Time Nick Message 00:00 OldCoder Hmm 00:08 JesseH Forgot that you were in here OldCoder :P 00:10 OldCoder 00:10 OldCoder Only for a year 00:10 OldCoder I need to have a word with PilzAdam I think 00:10 OldCoder 00:10 JesseH Theres a couple things I wanted to try with this game. 00:10 OldCoder Oh? 00:10 arsdragonfly He's gone :-P 00:10 JesseH Not sure how long I will stick around. 00:19 OldCoder 00:20 OldCoder arsdragonfly, I know... that's why the hmm. He and I need to have a talk. JesseH Do you mean tonight? 00:20 * OldCoder will bbs 00:20 JesseH OldCoder, Around with this community. I am not active here :P 00:21 JesseH Good gawd minetest is taking forever to make xD 00:22 JesseH make/build 00:25 JesseH and it errors >_> 00:25 JesseH Screw it, ill download a precompiled version :P 00:28 OldCoder 00:28 arsdragonfly JesseH why not pastebin the error message 00:28 OldCoder sokomine, Hi! 00:28 * OldCoder will bbs 00:31 JesseH arsdragonfly, and spend that same time getting back up to that point? no 00:39 JesseH shit, how do I craft things in minetest 00:39 OldCoder Back 00:40 JesseH welcome back 00:41 JesseH It takes like 3 seconds for a block to show up when I place it 01:41 LazyJ VanessaE, I just noticed that a lot of the mod items aren't showing up in the inventory screen on your server. 01:41 LazyJ Is there a limit to Unified Inventory's capacity? 01:42 LazyJ Or is something conflicting with the bump-up from 4096 (items?)? 02:01 oxenfreedan does anyone here use fedora linux? 02:01 oxenfreedan or mint? 02:01 oxenfreedan or even both? 02:01 nalkri I don't know. 02:06 VanessaE LazyJ: what items? 02:07 Exio4 hi 02:07 VanessaE LazyJ: if you mean things like stained glass, colored wood, unified bricks, etc., I took them out of the inventory to reduce the clutter. Use sokomine's paint booth object to obtain them. 02:12 LazyJ Ah, thanks. 02:14 LazyJ Did you have to go through each item's code and hide it from inventory or were you able to use an easier method? 02:28 Exio4 VanessaE: do you have some spare 450USD? :D 02:28 VanessaE not even. 02:28 Exio4 ;P 02:28 VanessaE LazyJ: I altered each of the mods 02:28 VanessaE I only did that with those mods that add large numbers of colored nodes. 02:31 LazyJ VanessaE, that's a big undertaking. 02:31 VanessaE eh, it was easy 02:31 VanessaE took me all of 10 mins or so 02:32 LazyJ I just went through several our mods blocking somethings from inventory, fixing recipes for others so they would show in the craft guide. 02:32 LazyJ My head hurt from staring at all the code. :p 02:33 LazyJ During that process I had to create aliases for wood and cobble. 02:34 LazyJ The default mod's init uses "group:wood" and "group:stone" for chests and tool recipes but that fubared in the craft guide. 02:35 LazyJ Why the shift from default:wood/cobble to group:wood/stone ? 02:35 NekoGloop for mod-added wood/stone 02:36 VanessaE so that any random wood could, for example, make a fence or sticks or wnatever 02:37 LazyJ So does that mean RBA needs to update Unified Inventory to accept group:material-type? 02:37 VanessaE dunno 02:37 VanessaE ask him :) 02:37 VanessaE (probably, not) 02:38 * khonkhortisan puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head - Argooon didn't want it 02:39 LazyJ mhm... will do when time-zones work-out. ;) 02:40 Exio4 i need about 5500 ARS (1100~ USD) for what i want :( 02:57 * OldCoder will return later 03:13 Kacey Every time I see a label on something that says Non-Flammable, the little voice inside my head goes... Challenge Accepted! 05:44 PenguinDad |-|€110 €\/€|2`/|°€|\|9|_|;|\| 06:54 Jordach hey Taoki[mobile] 06:55 Taoki[mobile] Hi 06:55 Jordach ^ Samsung Galaxy S3 user 06:55 Taoki[mobile] :) 06:55 Taoki[mobile] It says that on my nixk? 06:55 Taoki[mobile] Nick i mean 06:57 Jordach nope.avi 06:57 Taoki[mobile] Ok :) 06:58 Taoki[mobile] Thought its in irc user info 07:34 PenguinDad Taoki[mobile] you are using AndroIRC 07:41 kahrl Hey guys. I'm sorry I haven't been very active lately. I'm in sort of an existential crisis 07:43 VanessaE kahrl: what's wrong 07:43 VanessaE ? 07:43 kahrl I think I found a problem in the proof of the Futurama Theorem 07:43 kahrl it doesn't work when you choose i = k 07:44 VanessaE oooookay then 07:45 * VanessaE sucks at math :P 07:54 LazyJ VanessaE, your server doesn't have a fraction of the lag (or the perception of lag) ours does, yet you have a tremendous amount of mods. Does that reduce the possible causes to the server hosting service? I have a hefty cpu and cable Internet and still get a lot of snap-back while ingame. :/ 07:55 VanessaE most of the lag you'll get from a server comes down to three things: anti-cheat (I disabled it), mods that hook into the mapgen (like moretrees or, say, snow mod or so), and network latency (can't do much about that) 07:56 VanessaE since most of the interesting parts of the map (i.e. with about 3km of the spawn) are already generated, there's not much lag from that part, until someone explores new ground. 07:57 LazyJ Oddly, the "lag" is greatest at our spawn point. 07:57 LazyJ "Lag", is becoming a general term for sluggish game-play. 07:57 VanessaE lag only applies to latency between actions and the server answering. 07:58 VanessaE it doesn't apply to poor client performance, e.g. low fps 07:58 LazyJ I used to think it was a connection problem for players (and old hardware). 07:59 LazyJ I have 60fps while ingame so the problem(s) are elsewhere. 08:00 VanessaE I'm lucky to get 25 fps at the spawn on my server, even with the default textures 08:00 VanessaE but again, that is not lag as it doesn't really involve the server itself or the network, that's low performance in the client 08:01 LazyJ Yeah, "lag" isn't the proper term... but players use it like "Xerox" or "Kleenex". 08:01 VanessaE and if I'm using HDX + shaders + blah blah blah, I can't seem to even get a consistent 20 fps anymore. 08:01 * Taoki[mobile] wonders if RealBadAngel has any news on parallax shader or fog colors code 08:01 VanessaE players may use it, but you must work on correcting them when you see it :-) 08:02 VanessaE Taoki[mobile]: he's very close, as I understand 08:02 LazyJ I'm still struggling to remember the definition myself. :p 08:03 VanessaE simple: if it involves the server doing something, or recognizing you doing something, or the network in between, it's lag. 08:03 LazyJ One of the many things on my MT to-do list is to try to learn/figure out where and why our server is suffering so badly. 08:03 Taoki[mobile] Yay... cant wait 08:03 VanessaE if it doesn't - i.e. it's in the client - it's whatever it directly appears to be, low fps or whatever 08:03 LazyJ Hmm... dug blocks reappearing = lag? 08:04 VanessaE yep 08:04 LazyJ Flying to a location then suddenly snapping back to the place you started from = lag? 08:05 VanessaE yep 08:05 VanessaE and that one's something called "lagporting" or "lag-teleporting". 08:05 LazyJ Ok, I think I'm starting to get a bead on the term. 08:06 LazyJ The host is using a virtual machine, I think. 08:06 VanessaE that...doesn't help. 08:07 VanessaE particularly if the host has too many other processes running and consuming CPU or network bandwidth 08:07 LazyJ I've been wondering if that may be at the core of our issues. 08:07 VanessaE it might 08:07 LazyJ You host your server on your computer, sans-virtual machine, correct? 08:07 VanessaE yep on both counts 08:08 VanessaE behind a 30/3 cablemodem service, without any excess intervening hardware or other services running, just a decent firewall 08:08 LazyJ So what search terms do I use to find a hosting service that doesn't use a virtual machine but a real, dedicated machine? 08:08 VanessaE it helps that it has 6 cores, so I can do other stuff e.g. youtube or MT client without issues. 08:09 VanessaE I think the only way you'll get that is if you co-locate. 08:09 LazyJ Co-locate? 08:09 VanessaE though some VPS's might give you access to your own machine 08:09 VanessaE "co-locate", or "co-lo" means to pay for space and bandwidth to host your own hardware, which you either ship to the NOC or take it there yourself. 08:10 LazyJ Hmm.... I assume a the cost is far greater. 08:10 VanessaE considerably so 08:11 LazyJ All for a free game for other player to play for free. Heh, nothing is truly free. 08:11 VanessaE heh yep 08:11 kahrl just dive into the atlantic, find the internet connection between europe and america, and hook your server to it 08:11 VanessaE better to just get a really good broadband connection and run it on your own hardware at home 08:11 VanessaE kahrl: heh 08:12 LazyJ Well, unfortunately the government doesn't like competition otherwise I'd just print off a few million or billion. :0) 08:12 Taoki[mobile] Open-Source proved some tbings can be fully free 08:12 VanessaE LazyJ: when you get around to doing THAT, print me a few hundred thousand and I'll be perfectly happy :-) 08:13 LazyJ You know... at the rate they are going, how would they notice a few privately printed millions. :/ 08:13 VanessaE heh 08:13 VanessaE well I'm not greedy :P 08:13 LazyJ Ahk... this is straying from Minetest stuff. My apologies. 08:14 VanessaE this isn't -dev, so it's okay to go off-topic occasionally :) 08:14 * Jordach dosent care if we're offtopic, human chat tends to go casual like that 08:14 Jordach im an OP that doesnt give a shit about the topic, except ones that are stirring the shit tank 08:15 LazyJ A co-worker and I often kvetch about not winning the lottery. Our thoughts are not to win big, just win enough. 08:15 Taoki[mobile] Offtopic is prolly ok here 08:15 VanessaE LazyJ: Abe and I are the same way 08:16 Taoki[mobile] Juat not -dev 08:16 Jordach meh, i'm inerhiting 270k from my father :P 08:16 Jordach screw the lottery 08:16 Jordach (in theory i *could* live off the interest) 08:16 VanessaE Jordach: care to spare ~$5000 or so? I've got an eBay watch list .... ;) 08:17 Jordach how about noooooo 08:17 VanessaE :( 08:17 VanessaE you suck :( 08:17 LazyJ Heh, yeah. I'd be happy with a reliable clunker and a small house. The rest of the "million" would buy me the freedom from a timeclock for the rest of my life. 08:18 Jordach VanessaE, my mother said bring me my corn flakes packet, but it's actually a box 08:18 Jordach VanessaE, maybe 08:18 * Jordach gives out some bitcoin 08:18 LazyJ Ugh... Dear Cat is bellowing. brb 08:24 LazyJ Sometimes I forget that she isn't a spry kitten any more. The vet even confirmed that Dear Cat is officially a "senior" now. Where have the years gone? 08:27 LazyJ So what does this "Items definitions..." do during the loading screen? 08:27 VanessaE time for me to head off to bed. 08:27 VanessaE niht. 08:27 VanessaE night* 08:27 LazyJ G'night :) 08:31 PenguinDad |-|€110 (41;|\|0|_| 08:31 Calinou hi 08:31 LazyJ Howdy ;) 08:45 khor hi 08:46 khor How to configure a remote server minetest? 08:47 Calinou remote server? 08:49 khor I have a ssh access to the server and I not find the file minetest.conf 08:49 Calinou it's not there by default -- start the server at least once 08:49 Calinou or rename minetest.conf.example to minetest.conf, edit it and uncomment the modified entries 08:50 khor I have already started 08:53 khor I just found "/ usr / share / doc / minetest / minetest.conf.example.gz" 08:54 * Calinou facepalm 08:54 Calinou khor: I hope you're not using 0.3.x 08:55 khor I use 0.4.7 08:55 Calinou ah 08:58 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Friday and happy One Voice Day! :-D 09:02 Jordach morning JamesTait 09:02 * Jordach suggests your british 09:02 Jordach okay, either irish or british 09:02 Jordach dunno why i typo'd 09:03 JamesTait Jordach, is it the timezone? It's the timezone, isn't it? I knew it! 09:03 JamesTait :-P 09:03 Jordach JamesTait, haha 09:03 * Jordach knows someone with the surname Tait, and his father is James 09:03 Jordach i actually wtf'd on that 09:03 JamesTait Shhhh! 09:04 Jordach you said it in this channel before, when gassyBritish was looking for a cloak 09:04 * JamesTait nods 09:04 Jordach (in fact you were using your droid at the time) 09:04 * Jordach doesnt even need scrollback :P 09:05 Jordach btw, made a sword in blender: http://i.imgur.com/JUUbdFN.png 09:06 JamesTait Funny (ish) story - just after Christmas I got an e-mail from an airline confirming my flight a couple of days later. I knew nothing of this flight, so I asked our company travel agent. 09:06 JamesTait Turns out there's another James Tait working in the company and the ticket was for him. 09:06 Jordach oh god theres irony 09:06 JamesTait He usually goes by his middle name, Nick, so nobody noticed. 09:07 JamesTait But his passport says James Nicholas Tait. 09:11 JamesTait Jordach, nice weapon! :) 09:12 Jordach sword how has an underside 09:12 Jordach now* 09:12 Jordach JamesTait, low poly model in blender 09:12 Jordach ~ 1 hours work 09:13 JamesTait For me, ~10 hours. 09:13 Jordach heh 09:13 Calinou Jordach: that looks like a knife, not really a sword 09:14 Jordach Calinou, it's longer in the .blend file 09:14 Calinou that said, it could be used in red eclipse, given how much the sword sucks :D 09:14 Calinou also, low poly :( 09:14 Calinou it's 2013 09:15 Jordach the RE Sword is also low poly 09:16 Jordach it's not that much different 09:28 MasterBot Hi 09:28 MasterBot I have to choose between Puppy Linux (~100MB) and Porteus (~200MB) 09:29 MasterBot Porteus can connect to network ,Puppy cant but puppy can make backups 09:29 MasterBot Which one can support minetest Compiling? 09:29 PenguinDad Both can do it. 09:30 Calinou have fun getting dependencies without network 09:32 PenguinDad For me network works with Puppy but... 09:32 PenguinDad ... only Ethernet. 09:34 Calinou no firmware, yes 09:34 Calinou and this is why you use *buntus or mint :P 09:34 Calinou or any user friendly distro 09:37 MasterBot Puppy linux sound minstream 09:37 MasterBot *mainstream 09:37 MasterBot But porteus is very similar to my Lubuntu 09:38 MasterBot They both can run from RAM, though 09:38 Calinou lol it isn't 09:38 MasterBot How do i get both and then get an option at boot to choose? 09:38 Calinou all the live distros run from RAM 09:38 MasterBot For me it is, i customized it beyond repair 09:39 MasterBot Okay, then i need to update lol 09:41 MasterBot or i have the option to do fuck all and install Tiny Core Linux 09:42 Jordach MasterBot, ArchLinux 09:42 PenguinDad if want to run both on a USB stick use multisystem 09:43 MasterBot Thats what i need ^^ : 09:43 MasterBot :) 09:43 Calinou lol harsh linux 09:44 MasterBot LXDE and KDE or XFCE 09:44 MasterBot Sounds like bullshit to me 09:47 PenguinDad Multisystem has a very good french translation but the english is good too. ;) 09:58 MasterBot Im trying Porteus XFCE 09:59 * PenguinDad uses Xubuntu. 10:00 PenguinDad But at the moment I'm thinking about changing to ArchLinux 10:02 Calinou lel harsh linux 10:02 Calinou xubuntu ftw 10:05 RealBadAngel Taoki[laptop], i finally found the way to properly calculate tangent space vectors 10:06 RealBadAngel i will calculate all the vectors, normal, tangent and binormal in core, they will be stored in tile itself and passed to shaders 10:07 RealBadAngel normal vector was already calculated in core but wasnt passed to shaders at all, it was used just for light calculations 10:19 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:24 RealBadAngel hi PA 10:43 Taoki[laptop] RealBadAngel: Awesome. When will that be upstream? 10:59 Exio4 VanessaE: eww 11:00 Exio4 [05:16:45] Jordach: care to spare ~$5000 or so? I've got an eBay watch list .... ;) 11:00 Exio4 i need those 5k! :P 11:01 Calinou Exio4 is the G27 fanboy in our screwed up family 11:02 Exio4 yeah 11:02 Exio4 me wants a g27 11:22 Calinou hi Zeg9 11:22 Calinou lol tor :p 11:23 Jordach Calinou, where am I in the fucked up family 11:25 Zeg9 Hello 11:42 PenguinDad Hello cisoun 11:47 Jordach cisoun, get your ass working on CTP11 11:50 cisoun I know I know :-> 11:50 cisoun I'm on holidays now. I can do that. 11:50 cisoun And I already made some new textures. 11:51 cisoun PenguinDad: hi ! 11:54 Jordach cisoun, make your texture pack a github repo 11:58 * Calinou puts their warrior baguette back in their pocket 11:59 Jordach kill the infiltrator. Zeg9 is using SASL 12:00 Zeg9 ...whats the problem with sasl? 12:01 Exio4 sasl is awesome 12:01 Exio4 it doesn't leak your ip to anyone using /monitor +, but there are ways to get it 12:01 Exio4 (+ tor = l33t) 12:01 Exio4 i would use it if didn't care about latency tho 12:29 * Jordach likes diamonds http://i.imgur.com/ZpNS2D2.png 12:29 Calinou trackmania in launch bar \o 13:54 bulldog98 hi I'm prepering a performance impovement for minetest (just rewritten for loops), and I wanted to know if I should do a commit per file or a huge commit to propose a pull request on github 13:54 nalkri You should probably ask in #minetest-dev 13:55 Jordach bulldog98, you cant talk in -dev, it requires a real IRC client 13:56 Jordach webchat users cannt speak 13:56 nalkri Oh, sorry for bad advice 14:24 MasterBot Hello everyone! 14:24 PilzAdam bbl 14:25 MasterBot Tiny Linux Core Plus using now 14:25 MasterBot i need help setting resolution and getting all dependencies for minetest 14:25 MasterBot I know as far as Xorg 14:43 hoodedice Soup? 14:44 MasterBot Kechupp 14:44 MasterBot !OldCoder! 14:44 OldCoder MasterBot, Hi 14:49 hoodedice Heya coder 14:52 hoodedice *dead chat* 14:52 Calinou http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest - [surprised TF2 heavy face]... I'm surprised it wasn't removed already 14:55 hoodedice It is a good article. Just needs some citations 14:55 Calinou it's quite worse than the old one that was removed 14:55 hoodedice 'Nominated for deletion' wtf? 14:56 Peacock MCers gonna hate lol 14:56 Calinou yeah see 14:56 Calinou it is advised not to edit it with your real name 8D 14:56 Calinou (or user name) 14:56 Calinou Peacock: true 14:56 Peacock well theyre are prolly some very pro-MC editors 14:56 Peacock at least for english wiki 14:56 Calinou there are 14:57 Calinou it's fun, since wikipedia is supposed to be a "free" encyclopedia 8D 14:57 Peacock though isnt there some mechanism to protect an article from biased editors? 14:57 Calinou anyway, it's not that important to have minetest on wikipedia, but it's still good 14:57 Calinou Peacock: theorically you aren't supposed to edit or create a page if you have a relation to the project 14:58 Calinou but that rule is beyond stupid because there are tons of well intented editors who get their pages removed due to this... 14:58 * Calinou finger faces wikipedia 14:58 Peacock so how do they know the person posting the page is a dev? 14:58 Calinou nicknames 14:59 Jordach btw, i might start contributing to wikipedia and then create the mt page under a different nick 14:59 Jordach solves the problemn 14:59 Jordach -n 14:59 Peacock does the rule apply to players too, are they considered related? 14:59 hoodedice What the heck That discussion is as biased as peace talks between Israel and Palestine !! 15:00 hoodedice What do those people think? 15:00 hoodedice What then is a good source if it is not the main site? Blogs? 15:00 Peacock israel palestine solution = build a wall around it and let them fight it out lol (hunger games?) 15:01 Peacock maybe 15:01 Peacock by sources they want something outside the project 15:01 Peacock perhaps if someone got a few articles written about minetest 15:02 Peacock that would constitute an outside source 15:02 Peacock like indiegamemag 15:02 hoodedice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlightGear 15:02 hoodedice About five of 20 sources are from the main site 15:03 hoodedice I just don't understand how 'outside sources' can be more reliable 15:03 Peacock yeah but the other sources are what, fan and content sites? 15:03 Peacock " the article doesn't have the significant coverage in reliable secondary sources necessary for it to pass the general notability guideline. " 15:03 hoodedice You wanna know about, say Islam, you ask a Muslim, not a Christian ! 15:03 hoodedice Wikipedia is crass. 15:03 hoodedice -.- 15:04 Peacock id say get the game covered by indie publications first, then the wiki article 15:05 hoodedice Just type minecraft alternatives 15:05 hoodedice You'll get many of them 15:05 Peacock on the talk page: "If you came here because http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2876, please note that this is not a majority vote, " 15:05 Peacock the irony lol 15:05 hoodedice I'd seen that 15:05 Peacock wikipedia and devs think alike at least :p 15:05 hoodedice Irony indeed 15:06 hoodedice Yeah, why don't we use some 'alternatives' site for sources? 15:06 Peacock because someone else has to write about minetest 15:06 hoodedice Or how about getting penguspy to write on it? 15:06 Peacock putting up our own fansite/content sites don't count since wed be considered related 15:07 hoodedice Here is one, by a person NOT connected to the main site 15:07 hoodedice http://download.cnet.com/Minetest/3000-20416_4-75846519.html 15:08 Peacock download site 15:08 Peacock you wont find a wiki article for every piece of software there :P 15:09 hoodedice Yeah, but the info could be considered, right? 15:09 Peacock not really 15:09 Peacock since its probably one of us who put it up there lol 15:09 rubenwardy See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbcG5Zg2bFOMTW_3EgFeIGKqvcA-Lhp-mGdDOaiQKP4/edit?usp=sharing 15:09 hoodedice wut? lol 15:09 hoodedice Another: http://www.squidoo.com/games-that-are-like-minecraft 15:10 hoodedice Hey Rubun, Thanks bro] 15:10 hoodedice *Ruben 15:10 rubenwardy Wiki has been tried before 15:10 Peacock mmmm, reubens' sandwich 15:10 rubenwardy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest 15:11 Peacock ? "And there is the question of most Minetest images being deleted for copyright violations" 15:11 hoodedice Which images? 15:11 hoodedice on omdlr? 15:11 Peacock i dont know 15:11 hoodedice LAWL ! 15:11 hoodedice I guess those must be it 15:11 rubenwardy they were screenshots 15:11 Peacock that one caught me by surprise too 15:11 hoodedice Yeah 15:11 rubenwardy no copyright violations 15:11 hoodedice I guess ompdlr 15:11 rubenwardy no 15:12 rubenwardy wikipedia upload 15:12 Peacock images are removed, but for a variety of reasons (dead host), never for copyright 15:12 Peacock unless notch is doing secret DMCAs 15:12 hoodedice Copyright violations of what? Minecraft? 15:12 Peacock but i doubt they give a far 15:12 hoodedice Another one 15:12 Peacock *fark 15:12 hoodedice http://itsfoss.com/minetest-free-alternative-of-minecraft-get-it-in-ubuntu/ 15:12 hoodedice This one looks good 15:14 hoodedice Another tiny one : http://jonnyholroyd.x10.mx/2013/05/minetest-an-open-source-minecraft-alternative/ 15:14 hoodedice We'll spam wikipedia with sources :P 15:15 nalkri How notable do the sources need to be? 15:15 nalkri We could all blog :p 15:16 thexyz just create a page in each language 15:16 thexyz apart from english 15:16 rubenwardy EMagazines, review sites with closed staff... 15:17 hoodedice Lets not talk about making our own sources. They'll throw us out 15:17 rubenwardy see Wikipedia's reliability and notibility policy 15:17 hoodedice If I wanted, I could've made two or three in different languages. But we can't :/ 15:18 nalkri I thought that was obviously a joke 15:19 hoodedice Can't use forums either? 15:20 hoodedice Minecraft forums? 15:20 rubenwardy Who is Abdul Mujeeb? 15:20 Peacock just bug some magazine/website editor to write an article/review about it, pretty much what they seem to want 15:20 hoodedice I don't know 15:20 rubenwardy on gmail 15:20 rubenwardy If anybody wants to PM their email address, I can give edit privs 15:21 hoodedice This looks good 15:21 hoodedice http://gameslikefinder.com/minetest/ 15:21 marktraceur Blogs and forums won't work 15:21 rubenwardy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28games%29 15:22 hoodedice This aint a blog 15:22 rubenwardy wait 15:22 rubenwardy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28video_games%29 15:22 hoodedice More of a review site 15:22 * VanessaE peeks in 15:22 marktraceur hoodedice: Yeah, but it's not published either 15:22 rubenwardy and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28video_games%29 15:23 hoodedice Derivative games (such as ports, remakes, compilations, and expansions) may be covered in a Wikipedia article, but not necessarily in a separate article. 15:23 marktraceur rubenwardy: You're posting the _same link_ 15:23 hoodedice So, we file under minecraft? LAWL 15:23 rubenwardy sorry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources 15:23 marktraceur hoodedice: Only if you can find notability 15:23 rubenwardy no 15:23 hoodedice So, I'm gonna start a newspaper tomorrow. 15:23 rubenwardy we are not a derivative game of minecraft 15:23 VanessaE this mess again? give it up, wikipedia has become a cesspool of deletionists. 15:23 hoodedice :) 15:23 marktraceur VanessaE: Sure hope not 15:23 hoodedice +1 Vanessa 15:24 hoodedice I don't know how wikipedia Islam is still clean 15:24 marktraceur hoodedice: The hard work of devoted volunteers? 15:24 hoodedice After all the stuff you see about Islam on the net 15:25 hoodedice How did they not call that as 'credible' (One reason could be rinted religious books) 15:25 Peacock lol whats your obsession with islam? 15:25 hoodedice Examle 15:25 Peacock its like 2 or 3 times you mention it since i woke up :P 15:25 hoodedice *Example 15:25 Peacock and im only on 2nd cup of coffee 15:26 hoodedice I could use Christianity, or something else. But this is the first thing that came to mind :P 15:27 Peacock it says in plain english: "nor has the game received any reviews or awards or any controversy that would make the subject notable" 15:28 hoodedice Controversy? 15:28 Peacock thats what i was thinking lol 15:28 hoodedice See the bashing minecrafters give us ontheir damn forum 15:28 Peacock of the three, we do that best :p 15:28 hoodedice *elitists* 15:29 rubenwardy I recommend we work on the old article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rubenwardy/Minetest 15:29 rubenwardy or in AfC 15:29 rubenwardy (Articles for Creation) 15:29 Peacock reading the talk page though, cant help but notice the irony of ppl who usually apply rules so strictly, try to get around them on wikipedia lol 15:29 hoodedice Yeah. Ruben, we could do that 15:30 hoodedice We could fill out that article, then publish it when we get enough sources 15:31 hoodedice We've had enough of bashing Minecraft 15:31 hoodedice Lets all start bashing wikipedia XD 15:31 Peacock "Vanessaezekowitz is a moderator and a contributor to the site and development. Celeron55 is a clear SPA (Single Purpose Account) and in addition he is the games creator and main developer. Calinou1 (On Minetest its Calinou) is a moderator and contributor to the development and site. All three users have a possible (If not obvious) COI." 15:31 Peacock i think that sunk the article 15:31 hoodedice Yeah, right 15:32 VanessaE the article was sunk before it ever got off the docks. 15:32 hoodedice People who are related will be the ones making an article 15:32 VanessaE deletionists. 15:32 Peacock you should never have gotten involved 15:32 Peacock it is a conflict of interest 15:32 Peacock being part of the management makes it look like self-promotion 15:32 hoodedice You don't see, say Americans writing an article, on say, Russians. 15:33 Peacock i dont think focusing on other articles is going to help 15:35 VanessaE bear in mind also, that COI arguments were ultimately tossed out, so the guy making the final decision claimed anyway 15:35 hoodedice What do you mean, Vanessa? 15:36 VanessaE hoodedice: look at the top of the page. " have basically ignored the discussion about conflicts of interest in my close, and focused solely on whether or not the article satisfies Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. " — Mr. Stradivarius 15:36 VanessaE +"I" 15:37 marktraceur Yeah, it makes sense 15:37 VanessaE so if someone can find a way to make minetest famous, a new article might survive... for a week or so before being killed by another Wiki admin for some other reason. 15:37 marktraceur I've talked to Wikipedians since who say the COI argument is stupid 15:37 Calinou let's poke Gronkh 15:37 marktraceur VanessaE: See footnote one of [[WP:Notability (Video Games)]] 15:38 marktraceur Er 15:38 marktraceur [[WP:Notability (games)]] 15:38 Calinou O_o why did rubenwardy delete it 15:38 Calinou that's a bannable offense 15:38 marktraceur Calinou: The WP article? 15:39 Calinou it says in plain english: "nor has the game received any reviews or awards or any controversy that would make the subject notable" 15:39 Calinou same thing for red eclipse 15:39 nalkri Controversy? 15:39 Calinou yet it's on wikipedia and the article isn't even up to date (screenshots of removed maps, old font) 15:39 nalkri Add puppies that can be stamped on 15:39 Calinou marktraceur: yes 15:39 sokomine oh, guess we can do with controversy :-) 15:39 rubenwardy so is recreating an article that has been deleted, when there is no additional content 15:39 sokomine awards...hm...are there any? 15:39 hoodedice YES. AWESOMEST GAME WITH LEAST SOURCES AWARD 15:40 marktraceur Calinou: rubenwardy is watching the page maybe, and noticed that Wikipedia wasn't helped by the recreation, so re-deleted it 15:40 marktraceur Seems sane to me 15:40 hoodedice MR. Stradivarius seems like a good guy to me :P 15:41 hoodedice At least he shut all the fanboys :P 15:41 rubenwardy If you want to rewrite the article like that, go in to history and get the old source, and then create it in YOUR USER SPACE or in ARTICLES FOR CREATION 15:41 marktraceur Indeed. 15:41 rubenwardy making it like that could get the name "Minetest" lockes 15:41 rubenwardy *locked 15:41 VanessaE sokomine: sure, softpedia gave it a "100% clean" award :P 15:41 VanessaE (as in malware-clean) 15:42 marktraceur Wow. 15:42 hoodedice Wikipedians are watching us like the NSA 15:42 hoodedice What's the difference now? 15:42 Calinou wikipedians make a list of MLP characters, the NSA doesn't 15:43 rubenwardy lol 15:43 sokomine getting awards or reviews in magazines might be difficult 15:44 hoodedice rofl 15:44 Calinou we're not in 2007 anymore, people forgot about the "crysis", they prefer praising 50 euro AAA games now 15:44 hoodedice hmm 15:44 sokomine there was at least one site that mentioned alternatives to minecraft. that was how i got to know about the game in the first place. i was looking for something that run better on my computer and that could be modified 15:45 marktraceur sokomine: Probably a blog post, which isn't WP:NOTABLE 15:45 Calinou some guy posted about minetest on a sauerbraten clan forum, so I tried it out 15:46 Calinou we should get brad pitt or notch to say "Minetest is awesome!" 15:46 hoodedice haha 15:46 hoodedice I found out about minetest from..... 15:46 hoodedice I think laydeb.net 15:46 marktraceur Children, you're not going to produce a Wikipedia article yourselves. Wait for the coverage, then write it. 15:46 hoodedice *playdeb 15:46 Peacock what mark said 15:46 hoodedice Agree] 15:46 Calinou or we should hire people to do it for us 15:47 * Calinou runs 15:47 Peacock you can argue wiki's rules till the cows come home, but it might be simpler to just get the game reviewed 15:47 Calinou have fun asking review sites then 15:47 hoodedice What if we bug some indie reviewers to review it? 15:47 hoodedice Will that be COI> 15:47 hoodedice ? 15:47 Calinou let's bug micheal larabel to add minetest to PTS 15:47 * Calinou runs again 15:48 rubenwardy been there, done that 15:48 rubenwardy https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xBaKlMplRy-8qsPeMw4jO65nxctCeWUGa-Q0Jqx1lNk/edit?usp=sharing 15:48 rubenwardy <> have fun asking review sites then 15:49 marktraceur Peacock, hoodedice, Calinou, _you will not accomplish this if you try to build publicity yourselves_ 15:49 marktraceur Let me make this absolutely clear 15:49 marktraceur You will have a COI argument on your hands 15:49 marktraceur And then the article will get deleted again 15:49 marktraceur And then you'll be back to square zero. 15:49 hoodedice ok mark 15:50 Peacock im not trying to get MT on wikipedia, im just pointing out why the keep arguments failed 15:50 Peacock all of them from devs/modders 15:51 VanessaE Peacock: who else is better qualified? 15:51 Peacock unbiased third parties 15:51 hoodedice Yeah, and then like what I said 15:51 VanessaE if you don't know an article's subject, should you contribute to the article? 15:51 hoodedice Do Hindus write on Judaism? 15:51 hoodedice -.- 15:51 VanessaE (not you personally of course) 15:52 Calinou if you get people that have nothing to do with the game to make an article, expect 1) incorrectness 2) typos 15:52 Calinou 3) possible lack of images 15:53 hoodedice 4) Too much bias towards minecraft 15:53 Peacock like i said, arguing with wikipedia about their rules is at least as pointless as the countless arguments here about licenses, the rules won't change 15:53 Peacock if you can enforce rules you can follow 'em 15:54 hoodedice :) 15:54 hoodedice Lets all go back to our modding/engines/whatever/coffee 15:54 Peacock mmm, coffee lol 15:56 marktraceur VanessaE: It's fine to have people involved in the game writing the article, they just need proper evidence and references to back them up when the COI case comes a-knockin' 15:57 VanessaE right 15:57 VanessaE the problem today is the same as it was before - finding "reliable" sources. 15:57 Peacock i dont know if http://www.indiegamemag.com/ covers free games, might be worth a shot to ask them to review MT 15:58 VanessaE how is it that I personally got interviews and write-ups in paper magazines for subjects I was intimately connected with at the time, yet now as a community we can't even seem to get the same done on just a few useful websites? 15:58 VanessaE (the former was years ago) 15:59 hoodedice How come the german wikipedia still has a minetest page? 15:59 Peacock what happens when one (anyone) asks for a review of MT? 15:59 VanessaE hoodedice: because the english deletionists can't see past their lack of expertise in German to read and use the sources that that article has? 16:00 hoodedice whatever 16:00 hoodedice Lets just not talk about this 16:00 hoodedice For all we know, any of us could be a wikipedian in disguise :O 16:00 rubenwardy I never got a reply from IGN.com 16:00 hoodedice :P 16:00 VanessaE who cares 16:01 rubenwardy or http://irc.minetest.net/minetest 16:01 hoodedice Ruben; don't expect one so soon 16:01 rubenwardy yeah 16:01 rubenwardy I wasnt 16:01 rubenwardy I sent it in sep last yeah 16:01 rubenwardy *year 16:01 VanessaE (about wikipedians in disguise I mean) 16:01 marktraceur hoodedice: Pretty sure it's not a great disguise 16:01 * marktraceur works for the Wikimedia Foundation 16:01 hoodedice Not that sort, 16:02 hoodedice The sort that talks nicely with us and later pulls a COI 16:03 hoodedice September, LAST YEAR? 16:03 hoodedice There must be another email, then. 16:11 rubenwardy Newbie/noob Jordach! https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=332&p=126 16:13 Peacock shiit http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/07/26/startling_images_show_melting_north_pole_turning_into_a_lake.html 16:16 hoodedice BIN ME/ 16:16 hoodedice ? 16:16 hoodedice What is that supposed to mean? 16:16 Peacock i think its deletion req 16:16 hoodedice oh 16:17 Peacock must be bored to be looking at 2yr+ old threads :p 16:17 VanessaE bbl 16:17 hoodedice @Peacock 16:17 hoodedice I wanted to show my brother the north pole in google earth 16:18 hoodedice And I was surprised myself to see all water there 16:18 hoodedice I used to think it was all ice :/ Like Antarctica 16:18 Peacock i cant wait to see if we find the ruins of atlantis on antartica 16:19 Peacock *antarctica 16:19 Peacock wtv lol 16:20 NakedFury that would be awesome 16:21 hoodedice yawn 16:21 Peacock heck the vikings colonized north america, greenland and iceland before the mini-ice age of the medieval period, wouldn't surprise me 16:21 hoodedice All I did today was rant about wikipedia and wrote just three lines of code :/ 16:21 hoodedice Later. 16:21 Peacock IRC has that effect :p 16:22 hoodedice Next time, I'll do the coding first, then IRC 16:22 hoodedice :) 16:35 BlockMen hi 16:37 Peacock howdy 17:35 OldCoder Does MT server listen on all IP addresses? I am reviving my MT worlds today. Fiddling with ports. 17:35 OldCoder Does anybody present recall the answer? 17:35 OldCoder PilzAdam, be useful: 17:35 OldCoder Does MT server listen on all IP addresses? I am reviving my MT worlds today. Fiddling with ports. 17:35 Peacock i dont understand the q 17:35 OldCoder Peacock, it is O.K. Some of the others will. 17:36 Peacock do you mean ports? 17:36 OldCoder No; IP addresses 17:36 OldCoder I am debugging a ports issue 17:36 OldCoder And must be certain of IP address issues 17:36 Peacock im probably misunderstanding, but i thought servers had one IP 17:36 hdastwb why would you have more than one IP address? 17:36 OldCoder Peacock, hdastwb because servers can have many IP addresses 17:36 OldCoder For example 17:37 PilzAdam OldCoder, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/801 17:37 OldCoder Localhost is 127.0.0.1 and there may be a separate WAN address. PilzAdam I will review. 17:37 PilzAdam its currently not possible 17:37 nalkri I often have three IPs 17:37 Peacock oh, lol yeah i have lan, wan and modem adresses lol 17:38 nalkri WiFi, Ethernet, USB, loopback 17:38 nalkri So four but I don't count the loopback 17:38 Peacock me neither 17:38 Peacock networking hasn't got easier over the years lol 17:38 nalkri Yes it has 17:39 nalkri If nothing else, we don't need crossover cables any more 17:39 Peacock meh, to me every new solution presents more problems 17:39 nalkri And widespread WiFi is a boon 17:39 Peacock wifi def made things easier 17:39 Peacock i have a box full of CAT5's lol 17:39 nalkri I remember the olden days when LAN gaming involved stringing cables between windows 17:40 Peacock 90's LAN parties lol 17:40 Peacock when everyone brought the white-turned-yellow box lol 17:40 Peacock *their 17:40 OldCoder PilzAdam, actually it is good; looks like it listens on all addresses. That is what I needed to know. 17:41 nalkri And crossover cables for when there weren't enough ports on one hub 17:42 nalkri Though I ended up with some rackmount switches an office was throwing out 17:42 * OldCoder and the other engineers cobbled together a DOS LAN around 1993 for Doom 17:42 nalkri Weighed more than my PC... 17:42 * OldCoder is resting and will return later 17:42 nalkri rest well 17:42 OldCoder o/ 17:43 Peacock OT, but whats a good (not hog) file explorer with slideshow? thunar thumbnails are pretty small at max 17:43 nalkri Emacs 17:43 Peacock lol 17:43 nalkri Except for the not hog bit 17:43 Peacock i dont feel like changing distros this weekend :p 17:44 Peacock i know nautilus does it, but it comes with so many friggin packages now 17:44 nalkri I quite liked Konqueror a few years back 17:44 nalkri But gods alone know what deps it has now 17:45 Peacock let's say a prayer for our dearly departed KISS lol 17:45 nalkri We need to destroy applications 17:45 Peacock locking on with phoutahn torpedos 17:45 nalkri I will now engage in my "you're doing it wrong" software rant for the next three hours 17:45 nalkri Poutine torpedos? 17:45 Peacock lol 17:46 Peacock in Quebec they keep pronouncing Putin as Poutine, it drives me nuts lol 17:46 nalkri Pretty sure he's not food 17:46 Peacock seriously lol 17:46 Peacock youre not sposed to translate a proper name like that tho? 17:47 nalkri You're not, but I'm English 17:47 nalkri So I can't complain 17:47 nalkri On a related note, "poutine" is cheesy chips with gravy and should be refered to as such 17:47 Peacock the French use more anglicismes than Quebeckers, even though we're surrounded by english lol 17:47 Peacock i know, it comes from here :p 17:48 nalkri Well, we can buy cheesy chips with gravy at any chippy or kebab van :p 17:48 Peacock no kebab vans here tho 17:48 nalkri Probably lucky 17:49 Peacock they banned mobile food trucks in the 60s, too unsanitary apparently 17:49 Peacock heck even bricks and mortar restaurants aren't terribly sanitary 18:37 [0gb_us] Hello! 18:37 PenguinDad Hi [0gb_us] 18:37 [0gb_us] VanessaE, you said you use the latest version of Ubuntu? 18:38 [0gb_us] Actually, does anyone here use Ubuntu 13.04? We're checking for a glitch. 18:38 hdastwb I do 18:39 [0gb_us] Can you try printing a web page in Firefox to a file please? Try to save it to anywhere but your home directory. 18:40 PenguinDad I do use it, too. 18:40 [0gb_us] If the glitch is in 13.04, it will print it to your home directory even if you tell it to print it elsewhere. 18:42 PenguinDad Works for me. 18:42 [0gb_us] Prints to the correct directory? 18:42 hdastwb confirmed; I usually CUPS-PDF for file printing, though, so I have never tried that before 18:42 hdastwb it does not print to the correct directory for me 18:42 [0gb_us] Okay. Thanks! 18:43 PenguinDad But I use Firefox Nightly. ;) 18:44 hdastwb ah; I have Firefox stable (22.0) 18:44 PenguinDad Maybe it's a bug of the packaged Version. 18:45 [0gb_us] THat explains the difference. Thanks PenguinDad and hdastwb! 18:45 hdastwb you're welcome! 18:56 Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 18:56 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30000 seems to be down 18:56 Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 30001 18:56 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30001 seems to be down 18:57 nalkri I want air pressure 18:57 * nalkri may be insane 18:57 Megaf are you a girl? 18:57 nalkri Not to the best of my knowledge 18:57 Megaf so I cant give you anything 18:57 nalkri But pressure simulation in minetest is probably impossible 18:58 Megaf unless you implement the whole thing in lua 18:58 Megaf atmosphere and stuff 18:59 nalkri It'd murder the server 18:59 nalkri It already murders SS13, which is 2d 19:00 [0gb_us] Has anyone seen ShadowNinja over the past couple days? 19:00 Megaf man, are players just waiting everysecond to my server to be on? I leave my server down for an hour or so, then I turn it on again and at the very same second players starts to enter 19:00 [0gb_us] Yes, people love your world. 19:01 Megaf non of my players are here tho 19:01 Megaf IRC is not very well known now a days 19:02 [0gb_us] They love your world but hat IRC. 19:02 [0gb_us] *hate 19:02 Megaf indeed 19:03 nalkri Your world has hats? 19:03 Megaf heh 19:04 [0gb_us] I don't know if my world has hats. I haven't been there in a very long time. Though it didn't last I checked. 19:08 Megaf load_mod_bones = false 19:08 Megaf why this doesnt work? 19:08 Megaf the bones mod still loading 19:08 [0gb_us] Is bones in the game directory or in the "mods" directory? 19:09 [0gb_us] You can't disable it if it is in the game directory. 19:09 [0gb_us] (I think.) 19:15 PenguinDad Is there a method to check which resolution a texture has? 19:16 [0gb_us] I don't think there is. 19:16 [0gb_us] You might be able to use os.execute() in some way to do that. 19:16 [0gb_us] Never mind, that won't work. 19:17 [0gb_us] You'd need a method of finding the path to the texture to make that possible. 19:22 hdastwb and if someone has a client-side texture pack, textures might be impossible to measure from the server 19:28 Jordach sfan5, you about 19:29 * Jordach wants a word 19:29 Jordach hey [0gb_us] what brings you here 19:29 [0gb_us] I needed to find people who use Ubuntu 13.04 to test a bug for someone on another channel. 19:30 [0gb_us] I think Vanessa does, so I came here. 19:45 Calinou xubuntu 13.04 here 19:48 PenguinDad me too 19:50 Jordach lol, buntu 19:53 [0gb_us] Actually, the user having an issue was using Xunbuntu 13.04, but as the issue is in Xubuntu's Firefox, which is the same in Ubuntu, I said Ubuntu instead. 20:06 DanDuncombe Could someone pastebin the code for an am to spawn a sphere with an radius of 50 20:06 DanDuncombe *abm 20:07 PenguinDad //sphere 50 something <- WorldEdit 20:08 DanDuncombe I need an abm 20:09 DanDuncombe I can't use a worldedit command every time my bomb detonates 20:09 Calinou find a way to call it through an ABM? (is that possible? :P) 20:09 Calinou bombs usually don't make perfect spheres and treat stone as more resistant than dirt... 20:09 DanDuncombe Just spawn a big sphere of some sort, like the nuke mod. 20:09 DanDuncombe It doesn't have to be perfect, just ~50 nodes diameter 20:10 Calinou it will be a perfect sphere :P 20:10 DanDuncombe I don'tmind 20:11 DanDuncombe Please can someone do it? 20:12 DanDuncombe Can it also spawn a 'mushroom cloud' of fire? 20:12 DanDuncombe And injure people... 20:14 nalkri And induce mutagenesis 20:15 DanDuncombe No.Just death. 20:16 nalkri Aww :( 20:16 DanDuncombe It is for the zombie game. 20:16 DanDuncombe It is so you can make big holes. 20:16 nalkri Mutagenesis is where zombies come from :D 20:16 DanDuncombe It won't hurt zombies. 20:17 DanDuncombe Maybe... if zombies in range could change into giant zombies, which are already in the game. 20:17 DanDuncombe Is anyone actually doing it? 20:17 nalkri I wouldn't know where to start, I'm trying to figure out making books work 20:18 DanDuncombe CAn someone please do it? 20:18 DanDuncombe I amin a hurry 20:18 Calinou we're not your salves 20:18 DanDuncombe *am in 20:18 Calinou slaves* :P 20:18 nalkri Or salves 20:18 DanDuncombe Please can someone help. I don't know where to start or end. 20:18 DanDuncombe Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. 20:20 DanDuncombe I just need a big explosion. 20:20 DanDuncombe P 20:20 DanDuncombe L 20:20 DanDuncombe E 20:20 DanDuncombe A 20:20 DanDuncombe S 20:20 DanDuncombe E 20:21 DanDuncombe Come on, please someone! 20:21 nalkri Please stop that 20:21 DanDuncombe KK 20:21 nalkri You're going to guarantee that nobody helps aside from anything else 20:21 DanDuncombe Oops. 20:23 DanDuncombe Okay, maybe I will do something else. Instead of an explosion maybe it will just make player into zombies. 20:23 nalkri Oh, does anyone know if inventory objects can open dialogues? 20:23 nalkri So I can decide whether or not to bother with my book idea 20:43 Nick__ can somebody help me with a possible bug? 20:45 Nick__ It's an unhandled exception: could not save env meta 20:46 Nick__ it happens about every 35 mins but can happen within seconds of map load 20:47 sfan5 Nick__: have you searched the forum? 20:47 sfan5 IIRC we had this.. 20:47 Nick__ yes but it keeps occuring 20:48 Nick__ hold on 1 sec 20:50 Nick__ i cant find any results that pertain to the error 20:51 Kacey omg a 6yo is arguing with me about minetest 20:51 marktraceur Why? 20:51 Kacey saying that there is different types of water 20:52 Nick__ lol 20:52 Kacey and that doors will let water through 20:52 marktraceur Kacey: Do you want *help* debating a 6 year old? 20:52 Kacey no 20:52 marktraceur Because I'm pretty sure that you can demonstrate the falsehood of both. Really easily 20:52 marktraceur . 20:52 Nick__ doors even while open in minetest wont let water through 20:53 Nick__ lol 20:53 Kacey he wont let me marktraceur 20:53 Nick__ cold shoulder maybe? 20:53 marktraceur Kacey: Then it's not a debate, it's him proselytizing. Use the word proselytizing, even incorrectly, that oughta shut him up. 20:54 Kacey naww i will just let him play and learn 20:55 Nick__ sfan i cant find anything 20:55 Kacey i showed him what i built all alone because he is complaining that his house will take forever to build 20:56 Nick__ gtg 21:10 DanDuncombe Is there a function for when you die, an entity is spawned at your old position? 21:11 PilzAdam !dev register_on_dieplayer 21:11 MinetestBot "minetest.register_on_dieplayer(function(player)) [edit] Description player — ObjectRef Called when a player dies." - http://dev.minetest.net/register_on_dieplayer 21:11 Kacey check the bones mod 21:12 DanDuncombe Thanks 21:13 DanDuncombe What is the entity bit? Something like minetest.add_entity(zombies:wraith) 21:13 Peacock look at mob code 21:13 DanDuncombe Okay 21:14 Peacock if your mod already adds zombies, its the same function 21:16 DanDuncombe This won't work: minetest.register_on_dieplayer(function(player) minetest.add_entity(pos, name) end) 21:17 DanDuncombe It is in three lines 21:17 DanDuncombe minetest.register_on_dieplayer(function(player) 21:17 DanDuncombe minetest.add_entity(pos, name) 21:17 DanDuncombe end) 21:17 DanDuncombe With correct indents 21:17 DanDuncombe Crashes when you die. 21:18 Peacock where is your pos coming from? 21:18 DanDuncombe I don't know 21:18 Peacock pos should be player:getpos() 21:18 DanDuncombe Where to add? 21:18 Peacock where you put pos 21:18 DanDuncombe Okay. Will try. 21:20 DanDuncombe Okay.Now it tries to add a 'singleplayer' entity 21:20 Peacock whats the error message? 21:20 DanDuncombe No error, just an unknown 'singleplayer' entity 21:21 DanDuncombe Do I need to say which entity to add? 21:21 Peacock yeah 21:21 Shadow Hello, anyone there? 21:21 DanDuncombe Hi 21:21 PilzAdam Shadow, no 21:21 Peacock yourmod:zombie usually 21:21 Peacock lol 21:21 DanDuncombe In "" marks 21:21 Peacock we left ten minutes ago 21:21 Guest6549 Is there any mod for rain in Minetest? 21:22 Peacock jeija's weather 21:22 Peacock dunno if prollers' weather is in git yet 21:22 Guest6549 Link? 21:22 nalkri Is there any mod for books in minetest? 21:22 Peacock forum search 21:22 Guest6549 Ok. 21:22 Peacock brb cigarette lol 21:22 Guest6549 Thanks. 21:22 DanDuncombe IT WORKS! Thanks guys 21:25 Calinou smoking kills, Peacock 21:25 Calinou night now :P 21:25 DanDuncombe With 'spawn_inverse_chance = 300,' Will the zombie be rarer if the number is higher or lower? 21:25 Peacock people's lazyness will drive me to suicide lol 21:25 DanDuncombe Please? 21:27 Peacock dont know 21:27 DanDuncombe PilzAdam may knwo. 21:27 DanDuncombe *know 21:27 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, higher 21:28 Guest6549 Where am I supposed to install the mod> 21:28 DanDuncombe_ Higher is rarer. 21:32 DanDuncombe Menche, there is an update to Zombies Game. 21:39 DanDuncombe PilzAdam, my zombie game uses (I think) Modified code from your Simplemobs. If so,what lines can I change to make them jump higher,both normally and when chasing you? 21:41 PilzAdam search for a setvelocity() call that gives vertical speed 21:42 DanDuncombe Thanks. 21:42 DanDuncombe Vertical speed would be something like VY, or what? 21:45 DanDuncombe PilzAdam: I have tried changing a coupleof v.y values, but they don't seem to affect it. Help? 21:47 DanDuncombe PilzAdam: Don't worry, figured it out :) 21:51 DanDuncombe PilzAdam: Do your mobs suffer from fall damage? 21:52 PilzAdam yes 21:56 DanDuncombe Okay. Thanks :) Simplemobs is great 21:58 DanDuncombe PilzAdam: I assume the usage of a modified zombies mod based on Simplemobs is legal? 21:59 DanDuncombe Menche: Another update to zombies. 22:01 DanDuncombe https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=102246#p102246 Who else wouldlike? 22:09 DanDuncombe Is there any kind of /delete entity zombies:zombie, to remove one kind of entity 22:18 DanDuncombe Whenever I git commit, there is almost always at leats two more thumbs.db. Why? 22:18 DanDuncombe *least 22:35 sweminetest Is there any minetest server that got an official mumble server? 22:43 Peacock finally finished with the shields :) noodletime 22:50 Peacock hey rba 23:01 marktraceur Peacock: IRC lesson of the day: Type "Real", then press the tab key. 23:02 Jordach marktraceur, ha 23:02 Peacock meh, he's prolly just tired so i dont want to bug him :P 23:03 marktraceur That's a risk he takes when he signs into IRC. 23:03 Peacock god knows i fall asleep at the keyboard sometimes lol 23:03 marktraceur If he doesn't want to be bothered he can turn off notifications or not sign in. 23:03 Jordach -RealBadAngel- TIME Sat Jul 27 01:03:38 23:04 marktraceur That doesn't necessarily mean anything 23:04 marktraceur Plus there's no harm in pinging someone who's not at their keyboard and alert 23:04 marktraceur Worst case scenario they don't get the message 23:05 Peacock no rush :) 23:08 sweminetest So of minetest fans, what do you like best? Mumble or Teamspeak? 23:08 Peacock ugh, voice chat lol 23:10 Peacock at least with text chat, you can ignore lol 23:11 Jordach Peacock, muting minetest through the mixer ;) 23:11 Jordach or mumble 23:12 Jordach or x app 23:13 Peacock hopefully thatll never be part of minetest :p 23:17 NekoGloop meow 23:17 * Jordach pets NekoGloop 23:17 * NekoGloop purrs 23:27 Peacock pretty sure i just got a bunch of mexican griefers posing as regulars on my server lol 23:30 Peacock http://familyguycutaways.com/images/Pictures_Online/Family%20Guy%20GI%20Jose.gif 23:32 Jordach haha 23:33 Peacock seriously why do they keep trying to turn spawn into mexico? i want it to be nice 23:33 Peacock theres crap all over the place to clean up again 23:33 PilzAdam you imply that mexico is not nice 23:34 sokomine what's that got to do with mexico? that country may look great in parts i think 23:34 Peacock ive been, have you? 23:34 sokomine your server isn't the only one that suffers from chaotic spawn. happens quite frequently. do build some roads to get started. that helps to some degree 23:35 Peacock so ppl can dig them up? 23:36 Peacock im already coming up with another autoban script for random placement of stuff 23:36 sokomine if you don't protect them, they may. but without protection and interact for everyone, it's difficult to get spawn into a good stage 23:36 Peacock protection is a drag on the server, though i may start revoking interac for news 23:36 Peacock *newbs 23:36 sokomine people may even build ugly cobble huts and consider them as the epithome of architecture 23:37 sokomine not too good either. people coming in and beeing able to build immediately are more likely to stay 23:37 Jordach Peacock, whats your address 23:37 sokomine perhaps the opposite around? small area where newbies can build something on their own if they wish? 23:37 Peacock yeah but protection is too hands on, you have to create zones for everyone 23:37 Peacock and protection blocks can be abused 23:38 Peacock jordach: startest on public list, dont know today's IP 23:38 Jordach Peacock, shadowninja has an areas mod where the admin defines areas with worldedit and sets them 23:39 Peacock you do realize the more zones you setup the more checks and calculations are done each time something is dug/placed 23:40 sokomine i've changed the wazuclan/linuxgaming-permafy-mod as well so that that uses worldedit-position if those are set for the player issuing the command. that's practical 23:40 kahrl should be roughly O(log n) checks if it is implemented well 23:40 Jordach Peacock, joining your server as Jordach 23:40 Peacock got sokomine2 and pilzadam on too 23:41 sokomine wish redcrab would show up and share his mod. that self-protection method of his is quite good. node_ownership needs some more work though; especially setting of the areas via worldedit/markers 23:41 sokomine ah, yes, i'm sokomine2. for some reason i didn't get in with the password i set 23:42 PilzAdam Peacock, the turrets are way too close to the spawn 23:43 Peacock just disabled them 23:43 Peacock one of those idiots placed them there 23:44 sweminetest then I guess its a total coincidence that I found a server that has a mumble server as their official one. K 23:46 hdastwb the (former) zombie apocalypse server is getting pretty lagged; it doesn't seem to want to let me on at the moment… 23:48 PilzAdam Peacock, I have to say that turrets are a really bad way to protect buildings 23:48 Peacock well ppl can't get close lol 23:49 Peacock prob is every server that runs protection still gets griefed 23:49 Peacock dont need false sense of security 23:53 sokomine protected buildings are usually safe :-) 23:54 Peacock originally i wanted to spawn new players on another realm 23:54 Peacock and take the good builders to earth 23:55 sokomine yes...only that the good builders may not stay in the first place 23:55 Peacock land is land and the inv is the same 23:57 hdastwb has anyone ever run a server with hud installed before? 23:58 hdastwb it just hit Rancon's Skyblock server, and ever since I've been getting a ridiculous amount of lag 23:58 Peacock isnt hud on all 0.4.7's? 23:58 hdastwb the hud mod, with hunger 23:59 Peacock oh 23:59 Peacock thought you just mean 23:59 Peacock *meant 23:59 hdastwb I could probably have phrased that better…