Time Nick Message 00:00 Evergreen I just was tweaking with a bugs mod 00:00 Evergreen IT adds fireflies atm, and I want to expand it 00:00 VanessaE arthelmath: now, let's try this again. 00:00 VanessaE arthelmath: go download that 7zip program and install it. 00:00 VanessaE you'll need it again in the future anyway 00:01 Evergreen ^ 00:01 PilzAdam VanessaE, why do you even try it? he seems to now want to learn things 00:01 VanessaE PilzAdam: because I'm more stubborn than you :P 00:01 PilzAdam thats a though statement 00:02 PilzAdam -h 00:02 VanessaE heh 00:02 khonkhortisan thoug :P 00:02 VanessaE arthelmath: waiting.. 00:02 VanessaE khonkhortisan: tats? 00:02 khonkhortisan waiting... 00:02 khonkhortisan waiting.... 00:03 khonkhortisan uhh idk? 00:03 PilzAdam !unmute arthelmath 00:04 arthelmath heh? 00:04 arthelmath i was muted? 00:04 khonkhortisan no you weren't 00:04 PilzAdam no 00:04 khonkhortisan I checked 00:04 VanessaE that woke you up :P 00:04 Evergreen He was just kidding. :P 00:04 arthelmath oh well the heck did u sya !unmute arthelmath for 00:04 arthelmath oh 00:04 arthelmath well i don't really want help from u vanessa im asking somebody else 00:05 VanessaE ... 00:05 PilzAdam told you.... 00:05 Evergreen ... 00:05 arthelmath ....... 00:05 jin_xi where is pacman if you need him 00:05 Evergreen *awkward silence* 00:05 kaeza jin_xi, LOL 00:05 VanessaE you'll get the same answers from someone else as you got from me, and I can almost guarantee they will be less patient than me. 00:05 PilzAdam (< 00:05 khonkhortisan aw I was going to do that 00:06 PilzAdam ^ does that count as pacman? 00:06 VanessaE jin_xi: ......C< ..O............ 00:06 Evergreen ^ what vanessae said 00:06 Exio4 arthelmath: you fucked it, the only user that could have helped you without saying READ THE FUCKING MANUAL AND SHUTUP was VanessaE :D 00:06 VanessaE (wokka wokka wokka?) 00:06 PilzAdam _____C<______\o/___ 00:06 PilzAdam ^ epic fight 00:06 kaeza lol 00:07 Kacey or me Exio4, i hate to say it but we are the same age... 00:07 kaeza you did not eat enough candies 00:07 Exio4 Kacey: wut? 00:08 PilzAdam this guy seems to be arthelmath's friend: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103001#p103001 00:09 arthelmath i do not know him Pilz 00:09 arthelmath yes i called you Pilz 00:09 PilzAdam thats an /ignore arthelmath all then 00:09 khonkhortisan installing mods, starting a server, and texture packs all in the same thread 00:10 khonkhortisan it's Pil-zAdam 00:10 * NekoGloopMkII bites Pilz 00:10 Exio4 calling PA "Pilz" is like commiting suicide 00:10 Exio4 but without a git revert to help you! 00:10 PilzAdam hehe 00:10 arthelmath How is it suicide im just shortening his name because im lazy 00:10 VanessaE arthelmath: he prefers Adam. 00:11 * NekoGloopMkII sits on Pilz's head 00:11 arthelmath ok Adam 00:11 khonkhortisan because you said "yes i called you Pilz" as if you knew you weren't supposed to call him that 00:11 * MinetestBot pushes arthelmath over the edge of a cliff 00:11 VanessaE (he's...ahem...ANAL like that :P ) 00:11 PilzAdam cya 00:11 khonkhortisan bye 00:11 VanessaE bye 00:11 NekoGloopMkII meow 00:11 arthelmath Is it against rules to call him Pilz? its part of his name 00:11 NekoGloopMkII Seeing as he's the self-entitled king of minetest? 00:11 PilzAdam arthelmath, nono, its not part of my name, its part of my nick 00:12 arthelmath It is what i meant, but still my question lay there, why is it such a big deal? 00:12 Exio4 arthelmath: if you call him "Pilz", it is likely to make him ignore you and if you later need his help, get a "get the fuck out" instead of a real answer 00:12 marktraceur arthelmath: It might be helpful to use tab completion 00:12 Exio4 just 'for what it's worth' 00:12 marktraceur arthelmath: Type "Pil" and then hit the tab key. 00:12 VanessaE arthelmath: because pilz = "mushroom" but his name is actually Adam? 00:13 * NekoGloopMkII sits in marktraceur's lap 00:13 marktraceur Exactly the same number of keystrokes and proper highlighting. 00:13 PilzAdam what VanessaE said 00:13 NekoGloopMkII He tastes like mushrooms 00:13 * VanessaE moves NekoGloopMkII up to marktraceur's head. 00:13 NekoGloopMkII mew :3 00:13 * Exio4 burns NekoGloopMkII 00:14 * NekoGloopMkII is living liquid; the fire is ineffective 00:14 * Exio4 pours lava over NekoGloopMkII 00:15 * NekoGloopMkII is unaffected 00:15 kaeza you can aso burn water 00:15 kaeza (see Candy Box) 00:15 NekoGloopMkII But I'm not water. 00:15 arthelmath Let me say this, Im sorry for this *issue* im causing, but damn i am trying to learn and u guys bash on me just because i don't know this stuff, but how am i supposed to do this if i have not learned? 00:16 PilzAdam nobody is uneffected by PilzAdam's non-renewable lava 00:16 NekoGloopMkII Yes, we know you like to make random changes to minetest for no reason 00:16 Exio4 lol? 00:16 kaeza lol! 00:17 PilzAdam lol¿ 00:17 Exio4 arthelmath: you are supposed to try to read the answer, and don't say 00:17 Exio4 "meh, i'm lazy so pls other answer" 00:17 arthelmath U put words in my mouth i never said 00:18 arthelmath and i tried to figure it out, smart one 00:18 Exio4 [20:54:28] arthelmath: now. go download 7zip. Use it to EXTRACT [-] the minetest*.7z file you downloaded. Save the results to a new folder on your Desktop. Open the folder, and you should find "games", "mods", "bin", and a number of other things. Open "bin". Launch "minetest". 00:18 Exio4 [20:55:18] look im not even going to try ill be sitting here for 2 hours i know it, ill just wait till a new 0.4.8 version comes out then i woun;'t have to deal with this crap 00:19 Exio4 tl;dr you don't want to read what she wrote 00:19 Exio4 :D 00:19 PilzAdam arthelmath, "learning" does not mean "others explaining it to you", but rather go to ixquick.com and search answers for yourself 00:19 arthelmath because i was getting tired of you guys *trying to help* but not getting me anywhere 00:19 VanessaE arthelmath: in order for us to help, you have to follow our instructions to the letter. 00:19 PilzAdam I mean, you have the god damn internet in front of you, use it! 00:20 kaeza ^^^ PilzAdam's version of GIYF 00:20 VanessaE kaeza: I thought it was JFGI? :) 00:20 kaeza didn't know about that one? :P 00:20 kaeza s/\?// 00:20 VanessaE kaeza: Just Fucking Google It 00:20 VanessaE but I almost never say that to anyone 00:20 PilzAdam but dont use google 00:20 arthelmath VanessaE i did, and then u wanted screenshots and blahh blah than ill have to sit here for 1 hour and figure out how to do that, nope 00:20 kaeza I guessed :P 00:21 marktraceur arthelmath: Sorry you're feeling a little frustrated. It can be hard to get help over IRC especially when things don't start working quickly. 00:21 VanessaE arthelmath: I asked for a screenshot because you were being unclear about exactly what you were doing, saying you were getting the same file back out as you put into the extract program, which made no sense. 00:21 VanessaE I wanted to see exactly what it was you saw 00:21 PilzAdam IIYFGIEDUI: Ixquick Is Your Friend Google Is Evil Dont Use It 00:21 arthelmath the file i downloaded, 00:22 arthelmath thats what was in the unzipped folder 00:22 Exio4 IIYFGIEDUIBPA 00:22 PilzAdam by PilzAdam? 00:22 VanessaE arthelmath: that's where you went wrong. 00:22 jin_xi ok, here is an attempt at making a road with pathfinding and bresenham... http://i.imgur.com/FqyxBLb.jpg 00:22 VanessaE you never actually unzippped it 00:22 VanessaE jin_xi: good start 00:23 arthelmath how did i go wrong if i *UNZIPPED IT* 00:23 marktraceur VanessaE: http://steike.com/code/useless/zip-file-quine/ 00:23 marktraceur Just saying 00:23 marktraceur It's possible 00:23 VanessaE arthelmath: for starters, you can't "unzip" a .7z file. it ain't a zip, it's a 7z. and you have to use the 7zip program to "extract" it. 00:23 Exio4 PilzAdam: yeah :D 00:23 VanessaE "extract" is the exact text on the button in that program that you must click to get the real files out. 00:24 arthelmath >.> 00:24 VanessaE *facepalm* 00:24 marktraceur Lulz 00:24 jin_xi so, anyone good with math? how can i find the angle perpendicular to a given line segment? 00:25 marktraceur jin_xi: add 90 degrees to the initial direction 00:25 marktraceur Or subtract 90 degrees 00:25 marktraceur Your choice, either one works 00:25 VanessaE jin_xi: take the reciprocal of your existing rise/run ? 00:25 jin_xi marc: i have two positions 00:25 marktraceur jin_xi: mar 00:25 jin_xi need resulting angle in flat plane 00:25 VanessaE that'll at least give you a 90 degree angle anyway 00:28 khonkhortisan ✋→☹ 00:32 jin_xi here is the init.lua if anyone wants to try http://pastebin.com/1audm6et 00:32 jin_xi modname/folder is roads 00:34 * NekoGloopMkII smacks khon 00:37 Evergreen Sorry, I was afk. Also, thanks for pointing me to ixquick Adam. :P 00:42 jin_xi srs, gotta use an angle of 1 degree here for flexibility... sigh 00:51 Evergreen *yawn* 00:58 kaeza wtf? got an account confirmation email from kr.battle.net O.o 00:59 marktraceur kaeza: Well type in your password, quick! 00:59 * marktraceur lied 00:59 marktraceur You shouldn't 01:00 kaeza I don't even know what the email says :P 01:00 kaeza kr == Korea? 01:01 jin_xi oh well, this kind of works, but takes way too long 01:01 jin_xi http://i.imgur.com/HtU4UhW.png generated road, with fixed angle 01:02 PilzAdam notbad.jpg 01:02 PilzAdam just make it gravel 01:02 jin_xi but straight set_node will be faster 01:03 marktraceur Probably korea, yeah 01:03 jin_xi well, treedefs would have been nice for the ability to use arbitrary angles 01:07 bas080 is there a drawtype for 6 face nodebox? 01:08 sokomine nodebox is a drawtype. and it can be rotated in all directions 01:08 bas080 what should be enabled for it to be rotatable to up and down? 01:09 bas080 sokomine, hety btw 01:09 PilzAdam 6d facedir also allows it to rotate in other directions 01:09 bas080 hey* 01:09 sokomine hm, param2? the usual stuff you have with nodeboxes....and give yourshelf a screwdriver 01:09 sokomine hi bas :-) 01:09 bas080 ok i'll go screw a nodebox 01:09 sokomine fine :-) 01:10 sokomine anyone got some experinece with place_schematics? 01:10 PilzAdam kinda 01:11 sokomine there seem to be some rare occasions when it works only partly. i'm using flat mapgen for testing. upon that flat landscape, i try to spawn a village street. that works mostly. sometimes, the ground stays sand 01:11 sokomine sometimes, if the area the building is placed in contains of sand, the sand drops 2 nodes deep and leaves a hole 01:11 PilzAdam are you sure its not just latency in sending the mapblocks? 01:12 kaeza sokomine, that also happens to me 01:12 sokomine if i logged out and in again? 01:12 PilzAdam yea 01:12 sokomine kaeza: ah. so it's not only a problem on my side 01:13 bas080 the screwdriver is high tech! 01:13 bas080 omg! 01:15 bas080 so one does not need upside down stairs node! just screw the node and your done 01:15 VanessaE yep 01:15 VanessaE moreblocks has my kick-ass placement prediction routine, too :) 01:16 sokomine that's right, bas 01:17 khonkhortisan I dare any of you to place a sign upside-down using a screwdriver. 01:17 sokomine hm :-) intresting idea 01:17 sokomine most likely just the sign would be turned - not the writing 01:18 hdastwb be careful with the screwdriver around old node breakers… 01:19 khonkhortisan it would probably break my mod too 01:19 PilzAdam bye 01:21 jin_xi can someone paste a schematic for me? 01:21 jin_xi just whatever, need to see the format that is all 01:24 jin_xi huh 01:30 Evergreen Bye everyone, nice talking to you 03:59 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Final changes and version number bump. 8bd5db51b2 2013-08-01T20:53:38-07:00 http://git.io/wZJwWQ 03:59 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix //pyramid examples. 416ffb3709 2013-07-31T19:29:01-07:00 http://git.io/KOmIdg 03:59 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: New module loader properly halts when load-time error occurs in module. 040282bbe6 2013-07-31T19:15:52-07:00 http://git.io/WtjPkg 03:59 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Rewrite spirals from scratch and fix upside-down pyramids. Use voxelmanip for markers to ensure area is emerged. b0bf52e9b6 2013-07-31T19:15:08-07:00 http://git.io/jU6Fng 05:56 PenguinDad Hello everybody 05:57 kaeza hai dad 06:02 sfan5 VanessaE: .deb uses bzip2 06:19 ruskie sfan5, last I checked .deb were just ar archives with a couple of tarballs inside 06:23 sfan5 ruskie: ar archives with gzip'd tarballs 06:24 ruskie yeah 06:26 sfan5 tarballs != gzip'd tarballs (in size) 06:26 ruskie for me a tarball is anything with .tar* in it 06:27 ruskie can be .tar.zip .tar.gz .tar.xz .tar.bz2 etc... 06:28 sfan5 but you can also put a .bzip2 in a .deb (as long as you name it (control|data).tar.gz) 06:28 sfan5 could also work with .xz 06:29 sfan5 I think it works with every compression tar supports decompressing without additional flags "tar xvf file.tar." 08:13 Jordach hey kaeza 08:19 kaeza hai Jordach 08:19 Jordach brb 08:36 RealBadAngel Jordach, is sam II only the texture or also a model update? 08:36 Jordach only a texture 08:37 VanessaE RealBadAngel: use stu's model and Jordach's texture 08:37 RealBadAngel texture is merged 08:37 VanessaE stu's model: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86858#p86858 08:37 RealBadAngel faster than thought ;) 08:37 RealBadAngel i was about to ask for link :) 08:38 * Jordach puts the electro house back on; too quiet 08:38 VanessaE I'd suggest using the variant of stu's mod that shows your wield item, but I guess that is too hacky for use in the default game (works great on my server though) 08:39 RealBadAngel what for is 'wield3d_character.x' ? 08:39 VanessaE that's the one I just mentioned 08:40 VanessaE if you rename it to character.x, all players will show the item they're wielding 08:40 VanessaE if they hold a pickaxe, all other players can see it 08:40 RealBadAngel shall i make it default? 08:40 VanessaE I don't know 08:40 VanessaE the one without the wield is surely good to merge 08:41 RealBadAngel i will make it an option 08:41 VanessaE I've been using that model on my server since nearly the initial release 08:41 RealBadAngel no problems? 08:41 VanessaE none whatsoever 08:41 RealBadAngel so no option 08:41 RealBadAngel it goes default 08:42 VanessaE I switched to the wield3d variety when that feature became generally useful. the only problem I ever see with that one is that rarely, the wielded item is not held in the player's hand but instead is embedded into the ground near the player (might be the entity duplication bug) 08:43 VanessaE one thing else we need for the player model though: 08:43 VanessaE rotating/tilting head 08:44 * RealBadAngel point at Jordach 08:44 VanessaE I guess that needs proper Irrlicht animation blending 08:44 VanessaE which I guess is broken 08:44 Jordach wut? 08:44 Jordach just because i'm pretty good in blender doesnt mean i'm doing your homework 08:45 RealBadAngel proper player model -> jordach. engine stuff regarding it -> Taoki 08:45 Jordach okay 08:45 VanessaE kaeza had a proof-of-concept but it was horrible on bandwidth usage 08:45 RealBadAngel and they say "off to work we go" ;) 08:46 Jordach btw, my animation Sam II has something special -- it can be used IN MINETEST. 08:46 Jordach because i used all bones; minetest can use it as a player model :) 08:46 VanessaE Jordach: the bendy arms/legs are too bendy for the game imho, they look unnatural 08:46 VanessaE unless you fixed that already 08:46 kaeza I got pinged... 08:46 Jordach VanessaE, fixing atm 08:47 kaeza hai 08:47 VanessaE kaeza: your player model + mod that could tilt/rotate the model's head. link? 08:47 kaeza a sec 08:47 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-animplus-0.1.0.zip 08:48 kaeza proof here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edzDAH6-WQU 08:49 kaeza g*d 0.4.4 O_O 08:49 VanessaE heh 08:49 VanessaE kaeza: how hard would it be to do that one "right"? 08:49 kaeza hmm... 08:49 kaeza that would need hardcoding the player anim 08:49 * Jordach has removed 2000 verts from Jordach's Sam II model 08:49 VanessaE given the current state of the engine/client I mean 08:50 kaeza because as soon as you position a bone manually, forget about irrlicht animation system 08:51 VanessaE I wonder if irr 1.8 fixed that? 08:51 kaeza supposedly, the feature was for 1.9 08:51 kaeza (yes, 1.9) 08:51 kaeza Taoki[laptop] may have more info on this; I don't lurk the Irr forums 08:52 VanessaE "On the other hand, if the two animations apply to different parts of the mesh, you can split the mesh in two and animate each separately." 08:52 VanessaE isn't that pretty much what we needed? 08:52 VanessaE split the model at the neck 08:53 kaeza hmm... 08:53 VanessaE http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43644 08:59 kaeza that looks easy in theory 08:59 kaeza implementation is another story :P 09:00 kaeza and you know, lest you-know-who come in and say "it's hacky" :P 09:01 kaeza OTOH, Taoki[laptop] supposedly was already working on this 09:01 VanessaE you-know-who can make all the "it's hacky" claims he wants, but if there's no other way to do it, and it works well and performs well, then hack it. 09:08 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Friday! :-D 09:08 Calinou friday? 09:08 * Calinou goes trolling on random websites 09:08 kaeza JamesTait, no special holiday? :( 09:09 JamesTait kaeza, I just wanted to see if anyone noticed. ;) 09:09 JamesTait Happy ice Cream Sandwich Day! :-D 09:09 kaeza hehe 09:12 JamesTait I haven't played minetest for a little while myself, but I was watching my boys play it yesterday and I was blown away by how far things appear to have come in the last couple of months. Awesome work, people! 09:13 Jordach JamesTait, well; i drew the player texture you see in minetest_Game 09:14 JamesTait Jordach, what do you use for that? Blender or something? 09:15 Calinou >awesome work >FOSS 09:15 Jordach JamesTait, our game is compatible with minecraft skins, so i used a minecraft skin editor 09:15 Calinou worse than that 09:15 Calinou >freenode staff >being positive 09:15 Jordach but yes, i could have used blender 09:15 Jordach >2013 >calinou forgot the 2013 bit 09:16 Calinou it's 2014, Jordach. 09:16 Jordach (the skinner is FOSS, but it's written in .net) 09:17 kaeza >2014 >.net 09:17 Jordach JamesTait, http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/blender-render-test-2/ 09:18 RealBadAngel JamesTait, thx, we are tryin to do our best 09:22 JamesTait Jordach, minetest can use minecraft skins? 09:22 Jordach yes 09:22 JamesTait Jordach, I had no idea! 09:22 JamesTait I probably won't tell the boys that though, there will be arguing about which skin to use. :-P 09:23 Jordach JamesTait, install zeg9's skins mod 09:23 Jordach theres a few skins in that they can pick from 09:23 JamesTait Then again, they've probably already figured it out. 09:23 Jordach heh 09:23 Jordach i'm the creative side of minetest for creating media 09:24 JamesTait The last time I did any kind of modelling was with POVray for my degree about 15 years ago. 09:24 * Jordach remembers POVray 09:25 JamesTait I probably still have the animation I created somewhere. 09:29 Jordach heh - brb 09:31 VanessaE night al 09:31 VanessaE all* 09:32 VanessaE I/O error reading /dev/brain: device not ready 09:32 JamesTait :) 09:32 JamesTait 'night VanessaE! 09:35 Exio4 VanessaE: file not found* here 09:37 Jordach C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\brain not found 09:37 RealBadAngel it must be rainy in germany 09:37 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 09:37 Jordach thundering here 09:38 RealBadAngel mushrooms are growing ;) 09:38 RealBadAngel hi Pa 09:38 PilzAdam its like 30°C and sunny outside :-/ 09:38 Jordach lol; 22°C here 09:38 RealBadAngel so how could it happen you grew up? :) 09:38 PenguinDad PilzAdam same here 09:39 Jordach PilzAdam, you can come over for a visit 09:39 * RealBadAngel is listenin to Mercury Rain 09:39 Jordach 8 centigrade cooler is nicer 09:39 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103366#p103366 wat 09:40 Jordach SHIT 09:40 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjHNPzv9sGY 09:40 Jordach lightning 09:40 Jordach i'm disconnecting ethernet + thunder = dead pc 09:41 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, looks like bot's post 09:42 PilzAdam !op 09:42 RealBadAngel idiots 09:42 PilzAdam MinetestBot? 09:43 PilzAdam thats markv, btw 09:43 Calinou lol 09:44 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, have you get used to fact we gonna go public and press? :) 09:44 PilzAdam I still dont care 09:45 RealBadAngel hehe but i bet you gonna see the changes 09:45 thexyz PilzAdam: why did you ban him? 09:46 PilzAdam thexyz, he was already banned, but changed his nick 09:46 PilzAdam also he was annyoing as usual 09:46 thexyz why was he already banned? 09:46 PilzAdam he is constantly offtopic and floods the channel with bot commands 09:47 thexyz alright 09:52 thexyz is he on drugs? 10:10 kaeza PilzAdam, "android phone" 10:10 PilzAdam hm? 10:10 kaeza the post 10:10 kaeza [url=...][color=#000000] 10:18 artur99 3004 is on? 10:18 PilzAdam hah 10:19 artur99 *30004 10:19 PilzAdam artur99, that question doesnt make any sense 10:20 artur99 Is minetest.org with the port 30004 on? 10:20 PilzAdam !up minetest.org 30004 10:21 MinetestBot minetest.org:30004 seems to be down 10:21 artur99 !up europe.minetest.org 30000 10:21 MinetestBot europe.minetest.org:30000 seems to be down 10:22 kaeza artur99, OldCoder is still working on bringing his servers up 10:22 artur99 !seen OldCoder 10:22 MinetestBot artur99: Sorry, I haven't seen oldcoder around. 10:23 artur99 where can i find a tutorial with How to make a minetest server with hamachi? 10:25 PilzAdam has anyone heard of distro called "ALT Linux"? 10:25 Calinou no 10:25 Jordach link or fake and gay 10:26 PilzAdam I got an email from a package maintainer that says I should add a link to their Minetest package to minetest.net/downloads 10:27 artur99 !seen ruskie 10:27 MinetestBot artur99: ruskie was last seen at 2013-08-02 06:27:03 UTC on #minetest 10:28 Jordach !seen ChanServ 10:28 MinetestBot Jordach: Sorry, I haven't seen chanserv around. 10:29 Jordach bullshit. 10:29 artur99 how is that bot set? 10:32 artur99 1 error: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3a%2f%2fminetest%2enet%2fstart 10:35 PenguinDad !title 10:35 MinetestBot PenguinDad: [Invalid] Markup Validation of http://minetest.net/start - W3C Markup Validator 10:36 kahrl why does https://minetest.net/ use a certificate for *.nfshost.com? 10:36 kahrl it shows a certificate warning in firefox 10:36 PilzAdam the certificate should be valid 10:36 PilzAdam (no warnings for me) 10:37 Jordach nfshost.com = https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/ 10:41 PenguinDad kahrl i get the same warning 10:41 Jordach fuck me: kaeza weighs more than me :) 10:41 Zeg9 ^ me too 10:42 Zeg9 ^^ 10:43 artur99 how to set a port for hamachi? 10:43 artur99 i made a network, but idk how to set the port and how to see the ip 10:45 Zeg9 artur99, why do you want to use hamachi... 10:52 PenguinDad Hello daswort 10:54 jin_xi trying to make a schem, but wtf does that mean: in the order of [z [y [x]]]. 10:55 kahrl jin_xi: you have three nested loops: the outer loops on z, the mid loops on y, the inner loops on x 10:56 Jordach hey Evergreen 10:56 jin_xi im making a very small schematic and am writing it out by hand... 10:57 kahrl jin_xi: e.g. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/mapgen.cpp#L781 10:57 Evergreen Hi jordacg 10:58 jin_xi thanks, will study 11:04 Jordach Evergreen, pavel style joints almost done 11:04 Evergreen Yay! :D 11:04 Jordach i need to re weight paint the arms and legs 11:07 Jordach they bend LIKE pavel's arms, but not exactly 11:07 * Jordach wants to keep the Taoki[laptop]'s model bone structure 11:12 reactor Ahoy! 11:15 Jordach arms / legs done 11:15 Evergreen :D 11:16 Evergreen I really want to learn how to use blender. I suppose that could be something to do for the next year 11:16 reactor So the new models aren't gonna be compatible with minecraft skins? 11:17 Jordach reactor, these models are for animation 11:18 reactor mk 11:18 Jordach not fucking game use; although they can and will work in minetest without issues 11:18 reactor mk 11:18 Jordach s/mk/mortal kombat. 11:19 drizz reactor: I hate you ;_; 11:19 drizz 13:19:07 Highlights: 11:19 drizz 13:19:07 1 mk -full 11:19 reactor I mean mkay. 11:19 reactor *ahem* 11:19 drizz it's my nickname on all other networks :< 11:19 reac There. 11:20 reac drizz: I couldn't come up with anything more original. 11:20 artur99 I made a hamachi server, i connected to it, i made the server file, i opened it, than i started minetest 11:20 reactor So I stole your nick. 11:20 reactor So I can pretend I am you. 11:20 drizz reactor: I mean 'mk' is my nick :p 11:20 reactor Oh. 11:20 drizz and I get highlighted every time you type it, heh 11:21 reactor I thought you mean reactor. 11:21 reactor I mean, mk 11:21 reactor :D 11:21 reactor >:D 11:21 drizz ;_; 11:21 Jordach mortal kombat! 11:21 reactor Jordach is ethernet. 11:21 drizz Mikkel Kroman! 11:21 Jordach reactor is reactor 11:21 Jordach it blow up when no cool 11:21 reactor Hi. I was wondering, what kind of ethernet are you? Thinnet or thicknet? 11:21 reactor :D 11:22 reactor s/are you/you are/ 11:25 EvergreenTree I'm a tree now 11:25 Evergreen Now I'm not 11:25 Evergreen x) 11:25 Calinou cool story 11:25 reactor Jordach: I am not a reactor. 11:25 Jordach bro, needs more dragons 11:26 Calinou needs more penguins 11:26 reactor Neither am I GLaDOS. 11:26 Jordach with bowties 11:27 reactor Penguins are fat. 11:27 reactor We need more daemons. 11:28 Calinou or more ponies 11:28 Jordach say nay if you dont want ponies 11:29 reactor they're fat, too 11:29 reactor so nay 11:30 reactor Whatever the hidden meaning was in Jordach's suggestion. 11:52 reactor Jordach: why not proceed to telling me the hidden meaning? 12:00 kaeza [07:24:42] *** Xxcorentin59xX joined the game 12:00 kaeza Calinou, ^ 12:01 Calinou lol 12:02 kaeza also, random: playing with doubly-linked lists is fun 12:02 kaeza more so if you remove the tail, and make the new tail pointer point to tail->next 12:11 BlockMen has someone an idea why this dont work? -> http://pastie.org/private/aqxwct2vwerbhczxmkmfrg 12:12 mark__ any staff here? 12:13 mark__ anyone? 12:14 JamesTait Hi mark__ 12:14 mark__ are you staff? 12:14 mark__ and hi sorry my manners 12:14 mark__ :P 12:14 JamesTait Jordach, I finally got around to watching your rendertest video. Nice! :) 12:15 JamesTait mark__, how can I help you? 12:15 JamesTait mark__, I am staff, yes. 12:15 Calinou read: run now! 12:15 mark__ i was wondering if i could record minetest and try to get more people to download the game 12:16 reactor mihan: You can. 12:16 reactor Oops 12:16 reactor mark__: You can. 12:16 reactor There are lots of screen capture programs around. 12:16 mark__ ok thanks 12:16 JamesTait mark__, as in record a video of you playing it? 12:16 mark__ i know 12:16 Calinou depends on your OS 12:16 mark__ ive recorded minecraft and alot of other games before 12:16 Calinou sadly, noone really attempted to make a FOSS video recorder on windows, they always want a share (money) of the pie (people recording videos) 12:16 Calinou you could try VLC 12:17 mark__ i have a good computer so :D 12:17 reactor Winblows. 12:17 Calinou (yes, it can record videos) 12:17 reactor Why not install a good OS? 12:17 mark__ anyways im gonna go record it :D 12:17 Calinou well, tell that to him 12:17 BlockMen Calinou, it is possible for free -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6VR_OliBUs :P 12:17 reactor mark__: install a quality OS. That's it. 12:17 mark__ i dont need to 12:17 mark__ i have a good computer 12:17 reactor Stop letting M$ put their stuff up your butt. 12:18 mark__ ive recorded alot of games before 12:18 reactor Seriously. 12:18 reactor Also, Windows doesn't let you unleash all the power. 12:18 Calinou BlockMen: piracy is abd 12:18 Calinou bad* 12:18 reactor It bogs your machine down with bloat. 12:18 Calinou you don't make people switch OS like that, reactor :P 12:18 mark__ i get 60 fps when recording minetest so im good :P 12:18 BlockMen why piracy? its freeware 12:18 Calinou BlockMen: which software it is then? 12:19 BlockMen let me look up, i havent used for a time 12:20 mark__ are there any mobs in mine test i havent seen any yet 12:20 BlockMen i think it was "AutoScreenRecorder 3.1 Free" 12:20 Evergreen mark__: No, there are no mobs 12:20 Evergreen There are mob mods however 12:20 mark__ kk 12:21 BlockMen Calinou, got it from there -> http://www.chip.de/downloads/AutoScreenRecorder_17623450.html 12:21 mark__ what does the copper do i need to know before i start recording :P 12:22 Evergreen If anyone is looking for a good screen recorder for ubuntu, simplescreenrecorder is great. I might upload a sample to tinypic or something so you can see 12:22 Calinou inb4 lol, Ubuntu is bloat. 12:22 Calinou :P 12:22 reactor mark__: to any newer wversion of Windows, your computer is a toaster 12:22 reactor believe you me 12:22 reactor And don't go for Ubuntu 12:22 reactor Pure Debian will do for you 12:23 Calinou Xubuntu is fine, though 12:23 reactor Maybe 12:23 reactor haven't tried 12:23 reactor can't say 12:23 Calinou reactor: also windows 8 is lightweight 12:23 Evergreen I know that ubuntu is bloated, but I still like it none the less 12:23 reactor It's not. 12:23 Calinou debian 1) doesn't come with firmware by default 2) has outdated software (jessie is better in that regard, may want to use it) 12:23 reactor Calinou: it's still 30 GB on the disk. Come on. 12:23 mark__ reactor i think im good with 60fps i can record battlefield with 115 fps and minecraft with around 110 so i think im good 12:23 Evergreen I am looking into xubuntu though 12:23 Calinou reactor: more lightweight than win7 ;) 12:23 reactor mark__: you would get 80 fps on linux 12:23 reactor but in a native game 12:23 reactor eh 12:23 Calinou reactor: it doesn't work like that 12:23 mark__ well ive got 60 fps with mintest so thats good enough 12:23 Calinou in case of nvidia card: FPS are more or less the same 12:23 reactor try compiling something in Windows and in UNIX on the same machine 12:23 Calinou in case of AMD card: slightly lower FPS 12:24 Calinou in case of intel: same thing 12:24 Evergreen I recently tried windows 8 and it boots up inlike 5 seconds. Even though I am not planning on switching 12:24 reactor Calinou: GPU is not everything 12:24 Calinou you're usually not CPU limited 12:24 reactor if CPU is busy with all this automatical stuff Windows does in background, it's gonna be slow, too 12:24 Calinou Evergreen: fun fact about windows 8: it boots quicker because OEMs, by default, disable... SMART checking. 12:24 reactor Windows eats a lot of cpu eh. 12:24 Calinou means, you win 2 to 3 seconds of boot time but can't check your drive's health 12:25 reactor Ha. 12:25 reactor I need to work on my suggestion. 12:25 reactor -_- 12:39 jin_xi ugh, so you really have to pass the roatation param for placing schematics as a string? "0" ? srs? gtfo 12:39 reactor so 12:39 reactor does mipmapping speed up or slow down? 12:40 Evergreen Here is the link to a sample of simplescreenrecorder (and a little firefly mod I was working on). Also, the quality is kind of messed up because of tinypic, so it looks different on my computer. http://tinypic.com/r/30b2xxw/5 12:40 PilzAdam reactor, it slows things down 12:40 reactor mk 12:40 reactor I thought it was supposed to speed up, as in, don't have to draw big texture in the distance 12:42 kaeza lol OS wars 12:42 Evergreen Can someone say what they think of my sample video? :P 12:42 reactor kaeza: it's important to fight for users, especially if your OS is fading into obscurity 12:42 Evergreen Or am I interrupting you OS war 12:42 Evergreen *our 12:42 reactor Evergreen: link? 12:43 Evergreen I just posted it 12:43 reactor Sorry. 12:43 Evergreen Look up 12:43 kaeza reactor, I don't fucking want you to fight for me, and I bet neither does mark__ 12:43 reactor Evergreen: how long ago? 12:43 Evergreen At 8:40 12:43 reactor kaeza: I was kidding. 12:43 kaeza ._. 12:43 Evergreen Honestly, it's right on top of us 12:43 reactor oh but it's a picture 12:43 Evergreen No it isn't 12:44 reactor AIght. 12:44 Evergreen It is a video 12:44 Evergreen Tinypic allows you to upload videos 12:44 Evergreen *yawn* I'm going to be leaving soon 12:44 reactor black screen, maybe I don't have enough bandwidth 12:45 Evergreen Idk 12:45 Evergreen I may just upload it to youtube later, and make it unlisted 12:45 jin_xi ok, so making streets with schematics is a lot faster than using ltrees. 12:45 Evergreen I gotta go, cya 12:45 reactor night 12:45 reactor hmm 12:46 reactor gat_flash_videos doesn't hit it, either 12:46 reactor or... it does. 12:46 Calinou v 12:46 reactor or it doesn't... no 12:46 Calinou does mipmapping speed up or slow down? 12:46 Calinou generally, speed up 12:47 reactor oh, so have to experiment 12:47 nolan_ i have used it, and it seemed to speed up a bit maybe 3-6 FPS, and it made blocks kinda blurry - ish 12:47 reactor strange 12:48 reactor nolan_: sure it's not texture filtering? 12:48 reactor I thought it was the bilinear that makes them so 12:48 reactor Disabling it helped. 12:48 nolan_ i have always just had everything off except preload item visual, i wondered what the others did really so i tested, thats what mi-mapping did for me 12:49 nolan_ mip-mapping* 12:49 Calinou however, using anisotropic filtering will be slower than no filtering 12:49 reactor also 12:49 reactor what would cause textures of some objects to be shifted? 12:50 reactor as with the doors on my screenshot some days ago 12:50 nolan_ I'm not sure, i just know it made blocks seem to have a blurr 12:50 reactor it seems to happen only in Burningsvideo 12:50 reactor nolan_: I'm talking about different problem 12:50 nolan_ and yea the texture changed, but very slightly and Oh 12:50 reactor but blur in my case was caused by biilinear 12:51 PilzAdam reactor, why would you use burningsvide? 12:51 nolan_ it was mip-mapping, i even tested it 12:51 reactor PilzAdam: NVIDIA are assholes. 12:51 reactor I'm not getting any drivers under NetBSD. 12:51 PilzAdam no 12:52 reactor I mean, I would like to, but they didn't release them. 12:52 PilzAdam get a proper distro that supports the proprietary drivers 12:52 reactor After all... why not, I have enough CPU to burn the Burning's. 12:52 Calinou enough CPU? 12:53 Calinou even a 3960X won't run OA on 1920×1080 at 30 FPS 12:53 reactor Who needs that much. 12:53 reactor I can't tell pixels apart with 1024x768, why would I care? 12:53 reactor Not everyone has eniper eyes eh. 12:53 reactor Besides, I do usually run games in a window. 12:53 reactor Say, 640x480 12:53 nolan_ i have eniper eyes :) 12:54 Calinou you have a very small screen then, and very low standards 12:54 Calinou people have been waiting 1440p/1600p or even 2160p for years 12:54 reactor I have high standards for unbloatedness of the OS. 12:54 reactor And I like how NetBSD comes barebone. 12:54 reactor So I don't need to deinstall default stuff to install what I want. 12:55 reactor Time is too valuable, why waste it on uninstalling shit? 12:55 Calinou uninstalling is often quicker 12:55 reactor Besides, I don't play games that much anymore, and I definitely don't need damn photorealism. 12:56 reactor I might play half an hour, why force myself to use another OS then? 12:56 * Jordach hands reactor a copy of Sims 3 12:56 PilzAdam reactor, then dont complain about the OS not having features 12:56 reactor PilzAdam: it's not the OS not having features. 12:57 reactor It's the assholes who make their stuff closed and don't support OSes. 12:57 PilzAdam there are open OSes that support nvidia drivers 12:57 PilzAdam this its a problem of your OS 12:57 reactor Besides, eh. We seem to have gone too far away from the initial talk. 12:57 PilzAdam *thus 12:58 reactor you know, can't make FreeBSD modules work on the NetBSD kernel. 12:58 Calinou blame BSDs for not being unified then :P 12:59 Calinou reactor: lots of OSS don't support netbsd either 12:59 reactor I can't care to learn another OS if this one does its job just fine, running 24/7. 12:59 reactor Calinou: so what, patch it, compile it 12:59 reactor and it's called pkgsrc 13:00 Calinou still requires finding out dependencies and hope they're on NetBSD, and bothering about it 13:00 PilzAdam reactor, apparently it doesnt do its job fine if it doesnt support the tasks you want to do 13:00 reactor Calinou: only for the package manintainer 13:00 reactor it's all automated and polished for the end user 13:00 reactor you just need CPU time 13:00 reactor PilzAdam: I don't do gaming 24/7 13:00 PilzAdam but you do play games 13:00 Calinou "bloat", a meaningless word since 2010. 13:01 Calinou bloat is a necessary bad thing to fit beginner users' needs 13:01 reactor I don't play them enough to care for big screens and photorealism. 13:01 reactor who said people shouldn't learn to use computers? 13:01 PilzAdam you seem to care enough to discuss it in this channel 13:01 reactor In order to do something right, you need to RTFM. 13:01 reactor If you don't RTFM, GTFO. 13:01 reactor PilzAdam: true that. 13:01 Calinou it doesn't work like that, you should also be able to figure out by yourself without RTFM 13:01 reactor But eh. 13:02 Calinou in well-designed software you can do that 13:02 reactor I'm trying to repair burningsvideo, what's wrong? 13:02 reactor no way, Calinou 13:02 Calinou I'm wondering, how many FPS do you get? 13:02 reactor you surely can use windows notepad 13:02 reactor or ms paint 13:02 Calinou no, both suck 13:02 reactor not vi 13:02 reactor not emacs 13:02 PilzAdam reactor, its cool if you can fix it, but dont bother others with it 13:02 Calinou vi is overrated actually 13:02 PilzAdam vim for the win 13:03 reactor PilzAdam: I don't bother anyone. If you don't want to be bothered, don't answer. 13:03 thexyz Calinou: yeah, vim is better 13:03 reactor it's you who started this "what's the point of X" talk. 13:04 reactor Calinou: vim is a superset of vi, duh. 13:04 Calinou same thing 13:04 reactor I don't give a fuck WHAT vi it is. I mean vi in GENERAL. 13:04 reactor It's a handy editor. 13:05 Jordach !kick reactor can we stop the fuckin kernel war, can we? 13:05 khonkhortisan general gvim 13:05 PilzAdam Jordach, wtf 13:05 khonkhortisan we didn't get to kernels yet 13:05 Jordach PilzAdam, too close 13:05 Jordach we've spiralled before over this 13:05 PilzAdam reactor, there was no reason for a kick 13:06 PilzAdam *Jordach 13:06 reactor Meh. 13:06 reactor I have only mentioned kernel once. 13:06 khonkhortisan but we have to spiral first 13:06 reactor But let's stop it anyway, shall we? 13:06 Jordach i was referring to this pointless flame 13:06 Jordach war* 13:06 PilzAdam Jordach, there was no war 13:06 Jordach it's also off-topic 13:06 PilzAdam (yet) 13:06 PilzAdam Jordach, offtopic is allowed 13:07 Jordach not in primary single # channels 13:07 PilzAdam read our channel rules 13:07 reactor Define flame. 13:07 Jordach it burns 13:07 reactor I thought flaming involved ad hominem. 13:07 Jordach it also uses oxygen to burn a material 13:07 Jordach thats flame :) 13:07 reactor And other dirty play. 13:07 khonkhortisan it creates ashes 13:08 reactor And our discussion was completely logical, I think. 13:08 khonkhortisan after the ad hominem, it involves ad baculum. 13:08 reactor Cheers! 13:09 PilzAdam Jordach, the kick was not right, dont do it again 13:09 reactor The only object I've offended is NVIDIA, by which I actually mean "I don't like them for X and X". 13:10 nolan_ Jordach is always right Adam 13:10 khonkhortisan I use nvidia, and I've lost my display after an upgrade because of having a partial second kernel install. I haven't found a good reason to dislike them. 13:10 Calinou even with a xorg-edgers provided driver, I can update my kernel and it'll still work 13:10 reactor So I get it profits of mipmapping depend on the case? 13:11 Calinou generally, you'll always benefit from it 13:11 reactor mk 13:11 drizz reactor: (ʘωʘ) 13:11 reactor Sorry, man. 13:11 reactor I mean, ok. 13:11 reactor drizz: the nick "mk" is free here. 13:12 reactor Why don't you use it? 13:12 drizz I think it's registered 13:12 Guest8599 15:12:41 NickServ(NickServ@services.) Nick mk is already registered to mk. 13:12 Guest8599 :< 13:13 reactor drizz: ask on #freenode 13:14 reactor if it's old enough, they'll remove it 13:14 reactor that's how I got the "aperturescience" one. 13:14 thexyz Jordach: can you stop kicking people for no reason? 13:15 reactor Kicking. Hmm. 13:15 reactor Anal reference? As in, they do usually kick butts in real life. 13:15 reactor Kidding. 13:16 Jordach thexyz, i wanted to break the software argument up 13:17 PilzAdam loool "cause i can play only @ work, cause on my home PC the game won't run (GF 5200, Athlon 1800, 512 ram)" https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103390#p103390 13:17 BlockMen reworking inventory -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/2x1iyfx5vjaqoq7/inv_rework-dev.png 13:17 reactor PilzAdam: Windows? 13:17 BlockMen with mouse hover and useable backgrounds :) 13:17 BlockMen *so far 13:18 reactor 1800 mhz 13:18 reactor hah 13:18 reactor could try my wicked way 13:19 reactor and get about the same framerate 13:19 Calinou GirlFriend 5200? Jordach would be jealous. :P 13:19 drizz hm 13:19 drizz 15:19:35 2 #minetest: ALL -full -pattern mk 13:19 drizz reactor: could you try and highlight me? 13:19 reactor mk mkmkmkmkmk 13:20 jin_xi ok road with pathfinding and schematics: http://i.imgur.com/s4DTlv8.jpg 13:20 reactor gee force 13:20 jin_xi works quite well, still need to calculate appropriate angle for spawning schems along road segments 13:21 jin_xi anyways, later y'all 13:22 BlockMen jin_xi, seems here is nobody interested in features :\ 13:23 Calinou nobody interested in features? 13:23 Calinou jin_xi: "dynamic" road building? sounds cool 13:23 reactor no feature creep... pretty good! 13:24 PenguinDad The road thing is really awesome 13:24 Calinou feature creep is ogod 13:24 Calinou it's what makes software popular 13:24 reactor it's what kills it 13:24 Calinou reactor: there are no reasons not to add features, contrary to common belief. 13:24 reactor because "bloat" is one of the stages of a dead body decomposition! 13:24 Calinou "simplistic" things die sooner or later 13:24 Calinou look at the early days of minetest, it was considered a cheap minecraft clone 13:24 reactor Everything dies sooner or later. 13:25 reactor So that's not a good argument. 13:25 reactor Bloated software prevents the real speed from growing, consuming it. 13:26 Calinou bloat doesn't mean slowness, actually 13:26 Calinou an unloaded feature only takes a bit of disk space 13:26 Calinou (a really small bit) 13:26 Calinou look at AssaultCube, the game might be 45MB, but it looks ugly, and you can't even make multi-floor levels. 13:27 reactor Look at a fat man walking into a local fast-food. 13:28 reactor He's big, hardly fitting the door. Does he do much? 13:28 Jordach yes; he's coding minetest 13:28 Calinou lol 13:28 reactor He can barely miracle his ass to the fast food. 13:29 reactor Can't keep games minimal. But can keep basic systems minimal. 13:29 reactor Splitting stuff, making it modular is always the way. 13:30 reactor Why the hell should an operating system be 30 GB big? 13:30 reactor Why not ship it barebone, and let the user decide what they need? 13:30 * BlockMen wonders why ppl here just react when they can contradict /me 13:30 reactor Because there are no two people with exactly the same needs. 13:30 Jordach reactor, take computer science THEN complain 13:31 Jordach you are using general purpose software written to cover every test case 13:31 Calinou deciding what you need takes time, and is confusing to newbies 13:31 reactor Jordach: Moore's law is killed by new releases of Windows, basically. 13:31 Calinou I do agree with eg. ubiquity asking for which software to install (eg. web browser), but it takes like 2 minutes to remove a web browser than install another. 13:31 Calinou reactor: moore's law is already dead 13:31 reactor all the windows computers I've seen are _crawling_. 13:31 Jordach in that time i can already make a drink 13:31 Calinou if you followed hardware a bit, it's dead in many places :P 13:32 Jordach reactor, my pc is fast enough 13:32 reactor cheers for you 13:32 reactor but bad news: it's gonna be a toaster to the new Windows, say, Windows 9. 13:32 Jordach reactor, i'm using a pentium 4 and it's fast enough 13:32 Calinou even windows 8.1 is lighter than vista :P 13:33 Jordach fun fact: 7 uses 1% less ram then vista does on this pc 13:33 reactor as for newbies not deciding... well, why are indecisive people allowed to live? 13:33 Calinou people are scared when they have to make decisions, fact of life 13:34 reactor the faster you decide, the sooner the fear is relieved 13:35 thexyz > what browser would you like to install? > what is a browser, do i need it, which is the best, plz halp 13:38 thexyz also, tldr what's your problem? no one stops you from using *bsd or whatever you wish 13:38 Jordach no-one's forcing me to use linux 13:39 reactor How did we get there again? 13:39 Jordach (i do have a image of RMS pointing a gun to someone's head telling them to use it) 13:40 thexyz yeah, so what's the argument about? 13:41 thexyz don't use it if you don't like it, do use if you like it 13:41 Peacock fascinating 13:41 Peacock there should be a channel just for this sort of discussion :p 13:42 thexyz see, it's not obvious at all! 13:44 reactor good idea, Peacock 13:49 Peacock i dont suppose anyone here is familiar with network sound on linux? 13:49 OldCoder Hi. Who rang? 13:50 OldCoder *scroll* 13:50 OldCoder Well, that looks like a lively discussion 13:50 Peacock hehe 13:52 PilzAdam VanessaE, there should be an HDX-512 download for minetest_game mods only 13:55 kaeza uhh... +0.5 13:56 kaeza would be a good idea to recommend TP authors to provide such a package IMHO 13:57 PilzAdam I like how sphax has additional downloads for mods 14:00 PilzAdam lol "ETA 2h 18m" 14:01 PilzAdam I guess nobody has ever downloaded HSX-512 14:01 PilzAdam *HDX 14:14 PenguinDad PilzAdam I have HDX-512 14:14 * OldCoder will return 14:14 PilzAdam PenguinDad, is it up-to date with current git? 14:15 PenguinDad Yes 14:15 PilzAdam can you upload a minetest_game version of it somewhere? 14:16 PilzAdam if not then I just wait for VanessaE 14:16 PenguinDad PilzAdam do you mean with current git, the current git of minetest_game? 14:16 PilzAdam no, the current git of HDX 14:18 PenguinDad PilzAdam I would upload it but today is my Internet to slow. 14:30 reactor So eh. 14:30 reactor is it possible to make Minetest link dynamically against Irrlicht? 14:30 PilzAdam reactor, thats what is done by default 14:31 reactor Strange. 14:44 PenguinDad Final: you are german right? 14:45 Final Yep. 14:45 PenguinDad Final do you #minetest-de ? 14:45 PenguinDad *know 14:46 Final Nope. 14:46 Final I usually stay out of German channels. They creep me out. 14:56 reactor Wunderwaffles 14:59 PenguinDad http://waffle.io 15:04 reactor PilzAdam: has cmake got any means to specify the kind of linking to use? 15:04 reactor or is it done by passing CFLAGS? 15:04 reactor Oh, I mean, LDFLAGS. 15:05 kaeza maybe specifying directly the IRRLICHT_LIBRARY and IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR? 15:09 reactor I did specify them 15:09 reactor hmm 15:10 reactor oh I didn't specify the LIBRARY thing 15:10 reactor just the include 15:10 reactor may that be the case? 15:13 kaeza try? 15:14 PilzAdam reactor, I dont know cmake very well 15:14 reactor I don't know it even worse. 15:14 reactor It's still a question to me why they didn't use make. 15:15 reactor gmake* 15:15 PilzAdam "they"? 15:15 kaeza do not confuse cmake with make 15:15 kaeza they are completely different things 15:16 kaeza cmake is kinda like the `configure' script 15:17 kaeza while `make' is... well, `make' 15:25 reactor I get that. 15:29 reactor I mean, why not use a configure script? 15:29 PilzAdam cmake _is_ a configure script 15:30 PenguinDad PilzAdam reactor means the ./configure script 15:31 PenguinDad reactor: cmake creates ninja files, autotools configure scripts not 15:39 svuorela anyone said cmake ? 15:40 svuorela reactor: -DCMAKE_SHARED_LINKER_FLAGS= 15:40 svuorela or -DCMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS depending on what you are building 15:40 VanessaE PilzAdam: with or without normalmaps? 15:40 PilzAdam VanessaE, with 15:40 VanessaE ok 15:42 mitori hello everyone 15:42 PilzAdam hey mitori 15:42 reactor uh 15:43 Calinou hi mitori 15:43 reactor well 15:43 reactor hmm 15:44 reactor Turns out all I needed is define IRRLICHT_LIBRARY 15:45 mitori pilzadam and everyone else caught up in development process: can you tell me when the next stable mt will come out? 15:46 PilzAdam something very soon-ish 15:46 PenguinDad Coming Real Soon :P 15:46 mitori more particular? 15:46 PilzAdam mitori, I think we should pack more games than minetest_game and minimal, would be cool if you could provide a release of dwarves if you want to 15:46 Jordach technic game too 15:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: I'll prepare a release in a couple minutes 15:47 PilzAdam VanessaE, kk 15:47 mitori sure! 15:47 reactor Also... uh. 15:47 reactor -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 15:47 reactor and still share and user path are ".." 15:47 mitori just when fo you need it? i have one more thing i want to tweak 15:47 mitori do* 15:48 PilzAdam a week? maybe 2? 15:48 mitori awesome 15:48 mitori enoigh time 15:48 mitori derp. enough* 15:50 PenguinDad Fun Fact: The most forked repo on Github is by Twitter 15:54 svuorela bootstrap ? 15:54 Calinou inb4 bootstrap 15:54 PenguinDad svuorela: yes 15:54 Calinou inafter bootstrap 16:10 VanessaE PilzAdam: uploading the release now - should be complete, might have a few extra things that aren't needed by default, but them's the breaks :P 16:11 VanessaE s/default/the vanilla engine and minetest_game/ 16:14 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/HDX_512px.zip 16:14 VanessaE ~128 MB 16:27 kaeza random: anyone with experience using gettext? 16:30 Calinou for what? 16:33 kaeza well, for translating :P 16:33 kaeza what else? 16:33 * sfan5 uses gettext for connecting to the internet 16:34 kaeza lol 16:34 kaeza anyway 16:34 VanessaE bbl 16:36 kaeza suppose I have a given file es.po, whose strings have already been translated; now I add (a lot of) new translatable strings to the source, and regenerate the .pot template with xgettext 16:37 kaeza is there a way to tell gettext "insert only the new strings into es.po"? 16:38 kaeza hmm... maybe → #gettext ? 16:38 kaeza no such channel ._. 16:39 kaeza anyway, unimportant ATM 17:37 sfan5 Currently online: 37 guests, 13 registered users 17:37 sfan5 ^ wow 17:42 pitriss please can someone explain to me this file: https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/moretrees/master/tree_biomes.txt ? Firts column is tree name, second is height where it grows, third temperature needed and next ones are not clean to me.. 17:43 pitriss for example nearness to some node (water) and nearness to water.. why there are 2 different values? 17:44 PilzAdam maybe "nearby water" is the minimal number of nodes required? 17:45 PilzAdam (just a wild guess) 17:45 PilzAdam VanessaE, ? 17:45 PilzAdam *water nodes 17:46 pitriss PilzAdam: maybe.. i just want to understand this file:) It may be useful:) 17:48 sfan5 http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1jkkk4/hardcoded_bluetooth_pin_vulnerability_in_lixil/cbfmd7c 17:56 PenguinDad sfan5 oh no somebody hacked my toilet :) 17:56 sfan5 exactly 17:57 Miner_48er is there a mac build or would that have to be compiled from source? 17:57 PilzAdam there are outdated builds 17:58 Miner_48er how outdated? 17:58 PilzAdam 0.4.4 IIRC 17:58 Arkmabat Hey how would I spawn a mob at a specified corrdinate ingame 17:58 Calinou PilzAdam: 0.4.5 17:58 PilzAdam Arkmabat, /spawnentity spawns it at your position 17:58 PilzAdam Arkmabat, or do you mean in a mod? 17:59 Arkmabat In game thanks 17:59 Miner_48er stable or daily? 17:59 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5376 17:59 Arkmabat Easier than I thought it would be lol 18:47 artur99 i cant download from github 18:47 artur99 it gives me an wrror 18:47 artur99 *error 18:47 artur99 i tryed on every browser 18:48 artur99 where can i find the last version of pipeworks and of technic mod 18:48 artur99 ? 18:51 kaeza on github :P 18:55 artur99 kaeza i cant iuse github 18:55 artur99 *use 18:55 pitriss artur99: you can use git directly:) 18:55 PenguinDad artur99 if you can't download from github clone the repo :P 18:55 artur99 how to do that? 18:55 artur99 and how to do that? 18:56 pitriss artur99: http://msysgit.github.io/ //windows version, or in case you are suing linux, install git from your distributions repository 18:57 pitriss after instalation do git clone 18:57 artur99 Miner_48er, what is the CTCP version? 18:57 kaeza suing linux? nice way of misspelling :P 18:57 pitriss *using :D 18:57 pitriss kaeza: I should learn how to type:D 18:58 pitriss btw don't worry I'm not SCO :D 18:58 kaeza heh 18:59 Miner_48er client to client protocol 19:00 artur99 and what is that? 19:01 sfan5 what? 19:01 kaeza that! 19:04 Miner_48er http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client-to-client_protocol 19:08 * NekoGloop bites VanessaE 19:21 PenguinDad Aaaand the net is splitted. 19:27 nalkri I didn't do it 19:27 Jordach nope.avi 19:41 sfan5 GODDAMNIT! it took me THREE days to realize I didn't malloc enough memory 19:42 sfan5 THREE F**KING DAYS 19:43 sokomine it's the heat. hard to concentrate 19:43 VanessaE PilzAdam: that's correct - "nearby water" = number of water nodes within the "nearness to some node" radius 19:43 VanessaE NekoGloop: ow. 19:43 * sfan5 wants to throw something out of the window 19:43 * NekoGloop prepares to be thrown out the window 19:44 * VanessaE throws NekoGloop out sfan5's window 19:44 * sokomine hands a ventilator to sfan5 19:45 sfan5 thx 19:45 sokomine (if people get thrown out of windows, will windows get non-walkable?) 19:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: before I left, I forgot to mention, there are other sizes of HDX as release ZIPs now too. same path, HDX_{16|32|64|128|256}px.zip 19:48 sfan5 PilzAdam: btw, I don't host my minetest builds on my computer 20:08 sfan5 wow! the github people are fast, as soon as I notice a problem 1 min later status.github.com already says "investigating issues" 20:08 * ShadowNinja noticed issues too. 20:08 * PenguinDad noticed these issues too. 20:09 Peacock when it says china under a plate, does it mean it is china, or its from china? XD 20:09 ShadowNinja I think that some protection support should be added to builtin to prevent things like this: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/blob/master/init.lua#L33 20:10 ShadowNinja The question is how to do it. I was thinking of having mods override minetest.can_interact(pos, name), are there any other ideas? 20:13 pitriss VanessaE: please can you explain to me your "tree biome" file?:) 20:14 khonkhortisan fine china made in china 20:15 Peacock i guess when they made this stuff decades ago they couldn't have guessed everything would eventually come from there (or they would have been more precise lol) 20:17 VanessaE pitriss: tree, elevation, temperature you already understood. nearness to some node is a radius (in nodes). "water, 20" means the tree needs to be within 20 nodes of a water source. The Nearby water column is independent, and is a count of nodes. A value of 10 means there must be 10 water nodes within the "Nearness to" radius, regardless of what the "Nearness to" node is 20:17 VanessaE What nodes to spawn on should be obvious :P 20:18 VanessaE perlin seed diff is just for the perlin noise function and controls where on the map stuff can grow, if at all. Those values were partly copied from other sources, and partly just made up. 20:18 VanessaE avoid radius is how many nodes to leave between adjacent trees of any type. 20:19 pitriss ahh thank you! 20:19 sfan5 can someone test this SFX archive? http://sfan5.duckdns.org/minetest-0.4.7-0b77588-win32.exe 20:19 VanessaE the temperature values are based on a perlin function inside of plants_lib, not Minetest's weather system (since that was *just* added and plants_lib has not been updated yet) 20:20 pitriss VanessaE: Okay.. thanks a lot:) 20:21 VanessaE sfan5: ugh, slow download :-/ 20:21 PilzAdam PilzAdam: btw, I don't host my minetest builds on my computer <- yea, I noticed that while looking at the domain 20:28 Peacock someone feel like washing the rest of my dishes? lol 20:28 Calinou nope.avi 20:28 ruskie called a dishwasher ;) 20:29 Peacock poop :-( it rained yesterday and the newspaper ink ran 20:29 Peacock at least im 2/3 of the way through 20:33 sfan5 VanessaE: give me some money for faster internet ;) 20:34 VanessaE doesn't matter, wine in debian is broken anyway 20:34 VanessaE figures. 20:34 sfan5 it doesn't work in wine 20:36 VanessaE there, fixed wine (bad config files) 20:36 VanessaE oh, ok. (fwiw, the error is now, "Could not extract archive: Not an .spk file") 20:37 Calinou >wine in debian >not broken 20:43 reactor miracle 20:43 * reactor smirks 20:47 ShadowNinja VanessaE: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/blob/master/init.lua#L36 <-- HasOwner(, )? 20:47 VanessaE what about it? 20:48 VanessaE oh you mean the syntax of the function? 20:48 ShadowNinja Yes. 20:48 VanessaE yeah, that's all that is 20:49 VanessaE placer as in the object used in things like an on_place callback or so 20:49 Peacock i think im just gonna give some of this stuff to the salvation army, who uses five pitchers? lol 20:49 VanessaE heh 20:50 Peacock so long as i dont give the one i used to scoop cat litter with :/ 20:51 VanessaE a pitcher to scoop litter with? O.o 20:51 Peacock well when you fill it up 20:51 ShadowNinja VanessaE: You should namespace your homedecor functions. So x() --> homedecor.x() 20:51 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I'd planned on doing that actually 20:52 VanessaE just haven't gotten around to it 20:52 sokomine that's a good idea for mods, yes. maybe it ought to get mentioned in lua_api.txt 20:52 sokomine i suspect one strange bug on menches server was caused by namespace problems (placed items didn't get consumed) 20:52 sokomine hmm 20:53 sokomine looks like i can't convince hmmm to do the node replacement for place_schematic :-( 20:53 Peacock do it in a mod 20:53 Peacock the schematics are readalbe? 20:54 ShadowNinja Peacock: No, they are binary. 20:54 sokomine er, the function i'm using reads a file. so i can either change mt's source code or write a temporary file.. 20:54 Peacock you can read binary formats with lua tho 20:55 ShadowNinja sokomine: Of you want to do more advanced things use LuaVoxelManip. 20:55 sokomine they're binaries and readable. sfan5 provided a function to get their size, and that helps to get the node names as well 20:55 Peacock i made the enterprise D map with a binary source 20:55 ShadowNinja Peacock: I thought you meant human-readable. 20:55 sfan5 their specification is in the code somewhere 20:55 sokomine hmm. place_schematic is ideal for what i have in mind. it does place a building/structure at the given coordinates and handles rotation 20:56 sokomine even human-readable to a degree. the nodenames are readable :-) 20:56 Peacock if the nodenames are readable, then they should be easy 'nuf to switch 20:57 sfan5 the rest is readable too, but zlib compressed 20:57 sfan5 you could uncompress it with lua zlib 20:57 sokomine hmmm, yes. i could read the file, change the names, and write it back. it's just so....hmm....inefficient/hacky 20:57 sfan5 sokomine: but it will work 20:57 sokomine no need to do so. i'm fine with the structures as such. i just want to change some of its materials sometimes 20:57 Peacock why write it back? 20:58 sokomine because the api expects either a filename or a table. don't know how efficient it would be to expand it to tables. hm 20:58 Peacock i thought you'd want to use a different replacement each time, otherwise youll end up with dozens of the same schem slightly different 20:59 sfan5 Peacock: you can delete the file afterwards 20:59 Peacock temp files true 20:59 sokomine it depends. i may go so far as to use the same basic replacements for all houses in one region. still leaves the plants that need to be replaced - they don't grow all the same food 21:00 sfan5 VanessaE: can you test http://sfan5.duckdns.org/minetest-0.4.7-0b77588-win32-2.exe ? 21:00 Peacock otherwise you could patch your minetest to use replace with voxmynips 21:00 VanessaE sure 21:00 VanessaE downloading... 21:01 sokomine going through the table-variant for place_schematic would work as well. but that would require to go through the entire table for each placement and exchange everything. either way, it's not optimal :-/ 21:01 sfan5 you could also place the schematics and change them afterwards, if they're not that big that might work good 21:01 sokomine yes, my minetest. but could i write code that will get accepted for the real version? 21:01 sokomine hm. yes, that might be a way 21:02 Peacock well wether or not it gets accepted, ittl work for you/your server 21:02 sfan5 VanessaE: you are getting ~110 KB/s dl speed right? 21:02 VanessaE 117kB/sec 21:02 Peacock and bundle the patch 21:02 sokomine they're rather small (perhaps 10-15 nodes in each direction). but that may vary. other people may prefer larger houses (though those may then be less suitable for node replacement) 21:03 Peacock you could bundle the patch and have your mod check if it is patched? 21:03 sokomine peacock: true, but the trouble is: this is more for singleplayer. on a server, you have players that want to build...automatic villages would be in the way 21:03 VanessaE sfan5: it extracted fine, but I couldn't run the result because it's built with curl and whatever WLDAP32 is. 21:03 mitori PilzAdam is here? 21:03 VanessaE (I don't have those libs installed into wine) 21:03 sfan5 there should be a dll for curl... 21:03 PilzAdam mitori, yep 21:04 Peacock oh i wouldn't mind npc villages, could keep the players busy with them instead of talking to me all the time lol 21:04 sokomine :-)))) 21:04 mitori I think I finished tweaking dwarves... for now. 21:04 sokomine so you want eliza-like npc running around? :) they could work... 21:04 Peacock was thinking of dressing up mobs as fake me's lol 21:04 sfan5 VanessaE: thanks for testing it 21:05 * sokomine buys a peacock-detector at the local trader 21:05 Peacock well, players exepct server admins to be like the lord, everywhere and with everyone lol 21:05 Peacock *expect 21:06 Jordach_ sokomine, this isnt linuxgaming.us 21:06 Peacock ? 21:06 sokomine yes, players are annoying to admins :-) and to modders. and modders are annoying to core developers, and core developers are annoying to irrlicht developers, and those...well, i don't know :-) 21:07 sokomine jordach: in which way? 21:07 Peacock naw players are only annoying in the sense that most of them dont actually build :p 21:08 sokomine oh. that's bad. but i suspect most that come in through the list in the game won't build. on a minecraft classic server, you get by now more than 10 greifers per real player 21:08 Peacock especially because they can't build to save their left nut, or they just like to grief? 21:08 Peacock uhm 21:08 Peacock *is it because 21:09 * Peacock is tired 21:09 Peacock Peacock.insert({coffee=true}) 21:09 sokomine it's especially bad if they build an ugly box with nothing but a door and a chest inside and want to sell that 21:14 Peacock i get alot of those lol 21:14 Peacock looks like a shipping container 21:14 Peacock except the real thing make for nicer homes lol 21:15 sokomine build a container mod for your server :-) instant homes for...er...griefers :-) 21:15 Peacock griefers havent lasted more than 2-3 minutes this week :p 21:15 Peacock autoban is doing its job 21:16 Calinou autoban, banning innocent people since 2013 21:16 Peacock hardly innocent 21:16 Calinou well, the "Owned by:" thingy is so small 21:16 Calinou it's not that hard to be banned with good intent 21:16 Peacock when the server tells you not to dig somewhere 15 (fifteen) times, you're not innocent, your just "special" 21:17 Calinou what if you try at different places? 21:17 Calinou eg. to cut trees 21:17 Calinou and they're all owned 21:17 Peacock the spawn has all the info plus a transporter to take you to freebuild areas 21:17 Peacock do you start effing around on servers w/o knowing the rules? 21:17 Evergreen Hey everyone, I uploaded an unlisted video on youtube of the sample quality for SimpleScreenRecorder (and a bit of my WIP firefly mod) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEQ2MI3rk8o 21:17 Calinou no 21:17 Peacock there ya go :-) 21:17 Calinou but I try getting trees, and sometime people are overprotective about it 21:18 Peacock trees? 21:18 Calinou so they protect the trees that are apparently in the wild 21:18 Calinou how are you supposed to make a pickaxe? 21:18 Peacock i dont protect random things :p 21:18 Peacock i got 3 zones, all listed x,z in the server thread and on the server 21:18 Calinou meh 21:18 Peacock and they get 15 warnings before ban lol 21:19 Evergreen Can someone look at the video? I want an opinion on the quality 21:19 Peacock even in school our teachers didn't give us 15 warnings, lol 21:19 Calinou I'll look, Evergreen 21:19 Evergreen Okay, thanks 21:21 Peacock interesting http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/08/02/2027257/375000-lab-grown-beef-burger-to-debut-on-monday?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter 21:22 Peacock but at $375K, youre not saving any starving africans lol 21:22 Calinou Taoki[laptop]|aw: fail :P 21:23 Calinou looks good, Evergreen 21:23 Evergreen Anything I can do better? 21:23 Evergreen I want it to look as nice as I can 21:24 Calinou record at the highest resolution you can 21:24 Calinou ideally, 1920×1080 21:25 Peacock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103452#p103452 <- who's he responding to? lol 21:28 Peacock i dont really see a post defending the current sounds thats why i ask lol 21:28 Calinou VanessaE: "(plus filenames, folder names, etc. are cAse-SEnsiTive)." only on UNIX-like OSes :p 21:29 Calinou not on windows 21:29 Calinou (OS X can also use a case-insensitive FS, optionally) 21:29 VanessaE > 2013 > doesn't recognize filename case 21:29 VanessaE :P 21:29 Calinou it's usually more a good thing than a bad thing 21:46 Jordach_ https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103475#p103475 21:46 Evergreen Calinou: The highest resolution I can record at is 740p 21:47 Calinou that's non-standard, YouTube won't accept it :P 21:47 Calinou 720p would 21:47 Peacock minetest IRL would be cool, people who talk too much would segfault lol 21:47 Calinou that is 1280×720 21:47 Calinou Peacock: lol 21:49 Evergreen x) 21:49 Peacock though, stupid people would respawn :S 21:49 Jordach /ban 21:49 Jordach instant kill with no respawn :) 21:50 Peacock what would constitute an unknown node IRL? 21:50 Jordach void 21:50 Calinou money 21:50 Jordach this infinitely black hole 21:50 Peacock unknown entities -> homeless people wearing newspaper as underwear? 21:51 Peacock more coffee lol 21:52 Calinou you need to find a mod that has coffee, or write a coffee mod to drink coffee. 21:52 Peacock random ideaL ingame coffee, it could give players fast for a limited time 21:52 Calinou haha 21:52 Calinou and make their chat messages allcaps 21:52 Calinou :P 21:52 Peacock oh god no lol 21:52 Peacock im gonna write an autoban rule for that too lol 21:53 Jordach VanessaE, HDX leaves SUCK ASS 21:53 Peacock though it seems to be mostly a spanish thing, don't they have caps buttons down there? 21:53 Peacock or did Franco have them all disapeared lol 21:54 VanessaE Jordach: oh well 21:54 Jordach VanessaE, jungle leaves look better IMHO 21:54 VanessaE I was kinda limited in what I could do for leaves 21:54 * Jordach attacks default_leaves.png with make seamless 21:55 Calinou make seamless is terrible :P 21:55 VanessaE that'll look bad 21:55 Jordach actually, no; i made it look better 21:55 VanessaE screenshot 21:55 Calinou the textures are low-res, so this is possible 21:56 Jordach im averaging 30 fps with 256x 21:56 VanessaE I still need to work on farming mod support in HDX, and also those varied-height grasses 21:57 VanessaE Jordach: I thought you hated HDX? 21:57 Calinou on today's cards, bigger sizes don't impact performance much, only VRAM usage 21:57 VanessaE Calinou: and in MT, I guess the VRAM doesn't get used much 21:58 Calinou except with antialiasing, or with tons of previews generated 21:59 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ZywOE3c.jpg 21:59 Calinou the hand always scares me O_o 21:59 Jordach i can now stand the fucking trees 21:59 VanessaE that's my husband's hand, Calinou 22:00 VanessaE (because mine just wouldn't look right) 22:00 Peacock highrezzes look nicer on ACL screens, LED screens too bright (makes grainy) 22:00 Calinou still, it looks so realistic, it feels like it's an actual hand :p 22:00 VanessaE heh 22:00 Calinou Jordach: y u no use texture filtering? :( 22:00 VanessaE Jordach: close-up view? 22:00 Peacock i didnt even know the default hand was a hand, i always thought it was a wood shovel lol 22:01 Calinou there is a wood shovel, but nearly noone uses wood shovel/axe/sword :P 22:01 Peacock theyre pretty useless the minute you get stone 22:01 Calinou yep 22:02 Calinou gtg, night 22:03 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/hJq4FWu.jpg 22:03 iqualfragile_ this looks so ugly 22:04 Jordach that's HDX! 22:04 VanessaE iqualfragile_: so don't use it :P 22:04 Jordach ;) 22:04 Peacock i never though id say this, but not voxely enough :P 22:04 Jordach can we have HDX F 22:05 Jordach faithful> 22:05 VanessaE I tried to keep HDX somewhat faithful to the defaults actually, but without sacrificing relaism 22:05 VanessaE realism* 22:05 Peacock and the hand makes me think the player is doing something else...http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/3025-if-you-know-what-i-mean.png 22:05 iqualfragile_ i was actualy referring to that hand 22:05 Jordach lol 22:06 iqualfragile_ but i am not a big hdx fan… it is just too realistic for a block based voxel game 22:06 Evergreen Minetest faithful anyone? :P 22:07 Dogzilla131 I think I found a bug in homedecor mod or in the server 22:07 Jordach Evergreen, lol 22:07 Evergreen x) Free advertising 22:07 VanessaE Dogzilla131: what bug? 22:07 Jordach btw, if i wanted to use HDX, i'd play the Sims 2 22:07 Dogzilla131 When i place a glowlight node then dig it adds one more to the stack 22:08 Peacock jordach i thought you liked it? 22:08 Jordach i dont mind it 22:08 VanessaE Dogzilla131: I fixed that bug months ago 22:08 Dogzilla131 oh, then its the server 22:08 VanessaE whose server? 22:08 Dogzilla131 wazulan 22:08 Dogzilla131 wazuland 22:08 VanessaE probably out of date then 22:11 VanessaE Jordach: got a link to the modified texture file? 22:16 Dogzilla131 whos the admin or moderator for wazuclan server? 22:17 PenguinDad I think wazuclan has renamed to linuxgaming.us 22:19 Dogzilla131 then wazuclan 2 22:20 VanessaE bbl 22:25 paramat Hi from a warm and thundery Norfolk, yo J and PC ;] 22:27 Evergreen Just to start a discussion, let me share with you a comment I found on a minetest game review. (this had 18 upvotes btw) "Everything in this video is a disgrace of the minecraft community!!!" 22:29 Evergreen It made me really angry when I saw it 22:29 Evergreen Half of the comments are like that on the video as well 22:29 Peacock meh, what can you do? 22:30 Peacock you go countercomment and theyll call you a faboy so... 22:35 PenguinDad Good Night Guys 22:36 marktraceur Evergreen: The remedy to false speech is more speech - ask them why it's a disgrace to Minecraft when it's not detracting anything from the Minecraft developers and doing its own thing 22:37 marktraceur It's helpful to remember not to get unduly angry. Just try to understand what they're criticising so you can maybe fix it. And if they're criticising for its own sake, then you can ignore them once that becomes clear. 22:37 Peacock i find the more you argue with people the more they entrench 22:38 marktraceur Peacock: Then that's not arguing, it's trench warfare with words 22:38 Peacock most people cant tell the difference 22:38 marktraceur That's because most people have no idea how to have civilised conversations with other humans 22:39 Peacock try to get the age of the kids posting those comments see if its even worth debating with them 22:39 marktraceur Peacock: Why? Age of speaker isn't a good indicator of merit. 22:39 Peacock id say so yeah, attitudes change over the decades 22:39 marktraceur If a 12 year old has good points you should listen, and if a 37 year old has bad ones you shouldn't 22:40 Peacock besides any debate about MC and MT is rapidly going to descend into proprietary vs floss 22:41 marktraceur Peacock: You might assume that that means it's not worth having the discussion, but I think that topic is far from settled as well. It would be good to have a sane conversation about it, so it's silly to forego that possibility. 22:42 Peacock well, if your having arguments about different games then i think you've lost sight of why games are made in the first place (for fun) 22:42 Peacock let the kids make asses of themselves, its no skin off my back lol 22:43 Evergreen I didn't argue with him, it would make me look stupid 22:43 Peacock exactly, right now its just the other guy looking stupid 22:45 Peacock and it could just as well be trolling since they know how easy floss-types bite 22:46 marktraceur Evergreen: You'd only look stupid if you fell for a trap that may or may not be there. Be the level-headed person in the conversation. 22:47 Evergreen Yes, I have learned that from previous arguments. :P 22:48 marktraceur And yet you're worried about looking stupid 22:48 Peacock with advocates so ready and willing to take up every argument, it's too easy to create a dozen accounts and have them debate the same things over and over lol 22:49 marktraceur Peacock: I don't see why that'd be a problem - in order to continue being interesting you'd need to come up with valid arguments. I see that as having twelve times the amount of possibly useful input. 22:50 Evergreen I also know being level headed really annoys people in arguments. I know for a fact that it annoys me. 22:50 Peacock i just dont see a point in proselytizing to MC fanboys 22:50 Evergreen Peacock, very true 22:51 Peacock theres only 24 hours to a day and theres so many better things i could be doing than arguing that sort of thing 22:53 marktraceur Evergreen: If you get annoyed by people being levelheaded, then you're in the class of person I would personally rather not argue with :) 22:54 Evergreen It annoys me if I am on the receiving end, and it also it depends on what the argument is about. 22:54 marktraceur Peacock: Don't think of it as trying to teach them - maybe they're beyond hope, maybe not, but you might get disappointed on that train. Think of it as trying to learn what they know that you don't, so you can better understand the situation. 22:54 marktraceur Evergreen: Exactly 22:55 Evergreen You must a very good arguer marktraceur . :P 22:55 marktraceur Evergreen: "Good" isn't the word I'd use. Avid, maybe. 22:55 Evergreen Good point 22:56 Evergreen I can tell you are very logical. You would make a pretty good spock. 22:56 Evergreen x) 22:58 Jordach VanessaE, make seamless -> threshold alpha with 0 (removes all alpha from alphaized colours; making it flat but keeping the colours, as needed by the engine) 22:58 Jordach that's how i did it 22:58 Jordach anyways; im off to bed 22:59 * Evergreen is afk 23:03 MinetestBot GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: More info in serverlist 5e433fa913 2013-08-02T16:02:59-07:00 http://git.io/N5VJ_A 23:05 Peacock marktraceur over years, especially at mt, i've found that most of not all internet arguments are pointless, and i frequently wonder about the other guy/gal's sex life lol 23:06 marktraceur Peacock: That's pretty fucked up, not gonna lie 23:06 Peacock even IRL you rarely change minds that way 23:06 marktraceur Didn't I just say that wasn't the point? 23:06 Peacock well i dont argue for the sake of arguing 23:07 marktraceur Right. 23:07 Peacock and increasingly, i wont argue if i think the other person won't budge 23:07 marktraceur Why not? 23:07 marktraceur Maybe they know something that you don't, that makes them more certain than you 23:07 Peacock it's pointless and frustrating 23:08 Peacock if i wanted that sort of thing i'd be a politician 23:08 marktraceur What? 23:08 marktraceur Wanted to argue? 23:08 Peacock yeah 23:09 Peacock have you ever worked in customer service? if so you know alot of people just like to pick fights over nothing 23:09 marktraceur I wish you luck finding a place in the world where it's not necessary to have conflicts with others and resolve them 23:09 Peacock and theyre the ones who die in their 40's 23:09 marktraceur Peacock: Not *fights*. Arguments. 23:10 marktraceur If you're talking to someone who wants to tear you down, that's a fight. If you're talking to someone who wants to work with you, that's an argument. 23:10 marktraceur I can see why you wouldn't want to fight for the sake of fighting. 23:10 Peacock ' place in the world where it's not necessary to have conflicts' 23:11 Peacock seems like you anticipate conflicts everywhere you go 23:11 Peacock do people IRL find you to be pleasant company? 23:11 marktraceur I don't anticipate never having them 23:11 marktraceur That would be ridiculous 23:11 Peacock i know there will be conflicts, but i also know to avoid people who live on it 23:11 marktraceur Peacock: I'm not sure how that's relevant to the conversation, nor am I sure I can answer it very well 23:13 Peacock its relevant in the sense that people behave almost the same online as they do offline 23:13 Peacock except maybe with less restraint online 23:13 Peacock someone who enjoys debating and arguing frequently is not someone i'd want to have as a friend or roommate 23:14 Peacock its a very high maintenance relationship 23:14 marktraceur Which is fine, given that I'm not aiming to be your friend or roommate :) 23:14 Peacock not but i am asking if you have many 23:14 marktraceur Why would you want to know that? 23:15 Peacock if you don't want me to know than i suspect its what i expected it to be 23:15 marktraceur Peacock: Your logical fallacy is: If I don't want to tell you it's because I'm embarrassed. 23:15 marktraceur Peacock: I don't spread my personal information unduly across the internet, sorry :) 23:16 Peacock its not personal lol people have lives, unless they don't, in which case they dont like talking about it 23:16 marktraceur Peacock: Yes, but people who have lives also sometimes don't like talking about it. 23:16 marktraceur See above re: Logical fallacy 23:16 Peacock its like online dating and people saying they dont like to talk about weight, and you meet them and big surprise, they're overweight 23:17 marktraceur *shrug* then don't meet people who won't talk about it, if weight is a criterion for you. 23:17 marktraceur Of course the reason you do is, there's a chance they're your type and have other reasons. 23:18 Peacock people tend to not talk about the things they're ashamed of 23:18 Peacock or feel are deficient in 23:18 marktraceur Peacock: I continue to fail to understand your point, given that I've demonstrated a fallacy in your logic. 23:19 Peacock stick that thought if it comforts you, but i cant see many people IRL enjoying the company of people who expect conflicts everywhere they go 23:20 Peacock at least on the internet people can close the chat, not as easy to walk away from IRL 23:20 marktraceur I'm pretty OK with that. I'm past the phase of needing to be a popular kid. I'm happy having a few friends who aren't annoyed by honest and earnest conversations. 23:21 Peacock so for you anyone with more than a few like minded friends is one of those HS popular-type jocks? 23:22 * Evergreen is back 23:22 marktraceur No. 23:23 Peacock and how can you understand other people's point of views if you cant get along with most of them? or is it just to write them off? 23:23 marktraceur Peacock: Someone who would take the criticism "I can't imagine people would enjoy being around you" and change themselves to have more friends 23:23 marktraceur Peacock: I can understand people without being their friend. 23:24 Peacock yeah well people like that in my experience tend to just be looking for something to feel superior about 23:25 marktraceur As opposed to other humans, who never want to feel superior about anything? :) 23:26 Peacock the people who feel the most need to feel superior tend to have issues with rejection 23:27 Peacock sociable people look for different people, not to fight with them, but to know a different way of seeing things 23:28 Peacock anyways, i still got a ton and a half of boxes to unpack, bbl 23:28 marktraceur Peacock: I don't see anything different about that - everyone wants to find out different ways of seeing things. 23:50 mpdavis73 strange issue on ubuntu 13.04 w/ intel graphics - 60fps for a while, then after an indeterminate time, drops to <10fps 23:50 mpdavis73 logout/login fixes it until next time 23:52 mpdavis73 core i5 / 8gb / 64gb ssd