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00:00 sdzen ello has /clearobjects been fixed yet?
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00:22 sdzen I take that as a no
00:23 Sketch3 No clue.  Drawing at the moment
00:24 * sdzen cant tell if that was a clever joke about your nickname, or you were serious
00:24 sdzen maybe both
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00:26 Sketch3 Nah, being serious.  MyPaint, wacom tablet
00:28 sdzen I love mypaint :P
00:30 Sketch3 Yea.  The dev ver has some extra featues
00:32 * ShadowNinja peeks in
00:32 Sketch3 Wish it had perspective tools
00:32 Exio hi ShadowB... err, ShadowNinja
00:33 ShadowNinja Anything special or just the usual chit-chat?
00:36 ShadowNinja So nothing...
00:39 sbaugh is there any way to save my password?
00:43 kahrl you could write it in this channel. We'll remember it for you
00:44 Sketch3 Lols, yeah.  Save it here, then you can copy-paste it from chat logs
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00:50 Exio Sketch3: aptitude is awesome
00:51 Exio it just eats 6gb of ram for nothing
00:51 Exio as i had to cancel it, and upgrading was just removing ONE package and installing other
00:51 Sketch3 Oh, is it working better for ya now?
00:51 Exio (the big problem what was "locking" the upgrade)
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00:53 testing hey guys it is Kacey
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01:24 VanessaE hiall.
01:32 Kacey hi v
01:38 Exio hey VanessaE
01:40 VanessaE hey
01:40 Exio look at http://i.imgur.com/KTBfsj0.jpg
01:40 Exio not mine, but
01:40 VanessaE nice
01:41 Exio with the default TP
01:41 VanessaE too bad that's not MT :-/
01:41 Exio yep
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01:49 khonkhortisan flare!
01:50 khonkhortisan and wavey mirror
01:51 Exio there are shadows and stuff, but i only like the reflection ;P
01:52 khonkhortisan the sun is a real light source
01:52 khonkhortisan and papyrus doesn't project shadow
01:53 Exio wut?
01:53 khonkhortisan There's no darkness under the papyrurs at middle-right
01:53 khonkhortisan but the water reflects the papyrus anyway
01:55 Exio other thing what looks pretty nice those shaders is..  the "moon light"
01:57 khonkhortisan I'd rather get hacked by a virus than have my computer destroy my data by auto-updating without my presense
01:58 khonkhortisan *presence
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02:37 VanessaE http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/03/2046214/epic-and-mozilla-bring-html5-opengl-demo-to-the-browser
02:37 VanessaE can anyone say, Minetest in the Browser? :-)
02:38 Exio 5 fps drop
02:38 VanessaE (ok, maybe it would be a *tad* harder than the above ;-) )
02:38 Exio 5x*
02:38 VanessaE haha
02:38 VanessaE probably so
02:38 Exio and that is.. old?
02:39 VanessaE though that "2x" claim (by which I assume they mean "about half the speed") does make it at least plausible
02:39 VanessaE Emscripten is old, but that article is on today's feed right now
02:39 VanessaE so it's probably a week old ;)
02:39 Exio i mean, the "Fps demo"
02:39 Exio i already saw a FPS demo ported thanks to emscripten like a month ago iirc
02:39 Exio maybe more
02:39 VanessaE looks like it's only been out for a week
02:40 VanessaE good to see, though.  It opens the door for an in-browser MT for those who want that (e.g. tablets)
02:40 Exio not the same fps for what i can see
02:40 Exio VanessaE: i'd not play MT on those devices ... in my browser
02:41 Exio html5 -> java -> hardware
02:41 VanessaE me neither, but I've actually been out in 'the wild' - I could see people actually doing this.
02:41 VanessaE java?  ew.
02:41 Exio android is a "pseudo" java
02:41 VanessaE I wonder if this concept is what got lamefun all up in arms about converting the world over to html+etc
02:41 Exio lol
02:42 Exio i prefer performance
02:42 VanessaE ditto
02:42 VanessaE I'd never play an in-browser version either, but I can see an argument for it
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03:59 arsdragonfly how to make the text in the formspec wrap the lines automatically?
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05:06 sfan5 mornin' everyone
05:16 sfan5 <sfan5> anyone against me commiting what is described here: http://forum.minetest.net/view[…]?pid=88123#p88123 <- definetly needed; you need to test this first, though <- it shouldn't break anything (on Linux and Mac), I got reports that this fixes the favorite server list on win
05:16 sfan5 oh.. pilzadam is not here and anyway wrong channel
05:20 sfan5 hi MinetestBot
05:20 MinetestBot Hi sfan5
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05:30 arsdragonfly is that about the borken cURL ?
05:30 arsdragonfly that needs additional dependency anyway
05:35 sfan5 cmon MinetestBot time out already!
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07:04 sfan5 the health packs I made look like apples http://i.imgur.com/Zx8iBvy.png
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07:09 Limux_ Is there a Minetest build for ARM computers?
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07:44 Limux_ Is everyone sleeping on this channel
07:44 Limux_ Is there a Minetest build for ARM computers?
07:46 Jeija_ Limux_, minetest works e.g. on the Raspberry Pi (so in the raspbian repos), or build it yourself.
07:47 Limux_ THX
07:50 RealBadAngel hi Jeija_
08:02 Jeija_ hi RealBadAngel
08:03 RealBadAngel have u make something about node placement prediction with 6dfacedir?
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08:09 john_minetest hello
08:09 RealBadAngel hi
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08:12 sfan5 anyone up for a game of JSBombers(a bit improved by me)?
08:12 john_minetest okay
08:12 sfan5 john_minetest: http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8083/
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08:20 john_minetest Lol, JSBombers is (c) 2011 Perttu Ahola / celeron55
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09:25 sfan5 john_minetest: i'm currently working on the src code so it may not work
09:25 john_minetest okay.
09:26 sfan5 it will be fixed in 1 min
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09:41 Infinity_69 Hi
09:42 Zeg9 (in the hope he won't see me)
09:42 Infinity_69 Who, me? :-D
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09:43 Issa hello
09:43 Issa i like play minetest
09:43 Infinity_69 Hi
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09:43 Issa but i need fight something on the game
09:43 Issa how add mod with animals or better monsters ?
09:43 Infinity_69 Mobf
09:44 Issa what ?
09:44 Infinity_69 Mobf adds mobs
09:44 Infinity_69 Animals...
09:44 Zeg9 !g mobf minetest
09:44 MinetestBot Zeg9: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629
09:45 Zeg9 or this one
09:45 Zeg9 !g simple mobs minetest
09:45 MinetestBot Zeg9: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3063
09:45 Issa ok so now i need to found how install mod :/
09:45 Issa why is not by defauult
09:45 Issa is this -->
09:45 Issa http://www.freeimagehosting.net/pqbd9
09:46 Issa 2d sprites
09:46 Issa sorry is "moches"
09:46 Zeg9 Moche -> ugly :P
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09:46 Zeg9 But now it is 3d
09:46 Issa Zeg9, update the screen
09:47 Zeg9 Issa, it isn't my mod
09:47 Issa ok
09:47 Issa i m tring to install
09:47 john_minetest lol, this picture is from 0.4.dev
09:47 john_minetest stone old
09:47 Issa first i need to download the frech install minetest
09:47 Zeg9 Yeah, or minimal game
09:47 Zeg9 Issa, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5820 << these are my mobs, I made 2 :P
09:48 Issa second i instal one of my favote tthme texture
09:48 Issa "RIREs" -->  is a lave monsters
09:48 Issa http://ompldr.org/vaWF5dA
09:48 Zeg9 Yes, lava flan
09:48 Issa enormes
09:49 Zeg9 He's cute ;)
09:49 Issa so i install  animals and after i install u monster byzarre mods
09:49 Zeg9 Nop, mine works with simple mobs
09:51 * Jordach is working on a mystery gamemode
09:52 Issa sorry MinetestBot gice me two link
09:52 Issa so i need to install the both, or only one fo them ?
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09:53 sfan5 john_minetest: its buggy right now
09:53 john_minetest yeah
09:53 Zeg9 One of them. The first, animals have many many mobs (monsters and animals), and the second, is more simple, and IMO, better models
09:53 Infinity_69 Jordach: "What'ya doin' ?" ~Phineas and Ferb
09:54 Jordach nope.
09:54 Jordach not even saying
09:54 kaeza Phineas and Ferb :D
09:54 Infinity_69 What
09:54 kaeza don't forget Perry :3
09:54 Infinity_69 Agent P.
09:54 Issa i have copy the animals_modpack-master on the folder --> minetest-0.4.6-2\mods\minetest
09:54 Issa do u think is OK ?
09:54 Zeg9 It should be
09:54 Issa ok i m starting a new partie
09:55 Infinity_69 !G gpl iirc
09:55 Infinity_69 !g gpl iirc
09:55 MinetestBot Infinity_69: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients
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09:55 Issa what difference between Buid, Minetest, Minimal develpement test and survival ?
09:56 Issa i think it would add a buble with description when u are on the menu
09:56 Zeg9 ...
09:56 Zeg9 Infinity_69 I ment the license is GPL, if I remember correct
09:56 Infinity_69 !g gpl
09:56 MinetestBot Infinity_69: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
09:56 kaeza yuck... GPL :/
09:56 Zeg9 Issa: minetest is, well, a compromise between build and survival
09:56 Zeg9 kaeza: yes, I may change it when I have time too, and if john agrees
09:57 Issa Zeg9, i ahave started the game but no animals in view
09:57 Zeg9 I didn't work on this project (platformutes) since a while
09:57 Zeg9 Wait for them to spawn
09:59 Issa well the map generateur have some problem
09:59 Issa i have some many apple in the air
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09:59 Issa and i have to many montains
10:00 kaeza settings like mg_name and mg_flags are saved in the map meta right?
10:01 kaeza ard re-loaded when you enter the world?
10:01 kaeza and*
10:01 Zeg9 No, you need to recreate a map
10:01 kaeza ehm...
10:01 kaeza lemme explain
10:02 Zeg9 When you do /set they are set in minetest.conf, when you create a map they are copied to map meta
10:02 Infinity_69 !g zeg9 platformates github
10:02 MinetestBot Infinity_69: No results found for 'zeg9 platformates github'.
10:02 Zeg9 !g Platformutes.
10:02 MinetestBot Zeg9: http://sourceforge.net/projects/platformutes/
10:02 kaeza I have created a world using mg_flags = flat for testing purposes
10:02 Issa sorry i don't understand ?
10:02 Infinity_69 Tnx zeg9
10:02 Issa i need to go, see u later
10:02 Zeg9 Bye
10:03 kaeza later I decided to create a new one using mg_flags = trees, caves, etc
10:03 kaeza but when I entered the flat world again, new mapblocks are being generated using the new settings (i.e. not flat)
10:04 Zeg9 Don't think I can help, I've had similar problems...
10:04 Zeg9 I once tried indev mapgen, then all my maps seem to be indev - the lava lakes are weird
10:05 kaeza so it is reproducible? haven't tested much
10:05 Zeg9 Even though all map metas contain mg_name = v6 and minetest.conf too...
10:05 Zeg9 ...or someone modified the mapgen v6.
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10:06 kaeza hey PilzAdam
10:06 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:07 Zeg9 hI
10:07 Zeg9 Hi* caps lock...
10:08 Issa im back i have this error --> http://hpics.li/ae1e41b
10:08 Issa what do u think please
10:09 Zeg9 That you use windows
10:09 Infinity_69 Hi PilzAdam
10:09 Zeg9 There isn't any real error actually
10:09 Zeg9 Just proves the mod has been loaded
10:09 Issa couldn't open file of texture
10:10 Issa and i m still on the waiting screen on minetest
10:10 Zeg9 Don't care about these
10:10 Zeg9 Waiting screen, the black one or "Waiting content"?
10:14 Zeg9 brb
10:16 Jordach supporting minetest's default textures is a pita
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10:22 PilzAdam New win build with fixed favorite serverlist: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
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10:24 john_minetest <downloading>
10:26 john_minetest lol, it is so strange that most games are bigger than a good os...
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10:29 john_minetest PilzAgam: Bug with the mode selection buttons: http://ompldr.org/vaWI4cg/bug.png
10:30 PilzAdam and where is the bug?
10:30 Jordach >bug.png
10:30 Jordach lol
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10:30 john_minetest The mode selection buttons (left bottom) don't show all the text
10:31 PilzAdam they are designed to have icons
10:31 PilzAdam get the icon for minetest_game here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
10:31 PilzAdam (in menu/)
10:31 Jordach well thats iconic
10:31 Jordach </pun>
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10:39 PilzAdam Zeg9, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/098692ef26d115a05c0a1e5916588c8523789556
10:39 Zeg9 Ah, thanks.
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10:48 sfan5 john_minetest: problems with jsbombers fixed!
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10:52 john_minetest sfan5: it doesn'T work properly.
10:52 sfan5 browser?
10:53 john_minetest invisible enemies dropping bombs everywhere and digging, i am marked as ingame and out of game already.
10:54 Zeg9 jsbombers? where? :P
10:54 sfan5 Zeg9: if you mean the improved version: http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8083/
10:54 Zeg9 trying
10:55 john_minetest bbl, eating
10:55 Zeg9 You closed it?
10:55 Zeg9 Cya
10:57 sfan5 Zeg9: no, it crashed
10:57 Jordach node.js ft
10:57 Jordach ftw/l
10:57 PilzAdam Zeg9, :D
10:58 Zeg9 First time I play this lol
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11:05 Zeg9 Gotta go, cya later
11:15 * john_minetest hates avast antivirus
11:16 Jordach i shut that bitch up a long time ago
11:16 PilzAdam windows....
11:16 Jordach gaming mode ftw
11:16 john_minetest EVERY self-compiled executable is blocked. I have to turn it off every single time I compile something.
11:16 Jordach auto sandboxing is off for me :)
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11:17 john_minetest it doesn't send it to sandbox. It says "helloworld.exe sent to quarantaine, evogen32 virus found"...
11:18 john_minetest and then the .exe is flushed away.
11:18 Jordach john_minetest, using GCC or MSVC
11:19 Jordach btw. 90Degrees: http://imgur.com/a/dmCmd
11:19 john_minetest Also nice if I compiled something years ago and have got the sourcecode on one of my 1000 USB sticks...
11:19 john_minetest I use Dev-C++ which uses mingw
11:19 kaeza which character encoding uses minetest for internal strings?
11:19 Jordach char
11:19 kaeza ...
11:19 Jordach one of the endians i think
11:19 Jordach it might be unicode, afaik
11:20 kaeza hmm
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11:21 rubenwardy hi all
11:21 Jordach hey rubenwardy
11:21 Jordach <Jordach> btw. 90Degrees: http://imgur.com/a/dmCmd
11:22 rubenwardy ?
11:23 Jordach rubenwardy, a proper texture pack
11:23 Jordach everything is default based (the colours)
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11:31 rubenwardy any news
11:31 rubenwardy ?
11:31 john_minetest hi rubenwardy
11:31 kaeza hey ruben
11:33 rubenwardy hiya
11:35 rubenwardy um cake that looks like biscuits: http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/food_nodeboxes2.png
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11:41 arsdragonfly Is it possible to make the texture of bookshelves glassframelike?
11:41 Jordach probably
11:41 arsdragonfly It'll look nicer then
11:41 arsdragonfly perhaps it might need a inventory too
11:42 arsdragonfly so that we can put books into them
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11:52 sfan5 john_minetest: #8dromeda
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12:25 rubenwardy bye all
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13:03 arsdragonfly http://imgur.com/FONlY1J
13:03 arsdragonfly yay
13:03 arsdragonfly a working bookshelf
13:03 arsdragonfly BTW how should I work with GitHub?
13:07 RealBadAngel what do you mean by "how"??
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13:48 kaeza jojoa1997, what do you mean "two functions"?
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13:53 jojoa1997 om_place
13:53 jojoa1997 on
13:54 jojoa1997 on_place = {{set_fire},{activate_nether}},
13:54 jojoa1997 hold your thought
13:54 kaeza jojoa1997, call those functions from another one maybe?
13:54 jojoa1997 i will be back in ~10 minutes
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14:10 LunaVorax Does Minetest have a concrete roadmap?
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14:11 arsdragonfly jojoa1997 : on_place = function(itemstack, placer, pointed_thing) set_fire() activate_nether() end
14:11 arsdragonfly doesn't it work?
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14:18 Shayan Are there any good servers?
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14:22 sdzen is pilzadam still alive?
14:22 PilzAdam kinda
14:22 * jin_xi hears voices from the grave
14:22 sdzen okay then, does simplemobs have some sort of population control in place?
14:23 PilzAdam yes
14:23 sdzen does it work well?
14:23 PilzAdam not really
14:23 PilzAdam it uses the standard ABM object count
14:23 sdzen can I suggest giving mobs a lifespan?
14:23 sdzen ie after a certain amount of time they just die off?
14:25 arsdragonfly PilzAdam: what do you mean by wrong identation?
14:25 PilzAdam you use spaces instead of tabs
14:25 arsdragonfly I used lua mode for emacs and pressed Tab to ident automatically
14:26 arsdragonfly Is there anyway to correct it automatically?
14:27 PilzAdam probably
14:28 jin_xi there is M-x tabify and M-x untabify
14:28 jin_xi idk if it works well tho
14:31 arsdragonfly should all the identation be tabs?
14:31 PilzAdam yes
14:34 arsdragonfly jin_xi: seems not working :-(
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14:37 kaeza arsdragonfly, you can try the standalone `unexpand' command
14:37 kaeza if all else fails, sed is your friend :)
14:42 arsdragonfly kaeza :it prints to the standard output
14:43 arsdragonfly what should i pipe it to?
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14:44 Zeg9 Hi!
14:44 arsdragonfly hello
14:44 john_minetest hi
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14:44 kaeza arsdragonfly, unexpand file.lua > file2.lua && mv -f file2.lua file.lua
14:45 jojoa1997 kaeza ping pong
14:45 kaeza arsdragonfly, of course, you can delay the `mv' part after you checked that indeed the command made the right output
14:46 kaeza jojoa1997, read the forum topic
14:46 jojoa1997 i did
14:46 jojoa1997 but
14:46 jojoa1997 do you know C++\
14:46 kaeza but?
14:46 jojoa1997 ?
14:47 kaeza what does C++ have to do with this?
14:47 jojoa1997 the hotbar only going up to 8 items
14:47 arsdragonfly kaeza: thanks a lot :-)
14:47 jojoa1997 try scrolling with a 9 item hotbar
14:47 kaeza jojoa1997, kahrl made a patch for it IIRC
14:47 kaeza arsdragonfly, np, anytime :)
14:48 jojoa1997 oh cool is it merged?
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14:49 jojoa1997 Naked Fury why havent you updated dokucraft/test what ever you called it
14:49 sfan5 >>> 0.2+0.2+0.2
14:49 sfan5 0.6000000000000001
14:49 sfan5 ^ wat?
14:49 kaeza jojoa1997, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/699
14:50 kaeza sfan5, rounding errors inherent to floating point calculations
14:50 jojoa1997 is it merged i dont feel like turning on my tablet
14:51 kaeza that's why it's discouraged to do "if 2.0+2.0+2.0 == 6.0 then"
14:51 kaeza jojoa1997, nope
14:52 jojoa1997 "if 2.0+2.0+2.0 == range_1 then"
14:53 jojoa1997 "if 2.0+2.0+2.0 >= range + 0.1 and <= range - 0.5 then"
14:53 kaeza nope
14:53 jojoa1997 "if 2.0+2.0+2.0 <= range + 0.1 and >= range - 0.5 then"
14:53 jojoa1997 yeah that
14:53 jojoa1997 oh and -0.1
14:54 jojoa1997 i have made a descition
14:54 jojoa1997 descision
14:54 jojoa1997 word
14:54 jojoa1997 i have made word that i will find obsidian in minecraft
14:54 jojoa1997 after i play an adventure map
14:55 Kacey anyone want to play tf2?
15:00 kaeza !up 94.249.210.250
15:00 MinetestBot 94.249.210.250:30000 is up (0.771ms)
15:00 Kacey kaeza, what server is that?
15:00 kaeza mine
15:00 Kacey nice
15:00 * Zeg9 is annoyed he can't copy-paste in minetest
15:01 Kacey Zeg9, agreed
15:01 * kaeza too
15:01 Zeg9 At least xchat doesn't crash anymore when I try
15:03 jojoa1997 later todayu it should have the new minitest
15:03 Zeg9 jojoa, is there an icon in the menu for it ? :D
15:06 thexyz finally!
15:06 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5842
15:07 arsdragonfly PilzAdam: identation fixed
15:09 jojoa1997 Zeg9 yes and also a background. Though i need a better one
15:09 jojoa1997 but this one is good also
15:13 * Zeg9 wants to know how many people will be on the etherpad at the same time
15:14 jojoa1997 etherpad?
15:21 * Zeg9 is bored
15:21 Kacey Zeg9, lol
15:23 Zeg9 Anyone wanna play js bombers?
15:23 jojoa1997 i have pics
15:24 jojoa1997 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/y23ta171tnb88uu/ybTxnnRiu6
15:24 jojoa1997 lookl closely
15:24 jojoa1997 wait brb
15:24 jojoa1997 i explain more later
15:26 Kacey Zeg9, sure throw me the link please
15:26 Kacey nvm got it
15:26 jojoa1997 ok one is regular and the 2 others are resized using linear and cubic whatever that means
15:26 jojoa1997 which looks best
15:26 thexyz http://bombermine.com/
15:26 Zeg9 Hmm it won't start
15:27 Kacey Zeg9, are you playing js bombers?
15:27 Zeg9 sfan5, it doesn't show me the game screen
15:27 sfan5 Zeg9: weird
15:27 Zeg9 worked
15:27 Zeg9 I am, on sfan5's
15:28 sfan5 thexyz: http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8083
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15:36 Kacey http://www.coolifiedgames.com/car-racing-games-coaster-racer-2/index.html not bad graphics
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15:41 jojoa1997 !up 94.249.210.250
15:41 MinetestBot 94.249.210.250:30000 seems to be down
15:41 PilzAdam arsdragonfly, still, what is the point of your addition?
15:42 Zeg9 until we have books we can write in...
15:43 Zeg9 sfan5: only because my brother is shouting at me to play with him
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15:43 sfan5 Zeg9: haha
15:43 sapier VanessaE are slabs and stairs missing for moretrees on purpose?
15:43 jojoa1997 Zeg9 play with him
15:44 sfan5 zeg9 knows whats up with bombs: http://i.imgur.com/7EBi88A.png
15:45 Sketch2 I can't get debug info for some reason, even tho its enabled verbose in conf
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15:45 Zeg9 Wtf, my computer just crashed
15:46 arsdragonfly PilzAdam: books that can be written on might be added in the future
15:47 PilzAdam but they arent added yet
15:48 sdzen http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=19387#p19387 hello hello! could someone move the to minetest games in the forums? I tihnk it meets all criteria!
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15:49 sapier is there any reason why you can't make slabs and stairs from desert stone?
15:50 arsdragonfly PilzAdam :so it's yet a decorative feature,just like books and bookshelves themselves :-)
15:50 arsdragonfly but it might becom3 useful
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16:00 Kacey uugh i have to go march today
16:01 NakedFury band march or soldier march?
16:04 sfan5 kaeza: are you "diego" in JSBombers?
16:04 kaeza yup
16:04 tripod sunday here
16:04 sfan5 kaeza: you got 5 more coins than me
16:04 kaeza are coins persistent?
16:05 kaeza I think I will play a bit more later
16:05 kaeza that game is cool ^^
16:07 Kacey NakedFury, marching band
16:07 * Zeg9 starts to hate his browser again
16:08 * Kacey doesnt want to march in heavy clothes in 90 degree weather for hours
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16:11 * jojoa1997 finished the menu background for MiniTest
16:11 Zeg9 Nice... But now I hate minecraft again :(
16:13 jojoa1997 why?
16:13 jojoa1997 play singleplayer
16:13 jojoa1997 offline
16:13 jojoa1997 that is the only way i play
16:14 jojoa1997 i hate my browser too
16:14 Zeg9 just that my brother forces me to play minecraft with him -_-
16:14 jojoa1997 Zeg9 how old is your bother
16:14 Zeg9 He shouts until he's at bed if I don't play -_-
16:14 Zeg9 He's 6...
16:14 Zeg9 Oh, he calmed down.
16:14 jojoa1997 zeg9 buy earmuff's and tell him no
16:15 jojoa1997 or
16:15 Zeg9 Hope he'll forget this idea for quite some time :P
16:15 jojoa1997 get him on a good and busy server
16:15 jojoa1997 Zeg9 PLAYU MINECRAFT WITH ME!!!
16:16 Zeg9 ...
16:16 Zeg9 Good and busy server --> most require to have bought minecraft
16:16 jojoa1997 oh
16:16 jojoa1997 soZeg9 has my type of minecraft
16:16 Zeg9 But let's stop talking about this
16:18 Zeg9 What could I do now
16:18 jojoa1997 you could
16:18 jojoa1997 play minecraft with your brother? >:-D
16:19 NakedFury play now or regret it when he is older and doesnt want to be bothered to play with you
16:19 john_minetest Zeg9: Wut, you parents ALLOW cracked minecraft?
16:19 NakedFury you will miss that small annoying guy wanting to ply with youu
16:19 john_minetest Mine were quite angry when they found out.
16:19 jojoa1997 Yeah Zeg9
16:20 jojoa1997 i miss my little sister wanting to play with me. now i beg here out of complete boredome and she requests impossible requests
16:20 Zeg9 But /me knows minecraft by heart, and doesn't find any fun playing it...
16:20 NakedFury but you know minetest the same way, are you bored of it?
16:21 Zeg9 I am quite bored, yes.
16:21 jojoa1997 Zeg9 go jump off a cliff
16:21 Zeg9 ...
16:21 NakedFury that happens to all games
16:21 jojoa1997 in the ocean underwater
16:21 Zeg9 Not to my brother :P
16:21 jojoa1997 NakedFury so true
16:21 jojoa1997 Zeg9 go read a book
16:22 jojoa1997 a book . .-.-.lp;-. -. 4
16:22 * jojoa1997 in a ghost voice
16:22 NakedFury before I can re read a book almost a or up to a year most have passed
16:22 jojoa1997 go read a book or face your BROTHER!
16:22 Zeg9 ...With the sort of books teachers want us to read, I won't read a book until, well,... maybe like NakedFury
16:23 jojoa1997 Zeg9 want to borrow from jmy library i literally have books from all ages
16:23 jojoa1997 personal btw
16:23 NakedFury lets say I read the hobbit now. I wont think about reading it again until a year or more has passed
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16:23 Kacey books? what is this wizardry?
16:23 jojoa1997 i get punished for reading too much
16:24 Zeg9 Seriously?...
16:24 jojoa1997 others for staying out to late
16:24 * jojoa1997 is messed up
16:24 jojoa1997 well we all are. i mean how old are we and we are playing minetest/minecraft
16:25 Exio hey
16:25 Exio i fin d MC still "funny" - sometimes :P
16:25 jojoa1997 well not us young people but others....
16:25 jojoa1997 jk
16:25 jojoa1997 :P
16:25 Exio not for surviving in survival, just for PvP or building l33t stuff with manually gathered resorces
16:26 Exio resources* find*
16:26 jojoa1997 i will be playing this for a long time until I make a 4d one
16:26 Exio killing blazes in the nether, fliping around, jumping to the lava, drinking the fire resistance potion a bit before you get in lava
16:26 jojoa1997 Exio i need to play with others for excitement
16:26 jojoa1997 ...
16:26 Exio i play in a server :P
16:26 * Zeg9 will write for project perabird
16:26 jojoa1997 that is why i annoy my little sister to play with me :D
16:27 jojoa1997 Exio want to play on a himachi server
16:27 Exio nah
16:27 jojoa1997 Exio i play adventure maps
16:28 jojoa1997 oh and minitest will be getting good tnt
16:28 Zeg9 Be back later
16:28 jojoa1997 bbl
16:28 Exio jojoa1997: ping?
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16:30 jojoa1997 Exio: WHO DARE AWAKE ME IN MY SLUMBER!
16:30 Exio wat
16:30 Exio jojoa1997: query?
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16:31 jojoa1997 Exio: WHO DARE QUARY ME IN MY SLUMBER!
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16:31 Exio wtf
16:31 jojoa1997 WHO THE DARE F ME IN MY SLUMBER!
16:31 jojoa1997 wait nonono
16:31 jojoa1997 WTF not F
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16:46 Zeg9 jojoa1997: now I remember why I didn't wanna play with him in the first place...
17:01 Kacey bbl
17:06 jojoa1997 Zeg9
17:07 Zeg9 Back
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17:09 Zeg9 Gotta go
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17:57 Guest32668 hey there i got some problems with minetest :(
17:58 Exio what problems?
17:58 kaeza what problems?
17:58 kaeza :D
17:58 Exio kaeza pls :P
17:58 Exio i'll sue you for using my copyrighted phrase
17:59 kaeza D:
17:59 [0gb_us] I have a problem with it too. It has no robots.
17:59 Guest32668 playing minetest and auto quit
17:59 Guest32668 sometimes need restart computer per that
17:59 [0gb_us] Sounds like a crash to me.
18:01 kaeza [0gb_us], robots?
18:02 [0gb_us] It's an inside joke, you had to be there. Jordan posted about how Minetest not having any robots was a big problem.
18:02 [0gb_us] kaeza, ^
18:03 kaeza oh nvm then :)
18:03 * kaeza goes back to code fps_pack
18:04 Guest32668 do u know how to change the name i hate to be quest :P
18:04 Guest32668 i am per irssi
18:04 [0gb_us] /nick <name>
18:05 [0gb_us] I think that will work in irssi, but not sure.
18:05 Gabby yeah better :)
18:06 Gabby it works but someone have name /nick gabriele so i quested it works here
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18:33 * Zeg9 has an existencial question
18:34 Zeg9 In a client, should a socket recv be placed inside a thread while the rendering is in the main thread, or should I use async sockets (if I understand them...)
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18:43 celeron55 Zeg9: it depends
18:46 celeron55 Zeg9: if you transfer large amounts of data, it's best handled elsewhere; but if you just have a few control packets, then having two threads has no actual benefit (and likely is less work; but you lose the scalability to larger transfers without doing extra work later)
18:46 celeron55 s/and likely is less work/and one thread is likely is less work/
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18:47 Zeg9 Guess I'll do one thread then, but how can I make non blocking sockets ? All I found was for python... I'll try to ixquick it a bit more
18:47 celeron55 minetest is basically single-threaded (but after receiving certain things it immediately offloads some processing to other threads, thus not bocking the update loop)
18:48 celeron55 blocking*
18:48 Zeg9 Seems I found, thanks for your help
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18:49 celeron55 the magic word is O_NONBLOCK 8)
18:51 Zeg9 Is it the same for win32 ?
18:51 Zeg9 As they always do things differently...
18:52 celeron55 i'm not sure; i would guess that the low-level socket api of windows has it too
18:52 Zeg9 I found something around line 192 of minetest->socket.cpp now...
18:53 celeron55 minetest uses UDP, so that may not be directly applicable to some other thing (which likely uses TCP (which is generally a better idea))
18:54 Zeg9 Well, yeah, I use tcp
18:54 Zeg9 Didn't want to handle all the stuff related to udp
18:54 hmmmm minetest has a lot of overhead to sending/receiving data, i wouldn't use it as any sort of reference...
18:55 celeron55 minetest uses UDP, and uses blocking sockets, and polls the sockets using select() with a very small timeout; overally it isn't really what should be done (at least in this case)
18:56 celeron55 but now that i think of it, Zeg9 should use select() and blocking sockets too
18:56 celeron55 (most likely)
18:56 Zeg9 Going to eat now, see you later guys
18:58 celeron55 hmmmm: i can think of one thing to which it is a good reference: making a protocol so obfuscated that nobody will ever make a second implementation
18:59 celeron55 notch should've used something like this, not us :D
19:08 hmmmm by us you mean you
19:10 hmmmm if it were up to me, i would have much, much less abstraction when it comes to packet handling, the packet handling happening in the same thread as the socket servicing, asychronous sockets, polled with kqueue(), epoll(), /dev/poll, WSAPoll(), or whatever the ideal polling mechanism is for that operating system
19:11 hmmmm select() would be an absolutely last resort
19:13 hmmmm in a server i wrote for a different game, i had multiple connection pools each servicing some number of sockets each (128 was the default) doing roughly what i just described
19:13 hmmmm scaled like a beast
19:16 Telek celeron55: Hey, if nothing else it runs okay over dialup, so it's not THAT terrible :D
19:17 sfan5 chrome has the 2x sound speed bug again...
19:21 * sfan5 needs someone to play JSBombers with
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20:31 Jordach|Web sfan5: y u close js bombers?
20:33 sfan5 Jordach|Web: i didn't
20:34 Jordach|Web gg
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20:38 Jordach|Web sfan5: its looking nice as a game now
20:38 sfan5 ik
20:38 Jordach|Web just needs more html polisg
20:38 Jordach|Web polish*
20:38 sfan5 you can help me if you want
20:38 sfan5 if you have chrome the element inspector is an excellent tool to play around with html
20:39 Jordach|Web nag
20:39 Jordach|Web nah
20:39 Jordach|Web im currently in friedfox right now
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21:01 OldCoder Jordach, hi
21:05 Jordach hey OldCoder
21:05 Jordach what do you need
21:06 OldCoder Nothing
21:06 OldCoder Well, that isn't true
21:06 * Jordach is currently busy
21:06 OldCoder But it was simply a hello
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21:07 STHGOM hi :D
21:07 kaeza weird error
21:07 OldCoder I lost my connection
21:07 kaeza hi STHGOM
21:07 OldCoder Am I back?
21:08 kaeza yes
21:08 kaeza hi OldCoder
21:08 sdzen hi people
21:08 kaeza hey sdzen
21:08 sdzen I was addressing people, not you
21:08 sdzen is people on?
21:08 kaeza :P
21:09 kaeza oh right... I'm an alien
21:09 kaeza I remember now
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21:10 OldCoder Jordach, wb
21:11 OldCoder and it was just a hello before
21:11 Jordach OldCoder, this laptop likes to disconnect
21:11 Jordach also: thats the best read error ever
21:11 STHGOM what server ussaly has the most players?
21:11 Jordach wazuclan 0.4.6
21:12 Jordach i see about 10 different players a day in the irc channel for the server
21:12 Jordach it also has a custom protection system
21:13 Jordach you use worldedit to protect a area
21:15 Jordach (which the admins obviously do)
21:15 Jordach STHGOM, ^
21:16 STHGOM ok
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21:17 STHGOM hi
21:20 Jordach brb
21:20 sfan5 good night
21:20 STHGOM bye!!!
21:22 Jordach aw man
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21:23 Jordach anyone up for a game of http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8083/
21:23 Jordach (js bombers)
21:23 Jordach ping me if youre going to play me
21:23 STHGOM whats that?
21:23 Jordach something like bomberman
21:24 STHGOM WHATS THAT?
21:24 Jordach try it
21:24 STHGOM ok ;)
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21:26 STHGOM ooOOOooooohhhh!
21:27 Jordach STHGOM, youre up
21:27 STHGOM :D
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21:27 STHGOM BOMB!!
21:28 kaeza aww... sdzen disconnected
21:28 sdzen it cheated!
21:29 kaeza well, yeah
21:29 Jordach kaeza, youre up
21:29 kaeza Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to sfan5.dyndns.org:8083
21:29 kaeza ?
21:29 john_minetest It's down
21:29 john_minetest sfan, JSBombers is down
21:30 Jordach sfan5, is your bombers down again
21:33 iqualfragile1 thexyz: i think it was you controlling minetest.ru, wasnt it?
21:34 sdzen http://i3.minus.com/ibyXqNQ51XBfUg.png
21:34 iqualfragile1 can you give me access to the server?
21:34 sdzen how?
21:34 sdzen look at the palyer list!
21:34 sdzen player*
21:35 proller__ Calinou is griefer :(
21:38 john_minetest sdzen: I always win ;)
21:38 john_minetest Even if I am not playing
21:38 sdzen looks like it
21:38 Jordach can i have a medal for playing wii sports tennis and irc'ing
21:39 STHGOM hehehe
21:40 Jordach im good at bowling, tennis and golf
21:40 STHGOM kinect is better :D
21:40 Jordach FUCK NO
21:40 NakedFury wii and kinect were wasted things for sport games
21:40 Jordach that unaccurate piece of crap?
21:40 NakedFury and yes kinect makes wii eat shit
21:40 Jordach wii motion+
21:42 iqualfragile1 what about qitting the fight about sports simulations and just doing some real sports?
21:42 iqualfragile1 or are you american?
21:42 john_minetest Real sports are dangerous.
21:42 NakedFury I would do sports if I had friends close by doing sports
22:00 sdzen oh shit jordach are you going to let him call you american?
22:01 Jordach fuck no
22:05 proller__
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22:26 kaeza slow news day @ the forumz
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22:27 kaeza that awkward moment when you want to misspell "the" as "teh" and you end up misspelling "teh" as "the"
22:29 enchilado that awkward moment when you want to misspell "the" as "teh"
22:30 hmmmm that awkward moment when you want to misspell "the" as "teh" but you can't because of your irc client's autocorrect
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22:42 NakedFury the
22:42 NakedFury yep
22:42 NakedFury I had to check
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22:54 kaeza hrm
22:55 kaeza I just found a problem with my find_pointed_thing function
22:57 kaeza apparently, PA's simple mobs models don't use the same anchor point/whatever as the default players
22:58 kaeza so get_objects_in_radius() returns inaccurate results
22:58 kaeza very inaccurate*
22:58 PilzAdam hm?
22:58 kaeza oh not a problem in your code actually
22:59 kaeza I just need to account for different collision boxes for different entities
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23:00 kaeza hmm... I wonder if this would be better implemented in C++...
23:00 kaeza would this be useful to anyone else?
23:02 kaeza basically, it would be the same thing the game does to find what the player is pointing at, but more flexible in that it allows to specify the range (length), which entities to ignore, etc
23:04 PilzAdam look at game.cpp:247
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23:05 PilzAdam hmm... you could run getPointedThing() with look_for_object=false when you find an object and compare the length of the 2 results
23:05 kaeza meh, I'll leave as it is now
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23:23 hmmmm this guy's jacket is awesome:  http://i.imgur.com/qWY3IXO.jpg
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23:27 kaeza hmmmm, :D
23:27 kaeza best jacket EVAR
23:28 sdzen I want IT!
23:30 kaeza hmm... the other day someone pointed that with some optimization options, day/night cycle was screwed
23:31 kaeza I just found this was reported long ago: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/143
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23:57 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, please no away nicks
23:57 sdzen why not?
23:57 PilzAdam because its annoying
23:57 sdzen it prevents confusion
23:57 PilzAdam you mark yourself silently as away
23:58 PilzAdam +can
23:58 sdzen but that is no fun
23:58 sdzen :)
23:58 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Alright, /away Away it is then
23:58 sdzen we dont reprimand the people who come on, then head off just to register their nick
23:59 ShadowNinja The change is automatic, I use a bouncer

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