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00:22 dysoco Weird, I'm trying the zipped build for Windows and it won't open Minetest: It says "Minetest stopped working"
00:22 dysoco W8 btw
00:24 Menche run it from a terminal and post the output
00:25 dysoco no output at all
00:25 dysoco I tried installing from the .exe and same result
00:25 Exio can you try any mingw build?
00:25 Menche you try running it from cmd?
00:26 Menche there should be at least some output
00:26 arsdragonfly dysoco is that an x86_64 cpu or an ARM one?
00:26 dysoco I said there is no output at all, already ran it from CMD :P
00:26 dysoco must be x86-64
00:26 dysoco The one that's at the top of http://minetest.net/download
00:26 Exio cat /proc/cpuinfo >:D
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00:27 Menche did it make a debug.txt?
00:27 Exio dysoco: try with a mingw build
00:27 Exio (pilzadam's build, for example)
00:27 dysoco Menche, nope
00:27 dysoco Exio, let me try
00:29 dysoco Exio, yep, PilzAdam's build works fine
00:29 dysoco but the other one should work too, it's the "main one"
00:29 dysoco I will try it tomorrow in other PC
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00:32 Exio ok
00:33 Exio the msvc build doesn't work but the mingw one does
00:33 Exio microsoft fail
00:34 dysoco I have tried to build Minetest with VS in the past
00:34 dysoco ... it obviously didn't work
00:35 dysoco nothing builds under VS
00:37 Exio the official build was compiled with vs
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01:20 khonkhortisan Found the solution to the noteblock bug, that was a lot of work
01:35 MinetestBot GIT: khonkhortisan commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: mesecon:rules_link nil return rule 4f2604e01b 2013-06-10T18:29:40-07:00 http://git.io/gINACg
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01:43 khonkhortisan VanessaE, ^
02:11 NakedFury guys go watch E3 live streams
02:11 NakedFury go
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04:40 arsdragonfly|pho sfan5 could you give me that cURL snippie again?
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04:41 arsdragonfly I tried to compile cURL from source but it failed
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04:48 ice__ hello?
04:48 [0gb_us] Iello!
04:48 [0gb_us] *Hello!
04:50 ice__ have you tried the monorail mod
04:50 ice__ I dont know how the stitches work
04:50 ice__ *switches
04:50 [0gb_us] Sorry, I have not tried it.
04:50 ice__ k
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05:05 ice__ anyone else?
05:05 ice__ Actually
05:06 ice__ PilzAdam's carts are perfect
05:06 ice__ Except that they dont have switchers
05:06 ice__ Which I need
05:07 khonkhortisan they used to have switches
05:08 [0gb_us] To the old version!
05:17 khonkhortisan I want to represent a 3d rotation in lua, and be able to apply rotations to that rotation, and apply that rotation to a vector. How do I do that?
05:18 khonkhortisan And compare whether two rotations are the same (or normalize them)
05:20 khonkhortisan I don't want to reinvent the wheel/write geometric functions into commonlib
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05:45 hmmmm man, people are crazy
05:45 hmmmm at least one person out there thinks they're going to find a quant with a math Ph.D. for $120k, in NYC
05:47 ch98 what was steel block called when modding? I have a very small change to my mod but I don't have minetest on here.
05:51 VanessaE khonkhortisan: updated and deployed.
05:53 VanessaE ch98: defautl:steelblock
05:53 VanessaE default:steelblock  rather
05:54 khonkhortisan coatl:blockosteel
05:55 VanessaE but that's only in Quantal Quetzal ;)
05:55 khonkhortisan rejoining is lethal!
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05:58 VanessaE khonkhortisan: protip:  use fewer fonts and fewer sizes in your bug comments :)
05:59 khonkhortisan okay
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06:03 VanessaE so, luacontrollers are safe to run on a server then?
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06:56 VanessaE bbl
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07:31 Calinou le me is getting random kernel panics when booting
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09:02 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Corn on the Cob Day! :-)
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11:16 rubenwardy Hi All!
11:18 rubenwardy spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=94342#p94342
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11:23 john_minetest Hey rubenwardy
11:23 rubenwardy Hi
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11:36 arsdragonfly !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org 30000
11:36 MinetestBot arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30000 seems to be down
11:36 arsdragonfly !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org 30002
11:36 MinetestBot arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30002 is up (467ms)
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12:13 rubenwardy SmugLeaf, wtf?
12:28 SmugLeaf wat
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12:33 rubenwardy SmugLeaf: http://pastebin.com/tTBAPCnj
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12:38 AntonBoch1244 Hello Everyone!
12:39 rubenwardy Hi
12:43 SmugLeaf oh
12:43 SmugLeaf I had joins off
12:43 SmugLeaf have
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12:45 hoodedice Hello?
12:46 hoodedice Is there any way you can block out player name in multiplayer?
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12:47 rubenwardy huh?
12:47 rubenwardy you mean ban?
12:47 rubenwardy oh
12:48 rubenwardy you mean so people can not see your name tag floating around?
12:48 hoodedice not ban
12:48 hoodedice haha
12:48 hoodedice name tag thingy
12:50 rubenwardy ok
12:50 rubenwardy completely gone, or only shown when they are close to the player?
12:51 hoodedice completely gone, preferrably
12:51 hoodedice If not possible, then close thingy
12:52 rubenwardy unlimited_player_transfer_distance = true
12:52 rubenwardy set to false
12:52 rubenwardy so unlimited_player_transfer_distance = false
12:52 hoodedice in what?
12:52 rubenwardy in minetest.cong
12:52 rubenwardy *.conf
12:52 hoodedice kk
12:52 hoodedice thanks a lot
12:53 rubenwardy more info: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L229
12:53 hoodedice ahha
12:53 hoodedice got it
12:53 hoodedice thanks again
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13:14 sfan5 hi
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14:20 rubenwardy Does "Chargement" mean "loading" (as in a game) in french?
14:23 rubenwardy Any one like BBC Merlin here?
14:24 NakedFury a show?
14:24 NakedFury tv show
14:25 rubenwardy tv show, yes
14:26 rubenwardy http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mjlxv
14:26 NakedFury I watch season one
14:26 rubenwardy There is a face book game for it now
14:26 rubenwardy It is quite bad, you do not even play as any of the main characters
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14:28 KikaRz Hi! :D
14:30 rubenwardy Hi!
14:30 rubenwardy your ip is 217-129-172-163!
14:32 KikaRz ...
14:32 KikaRz Yours: 86-160-67-207
14:32 KikaRz -.-
14:32 KikaRz And really, that's not my IP.
14:32 KikaRz I'm in a public station
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14:50 john_minetest My IP is hidden :D
14:51 KikaRz Mine too
14:51 KikaRz make whois to me
14:51 KikaRz not CTCP WHOIS
14:51 KikaRz -.-
14:51 KikaRz lawl
14:51 KikaRz lawl
14:51 KikaRz lawl
14:51 KikaRz was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
14:51 john_minetest lol
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14:52 KikaRz lawl!
14:52 john_minetest !up minetest.org 30000-30015
14:52 MinetestBot john_minetest: To check multiple Ports please use Query
14:52 KikaRz hahahahah
14:53 john_minetest Once ShadowBot kicked Minetest bot because of a !up command with several ports. Repetition flood detected :D
14:53 KikaRz lol...
14:54 KikaRz This is so funny
14:54 KikaRz <KikaRz> !up minetest.net 10000-30000
14:54 KikaRz <MinetestBot> KikaRz: Too many Ports specified
14:54 john_minetest !c 9999^999999999
14:54 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
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14:54 KikaRz 10 is the limit?
14:55 john_minetest Maybe
14:55 KikaRz Too funny
14:55 KikaRz I'm spamming MinetestBot in query
14:55 KikaRz <MinetestBot> minetest.net:30005 seems to be down
14:56 KikaRz <MinetestBot> minetest.net:30004 seems to be down
14:56 KikaRz <MinetestBot> minetest.net:30005 seems to be down
14:56 KikaRz was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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14:56 KikaRz Second Kick...
14:56 Calinou KikaRz: sed abuse is funnier
14:56 Calinou (Exio-approved)
14:57 KikaRz sed abuse?
14:57 Calinou :>
14:57 KikaRz ??
14:57 KikaRz who's Exio?
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14:57 Calinou some guy I know who contributes a bit to minetest
14:57 KikaRz Who?
14:58 Exio KikaRz: i'm exio4
14:58 Calinou he also plays on a minecraft server I play on
14:58 KikaRz Calinou, stop being off topic, Minecraft isn't permitted here.
14:58 Exio why not?
14:58 Calinou heh
14:58 Calinou minceraft!
14:59 KikaRz minceraft is better...
14:59 Exio what is wrong with minecraft
14:59 KikaRz Exio, stop being off topic, Minecraft isn't permitted here.
14:59 * Calinou is playing TF2
14:59 Exio ll
14:59 Exio +o
14:59 KikaRz Calinou, that's really butter than Minceraft.!
14:59 rubenwardy Thats like going to texas and asking what is wrong with black people
14:59 Calinou lol
15:00 KikaRz rubenwardy, Nope.
15:00 Exio rubenwardy: minetest started as a MC clone
15:00 rubenwardy yeah, I know
15:00 KikaRz This is going to Sweden and telling Notch, that he's a piece of crap that don't have imagination to create another game without being Infiniminer clone!
15:00 Exio and is somewhat one
15:00 rubenwardy I am joking
15:00 KikaRz And Minetest was created first than Minecraft.
15:00 Exio ok
15:00 Exio if you say so
15:00 KikaRz Yes, it was!
15:01 KikaRz We can say everyone!
15:01 Calinou no
15:01 Calinou minecraft: may 2009
15:01 NakedFury it was after MC
15:01 Calinou minetest: october 2010
15:01 KikaRz Calinou, nope... August 2010
15:01 Calinou I started playing MC in november 2010 and MT in july 2011
15:01 Calinou lol no
15:01 KikaRz lol
15:01 Calinou go ask see-fifty-five :P
15:01 KikaRz Calinou, go to see C55's plans.
15:02 KikaRz Minetest is way older than Minecraft! Minetest was in C55's mind after Minecraft infiltrating into C55's head.
15:03 KikaRz *after Notch infiltrating into C55's head.
15:03 KikaRz And, about C55, where is he? :/
15:03 sfan5 !seen celeron55
15:03 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen celeron55 around.
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15:03 KikaRz !seen celeron
15:04 KikaRz sfan5... ?
15:04 sfan5 <KikaRz> I'm spamming MinetestBot in query
15:04 KikaRz I was.
15:04 john_minetest !seen celeron55
15:04 MinetestBot john_minetest: Sorry, I haven't seen celeron55 around.
15:04 KikaRz I'm not anymore
15:04 KikaRz I was trying to do a test.
15:04 sfan5 "Do not abuse the bot"
15:04 KikaRz That's not a rule.
15:04 KikaRz That's a request.
15:04 sfan5 it is
15:05 rubenwardy !kick KikaRz
15:05 rubenwardy lol
15:05 Exio isn't common sense a rule
15:05 Exio ?
15:05 KikaRz Not always.
15:06 ch98 can someone test concrete mod so there is no error?
15:06 john_minetest Lol, in a features list of an IRC client: "No PhD required"
15:06 ch98 I updted it but could not test it without minetest
15:06 Exio what irc client?
15:06 john_minetest kiwiirc
15:06 Exio ch98: can't you run a VM?
15:06 john_minetest Exio, https://kiwiirc.com/
15:07 ch98 what is that?
15:07 KikaRz And sfan5, where is that rule?
15:07 KikaRz And sfan5, where is that order/request?
15:07 sfan5 KikaRz: thats is common sense
15:08 KikaRz Kiwii =)
15:08 KikaRz I love that fruit
15:08 sfan5 if you got something, don't abuse it
15:08 KikaRz What sfan5?
15:08 john_minetest KikaRz: I like kiwis, too. I saw a yellow kiwi on a market a year or so ago. It looked very funny.
15:09 KikaRz I saw one green one!
15:09 KikaRz That was fantastic.
15:09 john_minetest KikaRz: Green ones are normal.
15:09 KikaRz Oh wait... Kiwis are supposed to be green...
15:09 KikaRz Oh yea... They are green... Stupid mind.
15:09 ch98 If VM ment virtual machine, there is no ppc version
15:10 john_minetest Green kiwis are mainstream. Yellow ones are hipster kiwis :D
15:10 KikaRz john_minetest, my brother says that he saw one blue.
15:10 KikaRz well, not blue... purple
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15:11 john_minetest Lol. Surely it was a genetic modified killer Kiwi from the dark side of the moon.
15:20 KikaRz Look here, a question
15:21 KikaRz A barber (who is a man) shaves all and only those men who do not shave themselves. Does he shave himself?
15:21 KikaRz I prefer to ask, to a machine.
15:21 KikaRz If this sentence is true, then Santa Claus exists.
15:22 KikaRz I think everyone froze when I've done those 2 paradoxes.
15:22 khonkhortisan He shaves half his face
15:22 KikaRz khonkhortisan, no answer.
15:23 khonkhortisan Yes, but not fully
15:23 KikaRz Because you don't know what kind of men he is.
15:23 KikaRz And what he does in his daily...
15:23 KikaRz And this one? If this sentence is true, then Santa Claus exists.
15:23 khonkhortisan I'm assuming it's his decision whether to shave himself
15:24 KikaRz If this sentence is true, then Santa Claus exists.
15:26 KikaRz Human: If this sentence is true, then Santa Claus exists.
15:26 KikaRz Dr. Romulon: So if not Santa Claus exists, then not this sentence is true.
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15:28 KikaRz Hi Zeg9
15:28 KikaRz Been a long time
15:28 Zeg9 Hello
15:28 KikaRz http://nlp-addiction.com/chatbot/dr.romulon/
15:28 KikaRz Too cool!
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15:28 Jordach oops
15:29 KikaRz OMG
15:29 Calinou s/nlp/mlp
15:29 KikaRz khonkhortisan, your answer is:
15:29 KikaRz Human: A barber (who is a man) shaves all and only those men who do not shave themselves. Does he shave himself?
15:29 KikaRz Dr. Romulon: When is a barber who not a man shaves all and only those men who do not shave themselves? Suppose he does.
15:32 Vohveli < KikaRz> A barber (who is a man) shaves all and only those men who do not shave themselves. Does he shave himself?
15:32 Vohveli answer: you lie
15:32 Zeg9 Human: do you speak french?
15:32 Zeg9 Dr. Romulon: Oui. Je parle le français.
15:32 Zeg9 Human: vous parlez français ?
15:32 Zeg9 Dr. Romulon: Quite honestly, I wouldn't worry myself about that.
15:32 Zeg9 was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like ix.io or pastebin.ubuntu.com.
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15:33 Zeg9 :(
15:33 khonkhortisan Hi ShadowBot!
15:33 KikaRz Zeg9 lawl
15:35 KikaRz ShadowBot!
15:35 KikaRz .up vanessae.mine.bz
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15:37 Jordach uh oh
15:37 Jordach my bios is going crazy
15:38 KikaRz Human:   I know you perhaps in my fantasies we knew each other
15:38 KikaRz Eliza: Your fantasies we knew each other ?
15:38 KikaRz Human:   I know my fantasies we know each other
15:38 KikaRz Eliza: Why do you say your fantasies we know each other ?
15:38 KikaRz was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like ix.io or pastebin.ubuntu.com.
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15:39 khonkhortisan Eliza is dumb
15:39 khonkhortisan Why do you say I am dumb?
15:42 KikaRz Human:   Elisa, you are dumb
15:42 KikaRz Eliza: Perhaps you would like to be dumb.
15:42 KikaRz Such a bitch
15:42 KikaRz Eliza: Lets discuss further why your fantasies we know each other.
15:43 KikaRz Stupid WINE
15:43 KikaRz he changed my screen resolution
15:48 KikaRz playing trackmania
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15:50 Jordach Calinou, PM
15:52 KikaRz stupid wine
15:52 KikaRz now its laggy
15:57 KikaRz How i install NTFS3G?
16:01 Morrolan `package_manager correct_args ntfs-3g`
16:01 KikaRz ok
16:01 KikaRz but one more thing
16:01 KikaRz my pendrive, appears with some...
16:01 KikaRz .TRASH-1000
16:02 KikaRz and that folder is not disappearing
16:02 KikaRz I cant delete it
16:02 KikaRz And it got 2 GB, and just appears to have 1,9 GB
16:03 Morrolan Probably the difference between GB and GiB.
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16:05 KikaRz ...
16:05 KikaRz Its GiB
16:06 Morrolan Manufacturers usually advertise the capacity as GB, while most (if not all) operating systems show it as GiB.
16:06 Calinou the inverse you mean
16:06 Morrolan No.
16:07 Morrolan It's more noticeable with 1TB HDDs, they show up as "only" ~970 GiB.
16:07 Morrolan Sorry, 930GiB it'd be.
16:07 KikaRz ...
16:07 KikaRz ok...
16:09 * Calinou 's SSD approves
16:09 Calinou 238 GB
16:10 Morrolan It'd be a tad less confusing if Windows' 'My Workplace' would use the 'GiB' suffix instead of 'GB' since, if I'm not mistaken, it shows the capacity as GiB.
16:10 Morrolan s/Workplace/Computer/
16:10 Calinou MS doesn't think the people should hear about "gibs"
16:10 Morrolan Probably. :P
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16:15 KikaRz What a stupid thing.
16:15 KikaRz .net Framework 4.5 has launched.
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16:25 MarkTwain Hello everyone!
16:26 mitori PilzAdam, i tried once again. let me hear what you've got to say about this, new, edited, improved soundpack
16:26 mitori what's up
16:26 MarkTwain Hi
16:27 Jordach hey mitori
16:27 MarkTwain How do i set up a remote media server?
16:27 MarkTwain Do i separate all the textures and sounds?
16:28 mitori Jordach hey
16:32 Calinou MarkTwain: afaik no
16:32 Calinou MarkTwain: like a web server
16:32 Calinou tip: you can use dropbox
16:34 Calinou KikaRz: do you have trackmania
16:34 KikaRz Yes...
16:34 KikaRz But today its 99,9% bugged
16:34 KikaRz how I refresh X Server?
16:35 KikaRz It's totally bugged... Without cars, just lights... pics out of the place
16:35 Jordach is trackmania free btw
16:35 Calinou Jordach: the nations version, yes
16:36 Calinou but it's not free as in onpon4 >:o
16:36 Calinou :>
16:36 KikaRz onpon4?
16:36 Jordach nice
16:37 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87998#p87998
16:37 Calinou pop corn
16:37 MarkTwain does the client download ALL of the media?
16:37 Calinou MarkTwain: of course it does, what do you think it is going to do with?
16:37 Calinou clients do not fap to media
16:38 MarkTwain Or does it request what the server has?
16:38 MarkTwain Because i have removed parts of mesecons but the textures are still there
16:39 MarkTwain Okay i have a folder with 6 MB in it
16:39 MarkTwain What do i do with it now?
16:40 MarkTwain And how much faster is this?
16:41 MarkTwain Calinou?
16:42 KikaRz Who here plays CS 2D?
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16:43 MarkTwain nickspam^
16:43 * Calinou just did 2nd in a trackmania race
16:43 VanessaE hi all.
16:43 Calinou 147 LP \o/
16:44 Calinou hi VanessaE
16:44 Calinou MarkTwain: it depends on the remote media server's connection speed
16:44 Calinou it is usually at least 3× as fast
16:44 MarkTwain so it downloads all of it?
16:45 MarkTwain Even if i have a series of top gear on it?
16:45 Calinou no
16:45 Calinou only the mod textures and sounds
16:47 * Morrolan sighs
16:47 MarkTwain all mod textures and sounds?
16:47 Morrolan And I thought Minecraft users were illiterate. :P
16:48 MarkTwain Because when i connect to a server it seems like the client really is fapping to the media
16:49 Calinou lol
16:49 Calinou MarkTwain: don't you have a very slow connection anyway?
16:49 MarkTwain My conection is fine
16:50 MarkTwain *Connection
16:50 MarkTwain Which .py do i open in MCEdit?
16:50 MarkTwain config or setup?
16:50 Calinou what?
16:50 Calinou I don't know
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16:52 MarkTwain so how do i upload to dropbox? Do i need an account?
16:53 thefamilygrog66 howd folks
16:53 Calinou hi
16:53 thefamilygrog66 *howdy even
16:53 Calinou MarkTwain: yes you do
16:53 Calinou you just drag and drop or use the dropbox program
16:53 MarkTwain okay
16:53 VanessaE is it possible to prevent the engine from using entity collision?
16:54 Calinou edit the code? :P
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16:54 VanessaE I'm having an issue with pipeworks that may be due to this, and I need to inform Nore of how (generally) to avoid it.
16:55 MarkTwain lol i had an account already
16:55 MarkTwain now what?
16:55 Exio [12:09:43] <ch98> If VM ment virtual machine, there is no ppc version
16:55 Exio ch98: qemu
16:56 Exio works everywhere, emulates everything
16:58 VanessaE Calinou: so.. how would it be done?
16:58 VanessaE obviously the spawned objects should be selectable, but not collide-able.
16:59 Calinou you can disable entity collision per-entity with lua already
16:59 Calinou (can you? I hope so ;_;)
16:59 VanessaE physical=true/false?
16:59 khonkhortisan then it falls through the ground
16:59 thefamilygrog66 into the void...
16:59 Exio there is no void
16:59 thefamilygrog66 figuratively speaking
16:59 khonkhortisan just artifacts down there
17:00 khonkhortisan sky blue-colored pixels in pitch blackness
17:00 thefamilygrog66 cool!
17:01 VanessaE khonkhortisan: come to where I am on the server
17:02 MarkTwain 12 mins 1.89 MB
17:02 MarkTwain 739 files
17:03 Calinou MarkTwain must be doing "ls pron_folder"
17:03 Calinou :>
17:03 MarkTwain ls
17:03 MarkTwain ?
17:03 khonkhortisan hahaha
17:03 khonkhortisan you no know ls?
17:03 MarkTwain I think it'll be a lot more than 1 MB
17:04 khonkhortisan come to think of it, I don't know what ls stands for
17:04 MarkTwain ln -s /path/to/file ~/Desktop
17:04 MarkTwain ?
17:04 khonkhortisan ah, list
17:04 MarkTwain oh
17:04 MarkTwain Ive been using tree lol
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17:05 khonkhortisan tree looks nicer
17:05 MarkTwain ls is neater
17:05 MarkTwain for less files
17:05 MarkTwain lol ive taken the hard way for soo many things lol
17:05 MarkTwain wait..
17:05 khonkhortisan ls gives you a table
17:06 khonkhortisan The longer the names are, the less columns
17:06 MarkTwain How can i get all the mods i have installed?
17:06 MarkTwain in a file
17:06 MarkTwain to upload
17:06 VanessaE khonkhortisan: *poke*
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17:06 khonkhortisan FPS=3 frozen window, not refreshing the frame
17:06 VanessaE ohh
17:07 khonkhortisan depends on whether you want to count modpacks as one mod, and whether you added any mods in that modpack
17:07 VanessaE khonkhortisan: no worries, I'll just take a screenshot
17:08 khonkhortisan just enable all your mods for the world, then process that file
17:09 MarkTwain After i added all the media files, can i add more after when i add new mods?
17:09 MarkTwain I think it would be better if it requested files rather that getting all of them
17:11 MarkTwain Calinou, how can i set it out nicely and not spam my dropbox folder?
17:11 MarkTwain like a true HTTPServer
17:12 Calinou set it out nicely?
17:12 Calinou you can create a directory for all your mod files
17:12 MarkTwain okay
17:12 MarkTwain and il upload mods aswell...
17:12 Calinou khonkhortisan: fun fact: RMS wrote the "ls" command
17:12 * Jordach builds stealth fighter in blender
17:12 Exio did you rtfm that Calinou?
17:12 * Calinou saps Jordach's stealth fighter
17:12 Calinou Exio: yeah
17:12 Exio :P
17:13 MarkTwain The thing is: homedecor signs and digiline monitor share the same textures
17:14 Jordach Calinou, its only subdivided to a 4^3 cube
17:14 Calinou replace the textures in any order then
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17:14 thefamilygrog66 Would any forum moderators mind moving this to mod releases, please?
17:14 thefamilygrog66 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6214
17:15 Jordach Calinou, my last model looked like an arwing
17:16 Calinou thefamilygrog66: done
17:16 MarkTwain whole game: 10-15 sec, media files: 12 min
17:16 Calinou 2 minute delay only :D
17:16 thefamilygrog66 Thanks, Calinou
17:16 Calinou np
17:20 MarkTwain Everyone: post name of the server you are on
17:21 thefamilygrog66 none of the above
17:22 Calinou none, playing trackmania right now
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17:46 ShadowNinja Does Lua have some base64 conversion functions?
17:46 ShadowNinja (For adding SASL authentication to the IRC mod)
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17:47 Calinou https://startpage.com/do/search?q=Lua+base64+conversion+functions
17:49 ShadowNinja So no. But I can add my own.
17:50 ShadowNinja Hmmm, maybe LuaSocket has them...
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18:04 sfan5 lawl, the linux kernel on my first core somehow broke because I used "sudo minicom --device /dev/ttyprintk" and now /bin/login is broken
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18:06 Calinou "on my first core"?
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18:11 sfan5 Calinou: it displayed a kernel oops screen but web browser and many other things were still working
18:12 sfan5 ...probably it wasn't the first core
18:14 * Calinou gets random kernel panics when booting or logging in
18:14 Calinou quite rare, but it happens
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18:16 Jordach Calinou, MK2: http://imgur.com/a/llGxz
18:17 Jordach (the right wing is strange because blender's mirror edit *still* doesnt work properly
18:17 Jordach )
18:19 Exio Calinou: fixyourhardware
18:19 Exio if a kernel panic happens randomly; check where is the problem :P
18:19 Jordach or not use linux
18:20 Exio memtest, benchmarks, etc
18:20 Exio Jordach: what do you suggest? a BSOD?
18:20 Jordach Exio, none on this vista tower
18:20 Exio did you even get a kernel panic in that tower, too?
18:20 Jordach nope and nope
18:20 Jordach never had one
18:20 Jordach with 3.2
18:20 Exio with HW problems windowsis even worse than linux for crashing
18:20 Exio windows is *
18:21 Jordach Exio, my hardware is fine, except for the dying PSU
18:21 Calinou Exio: the RAM is fine
18:21 Calinou this is probably because of 13.04 kernel ;-;
18:21 Exio Calinou: wat
18:21 Calinou heard it was a known bug
18:21 Exio ah
18:21 * Exio uses 3.nine
18:21 Calinou apparently ubutnu doesn't like fast SSDs
18:21 Calinou --reddit
18:22 Exio .something :D
18:22 Calinou Exio: no, windows handles them better
18:22 Calinou graphic driver crash doesn't put you a black screen forcing you to poweroff your PC
18:23 Jordach linux is really good
18:23 Exio if your graphic driver crashes, then something is really wrong
18:23 Jordach for cross platform devs
18:24 Exio if you don't want to play the lastest FPS around, it is ok too
18:24 Jordach yeah
18:24 Jordach OMFG
18:24 Calinou TIL crysis 3, BF3 and CoD are all good games
18:24 Jordach someone is using libtorrent
18:25 Exio Calinou: i said lastest
18:25 Calinou these are lastest
18:25 Exio Jordach: so what
18:25 Calinou it's latest btw :P
18:25 Exio wtf
18:25 Exio my spelling.so threw a segfault
18:25 Exio Calinou: latest != good ;P
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18:27 Calinou that was sarcasm :P
18:39 Jordach my fucking luck: http://i.imgur.com/oln7K39.png
18:39 Jordach im seeding myself
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18:42 thexyz Jordach: what's that? µtorrent?
18:42 Jordach yus
18:42 Jordach 3.0
18:42 Jordach no ads :>
18:43 thexyz enjoy your NSA surveillance
18:43 Jordach haha
18:43 Jordach <- doesnt give one fuck
18:43 thexyz where do you live?
18:43 Jordach UK
18:43 Jordach (not raine)
18:44 Jordach thing is, our own government torrents shit
18:44 thexyz lol
18:44 Jordach (its a legal safe haven here!)
18:44 Jordach up until 2015
18:44 thexyz anyway, https://twitter.com/_nothingtohide
18:45 Jordach thexyz, i see a modern day revolution coming
18:46 Jordach look at the recent libyan conflict and that other one which i cant remember the name for
18:47 Jordach the US will be crushed and major banks / corporate multi-nationals destroyed
18:47 thexyz okay
18:47 Jordach (actually, most 1st world countries will be crushed)
18:48 Jordach london riots? the stabbing of the british soldier? im seeing war brewing
18:48 thexyz I don't but I'm not into politics
18:49 Jordach thexyz, NSA spies are pushing the limits of human rights
18:49 Jordach the US will be sanctioned
18:57 thexyz okay
19:02 Jordach i once had an exil capcha
19:02 Jordach evil*
19:02 Jordach because it was in fuckin greek
19:03 khonkhortisan then type it in fuckin greek
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19:09 BlockMen hi
19:12 [0gb_us] Hello!
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19:12 * khonkhortisan is now known as NodeMan
19:12 Calinou hi
19:12 Calinou khonkhortisan, fake
19:12 Jordach PilzAdam, moonflower was merged
19:13 [0gb_us] NodeMan to the rescue!
19:13 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
19:13 * Calinou backstabs NodeMan
19:14 * Jordach saps Calinou
19:14 Calinou you cannot sap people
19:14 Calinou this is not BF3
19:14 khonkhortisan 2. Hit with a bludgeon or club.
19:14 * Jordach gives Calinou a good de-fibbing
19:15 Jordach that sounds real wrong :)
19:15 ShadowNinja How do you escape '#' in minetest.conf? \#? "#string"?
19:15 khonkhortisan minetest.escape...()
19:15 khonkhortisan nevermind
19:15 Calinou ShadowBot, not sure if possible
19:16 Calinou put the string between quotes?
19:16 khonkhortisan Yeah me neither, ShadowBot
19:16 Calinou me NETHER
19:16 khonkhortisan I believe my tab complete is ordered by last spoke
19:16 Jordach me NETHER
19:16 Jordach dammit Calinou
19:19 * Jordach considers changing FB image to :trollface:
19:28 Calinou do that for your gravatar and minetest forum avatar
19:29 Calinou and on april 1st, change both to a pony of your choice.
19:29 Calinou :trollface:
19:30 Jordach Calinou, even better#
19:30 Jordach have a gif that loops over 20 seconds
19:30 Jordach so the eyes on my avatar change
19:31 Jordach its a windup, but funny
19:35 Jordach i want a chromebook sooo bad
19:35 Calinou lol, chromebook
19:35 Calinou people want celerons now?
19:35 Jordach Calinou, i want the Pixel
19:36 [0gb_us] Meh. From what I hear, a Chromebook would be an awful fit for me. Though they are useful to a lot of people.
19:36 Jordach (in fact i'd remove the Panel and convert it to a monitor :) )
19:36 Calinou >2880×1800 in small laptop
19:36 Calinou >still no WQHD in 24"
19:36 Calinou kay
19:36 [0gb_us] They don't use local applications, only web applications. No Minetest!
19:37 Calinou you can install linux
19:37 Jordach [0gb_us], flash SSD, install Ubuntu
19:37 Jordach or debian 7 if in feeling lucky </pun>
19:37 Jordach im*
19:38 [0gb_us] The hardware isn't set up for normal operating systems. In both hardware and software, it's built as only a web browser.
19:39 [0gb_us] Also, Chrome OS is GNU/Linux, but with a lot of stuff stripped out, and other stuff more specialized.
19:40 Calinou it is
19:40 Calinou but it isn't powerful
19:40 [0gb_us] No, but neither is the hardware on those things. Fast, but weak.
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19:42 Jordach just like your mother
19:43 Jordach > Fast, but weak
19:43 Jordach >:D
19:43 [0gb_us] That is a good point. Fast, but weak minded.
19:43 Jordach thats what she said
19:44 [0gb_us] No, that's what I said about her ... weren't you paying attention?
19:46 Jordach ffs
19:46 Jordach my download folder after clearing 1 wk later: 500mb
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19:46 [0gb_us] Personally, I want one of those Alienware laptops. They're supposed to be as least as powerful as desktop computers, and if you get the right ones, they come with GNU/Linux.
19:46 Jordach Alienware == Dell
19:46 Jordach your expecting linux, LOL
19:47 Jordach all of them come with UEFI and Windows 8
19:47 [0gb_us] Jordach, http://www.alienware.com/ubuntu/
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19:48 [0gb_us] Dell hide the Ubuntu ones from being reached from the main site. But with a link, they DO exist.
19:48 [0gb_us] *Hides
19:49 * Jordach drools
19:49 Calinou ^
19:49 Calinou Jordach, all modern mobos have UEFI
19:49 Jordach its like Calinou's wet dream
19:49 Calinou since sandy bridge/bulldozer
19:49 Calinou no u
19:50 Jordach Calinou, i was talking about the alienware
19:50 Calinou [0gb_us], alienware is stupid
19:50 Calinou expensive stuff with bad performance
19:50 Calinou [0gb_us], no laptop can beat a desktop
19:50 Jordach i'd rather but a intel xeon
19:50 Jordach buy*
19:50 [0gb_us] Calinou, okay, what would you suggest? Requirements: must be moble, must be powerful, must NOT come with Windows.
19:50 Calinou octacore xeon + quad SLI of titans
19:50 Jordach and use THAT for gaming
19:51 Calinou [0gb_us], clevo laptops
19:51 [0gb_us] !g clevo
19:51 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://www.clevo.com.tw/
19:51 Calinou they are very customisable, and come without an OS
19:51 Calinou you can even buy them without RAM or storage
19:51 Jordach <Calinou> :phoronix rolleyes:
19:51 Calinou :phoronix happy face:
19:51 [0gb_us] Without an OS is fine. I don't mind installing myself, I just mind paying for WIndows.
19:52 Jordach MOFA Series
19:52 Jordach Mother of Fucking Awesome
19:53 Calinou [0gb_us], by the way, you do not want a dedicated graphics card today
19:53 Calinou switchable graphics is a PITA
19:53 [0gb_us] THe links on their site are malformed, making it hard to navigate. ("http://www/en/products/prodinfo.asp?productid=466") I'll look into it when I'm less pressed for time.
19:53 Calinou really, just get an IGP
19:53 Calinou oh
19:54 * Jordach is building a space station on an empty map
19:55 * Calinou just beat graphitemaster at chess
19:55 Calinou won with time \o/
19:55 Jordach he'll wax his nether soon
19:55 Jordach we need a YT link spammer
19:55 ShadowNinja NickServ and SASL authentication in the IRC mod now. :-) new_LuaIRC branch. Add it to your server and join my IRC network. :-)
19:56 Calinou Jordach, do it
19:56 [0gb_us] I don't know what to build. I need to finish building my game before I know what I have to work with while building in-game.
19:56 Calinou PilzAdam will probably help too, since he wrote the nether mod
19:56 PilzAdam hm?
19:56 Jordach Calinou, mese waxing strips
19:56 Jordach but they require minetest_game pull 169 ;)
19:57 ShadowNinja VanessaE: You should add it to your server.
19:57 [0gb_us] Okay, so dedicated graphics cards are bad?
19:57 Calinou [0gb_us], yeah
19:57 [0gb_us] Okay. Got it.
19:57 Calinou what games do you want to play, anyway?
19:57 Jordach > Minetest
19:57 Jordach > Huge strainer of Lappies
19:57 Calinou Jordach, no, I'd bet on minecraft
19:57 Jordach </pwnage>
19:57 Calinou :-)
19:58 [0gb_us] One I bought but don't yet have the resources to play is Tiny and Big in Grandpa's Leftovers. It's stated to be very resource intensive, but I got it as part of a bundle. I'd like to be able to try it.
19:59 Jordach Calinou, if i bought a few dedicated BTC mining machines you can have some
19:59 [0gb_us] Minecraft? What about Minecraft? Minetest has major issues, but Minecraft is beyond redeemable.
19:59 Jordach (Actual BTC)
19:59 Calinou meh, no :>
19:59 Jordach one BTC = 80 Euro
19:59 Calinou [0gb_us], oh
19:59 Calinou Jordach, thought it was 12 euros
20:00 Jordach its actually pricey over here
20:00 * Calinou takes 5.5 BTC and buys a 770 with that
20:00 Calinou too bad you can't buy directly with BTC :P
20:00 Jordach how awesome shopping could be if we used bitcoin
20:00 Jordach no BTC, no product
20:00 Jordach you make an order: it waits until paid off
20:01 [0gb_us] The Humble Bundle sells using Bitcoins as a payment option.
20:01 Jordach Calinou, 5600BTC if i have a longer beard than you
20:01 Jordach <- shouldnt be betting BTC
20:02 KikaRz Guys, it's normal, at 1280x768, when I put my mouse out of screen, it slides?
20:02 khonkhortisan it is normal vs is it normal
20:02 KikaRz ...
20:02 KikaRz but is it or not?
20:03 khonkhortisan sorta
20:03 KikaRz khonkhortisan, you have teamviewer?
20:03 KikaRz i want to show you '-'
20:03 khonkhortisan You can move your mouse out of the screen in the time it takes minetest to read the distance it moved and recenter
20:03 PilzAdam MinetestBot, Y U NO OP?
20:03 khonkhortisan !op MinetestBot
20:03 Jordach i shot MinetestBot's NickServ
20:03 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, op MinetestBot
20:04 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: op MinetestBot
20:04 PilzAdam ShadowBot, op MinetestBot
20:04 KikaRz lol.
20:04 KikaRz Cool...
20:04 KikaRz ShadowBot, op sfan5
20:04 KikaRz ShadowBot: op sfan5
20:05 KikaRz Not working :C
20:05 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: If you register with ShadowBot I can give you the #minetest,op capability.
20:05 PilzAdam and how do I do that?
20:05 KikaRz Registering '-'
20:05 ShadowNinja KikaRz: It ignores everyone but me when MinetestBot is around.
20:05 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: /msg ShadowBot help register
20:06 * khonkhortisan drops blue rice
20:06 Jordach does ShadowBot execute commands as python shell
20:06 ShadowNinja But you will have to send the cammands in a PM because of the ignore.
20:06 ShadowNinja No.
20:06 khonkhortisan eew they're spinning
20:06 Jordach commands*
20:07 KikaRz This (1 more message)
20:07 KikaRz lawl
20:08 KikaRz u_u'
20:08 KikaRz <KikaRz> op #minetest sfan5
20:08 KikaRz <ShadowBot> Error: You don't have the #minetest,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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20:09 KikaRz OldCoder... is it really you?
20:09 KikaRz *w*
20:10 thexyz "register with shadowbot"
20:10 thexyz oh fuck
20:10 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, op PilzAdam
20:10 PilzAdam damn
20:10 PilzAdam ShadowBot, op PilzAdam
20:11 KikaRz lawl
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20:12 KikaRz * Eliza... Eliza... Eliza...
20:12 KikaRz > Ahh.  Please continue...
20:12 fgro_ Vanessa?
20:12 thexyz I still think this idea with bots having OP status is very stupid
20:12 Calinou by the way, we could remove ChanServ
20:12 Calinou we don't need it
20:12 KikaRz VanessaE, she's seeing you.
20:12 Calinou we have enough idlers :)
20:12 KikaRz * Eliza... Eliza... Eliza...
20:12 KikaRz > Ahh.  Please continue...
20:13 fgro_ oh well soko idles here ...
20:13 KikaRz * Vanessa Ezekowitz
20:13 KikaRz > I see.
20:13 KikaRz To see the continue of this chat, Query me :)
20:14 KikaRz Or just do /msg KikaRz Lonely
20:14 fgro_ one question to the developers of minetest . can you confirm that the announcement part of the server needs to be revised?
20:14 khonkhortisan ChanServ MinetestBot ShadowBot NickServ
20:15 thexyz fgro_: why?
20:15 fgro_ because the announcement kills my firewall sessions
20:16 fgro_ i have a juniper device running and i was wondering why my device got red ... the problem is, the announcement server makes always a new session in a short time period
20:16 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/F5K2V0v.png
20:16 KikaRz I'll paste my talking show :)
20:16 Jordach all of this is hand built (i dont like WE(]
20:18 KikaRz http://pastebin.com/Hjpemu3v
20:18 KikaRz That's how I feel
20:18 fgro_ i guss there is a missiing quit udp session command
20:18 KikaRz * Me
20:18 KikaRz > Eliza
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20:19 fgro_ lets say, the firewall can handle 8000 sessions ... as i was reading the logs and saw 6000 sessions open i was a bit shoked
20:19 KikaRz Stupid computer.
20:19 KikaRz Human: 3 plus 100000000000000000000000000000 minus 2 times 10 divided by 10 times 1000
20:19 KikaRz MathBot: Yes, of course... 3 and 100000000000000000000000000000 minus 2 times 10 divided by 10 times 1000 is definately 1e+29
20:19 KikaRz 1e+29...
20:19 thexyz fgro_: I guess you should talk with proller about it
20:19 fgro_ and the session originated most from minetest master announcement server ip
20:20 thexyz fgro_: in #minetest-dev probably
20:20 fgro_ who is proller?
20:20 proller moo
20:20 fgro_ you
20:20 fgro_ ,-)
20:20 Calinou ^ missing eye
20:20 fgro_ O_o
20:21 fgro_ proller ... can we take over this theme?
20:21 KikaRz Big Chat about my Friendship... :(
20:21 KikaRz http://pastebin.com/Hjpemu3v
20:21 KikaRz http://pastebin.com/Hjpemu3v
20:21 proller maybe stupid firewall?
20:21 fgro_ hmmm juniper ssg20 device .... stupid?
20:22 fgro_ lmao
20:22 fgro_ i guess everyone should havea cisco device instead a simple juniper firewall
20:22 fgro_ its not a firewall problem
20:23 proller if no sesion on thexyz server - its your problem
20:23 Calinou lol, cisco
20:23 OldCoder KikaRz, Yes
20:23 Calinou fgro_, this would kill pron
20:24 OldCoder Last time I  checked I was myself
20:24 Calinou KikaRz, this is worse than most MLP fanfics
20:24 KikaRz OldCoder, you like my story?
20:24 Calinou :|
20:24 fgro_ give me an understanding what the announcement part exactly does, i think the annoucement server starts a new request and does not care about an exisiting session
20:24 KikaRz Calinou, you like my story?
20:24 OldCoder KikaRz, Reviewing... just got here
20:24 Calinou meh
20:24 OldCoder What story?
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20:24 proller fgro_, [probably] jiniper think about open connections. when they closed
20:25 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: It will ignore you in the channel, lemme give you the capagility.
20:25 KikaRz http://pastebin.com/Hjpemu3v
20:25 OldCoder R
20:25 Calinou E
20:25 proller fgro_, can you show info about sessions?
20:26 fgro_ i could show you a log extract of the alarm, but i guess this does not really help much
20:26 OldCoder KikaRz, It's a simple conversation. More of an interesting fragment than a full story. Call it a character sketch.
20:26 sfan5 good night
20:26 OldCoder sfan5, NIght
20:26 Calinou night
20:26 sfan5 :D
20:27 PilzAdam ShadowBot, op PilzAdam
20:27 fgro_ furthermore i like o understand why the sessions (old ones) kept open, while regular clients they connect to the server and disconnect terminates their session also
20:27 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: It will ignore you in the channel while MinetestBot is around.
20:27 PilzAdam ok
20:27 ShadowNinja Use a PM.
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20:28 ShadowNinja (It avoids conflicts with MinetestBot resulting in duplicated responses)
20:28 proller fgro_, show src-dst ports
20:28 proller 3-5
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20:30 fgro_ hm is this command be used by cisco?
20:30 KikaRz OldCoder, this bot can see what I feel
20:34 OldCoder KikaRz, hm?
20:34 fgro_ so i have he debug flow
20:34 fgro_ what you like to see
20:34 proller flow 8)
20:35 fgro_ whats behind flow 8
20:35 proller 8) == 8-)
20:36 proller show something
20:36 fgro_ flow session id 7342
20:36 fgro_ flow_main_body_vector in ifp bgroup0 out ifp N/A
20:36 fgro_ flow vector index 0x1, vector addr 0x20f6a18, orig vector 0x20f6a18
20:36 fgro_ post addr xlation: 80.152.199.113->176.9.122.10.
20:36 fgro_ send out through normal path
20:36 fgro_ flow_ip_send: 0000:80.152.199.113->176.9.122.10,17 => ethernet0/0(47) flag 0x0, vlan 0
20:37 KikaRz what OldCoder ?
20:37 OldCoder I wasn't clear about how the bot knows what you feel
20:37 proller fgro_, its tcp or udp?
20:37 proller jr icmp
20:37 proller or
20:38 fgro_ this is ud
20:38 fgro_ udp, forwarding udp 30000
20:39 * Calinou awards xavier108 "most useless advice" prize
20:39 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=94390#p94390
20:39 fgro_ flow session id 7966
20:40 proller udp session?
20:40 thexyz Calinou: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6238
20:41 fgro_ UDP src port: 0-65535, dst port: 30001-30001
20:41 fgro_ i dont forward tcp
20:41 fgro_ i forward udp ports to internal server
20:42 Calinou thexyz, ._.
20:42 proller try find something like session timeout
20:43 Calinou while we're about world creation, it would be nice if worlds were automagically named when they have no name
20:43 Calinou eg. world9770
20:43 Calinou 4 random numbers :p
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20:45 thexyz Calinou: come to think about it, why not generate random user names made from several words?
20:46 [0gb_us] 13:44:01: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from
20:46 [0gb_us] 13:44:01: ERROR[main]: /home/us_0gb/minetest-0.4.7/bin/../mods/irc/init.lua:
20:46 [0gb_us] 13:44:01: ERROR[main]: /home/us_0gb/minetest-0.4.7/bin/../mods/irc/init.lua:31: module 'irc' not found:
20:46 [0gb_us] 13:44:01: ERROR[main]: no field package.preload['irc']
20:46 [0gb_us] 13:44:01: ERROR[main]: no file '/home/us_0gb/minetest-0.4.7/bin/../mods/irc/irc/init.lua'
20:47 [0gb_us] was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like ix.io or pastebin.ubuntu.com.
20:47 Calinou http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?81238-Xonotic-0-7-Has-New-Compiler-Game-Features&amp;p=335643#post335643
20:47 Calinou \o/
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20:48 Calinou thexyz, no sarcasm please
20:48 Calinou the thing I suggested is serious, and would be useful to some modders
20:49 thexyz that's no sarcasm though
20:49 thexyz guess it's just a bad idea then
20:49 fgro_ nothing found
20:50 Calinou ah, I read it as sarcasm
20:51 Calinou would be funny :P
20:51 Exio [16:38:46] <[0gb_us]> The hardware isn't set up for normal operating systems. In both hardware and software, it's built as only a web browser.
20:52 Exio why not
20:54 Calinou it is
20:54 Calinou but that's 0gb_us reasoning
20:54 Calinou conspiracy theory :P
21:02 KikaRz Should I start making one mod that contains 20 blocks?
21:02 KikaRz well, I got one idea for a mod
21:02 KikaRz :)
21:03 KikaRz well, contains quite more than 20 blocks
21:03 KikaRz maybe... 40 blocks... 20 colors, 40 mixtures.
21:03 KikaRz 20 colors, 20 mixtures
21:04 fgro_ joined #minetest
21:05 Calinou 20 blocks of what?
21:05 KikaRz secret.
21:05 arsdragonfly joined #minetest
21:05 KikaRz well... it must cost a bit of media...
21:05 KikaRz not too much '-'
21:05 PilzAdam KikaRz, I have the feeling that you see this channel as your diary
21:05 PilzAdam well, it isnt
21:06 KikaRz Yes it is.
21:06 KikaRz Not only imine
21:06 KikaRz everyone's diary.
21:06 Calinou it also is MinetestBot's diary, PilzAdam
21:06 KikaRz Yea Pilz.
21:06 Calinou night
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21:07 KikaRz VanessaE <e3
21:07 fgro_ proller: didnt find anything which indicates to be a dropping session or bad session
21:09 KikaRz I hate WiNE NOW!
21:09 KikaRz he uncontrols my monitor :(
21:10 proller fgro_, udp is packets, session from udp is only in mind of your firewall
21:11 fgro_ question, do i need to give the session a timeout (default its set to 0 )
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21:12 KikaRz Setting up my GitHub
21:13 fgro_ i mean i could add a timeout for the udp protocol
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21:16 KikaRz Guys, what license I should use for a mod?
21:17 PilzAdam All rights reserverd.
21:17 Warr1024 WTFPL seems to be quite popular
21:17 KikaRz well, I want one simple...
21:17 KikaRz to my future mod
21:17 mitori PilzAdam, did you hear new sounds?
21:17 Warr1024 MIT and ISC are also pretty nice for code.
21:18 PilzAdam mitori, ... no?
21:18 mitori i must have messed up with commiting them
21:18 mitori but anyway
21:18 KikaRz I really should need to add LICENSE.md to github?
21:18 mitori my fork of minetest_game
21:19 mitori i used your advice
21:19 mitori check it out
21:19 mitori i didn't change the gravel
21:19 Warr1024 KikaRz: just a plain-text LICENSE file is also common.  LICENSE.md is a githubism...
21:19 fgro_ proller: thiw would mean, the firewall has session cache turned on, if you say so
21:19 PilzAdam you are mito551 on github?
21:19 mitori yes
21:19 PilzAdam you dont have a fork of minetest_game
21:19 mitori what,
21:19 mitori what.
21:19 PilzAdam https://github.com/mito551?tab=repositories
21:20 fgro_ proller: but i dont have session cache turned on, i set the default value (1 minute) for session timeout. dont think that this would solve it, but i could try it for next 24 hours
21:20 mitori ok
21:20 mitori i'll add this and tell you, ok?
21:20 PilzAdam sure
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21:21 KikaRz and what's .gitignore?
21:21 PilzAdam KikaRz, -> #git
21:21 * VanessaE sighs
21:21 Uberi KikaRz: a file listing patterns of paths to ignore
21:22 Uberi (for Git, of course)
21:22 VanessaE hi all
21:22 Uberi hey VanessaE
21:22 Warr1024 hi VanessaE
21:22 * VanessaE just lost an argument with an old motherboard :(
21:22 Warr1024 KikaRz: doesn't github have some help pages on this stuff?
21:22 PilzAdam Warr1024, problem is: KikaRz cant read manuals
21:22 Uberi VanessaE: send it to bed without dinner!
21:23 KikaRz IDK
21:23 KikaRz PilzAdam, shut up.
21:23 VanessaE Uberi: I just sent it into a plastic bag to be deposited into the nearest trash bin :-/
21:23 VanessaE (I was gonna move my MT server to it)
21:23 Uberi a real disciplinarian, you are
21:25 mitori PilzAdam, should i do a pull request? or it's fine to leave it as it is
21:25 PilzAdam mitori, just point me to the commit
21:26 mitori https://github.com/mito551/minetest_game/commit/2ee54a415c18d9364cfbf683a74897c719a3e78f
21:27 Uberi PilzAdam: would you say it's a good time to change over to the new scriptapi stuff for established mods? I mean the minetest.env -> minetest. stuff
21:29 thexyz we should update the wiki as well
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21:31 PilzAdam Uberi, I will upgrade my mods soon
21:31 PilzAdam but only the ones that are incompatible with 0.4.6
21:32 Uberi so the old way will be supported for the forseeable future, yes?
21:32 PilzAdam it will be supported like forever
21:32 Uberi awesome
21:32 PilzAdam mitori, wow! aweseome! definitely better
21:33 mitori thank you
21:33 Warr1024 is there some kind of "minimum minetest version required" feature in the script api anywhere?
21:33 mitori will you add this? I have done a pull request
21:33 PilzAdam yes, I am willing to merge them
21:33 Uberi yes, but you need to code it yourself
21:33 Uberi Warr1024: minetest.get_version(), I believe
21:33 Warr1024 ah, I see
21:34 mitori PilzAdam you can't imagine how happy i am to hear (read) this :D
21:35 PilzAdam two little suggestions, thoug: 1) there is one dig_crumbly that is higher than the others; make it a bit less high 2) the place_node sounds seem to fit best for crumbly nodes; maybe create a different for hard nodes? again, this are _minor_ suggestions; you dont have to change it
21:36 Uberi I love the choppy dig sounds
21:37 mitori "maybe create a different for hard nodes" how would I do that
21:38 mitori in terms of code
21:39 PilzAdam table.dug = table.dug or {name="default_dug_node_hard", gain=1.0} in default.node_sound_stone_defaults() and wood_defaults()
21:39 mitori ...
21:39 mitori where do I find it?
21:39 PilzAdam functions.lua in default/
21:40 mitori so that's more about your stuff
21:40 PilzAdam hm?
21:40 NakedFury I have been adding new sounds for my version but I dont know how to add diferent sounds for the different type of stairs since they are not done in a normal way
21:40 mitori i mean that it's up to you to modify it
21:41 PilzAdam you can modfiy that in your commit, of course
21:41 mitori it's not minetest_game, is it?
21:41 PilzAdam it is
21:41 mitori ohhhhh. alright. sorry. my bad
21:41 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/functions.lua#L18
21:42 mitori i already did the first suggestion :D
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21:43 PilzAdam also, dirt has no walking sound currently (line 28), you can create one if you want
21:44 NakedFury How would you go about adding wood and dirt walking sounds when going on their slabs and stair versions?
21:44 PilzAdam NakedFury, stairs/init.lua line 210 <- is that what you mean?
21:45 NakedFury I mean the way the are done in stairs plus
21:45 PilzAdam I dont know about stairs plus, sry
21:45 NakedFury its no a simple register_node for each version
21:46 PilzAdam in minetest_game you pass a sound table to register_stair_and_slab()
21:46 mitori well, you could just define a new table
21:46 NakedFury im not very good at it
21:47 PilzAdam <mitori> i already did the first suggestion :D <- can you commit?
21:47 NakedFury I found good sounds here: http://www.freesound.org/ then I just cut them into parts to be played
21:49 mitori i'm already finished with the second, so it'll all be there in a minute
21:49 PilzAdam nice!
21:50 mitori seems like it's done
21:50 mitori i commited it in my fork and there is a pull request
21:50 PilzAdam yep, got it
21:51 PilzAdam do you agree decreasing the gain of gravel to 0.2?
21:51 PilzAdam *of gravel footsteps
21:52 mitori yeah, a sec.
21:52 PilzAdam I have already done it
21:53 mitori oh ok
21:53 mitori sure :D
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21:56 PilzAdam hmmm.. isnt the place_hard a bit too gravel-ish?
21:58 mitori the second one?
21:59 PilzAdam both, I would expect them to be more "clean" like the dig_cracky
22:00 mitori oh okay. it was a lot of... changing the original sound. be right there
22:00 mitori but i agree with you on that one :D
22:03 PilzAdam the license is WTFPL?
22:04 Uberi uh, is anyone else having trouble connecting to the forums?
22:04 Uberi pings are timing out too
22:04 PilzAdam Uberi, nope
22:05 Uberi hmm, that's strange
22:12 mitori which license does "do whatever the fuck you want as long as you give me (at least some kind of) credit?"
22:12 PilzAdam CC BY-SA
22:14 mitori that's what I thought.
22:15 bdjnk Why include SA
22:15 bdjnk ?
22:15 bdjnk That's not do whatever you want...
22:15 FreeFull Or some variant of the BSD license
22:16 mitori well, i like cc. and SA sounds nice
22:16 mitori so, CC BY-SA. i don't mind deviations ;)
22:17 PilzAdam bdjnk, that would allow others to re-share it as a different license, so a 3rd person doesnt have to give credit to mitori
22:17 mitori oh wow. thank you. i'm commiting all the changes right now.
22:19 bdjnk Well, maybe I don't get how it works. I just read the simple page http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en_US
22:19 bdjnk But I'm no lawyer.
22:19 PilzAdam I am neither
22:20 Uberi for Minetest, you are best off with anything up to a NC sharealike
22:21 mitori bdjnk look, if i go with just CC BY that means I
22:21 PilzAdam well, to get it in minetest_game CC BY-SA is the highest possible
22:22 bdjnk Highest possible?
22:22 mitori that means that it would be distributed once with attribution to me. but then, someone may change the license of some kind of deviations, which would no longer point to me
22:22 Uberi it's GPL isn't it? sharealike and nc is already part of the GPL
22:23 PilzAdam Uberi, first of all, Minetests code is LGPL; Minetests media is CC BY-SA, and -ND is not compatible with that one
22:23 mitori and SA forbids to distribute it with other licenses.
22:23 Uberi ah, LGPL
22:23 mitori alright guys. PilzAdam, waiting to see my commit, bdjnk, good luck with figuring that stuff out. good night, all
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22:24 PilzAdam and LGPL allows it to use the program in a commercial sowtware, as long as its linked as a seperate libary
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22:31 PilzAdam mitori, I made the place_hard sounds a bit louder
22:32 PilzAdam VanessaE (and others), can you test https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/sounds_mito2 ?
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22:53 VanessaE PilzAdam: no, way too quiet now
22:54 VanessaE and the walking sound sounds like someone's rubbing something on the microphone
22:54 VanessaE all the other sounds such as sheep are LOOOOUUUUDDD by comparison
22:54 VanessaE did you remember to normalize your audio files to -3dB first?
22:56 PilzAdam how do you do that in audacity?
22:56 VanessaE diggin at leaves sounds like "tshh tssh tssh" sometimes, and other times it sounds like something tapping at a piece of wood in a large room
22:56 VanessaE in the Effects menu, "Normalize"
22:57 VanessaE digging stone sounds like a drum beat almost
22:57 VanessaE (the "you just dug it" sound I mean)
22:58 PilzAdam is there any way to do this all at once for all the files?
22:58 VanessaE not sure, but I don't think so
22:59 VanessaE digging sand just sounds way wrong now (the same sound as leaves)
23:00 VanessaE ditto for gravel
23:00 VanessaE gravel sounds terrible
23:00 VanessaE put the old sound back for that one, it was perfect
23:01 VanessaE the sound you're using for grass now would probably work well for snow, however
23:01 khonkhortisan What is it that makes a plant diggable, placable, and able to have something placed in the same spot as it?
23:02 VanessaE buildable_to
23:02 khonkhortisan ah, and selectable?
23:02 Exio pointable_to
23:02 khonkhortisan oh
23:02 Exio iirc :P
23:02 VanessaE walking on stone sounds too repetitive.
23:06 VanessaE wood should definitely have a different sound than stone
23:07 VanessaE imho sounds should not be based on whether the material is hard, or has a particular digging propertt.
23:07 VanessaE property*
23:07 VanessaE they need to be based on the actual material being discussed
23:07 VanessaE hitting something soft with a steel pick, for example, should make a fairly soft sound, but if I break stone, I should hear the 'ring' of the metal in the pick
23:09 VanessaE (well not ring, but surely some kind of metallic sound)
23:13 VanessaE Exio: pointable I think (not _to)
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23:14 VanessaE digging at a tree seems fine though
23:18 PilzAdam VanessaE, pull again
23:18 PilzAdam normalized all sounds to -3dB
23:21 VanessaE walking on stone is silent now
23:22 PilzAdam I guess the grass walking is too loud
23:22 VanessaE oh wait, it's there
23:22 VanessaE just really quiet
23:22 VanessaE no, the loudness there is right
23:22 VanessaE stone is too quiet
23:22 VanessaE check your in-game gain settings
23:24 PilzAdam try changing all default_hard_footstep to gain=0.5 in default/functions.lua
23:24 VanessaE line 21?
23:24 VanessaE oh wait, all of the,
23:24 VanessaE them*
23:25 VanessaE changed.  testing
23:25 PilzAdam and change gravel to gain=0.5 too, (search for default_gravel_footstep, its in 2 different files)
23:26 VanessaE stone sounds loud enough now.
23:26 VanessaE ok, lemme see about the gravel
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23:29 VanessaE gravel could be just a touch louder
23:29 PilzAdam it doesnt sound so good if its louder
23:30 VanessaE walking on stone/wood/grass, and digging trees/leaves/wood/gravel/stone seem well-enough balanced
23:30 VanessaE one thing that's too loud - too much *bass* that is - is the "you just dug that item" sound
23:31 VanessaE (the sound when the node disappears)
23:31 PilzAdam yea, also the dig_cracky could be a bit more like place_hard
23:31 VanessaE actually the walking-on-grass sound has too much bass also
23:33 VanessaE the placing sounds seem fine
23:33 VanessaE leaves lack a "you just dug that" sound (wtf is the right term?)
23:34 PilzAdam dug_node
23:34 VanessaE right
23:34 PilzAdam sand and leaves dont have that sound
23:34 VanessaE I don't do enough in-game sound work to remember :)
23:34 VanessaE yeah, sand needs something
23:34 VanessaE hm, now I have to re-do the sounds for pipeworks.  dammit :)
23:35 PilzAdam how about removing the dug_node sound?
23:35 VanessaE naw, just tune it
23:35 khonkhortisan If you do add luacontrollers, please add digilines with it
23:35 VanessaE it adds depth to the game.
23:36 VanessaE khonkhortisan: are they safe?
23:37 PilzAdam VanessaE, well, I joined your server yesterday to crash it with Lua controllers :-p
23:37 VanessaE did you succeed? :D
23:37 VanessaE oh WITH
23:37 VanessaE heh
23:37 VanessaE (in which case you failed :D )
23:37 Exio /report PilzAdam griefer
23:37 Exio ;P
23:39 VanessaE khonkhortisan: luacontrollers re-enabled, digilines added.  they'll become available at the next restart.
23:39 PilzAdam VanessaE, force pull the branch again
23:39 VanessaE ok
23:39 PilzAdam all volumes are adjusted now
23:40 PilzAdam so, TODO: 1) adjust dug_node 2) make dig_cracky more "hitting" (like place_hard)
23:40 khonkhortisan ok
23:41 VanessaE checking.
23:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, the grass_footstep sound is actually pretty good, you need to get used to it
23:42 PilzAdam but a bit less bass would be good, I guess
23:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: at least add a few more sounds to the rotation
23:42 VanessaE I only hear three, it needs a lot more
23:43 PilzAdam can you do all this?
23:43 VanessaE not really :)
23:43 VanessaE now, which one is used while digging sand?
23:44 PilzAdam dig_crumbly
23:44 VanessaE ok
23:44 VanessaE get rid of tapping sound
23:44 VanessaE it sounds *way* out of place while digging sand
23:44 VanessaE the other sound is okay though
23:44 PilzAdam what does "tapping sound" mean?
23:44 PilzAdam the high one?
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23:45 VanessaE there's a "chish chish chish" sound, and a "tak tak tak" sound
23:45 VanessaE get rid of the latter.
23:45 VanessaE hard to describe them :D
23:46 PilzAdam so, rm default_dig_choppy.2.ogg
23:46 VanessaE no
23:46 VanessaE mods/default/sounds/default_dig_crumbly.1.ogg
23:46 VanessaE that one.
23:47 VanessaE or use it for something else, say digging at bricks.
23:48 PilzAdam I would say both dig_crumbly sounds fit, they just dont fit together
23:48 VanessaE not when digging on sand anyway :D
23:48 PilzAdam and I would actually prefer 2.ogg
23:49 PilzAdam you dig dirt with it too
23:49 VanessaE 2 on sand and dirt is fine
23:49 VanessaE 1 on either of those sounds entirely wrong
23:49 PilzAdam ahhh, I mean .1
23:49 VanessaE ditto for gravel
23:49 khonkhortisan http://postimg.org/image/yutqtfczb/
23:50 PilzAdam .2 is too high for me
23:50 VanessaE default_dig_crumbly.1.ogg  is way wrong for any of those three materials at all.
23:50 VanessaE .2. is far more appropriate
23:50 khonkhortisan there isn't a clean join for those wires
23:51 PilzAdam VanessaE, repull
23:51 VanessaE khonkhortisan:  those vertical bases are electrically conductive sideways
23:51 VanessaE you're connecting all your buttons together
23:51 khonkhortisan ik
23:53 * PilzAdam has to bother mitori with the sounds again tomorrow...
23:53 VanessaE pulled, checking
23:54 VanessaE better.
23:54 VanessaE now, bricks.  That 'tak tak tak' sound of .1.ogg, use it for digging bricks
23:55 PilzAdam wut?
23:55 VanessaE apply default_dig_crumbly.1.ogg (the one you just removed from sand/gravel) to digging on brick blocks.
23:55 PilzAdam bricks use the normal dig_cracky
23:56 VanessaE the sound you're using for that sounds like knocking on a wooden door
23:56 VanessaE entirely wrong for digging on something like brick
23:56 PilzAdam yes, I wanted to ask mitori to change it to be more "hitting" like the place_hard sound
23:56 VanessaE youcan't just use sound categories, you'll have to use a few sounds that are specific to certain materials.
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