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01:00 iqualfragile thexyz: basicly you would need to remove your use of numpy.matrix from onomatopoeia
01:03 iqualfragile wich seems to be more or less impossible
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01:04 * ShadowNinja would love that mapper if it was faster. C/C++ version?
01:05 iqualfragile no, its not impossible, the numpy.dot method could be used
01:05 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: if that is changed it will run about half as fast as c
01:07 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: If what is changed? Something to make the python version faster?
01:07 PilzAdam bye
01:07 iqualfragile something to make the python version compatible to a much faster optimizing interpreter
01:07 iqualfragile i am trying to do that right now
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01:17 iqualfragile ok, i got it to do *something*
01:19 iqualfragile thexyz: if it works i will hand you a patch, i think it makes sense to adapt it to pypy as pure python is painfully slow
01:20 iqualfragile it actualy looks like the pictures produced would look valid
01:21 * sokomine looks around a bit
01:21 iqualfragile i am benchmarking to see how big the difference is right now but it seems like onomatopoeia would support pypy now
01:22 Miner_48er sokomine
01:22 sokomine ah! there you are. you must have been hidden amongst all those users :-)
01:23 RealBadAngel http://imgur.com/a/Eq09o#0
01:23 RealBadAngel some more work on shaders, ive added kinda specular effect
01:23 sokomine ok. can you state your problem, miner? there are a lot of developers here who might even be convinced to introduce another callback or know a better solution
01:23 sokomine i don't quite get what you aim at, miner, so please tell us that first :-)
01:26 Miner_48er I need a on_rightclick equilivilant of digger:get_player_name()
01:27 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix nearly all warnings d00e8bd31a 2013-05-19T18:26:56-07:00 http://git.io/C3UHcg
01:27 ShadowNinja Miner_48er: player:get_player_name()
01:27 ShadowNinja \o/
01:31 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix lava damage on player's upper body 981c6c9bf2 2013-05-19T18:29:49-07:00 http://git.io/bU9hUA
01:32 sokomine or clicker:get_player_name()  but if that really answers the question?
01:35 Miner_48er thanks i'll try those
01:35 iqualfragile thexyz: going to sleep now, posting benchmark results later today
02:01 Kacey night all
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02:24 mrtux hi
02:24 mrtux how do you enable listings on servers.minetest.net?
02:51 VanessaE http://minetest.net/servers  <-- bottom of the page.
02:51 VanessaE "Announcing Servers"
02:52 VanessaE put those lines in your minetest.conf for your server, tweaked as needed for your preferences.
02:57 mrtux aight
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03:01 mineroflands wassup peeps
03:01 mineroflands hi oldcoder :D
03:01 mineroflands the server runs fast even WorldEdit runs smoothly
03:02 mineroflands damm this thing is dead
03:03 OldCoder mineroflands, Hi
03:03 OldCoder Really? with 512MB?
03:03 mineroflands yeah
03:03 * OldCoder is surprised
03:03 OldCoder It's good to hear this
03:04 OldCoder The engine may have improved
03:04 mineroflands loaded a schematic of 52mb in like 15 sec
03:04 OldCoder !
03:04 OldCoder On *that* system?
03:04 OldCoder Very well
03:04 mineroflands yeah
03:04 OldCoder The hangups for interactive
03:04 OldCoder are something besides RAM then
03:04 mineroflands i still need to try to load a schem that is over 100 mb
03:04 mineroflands cause on my pc
03:04 OldCoder That may be a problem
03:04 mineroflands it says "out of memory"
03:05 mineroflands gotta see what the server says
03:06 mineroflands sfan5....are you gonna continue working on your mc to mt script for Mcedit?
03:06 mineroflands cause not all blocks are loaded
03:07 VanessaE bbl
03:08 mineroflands VanessaE unban me common
03:08 mineroflands lol
03:08 mineroflands its like 4 hours away
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05:30 Miner_48er any linux users?
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06:32 sfan5 hi
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09:08 deasanta something / ...one may be attacking minetest servers - see metacraft sandbox in server list (210/250 users)
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09:13 Calinou le me mining in minecraft, le me sees a bat, le me is scared
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09:19 john_minetest -Qui parle francais? -Je! Je!
09:25 Calinou lol
09:25 * Calinou has 1161 HP in candy box
09:25 Calinou and 34 candies/sec
09:30 sfan5 !up uplink.io
09:30 MinetestBot uplink.io:30000 is up (0.152s)
09:34 deasanta something / ...one may be attacking minetest servers - see metacraft sandbox in server list (209/250 users)
09:34 deasanta thats uplink.io
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10:17 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:17 john_minetest hi PilzAdam
10:17 VanessaE hi
10:18 deasanta hi
10:19 deasanta is something / ...one may be attacking minetest servers - see metacraft sandbox in server list (209/250 users) ?
10:19 john_minetest I will join and look
10:19 deasanta tnx
10:20 john_minetest It takes quite long to connect.
10:20 deasanta how may online players did it show in the multiplayer tab?
10:20 deasanta i had something attack my server today and it created around 200 users
10:21 john_minetest 209 in the MP tab
10:21 deasanta in a matter of 1 minute
10:21 deasanta http://minetest.net/servers - shows 205
10:24 john_minetest http://servers.minetest.net/ is the one used in the MP tab.
10:25 deasanta from my logs today : "13:48:53: ACTION[ServerThread]: qeEX8q4pqX3a1jxV5ej times out. List of players: BXuSiAkjFC8BfSWAUSu tumacho2121 Nanoo
10:25 deasanta on_newplayer"
10:25 john_minetest VanessaE: Were ALL train tracks replaced by streets or are there still minecart tracks somewhere?
10:26 john_minetest On your server
10:26 VanessaE john_minetest: they weren't so much replaced by streets as just never rebuilt, but there are some around.  You can of course build more if you want.
10:26 deasanta yes - my server also had 200+ users on it and their names were similar to this qeEX8q4pqX3a1jxV5ej
10:27 deasanta could be a client logon go wrong
10:27 john_minetest VanessaE: Okay, I will look for some :)
10:29 john_minetest http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pasties/store/12659/soyuz.png </random_render>
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10:35 Calinou sabayon has blender in its repos?
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10:35 Calinou deasanta: it's be nice if minetest had join flood prevention, +1 :P
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10:56 john_minetest Calinou: sabayon's pastebin is the only site for picture upload that works for me.
10:57 Calinou :P
10:57 Calinou are the pastes permanent?
10:59 deasanta Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.
10:59 john_minetest no, you can choose.
10:59 john_minetest one week to one year.
10:59 john_minetest *one day to one year
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11:25 john_minetest I think i should leave a few channels. 7 are way too much :D
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11:28 kahrl 7 are way too few :P
11:29 * PilzAdam has 8
11:29 * kahrl had around 50 open at one point
11:29 VanessaE 3.
11:29 kahrl then I realized I don't read most of them and now I'm at 14
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11:38 VanessaE 14?  way too many
11:40 john_minetest 3 channels of 7 left after leaving the ones where nothing happens.
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12:38 VanessaE sfan5: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91000#p91000
12:39 sfan5 VanessaE: that weird
12:39 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Use the group "soil" for nodes that saplings grow on 127c488355 2013-05-20T04:43:13-07:00 http://git.io/3vUcwQ
12:39 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest_game: Add the soil group d015f0e2e6 2013-05-20T05:38:51-07:00 http://git.io/WvFKlw
12:39 VanessaE sfan5: that was the result of a routine move:  //pos1,  //pos2,  //move z -1
12:40 Exio 1 windows used (0 vertically / 0 horizontally split). 95 (of which 3 merged) buffers open: 1 core, 1 python, 3 irc servers, 7 irc queries, 83 irc channels
12:40 Exio channels here ^
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12:41 Exio i actually read only 15~20 of them, 15 idle channels, and the rest are channels like ##linux, #gentoo, etc where i read normally but never say anything, just because you may see useful info in those channels :P
12:41 Draecal hi, does this game requires Java to be installed, or just Directx?
12:42 Exio it doens't need java or directx
12:42 Exio Draecal: and, spanish? :P
12:42 Draecal Español?
12:42 Exio argentino aca ;P
12:43 Draecal perdon, es la costumbre de hablar siempre inglés
12:43 Draecal ^_^
12:44 VanessaE sfan5: I just repeated the move command and got the same sort of result as before.
12:44 VanessaE it destroyed the region I tried to move, and it was just dirt and stone.
12:44 sfan5 really weird
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12:45 VanessaE are you up-to-date with uberi's last commit?
12:45 VanessaE (the one that was supposed to fix //move leaving stuff behind)
12:48 sfan5 no, I don't think I am
12:48 VanessaE try that
12:49 sfan5 ok
12:55 VanessaE <sfan5>  holy shit, that's busted badly
12:55 VanessaE ;)
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12:59 Draecal hi, need some help running Minetest under Windows
13:00 Draecal i need to know what requirements does it need, like Directx, Java, Microsoft c++, etc
13:02 VanessaE you should just need directx and openal I think
13:02 VanessaE definitely NOT jaba
13:02 VanessaE java*
13:02 Kacey DirectX or OpenGL will work and OpenAL for sound
13:02 VanessaE and not MS C++ if you are just running a prebuilt copy
13:02 PilzAdam Draecal, just download it, unzip and run
13:02 PilzAdam come back if it doesnt work
13:03 Draecal i've tried to run it several times with no results
13:03 VanessaE define "no results"
13:04 Draecal it open a black console windows for a few seconds, then it close, thats all
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13:04 VanessaE find debug.txt in your minetest folder and pastebin whatever error messages you find there
13:04 Draecal ok, i'll check ir
13:05 PilzAdam debug.txt is usually in the bin/ folder
13:05 Draecal it*
13:05 TheNewWorldofWin Guys, is anyone else having issues connecting to the metacraft server?
13:05 VanessaE PilzAdam: strange place for it?
13:05 PilzAdam hm?
13:05 VanessaE TheNewWorldofWin: it's being attacked, apparently.
13:06 VanessaE PilzAdam: nevermind, I forget that run-in-place builds are layed out differently.
13:06 TheNewWorldofWin No shit? Great. No wonder why I spawned in greyness. Is that why 135 people are on?
13:06 VanessaE laid*
13:06 VanessaE TheNewWorldofWin: yeah.
13:06 Draecal Debug.txt is not found
13:07 PilzAdam VanessaE, you should know where things are when supporting a windows build user ;-)
13:07 PilzAdam Draecal, ok, try running Minetest from cmd
13:07 VanessaE PilzAdam: :P  Windows is obsolete anyway ;D
13:07 Kacey Draecal, did you unzip the .zip folder?
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13:07 TheNewWorldofWin I came to think that a small group of people like this would be loyal to a game. All of our info is protected though correct?
13:07 Draecal i use the installer
13:07 VanessaE TheNewWorldofWin: protected enough, yes.
13:07 VanessaE Draecal: whose build are you using?
13:08 Kacey i never used the installer... i would just download and extract the .zip
13:08 PilzAdam Draecal, well, the installer is experimental and nobody except the author knows how it works
13:08 Draecal o.4.6
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13:08 Draecal oks, so i'll try the ZIP
13:09 zRokh hi
13:09 TheNewWorldofWin @PilzAdam I downloaded the Minitest mod/game from the forums this morning and installed it to the bin/folder, like you said. Now, everytime I try to launch, It fails. Why?
13:09 PilzAdam wut? you should install it in the games/ folder
13:11 TheNewWorldofWin Alright, will try that. Must have read the description wrong.
13:12 zRokh hi Pilzie :D
13:12 zRokh or Pilzy...
13:12 zRokh what ever pulls your leavers...
13:12 TheNewWorldofWin @Pilzadam. It gave me the same message. Failed to load. ModError.
13:13 PilzAdam can you post some information from debug.txt?
13:13 PilzAdam (in a pastebin)
13:13 PilzAdam the last ~50 lines of it
13:13 zRokh hey Pilzy :D
13:13 Draecal T.T nothing guys i've tried v.0.4.6 and v.0.4.5 with no results again
13:14 Kacey bbl
13:14 Draecal and there is no debug.txt
13:14 TheNewWorldofWin @PilzAdam Where is the Debug.txt? It is not in my minitest folder.
13:15 VanessaE PilzAdam: mayve he has a build that had debugging turned off by default?
13:15 PilzAdam it should be in your minetest directory in the bin folder
13:15 zRokh who knows stuff about india?
13:15 PilzAdam VanessaE, if minetest doesnt start at all then it doesnt generate a debug.xt
13:15 PilzAdam *txt
13:15 zRokh .xtf**
13:15 PilzAdam Draecal, try running it from cmd
13:15 zRokh :O
13:17 PilzAdam Draecal, also, what OS do you use?
13:17 Draecal nothing
13:17 Draecal XP SP3
13:17 Draecal 256 Graphics card
13:17 TheNewWorldofWin Hey, How do you want the debug. txt?
13:17 Draecal 2GB RAM
13:17 PilzAdam TheNewWorldofWin, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073
13:18 zRokh TheNewWorldofWin: Plain... Possibly empty?
13:18 PilzAdam Draecal, whats the output of cmd if you try to run it there?
13:18 Draecal no output
13:18 PilzAdam thats strange
13:19 VanessaE not even an 'illegal operation' or so?
13:19 Draecal no
13:19 Draecal nothing
13:19 zRokh bye
13:19 Draecal i have everything updated
13:19 Draecal latest drivers
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13:21 PilzAdam Draecal, can you run other Irrlicht apps?
13:21 Draecal i didn't try, what ones can i test?
13:22 PilzAdam ehm... maybe search for compiled Irrlicht examplese
13:22 PilzAdam -e
13:23 Draecal hey!! what about .NET Framework needed?
13:24 qwebirc176884 I am posting the topic about my bug report right now. Will be up in a few minutes.
13:24 qwebirc176884 Oh, My name changed. I am TheNewWorldofWin.
13:24 PilzAdam qwebirc176884, you dont need to create a new topic
13:25 PilzAdam just give me the link to a pastebin with your debug.txt here
13:25 qwebirc176884 How do I do that?
13:25 PilzAdam http://pastebin.com/
13:27 qwebirc176884 Do you just need everything under the Seperator or all of it?
13:28 PilzAdam all of it
13:33 qwebirc176884 OK well, I have posted it, waiting for the page to load and I will give you a link.
13:34 qwebirc176884 No actually, No link. It says I exceeded the maximum of 500 KB. So, do you just want everything from today?
13:35 qwebirc176884 Are you there Pilzadam?
13:36 PilzAdam did you follow the HowTo? (i.e. delete debug.txt and start minetest again and reproduce the bug)
13:36 qwebirc176884 No let me do that.
13:36 VanessaE bbl
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13:37 qwebirc176884 No, I get the same error.
13:38 PilzAdam of course
13:38 PilzAdam but now your debug.txt only contains the useful information
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13:39 * OldCoder will be here for the day in an hour
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13:39 OldCoder iqualfragile, wb. I will be online in an hour.
13:39 iqualfragile good afternoon
13:40 qwebirc176884 http://pastebin.com/i75Ne0m1 There is my error report.
13:41 PilzAdam rename the game folder to just "MiniTest" and try again
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13:43 qwebirc176884 It didnt work. Bug report upcoming.
13:45 qwebirc176884 http://pastebin.com/ThXsUD7A NEW Bug report.
13:46 PilzAdam seems like a bug in jojoa's version of MiniTest
13:46 qwebirc176884 How can it be fixed?
13:47 PilzAdam maybe try to delete the creativechanger mod in it
13:47 PilzAdam or use the other version of MiniTest (see the forum topic)
13:47 iqualfragile i would rather delete the whole creativechanger modfolder
13:52 MinetestBot GIT: russplaysguitar commited to minetest/minetest: Fix link in minetest.conf.example 1ba1fb42a4 2013-05-20T06:51:21-07:00 http://git.io/n6SXxg
13:52 qwebirc176884 Well, it worked kinda. I got into the game but there is nothing different about.
13:55 qwebirc176884 Any ideas?
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14:06 MinetestBot GIT: elagin commited to minetest/minetest: Save settings after dropping main menu c135e9c7d4 2013-05-20T07:03:48-07:00 http://git.io/s_vRMQ
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14:10 TheNewWorldofWin OK so do we know how to fix my Minitest pack?
14:11 TheNewWorldofWin Are you the PilzAdam?
14:11 PilzAdam hm?
14:12 TheNewWorldofWin Yeah remember just a few minutes ago, I was telling you my Minitest pack was not working properly.
14:12 PilzAdam well, ask jojoa
14:12 TheNewWorldofWin Hes not on.
14:13 TheNewWorldofWin Is there another version of Minitest?
14:14 PilzAdam yes
14:14 PilzAdam I already told you to try it
14:14 TheNewWorldofWin OK, could you link me to it?
14:15 PilzAdam no
14:15 PilzAdam I have better things to do
14:25 MinetestBot GIT: metaducky AT gmail DOT com commited to minetest/minetest: Fix typo in particle spawning 5e80df46b8 2013-05-20T07:24:07-07:00 http://git.io/U64rMQ
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14:29 TheNewWorldofWin @Pilz Adam So yeah, I went to download your version of minitest then relised that that was the version I originally downloaded.
14:30 TheNewWorldofWin PILZ!
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14:34 john_minetest TheNewWorldofWin: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2589
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14:49 Zeg9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/157
14:50 PilzAdam you should use the one from the website
14:50 Zeg9 Oh, ok
14:53 Zeg9 PilzAdam: not sure about the license
14:53 PilzAdam WTFPL IIRC its from BlockMen
14:53 RealBadAngel hi all
14:54 PilzAdam Zeg9, you dont need to udpate the pull request
14:54 PilzAdam its easier if I push it directly
14:54 Zeg9 A bit too late...
14:55 Zeg9 Hi, RealBadAngel
15:00 iqualfragile hi rba
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15:13 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Add menu_header.png and remove old, unused textures c67f72890c 2013-05-20T08:04:00-07:00 http://git.io/gk_xxA
15:15 MinetestBot GIT: Zeg9 commited to minetest/minetest_game: Add header.png c1cd24c378 2013-05-20T07:52:25-07:00 http://git.io/tK8kfw
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15:32 webdesigner97 hi all!
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15:38 rubenwardy Hi All
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15:40 MasterBot heya
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15:48 rubenwardy Apparently having a comic makes a server popular: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6053
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15:53 Calinou having a show would be even better
15:54 Calinou anyway, lol
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16:04 Jordach sunrise test will have its final sunset
16:04 Jordach traxie is leaving
16:04 rubenwardy hmm
16:04 rubenwardy lol
16:04 PilzAdam VanessaE, can you draw wheat textures? 8 growing steps or so
16:04 Jordach PilzAdam, better: get her to take some pictures then draw it
16:05 PilzAdam VanessaE, also bread, seeds and flour
16:06 markveidemanis Who can point me to some functional python Tkinter examples?
16:08 PilzAdam VanessaE, oh, and the wheat item itself
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16:09 Jordach markveidemanis, #python
16:09 Jordach or gtfo
16:09 Jordach or quiet
16:09 Jordach ed*
16:09 Jordach or kicked
16:10 Jordach choose your destiny
16:10 markveidemanis It is to go to see the sun
16:10 PilzAdam not quited or kicked
16:10 PilzAdam kickban
16:11 * Jordach has almost finished UV
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16:14 PilzAdam VanessaE, well, I only need the 8 growing steps and maybe seeds
16:18 Jordach is Taoki about?
16:20 Jordach also:
16:20 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/BEEk1kr.png
16:20 Jordach she's almost done! :D
16:23 iqualfragile Jordach: i am *quite* shure that you want to rethink your uv-unwraping
16:23 Jordach iqualfragile, white = do not touch
16:23 NakedFury that huge texture map is looking too extreme
16:23 Jordach blame my lazyness with smart uv
16:23 Jordach but its better than the useless original UV map
16:24 Jordach (eg, it was perfectly symmetrical, but has no facial features.)
16:24 Jordach i went for the latter
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16:33 john_minetest Lol. I was so confused because Jordach said "markveidemanis, #python". I was looking for the reason all the time. And now I just remembered that I muted him.
16:34 john_minetest Jordach: This 3d model looks awesome.
16:34 Jordach john_minetest, far better than the uv i was using before: no more "green eyes"
16:35 Jordach she's at action figure point: posable, and usable
16:35 Jordach but not usable in that sense
16:35 Jordach :P
16:36 john_minetest Is she already shaded smooth? Looks like but I am not sure.
16:37 Jordach she wasnt in that view
16:41 Calinou there is no shading in minetest :P
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16:42 Mati^1 hi
16:43 markveidemanis Hi Mati¹
16:59 khonkhortisan You made a ¹
17:00 PilzAdam kaeza, could you make it more clear that your firearms mod does not run in 0.4.6 stable?
17:01 kaeza PilzAdam, I thought I did that... hmm...
17:01 PilzAdam or tell your users to not PM _me_ when they have problems with it
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17:02 john_minetest Lol, I am bored and I wrote an alternate text for "May the circle be unbroken".
17:04 john_minetest It is mainly about compiling...
17:04 kaeza PilzAdam, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65900#p65900
17:04 PilzAdam a bit more red... and a bit bigger... and a bit more blinky
17:04 kaeza lol
17:04 kaeza and why would anyone PM you about it?
17:06 PilzAdam From: "themaxstel6" Subject: " The Mod of firearms of Kaeza" Content: "Hi, I need your help with a firearmslib error of the firearms of kaeza mod is hud_set_flags error, how to fix it? please help me, I have the version 0.4.6-2 of minetest"
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17:08 FourFire Hello
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17:14 FourFire So does anyone know whether this clone has Cubic chunks integration, or is it as true a copy of Default minecraft as possible?
17:15 PilzAdam Minetest is not a copy of Minecraft
17:15 PilzAdam its a completly different game
17:15 PilzAdam the only thing both have in common is the "style"
17:16 john_minetest Like Operation Flashpoint and Xonotic are FPS but completely different.
17:17 FourFire fantastic
17:18 FourFire so how are blocks of data handled?
17:18 PilzAdam the world is saved in Mapblocks wich consist of 16x16x16 nodes
17:18 PilzAdam *saved and generated
17:19 kahrl node = what is called block in minecraft
17:19 Calinou lol "this clone", troll spotted
17:20 Calinou FourFire: databases
17:20 kahrl Calinou: well minetest is a clone of minetest-c55 :P
17:20 Calinou sqlite
17:20 FourFire I'm sorry I came directly from the MCF where it was referred to as such
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17:22 lacrosseplayer Derp
17:24 Calinou lol
17:25 MasterBot joined #minetest
17:25 MasterBot Hi
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17:25 MasterBot Hi rubenwardy
17:25 rubenwardy hi
17:26 john_minetest hi rubenwardy
17:26 MasterBot I bet you can guess who this is
17:26 MasterBot Im using a tkinter client...
17:26 MasterBot 3 Years old...
17:26 MasterBot apparently made by aperture science the cake is a lie
17:27 markveidemanis oops
17:28 PilzAdam markveidemanis, note that this is not a test channel for clients
17:28 markveidemanis Its perfectly good, i just closed the console accidentally
17:30 FourFire Note: I keep getting warnings upon trying to access the site https://www.stopbadware.org/firefox?hl=en-US&amp;url=http%253A%252F%252Fminetest.net%252F
17:32 sapier FourFIre ... I don't know of any malware on minetest.net
17:33 FourFire ok, well, I'm just saying that I got two warnings from Firefox
17:33 Jordach FourFire, that warning is bullshit
17:33 FourFire who would want to obstruct someone's site like that?
17:34 Jordach FourFire, false reports do exist
17:34 Jordach usually on open source projects
17:34 sapier probably someone feeling not loved enough from minetest community ;-)
17:34 Jordach probably filed by mojang
17:34 Jordach with money behind the counter
17:36 Exio what is an opensource project
17:36 Exio >:D
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17:37 * VanessaE is back
17:38 * Calinou was front
17:39 kaeza rule 34?
17:40 VanessaE kaeza: locked signs? ;)
17:40 VanessaE (and whoever came up with rule 34 should be shot.)
17:41 kaeza VanessaE, locked signs: SOONâ„¢
17:41 VanessaE just kidding :)
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17:42 kaeza VanessaE, I slept from about 14:00 yesterday to about 13:30 today
17:42 VanessaE wow
17:42 kaeza that's a record for me
17:42 VanessaE wht made you so tired?
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17:42 VanessaE what*
17:43 kaeza 3 days barely sleeping
17:43 VanessaE that would do it.
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17:45 kaeza VanessaE, have you tried that commit?
17:45 VanessaE which?
17:46 kaeza https://github.com/kaeza/homedecor/commit/618aa5f167290a4eeffebcaee227ae3453ae8945
17:46 VanessaE oh, no not yet
17:47 kaeza I should note that Zeg9's protector is not compatible with glmie's one in this respect
17:47 kaeza apparently it defines no isprotect() function
17:47 Jordach VanessaE, seen my progress?
17:48 VanessaE Jordach: yes, looking good
17:48 Jordach VanessaE, better than the last mesh
17:48 VanessaE also, New build: c67f7289[...]
17:50 VanessaE kaeza: adding it now.
17:52 PilzAdam VanessaE, have you read the logs?
17:53 Zeg9 kaeza: it is ment to replace it, since glomie wasn't updating his mod
17:54 kaeza Zeg9, see my comment
17:54 Jordach anyways, i solved the legs issue for my model, bone 0 was using other parts of the mesh incorrectly
17:54 kaeza glomie's one provided an isprotect() function
17:54 kaeza to check area ownership from other mods
17:54 Zeg9 Mine is protector.can_dig or something like that
17:54 VanessaE PilzAdam: yeah I saw, sorry I don't have time to work on any new textures righ tnw
17:54 VanessaE right now*
17:55 Jordach VanessaE, you my model. well, i worked out why it bugged
17:55 Zeg9 you could do if protector then <code for mine> else <code for glomie's> end
17:55 Jordach in minetest
17:55 Jordach its not meant for the player!
17:55 VanessaE btw, I love the bobbing when switching items
17:55 Zeg9 kaeza: I could make a compatibility module...
17:55 Jordach VanessaE, it's like picking up a dropped tool
17:57 kaeza Zeg9, thanks. I will add support for that to homedecor
17:57 Zeg9 kaeza: I don't have access to glomie's protector so I can't do it yet
17:58 Zeg9 Do you have any link to it ? ompldr is down again...
17:58 kaeza nope, sorry
17:59 Zeg9 Ok, never mind then
17:59 kaeza don't worry about it. it's easy to add support in homedecor
17:59 Calinou <kaeza> VanessaE, I slept from about 14:00 yesterday to about 13:30 today
17:59 Calinou remove "yesterday" and "today"
17:59 Calinou :P
17:59 VanessaE heh
18:00 kaeza (and naming it protector.can_dig is cleaner than isprotect)
18:00 kaeza Calinou, I slept from about 14:00 to about 13:30, I'm a timelord
18:01 Calinou +1 for seperating words with _
18:01 * Calinou hates variable names like "animationinterpolationtime"
18:01 Calinou (there's one named like that in sauerbraten/red eclipse/tesseract :P)
18:01 kaeza Calinou, strcpy, strcat, itoa :/
18:01 kaeza ...
18:02 * Zeg9 thinks this is ok for things that fit everywhere
18:02 kaeza char s[10]; copy_string_to_buffer_from_static_string(s, "Hello!");
18:02 kaeza :D
18:03 kaeza ^ Allegro's way of naming functions
18:03 Zeg9 Oh, great. Thought this was a joke...
18:03 Zeg9 At least, you really know what it does
18:04 kaeza Zeg9, http://alleg.sourceforge.net/stabledocs/en/alleg014.html#pivot_scaled_sprite_v_flip_trans
18:04 Jordach anyways, Taoki you here
18:07 rubenwardy bye all
18:13 * Zeg9 is leaving
18:13 Zeg9 Cya everyone
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18:19 Jordach quick blender render: http://i.imgur.com/XUJmOsf.png
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18:27 Jordach PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/uRZJcK4.png
18:28 Jordach Taoki, welcome back
18:28 sfan5 Jordach: heres the translation http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=89934#p89934
18:28 Jordach fuck me
18:28 Jordach not literally
18:29 * sfan5 was just thinking..
18:29 Jordach nope.avi
18:29 sfan5 the spotify web player lags..
18:30 Jordach sfan5, use the client
18:30 sfan5 (lag = <sound> <nothing for 0.1 secs> <sound>
18:30 Jordach works for me on windows
18:30 Jordach )*
18:30 sfan5 the linux client looks ugly
18:30 Jordach sfan5, it worked for me in xfce4
18:30 Jordach the only bug was i couldnt maximise it
18:31 Jordach sfan5, http://open.spotify.com/track/3mWoMjYKJkDHkCvc61F7l0
18:32 sfan5 spotify doesn't open spotify urls in the desktop client #FAIL
18:32 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Dont animate changing wielditem from hand to hand e57dc4ef18 2013-05-20T11:31:38-07:00 http://git.io/hpyvbw
18:32 Jordach well fuck
18:32 VanessaE sfan5: did you manage to reproduce the issue I mentioned?
18:33 sfan5 VanessaE: haven't tried it yet, been busy
18:33 VanessaE oh ok
18:33 VanessaE no worries
18:33 sfan5 i'll try it now
18:34 * Jordach turns the headset upto 11
18:36 sfan5 VanessaE: ..
18:36 VanessaE hm?
18:36 sfan5 VanessaE: I don't even need to try it, the //move command was forced to NOT use the queue even if it was enabled because It'd mess up since the quene reverses the order of actions
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18:37 Jordach sfan5, flip the order
18:37 sfan5 nope.pmg
18:37 sfan5 *png
18:37 sfan5 won't work
18:37 Jordach .avi*
18:37 VanessaE sfan5: ok
18:38 VanessaE New build: e57dc4ef[...]
18:38 sfan5 removing/prepending an element from/into a table at position 0 takes 10 years if the table is big
18:38 sfan5 ^ Jordach
18:38 Jordach LuaJIT
18:38 sfan5 still takes way too long
18:38 VanessaE sfan5: let me know when an update is made and I'll give it a try here.
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18:42 BlockMen PilzAdam, why is a warning shown now when a costum mod overrides a default one?
18:42 PilzAdam http://dev.minetest.net/Mod_name_conflicts
18:45 BlockMen well, how can mods override than default mods without getting warning?
18:46 BlockMen *then
18:46 PilzAdam dunno, ask kahrl
18:46 BlockMen kahrl, you are up here?
18:47 PilzAdam BlockMen, btw, #minetest-de
18:50 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix //move again a1dcc43210 2013-05-20T11:48:12-07:00 http://git.io/pXWYpQ
18:50 sfan5 ^ VanessaE
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18:54 VanessaE yay!
18:55 VanessaE sfan5: it's in.  kaeza, your homedecor commit is also if you wanna try it out.
18:56 VanessaE sfan5: seems to work properly now.  thanks!
18:57 sfan5 VanessaE: it just works properly because it doesn't use the queue
18:57 VanessaE right
18:57 VanessaE I wonder, it worked before uberi's commit - I wonder if the clean-up steps just needed to be enqueued?
18:58 PilzAdam VanessaE, just a side note: the only thing that is missing in farming for upstream are the textures
18:58 VanessaE PilzAdam: not using the ones you've had until now?
18:59 Jordach oh look, decent minetest_game content
18:59 PilzAdam the farming mod has only 4 growing states and the textures RealBadAngel gave me are copied from Minecraft
18:59 Calinou minetest_game will have a 4 hour life span and DLC
18:59 VanessaE ahh
18:59 Calinou like crysis 3
18:59 Calinou by the way, it would be nice if /all/ plants had 4 states
18:59 VanessaE well I'll see what I can do tomorrow then
18:59 PilzAdam I also need seed textures for cotton and wheat
18:59 * Calinou is a maniac and hates having 3 states for some plants and 4 for others
19:00 Calinou including, why not saplings? :P
19:00 PilzAdam because the textures I have currently make it impossible to read the item count
19:00 Jordach ^ first world problems right there
19:00 VanessaE can you shoot me an forum PM so I don't forget?
19:00 * sfan5 just looked at C++11 and likes "New string literals" and "User-defined literals"
19:00 Calinou echo "thing" >> TODO
19:00 Calinou :P
19:00 Calinou sfan5, that's C++11
19:00 Calinou how do you think you can kill AMD? 8)
19:00 BlockMen PilzAdam, btw...you should use the potatoes as seeds for poataoes, not poatatoe seeds
19:00 PilzAdam VanessaE, me?
19:00 VanessaE PilzAdam: yeah
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19:01 Calinou "we need more baked potatoes" --geartrooper
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19:12 VanessaE Calinou: "Try disabling shaders."  <-- that's becoming the "It could be lupus." of minetest ;)
19:13 PilzAdam VanessaE, its the new "Disable the texture atlas"
19:13 VanessaE right :D
19:13 VanessaE "Try blue!  It's the new red!"
19:13 kaeza Pokemon approves
19:14 Calinou "try going to your local store then buy a decent graphics card" would work too
19:14 Calinou 8)
19:15 VanessaE kaeza: come to my server to give your commit a try :)
19:15 VanessaE (the fences thing
19:15 VanessaE )
19:15 kaeza VanessaE, in a sec... compiling MT
19:16 Jordach Win NT*
19:17 kaeza Jordach, http://www.funtoosh.com/f_images/windows_vista_source_code.jpg
19:17 Jordach kaeza, WRONG
19:17 Jordach im using vista
19:18 VanessaE "asdsasdsf joined" .... "left game"
19:18 VanessaE come on people at least think of a name.
19:18 VanessaE kaeza: heh
19:19 kaeza VanessaE, * [hmmmm] (~sdfgsf@72.79.172.153): dfgadf
19:20 Calinou "incompatibily" > "incompatibility"
19:20 Calinou return LotsMoreMoney; lol
19:21 PilzAdam kaeza, SearchAndDestry([...]|ANYTHING_GOOGLE); \o/
19:21 PilzAdam *Destroy
19:21 * PilzAdam isntalls vista
19:22 PilzAdam *installs
19:22 VanessaE my server is about to be attacked
19:22 * Calinou installs ubuntu
19:22 Calinou VanessaE, shut it down
19:22 Calinou that's all
19:22 * kaeza installs DOS 6.22
19:22 Calinou also, iptables :P
19:22 VanessaE those nick flooders are back
19:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, last time it was only 1 IP
19:23 PilzAdam -> ipban.txt
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19:23 drizz VanessaE: what makes you think they will try again?
19:24 iqualfragile try to compare them to anyone online in #minetest
19:24 drizz already did that
19:24 drizz not here
19:24 VanessaE drizz: because they just did.
19:24 VanessaE a few nicks at firt.
19:24 VanessaE first*
19:25 Jordach VanessaE, mass minetest server spam from 71.164.76.159
19:25 iqualfragile publish the ip please?
19:25 Jordach wazuclan server has it too
19:25 drizz ^
19:25 * kaeza points to cisoun's suggestion to have a global "ban list" to which server owners can refer
19:25 iqualfragile i get ninjaed by Jordach far too often
19:25 drizz but yes, iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -s 71.164.76.159 works
19:25 VanessaE lemme check
19:26 VanessaE 15:21:27: INFO[ServerThread]: Server: New connection: "KpGiGKCIaXGfFvgZL03" from
19:26 VanessaE 71.164.76.159
19:26 VanessaE yup, same IP.
19:26 drizz anyone happen to know how the verizon control port works? :P
19:26 * Jordach googles ip
19:27 drizz it's the only service running on the host
19:27 iqualfragile drizz: shure?
19:27 iqualfragile well, im checking, too
19:27 drizz did an intensive scan on both tcp + udp
19:27 cisoun kaeza: The thread was originally written for Kray's server. But I like the global list thing.
19:28 drizz lemme know if you find anything
19:28 iqualfragile jup
19:28 Jordach cisoun, wheres your texture pack huh
19:28 VanessaE BAM!
19:28 VanessaE dropped at the firewal.
19:28 VanessaE +l
19:28 VanessaE iptables ftw :)
19:28 cisoun Jordach: oh you
19:29 kaeza cisoun, it's a good idea. not as a centralized ban list, but as reference for server owners
19:29 cisoun <Duke Nukem>When it's ready.</Duke Nukem>
19:29 drizz use `find . -name "???????????????????" -exec rm {} \;` to remove the players, but beware, it will delete other players with 19 character names
19:29 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/7jwHQE2.png
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19:29 Jordach cisoun, 15 years later
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19:29 VanessaE drizz: thanks for the tip.  deleted.
19:30 Uberi VanessaE: worldedit troubles? check out my post!
19:30 VanessaE Uberi: seen sfan5's fix?
19:30 Uberi hmm? not yet
19:30 cisoun Jordach: not that long :->
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19:30 kaeza Jordach, fun fact: that site says I'm in Argentina
19:30 VanessaE he already put through a workaround :)
19:31 Uberi oh awesome :)
19:31 cisoun But I found that new textures have just been added to Minetest.
19:31 sfan5 Uberi: the block queue reverses the operation order because table operations are very performance-costly, that why //move doesn't work with the block queue
19:31 cisoun I have to work on this too.
19:31 Uberi that makes sense
19:32 VanessaE still, it would be a good idea to make it work with the block queue anyway if at all possible.
19:32 iqualfragile anybody near East Greenbush?
19:32 Uberi yeah, it will work if the block queue does things in the opposite order, but that could be costly performance-wise
19:32 iqualfragile (new york?)
19:33 Calinou Jordach, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=91063#p91063
19:33 Calinou it's official "I am brain damaged" day! so do that!
19:33 Calinou #minecraft #troller #hashtags
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19:33 Calinou #perlin #heightmaps #floatingislands
19:33 VanessaE iqualfragile: not I, sorry
19:34 * Calinou rolleyes
19:35 proller i cant visit links now 8(
19:35 Calinou oh hai
19:38 proller wow, i can! but nothin intresting
19:38 Calinou only perlin hills
19:39 Calinou proller, by the way, can I get unbanned from sky hardcore please? I promise I won't grief again, I thought it was allowed
19:40 proller no
19:42 iqualfragile i am sorry, but are you stupid?
19:42 iqualfragile shure, there are one or two serververs wich explicitly state that they are grief-sevrers
19:43 iqualfragile but why the f would you assume griefing to be allowed?
19:43 Calinou iqualfragile, "hardcore"
19:43 iqualfragile yeah, i hope you feel "hardcore" now
19:44 * Calinou rolleyes
19:44 proller hardcore = spawn in sky and hard road to ground
19:44 Calinou do you even play minecraft to know what's "hardcore" in minecraft?
19:44 Calinou well, I apply that principle to minetest pretty much because both are very similar games
19:44 Calinou hardcore pvp means you can grief, steal freely
19:44 Calinou except in protected areas
19:44 Calinou (tip: protect the spawn)
19:45 PilzAdam tip: no static spawn == nothing to protect
19:46 proller Calinou, you spend days to grief, and destroy 8000+ blocks - its not normal
19:46 Calinou the spawn is static on sky hardcore
19:46 Calinou proller, it is
19:47 Uberi what did you give him WE privs or something
19:47 iqualfragile VanessaE: you could just call 1-800-837-4966 (verizon) and complain about a kiddie running scripts
19:47 iqualfragile i think that that might be a good idea
19:48 Calinou Uberi, no, diamond pick
19:48 Calinou iqualfragile, who does that?
19:48 * drizz wonders if he has a monthly bandwidth quota..
19:48 Calinou ISPs never gave a fuck about attackers, that's a fact
19:48 Calinou that's like saying ban evasion or cheating will get you jailed, never happened :P
19:49 Uberi as long as you keep paying them money
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19:49 Calinou 8)
19:50 proller Calinou, make your hardcore server, enable infinity nuke mod, and enjoy... alone..
19:50 Calinou if I made an hardcore server it wouldn't have infinity nuke
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19:50 Calinou also, alone?
19:50 Calinou there are hardcore pvp servers on minecraft with constant 60+ players :P
19:50 Calinou but I still won't make one :P
19:50 VanessaE iqualfragile: much easier to permblock them at the firewall.
19:51 Jordach VanessaE, if thats a hacker then you can get him sent down
19:51 * kaeza loves the new "change wielditem" animation
19:52 Calinou makes you feel like you're playing TF2, huh
19:52 Calinou but without hats
19:52 proller mc have x1000 more servers and players
19:52 Uberi that can be remedied!
19:52 Calinou they do
19:52 Warr1024 holy fuck, lots of activity over the weekend.
19:52 Uberi [mod] HATS [0.4.7]
19:54 iqualfragile i never knew geolocation was that accurate
19:54 Uberi you should check out my geolocation lib
19:54 Uberi it has about 10m accuracy in urban areas
19:55 iqualfragile http://geoiptool.com/en/?IP=71.164.76.159
19:56 Jordach Uberi, same for my iPad
19:57 Uberi yeah they use the same provider, GLS
19:57 Uberi or maybe ios used skyhook, can't remember which one
19:58 iqualfragile maybe we should send him a letter?
19:59 Calinou lol
19:59 Uberi send who?
20:00 iqualfragile the guy who spams minetestservers with a lot of registrations
20:01 Uberi same IP each time?
20:01 VanessaE yup
20:02 Uberi that doesn't sound too bad to me
20:02 iqualfragile jup, just a letter to his parrents would do wonders
20:03 VanessaE good luck with that
20:03 Calinou lol
20:03 Uberi iqualfragile: IP != physical address
20:03 iqualfragile i am aware of that
20:04 Uberi OK, gotta make sure though
20:04 iqualfragile but the geolocation of that ip was quite precise
20:04 Calinou precision depends
20:04 iqualfragile (at least it looked precise…)
20:04 john_minetest iqualfragile: Where is the spammer coming from?
20:04 Uberi iqualfragile: IP geo generally gets the right city to within 100km
20:04 iqualfragile 'merica
20:05 iqualfragile http://geoiptool.com/en/?IP=71.164.76.159
20:05 Uberi for me, my IP gets a nearby city
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20:05 testman42 Will minetest be coming on Steam?   Steam is stable, not just alpha or beta, and I would really like to see Minetest avaliable there. Since there is no Minecraft on Steam, I believe that Minetest would have quite an advantage on popular games distribution platform.  Please, let developers consider putting it on Steam.  I really hope that minior license conflicts would not be much of obstacle.
20:05 VanessaE why would we use steam?
20:06 VanessaE that's for commercial games et.al
20:06 drizz not anymore
20:06 drizz with their greenlight initiative
20:06 VanessaE minetest is free
20:06 VanessaE oh
20:06 testman42 yep
20:06 PilzAdam is it completly free to put minetest on steam?
20:06 Warr1024 as long as steam doesn't violate the GPL, it's my understanding that anyone can put minetest on steam.
20:06 Calinou VanessaE, warsow is on steam
20:07 iqualfragile no, its not
20:07 VanessaE oh ok
20:07 PilzAdam Warr1024, *LGPL
20:07 Calinou it's a FOSS game but 100% of the art is proprietry :P
20:07 Calinou proprietary*
20:07 drizz pretty sure it's free
20:07 drizz lots of indie devs are doing it
20:07 iqualfragile you need to pay 100$ to get it on steam
20:07 Calinou ^
20:07 * Jordach has that kind of money
20:07 drizz really? $100?
20:07 Calinou if you donate $100 we'll do it, testman42 :P
20:07 Warr1024 ah, in that case, I guess it'll be on steam as soon as somebody coughs up the $100.
20:07 Calinou else, no :P
20:07 Calinou also, we need to iron out the license problems
20:07 Uberi Calinou: the art is WTFPL and GPL, I believe
20:07 testman42 OK, I will start saving money for it :)
20:07 Calinou we're going to get a lot, because:
20:07 Calinou 1) game and art is free
20:08 Uberi testman42: put up a kickstarter!
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20:08 Calinou 2) minecraft-lookalike
20:08 testman42 Good idea
20:08 Uberi Calinou: minecraft-lookalike is no big deal
20:08 drizz could start a donation fund for this specific purpose?
20:08 Uberi it's original content, nothing is "copied" from any copyrighted content
20:08 PilzAdam kickstarter is a bad idea; we will never sell Minetest
20:08 drizz not kickstarter, just for the website
20:09 iqualfragile http://steamcommunity.com/games/765/announcements/detail/1317556891741839763
20:10 Uberi and apparently the money goes to Child's Play too, so it's not like it's being wasted
20:10 drizz I actually happen to have ~$20 on my paypal account that isn't going anywhere
20:10 john_minetest desura has OSS.
20:10 john_minetest And desura is cool.
20:10 Calinou lol
20:10 Calinou desura UX was made by gnome 3 devs
20:10 Calinou and noone uses it
20:10 Calinou Uberi, minecraft is a trademark
20:10 Calinou and minetest looks very similar
20:11 Uberi Calinou: they did not trademark all block based games
20:11 khonkhortisan nor voxels
20:11 drizz he does have a point, though
20:11 john_minetest Steam is soooooo 2003.
20:11 Calinou but "minetest"'s name is similar to "minecraft"
20:11 drizz the art do very much look like minetest
20:11 Calinou it is, but you're forced to use it to play TF2 :P
20:12 drizz eh, like minecraft
20:12 drizz see, can't even differentiate the names
20:12 Uberi Calinou: Macrosoft is a company with a similar name to Microsoft, but that doesn't make it infringing
20:12 Calinou WTF is macrosoft?
20:12 Uberi (and yes, it does actually exist :O)
20:12 drizz Uberi: if they were to look like microsoft, it might :P
20:12 Uberi apparently a software dev company too
20:12 iqualfragile Calinou: there were other blockbased before minecraft
20:13 Uberi drizz: not according to US and Canadian copyright/trademark law :P
20:13 Calinou iqualfragile, I know, I'm talking about the name here
20:14 Calinou night
20:14 Uberi see ya
20:14 drizz http://minetest.net/support
20:14 drizz $122.8 :P
20:15 ShadowNinja Paste flood protection seems to work. I am enabling it.
20:16 Uberi drizz: :D
20:18 sfan5 <Calinou> we're going to get a lot, because:
20:18 sfan5 get a lot ...? money?
20:18 Warr1024 problems
20:18 Uberi 99 of them, to be specific
20:19 Warr1024 Frankly, I don't think Mojang has a trademark on the name "mine" or names in the form of "mine*"
20:19 iqualfragile ShadowNinja:
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20:19 iqualfragile was kicked by ShadowBot: message flood detected
20:20 Warr1024 if it comes to it, we could rename it to something like DigTest (since you dig nodes instead of mining blocks).
20:20 sfan5 Uberi: related http://xkcd.com/1171/
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20:20 iqualfragile k
20:20 khonkhortisan you got to i
20:20 iqualfragile i was about to ask that
20:21 Uberi sfan5: hahahah
20:21 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: There are about five different flood detection methods active now. You tripped a different one.
20:22 ShadowNinja And test flooding somewhere else.
20:24 john_minetest unrelated: http://xkcd.com/1172/
20:26 Warr1024 don't bother posting unrelated xkcd's; just wait a while and it will eventually be related...
20:31 kaeza /me points at non-renewable lava
20:31 Uberi oh man is lava nonrenewable again?
20:31 * Uberi puts on some popcorn
20:32 testman42 wait, lava was renewable before?
20:33 kaeza yep
20:33 Uberi in the build game IIRC
20:33 kaeza I don't care either way
20:33 iqualfragile there is no build game anymore…
20:33 Uberi exactly
20:33 Warr1024 renewable lava is a nice idea, so long as it's not as trivial of an operation as renewable water is.
20:34 kaeza wat
20:34 VanessaE iqualfragile: everything's been recombined into minetest_game, like it was meant to be ;)
20:34 Uberi that's what I said when the debate was on, Warr1024, I couldn't agree more
20:35 iqualfragile i know, i read the changelog and im in #minetest and #minetest-dev for about 14 hours a day
20:35 Warr1024 I like the idea that lava is more valuable than water, though I'd eventually like to see every resource renewable, at least in some way.
20:36 Warr1024 making the player have to build up a tech tree and solve puzzles to unlock renewability, though, can be a nice gameplay approach.
20:36 Uberi Warr1024: would you be fine with using mods to achieve this?
20:36 Uberi I'm thinking of making my very first content-centric mod, MT-Renewability
20:36 Warr1024 Uberi: is there any way to play MT and NOT use mods?  I mean, the whole thing is built as a set of modular components...
20:37 proller try find lava spring in indev mapgen
20:37 proller with finite liquids
20:37 iqualfragile not compleetly modular, you cant use homedecor and xyz signs together!
20:37 VanessaE Warr1024: technically, no.  Hell, even minimal contains a couple of mods.
20:38 thexyz not my fault
20:38 Warr1024 do finite liquids have a significant impact on server performance?
20:38 VanessaE iqualfragile: because homedecor already HAS thexyz's signs in it.
20:38 Uberi Warr1024: it can in some cases
20:38 iqualfragile see, thats not good
20:38 Warr1024 I'm sort of wondering whether it's safe to design with finite liquids being ON as my "target" configuration, but I was worried about how it would scale.
20:39 VanessaE iqualfragile: don't start that again please.
20:39 iqualfragile ok
20:39 PilzAdam NOOOOOO! http://xkcd.com/859/
20:39 VanessaE PilzAdam: and a missing comma will haunt you for a WEEK.
20:39 VanessaE ;)
20:39 Warr1024 xkcd needs its own protocol spec, a la xkcd://859
20:39 Uberi ah much better
20:40 Warr1024 (or xkcds://859 for you SSL junkies)
20:40 Uberi Warr1024: yeah wouldn't want other people to see which xkcds you're viewing now would we
20:40 Warr1024 Uberi: I'd be more worried about them altering the data in transmission, possibly messing with the punchline...
20:41 VanessaE Uberi: it is, after all, about romance, math, etc.. we can't have THAT in modern society.
20:41 VanessaE damn subversives.
20:41 Uberi crazy talk
20:41 Warr1024 xkcd #859 is also frowning at me from my browser title bar.
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20:44 VanessaE bbl
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20:54 kaeza is there a way to tell github to omit a commit when doing a pull request?
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20:55 Uberi kaeza: I don't believe so, no
20:55 kaeza meh, I'll just open the request and let VanessaE take care of the details
20:55 Warr1024 every commit depend on all its predecessors.
20:56 john_minetest http://xkcd.com/1206/
20:56 Warr1024 you can only omit the ones on the end, by pointing a branch at ones further up the tree.
20:56 Uberi kaeza: make the change with git locally and repush
20:56 Warr1024 git push --force to overwrite an old branch
20:57 kaeza I have three commits, but the first one was already cherru-picked and merged by her
20:57 kaeza cherry*
20:58 Warr1024 ah, in that case, I'd try rebasing your 2nd commit against the latest head.
20:58 Warr1024 of course, I'm a shitty rebaser, so I'd just cherry-pick my own 2nd and 3rd commit into a new branch against that head :-)
20:58 Warr1024 (the effect is more-or-less the same).
20:59 kaeza bleh
20:59 kaeza I'll just use my 'nuke' command
20:59 kaeza and re-clone
20:59 Warr1024 it really depends a lot on whether your particular upstream is very fussy about maintaining a linear history or not.
20:59 proller Warr1024, finite can make slower at 5-10 minutes, when falling big volumes of liquid
21:00 proller for example when filling huge caves 100x100x100
21:01 Warr1024 proller: I guess I'm just wondering whether I should expect that to be a problem or not... if I were to hollow out a huge cave under the ocean and then blast its ceiling, then I'd expect a lot of slowdown from the liquid, but then again, a lot of explosives can slow down the game a lot too...
21:02 Warr1024 how graceful will it slow down, too...?  Will everything crawl, or will the liquids just get more "viscous" relative to the rest of the world, i.e. as if it's being managed on a separate thread?
21:02 proller not very slow on 0.1 updating interval
21:02 proller its procsess only 1000 blocks in one iteration
21:03 Warr1024 I'm hosting on very modest hardware.  CPU-wise Sempron 140 single-core 64-bit @ 2GHz, 8GB DDR2, OpenBSD 5.2...
21:03 Warr1024 ah, so if there are more than 1000 blocks, then the rest of the world will still run?
21:03 proller no problem
21:03 Warr1024 maybe I'll experiment with it some more
21:04 proller its process 1000 blockes every liquid_update = 1.0
21:04 Warr1024 I once dug a deep core into the earth below an ocean and eventually reached a point where the water source blocks had unloaded and I had to climb back up to get more water.
21:04 proller sometimes queue can be 100000+ blocks
21:05 Uberi almost 2 mins to finish
21:05 Warr1024 so if I have a queue of 100,000 nodes of water, then that would mean that water would flow at 1% its normal speed relative to the rest of the world (which is kind of a shame) but the performance of other aspects of the game would not likewise be slowed to that speed?  Sounds like a good compromise...
21:05 proller yes
21:06 Warr1024 Awesome, thanks.
21:07 proller i have ideas about make water falling as sand but not finished yet
21:07 Warr1024 I guess it's time to change the way I play :-)
21:07 proller it can increase speed
21:10 sfan5 good night
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21:12 john_minetest good night sfan
21:12 PilzAdam http://xkcd.com/1184/
21:15 iqualfragile night sfan5
21:17 Warr1024 n'aight
21:21 john_minetest The ultimate programmer's planet: Makemake.
21:22 john_minetest gtg, bye
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21:42 kaeza PilzAdam, lol
21:42 kaeza I stared at the formula for about 10 mins before I understood that :/
21:43 kaeza s/that/the joke/
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21:54 kaeza wut https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_3287202424.jpg
22:01 kaeza VanessaE, https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/pull/19
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23:46 Pentium44 hi all
23:46 Pentium44 how are we today?
23:47 Pentium44 everyone, I am here to tell you that I setup a minetest server for the people who think minetest 0.4.5-0.4.6 is bloated. The server version I have setup is 0.4.1
23:47 Pentium44 I personally found minetest 0.4.1 a great release
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