IRC log for #minetest, 2013-08-01

Time	Nick	Message
00:00	Dakota5	oh yah because ubuntu monitors what you do and sends it to amazon
00:00	PilzAdam	<nolan_> Your basing something off what adam said <- best thing you can do. ever.
00:00	Jordach	Dakota5, linux mint 15 is way better :)
00:00	Jordach	<Calinou / VanessaE> Xubuntu is better.
00:00	nolan_	Haha pilzadam :P
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00:01	nolan_	Jordach it is sad you don't have a server, your'e the most trustful and helpful minetest player i know, and playing on your server would be awesome
00:01	Dakota5	that's like going to a bar and saying i want a girly drink just because all the women are drinking it
00:01	* Jordach	writhes
00:01	Jordach	ewww, i hate public appreciation
00:01	nolan_	you better get used to it
00:02	Dakota5	hahaha
00:02	PilzAdam	nolan_, funny that you call him trusfull: the reason why he lost his VPN was that he shouted out the root password to the public ;-)
00:02	nolan_	PilzAdam i trust him more than u
00:02	Jordach	PilzAdam, SB didn't want affiliation with minetest
00:02	nolan_	Your'e a prick sometimes
00:03	Jordach	mt.viewskew.com went mia a week ago
00:03	Jordach	when starblessed stated that OpenVZ was up again, i checked for my vps, wasnt there
00:03	Jordach	he then confirmed it via PM that he removed it
00:04	Dakota5	is herobrine real
00:04	Jordach	nope
00:05	nolan_	But slenderman is
00:05	nolan_	Slenderman = My cousin
00:05	Jordach	slenderman is a german myth in origin
00:05	Dakota5	lol i love slenderman hes my bestfriend
00:05	Jordach	if he catches you, he will ask you a question, if you get it wrong, you die, if you get it right, he breaks your legs
00:06	Dakota5	wtf
00:06	Jordach	you think an evil demon will let a mortal go that easy
00:06	Dakota5	lol so is he realy real
00:06	nolan_	Guys, im in game a guy named connor joins, he asked what the servers Ip was, why would he ask?
00:07	Jordach	that's like walking in a Subway and not reading the Sub of the Day
00:07	Dakota5	thats wierd i wouldnt give it to him
00:07	Dakota5	but cant everyone see it
00:08	nolan_	yea they should be able to
00:08	Jordach	they can only see the IP address when the hostname is reversed, eg, google.com -> 8.8.8.8
00:08	nolan_	He asked, nobody answered so he left
00:08	Dakota5	lol
00:08	Jordach	and inverse of that is 8.8.8.8 -> google.com
00:08	Jordach	think of your IP address as a phone number
00:09	nolan_	555-555-5555
00:09	Jordach	the hostname is used to make it like a contact number
00:09	nolan_	:)
00:09	Jordach	or speed dial
00:09	Jordach	so you don't remember things like: 123.213.87.9
00:10	nolan_	Jordach, i remember IP pretty easy, i remember rays
00:10	Jordach	ah
00:10	nolan_	But hey i learn quick
00:10	nolan_	unless its science -,-
00:11	nolan_	Hey Jordach why don't you play rays server with me? I would be stunned if you actually did
00:12	Jordach	nolan_, i dislike playing on public servers
00:12	Jordach	1) i hate being revered
00:12	Jordach	2) i like silence
00:12	Jordach	3) repeating questions wear me down
00:13	Jordach	eg, does moreblocks add more blocks
00:13	nolan_	-_-
00:13	nolan_	\no it adds plants lol
00:14	Evergreen	If you like silence, turn the chat off.
00:14	nolan_	BAM
00:14	nolan_	jordach i like u though
00:14	nolan_	come get sick
00:14	nolan_	and play
00:14	Evergreen	Though if you turn the chat off, there is no real point to playing multiplayer
00:14	Evergreen	:P
00:15	Evergreen	You might as well play SP
00:15	kaeza	yes there is
00:15	kaeza	griefing :D
00:15	nolan_	i have been playing mintest for like half a year, i just started IRC today, now please tell me there is no point without IRC again -_-
00:15	kaeza	inb4 banned everywhere
00:15	Evergreen	Yet another reason to play SP! x)
00:16	PilzAdam	when we merged the 3D player support, there were like 5 core devs and 3 other players on a server
00:16	PilzAdam	was pretty awesome
00:16	Jordach	i was there when we implemented the 3d player
00:16	Jordach	and Sam is my creation
00:16	* kaeza	too
00:16	PilzAdam	was VanessaE's server IIRC
00:16	Jordach	PilzAdam, it was rba's testing
00:17	kaeza	I haven't seen more than 3 players at once ever since :(
00:18	PilzAdam	Evergreen, can you please stop posting "+1" under every single pull request?
00:18	Evergreen	Sorry, if I like a pull request, I +1 it. :P
00:19	kaeza	next time post a "+2" :P
00:20	Exio4	-3
00:20	nolan_	or -1
00:20	PilzAdam	Evergreen, if you dont have anything useful to say (e.g. if you have tested it), then there is no point in just saying "+1"
00:20	nolan_	wait just say *Plus 1)
00:20	nolan_	bahahaaa
00:22	Evergreen	Anyway, I'll try and say more useful information next time. Also, I usually don't like compiling minetest every time I want to test a pull request. :P
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00:23	nolan_	Hey guys is it wierd that i found a bucket a player had (taking players buckets they are not allowed because of greif and are disabled) the player gave me hs bucket and it was empty. I looked over the name and it said Emtpy Bucket, not Empty Bucket
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00:25	Jordach	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=52287#p52287 Sam I's first shot
00:25	Jordach	nolan_, fixed in minetest_game
00:26	nolan_	How did i find a bucket spelled wrong though?
00:26	Jordach	nolan_, it's a bug in the bucket code
00:27	nolan_	I thought it might be, its wierd lol
00:27	nolan_	What does bad allocation mean/ i get kicked from game often from it
00:28	Jordach	nolan_, just a bug
00:28	PilzAdam	fixing that typo was the first commit I pushed to Minetest
00:28	NekoGloopMkII	it means minetest is coded badly
00:28	NekoGloopMkII	and ever since you've held claim over the entire minetest_game project, PilzAdam
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00:42	Jordach	spotted some spam on the forums, killed it
00:42	Jordach	and banned the user of course :)
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00:44	PilzAdam	http://youtu.be/IPsi6DGkrIA
00:44	PilzAdam	!title
00:44	MinetestBot	PilzAdam: How To Fix a Laptop - YouTube
00:45	Jordach	here's how you fix a lappy
00:45	Jordach	buy a tower because i can barely get my fingers around the tiny mobo
00:46	Jordach	i had to repair a laptop fan: it was going to set the house alight
00:46	Jordach	fixed it, broke the intel centrino chip \o/
00:47	Jordach	anyways, i need sleep
00:47	NekoGloopMkII	If you give a Jordach a Laptop...
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01:36	PilzAdam	bye
01:42	VanessaE	hiall.
01:46	Kacey	hi v
01:47	VanessaE	how goes?
02:05	Kacey	im sore today...
02:05	VanessaE	sowwy
02:08	Kacey	band camp is tiring...
02:08	VanessaE	glad I left all that school stuff behind years ago
02:09	Kacey	lol i am just getting started with the last bit of it lolz
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02:10	alex256	!up
02:10	MinetestBot	alex256: Give me a Server Address
02:18	kaeza	time to go; my planet needs me ;)
02:18	kaeza	night all
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02:22	Peacock	these back pills are wonderful, perhaps later we'll be able to trip the title and festive
02:22	ShadowNinja	Is there a Minetest memo mod?
02:22	Kacey	memo?
02:23	VanessaE	there's a mailbox mod
02:23	VanessaE	closest thing I can think of anyway
02:23	ShadowNinja	A message that you can send for a player to get when they come on. Like MemoServ.
02:25	Kacey	put a sign in their house...
02:25	ShadowNinja	They have many buildings.
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02:50	hoodedice	!Peacock : Is the server on?
02:50	hoodedice	(Yeah it is)
03:05	hoodedice	!Peacock
03:06	Peacock	hoodedice yes
03:06	Peacock	still packing lol
03:07	hoodedice	Sorry
03:07	hoodedice	(somethingtrivial) I'll discuss it after you move
03:08	Peacock	naw its okay im a little out of it with back pills
03:08	Peacock	did you know, Rub A535 standing on it's side looks like Rub Ases
03:08	hoodedice	back pills?
03:08	hoodedice	Rub A535 is a back pill, I presume
03:08	Peacock	yeah wouldnt have gotten through today without them lol
03:08	Peacock	naw its some cream thingy
03:09	hoodedice	hmm
03:09	hoodedice	I was thinking of this feature,
03:10	hoodedice	Like there's a special node, when you punch it it gives you this special object
03:10	hoodedice	And as long as you have said object you can remain in a city
03:11	Peacock	you should post this idea on forum in detail since i wont be able to find it in irc logs later
03:11	hoodedice	hmm k
03:12	Peacock	or remember it with these meds lol
03:12	hoodedice	Middle age. Hits you hard.
03:13	Peacock	probably the wild weather change, from 43c to 11c
03:14	Peacock	mother and sister have it too right now
03:14	Peacock	though my sisters' at the other end of the country :/
03:14	hoodedice	(And we think 20c is cold)
03:15	Peacock	meh, if it could stay between 12 and 22c year round that would be great
03:15	hoodedice	I like it to be 30
03:15	hoodedice	=)
03:15	Peacock	past 30 i have a hard time sleeping lol
03:16	Peacock	heck i shaved my head two weeks ago, people are alot more polite now lol
03:16	hoodedice	Sleeping. Yes. I need cool at that time
03:16	hoodedice	Because I can't slee without a blanket
03:16	hoodedice	*sleep
03:17	Peacock	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZTXYghCNzo8/UBoelLw3Q6I/AAAAAAAAANo/1_aQ6C2frcw/s1600/homer.jpg
03:17	Peacock	^ when its too hot lol
03:20	hoodedice	=)
03:20	hoodedice	Indeed
03:24	Peacock	http://www.torontosun.com/2013/07/31/dog-eats-paralyzed-arkansas-mans-testicle
03:24	Peacock	ouch
03:25	hoodedice	The guy is half nuts
03:25	hoodedice	Rofl
03:25	hoodedice	The comments are hilarious
03:26	Peacock	lol hadn't check until you mentioned it
03:26	Peacock	Never buy the Milk Bone underwear.
03:28	hoodedice	Don't. Ever. Post. Stuff. Like. That. Again
03:29	hoodedice	(stillrofling)
03:29	Peacock	i thought it was a prank article until i found other sources lol
03:31	hoodedice	(tryingnottothinkofthat) How do you force a new line in the signs
03:32	VanessaE	\|
03:32	Peacock	(space)\|(space)
03:32	VanessaE	(space pipe space)
03:32	Peacock	i wanted to post the rules in german and spanish, though running them through google translate i realized i had to add two lines (6 total) lol
03:33	Peacock	im pretty sure they dont make much sense though
03:33	hoodedice	Thanks
03:33	Peacock	whats your native lang
03:33	Peacock	?
03:34	hoodedice	Urdu
03:34	hoodedice	Though my first is English, and I speak and write it better than urdu
03:34	Peacock	4th largest hmm
03:34	Peacock	need multicharset signs lol
03:35	hoodedice	=)
03:35	VanessaE	Peacock: pull requests against homedecor are welcome :P
03:35	Peacock	though ill need a bigger spawn to cover more langs lol
03:35	Peacock	*spawn room
03:36	Peacock	spanish or portuguese, not such which one the bulk of S.A. players speak
03:37	Peacock	if i understand correctly, in brazil they speak a dialect of portuguese?
03:37	hoodedice	ah, et francais?
03:37	Peacock	i dont know of any french players that don't have an equally perfect grasp of english
03:38	Peacock	spanish and german are important since ive had players who could only speak those :/
03:39	Peacock	they should at least be able to understand rules if icant explain it to them
03:41	hoodedice	hmm
03:54	hoodedice	Later.
04:26	bas080	see how juicy nodebox flowers look like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_941607798.png
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05:02	khonkhortisan	that's all the same species of flower
05:12	bas080	khonkhortisan, true!
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06:41	sfan5	hi
06:44	VanessaE	hi
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08:32	JamesTait	Good morning all, happy Yorkshire Day! :-D
08:34	VanessaE	good morning
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09:37	Calinou	lol, first time I get "too many users"
09:37	Calinou	while server reports 10/12 players
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09:46	proller	report updated every 5 minutes
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10:14	* Jordach	pokes VanessaE
10:14	Jordach	c'mon lazy
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10:15	Jordach	hey PilzAdam
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10:16	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
10:16	sweminetest	khonkhortisan, hello.
10:16	Jordach	you meant kahrl_
10:16	sweminetest	hello everyone :) to you as well
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10:17	mtmt	Hi
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10:20	mtmt	Hello
10:21	PilzAdam	!kick MarkTwain You are banned
10:21		MarkTwain was kicked by MinetestBot: You are banned
10:21	PilzAdam	!ban mtmt!@*
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10:22	YouYou	MinetestBot no im fucking not
10:22	PilzAdam	!op
10:22		YouYou was kicked by PilzAdam: YouYou
10:28	Jordach	what is his fuckin problem
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10:35	Jordach	why did i blender a voxely 3DS
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10:53	* VanessaE	pokes Jordach
10:53	Jordach	hello VanessaE
10:54	Jordach	up early?
10:54	VanessaE	up late
10:54	VanessaE	haven't been sleeping much latel
10:54	VanessaE	lately*
11:00	Jordach	ah
11:00	Jordach	trying to encroach on my ability to run 17 hours a day just to mod the forums>
11:00	VanessaE	haha
11:01	VanessaE	post moved HIYAH! delete...delete...delete... insert random chop-socky cries here
11:01	VanessaE	:)
11:01	Jordach	"Enter a word that you want to censor and the replacement text for this word." i know what i'm doing april 1st
11:02	VanessaE	oh boy..
11:02	Calinou	inb4 replace "," and "." with "?"
11:02	Jordach	we should also set the forum clock a to april 2nd
11:02	Calinou	let's also replace "test" with "craft"
11:02	VanessaE	Calinou: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103214#p103214 <--- you forgot to git push :P
11:02	Calinou	no?
11:03	Calinou	look at the git repo
11:03	Calinou	http://github.com/Calinou/moreblocks
11:03	Calinou	the repos moved
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11:03	VanessaE	OH
11:03	Jordach	btw, banned a spammer last nigujt
11:03	Jordach	night*
11:03	VanessaE	sure, screw me up why don't ya :)
11:04	* Jordach	sees PilzAdam in #freenode
11:05	VanessaE	Jordach: good, one less piece of trash to clog the forums
11:05	Jordach	VanessaE, seen some of my 1080p renders?
11:05	VanessaE	no
11:05	Jordach	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103069#p103069
11:05	VanessaE	except a random screenshot here and there, not sure if they were 1080 or wha
11:05	VanessaE	what*
11:05	VanessaE	oh yeah, I saw that
11:05	VanessaE	cute :)
11:06	Jordach	i am the only person making media here
11:06	Jordach	(media = images etc)
11:07	VanessaE	well
11:08	VanessaE	actually I guess you do kinda have a monopoly on it huh
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11:12	VanessaE	there, server's up-to-date again..... for the next 5 or 10 minutes, until something else changes :)
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11:13	Jordach	as usual
11:16	reactor	Meh.
11:17	reactor	sfan5: here?
11:18	reactor	What is the coordinate basis in the MT world?
11:18	Calinou	coordinate basis?
11:18	proller	WGS84
11:19	reactor	Is it that the X axis points to the east Z axis points to the south?
11:19	VanessaE	1 node = 1 meter, world center is 0,0,0, X and Z are W/E and N/S, Y is down/up
11:19	VanessaE	respectively.
11:19	reactor	East +?
11:19	reactor	South +?
11:19	VanessaE	yep
11:19	VanessaE	and nope
11:19	reactor	Good.
11:19	reactor	?!
11:19	VanessaE	east is +, north is +
11:22	reactor	Aha.
11:22	reactor	sfan5: them my patch is wrong.
11:22	reactor	then*
11:22	VanessaE	so your most positive corner is north-east-upper
11:22	reactor	oh yes
11:23	reactor	Is it the same in Minecraft?
11:23	Calinou	I think so
11:23	Calinou	north-east rule
11:23	reactor	mk
11:23	Calinou	used to be south-west but the sun use to rise in the north
11:23	VanessaE	working on a map importer?
11:23	reactor	YEs.
11:23	reactor	Yes*
11:23	reactor	Patching sfan5's filter
11:23	reactor	Apparently, I got it wrong.
11:24	Calinou	Anvil?
11:24	reactor	It doesn't invert x but z.
11:24	reactor	What Anvil?
11:24	reactor	Yes, I had an anvil dropped on my head some time ago.
11:24	reactor	I do not recommend it.
11:24	Calinou	anvil is 1.2+ Minecraft map format
11:24	reactor	I'm kidding.
11:24	reactor	Oh.
11:24	Calinou	so you should use it
11:25	reactor	?
11:25	sfan5	reactor: yes?
11:25	reactor	sfan5: I will rewrite the patch: it's the Z direction that needs fixing, not X.
11:25	sfan5	k
11:26	* sfan5	just accidently overclocked his computer by pressing random keys, now it reverted
11:26	Calinou	wat
11:26	Calinou	sfan5: what's your CPU?
11:26	sfan5	exactly
11:26	reactor	Calinou: does MT use Anvil?
11:26	sfan5	Intel
11:26	Calinou	reactor: nope
11:26	Calinou	which one exactly?
11:26	reactor	I don't know.
11:26	reactor	I'm confused as hell now.
11:26	sfan5	Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz
11:27	sfan5	reactor: Anvil is a MC save format
11:27	Calinou	then you can't
11:27	sfan5	*an
11:27	reactor	mkay.
11:27	reactor	Also.
11:27	reactor	How come I can't //load big schemes?
11:27	reactor	What I got is a square area, the middle of it
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11:27	sfan5	reactor: whats the error?
11:27	reactor	I don't know.
11:28	reactor	I only get the middle square, about 500x500m
11:28	reactor	maybe 700x700
11:28	reactor	the scheme is about 90 MB
11:28	* NekoGloop	bites reactor
11:28	reactor	and it had been generating for quite long
11:28	reactor	like an hour
11:31	reactor	Pwned.
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11:32	sweminetest	khonkhortisan, what minetest server do you enjoy playing on?
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11:47	sweminetest	Has anyone played on minetest.ru before?
11:49	sweminetest	It doesn't seem to be open to strangers :(
11:49	Calinou	needs an account
11:49	Jordach	http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/273/s3ds.png
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11:51	reactor	sfan5: what is the origin point?
11:52	reactor	I mean, what does the script choose as it?
11:52	reactor	If the centre of selection, I would suggest one better use the corner with minimal coordinates, for simplicity of the code and ease of calculations when pasting.
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11:53	reactor	Because it would take too long to keep track of the pasted if you have to cut up an area and paste it by piece
11:57	sweminetest	Calinou, do you know if minetest.ru has some specific purpose like they only invite builders or game devs? Is it a server for everyone?
11:57	Calinou	it is, but you have to register somewhere
11:58	sweminetest	I'll find out.
11:59	sweminetest	Does anyone know if I can find the Public Server List shown in minetest on a webpage somewhere?
11:59	PilzAdam	minetest.net/servers
11:59	reactor	Sure.
11:59	reactor	Look what the client fetches.
11:59	reactor	Then process it.
12:05	svuorela	when is 0.4.8 expected to be out ? :)
12:05	PilzAdam	soon, there is no feature freeze yet, though
12:10	Jordach	when is 0.4.6 out?
12:11	Calinou	when is 0.4.4 out?
12:11	PenguinDad	Calinou yesterday?
12:11	Calinou	lol
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12:20	NekoGloop	when is 0.0.0 out?
12:23	PenguinDad	NekoGloop after apocalypse :P
12:24	sweminetest	khonkhortisan, just a moment. I'll return to the chatroom later.
12:28	Jordach	when is 1.0
12:29	PenguinDad	Jordach if we are at mozilla next month.
12:29	sweminetest	so the water mod is yours...I gotta try it out
12:33	sweminetest	khonkhortisan, cool mod. I liked it. Actually I like any water animation instead of the water just standing still, no life nothing ;)
12:34	sweminetest	Does anyone like farming in minetest?
12:34	VanessaE	sweminetest: minetest already has animated water etc.
12:35	VanessaE	khonkhortisan's mod isn't needed anymore
12:35	sweminetest	VanessaE, then that is minetest, the dev version. Not minetest 0.4.7, right?
12:35	VanessaE	even 0.4.7
12:36	VanessaE	animated stuff has been in place since around september last year.
12:36	VanessaE	in fact, june of last year
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12:38	RandomMyanCat	Hello #minetest!
12:38	PilzAdam	I have added translating here: http://www.minetest.net/development
12:38	RandomMyanCat	is there ever gong to be prt of minettest to androoid?
12:38	VanessaE	RandomMyanCat: sure, if someone ports it :P
12:39	RandomMyanCat	has it beend done yet? :)
12:39	sfan5	no
12:39	sfan5	but minetestserver already work on android
12:39	RandomMyanCat	wat abt ser-- ah, ok
12:39	VanessaE	some folks have ...yeah what sfan5 said
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12:39	RandomMyanCat	Is ther link to set up it?
12:40	sweminetest	omg, you're right.
12:40	sfan5	RandomMyanCat: ...
12:40	VanessaE	but the client just needs more resources than what a tablet will be able to provide.
12:40	RandomMyanCat	Yos?
12:40	RandomMyanCat	mY tablet have good procesor
12:40	VanessaE	(at least at present, I'm sure that will improve over time)
12:40	RandomMyanCat	Is not good enoug to run minetest?
12:40	PilzAdam	RandomMyanCat, whad CPU does it have?
12:40	PilzAdam	*what
12:40	VanessaE	RandomMyanCat: it would need a really good GPU, as tablets go
12:40	RandomMyanCat	ARMv7 i thnk
12:41	proller	VanessaE, current 4 core arm cpus more powerful than 5 years-ago notebooks
12:41	sfan5	RandomMyanCat: i'll get you a link
12:41	RandomMyanCat	oky
12:41	Calinou	proller: big achivement
12:41	VanessaE	proller: have you actually tried playing MT with software rendering? :)
12:41	Calinou	RandomMyanCat: ARMv7 doesn't mean much
12:41	RandomMyanCat	Why diff. cpu matter?
12:41	sfan5	RandomMyanCat: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=95459#p95459
12:42	RandomMyanCat	thanks
12:42	proller	VanessaE, most of arm contain good GPU
12:42	VanessaE	proller: define "good" :)
12:42	Calinou	^
12:42	svuorela	sfan5: I was trying to play on your public server last night, but it seems that there was no trees and that I couldn't break blocks. Is that expected ?
12:42	RandomMyanCat	But port forwrding?
12:42	proller	30 fps in minetest - not a problem
12:42	sfan5	svuorela: no, I'll look into it
12:42	Calinou	on benchmarks, the best ARM GPU (ardeno 330) is still slower than an HD4000
12:42	sfan5	RandomMyanCat: your router
12:42	sfan5	see there
12:42	Calinou	that is enough to play minetest, but I wouldn't call that "powerful"
12:42	RandomMyanCat	I get abt 50-60 in minecraft
12:42	VanessaE	RandomMyanCat: think of it this way: which would be faster, a 1GHz 6502, a 1 GHz ARM, or a 1 GHz x86
12:42	* sfan5	is now afk
12:43	Calinou	(could be faked, intel is notorious for faking benchmarks)
12:43	PilzAdam	RandomMyanCat, what ARMv7? it ranges from 200MHz to 2 GHz
12:43	Calinou	VanessaE: x86 by far :P
12:43	VanessaE	Calinou: exactly.
12:43	proller	Calinou, powerful for 5-10w eaten power
12:43	Calinou	yes, perf-watt
12:43	RandomMyanCat	amazon one
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12:43	proller	and enough powerful for playing minetest
12:43	RandomMyanCat	amazon HD i dont remembr model
12:44	sfan5	RandomMyanCat: to set a server up you need an usb cable
12:44	sfan5	if you get dll errors use dll-files.com and Google
12:44	* sfan5	is now really afk
12:44	RandomMyanCat	Ilost that i thnk
12:44	sfan5	:/
12:44	Calinou	lol amazon tablets
12:44	RandomMyanCat	the latest one
12:45	RandomMyanCat	i rmbr lookng forum, same as jojoa has
12:45	Calinou	kindle fire HD then, likely
12:45	Calinou	still, lol :P
12:45	RandomMyanCat	yes
12:45	RandomMyanCat	Amazon Kindle File HD
12:46	Jordach	ew amazon
12:46	RandomMyanCat	But I still don't understand how the Architecture of the CPU has a role in determining its speed, GHz is already defining speed of it, right?
12:46	RandomMyanCat	Whats wrong with Amazon?
12:47	Jordach	Ghz is something they can market
12:47	Jordach	the power of a CPU lies in the amount of cores
12:47	Jordach	and the underlying technology which you didnt rea
12:47	Jordach	read*
12:47	PilzAdam	it seems to have 2 cores @ 1.2 GHz
12:48	RandomMyanCat	Well i am currently on a laptop with a i686 4x1.6Gbz processors
12:48	Calinou	RandomMyanCat: amazon uses tons of DRMs
12:48	Calinou	<RandomMyanCat> But I still don't understand how the Architecture of the CPU has a role in determining its speed, GHz is already defining speed of it, right?
12:48	Calinou	not really
12:48	Calinou	GHz doesn't even make for proportional speed
12:48	Calinou	a 4ghz CPU won't be 25% faster than the exact same 3ghz CPU
12:48	Calinou	but more like 15-20%
12:48	RandomMyanCat	So whats the real variable that defnes the speed?
12:49	RandomMyanCat	*Defines
12:49	Calinou	erm, 33%
12:49	Calinou	erm, 20-30%
12:49	Calinou	RandomMyanCat: nothing
12:49	RandomMyanCat	Is there an equation?
12:49	PilzAdam	FLOPS
12:49	RandomMyanCat	ok
12:49	Calinou	sort of
12:49	Calinou	but that doesn't make actual game performance, or daily use performance
12:50	RandomMyanCat	cores x clock x flops/cycle
12:50	VanessaE	RandomMyanCat: One simple way to understand it is that some processor instructions take longer than others. On a 6502, for example, a JUMP takes 6 cycles, regardless of the speed of the processor. The same sort of instruction on an x86 might take 1 cycle.
12:50	VanessaE	plus there are things like out-of-order execution, pipelining, and other stuff
12:50	VanessaE	a modern processor can appear to run more than one instruction at a time, per cycle, because of such things.
12:51	RandomMyanCat	Lol i just realized i got my nick wrong
12:51	VanessaE	but each architecture is different.
12:51	Calinou	some x86s CPUs have better IPC than others
12:51	Calinou	eg. AMD has worse IPC than intel :P
12:51	RandomNyanCat	This is very on-topic, isn't it?
12:51	RandomNyanCat	:P
12:52	VanessaE	what might take a million cycles to execute on one processor, might take only a few hundred thousand on another, and if they're at the same GHz, the second one will finish first.
12:52	RandomNyanCat	Whats a CPU cycle?
12:52	VanessaE	RandomNyanCat: a single oscillation of the CPU's master clock.
12:52	VanessaE	1 GHz = 1 billion cycles per second
12:53	PilzAdam	whats a computer?
12:53	* RandomNyanCat	puts a NyanCat on PlzAdam's head
12:53	reactor	?
12:53	RandomNyanCat	Sorry, just looking at the logs :)
12:53	VanessaE	PilzAdam: a device for turning time, drink, and food into headaches. :P
12:53	Calinou	RandomNyanCat: since is this channel on topic? :D
12:53	* MinetestBot	puts a pony on RandomNyanCat's head
12:53	RandomNyanCat	lol
12:54	RandomNyanCat	MinetestBot?
12:54	Calinou	since when*
12:54	RandomNyanCat	/afk
12:57	RandomNyanCat	/afk
12:57	Jordach	RandomNyanCat, you dont need to repeat that
12:58	RandomNyanCat	Would anyone like to join my server?
12:58	RandomNyanCat	one to start, one to end
12:58	reactor	Did anyone say "GLaDOS"?
12:58	RandomNyanCat	glaDoD
12:58	RandomNyanCat	glaDoS*
12:58	RandomNyanCat	DoS!
12:58	reactor	I am not GLaDOS.
12:59	reactor	Why not add desert_stone stairs to stairs?
12:59	Jordach	* [GLaDOS] (GLaDOS50.96.224.211): Genetic Lifeform and Disk Operating System
12:59	Calinou	stairs logic
12:59	Jordach	that's an actual whois
12:59	reactor	Good.
13:00	RandomNyanCat	94.197.127.73:30000
13:00	RandomNyanCat	Join please, i just set it up
13:01	VanessaE	reactor: I could add them to gloopblocks if no one has any objections.
13:01	RandomNyanCat	If anyone has any reason these two cannot be merged, you are to declare it now :P
13:02	RandomNyanCat	!up 94.197.127.73
13:02	MinetestBot	94.197.127.73:30000 seems to be down
13:02	RandomNyanCat	:(
13:02	RandomNyanCat	i see the server
13:02	RandomNyanCat	Try now
13:03	reactor	VanessaE: gloopblocks?
13:03	reactor	why not to the "stairs" built-in?
13:03	Jordach	!up 94.197.127.73
13:03	MinetestBot	94.197.127.73:30000 seems to be down
13:03	reactor	!up 255.255.255.25
13:03	RandomNyanCat	5.81.142.122
13:03	MinetestBot	255.255.255.25:30000 seems to be down
13:03	reactor	oops
13:03	reactor	!up 255.255.255.255
13:03	RandomNyanCat	haha
13:03	MinetestBot	255.255.255.255:30000 seems to be down
13:04	VanessaE	reactor: a mod NekoGloop started originally, I maintain it now as a sort of repository for all those "random" blocks that don't fit in anywhere else.
13:04	RandomNyanCat	!up 5.81.142.122
13:04	MinetestBot	5.81.142.122:30000 is up (501ms)
13:04	RandomNyanCat	There we go
13:04	reactor	MinetestBot: yeah the whole Internet is down.
13:04	VanessaE	as for putting them into minetest_game/built-in stairs, well, that's up to PilzAdam
13:04	NekoGloop	meow
13:04	PenguinDad	Hi MinetestBot
13:04	MinetestBot	Hello PenguinDad
13:04	VanessaE	meow.
13:04	reactor	VanessaE: mk
13:04	Jordach	you do realise RandomNyanCat is markv
13:05	Jordach	!op
13:05	VanessaE	(or whoever else wants to commit stuff to minetest_game, but it's mainly PA)
13:05	RandomNyanCat	IM not..
13:05	RandomNyanCat	lol is he on again
13:05	PilzAdam	Jordach, seems so
13:05	reactor	sfan5: I will also add some block conversions so that blocks don't get ignored
13:05	reactor	it's up to you not to accept them
13:05	PilzAdam	Jordach, banhammer
13:06	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/QFsBzlS.png
13:06	* NekoGloop	pats VanessaE's head
13:06		RandomNyanCat was kicked by Jordach: RandomNyanCat
13:06	PilzAdam	Jordach, look in the channel banlist, we have a ban on 5.81.142.122
13:06	reactor	Pwned.
13:06	Jordach	because i can
13:07	PilzAdam	can you remove the "5ec57f49gateway/web/freenode/ip." part?
13:07	reactor	Aha.
13:07	reactor	GLaDOS detected.
13:07	reactor	She uses to say that.
13:08	PilzAdam	Jordach, also I recommend /ignore SpamBot* PRIV
13:08	PilzAdam	he tends to spam PMs with it
13:10	PenguinDad	is mesecons still under development?
13:10	VanessaE	PenguinDad: yes
13:11	PilzAdam	last commit to master is from Jun 22, 2013
13:11	PenguinDad	that's why i have asked.
13:12	PilzAdam	I havent seen Jeija arround lately
13:12	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I just talked to him yesterday
13:12	VanessaE	he's been focusing on hardware hacking lately.
13:13	VanessaE	embedded devices, more specifically
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13:13	DontBanIExplain	Dont ban i will explain
13:13	PilzAdam	ÂµControllers?
13:13	DontBanIExplain	Why are ~100 nicks banned?
13:13	VanessaE	PilzAdam: IRL ones, I guess
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13:13	PilzAdam	DontBanIExplain, nothing to explain here
13:13	DontBanIExplain	All prefixed with my ip
13:14	PilzAdam	you are banned, stop reconnecting
13:14	VanessaE	DontBanIExplain: because ^^ of that
13:14	DontBanIExplain	GIveme reason
13:14	DontBanIExplain	Root Reason
13:14	VanessaE	DontBanIExplain: we don't tolerate open proxies here.
13:14	DontBanIExplain	Whats the root reason
13:14	PilzAdam	!op
13:14	VanessaE	because they're abused.
13:14	DontBanIExplain	[Reason 1] ->reason2
13:14	VanessaE	they're used to harass.
13:15		DontBanIExplain was kicked by PilzAdam: DontBanIExplain
13:15	VanessaE	PilzAdam: FAIL
13:15	PilzAdam	huh?
13:15	VanessaE	you lacked a * at the start of the domain part.
13:15	PilzAdam	ooops
13:15	VanessaE	better.
13:16	VanessaE	I wish we could just ban the whole damn webchat entirely.
13:16	PilzAdam	this guy is so annyoing
13:16	VanessaE	it takes zero effort to get a real IRC client
13:16	PilzAdam	^
13:17	VanessaE	(though at least we finally chased landmine off :) )
13:17	Calinou	VanessaE: some people still don't have a IRC client on hand, or are too lazy :P
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13:17	VanessaE	Calinou: then they're too lazy to have an intelligent chat :P
13:17	Calinou	the same reason people use the stock windows notepad, yeah
13:17	VanessaE	perhaps
13:17	reactor	they're too lazy to use a good OS
13:18	VanessaE	(despite windows having had Wordpad since, what, 95? :) )
13:18	NekoGloop	!@gateway/web/freenode/ip.*?
13:18	reactor	that's why they use Windows
13:18	NekoGloop	wouldn't that work...?
13:18	reactor	http gateway is yet another way nuisance users come
13:18	VanessaE	NekoGloop: it would.
13:19	VanessaE	but we haven't reached the point yet of just saying "ok, fuck this, all webchat users be gone!".
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13:26	Jordach	we need a chanserv message
13:26	Jordach	-[chanserv]- If you are using webchat, you are muted, to be unmuted, please install a IRC client such as hexchat or irissi
13:27	VanessaE	that's fair enough, but will anyone see it?
13:27	reactor	yeah
13:27	reactor	put it in the topic
13:27	VanessaE	reactor: no one reads the /topic
13:27	reactor	"webchat clients are muted. Use normal client oe GTFO"
13:27	VanessaE	just as no one reads a server's /motd (either IRC or minetest)
13:27	reactor	VanessaE: most clients type it out when one joins
13:28	PenguinDad	Then will DanDuncombe be muted :P
13:29	Jordach	they do it in -dev
13:30	Jordach	or MinetestBot should detect webchat users and PM them
13:31	PenguinDad	yes MinetestBot shÃ¶uld do this
13:31	PenguinDad	*should
13:31	reactor	if they're muted they will have time to read the topic and thin
13:31	reactor	k
13:34	PenguinDad	reactor: I think the PM is better
13:35	reactor	maybe
13:36	reactor	/notice
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13:41	PenguinDad	maybe /notice somebody In #minetest is Webchat muted.
13:46	* Jordach	makes a small video
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13:54	VanessaE	bbl
13:57	Jordach	jesus Sam looks good during animatics
14:01	Jordach	you know how minetest worlds are spawned in chunks?
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14:16	NekoGloop	we know, but does anyone care
14:18	PenguinDad	I don't know. D:
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14:31	Jordach	oh god, smooth electro house
14:41	reactor	oh god house
14:42	reactor	music died in the 90s
14:42	reactor	art died*
14:46	RealBadAngel	80-90's music is the best
14:47	Jordach	70-*
14:47	PilzAdam	the music of 2050 will be best
14:47	* Jordach	will be 60 by then
14:48	RealBadAngel	http://zp.tuba.pl/
14:49	RealBadAngel	this is online of Radio station that plays only 80-90
14:49	Jordach	!title
14:49	MinetestBot	Jordach: Radio ZÅ‚ote Przeboje - Muzyka mojego Å¼ycia
14:49	PenguinDad	I'll 50 then
14:49	RealBadAngel	now it plays "Only You"
14:49	RealBadAngel	by Savage
14:51	RealBadAngel	Jordach, translation of description: Radio of Golden Oldies: Music of my Life
14:52	RealBadAngel	now it plays Paul Anka's "Diana"
15:04	Jordach	heh
15:05	* Jordach	renders a 1080p video
15:06	sfan5	Jordach: blender, right?
15:06	Jordach	yup
15:07	Jordach	900 ish frams
15:09	Jordach	just a animation practice
15:09	Jordach	my walking isnt perfect
15:09	Jordach	nor is sittin down on surfaces which arent chairs
15:11	Jordach	i'll drop ot pm viewskew when it's done
15:12	Jordach	it on*
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15:34	rubenwardy	Hi all
15:35	Jordach	hey rubenwardy
15:35	Jordach	btw, i have a companion cube on my desk atm
15:39	PenguinDad	Hello rubenwardy
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15:40	Jordach	hey Calinou
15:40	Calinou	hi
15:41	sweminetest	khonkhortisan, the server had to restart. Now its online again.
15:41	Jordach	currently rendering a test animation to test my Sam ii model
15:42	* rubenwardy	is trying anno-online.com
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15:51	Jordach	Calinou has crap wifi
15:52	Calinou	ethernet
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15:57	Jordach	* Calinou has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) <- you pulled the cable out
16:00	Calinou	lol
16:00	Calinou	I killed xchat because it froze
16:01	Jordach	lol
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16:11	Jordach	^ join spam
16:14	reactor	xchat is shit
16:14	reactor	use a good client
16:14	reactor	that doesn't require mouse
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16:15	RealBadAngel	i have decided to add even more content to technic_game
16:16	RealBadAngel	technic_ambience is now a part of the game
16:17	Jordach	minetest technic now has a matmos equivilent
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17:15	ShadowNinja	I figured out how to stop Minetest from segfaulting, just run in in gdb. :-)
17:15	reactor	haha
17:15	reactor	quantum mechanics, ShadowNinja
17:16	reactor	observation affects the problem
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17:45	ShadowNinja	Is it fine if I rename the "Blocks" pages/categories on the wiki to "Nodes"?
17:46	kahrl_	dev wiki or user wiki?
17:46	ShadowNinja	User wiki.
17:46	ShadowNinja	Leaving a redirect behind.
17:46	kahrl_	leave it as "Blocks"
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17:48	sweminetest	I don't know why but minetest manages to grow to 78 degrees C pretty quickly without much effort on my laptop and burn my fingers :(
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17:48	kahrl_	sweminetest, it's the new biome support hmmmm added
17:48	kahrl_	or proller's weather changes
17:48	PilzAdam	ShadowNinja, tehre is a topic about this in the forums
17:49	PenguinDad	*by BlockMen
17:49	sweminetest	When I get myself a desktop computer this will be a non-issue.
17:49	hmmmm	back in the older versions when minetest was significantly slower and i was using my athlon 64 it'd push my computer to run its fans at full blast
17:49	hmmmm	no other program had ever done that
17:50	sweminetest	almost compared to running a Bitcoin miner.
17:50	ShadowNinja	PilzAdam: Have a link?
17:50	hmmmm	you could try increasing the server step interval a tiny bit
17:51	sweminetest	kahrl_, any tips on what to do when the temperature degrees start hitting the 'melting point'?
17:51	sweminetest	I could buy a desktop computer of course. I think I got the money
17:52	kahrl_	sweminetest: try hmmmm's suggestion
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17:52	sweminetest	hmmmm, I don't own the server. I'm playing on glo's server.
17:52	hmmmm	wow
17:52	sweminetest	or you meant something else probably.
17:53	hmmmm	is the 78 degrees from the graphics card?
17:53	sweminetest	Well this is a 4th gen intel card. It was the last generation which was integrated in the motherboard.
17:53	sweminetest	5th and later are integrated into the cpu.
17:53	hmmmm	er, try disabling shaders possibly
17:54	PenguinDad	And try disabling fancy trees.
17:54	hmmmm	also disable fancy tree leaves
17:54	sweminetest	unckecked shaders...it was checked :) thx
17:54	proller	kahrl_, weather is disabled by default
17:54	Calinou	"4th gen intel card" inb4 C2D IGP
17:54	sweminetest	fancy trees unchecked, thx :)
17:54	Calinou	aka. terrible thing :D
17:55	Calinou	sweminetest: 78Â°C isn't dangerous
17:55	sweminetest	Calinou, for my fingers it is dangerous, I burn them.
17:55	kahrl_	proller, it was a joke :P
17:55	sweminetest	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units#Fourth_generation
17:55	Calinou	then hold your laptop in a different way
17:55	sweminetest	Mine is a GMA 4500MHD
17:56	sweminetest	Calinou, not possible
17:56	sweminetest	Calinou, minetest is a game, or am I doing it wrong? :)
17:56	sweminetest	shaders and fancy trees are turned off. I'll try now.
17:57	Calinou	it is
17:57	sweminetest	Calinou, I use wasd to move so I need a hand on the keyboard.
17:58	sweminetest	Calinou, what is C2D IGP?
17:58	Calinou	core 2 duo IGP
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18:00	reactor	sfan5: so eh
18:00	reactor	I've added some blocks that don't have exact matches in MT
18:00	reactor	just so that they don't get wasted
18:03	reactor	And removed the origin in the middle.
18:03	reactor	I think it's better to have origin in the south-east corner
18:03	reactor	easier to align things together as you paste them
18:06	reactor	ftp://90.151.99.254/pub/tomtweschem-correct-z.patch
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18:11	reactor	Note I'm going down soon, and taking the system.
18:11	reactor	Nothing serious, just no torrents to do for a while.
18:15	* Jordach	grabs a copy
18:17	BlockMen	wow, minetest i getting really popular: alexa rank -> june: #203989, now: #136639, estimated: #112948
18:17	BlockMen	*is
18:18	* Jordach	is still waiting for a render to finish
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18:21	DanDuncombe	VanessaE, I see the server is updated. I have noticed a problem with hovercrafts though, if there is more than one of the same colour, they will both move even if only one is being used. If one get stuck against a wall, the one you are riding will go all slow and 'stuck in wall'.
18:22	VanessaE	yeah, I saw that
18:22	VanessaE	does your variant suffer the same issue?
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18:23	Jordach	ewmehgerd: http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Minetest
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18:24	reactor	hmm
18:24	Calinou	not new
18:24	reactor	CONTENT_IGNORE?
18:24	Calinou	reactor: btw, you can use (he)xchat with keyboard :p
18:24	reactor	it is because I'm loading a scheme too big?!
18:24	reactor	Calinou: screw it, not worth efforts
18:24	Calinou	Jordach: link to VCS is outdated :P
18:24	reactor	not efficiently
18:24	Calinou	yep
18:24	reactor	I noticed, if I load a big scheme, it will trim it
18:25	reactor	that's terrible
18:25	reactor	And I have to repeat myself to make it load the whole
18:25	Calinou	CONTENT_IGNORE is the 2nd hardcoded node with "air"
18:25	Calinou	it's a solid, opaque node that has no texture
18:26	reactor	hmm
18:26	Calinou	it's put in unloaded blocks
18:26	reactor	then no correlation
18:26	reactor	or
18:26	reactor	hmm
18:26	reactor	unloaded blocks
18:26	reactor	so it doesn't allot replacing unloaded blocks?
18:27	reactor	and have to policeman it around to see if everything is on place
18:28	Calinou	you can't place "ignore" nodes
18:28	reactor	Exactly: "Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE"
18:28	reactor	but what's it doing in a legit paste?
18:28	Calinou	don't know
18:29	reactor	there are no CONTENT_IGNORE blocks in it
18:29	Calinou	WE tries to place it if you give it unknown nodes
18:29	reactor	but I've been having some trouble with //set sandstone_brick
18:29	Calinou	it'll spam it :P
18:29	reactor	it does
18:29	Calinou	you mean //set default:sandstonebrick
18:29	reactor	yes
18:29	reactor	some blocks, too
18:29	reactor	sefault_
18:29	Calinou	you're typing them wrongly then ;)
18:30	reactor	strange.
18:31	reactor	But what about the weird cutting issue?
18:31	reactor	Is it WE trying to tell me to GTFO?
18:31	Calinou	maybe it's telling you to install linux :p
18:31	* Calinou	runs
18:33	reactor	Linux is bloated. And "bloat" is one of the stages of decomposition of a dead body FYI.
18:34	Calinou	so is minetest :P
18:34	Calinou	by your definition :P
18:34	reactor	And yes, I'm still mad at it for resetting my USB keyboard and mouse every bloody minute.
18:35	reactor	They work fine since I ditched it.
18:35	Calinou	wireless?
18:35	Calinou	if they are wired, they should normally always work
18:35	Calinou	except if your thing is weird in any way (eg. G710+)
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18:36	Jordach_	dafuq you smokin hexchat; No such device or address
18:36	reactor	no
18:36	reactor	they're wired
18:36	reactor	it also used to reset my USB disks
18:36	Jordach_	reactor, i'm ethernet
18:36	reactor	Jordach_: congratulations
18:37	reactor	Well, if they're weird, why do they work fine on any other OS?
18:37	reactor	But Linux?
18:37	Calinou	kernel regression, distro regression, or both
18:37	reactor	It has something to do with the kernel handling USB.
18:38	reactor	I have done all kinds of asshattery to get rid of it.
18:38	reactor	had*
18:38	VanessaE	never had an issue with debian(-based distros) resetting my USB devices. weird.
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18:41	NekoGloop	I like pie
18:43	Calinou	pie is a lie
18:43	reactor	"I like trains"
18:43	Calinou	karma trains*
18:43	reactor	No, it's the cake which is.
18:43	reactor	s/which/that/
18:43	reactor	And I am not GLaDOS.
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19:08	Calinou	http://www.crevis.net/index.html
19:09	Calinou	at least these guys used misa :D
19:09	reactor	mese
19:12	PenguinDad	We should go to the FSF
19:12	reactor	?!
19:13	Jordach_	PenguinDad, http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Minetest
19:14	PenguinDad	reactor because they have to provide the LGPL licensed part of their game
19:14	PenguinDad	*source code
19:15	Calinou	reading their changelogs, they did a lot of stuff, but I don't believe them
19:15	Calinou	they're selling prerelease for $5 ._.
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19:18	Jordach_	buys pre-release gives zipball to forum
19:19	Jordach_	everyone wins
19:19	Calinou	you can download current release for free, though
19:19	* Jordach_	takes a look inside
19:19	* Calinou	doesn't
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19:19	Jordach_	<jenni> MySQL.com compromised via SQL Injection attack. http://bit.ly/foQI7v (@mrdenny)
19:19	Jordach_	that just happened
19:20	Calinou	<jenni> I just got beat by Calinou at UNO! #uno
19:20	Calinou	:>
19:20	nolan_	is there a way to block people from PM? on forums.
19:20	Calinou	nolan_: nope
19:20	Calinou	why?
19:20	Jordach_	nolan_, best to ignore them
19:20	nolan_	dakotahipp wont quit pming me
19:20	nolan_	telling me i am a fail mod and to grow up
19:20	Jordach_	me and Calinou can't see what's happening as mods
19:21	Jordach_	your best bet is to ignore that S.O.B.
19:21	nolan_	he is so annoying
19:22	nolan_	jordach JW why do u hate public appreciation? :D
19:22	Jordach	i just do
19:22	Jordach	i hate attention
19:22	* Jordach	likes being a silent moderator
19:22	nolan_	what the heck
19:23	DanDuncombe	VanessaE, could you make it so any hovercraft that isn't ridden for more than 1 minute is removed? To avoid the bug.
19:23	Jordach	Calinou, laugh at crevis
19:23	Jordach	they installed misa as a texture pack
19:23	Jordach	and minetest_game is still there with each mod i can name
19:23	Calinou	I know
19:23	nolan_	i like internet attention on games i play but not in real life i kind of like, wish i could be here forever
19:23	Calinou	but look at their changelogs... do they actually have all these features ? I highly doubt
19:24	Jordach	this is like walking into a porn shop and finding out it's chess
19:24	VanessaE	I don't know much about entities, better you and stu should work on fixing it right
19:24	nolan_	how do i get rid of the stupid underscroe?
19:24	Jordach	/nick nolan
19:24	VanessaE	nolan_: /nick nolan
19:24	VanessaE	ninja'd.
19:24	Jordach	to me or you
19:24	nolan_	who uses nolan lol
19:25	nolan_	i have never seen a nolan
19:25	nolan_	beesides me durr
19:25	Jordach	VanessaE, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-08-01#i_3231540
19:25	Jordach	i ninja'd you
19:25	PenguinDad	which changelog?
19:25	VanessaE	Jordach: I know
19:25	DanDuncombe	VanessaE, I did an update to Camo, just to note: If you update, there is tnt, which you will want to remove.
19:26	Jordach	VanessaE, :D
19:26	VanessaE	DanDuncombe: I saw it, I'll take care if it shortly.
19:26	DanDuncombe	Ok.
19:26	DanDuncombe	Who thinks camo should include the player radar mod?
19:26	Jordach	your defusing a situatuion
19:26	Jordach	-u
19:27	VanessaE	DanDuncombe: naw
19:27	DanDuncombe	Okay, although it is intended for PvP.
19:27	thexyz	how about "no discussion, just wallpapers" rule here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6755 ?
19:27	VanessaE	DanDuncombe: post a message on the hovercraft thread about that all-moves-for-one-color bug you just mentioned
19:28	DanDuncombe	Okay.
19:28	DanDuncombe	Good idea.
19:28	VanessaE	thexyz: actually yeah, with the stipulation that it's spelled out that "discussion" posts may be deleted arbitrarily.
19:28	nolan_	Jordach, You have some time?
19:29	Jordach	mm?
19:29	nolan_	Like 10 free minutes?
19:29	Jordach	im still rendering a animation
19:29	VanessaE	also, why is that thread in Offtopic?
19:29	nolan_	Aren't you always :P
19:29	VanessaE	that's hardly off-topic for Minetest.
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19:30	VanessaE	DanDuncombe: mod updated, but tnt didn't need to be explicitly deleted, since you put it in as a mod.
19:30	thexyz	okay, moved to general
19:30	VanessaE	(so it never got in to begin with :) )
19:31	VanessaE	thexyz: maybe combine Calinou's thread into that one?
19:31	VanessaE	or rather, his actual post with the wallpapers
19:31	Calinou	or I could just repost them :p
19:36	DanDuncombe	Which looks better as radar? 1) http://i.imgur.com/8i7wy0G.png or 2) http://i.imgur.com/zTcRspu.png
19:37	* Calinou	votes 3) Rainbow Dash
19:37	DanDuncombe	Please be serious
19:37	Calinou	DanDuncombe: neither, bad texture :/
19:37	DanDuncombe	I mean the shape.
19:37	Calinou	shape 1 then
19:37	DanDuncombe	Okay, thanks. I will use that one.
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19:41	reactor	A bug.
19:41	reactor	In Burning's video renderer, some entities have misplaced textures.
19:41	reactor	Not just misplaced, but misplaced variably.
19:41	reactor	Depending on the entyty's placement.
19:42	BlockMen	who ever of the forum moderators did, thx for supporting! ->https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6755
19:42	mirda	hello :)
19:43	VanessaE	Calinou: nu? so re-post your wallpapers to that thread already :-)
19:43	Calinou	k
19:46	thexyz	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103187#p103187
19:48	VanessaE	oh G*d. please, run that whole damn post through a to-lower filter
19:48	Calinou	and convert the .rar into a better format while you're at it
19:48	mirda	my brother has a problem with minetest client - it automatically change minimal view distance and it causes extreme framedrops, on his old PC, is there any way how to disable the automatic change of minimal view distance?
19:48	Calinou	press R
19:49	mirda	Calinou: he did and what next?
19:50	Jordach	hit r again
19:50	Calinou	that works :D
19:50	mirda	you know this problem?
19:50	* NekoGloop	pats VanessaE's head
19:50	Calinou	yes
19:51	mirda	my bro didnt notice that it helps
19:52	VanessaE	mirda: either he turned on full range (the 'r' command), or he increased the view range dramatically (the +/- keys)
19:52	DanDuncombe	I am trying to change this, unsuccesfully, to apply to entities and players. I also tried to change it so it didn't give you a range of half the Y coordinate, but simply the Y coord. What do I change? http://pastebin.com/8YNFGzpQ
19:55	mirda	VanessaE: he didnt do anything, he just played and it changed on its self
19:55	VanessaE	mirda: he must have hit a key, it doesn't just change on its own suddenly like that
19:55	DanDuncombe	VanessaE,can you help with the code? PilzAdam, can you help? Can anyone help?
19:56	VanessaE	now, it will ramp itself up and down over time, but not in sudden, large steps
19:56	mirda	it happened in version 0.4.7 stable and git
20:00	DanDuncombe	Does anyone know the solution to the mod problem?
20:01	pitriss	VanessaE: but latest git client really have issues with FPS... I didn't press R for sure and on i7 with geforce 9800GT it have sometimes 14FPS, older client was constantly on 25-50FPS
20:01	DanDuncombe	Can anyone help with the mod?!?!?!?!
20:01	VanessaE	pitriss: I have noticed a lot of performance regressions, though I have gained back about half of what I've lost by adding PilzAdam's/Taoki's VBO code and Exio4's shader tweak
20:02	VanessaE	DanDuncombe: I couldn't even begin to help with that one, I've never used it
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20:02	DanDuncombe	I have actually solved ot now.
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20:02	Jordach	it took you 56 seconds to fix it
20:03	Jordach	holy shit
20:03	Jordach	100 people in #minetest
20:03	Jordach	3 + 97 = 100
20:03	Jordach	3ops, 97 users
20:03	DanDuncombe	I saw an extra self.y/2
20:03	DanDuncombe	Which was the problem
20:03	Jordach	brb
20:04	DanDuncombe	local connected= minetest.get_connected_players() How do I make this apply to entities as well, Jordach?
20:12	Jordach	uhm
20:13	DanDuncombe	Also, the player_radar mod won't actually show players on the radar. This seems unusual...
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20:17	DanDuncombe	VanessaE, is the player_radar mod in use on your server?
20:21	VanessaE	no
20:21	VanessaE	doesn't really fit with the theme of my server.
20:22	DanDuncombe	Do you know how to make the radar show entities, though?
20:22	VanessaE	nope
20:22	VanessaE	I know almost nothing about how entities work
20:22	DanDuncombe	Does anyone know?
20:23	DanDuncombe	But you made signs with letter entities...
20:24	VanessaE	nope, thexyz originally did
20:24	PenguinDad	DanDuncombe ask sapier or PilzAdam
20:24	VanessaE	I just added to his code to adapt it to what homedecor needed
20:24	DanDuncombe	Do you know why the radar won't show players when they are in the radar range?
20:25	DanDuncombe	They simply don't appear.
20:26	DanDuncombe	Does anyone know of any other suitable mods to adapt and add to camo_modpack?
20:27	Jordach	75 frames till my test anim is done
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20:29	PenguinDad	Hi kaeza
20:30	kaeza	hey PenguinDad
20:30	kaeza	sup
20:33	Calinou	hi
20:35	kaeza	hi Calinou
20:35	kaeza	nice wallpaper
20:36	kaeza	simple but elegant :P
20:36	Calinou	I made it like 1 year ago
20:36	Calinou	fun fact: windows makes these kind of wallpaper look like crap
20:36	Calinou	simply because windows converts wallpapers into .jpgs
20:37	kaeza	O_o
20:37	kaeza	not XP AFAIK
20:37	Calinou	at least windows 7
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20:37	Calinou	I bet XP does it too
20:37	BlockMen	Calinou, are you sure. at me the img lloks exactly the same as in browser, ps, or other
20:37	Calinou	>ps
20:38	Calinou	<redroid> BlockMen was choked with an oblong sandwich by Calinou like the tolling of some great beneathing of fists
20:38	Calinou	BlockMen: if you use it as wallpaper, it'll be converted into a .jpg
20:38	Calinou	see by yourself :P
20:38	Jordach	nope
20:38	Jordach	windows 7 doesnt convert
20:38	Jordach	vista does
20:38	Calinou	at least it did for me on win7
20:39	Jordach	(i'm using a png file RIGHT NOW)
20:39	Calinou	I saw the loss of detail easily
20:39	Jordach	oh no, i see JPG ARTIFACTS
20:39	Jordach	49 frames left :)
20:40	Calinou	so yes, they are converted into .jpg
20:40	Calinou	windows logic
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20:44	BlockMen	Calinou, only if you rightclick-> set as wp
20:45	BlockMen	if you set the the path manually it uses original png :P
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20:55	Jordach	jesus it's hot
20:58	Jordach	3 frames :O
20:59	reactor	you're ethernet?
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21:04	MinetestBot	GIT: prollergithub.com commited to minetest/minetest: Weather backward compatibility 06cdce1e12 2013-08-01T13:51:36-07:00 http://git.io/DYtfgg
21:04	MinetestBot	GIT: prollergithub.com commited to minetest/minetest: Leveled nodebox backward compatibility 0e89bca173 2013-08-01T13:50:58-07:00 http://git.io/GYTgLg
21:06	sokomine	hm, first attempt at road generation endet with everything buried and far away from the intended position
21:09	jin_xi	i was thinking about using pathfinding + lsystems for road construction
21:11	sokomine	lsystem seems to be a good idea for complex road systems, yes. but what can be realisticly placed is rather...small
21:11	sokomine	can't have a village with hundreds of houses
21:12	jin_xi	well, i mean using it directly with short axioms, just one width of the road with middle line
21:12	jin_xi	spawn along bresenham line between path-found nodes. voila
21:13	jin_xi	might also be possible without bresenham, if you calculate an angle for road segments
21:14	sokomine	and what kind of resluts do you get?
21:15	sokomine	something like that may be very fine for rivers. or roads that are not straight but go a bit back and forth
21:15	jin_xi	well, i have the bresenham thing ready and did some experiments with pathfinding, but thats about it
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21:17	sokomine	right now i'm trying to get one road to work (more or less)
21:17	jin_xi	makes sense
21:22	sokomine	thanks to place_schematic, everyting did at least spawn :-) some time ago that would not have been the case
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21:40	PenguinDad	Hello Menche
21:40	Menche	hi
21:41	PilzAdam	Jordach, hows the video going?
21:43	Jordach	rendered
21:43	Jordach	and crashes vlc player
21:43	Jordach	it also weighs 500+mb
21:44	PenguinDad	*like a LiveCD
21:45	Evergreen	Can't wait to see it Jordach. :D
21:46	Jordach	Evergreen, it's just a test for rendering
21:47	* Jordach	will convert to .ogv at some point
21:48	Evergreen	Ah, ok.
21:49	Jordach	80 frames in ogv weigh 500kb
21:49	Jordach	980 should weigh 20mb
21:56	Evergreen	.ovg rocks.
21:58	PenguinDad	OGV rocks for movies and OPUS rocks for music.
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22:13	NekoGloop	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lBVZHvAQE
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22:18	Exio4	hi
22:18	* kaeza	pokes Exio4
22:18	kaeza	sup man
22:20	Exio4	not much
22:20	Exio4	you? :P
22:22	kaeza	just chillin out
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22:27	jin_xi	fuck, i must have deleted the line3d file
22:27	jin_xi	oh well
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22:28	kaeza	?
22:30	jin_xi	i had some code lying around for placing nodes along a straight line between two positions, but cant find it anymore
22:31	kaeza	bresenham line algo?
22:31	kaeza	:P
22:34	nolan_	is IRC always this silent?
22:35	kaeza	at this time, yes
22:36	nolan_	when does it usually boom
22:36	reactor	Sleep is like death, isn't it?
22:37	Exio4	reading mt-dev log:
22:37	Exio4	[15:41:22] <+kahrl_> sapier1: not necessarily; some do it just for learning purposes, for example
22:37	Exio4	:D
22:38	reactor	That's a good answer.
22:38	reactor	I hate going to sleep.
22:38	reactor	Have to give up everything, break every thought.
22:39	nolan_	A serialization error has occured: unsupported nodebox version this server is probably running on a different version of mintest. -------How do i find this new version and get it, and if i do may i still connect to ones who havent updated?
22:40	Exio4	that 'bug' was fixed with the latest commit
22:41	nolan_	Well, it does not allow me to log into Landrush or Vanessa's server, or a few others, so what do i do?
22:42	Exio4	you should 'wait for them' to update their servers, or use a new win build..
22:42	Exio4	PilzAdam: ^
22:42	nolan_	They are the ones who updated, i have not
22:42	Exio4	yes
22:42	nolan_	im aking how to find this version so i can get in
22:44	Menche	there were a few commits today that say that they add backwards compatibility for weather/nodeboxes
22:44	Exio4	they? no
22:44	Exio4	proller broke it, he fixed it
22:46	nolan_	-___________________________--
22:46	Menche	the best way to get the very latest is to compile from git
22:46	nolan_	well even know i asked, did not get the info i needed, thanks for trying
22:46	Menche	if you use windows, there's several people who make windows builds from git
22:47	Exio4	tell PA to make a new win build
22:47	nolan_	i dont know how to use github its confusing
22:47	* Jordach	converts using ogv
22:47	Evergreen	It usually is to newcomers. :P
22:47	Jordach	Evergreen, imcoming coversion then upload
22:47	Evergreen	Yay!
22:48	reactor	Ethernet?
22:48	Jordach	reactor, yes, i use ethernet
22:48	Jordach	get over it
22:48	reactor	Well I use bananas.
22:49	Jordach	heh
22:49	Jordach	i play sims 2; live three days then die by being crushed by a satellite
22:50	reactor	Jordach: ain't war hell?
22:51	Jordach	reactor, sims 2 is a life sim
22:51	reactor	Oh.
22:51	Jordach	i die on day 3
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22:52	Menche	nolan_: this should be a pretty up to date windows build: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-c6cb97e-win32.7z
22:52	nolan_	Menche: if i update, will i still be able to join servers who have not updated to the newest version?
22:53	Exio4	yes, you should be able to
22:53	Menche	i'm not sure. you could probably have them both side by side
22:54	nolan_	Just wondering, how come somtimes peoples names are red and mostly black though?
22:54	Jordach	i turned 500mb file into 5mb
22:54	Exio4	nolan_: highlights, saying your nick
22:54	Jordach	JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
22:54	Exio4	are showed in red, in your with client
22:56	* VanessaE	peeks in
22:56	VanessaE	nolan_: any git build newer than June 22 should work fine on my server
22:56	Evergreen	Holeh crap jordach, that is a lot
22:57	Jordach	and it's still 1080p
22:57	Evergreen	0_0
22:57	* Evergreen	picks his jaw up off the floor
22:57	Jordach	http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/blender-render-test-2/
22:57	Jordach	aw, MG converted it to 640p
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22:58	Jordach	yes, this is a second test; i'm not very skilled at moving bones yet :)
22:58	Menche	why do people say '1080p'? Isn't it 1920x1080?
22:58	Jordach	Menche, yes
22:58	Jordach	the original avi render is
22:58	Evergreen	Ah well, still good
22:58	* Evergreen	is afk
22:58	Jordach	Evergreen, see the bending arms?
22:58	Evergreen	Yeah
22:58	Jordach	they look just like the mc animator ones, dony they
22:58	PilzAdam	Jordach, thats officially awesome
22:59	* Jordach	writhes
22:59	Jordach	ewww, public love
22:59	Evergreen	:D
22:59	nolan_	i love u jordach
22:59	nolan_	<3
22:59	* Jordach	's head explodes
22:59	PilzAdam	ladies and gentleman, MinetestBot:
23:00	PilzAdam	(she should post a commit message now)
23:00	marktraceur	PilzAdam: There's only one gentleman in?
23:00	marktraceur	Seems pretty unlikely
23:00	Jordach	Evergreen, nolan_, PilzAdam: that is the work of three days on that model; it shows mouth actions, the flexible arms, moving eyes, eyebrows and moving eyes
23:00	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Allow multiple 'wherein' nodes in oredef 0b77588e87 2013-08-01T15:55:16-07:00 http://git.io/5UfwEw
23:00	VanessaE	there it goes.
23:00	marktraceur	I blame the schools
23:01	PilzAdam	marktraceur, yea, its the schools fault that I dont know that the plural of man is men...
23:01	Jordach	VanessaE, you moved my post in trash; im deleting it
23:01	VanessaE	Jordach: the bendy arms/legs should be more confined to knees/elbows
23:01	VanessaE	I did? what post and when?
23:02	Jordach	the vps thing
23:02	VanessaE	I did?
23:02	PilzAdam	Jordach, btw, that is 640p
23:02	PilzAdam	not 1080
23:02	Jordach	PilzAdam, blame MG
23:02	VanessaE	actually the whole thread got moved, wasn't me
23:03	PilzAdam	no, I blame you
23:04	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/LE5ipzW.png
23:05	Jordach	the render took SIX HOURS.
23:05	Jordach	i will probably do my real video in 200 frames a piece
23:05	Jordach	so renders arent forever
23:07	marktraceur	PilzAdam: And that you don't use apostrophes properly
23:07	Jordach	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRchUwaZ6YA <- a mc animator; notice the closeness of my model to his
23:08	PilzAdam	marktraceur, no, thats just lazyness
23:08	marktraceur	It's hard to distinguish laziness from ignorance over plain text communication
23:08	Jordach	haha
23:08	marktraceur	Impossible, you might say
23:08	Jordach	zing!
23:09	* marktraceur	looks puzzled at Jordach
23:09	marktraceur	Valid point, I'd say
23:14	kaeza	[19:49:11] <Jordach> i play sims 2; live three days then die by being crushed by a satellite
23:14	kaeza	http://www.dorkly.com/comic/53117/sims-safety
23:14	nolan_	IRC is fun but every question i have asked i don't get the proper answer i need
23:15	VanessaE	"I'm sorry, our responses are limited. You must ask the right questions."
23:16	nolan_	How is there any right question
23:16	nolan_	A question is a question it cannot be right or wrong
23:17	kaeza	nolan_, http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
23:17	VanessaE	movie reference FAIL
23:17	kaeza	yup :P
23:17	nolan_	wow now i got a bunch of crap to read -_-
23:18	kaeza	lel
23:18	nolan_	i do not get u people
23:19	VanessaE	nolan_: what were your questions?
23:19	* kaeza	puts an 'y' and an 'o' on nolan_'s head
23:20	Evergreen	:O I see trackmania stadium on your desktop Jordach.
23:20	Evergreen	:D
23:20	Jordach	you can smell the open source
23:20	Jordach	MCSkin3D is OSS
23:20	nolan_	A serialization error has occured: unsupported nodebox version this server is probably running on a different version of mintest. -------How do i find this new version and get it, and if i do may i still connect to ones who havent updated?
23:20	Evergreen	I still love trackmania though
23:20	nolan_	Just wondering, how come somtimes peoples names are red and mostly black though?
23:21	VanessaE	nolan_: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-c6cb97e-win32.7z
23:21	VanessaE	use that.
23:21	nolan_	i downloaded it
23:21	VanessaE	for colored names, that's entirely up to your IRC client
23:21	Jordach	nolan_, download and extract a developer build; https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6727
23:21	Jordach	nolan_, red is when someone says your name
23:21	Jordach	black is when someone doesnt
23:21	Jordach	red nolan_
23:21	Jordach	see>
23:21	VanessaE	for me, yellow when someone says my name, light grey otherwise
23:22	VanessaE	(I use a terminal-like light-on-black scheme)
23:22	kaeza	for me, I don't know
23:22	Jordach	pfff
23:22	VanessaE	kaeza: poke
23:22	Jordach	i prefer green kaeza
23:22	kaeza	<-- colorblind
23:22	VanessaE	oh right
23:22	Jordach	wait what
23:22	VanessaE	forgot
23:22	Evergreen	Jordach: Suggestion about the player model. I don't like the way the whole arm bends along a single curve. Make it so that something smooths the gap in the joint
23:22	VanessaE	Evergreen: [08-01 19:05] <VanessaE> Jordach: the bendy arms/legs should be more confined to knees/elbows
23:22	Evergreen	Like in the video you mentioned
23:22	Jordach	Evergreen, it's based from taoki's model used in the current game
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23:23	VanessaE	Jordach: base it on stu's bendy arms-and-knees model
23:23	nolan_	VanessaE i downloaded it, opened the file, how is that helping me?
23:23	Evergreen	What vanessaE said
23:23	Jordach	VanessaE, two separate joints cant be smooth
23:23	kaeza	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202013-08-01%2020%3A22%3A31.png
23:23	VanessaE	nolan_: download it, extract it to your desktop, open the folder, and run the bin/minetest program
23:23	Jordach	in blender, faces are stretched when the faces are attached to other faces
23:23	VanessaE	Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86858#p86858
23:23	Jordach	thats why i've had to do it this way
23:24	Evergreen	They are in the minecraft animation. I suppose it would be difficult though
23:24	Jordach	VanessaE, i've talked to the boys in #blender
23:24	Evergreen	Considering Slamazow uses Autodesk Maya
23:24	Jordach	the arms are subdivided like hell to get that effect
23:24	Jordach	brb
23:24	Evergreen	*Slamacow
23:25	Jordach	Evergreen, i wont get that far in blender, but i've done well
23:25	Evergreen	Yes, you have. Maybe someone more experienced could give it a go
23:25	VanessaE	Jordach: someone, I forget who (might have been stu) had it figured out ages ago
23:25	Evergreen	You did a great job with it Jordach
23:25	Jordach	VanessaE, pavel_s
23:25	VanessaE	ok
23:26	Evergreen	Oh yes, pavel_s is awesome
23:26	nolan_	VanessaE so i just have the file open while playing game?
23:26	Jordach	idk how he did it. but i'll take a gander
23:26	VanessaE	nolan_: no
23:26	VanessaE	you just have to run the minetest binary that's in the bin folder
23:27	nolan_	VanessaE with your explanation that's how i took it
23:27	Jordach	VanessaE, ah, pavel's model uses inverse kinetics
23:27	nolan_	what the hell is a minetest binary
23:27	Jordach	which isnt very easy to work with
23:28	VanessaE	nolan_: a "binary" is a program file, basically anything that isn't an image, text, or video
23:28	VanessaE	inside the "bin" folder are two programs, minetest and minetestserver.
23:28	VanessaE	launch the "minetest" one and that's all you should need to do.
23:29	PilzAdam	who the fuck deleted my post in the wallpaper topic?
23:29	Jordach	uh oh
23:29	Jordach	pavel's model isnt a full model
23:29	nolan_	ll i did is click the file, it went to my desktop, and now i just play i do not do anything else?
23:29	Jordach	it's made of separate cubes
23:29	nolan_	all i did*
23:29	VanessaE	nolan_: what do you mean it "went to your desktop"?
23:29	PilzAdam	Jordach, ?
23:29	VanessaE	you mean you downloaded it?
23:30	nolan_	yes i clicked it, this file went to my desktop.
23:30	VanessaE	ok, now extract it.
23:30	Jordach	PilzAdam, his arms fold at the elbows
23:30	PilzAdam	did you deleted my post in the wallpaper topic?
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23:30	kaeza	did it died?
23:31	nolan_	Extract? you guys need to know when trying to help me to keep it at a 5 year old level, im pretty stupid
23:31	VanessaE	nolan_: to "extract" means to take a zip, 7z, tar.bz2, etc file and uncompress it back to its original folder and save that uncompressed folder somewhere, like your desktop
23:31	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/V0SqAGz.png
23:31	Jordach	spot the difference
23:32	VanessaE	in the one on the left, the elbows/knees look much more natural
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23:32	Jordach	VanessaE, exactly
23:32	Jordach	i've not found a way to bend it like so
23:33	Jordach	hold on
23:34	nolan_	VanessaE> nolan_: to "extract" means to take a zip, 7z, tar.bz2, etc file and uncompress it back to its original folder and save that uncompressed folder somewhere, like your desktop ------------ that did not help me at all for i said keep it at like a low low level im stupid
23:34	Jordach	i now understand how his arms / legs work
23:34	kaeza	nolan_, http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idp5140624
23:34	VanessaE	nolan_: I can't explain it any better than that.
23:34	PilzAdam	Jordach, delete it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103329#p103329
23:34	Evergreen	Aww, I really like Pavel_s's model
23:34	Evergreen	:(
23:34	nolan_	kaeza im not reading that
23:34	VanessaE	these are standard internet terms that have been in use for 30 years. you need to learn them.
23:34	VanessaE	s/internet/computer/
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23:35	VanessaE	nolan_: you need to uncompress the file you downloaded.
23:35	VanessaE	you cannot just "open" it.
23:35	Jordach	Edit By Jordach: The forums should allow people to comment, that's basically a communism in a nutshell. People can speak if they wish.
23:35	VanessaE	nolan_: maybe you need this: http://www.7-zip.org/
23:35	Evergreen	sigh just right click the .7z file and click on the thing that says "Extrcat"
23:35	Jordach	i'm defending PilzAdam; shit.
23:35	Evergreen	*extract
23:36	VanessaE	Evergreen: "extract"
23:36	Evergreen	Ik, just bad spelling
23:36	PilzAdam	thexyz, Jordach is abusing his moderator privs
23:36	VanessaE	Jordach: oh fuck! the world is gonna end!
23:36	VanessaE	:)
23:36	Jordach	deleted post
23:36	Jordach	ghost post
23:37	Evergreen	A real ghost post is one with text colored like the background. :P
23:37	VanessaE	nolan_: download that 7zip program and use it to extract the file you downloaded.
23:37	VanessaE	nolan_: download that 7zip program and use it to extract the minetest* file you downloaded.
23:39	nolan_	do i really need to download all this shit?
23:39	VanessaE	nolan_: this is how compressed files have worked since they were first invented.
23:39	bas080	Some things never change?
23:40	nolan_	i know darn well that i do not need to download that to extract or uncompress anything
23:40	VanessaE	nolan_: some formats like Zip are handled natively by Windows now, but some stuff is not.
23:40	VanessaE	7z is not Zip. unless Windows will let you extract the file and save it out as a folder fill of new files, you need to download 7zip and use that.
23:41	Jordach	good news everyone! i might have worked out how to do the bendy arms
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23:42	nolan_	okay i just got this thing i downloaded into an unzipped folder
23:42	bas080	Jordach, first see then believe
23:42	VanessaE	ok
23:42	VanessaE	open the folder
23:42	nolan_	Im following ya
23:43	VanessaE	in the folder, do you see stuff like mods, old, games, bin, etc?
23:43	hmmmm	www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-dies-in-car-accident
23:43	nolan_	no in the folder is just exactly what i downloaded
23:43	VanessaE	(well I'm not sure what all that particular build has, but you get the point)
23:43	VanessaE	hmmmm: 404.
23:43	hmmmm	aww :(
23:43	hmmmm	you didn't have to say that out loud
23:44	VanessaE	heh, sorry :)
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23:44	VanessaE	nolan_: screenshot please?
23:45	nolan_	oh great now i have to ask more questions, how do i gpost screenies here
23:45	VanessaE	nolan_: upload them to some place like flickr, imgur, or whatever your favorite image site is
23:45	nolan_	post*
23:45	VanessaE	post a link here.
23:46	Evergreen	Good job jordach. ;-)
23:47	nolan_	screw this u guys are no help
23:47	VanessaE	hey now
23:47	VanessaE	well fine
23:47	VanessaE	LEARN TO USE YOUR FUCKING COMPUTER!!!
23:47	VanessaE	G*D DAMN IT ALL!
23:47	PilzAdam	lol, VanessaE @ Capslock rage
23:48	PilzAdam	good job nolan
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23:48	Exio4	hi nolan_
23:48	Exio4	wb
23:48	arthelmath	yea hell
23:48	arthelmath	hello
23:49	arthelmath	arthelmath is my secondary name
23:49	Exio4	http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idp5140624
23:49	Exio4	more like, read the whole document
23:49	arthelmath	u have posted that 3 times, im not going to read it
23:49	Exio4	you asked 3 times wrong, nobody is going to answer you either :)
23:49	VanessaE	arthelmath: these are fundamental computer terms and skills - uploading images, unzipping files, etc. you need to learn this stuff.
23:49	arthelmath	im 14 what do u expect ?
23:50	VanessaE	I have little tolerance for people who want to use a computer but refuse to learn.
23:50	Exio4	hey man
23:50	Exio4	that isn't an excuse, you know? :)
23:50	VanessaE	I started computing when I was 11.
23:50	khonkhortisan	I know I'm just a pathetic newbie loser, but... that's the first time I've seen that link.
23:50	Exio4	6 here :3
23:50	khonkhortisan	I started earlier, idk when
23:50	PilzAdam	with 14 I coded java
23:50	arthelmath	im always stuck in my room
23:50	VanessaE	arthelmath: we expect you to learn. :P
23:50	khonkhortisan	somewhere around kindergarten
23:51	khonkhortisan	reader rabbit is better than kindergarten
23:51	PilzAdam	btw, "<VanessaE> LEARN TO USE YOUR FUCKING COMPUTER!!!" >> EpicQuotes.txt
23:51	VanessaE	yup
23:51	Exio4	we need a quote database!
23:51	Exio4	;P
23:51	PilzAdam	now "<DanDuncombe> Dammit! stupid question..." has a friend :-)
23:51	bas080	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_1011544443.png
23:51	bas080	can anyone tell what that is?
23:51	bas080	I made it btw
23:51	VanessaE	bas080: an ironing board
23:52	Kacey	looks like an ironing board
23:52	VanessaE	not sure what the rack is on the left.
23:52	Exio4	it is PilzAdam and a pony
23:52	bas080	indeed. it's for haning clothes
23:52	Exio4	nah, i don't know ;P
23:52	PilzAdam	Exio4, read as "it is a pony and a pony"
23:52	Exio4	ew D:
23:52	PilzAdam	thats probably grey and blue wool and really far viewing range
23:53	bas080	Ive been making nodeboxes within minetest lately.
23:53	bas080	I'll show you what i made
23:53	Evergreen	When I was 12, I knew more about computers than you nolan
23:53	khonkhortisan	I would show you what I'm making, but it's not the same as when it's finished.
23:53	VanessaE	arthelmath: translation of PilzAdam's quote of me, computers are not just "turn it on and it works like magic". you must learn how to use them properly, people do not like having to "dumb down" their instructions/advice for people who refuse to learn.
23:53	bas080	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_1011664417.png
23:53	khonkhortisan	I can think of someone on another channel like that
23:53	arthelmath	im TRYING to learn and im not getting help
23:53	Kacey	^^^
23:54	Evergreen	People are trying to help you
23:54	bas080	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_1011704150.png
23:54	PilzAdam	arthelmath, you have to learn on your own, dont annoy others with it
23:54	Kacey	arthelmath, check your PM i will help you
23:54	arthelmath	and im getting websites that have nothing to do with this
23:54	VanessaE	arthelmath: now. go download 7zip. Use it to EXTRACT [-] the minetest*.7z file you downloaded. Save the results to a new folder on your Desktop. Open the folder, and you should find "games", "mods", "bin", and a number of other things. Open "bin". Launch "minetest".
23:54	khonkhortisan	If you have a command-line image processor, you can have just-in-time one-pixel textures.
23:55	Evergreen	I basically tought myself computers nolan. ::P
23:55	Kacey	^
23:55	arthelmath	look im not even going to try ill be sitting here for 2 hours i know it, ill just wait till a new 0.4.8 version comes out then i woun;'t have to deal with this crap
23:55	khonkhortisan	I had some help when I learned
23:55	VanessaE	arthelmath: the same thing will happen with 0.4.8
23:55	khonkhortisan	if you're not going to try then you don't need help?
23:55	arthelmath	i have been using computers for about half a year -_-
23:55	Evergreen	I admit, I had a little help
23:55	VanessaE	and every other damn program you download that comes as a .zip or .7z or whatever.
23:55	VanessaE	YOU MUST EXTRACT THE COMPRESSED FILE BEFORE YOU CAN USE IT.
23:55	VanessaE	that is a hard and fast rule.
23:55	Evergreen	But i wasn't annoying people on minetest irc with it
23:56	bas080	Evergreen, i still don't know crap!
23:56	VanessaE	Sometimes Windows can do that on its own, sometimes it can't.
23:56	VanessaE	blame sfan5 for using 7zip
23:56	arthelmath	does it matter? people all get help different ways
23:56	khonkhortisan	Isn't there some kind of pop-up that says "unrecognized file format. Have windows search for an appropriate program to open it with?"?
23:56	Jordach	AHA
23:56	Kacey	VanessaE, almost always with .zip format
23:56	VanessaE	Kacey: I thought so.
23:56	Evergreen	SFAN5 please use zip so it will make our lives a lot easier
23:56	VanessaE	been years since I touched a windows box.
23:56	Evergreen	d:
23:56	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, AFAIK it never found a correct program
23:56	Jordach	the method i used does do it like pavel_s did; but it aint as smooth..........yet
23:57	Evergreen	Keep at it jordach
23:57	Evergreen	:D
23:57	khonkhortisan	I get a dialog like that when firefox opens lua
23:57	khonkhortisan	or was it kate?
23:57	PilzAdam	7z had ~5MiB while zip has ~8MiB for Minetest builds
23:57	PilzAdam	I understand why sfan5 uses 7z
23:57	arthelmath	ShadowNinja
23:57	VanessaE	3MB difference ain't worth the headaches.
23:57	khonkhortisan	ShadowBot
23:58	Evergreen	Actually, .tar.gz does a better job of compressing
23:58	PilzAdam	Evergreen, no
23:58	VanessaE	use .tbz2 - windows handles that doesn't it
23:58	VanessaE	?
23:58	khonkhortisan	VanessaE, it is if 7zip fits in 3MB
23:58	PilzAdam	VanessaE, sfan5 hosts all these builds on his own computer AFAIK
23:59	Evergreen	That changes a lot. :P
23:59	Jordach	i know how to do the model; but i'm off to bed
23:59	VanessaE	my .deb builds always hovered around 6MB, run-in-place builds were about 14, but that's for Linux and I think the latter includes the source code.
23:59	Evergreen	Good night jordach. ;)
23:59	Evergreen	Whoops. a little to late

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