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00:04 hmmmm duckduckgo's search results are quite inferior to that of google's
00:04 hmmmm more like fuckfuckno
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00:05 Exio sadly, that is true
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00:08 PilzAdam I dont use search engines very often
00:08 VanessaE bacj
00:08 VanessaE back*
00:19 StarBlessed Back again :)
00:21 Kacey kaeza, i updated technic but deployers still dont work
00:23 kaeza hmm
00:24 Kacey might be my internet now
00:24 Kacey i will update again when i get back
00:30 iqualfragile does minetest support ipv6?
00:30 PilzAdam not yet
00:30 PilzAdam there is a pull request thats about to be merged
00:30 iqualfragile good
00:30 iqualfragile ipv6 is cool stuff
00:30 PilzAdam you can test it
00:31 kaeza what was the tube used to sort stuff in pipeworks?
00:31 iqualfragile later, first some sleep
00:31 PilzAdam who needs sleep?
00:31 kaeza ^
00:32 iqualfragile well, i do not realy need it but i will be working tomorrow and it might be smart to get at least some sleep
00:32 iqualfragile wait a minute… drowning?
00:33 PilzAdam yes, one minute under water and you are dead
00:33 PilzAdam so "wait a minute" is not a good idea...
00:33 iqualfragile is there some kind of bar or something?
00:33 PilzAdam of course
00:33 iqualfragile and since when is it in minetest? i must have overlooked that commit
00:34 iqualfragile ah, there it is
00:34 hmmmm http://oi42.tinypic.com/66gmq8.jpg
00:34 hmmmm welp =/
00:35 VanessaE hmmmm: had that happen on a new map with a fir tree also
00:35 hmmmm lol
00:35 VanessaE except at least then it had a tiny sliver of dirt under it
00:35 hmmmm this is placed using my schematic decoration type
00:35 VanessaE (literally 3x1x1 of dirt)
00:35 hmmmm i seriously need to figure out this floating in mid air thing
00:36 hmmmm oh shoot i know why, i forgot to add the flags param
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00:36 VanessaE oops.
00:36 hmmmm see, for decoration placement i have a flags parameter where you can specify that you want the decoration centered in the three axes
00:36 VanessaE you still using the old dirt reflow code?
00:36 hmmmm so this would need to be flags="place_center_x, place_center_y"
00:42 sokomine hmmm: what i forgot to ask about your voxeleditor: will it be available after mapgen on already generated areas as well?
00:43 iqualfragile arch realy is a nice distro
00:46 * VanessaE pokes hmmmm
00:48 iqualfragile PilzAdam: works for me
00:49 iqualfragile i have only tested a local server but i used my global ipv6 adress to connect to it
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00:51 * Kacey just finished the main storyline in skyrim
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01:06 PilzAdam bye
01:07 sokomine hm. where can i upload pictures now?
01:07 sokomine without js and cookies?
01:07 sokomine just screenshots...
01:09 VanessaE not sure really
01:09 VanessaE everywhere seems to at least need js
01:10 VanessaE tinypic seems simple enough
01:10 sokomine that's bad :-(
01:10 * Exio uses his "shell provider"
01:10 Exio :P
01:11 Exio scp ftw
01:11 Exio and good night
01:11 VanessaE I have a personal web space, so I just put everything there.
01:11 VanessaE (rsync)
01:14 StarBlessed My Mediagoblin server uses Python...
01:15 StarBlessed sokomine: You could try uploading there
01:15 StarBlessed sokomine: http://mg.viewskew.com
01:19 sokomine yes, perhaps i'll have to check for space somewhere as well
01:21 StarBlessed sokomine: PilzAdam and I were playing with it earlier.  He seems to think it will fill the need for somewhere to post his screens.  Im moving all my video's from YouTube there as well :)
01:22 * VanessaE takes StarBlessed's apostrophe and puts it under lock-and-key
01:23 StarBlessed Why's that? Vanessa's dislike's for my apostrophe's is a little annoying? ' '? '
01:24 * StarBlessed evil grins
01:24 VanessaE because an apostrophe is not a warning that a word is about to be pluralized :)
01:24 StarBlessed You're American aren't you.
01:24 VanessaE yup
01:25 StarBlessed Yeah.  Queens English here.
01:25 StarBlessed It's all semantics.
01:26 StarBlessed Great picture sokomine :D
01:26 sokomine the link is perhaps a bit long; but apart from that, it looks ok. thanks for the hint
01:26 sokomine http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/15/screenshot_1768451850.png
01:26 sokomine funny picture showing players stacked at spawn :-)
01:26 StarBlessed You can just use : http://mg.viewskew.com/u/sokomine/m/players-stacked-at-spawn/
01:27 StarBlessed Or link to your content with http://mg.viewskew.com/u/sokomine/
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01:28 VanessaE noting that picture, it's too bad there's no clear way to specify a static spawn point but with some kind of small "randomness" factor
01:28 VanessaE (i.e. "this coordinate +/- 2m in the X or Z directions" or so)
01:29 sokomine starblessed: it seems like a good idea, that hosting site :-)
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01:29 * VanessaE pokes kaeza
01:29 StarBlessed Thanks sokomine. Ive been working my a$$ off trying to get it running properly.
01:30 sokomine i don't think there where really that many players at spawn :-) might be one of the entity-duplication-bugs
01:30 VanessaE sokomine: no, there really were.
01:30 sokomine oh. ok :-)
01:30 VanessaE the server peaked at 10 players
01:30 sokomine that's excellent! nice to have so many players online. i ought to have counted them first instead of just taking the screenshot :-)
01:30 kaeza wha
01:31 kaeza what happened?
01:31 * VanessaE pokes kaeza again
01:31 sokomine and the sheep at spawn seems to behave now. it's only one single sheep
01:31 VanessaE [06-21 21:11] * kaeza has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
01:31 * kaeza puts a kitten on VanessaE's head
01:31 * VanessaE pets the kitten and puts it in OldCoder's pile
01:31 kaeza hmm, I was too concentrated on my industrial-grade cobble generator
01:32 kaeza 45 cobble/sec :O
01:32 VanessaE nice
01:32 hmmmm sokomine, you'll be able to do that with a mod
01:32 VanessaE faster than an admin pick can dig it :)
01:32 kaeza hehe
01:32 kaeza fully automated
01:32 OldCoder Hi
01:32 kaeza a breaker digs it and sends it down the tube
01:32 VanessaE kaeza: using pipeworks and technic nodebreakers, I presume
01:32 VanessaE yep
01:32 OldCoder VanessaE, those kittens will find a home I promise
01:33 VanessaE OldCoder: your pile is starting to overflow again
01:33 kaeza then a detector starts up the breaker again and so on and so on
01:33 * VanessaE scoops up a few strays and puts them back in the pile
01:33 VanessaE kaeza: on my server by chance?
01:33 kaeza local :P
01:33 VanessaE oh.
01:33 sokomine hmmmm: that's fine! thank you. hope that feature gets added soon. it will help a lot with several mods
01:33 VanessaE screenshot?
01:33 kaeza [22:30:44] <VanessaE> [06-21 21:11] * kaeza has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
01:34 * sokomine picks one of the kittens out of oldcoders pile, paints it pink and sells it as a nyan cat
01:34 VanessaE sokomine: here-- *hands you some rainbow paint* -- you forgot to paint the tail
01:35 sokomine oh, yes, of course!
01:35 * sokomine takes some cobble and paints it over
01:35 sokomine there! great nyan-cat. can even get miau. needs to be fed
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01:38 OldCoder kaeza, hey
01:38 OldCoder There you go
01:38 kaeza VanessaE, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1770281053.jpg
01:38 kaeza hey OldCoder
01:38 OldCoder We can start a kitten market
01:39 OldCoder and even turn a profit
01:39 VanessaE kaeza: nice
01:39 kaeza also: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1770293569.jpg
01:39 VanessaE what's the pink stuff all over?
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01:39 VanessaE (looks like the top of a nyan cat)
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01:39 sokomine kitten market sounds like a good idea
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01:40 kaeza pink stuff?
01:40 OldCoder '
01:41 kaeza OldCoder, you are not supposed to click that 'X'
01:41 kaeza :P
01:41 kaeza VanessaE, ah you mean the sand?
01:41 VanessaE ah, figured it might be desert sand
01:41 kaeza yup
01:42 VanessaE interesting texture.
01:42 kaeza part of the SMB3 texture pack
01:42 VanessaE ah
01:42 kaeza coming SOONâ„¢
01:43 kaeza also, I didn't notice it was pink lol
01:43 kaeza <-- colorblind, remember?
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01:43 kaeza to me it was green :P
01:43 sokomine oh?
01:43 * VanessaE frowns at her server suddenly having dropped down from the top of the list :(
01:44 kaeza and now firing up the AWESOMEST LAG MACHINE!
01:44 kaeza guaranteed 5FPS!
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01:48 * kaeza sees as his third golden chest gets filled with cobble
01:49 VanessaE kaeza: try it with gloopblocks installed, you'll get obsidian and/or basalt and/or pumice then
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01:52 kaeza link?
01:52 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4019
01:52 VanessaE (use the github link)
01:52 VanessaE it adds a number of other blocks of various levels of usefulnes
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01:56 kaeza do I need glooptest?
01:56 VanessaE nope, should be able to use this without it
01:56 VanessaE about all it's needed for is those "evil" tools.
01:56 VanessaE (and the block)
01:56 kaeza ah ok
01:57 VanessaE and then only to craft them
01:57 kaeza BTW, glooptest github link is broken :(
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01:58 VanessaE looks like I'll have to upload a copy of it.
01:58 VanessaE gimme a few.
02:00 kaeza you bwoke my generator :(
02:01 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/glooptest
02:01 VanessaE I didn't mean to bwoke it! :'(
02:01 kaeza lava does not cool off
02:01 kaeza water needs to be exactly above lava to cool
02:03 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1771948784.jpg
02:03 VanessaE oh, probably because I check for face-adjacent ndoes only
02:03 VanessaE nodes*
02:04 VanessaE I guess uninstall it :-/
02:04 hmmmm http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130620/15390323549/nsa-has-convinced-fisa-court-that-if-your-data-is-encrypted-you-might-be-terrorist-so-itll-hang-onto-your-data.shtml
02:05 kaeza not yet
02:05 VanessaE hmmmm: if they can't confirm you're a US citizen, you're automatically a foreigner now, also.
02:05 VanessaE (read: ToR users)
02:05 VanessaE TOR*
02:06 hmmmm yup
02:11 kaeza "I use double ROT-13, it's double plus good." <-- LOL
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02:12 Mallot1 hey
02:13 Mallot1 where can i learn Lua?
02:14 kaeza http://lua.org/pil/
02:14 Mallot1 thanks :
02:14 kaeza )
02:14 Mallot1 )
02:15 kaeza |
02:15 Mallot1 :P
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02:16 Mallot1 awwww
02:16 Mallot1 i have to buy the book? :/
02:16 kaeza nope
02:17 kaeza 1st ed. is free AFAIK
02:17 VanessaE just read it online, Mallot1
02:17 Mallot1 buy is it relevant?
02:17 kaeza I don't use it, so I can't say
02:17 StarBlessed Mallot1: http://lua.gts-stolberg.de/en/index.php
02:17 Mallot1 ok thanks people :D
02:18 kaeza if you have prior experience in programming, learning Lua from the manual should be enough
02:18 Mallot1 i do
02:18 Mallot1 i like video tutorials better, but i'll use what i got :)
02:21 VanessaE video tutorials don't give you code snippets you can copy&paste from to play with
02:22 Mallot1 the code is sometimes in the description
02:23 Mallot1 and its good practice to wite the code. Then you remember it better ( at least for me ) :)
02:24 VanessaE thexyz: *poke*
02:24 Mallot1 lol :P
02:25 Mallot1 ummm, theres almost nothing on this page: StarBlessed http://lua.gts-stolberg.de/en/index.php
02:27 StarBlessed Mallot1: its a starter.  I didn't realize you had experience with programming.
02:29 * Kacey sucks at lua
02:33 Mallot1 StarBlessed: ok thanks anyway man :D
03:09 Kacey it got quiet...
03:09 VanessaE yep
03:09 Kacey i thought i timed out
03:10 Mallot1 lol
03:13 Kacey hey VanessaE i have no idea how to make a new tube outside of pipeworks
03:13 StarBlessed Kinda like - Kacey has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
03:13 Kacey as in, register one in a new mod
03:13 VanessaE Kacey: better to ask Novatux how he did it
03:13 VanessaE just make it part of pipeworks and pull-request it
03:14 VanessaE I'll look at it and merge if it's good
03:14 VanessaE be sure your pipeworks is fully up-to-date before you do though
03:14 Kacey but would it be pipeworks.register_tube() or what?
03:14 VanessaE not sure, Novatux wrote that part
03:14 VanessaE but try it anyway
03:15 Kacey uugh later n++ is being stupid tonight
03:16 VanessaE if you're gonna develop as a mod outside of pipeworks, you have to put pipeworks into your depends.txt
03:17 Kacey i know that
03:17 VanessaE what's the issue?
03:17 Kacey i just have no idea how to register a tube outside of pipeworks by using the pipeworks api
03:18 VanessaE looking at the code, it should just be register_tube()
03:18 VanessaE (without the 'pipeworks.' part)
03:18 Kacey but i am in a different mod registering. meh i will try both ways
03:19 VanessaE though I guess I should fix that in the near future.  maybe when Uberi and I decide on a proper API
03:19 VanessaE the function name is just register_tube() and it's global, so that's how you have to call it
03:19 VanessaE function register_tube(name,desc,plain_textures,noctr_textures,end_textures,short_texture,inv_texture,special)
03:20 VanessaE I wonder how many hundreds of total nodes pipeworks has now :P
03:20 Kacey alright
03:21 Kacey what does noctr_textures do
03:21 VanessaE there are what, 7 or 8 types now?  So that's upwards of 512 nodes (!)
03:21 VanessaE the nctr one is used for tubes that are 'cut off' at the end
03:21 VanessaE e.g. tubes that just stick out somewhere but aren't connected.
03:22 VanessaE noctr means there's no graphic in the center of the texture, so scratch that
03:22 VanessaE it's probably used on the ends of all pipe segments.
03:22 VanessaE fuck if I remember now :D
03:23 Kacey lol i wish i could talk to nore/novatux
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03:36 jojoa1997|Tablet hello
03:36 VanessaE hey
03:41 ShadowNinja Someone had an idea for pipeworks/mesecons. Allow the LuaController to controll items. This would probably be done with digilines and a control segment.
03:41 VanessaE that exists in mesecons already and pipes already have mesecons integration
03:41 VanessaE oh ALLOW, I read that as "add"
03:42 VanessaE but anyway, there are valves, pumps, and flow sensors that respond to/emit mesecons signals, and there are tubed devices that also do.
03:43 VanessaE luacontrollers can talk to normal mesecons wires, no?
03:43 ShadowNinja As in LuaController asks for this item.
03:43 VanessaE ahh
03:43 VanessaE that's something best done by tweaking the two "filter/injector" devices.
03:44 VanessaE probably also the object detector needs to be able to emit a status message if it detects a certain item, too
03:44 VanessaE pull requests are certainly welcome
03:44 VanessaE (I don't know the digilines API yet)
03:46 ShadowNinja Is there a directional switch?
03:46 VanessaE not one that responds to a mesecons signal
03:46 VanessaE the closest thing would be a chest with a pipe on one side, and two or three filters on the other sides, each with appropriate wiring
03:47 VanessaE (presuming a filter that can accept a digilines message)
03:47 ShadowNinja Hmmm, maybe if I have time...
03:47 VanessaE no time like the present ;)
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03:48 VanessaE pipes have a similar capability, in that you can use a mesecons signal to turn a valve on/off, so you could arrange a series of valves feeding off of a common pipeline, each with a different destination and appropriate wiring to control them
03:49 Tesseract It would be nice if you could control mese tubes with digilines.
03:49 VanessaE that's what shadow was just saying.
03:50 VanessaE if someone codes it and it works well enough, I'll merge it
03:50 Tesseract <-- == ShadowNinja
03:51 Tesseract This is off someone else's server.
03:51 VanessaE oh duh
03:54 VanessaE (I tend to forget that)
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03:56 Tesseract Actually did ShadowBot quit or was it deoped manually for some reason?
03:57 ShadowNinja Ok, it quit.
03:58 VanessaE dunno
04:00 ShadowNinja VanessaE: I mean I saw it quit.
04:03 VanessaE I read that as "ok, I quit"  heh
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04:09 thexyz VanessaE: ?
04:09 VanessaE thexyz: can you set me as the owner of this:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4345
04:10 VanessaE so that neko doesn't show up some time or other and start deleting content (he already deleted his repos, so I plugged my own copies in so the mod doesn't get lost)
04:10 thexyz why is he unbanned?
04:11 VanessaE beats me, I didn't realize he'd been banned to begin with
04:12 thexyz crap
04:12 kaeza uh oh
04:12 kaeza * thexyz, just wiped the forums
04:12 kaeza :P
04:12 kaeza -,
04:15 thexyz let's see who did that
04:15 Kacey see yall tomorrow
04:15 VanessaE (if I did, I don't remember doing so)
04:25 khonkhortisan I only noticed that nekogloop was quieter here
04:25 VanessaE khonkhortisan: because he "left" as so many others have
04:25 VanessaE (he just didn't take to blanking his posts like last time)
04:37 khonkhortisan line 37 is "if minetest.registered_nodes[node.name].is_vertical_conductor then" that would mean the node at that position isn't registered?
04:38 khonkhortisan it looks possible, vertical_update checks the nearby nodes
04:41 thexyz uh crap, for now let's ban him again
04:41 VanessaE crap what?
04:41 khonkhortisan Okay, so I got it to crash at line 56 by placing a vertical wire on top of an unregistered rubix cube. But it's the same crash, just with a different direction to the bad node.
04:43 khonkhortisan there we go. 56 is the below node when placing, 37 is when removing.
04:44 thexyz VanessaE: I can't find who deleted this ban
04:44 VanessaE huh.
04:44 VanessaE oh well
05:06 khonkhortisan I can pull mods, texture packs, games, minetest, and compile without typing in a password, but I need to type one for every server I join
05:06 VanessaE sad, ain't it.
05:06 khonkhortisan yep
05:06 VanessaE I asked for that capability months ago.
05:06 VanessaE I was ignored.
05:06 khonkhortisan It will be asked for again.
05:06 khonkhortisan and again... and again... and again...
05:07 VanessaE and ignored again...and again...and again
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05:07 khonkhortisan I vote for plaintext password, then when someone becomes concerned with security then we obscure it
05:08 khonkhortisan bzflag stores passwords. firefox stores passwords. phones store passwords.
05:08 VanessaE just store it as whatever the hash is that's sent to the server, in a user-only-readable file, and then who gives two shits after that?
05:09 khonkhortisan that shouldn't be too hard
05:09 VanessaE if someone gets into your PC, you've got bigger problems than your oh-so-precious minetest passwords....
05:09 VanessaE so let's just not overcomplicate it for now
05:10 VanessaE if you're that paranoid, encrypt your hard drive.
05:10 khonkhortisan http://xkcd.com/1200/
05:10 VanessaE apropos.
05:11 khonkhortisan I look up that word, and the adverb says it's unrelated, the adjective says it's appropriate.
05:13 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Decoration: Add Schematic decoration type c1b829077a 2013-06-21T22:11:52-07:00 http://git.io/SS2XlQ
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05:33 sfan5 hi
05:34 khonkhortisan hello
05:34 VanessaE hi
05:38 khonkhortisan your server just shut down
05:39 VanessaE whose?  mine?
05:39 khonkhortisan yes
05:39 khonkhortisan this minute
05:39 VanessaE someone musta used a vertical wire again.
05:39 VanessaE yep
05:39 VanessaE that's what happened.
05:39 VanessaE 01:38:35: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaE
05:39 VanessaE rror: error: ...s/minetest-mod-mesecons/mesecons_extrawires/vertical.lua:37: att
05:39 VanessaE brb, busy (unrelated)
05:43 hmmmm hmm
05:43 hmmmm if Uberi is around, be sure to tell him about this https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit/pull/24
05:44 khonkhortisan *sigh* again
05:45 sfan5 hmmmm: I'll be taking a look at it
05:45 hmmmm i'm sure there are style issues, i tried to copy what was already there as closely as possible though
05:46 hmmmm just modify it as you'd like
06:16 khonkhortisan I build a 7x79 stone rectangle, look back, and there's three rats on it
06:17 VanessaE they don't waste any time huh? :)
06:17 khonkhortisan I made a giant rat generator
06:17 khonkhortisan they live off that stuff
06:17 khonkhortisan night
06:20 VanessaE heh
06:20 VanessaE night.
06:28 sfan5 hmmmm: I merged it
06:29 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Add initial support for Minetest schematic API a192d51a58 2013-06-21T23:25:59-07:00 http://git.io/sDy0Iw
06:30 hmmmm ah great, thanks
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06:49 Calinou hi
06:50 VanessaE hi
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07:09 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=96032#p96032
07:09 Calinou 9500GT, lol
07:09 VanessaE I'm lost when it comes to nVidia part numbers.
07:09 VanessaE (my last was a vanilla GF 6800)
07:10 Calinou it's a low end, rebranded and 5 year old card :P
07:10 Calinou onpon4 is, again, disconnected from the reality
07:10 Calinou fun fact: there are now IGPs (HD4600/7660D) which are faster than that 9500GT
07:11 VanessaE shit, there are probably IGPs that are faster than my HD6870.
07:11 Calinou nope
07:12 Calinou the best IGP (7660D) is as fast as a 6670 with DDR3
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07:12 Calinou and a low end card from today (HD 7750/GTX 650) is twice as fast
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09:01 VanessaE bbl
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09:42 StarBlessed Hey Jordach :)  Moved my vidz to http://mg.viewskew.com
09:42 StarBlessed Im just downloading all my content from G+/Picasa, then shutting down the accounts :D
09:44 Calinou before shutting down the accounts, be sure to put a pony on your head!
09:44 Calinou like john_minetest did
09:51 StarBlessed LOL
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09:58 issa_ Salem alikoum
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10:00 StarBlessed wa `alaykumu s-salāmu wa rahmatu l-lāhi wa barakātuh
10:00 issa_ :)
10:02 StarBlessed Hi issa_.  Im sorry, its all the Arabic I know.
10:02 issa_ cool
10:02 issa_ it's cool to show that
10:03 StarBlessed I know what it means though :D
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10:07 StarBlessed While I may not believe, I respect ;)
10:08 issa_ i have created a server for 30 min
10:08 issa_ 54.226.236.98
10:08 StarBlessed Thanks issa_, but Im actually working on my Diaspora and Mediagoblin websites at the moment.  Otherwise I might have joined you.  :)
10:10 Calinou ceiling google is watching you use decentralized services
10:10 Calinou ceiling Calinou is watching ceiling google
10:10 * sfan5 puts a pony on Calinou's head
10:11 StarBlessed ceiling StarBlessed is watching ceiling Calinou
10:11 * StarBlessed steals Calinou's pony for his own head.
10:11 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Calinou's head
10:12 * StarBlessed steals Calinou's kitten and places it on the pony on his own head.  *TRIPLE THREAT BONUS*
10:12 * sfan5 puts a TNT on StarBlessed's head
10:13 StarBlessed Dont make me creeper your a$$
10:18 * StarBlessed sets off the TNT....  BOOM!  *Fatality!*
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11:07 rubenwardy I am going on holiday to portugal for 2 weeks
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11:12 rubenwardy spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=96068#p96068
11:12 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:12 rubenwardy I am going on holiday to portugal for 2 weeks tomorrow, so I will not be online.
11:14 arsdragonfly hello guys
11:14 arsdragonfly PilzAdam how to change language translations locally?
11:14 PilzAdam wut?
11:15 arsdragonfly I need to test some translations on my own machine
11:15 arsdragonfly I changed the .po file and then $ make translations
11:16 arsdragonfly but it doesn't seem to work
11:17 StarBlessed Hey PilzAdam :)
11:17 PilzAdam arsdragonfly, you cant translate Lua with gettext
11:18 PilzAdam StarBlessed, hi :-)
11:18 arsdragonfly PilzAdam, nope I just altered some strings that already existed
11:19 PilzAdam you can only translate strings that are in the engine (i.e. c++)
11:19 arsdragonfly oh wait
11:19 StarBlessed Finally moved the Minetest vidz to Mediagoblin :)  I whould be up and running again soon :D
11:19 * rubenwardy might rewrite the node box generator
11:19 arsdragonfly I copied the minetest directory and forgot to run cmake .
11:19 arsdragonfly sorry about that
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11:28 rubenwardy What happens when you give my brother "the nodebox generator": http://ubuntuone.com/3zny8sI5pprEjbbXJE7wmZ
11:29 rubenwardy He says it is a creeper. I dont believe him.
11:29 Jordach PENIS
11:30 StarBlessed Did you just upload a Windoze screenshot to UbuntuOne?  lol
11:30 StarBlessed Hey Jordach :)
11:30 Jordach hey StarBlessed
11:30 Jordach just playing Age of Empires
11:31 StarBlessed Nice.  Hey, did you see this? http://us.anno-online.com/en/homepage
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11:32 StarBlessed One of my all time fav games... Online... Free to play...  MULTIPLAYER!
11:32 rubenwardy It is slightly ironic, StarBlessed
11:32 rubenwardy I have a win7/ubuntu dual boot
11:32 StarBlessed I still have my old Win95 installer.  I play it in DOSEmu  :D
11:36 * rubenwardy is not sure whether he should release capture the flag or not
11:41 rubenwardy What kind of multiplayer, StarBlessed? Are there loads of players on one map, or do you have to teleport to other player's maps?
11:41 rubenwardy I have Anno 1404
11:41 StarBlessed Hehe!  I dont know rubenwardy.  Im just updating my flash player so I can give it a go.  I only found out about it this morning :D
11:42 StarBlessed Unfortunately, Im downloading about 12 different things at the moment, so updating my Distro may take a while ;)
11:42 StarBlessed Here's the trailer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91VBBvh1aww
11:42 StarBlessed There's some screens at the end.
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11:46 * Calinou puts a pony on Jordach's head
11:46 Calinou [vote which pony now, again]
11:46 * Jordach removes pony
11:48 * StarBlessed votes for Morning Glory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_My_Little_Pony_characters#Flutter_Ponies
11:55 * Calinou makes inception face
11:56 StarBlessed Heh
11:58 Calinou also, that name has a high twss factor :3
11:58 StarBlessed You see my point
11:59 Calinou what point
12:01 StarBlessed ITS AWESOME!
12:01 * StarBlessed grins
12:03 StarBlessed Back later.  Gonna chill in front of the boob tube
12:04 sfan5 Calinou: http://i.imgur.com/xCm7RHh.png
12:04 Calinou boob tube, seems legit
12:04 sfan5 ( http://www.yourworldoftext.com/minetest )
12:05 Calinou lol
12:05 Calinou O_o
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12:11 john_minetest This open source game engine looks very cool: http://www.garagegames.com/products/torque-3d
12:12 Jordach that used to be non free
12:15 rubenwardy it is open source now?
12:17 Jordach YES
12:18 Jordach https://github.com/GarageGames/Torque3D
12:18 rubenwardy amazingf
12:19 Jordach i might create a free fps sci-fi deathmatch engine
12:19 Calinou john_minetest: hai
12:19 * Calinou puts derpy hooves on john_minetest's head
12:19 Jordach with CoD elements
12:20 Calinou rubenwardy: since like 6 months at least :P
12:20 rubenwardy amazing
12:20 Calinou oh also, the linux port isn't complete, iirc
12:20 Calinou and compared to today's AAA engines, it is dated, even if you can make cool stuff with it
12:22 * john_minetest puts Tootsie Flute Tornado bolt on Calinou's head
12:30 rubenwardy How many rainbows are there in a nyancat's tail?
12:31 rubenwardy is it random?
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12:34 sfan5 rubenwardy: yes
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12:37 Calinou usually 3-8
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12:40 john_minetest Sometimes there are nyancats without a rainbow
12:41 sfan5 rubenwardy: yes7
12:41 sfan5 oops
12:42 Calinou john_minetest: never saw one
12:44 john_minetest Calinou: In the "nyancat with seed" thread there are a few mentioned.
12:44 john_minetest Actually I never found any nyan cat in the game.
12:47 john_minetest Lol: http://imgur.com/gallery/pfO60sj
12:50 Calinou lol @ world of text
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13:36 arsdragonfly https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/783
13:36 arsdragonfly check this out
13:37 rubenwardy Treasure map competition! http://www.yourworldoftext.com/minetest
13:39 PilzAdam arsdragonfly, have you used util/updatepo.sh?
13:40 arsdragonfly yes
13:40 sfan5 rubenwardy: found it
13:41 arsdragonfly cuz they're not internationalized before
13:41 rubenwardy thought you might
13:41 arsdragonfly so there are some new strings
13:43 PilzAdam arsdragonfly, seems good
13:43 arsdragonfly :-d
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14:57 Kacey bbl
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15:44 MarkTwain Hello everyone!
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15:51 Zeg9 When I read "Hello everyone!" I thought it was Adam...
15:52 PilzAdam when I read "Zeg9" I thought it was Zeg9...
15:58 john_minetest when I read "Desoxyribonucleinsäure" I thought it was DNA...
16:00 john_minetest But it is DNS.
16:02 * Exio reverse dns lookups john_minetest
16:03 MarkTwain http://www.yourworldoftext.com/markveidemanis
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16:16 Zeg9 echo 'while [ 1 = 1 ]; do nohup $0 &; done' > freecode.sh; chmod +x freecode.sh; ./freecode.sh
16:17 khonkhortisan I now have four distinct crashes written down
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16:18 Zeg9 The NoHup manager allows downloading all games from steam, for free and legally. Just run the script mentioned above to start it.
16:19 khonkhortisan haha got a commit in when MinetestBot wasn't looking
16:22 Zeg9 <MarkTwain> how do i run a cpp file?
16:22 Exio Zeg9: i would replace [ 1 = 1 ] for true or :
16:22 Exio and &;?
16:22 Exio just use &
16:23 arsdragonfly|pho What is &0?
16:23 Exio $0 is the self program
16:23 Zeg9 &; is because I replaced all newlines with ';'...
16:23 Zeg9 and, well, [ 1 = 1 ] I have no excuse :p
16:24 Exio &; doesn't work
16:24 Exio :P
16:35 sfan5 cmon! someone write something to http://www.yourworldoftext.com/minetest
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16:40 MarkTwain how do i highlight?
16:41 khonkhortisan MarkTwain, that's how.
16:41 MarkTwain ...
16:42 MarkTwain in yourworldoftext
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16:43 Kacey i wrote something
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16:54 MarkTwain http://collabedit.com/ggdc9
16:58 Kacey hey can anyone help me make a new mod?
16:59 Kacey collabedit doesnt have a lua setting
16:59 MarkTwain http://www.showdocument.com/56137
17:01 Kacey http://collabedit.com/6nhqm to help with my mod
17:03 MarkTwain http://www.showdocument.com/56137 to help with my script
17:04 sfan5 didn't someone make a worldoftext topic on the forums?
17:05 Zeg9 In general discussion iirc
17:06 sfan5 ah, right
17:12 * Zeg9 leaves :D
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17:27 Kacey hey can someone test my code? http://collabedit.com/6nhqm is the code
17:29 Mallot1 sure
17:29 Mallot1 how
17:30 PilzAdam Kacey, that link is a redirect trap
17:32 Mallot1 is it just c code?
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17:34 MarkTwain hi again
17:35 MarkTwain Who wants to make a mod with me?
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17:35 kaeza afternoons
17:35 MarkTwain kaeza:hi
17:36 khonkhortisan Who wants to add euler angles to commonlib so that mesecon conducting rules can be rotated by facedir so a screwdriver to make a wall circuit will actually work?
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17:37 MarkTwain https://c9.io/markveidemanis/minetest
17:37 MarkTwain do what you want lol
17:37 MarkTwain just tell me which mod you want to edit
17:39 khonkhortisan the minetest folder won't open
17:40 khonkhortisan "If you don't own this project you can request editing rights ot project admins" Why would I want to change the list of admins?
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17:40 Kacey Mallot1, make a folder in mods called moretubes
17:41 Kacey place a depends.txt with the word pipeworks in it
17:41 MarkTwain khonk...
17:41 MarkTwain il make a file
17:42 khonkhortisan Don't use software that confuses write permissions with read permissions.
17:42 Kacey make an init.lua and paste the code in
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17:42 Kacey and then start a world with moretubes enabled and see if it all works
17:44 PilzAdam lol, khonk
17:44 Exio lol, pilz
17:44 * Exio runs
17:45 D-Man can u hear me
17:45 PilzAdam lol, Princess Exio
17:45 D-Man if u can ping me
17:45 khonkhortisan idk, can we?
17:45 Exio no, we can't D-Man
17:45 D-Man ok
17:45 Exio PilzAdam: ew </3
17:45 D-Man lol
17:45 D-Man i thought i was timed out
17:45 khonkhortisan 0.95 seconds
17:45 Kacey nope not at all D-Man this is a irc room not skype lol
17:45 D-Man kacey: i didnt know how to run ur code
17:45 D-Man lol :D
17:46 Kacey D-Man, are you mallot1?
17:46 Exio sip > skype
17:46 D-Man whats sip
17:46 Kacey afk
17:46 D-Man kk
17:46 D-Man hey, my name is:
17:47 Exio D-Man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol
17:47 Exio ew
17:47 Exio Mallot1: ^
17:47 Exio VoIP :P
17:47 Mallot1 oh :D
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17:51 john_cephalopoda hi STHGOM_
17:51 STHGOM_ hi
17:53 khonkhortisan That's a bad design. Without anything in the folder, it won't open (the arrow turning)
17:53 khonkhortisan It also has nagware trying to get me to sign up as I'm browsing. Github doesn't do that.
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17:57 kaeza don't you feel like every random website is turning into a social platform?
17:58 kaeza 71.4s of lag ;_;
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18:09 VanessaE kaeza: I'm afraid so.
18:09 VanessaE hi all.
18:10 kaeza hey V
18:11 VanessaE Kacey: how do you plan to make these isolated tubes connect elsewhere?
18:11 VanessaE to what, other than themselves, will they connect?
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18:13 kaeza hi sparky
18:15 kaeza it's caturday!
18:17 kaeza :/
18:18 Mallot1 :D
18:21 VanessaE Kacey: I've fixed the code.  what you see in its current state works.  you need to supply some suitable textures.
18:23 VanessaE Kacey: you can't register the tube name outside of the pipeworks: namespace, but looking at my code (actually, Nore wrote this function), it should be a simple tweak to make that possible.
18:24 VanessaE Kacey: unfortunately, the new tubes still connect to the old ones.
18:24 VanessaE so you'll have to submit a patch to pipeworks to make that not happen.
18:25 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5790391/
18:26 VanessaE the code, for those who don't wanna futz with the site Kacey put it on initially.
18:27 MarkTwain i just made a fast game!
18:28 MarkTwain 4 blocks
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18:40 sfan5 hello deepgaze
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18:45 kaeza hey BlockMen
18:45 BlockMen hello kaeza
18:46 BlockMen just answered on you reply
18:46 BlockMen *+r
18:46 Kacey back
18:46 VanessaE Kacey:  ^^^^^^  scroll up and read
18:46 Kacey i see it
18:48 VanessaE if you'll make me a pull request that inclues your code + the necessary patch to the tube autorouting algorithm so that the new tubes won't connect to the old, I'll supply the necessary textures and put it into master.
18:49 VanessaE (I ask for appropriate isolation tweaks because I can see a use for as many as three separate pipelines running side by side)
18:50 VanessaE (anything more than that isn't needed - the user could just alternate between the three sets of tubes to keep running more parallel pipelines)
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18:54 Deepgaze hello
18:54 VanessaE hi
18:55 Deepgaze how are you
18:55 VanessaE doing okay
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18:55 Deepgaze what do you think of my world of text
18:56 VanessaE haven't messed with it (not really interested)
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18:56 Deepgaze it is fun!! and pepole talk about you
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18:57 VanessaE Kacey: did you get my last comments?
18:57 Kacey uum no which ones?
18:57 VanessaE Deepgaze: meh, let 'em talk.  I don't care.
18:57 VanessaE Kacey: see msg
18:57 VanessaE (to avoid flooding)
18:57 Calinou hi
18:58 VanessaE hi
18:58 sfan5 Vadtec: http://i.imgur.com/ZGZQaFj.png
19:03 sfan5 derp
19:03 sfan5 VanessaE: : http://i.imgur.com/ZGZQaFj.png
19:03 VanessaE meh
19:04 VanessaE (I don't know one MLP from another)
19:04 sfan5 http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Diamond_Tiara
19:07 Calinou dat ubuntu
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19:08 sfan5 Calinou: :/
19:09 VanessaE sfan5: meh, whatever
19:10 * Calinou didn't open that link
19:11 VanessaE Calinou: the imgur link was just a page of random text, the second was describing a snobby MLP that someone figured must be my favorite.
19:11 Calinou no, I mean the MLP wikia one
19:12 VanessaE bbl, gotta run a couple errands.
19:12 Calinou I know about the world of text thingy
19:14 proller Calinou, you can grief on "DEV fractal world", 32^km of sponge for you
19:14 proller ~ 30^3
19:14 Calinou nothing to grief on that server, sorry
19:14 Calinou :-)
19:15 proller destroy pillars!
19:16 Calinou since when these pillars were built by players that are my enemies
19:17 * Kacey is going to make an epic house
19:17 Kacey better than VanessaE's house
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19:24 MarkTwain does anyone know of something LIKE the arduino but on lua or python?
19:24 MarkTwain like an irc luacontroller
19:25 MarkTwain *irl
19:25 Uberi MarkTwain: Arduino
19:25 Uberi or raspberry pi if you really want to run dynamic languages on it
19:25 Uberi khonkhortisan: did you force push to Mesecons? git is showing some crazy commit history
19:27 MarkTwain i need something simple and cheap+light
19:28 MarkTwain with a portable battery
19:28 MarkTwain just a controller and some inputs
19:29 Calinou raspberry pi? you need to buy the battery yourself
19:29 Calinou of course
19:29 Uberi MarkTwain: usually those require compilable languages
19:32 Calinou lua is compilable
19:32 Calinou luajit :-)
19:33 Uberi so is python, to bytecode
19:33 PilzAdam Calinou, not only jit
19:33 Uberi and Pyrex/Cython/RPython/etc.
19:34 MarkTwain entity collision stops sand...
19:34 proller MarkTwain, slowberry pi, odroid
19:34 Calinou it was removed by a pull request, MarkTwain
19:34 Calinou it is likely to be merged
19:34 Calinou lol slowberry pi
19:35 Calinou finally someone agrees with me :P
19:35 Uberi it takes 20 seconds to open a media player, it's not exactly speedy
19:35 MarkTwain just a circuit board
19:35 MarkTwain with a similar api to lua
19:35 proller odroid faster than slowberry in x15
19:35 MarkTwain and names for ports
19:36 Uberi MarkTwain: arduino
19:36 Calinou and pentium 4 ×15 faster than "odroid" :P
19:37 MarkTwain what if i have under £20 to spend?
19:38 Uberi what's the pound to USD conversion factor these days?
19:38 MarkTwain okay under $20
19:38 MarkTwain doesnt matter too much
19:38 MarkTwain not for under $/£20
19:38 PilzAdam whats that in Euro? :-p
19:38 Uberi so $10 then plus shipping
19:40 Uberi for that price pretty much just the PICs, no batteries included
19:41 Calinou nothing for below $20, really
19:42 Uberi PICs are about $1.50 per chip, they ship from the US for about $12 in ~3 days
19:42 Uberi but you also need a PIC programmer board, which is about $75
19:43 Uberi (all prices are USD)
19:43 MarkTwain http://store.arduino.cc/eu/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;cPath=11_12&amp;products_id=245
19:43 MarkTwain 18
19:43 MarkTwain i am going to need a little bit more than a controller
19:43 Uberi MarkTwain: good luck getting it shipped with 2 dollars :P
19:43 Calinou also, why do you need one :P
19:43 MarkTwain thanks :)
19:43 MarkTwain idk
19:43 MarkTwain just like them
19:43 Calinou see, "idk"
19:44 Calinou means, you do not need them
19:44 MarkTwain i thought i'd get a life from minetest and luacontrollers
19:44 MarkTwain so id take them into real life LOL
19:44 Uberi git is acting up again
19:44 Uberi who force pushed into Mesecons?
19:44 * Calinou shrug
19:45 Calinou https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons
19:45 Uberi and where is minetestbot these days
19:45 Calinou probably on "your world of text"
19:46 Uberi oh man I wasted so much time there
19:46 Calinou heh, it's fun sometimes :P
19:47 Uberi does anyone have any examples of the table format for Minetest Schematics?
19:47 MarkTwain can someone find me it on ebay?
19:47 MarkTwain im in uk
19:48 Uberi what does "in the order of [z [y [x]]]" mean? what keys do we use in the Lua table?
19:48 Uberi is ebay blocked in the UK now?
19:49 MarkTwain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIC_microcontroller
19:51 Uberi MarkTwain: you're looking for PICs on ebay?
19:51 MarkTwain idk what i want
19:51 MarkTwain just for it to work
19:51 MarkTwain like the luacontroller or similar
19:52 Uberi MarkTwain: does it matter how it's programmed? PICs are programmed mainly in C or assejbly language
19:52 MarkTwain yes, preferably lua
19:52 Uberi but it's a really easy RISC
19:52 MarkTwain or python
19:52 kaeza wut
19:52 Uberi MarkTwain: you won't find anything super portable with any dynamic languages like Lua/Python
19:52 Calinou kaeza, the
19:52 Calinou hi :)
19:52 kaeza hai Calinou
19:53 Calinou kaeza, http://www.yourworldoftext.com/minetest
19:53 kaeza Calinou, seen that, wrote a bit
19:53 Uberi although maybe you can compile rpython and then run that through the PIC C compiler
19:53 * Calinou puts rarity on john_minetest's head, since we are out of derpy hooves for now
19:53 kaeza minetext*
19:53 kaeza ^ somebody should make a text-mode minetest client
19:54 * john_minetest puts a robot rainbow unicorn on Calinou's head because we have a lack of ponies in general.
19:54 OldCoder kaeza, absolutely
19:54 john_minetest I just checked out the minetest wikipedia article. The german one is the longest...
19:54 OldCoder The article is back?
19:54 * OldCoder is pleased
19:54 kaeza hi OldCoder
19:54 OldCoder kaeza, hey!
19:54 OldCoder Kacey, there is a new math puzzle
19:54 Kacey i saw it... idk where to begin with it
19:55 OldCoder themaskedlua, need to talk
19:55 OldCoder Kacey, heh. I see about 4 solutions myself.
19:55 OldCoder I told him... irritating because any of them are right.
19:55 themaskedlua evening OldCoder, and sure
19:55 Uberi hey OldCoder
19:55 OldCoder Uberi, hi! to you too
19:55 kaeza fun fact: you can play videos in text-mode
19:55 OldCoder themaskedlua, we shall pm soon
19:55 OldCoder kaeza, indeed
19:56 themaskedlua alrighty :)
19:56 OldCoder mplayer supports this
19:56 OldCoder ASCII mapping
19:56 OldCoder or cacaview
19:56 Calinou john_minetest, minetest wikipedia article? :phoronix rolleyes:
19:56 kaeza I don't recall the program though
19:56 kaeza aalib I think
19:58 Calinou kaeza, there is even a program to play games such as quake 2 or urban terror in console
19:58 Calinou in ASCII :P
19:58 MarkTwain i need a controller under $£10
19:58 kaeza :O
19:58 kaeza Calinou, name or link?
19:58 kaeza just for the lulz
19:59 Calinou I don't remember, saw that long time ago
19:59 Calinou but the urban terror was an april fool :P
20:00 FreeFull You could run X11 with the aalib driver
20:01 FreeFull Though I don't know how hard that'd be to set up nowadays
20:01 FreeFull You'd probably have to use an old version of X11
20:01 Calinou X10, then
20:01 kaeza Puppy Linux has it I guess
20:01 Calinou or even X9
20:01 kaeza and is easy to change drivers
20:01 Calinou X12 release date: the day half life 3 is released
20:01 kaeza lol
20:02 Mallot1 kaeza: mintest was really make with megaZeux?
20:02 Mallot1 *minetest
20:02 Calinou WTF is megazeux
20:02 Mallot1 thats was kaeza told me
20:02 Calinou anyway, hi mr. default wordpress avatar
20:02 MarkTwain any alternatives to arduino?
20:02 MarkTwain that are on lua
20:02 Mallot1 hi
20:03 MarkTwain or luajit
20:03 kaeza http://lmgtfy.com/?q=megazeux
20:03 kaeza Calinou, ^
20:03 Calinou googling is so 2008
20:03 Uberi MarkTwain: if you want Lua, you'll need something with POSIX at least
20:03 Uberi * supporting
20:03 kaeza Calinou, megazeux is so 1994
20:04 Mallot1 dude, whered u get the google it animation?
20:04 * Calinou googles anyway
20:04 kaeza but is awesome for creating text mode games
20:04 Calinou Mallot1, LMGTFY, "let me google that for you"
20:04 Mallot1 ok thx
20:04 kaeza (it actually uses SDL now, but meh)
20:05 kaeza it used to use direct BIOS calls in the old DOS days
20:06 Mallot1 http://bit.ly/RMRkqg
20:06 Mallot1 im a SDL programmer :D
20:06 Calinou suuure
20:06 Mallot1 but i am
20:06 Calinou !title
20:06 ShadowBot Calinou: title [--no-filter] <url>
20:06 Calinou oh, LMGTFY
20:06 Calinou now I'm googling a pony name
20:06 Calinou and fuck
20:06 Calinou this actually uses google
20:06 Mallot1 ok if u dont believe me
20:06 Calinou now google knows I'm googling pony names
20:07 kaeza Mallot1, I mostly use Allegro
20:07 Mallot1 http://bit.ly/rsUMR7
20:07 Mallot1 cool
20:07 kaeza SDL is too minimal for my tastes
20:07 Calinou why?
20:07 Mallot1 i want to learn allegro and SFML as well
20:07 Calinou too minimal?
20:07 Calinou hey, source engine uses SDL 2
20:08 Mallot1 http://bit.ly/rsUMR7
20:08 Calinou nope
20:08 kaeza Calinou, you have to depend on tons of libs using different slightly incompatible APIs
20:08 Calinou oh, kaeza, look at world of text
20:09 kaeza plus Allegro comes already with portable filesystem support, timers, etc
20:09 kaeza all you ever need
20:09 Mallot1 i know but its good practice for linking libraries adn that kind of stuff
20:10 Mallot1 is world of text a game? calinou
20:11 Calinou Mallot1, http://www.yourworldoftext.com/minetest
20:11 Calinou you can freely edit in white areas
20:11 Calinou (please don't grief, though)
20:13 kaeza someone deleted my text ;_;
20:13 Mallot1 thats cool,
20:14 Mallot1 was that SDL?
20:14 kaeza Menche's pony
20:14 kaeza lol
20:16 Calinou pawnies
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20:21 Kacey heh look at kaeza's favourite pony
20:22 Calinou someone added it :P
20:22 Calinou haha
20:23 kaeza wat
20:23 * kaeza looks
20:26 kaeza edited :P
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20:31 kaeza offtopic: running my game under valgrind shows lots of leaks in X11 :(
20:32 kaeza (and also gets me 5 SPF)
20:32 Kacey re-edited
20:34 Calinou I never run the game for more than 1-2 hours, don't care :P
20:34 Calinou also, X11
20:34 Calinou ceiling scott moreau is wanting you to use wayland :phoronix rolleyes:
20:35 Calinou gtg, night
20:35 kaeza lol wayland
20:42 kaeza khonkhortisan, around?
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20:50 Uberi oh wait a minute I get the schematic format now
20:51 Uberi no meta support, it seems :(
20:51 sfan5 nope
20:51 Uberi well I'll get started on speeding up WE using schematic then
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21:04 khonkhortisan kaeza, here
21:05 * VanessaE is back
21:06 Kacey wb v
21:06 VanessaE thanks
21:06 Kacey i am making a house to top yours
21:06 VanessaE what, no pull request yet? :)
21:08 khonkhortisan uberi is not here.
21:08 VanessaE he's hiding ;)
21:09 Uberi|Away actually, I'm stuffing my face with food :P
21:10 kaeza khonkhortisan, you were developing some sort of unified skin system right?
21:10 VanessaE heh
21:12 Kacey the roof is done
21:13 VanessaE Kacey: forget the house, you got tubes to finish :)
21:13 Kacey i cant use github here
21:13 VanessaE so use it over there ------>
21:13 VanessaE :D
21:13 Kacey i cant until next weekend
21:14 VanessaE ok, tell me what code changes you want to make and I'll do it myself
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21:15 Kacey meh later... taking a break from coding for a bit
21:16 john_minetest VanessaE: Under the Farlands Gateway I want to place some rails, but it is protected. I won't continue building it today (it's late) but I will tomorrow.
21:16 VanessaE john_minetest: thanks for the reminder, I'll fix it soon
21:16 kaeza anyone know what happened to RBA? still without inet access?
21:17 john_minetest VanessaE: Your sewer looks so awesome. All the pipes and this epic wooden bridge in the cave.
21:17 VanessaE the sewers were actually webdesigner97's idea
21:17 VanessaE I just took them to their logical conclusion :)
21:22 OldCoder NEWS! I am migrating this summer to a VPS with EIGHT cores and 32 GB of RAM!
21:22 john_minetest It somehow reminds me of "Metro - Last Light" (I watched a part of a Let's play on youtube)
21:22 OldCoder That should handle a few MT worlds!
21:22 OldCoder
21:22 john_minetest Hey, OldCoder! This is great!
21:23 OldCoder But I will not upgrade to git bleeding until LevelDB is in
21:24 OldCoder VanessaE, did you say that's coming in the next cycle?
21:24 VanessaE dunno
21:24 OldCoder Eight cores. I can MT all day and all night.
21:24 VanessaE there has been talk
21:25 OldCoder I can relearn git and try to integrate it again myself.
21:25 OldCoder We will see what we will C. Or C++.
21:25 VanessaE but no one's committed to finishing it and merging.
21:25 OldCoder Finishing?
21:25 OldCoder It seems to work fine.
21:25 PilzAdam OldCoder, 8 physical cores?
21:25 OldCoder PilzAdam, apparently
21:26 VanessaE OldCoder: the code has gotten somewhat out of date I guess.  I don't know for sure.
21:26 john_minetest The world savefile format should be a setting on the settings page.
21:26 OldCoder PilzAdam, a physical system has been set up for me
21:26 OldCoder john_minetest, indeed
21:26 OldCoder PilzAdam, I am testing it at this moment. Looks cool. htop shows lots and lots of CPUs :-)
21:26 OldCoder This should be an incentive to move along development
21:27 OldCoder Give me software that works and I shall run it
21:27 OldCoder :-)
21:28 PilzAdam OldCoder, there are two reasons why leveldb isnt upstream yet: 1) Nobody seems to care to rebase it against the current master 2) there are not much tools to work with leveldb outside of minetest, e.g. the minetestmapper will not work with it; the solution for the minetestmapper is that the mapper gets added to the engine itself
21:28 OldCoder It is the future of the project
21:28 OldCoder SQLite day is done
21:29 VanessaE damn it, when is someone going to fix this stupid 4096-node limit?
21:29 john_minetest What does this limit mean?
21:30 VanessaE it means the server will segfault if there are more than 4096 defined nodes/items/etc.
21:30 PilzAdam OldCoder, I only have 4 hyperthreaded cores here
21:30 OldCoder Hmm?
21:30 OldCoder All right
21:30 john_minetest Oh... Lol, what server needs more than 4069 nodes?
21:30 STHGOM cya
21:30 OldCoder PilzAdam, I will make the hardware available to all
21:30 OldCoder But I insist on LevelDB cuz it keeps the data safe
21:31 Uberi|Away sqlite is pretty safe, data-wise
21:31 Uberi|Away automatic journalling and crash protection
21:31 OldCoder Nope
21:31 OldCoder Slow
21:31 OldCoder Slow
21:31 OldCoder Did I mention slow?
21:31 OldCoder And 4GB limit
21:31 OldCoder was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
21:31 Uberi|Away wow
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21:31 john_minetest ...
21:31 VanessaE bad shadowbot!
21:31 OldCoder Heh
21:31 OldCoder :-)
21:31 Uberi|Away hahaha
21:32 PilzAdam OldCoder, you may have noticed that we have auto-spam protection
21:32 OldCoder Two times is flooding?>
21:32 OldCoder But I agree3
21:32 Uberi|Away apparently
21:32 OldCoder But I agree * antiflood is good
21:32 VanessaE OldCoder: actually, 5.
21:32 OldCoder Hmm
21:32 Uberi|Away OldCoder: slow, yes, but not light on handling your data safely :)
21:32 PilzAdam Uberi|Away, sqlite works for singleplayer, but not for big servers
21:32 john_minetest Lol, Queen - 'Bohemian Rhapsody' is so strange...
21:32 OldCoder I said the forbidden word 3 times. Whatever. Hmm. Crashes seem to corrupt the databases though.
21:33 Uberi|Away PilzAdam: you mean in terms of performance, right?
21:33 VanessaE OldCoder: naw, the bot watches for postflooding also - multiple lines in a short time triggers the flood kick
21:33 Uberi|Away in any case, I fully support leveldb integration
21:33 PilzAdam I mean in terms of data safety
21:33 OldCoder Hmm
21:33 OldCoder PilzAdam, But I've observed a lot of corruption
21:33 PilzAdam in singleplayer you almost never reach 4 GiB
21:33 OldCoder It's sad to lose worlds. We almost lost Calinou World this way.
21:34 OldCoder Multiuser reaches 4GB easily
21:34 Exio does anyone know a thread-safe queue library that is easy to use for C?
21:34 john_minetest Can minetest mapper be rewritten for leveldb
21:34 Exio :D
21:34 OldCoder Exio, check http://freecode.com/ good site
21:34 OldCoder Probably several of those there
21:34 PilzAdam Exio, it also has to be fast, light and extremly powerful :-p
21:35 Exio the powerful part isn't needed for now, :P
21:35 Exio OldCoder: i'll check
21:36 OldCoder The new server is fast. This will be good.
21:39 john_minetest Wasn't "freecode" once "freshmeat"?
21:39 OldCoder Yes
21:39 OldCoder They felt it had connotations
21:39 OldCoder I love the site
21:39 OldCoder BEWorld is there
21:39 OldCoder I check it every day as I work on my own distro
21:39 OldCoder Cool stuff gets copied over
21:40 * OldCoder is working on the new VPS right now
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21:42 OldCoder iqualfragile, wb
21:42 john_minetest I sometimes check out projects on sourceforge and on github. Iirc freecode is made by the makers of sourceforge.
21:42 iqualfragile_ i guess i got a new ip…
21:43 iqualfragile_ i hate that, why do those isps need to assign you a new ip adresse every 24 hours?
21:43 john_minetest gtg, bye
21:43 iqualfragile_ bb
21:58 VanessaE Kacey: https://github.com/VanessaE/moretubes
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21:58 VanessaE you'll still need to give me a patch to pipeworks to make those tubes actually stay isolated.
21:58 VanessaE but here's the basic part of it.
22:01 Kacey alight i will fork it and work on it... if internet would let me
22:01 VanessaE it's not ready yet
22:01 VanessaE hold a sec
22:01 Kacey k
22:02 VanessaE there, that's got it
22:02 VanessaE you can clone that now.
22:03 Kacey k forked
22:04 VanessaE your github id is just 'kacey'?
22:04 Kacey no Kaceyproductions
22:04 VanessaE got it.
22:04 VanessaE you have push access to that repo now.
22:04 VanessaE no need to maintain a separate fork.
22:05 VanessaE about all you should need to do at this point is fix pipeworks to keep the two colors separated and make sure the items actually flow properly of course.
22:05 VanessaE note that I cannot run this on my server - I'm already at the limit for number of nodes (I have enough room for one color-set only)
22:06 Kacey lol
22:07 Kacey i can test
22:07 Kacey no need to patch pipeworks when we can make the function inside of moretubes
22:08 VanessaE well if you wanna override some pipeworks function, that's fine too, but if you can do it in such a way as to make it generic enough for others to use later, make it a patch anyway
22:08 Exio how the fuck can you reach the limit of nodes? :D
22:08 VanessaE Exio: I have lots of mods.  This one makes 56.
22:09 Exio hm
22:09 VanessaE the limit was supposed to be 65534 but someone decided to let a bug stand in the engine that limits it to 2096.
22:09 VanessaE er 4096
22:09 PilzAdam VanessaE, src/mapnoge.h:38 increase MAX_CONTENT and see what happens
22:09 PilzAdam *mapnode.h
22:10 VanessaE PilzAdam: no.  I asked for this change months and months ago.  Someone else can do it.
22:10 VanessaE (else I'll just get by without it)
22:10 PilzAdam I just want to know if its that easy
22:10 VanessaE it isn;t.
22:10 VanessaE supposedly there's some hardcoded constant elsewhere in the engine that also blocks it
22:10 VanessaE I don't remember the details, c55 knows.
22:11 VanessaE imho it should be expanded, at whatever cost, to some un-G*dly high value so as to guarantee that no one can ever reach the limit again.
22:12 Kacey VanessaE, the iso tubes arent the only thing that moretubes will add
22:12 VanessaE Kacey: I didn't think so, I figured you had other plans
22:12 Kacey ooh ya but iso tubes are frst on the list
22:13 VanessaE PilzAdam: well, I'll try it anyway
22:13 PilzAdam Ill test it too
22:13 VanessaE (setting it to fffd as I recall there are two node defs that are reserved)
22:16 VanessaE PilzAdam: well, it runs
22:18 PilzAdam without increasing the constant, it crashes when registering too many nodes
22:18 VanessaE yeah, segfaults for me
22:18 PilzAdam ok, registering 10000 nodes in a loop works when setting it to 0xfffd
22:19 PilzAdam testing 65000...
22:20 PilzAdam wow, works
22:21 Exio check creative
22:21 Exio < 1 inf >
22:21 Exio or what? :D
22:21 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~$ cat .minetest/debug.txt |grep ItemDefManager |cut -f 4- -d ":" |grep -v "alias" |sort|uniq|wc
22:21 VanessaE 4712   18848  352921
22:21 VanessaE woof!
22:22 VanessaE (surely there's not quite that many, should only be closer to 4200 in the current test)
22:22 PilzAdam it takes ~30 seconds to register all the nodes
22:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: the question then is, can the map, memory processes, and network protocol handle that many?
22:23 PilzAdam <VanessaE> imho it should be expanded, at whatever cost
22:24 PilzAdam "at whatever cost"
22:24 VanessaE well whatever cost = does it cause a minor CPU, memory, disk, network bandwidth impact
22:24 VanessaE not does it break maps :)
22:24 VanessaE (I wasn't clear, sorry)
22:25 PilzAdam ok, minetest_game + 65000 registered nodes just wont connect to singleplayer server
22:25 PilzAdam and one CPU core is at 100%
22:26 PilzAdam testing 30000
22:27 PilzAdam :-/
22:27 VanessaE oh well
22:27 VanessaE it was worth a try
22:28 VanessaE mention it in -dev if you want I guess
22:28 PilzAdam increasing the limit should be done anyways, people dont _have_ to use that many nodes
22:28 PilzAdam and if someone with a super computer wants to play the "uber game" in minetest then a constant in the code shouldnt block him
22:31 PilzAdam VanessaE, could you test it on your server for some time?
22:31 VanessaE Sure as long as it won't break the map
22:31 VanessaE (I don't understand how this stuff works, internally)
22:31 PilzAdam better backup first
22:32 VanessaE sure
22:34 PilzAdam oh, wait, doesnt the client need this limit to be increased too?
22:35 VanessaE dunno
22:35 VanessaE server's updated.
22:35 VanessaE good time to test I suppose
22:37 VanessaE everything in the creative inv looks correct and is in their correct places
22:37 PilzAdam how many items do you have now?
22:37 VanessaE checking..
22:37 PilzAdam 22:37:31: ERROR[main]: ContentFeatures::deSerialize(): Too large content id: 4096
22:37 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~$ cat /home/minetest/.minetest/debug-server.txt |grep ItemDefManager |cut -f 4- -d ":" |grep -v "alias" |sort|uniq|wc
22:37 VanessaE 4716   18862  353188
22:38 PilzAdam so, the client needs to be updated too
22:38 VanessaE (it's odd that it's that high, the only thing I added should have increased it by exactly 128 nodes)
22:38 VanessaE yeah
22:38 VanessaE so this becomes a "latest git only!" server for now, until 0.4.8 anyway
22:39 PilzAdam if we actually increase the limit in upstream
22:39 VanessaE may as well do it, if it's this easy
22:39 VanessaE my client on my server seems to be behaving the same as usual
22:41 VanessaE how far can that limit be pushed, in theory?
22:41 VanessaE without major changes to the protocol/map I mean
22:41 PilzAdam not higher than 2^16
22:41 VanessaE didn't think so
22:41 VanessaE but that's more than enough
22:42 VanessaE 64k ought to be enough for anybody.
22:42 PilzAdam with fffd you are pretty close to that
22:42 VanessaE ;)
22:42 VanessaE server's only using 199MB, which is pretty close to normal
22:43 VanessaE so it didn't cause a notable increase in RAM usage (I seem to recall someone was worried about that)
22:45 Kacey house screenies coming...
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22:45 PilzAdam inb4 "I CANT CONNECT" in VanessaE's server topic
22:45 VanessaE lol
22:46 Kacey http://i.imgur.com/qNzxw.png
22:46 Kacey haha jkjk that is my old house
22:47 VanessaE PilzAdam: good excuse to post a "server is down" message :P
22:47 PilzAdam VanessaE, or "1338 only"
22:47 VanessaE 1337*
22:47 PilzAdam *7
22:47 VanessaE ninja's
22:47 VanessaE ninja'd
22:48 Kacey imgur is being stupid
22:49 PilzAdam Kacey, you can use http://mg.viewskew.com/
22:50 iqualfragile_ oh, hey, mediagoblin realy is a thing now, isnt it?
22:51 PilzAdam iqualfragile_, its awesome
22:52 PilzAdam the linked server is hosted by StarBlessed
22:55 Kacey it is hard to say spam 10 times fast
22:55 VanessaE PilzAdam: I've been all over my server's map and so far nothing looks out of the ordinary
23:00 Kacey http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jboot111/m/house/ my good house
23:02 iqualfragile_ oh, wow, mediagoblin supports viewing models?
23:02 iqualfragile_ thats realy cool
23:03 PilzAdam Kacey, theres a new windows build
23:03 VanessaE nice house, kacey
23:06 Kacey it isnt done completely, but the basics are done
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23:13 iqualfragile_ haha, ascii art
23:14 PilzAdam iqualfragile_, the lead dev of mediagoblin really likes ASCII-art
23:15 iqualfragile_ i think that it will have some potential when it gets federated
23:15 PilzAdam it still needs a "search" feature
23:16 iqualfragile_ yeah, that might come in handý
23:17 iqualfragile_ i hope that daala gets ready within the next year or two
23:17 iqualfragile_ that would really help those people
23:19 VanessaE PilzAdam: would you mind putting forth that change in -dev so we can at least see if anyone's going to reject it?
23:19 Mallot1 ok if u dont believe me
23:19 Mallot1 lol
23:19 Mallot1 sure vanessaE
23:20 PilzAdam VanessaE, feel free to ask there
23:20 Mallot1 im there right now
23:20 VanessaE I'm not in there and no one is gonna listen to me anywya
23:20 VanessaE anyway*
23:20 iqualfragile_ & they might need to improve their loding strategies for videos
23:21 iqualfragile_ right now it just loads the whole thing as fast as possible
23:21 iqualfragile_ but it happens quite often that people skip big chunks or jus stop watching
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23:30 iqualfragile_ the problem about free music is that everybody uses it
23:31 Mallot1 ???
23:32 Mallot1 minetest doesn't have gameplay music
23:32 PilzAdam iqualfragile_, the problem is that you can get the not free music for free too
23:32 kahrl Mallot1: ambience mod
23:33 Mallot1 i meant built-in
23:35 iqualfragile_ nah, its just that i sometimes view youtube-videos or play evil litle flashgames and then i hear the same 3 songs over and over again
23:36 iqualfragile_ the ambience mod realy improves minetest
23:36 iqualfragile_ makes it more fun to play
23:37 iqualfragile_ and as i am giving out compiments right now: arch is awsome, too
23:37 iqualfragile_ realy, you should switch to it
23:38 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=96184#p96184 :D
23:38 khonkhortisan while we are switching, switch from qwerty
23:39 PilzAdam yea, use qwertz
23:39 khonkhortisan switch the redstone off and the mesecons on
23:39 khonkhortisan switch to 6d facedir
23:41 iqualfragile_ i am not using querty
23:41 iqualfragile_ i am using neo2
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