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00:00 jojoa1997 Let's use Minecraft's ones :-)
00:00 jordan4ibanez It's not something to take lightly, this game, is an incredible engine, and -dev is just using it to turn it into Minecraft.
00:00 jordan4ibanez I had to take a break, so I would not leave, when I realized this.
00:01 BlockMen ok, i need to sleep. gd n8t
00:01 BlockMen left #minetest
00:01 arsdragonfly jordan4ibanez: the next time they add a new feature, they should say "because it's  NOT in minecraft"
00:02 hmmmm umm..
00:02 jordan4ibanez No, "Because it's a cool idea".
00:02 khonkhortisan mod-controlled client gui
00:02 hmmmm jordan4ibanez, what's the problem
00:02 khonkhortisan that's not in mc
00:02 jojoa1997 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6--kTcODn8
00:02 hmmmm i don't get how you're so upset that there are a lot of elements from minecraft here in the default game
00:02 hmmmm there's a reason why everything's modifiable
00:02 hmmmm if you don't like it, you can change it
00:03 hmmmm you can't do that with minecraft, minecraft will always be minecraft
00:03 arsdragonfly Yea,a cool idea that minecraft hasn't implemented
00:03 hmmmm so shut up and do something productive instead of bitch about it.
00:03 jordan4ibanez I'm not upset about that. I'm upset, because a lot of cool features, are being rejected, because the -dev team thinks that a feature will cause arguments in a scenario at some point in time.
00:03 hmmmm it's completely in your power.
00:03 VanessaE hmmmm: I believe the argument is that it shouldn't need changed - it should be available by default - if someone doesn't want it, it's a lot easier to delete a folder than to track down and install a mod if the feature doesN'T exist.
00:03 VanessaE whatever "it" might be.
00:04 hmmmm indeed
00:04 jordan4ibanez Fuck you hmmmm. This isn't about modability, it's about the default game. And that people who don't know that the forums even exist, think that this game is a pile of fucking dog shit because of the blandness.
00:05 hmmmm the default game is fine as it is.
00:05 hmmmm again, YOU are the one with the complaints
00:05 hmmmm you're the minority
00:05 hmmmm and this game is awesome, you couldn't make something better no matter how hard you tried
00:05 hmmmm stop complaining and be grateful
00:05 VanessaE hmmmm: he tried before if I recall right :)
00:05 hmmmm minetest could just not exist and you'd be stuck with nothing
00:06 jordan4ibanez When I try to tell people about Minetest, they tell me, "Wow this game is a piece of fucking shit" Every where I go. I have to explain to people about mods. Imgur, Reddit, Facebook, Youtube, different IRC channels, anything. It's the same thing from everyone. How am I supposed to bring people to this game if the default game sucks so much ass?
00:06 hmmmm mods are well-advertised on the website
00:06 hmmmm on its very own, minetest is technically superior to minecraft in pretty much every way possible
00:06 kahrl_ tell them to install the dwarves game or whatever?
00:07 jordan4ibanez Like I said, people expect a some-what exciting game out of the box at least, and this game mode as it is, is not. I will leave that at this.
00:07 jojoa1997 hmmmm i think the default game should have alot more
00:07 VanessaE One thing that would help is if we stopped calling the "default" game "minetest" but picked something entirely different from the engine.
00:07 VanessaE tell the user, "get the minetest engine and the XXX game pack"
00:07 jojoa1997 i think common would be better with more added
00:07 VanessaE otherwise they will assume "get the minetest engine and the minetest_game pack"
00:08 VanessaE jojoa1997: common isn't a game, it's more like a library
00:08 arsdragonfly Those who say that one game is a fucking shit at the first glance shouldn't exist in the minetest community
00:08 jojoa1997 ok but you get my point
00:08 jojoa1997 more needs to be added
00:08 VanessaE jojoa1997: and more is being added.
00:08 jojoa1997 yes
00:08 jojoa1997 stop
00:08 jojoa1997 i am saying more needs to get added and a lot more is added
00:08 VanessaE the problem is what other games draw from that "library".
00:08 jojoa1997 and is bing added
00:09 VanessaE hmmmm: isn't it time we started thinking about new names for the standard games?  I think it would solve a lot of problems.
00:09 hmmmm i suppose so
00:10 jojoa1997 what we need is to put all the mods in the current game versions and have them use those mods. cause it would be easier for other games(minitest) to use it from common
00:10 hmmmm it's just that i can't understand this anti-dev sentiment that everybody seems to have
00:10 hmmmm we are giving them something for free
00:10 hmmmm something that takes a lot of time, effort and skill that they clearly lack
00:10 emptty at first I though that jordan4ibanez was joking
00:10 hmmmm and then they shit in our face and tell us "fuck you"
00:10 VanessaE hmmmm: well, haven't you noticed the pattern in all of these complaints?
00:11 hmmmm i feel like we should start banning these people, but it'd probably go too far
00:11 emptty side note: I am very grateful to what you guys did :)
00:12 hmmmm vanessae, not really, what?
00:12 VanessaE the pattern I see is that "the engine is good, but no one is willing to entertain the idea of adding feature X to one of the default games", to the point that the desire to avoid that feature turns into a perceived, vocal rejection of the idea altogether.
00:12 hmmmm which is what you basically said earlier
00:12 VanessaE is it true?  not really, but there is a kernel of truth to it.
00:12 hmmmm the more i think about it the more i agree
00:13 hmmmm minetest's core is way more than a game at this point
00:13 hmmmm it does more stuff than a game ever would
00:13 VanessaE exactly.  and it's surely NOT a "test" anymore.
00:13 hmmmm it's more impressive than a game too
00:14 VanessaE yes
00:14 hmmmm but people have lots of reservations to changing names
00:14 hmmmm we'd have to have a lot of consensus
00:14 hmmmm a LOT
00:14 hmmmm i mean look at the shitstorm with mese, and that's just a yellow block with a word scribbled on it
00:15 VanessaE well then I tell you what:
00:15 hmmmm when we refer to the core, i'd like to call it
00:15 hmmmm "something Content Engine"
00:15 VanessaE rather than rename the game, let's rename the core.
00:15 hmmmm Voxel Content Engine
00:15 VanessaE naw, too generic
00:15 emptty or you could put some presure to mod authors so that they start considering their work seriously and release it seriously instead of assuming that everyone will go for the git release of their repo
00:15 hmmmm Minetest Voxel Content Engine
00:15 hmmmm Minetest VCE
00:15 VanessaE no, something that doesn't mention "minetest" at all
00:15 VanessaE nevermind what the API says
00:16 hmmmm i really wonder what celeron would have to say about this
00:16 VanessaE ping in him -dev and find out :)
00:16 hmmmm i have a policy to not ping people
00:16 hmmmm unless i really need to
00:16 arsdragonfly open voxel engine maybe?
00:16 VanessaE emptty: making "proper" releases is pointless.
00:17 hmmmm these are all possibilities
00:17 kahrl_ it needs to be something that is short or can be shortened easily
00:17 VanessaE arsdragonfly: maybe, but I think we need to avoid giving it a technical name, other than "engine".
00:17 emptty VanessaE: yeah that's what people keep telling me, but I find it astonishing
00:17 hmmmm mtvce
00:17 kahrl_ nobody would want to say it otherwise
00:17 VanessaE hmmmm: too many syllables.
00:17 kahrl_ hmmmm: too many consonants, I think
00:17 VanessaE lol
00:17 hmmmm lol
00:17 VanessaE ninja'd!  HIYAH!
00:17 VanessaE :)
00:17 hmmmm and then instead of "minetestserver" we make that
00:17 hmmmm mtvced
00:18 VanessaE ok I think that idea is out. :D
00:18 VanessaE -ed?
00:18 VanessaE -d?
00:18 VanessaE daemon?
00:18 hmmmm daemon
00:18 hmmmm obvs
00:18 VanessaE mmmh
00:18 khonkhortisan mt+mtd
00:18 VanessaE doesn't work, the server doesn't run as a daemon anyway
00:18 kahrl_ Voxel Daemon?
00:18 hmmmm mtc mtd
00:18 hmmmm lol
00:18 hmmmm sounds like we'd have a mascot
00:18 hmmmm beastie made up of blocks
00:19 VanessaE yeah, "sam", with the minetest logo on his/her chest :)
00:19 VanessaE holding a mese pickaxe instead of a trident :)
00:19 jojoa1997 <emptty> or you could put some presure to mod authors so that they start considering their work seriously and release it seriously instead of assuming that everyone will go for the git release of their repo re: yes i agree. that is one of the reasons i am using dropbox for minitest. i want to have releases not a here is a single game and you get what i take. oh and if i say i want to fix one bug when
00:19 jojoa1997 i could wait a week and fixe 10 while adding more content and discovering more bugs then it is tough luck to them
00:20 hmmmm but yeah i'd definitely love a name change overall
00:20 hmmmm i mean when i tell people about "minetest" they give me a look
00:20 VanessaE jojoa1997, emptty:  the problem with using downloadable packages is that it makes it much more difficult for a server owner to keep their mods up-to-date.
00:20 VanessaE hmmmm: exactly.
00:21 jojoa1997 not really
00:21 hmmmm i am guessing celeron didn't have reservations about that name as we do because it doesn't have as much meaning in his native tounge
00:21 hmmmm and now it's too late
00:21 VanessaE hmmmm: well do recall that back before 0.4.0, it was all one package - the engine + game in one downloadable unit.
00:21 jojoa1997 it is all the same download
00:21 arsdragonfly we should change before it's much too late
00:22 jojoa1997 yes
00:22 kahrl_ Vanessa is a ninja today :)
00:22 VanessaE it isn't too late to rename the project, but it IS way too late to change the API.
00:22 VanessaE kahrl_: a term I stole from nekogloop :)
00:22 arsdragonfly You can use aliases anyway
00:22 emptty well, sed could help in any API renaming
00:22 VanessaE arsdragonfly: for API functions?
00:22 hmmmm no emptty
00:23 arsdragonfly yes
00:23 hmmmm minetest is the namespace used in lua
00:23 kahrl_ sapier wants to change all minetest.env: calls to minetest. calls
00:23 hmmmm we can't change it
00:23 ShadowNinja in builtin minetest = newname, compatability fixed :-)
00:23 hmmmm all of the modders would need to change their stuff
00:23 kahrl_ so why not change it to voxeld.
00:23 hmmmm oh
00:23 jojoa1997 POLL: We should rename Minetest to Jojoamine. 1) yes! 2)!!yes!! 3)!Y!E!S!
00:23 hmmmm hah
00:23 arsdragonfly 4
00:23 hmmmm shadowninja, good point
00:23 arsdragonfly lol
00:23 hmmmm so i guess it's not too bad to change the api
00:24 hmmmm i keep forgetting you can do nifty things like that in lua
00:24 hmmmm so kahrl, you say voxeld?
00:24 hmmmm and what do we call the client
00:24 hmmmm voxelc? :/
00:24 VanessaE nae, voxel-anything is too generic, and too technuical
00:24 VanessaE technical*
00:24 emptty voxelworld ?
00:24 VanessaE remember your average user
00:24 arsdragonfly openmine?
00:24 kahrl_ maybe we should hold a name contest
00:24 VanessaE OpenMine Engine
00:25 emptty openmine +1
00:25 VanessaE arsdragonfly is on the right track
00:25 VanessaE "The OpenMine Engine" or TOME
00:25 ShadowNinja Sounds good
00:25 hmmmm originally when i wanted to make a minecraft clone, the name i was going to do was OpenCraft
00:25 VanessaE BinGO!
00:25 VanessaE bingo, too
00:25 hmmmm but that's the name of a 3rd party minecraft server now
00:25 VanessaE OpenCraft?  well so that's out
00:25 hmmmm lol :(
00:25 hmmmm the early attempts at a minecraft clone
00:26 VanessaE so use arsdragonfly and my idea.
00:26 kahrl_ "open" or "free" is an important distinction to some
00:26 VanessaE TOME: The OpenMine Engine
00:26 hmmmm me and the guy i was working with, we actually believed that storing things in a sparse voxel octree would work
00:26 VanessaE kahrl_: agreed
00:26 hmmmm i'm glad that entire idea died fast
00:26 hmmmm erm yes
00:27 hmmmm when you have software prefixed with Open, that usually indicates that it conforms to some set of POSIX standards
00:27 hmmmm OpenSolaris, OpenIndiana, OpenBSD, OpenBSM, etc.
00:27 kahrl_ OpenOffice
00:27 hmmmm OpenSSH for that matter
00:27 emptty bigger project changed their name successfully, like openoffice -> libreoffice
00:27 hmmmm erm
00:27 VanessaE kahrl_: bad example :)
00:27 hmmmm that was a fork
00:27 hmmmm there's still openoffice
00:28 hmmmm i don't think we need to go as corny as "libre"
00:28 hmmmm i'd rather free
00:28 hmmmm FreeCraft?
00:28 VanessaE definitely not.
00:28 VanessaE naw
00:28 VanessaE too obvious
00:28 kahrl_ FreeCell. Oh wait
00:28 hmmmm which is the name of a clone of warcraft 2
00:28 hmmmm hah
00:29 hmmmm i wonder how fast i could make a decent starcraft clone
00:29 hmmmm knowing all i do about that damn game
00:29 VanessaE hmmmm: I have a friend back in Missouri who would love that :)
00:29 hmmmm and i don't even *do* games...
00:30 hmmmm yet i got sucked into the world of game development
00:30 emptty hmmmm: I didn't knew that openoffice still tried to survive, that's interesting
00:31 VanessaE emptty: yeah, at the hands of a corporation that can't get their heads out of their asses regarding trademarks.
00:32 hmmmm wow
00:32 VanessaE ?
00:32 hmmmm if this were 10 years ago and i did create a completely compatible free starcraft clone, i wonder what the public reaction would be
00:33 jojoa1997 Well just make a good name ok
00:34 hmmmm nowadays i can't do the same because i just don't have the same knowledge of their newer products
00:34 hmmmm and they're much more complex
00:34 VanessaE <Abe>  How about MineCluserfuck?  <Me>  Now, now, it isn't a clusterfuck yet, we're trying to prevent it from becoming one.
00:34 VanessaE heh
00:34 VanessaE (he was of course kidding)
00:34 hmmmm lol
00:34 arsdragonfly It's said that the name of Electronic Arts came after a day-long brainstorm
00:35 hmmmm EA is a good name but such a crap company
00:35 hmmmm basically all of their growth is artificial, through buying other companies
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00:36 kahrl_ maybe pick a name from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_deity ?
00:37 kahrl_ since the engine creates worlds...
00:37 hmmmm as VanessaE calls it, G*d
00:37 VanessaE Naw
00:37 VanessaE that might be seen as blasphemous by some.
00:37 kahrl_ ok, true
00:37 hmmmm we should call it Mohammed
00:38 Menche and running it from the commandline with an asterisk in it
00:38 VanessaE judging by the forum thread "Do you believe in God", there are a lot of religious folks in the community
00:38 Menche sandbox game that uses voxels = VoxBox?
00:38 VanessaE hmmmm: oh sure, and piss off 1/5 of the planet? :)
00:38 hmmmm well
00:38 kahrl_ I should read Offtopic sometimes
00:38 hmmmm i guess you're right
00:39 hmmmm we'd probably all get assassinated
00:39 VanessaE heh
00:39 VanessaE Jihadtest :)
00:39 hmmmm declare fatwa against minetest devs!
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00:39 VanessaE hey grog.
00:39 thefamilygrog66 hey V
00:40 thefamilygrog66 hey, I wanted to ask you what "lighting bug" the 3d forniture wall torch had
00:40 emptty Menche: I like the idea, but the resulting name is hard to pronounce, I think
00:40 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87451#p87451
00:40 VanessaE HAH!
00:40 VanessaE guess he couldn't leave :)
00:41 hmmmm hrmm
00:41 hmmmm vanessae, you should probably make a poll thread on this topic
00:41 thefamilygrog66 since I based my lava lamps on it...
00:41 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: When you punch the lamp, it would go:  Off, medium, bright, low, dim, off
00:42 VanessaE instead of off, dim, low, medium, bright, ogg
00:42 VanessaE off*
00:42 thefamilygrog66 oh, the table lamps - gotcha
00:42 thefamilygrog66 I noticed that as well
00:42 hmmmm so far, serious ideas for names are:  FreeVoxel, voxelc/voxeld, VoxBox, MT Voxel Content Engine, some others that i missed
00:42 thefamilygrog66 not the wall torch tho
00:42 VanessaE hmmmm: ok, gimme a few mins
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00:42 hmmmm definitely not "VoxelWorld" - that's insanely generic sounding and probably in use already
00:42 arsdragonfly openmine?
00:42 hmmmm oh yes
00:42 kahrl_ hmmmm: those all have voxel in them, which Vanessa said is too technical
00:43 hmmmm FreeMine, OpenMine
00:43 Menche how is voxel too technical?
00:43 VanessaE I'll plug in all of these names
00:43 hmmmm kahrl, we'll let the people decide
00:43 hmmmm !
00:43 hmmmm i don't think it is.
00:45 emptty VanessaE: I'd love to ear your arguments against releasing games on top of that engine
00:45 hmmmm but of course, minetest will remain the name of the main game
00:45 kahrl_ if there are many religious people in the userbase voxeld (with the daemon as logo) might not be a good idea
00:45 thefamilygrog66 what are you guys discussing?
00:45 hmmmm hah
00:45 kahrl_ there are quite a few christians who refuse to install FreeBSD based on the logo
00:45 hmmmm i remember that
00:45 Menche it doesn't even run as a daemon
00:45 hmmmm also it didn't look appealing for businesses
00:45 kahrl_ Menche: also true
00:46 hmmmm they recently changed the logo for freebsd to a spherical translucent thing with cones
00:46 Menche besides, that's probably way too generic
00:46 thefamilygrog66 the same folks who won't buy proctor and gamble products?
00:46 hmmmm lol^
00:47 VanessaE ok, I've got FreeVoxel, voxelc/voxeld, VoxBox, MT Voxel Content Engine, The FreeMine Engine, The OpenMine Engine
00:47 VanessaE any others?
00:47 thefamilygrog66 the devil's shampoo!
00:47 emptty well, the freebsd logo didn't change on their web page (yet)
00:47 hmmmm what about FreeMine and OpenMine without the "the" and "engine"?
00:47 VanessaE sure
00:48 VanessaE as options in addition to with "the/engine"
00:48 VanessaE ?
00:48 hmmmm yeah
00:48 VanessaE ok, got those
00:48 hmmmm VoxBox sounds good but i don't think that one will work out in the end
00:48 Menche open a forum thread asking for ideas? and that way people couldn't complain about it being done in secret
00:48 hmmmm people might confuse it for some sort of voice-processing software
00:48 VanessaE how about NodeBuilder?
00:48 hmmmm i mean, "vox"
00:48 hmmmm NodeBuilder?  yuuuck!
00:49 VanessaE lol
00:49 hmmmm throw it in anyway
00:49 arsdragonfly FreeNode!
00:49 arsdragonfly lol
00:49 emptty :)
00:49 VanessaE arsdragonfly: haha
00:49 thefamilygrog66 did someone design a nodebox designer?!
00:49 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: yes
00:49 VanessaE rubenwardy did
00:49 VanessaE I think
00:49 hmmmm aa
00:49 thefamilygrog66 with textures as well?
00:49 VanessaE hmmmm: 30 days for the run time of the poll
00:49 VanessaE ?
00:49 hmmmm sounds good
00:50 hmmmm anyway, a name change is also a good opportunity to change the versioning scheme if we'd like
00:50 thefamilygrog66 NodeBoxer
00:50 VanessaE shit
00:50 hmmmm for example, when SunOS went to Solaris
00:50 hmmmm they started using the minor version number as the major
00:50 VanessaE I have to drop two options from the list - there's a limit of 7 options.
00:50 hmmmm :/
00:51 hmmmm what an arbitrary number
00:51 Menche find another poll website?
00:51 thefamilygrog66 can it import 3D models from Blender, etc.?
00:51 hmmmm well i think the one-vote-only idea is pretty crappy anyway
00:51 kahrl_ I don't think 'node' should be in the name
00:51 VanessaE I'll put it on strawpoll.me
00:51 hmmmm we should have people rate from a number of 1 to 9 which name they'd like the best
00:51 hmmmm and then we add all the values up
00:51 kahrl_ the term is only relevant to modders
00:52 thefamilygrog66 who else will be using it, kahrl_?
00:52 hmmmm that's a kind of voting system somewhere in europe but i don't recall which country does that
00:52 kahrl_ thefamilygrog66: anyone who wants to play the game
00:52 hmmmm hmm
00:52 thefamilygrog66 I'm confused.
00:52 hmmmm for some reason i don't feel like celeron would get too upset over this name change
00:53 Menche or do a poll the way the archlinux forums do it
00:53 VanessaE http://strawpoll.me/32805
00:53 VanessaE how's that look>
00:53 thexyz wait, are you seriously going to rename minetest?
00:53 VanessaE ?
00:53 hmmmm yes
00:54 Menche people copy the list and increment numbers before each item, or add a new item
00:54 arsdragonfly VanessaE :cant' log on to the website
00:54 hmmmm people conflate the core with the game way too much
00:54 arsdragonfly :(
00:54 kahrl_ is there a version of the ambience mod that works outside the game?
00:54 VanessaE I'll put the bulk of the descriptive text into the forum post that will link to it.
00:54 kahrl_ I like the night noises, so soothing
00:54 VanessaE arsdragonfly: you shouldn't need to log in.
00:54 thexyz so the core will has new name while the game will remain "Minetest", right?
00:54 VanessaE thexyz: yeash
00:54 VanessaE yeah
00:54 VanessaE damn, my typing sucks
00:54 arsdragonfly VanessaE : well I can't open the web page
00:55 VanessaE arsdragonfly: golden shield is blocking you then
00:55 VanessaE The Great Firewall of China.
00:55 VanessaE meh
00:55 arsdragonfly yes
00:55 hmmmm VanessaE, actually could you add "OpenMiner" and change MT Voxel Content Engine to MT Voxel Engine or "mtve" for short?
00:55 arsdragonfly wow
00:55 arsdragonfly how do u know that :)
00:55 VanessaE sure, hold
00:55 thexyz VanessaE: how about adding an option to leave the old name?
00:55 hmmmm oh wow
00:55 VanessaE arsdragonfly: most of the western world knows about it
00:55 hmmmm arsdragonfly is chatting from the PRC?!
00:55 arsdragonfly yes
00:56 arsdragonfly surprising huh?
00:56 kahrl_ now that the engine does bone animations, how about... FreeBoner
00:56 hmmmm lol^
00:56 kahrl_ I'm sorry I will shut up now
00:56 thefamilygrog66 errr
00:56 * jojoa1997 scrolling back
00:57 VanessaE I feel the need to add a joke option also, e.g. some CowboyNeal-esque answer but pointed at c55 :)
00:57 VanessaE thexyz: I'll add that, also made hmmmm's changes.  it'll be a new URL though.
00:58 jojoa1997 so what has been decided?
00:58 * Menche predicts that 46 polls will be made as people want new additions/changes to the list
00:58 kahrl_ jojoa1997: to make a forum thread
00:59 VanessaE hmmmm:  http://strawpoll.me/32807
00:59 hmmmm hmm
00:59 hmmmm i'm not even sure which to vote for
00:59 VanessaE jojoa1997: no decision has been reached, we're composing a poll.
00:59 Menche on the archlinux forums, a poll is done by each voter copying the list of options and upping the number in front of their choice, or adding a new item
01:00 Menche that way, people can add new options they want
01:00 emptty what about running a poll to decide how we run the poll?
01:00 VanessaE Shall I post this, or do we want to make more revisions?
01:00 Menche lol
01:01 emptty srly, I think that Menche proposal is good, as everybody will want to add items to the list
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01:01 kahrl_ you need to say that whatever the poll outcome is, it won't be binding
01:01 kahrl_ celeron can veto it, in any case
01:01 VanessaE emptty, Menche: well others can always write-in other options via the forum.
01:01 Menche the problem is, mods would have to watch the list to make sure people don't add 5 votes, vote twice, edit other votes
01:01 thexyz kahrl_: i'm pretty sure he will
01:02 VanessaE Menche: IP matching is turned on, should help keep the ballot stuffers at bay.
01:02 Menche so, we have been sitting here for a while quibbling over changing the name, i've been wondering; who is *really* in charge of this?
01:03 hmmmm everyone and noone
01:03 Menche the problem with a "community driven" project: who makes the final decisions
01:04 hmmmm celeron wants to be "just the guy who maintains the website and updates some repositories"
01:04 Menche let's have a shouting match!
01:04 Menche WHOEVER USES THE MOST CAPS WINS
01:04 hmmmm but he's the only person we really allow to make new developers, it's sort of a self-understood rule
01:05 hmmmm i don't know.  he'd probably deny wanting to be that person if he were asked
01:05 kahrl_ problem with VoxBox: http://www.voxbox.net/ is taken
01:05 Menche ah
01:05 Menche besides, it could be shortened to vbox and confused with virtualization software
01:06 kahrl_ mtve.net also taken
01:06 Menche being confused with virtualization software would be a problem until someone implements the x86 instruction set in mesecons
01:06 emptty good luck with that!
01:06 kahrl_ lol
01:07 kahrl_ fucking domain parkes
01:07 kahrl_ parkers*
01:07 hmmmm kahrl, which one are you thinking?
01:07 kahrl_ most of them
01:07 hmmmm FreeMine really sounds the best
01:07 VanessaE hmmmm, others:  http://pastebin.com/LL7PpZ3u
01:07 emptty ok, I should sleep since a few hours already. Thanks to all for being such an interesting community, and see you then
01:08 jojoa1997 back
01:08 kahrl_ openmine.net is also parked
01:08 hmmmm sounds good
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01:08 hmmmm well hold on a minute, why do we have to be a .net?  we're an organization
01:09 Menche minetest.org is already taken?
01:09 kahrl_ freemine.net is registered but doesn't respond
01:09 hmmmm it apparently is
01:09 kahrl_ hmmmm: I was trying .net because minetest.net
01:10 thexyz Menche: yes, OldCoder owns it
01:10 hmmmm i'd say either .net or .org works
01:10 ShadowNinja openmine.org is used my MineCraft fans
01:10 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87462
01:10 thefamilygrog66 speaking of .net, why is there also a minetest.com site?
01:10 ShadowNinja freemine.org is blank
01:11 jojoa1997 um
01:11 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: minetest.com is run by someone else, and is basically dead.
01:11 Menche saxony
01:11 jojoa1997 why do we have to change the website name?
01:11 kahrl_ ShadowNinja: nope, it's registered but doesn't respond
01:11 jojoa1997 it is like we are making a new game
01:11 jojoa1997 imagine someone updateing and seeing oh well we are not here anymore
01:11 kahrl_ is parked*
01:11 jojoa1997 i say keep all the websites
01:12 VanessaE jojoa1997: so minetest.net could just redirect to the new domain, if we did such a thing
01:12 VanessaE quite trivial to do.
01:12 Menche minetest -> minedone
01:12 jojoa1997 yeahj but i like all my bookmarks
01:12 kahrl_ I would say keep minetest.net the main site
01:12 kahrl_ redirect from whatever.org/net to a subpage of minetest.net for the engine
01:14 jojoa1997 karhl_ +∞
01:14 hmmmm you can't add infinity
01:14 jojoa1997 oh yeah
01:14 kahrl_ you can
01:14 jojoa1997 local x=1
01:14 jojoa1997 function
01:14 kahrl_ at least we did in analysis 3 class
01:14 * Menche hates it when people respond with just +/-[number]
01:15 jojoa1997 x=x^2
01:15 kahrl_ subtract infinity from infinity, however
01:15 jojoa1997 function
01:15 jojoa1997 end
01:15 OldCoder Hi
01:15 jojoa1997 boom infinity
01:15 jojoa1997 Menche
01:15 jojoa1997 Menche
01:15 jojoa1997 +
01:15 hmmmm the only circumstance in which arithmetic with infinity is defined is 1/inf, and that's only when you're talking about the extended complex plane
01:15 jojoa1997 -
01:15 jojoa1997 1
01:15 kahrl_ hmmmm: I'm talking about measures
01:16 VanessaE hm, the pie graph strawpoll.me creates from the results needs work
01:16 hmmmm just like a more general measure theory class?
01:16 kahrl_ yeah
01:16 hmmmm why would you be doing arithmetic with infinity there
01:16 Menche so we've gone from discussing a name change, to polling systems, to the concept of infinity
01:17 hmmmm not the concept of infinity, technical details about the usage of infinity in arithmetic
01:17 kahrl_ hmmmm: defining the addtivity of measures without having to make restrictions
01:17 VanessaE Menche: all in a day's chat, like usual :_)
01:17 VanessaE :)
01:17 hmmmm well it's all good as long as you've defined it
01:17 Menche #minetest: where we discuss life, the universe, everything, and the kitchen sink
01:17 hmmmm i'm not sure if that's universally accepted as the notation though
01:17 hmmmm but then again, i am not an analyst
01:18 hmmmm the furthest i've gone is one semester of real analysis and a semester of complex analysis
01:18 kahrl_ we also defined 0*∞ = 0
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01:18 Dogzilla131 Hi
01:19 Menche hi
01:19 arsdragonfly well there's something interesting here
01:19 arsdragonfly guess what are these websites about?
01:19 arsdragonfly mcbbs.net and mcbbs.org
01:19 hmmmm minecraft builiten board system?
01:20 Menche that was my guess
01:20 hmmmm ah
01:20 hmmmm looks like a chinese minecraft forum
01:20 arsdragonfly the 1st one is a minecraft forum and the 2nd is a website where ppl share their affairs :)
01:20 hmmmm and same with mtbbs.net as well
01:20 arsdragonfly mcbbs.net and mtbbs.net are both chinese :)
01:20 hmmmm woah
01:20 hmmmm mcbbs.org crashed firefox
01:20 hmmmm uh oh
01:21 hmmmm weird.... probably a known issue anyway
01:22 hmmmm i am using firefox 16.0.1 and i refuse to update anymore
01:22 hmmmm it's gone to crap
01:22 jojoa1997 http://strawpoll.me/32815
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01:22 Menche with firefox's version numbers, 16 is pretty much the same as 20 anyway
01:23 VanessaE damn it, I hate this social media crap - whatever happened to the concept of sending a plain old email?
01:23 hmmmm in 20, they screwed up the configuration UI
01:23 hmmmm and they added some facebook buttons
01:23 hmmmm horrible
01:23 jojoa1997 vote now
01:24 * Menche proposes "i agree" and "i disagree" to replace "+#" and "-#"
01:24 * arsdragonfly has to use VPN to vote
01:24 arsdragonfly or to visit youtube
01:25 ShadowNinja s/i (aggree)|(disagree)/I \1\.
01:25 hmmmm is talking about circumvention like that not against your laws?
01:27 arsdragonfly chmod 664 the-laws-in-china
01:27 arsdragonfly lol
01:28 hmmmm it's the same in most countries
01:28 hmmmm the US isn't this shining beacon of freedom, you can't change anything and that pisses me off
01:29 hmmmm i like freedom, so i guess that's why one of the first things i did was make the mapgen configurable
01:29 hmmmm options are always great
01:30 thefamilygrog66 encryption is freedom. or something.
01:30 hmmmm freedom of what though.. freedom to observe and discuss, but never to change
01:31 jojoa1997 bx.freedom.org
01:31 hmmmm not found
01:31 thefamilygrog66 proprietary software is murder.
01:31 jojoa1997 oops wrong link
01:31 hmmmm haha
01:31 jojoa1997 www.troll.com
01:31 hmmmm i don't think that guy was trolling
01:32 thefamilygrog66 sorry, I'm just being an ass.
01:32 hmmmm i've met people like that guy before
01:32 Menche uh, troll.com redirects to scholastic books?
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01:33 jojoa1997 trolololololoololoolololololololololololllolololololololololololololololololoolololololololooloololololollollolllololololoololooloolololollolololol
01:33 thefamilygrog66 my daughter is playing minecraft, oh well.
01:33 * jojoa1997 sorry i had to
01:33 Menche heretic.
01:33 thefamilygrog66 haha
01:33 jojoa1997 ?
01:33 NakedFury traitor. bring her over to the free side
01:34 jojoa1997 what happened while i left for 10 seconds
01:34 NakedFury everything
01:34 Menche lol. i play minecraft sometimes
01:34 jojoa1997 So there is the cookie side and the free side
01:34 jojoa1997 I play minecraft alot
01:34 thefamilygrog66 she prefers it
01:34 * jojoa1997 = tnt and adventure maps dude
01:34 jojoa1997 so do i but i prefer both
01:34 NakedFury I have been playing some minecraft too. specificaly MineZ
01:35 jojoa1997 minecraft has great survival but minetest has great abilities
01:35 thefamilygrog66 I like tweaking things, and minetest allows me to do that more easily
01:37 thefamilygrog66 it also doesn't crash my laptop as frequently
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01:42 jojoa1997 :/
01:42 * jojoa1997 wasnt pinged
01:42 VanessaE jojoa1997: ping.
01:43 jojoa1997 VanessaE: polo.
01:43 VanessaE heh
01:44 jojoa1997 VanessaE: marco.
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01:45 Kacey http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
01:45 VanessaE heh
01:47 Kacey seems legit... seriously
01:47 ShadowNinja Looks legit ;-)
01:49 kahrl_ The sad thing is that I could actually picture Apple selling more RAM in their app store
01:49 bcnjr5 lol
01:49 Menche could definitely see them blocking part of the RAM and requiring payments to access it
01:50 bcnjr5 more lols
01:50 Menche apparently you have to pay extra to share a data connection over wifi? or at least need the plan to "support" it?
01:50 thefamilygrog66 nice
01:50 khonkhortisan I clicked download, rightclicked to view source, and as I rightclick, I get a javascript alert that says the download is complete, which has paused the bar.
01:51 khonkhortisan Clicking the download bar brings the popup back, reloading restarts the download
01:51 khonkhortisan They really shouldn't've used onclick
01:51 * Menche downloads 4g of RAM 500 times
01:51 * Menche 's harddisk is full of RAM
01:51 Menche lol
01:51 thefamilygrog66 http://lifehacker.com/mac-vs-windows-your-best-arguments-486125257?rev=1367364583
01:51 khonkhortisan I need to download 16 and upload 2
01:52 khonkhortisan Mac is bad because I can't run it in a vm
01:52 Menche apple makes me run windows
01:52 khonkhortisan I need to enable VT-x/AMD-V in my BIOS
01:53 Menche the only reason i have windows anymore is for itunes
01:53 jojoa1997 !up redcrab.suret.net
01:53 MinetestBot redcrab.suret.net:30000 is up (0.313ms)
01:53 jojoa1997 !up redcrab.suret.net:30401
01:53 MinetestBot jojoa1997: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
01:53 jojoa1997 !up redcrab.suret.net 30401
01:53 MinetestBot redcrab.suret.net:30401 is up (0.197ms)
01:54 VanessaE sfan5|OFF: can you please make that bot stop warning of the "bad" syntax?
01:55 jojoa1997 maybe allow the bot to take server:port
01:57 Menche how does the forum decide which topics have new posts? it tried to tell me that there was a new post in a topic where the last post was mine.
01:58 Exio i play MC a lot - as "play" with MT code :P
02:00 VanessaE Menche: maybe editing a post marks it as "new"?
02:01 jojoa1997 oh cool
02:01 * jojoa1997 makes dye in minitest
02:02 * jojoa1997 is tired
02:02 jojoa1997 good night all
02:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: did you update your copies of unified dyes and homedecor btw?
02:02 jojoa1997 yes!!!
02:02 VanessaE they've been fixed to work with default dyes/flowers now.
02:02 VanessaE ok, good.
02:02 jojoa1997 night all
02:02 VanessaE night
02:02 VanessaE lazy ass ;)
02:02 jojoa1997 WTF!!!
02:03 jojoa1997 I AM NO **** ***
02:03 VanessaE kidding :D
02:03 jojoa1997 * ** ** **** ***
02:03 jojoa1997 cye ;-)
02:03 jojoa1997 *cya
02:03 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: reload Minetest
02:04 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
02:04 ShadowNinja !up 67.241.154.164:30000
02:04 MinetestBot ShadowNinja: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
02:04 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 67.241.154.164:30000:30000 seems to be down
02:04 VanessaE heh
02:04 ShadowNinja Right, I have to prefix ShadowBot
02:06 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: reload Minetest
02:06 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
02:06 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: up 67.241.154.164:30000
02:07 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 67.241.154.164:30000 is up (0.102ms)
02:07 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: up 67.241.154.164:30001
02:07 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 67.241.154.164:30001 seems to be down
02:07 ShadowNinja There, but you can't use it because MinetestBot is around :-(
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02:51 bcnjr5 oh great...
02:51 VanessaE what?
02:52 bcnjr5 LandMine just pmed me.
02:52 VanessaE (holy crap, homedecor has 128 unique nodes now?  Damn.)
02:52 VanessaE ignore him
02:52 ShadowNinja /ignore
02:52 bcnjr5 I did.
02:53 ShadowNinja Well if he comes here ShadowBot will be ready, hopefully a ban on the first message.
02:53 VanessaE ignore him again anyway :)
02:53 bcnjr5 I know.
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03:58 arsdragonfly VanessaE : www.stormboard.com
03:59 arsdragonfly check it out
03:59 VanessaE what do I need this for?
03:59 arsdragonfly we need an interactive brainstorm since everyone might has his/her own idea
04:00 VanessaE oh.
04:00 VanessaE eh, IRC and forums are good enough :)
04:00 arsdragonfly a poll is not enough
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04:00 khonkhortisan All the websites that require email verification should just all talk to each other so I can just verify my email once
04:01 [0gb_us] khonkhortisan: THat's called OpenID.
04:02 khonkhortisan Can I deduplicate my openids?
04:02 VanessaE [0gb_us]: I pushed more updates to homedecor and unified dyes early this morn right after you left.  YOu may want to look into the,
04:02 VanessaE them*
04:02 VanessaE khonkhortisan: only if you run ZFS ;)
04:02 [0gb_us] Duplicate? I don't think so.
04:02 khonkhortisan if I log in with google, then with flickr it might think I'm someone else
04:02 khonkhortisan no, merge
04:03 [0gb_us] Oh, merge. No, I don't think so.
04:03 [0gb_us] Okay, I'll look at home decor tomorrow.
04:04 VanessaE ok
04:04 * [0gb_us] is tired, but waiting for advice on #xfce
04:07 * [0gb_us] may fall asleep soon though
04:07 VanessaE what advice?
04:08 [0gb_us] I don't know what to install. Xubuntu or Linux Mine XFCE edition.
04:08 [0gb_us] *Mint
04:08 VanessaE are you running base ubuntu"
04:08 VanessaE ?
04:08 VanessaE oh wait
04:08 VanessaE I see what you meant
04:08 VanessaE eh, both will be roughly the same I guess
04:08 VanessaE I run Xubuntu (13.04)
04:09 VanessaE mint probably just has a different revision of xfce or different graphics and such, but under the hood it's going to be about the same for either one.
04:10 [0gb_us] THat's why it's so hard to choose. THey are so similar. THere doesn't seem to be a good reason to choose one over the other.
04:11 [0gb_us] If no one has a convincing argument, I'll likely use Xubuntu (12.04) as it's already installed from yesterday.
04:12 VanessaE stick to 12.04 for now
04:12 [0gb_us] I installed it before I knew there was and XFCE edition of Mint.
04:12 VanessaE wait till 14.04 is out before you start considering changing
04:12 VanessaE (13.04 didn't get as much polish as it needed)
04:12 khonkhortisan I can't really use youtube because I attempted to change my email, and gmail accounts are google accounts are youtube accounts.
04:12 [0gb_us] I prefer LTS anyway.
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04:14 [0gb_us] I might put Mine XFCE on the other computer, and leave Xubuntu on this one. But using two different systems might be kind of silly.
04:15 [0gb_us] They have different repositories, but that's about it.
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04:17 khonkhortisan stormboard reminds me of prezi
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06:30 ShadowNinja sfan5: I changed the format of searching for my bot, for example ,,(server --ping ">0.200" --ping "<0.500" --players !0)
06:30 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Public Minetestserver | minetestserver.us.to | Clients: 1/6 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.250
06:31 ShadowNinja It allows multiple searches, even on the same value
06:32 VanessaE FROM table SELECT ALL DROP...  or some other shit :)
06:33 VanessaE (I can never remember the right form of that silly old meme)
06:33 sfan5 DROP TABLE *; usally does it
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07:03 MinetestBot sfan5: Spanish Server | 198.211.125.161 | Clients: 0/50 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.120
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07:14 MinetestBot sfan5: NotObamaland | zenoheld.minetest.net | Clients: 1/100 | Version: 0.4.6 zenophobe | ping: 0.337
07:14 sfan5 !server
07:14 MinetestBot sfan5: ShadowNinja's server | 67.241.154.164 | Clients: 0/100 | Version: 0.4.6 build | ping: 0.222
07:15 john_minetest !up minetest.org 30015
07:15 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 seems to be down
07:15 john_minetest That's why I can't reach it...
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07:25 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload server
07:25 MinetestBot sfan5: <module 'server' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py'> (version: 2013-05-01 07:26:42)
07:26 sfan5 !server ping:>0.2 ping:<0.5 players:!0
07:26 MinetestBot sfan5: No results
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07:27 sfan5 !server ping:<0.1 random
07:27 MinetestBot sfan5: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com | Clients: 4/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.216
07:27 sfan5 !server ping:<0.1 random
07:27 MinetestBot sfan5: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com | Clients: 4/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.216
07:27 sfan5 !server ping:<0.1 random
07:27 MinetestBot sfan5: 0gb.us's simple server | 0gb.us | Clients: 4/100 | Version: 0.4.6 0gb.us | ping: 0.287
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07:28 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest❤Ru | minetest.ru | Clients: 3/100 | Version: 0.4.5 | ping: 0.097
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07:28 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest❤Ru | minetest.ru | Clients: 3/100 | Version: 0.4.5 | ping: 0.097
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07:58 celeron55 all the names in the poll suck
07:58 celeron55 they're so unimaginative it's ridiculous
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07:59 VanessaE got something better?  let's hear it.  Otherwise hush.
07:59 VanessaE :)
07:59 VanessaE webdesigner97: how goes the streets mod rewrite/upgrade?
08:00 celeron55 why not some short related word, tweaked a bit? like vixel or myne or something like that
08:00 VanessaE dunno.  Maybe no one thought such names would be interesting?
08:00 celeron55 it's hard to make easily remembered names from actual common words; it's not like anyone making a comapny or anything would use then ame "voxel" or "mine" in a name
08:01 celeron55 the name*
08:01 celeron55 the word*
08:01 VanessaE besides, this discussion was more a matter not of being imaginative, or of being interesting, but of being different enough to distance the engine from the game content and avoid confusion.
08:01 VanessaE (while also avoiding minecraft-related references if it could have been helped)
08:02 celeron55 but this gives us an opportunity to actually be original instead of being seen as some purely technical folks who can't make up good names (well, maybe you are, but i am not)
08:02 kaeza FreeNode?
08:02 kaeza :D
08:02 john_minetest which poll?
08:02 VanessaE kaeza: too late, someone beat you to that one
08:02 arsdragonfly +1 for freenode
08:02 VanessaE john_minetest:  http://strawpoll.me/32807
08:03 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5800
08:03 VanessaE there's the forum thread for it.
08:03 celeron55 seriously, none of those names are interesting at all; all of them are way more repugnant than minetest
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08:04 VanessaE at least none of them imply the engine is still a "test" :)
08:06 john_minetest so mesetint was the name for the engine for some time?
08:07 VanessaE for a while I guess, yeah
08:07 celeron55 that was the name of the main game for a very short time
08:07 VanessaE bbl, time for bed.
08:07 john_minetest I like this name. Could stand for: "minetest's extremely smart engine, the incredibly nice thing"
08:07 celeron55 of course we could name the engine that; it's better than any of the names in the poll for sure
08:07 john_minetest yeah.
08:08 arsdragonfly start a brainstorm
08:08 celeron55 i'm actually surprised how bad these people are at naming things
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08:08 arsdragonfly www.stormboard.com
08:09 rotor112 !up minetest.org 30015
08:09 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 seems to be down
08:10 john_minetest normally i use an online random name generator for project names. There are a lot of cool random names.
08:10 rotor112 !up minetest.org 30016
08:10 MinetestBot minetest.org:30016 is up (0.409ms)
08:10 celeron55 (but i mean, mese is pretty much the only original (named) game content in minetest, so basing a name on that is almost fool-proof)
08:10 celeron55 (the only problem with that is that it's a bit nontrivial to pronounce in some languages)
08:12 john_minetest I think because voice communication is quite seldom in OSS projects, this doesn't matter so much.
08:13 john_minetest As long as the name contains latin letters, most people can write it.
08:13 celeron55 i base my project names on pretty much anything; minetest is probably the least imaginative one ever :P
08:13 celeron55 too bad it got popular
08:13 john_minetest lol
08:15 jin_xi hmm, i think there is a real need for a drama section in the forum...
08:17 celeron55 the forum is minetest's drama section
08:18 jin_xi quite
08:20 john_minetest In the beginning the discussions are on a high level, then they fall down. Fall-height, a classic element in the drama. The higher the fall height, the more dramatic the end. ;)
08:20 john_minetest </school_mode>
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08:23 MinetestBot wq7Ci2jCr112
08:23 rotor112 why doesn't it show my name?
08:23 kaeza-phone yay works
08:24 kaeza !b64d ®‹h¯]v
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08:24 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/user/mtbot/bot.py", line 188, in <lambda>)
08:25 kaeza derp
08:25 rotor112 !b64d Vmtaa2MyUldjRmxWYlhocVRURkdidz09
08:25 MinetestBot VkZkc2RWcFlVbXhqTTFGbw==
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08:26 rotor112 where's OldCoder?
08:26 john_minetest Hmmm... "mesetint extremely smart engine, the incredibly nice thoftware-project"
08:27 john_minetest I'm so creative xD
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08:28 rotor112 !b16d 33343434333633393336343533363335333733343336333533373333333733343332331
08:28 MinetestBot rotor112: Odd-length string
08:29 jin_xi hey stop it
08:29 rotor112 !b16d 333434343336333933363435333633353337333433363335333733333337333433323331
08:29 MinetestBot 344436393645363537343635373337343231
08:29 rotor112 ok
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08:38 sfan5 !b16d sfan5
08:38 MinetestBot sfan5: Non-base16 digit found
08:38 sfan5 !b64d sfan5
08:38 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/user/mtbot/bot.py", line 188, in <lambda>)
08:38 sfan5 :/
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08:42 Stcrafts hello
08:42 arsdragonfly hi
08:42 Stcrafts Yooo
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08:51 celeron55 fired up like million thesaurus pages and tried to make as many short and unique names as possible: https://gist.github.com/celeron55/5494364
08:52 sfan5 Line 22...  :D
08:53 sfan5 what i think when i see mesemake: "$ stat Mesefile  $ mesemake"
08:54 john_minetest What I normally use to get project names: http://www.fourteenminutes.com/fun/words/
08:54 celeron55 if i started a new project to be what minetest is now, i'd maybe use derpxel or buildat or minegap 8)
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08:56 celeron55 http://c55.me/random/2013-05/tscrot-2013-05-01_11-56-13.png
08:58 john_minetest lol: celerengine
08:58 celeron55 perttubox
08:59 john_minetest Maybe interesting: http://www.fourteenminutes.com/fun/words/index.cgi?start=mese and http://www.fourteenminutes.com/fun/words/index.cgi?start=mine
08:59 celeron55 meseption
09:01 john_minetest mesephoseckeepcharve
09:01 john_minetest ^ That's what the random word generator said.
09:06 sfan5 i want git to apply this patch, but git apply says "unregognized input": https://gist.github.com/sfan5/5494405
09:09 RealBadAngel what about something with "node" in it?
09:09 RealBadAngel like Nodea for example
09:15 celeron55 the allowance of such depends on whether the name is made for coders vs. users
09:15 celeron55 it was discussed previously (some 6 hours ago)
09:15 jin_xi squarepuncher?
09:16 celeron55 (i find it funny that such name discussion occurs at the time when americans are at their evening
09:16 celeron55 )
09:16 celeron55 it seems "test" somehow suits those people very badly
09:17 celeron55 everyone else is okay with it 8)
09:18 celeron55 maybe we should market minetest in the US as minegreat
09:18 jin_xi lol
09:18 celeron55 or minebig
09:18 celeron55 minemoney
09:18 celeron55 mineoil
09:18 john_minetest then say that "test" is spoken as "taste". Mine-Taste. They should be satisfied with this.
09:19 celeron55 minetaste? that's a good name
09:19 * celeron55 adds to list
09:20 john_minetest lol
09:20 celeron55 well, actualy it's not really that good, it's too similar
09:20 celeron55 the point of a different name is to... well, be different
09:21 sfan5 why was j4i quited?
09:21 sfan5 *muted
09:21 thexyz insults
09:22 thexyz http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-05-01#i_3060967
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09:24 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload chop
09:24 MinetestBot sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-05-01 09:25:52)
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09:41 kaeza #if 0 // CURL IS BEING DUMB
09:41 kaeza nope: http://dumb.sourceforge.net/
09:47 celeron55 that's one of the best names for software
09:53 sfan5 kaeza: how comes that you look at my gists
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10:01 kaeza <onpon4> I left the OpenPandora community some time ago because I got fed up with that community's tendency to endorse nonfree software and snap back when I disagreed, but I didn't make a topic saying "I'm leaving, you horrible nonfree software apologist heathens!" I just left.
10:02 kaeza are we going to start with this again?
10:02 onpon4 kaeza: No. Why?
10:03 kaeza onpon4, well, you seem to have some inconsistency in what you say and what you do.
10:04 onpon4 kaeza: What's that?
10:08 onpon4 kaeza: It's an honest question. You just posted a quote out of its original context where I was criticizing people for making "Goodbye" topics. "are we going to start with this again?" suggests to me that you think I'm trying to push the ideals of free software. That's not an example of that.
10:15 john_minetest onpon4: imo leaving a project without saying "goodbye" is bad style. Before leaving you should first discuss this issue, if it won't help, write that you are leaving because of this. If you leave without giving a reason they will never learn what they did wrong.
10:21 onpon4 john_minetest: I disagree, and here's why: if you're leaving an entire community, there are two possibilities I can think of: either there is a deep reason that simply cannot be corrected, or you're throwing a fit. If it's just a problem you have with the game, you discuss the problem directly and see if others agree with you, and if not, you either do it yourself or give up.
10:25 celeron55 i agree that leaving and discussing about issues should not be done at the same time
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10:25 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:25 celeron55 discuss issues if there seems to be a chance for correcting them, and then look a while if something happens, and then just leave silently
10:25 celeron55 (if nothing does happen)
10:26 john_minetest Hmmm... true.
10:26 celeron55 (look a while, or try to do something fo a while)
10:26 celeron55 for*
10:26 onpon4 And since Minetest is free, you even have option 2: do it yourself.
10:26 onpon4 (As opposed to leaving, that is.)
10:27 celeron55 well, discussing and doing should really be done at the same time
10:28 iqualfragile hi PilzAdam
10:28 celeron55 (doing things gives the most knowlegde)
10:29 PilzAdam lol, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/691
10:30 sfan5 what so funny about that?
10:30 john_minetest In open source project losing members hurts. Maybe they will learn that they should be less ignorant if they know that they have done something wrong. Maybe not. Could be worth a try. But it always depends on the community. I don't know the community you were in, so I think I can't evaluate this. As base for the discussions I took the communities I know.
10:31 iqualfragile oh dear, that might break merges
10:34 jin_xi here is something i wonder: wouldnt it be possible to write a script that generates a new commit in a new repo b from every diff between commits in repo a, running some code sanitizer before committing to b?
10:34 sfan5 jin_xi: yes
10:35 jin_xi so you could fix whitespace and such automatically preserving history and avoiding merge conflicts
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11:45 * jojoa1997 grugedly morning all
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11:52 john_minetest hi jojoa1997
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11:56 all hi jojoa1997
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12:03 jojoa1997 HI!
12:17 Calinou aww
12:17 * Calinou on sky hard core, guy comes near me, me logs off
12:17 Calinou now the guy knows exactly where i am and just has to dig below my feet
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12:17 rotor112 how can I use the default flowers mod?
12:19 rotor112 I'm using common, type /mods and doesn't get the flowers
12:19 Calinou logic award: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87570#p87570
12:21 jojoa1997 Calinouy shu up about minecraft tools i just started playing
12:21 jojoa1997 *shut
12:21 rotor112 so why can't I see flowers?
12:22 rotor112 of course I'm using the newest minetest common
12:22 jojoa1997 are you using the newest minetest_game
12:22 rotor112 yes
12:22 rotor112 why?
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12:22 jojoa1997 have you searched in new areas?
12:22 Exio minetest_game doesn't have flowers
12:22 Exio you'll need to use build or survival
12:23 jojoa1997 WHAT?!?!?!?
12:23 jojoa1997 that is stupid
12:23 rotor112 I typed /mods
12:23 rotor112 and flowers aren't showed
12:23 Exio jojoa1997: blame PilzAdam 8)
12:24 rotor112 games/common/flowers/init.lua
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12:25 rotor112 why?
12:25 * jojoa1997 attacks PilzAdam
12:25 Exio if you want flowers in MT_game, add "flowers" to the end of common_mods in the game.conf (games/minetest_game/game.conf)
12:26 rotor112 flowers are a part of common
12:26 rotor112 so...
12:26 Exio so what?
12:27 sfan5 rotor112: not any game inheirts all mods from common
12:27 sfan5 *all games
12:27 kaeza inherits*
12:27 kaeza :P
12:27 sfan5 *inheirt
12:27 rotor112 I can't find game.conf
12:27 kaeza hey sfan
12:27 sfan5 hi
12:28 jojoa1997 hiu gusy
12:28 jojoa1997 hu gyus
12:29 jojoa1997 hi giys
12:29 * jojoa1997 grrrr
12:29 jojoa1997 hi guys
12:29 Calinou jojoa1997: ö_ö well, you were still incorrect :P
12:29 Calinou about minecraft tools
12:30 jojoa1997 so what i still am right about how i am king of all things
12:30 rotor112 I found it
12:30 rotor112 it should be default
12:34 jojoa1997 bbs
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12:40 jojoa1997 HI ALL
12:41 celeron55 "Weeks of programming can save you hours of planning"
12:41 PilzAdam spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5808
12:41 PilzAdam celeron55, I suggest to delete all the "Goodbye" topics
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12:42 celeron55 i'm starting to understand why companies spend so much money on PR departments
12:42 PilzAdam and add a rule somwhere that disallowrs "goodybe" topics
12:43 PilzAdam *disallows
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12:44 celeron55 i think i won't
12:44 celeron55 i'm not sure what to do with these; they often contain useful information but they clutter the place
12:44 celeron55 maybe make a section "goodbye threads"? 8D
12:45 PilzAdam or move to offtopic
12:45 BlockMen PilzAdam, that would be best
12:45 BlockMen it doesnt belong to general discussion
12:46 celeron55 i wish i had time and interest for figuring out what actually is wrong with these people
12:47 BlockMen celeron55, -> http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87565#p87565
12:47 sfan5 i'm still waiting for someone to merge #692
12:49 celeron55 but what the fuck are these people expecting
12:49 celeron55 it kind of sounds like they came to the wrong place in the first place
12:50 BlockMen celeron55, i guess so
12:50 BlockMen -> http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-05-01#i_3062104 that would prevent that a bit
12:51 PilzAdam maybe they think they are some awesome game designers and everything else is just completly stupid and wrong
12:51 celeron55 PilzAdam: are you ok with it if i give sfan5 upstream access?
12:51 PilzAdam and all the devs just waited for them to join and follower their awesome ideas
12:51 celeron55 (just a random question from a random committer in case i'm going insane or something)
12:52 PilzAdam its fine I guess
12:52 celeron55 mito551 is kind of respectable for what he does, but i don't understand why he's getting so pissed off
12:53 NakedFury all the excuses used for leaving are bullshit. the only reason I can see the need to post is some kind of move to grab someones atenttion and get a "dont leave man, we need you" post in the topic
12:53 Stcrafts hi
12:53 sfan5 would someone consider this too hacky: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/695/files
12:53 sfan5 s/:/? :/
12:54 sfan5 woops, wrong chan
12:56 Stcrafts ..I
12:59 jojoa1997 back
12:59 jojoa1997 anything new?
13:01 jojoa1997 is it just me or is yoputube really laggy
13:01 john_minetest Runs good for me.
13:08 sfan5 MinetestBot just timed out for the first time
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13:10 Guest84546 can anyone hear me?
13:10 Stcrafts who know arsdragonfly
13:11 BlockMen if i have a mod called "abc" with global function "abc:do_something()", can i call this function from mod "xyz" by using "abc:do_something()"?
13:12 john_minetest I think you can. It is possible to write mods that use functions from farming, so this should work, too.
13:13 BlockMen it always throws an nil error
13:15 BlockMen john_minetest, you know a mod that uses functions from farming?
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13:16 Zeg9 Hi
13:16 BlockMen hi Zeg9
13:16 BlockMen john_minetest, nvm
13:16 kaeza BlockMen, can you post the error?
13:17 kaeza hey Zeg9
13:17 john_minetest hi Zeg9
13:17 kaeza BlockMen, maybe you forgot to initialize the global `abc' table
13:18 BlockMen kaeza, nope. and there error is "attempt to call global 'do_something' (a nil value)"
13:19 kaeza hmm... may I take a peek at the code?
13:19 kaeza actually... hmm
13:20 BlockMen you can if i dont solve it next 20 min...im looking at farming and farming_plus to find error ;)
13:20 kaeza does `xyz' mod depend on `abc'?
13:22 VanessaE hi all.
13:22 VanessaE BlockMen: look how I did that for plants_lib.
13:22 VanessaE (the abc:function() idea)
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13:25 BlockMen kaeza, dang. i guess that was it. have another error now...
13:25 BlockMen thx man.
13:26 BlockMen VanessaE, thx but i guess it was the depends thing
13:26 kaeza BlockMen, np
13:26 kaeza I also committed the same mistake
13:27 kaeza hi VanessaE
13:27 [0gb_us] VanessaE: You said none of the names you listed sound lite a test. What about your listed "MT Voxel Engine"? Does "MT" stand for something that doesn't include the word "test"?
13:27 VanessaE hi
13:28 VanessaE [0gb_us]: forgot about that one.  ask hmmmm  :-)
13:29 jojoa1997 Hi [0gb_us], VanessaE'
13:29 jojoa1997 Hi [0gb_us], VanessaE
13:29 [0gb_us] By the way, there is currently another project in very early development called OpenMiner, so you might want to remove that one from the list.
13:29 [0gb_us] Hey, jojoa1997.
13:29 * jojoa1997 ping all!
13:30 [0gb_us] jojoa1997: "ping *"
13:30 kaeza <all> pong
13:30 VanessaE [0gb_us]: well it's not like that poll is gonna go anywhere, anyways
13:30 VanessaE jojoa1997: pong.
13:31 jojoa1997 [0gb_us]: "pong"
13:31 jojoa1997 VanessaE:ping
13:31 jojoa1997 :-D
13:32 * VanessaE throws a handful of expired pings at jojoa1997
13:32 jojoa1997 *ping was banned
13:32 * jojoa1997 /me wars GO!
13:33 VanessaE no.
13:33 * [0gb_us] answers "ping" with "polo", something he saw other people doing on this channel
13:33 jojoa1997 [0gb_us]: marco
13:33 Stcrafts 0.0
13:33 [0gb_us] jojoa1997: Pong.
13:33 sfan5 jojoa1997: ping
13:33 jojoa1997 VanessaE: pong
13:33 jojoa1997 sfan5 pingy
13:34 Stcrafts pingpong
13:34 jojoa1997 Starcrafts marcopolo
13:34 Stcrafts I poor at English...
13:34 * jojoa1997 found an amazing minecraft seed
13:35 kaeza s/craft/test/
13:35 Zeg9 jojoa1997: pong, delay of 300 seconds, please fix my connection ;)
13:35 jojoa1997 what does s// mean?
13:35 [0gb_us] It's some sort of programmer talk for substitution.
13:35 * jojoa1997 connects Zeg9's computer to mine via usb ?.?
13:35 celeron55 it's a sed command
13:36 jojoa1997 s/amazing/jojoa1997
13:36 jojoa1997 0
13:36 [0gb_us] !g sed
13:36 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html
13:36 celeron55 meaning substitution
13:36 jojoa1997 !g 0gb.us
13:36 MinetestBot jojoa1997: https://github.com/0gb-us
13:36 VanessaE jojoa1997: unterminated s command
13:36 jojoa1997 !g VanessaE
13:36 MinetestBot jojoa1997: http://www.vanessae.com/
13:36 VanessaE wtf?
13:36 celeron55 VanessaE: vim supports those!
13:36 Stcrafts someone know arsdragonfly?
13:36 jojoa1997 yeah i know he was on here earlier
13:37 VanessaE um, that is NOT my website.
13:37 * jojoa1997 dun dun DUN!
13:37 kaeza WOW
13:37 kaeza didn't know you sang :D
13:37 jojoa1997 is it possible to made a craft item show up as a cube?
13:37 [0gb_us] Unlike 0gb.us, VanessaE isn't a globally unique identifier. So there are others.
13:38 jojoa1997 oh wow your british
13:39 jojoa1997 ;-)
13:39 VanessaE [0gb_us]: which is why I use my full name where the venue allows for it.
13:39 VanessaE good luck finding another VanessaEzekowitz out there :)
13:39 jojoa1997 venue?
13:39 [0gb_us] Ah, I see. I forgot about the short name limit on IRC. Is there a limit on the forum then?
13:40 Stcrafts I know minetest only 4 month ,I try to make a mod,but have a lot of problem
13:40 [0gb_us] !g Ezekowitz
13:40 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/author/jezekowitz/
13:40 VanessaE jojoa1997: venue /ven you/ (n) 1. A location in which something takes place.
13:40 jojoa1997 Stcrafts what is the prob
13:40 [0gb_us] !g Vanessa Ezekowitz
13:40 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/vanessa_ezekowitz/
13:40 jojoa1997 paste all your code in here
13:40 VanessaE [0gb_us]: yep, that's mine.
13:41 jojoa1997 and all your debuig.txt
13:41 [0gb_us] I was just about to ask. It seemed like it could be you.
13:41 jojoa1997 >:-D
13:43 [0gb_us] VanessaE: Are you on Facebook? And Launchpad? And Wikipedia? And is your middle initial E?
13:43 VanessaE [0gb_us]: yes on all three.
13:43 Stcrafts :P my english is
13:43 jojoa1997 VanessaE what is your last name?
13:43 BlockMen can i use this global function abc:do_something() to register nodes?
13:44 BlockMen it seems npt
13:44 VanessaE jojoa1997: *facepalm*
13:44 BlockMen *not
13:44 jojoa1997 yes
13:44 [0gb_us] There's a Vanessa E Ezekowitz on Amazon.
13:44 jojoa1997 but you have to make the function register nodes
13:44 Adarqet !g shoes for guns
13:44 MinetestBot Adarqet: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1994-01-20/news/9401200197_1_guns-sawed-off-ballistics
13:44 * jojoa1997 achoo
13:44 VanessaE that's me also, [0gb_us]/
13:44 VanessaE .
13:45 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] is a stalker
13:45 VanessaE so stalk, see if I give two shits :)
13:45 BlockMen jojoa, ofc. but i get a "does not follow naming conventions" error
13:45 jojoa1997 VanessaE: you give three shits
13:46 [0gb_us] Well, that's only one page of search results, but I'm not really going to keep looking. If you aren't the only Vanessa Ezekowitz, you're certainly the most prominent one.
13:46 Adarqet !g mossberg500
13:46 MinetestBot Adarqet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_500
13:46 jojoa1997 paste your code and error on pastebinj.com
13:46 jojoa1997 pastebin.com
13:46 VanessaE [0gb_us]: yeah, I guess I'm a bit "loud" aren't I? :)
13:47 [0gb_us] You just have a big presence!
13:47 Vanessa_Ezekowit am i?
13:47 Vanessa_Ezekowit do i?
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13:47 VanessaE grrrr
13:47 * Vanessa_Ezekowit muwhahaha
13:48 [0gb_us] Lose the underscore, and it'll fit.
13:48 * VanessaEzekowitz muwqhahaha
13:48 VanessaE jojoa: don't.  just don't.
13:49 jojoa19978 wtf
13:50 VanessaE haha
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13:50 * jojoa1997 watching minecraft parodies
13:51 VanessaEzekowitz there,
13:51 VanessaE back to normal, and protected. :)
13:52 * jojoa1997 VanessaE`
13:52 jojoa1997 ~`~`~`~
13:52 jojoa1997 lol
13:53 jojoa1997 i just sawe a parody where the player jumped into the end with only a wood sword and leather armor
13:53 Koren heya
13:53 VanessaE hi
13:53 NickParrington Hello.
13:54 jojoa1997 hay
13:54 celeron55 VanessaE: lol, gedasymbols.org
13:54 celeron55 there's a chance i would have used something drawn by you
13:54 VanessaE possible.
13:55 celeron55 probably not though
13:55 jojoa1997 ok so
13:55 celeron55 in any case i've used gEDA for actual PCBs
13:55 VanessaE not unless you're designing c64 stuff
13:55 VanessaE ditto.  all of my projects are made with gschem and geda/pcb
13:56 Koren Does this commit broke your game too ? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a4183994a446a065e3151745b4167270ebae6194
13:56 celeron55 i once tried kicad, or maybe twice
13:56 celeron55 it's horrible
13:56 jojoa1997 so when will held stuff be shown by default and also moving heads
13:56 VanessaE Kray: break it how?
13:56 Kray wat
13:56 VanessaE fak
13:56 VanessaE Koren: break it how?
13:57 Koren The game don't launch because it failed to run builtin.lua
13:57 Koren when I comment dofile(minetest.get_modpath("__builtin").."/features.lua"), game runs
13:57 VanessaE Koren: pastebin the error messages please
13:58 PilzAdam Koren, actually yes
13:58 PilzAdam sfan5, ^
13:58 PilzAdam 15:56:40: ERROR[main]: /home/adam/Minetest/minetest/bin/../builtin/features.lua:4: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 3) near '='
13:58 Koren http://pastebin.com/30hgDCaE
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13:59 NickParrington Oops. I left the chat, but I meant to clear the scrollback.
13:59 PilzAdam sfan5, its glasslike_framed = true,
13:59 PilzAdam not "glasslike_framed" = true,
13:59 celeron55 either nothing or [""]
13:59 VanessaE why even include true?
13:59 jojoa1997 Koren what is the code
14:00 PilzAdam VanessaE, to make it not nil
14:00 celeron55 they are keys, so they need values
14:00 VanessaE if minetest.features.glasslike_frames then ..... end
14:00 * PilzAdam fixes it
14:00 VanessaE framed*
14:00 sfan5 how i feel: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37429751.jpg
14:00 jojoa1997 oh what does glass framed do?\
14:00 kaeza I guess sfan5 is too much used to python syntax
14:00 sfan5 kaeza: you're right, i use python alo
14:00 sfan5 *a lot
14:00 celeron55 sfan5: this is why nobody wants to merge anything from others; it'll just break something an be a headache :D
14:01 VanessaE PilzAdam: why does it matter if it's nil?  wouldn't the absence of the feature in the list imply that it is false?
14:01 VanessaE and therefore its presence is true?
14:01 celeron55 and*
14:01 VanessaE don't overcomplicate it!
14:01 sfan5 celeron55: :D
14:01 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b28734c82cdb88228a12a3cac90f51ab9384b653
14:01 sfan5 *deletes newest minetest build from his server*
14:02 kaeza actually, the truth value of nil is false
14:02 NickParrington VanessaE: If not set to true (or something else), it's an unset variable. In Lua, those "disappear".
14:03 VanessaE hrm
14:03 VanessaE good point
14:03 celeron55 VanessaE: setting values of named keys to true is how you do sets in lua
14:03 VanessaE didn't think of it from that standpoint
14:03 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://www.lua.org/pil/
14:03 PilzAdam :-p
14:04 celeron55 (as well as javascript, and everything else that doesn't specifically include a set container)
14:05 VanessaE PilzAdam: don't.  just don't.  the PiL is written by Lua experts FOR experts (most of the time, it's been useless to me, in favor of other resources)
14:05 VanessaE celeron55: not a feature I've used before is all.
14:05 thexyz pil is fairly simple
14:05 VanessaE for you.
14:06 sfan5 but lua's stack-based functio calling is not easy to understand
14:06 VanessaE let's not start that again.
14:06 sfan5 +n
14:06 [0gb_us] Hmm? Odd. I usually use either the Minetest API doc or the Lua doc that PilzAdam linked to.
14:06 celeron55 pil is basically all i needed for understanding lua (in addition to the reference)... but whatever
14:07 thexyz sfan5: well, you don't need to know how it works to use it
14:07 thexyz VanessaE: okay
14:07 sfan5 thexyz: thats actually right
14:08 thexyz everything I say is right!
14:08 thexyz (from my point of view, at least)
14:09 thexyz (at the moment of time I say that)
14:09 kaeza thexyz, what if you say "this statement is false"?
14:09 [0gb_us] Then it is false, creating a time space paradox.
14:10 VanessaE [0gb_us]: you mean one of those universe-destroying things?  surely it'll only be limited to our galaxy
14:10 [0gb_us] Isn't destroying the universe fun?
14:10 VanessaE sure, if you're a god maybe :)
14:10 jojoa1997 <thexyz> everything I say is right!
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14:10 [0gb_us] I don't think time space is localized to our galaxy.
14:10 jojoa1997 sfan how tall am i
14:11 jojoa1997 @Everyone are we minetest-alpha,beta, or delta
14:12 sfan5 brand new win32 build for those interested: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.6-b28734c-win32.7z
14:12 morten771 would the gamma quadrant do? ;-)
14:12 kaeza morten771, wat
14:13 PilzAdam jojoa1997, we are at Minetest 0.4.6
14:13 [0gb_us] 0.4.6 is out now? Yay!
14:13 * [0gb_us] runs off to compile
14:14 jojoa1997 werent we alrady 0.4.6
14:14 [0gb_us] Yeah.
14:14 jojoa1997 so why you need to compile
14:15 [0gb_us] I was pretending to be so far out of the loop, that I didn't even know 0.4.6 was out yet.
14:15 VanessaE jojoa1997: sarcasm FAIL
14:15 Exio VanessaE: what is sarcasm
14:15 Exio >:D
14:15 morten771 stardate 0004.6 in a galaxy where near ours
14:16 * jojoa1997 never heard of sarcas...what?
14:16 [0gb_us] What about incrementing the version upon every commit? 0.4.6.0 would be stable, then 0.4.6.1, 0.4.6.2, et cetera.
14:16 morten771 sar-casm is that a disease?
14:16 [0gb_us] !g sarcasm
14:16 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
14:16 PilzAdam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
14:17 PilzAdam :-(
14:17 jojoa1997 !g seriousness
14:17 MinetestBot jojoa1997: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seriousness
14:17 [0gb_us] PilzAdam: Ha ha, too slow.
14:18 kaeza lol Calinou changed his signature again
14:18 * kaeza loves this guy
14:18 kaeza (or girl...?)
14:19 PilzAdam kaeza, neither of those, its french
14:19 Exio lol
14:19 kaeza PilzAdam, :D
14:19 kaeza he is a hug
14:19 PilzAdam new win build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
14:19 VanessaE heh
14:20 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=67257#p67257
14:21 jojoa1997 what is new with this version
14:21 morten771 so... the easiest way to test this out is with wine, or? (I'm on linux mint ~ubuntu10.04)
14:21 PilzAdam as you can tell from the name: stuff
14:21 jojoa1997 Calinouehow do you get vines in minecraft>
14:21 jojoa1997 ?
14:21 VanessaE he isn'tin here, jojoa1997
14:21 PilzAdam morten771, ehm, if you are on linux you shouldnt run win builds
14:22 PilzAdam but yes, Minetest works in wine
14:22 PilzAdam thats how I test my builds
14:22 morten771 aha
14:22 PilzAdam (yes, I test every single build before uploading)
14:25 kaeza offtopic: I'd like to see a reply from celeron55 to that topic :P
14:26 VanessaE new ubuntu 13.04 build up.
14:26 morten771 I suppose I could downloadin the source and make it ofcourse, instead of running the windows build... there is no precompiled linux binaries for me to download, right?
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14:26 morten771 oh.
14:26 Exio jojoa1997: you get vines with shears in jungle trees - in swamps - or farming it
14:27 jojoa1997 thanks
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14:31 PilzAdam morten771, I strongly recommend compiling yourself
14:32 [0gb_us] I used to use Wine for running dev Minetest too, before I started compiling it. It works, but Minetest is faster OUTSIDE of Winne.
14:32 [0gb_us] *Wine
14:33 jojoa1997 idea!
14:33 [0gb_us] Uh oh.
14:33 * [0gb_us] braces himself
14:33 jojoa1997 i cant remmeber the name but a minecraft movie using the frame byu frame thingy
14:33 jojoa1997 stopmotion movie?
14:35 jojoa1997 what do you think
14:35 [0gb_us] Okay. Is that something you're planning? It sounds hard but fun.
14:35 PilzAdam you havent even told us any idea
14:35 [0gb_us] I think his idea is to create one.
14:35 jojoa1997 yeah a stopmotion movie
14:36 jojoa1997 it would be easy cause i could move block by block
14:36 Exio ?
14:36 Exio frame by frame what
14:36 [0gb_us] Moving that far for each frame would be very jerky.
14:37 jojoa1997 frame by frame shots
14:37 Exio jojoa1997: fps_limit=5
14:37 Exio recordmydesktop
14:37 Exio profit
14:37 jojoa1997 i have a program that does stopmotion movies
14:38 Exio is it opensource
14:38 Exio or do you have a license for using it being l33t - read that as: is it cracked?
14:39 morten771 ok what make system do you use for compiling?
14:40 morten771 and is there a nice source archive file to download or do I have to download from svn or something is I want same version of ther source as the latest windows build?
14:40 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L80
14:40 PilzAdam ^ morten771
14:44 morten771 ok
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15:01 jojoa1997 we need to add one of the multiple current ways to make wool to default
15:02 jojoa1997 and VanessaE i love what ypou did with the  new uinified dyes
15:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: flowers_plus. :)
15:02 VanessaE thanks :)
15:02 jojoa1997 oh yeah'
15:02 jojoa1997 VanessaE i will be having white dye(bonemeal) spawn all the flowers
15:03 VanessaE self-replicating white dandelions? :)
15:03 jojoa1997 no
15:03 jojoa1997 bonemal spawns flowers
15:03 VanessaE jojoa1997: default dyes/flowers turn white dandelions into white dye.
15:03 jojoa1997 i know
15:04 jojoa1997 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQCnkWeq7fM
15:06 [0gb_us] PilzAdam wants the way to get wool to be his farming, added to common. So that's what's probably going to happen.
15:08 VanessaE meh
15:08 jojoa1997 i know but PilzAdam add your farming already
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15:21 jojoa1997 forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php??pid=87627#p87627
15:21 Calinou prepend "http://" before so that it is clickable by xchat users ;)
15:22 VanessaE Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated.
15:22 Calinou same
15:22 Exio ^
15:22 Calinou VanessaE: merged pull request
15:22 VanessaE Calinou: thanks
15:22 jojoa1997 forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87627#p87627
15:22 VanessaE I had the same prob in homedecor after converting to 6d.  What's odd is I know I tested that.  *shrug* it works now.
15:22 jojoa1997 this is what i get for manually typing it
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15:23 Calinou you can convert MC packs to minetest easily now, rename files, color grass/leaves
15:23 Calinou for torches and cactus it's going to be a little more complicated, though
15:24 Zeg9 Hi again
15:24 VanessaE am I the only one who tries not to show custom textures and shaders when taking a screenshot for publication?
15:24 sfan5 brb, restarting computer
15:24 jojoa1997 Calinou i have already converted it with a .bat file but i cant to the color changes(grass, leaves), torches, and the cacti are a problem
15:24 VanessaE jojoa1997: imagemagick.
15:24 Calinou heh, steam needs to "convert TF2 data into a new file format"
15:24 jojoa1997 i mean i cant get the colorization right
15:24 Calinou doing it :P
15:25 Calinou hi Zeg9
15:25 Calinou I still can't log in to your server, can you reset my password please?
15:25 jojoa1997 VanessaE gimp it
15:25 Zeg9 Oh, it isn't started yet.
15:25 BlockMen bye everyone
15:25 Exio jojoa1997: .bat lol
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15:25 VanessaE jojoa1997: use imagemagick for command-line work.  makes it very easy to script things.
15:25 * Zeg9 will backup the world and start his server
15:25 jojoa1997 Exio it works on all windows computers and it is really fast
15:26 * Calinou doesn't even know what's the command to name files on windows
15:26 Calinou on windows, I know these commands: dir, del, ipconfig, cd
15:26 Calinou nothing else :P
15:26 Exio jojoa1997: bash is 1337% more powerful and haz 9001% more stuff
15:26 jojoa1997 Exio by me a new computer to put linux on
15:26 VanessaE over 9000, meh
15:26 VanessaE that meme is old.
15:26 VanessaE old meme is old.
15:26 VanessaE (almost blew the chance ;) )
15:27 jojoa1997 Calinou ren blockIron.png "default_steel_block.png"
15:27 Exio VanessaE: the irc is old
15:27 Calinou jojoa1997: if you're scared of dual boot, you can buy a separate HDD/SSD
15:27 [0gb_us] VanessaE: Yeah, I've noticed people like taking shots in their custom textures.
15:27 Calinou TIL a new windows command :D
15:28 Zeg9 VanessaE, [0gb_us] for mod releases and pull requests, I use default textures; else I don't see any problem using a texture pack
15:28 jojoa1997 Calinou i cant install linux on my computer end of story. Tell me to use linux is like saying ok let me buy you a computer for YOU to own
15:28 VanessaE Calinou: two words:  overzealous parents.
15:28 jojoa1997 VanessaE: one word mom
15:28 Exio jojoa1997: you live in usa
15:28 Exio you can get your own super-computer for half of the money, of here
15:28 jojoa1997 anways i would like you guys to code something in bash
15:29 Calinou virtualize it then
15:29 Calinou if you don't want to play games in virtualbox, you do not need a beefy CPU
15:29 * Zeg9 just started his server back
15:29 [0gb_us] Zeg9: Some people use custom textures even in releases though.
15:30 VanessaE guys, jojoa1997's computer is locked-down by his mom in such a way as to make it impossible to clandestinely install software such as a virtual machine or a dual-boot OS.
15:30 Zeg9 Yeah, or post processing on screenshots
15:30 john_minetest hi Zeg9
15:30 Exio how can he use MT then
15:30 VanessaE Zeg9: which is fucking irritating.  :-/
15:30 VanessaE make it look like what the downloader would see initially.
15:30 Zeg9 jojoa1997, this sucks
15:30 VanessaE Exio: I am not sure
15:30 jojoa1997 Exio it is on a very specified lockdown
15:31 Exio you can use a VM - like you can play MT
15:31 Calinou MT runs at 30FPS for me in vbox
15:31 jojoa1997 also i have many backlups of minetest so when she deletes one i can use another
15:31 Calinou sometimes more
15:31 Zeg9 What about having a special executable that will write the OS to a cd, would it be locked by dictator software?
15:32 sfan5 a lockdown software can't always win
15:32 Calinou lockdown software? reinstall windows :trollface:
15:32 sfan5 e.g. you write a xor encrypten os to a usb stick
15:32 VanessaE guys, you are advocating that a 14 year old should violate his parents rules.
15:32 jojoa1997 it isnt lockdown software
15:32 jojoa1997 VanessaE cough cough 15
15:33 Exio you look like 12 tbh
15:33 Zeg9 rules are here to be broken
15:33 * sfan5 agrees with Exio
15:33 VanessaE ok 15 then.
15:33 VanessaE whatever.
15:33 sfan5 <jojoa1997> it isnt lockdown software
15:33 sfan5 what then?
15:34 jojoa1997 Zeg9 broken rules=consequences
15:34 Zeg9 True...
15:34 Calinou well, there is no solution if you can't install software freely
15:34 jojoa1997 consequences=no computer(no minetest) and no tablet(no minetest online)
15:35 jojoa1997 Calinou i can but it never seems to work and i am not changing my computers code
15:35 sfan5 "i am not changing my computers code" what?
15:35 VanessaE he means the OS.
15:35 jojoa1997 guys just drop it
15:36 jojoa1997 i have had this same discussion with you all 3-5 times already
15:36 sfan5 drop it? well the listen to dubstep
15:36 * jojoa1997 <safn5> smart aleck
15:37 Exio use the /me for things in third person, and check what you write
15:37 [0gb_us] If you want it dropped, then quit asking how to do the impossible. You ask how to do things that you can't do without installing things.
15:37 jojoa1997 Exio i did that on purpose >:-)
15:37 Zeg9 [unrelated] How can I tell firefox to stop asking me to install flash? (not installing icecat or iceweasel or whatever)
15:37 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] i didnt
15:38 Exio Zeg9: install swfdef!
15:38 Calinou Zeg9: by installing flash
15:38 Zeg9 ...
15:38 [0gb_us] Okay, I thought you did. I'm glad I wasn't one of the people telling you to install Linux this time then.
15:38 Calinou works for me under chromium.
15:38 jojoa1997 i think it started here when <Exio> jojoa1997: bash is 1337% more powerful and haz 9001% more stuff
15:38 VanessaE Zeg9: install gnash.  maybe that'll shut it up?
15:38 jojoa1997 said i should uuse linux for the abilities of bash
15:38 Zeg9 I mean, I don't want any flash implementation
15:38 Calinou instead, you'll get pruple flicker everywhere
15:39 [0gb_us] When does it ask for Flash? Just in times a page wants it?
15:39 Calinou and occasionally a pony will appear and say something insightful
15:39 Zeg9 [0gb_us], yes
15:39 VanessaE Zeg9: then use a flashblocker to stop the applets from loading?
15:39 Calinou you can install flash then set it to run on click only
15:39 Calinou chromium can do that
15:39 Calinou or use a flashblock
15:39 Zeg9 I have noscript already, but when I enable javascript,... it enables flash too
15:39 [0gb_us] Well, if a page "needs" flash, I think your browser will try to get you to install it. I'm not sure current Firefox is set up to allow you to disable that.
15:40 Exio i use flashblock - separated"ly"
15:40 Zeg9 I'll look in about:config
15:40 * [0gb_us] likes about:config, it lets him disable that annoying URI "trimming" setting
15:40 Zeg9 I think this should do it: plugins.hide_infobar_for_missing_plugin
15:41 Zeg9 Thanks for your help :P
15:41 Calinou "Error 300 (net::ERR_INVALID_URL) : Unknown error" chromium, that's insightful
15:41 [0gb_us] That'll hide all plugin requests though, right? Is that what you're wanting?
15:41 Calinou I tried to do about:config :P
15:43 * [0gb_us] wonders if he has flash installed
15:43 Calinou by default it is installed on *buntus
15:44 [0gb_us] !g Do I have Flash installed?
15:44 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html
15:44 [0gb_us] I thought 'buntu had only free software, so no FLash, by default.
15:45 [0gb_us] But I did click the option to install third party stuff, which isn'[t default, so I might have it.
15:45 [0gb_us] Yeah, according to the test, I have Flash.
15:47 ShadowNinja sfan5: If you want to add features to phenny you should add this: Ability to trigger a command both with the prifix and by addressing it by name, like ShadowBot.
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15:48 Calinou [0gb_us]: nope, it's far from fully FOSS
15:48 [0gb_us] ShadowBot: assemble the troops. Tonight, we invade.
15:48 [0gb_us] Calinou: My bad then.
15:49 Calinou proprietary firmware is always installed, MP3/flash codecs are installed if wanted ("install third party software"), proprietary drivers available
15:49 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: Disabled for normal users while MinetestBot is around.
15:49 Calinou now please don't turn this into a FOSS debate :)
15:49 [0gb_us] I read that Ubuntu merged Gobuntu with the main project due to Ubuntu having a fully FOSS option.
15:50 Exio the only way to do that, in 9.10 at least, was with an option in the syslinux when the livecd boots
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15:51 [0gb_us] And by the way Calinou, I'm only anti-Windows, not anti-proprietary software in general. I use proprietary software myself, and I also understand developers have to eat.
15:51 rubenwardy hi all
15:51 [0gb_us] Hey, rubenwardy.
15:51 Calinou hi rubenwardy
15:51 * Calinou connects to sky hardcore
15:52 rubenwardy not this proprietary debate agin
15:52 rubenwardy *again
15:52 Calinou WTF, I'm downloading at 604KB/s from steam
15:52 Calinou :D
15:52 [0gb_us] I'm not debating. Is someone debating?
15:52 Calinou I'm not rubenwardy
15:52 Calinou Calinou> now please don't turn this into a FOSS debate :)
15:52 [0gb_us] And we didn't. Yay!
15:52 celeron55 maybe i should add the "celeron55 hates FOSS zealots" text back on the homepage (that it had in 2011) 8)
15:53 VanessaE hey ruben
15:53 Zeg9 Sorry... I shouldn't have talked about this.
15:53 [0gb_us] !g zealots
15:53 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealotry
15:53 Zeg9 Hi, rubenwardy
15:53 Calinou "celeron55 hates OOP zealots, FOSS zealots, smalltalk, perfectionism and noobs. 8)"
15:53 Calinou I still remember that :P
15:55 rubenwardy popular today
15:55 rubenwardy How is ye oll?
15:55 rubenwardy (How is everyone)
15:55 Calinou aww, there's one person on sky hardcore, presumably Guest9770
15:56 VanessaE doing okay here.
15:56 jojoa1997 what is sky hardcore
15:56 jojoa1997 ?
15:56 Calinou an hardcore server
15:56 jojoa1997 minecaft or minetest?
15:56 Calinou that Guest9770 has a lot of stuff including mese sword, which is OP :P
15:57 [0gb_us] I'm doing well. And you, rubenwardy?
15:57 Calinou minetest
15:57 jojoa1997 what is adress
15:57 rubenwardy Good thanks
15:57 john_minetest hi rubenwardy
15:57 Calinou see public server list: http://servers.minetest.net
15:57 rubenwardy Thinking about playing with the food mod a bit
15:57 [0gb_us] In a couple moths, I'll probably be getting World of Goo. Has anyone played that?
15:58 [0gb_us] *months
15:58 jojoa1997 CAlinou i see no sky hardcore setrver
15:59 rubenwardy I can
15:59 Calinou there is one
15:59 rubenwardy #7
15:59 Calinou .net not .ru
15:59 Calinou Sky hardcoretesting new features. liquid, mapgen, dungeons, floatislands. CAN BE RESTARTED OR WIPED AT ANY TIME
15:59 Calinou 80.240.216.69:30010
15:59 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: server --name Sky
15:59 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Sky hardcore | 80.240.216.69:30010 | Clients: 1/3 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.161
16:00 rubenwardy lol
16:01 Calinou who will get Guest9770 first? that is the question!
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16:08 rubenwardy Is default:dry_shrub still generated?
16:08 Calinou yep
16:08 Calinou in deserts
16:08 VanessaE yes
16:08 VanessaE and by junglegrass mod.
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16:10 jojoa1997 are there gold tools?
16:11 jojoa1997 3 DIAMONDS!
16:11 jojoa1997 should i craft a sword or a pick?
16:11 VanessaE no.
16:11 VanessaE unless moreores still has those
16:11 VanessaE a pick, of course.
16:12 jojoa1997 why?
16:12 VanessaE because you need mining tools more than you need defense tools?
16:12 Calinou unless you're playing pvp, zero need for sword
16:12 Calinou but diamond sword is OP :P
16:12 VanessaE surely you'll save your swords for fighting mobs and the picks for everything else
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16:13 jojoa1997 well since i only have one stick
16:13 Calinou swords have infinite durability when not using them to mine leaves :P
16:13 VanessaE you only have one stick?  poor materials management :)
16:13 * jojoa1997 crying: its so pretty
16:14 VanessaE when playing survival, I always keep up to a full stack of tree trunks on hand, and usually a stack of steel, or cobble if I don't have it.
16:14 jojoa1997 yeah well i have 5 other ones also
16:14 hylian is there a map or something? I would like to go spelunking but find my way back "home" afterwards.. also, is there a mod that adds towns like minecaft has?
16:14 VanessaE in addition to a stack of coal
16:14 Calinou hylian: minetestmapper.py can make surface maps
16:14 Calinou other than that, no
16:14 VanessaE towns?  sokomine's random buildings mod.
16:14 VanessaE and traders mod
16:14 VanessaE those add such
16:14 VanessaE I think
16:14 Calinou there are quite a lot of mods that add towns and structures
16:15 jojoa1997 sfan5 did you fall?
16:15 Calinou VanessaE: this gave me an idea, how about adding tags for mod types instead of the obnoxious [Mod]?
16:15 hylian are the towns filled with some npc's to buy stuff from? I am mostly interested in that..
16:16 VanessaE Calinou: not a bad idea as long as the categories are laid out ahead of time - i.e. mod authors should not be able to just make them up
16:16 Calinou eg. STRUCT for structures, ORE for ores, DECO for decorative, MECH for mechanisms (mesecons), FARM for farm-like stuff, MOB and so on
16:16 Calinou bukkit does that :P
16:16 Calinou (well, bukkit plugins)
16:16 [0gb_us] I keep a stack of trees and mese on hand, but never iron.
16:16 Calinou 6 people on sky hardcore, that's a lot
16:17 VanessaE [0gb_us]: iron isn't rare.  there's no reason to hoard it :)
16:17 Calinou it's kinda rare :P
16:17 [0gb_us] THe reason to hoard it is that it is the only thing of value. So yes, there's a reason.
16:17 VanessaE not really.  of course, I haven't played survival actively since around 0.4.4 :P
16:17 hylian well thanks. i like the idea of npc's to interact with. otherwise the world feels kind of empty... and most of the time I cant play online, (crappy internet)
16:18 [0gb_us] If half the nodes in the game were iron ore, I'd still hoard iron.
16:18 VanessaE [0gb_us]: but it has no value if it's too common
16:18 hylian because it cuts through rock so much better than stone? I hear you there.
16:19 hylian bye
16:19 [0gb_us] VanessaE: It's the ONLY thing you can make nodes that vandals can't break out of. THAT'S where it gets its value from, not rarity.
16:20 jojoa1997 0gb_us what about obsidian
16:20 jojoa1997 and iron isnt even a block
16:20 VanessaE [0gb_us]: you mean like steel blocks?  a mese pick makes quick work of those..  although a vandal is unlikely to have one.
16:20 [0gb_us] jojoa1997: Other players can break obsidian.
16:20 rubenwardy Is it possible to have a modpack in a modpack?
16:20 VanessaE rubenwardy: yes
16:20 rubenwardy cool
16:20 VanessaE but it isn't recommended.
16:21 [0gb_us] And steel doors and locked chests are the only two nodes that defend themselves.
16:21 rubenwardy It is just for my local mod folder
16:21 [0gb_us] VanessaE: Not steel blocks, locked blocks.
16:21 VanessaE oh
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16:21 rubenwardy I want to keep all my food mods together, and I might make one of them a mod pack
16:21 VanessaE rubenwardy: moretrees has a few foods now, btw :)
16:22 rubenwardy ah cool
16:22 rubenwardy may add support
16:22 rubenwardy when I sort this shit out
16:22 jojoa1997 just get monkeys :-)
16:22 VanessaE fwiw:  raw coconut, coconut milk, acorn muffins, and various roasted nuts
16:23 rubenwardy the "shit" is sorting this out: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/
16:24 [0gb_us] The only safe node is a locked node. And there are only five locked nodes, all made from iron. (four are all the locked door, it's a technicality) All five require iron to make, making iron the only vanilla anti-vandal tool. THough it doesn't prevent vandals from filling such a building with their own unbreakable nodes, unless you plan out your building VERY well.
16:24 rubenwardy and making a better structure
16:25 Calinou lol
16:25 Calinou guest9770 teleports near me, I jump IRL
16:26 Calinou [0gb_us]: locked chests can't be broken by other people
16:26 Calinou :>
16:26 [0gb_us] Exactly my point, Calinou.
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16:26 Calinou anyway, I fail to understand how Guest9770 got that much resources
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16:26 [0gb_us] Locked chests and locked doors are the only things vandals can't destroy.
16:26 Calinou I've saw his bones once: mese tools and sword, gold, iron
16:27 * jojoa1997 places tnt
16:27 Calinou on sky hardcore... it's impossible to get decent resources there
16:27 Calinou my best is stone tools and sword
16:27 Calinou and as soon as I log in back, i'll die
16:27 [0gb_us] That's why I prize iron above all else in the game.
16:27 Calinou mese and diamond swords are OP, again
16:27 Calinou and diamond/mese axes/shovels are useless
16:27 VanessaE OP?
16:27 Calinou overpowered
16:27 VanessaE oh
16:27 Calinou one hit does like 8 health points :P
16:28 jojoa1997 can we set homes?
16:28 Calinou nope
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16:28 [0gb_us] Yeah, I didn't know "OP" either.
16:28 * [0gb_us] wishes people would spell out their words
16:29 jojoa1997 Calinou wanna team up?
16:32 jojoa1997 O.o
16:32 Calinou meh, no
16:32 Calinou i'm being chased by guest :P
16:32 jojoa1997 ifell down to 193 and survivaed thanks to loading terrain
16:33 jojoa1997 O.O
16:33 jojoa1997 there is soo much diamonds here
16:33 Calinou "ignore" should deal falldamage imo
16:33 jojoa1997 now to think of it it is ironic
16:34 jojoa1997 cause when terrain loaded i fell inot a pond
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16:34 [0gb_us] Sometimes there's something to break your fall JUST below the ignore though. It wouldn't be fair to have ignore deal damage.
16:34 jojoa1997 though i woul have been damaged from hitting bottom
16:34 [0gb_us] I think ignore shouldn't slow your decent though.
16:35 VanessaE bbl
16:35 [0gb_us] Bye.
16:38 Calinou lol, tried to enter pyrovision
16:38 * Calinou presses P
16:38 Calinou game quits
16:38 Calinou is pyrovision xchat?
16:38 Calinou I doubt :)
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16:50 khonkhortisan I can fall down a cliff then jump on a ledge from the air
16:51 khonkhortisan if the cliff was the right height, I could walk off the edge, then fall like in cartoons
16:56 Calinou yea
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17:21 ShadowNinja I lowered ShadowBot's message flood detection, it was pretty much the same as freenodes limits anyway, It will also activate faster, 5 messages in 15 seconds
17:22 jojoa1997 but that is no fair
17:22 jojoa1997 why
17:22 jojoa1997 wouyld
17:22 jojoa1997 yoiu do ythat
17:22 jojoa1997 why'
17:22 jojoa1997 was kicked by ShadowBot: message flood detected
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17:23 jojoa1997 :-D
17:23 ShadowNinja hmmm
17:23 ShadowNinja And it won't work in annother channel
17:23 khonkhortisan ShadowBot,
17:24 khonkhortisan ShadowBot, you
17:24 khonkhortisan ShadowBot, you should
17:24 khonkhortisan ShadowBot, you should kick
17:24 khonkhortisan ShadowBot, you should kick me
17:24 khonkhortisan was kicked by ShadowBot: message flood detected
17:24 PilzAdam wtf
17:24 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, turn that shit off
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17:24 jojoa1997 so it kicks you if you have bad words huh
17:24 ShadowNinja I fixed it
17:24 ShadowNinja Not here
17:24 jojoa1997 oh :/
17:25 ShadowNinja Well ten bad words in one message is a ban, but normal detection is off
17:25 jojoa1997 fuck
17:25 jojoa1997 fuck
17:25 jojoa1997 fuck
17:25 jojoa1997 fuck
17:26 jojoa1997 fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
17:26 jojoa1997 was kicked by MinetestBot: CHOP!
17:26 ShadowNinja Nooo :-(
17:26 ShadowNinja !op
17:26 PilzAdam wtf
17:26 ShadowNinja !deop
17:26 PilzAdam that bot even gives you OP?
17:26 ShadowNinja Yes
17:27 sfan5 !op
17:27 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 165, in op)
17:27 khonkhortisan !op
17:27 jojoa1997 joined #minetest
17:27 khonkhortisan just checking...
17:27 sfan5 damnit MinetestBot
17:27 rubenwardy d
17:27 jojoa1997 sorry i thought 10 bad words meant a kick
17:27 * PilzAdam is 100% against this bots
17:27 ShadowNinja Well test that somewhere elso
17:27 jojoa1997 PilzAdam +1
17:28 rubenwardy sdsd
17:28 rubenwardy D
17:28 rubenwardy D
17:28 rubenwardy D
17:28 rubenwardy D
17:28 rubenwardy D
17:28 rubenwardy was kicked by ShadowBot: message flood detected
17:28 sfan5 !deop
17:28 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 177, in deop)
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17:28 ShadowNinja If you want I can disable it
17:28 rubenwardy lol
17:28 khonkhortisan just don't get yourself banned
17:28 ShadowNinja It was designed for LM
17:28 khonkhortisan if you can't spam, there's no point :)
17:28 ShadowNinja VanessaE sugested it be a ban
17:28 PilzAdam just deop the bots
17:29 ShadowNinja :-(
17:30 ShadowNinja Should it only be a kick?
17:30 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload chop.py
17:30 MinetestBot sfan5: chop.py: no such module!
17:30 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload chop
17:30 MinetestBot sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-05-01 17:31:43)
17:31 PilzAdam the bots shouldnt kick or ban anyone
17:31 sfan5 my bot doesn't auto-ban anyone
17:31 ShadowNinja Well the point was to prevent spam
17:31 PilzAdam you produce more spa,
17:31 PilzAdam *spam
17:31 ShadowNinja If you want I can disable it here
17:31 sfan5 !op
17:31 sfan5 !deop
17:32 khonkhortisan !op
17:32 khonkhortisan * MinetestBot ignores khonkhortisan
17:32 sfan5 khonkhortisan: even if you take my nick, it matches by hostmaks
17:32 sfan5 *hostmask
17:32 khonkhortisan cool
17:32 ShadowNinja sfan5: You should probably send the reload messages in private
17:32 sfan5 ShadowNinja: yeah
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17:33 sfan5 !mute testest
17:33 sfan5 !unmute testtest
17:33 sfan5 !unmute testest
17:34 ShadowNinja Shouldn't it be a nick or host mute?
17:35 jin_xi !derp
17:35 MinetestBot jin_xi: command not found, maybe you wanted to try "rm -Rfv /"
17:36 PilzAdam why does this bot spam so much?
17:36 ShadowNinja sfan5: from a PM ^
17:36 ShadowNinja -:
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17:38 khonkhortisan Can one bot kick the other for spam?
17:38 sfan5 ops can't kick ops IIRC
17:39 sfan5 !op sfan5
17:39 MinetestBot was kicked by sfan5: MinetestBot
17:39 * ShadowBot wakes up
17:39 sfan5 ..they can
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17:39 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: Yes, unless I give MinetestBot the nopunish capability
17:39 * ShadowBot sleeps
17:39 sfan5 !deop
17:39 ShadowNinja sfan5: You are thinking of halfops
17:40 sfan5 yes
17:42 iqualfragile i hope that wont work
17:42 iqualfragile !op iqualfragile
17:42 ShadowNinja It only kicks now
17:43 iqualfragile good
17:43 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: Both bots match by host
17:43 khonkhortisan !kick khonkhortisan
17:44 * khonkhortisan was kicked by MinetestBot (#minetest)
17:44 * khonkhortisan (~kyle@c-76-121-156-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #minetest
17:45 * ShadowNinja has a different kick/join message
17:45 khonkhortisan it works!
17:45 khonkhortisan oh
17:45 ShadowNinja lol
17:45 khonkhortisan I did the kick differently
17:45 khonkhortisan mine is actually sfan5 has kicked MinetestBot from #minetest (MinetestBot)
17:46 ShadowNinja MinetestBot was kicked from #minetest by sfan5 [MinetestBot]
17:46 jin_xi fuckin bot fuckers, stop the fucking spam already if you wanna stop spam
17:46 jin_xi was kicked by MinetestBot: CHOP!
17:46 khonkhortisan chop?
17:47 sfan5 that kick msg was suggested by rubenwardy
17:47 [0gb_us] Reaper chop?
17:47 ShadowNinja Short, mine is something like three sentences ;-)
17:47 sfan5 no,no
17:47 rubenwardy hmm
17:47 khonkhortisan Mine says "MinetestBot has kicked jin_xi from #minetest (CHOP!)" and yours says "jin_xi was kicked from #minetest by MinetestBot (CHOP!)"
17:47 ShadowNinja no, [CHOP!]
17:47 khonkhortisan o
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17:53 sfan5 now we can do anything loggingbot is not ..... wait
17:53 rubenwardy what happened?
17:53 sfan5 netsplit
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17:53 rubenwardy ?
17:54 khonkhortisan http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-05-01#i_3063235
17:54 rubenwardy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
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17:59 ShadowNinja sfan5: I have already implemented mass hilight protection btw
18:02 thexyz wait, wtf is happening
18:03 thexyz sex sex sex sex sex
18:03 thexyz was kicked by MinetestBot: CHOP!
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18:05 MinetestBot was kicked by thexyz: CHOPCHOPCHOP
18:05 * ShadowBot wakes up
18:06 thexyz go fix the damn thing
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18:06 khonkhortisan I think I can say a 4x4 table of a swear word, and avoid both the swearing kick and the spamming kick
18:07 thexyz seriously, what the fuck
18:07 thexyz disable that shit
18:07 Jordach yeah
18:08 Jordach no bots allowed as op
18:08 thexyz that too
18:08 thexyz but it seems I lost that argument
18:08 ShadowNinja thexyz: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-04-28#i_3056934 It doesn't do anyting about only a few ones
18:08 Jordach of i hacked it; i can do damage
18:08 Jordach if*
18:09 PilzAdam thexyz, just kick all bots
18:09 PilzAdam they just spam
18:09 PilzAdam and are annyoing
18:10 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ACftVQh.png
18:10 Jordach the new name topic has a ton of posts
18:10 thexyz *views
18:10 khonkhortisan I can't click the link in the image
18:10 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, oh no!
18:10 PilzAdam your computer is broken!
18:10 PilzAdam throw it away!
18:11 thexyz ShadowNinja: doesn't ShadowBot kick users who send too many messages?
18:11 khonkhortisan "If I do a search, will I lose the other tabs?"
18:11 thexyz > Another one of the bad ideas the lead devs have.
18:11 ShadowNinja thexyz: yes, five in ten seconds, although that can be disabled if you want
18:12 khonkhortisan There's someone that's using the drop-down menu on the url bar as the history, and refuses to be shown where the long history is
18:12 thexyz didn't you know? all bad ideas come from the devs
18:12 Jordach that is like me asking if the engine is closed source
18:12 thexyz ShadowNinja: that seems more reasonable
18:12 khonkhortisan I thought you said 15 seconds
18:12 Jordach thexyz, yeah
18:12 Jordach did you see me and c55 talking about 0.3.x
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18:14 Jordach hey hmmmm
18:14 Jordach you deserved that netsplit
18:14 khonkhortisan Is it worth getting kicked if I spam what loggingbot missed?
18:14 Jordach probably not
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18:16 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: You can do it slowly, as it stands it is just a little faster and barely lower than freenodes flood limits.
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18:17 * ShadowBot sleeps
18:17 sfan5 !badword disable
18:17 MinetestBot done.
18:17 sfan5 thexyz: you could also just disable it yourself
18:18 sfan5 !deop
18:18 Jordach sfan5, thats just lazy
18:18 sfan5 <thexyz> go fix the damn thing
18:18 Jordach you could have used /deop sfan5
18:18 sfan5 what is wrong?
18:18 Jordach (or whatever the cmd is)
18:19 Jordach thank fuck we got rid of the swearing filter.
18:19 PilzAdam sfan5, MinetestBot spams more than anyone else
18:19 Jordach this laptop is better on internet than my tower pc \o/
18:20 sfan5 PilzAdam: what type of spam?
18:20 Jordach !server
18:20 MinetestBot UnboundLocalError: local variable 'cfuncs' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 221, in server)
18:20 Jordach !tw
18:20 MinetestBot Jordach: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id
18:20 PilzAdam that ^
18:20 Jordach see
18:20 Jordach MinetestBot just breaks too often#
18:20 Jordach -#
18:20 Jordach and its got a whole array of useless shit
18:21 Jordach !tw @jeb_
18:21 MinetestBot Jordach: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id
18:21 Jordach !tw jeb_
18:21 MinetestBot Our appearance in TIME made Norwegian news: http://p3.no/filmpolitiet/2013/04/de-som-beveger-verden/ Always funny when they think Minecraft "reminds of the 80's," though :P (@jeb_)
18:21 Jordach ^ thats the worst#
18:21 sfan5 if you use your microwave to burn down someones house, its not the microwave's fault
18:21 Jordach bots will never replace human ops
18:21 Jordach because they cant reason
18:21 sfan5 like that, if you use an irc bot for spamming its not the bots fault
18:22 Jordach uhm yes
18:22 Jordach a nick is a entity
18:22 ShadowNinja sfan5: does yours auto-ignore after too many commands?
18:22 Jordach no one knows what we look like behind the text
18:22 sfan5 ShadowNinja: i disabled that feature because it lead to confusion
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18:23 PilzAdam the only useful function of the bot is the !up command, but people tend to abuse it
18:23 Jordach like markveidamanis
18:23 PilzAdam so, the whole thing is useless
18:23 Jordach i could !server
18:23 ShadowNinja I would agree that bots won't replace ops, but they can be a help.
18:23 Jordach !server
18:23 MinetestBot UnboundLocalError: local variable 'cfuncs' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 221, in server)
18:23 sfan5 Jordach: markveidemanis is auto ignored
18:23 Jordach sfan5, alt nicks
18:24 Jordach and anyways
18:24 Jordach if a spammer does come along
18:24 Jordach im pretty sure some auto script can kick someone for using more than 40 lines a time
18:24 Jordach eg, lm
18:24 Jordach (unless they use one liners.)
18:24 sfan5 40 lines, that limit is a bit high
18:24 sfan5 !server
18:24 MinetestBot UnboundLocalError: local variable 'cargs' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 223, in server)
18:25 sfan5 damnit
18:25 ShadowNinja sfan5: how about you use a testing channel, like #botwar
18:25 [0gb_us] Bots can't reason? Well, maybe not now, but one day, maybe.
18:26 Jordach [0gb_us], what is this? terminator 2?
18:26 khonkhortisan I couldn't convince a bot it wasn't human
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18:26 Jordach because it knows its a bot
18:27 [0gb_us] No. I don't watch movies. But someone said bots will never replace human operators because they can't reason. I think "never" and "currently can't reason" sort of don't work together.
18:27 sfan5 !server
18:27 MinetestBot sfan5: Spanish Server | 198.211.125.161 | Clients: 1/50 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.120
18:27 khonkhortisan people will never use git because it isn't pre-installed
18:28 [0gb_us] I hate git, and it isn't preinstalled for my system. I use it anyway.
18:29 [0gb_us] It's overly complicated. It gets easier to use as you get used to it, but that doesn't fix the issue that it's overly complicated.
18:29 Exio i don't like or like git, but it makes stuff easier than doing it by hand
18:29 Jordach [0gb_us], they made a nice windows git clien
18:29 Jordach client*
18:30 [0gb_us] Windows is insecure. Using it is not advisable.
18:30 kaeza lol not this crap again
18:30 Jordach bullshit, nmines secure as fuck
18:30 Jordach -n
18:30 Jordach i have two routers
18:30 [0gb_us] Windows being secure is not possible.
18:31 [0gb_us] If you have routers, that's not Windows itself being secure.
18:31 kaeza [0gb_us], [citation needed]
18:31 kaeza (or actually [experience needed])
18:31 [0gb_us] Assuming the routers are even helping, which may or may not be the case.
18:32 [0gb_us] Do your research. Windows is insecure as heck.
18:32 kaeza [0gb_us], would you mind actually testing for yourself before mindlessly bashing against Windows?
18:32 Jordach [0gb_us], windows' security has improved since vista
18:32 Jordach and guess what the major cause of security issues is
18:32 Jordach THE USER
18:32 kaeza ^
18:32 Jordach they just click yes to everything
18:32 Jordach because they dont read
18:32 Jordach they expect no harm when UAC is blaring in their FACE
18:33 [0gb_us] Yet the user isn't so insecure on other systems. Meaning it is the system to blame, or at least the system could have prevented it.
18:33 [0gb_us] Either way, Windows is insecure.
18:33 kaeza lol
18:33 Jordach [0gb_us], just because the user is the problem, doesnt mean the system shouldnt have to be proactive all the time
18:33 Jordach the system must warn the user if system files are being changed.
18:34 Jordach (which UAC does already)
18:34 [0gb_us] However, when there are systems that easily protect all the time, how can you say that a system that doesn't is a good system?
18:34 Jordach no security is the best security
18:35 Jordach windows nhas basic OS Protection
18:35 [0gb_us] Also, if you don't want to talk security, Windows is unbelievably bloated, and takes up a lot of system resources.
18:35 Jordach it doesnt mean it stops everything
18:35 Jordach [0gb_us], BULL
18:35 Jordach vista runs bettr than xp for me
18:35 [0gb_us] And when I run Windows, it likes to crash on me a lot. On a CLEAN install of Windows.
18:35 Jordach [0gb_us], your hardware must be old
18:35 Exio [0gb_us]: linux can be insecure with idiot users, want an example? look at 80% of the ubuntu user base
18:36 Jordach zing
18:36 kaeza ^
18:36 [0gb_us] As insecure as Windows? I highly doubt that.
18:36 Exio random users what have no idea what they are doing and if they read "rm -rf / makes your system faster zomg!" they will do that
18:36 [0gb_us] Any system can be messed up in some way.
18:36 Jordach yes
18:36 Exio if it says 'this is a joke' in red, they will not read it
18:36 Exio because it was AFTER the command
18:36 Jordach Linux is not better than windows
18:37 Exio linux is better because opensourceness
18:37 Jordach in any form of security
18:37 Jordach **
18:37 [0gb_us] EVERYTHING is better than Windows. Linux is no exception.
18:37 kaeza lol
18:37 khonkhortisan single-character line endings are better
18:37 Exio linux lacks some stuff
18:37 [0gb_us] OS X, DOS, BSD, ... all better.
18:37 Exio like the lastest and supercool(tm) shitty FPS
18:37 Jordach [0gb_us], you know why windows won the OS war? it WORKED ON ALL THE HARDWARE.
18:37 khonkhortisan even dos?
18:37 [0gb_us] I don't kbnow on Amega. It might be worse, I don't know enough to make that call.
18:38 Jordach because x86 is the only decent cpu architecture
18:38 [0gb_us] Yes, even DOS.
18:38 Jordach (during the 90s)
18:38 Jordach DOS == Windows 9x
18:38 Exio Jordach: it won because monopoly - and because that is how the capitalism works
18:38 [0gb_us] No. DOS is not WIndows.
18:38 Exio "the one with the shitty stuff, and the most clear shit in the hand, wins!"
18:38 Jordach [0gb_us], windows 1-3.x
18:38 [0gb_us] Windows doesn't even run on top of DOS these days.
18:38 Jordach 95 still used dos
18:38 Exio til ME
18:38 Jordach [0gb_us], true
18:39 Jordach yeah
18:39 Exio windows is k
18:39 [0gb_us] Old Windows, before Windows was an operating system, ran on DOS, yes.
18:39 Exio not good
18:39 Exio now windows uses nt
18:39 Jordach [0gb_us], you called the monolithic win systems better than NT based
18:39 Exio both of them sucks anyway - so lol
18:39 Exio windows is ok
18:39 Exio but microsoft does shitty stuff as "marketing"
18:40 Jordach because i cant find any decent software that runs perfectly on linux
18:40 Exio what software?
18:40 Exio it runs better than perfect for me
18:40 Jordach basic crap
18:40 [0gb_us] I am saying Windows the opweating system, not the thing that used to ba called Windows but wasn't yet an operating system.
18:40 PilzAdam Jordach, strange, I have that feeling in windows
18:40 Jordach hurr durr
18:40 Exio PilzAdam: exactly
18:41 Jordach oh whats 90 of the minetest player base?
18:41 rubenwardy [0gb_us] is very bias
18:41 Jordach 90%*
18:41 Jordach WINDOWS.
18:41 [0gb_us] Windows doesn't even let me select partial words in most applications. Windows applications are the buggy ones.
18:41 Exio Jordach: do you know what happened in all the history i read
18:41 Jordach Minetest would be nothing without it
18:41 [0gb_us] rubenwardy: I am very bias. I know that. That doesn't make me wrong.
18:41 Jordach same for MC actually.,
18:41 Jordach -,
18:42 rubenwardy But it makes you exaggerated
18:42 Exio ragequit
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18:43 [0gb_us] I do exaggerate, to get my point across. When I don't exaggerate, people have a tenancy to ignore me.
18:43 Jordach Exio, laptop wireless
18:44 Jordach its horrible
18:44 Exio Jordach: the wireless works in my linux box
18:44 Exio </shittyargument>
18:44 Jordach Exio, the wireless router is a cheapy ISP one
18:44 [0gb_us] Jordach: My Xubuntu laptop gets great wireless.
18:44 Jordach and this house is bad with tech (it breaks often(
18:45 Jordach [0gb_us], most wireless chips use the same channels
18:45 [0gb_us] So they configured it specifically for WIndows, maybe. Targetting Windows doesn't magically make it better.
18:45 Jordach thats why it probably works fine
18:45 * Jordach turns to AMD and nVidia
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18:45 Jordach [0gb_us], ^
18:45 Exio amd cpu - nvidia gpu here
18:45 [0gb_us] I'm on AMD, and I do just fine.
18:46 Exio in a linux box, working more than perfectly
18:46 Exio as windows is a piece of shit with the bulldozer arch
18:46 Jordach Exio, good luck with your 32bit timestamp
18:46 Exio gen* or w/e
18:46 Exio Jordach: timestamp?
18:46 Jordach 2048 is your doom
18:46 Exio wat
18:47 ShadowNinja Unix time is stored in a 32 bit integer
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18:47 ShadowNinja It is close to running out
18:47 [0gb_us] I hear there are plans for a new timestamp format.
18:47 Kray all modern systems use 64 bit integer
18:47 Kray so no
18:48 [0gb_us] I think the current OFFICIAL format is 32 bit, but in practice, systems use 64 bit, kray.
18:48 Kray what "official"
18:48 Exio posix?
18:48 Kray and it is not a format
18:48 [0gb_us] THe UNIX timestamp specification.
18:49 Exio ah, the y2k unix
18:49 Jordach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
18:49 Exio i'm a bit slow with dat stuff
18:49 [0gb_us] Okay, format was the wrong word.
18:49 Jordach youre buggered
18:49 Jordach windows isnt
18:49 Exio Jordach: the last time i tried using a >2038 date in my laptop (x86) didn't work
18:49 [0gb_us] But the point is, Jordach's point is is valid in theory, but not in practice.
18:50 Exio suddenly
18:50 Exio here, x86_64/amd64/64bits
18:50 Jordach unix timestamp breaks
18:50 Exio works :o
18:50 Jordach Exio, embedded unix systems == air traffic control systems
18:50 Kray no standard or specification requires that time_t is 32-bit
18:50 Jordach everything is fucked :)
18:51 Kray it is implementation specific
18:51 Kray and even some would, it doesn't matter
18:51 Kray all modern systems use 64 bit values
18:51 * [0gb_us] just scrolled to the year 2267, with no glitches
18:51 Jordach windows doesnt use that type of time stamp
18:51 [0gb_us] ^ Jordach
18:51 Jordach [0gb_us], again, not everyone is 64bit
18:52 Kray Jordach: it system architechture doesn't matter
18:52 [0gb_us] I could go further, but I have better things to do than scroll through a calendar.
18:52 Jordach everyone still makes 32bit default
18:52 kaeza <[0gb_us]> I do exaggerate, to get my point across. When I don't exaggerate, people have a tenancy to ignore me. <-- exaggeration == lies
18:52 Kray Jordach: all modern systems, including those running on 32-bit x86, use 64-bit time_t
18:52 [0gb_us] People do ignore me when I don't exaggerate a little. Not a lie.
18:52 Kray it is not in any way bound to hardware architechture
18:52 Jordach [0gb_us], i used ubuntu and windows before
18:53 [0gb_us] Also, I bet 32 bit Windows has a timestamp issue as well ....
18:53 Exio two windows(es)
18:53 Jordach at least it isnt y2k
18:53 Jordach [0gb_us], nope. windows has 100 yeqrs
18:53 Jordach years
18:53 Jordach which you then move the starting year up
18:53 kaeza [0gb_us], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration
18:53 Jordach (starts on 1970)
18:54 [0gb_us] I know what exaggeration is.
18:54 Jordach which then you move up to 2010 to use 2110
18:54 [0gb_us] Jordach: I don't see your point. Our time issue isn't synced with the Windows time issue. So?
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18:55 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/GswY6Lj.png
18:55 [0gb_us] Jordach: I don't see your point. Our time issue isn't synced with the Windows time issue. So?
18:55 Jordach i just saw my lag count :)
18:55 Jordach OK
18:55 Exio i'll leave this pc for 292,277,026,296 years - then it will die
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18:56 [0gb_us] WHat's with the screen shot? THe lag count then?
18:56 Exio Jordach: [15:53:05] <Exio> two windows(es)
18:56 Exio for you, ubuntu and windows
18:56 Jordach anyone up for 2.92277026296 * 10^11
18:56 Jordach standard form ftw
18:56 Jordach anyways, im going home in a bit
18:56 Jordach later
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19:06 rubenwardy Minetest reliable sources search: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbcG5Zg2bFOMTW_3EgFeIGKqvcA-Lhp-mGdDOaiQKP4/edit?usp=sharing
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19:08 Calinou_ getminecraftforfree.org
19:08 Calinou_ loool
19:08 Calinou_ anyway, why make something else for sources?
19:08 Calinou_ wikipedia was alwas directed by #debian operators
19:08 StrayBytes Hello, why was my "goodbye" topic deleted? It had sparked a useful conversation, so the only explanation I see is that the devs/forum admins do not want something to be shown. Naturally this is quite suspicious.
19:09 Calinou_ StrayBytes, first: this isn't censorshop
19:09 Calinou_ censorship*
19:09 StrayBytes What did happen, then?
19:09 rubenwardy #debian operators?
19:09 StrayBytes There was a good on-topic coversation in the bottom of the first and second page.
19:09 rubenwardy do you mean forge sources?
19:09 Calinou_ rubenwardy, go figure :>
19:09 Calinou_ StrayBytes, on topic? again debating on "hey, minetest is a ripoff, let's add more obsidian types"
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19:10 StrayBytes It just seems moderately suspicious, but I'm naturally suspicious of all of this.
19:10 Menche what was the reason for deleting?
19:10 StrayBytes And what you mention deserves closing, not deleting.
19:10 Menche would say that doesn't even need closing
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19:11 StrayBytes Closing at most.
19:12 Calinou_ what's the point in keeping a closed "goodbye" topic? so that people can look at another pointless debate?
19:12 StrayBytes I don't think the "this is another ripoff or not" thread is really a good excuse.
19:12 Menche what's the point of closing it at all?
19:12 markveidemanis Anyone want to give the missile mod a shot?
19:12 Calinou_ development is NOT democratic, remember that
19:12 StrayBytes It evoked a bit of duscussion once again on how we are unable to work smoothly.
19:12 StrayBytes It is not democratic, but it is also not elitist.
19:13 StrayBytes What's next? It's renamed BACK to communisticraft for good?
19:13 Calinou_ I don't see any elitism in the current system of development; there are core devs and it's fine this way
19:13 Calinou_ no, a rename is unlikely, see what c-fifty-five replied
19:14 StrayBytes I'm naturally paranoid when I see a topic that is mildly controversial but not deletion-worthy deleted.
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19:15 [0gb_us] I would be suspicious as well.
19:15 Calinou_ suspicious about what?
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19:16 Menche i do think mods tend to be a bit too quick to close threads
19:16 StrayBytes Calinou_: The deletion in question.
19:16 Calinou_ well, go to the minecraft forums, you'll see 8)
19:17 [0gb_us] Someone deleted jordan's harmless topic about robots too.
19:17 jin_xi well, idk what to make of all this but one thing is for sure: stop making "i'm leaving", "goodbye" and such topics...
19:17 Menche there's been quite a few of those lately
19:18 kahrl_ maybe all the thread could have been merged?
19:18 jin_xi yes, others left quietly
19:18 kahrl_ threads
19:18 [0gb_us] Don't worry, when I leave, I will make no such topic.
19:18 kahrl_ although that could have been confusing
19:18 jin_xi its preferable, but still bad
19:18 Calinou_ [0gb_us], which one? about robots? I don't remember any
19:18 StrayBytes I understand a "goodbye, haha" topic being deleted, but not one that has evoked a bit of useful discussion. Just delete the useLESS replies.
19:19 jin_xi its hard to do this stuff right...
19:19 [0gb_us] Jordan posted in "problems and issues" (or whatever the category is called) that Minetest has no robots.
19:19 Calinou_ "I am quitting Minetest. I'm fed up with this minetest-dev drama. Take this into consideration (or don't, I don't care)."
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19:19 Calinou_ well, you just said minetest-dev is "drama" and nothing else
19:21 Calinou_ [0gb_us], not me IIRC, but that sounds like a troll
19:21 [0gb_us] You? I said JORDAN, not you.
19:22 Calinou_ not me as in, "I didn't delete it"
19:22 Calinou_ ;)
19:22 [0gb_us] OH! Got it.
19:23 [0gb_us] It was spam. And yes, Jordan is a troll. But he's harmless, and that topic was actually funny.
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19:24 Calinou_ this isn't a forum about fun, post on /r/funny instead
19:24 jin_xi well, harmless... he's started delete-editing his topics
19:24 [0gb_us] So it should have been moved to off topic, not deleted.
19:25 [0gb_us] Well, that topic was harmless anyway.
19:25 Menche why not leave it alone? it would just get buried by more useful stuff as people ignore it
19:25 rubenwardy bye all
19:26 [0gb_us] People were not ignoring it. THey were responding, thinking he really though the no robots thing was a problem.
19:26 [0gb_us] Bye.
19:26 [0gb_us] *thought
19:26 Menche anyway, i don't think that topic was really hurting anything
19:26 [0gb_us] Exactly!
19:26 [0gb_us] It didn't need to be deleted.
19:27 Menche don't think a topic should be closed unless people are actually trying to insult others, and then, just the bad part could be deleted
19:27 [0gb_us] Me neither.
19:27 Calinou_ again: this is a minetest forum, not a general purpose one
19:27 Telek Wouldn't a better solution be to lock it and give a reason why at the bottom?
19:27 [0gb_us] But then again, not my forum, not my rules.
19:28 Menche i think some topics have been closed just because some mod thought someone *might* be offended by it later on
19:28 markveidemanis What does the construct mod do?
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19:29 Calinou_ http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87656#p87656
19:29 Calinou_ http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5173
19:29 Calinou_ two drama topics for you :P
19:30 Menche drama? they don't seem *that* heated
19:30 Menche so it's a discussion where different people have opposing ideas
19:30 Menche they're not hurling insults
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19:31 Calinou_ well, feel free to talk around in these topics, but it would probably have little influence on the core devs
19:32 Menche but i don't think they should be closed or deleted
19:32 Exio i think they are useless
19:32 Calinou_ just avoid creating "I'm leaving" topics; noone cares, instead edit your signature to do that
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19:38 john_minetest I first thought these topics would bring an advantage but now I have read all these drama threads and they suck.
19:38 Calinou_ thexyz, what do you think about adding a "game" part to your dev wiki, then tweaking http://wiki.minetest.net so that it redirects to http://dev.minetest.net? this way we can host everything, it'd be MUCH better in the long run.
19:39 Calinou_ ("Game/" namespace?)
19:39 Calinou_ the whole .com thing is a bit sloppy
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19:39 Calinou_ it's not hosted by us and feels inconsistent
19:39 Calinou_ migrating could be done quickly, both sites use mediawiki
19:42 john_minetest !up c55.me
19:42 MinetestBot c55.me:30000 seems to be down
19:43 Menche there's no minetest server there
19:43 Calinou_ !up c55.me:30001
19:43 MinetestBot Calinou_: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
19:43 Calinou_ !up c55.me 30001
19:43 MinetestBot c55.me:30001 seems to be down
19:43 Calinou_ there used to be a server there :P
19:43 Calinou_ back in 0.4.2-rc1 days
19:43 john_minetest yeah. I wonder what capactiy the server could reach. There was a test once but I missed it.
19:43 Menche you mean after c55 shut it down after getting fed up with griefing?
19:44 Menche that test was on minetest.ru i think
19:44 john_minetest http://c55.me/blog/?p=1199
19:44 john_minetest this test
19:46 Menche did anything come of that?
19:46 Menche !up minetest.ru 30001
19:46 MinetestBot minetest.ru:30001 seems to be down
19:48 Calinou_ !server sky
19:48 MinetestBot Calinou_: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com | Clients: 10/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.226
19:48 Calinou_ !server Sky hardcore
19:48 MinetestBot Calinou_: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com | Clients: 10/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.226
19:48 Calinou_ hmm
19:48 sfan5 !server name:sky
19:48 MinetestBot sfan5: No results
19:48 sfan5 !server name:hardcore
19:48 MinetestBot sfan5: No results
19:49 Calinou_ !server name:Sky hardcore
19:49 MinetestBot Calinou_: No results
19:49 Calinou_ http://servers.minetest.net/ <= well, it's here
19:49 john_minetest there should be a new stress test because we are much more testers now.
19:49 sfan5 Calinou_: !server is a bit broken right now
19:49 Calinou_ I've griefed Guest9770's buildings, I removed 400+ ladders, and best of all: I enclosed their chests in my own locked chests >:D
19:49 Calinou_ also I got mese and diamond
19:49 Calinou_ tons of wood + apples
19:50 Calinou_ they can't open their chests now :P
19:50 Calinou_ well, it's hard if you're not lagging
19:50 john_minetest 0/10, 4   => what does the "4" mean?
19:50 Calinou_ he wasn't here, so I took my time
19:50 Calinou_ max amount of players at same time since server was started
19:50 sfan5 john_minetest: ^
19:50 john_minetest okay
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19:51 ShadowNinja sfan5: ,,(server --name sky)
19:51 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Sky hardcore | 80.240.216.69:30010 | Clients: 2/6 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.158
19:51 sfan5 Calinou_: nice, i stole guest9770 iron and tried to fight him but failed..
19:51 Calinou_ he has mese sword
19:51 Calinou_ but I have one too :P and 40 apples
19:51 Calinou_ he seems to be quite clever, he tried to enclose me with blocks once
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19:51 Calinou_ he built a nice desert sand + glass building... which I griefed :3
19:52 john_minetest why am I not allowed to log in at minetest.ru?
19:52 Calinou_ you need to register an account there, all that
19:52 john_minetest oh, okay
19:52 Calinou_ too complicated to bother 8)
19:53 john_minetest the website seems to be complete russian. And I can't really understand much.
19:53 RealBadAngel whos Guest9770?
19:55 RealBadAngel john_minetest, switch language then (at the top, to the right)
19:55 Calinou_ if you put no nickname, your name is Guest**** :P
19:56 john_minetest oh, nice. I think i will look for an other server than minetest.ru. Is there an official server like c55.me?
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19:56 sfan5 !server hardcore
19:56 MinetestBot sfan5: Sky hardcore | 80.240.216.69:30010 | Clients: 2/100 | Version: 0.4.6 hardcore | ping: 0.153
19:56 Menche still can't decide on a nickname?
19:56 sfan5 !server ping:least
19:56 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest❤Ru | minetest.ru | Clients: 0/100 | Version: 0.4.5 | ping: 0.097
19:56 us_0gb Client errors.
19:57 sfan5 !server ping:most
19:57 MinetestBot sfan5: 0gb.us's simple server | 0gb.us | Clients: 1/100 | Version: 0.4.6 0gb.us | ping: 0.284
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19:58 khonkhortisan [0gb_us] has left #minetest
19:59 john_minetest http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5810 => Wiki with all stuff like crafting recipes would be cool.
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19:59 us_0gb I get this error:
19:59 us_0gb Nick or channel is temporarily unavailable.
19:59 us_0gb [0gb_us]
19:59 us_0gb I don't know why, but it looks like I can't use that name for now.
20:00 * us_0gb pulls out backup name
20:00 Calinou_ if you enforce name protection and you are renamed, it'll be protected for a few minutes
20:00 Calinou_ I'm named Calinou_ for a reason :P
20:01 us_0gb Why was I renamed though?
20:01 * us_0gb shakes head
20:03 us_0gb Meh. I think I'll use my other name, if I can't be 0gb.us or [0gb_us]
20:04 ShadowNinja :-( I set umode +R because of spammers and now my server can't message me
20:05 RealBadAngle|361 Register your server's name.
20:05 RealBadAngle|361 registered my server's name.
20:05 RealBadAngle|361 *I
20:06 ShadowNinja Yes, I will have to do that, that make three accounts, or I could group it
20:07 Calinou add an antispam to your bot :P
20:07 RealBadAngle|361 Crossover from the Ubuntu Software Center is failing to install. I think it's a sign.
20:07 Calinou ban-forward them to #redeclipse, every 30 seconds, your bot types "~obit <banned_guy>" in #redeclipse
20:07 Calinou RealBadAngel, crossover? pfft
20:07 sfan5 Calinou: lol
20:08 Calinou wine runs trackmania fine here, don't need more 8)
20:08 john_minetest !up vanessae.mine.bz
20:08 MinetestBot vanessae.mine.bz:30000 is up (0.400ms)
20:08 RealBadAngle|361 I'm Angle, not Angel.
20:08 Shadow-Server *****@***.*** has too many accounts registered.
20:08 Calinou RealBadAngle|361 is 0gb.us...
20:08 Calinou the angle is a spy!
20:09 RealBadAngle|361 I'm'a see if my name is back from whatever lockdown it was in.
20:09 RealBadAngle|361 Nope. [0gb_us] is still unavailable.
20:10 john_minetest my minetest client takes ages to connect to a server
20:11 ShadowNinja RealBadAngle|361: /msg nickserv release
20:11 RealBadAngle|361 Calinou: Crossover and PlayOnLinux keep applications running in separate containers, unlike vanilla Wine. I don't often need any of the three, but I just installed my operating system, so I'm installing it for when I need it in the future.
20:12 RealBadAngle|361 Release? Doesn't that unregister?
20:12 RealBadAngle|361 ShadowNinja: ^
20:12 ShadowNinja No, it releases a services enforcer, you are thinking of drop
20:12 kahrl_ looks like guest9770 left
20:12 khonkhortisan hi RBA
20:13 RealBadAngle|361 Then I still have a name I don't want.
20:14 Calinou wineprefixes can run them in separate environmentzs
20:14 khonkhortisan octorobot-spy
20:14 RealBadAngle|361 Nope, it's gone.
20:14 Calinou -z
20:14 Calinou also, PAYING FOR A LINUX APP? ARE YOU INSANE? :3
20:14 Calinou </sarcasm>
20:14 khonkhortisan linux has apps?
20:14 ShadowNinja RealBadAngle|361: Are you getting "nick or channel not currently available" or similar?
20:14 Calinou it has hats
20:15 RealBadAngle|361 ShadowNinja: I used release to erase NotReallyNick a while back, and it is gone. I used release, not drop.
20:15 RealBadAngle|361 ShadowNinja: Yes, that's the message I get.
20:16 ShadowNinja You must have used drop, see help release and help drop
20:16 ShadowNinja I have used it before
20:16 RealBadAngle|361 I didn't use drop, I didn't even know there was a drop command.
20:16 RealBadAngle|361 Crossover Ubuntu Edition? Why is there an Ubuntu-specific edition?
20:20 sfan5 good night guys
20:21 RealBadAngle|361 Good night.
20:22 RealBadAngle|361 Twitter needs to STOP SPAMMING ME. I signed up for ONE contest, which I lost, and now I get endless emails from them. I wonder if I can delete my Twitter account ....
20:23 Calinou tip: use an email client such as thunderbird, blacklist them
20:25 iqualfragile what happened to OldCoder he never says anything anymore
20:25 OldCoder Hi
20:25 OldCoder iqualfragile, it may be settled soon
20:25 OldCoder If things go well, I will return
20:25 OldCoder Otherwise, I will be gone
20:26 john_minetest VanessaE's server is so confusing because it changed so much since I joined last time. All minecart tracks are taken away and streets and epic buildings added. And teleporters.
20:27 RealBadAngle|361 Email clients download emails to my computer, were I don't want them.
20:28 RealBadAngle|361 She reset her world a while back. Some sort of errors, I think she said.
20:29 Calinou it's not like mails are ridiculously heavy
20:30 Calinou I manage three accounts with thunderbird, I use 1GB of disk space at most
20:30 RealBadAngle|361 It's not the size I mind, it's the clutter.
20:30 Calinou clutter is irrelevant
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20:30 RealBadAngle|361 Keeping them on the web, I have no clutter.
20:30 Calinou a minetest world is cluttered, it has many trees that aren't cut
20:31 ShadowNinja Use IMAP
20:31 Menche i thought the mail wasn't downloaded with the imap4 protocol
20:31 Calinou gmail ftw
20:31 Calinou that's the only service I use from google :P
20:31 RealBadAngle|361 But a Minetest world doesn't get in my way. Or rather, the trees don't get in my way when I'm working outside Minetest.
20:31 RealBadAngle|361 Yeah, I use Gmail for one feature: I get to use my own domain.
20:31 Calinou john_minetest, "minecart tracks? aaaaaaaand it's gone." :P
20:32 john_minetest xD
20:32 iqualfragile OldCoder: "things"?
20:33 RealBadAngle|361 Menche: I don't know mail protocols. BUt if that doesn't download them, I still have to deal with the Twitter spam at http://mail.google.com/, so ....
20:33 Calinou can't you blacklist contacts in gmail's webmail too? pretty sure you can do that
20:33 RealBadAngle|361 I registered Crossover, and I see NO changes. What was the point?
20:33 khonkhortisan tech support?
20:34 Calinou tech support, a few updates ahead of wine
20:34 Calinou wine is stripped down crossover, slightly older
20:34 RealBadAngle|361 Calinou: If it comes to that, I'll see if that can be done. First, I'll try to delete my Twitter account though.
20:34 Calinou and without commercial support
20:34 Calinou how people feel when they buy a linux app: http://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/aia.gif
20:34 RealBadAngle|361 No, I already have the support, but I registered in the application. Like, I input my account details.
20:35 Calinou "registering" is usually a way to know your email to send you ads :P
20:35 Calinou almost all OEMs do that :P
20:36 RealBadAngle|361 Except that I had to input the email and password from my existing CodeWeavers account. They got no new email address, as they accept no new email address through that method.
20:38 john_minetest !up minetest.org 30001
20:38 MinetestBot minetest.org:30001 is up (0.497ms)
20:41 RealBadAngle|361 Okay. Twitter says they'll delete my account in thirty days.
20:43 RealBadAngle|361 I log in to shut down my account because of emails, and they send me an email about how I haven't logged in for quite a while ... ironic.
20:44 [0gb_us] YES! I have my name back.
20:45 iqualfragile oh, right i have a one year crossover license lying around…
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20:45 iqualfragile no idea what i should do with it
20:46 [0gb_us] I think mine's one year too, but I forget one year from when ...
20:46 Calinou sell them, disguised as a minecraft gift code
20:46 Calinou :trollface:
20:48 [0gb_us] Mine expires at the end of October, according to my records.
20:49 [0gb_us] Do you know how many applications I've installed with Crossover? Two. And I don't even use those applications any more.
20:50 [0gb_us] Still, it's handy to keep around, just in case.
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20:57 OldCoder iqualfragile, another time
20:59 iqualfragile ok, if its a healt problem i hope that you get well and do so soon
21:03 Calinou gtg, night
21:04 [0gb_us] Good night.
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21:09 [0gb_us] I found the name problem. I was trying to log into Freenode and log into Ubuntu IRC. Apparently, they are the same network.
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21:11 [0gb_us] And ... settings fixed.
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21:16 john_minetest There should be an official minetest server. It is difficult to decide which to join when there are so many servers but fragmented. An official server would bring people together much more.
21:17 john_minetest *fragmented user counts
21:17 * Menche agrees
21:17 [0gb_us] Can one server handle most users though? And who would run it? celeron55 took down his.
21:18 Menche should an official server have mods installed?
21:18 Menche i'm thinking no
21:18 [0gb_us] Definitely not. Official server, official game.
21:18 Menche maybe that would be incentive to add more stuff to the official game :P
21:18 [0gb_us] Not even /home or protection.
21:19 * [0gb_us] really likes protection
21:19 john_minetest <[0gb_us]> Can one server handle most users though? <= This is the question. At least it would be good for testing how many users minetest can handle.
21:19 iqualfragile of course not
21:19 iqualfragile no mods
21:19 Menche i threw a dozen clients on my pentium4 server and it handled it fine
21:19 iqualfragile but it would quickly lead to an 'server' gamemode beeing added to minetest…
21:19 [0gb_us] Good point, john_minetest. That could be good.
21:20 Menche of course, they were all in the same location
21:20 iqualfragile it think that bandwidth might be more of a problem
21:20 [0gb_us] True.
21:20 Menche i have had more problems with cpu than with bandwidth
21:21 Menche the connection i had when i first started my server couldn't stream a low res youtube video smoothly
21:21 john_minetest A FEW mods should be. Like protection. Maybe using the main server as a dev server, always the latest version of minetest and minetest_game. So many people can test the newest improvements.
21:21 [0gb_us] john_minetest: No, not unless added to the official game.
21:22 Menche should there be a minetest testing repo? sort of like the old minetest-delta?
21:22 [0gb_us] Dev server sounds fine, but if it's an official server, and a plugin is good enough to be used there, it should be added to the official game.
21:22 john_minetest The official minetest_game follows other directions than a server minetest_game. In SP you will not need protections. In MP it is sometimes nessecary to avoid too much griefing.
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21:23 [0gb_us] Why am I debating this? I don't even care any more ....
21:23 iqualfragile Menche: but now we have luajit, wich boost performance a LOT and we dont need to use an old pentium
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21:23 Menche don't need to use an old pentium
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21:23 Menche that's really the only computer i can leave at home all the time
21:24 john_minetest Hmmm... I think a dev server with latest minetest_game and a (maybe official) server utils modpack would be great.
21:24 Menche or put the server stuff in another .lua script
21:25 Menche and if minetest.setting_get("server") == true then dofile(server.lua) end
21:26 john_minetest Sounds good. So everything is bundled in minetest_game and every mod is up to date, also the server mods. No seperated repos, no compatibility issues.
21:26 iqualfragile Menche: more like if singleplayer== false
21:26 Menche lol, whatever
21:26 iqualfragile (as technicaly even a singleplayer game starts a server)
21:26 Menche maybe use the server_dedicated setting
21:27 iqualfragile and it should be saved per world and not per computer
21:27 Menche well, should starting a game from the "advanced" tab be considered singleplayer? probably some people use that to start a multiplayer server
21:27 Menche idk, i wouldn't use a per-world setting
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21:28 drdre_ http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Getting_Started
21:29 Menche LOL
21:29 Menche just doesn't quit
21:30 Menche at least that's the "dead" wiki
21:30 drdre_ yeah "dead"
21:30 Menche as in, you can still update it but nobody does
21:30 drdre_ true
21:32 Menche maybe they should have another documentation sprint on irc to get that thing updated
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21:32 Menche is there an "official" player wiki?
21:33 PilzAdam the one at minetest.com is kinda official
21:33 khonkhortisan The dev wiki doesn't overlap the Read tab at low horizontal resolution
21:33 Menche there's nothing at wiki.minetest.net and dev.minetest.net is just for development
21:33 drdre_ http://dev.minetest.net/Engine_structure
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21:34 Menche *sigh*
21:34 PilzAdam Menche, wiki.minetest.com is not dead
21:34 Menche it is out of date
21:34 PilzAdam that doesnt mean noone can update it
21:34 Menche but nobody does
21:34 Kacey|school hi all
21:35 Menche <Menche> maybe they should have another documentation sprint on irc to get that thing updated
21:35 Menche hi
21:35 drdre_ http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.inventorycube
21:35 Menche can somebody ban that jerk before he overwrites the entire wiki?
21:36 khonkhortisan To undo a page, I have to pass a check because I'm adding external links
21:36 drdre_ what does that mean?
21:36 khonkhortisan Select all the cat photos.
21:37 drdre_ whats hard about that/
21:37 khonkhortisan I'm undoing a revision, not adding content.
21:38 john_minetest just looked at the minecraft wiki page. It was much better a few years ago. Too much content now.
21:38 khonkhortisan http://dev.minetest.net/Special:Contributions/LandMine
21:39 drdre_ nice
21:39 PilzAdam Menche, done
21:39 drdre_ what a kerk that guy is
21:40 khonkhortisan The contributions were undone.
21:40 drdre_ jerk**
21:40 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, please dont revert spam if the user isnt blocked and still active
21:40 khonkhortisan ?
21:40 PilzAdam it makes it harder to revert it
21:40 khonkhortisan oh, okay.
21:41 john_minetest gtg, bye
21:41 NotAidan Who blanked the proposal proposal?!
21:41 NotAidan (this is Rarkenin)
21:42 Menche was that one of the pages landmine hit?
21:42 NotAidan There was wiki vandalism?
21:42 kahrl_ it isn't blank for me
21:42 NotAidan In that case, I take my words back.
21:43 NotAidan Oh, and I was looking at thewrong URL. I take back my words.
21:43 drdre_ i wonder if it would be posble to not revert it
21:44 Menche "Rarkenin/Draft TCP network protocol"? that page looks blank to me
21:44 PilzAdam rarekin himself blanked it
21:44 PilzAdam http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Rarkenin/Draft_TCP_network_protocol&amp;diff=1171&amp;oldid=1170
21:45 PilzAdam *rarkenin
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21:47 PilzAdam I deleted Rarkenin/Draft TCP network protocol since he moved it to User:Rarkenin/Draft TCP network protocol
21:48 BlockMen who own minetest.com? someone of our community?
21:48 Menche a user named saxony
21:48 Menche he's on the forums but hasn't been active for a while
21:49 kahrl_ how's the java port coming along?
21:49 Exio kahrl_: working like a charm, look at it! minecraft.net
21:49 BlockMen Menche,ic
21:50 kahrl_ Exio: hmm, I just tried it, it crashed :(
21:50 Exio aww
21:52 Exio well
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21:53 sdzen https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/43
21:57 PilzAdam sdzen, pull requests are not the correct changes to suggest new textures
21:57 PilzAdam +place
21:57 sdzen eh
21:57 PilzAdam -changes
21:57 sdzen figured it was worth a shot
21:58 sdzen so what shady channel must I go through?
21:58 PilzAdam dunno
21:58 Menche lol
21:59 sdzen sounds like a rock solid system
21:59 Menche "how do i add x feature?" "dunno"
22:00 Menche the textures are part of the repo, why not use pull requests?
22:00 PilzAdam you can imagine that there are tons of people who want to change textures
22:00 sdzen I can
22:00 sdzen most people dont make requests
22:00 Menche well there has to be *some* way to request changes
22:00 PilzAdam we just dont have a system yet to handle it porperly
22:00 PilzAdam *properly
22:01 Menche and the ETA on that system is...
22:01 RealBadAngel If theres no other system then pull requests are valid way to do so
22:01 Menche "I'm sorry, we can't accept new features because we're working on a feature to accept features"
22:02 BlockMen lol
22:02 Menche can people request a way to handle requests?
22:02 RealBadAngel hehehe, it really looks like that
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22:02 BlockMen IMO its the best way atm...and when not wanted the pull request can be closed. i dont see a problem with that right now
22:02 sdzen the best way is to approach pilzadam via PM and beg him
22:03 sdzen thats how I got my animated fire in :P
22:03 PilzAdam ehm
22:03 Menche cue tons of spam in PilzAdam's PM
22:03 PilzAdam IIRC I added animated fire without you begging me
22:04 [0gb_us] While I don't use pull requests to change the textures myself, I'd have to agree, until a better system is set up, pull requests are the way.
22:04 sdzen haha thats only cause you needed it
22:04 sdzen vote on the forums maybe?
22:04 PilzAdam thats always a bad idea
22:05 sdzen it is
22:05 Menche why?
22:05 sdzen cause that never gets payed attention to
22:05 PilzAdam first of all the poll function in the forum is broken
22:05 Menche yes. somebody needs to fix that.
22:05 sdzen if polls got paid attention to, we would still be on the old default
22:05 PilzAdam second, there are more or less random people just voting without thinking about it
22:05 * sdzen remembers that poll
22:06 * Menche remembers a poll he did, because he never figured out how to get rid of it
22:06 sdzen it wasnt with the poll thing
22:06 PilzAdam sdzen, have you considered making a texture pack?
22:06 Menche the forum polls do need fixing
22:06 RealBadAngel still, core devs can vote for the change. easy to count votes
22:06 sdzen I have several.
22:07 * [0gb_us] remembers you can't change you mind on the polls if someone convinces you to see things their way
22:07 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, stop pushing aside any proposed changes to mods, tps or other game modes :P
22:07 sdzen thats why you dont use the poll thing
22:07 sdzen you just make a topic
22:07 sdzen that way peopel can change their minds
22:07 sdzen people*
22:07 Menche i asked one mod to delete it and was told that any *other* mod was able to, so i asked another mod and got the same response...
22:08 [0gb_us] Hmm. Odd.
22:08 sdzen you talk to darkrose as well?
22:08 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, the game is not only your vision but that what community wants and expecting.
22:08 [0gb_us] So all moderators are lesser ranked than all other moderators.
22:08 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, ehm... we talk about textures
22:08 sdzen lets leave the request there and see if the feedback is any good
22:09 sdzen hows that sound?
22:09 BlockMen good
22:09 Menche somebody needs to change that mese crystal texture
22:09 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, code, textures, music whatever. all is binary content :P
22:09 PilzAdam sdzen, I know exactly what will happen: some people like Zeg9 and Exio will post a "+1" and noone will ever merge it
22:09 [0gb_us] Adding numbers is not helpful to a topic.
22:10 sdzen then I will put it to a vote on the forums
22:10 sdzen without that stupid function
22:10 Exio PilzAdam: what
22:10 Exio tell me how many +1 i've posted
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22:10 RealBadAngel sdzen, btw i like that obsidian texture, but bricks sucks imho ;)
22:10 sdzen its better then the default
22:11 sdzen those were wayyyyyyy to flat
22:11 sdzen too*
22:11 sdzen and pruple
22:11 sdzen purple*
22:11 Menche anyone else think the mese crystal textures are ugly?
22:11 sdzen I think its looks better then the block
22:11 PilzAdam Exio, mabye not you
22:11 RealBadAngel bricks imho shall be some red/orange, not just red
22:11 PilzAdam I had your nick in mind for some reason
22:11 PilzAdam dunno
22:12 sdzen mine have hues of orange in them
22:12 BlockMen bricks must be dark red
22:12 sdzen see the screenshot I commented under it
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22:12 BlockMen like that http://powerpoint.sonyanancysims.com/mypictures/textures/largepicts/Bricks_red.jpg
22:12 PilzAdam we have changed the brick textures already some time ago
22:12 sdzen yes, and it was better before
22:12 PilzAdam we dont just change things just for the sake of changing
22:13 sdzen because IT WAS RED!
22:13 PilzAdam I dont like the gravel and obsidian
22:13 PilzAdam and the glass
22:13 [0gb_us] The old bricks were ugly. The new ones seem fine.
22:13 PilzAdam and the brick
22:14 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/DLoAY1q.png
22:14 RealBadAngel i have such texture for bricks
22:14 PilzAdam yay! bricks made out of oranges
22:15 BlockMen sdzen looks better than RBA's
22:15 sdzen http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87690#p87690
22:15 sdzen there
22:15 sdzen I don't believe in fancy schmancy automated poll whatsits
22:16 sdzen lets leave it to someone other then pilzadam.
22:16 RealBadAngel googling for bricks images will show you more orange than red :P
22:16 BlockMen sdzen, maybe a screenshot of current and yours would be nice...makes comparing easier
22:16 sdzen yes it would
22:17 sdzen uploading a second pic
22:17 sdzen though the obsidian should be changed
22:17 * Menche likes that obsidian
22:17 sdzen when I first saw it (I didn't know about the update) I thought it was bedrock from minecraft
22:18 BlockMen RBA, not really. most are terracotta, which is neither orange nor red :P
22:18 Menche wait, what obsidian? i like sdzen's proposed change
22:18 sdzen the default one
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22:21 RealBadAngel i like bricks like that: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bricks-4172.jpg
22:21 sdzen there. a second picture added for comparison
22:21 sdzen those are still redish
22:22 sdzen not really orange on my screen
22:22 Menche the gravel could perhaps use a bit more contrast, but i prefer sdzen's suggestions for all of those
22:22 RealBadAngel but not so pure red
22:22 sdzen I noticed that gravel uses a grand total of 4 colours
22:22 Menche there *are* bricks that color
22:23 BlockMen RBA, you rly like orange bricks :P
22:23 Menche the default obsidian looks like someone was playing with the gamma
22:23 BlockMen thats my fav: http://www.buildpro.com.au/downloads/Image/products/medium/Austral%20Bricks%20-%20Kooyong%2076-ce5140df15d046a66883807d18d0264b.jpg
22:23 Menche too dark
22:23 sdzen well I must dissapeer for now
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22:26 RealBadAngel anyway, those are real bricks, http://i.imgur.com/ogi60rJ.png ;)
22:26 Exio is that.. 16x16?
22:26 RealBadAngel ofc not
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22:27 BlockMen RealBadAngel, hmm, as long you like them and they dont become default ;)
22:28 Exio with real HD "res" you can make MT world look pretty nice
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22:30 iqualfragile most hd packs dont tile too well
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22:33 Exio only shaders are needed for that!
22:33 * VanessaE peeks in
22:33 VanessaE did someone say HD? :)
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22:34 Exio aww
22:34 Exio VanessaE: remove the highlight to "HD" and "HDX"!
22:34 VanessaE I don't have such a highlight.  I read the scrollback :)
22:35 SamuraiGhost there is a vandal on the wiki: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/LandMine
22:35 Menche wait, wasn't he blocked?
22:36 VanessaE wtf?  my wiki account is dead?
22:36 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, http://imgur.com/a/PXyaA#0 this doesnt tile well? ;)
22:37 Menche IMO, high res textures look out of place in a cube world.
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22:37 sapier https://github.com/sapier/moreores updated moreores to 0.4.6 ore functions
22:37 Menche sure, the textures are more detailed, but the landscape is made of cubes
22:38 Exio Menche: depends what "high res" textures
22:38 Exio i don't like very real textures
22:38 SamuraiGhost I don't know if they are blocked, but the changes have not been reverted
22:38 Exio but "HD" alone feels right for me
22:38 Menche don't care for anything above 32x
22:39 RealBadAngel thats why we do have texture packs
22:39 Exio with 128x i'm perfect
22:39 RealBadAngel some likes 16, some more
22:39 Menche really prefer 8x
22:39 Exio or 258, i don't really recall atm
22:40 Dogzill131 How can you find minetest by yourself?
22:40 Dogzill131 If you never heard of it?
22:40 VanessaE G*d damn it get rid of this fuckign cat captcha!
22:40 VanessaE thexyz: ^^^^^
22:40 Menche i found minetest by searching for minecraft on the AUR
22:40 VanessaE unable to revert landmine's vandalism on the "getting started" page because of that stupid captcha.
22:41 Dogzill131 AUR?
22:41 Menche Arch User Repository
22:41 Menche 3rd party software on Arch linux
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22:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://vkokoce.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trollface-hello-kitty-35216.jpg
22:42 jin_xi cant be so hard to find the cats?
22:42 VanessaE jin_xi: no matter how many times I go through it, the match fails.
22:42 Exio is there any way to "generate" a lot of terrain?
22:42 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: actualy that screenshot is quite a bad representation as there are nearly none continious planes
22:42 Exio (i want to generate a "big" part of the nether - because if not it is slow as hell)
22:43 PilzAdam "slow as hell" <- thats intentional
22:43 Dogzill131 Is there a easier way? I found it, but I mean if you want to find the game
22:43 jin_xi no such problems here, just select the cats...
22:43 jin_xi oh well
22:43 jin_xi i thought it was a nice captcha
22:43 jin_xi i like kittehs
22:43 VanessaE jin_xi: um, I'm not stupid.  I can tell a cat from a dog easily enough.
22:43 Exio PilzAdam: lol?
22:44 * PilzAdam likes making bad "hell" jokes about his nether mod
22:44 Menche does generating the nether lag the hell out of minetest? or into it...
22:45 PilzAdam hell yea!
22:45 * PilzAdam goes to hell
22:45 PilzAdam bye
22:45 Exio k
22:46 VanessaE fuck it.  someone else can fix it then.
22:47 VanessaE I don't have time to guess what the fucking captcha wants me to do.
22:47 jin_xi VanessaE: you can check here http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/asirra/
22:47 sapier1 I gave up on changeing something in wiki because of that damn captcha
22:47 VanessaE oh well no shit.
22:47 VanessaE I use firefox.
22:47 VanessaE microshit = made for IE.
22:48 BlockMen firefox WAS awesome
22:48 Menche lol, you can adopt a pet from the captcha
22:48 BlockMen firefo IS crap too
22:48 BlockMen *firefox
22:48 * Menche uses dwb
22:49 sapier1 if you know any better browser just tell me ;-)
22:49 Menche links?
22:49 Exio firefox is still pretty good
22:49 BlockMen SRWare Iron, a Chrome clone that doesnt send all to google
22:49 BlockMen :P
22:49 Exio as i still don't know any browser what is that tweak-able
22:50 sapier1 I hate chrom for starting the version race
22:50 Exio with firefox you can have your personal web-desktop in your browser
22:50 Exio sapier1: +1
22:50 BlockMen sapier1, Mozilla had not to join, they wanted
22:50 sapier1 its quite silly ... firefox 20 ...
22:50 Exio BlockMen: the users
22:51 BlockMen so dont hate Chrome, hate Mozilla (and the users :P)
22:51 sapier1 they had ... common users mind just looks to numbers ... same as mhz
22:51 BlockMen and i dont think so, look at IE users, they are alot behind ff and chrome
22:51 BlockMen or safari
22:51 BlockMen or opera
22:51 sapier1 does anyone install IE or safari on its own?
22:51 BlockMen ya :(
22:52 Exio i did
22:52 sapier1 both are bundled with os
22:52 Exio i needed a browser for my torture box
22:52 Exio so i used ie! :D
22:52 sapier1 i didn't ask for use but INSTALL ;-)
22:52 BlockMen srsly, why is wool not in "survival"??
22:52 jin_xi lol
22:53 jin_xi cotton kills
22:53 VanessaE BlockMen: oh we can't have THAT!  it doesn't help you KILL SHIT AND SURVIVE!  G*D forbid the idea.
22:53 Menche only there's nothing to kill in survival...
22:53 VanessaE yet...
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22:54 BlockMen VanessaE, umm...and how do you craft beds without wool??
22:54 Menche some people like the challenge of building nice stuff while surviving
22:54 VanessaE BlockMen: blame pilzadam.
22:54 BlockMen i have my own beds mod :P
22:54 [0gb_us] sapier1: Internet Explorer only has a Windows version. Internet Explorer always comes installed on Windows. So no one who can run it needs to install it on their own.
22:55 Exio in mc now what i have stacks of diamonds, an OP diamond armor-sword pair, and stuff
22:55 Exio i like building random and cute stuff
22:55 BlockMen 0gbus, "Internet Explorer always comes installed on Windows." Not in the EU
22:55 sapier1 that's exactly what I was aiming at ;-)
22:55 Menche i think you can run it in wine. now, why you would want to...
22:55 Exio like filling a whole island with pink-purple-magenta wool, making nether forests ... etc
22:55 [0gb_us] Oh, cool BlockMen.
22:56 sapier1 still firefox was really sluggish for some time ... current 20 version seams to perform way better ... still not good enough to fix githubs bad architecture
22:56 Menche github's fonts render reeaally bad in dwb
22:56 [0gb_us] I use Firefox because Opera won't stop crashing.
22:56 BlockMen does someone know why wool is still not added after i set "common_mods = ..., wool" at game.conf?
23:07 BlockMen nvm
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