Time Nick Message 00:00 DanDuncombe https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4877 The mod page 00:00 sokomine a travelnet-box. they look like an old german telephone-booth and allow you to teleport to a list of targets 00:01 sea-theorem Is there any way to calculate how far below the surface I am? 00:01 sea-theorem Is there even a notion of 'surface'? 00:01 VanessaE actually american telephone booths used to look similar, too 00:01 sokomine press f5 00:01 DanDuncombe Yes, press f5 00:02 sokomine second coordinate is depth/height 00:02 DanDuncombe And is the 'y' value 00:02 sokomine 0 may be considered the surface. unless there's a hill or mountain there :-) 00:03 sea-theorem Hmm, -7.5, okay, this doesn't help though. What's the scale? 00:03 sea-theorem How many blocks per unit in the coordinates? 00:04 Exio4 1 00:04 sea-theorem Then I should be pretty near to the surface! I dig upwards! 00:04 DanDuncombe so -7.5 means your are 7.5 nodes below sea level 00:05 DanDuncombe Soyou are probably more like 30 nodes below ground. 00:05 sea-theorem Ah, and my final pick is about to give out, I ran out of torches ages ago. I'm going to die. I'm buried alive. 00:06 Exio4 DanDuncombe: uhmm 00:07 sea-theorem Woohoo, the surface! I'm alive! and it's night-time outside, fascinating. 00:08 Exio4 haha 00:16 sea-theorem I'm impressed by the scale of the things here. There's a mountain or something that's more than 100 units wide 00:28 bas080 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_149694384.png 00:28 sea-theorem The game seems to have generated here what looks very much like a fjord 00:31 bas080 dwFirst thing i made is a password secured door with luacontroller, lcd screen and keyboard 00:31 bas080 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_149898461.png 00:32 sokomine you might also use my shared locked doors from my locks mod. they support passwords :-) (but i suppose doing it with a luacontroller was more fun) 00:34 bas080 sokomine, it was and now we all have a new digiline device. Just have to get it pulled to digilines, that might take a while. 00:35 sokomine ah, fine. have to look into digiline eventually. that mod does sound very intresting. normal mesecons is too low-level for me (usually don't want to build with it) 00:42 Arkmabat Could I use the latter code to make a magic beanstalk? 00:42 Arkmabat Ladder I mean 00:44 Arkmabat I think it would be cool to have magic beans that grow a beanstalk, sort of like a nether portal but into a cloud world 00:46 Kacey that would be... 00:46 bas080 https://github.com/bas080/minetest-mod-digilines 00:47 bas080 Arkmabat, have you watched a certain movie recently? 00:47 Arkmabat I work at a daycare... 00:48 Arkmabat :D 00:49 Arkmabat Could I mod a ladder to look like a beanstalk 00:51 bas080 yes 00:51 bas080 you can Arkmabat 00:52 bas080 I'm sure your creative having to handle all those children 00:53 Arkmabat No no no.jack and the beanstalk is a classic 00:55 sea-theorem sokomine: So, I've built a castle in the middle of a fjord surrounded by mountains and forests. Now what? It would be nice to have some animals or things running around, the world doesn't seem to change unless I ask it to 01:30 JesseH Can someone point me in the direction of a good server? :-) 01:30 VanessaE sure, play on mine :D 01:30 Pentium44 hehe 01:30 Pentium44 haha 01:30 JesseH Pentium44, sup 01:31 Pentium44 JesseH Mine 01:31 Pentium44 play on mine :p 01:31 JesseH You have one? 01:31 Pentium44 yes 01:31 Pentium44 just to lazy to host it lol 01:31 JesseH Oh sick I can test meh mods on your server now >:) 01:31 JesseH host foo 01:31 VanessaE JesseH: vanessae.mine.bz:30000 (you need a git build no older than July 20) 01:31 Pentium44 hehe 01:31 JesseH so much work D: 01:32 bas080 JesseH, VanessaE's server is a very extensive one. You can do allot especially because it's creative 01:32 JesseH VanessaE, You got mods and such? 01:32 JesseH Ah I see 01:32 bas080 Many mod! 01:32 JesseH Let me build and ill be on in a minute 01:32 VanessaE do I have mods. 01:32 VanessaE hoo boy 01:33 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4057 01:33 VanessaE see for yourself ;) 01:33 Pentium44 lol 01:33 Pentium44 I have played on Vanessa's Server 01:33 Pentium44 holy damn 01:34 Pentium44 talk about a long first load :D 01:34 JesseH better than minecraft would you say? :P 01:34 JesseH oh nvm :P 01:34 JesseH i have slow internet 01:34 Pentium44 Jesseh speed? 01:34 Pentium44 I can tell you about how long it would take 01:35 Pentium44 it takes about 5 minutes on my speed 01:35 Pentium44 160 kbps 01:35 bas080 JesseH, good question! Yes it's better! 01:35 Pentium44 haha YES 01:36 JesseH i get like 80kbs 01:36 bas080 I haven't been on servers for a while. Checking out VanessaE's server 01:36 bas080 media... 01:37 JesseH I keep trying to get into minetest but it is normally not a very enjoyable experience. 01:37 JesseH I would complain about it but then the trolls would be unleashed :P 01:37 JesseH "ITS BETTER THAN MINECRAFT C++ YES JAVA BOO" 01:38 JesseH "YOU CAN MOD IT WITH Lua AS A MATTER OF FACT I JUST LEARNDED HTML AND I WANTS TO MOD AND Lua IS COOL 01:38 * JesseH might have just offended someone. Sorry 01:38 Pentium44 YOU OFFENDED ME 01:38 Pentium44 jk jk 01:38 bas080 JesseH, do you want to mod? 01:39 Pentium44 JesseH can mod 01:39 Pentium44 he is a lua type person 01:39 bas080 you can complain but you can also change the things that you complain about. It's harder but in the end satisfactory 01:39 JesseH bas080, That is a very good point 01:40 JesseH Honestly though, my only complaints was that on the couple servers I tried I was lagging, and it was just, ... hmm not sure how to explain 01:40 JesseH It gave me that "ouch this game is so laggy" feeling 01:40 bas080 just saying, if you really like games... why not 01:40 bas080 yeah 01:40 bas080 i get your point... in that case you should consult your ISP :P 01:41 bas080 or home network 01:41 bas080 or both! 01:41 JesseH hmm, perhaps I should call and ask why we pay 80 dollars a month and get shit internet :P 01:42 bas080 JesseH, Maybe it can help 01:43 bas080 But i would first make sure the home network is as best as can be before you start pointing the finger 01:43 PilzAdam bye 01:46 JesseH o/ 02:15 sokomine sea-theorem: install mobf and disable the hostile animals :-) 02:15 sokomine then you can have sheep, deer, cows, ostrichs, fishes, chickens, seagulls etc. roam around your world 02:16 sokomine you can even catch them with a lasso and place them where you want to have them 02:16 sokomine and breeding is possible as well. it's a very nice mod for singleplayer 02:19 sokomine jesseh: which country/continent do you live in? perhaps it will help if you pick a server not on the other side of the world 02:21 sea-theorem sokomine: What I'd like is an animal that alters the world 02:21 sea-theorem Say, a sheep that digs and builds things, and so on 02:21 sea-theorem Anyway, I'm looking into the rules of various things that I've found. Water is counter-intuitive 02:22 sokomine hmm. sheep are not known for altering the world. except through overgrazing in the long term 02:23 sokomine perhaps you'd like my random_buildings mod. that has lumberjacks that spawn with their houses. they don't alter the world either - they just have their houses, stand there and wait for you to trade wood 02:24 sokomine there are also several naturre-related mods that alter the world to some degree, depending on what you want 02:25 sokomine there's 4seasons (turns the world into autum, with leaves and grass becomming more colorful, and then winter, and then spring and summer); or the bees and candles mod that adds beehives 02:25 sokomine or, another direction: metor impacts, landslides, vulcanoes 02:26 sokomine though you probably won't want them in your building world 02:26 sokomine farming and farming_plus are also nice to have 02:26 sea-theorem I'm experimenting with building a computer now, that seems to be the fashionable thing to do in mine* games. 02:27 sokomine ah, mesecons. yes, that's popular as well 02:27 sokomine carts also exists 02:27 sea-theorem I'm using lava and bricks 02:27 sea-theorem I suspect that the lava is turing universal 02:28 sea-theorem 'cobblestone' bricks, specifically 02:28 sokomine lava :-( don't like that much 02:28 sea-theorem I could try water, but it acts in such a strange, counter-intuitive way 02:29 sea-theorem I tried to drain an ocean and ended up filling a cave with a trickle of water, it was bizarre 02:32 sea-theorem I have a nand gate! :3 02:36 sea-theorem Is there any way to make lava flow /uphill/ by any chance? 02:40 hdastwb pipeworks? 02:45 VanessaE pipeworks should be able to move lava, as nodes/items via nodebreakers/deployers 02:45 VanessaE never tried it though 02:45 VanessaE bbl 02:47 hdastwb I read water into that question for some reason… 02:57 sea-theorem minetest is horrible at liquids, they don't act like liquids at all 02:58 sea-theorem The lava stops flowing and just sits there with a slanted surface. Water does the same thing 02:58 sokomine hm, that's something one might expect to hear from a player that calls himshelf sea-theorem :-) 02:58 sokomine you can change the behaviour of some liquits from finite to non finite, but i havn't experimented with it yet 04:29 jojoa1997 Yo 04:31 Pentium44 Yo yo 04:38 sokomine anyone there? 04:42 jojoa1997 I am 04:42 jojoa1997 Test 05:04 PenguinDad Hi meldrian. 05:05 meldrian hellow 05:11 Peacock lets see griefers get past this [img]http://s12.postimg.org/7tlt8nnwd/screenshot_149751802.jpg[/img] 05:11 Peacock oups lol 05:12 OldCoder VanessaE, Hi 05:12 OldCoder VanessaE, PM 05:13 Peacock AM actually on east coast :p 05:27 khonkhortisan what's that pointy thing? 05:28 Peacock the spindly pointy thing? 05:29 Peacock should be a base though it's only got a shaft/ladder right now 05:29 khonkhortisan looks like it belongs in space 05:29 Peacock does kinda look like a cylon basestar lol 05:30 khonkhortisan yeah 05:30 Peacock it was that or a squircle lol 05:39 OldCoder Peacock, true but context matters 05:39 OldCoder Pentium44, hey 05:39 * OldCoder is asleep Zzz 05:39 OldCoder Oh and tell Pilzadam this: 05:39 OldCoder 05:39 OldCoder ^ paragraph separator :P 05:43 Pentium44 hehe 05:43 Pentium44 OldCoder hi 05:49 OldCoder 05:53 Peacock tell him what? lol 05:54 Peacock anyways, i read the 'slots' thread in general, and i thought, "does this guy ever get layed?" :p 05:55 Peacock momma always said, if you ain't got anything nice to say...:-) 06:03 leo_rockway https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6657 <--- this thread made me laugh. 06:04 leo_rockway I'm pretty sure the guy doesn't know what he did 06:04 Peacock i cant tell of the OP is being serious in his replies lol 06:06 leo_rockway somebody linked him to some sort of guide in another thread. I think the guide uses Hamachi or something similar... 06:06 leo_rockway I'm pretty sure he's just very confused and he actually thinks localhost is his public IP. 06:07 Peacock he wouldn't be the first lol 06:10 Peacock i thought of a way of dealing with griefers: i dl'ed a bunch of hi-freq sounds, played to the griefer directly, on gain=15 hehe 06:11 Peacock it can reduce a grown man to tears lol 06:12 leo_rockway I didn't think I'd have to deal with griefers on my obscure server... but apparently a server where no more than a person connects at a time still attracts idiots. 06:12 leo_rockway I disabled default interact. 06:13 Peacock i dont like doing that because then you have to aprove everyone 06:13 Peacock and the griefers still grief afterwards lol 06:13 Peacock but if you blow their eardrums/speakers, i doubt they'd come back as Guest #### 06:14 leo_rockway nobody has really asked interact since. I'm not very popular o.o 06:14 leo_rockway it's supposed to be mostly Spanish speaking people, but there are like 3 or 4 players. 06:14 Peacock i get a lot of spanish/portuguese too 06:14 Peacock i can only sortof understand but i can't answer them 06:15 leo_rockway perhaps if I make it show up in the list of public servers... but this server really can't scale much more 06:15 leo_rockway so if 25 people decided to join, it would collapse 06:15 Peacock how many mods? 06:15 leo_rockway many o.o 06:15 Peacock im on public and i get max 6 people 06:15 Peacock and of those 6, 2 will get banned for fucking around lol 06:16 leo_rockway I have like 20 mods. IDK how many still apply, though. I hadn't been updating the server in months and I finally did that a few days ago... 06:16 leo_rockway but some of those mods are now in main, like farming. 06:16 Peacock thats actually not so bad 06:16 Peacock i know people, black jesus they get alot of shit running lol 06:17 Peacock course we got heatwaves here so i gotta keep the load reasonable on the CPUs 06:18 Peacock plus i dont got money coming out of my ass for RAM and parts 06:19 leo_rockway this server is my friend's. He does get free parts mostly. His dad works for companies that sometimes get rid of hardware. 06:19 Peacock the parts must be 1 or 2 years old though? 06:22 leo_rockway yes 06:22 leo_rockway it's good enough for what we use it for o.o 06:23 Peacock yeah i mean some people run servers off laptops 06:23 leo_rockway I have MT, he has MC. We have XMPP, 3 low traffic blogs, etherpad, ethercalc, owncloud, friendica, pump.io, status.net... 06:23 leo_rockway pretty much everything except email, because it's dynamic IP. 06:24 Peacock jesus lol 06:25 Peacock i try to stick to 1 server per box, regardless of what kind 06:25 Pentium44 damn :p 06:25 Pentium44 i thought I was bad when it comes to running a lot of stuff 06:26 leo_rockway Pentium44: none of it has a lot of traffic, though. It's mostly just a group of 3 people. 06:34 Peacock rba and taoki, time to get happy hour started :D 06:34 RealBadAngel hi 06:35 Peacock howdy 06:35 RealBadAngel what happy hour? 06:35 Peacock lol just kidding, way past hours here 06:38 Pentium44 ahh 06:39 Pentium44 leo_rockway I see 06:39 Pentium44 I normally host like 4 minetest servers and put a load like hell on processors :0 06:39 Pentium44 ;) 06:42 Peacock why do people use chests on creative servers? *memeface* 06:43 Peacock its not like anyone has any reason to steal their shit lol 06:48 RealBadAngel there are folks that play survival on such servers 06:48 RealBadAngel they just dont use free stuff option 06:49 Peacock even without a craft grid? 06:49 Peacock (or crafts for that matter) 06:50 RealBadAngel ? hows crafting related to creative? 06:51 Peacock well if they dont use the free stuff, they must be crafting? 06:51 RealBadAngel ofc 07:03 GNADev|zRokh aye doods <:) 07:03 GNADev|zRokh how ya guys been? 07:04 Peacock are you one of the hookers we ordered? 07:04 Peacock take off your top 07:04 GNADev|zRokh shut up or i will ask for a kick! 07:04 GNADev|zRokh it is NOT funny! 07:04 GNADev|zRokh At all 07:04 Peacock lol 07:05 Peacock go 'head im off to bed :p 07:05 GNADev|zRokh no srsly dood, grow up 07:05 GNADev|zRokh k bye 07:06 Peacock lighten up or gtfo the internet :p 07:06 GNADev|zRokh aye VanessaE 07:06 GNADev|zRokh .-. 07:06 GNADev|zRokh how ya been 07:08 GNADev|zRokh anybody? 07:10 GNADev|zRokh hi MinetestBot 07:10 MinetestBot sup GNADev|zRokh 07:10 GNADev|zRokh nuff'n much... how about you, MinetestBot? 07:10 GNADev|zRokh .-. 07:15 GNADev|zRokh aye khor 07:15 GNADev|zRokh how ya been 07:15 GNADev|zRokh biggums .-. 07:17 khor it's a joke? 07:20 GNADev|zRokh nah dood! 07:20 GNADev|zRokh dunz ya know what biggums is? 07:20 GNADev|zRokh biggums == friend 07:20 GNADev|zRokh dood == dude 07:20 GNADev|zRokh aye == hey 07:21 GNADev|zRokh i speak in Bacca 07:21 GNADev|zRokh .-. 07:21 GNADev|zRokh Exio4 07:21 GNADev|zRokh are you a boy or a girkl .-. 07:21 GNADev|zRokh girl* 07:22 GNADev|zRokh i bet your a boy .-. 07:22 GNADev|zRokh i need to know because idk what to put you as on the forum :D 07:22 GNADev|zRokh "... Exio4, when he..." thats what i will have for now :D 07:26 GNADev|zRokh khor did you see what i wrote? 07:30 khor yes, I'm a boy! 07:31 khor I'm fine 07:39 GNADev|zRokh aye dood, ya wanna have a Fast-Code Competition? 07:39 GNADev|zRokh .-. 07:39 GNADev|zRokh khor 07:39 GNADev|zRokh jin_xi 07:40 GNADev|zRokh ya wanna join? 07:43 GNADev|zRokh khor and jin_xi 07:43 GNADev|zRokh ya wanna join? 07:43 GNADev|zRokh http://gnadev.hj.cx/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2&sid=c38d2ae8ccb7f09ed7b1ffb2892f9600 08:06 GNADev|zRokh hi nalkri 08:06 GNADev|zRokh you wanna do a fast-code competition? 08:06 nalkri Good morning comrade GNADev|zRokh 08:06 nalkri I don't know, what would be the terms of such a duel? 08:07 GNADev|zRokh http://gnadev.hj.cx/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2&sid=c38d2ae8ccb7f09ed7b1ffb2892f9600 08:07 GNADev|zRokh one 08:07 GNADev|zRokh step 08:07 GNADev|zRokh ahead 08:07 nalkri That's the metaterms :p 08:07 nalkri That's the terms for defining valid terms for the contest 08:07 nalkri And to be honest, I need coffee before I touch code 08:08 GNADev|zRokh ok dood :D 08:08 GNADev|zRokh but what if we do something simple? 08:08 GNADev|zRokh .-. 08:08 nalkri I'm not a hacker mate 08:08 GNADev|zRokh :D 08:08 nalkri I'm at best a dilitante 08:09 GNADev|zRokh define: dilitante 08:09 nalkri And I really do need coffee, BRB 08:09 GNADev|zRokh k dood :D 08:09 nalkri Someone who dips into a field(or many fields) 08:09 nalkri But never gets real expertise 08:10 GNADev|zRokh oh ok 08:35 PenguinDad GNADev|zRokh: maybe proller is interested. 08:36 GNADev|zRokh proller 08:36 GNADev|zRokh where are you? 08:36 GNADev|zRokh .-. 08:42 GNADev|zRokh oh forget it...gonna play some MC :D 08:42 GNADev|zRokh plz dunz tell MT that im having an affair... 08:42 GNADev|zRokh o.o 08:42 GNADev|zRokh k bye 08:43 proller moo 08:44 reactor Hey. 08:44 reactor Has anyone built minetest for system-side installation? 08:45 reactor I think it's broken. 08:45 Calinou I never do 08:46 reactor Despite -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0, it builds with sharedir and other things as ".." 08:49 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Sweet Child O' Mine Day! :-D 08:49 reactor ? 08:50 reactor Mowing. 08:51 JamesTait daysoftheyear.com has Hot Dog Day, which I thought was rubbish, so I trawled the archives and apparently Guns 'n' Roses launched Sweet Child O' Mine on this day in 1988. 08:51 reactor Oh. 09:05 JamesTait reactor, this has been debated to death elsewhere, so take it with a pinch of salt. 09:06 JamesTait reactor, I thought since it's on the internet it must be true. Right? ;) 09:07 reactor Which one? 09:09 Calinou "I thought since it's on the internet it must be true." if only 09:09 reactor You confuse the hell out of me. 09:10 Calinou we're all linux users here 09:12 RealBadAngel tell that to nekogloop ;) 09:12 Zeg9 Hello ! 09:13 Calinou hi 09:14 * john_minetest puts Tootsie Flute on Calinou's head 09:14 reactor Are all depends required for linking, or just for runtime? 09:14 * Calinou throws Tootsie Flute on reactor's head 09:15 * reactor sparks 09:15 reactor Error rading /dev/ra1a: drive offline. 09:15 reactor s/rad/read/ 09:16 reactor Not Windows. 09:16 reactor Mk. 09:16 MasterBot hello 09:16 reactor yes, but are these runtime or build depends? 09:17 MasterBot I am going to finish the hotel i started as soon as i've scanned in the plans 09:17 MasterBot Anyone with me? 09:17 reactor Hotel Polissya, Pripyat? 09:18 reactor I've done its external view a long ago, in Minecraft. 09:19 reactor By the way. Is worldedit functional enough now? 09:19 MasterBot Yep 09:19 * john_minetest is in 3 IRC networks on 4 channels. 09:20 Calinou 6 networks 41 channels 09:20 reactor Good. 09:20 Zeg9 How can one upload to "modpictures" (for mmdb)? 09:20 reactor john_minetest: so, can it be used for in-game map development now? 09:21 Calinou it's more functional than BSD 09:21 * Calinou runs 09:21 * reactor sticks a fork into Calinou's head 09:21 reactor john_minetest: at least drawing buildings efficiently 09:21 reactor john_minetest: I haven't seen landscaping in Minecraft's WE . 09:22 reactor john_minetest: I wonder what can do the landscaping, though. 09:22 reactor Also, I don't remember who wrote the script for converting minecraft maps into schemes. 09:22 reactor One of the coordinates is reversed. 09:22 reactor good 09:23 reactor Is there a workaround for the problem? 09:23 reactor not worledit 09:24 reactor the filter for mcedit that makes worledit schemes 09:26 reactor Even on the screenshot. 09:26 GNADev|zRokh aye doods 09:26 GNADev|zRokh im back 09:26 reactor Notice the building before the converting, and after pasting it. 09:26 GNADev|zRokh 1.6.2 is downloading... 09:26 Calinou we know you're ragnar, GNADev|zRokh 09:26 reactor Has someone cracked 1.6.2 yet? 09:27 Calinou >minecraft >not being h4xored 09:27 reactor s/someone/anyone/ 09:27 GNADev|zRokh i know you know that 09:27 GNADev|zRokh hi yeah! 09:28 GNADev|zRokh reactor, Minecraft 1.6.2 09:28 reactor GNADev|zRokh: I know, I know. 09:28 reactor Has anyone cracked it? 09:28 GNADev|zRokh what do you mean? 09:28 GNADev|zRokh i have an account 09:28 GNADev|zRokh .-. 09:28 GNADev|zRokh i mean my FRIEND has an account :D 09:29 reactor Aight. 09:29 GNADev|zRokh he started it, kinda... 09:29 Calinou john_minetest: everypony* 09:29 GNADev|zRokh but sorry, blame it on me! 09:29 Calinou lol asking in #minecraft about that 09:29 GNADev|zRokh <3 09:29 GNADev|zRokh OMG 09:29 GNADev|zRokh 1.6.2 is done 09:29 GNADev|zRokh wait... 09:29 GNADev|zRokh reactor, PM? 09:30 reactor GNADev|zRokh: that's enough for me to know, thank you. 09:31 GNADev|zRokh bye biggums :D 09:31 GNADev|zRokh see ya today OR in a week :D 09:40 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 09:40 Calinou hi 09:41 reactor hell.o 09:41 MasterBot Hello PilzAdam! 09:59 RealBadAngel hi 10:11 PilzAdam john_minetest, I got KSP running on Linux :D 10:11 Calinou isn't it native? 10:11 PilzAdam yes 10:12 Calinou then it's easy 10:12 Calinou also got dota 2 working under linux, it's just a matter of "install" and "run" :p 10:34 MasterBot I got minetest running on linux 10:36 MasterBot Anyone here in England who saw the storm? 10:37 nalkri Not I 10:37 nalkri More's the pity, I could do with some rain 10:57 Zeg9 damn PLC 11:01 pandaro hi RealBadAngel 11:01 pandaro i have a little question about facedir 11:01 pandaro http://pastebin.com/gwXi34fy 11:01 reactor CUSTOM_SHAREDIR doesn't work. 11:02 reactor Anyone interested in becoming a NetBSD package maintainer? Because I think it's beyond my knowledge to handle it. 11:02 RealBadAngel pandaro, later, im leaving off to work now 11:02 RealBadAngel i will be back in 9 hours 11:02 pandaro no problem 11:19 VanessaE good morning all 11:20 Calinou hi 11:20 PilzAdam john_minetest, I dont plan to buy it 11:21 PilzAdam I just returned from a perfect orbit at 1000km 11:28 PilzAdam I already watched another one 11:28 PilzAdam currently I watch one that explains how to get on the mon 11:38 Calinou john_minetest: PilzAdam: wolfgame? :p 11:49 PenguinDad When does thexyz come back? 11:49 Calinou when half life 3 is released, PenguinDad 11:52 PenguinDad that don't help me because I don't know anything about this game 12:00 nalkri Real Soon Noow™ 12:04 PenguinDad !c 42*-1 / (e^(i*Pi)) 12:04 MinetestBot 42 12:04 nalkri Is MinetestBot a phenny? 12:05 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 12:06 nalkri !c the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything 12:06 MinetestBot 42 12:06 nalkri Gotta get the quote right :p 12:06 PenguinDad !c the answer to the life, the universe and everything 12:06 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 12:06 nalkri The point is that the question is unknown 12:07 nalkri And indeed cannot be known now that the answer is 12:29 PenguinDad ping : thexyz 12:34 thexyz shitnode 12:36 Calinou !title 12:36 MinetestBot Calinou: Chris Hadfield and Barenaked Ladies: I.S.S. (Is Somebody Singing) - YouTube 12:37 * Calinou brohooves MinetestBot 12:39 PenguinDad thexyz: I need to talk with you. 13:10 jojoa1997 hello 13:11 VanessaE hi 13:12 jojoa1997 why was jordan banned 13:12 VanessaE ask him 13:12 jojoa1997 -.-\ 13:13 jojoa1997 VanessaE have you ever thought of hosting a survival server? 13:13 VanessaE every so often but I prefer creative. 13:14 jojoa1997 what about hosting 2 servers or no? 13:14 VanessaE no 13:14 VanessaE don't have the resources for that 13:16 jojoa1997 do you know what the *CDP, *_D_, *__P, __DP means on the server list 13:16 VanessaE not sure 13:16 VanessaE Creative, Damage, not sure what the P is 13:17 MasterBot PvP 13:18 Calinou *password required, Creative, Damage, PvP 13:18 Calinou password required means empty passwords are disallowed 13:24 MasterBot Does anyone know a web-based web-browser? 13:37 GassyBritish Derp 13:37 GassyBritish Hi 13:41 jojoa1997 ello 13:41 jojoa1997 \bbl 13:41 jojoa1997 vvl 13:51 Kacey bbl 13:52 MasterBot Hi 13:52 NyanNyanCat99878 Hi 13:53 NyanNyanCat99878 Where can i get minetest? 13:53 NyanNyanCat99878 i look on minetest.net and it look good 13:53 nalkri NyanNyanCat99878: http://minetest.net/download 13:53 NyanNyanCat99878 Thank you 13:55 NyanNyanCat99878 I have LynxOS 13:55 nalkri I've not heard of anyone using Minetest on LynxOS 13:55 NyanNyanCat99878 well i intend to 13:56 nalkri I'm just saying I can't advise 13:56 NyanNyanCat99878 Would it be better if i switch to KolibriOS ? 13:57 nalkri I don't know that 13:57 Exio4 try to get irrlicht workin' 13:59 NyanNyanCat99878 ... 14:00 NyanNyanCat99879 ... 14:00 MasterBot This is might peculiar 14:00 MasterBot *mighty 14:00 MasterBot I am going to try and instal KolibriOS -- It looks nice :) 14:05 thexyz john_minetest: that's not ddos 14:06 thexyz 14:21 -kloeri- (~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) [Server Notice] Hi all. Hobana.freenode.net is moving to new hardware roughly 30 minutes from now so there's going to be a brief outage while we shuffle things around. Reconnecting to chat.freenode.net will make sure you don't get hit by the outage. Thank you for using freenode. 14:58 Jordach i have an even bigger monitor now :) 14:58 Jordach 21" 14:58 Jordach instead of 19" 15:14 rubenwardy Hi all 15:15 arsdragonfly hi 15:20 rubenwardy_ !seen kaeza 15:20 MinetestBot rubenwardy_: Sorry, I haven't seen kaeza around. 15:25 rubenwardy Can someone check to see if cmake works in linux? https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator 15:32 Jordach nalkri, hexchat was having random crashes 15:32 Jordach it was caused by a strange resolution: 16:10 15:32 nalkri Ah 15:32 rubenwardy Can someone check to see if cmake works in linux? https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator 15:32 nalkri Sorry, my answer seemed amusing to you and I hoped it was to you too 15:33 Jordach which since i got an even bigger monitor, hexchat is more crashy 15:38 BrandonReese rubenwardy, cmake seemed to run fine, but it wouldn't compile 15:39 rubenwardy ? 15:39 rubenwardy What does it say? 15:40 BrandonReese oops closed the terminal let me do it again 15:43 sudi rubenwardy: what is that programm doing? 15:43 rubenwardy It is a nodebox editor 15:43 rubenwardy Just did a massive release 15:43 rubenwardy 2 weeks of work 15:44 sudi not really sure what a nodebox is 15:45 BrandonReese http://pastebin.com/iAy6YfDu 15:45 BrandonReese rubenwardy - compile error ^ maybe I'm doing something wrong... 15:46 rubenwardy interesting 15:46 rubenwardy I will have to go into linux to fix it myself 15:46 sea-theorem What's that? 15:47 sudi rubenwardy: oh wow 15:47 sudi that is really bad what you are doing there 15:47 sudi dont call another constructor 15:47 sudi use a init method 15:47 rubenwardy yeah 15:48 sudi that should fix the error btw 15:48 rubenwardy I meant to change that 15:48 sudi in linux 15:48 sudi besides in the destructor 15:48 sudi why are you not using some kind of smart pointer 15:49 sudi if you are deleting the nodes anyway 15:49 sudi besides that having direct access to a pointer array 15:49 sudi from outside of the class when the class should manage the memory 15:50 sudi interesting choice 15:51 rubenwardy ? 15:52 rubenwardy is it 15:52 rubenwardy Project(io::path file) 15:52 rubenwardy :Project() 15:52 rubenwardy or 15:52 rubenwardy Project(io::path file) 15:52 rubenwardy :Project::Project() 15:53 sea-theorem I got it to compile 15:53 sudi both is bad 15:53 sudi don't do that 15:53 sudi .... 15:53 sudi what you could do 15:53 sudi new(this) Project(); 15:53 sudi but thats bad as well 15:53 sudi ^^ 15:53 sea-theorem god sudi, leave them alone. Write your own code 15:55 sudi rubenwardy: or if you use c++11 you can use the init list. 15:55 sudi Project(path file) : Project() {} 15:56 rubenwardy Project(io::path file) 15:56 rubenwardy :Project() 15:56 rubenwardy which is what I said 15:56 sudi ok if that is what it meant 15:56 sudi then yes 15:57 Exio4 does anyone know a realistic driving game? 15:58 sudi sea-theorem: what 15:58 Exio4 :( i guess no 15:58 nalkri If you want realistic, look for sims not games 15:58 NakedFury Exio4: http://www.moddb.com/games/traction-wars 15:59 Exio4 i don't really want to kill people in a game, for first time 16:00 Exio4 hi Calinou 16:00 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101653#p101653 16:00 Calinou hi 16:00 Calinou "Because of the amount of changes I have made, I have skipped a few versions." you should work at mozilla :P 16:01 rubenwardy lol 16:04 Peacock ?? 08:02:50: ERROR[main]: WARNING: updateListener: invalid value 16:05 Peacock position said : inf, 12,-250K lol 16:11 sea-theorem Hmm, there's a problem here. 16:11 sea-theorem I think that the rabbit is about to do something very silly 16:12 Peacock the weirdest bug yet, debugs' just as helpful lol 16:19 Jordach rubenwardy, http://i.imgur.com/Hst4Ilg.png 16:20 Calinou this bug was brought to you by: nvidia 16:20 * Calinou runs 16:20 rubenwardy because it is a cg build 16:20 Calinou talking about that, OpenGL 4.4 was released yesterday, and nvidia already supports it in a beta driver. :D 16:20 Peacock how does that happen? 16:20 Calinou and AMD just started doing 3.3 16:20 Calinou 4.3* 16:21 Peacock ill check that out when i switch this box to CB 16:21 Peacock though this never used to happen with 0.4.4 or 0.4.5 16:21 Jordach rubenwardy, not everyone is opengl 4.4 16:21 Calinou that had nothing to do with your problem Jordach 16:21 Calinou I was just saying ;) 16:23 Jordach rubenwardy, why are you using fucking CG 16:23 rubenwardy I built irrlicht with CG shader support, and I forget to use standard irrlicht for the nb generator 16:23 Calinou Jordach: you should have been playing StuntRally before 2.1 :P 16:24 Jordach rubenwardy, make a vm or some shit for taht 16:24 Jordach that* 16:24 rubenwardy vm? 16:24 rubenwardy what do you mean VM? 16:25 Jordach virtual machine 16:25 rubenwardy yeah, i know 16:25 rubenwardy but why? 16:25 Jordach always make builds in virtual machines 16:25 rubenwardy why? 16:25 Jordach because everything is usually at default settings 16:26 MasterBot Hello 16:26 MasterBot I am running OpenBox And it is AWESOME 16:26 MasterBot I have a monitor to my left with the server console 16:27 Jordach Jordach.notification_global("Please use a real IRC client dumbass."), 16:27 MasterBot 86.142.63.71:30000 16:27 MasterBot Mark.KissMyAss 16:28 Jordach MasterBot, i can !kick and !ban now 16:30 Jordach !op 16:30 MasterBot So? 16:31 MasterBot You cant kick someone just because you dislike them and in know you are going to do !kick MasterBot Yes i can! now 16:31 Jordach I'm very strict 16:31 Jordach and nope.avi, as that's a waste of key cycles 16:31 Jordach unless you have *actually done an offence* then youre usually fine 16:32 MasterBot I have not offended you as a person, just ran a command :P 16:32 MasterBot And to a non-programmer i insulted myself 16:58 bulldog98 hi guys 16:58 Peacock howdy 16:58 hdastwb hello 16:59 bulldog98 is there a way to dig a hole and make jumpable so that you don’t die from jumping into it? (eg put a water source at the bottem) 16:59 Calinou well you just said it 16:59 hdastwb if you will it with enough water or ladders, it will stop your fall 16:59 Calinou water, ladders, or putting a slab at bottom and holding Sneak key 17:00 bulldog98 a ok is there a formular for how many nodes water I need? 17:00 Calinou not really 17:00 hdastwb *fill 17:00 bulldog98 hm 17:01 bulldog98 ok I’ll test the slab 17:04 bas080 When will this topic be removed? I'm reporting it as offensive overall 17:04 bas080 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101547#p101547 17:07 hdastwb I think PilzAdam should have just asked a moderator to move it to modding general, rather than harassing the poster about putting it in the wrong section 17:07 Calinou why do things well and silently when you can yell about a problem that is solved in less than a minute? 17:07 Calinou (inb4 that's what she said) 17:08 MasterBot lol serves you right PilzAdam 17:08 bas080 Maybe make a category called "drama" 17:09 bas080 so people can talk about emotions and personal experiences 17:10 Calinou bas080: just call it "/b/" 17:10 Calinou works too 17:10 hdastwb they can move the distro wars in there as well 17:10 bulldog98 Calinou: cool with the slab it works thanks :) 17:37 Jordach i just played tetris with a rock band guitar 17:37 Jordach your turn bitches. 17:38 Peacock we built a giant wall to keep bitches out, top that lol 17:38 Jordach bitches = pimps 17:38 Jordach pimps = clothing purchases 17:38 Jordach and cars 17:38 Yepoleb i watched a youtube video with my eyes 17:39 Peacock well our wall's got guard towers, turrets and proximity detectors :p 17:39 Yepoleb your turn, Jordach 17:39 Jordach Yepoleb, //pos1, //pos2, //set air 17:39 Jordach bitch. 17:40 Yepoleb /replace Jordach air 17:40 Peacock lol 17:40 Yepoleb bitch. 17:40 Peacock he got you there jordach 17:42 Jordach Peacock, Yepoleb: /set default_privs = all 17:42 Jordach then let anyone join 17:42 Peacock are you nuts? lol 17:43 Yepoleb why should i do that? 18:12 Peacock pistons what mod is that in? 18:16 Peacock forum search: mesecons, thats pretty heavy 18:16 Peacock realms is slowing my server down already :/ 18:16 Peacock speaking of which, where's jeija? 18:18 Calinou jeija never had a server, no? 18:18 Peacock im not asking about his server, just him :P 18:19 Peacock no posts no pulls in awhile 18:19 Peacock particlespawners are pretty cool, was looking forward to the next thing (whatever it may be) 18:25 hdastwb I would use ghoststone over pistons; they can cover a wider area… 18:25 Peacock was thinking of the new mines mod actually, that looks cool 18:25 Peacock i got dragon's teeth on my server already 18:25 Peacock brb 18:31 Jordach Peacock, Yepoleb: configured the guitar to work with my DAW 18:33 Jordach (Digital Audio Workstation btw) 18:33 Exio4 !deop Jordach 18:34 Exio4 the reason for the op is? :> 18:34 Exio4 btw, is anyone here having a lot of money and doesn't know where put it? i always accept gifts :D 18:34 Calinou buy a quadro K6000, Exio4 18:34 Jordach !deop 18:34 Calinou http://www.hardware.fr/news/13253/nvidia-quadro-k6000-gk110-complet-12-go.html (french) 18:34 Calinou :> 18:34 Jordach !voice Exio4 18:34 Jordach there 18:34 Exio4 <3 18:36 Jordach i also have a companion cube on this desk now 18:36 nalkri Is it a geared Companion Cube? 18:36 Jordach weighted 18:37 nalkri Could be both with a bit of design effort 18:39 Jordach nalkri, it's a papercraft one 18:39 Jordach been sitting on my school desk for 4 years, came home as im leaving my current school this year as im going to college next year :P 18:40 Jordach it now sits under my monitor 18:40 Jordach happily 18:40 nalkri Ah, that's cool :) 18:40 nalkri I was thinking of 3d printing 18:41 Exio4 3d print a mese pick! 18:41 Exio4 http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g27-racing-wheel 18:41 Exio4 i should close that link ;_; 18:45 * Jordach jizzes 18:45 nalkri I need a left handed joystick 18:45 nalkri The modern Cyborg is right handed :( 18:46 nalkri Stupid handed interface devices :( 18:48 leo_rockway they never really make left handed devices. Either neutral or right handed. 18:49 nalkri The old Cyborg was unhanded 18:49 nalkri You could set it up for any hand you had to hand 18:49 leo_rockway I just use neutral stuff 18:50 leo_rockway I never really looked for any left handed stuff. They are probably way more expensive. 18:50 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92666#p92666 18:51 Jordach > edited by tinoesroho 05-06-2025 5:10:15 am) 18:52 Jordach seems legit. 18:58 Exio4 only-in-minetest 18:58 Exio4 where the time i cuestioned! 18:59 Exio4 is * 19:21 Peacock can we share banlists on server threads? 19:21 Calinou no 19:21 Calinou way too easy to abuse 19:22 Peacock thats what i figured :p 19:25 Peacock anyways its as long as my arm :/ 19:41 jojoa1997 hello! 19:41 Calinou hi tablet user :) 19:42 Jordach looks like jojoa1997 needs his medas 19:42 Jordach -a 19:42 jojoa1997 meds? 19:43 * Calinou ubercharges jojoa1997 19:43 jojoa1997 why 19:43 Calinou because 19:45 jojoa1997 why? are you saying i am dependent on meds? cause im not. 19:46 Jordach the meds in question is called minetest 19:46 Peacock minetest is the addiction, not the medication lol 19:47 jojoa1997 yah and also i dont need minetest 19:47 jojoa1997 im not addicted 19:47 * jojoa1997 relizes that is what all addicts say 19:47 jojoa1997 but if you wanna know i am watching youtube and playing my 3ds 19:48 Peacock i do, i made "head" ore, everytime i find one, my wife has to... 19:48 Calinou downvote for using consoles 19:50 Yepoleb hi calinou 19:51 Calinou hi 19:53 jojoa1997 so quiet.. 19:53 jojoa1997 19:53 Jordach jojoa1997, please dont do the extra newline for no reason 19:54 jojoa1997 :) 19:54 Peacock anyone know the max length of ingame chat message so i can code some msg splitting? 19:54 jojoa1997 simple type 123456789123... 19:54 jojoa1997 and count 19:54 Peacock that stops working when you get to ten 19:54 jojoa1997 no 19:54 jojoa1997 123456789123456789 19:54 Peacock 10 is two characters 19:55 jojoa1997 you count all the groups of 10 0-9 19:55 jojoa1997 please look closely 19:55 jojoa1997 0123456789_0123456789 without the _ 19:55 Peacock quicker if i check chat.cpp lol 19:57 Peacock well, it's an s32 19:57 Peacock whatever that is lol 19:57 * Peacock keeps looking 19:58 Exio4 signed 32 bit integer 19:58 Exio4 signed means one bit is used for the sign so 19:59 Exio4 !calc 2^31 19:59 Exio4 !c 2^31 19:59 MinetestBot 2 147 483 648 19:59 Peacock not 2 bil characters tho 20:00 Exio4 i just got an extreme lagspike with huge messages on screen that were about 5000 chars iirc 20:00 Peacock i wish 20:00 Exio4 maybe more, maybe less, never checked the exact number 20:00 Peacock whenever i type something that goes for two lines i segfault 20:00 Calinou lots of chars tend to slow down, especially with freetype 20:00 Calinou Peacock, long chat messages cause segfault, known bug 20:00 Exio4 not in the console, just when having them "on screen" 20:01 Calinou yes 20:01 Exio4 anyone has a backtrace of that bug? 20:01 Peacock so i should override the chat command in builtin and split messages up into chunks of N characters 20:01 Peacock must solve for N lol 20:01 Exio4 are you sure it is a problem in that "side"? 20:01 Peacock i ain't got anything :( debug just gives me 'break" or something like that 20:01 Peacock naw its not a problem in builtin but i can workaround in builtin at least 20:02 Exio4 bt full 20:02 Exio4 Peacock: i mean, server-side? couldn't be the problem sending it? 20:02 Exio4 and local messages are actually predicted, so.. 20:02 Peacock uhm, not sure :/ 20:02 Peacock it crashes right when i press enter 20:02 Peacock terminal gives 'segfault' nothing else 20:03 Exio4 do you see the local message before? 20:03 Peacock may or may not be related: it only happens to the computer running the server, other players dont have any trouble 20:03 Peacock nope chat msg does not appear in terminal 20:05 Exio4 :o only 50 seconds to recompile MT 20:05 Exio4 52* 20:06 Peacock not bad 20:06 Peacock on the P4 i could make dinner while it compiles lol 20:06 Peacock you must have, 2-3 cores? 20:07 Calinou Exio4, 52 seconds? O_o 20:07 Peacock i think in the meantime ill just write a help mod that picks up on keywords and has the server answer common questions 20:07 khor !c 2^64 20:07 MinetestBot 1.84467441 × 10^(19) 20:08 Exio4 Calinou: yeah, 20:08 Exio4 Peacock: "6" cores, bulldozer 6100 20:08 khor !c 10/0 20:08 MinetestBot Sorry, no result. 20:08 Peacock 10/0 = 0 i think? 20:08 khor math error 20:08 Peacock galc says inf 20:08 Exio4 lim(10/0) tends to +inf 20:09 Exio4 i can't reproduce the bug Peacock 20:09 Peacock and you just compiled from latest git? ill have to try on that one then 20:10 Exio4 yes, latest git without freetype nor curl enabled, just because i had that :P 20:10 Peacock you think freetype might be causing it? 20:11 Exio4 no idea 20:11 Calinou it happens with both, iirc 20:11 * Peacock checks builtin 20:13 Peacock ok i could use minetest.register_on_chat_message to break messages up 20:14 Exio4 i wonder why is https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/468 still open? 20:14 Peacock tho i think the 2nd and + slices would appear to come from server 20:15 Exio4 the problem won't get fixed by that though 20:15 Exio4 the chat is predicted and then sent, iirc, if your problem happens before the prediction.. 20:16 Peacock no but ittl prevent my public server from crashing every time i try to help someone lol 20:16 Peacock you lost me at prediction lol 20:16 Calinou --Peacock on QuakeWorld 20:17 Exio4 lol 20:25 Peacock dont play FPS's - tedious games lol 20:26 Exio4 FPS's 20:26 Exio4 what is that 20:26 Peacock first person shooters 20:27 Exio4 i mean the 's 20:27 Peacock unless quakeworld is some online quaker community 20:27 Peacock plural 20:27 Calinou quakeworld is a quake mod that adds client side prediction to quake :P 20:28 Exio4 :O 20:28 Calinou also, FPSes aren't more tedious than minetest 20:28 Exio4 client-side prediction on quake? 20:28 Exio4 that can't be true! 20:28 Peacock well, you can build whatever you want in sandbox games, but there are only so many ways to kill a player in a FPS 20:29 Exio4 you're limited to blocks in minetest and that 20:29 Calinou Exio4, source engine is based on quake, and has (good) client side prediction :p 20:29 Exio4 you're limited to weapons in FPS(s) 20:29 Calinou xonotic is based on darkplaces, but its prediction is worse 20:29 Exio4 Calinou: i mean, the "real" quake :P 20:29 Calinou Exio4, you can have weapons in minetest, firearms mod :P 20:30 Exio4 weapons without client-side prediction? 20:30 Exio4 those aren't weapons 20:30 Peacock yeah but the range of things you can do with blocks and the range of things you can do w/ weapons in FPS... 20:30 Exio4 you can't do much when playing MT unless you use mods like mesecons... 20:30 Exio4 so 20:31 Peacock if mesecons is a must then you've run out of imagination/things to build 20:31 Peacock besides what do computers and calculators have to do with the voxel world concept? (universal argument) :p 20:32 Exio4 exactly 20:33 Peacock if i was gonna do that i'd rather just draw diagrams lol 20:34 Calinou Exio4, source engine has weapon predictions, but not darkplaces 20:37 Exio4 redeclipse has 20:37 Calinou redeclipse does it clientside 20:37 Exio4 and xonotic? i don't recall 20:38 Peacock xonotic: did they hold a contest for the goofyest sounding name? lol 20:39 Peacock sounds like a failed car lol 20:39 Peacock "The Homer" lol 20:40 leo_rockway Peacock: I like it better than Nexuiz. 20:40 Peacock that was the old name? 20:40 leo_rockway yes, before it was hijacked. 20:40 Peacock FLOSS needs linguists lol 20:40 leo_rockway Nexuiz, pronounced Nexiuz... o.0 20:40 Calinou nexuiz is dead anyway :P 20:40 leo_rockway they made a typo when registering the domain 20:40 Menche how do you pronounce 'xonotic' anyway? 20:40 Menche like zonotic? 20:40 Peacock ^ 20:40 Menche or ecksonotic 20:40 Calinou zone-otic, kso-notic 20:41 leo_rockway yup 20:41 Calinou depends if you're in USA or europe[wiki] 20:41 Exio4 Menche: like zonotic in argentinian! 20:41 leo_rockway Calinou: the old dev came back to screw all the newer devs over. The newer devs moved to Xonotic... that's pretty much now it goes. 20:41 Peacock like VLC on ios lol 20:41 leo_rockway how* 20:41 leo_rockway VLC on ios was a license issue 20:42 Peacock yeah, one dev 20:42 Peacock screwing over the users 20:42 Peacock bad publicity for GPL honestly 20:42 Peacock so VLC switched or dual-licensed now 20:42 leo_rockway yes, but the GPL was not the problem, IMO, but ios. 20:43 leo_rockway so the old dev of Nexuiz had copyright and sold the work off all the devs over to some company. 20:43 Peacock but i thought the GPL was there to protect users' rights, not the devs, and yet 1 dev was able to get it pulled.... doesn't sound like its working 20:43 leo_rockway Peacock: VLC got pulled out of the ios market at the time. 20:44 leo_rockway VLC itself was still free software, the ios market didn't allow resharing in more than 3 devices, though. 20:44 Peacock full article (Read comments) 20:44 Peacock http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/07/18/1943202/vlc-for-ios-returns-on-july-19-rewritten-and-fully-open-sourced 20:45 Calinou bad publicity for GPL honestly 20:45 leo_rockway oh, this is new news! 20:45 Calinou buuut... FREEDOM! we need to argue for users' FREEDOMS! 20:45 Calinou 20:45 leo_rockway I'm talking about what happened before. 20:45 Calinou and this is how people argue on the internet 20:45 Peacock diff people have diff ideas about freedom :p 20:46 Peacock hence communist freedom ~= capitalist freedom 20:46 Peacock (for obvious reasons) 20:47 Peacock like some people want the freedom to bare arms and others want freedom from gun violence 20:47 leo_rockway oh, so it's just the same thing, except the double licensed. 20:47 leo_rockway Apple didn't change a thing :S 20:47 Peacock yeah though the comments say it still might not pass 20:48 Peacock one helluva license debate in that article lol 20:48 leo_rockway it's because the market adds restrictions to the license 20:48 Calinou meanwhile: people praise apple for their design, brand image, and being friendly to photoshop 20:48 Peacock apple simply puts out consumer grade stuff for people who couldn't care less how it works so long as it works 20:48 nalkri And people with the same ideas about freedom have different ideas about how to optimise for it 20:49 leo_rockway I find it funny how Apple went from attacking 1984 to becoming 1984 20:49 Peacock you and me might be willing to deal with bugs and problems in linux, but thats not for everyone 20:49 leo_rockway Peacock: you say that like Apple products are bug free... 20:49 Menche why does it seem so difficult to build minetest for osx? 20:49 Peacock ive never used it i cant say 20:49 Calinou linux has less bugs and problems than trolls might say 20:49 Calinou Menche, because it is 20:49 Calinou it's always a PITA to build on proprietary OSes for obvious reasons 20:50 Peacock linux is a bit like the lottery when it comes to which devices are supported :p 20:50 Menche would think that osx would be more similar to linux 20:50 Peacock especially printers/scanners things like that 20:50 leo_rockway I used Cheetah for about 4 months. And then had to install and deal with Tiger for a little bit... 20:50 Menche but we build for linux and windoze but can't build for osx 20:50 leo_rockway I prefer OSX over Windows 20:50 leo_rockway but that doesn't mean I like OSX 20:50 Calinou Peacock, it's not a lottery, it's a matter of choosing well 20:50 Peacock must not be enough mac players on minetest? 20:50 Calinou Peacock, lol no 20:51 Peacock calinou, assume you dont buy all your hardware *after* chosing an OS 20:51 Peacock i mean, it stands to reason: you need a computer to discover linux on the internet lol 20:51 Calinou poor computer choices are your problem 20:51 Peacock poor by who's standard? 20:51 Peacock do you assume the shelves are stocked the same in every store in every country? 20:51 leo_rockway Peacock: I discovered Linux on a magazine last millenium :S 20:52 leo_rockway we still used magazines! 20:52 Peacock or that we all trust shipping companies to not kick our packages over the fence? 20:52 Calinou also: Peacock: you say that like Apple products are bug free... 20:52 Calinou premium products have bugs, low cost products have bugs. 20:52 Peacock 15 years ago I only bought high end PCs and i had as many problems as buying the cheapest ones now 20:52 leo_rockway I find that premium products sometimes have more bugs due to schedules. 20:53 leo_rockway they need to have the software ready by a certain date (black Friday, or whatever) 20:53 Peacock so between forking over 2K or 200$, guess which i'll chose :p 20:53 leo_rockway free software releases when it's ready, but you can use it before that. 20:53 Peacock i see you've never used arch :p 20:53 Calinou harsh linux 20:53 leo_rockway it doesn't man that releases don't have serious bug (see Debian's ssh) 20:54 leo_rockway Peacock: I use Arch TESTING 20:54 * Menche uses Arch 20:54 Peacock funny im moving away from it now 20:54 Exio4 in the meantime i use debian & gentoo 20:54 Calinou xubuntu bro! 20:54 leo_rockway this server is Debian Wheezy 20:54 Peacock packer's broken, can't update it through pacman, i miss synaptic lol 20:54 Calinou haters gonna hate 20:54 Peacock so... crunchbang 20:54 Menche you can't update it through pacman?? 20:55 Peacock packer? nope 20:55 leo_rockway I'm really happy with Arch 20:55 Calinou what I don't like about xubuntu is that it's not rolling release, though 20:55 Menche packer? that some pacman wrapper? 20:55 Peacock aur helper 20:55 Calinou rolling release means no reinstalls or risky upgrades... 20:55 Peacock and pacman wrapper 20:55 leo_rockway like yaourt 20:55 * Menche uses yaourt 20:55 Peacock rolling releases can break a system too 20:55 Calinou if well done, they probably shouldn't 20:55 Peacock yaourt isn't in pacman either is it? 20:55 Calinou if done bad, they will, like a stable release 20:56 leo_rockway Calinou: I had more issues upgrading versions of Ubuntu than using Arch testing. 20:56 Peacock well arch is a perfect example of how not to roll out changes lol 20:56 Menche yaourt isn't in the default repos 20:56 Calinou typically I reinstall while keeping my /home 20:56 Exio4 +[17:55:34] rolling releases can break a system too 20:56 Calinou that keeps enough data, but you still need to reinstall a fair bunch of software 20:56 Exio4 suddenly, gentoo 20:56 Exio4 a real rolling release distro 20:56 leo_rockway Exio4: I never used Gentoo. I love it in theory. In practice I don't have the patience. 20:56 Peacock ive lost my lust for bleeding edge, i'll take "working when i need it" instead lol 20:57 Peacock *lustre 20:57 Peacock wtv 20:57 Exio4 i've said that to you a bit ago iirc 20:57 leo_rockway Peacock: KMail from KDE unstable is making me feel that. But versionitis is too powerful :S 20:57 Exio4 i'm k with the kernel 3.9 for now 20:57 Peacock you mean when the numbers go up every other day? lol 20:57 Peacock i noticed that too 20:57 leo_rockway Exio4: I have 3.10.2 o.o 20:58 Exio4 yeah, you're an archlinux user 20:58 Exio4 you will have the last kernel always 20:58 Peacock my game is a joke on that actually lol theres no versions 3,4,5,6 20:58 Exio4 even if it is claimed to break your filesystem, and kill your family 20:58 Exio4 anyway, leaving 20:59 Calinou "working when I need it", suddenly, software developers tell you to update your 16-24 month old software 20:59 Calinou happened to me once 20:59 Calinou and... that fixed the issue 20:59 Peacock updates is what causes shit to stop working 20:59 MasterBot http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=105925 ..Anyone? 20:59 leo_rockway hey, leave my XP alone. It's been working fine for me since 2003! 20:59 Peacock id rather clean-install every 6 months 20:59 leo_rockway o.o 20:59 Calinou it can also make shit start working 21:00 Peacock yeah but the odds are against more shit being fixed than broken lol 21:00 Calinou lol markveidemanis on debian forums 21:00 * Calinou eats popcorn 21:00 Peacock though you install on a clean slate and everythings' fine 21:00 Calinou MasterBot, this is likely to be a graphic driver issue 21:00 Peacock a lot of it has to do with dependencies being upgraded at the same time 21:01 Calinou Peacock, see the positive side of things 21:01 MasterBot It works fine, i just need the numbers 21:01 Calinou there are way too many people being negative on software, for no reason 21:01 Calinou MasterBot, what is your graphics card? and driver? 21:01 Calinou lspci | grep VGA 21:01 MasterBot 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) 21:01 Peacock well, if software developers had the same kind of liabilities as consumer product manufacturers, most of them would be out of business lol 21:02 Peacock nor could a car company get away with calling an airbag that doesn't deploy "a feature" lol 21:03 Calinou night 21:03 Peacock night 21:04 Peacock good lord they built it http://davidmoorephoto.com/storage/cache/images/000/975/1I2B9665,large.2x.jpg?1372317810 21:05 leo_rockway Peacock: LOL 21:07 Peacock wonder how much it cost to make lol 21:13 MasterBot http://bpaste.net/show/nvJCLSVnG4EYyiBHQtdH/ 21:22 MasterBot How much MHz do i need for a 1440x900 monitor? 21:43 harrison How much do you have to spend? 21:43 MasterBot 1.6 :( 21:44 MasterBot 1.6 GHz, you do the math 21:44 MasterBot But none wasted -- Openbox:) 21:44 harrison doc, when i giggle, it hurts! 21:44 harrison 1.6 gigglehurts 21:47 MasterBot i put 100 22:06 PilzAdam post of the year: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101699#p101699 22:32 MinetestBot GIT: hdastwb commited to minetest/minetest: added (optional) support for 6d facedir in dir_to_facedir and added facedir_to_dir a0f5b70568 2013-07-23T15:31:32-07:00 http://git.io/hHQYCw 22:42 MinetestBot GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Cosmetic player info changes 3629a90c2e 2013-07-23T15:41:03-07:00 http://git.io/za3xkA 22:43 sea-theorem Hmm...hey, can we make minetest n-dimensional? 22:43 Peacock n dimensional? 22:43 PilzAdam did you just volunteer to patch irrlicht? 22:44 Exio4 lol @ ^ 22:44 nalkri Looks like it 22:44 sea-theorem I'm pretty sure that you'd have to patch minetest, but not irrlicht 22:44 nalkri Someone tie them to a chair and make it happen 22:45 Peacock dont do that, they might think they're getting some 22:53 Peacock weird, the inf position thing only happens when someone logs in 22:55 jojoa1997 so i have a computer that gets 2 fps when i used an 8 pixel texture pack i got 4 fps. how could i raise the fps to around 20 22:57 Exio4 Peacock: how do you reproduce it? 22:58 Exio4 jojoa1997: getting a better computer normally works 22:58 Peacock i cant, someone logs in, and i get dragged off to weird coordinates 22:58 Peacock like -inf,{normal},250000 22:58 Exio4 use an updated client for that not happening? 22:58 Exio4 there is a speed-cap in collisions since 0.4.5 iirc 22:59 jojoa1997 well my mom has a 10 year old computer and her other one is out 23:01 Peacock im not using that old a version :p 23:01 Exio4 aren't you using 0.4.4? 23:01 Peacock oh hell no lol 23:01 Peacock 0.4.6 23:02 Peacock 0.4.4 is mesopotamian 23:02 Exio4 who would use that bugged release o_O 23:02 Exio4 lemme check the changelog 23:02 Peacock how many bug-free releases do you count? lol 23:02 Exio4 the 0.4.6 release was filled with bugs 23:02 Exio4 http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.6_.E2.86.92_0.4.7 23:02 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Add gettext translation for image_button 8e2467c393 2013-07-23T16:01:56-07:00 http://git.io/G9AYcw 23:03 Exio4 the limit/speedcap is in 0.4.7 23:03 Exio4 not 0.4.5 23:03 Exio4 6* 23:04 Peacock honestly the only reason i didn't upgrade was because I didn't like most of the changes, but i dont think ill have much choice 23:04 Peacock though it seems like most of the changes i didn't like are in minetest_Game 23:04 Peacock which i can replace 23:07 Peacock ugh, i hate to ban kids, but i hate babysitting even more lol 23:09 Peacock though, if i made changes to things in /builtin, do i need to back those up? 23:10 Exio4 i would use git powa for this 23:10 Exio4 edit, git add builtin/newfile.lua 23:10 Exio4 git add bultin/whatever-file-is-used-for-loading.lua 23:10 Peacock ah shit, moot point, packer's broken, ill be compiling from terminal 23:11 Exio4 git commit -m "local change: add stuff to builtin that does X shit" 23:11 Exio4 and add a source/include/whatever "__builtin/newfile.lua" or so 23:11 Peacock i had this thing somewhere that made colors.txt for the mapper from the node register function 23:12 Peacock i think in misc_register.lua 23:12 PilzAdam bye 23:20 bas080 I have thought about this a while. What is mesecons are not mesecons but coppercons... that way we can use mese technology for the real alien technologies like teleportation, levitation and other more "magical" mechanics. 23:24 bas080 it's just a name. i know... 23:24 bas080 nvm 23:28 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Add support of pressed_texture of image_button a59f85c1a0 2013-07-23T16:02:43-07:00 http://git.io/WHmw-A 23:35 Peacock i think the point of mesecons is that you need mese to make em 23:35 Peacock i could be wrong tho 23:36 Peacock as for alien tech, pick an alien race and use their name :p 23:37 Peacock like those people who wear dog tags on their head on stargate 23:44 sdzen hello #minetest 23:44 Peacock minetest says no 23:44 Peacock (little britain joke) :p 23:45 sdzen my bedsheets smell rank, your arguement has become invalid 23:45 Peacock thank you for that mental imagery 23:46 sdzen what mental imagery? 23:46 Peacock plumes of green smoke coming from the bed lol 23:46 Peacock (the sims) 23:46 Peacock inb4 someone says the sims is evil and we should play opensims 23:47 Peacock :p 23:47 sdzen how does one manage that? 23:47 sdzen ive never gotten that to happen to a bed playing sims 23:47 sdzen mfw nothing is real 23:47 Peacock nihilism 23:52 sdzen I found squirrels! 23:52 sdzen okay back to business, 0.4.8 out yet? 23:52 Uberi nopers 23:52 Peacock dont think so 23:52 Peacock there was talk a week ago that it might be ready? 23:52 Exio4 sdzen: it got delayed because lua mainmenu 23:52 Peacock CBW 23:53 Peacock what's the lua menu supposed to do? 23:53 Exio4 Peacock: check upstream, it contains an online mod manager 23:54 Peacock mod manager is for downloading mods from minetest.net? 23:54 Exio4 https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/ 23:54 sdzen how does it preform in relation to past mainmenus? 23:54 Peacock does the old method of just /games/mygames/mods still work? 23:55 Exio4 /mygames/ is deprecated 23:55 Exio4 the mod "managing" changed.. a bit 23:55 Peacock so i have to stick all my mods in a main folder and tick a bunch of boxes? 23:56 sdzen that has been around for awhile, and its obviously here to stay 23:56 sdzen :) 23:56 sdzen oh wait wrong face 23:56 sdzen :( 23:56 Exio4 lets say you need to do that, for keeping it simple 23:56 Peacock i just wanna make sure i dont have to upload my stuff to actually use it lol 23:56 Peacock it used to be simpler :p 23:56 sdzen click drag 23:56 sdzen ctrl x 23:57 sdzen ctrl v 23:57 sdzen now you add click 23:57 Peacock ^ 23:57 sdzen that is extra step 23:58 Exio4 it is simpler for "normal uses" 23:58 Exio4 users* 23:58 Exio4 where they will download it from the interface, enable it in the "same" interface and so 23:58 Peacock the really dumb ones yeah lol but they don't get the best of receptions on forum either