IRC log for #minetest, 2013-07-25

Time	Nick	Message
01:05	sokomine	underwater plant: http://mg.viewskew.com/u/sokomine/m/screenshot-324720001/
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01:10	PilzAdam	sokomine, "Alle Rechte vorbehalten" why?
01:11	sokomine	aeh, wo? wie?
01:11	PilzAdam	when you upload something you can choose a license
01:11	sokomine	ah, liscence. do you have a suggestion what i ought to put there?
01:11	PilzAdam	CC0
01:12	PilzAdam	so everyone is free to do anything with it
01:12	sokomine	sure? and if i screenshot something where people hold other liscences?
01:12	PilzAdam	what do you mean?
01:13	sokomine	what if part of a mod is shown where the mod has other liscences for textures? might that be a problem?
01:14	PilzAdam	I doubt it
01:15	sokomine	i seriously doubt that's the case here (vanessas hdx-textures are usually pretty liberate), but i didn't check all liscences of the mods installed. someone might take part of a screenshot and use it elswhere...so i'm not sure if i'm really at liberation to make them cc0? (not that it seems very likely that anyone would be intrested in those screenshots execpt other players)
01:17	sokomine	hm. the screenshots as such really ought to be no problem. checked them again and most are for my mods anyway
01:17	sokomine	what do you think about the content? about that abuse of plantlike and the scaling factor?
01:18	PilzAdam	lets say I have seen worse hacks ;-)
01:18	* sokomine	looks innocent :-)
01:19	sokomine	it only works if you place a light source near the place where the plant is actually placed :-)
01:20	PilzAdam	there is a pretty easy way to get light underwater: just place a 1x1 stack from the bottom to the top of the water, then dig it down from the top to bottom, then the light will go through the water that fills the gap
01:21	PilzAdam	Im going to sleep now; bye
01:22	sokomine	it's not exactly the ocean floor i have to light...it's the node below. the setup is: water, ocean floor (dirt or something like that), flower, light source (light source can be anywhere next to the plant)
01:22	sokomine	pretty quiet here today
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03:30	Mallot1	hello, can u guys do me a favor?
03:30	Mallot1	pleas
03:30	Mallot1	e
03:31	Pentium44	yes
03:31	Mallot1	ok,
03:31	Pentium44	do you need something?
03:32	Mallot1	yes
03:32	Pentium44	ok spill it! ;)
03:32	Pentium44	hehe
03:32	Mallot1	i need 10 things to do in minetest :)
03:32	Pentium44	ok
03:32	Pentium44	#1 Try my server
03:32	Pentium44	its Minetest-Classic
03:32	Pentium44	hehe
03:32	Pentium44	#2 Build a Ship
03:33	Mallot1	:D
03:33	Pentium44	#3 Build some pixel art on my server
03:33	Pentium44	#4 Do as many other things that you can
03:33	Pentium44	NO GREIVING :D
03:33	Mallot1	*GRIEFING
03:33	Mallot1	;)
03:34	Pentium44	ohh
03:34	Pentium44	that F needs to be a V
03:34	Pentium44	plural :D
03:34	Mallot1	yah
03:34	Mallot1	:D
03:34	Mallot1	how did u make a server??
03:34	Pentium44	so you gonna join?
03:34	Pentium44	just compiled minetest and ran it
03:35	Pentium44	Mallot1, I hosted a server for you before
03:35	Mallot1	you did?
03:35	Pentium44	you may not remember me
03:35	Mallot1	are you UbuntuNerd?
03:35	Pentium44	im the M13!
03:35	Pentium44	yes
03:35	Pentium44	that do
03:35	Pentium44	to*
03:35	Mallot1	:D
03:35	Pentium44	but I do not like Ubuntu so Im now the PuppyNerd!
03:35	Mallot1	man, i couldnt get back on that server
03:35	Mallot1	:(
03:35	Pentium44	I like PuppyLinux
03:36	Pentium44	:(
03:36	Mallot1	:D cool
03:36	Pentium44	you can play on my new one
03:36	Mallot1	im on WIndows8 baby!
03:36	Mallot1	:D
03:36	Pentium44	its minetest-classic so it has new features
03:36	Pentium44	ewww
03:36	Pentium44	windows bad
03:36	Mallot1	lol
03:36	Mallot1	B)
03:37	Mallot1	anyway, is there a chance i could have my server up again? :D :D :D :D :D :D
03:38	Mallot1	hello?
03:39	Mallot1	Pentium44: ^^
03:39	Pentium44	um
03:39	Pentium44	not currently
03:39	* Kacey	high-fives Mallot1 with live tiles!
03:39	Pentium44	I do not have the resources
03:39	Pentium44	Kacey!
03:39	Kacey	M13!
03:39	Mallot1	:D
03:39	Mallot1	kacey what up bro B)
03:41	Pentium44	Kacey remembers!
03:41	Pentium44	whoop
03:42	Kacey	i nearly fell over when i saw your name...
03:48	Mallot1	:D
03:48	Mallot1	ive seen u on here lately :D
03:49	* Kacey	just accidentally smacked a sunburn
03:49	Kacey	ow.
03:50	Pentium44	lol
03:50	Pentium44	bet you will not do that again
03:50	Kacey	naw give me ~20 minutes or so and i will forget and do it again
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05:44	LazyJ	Is there anyone here who is familiar with the code of Minetest that handles animated, flowing water?
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05:52	JesseH	ok, I'm going to try minetest again finally
05:52	JesseH	VanessaE, What was your server address?
05:54	kahrl	JesseH: vanessae.mine.bz
05:55	JesseH	ok thank you
05:55	kahrl	LazyJ: just ask your question, maybe somebody will see it
05:55	JesseH	port is default
05:55	JesseH	?
05:55	LazyJ	Ok, thanks, kahrl.
05:56	kahrl	JesseH: yeah
05:56	LazyJ	Calinou may have an idea since it involves his texture pack.
05:56	Peacock	should be morning over there soon
05:56	LazyJ	The problem is spreading water not showing in the 2013_07_23 daily-build when using the Misa texture pack.
05:57	Peacock	filenames are probably wrong
05:57	LazyJ	I've tested with the default textures... spreading water works.
05:57	Peacock	does it show as unknown
05:57	LazyJ	Then I replaced Misa's water images with the default images... the problem persisted.
05:58	LazyJ	So the default textures work only when Misa isn't used.
05:58	Peacock	compared the filenames of water with the one that works then
05:59	kahrl	LazyJ: are you sure it is a texture issue, and not just liquids randomly not spreading?
05:59	LazyJ	I took 3 screenshots, one of each test
05:59	kahrl	LazyJ: try "liquid_loop_max = 10000" in minetest.conf
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05:59	LazyJ	I'm not sure where the issue is, but where I saw the change was at the base of a waterfall that I built a couple weeks ago.
06:00	RealBadAngel	hello minetesters
06:00	RealBadAngel	VanessaE, are u here?
06:01	LazyJ	That waterfall "spread" as it should Monday, but after I compiled 2013_07_23, the base of the waterfall is gone.
06:01	kahrl	water spreading has been flaky for me since the default liquid_loop_max was changed from 10000 to 1000
06:01	LazyJ	Howdy, RBA ;)
06:01	kahrl	sometimes it spreads, sometimes it doesn't, it's quite random
06:01	LazyJ	I noticed that the pixel size of Misa's water images are 4 times or more greater than the default.
06:02	kahrl	LazyJ: can you swim in the base of the waterfall that is not shown?
06:02	RealBadAngel	LazyJ, try then hdx, haven or sphax water textures
06:02	LazyJ	Hehe... yeah, I'm all too acquainted with tall waterfalls spreading in mid-air.
06:02	LazyJ	kahrl, yep. the "water" is there at the base when I swim.
06:03	kahrl	ok, so it's not the problem I'm thinking of
06:03	LazyJ	If this affects Misa, what other higher-res texture packs may be affected, is another concern.
06:05	LazyJ	The curious thing is why didn't the water display when I swapped the default_water_flowing/source_animated.png files in Misa with the default ones?
06:06	LazyJ	The water is spreading, it's just invisible.
06:06	LazyJ	Falling water and pooled water display just fine.
06:08	LazyJ	I was creating a brook and noticed the grass turning to dirt in the areas where the was overspill.
06:08	LazyJ	The outer edges of the dirt nods where light blue.
06:09	LazyJ	When I flew into the ground in those areas, the air changed to water.
06:10	kahrl	are you playing on a server?
06:10	LazyJ	Yeah. The server is 0.4.6
06:10	kahrl	oh, I guess the problem then is that the server is not sending liquid_range
06:11	Peacock	0.4.6 doesnt have it i think
06:11	LazyJ	Ahk.. the one place I forgot to check is in a singleplayer world. (facepalms).
06:19	LazyJ	Ok, just tested this issue in a singleplayer world... still a problem.
06:19	LazyJ	I placed water_sources on the ground and the water_source nodes didn't spread.
06:20	LazyJ	Then I placed a water_source on a tall stone wall (waterfall simulation).
06:20	LazyJ	The water_source node just hung there as a contained block of water.
06:21	LazyJ	Next I flew under the suspended water_source expecting to be immersed... didn't happen, just air below it as if it were a non-liquid node.
06:22	LazyJ	Then I flew in the ground between the placed water_source nodes... same thing, no water immersion.
06:23	LazyJ	The singleplayer wold was created in the 2013_07_23 daily-build of Minetest (compiled from source on Linux).
06:23	LazyJ	*world
06:24	kahrl	so in this case, the water isn't actually there?
06:24	LazyJ	Correct.
06:24	kahrl	seems like in this case it's the liquid_loop_max problem I mentioned
06:25	kahrl	try it again with liquid_loop_max = 10000
06:25	LazyJ	In previously created pools the water is there. In new pools, the water_sources sit there as contained nodes.
06:26	VanessaE	...I warned that changing that value by default wasn't going to work right without changing how the 'buffer' was being populated to start with
06:27	LazyJ	Side note: "Item definitions..." take forever to load now.
06:28	LazyJ	Just remembered that as I waited for the test world to load.
06:31	LazyJ	Ok, liquid_loop_max = 1000 was uncommented and the water_source node placed on the ground pooled somewhat.
06:31	Peacock	this problem due to liquid_range thingy that was pushed?
06:32	LazyJ	Then I upped the number to 10000... same results. The some of the water_source nodes spread out, some didn't. There are holes in the pool between the water_sources.
06:33	kahrl	LazyJ: did you take the sources and place them back?
06:33	kahrl	otherwise it might not update them
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06:33	LazyJ	No, I left the original sources I place earlier in the test
06:35	LazyJ	Cleaning up with WE
06:37	LazyJ	Hmph... the only time I've been happy to see an area get flooded. :p
06:38	LazyJ	Ok, cleaned-up the first test blocks, placed new water_sources in the pool... they spread as they should.
06:38	LazyJ	Then I placed another water_source on the stone wall to create the "waterfall".
06:38	LazyJ	This time the water_source flowed out and downward.
06:39	LazyJ	At the base of the waterfall the spreading water that connects the pooled water and the falling water displayed.
06:39	LazyJ	So, now I'll so how this shows up when I connect to our server.
06:40	VanessaE	kahrl: I think the issue is the blocks are added to the flowing queue in some sort of chronological order, and when the buffer gets full, instead of being wiped and started over from another spot in the list, it's started over from the beginning.
06:41	VanessaE	it should be filled from random places
06:41	VanessaE	if that's possible.
06:41	kahrl	I have stopped trying to understand how the water spreading works (or doesn't) in this game
06:41	kahrl	that's others' expertise ;)
06:41	VanessaE	heh
06:42	LazyJ	Ok, the problem still persists when I connect to our 0.4.6 server with my 0.4.7 client.
06:42	kahrl	LazyJ: yeah, liquid_loop_max is a server setting, changing it in your client doesn't affect the server
06:42	LazyJ	My singleplayer worlds are fixed now, just the server is goofy.
06:43	kahrl	oh, and it doesn't fix the liquid_range problem of course
06:43	LazyJ	Does the liquid_loop work on a server 0.4.6 from 2013_04_12?
06:43	kahrl	no
06:44	LazyJ	I'm checking to see if I have server rights to edit the minetest.conf file.
06:44	LazyJ	Ah, well, nvm then
06:44	Peacock	which water though lol finite or regular
06:45	LazyJ	Regular water.
06:45	Miner_48er	you have the rights to edit it
06:45	LazyJ	You're up late, Miner. :)-
06:45	Peacock	so theyre both buggy now :/
06:46	Miner_48er	could you alter the client source code to a fixed number?
06:47	LazyJ	Too much coffee... brb.
06:48	VanessaE	water in, water out? ;)
06:48	Peacock	lol
06:48	Peacock	if only i had a catheter i could be ever-more efficient :p
06:49	Peacock	even better: http://www.rugsandblinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/toilet_sofas.jpg
06:49	VanessaE	hehe
06:52	LazyJ	Once I discovered the magic of freshly ground beans brewed in a french press, I truly began to enjoy coffee.
06:52	Peacock	i grind mine too, but no french press (it surrendered)
06:52	VanessaE	lol
06:53	LazyJ	Ever try a Moka pot?
06:53	Peacock	coffee flavoured cannabis?
06:53	LazyJ	No, a stove-top espresso maker.
06:53	Peacock	oh no
06:53	Peacock	wife, burning things, fires
06:54	LazyJ	To the aficionados it doesn't make a "true" espresso.
06:54	LazyJ	But for poor folk like me, it does a real good job of making high-powered coffee on the cheap.
06:54	LazyJ	Well, relatively cheap.
06:55	LazyJ	A "true" espresso machine costs over a thousand dollars (cough, sputter, wheeze).
06:55	Peacock	oh i know
06:55	Peacock	i broke one working as barista lol
06:55	LazyJ	An Italian made, Bialetti Moka pot $40 or so.
06:56	LazyJ	I splurged and paid $60 for a stainless still pot.
06:56	LazyJ	But my little, one-cup French press is the brewing method of choice.
06:56	Peacock	i have a collection of coffee machines i've been meaning to fix lol
06:57	LazyJ	Easier, less prep, different coffees with each cup.
06:57	Peacock	im OCD they all have to taste the same and just so lol
06:57	Peacock	i can even tell when the brewery is due to clean their tanks lol
06:58	LazyJ	Yeah, clean machines are usually best... but the Moka pot is a little different.
06:58	LazyJ	It's like a cast iron skillet... needs to be "seasoned" first before using.
06:59	Peacock	i know about that, Niles gets his crepe pans reseasoned every so often lol
06:59	LazyJ	It's recommended to brew 3 or 4 pots to build up the oils on the inside.
06:59	Peacock	im guessing you can stand the taste of the ground canned coffee either then :P
06:59	Peacock	*can't
07:00	LazyJ	I use an aluminum Moka pot at work. Seasoning isn't so necessary for the stainless steel pot.
07:00	LazyJ	Well, cheap, pre-ground, canned coffee is caffeine when you need it.
07:01	LazyJ	I work 12hr graveyard shifts so caffeine first, taste second.
07:01	Peacock	i cant do that anymore
07:01	LazyJ	But I've learned to achieve both. ;)
07:01	VanessaE	just go to thinkgeek. they have caffeine in every form imaginable :)
07:01	Peacock	ive gone up to 80hr weeks and more, then burnout lol
07:01	VanessaE	(soap, gum, various kinds of drinks, and a few other things, I think)
07:01	Peacock	it gets to a point where you add all the hours in a week to figure just how much you can sleep lol
07:02	LazyJ	Oh, yeah, VanessaE, I've seen a few of those. :)
07:02	LazyJ	Soap may be going a bit far, even for me. :D
07:02	LazyJ	Coffee scented soap, that is. I do bathe.
07:02	VanessaE	nono
07:02	VanessaE	this is caffeinated soap
07:03	LazyJ	Oh, well in that case, who needs a whirlpool tub. :)-
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07:04	hoodedice	yo
07:05	LazyJ	Even cheap, pre-ground, store-brand, canned coffee can be improved when brewed in a French press with a pinch of salt.
07:05	hoodedice	The init.lua in this mod doesn't work.
07:05	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4779
07:05	hoodedice	I tried all the usual suspects
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07:05	hoodedice	mod folder name
07:06	hoodedice	etc
07:07	Peacock	wat is error
07:07	LazyJ	I almost flunked chemistry class.
07:07	LazyJ	I'll step away and leave this to the professionals. ;)
07:08	hoodedice	Failed to load and run blah blah directory\mods\chemistry
07:08	Peacock	yeah but line number
07:08	hoodedice	I THINK I mgiht be using PIlzAdam's windoze builds
07:08	hoodedice	line number?
07:09	Peacock	i neeed the part of error that gives line number and filename
07:10	hoodedice	file name is init.lua
07:11	Peacock	jesus christ 16 dofiles lol
07:11	hoodedice	yeah lol
07:11	hoodedice	It's a chem mod after all :P
07:11	hoodedice	There should've been more than that !
07:11	Peacock	yeah but its hard to track down which file
07:11	hoodedice	I guessed that
07:11	hoodedice	So You start from the top
07:12	hoodedice	I'll check from the bottom
07:13	Peacock	edited 5 days ago:acetylene_burner_recipes.lua, air_collector.lua,crafts.lua
07:13	Peacock	distiller.lua
07:13	Peacock	id start with the latest edits and work your way backwards
07:13	Peacock	i can't look at allll those files
07:13	Peacock	dozing off as it is lol
07:13	hoodedice	Wow
07:13	hoodedice	I'm still new to git, so thanks for the up :)
07:13	Peacock	https://github.com/m97/chemistry <- says when the files were edited
07:14	hoodedice	I saw that after you pointed it out :)
07:14	hoodedice	I cloned the file in any case
07:15	Peacock	if it wont even start, its prolly tiny syntax error somewhere
07:15	Peacock	missing }) or quote,
07:15	hoodedice	Run it through some debugger?
07:15	hoodedice	Using this thing called Decoda atm
07:17	Peacock	line 42-43 perhaps? https://github.com/m97/chemistry/blob/d7c7ae1a7a1276ed8fbbd4236e98ce1165951047/air_collector.lua
07:17	Peacock	could be my tiredness, but it looks off to me
07:17	Peacock	naw its fine
07:17	* Peacock	keeps looking
07:18	Peacock	didnt even give the right line number lol
07:18	Peacock	fuck it ill dl and try it out lol
07:18	hoodedice	I got this error in debug
07:19	hoodedice	An exception has been caught: ...0003fc8-vmanip-win32\bin\..\mods\chemistry/distiller.lua:207: attempt to call field 'register_LV_machine' (a nil value)
07:19	Peacock	ahhh
07:19	Peacock	you got technic?
07:19	hoodedice	So This LV machine is not defined I guess
07:19	hoodedice	Yes
07:20	Peacock	is your tecnic older than chemistry (like much older?)
07:20	hoodedice	Could be
07:20	hoodedice	I'll update it and get back
07:21	hoodedice	Listen. Is it better to clone or stable download?
07:21	Peacock	github is like polish to me lol
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07:21	Peacock	just look for the download button :p
07:21	hoodedice	polish?
07:22	Peacock	i know it keeps moving
07:22	hoodedice	o k
07:22	hoodedice	Yeah.
07:22	Peacock	cant use github, its like programming an old VCR lol
07:22	hoodedice	haha
07:23	hoodedice	Do I have to update all dependencies as well?
07:23	Peacock	well start with just technic and see if it works after
07:23	hoodedice	ok
07:24	hoodedice	Dun cha
07:24	hoodedice	Works
07:24	Peacock	wow i couldn't test this if i wanted to, chemistry deps on technic, technic deps on mesecons and a few other big mods lol
07:24	hoodedice	Thanks a lot :)
07:24	Peacock	no prob
07:25	hoodedice	Yeah, I wish mod organisation was in the main game
07:25	hoodedice	Something called 'auto-update' feature
07:25	Peacock	theyre working on a mod manager
07:25	hoodedice	Yaaay
07:25	Peacock	im not crazy about it but im just used to oldschool way of unzipping folders lol
07:26	hoodedice	But checking for new versions is tedious
07:26	hoodedice	And mass unzipping can be a pain in the donkey
07:27	Peacock	true
07:27	Peacock	thats why i dont go for chain dependencies
07:27	Peacock	i like mods to work on their own
07:27	Peacock	and i hate having to install mods i dont want to play the ones i do want lol
07:27	hoodedice	Lol
07:27	hoodedice	I hate inventory++
07:28	Peacock	so i usually just end up forking
07:28	hoodedice	I like the worldedit one better
07:28	Peacock	worldedit isn't an inventory tho
07:28	hoodedice	I get one when I use it
07:28	hoodedice	:/
07:28	Peacock	bizarre
07:28	Peacock	musta been outta the loop on that one lol
07:29	hoodedice	indeed. I was pleasantly surprised on that one. It has a useful search feature
07:29	VanessaE	bbl
07:29	Peacock	well all the inventories are based on cornernotes' that had the search
07:29	Peacock	even mine is a fork of a fork lol
07:30	hoodedice	In any case, I'm a noob dev
07:31	hoodedice	This is the first time I'm actually trying to make a mod, or write a .lua script at that
07:31	hoodedice	So, I don't think I'm ready to handle forks atm
07:31	Peacock	youd be surprised how many mods are derivs :p
07:31	Peacock	or combos
07:32	hoodedice	I won't be
07:32	hoodedice	That's what we call open-source :P
07:32	hoodedice	Ubuntu --> Xubuntu, Mythbuntu, Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu,
07:33	Peacock	yeah its insane lol
07:33	hoodedice	If a damn OS can have 5 or more official rip-offs
07:33	hoodedice	(and hundreds of unofficial ones)
07:33	hoodedice	What are mods then?
07:34	Peacock	some are rewrites, some are originals, some are derivs, some are combos :p
07:34	hoodedice	And some are failures :P
07:34	hoodedice	most are failures :P
07:34	Peacock	and some are so bloody siimilar you sit there going "wtf" lol
07:34	Peacock	right now people are going crazy with instant buildings lol
07:35	hoodedice	The chemistry mod itself has around two (or more) forks
07:35	Peacock	you talking github forks or formal entries on the forum?
07:35	Peacock	cuz plenty of stuff gets "forked" without anything happening on github
07:35	hoodedice	The one I'm using is older, but this guy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6616 made another one
07:35	hoodedice	Forum
07:36	Peacock	theres nothing there lol
07:36	Peacock	code's empty, forum post is placeholder
07:36	hoodedice	wut?
07:36	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6616
07:37	JesseH	I would get into modding if I had a server to play on :P
07:37	hoodedice	You do
07:37	hoodedice	Use the singleplayer mode :P
07:37	JesseH	not until I finish building this
07:37	hoodedice	And 'This' is?
07:37	JesseH	hoodedice, singleplayer is for testing mods :P
07:37	JesseH	minetest
07:37	JesseH	I thought that part was obvious
07:37	Peacock	i test mods on server :p
07:37	hoodedice	Wow. You're actually building minetest
07:37	JesseH	O_o
07:38	Peacock	hard to tell if you can get rid of griefers without testing shit on them lol
07:38	JesseH	Why wouldnt i?
07:38	hoodedice	Well, I'm lazy
07:38	hoodedice	I prefer pre-built ones
07:38	JesseH	Peacock, I want to get cool with a owner of a host that has a few people that come daily, so I can see my mods being used :P
07:38	hoodedice	And I'm on windows atm :P
07:38	Peacock	best way is to start your own server :p
07:39	Peacock	otherwise its your mods + 100 others lol
07:39	JesseH	but it would be local and I could be alone :(
07:39	JesseH	You have a point
07:39	Peacock	so the testing phase could take a long time
07:39	JesseH	I don't really have any money to get it hosted, either
07:39	* JesseH	forever alone
07:39	Peacock	and server admins might not report every bug to you
07:39	Peacock	well, small server dont need hosting
07:40	Peacock	just make sure bandwidth aint capped at home
07:40	JesseH	I have pretty bad internet.
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07:42	JesseH	Peacock, Do you host your server?
07:43	Peacock	yeah tho not 24/7
07:43	JesseH	lemme on :D
07:43	Peacock	only when i can keep an eye on people
07:43	Peacock	depends are you already banned? if not you should see it
07:43	JesseH	and give me ssh access >:)
07:43	Peacock	3 days and already 30+ bans lol
07:44	hoodedice	ssh?
07:44	Peacock	SSH = Sweet Sweet Honey
07:44	Peacock	ill require 30 pieces of silver for that
07:44	Peacock	j/k
07:45	hoodedice	lol
07:46	hoodedice	Now where is that API......
07:46	hoodedice	Eureka
07:46	Peacock	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
07:46	Peacock	speedial lol
07:46	hoodedice	What is THAT?
07:46	Peacock	all the api functions
07:46	JesseH	Is restarting a server needed to upload mods?
07:47	hoodedice	oooh, looks sweeter than the wiki
07:47	hoodedice	Thanks :)
07:47	Peacock	well if you install new mods while its running, yeah restart
07:47	JesseH	I want to see how minetest handles all that, and see if you can reload modules
07:47	Peacock	the wiki is woefully inadequate lol
07:47	hoodedice	Say, did anyone make a readable book mod yet?
07:48	Peacock	tinoshreo (whatever) made a book mod methinks
07:48	JesseH	Because with my LOVE games, I had it so that modules would be reloaded with a press of a button, so that I never had to restart the game to see the changes
07:48	Peacock	well you cant register nodes on the run methinks
07:48	hoodedice	YOu use Love2d. Cool.
07:49	hoodedice	What about LuaJIT? Wont that register stuff as you need it?
07:49	Peacock	besides dynamic mod loading would prolly be abused like a priest abuses a choir boy
07:50	JesseH	Basically, add this at the top of your scripts "module(..., package.seeall)" and to reload them you can do something like this http://hastebin.com/yagopuwihe.lua
07:51	JesseH	lines 5 and 6 are what matter
07:51	JesseH	That was a block of code from my irc bot
07:52	Peacock	minetest mod ircbot or just ircbot?
07:52	JesseH	Just an irc bot
07:53	Peacock	i often wonder about some people on here lol
07:53	JesseH	I want to play around with speech recognition soon, and will likely use Minetest to fudge around
07:54	Peacock	minetest dont have voice tho
07:54	JesseH	I will use the speech recognition software to handle the voice commands I give it
07:54	JesseH	It will do something, that will effect something in game
07:54	JesseH	I just haven't figured out what yet.
07:55	JesseH	or how I will do it
07:55	JesseH	but if I can get reloading working, then I will know how
07:55	JesseH	and will do some cool shit :
07:55	JesseH	:D
07:55	JesseH	I think I'm going to start playing around with that now actually.
08:00	Peacock	im too tired to work on shielsds tonight lol
08:01	JesseH	I'm trying to fix all these damn broken packages...fucking ubuntu <__________________>
08:01	PenguinDad	Peacock: In Germany it's 10 AM.
08:01	Peacock	i hit the sack at 8am (GMT-5) and woke at 15hrs lol
08:02	Peacock	now its 4am the next day lol
08:02	Peacock	im all off
08:02	Peacock	*thrown off
08:02	Peacock	and the cat thinks its party time :( lol
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08:06	hoodedice	I found the books mod
08:06	hoodedice	I wanted to take a look at the original PilzAdam version
08:06	hoodedice	But THANK YOU omdlr
08:06	hoodedice	ompdlr
08:07	hoodedice	Got it
08:09	hoodedice	Going ciao
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08:11	Peacock	<hoodedice> But THANK YOU omdlr
08:11	Peacock	ompldr? its dead Jim
08:11	Peacock	off to sleep as well lol
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08:27	JamesTait	Good morning all, happy Louise Brown Day! :-D
08:28	PenguinDad	\|-\|;
08:31	kahrl	I thought it was Ebernoe Horn Day
08:31	kahrl	everyone should play cricket today
08:33	JamesTait	kahrl, I think it's that too, yes. :)
08:33	JesseH	I am about to make a sandwich, in memory of louise who gives a fuck brown :P
08:33	PenguinDad	kahrl: But I don't know how to play cricket :P
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10:18	MasterBot	hi
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10:26	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
10:27	MasterBot	Hello superkabel!
10:27	MasterBot	everythings fucked
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10:28	MasterBot	I want ot install minetest but...
10:28	MasterBot	I have updated to Lubuntu 13.04, BIG MISTAKE
10:28	MasterBot	So now i need to install dependencied
10:29	MasterBot	and change this RETARDED font
10:29	MasterBot	Help Please!
10:32	JesseH	MasterBot, Hello, what?
10:33	JesseH	Why don't you go to the lubuntu channel?
10:33	JesseH	used to be active in there
10:33	JesseH	<_>
10:33	MasterBot	Because its to do with minetest installation and customization
10:33	MasterBot	and im banned from there
10:33	MasterBot	afaik
10:33	JesseH	Ah
10:33	JesseH	Wtf why? They dont even talk there <_>
10:34	MasterBot	E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? ARRGGGH
10:34	MasterBot	This happened last time aswell and i just installed 150MB to stop it happening
10:34	JesseH	That's a classic ubuntu problem :P
10:34	JesseH	MasterBot, Also, most problems can be answered in #ubuntu
10:34	JesseH	Lubuntu is again, just ubuntu with lxde
10:35	MasterBot	...Banned!
10:35	MasterBot	..or not!
10:35	JesseH	MasterBot, I forgot exactly how to fix that issue, youll have to remove the lock yourself, or close something
10:35	MasterBot	lol thats other nick
10:35	JesseH	MasterBot, try closing ubuntu software center? :P
10:35	MasterBot	E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
10:36	PilzAdam	MasterBot, your problems are not related to Minetest, thus they dont belong in this channel
10:36	MasterBot	Uh oh, i see where this is going
10:36	JesseH	Harsh :P
10:36	JesseH	MasterBot, calm it :P
10:36	MasterBot	They are because im installing dependencies
10:36	MasterBot	Im just not pasting all of it
10:37	JesseH	>_>
10:38	MasterBot	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3722
10:38	MasterBot	Very old
10:38	MasterBot	But worked last time
10:59	Zeg9	RealBadAngel: what's the license for HavenTP ? Would you mind if I add the water textures (downscaled to 32x) to mt-faithful?
11:00	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Show portnumber for ip adresses only 215e37aac3 2013-07-25T03:58:14-07:00 http://git.io/8WM0Ww
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11:24	DanDuncombe	Who likes the 'Virologist' skin in the zombies gaem? I found it online on the Mc Skindex and thought it was apt...
11:24	DanDuncombe	*game
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11:37	DanDuncombe	Funny error when trying to make new zombie mob :) http://s10.postimg.org/4ximuftzt/screenshot_11106133.png
11:37	Zeg9	hehe
11:38	Zeg9	Maybe that's why there is a "giant" in minecraft
11:38	DanDuncombe	I need to makehim smalller...
11:42	DanDuncombe	Fail No.2 http://s23.postimg.org/8i23oazqj/screenshot_11413384.png
11:43	DanDuncombe	How do I stop it being buried in the ground like that?
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11:47	DanDuncombe	Jordach?Can you help me stop him being stuck in the ground? http://s23.postimg.org/8i23oazqj/screenshot_11413384.png
11:47	DanDuncombe	He always walks throught the ground like that.
11:47	Jordach	DanDuncombe, spawn them y+1
11:47	DanDuncombe	They fall through the floor though
11:47	Jordach	DanDuncombe, hmm
11:48	Jordach	i've played with simple mobs before
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11:48	Jordach	my own mobs never fell through
11:48	DanDuncombe	I am trying to make the zombie mod zombies like a zombie Sam.
11:49	Jordach	DanDuncombe, sent you a pm
11:49	DanDuncombe	I saw
11:49	Jordach	DanDuncombe, can you zip your latest code?
11:49	Jordach	or is it on github
11:49	Jordach	or somewhere
11:49	Zeg9	DanDuncombe: your collision box is probably too high
11:49	DanDuncombe	I will dropbox it- will just be a moment
11:49	Jordach	DanDuncombe, thanks
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12:53	MasterBot	Hi
12:54	DanDuncombe	HI
12:54	JesseH	HI
12:54	MasterBot	HI then
12:54	MasterBot	Back on windows :(
12:55	MasterBot	lol got wrong linux system
13:02	DanDuncombe	Small zombie http://s21.postimg.org/vipu903yf/screenshot_16079941.png
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13:02	DanDuncombe	~150 nodes high, there are about 10 stuck together
13:04	MasterBot	How's your FPS?
13:04	MasterBot	Uh-oh
13:04	MasterBot	50sec
13:04	MasterBot	to get OS
13:04	* MasterBot	hides
13:04	MasterBot	10!
13:05	DanDuncombe	They kind of bundled together
13:05	MasterBot	well shit
13:05	DanDuncombe	What?
13:06	MasterBot	WHY DOES THE INSTALL CRASH AT THE LAST MOMENT!!?
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13:06	DanDuncombe	I was getting around 4-5 fps by the way.
13:06	MasterBot	Lol thats not good
13:06	MasterBot	Try one entity
13:06	MasterBot	Or try a small entity ~1 block
13:06	DanDuncombe	Yep
13:06	MasterBot	Or a hypothtical entity
13:07	MasterBot	You cant see it, but its not there but hurts you
13:07	DanDuncombe	Also, your install crashed because they are specifically engineered to annoy even the calmest person.
13:07	MasterBot	Compliment?
13:07	MasterBot	I am not calm!!!
13:08	* MasterBot	throws his pen out the window
13:08	DanDuncombe	Also, can someone come on VanessaE'sserver and tell me if my skin is working?
13:08	MasterBot	Join it on another client
13:08	MasterBot	You know better than anyone else
13:09	MasterBot	Not as an insult, but if you want something done, do it your self. You will not neccesarily no it better but at least you will get it done to your satisfaction
13:09	DanDuncombe	Okay
13:09	DanDuncombe	I forgot I can have 2 windows
13:09	MasterBot	These are the only wise words i know
13:10	DanDuncombe	I logged on as... Nim!
13:10	MasterBot	do screenshot :)
13:12	MasterBot	What SMALL OSes can run minetest?
13:12	MasterBot	i am talking about <1 GB
13:12	DanDuncombe	I don't know if it runs it but Linux Tinycore can be smaller than 5mb
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13:13	MasterBot	I am saying this not because i have a crappy PC but because i want to carry my OS with me :)
13:13	DanDuncombe	Tinycore can be portable install on a USB stick.
13:14	DanDuncombe	http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/6eop.jpg/ Lol
13:14	MasterBot	PilzAdam
13:15	MasterBot	You forgot your irritating greeting
13:16	MasterBot	Il need to reboot my PC to use this
13:16	MasterBot	What is the Device called if i boot it from an SD card?
13:16	DanDuncombe	My favourite Mt/Mc skin (A virologist): http://s10.postimg.org/qi2kqu3kp/screenshot_17031339.png http://s23.postimg.org/wmsafy2y3/screenshot_17045710.png
13:17	MasterBot	I am going to have my os on a 32MB SD Card
13:17	DanDuncombe	You can see the lava griefing in the backgrounf
13:17	MasterBot	Anything less than 8MB :P
13:17	MasterBot	?
13:18	MasterBot	Thats not leaves?!
13:18	MasterBot	Oo thats steep: 9HR install Lubuntu
13:18	MasterBot	okay 3
13:18	DanDuncombe	Someone griefed V's server- hence all the orange lava at the left of second pic
13:19	DanDuncombe	Can someone try the current version of zombie game? See if you can find a buried Industry TM crate...
13:20	MasterBot	I cant
13:20	MasterBot	Until i get a non-retarded OS
13:20	MasterBot	[POLL] what OS do you use?
13:20	DanDuncombe	Industry TM used to be like But 'n' Large in Wall-E , until the apocalypse came...
13:21	DanDuncombe	*Buy 'n' Large
13:21	MasterBot	I have a question!
13:21	DanDuncombe	Wht is it?
13:21	MasterBot	Do i put [BOOT] file in the root of my bootable disk?
13:21	MasterBot	*folder
13:21	DanDuncombe	Dunno
13:21	PilzAdam	MasterBot, stop being constantly offtopic
13:21	DanDuncombe	What would it be like if I did time speed 230?
13:23	MasterBot	http://pastebin.com/JbaEf0Ue
13:24	MasterBot	Good for a minetest server?
13:24	PilzAdam	!op
13:24	DanDuncombe	Time speed 1000.WOW!
13:24	MasterBot	It lags in transition
13:24	MasterBot	Also notice a small bog
13:24	MasterBot	*bug
13:25	MasterBot	Watch the sun move, it glitches sometimes
13:25	MasterBot	Well, quite a lot iirc
13:25	DanDuncombe	Yeah.
13:25	DanDuncombe	It 'jumps'
13:25	MasterBot	Now to dig out that old memory stick...
13:27	DanDuncombe	Okay,now for the Big Test. Time speed 1,000,000
13:27	DanDuncombe	WOW! You have to try that!
13:29	MasterBot	oh shit, crashed yet?
13:29	DanDuncombe	Nope.
13:29	DanDuncombe	It's a little tripp though.
13:29	MasterBot	linux?
13:30	DanDuncombe	*trippy
13:30	MasterBot	terminal>>lscpu
13:30	DanDuncombe	Nope. Windows starter on a netbook
13:30	MasterBot	ah
13:30	MasterBot	same1
13:30	MasterBot	!
13:30	MasterBot	7?
13:30	DanDuncombe	&
13:30	DanDuncombe	7
13:31	DanDuncombe	Hint:When writing numbers, don'tpress shift.
13:31	MasterBot	1.6GHz Intel core proccesor 1GB ram
13:31	MasterBot	yah, i got same symbol there aswell
13:31	DanDuncombe	I have...
13:31	DanDuncombe	1.6 Ghz Intel atom, 2gb ram
13:31	MasterBot	dammit lol
13:32	MasterBot	Samsung?
13:32	DanDuncombe	Smasung indeed]
13:32	MasterBot	then can i ask;
13:32	DanDuncombe	*Samsung
13:32	MasterBot	How you have HD textures
13:32	DanDuncombe	I am currently using V's 64 pixel HDX pack, yes
13:33	DanDuncombe	I only get around 10fps sometimes, though
13:33	MasterBot	What a waste
13:33	MasterBot	get linux and get 20 fps at the minimum
13:34	DanDuncombe	My netbook number (on label underneath) is: N145-JPO3
13:34	DanDuncombe	I have dual boot with Kubuntu already
13:34	Calinou	MasterBot: linux drivers are usually slower
13:34	DanDuncombe	NEVER USE UBUNTU RARING!
13:34	Calinou	and this is even worse if you use desktop effects
13:34	Calinou	DanDuncombe: why?
13:34	Calinou	works for me
13:35	Calinou	the best version is always the best, contrary to what the haters might say
13:35	DanDuncombe	Also, Kubuntu normally takes me up to around 80 celsius, when idle.
13:35	MasterBot	NC110
13:35	MasterBot	on the back
13:35	DanDuncombe	You have Nyan Cat number 110.Congratulations!
13:36	Calinou	<DanDuncombe> Also, Kubuntu normally takes me up to around 80 celsius, when idle.
13:36	MasterBot	Reboot to finish installation
13:36	Calinou	tip of the day: don't use the radeon driver on laptops
13:36	Calinou	or if you do, use 3.11 + DPM :P
13:36	DanDuncombe	I have the NP-N145 Plus netbook, with red edge trimming on a back case.
13:37	DanDuncombe	I like it, because, when it freezes you can just undo the clips at the back, and pull out the battery.
13:38	Calinou	you don't do that
13:38	DanDuncombe	I now have a corrupted hard drive.
13:38	Calinou	you can just press power button for 5 seconds, or use Alt+SysRq+REISUB
13:38	DanDuncombe	That often won't work.
13:39	DanDuncombe	Battery is quicker and easier.
13:39	DanDuncombe	And worse for the com's health.
13:39	PilzAdam	DanDuncombe, do you hit yourself with a hammer into the face when you want to sleep?
13:39	DanDuncombe	No, I lie in bed.
13:39	PilzAdam	then why do you do that with your laptop?
13:40	DanDuncombe	Because it is quick.
13:40	Calinou	lol PilzAdam
13:40	DanDuncombe	It has only ever had a corrupted disk which is now fine.
13:40	Calinou	I don't know anyone who is able to remove a battery in less than 5 seconds
13:40	Calinou	fine?
13:40	Calinou	never had a corrupted disk in ~15 years and I wouldn't like that
13:40	DanDuncombe	I can... Just slide the clips and POP! It'sout
13:41	DanDuncombe	What is MinetestBot for?
13:41	PilzAdam	how do you shutdown your iPhone then? ;-)
13:41	DanDuncombe	I hold the power button
13:41	DanDuncombe	I can't just lever the back off my iphone.
13:42	DanDuncombe	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6696 Can someone test?
13:42	DanDuncombe	Jordach is working on cooler zombies.
13:42	DanDuncombe	He is da blender merster.
13:43	DanDuncombe	I should probably stop posting so much on IRC
13:43	DanDuncombe	Otherwise I'll be kicked for spam
13:43	DanDuncombe	Oh well
13:43	PenguinDad	!title
13:43	MinetestBot	PenguinDad: [Game] Zombie Survival [1.1] [zombies] (Page 1) â€” Minetest Games â€” Minetest Forums
13:44	PenguinDad	DanDuncombe: you can use MinetestBot for that.
13:44	DanDuncombe	To show what urls linkto?
13:44	PilzAdam	!help
13:44	MinetestBot	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
13:44	DanDuncombe	lol
13:45	PilzAdam	just dont abuse the bot in the channel, you can use /msg too
13:45	DanDuncombe	!ignore PilzAdam
13:45	DanDuncombe	!unignore PilzAdam
13:45	PilzAdam	ignnore is broken
13:45	PilzAdam	also you are not an admin
13:45	PilzAdam	sfan5, have you fixed !ignore yet?
13:46	DanDuncombe	I am sure someone will make me an admin soon :)
13:46	DanDuncombe	Muhahahahhahahahhaha
13:46	DanDuncombe	Can someone test the game?
13:46	DanDuncombe	Please?
13:47	DanDuncombe	Also, can someone make dark industrial textures for everything, like this Mc texture pack? www.minecraftmine.org/last-days-texture-pack/
13:48	DanDuncombe	If I am kicked for spam can I log back on, or is there a 'cooldown' period?
13:49	DanDuncombe	Spam
13:49	DanDuncombe	Spam
13:49	DanDuncombe	Spam
13:49	DanDuncombe	Spam
13:49	PilzAdam	!mute DanDuncombe
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13:51	DanielDuncombe	Am I still blocked?
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13:51	PilzAdam	!unmute DanDuncombe
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13:52	DanDuncombe	Now there are two of me.
13:52	DanielDuncombe	Spam
13:52	DanielDuncombe	Woops
13:53	DanDuncombe	I don't try to be annoying,I am just a little hyperactive and fidgety.
13:53	DanDuncombe	And just a littleis indeed the correct terminology
13:54	DanDuncombe	Would this make a good zombie survival map? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6642
13:54	DanDuncombe	!
13:54	DanDuncombe	What is the 'show the url'command?
13:54	DanDuncombe	!MinetestBot
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13:55	Calinou	!title
13:55	MinetestBot	Calinou: Karsthafen (a city project) (Page 1) â€” Maps â€” Minetest Forums
13:55	DanDuncombe	Oh
13:55	Calinou	"title or gtfo" --4chan
13:55	* Calinou	runs
13:55	DanDuncombe	!gtfo
13:55	DanDuncombe	Doh.
13:55	DanDuncombe	I am now officially gullible.
13:56	DanDuncombe	Does anyone here play The Powder Toy?
13:56	PilzAdam	!mute !@85.210.142.106
13:56	* Calinou	brohooves PilzAdam
13:57	PilzAdam	/)(\
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14:58	DanDuncombe	Am I unbanned yet?
14:58	Jordach	DanDuncombe, ye
14:58	Jordach	yes
14:58	Jordach	<Jordach> !unmute !@85.210.142.106
14:58	Jordach	* MinetestBot removes quiet on !@85.210.142.106
14:58	Jordach	i did it
14:59	DanDuncombe	Good.
14:59	Peacock	why would dan be banned?
14:59	DanDuncombe	Thanks :)
14:59	DanDuncombe	I was talking to much
14:59	DanDuncombe	*too
14:59	PilzAdam	Peacock, he wasnt banned
14:59	Peacock	talking too much? lol but this channel is dead most of the time :p
14:59	Peacock	at least during EST hours
15:00	DanDuncombe	There were bunches of around 10 posts,all by me
15:00	Peacock	ah, forum ban?
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15:01	DanDuncombe	Jordach, when you finish the zombie .x, could you do a forum pm? Also, you have 2 weeks at least to do it, because I am holidaying, for two weeks, tomorrow. PilzAdam is probably greatful.
15:01	Peacock	4 days ago it was 43c, last night was more like 10c, caught a cold lol
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15:02	DanDuncombe	Does anyone have mod suggestions for zombie game?
15:03	rubenwardy	Hi all!
15:03	DanDuncombe	Hi
15:04	Peacock	howdy
15:07	Peacock	happy Threading the Needle Day
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15:16	Jordach	DanDuncombe, walking and standing anim done
15:16	Jordach	just got to do some finishing touches
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15:17	Jordach	okay, finishing touches done
15:17	Jordach	DanDuncombe, is there a "attacking" position, or they just chase and do damage in range
15:18	Jordach	like the dirt monster
15:18	* Jordach	sighs
15:20	DanDuncombe	Hopefully he should have an 'arms out' zombie tear-your-brain-out pose when attacking.
15:21	DanDuncombe	They work like sand monsters I think
15:21	DanDuncombe	The original did anyway.
15:22	Jordach	DanDuncombe, drawing a skin
15:22	DanDuncombe	Okay, thanks
15:23	Jordach	i'm using the player model :P
15:23	DanDuncombe	A zombie player is brilliant :)
15:23	Jordach	DanDuncombe, it's based from Sam II
15:23	DanDuncombe	That's fine :)
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15:23	Jordach	....and gimp looks like it crashed again, but it isnt
15:23	Jordach	loading... \| Fonts this may take a while
15:24	Jordach	there we go
15:24	DanDuncombe	pm'ed?
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15:26	DanDuncombe	BTW, Jordach. You are the best at this, y'know :)
15:31	Jordach	DanDuncombe, the zombie model has two states, walking and standing
15:31	DanDuncombe	Okay! We shall see what happens, I gues
15:31	DanDuncombe	*guess
15:33	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/T9OWYpS.png
15:33	DanDuncombe	Lovely:)
15:33	rubenwardy	nice jordach
15:34	rubenwardy	maybe some blood/gore? :P
15:34	DanDuncombe	Yes
15:34	DanDuncombe	Maybe white eyes to
15:34	DanDuncombe	Pure white,like Herbrine
15:34	DanDuncombe	*Herobrine
15:35	DanDuncombe	Also, where did you get that skin maker?
15:35	Jordach	model is exported with the original blend file
15:35	Jordach	now uploadinhg
15:35	DanDuncombe	Thanks.
15:35	Jordach	uploading*
15:36	Jordach	http://www.mediafire.com/download/bifmuyqr9b8uugg/zombie.zip
15:36	Jordach	a literal name
15:36	* Jordach	hasnt tested the mesh in-game
15:36	* DanDuncombe	will try it now
15:36	Jordach	model + texture is cc-by-nc-sa
15:37	Jordach	- -nc
15:37	DanDuncombe	Where is the texture?
15:37	Jordach	i knew i forgot something
15:39	DanDuncombe	Typical. I tried to test it and couldn't find a damn zombie anywhere.
15:39	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/z1uxjmM.png
15:39	Jordach	just right click and save as
15:39	* Jordach	has realised there is no hat layer on the model
15:40	Jordach	cant get everything right
15:41	Jordach	DanDuncombe, better?
15:42	DanDuncombe	Still can't find a zombie...
15:42	Jordach	frames 0 - 80 is standing
15:42	Jordach	frames 81 - 121 are moving / walking
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15:42	Jordach	(thought you might need that info)
15:42	Jordach	DanDuncombe, /spawnentity mobs:zombie ?
15:43	Jordach	? being there for is it the right entity name
15:43	DanDuncombe	I'll try
15:43	DanDuncombe	Okay... The zombie is invisible.
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15:45	Jordach	DanDuncombe, i didn't uncheck export all selected OBJECTS
15:45	Jordach	i probably had the wrong thing checked
15:45	DanDuncombe	Okay
15:46	DanDuncombe	The spooky thing was, I could still hear it walking around...
15:47	Jordach	http://www.mediafire.com/view/sgnhcebyu06b14l/zombie.x
15:47	Jordach	try that one
15:47	DanDuncombe	Thanks.Should zombies drop anything, do you think?
15:47	Jordach	rotten flesh?
15:47	Jordach	DanDuncombe, i'll keep exporting until it WORKS
15:47	Jordach	as i have all day
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15:48	* Jordach	suspects DanDuncombe is a brit
15:48	DanDuncombe	I AM eNGLISH
15:48	Jordach	WHOO!
15:48	DanDuncombe	Woops, capslock XD
15:48	Jordach	26 celcius outside of Aylsham
15:49	Jordach	DanDuncombe, any update on the model working
15:49	DanDuncombe	Still invisible
15:49	Jordach	weird
15:49	DanDuncombe	24 celsius in Cranbrook
15:50	Jordach	is the texture named zombie.png
15:50	khor	37 celsius in agen
15:50	DanDuncombe	Jordach: When I downloaded the second one, it seemed to be a text file with the extension .x
15:50	Jordach	DanDuncombe, thats the raw model format
15:51	DanDuncombe	Okay
15:51	Jordach	model format for minetest is .x
15:51	Jordach	so zombie.x in the mobs:zombie def is needed
15:51	DanDuncombe	'Could not load mesh'
15:51	Jordach	provided the model is in /mobs/models/zombie.x
15:51	DanDuncombe	'mobs_zombie.x'
15:51	Jordach	DanDuncombe, there you go
15:51	Jordach	rename the zombie.x to mobs_zombie.x
15:51	DanDuncombe	It was there, just couldn't load it.
15:52	Jordach	DanDuncombe, it does that with the player model afaik
15:52	DanDuncombe	Yeah! WOO!
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15:52	MasterBot	Hi
15:52	Jordach	it works with the frames i told you to use
15:52	MasterBot	Using TinyCoreLinux
15:52	MasterBot	But no [AT] or [HASH] symbol
15:52	Jordach	also: screenshot it
15:53	* Jordach	wants evidence
15:53	DanDuncombe	Okay...
15:53	MasterBot	reckon i can get minetest running here?
15:53	Jordach	MasterBot, thats the point of open source
15:53	Jordach	as it should run on anything with patience
15:53	MasterBot	Patience?
15:53	Jordach	but i'd stick with windows and then install mint or something
15:53	* Jordach	likes Linux Mint 15
15:54	MasterBot	This was just a test
15:54	MasterBot	And it passed!
15:54	MasterBot	and now i can carry my os around with me!!!
15:55	DanDuncombe	His arms are huge
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15:55	DanDuncombe	http://s17.postimg.org/8ezpq5q0v/screenshot_26597101.png
15:55	Jordach	emh
15:56	Jordach	DanDuncombe, the scale in my blender is 1.0 for all frames
15:56	DanDuncombe	Okay
15:56	DanDuncombe	He looks cool with huge arms tough
15:56	DanDuncombe	He mutated
15:56	Jordach	DanDuncombe, i think i worked it out
15:57	DanDuncombe	MM?
15:57	Jordach	I might have done Export skin weights
15:58	Jordach	as well as bones
15:58	DanDuncombe	He has no animation
15:58	* Jordach	uploads a fix
15:58	DanDuncombe	He just skides around
15:58	DanDuncombe	*slides
15:58	Jordach	DanDuncombe, frames 0-80 is standing around
15:58	Jordach	frames 81-121 is walking / chasing
15:58	MasterBot	Python works!
15:58	DanDuncombe	Okay. Will change.
15:58	Jordach	http://www.mediafire.com/view/68cb378mmhtiwo2/mobs_zombie.x <- try
15:59	Jordach	once you've added the frame ranges
15:59	MasterBot	How do i change resolution from terminal?
15:59	MasterBot	I dont have xrandr though
15:59	Jordach	(that MIGHT BE WHY the arms are huge)
16:00	MasterBot	Ima reboot to openbox
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16:02	DanDuncombe	The armswork now.
16:02	Jordach	there we go, the mobs_zombie.x is unneeded
16:02	Jordach	DanDuncombe, screenshots!
16:03	DanDuncombe	Be a moment
16:03	Jordach	okay :D
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16:04	* Jordach	might also make some zombie sounds
16:04	* Jordach	has a mic for that
16:06	DanDuncombe	Still no animations. But here is a screeny. I have set the animations for the right frames,so don't know what the prblem is. http://s11.postimg.org/yre19k5rn/screenshot_27255274.png
16:07	DanDuncombe	He just slides around like that.
16:07	Jordach	DanDuncombe, show me the code for the zombie
16:07	Jordach	(zip up your latest)
16:07	DanDuncombe	All of it? Can I pastebin it?
16:07	Jordach	i want the entire game dir
16:07	DanDuncombe	So... the whole mod?
16:08	Jordach	i could probably find the bug in a min
16:08	Jordach	DanDuncombe, yes
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16:08	DanDuncombe	https://www.dropbox.com/s/13dbqxc1mc7shmu/zombie.zip
16:10	Jordach	DanDuncombe, i meant the game mode
16:10	DanDuncombe	Ok, will just be a moment updating github.
16:10	Jordach	sweet
16:12	Jordach	http://paste.viewskew.com/index.php/view/57285798
16:12	Jordach	fixes
16:13	Jordach	mainly to the anims
16:14	DanDuncombe	Just a few moments til the latest is on git.
16:14	DanDuncombe	Okay. Latest version on Github
16:15	* Jordach	needs link
16:15	DanDuncombe	Link is on game topic
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16:21	DanDuncombe	Jordach, how's it going?
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16:26	DanDuncombe	Jordach, are you there?
16:26	Jordach	mhm
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16:26	MasterBot	Hi
16:27	* Jordach	tries another export
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16:27	Jordach	i'll frig about until it wokrs
16:27	Jordach	works*
16:28	DanDuncombe	Ready before tomorrow, I hope :) Looks really good so far.
16:28	MasterBot	Any Oses i can fit on 4GB
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16:28	MasterBot	That can run minetest/Python?
16:29	nalkri	Any sane Linux install?
16:29	DanDuncombe	Get a bigger sd/memory card?
16:29	MasterBot	Sorry, 4 and 2 are only ones i have
16:29	MasterBot	And the point is to make it portable
16:30	MasterBot	Hmm.. 200MB in 1min 50MB in 10min
16:30	MasterBot	Damn Small Linux have shitty servers
16:35	DanDuncombe	Jordach, any updates
16:36	Jordach	DanDuncombe, hm, seems like blender's .x exporter is literally broken
16:36	Jordach	when i say broken, i mean it
16:36	DanDuncombe	Try a different version? Or I could try the default player model, somehow
16:38	DanDuncombe	Jordach: I will now try using the Vombie model from MobF
16:39	MasterBot	Is there an alternative to UnetBootin?
16:40	MasterBot	oh, nvm, reboot :)
16:40	PenguinDad	MasterBot: you can use multisystem
16:40	Jordach	DanDuncombe, http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/DirectX_Exporter
16:41	Jordach	there is a note at the top of the page
16:43	DanDuncombe	Could you do that? I can't .x from Blender at all anyway, because I can't open User Preferences.
16:43	Jordach	DanDuncombe, already got the fix, just need to apply it
16:45	DanDuncombe	Okay. I tried the vombie model from mobf, and two things. 1) It uses a different pattern for textures, and 2) It moves sideways.
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16:47	Jordach	DanDuncombe, the model error that there is something missing is gone for good
16:48	DanDuncombe	Errm. So, can anything be done?
16:48	Jordach	DanDuncombe, continual re-exports
16:48	DanDuncombe	Okay.
16:50	Jordach	ehm shit
16:50	Jordach	i had selected markers
16:50	DanDuncombe	This may be a good thing to note: Minetest can load .b3d files as well as .x
16:50	Jordach	which might have cause this
16:51	* Jordach	tests
16:51	DanDuncombe	Oh and BTW, the player model is hilarious. Instead of walking, when he moves he sits down and slides along on his bum.
16:51	DanDuncombe	When used as the zombie.
16:53	DanDuncombe	So if you can export as .b3d, then that may be a solution.
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17:01	Jordach	export b3d isnt in blender
17:01	DanDuncombe	I just found that out.
17:01	DanDuncombe	There must be a way...
17:03	DanDuncombe	All I can suggest is get whatever program make .b3d files...
17:03	PilzAdam	sapier has a script for blender to export b3d IIRC
17:04	DanDuncombe	WHERE IS THE SCRIPT
17:07	DanDuncombe	A blender-b3d script: https://supertuxkart.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/supertuxkart/media/trunk/blender_25/B3DExport.py
17:07	DanDuncombe	Jordach, see above
17:09	Jordach	bbl
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17:38	DanDuncombe	Can someone please look at the latest version of zombies and give them a better texture? Thanks so much!
17:38	DanDuncombe	Just need to update git...
17:39	DanDuncombe	Done!
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17:46	DanDuncombe	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=102032#p102032
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17:55	DanDuncombe	PLease help making texture (see above post)
17:56	Peacock	someone will notice the forum post :P no need to keep asking multiple times here :-)
17:56	Peacock	texture ppl are hard to come by
17:58	Peacock	especially with people being anal about each texture's individual license lol
17:58	Calinou	Peacock: are you mauvebic? :P
17:58	Peacock	um, yeah, thought that was obvious :p
17:58	Peacock	and its 14hrs here
17:59	PenguinDad	At my place it's 20hrs
17:59	Peacock	exio figured it out fairly quickly lol
18:00	Peacock	CTCP are for time right?
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18:00	Peacock	anyways ive been away long enough that i dont remember the password for mauvebic lol
18:06	DanDuncombe	It's just the texture is the Zombie Mod texture, and I don't like it because it's too similar to the Simplemobs original skin.
18:07	Peacock	I think V has a lot of skins' for her servers' players
18:07	DanDuncombe	This has a different shape though, and those won't therefore work
18:08	DanDuncombe	Who think there should be the occasional giant zombie?
18:08	DanDuncombe	And maybe baby ones too.
18:08	Menche	i think normal zomies should be weaker
18:09	Menche	speaking of baby zombies, on my server right now there's an entity bug that makes the zombies insect-sized
18:09	Peacock	i get that with attach
18:09	Menche	maybe my client still has the old models cached
18:09	Peacock	my sentry was sposed to be a stationary machine gun that you had to aim to fire
18:09	Peacock	but the players got shrunk to ant-size lol
18:09	Menche	gah, a turret destroyed my boat :(
18:10	Peacock	which turret mod?
18:10	Peacock	dans or jordans?
18:10	Menche	whatever DanDuncombe has in his zombies game
18:10	DanDuncombe	The same as in my camo mod.
18:10	Peacock	i dont know if jordans did the same but i got rid of the node removal, my bullets only hit people
18:11	Peacock	though my turrets are realllly old so i dont quite remember how i set it up lol
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18:13	Menche	kaeza's firearms mod uses particles instead of entities for bullets
18:13	Peacock	how does that work? i know particles can be physical, but do damage?
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18:15	Peacock	ahh, the particles dont actually do the killing
18:15	Menche	it looks like it actually does spawn an entity
18:15	Menche	?
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18:16	Peacock	thats weird cuz my bullets can kill mobs (entities)
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18:17	Peacock	says on top of p5: - Added particles to simulate bullets.
18:17	Peacock	if theyre simulated then theyre not doing the damage, something else is
18:17	Calinou	of pentium 5? :D
18:17	Peacock	page
18:17	Calinou	Peacock: CTCP is for version, time, ping...
18:17	Calinou	and theorically anything
18:17	Calinou	you can create your own CTCPs
18:18	Peacock	i dont use irc often enough to know all the quirks tho lol
18:18	PenguinDad	Calinou and for FINGER
18:18	Calinou	that too
18:21	Peacock	weird, bullets look to be the same as mine, does firearms work on mobf?
18:21	Menche	it looks like firearms looks ahead in the direction the player is facing, finds what is in that direction, and manually decreases the hp
18:21	Menche	and just spawns a particle for show
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18:22	Peacock	firearmslib.lua lines 338-339: if (not obj.entity:is_player()) then
18:22	Peacock	obj.entity:remove();
18:22	Peacock	seems like it removes the bullet if the obj is not a player
18:22	Mallot1	hello everyone :)
18:23	Peacock	entities ain't players
18:23	Mallot1	pentium are you here?
18:24	* Menche	is having problems with meshes from DanDuncombe's game
18:24	Menche	zombies are like ants
18:26	Menche	still do as much damage as ever
18:26	Peacock	meshes scale funny sometimes lol
18:26	Peacock	probably they were already scaled (you can find that somewhere in blender's UI lol)
18:26	Menche	they were working fine before
18:27	Peacock	then im out of theories lol
18:27	Menche	DanDuncombe: did you change the zombie model?
18:28	DanDuncombe	I have now put it back to what is was in the first version.
18:29	DanDuncombe	In a moment, go to the game mode post to get a sneakyimage preview of the different zombie sizes for next version :)
18:30	Menche	could you make normal zombies weaker? it's impossible to kill one with a diamond sword
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18:30	Menche	takes like 8-10 hits
18:31	Menche	they can kill a player with half that
18:31	DanDuncombe	They will have 30 hp in next version? Do you want it lower than that?
18:31	DanDuncombe	Also, see screenies now!
18:32	DanDuncombe	Does 20 hp sound good? Same as player?
18:32	Menche	for a normal one, yeah
18:33	DanDuncombe	Okay,mini ones have 10hp, normal 20hp, giant 50hp
18:33	Menche	it's saying it couldn't load mobs_zombie.x
18:33	DanDuncombe	I am still updatin...
18:35	DanDuncombe	syncing...
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18:35	NakedFury	how much they hit for? half, full, # hearts?
18:35	NakedFury	this is why I hate the heart system right now
18:35	Menche	1 damage = 1/2 heart right?
18:36	DanDuncombe	1=half a heart
18:36	DanDuncombe	Update now! Take out your rage! Go, go,go!
18:36	* Menche	sees yet another Thumbs.db added
18:36	DanDuncombe	I will be back in 2 weeks.See yah later.
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18:38	Peacock	what are thumbs.db? i see these all over the place
18:38	ruskie	windows thumbnail metadata
18:38	Peacock	ahh
18:38	ruskie	can remove it safely
18:40	Peacock	im guessing windows hidden files get copied with the rest into the archives
18:44	cisoun	Damn boys, almost 3000 commits !
18:47	Peacock	@ 5k therell be beer and hookers for everyone :D
18:47	Peacock	j/k
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18:59	Kacey	aaw that is no fun Peacock
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19:04	Jordach	wait what
19:04	Jordach	Peacock == mauvebic
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19:04	hoodedice	YO
19:05	Calinou	YO DAWG
19:05	hoodedice	Hmm. Been seeing the recent flames between Jordach and PilzAdam
19:06	hoodedice	Is this community really that explosive?
19:06	Calinou	it's as explosive as any open source community? 8D
19:06	Calinou	people get emo when they don't agree with eachother
19:07	hoodedice	So, this is normal?
19:07	hoodedice	Wow.
19:07	Calinou	sort of
19:08	hoodedice	So, I'm a noob prog, as you know
19:08	Calinou	same
19:08	hoodedice	And I cam across this chem mod
19:09	hoodedice	Straight Q - Can formspecs be made clickable?
19:09	hoodedice	And, WHAT THE FUDGE ARE FORMSECS?
19:09	hoodedice	*FORMSPECS
19:09	Calinou	formspecs are GUIs you can create
19:09	Jordach	formspecs are a specification to open menus attached to entities or blocks
19:09	Calinou	ask RealBadAngel about it :D
19:10	Calinou	the inventory is a formspec, too
19:10	hoodedice	So, the pause menu is a formspec
19:10	hoodedice	So if the inventory is clickable, then I can make one too :)
19:10	hoodedice	Thanks
19:10	hoodedice	Will check inventory source
19:10	Calinou	pause isn't a formspec
19:11	Calinou	main menu is a formspec now
19:11	hoodedice	hmm.
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19:12	Peacock	flying freenode? that does that mean im going to be molested by security?
19:12	DanDuncombe	Do you think my zombie game should be permanent night,or normal? Also, should zombies 'burn' in the sun?
19:12	hoodedice	Nah, only vamps do that
19:12	Calinou	lol Peacock
19:13	hoodedice	Normal, but zombies come all the time
19:13	DanDuncombe	So switch between day n night, but they don't die in sun?
19:13	hoodedice	Make it realistic. #irony
19:13	hoodedice	Yup
19:13	hoodedice	But they go away
19:13	DanDuncombe	They never go till they are killed
19:14	hoodedice	Watch Resident Evil #irony, I haven't watched it myself.
19:14	hoodedice	Make a code for that.
19:14	hoodedice	:)
19:14	DanDuncombe	Hence massive server lag, and the idea that they burn in sun to remove them
19:14	hoodedice	What about if they don't get human flesh for a while, they will eat each other
19:14	hoodedice	?
19:15	DanDuncombe	O don't know. But day and night will be short.
19:15	DanDuncombe	G'bye
19:15	hdastwb	is it actually possible to farm in permanight?
19:15	hoodedice	Use a greenhouse mod.
19:15	hoodedice	:P
19:15	hdastwb	otherwise, the only food source is half-heart apples
19:16	hoodedice	With arti-sunlights
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19:20	Peacock	looks like Air Freenode is ejecting passengers :p
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19:23	Peacock	well i have time for a beer run while freenode sorts itself out lol
19:24	whirm	how do you get stainless steel dust in technic?
19:24	Calinou	beer is evil
19:27	hdastwb	by grinding stainless steel ingots?
19:28	Jordach	holy shit
19:28	Jordach	i survived the netsplit
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19:30	DanDuncombe	Can someone pm, in .we format, the best smallish armoured house they have.
19:30	DanDuncombe	Minetest house I mean
19:31	Jordach	they found my browser, they found my browser!! http://i.imgur.com/SFB67Xg.png
19:31	hdastwb	darn it; someone stole my door on Menche's zombie server
19:31	DanDuncombe	Lol
19:31	DanDuncombe	Did you get overrun? Also, do you see giant zombies?
19:32	hdastwb	not yet
19:32	hdastwb	they also blocked off my mine, so I don't think any zombies got in
19:33	DanDuncombe	No giants? He probably has't updated yet then. Also,zombies do NOT spawn on stone so mines should be safe.
19:33	DanDuncombe	Also,I'm coming on now
19:33	hdastwb	I mainly haven't been looking outside much. . .
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19:38	Peacock	<Calinou> beer is evil
19:38	Peacock	maybe, but its less evil than weed and cigarettes (cut one out two months ago, the other in a month)
19:38	Calinou	Jordach, "chrome derp"
19:38	Calinou	lol
19:38	Peacock	and beer is better than homicide under such circumstances
19:38	Calinou	looks very similar :P
19:43	Peacock	gotta fix these dang swoosh doors
19:44	Calinou	talking about doors, I'd like to see glass doors in the default game.
19:44	Peacock	good store doors
19:44	Peacock	wood doors on a business looks silly, unless it's a bordello
19:46	DanDuncombe	Menche: You must update your server's zombies, because they are currently 99% Invinsible. Also there is incredible lag.
19:46	Calinou	invinsible? so they're both invincible and invisible at the same time? :P
19:48	DanDuncombe	They are just invinCible
19:50	whirm	hdastwb: and how do I do a stainless steel ingot?
19:50	hdastwb	by alloy-smelting steel and chromium
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19:52	Jordach	Menche, what version is your zombie server running
19:52	Menche	latest git
19:52	Jordach	fuck
19:52	Jordach	Menche, ip please
19:52	Menche	menche.servegame.com 30001
19:52	Menche	i'm currently trying to get it to restart
19:53	DanDuncombe	It is overrun by zombies.
19:53	Jordach	one /shutdown is sufficient
19:53	DanDuncombe	Jordach: Why 'fuck'?
19:53	Jordach	ctrl + c in terminal too
19:53	Menche	it's not running in a terminal
19:53	Jordach	DanDuncombe, i dont have latest git
19:53	DanDuncombe	I need to be afk for a bit.
19:53	Menche	it's started by a cronjob
19:54	Menche	it was lagging and wasn't processing /shutdown
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19:56	Menche	fortunately, it's a very new map, so /clearobjects doesn't take that long
19:56	Peacock	0.4.7 shouldn't have the clearobjects eternity bug
19:56	Menche	it only takes half an eternity now
19:57	Menche	it works now; it used to crash
19:57	Peacock	half of infinity is still infinity no?
19:57	Menche	it takes much longer on a larger world, of course
19:57	Menche	lol yeah
19:57	Peacock	if it works now then its negative infinity :P
19:58	Menche	wooo, 1 FPS
19:58	Peacock	did you try turning it off and on? :p
19:58	Menche	what?
19:59	Peacock	standard tech support question :p
19:59	Menche	i can't find the start button :(
19:59	Calinou	^ kim jong-un
19:59	Peacock	wheres the any key???!
20:00	Peacock	kim jong un... the only thing he needs to find is a gym
20:00	Peacock	same goes for avery brooks and the female that played captain janeway
20:00	Menche	a fat bratty kid in charge of an entire country...
20:00	Peacock	how is that different from bush jr? (sans the fat)
20:01	PilzAdam	Peacock, bush was elected by millions of people...
20:01	Peacock	prolly the cocaine kept him skinny
20:01	Peacock	well, the supreme court had something to say about it too
20:02	hdastwb	(fewer millions than voted for his opponent)
20:02	Peacock	i know this much: ill never vote on a computer
20:02	Calinou	oh our daily atheism discussion
20:02	Peacock	atheism?
20:02	Peacock	did i miss something lol
20:03	Peacock	i must be the only atheist on earth who doesn't like disussing it lol
20:03	Jordach	Menche, did it crash again
20:03	nalkri	There's not much to say about atheism really
20:03	Peacock	it always ends up with "you think you got everything figured out" blah blah lol
20:04	NakedFury	how do you guys go from cocaine to voting to gods?
20:04	nalkri	Believe in any deities? Nope. Me neither
20:04	Peacock	i believe in being surprised lol
20:04	Peacock	i dont know whats gonna happen when i die and neither does anyone
20:04	PilzAdam	NakedFury, thats #minetest :-)
20:04	NakedFury	yeah Pilzaddam and they keep talking about it
20:05	NakedFury	didnt we have a no religion or politic rule here?
20:05	Peacock	calinou brought it up :p
20:05	Peacock	doesnt opensource and copyleft fall under politics?
20:05	Calinou	karma pls
20:05	Peacock	its hard to divide the two
20:06	Peacock	you cant mention opensource without saying "x corporation is evil" or "y law is stupid"
20:06	NakedFury	ok what is there to say about it that we already in this channel dont know from the other countles times it has been mentioned?
20:06	PilzAdam	"Off-topic is allowed, but excessive use of it is disallowed."
20:06	Peacock	i have no idea lol like i said, calinou brought up atheism, not me :p
20:07	* Jordach	calls that rule bullshit
20:07	Calinou	like rule 34 or 63
20:07	Jordach	zing
20:07	Calinou	"zing" is a registered trademark of notch
20:07	Calinou	DanDuncombe, away nicks are bad
20:07	PilzAdam	DanDuncombe, away nicks are bad
20:08	DanDuncombe	SHould I make zombies rarer? There always seems to be millions of them...
20:08	Peacock	DanDuncombe, away nicks are bad
20:08	* Jordach	rapidly hits his PC - load the media dumbfuck
20:08	Peacock	now beetlejuice should show up
20:08	DanDuncombe	PilzAdam, you are bad.
20:08	DanDuncombe	No offence
20:08	Calinou	Jordach, SSD for the win
20:08	Jordach	DanDuncombe, isnt that the point of a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE.
20:08	Jordach	Calinou, im talking about the minetestserver
20:09	DanDuncombe	But there are so many that you get nothing but lag.
20:09	Calinou	ah
20:09	Calinou	go to servers with remote_media :P
20:09	Peacock	*offense
20:09	Calinou	thank you Peacock for correcting him
20:09	Peacock	you were thinking of defence (uk spelling)
20:09	DanDuncombe	I was thinking maybe,normalzombies stay the same, but giants and minis are rarer?
20:10	Peacock	dan, why not use the bones mod to turn dead players to zombies?
20:12	DanDuncombe	I was thinking of that,but maybe at a later date.
20:12	DanDuncombe	Also, amazing news: When I was making zombies rarer,I actually was making them more common by mistake.
20:13	DanDuncombe	How would I utilise the bones mod,I wonder? Somehow use an abm,or something, I guess.
20:13	DanDuncombe	But I want just 1 to spawn
20:13	Peacock	minetest.register_on_dieplayer(func(ObjectRef))
20:13	Peacock	^ Called when a player dies
20:14	Peacock	then use player:getpos() to place a zombie
20:14	DanDuncombe	Could you pastebin the necessary 'spawn a zombie on death' code?
20:14	Peacock	does die player give the pos they died at or respawned at?
20:14	Peacock	i didn't write it i just thought of it
20:14	Peacock	i used something similar for a dynamic spawnpoint
20:15	Peacock	since people keep wrecking spawn lol
20:15	Peacock	or building right next to it lol
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20:15	Peacock	sentries machine-gunning down new players as they arrive
20:16	DanDuncombe	Good for them. Teach thema lesson.
20:16	DanDuncombe	Are the sentries automatic?
20:16	Peacock	yep
20:16	DanDuncombe	Are they Aimable?@
20:16	Peacock	i tried that
20:16	Calinou	"aimable" in french means "lovable"
20:16	Calinou	lol
20:16	Peacock	attach causes player to shrink
20:16	NakedFury	make spawn and the area around it protected from building on.
20:16	Calinou	i wouldn't try :D
20:16	DanDuncombe	Just use automatic ones. It is easiest and best.
20:17	Peacock	i was thinking of a hardcoded spawn and narrow corridors to get around the map
20:17	DanDuncombe	Wasn't there an aimable cannon mod?
20:17	Peacock	thing is i wanted gun that people can't carry around, but can aim (like machine gun in wolfenstein where i got the idea)
20:18	Peacock	tho im quite happy with Aliens (movie) type sentries, they rotate like the real thing
20:18	DanDuncombe	Yeah. Like the old cannon mod
20:18	DanDuncombe	Do your sentries turn to look at what they are shooting?
20:19	Peacock	yep
20:19	Peacock	you can get code for that from any of the mob mods
20:19	DanDuncombe	Automtically?
20:19	Peacock	yep
20:20	Peacock	though since entities are more intense than plain nodes i reduced their range so ppl wouldn't go crazy with them
20:20	DanDuncombe	Actually, I won't bother doing that.
20:20	DanDuncombe	Otherwise my sentries would shoot themselves.
20:20	Peacock	only if they target all entities instead of just players
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20:21	Peacock	and you can always read the entity to make sure its not a sentry
20:21	DanDuncombe	True
20:21	DanDuncombe	Can someone do a pull request with that feature for my Camo Mod?
20:22	DanDuncombe	Also, with my zombies game, does changing the spawn thing at the bottom, when higher do they spawn more or less?
20:22	DanDuncombe	*at the bottom of the zombie's code
20:24	DanDuncombe	'Spawn_inverse_chance = xxxx
20:26	Peacock	is there a mod that has dark tinted glass? all ive seen is glass with colored borders
20:26	DanDuncombe	Okay, goodbye everyone.I amnow leaving for the Holidays. Goodbye.
20:26	Calinou	stained_glass, Peacock
20:26	Calinou	bye DanDuncombe
20:27	nalkri	On a related note, can glass colour light?
20:27	Calinou	nope
20:27	DanDuncombe	GOODBYE GUYS!
20:27	Calinou	it can't tint what's behind, theorically possible with shaders
20:27	DanDuncombe	3
20:27	nalkri	Enjoy your holiday
20:27	DanDuncombe	2
20:27	DanDuncombe	1
20:27	DanDuncombe	BYE BYE!
20:27	nalkri	Shame, can't have blood red windows for my temple then
20:27	* Menche	counts the number of messages it took DanDuncombe to say goodbye
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20:28	Peacock	im trying to recreate a landmark from montreal lol
20:28	Peacock	Tour de la Bourse
20:29	Peacock	i dont think it houses a stock exchange anymore tho lol
20:29	Calinou	that's what she said, Peacock
20:29	Peacock	lol not that again :p
20:29	Calinou	Peacock, look up "bourse" in a french dictionary and you'll see
20:29	Calinou	it doesn't only mean "bank" or something like that 8D
20:30	Peacock	ironically, for a french guy, i failed french but got flying colors for english XD
20:30	Peacock	though they cant decide what kind of french to teach in quebec
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20:37	whirm	is it possible to craft stainless steel
20:37	whirm	?
20:37	Peacock	which mod?
20:38	Calinou	whirm, technic?
20:38	Calinou	but there is no such thing in the default game
20:38	whirm	Peacock. Calinou: yup, technic
20:38	Peacock	well if RBA put it in, there must be a way to get it
20:38	whirm	I'm looking at the code and I can't see a recipe for it
20:39	Calinou	there is
20:39	Calinou	but I don't remember, I don't use technic
20:39	whirm	https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/master/technic_worldgen/crafts.lua
20:39	Peacock	y u no have craft guide?
20:39	Calinou	craft_guide is good, yeah
20:40	whirm	I have it. from technic game, and it only shows how to make it from stainless steel dist
20:40	whirm	dust
20:40	whirm	which I can't craft either
20:41	Peacock	what does craft guide say for dust then?
20:41	Peacock	i think you have to use some sort of grinder
20:41	Peacock	things you get from machines probably dont have crafts
20:42	Peacock	but RBA knows more about it than me
20:42	whirm	but the grinder needs electricity
20:42	Peacock	well thats your problem :p
20:42	whirm	and I need stainless steel to build the transformer to build the switcher to be able to use electric stuff
20:42	Peacock	if you got technic then you gotta follow the directions
20:43	whirm	it is a cyclic dependency
20:43	Peacock	i dont play w/ technic either :/
20:44	Peacock	nothing against it, but the chain depency is too much for my poor dualcore
20:44	Peacock	*dependency
20:44	whirm	meh, I guess ill get the stainless steel ingots in creative mode then
20:44	whirm	thanks for the help
20:45	whirm	I tried putting iron and coal in an alloy thingie, but no dice
20:46	Peacock	RBA should be on later
20:46	kahrl	whirm: try putting chromium ingots and steel ingots in the alloy furnace
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20:47	Peacock	there he is lol
20:48	RealBadAngel	hi folks
20:49	Kacey	hi rba
20:49	Peacock	RBA whirm is having trouble figuring out technic crafts
20:49	Kacey	ShadowNinja found a bug with supply converters
20:50	whirm	kahrl: ok, Ill try
20:51	whirm	RealBadAngel: the stainless steel ingot recipe doesn't show in the craft guide
20:52	RealBadAngel	i will check it right away whirm
20:52	whirm	thx :D
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20:57	RealBadAngel	whirm, a mystery, i can see all 3 craft recipes there
20:57	Calinou	a crafting recipe, wrapped in a mystery!
20:58	whirm	RealBadAngel: I see: stainless steel block with no recipe for it, stainless steel dust with no recipe for it, stainless steel ingot with cooking from stainless steel dust as the only recipe
20:59	RealBadAngel	are you sure you have latest technic?
21:00	whirm	git rev-parse HEAD
21:00	whirm	db695ceed8affba6a326875d6c32663e7a2be13b
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21:02	Peacock	didn't know git could give head
21:02	whirm	Peacock: you would be surprised :D
21:03	Peacock	explains why its so popular tho lol
21:05	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-07-23#i_3215282 what did you mean there?
21:05	PilzAdam	I wasnt discussing anything
21:07	whirm	RealBadAngel: any suggestion?
21:07	Peacock	was prolly referring to another occasion
21:08	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, it usual when we start to discuss things you run PilzAdam.Shutdown()
21:08	PilzAdam	but we havent discussed anything
21:09	RealBadAngel	i were talkin to you
21:09	RealBadAngel	but never mind
21:10	Peacock	PilzAdam.Suggestion(input)
21:10	Peacock	input = nil
21:10	Peacock	return false
21:10	Peacock	end
21:10	kahrl	as you can see, PA reads the logs. IRC is asynchronous.
21:10	Peacock	that function?
21:11	Peacock	:P
21:11	PilzAdam	Peacock, add print("Doesnt fit the voxel idea")
21:11	Peacock	lol yeah
21:11	Peacock	but alot of whats already in the game could fit that too
21:12	kahrl	mmh, alots
21:12	Peacock	thats why i dont think it makes a very good argument at this point
21:12	PilzAdam	https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest
21:12	kahrl	alot of voxels
21:12	Peacock	half my crap is nodeboxes by now lol
21:12	kahrl	eww
21:12	PilzAdam	that game takes the voxel idea as a core rule
21:13	Peacock	well ive been playing a long time :p
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21:14	Peacock	still, ppl seem to like it on my server
21:14	Peacock	they think im nuts but they like it lol
21:14	PilzAdam	people like everything
21:14	Peacock	not everything, unless you add it all up
21:15	PilzAdam	that doesnt say that its good in from a gameplay point of view
21:15	Peacock	obvs it always depends on the idea
21:15	PilzAdam	ehm, thats good grammar ;-)
21:15	Peacock	if you can toggle it off, its not as bad as something youre stuck with
21:16	Peacock	im not particularly crazy about item drops, the mess it made on my server within two days, but at least i can turn it off
21:17	* Jordach	has a variety of skins, winter, summer, autumn / spring
21:17	Peacock	youre not still running 4seasons i hope? :P
21:17	whirm	kahrl: I tried with chromium and steel but nope
21:18	Peacock	if someone wants to remake 4seasons with better code, by all means, it was one of my first lol
21:18	whirm	kahrl: ahh, sorry, it took a while but it works!
21:18	Jordach	Peacock, nope.avi
21:19	Peacock	F1 or F2 should hide player names too, ruins screens :(
21:19	Jordach	heh
21:20	* Jordach	keeps thinking Peacock is a different person
21:20	Peacock	but you PMd me earlier lol
21:20	Jordach	ikr
21:20	Peacock	if you can bruteforce the password to mauvebic go ahead :P
21:20	Peacock	i got locked out after n times lol
21:21	Peacock	tho maybe my IP will change when i move next week
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21:28	Peacock	out of curiosity, someone called PilzAnal joined my server yesterday and started griefing, im guessing that wasn't PilzAdam?
21:28	PilzAdam	he also joineed this channel some time ago, got banned
21:29	Peacock	aiight i banned him/her too lol
21:29	PilzAdam	and it wasnt me
21:29	Peacock	i doubt youd pick that name lol
21:29	Peacock	you seem to have a weird fanclub tho
21:30	* PilzAdam	is famous
21:30	PilzAdam	:D
21:31	Peacock	can people connect to minetest through proxies?
21:31	PilzAdam	why not?
21:31	Peacock	didn't know you could with udp
21:32	Peacock	i ban other players and magically Guests login two seconds later lol
21:33	nalkri	You can proxy anythingg
21:33	nalkri	*anything
21:33	nalkri	If the proxy is willing
21:34	Peacock	i have a hard time setting it up for browsers lol
21:34	Peacock	since the ubuntu forum hack..
21:34	nalkri	s/You/One/
21:34	Peacock	i wouldn't touch TOR with a 20ft yardstick lol
21:34	Peacock	govt's watch that shit
21:34	Peacock	more than regular traffic
21:35	PilzAdam	Jordach, paranoid?
21:35	nalkri	TOR connected to trusted hidden services isn't totally horrible
21:35	Peacock	besides do you cops knocking at your door because ppl use it to buy dope or CP
21:35	Peacock	*do you want
21:35	Jordach	PilzAdam, i used the secret code so that griefers cant see a technique
21:36	Peacock	i use hi freq sounds to annoy griefers into quitting lol
21:40	Jordach	lol
21:40	Jordach	isnt that torture
21:41	Peacock	probably but so is fixing spawn lol
21:42	Peacock	thinking of making spawn this round room with grate flooring and lava basement
21:42	Peacock	grief that and die lol
21:42	Jordach	Peacock, banning lava
21:42	Jordach	grief the spawn and touch the lava = ban
21:42	Peacock	i already removed all the liquids from creative
21:42	Jordach	includes other players
21:43	Peacock	i give it to ppl manually if i trust them
21:44	Peacock	havent given anyone multinode access yet, could fuck things up seriously lol
21:44	Jordach	no one knows how to use multinode
21:45	Peacock	its pure GUI by now
21:45	Peacock	like, in the inventory
21:45	Peacock	the node it uses is the 1st one in your inv
21:45	Peacock	the inv itself sticks the newest at the front instead of end
21:46	Peacock	otherwise your constatly moving stuff from end to first 8
21:50	Peacock	any resemblance? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Tour_de_la_Bourse_Montreal.jpg ---> http://s8.postimg.org/pbeewx1md/screenshot_384963682.jpg
21:51	nalkri	The first one looks like a cheap knockoff of the second
21:51	Peacock	which ones the cheap one? lol
21:51	Peacock	the real or the voxel
21:51	nalkri	The one with the round tower next to it is better
21:52	nalkri	I think the other one is a copy
21:52	Peacock	allright then im doing good :-) thanks
21:52	nalkri	It was a slightly tongue in cheek comment, but a real compliment :)
21:53	Peacock	a touch of my hometown :p
21:54	nalkri	I think I'd recognise it if I'd seen the original
21:54	nalkri	Which is probably the main thing
21:54	Peacock	the first img is the original?
21:55	nalkri	I mean if I'd seen the building
21:55	nalkri	And was wandering around Minetest and saw your building
21:56	Peacock	unfortunately i dont know of any other montrealers who play MT :/
21:56	Peacock	i also lived in Toronto for ten years, i know of one player from around there
21:56	Jordach	i know three norfolk people on the internet
21:56	Jordach	and all three play minetest
21:57	Peacock	i should do the CN tower next :-)
22:05	Peacock	dang stack overflow, too many builders building lol
22:16	frogcrush	Hi, does anyone know why my server keeps crashing from the following error: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error running function 'on_step': /usr/share/minetest/builtin/deprecated.lua:41: bad argument #6 to 'func' (string expected, got no value)
22:16	frogcrush	?
22:16	Peacock	thats a weird one :/
22:17	Peacock	what version mT?
22:17	frogcrush	0.4.7
22:17	frogcrush	On Arch Linux, from the Community repo
22:18	Menche	wow, didn't notice minetest was in community!
22:18	Peacock	what is argument #6?
22:18	PilzAdam	frogcrush, what mods do you have?
22:18	Jordach	http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/ac-cf-10pm/
22:18	Jordach	chilled night music :P
22:18	frogcrush	animals boats farmingplus fishing locked_sign money moreores noncubic pipeworks player_radar technic weather
22:18	frogcrush	betterhud classes firearms homedecor mesecons moreblocks moretrees oil plantlife sea unifieddyes
22:19	* Jordach	realised we can spam as we please; shadowbot aint here
22:19	Peacock	hard to find the error among that lol but one of the mods is using deprecated function
22:19	frogcrush	lol, time for some trial and error, I guess
22:19	Peacock	and not the right way (tm)
22:19	PilzAdam	frogcrush, replace all "minetest.env:" with "minetest." in that mods, then you get a proper backtrace
22:20	Jordach	five bucks it's the oil mod
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22:20	Peacock	makes you wish lua had variable variable names lol
22:21	Peacock	can you do minetest.env = minetest ?
22:23	frogcrush	Jordach: +1 to you, it was the oil mod
22:23	PilzAdam	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6091
22:23	Jordach	boom, five bucks
22:23	Peacock	oil mod? thats ancient yeah lol
22:24	Peacock	might as well just define oil liquid and use pipeworks
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22:27	hdastwb	RBA, what are your thoughts on this: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/pull/65 ?
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23:14	Jordach	wtf
23:14	Jordach	serious wtf
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23:14	Jordach	closed FL Studio, reopened it, the sounds i made in the last audio buffer have returned
23:15	Jordach	oh, vlc was still going
23:32	Jordach	-NickServ- Jordach_!~Jordachhost86-165-180-60.range86-165.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (jordach) -- er what
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23:36	PilzAdam	Jordach, someone got your password?
23:36	Jordach	PilzAdam, that's my ip
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23:57	PilzAdam	bye

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