Time  Nick               Message
00:00 Gambit             He's taken a liking to discussing bestiality now.
00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet   is there a mod that has steel bars
00:00 mauvebic           bestiality? is it monday already
00:00 Gambit             Specifically goats.
00:00 VanessaE           ohh brother
00:00 mauvebic           "he swore he'd love me until the end of time! i didn't realize he meant until closing time"
00:01 VanessaE           Gambit: well, all of @gateway/web/freenode/ is muted now anyway
00:01 Gambit             Ah okay.
00:01 mauvebic           cant blame me, i only suggested sheep-fornication mod :p
00:02 mauvebic           its kinda hard to sex other players, they all seem to be eunuchs
00:02 mauvebic           oh and the cooking dead players to soap mod, that was my idea too :P
00:02 VanessaE           well nevermind that such topics would be borderline illegal here - too many < 18 year olds here.
00:02 mauvebic           lol
00:02 mauvebic           if you think im being serious... :p
00:02 VanessaE           (nevermind them just being offtopic)
00:02 Exio               here and freenode
00:03 Exio               (iirc)
00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet   is there a mod that has steel bars
00:03 mauvebic           kinda throw those out there to see if someone would actually do it
00:03 enchilado          VanessaE: uh... it's illegal to talk about sex in front of people who are under eighteen?
00:03 VanessaE           enchilado: yep, unless you are a parent giving your child the "birds and the bees" talk, it's illegal
00:03 mauvebic           no but any kind of fornication mod might cause parents' to remove minetest' from their childs' computer :p
00:03 enchilado          VanessaE: in what crazy country is that the case?
00:04 Exio               http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#offtopic
00:04 mauvebic           in puritanical america :p
00:04 Exio               Unlawful activities and their related support activities are considered off-topic, as are inappropriate advertising, heavy media file trading, gaming and proprietary game software modding, warez, hax0r activity, porn and various forms of antisocial behavior, including (but not limited to) political, racial, ethnic, religious or gender-related invective. Off-topic activity may result in users being barred
00:04 Exio               from the network.
00:04 mauvebic           i saw a fail video of someone pretending to fornicate with an inflatable dolphin, they got arrested (this, in florida)
00:05 * jojoa1997|Tablet is under 18
00:05 VanessaE           enchilado: USA, where else :-/
00:05 enchilado          Exio: where does it mention talking about sex?
00:05 VanessaE           we would get tagged as child predators or something.
00:05 mauvebic           though i also found 25 videos of someone honking a train horn all around town, they got away with, so go figure  :p
00:05 enchilado          VanessaE: while freenode has servers in the US, it's based in the UK
00:05 VanessaE           enchilado: people here in the US are fucking insane about it
00:06 Exio               jojoa1997|Tablet: we got your age, btw
00:06 VanessaE           yeah well tell that to the US government.  Didn't you know our borders extend from pole to pole and date line to prime meridian?
00:06 VanessaE           :-/
00:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   so what it is obvious isnt it
00:06 enchilado          VanessaE: I mean - are you telling me they have an 18+ rating on all movies with sex mentioned in them?
00:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   no
00:06 VanessaE           enchilado: it depends.
00:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   pg13
00:06 VanessaE           a mere mention, no
00:06 enchilado          What about sex scenes?
00:07 VanessaE           some kind of sex act, even alluded to, often yes
00:07 jojoa1997|Tablet   RRRRRRRR
00:07 VanessaE           sex scenes?  NC17.
00:07 jojoa1997|Tablet   NC19
00:07 VanessaE           (what we used to call X)
00:07 jojoa1997|Tablet   is there a mod that has steel bars
00:07 VanessaE           jojoa1997|Tablet: homedecor has.
00:07 VanessaE           also 3dforniture
00:07 VanessaE           (from which they're taken()
00:07 VanessaE           )
00:09 enchilado          VanessaE: here movies with mild sex scenes probably have an M15+ rating, which means they need to be 15 or over to watch it - unless they're accompanied by a parent or guardian.
00:11 VanessaE           enchilado: here if it gets violent or references to a sex act (say, two people getting it in behind closed doors, out of the camera's view), it's almost guaranteed to get a PG13.  R pretty much for really harsh language, full frontal nudity, significant violence.   NC17 for pretty much anything more than that.
00:11 VanessaE           unofficially, "XXX" if it's specifically a porno flick
00:11 VanessaE           (which is more or less equivalent to NC17)
00:12 enchilado          Why does violence have a lower rating than sex?
00:12 VanessaE           I don't know.
00:12 VanessaE           bunch of prudes.
00:12 Kacey              http://ompldr.org/vaTZmdQ/screenshot_33834768.png infinite powa!!!!!!!
00:12 VanessaE           most of us here blame it on the religious nutjobs.
00:12 VanessaE           Kacey: and infinite lag :)
00:13 enchilado          Kacey: yellowstone?
00:13 VanessaE           (not really lag)
00:13 Kacey              no, no lag at all
00:13 VanessaE           enchilado: Mesecons, like redstone
00:13 Kacey              just stays on
00:13 VanessaE           enchilado: the object depicted is a delayer, similar to a redstone repeater.
00:13 ShadowNinja        Kacey: try a NOT gate ;-)
00:13 enchilado          Hrm :\
00:14 milleja46          geez really need a unregistered channel XD
00:14 VanessaE           enchilado:  http://mesecons.net/items.php
00:14 enchilado          Minetest could be a fantastic game, but I find it disappointing that it copies so much of what Minecraft does (especially since Minecraft does a lot of stuff poorly)
00:15 khonkhortisan      a delayer combined with either a not or a diode
00:15 khonkhortisan      Don't worry, minetest does some things poorly on its own
00:15 VanessaE           enchilado: a lot of that copying is unavoidable though
00:15 VanessaE           I mean, it IS a voxel-based sandbox
00:15 enchilado          I think less of it is unavoidable than it seems at first, but I agree some of it is
00:16 enchilado          I mean, unless you want to do something crazy you're still going to have grass and rivers and trees and stone and dirt and such.
00:16 VanessaE           right
00:16 VanessaE           but then, we have my moretrees mod.  I don't think MC has anything like that :D
00:16 enchilado          I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't hate Minetest for copying Minecraft or anything
00:16 enchilado          I'd just love to see a game that did something very different with the idea
00:17 VanessaE           you can be sure MT won't clone anything from MC that's just plain stupid
00:17 VanessaE           (why, for example, do we need the Ender Dragon?)
00:17 Kacey              ShadowNinja, i know but this was an idea
00:18 ShadowNinja        VanessaE: if you include mods they do have that
00:19 VanessaE           ShadowNinja: oh?
00:19 VanessaE           heh
00:19 enchilado          It kind of seems like Minetest was designed by looking at each aspect of Minecraft and thinking "how should we do this bit?"... I'd love to see what might happen if someone just started with the blocks and worked up from there...
00:19 VanessaE           enchilado: some of it is like that, but much of it isn't
00:20 VanessaE           every mod I've made, for example, was purely "what else does this need to be 'right'?", without ever looking at MC
00:20 NakedFury          minetest will get there after it has its basics done first. sadly the basics mean doing things that minecraft had first so it will seem as copying
00:25 Exio               the thing what i like about MT over MC is the opensource-ness
00:26 Exio               you can modify a lot of stuff what is actually a pain in MC with a simple editor
00:26 Exio               and with real code
00:26 ShadowNinja        Yay 60 pull requests now! *irony mark*
00:27 Exio               tell me how you would change the code of minecraft to make the grass liquid
00:28 Exio               or being able to tweak the code of something what draws the HUD, or so
00:28 khonkhortisan      Or to have it texture every block the same
00:29 mauvebic           <enchilado> check out blockscape, its not trying to copy MC ;p
00:29 Exio               i mean, you can actually tweak a lot of the game without ever having to decompile and understand code what looks like brainfuck
00:29 jojoa1997|Tablet   VanessaE can i have a link to homedecor
00:29 VanessaE           no :)
00:29 Exio               aww
00:29 VanessaE           http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=26061
00:30 jojoa1997|Tablet   the foru,
00:30 VanessaE           :D
00:30 VanessaE           just kidding
00:30 VanessaE           see aboe
00:30 VanessaE           above*
00:33 jojoa1997|Tablet   is there a way i can make mesecons lose power as its distance from the source increases
00:34 VanessaE           dunno
00:34 VanessaE           and I would hate if they did, too
00:35 khonkhortisan      If you can make mesecons lose power over distance, your effort would be better-spent allowing multiple wires in the same node.
00:35 mauvebic           pipeworks has flow pressure, the equivilent would be "tension" in mesecons
00:35 jojoa1997|Tablet   unless i can make each wire lose a bit of pressure
00:36 khonkhortisan      So if I put a diode in the wire, it'll increase the "pressure"?
00:36 mauvebic           which is perfectly natural, wires dont have infinite range ithink
00:37 jordan4ibanez      http://imgur.com/9pP7Jue,Azk04W3#0 the first or the second
00:37 jordan4ibanez      or both?
00:37 khonkhortisan      what is it?
00:37 jordan4ibanez      a manvil
00:38 jordan4ibanez      a manly anvil
00:38 NakedFury          is the difference a bigger...head area?
00:38 khonkhortisan      the second
00:38 khonkhortisan      the difference is an edge on the texture, no?
00:40 jordan4ibanez      http://imgur.com/eAbb9l5,qhOszEI#0
00:40 jordan4ibanez      better angle
00:41 khonkhortisan      the hoe detected the trees in the distance better than the bucket did
00:43 ShadowNinja        jordan4ibanez: The bigger one
00:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   i only sw one
00:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   O.o
00:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   how did i have xpanes in my normal mods but not in minitest
00:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   speaking of which would anyone like to do a review on minitest with the next release?
00:47 Exio               random thingy
00:47 Exio               https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/653#issuecomment-16718033
00:49 Exio               how would you suggest that?
00:49 khonkhortisan      I only care that I can see white-on-white
00:50 Exio               hm :P
00:50 Exio               i mean, would you make it red-ish when low health (like less than MAX_HP/4)
00:50 jordan4ibanez      I accidentally found the perfect texture on google images http://i.imgur.com/KFHrb9Q.png
00:51 NakedFury          I like that one
00:51 NakedFury          the sides needs a little touch
00:51 khonkhortisan      I've played games that do that. It goes something like white - green - yellow - red or something like that
00:52 jojoa1997|Tablet   i like it
00:52 jojoa1997|Tablet   Jordan would this be for repairing tools
00:52 Exio               that would be a cool feature, if you enable health_based_crosshair, the "crosshair_color" option gets ignored and things like that should be used - no?
00:52 jojoa1997|Tablet   also i suggest letting us rename them
00:53 jojoa1997|Tablet   like each tool gets a name
00:53 khonkhortisan      It could either colorize an image or pick from multiple images to change the color
00:54 Exio               colorize, not multiplie images
00:54 Exio               it can be done with small tweaks
00:54 khonkhortisan      Some people might want a circular health bar on the cursor
00:55 khonkhortisan      But that might be something for the gui
00:55 Exio               that should be done with the luahud
00:55 khonkhortisan      hud, that's what I meant
00:55 Exio               (adding that), but making it client-sidely would be nice
00:55 Exio               as i really don't want to overcomplicate the crosshair, really
00:56 Exio               (even if i'm doing that! :P)
01:25 jordan4ibanez      who would like to test the snooper powertools and anvil to repair them?
01:26 Kacey              i might
01:29 jordan4ibanez      https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black
01:29 jordan4ibanez      what I need you to test:
01:30 jordan4ibanez      snooper drill: right click, and it removes stone and unearths ores
01:30 jordan4ibanez      snooper shovel: right click and it removes crumbly nodes
01:30 jordan4ibanez      snooper drill works as a pick, and snooper shovel works as shovel
01:31 jordan4ibanez      after you've damaged the snooper tools, put down an anvil and use a hammer to repair the tools
01:31 jordan4ibanez      you need to have the tools in this order: hammer,steelblock,powertool for you to fix the powertool, just punch the anvil and it will transfer some of the health of the hammer to the powertool and will remove a steelingot
01:32 jordan4ibanez      and it should play a nice clang sound
01:34 Kacey              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j87PXzF0mJw&list=SPDE23FAC8A681FA46
01:56 Kacey              night all
01:58 jojoa1997|Tablet   jordan where is your wiki
02:01 jordan4ibanez      it's on the main topic of the forum post
02:02 * jojoa1997|Tablet grrrr
02:02 kaeza              misc: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85750#p85750
02:04 jojoa1997|Tablet   jordan4ibanez maybe a formspec would allow you to do more later on
02:06 jordan4ibanez      I don't like formspecs, they're too non-interactive
02:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   maybe not
02:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   make the player put the tool and steel block in the envil and then have them ihit it with the hammer
02:09 jordan4ibanez      True, I don't know how to make formspecs though sadly, that's the main reason I don't use them
02:09 jojoa1997|Tablet   look at others i could help you tomorrow with it
02:11 jojoa1997|Tablet   you interested?
02:11 jojoa1997|Tablet   becuase formspecs can be interactive if done right
02:12 jordan4ibanez      I think I'll do it my self, but thanks for the offer
02:14 jojoa1997|Tablet   VanessaE is it free to make wikis like your homedecor.wikia?
02:14 VanessaE           yes
02:15 jojoa1997|Tablet   oh and jordan your flower mod is being used in minitest
02:16 jojoa1997|Tablet   and item_drop
02:16 jojoa1997|Tablet   VanessaE how?
02:17 jordan4ibanez      give me credit jojoa
02:17 VanessaE           just go there, make an account, and create a page
02:17 jojoa1997|Tablet   jordan i always give credit
02:21 jojoa1997|Tablet   jordan i know you do videos could you make a game review for minitest
02:21 jojoa1997|Tablet   i would do it but i just dont have the computer
02:25 jojoa1997|Tablet   could you do that jordan4ibanez^
02:26 jordan4ibanez      Probably not, sorry
02:26 jojoa1997|Tablet   ok well bettime
02:26 jojoa1997|Tablet   cya
02:34 kaeza              jojoa has a gambling addiction
02:38 mauvebic           lol
02:46 jordan4ibanez      Oh I guess making a formspec isn't that hard lol http://i.imgur.com/i7IAccY.png
02:46 mauvebic           its like mini css
02:48 jordan4ibanez      but css is poop
02:49 mauvebic           yes, yes it is
02:50 mauvebic           between css and jquery, webdev is some boring shit these days lol
02:50 mauvebic           all these platforms/langs and websites look more generic than ever lol
02:55 jordan4ibanez      how do I set text for a formspec?
02:55 mauvebic           labels
02:56 jordan4ibanez      Can you show me a small example?
02:56 jordan4ibanez      oh
02:56 jordan4ibanez      field[<X>,<Y>;<W>,<H>;<name>;<label>;<default>]
02:57 mauvebic           not sure about W/H
02:57 mauvebic           i dont think you need to supply those
02:57 mauvebic           the label takes up as much space as it needs up to a certain char length
02:58 mauvebic           its not field either
02:58 mauvebic           i think : label[<X>,<Y>;<text>]
02:58 mauvebic           most of the mods use label so if i have it wrong it shouldn't be hard to find working example
02:59 jordan4ibanez      label[<X>,<Y>;<label>]
02:59 jordan4ibanez      got it, thank you
02:59 mauvebic           no prob
03:00 jordan4ibanez      all these things use different numbers and don't seem to follow +x ,+y from the top left corner, it's kind of weird
03:00 mauvebic           x y is the grid position as if everything were inventory squares
03:00 mauvebic           starting from top left
03:01 jordan4ibanez      can I use 3.5 and such
03:01 mauvebic           inventory squares can have their own labels, but theyre sortof overlayed on the square which IMO i think is ugly lol so i put labels next to/ontop of it
03:01 mauvebic           yeah you can use decimals
03:01 mauvebic           though, 3 = center of 3rd square
03:02 mauvebic           3.5 = would be the start of the 4th square
03:02 jordan4ibanez      Oh nice, time to get my ocd on!
03:03 mauvebic           i am too, learning the ropes of BS lol
03:04 mauvebic           blockscape not bullshit lol
03:04 mauvebic           i dunno why they all refer to it like that lol
03:04 mauvebic           must not mean the same thing in Germany lol
03:05 jordan4ibanez      obsessive compulsive disorder, I find myself stuck in a loop for maybe an hour sometimes adjusting a mods text, it's weird
03:05 jordan4ibanez      lol test, a mods anything basically
03:05 mauvebic           well ocd is basically the reason i need a game with very high detail lol
03:06 jordan4ibanez      Ahh okay
03:10 MissValeska        Hey
03:10 MissValeska        Um, I need help
03:10 MissValeska        I need Minetest on a Power PC Mac 10.5
03:10 mauvebic           good luck, mac builds aren't updated often
03:10 mauvebic           for lack of users
03:11 jordan4ibanez      a power pc?
03:11 jordan4ibanez      Wat
03:11 VanessaE           I didn't know Mac still used PPC.
03:11 VanessaE           I thought everyone moved to x86 architecture already
03:12 jordan4ibanez      My old ppc is down in my basement, I gave up on it after minetest wouldn't compile because I was too lazy to compile irrlicht lol
03:12 MissValeska        Well, Some haven't
03:12 MissValeska        He has a PowerMac G5
03:12 VanessaE           ah
03:13 jordan4ibanez      what os is running on the ppc?
03:13 VanessaE           afraid you'll have to run it in a win or linux virtual machine.
03:13 VanessaE           10.5 = OSX
03:13 jordan4ibanez      GOOD LUCK!
03:13 jordan4ibanez      I couldn't get it to work on linux ppc
03:13 jordan4ibanez      although that irrlicht on linux thing is up for grabs
03:15 MissValeska        OSX
03:15 MissValeska        I can't get linux on it
03:15 jordan4ibanez      yes you can lol
03:15 MissValeska        When ever I try, The graphics doesn't work
03:15 jordan4ibanez      I don't recommend it for inexperienced users at all though
03:15 MissValeska        I have to go into the command line, But I don't know what to do on an Ubuntu live cd from the command line
03:15 jordan4ibanez      the main issue is the radeon graphics
03:16 jordan4ibanez      Maybe you should just pick up a 200dollar pc from a local shop?
03:16 VanessaE           MissValeska: when was the last time you tried it?
03:16 kaeza              just great piece of advice http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85764#p85764
03:16 MissValeska        I tried a few days ago
03:17 VanessaE           MissValeska: you used the mac-specific CD?
03:17 VanessaE           http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-powerpc.iso
03:17 Exio               uh?
03:17 Exio               powerpc and OSX?
03:18 Exio               seems legit :P
03:18 VanessaE           if you can boot from that CD and play around a bit (it will be DOG SLOW), you should be able to install it and use it "for real"
03:18 MissValeska        yes I did
03:18 MissValeska        but, The Graphics had problems
03:18 VanessaE           "OS X originally ran on PowerPC-based Macs. In 2006, the first Intel Macs had a specialized version of 10.4 "Tiger". In 2007, 10.5 "Leopard" was the first to run on both PowerPC and Intel Macs with the use of Universal Binaries. 10.6 "Snow Leopard" was the first version of OS X to drop support for PowerPC Macs."
03:18 MissValeska        I was able to get into the command line
03:18 VanessaE           Exio: so, yeah.
03:19 MissValeska        However, I do not know what to do at that point.
03:19 MissValeska        I do not know how to install it from the command line
03:19 VanessaE           MissValeska: oh ok
03:19 MissValeska        or fix the graphics
03:19 jordan4ibanez      get a new computer lol
03:19 MissValeska        If you can help me, I would greatly appreciate it, I've done a lot of googling, At this point, I don't really know what to do.
03:19 VanessaE           MissValeska: I wish I could help but I'm out of my element here (I only know Linux)
03:20 MissValeska        *hugs* Okay
03:20 MissValeska        Hmmm
03:20 Exio               MissValeska: what gpu?
03:20 MissValeska        Well, What about helping me get Linux on his machine?
03:20 MissValeska        Uhhh
03:20 MissValeska        Lemmie check
03:20 jordan4ibanez      I was almost able to get minetest to run on ppc, but getting linux running on ppc is an adventure which should not be taken
03:20 MissValeska        I'm on teamviewer with him right now
03:20 Exio               hm
03:20 VanessaE           MissValeska: I mean I don't know the specific combination of hardware + OS you're trying to establish
03:20 Exio               sorry, but i need to go to sleep
03:21 Exio               i have school in 5 hours :)
03:21 MissValeska        Kay, Goodnight!
03:21 VanessaE           Exio: Radeon 9600
03:21 Exio               VanessaE: stab me
03:21 MissValeska        I'm checking
03:21 VanessaE           no wait, that's only on dual-core models
03:21 VanessaE           else it has an nVidia GF5200
03:21 MissValeska        Wait
03:22 MissValeska        GeForce FX 5200
03:22 VanessaE           strange, that should have worked practically out of the box.
03:22 MissValeska        That is what his compuyter just told me
03:22 MissValeska        Like, The computer itself worked, The Ubuntu live cd ran fine
03:22 MissValeska        Just, Teh Graphics didn't
03:22 VanessaE           right
03:22 MissValeska        I was able to drop to command line without a problem
03:22 kaeza              VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85770#p85770
03:22 VanessaE           you could even get VESA graphics?
03:22 MissValeska        So, From command line, Can I install Ubuntu? And then download some driver that fixes the graphics?
03:22 MissValeska        VESA?
03:23 VanessaE           kaeza: dealt.
03:23 Exio               well, unity and vesa
03:23 kaeza              thanks :)
03:23 Exio               MissValeska: did you try other distros or, at least, other DE?
03:23 VanessaE           MissValeska: the standard graphics mode nearly all cards can run in, used as a sort of fallback mode if card-specific drivers can't be used.
03:24 MissValeska        Hmm
03:24 MissValeska        I don't know how to run the standard graphics mode
03:24 MissValeska        We didn't try any other distros, He has a limited number of blank CDs
03:24 VanessaE           MissValeska:  you could try installing it and then  `sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop`  and pray it works
03:24 Exio               VanessaE: i'm not sure how the "software-accelerated" llvmpipe or w/e it is would work on a ppc for things like unity or fancy things
03:24 kaeza              another one: http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=5234
03:24 MissValeska        Wait
03:24 VanessaE           Exio: hence the xubuntu-desktop suggestion, which doesn't need fancy accel
03:25 Exio               i'd not do that, instead i'd try to install directly debian
03:25 MissValeska        How do you install Linux from a Live CD in the command line?
03:25 Exio               does ubuntu have support for ppc?
03:25 MissValeska        Yes
03:25 Exio               (i mean, real support)
03:25 VanessaE           but you will not get decent performance out of Minetest without it
03:25 VanessaE           MissValeska: you'd have to use the so-called "Alternate install" CD, but I don't think it supports PPC.
03:26 MissValeska        Hmm
03:26 Exio               - debian
03:26 VanessaE           kaeza: got it, and another I just spotted.
03:26 MissValeska        hmm
03:27 VanessaE           MissValeska: 32 or 64 bit?
03:27 MissValeska        Uhh
03:27 MissValeska        Lemmie see
03:27 kaeza              fuck: http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=5235
03:28 kaeza              err... http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85759#p85759
03:28 khonkhortisan      ...found through view all name's posts
03:28 VanessaE           kaeza: gone.
03:28 kaeza              ah that was the one
03:28 MissValeska        He has a model 7,3 Power Mac G5
03:28 Exio               https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Shouldn.27t_it_just_work_out_the_box_nowadays.3F
03:28 kaeza              3 in one night?
03:29 VanessaE           looks like it's 32 bit.
03:29 VanessaE           MissValeska: try booting with this CD:  http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/precise/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/mini.iso
03:29 Exio               You now have to use KMS with the radeon xorg driver. If you don't you'll fallback into 8 bit pseudo colour with the fbdev driver (see bug). The 8 bit depth will stop ubiquity (the live/desktop installer) working (bug).
03:30 Exio               well, not radeon
03:30 Exio               but other issues too
03:30 Exio               Nouveau Xorg driver not starting
03:30 Exio               See bug. If you have this problem then to use the live CD you will have to create a basic xorg.conf or use the legacy framebuffers rivafb or nvidiafb.
03:30 VanessaE           Exio: so we gotta get her going with Xubuntu or Lubuntu or something, then
03:30 Exio               https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1061790
03:30 VanessaE           fuck Unity up the ass with a long, rusty pole.
03:31 Exio               VanessaE: nouveau will not start anyway, for what i can see
03:31 Exio               https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1061790
03:31 Exio               misbehaving X on quantal ppc w/ nvidia geforce fx go5200
03:31 VanessaE           damn
03:31 VanessaE           nono not quantal
03:31 VanessaE           precise
03:32 MissValeska        Hmm
03:32 Exio               iMac G4 700/800 or other nVidia users
03:32 Exio               Instructions on how to use the old 'nv' driver can be found here.
03:32 Exio               then
03:32 MissValeska        This file is only 28 megabytes
03:32 VanessaE           MissValeska: yep.
03:32 MissValeska        How is that possible?
03:32 VanessaE           that's fine, it's a minimal ISO
03:32 Exio               it downloads all the stuff
03:32 VanessaE           DOWNLOAD ALL THE PACKAGES!!!
03:32 MissValeska        Hmmm
03:32 VanessaE           :D
03:32 MissValeska        kay
03:32 MissValeska        So um
03:32 MissValeska        Can I put it on a USB drive?
03:32 MissValeska        he has one
03:32 VanessaE           MissValeska: burn it like you would a regular ISO and boot from it
03:33 MissValeska        I tried looking into that, But I couldn't figure out how to make itr work
03:33 MissValeska        Well, Okay
03:33 MissValeska        I'm just worried abotu wasting his cds
03:33 MissValeska        Especially on such a small file
03:33 VanessaE           CDs are cheap ;)
03:33 MissValeska        I'd prefer to use the USB drive if possible
03:33 MissValeska        yeah
03:33 Exio               meh
03:33 MissValeska        I guess it's just the utilitarian in me
03:33 VanessaE           you could TRY burning it to a thumb drive
03:33 MissValeska        How would I go about doing that?
03:33 Exio               i just wasted my time trying to post links what can be useful, for what i can see
03:33 VanessaE           not sure, if this were linux I would say to use dd
03:34 VanessaE           dd if=/path/to/mini.iso  of=/dev/sdX  where X is your thumb drive.
03:34 MissValeska        *nods*
03:34 VanessaE           except, OSX is BSD...so that might still work
03:34 Exio               did you try "nouveau.modeset=0"" ?
03:34 MissValeska        Lemmie see about that
03:34 VanessaE           got a command line handy?
03:34 MissValeska        I don't think so
03:34 MissValeska        He isn't in it right now
03:34 VanessaE           shit.
03:34 MissValeska        he is in OSX
03:35 Exio               k
03:35 VanessaE           MissValeska: you have a good backup solution available?  And install media to get you back to OSX if this doesn't work out?
03:36 MissValeska        yeah
03:36 MissValeska        But
03:36 VanessaE           ..but...
03:36 MissValeska        His OSX partition has data we cannot lose
03:36 VanessaE           hrm
03:36 VanessaE           then don't do it.
03:36 MissValeska        Every time i try to partition it from OSX, it fails
03:36 MissValeska        Well, I don't think we will lose data
03:36 VanessaE           get yourself an inexpensive intel/amd PC or laptop
03:37 VanessaE           it isn't worth trying to shoehorn this into a PPC box.
03:37 MissValeska        We are planning on that
03:37 VanessaE           now right now anyway
03:37 VanessaE           not*
03:37 MissValeska        yesh
03:38 khonkhortisan      I can never decide whether to press esc-:q or ctrl+s
03:39 kaeza              idea: let's use vim-like commands in minetest
03:39 kaeza              instead of clicking, you would type ":dig" :D
03:41 kaeza              http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/367/evilest.gif
03:41 VanessaE           kaeza: die in a fire :)
03:41 VanessaE           jk
03:42 kaeza              I removed "fire" mod :D
03:43 kaeza              kahrl just gave me an idea on #-dev
03:43 VanessaE           uh oh.
03:43 khonkhortisan      I made a treehouse by placing wood where it wasn't even, putting fence around the top, then using stairs to even the top out. That's a lot of work for something completely flammable
03:43 VanessaE           when kaeza gets an idea, watch out! :)
03:43 kaeza              I'll make a "Navi" friendly NPC
03:44 khonkhortisan      Now why didn't I remember what navi meant when I've seen the movie?
03:44 VanessaE           Na'vi you mean.
03:44 kaeza              nope, Navi
03:44 kaeza              from The Legend of Zelda
03:45 VanessaE           HAH!
03:45 VanessaE           I called that wrong :)
03:45 khonkhortisan      Then I'm two down
03:45 VanessaE           I was about to ask how a Na'vi could be friendly when there's actually not all that much of such attitudes displayed in the movie :)
03:45 kaeza              she will yell "HEY! LISTEN!" when you use a tool
03:45 kaeza              >:3
03:46 MissValeska        How do I find the path to the USB drive?
03:46 MissValeska        It says disk3s1 in disk utility
03:46 kaeza              /media/something
03:47 VanessaE           probably /dev/disk3s1 then
03:47 VanessaE           keshe needs the raw device name
03:47 VanessaE           kaeza &
03:47 kaeza              ah
03:47 * khonkhortisan    is trying to make y-rotated particles.
03:47 kaeza              or maybe /dev/sdc1
03:48 VanessaE           kaeza: not on BSD/OSX I don't think
03:48 khonkhortisan      All I'm doing so far is spewing the words vertical, bool vertical, and writeU8(os, vertical); everywhere
03:51 jordan4ibanez      http://poll.pollcode.com/ei4xn
03:51 jordan4ibanez      pwease vote pwease
03:51 khonkhortisan      I voted Butter. What's a graveyard, and why anvils?
03:53 jordan4ibanez      A graveyard, a yard with graves, and idk to make graves with anvils lol
03:54 jordan4ibanez      this poll isn't very informative
03:55 jojoa1997|Tablet   Oh yeah I got two votes on my side
03:55 jojoa1997|Tablet   BUDDER
03:55 jojoa1997|Tablet   Jordan check out real test. That has anvils
03:55 khonkhortisan      The answer makes as much sense as the quesion. Are anvils cheap gravestones?
03:57 khonkhortisan      Um, how do I add mods to a minimal world?
03:57 jojoa1997|Tablet   What os
03:57 khonkhortisan      opensuse linux, the Configure button on the world
03:58 khonkhortisan      none of my mods show up for that world
03:58 khonkhortisan      But ones that use minetest_game let me configure mods
04:01 jordan4ibanez      khon: no I was going to make a small blacksmith shop next to the gravesite
04:08 kaeza              this would be nice https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/560#issuecomment-16753212
04:12 khonkhortisan      v3f p_pos = m_pos*BS; ...7 lines later... m_pos = p_pos/BS;
04:12 VanessaE           bbiab.
04:13 kaeza              lol http://cheezburger.com/7360333824
04:13 khonkhortisan      no way
04:14 khonkhortisan      Must be that bing is used by windows users, which develops phrases from the same.
04:17 khonkhortisan      I should make a poll.
04:25 khonkhortisan      Here's a poll on y-locked particles, just for fun http://poll.pollcode.com/1ob2t
04:30 jojoa1997|Tablet   Where is the BUDDER! option
04:32 khonkhortisan      the second and third-to last are close
04:37 jojoa1997|Tablet   Kaeza ping
04:37 kaeza              polo
04:37 jojoa1997|Tablet   Marko pong!
04:38 kaeza              marco*
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   Who wants to play some
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   polo*
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   Anyways
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   Bug in nookex
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   Line 31
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   Make button_exit
04:38 kaeza              edit and pull rq plz
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   Uh no
04:39 jojoa1997|Tablet   I can't
04:39 jojoa1997|Tablet   But pages and backgrounds would be nice
04:40 kaeza              ah I see the error
04:40 kaeza              the dialog does not close
04:41 jojoa1997|Tablet   That and
04:41 jojoa1997|Tablet   ...
04:41 jojoa1997|Tablet   And
04:42 kaeza              ...and?
04:42 kaeza              yes, the box looks ugly
04:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   I am adding background
04:43 khonkhortisan      polo!
04:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   You will see in minitest
04:45 kaeza              fixed box size and button on git
04:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   What about allowing naming of books
04:47 kaeza              wait... somebody removed webchat from ban list?
04:47 kaeza              btw, chaiman==4aiman
04:49 jojoa1997|Tablet   Kaeza this would allow for cool adventur e maos
04:49 jojoa1997|Tablet   Maps
04:49 jojoa1997|Tablet   Bit link please
04:49 jojoa1997|Tablet   Git
04:50 kaeza              wot
04:50 kaeza              https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-kaeza_misc
04:56 khonkhortisan      atan2 uses radians, rotateXZBy uses degrees. Pick a standard, people!
05:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   VanessaE it is
05:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   Late go to bed
05:08 VanessaE           there, now my PC is moved down to the floor where its remaining fan noise won't be blasting me in the ear. :)
05:08 VanessaE           nice quiet room now
05:09 jojoa1997|Tablet   GO TO BED
05:09 VanessaE           no.
05:10 jojoa1997|Tablet   and BTW I am in IB I don't know what sleep is
05:10 VanessaE           IB?
05:11 jojoa1997|Tablet   Higher level AP
05:11 VanessaE           AP?
05:14 khonkhortisan      REM?
05:17 ShadowNinja        kaeza: webchat is no longer banned but it is quieted
05:18 jojoa1997|Tablet   High leve
05:18 jojoa1997|Tablet   Level academics
05:18 jojoa1997|Tablet   https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/lfvd1bsod3mnppn/MiniTest_dev_1_4.zip?token_hash=AAHSmD6SYuINusWYbSrvKVIeB3iaZUZQfIs1DwxzCmeYDg&dl=1
05:18 kaeza              Half Life?
05:19 jojoa1997|Tablet   No mi I test 1.4
05:19 jojoa1997|Tablet   VanessaE try it out. Look at the redstone aka mesecons stuff
05:20 VanessaE           a video will be sufficient.
05:22 VanessaE           evening webdesigner
05:23 jojoa1997|Tablet   http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85782#p85782
05:23 jojoa1997|Tablet   VanessaE I can't make a video
05:23 jojoa1997|Tablet   Anyways got to get to bed cya
05:27 mauvebic           surprisingly this took a long time to build lol https://sites.google.com/site/mauvebic/
05:40 jordan4ibanez      kaeza want to try the anvil?
05:41 kaeza              sure
05:42 kaeza              but... what is it for if I may ask?
05:42 kaeza              tool repair?
05:42 jordan4ibanez      https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black basically you put it down, right click it, put in damaged powertools on the left side of the hammer, and materials (right now only steelblock) on the right side, and then hit the anvil itself with a hammer and it will repair your powertools
05:43 jordan4ibanez      err I mean left side of the hammer picture in the anvil gui
05:43 jordan4ibanez      Yes it is
05:44 jordan4ibanez      if you start a new game mode with latest, it'll give you all the materials you need
05:44 jordan4ibanez      fool around with the powertools with right clicking and digging, they're quite cool
05:49 kaeza              cool
05:50 kaeza              one question though
05:50 kaeza              the spawn spawned on top of me, so I had to noclip out of it
05:50 kaeza              is that normal?
05:51 kaeza              It's cool how the spawn auto-builds itself
05:51 jordan4ibanez      Do you have luajit?
05:51 VanessaE           morning [0gb_us]
05:51 [0gb_us]           Morning, VanessaE.
05:51 kaeza              not currently
05:51 khonkhortisan      I have luajit
05:51 VanessaE           kaeza: GET IT.
05:51 VanessaE           :)
05:51 kaeza              but just 5 secs to spawn the building
05:52 khonkhortisan      Once cmake was able to find it on its own I haven't noticed it
05:52 [0gb_us]           LuaJIT doesn't work with the stable version, right?
05:52 VanessaE           no
05:52 VanessaE           well
05:52 VanessaE           not directly.
05:52 VanessaE           (stable can be compiled against it, but it takes a small hack)
05:52 jordan4ibanez      hmm, I don't know then, I haven't had any issues with the spawn building on me, but everyone else has, I don't understand the issue, and yes that is normal, it takes 15 seconds for the spawn to complete to reduce lag and stress
05:52 khonkhortisan      compile, delete/move, relink
05:52 kaeza              VanessaE, I have it; being too lazy to either install it properly or use your workaround
05:53 [0gb_us]           Which is why I don't use it yet. I have LuaJIT installed, but Minetest doesn't talk to it.
05:53 VanessaE           -stable should be renamed -old-and-crusty :D
05:53 VanessaE           0.4.6-old :-)
05:54 kaeza              jordan4ibanez, the effects when you hit the anvil are awesome :D
05:54 [0gb_us]           No. Dev is the in-progress version. Unless you're a developer, there's no reason to use it.
05:54 khonkhortisan      LUA_INCLUDE_DIR=.../lib/luijit-2.0/src LUA_LIBRARY=.../lib/luajit-2.0/src/libluajit.a
05:54 jordan4ibanez      good! :D
05:54 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: trust me, there are reasons to use it :)
05:54 khonkhortisan      Speed, to name one
05:54 VanessaE           mmhmm
05:55 [0gb_us]           It's not worth updating after every little change, VanessaE. What a pain! Plus, you force your users to update for each change, or suffer incompatibility issues.
05:55 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: not anymore
05:55 VanessaE           that hasn't been a big issue for a while now
05:55 * kaeza            puts a dev version of minetest on [0gb_us]'s head
05:56 [0gb_us]           Not any more? When I log into a dev server, it yells at me and says my client is incompatible.
05:56 * VanessaE         dusts off nekogloop's kitten generator, turns it on, and points it at kaeza
05:56 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: weird, it shouldn't do that.  Even mine does?
05:56 [0gb_us]           I have dev Minetest, but I also have stable, which is what I usually use.
05:56 khonkhortisan      I wish it would tell me both the client and server versions when it thinks they're not the same
05:56 [0gb_us]           VanessaE: I'll check yours, I forget.
05:57 kaeza              which reminds me...
05:58 kaeza              I have to do something elsewhere
05:58 [0gb_us]           VanessaE: Yep, even yours.
05:58 VanessaE           what does it say then?
05:58 VanessaE           I don't use other servers much so I never see that messgae
05:59 VanessaE           message*
05:59 [0gb_us]           It says something to the effect of: # WARNING: YOUR CLIENT MAY NOT BE FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH THIS SERVER.
06:00 [0gb_us]           Including the pound sign.
06:00 [0gb_us]           And the caps lock.
06:00 VanessaE           weird.
06:01 [0gb_us]           Last time I knew what that message was referring to, it meant users couldn't open locked chests without the dev version. A small incompatibility, but still an issue.
06:02 [0gb_us]           That's obviously not the issue this time, but I don't know what is.
06:02 * VanessaE         shrugs
06:03 VanessaE           I run -dev to keep on top of bug fixes mostly
06:03 khonkhortisan      I'm not touching lua hud until I see a mod I can steal code from
06:03 [0gb_us]           Exactly. You're a devloper, so you use the development version.
06:03 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: there are a few already
06:03 kaeza              khonkhortisan, survival_modpack
06:03 VanessaE           kaeza's hunger/survival one
06:03 kaeza              or my stupid clock
06:04 khonkhortisan      ok
06:05 [0gb_us]           I started building a new game mode, but found I didn't have the required level of creativity to finish it. Some developer I am ....
06:07 [0gb_us]           I love being able to mute single applications. I could never do that on my Mac.
06:09 jordan4ibanez      Goodnight peoples
06:09 [0gb_us]           Good night.
06:09 VanessaE           night
06:12 * [0gb_us]         opens up one of his old Mario-like tile sets he made to try to find inspiration. It doesn't work.
06:13 VanessaE           kaeza: server restart (updated to latest git)
06:13 VanessaE           (0gb, :P  ;)  )
06:13 kaeza              wut
06:13 VanessaE           well, you *were* just standing there doing nothin ;)
06:13 kaeza              now you are forcing me to join your server >:(
06:13 VanessaE           you were already there :)
06:13 kaeza              I was?
06:13 VanessaE           mmhmm
06:13 kaeza              oh yes lol
06:14 mauvebic           lol
06:14 khonkhortisan      kaeza will become self-aware eventually...
06:14 [0gb_us]           Hmm. So many cool tiles, but so few that would work in Minetest .....
06:14 kaeza              I just noticed you can't use the HUD API to create custom crosshairs yet
06:15 kaeza              there's no way to specify that an image must be centered arount it's pos
06:15 kaeza              ...or is it?
06:15 khonkhortisan      get the width?
06:15 kaeza              how?
06:15 khonkhortisan      With a formspec, you'd define the width. I don't know how it's done in hud.
06:16 kaeza              you can only set the position in the range 0-1
06:16 khonkhortisan      pos = center - width/2
06:16 kaeza              (where 0 is totally left/up, and 1 is totally right/down)
06:17 kaeza              and how am I supposed to get the width of the image from Lua?
06:17 khonkhortisan      imagemagick
06:17 kaeza              lol
06:17 khonkhortisan      You could hardcode it
06:17 kaeza              again... how am I supposed to know the user's screen size?
06:18 kaeza              what would look ok on 800p, would not on 1024p
06:19 kaeza              <hmmm> hardcode?? what kind of shit is that??
06:19 khonkhortisan      Keep complaining until you get the users' screen sizes.
06:19 kaeza              j/k hmmmm
06:20 VanessaE           ok, off to bed.
06:20 [0gb_us]           Good night.
06:21 VanessaE           night all
06:21 [0gb_us]           Hmm. I found fish bones. THose could be useful, maybe.
06:22 kaeza              night V
06:24 mauvebic           is there fish?
06:24 [0gb_us]           No, but I could add fish fossils using the bone image.
06:25 mauvebic           not sure howit would look underwater, but you could always add fish :P
06:25 [0gb_us]           Meh. I suck at mobs. I'm just trying to put together enough nodes for a game.
06:26 [0gb_us]           Mobs may come later.
06:26 [0gb_us]           These old tiles just don't work well ... They're meant for 2D platformers ....
06:28 mauvebic           must have been madea  long time ago
06:28 [0gb_us]           Yeah, I made these years ago.
06:30 mauvebic           omg im nearly done with my staircase lol
06:32 kaeza              http://cheezburger.com/7348655616
06:34 kaeza              LOL https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7346252032/hABCF079E/
06:35 [0gb_us]           I hate site you have to sign into Facebook to use ...
06:35 [0gb_us]           Hmm. That's a lot of floppies.
06:35 kaeza              you don't need facebook
06:36 [0gb_us]           No, the Facebook comment was about a site I just went to, not the link you posted.
06:36 kaeza              ah ok, sorry :P
06:36 [0gb_us]           No worries.
06:36 kaeza              but yeah, that sucjs if you are required to use fb
06:36 kaeza              sucks*
06:37 kaeza              rho sritched mg kegtops?
06:37 [0gb_us]           I cannot parse that sentence.
06:37 mauvebic           sucjs = javascript fellatio?
06:37 kaeza              LOL
06:37 [0gb_us]           !g fellatio
06:37 MinetestBot        [0gb_us]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellatio
06:38 kaeza              -.-
06:38 mauvebic           you dont know what that means? lol
06:38 [0gb_us]           Hmm. Not what I was expecting ...
06:38 mauvebic           LOL
06:38 kaeza              too young for the internetz
06:38 [0gb_us]           No, I didn't know what it means.
06:38 kaeza              teh*
06:38 [0gb_us]           Though the image on that Wikipedia article makes it clear.
06:39 mauvebic           reminds me of that episode in my family (bbc) where the dentist is looking up the competition and googles "oral contacts" and his face afterwards lol
06:39 kaeza              or goatse
06:39 kaeza              NEVAR google it
07:06 Calinou            mmmph, noone replied to more blocks thread since last night
07:08 [0gb_us]           Sorry to hear that.
07:12 Calinou            why sorry? it's great, noone complained about it being so broken :D
07:12 VanessaE           bah, no sleep for me yet.
07:12 VanessaE           hi.
07:12 Calinou            hi
07:12 kaeza              hi
07:13 enchilado          Hi Calinou
07:13 kaeza              aaaaaaaaand COMBO BREAKER
07:14 * Calinou          backstabs kaeza
07:14 * kaeza            is a zombie
07:14 * kaeza            is also bored
07:15 kaeza              Vanessa's server takesa while to load
07:15 kaeza              fuck my stupid 3G modem :<
07:15 Calinou            ADSL ftw: 3.6/0.6 mbit
07:16 Calinou            optic fiber: my ISP says "SOON."
07:16 VanessaE           kaeza: it always does :-/
07:16 VanessaE           especially if I've been updating mods
07:16 VanessaE           Calinou: well you DID say not to update because it would surely break worlds :-)
07:17 Calinou            at least there shouldn't be unknown nodes now
07:17 kaeza              Calinou, ADSL here = SOON
07:17 kaeza              at least for me :(
07:18 Leoneof            running mintest 4.6 \o/
07:18 Leoneof            minetest*
07:18 VanessaE           Leoneof: no you aren't.  4.6 doesn't exist yet.
07:18 kaeza              0.4.6*
07:18 kaeza              ninja'd
07:18 VanessaE           HIYAH!
07:18 VanessaE           :)
07:18 Leoneof            lol
07:18 kaeza              :P
07:18 Leoneof            typo! 0.4.6
07:19 VanessaE           Calinou: I'll wait until you have ABms in place that'll auto-convert all past and present stairsplus nodes :)
07:19 VanessaE           (or a function I can call with mod-specific params to do the job)
07:43 Leoneof            0.4.6 is slower than .04.5
07:43 Leoneof            0.4.5*
07:43 Leoneof            0.4.5 = ~55fps , 0.4.6 = ~25fps
07:46 kaeza              http://cheezburger.com/7340687616
07:49 VanessaE           kaeza: o.O
07:49 tripod             the candles melt, they fail.
07:49 tripod             due to the bodyheat from dat colon
07:57 celeron55          that sounds like you have tried it
07:57 tripod             you could say that celeron55
07:58 tripod             but im not obliged to answer.
08:00 nyuszika7h         oh god
08:08 Zeg9               Hi
08:10 kaeza              hey Zeg
08:20 VanessaE           zzz
08:30 kaeza              https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_819733454.jpg :(
08:30 VanessaE           ?
08:30 VanessaE           oh
08:31 kaeza              attempted to make a "telescopic scope"
08:32 kaeza              (an "alignment" parameter for images would come in handy here
08:32 kaeza              )
08:33 kaeza              where should I put feature requests for this blue4u guy?
08:33 VanessaE           dunno
08:33 kaeza              (if I should request from him, that is)
08:35 kaeza              hmm... I'll take a look at the src
08:37 Zeg9               Why not "proportional" positioning, like 0,0 is bottom left and 1,1 is top right of screen ?
08:37 Zeg9               For HUD api ^
08:37 kaeza              ahem... isn't that what it does?
08:37 Zeg9               Not really I think
08:37 kaeza              except there's no alignment for stuff
08:38 Zeg9               Are the images scaled when you resize the window?
08:38 PilzAdam           Hello everyone!
08:38 kaeza              nope
08:38 Zeg9               Hi !
08:38 Zeg9               Well, then it isn't what it does :/
08:38 VanessaE           morning PilzAdam
08:38 kaeza              Zeg9, this is the code: http://pastebin.com/K97XNjs7
08:39 kaeza              hello PilzAdam
08:39 Zeg9               Lol, I had 5 terminals open...
08:39 kaeza              Zeg9, only the position is scaled
08:39 kaeza              not the size
08:40 kaeza              so 0.5 is the middle regardless of resolution
08:40 Zeg9               kaeza, probably related to this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/669
08:41 kaeza              yep
08:50 kaeza              ok, I think alignment for some items may be easy to add
08:50 kaeza              I can use the 'number' field of images for alignment
08:50 kaeza              or should I create a new 'alignment' item?
08:52 Zeg9               kaeza: I think you should first fix #669 and make hud proportional to window, that's only my opinion though
08:52 kaeza              hmm... better use the 'direction' field. a bit more consistent with how it is used for "statbar" items
08:53 Zeg9               IMO a new alignment item is a good idea ;)
08:55 kaeza              to tell the truth, hmmmm's comment on the pull discourages me from editing that
08:56 kaeza              I think it IS a bug
08:57 kaeza              and adding a new field would require changes in protocol right?
08:57 kaeza              hrm, this discussion would be better in #-dev I guess
08:59 kaeza              anyway, gonna give it a try locally
09:00 kaeza              no comment from the higher ups?
09:00 * VanessaE         sees no higher-ups
09:00 VanessaE           nobody here but us chickens :)
09:01 kaeza              I just want to hear a 'go ahead' before wasting time on this :P
09:01 celeron55          what pull request are you talking about
09:01 kaeza              but to tell the truth, it's just a small(ish) change
09:01 kaeza              none yet
09:02 celeron55          11:57:07 < kaeza> to tell the truth, hmmmm's comment on the pull  discourages me from editing that
09:02 kaeza              I just want to add alignment options for images
09:02 kaeza              ah
09:02 celeron55          also, do you always lie when you don't explicitly say "to tell the truth"
09:02 kaeza              #669
09:02 kaeza              it's just an expression
09:03 VanessaE           celeron55: western-english expression equivalent to "to put it bluntly, ..."
09:05 celeron55          it implies that truth is always boring!
09:05 VanessaE           maybe to you, but not to a native English speaker :)
09:06 celeron55          kaeza: anyway, specifying the positioning point of images should be done
09:06 kaeza              good then :)
09:06 celeron55          maybe set it as 0.0...1.0 of X and Y in the image?
09:07 celeron55          i'm not sure if "dir" should be used for that... it kind of means something else
09:07 kaeza              hmm...
09:08 celeron55          you can also make scaling for images, but i'm not sure how to go about that either
09:08 celeron55          also, you can break the protocol to make it cleaner as it is so new still
09:09 kaeza              driver->draw2DImage(texture, rect, core::rect<s32>(core::position2d<s32>(0,0), imgsize), NULL, colors, true);
09:09 kaeza              I'll look at the Irrlicht docs to see what the args mean
09:10 kaeza              maybe there's some scaling option in there
09:10 celeron55          it's either in that or it's some other parameter overload of that function
09:16 kaeza              this kind of parameter overloading things is one of the things I despise of C++
09:16 kaeza              btw, I think I found the correct routine
09:17 * ShadowBot        wakes up
09:18 Adarqet            0gb!!
09:19 Adarqet            I accidentally vandalised your house
09:19 Adarqet            the worthless one
09:19 kaeza              I have another question; which should be the reference screen size?
09:19 kaeza              800x600?
09:20 kaeza              or rather...nvm
09:21 kaeza              I'll just add another 'align' param using floats as c55 suggested
09:22 kaeza              I'll leave the scaling thing until hmmmm comments on this
09:23 [0gb_us]           Vanished my worthless house? Which was worthless?
09:27 Adarqet            I just placed gravel and sand above
09:27 Adarqet            it
09:28 Adarqet            I did not know it will fall
09:28 [0gb_us]           Which house was worthless?
09:28 Adarqet            The one in my country
09:28 Adarqet            The oone I made
09:29 [0gb_us]           That one doesn't seem worthless to me ...
09:29 Adarqet            Well
09:29 Adarqet            I did not know it will fall
09:29 [0gb_us]           No worries.
09:30 [0gb_us]           OH! Did you use /fill to create floating gravel?
09:30 Adarqet            I'm making a new one with a bar
09:30 Adarqet            yes
09:30 Adarqet            0gb
09:30 Adarqet            Why?
09:30 [0gb_us]           Ha ha ha. I made sure that command could never creat floating gravel. It always falls.
09:30 [0gb_us]           *create
09:30 [0gb_us]           WHy what?
09:31 celeron55          kaeza: scaling should probably be just so that 1.0 is full screen width and full height (maybe limited so that aspect ratio stays correct)
09:31 Adarqet            the /save does not work on the server
09:32 [0gb_us]           What is the error message?
09:32 kaeza              I'm not planning to do scaling just yet; just alignment
09:32 celeron55          kaeza: and it should be settable on or off, so that if someone wants pixel-perfect images, they can get them
09:35 kaeza              about align, whatvalue should I use?
09:35 kaeza              I was thinking (0, 0) would mean centered
09:35 kaeza              -0.5 to the left/up, and 0.5 to the right/down
09:35 celeron55          no
09:36 * Adarqet
09:36 celeron55          either 0...1 or -1...1 (0 being center or 0.5 being center)
09:36 * Adarqet          farts
09:36 celeron55          (centers being the other way than i said)
09:36 kaeza              ok
09:37 celeron55          i don't know which is better; 0...1 is more like the positioning
09:37 celeron55          maybe it's better because of that
09:37 kaeza              yeah, -1..1 seems more natural
09:37 kaeza              err
09:37 kaeza              ok :)
09:37 celeron55          well
09:37 celeron55          it kind of is
09:39 VanessaE           I'm a little surprised you declined the +/- 0.5 idea.
09:39 celeron55          just do it like you prefer, you're the user of the API anyway
09:40 celeron55          even +-0.5
09:41 VanessaE           (though if you were to use it, -0.5 should be *down*/left, not up/left)
09:41 celeron55          i just don't like it because generally values will be either at border or at center, and +-0.5 makes most values be 0.5 or -0.5 then
09:41 celeron55          which is unclean
09:41 PilzAdam           anyone wanna comment on snow and ice? https://github.com/PilzAdam/common/commits/snow
09:41 VanessaE           just the nodes?
09:41 celeron55          VanessaE: of course up, that's the way our 2D UI is positioned
09:42 VanessaE           celeron55: fair enough.  I was just thinking of the coordinate system used in nodeboxes
09:42 VanessaE           consistency, etc.
09:42 PilzAdam           VanessaE, yes, they will be placed with mg v7
09:42 VanessaE           PilzAdam: seems okay to me - you need aliases of course.
09:43 PilzAdam           the snow mod has much more content, so its reasonable to add the aliases there
09:43 VanessaE           hmm..  maybe so, that's debatable.
09:43 PilzAdam           noone can simply remove the snow mod on old maps
09:44 VanessaE           true.
09:44 PilzAdam           and on new maps, mg v7 will be used and that will place the new nodes
09:44 VanessaE           ok, I'll buy that.
09:45 VanessaE           guess SPlizard has a little work to do ;)
09:45 [0gb_us]           I removed snow once. There were unknown nodes EVEYWHERE. The same happened when I removed conifers.
09:45 PilzAdam           he needs to override default:snow, though
09:45 celeron55          i guess generally the superset should alias things (but there are many special cases to this)
09:45 PilzAdam           [0gb_us], there are some mods that you shouldnt remove once you installed them on worlds
09:46 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: moretrees has you covered in that regard, even if you turn off all new tree generation (nodes+aliases are always defined)
09:46 PilzAdam           celeron55, I add aliases if people will remove the old mod
09:46 PilzAdam           otherwise its up to the mod to convert their nodes to the new ones in default
09:46 celeron55          PilzAdam: yes, and people will remove the old mod if it ends up being a subset
09:46 celeron55          8)
09:47 * celeron55        dances the "i am right" dance
09:47 celeron55          (no)
09:47 celeron55          (there isn't a dance for that)
09:48 PilzAdam           http://youtu.be/zs38PDsMriI
09:48 PilzAdam           there is
09:48 VanessaE           lol
09:49 PilzAdam           note: I have searched for "I am right dance celeron55" :D
09:49 VanessaE           I could JUST SEE c55 gyrating around like that :D
09:49 [0gb_us]           PilzAdam: I had to remove things because it was a "peoples' choice" world. People wanted other plugins, but without removing some, we were breaking the texture atlas.
09:49 kaeza              lol I'll bookmark that one
09:50 VanessaE           PilzAdam: my "it went better than expected!" dance is the Banana Splits theme :-)
09:50 celeron55          8D
09:50 VanessaE           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81LQnWPVqSI
09:51 VanessaE           (too bad the video quality is shit)
09:53 [0gb_us]           Home decor really did a number on that world's texture atlas. I think I had to remove all non-default stuff AND some default stuff to fix the texture atlas.
09:53 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: texture atlas is disabled by default now.
09:54 VanessaE           as of 0.4.5 I thin, wasn't it?
09:54 VanessaE           think*
09:54 [0gb_us]           Yeah, but I no longer add a bunch of stuff.
09:55 [0gb_us]           Basically, if it's not in common, I don't use it. Even if it's really cool, like poison ivy.
09:56 VanessaE           that's too bad.  there's a lot of nice stuff out there.
09:56 kaeza              now compiling new changes...
09:56 * kaeza            crosses fingers
09:56 [0gb_us]           My private world has a bunch of stuff though. From your stuff, I have all of plantlife, a modified moretrees, gloopblocks, and I think a couple others.
09:56 VanessaE           kaeza: just get my build ;)
09:57 VanessaE           what'd you have to mod in moretrees?
09:57 kaeza              erhm... what
09:57 VanessaE           kaeza: ok, maybe not, I don't even know what OS you're on, let alone what arch :)
09:58 [0gb_us]           The trees only grow on dirt. I modified the regular trees and your trees to grow on everything like they used to. My tree farms are on gravel, not dirt, so ....
09:58 kaeza              VanessaE, I meant trying my changes
09:58 kaeza              aaaand KABOOOM
09:58 VanessaE           kaeza: OH! :)
09:58 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: ah right.
09:59 [0gb_us]           Are the iron trees suposed to never drop aplings?
09:59 [0gb_us]           *saplings
09:59 VanessaE           dunno, been ages since I used those
09:59 kaeza              good thing is it seems to compile OK
09:59 ShadowBot          PilzAdam commited to Common: Add snow and ice (https://github.com/minetest/common/commit/f81affa)
10:00 [0gb_us]           Snow and ice. Interesting. The other day I was working on ice, but I could never figure out the perlin noise thing, and eventually gave up.
10:01 Zeg9               Nice to have this in default mod :-)
10:02 [0gb_us]           PilzAdam: You added nodes, but didn't add them to mapgen.
10:02 Zeg9               Hi [0gb_us]
10:02 [0gb_us]           Hey,  Zeg9.
10:02 PilzAdam           [0gb_us], yes, see above
10:03 [0gb_us]           OH! Mapgen version seven preparation. Got it.
10:03 VanessaE           https://github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/commit/ce2ec5aa73a26b45cd2d37d945280ac36ad194ab
10:03 VanessaE           :D
10:03 [0gb_us]           Might I make a suggestion for v7?
10:03 [0gb_us]           Wait, never mind.
10:04 Calinou            generate windows logos at +30912?
10:04 [0gb_us]           NO.
10:04 Calinou            :p
10:04 Zeg9               [I may get snapped because I guess this isn't the first time someone asks] but why is there no coal block in default?
10:04 [0gb_us]           If a Windows logo is generated, I WILL deface it.
10:04 Zeg9               Microsoft would complain for trademark problems :P
10:05 kaeza              wow
10:05 [0gb_us]           Coal block would be great. I was going to pull for one, but I can't draw a good texture ....
10:05 Zeg9               I just made one.
10:05 kaeza              the_game() is a big pile of code
10:05 Zeg9               I'll try it soon and send screenshots
10:09 [0gb_us]           I think I need two public worlds. Oddly, it would be less stressful than one. One main issue is that I want lawlessness, but people get mad at me when THEY fail to use land protection. They want me to ban people before their stuff is damaged instead of them being responsible for their own stuff. But if I have a lawless world and a lawful world, everyone wins.
10:09 [0gb_us]           I need a faster connection, first.
10:09 Zeg9               0gb.us, I got same problem with protection on my server lol
10:10 [0gb_us]           PilzAdam: Can you PLEASE move bones to common, even if you are refusing to move give_initial_stuff?
10:11 PilzAdam           VanessaE, your desert sand texture hmmmm wanted me add is good, but the desert stone doesnt look good with it
10:11 VanessaE           I thought about changing it, but he and I never settled that question.
10:11 * [0gb_us]         paints the desert stone white
10:12 VanessaE           lemme see if I can come up with something.  Give me 5 mins.
10:12 Calinou            Zeg9: +1 for coal block, it should also be able to smelt like 9 coal lumps ;)
10:12 * [0gb_us]         pretends to start the timer
10:13 Zeg9               Calinou, I'll look if I can do the fuel ability; just let me finish the texture before ;)
10:13 Zeg9               oh, he lefT.
10:13 Zeg9               oh, he left*.
10:14 [0gb_us]           A coal smelts 13+1/3 things. Multiply that by nine, and you get more than a stack. Skip the fuel properties, it's inefficient to use coal blocks as fuel.
10:15 PilzAdam           bbl
10:15 [0gb_us]           Bye.
10:17 Zeg9               I'm not sure there should be a frame around the coal block texture
10:17 [0gb_us]           Probably not.
10:18 Zeg9               http://ompldr.org/vaTZqbg
10:18 Zeg9               ^ Request for comments :P
10:19 [0gb_us]           Hmm. I was thinking of something a lot darker, but your style does match the coal item better.
10:19 Zeg9               I was thinking of darker too, but it wasn't the same color as the coal item at all, looked weird
10:19 VanessaE           PilzAdam:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_826339125.png
10:20 [0gb_us]           Not relevant, but what window manager is that?
10:20 [0gb_us]           (To Zeg9.)
10:20 VanessaE           xfce witha custom keramic....oh.
10:20 VanessaE           PilzAdam: the actual texture file:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/default_desert_stone.png
10:20 VanessaE           (for when he gets back)
10:20 Zeg9               It's xfwm4, with Zukitwo style
10:20 [0gb_us]           YOur image doesn't show your window, VanessaE.
10:21 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: I was wondering there for a moment why you were asking, then saw the "to zeg" part :D
10:21 [0gb_us]           I think I'm going to miss the bright desert stone, but that matches the new sand better.
10:22 Zeg9               is the new desert sand different from regular sand?
10:22 kaeza              I'm now getting SIGSEGV :(
10:22 [0gb_us]           New desert sand looks like old sand, new sand is lighter.
10:22 kaeza              which switch do I use to enable debugging symbols?
10:22 [0gb_us]           I don't know why.
10:23 Zeg9               -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
10:23 VanessaE           Zeg9: the proposal is to replace desert sand with the existing sand texture (get rid of the orange), make a new regular sand texture that's a light variant of the old sand, and perhaps use that ^^^ desert stone.
10:23 Zeg9               IIRC
10:23 VanessaE           lemme see if I can find a spot that shows all three
10:23 kaeza              ah thanks Zeg9
10:23 [0gb_us]           I would like to see the new sand compared to the old. Thanks, VanessaE!
10:24 Zeg9               I was going to ask the same :D
10:24 Zeg9               [0gb_us] here is a version without the frame: http://ompldr.org/vaTZqcA
10:24 [0gb_us]           Seeing VanessaE's new sand is what all the cool cats are doing these days.
10:25 [0gb_us]           Zeg9, I like that version better.
10:25 kaeza              compiling again... this will take a while
10:25 Zeg9               Ok. I'll see what I can do for fuel, then pull request
10:25 VanessaE           http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_826729753.png
10:26 [0gb_us]           I would suggest skipping the fuel part, but that's up to you/
10:26 VanessaE           had to dig some of the desert sand away to show the desert stone.
10:26 [0gb_us]           Oh, wow. That stuff is WHITE.
10:26 VanessaE           the new sand may be a bit too light
10:26 [0gb_us]           I didn't mean it that way.
10:27 VanessaE           lemme tone it down a little
10:27 [0gb_us]           It's just a surprise.
10:27 [0gb_us]           Can you get a shot of the white sand and water please?
10:27 VanessaE           sure, gimme a sec.
10:27 [0gb_us]           It might look good with the water. Pure, clean, white sand.
10:28 VanessaE           http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_826870814.png
10:28 Zeg9               True that putting a 1m³ coal block in a 1m³ furnace would be a bit illogical... But well we can already use mese blocks as fuel iirc
10:28 [0gb_us]           The issue is the burn time of coal blocks. They'd smelt MORE than a full stack of stuff.
10:29 [0gb_us]           Also, we can smelt the mese blocks, but NOT the mese crystals, if I recall.
10:29 [0gb_us]           Yeah, I like the sand better with water in veiw.
10:29 Zeg9               burntime = 360 <-- that would be a bit high. Think I'll remove this part
10:29 [0gb_us]           *view
10:29 VanessaE           there we go, got the sand to a bette rcolor
10:32 VanessaE           http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_827080066.png
10:32 VanessaE           perfect.
10:32 VanessaE           (and this time, screenshot without shaders enabled)
10:32 [0gb_us]           Yeah, that looks great.
10:32 Zeg9               +5
10:32 [0gb_us]           WHy without?
10:33 * Zeg9             is cooking 117 items to see if the burntime is correct
10:33 [0gb_us]           The burn time you listed was not right.
10:33 VanessaE           there, uploaded the tweaked desert stone and regular sand.
10:33 [0gb_us]           The burn time of coal is about 40.
10:34 Zeg9               Yep. 40*9=360
10:34 VanessaE           http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/default_desert_sand.png
10:34 VanessaE           http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/default_desert_stone.png
10:34 [0gb_us]           Oh, what? My math is off then. My bad.
10:34 VanessaE           http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/default_sand.png
10:34 Zeg9               Having a "calculator" key on his keyboard can be useful sometimes :D
10:34 [0gb_us]           I don't know where I got my number .....
10:35 VanessaE           PilzAdam: *ping*
10:35 [0gb_us]           My operating system has a calculate, I should have used it.
10:35 * Zeg9             nearly cooked all his sand, yummy!
10:35 [0gb_us]           *calculator
10:35 [0gb_us]           Yum, sand?
10:35 [0gb_us]           Hmm.
10:35 [0gb_us]           You have an interesting diet.
10:36 Zeg9               :-)
10:36 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: part of this complete breakfastâ„¢
10:36 [0gb_us]           VanessaE: I guess ...
10:36 Zeg9               Back to be serious, the burntime is perfect
10:36 [0gb_us]           Not part of any complete breakfast I'VE ever had.
10:41 VanessaE           zzz
10:41 [0gb_us]           yyy
10:41 VanessaE           because. because. because.
10:41 VanessaE           :)
10:41 Zeg9               Here it is... https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/35
10:42 VanessaE           Zeg9: what, you didn't make it give you 9 coal when dug? :)
10:42 kaeza              lol forgot to initialize a field in the ClientEvent
10:42 Zeg9               Well, you can craft it back to 9 coal... But if this behavior is wanted, I may add it
10:43 VanessaE           I was kidding :)
10:43 VanessaE           (I didn't see the block->lumps recipe immediately in fact)
10:44 [0gb_us]           Does it dig with a stone pick like stone_with_coal?
10:45 Zeg9               Yes, I need to check something though
10:45 [0gb_us]           Okay, cool.
10:46 Zeg9               Yeah, it's a bit slower to break than stone with coal
10:46 Zeg9               Actually, as fast as stone with iron.
10:46 [0gb_us]           That's fine. I just don't think it should take a stronger pick to do so.
10:46 [0gb_us]           I'm not thrilled that stone picks no longer mine mese, either ....
10:47 Zeg9               Let me check that with this addition...
10:48 Zeg9               Apparently, you can not break it with a stone pick, but I can change this if you wish
10:48 [0gb_us]           I'd really love it if you did, but it's up to you.
10:49 [0gb_us]           It also doesn't make sense that coal would be harder in block form.
10:51 kaeza              celeron55, align=0: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_828120402.jpg
10:51 Zeg9               I fixed it, guess I should squash the commit
10:51 PilzAdam           VanessaE, pong
10:51 kaeza              align=-1: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_828220183.jpg
10:51 [0gb_us]           Thanks so much, Zeg9!
10:52 Zeg9               Wait, need to push it
10:52 Zeg9               Done
10:53 kaeza              need to clean up some things
10:53 PilzAdam           VanessaE, I just take the last 2 textures you posted here
10:53 PilzAdam           VanessaE, Im also not very happy with the normal sand, its too bright
10:54 Zeg9               Wait, I didn't fix it actually -_-
10:54 VanessaE           PilzAdam: I just toned it down in one of those last shots
10:54 VanessaE           reload your sand texture from the website
10:55 Zeg9               [0gb_us] It is fixed now
10:55 [0gb_us]           Thanks!
10:55 PilzAdam           dont ask me why, but the new desert reminds me to caramel :-)
10:55 VanessaE           heh
10:55 VanessaE           better than the orange sherbet we had before :D
10:55 PilzAdam           btw, good work!
10:55 VanessaE           ty
10:56 PilzAdam           I also added the sandstone_bricks
10:56 PilzAdam           do you want desert_stone_bricks too?
10:56 VanessaE           which one?
10:56 VanessaE           desert stone bricks? mmmm, I'm betwixt and between on that
10:56 PilzAdam           that one: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/default_sandstone2.png
10:56 Zeg9               sandstone bricks? interesting
10:57 VanessaE           ah, the 2x1 texture, good.
10:57 VanessaE           (hmmmm liked that one also)
10:57 VanessaE           er 1x2
10:57 PilzAdam           you currently cant to anything with desert stone, except making stone tools
10:57 [0gb_us]           With the deserts changed, we need new red and orange nodes. Wool, perhaps? https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/28
10:57 VanessaE           PilzAdam: there's a mod that adds some use of desert stone
10:57 VanessaE           bricks, furnaces, one or two other things
10:58 VanessaE           http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3761
10:58 VanessaE           that one
10:58 PilzAdam           [0gb_us], flowers will be added with mg v7
10:58 VanessaE           not sure if that mod is still useful though
10:58 PilzAdam           it isnt, since the stone tools use group:stone
10:58 VanessaE           right
10:59 VanessaE           ok, so just the desert stone bricks
10:59 PilzAdam           and Id like to keep it like this
10:59 [0gb_us]           Will the flowers respawn?
10:59 kaeza              do I need to increase any PROTOCOL_VERSION stuff?
10:59 PilzAdam           should I take the textures from the mod or do you want to create textures, VanessaE?
10:59 VanessaE           PilzAdam: well it's just one texture for the desert stone brick, I can turn something out real quick
11:00 PilzAdam           kaeza, what have you changed?
11:00 kaeza              added "alignment" param to HUD items
11:00 kaeza              see the screenshots I posted
11:00 PilzAdam           can I see the diff somewhere?
11:01 kaeza              gimme a sec
11:01 kaeza              I'm finishing docs and I'll push to my fork
11:02 VanessaE           PilzAdam: try this on for size:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/default_desert_stone_brick.png
11:02 PilzAdam           the win build will be called "sandy update" :-)
11:03 * Calinou          solders the IHS on the win build
11:03 Calinou            call it "ivy update" now
11:03 kaeza              PilzAdam, https://github.com/kaeza/minetest/commit/3037ce6e7205926223b58fe48d36d48fd9687647
11:04 PilzAdam           kaeza, Im not familiar with the HUD sending, but it seems like you have to increase the protocl version
11:04 kaeza              okz
11:05 Calinou            for what, PilzAdam?
11:05 Calinou            nevermind
11:05 PilzAdam           kaeza, although, Im not sure
11:05 PilzAdam           ask hmmmm
11:05 Calinou            what would be the uses of HUD alignment? we can already do new bars
11:05 kaeza              celeron55 said it should be no problem since the HUD API is still in development
11:07 kaeza              I think I'll increase it just in case
11:07 jojoa1997|Tablet   PilzAdam you there?
11:07 kaeza              any more comments on this?
11:07 PilzAdam           jojoa1997|Tablet, yes
11:07 jojoa1997|Tablet   check your forum pm
11:08 * [0gb_us]         checks PilzAdam's forum PMs
11:08 [0gb_us]           Drats, he changed his password.
11:08 celeron55          kaeza: don't increase it unless you do actual handling for the old version or disable interaction of old clients
11:08 celeron55          kaeza: otherwise there is no sense whatsoever
11:09 celeron55          the latter is out of the question, the former is unnecessary
11:09 kaeza              ok then, I'll leave it as-is then :)
11:09 celeron55          it's a development version, compatibility with a previous development version is our least concern
11:09 celeron55          otherwise we can't do any progress
11:09 celeron55          those who use development versions are aware that they can break
11:09 kaeza              is the commit good?
11:10 kaeza              any other thing needed?
11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet   PilzAdam did you do it?
11:10 PilzAdam           no, Ill check it later
11:10 PilzAdam           I actually have things to do
11:10 kaeza              hmm... I think I can do text and perhaps inventory align
11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet   ok
11:11 celeron55          kaeza: it seems good, but if you didn't do it for others than images, you should consider that
11:13 kaeza              oh crap... just spotted something...
11:13 kaeza              this won't work as-is with scaled images
11:13 kaeza              lemme fix that
11:14 PilzAdam           VanessaE, license is WTFPL?
11:14 VanessaE           PilzAdam: yep
11:14 VanessaE           whatever fits with the defaults (probably CC-By-SA 3.0)
11:14 celeron55          upstream has a lot of WTFPL stuff; we preserve WTFPL when we can
11:15 VanessaE           WTFPL it is, then. :)
11:15 celeron55          (which means basically in everything except C++ code, because that would be too much hassle)
11:17 PilzAdam           VanessaE, https://github.com/PilzAdam/common/commit/215a7bc25b3c9c066c2bb87ea18c2636c9f2df59
11:18 VanessaE           mm...sandstone brick recipe should yield 4
11:18 VanessaE           ditto for desert stone brick
11:20 VanessaE           (of course, default:stonebrick is 4:1 instead of 4:4, so I dunno)
11:20 PilzAdam           bricks are expensive
11:20 VanessaE           indeed :)
11:21 VanessaE           ok, 4:1 then
11:21 PilzAdam           hmm
11:21 VanessaE           this looks good.
11:21 VanessaE           hm?
11:21 PilzAdam           I think bricks should be cracky=2
11:21 PilzAdam           and sandstone cracky=3 then
11:21 VanessaE           I'll defer to you on that, I'm not familiar with how digging groups wor.
11:21 VanessaE           work*
11:22 PilzAdam           bricks should be a tougher if they are that expensive
11:22 PilzAdam           -a
11:22 VanessaE           yes.
11:25 PilzAdam           sandstone is actually pretty interesting since its cracky=3 and crumbly=2
11:31 ShadowBot          PilzAdam commited to Common: Add sandstone and desert stone bricks, change textures of sand, desert sand, desert stone (https://github.com/minetest/common/commit/8e9017e)
11:33 Calinou            +1 for sandstone brick
11:39 Zeg9               PilzAdam, any comment about that ? https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/35
11:39 PilzAdam           2 questions come to my mind: "Why?" and "Why not?"
11:41 Zeg9               Why? Allows more compact storage, also all ores have their respective blocks except coal; Why not ? Well, I don't know.
11:41 PilzAdam           I generally dont dislike this idea
11:42 PilzAdam           but I think the burntime should be either a bit longer or a bit shorter
11:42 PilzAdam           longer because you have to do more work to craft the blocks
11:42 PilzAdam           *nodes
11:42 PilzAdam           shorter because its more logical that little pieces of coal burn better
11:43 PilzAdam           but maybe Im just wrong with these thoughts :-)
11:43 PilzAdam           what do others think?
11:44 VanessaE           smaller pieces almost universally burn better - but they burn much hotter
11:44 VanessaE           and so they get used up faster than an equivalent mass in large pieces.
11:45 PilzAdam           yea, but "burntime" in MT is heat + RL burntime
11:46 VanessaE           and....HDX updated to cover sandstone and desert stone bricks.
11:47 Calinou            already, VanessaE? O_o
11:47 VanessaE           yup.
11:47 VanessaE           https://github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/commit/b40553c9ad176138f1c652a76ffb9c3a14ec83ca
11:47 PilzAdam           Calinou, she updated to snow before it was upstream
11:48 VanessaE           I'm not entirely happy with the current stone textures I'm using, but they're way better than what I had some days ago.
11:48 kaeza              https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_831631201.jpg >:D
11:49 kaeza              of*
11:49 VanessaE           hm, sandstone brick ain't right.
11:49 * VanessaE         redoes it.
11:49 Zeg9               kaeza, really useful, if someone annoys you on a server, display him a stupid message like that :D
11:50 PilzAdam           Zeg9, as a compromise between these two points, one could say make it 9 times the burntime of coal :-)
11:51 * kaeza            just had an idea
11:51 Zeg9               Alright
11:51 kaeza              well, maybe later: code the anchor position
11:52 PilzAdam           Zeg9, although I like the idea of having some little "protip", e.g. tree burns a little bit longer than 4 wood
11:52 Zeg9               That's a good idea.
11:52 PilzAdam           one junglegrass longer, to be precise :D
11:53 PilzAdam           (or 2 leaves)
11:53 PilzAdam           (or 2/15 cactus)
11:53 PilzAdam           Zeg9, I would say, make it 1% longer than 9 coal lumps
11:53 Zeg9               Would a burntime of 400 be ok?
11:54 PilzAdam           nah, too much
11:54 PilzAdam           make it 370
11:54 Zeg9               Ok
11:55 Zeg9               Should I ammend or commit again?
11:55 PilzAdam           actually I can do this when merging
11:55 celeron55          that makes it kind of insignificant but the perfectionist can tweak around when they want :P something for everybody
11:55 [0gb_us]           GAH! I've been unable to log in ...
11:55 PilzAdam           celeron55, thats exactly what I wanted to achieve
11:55 [0gb_us]           My client has, anyway.
11:56 [0gb_us]           And apparently VanessaE muted the web chat, so I couldn't even get in through that ....
11:56 VanessaE           yup, webchat is muted for now.
11:57 [0gb_us]           Not very helpful when my client is on the fritz. I guess there were spammers using that or something?
11:57 PilzAdam           Zeg9, whats the texture license?
11:57 Zeg9               WTFPL
11:58 Zeg9               ...or whatever you want ;)
11:58 PilzAdam           have you created it?
11:59 Zeg9               Well, in fact it's based on the default_coal_lump.png
12:01 celeron55          i wonder if the default lump still is the one drawn by me
12:01 * ShadowBot        sleeps
12:02 Zeg9               Nop, IIRC it is by GloopMaster
12:02 celeron55          that's not documented anywhere and it wasn't listed explicitly as WTFPL at that time so that means it's CC BY-SA... and i guess your block still counts as derivative work
12:03 celeron55          altough it still is just a few random-ish pixels 8)
12:04 Zeg9               Yes. So let's make it CC BY-SA. The lump and ingot textures have been added from here https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/cd604fa9c864160a6276b7fcf483a157ae339611
12:04 Zeg9               PilzAdam: should I add the 370 burntime or you are going to do it?
12:05 * sfan5            once wrote a mod for coal blocks
12:08 * Zeg9             is having a look at sfan5's coal mdo
12:08 * Zeg9             is having a look at sfan5's coal mod*
12:08 sfan5              its ba
12:08 sfan5              *bad
12:08 sfan5              it was my first od
12:08 sfan5              *mod
12:09 kaeza              typos, typos everywhere
12:09 Zeg9               I see Calinou already wanted to have this in official game :D
12:12 celeron55          ba od
12:13 kaeza              what do you think of adding an 'offset' parameter to Lua HUD that is a pixel offset after scaling and aligning?
12:13 kaeza              that could allow some nicely positioned items at the edges for example
12:14 sfan5              it feels like the "problem" with the core dev team is discussed in every topic
12:14 celeron55          sfan5: i suggest just ignoring those, they'll eventually realize there is no actual problem
12:15 celeron55          just post some other stuff instead of worrying
12:15 sfan5              yeah
12:16 celeron55          kaeza: that would be not needed for stuff scaled in relation to screen size
12:16 VanessaE           there, now the sandstone+sandstine bricks look right.
12:17 celeron55          kaeza: dunno, i guess people might end up needing it
12:17 kaeza              celeron55, think about this: { pos={1,1},align={-1,-1},offset={-8,-8}}
12:18 celeron55          kaeza: i think i can say that it's acceptable too
12:18 celeron55          do it in a different commit though
12:18 kaeza              that would make the item go 8 pixels from the bottom-left corner regardless of res
12:18 celeron55          i know the uses for it
12:20 kaeza              okz, I didn't meant it to be in the same commit :)
12:22 ImQ009             Oh cool
12:22 ImQ009             They fixed recycling plant
12:22 ImQ009             That one was kinda annoying
12:23 bas080             swamp trees https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2004222013%20-%2002%3A16%3A24%20PM.png
12:24 bas080             and palmtrees https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2004222013%20-%2002%3A20%3A41%20PM.png
12:24 ImQ009             Oh cool, wrong window!
12:24 ImQ009             lol
12:25 Zeg9               bas080: what mod is this from?
12:25 bas080             I have not released it yet
12:26 bas080             It will be added to my jungletree mod which will be called bigger trees.
12:27 MinetestBot        GIT: Zeg9 commited to minetest/common: Add coal block e0f5a6fd69 2013-04-22T05:25:33-07:00 http://git.io/D46_Rg
12:28 PilzAdam           that burns _really_ long
12:28 [0gb_us]           Yeah. That's why I suggested not giving it a burn time at all.
12:29 [0gb_us]           It smelts more than a full stack in one go.
12:37 PilzAdam           one coal block can cook 123 iron lumps
12:38 [0gb_us]           Exactly my point.
12:38 PilzAdam           why is that bad?
12:38 [0gb_us]           Not that I have a strong opinion, it's just that you can't fit that much iron or sand or whatever in the furnace at once.
12:39 jojoa1997|Tablet   Yeah you can
12:39 jojoa1997|Tablet   You refill
12:39 [0gb_us]           Now if the furnace held two stacks as input, it would make more sense to have such huge fuels.
12:39 PilzAdam           if you want that little bit longer burntime of compressed coal, then you have to work a bit more and refill the furnace
12:40 [0gb_us]           jojoa1997|Tablet: You can refill the fuel when you refill the input.
12:40 [0gb_us]           Like I said, I don't really care, I just don't think it makes sense.
12:41 [0gb_us]           It's not like I ever burn coal anyway. ☺
12:41 Kacey              i miss mese being a fuel
12:41 [0gb_us]           Mese blocks are still fuel, right?
12:42 Kacey              idk
12:42 Kacey              wish fragments were fuel though, to give them use
12:43 PilzAdam           [0gb_us], no
12:43 [0gb_us]           No? My bad then.
12:46 PilzAdam           changelog updated
12:51 VanessaE           and...coal block added to HDX.
12:53 kaeza              small prob: I cannot do align stuff with statbars because I don't know the "max size"
12:53 kaeza              should I assume 10 items?
12:53 * Kacey            wants mese fragments to be fuel
12:54 * [0gb_us]         wants bones in common
12:54 kaeza              I mean, 10 "full" textures?
12:54 VanessaE           I think that's a fair assumption
12:56 kaeza              I guess I shoult note that in the docs also
12:56 kaeza              -t+d
13:01 KikaRz             Happy Birthday to me!!! Happy Birthday to me.... Happy Birthday Kika and Juan...
13:01 KikaRz             Happy birthday to us!
13:01 KikaRz             :)
13:02 sfan5              and...coal block added to EasyCraft
13:05 Zeg9               Can anyone give me the link to the branch which allows disabling fire?
13:05 kaeza              sheeeeeeet
13:05 kaeza              change one line in a header, recompile *all* the source??
13:05 Zeg9               :-)
13:05 Kacey              just remove the fire mod
13:06 Zeg9               I just found it back anyway
13:06 Zeg9               No, I want it on some maps but not on the server
13:10 kaeza              'ello KikaRz
13:12 Kacey              bbl
13:14 KikaRz             ;(
13:14 KikaRz             nobody tells me happy birthday
13:14 KikaRz             :(
13:14 celeron55          KikaRz: umm
13:15 VanessaE           happy birthday :)
13:15 celeron55          hell
13:15 celeron55          kaeza*
13:15 KikaRz             VanessaE
13:15 KikaRz             <3
13:15 KikaRz             hi celeron55 *w*
13:15 celeron55          kaeza: align statbars by starting them from the alignment side
13:15 VanessaE           (and it's also, btw, my husband and I anniversary today.  7 years.)
13:16 KikaRz             Cool VanessaE :)
13:16 KikaRz             That's fantastic :)
13:16 VanessaE           yes :)
13:16 celeron55          my SSH lags like total shit, so don''t expect to see any correctly written words or replies within 10 minutes of saying something
13:16 celeron55          kaeza: or.. does that make sense usually? i guess it does
13:16 kaeza              celeron55, I know that feel bro
13:17 celeron55          if somebody wants to align a statbar based on the right side of it but the bar should increase from left to right, then he can use the offset for it (because he knows the length)
13:18 PilzAdam           VanessaE, so, what about the bronze block texture?
13:18 KikaRz             VanessaE: Can you help me doing my mod?
13:18 PilzAdam           can you make a screenshot of all your ore block textures?
13:18 VanessaE           sure I think so.
13:19 VanessaE           give me a few mins to put something together.
13:20 kaeza              celeron55, so should I leave alignment of bars out? I mean, they are already aligned based on direction
13:22 VanessaE           PilzAdam: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_837315526.png
13:23 VanessaE           in order bottom to top, left to right:  Bronze, copper, gold, mese, and steel, then moreores mithril, silver, and tin
13:24 PilzAdam           that doesnt look good :-/
13:24 Calinou            these would tile like shit :P
13:24 VanessaE           Calinou: they aren't
13:24 VanessaE           aren't supposed to tile.
13:24 Calinou            with reduced contrast they would be fine
13:24 VanessaE           those are the blocks, not the ores.
13:24 Calinou            they don't need to tile perfectly, but some part of the block being black looks bad, imo
13:24 Calinou            yes, these are blocks, I know
13:25 Calinou            the tin looks good, but there's no tin in the default game :P
13:25 Calinou            maybe take the tin texture and recolor it for all the other ores but mithril
13:25 Calinou            (and mese of course)
13:25 VanessaE           well until we get some kind of realtime per-area specular highlighting, it's kinda hard to get a metallic surface any other way :)
13:26 VanessaE           you're welcome to use any of these if you want to.
13:26 VanessaE           https://github.com/VanessaE/16px-realistic-textures/tree/master/Vanessa_16
13:26 VanessaE           (yes, those are from HDX)
13:27 VanessaE           (I wonder where those *xxxx files came from?  odd.)
13:28 Calinou            *bro0,
13:28 Calinou            ?
13:28 Calinou            what's that? youc an use * in file names as jokers?
13:28 VanessaE           I never created those, must be one of my scripts that did it/.
13:28 VanessaE           no matter, I'l delete 'em later.
13:29 * PilzAdam         finally managed to change his launchpad login e-mail
13:30 KikaRz-HappyBD     VanessaE, when you can, see my request / idea
13:31 VanessaE           KikaRz-HappyBD: I am too tired now to really understand what you're getting at.
13:31 KikaRz-HappyBD     Ok... I'll make a draw.
13:31 VanessaE           not now
13:31 VanessaE           I'm about to go to bed
13:31 Calinou            oh, happy birthday KikaRz-HappyBD :P
13:31 KikaRz-HappyBD     ok
13:31 KikaRz-HappyBD     Kisses.
13:31 KikaRz-HappyBD     Thank you Calinou ;D
13:31 Calinou            np
13:31 VanessaE           there, *xxx files deleted.
13:32 KikaRz-HappyBD     Calinou, you know any free VPS?
13:32 KikaRz-HappyBD     128 MB Ram at least?
13:32 Calinou            ask Traxie21, she has one
13:32 Calinou            doesn't seem to lag too much, although it crashed a few times (mods?)
13:32 KikaRz-HappyBD     Traxie21, where I can get one Free VPS? at least with 128 mb ram?
13:32 Calinou            she's not on irc :P
13:32 KikaRz-HappyBD     ...
13:32 KikaRz-HappyBD     Mada****
13:32 KikaRz-HappyBD     '-'
13:32 Calinou            http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5274
13:32 PilzAdam           VanessaE, good night
13:33 VanessaE           PilzAdam: those metal block textures were derived from a public domain brushed metal image, so they're WTFPL if you wanna use one.
13:33 VanessaE           and, I'm off.
13:33 VanessaE           night all, or something :)
13:34 KikaRz-HappyBD     Oh, i can join that irc
13:34 KikaRz-HappyBD     or not.
13:35 Calinou            we need a "slipperiness" groups for nodes, so that we can have this: http://www.damnlol.com/pics/642/3b6481ae683b877bcda3763fdff48c76.gif
13:36 sfan5              oh yes
13:38 KikaRz-HappyBD     Hi sfan5, you have one free vps?
13:38 sfan5              yes
13:38 KikaRz-HappyBD     I need one...
13:39 sfan5              host1free.com
13:48 KikaRz-HappyBD     ...
13:48 celeron55          kaeza: the vertical alignment for statbars is useful i guess
13:48 KikaRz-HappyBD     sfan5, tell me one better.
13:48 celeron55          kaeza: or... maybe not, that can be done with offsets too
13:48 KikaRz-HappyBD     should i get one with debian 6.0?
13:51 lamefun            hi
13:51 PilzAdam           hmmmm, I have added snow and ice to common
13:51 lamefun            why does everyone on forum complain about obsidian and no one complains about steel?
13:52 KikaRz-HappyBD     sfan5, i get with debian 6.0?
13:53 sfan5              KikaRz-HappyBD: huh?
13:53 KikaRz-HappyBD     Ok, host1free dont works.
13:53 KikaRz-HappyBD     can you help me?
13:53 KikaRz-HappyBD     teamviewer?
13:54 KikaRz-HappyBD     sfan5, I've tried here
13:54 KikaRz-HappyBD     http://members.host1free.com/vps?ac=h1f_register_vps
13:54 KikaRz-HappyBD     But no success... look the error
13:55 KikaRz-HappyBD     VPS Hostname
13:55 KikaRz-HappyBD     Only registrations from unique IPs allowed
13:55 PilzAdam           lamefun, you want to complain about steel? sure, go ahead
13:56 KikaRz-HappyBD     Hello?
13:58 sfan5              KikaRz-HappyBD: http://www.host1free.com/vps-registration/
13:58 KikaRz-HappyBD     Not working
13:58 sfan5              ?
13:59 sfan5              why not working?
13:59 sfan5              thats the right link
14:02 [0gb_us]           lamefun: Steel is awesome. It can be used to create the only nodes vandals cannot destroy.
14:03 lamefun            I think iron more needs more than a simple furnace to become steel. Maybe introduce a blast furnace to make steel harder to make? Iron ore + coal (as coke) + something flammable (as fuel) in blast furnace --> pig iron. Then pig iron + furnace --> cast iron. Again --> steel. Again --> iron lump (pure iron).
14:03 lamefun            [0gb_us], what nodes?
14:03 [0gb_us]           No need to make it complicated. Why does the game need to be realistic?
14:03 kaeza              lamefun → go bug realtest
14:04 [0gb_us]           Nodes: locked chest and locked door.
14:04 jojoa1997|Tablet   Maybe we should be able to connect furnaces
14:05 jojoa1997|Tablet   Like if 2 are next to each other they make double furnace
14:05 lamefun            [0gb_us], it doesn't. I just don't like magical rare super-materials.
14:05 [0gb_us]           lamefun: What doesn't do what?
14:05 celeron55          lamefun: again, go improve realtest, everything you say suits it well
14:06 [0gb_us]           Iron does act as a material for locked chests and locked doors. Assuming you are using the common game, this is an undeniable fact.
14:07 kaeza              [0gb_us], rule #1 of the internet: DNFTT
14:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   Imposter http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5712
14:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   PilzAdam has an icon imposter
14:08 [0gb_us]           kaeza: I can't follow a rule I don't understand.
14:08 kaeza              Do Not Feed The Trolls
14:09 [0gb_us]           Ah. But trolls are hungry. And fun to pester.
14:09 jojoa1997|Tablet   I never replied
14:09 [0gb_us]           Every time I see the Minetest icon, I think it's the PilzAdam icon.
14:09 lamefun            [0gb_us], wait, locked chests are indestructible?
14:10 [0gb_us]           They are if they have an item in them. If they are empty, you can steal other peoples' locked chests.
14:14 jojoa1997|Tablet   So
14:14 jojoa1997|Tablet   Anyone like the new snow stuff
14:16 [0gb_us]           The snow will be cool once it's obtainable, which I'm told will happen in mapgen version seven.
14:22 lamefun            My complaint is not about realism, it's about fully-ready-to-use-just-out-of-the-ore materials.
14:22 [0gb_us]           It's not ready to use. You have to smelt it.
14:23 NakedFury          using ores without smelting them?
14:24 [0gb_us]           No, you have to smelt them. Except coal, you can craft that into things without smelting.
14:24 [0gb_us]           Oh, and mese.
14:32 sfan5              !up 127.0.0.1 30011
14:32 MinetestBot        127.0.0.1:30011 is up (0.106ms)
14:34 lamefun            Are there any plans to add ways to process steel further?
14:35 [0gb_us]           Probably not in common, but maybe in other games.
14:35 [0gb_us]           Is there a way to set the on_step() property of players?
14:36 KikaRz-HappyBD     john_minetest, yes.
14:36 KikaRz-HappyBD     !up vortex.gbgz.net 30001
14:36 MinetestBot        vortex.gbgz.net:30001 seems to be down
14:36 KikaRz-HappyBD     kidding, that domain doesn't exist.
14:36 KikaRz-HappyBD     '-'
14:37 PilzAdam           [0gb_us], only in on_globalstep() and looping through all players
14:38 [0gb_us]           Okay, I'll do that then. Thanks!
14:38 KikaRz-HappyBD     Go take some Lemons!!! (GLaDoS) Yes! Take that lemons!!!
14:38 KikaRz-HappyBD     Congratulations? I did any achievement?
14:39 KikaRz-HappyBD     o_o'
14:39 KikaRz-HappyBD     I have 1 year old?
14:39 KikaRz-HappyBD     O_O'
14:39 KikaRz-HappyBD     Oh, that's an HBD
14:39 KikaRz-HappyBD     thanks
14:54 [0gb_us]           I just built a small script to turn dirt_with_grass into dirt_with_grass_footsteps when people walk on it. Do you think it should turn back after a while, or leave a permanent trail?
14:54 NakedFury          after a while turn back
14:54 NakedFury          but maybe if it is walked upon a lot then become permanent?
14:55 PilzAdam           its better to make it only into _footsteps if the player walks over it very often
14:55 [0gb_us]           Define "a lot". I think it should be permanent or not, a pure boolean.
14:56 [0gb_us]           How would I know if it has been walked on a lot versus a little?
14:56 NakedFury          a lot= you travel regularly by that path
14:56 [0gb_us]           How would it be known how often a path is used?
14:57 NakedFury          dont know, I guess it would need to have some data of if it had been walked upon or not
14:57 PilzAdam           increment a int in the meta, if its over 20 or so turn it into _footsteps
14:57 [0gb_us]           Okay. Will do.
14:57 RealBadAngel       hey ho
14:57 NakedFury          hey
14:57 [0gb_us]           Hey, RealBadAngel.
14:58 RealBadAngel       PilzAdam, you havent commented yesterday, how do you like current state of glasslike_framed?
14:58 PilzAdam           its better than the things you started with :-)
14:58 RealBadAngel       hehehe
14:58 PilzAdam           can I see a Lua nodedef for one of the nodes?
14:58 RealBadAngel       sure
15:01 RealBadAngel       minetest.register_node("default:wooden_framed_glass", {
15:01 RealBadAngel       description = "Glass",
15:01 RealBadAngel       drawtype = "glasslike_framed",
15:01 RealBadAngel       tiles = {"default_wood.png","default_glass_streaks.png"},
15:01 RealBadAngel       paramtype = "light",
15:01 * Zeg9             is finally back. Hi again.
15:01 RealBadAngel       sunlight_propagates = true,
15:01 RealBadAngel       groups = {cracky=3,oddly_breakable_by_hand=3},
15:01 RealBadAngel       sounds = default.node_sound_glass_defaults(),
15:01 RealBadAngel       })
15:01 Zeg9               Oh, I was just in the middle of the code past 8D
15:01 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, use a fucking pastebin!
15:02 RealBadAngel       too short ;) save the bits ;)
15:02 [0gb_us]           Hey, Zeg9.
15:02 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, everyone over 3 LOC should go into a pastebin
15:02 PilzAdam           or you will be banned
15:02 PilzAdam           *everything
15:03 RealBadAngel       cmon, i agree it was *slightly* too big
15:03 RealBadAngel       dont crucify me for that :P
15:04 RealBadAngel       back to thema, ive made separate, new drawtype for it
15:04 [0gb_us]           Hmm. I think I need to draw a better texture for this too.
15:05 RealBadAngel       what differs this one from anything else is using nodeboxes and faces at the very same time
15:05 PilzAdam           RealBadAngel, do you have a fix for the broken lighting in facedir nodes yet?
15:05 RealBadAngel       first texture in tiles is used for drawing frames
15:05 RealBadAngel       second is used for faces
15:06 RealBadAngel       PilzAdam, propably not, havent updated my repos for a week or so
15:06 RealBadAngel       i do have 4 projects running
15:07 PilzAdam           better to fix bugs in already merged features before adding new features
15:08 RealBadAngel       my code definitely have nothing to do with fixes
15:08 RealBadAngel       its definitely new code, not the modification
15:08 PilzAdam           ehm
15:09 PilzAdam           your 6d facedir code broke lighting on facedir nodes
15:09 RealBadAngel       really?
15:10 RealBadAngel       i may know why
15:10 PilzAdam           the lighting is done first, then it gets rotated
15:10 RealBadAngel       this wouldnt happen if celeron accepted first version of code (with ^tranform)
15:11 PilzAdam           that code was even more wrong :-)
15:11 RealBadAngel       that was and is still used in MT engine
15:11 RealBadAngel       grep for transform in sources
15:12 RealBadAngel       my fault i screwed lights tho
15:12 RealBadAngel       i should have think of it
15:12 RealBadAngel       but, im still learnin the engine
15:12 PilzAdam           but its not used in the massive amount you wanted to use it
15:13 RealBadAngel       6dfacedir is massive change
15:14 RealBadAngel       but thx to it every facedired nodes are faster now
15:14 RealBadAngel       im glad celeron pushed me to go this way
15:15 RealBadAngel       ive learned a lot bout irrlicht engine
15:17 RealBadAngel       pity i missed lighting, mea culpa
15:18 RealBadAngel       btw today during coffe break i solved logic for frame edges
15:19 RealBadAngel       i was sitting whole yesterday coding and couldnt solve it
15:19 RealBadAngel       and today in just 20 minutes break, i made table of inputs and defined logic operations needed to get desired output
15:20 RealBadAngel       and it turned out to be just one IF, one XOR and one AND
15:21 RealBadAngel       in fact, i will try it now ;)
15:27 rubenwardy         hi all
15:32 jojoa1997|Tablet   Does anyone know how to make chests combine?
15:33 PilzAdam           yes
15:33 celeron55          RealBadAngel: the thing is not whether it's a pity or not that you broke lighting; it's that you are the one who currently knows the code best so you should fix it to save the pain of somebody else figuring out how it works and fixing it
15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet   how
15:34 PilzAdam           jojoa1997|Tablet, use on_place() to manually place the chest
15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet   yeah i thought so
15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet   i will be doing same thing with chests
15:34 RealBadAngel       celeron55, it is fixed already?
15:34 PilzAdam           you also need to define 2 extra nodes for each side of the doublechest
15:34 celeron55          RealBadAngel: no, and nobody is fixing it except you
15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet   but how do i combine the inv
15:35 celeron55          i think what basically needs to be done is that it needs to look up each vertex from the non-rotated mesh at the same position as where it is in the rotated one, and if there is such, copy the color value from it
15:36 RealBadAngel       celeron55, from what i understood from PilzAdam's talking that was fixed. I got it wrong then, thats why i apologized for screwing it
15:36 RealBadAngel       i will fix it asap
15:36 RealBadAngel       sorry
15:36 celeron55          (the point is, the lighting which is stored in the vertices gets rotated with the vertices now)
15:37 PilzAdam           jojoa1997|Tablet, when connecting, change the formspec of both chests to show the list from the other chest
15:37 RealBadAngel       now when the subject was raised i realized that
15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet   could i set one half to one chest and one half to the other
15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet   ?
15:38 RealBadAngel       i will finish just the code for glasslike_framed and then will fix the lighting
15:38 PilzAdam           lemme search an example
15:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   thanks i know little about formspecs
15:39 jojoa1997|Tablet   though tonight i plan on making a video to show features in minitest
15:39 PilzAdam           list[context;main;0,0;8,4;] list[nodemeta:x,y,z;main;9,0;8,4]
15:39 PilzAdam           this will add the content of the chest at x,y,z to the formspec of the current chest
15:40 PilzAdam           so, lets say you run on_place(), find the second chest at pos, and connect to it
15:40 PilzAdam           then you do
15:40 jojoa1997|Tablet   list[modemeta:x-1,y,z;main;9,0;8,4;]
15:41 PilzAdam           meta:set_string("formspec", "list[context;main;0,0;8,4]list[nodemeta:"..pos.x..","..pos.y..","..pos.z..";main;9,0;8,4])
15:42 jojoa1997|Tablet   ?.?
15:42 PilzAdam           ehm, +"
15:42 jojoa1997|Tablet   what is the "..pos.x.." for
15:42 jojoa1997|Tablet   like
15:42 jojoa1997|Tablet   pos.x+1
15:42 PilzAdam           that inserts the coordinates into the string
15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   ok
15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   oh
15:43 PilzAdam           pos is the position of the second chest
15:43 PilzAdam           (lets say you already found it)
15:43 PilzAdam           all the other stuff is more or less trivial
15:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   pilzadam have you thought of adding an animation and a charge up for your bows mod
15:46 PilzAdam           not possible
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   why not
15:47 PilzAdam           it would be extremly hacky
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   just have 3-5 seperate pics for the bows
15:47 PilzAdam           if its possible at all
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   wht bout this
15:47 celeron55          a simple bar for that in the hud would probably be easy to do now though 8)
15:47 iqualfragile       PilzAdam: is there some way to specify a collisionbox for a node wich is different from its nodebox?
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   i will see if i can
15:47 Jordach            iqualfragile, you can
15:48 PilzAdam           iqualfragile, nope
15:48 Jordach            make another table for selection_box
15:48 jojoa1997|Tablet   yes
15:48 RealBadAngel       i also noticed that
15:48 jojoa1997|Tablet   selection_box = {
15:48 iqualfragile       JEIN!
15:48 jojoa1997|Tablet   type = "fixed
15:48 jojoa1997|Tablet   ,
15:48 jojoa1997|Tablet   ",
15:48 RealBadAngel       colision_box should be added for nodeboxs
15:48 PilzAdam           jojoa1997|Tablet, stop it
15:48 jojoa1997|Tablet   fixed = {}
15:48 jojoa1997|Tablet   ok
15:49 RealBadAngel       i had same problem with frames
15:49 celeron55          in what kind of stuff do people want to use collisionboxes that differ from nodeboxes?
15:49 iqualfragile       cauldron
15:49 RealBadAngel       i had to add invisible nodebox in center so players cant fall into frame
15:50 celeron55          iqualfragile: because you want to block the way in while there is a visible hole in it? or what
15:51 RealBadAngel       celeron55, technic frames for example
15:51 RealBadAngel       movable blocks that are represented by frames
15:52 iqualfragile       other way around: there is a pot and its filled with some liquid, i want stuffs to go throught the liquid
15:52 RealBadAngel       frames are BS sized by are empty inside, so player can fall in when walkin on it
15:52 jojoa1997|Tablet   is there a way i could have something do a function while holding the tool but do a different thing when the button is released
15:53 PilzAdam           jojoa1997|Tablet, nope
15:53 RealBadAngel       jojoa1997|Tablet, try detecting shift for different tools behaviour
15:54 jojoa1997|Tablet   well no
15:54 RealBadAngel       this way screwdriver changes modes when shift is pressed
15:54 jojoa1997|Tablet   will talk later and explauin
15:54 jojoa1997|Tablet   explain
15:56 celeron55          i wonder if there is anything that would make it a bad idea to make it possible to specify collision boxes
15:59 KikaRz-HappyBD     I already have my free vps
15:59 KikaRz-HappyBD     :D
15:59 KikaRz-HappyBD     I've asked my brother's girlfriend to enter in her computer by Teamviewer and do this
16:00 iqualfragile       celeron55: trolls wich create frking large collisionboxes?
16:05 celeron55          http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/48511362536/i-dont-need-to-test-that-what-can-possibly-go-wrong
16:07 Traxie21           meow
16:07 Traxie21           Woot, it works now
16:09 celeron55          http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/47263774249/unpacking-bz2-sql-dump
16:11 Traxie21           You never know how much you love github until you're forced to not use it for a bit X_X
16:14 sfan5              celeron55: thats the true power of bz2 ;)
16:15 KikaRz-HappyBD     Traxie21, do you use host1free VPS?
16:16 KikaRz-HappyBD     or another service?
16:16 Traxie21           Host1free
16:16 Traxie21           why?
16:16 KikaRz-HappyBD     k.
16:16 KikaRz-HappyBD     it takes 1 day, really?
16:16 Traxie21           No
16:16 KikaRz-HappyBD     so, how many hours?
16:16 Traxie21           For me, like 2 weeks :P
16:16 Traxie21           But I was just unlucky
16:16 KikaRz-HappyBD     I'll consider you as: Funny...
16:17 Traxie21           jordach got his in like 3 days
16:17 KikaRz-HappyBD     And I consider your answer as: You are kidding :D
16:20 Traxie21           meow
16:21 * sokomine         looks suspicious at traxie
16:21 Jordach            KikaRz-HappyBD, i got mine in three day
16:21 KikaRz-HappyBD     ...
16:22 KikaRz-HappyBD     i want in less than 9 hours
16:22 KikaRz-HappyBD     at least, tomorrow
16:23 Jordach            KikaRz-HappyBD, theyll email you when its done
16:27 iqualfragile       celeron55: oh god that page is too true
16:29 KikaRz-HappyBD     VanessaE or someone who likes USB install
16:31 ShadowNinja        http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/39647530743/kill-9-1
16:34 KikaRz-HappyBD     Someone?
16:39 Jordach            hey mauvebic
16:40 mauvebic           howdy
16:40 Traxie21           SunriseTest back online
16:51 MinetestBot        GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #96 from VanessaE/master 0a9bcf26ca 2013-04-22T09:50:13-07:00 http://git.io/5o8k7A
16:53 khonkhortisan      BullShit messed up math: m_vertices[i].Pos.rotateXZBy(atan2(ppos.Z/BS-m_pos.Z, ppos.X/BS-m_pos.X)/core::DEGTORAD+90);
16:54 khonkhortisan      You'd expect two positions to be in the same coordinate system, but no!
17:00 Traxie21           Strange error
17:04 Traxie21           Error: attempt to index field 'env' a nil value
17:04 Traxie21           O_o
17:04 mauvebic           that happens sometime, though its been a while so i dont remember exactly why lol
17:05 Traxie21           fack
17:05 Traxie21           I have a server-crashing chunk that I can't identify
17:05 mauvebic           post the relevant bits of the debug log here someone should be able to figure it out quickly
17:06 Traxie21           heh
17:06 Traxie21           Server just shuts down when that area loads
17:07 PilzAdam           Traxie21, that appears when you try to access minetest.env when initially loading the script
17:07 mauvebic           then you have something making improper use of on generated
17:07 Traxie21           ok adam
17:07 mauvebic           use minetest.after
17:08 Traxie21           just did
17:08 Traxie21           O_O
17:08 Traxie21           Invalid node name is: "ignore"
17:09 PilzAdam           note that if you get this bug you basically screw the whole mod structure up and minetest.after() is just a workaround to not crash
17:09 PilzAdam           but it doesnt solve anything
17:09 Traxie21           Its just trying to identify a problem
17:10 mauvebic           well without debug/code its hard to guess from chat
17:10 [0gb_us]           "Burning Lava: When Lava alone is not enough..."
17:10 [0gb_us]           http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85551#p85551
17:10 [0gb_us]           Nice.
17:11 Traxie21           PilzAdam: I'm using your clean mod
17:11 Traxie21           Mauvebic: Are you still leaving? :C
17:12 mauvebic           im hanging around here for awhile, that's about it :p dunno when my wife will let me play, she's been hogging the computer since yesterday :p
17:12 Traxie21           lol
17:12 Traxie21           I'd honestly fork this game if I knew C++
17:12 PilzAdam           Traxie21, you wouldnt if you knew c++
17:13 Traxie21           Why not?
17:13 mauvebic           but who wants to maintain a fork? 13$ solves alot of problems for me lol
17:14 mauvebic           alot of stuff ive been wanting to see for the past year and a half
17:15 rubenwardy         Traxie21: I think he is saying the minetest uses C
17:15 rubenwardy         well
17:15 mauvebic           minetest is cpp?
17:15 rubenwardy         they prefer c rather than c++ techniques
17:15 rubenwardy         it is cpp is format, but it seems they are stuck in c
17:16 mauvebic           stuck in alot ways (imo)
17:16 Traxie21           My point is, I'd love to just find a new community to be with this game
17:16 mauvebic           lol the community is excellent
17:16 Traxie21           The current one is too closed-minded and arrogant
17:16 khonkhortisan      Minetest converts double -> float -> double, and multiplies and divides by 10 just so you can't convert stuff.
17:16 khonkhortisan      That's BS, btw
17:16 mauvebic           there are more resources here than in blockscape, if only they'd use them
17:19 Calinou            Traxie21: correction: poisonous people are too closed-minded and arrogant
17:20 Traxie21           poisonous people are hard to define :3
17:20 mauvebic           depends who you're talking about :P
17:20 Calinou            wayland devs approve
17:20 Calinou            *cough*scott moreau*cough*
17:20 * Calinou          minimizes themself
17:20 mauvebic           scott moreau?
17:20 PilzAdam           mauvebic, Traxie21, http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/36872312199/providing-feedback-to-development
17:21 Traxie21           >_>
17:21 mauvebic           the issue aint feedback :P its turning down help and belittling potential contributors before they've even started :p
17:21 Traxie21           Gawd, one day jojoa will learn to spell
17:21 Traxie21           sulphurr is not any known thing afaik
17:22 Calinou            it's "sulphur" once you've smoked sulphur
17:22 Traxie21           lol
17:22 Traxie21           For the record though, his version of redstone isnt that bad
17:24 [0gb_us]           Spelling isn't as important as punctuation. Spell check can help those of us that can't spell, but jojoa needs to stop ending his questions with periods.
17:24 mauvebic           bbl, wife won't let me play, might as well vacuum lol
17:25 Traxie21           are you sure 0gb.us.
17:25 [0gb_us]           mauvebic: Don't fall for it! If you vacuum when she won't let you play, she'll not let you play next time she wants you to vacuum!
17:25 [0gb_us]           Traxie21: Stop that! Use a question mark.
17:25 Traxie21           ok!
17:25 rubenwardy         this is an amazing game: http://tinyurl.com/258co5
17:27 * [0gb_us]         mutes computer, then plays
17:27 celeron55          rubenwardy: lol i didn't even mismove the mouse when the image with the sound came, but it won't let me finish
17:27 celeron55          bad game
17:27 [0gb_us]           Turn up the sound? Yeah, right ....
17:28 rubenwardy         It made my brother jump of the chair
17:28 rubenwardy         *off
17:28 * celeron55        is used to this kind of shit on the internet
17:28 * [0gb_us]         must leave for a couple hours, but will miss you all
17:28 [0gb_us]           Yeah, me too. Which is why I turned off the sound.
17:28 khonkhortisan      Don't play that game.
17:29 celeron55          i kept it on because i wanted to see whether i would fail because of it 8)
17:29 khonkhortisan      I crashed at the start of challenge 3, and it knocked me back to the start
17:29 rubenwardy         It is a great game!
17:29 khonkhortisan      no it's not
17:29 rubenwardy         you need to finish it
17:29 khonkhortisan      the ending
17:29 celeron55          it would've been a good game if it would actually allow to continue and not just stop as if i would have jumped off the window
17:30 khonkhortisan      I made it around one very narrow corner
17:30 rubenwardy         you are supposed to lean in at the end to get better aim
17:31 khonkhortisan      I would've if it became small enough to count pixels
17:32 rubenwardy         there is a scary maze game 2...
17:35 Traxie21           So many server counting bugs
17:36 iqualfragile       "Scary_Maze_Game.swf" … thats not even trying
17:39 drizz              haha
17:41 Calinou            Traxie21: emergethreadagad!
17:41 Traxie21           Lol
17:46 Xenorax            How does one give the Forcefield Emitter power in the Technic Pack?
17:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/583
17:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/546
17:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   We Ned these
17:46 Calinou            Xenorax: cables?
17:46 Calinou            mesecons?
17:46 Calinou            +1, jojoa1997|Tablet
17:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   Calinou whaere?
17:47 Xenorax            Cables don't seem to work. The lv cables plug into them, but they wont gain power.
17:47 Traxie21           I love geany
17:47 Traxie21           I configured it to run Minetest on lua files
17:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   <Calinou> tablet user!
17:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   Traxie how is Minitest now?
17:47 Traxie21           less buggy
17:47 Traxie21           Still crashes a lot
17:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   :-)
17:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   What?
17:48 jojoa1997|Tablet   Might be your mods
17:48 jojoa1997|Tablet   Also send me the reports
17:56 iqualfragile1      hi iqualfragile
17:57 Calinou            <Traxie21> I love geany => +1
17:58 Calinou            I use it too, and you can use it as a replacement of gedit just fine
17:58 Traxie21           I set it to run minetest when opening LUA files
17:58 Calinou            O_o
18:01 Traxie21           Easy
18:01 Traxie21           Build -> Set Build Commands
18:02 Traxie21           Add a Lua command that runs ./minetest in workingdirectory /WHEREVERMINETESTISINSTALLED/bin
18:02 Traxie21           Did that for make and excecute too
18:03 Calinou            I use geany as a text editor, hidden all tabs but the main one
18:03 Traxie21           I did the same, except I kept the build bar
18:03 BlockMen           hi
18:04 BlockMen           PilzAdam, havent watched yet, but seems interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot6_ctng15U
18:05 PilzAdam           Minetest? kenn ich nich...
18:05 PilzAdam           will watch it later
18:06 BlockMen           lol, also show what i mentioned yesterday about games and mods :P
18:07 Traxie21           Potions+HUD is ready :D
18:07 BlockMen           Traxie21, nice. you solved the timer problem?
18:07 Traxie21           mostly
18:07 Traxie21           some testing glitches
18:07 Traxie21           but its mostly done
18:09 Traxie21           i gtg
18:09 Traxie21           gonna push potions
18:09 celeron55          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDPeuJr-Vsw
18:09 celeron55          finnish art
18:11 rubenwardy         wierd
18:17 PilzAdam           celeron55, Im happy you havent made Minetest like "finnish art" :-)
18:19 Jordach            no he did make it like finnish art
18:19 Jordach            its called a old nokia]
18:19 Jordach            celeron55, ^
18:20 mauvebic           im not xsure i get the reference lol aren't nokias indestructable?
18:22 drizz              celeron55: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05POLIQ1rs
18:24 drizz              celeron55: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqzESY7SIqU
18:24 drizz              enjoy.
18:49 mauvebic           im getting PM's from Doc22 (?) saying he cant chat here
18:51 Jordach            hes been muted iirc
18:51 Jordach            anyways: http://i.imgur.com/HRg7F13.png
18:52 mauvebic           judging from the host i told him to get a real irc client
18:52 mauvebic           though if he's been banned/muted than a moderator needs to explain it to him not me :p
18:56 KikaRz             Oláaa
18:56 KikaRz             Hellooo
18:56 khonkhortisan      Greeteengs
18:57 KikaRz             Greetings
18:57 KikaRz             You know what day is today?
18:57 khonkhortisan      Monday? Earth day?
18:57 KikaRz-HappyBD     Read my nick
18:57 khonkhortisan      ah.
18:58 KikaRz-HappyBD     ah?
18:58 KikaRz-HappyBD     host1free takes too much time...
18:58 khonkhortisan      Happy Birthday!
18:58 khonkhortisan      the tv said it at the same time as I did
18:58 KikaRz-HappyBD     Thank yooou!!! ?
18:58 Jordach            dafuq
18:58 KikaRz-HappyBD     Hello Calinou
18:58 Jordach            my irc client is going mad
18:58 KikaRz-HappyBD     Hi Jordach. Dafuq for you too.
18:58 Calinou            hi happy blu-ray disk
18:58 Calinou            :>
18:59 KikaRz-HappyBD     Calinou, i'm "tapes time."
18:59 Jordach            i keep getting those nick highlights when i aint
18:59 KikaRz-HappyBD     Jordach, client?
18:59 Jordach            xchat
18:59 KikaRz-HappyBD     oh.
18:59 KikaRz-HappyBD     Probably your skin?
19:00 Calinou            this channel has 100 users!
19:01 Jordach            \O/
19:02 PilzAdam           awww, jordan4ibanez, you ruined it!
19:02 sfan5              :D
19:02 * ShadowBot        wakes up
19:02 Jordach            were on 99
19:02 * ShadowBot        sleeps
19:02 Jordach            100!
19:02 sfan5              100°
19:02 sfan5              *100!
19:02 Jordach            WOOOO
19:02 mauvebic           gg?
19:02 Jordach            NO
19:02 * ShadowBot        wakes up
19:03 sfan5              100!
19:03 Jordach            YAY
19:03 Jordach            100!
19:03 Jordach            WOOT
19:03 jordan4ibanez      ¿Qué es lo arruino? Yo no arruinar nada! ¿Por qué estoy en Español?
19:03 sfan5              jordan4ibanez: no
19:03 * Jordach          starts raising the roof
19:03 jordan4ibanez      What did I ruin
19:03 sfan5              100 users in this channel
19:03 * ShadowBot        sleeps
19:04 sfan5              MinetestBot: you ruined it!
19:04 jordan4ibanez      exactly 100 users
19:04 sfan5              no 101
19:04 Jordach            sfan5, kill minetestbot
19:04 sfan5              shes innocent
19:05 mauvebic           she? surrogate girlfriend? lol
19:05 mauvebic           hook it up to this thing: http://dailykimchi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Kiss-transmission-device2-550x409.jpg
19:05 Jordach            i like to call her 7 mins of heaven :P
19:06 KikaRz-HappyBD     jordan4ibanez, ...
19:06 KikaRz-HappyBD     mauvebic, you so cute <3
19:06 jordan4ibanez      Happy birthday
19:06 mauvebic           7mins only if youre not a minuteman :P
19:06 KikaRz-HappyBD     Thank you jordan4ibanez
19:06 mauvebic           uhm, im not asian lol
19:06 PilzAdam           sfan5, can someone tell him to disable bi- and trilinear filters? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot6_ctng15U
19:06 KikaRz-HappyBD     mauvebic... but you sent that pic of you transmitting a kiss...
19:07 sfan5              PilzAdam: will do later
19:07 mauvebic           but im not asian, nor would i buy apple
19:07 Calinou            lol mauvebic
19:07 KikaRz-HappyBD     PilzAdam: you can translate what he says?
19:07 KikaRz-HappyBD     or sfan5?
19:07 KikaRz-HappyBD     I think he's chinese that speechs dutch.
19:07 jordan4ibanez      Oh my god, the default sounds sound ear-wrenching to me now
19:08 mauvebic           kikarz, the BD in your name stands for... bondage and domination or?
19:08 jordan4ibanez      oooo that's a little too far...
19:08 sfan5              KikaRz-HappyBD: no, he'd german that speeks german
19:09 sfan5              *he's
19:09 KikaRz-HappyBD     Deutschland? '-'
19:09 mauvebic           he called me asian lol
19:09 mauvebic           fair game
19:09 KikaRz-HappyBD     mauvebic: It's my BirthDay.
19:09 KikaRz-HappyBD     Who makes a mod for me? *W*
19:10 jordan4ibanez      My cake mod
19:10 KikaRz-HappyBD     I want a present / gift
19:10 KikaRz-HappyBD     Cake is a lie, jordan4ibanez
19:10 Calinou            KikaRz-HappyBD, my new moreblocks
19:10 KikaRz-HappyBD     fail
19:10 Calinou            more broken than ubuntu 13.10: the Sinking Ship
19:10 mauvebic           ubuntu sunk a long time ago :P but like the titanic it took people awhile to realize something was up lol
19:11 mauvebic           pretty soon theyll be writing their own kernel in-house, theyve changed just about everything else lol
19:11 Jordach            xubuntu ftw
19:11 Calinou            it was sarcasm mauvebic, I like ubuntu
19:12 Jordach            meh, OpenSUSE is far more user friendly.
19:12 Calinou            mauvebic, which other company is known for "proprietarizing" their things? ...nvidia
19:12 Jordach            i might go arch at some point
19:12 mauvebic           no lifeboats for you then :p
19:12 Calinou            who has the best linux driver right now (for performance)? nvidia.
19:12 mauvebic           well they write a better driver
19:12 Calinou            (and intel for everything else)
19:12 mauvebic           not fond of intel graphics on any platform lol
19:12 Calinou            the modern ones are fine
19:13 Calinou            you can play xonotic on high at 40FPS on an HD4000 :P
19:13 mauvebic           you should see the retro colors/triangles with MT on my netbook lol
19:13 Calinou            netbooks have atom, with powerVR GPUs
19:13 mauvebic           emphasis on playing xonotic, lol i find FPS more reptitive than crafting stuff
19:13 Calinou            sandy bridge/ivy bridge has "HD graphics"
19:13 Calinou            which are better, much better
19:13 mauvebic           atom n450 here
19:14 mauvebic           the one before was worse tho
19:14 Calinou            n455 on this netbook, and I get occasional artefacts, yes
19:14 mauvebic           (ive had 2 netbooks)
19:14 mauvebic           old netbook battery lasted all of 50 minutes LOl
19:14 Calinou            3 hours or so here, depends on use
19:15 mauvebic           doesnt matter, i dont carry the netbook around much, more likely to have it thiefed
19:15 Calinou            anyway, [PSA], anyone who got clue for fixing stairsplus conversions, please tell me
19:15 * Calinou          tends to abuse public service announcements too much
19:15 mauvebic           people will steal your mailbox if its not anchored lol
19:17 mauvebic           high voltage electric fence + wind farms = an environmentally friendly way to dispatch unwanted visitors :p
19:17 Jordach            except burnt flesh makes C02
19:17 mauvebic           plants love c02
19:18 Calinou            <intel joke>overclocking makes C1</intel joke>
19:18 Calinou            (C-state jokes :p)
19:18 mauvebic           i dont overclock lol id rather get new gear than break working gear lol
19:19 mauvebic           at least you can offload the old gear if it still works
19:19 Calinou            it doesn't necessarily break it
19:19 mauvebic           still a gamble tho
19:20 Calinou            it can make it more powerful, thus lasting longer
19:20 Calinou            as a poor guy, you don't do that? >:(
19:20 mauvebic           not poor, i just dont rely on credit
19:20 Calinou            (or well, someone who doesn't want to change their PC often)
19:20 mauvebic           savings, the lost arts lol
19:20 Calinou            :P
19:20 Jordach            anyways, since my father died two weeks ago, i will more than likely receive his 270k
19:20 mauvebic           i guess we wont be seing you around here anymore lol
19:20 Calinou            " since my father died two weeks ago" => never knew :x
19:21 Jordach            Calinou, i told VanessaE about it
19:21 mauvebic           new rig, new games
19:21 Jordach            mauvebic, nope. bigger tower, bigger Minetest.
19:21 mauvebic           well i doubt vanessae would gossip about it to other moderators
19:21 Jordach            yeah
19:21 Calinou            too bad you don't reside in france and have facebook, Jordach
19:21 Jordach            why Calinou
19:21 mauvebic           you can only add french facebook people?
19:22 mauvebic           must be some weird new law of Hollande's lol
19:22 Jordach            inb4 Calinou wants a share of 270k
19:22 mauvebic           lol
19:22 mauvebic           yeah you shouldn't have mentionned that here
19:22 Jordach            i dont even plan on using it.
19:23 Calinou            there's a french e-commerçant doing this: http://www.cowcotland.com/images/news/2013/04/top-acaht-concours-dream-machineiii.jpg
19:23 Calinou            a €5000 machine
19:23 Jordach            fuck that.
19:23 Calinou            no u
19:23 Jordach            ill build mine
19:23 mauvebic           in any case, 3 computers aint poor lol
19:23 mauvebic           not with people playing from public computers
19:23 Jordach            mauvebic, two towers and a 19'' laptop in here
19:23 Calinou            fun fact: I have the same SSD as that machine :D
19:24 Jordach            mauvebic, i plan on keeping the account in france
19:24 mauvebic           still not sure what ill do with the p4 when the processor finally goes, its the last original part, much like grandma's situation
19:24 Calinou            so much taxes in france
19:24 Jordach            (yes, my dad used a french bank to avoid taxes_
19:24 mauvebic           75% on income, whats the inheritance tax like?
19:24 Calinou            mauvebic, build a new PC with a cheap celeron :P
19:24 Jordach            mauvebic, fuck all afaik
19:24 Calinou            Jordach, avoid taxes? in france? WTF
19:25 mauvebic           could always do like Depardieu and defect to Russia lol
19:25 Jordach            Calinou, he was gaining £600 on no tax
19:25 Calinou            StrayBytes, we know you're rarkenin >:)
19:25 Jordach            + my disability bonus of £600
19:25 StrayBytes         Yeah, everyone knows.
19:25 StrayBytes         Just needed some change.
19:25 mauvebic           disability? for what? we seem to have alot of that here
19:25 Jordach            mauvebic, i have mild autism
19:26 Jordach            thats why my english isnt exactly the queens, is it
19:26 StrayBytes         Same here as well.
19:26 mauvebic           with britain's finances in the state they are in, is there any danger that it wont last?
19:26 Jordach            mauvebic, i keep all income from it
19:26 Jordach            Disabled > Non-Disabled
19:26 mauvebic           over here the gov't is actually asking our soldiers to PAY BACK danger pay from afghanistan, talk about stabbing in the back
19:27 Calinou            StrayBytes, too bad you don't live in france: http://www.cowcotland.com/images/news/2013/04/top-acaht-concours-dream-machineiii.jpg
19:27 Calinou            :p
19:27 Jordach            and Calinou if it were your BDAY, i would have bought you something
19:27 Calinou            the equivalent of the dream machine III, please
19:27 Jordach            mines in 8 days
19:27 khonkhortisan      Great. Irrlicht can't draw straight lines.
19:28 Jordach            i guess Irrlicht is gay
19:28 Calinou            khonkhortisan, it can? eg. selection box
19:28 Jordach            Calinou, i had the best XBL moment ever the other week
19:29 Jordach            playing Halo 4, kicking ass and guess what happens when I'm first on the leaderboard
19:29 Jordach            all i heard over the headset is: "your mom's a bitch."
19:30 Calinou            lol
19:30 Calinou            I turn voice off in TF2
19:30 Calinou            no point in listening to people saying stuff like that :P
19:30 Jordach            Calinou, me too
19:30 Jordach            i forgot to mute voices
19:31 Jordach            https://github.com/minetest/common/commit/f81affa77ab1d22619f376246114697c9b28defd#commitcomment-3058261 HOLY SHIT
19:31 * JesseH           has a mod idea that he would like input on.
19:31 Jordach            i think 0.4.7 will probably be mapgen V7
19:34 mauvebic           anything else planned for 047?
19:34 PilzAdam           leveldb and LuaJIT
19:34 PilzAdam           I dont think v7 will be ready for 0.4.7
19:35 mauvebic           well, neither of those are new :P most people have jit by now and oldcoder did leveldb at least over six months ago
19:35 khonkhortisan      This four-way Y is supposed to be a four-way = and look like # but it looks like http://postimg.org/image/v2f761lpn/
19:35 Calinou            mauvebic, windows builds don't have JIT
19:35 khonkhortisan      It gets the endpoints right, but it joins two lines in the middle
19:35 PilzAdam           Calinou, my builds have LuaJIT
19:36 khonkhortisan      Or maybe it's crossing the endpoints?
19:37 khonkhortisan      Oh. My fault.
19:37 khonkhortisan      -v2s32(10, 1) ... +v2s32(10, 1)
19:37 khonkhortisan      It was being crossed.
19:37 NakedFury          I thought we had leveldb since long time ago
19:38 mauvebic           me too :P i know oldcoer uses it for all the worlds he hosts
19:38 Jordach            which works far better than sqlite
19:39 Jordach            but how the fuck do we make maps with minetestmapper
19:39 mauvebic           you need an input path and an output file
19:39 Jordach            with leveldb
19:39 Jordach            jeez mauvebic
19:39 jordan4ibanez      vote: When you enter a graveyard, should it turn the server to night?
19:39 mauvebic           ittl have to be rewritten for leveldb obviously :p
19:40 mauvebic           jordan only if youre on a private server, alone
19:40 mauvebic           otherwise everytime someone steps in...
19:42 sfan5              jordan4ibanez: yes, if you're alone
19:42 jordan4ibanez      or, if everyone in the server is in the graveyard!
19:44 jordan4ibanez      or I mean, if everyone on the server is in _a_ graveyard
19:45 Calinou            would be sad then, can't people do something else? :D
19:48 jordan4ibanez      And there could be a gravestone which uses the spawner api to spawn undead players at night!
19:49 Calinou            idea: when you die, you're jailed in grave. grave opens for 1 minute after sunset
19:49 Calinou            (or during night)
19:49 jordan4ibanez      sfan5: I left a comment on that let's play you posted
19:49 jordan4ibanez      Calinou: That could be interesting
19:49 khonkhortisan      nethack version: Dying creates a gravestone. Engraving on the gravestone creates a ghost of the player. Killing the ghost drops the player's previous inventory.
19:49 sfan5              jordan4ibanez: what did i post? wut?
19:49 jordan4ibanez      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot6_ctng15U
19:50 NakedFury          khonkhortisan: that would be amazing for minetest
19:50 sfan5              jordan4ibanez: italian?
19:50 jordan4ibanez      No this is english sfan5
19:50 sfan5              screw it
19:50 NakedFury          any special way to kill ghosts? only 1 type of ore that can harm it? like only gold or silver?
19:51 Jordach            mithril
19:51 sfan5              http://is.gd/QueX1a
19:51 Jordach            sfan5, dafuq
19:51 BlockMen           "313hummer vor 1 Minute
19:51 BlockMen           If only I knew how? to speak Italian!" LOL ;D
19:51 Calinou            what is the function one can use to set the 6d facedir of a node?
19:52 Calinou            and which direction do I need to use to flip something on the Y axis?
19:52 Calinou            (upside down slabs/stairs)
19:52 BlockMen           sfan, hättest ja ma noch n lob dalassen können
19:53 sfan5              BlockMen: njaa.. hab ich vergessen
19:54 sfan5              BlockMen: bester kommentar unterm video "gibt es das spiel bei steam??"
19:54 Calinou            SIIVUT
19:54 Calinou            however, ich not bin finnish
19:54 BlockMen           dann hols nach und weiß ihn drauf hin, dass er noch "bitte supportet mineCRAFT" in der beschreibung stehen hat. ;)
19:54 BlockMen           sfan5, und ich find jordans kommentar am besten
19:55 sfan5              BlockMen: das mit minecraft hab ich auch gesehn..
19:55 drizz              so when the hell did everything turn deutsch
19:56 khonkhortisan      Calinou, I made some functions for that https://github.com/khonkhortisan/rubiks/blob/master/init.lua#L350-472
19:58 Calinou            I don't understand, you say "Stealable code" then "--Do not use this in your mod. This is for sharing only." :P
19:58 Calinou            if we want to use it, should we copy the whole function? is that what you mean?
20:05 jordan4ibanez      What have I done http://i.imgur.com/hx8Bbym.jpg
20:10 khonkhortisan      I mean I don't want the function to be in a mod, where other mods have to depend on it. I want it where all mods can access it.
20:11 khonkhortisan      You've done random spawning?
20:13 khonkhortisan      draw2DLine takes v2s32 as an argument. With no distance between the points, the line is not drawn. So I use drawPixel. But that uses two u32, instead of v2s32. Seems like a bad design to change variable types based on line distance.
20:24 KikaRz             Hello my sweethearts...
20:24 KikaRz             Hi VanessaE, how you and abe are? :D
20:28 * [0gb_us]         is back
20:28 khonkhortisan      From the center of the crosshair, it goes ten pixels up and left, but nine pixels right and down.
20:32 MinetestBot        GIT: eduardojsm commited to minetest/minetest: Translation to Portuguese of Brazil for Minetest 58ded5cd27 2013-04-22T13:12:57-07:00 http://git.io/FK1PJw
20:46 Calinou            hi Traxie21 and iqualfragile
20:46 Traxie21           hiap Calinou
20:47 Calinou            hiap?
20:48 PilzAdam           hiap.
20:48 iqualfragile       hpia Calinou
20:50 sokomine           hi
20:52 Calinou            oh hey Morrolan :P
20:55 jojoa1997|Tablet   Good news
20:55 jojoa1997|Tablet   After 3 hours of fighting with node boxes I got cactii to have spikes
20:59 Traxie21           Gratz
20:59 Traxie21           Could you fix the inventory issue?
21:00 ShadowNinja        jojoa1997|Tablet: there is already a mod for that...
21:03 jojoa1997|Tablet   Shadow I didn't know and wanted to try it myself
21:03 jojoa1997|Tablet   Next step is the book
21:03 jojoa1997|Tablet   Traxie I will be on server soon
21:04 jojoa1997|Tablet   Which inventory is problematic
21:04 jojoa1997|Tablet   Traxie21 ^
21:04 Traxie21           Player inventory does not revert to crafting/back
21:05 BlockMen           Traxie21, jojoa1997: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85939#p85939
21:05 Traxie21           lol
21:05 BlockMen           sry for that...but i have no idea why it didnt work
21:05 Calinou            it's not that hard, jojoa1997|Tablet :P
21:05 Calinou            you use 4 flat nodeboxes to do that
21:05 Calinou            you would collide with the spikes, however :P
21:05 jojoa1997|Tablet   Calinou i have trouble visualizing nodeboxes
21:06 Calinou            it's the hardest part, yeah
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   anyways the spikes are 1/16
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   spikes = 8/16
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   cactii body = /16
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   oh and selection box is just the body
21:07 sokomine           use sapiers wielditem editor. it's good for complex nodebox models
21:07 jojoa1997|Tablet   link
21:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   Traxie21
21:08 Traxie21           yarp?
21:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   the problem is when i make minitest i cant test multiplayer
21:08 Traxie21           :I
21:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   so bugs like these WILL show up
21:09 jojoa1997|Tablet   unless
21:09 Traxie21           Its not so much the bugs, its just that it's a pain to edit mods, because when I update, I have to start over
21:13 jojoa1997|Tablet   i know
21:17 jojoa1997|Tablet   it ia the stupid reset thingy
21:18 Calinou            Traxie21, +1, testing mods in minetest is... painful
21:18 Traxie21           Not w/ github :3
21:18 Calinou            it would be nice to be able to bind a key to disconnect and reconnect
21:18 Calinou            testing, not publishing
21:20 Calinou            error reporting could be fancier too (show more lines in the in-game error log)
21:23 BlockMen           Traxie21, jojoa1997, i have another problem with inventory: http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=21l7mtk&s=4
21:24 BlockMen           or have you changed the recipe for a workbench?
21:25 Traxie21           O-o
21:26 Traxie21           strange
21:27 BlockMen           Traxie21, i guess it an issue with the field width
21:27 Traxie21           I think so
21:27 BlockMen           when i left 3 (but they are not in a row) it offers me to craft a slab
21:29 jojoa1997|Tablet   Traxie21 can i have the gamemode priv. I want to be able to test it and also maybe show people the new mesecons stuff
21:29 Traxie21           get online for a sec jojoa, I need to promote you
21:29 Traxie21           can I promote blockie too?
21:29 jojoa1997|Tablet   sure
21:30 jojoa1997|Tablet   it is your server
21:30 jojoa1997|Tablet   and what do you mean promote?
21:30 * jojoa1997|Tablet hides
21:30 * jojoa1997|Tablet is a player
21:31 * jojoa1997|Tablet asks Traxie21 for gamemode priv
21:31 jordan4ibanez      Yay now graveyards can generate semi- buried http://i.imgur.com/7h3Skuk.jpg
21:31 khonkhortisan      promote 2. to advance in rank, dignity, position, etc. ( opposed to demote )
21:32 khonkhortisan      Must a graveyard be flat?
21:33 khonkhortisan      You should be able to place gravestones and a wall on the top of the existing ground
21:33 Traxie21           working on it jojoa
21:34 jordan4ibanez      No, but the bottom 4 corners must not be air, and the top 4 corners must be air, graveyards can be spawned semi buried, and in a horrible condition due to mapgen modifying the terrain, but i'll allow it because it looks cool
21:36 BlockMen           gd n8t everyone
21:36 jordan4ibanez      good night
21:38 jordan4ibanez      I don't know if I should make them super rare though, it would be kind of annoying to have a poop ton of graveyards on the map methinks
21:40 jordan4ibanez      Since it uses the same generation rules as flowers and grass, graveyards spawn with flowers and grass in them
21:41 Calinou            new item: pooping graveyards
21:41 Calinou            spawns dirt under graveyards every 30 seconds
21:41 khonkhortisan      Dead peole have long fingernails
21:42 jordan4ibanez      Awesome idea lol
21:42 jordan4ibanez      Can I extend the reach of the player?
21:43 kaeza              hi all
21:44 sokomine           hi kaeza
21:44 kaeza              o/
21:44 Calinou            jordan4ibanez, not without C++
21:53 jordan4ibanez      Damn
21:54 jojoa1997|Tablet   wyhat
22:16 Kacey              http://ifunny.mobi/f/eSnH1PDy
22:24 jojoa1997|Tablet   who wants to see a self building wall?
22:24 jojoa1997|Tablet   come join traxies server
22:25 PilzAdam           worldedit++
22:26 Kacey              built one before
22:27 jordan4ibanez      Anyone, go get minetest black and find a graveyard, tell me if they are too rare
22:28 jojoa1997|Tablet   link to download
22:32 jojoa1997|Tablet   jordach i really like your game but
22:32 jojoa1997|Tablet   i think you should stick with default or maybe my inventory
22:33 jojoa1997|Tablet   cause you cant do creative in yours
22:33 jordan4ibanez      Creative mode is fucking stupid
22:33 jojoa1997|Tablet   why
22:33 jojoa1997|Tablet   when tools run out i cant use your things]
22:34 jordan4ibanez      It ruins the fun of the game, the exploring, the adventure
22:34 jordan4ibanez      Yes, because they're not complete yet, there are no recipes for powertools or gravestones yet
22:35 * kaeza            highfives jordan4ibanez o/
22:35 jordan4ibanez      o/\o
22:36 khonkhortisan      How tall can you make a self-repairing wall?
22:38 Kacey              as tall as you want
22:39 jojoa1997|Tablet   any height
22:39 jojoa1997|Tablet   or  if it repairs going up up to 15
22:40 jojoa1997|Tablet   after i die and fin a graveyard i will make one in minecraft
22:40 jojoa1997|Tablet   jordan make skeletons
22:41 jojoa1997|Tablet   i am done with coding today
22:43 Kacey              http://youtu.be/qnydFmqHuVo
22:43 ssieb              jojoa1997|Tablet: is that self-repairing wall a mod?
22:45 jojoa1997|Tablet   how does forsmpec work
22:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   jordan4ibanez for the hammer thingy ^
22:46 jordan4ibanez      powertool on left, repair material on the right (steelblock)
22:46 StrayBytes         Can we actually make digging realistic? i.e. digging a cubic meter of dirt doesn't take a second with a steel shovel.
22:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   can i use rock
22:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   i like the new way
22:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   formspec and interactive
22:47 jojoa1997|Tablet   thpough how do i craft hammers
22:48 drizz              what's the name of the water nodes?
22:49 jojoa1997|Tablet   default:water_source
22:49 jojoa1997|Tablet   jordan4ibanez where do graveyards spawn
22:49 jordan4ibanez      randomly
22:50 jojoa1997|Tablet   not on dirt or sand or grvel?
22:51 jordan4ibanez      only on dirt
22:51 jordan4ibanez      or dirt_with_gras
22:51 jordan4ibanez      s/gras/grass
22:51 jojoa1997|Tablet   -.-
22:51 jojoa1997|Tablet   i am in desert
22:51 jojoa1997|Tablet   what is the name for the node gun
23:03 Exio               Mem:         11988        658      11330          0         47        241
23:03 Exio               :D
23:08 drizz              is stairs working for anyone else?
23:15 PilzAdam           I was alone in the channel oO
23:16 drizz              01:12:02 Split *.net <-> *.split quits: xming, PilzAdam, dzho
23:16 drizz              :p
23:19 StrayBytes         Is the network reconnected?
23:19 StrayBytes         #freenode
23:20 Pentium44          what?
23:23 StrayBytes         There was a netsplit.
23:27 Pentium44          ahh
23:28 PilzAdam           bye
23:29 sokomine           we seem to be all back in the channel now
23:31 Kacey              can you define functions with luacontrollers?
23:40 iqualfragile       interesting, euirc had a netsplit, too
23:44 Pentium44          Kacey, hello
23:44 Kacey              hi
23:53 jojoa1997|Tablet   back