| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:30 |
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VanessaE joined #minetest |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ jinxed me :( my SSD just crapped out. |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
managed to get my homedir off before it totally bit it, but not my serverlost a few days' worth of changes on my server, but that's about all |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
damn it, who put Enter right next to the G*d damn ' key!? |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 00:34 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, I have never figured out why phone keyboards put Backspace next to Send |
| 00:34 |
lordcirth |
It's far worse than ' |
| 00:34 |
Exio4 |
that too |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
G*d I'm spoiled. running from spinning rust versus SSD feels like stepping back into the 1980's or something |
| 00:35 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: SSD crapped out? what? |
| 00:35 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, so can you RMA the SSD, or is it too old |
| 00:35 |
Exio4 |
how much did it "keep"? |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: my primary drive, OCZ Vertex2 60GB solid state disk, just died. |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
lordcirth: it's probably still under warranty, or it would have been had I not opened it to take a peek - I wouldn't bother returning it anyone, I'll get a better brand. |
| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: what do you mean? |
| 00:36 |
Exio4 |
how much did you use it :P |
| 00:36 |
* NekoGloop |
noms VanessaE |
| 00:36 |
Exio4 |
do you know C btw? |
| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: oh, not nearly enough to kill it. electronics failure. and no, I don't know C well enough to do anything useful |
| 00:37 |
Exio4 |
aww, so i can't make your eyes bleed with http://dpaste.com/1337561/ |
| 00:37 |
Exio4 |
:( |
| 00:37 |
Exio4 |
hmmmm would like that code! |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
wouldn't matter if I could read it, I don't have my browser installed yet :) |
| 00:37 |
Exio4 |
wait, he is connected, sorry for the highlight then :P |
| 00:37 |
Exio4 |
you have wget, add plain/ to the url ;P |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 00:38 |
Peacock |
finished this mofo http://s12.postimg.org/od9o3si3x/screenshot_1692017442.jpg |
| 00:38 |
jin_xi |
by hand? |
| 00:38 |
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| 00:38 |
Peacock |
well, two rectangles by we, rest by hand |
| 00:38 |
sokomine |
vanessa: urgs. that's bad. hope you had a backup |
| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
sokomine: I managed to grab a current backup of my homedir just before the SSD died, but I couldn't grab the server's files in time. I have backup of those, too, but it's a few days old. |
| 00:40 |
sokomine |
oh :-( that's bad. hope not too much was built on it |
| 00:40 |
VanessaE |
everything that could be restored has been, I'm just running my "set up my system" script now. |
| 00:40 |
sokomine |
hm, most of what i did to my hotel will then be gone as well |
| 00:40 |
sokomine |
at least you do have a backup. that's something |
| 00:41 |
Peacock |
thinking of doing this one next http://s23.postimg.org/5wz5axad7/mvrdv_cloud_korea_skyscraper_architect_appartmen.jpg |
| 00:41 |
sokomine |
looks at least intresting. will be a nightmare to furnish :-) |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
ah, I have a slightly newer copy of the server's world in my ~/.minetest folder also, so only two days' worth of changes will be lost. |
| 00:42 |
Exio4 |
wait wait |
| 00:42 |
Exio4 |
how is the homedir related to the SSD |
| 00:42 |
Exio4 |
don't you have them in the /home? |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
I keep minetest's files in /home/minetest |
| 00:44 |
lordcirth |
Exio4, what if she has /home on the SSD? |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
e.g. the server |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
my own stuff is in /home/vanessa |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
both dirs are on the SSD |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
my backup script managed to capture all of /home/vanessa but only a few files from /home/minetest before the drive completely died. |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
but I have a copy of the server's world in /home/vanessa also, which I sometimes use for testing. |
| 00:45 |
Peacock |
this one's fugly lol https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_LbS5An41vu4/S5tTMhYUgeI/AAAAAAABWFA/9I1jbJAKJ4w/s512/DSC06056.JPG |
| 00:45 |
Exio4 |
lordcirth: i thought she had the /home in an HDD |
| 00:47 |
kaeza |
[20:55:53] <Exio4> here! my first C program! http://dpaste.com/1337561/ <-- lol |
| 00:48 |
Peacock |
go home skyscraper, you're drunk http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/jpgs/bosnia_herzegovina/sarajevo_skyscraper_ga110908_1.jpg |
| 00:48 |
jin_xi |
http://i.imgur.com/NZzpSHR.png |
| 00:48 |
Peacock |
lsystems |
| 00:48 |
kaeza |
Exio4, that use of macros is not creative enough |
| 00:48 |
Exio4 |
i know |
| 00:49 |
jin_xi |
pehjota: not really, my own turtle system in lua with vmanips. |
| 00:49 |
jin_xi |
oh sorry |
| 00:49 |
jin_xi |
i mean Peacock |
| 00:49 |
Tesseract |
void main(void){DO_MAIN} |
| 00:49 |
Peacock |
turtle + voxmynipples = mind blown |
| 00:49 |
Peacock |
i thought it was written in lua |
| 00:49 |
Peacock |
someone said it used the builtin lsystems |
| 00:50 |
jin_xi |
it used to |
| 00:50 |
kaeza |
Tesseract, 'void main()' ? D:< |
| 00:50 |
Peacock |
aahh ok |
| 00:50 |
jin_xi |
that was before there were vmanips |
| 00:51 |
Peacock |
hmm, i wonder |
| 00:51 |
kaeza |
Exio4, you forgot token pasting, and stringification |
| 00:51 |
Peacock |
lemme find the pic |
| 00:51 |
Exio4 |
i tried to keep the code clean, not emulate brainfuck |
| 00:51 |
Exio4 |
:> |
| 00:51 |
Peacock |
could a turtle do the various ring/clover shaped floors for this? http://s21.postimg.org/os8pttodz/Urban_Forest_Skyscraper_by_Mad_Architects_3.jpg |
| 00:52 |
jin_xi |
idk, there might be better ways |
| 00:53 |
jin_xi |
lines that close on themselves without being circles take some care |
| 00:53 |
Peacock |
yeah no that tower is a tricky mofo to do lol |
| 00:54 |
lordcirth |
I want to see someone design a Klein bottle building |
| 00:54 |
jin_xi |
but with voxmanipulations you should be able to in no time (given you do some coding) |
| 00:54 |
Peacock |
well voxnips just places nodes, it doesn't design |
| 00:54 |
Peacock |
speed aint a problem, its the variable geometry of each floor |
| 00:55 |
Tesseract |
kaeza: int main(int argc, char *argv[])? |
| 00:55 |
jin_xi |
maybe start with deforming circles for each floor |
| 00:56 |
Peacock |
looking closer, not sure if clovershaped or rounded triangles :/ |
| 00:56 |
kaeza |
Tesseract, or int main(void) |
| 00:59 |
Peacock |
daaaamn http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/05/09/1226350/974073-hashtag-skyscraper.jpg |
| 01:01 |
VanessaE |
brb |
| 01:01 |
lordcirth |
Peacock, that is a trippy building |
| 01:01 |
Peacock |
theyre planning on building it, they call it the hashtag building |
| 01:03 |
Peacock |
i already got a cheese grater :/ http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/03/o14-lead01.jpg |
| 01:06 |
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| 01:12 |
Peacock |
epic but not terribly functional http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8RtMJjmPSBc/UEPjh1sGFQI/AAAAAAAAEkM/EKheDdac6vQ/s400/DAM+Model++4.JPG |
| 01:17 |
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| 01:20 |
Peacock |
voxely? http://killscreendaily.com/media/img/articles/2012/05/Pixelated_Skyscraper.jpg |
| 01:28 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 01:29 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: neat |
| 01:29 |
Peacock |
im downloading all these images :P we'll see which ones i can actually do though lol |
| 01:30 |
Peacock |
hm, i googled "postmodern skyscraper" this is one of the results: http://lesleycarter.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/no-bull-lesley_1.jpg |
| 01:33 |
VanessaE |
I've heard of someone having a set of brass ones, but that's ridiculous |
| 01:33 |
Peacock |
you dont wanna know what google gave me when i searched for 'odd skyscraper' lol |
| 01:43 |
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| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
holy G*d in heaven MT is slow on a regular HDD |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
most of us are prolly used to it lol |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
I'm spoiled :P |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
ssd died already? |
| 02:04 |
Peacock |
even my 160g hdd lasted 7 yrs :/ |
| 02:04 |
Peacock |
coulda prolly squeezed another 2 yrs if i hadn't reinstalled linux so many times |
| 02:06 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 02:06 |
VanessaE |
hard failure |
| 02:06 |
VanessaE |
started to peter out, then just outright wouldn't register anymore |
| 02:06 |
VanessaE |
burnt out chip I assume |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
doesnt give me much hope for the netbook |
| 02:07 |
Peacock |
eventually ill get an external 5tb and keep all my shit on that, local disks for OS/apps only |
| 02:14 |
Peacock |
the Economist's paywall is so ridiculously easy to get around lol |
| 02:32 |
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| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
Anyone know much about Mushkin brand SSDs? |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
Tom's Hardware says they're pretty much the top end for the budget I have in mind |
| 02:45 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, they have pretty good ratings |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
(Mushkin Chronos Enhanced, e.g. this one: http://us-dc1-order.store.yahoo.net/3btech/cgi-bin/wg-order?ysco_key_event_id=&ysco_key_store_id=3btech&sectionId=ysco.cart&yscoc=rx3l3OEmAUc7vKOCpp_D.EdN4tIc0tWqsaFf6evkvBduFPcBZ7vm3DzAWkt.9Iw40iHhew_kpZDCkeiK0l5qKdwrEcBisLgYR30q93X.Fc2Z.SaZvJTESqppzk_ScR7uP2Oic9WnuYskDA--&yscos=3BAm_Q4mAUeZPfzg9UF26ZPHzBOSqnKY.F5Q6bCNfDoklTSpbiVQviy2QjGxJnaERAQ8eDzVarzF.oQt4vc5Yzfiub4MnGfqFZm9vrkeyu |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
XBlYDn3G_XJm_6YBtZluhU_8DWenINsmvJsw--&yscob=xvOkn3AmAUfsUd_6sKebYSUZDQQfPznAOYq1DfgKbun5KCSiYguCLSDAopHL1.urq1HZCFlH6jGN7zCvaM4BxO_vSIbSeT6OB5HEK6mYOMJvbLZlW3PGgRbT18zhbqD2aw--#__utma=1.1853320477.1375522679.1375522679.1376102611.2&__utmb=1.1.10.1376102611&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1376102611.2.2.utmcsr=pricewatch.com|utmccn=%28referral%29|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/search&__utmv=-&__utmk=12571316 ) |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
fuck |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
wrong link :P |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
http://3btech.net/much12sa6gso.html |
| 02:46 |
Menche |
that is quite a url |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
that one |
| 02:46 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, They make links stupid long nowadays |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
lordcirth: ain't that the truth :) |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
anyways |
| 02:47 |
VanessaE |
that *short* link points to the one I've got my eye on |
| 02:47 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, looks like a nice deal, if no/cheap shipping |
| 02:47 |
VanessaE |
free shipping |
| 02:47 |
VanessaE |
gotta love 3btech for that |
| 02:47 |
VanessaE |
good place to do business with |
| 02:48 |
VanessaE |
Sandforce controller though in the drive. Are those still buggy? |
| 02:49 |
lordcirth |
not if it's been reflashed |
| 02:49 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 02:53 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, assuming it was bought from Mushkin reasonably recently, it will have been reflashed. Or you can always do it yourself |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
and in fact I had to do that with my OCZ shortly after I got it |
| 02:55 |
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| 02:56 |
kaeza |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104912#p104912 :| |
| 02:56 |
kaeza |
just wut |
| 02:56 |
Menche |
i didn't understand that one |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
o.O |
| 02:57 |
kaeza |
as I see it, he wants it so the server runs minetest_game, but players download minimal |
| 02:57 |
Menche |
maybe he doesn't understand that games are entirely server-side |
| 02:57 |
kaeza |
or something like that |
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| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
lordcirth: hrm, thos 120GB model has gathered quite a few negative reviews :-/ |
| 03:06 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, where? |
| 03:06 |
VanessaE |
on newegg |
| 03:06 |
VanessaE |
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-226-236&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo |
| 03:06 |
VanessaE |
seems to be those drives average about 1 year before they die :-/ |
| 03:08 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, no, bc people are ~10 times more likely to post negative reviews than positive. 22% rated 1 egg, therefore 2-3% were DOA |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
hm |
| 03:08 |
lordcirth |
(or died soon after) |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
I'm also looking at this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171740&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Solid%20State%20Disk-_-SanDisk-_-20171740&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=3087823&SID= |
| 03:09 |
VanessaE |
Sandisk always used to be THE company to choose for solid state storage. |
| 03:09 |
VanessaE |
wonder if they're still good :) |
| 03:09 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, , Also looks nice, but has 20% 1 egg |
| 03:09 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 03:10 |
lordcirth |
sandisk is the goto for small flash storage. 2.5 SATA III SSDs are a different game, though related |
| 03:10 |
VanessaE |
true |
| 03:11 |
lordcirth |
The Intel 520s are probably the most reliable, and near fastest, but they are quite expensive |
| 03:11 |
DeepGaze |
whats the time? (broke clock) |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
11:11 pm EDT |
| 03:12 |
DeepGaze |
thx |
| 03:12 |
VanessaE |
hm, yeah the 520 is a bit up there, still less than the OCZ originally cost for the same capacity |
| 03:14 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, sure you need 120GB? |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
I only need around 80GB, but I figure I should go with whatever's best for my budget (about $100) |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
if that means more capacity or more speed, so bew it :) |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
be* |
| 03:16 |
DeepGaze |
mechanical drives are not slow though |
| 03:16 |
DeepGaze |
and they are cheapish |
| 03:16 |
VanessaE |
wanna bet? |
| 03:17 |
DeepGaze |
yeah i run 250 x2 and 180 x1 and my pc is fast |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
my PC takes 3x longer to boot, MT takes easily 5x longer to start up, everything is more sluggish, etc. with a HDD |
| 03:18 |
VanessaE |
if you ever used a SSD, you'd never wanna go back to HDD :) |
| 03:19 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, use e4rat :) |
| 03:19 |
DeepGaze |
i run a low buget system due to buy ing all my gear for school |
| 03:19 |
VanessaE |
wazzat? |
| 03:19 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, ext4 Reduced Access Time |
| 03:19 |
DeepGaze |
*buying, *budget |
| 03:19 |
Menche |
preloading? |
| 03:20 |
DeepGaze |
pre loading? |
| 03:20 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, basically, you run it's analyzer parallel with your boot, then it reorders all files that were read into 1 strip at the start of the HDD |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
interesting |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
sort of a file-level defrag util |
| 03:20 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, so you're entire boot I/O is continuous instead of random read |
| 03:21 |
lordcirth |
VanessaE, takes 2-5 sec each boot, depending how much stuff you preload, then all that is in RAM. And it flies :) |
| 03:21 |
DeepGaze |
what os's dose that apply to |
| 03:21 |
lordcirth |
Linux |
| 03:21 |
DeepGaze |
nice |
| 03:21 |
lordcirth |
DeepGaze, it's ext4 |
| 03:22 |
DeepGaze |
*non- linux pro* |
| 03:22 |
lordcirth |
It's especially awesome on laptop 5400 rpm drives, I hear. 1/3 boot time for some people |
| 03:29 |
DeepGaze |
@vanessaE quick Q your home decor mod can you disable signs? (keeps causing signs to rotate and erase) |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
"keeps causing signs to rotate and erase"? |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
I've never had that happen before |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
you sure someone isn't griefing with a screwdriver? |
| 03:30 |
DeepGaze |
no on personal map (the deep life) |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
you should be able to: rm signs_lib.lua; touch signs_lib.lua |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
that should be enough to disable them |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
they'll revert to regular wall signs and unknown nodes (yard signs aren't defined in minetest_game) |
| 03:32 |
DeepGaze |
thanks it helps but where do i insert the text |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
you don't insert that anywhere - you execute that from a command line while inside the homedecor folder. |
| 03:32 |
DeepGaze |
ok thankyou |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
you could do the equivalent with windows by loading the file into notepad, erasing the contents entirely, and re-saving the empty file |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
I have not tested this |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
so don't be surprised if that doesn't work :) |
| 03:33 |
DeepGaze |
ubuntu is the best so i am fine |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
ubuntu is good |
| 03:34 |
DeepGaze |
the only negitive is a lack of good games (i was so glad to find minetest) |
| 03:34 |
lordcirth |
DeepGaze, Ubuntu is nice, but I recommend Mint to most people |
| 03:35 |
lordcirth |
DeepGaze, no games? Check out Steam's Linux page. I just spent an hour today playing DOTA 2 |
| 03:35 |
NekoGloop |
He said no -good- games ;) |
| 03:35 |
DeepGaze |
i aviod steam due to no credit card :( |
| 03:36 |
deltib |
minetest is great, but at this point I'm more interested in it from a developer perspective, rather than a gamer |
| 03:36 |
lordcirth |
DeepGaze, DOTA 2 is f2p. Steam has some good f2p games |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
DeepGaze: get a pre-paid debit card :) |
| 03:36 |
NekoGloop |
Or steam gift cards |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
exactly |
| 03:36 |
deltib |
isn't there a total of like, 3 f2p games on steam for linux? |
| 03:36 |
DeepGaze |
i can't i am 15 and my parents say no |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
you can probably buy those at walmart now :) |
| 03:37 |
NekoGloop |
Speaking of Steam, I have two "Spammer" Garry's Mod trading cards xD |
| 03:37 |
deltib |
so, the issues is that you can't get buy linux games a brick and mortar stores? |
| 03:37 |
lordcirth |
deltib, correct, 3 |
| 03:38 |
lordcirth |
deltib, but lots are $1-$3, so as long as you can send them money somehow, cost shouldn't be a problem |
| 03:38 |
deltib |
well, there's a few free games around that aren't too bad, I think there's this open source minecraft clone if that's up your ally |
| 03:38 |
NekoGloop |
You get TF2 |
| 03:38 |
NekoGloop |
:P |
| 03:39 |
lordcirth |
DeepGaze, also there are lots of ppl who will gift you Steam games in exchange for Bitcoin. I bought 2 games that way myself |
| 03:39 |
deltib |
there's TA Spring if you're into oldschool RTS games |
| 03:40 |
NekoGloop |
http://youtu.be/HDAFivGsKX4 |
| 03:40 |
NekoGloop |
:3 |
| 03:40 |
deltib |
you'd have to GET some bitcoin first |
| 03:40 |
DeepGaze |
ok i know a few non-steam goodies like red-eclipse |
| 03:40 |
DeepGaze |
fps |
| 03:40 |
lordcirth |
deltib, ya Balanced Annihilation is great. Also Zero-K but it's really hard |
| 03:40 |
lordcirth |
DeepGaze, deltib also Warzone2100 - awesome RTS |
| 03:41 |
deltib |
if only I weren't too afraid of being mocked for sucking to play online |
| 03:41 |
lordcirth |
NekoGloop, TF2 is awesome too |
| 03:41 |
* NekoGloop |
isn't on linux so this conversation is irrelevant |
| 03:41 |
deltib |
tried to get warzone2100 on desura, but the whole thing seemed fairly broken |
| 03:41 |
DeepGaze |
did you know pyro is a gay psycho |
| 03:41 |
DeepGaze |
not lying |
| 03:42 |
NekoGloop |
Yep. |
| 03:42 |
DeepGaze |
game theroy |
| 03:42 |
deltib |
what? so now liking ponies makes you gay? |
| 03:42 |
DeepGaze |
mlp is awseome so no |
| 03:42 |
NekoGloop |
deltib, hold a sec. |
| 03:42 |
NekoGloop |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA_24zLyKdI |
| 03:43 |
lordcirth |
deltib, why on desura? Just install it normally. ( = with package manager, if on Linux) |
| 03:44 |
DeepGaze |
am i the ony one who wants Field of fire (vghs) |
| 03:45 |
DeepGaze |
*only |
| 03:45 |
deltib |
can't remember, might have been when I was using a debian distro on which nothing ever seem to work quite right, and was hoping desura would circumvent the issues |
| 03:46 |
lordcirth |
deltib, must have been a very modified version of debian if it didn't work right :P |
| 03:46 |
deltib |
nope |
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| 03:47 |
meepport |
hello |
| 03:47 |
meepport |
i will not troll |
| 03:47 |
DeepGaze |
you will |
| 03:47 |
meepport |
no |
| 03:48 |
DeepGaze |
then why say |
| 03:48 |
meepport |
idk |
| 03:49 |
lordcirth |
deltib, there's a new stable version of warzone since then, probably. 3.7 - big changes. You should check it out again |
| 03:49 |
lordcirth |
Well that was a brief, and confusing, visit |
| 03:49 |
DeepGaze |
anyone know about 4.8? |
| 03:49 |
deltib |
not sure if I can afford to install anything from packages at the moment |
| 03:49 |
lordcirth |
deltib, afford? |
| 03:50 |
deltib |
harddrive space wise |
| 03:50 |
lordcirth |
deltib, 80 MB |
| 03:51 |
lordcirth |
although it might need deps |
| 03:52 |
DeepGaze |
bye for now |
| 03:53 |
deltib |
I'm using a fairly new install on the only partition I had free at the time a gigantic 7 gigs, and I've nearly filled it up already |
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deltib |
now if I could install it on my home partition |
| 03:54 |
lordcirth |
deltib, 7 is a bit small, yeah. I usually partition 20-60 GB for the OS |
| 03:55 |
lordcirth |
deltib, well, you can always download the latest source, and run it portable from a folder in ~/. Then you could get the latest dev version too :) |
| 03:55 |
deltib |
the 7 gig one was from a long time ago, hadn't used it, and wanted to try out linux mint, now I can't be arsed trying to clear up a bigger partition for it |
| 03:56 |
deltib |
that's what I do with minetest |
| 03:56 |
lordcirth |
deltib, Always remember, the first Linux kernel booted from a 3MB HDD :) |
| 03:57 |
deltib |
it depresses me that as our hardware get's more and more powerful we managed to make our software run just as poorly and leave just as few resources free |
| 03:58 |
lordcirth |
deltib, "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster" |
| 03:58 |
lordcirth |
deltib, but we do accomplish a lot more. The most efficient code could never have played a movie on that first machine. |
| 03:59 |
deltib |
true, if there's one group of developers I believe really know how to write efficient code, it's the guys writing media codecs |
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deltib |
I should add "open source media codecs" to that |
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deltib |
I've only ever had bad experiences with commercial media software |
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lordcirth |
deltib, Xiph is working on a new video codec |
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deltib |
think I might have heard of that |
| 04:04 |
Peacock |
ugh, the bar downstairs in playing salsa music |
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* Peacock |
retches |
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lordcirth |
Uses some new ideas, some formerly academic ideas. Should be cool |
| 04:05 |
lordcirth |
Anyway, cya |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
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harrison |
but there is code now that not only would not have been possible to run on the hardware that used to exist |
| 04:19 |
harrison |
but also did not exist as code |
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harrison |
even in someone's imagination |
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VanessaE |
there. |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
show that stupid daemon who's boss. |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
what FUCKING MORON decided that we should always default to nfs4? |
| 04:21 |
harrison |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwAuhfz6vU |
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VanessaE |
sigh. I hate computers. |
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NekoGloop |
VanessaE, Wheatley did. |
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NekoGloop |
[/portal2reference] |
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NekoGloop |
In other news: Portal 2 is soooooo much longer than Portal 1 xD |
| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 05:01 |
NekoGloop |
I spent all day playing through both games in one session |
| 05:02 |
NekoGloop |
I think it took me... 4 or 5 times as long to beat Portal 2 xD |
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sfan5 |
!op |
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|
Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Today: Bring-your-kitten-to-work-day! |
| 07:36 |
sfan5 |
!deop |
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* VanessaE |
looks at sfan5... |
| 07:36 |
* sfan5 |
looks at VanessaE... |
| 07:37 |
VanessaE |
"bring your kitten to work day" ? |
| 07:37 |
sfan5 |
yeah |
| 07:37 |
sfan5 |
well.... |
| 07:37 |
sfan5 |
!op |
| 07:37 |
|
Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Today: Bring-your-kitten-to-#minetest-day! |
| 07:37 |
sfan5 |
!deop |
| 07:38 |
VanessaE |
trying to beat JamesTait to the punch? ;) |
| 07:38 |
sfan5 |
eh, no |
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* sfan5 |
is now afk: breakfast |
| 07:39 |
VanessaE |
save me a donut :P |
| 07:39 |
sfan5 |
I don't have donuts for breakfast ;) |
| 07:39 |
VanessaE |
ok a waffle then :P |
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sfan5 |
I don't have waffles for breakfast |
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* sfan5 |
ate toast and cheese |
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VanessaE |
mmmm |
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xiong |
So... if I enter underground, exploring for the first time... the world does not exist until I see it, or at any rate, get close to it. |
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xiong |
So I wonder: Is it more likely that if I explore up that my lava lakes will have solid bottoms? |
| 09:01 |
xiong |
My theory being, if I explore at some level, say, -5000; I may find it solid or full of lava source but it can't be full of a messy lavafall from a lava lake above... if I have not yet seen that level above. It hasn't been created yet. |
| 09:02 |
xiong |
On the contradictory side, I suppose I can explore at -5000 and find it cold, go up to -4980 and see/create a lava lake above; and when I return to -5000, find it now full of a messy lavafall. |
| 09:02 |
xiong |
What's the truth? |
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xiong |
Because I tell you, five klicks down, I'm getting tired of lava lakes with rotten bottoms. |
| 09:08 |
* sfan5 |
is reading what was just said... |
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sfan5 |
xiong: the area gets generated when you are near |
| 09:11 |
sfan5 |
in chunks(called MapBlocks) of 16x16x16 |
| 09:12 |
xiong |
Yes. So am I more likely to get a rotten bottom if I explore up or down? |
| 09:16 |
sfan5 |
up |
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hoodedice |
I'm on Xubuntu atm |
| 09:37 |
hoodedice |
Ah, the enjoyment of a 30 second boot |
| 09:41 |
hoodedice |
Anyone? |
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* sfan5 |
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| 09:43 |
hoodedice |
Linus Torvalds' latest : Headache: looking at intel CPU numbers. |
| 09:43 |
hoodedice |
https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/7Dobu48Sxcp |
| 09:43 |
hoodedice |
!title |
| 09:43 |
MinetestBot |
hoodedice: Linus Torvalds - Google+ - Headache: looking at intel CPU numbers. Christ. How can a… |
| 09:48 |
hoodedice |
Why don't we have octa core processors? |
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thexyz |
okay, wallpapers topic was not a good idea |
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xiong |
Do you make that statement empirically, sfan5, or do you generate it with a theory? |
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sfan5 |
xiong: empirically |
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Jordach |
hey sfan |
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sfan5 |
hi |
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Jordach |
fuck sakes hexchat: it keeps dying for no good reason |
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* Jordach |
now comes on the server |
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xiong |
Cool. Maybe I'll stop digging up, then. |
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Jordach |
xiong, not on yours |
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xiong |
Earlier, Jordach, sfan5 and I were talking about rotten bottoms to lava lakes. You know, a solid bottom and you can solidify it quickly, seal it off even if you don't want to work it, and move on. Rotten bottom, you got messy lavafalls tumbling down, maybe another twenty meters, maybe worse. |
| 11:11 |
xiong |
If this was reality, one might just shrug that off and say some bottoms are solid, some rotten. But I was wondering if it mattered in which order you explored, because that determines the order of chunk generation. |
| 11:14 |
xiong |
This concerns me since I set up camp at -5000. Sometimes it seems as if it's nearly all lava down here. |
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Jordach |
xiong, bring water |
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xiong |
Ho ho. I have an entire engineering practice on quenching lava. |
| 11:15 |
xiong |
Our server is a bit difficult because buckets are banned; so I have to tote ice around and once placed, can't be taken up again. |
| 11:16 |
Jordach |
Ice is stackable: Buckets arent. |
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xiong |
Also, I worry about the nightmare if multiple sources combine to generate more water sources. One could have a runaway and a huge flooded cavern with no way to bail it out. |
| 11:16 |
xiong |
So, controlled quenching. |
| 11:17 |
xiong |
The thing about a bucket, though, is you can place the source, let it do its stuff, and move it one or ten meters across. |
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xiong |
I'm not complaining; ice is cheap and we don't have noobs running around pouring lava on our builds. |
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Jordach |
hey PilzAdam |
| 11:19 |
PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 11:19 |
Exio4 |
PonyAdam! |
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* sfan5 |
puts a kitten on Exio4's head |
| 11:21 |
Calinou |
-_- |
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sfan5 |
wait wrong button |
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* sfan5 |
puts Rainbow Dash on Exio4's head |
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* Calinou |
puts a ban on his head |
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jin_xi |
hello everybody! |
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* Jordach |
throws a kitten at Exio4 |
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PilzAdam |
Princess Exio4! |
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Exio4 |
sfan5: nuu |
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* Exio4 |
throws the kitten back at Jordach |
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* Jordach |
throws a kitten at Exio4 |
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Exio4 |
PilzAdam: Rainbow Adam :> |
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* sfan5 |
throws a kitten at PilzAdam |
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* PilzAdam |
places his kittine on the channel sofa |
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PilzAdam |
-e |
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sfan5 |
kitten* |
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PilzAdam |
^ |
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PilzAdam |
too early, cant type |
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sfan5 |
its 13:23 |
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Jordach |
EARLY!?!?! |
| 11:23 |
Jordach |
yeah right |
| 11:24 |
Jordach |
i'm less lazy than PilzAdam |
| 11:24 |
* sfan5 |
buys a channel television and activates it |
| 11:24 |
* Jordach |
is impossible to get out of bed |
| 11:24 |
Jordach |
(that's because memory foam bitches) |
| 11:24 |
Exio4 |
8:24AM here |
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Peacock |
<Jordach> i'm less lazy than PilzAdam -- doesn't PA go to school? |
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* PilzAdam |
gives Evergreen a virtual cookie |
| 11:28 |
Evergreen |
Lol, thanks |
| 11:28 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, not anymore, I finished school some months ago |
| 11:29 |
Peacock |
HS/college/uni? |
| 11:29 |
Peacock |
(or whatever their equivalents) :P |
| 11:30 |
Exio4 |
uni! |
| 11:30 |
PilzAdam |
Ill go to uni in October |
| 11:31 |
Peacock |
not bad, a heckuvalot more secure too |
| 11:31 |
Peacock |
so long as its not liberal arts XD |
| 11:32 |
Peacock |
'cuz starbucks will still hire people w/o a liberal arts degree XD |
| 11:33 |
Peacock |
my sister went into chem engineering, she had a job offer 1 yr before finishing |
| 11:36 |
Peacock |
i would have done computers but then dotcom bubble burst and the pay's not nearly as good now |
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Calinou |
it usually is good enough |
| 11:55 |
Calinou |
and it depends where you work |
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Calinou |
(a lot) |
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Peacock |
i sure as shit didn't want to be a sysadmin or network admin lol |
| 11:56 |
Peacock |
just setting up network printers at UPS stores was a pain in the arse lol |
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Jordach |
Calinou, LogoSkyBlock server now |
| 12:04 |
Calinou |
meh, no |
| 12:07 |
Jordach |
/rainbow https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104958#p104958 |
| 12:07 |
Jordach |
Evergreen, ^ |
| 12:07 |
Evergreen |
Saw it already |
| 12:07 |
Evergreen |
:D |
| 12:07 |
Jordach |
brb - drawing a slice of cake in notepad++ |
| 12:10 |
Jordach |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104958#p104958 |
| 12:10 |
Jordach |
added cake |
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PilzAdam |
lol |
| 12:11 |
Jordach |
my skills in ascii art isnt as good as it used to be |
| 12:12 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, come down to the LogoSkyBlock, you might be interested :P |
| 12:12 |
PilzAdam |
I ragequited yesterday |
| 12:13 |
PilzAdam |
I lost a nyancat, several cobble stacks and full diamond gear due to a bug with the meta in bones |
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Jordach |
\o/ |
| 12:19 |
Jordach |
i also finished the Sam II statue |
| 12:21 |
Evergreen |
The Sam II statue looks awesome! |
| 12:22 |
Evergreen |
Also, the bones remind me that I need to make texture for them in minetest-faithful |
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Jordach |
btw, sfan5: MinetestBot added to the castle render |
| 12:33 |
sfan5 |
yey |
| 12:33 |
Jordach |
if you want a custom pose: ask me |
| 12:34 |
Jordach |
the castle model isnt a exact replica of the in-game one (i estimated the far off tower and keep) |
| 12:36 |
Jordach |
Calinou, you want to use the yellow shirted Sam in the castle rendewr |
| 12:36 |
Jordach |
-w |
| 12:37 |
Calinou |
yes? |
| 12:37 |
Jordach |
Calinou, i'm making a render of PilzAdam's castle with all of use LogoSkyBlock players |
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sfan5 |
PilzAdam: well.. then you could try to fix the bug with meta in bones |
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Jordach |
NOOO NOOO |
| 12:40 |
Jordach |
dont crash blender!! |
| 12:41 |
Jordach |
it crashed |
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* Jordach |
forgot to save |
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Evergreen |
Ragequit? |
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Jordach |
blender died on me |
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Jordach |
:( |
| 12:42 |
* PenguinDad |
thinks that LogoSkyBlock brings everything to crash. |
| 12:42 |
Evergreen |
PilzAdam: it isn't that hard to get back diamonds, and you have enough nyancats as it is |
| 12:42 |
Evergreen |
Also, don't bring stuff like that with you |
| 12:42 |
Evergreen |
just bring cobble + stone pick |
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Peacock |
parts of the map flickering in and out is driving me nuts lol any settings i can change? |
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sdzen |
hmmm my kitten left quite abit of hair on my keyboard..... |
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Peacock |
better than poop in a shoe :p |
| 13:57 |
harrison |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwAuhfz6vU |
| 13:57 |
Evergreen |
I just pull requested something in the minetest_game. I made it so nyan cat rainbows finally take advantage of facedir. :P |
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pitriss |
Please is there anybody who have problem with technic sonic scredriver? it is crashing clients when used... |
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iqualfragile |
pitriss: are you aware that it does not do wood? |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Dont crash if facedir > 23 56b9377c1c 2013-08-10T07:26:02-07:00 http://git.io/uezz0w |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Dont download modstore info if its isnt needed 0d60bc55e4 2013-08-10T04:35:38-07:00 http://git.io/KNDQiA |
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pitriss |
iqualfragile: so when i use it on wood then client will crash? |
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lordcirth |
iqualfragile, does it actually not do wood, or you just using the dr who joke? |
| 14:34 |
pitriss |
iqualfragile: i just used sonic screwdriver on wooden trunk stair and my client crashed.. |
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Peacock |
lol more trouble in Northern Ireland, seems the english are as much a nuisance there as they are in Quebec XD |
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Prestotron562_ |
sfan5 I need you |
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Peacock |
bow chika bow wow :P |
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Prestotron562_ |
Anybody know how to compile on Windows? |
| 15:30 |
Peacock |
:S i hear msvc is oodles of fun |
| 15:33 |
Prestotron562_ |
... |
| 15:35 |
Peacock |
http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest#Compiling_on_Windows |
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Niften_ |
Heyo. |
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Niften_ |
sfan5 : Thanks for everything ^^ |
| 15:37 |
sfan5 |
no problem |
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Ikr Niften |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: wait, are you sure moddb is production ready? |
| 15:48 |
thexyz |
how about all those django error emails? |
| 15:48 |
iqualfragile |
django error emails? |
| 15:48 |
iqualfragile |
you never tolt me anything about django error emails |
| 15:48 |
iqualfragile |
and: not production ready but beta |
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Peacock |
lol griefer said "it wasn't me, my daughter was on!" |
| 16:00 |
Peacock |
i somehow doubt an adult would write their username in all caps |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all |
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FreeFull |
pitriss: The wood thing was a reference to a TV show |
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pitriss |
FreeFull: ah.. |
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Peacock |
Everyone Loves Wood (the spinoff to Everyone Loves Raymond) :p |
| 16:08 |
iqualfragile |
Peacock: well, Doctor Who actualy |
| 16:09 |
Peacock |
ugh, a season and a half of that and i was already sick of the daleks |
| 16:09 |
Peacock |
the ugliest zambonis ever lol |
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| 16:10 |
Peacock |
and i thought star trek relied too much on deus ex machina |
| 16:12 |
Peacock |
i thought doctor who's depiction of americans comical at least, same cramped flats as london, everyone wearing red,white blue and junk food wrappers everywhere lol |
| 16:12 |
Peacock |
totally stereotypical |
| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
Whenever I try to open hex chat, it just closes. |
| 16:16 |
PenguinDad |
rubenwardy: use WeeChat instead :P |
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| 16:20 |
rubenwardy |
Works now! |
| 16:21 |
Peacock |
xchat likes to random disconnect me lol |
| 16:22 |
Peacock |
ill just assume its a feature XD |
| 16:22 |
PenguinDad |
That's why I use WeeChat :P |
| 16:22 |
Peacock |
before xchat the last time i used an irc client was mirc in the 90s lol |
| 16:23 |
rubenwardy |
At least the IRC client war is not as bad as the OS war |
| 16:23 |
Peacock |
for there to be an irc client war there would have to be more than just geeks using it lol |
| 16:23 |
PilzAdam |
webchat in the client war is like windows in the OS war |
| 16:24 |
Peacock |
your saying webchat has market dominance? |
| 16:24 |
PilzAdam |
no, I say everyone makes fun of it |
| 16:24 |
Peacock |
well theres no shortage of people to make fun of linux and macos too lol |
| 16:25 |
Peacock |
ever read linuxhaters' blog? lol |
| 16:25 |
Peacock |
or the numerous apple memes lol |
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| 16:35 |
FreeFull |
I use irssi |
| 16:36 |
iqualfragile |
quasses is quite stable |
| 16:36 |
iqualfragile |
quassel |
| 16:36 |
PenguinDad |
Never tried irssi but I'm satisfied WeeChat |
| 16:37 |
FreeFull |
I tried weechat but I wasn't able to make it sufficiently irssi-like |
| 16:39 |
* Tesseract |
has used irssi, uses quassel currenly. |
| 16:39 |
thexyz |
TIL worldedit is AGPL |
| 16:39 |
thexyz |
shiiit |
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| 16:40 |
Peacock |
TIL? |
| 16:40 |
Peacock |
not short for 'until'? |
| 16:40 |
Tesseract |
Today I Learned. |
| 16:40 |
thexyz |
yeah |
| 16:40 |
Peacock |
aaah |
| 16:41 |
Tesseract |
thexyz: You should add that to the logs if you can. |
| 16:41 |
PenguinDad |
This is Life |
| 16:41 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: whats so bad about AGPL? |
| 16:42 |
Peacock |
license war! :P |
| 16:43 |
lordcirth |
sfan5, maybe he was running a custom version on his server? He'd technically be in violation if he didn't publish the code |
| 16:43 |
Tesseract |
sfan5: More kittens already? (/topic) |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
Tesseract: yes |
| 16:43 |
Peacock |
since when are people obliged to publish the mods they run on their servers? |
| 16:43 |
iqualfragile |
agpl is quite a good idea for mods running on a server |
| 16:44 |
iqualfragile |
since mods are using agpl |
| 16:44 |
Peacock |
well good luck enforcing that :p |
| 16:44 |
iqualfragile |
lordcirth: no, thats not true: he would just be violating it if he would not publish it upon request |
| 16:44 |
Tesseract |
I run quite a few custom/heavily modified unpublished mods on my server. |
| 16:44 |
sfan5 |
iqualfragile: are you a lawyer? ;) |
| 16:45 |
iqualfragile |
no, but i can read |
| 16:45 |
iqualfragile |
no offense |
| 16:45 |
* sfan5 |
can read too |
| 16:45 |
Peacock |
so you're gonna go around forcing people to publish mods? lol nazi much |
| 16:45 |
Tesseract |
I did modify WE, but nobody asked for it. :-) (Just /pos1/2 [x y z|x,y,z]) |
| 16:46 |
iqualfragile |
Peacock: hey, i feel offended by your statement |
| 16:46 |
thexyz |
Tesseract: fortunately, I don't |
| 16:46 |
thexyz |
and I probably won't now |
| 16:46 |
Peacock |
sorry, true its mostly commies who force you to give up things |
| 16:47 |
iqualfragile |
thats the good part about beenig german: you can be upset about nazi jokes |
| 16:47 |
Peacock |
when theyre directed at germans, my comments are directed at people who would force others to publish shit, regardless where they come from |
| 16:48 |
thexyz |
Tesseract: I wonder if you're now obliged to publish all your mods sources |
| 16:48 |
thexyz |
IANAL |
| 16:48 |
Peacock |
though seriously, which student/welfare recipient is going to hire a lawyer and enforce that? |
| 16:49 |
* sfan5 |
not |
| 16:49 |
iqualfragile |
no need to hire a lawyer |
| 16:49 |
iqualfragile |
you can just tell the fsf |
| 16:49 |
Tesseract |
Nope, although I don't mind it if others see my code... |
| 16:49 |
Peacock |
good luck, enjoy your time with the anal brigade lol |
| 16:49 |
iqualfragile |
or hire a lawyer and get back your money when you win |
| 16:50 |
iqualfragile |
Tesseract: you are not required to publish all your sources, just the agpl-licensed ones on request |
| 16:50 |
Peacock |
last person who tried to hire a lawyer on me won and still lost lol |
| 16:50 |
sfan5 |
lawl, a directory has a size of 133,7 KB |
| 16:51 |
Tesseract |
iqualfragile: I don't have the WE modification any more, so that means I have nothing. |
| 16:52 |
lordcirth |
sfan5, the mese pick had 1337 uses, last I checked |
| 16:52 |
Peacock |
though the minute you get litigants involved with MT, kiss your modding community goodbye lol |
| 16:53 |
Peacock |
lesson for everyone: rename all your mods to totally obscene things :p |
| 16:54 |
Peacock |
aside, if youre ticked off that people dont publish their mods or mod-modifications, look inward for the cause :p |
| 16:55 |
Peacock |
cuz most people would rather delete what they have than put up with those antics lol |
| 16:57 |
iqualfragile |
as most mods are wtfpl anyways there is no problem |
| 16:57 |
Peacock |
so whats the point in telling people theyre obliged to do anything? haven't you guys lost enough people? |
| 16:58 |
Peacock |
if someone wants to publish a mod derived from something else and they screw with the license, thats one thing, and you'd be right |
| 16:58 |
Peacock |
but what people run on their servers and whether they share it or not, is none of your bloody business lol |
| 16:59 |
iqualfragile |
it is if the mod is agpl licensed |
| 16:59 |
Peacock |
you dont host the servers |
| 16:59 |
Peacock |
theyre private |
| 17:00 |
Peacock |
the fact that they're anounced to an external list doesn't change that |
| 17:00 |
Peacock |
i could just as well share an adress with select people |
| 17:00 |
iqualfragile |
it does not matter |
| 17:01 |
iqualfragile |
as long as anybody can join the server is public |
| 17:01 |
Peacock |
its hosted on people's computers, on their connections, and they can boot you any time |
| 17:01 |
iqualfragile |
does not matter |
| 17:02 |
Peacock |
i dont think you have a leg to stand on if you think you can force the admin to publish whats on their hard drives |
| 17:02 |
Peacock |
and they'd prolly delete long before "you won" if the FSF didn't laugh at you from the start |
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lordcirth |
Peacock, the AGPL states that if you run derivative works accessible to the public over a network, you must publish the code. |
| 17:03 |
lordcirth |
It's designed to prevent the software-as-a-service loophole to normal FOSS licenses |
| 17:03 |
Peacock |
so you'd go to the FSF, with the end result being another server killed, another member quit, and you'd still probably wouldn't get the source? |
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| 17:04 |
Calinou |
le drama |
| 17:04 |
Peacock |
i think its been proven that most people given the choice will wreck their work rather than give in to freetards lol |
| 17:04 |
* Calinou |
puts pyrovision goggles and watches. |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
Peacock: tip of the day: don't call people "retards". ever. |
| 17:04 |
Peacock |
tell that to pilzadam:p |
| 17:04 |
lordcirth |
Peacock, "freetards" are among the reason minetest exists |
| 17:05 |
sdzen |
I wouldn't call c55 a freetard |
| 17:05 |
Peacock |
yeah but i doubt celeron is as extreme as some of you guys |
| 17:06 |
lordcirth |
Peacock, but he realized that making it FOSS was the right thing to do. |
| 17:06 |
Peacock |
thank god i only derive wtfpl, but id love to see you guys make a case out of some admin running modified agpl and then wonder "why are we losing people" lol |
| 17:07 |
sdzen |
http://www.8dromeda.net/ternadim.html |
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thexyz |
Peacock: please read AGPL description |
| 17:07 |
Peacock |
Tesseract you gonna publish, or delete? |
| 17:07 |
sdzen |
"Once finished to version 1, Ternadim will be sold as pay-what-you-want. You will get an online key if you pay $1 or more." |
| 17:07 |
lordcirth |
Peacock, if the admin was reasonable he'd just release the source when it was pointed out. I wouldn't go to court unless his service was harmful. |
| 17:08 |
sdzen |
not a full fledged freetard |
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| 17:08 |
Peacock |
if people don't publish mods its because you people are anal about everything |
| 17:08 |
Peacock |
if you have to resort to the FSF it kinda proves it |
| 17:08 |
iqualfragile |
Peacock: please calm down a bit |
| 17:09 |
thexyz |
no one said they're going to "resort to the FSF" |
| 17:09 |
iqualfragile |
no need to insult people |
| 17:09 |
Peacock |
truth hurts |
| 17:09 |
iqualfragile |
i just told you what the license states |
| 17:09 |
lordcirth |
Peacock, nobody's being anal about anything, except you. You're the one who turned a request for source code into an argument about going to court. |
| 17:09 |
Peacock |
i didn't bring out license obligations |
| 17:09 |
Peacock |
that kinda implies lawyers and courts no? |
| 17:10 |
thexyz |
there also was no request for source code |
| 17:11 |
Peacock |
everytime a group of people drive someone nuts, they trash all their work, and you still don't get it lol |
| 17:11 |
Tesseract |
Peacock: Hmmm? I deleted the WE modification, it isn't necesary anymore. |
| 17:11 |
Peacock |
see ^ |
| 17:12 |
Peacock |
i tried publishing mods but you guys make it no fun at all, i'd rather run a server for those reasons lol |
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| 17:12 |
Peacock |
at least with a server, i get people using instead of deriving and deriding |
| 17:12 |
Tesseract |
Peacock: I didn't want to keep it up to date with git and /fixedpos was added. (Trying to change that to /pos1..) |
| 17:12 |
iqualfragile |
Peacock: i realy have no idea what your problem is |
| 17:13 |
pitriss |
VanessaE: Please is possible to add locked doors in homedecor mod? |
| 17:14 |
Peacock |
iqualfragile what riles me up is this ideology that you can force or trick people into being more open |
| 17:14 |
iqualfragile |
i do not see anybody forcing anybody to do anything |
| 17:14 |
Peacock |
argue to death then |
| 17:14 |
iqualfragile |
you are free to just ignore any software which was a license you dont like |
| 17:15 |
iqualfragile |
s/was/has/ |
| 17:15 |
Peacock |
even the FSF doesn't have a clear answer on the consequences of relicensing GPL works |
| 17:16 |
Peacock |
its never been tested |
| 17:16 |
nore_ |
about licenses, did you know that the guys from crevis distribute a modified minetest withiut the source? |
| 17:16 |
Peacock |
so telling people their obliged to do anything as per license conditions is abit misleading |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
nore_: they didn't modify the source |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
the crevis guys asked us how to compile... |
| 17:16 |
nore_ |
didn't they? |
| 17:17 |
PilzAdam |
nore_, we checked the hash of the .exe |
| 17:17 |
nore_ |
ok |
| 17:17 |
PenguinDad |
PilzAdam: SHA512? |
| 17:17 |
nore_ |
but is there a link on their website? |
| 17:17 |
PilzAdam |
md5sum AFAIK |
| 17:18 |
PenguinDad |
I only trust SHA512 |
| 17:18 |
PilzAdam |
nore_, chill, the people of that "company" are 13 and 14 years old and dont really know what they do |
| 17:18 |
nore_ |
and are the licenses of the mods they put ok fo |
| 17:18 |
nore_ |
r it? |
| 17:18 |
PilzAdam |
PenguinDad, you want to continue the license war with a hash algorithm war? :-p |
| 17:19 |
nore_ |
PilzAdam, that is indeed a bit young |
| 17:19 |
PenguinDad |
nope :P |
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PilzAdam |
the funny thing is that they blame each other |
| 17:19 |
PilzAdam |
they originally havent planned to use the Minetest engine at all |
| 17:19 |
Peacock |
i thought they were the same person |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
nore_: age has nothing to do with maturity |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
or technical knowledge |
| 17:19 |
iqualfragile |
Calinou: it has |
| 17:19 |
iqualfragile |
not directly |
| 17:20 |
PenguinDad |
Peacock: i thought that too |
| 17:20 |
iqualfragile |
but there cant be a 3 year old having my techical knowledge |
| 17:20 |
Peacock |
everytime one of them screws up they blame the other, sure sounds like double personas lol |
| 17:20 |
Calinou |
to an extent |
| 17:20 |
Peacock |
not that that's new here |
| 17:20 |
iqualfragile |
PenguinDad: in this case the hashing algorythm does not realy matter |
| 17:21 |
nore_ |
Calinou, I already programmed when I was that age, but not that much |
| 17:21 |
PenguinDad |
s/algorythm/algorithm |
| 17:21 |
PenguinDad |
iqualfragile: i know :P |
| 17:21 |
sfan5 |
lets use SHA8192 instead of SHA512 |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
SHA16777216 |
| 17:23 |
iqualfragile |
sfan5: there is no such thing |
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| 17:23 |
PenguinDad |
iqualfragile: at the moment not but ... |
| 17:23 |
sfan5 |
iqualfragile: wasn't it obvious it was a joke |
| 17:24 |
iqualfragile |
i know that it was a joke |
| 17:25 |
iqualfragile |
i mean: everybody knows that sha will be broken in a few years so i strongly doubt that there will be an sha8192 |
| 17:26 |
sfan5 |
what 'bout sha3? |
| 17:31 |
Peacock |
sha = pauley shore lol |
| 17:47 |
iqualfragile |
damn, i lost the game |
| 17:47 |
Peacock |
defeat or lost lost? |
| 17:48 |
iqualfragile |
lost lost |
| 17:48 |
Peacock |
how did that happen? (accidental delete?) |
| 17:48 |
iqualfragile |
there is not realy a way to defeat |
| 17:48 |
Peacock |
ahh okay defeat lost lol |
| 17:48 |
iqualfragile |
oh… yes, sorry |
| 17:48 |
iqualfragile |
english skills^^ |
| 17:49 |
Peacock |
its a second lang to most of us lol |
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| 17:50 |
* Kacey |
just happened to bring a kitten today |
| 17:50 |
Peacock |
im sure nekogloop could use a few more |
| 17:50 |
NekoGloop |
yay |
| 17:51 |
Peacock |
must be up to his ears in cat litter tho |
| 17:51 |
iqualfragile |
fuck, you highlighted him |
| 17:51 |
NekoGloop |
Bring-your-kitten-to-#minetest-day? |
| 17:51 |
Kacey |
but i fixed the kitten generator a while back... ooh ya silent evil... nvm |
| 17:51 |
NekoGloop |
But, I'm always here? |
| 17:53 |
Kacey |
"Page 404 Not Found" I wasn't even looking for page 404. |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
hi all |
| 17:54 |
sfan5 |
hi |
| 17:54 |
iqualfragile |
hi |
| 17:54 |
PenguinDad |
hello vanessa |
| 17:54 |
VanessaE |
pitriss: if you wanna make a pull request for it, sure, but we already have locked steel doors |
| 17:56 |
sfan5 |
http://news.techeye.net/security/apple-patents-tech-to-let-cops-switch-off-iphone-video-camera-and-wi-fi |
| 17:56 |
sfan5 |
pff! I write my own phone os then |
| 17:57 |
Kacey |
My version of computer troubleshooting is to threaten it verbally until it works correctly. |
| 17:57 |
* Kacey |
thinks that a clean house is a sign of no Internet connection |
| 17:58 |
Peacock |
too many embarassing cop videos in N.A. |
| 17:59 |
Peacock |
though increasingly people in canada are buying dashcams to beat bogus tickets, harder to turn those off |
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| 18:03 |
webdesigner97 |
hi |
| 18:03 |
webdesigner97 |
I finally managed to bring my StreetsMod to GitHub :D |
| 18:04 |
Peacock |
i still can't get github to record the football game :/ |
| 18:07 |
sfan5 |
"All the coppers have to do is decide that a public gathering or venue is deemed "sensitive" [...] the police can then get on with the very difficult task of kettling protesters without having to worry about a few beating anyone to death." |
| 18:07 |
VanessaE |
webdesigner97: cloned. :) |
| 18:08 |
VanessaE |
git is so much easier, ain't it? :) |
| 18:08 |
Peacock |
well they already beat journalists who are present at these things so it comes as no surprise lol |
| 18:08 |
sfan5 |
raspberry pi with 1080p camera FTW |
| 18:09 |
webdesigner97 |
I didn't do much with it yet. But I think it was a good decision |
| 18:10 |
Peacock |
camcorders are getting to be cheaper than cellphones |
| 18:10 |
Peacock |
and the firmware isn't nearly as universal as android or iphone |
| 18:12 |
sfan5 |
there is nothing universal about camcorders |
| 18:12 |
Peacock |
though having met a few regular protesters, some of them could use a dash of reality-baton lol |
| 18:12 |
sfan5 |
maybe the PCB it contains, but not much more |
| 18:12 |
Peacock |
its easy to trash someone else's city |
| 18:12 |
Peacock |
when you dont have to live there |
| 18:13 |
Kacey |
bbl |
| 18:13 |
pitriss |
VanessaE: eh I'm not familiar with minetest developement..:) and yes, i see there are steel doors, but they are just ugly... |
| 18:18 |
VanessaE |
webdesigner97: you should add a "browse the code" link below "Download: Github" |
| 18:19 |
webdesigner97 |
well, why not :D |
| 18:19 |
VanessaE |
(just point it to https://github.com/webdesigner97/streets/ ) |
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VanessaE |
(that's right, I'm trying to set a standard here, G*ddamnit :-) ) |
| 18:20 |
webdesigner97 |
done |
| 18:20 |
webdesigner97 |
(I know the URI) ;) |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 18:21 |
webdesigner97 |
maybe I should try to fix the bug you mentioned |
| 18:21 |
webdesigner97 |
And I have an idea for why it might happen.... |
| 18:27 |
webdesigner97 |
maybe I should just remove buildable_to |
| 18:28 |
VanessaE |
that would probably do it |
| 18:30 |
webdesigner97 |
done, commiting now :D |
| 18:32 |
webdesigner97 |
done |
| 18:35 |
iqualfragile_ |
webdesigner97: you should add your mod to mmdb |
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Peacock |
jesus this cloud pattern on a tower is taking long - 3k+ nodes lol |
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nore_ |
sfan5, could you put the code of your additionnal nodes in LogoSkyBlock somewhere? |
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sfan5 |
nore_: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/autoblockbreaker.zip https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/crushingfurnace.zip http://shadowninja.minetest.net/logger.tgz |
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| 18:58 |
nore_ |
thanks |
| 18:59 |
webdesigner97 |
back |
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webdesigner97 |
iqualfragile_: Already did that |
| 19:01 |
iqualfragile_ |
great |
| 19:01 |
webdesigner97 |
https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/mod/20/ |
| 19:01 |
webdesigner97 |
When will the version be approved/how does that work? |
| 19:04 |
iqualfragile_ |
a moderator takes a look at the mod |
| 19:04 |
iqualfragile_ |
if eververything is allright it will be approved |
| 19:05 |
webdesigner97 |
ah, ok :) thx |
| 19:05 |
Calinou |
"NC" :slowclap |
| 19:07 |
iqualfragile_ |
nc? |
| 19:08 |
Calinou |
non-commercial |
| 19:08 |
iqualfragile_ |
ah, the mods license |
| 19:09 |
Peacock |
with the advent of crevis NC gains new pertinence :p |
| 19:09 |
webdesigner97 |
it was the output of http://creativecommons.org/choose/ :D |
| 19:09 |
Calinou |
Peacock: or not |
| 19:09 |
Calinou |
non-commercial prevents your work from getting more popular |
| 19:09 |
iqualfragile_ |
webdesigner97: cc licenses are more art-oriented |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
NC suck |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
+s |
| 19:10 |
Peacock |
if mod authors thought they could make money off their mods, theyd try to sell them themselves |
| 19:10 |
Peacock |
i dont get it, microsoft is evil, google is evil, but NC sucks? |
| 19:10 |
webdesigner97 |
art? Well, the textures are the art :D |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
well at least you're not using ND |
| 19:11 |
iqualfragile_ |
… actualy you are right: your mod has quite low ammounts of scripts |
| 19:11 |
Peacock |
basically you want to be allowed to sell stuff, but others should give theirs away :P |
| 19:11 |
iqualfragile_ |
allso: please change the basename to "streetsmod" |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
why forbid commercial use if you're giving away your work for free? |
| 19:11 |
webdesigner97 |
no, that's wrong |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
also, if I were iqualfragile_ I wouldn't allow non-free mods. |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
else, Minetest may be removed from the main debian/ubuntu repos |
| 19:12 |
webdesigner97 |
the basename is streets. It's the node prefix |
| 19:12 |
Peacock |
because youre being asked to give them away in the first place to share them with minetest, why allow commercial use under such terms? |
| 19:12 |
Calinou |
people selling them must add a plus-value, else they won't sell it. |
| 19:12 |
Calinou |
noone would buy it. |
| 19:12 |
Peacock |
last i checked, minetest in the repos dont come with all mods |
| 19:12 |
Calinou |
it works like that |
| 19:12 |
Calinou |
Peacock: but it links to them |
| 19:13 |
Peacock |
i still dont get it, you want content creators to be limited to oss licenses, but you also want the right to earn profit off their mods |
| 19:13 |
Calinou |
an OSS license always allows commercial use |
| 19:13 |
Calinou |
also, allowing commercial use doesn't mean you will use it commercially... this is actually very rare |
| 19:14 |
Peacock |
but what is the point in say, someone trying to sell their mods to minetest-community, if you force them to opensource everything? |
| 19:14 |
Calinou |
you're allowed to sell Red Eclipse content for an example. noone does it. |
| 19:15 |
Peacock |
the way i think is, if i was forced to opensource everything, then im giving it away, and i dont see why anyone should be able to commercialize them |
| 19:15 |
Peacock |
basically leaving the door open to MT itself re-licensing and commercializing |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
people wouldn't do that |
| 19:16 |
Calinou |
relicensing Minetest iself isn't (always) possible, iirc |
| 19:16 |
Calinou |
and commercializing is OK |
| 19:16 |
Peacock |
well if they wouldn't do that why does it matter that they use NC? |
| 19:16 |
Calinou |
no plus-value? too bad, they aren't going to sell it. |
| 19:16 |
Calinou |
actual plus-value? then they're going to sell it, and it gives publicity to minetest. |
| 19:16 |
Peacock |
well no matter what license mt uses, im pretty sure celeron is the copyright holder? |
| 19:16 |
Peacock |
and can relicense what he wrote at will |
| 19:17 |
Calinou |
Peacock: because it's still non-free |
| 19:17 |
Calinou |
and non-free doesn't only mean "selling", it also means putting it on a website with ads, or such |
| 19:17 |
iqualfragile_ |
aye: nc is a bit problematic for server-owners who want to ask players for a fee to rent the server |
| 19:17 |
Peacock |
you could argue that anything developed in france is non-free, since authors have more rights there than in say america |
| 19:18 |
Peacock |
hence why VLC had to ask each and every french contributor before they could re-license |
| 19:18 |
Peacock |
and why one dev was able to get it pulled from ios app market |
| 19:18 |
Peacock |
id call that pretty non-free |
| 19:19 |
Peacock |
iqualfragile before we start renting servers, we need more non-griefing players, and more stable free servers :p |
| 19:19 |
Peacock |
we dont have that many 24/7 servers |
| 19:20 |
Calinou |
proprietary app stores are open to such stuff :P |
| 19:20 |
Peacock |
well exactly, one french dev decided ios appmarket wasn't free enough, got VLC pulled and deprived *all* it's users of their rights (the defintion of opensource) |
| 19:21 |
Peacock |
*its |
| 19:21 |
Peacock |
adding to the fact that many licenses havent been tested in a legal sense, the laws are different from country to contry |
| 19:21 |
Peacock |
*country |
| 19:21 |
Calinou |
no, apple removed it |
| 19:21 |
Peacock |
uhm, no, |
| 19:22 |
Calinou |
they don't want open source apps |
| 19:22 |
Calinou |
at all |
| 19:22 |
Peacock |
apple didn't pull it |
| 19:22 |
Calinou |
at least, google allows it. |
| 19:22 |
Peacock |
a dev complained |
| 19:22 |
iqualfragile_ |
no, apples appstore colides with the gpl |
| 19:22 |
iqualfragile_ |
so vlc had to remove it |
| 19:22 |
Peacock |
http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/07/18/1943202/vlc-for-ios-returns-on-july-19-rewritten-and-fully-open-sourced |
| 19:23 |
Peacock |
read the comments |
| 19:23 |
Calinou |
oh |
| 19:23 |
Peacock |
so yeah, some devs in some countries have more rights, and can deprive users of theirs, id call it non-free lol |
| 19:23 |
Peacock |
freedom being very subjective IMO |
| 19:25 |
webdesigner97 |
gtg now. Bye all. |
| 19:25 |
Peacock |
nite |
| 19:25 |
webdesigner97 |
VanessaE: Made a release to 1.3.3 to bring the fix to the people. Thanks for reporting the bug ;) |
| 19:28 |
iqualfragile_ |
ok, 0.4.7& 0.4.8 added to mmdb |
| 19:29 |
VanessaE |
no prob |
| 19:32 |
thexyz |
well iOS sucks anyway, and VLC won't help |
| 19:33 |
Peacock |
doesnt alter the fact that according to french law they had to withdraw the app because of 1 dev |
| 19:33 |
Peacock |
(who made the request after finding employment at nokia) |
| 19:35 |
thexyz |
they had to remove the app because GPL doesn't work with app store |
| 19:35 |
thexyz |
IIRC there's a limit of devices app can be installed on |
| 19:36 |
thexyz |
but it's not like I care anyway |
| 19:36 |
Peacock |
theres more than just the slashdot article detailing exactly what happened |
| 19:37 |
thexyz |
maybe, I didn't read it |
| 19:37 |
Peacock |
then id suggest reading it before making wishful assumptions |
| 19:38 |
thexyz |
reading what? |
| 19:39 |
Peacock |
<Peacock> http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/07/18/1943202/vlc-for-ios-returns-on-july-19-rewritten-and-fully-open-sourced |
| 19:39 |
Peacock |
+ the comments (first few are most pertinent) |
| 19:39 |
Peacock |
VLC didn't change licenses because they felt like it, they did it to prevent such a thing from happening again |
| 19:40 |
thexyz |
> The most obvious conflict between the App Store and the GPL is the third freedom – "the freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor." |
| 19:40 |
thexyz |
I think I got it right |
| 19:40 |
thexyz |
I never said they "change licenses because they felt like it," |
| 19:40 |
Peacock |
One of the VLC devs requested to have it removed because of licensing after said developer was hired by Nokia. |
| 19:40 |
Peacock |
Note that same developer has not complained over VLC being distributed for Nokia phones under similar conditions with Apple's AppStore. |
| 19:41 |
thexyz |
well, I don't anything wrong in what he has done (apart from being an asshole) |
| 19:41 |
Peacock |
Yeah, lets be clear about this apparently... |
| 19:41 |
Peacock |
The Dev in question happens to work for a competing phone manufacturer |
| 19:41 |
Peacock |
The developer's name is Rémi Denis-Courmont [1], and while he's the lead developer for the VLC app, also worked for Nokia at the time, and thus the conflict of interest in his revocation of VLC iOS app. |
| 19:42 |
thexyz |
what's your point? |
| 19:42 |
Peacock |
the GPL was used/abused to accomplish the opposite of what it's intended |
| 19:43 |
thexyz |
and what's GPL indended for? |
| 19:43 |
Peacock |
isn't all opensource to protect the end users rights? |
| 19:43 |
thexyz |
wait, you're not answerring the question |
| 19:45 |
Peacock |
you're the expert, you explain |
| 19:45 |
Peacock |
the arguments seem to change depending on whether the advocates benefit from it |
| 19:46 |
thexyz |
I've never said I'm "the expert" |
| 19:46 |
Peacock |
well you support it? |
| 19:47 |
thexyz |
I support what? |
| 19:47 |
Peacock |
the fucking GPL, can't you read? |
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| 19:47 |
thexyz |
it's hard to talk with you because what you think I "read" and what I think I "read" are two different things |
| 19:48 |
Peacock |
we are talking about the GPL |
| 19:48 |
thexyz |
okay, yes, I support the GPL |
| 19:48 |
Peacock |
you asked me to explain, i think others here consider themselves the expert |
| 19:48 |
Peacock |
if you support it, then you must know more than someone like me who thinks all these licenses are pseudo-legal jokes like the "freemen of the land" tax-dodging movement |
| 19:49 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: You can use the node saple tool on plants |
| 19:49 |
Peacock |
thats fine |
| 19:49 |
thexyz |
I'd prefer all software to be open source |
| 19:50 |
FreeFull |
But that means you only ever need to grow one plant |
| 19:50 |
Peacock |
so would RMS but we can't all sell support and fridge magnets |
| 19:51 |
thexyz |
Peacock: I've never said I'm "expert" |
| 19:51 |
Peacock |
my apologies, but i always assuming the advocates know more about this stuff than me |
| 19:51 |
iqualfragile_ |
yes we can |
| 19:51 |
Peacock |
*assume |
| 19:51 |
thexyz |
I think marktraceur is, more or less |
| 19:51 |
thexyz |
talk to him next time |
| 19:51 |
iqualfragile_ |
yes he is |
| 19:51 |
iqualfragile_ |
and i still have no idea what your problem is |
| 19:51 |
Peacock |
marktraceur is biased, he's one of the very few who earns a living from it |
| 19:52 |
thexyz |
does he? |
| 19:52 |
Peacock |
its easy to say others should work for free when you're already paid up lol |
| 19:52 |
Peacock |
according to him |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
he's an admin at wikimedia foundation |
| 19:52 |
thexyz |
who did say "others should work for free"? |
| 19:52 |
Peacock |
anyone who thinks all software should be opensource? |
| 19:53 |
Peacock |
short memory today? |
| 19:53 |
thexyz |
> I work for the Wikimedia Foundation as a Software Engineer. |
| 19:53 |
thexyz |
oh, I see |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
Peacock: it should be open source whenever possible |
| 19:53 |
Peacock |
well, shouldn't he be giving his services away? |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
that is, often, when it is free as in price |
| 19:53 |
ruskie |
Peacock, open source/free software does not exclude commercial distribution of said software |
| 19:53 |
thexyz |
Peacock: why does that mean "others should work for free"? |
| 19:53 |
thexyz |
I don't see the connection |
| 19:54 |
Peacock |
i dont hate opensource, but think *all* software should be opensource is absurd |
| 19:54 |
thexyz |
(feel free to insult me on this one) |
| 19:54 |
ruskie |
and again as the copyright holder of said software you are free to provide both an open source and a paid for version easily |
| 19:54 |
ruskie |
considering it's how mysql has worked for year |
| 19:54 |
ruskie |
s |
| 19:54 |
thexyz |
it is, it's like utopia |
| 19:54 |
Peacock |
and how much software have you manage to sell while simultaneously giving away the source? |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
"you"? I don't write software |
| 19:55 |
Peacock |
obviously, if you did you want to eat |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
if you were to make a game: you can make it open source, and sell the art |
| 19:55 |
ruskie |
Peacock, apparently enough that companies work based on it |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
that is how id software sells some of their games, and it works |
| 19:55 |
thexyz |
Peacock: I don't know, I think marktraceur earns some $$$ yet mediawiki is opensource |
| 19:55 |
ruskie |
of course it doesn't work for everyone |
| 19:55 |
Peacock |
you mean redhat and canonical? |
| 19:55 |
PenguinDad |
Peacock: see DOOM |
| 19:55 |
ruskie |
Peacock, no those just repack |
| 19:56 |
Peacock |
and dyou really think the top talent would stick around if they couldn't earn off what they produce? |
| 19:56 |
Peacock |
theyd prolly be working at wall street instead |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
proprietary coders are often worse than OSS coders, in terms of code quality |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
if that's what you talking about :P |
| 19:57 |
ruskie |
anyway I see you are biasing this towards earning from open source software which is not what everyone does... belive it or not some people code it just for the hell of it |
| 19:57 |
thexyz |
Peacock: you just insulted all people who earn by coding open source products, didn't you? |
| 19:57 |
Calinou |
they rarely care about it |
| 19:57 |
Peacock |
Calinou> proprietary coders are often worse than OSS coders |
| 19:57 |
Peacock |
wow |
| 19:57 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 19:57 |
Calinou |
s/often/sometimes/ |
| 19:58 |
Peacock |
thats why everyone runs nouveau :p |
| 19:58 |
ruskie |
considering some of the commits I've seen at work I can agree with Calinou |
| 19:58 |
Peacock |
well theres a huge diff between hobbyist/unemployed programmers and professional programmers |
| 19:58 |
thexyz |
I doubt Calinou himself has seen proprietary software's code |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
i haven't |
| 19:58 |
ruskie |
but they atleast have an excuse of pressure from management to bring the product to market fast |
| 19:58 |
Peacock |
the hobbyist doesn't care whether he earns, the unemployed are padding their CV, and the professionals need to eat |
| 19:59 |
iqualfragile_ |
Peacock: nouveau is not an apropriate example, if you do some research you would know why |
| 19:59 |
iqualfragile_ |
now please stfu, you are annoying the hell out of me |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
nouveau is reverse engineering, and knowing how nvidia does their linux driver, they aren't necessarily worse in terms of code quality :P |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
then leave |
| 19:59 |
ruskie |
Peacock, I'm all for having all types of code around... there's room for it all |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
thats what i think |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
but not what the advocates believe |
| 19:59 |
ruskie |
I'm still an advocate of GPL |
| 20:00 |
Peacock |
before all software being free, you might wanna work towards making actual life-essentials free, like rent and food |
| 20:00 |
svuorela |
...at least participation in OSS has made me write better code. |
| 20:00 |
iqualfragile_ |
Peacock: no, i will not leave, but i want you to take this discussion to #flamewars and let us discuss minetest in #minetest |
| 20:00 |
ruskie |
and RMS is only against propriteray shrinkwrap... he sees no probs with custom coding for customers |
| 20:00 |
ruskie |
Peacock, you start where you can |
| 20:00 |
Peacock |
iqualfragile so long as you want to discuss licenses and opensource, im going to have a POV, deal with it |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
Peacock: that is impossibler |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
-r |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
you can't make hardware or food free |
| 20:01 |
iqualfragile_ |
Calinou: that is not entirely true |
| 20:01 |
Peacock |
but devs don't need to eat? |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
except if you're losing money in the process :P |
| 20:01 |
Peacock |
devs have to pay for rent and food |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
Peacock: see facebook. |
| 20:01 |
iqualfragile_ |
Peacock: why do you care? you are not a developer |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
the thing is entirely free, yet the developers get to eat. |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
if they started distributing a phone for free, they probably would run bankrupt. |
| 20:02 |
Peacock |
i make websites for cash |
| 20:02 |
ruskie |
good for you |
| 20:02 |
Peacock |
rather than relying on welfare/loans/parents |
| 20:02 |
ruskie |
I do sysadmin work for a living and help out where I can with open source projects |
| 20:02 |
Calinou |
you're again insulting people... |
| 20:03 |
ruskie |
one does not exclude the other |
| 20:03 |
Peacock |
calinou well its easy to have an opinion on people's livelihood when yours is taken care of |
| 20:03 |
ruskie |
you apparently seems so |
| 20:03 |
iqualfragile_ |
Peacock: there is no way you could opensource a website |
| 20:03 |
ruskie |
anyway gonna go listen to paint dry... atm seems like the better enternatinment option |
| 20:03 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 20:03 |
iqualfragile_ |
every website is individual (well, more or less) |
| 20:03 |
Peacock |
you cant opensource php/asp ? |
| 20:04 |
ruskie |
iqualfragile_, the fact that it already is open source(you have the source via HTML) |
| 20:04 |
iqualfragile_ |
so you are not somebody why would be influenced by opensource licenses |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
part of it, ruskie |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
PHP is server side |
| 20:04 |
iqualfragile_ |
ruskie: yes, but i meant license |
| 20:04 |
Peacock |
by the same logic if i reuse the same dyn. code for a website i should just give it away |
| 20:04 |
iqualfragile_ |
i can give you sourcecode but forbid you to do anythig with it |
| 20:04 |
thexyz |
Peacock: yeah, please stop insulting people here |
| 20:04 |
iqualfragile_ |
Peacock: you should just go away and stop flaming around in #minetest |
| 20:05 |
Peacock |
i think its insulting you think i should work for free |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
also, what iqualfragile_ said. you could perfectly do that |
| 20:05 |
iqualfragile_ |
NO FUCKING BODY SAYS YOU SHOULD WORK FOR FREE |
| 20:05 |
iqualfragile_ |
now go away. |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
don't use all caps |
| 20:05 |
Peacock |
no |
| 20:05 |
Peacock |
if youre tired of talking you go away |
| 20:05 |
thexyz |
Peacock: stuff like "short memory today?" insults me in some way, yeah |
| 20:06 |
Peacock |
if anyone is tired of having this discussion then end it, and ill move on to talking about architecture or some other stuff |
| 20:06 |
Peacock |
people don't go away because their POV is inconvenient to one's belief system |
| 20:07 |
iqualfragile_ |
ok, i do not do this often but: i will ignore you for about half a year untill you have matured a bit and learned about rules in irc |
| 20:07 |
sfan5 |
could we please stop arguing? |
| 20:07 |
sfan5 |
+e |
| 20:07 |
Peacock |
doesnt IRC have an ignore option? use it |
| 20:07 |
VanessaE |
the world should just license everything as WTFPL :P |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
some clients do, it's client side |
| 20:07 |
Peacock |
well they should get a better client and use it, problem solved |
| 20:07 |
iqualfragile_ |
yes, my client does and i just did |
| 20:07 |
svuorela |
Peacock: and please remember to pay for minetest. |
| 20:08 |
iqualfragile_ |
and i would recommend everybody to just /ignore Peacock or mind-ignore him |
| 20:08 |
Peacock |
for a 0.4.8 version? |
| 20:08 |
Peacock |
sorry, 0.4.7 |
| 20:09 |
PenguinDad |
iqualfragile_: i do ignore him now |
| 20:09 |
sfan5 |
PenguinDad: you don't need to announce that publicy |
| 20:09 |
iqualfragile_ |
thanks |
| 20:10 |
iqualfragile_ |
sfan5: i think it is polite to do so |
| 20:10 |
sfan5 |
I disagree |
| 20:10 |
iqualfragile_ |
it prevents the ignored person to wonder why he does not get responses |
| 20:10 |
svuorela |
a sign of a well driven irc channel is wether or not everybody needs to ignore one person, or if the ops take charge and silences whoever everyone else is ignoring |
| 20:10 |
PenguinDad |
sfan5: i know but am i not allowed to? |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
didn't know we silenced people for having opinions |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
absence of responce isn't polite |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
Peacock: take flamewars somewhere else ;) |
| 20:11 |
sfan5 |
*sigh* |
| 20:11 |
iqualfragile_ |
and in case the ignored person needs to tell something on topic he can try to notify the ignoring person in some other way |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
calinou, i dont start 'em, people make statements that start them |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
don't respond then |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
I see tons of Windows users daily, I don't tell them to switch to Linux. |
| 20:12 |
Peacock |
and.. how many times you mentionned ubuntu this week starting an OS war? lol |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
ubuntu! |
| 20:12 |
Peacock |
exactly lol |
| 20:12 |
Peacock |
i dont think anyone's innocent on that front |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
on that font! |
| 20:14 |
Peacock |
for a sec i thought i typo'd lol |
| 20:15 |
Calinou |
"ubuntu" is also the name of a font, actually :P |
| 20:15 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 20:15 |
Peacock |
is it true nekogloop uses windows now? |
| 20:15 |
Peacock |
or was he kidding? lol |
| 20:15 |
VanessaE |
he has for a while |
| 20:15 |
NekoGloop |
I always have |
| 20:15 |
FreeFull |
I currently use Arch |
| 20:16 |
Peacock |
what the... but didnt you rail against it constantly? or was that someone else |
| 20:16 |
iqualfragile_ |
yaya archlinux |
| 20:16 |
Calinou |
harsh linux |
| 20:16 |
* Calinou |
drinks crit-a-cola and runs away |
| 20:16 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 20:16 |
svuorela |
VanessaE: I've heard you have a slight role to play in the amazing moretrees mod |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
slight? |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 20:17 |
Calinou |
she made a lot of mods |
| 20:17 |
Calinou |
moretrees is amazing... and slow :P |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: the spawn_tree() call is slow |
| 20:17 |
iqualfragile_ |
i think those new node-manipultion apis could help a litle |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
rendering is also slow with fancy trees, lots of leaves to render |
| 20:18 |
iqualfragile_ |
also: luajit |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
(plants_lib might be improved somewhat with vmanip but I dunno) |
| 20:18 |
svuorela |
VanessaE: though it would be nice if the leaves would start degrading when all nearby logs are gone |
| 20:18 |
Peacock |
i got people building houses inside giant sequoias (p) |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
svuorela: I coded plants_lib and moretrees, RealBadAngel wrote most of the tree models |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
they already do. |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
just very slowly |
| 20:18 |
NekoGloop |
Peacock, I don't rail on it; that's everyone else in the channel |
| 20:19 |
Peacock |
NekoGloop true |
| 20:19 |
Peacock |
isn't there a timbermod for that? |
| 20:19 |
svuorela |
VanessaE: oh. I was expecting them to degrade in the same speed as 'normal' trees |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: there is one that ostensibly works with it, but I dunno how good it is |
| 20:19 |
Peacock |
well moretrees uses group:leaves, so timber should if it uses it |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
svuorela: I made them degrade much slower to keep the CPU load at a minimum |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
there's like 100x as many leaves in an average moretrees forest as in a regular one :) |
| 20:21 |
svuorela |
and 50 times as many wood blocks |
| 20:21 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 20:23 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: You can suffocate your way out of the prison |
| 20:23 |
Peacock |
yeah and they respawn at spawn |
| 20:23 |
Peacock |
that is a pickle, but a temporary one :-) |
| 20:23 |
FreeFull |
How will you fix it? |
| 20:23 |
Peacock |
build a prison deeper undeground, that coffin was a temporary thing |
| 20:25 |
Peacock |
in any case im working on something that should protect freebuild projects |
| 20:29 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: I don't know if placing it deeper underground will help |
| 20:29 |
FreeFull |
Want to test it out? |
| 20:29 |
Peacock |
it will, theyll be banned before they grief their way out |
| 20:30 |
Peacock |
so long as you dont put anything where they can off themselves |
| 20:30 |
Peacock |
though im not gonna build it right now, still working on the extremely complicated cloud tower lol |
| 20:31 |
FreeFull |
I mean, you can off yourself using the top teleporter block |
| 20:32 |
Peacock |
how? |
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| 20:32 |
Peacock |
http://s21.postimg.org/pi8esbhc7/screenshot_1777192371.png |
| 20:33 |
Peacock |
it still doesn't look like a cloud :/ |
| 20:33 |
FreeFull |
Although it's not necessarily reliable |
| 20:33 |
Peacock |
looks more abstract |
| 20:33 |
FreeFull |
Jumping up with crouch pressed |
| 20:34 |
Peacock |
ahh dont worry, theres a column holding the top pad in prisons |
| 20:34 |
Peacock |
i dont usually put "bare" pads unless its someone else's country, then they can decorate it to suit their environment |
| 20:35 |
Peacock |
on a beach i lined with with bark lol |
| 20:35 |
FreeFull |
Hmm |
| 20:35 |
Peacock |
*lined one with |
| 20:35 |
FreeFull |
I'd still like to see it and test it out |
| 20:36 |
PilzAdam |
LogoSkyBlock as a game: https://github.com/PilzAdam/LogoSkyBlock |
| 20:36 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, ^ |
| 20:36 |
Peacock |
if youre still on later you can test, but this is what ittl look like finished: http://s11.postimg.org/qgcp21hab/screenshot_1337374977.jpg |
| 20:36 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: nice |
| 20:36 |
PilzAdam |
need to add grinder and stuff |
| 20:36 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: Ah |
| 20:36 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/autoblockbreaker.zip https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/crushingfurnace.zip http://shadowninja.minetest.net/logger.tgz |
| 20:37 |
Peacock |
grinder ... not the gay hookup app on iphone/android? |
| 20:37 |
FreeFull |
Yeah, I would like to test it out |
| 20:37 |
sfan5 |
Peacock: add a horizonal line and it will look like a pokeball () |
| 20:37 |
sfan5 |
s/()/8)/ |
| 20:37 |
Peacock |
i was thinking of doing that lol |
| 20:37 |
Peacock |
it would look like the oriental peace sign |
| 20:38 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, different textures would be nice |
| 20:38 |
sfan5 |
why? |
| 20:38 |
PilzAdam |
it looks too similiar to the normal furnace |
| 20:39 |
Peacock |
though w/ the prison at y-200, and only 15 griefer warnings before ban, people could never surface or die before ban |
| 20:39 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: hmm |
| 20:40 |
sfan5 |
suggestions? |
| 20:41 |
PilzAdam |
for x do; for y do; getPixel(x,y):setColor(rand(0,255),rand(0,255),rand(0,255),rand(0,255)); end; end; |
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FreeFull |
Peacock: I bet I'll find a way to die without placing or breaking anything =P |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
the old prison used to have a lava pit, i didn't think that one through lol |
| 20:46 |
VanessaE |
isn't there some flag that says a user has been jailed? |
| 20:47 |
Peacock |
jailings and bans are publicly announced yes |
| 20:47 |
VanessaE |
why not just auto-teleport them back to the jail on respawn? |
| 20:48 |
Peacock |
well i wrote the spawn transporter pad thingie before the warning level jailing/ban thingie :/ |
| 20:49 |
Peacock |
i should probably code that in |
| 20:49 |
Peacock |
though i figure if people are smart enough to find a way out, theyre smart enough to follow rules, and the warning level stays the same and keeps approaching ban |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
the next thing i want to do is keep a place/dig ratio for non-citizens (new players), when it dips too low, ittl auto-revoke interac until someone can check what theyre digging |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
*interact |
| 20:51 |
Peacock |
and also make messing with machines up the warning level |
| 20:51 |
Peacock |
noticing this pattern where people login, turn the tanks off, and leave lol |
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Peacock |
does your server get as many griefers? or am i just especially popular lol |
| 20:54 |
VanessaE |
mine gets a few now and then |
| 20:54 |
VanessaE |
not having interact by default helps somewhat |
| 20:54 |
VanessaE |
and no buckets either |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
(so everything gets piped through node_ownership) |
| 20:55 |
Peacock |
true, i guess new players think mine is a free for all |
| 20:56 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: I wonder, can overly bright light levels suffocate? |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
though it doesn't help that servers.minetest.net lists servers with dmg enabled as "PVP" |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
no howcome? |
| 20:56 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: I don't see how |
| 20:57 |
Peacock |
FreeFull are you getting lag? |
| 20:57 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: When I stand under some lights, I get suffocated, and not under others |
| 20:57 |
FreeFull |
Oh, nevermind |
| 20:57 |
Peacock |
weird, someone else said standing on neons suffocated them too :/ |
| 20:57 |
FreeFull |
It's all lights |
| 20:58 |
Peacock |
why would an invisible light node (not drawtype liquid or anything) cause that? |
| 20:58 |
FreeFull |
Well, any non-air node causes suffocation |
| 20:58 |
Peacock |
ah shit just being inside nodes causes it? |
| 20:59 |
VanessaE |
I thought you had to set a flag in the node def for that/ |
| 20:59 |
Peacock |
doesn't happen to me though on git from 4-5 days ago |
| 20:59 |
FreeFull |
Yes |
| 20:59 |
Peacock |
gonna restart and check it out |
| 20:59 |
FreeFull |
For example, a ladder will suffocate you |
| 20:59 |
Peacock |
the brazilian griefer brigade arrived anyhow |
| 20:59 |
VanessaE |
that's strange\ |
| 21:00 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: Of course, it does make making underwater more difficult |
| 21:00 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, I also need a header (and maybe a different icon) for the main menu |
| 21:00 |
FreeFull |
Since you actually have to make air nodes |
| 21:00 |
FreeFull |
Of course, you could just eat oranges when you take damage instead |
| 21:00 |
FreeFull |
That works too |
| 21:00 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: I wonder if it would be possible to make it so you can't eat while your air is at 0 |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
which flag causes drowning? |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
heres the def: |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
minetest.register_node("mextra:light", { |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
drawtype = "glasslike", |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
tile_images = {"nbu_spotlights_inv.png"}, |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
inventory_image = minetest.inventorycube("nbu_spotlights_inv.png"), |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
paramtype = "light", |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
walkable = false, |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
is_ground_content = true, |
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iqualfragile_ |
haha |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
light_source = 15, |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
selection_box = { type = "fixed", fixed = {0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0}, }, |
| 21:01 |
Peacock |
}) |
| 21:01 |
PilzAdam |
ehm... |
| 21:01 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, use a pastebin |
| 21:02 |
Peacock |
should have yeah lol sorry |
| 21:02 |
FreeFull |
I like dpaste |
| 21:02 |
Peacock |
but i dont see anything in there that should cause drowning |
| 21:02 |
FreeFull |
I would check the drowning code |
| 21:03 |
Peacock |
wont be much use to me, i dont drown on my git version standing on light :/ |
| 21:03 |
FreeFull |
On your server? |
| 21:03 |
Peacock |
yeah i dont drown in light :/ |
| 21:03 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: And it's happening to me with overhead lights |
| 21:03 |
VanessaE |
dude, pastebin |
| 21:03 |
FreeFull |
4 spaces from ground to light |
| 21:03 |
Peacock |
so the source i have wont give me any clues |
| 21:03 |
Peacock |
its happening with all neons too |
| 21:04 |
Peacock |
i know i just got a gazillion windows already open lol |
| 21:04 |
FreeFull |
When you stand on the path to freebuild it happens |
| 21:05 |
Peacock |
glasslike, buildable_to, walkable, none of these should cause drowning |
| 21:05 |
Peacock |
what version are you running? |
| 21:06 |
PilzAdam |
when a new client connects to an older server (both 0.4.7 git) then the client may drown in nodes |
| 21:06 |
PilzAdam |
... I think |
| 21:06 |
Peacock |
so his version is actually newer than mine? |
| 21:07 |
Peacock |
i dont wanna do strict_protocol enforcement yet, when 0.4.8 is out |
| 21:08 |
PilzAdam |
you have to expect such things when you use the unstable dev version |
| 21:08 |
Peacock |
yeah im just wondering which one of us has to update |
| 21:09 |
PilzAdam |
I think the server |
| 21:09 |
Peacock |
allright, when i shutdown tonight ill update it |
| 21:09 |
FreeFull |
My minetest is on commit 35c5ccfad34417e37ecb76bfb2995e47142b272e Date: Thu Aug 8 06:10:45 2013 +0300 |
| 21:10 |
Peacock |
ok yeah yours is newer than mine |
| 21:10 |
Peacock |
screw it ill do it right now ittl be done lol |
| 21:12 |
Peacock |
i forget it doesn't take nearly as long as it did on my p4 to comp |
| 21:14 |
FreeFull |
It helps if you use something like -j3 |
| 21:16 |
Peacock |
thats what i do for the dualcore |
| 21:16 |
Peacock |
i think its j(number of cores +1) right? |
| 21:19 |
FreeFull |
I think actually using more than that can still yeld a bigger speedup |
| 21:19 |
FreeFull |
And you have to experiment to find what value is actually right |
| 21:19 |
FreeFull |
But number of cores + 1 is a safe default |
| 21:23 |
Peacock |
allright, back up |
| 21:23 |
Peacock |
and the tanks are protected for on punch lol |
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Tesseract |
No matter how hard I try I haven't been able to find a spot with a temperature of -273.15C (0K). But it comes close... |
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Peacock |
as shit the arguments changed for on_punch (node) |
| 21:29 |
Tesseract |
Hmmm, the edge of your screen has a slightly higher viewing range. |
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Peacock |
on the bright side the map flicker seems to be gone |
| 21:36 |
Peacock |
the lazyest workaround for on_punch argument changes lol : http://pastebin.com/ZvRdgzJw |
| 21:37 |
Peacock |
i noticed right_click still works the same as before though |
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| 21:41 |
Tesseract |
Uberi: A few functions in WE don't use the VM (like copy amd move) Some functions arealso duplicated, overriding themselves. |
| 21:42 |
Peacock |
could use a config option for using voxnips :P |
| 21:42 |
Tesseract |
Also //fixedpos shoild be changed to //pos1/2 [x y z,x,y,z]. |
| 21:42 |
Uberi |
Tesseract: I know, it's on the todo list |
| 21:42 |
Uberi |
the commands will not be changed for compat reasons |
| 21:43 |
Tesseract |
Peacock: The only downside they have is with metedata. |
| 21:43 |
Peacock |
metadata? |
| 21:43 |
Uberi |
Tesseract: also there's no speedup if we use vmanips for these sort of things |
| 21:43 |
Peacock |
ah voxelmanip doesn't copy meta |
| 21:43 |
Uberi |
since we have to go through it again to set param2 and met |
| 21:43 |
Uberi |
a |
| 21:43 |
Uberi |
for example, if you copy torches, the rotation needs to be preserved |
| 21:43 |
Peacock |
well the workaround would be to "pre-treat" the nodes before doing the vamnip stuff |
| 21:44 |
Tesseract |
Uberi: Just leave //fixedpos for a while. Leaving out the coords defaults to the players position. |
| 21:44 |
Uberi |
pre-treat? |
| 21:44 |
Uberi |
Tesseract: any reasons in particular? |
| 21:44 |
Tesseract |
Uberi: Add a //metacopy command. Or //fastcopy |
| 21:44 |
Peacock |
well, dry cleaner term lol sort of look for the metas and save those before handling the nodes, and doing the same in reverse after |
| 21:44 |
Uberi |
Tesseract: no, that would not follow the simplicity goal of the design |
| 21:45 |
Uberi |
Peacock: that's already what we do, and it's the slowest part |
| 21:46 |
Uberi |
the vmanips are effectively instant |
| 21:46 |
Tesseract |
Uberi: There should be a VM option for commands like copy and move, however you implement it. |
| 21:46 |
Uberi |
we use schematics wherever possible to set param2 |
| 21:46 |
Peacock |
its weird though i dont have speed problems with multinode or the meshspawner |
| 21:46 |
Uberi |
Tesseract: it will be rewritten to use schematics |
| 21:46 |
Uberi |
which are nearly as fast, but also support param2 |
| 21:46 |
Peacock |
though i wrote several formats to make blueprints ultracompact |
| 21:47 |
Peacock |
meshspawner is binary lol |
| 21:47 |
Peacock |
doesnt get any smaller |
| 21:47 |
Uberi |
Peacock: using mts format? that's binary too |
| 21:48 |
Peacock |
no blueprints are still plaintext, the meshspawner uses binary since those are huge |
| 21:49 |
Peacock |
i was able to spawn a life-size battlestar galactica with it lol |
| 21:49 |
Peacock |
though i could never load the whole thing in viewing range |
| 21:50 |
Uberi |
got a link to that one? |
| 21:50 |
Peacock |
the meshspawner? |
| 21:51 |
Peacock |
cuz i dont have the galactica map anymore |
| 21:51 |
Peacock |
i cant really provide the meshspawner either, the thing that reads meshes is GPL'ed, except the author never bothered to post the sources |
| 21:51 |
Uberi |
so much for GPL then :P |
| 21:51 |
Peacock |
(dead link) |
| 21:51 |
Uberi |
the forum topic is also emptied now |
| 21:52 |
Peacock |
its all empty, since zimg and ompldr went down |
| 21:52 |
Peacock |
i found a new image host since then, but filehosts are a PITA they all want registration |
| 21:52 |
Uberi |
imgur is the best |
| 21:53 |
Peacock |
postimg.org is pretty fast and dead-simple :-) |
| 21:53 |
Peacock |
they say they dont resize images, but they do somewhat lol |
| 21:53 |
Peacock |
the others are worse for that |
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iqualfragile_ |
Uberi: there is http://mg.viewskew.com, its hosted by sb fron the mt community |
| 21:54 |
Peacock |
i thought he quit |
| 21:54 |
iqualfragile_ |
wtf is mda waifu |
| 21:54 |
iqualfragile_ |
*mai |
| 21:55 |
Uberi |
needs an account + registration though? |
| 21:55 |
iqualfragile_ |
yes |
| 21:55 |
iqualfragile_ |
http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/wallpaper3-5/ looks good |
| 21:56 |
Peacock |
i hate registering for services, i dont trust them with any kind of basic info lol |
| 21:57 |
Peacock |
went on an account-deleting-spree when i got an email from ubuntu forums lol |
| 21:58 |
Tesseract |
iqualfragile_: Notice the water texture. |
| 21:59 |
Uberi |
Peacock: bugmenot.com! |
| 21:59 |
Uberi |
terribly useful little site |
| 21:59 |
iqualfragile_ |
yes, it is |
| 21:59 |
iqualfragile_ |
but not for things like mediagoblin |
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Peacock |
looks like you might be violating EULA's (or wtv theyre called) using that |
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Prestotron |
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iqualfragile_ |
but there needs to be one more block of leaves in the tree |
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Prestotron |
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iqualfragile_ |
dn one log less |
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Prestotron |
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kaeza |
greetings |
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* NekoGloop |
noms kaeza |
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Prestotron |
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Tesseract |
git pull && make -j4 |
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iqualfragile_ |
Tesseract: nope |
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Evergreen |
Would anyone mind merging my pull request on minetest_game? Sorry, if I am a nuisance, just want someone to look at/discuss it |
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hoodedice |
So google+ says my browser is not supported |
| 22:36 |
hoodedice |
Hey Peacock |
| 22:37 |
Peacock |
HOWDY |
| 22:37 |
Peacock |
oups |
| 22:37 |
Peacock |
howdy |
| 22:37 |
Peacock |
(was editing signs :P) |
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hoodedice |
=) |
| 22:38 |
hoodedice |
Now I'm angry, because I am using the latest firefox |
| 22:38 |
Peacock |
thats all? you should hear about my day :P lol |
| 22:39 |
hoodedice |
So, what happened? |
| 22:39 |
Peacock |
meh, water under the bridge now :P |
| 22:39 |
Peacock |
currently finished this uber-complicated cloud tower |
| 22:39 |
Peacock |
*finishing |
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Peacock |
not done yet |
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hoodedice |
(I guess you fought with your wife) |
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hoodedice |
oooh, super fast server |
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Prestotron562 |
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Prestotron562 |
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Peacock |
hoodedice hell no, and at least fighting with the wife ends with naughties |
| 22:42 |
hoodedice |
*Silence* |
| 22:42 |
hoodedice |
=) |
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Prestotron562 |
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Prestotron562 |
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Prestotron562 |
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Peacock |
the instructions for compiling are on the wiki, and i believe, also in a README file when you d/l the source |
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Prestotron562 |
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Prestotron562 |
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| 22:47 |
Peacock |
now youre confusing me lol |
| 22:47 |
Peacock |
linux works better on minetest |
| 22:47 |
Peacock |
uhm, other way round |
| 22:47 |
hoodedice |
Linux is outdated? |
| 22:47 |
hoodedice |
Minetest Is Outdated? |
| 22:47 |
Peacock |
no lol minetest works better on linuses |
| 22:48 |
hoodedice |
http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/I+find+the+quot+I+don+t+want+to+live+on+this+_dc50bb0a29cacd01b616a35c7ecb966f.png |
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hoodedice |
Hell Yeah |
| 22:48 |
hoodedice |
Presto, which distro? |
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Prestotron562 |
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| 22:50 |
hoodedice |
Wut? |
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Prestotron562 |
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hoodedice |
Peacock, is there water on the top of the dome? |
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Uberi |
bwahahaha |
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PilzAdam |
lol |
| 22:50 |
hoodedice |
Prestotron, how long have you been running Ubuntu? |
| 22:50 |
hoodedice |
Guys, don't crack |
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Prestotron562 |
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Prestotron562 |
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hoodedice |
Everyone was a newbie once |
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PilzAdam |
hoodedice, nope, I was born as pro ;-) |
| 22:51 |
Uberi |
Prestotron562: exe's are windows executables |
| 22:51 |
hoodedice |
Okay, Prestotron, gimme your mail id |
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Prestotron562 |
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Prestotron562 |
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hoodedice |
We'll need to talk |
| 22:51 |
hoodedice |
Email id |
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Prestotron562 |
[deleted] |
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Prestotron562 |
[deleted] |
| 22:51 |
Uberi |
Prestotron562: email |
| 22:51 |
PilzAdam |
hoodedice, I can give it to you |
| 22:51 |
hoodedice |
email as in blahblah blah.com |
| 22:51 |
Prestotron562 |
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| 22:52 |
Uberi |
unless you can figure out how to give hoodedice that icon |
| 22:52 |
hoodedice |
okay, wait |
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Prestotron562 |
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| 22:52 |
hoodedice |
I don't want to flood the irc with ubuntu basics |
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hoodedice |
Log in to gmail |
| 22:52 |
Prestotron562 |
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| 22:52 |
PilzAdam |
Prestotron562, general security tip: Dont shout your e-mail adress in a public IRC channel |
| 22:53 |
hoodedice |
Yeah, use /msg *username* to M someone next time |
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Prestotron562 |
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Prestotron562 |
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hoodedice |
(Hangout) |
| 22:54 |
Prestotron562 |
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| 22:54 |
hoodedice |
Okay, won't matter |
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Prestotron562 |
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| 22:54 |
hoodedice |
Wait dude, I'll help you out |
| 22:54 |
hoodedice |
Just reply to my hangout message |
| 22:54 |
Prestotron562 |
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| 22:55 |
hoodedice |
Log into mail.google.com with firefox |
| 22:55 |
Prestotron562 |
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| 22:55 |
hoodedice |
No firefox? |
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Tesseract |
PilzAdam: http://imgur.com/0jZjsAU |
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Prestotron562 |
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| 22:55 |
hoodedice |
Press the windows key and type 'firefox' |
| 22:56 |
hoodedice |
Okay, log into google mail with that |
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Prestotron562 |
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PilzAdam |
Tesseract, seems legit |
| 22:56 |
Prestotron562 |
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| 22:56 |
Tesseract |
Half of it disapeared when I dig the bottom left piece and a bunch of sand turned into entities. |
| 22:56 |
Tesseract |
PilzAdam: It is. |
| 22:56 |
hoodedice |
Presto, bottom left |
| 22:56 |
Tesseract |
What is left works. |
| 22:57 |
Tesseract |
I can make it public if you like. |
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Prestotron562 |
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Prestotron562 |
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hoodedice |
Peacock, top of dome. I can see the sky. That normal? |
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Niften_ |
Hi Perston |
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Prestotron562 |
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| 22:58 |
hoodedice |
Ya |
| 22:59 |
Peacock |
depends on your viewing range but yeah |
| 22:59 |
hoodedice |
Oh. |
| 22:59 |
hoodedice |
I was still waiting for the chunks to load |
| 22:59 |
hoodedice |
Looks cool though |
| 22:59 |
Peacock |
it shouldn't be that slow tho |
| 22:59 |
Peacock |
be back in 15 :-) |
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Prestotron562 |
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hoodedice |
PilzAdam, need headers on cross compiling understandable to someone who's never compiled in his lifetime |
| 23:26 |
hoodedice |
Anyone? |
| 23:27 |
Peacock |
im not familiar with giving head :/ |
| 23:27 |
hoodedice |
-.- |
| 23:27 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 23:28 |
Peacock |
at this hour tho i think most of the euro users are sleeping |
| 23:28 |
PilzAdam |
hoodedice, well, you need to know what you do when you want to cross compile |
| 23:28 |
PilzAdam |
look at util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh |
| 23:29 |
hoodedice |
I'm looking at that now |
| 23:29 |
hoodedice |
It goes over the head |
| 23:29 |
hoodedice |
=P |
| 23:29 |
hoodedice |
It's a script |
| 23:30 |
hoodedice |
Okay, So I have to run that file as an exec |
| 23:30 |
hoodedice |
? |
| 23:31 |
PilzAdam |
$ util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh ~/whatever/directory/you/want/for/your/win/build/ |
| 23:32 |
hoodedice |
So, it will get all the dependencies by itself? |
| 23:32 |
PilzAdam |
yep |
| 23:32 |
hoodedice |
And how do I point it to the source? |
| 23:32 |
PilzAdam |
it gets that from github |
| 23:32 |
hoodedice |
OOOkay |
| 23:32 |
hoodedice |
thanks |
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hoodedice |
I'm getting a command not found |
| 23:50 |
hoodedice |
...? |
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* NekoGloop |
bites PilzAdam |
| 23:51 |
PilzAdam |
no fish for you today >:-( |
| 23:51 |
PilzAdam |
hoodedice, what command? |
| 23:51 |
hoodedice |
buildwin32.sh |
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NekoGloop |
:3 |
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| 23:53 |
PilzAdam |
hoodedice, thats a script, which command in it is not known? |
| 23:53 |
hoodedice |
So... what's the command? |
| 23:53 |
hoodedice |
Oh crap, wait |
| 23:54 |
hoodedice |
forgot to mark it as exec |
| 23:54 |
hoodedice |
Sorry *embarass* |
| 23:55 |
hoodedice |
Okay... |
| 23:55 |
hoodedice |
Ooooh it works ^.^ |
| 23:58 |
hoodedice |
I guess I'll need 7z |
