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02:52 VanessaE hi all
02:53 ShadowNinja Hello VanessaE!
02:53 VanessaE hey
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02:56 ShadowNinja I thought up annother spam filter. Sending x identical messages in y seconds. These values could be much lower causing faster response times. Does that sound good VanessaE?
02:56 VanessaE yes actually
02:57 VanessaE but you need to control for line length also
02:57 VanessaE like landmine earlier spamming like he was
02:59 ShadowNinja Hmmm, but sometimes people (like me) will just send long messages. And if set it realy high then it would be ineffective. Although those messages would be rare.
03:01 VanessaE just set the timeout to something realistic
03:01 VanessaE base it on, say, 100wpm typing speed
03:02 VanessaE if the threshold is exceeded over, say, 3 messages, kick.
03:02 VanessaE if it's exceeded again, kick again, third time, ban.
03:02 ShadowNinja Oh, that. Yes, it would kick people that forget a pastebin though.
03:03 VanessaE that's fine
03:03 VanessaE someone will catch that and warn the user to pastebin next time
03:03 VanessaE btw:
03:03 VanessaE for everyone here:  it's called FLOODING, not SPAM!
03:03 VanessaE :)
03:04 ShadowNinja Very well. I hope someone doesn't yell at me later.
03:04 VanessaE if it doesn't work well enough, it can always be tuned.
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03:19 sokomine is it necessary? do such floodings occour?
03:20 VanessaE yup
03:20 VanessaE happened earlier today, so I saw in my scrollback.
03:20 VanessaE on -dev too
03:21 VanessaE and a few times here a week ago too
03:25 sokomine how can i see and test what was committed in a pull request by someone else before merging it officially?
03:26 sokomine (using github)
03:26 VanessaE git remote add somename hit@blahblahblah.git  ; git fetch somename; git cherry-pick foo437842738423bar483742893blah
03:27 VanessaE that's how I do it anywya
03:27 VanessaE there's probably an easier way for multiple commits
03:27 VanessaE "somename" is whatever you wanna call the repo you added in.  I usually use the author's name
03:28 sokomine ah, ok. i'll try tomorrow
03:41 ShadowNinja sokomine: The easy way is git pull <url> as is shown in the manual merging guide on GitHub.
03:43 VanessaE I assumed she wanted to try some individual commits
03:44 ShadowNinja 3 kicks -> ban is implemented. Now to add repetition flooding prevention. I know ShadowBot has a searchable message history so it shouldn't be hard...
04:02 ecube Hoi, is it possible to sleep in the lua mods without bricking the mt server for the sleep time?
04:03 VanessaE not sure
04:03 VanessaE timed events are possible with node times or minetest.after, but I don't think there's a sleep function as such
04:04 VanessaE node timers*
04:05 ecube what happens is this griefing protection wazuclan has involves setting metadata for large numbers of blocks, but it can't really go over 100000 without crashing the server, so every 99999 blocks processed we try to give it a delay before processing the next 99999 blocks
04:05 ecube Which works, but it bricks the server while sleeping
04:34 ShadowNinja ecube: That is a bad protection system.
04:34 ecube I don't see why
04:35 ecube existing protection systems (or at least the ones I've seen) involve making 3 calculations per node change
04:35 ecube which can quickly turn into a lag monster
04:38 ShadowNinja Actualy checking metadata is very slow...
04:39 Menche do things like growing trees/flowers/grass overwrite metadata?
04:39 ecube I believe we implemented a workaround for that
04:39 ecube I'm not the actual coder for the mod, but...
04:40 ecube ShadowNinja: only when they dig the node
04:41 ecube the nodes have an on_dig if metadata != digger, blah blah blah
04:41 ecube so no calculations are performed when they're not digging protected blocks, or so the coder reasons
04:42 ecube is that not more efficient than 3 value comparisons for every node dug/placed?
04:44 ecube Our current confuguration for the mod actually produces a 1ms delay for every 100000 blocks processed, now that we made a workaround for the crash problem
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04:49 ShadowNinja ecube: No, you have to run the code to get the metadata on every dig. That is slow.
04:51 ecube Eh, you're probably right...
04:51 ecube first, it checks to see if the owner string is zero length
04:51 ecube not entirely sure how server intensive that would be
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04:54 ShadowNinja ecube: And how does it get that owner string? Getting the metadata is heavy.
04:55 ecube the conventional way
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06:18 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Finished, max of 100 characters per second.
06:18 VanessaE cool
06:19 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: reload FloodProtector
06:19 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
06:19 ShadowNinja Now it is active
06:19 ShadowNinja was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected.
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06:19 VanessaE you were saying? :)
06:20 ShadowNinja Noooo...
06:20 VanessaE that's ...not right
06:20 ShadowNinja Unloaded
06:20 VanessaE let's see how much I can type before shadowbot kicks me
06:20 VanessaE damn :)
06:20 VanessaE you should probably average that 100 cps over, oh, three messages maybe
06:21 VanessaE (that way very small pastes or very large single messages won't trip it)
06:23 ShadowNinja If you send a message and you haven't sent one within 100 seconds or 100 messages in the log it is assumed infinite.
06:24 ShadowNinja This will probably catch even 2-line pastes though.
06:25 VanessaE one message every 100 seconds?  way too long of a threshold
06:26 ShadowNinja No, it checks if you type faster than 100 chars per second(currently).
06:31 enchilado So does that mean you get kicked automatically if you enter a long sentence like this one that contains over one hundred characters?
06:31 enchilado Nope, then what exactly does it look for and why?
06:32 VanessaE it's purpose is to stop paste-flooding
06:33 enchilado Hrm
06:33 VanessaE which is a simple matter of controlling for rate - it's simply impossible for even the fastest typist to exceed some certain speed, and even the best ones don't usually go much over 100 wpm.
06:33 ShadowNinja enchilado: No, only if you send two long messages right after each other.
06:33 enchilado For some reason I read that as a hundred words per minute rather than a hundred characters per second
06:33 VanessaE so if the text fro one person is coming in faster than that, it's a sure bet it's a pasteflood
06:33 enchilado I guess no one can type that fast :P
06:33 kahrl what happens if you send a long message and then a short one?
06:33 kahrl like "long message blah blah blah" and then "correction*"
06:34 ShadowNinja kahrl: It counts characters and would allow that.
06:34 VanessaE even the world's fastest typist isn't gonna trigger the flood protection if it's done right :)
06:34 enchilado VanessaE: 100wpm is pretty slow...
06:35 VanessaE enchilado: not really.
06:35 VanessaE slow would be 30wpm.
06:35 VanessaE the world's fastest typist did 150 wpm for just under an hour.
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06:36 VanessaE the average is around 60 wpm
06:41 VanessaE (me, I do closer to 40 on a good day)
06:48 enchilado http://10fastfingers.com/advanced-typing-test/english
06:48 enchilado Hrm, I only managed to get 114 on this
06:48 enchilado On the basic test I usually get around 125
06:48 VanessaE still think 100 is slow? :)
06:48 enchilado My best is 134 with 1 error
06:48 ShadowNinja Oh. Flooding once is used on the next run.
06:49 enchilado VanessaE: yes
06:49 VanessaE you're just faster than the average
06:49 VanessaE 100 is not slow.
06:49 enchilado Because the advanced typing test is almost entirely words that are difficult to type
06:52 enchilado Also this website is very poorly designed
06:53 enchilado I made one error and it somehow through all the rest of my words out of alignment
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06:53 enchilado So I got like ten in a row wrong even though I was typing them correctly because I misspaced once :\
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06:55 enchilado VanessaE: anyway, yes, I think 100 is slow. I'm limited by how fast I can think of what to say, not how fast I can type it :\
06:55 VanessaE statistically, 100 wpm is not slow, it's fast,.
06:56 VanessaE by definition, in fact.
06:56 enchilado By definition?
06:56 VanessaE by definition - it is above the average of ~60 wpm.
06:57 VanessaE anyhow, time to let mine drop to 0 for a few hours.  night all.
06:57 enchilado 60? O_o
06:58 enchilado Old people who never use computers shouldn't be included when calculating the average :(
06:58 VanessaE "An average professional typist types usually in speeds of 50 to 80 wpm, while some positions can require 80 to 95 (usually the minimum required for dispatch positions and other time-sensitive typing jobs), and some advanced typists work at speeds above 120 wpm."
06:58 VanessaE Wikipedia.
06:58 VanessaE note the word "professional" there, also.
06:58 enchilado Huh.
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06:59 enchilado I should become a professional typist.
06:59 VanessaE anyways, O'
06:59 VanessaE anyways, I'm out.
06:59 VanessaE bbl.
07:00 enchilado I just got 124wpm and 0 errors without trying ;_;
07:01 enchilado 'Night.
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07:24 ShadowNinja There, seems to work now, it allows 120 WPM.
07:25 ShadowNinja +up to
07:27 ShadowNinja But I am hesitant to enable it. Someone is going to yell at me when someone pastes something and gets kicked.
07:32 ShadowNinja I will leave it disabled for now. If I don't get too many warnings in my log I will enable it.
07:33 enchilado I'm going to yell at you when I get kicked
07:33 enchilado for typing too fast
07:33 enchilado Hrm.
07:33 enchilado Maybe the lines need to be longer than that,,
07:34 enchilado Oh, you disabled it.
07:34 enchilado :P
07:52 ShadowNinja Well you have to do 120 wpm. You probably don't do that normaly. Although I can increase it.
07:52 enchilado I don't usually, because I mess around with my sentences until I think they're phrased okay.
07:59 * ShadowNinja is loosing track of the number of anti-flooding protections he has.
08:00 ShadowNinja Add repetition flooding to that list.
08:01 ShadowNinja Repeating the same message three times in a minute -> punishment.
08:03 ShadowNinja Try to make an effective flood now LM. :-)
08:03 ShadowNinja Good night!
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08:13 khonkhortisan What if multiple people repeat the same message?
08:13 khonkhortisan spam
08:13 khonkhortisan spam
08:14 khonkhortisan !kick /me
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08:29 drizz mk@pyre ~ % ls -1 ~minetest/worlds/world/players | wc -l
08:29 drizz 1693
08:29 drizz :X
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10:55 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:59 everyone Hello PilzAdam.
11:03 VanessaE morning
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12:01 sfan5 hi
12:01 sfan5 *hi all
12:01 VanessaE hey
12:03 arsdragonfly hi
12:03 sfan5 !seen Vohveli
12:03 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen vohveli around.
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12:14 PilzAdam sfan5, how is that better? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=90276#p90276
12:14 sfan5 since the "<" may not always work
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12:29 jojoa1997 hi guys
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12:30 VanessaE hi
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12:34 jojoa1997 does anyone have a direct link to download Sapier's mobf
12:35 VanessaE http://www.mediafire.com/?vys904mq37r4c17
12:35 VanessaE from the MOBF forum page.
12:36 jojoa1997 is that the dev version?
12:37 VanessaE it's the "stable" version
12:37 VanessaE you want dev, you'll have to get it from github
12:37 jojoa1997 ok
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12:48 jojoa1997 would it be possible to make players climb down a lader when they are on it but doing nothing and having them climb only when pressing foreward
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12:54 PilzAdam NYAN CAT!!!
12:55 PilzAdam at (69,7,10) seed 7574302465995921969 mapgen indev
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13:27 arsdragonfly PilzAdam :how can i set the seed of a world ?
13:27 PilzAdam fixed_map
13:27 PilzAdam fixed_map_seed in minetest.conf
13:28 arsdragonfly What about adding it into the GUI?
13:29 arsdragonfly also mapgen indev = mapgen v7?
13:30 PilzAdam no
13:30 PilzAdam indev = indev
13:31 arsdragonfly all right
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14:34 Dante123 Hi all, is there a way to monitor mine test server from android device?
14:34 VanessaE depends on what you need to monitor - if you just wanna know its up/down status, number of players, etc. you can use the servers list for that.
14:35 VanessaE servers.minetest.net
14:35 VanessaE (or minetest.net/servers if you want the fancy one)
14:35 Dante123 But I would have to add my server to the list and it is not on 24/7
14:35 PilzAdam VanessaE, spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=90296#p90296
14:36 * sfan5 just finished the german translation of minetest_game and common
14:36 VanessaE oh great, inocudom's account is compromised.
14:39 sfan5 yay! every item/block is in german now
14:40 VanessaE spam deleted, send a message to him.
14:43 sfan5 Dante123: do you host the server on windows?
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15:07 realbadangel_ hi, whats up folks?
15:08 VanessaE greetz, rba.
15:09 RealBadAngel hi ho VanessaE
15:10 RealBadAngel btw im gonna read logs and check who brought candies here
15:11 RealBadAngel then i will show no mercy :P
15:11 * PilzAdam got the link from kaeza
15:11 PilzAdam VanessaE, havent you upgraded to 13.04?
15:11 RealBadAngel fire is not enough...
15:11 VanessaE yes.
15:11 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, lollopops?
15:12 PilzAdam VanessaE, your server topic says you run 12.04
15:12 VanessaE oops
15:12 RealBadAngel 864hp and trying to kill the dragon
15:12 PilzAdam -o +i
15:12 * VanessaE fixes...
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15:13 VanessaE there.
15:13 PilzAdam whats the name of 13.04?
15:13 VanessaE Raring Ringtail
15:13 enchilado RealBadAngel: I killed the dragon with 300hp
15:13 RealBadAngel how????
15:13 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, I killed the dragon with 100hp
15:13 PilzAdam because I didnt knew how to increase the HP to that time
15:14 enchilado RealBadAngel: it's just as easy as with 800
15:14 enchilado I've tried killing it with like 2000hp and no potions, it still doesn't work
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15:14 enchilado You need to use potions and scrolls
15:14 PilzAdam enchilado, it works pretty good with 11000 HP and no potions
15:14 enchilado :P
15:15 RealBadAngel i got full health when i face it
15:15 enchilado Getting 11000hp before killing the dragon doesn't sound fun
15:15 RealBadAngel and +100 potions are not enough
15:15 enchilado Considering the amulet and whatever
15:15 enchilado RealBadAngel: I did it with less than ten potions
15:15 enchilado You're not using the right ones
15:15 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, use invulnerably potions; telport back with teleport scroll; plant a seed so the potion cool down gets done; return to step 1
15:16 enchilado :|
15:16 enchilado You could have let him work it out himself...
15:16 enchilado or at least asked if he wanted to know rather than just spoiling it
15:16 RealBadAngel heh
15:16 PilzAdam >:-)
15:17 RealBadAngel to thank or not to thank
15:17 enchilado And if you feel good about spoiling something when someone didn't want to know, you're kind of a dick
15:17 RealBadAngel that is the question ;)
15:17 RealBadAngel i asked
15:17 enchilado And by "kind of a" I mean "a total"
15:18 RealBadAngel btw sooner i kill it sooner i get rid of it ;)
15:18 RealBadAngel so thanks a lot :)
15:18 PilzAdam enchilado, it doesnt really matter, he will not be able to beat the next bosses
15:19 RealBadAngel there are others? fuck
15:19 enchilado PilzAdam: why not?
15:19 RealBadAngel i dont want others
15:19 * RealBadAngel wants to be free
15:19 PilzAdam enchilado, well, it will at least take some hours
15:19 enchilado I gave up on the game after losing millions of lollipops and hundreds of thousands of candies because I forgot to save, but the next two levels after the dragon at least are really easy
15:20 RealBadAngel its so funny such simple ideas are most addictive
15:21 RealBadAngel hail to the coder of it
15:21 enchilado I'm just waiting for the sequel, which will save automatically :P
15:22 RealBadAngel hehe i clicked that link too
15:23 RealBadAngel btw please dont wait for me with skydome to be included in 0.4.7
15:23 RealBadAngel it wont
15:23 VanessaE why?
15:23 VanessaE :(
15:23 VanessaE too addicted to that damn candy game? :)
15:23 RealBadAngel im reading all the examples out there
15:23 RealBadAngel and learnin
15:24 RealBadAngel i already made wind, sun, moon pos
15:24 RealBadAngel when i will release THIS patch
15:25 RealBadAngel it will be an eartquake
15:26 RealBadAngel i am makin now bump and normal maps for my texture packs
15:26 RealBadAngel i have already sky, water, godrays and shadows
15:26 spafbi1 Is there a command which will reload minetest.conf changes while the server is running?
15:27 * VanessaE wants screenshots and usable code dammit :)
15:27 VanessaE RealBadAngel: s/godrays/crepuscular rays/
15:28 spafbi1 ...or must the server be stopped and restarted for changes to take effect?
15:29 RealBadAngel ehm, client?
15:29 VanessaE spafbi1: as far as I know, you have to restart - but many settings can be changed with the /set command also.
15:29 spafbi1 Thanks, VanessaE.
15:29 VanessaE spafbi1: so if you change something in .conf, make the same change with /set and you should be okay to keep running
15:29 VanessaE but bear in mind that some settings only take effect at a restart anyway
15:30 spafbi1 Thanks.
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15:30 RealBadAngel for those who havent see the water yet ;) http://i.imgur.com/1QOYPWd.jpg
15:31 spafbi1 Nice water, RBA.
15:31 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/kcsI7wN.jpg
15:32 enchilado Does it look better in-game?
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15:33 rubenwardy hi all
15:33 spafbi1 So, I'm running a server for my kids and nieces/nephews... one of the reasons I run minetest is to keep the kids away from chat and user created content - both from people we don't know. Another reason is I'm also a huge fan of open source. I really appreciate all of the hard work you all put into minetest.
15:33 VanessaE enchilado: better?  this already looks better than anything else thus far.
15:34 enchilado VanessaE: I don't know what the water looked like previously.
15:34 RealBadAngel when animated and moving
15:34 RealBadAngel its... breathtaking
15:34 VanessaE enchilado: pixelated.
15:34 VanessaE :)
15:34 enchilado So actually fitting the rest of the game's aesthetic? :S
15:35 VanessaE enchilado: this is aimed at people that don't have a weird fetish with 16px textures :)
15:35 RealBadAngel this wont be ascethic
15:35 RealBadAngel those changes gonna kick butts
15:36 enchilado VanessaE: ah, so all the block textures will be high-res too?
15:36 VanessaE enchilado: no, you could still use this with 16px if you want
15:36 RealBadAngel but still i need EXPERIENCED blender user
15:36 VanessaE but it'll look better with high-rez ones.
15:37 enchilado Realistic textures on blocky shapes always look weird to me :(
15:38 RealBadAngel shaders are the OPTION
15:38 RealBadAngel youre free not to use them
15:38 VanessaE RealBadAngel: show him a composite of the skydome + water shader + HDX :)
15:38 VanessaE enchilado: prepare to drool.
15:39 enchilado It's probably better you don't show me, I probably wouldn't be able to think of anything nice to say about it :(
15:39 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/yDF2OJy.jpg
15:40 rubenwardy wow
15:40 VanessaE RBA: turn it all on - aniso+mipmap+trilinear, HDX, skydome, and shaders - and take a screenshot showing all of it :)
15:40 rubenwardy is that shaders, or textures?
15:40 VanessaE rubenwardy: that's both
15:41 rubenwardy Does the water move?
15:41 RealBadAngel of course it does
15:42 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnEoyEgsgig
15:42 rubenwardy cool. I mean with shaders, not animations.
15:42 RealBadAngel but it really have to be seen with high resolution
15:43 RealBadAngel shaders use one water texture
15:43 RealBadAngel still one
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15:43 enchilado It drastically needs 3D models for items in the hand
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15:43 * sfan5 totally agrees with enchilado
15:44 RealBadAngel more fany "random" fact
15:44 RealBadAngel shaders use now water texture to show water surface
15:44 RealBadAngel but this is temporary
15:45 RealBadAngel i placed there water surface texture instead of reflection
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15:46 RealBadAngel im not quite sure how i should implement reflections
15:46 VanessaE don't do them for now.
15:46 VanessaE baby steps
15:46 RealBadAngel i know how
15:46 RealBadAngel if we consider 0 as sea level
15:47 enchilado Ripples and reflections together sounds rather graphically intensive
15:47 RealBadAngel cmon, its 21st century
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15:47 RealBadAngel we WANT such eye candies :P
15:48 enchilado Well, I wouldn't, but yes, I imagine most people would
15:48 RealBadAngel way to achieve it is simple
15:48 enchilado is it?
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15:48 RealBadAngel we repeat render
15:48 RealBadAngel with inversed world matric
15:48 RealBadAngel *matrix
15:48 enchilado But it would need to be deformed by the ripples
15:48 VanessaE that'll slow stuff down greatly though :(
15:48 RealBadAngel cut it at sea level
15:49 RealBadAngel (render to texture)
15:49 Warr1024 cut at sea level?
15:49 Warr1024 how will this affect water sources that are above/below sea level?
15:49 VanessaE RealBadAngel:  problem then is han...
15:49 VanessaE yeah, what Warr1024 said
15:49 RealBadAngel yes
15:49 RealBadAngel thats why i said im not sure
15:50 VanessaE I say forget about reflections for now
15:50 enchilado I don't think you can just use bend the reflection as though there was a picture on the surface of the water that was being rippled
15:50 RealBadAngel i cannot render whole scene for each node
15:50 enchilado That would look bizarre
15:50 enchilado I think you'd be better off having either ripples or reflections
15:50 RealBadAngel i can make reflections for seas, lakes at sea level
15:51 rubenwardy Does anyone do DiDA here?
15:51 RealBadAngel whatever above or below, without such eyecandies
15:51 markveidemanis Someone join my server
15:51 enchilado What's DiDA?
15:51 enchilado markveidemanis: no
15:51 rubenwardy thats a no
15:51 rubenwardy It is an ict course
15:51 rubenwardy ict = computing
15:52 RealBadAngel havin a reflection means simply double pass for renderer
15:52 VanessaE RealBadAngel: which means half the fps :(
15:52 RealBadAngel yes
15:53 RealBadAngel second pass is made quicker, thx to restictions
15:53 Calinou how about also adding 3D
15:53 RealBadAngel but still
15:53 Calinou 4 render passes :-D
15:54 RealBadAngel but having 200fps and then 100
15:54 RealBadAngel with eyecandies is worth a shot
15:54 VanessaE RealBadAngel: for me, that would leave me at 12-15 fps.
15:54 Warr1024 as long as they're configurable...
15:54 VanessaE (because ATI drivers are shit)
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15:55 RealBadAngel VanessaE, i still can remember digitized scene of fall of that robot from Robocop
15:55 * Calinou is translating minetest to french with localisation lib by sfan5
15:56 RealBadAngel who tried to walk the stairs
15:56 sfan5 :D
15:56 RealBadAngel in monochrome
15:56 VanessaE RealBadAngel: ED-209.
15:56 * Calinou has constant 120+ FPS, even with 128 view range
15:56 Warr1024 RealBadAngel: allow users to choose whether to run the fancy water shaders, and ideally let them switch on and off the individual sub-features, and nobody will be unhappy :-)
15:56 RealBadAngel on ZX-Spectrum
15:56 RealBadAngel this was unbeliveable
15:56 VanessaE Warr1024 is right though
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15:57 VanessaE individual shader groups need to be configurable
15:57 VanessaE reflections, water waves, etc etc.
15:57 RealBadAngel now? we can reach the limits or go further
15:57 RealBadAngel shaders? google for them
15:57 VanessaE RealBadAngel: yours is a great plan, don't get me wrong, but sluggish rendering needs fixed first,.
15:57 RealBadAngel code is all around
15:57 RealBadAngel waiting
15:58 RealBadAngel ofc
15:58 RealBadAngel thats why i stopped with adding portions
15:58 RealBadAngel we need sun
15:58 VanessaE yes
15:58 RealBadAngel light source position
15:58 VanessaE sun/moon/sky is a must.
15:59 RealBadAngel thats a first step
15:59 RealBadAngel to start with it all
15:59 RealBadAngel drop this psedo light shit
16:00 RealBadAngel and implement light sources
16:00 Warr1024 augh, my framerate!
16:01 RealBadAngel most funny, superb lookin examples of using lights
16:01 RealBadAngel are tiny
16:01 RealBadAngel because Irrlicht does it all...
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16:03 VanessaE RealBadAngel: but we must approach this stuff one step at a time
16:03 RealBadAngel most folks here forgot while tryin to achieve somethin that minetest is not the real engine
16:03 VanessaE get some rudimentary stuff into the engine now
16:03 VanessaE make it nicer later, etc.
16:03 RealBadAngel the engine is Irrlicht
16:04 VanessaE I mean Minetest.
16:04 VanessaE stuff we can use *now*
16:04 RealBadAngel you can use all the irrlicht stuff already
16:05 VanessaE I mean for the average user.
16:05 tripod I'm a bad man
16:05 VanessaE the person who just wants to download the game, click a checkbox, and off they go
16:06 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo0nzTAszlQ
16:06 Calinou ~obit the bad man
16:06 RealBadAngel example of what Irrlicht is capable of
16:06 tripod PunkGamer!
16:06 tripod DeadKennedy's
16:06 tripod wooo
16:07 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7912041
16:08 tripod Calinou:
16:08 tripod you a bad
16:08 * Calinou got visual cancer
16:08 * Calinou noticed, "I have donated" button is gone
16:08 tripod yeah!
16:08 * Calinou clicked it once
16:10 rubenwardy 3d engine = Irrlicht. Game Engine = Minetest
16:10 Calinou OS engine = linux or windows, CPU engine = AMD or intel, the whole thing engine = money
16:10 Calinou amirite
16:11 Warr1024 not on the OS engine part.
16:12 Warr1024 you forgot BSD and OSX...
16:12 tripod oh yeah
16:12 tripod always forget those
16:12 * Calinou is close to 300 comment karma on reddit
16:12 rubenwardy pretty obvious what the problem is, <markveidemanis>
16:12 Calinou 18 points on one comment, 13 on another
16:12 Calinou fun fact: jonobacon replied to one of my comments :-D
16:13 tripod i like bacon
16:15 RealBadAngel francis?
16:15 tripod oi oi
16:15 RealBadAngel are you cannibal? ;)
16:15 tripod yes
16:15 tripod you eat bacon?
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16:16 RealBadAngel i do like his poems but not enough to eat him :P
16:16 tripod alright
16:16 tripod what about chicken?
16:16 tripod you eat that right
16:17 RealBadAngel even today
16:18 RealBadAngel i guess chicken are not enough pigs to deserve being noticed as authors
16:18 tripod hmmm
16:18 tripod you got me
16:20 rubenwardy does jordan still do minetest?
16:20 tripod i do jordan, we play Minetest
16:21 RealBadAngel lol
16:21 RealBadAngel btw
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16:21 tripod whoaaaaaa
16:21 tripod you okay markveidemanis ?
16:21 markveidemanis yeh, why?
16:21 tripod just the splits :D
16:21 RealBadAngel we have lately discussed change of the name, for the engine
16:22 RealBadAngel i came up with one. Nodea
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16:22 RealBadAngel what do you think about it?
16:22 VanessaE RealBadAngel: that plan pretty much "died in committee".
16:22 RealBadAngel yeah i know
16:22 RealBadAngel but i think mine is nice and short
16:22 Warr1024 I think Minetest is a fine name for an in-development game engine.
16:23 Warr1024 Once it's officially "released," i.e. hits some arbitrary 1.0 milestone, we can rename it to Mineprod.
16:23 RealBadAngel lol
16:23 sfan5 !unmute zRokh
16:23 RealBadAngel i wont argue
16:23 zRokh thank you, sfan5!
16:23 tripod !mute tripod
16:23 tripod dang
16:23 RealBadAngel just popped with a name
16:23 zRokh RBA, how good you at hosting and IP addresses and domains and stuff?
16:23 zRokh =)
16:24 tripod Like a well oiled machine.
16:24 zRokh not talking to you, but so your good?
16:24 zRokh tripod
16:24 RealBadAngel good enough to pay my yearly bill for it ;)
16:24 zRokh :o
16:24 tripod I run my own small shitty dedicated hosting company
16:24 tripod shitty as in me, not the line
16:25 tripod :p
16:25 RealBadAngel im not good at hosting stuff
16:25 tripod anyway time to smoke
16:25 RealBadAngel im a low level coder
16:25 tripod but you're an angel
16:25 tripod so
16:25 tripod you are waaaaaaaaaaay up there, regardless
16:25 zRokh well, trypod, you have 3 legs...
16:25 zRokh so stfu maybe? (no offence)
16:25 tripod hmmm?
16:26 tripod I won't offer my help then.
16:26 tripod shiiiiiiiiit boiiiiiiii
16:26 RealBadAngel watch out, there are chickens flying by
16:26 tripod no, chicken is bad poet iirc
16:27 tripod does minetest have some like mumble server, where everyone can talk/chat have fun
16:27 zRokh it did, but idk now...
16:27 zRokh LandMine hosted it i think...
16:27 zRokh dunno the IP:PORT
16:27 tripod was it public?
16:28 VanessaE use skype if you need that.
16:28 zRokh i think so, yeah
16:28 zRokh thats an option too :D
16:28 VanessaE there's no legit reason to build that into minetest.
16:28 tripod VanessaE: I have 3rd world internets, Skype doesn't suffice in that area :(
16:28 zRokh seems legit... :/
16:28 tripod i never state build
16:28 tripod i just thought there was a minetest server, were people chat...
16:28 tripod that is all
16:28 frogcrush I have third world internets, and I live in Canada, so...
16:28 VanessaE tripod: if skype won't work, neither would some other voice chat program.
16:29 tripod based on bandwidth
16:29 tripod making terrible assumptions about me, or my poor grammer
16:29 VanessaE I'd have thought skype had low-bandwidth capabilities also
16:29 tripod it does, but still very bad
16:30 frogcrush Skype is pretty good on low bandwidth
16:30 tripod note I stated third world internet :(
16:30 tripod the lowest of low
16:30 ShadowNinja *sigh* Well good thing I waited. Maybe the WPM is 2 or something.
16:30 VanessaE tripod: define "low"
16:30 tripod Australian Internet.
16:30 VanessaE tripod: in numbers.
16:30 tripod i get around 20kb/s UP
16:30 frogcrush wb down?
16:30 VanessaE what about down?
16:31 BrandonReese I had a mumble server online for a while but seemed nobody used it so I shut it off so I could use the ram in my vps elsewhere
16:32 tripod about 100 if im lucky
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16:32 VanessaE tripod: pretty bad, but more than enough for voice chat.
16:32 frogcrush W00t, I took a speedtest and it says my download is 1.74 Mbps and my up is 0.85. I wish I could get that while downloading files...
16:32 tripod not for skype it seems
16:32 VanessaE about half of US internet users are down at that speed I would guess
16:32 tripod i am like 4000km from the exchange
16:33 tripod flash is not a vaild form to test interwebz xD
16:33 tripod anyway gn.
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16:48 Calinou sfan5: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82342922/minetest/translation-fr.zip
16:49 RealBadAngel french? phew, nothing new
16:49 RealBadAngel translate it to martian :P
16:50 sfan5 Calinou: added
16:50 spafbi1 Strange... lava and water source blocks have stopped 'flowing' for me.
16:50 VanessaE Klingon.
16:50 VanessaE after all, Bing can do that now ;)
16:51 frogcrush Bing can translate into Klingon?
16:51 VanessaE so I read earlier today, yeah
16:51 frogcrush Yeah, it can, wow
16:51 Warr1024 spafbi1: did that area get unloaded and reloaded?
16:51 RealBadAngel what abou Go'auld?
16:51 VanessaE http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/13/05/14/2017236/bing-translator-adds-klingon
16:51 RealBadAngel or Jaffa?
16:52 Warr1024 I did find that if you turn on finite liquid and dig a deep mineshaft down from the ocean, you can't exactly fill all the caves a kilometer below the surface :-)
16:52 sfan5 if someone wants to translate minetest, go ahead
16:52 VanessaE that reminds me, can someone do some stress testing for me?  pipeworks latest git + finite water
16:52 sfan5 set L.generate_po_mode and it will generate .po templates
16:52 frogcrush What type of stress testing?
16:53 VanessaE frogcrush: just see how well it works, CPU usage, and whether there's a significant problem with water loss/excess
16:54 VanessaE I put some changes through a few days ago that improve its usefulness.  also, a bunch of other stuff:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=89455#p89455
16:54 VanessaE afaik, the only thing that doesn't work now is storage tanks.
16:55 spafbi1 Warr1024... I've got something goofy going on... server just started crashing... "Cannot prepare read statement"
16:55 VanessaE (the flowing logic needs to be rewritten to use some kind of actual volume transfer, like RBA's technic power does)
16:56 frogcrush Ahh, I should learn Lua at some point...
16:57 spafbi1 Nevermind... I have another problem on my system affecting users....
17:13 frogcrush (tumbleweed)
17:15 * VanessaE pours lava over the tumbleweed
17:16 * frogcrush cries over the death of his tumbleweed
17:16 * frogcrush retreats into his cave of solitude
17:16 sfan5 !tw twitter
17:16 MinetestBot Welcome aboard, @luckysort! http://luckysort.com/ (@twitter)
17:18 Calinou sfan5: thanks :)
17:18 sfan5 Calinou: any suggestions for my mod?
17:18 rubenwardy !tw rubenwardy
17:18 MinetestBot @MerlinOfficial give us sequel, like Ashes to Ashes 4 Life on Mars. Not sure how it would work, but it would need #Merlin (@rubenwardy)
17:18 frogcrush Does Minetest have a Twitter account?
17:19 sfan5 !tw minetest
17:19 MinetestBot hi this is me (@minetest)
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17:19 sfan5 !tw minetestc55
17:19 MinetestBot Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/minetestc55?1368638441.08 (@minetestc55)
17:19 jordach hey all
17:19 sfan5 hi
17:19 VanessaE hi
17:19 jordach !tw minetest
17:19 MinetestBot hi this is me (@minetest)
17:19 jordach hey VanessaE
17:20 * jordach waits for 0.4.7
17:21 jordach :P
17:21 frogcrush Quite a few people like Minetest, eh?
17:21 VanessaE yup
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17:29 rubenwardy sfan5: support klingon
17:29 sfan5 rubenwardy: i do
17:29 rubenwardy for the mod
17:29 sfan5 just set L.lang to "kl" or <whatever_the_langcode_for_klingon_is>
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17:32 rubenwardy http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/51599121eab8ea5b57000003-590/if-you-hit-the-im-feeling-lucky-button-after-searching-for-french-military-victories-heres-what-google-suggests-you-search-for-instead.jpg
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17:46 rubenwardy What is every one doing at the momment?
17:48 * MinetestBot is executing python code
17:49 rubenwardy !msg ftw
17:49 rubenwardy !msg #minetest Hello!
17:50 sfan5 rubenwardy: 1) you need to do it in query 2) you need to be added as admin to MinetestBot
17:50 rubenwardy !c 0/1
17:50 MinetestBot 0
17:50 rubenwardy hmm
17:51 rubenwardy !rev God
17:51 MinetestBot doG
17:51 rubenwardy !rev gof
17:51 MinetestBot fog
17:52 sfan5 !rev A man, a plan, a canal - Panama!
17:52 MinetestBot !amanaP - lanac a ,nalp a ,nam A
17:53 rubenwardy !rev Minetest
17:53 MinetestBot tseteniM
17:53 rubenwardy !rev racecar
17:53 MinetestBot racecar
17:54 rubenwardy !rev A car, a man, a maraca.
17:54 MinetestBot .acaram a ,nam a ,rac A
17:55 sfan5 !uuencode nope.png
17:55 MinetestBot (;F]P92YP;F<
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17:55 rubenwardy !rev Aibohphobia
17:55 MinetestBot aibohphobiA
17:55 sfan5 i should maybe add a !rot13 function
17:55 rubenwardy Aibohphobia: (fear of palindromes)
17:55 sfan5 thats just too epic :D
17:55 rubenwardy is a palindromes
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17:56 rubenwardy hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia
17:56 rubenwardy the fear of long words
17:56 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
17:56 frogcrush hai
17:56 sfan5 hi
17:56 rubenwardy antidisestablishmentarianism
17:56 rubenwardy hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia
17:56 rubenwardy lol
17:56 rubenwardy hippo... is bigger
17:57 frogcrush rubenwardy: bored?
17:57 rubenwardy hmmm
17:57 rubenwardy anti.. is supposed to be the biggest word in the English dictionary
17:58 sfan5 !rev ‮
17:58 MinetestBot ®€â
17:58 sfan5 haha wtf
17:58 sfan5 reversing U+202e is not a good idea
17:58 sfan5 !rev ®€â this is a text
17:58 MinetestBot txet a si siht ¢Ã¬‚â®Â
17:59 thefamilygrog66 "It is commonly believed to be the longest word in English found in major dictionaries (www.oxforddictionary.com), excluding coined and technical terms."
17:59 rubenwardy !rev
17:59 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Nothing to reverse.
18:00 frogcrush !rev minetest rocks
18:00 MinetestBot skcor tsetenim
18:00 rubenwardy !rev toBtseteniM olleh
18:00 MinetestBot hello MinetestBot
18:00 rubenwardy damn
18:00 rubenwardy I wanted him to say hello to himself
18:00 thefamilygrog66 !rev Madam, I'm Adam
18:00 MinetestBot madA m'I ,madaM
18:01 rubenwardy !rev tob diputs a ma I
18:01 MinetestBot I am a stupid bot
18:02 frogcrush rubenwardy, that wasn't very nice
18:02 rubenwardy !rev reterpretni avaj a gnitad ma I dna ,5nafs si renwo yM
18:02 MinetestBot My owner is sfan5, and I am dating a java interpreter
18:02 MinetestBot rubenwardy is a stupid person
18:02 rubenwardy meh
18:02 sfan5 also: MinetestBot uses python
18:02 Calinou !rev uonilaC
18:02 MinetestBot Calinou
18:02 rubenwardy yeah, I know
18:02 Calinou uh uh, it highlighted me
18:02 rubenwardy that why it is funny, is
18:02 rubenwardy h
18:03 rubenwardy !rev natas eht si madAzliP
18:03 MinetestBot PilzAdam is the satan
18:03 rubenwardy !rev LOL
18:03 MinetestBot LOL
18:04 Calinou !rev
18:04 MinetestBot Calinou: Nothing to reverse.
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18:04 Calinou !rev
18:04 MinetestBot Calinou: Nothing to reverse.
18:04 Calinou nope
18:04 rubenwardy I wonder if I can get Minetestbot to spam....
18:05 Calinou probably :P
18:05 sfan5 !unigore rubenwardy
18:05 frogcrush You should try, rubenwardy
18:05 rubenwardy igore?
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18:05 frogcrush sfan5, you had a typo in that command
18:06 thefamilygrog66 do you folks know any mods that use the NodeTimerRef?
18:07 rubenwardy !rev pdotato
18:07 rubenwardy !server x y
18:07 rubenwardy !c 2+2
18:07 ShadowBot rubenwardy: server server [--showdesc]
18:07 MinetestBot otatodp
18:07 rubenwardy !c 2^10
18:07 ShadowBot rubenwardy: You've given me 3 commands within the last 10 seconds; I'm now ignoring you for 5 minutes.
18:07 rubenwardy !tw mac
18:07 rubenwardy was kicked by ShadowBot: message flood detected
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18:07 rubenwardy I was trying to get minetestbot kicked by shadowbot
18:07 rubenwardy ooh!
18:07 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: It ignores ops.
18:08 rubenwardy !sfu jord*
18:08 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Too many matches: 7
18:08 frogcrush ShadowNinja, thats permission-racism
18:08 rubenwardy !sfu jorda*
18:08 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Too many matches: 7
18:08 rubenwardy !sfu sf*
18:08 MinetestBot sfan5 Moderator 2,336 posts, registered on 2011-08-24 | id: 239
18:08 MinetestBot sfan5-bot Bot 61 posts, registered on 2013-03-28 | id: 4833
18:08 MinetestBot sfw New member 7 posts, registered on 2013-03-09 | id: 4574
18:08 ShadowNinja And should be sleeping... ,,(channel lobotomy add)
18:08 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
18:08 rubenwardy !sfu *craft*
18:08 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Too many matches: 37
18:09 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: Don't abuse the bots
18:09 rubenwardy ok
18:09 thefamilygrog66 Anybody written a mod containing NodeTimerRef?
18:09 frogcrush Yes
18:09 frogcrush Maybe
18:09 frogcrush No
18:09 thefamilygrog66 I'm looking for examples...
18:09 rubenwardy iconic, since I was the one that wrote this: http://dev.minetest.net/How_to_communicate
18:10 rubenwardy *ironic
18:11 frogcrush You sure?
18:11 rubenwardy huh?
18:11 frogcrush I see that PilzAdam and Calinou also added to the page
18:11 frogcrush Where is their credit?
18:11 rubenwardy http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=How_to_communicate&amp;action=history
18:11 frogcrush ;)
18:11 rubenwardy 86.145.168.102 is/was me
18:12 thefamilygrog66 I'm not just a number!
18:12 frogcrush thefamilygrog66: We all are
18:12 thefamilygrog66 haha
18:13 thefamilygrog66 I am not a number! I am a free man!
18:13 Calinou frogcrush> Where is their credit? => what do you mean by that
18:13 Calinou thefamilygrog66: no, you use proprietary drivers, you aren't >:D
18:14 frogcrush Calinou: He said he wrote the page
18:14 thefamilygrog66 "The Prisoner" reference, Calinou
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18:16 Calinou I know
18:16 Calinou it's in the simpsons too :P
18:16 Calinou frogcrush: well, I improved it :p
18:17 * thefamilygrog66 loves old (and the odd new) Simpsons
18:18 rubenwardy what, replacing pastebin.com with paste.ubuntu.com?
18:20 Calinou no ads
18:20 Calinou and it doesn't take forever to load
18:21 Calinou and no captchas too
18:21 Calinou pastebin.com is highly overrated
18:21 rubenwardy ah
18:21 rubenwardy ok
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18:27 rubenwardy I might do an "air sword - renewed"
18:27 ShadowNinja There! Now to wait and see if an extended test works.
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18:32 frogcrush Anyone see the new SkyDrive commercials?
18:33 NakedFury no
18:34 NakedFury ok just finished cleaning up my desktop of icons
18:34 NakedFury it feels great
18:34 frogcrush That is an awesome feeling...
18:35 NakedFury yes it is
18:35 NakedFury the screen was full of them
18:35 NakedFury all about school work
18:35 frogcrush I used to use Fences, and stored practically everything on my Desktop
18:35 frogcrush now its all messy on SkyDrive
18:39 * RealBadAngel yawns
18:41 RealBadAngel just watched s03e07 of  Game of Thrones
18:41 RealBadAngel best series ever
18:42 frogcrush besides FiM
18:42 RealBadAngel whats fim?
18:42 frogcrush My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
18:42 RealBadAngel ahhh, of course
18:43 RealBadAngel i was thinkin for a second about some xxx Female i==and Man
18:43 RealBadAngel but ponys are ponys
18:44 frogcrush LOL
18:44 frogcrush Dirty mind
18:44 NakedFury havent watched game of thrones
18:44 RealBadAngel hehe
18:44 NakedFury have too many series on hold
18:44 RealBadAngel NakedFury, try, you WONT be dissapointed
18:44 frogcrush Is it on Canadian Netflix?
18:45 RealBadAngel this is series with highest budget EVER
18:45 NakedFury Star Trek TNg, D9, Babylon 5, Andromeda, Person of Interest
18:45 Calinou <RealBadAngel> whats fim?
18:45 Calinou ^ we need quote system here
18:45 Calinou :-)
18:45 RealBadAngel made by HBO
18:45 Calinou frogcrush: netflix is overrated 8)
18:45 frogcrush Calinou: Its also only 8 bucks a month(TM)
18:45 frogcrush ;)
18:46 RealBadAngel George R.R. Marting book filmed there
18:46 Calinou and it doesn't work natively on linux, and it uses DRM
18:46 RealBadAngel if this name is familiar to anyone
18:46 Calinou and it's for people who go to jail when listening to MP3s
18:46 frogcrush Calinou: It works on Linux
18:46 RealBadAngel -g
18:46 Calinou with tons of hacks :P
18:46 NakedFury netflix is awesome
18:46 frogcrush Calinou, if I could share my screen with my Xbox, I would use other services
18:47 frogcrush Even still, I can't watch Netflix on the Xbox without XBL... Stupid M$
18:47 Calinou lol, consoles
18:47 Calinou buying 5 year old hardware 8)
18:47 frogcrush ikr?
18:47 frogcrush New Xbox looks cool tho
18:47 RealBadAngel lost, revolution or other looks like cheap cartoons compared to Game of Thrones
18:48 frogcrush And the parents won't let me hook my PC up to our 60 inch plasma...
18:48 NakedFury the thing is that for game of thrones they actually dirty up clothing so it looks good. other series they dont do that
18:48 Calinou lol, judging by looks
18:49 Calinou 60 inch, wtf
18:49 NakedFury clothing plays a big part for series
18:49 Calinou not wearing clothing is even better, NakedFury
18:49 Calinou why are you called "naked" in the first place
18:49 frogcrush He gets furious when he is naked
18:49 NakedFury it started as an xbox live name
18:49 thefamilygrog66 how do you get silverlight to run on linux?!
18:49 frogcrush Moonlight
18:50 NakedFury Naked nyquil= nyquil was my brother from one of those sleeping or cough medicine
18:50 * VanessaE wanders back in
18:50 RealBadAngel thefamilygrog66, just install ubuntu
18:51 sfan5 !rev ‮welcom back VanessaE
18:51 MinetestBot EassenaV kcab moclew®€â
18:51 thefamilygrog66 I run netflix on a windows vm in linux - it would be nice run it on ubuntu
18:51 sfan5 wtf
18:51 frogcrush thefamilygrog66: Really? I'm pretty sure you can just use Mono...
18:51 thefamilygrog66 RealBadAngel, and then what
18:51 RealBadAngel ?? profit
18:51 RealBadAngel it just works
18:52 frogcrush thefamilygrog66, watch the dirty anime
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18:52 RealBadAngel i missed silverlight when i was on rusty
18:52 thefamilygrog66 netflix requires silverlight, which doesn't work on ubuntu, no?
18:52 frogcrush thefamilygrog66: Moonlight is the open-source implementation of Silverlight
18:52 RealBadAngel installed xubuntu 12.04 and found out it is working out of the box
18:53 thefamilygrog66 interesting, I'll check it out
18:53 VanessaE sfan5: interesting, my client highlighted that
18:53 thefamilygrog66 interesting...
18:53 VanessaE (it must have recognized the reversed nick)
18:53 sfan5 VanessaE: that because I uses U+202e
18:53 VanessaE oh.  cheater :D
18:53 Calinou you still need wine
18:53 frogcrush Calinou: For what?
18:54 RealBadAngel wine? for what?
18:54 Calinou however, HTML 5 will have DRM, maybe netflix & co will abandon flash/silverlight for good
18:54 Calinou netflix
18:54 Calinou you don't?
18:54 RealBadAngel no
18:54 frogcrush Calinou: You don't need WINE for netflix
18:54 Calinou thought you needed
18:54 frogcrush Man, I wish my school would stop using GoToMeeting so I could use Arch...
18:54 RealBadAngel i dont have wine and movies are playing
18:54 Calinou <RealBadAngel> i missed silverlight when i was on rusty <= stop stealing my jokes :P
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18:54 VanessaE Calinou: no, it'll have hooks that allow for binary modules to be installed, not unlike existing plugins, but which can either pass the decoded video to the browser to display it, or pump it directly to the video card
18:54 RealBadAngel hehe
18:55 VanessaE (which is equally evil)
18:55 Calinou in both cases: ffmpeg :-D
18:55 Calinou as soon as you can view content, you can always copy it
18:55 Calinou the end
18:55 VanessaE yup
18:55 thefamilygrog66 so, in theory, netflix should run in chrome on ubuntu 12.04, without Moonlight
18:55 Calinou ._.
18:55 VanessaE "If I can see it, I can copy it."
18:55 frogcrush Its just a waste of time to "protect" it, really
18:55 RealBadAngel pick 12.04 cd, run it live without installing you will find out silverlight working
18:56 Calinou 13.04 > 12.04
18:56 thefamilygrog66 I'm running Zorin with a ubuntu 12.04 backend at home
18:56 frogcrush 9.10 > 13.04
18:56 thefamilygrog66 I'll try it out a bit later
18:56 RealBadAngel i had to stop on 12.04
18:56 frogcrush Arch > ubuntu
18:56 RealBadAngel thx to ati drivers
18:56 john_minetest Arch is rolling release. So always the newest stuff. But also unstable stuff.
18:57 RealBadAngel 1.5 years old 150$ video card is called too old to support
18:57 frogcrush lol
18:57 frogcrush What model?
18:57 RealBadAngel hd4670
18:57 Calinou low end one
18:57 frogcrush ouch
18:57 VanessaE RealBadAngel: so, finished with skydome yet? ;)
18:57 Calinou anything *600 or lower sucks on the AMD side of things :P
18:57 thefamilygrog66 you guys have video cards? haha
18:57 frogcrush I have a box with an Xpress 1150 that worked...
18:57 Calinou thefamilygrog66: of course, a 570
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18:57 frogcrush thefamilygrog66: Any real PC has a video card
18:58 Calinou equivalent to a 6970 from AMD :-D
18:58 john_minetest I once "sudo pacman -Syu"'d and it updated nvidia to a version that didn't work with the other programs. After a few days all the other programs were updated, too, so it worked again.
18:58 thefamilygrog66 my frankenputer just uses the onboard
18:58 RealBadAngel VanessaE, as i said all will come with pack of shaders
18:58 * Calinou uses xorg-edgers PPA for nvidia 319.17
18:58 RealBadAngel not just skydome
18:58 Calinou it works fine, but I can't use nvidia-xconfig anymore (for fan control) :/
18:58 * thefamilygrog66 isn't a heavy gamer
18:58 * john_minetest is a heavy compiler. When not using windows.
18:58 * frogcrush is not a heavy gamer either
18:58 VanessaE RealBadAngel: I was joking. :)
18:59 * Calinou is a heavy gamer, and plays on linux
18:59 * VanessaE is just heavy.
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18:59 RealBadAngel and first of all: physics
18:59 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=70707#p70707
18:59 frogcrush :O GAMES ON LINUX!!??
18:59 Calinou there are probably enough games for anybody
18:59 thefamilygrog66 haha
18:59 Calinou and there are 80 or so on steam now
18:59 VanessaE frogcrush: one word:  Steam
18:59 thefamilygrog66 I like minetest and sauerbraten
18:59 thefamilygrog66 oh yeah, and simon tatham's logic puzzles
18:59 frogcrush Steam on Arch is nonexistant
19:00 RealBadAngel celestial bodies movement, light sources, wind. those are the basics
19:00 VanessaE RealBadAngel: baby steps
19:00 thefamilygrog66 the rest of my gaming is done on old consoles
19:00 Calinou ^ brony
19:00 Calinou oops, said it too late
19:00 Calinou now thefamilygrog66 is a brony
19:00 thefamilygrog66 not really into that sorta thing, Calinou...
19:00 VanessaE and this is a problem?
19:01 thefamilygrog66 haha
19:01 RealBadAngel i have to make such baby steps to get anywhere further
19:01 frogcrush What is wrong with bronies?
19:01 thefamilygrog66 it's creepy?
19:01 VanessaE I guess MLP must not be manly enough or something
19:01 Calinou that's the joke
19:01 RealBadAngel its like on first day i have to create the sun ;)
19:01 VanessaE RealBadAngel: yep, but you did that already.  the problem is you can't seem to get the firmament to move around right ;)
19:02 VanessaE (or texture right, I forget what the issue was)
19:02 RealBadAngel fiatlux.py
19:02 rubenwardy Linux was created for gaming
19:02 Calinou ^ troll level: 502
19:02 frogcrush So, caring and kindness isn't manly? I thought that was what women wanted us to be...
19:02 frogcrush rubenwardy: LOL
19:02 VanessaE rubenwardy: in what universe? :)
19:02 rubenwardy That is what is was made for originally
19:03 rubenwardy the dev wanted a gaming od
19:03 rubenwardy *os
19:03 VanessaE frogcrush: frankly, I don't see any problem with bronies or whatever it is (that's my point)
19:03 Calinou I don't either
19:03 RealBadAngel you know what fiat lux means?
19:03 VanessaE RealBadAngel: "commanded light"
19:03 RealBadAngel Let there be light
19:03 VanessaE exactly.
19:04 VanessaE except the literal translation of "fiat" is "by command"
19:04 VanessaE יְהִי אוֹר (yehi 'or)
19:05 thefamilygrog66 hey V, have you used NodeTimerRef in any of your mods?
19:05 RealBadAngel and the Coder said: lets implement there light source...
19:05 rubenwardy for me: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=90333#p90333
19:05 VanessaE (the lesson here is, never trust the latin interpretation - go to the source :) )
19:06 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: nope
19:06 RealBadAngel there are many sources ;)
19:06 RealBadAngel ie branches hehe
19:06 VanessaE :P
19:06 Calinou rubenwardy: please release half-life 3 too
19:06 rubenwardy huh?
19:07 rubenwardy bye all
19:07 RealBadAngel btw i played a bit with strange things when learning irrlicht
19:07 thefamilygrog66 I'd like to write a mod that involves a timed event, that starts when a node is clicked
19:07 RealBadAngel its easy to load quake maps into our engine
19:07 VanessaE RealBadAngel: MAPS?
19:08 RealBadAngel yeah
19:08 VanessaE what next. WAD files? :)
19:08 frogcrush Quake??
19:08 RealBadAngel md2
19:08 Calinou lol
19:08 Calinou md2 is quake 2 models
19:08 Calinou you can load md2 and md3 already
19:08 VanessaE yup
19:08 Calinou also, quake maps are in .bsp, various versions for Q1/Q2/Q3
19:08 VanessaE I could just see others' reactions if I walk around my map using the OA "neko" skin
19:08 VanessaE :)
19:08 Calinou lol, I just force everyone to sarge
19:10 Calinou news: rubenwardy plays air sword: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=90308#p90308
19:11 RealBadAngel hehe
19:11 RealBadAngel but theres no craft recipe sadly
19:11 VanessaE heh
19:12 VanessaE lesse...
19:12 VanessaE - - A
19:12 VanessaE - A -
19:12 VanessaE A A -
19:12 RealBadAngel i guess its air + air + air, but shape is missing
19:12 VanessaE that should do it :D
19:12 VanessaE was kicked by ShadowBot: message flood detected
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19:12 thefamilygrog66 flooder
19:12 RealBadAngel wrong recipe!
19:12 VanessaE ShadowNinja: you need a little more tuning.
19:12 RealBadAngel thus kicked :P
19:13 frogcrush ShadowBot needs to be more understanding
19:13 NakedFury ohh! vanessa got kicked
19:13 RealBadAngel wise little bot ;)
19:13 NakedFury spammer alert
19:13 VanessaE RealBadAngel: well duh, it's a Katana
19:14 RealBadAngel in polish, regional slang, katana is jeans jacket
19:14 RealBadAngel often used word by rednecks
19:15 VanessaE RealBadAngel: Fenderâ„¢ Katana guitar :)
19:15 VanessaE ®©™℠
19:15 VanessaE etc :_)
19:15 RealBadAngel they propably wont understand what tm means
19:15 RealBadAngel such rednecks they are
19:17 VanessaE heh
19:17 markveidemanis My server is up
19:17 markveidemanis I have some new mods
19:17 RealBadAngel elevation?
19:17 ShadowNinja VanessaE: My new typing speed detector would have kisked you twice, did you paste?
19:17 ShadowNinja kicked*
19:17 VanessaE ShadowNinja: three lines, each with 5 characters.
19:18 VanessaE the rest was typed.
19:18 ShadowNinja That might do it.
19:18 ShadowNinja If it was faster than 10 chars/sec
19:18 RealBadAngel my server is rather down. on the floor i mean
19:18 VanessaE ShadowNinja: it's too sensitive - it should average the typing speed over 50-100 characters or so
19:18 RealBadAngel havent coded it to fly
19:19 ShadowNinja 50 chars/sec now
19:19 RealBadAngel 50/sec?
19:19 bas080 i can type 20 char per sec. the quality of the typed material would be non existent
19:19 RealBadAngel rotfl
19:20 ShadowNinja Yes, this is for paste floods.
19:21 RealBadAngel just ban mexico and it will be ok
19:21 RealBadAngel best solution are big scissors, and cut the cable
19:22 ShadowNinja The thing is if you paste two lines and they have only a few characters but they come out fast enough it will still count. I could limit the messages to a minimum time/length.
19:23 frogcrush Doesn't freenode have its own antiflood?
19:23 RealBadAngel since a few months im here, only one should be kicked instantly is landmine
19:24 RealBadAngel nobody else is abusing this channel
19:24 RealBadAngel ah, and ban permamently webchat
19:24 ShadowNinja frogcrush: Yes, but it is rather lenient.
19:25 frogcrush ShadowNinja: Unless you try remotely listing a directory...
19:25 frogcrush ;)
19:25 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: Yes, but LM isn't going to always log in as LM. So everyone is a suspect.
19:25 frogcrush (shifty eyes)
19:25 sfan5 ShadowNinja: I asked this before but didn't get an answer: "Is there a DerpLang+ specification?"
19:25 RealBadAngel scissors are blind. cut is cut
19:26 ShadowNinja sfan5: There is a plain Derplang one. Lemme see if I can get it.
19:26 RealBadAngel hasta la vista
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19:26 frogcrush Should rewrite Minetest in Mindf*ck...
19:27 RealBadAngel brain...
19:27 Calinou ^
19:27 Calinou there is no "mindfuff" :P
19:27 VanessaE frogcrush: the word is "fuck".  you can write it here. :)
19:27 RealBadAngel mindf..k you can have after a few beers too much :P
19:28 thefamilygrog66 my virgin ears
19:28 VanessaE lol
19:28 thefamilygrog66 haha
19:28 frogcrush :O thank you, realbadangel
19:28 VanessaE anyone whose ears are still virgin these days surely lives in a bubble :)
19:28 frogcrush thefamilygrog66: Your virgin ears, I was giddy just getting a hug from a cutie last night
19:29 ShadowNinja sfan5: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Derplang In Derplang+ statements are ended with a semicollon, the names are one character longer, variable length argument lists are supported, and if and goto are not supported.
19:29 thefamilygrog66 I wish I was as cool as John Travolta in a plastic bubble
19:29 ShadowNinja (at least not yet)
19:29 frogcrush thefamilygrog66: lol
19:29 thefamilygrog66 or perhaps Jake Gyllenhal
19:30 Calinou to do that, be an ARM CPU with active cooling, thefamilygrog66
19:30 RealBadAngel hah, have you guys read the latest news? Jolie cut off her boobs!
19:30 RealBadAngel shes flat by now ;)
19:30 frogcrush Dafuq?
19:30 thefamilygrog66 double mastectomy - not really funny stuff
19:31 RealBadAngel she was afraid of cancer
19:31 RealBadAngel not that she had the cancer
19:31 RealBadAngel just was afraid of
19:31 frogcrush Wow.
19:31 RealBadAngel so it is actually funny
19:31 thefamilygrog66 really? there must've been some indication
19:31 sfan5 ShadowBot: how do I execute DerpLang again?
19:32 VanessaE there's a "rack of.." or "spilled milk" joke in there somewhere.
19:32 ShadowNinja sfan5: dp(or derplangplus) <code>
19:32 sfan5 ShadowBot: dp va:x:100:la:start:su:x:x:1:ou:x:ou:bottles of beer!:eq:x:0:END:start:
19:33 sfan5 :(
19:33 RealBadAngel it is like i can step on a rusty nail and feel the pain. im cutting my leg of to avoid the situation
19:33 ShadowNinja sfan5: It is ignoring you, and that is regular derplang.
19:33 sfan5 ShadowNinja: oh right and why?
19:33 Calinou RealBadAngel, old newsw
19:33 Calinou -w
19:33 VanessaE no if's?  how do you do decisions/branches then?
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19:34 RealBadAngel Calinou, i just read them yesterday on polish news site
19:34 ShadowNinja VanessaE: You don't yet.
19:34 VanessaE oh.  :)
19:35 Calinou thus: old news :P
19:35 RealBadAngel pity. tomb raider was famous of nice boobs
19:35 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: dp var:x:100;sub:x:x:1;out:x:"Bottles of beer!"
19:35 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: derplangplus derplangplus <code>
19:35 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: dp var:x:100;sub:x:x:1;out:x:"Bottles of beer!\""
19:35 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: derplangplus derplangplus <code>
19:36 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: dp "var:x:100;sub:x:x:1;out:x:\"Bottles of beer!\""
19:36 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: -1Bottles of beer!
19:36 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: dp "var:x:100;sub:x:1:x;out:x:\"Bottles of beer!\""
19:36 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 0Bottles of beer!
19:36 Calinou RealBadAngel, in the latest tomb raider, lara croft actually has less boobs :P
19:36 VanessaE Calinou: you mean it can no longer be called 'boob raider'?
19:36 ShadowNinja Like so. I will try to add loops soon.
19:37 Calinou but has tressFX to halve your FPS
19:37 RealBadAngel in the next one shes gonna have ZERO boobs
19:37 Calinou VanessaE, no :D
19:37 RealBadAngel game engine coders will have less work then on the next games
19:37 VanessaE I haven't seen anything out of the tomb raider franchise since the first PSX game, except for the movie
19:37 RealBadAngel no boobs physics code needed at all
19:38 Calinou tressFX doesn't work for boobs, sadly
19:39 * VanessaE shakes her head.
19:40 RealBadAngel it is Jolie's ready code then? ;)
19:40 VanessaE abe tells me that she got 'em lopped off because she is genetically predisposed to breast cancer.  stupid reason.
19:41 frogcrush How would you cut your own boobs off? A big knife? Wait, I don't want to know..
19:42 RealBadAngel she knows the tricks, propably found out in old mayans temple
19:42 VanessaE heh
19:43 RealBadAngel somehow it reminds me old story
19:43 RealBadAngel one guy betrayed by woman cut off his dick using an axe
19:43 RealBadAngel true story
19:44 Exio wtf
19:44 Exio i just look at #mt
19:44 Exio and i see "cut your own boobs" and "woman cut off his dick"
19:44 Exio what happened D:
19:44 frogcrush Things escalated quickly...
19:44 BrandonReese Do you have highlight rules setup for those phrases?
19:45 frogcrush BrandonReese: Most likely.
19:45 RealBadAngel i was always wondering why the heck he cut off his own one not the other guys one
19:45 frogcrush Drugs?
19:45 Calinou :o BrandonReese is on IRC
19:45 Calinou hi :)
19:45 frogcrush My moms friend worked at a jail, and one guy tore his own dick off and ate it
19:46 BrandonReese Hello
19:46 RealBadAngel ouch
19:47 RealBadAngel he must have been in god mode ;)
19:48 frogcrush :D
19:48 sfan5 good night
19:48 RealBadAngel wonder what have he been thinkin while sittin on the toilet next day
19:49 frogcrush Doctors had to cut into his stomach to grab it, then reattach it
19:49 frogcrush Poor doctors...
19:49 Calinou then the doctors said "hax"
19:49 RealBadAngel they should reaatach it to his face
19:50 RealBadAngel to proper mark an idiot
19:50 Calinou or to his ass, so that it hurts when he sits
19:50 frogcrush lol
19:51 frogcrush I think it would have been easier to just stitch it to the inside of his mouth
19:51 frogcrush that's just me tho
19:52 RealBadAngel idk, but imho you shall avoid folks that are facepalmin on the street
19:52 RealBadAngel they may be masturbating
19:52 Calinou lol
19:52 Calinou this channel just turned into another #redeclipse
19:53 RealBadAngel oh cmon, some fun is never wrong
19:53 frogcrush I think it went a little off topic
19:53 Calinou RealBadAngel, true
19:56 STHGOM what is with all you people?
19:56 RealBadAngel at least we have one evening without "please copy error report"
19:56 RealBadAngel and rename folder
19:57 VanessaE STHGOM: you've wandered into #insanity.  Please check your brain at the door :)
19:57 RealBadAngel brainsssss? wheeeere?
19:57 RealBadAngel gimmmmme
19:58 RealBadAngel btw have you seen Zombieland?
19:58 frogcrush THAT was a funny movie
19:59 RealBadAngel yeah
19:59 STHGOM i ask you again: WHAT IS WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?!?!?
19:59 frogcrush The only zombie movie I have ever seen
19:59 RealBadAngel STHGOM, BRAINSSS!!!!
19:59 frogcrush STHGOM: It would be easier to ask what is right
19:59 * frogcrush prepares shotgun
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20:00 * RealBadAngel points at jordan4ibanez
20:00 jordan4ibanez Wat.
20:00 VanessaE duck season!  FIRE!
20:01 RealBadAngel but not in head, brains are delicious
20:01 STHGOM frogcrush: why? because there is less?
20:02 Calinou for netflix users, every movie is fun :P
20:02 RealBadAngel btw i just watched yesterday newest arnold's movie
20:02 RealBadAngel sadly this guy is getting old
20:03 PilzAdam Calinou, that is true trolling: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=50597#p50597
20:05 Calinou only I can do that
20:05 Calinou is it just me, or is hybrid dog's fetish GIMP? ._.
20:07 RealBadAngel Great Imagination Minetest Project? ;)
20:08 Calinou GNU is mining PilzAdam.
20:10 RealBadAngel btw what for is throwing candies on the ground??
20:10 Calinou nothing
20:10 Calinou but changing the smiley shown after that sentence
20:10 ShadowNinja Goto/labels/if/loops implemented. Now to test...
20:12 RealBadAngel goto label:test if test loop error message
20:13 RealBadAngel one liner to test it all ;)
20:14 frogcrush TEST ALL THE THINGS!
20:14 frogcrush I almost wrote twat instead of test
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20:15 Calinou lol
20:22 ShadowNinja sfan5: ,,(dp label:'a';goto:'a')
20:22 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: The script timed out.
20:23 Calinou mark shuttleworth would just use kill -9 ShadowBot
20:24 Calinou </upstart joke>
20:24 Calinou (when you shut down, it kills all processes :P)
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20:27 ShadowNinja There, now it actually terminates the script.
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20:29 frogcrush ,,(dp label:'a';goto:'a')
20:29 ShadowBot frogcrush: The script timed out.
20:30 PilzAdam !op ShadowBot
20:30 ShadowBot PilzAdam: Error: You don't have the #minetest,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:32 VanessaE "If you feel you have executed this command in error, please fuck off."
20:32 VanessaE ;)
20:32 Calinou ^ nocheatplus style
20:33 Calinou le me types "/pl", "I'm sorry, but you do not have the permission to run this command. Please contact the server administrator if you believe this is in error."
20:33 STHGOM bye
20:33 Calinou (typo was kept intentionally, "in")
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20:42 Calinou 'night
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21:00 Exio why zombies movies when you have games with zombies!
21:03 PilzAdam maybe because games are too scary?
21:03 Exio haha
21:04 Exio i just started following the story of HL (|BS|OF)
21:04 Exio when playing
21:04 Exio instead of just cheating, i normally play with the lights off + midnight
21:05 Exio and headphones >:D
21:08 NakedFury what do oyu play like that?
21:09 Exio because then it is more realistic :P
21:10 Exio playing at midnight, hearing only the game sounds
21:10 NakedFury I meant what game
21:10 Exio ah
21:10 NakedFury I also use headphones
21:10 Exio [18:04:13] <Exio> i just started following the story of HL (|BS|OF)
21:10 Exio half life (|blue shift|opposing force)
21:10 Exio i just got them for linux
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21:13 VanessaE bbl
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21:17 Exio i need to check my eyes/brain
21:17 qwertytrains !seen markveidemanis
21:17 MinetestBot qwertytrains: markveidemanis was last seen at 2013-05-15 19:18:53 UTC on #minetest
21:17 Exio i read why as who, what as why and who as what
21:20 khonkhortisan Then you said "i read what as why, who as what and why as who"
21:23 PilzAdam -> "i read what as who, what as what and why as what"
21:23 khonkhortisan but what turns into why
21:24 khonkhortisan and why to who
21:24 PilzAdam oh
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21:24 PilzAdam Exio, your brain is just fucked up :-p
21:25 khonkhortisan it would've been worse if it wasn't a loop
21:25 Exio PilzAdam: i think it broke
21:25 PilzAdam have you tried to close all windows and restart it?
21:25 khonkhortisan why → who → what ↶
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21:29 jojoa1997 !up sfan5.dyns.org
21:29 MinetestBot sfan5.dyns.org:30000 seems to be down
21:29 jojoa1997 sfan5 your server topic is lying
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21:35 Exio PilzAdam: ... k
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21:58 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Make chat messages consistent. 52c1379bce 2013-05-15T14:52:12-07:00 http://git.io/GOeLjQ
21:58 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Add //unmark chat command, fix position setting not being reset by //reset. d52f3d649e 2013-05-15T14:03:26-07:00 http://git.io/IeyS2w
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22:36 Evergreen Dangit, I wish I could actually find some people online here.
22:36 Evergreen I guess I'll just wait.
22:36 hmmmm there aren't 88 people here?
22:36 * hmmmm blinks
22:36 Evergreen I mean online.  :p
22:37 Evergreen atm
22:37 hmmmm many are online
22:37 PilzAdam Evergreen, you will probably get more attention if you say something smart :-)
22:37 hmmmm being online doesn't mean non-stop talking
22:38 Evergreen In that case, I mean being connected and chatting on the IRC.
22:38 Evergreen I had an idea for a mod that I already made a nodebox for
22:38 Evergreen scaffolding
22:39 Evergreen My idea is that if you break a piece of scaffolding, all the ones dirrectly above it will break and be added to your inventory
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23:44 jojoa1997 hi guys
23:44 Menche hi
23:46 Kacey hey Menche how is your server doing?
23:47 Menche made a script to automatically restart it if it crashes
23:47 Kacey nice
23:47 Menche going to make a script to make a map and backup
23:48 Menche menche.servegame.com/map.png
23:48 Menche that map is a few days old; the automatic script isn't set up yet
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23:58 ShadowNinja Menche: Make sure to use the C++ mapper. It is tens of times faster.
23:59 Menche ShadowNinja: i am

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