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00:03 kaeza Uberi, what's the license for Mesecons? can't find anything in readme, and there's no LICENSE file :/
00:04 Uberi kaeza: one moment
00:07 Uberi kaeza: LGPL code, CC-BY-SA textures
00:07 Uberi source: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=628
00:08 kaeza ah thanks!
00:09 Uberi no problem :)
00:09 * kaeza will steal a bit of pressure plates code
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00:11 Jordach hey all
00:11 kaeza hey Jordach
00:11 Jordach hey kaeza
00:11 Jordach its a saturday, so im usually up this late
00:11 Uberi o/ Jordach
00:12 Jordach hey Uberi
00:12 Jordach i cant even sleep right anymore
00:12 Uberi try joining the fight club
00:12 Jordach Uberi, its 1:12am
00:13 Uberi yeah that's my weekend bedtime usually too
00:13 Uberi feels wonderful until you have to get up at 7:35 AM the next day
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00:15 Jordach Uberi, i have insecurities
00:16 Jordach mainly nightmares of late
00:16 Uberi oh? any reason for those?
00:23 Jordach Uberi, a lot has changed in my house over the past month
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00:37 thefamilygrog66 hey!
00:38 Uberi oi
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01:30 tjbarber Where can I find the fire mod? Having a hard time. XD
01:30 Uberi it's built into Minetest now
01:30 xiong I'm coming to realize I picked a very poor site for my first mine. I worked hard down to 50 with little to show for it besides coal and iron... and not so much of that. With some effort I built a sapling farm on 50 in anticipation of going deeper and building a wood farm on, oh, maybe 100; at that time I had only built stairs, no ladders, and I wanted a forward base.
01:30 Uberi well it's part of minetest_game, at least
01:31 Uberi xiong: keep digging
01:31 Uberi at least 64 deep if you want any MESE at all
01:32 xiong Now I've widened my surface explorations and I've found extensive cavern systems at 10 and 20, some with rich veins of iron and copper; some crammed with coal. These require almost no digging; I just light them up and throw a few stairs in.
01:33 xiong Yes, Uberi, I realize I need to go much deeper eventually. But it's a logistics issue, even though I misjudged it at first.
01:33 tjbarber ah Uberi thanks. I'm trying to set up the firearms mod in the OS X port
01:34 xiong I'm sure I don't need to tell gramma how to suck eggs.
01:34 Uberi cool
01:35 tjbarber so awesome
01:36 xiong I'm only coming in now to complain loudly (not for any practical purpose) about my bad fortune and my poor judgement in picking a barren location for my first mine... and in sticking with it so long, when much more productive stuff was and is much easier to get at.
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01:37 xiong Right now I'm on 20, in a cave positively reeking with minerals. It will take me days to mine it all out, never going below 20.
01:37 Uberi what about diamonds and other ones that only appear really deep?
01:37 xiong No, it's not mese, it's not gold; but otoh it's not lava either. No effort required. And this will give me plenty of bronze tools with which to make a serious descent.
01:39 xiong The game is coming into focus for me; there's a core set of tech needed, basically bronze tools, tree farms, and furnace/chest camps.
01:40 Uberi what mods are you using?
01:40 xiong I busted into my first lava cavern this weekend and did not handle it well. Dunno even what can be done.
01:40 xiong No mods.
01:40 thefamilygrog66 don't forget lava lamps, xiong...
01:40 xiong ?
01:40 Uberi xiong: use water buckets to rapidly clear out lava lakes
01:40 thefamilygrog66 oh, no mods - never mind
01:41 xiong I have some sketchy lava plans but unsure how to proceed. Not asking for help yet, thanks.
01:41 thefamilygrog66 yeah, water and lava create stone/cobble
01:41 xiong Yeh right. I had exactly two water buckets with me at the time; I lost one and stupidly tried to get it back.
01:41 thefamilygrog66 d'oh
01:42 xiong This was not a lava lake so much as a lava cascade -- not a mere, erm, lavafall but a torrent.
01:42 xiong Probably should have looked at it, posted a sign, and gone back for many more buckets... or left it.
01:43 xiong My plan is to return eventually, use the GPS to find out exactly where it is, then go to the surface and work down to the top. I think I'm correct in thinking I'll hit lava source that way.
01:43 Uberi gps?
01:43 xiong F5. Somebody finally tipped me.
01:44 xiong Yet another undocumented feature. Highly useful. I employed it to join up a couple of my major workings... in the process of which I hit the lava.
01:45 Uberi oh the debug display
01:45 xiong The payoff being that instead of twisty turny passages, all different; I have straight tunnels and ladders going in useful directions.
01:46 xiong Now I can see the grand design more clearly: A grid of tunnels and ladders at predictable depths along which I can move myself and my goods from one place to another and access various workings.
01:47 xiong Meanwhile I've decided, for entertainment, to build a glass and brick house. Castle Xiong, the little stone cottage, is starting to seem... mean.
01:48 Uberi pfft, stone turrets and gothic spires all the way
01:48 xiong I'm having far too much of a good time.
01:50 kaeza next step: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/minetest/screens/octuteam/screenshot_1273302628.jpg
01:50 xiong I'm hoping to avoid boring cliche. I can imagine the path of least resistance: The huge pile of stone, preferably with crenelations and giant wooden pillars. Meh.
01:51 Uberi modern house with obsidian glass windows and iron block walls
01:51 xiong Pokemine???
01:52 xiong Actually, maybe I should abandon this singleplayer world before I go further. I'm not interested in fighting people; is there such a thing as a peaceful server?
01:53 kaeza yes
01:53 kaeza try VanessaE's one
01:53 xiong Um, specify, no really wacky mods.
01:55 xiong Ah, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4057
01:55 xiong I realize others will have different views but I don't see this as serious play.
01:56 xiong I tend to play all games at 'hard'.
01:58 Uberi yes some mods make the game harder, some easier
01:58 thefamilygrog66 xiong, search the keyword "vanilla" in the servers forum
01:58 Uberi such as the Mobs mod
01:58 xiong thefamilygrog66, Won't that mean no mods at all?
01:58 thefamilygrog66 exactly
01:59 xiong Um, the way I understand it, the core game is not complete; mods are expected.
01:59 Exio survival player eh?
01:59 Exio i just love a survival-gameplay
01:59 xiong I just don't know which mods might constitute a reasonable set... for some value of 'reasonable'.
01:59 Uberi xiong: yes, you have to choose those for yourself
02:00 xiong I want mobs to fight, farms, a bit more tech.
02:00 xiong ?
02:00 thefamilygrog66 ahh, gotcha'
02:00 xiong Surely mods are a function of the server?
02:00 thefamilygrog66 yes
02:00 Exio mesecons, technic, mobf/simple-mobs, and farming_plus (as farming now is upstramed)
02:01 Uberi xiong: for mobs, Simple Mobs (or mobf if you want), Farming is built in in recent versions, tech is Mesecons and technic
02:01 Uberi wait whatever Exio said <_<
02:01 thefamilygrog66 hehe
02:01 Exio :D
02:01 Exio what-i-said-with-explications = what uberi said
02:02 Uberi I personally can't do without WorldEdit, but then again you did say you prefer survival
02:02 xiong Right.
02:03 Uberi Mesecons has digital logic, it doesn't make the game much easier but it does give Mese a ton of good uses
02:03 Uberi plus it's a lot of fun, you can build anything from music players to 3D printers
02:03 thefamilygrog66 xiong, careful though, unless the server is like mine (i.e. with all the monster mobs spawning above ground only at night), there will be nasty monsters randomly placed in the caves where you're mining
02:03 Exio 3d printers?
02:03 Uberi Exio: didn't you see my 3D printer entry to the competition? :P
02:03 Exio print a 3d-printer with a 3d-printer >:D
02:03 Uberi :O
02:04 Exio and then print other with it
02:04 Exio 3dprinterception!
02:04 Uberi Exio: unfortunately it can only print smaller 3D printers
02:04 xiong Okay, I will have to push beyond 0.4.6 then. I'm way too conservative a guy to just blindly install nightly; and I'm unlikely to recompile frequently -- rather avoid make/build if I can. Is there any sane point past 0.4.6?
02:04 Exio aww
02:05 Uberi xiong: the latest git is generally more stable and featureful than the "stable" version
02:05 xiong thefamilygrog66, I *expect* nasty mobs as I dig deep. Been quite a disappointment to find none in the base game.
02:05 Exio and the git has less memory leaks, more features, etc
02:05 thefamilygrog66 ahh, cool. there used to be, back in 0.3 days, I believe
02:06 xiong Don't want to start a fight over that, Uberi. But you know, every dev team says they're really good about it. No offense intended.
02:06 Uberi yeah I had a rat farm back in those days :)
02:06 Uberi xiong: of course, it's your choice :P
02:06 thefamilygrog66 reminds me of the rat milk episode from the simpsons, Uberi...
02:06 xiong I've been engineering virtually all my life; I've come to be... let's not say mistrustful but extremely cautious.
02:07 Exio https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits
02:07 xiong Forget about buggy software; I've had hardware blow up on me.
02:07 thefamilygrog66 ack
02:07 Uberi xiong: oh? batteries?
02:07 xiong Well, to be fair, most of the hardware failures I've had have been in machines I was building. ;)
02:08 Uberi xiong: in any case I'd recommend Simple Mobs, you'll love battling with the dungeon masters underground
02:08 Exio "Bugfix" "Fixed" "Better prediction" "Fix saving of settings" "Fix memory leaks" "New progress bar on-loading" "Fixed mem leaks" "Fix" "Fix"
02:08 xiong Well, I'm happy to hear opinions but I'm thinking I should pick a server and stick with it.
02:09 Exio :D
02:09 Uberi xiong: got any ones in mind at the moment?
02:10 xiong No; hence my blather.
02:10 xiong Looking now at the forum list.
02:10 Uberi have you checked the official list?
02:10 xiong http://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=10
02:11 xiong ?
02:11 Uberi you might like 5.175.144.3:30001, simple mobs with mostly vanilla survival
02:11 Uberi xiong: http://servers.minetest.net/
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02:12 * xiong sees
02:12 Uberi it's a very barebones page, it actually shows up in the Multiplayer tab of your minetest game
02:13 Exio that page is "cool-ed" in the main page
02:13 Exio in the Servers sections
02:13 xiong So it does.
02:13 Exio it just gets that info with JS and shows it in a cool(tm) way
02:13 Uberi oh yeah http://minetest.net/servers
02:14 xiong Having chosen, at least temporarily, a server; is there a standard way to get info on it? Which mods are installed, what are the server-op's rules?
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02:15 Exio the forum post i'd say
02:16 xiong http://jpappsvr01.dyndns.org/minetest/ -- "31 Players played on the main map since 26 May 2013." -- To me, not a good sign.
02:17 xiong Need to think hard about this.
02:18 Exio wut
02:20 thefamilygrog66 xiong, you can determine which mods are installed by typing /mods after logging into the server
02:21 thefamilygrog66 rules are usually posted on signs near spawns
02:24 Exio http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
02:25 Exio lol
02:26 thefamilygrog66 xiong - regarding the date mentioned on that site, keep in mind that it is in fact the 26th of May right now in many parts of the world...
02:27 Exio Sat May 25 23:27:00 ART 2013
02:27 Exio still 25 here ;P
02:28 thefamilygrog66 Exio, yes it's almost 10:30pm on the 25th here as well
02:28 Exio usa?
02:28 thefamilygrog66 but I'm in Canada, eh
02:29 thefamilygrog66 (note the appended "eh")
02:29 Exio well, "near TZs"
02:29 thefamilygrog66 ?
02:29 * Exio is argentinian ^^
02:29 Exio thefamilygrog66: near timezones
02:29 thefamilygrog66 ahh, gotcha
02:30 thefamilygrog66 Argentina must have nicer weather than here right now - it's been bloody cold the last few days
02:30 Exio haha
02:31 Exio it is pretty nice here
02:31 Exio 13.3C 90%~ humidity
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02:44 xiong Yes, I thought of that, thefamilygrog66. But the page in question uses the word 'since'.
02:44 xiong Either the date shown is in error or the author's command of the language is seriously weak.
02:45 thefamilygrog66 Or time is circular, as opposed to linear...
02:45 thefamilygrog66 :)
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02:45 xiong If one had a circular conception of time, one would not employ a Gregorian date.
02:45 Uberi xiong: or since the time of day
02:45 Uberi or perhaps the message is automatically generated
02:46 thefamilygrog66 I would guess it's automatically generated, yeah
02:46 xiong I agree that preindustrial society conceived of time as cyclic; linear time is an industrial concept.
02:46 Uberi more like a Stoicist concept
02:47 thefamilygrog66 At any rate, I just logged on and was the only player online - I'd guess the date is incorrect.
02:47 xiong Both concepts have deep roots but it is industry, with its demonstrated effect on society, that has forced the linear concept to dominate. It is impossible for one now to believe that one's sons can live as one's father did.
02:47 Uberi thefamilygrog66: I believe the count refers to the players that joined, in total
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02:48 Uberi what if the cycles are larger than a generation?
02:48 thefamilygrog66 That makes sense, though the wording is a little off.
02:48 Uberi say, why is fall_bobbing_amount disabled by default? it adds a lot of realism to player movement
02:49 xiong Not sure what point you're trying to make. The ancient model of time comprised many cycles of differing lengths.
02:49 Uberi what if the cycle lasted the entire span of the universe?
02:49 xiong Wheels within wheels.
02:49 Uberi of course, it would be impossible to tell from within the universe
02:51 xiong The cyclical concept denies the possibility of long-term change. The notion that the universe will end in a Big Crunch followed by another Big Bang (and, by implication, was preceded by another cycle, etc.) is atavistic, intellectual comfort food.
02:51 Uberi and why would that be? after all, conclusive proof can't be had either way
02:52 xiong Exactly.
02:53 xiong We all take teddy bears to bed; only the color of the fur is different.
02:54 tjbarber question: how do I get the XY values of my current location and how do I set my location using them?
02:54 Uberi tjbarber: in lua API or in game?
02:54 tjbarber Uberi in game.
02:55 Uberi tjbarber: use debug menu, get coords
02:55 Uberi use /teleport to go there
02:55 tjbarber let me see...
02:56 tjbarber ah thanks Uberi. Got it. ;)
02:57 Uberi no problem :)
03:00 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add license information (requested by kaeza). f9ce95154e 2013-05-25T19:59:40-07:00 http://git.io/P86nKw
03:00 kaeza lol
03:01 kaeza thanks :)
03:01 Uberi if you ask me, the readme needs a ton of improvements
03:01 Uberi but I am too lazy :P
03:02 kaeza yep :P
03:02 kaeza (both of them)
03:02 kaeza what is Mesecons?
03:03 Uberi O_o
03:03 kaeza I guess the readme should at least state that
03:03 Uberi well I might as well do it right now
03:04 Uberi and it needs better ASCII art too
03:04 kaeza :D
03:21 thefamilygrog66 kaeza: I made it so players can pick up sheep and drop them wherever they want on my server
03:22 thefamilygrog66 and can also turn off the deathtimer by right-clicking twice (making the wool grow back as well)
03:22 Uberi how d'ya like them apples? http://www.pasteall.org/42557
03:22 Uberi thefamilygrog66: wait deathtimer? what's that?
03:22 * Uberi is not that great at ASCII art
03:23 thefamilygrog66 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91746#p91746
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03:24 Uberi interesting
03:24 Uberi and wheat keeps them permanently alive right?
03:24 Uberi hey Kacey
03:25 thefamilygrog66 As you can see in the thread, PilzAdam added a similar thing, but more complex, depending on whether the player is in visible range, etc.
03:26 thefamilygrog66 the wheat is to tame them/lure them somewhere, but yeah also stops the lifetimer in PilzAdam's case
03:26 Uberi ah yes, very cool
03:26 Uberi definitely good for server lag too
03:26 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, they get outta control
03:27 thefamilygrog66 If my client is lagging when logging onto some servers that have mobs, you can see tonnes gather in caves
03:27 thefamilygrog66 that would take care of them nicely
03:27 Uberi oh that's just the ABM issue, it's really annoying
03:27 thefamilygrog66 give them a defined lifespan, says me
03:30 thefamilygrog66 as I mentioned, I've added code to allow the player to pick them up (instead of them dropping raw meat, they drop a sheep)
03:30 Uberi nice
03:31 thefamilygrog66 makes it so I can harvest a whole bunch of them and drop them on the wall of a cliff into water. It sounds really sadistic when I type it out, wow.
03:32 Uberi fun times
03:32 Uberi can we breed sheep yet?
03:32 thefamilygrog66 nope, they just spontaneously generate
03:33 sokomine pick the sheep up and place them in a fenced off region where you can feed them regulary. treat them carefully :-)
03:34 thefamilygrog66 I've done that as well sokomine, but the fence has to be at least three nodes high, or a lot bigger area so they can't jump off each others' back!
03:34 sokomine and if you care about babaric treatment of animals in such a world...think about minecraft. i saw a video where the animals got hit by the player, took fire and then died. it's pretty brutal...combined with child-like animals
03:34 sokomine :-)
03:35 sokomine guess real sheep wouldn't manage that way of escape :-)
03:35 thefamilygrog66 I made a pen, 2 nodes high, and went from around 15 to 6, very quickly
03:35 thefamilygrog66 goats might do that - they're jumpy
03:36 thefamilygrog66 sheep not so much
03:36 sokomine oh yes. i'd love to see goats. the area ought to be great for them! lots of hills to climb around
03:37 sokomine hope someone does a model eventually. also rabbits and squirrels would be fine. they're smaller animals and would appear more realistic than large animals (easier for them to change direction)
03:40 thefamilygrog66 rabbits especially move in that crazy, erratic fashion
03:40 thefamilygrog66 and squirrels as well, yeah
03:40 Exio i want frogs
03:43 Kacey SQUIRRELS!!!!!!!! lol i would never play the same again...
03:43 sokomine rabbits only when they're on the run. most of the time they sit around and eat
03:43 thefamilygrog66 true enough
03:44 Kacey sounds like my uncle...
03:44 thefamilygrog66 I should add a herobrine evil mob - my son would get a kick out of that
03:45 Kacey a slenderbrine...
03:45 sokomine :-) maybe you can make one special for him
03:45 sokomine in general, i'd love to see more animals roaming around (mobf based because there are more peaceful ones)
03:46 thefamilygrog66 it would be very easy - just use the 3d model for players, with a skin from teh internet
03:47 Exio use the wieldmesh_model
03:47 Exio but instead of a tool
03:47 Exio a red knife
03:47 Exio and make it walk behind you :D
03:47 Kacey makea slender game mode lol
03:47 thefamilygrog66 I just have the five 3D monsters spawning at nightfall on the surface (grass, trees, desert, beach), and they all die by water and sunlight, in addition to players killing them
03:48 thefamilygrog66 and also after 10 minutes, if night lasts that long
04:11 khonkhortisan ooh slenderbrine
04:11 khonkhortisan Assertion '!m_mesh_update_thread.IsRunning()' failed.
04:12 khonkhortisan I'd like to see visible wielded items in minetest by default
04:15 * VanessaE is back
04:16 VanessaE khonkhortisan: as would I.
04:16 Kacey wb v
04:16 VanessaE khonkhortisan: I get that crash from time to time also.
04:17 khonkhortisan VanessaE is multi-threaded, processing each statement separately and possibly answering them out-of-order.
04:17 VanessaE heh
04:20 Exio at least the multithreading is in the answers and not in writing it
04:20 Exio :P
04:20 Exio hi VanessaE!
04:20 VanessaE that would get....confusing. :-)
04:21 Kacey what would a good funny coding reference be for a gamertag on xbox live?
04:21 khonkhortisan reminds me of yoda
04:21 VanessaE New build: efc75db7[...]
04:21 VanessaE Kacey: something involving the 'red ring of death'
04:21 khonkhortisan .#.
04:21 khonkhortisan ..#
04:21 khonkhortisan ###
04:21 VanessaE khonkhortisan: wrong kind of 'live'.
04:22 Kacey VanessaE, lol that is going in my bio
04:22 * VanessaE recognizes the glider pattern :)
04:22 VanessaE Kacey: the red ring of death is a crash of the xbox hardware or some such, potentially fatal to the machine.
04:23 VanessaE symbolized by a lit, red ring around the power button
04:23 kaeza xboner?
04:23 khonkhortisan had to image search it http://www.civin.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/red-ring-of-death-04.jpg
04:25 Kacey i know what it is. i have fixed it 4 times already
04:26 Kacey but something like "LostVariable" or something funny
04:30 kaeza 0xCAFEBABE
04:31 kaeza ^ Java class file signature
04:31 VanessaE 0x600DF00D
04:31 VanessaE :)
04:31 kaeza you always thinking about that :|
04:31 VanessaE (don't mind me, just bored)
04:32 khonkhortisan 0x0LLEH
04:32 khonkhortisan ^ invalid address
04:32 kaeza wat
04:32 kaeza lol
04:32 VanessaE khonkhortisan: nonono.  0x7734
04:32 khonkhortisan more of a calculator joke  than memory addresses
04:32 khonkhortisan 0x5355378
04:33 kaeza 81680085 :D
04:33 * kaeza hides
04:33 khonkhortisan I was trying to read that backwards 58008618
04:34 Kacey HAHAHA!
04:36 Exio wut
04:38 Exio good, i need to download 10 mb of crap
04:38 Exio for emulatin a /dev/fb0
04:38 Exio g
04:38 kaeza lol
04:39 kaeza that's linux for you
04:39 Exio wut
04:40 kaeza need to download libA? but it depends on libB anc libC! (also libB depends on libG and libC depends on libE and ....)
04:40 Exio better than downloading those 10 mbs of crap in every program, don't you think?
04:41 kaeza depends
04:41 VanessaE bbl, time fo rbed
04:41 Exio need to download libZ? this is like you need libB because libC is already installed, and libB needs libX1 and Y1, but you have both installed because you downloaded that crap before
04:41 VanessaE night
04:41 Exio night VanessaE
04:41 Exio that is, you end downloading, "later" only 100kb of crap instead of 10 mb
04:42 kaeza nite V
04:44 kaeza anyway, time for bed
04:44 kaeza night all
04:47 Exio night kaeza
04:47 khonkhortisan 99 is a very small stack
04:49 Exio ./giveme default:cobble -1
04:49 Exio :D
04:49 khonkhortisan /say /giveme
04:51 Exio or //
04:51 Exio but ./ makes it look more l33t
04:58 Exio night here, too
05:09 Kacey hi
05:09 Kacey lol wow
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06:38 sfan5 hello
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07:39 Galaxy Ciao
07:39 Galaxy !list
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08:43 markveidemanis Who will help me build a great spawn
08:43 Calinou PilzAdam will do when he's here (before 2017)
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08:57 Calinou what the fuck?
08:57 Calinou I hear ocean sounds while joining animals survival server
08:57 Calinou sound volume is set to 0 but sound is enabled (so that I can enable it if needed)
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09:20 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/l6DCXPq.jpg
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09:20 RealBadAngel ive made normal maps support for animations and liquids
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09:25 markveidemanis RBA
09:25 markveidemanis How good of a builder are you?
09:26 markveidemanis Oo shit
09:26 markveidemanis mods are fucked up
09:26 markveidemanis how does this new system work?
09:26 markveidemanis nvm i got it i thikn
09:27 markveidemanis I think
09:27 RealBadAngel builder?
09:29 markveidemanis im building a spawn for my new server and would like contributions
09:29 markveidemanis i reckoned you would be a good architect and builder
09:29 RealBadAngel but im busy coding
09:31 markveidemanis k
09:31 markveidemanis Can you fix a mod i attempted to make
09:31 markveidemanis More like debug...
09:32 RealBadAngel pastebin ur code and explain whats wrong
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09:37 markveidemanis Its a multiple mod confilct
09:38 * markveidemanis tries to find the mods...
09:39 markveidemanis http://www.sendspace.com/file/032fo0
09:40 markveidemanis I need the creative tab removed if mode is survival
09:40 markveidemanis and stop the horrible flickering
09:40 markveidemanis only 1 formspec per page
09:40 markveidemanis i cant really identify the problem much
09:42 john_minetest RealBadAngel: An invisible chest?
09:42 RealBadAngel john_minetest, ??
09:42 john_minetest In the right bottom corner of http://i.imgur.com/l6DCXPq.jpg
09:44 RealBadAngel ah, i put there a chest, something with higher contrast to check water alpha
09:46 RealBadAngel markveidemanis, you mean conflict with default creative mod and its formspec?
09:46 markveidemanis no, i deleted that
09:46 markveidemanis I mean flickering when i use addons
09:46 markveidemanis like skins
09:47 markveidemanis or change page to another mod like armor
09:52 markveidemanis I need a money
09:52 markveidemanis Mod
09:52 markveidemanis The classic one
10:02 john_minetest Oh, the chest is UNDER the water xD
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10:10 markveidemanis Zeg9
10:10 markveidemanis How good are you at building?
10:10 Zeg9 Bad
10:10 markveidemanis Architecture?
10:11 Zeg9 Bad
10:11 john_minetest 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
10:12 Zeg9 I have a friend who is good at it but he hates minetest (I don't know why)
10:12 Zeg9 A new diamond block for minetest ? http://imgur.com/JdIii1y
10:13 john_minetest Lol, this coloring is creepy.
10:14 Zeg9 In both textures the color is taken from the original diamond texture :P
10:18 FreeFull Zeg9: I'd take something halfway between the two
10:19 Jordach agreed with FreeFull
10:19 Jordach anyways, since i changed the wireless' wifi channel settings, irc actually works now
10:19 Zeg9 The first with the edges of the second ?
10:19 Jordach (auto channelling wifi devices dont work)
10:20 FreeFull Zeg9: A blend, so the edges aren't that intense
10:21 Zeg9 Ok. I'll try 50-50
10:21 * Jordach is playing mortal kombat
10:22 Zeg9 FreeFull, Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/NOAzKWn.png
10:22 markveidemanis ൠ
10:22 Zeg9 Nice, mark...
10:24 FreeFull Zeg9: That's almost perfect. I'd like a test picture with four diamond blocks in a square
10:24 Jordach Zeg9, can you produce a texture set for minetest_game
10:24 Jordach (eg, replace the current ones)
10:25 FreeFull The current ones aren't bad
10:25 Jordach i might start using sphax's pack at some point
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10:25 Jordach i said something minecrafty and a wild Calinou appears
10:26 Calinou cool, textures were compressed in default :P
10:26 Calinou hi
10:26 * Calinou removed their BIOS logo at boot to gain ~1 second in boot time
10:26 Calinou I now boot in 20 seconds :3
10:26 Zeg9 I did that since a while
10:27 Zeg9 Plus the bios logo was white while all the other steps were black lol
10:27 * Calinou noticed some gray lines with text about CPU and RAM appear at boot, when logo is disabled
10:27 Calinou BIOS logo is yellow and black here
10:27 Calinou just like my mobo :P
10:28 Jordach Calinou, i boot in 17 seconds with vista
10:29 * Zeg9 can't type worldmods when mkdir'ing -_-
10:29 Calinou Jordach: including POST?
10:29 Jordach lol POST
10:29 Calinou even with a SSD, 17 seconds boot time to vista seems unrealistic
10:30 Calinou asrock mobo with fast boot on + good SSD = about 15 seconds to xubuntu log in
10:30 Calinou this is probably the best you can do
10:30 Calinou for a full OS
10:31 Jordach Calinou, in the time i take to switch the kettle on (4 seconds) and walk back to my pc, (8 seconds) then sit down (3 seconds)
10:31 FreeFull AROS will boot faster than that, off a HDD too
10:31 Calinou I can press my case's boot button on my chair, it is on top :P
10:31 Calinou FreeFull: -ENOT_A_FULL_OS
10:32 FreeFull How is AROS not a full OS?
10:33 Calinou http://www.cowcotland.com/images/test/fractal/xl-r2/mini/xl-r2-011.jpg
10:33 Calinou 4 usb ports, only one of them has ever been used :3
10:33 Calinou http://www.cowcotland.com/images/test/fractal/xl-r2/xl-r2-011.jpg
10:33 Calinou better
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10:33 Jordach eww
10:33 Jordach it looks like a xbox one
10:35 FreeFull Is the blue USB3?
10:35 sfan5 blue == USB3.0
10:35 sfan5 (well, in 99% of the casesJ)
10:35 sfan5 -J
10:35 Zeg9 FreeFull, sorry for the delay but http://i.imgur.com/lYKHweE.png
10:37 FreeFull I think I'd take the rightmost one
10:38 Zeg9 I'll pull request this one then
10:38 john_minetest German Hobbyist-OS dev site: http://www.lowlevel.eu/ </random>
10:40 sfan5 john_minetest: no opening tag found
10:43 Calinou FreeFull: yeah
10:44 Calinou on the mobo I have about 8 USB 3.0 ports and 2 USB 2.0 ports (used for mouse and keyboard)
10:49 Issa hello minetest worlkd
10:49 Issa how are u
10:56 jin_xi hey issa, i saw your video... you know about the /time command?
10:57 jin_xi because it was really dark
11:02 Jordach mother fucker
11:02 Jordach beaten by shao kahn again
11:03 Jordach i've just realised how to cheapen up buying computer parts
11:03 Calinou inb4 buying in china
11:03 Calinou inb4 customs
11:03 Jordach buy with euros as british pounds are more expensive
11:04 Jordach and buy from france
11:04 Calinou buy french titans
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11:04 Jordach lol Titan
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11:05 Jordach hey PilzAdam
11:05 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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11:07 Jordach fuck
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11:08 Calinou titan is useless since the 780 was released, Jordach :P
11:08 Jordach fuck. just got m. bison'd by shao kahn
11:08 Jordach won the first round but not the next two
11:10 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/T8d5wfo.jpg  vs http://imgur.com/EF9DgVy
11:11 john_minetest sfan5: If you scroll the IRC logs back to my birth you will find the opening tag ;)
11:14 Jordach Calinou, i still use a nvidia geforce 6xxx and i still get 60fps in the games i play
11:17 Jordach oh and, the laptop wifi isnt faulty, the router wifi was
11:18 Jordach damn cheap isp boxes
11:20 Calinou 10 year old games :P
11:21 Jordach this includes minecraft, minetest, xonotic, RE, and various others
11:22 Jordach also: simple minetest faq:
11:22 Jordach does your computer run solitaire?
11:22 Jordach A: yes
11:22 Jordach then you can play minetest
11:22 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, last time I checked the water was invisible with your shaders branch when turning off shaders; have you fixed it yet?
11:23 RealBadAngel yes
11:23 RealBadAngel i will upload new code shortly
11:23 RealBadAngel i have fixed most of the issues, added support for animations and liquids
11:23 PilzAdam whats about the warning that is displayed when digging nodes?
11:24 Calinou Jordach: yeah, with min settings :P
11:24 Jordach Calinou, 30-40fps RE with default settings
11:24 RealBadAngel im uploading now sphax x256 with new normal maps
11:24 markveidemanis RealBadAngel
11:24 markveidemanis What happened to the round sun/moon
11:25 Calinou Jordach: < 60 FPS sucks :P
11:25 PilzAdam markveidemanis
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11:25 RealBadAngel markveidemanis, skydome code will come later
11:25 PilzAdam can you stop writing nicks without anything else?
11:26 markveidemanis PilzAdam \n Okay
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11:34 markveidemanis When will entities get selection boxes?
11:35 Calinou they have
11:35 PilzAdam ehm.... they already have
11:35 markveidemanis since we have collision, can we make a platform that moves?
11:35 Calinou yes you can
11:35 Calinou but the player won't move with it unless you attach it
11:35 markveidemanis ARRGGH
11:35 markveidemanis WHY?
11:35 Calinou upward platforms work only if slow, and only if the player holds jump key
11:35 Calinou (or set gravity to 0 temporarily to help)
11:36 markveidemanis then make walls for the platform
11:36 markveidemanis Hmmm...
11:36 markveidemanis Seems a good idea...
11:36 markveidemanis set_attach while in transition
11:37 markveidemanis I meant custom selection boxes
11:37 markveidemanis because collisiononly works for the selection box (the space the entity occupies)
11:37 markveidemanis So can someone make me a platform prototype?
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11:50 Jordach markveidemanis, no
11:50 john_minetest my USB stick is as fast as my internet O_o
11:51 john_minetest Slower. 114 KB/s is my USB, 230KB/s is my internet speed.
11:51 Jordach !g USB 2.0 speed
11:51 MinetestBot Jordach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus
11:52 john_minetest It pretends to be USB 2.0
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11:53 john_minetest Okay, maybe it depends on the number of files. A video with 1GB will take shorter than millions of little files.
11:54 john_minetest 5MB/s now xD
11:55 john_minetest So linux as files takes much longer than compressed tar.xz, even when not compressed..
12:02 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91895#p91895
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12:14 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, can you make win build for it?
12:15 Jordach i prefer PilzAdam's builds to sfan5's
12:15 Jordach because LuaJIT
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12:15 sfan5 fine! i'll add luajit as soon as i'm finished building RealBadAngel's branch
12:17 Jordach and then maybe i'll switch to sfan5's
12:22 markveidemanis RBA \n Please make me a platform that moves somehow
12:23 Jordach markveidemanis, quit with the \n
12:23 Jordach this isnt python or a text editor
12:23 MinetestBot This isn't python, but I am python!
12:24 Jordach ha
12:24 Jordach From: usr/bin/python2.7
12:26 sfan5 RealBadAngel: your build is uploading now
12:27 sfan5 23,9 MB in 7z format (with special texture pack)
12:29 markveidemanis this isnt python
12:30 markveidemanis This isn't python
12:30 sfan5 RealBadAngel: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.6-efc75db-rba-win32.7z
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12:35 john_minetest OOOOOOh... AGAIN! I was just wondering AGAIN why everyone is talking about markveidemanis and python. /ignore is still on...
12:36 john_minetest I am still banned on #minecraft :(
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12:45 OldCoder john_minetest, it has been quite a while
12:45 Jordach brb, going home
12:45 Jordach OldCoder, see you in 30 mins
12:45 john_minetest hi OldCoder.
12:45 OldCoder john_minetest, yes; ban should be over
12:47 john_minetest OldCoder: How's the server status? Ready for a minetest update soon?
12:47 markveidemanis *ahem*
12:47 OldCoder john_minetest, the main VPS has new hardware. I am backing up the worlds now.
12:48 OldCoder I hope to sync the code with upstream when LevelDB is supported
12:48 OldCoder Or to update the code and do my own sync
12:48 john_minetest Okay. Nice.
12:48 OldCoder This summer
12:48 OldCoder markveidemanis, ^
12:48 OldCoder There has been some disruption. This has been unavoidable.
12:48 markveidemanis okay
12:49 PilzAdam hello OldCoder
12:49 OldCoder PilzAdam, Hello
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12:54 OldCoder My U.S. worlds are restarted. If anybody could test that would be good.
12:54 OldCoder john_minetest, ^
12:59 john_minetest Connecting...
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12:59 markveidemanis ARRRGGGHHH
13:00 markveidemanis DIGILINES HAS BUGS
13:00 Issa_ hello
13:01 Issa_ i have a question how to play with the generator  map ?
13:02 markveidemanis can i ask a question?
13:02 markveidemanis Dont give people much of a choice, do you?
13:02 markveidemanis You may ask..
13:02 PilzAdam markveidemanis, read rule 1: http://minetest.net/irc
13:03 markveidemanis Dont ask to ask
13:04 MinetestBot GIT: Zeg9 commited to minetest/minetest_game: Better diamond block texture a654c0dbbd 2013-05-26T03:43:42-07:00 http://git.io/xKgx6Q
13:05 john_minetest OldCoder: It stops at the "Connecting to server" bar.
13:05 PilzAdam john_minetest, IP and port?
13:06 john_minetest minetest.org ports 30010 and 30015 tested
13:06 OldCoder john_minetest, Hi
13:06 PilzAdam !up minetest.org 30010-30015
13:06 OldCoder john_minetest, I see a problem. Debugging it now. Thank you.
13:06 MinetestBot minetest.org:30010 seems to be down
13:06 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 seems to be down
13:06 MinetestBot minetest.org:30012 seems to be down
13:06 OldCoder Thanks
13:06 MinetestBot minetest.org:30013 seems to be down
13:06 OldCoder Working on the issue
13:06 MinetestBot minetest.org:30014 seems to be down
13:06 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 is up (0.298s)
13:06 MinetestBot was kicked by ShadowBot: message flood detected
13:06 PilzAdam ooops
13:06 PilzAdam sorry
13:06 john_minetest loooooooooool xD
13:07 john_minetest Minetest bot kicked because he flooded :D
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13:08 sfan5 ShadowBot: op MinetestBot
13:08 sfan5 ...
13:08 sfan5 !deop ShadowBot
13:08 sfan5 ShadowNinja: you forgot to set the nopunish flag for MinetestBot..
13:09 MinetestBot Sorry for flooding
13:09 john_minetest OldCoder: I just connected to the server.
13:09 sfan5 PilzAdam: also: MinetestBot admins are not affected by the max ports at once limit set in serverup.py
13:09 PilzAdam yea, thought so
13:09 OldCoder john_minetest, there is an issue; I am working on it
13:10 john_minetest OldCoder: Okay. But it looked good. At least the world loaded.
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13:12 markveidemanis RealBadAngel: holy shit just looked through your github
13:12 OldCoder john_minetest, Good... but need to fix something
13:12 Issa sfan5,
13:12 john_minetest Yeah, okay.
13:12 sfan5 Issa,
13:12 Issa i like u pack i m trying it
13:12 markveidemanis soo much cool shit...
13:12 Issa but u don't add the good directory for the texture
13:13 sfan5 Issa: could you please use understandable english?
13:13 Issa ok
13:13 Issa on u pack of minetest with rba
13:13 sfan5 you mean my minetest build
13:13 Issa yes
13:17 RealBadAngel sfan5, you have put textures in /textures/all/all
13:17 sfan5 RealBadAngel: woops
13:17 RealBadAngel happens :)
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13:18 Jordach back
13:18 Issa thanks RealBadAngel
13:18 sfan5 RealBadAngel: reuploading file now
13:18 Jordach MinetestBot!
13:18 MinetestBot Jordach!
13:18 sfan5 Jordach: currently working on LuaJIT
13:18 Jordach \o/
13:19 Issa sfan5, u don't farm on the release ?
13:19 sfan5 Issa: farm?
13:19 Issa sfan5,  [0.4.7] Farming added
13:20 Issa so if u compile minetest from source, u will be have farming no ?
13:20 sfan5 my build has farming
13:20 sfan5 it was fetched from git 10 mins ago
13:22 Issa ok it's cool
13:22 Issa i like it
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13:22 RealBadAngel btw, when using bumpmapping, turn off preload item visuals
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13:24 Jordach hello OldCoder
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13:25 Jordach hey NakedFury
13:25 sfan5 RealBadAngel: fixed zip finished reuploading
13:25 OldCoder Jordach, hello
13:26 RealBadAngel super, thx
13:26 Jordach im reminded of the 0.4.3 days again
13:27 Jordach at least we got rid of the stain called likwid
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13:27 sfan5 Jordach: I edited my buildscript for LuaJIT, building right now
13:27 Jordach \O/
13:28 Jordach im a moron
13:28 Jordach i wondered why blender wasnt moving the bones
13:28 markveidemanis ikr
13:29 Jordach it was on rest position
13:31 sfan5 yay! my luajit build script works
13:31 PilzAdam does MC have dry shrubs?
13:32 sfan5 yes
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13:34 Jordach ^ join spam
13:34 PilzAdam markveidemanis, stop join spamming
13:37 sfan5 Jordach: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91907#p91907
13:38 sfan5 149 that visited my minetest builds site have "Windows 7 / Chrome / 1366x768"
13:39 Jordach laptop users
13:40 Zeg9 Hello!
13:41 sfan5 100% have cookies enabled and 94,1% have Flash
13:41 sfan5 84,1% hava Java, 76,3% have PDF
13:41 Zeg9 john_minetest: seems i'm not banned from #minecraft :p
13:42 john_minetest Lol...
13:42 Jordach im not banned
13:42 john_minetest maybe because my cloak is called "john_minetest"
13:42 john_minetest Even if I join as "john_cephalopoda" they ban me.
13:43 Zeg9 If your name is advertising minetest, quite logical they ban you :D
13:44 john_minetest Only my CLOAK is advertising minetest
13:44 PilzAdam join as john_minecraft :-p
13:44 john_minetest (my nickserv registered name)
13:45 Zeg9 Well IRC sees your name as something like john_whatever@unafiliated/john_minetest so theorically this is part of your name (ok, /me hides)
13:45 Exio hostname you mean :>
13:45 john_minetest Exactly. That's why I am banned all the time.
13:47 OldCoder john_minetest, Worlds are up. Try to test today if possible.
13:47 OldCoder Thanks
13:50 john_minetest okay. Downloading media
13:50 PilzAdam hey, can somone join #minecraft and say that Im a minetest dev? lets see what happens :D
13:56 Exio ...
13:56 Exio k
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13:58 sfan5 minetest guys join #minecraft , mincraft guys join #minetest
13:58 markveidemanis LL
13:59 markveidemanis LOL
13:59 Exio in the meantime, there is some people what joins in #mt and #mc both at login-time ;P
13:59 * sfan5
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14:01 Nikondork Exio: I have it set to do that as well, I just havent reconnected in a while
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14:01 Nikondork seriously though, if we could just quit this petty bullshit
14:02 Gambit Heh thanks markveidemanis.
14:02 Exio the only who did bullshit was markveidemanis
14:02 sfan5 actually
14:02 markveidemanis HOT ME
14:02 markveidemanis NOT ME
14:02 Gambit Exio: No it was PilzAdam.
14:02 Gambit markveidemanis came to warn us :)
14:02 sfan5 !quiet markveidemanis*!*
14:02 Exio Gambit: it was a joke
14:02 markveidemanis FUCK
14:02 sfan5 !mute markveidemanis*!*
14:02 Nikondork if there is anyone coming in here to troll I can assure you its not in the name of #minecraft
14:02 Gambit :s
14:03 sfan5 todo list: alias !quiet to !mute
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14:03 sfan5 !unmute markveidemanis*!*
14:03 Jordach where the fuck is Taoki
14:03 * VanessaE peeks in
14:04 Jordach hey VanessaE
14:04 VanessaE hey
14:04 MinetestBot hi VanessaE
14:05 Exio sfan5: enable cleverbot!
14:05 Gambit I wish cleverbot had an api :(
14:05 OldCoder VanessaE, Hello
14:06 MinetestBot VanessaE: you said "hey" when jordach said hi, why don't you say "hey" after I said hi :(
14:06 Jordach Jordach*
14:06 VanessaE hey OldCoder
14:06 Jordach capitalise my name dammit
14:06 VanessaE allright, who's on the bot?
14:06 Jordach alright*
14:06 PilzAdam VannesaE I am ;-)
14:07 * MinetestBot is on the bot
14:07 Exio ok
14:07 PilzAdam ooosp
14:07 * MinetestBot is on the roof
14:07 Jordach JUMP! JUMP! JUMP!
14:07 * MinetestBot jumps down the roof
14:07 Gambit VanessaE: Is PilzAdam a minetest dev?
14:07 MinetestBot I guess its sfan5
14:07 enchilado Wow, that's a well-coded bot.
14:08 MinetestBot I guess its PilzAdam.
14:08 MinetestBot Gambit, yes he is
14:08 VanessaE Gambit: yes
14:08 VanessaE he's the primary coder for minetest_game now (the actual game's content)
14:08 sfan5 PilzAdam: *she
14:08 MinetestBot 2 people abuse me too much :-(
14:08 Gambit Wow. Way to represent your project then there PilzAdam.
14:08 MinetestBot why not 3 people?
14:08 Exio Gambit: https://github.com/minetest?tab=members
14:08 PilzAdam Gambit, its not my project
14:09 PilzAdam this is FOSS
14:09 VanessaE heh
14:09 Exio it is OUR project, but you can always blame PilzAdam
14:09 Gambit 05-26 09:50:51| <PilzAdam> hey, can somone join #minecraft and say that Im a minetest dev? lets see what happens :D
14:09 Gambit No really, way to represent your development team.
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14:09 Exio (in doubt: blame PilzAdam)
14:10 VanessaE PilzAdam: it's a western thing, you represent that which you contribute to actively, if you do so at least somewhat publicly.
14:10 Jordach Slave, kill the bot
14:10 sfan5 !mute *!*Bot@*
14:10 PilzAdam Gambit, I just noticed that people on #minecraft overreact when reading about minetest, I just wanted to see if its true
14:10 Exio Gambit: it was a joke because john_minetest is banned in #minecraft because the minetest in the cloak
14:10 sfan5 Jordach: done
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14:10 Jordach markveidemanis, you do not need bot here
14:10 Gambit PilzAdam: There's a pretty good reason for that.
14:11 enchilado Exio: erm, sorry?
14:11 Exio enchilado: hi
14:11 PilzAdam I could say that it was not my intention to troll on #minecraft, but you wouldnt believe me anyways
14:11 Gambit A reason which apparently now extends all the way up into the development team.
14:11 enchilado Exio: what do you mean, he's banned because minetest is in the cloak?
14:11 Exio enchilado: i just say what he said
14:11 enchilado Hi
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14:11 sfan5 !unmute *!*Bot@*
14:11 Exio check the backlog!
14:11 Gambit The members of this channel constantly have some desire to "Hey let's go start shit in #minecraft. lel"
14:12 Exio uh?
14:12 sfan5 Gambit: s/members/people like markveidemanis/
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14:12 sfan5 !up uplink.io
14:12 MinetestBot uplink.io:30000 is up (0.167s)
14:13 Gambit sfan5: Well today, markveidemanis actually came to warn us that PilzAdam had some intention to troll.
14:13 sfan5 Gambit: then PilzAdam was muted and markveidemanis trolled...
14:13 sfan5 kind of backwards
14:13 Exio Gambit: oh god
14:13 Exio if you take EVERYTHING serious
14:14 Exio it was just a joke
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14:14 VanessaE anyone seen Uberi around today?  I need to bend his ear. :)
14:14 john_minetest Gambit: I only want to see what is going on in #minecraft. I was trolling there once and was banned, after this I sent several excuses to the channel master. I even change my name to "john_cephalopoda", so my name isn't advertising.
14:14 sfan5 !seen Uberi
14:14 MinetestBot sfan5: uberi was last seen at 2013-05-26 03:33:41 UTC on #minetest
14:14 sfan5 ^ VanessaE
14:14 VanessaE figures.
14:15 VanessaE maybe he'll be back later.
14:15 markveidemanis hi
14:15 VanessaE sfan5: actually you'll do ;)
14:15 sfan5 john_minetest: I think they banned *!*minetest*@*
14:15 sfan5 *could have banned
14:15 VanessaE //rotate doesn't work right - it rotates the selection and then it gets un-rotated immediately after
14:16 Gambit There are several patterns in place. Trolls from this project love evading bans.
14:16 VanessaE at least around the Y axis, and if the measure is 90 degrees (maybe also 270), it leaves remnants behind.
14:16 sfan5 VanessaE: I won't be able to look into this right now, maybe Uberi can help you if the comes online
14:17 VanessaE ok
14:17 markveidemanis TEST
14:17 VanessaE FAIL
14:18 markveidemanis I meant PING
14:18 VanessaE PUNG.
14:25 sokomine hi
14:25 OldCoder sokomine, Hello
14:26 sokomine hi oldcoder. nice to see you
14:27 OldCoder o/
14:29 VanessaE PilzAdam: is there a way to prevent a sheep from de-spawning?
14:29 PilzAdam yes
14:30 sokomine iirc you have to feed it?
14:30 VanessaE ah, the tame-with-wheat thing?
14:30 sokomine they really where gathering up in moulds in too high amounts
14:30 sokomine yes, that's the latest i read in the thread
14:31 VanessaE I didn't read the whole thread :P
14:31 VanessaE Ah
14:31 VanessaE that's easy
14:32 sokomine they now follow you when you wield intresting food :-)
14:33 sokomine at least it's not a direct copy of the minecraft behaviour where feeding lets them emit hearts and produce offspring (just to be brutally murdered later on by the player)
14:36 Jordach wheres Taoki when you need him
14:38 PilzAdam *her
14:38 Jordach PilzAdam, its a dude
14:38 Jordach i've seen his youtube vids
14:39 VanessaE PilzAdam: recommend adding some kind of feedback msg in the chat when an animal is tamed
14:39 sokomine sounds like a good idea :-)
14:40 PilzAdam VanessaE, the feedback is that you have 1 wheat less
14:40 VanessaE heh
14:40 VanessaE just passing on what one of my users felt was missing
14:40 Taoki Jordach: hi
14:41 Taoki Might need to go soonish though
14:41 Jordach ah, youre the man i currently need
14:41 Taoki k
14:41 Taoki Also, her is correctly said too, ignore how I look on youtube :P
14:43 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/EF1GKHF.jpg
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14:47 john_minetest OldCoder: Are you still here?
14:48 OldCoder Yes
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14:50 john_minetest OldCoder: PM
15:09 Jordach has anyone had a bug
15:09 Jordach where you load a singleplayer world once and it crashes during media load
15:09 sfan5 Jordach: have you tested my latest build with luajit?
15:09 Jordach but restart minetest and it loads fine, but closing the world makes it die again
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15:11 john_minetest <random> http://www.pt0k.com/html/0155.html </random>
15:13 Jordach nice lol
15:15 VanessaE Jordach: LOTS of people have that crash
15:15 VanessaE and it isn't just in singleplayer, either
15:18 ShadowNinja sfan5: If you register your bot with ShadowBot I can give it the nopunish capability. I have two flood detectors and one doesn't ignore ops it seems.
15:18 sfan5 just make it ignore ops
15:20 ShadowNinja But then I need to modify it. I think I will just remove the other plugin. ,,(unload AttackProtector) My plugin should be able to do what the other plugin does now.
15:20 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
15:23 RealBadAngel i made another water texture: http://i.imgur.com/yEWiT7w.jpg
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15:25 jcontra Does anyone have a screenshot of a dungeon master, by chance? I'm looking for a reference to make some fan art
15:26 Exio to the people who know german, how hard would you consider it as language? ;P
15:26 Jordach jcontra, five secs
15:26 PilzAdam jcontra, look at the wiki at minetest.com
15:26 Jordach http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Mobs#Dungeon_Master
15:26 PilzAdam !wik Dungeon Master
15:26 MinetestBot "Minetest had very few mobs before the 0.4.0 version." - http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Dungeon_Master
15:26 PilzAdam MinetestBot!
15:26 MinetestBot PilzAdam!
15:26 Jordach jcontra,
15:26 Jordach <Jordach> http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Mobs#Dungeon_Master
15:27 jcontra I was hoping for a better resolution-- I've found that
15:28 jcontra is there any way to open up the 3D model in Blender?
15:28 jcontra Exio: German isn't bad if you speak English natively. THey're on the same language branch
15:28 Exio i don't speak english natively, so, aw
15:29 khonkhortisan Sie nein sprechen ze engelsk.
15:30 Jordach VROOM! VROOM! http://i.imgur.com/XCCEY7s.png
15:30 khonkhortisan it needs a little more
15:32 sokomine exio: not hard at all because it's my native tongue :-)
15:32 Exio haha
15:32 Exio cheater! :P
15:32 sfan5 jcontra: the dungeon master has no 32 model
15:32 PilzAdam yea, german is pretty easy :-p
15:32 PilzAdam jcontra, you can look at simple mobs for an unofficial 3D model for it
15:33 sokomine exio: the grammar is more flexible than in english. also we have articles for each noun that describes weather it's male/female/neutral (similar to french) which might give learners a hard time
15:33 jcontra PilzAdam: What do you mean?
15:33 sfan5 jcontra: old dungeon master textures: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/0.3.dev-20111021/data/dungeon_master.png
15:34 PilzAdam jcontra, Simple Mobs is a mod
15:34 jcontra Exio: And nouns are usually capitalized, which helps when you're learning.
15:34 sokomine my french teacher once said that there was just one rule in german without exception: if a noun ends in -chen, it's always "das *-chen" (e.g. das Broetchen)
15:34 Exio sokomine: that sounds like spanish/italian, "too"
15:35 sokomine yes, there are many languages that are structured that way
15:35 jcontra PilzAdam: I see-- so in its current state, it's a 2D sprite?
15:35 sokomine and it's right that german and english are related. the german spoken in the northern parts of germany tends towards english
15:35 Jordach NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
15:36 jcontra PilzAdam: Sorry-- I'm making the art, I'm not the fan... yet :)
15:36 PilzAdam jcontra, Simple Mobs has a 3D model for the dungeon master
15:36 sokomine nowerdays, you don't have to worry if you spell something wrong. there are loads of native speakers who don't have a clue about their written language either and where it hurts to try to decipher what they might have had in mind in forum posts
15:36 jcontra PilzAdam: Thanks-- I'll check it out
15:37 sokomine the original dungeon masters iirc where 2d sprites
15:37 sokomine then there's the dungeon masters from sapiers mobf
15:39 sokomine exio: one speciality of german is that you can combine as many nouns as you want into a new noun which then becomes a legitimate word as well. english doesn't have that
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15:43 Exio that seems i'll try to start learning it in some years :P
15:47 PilzAdam Exio, read kaeza's forum signature
15:48 Exio i know
15:48 Exio if he didn't change it
15:49 sfan5 "Very good, sfan5. You are on your way to becoming a more skilled compiler."
15:49 sfan5 ^ hahahaha, what the fuck
15:49 Exio wat
15:49 * Exio links sfan5
15:49 sfan5 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91914#p91914
15:54 Jordach FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU http://i.imgur.com/SZYqLYZ.png
15:54 Kacey do a barrel roll!
15:55 Jordach please work
15:55 Jordach i really want to beat the shit out of my pc right now
15:56 Jordach if this works, everyones getting rasta:weed 9999
15:56 Jordach nope.avi
15:57 Calinou /giveme jordach:gardevoir -1
15:57 Jordach that works too
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15:57 Jordach although a clearobjects will probably be needed
15:58 Jordach <- Rage = 87%
15:59 OldCoder
15:59 OldCoder clearobjects can be a problem
15:59 sfan5 ‮lol
16:00 * ShadowNinja can't use it anymore
16:00 Jordach MOTHER FUCKER
16:00 Jordach all i had to do was ROTATE THE MODEL NOT INVERSE THE SCALE
16:01 * Jordach beats the shit out of blender
16:01 sfan5 *** blender died
16:01 Calinou *** blender left the game.
16:01 sfan5 *** Jordach recieves 'fuck shit ton of source code'
16:02 Jordach those three lines fit
16:05 Jordach actually, i might have worked out this random crash
16:06 Jordach when minetest caches a new model, it seems to cause the /home/adam/Minetest/win32/minetest/src/client.cpp:1739: ProcessData: Assertion '
16:06 Jordach !m_mesh_update_thread.IsRunning()' failed.
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16:09 Jordach also: i think irrlicht 1.7.2 in these builds is also making this bug occur
16:12 Jordach 1). Fix the model's rotation bug.
16:12 Jordach 2). Once everything works
16:12 Jordach 3). Light up the doobie
16:15 jcontra Jordach: Good plan
16:16 Kacey bbl
16:19 john_minetest Oh, it seems there has been a netsplit.
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16:21 Zeg9 PilzAdam: any idea why the inventory in minitest is lagging as chests??
16:21 PilzAdam because formspecs suck
16:22 sokomine no, not as such. formspecs are fine. and they give mobs the ability to present a formspec
16:22 * Jordach exports again
16:23 sokomine just the idea to make the content of locked chests visible only to the owner of the chest was not so great. may have sounded good when the idea came up but is extremly annoying ingame when you have to wait and wait and wait for your chests
16:23 sokomine jordach: do you create models as well?
16:23 Jordach yes
16:24 * sokomine still hopes for goats, rabbits, squirrels etc.
16:24 jcontra do you use blender?
16:24 jcontra I kind of/sort of know blender
16:24 sokomine could you do those? :) or would that detain you from doing more important work?
16:24 Zeg9 The real problem is that the item moving in formspecs is ONLY predicted for inventory and crafting grid
16:24 Jordach SUCCESS!
16:25 PilzAdam Zeg9, mobs or redstone?
16:25 PilzAdam what to do next in MiniTest?
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16:27 PilzAdam Ill make some simple redstone
16:27 Zeg9 Redstone I think
16:27 Jordach call it yellowstone
16:27 PilzAdam no
16:28 PilzAdam Zeg9, I need textures :-p
16:28 Zeg9 My brother wants me to play with him atm :P
16:28 PilzAdam oO
16:29 PilzAdam that doesnt sound right...
16:29 Jordach Zeg9, oohh arr
16:30 Zeg9 This is a good way to try minitest ;-)
16:31 Jordach This is taking longer than expected. Your video has been queued and will be processed as soon as possible.
16:31 Jordach FFS
16:33 Zeg9 PilzAdam: when I'm done playing (yes, I play...) I'll do some more textures, especially redstone
16:33 PilzAdam hood
16:33 PilzAdam *good
16:35 sokomine hm. now sdzen said the map of his server does no longer save - something menche encountered as well. what's up there? any solutions?
16:35 Jordach sokomine, i think the levelDB patch is needed.
16:35 Jordach OldCoder, ^
16:37 OldCoder Hi
16:37 OldCoder Reviewing
16:37 OldCoder No longer saves? Explain
16:38 Jordach <sokomine> hm. now sdzen said the map of his server does no longer save - something menche encountered as well. what's up there? any solutions?
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16:44 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91924#p91924
16:45 RealBadAngel i finally made the water for Haven TP :) http://i.imgur.com/fwWzMMk.jpg
16:45 RealBadAngel what do you think about it/
16:45 RealBadAngel ?
16:45 NakedFury looks good
16:45 Calinou looks nice
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16:45 Jordach meh
16:46 Calinou Hybrid Dog's version: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82342922/temp/fwWzMMk.jpg
16:47 Calinou RealBadAngel: -1 for not using shaders :P
16:47 sokomine shaders are bad! they don't work on my grapics card
16:47 RealBadAngel hrhr
16:47 Calinou sokomine: how about getting opengl 2.1+ :3
16:48 RealBadAngel sokomine, whats ur gfx card?
16:48 Calinou inb4 X1800
16:48 Calinou inb4 945GM
16:51 Jordach oh shit, its cisoun's birthday today
16:51 Calinou dat harsh linux user
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16:55 Zeg9 PilzAdam: will you use the raillike drawtype for redstone?
16:55 PilzAdam yes
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17:04 sfan5 damnit! why the fuck is codeload.github.com "503 Service Unavailable"
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17:06 Jordach 17:05 UTC We are investigating issues with tagged downloads.
17:07 Jordach sfan5, ^
17:07 sokomine rba: still a GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a (5 years old onboard)
17:08 Octupus Hi
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17:09 Zeg9 PilzAdam, done wire and dust
17:09 Zeg9 http://i.imgur.com/sFOMVwL.jpg
17:09 PilzAdam cool
17:12 john_minetest Lol, took me 10 seconds to realize that this is redstone and not mesecons :D
17:14 sfan5 Things are only unavailable when you need them.
17:22 Zeg9 PilzAdam: do you want new glowstone textures?
17:22 PilzAdam yea
17:22 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-pTkeMMdzQ
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17:23 Calinou PilzAdam: modified mesecons much? :P
17:24 Calinou by the way, it would be nice if default physics were changed in minitest
17:24 Calinou we need more gravity, slightly more jump height to compense, bump walk speed to 4.27, reduce sneak speed to 0.75
17:24 Calinou and disallow liquid sneaking (and set downward liquid speed to a much faster one)
17:25 john_minetest Is there a bumpmap for the cracks?
17:26 NakedFury reduce arm length while your at it calinou
17:26 NakedFury we have a ridiculous reach
17:26 Calinou can't do that
17:27 Calinou all the things I mentioned can be done with minetest.conf or lua API (set on join)
17:34 RealBadAngel john_minetest, not yet
17:37 * Jordach continues to consider windows 8
17:39 * Calinou considers windows 9
17:40 thexyz + dead
17:40 * MinetestBot considers Python 2.7
17:41 * Calinou considers python 0.1
17:41 Calinou "Added Memory management" --changelog
17:52 sokomine please don't reduce arm length. that would only make building more difficult without any benefits at atll
17:55 Calinou reduce x86 length instead
17:55 Calinou anyway, in minecraft it is the same as minetest
17:55 Calinou since 1.0 or so
17:55 Calinou it's even a bit longer in minecraft :P
17:57 sokomine i won't object to making it longer :-) that might make building easier
17:58 Exio that should be a setting
17:59 * john_minetest considers linux 9
18:00 Exio wait a year
18:00 Exio linus did like mozilla
18:00 john_minetest 3.7 after 20 years... Doesn't sound like mozilla...
18:00 john_minetest *over 20 years
18:01 john_minetest Mozilla would be 21.0 after 9 years
18:02 john_minetest And over 40 after 20 years.
18:08 Jordach Starting Minetest server at: 217.43.25.218 : 30000
18:08 Jordach !up 217.43.25.218
18:08 MinetestBot 217.43.25.218:30000 is up (1.078s)
18:12 Exio john_minetest: compare the 2.x vs the 3.x release rate
18:13 PilzAdam Zeg9, I also need torchlike/wallmounted lever
18:13 Exio it was 3.2 in 2012 or 2011 iirc
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18:16 Calinou 3.5 you mean
18:16 Calinou firefox
18:16 Calinou linux was 3.2 in beginning of 2012
18:16 Calinou now it's 3.10
18:16 Calinou (no, won't be 4.0 :D)
18:16 Calinou well, soon to be 3.10
18:19 Zeg9 torchlike lever ?? will look weird
18:19 Calinou you could use a nodebox lever
18:19 Calinou not very accurate but better than torchlike
18:19 Calinou torchlike is fugly :P
18:19 Calinou I'm surprised it is still used today
18:22 Zeg9 I gotta go, sorry...
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18:29 Jordach hey Calinou 217.43.25.218:30000
18:29 Calinou what?
18:29 Jordach go connect
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18:30 Jordach im also getting 38fps with a 512px sphax pack
18:34 kahrl Personally I think in survival the horizontal arm length is just about right whereas the vertical arm length is too short
18:34 kahrl because it makes chopping down trees a nuisance
18:34 Jordach that
18:35 john_minetest Exio: March 1994 Linux 1.0 was released. 1996 Linux 2.0 was released. 2 years.
18:42 john_minetest Exio: It seems that the 2.0 period was extremely long.
18:43 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
18:47 john_minetest Exio: Old but shows it quite well -> http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/02/2/5/3/40526501205273723.png
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18:59 Exio john_minetest: in mean from 2.1 to 2.2
18:59 Exio was a lot of time
19:03 kahrl actually I just started a new world and can't find any of those problematic large trees
19:03 kahrl maybe those were trees from a mod where I had problems
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19:09 john_minetest Reminder for myself: vmlinux is not the kernel, arch/x86/boot/bzImage is the right one
19:10 PilzAdam some very basic redstone added to Minitest
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19:21 Kacey bbiab
19:22 john_minetest I wrote files for automated distro creation all day long.
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19:45 Jordach huh, im rated 1058elo at chess
19:46 Calinou the bigger your elo is, the bigger your...
19:46 Calinou nothing
19:46 * Calinou is playing xonotic on [mon] vehicle gameplay
19:46 Calinou 12/12
19:53 Jordach black was fucked anyways
19:53 Jordach i had two queens against his one king
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19:56 kahrl ugh what is up Telekom
19:56 * kahrl gets so many dup acks on his youtube TCP connections
19:56 kahrl videos take hours to load
19:57 kahrl and no I don't have one of these cursed new contracts
20:01 Jordach kahrl, buy yourself some broadband
20:02 tjbarber Hey how do you give another user permissions in multiplayer mode? I want to give teleportation and I've tried /privs <user name> give <ability> and it's not working.
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20:04 Miner_48er I need a way to make exceptions to the ip ban for certain users on shared ips. Any way to do this?
20:05 kahrl I have broadband but it is overallocated... or maybe it's a problem on youtube's end
20:05 Miner_48er maybe by username
20:08 tjbarber never mind figured it out with the permissions.
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20:17 sfan5 good night
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20:26 john_minetest kahrl: http://www.heise.de/netze/netzwerk-tools/imonitor-internet-stoerungen/
20:26 Jordach happy birthday cisoun
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20:27 cisoun Jordach: oh thanks man !!
20:27 cisoun :D
20:28 Jordach if it werent for me checking G+, i would have missed it
20:29 kaeza evening
20:29 kaeza +s
20:30 john_minetest happy birthday cisoun.
20:30 Jordach kaeza, 217.43.25.218:30000
20:30 kaeza happy birthday cisoun
20:31 kaeza Jordach, what is that?
20:31 kaeza inb4 ip addr
20:31 Jordach well, come see
20:31 Jordach rark and miner are here
20:34 cisoun thanks everyone o/
20:37 Calinou happy birthday cisoun :)
20:37 * Calinou has more candies than cisoun >:D
20:38 Jordach kaeza, you may have timed out
20:38 VanessaE Jordach: ow. *pokes back*
20:38 Jordach VanessaE, 217.43.25.218:30000
20:38 Jordach gogogo
20:39 VanessaE why?
20:39 Jordach trust me
20:39 VanessaE ok, I'll bite.
20:39 VanessaE going in...
20:39 Kacey Jordach, can i join?
20:39 Jordach sure
20:39 VanessaE I expect to see that green and white character.
20:39 Jordach failed to emerge player issues
20:39 VanessaE Miku or whatever
20:40 Jordach wrong.... wrong....
20:40 kaeza heck this modem
20:40 Jordach theres a song for that
20:40 Calinou it's gardevoir, VanessaE, a pokémon
20:40 kaeza disconnected again :<
20:40 VanessaE oh right
20:40 Calinou Jordach: OPPA GANGNAM STYLE
20:40 Jordach nope.avi
20:40 kaeza hi VanessaE, Calinou
20:40 VanessaE hey kaeza
20:40 Jordach oh god
20:40 Jordach im at 0.5% of 100mb
20:41 kaeza !up 217.43.25.218
20:41 VanessaE Jordach: aborted, trying again and now it's dead.
20:41 MinetestBot 217.43.25.218:30000 is up (0.303s)
20:41 Jordach try again
20:41 * VanessaE offers chocolate to whoever wants
20:41 Jordach winning
20:41 VanessaE there it goes.
20:41 * Calinou eats the chocolate
20:41 Jordach ^ fat bastard
20:42 VanessaE Jordach: it ain't workin'
20:42 Jordach give it time
20:42 * Jordach checks texture sizwe
20:42 VanessaE stock at ...well whatever percentage it's at (dammit zeg9!)
20:42 VanessaE stuck*
20:42 Jordach VanessaE, the model weighs 2mb
20:42 VanessaE oof
20:42 VanessaE big model
20:42 kaeza well, it went up to 75% here
20:42 Jordach Taoki actually nearly halved it
20:43 kaeza and then got stuck
20:43 Kacey meh i need a screenshot or else i will melt my freaking computer
20:43 kaeza Jordach, can you host remote media?
20:43 Jordach kaeza
20:43 Jordach <- windows
20:43 kaeza :{
20:44 VanessaE *gasp*
20:44 VanessaE I'm in
20:44 VanessaE what, no fast/fly? >:-(
20:44 VanessaE Jordach: you look like the usual player model.
20:45 Jordach i forget pointing at a screen doesnt work
20:47 * Calinou edits their minetest.conf using nano
20:47 * Calinou feels like they're a nerd
20:47 Jordach Calinou, i did that for my vps
20:47 Calinou I usually use geany
20:47 * Calinou switches to qwerty to type the IP
20:48 Calinou the percentage on "media" is gone since there's a loading bar
20:48 Calinou and IMO, it should scale over all the bar, not half ot it
20:48 Calinou half of*
20:50 Calinou takes a while to log in :P
20:50 Jordach <Jordach> VanessaE, the model weighs 2mb
20:50 Calinou I know
20:53 VanessaE HAH!
20:53 VanessaE I killed her AND the server :D
20:53 Calinou yeah
20:53 Jordach its the on_punch table
20:53 Calinou so, I said, Jordach, port Taoki's models \o/
20:53 Jordach VanessaE, shes still alive
20:53 VanessaE I saw a puff of smoke
20:54 Jordach come back then
20:54 VanessaE (I was just trying to push her)
20:54 Calinou mmmph
20:55 Calinou I try to put a password, I didn't have one, "invalid password"
20:55 Calinou didn't know it didn't work on non-first joins :P
20:57 Calinou again crash :P
20:57 VanessaE crashed again
20:57 Jordach fix needed
20:57 VanessaE you suck.
20:57 VanessaE :)
20:57 * Jordach updates simple mobs
20:57 Jordach you do realise this is the Let's Play world i was using right
20:57 Calinou complicated mobs
20:57 Calinou ah ok
20:57 Jordach <- doesnt give one fuck
20:58 Jordach okay, we might have to add ponies
20:58 Jordach Taoki ^
20:58 Jordach ridable to
20:58 Jordach too*
20:58 * Jordach slaps Calinou, just because
20:58 Taoki Jordach: MLP game type for MT will eventually be done :)
20:58 PilzAdam Simple Mobs isnt the problem
20:59 Calinou why a whole game for it ._.
20:59 Calinou models + map is enough, probably :P
21:01 PilzAdam VanessaE, your a liar
21:01 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91943#p91943
21:02 PilzAdam *you are
21:02 VanessaE when did I say that?
21:02 VanessaE hybrid dog is nutz
21:02 VanessaE oh he must mean the subject line
21:02 VanessaE (which is why I left the "/git" in there)
21:03 kaeza I don't know how PilzAdam is surprised
21:03 PilzAdam the only thin in the forum that is allowed to be tagged as 0.4.7 is the news section
21:03 kaeza some people even have 4.6
21:03 kaeza (yes four point six)
21:03 VanessaE fixed.
21:04 PilzAdam we should ban everyone who pretends to use a non existing Minetest version >:-)
21:04 Calinou replace instances of "4.6" with "Minecraft"
21:04 Calinou profit
21:04 PilzAdam s/Minecraft/MiniTest/g
21:08 Jordach Calinou, VanessaE: come on down
21:08 VanessaE busy..
21:14 Jordach Calinou, fixed
21:14 Calinou k
21:14 Calinou have to go anyway, night
21:15 * VanessaE is preparing a massive update to HDX
21:15 Jordach OH SHHHHIIIITTTTTT
21:15 VanessaE bumpmaps - lots and lots of bumpmaps (and specularmaps also, for when that becomes possible)
21:16 VanessaE you thought the 512px pack was big before, it's gonna be 3x as big by the time I'm done here.
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21:17 Jordach FUCK FUCK FUCK
21:17 Calinou using a 512px pack vs 256px is like using 2133mhz RAM over 1600mhz RAM :P
21:17 tgs3 hi
21:17 Calinou hi tgs3
21:17 tgs3 so how advnaced is minetest, do we have any monsters?
21:17 VanessaE Calinou: actually to play reliably on my server, I have to stick to 256px now
21:17 Jordach tgs3, simple mobs, mobf
21:17 VanessaE tgs3: yes.
21:17 VanessaE there are several mods that add creatures
21:18 tgs3 is it playable, like, is there a challange e.g. of surviving the night?  or is it just building with no challange
21:18 tgs3 e.g. is it a fun challanging game regarding the gameplay itself
21:18 tgs3 VanessaE: can you link me to them? How to use them, I'm on linux
21:19 VanessaE just check the forums
21:19 VanessaE I don't remember the names of all of them
21:19 tgs3 though is it a fun to play game for you yet? :)
21:20 VanessaE it's fun for me with or without mobs
21:20 tgs3 but without mobs it is just like playing lego without any danger right?
21:21 tgs3 except danger of stepping barefoot on a brick... :P
21:21 Calinou VanessaE: well, is there any use to 512px since it gets to big :/
21:22 VanessaE Calinou: one can delete the parts they don't want
21:22 VanessaE e.g. delete all of that which doesn't correspond to a mod you're using
21:23 Jordach PilzAdam, i just noticed a bug in simple mobs
21:23 PilzAdam hm?
21:23 Jordach apprently i cant tame custom mobs
21:23 Jordach despite being the correct item
21:24 PilzAdam sheeps are tamed in a self define on_rightclick() by settin self.tamed = true
21:24 Calinou simple mobs should have a launchpad, it was specifially designed for projects with tons of bugs
21:24 Calinou which is why ubuntu uses it
21:24 Calinou :>
21:26 * Calinou has a new signature: <HDxSh0TzZ> any hosts selling free servers
21:29 Jordach PilzAdam, is self.tamed set to default by normal on spawn
21:29 PilzAdam self.tamed is false on spawn
21:29 PilzAdam or nil, dunno
21:29 Jordach so does /spawnentity bacon:sandwich
21:29 Jordach set it to false
21:30 PilzAdam yep
21:30 Jordach well, it doesnt
21:30 Jordach the follow = "bacon:eggs", works
21:31 PilzAdam taming !=  following
21:32 Jordach PilzAdam, self.tamed isnt defined
21:32 Jordach even though i tried printing it to the console
21:32 Jordach and i dont see a difference for this line: clicker:set_wielded_item(item)
21:33 Jordach even though its not being removed befored,
21:33 Jordach before the if statements*
21:33 Jordach why there
21:34 PilzAdam oh, thats a bug
21:34 Jordach did i just stumble on that
21:35 Jordach saw this in wazuclan:
21:35 Jordach <minetest46> *** Traxie21 left the game
21:35 Jordach <minetest46> *** Traxie21 joins the game
21:35 Jordach thats her too
21:35 Jordach <minetest46> <Traxie21> I has an i5 laptop now, much better than my old C2Duo
21:35 Jordach <minetest46> <Traxie21> 8 G ram
21:36 PilzAdam fixed
21:36 Jordach link me the zipball
21:36 Jordach (too lazy to fire up the browser)
21:36 PilzAdam git clone https://github.com/PilzAdam/mobs.git
21:36 PilzAdam :-p
21:36 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/mobs/archive/master.zip
21:37 Jordach <- not installed git
21:38 PilzAdam more bugs fixed
21:38 PilzAdam redownload
21:41 Jordach PilzAdam, with /spawnentity the mob just sits there frozen
21:41 Jordach not even animating
21:42 PilzAdam /spawnentity does not differ from normal spawning
21:42 Jordach but when i rejoin, the standing anim plays, but doesnt even move
21:42 Jordach im using engine commit 4a95c37
21:42 PilzAdam I noticed that animation is broken sometimes (in the Minetest engine)
21:43 Jordach PilzAdam, the entity will not move until it sees the item it likes to follow
21:43 Jordach the item taking works now
21:44 PilzAdam nope, mobs do start walking when spawned with /spawnentity
21:44 Jordach not for me
21:44 Jordach join me
21:45 Jordach 217.43.25.218:30000
21:45 Jordach its using latest simple mobs
21:45 PilzAdam just tested with a sheep
21:45 Jordach PilzAdam, this is not a sheep btw
21:45 PilzAdam that isnt a problem
21:46 PilzAdam every mob in simple mobs works the same
21:46 Jordach before i could spawn the mob and it would walk normally
21:46 Jordach now it doesnt
21:46 PilzAdam you just need to wait a bit until it starts working
21:46 Jordach the animal flag is set
21:46 Jordach (using LuaJIT)
21:46 PilzAdam just wait a bit
21:47 Jordach spawn time is 22:46 (10 46pm)
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21:57 Kacey codedevil, is your nick pronounced "code devil" or "coded evil"?
21:58 khonkhortisan iamnowhere
21:58 VanessaE does it matter? :)
21:58 khonkhortisan i am now here, i am nowhere
21:59 Jordach PilzAdam, i made a spawner and it works fine
21:59 Jordach but /spawnentity doesnt
21:59 kaeza Kacey, code devil -> Bill Gates, coded evil -> Window$
21:59 Jordach because i heard footsteps as all other mobs are disabled
22:04 codedevil kaeza: your choice ;)
22:04 codedevil I started default world but the earth is all reddish... is that normal?
22:04 Exio disable shaders
22:04 codedevil and lots of: I started default world but the ERROR[main]: generate_shader(): failed to generate "test_shader_1", addHighLevelShaderMaterial failed.earth is all reddish... is that normal?
22:05 Exio RealBadAngel: make shader autodisable when the gpu support is not l33t enough for it
22:05 codedevil that fixed it
22:05 codedevil Exio: good point
22:05 codedevil although this is rather strong GPU, radeon 5xxx series
22:05 Exio intel gpu? open source drivers?
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22:06 codedevil other games have no problem last time I checked
22:06 sapier is there any reson why finite water isn't flowing?
22:06 Exio i have a low end 2012 (rebranded from a 2010 or no idea when) low-end gpu :D
22:07 codedevil it seems I can not bind mouse3 to jump
22:07 sapier ok ok it's flowing ... just very very very slowly
22:08 Exio sapier: make the liquid update lower :P
22:08 Exio 0.2 is the recommended for finite_liquids iirc (1 = default)
22:08 Exio i use 0 anyway :D
22:09 Exio codedevil: keybinds, yep
22:09 codedevil how to increase far distance?
22:09 Exio "far distance"?
22:09 sapier why isn't there a usefull default value set?
22:09 Exio sapier: because the fefault value is for non-finite-liquids
22:09 Exio (useful for it, not finite_liquids)
22:09 Exio s/fef/def/
22:10 codedevil Exio: fog distance
22:10 sapier thats not an explanation ;-P if infinite water is enabled by config setting the default setting could be alterated by that setting too ;-P
22:10 codedevil Exio: I would like to see terrain even 1000 blocks away
22:11 Exio that will kill your gpu but, viewing_range values
22:11 Exio viewing_range_nodes_max = 250
22:11 Exio viewing_range_nodes_min = 200
22:11 Exio my values ^ :P
22:12 codedevil Exio: where?
22:12 Exio codedevil: minetest.conf
22:12 codedevil oki
22:12 codedevil the fog is making dark caves lighted when viewed from distance
22:12 Exio i replaced the fog with blur with a local shader :P
22:13 thexyz PilzAdam: why https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/blob/master/functions.lua#L12
22:13 codedevil also if I look at ground, and then look up, then the brightnes is changing/animating, this looks very distracting
22:14 PilzAdam thexyz, because I only want 0, -1 or 1
22:14 thexyz PilzAdam: you should do that with if's
22:14 Exio if stuff > 0 1
22:14 thexyz it'll be faster
22:14 Exio == 0 0 < -1
22:14 PilzAdam but... but I like math...
22:15 Exio lol
22:15 thexyz you shouldn't
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22:15 sapier in that case you should try to ad exp and sqrt functions too
22:15 Exio sqrt(-1)
22:15 Exio and profit
22:15 Exio :D
22:16 sapier if not crash on sqrt(val) then
22:16 thexyz then try to evaluate 1 / x
22:16 thexyz if it crashes then x == 0
22:19 thexyz PilzAdam: also why don't you check for number being an integer like that math.floor(x)==x
22:19 PilzAdam why are you looking at the code of the carts mod?
22:19 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91948#p91948
22:19 VanessaE \o/
22:20 thexyz PilzAdam: because it's 2:20 am now, I guess
22:21 thexyz meh, that code
22:23 thexyz indeed, you're right
22:23 thexyz i'd better go sleep
22:26 codedevil RealBadAngel: you want to work on portals?
22:29 codedevil to who we report bugs on irc?
22:30 sapier just tell or report on github
22:30 codedevil in github version there is bug in GUI - in editing world options and enabling mods - I get  errors  GUIConfigureWorld: Not allowing focus change     and the GUI is not refreshedc correctly, e.g. there is checkbox enabled shown for a directory, or item that is checked on the left is shown as not checked in the list etc
22:31 sapier hmm I guess that bug won't be fixed anymore as guiconfigure world in it's current state is about to be removed
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22:35 PilzAdam buttons added to redstone in MiniTest!
22:35 PilzAdam only redstone item that has not placeholder graphics
22:36 codedevil the loading process is really really slow
22:36 sapier disable item visual preloading codedevil
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22:40 Uberi OK, I'm about to push the greatest README mankind has ever witnessed
22:40 Uberi I advise you to shield your eyes
22:40 VanessaE Uberi: looky :-)  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91948#p91948
22:41 VanessaE <brag>bumpmapped HDX</brag>
22:41 * Uberi is jelly
22:42 codedevil OH MY GOD
22:42 codedevil that is the ugliest sheep in history of mankind
22:42 Uberi MinetestBot get on this
22:42 Uberi hurry up man
22:42 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: A ReadMe that is at least 2.84 times better than the old ones. 8be0d0e1d9 2013-05-26T15:40:48-07:00 http://git.io/OyifHg
22:42 VanessaE lol
22:42 Uberi 'bout time
22:43 codedevil why it shows it's braced tooth [||||] ?  looks like crossover between sheep, duck and darth vader
22:43 VanessaE codedevil: I'm sure new textures are welcome
22:43 VanessaE if you can do it, then do it :)
22:43 codedevil can I kill sheep?
22:43 Uberi only if your ethics allow it
22:43 codedevil well I hit it and nothing
22:44 Uberi got any screenshots VanessaE?
22:44 Uberi I won't be seeing any bumpmapping myself until my next PC upgrade
22:44 VanessaE yeah, hang on
22:44 codedevil 00:43:57: ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer digs default:leaves at (65,8,-31)
22:44 codedevil 00:44:00: ERROR[ServerThread]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): id=340 m_static_exists=true but static data doesn't actually exist in (12,1,-8)
22:44 codedevil WARNING: StaticObjectList::remove(): id=340 not found
22:44 sapier just ignore
22:44 codedevil when I break trees, with nature mod
22:45 sapier nature mod ;-)
22:45 sapier I don't use nature mod because of it's infinite growth
22:45 Uberi I used nature mod for a while and made the mistake of going AFK
22:45 Uberi the trees set an ambush for me
22:45 Uberi there were no survivors
22:46 VanessaE Uberi: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_3716860301.png  ~~  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_3717351605.png  ~~  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_3717114928.png
22:46 codedevil on ground there are some samplings,  and walking over them is not picking them up
22:46 Uberi aw now you're just showin' off
22:46 VanessaE you asked for screenies :)
22:47 VanessaE codedevil: click them.
22:47 VanessaE dropped items don't automatically pick up
22:47 Uberi you know, I was kind of on the fence about the aesthetics of HD texpacks before
22:47 Uberi but bumpmapping fixed that
22:47 VanessaE hehe
22:47 codedevil uhhh... how to make the crafting box?  not 2x2 wood plank?
22:47 Uberi codedevil: no crafting box
22:47 Uberi just press i to open inventory
22:47 Uberi it's already 3x3
22:47 sapier maybe it's time to think about adding a "high details" mode to minetest ;-)
22:48 codedevil well indeed.. k
22:48 Uberi codedevil: if you like though, there are mods that can change a lot of things to be like Minecraft
22:48 Uberi for example, https://github.com/PilzAdam/item_drop makes items pick up when you walk near them
22:48 codedevil how do I mine sheep
22:48 codedevil :|
22:48 sapier "mine"?
22:49 VanessaE he probably wants to pick them u\
22:49 VanessaE up*
22:49 Uberi yeah you know just extracting that Mutton Ore from them
22:49 sapier if you use mobf for sheep you need a lasso to catch em and scissors to get wool from them
22:49 VanessaE Uberi: but that's dangerous stuff, worse than trilithium resin!
22:49 sapier mobf == animals modpack base
22:50 Uberi dangerous indeed, but doubly delicious
22:50 VanessaE lol
22:50 Uberi "sheep should have a 10% chance of exploding when you hit them" <= I know a good idea when I see one
22:51 VanessaE haha
22:51 FreeFull How hard should they explode?
22:52 Uberi well a 100 block radius should work for a start
22:52 FreeFull How about
22:52 FreeFull 500 blocks
22:52 Uberi even better!
22:52 Kacey 310000 blocks!
22:52 Uberi and 50% of the time they should drop a full stack of diamond blocks for no reason
22:53 FreeFull 20% of the time they should morph into another animal
22:53 Uberi I guess they eat carbon and poop diamonds
22:53 codedevil so there are no mobs that will attack me in night?
22:53 * codedevil would like some challanging game
22:55 FreeFull Remember DMs?
22:55 codedevil ?
22:55 Uberi codedevil: you'll see :)
22:55 Uberi oh and don't walk outside too much at night
22:56 Uberi it's a bad neighborhood out there
22:56 codedevil so far its a boring neighborhood
22:56 codedevil just an ostrich I killed with sword
22:57 Uberi codedevil: wait which mod are you using again?
22:57 Uberi for mobs I mean
22:57 codedevil animals_modpack-2.1.2
22:57 codedevil moreblocks
22:57 codedevil neko259-nature-7666ae41b5dd
22:58 Uberi in that case, look out for DMs underground
22:59 codedevil is there mod with DM on land?  can they be used both?
22:59 Uberi one moment
23:00 Uberi see any vombies around?
23:00 Uberi is it nighttime in game?
23:00 Uberi btw VanessaE I am having trouble reproducing the issue
23:00 Uberi rotating my 3D printer seems to work fine
23:01 codedevil are there biomes or just the gras land?
23:01 Uberi codedevil: yep, there's grass, desert, mountanous
23:01 VanessaE huh.
23:01 Uberi oceanic, etc.
23:01 VanessaE Uberi: I'll check it again later, unless maybe your copy is out of date ;)
23:02 Uberi my version is the definition of bleeding edge :P
23:02 Uberi codedevil: in any case vombies will spawn anywhere that's dark at night
23:03 codedevil from which mod?
23:03 Uberi codedevil: mobf
23:03 Uberi they look sorta like zombies
23:03 Uberi they'll be walking around outside at night
23:04 Uberi that's the most common aboveground one at least
23:04 VanessaE wtf?
23:04 VanessaE JPEG FATAL ERROR: Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x89 0x50
23:04 VanessaE ok, WHICH file was it then?
23:05 Uberi aren't you using pngs?
23:05 VanessaE no, in HDX most are jpg since the engine supports it.
23:05 Uberi whoa jpgs are supported?
23:05 VanessaE or they're SUPPOSED to be :-/
23:05 Uberi I gotta compress all my images
23:05 * VanessaE wonders what she broke
23:06 Uberi VanessaE: go through each jpg and check the magic bytes at the beginning for corruption
23:06 VanessaE me grumbles loudly
23:06 VanessaE /me
23:06 Uberi you can script it
23:06 kahrl start minetest --info --verbose and I think it will print a message when it loads a file
23:06 Uberi I am halfway done the script already anyways
23:06 PilzAdam VanessaE, use the default pack :-p
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23:07 kaeza VanessaE, a simple python script could help with that
23:07 thefamilygrog66 what's happening?
23:07 VanessaE kahrl: ah, that helped.
23:07 kaeza just read the first two bytes and compare ;)
23:07 VanessaE oh, might be my cache
23:08 Uberi you know I can't let good code go to waste: http://www.pasteall.org/42574
23:09 VanessaE oh ffs.
23:09 VanessaE my scaling script is what did it.
23:10 kaeza Uberi, dafuq is that
23:11 * VanessaE feels really stupid.
23:11 Uberi it's code that goes through every jpg in the script folder and checks the magic bytes for corruption
23:11 Uberi oh I forgot the recursive flag
23:12 Uberi nvm, ignore the code
23:12 kaeza Uberi, I mean, what lang?
23:12 Uberi oh, it's AHK
23:12 Uberi same language I wrote MeseconEdit in :)
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23:22 VanessaE sorry for the fuckup, guys...I'll have the files fixed in git in about 15 mins
23:23 VanessaE (you'll want to re-clone, this requires overwriting the git history)
23:23 Uberi hdx?
23:23 VanessaE yeah
23:23 VanessaE I screwed up my scaling script a while back but didn't catch the error until now.
23:28 VanessaE there, 64px is fixed.
23:28 VanessaE the others are still uploading
23:28 VanessaE (16 and 32px sizes were not affected)
23:29 VanessaE 128px up.
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23:31 VanessaE 256px is up.
23:32 PilzAdam do you continue this until 4096?
23:32 VanessaE nope.
23:32 VanessaE I won't go above 512.
23:32 PilzAdam why?
23:32 Uberi no, the highest resolution is 4294967296
23:32 PilzAdam ultra HD is fun
23:32 VanessaE because anything higher truly is overkill
23:32 VanessaE plus my machine couldn't handle it anyway :P
23:33 Uberi every texture is 55340232221128654848 bytes
23:33 VanessaE heh
23:34 Uberi this is assuming 24bit color, of course, with no padding
23:35 khonkhortisan You can store extra bits per pixel and hide stuff in the image
23:35 Uberi the parity of each byte could store a bit of data
23:36 Uberi the encrypted data would appear as uniform noise, making it difficult to identify
23:36 Uberi but not impossible
23:37 VanessaE or just sero out every byte's LSb and use those bits to store the data
23:37 VanessaE zero*
23:37 VanessaE s/byte/pixel/
23:37 Uberi that works too
23:37 Uberi but you store 3x less data
23:37 Uberi if by pixel rather than by byte
23:38 VanessaE so use the least bit of each pixel's color component
23:38 VanessaE encrypt the data, store it, no one would be the wiser
23:39 Uberi but statistical analysis shows that your image has uniformly random data in the LSB of each byte
23:39 VanessaE good point
23:39 VanessaE of course, most images would have that anyway
23:40 VanessaE you could salt it maybe
23:40 VanessaE or alternate between the lowest bit and the second-lowest by some defined formula
23:40 Uberi nah, lots of images have normal distributions for those sorts of things
23:41 khonkhortisan http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=17
23:41 Uberi oh man that one was my favourite entry of all time
23:44 VanessaE there, and 512px is up, that should fix them all.
23:44 codedevil Loaded mesh: npc_character.b3d
23:44 codedevil JPEG FATAL ERROR: Wrong JPEG library version: library is 80, caller expects 62
23:44 codedevil 01:44:05: ERROR[main]: Client: Cannot create image from data of file "animal_dm_mesh2.jpg"
23:44 codedevil Unsupported texture format
23:44 codedevil on debian 6
23:45 VanessaE brb
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23:46 VanessaE bah.  pain in my ass.
23:46 khonkhortisan I get Unsupported texture format also.
23:46 VanessaE xfce went full retard.
23:46 VanessaE codedevil, khonkhortisan:  everyone gets that error
23:46 Uberi dang stupid library version incompatibilities
23:48 codedevil ah
23:48 codedevil well will the DM monster work?
23:48 codedevil is it ok to use finite fluids..? the ocean is strange looking with it
23:50 Uberi codedevil: yes the DM should work
23:53 codedevil question to who ever made the code that shows torches attached to walls
23:54 codedevil did you ever heard of bitboarding ;)
23:55 daspork yeah that person is a jerk.... what were they thinking donating their time!
23:56 codedevil yea
23:58 VanessaE kaeza: *poke*
23:58 kaeza wha
23:58 Exio hi
23:58 kaeza sup Exio
23:58 Exio nothing
23:58 VanessaE just a random poke, I need another tweak to homedecor :P
23:58 kaeza VanessaE, any problems with signs?
23:59 Exio does anyone here want to write an essay for me
23:59 kaeza heh
23:59 VanessaE not that I've noticed, but...
23:59 codedevil on what server are you all playing? or just local?
23:59 VanessaE can you make signs-with-fences extend to connect to neighboring fences?
23:59 Exio i don't play MT tbh
23:59 khonkhortisan I'm playing on VE's server
23:59 Exio because i like multiplayer but with my network it is impossible
23:59 Exio mc works way better thanks to the bunch of client-side prediction :(
23:59 kaeza Exio, code that n MT
23:59 kaeza in*

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