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00:01 jojoa1997 Hi all!
00:01 VanessaE hi
00:02 kaeza hey
00:02 iqualfragile hi jojoa1997
00:02 iqualfragile timezones are strange things…
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00:05 kaeza anyone has experience programming under Java ME?
00:05 kaeza </offtopic>
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00:58 Kacey huh
01:02 OldCoder Kacey, hi
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01:35 kaeza hello sokomine
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01:48 ShadowNinja In 'candies' what do I need to do, other than getting the lolipops, to get the "better sword" from the witch? Do I have to complete a stage?
01:51 enchilado ShadowNinja: kind of, yes
01:51 enchilado You need to have the... right sword
01:51 [0gb_us] Candy Box has no real point. It's just time-based grinding, basically.
01:52 ShadowNinja enchilado: The chocolate covered one?
01:52 enchilado ShadowNinja: yeah.
01:52 enchilado [0gb_us]: um...
01:52 enchilado no... games... have a point?
01:52 [0gb_us] You nees the anvil to sharpen the chocolate sword.
01:52 enchilado They're games.
01:52 [0gb_us] Then you need to enchant it.
01:52 enchilado Oh, right.
01:52 enchilado I'd forgotten about that.
01:53 [0gb_us] Many games are actually fun though. Candy Box is a bad combination of boring yet addictive.
01:53 enchilado Why do you give a fuck what games other people like?
01:54 [0gb_us] Hmm? I don't care what people like. I was only putting in my two cents.
01:54 enchilado Your two cents don't make any sense.
01:55 [0gb_us] I disagree, but whatever.
01:55 [0gb_us] I just said Candy Bx is only time-based grinding. If you disagree, how would you describe it?
01:55 [0gb_us] *Box
01:58 enchilado [0gb_us]: you said it had no point, but no games do, regardless of how fun they are.
01:58 enchilado [0gb_us]: did you finish the game?
01:58 enchilado [0gb_us]: I'd prefer grinding where I can do other things while waiting for it to finish to a game where I have to mindlessly click on things for hours.
01:59 [0gb_us] I didn't finish, I stopped after getting up the stairs.
01:59 enchilado [0gb_us]: so you didn't even get to the interesting levels.
02:00 [0gb_us] You shouldn't have to go through many boring levels to get somewhere interesting.
02:00 [0gb_us] Mindlessly clicking in no fun either though, I agree.
02:00 enchilado They're not really boring.
02:01 enchilado It's not like you have to watch them.
02:01 [0gb_us] You sit and watch your character do stuff without you. Where's the interest?
02:01 [0gb_us] Anyway, if you have fun with it, great! I'll just stick with World of Goo, myself.
02:04 enchilado [0gb_us]: you realise later levels require interaction?
02:05 enchilado You get scrolls and potions reasonably early and later you can make your own
02:08 [0gb_us] I had scrolls and potions.
02:09 enchilado Did you have the cauldron?
02:09 [0gb_us] That didn't make it fun, that just added things to make grinding slower, as you use your candy to buy those instead of increase your strength.
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08:09 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6018
08:09 Calinou lol
08:09 * Calinou voted "human"
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08:50 * StarBlessed voted Some organism from world of imagination - Miniature Cthulhu!
09:07 Calinou more like ponies
09:08 StarBlessed Tell me you're not a bronie...  :(
09:09 * Calinou is not
09:09 StarBlessed YAY!  You can live ;)
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09:15 [0gb_us] Why do so many people have an issue with so-called "bronies"?
09:17 StarBlessed My.Little.Pony...  ick
09:18 [0gb_us] I still don't get it. A lot of people like a lot of other icky things, yet no one complains. But when it comes to cartoon horses ....
09:20 StarBlessed Its the same as carebears.  They were cartoons designed to market to the female demographic.  Not only that, but they lacked any substance at all.  The stories were hollow and really void of content.  That, and they're a bit girly for my liking.  ;)
09:22 [0gb_us] Emptiness I understand. But female primary audience? That means hating "bronies" is sexist.
09:23 StarBlessed No, Hating females is sexist.  Hating something that was designed to be a marketing ploy aimed at girls...  Thats integrity.  :P
09:24 [0gb_us] I thought you were hating the males that liked My Little Pony, but not the females. That would be sexism. Are you hating the females too then?
09:25 StarBlessed LOL!  Nice try [0gb_us].  You wont catch me out so easily.
09:25 [0gb_us] Catch you? What do you mean?
09:26 [0gb_us] You either hate both sexes for watching it, neither, or you're sexist. Those are the only three options.
09:28 StarBlessed [0gb_us]: You're twisting my words.  I wont rise to it.  Go argue with someone else.
09:29 [0gb_us] So you won't even answer a simple question of fairness? That sounds like a confession of guilt to me, but whatever. I'll leave you alone.
09:29 StarBlessed Welcome to the Internet, where every flamer has to get in the last word.
09:30 [0gb_us] I'm not flaming, I'm questioning your entirety, which you claimed to have. Having the last word does not make you a flamer.
09:31 StarBlessed ROFL.  Ok.
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09:52 VanessaE good morning
09:52 [0gb_us] Good morning, VanessaE!
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09:53 VanessaE nice little argument you have here :)
09:54 [0gb_us] Yeah. I'm known for getting into small arguments at times.
09:54 VanessaE nothing wrong with that, G*d knows I've gotten into my share of them
09:56 [0gb_us] I'm looking for good games, but most of them are for consoles ... I'm looking for something to play on my laptop. Any suggestions?
09:56 VanessaE Something good for a laptop.. hm
09:57 VanessaE well, my husband plays bejeweled, yahtzee, and a few pinball games
09:57 [0gb_us] Hmm. Interesting, but not quite what I'm after. Thanks anyway.
09:58 tripod world of goo
09:58 tripod antichamber
09:58 VanessaE well there is that candies game everyone's going ape over :)
09:58 tripod stil haven't played it
09:58 [0gb_us] I'll look into Antichamber. I just finished World of Goo this morning.
09:59 [0gb_us] Candy Box is addicting, but not entertaining. Bad combination.
10:02 VanessaE well you have to ask yourself something:
10:02 VanessaE what is it about a game that you'd describe as "entertaining"?
10:02 [0gb_us] I can't really tell what you're supposed to do in Antichamber. It looks like puzzles built into walls and tunnels that lead back to where you started.
10:02 VanessaE particularly if the game is already addictive.
10:04 [0gb_us] Well, there's got to be some sort of goal. And waiting around like in Candy Box doesn't seem entertaining.
10:05 VanessaE I would guess, without having played it, that Candy Box's goal is to just gain lots of candy, with the intent that you compete with others at the same task, sorta like playing Monopoly.
10:05 [0gb_us] It's not multiplayer. Other than that, yeah.
10:05 VanessaE well I mean one person versus another in separate games
10:06 [0gb_us] You sit and wait for candy to accumulate so you can increase your accumulation rate.
10:06 VanessaE you know, "I got X candies now!"  "Oh yeah?  Well I have X+100000 now in my game!"  etc.
10:06 [0gb_us] Hmm. Maybe that's why it doesn't interest me. I;m not competitive.
10:07 VanessaE maybe get an emulator for some older computer or console (e.g ePSXe, VICE, Stella, whatever) and try some games from that era.  There was a different quality to them that modern games lack.
10:08 * [0gb_us] 's speakers have quit functioning
10:08 [0gb_us] Is that even legal though?
10:08 VanessaE one of my favorites was Crash Bandicoot 3. Fucking addictive, and actually fun.
10:08 VanessaE no, it isn't, but who gives two shits about copyright of old abandonware?
10:09 VanessaE (to the degree of copying it for personal use I mean)
10:11 [0gb_us] I actually wish I could run Gamecube CDs on my computer. I'd buy them, I just don't want the console.
10:12 VanessaE there might be an emulator for that by now
10:12 VanessaE "Dolphin" appears to be one such
10:12 VanessaE http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/gamecube/
10:12 [0gb_us] I'll be right back. I'm going to reboot to try to restore my sound.
10:12 VanessaE ok
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10:16 [0gb_us] Okay, that worked.
10:18 VanessaE good
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11:30 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:30 VanessaE hi
11:35 VanessaE http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3757801&amp;cid=43747257
11:35 VanessaE lol
11:35 VanessaE (particularly, the AC at the end)
11:42 sfan5 hi
11:49 VanessaE hey
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12:02 jojoa1997 Hello all!
12:02 VanessaE morning
12:06 john_minetest hello jojoa1997
12:07 Calinou hi
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12:47 sfan5 MinetestBot!
12:47 MinetestBot sfan5!
13:06 Kacey i want to make a morebiomes mod... anyone want to help?
13:07 PilzAdam not until the API for v7 is out
13:07 PilzAdam and its trivial with that
13:07 VanessaE Kacey: use plants_lib.
13:07 VanessaE that's its purpose.
13:08 Kacey i guess i shall make a version for both
13:08 Kacey one for V6 and one for V7
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13:25 arsdragonfly http://minetest.net/servers
13:25 arsdragonfly lol the ip address looks funny
13:26 VanessaE which one?
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13:38 VanessaE brb
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13:40 arsdragonfly The one in the example
13:40 VanessaE oh heh
13:40 VanessaE yeah I see that now
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13:41 iqualfragile good morning
13:41 VanessaE morning
13:42 Kacey how do i register a channel?
13:42 PilzAdam -> #freenode
13:44 sfan5 12.34.567.890 is not even a valid ip
13:45 sfan5 12.34.56.78 would be
13:45 iqualfragile 123456789?
13:47 VanessaE bbl
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14:33 john_minetest There is a Top Level Domain called "int" (for international stuff). Hmmm... Would be funny if there was a "http://char.int" :D
14:33 PilzAdam there isnt :-(
14:45 RealBadAngel www.hmmm.float
14:45 RealBadAngel or double? ;)
14:46 RealBadAngel hi folks
14:47 sfan5 http://printf.hello.world
14:48 PilzAdam http://system.out.println.hello.world
14:57 RealBadAngel http://10 print "Hi" 20 goto 10.run
14:59 RealBadAngel good that is weekend
15:01 * RealBadAngel listens to Rama II - Long... LOUD
15:01 RealBadAngel thx to mt-main menu music player ;)
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15:02 sfan5 what I wanted to do but didn't do yet: "create an emulator for a hardware platform (designed by me) and make an assembler for it"
15:02 sfan5 !op ShadowBot
15:02 RealBadAngel use z80 lib
15:02 RealBadAngel you can define your own opcodes with it
15:03 RealBadAngel in fact you can redesign it to emulate any cpu. even non existant
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15:05 RealBadAngel http://libz80.sourceforge.net/
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15:07 Jordach hey all
15:07 Jordach there
15:08 Jordach that sunufabitch is gone
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15:12 Kust Hi all when i try to play minetest and press on the exe it says it stopped working. btw i got windows 8
15:12 Jordach Kust, is this 0.4.6 stable right?
15:13 Kust yes it is
15:13 PilzAdam Kust, can you try to get some debug output as described here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073 ?
15:13 Jordach and not to mention this is not on a ARM Processor
15:13 Kust ok
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15:16 Kust but i got no debug because minetest won't run
15:16 PilzAdam can your run the exe from cmd?
15:16 PilzAdam *you
15:16 Kust how do i do thath ?
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15:17 Kust i opned the cmd
15:17 Kust *opened
15:17 PilzAdam just use cd to get to the minetest/bin directory and type "minetest.exe"
15:17 Kust ok
15:18 Kust ok
15:18 Kust i am at the exe and right cliked
15:18 Kust and the properties
15:18 Jordach Kust, is your Windows 8 a surface?
15:18 Kust surface ?
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15:19 rubenwardy hi all
15:20 Kust what do you mean by surface ?
15:21 rubenwardy It is incredible annoying how youtube handles comments
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15:22 Superpelican Hello everyone
15:22 Superpelican I'm having problems with Minetest 0.4.6 under openSUSE 12.3 X86_64
15:23 Superpelican I get a extremely small screen
15:24 Jordach Superpelican, re size the window
15:24 Jordach thats it
15:24 PilzAdam Kust, Im not very familiar with Windows 8; IIRC there was a topic in the forums, maybe you find help there
15:24 Superpelican That wasn't exactly want I meant
15:24 Jordach Superpelican, youre using irrlicht 1.8.x right?
15:24 Jordach thats the cause aparently
15:25 Superpelican I installed Minetest from the openSUSE 12.3 games repo
15:25 Superpelican I got a small screen inside the Minetest window
15:25 Superpelican The rest was black
15:25 Superpelican But now after months it is suddenly gone!
15:26 Superpelican I just started Minetest to make a screenshot of the bug and post it and then it was gone!
15:27 PilzAdam Superpelican, this "small window inside the window" bug is known; you can fix it by resizing the window; it also only appears with Irrlicht 1.8
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15:30 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=90607#p90607
15:30 Superpelican Thanks, I had already searched the web about it a few times but didn't find anything so thought I was the only one having it
15:34 Jordach yay, openshot for windows is being made
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15:45 Jordach OldCoder, youre client is join spamming
15:45 STHGOM byehibyehibyehi!!!
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15:47 Jordach ShadowBot` sucks ass
15:48 OldCoder Hi
15:48 OldCoder Jordach, Not spamming
15:48 OldCoder Jordach, I have network problems today.... trying to fix them
15:48 Jordach ah
15:48 OldCoder Need to rejoin again
15:49 Jordach aye
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15:57 rubenwardy back!
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16:03 STHGOM hi
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16:19 STHGOM hi
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16:22 PilzAdam STHGOM, could you please stop saying "hi" every 5 minutes?
16:23 rubenwardy hi
16:23 Jordach hi
16:23 Calinou PilzAdam: edit his /etc/cron file
16:23 rubenwardy hi
16:23 RealBadAngel hi
16:23 rubenwardy hi
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16:24 PilzAdam rm -f STHGOM/etc/cron
16:25 rubenwardy Ideas: (I will probably get kicked for this)
16:25 rubenwardy > Minetest day
16:25 rubenwardy > Lets annoy PilzAdam day
16:25 rubenwardy > Good mese remembrance day
16:25 rubenwardy nope
16:25 RealBadAngel hi TheLastProject
16:25 rubenwardy hi!
16:25 TheLastProject Hi?
16:25 RealBadAngel sure, hi :)
16:25 RealBadAngel its a "Hi" day today
16:25 PilzAdam <rubenwardy> > Lets annoy PilzAdam day <- probably a bad idea to annoy OPs >:-)
16:26 Jordach not in this channel
16:26 Jordach :P
16:26 PilzAdam :-(
16:26 RealBadAngel chill out PA and just say "HI" :)
16:26 PilzAdam NO
16:27 * Jordach passes some weed to PilzAdam, after all, Pilz is mushroom
16:27 RealBadAngel hehe
16:27 PilzAdam Jordach, farming:weed ?
16:27 Jordach weed:spliff
16:27 * Calinou smokes some farming:weed
16:27 * Calinou now smokes a trollinou:480
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16:27 RealBadAngel hi there fella :)
16:28 * Calinou is now deaf since the fan of that 480 started spinning
16:28 RealBadAngel deaf or not, you  can still read
16:28 * Jordach rolls on the floor laughing
16:30 RealBadAngel PA? so? you dont want to say simple "hi" to us?
16:30 Calinou pulseaudio doesn't say "hi"
16:30 Calinou it says "phphihapaihpiohpi"
16:30 PilzAdam http://youtu.be/gvdf5n-zI14
16:31 john_minetest Calinou: There is the educational drugs mod with weed and stuff. Based on PA'S farming.
16:31 Jordach last night i saw something funny
16:31 Jordach i swear i saw an ad with Calinou in it
16:35 RealBadAngel too much weed farmed? ;)
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16:42 Calinou Jordach: ad about red eclipse?
16:42 Jordach Calinou, some french yougurt
16:43 Jordach calin+ was the name
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16:51 Calinou lol
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17:17 PilzAdam Calinou, there is still one untranslated string in the French Minetest translation
17:18 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, Polish needs an update, too
17:20 Calinou done
17:21 PilzAdam "ZQSD"... ?
17:23 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, i will update in on weekend
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17:24 Jordach cisoun, update your pack
17:25 RealBadAngel i am lookin now for music to create presentation of new features
17:25 RealBadAngel i mean shaders
17:26 RealBadAngel i decided for two tunes composed by marek bilinski
17:26 RealBadAngel ofc covers of them
17:26 RealBadAngel well, i said i decided
17:26 Calinou PilzAdam: azerty keyboards
17:27 RealBadAngel im not sure which one to pick up
17:27 Calinou on windows, the conversion is done automagically
17:27 RealBadAngel this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbonWLPkkuo
17:27 Calinou but on linux most people will rebind :P
17:27 Calinou ideally the keys should be shown according to what the player uses
17:27 Calinou :/
17:27 Calinou gtg now
17:27 PilzAdam Calinou, how about "WASD / ZQSD" then?
17:28 RealBadAngel or this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6J57bfKzpM
17:29 STHGOM bye
17:29 RealBadAngel hi
17:29 RealBadAngel you mean "hi" :p
17:29 STHGOM i do?
17:29 RealBadAngel you did
17:30 STHGOM bye
17:30 RealBadAngel its international sayin hello and hi day
17:30 RealBadAngel aw, he was just rude ;)
17:31 RealBadAngel have you guys clicked the links i posted?
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17:32 RealBadAngel theyre imho nice pieces of music so dont afraid to ;)
17:33 RealBadAngel i think im gonna use the second one
17:34 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/Mercury%20Rain.ogg
17:34 RealBadAngel hehe
17:34 RealBadAngel i know
17:34 RealBadAngel but those two pieces are POLISH
17:34 RealBadAngel by Marek Bilinski
17:35 * Jordach recycles the minetest folder
17:35 RealBadAngel lemme find the originals of those two
17:35 RealBadAngel both are more than 20 yrs old
17:36 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUU0f3FWGhs
17:36 RealBadAngel 1984
17:37 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yObk06-EeUg
17:37 RealBadAngel 1987
17:39 RealBadAngel imho this musician was born in the wrong country
17:39 RealBadAngel and the wrong time
17:40 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TX44xnIBUA
17:40 RealBadAngel hes equal to JM Jarre
17:40 Jordach i actually own this game
17:40 Jordach and still play it
17:41 RealBadAngel but thats not music at all
17:41 PilzAdam Jordach, we should rename Minetest to "Minetest 3D" to be moderns :D
17:41 PilzAdam -s
17:41 RealBadAngel i had to lower the volume
17:41 RealBadAngel its trash
17:41 Jordach RealBadAngel, lemme find the cd versions
17:42 RealBadAngel to much "shhh shhh shhh's"
17:42 RealBadAngel ears are hurting
17:42 Jordach RealBadAngel, ah, youre sound equaliser is over the top
17:42 RealBadAngel and melody is artificial
17:43 RealBadAngel its a melody "lets grab toilet paper and head to wc"
17:43 RealBadAngel and say "hi ho, to toilet we go"
17:45 Jordach RealBadAngel, same artist, as mp3: http://66.90.118.45:777/ost/iridion-ii/gpqtsgzqxo/28-credits-interstellar-journey-.mp3
17:45 RealBadAngel ok i will try
17:45 RealBadAngel dl'ing
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17:46 Jordach RealBadAngel, this is from the sequel
17:46 * Jordach can't find the original credits
17:46 Jordach RealBadAngel, heres the albums: http://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/iridion-ii and http://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/iridion-3d-ii-arranged-soundtrack-perfect-selection
17:47 RealBadAngel started as merry christmas but then went sad
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17:49 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://66.90.118.45:777/ost/iridion-3d-ii-arranged-soundtrack-perfect-selection/lxdzdqnhqk/06-spiral-bliss.mp3
17:49 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SiZrwhHh2E
17:50 RealBadAngel this is original author, 20 and some more yrs later
17:50 RealBadAngel live
17:51 RealBadAngel you know why i like this particular melody?
17:51 RealBadAngel its the very same kind Popcorn is
17:52 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://66.90.118.45:777/ost/iridion-ii/nfnwqxyqob/09-azuki-canyon-aniki-.mp3
17:52 RealBadAngel VERY hard to forget
17:52 Jordach probably my favourite
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17:54 TheLastProject Hmm, I guess fish has some nice stuff...
17:54 RealBadAngel click and watch this:
17:54 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST6jaaYCCX4
17:55 RealBadAngel close your eyes and hear
17:55 RealBadAngel original record
17:55 RealBadAngel black one
17:55 RealBadAngel vinyl
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17:58 RealBadAngel Jordach, how old are you?
17:58 Jordach 17
17:58 RealBadAngel :)
17:58 RealBadAngel im 41
17:59 RealBadAngel so no wonder we do like different scores
17:59 Jordach RealBadAngel, heres the original game's ost: http://www.iridion2.com/files/iridion_soundtrack_single_02_iridion_3d_spacestation_snippet.mp3
17:59 Jordach its a small snipper
17:59 Jordach snippet*
18:00 OldCoder Hi
18:00 RealBadAngel this is actually a nice one part
18:00 RealBadAngel Hi OldCoder
18:00 OldCoder Jordach, PM
18:00 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Howdy
18:00 RealBadAngel good, and you?
18:00 RealBadAngel have you found new place for yourself?
18:02 RealBadAngel Jordach, still nice, has a melody, toooo short, not usable
18:02 RealBadAngel nice jiggle
18:02 RealBadAngel i think i need to recover my demoscene contacts
18:04 RealBadAngel most of the folks that were member of our group are stil active
18:05 RealBadAngel i lately found out that guy who made music for my games and demo scores was makin background music for tv shows with polish president
18:05 Jordach oh thats fucking fantasic
18:06 RealBadAngel i dont know who to call
18:06 Jordach ghostbusters?
18:06 RealBadAngel the president or find a number service lol
18:06 RealBadAngel im not kidding
18:07 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=andysynthe&amp;oq=andy&amp;gs_l=youtube.3.0.35i39j0l9.1397.2693.0.5152.4.4.0.0.0.0.114.373.3j1.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.Bx-26bjJv9A
18:07 RealBadAngel 3 results
18:07 RealBadAngel 2 with polish president
18:07 RealBadAngel 3rd is my game
18:08 john_minetest lol
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18:13 TerrenceCurl VAnessaE
18:13 TerrenceCurl can i pm you
18:13 TerrenceCurl ?
18:13 Calinou lol, TF2
18:13 TerrenceCurl VanessaE ^^^^^
18:13 Jordach hai LandMinwe
18:13 Jordach Mine*
18:13 TerrenceCurl hey
18:13 Jordach youre building is better than mine
18:14 TerrenceCurl what building?
18:14 Calinou ad for the mann co store:
18:14 Calinou READY
18:14 Calinou 10 PRINT "HEAVY NEEDS A HAT"
18:14 Calinou 20 GOTO SHOP
18:14 Calinou RUN
18:14 TerrenceCurl i have been playing with sfans minecraft to minetest script
18:14 TerrenceCurl it works
18:15 Jordach LM, yeah, i guessed that
18:15 Jordach fuck sakes MobileDeviceHelper: stop crashing
18:15 Calinou mmm, TF2 wants me to download an update
18:15 * Calinou restarts steam
18:15 Jordach is it steam efficient format
18:16 Calinou yeah
18:16 Calinou but I can't download anymore
18:16 Jordach then fuck it
18:16 * Calinou 's brother is back on his laptop
18:17 TerrenceCurl look Jordach
18:17 TerrenceCurl http://i.minus.com/ijtFZDaItPbR2.png
18:17 TerrenceCurl it took some moving to ge tit right
18:17 Jordach \O/
18:17 TerrenceCurl LOL
18:18 Calinou -1 for no shaders
18:18 Calinou +1 for voxel art :D
18:18 Jordach so its -+0
18:19 Jordach if its sign and magnitude
18:19 * Calinou is playing xonotic
18:19 TerrenceCurl i never tried the shaders i think
18:19 TerrenceCurl or any other new feature
18:19 Jordach huh
18:20 TerrenceCurl still that shadow glitch is killing me
18:20 TerrenceCurl when you w.e a giant chunk out
18:20 TerrenceCurl you get a giant shadow
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18:20 TerrenceCurl and using //fixlight takes forever
18:20 TerrenceCurl and plating saplings does too lol
18:20 TerrenceCurl before planting saplings made the whole shadow go away
18:20 TerrenceCurl no it seems to get darker
18:21 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noKH_RXHrVI
18:21 RealBadAngel ok, whos willin to make more up to date version of this tune?
18:22 Jordach RealBadAngel, got a midi file?
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18:22 RealBadAngel there was no midi those time with this hardware
18:23 RealBadAngel all was hardcoded
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18:23 Jordach RealBadAngel, mod converters exist
18:23 GhostlyDeath joined #minetest
18:23 Jordach im not hunting one down
18:23 RealBadAngel we had saa philips synthetiser then
18:24 RealBadAngel we used 2 channels and force interfere of sound waves
18:24 RealBadAngel to produce guitars, drums etc
18:24 Jordach RealBadAngel, code this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6023
18:24 RealBadAngel no fuckin mod player around to play our music
18:25 TerrenceCurl thats a bad idea Jordach
18:25 TerrenceCurl atleast the fact that one can send files to a server :D
18:25 Jordach TerrenceCurl, its actually one specified file
18:25 TerrenceCurl yeah .png
18:25 RealBadAngel lol
18:25 Jordach RealBadAngel, https://github.com/iamgreaser/it2everything
18:26 RealBadAngel we used mod specification to make our own
18:26 RealBadAngel but just for notes
18:26 Jordach https://github.com/iamgreaser/sackit
18:26 Jordach both of these will probably help
18:26 TerrenceCurl has oldcoder been around?
18:26 TerrenceCurl i need his notes lol
18:26 * Calinou ordered a new headset
18:26 Jordach TerrenceCurl, he's about
18:26 Calinou since we're talking about audio: p
18:26 Calinou :p*
18:26 Jordach but he's now got work
18:27 RealBadAngel jordach, hold on for a piece of marek bilinski and my code
18:27 Jordach ooh
18:28 Jordach i made a cpu song generator: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?s8i5fpw261n0fbr
18:28 Jordach exports in midi
18:29 Jordach well, thats a song
18:29 Jordach should have rephrased it
18:29 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2oLYC5PigE
18:29 RealBadAngel and my version of popcorn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnhM2w3CGkA
18:30 RealBadAngel one and only bit of music i reproduced ;)
18:30 RealBadAngel all thx to allmighty saa1059 Philips 6 channels sound chip
18:31 RealBadAngel *1069
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18:31 Jordach RealBadAngel, dafuq is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnEoyEgsgig
18:31 Jordach if that's caustics, then clap clap clap
18:31 RealBadAngel ah, this is water shader :)
18:32 RealBadAngel youtube fucked whole effect up
18:32 RealBadAngel this is not something to watch in low quality
18:32 Jordach it's visible in 480p
18:33 RealBadAngel i made it in  1080p
18:33 Calinou 1440p ftw
18:33 Calinou or better, 2160p
18:33 Jordach shut it Calinou
18:34 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/kcsI7wN.jpg
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18:34 RealBadAngel this is how it looks like
18:34 TerrenceCurl yes
18:34 Jordach much better
18:34 RealBadAngel any better?
18:34 TerrenceCurl god hear my prayers
18:34 TerrenceCurl OldCoder can i pm you?
18:35 Jordach RealBadAngel, make plantlike sway
18:35 Jordach and leaves
18:35 OldCoder Hi
18:35 OldCoder TerrenceCurl, Sure
18:35 LMOwnz lol ok one sec
18:35 RealBadAngel this weeken im goin to release bump mapping shaders code
18:35 Jordach LMOwnz, i liked the last nick
18:35 LMOwnz thanks
18:35 LMOwnz it was totally random
18:35 Jordach it suited you for once
18:35 LMOwnz didnt think i could get in tbh
18:36 Jordach if you act like this more often, then you'll be accepted more often
18:36 Jordach also: landmine does seem justa little harsh
18:36 RealBadAngel i also have more effects  workin already
18:36 Jordach although thats a nice mod idea
18:36 Jordach landmines by landmine
18:36 RealBadAngel but theyre far more advanced
18:36 LMOwnz lol
18:36 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=90465#p90465
18:37 Jordach some of my music
18:37 RealBadAngel and requirin too much additional core changes
18:37 LMOwnz im not that good of a  modder
18:37 RealBadAngel later my changes will introduce sun, moon pos as a light source
18:38 RealBadAngel wind
18:38 RealBadAngel thus physical light source
18:38 RealBadAngel and real shading of the scene
18:39 RealBadAngel wind is for moving water and wave plants
18:39 RealBadAngel but can be used for more tasks
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18:40 RealBadAngel i do have complete: sky domes, sky spheres (for stars and clouds)
18:40 RealBadAngel sun/sky position thx to fiat_lux.py
18:41 RealBadAngel so we can simulate each piece of globe
18:41 RealBadAngel up to exact date
18:41 LMOwnz jordach now that i have you in a good mood
18:41 LMOwnz do you know what i should do wiht planetminetest.com
18:41 LMOwnz ?
18:41 RealBadAngel bump mapping was introduced while making water
18:42 RealBadAngel (reflections are not done yet)
18:42 RealBadAngel but god rays and lens flare are done
18:43 RealBadAngel those last two are a cheat by now
18:43 RealBadAngel since im using my own light sources
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18:45 RealBadAngel but damn, i really need some1 good wih gfx
18:46 RealBadAngel im just a coder, cant do anything fancy
18:46 RealBadAngel without proper graphic files...
18:46 Jordach LMOwnz, ehm, i think it should be used for something special like minetest affiliated content
18:47 LMOwnz of course...hmm minetest.com seems to be very inactive
18:47 Jordach LMOwnz, i have nothing against you, and nothing for you
18:47 LMOwnz or not active at all
18:47 LMOwnz i dunno what i should do lol
18:47 Jordach replace minetest.com
18:47 RealBadAngel is that shortcut for landmine?
18:48 Jordach LMOwnz, give me some time, and i could make a decent site for minetest related content
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18:48 LMOwnz Yes RBA :D
18:48 Jordach LMOwnz, i'll welcome you more often if youre nice
18:49 LMOwnz you have to be nice
18:49 RealBadAngel can you leave this place?
18:49 Jordach RealBadAngel, has he caused a problem
18:49 RealBadAngel im asking you nicely
18:49 Jordach let him be
18:50 LMOwnz no RBA your not the boss of me
18:50 LMOwnz i will only leave if jordach tells me
18:50 LMOwnz :D
18:50 LMOwnz for some reason haha
18:50 LMOwnz anyhow
18:50 Jordach LMOwnz, youre a good person
18:50 RealBadAngel i just dont like such morons like you
18:50 Jordach and i've seen it before
18:50 LMOwnz i have some spare cash lol gonna get a small server running
18:50 LMOwnz and buy some hosting for the domain
18:50 Jordach LMOwnz, better idea
18:50 Jordach much much better
18:50 RealBadAngel so i asked nicely for you to leave
18:51 Jordach youre a skilled world editor right
18:51 LMOwnz not the skilled hah but go on
18:51 Jordach PM
18:51 LMOwnz k
18:52 RealBadAngel i just hate by definition folks that found joy in destroyin others creations
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18:53 RealBadAngel so, you, SIR, are just unwanted bag full of shit
18:53 LMOwnz cool strory RBA
18:53 RealBadAngel spicy
18:53 RealBadAngel so get outta here
18:54 RealBadAngel sadly i dont have powers to ban you
18:54 LMOwnz true
18:55 RealBadAngel but belive me i know how
18:55 RealBadAngel i was op on ircnet channels long before you were even born
18:56 Jordach RealBadAngel, you don't know LMOwnz's age
18:56 RealBadAngel hes a student
18:56 RealBadAngel i was student 20 yrs ago
18:56 RealBadAngel clear?
18:57 drizz RealBadAngel: so what did he ruin?
18:58 RealBadAngel he took the job for minetest Al' Kaida
18:58 RealBadAngel thats why hes hated
18:58 RealBadAngel but i must admit c55 mentioned he's usefull
18:59 RealBadAngel he finds security holes
18:59 drizz oh
18:59 LMOwnz yay
18:59 * TheZenKitteh must have bad timing.. everytime I come in here someone is fussing with someone else lol
18:59 RealBadAngel sooner or later we can show him a finger
18:59 drizz like that's a hard thing todo O.o
19:01 LMOwnz no one is fussing with nobody
19:01 LMOwnz RBA is just letting everyhting he has inside him go
19:01 LMOwnz i can respect that
19:01 RealBadAngel Landmine: if you will put 10% of the effort you do in destroyin, into creation of something
19:01 RealBadAngel you would be loved here
19:01 TheZenKitteh lol "Scientists study violent winds of Uranus"
19:01 RealBadAngel but now, gtfo
19:02 Jordach RealBadAngel, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5784
19:02 drizz LMOwnz: what did you ruin
19:02 RealBadAngel 9%
19:02 TheZenKitteh so if I'm understanding this correct, LMOwnz is a griefer and RealBadAngel doesn't like that?
19:03 RealBadAngel landmine is our ultimate griefer
19:03 RealBadAngel and most annoyin shit on the channel
19:04 RealBadAngel which is propably his goal to be like that
19:04 TheZenKitteh That reminds me, how's minetest coming with griefer protections? Any changes in last about a year (last time I looked)
19:04 RealBadAngel many mods out there
19:05 TheZenKitteh I know a lot has changed in the last year lol
19:05 RealBadAngel most of them because of one fucker
19:05 RealBadAngel you want to ask me again why i dont like him?
19:06 TheZenKitteh there will always be people who like to create and people who like to destroy
19:06 rubenwardy and the people that are cretins
19:06 RealBadAngel hes more complicated
19:06 RealBadAngel hes actually inteligent
19:07 drizz speak for yourself
19:07 RealBadAngel but shall be shoot down in cradle
19:08 RealBadAngel you will never know what you gonna find in your candie
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19:09 john_minetest hi onpon4
19:09 Jordach hello rapheal
19:09 Jordach TheZenKitteh, ^
19:10 * TheZenKitteh pokerface
19:10 TheZenKitteh hey jordach
19:10 RealBadAngel so
19:11 RealBadAngel one day can come one will smuggle there tiny piece of code
19:11 RealBadAngel to cut the mexico out
19:11 drizz wat
19:11 RealBadAngel and we will forget bout landmines :P
19:12 * TheZenKitteh agrees with drizz
19:12 RealBadAngel my vote is to cut the fucker
19:13 RealBadAngel and forget bout him
19:13 TheZenKitteh lol I sense much hostility in RealBadAngel towards LMOwnz
19:13 Jordach RealBadAngel, i suggest you stop
19:13 Jordach hostility is why minetest falls apart
19:14 Jordach not to mention i can use my forum presence to sway users against you
19:14 TheZenKitteh you do know if LMOwnz is a troll, being angry at them or paying them any mind will not make them go away
19:14 TheZenKitteh as they say, don't feed the trolls
19:14 RealBadAngel its him who brings most diseasters to mt world
19:14 RealBadAngel not me
19:14 LMOwnz i have a vpn RBA they already tired that
19:14 LMOwnz so keep ranting please
19:14 LMOwnz im smiling while dirnking coke
19:15 TheZenKitteh love your enemies.. it confuses the fek out of them
19:15 drizz my.. god..
19:15 RealBadAngel i can cut off ur continent]
19:15 drizz so much immaturity..
19:15 RealBadAngel so choke
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19:15 RealBadAngel and stfu
19:16 Jordach HEY HEY
19:16 Jordach RealBadAngel, /ignore
19:16 rubenwardy <Jordach> not to mention i can use my forum presence to sway users against you
19:16 rubenwardy would not work
19:16 Jordach rubenwardy, MC users go by post count
19:16 rubenwardy According to my servey, you are less respected than RBA
19:17 Jordach rubenwardy, but is he remembered after the mod is installed?
19:17 rubenwardy do you have ANY mods?
19:17 Jordach rubenwardy, wool
19:17 Jordach and its original incarnation: colour_blocks
19:17 TheZenKitteh MC users in general are ignant. there are a lot of very intelligent ones but going strictly by post count is ignant imo. one should not judge to begin with but if they must, go by quality not quantity
19:17 Jordach TheZenKitteh, explain jojoa1997
19:17 RealBadAngel sorry folks. i think youre missing the point
19:18 Jordach RealBadAngel, just ignore him#
19:18 RealBadAngel one idiot make a hobby to destroy our project
19:18 TheZenKitteh jordach explain jojoa1997 how? I don't even know who they are exactly. I've been fairly absent from minetest for awhile
19:18 Jordach TheZenKitteh, he's a dumb MC player
19:19 Jordach he can sure make a mod, but he cant look at programming in lua to save a drowing turd
19:19 RealBadAngel and we are facing him for months like ladies with too short pants
19:19 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=search&amp;author=Jordach&amp;search_in=topic&amp;forum%5B%5D=11&amp;show_as=topics&amp;keywords=%5Bmod%5D
19:19 rubenwardy hmm
19:19 rubenwardy Nothing of value
19:19 TheZenKitteh well if he is jordach then he's one of the 75 odd %
19:19 RealBadAngel sorry with me it wont work this way
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19:19 RealBadAngel im gonna cut him out permamently
19:19 Jordach rubenwardy, i never used today's standards
19:19 rubenwardy hmm
19:19 LMOwnz cool story RBA
19:20 rubenwardy It would be great if you got back into modding
19:20 LMOwnz so much negativity atm
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19:20 TheZenKitteh as for looking at lua, I've looked into lua a little but due to lack of desire I haven't spent much time trying to learn it yet
19:20 Jordach rubenwardy, sure
19:21 Jordach but i dislike lua
19:21 rubenwardy I know what you mean
19:21 Jordach its horribly designed
19:21 rubenwardy Write a javascript parser in lua!
19:21 RealBadAngel LMOwnz, i dont pay a tiny shit about your what do you think. you are lost to this community. period.
19:21 rubenwardy and encourages bad practices
19:21 Jordach HEY HEY
19:21 Jordach RealBadAngel, drop it
19:21 Jordach youre antagonising
19:21 Jordach drop. it.
19:21 rubenwardy Just ignore him
19:21 rubenwardy I am
19:22 LMOwnz doesnt seem that way RBA
19:22 TheZenKitteh lol RealBadAngel, why don't you just use the ignore feature of your messenger on LMOwnz? that's what I do to people I don't wish to talk to
19:22 LMOwnz but i respect your opinion
19:22 RealBadAngel because i HATE such creatures
19:22 drizz I still don't have the slightest clue what their problem is
19:23 Jordach hold on
19:23 TheZenKitteh lol I don't hate anyone at this time. used to and found that having hate towards another even if they deserved it was pointless
19:23 Jordach i've just found a channel attack method
19:23 Jordach and we all just saw it
19:23 TheZenKitteh having hate only hurts the hater
19:24 RealBadAngel huh
19:24 LMOwnz changing my name to ShadowBot?
19:24 LMOwnz lol
19:24 LMOwnz seems legit
19:24 RealBadAngel propably
19:24 Jordach if ShadowBot changes nick, i'll test it
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19:24 rubenwardy lol
19:24 rubenwardy is "ShadowBot" registered?
19:24 RealBadAngel he may be get grown with time and understand some things
19:25 Jordach rubenwardy, yes
19:25 rubenwardy meh#
19:25 rubenwardy So you can not do it
19:25 Jordach but i can type /kick BackupCoder quick enough to test
19:25 Jordach minetestbot fails to check auth
19:25 LMOwnz with webchat you can still use a registered name
19:25 LMOwnz im pretty sure with a client
19:26 LMOwnz not sure im not that good at irc or anything to this matter
19:26 RealBadAngel but sorry, ive have seen so much anger in net, caused by  "you cannot see me"
19:26 RealBadAngel so ban is the first word
19:26 LMOwnz sure
19:26 TheZenKitteh RealBadAngel: think about this for a moment. if you have so much hate for LMOwnz, who between you two feels worse?
19:27 TheZenKitteh from what I can tell LMOwnz is lulzing
19:27 LMOwnz anyhow Jordach i bought the VPS lol gonna set up the server with oldcoder guide
19:27 Jordach actually, LMOwnz is being the good guy
19:27 Jordach RealBadAngel, you've become the enemy
19:27 Jordach has he attacked this channel? no.
19:27 RealBadAngel bring ANYTHING here i broke in MT world
19:27 * drizz still don't know what the fuck the issue is between the two
19:27 TheZenKitteh there is no enemy and no good or bad. its all an illusion
19:28 Jordach VanessaE, can i have a word?
19:28 RealBadAngel this guy was having fun in destroyin servers, creations of MT player
19:28 Jordach has he done it recently?
19:28 Jordach ask yourself that
19:28 RealBadAngel players
19:28 Jordach he may have reconciled
19:28 LMOwnz news flash i havent even gone on servers in months lol
19:29 TheZenKitteh or if you want to see it as such, good and bad are subjective. what is bad to one may be good to another
19:29 drizz RealBadAngel: so he's griefed, that's it?
19:29 Jordach i once left myself logged into redcrabs 0.4-dev
19:29 RealBadAngel LMOwnz, you deserved it well
19:29 Jordach and my brother griefed the fuck out of it
19:29 RealBadAngel you wonder why im aware of it??
19:29 Jordach so before you poke fingers. actually check your info.
19:30 rubenwardy ShadowBot: bye
19:30 TheZenKitteh of course I will say that if a minetest server had enough players on at all times, could be fun having griefers around. would be a chance to wage war pvp style
19:30 rubenwardy ShadowBot: hello
19:31 TheZenKitteh of course with so few players on most that I've seen, easy for someone to log in and destroy without resistance
19:31 drizz if somebody successfully griefs, I blame the server admin, and not the griefer.
19:31 Jordach hold on. can i clear the channel for a moment
19:31 RealBadAngel thats why i admitted he helped us a bit
19:31 Jordach its no LM's fault entirely
19:31 LMOwnz thats what i said drizz lol
19:31 TheZenKitteh drizz, the server admin might not always be able to prevent it. a dedicated griefer can seem legit and behave a long time
19:31 Jordach not*
19:32 Jordach because back then griefing protection was literally SHIT
19:32 drizz TheZenKitteh: well, protection mods + world backups
19:32 RealBadAngel but his personality, finding fun in destroyin. its not my type
19:32 drizz so don't date him
19:32 Jordach and most defences now can be beated by determination
19:32 RealBadAngel jeez
19:32 TheZenKitteh protection mods tend to use a lot of resources and world backups are generally only done (on my servers) once a day
19:32 drizz 470G    /opt/services/minetest/backups
19:32 drizz (ʘωʘ)
19:33 RealBadAngel even after 10 bottles of vodka and bein paid $10 millions
19:34 TheZenKitteh drizz is that zoidburg?
19:34 RealBadAngel there are things man dont do
19:34 drizz TheZenKitteh: quite possibly
19:34 rubenwardy protection mods do not need to use many resources
19:34 rubenwardy All they need to do is read from a table, and cancel placing if nessacary
19:35 rubenwardy necessary
19:35 TheZenKitteh rubenwardy:  of all the protection mods I've used, all have used a lot of resources and slowed everything down quite a bit
19:35 Jordach actually its simpler than that
19:35 Jordach my design is rather simple:
19:35 Jordach allocate custom sized arrays
19:35 Jordach from say, worldedit
19:35 Jordach and then assign users who can build and dig
19:35 Jordach and each area should have names
19:36 drizz how is that not super resource-consuming?
19:36 Jordach all as separate text files
19:36 rubenwardy serialisation ftw
19:36 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: Yes, It is registered.
19:37 TheZenKitteh also to note, of the protection mods I've tried, a griefer can lag the heck out of a server with many fairly easily. I won't go into detail so as not to give any any ideas
19:37 rubenwardy They can just read the code
19:37 drizz tbh, protection shouldn't even be done in lua
19:37 OldCoder Hi
19:37 TheZenKitteh personally I think griefing protection should be in the game itself and not as a mod
19:38 TheZenKitteh hey OldCoder
19:38 rubenwardy Why not, drizz?
19:38 TheZenKitteh afk a mih
19:38 TheZenKitteh min
19:38 rubenwardy There is hacking protection in core game
19:38 drizz because you don't have enough control over your resources
19:38 STHGOM i think if a protetion mod is in the game itself it should be able to turn off
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19:39 drizz i.e. there's a lot of metadata being stored and iterated on tables
19:39 rubenwardy Obvoisely
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19:39 rubenwardy Also there are many different types of protection
19:39 testman42 Yo. Minetest could really use a page on Wikipedia
19:39 Jordach testman42, we tried already
19:39 testman42 And?
19:39 testman42 what happened?
19:40 Jordach deleted
19:40 rubenwardy Not enough reliable resource
19:40 rubenwardy s
19:40 Jordach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest
19:40 rubenwardy I am now #10! http://forum.minetest.net/userlist.php?username=&amp;show_group=-1&amp;sort_by=num_posts&amp;sort_dir=DESC&amp;search=Search
19:40 PilzAdam testman42, there is one in the german wikipedia
19:41 rubenwardy testman43: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rubenwardy/Minetest
19:41 rubenwardy For some reason that was not deleted
19:41 rubenwardy And it has no more reliable sources than the english one has
19:41 PilzAdam rubenwardy, maybe because its in your userspace?
19:41 rubenwardy no, for some reason the GERMAN one was not deleted
19:42 PilzAdam the german one has reliable resources
19:42 rubenwardy I think it was because it did not have it's own personal snob
19:42 PilzAdam -re
19:42 rubenwardy no it does not
19:42 rubenwardy I have looked through them
19:42 rubenwardy mostly blogs, articles and reviews.
19:42 PilzAdam well, the english wikipedia sucks then
19:43 rubenwardy Resources hunt: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbcG5Zg2bFOMTW_3EgFeIGKqvcA-Lhp-mGdDOaiQKP4/edit
19:43 rubenwardy -re
19:43 * PilzAdam wont click a google link
19:43 rubenwardy Looking for sources for minetest
19:43 rubenwardy You are stupig
19:43 rubenwardy stupid
19:43 rubenwardy Paranoid
19:44 rubenwardy What is the worst they can do, record how often you visit a page
19:44 rubenwardy ?
19:44 PilzAdam they make money with my data without giving a part of it to me
19:44 rubenwardy nope
19:44 rubenwardy They display advertising to you based on your data
19:45 PilzAdam so they make money
19:45 rubenwardy and if you do not click them, they do not recieve money
19:45 sfan5 griefer successfully banned! \o/
19:45 Warr1024 PilzAdam: do you want me to change my pull req and add a FOV client->server packet to the protocol?
19:45 PilzAdam google also does not show unfiltered search results
19:45 PilzAdam Warr1024, yes
19:46 rubenwardy and how is that related to google drive?
19:46 Jordach sfan5, just tell RBA that LM hasnt done anything wrong
19:46 Warr1024 I'll take a shot at that.  Whatever we end up deciding to do with this thing in the end, it's probably best the server have that info...
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19:46 sfan5 ShadowNinja: fix yer Internet
19:46 sfan5 Jordach: why?
19:46 PilzAdam Warr1024, also fix he math if you think its wrong
19:46 Warr1024 I also noticed that our isBlockInSight function has a fair bit wrong with it, like it assumes a regular conical viewing frustrum, when the real one is more like a trapezoidal prism.
19:47 Jordach <RealBadAngel> LMOwnz, i dont pay a tiny shit about your what do you think. you are lost to this community. period.
19:47 Jordach oops
19:47 Warr1024 the problem is that I don't know what the RIGHT math is... I tried a few things, and they made the problem more or less severe, but none was an optimal solution that made it go away entirely...
19:47 Jordach meant to /msg that
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19:49 PilzAdam rubenwardy, if you think what google does is ok then sure, go ahead and use it
19:49 Jordach PilzAdam, best spam preventation ever
19:49 PilzAdam its my personal choice to not use google
19:49 rubenwardy I do not think it is ok
19:50 rubenwardy It should not record data for that kind of use
19:50 rubenwardy BUT
19:50 rubenwardy It does not bother me, because I do not search for adult content
19:50 rubenwardy or anything else
19:50 rubenwardy (ie: bank details)
19:50 rubenwardy And it does not sell to a third party
19:51 Jordach trust me
19:51 PilzAdam nether!
19:51 Jordach google offers me porn once in a while
19:51 Jordach 'tis a good life
19:51 PilzAdam *never
19:51 Jordach that should be our joke when we say no
19:51 Jordach nether!
19:51 Jordach nether again shall that happen
19:52 PilzAdam best nether mod ad ether!
19:52 STHGOM cya
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19:52 Jordach hey Taoki
19:53 Taoki hi
19:53 rubenwardy It is impossible to avoid data recording / havesting on the internet
19:53 rubenwardy It is every where
19:53 Jordach Taoki, i might have worked out my model's bug
19:53 rubenwardy PilzAdam: http://ubuntuone.com/7fI7s63SDPNg3Sju9MSIQa
19:53 rubenwardy the content of the document on google drive
19:54 PilzAdam <rubenwardy> It is impossible to avoid data recording / havesting on the internet <- not really, noscript, adblock and blocking cookies is a good start
19:55 rubenwardy What about php side?
19:55 Jordach Taoki, Make sure all of your vertex groups have same name as at least one bone.
19:55 rubenwardy *server
19:55 Jordach fucking obvious
19:56 Warr1024 PilzAdam: actually, there are SOME tracking capabilities that are nearly impossible to block.  https://panopticlick.eff.org/
19:57 * rubenwardy is making a quirky HTML5 platform game
19:59 LMOwnz back
19:59 LMOwnz let me test what we had said
19:59 ShadowBot didnt work i think
19:59 ShadowBot lol
19:59 ShadowBot fail
20:04 Warr1024 camera.cpp, line 346: m_fov_x = 2 * atan(0.5 * m_aspect * tan(m_fov_y));
20:04 iqualfragile Warr1024: nope, i have faked an browser request
20:04 Warr1024 to which c55 commented "WTF is this?  this can't be right"
20:05 Warr1024 I think there might be something wrong with m_fov_x, which would explain why the existing isBlockInSight only seems to happen on the x axis for me, normally.
20:05 Warr1024 though it might also be related to how I'm testing...
20:06 Warr1024 iqualfragile: it doesn't matter if you fake it.  If you fake it in the same way across multiple requests, they can use that to track you.
20:06 Warr1024 in fact, the less information you provide, sometimes your fingerprint is more unique.
20:07 Warr1024 the safest way to fool panopticlick is to exactly mimic the fingerprint of a popular UA.
20:07 LMOwnz hey Warr1024
20:07 Warr1024 hi
20:09 iqualfragile jup, windows 32 bit firefox right now
20:09 Warr1024 iqualfragile: it's kind of a fun game, to see how low you can get your "1 in X" score :-)
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20:11 Calinou PilzAdam: +1
20:11 Calinou micheal larabel insults me every week!
20:12 Calinou for using adblock :3
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20:14 * RealBadAngel is afk
20:15 Calinou away messages kill
20:15 RealBadAngel it was manual away message
20:15 RealBadAngel :P
20:17 Warr1024 therefore, also a lie.
20:17 RealBadAngel whatever, cya folks
20:17 Warr1024 :-)
20:18 RealBadAngel bed is screamin out loud
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20:21 LMOwnz RealBadAngel i have someone on pm saying i shouldnt piss you off
20:22 Calinou since when beds talk
20:22 LMOwnz explain why plz
20:22 Calinou must be angelina jolie's bed then
20:22 Jordach zing
20:22 * Jordach high fives Calinou
20:22 * Calinou accepts Jordach's high fiving
20:22 Calinou </TF2>
20:24 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/S792nNC
20:24 Jordach OH GAWD
20:29 LMOwnz iqualfragile are you there?
20:29 iqualfragile i am here
20:29 Calinou looks like "throw the notch" game, Jordach
20:29 LMOwnz then answer the pm
20:29 LMOwnz you didnt answer the question
20:29 Calinou it works like a random MLP game!
20:29 Calinou but with notch instead of rainbow dash.
20:29 TheZenKitteh back for a few
20:30 Jordach Calinou, oh gawd
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20:30 TheZenKitteh welp nvm time to go ta ta
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20:32 sfan5 Calinou: lol
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20:35 Jordach fuck this gaming mic is sensitive
20:35 Jordach i can hear the hard disk noises
20:35 Calinou sound-dampened case FTW
20:35 * Calinou is getting a "closed" headset soon anyway :P
20:35 Calinou (QPAD QH-90, white)
20:35 Jordach Calinou, i use tritons
20:36 * Calinou is tired of his 20 euro philips thingy
20:36 Calinou not very comfortable, the mike is meh
20:36 Calinou but the audio quality is decent
20:36 Calinou it still lasted 2 years, impressive for that kind of headset :-D
20:37 Jordach Calinou, i can hear my own typing louder and clearer than normal ears
20:37 Jordach which is a shitty kind of statement
20:37 Calinou I can hear my keyboard easily while typing, that's quite normal
20:37 * Calinou is full SSD, no HDD, so no HDD noise
20:37 Jordach Calinou, mines like, click click click
20:38 Warr1024 Calinou: SSD noise :-)
20:38 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix Problem with uk Translation f9b5771274 2013-05-17T13:38:23-07:00 http://git.io/LXkMrw
20:38 sfan5 that translation contains russian things
20:39 Calinou Warr1024: my SSD doesn't coil whine :P
20:39 drizz looks like greek
20:39 Jordach Calinou, here's my sensitive mic in action: http://www.mediafire.com/?cvt2scuv3ud3vsc
20:39 Calinou and sound-dampened case helps a lot against coil whine anyway
20:40 * Jordach uses mediafire as omploader is down
20:40 Warr1024 Calinou: they can also create electrical noise due to variable power consumption that can leak out through a cheap sound card's DAC.
20:40 Jordach cheap sound card? i use a sound blaster audigy
20:40 Warr1024 (I used to be able to "hear" the CPU on an old machine...)
20:40 Calinou this is coil whine, pretty much
20:40 Calinou also, I use an integrated one
20:40 Calinou sound cards are marketing BS, better get good audio gear (what I'm doing) rather than a sound card
20:41 Warr1024 never heard the "coil whine" term.
20:41 Calinou also, plug your headset on the back, not on the front of your case
20:41 Jordach Calinou, bollocks
20:41 Jordach i get less 27mhz interference
20:41 Calinou makes it impossible to hear coil whine in your headset
20:41 Calinou :P
20:41 Calinou Jordach: poorly cabled PC then
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20:41 Calinou in old PCs, it can improve audio quality
20:41 Jordach Calinou, my father used to use CB communications
20:41 Calinou but sound cards are russian roulette on linux :3
20:41 Jordach Calinou, mine worked
20:41 * Calinou has an ALC898 which works pretty well
20:41 Jordach my audigy is a 7.1 bastard
20:42 Calinou stereo is enough for me
20:42 Jordach also: i might start a let's play series
20:42 drizz haven't had any problems whatsoever with sound cards on linux for years
20:42 Calinou suddenly: asus, creative
20:42 Jordach uhm Calinou. i use creative and it worked with PA
20:43 Calinou well, it depends on cards :P
20:43 Jordach fuck off is it
20:43 Jordach vista is only using 512mb of ram :>
20:43 * Calinou is surprised at least two people in this channel have a dedicated sound card
20:43 Jordach Calinou, i do DJ nights occasionally
20:43 Jordach i need the hardware
20:43 Calinou ah
20:44 Calinou well it can be useful then, I don't
20:44 Jordach esp. on my dubstep electro night
20:44 OldCoder Hi
20:44 Calinou just need to use mumble/teamspeak, listen to music and play games :P
20:44 OldCoder Where have fire vessels etc. mods moved to?
20:44 Calinou "common"
20:44 Jordach OldCoder, common
20:44 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/common
20:44 Jordach which will be minetest_game again
20:44 Calinou minetest_game just provides legacy now but you still need it
20:44 OldCoder k
20:44 Calinou common is a pseudo game
20:44 Calinou you put it in "games"
20:44 OldCoder Yes
20:44 OldCoder Do I need to rename it?
20:44 Jordach common mods is a spy
20:44 OldCoder Or just provide common?
20:44 Calinou also, don't forget to update and recompile your engine :P
20:44 Warr1024 wow, holy shit, fixing m_fov_x almost fixed #718...
20:44 Calinou no, OldCoder
20:44 Calinou it should just be "common""
20:45 Jordach -"
20:45 OldCoder proceeding
20:45 Jordach Calinou, i get better fps on vista than i do on 7 and xp
20:45 Jordach it's like my nvidia driver is built for vista
20:46 Calinou try updating to the latest driver
20:46 Calinou also, when you compare, disable desktop effects
20:47 Calinou no serious gamer but mark shuttleworth uses these
20:47 Calinou (:D)
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20:49 Jordach Calinou, cant
20:49 Jordach im a GeForce 6200
20:49 Calinou ah
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20:49 Jordach my driver is 308.xx
20:49 Jordach last time i checked
20:50 kaeza hi all
20:50 * Jordach thought you were VanessaE
20:50 kaeza wot
20:50 LMOwnz hi kaeza :D
20:50 Jordach you said hi all
20:50 Calinou <KaezaE> hi
20:50 Calinou :-)
20:50 Jordach oh god no
20:51 Jordach Calinou, what have i told you about no kaeza x VanessaE
20:51 kaeza Calinou, lol
20:51 Jordach im honestly taking the piss
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20:53 Jordach hey dante123
20:53 Jordach kaeza, good news
20:53 Jordach i found my original files for the handdrawn pack
20:53 dante123 hi jordach
20:54 kaeza Jordach, nice!
20:55 Calinou 126×126, made by jordach (the resolution, more than the pack)
20:56 Jordach Calinou, kaeza: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1250j3jf3okkaxh
20:56 Jordach theres the source files
20:57 kaeza lol .bmp
20:58 Warr1024 wow, that made a big difference: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5675294/
21:00 * kaeza left the browser open all night
21:00 * kaeza had 2m candies
21:01 * kaeza hit the 'eat all candies' button ._.
21:04 Calinou well, you get lots of HP
21:04 ShadowNinja kaeza: What quest are you on?
21:04 kaeza hell
21:04 LMOwnz becomming straight
21:04 Calinou just ate 200k candies, went from 1007 HP to 1027 HP :P
21:04 Calinou hell too
21:05 * Calinou has about 8mlp
21:05 * ShadowNinja is far behind
21:05 Calinou need 11.56mlp for faster candies
21:05 Calinou better sword isn't worth it IMO :P
21:05 Calinou (level 9 right now)
21:05 ShadowNinja Calinou: Me too...
21:06 * ShadowNinja is at castle stairs. Any tips?
21:06 LMOwnz what are you guys playing?
21:06 Calinou drink health potion before neuromancer, ShadowNinja
21:07 LMOwnz was kicked by Calinou: candy box
21:07 Calinou :oops, that was not medicine:
21:08 ShadowNinja Calinou: Thanks! :-)
21:08 Calinou drink it just before the neuromancer at the end
21:08 Calinou else ghosts will halve your health
21:08 Warr1024 PilzAdam: Haven't committed it yet, but I DID manage to fix the client-side disappearing terrain issue.  Haven't looked at the server-side stuff yet, but getting the client to display the blocks it already has correctly should help...
21:08 Calinou ShadowNinja: will this ban any user named LMOwnz?
21:08 ShadowNinja I drunk a few. My health in about 500 now.
21:09 ShadowNinja Calinou: No, any user with LMOwns in their ident.
21:09 PilzAdam Calinou, what was this ban for?
21:09 Calinou :/
21:09 Calinou PilzAdam: landmine
21:10 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: iban *LMOwnz*!*@*
21:10 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Error: I need to be at least halfopped to ban someone.
21:10 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: iban *LMOwnz*!*@*
21:10 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: iban [<channel>] [--{exact,nick,user,host}] <nick> [<seconds>]
21:10 Calinou what does the ! mean
21:10 ShadowNinja Calinou: It seperates the nick and ident
21:11 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: mode +b *LMOwnz*!*@*
21:11 Calinou ah, ok
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21:11 Calinou so, this bans anybody named LMOwnz?
21:11 * PilzAdam sees LM join -dev and -mods...
21:12 Calinou -mods is dead
21:12 Calinou not op in -dev
21:12 ShadowNinja Calinou: Yes. Any nick containing LMOwnz.
21:12 PilzAdam Calinou, LM tries it anyway
21:12 sfan5 Calinou: -mods was not registered last time I checked
21:15 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Move kahrl to core devs in credits tab fedf644635 2013-05-17T14:15:10-07:00 http://git.io/SEftEA
21:16 PilzAdam why wanst this done already?
21:19 Warr1024 what does it take to get into contrib_active_strs? :-)
21:20 PilzAdam money
21:20 Warr1024 I thought it was code...?
21:22 PilzAdam we somewhat look at this: https://www.ohloh.net/p/minetest-c55/contributors?query=&amp;sort=commits_12_mo
21:23 PilzAdam but there are no official rules how to get in
21:23 Warr1024 I guess I could just add it as part of a pull req? :-)
21:23 Warr1024 (or would that just cause the pull req not to get pulled...)
21:24 PilzAdam I would probably remove that part of the diff and merge the rest
21:25 Warr1024 yeah, damn, I'm only on "newest contributors" and "recently active", and not on the short list at that.
21:25 * Calinou 's kudos is 6
21:25 Calinou well, "we prefer instagib metl3" is 6
21:25 Calinou and "Calinou" is 6 too
21:25 Calinou let's add them: 12 kudos!
21:25 Calinou >:D
21:26 Warr1024 what's the kudos mean?
21:26 Calinou "primary language C++", lol
21:27 PilzAdam Calinou, "troll" was not availible as a language :-p
21:27 PilzAdam Warr1024, nobody know, but everyone wants them :D
21:28 Calinou too bad "we prefer instagib metl3" doesn't have "gettext" as his primary language
21:28 Calinou so that I can try to be hired, "hey, i'm a gettext expert, it's an awesome language"
21:28 Warr1024 well, on a more serious note... I was thinking I should break the server and client part of issue 718 into 2 different pulls, since (1) the server stuff is probably more involved, and (2) the client-side fix is pretty small, but has a significant impact on the severity of the issue...
21:29 * Kacey needs to get on that list...
21:31 PilzAdam Warr1024, you dont even have to create pull requests for very small fixes if you have the attention of a core dev
21:31 PilzAdam just link the commit in your repo
21:31 * Kacey is a good tester
21:31 Warr1024 oh, thanks.
21:31 * Calinou reached 300 comment karma on reddit (310)
21:31 * Calinou sings Richard Stallman's "Freenode Staff"
21:31 OldCoder Hi. I have successfully built and tested latest git MT somewhere.
21:31 Warr1024 trying to get this shit rebased...
21:32 Calinou Kacey: testing will not get you on that list 8)
21:32 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/f#bl02Vt2s
21:32 OldCoder In June I will attempt to update my own servers. But to do this I'd wish to keep LevelDB.
21:32 PilzAdam git rebase --mode=troll FTW
21:32 Calinou kudos is determined by amount of commits done by you (or merged)
21:32 Kacey but testing is just as important as the code itself...
21:32 OldCoder Is anybody able to tell me about degree of integration of LevelDB with current git?
21:32 PilzAdam OldCoder, we plan to merge LevelDB somewhere in the near future
21:33 PilzAdam probably directly after 0.4.7 or so
21:33 Warr1024 PilzAdam: I actually never figured out how to make rebase work for me, but since my commit(s) are already squashed, I can just cherry-pick it into a new branch :-)
21:33 OldCoder PilzAdam, I wish to update to 0.4.6 so people will be happy.
21:33 OldCoder Is there a way to merge the changes?
21:34 OldCoder If so, all right
21:34 OldCoder Rather
21:34 PilzAdam no, the pull request is not rebased to current HEAD or 0.4.6
21:34 OldCoder If not, all right
21:34 OldCoder So I'd need to merge everything manually
21:34 * OldCoder shrugs
21:34 OldCoder We'll see
21:35 PilzAdam Warr1024, if you merge pull request then you abort the rebase at the first merge confilct and shout at the one who has opened the pull request ;-)
21:36 Warr1024 I replaced my commit with one against the current master: https://github.com/Warr1024/minetest/commit/4c2459852968f4564688fe356407367c791de67e
21:36 Warr1024 branch is "issue718"
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21:40 PilzAdam seems to work fine
21:41 Warr1024 awesome, thanks
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21:45 Warr1024 I guess that to fix the server end of this, we'd need (1) a new packet for the client to send FOV to server, (2) somewhere for the server to store the per-client FOV settings, (3) a hook somewhere in the client to detect FOV changes and send the new FOV to the server.
21:46 Warr1024 is it easy to add a new packet type without crapping up the rest of the protocol, i.e. so that outdated servers will just ignore unexpected packets from the client?
21:51 Kacey http://youtu.be/Frtax3pXPtg
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22:00 kaeza1 lol Jordach is 17?
22:00 kaeza1 I somehow thought he was in his 20s :|
22:01 kaeza1 late 20s*
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22:09 PilzAdam Warr1024, can this " WTF is this? It can't be right" comment be removed?
22:09 Warr1024 actually, yes, sorry.
22:10 Warr1024 it doesn't look much improved, but it actually IS right now.
22:12 Warr1024 I'm making progress on the client/server thing.
22:12 Warr1024 I added f32 fov to player as a public property, similar to how the hud stuff was done.
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22:22 MinetestBot GIT: Warr1024 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix math for isBlockInSight.  Fixes #718 (client-side). 1369503aba 2013-05-17T15:13:01-07:00 http://git.io/hNyLEg
22:23 Warr1024 ooh, awesome, thanks
22:23 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/718 lol, all these references :-)
22:24 Warr1024 yeah, sorry, github n00b here.
22:24 PilzAdam you dont need to write "Fixes #123" into commit messages
22:25 PilzAdam reopened
22:25 Warr1024 thanks.
22:25 Warr1024 turns out this FOV thing is a bit more interesting, since client FOV can actually change at runtime.
22:26 PilzAdam actually only in singleplayer
22:26 Warr1024 i.e. the configured one is the same, but the ACTUAL FOV we have to use for isBlockInSight is dependent on getFovMax(), which changes if the window is resized and the aspect changes.
22:26 PilzAdam oh
22:27 Warr1024 so I'm now hunting for a good place to catch the camera being reconfigurated...
22:27 PilzAdam well, maybe its better to just send 180° then
22:27 Warr1024 it probably won't hurt much.
22:28 Warr1024 consider that a player may swing their camera around very quickly compared to walking speed, so sending stuff just beyond their peripheral vision may not be too bad
22:28 PilzAdam I mean, the client needs the blocks anyway if he moves around later on
22:28 Warr1024 yep
22:28 Warr1024 it'd be cheaper, code-wise, than trying to sync the fov up...
22:29 Warr1024 bbiab...
22:29 PilzAdam btw: I think we should move this to #minetest-dev so other core devs get attention
22:30 Warr1024 sure.  gotta run for a bit, back in an hour or so...
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22:36 kahrl I suggested setting the server side fov to 180° to celeron a long time ago but he said it would have a large effect on required bandwidth
22:36 kahrl I haven't done the math behind it but it sounds plausible
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22:42 ShadowNinja That settles it. Wicd is evil.
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23:05 anunakki OldCoder,
23:05 anunakki hey man you around?
23:06 OldCoder Yes
23:06 anunakki how you been man
23:06 OldCoder It has been quite a while!
23:06 anunakki long time no see
23:06 OldCoder ...
23:06 OldCoder Yes
23:06 OldCoder Answer is on my blog
23:06 OldCoder But PM and we can chat a bit
23:06 anunakki ok
23:13 iqualfragile OldCoder: its nice to see that you have recovered (or have you?)
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23:16 Warr1024 back
23:18 OldCoder Hi
23:18 OldCoder iqualfragile, It is a process. One step at a time. I am sort of in shock at present.
23:18 OldCoder Things may level out over time.
23:18 ShadowNinja I think my network is fixed...
23:18 iqualfragile you mentioned a blog entery, i can not find it
23:19 OldCoder iqualfragile, PM then and thanks for interest
23:19 NakedFury old coders are tough. nothing cant stop them from recovering
23:20 NakedFury :D
23:20 OldCoder iqualfragile, May I post a six line fragment?
23:20 iqualfragile no problem
23:20 OldCoder Perhaps there will be a balance
23:20 OldCoder I am suspended in Time
23:20 OldCoder Like the one friend I have from that far back
23:20 OldCoder Twisted Time and I
23:20 OldCoder are lost and falling free
23:21 OldCoder It will be interesting
23:21 OldCoder to see where we land
23:21 OldCoder
23:21 OldCoder iqualfragile, if you're interested in the blog feel free to PM
23:21 OldCoder NakedFury, we will see
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23:30 Gambit Okay fair warning everyone. Nikondork accidentally said "landmine" in a mirror three times.
23:31 Gambit I'm kidding.
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