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00:02 OldCoder NEWS: 1. My MT worlds will I hope return tonight or tomorrow. 2. I will update only if there is LevelDB. 3. Somebody tell MarkV that he can have the changes he wishes. 4. I will prepare docs for LM too as he wishes. 5. I will host other projects too if they are positive.
00:02 OldCoder
00:02 OldCoder My server host has returned from Europe and the upstream ISP is changing now. To achieve a much better uptime.
00:02 OldCoder
00:03 OldCoder VanessaE, Jordach, mrtux, Naked, NekoGloop, PilzAdam, ruskie, sokomine, and Lions and Tigers oh my ^
00:03 OldCoder
00:03 mrtux wat
00:04 OldCoder Details are above
00:04 PilzAdam OldCoder, you know that ShadowBot kicks for multihighlights?
00:04 NekoGloop wassup
00:04 OldCoder PilzAdam, I do but this was a limited and useful announcement
00:04 Naked great news Oldcoder
00:04 OldCoder NekoGloop, an octocore is up!
00:04 Jordach !op OldCoder
00:04 PilzAdam OldCoder, please dont highlight me again in a mass-highlight
00:04 mrtux i havent played minetest for how long now...
00:04 OldCoder PilzAdam, Hmm? O.K. Explain in PM pls as I am confused
00:04 Jordach OldCoder, you cant be kicked for mass hl now
00:04 OldCoder Jordach, thank you for information
00:04 Jordach provided you are OP
00:04 OldCoder mrtux, you seem to be here regardless
00:05 * OldCoder is busy switching DNS from the bad ISP to the good one
00:05 Jordach OldCoder, the return to normality
00:05 OldCoder Jordach, heh. Not likely. Are many of us normal?
00:05 OldCoder But we do what we can.
00:05 Jordach thats on your definition
00:05 OldCoder Which I decline to think about for now
00:06 OldCoder *edit DNS* <- sound effect
00:06 Peacock you would never kick oldcoder anyhow :p
00:06 OldCoder Peacock, bot has :-) It is fine. Some degree of order is good.
00:06 Jordach Order and Chaos
00:06 OldCoder Heh
00:06 OldCoder And friends
00:07 Jordach two things that create balance
00:07 OldCoder Which transcends labels of the type
00:07 OldCoder Indeed
00:07 Jordach i am calm and quiet
00:07 Exio4 !op Exio4
00:07 Exio4 :>
00:07 Jordach my girlfriend is the said polar inverse
00:07 OldCoder This is healthy but sometimes one must kick up one's heels
00:07 PilzAdam Exio4, you are doing it wrong
00:07 PilzAdam !op Exio4
00:07 PilzAdam here you go
00:07 Exio4 lol
00:07 Jordach !deop Exio4
00:07 Peacock imanigary (or paid) women don't count :p
00:07 Jordach nope.avi
00:07 Peacock j/k
00:08 Jordach Peacock, oldcoder has seen mine
00:08 Exio4 Jordach: why not :>
00:08 * Jordach doesnt trust a troll
00:08 Peacock in pics or person?
00:08 Jordach pictures
00:08 * Exio4 is sad
00:08 OldCoder Be friendly
00:08 OldCoder Do not be sad
00:08 OldCoder You are among friends if you wish them
00:08 Jordach !voice Exio4
00:08 Exio4 awww
00:08 Jordach better?
00:08 Peacock dunno, anyone who has woman wouldn't be here, they'd be getting it (if you know what i mean :P)
00:09 Peacock i mostly kidding though :p
00:09 Exio4 Jordach: i'm sad cuz other things ;P
00:09 Jordach heh
00:09 Peacock im not sad, im Black Jesus
00:09 Jordach "BLACK JESUS!"
00:09 Exio4 i can't get a driving licence, but i can vote for the elections
00:09 Jordach FG reference
00:10 Jordach OldCoder, want to say hello to Sam II? http://i.imgur.com/CxKA3ps.png
00:10 * OldCoder wonders what in the world possessed him to buy dangercoder.com
00:10 OldCoder Hm? Reviewing
00:10 Peacock dont feel bad exio, americans' can die in wars before theyre allowed to drink :p
00:10 Peacock doesnt that suck
00:10 * OldCoder has been puzzled by that
00:10 Jordach then they can drink after service
00:10 Jordach even OldCoder is more third person than me :P
00:10 Exio4 Peacock: your use of "american" sucks too
00:10 Peacock you couldn't convince me to fight any modern war without being drunk off my ass
00:10 OldCoder Sam II seems like a fine lad
00:11 OldCoder Tell me of him and he shall be blogged
00:11 Jordach OldCoder, Sam I http://i.imgur.com/SfblUEx.png
00:11 Jordach doesnt he look familiar>
00:11 Peacock exio in what sense?
00:11 OldCoder Too young to drink but old enough to fight
00:11 OldCoder Reviewing the other image
00:11 OldCoder I see... Mark II is more polished
00:12 Jordach Sam*
00:12 PilzAdam *Fiola
00:12 Jordach Sam means, Sam ain't Minecraft
00:13 OldCoder Ah
00:13 Jordach Sams is plural, which can mean, Sam ain't Minecraft Steve
00:13 OldCoder Or recursive
00:13 OldCoder Sam Ain't Minecraft Sam
00:13 Peacock recursive acronym lol
00:13 Peacock another one i heard is GNU's Not Useful lol
00:14 Jordach acronym, thats the word i was looking for
00:14 Peacock on ED i think
00:14 OldCoder Heh
00:14 Jordach OldCoder, NekoGloop is back
00:14 Jordach prepare for kittens! :3
00:14 NekoGloop in case you hadn't noticed
00:14 OldCoder Oh boy
00:14 OldCoder Meow
00:14 * Jordach feels 0.4.3 deja vu
00:15 Peacock now this is weird, i had two players build stuff all afternoon, the minute I built something, they griefed it lol
00:15 Peacock and took off
00:15 Naked use WE and move their creations
00:15 Jordach Peacock, say I am admin
00:16 Jordach they'll learn
00:16 Peacock meh, it's a test server, i expected as much :p
00:16 Peacock the terminal output is infiintely more useful to me
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00:17 Peacock but not the debug log, thats more heavy than oprah winfrey
00:17 Jordach \o/
00:18 Mallot1 hi
00:18 Peacock /\o/\
00:18 Peacock anyone can do the C and the A?
00:18 NekoGloop o<
00:18 NekoGloop /o\
00:18 NekoGloop close enough
00:18 Peacock lol
00:19 Peacock A yeah, not the C :P
00:19 Jordach /o<
00:19 Jordach better?
00:20 PilzAdam no
00:20 Peacock now it just looks crippled
00:20 Mallot1 if minetest programmed in strictly Irrlicht and C++? (the core part of minetest not the lua modding)
00:20 Peacock if implies a question
00:20 Mallot1 what?
00:20 Mallot1 oh
00:20 Mallot1 sorry
00:20 Peacock i dont understand the Q
00:21 Peacock now i get it, i think so yes
00:21 Jordach /o_
00:21 Jordach there
00:21 Mallot1 i meant is minetest programmed in strictly Irrlicht and C++? (the core part of minetest not the lua modding)
00:21 Mallot1 oh ok thanks B)
00:21 Peacock though you might ask -dev for a detailed answer
00:22 PilzAdam what do you mean by "strictly"?
00:23 Peacock aaaaaaaaaand he's gone
00:23 Mallot1 im still here
00:23 Mallot1 im in difernt rooms
00:24 Peacock im occupying 5 dimensions at once
00:24 Peacock i feel like a god
00:24 Mallot1 PilzAdam: i mean everything else besides the modding part of minetest.
00:24 Mallot1 Peacock: lol
00:25 Peacock now, bow before me or suffer everlasting shame and dishonor
00:25 PilzAdam it doesnt make sense to me that you list a libary and a programming language
00:25 Peacock :P
00:25 Peacock he's asking a generalized question :p
00:27 Mallot1 yea
00:27 Peacock yea to the bowing before me bit, or to the generalized question? :p
00:28 Mallot1 the question X3
00:29 Mallot1 im asking if the core of minetest is made only with Irrlicht library and the C++ programming language.
00:29 PilzAdam no
00:29 Mallot1 what else?
00:30 PilzAdam it uses other libaries like jthread
00:30 Exio4 i wonder how would you include "lua modding" without using lua btw
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00:30 Peacock and j-dawg :P
00:30 PilzAdam and there are essential Lua scripts that are relevant for the core
00:31 Peacock the stuff in /builtin?
00:31 PilzAdam yep
00:31 Peacock lots of fun tweaking with that stuff :-)
00:31 Mallot1 oh ok :) thanks B)
00:32 Mallot1 i want to start wth 3d graphics and  cant find anything for Opengl
00:32 Peacock start with tutorials first
00:32 Peacock minetest has a lot of source files
00:33 Peacock im guessing most of it isn't necessarily about the graphics bit
00:34 Mallot1 ok
00:34 Mallot1 do you know of any irrlicht tutorials?
00:34 PilzAdam ehm
00:34 PilzAdam do you know of any internet search engine?
00:35 Exio4 Mallot1: you are doing it completely wrong
00:35 Mallot1 yea let me help
00:36 Mallot1 PilzAdam: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google.com
00:36 PilzAdam google is evil
00:36 Peacock why would you google google?
00:36 PilzAdam just dont google products
00:37 Mallot1 Exio4: what should i do?
00:37 PilzAdam +use
00:37 Peacock google's fine
00:37 PilzAdam no!
00:37 Peacock yes
00:37 Mallot1 PilzAdam: LOL
00:37 Mallot1 u guys r fighting bout google
00:37 Peacock dont make me drag you off to the umschlagplatz :p
00:37 Mallot1 B)
00:38 Peacock theres duckduckgo but it duckducksucks
00:38 PilzAdam use ixquick.com
00:38 Peacock i dont even know of that one lol
00:38 PilzAdam duckduckgo fails because it tries to be like google
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00:38 Peacock they all try to be like google :P
00:38 Peacock and if they had google's user base, it wouldn't be any different :p
00:39 PilzAdam ixquick.com doesnt
00:39 PilzAdam go to the website, read the docs
00:39 Peacock what does google does that so evil?
00:40 PilzAdam it makes money from my private data
00:40 PilzAdam and of course I dont get the money
00:40 Peacock and you wouldn't if you could?
00:42 Peacock facebook and google might be evil, but if anyone had the chance to invent them first, i doubt anyone would refuse
00:42 PilzAdam of course they are succesful companies
00:43 Peacock exactly, its easy to complain about evil unless you have the chance to do it yourseld
00:43 Peacock *yourself
00:44 Peacock i dont think my life is interesting enough to give a fark what google does with my searches lol
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01:20 hmmmm http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html
01:20 hmmmm bamm
01:21 Exio4 lol
01:21 PilzAdam heh
01:21 PilzAdam read it as "Canonical has sold all your data and crashed its own servers, Sowwwy!!!!"
01:23 Menche the most useful bug report award doesn't go to:https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101168
01:23 PilzAdam oh yea, thats the well known "ADAM PILZ" error
01:24 Exio4 wtf
01:24 * Menche thinks about telling him that minetest doesn't load mods when caps lock is on
01:24 Exio4 haha
01:24 Exio4 nice one
01:26 Menche lets see... carts uses github... i predict that he still has the folder named "carts-master" or whatever github names it
01:26 Exio4 may i tell him to stop using caps & other stuff, and asking me in spanish?
01:26 * Exio4 is argentinian
01:28 PilzAdam bye
01:30 Exio4 any moderator/admin of the forum?
01:45 * Menche got a PM that reads, "how on earth is the settings on remobo"
01:45 Menche how on earth is your grammar
01:45 * Menche isn't sure what he is asking
01:47 Exio4 https://xkcd.com/676/
02:01 pehjota Peacock: The existence of similar but non-evil successful companies (like Ixquick, which has been around since 1998 and now has a second search engine, Startpage) invalidates that argument.  It's easy to complain about evil unless you have the chance to do it yourself *or someone else already has done it*.
02:01 pehjota Also, re: USA's NSA PRISM program: <https://ixquick.com/eng/prism-program-revealed.html>.
02:02 Peacock do you seriously think other countries dont do the same, or that this is new?
02:02 Naked arguing or protesting wont stop this.
02:02 Jordach hey VanessaE
02:02 VanessaE hi
02:03 Peacock it was a given for me that this was going on during the cold war too :p
02:03 Naked and like peacock said, my life is interesting enough...
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02:04 kahrl Peacock: just because it's been going on for decades it's not evil?
02:04 pehjota Peacock: No, I've always known that the USA and other countries have been doing this for decades.  The page to which I linked just describes how Ixquick doesn't (and can't) provide such data to governments.
02:04 Peacock no, but it makes people ignorant to think this is new
02:05 pehjota Peacock: I definitely don't think PRISM is anything new.  I just think it's a good publicized opportunity to show what's been going on for so long.
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02:05 Peacock fact is, governments granted themselves extraordinary powers in the two world wars that they haven't let go since
02:06 Peacock and with so many nutjobs in the world on the left and right, its not entirely a bad idea either
02:06 Exio4 the people is dumb enough for giving their data for free
02:06 Exio4 and letting their childs give it for free
02:06 pehjota (PRISM and the other leaked programs like the recent Verizon deal and the AT&T deal from 2001 just prove what we've known all along.)
02:06 Peacock if you dont know what world your bringing your child into, its your own damn fault, i wouldn't have kids
02:07 pehjota Exio4: Yeah.
02:07 Peacock nor would i fill their heads with all sorts of idealisms
02:07 Peacock so they can be let down
02:07 Exio4 it is the main problem, the idea is screaming at their face until they react and see what they are doing
02:07 Peacock theyll keep doing it
02:08 Peacock what can you do?
02:08 Peacock voting gives you more of the same, revolution gives you worse
02:08 Exio4 "we are already fucked up, i don't mind putting more stuff inside my ass"
02:08 Exio4 - Peacock 2013
02:09 Peacock what i do is simple, i fill all my online shit with as much bullshit as possible
02:09 Peacock my facebook location? a city that was torn down 30 years ago
02:09 Exio4 do you think your cousins aren't uploading your photos about you?
02:09 Peacock they dont have photos of me, and if they did, id untag myself, thats all
02:10 Exio4 how funny is that
02:10 Exio4 people already saw that, iirc they have logs after that, plus the "funny thing" of they can still say your name in the photo
02:10 Exio4 and say your REAL location
02:10 Exio4 and say your REAL name, and that bullshit you used to fill up your profile, is all now redirected to real info
02:11 Exio4 err
02:11 Peacock ok, so wtf do you get up thats so important the gov't can't know?
02:11 Peacock and what makes you think it was any different for your parents or grandparents?
02:12 Exio4 facebook is a private company
02:12 Peacock doesn't answer my question though
02:12 Peacock what do you do that would make you a target for your gov't?
02:13 Exio4 you're giving your data for free to a big company that makes money from your data, data that you give to them for free, and you don't even know, because people is supa-l33t that if they see a popup saying "clop here" they will click it because why not.
02:13 * pehjota just followed up on a discussion between PilzAdam and Peacock about search engines and didn't mean to start a discussion about privacy on social networks. :)
02:13 Peacock dumb people who click on anything deserve what they get
02:13 Exio4 that dumb people is the 95% of the userland when talking about computers
02:13 kahrl you want to give your government incriminating data that lets them use it against you in case they stop liking you?
02:14 Exio4 kahrl: that too, they can use all what you upload in any way
02:14 kahrl say if you get some info about corruption and make it public
02:14 Peacock dude, i grew weed for nearly 3 years and i was pretty sure my phones were tapped but i never got caught
02:14 Peacock (this was over a decade ago)
02:14 Jordach my dad had been doing it for 10
02:14 Exio4 isn't growing weed for "personal use" legal though?
02:15 Peacock not where im from
02:15 Exio4 iirc it is in argentina
02:15 Peacock and it was for personal use either lol
02:15 Peacock *wasnt
02:15 VanessaE Peacock: the government's filtering and surveillance systems tag people for review based on keywords and associations - if we were to start seriously talking about, say, how to build a bomb (something every high-schooler probably knew at one time anyway, by way of mandatory chemistry or science classes), those algorithms would flag this venue as something to review.
02:15 Peacock 200 plants would have landed me in jail for at least 5 years back then
02:15 pehjota Peacock: The "I don't have anything to hide" argument is false.  Throughout history, people who simply disagreed with their government and voiced opinions had something to hide from those governments (including the USA at times in its own democratic history!).
02:15 VanessaE whether they can tie a given user id back to a real person is immaterial - the fact that it's a computer program doing it without human intervention is the issue
02:15 Exio4 pehjota: did you mean the whole world
02:16 Naked stop agrandizing your self importance. no government is interested in you unless you turn into a psycho terrorist or super mega genius
02:16 Exio4 latin america, europe, usa, canada, check the history of everywhere
02:16 kahrl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko
02:17 kahrl if he had given the government incriminating info he'd just be considered a criminal, not a murder victim
02:17 VanessaE Naked: or if you talk about just the right sort of things, without ever having any intent on doing anything.  even empty threats you would never actually carry out will land you in hot water now.
02:17 pehjota Exio4: Yes, that's what I mean.  I just used the USA as an example.
02:17 Exio4 hehe
02:17 Peacock Alexander Litvinenko was wacked by the FSB for sharing secrets with the brits
02:17 Peacock its called dont fuck with the russians
02:17 Peacock especially if you are one
02:18 Peacock though i dont see anyone here who has an interesting enough life to be a target for surveillance
02:18 kahrl I'm not saying what he did was right or a good idea or the other way round, I'm just giving an example
02:18 Naked yeah
02:19 Exio4 i don't get any real point for giving info and making your privacy nearly null
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02:19 VanessaE Peacock: if you saw some of the things my husband and I have posted in other venues, you'd probably change your mind.
02:19 Peacock if your gov't was interested in you, they wouldn't need facebook or google to find out about you
02:19 Naked ^
02:19 VanessaE true
02:19 VanessaE those just make it easier for them
02:19 Peacock you still have to use phones, pay bills, drive a car
02:19 Naked stop using internet at all and live in a shack in the middle of nowhere
02:19 pehjota Peacock: Right, but Facebook and Google make it so much easier.
02:19 Naked now you have privacy
02:19 kahrl Gustl Mollath didn't think he'd be an interesting target until he found out about corruption at his wife's job
02:20 Exio4 pehjota: they don't understand our paranoia :P
02:20 Peacock well either you become a complete hermit, garanteeing your privacy, or you deal with it
02:20 Peacock i chose to deal with it
02:20 Exio4 the idea is not giving ALL THE INFO because why not
02:20 Peacock if the governments' wasting money spying on me, i need to stop paying taxes cuz theyre obviously being wasted
02:20 Exio4 if facebook usage was controlated and wasn't a huge invasion to the privacy, like it is right now, it wouldn't be a problem probably
02:20 Peacock but i doubt they care about me
02:21 kahrl well, better stop paying taxes now
02:21 pehjota If people don't volunteer all of their personal information to their governments (as they do with Facebook, etc.), then governments have to go back to the time-consuming and expensive processes of actually trying to collect that information themselves.  Back to more privacy.
02:21 Peacock terrorism is a fact of life, and we've been pretty sheltered in the west so far, and we've been dumb as doorknobs with our immigration policies, anyone could have seen this coming
02:22 Exio4 pehjota: that is what i want, not "super-paranoic-privacy where nobody knows anything about me", but having some privacy about what i'm actually doing
02:22 Peacock 9/11 aint a first, there was Oklahoma before that, and Waco, etc.
02:22 Exio4 if someone, probably, opens the facebook of a small guy right now, you will be able to understand his life more than what he can do
02:23 Exio4 ('small' guy = 13~14)
02:23 Peacock the biggest problem is people VOLUNTEERING info
02:23 Peacock ie, your own fault
02:23 Exio4 it is the problem, and as they upload photos about their asses they upload photos about you, and people that isn't them
02:24 kahrl war on terrorism is stupid given that more people die from infants mishandling guns than from terrorism
02:24 Peacock the war on drugs is dumb too, but its been going on for 30 years and the US has one of the highest incarceration rates of the industrialized world
02:24 Peacock if not the highest
02:25 Exio4 you normally don't upload to 'facebook' photos about you alone, but with people
02:25 Peacock its all about money
02:25 Exio4 the problem is when that people doesn't want to see their face in that photo, they will upload it anyway
02:25 Peacock private prisons, contractors, the military, these are all local industries
02:25 Peacock cheap plastic crap? china, otherwise we'd pay a lot more for that
02:25 Exio4 "studying english with <yourname>!!!!1!!" *album with 40000 photos
02:26 Exio4 "going to the university/school with <someone>!" in twitter
02:26 Exio4 i don't mind giving my name/surname now, but i don't like the idea of *OTHER* people giving data about other people
02:27 Peacock if im going to be involved in politics, id rather talk about real wages and the cost of life
02:27 Exio4 if you want to fuck your privacy, don't fuck other's
02:27 Peacock theyre not protesting in brazil because of privacy, its because of the quality of life
02:28 Exio4 it is because the over-cost of the mundial stuff and the high taxes
02:28 Peacock same problem everywhere, paying more for less
02:28 Exio4 not the quality itself but more "if we pay a lot, where is it?"
02:28 Exio4 Peacock: like so
02:28 pehjota Peacock: Agreed on the war on drugs.  And on Brazil, that's true; but to organize protests against governments, people usually need privacy from governments.
02:29 Exio4 how is that related though
02:29 Exio4 pehjota: he can't understand that, for him it is a binary "thing"
02:29 Peacock heres a simple trick: dont assume that phone and mail and email are safe, they havent been for a very long time
02:29 Exio4 or you are a paranoic with 100% privacy, or you are a supa-facebook(er)
02:29 Peacock havent you seen any gangster movies? lol
02:30 Exio4 Peacock: in a movie i saw a guy jumping 50m and he didn't break any of his legs
02:30 Peacock they wouldn't talk on the phones back in the 50s and 60s, why would it be different now?
02:30 Exio4 i guess i can do that too
02:30 kahrl of course you should encrypt your email and stuff, but how do you get everyone you're involved with in doing that too?
02:30 kahrl to do*
02:30 Peacock if you seriously want to organize against your gov't, you have to be smarter then they are, otherwise, give up before you lose everything, because you will
02:30 pehjota Peacock: Right.  And Facebook and Twitter are even less safe.
02:30 Exio4 that is the main problem
02:31 Exio4 if the stuff is already pretty unsafe
02:31 Exio4 WHY does it need to be EVEN MORE?
02:31 Peacock personally i haven't seen a revolution in modern times that made things better for it's people
02:31 Exio4 Peacock: Richard Stallman would you kill you ;)
02:31 Peacock they almost always become paranoid about securing their power
02:31 Peacock RMS can kiss my ass lol
02:32 Exio4 linus would do that :>
02:32 kahrl dance dance revolution?
02:32 Peacock have you seen some of the youtube videos with him in it? he's nuts
02:32 Exio4 rick astley revolution!
02:32 Peacock i saw him throw a hissy fit in south america over english/spanish
02:32 Exio4 hissy fit?
02:32 Exio4 ahm
02:32 Exio4 translated
02:32 Peacock gimme a sec
02:33 Exio4 already translated, i got what you meant
02:33 Exio4 the bot wasn't responding
02:33 Peacock here's your hero: http://youtu.be/WM8mKMtEg7M
02:33 Exio4 Peacock: rms is paranoic, crazy
02:33 Peacock personally, i dont think he bathes
02:34 Exio4 how is that related to what he is saying
02:34 Exio4 really, tell me how is that related to the stuff he says
02:34 Peacock its related to RMS and nothing more :p
02:34 Exio4 i'm talking about what he says
02:34 pehjota Peacock: Such characterizations are ad hominem arguments.  His personality is unusual, but his points are no less correct for it.
02:35 Exio4 pehjota: i didn't recall if it was exactly ad hominem, thanks! :P
02:36 Peacock google, Richard Stallman: 2mil results, Richard Stallman Nuts: half a mil.
02:36 Peacock those are pretty good odds
02:37 pehjota No one claimed he's "normal".  He's a hacker and a "genius"; they tend to be different. :)
02:38 Peacock im not religious, and if i was, i wouldn't put my eggs in HIS basket
02:38 Peacock he talks about freedom but has a pretty good idea of what everybody else should be doing, he's no better than the pope
02:39 pehjota But like I said, his personality doesn't detract from his arguments.  Anyway, ad hominem attacks on RMS are a little off-topic for what was a privacy discussion.
02:39 Exio4 pehjota: he doesn't have any argument left :P
02:40 pehjota And I should be going to bed, too.
02:40 Exio4 good night man!
02:40 Peacock well, sticking to basics, his vision of things will never come to be, so i'd rather back a horse thas has a chance of winning
02:40 Exio4 that is what makes his ideas don't "win"
02:40 Exio4 people having the fear to change
02:40 Peacock and thats why people like him, the perpetual victim/underdog
02:41 Exio4 people not being themselves but being what the other people is
02:41 Exio4 being other sheep ;)
02:41 pehjota Exio4: Well I don't think "he doesn't have any argument left" is entirely fair to say.  The privacy debate was good.
02:42 Exio4 pehjota: he is trying and retrying trying to "defeat" the argument with saying stuff about RMS, not what he says
02:42 Peacock ok so whats your argument (about privacy)
02:42 Exio4 (he = rms)
02:42 Exio4 Peacock: if you didn't get it yet then you should go back to kindergarten
02:42 Exio4 i guess in that place is where you learn to read.
02:42 Peacock you never told me what you did thats needs to be kept secret?
02:43 Exio4 i already said
02:43 Exio4 i don't want 100% privacy but being able to have some privacy
02:43 Peacock 100% privacy is talking to people in person (something weird for geeks i know)
02:43 pehjota Peacock: No, I was basically just meta-defending your privacy arguments for a second there. ;)
02:44 Peacock unless you put up your phone/internet/snailmail network, you can never be assured of total privacy
02:44 Exio4 i want to be able to do something and not having all the people around me, and friend-of-friends-of-friends knowing it
02:44 Exio4 Peacock: try to go to someone's house that uses facebook or twitter
02:44 Peacock so your gov't lets all your neighbours know everytime you get layed?
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02:44 Exio4 he will probably say "at home with <yourname>"
02:44 Exio4 (s)he
02:45 Peacock not many people in north america i know that tags into every place anymore, that was a fad some years ago
02:45 Peacock when it was all new
02:45 Exio4 i don't said tag
02:45 Exio4 i said name
02:45 Peacock "checking in", "tag" etc.
02:45 pehjota Privacy is like security.  There's no such thing as total privacy.  The idea is just to make it sufficiently difficult for a government or company to learn more about you than you want them to.
02:45 Exio4 good way to say it
02:45 Exio4 a very good way
02:46 Peacock like i said, i make it difficult by filling all my online profiles with bullshit
02:46 Exio4 suddenly, people around you, we end in the same
02:46 Peacock god knows facebook harasses me to fill all those out, so bogus schools, hometowns, locations, why not
02:46 Exio4 you need to make the people around you respect your privacy
02:46 Exio4 that doesn't happens
02:47 Exio4 Peacock: 95% of your friends are in X city
02:47 Exio4 or 90% or any "big number"
02:47 Exio4 or are in a small range of cities
02:47 Peacock you chose who you surround yourself with, how can they not now you value privacy more than me or the average guy?
02:47 Exio4 plus people that is in a small group goes to X school
02:47 Peacock im not terribly sedentary lol
02:47 Exio4 and you are in a "Italian Language study group" where those guys go day to whatever they do
02:48 Exio4 try to look around
02:48 Peacock ok, say the gov't knows all this about you, what can they do with it?
02:48 Exio4 they can know more about you that what you do
02:48 Exio4 but not just the gov
02:48 Exio4 normal people
02:48 Peacock ive managed to avoid collections for this long lol
02:49 Peacock and the gov't shares your adress with them too
02:49 Exio4 you don't understand it
02:49 Exio4 my main respect about privacy is for other people
02:49 Exio4 i don't like the idea of a friend of the sister of a cousin of an aunt of a friend knows what i'm doing at home at 3PM
02:50 Exio4 why is that even needed?
02:50 Peacock ive avoided collection agencies and ive avoided getting caught for growing weed, i have a pretty good idea of what not to put out there
02:50 Exio4 you do
02:50 Exio4 not the people around you
02:50 Exio4 i end in the same
02:50 Exio4 the main problem isn't the person "itself" but the related people
02:50 Peacock you need to chose your friends more wisely
02:51 Exio4 Peacock: try to check facebook
02:51 Exio4 like you were a friend
02:51 Peacock no one can even see my page on facebook unless i add them first
02:51 Exio4 yes
02:51 Exio4 like you were a friend
02:51 Exio4 i said.
02:51 kahrl or unless facebook redoes their privacy settings once again
02:52 Exio4 they will be useless, people doesn't use it
02:52 kahrl no but at least every half a year they reset something to public by default
02:52 Exio4 people will say "at the bed, fucking, with <guy>!" with friends-of-firneds
02:52 Peacock facebook changes their privacy settings all the time, you got to be vigilant or gtfo
02:52 Exio4 friends in the privacy-thingy
02:53 Peacock besides, ive gone from 1K friends to 13 friends for that reason
02:53 Exio4 ehm, i don't know how the stuff is called, nor i recall it
02:53 Exio4 do those 13 friends have 1K friends or just the same 13?
02:53 Peacock doesn't matter, friends of friends have no access
02:53 Exio4 .
02:53 Exio4 you still don't understand
02:53 Exio4 or what?
02:54 Peacock and if someone starts sharing my shit, i dont care if youre my sister, ill flush you
02:54 Exio4 the idea is avoiding that
02:54 Exio4 and being paranoic before someone is even able to share shit about you.
02:55 Exio4 still
02:55 Exio4 the main problem is the normal people
02:55 Peacock i understand your concerns, just not your paranoia
02:55 Exio4 aren't your parents uploading photos of when you were with them 4 months ago?
02:55 Exio4 (or 4 hours, i don't know you)
02:55 Peacock you could pull the same shit as me and probably get away with it because busting you is more expensive
02:56 Peacock no
02:56 Peacock my mother worked for the gov't, she knows better
02:56 Peacock and my fathers' gone
02:56 Exio4 why don't you let her upload photos about you
02:57 Exio4 with you, and so
02:57 Exio4 that is what all does, didn't you say you want to be with "that all"?
02:57 Peacock my mother worked for the PQ government during the FLQ terrorism crisis in the 70's, she knows better
02:57 Exio4 because being paranoic won't win?
02:57 Exio4 still
02:57 Exio4 sab 20 lug 2013, 23.57.43, ART
02:57 Exio4 getting late, 23:57
02:57 Peacock because being paranoid wont bring you any benefits, it will just stress you out more for when you really do have a problem to deal with
02:57 Exio4 inb4 sunday
02:58 Exio4 Peacock: i don't see the point of not being paranoic and giving data for free
02:58 Exio4 that is
02:58 Exio4 i guess i repeat(ed) this for like 50 times by now
02:58 Peacock i dont give away data, like i said, im full of shit where my profiles are concerned, but im not paranoid either
02:58 Exio4 at least
02:58 Exio4 you are being paranoic when doing that
02:59 Peacock naw,
02:59 Exio4 not "100% paranoic" but if you didn't care about that
02:59 Peacock it was common sense even back in the 90s
02:59 Peacock nigerian prince scams aren't new
02:59 Exio4 back in the 90s
02:59 Exio4 you talk like you were 80yo
02:59 Peacock you dont tell the internet when you go on vacation and post your adress
02:59 Peacock nearly in my 30s
02:59 Exio4 you normally upload photos about your vacation
03:00 Exio4 because it is the logic right now
03:00 Peacock dude, i cant afford a vacation, thats why im alot more concerned with real wages and quality of life
03:00 Exio4 you say that like being paranoic was a full time activity
03:01 Peacock the way people talk about it, yeah it seems that way lol
03:01 pehjota Exio4: It's Sunday for you now. :P  (23:01 here.)
03:01 Exio4 pehjota: yes :P
03:01 Exio4 [00:01:06] <pehjota> Exio4: It's Sunday for you now. :P  (23:01 here.)
03:01 Exio4 23:01:06!
03:01 Peacock 23hrs here too
03:01 Exio4 (i guess the server is synced :P)
03:01 Peacock DST
03:01 Exio4 ART
03:02 Exio4 i'm argentinian, you probably know
03:02 Exio4 and you are canadian maudevic, no?
03:02 Exio4 or how was your nick spelled
03:02 pehjota Exio4: Yeah: "23:01:06 <pehjota> Exio4: It's Sunday for you now. :P  (23:01 here.)" :)
03:02 Exio4 hehe
03:02 pehjota (NTP FTW.)
03:02 * Exio4 highfives pehjota
03:03 pehjota \o
03:03 Exio4 o/ :P
03:04 pehjota And I'm from the East coast of the USA (EST/EDT).
03:04 Peacock black jesus i just realized today was/is saturday lol
03:05 pehjota Yay Saturn's Day.
03:06 Peacock wife's hours changed this week and i was all fucked up when i woke up and breakfast was missing :/
03:06 Peacock j/k
03:20 pehjota Someone should point PilzAdam to this log ^ tomorrow – show him what he started by saying not to use Google Search. ;)
03:21 Peacock lol, but then the whole discussion would start over :p
03:22 pehjota In any case, Peacock, you should try Ixquick and Startpage.  They don't "duckducksuck".  Their results are pretty good (they better be; Ixquick's been doing metasearch since 1998 as I said). ;)
03:23 pehjota I mostly just use Startpage (basically a proxy for Google), but I sometimes try Ixquick and find it gives even better results.
03:23 Peacock well with chromium typing anything in the adress bar tends to take you to google search
03:23 pehjota Peacock: Change that in the settings.
03:24 hdastwb or use Firefox…
03:24 pehjota (I don't remember how to do that, but it's possible to use Chromium without it sending everything you do to Google.)
03:24 Peacock i prefer chromium *because* when i fuck up the adress it brings me to the likeliest thing i was looking for lol
03:25 Peacock and firefox at the time, offered no easy way to sync bookmarks across computers
03:25 hdastwb I think it does now, but I haven't used it
03:25 Peacock there are addons, but addons break everytime firefox has a version change
03:26 pehjota Peacock: You know, helping people not fuck up addresses is the reason DNS was designed in the first place.  You really fuck up domains that often? ;)
03:26 hdastwb there: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-sync-take-your-bookmarks-and-tabs-with-you
03:26 Peacock and before anyone says syncing is evil, i have a seperate account just for chromium lol
03:27 Peacock one other thing that drove me to insanity was the whole browser crashing when one page acted up
03:27 pehjota Yeah, like hdastwb mentioned, Firefox Sync.
03:28 pehjota Peacock: One page == Adobe Flash Player?  Or some JavaScript program?
03:28 hdastwb yeah, but it doesn't spawn millions of different processes that overrun your computer
03:28 Peacock the processes are there tho so it's only the tab that crashes and not everything else
03:29 pehjota I run Mozilla Firefox (Debian Iceweasel, really) for months on end with hundreds (sometimes a thousand or so) tabs open at once.  It never crashes.
03:29 pehjota And I have only one firefox-bin process.
03:29 Peacock and yeah, its usually javascript that does it lol
03:29 pehjota Peacock: Easy: NoScript.
03:29 Peacock i got flashblock and all, but not noscript since its too impractical
03:29 ShadowNinja A thousand?
03:29 pehjota ShadowNinja: Yes, I'm bad at closing things… ;)
03:29 hdastwb granted, I've never experienced a browser crash because of content on the pages I'm looking at; both seem to isolate themselves well
03:30 Peacock with noscript most sites don't work properly
03:30 ShadowNinja Me too, but I have a few dozen at amx.
03:30 hdastwb I'll admit to abusing tab groups…
03:30 Peacock and im too tired to make exceptions for every site i like lol
03:30 ShadowNinja s/at amx/max/
03:31 * ShadowNinja is running /clearobjects again.
03:31 pehjota Peacock: There used to be something called "degrading gracefully".  What kind of shit Web sites do you use that won't work at all without JavaScript?
03:31 Peacock most of them
03:31 hdastwb I currently have 66 tabs open in my minetest tab group; I use the dropdown thing to manage them since the tabbar can't scroll accurately enough
03:32 pehjota Even Facebook has a "mobile" version that requires no JavaScript, I believe.
03:32 Peacock pure HTML/CSS sites are rare these days
03:32 hdastwb pure HTML/CSS doesn't give web developers very many options with the implementations of their sites either
03:33 Peacock well anything with dynamic features is going to involve one or more scripting languages
03:33 Peacock usually php/asp + javascript
03:33 VanessaE html + css + a bit of js is enough for my site at least :)
03:33 hdastwb AJAX is almost always preferable to reloading entire pages, but you can't do that without Javascript
03:33 VanessaE (but then, mine looks like it was designed in 1995 :P )
03:33 Peacock god knows i used to make good money off pretty basic websites lol
03:34 ShadowNinja VanessaE: What is your map size now?
03:34 Peacock people thought it was rocket science then
03:34 VanessaE ShadowNinja: 1.4GB
03:35 * ShadowNinja wonders if and when redcrab will update...
03:35 Peacock update map or client?
03:35 pehjota Anyway, I'm finally going to bed now before it becomes Sun's Day here too. :P
03:35 ShadowNinja Hmmm: http://ix.io/6M2
03:36 VanessaE ShadowNinja: probably not for a long while yet, if ever - many of his mods are out of date and his mapfile is broken
03:36 VanessaE he's still on 0.4.4, so I understand anyway
03:37 Peacock not bad
03:37 ShadowNinja Why is the moddb under the forum?
03:40 VanessaE ?
03:42 ShadowNinja VanessaE: forum.minetest.net/mmdb
03:43 VanessaE ohyes
03:43 ShadowNinja Uses the forum login?
03:43 VanessaE don't remember any details though - probably to be used with the mod manager that's in the client
03:44 Megaf_ so, How do I unban someone from my server?
03:44 Megaf_ I used the /ban nick command
03:44 * ShadowNinja wants his normal nick on the forums. :'(
03:44 ShadowNinja Megaf_: /unban nick
03:48 Megaf_ that would not work, it crashes the server
03:48 VanessaE Megaf_: edit worlds/yourworld/ipban.txt and then restart your server.
03:49 VanessaE one line per ban, so just delete the offending line, if /unban doesn't work
03:50 kahrl /unban has been broken in 0.4.7, it was fixed shortly after that
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03:51 Peacock do wildcards work in ingame bans?
03:52 ShadowNinja Peacock: No.
03:52 kahrl there are only IP bans, actually
03:52 ShadowNinja CIDR bans would be nice...
03:53 Peacock hm, so some random Guest account is banned 'till i remember the 4 digits that came after lol
03:53 Peacock otherwise with wildcards id just do /ban Guest*
03:54 Peacock i suppose its still possible with a mod, onjoinplayer and regex
03:54 ShadowNinja Peacock: Look in ipban.txt. It will be listed there.
03:55 Peacock oh well, this particular world is going to hell, the griefers already got started wit hthe lava lol
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03:57 Peacock http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/39903800.jpg
04:01 Mallot1 hey
04:01 Mallot1 "The procedure entry point __gxx_personality_v0 could not be located in the dynamic link library F:Projects\Coding programs\CodeBlocks\irrlicht-1­.8\lib\Irrlicht.dll." What did u do wrong?
04:01 Mallot1 "The procedure entry point __gxx_personality_v0 could not be located in the dynamic link library F:Projects\Coding programs\CodeBlocks\irrlicht-1­.8\lib\Irrlicht.dll." What did i do wrong?
04:02 Peacock posting it twice doesn't help :p
04:04 Peacock did you try irrlick 1.7?
04:04 kahrl well it's obvious, your irrlicht has a personality disorder
04:05 Peacock his irrlicht was likely arrested in a stolen car wearing women's clothes :p
04:05 Mallot1 ?
04:05 Peacock lol j/k
04:05 Mallot1 lol
04:05 Mallot1 and  changed something th esecond post
04:06 Mallot1 changed u to i
04:06 Peacock well i heard someone say irrlicht 1.8 was buggy, dont know if its true
04:07 Peacock maybe its just your install though, did you try reinstalling?
04:07 kahrl did you use the MSVC irrlicht.dll with mingw?
04:07 hdastwb ah; see, there's our C++ compilers not being binary-compatible issue again
04:08 Mallot1 what is that?
04:08 Mallot1 i used the gcc version
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04:08 hdastwb I think you're good then…
04:09 kahrl maybe it uses the msvc one through your %PATH% or something
04:10 hdastwb the problem is that there's no standardization as to how library code is represented in shared libraries (DLLs for Windows), thus different compilers do things differently and make it hard to link cross-compiler
04:11 kahrl well, there is, but only for C
04:11 hdastwb the other problem is that calling MSVC a C++ compiler is a bit of a long shot…
04:11 kahrl not C++
04:11 hdastwb yes, I was just talking about C++ code
04:11 Peacock is he compiling on windows or trying to run binaries?
04:12 Exio4 C ftw :>
04:12 Peacock B ftw
04:12 hdastwb he's got Code::Blocks on his path; I'm assuming he's compiling
04:12 Peacock yeah, he'd have better luck with those ready-made binaries people put up (on windows anyways)
04:13 hdastwb …and watch as the big argument we just had on -dev migrates to this channel
04:13 Peacock please no, dev arguments for dev channel
04:13 Peacock :p
04:13 VanessaE "ready-made binary" -->  http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-46d1d70-win32.7z
04:13 Peacock we just had a big one about privacy an hour ago :p
04:13 VanessaE in case Mallot1's just has a bad copy
04:13 VanessaE -'s
04:15 Mallot1 im not trying to install minetest
04:15 Mallot1 in trying to use irrlicht
04:16 VanessaE ohhh
04:16 hdastwb have you linked the static library into your program?
04:16 hdastwb you probably did; that was a stupid question…
04:16 Mallot1 Irrlicht.h?
04:17 Mallot1 heres my code:
04:17 Peacock what did #irrlicht have to say?
04:17 hdastwb you'd pass it in using a -l flag on the command line
04:17 hdastwb or, with Code::Blocks, in the project settings
04:17 Mallot1 http://pastebin.com/2vyd4DH4
04:18 hdastwb how are you compiling it?
04:18 Mallot1 i have to go in a couple minites
04:18 Mallot1 by clicking build and run
04:19 Mallot1 . #irrlicht noone is active
04:19 Mallot1 the period is a typo
04:22 Exio4 [01:19:36] <Mallot1>  . #irrlicht noone is active
04:22 Exio4 how much did you wait
04:23 Mallot1 well someone anwserd an hour ago
04:23 Mallot1 a asked a question 5 minites ago
04:23 Mallot1 and i have to go in a couple of minites
04:24 VanessaE minutes*
04:24 Mallot1 ok
04:25 Exio4 you are doing it wrong, then
04:25 Exio4 you ask, then wait for some hours
04:25 Exio4 if you don't see a response, you go to the forums
04:25 Exio4 but before doing all of this
04:25 Exio4 you should have rtfm(ed) and used a search engine to look around
04:26 Exio4 if you aren't able to get useful info, or you can't understand it, go back and try to get the proper bases first
04:26 Exio4 if not, this is a deadend
04:26 Exio4 anyway
04:26 Exio4 good night
04:27 Peacock all your bases are belong to us
04:27 Mallot1 i gtg
04:28 Mallot1 and u NEVER give up
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04:43 Peacock in the server list, what does C/D/P mean?
04:43 VanessaE creative, damage enabled, pvp enabled
04:43 VanessaE I think.
04:43 Peacock must be a bug because i have damage disabled and mine says CDP
04:43 Peacock unless D is for something else
04:44 VanessaE I'm probably wrong then :P
04:44 Peacock i thought p meant public tho so heh lol
05:04 VanessaE bbl
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05:30 Peacock anybody using ubuntu services should change their passwords
05:30 Peacock http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html?p=11488790
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07:36 PoorBstrd Hi
07:37 VanessaE hi
07:37 PoorBstrd I would like to point something out
07:38 VanessaE careful, that could be dangerous ;)
07:39 nalkri I'd like PoorBstrd to point something out
07:39 nalkri The curiosity is driving me mad
07:39 PoorBstrd http://bpaste.net/show/4AhFBmalHja53WJnl0js/
07:39 PoorBstrd The side of the list goes off the screen[/irrelevant]
07:40 Calinou huh?
07:40 * Calinou won their prediction
07:40 Calinou you pasted a banlist, I did /banlist
07:40 VanessaE what's so special abotu the ban list?
07:40 PoorBstrd ALL the entries match an IP i have had once!
07:41 PoorBstrd ...Probably
07:41 VanessaE most of them are proxies
07:41 VanessaE afaik anyway
07:42 PoorBstrd http://bpaste.net/show/GvNtsvGrqr07CZ8riekp/
07:42 PoorBstrd my ip is at the top
07:43 PoorBstrd if i restart my router, is it possible to get a same IP as i previously had?
07:43 VanessaE sometimes
07:43 nalkri I will always get the same 8 as befor
07:43 VanessaE but 86.158.* doesn't appear in the ban list, so you needn't worry
07:43 nalkri *before
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07:44 PoorBstrd But, you see my ip changes
07:44 PoorBstrd Last record by system: 86.142.63.81
07:44 VanessaE if your IP changes so radically that you gotta worry about which class-B you're on, you should stop using proxies/tor/etc to sign onto irc
07:45 VanessaE your ISP isn't likely to move you from one network segment to another randomly like that
07:45 * VanessaE pokes Taoki[mobile]
07:46 Calinou what did Taoki[mobile] do? :P
07:46 VanessaE he signed on ;)
07:46 Taoki[mobile] Hi
07:46 nalkri I died on spawn and then my client crashed :(
07:46 Taoki[mobile] Yeah, on thw road now
07:47 PoorBstrd Perhaps you didnt quite get my point
07:47 Taoki[mobile] I wish there was an android minetest roo
07:48 VanessaE eventually I'm sure there will be :)
07:48 MasterBot Could you unban me?
07:48 VanessaE if you were banned, you wouldn't be able to chat in here :P
07:49 MasterBot I am banned
07:50 MasterBot markveidemanis MarkTwain
07:50 Calinou Taoki[mobile]: it would probably be too slow
07:50 MasterBot Calinou: Minecraft isnt
07:50 Calinou if your app isn't made for ARM-style workloads then it's goin to be slow
07:50 MasterBot On my tablet
07:50 Calinou MasterBot: minecraft is a very lightweight C++ recode
07:50 Calinou the pocket edition
07:51 Calinou Taoki[mobile]: maybe on a good smartphone/tablet it would be playable
07:51 MasterBot Then make the same for minetest, i think its already in progress
07:51 MasterBot mosstest?
07:51 Calinou mosstest is java, and is pointless
07:51 Taoki[mobile] On my Galaxy S3 it should work
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08:24 Calinou finally github decided to not show that obnoxious "1000+ commits"
08:24 Calinou minetest has 2,971 commits
08:37 PenguinDad https://pod.geraspora.de/posts/1413792 :D
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09:24 pitriss Hi all. I need bit help with luacontroller programing.. I'm playing on landrush server an there i'm trying to program lua controller.. .. when I'm use if event.type == "on" then ... end then my code is working..
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09:25 MasterBot Hello
09:25 pitriss ..but when I try if event.type == "on" and event.pin == "B" then ... end then my code won't work..
09:25 pitriss where I did mistake?
09:25 MasterBot What are you trying to do?
09:26 pitriss MasterBot: Hi.
09:26 MasterBot if pin.b == true then
09:27 pitriss Im trying to detect which pin get on signal to decide action.. event.pin was in examples on internet but it looks broken.. i will try your solution:)
09:27 MasterBot Wait..
09:28 MasterBot if pin.b then
09:28 MasterBot thats shorter and correct
09:30 pitriss MasterBot: ok:)
09:32 pitriss MasterBot: yes it seems ok..:) Thank you..
09:32 MasterBot No worries
09:33 Peacock im guessing pin.b isn't a bool
09:41 MasterBot yes it is
09:41 MasterBot :)
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09:44 Peacock ahhh, i see what he did there lol event.pin == 'B" instead of pin.b
09:45 MasterBot When you SET ports, it is important to use port.a = true
09:47 MasterBot Anyone have any experience optimizing a website?
09:47 MasterBot i am having trouble
09:48 Peacock if you were coding it ten years ago i could help, im pretty useless now though
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10:13 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101194#p101194
10:13 Calinou lol
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10:27 arsdragonfly http://imgur.com/WA6RoRA
10:27 arsdragonfly double epic fail :-P
10:28 arsdragonfly notice that there's a bottle on the edge
10:35 nalkri Does the server care about interact being in the centre of view?
10:37 nalkri I'm guessing it never knows but...
10:37 Calinou nalkri: interact being in the centre of view?
10:37 nalkri The crosshair being in the centre of the view
10:37 Calinou no, anticheat doesn't prevent mining behind you or stuff like that
10:37 nalkri Cool :)
10:37 Calinou but it prevents mining from far away
10:37 Calinou lol "cool"
10:38 Calinou le haxor
10:38 nalkri I was just thinking of using a Wii remote or similar
10:38 nalkri I'm certainly no elite hacksaw
10:39 nalkri of course using a game 'troller would pretty much require voice
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10:50 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:50 Calinou hi
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10:51 MasterBot Hi
10:59 mitori http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon
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11:15 PenguinDad Preview Picture of my next mod. http://mg.viewskew.com/u/penguidad/m/morefences-preview/
11:18 PilzAdam is the second from the left a pumpkin fence?
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11:20 PenguinDad It's a bronze fence.
11:22 PilzAdam you definitely need a pumpkin fence
11:22 Calinou nyancat fences or nothing
11:23 PenguinDad I have nyancat fences
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11:33 PenguinDad PilzAdam: here a pumpkin fence http://mg.viewskew.com/u/penguidad/m/morefences-pumpkin-fence/
11:33 Calinou >viewskew
11:37 PilzAdam new win build: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
11:40 PenguinDad Mithril Fences will be added ,too
11:41 Calinou weren't apples supposed to heal 0.5 heart?
11:41 Calinou they heal 2 hearts on VanessaE's server
11:42 MasterBot Have a heart, Calinou!
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11:43 PilzAdam Calinou, moretrees overrides them
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11:45 MasterBot You can't have an input unless you get more than half of one
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11:46 PenguinDad Hi meldrian
11:46 meldrian hey ho
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11:48 MasterBot !server players:most
11:48 MinetestBot MasterBot: LandRush Server | 205.185.115.160:31000 | Clients: 13/15, 15 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.296
11:48 MasterBot !server players:most ping:least
11:48 MinetestBot MasterBot: LandRush Server | 205.185.115.160:31000 | Clients: 13/15, 15 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.296
11:48 MasterBot fair enough
11:49 MasterBot Error Access Denied: Too many Users
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12:02 PenguinDad !up 0gb.us
12:02 MinetestBot 0gb.us:30000 is up (375ms)
12:08 MinetestBot GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Fix light issue in 6d facedir. 0850d3fcf8 2013-07-21T05:06:18-07:00 http://git.io/kkEumw
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12:23 sudi hey
12:24 sudi are you doing some kind of occlusion testing before rendering?
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12:28 Calinou sudi: yes
12:28 Calinou if you have a compatible driver, of course
12:28 Calinou except when you're inside a block in noclip
12:29 sudi Calinou: what kind of occlusion testing?
12:29 Calinou what do you mean by "what kind"?
12:29 Calinou occlusion culling + view frustum culling
12:33 sudi how does the occlusion culling work?
12:33 sudi i mean
12:33 Calinou sudi: you can read the source code
12:33 sudi is it using the voxel data
12:33 sudi in an octree
12:33 sudi or are you rendering stuff to a buffer
12:33 sudi and filter like that
12:35 RealBadAngel its irrlicht stuff
12:36 RealBadAngel minetest world is an irrlicht scene node
12:36 RealBadAngel and all such computations are made by irllicht
12:36 sudi ok
12:36 sudi thx
12:36 sudi thats what i wanted to know
12:38 sudi so no special octree culling used there
12:38 RealBadAngel afaik no
12:39 RealBadAngel all the elements are just gathered together and thrown in into scene
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12:40 BlockMen hi everyone
12:42 RealBadAngel hi
12:43 PenguinDad G'Day
12:45 Calinou voxel, not octree
12:45 qwrwed RealBadAngel, I can't get Technic supply converters to work - I could get a HV-MV conversion fine, but not an MV-LV conversion https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101104#p101104
12:46 RealBadAngel qwrwed, i will take a look on it. its not my code, i have to read it
12:47 qwrwed ok
12:48 Zeg9 Hey qwrwed, long time
12:48 sudi Calinou: well since the voxel data could be easily put into an octree for visibility checking
12:48 qwrwed Hi Zeg9 :)
12:50 sudi btw you didn't happen to implement a marching cube algorythm or dual contouring?
12:50 sudi i mean just for testing
12:50 sudi ?
12:51 RealBadAngel i dont know even whats that lol
12:52 sudi RealBadAngel: marching cubes produces round feature meshes from voxel data
12:53 sudi dual contouring can produce both. round and sharp features(boxes)
12:53 RealBadAngel im reading now about it
12:53 RealBadAngel and i dont think its needed here
12:53 RealBadAngel for round things you can use meshes
12:53 sudi no its not
12:54 sudi well i am trying to build a level editor using voxel data for easy modeling of the enviroment
12:54 RealBadAngel you can import to minetest any model that irrlicht supports
12:54 sudi but since this editor is not supposed to produce minecraft like worlds
12:54 sudi its not that easy
12:55 sudi its not really related to minetest
12:56 sudi just wondering of some technics used
12:56 sudi i could still use in the editor
12:57 RealBadAngel for such questions you shall rather try irrlicht channel or forums
12:57 sudi well you guys obviously invested some time thinking about voxel worlds and represantation and storing
12:59 Calinou nothing wrong with blocks
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13:04 BlockMen RealBadAngle, btw thx for making drowning controlable by LUA
13:07 sudi Calinou: true but if you don't want them....or at least not everywhere
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13:25 john_minetest Hello everypony!
13:27 sudi https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel1.png
13:27 sudi https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel2.png
13:27 sudi https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel3.png
13:27 sudi https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel4.png
13:27 PilzAdam hello john_pony!
13:31 thexyz oh wow
13:32 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6611
13:33 PenguinDad But don't use it on a server!!1!
13:34 thexyz just don't use it
13:35 thexyz it's so insecure i don't even
13:36 Zeg9 "oh cool a terminal emulator for minetest"
13:36 Zeg9 That's what I thought when I saw the mod
13:36 Zeg9 When I read a bit more, I understood it was REALLY calling the commands...
13:37 john_minetest Hide that in a server modpack in some mesecons subdirectory with the name mese_switch_2 and take over the server...
13:37 Zeg9 mesecons with their command blocks is already enough :D
13:38 MasterBot sudo rm /
13:38 Zeg9 john_minetest: let's create a "server modpack"
13:39 PilzAdam john_minetest, echo "name = PilzAdam" >> minetest.conf; and you get the server priv after next restart
13:39 PilzAdam thats how you take over the server
13:39 john_minetest PilzAdam: Taking over the server is maybe not enough... If it is a windows server it would be easy 2 pwn.
13:40 john_minetest Imagine you play, enter a terminal and recompile minetest at the same time :D
13:41 john_minetest (As if it was too difficult to start a terminal and type something...)
13:41 thexyz PilzAdam: that was possible btw
13:41 PenguinDad :D
13:41 thexyz similar thing
13:42 BlockMen PilzAdam, your builtin mod was crashing Minetest+
13:42 john_minetest instead of pressing alt-shift-enter I prefer to enter /home, wait until I am warped there and enter the command in the terminal there...
13:42 BlockMen https://github.com/PilzAdam/builtin_item/blob/master/init.lua#L89
13:42 * PilzAdam hides
13:43 BlockMen that fixes ->https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_plus/blob/master/mods/builtin_item/init.lua#L89
13:43 john_minetest sudi: Are the pictures minetest screenshots or some other voxel game?
13:44 sudi john_minetest: didn't mean to post them here...
13:45 john_minetest oh, okay.
13:45 sudi had the wrong tap open when i was pasting the links
13:45 john_minetest :D
13:45 sudi and to answer the question
13:45 sudi its not minetest
13:46 PenguinDad Maybe Minecraft?
13:46 sudi PenguinDad: no
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13:47 Zeg9 sudi: a project you're working on?
13:47 Zeg9 (no kidding :p)
13:48 PenguinDad G'Day Jordach
13:48 Jordach morning
13:48 sudi Zeg9: yeah
13:48 PilzAdam sfan5, why doesnt MinetestBot just check if the nickname is identified? that would be better than hostmasks
13:52 Jordach PilzAdam, you only get a hostmask if youre identified
13:52 PilzAdam Jordach, ummm....
13:53 PilzAdam you may want to think about what you have said again
13:54 PilzAdam Zeg9, a picture is not a good bug report
13:55 pehjota Jordach: You're thinking of cloaks.
13:55 Zeg9 PilzAdam, There is no error
13:56 PilzAdam and you dont have hardware or a driver?
13:57 Zeg9 Linux 3.9.9-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jul 3 22:45:16 CEST 2013 x86_64
13:57 Zeg9 Using renderer: OpenGL 2.1
13:57 Zeg9 Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Desktop : Intel Open Source Technology Center
13:57 Zeg9 OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
13:57 Zeg9 GLSL version: 1.2
13:57 Zeg9 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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13:59 Yepoleb Is it possible to disable transparent leaves?
13:59 PenguinDad Yes
13:59 PilzAdam yes
14:00 Yepoleb how?
14:01 PenguinDad Disable fancy trees in settings.
14:03 Yepoleb thanks
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14:07 MasterBot !up minetest.org 30010
14:07 MinetestBot minetest.org:30010 seems to be down
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14:14 MasterBot !up google.com
14:14 MinetestBot google.com:30000 seems to be down
14:14 MasterBot !up google.com:80
14:14 MinetestBot MasterBot: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
14:14 MasterBot !up google.com 80
14:14 MinetestBot google.com:80 seems to be down
14:14 PilzAdam !ignore MasterBot
14:14 Exio4 aww
14:14 Exio4 i still have that cute +v
14:15 PilzAdam !devoice Exio4
14:15 Exio4 ew
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14:15 * Exio4 throws renewable obsidian to PilzAdam
14:16 MasterBot PilzAdam: you are a knob
14:16 PilzAdam I read it as "* Exio4 throws nothing to PilzAdam"
14:16 PenguinDad :D
14:16 Exio4 ew
14:17 Exio4 PilzAdam: how would you check if an user is identified?
14:18 PilzAdam there is a way
14:19 MasterBot the number thing
14:19 Exio4 PilzAdam: what way?
14:19 Exio4 i want to know a cheap way ofc
14:19 Exio4 not sending a who/is every line
14:20 Exio4 BlockMen: https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_plus/blob/master/mods/hud/hunger.lua#L23
14:20 Exio4 wouldn't be possible to just use "after 0"?
14:22 BlockMen Exio, i guess it would work. but i noticed different times (on other things) that after 0 is not working
14:22 BlockMen like for adding hud elements
14:22 Exio4 i just said that case
14:25 BlockMen Exio4, i will check if 0 is working; and is there a benefit?
14:26 Exio4 not 0.5 delay ;P
14:28 BlockMen if you will be able to eat something before its override i will change to 0 :P
14:28 BlockMen and it works with 0 btw
14:29 Exio4 i don't use MT+ though
14:30 Exio4 and as you handle all this stuff in the server, without any type of prediction i guess that game will work pretty well in singleplayer but will suck in MP
14:30 Exio4 where having a not-constant latency and possible lagspikes (because the internet is shared, you'll be downloading something maybe)  is a common thing
14:32 BlockMen well, since there is nearly no one playing this game and no server hosting it i dont know how Minetest+ works on MP
14:34 BlockMen so if anyone here could test MT+ on a server i would be grateful
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14:36 Exio4 i can setup a test server in this server, only for testing, would you try it?
14:36 Exio4 hi torified zeg9
14:36 PenguinDad G'Day Zeg9
14:36 Exio4 BlockMen: hi? :P
14:36 Zeg9 Hi :P
14:38 Zeg9 Exio4: how did you get this trekweb thing ?
14:38 BlockMen Exio4, that would be nice, thx
14:38 Exio4 having a #trekweb znc + asking for cloak to the GC :P
14:39 Exio4 BlockMen: lemme setup this, i will use the latest git, is that k? (for both, minetest & mt_plus)
14:39 BlockMen Exio4, yes, last git would be best (both) :)
14:40 Exio4 good
14:41 Exio4 compiling
14:41 BlockMen im kinda excited weather it lags as much as expected^^
14:42 Exio4 should i configure something before or just run the world?
14:42 BlockMen just run...no need to configure (i guess)
14:42 Exio4 i hope it doesn't kill me ;P
14:43 BlockMen thats an easter egg :P
14:43 Exio4 ew
14:43 Exio4 BlockMen: query?
14:44 BlockMen huh?
14:45 Exio4 private message
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14:52 PenguinDad What about waffles for minetest?
14:52 PenguinDad waffle.io
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15:10 * Jordach wonders if anyone plays zero-k.info
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15:26 Jordach Calinou, played zero-k yet?
15:28 Calinou no
15:29 PenguinDad What is zero-k?
15:29 Jordach http://zero-k.info :P
15:31 PenguinDad Don't like RTS games.
15:39 meldrian Jordach, thx4link, i'll check it out
15:40 PilzAdam inb4 new holarse article
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15:51 nalkri To Technic generators stack?
15:51 nalkri As in, can I make a stack of mills and just use one water block to power them all?
15:51 nalkri *and get all the power out of the bottom)
15:54 Jordach nope
15:54 Jordach one water turbine per 1 water source
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15:55 nalkri Cool, I'll make a grid then :)
15:56 PenguinDad Yeah, Rancon is interested on my Mod.
15:58 nalkri Jordach: but if I separated them by one each vertically it woulld work right?
15:58 Jordach nalkri, no
15:58 nalkri I thought all that mattered was flowing water
15:58 Jordach you have to have them separated by one nodes space, so like: x x x x
15:59 Jordach and wires underneath the turbine
15:59 nalkri Oh well, it won't be quite as pretty as I wanted then :)
16:00 pitriss nalkri: if you will find my house on landrush you can take look at my water mill farm:D
16:00 nalkri pitriss: send me coords?
16:00 nalkri I can't log in right now but I'll come see
16:00 nalkri I think it was near my Tower of Doom
16:01 PenguinDad !server players:most
16:01 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Clip Minetest server | 217.8.90.18:30001 | Clients: 11/12, 11 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.244
16:01 Jordach !deop OldCoder
16:02 pitriss nalkri: IDK coords but my home is visible on map, so i can take screenshot.. but I will send you coords when I finally connect to landrush:)
16:02 nalkri pitriss: thanks :)
16:04 * nalkri still thinks a nice stack of water mills would look pretty
16:04 Zeg9 !server
16:04 MinetestBot Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160
16:04 Zeg9 !server
16:04 MinetestBot Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160
16:04 Zeg9 -_-, why is it always this one?
16:05 MinetestBot I like IPv6
16:05 Jordach !server
16:05 MinetestBot Jordach: Megaf Server | megaf.no-ip.info | Clients: 5/25, 6 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.340
16:05 Jordach Zeg9, ^
16:05 nalkri !server
16:05 MinetestBot nalkri: LinuxGaming.us | LinuxGaming.us | Clients: 9/32, 15 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.211
16:05 Zeg9 !server
16:05 MinetestBot Zeg9: Clip Minetest server | 217.8.90.18:30001 | Clients: 8/12, 11 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.311
16:05 Zeg9 Ah. Worked that time :P
16:05 Zeg9 does players:least takes 0-player servers into account?
16:06 Zeg9 !server players:least
16:06 MinetestBot Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160
16:06 Zeg9 ^ seems so:p
16:06 PilzAdam !server players:leas players:>0
16:06 MinetestBot PilzAdam: No results
16:07 PilzAdam !server players:least players:>0
16:07 MinetestBot PilzAdam: No results
16:07 PilzAdam sfan5?
16:07 Zeg9 !server players:>0 players:least
16:07 MinetestBot Zeg9: [Non-24hr] CalumMc's Server | minetest.mcalinden.me.uk | Clients: 1/6, 2 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.158
16:07 Zeg9 :-)
16:07 PilzAdam ah
16:09 Zeg9 !server name:lol
16:09 MinetestBot Zeg9: No results
16:10 Zeg9 !server hosting-os:windows
16:10 MinetestBot Zeg9: No results
16:10 MinetestBot Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160
16:11 Zeg9 ARM cpu, hosting under windows ? weird.
16:18 proller ubuntu
16:19 NekoGloop meow
16:19 proller but now no info about hosting-os reported
16:20 NekoGloop !server players:most
16:20 MinetestBot NekoGloop: LinuxGaming.us | LinuxGaming.us | Clients: 9/32, 15 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.194
16:29 MasterBot Theres a special thing in irc that not many people know about
16:29 MasterBot what you do is, /q <user> and it lets you talk to that user !
16:30 MasterBot PilzAdam is not the only one who can mock
16:34 Zeg9 MasterBot: do you know about the /part trick ?
16:34 MasterBot no
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16:35 MasterBot what does that do?
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16:35 MasterBot ...
16:35 MasterBot Its like magic!
16:35 PilzAdam Zeg9, *highfive*
16:35 Zeg9 :-)
16:35 Jordach MasterBot, /part 0
16:36 MasterBot did it display the message i typed?
16:36 Zeg9 You probably didn't run the good command.
16:36 Zeg9 /part run_code{MinetestBot.admin()}
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16:37 Jordach !op
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16:37 Jordach sfan5, is sfan5| you?
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16:38 sfan5| I'm sfan5
16:39 PilzAdam sfan5|, phone?
16:40 sfan5| yep
16:40 Jordach !doep
16:40 Jordach !deop
16:41 Jordach sfan5|, didnt trust it
16:43 Jordach sfan5, you could have asked
16:44 * sokomine looks puzzled
16:44 sokomine i get strange effects in latest build...
16:44 sfan5| asked what?
16:44 sokomine kind of like a prism...
16:44 Jordach sfan5|, me, duh
16:45 Calinou sokomine: the NSA is spying minetest!
16:46 Jordach the was a spuy
16:46 Jordach spy*
16:47 sokomine here you can see the effect i'm puzzled about: http://mg.viewskew.com/u/sokomine/m/screenshot-35555951/
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16:48 sokomine calinou: at least that seems relatively unlikely :-) not many economic secrets to be gathered here...(except, perhaps, the upcoming market price for mese on redcrabs server? who knows!)
16:48 Exio4 MasterBot: /join 0
16:48 Exio4 it will join the 0 channel, => single channel for all the stuff
16:49 MasterBot Cool..
16:49 Exio4 did you try it?
16:49 Exio4 /quote join 0
16:49 Exio4 should work too
16:49 Zeg9 sokomine: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/840 ?
16:51 sokomine ah, looks similar, although those lights/streaks seem to converge on the crosshair in the center of the screen in my case
16:53 VanessaE PilzAdam, Calinou:  fixed the apple redef in moretrees.
16:53 VanessaE hi all.
16:53 PilzAdam hi Vennessa
16:54 VanessaE :P
16:55 PilzAdam oh, sry its Vennassa
16:55 Exio4 how do you reproduce it Zeg9?
16:55 Exio4 what configs?
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16:56 Jordach Uberi, you shouldn't be here at this time
16:56 Uberi it's a sunday!
16:56 Uberi also I just tested the voxelmanip version of WorldEdit, and I wanted to say that it makes the old version feel like a rust bucket
16:57 Jordach \o/
16:57 Uberi too bad only //set works at the moment :P
16:57 Jordach PilzAdam, you wanted me to render this right: http://mg.viewskew.com/u/starblessed/m/minecraft-test/
16:58 PilzAdam yes
16:58 Jordach almost done :)
16:58 PilzAdam nice
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17:00 sokomine uberi: yes, the voxelmanip is great!
17:01 sokomine do you have any secret hints as to how to convince hmmm to add something else to the schematic part? :-)
17:01 Uberi throw money at him
17:01 Uberi that always works for me
17:01 sokomine i'd really like that to accept a list of replacement nodes (replacements for the names in the schematic file), but he doesn't seem to be intrested and claims nobody else wants that :-(
17:01 sokomine hm. difficult :-( will he accept mese? :-)
17:02 Uberi what's the MESE -> USD rate these days?
17:02 Uberi what's a replacement?
17:02 nalkri Someone tell me that implimenting a hydrological cycle is insane
17:02 PilzAdam over 9000
17:02 PilzAdam nalkri, implementing a hydrologival cycle is insane
17:02 nalkri PilzAdam: thanks
17:02 PilzAdam -v+c
17:02 nalkri If you hadn't I might have done it
17:03 sokomine glad that could be avoided :-) would have only caused you a lot of work without really gaining much
17:03 nalkri Would have murdered any server it ran on
17:03 sokomine uberi: good question. perhaps stonesquares are the most valuable. they're very popular with griefers
17:03 Uberi sokomine: I mean, what is the feature you are requesting, specifically?
17:04 PilzAdam sokomine, hmmmm already said that he wants to do it
17:04 PilzAdam what you want now is that he does it faster, which may result in that he makes it slower
17:05 sokomine uberi: i want to change materials. whereever it says "default:brick" in the schematic, i want it to use i.e. default:clay. that could be done pretty easy because afaik the schematics-format stores a list of node names in its file and uses their indices later on (hmmm described it similar to a simplified mapchunk as stored in the database)
17:05 sokomine ohhhh! thanks!
17:05 sokomine that's very fine :-)
17:05 * sokomine hops around happily
17:05 sokomine no, i just didn't get that he said he wants to do it
17:05 Uberi if you write an mts file parser, you can probably do replacements purely through lua
17:06 Exio4 the idea is avoid 'that' too
17:06 sokomine last time i read something from him he was very reluctant
17:06 Exio4 like "schematic-scope" aliases
17:06 Exio4 i wonder how you reproduce those liquid glitches
17:06 Exio4 Zeg9 / sokomine
17:06 BlockMen bye everyone
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17:06 sokomine uberi: yes, that would be possible, but going through disk-i/o for that seems a bit..insane (reading file, changing value, storing file, function would read it again...)
17:07 sokomine exio: i just compiled the newest version some hours ago, logged into a server and got puzzled
17:07 Exio4 hm
17:07 PilzAdam Exio4, Zeg9, maybe I have done something insane here? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/413f0d0353d49d7baed32540d73cbec99e35658a#L1L429
17:07 Uberi sokomine: no no, I mean read it into a table and use place_schematic
17:07 sokomine it does not happen at every angle. and it's always pointing to the crosshair in the middle
17:08 Zeg9 PilzAdam: checking out to the previous commit seems to fix it
17:08 Zeg9 I don't know if it was introduced by this commit, or later ones
17:08 Exio4 VanessaE: i hate moretrees
17:08 Jordach Exio4, doesnt everybody?
17:08 VanessaE why?
17:09 * PilzAdam too
17:09 VanessaE :(
17:09 sokomine uberi: hmmm. but then some of the benefits of place_schematic would get lost? that it is such a compact format is a plus. expanding the table to the {name=bla, param1=blub, param2=x} format would most likely also consume more memory
17:09 Exio4 those amazingly-cute trees makes my FPS drop from 170 to 15 :(
17:09 * Exio4 should disable fancy trees
17:09 * sokomine loves the moretrees!
17:09 VanessaE not my fault :P
17:09 Exio4 they look pretty nice
17:09 Exio4 i was being ironic, they look pretty nice
17:09 sokomine they're great and make the world much nicer. i always enjoy seeing one of those big trees somewhere
17:09 VanessaE blame the folks who work on irrlicht and the rendering engine :-)
17:10 Uberi sokomine: yeah, it is a bit more mem intensive
17:10 Uberi but for most purposes it should be perfectly fine
17:10 Uberi I was using it for WE with a 1.2 million node area, barely noticable
17:10 sokomine uberi: that schematic format is a very nice, very compact, very close to the one used by the map itshelf. that's why i'd like to use it more :)
17:11 Uberi yep
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17:11 sokomine i still had issues with importing a 1024x256x1024 map, but that was an out of memory issue, and there seems to be a better solution for importing minecraft classic maps now
17:14 Uberi 268435456 nodes O_o
17:14 sokomine restore it at night :)
17:15 Exio4 sokomine: how many ram do you have?
17:15 sokomine slightly more than mathematics would tell because it may not be aligned to what the map internally uses
17:15 sokomine 8gb
17:16 Exio4 tell VanessaE to convert it :P
17:16 sokomine this is a new machine. the old one had only 4. i'm glad i took the cheap celeron - its integrated graphics are very fine for minetest and much faster than what i had before
17:16 sokomine :-)
17:16 Exio4 sokomine: cheap celeron?
17:16 Exio4 did you have the mobo?
17:17 Exio4 or got it for "nearly nothing"?
17:17 sokomine i was told that hmmm wrote a converter that works offline and puts the result directly into the database. that seems like a better approach. i just couldn't get it to run yet :-(
17:17 Exio4 (read this as: how much did the "upgrade" cost for you)
17:17 Exio4 what converter?
17:17 nalkri I did a quick search but can't find it, can we modify the rate of sun movement?
17:17 Uberi that sounds really useful, now that I think of it
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17:18 Exio4 nalkri: time_speed?
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17:18 nalkri Exio4: well, I wanted to do seasons
17:18 sokomine no, bought everything new. but the board was relatively cheap as well (only slightly more than the processor). found out i needed a new psu as well because the old one was still needed and all other ones did not have the connectors for...er...what boards currently have
17:18 nalkri So it needs to go sometimes faster during the day and sometimes faster at night
17:19 Exio4 nalkri: ah
17:19 Exio4 ask proller
17:19 nalkri Exio4: for seasons :D
17:19 sokomine nalkri: are you familiar with the 4seasons mod?
17:19 nalkri I'd also like a sun and moon that aren't in a Kepler
17:19 nalkri sokomine: no, I'll search that now
17:19 sokomine it's a mod that changes dirt with grass and leave nodes depending on season. autum and winter look nicest
17:20 nalkri Day length is key for me though
17:20 VanessaE nalkri: RealBadAngel is working on that already I think
17:21 nalkri Great community here :)
17:21 nalkri Helpful and when I'm stupid you tell me so politely
17:21 Exio4 normally the people says we are all assholes and butthurts and should die in the hell but whatever :D
17:21 VanessaE all it really requires is to gradually vary the angle of the ecliptic e.g. at 90 degrees to the horizon, its summer, maybe at 45 degrees its winter or something
17:21 PilzAdam nalkri, havent met me yet?
17:22 nalkri PilzAdam: you've been nice to me so far
17:22 VanessaE (and of course it requires making the day/night transition follow the sun's distance to the horizon)
17:22 PilzAdam then try to pull request something into minetest_game :-p
17:22 nalkri Doing it with ecliptic would be optimal
17:22 sokomine yes, the irc channel is kind of..problematic. it's usual that there are ragequits after chats on irc :-(
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17:22 nalkri Better?
17:22 Exio4 haha
17:24 nalkri I wish my brain didn't keep mentioning tides to me in relation to this game
17:27 * Jordach is considering making a minetest movie in blender
17:27 PilzAdam Jordach, "this is minetest!"?
17:27 Jordach PilzAdam, I've learned a great deal more about blender, might try that
17:29 Jordach instead of a stupidly high render quality, like most minecraft movies, i'll try to stick to the game level graphics
17:29 Exio4 how would you render it
17:30 Exio4 isn't your computer pretty sucky?
17:30 Jordach Exio4, CTRL + F12
17:30 Jordach Exio4, it can handle punishment
17:30 Jordach i've been to 200000 verts+
17:31 * Jordach suggests making a time lapse of making a minetest blender render
17:31 Exio4 Jordach: i mean, you can render it in a phone too, it would be painfully slow tho
17:32 sokomine i've tried out minecraft on a mobile phone recently. it...did work. but that was about it. i wouldn't really want to build anything with such aninterface....
17:32 Exio4 my phone can't handle it
17:33 nalkri Minecraft PE isn't terrible
17:33 nalkri But I can't run it on my current phone
17:33 Jordach it isn't that bad
17:33 Jordach i can play it on a 7'' tablet
17:33 Jordach but i always die :P
17:33 nalkri it was just about playable on a 4"
17:33 nalkri But my current phone is 2.7"
17:42 Jordach PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/ceDSdlQ.png
17:47 Jordach PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/PHUPvVa.png
17:48 nalkri Obsidian is renewable with Nether mod :D
17:50 Uberi btw, vmanip data table seems to have undefined behavior when a key is nil
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17:52 Jordach JESUS CHRIST
17:52 Jordach i found the source image to the Minecraft Test image
17:52 Jordach \o/
17:52 Jordach http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/wallpaper/sunset_clouds_landscapes_nature_grass_fields_sunlight_digital_desktop_2560x1600_hd-wallpaper-1007538.jpg vs http://mg.viewskew.com/u/starblessed/m/minecraft-test/
17:53 VanessaE none of the images in the first link resemble the second
17:53 Jordach ignore steve
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17:53 Jordach the background is slightly colourised
17:53 DanDuncombe Why is this? forum.minetest.net uses an invalid security certificate.  The certificate is only valid for the following names:   users.minetest.ru , minetest.ru    (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)
17:53 VanessaE the site ignored your attempt to direct-link to the image file.
17:53 Jordach VanessaE, well fuck
17:53 Jordach Vadtec, http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/nature/sunset-clouds-landscapes-nature-grass-fields-sunlight-digital-desktop-hd-wallpaper-1007538/
17:53 Jordach better, had to backpedal
17:54 VanessaE indeed so
17:54 VanessaE an exact match
17:54 PilzAdam Jordach, we are getting somewhere :-)
17:54 Jordach what are the chances
17:57 DanDuncombe Has someone done something to the forum because I was on it 5 minutes ago?
17:58 VanessaE Jordach: my husband and I have many beautiful High quality images on wikipedia/wikimedia if you need something comparable to that
17:58 VanessaE (and they're all cc-by-sa)
17:58 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, why do you connect to it with https?
17:58 DanDuncombe Do I
17:58 DanDuncombe How can I not do that?
17:59 PilzAdam connect via normal http
17:59 DanDuncombe how?
18:00 PilzAdam just remove the s
18:00 DanDuncombe I did and I got the same message and the thing at the top had switched back to https
18:01 Uberi do I need to do anything with the voxmanip to free the emerged blocks?
18:01 PilzAdam Uberi, no, just write_to_map()
18:01 Uberi in other words, do the emerged blocks stay stuck as emerged and need to be unloaded manually?
18:01 Uberi PilzAdam: what if I'm just doing reading?
18:02 PilzAdam then just do nothing
18:02 Uberi ah thanks
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18:15 pehjota DanDuncombe: The cert I get has a subject CN of "forum.minetest.net" and is valid beginning on 2013-07-20 00:24:42 UTC.  Maybe you got an older cert?
18:17 Jordach VanessaE, take a look
18:18 VanessaE at?
18:19 Jordach your images
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18:19 * Jordach is back from the thing that cleans
18:19 VanessaE oh, I figured you'd just search wikimedia commons.  look for "Abe Ezekowitz" and also me.
18:21 PilzAdam hmm.. there are no results when searching for "Vennassa"
18:22 PilzAdam (and no, I wont stop this anytime soon :-p)
18:23 * Jordach considers slapping PilzAdam with 6.72mm rounds
18:23 Jordach s/slapping/peppering
18:23 Jordach pew pew pew
18:26 VanessaE PilzAdam: pet peeve of mine.  my name is fucking spelled out right here in IRC and everywhere else it appears.  If someone can't even get *that* right, they need to go back to school and learn to read :P
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18:27 PilzAdam I suggest you to add an extra highlight for Vennassa or you wont get any messages from me anymore :-p
18:27 * Jordach considers hunting PilzAdam down
18:28 VanessaE in that case I will simply ignore said messages :P
18:29 Jordach VanessaE, http://imgur.com/gallery/KUiTpJf
18:29 Jordach !title
18:29 MinetestBot Jordach: There are miracles happening at Walmart! - Imgur
18:30 Jordach in other news: http://i.imgur.com/d9IWLzs.jpg <- PilzAdam
18:30 Calinou +1 for GIMP
18:30 Jordach 2.6.12 to be exact
18:30 Jordach i hate the export feature
18:31 PilzAdam it requires a lot more works
18:31 PilzAdam -s
18:32 Calinou pressing E instead of S
18:33 PilzAdam Calinou, and 3 more clicks when closing GIMP because you havent saved yet
18:34 VanessaE PilzAdam: or just ctrl-Q, click once to close all
18:34 Calinou yep
18:34 VanessaE (or shift-ctrl-W to close all without quitting)
18:34 VanessaE hardly more clicks/keystrokes, but their decision to split save vs. export was just stupid
18:35 Calinou the GNU weight®
18:35 VanessaE (that and export-overwriting an image on the first save should not ask you a ton of questions)
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18:43 Jordach lol, netsplit
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18:47 Jordach PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/McBvBQz.jpg
18:47 Jordach still not perfect
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18:51 Jordach ooh shit
18:51 john_minetest Jordach: You should make a chell skin and place it in a field.
18:51 Jordach system froze D:
18:51 john_minetest With a hut.
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18:51 Jordach john_minetest, i've had a portal 2 chell for a VERY LONG TIME
18:51 Megaf_ where can I get this mod folks? http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Mods/More_Blocks
18:51 Jordach https://github.com/calinou/calinou_mods
18:52 Jordach !title
18:52 MinetestBot Jordach: Calinou/calinou_mods · GitHub
18:52 Jordach Megaf_, that link
18:52 Jordach john_minetest, http://i.imgur.com/SfblUEx.png
18:52 Jordach look at the skin list
18:53 john_minetest Jordach: Now you only need a picture of a field and a hut.
18:53 Jordach john_minetest, http://i.imgur.com/tXIEfuL.png
18:54 john_minetest Jordach: She looks fat in that suit ;)
18:56 Jordach john_minetest, you're adopted
18:56 Jordach s/john_minetest/PilzAdam/
18:59 john_minetest Jordach: I will tell my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down.
19:00 Jordach Oh I like this guy.
19:01 Jordach and caught off guard by my rotating wallpaper
19:01 Jordach got a screamer type image
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19:03 hoodedice Hello
19:04 john_minetest Jordach: He is saying what we all think.
19:04 john_minetest hoodedice: Hi.
19:04 Calinou ##uno
19:04 Jordach john_minetest, artillery + combustible lemons
19:04 Calinou anyone wants to play uno? :p
19:04 hoodedice Question1. What makes 3d objects buggy
19:04 hoodedice ?
19:04 Calinou buggy?
19:04 hoodedice laggy
19:05 hoodedice as in the carts mod
19:05 hoodedice or the helicopter, or the airship mod
19:05 Calinou ask the way minetest is networked
19:05 hoodedice And yes, I am talking about minetest here
19:05 Calinou this is a problem that always happens
19:05 hoodedice networked. As in?
19:05 Calinou insane lag when a server is started for a while
19:05 hoodedice Lag between the server and client?
19:06 Calinou well, the devs decided to write their own UDP network stack
19:06 Calinou yes
19:06 hoodedice I'm talking about singlelayer. Theoretically, there should be no lag
19:06 Jordach Calinou, there should be blackjack and texas hold'em
19:06 Calinou hoodedice, try typing a dummy command such as /l
19:06 Calinou and notice the delay between you type it and you get "invalid command"
19:07 hoodedice In IRC?
19:07 Calinou no in-game
19:07 hoodedice I'm not getting any sort of 'invalid command'
19:08 hoodedice hmm. wait a bit
19:08 Calinou hoodedice, then you are lagging
19:09 hoodedice Instant.
19:09 hoodedice with no mods.
19:12 hoodedice Hmm, that's weird
19:13 hoodedice So, you are basically saying that to implement PIlzAdam's carts roperly, one much have a powerful PC?
19:13 Yepoleb VanessaE: Have you been working on the fluid storage tanks?
19:14 VanessaE no
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19:15 hoodedice Hey Calinou, I tried it out, and I get no lag
19:15 Calinou_ hoodedice, try carts at the same moment
19:15 Calinou_ and see if the game starts lagging
19:16 hoodedice I was at 5 FPS. Will try with carts...
19:17 Calinou FPS? then it isn't lag
19:17 john_minetest hoodedice: when you press "r" you can switch view distance limiting.
19:18 hoodedice FPS has no relation with 3D lag? weird.
19:18 hoodedice @john I did that
19:18 john_minetest + and - for calibration of view.
19:18 john_minetest if your view distance is low, fps should be higher.
19:18 Calinou "3D lag" no.
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19:18 Calinou also get better hardware
19:18 hoodedice Dude, @John I know that
19:19 hoodedice C2D 'is recommended'
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19:19 john_minetest I can't imagine 5 FPS with unmodded minetest. That's nearly what I achieve with hardware render on my 2.0 GHz singlecore...
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19:19 hoodedice Full view?
19:20 Calinou make sure full view range is off, yeah
19:20 john_minetest uh-oh...
19:20 Calinou hoodedice, talking about your graphics card
19:20 hoodedice Peeps. It could be that I am running PilzAdam's build
19:20 hoodedice I dont know
19:20 john_minetest netsplit is no good.
19:20 Calinou you can have a 3970X and use llvmpipe, which gives you 20 FPS
19:21 Calinou disable shaders if you have a slow/old graphics card
19:21 john_minetest PilzAdam's build runs good for me.
19:21 hoodedice I have an Intel GPU
19:21 hoodedice See, Its not about me
19:21 john_minetest Oooh. Might be that...
19:21 hoodedice eole complain that 3D mods lag in general
19:21 john_minetest Intel GPUs are known to lag a lot.
19:21 hoodedice *people
19:21 Calinou lag != low fps
19:21 Calinou john_minetest, the recent ones are decent
19:21 hoodedice I dont care about lag on my end
19:21 Calinou but the ones before the sandy bridge gen are pathetic
19:22 Calinou and you are using one of these
19:22 john_minetest hoodedice: Yes, 3d driving stuff is a bit laggy.
19:22 hoodedice That's what everyone says
19:22 Calinou hoodedice, if the entities weren't 3D, it would lag too
19:22 Calinou this isn't reddit, there is no karma system
19:22 hoodedice Now, what I really wanted to ask is:
19:22 john_minetest Calinou: I am using an intel GPU that is so old that it doesn't support GL.
19:22 Calinou no need to confirm fake claims
19:22 Calinou :)
19:22 john_minetest On my old computer.
19:22 Calinou john_minetest, intel started supporting hardware T&L in 2006 only :P
19:22 john_minetest My newer one has a new ATI one.
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19:23 Yepoleb VanessaE: Are the tanks difficult to implement?
19:23 hoodedice I thought that 3D mods were lagging because they were not 'properly imlemented'
19:23 VanessaE Yepoleb: not really, I just haven't felt much like coding lately
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19:24 hoodedice What is preventing them from being 'properly implemented'?
19:25 hoodedice Like for shaders, we have the irrlicht alpha crap
19:26 Calinou hoodedice, irrlicht alpha crap?
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19:26 hoodedice Yeah, like on one of these forum posts
19:27 hoodedice Someone said that shaders are not easily to implement because irrlicht has some problem with alpha blending or something
19:27 Calinou shaders are already implemented, and they work
19:27 Calinou use a proper graphics card that supports them :P
19:28 DanDuncombe I can't work out what they actually do
19:28 Yepoleb would it be possible to port the minecraft shader packs to minetest?
19:28 Calinou Yepoleb, not at all
19:28 hoodedice Yes, they do, and under my GPU, they work
19:28 Calinou you would have to rewrite them entirely and hope it's possible
19:28 DanDuncombe I see no visual difference between shaders on and shaders off.
19:28 Calinou DanDuncombe, then your card doesn't support them
19:28 Calinou shaders make top faces of blocks brighter, which looks much better, and smoothens day-night transitions.
19:29 Yepoleb Aren't they GLSL shaders?
19:29 hoodedice It does that to me, but I turn it off because it looks ugly
19:29 DanDuncombe Well, in Ubuntu I get extreme lag but no visual difference, in Windows I have the red colour bug.
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19:30 Calinou they are, but you can't port them as-is
19:30 Calinou ugly? you have a weird definition of ugly, IMO :P
19:30 Calinou it looks way better
19:32 Yepoleb would it be more work to port or rewrite them?
19:32 DanDuncombe Apparently I have visited the Minetest Forums 7,315 times
19:33 Calinou Yepoleb, a ton of work, if it's even possible
19:33 Calinou DanDuncombe, how do you know
19:33 Calinou DanDuncombe, red colour bug = you're using Direct3D
19:33 Calinou shaders only work with OpenGL
19:34 Yepoleb why shouldn't it be possible?
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19:36 hoodedice Clainou?
19:36 hoodedice *Calinou?
19:37 Calinou stained Clainou
19:37 Calinou :>
19:37 hoodedice Hmm, yeah
19:37 hoodedice So what prevents 3D mods to be 'implemented properly'?
19:37 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6648
19:38 Jordach Stained Clay is a ripoff of unified bricks
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19:45 hoodedice ...
19:45 hoodedice Okay, we'll skip to Question2.
19:46 hoodedice Would minetest run any faster/be any lighter, if it had its own game engine instead of irrlicht?
19:46 Jordach minetest IS A GAME ENGINE
19:47 Jordach and it's as light as possible afaik
19:47 Calinou it wouldn't, hoodedice, irrlicht is pretty efficient and fast already
19:48 Calinou you're using 6 year old hardware that never was targeted at gaming, remember
19:48 Calinou oh also, if you're using windows vista or 7, disable "aero"
19:48 Calinou this will give you better FPS
19:48 Jordach 60fps with aero
19:49 Calinou it still reduces your FPS like any kind of desktop effects
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19:53 Jordach prepare yourselves, netsplits are coming
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20:02 Calinou VanessaE, you ninja'd me on the protection problem topic :P
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20:04 VanessaE heg
20:04 VanessaE heh
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20:05 sfan5| hi
20:05 Calinou hi
20:05 Megaf folks, any idea of what the minimum hardware requirements would be to host 15 players?
20:05 McBrutal hello
20:06 VanessaE Megaf: a supercomputer :P
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20:06 Calinou you would need ~200 KB/s of upload + download bandwidth, a decent dual core CPU, 2GB of RAM
20:06 Calinou should do
20:06 VanessaE (really though, don't even consider running anything remotely heavy on commodity hardware - keep it light and pretty much anything recent will do)
20:06 Calinou I said kilobytes, not bits, remember
20:06 McBrutal I'm looking for help to install no-ip on linux to run a private minetest server.
20:07 Calinou you don't need to install it, McBrutal
20:07 McBrutal ubuntu
20:07 Calinou personally I would rather advise freedns.afraid.org
20:07 Calinou you can create shorter domains, and they don't expire
20:07 VanessaE freedns.afraid.org \o/
20:07 McBrutal nice
20:07 Yepoleb ^
20:08 Megaf sou a quadcore Xeon with 10mbps would do
20:08 VanessaE Megaf: plenty
20:08 Calinou you can make a 10 letter subdomain fairly easily
20:08 Calinou Megaf, 10 actual mbps?
20:08 Calinou try with speedtest or something like that
20:08 VanessaE Megaf: just don't run anything too heavy unless you're prepared to deal with mapgen lag and the like
20:08 Megaf Calinou, yep
20:08 sfan5| or try duckdns.org
20:08 McBrutal anyone else having trouble getting the classes mod to work?
20:08 McBrutal im hoping to make a sort of rpg pvp server
20:09 McBrutal the skins mod seems to be buggy too
20:10 nalkri Skins mod works badly with 3d armour I think
20:10 McBrutal I would just like it to work or classes
20:11 McBrutal classes because of different attributes but skins allow the girls in my guild to be themselves
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20:11 Yepoleb how can i list all possible config values?
20:12 sfan5| see defaultsettings.cpp
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20:14 john_minetest oh, that netsplit hit me while I played octodad.
20:15 McBrutal has anyone had success making a rpg pvp server? If I can build something of sorts like that, I think my group would be pretty happy playing
20:17 Megaf this duckdns doesnt work
20:17 Megaf I cant even login to their web page
20:19 thexyz use freedns
20:19 thexyz http://freedns.afraid.org/
20:20 McBrutal which domain type do I want?
20:20 McBrutal im there now signing up
20:21 Megaf im already a no-ip user... however, Id like to test some other options
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20:27 hoodedice He;;o
20:27 hoodedice Hello
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20:29 hoodedice Calinou?
20:29 jin_xi shit, so i'm playing nethack and find a wand of wishing on turn 63
20:30 Calinou hoodedice, ?
20:30 hoodedice So yeah lets continue
20:30 hoodedice So I dont care about lag and stuff
20:30 hoodedice on my end
20:31 hoodedice Your last messages indicate that the sole reason for lag is poor hardware. Done.
20:31 hoodedice And that irrlicht is awesome as it is.
20:31 Calinou there is lag and low FPS
20:31 Calinou lag is when you do something, there's a delay between doing something and something actually accounting it
20:31 hoodedice Lag = Latency between what should be processed at said time, and actual time of processing it.
20:31 Calinou low FPS is when your hardware can't keep up, or (rarely) there's a problem in the way a game draws stuff
20:32 hoodedice Low FPS = latency in seeing stuff and when you should actually be seeing it, right?
20:32 hoodedice wow. Didnt see you typing :P
20:32 hoodedice Ok, we got that clear.
20:33 hoodedice So the only way to reduce said processing lag is to get a faster CPU.
20:33 Calinou you said there wasn't processing lag, and in this case, your CPU isn't the limiting factor
20:33 hoodedice Faster than an i3 because my brother has one and it still lags #joke
20:33 Calinou it's the GPU and you have a very weak one
20:33 hoodedice hmm
20:33 Calinou no need to be offensive :P
20:33 hoodedice Yes.
20:34 hoodedice You are not being offensive
20:34 hoodedice And I'm not one to be offended.
20:34 hoodedice (Like the other Satr Blessed something guy :P)
20:34 hoodedice Star
20:34 Calinou intel started making semi-decent IGPs since sandy bridge, the ones they made before really sucked
20:35 hoodedice Well my brother has an i3, and my dad has an i3.
20:35 Calinou they've been improving quite a lot now
20:35 hoodedice We played minetest on both of them
20:35 Calinou which i3 exactly? do they use an IGP, or a dedicated card?
20:35 Calinou some i3s use slower IGPs than others
20:35 sapier1 i3 is quite a slow cpu especialy if you don't have a dedicated graphics card
20:35 Calinou eg. 3220 has an HD2500, the 3225 has a way faster HD4000
20:35 hoodedice And the difference is like between a P4 and a supercomputer
20:35 Calinou sapier1, wrong
20:35 Calinou i3 is a very fast dual core
20:36 hoodedice Quad core.
20:36 sapier1 no it isn't
20:36 Calinou no, dual core + HT
20:36 Calinou sapier1, of course if you compare it to quad cores, it will suck
20:36 hoodedice The problem with my bro is the motherboard, methinks
20:36 Calinou but it's a very efficient dual core
20:36 hoodedice ASRock.
20:36 Calinou what does a motherboard have to do with performance?
20:36 hoodedice I/O
20:36 sapier1 I compare it to other cpu's of same generation and i3 is low end it's age
20:36 hoodedice I used to have a P4
20:37 hoodedice The old gigabyte mboard busted
20:37 hoodedice So I shifted it to some Korean Pile of junk
20:37 sapier1 ok comparing tp a p4 i3 is a gigantic fast cpu :-)
20:37 Calinou I/O? even on a 50 euro mobo you won't be limited by that...
20:37 Calinou sapier1, i3 is actually mid end
20:37 hoodedice And it was bottled like crap
20:37 Calinou celerons and pentiums being low end, i5 and i7s being high end
20:38 hoodedice Okay, whatever.
20:38 hoodedice Lets just end this.
20:38 hoodedice Is there any way to improve 3D in minetest?
20:39 sapier1 of you think so calinou ... to me celerons and pentiums are "generate money from waste" products :-)
20:39 hoodedice Celerons and Pentiums
20:39 hoodedice Intall Xubuntu on them
20:39 Calinou no?
20:39 hoodedice They'll match with C2Ds in performance
20:39 Calinou you can use xubuntu on a PC that has an i7 too
20:39 hoodedice Yes.
20:39 Calinou a celeron G1610 is as good as a C2D E8400
20:40 Calinou but it has way lower power usage, but cannot be overclocke
20:40 Calinou +d
20:40 Calinou sapier1, you clearly never used a recent celeron
20:40 sapier1 I said same generation :-)
20:40 hoodedice And I was surprised when this 1.6 GHz dual core celeron ran NFS MW at high graphics.
20:40 Calinou they intentionally give it a bad name so that few people buy it :P
20:40 Calinou the CPU does most of the job, remember
20:40 Calinou GPU*
20:41 sapier1 no I don't have any use for intel value devices as intel keeps disabling important features for those
20:42 sapier1 all desktop cpu currently sold have more than enough power for almost everything ... but e.g. virtualization features aren't present on intel low end cpus
20:43 sapier1 amd's cpu power is out of comparison true ... but even cheapest amd supports full feature set
20:43 Calinou blame intel's segmentation then
20:43 hoodedice okay last question.
20:43 Calinou AMD provides good multithread performance, sapier1, but there are still way too many lazy programmers around
20:44 hoodedice I want to help dev minetest engine
20:44 sapier1 yea hav a look at minetest :)
20:44 hoodedice But I have absolutely NO programming background
20:44 Calinou then you can't
20:44 hoodedice Where do I start?
20:44 Calinou you need to code for 10 years to be good
20:44 Megaf Calinou, VanessaE, so, 110 KB/s of UP, 1200 KB/s Down, 280 MB of ram and Pentium II will not do a good server
20:44 nalkri s/10/100/
20:44 hoodedice 10 years?
20:44 Calinou instead, you can translate to your language, or find and report bugs
20:45 VanessaE Megaf: not really, no
20:45 Calinou Megaf, kilobytes? that's a bit low
20:45 sapier1 at least hoodedice
20:45 Calinou erm
20:45 Calinou pentium II?
20:45 hoodedice Can't see any indians around
20:45 VanessaE not if you want lots of capabilities on your server.
20:45 sapier1 you can do small things that need to be done too of course
20:45 hoodedice Nor that I like my lingo anyway
20:45 Megaf I just want a vanilla server, no mods
20:45 Megaf and up to 10 players
20:45 VanessaE Megaf: that's probably *just* enough for vanilla
20:45 Megaf its a deticated server
20:45 VanessaE you may wanna put a bit more RAM in if yo ucan
20:45 Megaf I just want to give that old sucked an use
20:46 hoodedice Switch to some debian based Linux.
20:46 hoodedice @Megaf
20:46 Calinou lubuntu is very lightweight
20:46 Calinou but it won't do much anyway
20:46 Megaf hoodedice, it is running Debian already, with no X11
20:46 Menche i use vanilla debian 7.0 on mine
20:46 Menche no X
20:46 sapier1 I guess ubuntu is slowly dieing atm
20:46 Calinou it isn't, sapier1
20:46 Menche yay
20:46 hoodedice Ubuntu may be
20:46 Calinou it has less market share than before. but it still has a lot
20:47 hoodedice But not its offsprings
20:47 Calinou and you are free to use ubuntu derivatives
20:47 hoodedice And I dont think many end users (who aint devs) would switch over some Amazon thingy or Mir or whatever
20:47 sapier1 maybe calinou but I don't think it's been wise to get almost any major project in open source world as enemy
20:48 Calinou there is no better compromise than *buntus currently, imo
20:49 sapier1 I've switched to debian I couldn't use any of ubuntus special features ... they've been absolutely useless since they made unity to default desktop
20:49 Calinou debian does not care about recent software, or graphics stack
20:49 Calinou they don't care about wifi working either
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20:49 Calinou or end users not all being geeks
20:50 sapier1 of course ... but end users shall use cloud services on their tabs
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20:50 hoodedice Debian is happy that way
20:50 Peacock mouhaha, griefers came back today, but i had a surprise waiting :D
20:50 hoodedice I don't know why they still call it Debian
20:50 sapier1 debian is working that's the major difference while ubuntu isn't most fresh software is worth nothing if you can't even run it
20:51 Calinou changing your brand image when it is bad? NEVER!!!!
20:51 Calinou </AMD>
20:51 hoodedice I mean, Ian broke up with his girlfriend right?
20:51 Calinou >debian >working
20:51 Calinou tried to install it on a laptop once, installer froze because _ethernet_ needed firmware
20:51 hoodedice You must be using ubuntu rolling
20:51 Calinou no I'm using xubuntu 13.04
20:51 hoodedice Switch to stable
20:51 Calinou sadly there's no rolling release
20:51 Peacock heard about the ubuntu forums being hacked? (all accounts/passwords)
20:51 hoodedice No ubuntu rolling @sapier
20:52 hoodedice @Peacock
20:52 sapier1 I used ubuntu LTS amd they didn't even manage to get this version stable
20:52 Calinou ubuntu is very fresh software
20:52 McBrutal anyone know where the install folder is for ubuntu? I want to add mods but its different from windows lol
20:52 hoodedice Xubuntu LTS had a prob with Simle scan
20:52 Calinou any distro, except arch, claiming to be more recent is false, or wrong, or both
20:52 Calinou McBrutal, how did you install minetest?
20:52 Menche McBrutal: ~/.minetest/mods/
20:52 hoodedice Search for .minetest in home
20:52 hoodedice It will be hidden
20:52 Calinou should be ~/.minetest/mods
20:52 Calinou except if you installed run_in_place
20:52 Peacock http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-forums-hacked-1-82m-logins-email-addresses-stolen-7000018336/
20:53 Menche create the "mods" folder if it doesn't exist
20:53 sapier1 I don't have any experience with arch but I just can't imagine a roling release distribution will ever run except for main usecase
20:53 hoodedice Too many ees tying too fast :P
20:53 McBrutal yeah, I used the software installer
20:53 hoodedice *peeps
20:53 hoodedice software installer? As in Ubuntu Software center?
20:53 hoodedice or Launchpad?
20:54 McBrutal USC
20:54 hoodedice I'm on Windows atm, can someone check what the latest version on ubuntu is?
20:54 McBrutal I have no idea where its putting installs
20:54 hoodedice in any case
20:54 sapier1 13.04
20:55 hoodedice Navigate to home via Nautilus, or whatever explorer you have on ubuntu
20:55 Calinou McBrutal, USC is heavily outdated on most games
20:55 Calinou don't use it
20:55 sapier1 and next ubuntu will be 13.10 ;-)
20:55 hoodedice Search around for a way to view hidden folders
20:55 Calinou install and compile by hand, or use a PPA
20:55 hoodedice Then navigate to .minetest
20:55 hoodedice Enjoy
20:55 Menche ctrl-h shows hidden files on most file managers
20:55 Calinou ^
20:55 Calinou night now, bye
20:56 hoodedice Use this
20:56 hoodedice https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable/+packages
20:56 hoodedice to download for Ubuntu
20:56 Peacock lol poor griefer gave up after 10 minutes
20:56 Peacock (and being shot like a dog twelve times :P)
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20:57 Megaf Peacock, what mod is that?
20:57 Peacock jordan's turret
20:58 Peacock modified, and epic
21:00 Peacock the original code shot at it's own owner :/ lol
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21:23 Kacey http://pastebin.com/G8xHByGU
21:27 VanessaE "moretubesilter.lua"  <--  what's an "ilter"?  :P
21:28 Kacey the file is moretubes/filter.lua
21:28 VanessaE you've just got a bad byte in the file then
21:28 Kacey maybe i put a / where a \ is needed
21:28 VanessaE because that's coming back as 0x0c embedded into the filename
21:29 Menche windows and it's silly backslashes...
21:29 Megaf windows is silly
21:30 Megaf silly and shitty, if I can say that
21:30 nalkri All known OSes are silly
21:30 nalkri And shitty
21:30 Kacey yep it was a wrong slash...
21:37 hdastwb Here's a pull request that would let technic stuff visually connect to tubes, if anyone is interested: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/pull/62
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21:49 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/835 good that the sahde bug is fixed
21:49 PilzAdam I mean, sahde was always a core feature of Minetest
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22:01 VanessaE speak of the devil
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22:05 ben_ o_o
22:06 ben_ anyone here that can answer a quick question about the program?
22:06 Peacock pose your question, i can't garantee ill know the answer though
22:07 PilzAdam ben_, http://minetest.net/irc read the first rule
22:07 ben_ it's about me and my someone else are trying to join in to a local server but when i try to connect it states "too many people
22:07 ben_ ooooooooooooooooook, my bad
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22:08 Peacock dont mind him :p
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22:08 Peacock too many players?
22:08 Peacock are you in singleplayer or something?
22:08 PilzAdam look at the max_users setting in the mintest.conf of the server
22:08 Kacey ben_, are you sure that it isnt in singleplayer?
22:08 ben_ No, i don't know....
22:08 ben_ i barely downloaded it
22:08 ben_ so i'm still trying to get the hang of it
22:09 ben_ and thanks pilz adam...will try
22:09 Peacock well if you didn't touch the settings, your prolly in singleplayer
22:09 PilzAdam Peacock, ehm
22:09 ben_ oooooh, well i'm not computer savy
22:10 PilzAdam its unlikely that he runs a singleplayer game
22:10 Peacock then what else could cause it (assuming he hasn't touched settings) ?
22:10 PilzAdam most people dont know the port where the singleplayer game runs on
22:10 Peacock then it wouldn't say "too many players" ?
22:11 PilzAdam ben_, please post the exact error message
22:11 Peacock yes please lol
22:11 ben_ ok, one moment ._.
22:16 ben_ yeah no now i can't even go anywhere
22:17 ben_ ok, but then how do i connect to a multiplayer?
22:18 ben_ i mean i see the public servers but i don't know now how to connect to a local >_<
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22:18 PilzAdam just enter the IP of the local server
22:19 ben_ which would be found where? again...sorry but you're talking to a caveman ._.
22:19 PilzAdam how is the setup of your lan? is the server running on a different computer?
22:20 ben_ i have no idea...o_o we're trying to connect via wifi
22:20 PilzAdam is the server running on a different computer?
22:21 ben_ yup
22:21 ben_ i think
22:21 PilzAdam what OS is running on that computer?
22:21 ben_ o_o OS? where's dat?
22:22 Kacey windows, linux?
22:23 ben_ ooooh, hehe stupid question of me...windows
22:23 PilzAdam do you know what a command prompt is?
22:23 ben_ yup
22:24 PilzAdam then type "ipconfig" into it on the server
22:25 ben_ ok
22:26 ben_ which one would it be? Ipv4, subnet mask, default gateway?
22:26 PilzAdam IPv4
22:26 ben_ ok,
22:26 PilzAdam go back to your computer and enter that into Minetest
22:28 ben_ couldn't resolve address
22:28 ben_ ._.
22:28 PilzAdam what is the IP?
22:30 ben_ ._. pilzadam i'm sorry for taking up your time
22:30 ben_ he got distracted
22:30 ben_ ._. going into the pool now
22:30 ben_ ._.
22:30 ben_ sorry
22:31 ben_ thanks though!
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23:25 Kacey hey anyone good with making textures?
23:27 sokomine no, sorry. searching people for that as well
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23:28 OldCoder Hi
23:28 Kacey hi OC
23:28 OldCoder Kacey, hey!
23:29 OldCoder Let us know if you solve the recent math puzzle
23:30 sokomine hi oldcoder
23:30 john_cephalopoda hi OldCoder!
23:30 OldCoder Hi back!
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23:44 Peacock griefers gonna grief lol
23:48 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101309#p101309
23:48 PilzAdam lol
23:52 Menche best server in the world
23:54 Peacock 127.0.0.1 lol
23:54 Menche there's no network lag on that one
23:54 Peacock "unique server for every player"
23:59 arsdragonfly absolutely 24/7

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