Time Nick Message 00:01 jojoa1997 Hi all! 00:01 VanessaE hi 00:02 kaeza hey 00:02 iqualfragile hi jojoa1997 00:02 iqualfragile timezones are strange things… 00:05 kaeza anyone has experience programming under Java ME? 00:05 kaeza 00:05 kaeza s/under/for/ 00:58 Kacey huh 01:02 OldCoder Kacey, hi 01:35 sokomine oh, hm, seems i lost connection 01:35 kaeza hello sokomine 01:39 sokomine hi 01:48 ShadowNinja In 'candies' what do I need to do, other than getting the lolipops, to get the "better sword" from the witch? Do I have to complete a stage? 01:51 enchilado ShadowNinja: kind of, yes 01:51 enchilado You need to have the... right sword 01:51 [0gb_us] Candy Box has no real point. It's just time-based grinding, basically. 01:52 ShadowNinja enchilado: The chocolate covered one? 01:52 enchilado ShadowNinja: yeah. 01:52 enchilado [0gb_us]: um... 01:52 enchilado no... games... have a point? 01:52 [0gb_us] You nees the anvil to sharpen the chocolate sword. 01:52 enchilado They're games. 01:52 [0gb_us] Then you need to enchant it. 01:52 enchilado Oh, right. 01:52 enchilado I'd forgotten about that. 01:53 [0gb_us] Many games are actually fun though. Candy Box is a bad combination of boring yet addictive. 01:53 enchilado Why do you give a fuck what games other people like? 01:54 [0gb_us] Hmm? I don't care what people like. I was only putting in my two cents. 01:54 enchilado Your two cents don't make any sense. 01:55 [0gb_us] I disagree, but whatever. 01:55 [0gb_us] I just said Candy Bx is only time-based grinding. If you disagree, how would you describe it? 01:55 [0gb_us] *Box 01:58 enchilado [0gb_us]: you said it had no point, but no games do, regardless of how fun they are. 01:58 enchilado [0gb_us]: did you finish the game? 01:58 enchilado [0gb_us]: I'd prefer grinding where I can do other things while waiting for it to finish to a game where I have to mindlessly click on things for hours. 01:59 [0gb_us] I didn't finish, I stopped after getting up the stairs. 01:59 enchilado [0gb_us]: so you didn't even get to the interesting levels. 02:00 [0gb_us] You shouldn't have to go through many boring levels to get somewhere interesting. 02:00 [0gb_us] Mindlessly clicking in no fun either though, I agree. 02:00 enchilado They're not really boring. 02:01 enchilado It's not like you have to watch them. 02:01 [0gb_us] You sit and watch your character do stuff without you. Where's the interest? 02:01 [0gb_us] Anyway, if you have fun with it, great! I'll just stick with World of Goo, myself. 02:04 enchilado [0gb_us]: you realise later levels require interaction? 02:05 enchilado You get scrolls and potions reasonably early and later you can make your own 02:08 [0gb_us] I had scrolls and potions. 02:09 enchilado Did you have the cauldron? 02:09 [0gb_us] That didn't make it fun, that just added things to make grinding slower, as you use your candy to buy those instead of increase your strength. 08:09 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6018 08:09 Calinou lol 08:09 * Calinou voted "human" 08:50 * StarBlessed voted Some organism from world of imagination - Miniature Cthulhu! 09:07 Calinou more like ponies 09:08 StarBlessed Tell me you're not a bronie... :( 09:09 * Calinou is not 09:09 StarBlessed YAY! You can live ;) 09:15 [0gb_us] Why do so many people have an issue with so-called "bronies"? 09:17 StarBlessed My.Little.Pony... ick 09:18 [0gb_us] I still don't get it. A lot of people like a lot of other icky things, yet no one complains. But when it comes to cartoon horses .... 09:20 StarBlessed Its the same as carebears. They were cartoons designed to market to the female demographic. Not only that, but they lacked any substance at all. The stories were hollow and really void of content. That, and they're a bit girly for my liking. ;) 09:22 [0gb_us] Emptiness I understand. But female primary audience? That means hating "bronies" is sexist. 09:23 StarBlessed No, Hating females is sexist. Hating something that was designed to be a marketing ploy aimed at girls... Thats integrity. :P 09:24 [0gb_us] I thought you were hating the males that liked My Little Pony, but not the females. That would be sexism. Are you hating the females too then? 09:25 StarBlessed LOL! Nice try [0gb_us]. You wont catch me out so easily. 09:25 [0gb_us] Catch you? What do you mean? 09:26 [0gb_us] You either hate both sexes for watching it, neither, or you're sexist. Those are the only three options. 09:28 StarBlessed [0gb_us]: You're twisting my words. I wont rise to it. Go argue with someone else. 09:29 [0gb_us] So you won't even answer a simple question of fairness? That sounds like a confession of guilt to me, but whatever. I'll leave you alone. 09:29 StarBlessed Welcome to the Internet, where every flamer has to get in the last word. 09:30 [0gb_us] I'm not flaming, I'm questioning your entirety, which you claimed to have. Having the last word does not make you a flamer. 09:31 StarBlessed ROFL. Ok. 09:51 * VanessaE wanders in 09:52 VanessaE good morning 09:52 [0gb_us] Good morning, VanessaE! 09:53 VanessaE nice little argument you have here :) 09:54 [0gb_us] Yeah. I'm known for getting into small arguments at times. 09:54 VanessaE nothing wrong with that, G*d knows I've gotten into my share of them 09:56 [0gb_us] I'm looking for good games, but most of them are for consoles ... I'm looking for something to play on my laptop. Any suggestions? 09:56 VanessaE Something good for a laptop.. hm 09:57 VanessaE well, my husband plays bejeweled, yahtzee, and a few pinball games 09:57 [0gb_us] Hmm. Interesting, but not quite what I'm after. Thanks anyway. 09:58 tripod world of goo 09:58 tripod antichamber 09:58 VanessaE well there is that candies game everyone's going ape over :) 09:58 tripod stil haven't played it 09:58 [0gb_us] I'll look into Antichamber. I just finished World of Goo this morning. 09:59 [0gb_us] Candy Box is addicting, but not entertaining. Bad combination. 10:02 VanessaE well you have to ask yourself something: 10:02 VanessaE what is it about a game that you'd describe as "entertaining"? 10:02 [0gb_us] I can't really tell what you're supposed to do in Antichamber. It looks like puzzles built into walls and tunnels that lead back to where you started. 10:02 VanessaE particularly if the game is already addictive. 10:04 [0gb_us] Well, there's got to be some sort of goal. And waiting around like in Candy Box doesn't seem entertaining. 10:05 VanessaE I would guess, without having played it, that Candy Box's goal is to just gain lots of candy, with the intent that you compete with others at the same task, sorta like playing Monopoly. 10:05 [0gb_us] It's not multiplayer. Other than that, yeah. 10:05 VanessaE well I mean one person versus another in separate games 10:06 [0gb_us] You sit and wait for candy to accumulate so you can increase your accumulation rate. 10:06 VanessaE you know, "I got X candies now!" "Oh yeah? Well I have X+100000 now in my game!" etc. 10:06 [0gb_us] Hmm. Maybe that's why it doesn't interest me. I;m not competitive. 10:07 VanessaE maybe get an emulator for some older computer or console (e.g ePSXe, VICE, Stella, whatever) and try some games from that era. There was a different quality to them that modern games lack. 10:08 * [0gb_us] 's speakers have quit functioning 10:08 [0gb_us] Is that even legal though? 10:08 VanessaE one of my favorites was Crash Bandicoot 3. Fucking addictive, and actually fun. 10:08 VanessaE no, it isn't, but who gives two shits about copyright of old abandonware? 10:09 VanessaE (to the degree of copying it for personal use I mean) 10:11 [0gb_us] I actually wish I could run Gamecube CDs on my computer. I'd buy them, I just don't want the console. 10:12 VanessaE there might be an emulator for that by now 10:12 VanessaE "Dolphin" appears to be one such 10:12 VanessaE http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/gamecube/ 10:12 [0gb_us] I'll be right back. I'm going to reboot to try to restore my sound. 10:12 VanessaE ok 10:16 [0gb_us] Okay, that worked. 10:18 VanessaE good 11:30 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:30 VanessaE hi 11:35 VanessaE http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3757801&cid=43747257 11:35 VanessaE lol 11:35 VanessaE (particularly, the AC at the end) 11:42 sfan5 hi 11:49 VanessaE hey 12:02 jojoa1997 Hello all! 12:02 VanessaE morning 12:07 Calinou hi 12:47 sfan5 MinetestBot! 12:47 MinetestBot sfan5! 13:06 Kacey i want to make a morebiomes mod... anyone want to help? 13:07 PilzAdam not until the API for v7 is out 13:07 PilzAdam and its trivial with that 13:07 VanessaE Kacey: use plants_lib. 13:07 VanessaE that's its purpose. 13:08 Kacey i guess i shall make a version for both 13:08 Kacey one for V6 and one for V7 13:25 arsdragonfly http://minetest.net/servers 13:25 arsdragonfly lol the ip address looks funny 13:26 VanessaE which one? 13:38 VanessaE brb 13:40 arsdragonfly The one in the example 13:40 VanessaE oh heh 13:40 VanessaE yeah I see that now 13:41 iqualfragile good morning 13:41 VanessaE morning 13:42 Kacey how do i register a channel? 13:42 PilzAdam -> #freenode 13:44 sfan5 12.34.567.890 is not even a valid ip 13:45 sfan5 12.34.56.78 would be 13:45 iqualfragile 123456789? 13:47 VanessaE bbl 14:09 sfan5 !op ShadowBot 14:33 PilzAdam there isnt :-( 14:45 RealBadAngel www.hmmm.float 14:45 RealBadAngel or double? ;) 14:46 RealBadAngel hi folks 14:47 sfan5 http://printf.hello.world 14:48 PilzAdam http://system.out.println.hello.world 14:57 RealBadAngel http://10 print "Hi" 20 goto 10.run 14:59 RealBadAngel good that is weekend 15:01 * RealBadAngel listens to Rama II - Long... LOUD 15:01 RealBadAngel thx to mt-main menu music player ;) 15:02 sfan5 what I wanted to do but didn't do yet: "create an emulator for a hardware platform (designed by me) and make an assembler for it" 15:02 sfan5 !op ShadowBot 15:02 RealBadAngel use z80 lib 15:02 RealBadAngel you can define your own opcodes with it 15:03 RealBadAngel in fact you can redesign it to emulate any cpu. even non existant 15:05 RealBadAngel http://libz80.sourceforge.net/ 15:07 Jordach hey all 15:07 Jordach there 15:08 Jordach that sunufabitch is gone 15:12 Kust Hi all when i try to play minetest and press on the exe it says it stopped working. btw i got windows 8 15:12 Jordach Kust, is this 0.4.6 stable right? 15:13 Kust yes it is 15:13 PilzAdam Kust, can you try to get some debug output as described here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073 ? 15:13 Jordach and not to mention this is not on a ARM Processor 15:13 Kust ok 15:16 Kust but i got no debug because minetest won't run 15:16 PilzAdam can your run the exe from cmd? 15:16 PilzAdam *you 15:16 Kust how do i do thath ? 15:17 Kust i opned the cmd 15:17 Kust *opened 15:17 PilzAdam just use cd to get to the minetest/bin directory and type "minetest.exe" 15:17 Kust ok 15:18 Kust ok 15:18 Kust i am at the exe and right cliked 15:18 Kust and the properties 15:18 Jordach Kust, is your Windows 8 a surface? 15:18 Kust surface ? 15:19 rubenwardy hi all 15:20 Kust what do you mean by surface ? 15:21 rubenwardy It is incredible annoying how youtube handles comments 15:22 Superpelican Hello everyone 15:22 Superpelican I'm having problems with Minetest 0.4.6 under openSUSE 12.3 X86_64 15:23 Superpelican I get a extremely small screen 15:24 Jordach Superpelican, re size the window 15:24 Jordach thats it 15:24 PilzAdam Kust, Im not very familiar with Windows 8; IIRC there was a topic in the forums, maybe you find help there 15:24 Superpelican That wasn't exactly want I meant 15:24 Jordach Superpelican, youre using irrlicht 1.8.x right? 15:24 Jordach thats the cause aparently 15:25 Superpelican I installed Minetest from the openSUSE 12.3 games repo 15:25 Superpelican I got a small screen inside the Minetest window 15:25 Superpelican The rest was black 15:25 Superpelican But now after months it is suddenly gone! 15:26 Superpelican I just started Minetest to make a screenshot of the bug and post it and then it was gone! 15:27 PilzAdam Superpelican, this "small window inside the window" bug is known; you can fix it by resizing the window; it also only appears with Irrlicht 1.8 15:30 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=90607#p90607 15:30 Superpelican Thanks, I had already searched the web about it a few times but didn't find anything so thought I was the only one having it 15:34 Jordach yay, openshot for windows is being made 15:45 Jordach OldCoder, youre client is join spamming 15:45 STHGOM byehibyehibyehi!!! 15:47 Jordach ShadowBot` sucks ass 15:48 OldCoder Hi 15:48 OldCoder Jordach, Not spamming 15:48 OldCoder Jordach, I have network problems today.... trying to fix them 15:48 Jordach ah 15:48 OldCoder Need to rejoin again 15:49 Jordach aye 15:57 rubenwardy back! 16:03 STHGOM hi 16:19 STHGOM hi 16:22 PilzAdam STHGOM, could you please stop saying "hi" every 5 minutes? 16:23 rubenwardy hi 16:23 Jordach hi 16:23 Calinou PilzAdam: edit his /etc/cron file 16:23 rubenwardy hi 16:23 RealBadAngel hi 16:23 rubenwardy hi 16:24 PilzAdam rm -f STHGOM/etc/cron 16:25 rubenwardy Ideas: (I will probably get kicked for this) 16:25 rubenwardy > Minetest day 16:25 rubenwardy > Lets annoy PilzAdam day 16:25 rubenwardy > Good mese remembrance day 16:25 rubenwardy nope 16:25 RealBadAngel hi TheLastProject 16:25 rubenwardy hi! 16:25 TheLastProject Hi? 16:25 RealBadAngel sure, hi :) 16:25 RealBadAngel its a "Hi" day today 16:25 PilzAdam > Lets annoy PilzAdam day <- probably a bad idea to annoy OPs >:-) 16:26 Jordach not in this channel 16:26 Jordach :P 16:26 PilzAdam :-( 16:26 RealBadAngel chill out PA and just say "HI" :) 16:26 PilzAdam NO 16:27 * Jordach passes some weed to PilzAdam, after all, Pilz is mushroom 16:27 RealBadAngel hehe 16:27 PilzAdam Jordach, farming:weed ? 16:27 Jordach weed:spliff 16:27 * Calinou smokes some farming:weed 16:27 * Calinou now smokes a trollinou:480 16:27 RealBadAngel hi there fella :) 16:28 * Calinou is now deaf since the fan of that 480 started spinning 16:28 RealBadAngel deaf or not, you can still read 16:28 * Jordach rolls on the floor laughing 16:30 RealBadAngel PA? so? you dont want to say simple "hi" to us? 16:30 Calinou pulseaudio doesn't say "hi" 16:30 Calinou it says "phphihapaihpiohpi" 16:30 PilzAdam http://youtu.be/gvdf5n-zI14 16:31 Jordach last night i saw something funny 16:31 Jordach i swear i saw an ad with Calinou in it 16:35 RealBadAngel too much weed farmed? ;) 16:42 Calinou Jordach: ad about red eclipse? 16:42 Jordach Calinou, some french yougurt 16:43 Jordach calin+ was the name 16:51 Calinou lol 17:17 PilzAdam Calinou, there is still one untranslated string in the French Minetest translation 17:18 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, Polish needs an update, too 17:20 Calinou done 17:21 PilzAdam "ZQSD"... ? 17:23 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, i will update in on weekend 17:24 Jordach cisoun, update your pack 17:25 RealBadAngel i am lookin now for music to create presentation of new features 17:25 RealBadAngel i mean shaders 17:26 RealBadAngel i decided for two tunes composed by marek bilinski 17:26 RealBadAngel ofc covers of them 17:26 RealBadAngel well, i said i decided 17:26 Calinou PilzAdam: azerty keyboards 17:27 RealBadAngel im not sure which one to pick up 17:27 Calinou on windows, the conversion is done automagically 17:27 RealBadAngel this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbonWLPkkuo 17:27 Calinou but on linux most people will rebind :P 17:27 Calinou ideally the keys should be shown according to what the player uses 17:27 Calinou :/ 17:27 Calinou gtg now 17:27 PilzAdam Calinou, how about "WASD / ZQSD" then? 17:28 RealBadAngel or this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6J57bfKzpM 17:29 STHGOM bye 17:29 RealBadAngel hi 17:29 RealBadAngel you mean "hi" :p 17:29 STHGOM i do? 17:29 RealBadAngel you did 17:30 STHGOM bye 17:30 RealBadAngel its international sayin hello and hi day 17:30 RealBadAngel aw, he was just rude ;) 17:31 RealBadAngel have you guys clicked the links i posted? 17:32 RealBadAngel theyre imho nice pieces of music so dont afraid to ;) 17:33 RealBadAngel i think im gonna use the second one 17:34 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/Mercury%20Rain.ogg 17:34 RealBadAngel hehe 17:34 RealBadAngel i know 17:34 RealBadAngel but those two pieces are POLISH 17:34 RealBadAngel by Marek Bilinski 17:35 * Jordach recycles the minetest folder 17:35 RealBadAngel lemme find the originals of those two 17:35 RealBadAngel both are more than 20 yrs old 17:36 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUU0f3FWGhs 17:36 RealBadAngel 1984 17:37 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yObk06-EeUg 17:37 RealBadAngel 1987 17:39 RealBadAngel imho this musician was born in the wrong country 17:39 RealBadAngel and the wrong time 17:40 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TX44xnIBUA 17:40 RealBadAngel hes equal to JM Jarre 17:40 Jordach i actually own this game 17:40 Jordach and still play it 17:41 RealBadAngel but thats not music at all 17:41 PilzAdam Jordach, we should rename Minetest to "Minetest 3D" to be moderns :D 17:41 PilzAdam -s 17:41 RealBadAngel i had to lower the volume 17:41 RealBadAngel its trash 17:41 Jordach RealBadAngel, lemme find the cd versions 17:42 RealBadAngel to much "shhh shhh shhh's" 17:42 RealBadAngel ears are hurting 17:42 Jordach RealBadAngel, ah, youre sound equaliser is over the top 17:42 RealBadAngel and melody is artificial 17:43 RealBadAngel its a melody "lets grab toilet paper and head to wc" 17:43 RealBadAngel and say "hi ho, to toilet we go" 17:45 Jordach RealBadAngel, same artist, as mp3: http://66.90.118.45:777/ost/iridion-ii/gpqtsgzqxo/28-credits-interstellar-journey-.mp3 17:45 RealBadAngel ok i will try 17:45 RealBadAngel dl'ing 17:46 Jordach RealBadAngel, this is from the sequel 17:46 * Jordach can't find the original credits 17:46 Jordach RealBadAngel, heres the albums: http://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/iridion-ii and http://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/iridion-3d-ii-arranged-soundtrack-perfect-selection 17:47 RealBadAngel started as merry christmas but then went sad 17:49 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://66.90.118.45:777/ost/iridion-3d-ii-arranged-soundtrack-perfect-selection/lxdzdqnhqk/06-spiral-bliss.mp3 17:49 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SiZrwhHh2E 17:50 RealBadAngel this is original author, 20 and some more yrs later 17:50 RealBadAngel live 17:51 RealBadAngel you know why i like this particular melody? 17:51 RealBadAngel its the very same kind Popcorn is 17:52 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://66.90.118.45:777/ost/iridion-ii/nfnwqxyqob/09-azuki-canyon-aniki-.mp3 17:52 RealBadAngel VERY hard to forget 17:52 Jordach probably my favourite 17:54 TheLastProject Hmm, I guess fish has some nice stuff... 17:54 RealBadAngel click and watch this: 17:54 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST6jaaYCCX4 17:55 RealBadAngel close your eyes and hear 17:55 RealBadAngel original record 17:55 RealBadAngel black one 17:55 RealBadAngel vinyl 17:58 RealBadAngel Jordach, how old are you? 17:58 Jordach 17 17:58 RealBadAngel :) 17:58 RealBadAngel im 41 17:59 RealBadAngel so no wonder we do like different scores 17:59 Jordach RealBadAngel, heres the original game's ost: http://www.iridion2.com/files/iridion_soundtrack_single_02_iridion_3d_spacestation_snippet.mp3 17:59 Jordach its a small snipper 17:59 Jordach snippet* 18:00 OldCoder Hi 18:00 RealBadAngel this is actually a nice one part 18:00 RealBadAngel Hi OldCoder 18:00 OldCoder Jordach, PM 18:00 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Howdy 18:00 RealBadAngel good, and you? 18:00 RealBadAngel have you found new place for yourself? 18:02 RealBadAngel Jordach, still nice, has a melody, toooo short, not usable 18:02 RealBadAngel nice jiggle 18:02 RealBadAngel i think i need to recover my demoscene contacts 18:04 RealBadAngel most of the folks that were member of our group are stil active 18:05 RealBadAngel i lately found out that guy who made music for my games and demo scores was makin background music for tv shows with polish president 18:05 Jordach oh thats fucking fantasic 18:06 RealBadAngel i dont know who to call 18:06 Jordach ghostbusters? 18:06 RealBadAngel the president or find a number service lol 18:06 RealBadAngel im not kidding 18:07 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=andysynthe&oq=andy&gs_l=youtube.3.0.35i39j0l9.1397.2693.0.5152.4.4.0.0.0.0.114.373.3j1.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.Bx-26bjJv9A 18:07 RealBadAngel 3 results 18:07 RealBadAngel 2 with polish president 18:07 RealBadAngel 3rd is my game 18:13 TerrenceCurl VAnessaE 18:13 TerrenceCurl can i pm you 18:13 TerrenceCurl ? 18:13 Calinou lol, TF2 18:13 TerrenceCurl VanessaE ^^^^^ 18:13 Jordach hai LandMinwe 18:13 Jordach Mine* 18:13 TerrenceCurl hey 18:13 Jordach youre building is better than mine 18:14 TerrenceCurl what building? 18:14 Calinou ad for the mann co store: 18:14 Calinou READY 18:14 Calinou 10 PRINT "HEAVY NEEDS A HAT" 18:14 Calinou 20 GOTO SHOP 18:14 Calinou RUN 18:14 TerrenceCurl i have been playing with sfans minecraft to minetest script 18:14 TerrenceCurl it works 18:15 Jordach LM, yeah, i guessed that 18:15 Jordach fuck sakes MobileDeviceHelper: stop crashing 18:15 Calinou mmm, TF2 wants me to download an update 18:15 * Calinou restarts steam 18:15 Jordach is it steam efficient format 18:16 Calinou yeah 18:16 Calinou but I can't download anymore 18:16 Jordach then fuck it 18:16 * Calinou 's brother is back on his laptop 18:17 TerrenceCurl look Jordach 18:17 TerrenceCurl http://i.minus.com/ijtFZDaItPbR2.png 18:17 TerrenceCurl it took some moving to ge tit right 18:17 Jordach \O/ 18:17 TerrenceCurl LOL 18:18 Calinou -1 for no shaders 18:18 Calinou +1 for voxel art :D 18:18 Jordach so its -+0 18:19 Jordach if its sign and magnitude 18:19 * Calinou is playing xonotic 18:19 TerrenceCurl i never tried the shaders i think 18:19 TerrenceCurl or any other new feature 18:19 Jordach huh 18:20 TerrenceCurl still that shadow glitch is killing me 18:20 TerrenceCurl when you w.e a giant chunk out 18:20 TerrenceCurl you get a giant shadow 18:20 TerrenceCurl and using //fixlight takes forever 18:20 TerrenceCurl and plating saplings does too lol 18:20 TerrenceCurl before planting saplings made the whole shadow go away 18:20 TerrenceCurl no it seems to get darker 18:21 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noKH_RXHrVI 18:21 RealBadAngel ok, whos willin to make more up to date version of this tune? 18:22 Jordach RealBadAngel, got a midi file? 18:22 RealBadAngel there was no midi those time with this hardware 18:23 RealBadAngel all was hardcoded 18:23 Jordach RealBadAngel, mod converters exist 18:23 Jordach im not hunting one down 18:23 RealBadAngel we had saa philips synthetiser then 18:24 RealBadAngel we used 2 channels and force interfere of sound waves 18:24 RealBadAngel to produce guitars, drums etc 18:24 Jordach RealBadAngel, code this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6023 18:24 RealBadAngel no fuckin mod player around to play our music 18:25 TerrenceCurl thats a bad idea Jordach 18:25 TerrenceCurl atleast the fact that one can send files to a server :D 18:25 Jordach TerrenceCurl, its actually one specified file 18:25 TerrenceCurl yeah .png 18:25 RealBadAngel lol 18:25 Jordach RealBadAngel, https://github.com/iamgreaser/it2everything 18:26 RealBadAngel we used mod specification to make our own 18:26 RealBadAngel but just for notes 18:26 Jordach https://github.com/iamgreaser/sackit 18:26 Jordach both of these will probably help 18:26 TerrenceCurl has oldcoder been around? 18:26 TerrenceCurl i need his notes lol 18:26 * Calinou ordered a new headset 18:26 Jordach TerrenceCurl, he's about 18:26 Calinou since we're talking about audio: p 18:26 Calinou :p* 18:26 Jordach but he's now got work 18:27 RealBadAngel jordach, hold on for a piece of marek bilinski and my code 18:27 Jordach ooh 18:28 Jordach i made a cpu song generator: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?s8i5fpw261n0fbr 18:28 Jordach exports in midi 18:29 Jordach well, thats a song 18:29 Jordach should have rephrased it 18:29 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2oLYC5PigE 18:29 RealBadAngel and my version of popcorn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnhM2w3CGkA 18:30 RealBadAngel one and only bit of music i reproduced ;) 18:30 RealBadAngel all thx to allmighty saa1059 Philips 6 channels sound chip 18:31 RealBadAngel *1069 18:31 Jordach RealBadAngel, dafuq is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnEoyEgsgig 18:31 Jordach if that's caustics, then clap clap clap 18:31 RealBadAngel ah, this is water shader :) 18:32 RealBadAngel youtube fucked whole effect up 18:32 RealBadAngel this is not something to watch in low quality 18:32 Jordach it's visible in 480p 18:33 RealBadAngel i made it in 1080p 18:33 Calinou 1440p ftw 18:33 Calinou or better, 2160p 18:33 Jordach shut it Calinou 18:34 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/kcsI7wN.jpg 18:34 RealBadAngel this is how it looks like 18:34 TerrenceCurl yes 18:34 Jordach much better 18:34 RealBadAngel any better? 18:34 TerrenceCurl god hear my prayers 18:34 TerrenceCurl OldCoder can i pm you? 18:35 Jordach RealBadAngel, make plantlike sway 18:35 Jordach and leaves 18:35 OldCoder Hi 18:35 OldCoder TerrenceCurl, Sure 18:35 LMOwnz lol ok one sec 18:35 RealBadAngel this weeken im goin to release bump mapping shaders code 18:35 Jordach LMOwnz, i liked the last nick 18:35 LMOwnz thanks 18:35 LMOwnz it was totally random 18:35 Jordach it suited you for once 18:35 LMOwnz didnt think i could get in tbh 18:36 Jordach if you act like this more often, then you'll be accepted more often 18:36 Jordach also: landmine does seem justa little harsh 18:36 RealBadAngel i also have more effects workin already 18:36 Jordach although thats a nice mod idea 18:36 Jordach landmines by landmine 18:36 RealBadAngel but theyre far more advanced 18:36 LMOwnz lol 18:36 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=90465#p90465 18:37 Jordach some of my music 18:37 RealBadAngel and requirin too much additional core changes 18:37 LMOwnz im not that good of a  modder 18:37 RealBadAngel later my changes will introduce sun, moon pos as a light source 18:38 RealBadAngel wind 18:38 RealBadAngel thus physical light source 18:38 RealBadAngel and real shading of the scene 18:39 RealBadAngel wind is for moving water and wave plants 18:39 RealBadAngel but can be used for more tasks 18:40 RealBadAngel i do have complete: sky domes, sky spheres (for stars and clouds) 18:40 RealBadAngel sun/sky position thx to fiat_lux.py 18:41 RealBadAngel so we can simulate each piece of globe 18:41 RealBadAngel up to exact date 18:41 LMOwnz jordach now that i have you in a good mood 18:41 LMOwnz do you know what i should do wiht planetminetest.com 18:41 LMOwnz ? 18:41 RealBadAngel bump mapping was introduced while making water 18:42 RealBadAngel (reflections are not done yet) 18:42 RealBadAngel but god rays and lens flare are done 18:43 RealBadAngel those last two are a cheat by now 18:43 RealBadAngel since im using my own light sources 18:45 RealBadAngel but damn, i really need some1 good wih gfx 18:46 RealBadAngel im just a coder, cant do anything fancy 18:46 RealBadAngel without proper graphic files... 18:46 Jordach LMOwnz, ehm, i think it should be used for something special like minetest affiliated content 18:47 LMOwnz of course...hmm minetest.com seems to be very inactive 18:47 Jordach LMOwnz, i have nothing against you, and nothing for you 18:47 LMOwnz or not active at all 18:47 LMOwnz i dunno what i should do lol 18:47 Jordach replace minetest.com 18:47 RealBadAngel is that shortcut for landmine? 18:48 Jordach LMOwnz, give me some time, and i could make a decent site for minetest related content 18:48 LMOwnz Yes RBA :D 18:48 Jordach LMOwnz, i'll welcome you more often if youre nice 18:49 LMOwnz you have to be nice 18:49 RealBadAngel can you leave this place? 18:49 Jordach RealBadAngel, has he caused a problem 18:49 RealBadAngel im asking you nicely 18:49 Jordach let him be 18:50 LMOwnz no RBA your not the boss of me 18:50 LMOwnz i will only leave if jordach tells me 18:50 LMOwnz :D 18:50 LMOwnz for some reason haha 18:50 LMOwnz anyhow 18:50 Jordach LMOwnz, youre a good person 18:50 RealBadAngel i just dont like such morons like you 18:50 Jordach and i've seen it before 18:50 LMOwnz i have some spare cash lol gonna get a small server running 18:50 LMOwnz and buy some hosting for the domain 18:50 Jordach LMOwnz, better idea 18:50 Jordach much much better 18:50 RealBadAngel so i asked nicely for you to leave 18:51 Jordach youre a skilled world editor right 18:51 LMOwnz not the skilled hah but go on 18:51 Jordach PM 18:51 LMOwnz k 18:52 RealBadAngel i just hate by definition folks that found joy in destroyin others creations 18:53 RealBadAngel so, you, SIR, are just unwanted bag full of shit 18:53 LMOwnz cool strory RBA 18:53 RealBadAngel spicy 18:53 RealBadAngel so get outta here 18:54 RealBadAngel sadly i dont have powers to ban you 18:54 LMOwnz true 18:55 RealBadAngel but belive me i know how 18:55 RealBadAngel i was op on ircnet channels long before you were even born 18:56 Jordach RealBadAngel, you don't know LMOwnz's age 18:56 RealBadAngel hes a student 18:56 RealBadAngel i was student 20 yrs ago 18:56 RealBadAngel clear? 18:57 drizz RealBadAngel: so what did he ruin? 18:58 RealBadAngel he took the job for minetest Al' Kaida 18:58 RealBadAngel thats why hes hated 18:58 RealBadAngel but i must admit c55 mentioned he's usefull 18:59 RealBadAngel he finds security holes 18:59 drizz oh 18:59 LMOwnz yay 18:59 * TheZenKitteh must have bad timing.. everytime I come in here someone is fussing with someone else lol 18:59 RealBadAngel sooner or later we can show him a finger 18:59 drizz like that's a hard thing todo O.o 19:01 LMOwnz no one is fussing with nobody 19:01 LMOwnz RBA is just letting everyhting he has inside him go 19:01 LMOwnz i can respect that 19:01 RealBadAngel Landmine: if you will put 10% of the effort you do in destroyin, into creation of something 19:01 RealBadAngel you would be loved here 19:01 TheZenKitteh lol "Scientists study violent winds of Uranus" 19:01 RealBadAngel but now, gtfo 19:02 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5784 19:02 drizz LMOwnz: what did you ruin 19:02 RealBadAngel 9% 19:02 TheZenKitteh so if I'm understanding this correct, LMOwnz is a griefer and RealBadAngel doesn't like that? 19:03 RealBadAngel landmine is our ultimate griefer 19:03 RealBadAngel and most annoyin shit on the channel 19:04 RealBadAngel which is propably his goal to be like that 19:04 TheZenKitteh That reminds me, how's minetest coming with griefer protections? Any changes in last about a year (last time I looked) 19:04 RealBadAngel many mods out there 19:05 TheZenKitteh I know a lot has changed in the last year lol 19:05 RealBadAngel most of them because of one fucker 19:05 RealBadAngel you want to ask me again why i dont like him? 19:06 TheZenKitteh there will always be people who like to create and people who like to destroy 19:06 rubenwardy and the people that are cretins 19:06 RealBadAngel hes more complicated 19:06 RealBadAngel hes actually inteligent 19:07 drizz speak for yourself 19:07 RealBadAngel but shall be shoot down in cradle 19:08 RealBadAngel you will never know what you gonna find in your candie 19:09 Jordach hello rapheal 19:09 Jordach TheZenKitteh, ^ 19:10 * TheZenKitteh pokerface 19:10 TheZenKitteh hey jordach 19:10 RealBadAngel so 19:11 RealBadAngel one day can come one will smuggle there tiny piece of code 19:11 RealBadAngel to cut the mexico out 19:11 drizz wat 19:11 RealBadAngel and we will forget bout landmines :P 19:12 * TheZenKitteh agrees with drizz 19:12 RealBadAngel my vote is to cut the fucker 19:13 RealBadAngel and forget bout him 19:13 TheZenKitteh lol I sense much hostility in RealBadAngel towards LMOwnz 19:13 Jordach RealBadAngel, i suggest you stop 19:13 Jordach hostility is why minetest falls apart 19:14 Jordach not to mention i can use my forum presence to sway users against you 19:14 TheZenKitteh you do know if LMOwnz is a troll, being angry at them or paying them any mind will not make them go away 19:14 TheZenKitteh as they say, don't feed the trolls 19:14 RealBadAngel its him who brings most diseasters to mt world 19:14 RealBadAngel not me 19:14 LMOwnz i have a vpn RBA they already tired that 19:14 LMOwnz so keep ranting please 19:14 LMOwnz im smiling while dirnking coke 19:15 TheZenKitteh love your enemies.. it confuses the fek out of them 19:15 drizz my.. god.. 19:15 RealBadAngel i can cut off ur continent] 19:15 drizz so much immaturity.. 19:15 RealBadAngel so choke 19:15 RealBadAngel and stfu 19:16 Jordach HEY HEY 19:16 Jordach RealBadAngel, /ignore 19:16 rubenwardy not to mention i can use my forum presence to sway users against you 19:16 rubenwardy would not work 19:16 Jordach rubenwardy, MC users go by post count 19:16 rubenwardy According to my servey, you are less respected than RBA 19:17 Jordach rubenwardy, but is he remembered after the mod is installed? 19:17 rubenwardy do you have ANY mods? 19:17 Jordach rubenwardy, wool 19:17 Jordach and its original incarnation: colour_blocks 19:17 TheZenKitteh MC users in general are ignant. there are a lot of very intelligent ones but going strictly by post count is ignant imo. one should not judge to begin with but if they must, go by quality not quantity 19:17 Jordach TheZenKitteh, explain jojoa1997 19:17 RealBadAngel sorry folks. i think youre missing the point 19:18 Jordach RealBadAngel, just ignore him# 19:18 RealBadAngel one idiot make a hobby to destroy our project 19:18 TheZenKitteh jordach explain jojoa1997 how? I don't even know who they are exactly. I've been fairly absent from minetest for awhile 19:18 Jordach TheZenKitteh, he's a dumb MC player 19:19 Jordach he can sure make a mod, but he cant look at programming in lua to save a drowing turd 19:19 RealBadAngel and we are facing him for months like ladies with too short pants 19:19 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=search&author=Jordach&search_in=topic&forum%5B%5D=11&show_as=topics&keywords=%5Bmod%5D 19:19 rubenwardy hmm 19:19 rubenwardy Nothing of value 19:19 TheZenKitteh well if he is jordach then he's one of the 75 odd % 19:19 RealBadAngel sorry with me it wont work this way 19:19 RealBadAngel im gonna cut him out permamently 19:19 Jordach rubenwardy, i never used today's standards 19:19 rubenwardy hmm 19:19 LMOwnz cool story RBA 19:20 rubenwardy It would be great if you got back into modding 19:20 LMOwnz so much negativity atm 19:20 TheZenKitteh as for looking at lua, I've looked into lua a little but due to lack of desire I haven't spent much time trying to learn it yet 19:20 Jordach rubenwardy, sure 19:21 Jordach but i dislike lua 19:21 rubenwardy I know what you mean 19:21 Jordach its horribly designed 19:21 rubenwardy Write a javascript parser in lua! 19:21 RealBadAngel LMOwnz, i dont pay a tiny shit about your what do you think. you are lost to this community. period. 19:21 rubenwardy and encourages bad practices 19:21 Jordach HEY HEY 19:21 Jordach RealBadAngel, drop it 19:21 Jordach youre antagonising 19:21 Jordach drop. it. 19:21 rubenwardy Just ignore him 19:21 rubenwardy I am 19:22 LMOwnz doesnt seem that way RBA 19:22 TheZenKitteh lol RealBadAngel, why don't you just use the ignore feature of your messenger on LMOwnz? that's what I do to people I don't wish to talk to 19:22 LMOwnz but i respect your opinion 19:22 RealBadAngel because i HATE such creatures 19:22 drizz I still don't have the slightest clue what their problem is 19:23 Jordach hold on 19:23 TheZenKitteh lol I don't hate anyone at this time. used to and found that having hate towards another even if they deserved it was pointless 19:23 Jordach i've just found a channel attack method 19:23 Jordach and we all just saw it 19:23 TheZenKitteh having hate only hurts the hater 19:24 RealBadAngel huh 19:24 LMOwnz changing my name to ShadowBot? 19:24 LMOwnz lol 19:24 LMOwnz seems legit 19:24 RealBadAngel propably 19:24 Jordach if ShadowBot changes nick, i'll test it 19:24 rubenwardy lol 19:24 rubenwardy is "ShadowBot" registered? 19:24 RealBadAngel he may be get grown with time and understand some things 19:25 Jordach rubenwardy, yes 19:25 rubenwardy meh# 19:25 rubenwardy So you can not do it 19:25 Jordach but i can type /kick BackupCoder quick enough to test 19:25 Jordach minetestbot fails to check auth 19:25 LMOwnz with webchat you can still use a registered name 19:25 LMOwnz im pretty sure with a client 19:26 LMOwnz not sure im not that good at irc or anything to this matter 19:26 RealBadAngel but sorry, ive have seen so much anger in net, caused by "you cannot see me" 19:26 RealBadAngel so ban is the first word 19:26 LMOwnz sure 19:26 TheZenKitteh RealBadAngel: think about this for a moment. if you have so much hate for LMOwnz, who between you two feels worse? 19:27 TheZenKitteh from what I can tell LMOwnz is lulzing 19:27 LMOwnz anyhow Jordach i bought the VPS lol gonna set up the server with oldcoder guide 19:27 Jordach actually, LMOwnz is being the good guy 19:27 Jordach RealBadAngel, you've become the enemy 19:27 Jordach has he attacked this channel? no. 19:27 RealBadAngel bring ANYTHING here i broke in MT world 19:27 * drizz still don't know what the fuck the issue is between the two 19:27 TheZenKitteh there is no enemy and no good or bad. its all an illusion 19:28 Jordach VanessaE, can i have a word? 19:28 RealBadAngel this guy was having fun in destroyin servers, creations of MT player 19:28 Jordach has he done it recently? 19:28 Jordach ask yourself that 19:28 RealBadAngel players 19:28 Jordach he may have reconciled 19:28 LMOwnz news flash i havent even gone on servers in months lol 19:29 TheZenKitteh or if you want to see it as such, good and bad are subjective. what is bad to one may be good to another 19:29 drizz RealBadAngel: so he's griefed, that's it? 19:29 Jordach i once left myself logged into redcrabs 0.4-dev 19:29 RealBadAngel LMOwnz, you deserved it well 19:29 Jordach and my brother griefed the fuck out of it 19:29 RealBadAngel you wonder why im aware of it?? 19:29 Jordach so before you poke fingers. actually check your info. 19:30 rubenwardy ShadowBot: bye 19:30 TheZenKitteh of course I will say that if a minetest server had enough players on at all times, could be fun having griefers around. would be a chance to wage war pvp style 19:30 rubenwardy ShadowBot: hello 19:31 TheZenKitteh of course with so few players on most that I've seen, easy for someone to log in and destroy without resistance 19:31 drizz if somebody successfully griefs, I blame the server admin, and not the griefer. 19:31 Jordach hold on. can i clear the channel for a moment 19:31 RealBadAngel thats why i admitted he helped us a bit 19:31 Jordach its no LM's fault entirely 19:31 LMOwnz thats what i said drizz lol 19:31 TheZenKitteh drizz, the server admin might not always be able to prevent it. a dedicated griefer can seem legit and behave a long time 19:31 Jordach not* 19:32 Jordach because back then griefing protection was literally SHIT 19:32 drizz TheZenKitteh: well, protection mods + world backups 19:32 RealBadAngel but his personality, finding fun in destroyin. its not my type 19:32 drizz so don't date him 19:32 Jordach and most defences now can be beated by determination 19:32 RealBadAngel jeez 19:32 TheZenKitteh protection mods tend to use a lot of resources and world backups are generally only done (on my servers) once a day 19:32 drizz 470G /opt/services/minetest/backups 19:32 drizz (ʘωʘ) 19:33 RealBadAngel even after 10 bottles of vodka and bein paid $10 millions 19:34 TheZenKitteh drizz is that zoidburg? 19:34 RealBadAngel there are things man dont do 19:34 drizz TheZenKitteh: quite possibly 19:34 rubenwardy protection mods do not need to use many resources 19:34 rubenwardy All they need to do is read from a table, and cancel placing if nessacary 19:35 rubenwardy necessary 19:35 TheZenKitteh rubenwardy: of all the protection mods I've used, all have used a lot of resources and slowed everything down quite a bit 19:35 Jordach actually its simpler than that 19:35 Jordach my design is rather simple: 19:35 Jordach allocate custom sized arrays 19:35 Jordach from say, worldedit 19:35 Jordach and then assign users who can build and dig 19:35 Jordach and each area should have names 19:36 drizz how is that not super resource-consuming? 19:36 Jordach all as separate text files 19:36 rubenwardy serialisation ftw 19:36 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: Yes, It is registered. 19:37 TheZenKitteh also to note, of the protection mods I've tried, a griefer can lag the heck out of a server with many fairly easily. I won't go into detail so as not to give any any ideas 19:37 rubenwardy They can just read the code 19:37 drizz tbh, protection shouldn't even be done in lua 19:37 OldCoder Hi 19:37 TheZenKitteh personally I think griefing protection should be in the game itself and not as a mod 19:38 TheZenKitteh hey OldCoder 19:38 rubenwardy Why not, drizz? 19:38 TheZenKitteh afk a mih 19:38 TheZenKitteh min 19:38 rubenwardy There is hacking protection in core game 19:38 drizz because you don't have enough control over your resources 19:38 STHGOM i think if a protetion mod is in the game itself it should be able to turn off 19:39 drizz i.e. there's a lot of metadata being stored and iterated on tables 19:39 rubenwardy Obvoisely 19:39 rubenwardy Also there are many different types of protection 19:39 testman42 Yo. Minetest could really use a page on Wikipedia 19:39 Jordach testman42, we tried already 19:39 testman42 And? 19:39 testman42 what happened? 19:40 Jordach deleted 19:40 rubenwardy Not enough reliable resource 19:40 rubenwardy s 19:40 Jordach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest 19:40 rubenwardy I am now #10! http://forum.minetest.net/userlist.php?username=&show_group=-1&sort_by=num_posts&sort_dir=DESC&search=Search 19:40 PilzAdam testman42, there is one in the german wikipedia 19:41 rubenwardy testman43: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rubenwardy/Minetest 19:41 rubenwardy For some reason that was not deleted 19:41 rubenwardy And it has no more reliable sources than the english one has 19:41 PilzAdam rubenwardy, maybe because its in your userspace? 19:41 rubenwardy no, for some reason the GERMAN one was not deleted 19:42 PilzAdam the german one has reliable resources 19:42 rubenwardy I think it was because it did not have it's own personal snob 19:42 PilzAdam -re 19:42 rubenwardy no it does not 19:42 rubenwardy I have looked through them 19:42 rubenwardy mostly blogs, articles and reviews. 19:42 PilzAdam well, the english wikipedia sucks then 19:43 rubenwardy Resources hunt: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbcG5Zg2bFOMTW_3EgFeIGKqvcA-Lhp-mGdDOaiQKP4/edit 19:43 rubenwardy -re 19:43 * PilzAdam wont click a google link 19:43 rubenwardy Looking for sources for minetest 19:43 rubenwardy You are stupig 19:43 rubenwardy stupid 19:43 rubenwardy Paranoid 19:44 rubenwardy What is the worst they can do, record how often you visit a page 19:44 rubenwardy ? 19:44 PilzAdam they make money with my data without giving a part of it to me 19:44 rubenwardy nope 19:44 rubenwardy They display advertising to you based on your data 19:45 PilzAdam so they make money 19:45 rubenwardy and if you do not click them, they do not recieve money 19:45 sfan5 griefer successfully banned! \o/ 19:45 Warr1024 PilzAdam: do you want me to change my pull req and add a FOV client->server packet to the protocol? 19:45 PilzAdam google also does not show unfiltered search results 19:45 PilzAdam Warr1024, yes 19:46 rubenwardy and how is that related to google drive? 19:46 Jordach sfan5, just tell RBA that LM hasnt done anything wrong 19:46 Warr1024 I'll take a shot at that. Whatever we end up deciding to do with this thing in the end, it's probably best the server have that info... 19:46 sfan5 ShadowNinja: fix yer Internet 19:46 sfan5 Jordach: why? 19:46 PilzAdam Warr1024, also fix he math if you think its wrong 19:46 Warr1024 I also noticed that our isBlockInSight function has a fair bit wrong with it, like it assumes a regular conical viewing frustrum, when the real one is more like a trapezoidal prism. 19:47 Jordach LMOwnz, i dont pay a tiny shit about your what do you think. you are lost to this community. period. 19:47 Jordach oops 19:47 Warr1024 the problem is that I don't know what the RIGHT math is... I tried a few things, and they made the problem more or less severe, but none was an optimal solution that made it go away entirely... 19:47 Jordach meant to /msg that 19:49 PilzAdam rubenwardy, if you think what google does is ok then sure, go ahead and use it 19:49 Jordach PilzAdam, best spam preventation ever 19:49 PilzAdam its my personal choice to not use google 19:49 rubenwardy I do not think it is ok 19:50 rubenwardy It should not record data for that kind of use 19:50 rubenwardy BUT 19:50 rubenwardy It does not bother me, because I do not search for adult content 19:50 rubenwardy or anything else 19:50 rubenwardy (ie: bank details) 19:50 rubenwardy And it does not sell to a third party 19:51 Jordach trust me 19:51 PilzAdam nether! 19:51 Jordach google offers me porn once in a while 19:51 Jordach 'tis a good life 19:51 PilzAdam *never 19:51 Jordach that should be our joke when we say no 19:51 Jordach nether! 19:51 Jordach nether again shall that happen 19:52 PilzAdam best nether mod ad ether! 19:52 STHGOM cya 19:52 Jordach hey Taoki 19:53 Taoki hi 19:53 rubenwardy It is impossible to avoid data recording / havesting on the internet 19:53 rubenwardy It is every where 19:53 Jordach Taoki, i might have worked out my model's bug 19:53 rubenwardy PilzAdam: http://ubuntuone.com/7fI7s63SDPNg3Sju9MSIQa 19:53 rubenwardy the content of the document on google drive 19:54 PilzAdam It is impossible to avoid data recording / havesting on the internet <- not really, noscript, adblock and blocking cookies is a good start 19:55 rubenwardy What about php side? 19:55 Jordach Taoki, Make sure all of your vertex groups have same name as at least one bone. 19:55 rubenwardy *server 19:55 Jordach fucking obvious 19:56 Warr1024 PilzAdam: actually, there are SOME tracking capabilities that are nearly impossible to block. https://panopticlick.eff.org/ 19:57 * rubenwardy is making a quirky HTML5 platform game 19:59 LMOwnz back 19:59 LMOwnz let me test what we had said 19:59 ShadowBot didnt work i think 19:59 ShadowBot lol 19:59 ShadowBot fail 20:04 Warr1024 camera.cpp, line 346: m_fov_x = 2 * atan(0.5 * m_aspect * tan(m_fov_y)); 20:04 iqualfragile Warr1024: nope, i have faked an browser request 20:04 Warr1024 to which c55 commented "WTF is this? this can't be right" 20:05 Warr1024 I think there might be something wrong with m_fov_x, which would explain why the existing isBlockInSight only seems to happen on the x axis for me, normally. 20:05 Warr1024 though it might also be related to how I'm testing... 20:06 Warr1024 iqualfragile: it doesn't matter if you fake it. If you fake it in the same way across multiple requests, they can use that to track you. 20:06 Warr1024 in fact, the less information you provide, sometimes your fingerprint is more unique. 20:07 Warr1024 the safest way to fool panopticlick is to exactly mimic the fingerprint of a popular UA. 20:07 LMOwnz hey Warr1024 20:07 Warr1024 hi 20:09 iqualfragile jup, windows 32 bit firefox right now 20:09 Warr1024 iqualfragile: it's kind of a fun game, to see how low you can get your "1 in X" score :-) 20:11 Calinou PilzAdam: +1 20:11 Calinou micheal larabel insults me every week! 20:12 Calinou for using adblock :3 20:14 * RealBadAngel is afk 20:15 Calinou away messages kill 20:15 RealBadAngel it was manual away message 20:15 RealBadAngel :P 20:17 Warr1024 therefore, also a lie. 20:17 RealBadAngel whatever, cya folks 20:17 Warr1024 :-) 20:18 RealBadAngel bed is screamin out loud 20:21 LMOwnz RealBadAngel i have someone on pm saying i shouldnt piss you off 20:22 Calinou since when beds talk 20:22 LMOwnz explain why plz 20:22 Calinou must be angelina jolie's bed then 20:22 Jordach zing 20:22 * Jordach high fives Calinou 20:22 * Calinou accepts Jordach's high fiving 20:22 Calinou 20:24 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/S792nNC 20:24 Jordach OH GAWD 20:29 LMOwnz iqualfragile are you there? 20:29 iqualfragile i am here 20:29 Calinou looks like "throw the notch" game, Jordach 20:29 LMOwnz then answer the pm 20:29 LMOwnz you didnt answer the question 20:29 Calinou it works like a random MLP game! 20:29 Calinou but with notch instead of rainbow dash. 20:29 TheZenKitteh back for a few 20:30 Jordach Calinou, oh gawd 20:30 TheZenKitteh welp nvm time to go ta ta 20:32 sfan5 Calinou: lol 20:35 Jordach fuck this gaming mic is sensitive 20:35 Jordach i can hear the hard disk noises 20:35 Calinou sound-dampened case FTW 20:35 * Calinou is getting a "closed" headset soon anyway :P 20:35 Calinou (QPAD QH-90, white) 20:35 Jordach Calinou, i use tritons 20:36 * Calinou is tired of his 20 euro philips thingy 20:36 Calinou not very comfortable, the mike is meh 20:36 Calinou but the audio quality is decent 20:36 Calinou it still lasted 2 years, impressive for that kind of headset :-D 20:37 Jordach Calinou, i can hear my own typing louder and clearer than normal ears 20:37 Jordach which is a shitty kind of statement 20:37 Calinou I can hear my keyboard easily while typing, that's quite normal 20:37 * Calinou is full SSD, no HDD, so no HDD noise 20:37 Jordach Calinou, mines like, click click click 20:38 Warr1024 Calinou: SSD noise :-) 20:38 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix Problem with uk Translation f9b5771274 2013-05-17T13:38:23-07:00 http://git.io/LXkMrw 20:38 sfan5 that translation contains russian things 20:39 Calinou Warr1024: my SSD doesn't coil whine :P 20:39 drizz looks like greek 20:39 Jordach Calinou, here's my sensitive mic in action: http://www.mediafire.com/?cvt2scuv3ud3vsc 20:39 Calinou and sound-dampened case helps a lot against coil whine anyway 20:40 * Jordach uses mediafire as omploader is down 20:40 Warr1024 Calinou: they can also create electrical noise due to variable power consumption that can leak out through a cheap sound card's DAC. 20:40 Jordach cheap sound card? i use a sound blaster audigy 20:40 Warr1024 (I used to be able to "hear" the CPU on an old machine...) 20:40 Calinou this is coil whine, pretty much 20:40 Calinou also, I use an integrated one 20:40 Calinou sound cards are marketing BS, better get good audio gear (what I'm doing) rather than a sound card 20:41 Warr1024 never heard the "coil whine" term. 20:41 Calinou also, plug your headset on the back, not on the front of your case 20:41 Jordach Calinou, bollocks 20:41 Jordach i get less 27mhz interference 20:41 Calinou makes it impossible to hear coil whine in your headset 20:41 Calinou :P 20:41 Calinou Jordach: poorly cabled PC then 20:41 Calinou in old PCs, it can improve audio quality 20:41 Jordach Calinou, my father used to use CB communications 20:41 Calinou but sound cards are russian roulette on linux :3 20:41 Jordach Calinou, mine worked 20:41 * Calinou has an ALC898 which works pretty well 20:41 Jordach my audigy is a 7.1 bastard 20:42 Calinou stereo is enough for me 20:42 Jordach also: i might start a let's play series 20:42 drizz haven't had any problems whatsoever with sound cards on linux for years 20:42 Calinou suddenly: asus, creative 20:42 Jordach uhm Calinou. i use creative and it worked with PA 20:43 Calinou well, it depends on cards :P 20:43 Jordach fuck off is it 20:43 Jordach vista is only using 512mb of ram :> 20:43 * Calinou is surprised at least two people in this channel have a dedicated sound card 20:43 Jordach Calinou, i do DJ nights occasionally 20:43 Jordach i need the hardware 20:43 Calinou ah 20:44 Calinou well it can be useful then, I don't 20:44 Jordach esp. on my dubstep electro night 20:44 OldCoder Hi 20:44 Calinou just need to use mumble/teamspeak, listen to music and play games :P 20:44 OldCoder Where have fire vessels etc. mods moved to? 20:44 Calinou "common" 20:44 Jordach OldCoder, common 20:44 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/common 20:44 Jordach which will be minetest_game again 20:44 Calinou minetest_game just provides legacy now but you still need it 20:44 OldCoder k 20:44 Calinou common is a pseudo game 20:44 Calinou you put it in "games" 20:44 OldCoder Yes 20:44 OldCoder Do I need to rename it? 20:44 Jordach common mods is a spy 20:44 OldCoder Or just provide common? 20:44 Calinou also, don't forget to update and recompile your engine :P 20:44 Warr1024 wow, holy shit, fixing m_fov_x almost fixed #718... 20:44 Calinou no, OldCoder 20:44 Calinou it should just be "common"" 20:45 Jordach -" 20:45 OldCoder proceeding 20:45 Jordach Calinou, i get better fps on vista than i do on 7 and xp 20:45 Jordach it's like my nvidia driver is built for vista 20:46 Calinou try updating to the latest driver 20:46 Calinou also, when you compare, disable desktop effects 20:47 Calinou no serious gamer but mark shuttleworth uses these 20:47 Calinou (:D) 20:49 Jordach Calinou, cant 20:49 Jordach im a GeForce 6200 20:49 Calinou ah 20:49 Jordach my driver is 308.xx 20:49 Jordach last time i checked 20:50 kaeza hi all 20:50 * Jordach thought you were VanessaE 20:50 kaeza wot 20:50 LMOwnz hi kaeza :D 20:50 Jordach you said hi all 20:50 Calinou hi 20:50 Calinou :-) 20:50 Jordach oh god no 20:51 Jordach Calinou, what have i told you about no kaeza x VanessaE 20:51 kaeza Calinou, lol 20:51 Jordach im honestly taking the piss 20:53 Jordach hey dante123 20:53 Jordach kaeza, good news 20:53 Jordach i found my original files for the handdrawn pack 20:53 dante123 hi jordach 20:54 kaeza Jordach, nice! 20:55 Calinou 126×126, made by jordach (the resolution, more than the pack) 20:56 Jordach Calinou, kaeza: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1250j3jf3okkaxh 20:56 Jordach theres the source files 20:57 kaeza lol .bmp 20:58 Warr1024 wow, that made a big difference: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5675294/ 21:00 * kaeza left the browser open all night 21:00 * kaeza had 2m candies 21:01 * kaeza hit the 'eat all candies' button ._. 21:04 Calinou well, you get lots of HP 21:04 ShadowNinja kaeza: What quest are you on? 21:04 kaeza hell 21:04 LMOwnz becomming straight 21:04 Calinou just ate 200k candies, went from 1007 HP to 1027 HP :P 21:04 Calinou hell too 21:05 * Calinou has about 8mlp 21:05 * ShadowNinja is far behind 21:05 Calinou need 11.56mlp for faster candies 21:05 Calinou better sword isn't worth it IMO :P 21:05 Calinou (level 9 right now) 21:05 ShadowNinja Calinou: Me too... 21:06 * ShadowNinja is at castle stairs. Any tips? 21:06 LMOwnz what are you guys playing? 21:06 Calinou drink health potion before neuromancer, ShadowNinja 21:07 Calinou :oops, that was not medicine: 21:08 ShadowNinja Calinou: Thanks! :-) 21:08 Calinou drink it just before the neuromancer at the end 21:08 Calinou else ghosts will halve your health 21:08 Warr1024 PilzAdam: Haven't committed it yet, but I DID manage to fix the client-side disappearing terrain issue. Haven't looked at the server-side stuff yet, but getting the client to display the blocks it already has correctly should help... 21:08 Calinou ShadowNinja: will this ban any user named LMOwnz? 21:08 ShadowNinja I drunk a few. My health in about 500 now. 21:09 ShadowNinja Calinou: No, any user with LMOwns in their ident. 21:09 PilzAdam Calinou, what was this ban for? 21:09 Calinou :/ 21:09 Calinou PilzAdam: landmine 21:10 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: iban *LMOwnz*!*@* 21:10 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Error: I need to be at least halfopped to ban someone. 21:10 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: iban *LMOwnz*!*@* 21:10 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: iban [] [--{exact,nick,user,host}] [] 21:10 Calinou what does the ! mean 21:10 ShadowNinja Calinou: It seperates the nick and ident 21:11 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: mode +b *LMOwnz*!*@* 21:11 Calinou ah, ok 21:11 Calinou so, this bans anybody named LMOwnz? 21:11 * PilzAdam sees LM join -dev and -mods... 21:12 Calinou -mods is dead 21:12 Calinou not op in -dev 21:12 ShadowNinja Calinou: Yes. Any nick containing LMOwnz. 21:12 PilzAdam Calinou, LM tries it anyway 21:12 sfan5 Calinou: -mods was not registered last time I checked 21:15 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Move kahrl to core devs in credits tab fedf644635 2013-05-17T14:15:10-07:00 http://git.io/SEftEA 21:16 PilzAdam why wanst this done already? 21:19 Warr1024 what does it take to get into contrib_active_strs? :-) 21:20 PilzAdam money 21:20 Warr1024 I thought it was code...? 21:22 PilzAdam we somewhat look at this: https://www.ohloh.net/p/minetest-c55/contributors?query=&sort=commits_12_mo 21:23 PilzAdam but there are no official rules how to get in 21:23 Warr1024 I guess I could just add it as part of a pull req? :-) 21:23 Warr1024 (or would that just cause the pull req not to get pulled...) 21:24 PilzAdam I would probably remove that part of the diff and merge the rest 21:25 Warr1024 yeah, damn, I'm only on "newest contributors" and "recently active", and not on the short list at that. 21:25 * Calinou 's kudos is 6 21:25 Calinou well, "we prefer instagib metl3" is 6 21:25 Calinou and "Calinou" is 6 too 21:25 Calinou let's add them: 12 kudos! 21:25 Calinou >:D 21:26 Warr1024 what's the kudos mean? 21:26 Calinou "primary language C++", lol 21:27 PilzAdam Calinou, "troll" was not availible as a language :-p 21:27 PilzAdam Warr1024, nobody know, but everyone wants them :D 21:28 Calinou too bad "we prefer instagib metl3" doesn't have "gettext" as his primary language 21:28 Calinou so that I can try to be hired, "hey, i'm a gettext expert, it's an awesome language" 21:28 Warr1024 well, on a more serious note... I was thinking I should break the server and client part of issue 718 into 2 different pulls, since (1) the server stuff is probably more involved, and (2) the client-side fix is pretty small, but has a significant impact on the severity of the issue... 21:29 * Kacey needs to get on that list... 21:31 PilzAdam Warr1024, you dont even have to create pull requests for very small fixes if you have the attention of a core dev 21:31 PilzAdam just link the commit in your repo 21:31 * Kacey is a good tester 21:31 Warr1024 oh, thanks. 21:31 * Calinou reached 300 comment karma on reddit (310) 21:31 * Calinou sings Richard Stallman's "Freenode Staff" 21:31 OldCoder Hi. I have successfully built and tested latest git MT somewhere. 21:31 Warr1024 trying to get this shit rebased... 21:32 Calinou Kacey: testing will not get you on that list 8) 21:32 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/f#bl02Vt2s 21:32 OldCoder In June I will attempt to update my own servers. But to do this I'd wish to keep LevelDB. 21:32 PilzAdam git rebase --mode=troll FTW 21:32 Calinou kudos is determined by amount of commits done by you (or merged) 21:32 Kacey but testing is just as important as the code itself... 21:32 OldCoder Is anybody able to tell me about degree of integration of LevelDB with current git? 21:32 PilzAdam OldCoder, we plan to merge LevelDB somewhere in the near future 21:33 PilzAdam probably directly after 0.4.7 or so 21:33 Warr1024 PilzAdam: I actually never figured out how to make rebase work for me, but since my commit(s) are already squashed, I can just cherry-pick it into a new branch :-) 21:33 OldCoder PilzAdam, I wish to update to 0.4.6 so people will be happy. 21:33 OldCoder Is there a way to merge the changes? 21:34 OldCoder If so, all right 21:34 OldCoder Rather 21:34 PilzAdam no, the pull request is not rebased to current HEAD or 0.4.6 21:34 OldCoder If not, all right 21:34 OldCoder So I'd need to merge everything manually 21:34 * OldCoder shrugs 21:34 OldCoder We'll see 21:35 PilzAdam Warr1024, if you merge pull request then you abort the rebase at the first merge confilct and shout at the one who has opened the pull request ;-) 21:36 Warr1024 I replaced my commit with one against the current master: https://github.com/Warr1024/minetest/commit/4c2459852968f4564688fe356407367c791de67e 21:36 Warr1024 branch is "issue718" 21:40 PilzAdam seems to work fine 21:41 Warr1024 awesome, thanks 21:45 Warr1024 I guess that to fix the server end of this, we'd need (1) a new packet for the client to send FOV to server, (2) somewhere for the server to store the per-client FOV settings, (3) a hook somewhere in the client to detect FOV changes and send the new FOV to the server. 21:46 Warr1024 is it easy to add a new packet type without crapping up the rest of the protocol, i.e. so that outdated servers will just ignore unexpected packets from the client? 21:51 Kacey http://youtu.be/Frtax3pXPtg 22:00 kaeza1 lol Jordach is 17? 22:00 kaeza1 I somehow thought he was in his 20s :| 22:01 kaeza1 late 20s* 22:09 PilzAdam Warr1024, can this " WTF is this? It can't be right" comment be removed? 22:09 Warr1024 actually, yes, sorry. 22:10 Warr1024 it doesn't look much improved, but it actually IS right now. 22:12 Warr1024 I'm making progress on the client/server thing. 22:12 Warr1024 I added f32 fov to player as a public property, similar to how the hud stuff was done. 22:22 MinetestBot GIT: Warr1024 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix math for isBlockInSight. Fixes #718 (client-side). 1369503aba 2013-05-17T15:13:01-07:00 http://git.io/hNyLEg 22:23 Warr1024 ooh, awesome, thanks 22:23 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/718 lol, all these references :-) 22:24 Warr1024 yeah, sorry, github n00b here. 22:24 PilzAdam you dont need to write "Fixes #123" into commit messages 22:25 PilzAdam reopened 22:25 Warr1024 thanks. 22:25 Warr1024 turns out this FOV thing is a bit more interesting, since client FOV can actually change at runtime. 22:26 PilzAdam actually only in singleplayer 22:26 Warr1024 i.e. the configured one is the same, but the ACTUAL FOV we have to use for isBlockInSight is dependent on getFovMax(), which changes if the window is resized and the aspect changes. 22:26 PilzAdam oh 22:27 Warr1024 so I'm now hunting for a good place to catch the camera being reconfigurated... 22:27 PilzAdam well, maybe its better to just send 180° then 22:27 Warr1024 it probably won't hurt much. 22:28 Warr1024 consider that a player may swing their camera around very quickly compared to walking speed, so sending stuff just beyond their peripheral vision may not be too bad 22:28 PilzAdam I mean, the client needs the blocks anyway if he moves around later on 22:28 Warr1024 yep 22:28 Warr1024 it'd be cheaper, code-wise, than trying to sync the fov up... 22:29 Warr1024 bbiab... 22:29 PilzAdam btw: I think we should move this to #minetest-dev so other core devs get attention 22:30 Warr1024 sure. gotta run for a bit, back in an hour or so... 22:36 kahrl I suggested setting the server side fov to 180° to celeron a long time ago but he said it would have a large effect on required bandwidth 22:36 kahrl I haven't done the math behind it but it sounds plausible 22:42 ShadowNinja That settles it. Wicd is evil. 23:05 anunakki OldCoder, 23:05 anunakki hey man you around? 23:06 OldCoder Yes 23:06 anunakki how you been man 23:06 OldCoder It has been quite a while! 23:06 anunakki long time no see 23:06 OldCoder ... 23:06 OldCoder Yes 23:06 OldCoder Answer is on my blog 23:06 OldCoder But PM and we can chat a bit 23:06 anunakki ok 23:13 iqualfragile OldCoder: its nice to see that you have recovered (or have you?) 23:16 Warr1024 back 23:18 OldCoder Hi 23:18 OldCoder iqualfragile, It is a process. One step at a time. I am sort of in shock at present. 23:18 OldCoder Things may level out over time. 23:18 ShadowNinja I think my network is fixed... 23:18 iqualfragile you mentioned a blog entery, i can not find it 23:19 OldCoder iqualfragile, PM then and thanks for interest 23:19 NakedFury old coders are tough. nothing cant stop them from recovering 23:20 NakedFury :D 23:20 OldCoder iqualfragile, May I post a six line fragment? 23:20 iqualfragile no problem 23:20 OldCoder Perhaps there will be a balance 23:20 OldCoder I am suspended in Time 23:20 OldCoder Like the one friend I have from that far back 23:20 OldCoder Twisted Time and I 23:20 OldCoder are lost and falling free 23:21 OldCoder It will be interesting 23:21 OldCoder to see where we land 23:21 OldCoder 23:21 OldCoder iqualfragile, if you're interested in the blog feel free to PM 23:21 OldCoder NakedFury, we will see 23:30 Gambit Okay fair warning everyone. Nikondork accidentally said "landmine" in a mirror three times. 23:31 Gambit I'm kidding.