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00:00 NakedFury yeah but dont tell that to my friend that wants to be a YA Romance writter. Young Adult
00:00 mauvebic frak this, frak that, or mix BSG and Lord of War and you get "frak you you frakking frak!" lol
00:00 NakedFury ohh frak. the most awesome invented swear word ever
00:00 mauvebic YA Romance writter == sex offender in most people's minds lol
00:01 NakedFury shes a girl. ALL she reads is young adult female protagonist stories that have Romance first then whatever the crap comes second
00:02 mauvebic though i was kidding, how does being a girl negate the possibility of being a sex offender? lol
00:02 NakedFury maybe it doesnt. she also has a cat. so she tells me she fits the profile of the old cat lady already
00:02 mauvebic so do i
00:03 NakedFury ill fit the profile of the weird old dog guy with badly kept lawn
00:03 mauvebic i have nicely kept gravel lol
00:03 mauvebic city's giving away free trees, think ill plant one lol
00:04 NakedFury wow free trees. you have to pay for trees
00:04 mauvebic well at the home depot type stores yeah, and theyre not always cheap
00:04 mauvebic otherwise you can go into the forest and grab one there, though i dont think its legal depending who owns the land
00:05 mauvebic besides, its pot-growing season, people lay traps, you dont go fucking around in the woods lol
00:05 NakedFury ohh I have seen the show following potheads and their farms
00:06 NakedFury fucking weird how they can do that and not tell the police
00:06 mauvebic the reason we can't have decent affordable housing is because of illegal indoor grow ups ruining the place
00:06 mauvebic the police can't keep up lol
00:07 mauvebic yo, i hear up to 90% of what is grown in quebec goes stateside, the remaining 10% is enough for the entire cdn east coast lol
00:07 NakedFury in a few years we will have cross the line and have a real life show following around a serial killer
00:07 mauvebic well, they already broadcast wars and terrorist hunts on live tv, so dunno what youre missing
00:08 NakedFury yeah and all protected with the amendments.
00:08 NakedFury need to check the spelling there
00:08 MinetestBot GIT: EXio4 commited to minetest/minetest: Ability to change the crosshair using textures 43a388ec53 2013-04-25T17:07:46-07:00 http://git.io/rxhtfA
00:08 mauvebic what is protected with amendments? (confused)
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00:09 NakedFury like the free speech, etc
00:09 NakedFury need to check that out, never read about them
00:10 mauvebic free speech yeah, though not garantees about funding for publication/broadcast lol
00:12 NakedFury does hexchat have spell checker?
00:12 mauvebic dunno i use xchat
00:13 NakedFury not working for me
00:13 mauvebic not crazy about hexchat's unique look when compared to every other window on my desktop
00:13 mauvebic if my windows don't look uniform, i have them taken out and shot
00:13 mauvebic :p
00:15 NakedFury woah this hannibal series starts strong
00:15 mauvebic yeah its actually not bad, for NBC lol
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00:17 mauvebic though going for a hitler look-alike was a bit too obvious for portraying hannibal
00:18 NakedFury the guy from Casino Royale
00:19 mauvebic and the red bathroom is an intentional reference to the overlook hotel in The Shining
00:22 NakedFury "this cannibal your getting to know, I think I can help Will see his face" ohh amazing for the killer to say this
00:22 mauvebic yeah well hannibal always got a kick out of helping the cops just enough to not quite get there in time lol
00:25 kaeza Lua sure is weird, I just found you can do arithmetic with strings O.o
00:25 NakedFury wow is he feeding him lung with eggs right now?
00:26 mauvebic he feeds all his victims to the people he's helping lol
00:27 NakedFury never saw the movies
00:27 mauvebic first two are good, you can skip the others lol
00:27 NakedFury I have a weak mind for horror, mistery, scary movies
00:27 mauvebic thats allright, horror and scary movies are pretty weak as of twenty years ago lol
00:31 NakedFury wow he called the killer dude
00:31 NakedFury a courtesy call
00:31 mauvebic of course lol
00:31 NakedFury wow this show is levels above other typical cop shows
00:32 mauvebic well its not really a cop show, its more a psych/serialkiller/cannibal show
00:33 NakedFury he is very calm about the situation. I like it
00:34 NakedFury I hate myself but I see me watching this next saturday or sunday
00:34 NakedFury the movies
00:34 mauvebic well he's very methodical lol
00:35 NakedFury I was talking about the part with the killers wife on the front porch with her throat cut and a pool of blood. Will is histerical and trembling but Hannibal is all " im good this is a sunny day, look ice cream"
00:36 mauvebic well he's nuts so yeah he gets a kick out of it lol
00:37 NakedFury no thanks to you I will watch the first two movies saturday and sunday
00:38 NakedFury remove the no. should be thanks to you...
00:39 mauvebic 3-4 were sucky though
00:39 NakedFury that happens. they tried to cash in on more money from the series
00:40 mauvebic like most movies lol
00:40 NakedFury Amuse-Bouche
00:40 NakedFury is that a plate name?
00:40 mauvebic its appetizers
00:41 NakedFury Amuse-Bouche bite sized hors duvre
00:41 NakedFury doeuvre
00:42 mauvebic yeah and the cheap ones at the grocery store are practically small enough to snort lol
00:43 NakedFury esno'rt doeuvre
00:44 mauvebic basil fawlty : "hors=d'oeuvres, which must be obeyed at all cost!" lol
00:45 mauvebic *hors d'oeuvres
00:46 NakedFury this series is the next Dexter
00:47 mauvebic never watched dexter, didn't like the trailers lol
00:47 NakedFury is hannibal supposed to be a guy that started that stuff after a first cannibal?
00:49 mauvebic naw hannibal's been at it for years/decades, they just pick up where he meets will graham in red dragon/manhunter movies
00:49 NakedFury ohh
00:49 NakedFury he just never left the bodies around to be found?
00:50 mauvebic not when you eat most of it and dispose of the rest
00:52 NakedFury wow second episode with creepy mushroom bodies
00:53 mauvebic lol
00:54 mauvebic ^ got yourself a mod idea
00:54 NakedFury mushrooms growing out of your dead body in the game?
00:55 mauvebic naw, killing players to get nice mushroom gardens :p
00:57 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Minor hud.cpp cleanup 0fb9567f13 2013-04-25T17:56:12-07:00 http://git.io/YcZ7eA
00:58 hmmmm kaeza:  all dynamically-typed languages are crazy.  see:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0EIZa5e9q4
01:03 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JmA2ClUvUY&NR=1&feature=endscreen
01:04 RealBadAngel mauvebic, its like in this joke, man is sittin on the edge of the cliff and keep sayin: 20, 20, 20... tourist goes by and heard that stopped and asks the men: are you counting something? no respond. so he looks down there trying to see what he is counting
01:04 RealBadAngel suddenly he felt off the cliff
01:04 RealBadAngel and man sitting: 21, 21,21...
01:06 RealBadAngel so more visitors to the mushroom garden it will become nicer ;)
01:06 mauvebic well you need player traps yeah (forcefields + motion detectors?)
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01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet fuck
01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet a function i have been setting up for an hour has failed
01:14 mauvebic ^ http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/jp5114c822.png
01:15 mauvebic or try again :p
01:24 Kacey Oh great! The voices in my head learned Chinese. At least when they learned Spanish i could understand a few words...
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01:47 jojoa1997|Tablet Minitest 1.4.2 will be released tomorrow
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02:12 kaeza fak
02:12 kaeza internetz weird again :(
02:15 kaeza kahrl, http://youtu.be/ZkqBpEAYcz4
02:17 khonkhortisan that's some horrible aim
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02:26 VanessaE well 13.04 certainly has an issue now...  doesn't work with my husband's webcam anymore.
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02:55 kahrl kaeza: nice
02:56 kahrl maybe there should be a way to change the wield item animation when you use an item
02:57 kaeza thanks :)
02:57 kaeza that would be awesome
02:57 kahrl use_anim='punch'/'recoil'/'none'/...
02:57 kaeza currently looks more like a pistol whip than anything else
03:03 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4562 if you want to test
03:07 kahrl I have to go to bed now though
03:07 kahrl night
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03:26 VanessaE back, for a short while
03:26 VanessaE (fixed the camera issue, in a very obscure way)
03:35 ssieb did you get an answer to why flowers weren't added to minetest_game?
03:39 VanessaE nope.
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03:56 kaeza the world is going crazy...
03:56 kaeza second post by Exio!!
03:58 Exio stop stalking me
03:58 Exio ! :P
03:59 * Exio is running /clearobjects on his map
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04:02 Exio 3233 exio4     20   0 4028M 3634M 47240 R 102. 30.3  3:31.30 ./bin/minetest
04:02 Exio w00t
04:05 Exio haha
04:05 Exio 3233 exio4     20   0 7332M 6958M 54532 R 98.0 58.0  6:34.03 ./bin/minetest
04:05 Exio finished :D
04:11 VanessaE ?
04:11 VanessaE oh.
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04:26 VanessaE http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8gsak6iF71r3qxnpo1_500.jpg
04:27 VanessaE shit just got real.
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04:28 VanessaE oops.
04:41 * Exio yawns
04:41 Exio good night
04:41 VanessaE night
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05:02 sfan5 !c 5270 / 5251
05:02 MinetestBot 1.00361836
05:03 sfan5 every user on the minetest forum created on avg. 1.00361836  topics
05:05 VanessaE wow
05:06 ssieb does anyone know about Traxie's ServerExtended mod?
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05:09 VanessaE no clue, sorry
05:11 ssieb it's ok, I think I just figured it out :-)
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05:16 jordan4ibanez I am exuberantly impressed with Ubuntu 12.04.
05:16 kaeza jordan4ibanez, http://youtu.be/ZkqBpEAYcz4
05:16 ssieb sokomine: are you there?
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05:17 jordan4ibanez kaeza: That is really cool. Can you make it so you can reload with rightclick?
05:17 kaeza shift+click to reload
05:18 jordan4ibanez Oh very nice.
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05:24 jordan4ibanez I guess it was not this hard disk, a virus must have ruined the sectors of my hard disk partition, causing extreme glitches.
05:26 jordan4ibanez Oh my gosh, I think Kazam might actually be advanced enough on 13.04 for me to make videos completely in Linux.
05:28 jordan4ibanez Are there daily builds of Minetest for Ubuntu?
05:29 VanessaE yes, there's a PPA
05:29 VanessaE or you can run my build.
05:30 jordan4ibanez What would be the difference of the Daily/Unstable apposed to your builds?
05:30 VanessaE just what I choose to include in my builds, e.g. curl, luajit, no freetype, the various games
05:31 VanessaE plus I make run-in-place builds
05:31 VanessaE (as well as debs and slackware tarballs)...I don't know that there's a nightly repo for that
05:31 jordan4ibanez Could you create a latest run in place build PPA with luajit, or have you already done so?
05:32 VanessaE sure, gimme 5 mins.
05:32 jordan4ibanez Why, thank you.
05:32 VanessaE I only build for amd64 though
05:32 VanessaE I assume you can run that
05:32 sfan5 hi jordan4ibanez
05:32 jordan4ibanez I run AMD64.
05:33 jordan4ibanez Hello sfan5.
05:33 VanessaE ok
05:33 jordan4ibanez I would build this myself, but I want to try to keep this system clean of -dev packages for as long as I can stand.
05:36 jordan4ibanez As I said that, TF2 installs, the irony.
05:36 sfan5 tf2 \o/
05:37 jordan4ibanez I shall play against you to the death sfan5. o/
05:37 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85954
05:38 VanessaE let me know if that works for you.
05:38 hmmmm \(・ω・\)
05:38 VanessaE ?
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05:39 jordan4ibanez VanessaE, would this be in the "Debian/Ubuntu packages" under the alias, "LuaJIT"?
05:39 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: no, you'd want one of the "minetest-git" packages
05:40 VanessaE the luajit lib is in case it won't run using your system's luajit.
05:40 jordan4ibanez Oh why thank you.
05:41 jordan4ibanez Oh my gosh. Firefox finally did it right, the download section, actually does not open in a new window.
05:41 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: http://ompldr.org/vaTg1NA/minetest-0.4.6-e068c04359-amd64  powered by my self-written fancy SFX archives
05:41 sfan5 run it, it'll extract minetest and run it
05:42 jordan4ibanez Thank you sfan5, but I think I will try to use the default package management system for now, just so I can manage everything without feeling overwhelmed.
05:42 jordan4ibanez I'll create a virtual machine to try that tomorrow though.
05:44 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: ok :)
05:44 jordan4ibanez I tried your .deb VanessaE, and it is telling me that the package is of bad quality.
05:44 VanessaE oh?
05:45 VanessaE pastebin the messages please
05:45 jordan4ibanez http://pastie.org/pastes/7722712/text?key=1epoy9bmvnzhoqzwsbntoq
05:45 VanessaE strange, why are those owned by me?
05:45 jordan4ibanez Because you are the compiler of the .deb file.
05:45 VanessaE I meant those specific files :P
05:46 VanessaE hm
05:46 VanessaE no matter, I'll see if I can fix it.
05:47 jordan4ibanez Would, "https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds/+packages" be the PPA of the dailybuilds/unstable of Minetest?
05:48 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: redoing it now, let's see if it works after this.
05:48 jordan4ibanez Maybe, when 0.4.7 is released, we should update the 0.3.1 in the Software Center of Ubuntu to the latest? Haha.
05:49 VanessaE not sure if that's the PPA or not.
05:49 jordan4ibanez Okay, good.
05:50 jordan4ibanez "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/minetestdevs/daily-builds/ubuntu raring main" Ahh, here we are.
05:51 jordan4ibanez I will try your build first though, VanessaE, just to make sure people do not get the warning when the download your builds.
05:51 jordan4ibanez they*
05:53 kaeza okay, time to go for me
05:53 kaeza night all
05:53 jordan4ibanez Goodnight, kaeza.
05:53 kaeza o/
05:53 VanessaE night kaeza
05:54 jordan4ibanez I will high-five him back tomorrow.
05:56 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: thanks for the bug report, wish someone had told me sooner so I don't have to keep you waiting on this.
05:56 jordan4ibanez It is no problem at all, I understand.
05:58 jordan4ibanez A nice lua-side feature would be the ability to draw basic shapes using points of the map. Useful for making strings, ropes, flailing flags, or anything you could think of.
05:59 jordan4ibanez A kite mod would be a nice example of how this would be useful.
05:59 VanessaE there's a meshes draw type coming soon
06:00 jordan4ibanez Very nice.
06:00 jordan4ibanez Could that be used for turning the heads of NPCs or mobs?
06:01 VanessaE dunno
06:02 jordan4ibanez I see. That's the one main thing I'm waiting for someone to figure out; how to use a mesh, but rotate/scale/minipulate the mesh sections of a single parent mesh to create multiple animations with minimal code.
06:03 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/builds/minetest-git-20130426_0fb9567f.deb
06:03 VanessaE how's it look now?
06:03 VanessaE (re-download it)
06:05 jordan4ibanez http://pastie.org/pastes/7722745/text?key=y6oou1vma7yv9fwydiina
06:05 VanessaE hrm
06:05 VanessaE how the heck do I set that one?
06:06 jordan4ibanez Ask in #ubuntu, maybe.
06:11 jordan4ibanez Oh man, a 29 second video came out to 1.4GB with raw/AVI codec in Kazam, let me stay far, far away from that one.
06:11 VanessaE what are you using to check these anyway?
06:12 jordan4ibanez The default Ubuntu Software Center.
06:12 VanessaE oh, lintian.
06:24 jordan4ibanez I will install the last package you posted, because I want to play already, haha.
06:24 VanessaE wait.
06:24 VanessaE I'm building one that's centered in /usr instead of /usr/local
06:24 VanessaE (lintian didn't care much for the defaults)
06:24 jordan4ibanez Oh okay.
06:25 VanessaE uploading now, but it'll still bitch about the maintainer name.
06:26 VanessaE ok, redownload the same filename.
06:27 jordan4ibanez "minetest: error while loading shared libraries: libluajit-5.1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
06:27 jordan4ibanez So I'm guessing I shall have to install that package?
06:28 VanessaE right, so grab the luajit package too.
06:28 VanessaE (you'll want to redownload it too, if you haven't already)
06:29 jordan4ibanez Can you repost the link, just to be sure?
06:29 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/builds/minetest-git-20130426_0fb9567f.deb
06:29 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/builds/luajit-git-20130426_895a8bc9.deb
06:29 jordan4ibanez Oh gosh, which one?
06:29 VanessaE the first is minetest, the second is luajit :)
06:29 VanessaE take a guess ;)
06:31 VanessaE does it work?
06:32 jordan4ibanez It is still giving me that error.
06:32 VanessaE the library error?
06:33 jordan4ibanez Yes.
06:33 VanessaE ldconfig -v
06:33 VanessaE sudo ldconfig -v
06:33 VanessaE that is.
06:35 VanessaE any luck?
06:35 jordan4ibanez Which directory would you like to know about?
06:35 VanessaE none.  Just run the game again.
06:36 jordan4ibanez Now it works, thank you.
06:36 VanessaE yay!
06:37 jordan4ibanez Nit-picky; Sound volume is defaulted to 80%.
06:37 VanessaE that's not my fault :)
06:37 jordan4ibanez Can you have the .deb auto-run that command?
06:37 VanessaE I don't know how to do that
06:38 jordan4ibanez Do I have to install openAL?
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06:38 jordan4ibanez I think this might be my mixer, let me check.
06:39 jordan4ibanez Yep it was my mixer, be right back.
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06:43 jordan4ibanez A small quarm with the sound effects settings in Ubuntu 13.04, they are enabled, but just turned all the way down, so why not just disable them?
06:43 Calinou ask mark shuttleworth why
06:43 VanessaE morning Calinou.
06:44 jordan4ibanez VanessaE, where are the files for Minetest held?
06:44 VanessaE /usr/share/minetest
06:45 VanessaE and your personal stuff of course is in /home/jordan4ibanez/.minetest
06:45 VanessaE or whatever.
06:45 VanessaE btw did anyone notice bcnjr is back? :)
06:47 jordan4ibanez Oh okay, a weird thing in Linux, you can get into SU by doing sudo su -, weird.
06:47 Calinou noone named bc* on IRC
06:47 Calinou but I remember his name, he played on kray with me back in 0.2, iirc
06:47 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: not really, 'su' is just a way of going root, the user is still root eithe rway
06:47 VanessaE Calinou: on the forums.
06:47 Calinou ah, ok
06:50 jordan4ibanez Can I reset the privelages of a directory through the terminal?
06:50 VanessaE sudo chown someuser:somegroup /path/to/files
06:50 jordan4ibanez I tried to make it so I can edit the files of the minetest dir, but I accidentally assigned it to Avahi autoip daemon.
06:50 jordan4ibanez Thank you.
06:51 VanessaE sudo chmod _____ /path/to/files   where ____ might be 755 or u+x or something
06:51 VanessaE (look up the chmod command, too much to explain here)
06:51 VanessaE chown -R  if you need a recursive change
06:52 Calinou ch98 gets award of best way to write "griefer": http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86622#p86622
06:52 Calinou "greafers"... lol
06:52 VanessaE pff
06:53 VanessaE at leas it "sounds" right, unlike "grifter" or "griffer" or so.
06:54 jordan4ibanez How do I recursively assign permissions for my user to gain acces to all the files below the /usr/share/minetest/ dir?
06:54 VanessaE -R
06:54 VanessaE but don't do that.
06:55 VanessaE never give a user, not even yourself, access to stuff under /usr
06:55 jordan4ibanez Oh okay
06:55 VanessaE if you wanna add a game or mods or whatever, put those in /home/jordan4ibanez/.minetest  or whatever your regular, non-privileged userid is.
06:56 ssieb on Fedora, the system-wide writable game files are in /var/lib/minetest and owned by the minetest user
06:57 VanessaE strange place for that
06:57 VanessaE I could see putting them in /opt maybe
06:57 VanessaE but /var?  that's just dumb.
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06:58 ssieb why?  /var is for all that kind of thing
06:58 Calinou my /opt is always empty
06:58 ssieb /opt is a weird place :-)
06:58 Calinou well, it has teamviewer files for me
06:58 Calinou and used to have oracle java, but I realised it wasn't faster than openjdk :P
07:01 celeron55 /opt is for stuff that doesn't play well when installing different parts of a program to different directories
07:04 ssieb as in, generally, non-open-source software ;-)
07:04 * ssieb goes to sleep
07:06 triSLEEP Calinou: teamview = bad
07:06 Calinou yes, we should all set up our VNC server
07:07 triSLEEP yes
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07:09 jordan4ibanez 500GB of hard disk space? http://goo.gl/BJAFX
07:09 VanessaE install...ALL the things? :-\
07:09 VanessaE :)
07:10 jordan4ibanez Clementine, VLC, LMMS, Steam, Kazam, Minetest, Minecraft, TF2, Draw Me A Path! My hard drive needs more!
07:11 Calinou /dev/sdb4        1,8T   46G  1,7T   3% /home
07:11 Calinou pwned
07:11 jordan4ibanez Mechanical drive?
07:11 Calinou yes
07:11 Calinou there is no 2TB SSD today, except if you used a RAID 0 of two 1TB SSDs (M500)
07:11 jordan4ibanez I think in a year or two, your hard disk might just pwn itself.
07:11 Calinou = about 1200 euros
07:12 Calinou it's been working for 1.5 year
07:12 Calinou it's a 7200rpm too, not a 5400rpm
07:12 jordan4ibanez Mechanical hard disks over 1TB Rarely make it over 2-3 years.
07:12 Calinou FUD.
07:13 Calinou they're also faster than they 1TB counterparts :>
07:13 jordan4ibanez I wanted to get one, but it seemed like a bad idea. Hybrid drives is where the cool cats are at.
07:13 Calinou hybrid drives is all marketing, the cache does nothing
07:13 jordan4ibanez The cache is magical.
07:13 celeron55 my laptop's HDD is 6 years old and it still works like new 8)
07:14 celeron55 but it's a durable model in shock-proof casing
07:14 Calinou ^ toughbook user
07:14 celeron55 also, c55.me's 40Gb shit drive lasted 10 years before breaking
07:14 celeron55 GB*
07:14 Calinou I have a 40GB drive around, no idea if it still works :P
07:15 jordan4ibanez Oh nice, my hard disks were all given to me because nobody wanted them, haha. I have no idea how old this 500GB is.
07:15 jordan4ibanez That might be a bad thing, or, a good thing.
07:15 celeron55 otoh c55.me's 120GB drive broke after like three years (bought it used, that's the full lifetime)
07:16 jordan4ibanez How old was it before date of purchasing?
07:16 celeron55 at the same time i bought a used 160GB one, that's still running fine (after ~2 years from when the other one broke)
07:18 jordan4ibanez I must sleep now.
07:18 jordan4ibanez Goodnight #minetest.
07:18 VanessaE night
07:19 celeron55 hmm... i don't remember where i got the 6GB drive that broke in the old laptop when i ran a 0.3 server on it a good while ago
07:19 celeron55 i think normal hard drives fail pretty randomly
07:20 celeron55 which is kind of not fun
07:20 celeron55 but SSDs fail just as randomly too
07:21 celeron55 and they give no mercy; once they fail, you aren't going to get a single byte out of them 8)
07:22 Calinou 99% of SSD failures are due to the controller, not to the NAND
07:22 Calinou unlike HDDs :P
07:22 celeron55 yes, and 99% of HDD failures are due to stuff wearing out
07:22 tripod /dev/sda2       871G  823G  4.4G 100% /home
07:22 tripod /dev/sdb1       1.5T  1.5T  1.6G 100% /mnt/hook3d
07:22 tripod /dev/sdc1       1.9T  1.8T   61G  97% /mnt/anime
07:22 tripod :(
07:22 tripod they are the mounted hdd's too
07:22 tripod several others are full
07:23 tripod need moar
07:23 tripod Calinou: buy me 2 X 3tb hdd's
07:23 tripod plz
07:23 tripod ~obit Calinou
07:23 celeron55 i tend to just throw away space-consuming stuff rather than continuously try to figure out how to get more storage for them
07:24 tripod 0all my crap
07:24 tripod well about 15tb of anime and about 8tb of movies/tv
07:24 tripod but data retention scares me
07:25 celeron55 my 2TB desktop disk is mostly filled with backups from my other computer's smaller disks
07:25 celeron55 :P
07:25 tripod :D
07:26 tripod ive been using the same loonix install for like 7 years :D
07:26 celeron55 (it isn't even half full though)
07:26 Calinou never got a linux install for more than 1.5 year :>
07:26 Calinou this one is about 5 months old
07:28 celeron55 well, tripod wins in this one, i guess :P
07:28 tripod :P
07:28 tripod dw
07:28 tripod i love you guys
07:28 celeron55 i do have years old installations
07:28 celeron55 but not 7 8)
07:28 VanessaE jeez, and I barely go 6 months between installs before I manage to botch something :D
07:31 tripod since ive been using bedrock ive been fucking up a shit tonne.
07:31 celeron55 i have a three years old Arch install on my laptop... which hasn't been updated in more than half a year
07:31 celeron55 i'll probably need to take a full copy of the disk before attempting to update 8)
07:31 celeron55 it's going to seriously break
07:32 celeron55 eg. systemd is going to cause a lot of trouble
07:33 celeron55 with some non-rolling release distro this'd equal to roughly nothing
07:34 tripod well
07:35 tripod pacman/system.d/everything that depending on using rc.d
07:35 tripod then it's gcc/symlink font system ect
07:35 tripod i'd like to Syu the fuck out of that laptop celeron55
07:35 tripod :D
07:36 Calinou alias YOLO='sudo pacman -Syu --force'
07:37 tripod haha
07:37 celeron55 tripod: also for example /home is encrypted with a boot-time password
07:37 celeron55 that may hurt badly too
07:37 Calinou encryption, lol
07:38 Calinou ^ how intel manages to sell 3930Ks
07:38 tripod i remember forcing an upgrade on filesystem when i had LUKS encrypted /home
07:38 tripod it failed horribly
07:38 tripod Calinou: where are you from again?
07:38 Calinou france
07:38 tripod oh
07:38 tripod awesome
07:38 tripod BONJOUR
07:38 celeron55 pacman -Syu --force is usually so horrible an idea that... it could as well not even exist 8)
07:38 VanessaE France.  He is from France.
07:38 tripod you are also awesome
07:38 tripod you can -Sf iirc celeron55
07:39 VanessaE meh, the joke doesn't work without the 'accent'.
07:39 tripod if you wanted to :P
07:39 celeron55 tripod: yes, that is a better ide
07:39 tripod im from upside down land
07:39 celeron55 +a
07:39 tripod then you'd need to generate entropy for pacman-key
07:41 tripod any australians idle this chanel
07:41 tripod or am i the only one :(
07:41 celeron55 we have very little people from the far east
07:42 Calinou they lag too much
07:42 Calinou when they say "hi", they've already left
07:42 bas080 I'm from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzOzUHYwPms
07:42 tripod oh yeah
07:42 tripod or 00:00 HELP I HAVE A PROBLEM (
07:42 celeron55 this channel becomes quite dead in just a few hours from now as europeans are at school/work and american sleep
07:42 celeron55 +s
07:42 tripod 00:02 person left
07:42 VanessaE sleep?
07:42 tripod brb dinnner
07:43 VanessaE *looks at clock* .....  you mean THAT is what I'm supposed to be doing now?
07:43 VanessaE ;)
07:43 bas080 Most people here have a 30 hour day clock
07:44 VanessaE heh
07:45 Calinou it's holidays here, no school
07:45 Calinou until monday
07:45 bas080 What holiday?
07:45 Calinou spring?
07:45 VanessaE "Spring Break", we called it when I was in school.
07:45 Calinou minetest freezes when starting because it's taking forever to download server list
07:45 VanessaE and boy did I ever look forward to it.
07:46 Calinou 11.9 second lag to IRC
07:46 bas080 SPRING BREAK!!!
07:47 bas080 This one is better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34KkkmDBtLE
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07:52 Calinou 29.5 second lag
07:52 Calinou and it overflowed to 0 second
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07:53 VanessaE jeesh..
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07:54 tripod wow Calinou
07:54 tripod lucky you
07:56 VanessaE that's luck?
07:56 VanessaE bad luck maybe :)
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08:20 celeron55 *silence begins*
08:29 * VanessaE pokes random accounts to see who is awake
08:29 VanessaE well there's one
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08:48 iqualfragile im awake
08:49 iqualfragile its 11ish around here
08:49 VanessaE 10 mins to 5am here.
08:49 iqualfragile and i think we might need a german subforum
08:51 iqualfragile because like half the minetest community is from germany
08:51 iqualfragile (well not exactly half but there are lots)
09:00 celeron55 my policy regarding to that is to leave such to be handled by those who speak a different language
09:01 celeron55 if there are enough, there will be someone who has the resources to make a forum
09:05 iqualfragile well… a subforum would have the advantage that peoplet would not need to reregister
09:05 VanessaE "Discussion in other languages" section is more than enough
09:06 celeron55 but such an subforum will only take from, not give to the people who don't speak german
09:06 VanessaE start adding in whole forums...  exactly, what he said.
09:07 celeron55 by forcing most of the german people to talk english on the forum, we make their stuff available to anyone who speaks the current world language (english)
09:07 celeron55 which is highly preferable
09:08 VanessaE celeron55: which also begs the question...how seriously fucked are we gonna be when the rest of the world switches to Chinese in about 10 years? :)
09:08 celeron55 gotta learn chinese then
09:08 VanessaE heh
09:12 iqualfragile nevarr
09:13 iqualfragile i have made a short listing of germans on the forums wich is realy incomplete but it should give an idea: sfan5, pilzadam, jeija, sapier, casimir, echo, hybrid dog, tobinator, padderman, meldrian, sokomine,  luios, iqualfragile
09:14 VanessaE ok, that's a dozen out of, what, 200 active users or something?
09:14 VanessaE so I wouldn't say "half" is anywhere close to accurate
09:15 iqualfragile problem is: not all germans like to speak english or are good at it so creating a german subforum might help those
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09:15 VanessaE I would venture a guess and say the userbase is about as equally distributed around the western hemisphere as any other community (allowing for the "we barely have any far-eastern users" caveat)
09:15 VanessaE morning, 0gb
09:16 iqualfragile i do not think that mod publishing should be in german but for things like servers or help requests a german subforum would be nice
09:16 [0gb_us] Morning, VanessaE.
09:16 VanessaE celeron55 is right though.  English is a better language for this situation - whether the other-language-speakers like to use it or not.
09:17 VanessaE you gotta remember that the English-speaking crowd probably has a majority of folks who only speak it as a second language, but who don't necessarily speak a common language amongst one another.
09:18 VanessaE s/a common/some other common
09:18 VanessaE /
09:19 iqualfragile VanessaE: i know, but (as i said) for servers and for requests for help it would be nice to have a german subforum
09:19 VanessaE mmmh
09:19 VanessaE let someone else run an unofficial German et.al forum then
09:20 iqualfragile people who are not really good at reading english will have problems reading answers in english and there might be some "local" servers who want to have german speaking players (Austria, Switzerland, Germany)
09:21 iqualfragile creating another forum would make people need to register 2 accounts which just wont happen
09:22 VanessaE [0gb_us]: did you notice that flowers got pushed into common? :)
09:23 [0gb_us] Yeah, PilzAdam paged us when he did that.
09:23 VanessaE oh ok (I didn't see it in my scrollback)
09:23 [0gb_us] I think he did, anyway ...
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09:29 [0gb_us] I can't believe he added dry shrub regeneration to flowers. It doesn't seem to be something he'd add.
09:30 [0gb_us] I've been trying to find a good way to add it for a while.
09:32 VanessaE aw shit
09:32 VanessaE he changed your regrowth ABM
09:32 VanessaE now interval 50, chance 25
09:32 VanessaE no wonder flowers are growing so wildly on my server
09:32 VanessaE and he's not avoiding group:flower - only group:flora
09:33 [0gb_us] Yeah, another surprizing change.
09:33 VanessaE I better change my mod to put flowers_plus items into flora group.
09:33 [0gb_us] Wait, he removed the flora group?
09:34 VanessaE no, he just doens't use the flower'
09:34 VanessaE no, he just doens't use the 'flower' group for the density control
09:34 VanessaE I did.
09:34 [0gb_us] Ah, got it.
09:34 VanessaE so I have to change my code to suit, because he uses the 'flora' group for density control
09:34 [0gb_us] Probably so jungle grass and grass will still be controlled.
09:37 VanessaE there, flowers_plus git update.d
09:41 VanessaE and...removed the regrowth abm from flowers_plus for all default flowers.
09:41 VanessaE that should bring it back under control.
09:41 VanessaE anyone wanna stroll around my server helping me harvest all the excess flowers? :)
09:41 [0gb_us] Coming.
09:42 [0gb_us] I think I got hit with the media download again.
09:43 VanessaE yeah, there have been several updates since your last visit
09:43 [0gb_us] Stuck at 0% though.
09:49 VanessaE and another update to plantlife pushed, to make poisonivy and jungle grasses also follow that flora thing.
09:49 VanessaE server restarting.
09:50 [0gb_us] The escape key won't let me cancel ......
09:50 [0gb_us] I think something is broken.
09:50 VanessaE better kill your client and re-start then
09:50 [0gb_us] I did that, and it happened a second time.
09:51 [0gb_us] It gets stuck after:
09:51 [0gb_us] 02:46:35: ERROR[main]: generate_image(): Could not load image "unknown_node.png" while building texture
09:51 [0gb_us] 02:46:35: ERROR[main]: generate_image(): Creating a dummy image for "unknown_node.png"
09:51 VanessaE weird
09:51 VanessaE better try updating just to be sure
09:51 VanessaE (that texture was renamed a while back)
09:52 [0gb_us] Updating will take at least half an hour to compile, it you want to wait.
09:52 VanessaE half hour?  eek
09:52 VanessaE takes me all of 5 minutes
09:52 [0gb_us] I can't compile quickly, for whatever reason.
09:53 VanessaE I'm spoiled :)
09:53 [0gb_us] Your computer I hear is a monster in terms of powere, so maybe that's why you compile quicly.
09:53 [0gb_us] *power
09:53 VanessaE meh, 2.8 GHz, 6 cores
09:53 VanessaE kinda middle-of-the-road by today's standards.
09:54 [0gb_us] Well, I'm on an old laptop, so ....
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10:02 VanessaE what do you think of the idea of having poison ivy and flowers die off after a while?
10:02 [0gb_us] It makes them hard to build with.
10:03 [0gb_us] I like to use poison ivy to decorate.
10:03 VanessaE (the way jungle grass does I mean - grow for a while, die off, repeat)
10:03 VanessaE ok
10:03 VanessaE I'll leave that alone then
10:03 [0gb_us] And if it dies, I have to find something else.
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10:29 [0gb_us] Drats. I forgot to fix my settings. Every time I update, I lose them.
10:30 [0gb_us] THis is why I quit using the dev client.
10:47 [0gb_us] VanessaE: I think there may be a bug in poison ivy. The climbing version spawns on grass with a facedir that makes it look like it's floating.
10:47 VanessaE I just spotted that and I'm trying to find the cause right now
10:48 [0gb_us] Okay, cool.
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10:51 thexyz kaeza: better contact the author about the font
10:53 [0gb_us] VanessaE: Found the issue. Climbing poison ivy shouldn't be flora.
10:53 [0gb_us] The flora spawner is doing it.
10:53 VanessaE aw fuck
10:53 VanessaE ok
10:53 VanessaE nice catch
10:54 VanessaE it must not understand facedir nodes then
10:54 VanessaE ok
10:55 [0gb_us] It also spawns it on grass, not trees. And climbing ivy should spawn on trees, right?
10:55 VanessaE yes
10:55 VanessaE trees, dirt, stone, most anything vertical that is also naturally-occurring
10:55 [0gb_us] That's why the dry shrub isn't flora either, when it technically is a plant.
10:56 [0gb_us] Oh, my bad then. I thought it as only trees.
10:56 VanessaE fix pushed to plantlife git
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10:56 [0gb_us] I got booted, and I can't get back into your world ....
10:57 [0gb_us] Oh, right. I'm probably still timing out.
10:57 * Calinou reboots [0gb_us]
10:57 VanessaE odd, seems okay from here...restarting it though
10:57 [0gb_us] Nah, no need for a restart.
10:57 VanessaE I needed to anyway to deploy that poisonivy fix.
10:58 [0gb_us] Oh, right.
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10:59 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86637#p86637
10:59 VanessaE [0gb_us]: where is the code that is spawning stuff in that group?
11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet if i have 2 recipes for one and one recipe uses nodes that are not in the game will this crash it
11:02 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: no, the recipe will simply not work.
11:02 VanessaE (it'll be effectively ignored)
11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet ok good
11:03 jojoa1997|Tablet vanesae i added yours
11:03 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: plantlife?  when?
11:03 jojoa1997|Tablet uh yesterday
11:03 jojoa1997|Tablet but
11:03 VanessaE ok.
11:03 VanessaE don't update again until I let you know it's safe.
11:04 jojoa1997|Tablet i got rid of jungle grass if you were worried
11:04 VanessaE trying to sort out an obscure bug
11:04 jojoa1997|Tablet ok
11:04 jojoa1997|Tablet i need to figure out the tnt
11:04 [0gb_us] VanessaE: It's in common/flowers/init.lua.
11:04 VanessaE [0gb_us]: found it.
11:04 [0gb_us] At the bottom, I think.
11:05 VanessaE line 124.
11:05 VanessaE nodenames = {"group:flora"}
11:05 VanessaE bah.
11:05 [0gb_us] Something wrong with that?
11:05 VanessaE this screws up everything
11:05 [0gb_us] Why is that?
11:06 [0gb_us] Flora is a new group, it shouldn't interfere with anything
11:06 VanessaE because it uses the same match key for spawning plants as is used for *avoiding* them
11:06 [0gb_us] I see.
11:06 VanessaE which means that everything to be avoided has to be spawned by this abmn
11:06 VanessaE abm*
11:06 VanessaE which in turn means I can't assign different perlin zones to different plants
11:06 [0gb_us] I didn't code the avoidance part.
11:06 [0gb_us] PilzAdam must have added that.
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11:07 VanessaE if I put my extra flowers in group:flora, they'll be properly avoided but they will also be spawned by this ABM, which I definitely DO NOT want.
11:07 [0gb_us] Why do they need to be avoided?
11:07 VanessaE because I don't, for example, want poison ivy to spawn near a flowerbed.
11:07 Calinou the default windows wallpaper has flowers
11:08 * Calinou is very far away
11:08 Calinou very
11:08 [0gb_us] Whats' wrong with poison ivy creeping into flower beds?
11:08 jojoa1997|Tablet http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lgJY56zp_vU
11:08 VanessaE [0gb_us]: nothing I suppose except that I don't want to disturb peoples' creations
11:09 [0gb_us] I see ...
11:09 [0gb_us] Maybe the avoidance should be in poison ivy? So poison ivy can't creep into fower beds, but flowers can creep into ivy beds.
11:11 [0gb_us] Hmm. I'm thinking we'll never finish if we hand weed these ....
11:11 VanessaE there.
11:11 VanessaE removed poison ivy nodes from flora group, pushed to plantlife git.
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11:12 VanessaE but see, now growable flowers won't avoid poison ivy areas, so the density will creep up way too high there.
11:12 [0gb_us] Hmm. I'm not sure what to do about that.
11:12 VanessaE the correct solution is to add another match key to the find_nodes_in_area() call at line 145, say "group:flora_avoid" or some such
11:13 VanessaE local flowers = minetest.env:find_nodes_in_area(pos0, pos1, {"group:flora", "group:flora_avoid"})
11:13 [0gb_us] Another issue with hand weeding these is that due to item_drop, it leaves entities everywhere .....
11:13 VanessaE or some such thing; I believe that call can accept a table for the match keys
11:15 [0gb_us] Then the ABM is called on flora_avoid too, turning flora_avoid into a plant spawner.
11:15 VanessaE nonono
11:15 VanessaE not in the abm match key.
11:15 [0gb_us] Which is the opposite of the intended effect.
11:15 [0gb_us] OH! Got it.
11:15 VanessaE but in the find_nodes_in_area() call
11:15 VanessaE which is how he's controlling for density
11:16 [0gb_us] I see. Okay.
11:16 VanessaE and it says in the API that it *does* take a table
11:16 VanessaE so change line 145 to read:
11:16 VanessaE local flowers = minetest.env:find_nodes_in_area(pos0, pos1, {"group:flora", "group:flora_avoid"})
11:16 [0gb_us] Yeah, it does. I pass it tables too.
11:17 VanessaE and then add to the flora_avoid group anything that this routine should avoid that isn't also spawned by it.
11:17 [0gb_us] Okay, that sounds like a good compromise.
11:17 VanessaE which would only be a few nodes in my mods - the defaults wouldn't need changed.
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11:20 VanessaE hopefully pilzadam will show up soon
11:20 VanessaE so I can get him to push this through real quick
11:25 VanessaE took all flowers_plus objects out of flora group, except cotton, and removed cotton growing abm
11:25 VanessaE pushed to git.
11:25 VanessaE that should undo everything I botched tonight :)
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11:31 VanessaE one lousy slash, jeez.
11:31 Infinity_69 test, test... Hello?
11:31 Infinity_69 YAY
11:31 VanessaE yeah, it works now.
11:31 Infinity_69 is this mic on?
11:31 Infinity_69 oops, it is :)
11:31 Infinity_69 thanks VanessaE
11:31 VanessaE Infinity_69: no, it's off.
11:31 VanessaE :)
11:31 Infinity_69 :o
11:31 Infinity_69 you un-plugged it!
11:31 Infinity_69 WHY!
11:32 VanessaE I didn't do nothin'
11:32 Infinity_69 its my time, its my life, i can do, what i like...
11:32 Infinity_69 $guessSongName VanessaE
11:32 VanessaE no idea.
11:32 Infinity_69 o.o
11:33 Infinity_69 Enrique Iglesias - I like how it feels
11:33 Infinity_69 you never heard it?
11:33 VanessaE nope.
11:33 Infinity_69 !g VanessaE
11:33 sfan5 topic about linux live cd with minetest on it.. jojoa1997 asks "Is this for Linux"
11:33 MinetestBot Infinity_69: http://www.vanessae.com/
11:33 Infinity_69 :o
11:33 VanessaE I don't listen to modern "music"
11:34 Infinity_69 VanessaE = FAMOUS
11:34 Infinity_69 xD
11:34 Infinity_69 VanessaE == FAMOUS
11:34 VanessaE the only Iglesias I know about is Gabriel Iglesias.
11:34 Infinity_69 ERROR: Syntax error
11:34 Infinity_69 :D
11:34 VanessaE fat stand-up comedian.
11:34 VanessaE "Fluffy"
11:34 VanessaE #2 after Jeff Dunham (the ventriloquist)
11:35 Infinity_69 maybe i've heard of him...dunno...
11:36 Infinity_69 but how about... Rob Dyrdek
11:36 Infinity_69 Fantasy Factory!
11:36 VanessaE nope.
11:36 Infinity_69 o.o
11:38 Infinity_69 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhqmyjpnYU == 'Best intro EVER!'
11:38 Infinity_69 It's just a fantasy!\
11:41 Infinity_69 It's not lupus!
11:41 Infinity_69 -.-
11:42 VanessaE it's never lupus.
11:42 VanessaE (or never was anyway, except like once)
11:42 Infinity_69 :D
11:42 Infinity_69 $guessMovieOrSeries VanessaE
11:42 VanessaE House, duh.
11:42 Infinity_69 YAY!
11:42 Infinity_69 I like Kyle... *sniff*
11:43 Infinity_69 Remember?
11:43 VanessaE used to be the only TV show I actually watched with any regularity, until FOX decided to try their copyright bullshit on me.
11:44 Infinity_69 ???
11:44 Infinity_69 what do u mean?
11:44 VanessaE nevermind.
11:44 Infinity_69 what did they do!
11:44 Infinity_69 o.o
11:44 Infinity_69 we have FOX and FOX life here, in Estonia, but i kinda like them...
11:45 Infinity_69 so what did they do there?
11:45 sfan5 interesting... some people tra s
11:45 Infinity_69 tra s?
11:45 VanessaE tried to give me legal noise about downloading an episode because I couldn't receive over-the-air TV where IW as.
11:45 sfan5 *used google translator to view my minetest  windows build topic
11:46 VanessaE so I shot back with a nastygram disavowing the download and any further interest in the show...and I dropped it cold, just like that.
11:46 Infinity_69 omfg o.o
11:46 Infinity_69 TBIYF
11:46 Infinity_69 i mean...
11:46 Infinity_69 TTBIYF
11:46 Infinity_69 The Torrent Bay Is Your Friend
11:46 Infinity_69 :D
11:47 VanessaE media conglomerates track torrents.
11:47 Infinity_69 *Knock Knock*; Who's there?; Not Lupus
11:47 Infinity_69 :D
11:48 Infinity_69 maybe FOX was RUSSIAN too much?
11:48 Infinity_69 xD
11:49 Infinity_69 hey, who has seen Zeg9?
11:56 Infinity_69 They found me, I don't know how, but they found me. Run for it Marty!”  Actually, the page you are looking for does not exist. Don’t give up, though.
12:00 VanessaE ok, off to bed now.
12:00 sfan5 ubuntu 13.04 is out
12:01 sfan5 *clicks upgrade*
12:01 VanessaE sfan5: already running it.
12:01 [0gb_us] Good night.
12:01 sfan5 the update manager didn't tell me in time
12:01 * sfan5 just tries to tabcomplete "update manager"
12:01 sfan5 *tried
12:01 VanessaE watch your video drivers, and note that update manager and jockey both got merged into settings manager, at least in xubuntu.
12:01 VanessaE night all.
12:01 [0gb_us] I'm on 12.04. I'm waiting until 14.04 to upgrade.
12:04 sfan5 why does the 13.04 install clang?
12:04 Infinity_69 <sfan5> ubuntu 13.04 is out [Like]
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13:04 bas0801 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2004262013%20-%2003%3A02%3A38%20PM.png  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
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13:05 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
13:06 [0gb_us] Hey, PilzAdam.
13:06 [0gb_us] VanessaE: PilzAdam has returned.
13:06 * PilzAdam is on 13.04 now
13:07 [0gb_us] Oh, right. She went to bed.
13:07 * sfan5 is updating to 13.04 right now
13:08 PilzAdam yay! Minetest still works!
13:08 [0gb_us] PilzAdam: VanessaE wants you to change the flowers ABM to avoid group:flora_avoid in addition to the current avoiding of group:flora.
13:09 [0gb_us] That way she can use the avoidance without the ABM for her poison ivy and other plants that don't work well with the ABM.
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13:32 PilzAdam ubuntuusers.de saved my day :-) http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/transparenz-der-popup-meldungen-im-tray-und-de/
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13:54 PilzAdam wtf, git has changed its language to german oO
13:54 PilzAdam alias git="LANG=en  git" FTW
13:57 [0gb_us] Maybe git detected your location, or something.
13:57 [0gb_us] Or is your local system in German?
13:58 PilzAdam my system language is german, but git has ignored it before I upgraded to 13.04
13:58 [0gb_us] That's odd. Maybe it's a new feature then.
13:59 [0gb_us] So are you liking 13.04? I hear 12.10 was a disaster, but I never tried it myself.
14:00 PilzAdam everything works as before, booting is a bit faster, I think
14:01 PilzAdam and in wich way was 12.10 a "disaster"?
14:02 [0gb_us] I'm not sure. I've heard stories that a lot of people really didn't like it.
14:05 PilzAdam well, Unity sucks
14:05 Kacey bbiab
14:05 PilzAdam most people complain about that
14:06 [0gb_us] Unity does suck, but was added before 12.10, so that wasn't the issue.
14:06 [0gb_us] Which do you use, PilzAdam? KDE/Kubuntu?
14:07 PilzAdam yes, I use KDE
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14:43 Infinity_69 hi
14:43 Infinity_69 OldCoder
14:43 Infinity_69 do you have a c++ compiler:_
14:43 Infinity_69 _
14:43 Infinity_69 ?
14:44 OldCoder Hi
14:44 OldCoder ? They are everywhere
14:44 OldCoder Use g++
14:44 Infinity_69 im on a public pc with winXP
14:44 [0gb_us] sudo apt-get install build-essentials
14:44 Infinity_69 limited memory
14:44 OldCoder What are you asking, exactly?
14:44 [0gb_us] Oh, Windows? That doesn't work on Windows.
14:44 Infinity_69 could you compile a program for me :)
14:44 Infinity_69 yeah, no s***t xD
14:44 OldCoder Into what?
14:45 Infinity_69 exe :)
14:45 OldCoder Yes but not for two months
14:45 Infinity_69 .cpp to .exe
14:45 OldCoder Yes but not for two months
14:45 Infinity_69 :D
14:45 Infinity_69 WHY NOT?!
14:45 sfan5 Infinity_69: one sec
14:45 Infinity_69 WHERE U B?
14:45 Infinity_69 ooo... :D
14:45 OldCoder Because I am dealing with stuff... and I think you know about it
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14:46 PilzAdam Infinity_69, I could compile it for you
14:46 Infinity_69 really?
14:46 Infinity_69 yay thanks :D
14:46 Infinity_69 ill give you the link later on...
14:46 sfan5 Infinity_69: http://79.235.23.42:8888/compile
14:46 sfan5 use that
14:46 sfan5 it'll compile it online
14:47 Infinity_69 wait wtf?!
14:47 Infinity_69 THANKS ALOT
14:47 john_minetest srsly? an ONLINE COMPILER?!?
14:47 Infinity_69 IVE BEEN SEARCHING THIS FOR A LONG TIME
14:47 sfan5 well, actually it'll compile it on my computer
14:47 Infinity_69 sorta...
14:47 Infinity_69 -.-
14:47 Infinity_69 and can i reach it?
14:47 sfan5 yes, otherwise that would make no sense
14:47 Infinity_69 how
14:48 Infinity_69 IP/myFile.exe?
14:48 sfan5 no
14:48 sfan5 just compile it and it will give you a link to the .exe
14:48 Infinity_69 where is IOSTREAM?
14:48 sfan5 you need to select c++
14:48 Infinity_69 #include <iostream>
14:49 Infinity_69 alot of errors xD
14:50 sfan5 Infinity_69: try #include <cstdlib>
14:50 Infinity_69 got it
14:50 Infinity_69 why?
14:50 sfan5 nvm
14:50 john_minetest sfan5: Wow, this compile thing really works great.
14:51 sfan5 john_minetest: its written in pyhon with tornado web
14:51 Infinity_69 yeah :D
14:51 Infinity_69 thanks alot
14:51 sfan5 *python
14:51 Infinity_69 can i get the source code?
14:51 Infinity_69 oh...
14:51 sfan5 why?
14:51 Infinity_69 i thought i could put it up on my site :D
14:51 Infinity_69 and credit you...of course
14:51 john_minetest I compiled a program that simulates rapid hitting the "space" key and releasing it while(true).
14:52 john_minetest Infinity_69: I don't think that it is something that can be hosted that easily. Compiling needs some CPU.
14:52 sfan5 john_minetest: you mean compile-weloJE.exe?
14:53 sfan5 Infinity_69: why are you compiling the same program over and over?
14:53 john_minetest yes, "result-weloJE.exe"
14:53 Infinity_69 not the same program...i had a bug in it :
14:53 Infinity_69 :D
14:53 Infinity_69 sorry...
14:54 sfan5 you can even compile program for android
14:54 john_minetest There are a few games where space must be pressed rapidly. And my program makes these games very easy ;)
14:54 Infinity_69 you should script it so that it will delete the compiled files every 1h/2h
14:54 Infinity_69 :D
14:55 john_minetest sfan5: What is the difference between normal and advanced textbox?
14:55 sfan5 john_minetest: text highlighting and other things: http://codemirror.org
14:55 sfan5 *.net
14:55 Infinity_69 yeah, i saw that :D
14:56 john_minetest sfan5: nvm, I deactivate javascript by default and activated it now. Now I see ^^.
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15:03 sfan5 brb, going to restart
15:03 Infinity_69 oh ok
15:03 Infinity_69 :D
15:03 Infinity_69 so thats why i cant connect xD
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15:08 sfan5 Infinity_69: http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8888/compile
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15:08 Infinity_69 oh :D
15:08 john_minetest sfan5: /tmp/m/compile-xXCLf9.c:4:21: fatal error: allegro.h: No such file or directory ;)
15:09 sfan5 john_minetest: it won't link with it anyway
15:09 john_minetest I wanted to compile a 1000+ lines one-filed (main.cpp & main class only) game that I wrote some time ago :D
15:10 john_minetest 1505 lines to be exact...
15:17 sfan5 john_minetest: i see german comments in your code..
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15:18 john_minetest yes. There are. It was my first big programming project that I did with a few friends for school and it even had comments and NO GOTOs!!!
15:19 sfan5 john_minetest: GOTO is bad IMO
15:20 john_minetest I agree, I don't like it, too. One of the guys who helped me with this wanted to use goto. I annoyed him until he gave up ;).
15:20 john_minetest Now there are only tons of while() loops.
15:21 Jordach sfan5, http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8888/compile/result-62eSCG.pyc
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15:22 * Infinity_69 using Code::Blocks
15:29 ShadowNinja Hmmm, webchat got unquieted, that means it is only a matter of time before we get spammed again (although my bot could help with that)
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15:31 [0gb_us] I think the web chat is a great tool. Sometimes I can't connect directly from my computer for some reason. It was annoying to be on mute when I have to use the web chat to get on.
15:33 ShadowNinja Use ssh or a client, you can still PM and there isn't realy a better way to block the spam, however my bot can kick for spaming, better than a quiet but some spam will get through before it activates
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15:33 Exio goto is not bad
15:33 Exio an overuse of it, is
15:33 [0gb_us] My client won't connect sometimes. That's my point.
15:34 [0gb_us] And how do I ssh to IRC?
15:34 Exio you don't ssh to irc
15:34 Exio you ssh to a server what has a irc client connected
15:34 ShadowNinja Well I am using a bouncer now, you can use irssi in a screen or tmux session to simulate that
15:35 Exio weechat + screen here :D
15:35 [0gb_us] Hmm. Well, I don't think the client is the issue. It says it's failing to authenticate, so something is unable to respond, or something.
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15:36 Exio ?
15:36 Exio what are you doing
15:36 jojoa1997|Tablet guys awesome news
15:37 [0gb_us] Just trying to log into IRC.
15:37 Exio how? :)
15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet today is my sister's birthday
15:37 [0gb_us] By opening the client. That's all. I don't even need to try to join a room, and it fails to authenticate.
15:38 [0gb_us] jojoa1997|Tablet: Congradulations.
15:38 jojoa1997|Tablet 0gb want to know what she said to me this morning?
15:38 [0gb_us] OKay.
15:39 jojoa1997|Tablet "YOu better not be here annoying me when they are here. You promise right?" and last time i was eating and she said i was annoying here
15:39 * jojoa1997|Tablet hides in his room
15:39 [0gb_us] Hmm.
15:40 jojoa1997|Tablet brotherly and sisterly love right?
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15:43 rubenwardy hi all
15:43 john_minetest hi rubenwardy
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15:48 Jordach hey mauvebic, Calinou
15:48 Calinou hi
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15:50 PilzAdam fake quote: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86677#p86677
15:50 PilzAdam Calinou, ban
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15:50 Calinou lool
15:50 rubenwardy lol
15:50 rubenwardy any excuse is good
15:51 Calinou the bigger your post count is, the bigger your nyan cat is!
15:52 * PilzAdam has a bigger nyancat than Calinou
15:52 Jordach i have the biggest bitches
15:52 PilzAdam Jordach, too big hurts
15:52 Jordach do we have an agreement?
15:53 Jordach thats what she said
15:53 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?section=about&amp;id=332
15:53 Jordach new signiture get
15:53 * rubenwardy made a bread node with my node box editor
15:53 rubenwardy *his
15:53 Jordach rubenwardy, i made a bookcase
15:53 Calinou you're fast, Jordach :P
15:54 Calinou (well, she said too)
15:54 Jordach Calinou, i sit on IRC all day, whatddya think i dop
15:54 Jordach -p
15:54 rubenwardy *thats what she said
15:54 * PilzAdam is so famous, hes quoted in the signature of the forum user with the biggest nyan cat!
15:54 Calinou hey, I'm quoted in MY signature
15:54 Jordach s/PilzAdam/Calinou
15:54 Jordach oh oh i dea
15:54 Jordach idea*
15:55 * rubenwardy is 12th in the list of most posts
15:55 Calinou the worst part about UDP jokes is that
15:55 Jordach put vanessa,e in place :)
15:55 PilzAdam rubenwardy, n00b
15:55 rubenwardy I am 2000 posts behind Jordach
15:55 Jordach haha
15:55 Jordach ive been here less time than Calinou, and i know more of the engine than anyone else except c55
15:56 Jordach (and kahrl)
15:56 PilzAdam ehm
15:56 rubenwardy PilzAdam: I have more posts than c55. Does that make c55 a n00b compared to me?
15:56 Jordach PilzAdam, not code wise
15:56 Jordach as in, how the actual game plays out
15:57 PilzAdam Jordach, c55 probably doesnt know how to craft obsidian glass
15:57 rubenwardy lol
15:57 PilzAdam he doesnt play the game anymore
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15:58 rubenwardy not surprized
15:58 Jordach surprised
15:58 Jordach **
15:59 rubenwardy meh
15:59 PilzAdam Jordach, the "thats what she said" joke in your signature isnt good, because its intentional
15:59 PilzAdam *was
15:59 Jordach PilzAdam, i was going to put mrs. ezekowitz's first name there
16:00 Jordach just for the lulz
16:00 PilzAdam fake quote?
16:00 PilzAdam Calinou, ban
16:00 Jordach oh haha
16:00 Jordach wow, i made a ctcp time and i never got the responce
16:01 rubenwardy response
16:01 rubenwardy response
16:01 rubenwardy **
16:01 rubenwardy woops
16:04 Jordach bbiab
16:04 Jordach need reboot
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16:12 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Can you please pull this now? https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/30
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16:14 ShadowNinja Also, I have been having an issue with the death drops in your item_drop mod(or rather technics copy of it) pos.y = pos.y+1 seems to set it about ten nodes up, also the items can drop on the player and he can pick them back up, did you fix that? (I have an idea how to, setting pickups to only happen for alive players)
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16:18 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, its fixed in my item_drop mod
16:19 PilzAdam technics copy is AFAIK outdated
16:19 PilzAdam ^ RealBadAngel
16:19 rubenwardy hm...
16:19 rubenwardy what shall I do...
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16:25 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/common: Add a configuration setting to disable fire burning. dea74bd4d9 2013-04-26T09:21:50-07:00 http://git.io/8XxSTQ
16:25 ShadowNinja Thanks!
16:26 [0gb_us] Wow, you actually got him to pull that. Congratulations!
16:28 Jordach hey 0gb
16:28 [0gb_us] Hey, Jordach.
16:31 PilzAdam [0gb_us], Im actually not as evil as you may think
16:32 [0gb_us] You may not be evil, but you turned down a similar config setting in lava, PilzAdam.
16:32 PilzAdam the lava thing is completly different
16:32 [0gb_us] Saying the game maker should make the choice, not the user. The fire has the same concept.
16:33 [0gb_us] Lava is not different.
16:33 PilzAdam fire acutally can cause massive damage
16:33 PilzAdam now the admin can just do /set disable_fire true
16:33 [0gb_us] Yes, and if that damage is part of the game, it's part of the game.
16:34 [0gb_us] And an admin should ba able to set lava to renew.
16:35 [0gb_us] Also, the client should be able to set the camera to not jerk when the player is damaged. Settings are good.
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16:56 sfan5 Jordach: what does that do?
16:58 Jordach sfan5, print 'fuck this shit'
17:00 sfan5 Jordach: no! the code is "print 'fuk you bitch.'"
17:00 Jordach heh
17:01 sfan5 99% of things compiled are for windows
17:02 Jordach usually.
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17:03 sfan5 brb restarting
17:04 rubenwardy sfan5 mjus
17:04 rubenwardy meh
17:04 rubenwardy sfan5 must use some kind of proxy
17:05 Jordach rubenwardy, he uses a bouncer
17:05 rubenwardy yeah
17:05 rubenwardy I assume it records messages for him
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17:07 Jordach rubenwardy, correct
17:07 sfan5 rubenwardy: yes it does
17:07 Jordach done it fucking twice now]
17:08 Jordach -]
17:08 Jordach pissed up the xubuntu 12.04 iso download from chrome
17:08 sfan5 use aria2c
17:08 Jordach fuck that
17:08 Jordach sfan5, im going to be re-modeling my partitions
17:09 Kacey we need an applied energistics mod...
17:09 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hluPGpkLUZ0
17:09 thexyz Jordach: isn't 13.04 out?
17:10 Jordach thexyz, im using it for re-modeling my mbr partitions
17:10 thexyz oh god why
17:10 thexyz http://www.sysresccd.org/
17:10 thexyz that's all you need
17:10 thexyz (and more)
17:11 Jordach thexyz, xubuntu isos come with gparted
17:11 [0gb_us] PilzAdam and VanessaE are using 13.04, so I assume it is out.
17:11 thexyz that's not a very good idea
17:11 thexyz they also come with load of other shit you won't need for that
17:11 thexyz just use sysresccd
17:12 thexyz it's really awesome, etc, etc
17:13 * Jordach prefers a LTS to a 9 month supported release
17:14 thexyz isn't rolling better for desktop?
17:14 sfan5 [0gb_us]: i' also using 13.04
17:14 sfan5 but bumblebee messed up
17:14 Jordach fumblebee
17:14 * sfan5 agrees with thexyz about sysresccd being awesome
17:14 sfan5 brb restarting again *sigh*
17:15 * ShadowBot wakes up
17:15 [0gb_us] Jordach, I'm still on 12.04 LTS.
17:15 Jordach YAY
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17:17 Jordach im deaf because of earwax
17:17 Jordach (left ear)#
17:17 Jordach so im going to blow it apart with bass
17:17 rubenwardy Added snapping to the node box editor: https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator/commit/0bba423db5ebcda5fe147e6a2f200f789d909897
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17:19 sfan5 damnit! driver still doesn't wokr
17:19 sfan5 *work
17:19 Calinou sfan5: be quiet and do my 13.04 QA! >:(
17:19 Calinou :>
17:20 Jordach sfan5, told you, 12.04 is better
17:20 Calinou you use 12.10, not 12.04
17:21 thexyz muh
17:21 thexyz just use gentoo already
17:21 thexyz your problems won't be so boring
17:21 Jordach arch
17:21 thexyz arch is fine as well
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17:43 sfan5 yay! nvidia gpu finally works
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17:44 Calinou protip: switch to nouveau when upgrading
17:44 Calinou or just reinstall
17:45 PilzAdam sfan5, the old driver works flawlessly after the upgrade for me
17:45 PilzAdam (/me has still upgraded the driver)
17:45 sfan5 PilzAdam: you don't have an integrated gpu (nvidia optimus) don't you?
17:45 Jordach1 i cant use anything above 304.xx
17:45 * sfan5 uses nvidia-304
17:45 Jordach1 high five
17:46 PilzAdam sfan5, I have GTX 460
17:47 sfan5 PilzAdam: I have 520m
17:47 sfan5 +GT
17:50 iqualfragile i have an GeForce 9600 GT and since yesterday im using nouveau and it works great, the only things i had to do was recompiling the kernel (i needet to use the 3.9 because there were some changes) and changing the fan management mode to automatic which i acomplish by using pm utils
17:51 iqualfragile (in previous versions there was no way to controll my fan so it just spun at 100% and 100% is f***ing loud)
17:51 mauvebic have that problem on the p4 lol
17:52 mauvebic that and automatic underclocking
17:53 iqualfragile yeah, reclocking is still a bit experimental with nouveau and i have not tried it yet (and i wont until i really need that extra bit of performance)
17:54 mauvebic well im pretty sure me its just the proc., though with vlc and filters using the hard drive as a buffer, who knows lol
17:55 Calinou iqualfragile: 40% is loud on my 570 already
17:55 Calinou 45% is very loud, never went above
17:55 Calinou I just force at 40%
17:55 Calinou sfan5: don't ask why
17:55 Calinou low end cards == shit drivers
17:56 mauvebic youd be surprised, i still need the latest nvidia drivers for a card i pay 60$ a year ago
17:56 iqualfragile im at 35% at the moment and its allright
17:57 sokomine i'm still uncertain what to buy. for most purposes, a cheap celeron would be more than enough. but how will that one's igp fare with minetest? a slightly larger view range (= more trees visible) would be nice...
17:57 iqualfragile you could use nouveau its allright for minetest
18:03 mauvebic im guessing nouveau works much better on irrlicht than it does blurays lol
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18:04 Calinou mauvebic: lol, low end card
18:04 Calinou sokomine: celeron G1610 + IGP => about 30 FPS without shaders
18:04 Calinou with view range 64
18:04 Calinou that's a bet
18:05 Calinou if you wanted 60 FPS with shaders, you would need a G1610 + 660
18:05 Calinou iqualfragile: 20FPS, sure
18:05 Calinou on a card that can do 300
18:05 iqualfragile nobody needs 60 fps
18:05 Calinou using an alternative driver is stupid
18:05 mauvebic <Calinou> mauvebic: lol, low end card : well it was a P4 lol
18:05 Calinou lol, "eyes only see 24" BS
18:05 iqualfragile no its not
18:05 Calinou it is
18:05 Calinou eyes don't see frames
18:05 Calinou set your fps_max to 24 and see iqualfragile
18:05 iqualfragile i know
18:05 sokomine calinou: hm, doesn't sound too bad. generally, down to 15 fps may be acceptable
18:05 iqualfragile i have that setting
18:05 iqualfragile and its allright
18:06 Calinou 30FPS => playable, 60FPS = fluid
18:06 iqualfragile (well max_fps=30 wanted_fps=24
18:06 iqualfragile )
18:06 mauvebic im not even sure the latest cards would work with such an old mobo/proc?
18:06 Calinou wanted_fps should always be 30
18:06 Calinou more or less hurts performance
18:06 sokomine what are shaders good for anyway? apart from taking up lots of ressources
18:06 Calinou mauvebic: does your mobo support PCI-E 2.0?
18:06 Calinou if so then you can put a recent card
18:06 mauvebic how old is that?
18:06 Calinou sokomine: better lighting, more possibilities, more modern
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18:06 Calinou on a few cards you can even get more fps with them
18:06 iqualfragile sokomine: shaders are awsome and actualy save a SHITLOAD of resources
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18:07 mauvebic my nvidia card plugs in the first one here: http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/operab/2010-07-08_021703_PCI_PCIe_Slots.jpg
18:07 * arsdragonfly is surprised to see that on open up of the irc client
18:08 iqualfragile well at least they are the best known thing to calculate some efects
18:08 iqualfragile btw: we need normal/bumpmap support for minetest (or is it there allready?)
18:08 sokomine oh? thought they just used lots of ressources for (to me) hardly any difference. but that may be due to my 5-year-old onboard-gpu
18:09 Calinou there isn't iqualfragile
18:09 iqualfragile thats sad
18:09 Calinou sokomine: on IGP, shaders do suck
18:09 mauvebic though at least the p4 autodetect if theres a card (onboard graphics shitty lol) the last time i changed a vid card on a much older comp i had to literally flick a jumper
18:09 Calinou uh uh, restricted BIOS mauvebic :P
18:09 arsdragonfly I only have a secondhand fx5200
18:09 Calinou phoenixbios/awardbios = lol
18:09 iqualfragile they can improve the appereace of a game a lot
18:10 Calinou with MCE, not using shaders looks ugly :P
18:10 Calinou (the pack)
18:10 mauvebic thats not my motherboard :p
18:10 Calinou gtg, bye
18:10 Calinou mauvebic: if you bought your PC from an OEM then you have a 100% chance to have a restricted BIOS
18:11 mauvebic so did my router lol
18:11 Calinou it would be less important for the router
18:11 arsdragonfly Yes it is
18:12 arsdragonfly I have a router which my ISP provided me with
18:12 mauvebic theyre all easy to flash
18:12 arsdragonfly jesus christ I can't even do port forwarding without cracking
18:12 mauvebic thats the thing, they made me pay for the modem/router, and you can't use it for any other isp
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18:13 mauvebic its like my phone that advertises tethering but theres no option in the system, so i put cyanogen lol
18:13 arsdragonfly not any other router,in my case
18:14 arsdragonfly there are 2 accounts
18:14 arsdragonfly the user admin can almost do nothing
18:15 arsdragonfly and a backdoor telecom admin:P
18:16 mauvebic they dont need backdoors lol they control the passageway, unless you go nuts with proxies and tor
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18:16 mauvebic and even thats not 100% lol
18:17 arsdragonfly lol I simply turned that off
18:18 jordan4ibanez I tried to do a Let's Play of Realtest. What a failure. Looks like they're doing nice though. Kind of stinks that the main system for cooking is completely broken though.
18:19 mauvebic can you cook delicious bacon with it?
18:19 arsdragonfly believe it or not,the turn-off option is accessible from the config menu
18:20 arsdragonfly and the password was never changed back since then :P
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18:30 mauvebic got dang it, the allergie pills, they do nothing
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18:43 bcnjr5 Hey Calinou.
18:43 Calinou hi
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18:46 [0gb_us] Installing desktops on a virtual machine is SO SLOW ...
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18:47 bcnjr5 I tried asking lua-related questions on stackoverflow. I am now banned for some reason?
18:47 Calinou [0gb_us]: depends on your connection speed for 90% of things
18:47 Calinou allocate ALL the CPU resources for your machine, too!
18:47 Calinou bcnjr5: that's stackoverflow
18:48 Calinou anti-spam probably?
18:48 bcnjr5 I asked 2 questions.
18:48 [0gb_us] I allocated as much as VirtualBox would let me without telling me off.
18:49 [0gb_us] It kept freezing with the default resource allocation.
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18:54 bcnjr5 How do I include a file in lua? (Like #include "stdio.h" but for lua)
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18:56 [0gb_us] dofile()
18:56 [0gb_us] dofile9"stdio.lua")
18:56 [0gb_us] dofile("stdio.lua")
18:56 bcnjr5 Thanks!
18:57 Calinou tip: minetest.get_modpath
18:57 Calinou dofile(minetest.get_modpath("moreblocks").."/stairsplus/slabs.lua")
18:57 Calinou loads ~/.minetest/mods/minetest/calinou_mods/moreblocks/stairsplus/slabs.lua in my case
18:57 Calinou (symlinks ftw)
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18:58 bcnjr5 I was wondering why it seemed too simple...
18:58 bcnjr5 lol
18:58 Calinou I used that example so that you know you can open inside a subdirectory in a mod dir
18:59 bcnjr5 I know. It is kind of like C.
19:01 kahrl it's funny when you look at random code and see some random bits of minetest code
19:01 kahrl http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=45547&amp;view=previous
19:01 bcnjr5 but without ; after everything
19:02 iqualfragile [0gb_us]: does your cpu support virtualisation? when it does its your hdds fault
19:02 kahrl there's some makeCuboid stuff but also notably the "FIXME: Meshbuffer ran out of indices" thing :-)
19:02 jordan4ibanez Hello, kahrl!
19:03 kahrl hey there
19:03 [0gb_us] I think my CPU supports virtualization, due to being able to run a 64 bit guest on a 32 bit host.
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19:04 Calinou irrlicht got famous due to us, I guess, kahrl :>
19:04 Calinou before it was only a Q3A map viewer :>
19:05 Calinou the late iqual: you can't virtualize anything with HW virt, or very slowly (but virtualbox won't boot)
19:05 sfan5 [0gb_us]: IIRC your cpu just needs to support long mode (64bit)
19:05 Calinou some friend of me experienced that with his mobile pentium :3
19:05 Calinou [0gb_us]: O_o
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19:05 Calinou mixing 64 bit and 32 bit in both ways isn't good practice
19:07 [0gb_us] Calinou: It was an experiment. I use 64 bit on 64 bit normally.
19:07 Jordach1 thats what she said
19:08 bcnjr5 Is there a way to do something like extern "c" in lua?
19:08 bcnjr5 wait nvm
19:08 [0gb_us] os.execute("file")
19:08 bcnjr5 Of course not. That defeats the purpose of LUA.
19:08 Calinou with .so files, /somehow/
19:08 Calinou see the IRC mod
19:09 Calinou you have to compile some code to run it
19:09 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905
19:11 rubenwardy1 Calinou: It worked straight away for me
19:11 Calinou huh
19:11 Calinou could you set up the bot so that he joins a channel and stuff?
19:11 * Jordach1 slaps [0gb_us] with Microsoft Vista
19:11 Calinou or did you just download binaries?
19:11 Calinou "microsoft vista" isn't an OS, Jordach1.
19:12 * Calinou whips Jordach1 with another SATA cable
19:12 Jordach1 you missed.
19:12 Calinou now I have 0, 2 of them are used, 1 of them is broken (4 were bundled with my mobo)
19:13 rubenwardy1 bye all
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19:16 jordan4ibanez I wish there were a way to do client side mods through the server.
19:17 jordan4ibanez For mods like, running, eating, breathing, etc. So the client doesn't experience lag and such.
19:18 bcnjr5 jordan4ibanez: There is a game called blockland that does that.
19:18 bcnjr5 jordan4ibanez: I have no Idea how.
19:18 bcnjr5 *idea
19:19 Jordach1 i might to test out that game mauvebic was playing
19:20 jordan4ibanez Well it should be limited to player physics, fov, etc. Things that are client-side only.
19:20 * [0gb_us] slaps Jordach1 with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
19:20 * Jordach1 locks [0gb_us]'s hardware to Windows
19:20 Calinou jordan4ibanez: player physics? we can already do that
19:20 Calinou I'd like to see eye height (and collision radius automagically adjusted proportionally) adjustable though
19:21 jordan4ibanez No, client side.
19:21 jordan4ibanez That would be cool.
19:21 jordan4ibanez You could have dwarves with that.
19:21 bcnjr5 the player classes mod.
19:22 [0gb_us] Jordach1: How can you lock a system that isn't even on my computer?
19:22 Jordach1 uh oh
19:22 [0gb_us] Hmm?
19:23 Jordach1 [0gb_us], im interested in the game mauvebic gort
19:23 Jordach1 got*
19:23 Jordach1 and im going to be installing windows vista
19:23 Jordach1 <Jordach> Windows 7 is yo mamma; FAT
19:23 [0gb_us] Ah. I see. Why did you slap ME wit h"Microsoft Vista" then?
19:24 Jordach1 because i forgot the prefix
19:24 [0gb_us] *with
19:24 [0gb_us] No, why did you slap *ME* with it?
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19:25 bcnjr5 I have Windows 8. It has too many security thingys for me to rum my own OS.
19:25 bcnjr5 *run
19:26 Jordach1 [0gb_us], you hate windows
19:26 bcnjr5 It would be nice if typing *word would replace word.
19:27 * bcnjr5 starts up Code::Blocks and creates new project.
19:27 [0gb_us] Yes, I do. Keep it away from me!
19:29 bcnjr5 (<[0gb_us]> Yes, I do. Keep it away from me!) -- The preceding comment has been processed  by Windows.
19:29 * Calinou plays xonotic overkill
19:29 [0gb_us] It can be processed by Windows. I know it will be, Windows clients connect to this channel too.
19:29 * sfan5 has played some redeclipse
19:30 * bcnjr5 uses Windows 8.
19:30 bcnjr5 [0gb_us]: http://prntscr.com/129px7
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19:33 Jordach1 bcnjr5, using faces of dissaproval?
19:33 Jordach1 oh, and g chrome high five
19:33 * bcnjr5 gives Jordach1 a high five.
19:34 bcnjr5 (✌゚∀゚)☞
19:35 [0gb_us] What's with the screenshot?
19:35 [0gb_us] I don't get it.
19:35 bcnjr5 It's Windows.
19:35 [0gb_us] So?
19:36 [0gb_us] It's Windows, but it's not anywhere near me.
19:36 bcnjr5 ٩◔̯◔۶
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19:42 iqualfragile if you ever need to compile your kernel on your own
19:42 iqualfragile REMOVE INITRD
19:43 iqualfragile it will speed up the boot process a _lot_
19:43 [0gb_us] Will it have any ill effects though?
19:43 iqualfragile no, not unless you are using some strange hardware
19:44 iqualfragile just try it out and do not uninstall your old kernel, then (in case of emergency) you can just boot your old one
19:45 iqualfragile and compress the kernel using lzo
19:47 * [0gb_us] booted into an Openbox session, and is now unable to do anything
19:47 Jordach1 serves you right for not using windows
19:47 iqualfragile rightklick
19:47 Jordach1 <joke>
19:48 [0gb_us] Any idea how to get out besides reboot?
19:48 [0gb_us] Thanks!
19:48 iqualfragile Jordach1: i hope you ment </joke>
19:48 [0gb_us] Jordach1: No, it's what I get for installing a bunch of desktops to try out.
19:48 iqualfragile i have setled for kde
19:48 Jordach1 ugh
19:48 Jordach1 eww
19:48 iqualfragile but im not realy using it…
19:48 bcnjr5 •_•) In Windows.
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19:48 bcnjr5 ( •_•)>⌐■-■
19:48 iqualfragile bcnjr5: yeah, boooooring, nobody cares
19:49 bcnjr5 (⌐■_■) There is only one desktop.
19:49 [0gb_us] What desktop?
19:49 Kacey we need an applied energistics mod...
19:49 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hluPGpkLUZ0
19:49 iqualfragile its just alt+f2 and alt+tab and ctrl+alt+arrows
19:49 iqualfragile bcnjr5: wronk, you have your ugly metro shit and the vista-desktop
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19:50 bcnjr5 Really?
19:50 [0gb_us] bcnjr5: What desktop?
19:50 bcnjr5 I am pretty sure there is 1 desktop.
19:50 Kacey bcnjr5, yes windows 8 has the metro crap and then the normal desktop
19:51 [0gb_us] Oh, in WIndows. Never mind then.
19:51 bcnjr5 •_•) I
19:51 bcnjr5 ( •_•)>⌐■-■
19:51 bcnjr5 (⌐■_■) Have no idea what metro is.
19:52 [0gb_us] bcnjr5: Metro is the Windows version of Unity.
19:52 bcnjr5 You mean Unity 3d?
19:53 [0gb_us] Unity the desktop interface.
19:53 bcnjr5 I'll just google it.
19:53 [0gb_us] Google what?
19:53 bcnjr5 "windows metro"
19:53 [0gb_us] Never mind.
19:54 [0gb_us] I misread, I thought you told me to Google something.
19:56 bcnjr5 ◉︵◉ How did I not notice Metro!?
19:57 bcnjr5 (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
19:57 STHGOM HOW DO YOU DO THOSE FACES?!?!?!?!
19:57 bcnjr5 Darn, wrong face.
19:58 khonkhortisan ctrl-shift-u is the linux alt equivalent
20:01 jordan4ibanez Lol metro is not Windows' version of Unity 3d.
20:02 jordan4ibanez Metro is Windows' "solution" to the intertwining of mobile/desktop environments.
20:02 khonkhortisan ctrl-shift-u 250C 2510 10 2514 2518 ┌┐└┘
20:02 khonkhortisan aw
20:03 [0gb_us] And that's what Unity is. I'm not sure if Unity 3D is the Unity I'm talking about.
20:03 [0gb_us] !g Unity 3D
20:03 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://unity3d.com/
20:03 khonkhortisan ┌┐
20:03 khonkhortisan └┘
20:03 [0gb_us] No, I'm not talking about Unity 3D.
20:03 khonkhortisan 000A is newline
20:03 jordan4ibanez Unity is not that. Unity started off as a desktop environment for touchpad PCs around ubuntu 10.04.
20:03 [0gb_us] Unity is a desktop interface.
20:03 jordan4ibanez Touchpad/notepad.
20:04 jordan4ibanez No it's not. It originally was, but it is now a desktop environment.
20:04 khonkhortisan ┐
20:04 khonkhortisan ┘
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20:04 [0gb_us] I'm not sure what the difference is, but my point is that the Unity I'm referring to isn't a game engine.
20:05 STHGOM_ joined #minetest
20:05 jordan4ibanez It and gnome were originally 2 seperate entities, which I hated, but in 11.04 they started to combine them together.
20:05 bcnjr5_ Could an op please kick me?
20:05 STHGOM_ ?
20:06 STHGOM_ cant you quit?
20:06 Calinou jordan4ibanez: it's perfectly usage on desktps
20:06 Calinou there is a game engine named unity, [0gb_us]
20:06 Calinou unity 3D
20:06 bcnjr5_ I timed out.
20:06 jordan4ibanez I have no idea what point you were trying to convey, Calinou.
20:06 Calinou Kacey: with classicshell you can remove the whole modern UI thing
20:06 bcnjr5_ Now I have an _
20:06 STHGOM /nick bcnjr5
20:06 bcnjr5_ good
20:06 Calinou erm, the other guy timed out
20:07 [0gb_us] Calinou: I know there is a game engine called Unity, I'm saying that the Unity I was talking to is NOT the game engine.
20:07 bcnjr5 I hate it when that happens.
20:10 Mustek bcnjr5:  â”¬â”€â”¬ ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
20:10 Mustek don't flip any tables anymore please
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20:11 bcnjr5 uh...
20:12 bcnjr5 ¯(°_o)/¯
20:13 Kacey we need an applied energistics mod...
20:17 Calinou we need a mod that implements CPUs in minetest, so that we have more powerful PCs
20:18 [0gb_us] I think there's a mescons add-on for that.
20:18 Jordach awesome shirts:http://store.glennz.com/
20:19 Jordach http://store.glennz.com/ *
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20:20 bcnjr5 ¬_¬ No advertising.
20:21 drizz inb4 refferal urls
20:21 Jordach no, these are awesome shirt
20:21 Jordach shirts*
20:22 ssieb in Lua, does setting a table entry to nil remove it?
20:22 [0gb_us] Yes.
20:22 ssieb ok
20:24 khonkhortisan I just found uranium and didn't know what it was
20:24 khonkhortisan ...and marble. Huh.
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20:27 Calinou Jordach: no nvidia tshirt? nope.
20:27 * Calinou got a nvidia tshirt once at some video-game-related thing, but it's too small now :P
20:27 Calinou and I don't even have it anymore
20:33 bcnjr5 gotta go
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20:38 jordan4ibanez I think I like realtest better than my own game mode! \o/
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20:43 jordan4ibanez I have to do so many things to speed it up though.
20:45 STHGOM bye
20:46 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/common: Dont grow flora near nodes with flora_block group ba79c95dd8 2013-04-26T13:43:41-07:00 http://git.io/T7bHmQ
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20:46 PilzAdam ^ VanessaE
20:47 Telek That's so flora will be more spread out?
20:47 PilzAdam it doesnt change anything in the default game
20:48 PilzAdam its just for VanessaE poison ivy mod so that flowers dont grow into the mods' "areas"
20:48 PilzAdam +'s
20:51 VanessaE PilzAdam: looks right to me.
20:52 [0gb_us] VanessaE: You'll need to update plantlife again.
20:52 VanessaE doing it now
20:54 VanessaE done.
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21:02 ssieb Is the code in mods global or per-player?  As in, if there's a variable defined in the mod, would it be visible no matter which player activated the code?
21:03 VanessaE it depends on the part of the mod you're talking about
21:03 [0gb_us] Yeah. Global.
21:03 VanessaE callbacks and stuff are per-player as long as you're using local variables, I think
21:03 VanessaE everything else is surely global
21:04 [0gb_us] At that point it's per function call, not per player.
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21:05 VanessaE [0gb_us]: well if you have a callback for, say, on_punch or on_dig, that's per-player
21:06 VanessaE (because it references the puncher, digger, etc.)
21:06 ssieb right, but I'm referring to mod global variables, not function
21:06 ssieb thank you
21:06 [0gb_us] No, it does refference the player, but each time the function is called, it uses new variables. It's per call.
21:08 sfan5 *yawn*
21:08 PilzAdam ssieb, all mod code runs in the same global namespace
21:09 PilzAdam sfan5, coffee?
21:09 [0gb_us] I installed several desktops today to try them out again, and I was reminded why I don't use them. The desktops themselves are great, but installing them installs a bunch of extra applications I don't want.
21:10 Jordach [0gb_us], what are you using
21:10 khonkhortisan kde is one of those that installs extra
21:10 Jordach <[0gb_us]> xfce4
21:11 PilzAdam [0gb_us], VM
21:11 [0gb_us] I'm using GNOME fallback, as it doesn't install a bunch of garbage. But I tried out XFCE, KDE, LXDE, and maybe a couple others.
21:12 khonkhortisan Unified Inventory: I took a bag from creative to my inventory, clicked the bag button, dragged the bag to bag 1, clicked bag 1. The only way back to the bags menu was to click it at the bottom (clicking the bag itself doesn't work) I then dragged bag 1 to the trash (at the bottom, because the right one is only there in crafting) and cleared my whole inventory except for that bag. I then dropped the bag in the middle of my empty
21:12 khonkhortisan inventory.
21:12 [0gb_us] !g vm
21:12 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine
21:12 VanessaE so tell RBA :)
21:12 VanessaE RealBadAngel: Pine
21:12 VanessaE PING
21:12 VanessaE (sigh)
21:12 [0gb_us] PilzAdam: What about virtual machines?
21:12 khonkhortisan and palm and pineapple
21:13 VanessaE I don't have pineapples ;)
21:13 khonkhortisan Was the selection box fixed on tree seeds? I should update
21:13 PilzAdam [0gb_us], try different desktops there
21:14 [0gb_us] PilzAdam: I did. I installed Ubuntu on VirtualBox, and installed the desktops there.
21:14 [0gb_us] And they all added more applications that I don't need or want.
21:14 PilzAdam well, then why do you complain about so many extra packages?
21:15 FreeFull I like distros that give you a minimal base that you can build upon
21:15 [0gb_us] The issue is that any one of them installs a bunch of junk, so I can't install any of them on my main system.
21:15 celeron55 >Wonderful submit, very informative. I ponder why the opposite experts of this sector don't notice this.
21:15 celeron55 You should continue your writing. I'm sure, you have a great readers' base already!|What's Happening i'm
21:15 celeron55 new to this, I stumbled upon this I've discovered It positively useful and it has aided me out loads. I'm
21:16 celeron55 hoping to give a contribution &amp; assist different users like its aided me. Good job.
21:16 [0gb_us] Like, why do they all come with a separate web browser? I asked for a desktop, not a browser.
21:16 celeron55 wordpress spam 8D
21:16 celeron55 this is the most insane kind of thing in existence
21:17 PilzAdam [0gb_us], do you use the meta packages?
21:17 Calinou [0gb_us]: the world of linux DEs is like sauerbraten capture
21:17 [0gb_us] PilzAdam: Maybe?
21:17 Calinou gtg, bye, night
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21:17 [0gb_us] !g sauerbraten capture
21:17 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://sauerbraten.org/docs/game.html
21:17 jojoa1997 hi
21:18 [0gb_us] Hey.
21:18 jojoa1997 the tnt is working great for minitest
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21:20 PilzAdam w00t! /me's picture of a mg v7 map is on omploaders front page!
21:20 [0gb_us] Ha ha, nice!
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21:24 jordan4ibanez Can we use v7 mapgen yet?
21:25 [0gb_us] Yeah, but it's all stone.
21:25 john_minetest Wow, minetest is 3/5 pictures on ompldr's front page.
21:25 [0gb_us] mg_name = v7
21:25 [0gb_us] Add that to your conf and start a world.
21:27 jojoa1997 how would i make torches dig gravel and sand?
21:28 jordan4ibanez I love the huge oceans.
21:28 jordan4ibanez Mapgen is now interesting again.
21:30 jojoa1997 yes it is i love it
21:30 jojoa1997 jordan i am using some of your tnt code in mionitest(digging nodes and particles)
21:31 jojoa1997 O.o
21:31 jojoa1997 i just climbed a mountain
21:31 Jordach jordan4ibanez, biomes are now in lua
21:32 jojoa1997 jordach where
21:32 jordan4ibanez How would I define one?
21:32 Jordach jojoa1997, mapgen V7
21:32 Jordach jordan4ibanez, no idea
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21:32 Jordach but it can be done when its finished
21:32 ssieb PilzAdam: Does that mean the variables are global between mods as well?  So any mod can see another's variables?
21:32 jordan4ibanez hmmmm
21:32 jojoa1997 ok where can i define them
21:32 khonkhortisan Variables _are_ global between mods unless explicitly local
21:32 Jordach no idea
21:32 PilzAdam ssieb, yes, if it isnt local
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21:33 khonkhortisan We are currently using mapgen_v6
21:33 jojoa1997 jordach where is the stone biome defined
21:33 Jordach jojoa1997, its NOT FINISHED
21:33 Jordach learn to read
21:34 khonkhortisan Well you said "now in"
21:34 [0gb_us] Stone biome is the whole world.
21:34 [0gb_us] It is the only biome.
21:34 khonkhortisan Stone as a surface biome, like how desert_stone can be?
21:34 * jojoa1997 is playing with tnt that digs and has god physiscs
21:35 [0gb_us] khonkhortisan: There is no desert stone in v7 yet.
21:35 khonkhortisan If I run at a moretree, the clouds flicker
21:36 khonkhortisan and the sky tries to turn black
21:45 john_minetest what is the purpose of v7?
21:45 jordan4ibanez I'm creating a game mode like realtest, only when you die, you get banned from the world forever. Genious.
21:45 khonkhortisan Being better.
21:46 khonkhortisan I hear it has tall mountains
21:46 khonkhortisan What if you kill someone?
21:46 khonkhortisan Or last-man-standing?
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21:47 jordan4ibanez If everyone dies, the world gets deleted, haha.
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21:49 [0gb_us] V7 is because people are unhappy with current mapgen. So they're making a better one.
21:50 Telek 0gb_us: You forgot the '' around better :)
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21:51 [0gb_us] You don't think it's better then?
21:51 [0gb_us] I'm fairly indifferent to it myself.
21:51 Jordach after one hour of intense apt-get bs, it finally runs: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-260413-224940.php
21:52 Jordach honestly, fuck ARM
21:52 Jordach and i think i can say this: windows has gaming cut out for them
21:53 [0gb_us] Meh. Games aren't worth using Windows for me.
21:54 FreeFull Jordach: raspberry pi + debian?
21:54 khonkhortisan The games that are worth playing my computer can't handle
21:54 FreeFull Or some other ARM device?
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21:57 Telek Alpha FTW! Followed by SPARC, then MIPS :)
21:57 khonkhortisan heh, taking an apple makes the apple above it fall
21:57 Telek Yep
21:58 Telek Also burning the leaves around it.
21:58 Telek I had a ground covered with them after a firestorm swept through my interconnected trees.
21:58 Jordach FreeFull, the NDS uses ARM
21:58 Jordach so emulating DS games is probably 600x better than on x86
21:59 Telek khonkhortisan: You haven't looked around enough then. There's plenty of games worth playing if 'visual quality' isn't the key metric :)
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22:01 Jordach im rather unimaginative when it comes to rival names: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-260413-230036.php
22:03 [0gb_us] Yeah, I usually use one of the default names.
22:04 Renoki same here
22:04 khonkhortisan I like moretrees, I can make a path right through a clump of them
22:05 Jordach [0gb_us], i got Hugh
22:06 Jordach tomorrow i will be watching Iron Man 3
22:06 Jordach (in a REAL CINEMA.)
22:07 VanessaE bbl
22:12 Jordach ugh, i never knew 27fps was sooooo sloow
22:13 [0gb_us] I do fine on 27 FPS.
22:13 Jordach [0gb_us], DS Emulation requires a rig like Calinou's PC
22:14 [0gb_us] Ah, DS emulation. Maybe it requires more frames than Minetest.
22:14 Jordach [0gb_us], the DS plays at 60fps
22:14 Jordach my pc plays at 17-27
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22:15 Jordach considering i actually own a DS, i know the speed diff.
22:15 ssieb Lua seems so primitive... :-/
22:16 Jordach Linux 1.x seems so primitive... :-/
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22:16 ssieb just implementing a FIFO is difficult
22:16 ssieb Jordach: are you saying that it's just because it's a new language?
22:16 kaeza greetings
22:17 Jordach hey kaeza
22:17 [0gb_us] Greetings.
22:17 Jordach i just got to play black 2 on a ds emu
22:17 kaeza hey Jordach
22:17 kaeza hey [0gb_us]
22:17 Jordach i can safely say the DS is better on its own hardware
22:19 * Jordach waits 8 hours for the iso to download
22:19 ssieb ok, in this case it was just me misunderstanding the difference between different ways of manipulating a table
22:21 kaeza PilzAdam, do you have a build with latest changes?
22:22 kaeza (hud_set_flags I mean)
22:26 Jordach <Jordach> I am genuinely exited about using windows
22:29 Jordach [0gb_us], ^
22:31 PilzAdam kaeza, tomorow
22:32 kaeza PilzAdam, ok
22:33 [0gb_us] Jordach: I was genuinely exited at the end of last term, when I got to stop using Windows.
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22:37 Jordach how dafuq does windows use less space than linux
22:38 Jordach i removed win with 40gb free, linux now has 4gb free
22:47 kaeza Jordach, for one, the UI is mostly integrated on the OS (speaking of files, not of functionality)
22:48 kaeza whereas Linux distros may have Gtk2+Gtk3+wxWidgets+whatever
22:50 ssieb Since the software is free, you tend to get a lot more software installed by default.  But that still seems huge.
22:50 kaeza also, you have only a handful of APIs for audio/video on Win (either WinMM or DSound)
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22:50 kaeza where on Linux you have ALSA, OSS, PulseAudio, etc
22:51 ssieb you only have ALSA or PulseAudio now (OSS is emulated by ALSA)
22:51 kaeza there are lots of compatibility stuff in linux distros
22:51 kaeza that's why they are so bloated sometimes
22:51 ssieb ALSA is the actual underlying interface.  PulseAudio just makes it useful. :-)
22:52 Jordach !g xkcd standards
22:52 MinetestBot Jordach: http://xkcd.com/927/
22:52 kaeza Jordach, lol
22:53 Jordach well, at least windows got it right first time
22:53 kaeza Jordach, if you want a lightweight yet full-featured Linux distro, go for Puppy
22:54 kaeza the ISO is only ~130MB
22:54 Jordach ew
22:54 khonkhortisan and jackd
22:55 [0gb_us] No, Windows got it wrong and never fixed it.
22:55 kaeza plus is uses a squashfs image to store your files
22:56 kaeza there is just one minor detail
22:57 kaeza well, two: it does not come with gcc and related tools, and adding multiuser support is a PITA
22:57 Jordach !g define PITA
22:57 MinetestBot Jordach: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PITA
22:57 * khonkhortisan saw an ostrich doing the moonwalk
22:57 kahrl windows comes with a C# compiler nowadays, at least
22:58 PilzAdam bye
23:02 Kacey http://xkcd.com/953/
23:04 kaeza thexyz, I already made meh own font, thanks anyway
23:05 Exio [19:51:30] <ssieb> you only have ALSA or PulseAudio now (OSS is emulated by ALSA)
23:05 Exio i think someone missed jackd
23:05 khonkhortisan I didn't see the punch line coming on that one
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23:07 Exio ah
23:07 Exio you said jackd too - sorry khonkhortisan :P
23:09 kaeza Exio, connecting on 1G again :P
23:09 kaeza ?
23:09 Exio no, now at home
23:10 ssieb Exio: sure, that's at the same level as PA
23:11 ssieb and they have very different uses
23:11 Exio different uses?
23:12 ssieb PA is for normal desktop use.  jackd is for very low latency audio work
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23:14 sokomine hi bas080
23:14 bas080 hey sokomine
23:14 kaeza hey bas
23:14 bas080 kaeza!
23:14 * sokomine stares at a sideway moretrees thrunk
23:14 kaeza hey sokomine
23:15 bas080 sokomine, in aww?
23:15 sokomine what does "aww" stand for?
23:15 kaeza bas080, http://youtu.be/ZkqBpEAYcz4
23:16 kaeza now adding new stuff
23:16 bas080 amazement
23:16 jordan4ibanez If I made a TF2 mod, could someone host a server for it?
23:17 kaeza jordan4ibanez, I was going to host a server when I finished firearms
23:17 kaeza I can host that
23:17 sokomine what does the mod do? (no, i don't have a server, but there are so many out there)
23:17 sokomine aah
23:17 Exio er
23:17 kaeza !up kaeza.no-ip.org
23:17 MinetestBot kaeza.no-ip.org:30000 seems to be down
23:17 sokomine hm, yes, i like my new singleplayer world. your trees are in there as well, bas080 :-)
23:18 kaeza hmm
23:18 bas080 kaeza, looking good!
23:18 kaeza bas080, thanks
23:19 kaeza I don't like the realistic-looking weapons
23:19 kaeza I'll make some pixelated ones
23:19 bas080 sokomine , glad you like it. Btw i have been building in Vivalandia map. If you have time i could show you around or you can join whenever you want.
23:20 sokomine oh, fine!
23:21 sokomine is your server on the public list by now? because i've only stored the ip and am not sure which one it was
23:21 bas080 ip is 31.151.189.3
23:21 bas080 port 30001
23:21 sokomine figured it halfway out :-) there's whois (now that you're on irc)
23:23 bas080 kaeza, Do the weapons work with an bullet entity? And is collision detection working well?
23:23 kaeza bas080, no more entities
23:23 sokomine bas: hm. no connection?
23:24 bas080 checking for issue
23:24 bas080 You can now connect.
23:24 bas080 I should really make my ip static :(
23:24 kaeza bas080, it now casts a ray from the user and checks if there's any entity in the bule'ts path
23:25 kaeza bullet's*
23:25 kaeza had fun killing peaceful npcs yesterday ^^
23:25 bas080 kaeza, sounds much more reliable. And i heard camera zooming was coming to lua. So sniper with scope!
23:26 bas080 :D
23:26 kaeza :O
23:27 bas080 sokomine, i fixed the ip forwarding
23:27 * VanessaE is back
23:28 sokomine poor peaceful npc!
23:28 sokomine bas: i'm coming
23:28 bas080 it was not in vain. kaeza was entertained.
23:29 kaeza bas080, https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-firearms/blob/master/kutils.lua#L67
23:32 bas080 can i help to reset it for you
23:32 bas080 I cleared your password
23:33 bas080 You should be able to reset it in game
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