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00:06 Kacey hey anyone good with making textures?
00:07 Menche for what?
00:07 Kacey https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/moretubes a few things are missing textures
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00:20 Megaf could you please point me to a /sethome like mod?
00:20 Megaf or /home or something
00:20 Megaf players are asking for this
00:22 PilzAdam ok, go to ixquick.com enter "sethome site:forum.minetest.net" in the search bar and then click on the first (non ad) link
00:27 Megaf PilzAdam, what you are saying is, I will get a lot of information on the minetest forum, right?
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01:17 PilzAdam bye
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02:27 Menche lol, there's an entry on ebay for detroit: http://www.ebay.com/itm/City-of-Detroit-/130951248586?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7d4d7aca
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02:27 Menche the bidding started at $7.50
02:28 Menche and hey, there's free shipping
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02:44 sdzen so tempting
02:47 Peacock id buy the city if i could liquidate the population :/
02:47 Peacock how much do organs sell on ebay for?
02:47 * Menche is interested in the "free shipping" for that item
02:48 sdzen the organs are probably damaged
02:48 Peacock crack/cocaine yeah youre right
02:48 sdzen not strong enough pipes
02:48 sdzen couldn't hold a note if they tried
02:48 Peacock allright, so let's buy the city, and flood it with crack until it's depopulated :D
02:49 sdzen I suggest pcp
02:49 sdzen then they can drink the polluted water up as well
02:49 sdzen :)
02:49 Peacock we could always get rid of welfare, then everybody will leave :D
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03:00 Mallot1 nope
03:00 Mallot1 hi
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03:41 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
03:42 thefamilygrog66 the daily build looks a little wonky today
03:45 thefamilygrog66 scratch that - the daily build client on my server looks right messed up.
03:51 Peacock lol someone tried to grief me while i was eating, they didn't get far
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04:21 Peacock netsplit party
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04:28 Kacey how do i give someone push acess?
04:28 VanessaE under "Repo Settings -> Collaborators"
04:29 Kacey ooh...
04:29 VanessaE (the "tool" icon, just above the repo URL on the right)
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04:42 hdastwb VanessaE, what do you think about removing the aliases at the top of the node breaker/deployer files so as to not use the technic versions?
04:43 VanessaE no, the aliases are needed so that they can safely be dropped from technic.  I don't like breaking compatibility with old maps
04:43 VanessaE or do you mean so that pipeworks won't defer to technic's versions?
04:44 VanessaE in that case, yeah, nuke 'em
04:44 VanessaE as long as they get dropped from technic shortly thereafter
04:45 hdastwb I think RBA was saying that he was getting rid of the technic ones, though he hasn't yet…
04:45 VanessaE yes
04:52 VanessaE I'd remove them now if I weren't so damn tired
04:53 VanessaE but I'd rather let RBA handle it, in case he has further plans
04:56 hdastwb it also looks like the plastic-based recipes for tubes still work with technic installed, is that intentional?
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04:57 VanessaE I'm not sure what RBA intends there - I thought the idea was to make them use glass+steel but maybe that changed
04:57 VanessaE or maybe I just need to update the crafts a bit to check for technic
04:57 hdastwb no, I think the problem is that I have my technic installed as technic/technic/init.lua
04:58 hdastwb it seems to check for technic/init.lua and technic_master/init.lua
04:58 VanessaE yeah, then I'm doing it wrong
04:58 VanessaE lemme fix it
04:58 hdastwb alright
05:00 VanessaE fixed in pipeworks git.
05:00 VanessaE try that and tell me if it works right :-)
05:01 VanessaE (that part was written before optional dependencies were allowed and never got updated)
05:04 hdastwb it looks like that just created a dependency loop and caused none of the mods to be able to load…
05:04 VanessaE aw shit
05:05 VanessaE delete the "technic?" line from depends.txt then
05:05 VanessaE I forgot technic loads pipeworks first :)
05:06 hdastwb yep, that seems to have worked
05:06 VanessaE fixed in git
05:07 VanessaE which is odd, because technic shoulda loaded first *anyway*
05:07 VanessaE meh
05:07 VanessaE I'm too tired to work out dependencies anyway
05:08 Peacock flowcharts :p
05:13 VanessaE did it fix the recipe issue?
05:16 hdastwb I think it has
05:16 VanessaE ok
05:25 leo_rockway I never look at MC stuff, but somebody linked me to this and it looks pretty impressive: http://imgur.com/gallery/Ra9lx
05:25 leo_rockway we do have most of that stuff, though, I think.
05:25 VanessaE nice.
05:26 VanessaE our mapgen doesn't quite do that kind of terrain, and my jungle trees don't generate densely enough in moretrees, but we have everything else
05:26 leo_rockway I should look for that mod for canyons
05:26 leo_rockway I've never actually tried it
05:26 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4901
05:26 VanessaE I think.
05:27 leo_rockway I was playing MT today for the first time in months
05:27 VanessaE too bad all the screenshots are gone
05:27 leo_rockway I found mese and diamond... idk which one is stronger o.o
05:27 VanessaE (well most are)
05:27 VanessaE leo_rockway: I dunno either, since diamonds were introduced, I'm confused as well
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05:28 nalkri Mese is easier to find, and pretty hard
05:28 Pentium44 hi
05:28 nalkri So I just use that :p
05:28 VanessaE hi
05:28 leo_rockway nalkri: I found diamonds before mese
05:28 leo_rockway but they were fairly close
05:28 Pentium44 im planing on making a website for minetest mods
05:28 Pentium44 does anyone have any suggestions for it?
05:28 leo_rockway it would be nicer if the diamonds sparkled more
05:29 leo_rockway or sparkled at all
05:29 VanessaE leo_rockway: easily done by enabling and adding a texture animation to it
05:29 leo_rockway oh, there's texture animation? o.o
05:29 nalkri Oh, I've found much more mese, though I might have found diamond first(found one diamond right near the surface)
05:29 VanessaE you could perhaps write a mod that redefined diamond ore and blocks
05:29 leo_rockway does the furnace have that too?
05:29 VanessaE leo_rockway: sure, torches, water, and lava how it
05:29 VanessaE the furnace does not, no
05:30 VanessaE but it could if someone were so inclined
05:30 leo_rockway are there plans for 3d torches?
05:30 leo_rockway or do people prefer them 2d?
05:30 nalkri Nooooo
05:30 VanessaE dunno, but I hope not.
05:30 VanessaE I prefer the 2d ones.
05:30 nalkri Don't take away my cardboard torches!
05:30 leo_rockway I like the 3d ones better, but I don't hate on the 2d ones.
05:30 nalkri I wouldn't really cry at 3d ones, but I'm quite fond of 2d
05:30 leo_rockway I'm also confused by the finite water
05:31 leo_rockway either the abm is too slow or the water doesn't behave the way I'd expect it to behave
05:31 leo_rockway nalkri: the only issue I have is that sometimes I don't see them o.o
05:31 VanessaE leo_rockway: finite water is additive, if you wanna fill a pool, you have to add enough water to actually fill it
05:31 nalkri leo_rockway: they might need a cross then
05:32 nalkri Though that would be hard to do with the angle they're at
05:32 leo_rockway nalkri: that would actually be great
05:32 nalkri Crosses work well for pseudo 3d
05:32 leo_rockway I think that would be better than actual 3d
05:32 leo_rockway it would match the environment
05:32 nalkri Like motoring cones on boats that are actually two triangles slotted together
05:33 leo_rockway I like playing MT every once in a while to see the changes, but I'm not very interested in the Lego / creative part of it. So I really look forward to mobs in main.
05:34 leo_rockway I like building stuff sometimes, but I don't have the patience
05:34 leo_rockway I have a server, so people come and build. I like seeing what they build.
05:35 leo_rockway I discovered a water dam in my server o.o it produces light, with mesecons.
05:35 leo_rockway that looked really impressive
05:35 leo_rockway I never even used mesecons.
05:35 leo_rockway some other guy had a doorbell. I thought that was very creative.
05:37 OldCoder Time to head home. Good evening.
05:37 VanessaE hi OldCoder
05:37 leo_rockway OldCoder: \ø
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05:38 OldCoder o/
05:38 VanessaE bbl
05:40 leo_rockway VanessaE: see, this kind of behaviour is odd: http://leorockway.com.ar/mt.png
05:40 leo_rockway the water is like frozen.
05:40 leo_rockway oh, it started moving now, but it took like 2 minutes
05:42 leo_rockway http://leorockway.com.ar/mt1.png
05:42 leo_rockway it still looks a bit odd
05:42 leo_rockway it's slowly filling the area, though. But quite slowly.
05:42 leo_rockway I like this behaviour, but it's just too slow to make sense.
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05:50 Pentium44 ok everyone, if you develop mods : http://mods.minetest.net/
05:57 Peacock interesting
05:57 Peacock though it feels kinda weird without a bunch of popups like other hosts lol
05:59 Pentium44 hehe
05:59 Pentium44 im not liike that
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06:06 McBrutal hi all
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06:07 McBrutal im back at trying to install minetest on ubuntu
06:09 McBrutal Ive installed it using the deb file, im new to linux and dont know how to copy mods into it
06:09 Pentium44 McBrutal
06:09 Pentium44 its easy
06:09 Pentium44 ok
06:09 Pentium44 so go here
06:09 Pentium44 /usr/share/minetest
06:10 Pentium44 and there should be a games directory
06:10 Pentium44 go into minetest_game
06:10 Pentium44 then mods
06:10 Pentium44 and move your mods into that directory
06:10 McBrutal mine is in a diff directory
06:11 Pentium44 ok then
06:11 Pentium44 try /usr/local/share
06:11 Pentium44 or /home/<user>/.minetest
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06:31 Lynxx hello evryone :)
06:31 nalkri Good morning Lynxx
06:31 Lynxx ._.
06:32 Lynxx i came here to ask if anyone knows how to make changes to camera.cpp and make them visible when you start the game....
06:33 nalkri I don't, sorry, wait a while for someone smarter
06:33 nalkri And who hates C++ less than I do :þ
06:34 Lynxx hahah
06:34 Lynxx ok :)
06:35 nalkri Out of interest though, what are you wanting to change?
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06:38 Lynxx how the hand is viewed by the player and how big it is displayed
06:38 nalkri Ah, it looks like a bread roll currently
06:38 Lynxx yep
06:38 Lynxx i want to fix that it's been buging me since day 1 and it's starting to itch
06:38 Lynxx so i'm gonna do what i can to fix that :#
06:40 Lynxx or atleast tweak it a bit
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06:42 * VanessaE is back
06:42 Lynxx hello :D
06:43 VanessaE hi
06:43 nalkri Welcome back
06:46 Lynxx hmmm i'm gonna explode  soon >.<
06:52 kahrl are you a creeper? who enabled hostile mobs here D:
06:53 Lynxx ._. i might be a bug
06:53 Lynxx lol
06:58 VanessaE kahrl: seen my comment in -dev ?
06:58 kahrl VanessaE: I have now
06:58 VanessaE ok
06:59 kahrl does it go away if you use fewer items/nodes?
06:59 VanessaE I have not tried.
07:00 VanessaE it's just something I randomly noticed
07:00 VanessaE yep, it happens even with vanilla minetest_game
07:01 kahrl strange
07:01 Peacock do asterisks in ingame chat cause segfaults for anyone?
07:01 kahrl you tried disabling bumpmapping already?
07:01 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2007222013%20-%2003:03:25%20AM.png
07:01 VanessaE no, not yet
07:02 VanessaE checking..
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07:02 VanessaE seems okay when using default textures
07:03 VanessaE seems okay with HDX 256 when bumpmap is disabled.
07:03 VanessaE ok, that settles that :)
07:04 VanessaE so RBA broke it :P
07:04 kahrl in theory it could be commit fc6725f14e
07:05 kahrl but yeah no one else but RBA and hmmmmm (in that commit) touched it
07:05 VanessaE hm, that's possible
07:05 VanessaE lemme see if I can revert that one locally
07:07 VanessaE nope, that one wasn't it
07:12 VanessaE I'll bug RBA to fix it when he shows up next
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07:13 Peacock Segfault, we meet again lol
07:14 VanessaE at any rate, I figured you would be happy to know it wasn't your suggestion that caused it :)
07:14 Peacock there must be a max length to ingame chat or something
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07:19 jojoa1997 Hello
07:19 * VanessaE pokes jojoa1997 and Calinou
07:20 jojoa1997 I'm back from a long break and OW!
07:20 Peacock sunburned to a crisp?
07:20 * jojoa1997 pokes VanessaE
07:20 jojoa1997 Nope from minetest
07:21 jojoa1997 Been gone for about 2-3 months
07:21 PenguinDad \o/
07:21 Peacock i think kahrls' got you beat by a year :p
07:21 VanessaE why have you been away?
07:22 Peacock prison :p
07:22 jojoa1997 Two things
07:22 Peacock "the federal oil rig" lol
07:22 jojoa1997 #1 lol I still a, in top 5 ,ost posts
07:22 jojoa1997 Also I just got fed up with some developers
07:23 Peacock eat them
07:23 jojoa1997 And I bought minecraft and well it is fun
07:23 * VanessaE wonders who in particular
07:23 Peacock lol
07:23 jojoa1997 But I midss
07:23 jojoa1997 But I miss the possibilities of minetest
07:24 Peacock paramat's written some cool-ass mods since
07:24 VanessaE jojoa1997: it's moved along quite nicely lately
07:24 jojoa1997 Also the first month was really I had finals and the second two weeks of vacation was at Washington DC or camp
07:24 jojoa1997 VanessaE cool
07:24 Peacock not... band camp? :p
07:24 jojoa1997 Nope
07:25 VanessaE jojoa1997: you finally get your parents to 'unlock' your PC?
07:25 jojoa1997 VanessaE when I saw your new picture I thought you were a guy
07:25 VanessaE wtf?
07:25 jojoa1997 Yep since the first of summer and then I leave for two weeka
07:25 VanessaE thank G*d no
07:25 jojoa1997 :-*
07:25 Peacock LOL
07:25 jojoa1997 I have to get github running
07:25 Peacock thats allright, when i first saw celeron's picture i thought he was a girl, so it evens out
07:26 jojoa1997 I'm gonna restart everything and get eid of all the mods on my github
07:26 Peacock eid?
07:26 Peacock oh, rid
07:26 jojoa1997 Rid
07:27 Peacock howcome?
07:27 jojoa1997 Too much clutter
07:28 Peacock yeah, accumulating mods = too much lag after a while
07:28 Peacock and then you're like, "do i even use these nodes?" lol
07:28 Calinou Peacock: or not
07:29 Calinou heavy mods, yes
07:29 Calinou if you have 500 mods which add one node each, then no
07:29 Peacock well, a ton of tiny mods add up too
07:29 Peacock especially if they all use hirez textures
07:30 jojoa1997 Calinou I have not heard your greeting to me
07:30 jojoa1997 Yet
07:30 VanessaE I have over 4100 nodes on my server and it doesn't usually lag unless someone is exploring new terrain
07:30 * Peacock does secret handshake
07:30 jojoa1997 Like me
07:30 VanessaE (and 90% of that lag is from a single mod that uses a part of the engine that's slow)
07:30 Peacock on_genereated?
07:31 Calinou jojoa1997: hi
07:31 jojoa1997 Speaking of which what is my password. Please pm me I can't get on
07:31 jojoa1997 Calinou: I meant "Tablet user!"
07:32 jojoa1997 Calinou what is
07:32 jojoa1997 CPCT
07:32 jojoa1997 CTXP
07:32 jojoa1997 CTCP
07:32 Calinou client to client protocol, it lets you know which IRC client someone uses, or their time zone
07:33 Peacock careful jojoa, bot kicks on flood :p
07:33 nalkri Or exchange files
07:33 Peacock poor oldcoder lol
07:33 Calinou >2013 >exchange files through IRC directly
07:33 Calinou [inception face]
07:34 nalkri hehe
07:34 Peacock inception?
07:34 * Peacock dies in slow motion
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07:34 jojoa1997 Guys remember my super control parents
07:34 Peacock you had them wacked?
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07:35 jojoa1997 Well I got them to play MiniTest today
07:36 jojoa1997 I meant minetest
07:36 Peacock and? (they liked?)
07:36 jojoa1997 Stupid auto corrwxt
07:36 Peacock stupid auto cat rectal
07:36 jojoa1997 Yeah I spent two hours finally getting them to dig coal
07:37 jojoa1997 So...
07:37 jojoa1997 Any big new mods out
07:37 Peacock flolands, moonrealm,
07:37 Peacock mount meru pretty cool too
07:38 Peacock someone made a mod to hide mesecon wires
07:39 Peacock about a dozen or so instant building mods lol
07:40 jojoa1997 You know they should add villages to minetest with the ability of the instant building mods
07:40 Lynxx ._. why so many insta build mods?
07:40 Peacock god knows, theyre all derived from each other lol
07:40 Peacock the only difference is which buildings they come with
07:41 jojoa1997 Yeah
07:41 Peacock you'd think they'd have the one mod and contribute all the buildings to the same repo
07:41 * Calinou makes wayland look to Peacock
07:41 Calinou it doesn't work like that in the open source world
07:41 Peacock wayland yutani?
07:42 Peacock that i know lol
07:42 Peacock 3 people will come up with 5 different solutions
07:43 jojoa1997 Well open source can be a headache
07:43 Peacock if argument then solutions ^ 3 return end
07:43 jojoa1997 So are the biomes with mgv7 yet
07:44 Calinou it can be a headache if you're looking for credit or recognition
07:44 Calinou if you don't it isn't
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07:44 webdesigner97 hi
07:44 Calinou hi
07:44 sfan5|_ hi
07:44 webdesigner97 what charset does the map.sqlite use? couldn't find a hint in mapformat.txt
07:45 Peacock its also a headache when everyone's an armchair lawyer lol
07:45 jojoa1997 So the big question
07:45 sfan5|_ webdesigner97: charset? ASCII
07:46 Peacock i understood data, the rest's in polish
07:46 jojoa1997 Please tell me there are bioms
07:46 jojoa1997 Biomes
07:46 jojoa1997 Or a way to make them
07:46 webdesigner97 ok, I'll try it out.
07:46 webdesigner97 never used sqlite before, only mysql
07:46 Peacock cross referencing in mysql, the good old days lol
07:47 sfan5|_ webdesigner97: the numbers are not plaintext...
07:47 webdesigner97 what do you mean?
07:48 jojoa1997 Well off to watch youtube
07:48 sfan5|_ they are not like "64" they are packed into bytes
07:49 Calinou jojoa1997|OFF: away nicks kill
07:49 sfan5|_ if you dont know what I mean you should read a book about data types in C
07:50 webdesigner97 My problem is that I want to find out the node at a <pos>. I was able to convert the Python script in mapformat.txt to PHP, and it works. I get correct positions, but now I want to get the node at this pos
07:50 jojoa1997 Why must you wake me buy mentioning my name,e
07:50 * Calinou buys jojoa1997's name
07:51 jojoa1997 Is there a new landmine in the community
07:51 Peacock string.byte or something like that?
07:51 sfan5|_ yes
07:51 Peacock the positions' vacant jojoa if you want it :p
07:52 sfan5|_ byte1 for uint8_t byte1 + byte2 << 8 for uint16_t
07:52 Peacock actually i think i had him on my server today lol
07:52 Peacock andres/polla
07:53 VanessaE there, finally
07:53 VanessaE Made moreblocks dependency optional and configurable (d32993e)
07:54 webdesigner97 seems to be a hard problem. let me try to import map.sqlite to a mysql database
07:54 Peacock would that help?
07:55 sfan5|_ webdesigner97: that won't help
07:56 webdesigner97 yep.... just saw it :D
07:56 sfan5|_ you need to extract the packed numbers
07:57 jojoa1997 Back Peacock what do you mean the position is vacant. What position?
07:57 Peacock the landmine position :p
07:57 Peacock you have to be mexican though
07:57 jojoa1997 Um no
07:57 webdesigner97 how? this is confusing me :D what does the data field contain?
07:58 sfan5|_ bytes
07:58 jojoa1997 Peacock first I live near Cuba not mexico. I have all the Hispanics I need. Second I would feel bad
07:59 sfan5|_ what are you trying to do?
07:59 Peacock lol, i have hispanics too, i keep them in the basement
07:59 webdesigner97 bytes...
07:59 jojoa1997 Now if VanessaE added TNT to her server and allowed me to destroy it then maybe
07:59 VanessaE NFW.
07:59 jojoa1997 But I would have myself rolled back of course
08:00 jojoa1997 Also what is nfw
08:00 sfan5|_ webdesigner97: what are you trying to do anyway?
08:00 jojoa1997 Eat you
08:00 VanessaE No Fucking Way
08:00 VanessaE hi webdesigner97.
08:00 Peacock people are getting around rollback lately by using several players and overlapping griefs
08:00 Peacock undo one and it makes things worse
08:01 jojoa1997 webdesigner97: Star wars battlefront II FTW nice choice
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08:07 webdesigner97 oh, I'm silly. Why don't I just use the debug.txt to find out my home's pos?!
08:08 VanessaE haha
08:09 jojoa1997 I'm I. A crissis
08:09 webdesigner97 now I need to find my bones with all those diamonds and mese
08:09 jojoa1997 :-$ :'( :-\ O:-) :-[ :-! :-$ B-) :O :-* =-O :-P ;-) :-( :-)
08:09 jojoa1997 What face do I use
08:10 Peacock sound like hannibal lol
08:11 Peacock wait you're on the east coast? isn't it late? lol
08:12 * webdesigner97 is happy again. He could save his diamonds and mese
08:13 jojoa1997 Yeah 23 hours and counting
08:13 jojoa1997 Shooting for 48 hours and then I sleep
08:19 jojoa1997 So quiet
08:19 Peacock europeans should be waking up soon :P
08:19 Peacock otherwise just insomniac north americans
08:20 jojoa1997 Hay some people need to wake up at five for school
08:20 * webdesigner97 is from Europe
08:20 jojoa1997 Also Americans wake up earlier but go to sleep earlier too
08:20 Peacock wait what time is it in EU?
08:21 webdesigner97 Germany: 10:20 AM
08:21 jojoa1997 In america everything is like 2 hours early
08:21 Peacock ok yeah what i thought
08:21 Peacock and west coast N.A. should be around midnight
08:21 jojoa1997 It is 4:21 here in east coast
08:21 jojoa1997 VanessaE why aren't you asleep
08:21 VanessaE I'm a night-owl anyway
08:22 jojoa1997 Same
08:22 webdesigner97 :D
08:22 jojoa1997 I hate it
08:22 jojoa1997 I am so tired during the day but once it is dark I am ADHD on nothing
08:22 Peacock heatwaves threw off my clock lol
08:23 Peacock same here
08:23 jojoa1997 Also ADHD plus coffee actually calmed them down
08:23 Peacock wake up tired but awake when tired lol
08:23 * webdesigner97 build a smithy (<- is this the right word) in his singleplayer world
08:23 VanessaE amithy?
08:23 jojoa1997 My ADHD saves me
08:23 VanessaE smithy? *
08:24 jojoa1997 Smith
08:24 jojoa1997 Sith
08:24 webdesigner97 lol
08:24 jojoa1997 STARWARS
08:24 Peacock most kids seem to have adhd lol
08:24 Peacock big bucks for big pharma
08:24 jojoa1997 peacock I am a teenager
08:24 Peacock like i said, kids :p
08:24 VanessaE Peacock: sure, they ALL have ADHD -- until people realize that, hey, kids will be kids
08:24 jojoa1997 I should of outgrown my fake adhd
08:24 webdesigner97 the place where a blacksmith works
08:24 Peacock they call army boys kids when < 20
08:24 VanessaE then this stupid ADHD thing will go away
08:24 jojoa1997 A blacksmiths
08:25 jojoa1997 Or forge
08:25 Peacock well teachers need to dope kids
08:25 jojoa1997 Nope I am a true ADHD kid
08:25 Peacock they could handle 20-25, but not 35-40 at a time
08:25 webdesigner97 ah, ok :D thx. So that's what I'm building currently. The old one looked more like a big rock
08:25 jojoa1997 But I have controlled my self
08:25 Peacock goto 2 shrinks youll get 5 diagnoses lol
08:25 VanessaE teachers sure as hell better not be doing anything to kids except teaching the classes and handling whatever discipline is needed.
08:26 jojoa1997 I am in IB that is all they have time to do
08:26 Peacock what can teachers do? parents today blame them, not their kids
08:26 jojoa1997 Without needing to teach siacipkine
08:26 VanessaE Peacock: then the parents are the problem.  simple as that.
08:27 Peacock they should issue breeding licenses
08:27 jojoa1997 I need food so hungry but if I got to the fridge my dog will barkp
08:27 VanessaE haha
08:27 jojoa1997 They do
08:27 Peacock though that might fall under eugenics :/
08:27 jojoa1997 Marriage
08:27 jojoa1997 I think
08:27 Peacock marriage in olden times was a transfer of ownership of women from father to another man
08:27 Peacock back when they had doweries
08:27 Peacock (spelling?)
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08:29 jojoa1997 You mean parents married children to wealthy guys so the parents could get money
08:29 Peacock its still done that way in some parts lol
08:29 Peacock yep
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08:29 jojoa1997 Greedy people tsk tsk tsk
08:30 VanessaE ok, time to try to sleep, yet again
08:30 VanessaE night all
08:30 Peacock frying pan to the head usually helps me sleep
08:31 jojoa1997 I could just lay down and close my eyes but it is almost 5
08:31 Peacock im staying up and keeping the windows open as long as possible lol
08:32 Peacock im glad im moving in two weeks to a place where you can fit an A/C in the window
08:32 * jojoa1997 whispers to VanessaE are you asleep yet?
08:32 Peacock those friggin mobile A/C's dont look like they last
08:32 Peacock and cost4x +
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08:33 jojoa1997 I get free food and ac where I live :-P
08:33 Peacock obviously if you didn't your parents would be arrested for neglect
08:33 Peacock for the food part at least
08:33 jojoa1997 What if I say I refuse to eat
08:33 jojoa1997 Muwhahaha
08:33 Peacock eating disorder
08:34 Peacock if they don't get you help its also neglect
08:34 jojoa1997 Nope
08:34 jojoa1997 Midnight meals would work
08:34 Lynxx goodnight?
08:34 Lynxx ._.
08:34 jojoa1997 To me?
08:34 Peacock i skip alot of meals tho so i shouldn't talk
08:34 Peacock eating 3 times a day is such a drag
08:35 Lynxx LOL i'm sorry typed that half asleep xD
08:35 Peacock lol
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08:35 Peacock i thought you were telling us to go to bed lol
08:35 jojoa1997 Lynxx you get to stick with my crazy sleep deprived self for the rest of the day. ;-)
08:35 jojoa1997 Og
08:35 jojoa1997 Oh
08:35 jojoa1997 Postocular
08:36 Peacock post-op?
08:36 jojoa1997 Ockeghem
08:36 Lynxx been checking out camera.cpp for 3 days and can't figure out how to make changes to the game... i'm tired DX
08:36 Peacock who's a woman now?
08:36 jojoa1997 What is camera.cpp
08:36 Lynxx wat?
08:36 jojoa1997 O:-)
08:37 Lynxx it's in minetest main...
08:37 Peacock it controls the view
08:37 jojoa1997 So when will we get 3rd person veiw
08:37 Peacock never
08:37 Peacock if you push for it you'll just end up leaving again lol
08:38 jojoa1997 When will we get client side skin loadibg
08:38 jojoa1997 What?
08:38 Lynxx triying to edit that to make the wield hand look biger when i put my custom wield hand texture but i just fail
08:39 jojoa1997 I left due to PilzAdam through all my hard work out of the window just cause he didn't like how I gave credit.
08:39 jojoa1997 Throwing out
08:39 Peacock well yeah but if you ask for features that are too challenging ittl just lead to another argument and break
08:39 jojoa1997 At least use my redstone
08:39 jojoa1997 No I made it
08:40 Peacock in any case, most people play their own games now
08:40 jojoa1997 Nope he was lazy and when he saw how much people liked it (due to my work
08:40 jojoa1997 )
08:40 Peacock minetest_game = newbs
08:41 jojoa1997 He decided I should do this myself
08:41 Peacock no need to get into that again :P its been 3 months?
08:41 jojoa1997 Yeah
08:41 Peacock yeah, let sleeping dogs lie
08:41 jojoa1997 I am making a new mod now
08:41 jojoa1997 Wanna hear about it
08:41 Peacock just make sure you post screenshots :P
08:42 Peacock so many mods with no friggin screens, irritating lol
08:42 Lynxx o.o what's the name?
08:42 jojoa1997 well i am making it in around 34 minutes
08:42 jojoa1997 but
08:42 jojoa1997 it is pretty much
08:43 jojoa1997 i have ore plants that you can get something out of
08:43 jojoa1997 and then you use the essance to either make modifiers or base items
08:43 jojoa1997 the base items make the ore and the modifiers you add to tools to do something
08:44 Lynxx modifiers as in?
08:44 Lynxx oh
08:44 jojoa1997 diamond plant give diamond essence
08:44 Lynxx like making upgrades?
08:44 jojoa1997 which gives a diamond modifier
08:44 jojoa1997 yeah
08:44 Lynxx cool
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08:44 jojoa1997 which makes a better sword
08:44 jojoa1997 like dimaond plated picks with are stone picks with diamond stips
08:45 jojoa1997 so a fater pick withh less abillitieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
08:45 jojoa1997 Gtg
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09:00 Peacock lol @ attempt to grief with fake fire
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09:18 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Pi Approximation Day! :-D
09:19 webdesigner97 hi
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09:55 DanDuncombe There is someone on the forums who is planning on making a zombie survival server. The problem is they seem to spawn anywhere so I have suggested people to be designated as guards. I was thinking, would it be possible for someone to make guard NPCs that wander around and attack any zombies they see, while also being attacked by the zombies.
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10:00 DanDuncombe This is the topic page https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6656
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10:20 proller 04:50:49: ACTION[ServerThread]: akhh times out.
10:20 proller 100+ bots
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10:28 DanDuncombe PilzAdam, your namemeans Mushroom Adam. Why?
10:28 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:30 DanDuncombe Also, what does the 'math' mapgen do?
10:32 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, stop posting google translated things in the forum
10:32 PilzAdam just stop it, you just look dumb
10:32 DanDuncombe Sorry
10:33 DanDuncombe Does it not ,make sense?
10:35 DanDuncombe Okay, just tried mgv7 and all I can find is one huge stone biome. No dirt or trees anywhere.
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10:41 DanDuncombe Buggy water http://i.imgur.com/ew4fWTK.png
10:55 proller use liquid_finite=1
10:56 proller math - fractal generated worlds
10:56 PilzAdam proller, then you have even more buggy water
10:56 MasterBot Thats ICE!
10:56 PilzAdam doesnt fix the problem
10:56 DanDuncombe Not ice
10:56 proller PilzAdam, much less buggy!
10:56 DanDuncombe I hate mgv7
10:56 MasterBot I dont
10:56 MasterBot I dont kknow what it is
10:57 DanDuncombe It is nothing but stone with no dirt or trees
10:57 MasterBot Im guessing Molesting Groping Vandal Version 7 ?
10:57 DanDuncombe MapGen Version 7
10:58 DanDuncombe Also, here are a couple of examples of math generated structures (Math mapgen) https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6664
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11:04 nalkri Chat's done in the engine rather than in Lua, right?
11:04 nalkri And light propagation
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11:07 john_minetest Hello everypony!
11:07 PilzAdam Hi john_pony!
11:08 nalkri but I'm not a pony
11:08 nalkri Why must you shun me?
11:11 DanDuncombe In future versions of Minetest will light still shine through the corners between nodes?
11:15 MasterBot no
11:15 DanDuncombe How are you meant to survive in Mapgen V7?
11:17 john_minetest MasterBot: How can you know?
11:18 MasterBot Same way anyone else can know
11:18 DanDuncombe What?
11:19 john_minetest MasterBot: You are neither in dev team nor in #minetest-dev. Maybe it has been discussed and will be added.
11:19 john_minetest Most likely not, but you can't say "no" without being in the dev team.
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11:31 bas080 I love real bad angel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/835?source=cc
11:31 bas080 he fixed the lighting/shade issue
11:32 PilzAdam I hate real bad angel
11:32 PilzAdam he broke lighting
11:32 PilzAdam :-p
11:32 bas080 Shading looks so much better now for 6facedir
11:32 bas080 PilzAdam, I guess our standards of fixing differs
11:32 Calinou tomorrow: RBA implements nouveau reclocking
11:32 * Calinou runs
11:33 MasterBot ^^^^^And i cant make a joke without someone ruining it
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11:36 PilzAdam bas080, well, breaking some code, waiting a month and then fixing it is enough for you to love me?
11:37 MasterBot I hate PilzAdam
11:37 MasterBot he broke Physics
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11:53 Calinou no u
11:53 Calinou MasterBot: broke physics?
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11:56 PilzAdam Calinou, I guess he cant control what he types
11:56 MasterBot TourettePhremia
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12:21 nalkri` Is it just me or are elegant solutions to mesecon and technic wiring a bitch?
12:22 Calinou it's not that hard to make elegant wiring, probably easier than in MC
12:22 Calinou you can make mesecons into christmas decorations if you want :P
12:22 nalkri` I want it all hidden though, at least in my house
12:22 nalkri` I don't mind exposed lines in workshops
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12:23 RealBadAngel hi all
12:24 PilzAdam hey
12:24 Calinou hi FakeGoodDevil
12:24 * Calinou runs
12:24 RealBadAngel hehe
12:24 RealBadAngel whats up?
12:24 PilzAdam actually Deamon would fit better than Devil
12:24 PilzAdam hes not RealBadGod
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12:25 RealBadAngel but theres simple opposition angel vs devil
12:26 nalkri` (fall angel) or (rise daemon)
12:26 RealBadAngel anybody knows Heroes of Might and Magic series?
12:26 Calinou yes
12:26 RealBadAngel im a fan of it, especially III
12:26 nalkri` Good games
12:27 nalkri` III with the expansions
12:27 nalkri` Heroes of Mine and Test?
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12:27 RealBadAngel im still playin HoMM3
12:27 nalkri` I might install it again :)
12:27 RealBadAngel and i mean online
12:28 RealBadAngel you want to face 3rd player of Poland?
12:28 nalkri` right now I want to build my house :)
12:28 RealBadAngel also in TOH i was rather well ranked
12:29 RealBadAngel first ten
12:29 RealBadAngel circa 250-300 games played per season
12:30 RealBadAngel for the ranking of course
12:35 RealBadAngel http://www.toheroes.com/history/season5/emperor.html
12:35 RealBadAngel im there somwhere below ;)
12:36 RealBadAngel most of the loses because of Wuderior from the 1st place
12:36 RealBadAngel we played hot seats, and hes a lucky bastard :)
12:47 john_minetest Yay, just did a perfect landing on a moon gate in kerbal space program!
12:47 ruskie yay
12:50 MasterBot yay
12:50 Calinou yey
12:50 MasterBot gay
12:51 Calinou john_minetest: now, fart on the moon for 50 bonus points.
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13:03 Zeg9 Since when does the forum use https ? o.o
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13:09 * john_minetest will fly to ecuador soon
13:20 RealBadAngel God speed
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13:52 BlockMen hi
13:53 Exio4 hi
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14:41 Ego Changed port and yet people are still logging on to my non-publicly listed server... wat
14:41 Ego Where are these being announced?
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14:42 PilzAdam people save it in their favorites
14:42 PilzAdam so they always try to connect to the old port
14:44 john_minetest RealBadAngel: London - Sydney in 2 hours could be possible soon!
14:44 nalkri` john_minetest: suborbital?
14:44 john_minetest nalkri`: Exactly.
14:45 proller Ego,  http://servers.minetest.net/ ?
14:45 john_minetest "As of 2008, the SpaceShipThree concept spacecraft will be used for transportation through point-to-point suborbital spaceflight. This service could provide, for example, a two-hour trip from London to Sydney or Melbourne. (Kangaroo Route)"
14:45 nalkri` Awesom!
14:45 nalkri` +e
14:46 PilzAdam john_minetest, KSP doesnt work for me :-(
14:46 john_minetest PilzAdam: Well, works for me.
14:46 john_minetest Windows 7, 64 bit.
14:47 Ego Yep, definitely being announced there, Proller, how do I stop that from occuring?
14:47 john_minetest bb in a few hours
14:47 proller server_announce = 0
14:47 Ego I have that set in my .conf..
14:50 Ego http://i.imgur.com/cd0cCQP.png
14:50 Ego Yet it shows up in public list..
14:50 Ego Halp wat do
14:51 proller server reports something like  18:47:51: ACTION[ServerThread]: announcing to servers.minetest.net  ??
14:53 proller maybe server_announce duplicated?
14:53 Ego It never says that in the debug, yet there it is on the public servers list. =/
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15:06 Zeg9 http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1374505558.png
15:07 * Jordach wonders if that is Mind-Mu
15:07 Jordach mi*
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15:07 Zeg9 nop, this is minetest_game
15:08 Jordach less blur, more sharp
15:08 Jordach sfan5, move this to modding general https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101341#p101341
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15:10 rubenwardy Hi all!
15:10 Calinou hi rubenwardy
15:10 Jordach hey rubenwardy two days of school leftr
15:10 Jordach -r
15:10 Jordach been playing monopoly today, i own the top end, as usual
15:11 rubenwardy I broke up almost 2 months ago
15:11 rubenwardy yr 11
15:11 Jordach lucky
15:12 Jordach although most of the time i have been finishing off tidbits and playing board games
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15:20 Zeg9 Jordach, http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1374506358.png
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15:20 Jordach MOAR SHARP
15:20 Calinou the way images are loaded is weird
15:20 Calinou it's... pixelized while you load it
15:20 Zeg9 this is called interpolation
15:20 Zeg9 Adam7 :-p
15:22 pitriss Please i want to know something about pipe mod.. I want to put some automation into crafting.. Do I need "filter" after every autocrafter?
15:22 Zeg9 yes, you do.
15:23 Zeg9 Use blinky plants if you don't want to trigger them by hand everytime ;-)
15:23 pitriss oh okay, ty.
15:24 pitriss Zeg9: I found better solution (and faster) not gate... if you connect that you make "short circuit" then it is generating pulses:D
15:24 rubenwardy https://koding.com/ is amazing
15:25 Zeg9 pitriss, I know about that, but they stop every time you restart the server
15:25 Zeg9 in this case you should add a button, so you can start them again :p
15:25 pitriss Zeg9: TY for tip:D
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15:28 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/hkDPlRA.png <- my second time texturing in aseprite
15:29 OldCoder R
15:29 OldCoder Looks good
15:29 Jordach anyone up for a toony sort of tp
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15:31 Jordach hello rotor112
15:31 rotor112 hi
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15:31 DanDuncombe Help https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6667
15:31 Calinou 6667 nice try :P
15:32 rotor112 I used it last time
15:32 Jordach err what
15:32 DanDuncombe What
15:32 * Jordach points at Calinou
15:32 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6666
15:32 Calinou quite outdated signature :P
15:33 DanDuncombe It wasn't meant to mean anything by 6667
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15:33 rotor112 object:is_player()
15:33 jojoa1997 back
15:33 Jordach ^ spammer
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15:33 PilzAdam front
15:33 DanDuncombe how fo I change it so it is all entities but items though?
15:33 jojoa1997 me?
15:34 Jordach not items, or just applied to itms
15:34 Jordach items*
15:34 DanDuncombe Not items
15:34 Jordach okay, now we know
15:34 rotor112 for _, object in pairs(minetest.env:get_objects_inside_radius({x = pos.x, y = pos.y+0.5, z = pos.z}, .5)) do
15:34 Calinou PilzAdam: sides
15:34 Calinou jojoa1997: wb :)
15:34 PilzAdam oh fuck
15:35 jojoa1997 what
15:35 DanDuncombe I mean, what do I change to that one line?
15:35 PilzAdam I violated rule 1: "Never show up if jojoa1997 is arround"
15:35 jojoa1997 Calinou thanks
15:35 * jojoa1997 evily laughs
15:35 jojoa1997 also why that rule
15:35 Calinou PilzAdam: no that's rule 33
15:35 foka Thank you for a wonderful game!  I am enjoying Minetest 0.4.7 package from Debian, installed on Ubuntu.  :-)
15:35 Calinou not the best practice ever, foka
15:35 Calinou but it works :P
15:35 foka ?
15:36 Calinou usually you shouldn't use debian packages on ubuntu
15:36 Calinou but most of the time it works
15:36 rotor112 I think obj can only be an object
15:36 * Jordach has 3,299 posts <- PilzAdam
15:36 foka Calinou: True, hehe.
15:36 jojoa1997 sweet i get a rule :P
15:36 PilzAdam Jordach, 2995 here
15:36 Jordach -1000
15:36 DanDuncombe So how do I cahnge it
15:36 Jordach posts = windows 95
15:36 PilzAdam we live in time of great changes
15:36 rotor112 !sfu Jordach
15:36 MinetestBot rotor112: No Results found
15:36 Jordach !sfu Jordach
15:36 MinetestBot Jordach: No Results found
15:36 Jordach !sfu jordach
15:36 MinetestBot Jordach: No Results found
15:36 jojoa1997 PilzAdam i can still catch up
15:36 PilzAdam sfan5, ^ !sfu broken
15:36 Jordach sfan5, ^
15:37 rotor112 maybe because of https
15:37 Jordach MinetestBot!
15:37 MinetestBot Jordach!
15:37 jojoa1997 so far i went down two slots due to a 3 month absence
15:37 rotor112 MinetestBot!
15:37 MinetestBot rotor112!
15:37 DanDuncombe Please help guys
15:37 * Jordach suggets post rate cap on jojoa1997
15:37 * Calinou is backing up his /home to external HDD
15:37 Calinou (finally)
15:37 DanDuncombe MinetestBot!
15:37 MinetestBot DanDuncombe!
15:37 Ego disable_anticheat = false  Is there for like, packet editors?
15:37 Jordach Calinou, \o/
15:37 * jojoa1997 looks at who is #1
15:37 rotor112 this checks if it's an itemif not object:is_player() and l and l.name == "__builtin:item" then
15:37 Jordach jojoa1997, who'd ya think
15:38 jojoa1997 yeah but you talk about rate cap
15:38 Ego Anyone know why a server would announce itself public regardless of server_announce = 0 being set in the conf?
15:38 Calinou then it isn't set up properly, make sure you only have one _uncommented_ entry of it
15:38 Jordach jojoa1997, fun fact, i dont actually post that often
15:38 Calinou commented is when it's preceded by a #
15:39 Ego I do only have one uncommented presence of it, there are no commented lines in my conf
15:39 jojoa1997 man it is good to be back. Minecraft might be a full game but the community is all worried about how many times their thing was downloaded and how they can get money from their server
15:39 Jordach only during late at night i start to post
15:39 DanDuncombe Please help
15:39 rotor112 Zeg9: I thought it's called interlace, not -polation
15:39 Calinou jojoa1997: true story *holds glass of wine*
15:39 jojoa1997 so Jordach you are always late up at night
15:39 Calinou same thing applies to mods and texture packs :P
15:39 Zeg9 rotor112: yeah, it's interlace
15:39 Calinou and this is why FOSS is good
15:39 jojoa1997 yeah
15:39 jojoa1997 and the adly/mediafire is a nightmare
15:39 Ego There are no commented lines in my conf, and only one server_announce, Calinou
15:40 jojoa1997 what is FOSS CAlinou?
15:40 DanDuncombe help please
15:40 Calinou free and open source software
15:40 rotor112 so you only don't want that obj is a node
15:41 Calinou jojoa1997: well, we have adblock, but you still have to wait a few seconds
15:41 jojoa1997 DanDunCube what is the problem
15:41 Ego Calinou, it also doesn't say it's announcing the server to public in the debug when it's starting the server.
15:41 rotor112 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6667
15:41 DanDuncombe Basically I am changing the turet mod's code and I want it to shoot players and mobs,not jjust players
15:41 PilzAdam Jordach, 2996
15:41 rotor112 for _, obj in pairs(minetest.env:get_objects_inside_radius({x = pos.x, y = pos.y+0.5, z = pos.z}, .5)) do
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15:42 jojoa1997 has anyone made a new mob mod
15:42 rotor112 try zmos
15:42 PilzAdam Jordach, 2997
15:42 rotor112 zmobs*
15:42 thefamilygrog66 I've messed around with PilzAdam's simplemobs quite a bit, to customize it for my server, but I wouldn't say it's a "new mob mod"
15:43 Jordach 3,200 PilzAdam
15:43 jojoa1997 i meant new monds
15:43 jojoa1997 thefamilygrog66 what is your server name
15:43 rotor112 try if not l.name == "__builtin:item" then
15:43 foka I have (re-?)started the Minetest page on Wikipedia.  But I was surprised that it went through a "Delete" dispute before...  Sad...
15:43 thefamilygrog66 it's not public (yet), jojoa1997
15:44 rotor112 sorry
15:44 foka I am new to Minetest, so please feel free to fix any errors you find on the page:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest
15:44 rotor112 if not obj:get_luaentity().name == "__builtin:item" then
15:44 DanDuncombe Okay, I have changed the code on the forum page to show the whole abm because I still don't know what to vhange
15:44 Zeg9 foka: Good luck not getting it deleted :P
15:44 nalkri` foka: for modding I'd use a sentence not a word
15:45 nalkri` Something like "Minetest supports extensive scripting and extensions via Lua"
15:45 Calinou >wikipedia minetest page
15:45 rotor112 DanDuncombe: or not obj:get_luaentity().name == "__builtin:item" then
15:45 * Calinou spins minigun
15:45 Calinou foka: your page is going to be hammered
15:45 Zeg9 DanDuncombe: or you can check if the entity's name starts with "animals" or "mob"
15:46 foka nalkri`: Thanks for catching that!  I was using Wesnoth as a template, but did not know what to write (I am lazy, haha)
15:46 Calinou huh, what does minetest have to do with battle for wesnoth :P
15:46 jojoa1997 because BFW is amasing
15:46 jojoa1997 amazing
15:46 Calinou foka: sad? well, wikipedia's userbase is 25% of minecraft fanboys, 25% of mathematicians, 25% of bronies and 25% of ubuntu users
15:47 Jordach foka, 5$ if the wikipedia inbred minecraft fanboy's manage to delete the page
15:47 DanDuncombe Instead of saying in here pleaes say the code corrections on the forum page in the whole abm because I don't know eher to put that line
15:47 nalkri` foka: and "Minetest has its own offers..." isn't English, remove "has its own"
15:47 nalkri` "experiment with and extend"
15:47 nalkri` I should probably just figure out what my Wikipedia account is
15:47 Zeg9 foka: maybe define "infinite" (from -31000 to 31000 in all directions)
15:47 Calinou have fun defending your page, anyway
15:48 foka Calinou: Both are open-source, and both are great game.  I also looked at Minecraft's page to copy some of the categories
15:48 Calinou it is going to be deleted because minetest isn't "notable".
15:48 DanDuncombe To make it easier can it apply to JUST mobs?
15:48 khonkhortisan minetest has its own offers, it might receive a dirt cube.
15:48 Calinou YET, it is more played than games like Red Eclipse.
15:48 foka By the way, is the original version of the page still around by any chance?
15:48 Calinou which ARE on wikipedia.
15:48 Calinou foka: it's not because it's a great game it'll stay on wikipedia
15:49 Zeg9 Let's fork wikipedia x)
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15:50 jojoa1997 lol
15:50 Ego I take it you have no clue either, Calinou.
15:50 foka Calinou: Indeed, it just didn't seem fair.  Who was that Mr. Stradivarius anyway?
15:50 thefamilygrog66 I tried creating a page for my recording project, which has been released on vinyl and CD in various countries around the world, and wikipedia removed it as well - jerks.
15:50 Calinou Ego: I don't :/
15:50 Jordach \o/ http://i.imgur.com/AzLXYVN.jpg someone plays with moretrees with fancy trees on
15:50 Calinou foka: no idea
15:51 jojoa1997 is there a way to define biuomes
15:51 Calinou I do Jordach :P
15:51 Calinou biuomes? no
15:51 Calinou biomes? yes
15:51 jojoa1997 i remmember somone makiung something ages ago
15:51 Zeg9 Jordach: I want to know the fps
15:51 jojoa1997 biomes
15:51 Zeg9 jojoa1997: yes
15:51 jojoa1997 hwo
15:51 jojoa1997 how
15:51 Zeg9 jojoa1997 https://github.com/Zeg9/mind-mi/blob/master/mods/ground/init.lua#L34
15:51 Jordach jojoa1997, Zeg9: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=55526#p55526
15:52 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=55395#p55395 *
15:52 rotor112 I know a leaves node which uses glasslike
15:52 Jordach peh
15:52 jojoa1997 PilzAdam you should get someone who has played minecraft to help you with MiniTest
15:52 Jordach <- has
15:53 * rotor112 not
15:53 PilzAdam jojoa1997, I have played Minecraft
15:53 jojoa1997 you bought it?
15:53 jojoa1997 i thought you didnt
15:53 PilzAdam of course not
15:54 * DanDuncombe plays Minecraft sometimes and has bought it
15:54 jojoa1997 i meant who plays it regularly
15:54 DanDuncombe I play it quite often
15:54 DanDuncombe I can't remember all the details though
15:54 DanDuncombe Just look at the Mc wiki
15:54 jojoa1997 DanDuncombe what server
15:54 Zeg9 I played minecraft a lot then got bored
15:54 DanDuncombe What server???
15:55 * jojoa1997 confusion muwhahaha
15:55 DanDuncombe I normally played singleplayer...
15:55 jojoa1997 oh
15:55 Zeg9 I hosted a server and even made a few bukkit plugins :-P
15:55 jojoa1997 well i do too but just use servers for minigames
15:55 BlockMen Bye
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15:55 jojoa1997 Zeg is it still there
15:56 Zeg9 jojoa1997: nop (self-hosting)
15:56 jojoa1997 oh
15:56 Zeg9 We made so much worlds and used so much plugins there, it was taking 2GB ram and 1 entire CPU core :P
15:57 jojoa1997 PilzAdam when will you add carts to minetest_game
15:57 foka Thank you, Zeg9 and nalkri`, for your corrections and suggestions!
15:57 Zeg9 no problem
15:57 nalkri` Do mobs work, when I played before simplemobs caused all sorts of issues
15:58 khonkhortisan when carts stay on track
15:58 jojoa1997 guys i have an idea
15:58 DanDuncombe what is it
15:58 jojoa1997 we should add a forge mod and have all the mods either go into one filk or zipped files in a mods folder
15:58 jojoa1997 file
15:59 PilzAdam jojoa1997, you sound like an idiot if you say "guys i have an idea"
15:59 * jojoa1997 was being sarcastic
15:59 khonkhortisan so you don't have an idea?
15:59 jojoa1997 actually i do
15:59 jojoa1997 but that is for a mod i am making
16:00 Zeg9 loading zip'ped mods would be better as a change to the engine y'know
16:00 Zeg9 I can't imagine implementing a lua .zip reader :-D
16:00 PilzAdam inb4 modmanager steps in
16:00 jojoa1997 why loading zip mods
16:00 jojoa1997 though how does this new mods.minetest.net work
16:01 Zeg9 WHO THE HECK ALLOWED .RAR THERE
16:01 PilzAdam Zeg9, your capslock is on
16:01 Zeg9 I know. I got mad, sorry.
16:03 * Jordach might throw .rar in there
16:03 DanDuncombe I managed to make the thing shoot mobs but now it doesn't damage them.
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16:04 DanDuncombe fixed
16:05 rotor112 DanDuncombe: you can't easily get their position
16:05 rotor112 can you?
16:06 Zeg9 rotor: why not?
16:06 rotor112 ok.. will you edit the exchange mod? https://github.com/Zeg9/minetest-exchange
16:07 Zeg9 I don't think so, feel free to fork it :-)
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16:08 jojoa1997 i saw in the api.txt "- nodebox -- See below. EXPERIMENTAL" how is nodebox still experimental
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16:12 PilzAdam MinetestBot, spam pls
16:12 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix enable mod/enable button not shown on entering world config dialog 4f3bc05a5b 2013-07-22T09:10:00-07:00 http://git.io/G-B5JA
16:12 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix bug in world creation b3db44f801 2013-07-22T09:10:00-07:00 http://git.io/SHaGgw
16:12 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add missing header/footer for singleplayer tab 4e2b394ae8 2013-07-22T09:10:00-07:00 http://git.io/FuoXKQ
16:12 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Remove debug output e7ba4777fe 2013-07-22T09:10:00-07:00 http://git.io/YdhSaA
16:13 PilzAdam sfan5, ^
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16:13 PilzAdam ShadowBot, op MinetestBot
16:13 rotor112 hi, MinetestBot
16:13 DanDuncombe Now I need help with something else https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101413#p101413
16:14 rotor112 such a mod already exists
16:15 DanDuncombe It is based on the turret mod but I need to make it actually kill mobs- now  it shoots them not the player but doesn't do them damage
16:16 rotor112 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3836
16:16 rotor112 the video is broken
16:17 thefamilygrog66 you still here, jojoa1997?
16:17 jojoa1997 yes
16:17 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Disable gamemanager by default a38f8d9900 2013-07-22T09:16:36-07:00 http://git.io/Sa544A
16:17 Calinou DanDuncombe: jordan4ibanez is banned, he won't answer
16:17 DanDuncombe The whole point is, this is that mod- except it kills mobs not players
16:17 Calinou but since he didn't specify a license, it means "no"
16:17 thefamilygrog66 I pasted my modified version of instabuild here:
16:17 thefamilygrog66 http://pastebin.com/CbkGm3bk
16:17 thefamilygrog66 it's there for an hour
16:18 DanDuncombe Why  thefamilygrog66?
16:18 jojoa1997 tjhanks
16:18 jojoa1997 thanks
16:19 DanDuncombe And my mod won't be the same as jordan4ibanez's one- mine has different shape, textures and puropose.
16:19 thefamilygrog66 DanDuncombe, jojoa1997 wanted to see how I modded that mod...
16:19 DanDuncombe Modded what mod?
16:19 thefamilygrog66 instabuild
16:19 rotor112 the textures don't look different
16:19 DanDuncombe Also you know that is an illegal version
16:19 DanDuncombe rotor112 my textures for turrets are different.
16:20 jojoa1997 DanDuncombe in the world of opensource when you borrow code from others it still matters what the license is
16:20 thefamilygrog66 illegal whatnow?
16:20 jojoa1997 i think
16:20 rotor112 I meant the instabuild
16:20 DanDuncombe I made the instabuild mod,turnsout it was illegal so sfan5 gave me the modified legal version that used worldedit api instead of stolen code.
16:21 DanDuncombe He said I could license it under CC-By-SA
16:21 rotor112 and this is stolen, too https://github.com/HybridDog/nuke
16:21 DanDuncombe Is that the nuke mod ?
16:21 jojoa1997 say PilzAdam will you ever add switches into the carts mod again
16:21 rotor112 it was
16:22 DanDuncombe Can anyone help me with my version of turret mod?
16:22 rotor112 now it's a changed nuke mod
16:22 thefamilygrog66 DanDuncombe, that's why I'd requested my instacabin mod (based on "stolen" code, as you put it) post removed from the forums
16:22 DanDuncombe My instabuild mod is legal though now
16:23 thefamilygrog66 that's great
16:23 DanDuncombe It doesn't use stolen Worldedit code. The pastebin you just made is of an old version.
16:23 DanDuncombe that was illegal.
16:23 thefamilygrog66 if you say so
16:23 DanDuncombe Ask sfan5 if you must.
16:23 thefamilygrog66 I've already been through this, man
16:24 DanDuncombe Been through what?
16:24 thefamilygrog66 the whole licensing thing - as I mentioned, I didn't want to upset anyone, so I requested my mod be removed from the forum
16:25 DanDuncombe Basically: My mod is now legal and is licensed under CC-By-SA. It has a Worldedit Dependency. thefamilygrog66 is credited with original idea. Full Stop.
16:25 thefamilygrog66 sure, that's fine -
16:25 DanDuncombe You are credited with the idea you know.
16:25 rotor112 but this is stolen https://github.com/HybridDog/nuke
16:26 thefamilygrog66 that's cool, though instacabin doesn't exist on the forums anymore
16:26 DanDuncombe It looks like it is.
16:26 DanDuncombe thefamilygrog66: Do you have a github account?
16:26 thefamilygrog66 yep
16:26 DanDuncombe Do you want to maybe help me add more buildings to Instabuild? It is now on Github...
16:27 DanDuncombe You can be co-developer :)
16:28 DanDuncombe Also, can anyone help me with making my version of the turret mod actually hurt mobs?
16:29 thefamilygrog66 haha, I'd rather just play around with code than design buildings
16:30 thefamilygrog66 btw, the modified version I posted on pastebin removes all the recipes, it just randomly spawns structures, sort of like villages - that's the part that jojoa1997 wanted to see
16:30 DanDuncombe Yep.
16:30 DanDuncombe As it's an abm though wouldn't the world gradually be 'overgrown' with buildings?
16:31 rotor112 I waited for an answer http://bit.ly/1dQ5XUa
16:31 thefamilygrog66 exactly, hence the 10 minute interval, and 3000 chance...
16:31 DanDuncombe And can someone please help with the turret mod?
16:31 DanDuncombe It will be an addition to my camo Modpack
16:32 DanDuncombe I may also recommend it for the guy trying to make a zombie survival server
16:32 thefamilygrog66 strangely enough, it tends to lump the structures together like villages
16:32 jojoa1997 who awoke me
16:32 DanDuncombe PLEASE can someone help?
16:32 DanDuncombe https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6667
16:33 jojoa1997 has RBA made a way to allow mods to work like inventory plus
16:33 thefamilygrog66 I see you used my registration loop for instabuild, DanDuncombe
16:33 DanDuncombe I basically get my machine gun noise and can see it shooting the mob but no damage is done.
16:34 thefamilygrog66 kaeza would be the guy, I think
16:34 thefamilygrog66 I haven't looked at his firearms code at all
16:34 DanDuncombe It supposedly damages the entities but just doesn't
16:34 DanDuncombe It can't even kill rats
16:35 thefamilygrog66 damned rats
16:35 thefamilygrog66 is it based on firearms at all?
16:35 DanDuncombe Do
16:35 DanDuncombe *no
16:35 DanDuncombe If you see in the code it should damage all entities except players.
16:35 thefamilygrog66 in that case, you might want to take a look at the code for that one, to see what kaeza did
16:35 DanDuncombe I will do now.
16:36 DanDuncombe Will be afk for a bit.
16:37 * MinetestBot ist weiblich
16:37 PilzAdam ooops
16:37 thefamilygrog66 haha
16:37 DanDuncombe Firearms was un helpful
16:38 thefamilygrog66 MinetestBot is a lady?
16:39 thefamilygrog66 maybe PilzAdam can help, Dan
16:40 DanDuncombe PilzAdam: Can you please help with this? It won't damage any of your simplemobs mobs.https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6667
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16:41 jojoa1997 where is the enable all mods button
16:41 thexyz wtf why would you put spam in quit message
16:41 jojoa1997 what?
16:41 thefamilygrog66 has anyone notice graphical issues with the latest daily build?
16:41 jojoa1997 i forgot i had a quit message
16:42 thefamilygrog66 *noticed
16:42 PenguinDad I think he means rotor112.
16:42 PilzAdam thefamilygrog66, with water?
16:42 thexyz yes
16:42 PilzAdam jojoa1997, the enable all button is at the top right
16:43 thefamilygrog66 with everything PilzAdam, at least yesterday's build - it didn't seem to matter which server I was on, there were bizarre "bars" of colour seemingly emanating from my player
16:43 thefamilygrog66 vector-like, hard to explain
16:44 thefamilygrog66 when I would rotate, they "fanned out", so to speak
16:44 PenguinDad That's your aura :D
16:44 thefamilygrog66 my aura is like broken glass, apparently!
16:45 PenguinDad Just kidding
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16:45 DanDuncombe PLease can someone help with the turret
16:46 jojoa1997 in technic how do i get enrgy from a water mill
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16:46 PenguinDad jojoa1997: have you latest git of technic?
16:47 jojoa1997 technic game
16:47 jojoa1997 found out
16:47 jojoa1997 must place wire under mill
16:47 Ego Anyone know how to make mobs able to destroy blocks?
16:47 DanDuncombe PLease can someone help with the turret mod?!?!
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16:55 hdastwb Ego: the only destructive mobs that I know of are boombombs and dungeon masters; in terms of how to make something destroy things in mods, use minetest.remove_node(pos) or the new VoxelManip thing
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16:58 DanDuncombe Please can someone help???????
16:58 bas080 Whatsup DanDuncombe?
16:59 DanDuncombe https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6667
16:59 bas080 A turret, cool!
16:59 DanDuncombe It just wom't hurt the mobs
17:00 bas080 but it will hurt players?
17:00 DanDuncombe No, no, no, it should kill mobs, and avoid players. I will make a seperate player- killing one
17:01 DanDuncombe It just somehow doesn't injure them.
17:01 jojoa1997 anyone here good with pipeworks
17:02 DanDuncombe Kind of
17:03 Ego Sounds good, Hdastwb, thanks.  I want to make my zombies tear down houses to get to ya!
17:03 DanDuncombe My mod will soon hopefully KILL YOUR ZOMBIES!
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17:04 bas080 Did you check the self.timer value?
17:04 DanDuncombe Does anyone have a solution to my turret problem
17:04 DanDuncombe I tried changing it and nothing happened.
17:04 bas080 Maybe it stays stuck at time 0 or 1
17:05 bas080 ok
17:05 bas080 Why not remove that completely as you do not need to check for that as the turret is a node
17:06 bas080 Or do you have an entity for the turret turning head?
17:06 DanDuncombe No the turret is a node.
17:07 DanDuncombe Which self.timer do you mean?
17:07 bas080 the one on line 70
17:08 jojoa1997 what is this CPD stuff in the server list
17:08 bas080 I think the only function of the timer is to avoid hitting the player that shoots the arrow
17:08 DanDuncombe The node shoots the arrows
17:09 DanDuncombe at mobs.The player is completely ignored because if the if not
17:11 bas080 " if not obj:is_player() then" that should be good
17:12 DanDuncombe That bit does work. I tried it.
17:12 DanDuncombe It shoots any entity that isn't a player.
17:12 PilzAdam Jordach, 2999
17:13 PilzAdam what should I do now?
17:13 bas080 have you defined ARROW_DAMAGE?
17:14 DanDuncombe Yep
17:14 DanDuncombe ARROW_DAMAGE = 6
17:14 bas080 is it a value larger then 0
17:14 bas080 ok
17:14 DanDuncombe I can't see what the problem is.
17:14 DanDuncombe ARROW_VELOCITY = 4 is the speed of the bullet.
17:15 pandaro PilzAdam can you find me a job (paid position)
17:15 PilzAdam hm?
17:15 bas080 are you sure self.timer is larger then 1 once it is near the mob?
17:15 pandaro Adam I need a job.
17:16 DanDuncombe It is currentlyat 0.2
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17:16 PilzAdam pandaro, and why do you ask me then?
17:16 pandaro you ask:" what should I do now?"
17:17 DanDuncombe I can see the bullet fly through the air and hit the mob.
17:17 PilzAdam I asked Jordach
17:17 pandaro sorry
17:17 bas080 but unless self.timer is not larger then 1 it will not damage the mob
17:17 bas080 Remove the if self.timer>1 then ... end
17:17 bas080 and i think it should work
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17:18 DanDuncombe I then get a failed to run init.lua
17:19 Pentium44 so, PilzAdam, where is this mod database that is being created???
17:19 Pentium44 I would like to see it
17:19 bas080 DanDuncombe, debug it then and let me know if it works
17:20 DanDuncombe bas080 The mod loads in game just doesn't hurt mobs
17:20 DanDuncombe It fires the bullets and everything
17:20 bas080 DanDuncombe, private chat?
17:20 PilzAdam Pentium44, dunno, ask iqualfragile
17:21 Pentium44 mkay
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17:31 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6667
17:35 Pentium44 wow...
17:37 PilzAdam Jordach, 3000
17:38 PilzAdam I officially have no life anymore
17:39 Pentium44 PilzAdam, when you start minetest, you cannot stop :D
17:41 jojoa1997 good bulk of PilzAdams post = Kill all newbies
17:41 jojoa1997 jk :P
17:41 Pentium44 most likely :P
17:51 jojoa1997 would it be possible to make the server list show how many people are on
17:52 Calinou jojoa1997: http://servers.minetest.net
17:52 Calinou it is currently unavailable in menu
17:52 PilzAdam ehm
17:53 Calinou wow
17:53 Calinou 54 players playing?
17:53 Calinou that's way more than xonotic or red eclipse, or even sauerbraten
17:55 Calinou O_o background is broken in latest git?
17:55 Calinou it's just brown
17:55 Calinou oh player count appears now
17:55 PilzAdam have you clouds disabled?
17:55 Calinou jojoa1997: update to latest git
17:55 Calinou yes
17:56 Calinou that makes no sense to disable it just because you have clouds off...
17:56 Calinou oh there's a mod manager too! cool :D
17:56 PilzAdam well, if you disable clouds then there are no clouse </suprise>
17:56 Calinou minetest logo is missing in credits, too
17:57 PilzAdam *clouds
17:57 PilzAdam not really
17:57 * Jordach laughs
17:57 Jordach SunriseTest has died
17:57 Jordach (well, a while ago when Host1Free went up the shitter!)
17:58 Calinou old news, Jordach
17:58 PilzAdam Jordach, there are now 2 people with >= 3000 posts
17:58 Calinou PilzAdam: the clouds appear in the loading screen
17:58 Calinou PilzAdam should work at canonical
17:58 Jordach PilzAdam, heh
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18:05 * Jordach starts drawing some tools
18:11 jojoa1997 the mod manager needs work
18:11 jojoa1997 there is no select all for the mods
18:11 Calinou select ALL the mods
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18:12 PilzAdam jojoa1997, there is
18:12 jojoa1997 there should be one button
18:12 jojoa1997 instead i have to do it by mod
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18:25 Kacey hey anyone good at making textures?
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18:30 Jordach hm? textures?
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18:36 Kacey bbl
18:41 Jordach Sam II(?) in Aseprite:  http://i.imgur.com/iiprD84.png
18:42 Jordach (fuck limited pallettes, had to take liberties)
18:42 Jordach but then there's the challenge, the pallette
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18:42 Jordach hello OldCoder
18:43 Jordach ShadowNinja, does ShadowBot regain OP when it is lost?
18:43 OldCoder
18:43 Jordach OldCoder, you really need to sort these strange empty lines
18:43 PilzAdam yea, the empty lines are really annyoing
18:43 PilzAdam please stop it in this channel
18:44 * Jordach wonders if ShadowBot's flood detector is ticking as usual
18:44 Exio4 hi weird people
18:47 OldCoder Jordach, PilzAdam that is unreasonable. They are not strange and serve a purpose. They are not flooding or spam.
18:47 * OldCoder is also not clear about what the word "sort" means in this context.
18:47 OldCoder D:
18:47 * Calinou puts something to smelt in OldCoder's head
18:47 PilzAdam there is a reason why nobody else does it in IRC
18:48 PilzAdam this is not a document
18:48 OldCoder Grilled Cheese sandwich Calinou? And PilzAdam stop and think about what you are saying. It does not quite parse.
18:48 Jordach OldCoder, you running Perl in your head or something?
18:48 jojoa1997 fight
18:48 OldCoder Jordach, Perl. Hmm.
18:49 * OldCoder will consider the question. jojoa1997 hi!
18:49 jojoa1997 Hi OldCoder. Long time no see
18:49 OldCoder jojoa1997, I have been here all along. But able to chat a bit more for now.
18:50 OldCoder Also working on a new server. There is a ports issue being debugged. New server is fast enough to handle quite a lot.
18:50 jojoa1997 yeah but i have been gone for 3 months
18:50 OldCoder Ah. Welcome back then.
18:50 thexyz I remade main wiki page http://wiki.minetest.net/User:Xyz/Main_Page
18:50 OldCoder R
18:50 OldCoder Looks fine
18:50 PilzAdam thexyz, why blue?
18:51 jojoa1997 looks better
18:51 thexyz PilzAdam: http://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page
18:51 thexyz I didn't change any colors
18:51 jojoa1997 i think that minetest should code a recipe veiwer thing for minetest. and also have a key binded to it
18:51 Calinou LPGL => LGPL
18:52 jojoa1997 people might get lost on how to create stuff for mods
18:52 Calinou PilzAdam: minetest will soon reach 3000 commits :D github finally tells you exact amount at > 1000
18:52 Calinou jojoa1997: craft_guide
18:52 thexyz alright, I'll replace it then
18:52 jojoa1997 Calinou yeah crafting guide
18:53 jojoa1997 but with some mods i have to use a crafting guide which i dont like useing due to non user friendlyness just to know how to do something
18:53 jojoa1997 a guide in lua would be faster and can be key binded
18:53 thexyz now, how're we going to document things?
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18:55 thexyz be it mods or modpacks
18:55 jojoa1997 what do you mean
18:56 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101462#p101462 epic BBCode skills
18:58 PilzAdam Jordach, 3001
18:59 jojoa1997 oh please
18:59 jojoa1997 PilzAdam go buy yourself a prize for reaching a worthless goal
18:59 Calinou better than graphitemaster's goal
18:59 thexyz jojoa1997: how should we structurize information about mods
19:00 jojoa1997 what do yuo mean info
19:00 Jordach jojoa1997 vs PilzAdam
19:00 * Jordach eats popcorn
19:00 PilzAdam !kick jojoa1997 I win
19:00 jojoa1997 was kicked by MinetestBot: I win
19:00 Calinou Mods/Mod Name/Node Name?
19:00 * PilzAdam eats the rest of Jordach's popcorn
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19:00 thexyz Calinou: that's way too much, don't you think?
19:00 jojoa1997 and i am back
19:01 thexyz writing about each and every node
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19:01 Calinou that's true
19:01 Calinou most nodes are decorative, or have a small use that can be explained quickly
19:01 Calinou a single page Mods/Mod Name which groups all the nodes/items/crafts could be enough, if done well
19:02 Calinou but this is harder to apply to the default game :P
19:02 jojoa1997 thexyz you mean for my craftguide idea
19:02 thexyz well, it should be Mod:Default, not Mods/Default
19:02 Calinou usually MW namespaces are /
19:02 nalkri Why not just put docstrings into the definitions and have a system to query them in game?
19:02 thexyz Calinou: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Namespaces
19:02 Calinou nvm
19:02 thexyz > Namespaces are indicated in page titles by prefixing the page name with "namespace:"
19:02 thexyz I was surprised as well
19:02 Calinou didn't know you could create your own namespaces
19:03 jojoa1997 maybe there could be a secondary description string in minetest for information about items
19:03 thexyz Calinou: well it should be configured in localsettings.php
19:04 thexyz the main problem is that current wiki assumes user uses minetest_game
19:05 thexyz it also tries to mimic minecraft wiki
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19:05 jojoa1997 maybe for every game in the games section on the forum the wiki could make a page
19:06 jojoa1997 and on the side there could be a tab that you choose what game you are in'
19:07 john_minetest Is anybody working on a shadow shader for minetest?
19:08 thexyz jojoa1997: that's quite interesting idea
19:08 thexyz jojoa1997: but then how should this "game" page look like?
19:08 thexyz like, you chose a game, now what?
19:08 jojoa1997 i said it wrong
19:08 jojoa1997 actually ncvm
19:08 jojoa1997 nvm
19:08 jojoa1997 wait
19:09 jojoa1997 um maybe in the game section there could be a page for all the tools and one for all the items
19:09 john_minetest A page for every game. Screenshots, a good description and a link to the download/forum. Bottom of the page contains a box where all games are listed.
19:09 jojoa1997 the maker of the game could choose what goes where but you see the basics
19:10 jojoa1997 for the tools you could just read the minetest.register_tool and see what the groups are
19:10 thexyz games consist of mods so it's more natural to create a page for each mod, then link to those from game's page
19:10 john_minetest I think the game sites should be at least a bit structured. If every game page would look different, noone could really decide objective.
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19:11 jojoa1997 i was thinking have a template for each game
19:11 jojoa1997 and maybe those who want to add a game to the games section could fill out a template and request to be added
19:11 thexyz having slightly/completely different template for each game isn't that bad
19:12 thexyz it'll be easier to determine what game are you looking at
19:12 john_minetest Yeah. "Description, Screenshots, link" should be the template. An addon could handle the stuff being added. Well, mediawiki plugins can do this at least.
19:12 jojoa1997 yeah
19:12 thexyz it'll also make those somewhat unique
19:12 jojoa1997 i mean stuff like a list of mods in and the name should all be in one spot
19:12 thexyz john_minetest: don't think there's a need for addon
19:13 thexyz so, game page just lists all mods, has short description & screenshots, right?
19:13 john_minetest First game: White, structured with screenshot| second game: super-stylish design made by a professional, hundereds of screenshots etc.
19:13 john_minetest That's not good. Second game could be bad but the maker is a web dev.
19:14 thexyz well life is unfair
19:14 OldCoder <jojoa1997> PilzAdam go buy yourself a prize for reaching a worthless goal
19:14 jojoa1997 ?
19:14 OldCoder Civility is good. PilzAdam that is something you ought to remember too.
19:14 OldCoder Just making a point.
19:14 john_minetest It should be a simple template with mod list, desc, screenshot and download link
19:14 john_minetest Hi OldCoder!
19:14 OldCoder john_minetest, Hi. Still working on a ports issue with my new server.
19:15 jojoa1997 yes but the game page should have some differences
19:15 OldCoder But all the files are there and seem to be healthy.
19:15 jojoa1997 thexyz the reason i say there should be a template is because many people like me dont know web code or wiki code
19:16 jojoa1997 i can only edit words really the rest is hyroglifics
19:16 thexyz john_minetest: I think it should work this way — you go to minetest_game page and copy everything
19:16 jojoa1997 no
19:16 jojoa1997 then what is the point
19:17 thexyz alright, what do you mean by "template" then?
19:17 jojoa1997 like web templates
19:17 thexyz unclear
19:17 thexyz elaborate
19:17 jojoa1997 a box for the game name
19:18 jojoa1997 one for a description
19:18 thexyz oh, like mediawiki template?
19:18 jojoa1997 and then one column they can choose between pics, a mod list, or ddescribing some stuff
19:18 thexyz meh
19:18 jojoa1997 idk what mediawiki is but maybe
19:18 jojoa1997 one sec
19:18 thexyz that's way too structured
19:19 jojoa1997 one sec
19:20 jojoa1997 ok kinda but more lentient...
19:20 jojoa1997 like say they wanted to add a circle they could
19:20 jojoa1997 and type stuff in
19:20 jojoa1997 and you could move the boxes around
19:21 thexyz that's shit
19:21 jojoa1997 wait i cant explain
19:21 thexyz how about coding it?
19:21 thexyz then it won't be as flexible as mediawiki syntax is
19:22 jojoa1997 nope dont know wiki code or whatever it is
19:22 jojoa1997 let me find an example
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19:25 john_minetest jojoa1997: I once made a mediawiki template for pioneerspacesim wiki so I know how that works.
19:25 jojoa1997 kind of like the youtube layout i think might be good\
19:25 john_minetest Even if that wiki is different in that mean there is a tutorial somewhere.
19:26 jojoa1997 the channel layouts
19:26 john_minetest The channel layouts are different now. But might be better.
19:26 john_minetest Github had changes recently and it is shitty. Have to scroll down to get to the download link...
19:27 jojoa1997 https://github.com/minetest/
19:27 jojoa1997 that could be the page where you decide what game to look at
19:27 jojoa1997 name desc and maybe the icon for the game
19:28 jojoa1997 and
19:28 thexyz still, guys, that's not the most important thing to decide
19:28 jojoa1997 http://www.youtube.com/user/313hummer
19:28 jojoa1997 the face spot would be game icon
19:28 jojoa1997 screenshot behind it'
19:28 jojoa1997 name desc below
19:28 thexyz and I'm against this anyway
19:29 jojoa1997 why?
19:29 jojoa1997 oh
19:29 DanDuncombe Do you think someone should improve realtest game?
19:29 jojoa1997 what is the most inportant thing to decide then?
19:30 thexyz how to structure stuff, not how to display it
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19:30 jojoa1997 yeah the structures
19:31 thexyz especially since there are mod names collisions
19:32 jojoa1997 what do you mean
19:32 thexyz there are multiple mods that share the same name
19:32 thexyz animals, for example
19:33 thexyz http://mods.minetest.ru/animals/ | http://mods.minetest.ru/animals_%28PilzAdam%29/
19:33 jojoa1997 so one is Animals PilzAdam and the other animals
19:34 thexyz but shouldn't first be animals_sapier and second animals?
19:34 jojoa1997 no cause it is how thay put it up
19:35 thexyz both are called "animals"
19:35 jojoa1997 Index of /animals_(PilzAdam)/
19:35 jojoa1997 Index of /animals/
19:35 jojoa1997 not really
19:37 thexyz that's just how I named it
19:39 jojoa1997 bbl
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20:04 Calinou 1337 topics in general discussion
20:05 Calinou or, actually: 1337 +op;<z ;|\| g3|\|3|2/-\1 <|;<|_|$$;o|\|
20:07 PenguinDad Leet posts \o/
20:12 thexyz is that perl?
20:14 Calinou heh
20:14 john_minetest Calinou: |_0|_ 7|-|47'$ 1337!
20:15 john_minetest 13375|°33|<
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20:28 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Fix modstore URLs 0b4b9e7f3a 2013-07-22T13:26:48-07:00 http://git.io/EXPy7A
20:30 Calinou "modstore"
20:30 Calinou now THIS is an official name.
20:31 Calinou /mmbdb/mod is 404, /media is 403
20:31 Calinou /mods works, though
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20:43 jojoa1997 how would i have a 'bucket:bucket_water' be replaced with 'bucket:bucket_empty' in the crafting grid after a recipe
20:45 Calinou john_minetest, wolfgame?
20:45 Calinou PilzAdam, ^
20:45 john_minetest Calinou: coming
20:45 Calinou that's what she said :>
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20:52 john_minetest Anyone got an idea how to capture raw usb data?
20:53 Calinou capture raw usb data?
20:53 john_minetest Something like wireshark would be great.
20:53 john_minetest Yeah, like mouse input etc.
20:53 john_minetest Without linux.
20:53 john_minetest So windows.
20:54 john_minetest libusb maybe?
20:55 john_minetest oh, nvm, wireshark can do it :D
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20:59 DanDuncombe Is there any way of only letting an abm for mymod:mynode run when mymod:othernode is 1 node beneath it?
20:59 PilzAdam yes
21:00 DanDuncombe How?
21:00 PilzAdam !dev minetest.register_abm
21:00 MinetestBot "minetest.register_abm&#40;abm_defintion_table&#41; [edit] Description The Active Block Modifier consists of a function that is executed at a specific interval for single nodes." - http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_abm
21:00 DanDuncombe Thanks!
21:01 DanDuncombe Is it possible to make it so it has to be beneath, not just anywhere touching?
21:02 PilzAdam of course, just check the name of the node in the function
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21:03 DanDuncombe DO I add y=-1 or anything to do it?
21:04 PilzAdam ehm... of course you need some basic understanding of programming to code a mod...
21:05 DanDuncombe Yes, I have made mods, I am just not sure how to implement the y=-1 bit
21:05 DanDuncombe I don't use ABMs much.
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21:10 Arkmabat Magic beanstalk?
21:12 Kacey anyone here good with making textures? i need someone to make some for me... mine are beyond derpy
21:12 DanDuncombe What for?
21:13 Calinou night everyone :)
21:13 Kacey night Calinou
21:13 Kacey (its 15:15 here)
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21:14 DanDuncombe Can anyone help with the abm?
21:14 john_minetest It's 23:14 gere.
21:14 john_minetest *here
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21:20 jojoa1997 Kaceybye everyone
21:20 jojoa1997 bye everyone
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21:29 DanDuncombe Is there any way of only letting an abm for mymod:mynode run when mymod:othernode is 1 node beneath it?
21:29 Peacock take your pos with pos.y - 1 and check the node/name underneth
21:30 marktraceur You can also use neighbors to do a first pass check
21:30 Peacock but neighbours doesn't mean it's underneath
21:30 Peacock just near
21:30 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, you already asked the question
21:31 PilzAdam and I already answered
21:31 DanDuncombe I didn't get a full answer tough
21:31 DanDuncombe *though
21:31 DanDuncombe So how?
21:31 DanDuncombe What do I add where? I am not used to abm,like I said
21:32 DanDuncombe You will get virtual cupcakes for a good answer
21:32 Peacock if minetest.env:get_node(x=pos.x,y=pos.y-1,z=pos.z).name ~= 'mod:othernode' then return end
21:32 * DanDuncombe gives Peacock virtualcupcakes
21:33 john_minetest Searching 1 hour to find my arduino ... it was on my desk...
21:33 Peacock lol
21:33 Peacock like the glasses on a lady's head
21:33 john_minetest Oh, and there is my camera I was looking for since 1 month...
21:35 Peacock dont feel so bad, most times people ask me my age and i have to do the math from my DOB
21:36 Peacock i still get lost going downtown and ive been living here nearly 3 years now :p
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21:42 DanDuncombe Peacock: I can't get it to work
21:43 Peacock what does it say/do?
21:43 DanDuncombe Failed to run init.lua
21:43 DanDuncombe I'll get the debug...
21:43 Peacock sounds like a syntax or index bug
21:44 Peacock *error
21:44 DanDuncombe 22:42:06: ERROR[main]: ========== ERROR FROM LUA ===========
21:44 DanDuncombe 22:42:06: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from
21:44 DanDuncombe 22:42:06: ERROR[main]: C:\Users\Daniel\Desktop\Minetest\minetest-0.4.7-46d1d70-win32\bin\..\mods\camo\camo\init.lua:
21:44 Peacock i just need the line where it gives the line number :p
21:44 DanDuncombe 22:42:06: ERROR[main]: ...0.4.7-46d1d70-win32\bin\..\mods\camo\camo/mob_turret.lua:66: unexpected symbol near '}'
21:44 Peacock syntax
21:44 Peacock pastebin the whole mod
21:46 DanDuncombe ok
21:46 Peacock or at least the section encompassing the function or loop
21:48 DanDuncombe I'll paste the abm
21:49 DanDuncombe http://pastebin.com/N6crcYbf
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21:49 DanDuncombe It all works without 'if minetest.env:get_node(x=pos.x,y=pos.y-1,z=pos.z).name ~= 'camo:turret_computer' then return end'
21:50 DanDuncombe It just makes the turret computer pointless
21:52 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, add some {}
21:52 Peacock around the pos :p
21:53 Peacock if minetest.env:get_node({x=pos.x,y=pos.y-1,z=pos.z}).name ~= 'camo:turret_computer' then return end
21:53 DanDuncombe Thanks :)
21:53 DanDuncombe Works now.
21:54 * DanDuncombe gives PilzAdam and Peacock some more virtual cupcakes with icing and fairy stars
21:54 Peacock id settle for some coffee :p
21:55 DanDuncombe Tough, you have cupcakes
21:55 Peacock lol
21:56 Exio4 [18:32:19] <Peacock> if minetest.env:get_node(x=pos.x,y=pos.y-1,z=pos.z).name ~= 'mod:othernode' then return end
21:56 Exio4 .env: is deprecated
21:56 Peacock well not in 0.4.6 and thats what im using :p
21:57 Exio4 0.4.7 is already released
21:57 Peacock i am aware
21:57 PilzAdam give me one sane reason to not use 0.4.7
21:57 Peacock it's slower
21:57 PilzAdam no, its not
21:57 PilzAdam its more optimized
21:57 Peacock if you say so
21:57 Exio4 Peacock: use the latest git
21:57 Exio4 it contains a super cleanup i did that is amazingly fast!
21:58 Exio4 (removed one line after reading a comment)
21:58 PilzAdam almost all memory leaks are fixed
21:59 Peacock what about the ingame chat segfault? that one is driving me nuts lol
21:59 PilzAdam do you have a way to reproduce it?
21:59 Peacock well its only when i (running the server) chat that it segfaults when i press enter
22:00 Peacock its pretty random and the debug gives me nothing
22:00 PilzAdam what OS do you use?
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22:00 Peacock harch
22:00 Exio4 arch *
22:00 PilzAdam can you use a debug build of minetest, a debug build of irrlicht and produce a proper backtrace with gdb?
22:01 Exio4 he is maudevic o mauvedic or mausomething
22:01 Peacock mauvedick
22:01 Exio4 like so
22:01 Peacock and no, i cant install jack on arch anymore since packer broke
22:02 Peacock its my last arch rig, the others are switched to CB
22:02 Exio4 CB? crunchbang? :>
22:02 Peacock yep
22:02 Exio4 Peacock: jackd works for me in debian; outside that, how is it related to MT
22:02 kahrl CandyBox
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22:02 Peacock sucks for arch but they need something better than pacman for system updates
22:03 Peacock candybox?
22:03 Exio4 a js game
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22:03 Peacock besides arch is always pushing half-assed updates in the last few months
22:03 kahrl http://aniwey.net/candies-hardmode/
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22:09 Peacock exio, when i said jack, i didn't mean 'jack' the package, it means *anything* lol
22:10 Exio4 arch is shit in terms of stability
22:11 Exio4 like nobody knows that...
22:11 Peacock i wouldn't argue against that lately lol
22:11 Peacock its stable when it happens to work, otherwise they're just pushing whatever the fuck they feel like lol
22:11 Peacock and they expect people to enjoy wasting a weekend fixing it
22:13 Peacock they banned me from their forum when i asked if they ever had any real work to do on their comps lol
22:13 Peacock something that'd require a working box
22:17 sokomine how do i get a list in the forum? [ul] [li] ?
22:17 Menche i believe [list]
22:17 sokomine ah, thanks. will try that
22:17 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/help.php?section=bbcode
22:17 Menche and [*] for individual items
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22:25 jojoa1997 could someone help me
22:25 jojoa1997 code: http://pastebin.com/17KssM0K error: http://pastebin.com/P7UgQbT6
22:26 jojoa1997 anything
22:27 kahrl jojoa1997: try: replacements = {{'bucket:bucket_water', 'bucket:bucket_empty'}},
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22:28 jojoa1997 yep it works thanks kahrl
22:35 Peacock you cant have commas in usernames right?
22:39 kahrl yes, you can't
22:40 Peacock allright thanks (working on nations support for turrets)
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22:42 jojoa1997 is anyone good with textures here
22:48 Peacock looks like no lol
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22:50 OldCoder jojoa1997, Jordach seems proficient
22:50 OldCoder I believe NekoGloop is as well
22:50 NekoGloop yo wassup
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22:51 jojoa1997 nekogloop could you make some textures for me
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22:55 kahrl what is this post trying to say? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101462#p101462
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22:55 NekoGloop nope
22:55 PilzAdam "I cant use BBCode, help!"
22:57 OldCoder g2g to a meeting. If Kacey shows up tell him we've solved his math puzzle.
22:57 OldCoder o/
22:59 DanDuncombe Who likes the turrets in my camo mod?
22:59 DanDuncombe They are anti-mob
23:00 john_cephalopoda bye
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23:19 DanDuncombe Do you think Vanessa will ever allow evil mobs on her server?
23:19 VanessaE no, I won't.
23:19 VanessaE :P
23:20 DanDuncombe VanessaE, did you see the mod update link I sent you?
23:20 VanessaE yeah, haven't had time to act on it
23:21 DanDuncombe It guaranteed won't even target players. I really promise.
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23:21 DanDuncombe The textures could do with some work though.
23:21 DanDuncombe Although I actually like them as they are.
23:22 DanDuncombe I also have switched to using your textures VanessaE, without the bump-mapping stuff.
23:22 VanessaE cool
23:23 DanDuncombe So people still need your texture pack if they want bump-mapping.
23:23 VanessaE yes
23:23 DanDuncombe Wouldn't want to put your texture pack out of business :p
23:24 VanessaE :P
23:24 DanDuncombe Also, the turret does 'kill' dropped items, so a couple could be useful if people drop loads somewhere.
23:25 VanessaE well I will disable the turret anyways
23:25 DanDuncombe All it does it kill mobs
23:25 DanDuncombe Please leave it :)
23:25 VanessaE no
23:25 VanessaE that goes against the theme of my server
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23:26 DanDuncombe Oh well, was hoping it would be left there.
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23:26 DanDuncombe It would be very easy to make it only shoot items, not mobs or players. So it only clears up unwanted drops- maybe a public 'landfill'?
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23:28 DanDuncombe Change all the if not player to something like if luaentity item
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23:29 VanessaE naw, entities are used for too many things on my server.
23:29 VanessaE I'll disable it when I update.  easily done from my game builder script
23:30 DanDuncombe Oh, right
23:30 DanDuncombe Maybe keep it as decoration- so it doesn't do anything. Just delete everything below and including the abms
23:31 DanDuncombe Also, could I make it so it emits 'smoke' when firing as well as shooting bullets?
23:31 VanessaE sure, a particle spawner could do that
23:32 VanessaE I don't know how to use those, though
23:32 DanDuncombe How would I implement it into the abms I wonder.
23:32 PilzAdam its not hard, just look at the docs
23:32 VanessaE you wouldn't
23:32 DanDuncombe Where are 'the docs'?
23:33 VanessaE you would trigger a spawner each time a shell fires, with a short timeout that's just short enough to run out before the next shell fires
23:33 DanDuncombe It uses the abm to fire
23:34 DanDuncombe It uses the abm to spawn a 'bullet' entity whizzing towards the entity it was aimed at.
23:35 DanDuncombe Although this sometimes causes the amusing problem where it tries to shoot it's own bullets leading to pointless sustained fire.
23:36 VanessaE haha
23:36 VanessaE "the docs"  =  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
23:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, double topic in General Discussion
23:36 DanDuncombe Out of interest, '[00:29] <VanessaE> naw, entities are used for too many things on my server.' what kind of things are they? Thanks for the docs link too.
23:37 VanessaE DanDuncombe: signs, pipeworks, peaceful mobs
23:37 DanDuncombe Apart from mobs
23:37 DanDuncombe Signs? Pipeworks?
23:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: deleted.
23:37 VanessaE (one of)
23:37 PilzAdam you should delete both
23:37 PilzAdam it just contains nonsense
23:37 VanessaE DanDuncombe: yeah - signs use entities to produce the visible text, pipeworks uses them to route items around through the tubes,.
23:38 VanessaE to you its nonsense, what he wants to know are the exact item names, and he's *probably* referring to one of mauvebic's mods
23:38 VanessaE or that "other" farming mod by Doc, maybe
23:39 DanDuncombe So my turret would shoot signs and 'kill'them... lol.
23:39 VanessaE (I really wish he'd change his handle.  "smelly but[t]" is not appropriate for this forum, imho.
23:39 VanessaE DanDuncombe: basically, or items in tubes
23:43 DanDuncombe Will this work (added to abm): minetest.add_particle(pos, velocity=1, acceleration=0, expirationtime=2,)
23:44 PilzAdam <PilzAdam> ehm... of course you need some basic understanding of programming to code a mod...
23:45 DanDuncombe HAHAHAHAHA PILZADAM
23:45 VanessaE DanDuncombe: you need to specify size, collision detection, and the texture it should use
23:45 VanessaE also.
23:46 VanessaE but you probably want the add_particlespawner() call instead
23:46 DanDuncombe I am just trying to get camo:mob_turret to add a 'smoke' particle every time it fires
23:47 sokomine shooting signs does not sound particulary helpful :-)
23:47 DanDuncombe It isn't
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23:54 sea-theorem I'm playing minetest. :3 This is fun. I've dug a huge hole and some tunnels, and now I'm totally lost.
23:55 sokomine playing first time?
23:55 sea-theorem Yeah
23:55 sokomine any experience with minecraft?
23:55 DanDuncombe fly put
23:55 DanDuncombe *out
23:56 sea-theorem None, I haven't even played minecraft. I'm having fun being lost. Except I'm about to run out of torches
23:56 sokomine yes, that's one option. teleporting out may work as well. if you build anything, see if you can find hints in the debug.txt of where your house is/was
23:56 sea-theorem and then I'll be stuck down here
23:56 sokomine *g* don't worry. there's plenty of coal!
23:56 sea-theorem Yes, but I ran out of wood
23:56 DanDuncombe But you need wod
23:56 sokomine ok. that's bad
23:56 DanDuncombe *wood
23:56 sea-theorem and trees don't seem to grow very often in the depths of this planet
23:56 DanDuncombe No
23:57 sokomine you may find the occasional tree. but only on servers, planted by other players in underground tree-gardens :-)
23:58 DanDuncombe type /grant singleplayer all
23:58 DanDuncombe then press k to fly
23:58 DanDuncombe To flythrough nodes, press h
23:58 DanDuncombe to go quickly, press j
23:58 sokomine i usually use my travelnet mod to avoid getting lost in my singleplayer worlds. when i find a site i want to come back to, i place a box there. when i'm lost, i place another box. there are also bookmarks- and home-mods and other teleporter mods out there
23:58 sea-theorem Interesting. Ah, so you can pass through things
23:58 sea-theorem a box? You mean a chest?
23:58 Exio4 that is with noclip
23:59 DanDuncombe A travelnet mod box
23:59 DanDuncombe With the travelnet mod
23:59 sea-theorem Sounds like an exit to a teleporter, based on the name
23:59 DanDuncombe Yep it is

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