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00:00 VanessaE now now, my code isn't bad - it's functional, clean, and valid according to the w3c
00:00 VanessaE (except for one case where I had to violate the "standard" to get something to work right)
00:00 Uberi VanessaE: like target="_blank"! why did they remove that!
00:01 [0gb_us] If it doesn't validate as strict XHTML, it isn't truly clean, it's only "clean enough". But "clean enough" isn't clean enough, if you ask me.
00:01 Exio Uberi: depends of the question the programmer says
00:01 khonkhortisan minetest isn't clean enough, it leaks memory and segfaults
00:01 [0gb_us] target="_blank" is annoying to users.
00:01 Uberi not sure I understand, Exio
00:01 Uberi [0gb_us]: but it does have legitimate uses, you would admit?
00:01 [0gb_us] If users want a new tab, they specify that themselves.
00:01 Exio Uberi: you don't say that just for the lulz and from nothing
00:01 VanessaE Uberi: no, actually in this case it had to do with how I got the embedded directory listing in my "Minetest" page of the website to work.
00:02 [0gb_us] Very VERY few legitimate uses. It' HIGHLY abused.
00:02 Uberi [0gb_us]: of course, but that doesn't justify making it impossible to bring about said legitimate uses
00:02 VanessaE I don't remember what it was now, but some dumb-ass restriction in where I could put one tag versus another (which were supposed to be mutually exclusive, but needed to be used together for the effect to work)
00:02 Uberi it's all about balancing it
00:02 Exio [0gb_us]: ALL the stuff is abused IN BAD WAYS
00:02 VanessaE brb
00:02 khonkhortisan If I'm writing a comment on github, and I click on the files changed to reference it, I want it to open in a new tab.
00:03 Uberi VanessaE: like putting block elements inside <a> tags?
00:03 Uberi that was annoying to work around
00:03 Exio and because that, we need to stop using javascript, the internet
00:03 [0gb_us] Then that's the browser failing to implement the standard correctly. That's no excuse for bad code, bad code just gives browsers an excuse not to catch up with the standard.
00:04 [0gb_us] Block elements should never be in an <a/> tag.
00:04 paxcoder wrong
00:04 paxcoder new std allows this
00:04 Uberi paxcoder: I am fully aware
00:04 [0gb_us] "STD"?
00:04 Uberi (short for standard)
00:04 * [0gb_us] only knows of sexually transmitted diseases
00:04 khonkhortisan your browser has internet stds
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00:05 Menche c++ programs use std namespaces
00:05 [0gb_us] I'm not on WIndows, so no it doesn't.
00:05 Uberi salivating transcendental diasporas
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00:05 khonkhortisan std::map
00:05 paxcoder apparently, windows do not gain focus depending on what i'm looking at
00:05 paxcoder i also joined #std for some reason
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00:06 Uberi khonkhortisan: btw I can confirm the issue (#93) but don't have time to fix it right now
00:06 khonkhortisan k
00:06 paxcoder [0gb_us], std is a std way to abbreviate standard
00:06 paxcoder (in computing lingo anyway)
00:07 paxcoder stdlib.h
00:07 paxcoder libstdc++
00:07 khonkhortisan standard is a standard way to expand std
00:08 Menche std is a std way to abbreviate standard
00:08 khonkhortisan yes, pax just said that
00:08 Menche oh, didn't see that
00:08 khonkhortisan and you copied it exactly :)
00:09 khonkhortisan no information was lost in the double translation
00:10 paxcoder let's talk about why we dislike "bad" languages
00:10 Uberi we dislike "bad" languages?
00:10 paxcoder Uberi, Exio, care to start with JS?
00:11 Exio with what?
00:11 khonkhortisan lua can create, copy, and delete files, but can't do anything with directories. You must create a function to copy tables, or split strings.
00:11 [0gb_us] Lua indexes from one. BAD. Python treats indention as syntax. BAD. English is full of inconsistencies. BAD.
00:11 Uberi Exio: I believe he meant JavaScript
00:11 paxcoder With ECMAScript, Exio
00:11 Exio but i mean, with what? a webpage? :P
00:11 Uberi [0gb_us]: 1 based indexing is quite intuitive for new users, from my experiences
00:11 paxcoder no, you personally
00:11 khonkhortisan I could see how a whitespace error would be bad
00:11 lordcirth [0gb_us], well at least python forces you to be neat :)
00:12 khonkhortisan whether you use zero or one, you're still going to be off by one anyway
00:12 Exio lordcirth: => bad code
00:12 Uberi I know there is a rationale for 0 based indexing, but ask someone to count to something and they will almost always start with 1, 2, 3...
00:12 Uberi the aim of programming is letting the human tell the computer what to do, not the other way around
00:12 paxcoder khonkhortisan, hehe
00:12 lordcirth Uberi, true say
00:12 [0gb_us] lordcirth: I'm much neater when I can use proper indention as opposed to forced indention.
00:12 khonkhortisan then you get into the field of natural language programming
00:12 [0gb_us] Python forces me to be LESS neat than usual.
00:13 paxcoder khonkhortisan, let's not go there
00:13 Uberi paxcoder: I don't really like the way JS does certain things, such as bitwise operations/numbers in general
00:13 paxcoder that field doesn't exist
00:13 Exio paxcoder: i like JS and know some, i don't get the answer :P
00:13 Uberi but hey, it works in the browser, I can't complain there
00:13 khonkhortisan I should make a natural language hello world, just to see how weird it is-
00:14 paxcoder Uberi, try to formalize some more
00:14 Exio use only english-and-common words as keywords for it
00:14 Uberi paxcoder: wrt specific things I dislike?
00:14 [0gb_us] Actually, getting all browsers to render JavaScript well without resorting to hacky code is a pain in the rear.
00:14 paxcoder Uberi, yes
00:14 Uberi sure thing
00:14 paxcoder [0gb_us], how do you "render" JS?
00:14 Uberi JS numbers are all internally represented as doubles
00:15 paxcoder Uberi, ouch
00:15 Uberi (I mean 64 bit floating point numbers, 6 bit exponent)
00:15 [0gb_us] Or rather, "interpret", not "render". My bad.
00:15 Uberi that means you lose a TON of precision with big numbers and can't do math properly, essentially
00:15 khonkhortisan that sounds really bad to not have even a little control over your variable types
00:16 paxcoder khonkhortisan, yes it does. Makes me have doubts about #asm.js
00:16 Uberi also since numbers are all actually floats, bitwise operations are... well, you can guess
00:17 khonkhortisan shifted?
00:17 Uberi well, for one bitwise operations work by rounding the numbers to ints, performing the operation, then converting the int back to a float
00:18 paxcoder a major source of problems is + being the concat operator for strings as well as a numerical operator for addition
00:18 Exio duck typing?
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00:18 paxcoder the truth table is messed up as well
00:18 paxcoder Exio, no, just dynamic typing
00:18 Exio then try duck typing
00:19 paxcoder in JS not everything is an object
00:19 Uberi weak typing is more of an issue
00:19 Exio i like weak typing at some point :P
00:19 Uberi python handles polymorphism fine, because it is strongly typed
00:19 khonkhortisan touch typing you've lost me
00:19 Exio Uberi: python...?
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00:19 Uberi JS is weakly typed so polymorphism can get pretty confusing
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00:19 paxcoder grr.. did i miss anything?
00:19 Uberi Exio: yep
00:19 Uberi just one line
00:19 Uberi "(8:19:39 PM) Uberi: JS is weakly typed so polymorphism can get pretty confusing"
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00:20 WiredOnLinux I love the new Website
00:20 Uberi it's quite lovely, yes
00:20 Uberi mobile friendly too, from my tests this morning
00:21 Exio Uberi: i don't see how can python be "strongly typed" :P
00:21 Uberi Exio: strongly typed means that things that are of one type, such as a str, don't suddenly turn into another type
00:21 Exio strongly + dynamic you mean?
00:22 Uberi yep
00:22 Uberi strong/weak and dynamic/static are independent
00:22 Exio i think i'm a bit weird, i like C weak typing :P
00:22 Uberi well when you have polymorphism, it can get pretty messy
00:23 Uberi for example, paxcoder gave the example of adding two things together
00:23 Uberi "1"+"2"=="12", but 1+2==3
00:23 Exio in those cases, yes
00:23 Uberi this is not a big problem when you already know what the types are
00:24 paxcoder actually, it is
00:24 Uberi but if the language can essentially change the types around at will, it becomes a problem
00:24 paxcoder hmm
00:24 paxcoder my interpreter (chromium) concatinets if any of the args is a string
00:25 paxcoder *concatenates
00:25 paxcoder i think i saw somewhere it should add if the first thing is a number
00:25 khonkhortisan what if the string won't turn into a number?
00:25 Exio i would like to write a type checker just for the lulz
00:26 Uberi khonkhortisan: the computer shuts down after sending nuclear launch codes off to north korea
00:26 Exio i should do, a pre-processor and that stuff :P
00:26 Exio lol Uberi
00:26 paxcoder khonkhortisan, it doesn't
00:26 khonkhortisan then I shall stay away
00:26 paxcoder it's always a string
00:26 paxcoder * always string concatenation
00:26 Exio xD
00:26 Uberi be back in a bit
00:27 paxcoder also if you prepend a 0 to a number, suddenly it's octal base
00:27 paxcoder *number literal
00:28 khonkhortisan add a zero, multiply, take the zero, you have encryption
00:28 paxcoder wat
00:28 Exio "ERROR: The typechecker failed" suddenly "Sending nuclear launch codes ... b[OK]"
00:28 khonkhortisan very weak encryption
00:28 Exio er, fail, the [ok] should be green :P
00:29 paxcoder khonkhortisan, that's called encoding
00:29 Exio khonkhortisan: i always use rot13 two times for my password files
00:29 Exio rot26 ftw!
00:29 khonkhortisan Error: The typechecker failed. Sending nuclear launch codes [OK]
00:29 NakedFury what is rot13?
00:30 Exio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rot13 this explains what rot13 pretty well :P
00:30 khonkhortisan I'll get bad data if I don't decode the rot13 :)
00:30 [0gb_us] It's a Caesar Cipher, with a rotation of 13.
00:30 khonkhortisan you need to store a variable for how many times it was done so the cracker doesn't get confused
00:30 khonkhortisan and try to use it without decoding
00:31 paxcoder oh i found it
00:31 paxcoder '5' + 3 gives '53', whereas '5' - 3 gives 2
00:31 khonkhortisan weird
00:31 paxcoder implicit cast, because - is an arithmetic operator
00:31 Exio v1 - (-1 * v2)
00:31 khonkhortisan the minus forces arithmetic
00:32 paxcoder that is, only an arithmetic operator
00:32 paxcoder which is what + should be too
00:32 Exio what about "abc" - "b" ?
00:32 Exio ac?
00:32 paxcoder NaN
00:32 khonkhortisan stuff = '5' bool = true while true print(stuff) if bool then stuff = stuff + 3 else stuff = stuff - 3 end bool = not bool end
00:33 khonkhortisan 5 53 51 513 511 5113 5111
00:33 khonkhortisan whoops I can't add
00:33 khonkhortisan :)
00:33 paxcoder haha, check it:
00:33 paxcoder '5'-'2'+1
00:33 paxcoder 4
00:33 paxcoder 1 + '5'-'2'
00:33 paxcoder 13
00:34 paxcoder (left to right evaluation obviously)
00:34 khonkhortisan left to right
00:34 paxcoder khonkhortisan, TYPE FASTER ;-P
00:34 khonkhortisan that's how long it took me to think
00:34 paxcoder haha
00:35 paxcoder anyway, PHP now?
00:36 Exio scheme
00:36 Exio or racket
00:36 paxcoder btw. if someone wants to be mind-boggled, here's JS' truth table: http://stackoverflow.com/a/1998224
00:36 paxcoder Exio, what about them?
00:37 Exio paxcoder: their syntax is freaking awesome
00:37 khonkhortisan left side decides - first is string, second is number
00:37 paxcoder Exio, are you being sarcastic? because i really think so
00:37 Exio paxcoder: nope
00:37 paxcoder khonkhortisan, not always, see false == '0'
00:37 Exio it is really awesome, when you get used to it
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00:38 paxcoder i don't think it's very practical, but it's awesome because it's simple
00:38 paxcoder super-parsable
00:38 [0gb_us] Minetest now keeps crashing on me, but only when I log out .... This is odd, but amusing.
00:38 Exio paxcoder: why not?
00:38 khonkhortisan it turns '0' into 0, and 'false' into a number repres...? hmm
00:39 paxcoder Exio, i don't like to match parentheses. Also, I like my arithmetic operators to be inline
00:39 Exio i like the idea of (+ x (* a (- b c))) :P
00:39 Exio (i started hating it)
00:40 paxcoder as much as this is fun: (+ 1 2 3 4), this isn't: (+ (- (+1 2) 3 (+ 4 5) 6) 1)
00:40 Exio you are sure what you are doing, and you are doing useless stuff in there :P
00:41 Uberi [0gb_us]: using a new build?
00:41 Exio you would need to use () to be sure the stuff gets "in some order" in other programming language
00:41 Exio wb Uberi :P
00:41 [0gb_us] No, stable build.
00:41 Uberi p/
00:41 Uberi [0gb_us]: aw, in that case I have no idea
00:41 [0gb_us] No debug info, just a segfault ...
00:42 paxcoder Exio, i have a syntax error. well i'm not going to go through the bother of correcting it just to prove that it's a bother ;-)
00:42 Uberi paxcoder: well I think the higher order stuff makes up for it in certain applications
00:42 paxcoder i like SML better
00:42 [0gb_us] Also, it only happens with a very minimalistic game. A game that only defines the nodes needed for mapgen.
00:42 paxcoder ML*
00:42 Exio well, ML syntax is awesome, too
00:42 [0gb_us] OH! I forgot to define the hand. Maybe that's the issue.
00:42 Uberi I'm a bit torn on the syntax
00:43 paxcoder the syntax of ML is much more complex
00:43 Menche [0gb_us], i get a segfault on logout with my minimal game, too
00:43 Exio yep
00:43 paxcoder but it's easier to write than scheme's
00:43 Exio Menche: git pull && make -j6
00:43 [0gb_us] Not the game called minimal, but a game that doesn't contain much, and is therefore minimal.
00:44 Menche yeah, not "minimal", i just defined some nodes
00:44 [0gb_us] Oh, okay.
00:44 Uberi anyways, I'm gonna go write some docs for Pipeworks now
00:45 ssieb I can't get the tube to connect to a chest...
00:45 NakedFury what docs?
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00:45 Uberi NakedFury: exactly :P
00:45 Uberi there is currently no documentation except for the forum topic
00:46 Uberi those of us who play a lot offline are tired of being unable to look up the recipes
00:46 NakedFury ohh
00:46 [0gb_us] Okay. no hand == segfault on logout. Good to know.
00:46 [0gb_us] Adding the hand fixes it.
00:46 Guest18558 minetest runs at 30fps untill i try to break a node...then it crashes any suggestions?
00:46 NakedFury make it all cool pdf style
00:46 Uberi Guest18558: can you post `tail -n 100 debug.txt`?
00:46 Exio Guest18558: any error message, in the console or so? (what can be useful)
00:47 Exio i learned a new 'word' today
00:47 Exio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_problem
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00:47 alex256 19:29:31: ACTION[main]:         .__               __                   __
00:47 alex256 19:29:31: ACTION[main]:   _____ |__| ____   _____/  |_  ____   _______/  |_
00:47 alex256 19:29:31: ACTION[main]:  /     \|  |/    \_/ __ \   __\/ __ \ /  ___/\   __\
00:47 alex256 19:29:31: ACTION[main]: |  Y Y  \  |   |  \  ___/|  | \  ___/ \___ \  |  |
00:47 Uberi Exio: unfortunately I see that all too often
00:47 alex256 19:29:31: ACTION[main]: |__|_|  /__|___|  /\___  >__|  \___  >____  > |__|
00:47 alex256 19:29:31: ACTION[main]:       \/        \/     \/          \/     \/
00:47 alex256 19:29:31: ACTION[main]: World at [/root/.minetest/worlds/1]
00:47 alex256 19:29:31: ACTION[main]: Server for gameid="minimal" listening on port 30011.
00:47 alex256 [minimal] giving initial stuff to player
00:47 alex256 19:29:32: ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer joins game. List of players: singleplayer
00:47 alex256 -------------
00:47 khonkhortisan don't paste that here
00:47 Uberi alex256: please use pasteall.org to paste your stuff
00:47 alex256 Separator
00:47 mauvebic ?
00:47 alex256 -------------
00:48 Menche please use pastebin.com
00:48 Exio damn
00:48 Uberi uh oh, his client is doing it now
00:48 khonkhortisan we already know the minetest text logo
00:48 mauvebic lol
00:48 alex256 sorry...
00:48 Uberi I prefer pasteall.org because it doesn't have any captchas :)
00:48 khonkhortisan looks like it didn't shutdown properly
00:48 Uberi alex256: basically we just need, say, the last 100 lines
00:48 jordan4ibanez But you can't use pastie.org for world domination
00:48 Exio Uberi: me too, like having 5 files for adding a line in a 6th
00:49 alex256 yes it crashes
00:49 Uberi alex256: crashes with what message?
00:49 alex256 yes
00:50 Uberi um
00:50 Uberi it crashed with the message, "yes"?
00:50 Menche please post the last dozen or so lines to one of the pastebin sites mentioned
00:50 alex256 the fist run was at 30 fps ..i could run around but when i tries to break a tree it crashed
00:50 Uberi alex256: yes, but what was the message when it crashed?
00:51 Uberi or was there a message at all?
00:51 jordan4ibanez we should have reusable items, like buckets, which have a renews = "item or node" addition to them, so in the crafting table, when you use a bucket of lava, it turns into a bucket
00:51 Menche there's already something like that
00:51 Menche called replace or something
00:52 Uberi yeah it's for exactly this purpose too
00:52 alex256 singleplayer digs default:tree at(-96,11,608) is the last thing it says.....
00:52 Uberi alex256: do you have any mods/custom games?
00:52 Uberi or any other customizations?
00:52 Uberi do you have shaders enabled?
00:53 Uberi which game is your world using?
00:53 alex256 no just installed the puppy 0.4.6 on a spare computer
00:53 alex256 minetest_game
00:54 alex256 i can reboot the computer and play as long as i dont break a node?
00:54 Uberi jordan4ibanez: to answer your question, use "replacements = {'bucket:bucket_lava', 'bucker:bucket_empty'}" or something like that in the craftdef
00:54 Uberi alex256: can you paste the contents of your minetest.conf?
00:54 Uberi it's in your minetest installation folder
00:54 jordan4ibanez :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
00:56 jordan4ibanez Sorry, I have a lot of mouths
00:56 alex256 http://pastie.org/7493590
00:57 Uberi hmm, never seen that happen before
00:58 alex256 lol
00:58 Menche looks perfectly normal
00:58 vidplace7 test more mines B-)
00:58 alex256 sure wait on minute lol'
01:00 khonkhortisan I've read about APL, and now I don't want to loop over my array :(
01:01 Uberi khonkhortisan: have you seen any significant APL programs yet? there's a reason they're so rare
01:01 alex256 http://pastie.org/7493620
01:01 Uberi it's because the original programmers have all gone insane
01:01 khonkhortisan I thought that's what happened with COBOL
01:01 Uberi history repeats itself
01:01 khonkhortisan running minetest as root?
01:01 khonkhortisan What if you download a bad mod?
01:01 alex256 yes
01:01 Menche i noticed that too
01:02 Uberi khonkhortisan: puppy linux, he said
01:02 Uberi by default you login as root in that distro
01:02 khonkhortisan Does that not have users?
01:02 khonkhortisan oh
01:02 Uberi it's meant for live cds
01:02 khonkhortisan I have it on my flash drive, I don't run it much
01:02 Menche it logs you in as root?
01:02 alex256 not by default
01:02 alex256 tyes
01:03 Uberi I might be thinking of Slax though, I've used that much more than Puppy
01:03 alex256 same version of everything on another computer works fine so i know its not mine test...
01:04 Exio 1 minute for 6mb over lan
01:06 alex256 i just find it wierd i can run around until i punh a tree or dirt....
01:07 Exio does it segfault? what mods are you using?
01:07 alex256 i can get apples off of trees and eat them but when i try to break a node it crashes
01:07 alex256 no mods
01:07 Exio (and playing with minimal?)
01:07 alex256 yes
01:07 alex256 both games
01:07 Exio do you have the same problem with minetest/common?
01:08 alex256 at 30fps until i try and break a node
01:08 lordcirth puppy still logs in as root by default afaik, but you can su to 'fido'
01:08 Uberi wait wait you're playing the minimal game?
01:09 alex256 i have tried both
01:09 alex256 same result
01:10 Exio what is the output of your terminal? "Segfault"? or what?
01:11 alex256 let me include ...only 64 mb of video memory....maybe that is whats doing it...just wierd i can run aroud with 30 fps and eat apples ...only when i break a node does the game crash...wierd?
01:12 jordan4ibanez should there be a black cauldron you can make with coal?
01:12 Exio i don't think that can be a problem with minimal
01:12 Uberi also it's wierd how the exact same thing works on your other computer
01:12 Exio it works here with 8~ MB <what the bios says> of video memory :)
01:12 alex256 let me download 0.3.1 and see if i have the same results
01:12 Exio ehm..
01:13 Exio 30kb/s IN LAN
01:13 Exio this wireless is awesome
01:21 lordcirth Exio, but your computer is probably allocating RAM to the GPU as well
01:21 lordcirth maybe his isn't
01:21 Exio lordcirth: ?
01:21 khonkhortisan Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo!
01:21 Exio k, this is getting weird
01:21 lordcirth Exio, you said you have 8MB VRAM, but most OS's will assign RAM to graphics as needed
01:21 khonkhortisan If you can understand that...
01:22 Exio lordcirth: ram to the graphics? how would that work? (this is a netbook - btw)
01:23 lordcirth Exio, if you run low on VRAM, most OS's will set aside spare RAM for the graphics card - its a bit slower than accesing VRAM but better than crashing
01:23 Exio i didn't know that
01:23 lordcirth for example, I have a 1GB card but its allowed to take up to 2GB of my RAM if it needs to
01:24 Exio any codename for that? i'd like to search more about it
01:25 Exio and i don't even have a full gb of ram here (1gb - gpu vram - etc)
01:25 Exio -/+ buffers/cache:         70        920
01:26 lordcirth Exio, can't think of/remember what its called - and now that I think about it, I forget the command I ran to find out its assigned 2GB
01:26 lordcirth if you only have 1GB RAM, very little/none might be allocated to GPU
01:27 Exio exactly
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01:27 Exio hi jordan4ibanez
01:27 Exio er, jojoa1997|Tablet
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01:27 Exio "jo<tab>"
01:27 jordan4ibanez hello
01:27 khonkhortisan luajit didn't make it on the jit wikipedia page
01:28 TorpedoSkyline Hey guys, just installed Minetest and I'm having the weirdest issue... I can't create a new world to play in. xD
01:28 TorpedoSkyline Windows 8 64-bit, official build, 0.4.6
01:28 lordcirth TorpedoSkyline, what error msg?
01:28 TorpedoSkyline No error message at all, it just doesn't display it in the list of worlds.
01:28 Deivan In a formspec how I send items to the user main item list?
01:28 Exio perm problems, seems to
01:29 lordcirth TorpedoSkyline, so you hit New, and what happens? nothing?
01:29 Deivan The name main don't is the correct...
01:29 Exio lordcirth: btw, how much ram do you have? :P
01:29 lordcirth Exio, 8GB
01:29 TorpedoSkyline lordcirth, I hit new and it brings me to a place to enter a name and select game. Type in the name and select a game, click create, and it doesn't show up in the list.
01:30 lordcirth Exio, full tower PC, slight advantage :)
01:30 TorpedoSkyline As if I had done nothing.
01:30 Exio i was going to upgrade my desktop to 12gb but the days i was going to went it rain
01:30 lordcirth TorpedoSkyline, what OS?
01:30 TorpedoSkyline lordcirth, Windows 8 64-bit.
01:30 jojoa1997|Tablet Hello!
01:31 Exio TorpedoSkyline: does that happens when you run minetest as administrator?
01:31 lordcirth TorpedoSkyline, oh right sry. run it from cmd so you can get any error messages
01:31 TorpedoSkyline Exio, good question...
01:31 Exio (where do you have minetest?)
01:31 lordcirth Exio, ya I was thinking it might be permissions
01:31 jojoa1997|Tablet I lobe jeija's new minetest costomizer. i have a compiler without the hassle
01:31 TorpedoSkyline C:\Program Files (x86)\Minetest-0.4.6
01:31 Exio yep, that is the problem :P
01:31 Exio run it in a "non-protected" directory
01:31 TorpedoSkyline boom, yep
01:32 Exio like "Personal files" or C:\Games or w/e
01:32 TorpedoSkyline thanks Exio and lordcirth, that was the exactly the problem.
01:32 Exio :D
01:32 lordcirth np
01:35 TorpedoSkyline this is so awesome =D
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01:37 sdzen so why the website change btw people
01:38 sdzen I really liked the green one that was set up
01:39 khonkhortisan the background is one of the submissions for the cloud menu
01:41 Exio j/*
01:41 Exio er
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01:48 StarDancer hey, I was wondering, does anyone know what's needed to make rails and power rails connect visually?
01:49 StarDancer they both appear to chain to themselves, but will not chain to eachother, that I can see
01:49 Exio some patches to the engine, there was some pull requests around for that
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01:50 StarDancer also, can anyone recommend a good code reader? I'm on windows, viewing stuff in notepad, and all of the indents and line returns are jumbled, so it's a great glob of difficult to decypher text
01:50 khonkhortisan StarDancer, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/473
01:50 sdzen so does that justify it?
01:50 sdzen a runner up?
01:50 sdzen :P
01:51 jojoa1997|Tablet StarDancer notepad++
01:51 khonkhortisan It works, it's just not merged.
01:51 Exio StarDancer: notepad++ is pretty good imo
01:51 Exio er
01:52 StarDancer er, what do you mean, khonkhortisan?
01:53 khonkhortisan That commit works perfectly for joining different types of rails. The problem is that it's still a pull request and minetest doesn't do that by default.
01:54 jordan4ibanez in this scenario you cannot walk up the stairs on the plank of wood http://i.imgur.com/qchfFfA.png
01:55 khonkhortisan What is the actual height you can walk up?
01:55 khonkhortisan I assume you'd fall a little before hitting that step
01:56 NakedFury I think the max we can climb without jumping is half a node
01:56 jordan4ibanez you don't
01:56 NakedFury "I think"
01:56 jordan4ibanez since the client detects that there is no collision detection going on under you, it thinks you are falling, and will not run the code to move you upward
01:57 jordan4ibanez this also makes it so you cannot jump, on normal nodes, if you move to the edge, you also experience the same effect with the bug in the client collision detection
01:59 khonkhortisan there are buttons on your shoes and enough of them must be pressed for the jets to activate
02:04 Deivan jojoa1997|Tablet, I already update the workbench.
02:04 Deivan I need eat some...  Cya.
02:04 Deivan AFK
02:05 Exio "A programmer has a problem, so they decided to use threads. Now problems two they have."
02:16 lordcirth Exio, is the Yoda grammar supposed to imply race conditions?
02:17 Exio lordcirth: yep
02:17 Exio other http://xkcd.com/1171/
02:18 lordcirth Exio, ever hear the programmer's version of 99 bottles?
02:19 khonkhortisan every time 'problems' goes the wrong way, just start over (git checkout master)
02:19 Exio nope lordcirth
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02:21 lordcirth Exio, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nPuHip9J
02:24 Exio lol
02:24 lordcirth Exio, is so true tho
02:26 Exio most of those "jokes" are a "true" too :P
02:33 ShadowNinja proller__: do you have screenshots of math mapgen?
02:33 proller__ go to server DEV fractal world
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02:38 proller__ and fly deeep
02:38 proller__ its mandelbox
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02:50 ShadowNinja at -2000 it just stops
02:51 khonkhortisan fractal?
02:52 ShadowNinja math mapgen, mandelbrot I think
02:53 Exio i would like a way to define math-functions with some functions what can "generate" the terrain
02:53 khonkhortisan menger sponge?
02:53 hmmmm hah
02:53 hmmmm make it out of sponge blocks
03:02 hmmmm welp
03:02 hmmmm that was unproductive
03:02 hmmmm i know why proller didn't give a screenshot too, it doesn't look flattering in 2d
03:04 VanessaE bbl
03:04 VanessaE sleep
03:05 Exio wow
03:05 Exio making grass, dirt and stone liquid but with "normal" values to walkable, buildable_to, etc
03:05 Exio => "non blocky world" :P
03:06 Menche you can make liquid non-walkable?
03:06 Menche but the collisionbox would still be a full node right?
03:07 Exio try it, it is.. weird :P
03:07 Menche i remember someone did that with sand
03:07 Exio aw, i'm not the only who is bored? :P
03:07 * Menche starts making a roof out of stone... aaaa it's covering the entire hiiiillll.....
03:08 Exio hehe
03:09 * Menche is swept away in a flood of stone
03:09 Menche what happens when non-walkable liquid dumps on you anyway?
03:09 Exio 00:10:34: ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer digs default:dirt_flowing at (442,17,824)
03:10 Exio Menche: like sand
03:13 Exio i have my inv full of flowing dirt, flowing stone and flowing dirt_with_grass!
03:13 Exio :D
03:14 * Menche starts throwing balls of liquid dirt around
03:14 Exio the problem of having a world of full flowing nodes
03:15 Exio from my normal 200~ FPS
03:15 Exio it went to... 20
03:15 Menche lol
03:15 Menche liquids are that hard to draw?
03:15 Menche or would it be all the calculations for flowing
03:15 Exio no idea really
03:15 Exio maybe the calculations, i'd say
03:16 Menche then finite_liquids is enabled...
03:16 Exio nah, that would make have 2 FPS
03:16 Menche and the continent washes out to sea...
03:16 Exio lol
03:16 khonkhortisan Congratulations, you have unified the world.
03:17 Menche that would be really laggy, all the caves would flow in on themselves
03:17 Exio xD
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03:21 Exio btw Menche, i have liquid_update=0
03:21 Exio it is not like the liquid flowing is limited or so
03:22 Exio it flows at the speed of my cpu :P
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03:24 Exio nuu, my world is getting flat
03:25 Menche you enabled finite_liquid?
03:25 Exio yep
03:25 * Menche goes to try that
03:25 Exio xD
03:25 lordcirth so I made a nuclear gen for Technic
03:25 lordcirth LV
03:32 Exio finally the kernel started working and separated the process in a proper way
03:33 Exio now minetest is using my whole first module, and jackd is in the third :D
03:33 Exio well, not whole, "half"
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03:52 Exio Menche: you were right
03:52 Exio now i have half of the ocean with a dirt/stone/grass/sand "cover"
03:54 RealBadAngel lordcirth, can i see the code?
03:54 Exio a bit more than half :P
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05:36 hmmmm http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/132626/3d-printers-a-border-security-threat-minister
05:36 hmmmm you can print off sheets of ecstasy tablets with 3d printers according to this guy
05:37 Exio lemme print gold and sell it
05:37 mauvebic dibs on 3d-printable meth :p
05:39 khonkhortisan gotta have printer-compatible pellets, that's all
05:40 mauvebic can a 3d printer print a 3d printer?
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05:43 mauvebic apparently so http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page
05:52 khonkhortisan it can print most of it
05:58 mauvebic lol http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/269/6243/original.jpg
06:00 khonkhortisan I never counted the screens
06:00 mauvebic meh, most of my dvd's stopped working years ago lol
06:00 mauvebic and if it aint that, its the 6th or 7th player that breaks down lol
06:09 [0gb_us] Nice. I think the answer is to hack your DVD player to allow you to skip the ads.
06:09 mauvebic aint nobody got time for dat
06:09 [0gb_us] I know, but funny.
06:10 mauvebic with internet speeds today, you can dl faster than sitting through all the unskippable crap lol
06:11 [0gb_us] True. I'm watching streaming stuff quickly right now.
06:11 [0gb_us] At has ads, but they are a lot shorter than those of paid DVDs.
06:11 [0gb_us] *Have
06:12 mauvebic dunno why they go out of their way to make paid dvd's so painful, its like they want people to pirate stuff
06:12 [0gb_us] Yeah ....
06:14 mauvebic i mean, its not like the pirates ever see the warning screens lol
06:14 [0gb_us] I was just talking to my brother about that.
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07:18 MinetestBot GIT: darkrose commited to minetest/minetest: Merge pull request #654 from ShadowNinja/remove_old_makefile 1f42479e0c 2013-04-14T00:18:11-07:00 http://git.io/YmZs3Q
07:23 * VanessaE peeks back in
07:23 VanessaE boo.
07:24 Exio hi wild VanessaE!
07:25 VanessaE hey.
07:38 Exio what's up?
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07:40 VanessaE I am :-/
07:40 VanessaE sleep didn't happen tonight
07:41 Exio got that
07:42 Exio i was playing with my microphone and signing, suddenly 4:40AM
07:42 Exio *yawns* i'm going to sleep soon :P
07:42 Exio (yes, i'm bored)
07:44 VanessaE nnoooooooooo
07:45 VanessaE someone has to keep me company :)
07:46 Exio haha
07:47 Exio VanessaE: make a good(?) crosshair texture
07:50 Exio k, going to sleep, good night
08:10 VanessaE eh
08:11 VanessaE a crosshair?  is that even texturable yet?
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09:43 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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10:32 Calinou hi
10:40 VanessaE hey
10:49 * Calinou almost finished updating minecraft enhanced to 0.4.6
10:49 Calinou added sponge mod support too
10:49 Calinou (fun fact: it looks REALLY ugly without shaders)
10:49 VanessaE I just added a bunch of new stuff in the last couple days to HDX also
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11:06 Deivan Is possible change the face of a node, the image of the face?
11:06 Deivan I need the same for a object in the inventory.
11:09 VanessaE you can either supply a new texture or redefine the node
11:09 Deivan How, I set the image but nothing happen.
11:10 VanessaE you probably named it wrong or put it in the wrong location
11:10 Deivan Well, double checking now...  AFK
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11:11 KikaRz Good morning people
11:11 VanessaE hey
11:11 Deivan Good morning.
11:12 Deivan I use this line to set: item.inventory_image = <image.png>
11:12 Deivan No effect.
11:12 VanessaE no
11:12 Deivan Only work in the nod/tool definition...
11:12 VanessaE inventory_image = "filename.png",
11:12 Deivan Yes.
11:12 Deivan Is it
11:12 markveidemanis inventorycube...
11:12 Deivan <> is a variable.
11:12 Deivan Only a notation...
11:12 VanessaE and tiles = {"another filename.png"},
11:13 Deivan Don't is working here...  The comma is necessary?
11:13 VanessaE yes
11:13 Deivan Hum...  More tests.
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11:15 Deivan Don't is working...
11:16 Deivan item.inventory_image = watch.images_d[1]..","
11:16 Deivan item.inventory_image = watch.images_d[1]..
11:16 Deivan Nothing...
11:16 Deivan item.inventory_image = watch.images_d[1]
11:16 PilzAdam Deivan, paste your whole code
11:17 Deivan Is a single line...
11:17 Deivan :-/
11:17 Deivan I will test without a variable...
11:17 Deivan Moment.
11:19 Deivan I catch the item from item=itemstack:to_table() in a on_use event
11:19 Deivan I tested with a tool and with a node.
11:19 Deivan The next line is item.inventory_image = "a.png"
11:19 Deivan Only this
11:20 Deivan But don't is working.  I am working in the watch mod and this guy make a node for each face.
11:20 Deivan My project is a routine to change the face, but don't is working...
11:20 PilzAdam you want to change the texture of an item at runtime?
11:20 Deivan Yes.
11:20 PilzAdam thats not possible
11:20 Deivan This is my question...
11:21 Deivan Is possible set a annimation to a node/
11:21 Deivan ?
11:21 Deivan And change what animation I need show?
11:21 PilzAdam yes, see the torch in the default mod
11:21 Deivan But the torch don't change the animation at running time.
11:21 PilzAdam but you cant set the animation frame manually
11:21 Deivan I need, well, 12 animations.
11:22 Deivan Or 12 frames.
11:22 Deivan Or I play a frame and wait or a change animations.
11:24 Deivan Hum... Tiles have a name, why?
11:25 Deivan Is the file name...  :-/
11:25 KikaRz Deivan, look out the spam... You are being like me after my big change...
11:25 KikaRz Write everything in one line.
11:25 Deivan I am thinking...
11:26 Deivan I test some codes here if someone have a idea please call me. :D
11:26 Deivan AFK
11:26 KikaRz VanessaE, i love the initial image, of your texture pack (when we enter the game
11:26 VanessaE thanks
11:26 VanessaE I need to update that image though
11:27 VanessaE it shows some old textures now
11:27 KikaRz I love this inventory!!! OMG!!!
11:27 VanessaE :D
11:27 KikaRz so pretty *w*
11:27 Deivan Is a problem if I make a tool as a entity?
11:27 VanessaE Deivan: might be, dunno
11:27 Deivan Well, more tests.  Thanks.
11:27 Deivan AFK
11:28 KikaRz I had to reenter... world wasn't loading
11:28 VanessaE that might have been my fault, I was just uploading some images to my webspace
11:28 VanessaE (I might have been taking up all the bandwidth there)
11:29 KikaRz Ok
11:29 KikaRz now i think its fine
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11:42 KikaRz VanessaE
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11:42 KikaRz If the rollercoaster guy don't talk to me, i'll destroy the part of his rollercoaster, that is in my place
11:46 KikaRz Ok, VanessaE?
11:49 VanessaE hm?
11:51 KikaRz VanessaE?
11:51 KikaRz where are the leaves from the farm?
11:52 VanessaE leaves from the farm?
11:52 KikaRz Yea
11:52 KikaRz :C
11:53 VanessaE I don't understand
11:53 KikaRz Come to.
11:54 KikaRz Come to the server...
11:54 VanessaE coming now.
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12:11 markveidemanis Help with chatcommand:
12:11 markveidemanis /cls, clear the screen
12:17 KikaRz I'm back.
12:20 VanessaE and I'm off to bed
12:20 VanessaE night all.
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13:01 Zeg9 Hi !
13:01 markveidemanis Hello Zeg
13:01 markveidemanis Join 86.158.246.237, were making bas080 a BDay present
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13:29 markveidemanis Hi
13:37 lordcirth markveidemanis, joining for lulz
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13:49 rubenwardy hi all
13:49 paxcoder hey
13:51 KikaRz Hi rubenwardy
13:56 rubenwardy any news?
13:56 markveidemanis YES
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13:57 * Mati^1 hi
13:57 markveidemanis 86.158.246.237 for [0000]
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13:57 markveidemanis [] il tell you what its for when you are on
13:59 KikaRz VanessaE?
13:59 KikaRz server down?
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13:59 [0gb_us] !up vanessae.mine.bz
13:59 KikaRz It said *** Server shutting down
13:59 [0gb_us] Ah. No bot.
13:59 KikaRz :s
14:00 KikaRz Waiting content...
14:00 Octupus Bang Bang
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14:00 KikaRz Hi YoungDerp
14:00 KikaRz Hi Kacey
14:00 Octupus Hi Kacey
14:00 Kacey uugh
14:01 KikaRz DOUGH!
14:01 KikaRz we cant put torches in the air
14:01 KikaRz or server crash
14:01 Octupus Im gonna come back to my guys
14:01 KikaRz msg NickServ Identify kaka1822121
14:01 Octupus If you guys don't mind :)
14:01 KikaRz OMG!!!
14:01 KikaRz :@
14:01 KikaRz damn
14:01 KikaRz damn
14:02 [0gb_us] Time for a new password, I guess.
14:03 [0gb_us] Even if no one saw, this room is being recorded, so ...
14:03 KikaRz 0gb_us, it's fakez :B
14:03 Octupus I like kaka but he is way to old he even shud by be substitute for Real Madrid he. Should be RESERVE
14:03 KikaRz if you type your real password, it appears *******
14:03 KikaRz XD
14:04 [0gb_us] Hmm. I would test that, but I don't want to lose my password ...
14:04 KikaRz just connect you in another tab
14:04 KikaRz and Query
14:04 KikaRz to yourself
14:04 Octupus ***********
14:04 KikaRz *or query to yourself
14:04 Octupus It works lol
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14:06 bas080 Reporting irrelevant(offtopic) post http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83993#p83993
14:07 markveidemanis My server now has no biomes, just grass
14:07 Octupus Where da heck is LAD
14:07 PilzAdam bas080, thats a valid question
14:07 bas080 It is not relevant to the topic tbm
14:08 [0gb_us] Where should he ask then?
14:08 PilzAdam dont be so strictly against offtopic
14:08 bas080 pm, irc , email
14:08 PilzAdam the forum is a communication platform for humans, not for on-topic bots
14:09 [0gb_us] There's no reason to contact him directly. I know a lot of people ignore my pms and emails. And he might not be on  IRC.
14:09 KikaRz bas080, happy birthday :)
14:09 bas080 Ty KikaRz
14:11 Octupus Happy Birthday bas my birthday was last week Sunday :)
14:11 KikaRz mine is 22 april...
14:11 Octupus :)
14:14 bas080 April rules! :)
14:15 KikaRz <3
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14:18 Aggies ello
14:20 KikaRz ello
14:20 Octupus Hero
14:21 lordcirth are textures automatically downloaded from the server if needed?
14:21 KikaRz yh
14:21 KikaRz i think
14:22 lordcirth well, that makes showing mods easier
14:25 markveidemanis lordcirth
14:25 markveidemanis I have finished screwing with the map setting
14:27 lordcirth markveidemanis, good
14:27 KikaRz VanessaE, the 12M21 rollercoaster has been destroyed
14:31 markveidemanis I need a painting mod
14:31 KikaRz Search for it at: forum.minetest.net
14:31 markveidemanis That searchengine is bad, il use google :D
14:32 markveidemanis 6 matches
14:32 markveidemanis Apple store: make me a fire
14:32 markveidemanis No matches
14:33 Aggies lol
14:35 * Aggies goeslooking for Kacey
14:39 * Kacey hands Aggies a spacebar
14:39 * Aggies says it is hard typing sideways
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14:44 Aggies hey kacey i got ror to work
14:47 Aggies lagmeter 25.1
14:47 Aggies seconds
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14:53 Kacey Aggies, you need to switch from XChat to HexChat
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14:53 Aggies k
14:58 KikaRz hey
14:58 KikaRz VNC allow us to graphical support in vps?
14:58 KikaRz https://freevps.us/thread-6334.html
14:59 markveidemanis Who can edit me the mod that allows to paint
14:59 markveidemanis It crashen when i place painted canvas
15:01 sfan5 KikaRz: ye
15:01 sfan5 *yes
15:01 KikaRz COOL!
15:01 sfan5 but its not intendet to use a gui with a virtual server
15:02 sfan5 as that makes it really slow
15:02 KikaRz well
15:02 KikaRz its easier if we use a gui...
15:02 KikaRz well
15:02 KikaRz anyways...
15:02 KikaRz Who knows a 128 MB Ram free vps?
15:02 KikaRz or 256?
15:02 INeedANewNick They don
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15:03 INeedANewNick *don't work well at all.
15:05 sfan5 KikaRz: if you NEED to install a gui on a server to set it up correctly, you don't deserve a vps
15:06 KikaRz Whaaaa????
15:07 KikaRz not that
15:07 KikaRz i don't want to install it on the vps
15:08 KikaRz i just asked.
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15:08 Octupus Hello
15:08 Octupus Hello
15:08 Octupus Anyone remember my ass HMM
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15:09 Kacey who are you?
15:09 Kacey lo
15:09 Kacey lol
15:09 KikaRz LAD = captainLAD
15:10 LAD yea what?
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15:10 Kacey https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/xytest my newest mod
15:10 KikaRz what it ha?
15:10 KikaRz *has?
15:12 Guest90360 would i get baned if i spam?
15:12 PilzAdam sure
15:12 Guest90360 :)
15:13 markveidemanis wanna spam?
15:13 markveidemanis go to #spam
15:13 markveidemanis +i
15:13 markveidemanis lol kicked already :D
15:14 telek If you wanna spam, go to the grocery store!
15:14 markveidemanis lol
15:14 rubenwardy lol
15:14 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7525629 help
15:14 markveidemanis Crash when i place painter pic
15:14 markveidemanis painting:pic
15:15 Guest90360 ok i was dared to do it and im not aloud to back out so ban Octupus for this :)
15:15 Guest90360 .
15:15 Guest90360 .
15:15 Guest90360 .
15:15 Guest90360 .
15:15 Guest90360 .
15:15 Guest90360 .
15:15 Guest90360 .
15:15 Guest90360 .
15:15 Guest90360 .
15:15 Guest90360 was kicked by sfan5: Guest90360
15:15 rubenwardy lol
15:16 Octupus What a lier
15:16 LAD was kicked by sfan5: LAD
15:16 rubenwardy you know what is coming when you see this:
15:16 rubenwardy (4:15:54 PM) mode (+o sfan5) by ChanServ
15:17 telek Yep
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15:17 KikaRz People
15:17 KikaRz who knows a free VPS?
15:17 LAD i do
15:17 telek KikaRz: Google does!
15:18 LAD was kicked by sfan5: LAD
15:19 KikaRz telek, no, he doesn't
15:19 Octupus Please unban lad sfan he was being retarded
15:19 Octupus I will watch him
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15:20 KikaRz COME ON!
15:20 Aggies kacey i'll turn on teamviewer so you can do it k
15:20 Kacey not right now
15:21 Aggies y not
15:21 Kacey i am lagging
15:21 KikaRz Someone, can tell me damn free vps?
15:21 Aggies o
15:21 Octupus sfan5: Can you please unban LAD he was just bored cause no one talked to him anymore
15:21 sfan5 why should I, he spammed
15:22 Octupus He was lonely pleae unban I won't let him do it gain
15:22 Octupus Please sfan5
15:22 PilzAdam Octupus, the reason doesnt matter
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15:24 Octupus One more chance sfan5 or you can ban me instead
15:25 markveidemanis LOL
15:26 sfan5 fuck
15:26 sfan5 that was wrong
15:26 Octupus Why you unban everyone lol
15:26 Aggies dude
15:26 ShadowNinja LOL
15:26 sfan5 i accidently clicked the wrong button
15:26 sfan5 damn you, xchat developers
15:26 Octupus You gonna have to reban all of them?
15:27 Aggies rotfl
15:28 markveidemanis LOOOL
15:28 markveidemanis i will do it if you op ,e
15:29 Aggies wtf
15:29 KikaRz Omg...
15:29 Aggies wht
15:29 KikaRz UNBAN RAFFLE
15:30 Aggies this is hilarious
15:32 KikaRz who can help me?
15:32 KikaRz to register my vps?
15:32 KikaRz i got a problem...
15:33 INeedANewNick I cna help reban them,
15:33 KikaRz INeedANewNick [~rarkenin@unaffiliated/rarkenin]
15:33 KikaRz rarkenin needs a new nick
15:34 Aggies wait kacey y do i need hexchat not xchat
15:34 PilzAdam INeedANewNick, use pwgen to get a new nick
15:34 KikaRz Login You Have Been Blacklisted - Contact Support
15:34 KikaRz o_o'
15:34 KikaRz Really? o_O'
15:35 INeedANewNick Doesn't pwgen just generate strong passwords without any thought?
15:35 Kacey XChat will stop working after a period and then you have to pay to use it
15:35 PilzAdam yes
15:35 KikaRz Kacey, nope
15:35 Kacey HexChat stays free
15:35 Kacey for windows
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15:35 PilzAdam Kacey, only on windows
15:35 KikaRz PilzAdam, nope
15:35 Aggies o when canu do it
15:36 INeedANewNick You see, I'm not just trying to get a random nick. I'm trying to get one that represents who I am.
15:36 Kacey when i get back to my grandma's
15:36 Aggies k
15:36 KikaRz http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/
15:36 KikaRz that helps
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15:36 Aggies which is when it needs to b before noon
15:37 INeedANewNick Something English or based on my real name helps.
15:37 KikaRz Anariaru, this is a good name for you, INeedANewNick
15:37 INeedANewNick But NOT so much that my identity is guessed.
15:37 Kacey afternoon
15:37 INeedANewNick What does Anariaru represent?
15:37 * Kacey hands INeedANewNick a new nick
15:38 Aggies f*** then i can't have it yet because i leave at around noon
15:38 LAD If i fuck up again My firend will pay? what is this an italian maphia no can tlak to him like for fuck sack i do something ban me not him, and if any one should get banned for fuck sack read this it will in lighten your eyes and see what problems other people have other than one little 5 second spam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5616
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15:39 INeedANewNick Unbanned about 13 minutes ago, at it again
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15:39 LAD i did't spam
15:40 Aggies yep it is wierd what they do
15:40 LAD im standing up for a friend that is being persucuted for my actions
15:40 Octupus Stfu LAD
15:40 LAD Octu please i hate seeing people take rage out on people for my actions :(
15:40 INeedANewNick Although I have no authority to enforce this, please calm down.
15:41 PilzAdam LAD, please stop being offtopic
15:41 LAD ...
15:41 INeedANewNick Can we move to a topical channel and discuss this?
15:41 Octupus Just shush its all good now lo
15:41 KikaRz Guys? Who the H*ck can give me a free vps site?????
15:41 KikaRz :@
15:42 LAD im just sad ok guys
15:42 * telek sticks a sock in KikaRz' :@
15:42 Aggies thank u telek
15:42 * KikaRz punches telek because he sticked a sock in her mother.
15:42 telek As to the offtopic-stuff
15:42 KikaRz Go to your room now!
15:43 telek How about a #minetest-chat channel, keep the basic help and sch here and move all our day to day chat to the -chat channel?
15:43 * telek eyerolls and afks to his room :)
15:44 INeedANewNick I think this is a good idea.
15:44 KikaRz telek, this isn't offtopic...
15:44 KikaRz I Need a vps for a Minetest server -.-
15:45 INeedANewNick I think it should still go into #minetest-chat since #minetest is directly about gameplay, modding, etc.
15:45 INeedANewNick You shouldn't take offense for this, it's a valid question, and has something to do with Minetest, just not that closely.
15:45 ShadowNinja but will it just die like -delta -mods and -doc?
15:46 KikaRz Oh my f*ckin god...
15:46 rubenwardy nope, stay in #minetest
15:46 KikaRz Can you please, tell me a site?
15:46 INeedANewNick OK, Freenode OPed me in there for some reason, should I put through the registration?
15:46 rubenwardy ShadowNinja: and -wiki
15:47 rubenwardy http://host1free.com/
15:47 rubenwardy KikaRz ^^
15:47 KikaRz No
15:47 KikaRz That doesn't work.
15:47 KikaRz I can't register... 1 VPS per IP...
15:48 KikaRz and i dont remember mine.
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15:53 PilzAdam Zeg9, could you please stop writing "+1" under every single pull request?
15:53 Zeg9 I will, sorry. I'll remove my useless comments
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16:16 markveidemanis AUTOCORREST CAN GO TO H'ELL
16:16 Aggies yeah
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16:28 alex256 well i have a new respect for minetest seeing it run on a low spec. computer...
16:29 telek alex256: How low spec?
16:29 markveidemanis hi
16:29 Aggies mmmk
16:30 alex256 dell demension 2400 with 32mb radeon video card..
16:30 Aggies k
16:30 markveidemanis I am launching a PAINT challenge
16:31 markveidemanis On 86.158.111.163
16:32 alex256 for some reason it would crash with the intergrated 64 mb card....so i stuck an old drawer pci video card in it and it worked great...
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16:33 Aggies lol
16:34 Aggies fishy fishy
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16:35 alex256 what really is wierd is it runs better with a 32mb radeon than a 256mb radeon...wierd..guess its all about the cpu
16:37 alex256 puppy/old intergrated intel graphics = :(
16:38 ShadowNinja alex256: Minetest was designed for slow graphic cards, that is why it doesn't do so well on better cards
16:38 Aggies fishy mcbites mcbites
16:38 telek alex256: Nice.
16:38 alex256 that is really cool shadow
16:39 telek Lowest I've used it on so far is a 9800+P3
16:39 telek Radeon that is.
16:39 telek Mods can obliterate the 'low end' usage though
16:40 alex256 im am using a radeon 7000 32 mb pci and i get 45 fps...and i think that is freaking awesome
16:40 alex256 2.8 mhz pentium 4
16:42 telek That IS good.
16:42 alex256 i have always disliked intel...but...i have to admit here its pretty awesome at the moment
16:42 RealBadAngel seems like i do have UI crafting guide working again, better than ever
16:43 Aggies i give up
16:43 telek I got either 30 or 60 fps on the 9800 with the basic minetest package way back when. With a decent set of mods it tends to half that fps rating though.
16:43 telek Aggies: ?
16:43 RealBadAngel telek, are u using luajit?
16:43 alex256 yea the pentium is blowing the amd sempron away..
16:43 ShadowNinja 55 pull requests and counting...
16:43 Aggies fishy fishy
16:44 alex256 mcbites lol
16:44 Aggies ha finally
16:44 telek RBA: Nope. At the moment I'm not even running a server. Not sure if it's permissions issues again or what, but my minetest install is now complaining none of the base modules are available when trying to load my worlds.
16:45 RealBadAngel try it then, luajit speeds up all lua code at least 2 times
16:45 telek I'll have to. Very least it might help with the map loading stuff.
16:46 telek FYI dedicated server though
16:46 RealBadAngel it helps overall
16:46 telek So the frame rates are strictly client related.
16:46 RealBadAngel are you on linux?
16:47 telek Also minetest is totally playable over dialup :) And yeah.
16:47 RealBadAngel http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.1.tar.gz  unpack, enter /src folder
16:47 alex256 ^^^^^wow dial up huh
16:47 Aggies yay
16:47 RealBadAngel make, make install
16:47 RealBadAngel then just recompile minetest
16:51 Aggies afk
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16:53 Aggies back
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17:00 alex256 !up 108.237.169.225
17:00 MinetestBot 108.237.169.225:30000 is up (0.488ms)
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17:01 Aggies alex256 is it 0.4.5
17:01 alex256 !up 108.237.169.225
17:01 MinetestBot 108.237.169.225:30000 seems to be down
17:02 alex256 hmm not running from the terminal...wierd
17:02 alex256 no it is 0.4.6
17:02 Aggies to the state of massechuesetts
17:02 jojoa1997|Tablet Deivan
17:03 jojoa1997|Tablet your mod gives me tons of errors
17:04 Calinou Zeg9: can't log in to your server
17:04 Calinou telek: over dialup, one player will congest upload bandwidth
17:05 Calinou alex256: no P4 runs at 2.8ghz
17:05 Calinou one does run at 3.8ghz though
17:05 alex256 yes it does...
17:05 Calinou telek: is good? lol
17:05 Calinou 65FPS constant, view range 128, 256× pack, shaders, 3D clouds, fancy trees, single player with 10+ mods
17:05 Calinou without limiting, 200-300FPS
17:06 Calinou ShadowNinja: it works well on better cards, but you'll be CPU limited most of the time
17:06 Calinou 2600K + 570 both at stock = CPU limited, disabling HT gives more FPS... but also gives sound latency (pulseaudio)
17:07 alex256 well calinou you are wrong i looked at the properties on windows and puppy and on both os's it said 2.8 ghz
17:07 Calinou ghz not mhz
17:07 Calinou 1000mhz = 1 ghz
17:08 Zeg9 Calinou, any debug info?
17:08 Calinou "not allowed to log in" when using a name that isn't Calinou, else, "invalid password" even with the right password
17:08 Calinou try /clearpassword Calinou maybe?
17:08 Zeg9 I'll try
17:09 Zeg9 done
17:09 alex256 ok..calinou it says 2790.59Mhz.....well almost 2.8 mhz lol
17:10 alex256 ghz i mean
17:11 alex256 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
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17:11 Deivan jojoa1997|Tablet, you already tested the line with / adding a \ before the /?
17:12 alex256 Family,model,stepping 15,2,9 (Pentium 4)
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17:13 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
17:13 jojoa1997|Tablet i have been trying everything with that. deivan does your computer work in portugese
17:14 Deivan UTF8...
17:14 Deivan I make a version with ISO and you test it again.
17:14 Deivan Moment.
17:15 jojoa1997|Tablet what is iso
17:15 Deivan Codification ISO8859-15
17:15 Deivan From Windows..
17:16 Deivan I have a alternative...
17:16 Deivan I install in a Windows System and test again.
17:16 Deivan I need some time for it.
17:16 jojoa1997|Tablet ok
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17:19 jojoa1997|Tablet i got stu's armor mod to work with minitest all i need to do is get the workbench working
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17:29 markveidemanis Can someone find me a 16x16 image of mario?
17:29 PilzAdam can someone find a link to google.com?
17:30 markveidemanis IM LOOKING THERE!
17:31 markveidemanis Says: 16x16 image sprite mario
17:31 markveidemanis Also says: 256x256
17:32 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam i got armor working
17:34 jojoa1997|Tablet i just have to figure out how to put it on the player in the inven and also have to make only minecraft armors
17:35 markveidemanis How do i make a palette in gimp
17:35 markveidemanis easy access colors
17:35 Calinou no idea
17:35 Calinou https://startpage.com/do/search?query=how+to+make+a+palette+in+GIMP
17:35 markveidemanis ty
17:36 lordcirth jojoa1997|Tablet, you could have it equip when used, like apples
17:36 jojoa1997|Tablet have what
17:36 lordcirth jojoa1997|Tablet, not sure how you would dequip, but its simple
17:36 lordcirth jojoa1997|Tablet, the armour?
17:36 jojoa1997|Tablet what do you mean quip
17:36 jojoa1997|Tablet as in put on player
17:36 lordcirth yes
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet yes it does that
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet wait for update
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet i just have to get the workbench mod going
17:37 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, I want that you call it "Armor" and not "Armour"
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet and deivan will be seeing why i am getting the error
17:37 lordcirth jojoa1997|Tablet, oh ok. So you're trying to get it to show that it's equipped?
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet no
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet you mean let others show
17:38 jojoa1997|Tablet and it is armor
17:38 jojoa1997|Tablet i just spelt it wron
17:38 jojoa1997|Tablet wrong
17:38 lordcirth " put it on the player in the inven" means what? show in your own inventory
17:38 lordcirth "armour" is the correct spelling
17:38 jojoa1997|Tablet lorcirth do you play minecraft
17:39 jojoa1997|Tablet cause that is what it looks liek
17:39 jojoa1997|Tablet like
17:39 lordcirth no, I don't
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17:39 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, to show the armor on the 3D player use ^ to overlay images
17:39 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam i cant atm
17:40 jojoa1997|Tablet i need to make the textures myself
17:40 jojoa1997|Tablet oh wait you mean on the player entity
17:40 jojoa1997|Tablet it show on there
17:40 jojoa1997|Tablet just not in the inven pic
17:41 Deivan jojoa1997|Tablet, edit the /domb/domb.lua and remove the entire content of the function function DOM_registra_comandos_de_uso_geral()
17:41 Deivan And try again.
17:41 Deivan Leave only the name and the end.
17:41 Deivan Between lines 365 to 504.
17:42 jojoa1997|Tablet i did that but will try again
17:42 jojoa1997|Tablet well i commented out
17:42 Deivan I need compile the game to windows before will test here...
17:42 jojoa1997|Tablet ok now error with farming mod
17:43 Deivan I think you have some wrong in your game...
17:43 jojoa1997|Tablet did the sound format change by any chance
17:43 Deivan :-/
17:43 sfan5 i need a developers opinion
17:43 jojoa1997|Tablet ok what
17:43 jojoa1997|Tablet ;-_
17:43 jojoa1997|Tablet ;-)
17:43 sfan5 "developers"
17:44 sfan5 not you
17:44 Deivan Wow, my server have 1/2 GigaBytes... :-o
17:44 jojoa1997|Tablet actually i am a dev of minitest so technically i am a developer
17:44 jojoa1997|Tablet also i put a wink as in joking
17:44 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam you need to fix your farming mod
17:45 jojoa1997|Tablet it wants a sound not there
17:45 Deivan Farming is working here normal...
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17:45 jojoa1997|Tablet wait i think i have outdated version
17:46 Deivan -.-
17:46 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah it wanted a file that was changed
17:46 Deivan I have RL work to do.
17:46 Deivan AFK
17:46 lordcirth in technic, would you say uranium is around 8x more rare than coal? 16x?
17:47 Calinou lordcirth: look at the code ;)
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17:49 * jojoa1997|Tablet remembers the day when i didnt know how minetest.register_node works
17:49 kaeza hi all
17:50 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam what is the diff between farming for stable and for dev
17:52 lordcirth Calinou, why is clust_scarcity defined as 3 numbers multiplied? is to make gauging the 3d size easier ?
17:53 Guest98024 what did I miss these days?
17:53 jojoa1997|Tablet 0gb.us?
17:54 Guest98024 wat
17:54 jojoa1997|Tablet i get it
17:54 Guest98024 writing with on-screen kb on win is a PITA
17:55 jojoa1997|Tablet the reason none of the mods with sounds work is cause minitest is one of the last mods to load
17:57 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i make a get modpath dofile go to the current dir
18:00 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/origin/master' 01d8c26b5b 2013-04-14T10:58:31-07:00 http://git.io/Kru_OA
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18:02 alex256 i have tried everything i know to enable_pvp but it doesnt work....any suggestions
18:03 jojoa1997|Tablet check the damage box
18:04 alex256 says 0 hp taken after being punched hit with a sword ..the only way i get damage is falling...
18:07 alex256 what .lua file is pvp controlled by....?
18:07 Guest98024 engine
18:07 Guest98024 {{cn}}
18:08 jojoa1997|Tablet Deivan ping
18:09 jojoa1997|Tablet do i get rid of line 6 in DOM/init.lua?
18:09 alex256 where is the lua file that controls pvp and what is it called....l
18:10 markveidemanis Join 86.158.111.163 to see some amazing paintings and mario!
18:10 alex256 help please someone....
18:11 sfan5 Currently online: 40 guests, 11 registered users
18:11 PilzAdam alex256, its not done in lua
18:11 sfan5 :O
18:11 alex256 where then?
18:11 PilzAdam its in src/tool.cpp
18:11 sfan5 c++
18:12 PilzAdam the function in line 159 calculates the damage
18:12 Guest98024 hello adam
18:12 alex256 where is it enable at besides the minetest.conf?
18:12 alex256 enabled..
18:13 PilzAdam what?
18:13 alex256 something  overrides the minetest.conf so defaults are used...where isit and where would it be
18:14 alex256 i mean what is it and where
18:14 PilzAdam src/defaultsettings.cpp is used when minetest.conf setting isnt present
18:14 alex256 thanks :)
18:15 Guest98024 could that be a prob with the new dmg system
18:15 Guest98024 ?
18:15 alex256 where would src be in puppy linux?
18:15 alex256 cant find it...
18:16 PilzAdam how have you installed it?
18:16 Guest98024 alex256: clone from github
18:16 lordcirth alex256, did you install through a package manager?
18:16 PilzAdam (minetest)
18:16 alex256 i installed a .pet
18:16 PilzAdam then you probably didnt get the source
18:17 PilzAdam you need to compile minetest if you change it
18:17 alex256 ok if i get the src would it go in root or filesystem?
18:17 kaeza_ no
18:17 alex256 crap
18:17 PilzAdam and defaultsettings.cpp definetly dont override minetest.conf
18:18 alex256 well i am stuck then...i cant compile for the life of me
18:18 alex256 everytime i try ...i get errors
18:18 sfan5 tell us the errors an we can help you
18:19 alex256 fonts and enabling pvp seem to be the only issues i know at the moment
18:21 alex256 the fonts  are really small and italic and when i put enable_pvp = true in the minetest.conf nothing changes
18:22 alex256 i can change varibles in the minetest.conf but cant change them back...
18:22 alex256 pvp was working then i did enable_pvp  = false and now its stuck like that
18:23 alex256 could it be the 3D_armor mod conflicting with it?
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18:24 Shadowfire Good afternoon people..
18:25 Shadowfire I can not seem to find information about the difference of Sfans / Pitzadam / xyz's versions of minetest builds... can someone point me to a document or wiki that lets me know there differences?
18:26 Shadowfire I am guessing that they add in some of the mods that make them different from stock build... but I am not sure
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18:27 kaeza_ hai Jordach
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18:27 Jordach hey
18:27 kaeza_ how's it going?
18:27 Jordach alright
18:29 jojoa1997|Tablet if i do a get_modpath does that mean the mod is loaded
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18:43 telek ...
18:43 kaeza_ ?
18:43 telek What happened to all the mods formerly in minetest_game?
18:44 jojoa1997|Tablet so...
18:44 kaeza_ common
18:45 telek kaeza: Was that an answer?
18:45 kaeza_ yep
18:45 mauvebic those mods were rounded up at gunpoint and sent to "happy camps" :p
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18:46 kaeza_ https://github.com/minetest/common
18:46 telek WTF
18:46 telek And why isn't the readme in minetest_game set to mention that?
18:47 jordan4ibanez BECAUSE FUCK YOU
18:47 jordan4ibanez Just kidding, that's a valid point
18:47 Hwkiller telek: I think a lot of documentation can be improved, but 1) Anyone can do that; you can help too (I should contribute, but I don't) and 2) Development seems to be going quickly, so changing documentation might be fruitless
18:49 jordan4ibanez hwkiller are you Likwid H-Craft?
18:49 mauvebic cant be, hwkiller seems to be able to spell
18:49 Jordach jordan4ibanez, his english is 2000% better
18:49 Hwkiller What? No.
18:49 mauvebic and hwkiller is coherent
18:49 Hwkiller No idea who that is.
18:49 telek I don't mind the development, it just sucks ass when there's sudden huge changes in what repos you have to pull and nothing in the changelog to flag this for you. Didn't help that I'd apparently still had celeron's .git config in my minetest_game dir from before the 'main' repo tracking changed.
18:50 jordan4ibanez Damn, I want to cuss that guy out
18:50 telek Plus we've been through what, 5 different 'core' moddir changes now in the past 6ish months?
18:50 sdzen the annoying one on the forums?
18:50 Jordach sdzen, correcto
18:51 Hwkiller and from what I hear, there may be another big change right?
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18:51 telek AWESOME. Now I can finally get my server running again.
18:51 Hwkiller all mods going to one directory, then "games" just being definition files?
18:51 telek There's worlds/<worldname>/worldmods
18:51 telek Plus there's games/<blah>
18:51 telek In my case since I'm 'system install'
18:51 Hwkiller e.g., all mods in /usr/share/minetest/mods, and games are /usr/share/minetest/games/*, where * are textfiles declaring which mods that game uses?
18:52 telek I have /usr/share/minetest/games /home/<userdir>/.minetest/games and /home/<userdir/.minetest/world/<worldname>/worldmods all as posssible searchpath settings.
18:53 Jordach ecube, what happened to your server#
18:53 mauvebic thats alot of possible mod paths lol\
18:53 Jordach -#
18:53 ecube what server
18:53 Hwkiller Jordach: yes, it seems messy right now
18:53 telek And yeah /usr/share/minetest/mods as well. I'd stopped using that since they really need to be updated on a case by case basis and fairly rapidly if you're following -git
18:53 jordan4ibanez jordach should cauldrons explode if there is a walkable node above it?
18:53 Jordach jordan4ibanez, no
18:53 Jordach destroy the node above it
18:54 ecube Jordach: what server?
18:54 jordan4ibanez destroy it WITH AN EXPLOSION
18:54 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1991
18:54 Jordach ecube, ^
18:55 ecube oh
18:55 ecube ran out of resources for that one
18:56 ecube and personal time as well
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18:56 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan4ibanez i am adding your cake mod to minitest
18:56 mauvebic with the upcoming mt-porn mod, players can combine personal and playing time
18:56 ecube I look forward to it
18:57 mauvebic :p
18:57 telek jojoa1997|Tablet: So you can have your cake and eat it too? :D
18:57 alex256 .....i figures out why enable_pvp = true wasn't working.....conflict with the 3d_armor mod ...
18:57 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan is that ok
18:58 telek New use for the kinect: tracking your joystick for all your 'hardcore' gaming.
18:58 alex256 oh well no armor until someone updates it to work with 0.4.6
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18:58 telek alex256: Changes in how damage stuff works again?
18:59 telek Y'know it may be time to do some sort of flatfile or prebake for texture generation/loading.
18:59 alex256 armor doesn't work with the latest build. no pvp...
18:59 telek I've been waiting the past 2-3 minutes for the textures to preload.
18:59 alex256 without armor pvp :)
19:00 mauvebic telek compile all your mods should speedup load time
19:00 telek mauvebic: For client-side loads?
19:00 telek I thought all the texture stuff once loaded was handled by the server proper.
19:00 mauvebic oh youre connecting to someone else's server? nevermind
19:00 telek Dedicated server.
19:01 telek Not the in-client server.
19:01 telek And seperate computers, so yeah that isn't lagging it :)
19:01 mauvebic naw textures will take however long it takes to load, not much to be done about that other than to downscale or trim the fart
19:01 mauvebic *fat
19:01 * telek nods.
19:01 alex256 what is a good skin mod i can upload to replace not haveing armor anymore lol
19:01 telek 4 fps atm
19:02 mauvebic jesus
19:02 mauvebic what does the server run?
19:02 telek Y'know I think it's running in software rendering mode.
19:02 alex256 lol
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19:02 mauvebic that wont help lol
19:02 ShadowNinja alex256: player_textures
19:02 alex256 thanks ! armour is broken lol
19:03 alex256 adding now Shadow
19:03 telek mauvebic: Nope doesn't appear that's what's happening.
19:03 mauvebic so its slow for another reason
19:03 telek I'll try moving from where I am.
19:03 telek It could be the giant pillars of stone all around me and the 30+ different textures :)
19:04 mauvebic the more complex nodeboxes do slow things down abit
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19:04 mauvebic but hey no one wanted native angles and curves so lol
19:04 alex256 shadow do you have a link?
19:05 khonkhortisan If I want to make a box, I don't want it to have inside faces
19:05 mauvebic yeah that was a problem when i tried to make replicators (from star trek)
19:06 telek Ideally either irrlicht needs to get an ogl 3.3/4.x renderer or we need a second client project for more advanced features (The hardware tesselation features and some of the related newer tech have provisions for generating lots of copies of complete meshes.)
19:06 mauvebic (having different inside and top texture)
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19:07 jordan4ibanez Nakedfury are you going to let this pile of poop do this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83175#p83175
19:08 telek Given how much of what's going on in minetest is duplicates of identical objects, it should be possible to have a graphics engine that would have negligible cpu/gpu load even with a massively complicated series of blocks visible.
19:08 telek That's odd
19:08 NakedFury I am converting torches: http://i.imgur.com/4jwPC.png  they are a lot and its not easy to do the stupid wall torches part
19:08 telek Was 4 fps before
19:08 telek Now it's hanging around 30 with nothing more than a relog :D
19:08 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, were is the free windows version? http://youtu.be/q8BLWISYESI
19:09 jordan4ibanez It was reactos, a free shit os
19:09 jordan4ibanez pilzadam! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/657
19:09 PilzAdam need to sleep; bye
19:09 jordan4ibanez nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
19:10 jordan4ibanez trees should check that the group soil is below it when you place it, if not, don't place
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19:12 * Jordach experiments with web stuff
19:13 Jordach several 502's == 503 after enough F5
19:13 Calinou 502, the error of the minecraft forum since 2011®
19:13 * Jordach is disliking nginx
19:13 mauvebic thats an asp/php error isnt it?
19:13 Jordach mauvebic, somewhat
19:14 mauvebic yeah, i think i remember those, dont miss it though lol
19:14 Jordach the site works, but breaks every time
19:14 Jordach ...when you damn need it
19:14 mauvebic why would you need MC forums?
19:14 Jordach mauvebic, i dont
19:14 Jordach 8/10 tabs is a 502 Gateway Error
19:15 mauvebic anyone here old enough to have programmed with perl/cgi? fun days lol
19:15 Calinou people still do that today
19:15 Calinou cube_art is made in perl :D
19:15 mauvebic though with cgi you could write the website backend in c/cpp, though i never tried
19:15 Calinou and some texture pack converter (no longer needed as of minecraft 1.5)
19:16 Jordach Calinou, yes we do
19:16 Jordach a automated renamer
19:17 mauvebic naw the textures are split now
19:17 Jordach ugh. Error 503 Service Unavailable
19:18 mauvebic all we need now is an MC mod converter, same some people the trouble lol
19:19 Calinou MC world converter would be nice
19:19 Calinou the anvil format is publicly documented
19:19 mauvebic hmmmm is doing that
19:19 Calinou :O
19:19 Jordach Calinou, Steam now works on Nvidia driver Version current (latest updates) might run TF2
19:19 mauvebic you didn't see?
19:19 Calinou Jordach, always worked for me :P (313.18)
19:20 Calinou I'm on my netbook right now
19:20 Calinou mauvebic, no
19:20 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=81504#p81504
19:20 Calinou _classic_
19:20 Calinou talking about the full game
19:21 Calinou we could do some progress by adding all minecraft blocks and items first with a mod, with textures :P
19:21 mauvebic i know nothing about MC lol their maps have incompatible formats? lame
19:21 Calinou it is a requirement, not "lame"
19:21 Jordach Calinou, NVIDIA 304.88
19:22 Calinou classic > chunk file (infdev?) > MCRegion (beta 1.3: 2011-02-22) > anvil (1.2: 2012-03-01)
19:22 mauvebic i think weve converted enough MC stuff for one cycle lol
19:22 VanessaE hi all.
19:22 Jordach hey VanessaE
19:22 Calinou hi
19:22 Calinou mauvebic, maps are converted if needed
19:22 Calinou but if you want to convert a chunk file map to anvil, you can't, you'll need to convert it to mcregion first :P
19:22 mauvebic naw i meant concepts, appearances and functions lol
19:23 telek We need a DF to MT converter!
19:23 VanessaE hey
19:23 * telek waves!
19:23 Calinou lol, nope
19:23 Calinou cube(2) to minetest :>
19:23 Calinou actually, for cube/assaultcube maps it wouldn't be too hard
19:24 Calinou but you need to understand the map format
19:24 telek Because they're already voxel based?
19:24 mauvebic well if the maps are binary i may be able to help
19:24 VanessaE ok time to fix sfan5's fuckup :-)
19:24 Calinou telek, no, heightmap based
19:24 Calinou you can't make room-over-room, only with mapmodels that have collision
19:25 Calinou still better than in doom :D
19:25 Calinou mauvebic, if you wanted to do that one day, use assaultcube as a base, not cube, cube is dead
19:25 Calinou they are binary
19:25 mauvebic neither game is known to me :P but the math i do know at least lol
19:25 ShadowNinja VanessaE: +bbbb <CopyPaste> repeat, much faster
19:25 mauvebic lol who are you ip-range blocking?
19:26 VanessaE ShadowNinja: no way, lots of redundant entries in the list.
19:26 telek calinou: Ahh intresting
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19:26 mauvebic ahh, markv
19:26 ShadowNinja The banlist got cleared, VanessaE is re-banning everyone that was banned
19:27 mauvebic who would clear the banlist? things have been so civilized around here lately
19:27 VanessaE mauvebic: sfan5 did by accident
19:27 VanessaE I'm restoring a subset of what was cleared off.
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19:27 Calinou permanent bans are never a good thing
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19:27 Calinou clearing them from time to time is fine
19:28 VanessaE Calinou: he said it was unintentional.
19:28 Calinou (unless the person in question is just spamming or a bot)
19:28 mauvebic tweak the bot to do autobans: use all caps, that's a pladdlin', check your server status 3 times, that's a paddlin, etc.
19:28 Calinou still :P
19:28 john_minetest Make the ultimate AI that detects spammers on join ;)
19:28 mauvebic how do you know he/she is spamming if theyve just joined?
19:29 mauvebic does freenode have a public blacklist?
19:29 VanessaE ok, that should cover it.
19:29 VanessaE there's about half a dozen additional ones I didn't restore, figured they're obsolete by not.
19:29 VanessaE now*
19:30 john_minetest Detecting spammers on join isn't a problem for an advanced AI. It just KNOWS it. At least if it is programmed well ;)
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19:30 john_minetest Or if it has got a connection to Chuck Norris...
19:30 mauvebic true but up until just lately the bot couldn't recognize mod == Mod so dont hold your beath :p
19:31 ShadowNinja A nice feature would be a ban description, so you can go through the list and see witch ones are obsolote
19:31 ShadowNinja An IP address isn't terribly helpfull
19:31 john_minetest I think with a good channel bot you could do like !ban <name> 1h and the bot does this.
19:32 mauvebic 1h? so they surf porn and come back do the same antics? lol
19:32 Calinou there's a "why" command with chanserv that allows using ban reasons, AFAIK
19:32 khonkhortisan ERROR FROM LUA: C++ exception
19:33 Calinou ERROR FROM C++: Lua exception
19:33 Calinou :-)
19:33 ShadowNinja john_minetest: my bot can do that
19:34 khonkhortisan oh I see what I did wrong
19:41 john_minetest I can't see a reason for trolling and spamming. The only reason would be boredom. But why don't they play minetest then?
19:42 khonkhortisan EEW special_tiles can have {image, backface_culling, animation} or {name, backface_culling, animation}
19:42 Calinou because minetest is boring too
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19:43 Calinou European Evidence Warrant, khonkhortisan? :D
19:43 mauvebic what happens to evidence collected outside of europe?
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19:44 khonkhortisan compare default:water_flowing with default:water_source
19:46 Hwkiller hmm... new animals mod isn't working; says I don't have "luatrace" anywhere
19:46 Hwkiller and I don't; not sure why
19:48 Hwkiller there are no arch packages that provide "luatrace"
19:48 Hwkiller wtf
19:48 sdzen hmmm
19:49 mauvebic did you check with pacman or packer?
19:49 sdzen the animals mod has been very, non functional as of late
19:49 Hwkiller mauvebic: I checked with pkgfile
19:49 Calinou simplemobs ftw!
19:49 Calinou it even has 3D models now :3
19:50 Hwkiller pkgfile -r -s '.*luatrace.*'
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19:50 sdzen it have proper methods of spawning?
19:50 Calinou yes?
19:51 sapier mobf tries to load luatrace?
19:51 sdzen yes
19:51 Hwkiller es, sapier
19:51 Hwkiller yes*
19:52 mauvebic not finding any info on luatrace pertaining to arch
19:52 sapier argh ... it shouldn't in released version
19:52 mauvebic im guessing its not much in demand
19:53 sapier luatrace is quite tricky to use ... I'll uptate version to disable again
19:53 jordan4ibanez Say I want to remove a space, and the number from an itemstring
19:53 mauvebic my wife wants those spinny doors you get in big office towers lol
19:53 jordan4ibanez "test:item 42" how would I go about that?
19:53 Hwkiller sapier: that might be why actually; I'm trying to use 2.0.81
19:53 jordan4ibanez to just get "test:item"
19:55 mauvebic zimg down for anyone else?
19:55 sapier if you have git try 2.0.82 if not wait 5 min till I update download link
19:56 Hwkiller sapier: also, is the whole "can't harm mobs" issue officially fixd yet?
19:56 Hwkiller I was using a workaround posted in the thread for a while
19:56 sapier yes
19:56 Hwkiller awesome
19:57 sapier currently there are no known bugs but it's still a prerelease I'm going to release next stable version end of april
19:57 sapier current stable version is 2.0 ;-) which is quite stable but a little bit outdated
19:59 Hwkiller not sure which I was using
20:01 sapier 2.0 won't work very well with current minetest so most likely you had a development version
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20:03 Hwkiller actually, 2.0.5
20:03 Hwkiller lol
20:03 Hwkiller eek
20:03 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: string.gsub may help you
20:04 sapier ok :-) 2.0.5 is stable but as you have recognized doesn't work fully with current minetest
20:04 mauvebic how to convert nodeboxes to a micronode sytem with coordinates
20:04 Hwkiller sapier: so your mobf2.1.dev branch is up to date though?
20:05 sapier yes it's current development branch
20:05 Hwkiller thanks
20:05 jordan4ibanez Thank you sfan5, I'm needing this so I can organize good "ingridients" from bad ones, and make the cauldron give out good/bad potions based on the inputted ingridients
20:05 sapier and download link in main post is updated to 2.0.82 now too
20:05 Hwkiller installing now.
20:07 Jordach ooh tf2 finished downloading
20:07 sapier did anyone try mobf archers and guards?
20:09 Hwkiller I can test it for you now if you' dlike
20:09 Hwkiller I'm joining my server
20:10 Hwkiller My server is basically a rolling release server :p. on the bleeding edge of any mods and minetest -git builds
20:10 sapier thx ... the more ppl test it the less problems will be in there
20:10 Hwkiller can I just spawn an npc?
20:10 sapier no if you spawn it directly it'll attack you give yourself a item and plaxe it
20:13 sapier you may buy them at trader too ... but you'll have to find a trader house first ;-)
20:13 Hwkiller hm... do mobs spawn in already-generated areas?
20:13 sapier partly
20:13 Hwkiller or would I have to venture way way out to ungen'd area to find a trader :p
20:14 sapier trader won't spawn in generated area
20:14 Hwkiller plaxe it?
20:14 sapier you can spawn a mob by "spawnmob" or by item
20:15 sapier you can spawn a trader by spawnmob too .. but it won't have a house then ;-)
20:18 Hwkiller the archer works great; still can't hurt it though
20:18 Hwkiller nvm... apparently my golden sword does no damage
20:18 Hwkiller my diamond pickaxe works fine
20:19 sapier hmm maybe groups still aren't correct
20:19 sapier plz write an issue mobf is too big for me to test everything prior releasing
20:20 Hwkiller is there a way to test whether it's mobf's fault or if it's moreore's fault?
20:20 sapier try tools from default if they do work it's most likely a moreores bug
20:21 Hwkiller looks like it's a moreores bug
20:21 Hwkiller damn
20:21 Hwkiller golden swords look badass, but they are worthless
20:22 sapier most likely groups ar set wrong for them
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20:24 Calinou thexyz, idea, why not create a "Skins" forum where people can post player skins?
20:24 Calinou (and link to some mods that let people choose their skin too)
20:27 Hwkiller hm, I need to look at what all you can make in the default game :p
20:27 jordan4ibanez When I do this string.gsub(input_string2, ("%d+"), ("")) it gives out /000 at the end of the string >.<
20:27 Hwkiller steel, diamond, mese swords? what else?
20:27 Hwkiller also, I wonder if I can change the groups myself in the moreores mod
20:27 sapier I assume you can :-)
20:28 mauvebic bizarre, my wife was teleported away randomly, when she came back, the server crashed (debug no help)
20:28 Calinou Hwkiller, there are six tool sets in the default game, from worst to best: wood, stone, steel, bronze, diamond, mese (the last two are the same in terms and speed and durability)
20:29 Calinou fun fact: a mese axe also mines dirt very well, mese shovels mine wood very well too
20:29 Calinou :<
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20:29 mauvebic i find shovels and axes to be a bit superfluous when the pick does the job all the same
20:29 sapier yea and even hand mines dirt almost as good as wood shovel
20:30 Calinou >wood tools
20:30 Calinou >useufl
20:30 Calinou >useful*
20:30 sapier I assume groups require some balancing
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20:30 sapier the only wood tool usfull is wood pickeaxe to get enough cobble to build a cobble pickeaxe
20:30 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest_game: README.txt: Note requirement of common mods 76398aac4a 2013-04-14T13:28:40-07:00 http://git.io/J4mjuA
20:32 Hwkiller Calinou: bronze is in the default game?
20:32 Hwkiller how
20:32 Calinou yep
20:32 Calinou since feb 2013 or so
20:32 Calinou Hwkiller, look at creative inventory
20:32 Hwkiller I've seen bronze via moreores (copper + tin), but I haven't seen bronze otherwise
20:33 Calinou bronze is no longer in more ores
20:33 * Calinou needs to fix more ore one day
20:33 Calinou only two ores will be exclusive to moreores: mithril and silver... would give little use to moreores alone
20:34 Hwkiller hm... maybe my moreores is out of date then
20:34 Hwkiller I still find copper/tin from moreores
20:34 mauvebic add, well, more ores :p
20:34 mauvebic theres no shortage of rare earths
20:34 Calinou I could just drop moreores, a lot of other mods add ores
20:34 mauvebic exactly, one mod for every 1-2 ores added
20:35 khonkhortisan eew again. minetest.register_ore adds tile_images, not tiles
20:35 Calinou copper-iron-mese-coal-diamond, 5 ores ought to be enough for everybody
20:35 VanessaE nnooooooooo
20:35 mauvebic a good ore mod would add at least a dozen or more realistic ores
20:35 Hwkiller Calinou: so how does one find bronze in the default game, smelting copper?
20:35 Calinou yep
20:35 Calinou realism at its finest
20:35 Calinou VanessaE, or merge in moreblocks if there's only two ores to add ;)
20:36 VanessaE Calinou: naw, feature creep.
20:36 Hwkiller so I could likely just rm moreores, except that any copper from that mod will be "Unknown" now eh?
20:36 VanessaE keep them separate I think.
20:36 mauvebic well it would be easier to have lots of ore than to remember the placement of a limited few to get different crafts outputs
20:36 Calinou Hwkiller, yes
20:36 VanessaE or, have RealBadAngel merge the remains of Moreores into Technic mod.
20:36 Calinou there's a mod by pilzadam that allows replacing unknown nodes
20:36 Calinou would work too
20:36 Calinou (but remove tin, as it is now useless)
20:36 Calinou since you just smelt copper to bronze
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20:37 Hwkiller Calinou: what's the recipe for bronze then?
20:37 Calinou smelt copper lumps?
20:37 Calinou in default, not moreores
20:37 Hwkiller I just get copper ingots
20:38 VanessaE naw, keep tin
20:38 VanessaE I use it in homedecor.
20:38 Calinou ah, right
20:38 khonkhortisan Does lua have pointers so I can do function(variable) instead of variable = function(variable)?
20:38 Calinou steel ingot + copper ingot makes bronze
20:38 Hwkiller ah
20:38 Calinou in any pattern
20:38 VanessaE Calinou: which is stupid.
20:38 sapier no lua doesn't have pointers
20:38 Calinou this isn't real life :D
20:38 VanessaE it should have remained as tin+copper.  steel+copper is just nonsense.
20:39 Calinou tell pilzadam to add tin then :P
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20:39 Calinou hi Octupus
20:39 Octupus Hero
20:39 khonkhortisan Your response shows the nonsense, even to someone that doesn't know how to make bronze in real life
20:39 sapier but why do you think you can't do a "do function(variable)"
20:40 Calinou :o TIL one can craft furnaces with smooth stone
20:40 khonkhortisan I want to shorten lines like this: "thing.special_tiles[stile].image = prepareimage(thing.special_tiles[stile].image)"
20:40 sapier great ... minetest just froze my mouse again
20:41 Calinou wireless ftw
20:41 Jordach Calinou, group:stone ftw
20:41 Calinou yeah
20:41 Calinou so mossy cobble could be used too, I guess
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20:45 VanessaE there should be a separate group for cobble-like materials if there isn't already.
20:45 Calinou yeah, cobble group
20:45 VanessaE cobble, mossy cobble, desert cobble if using the mod that provides that.
20:46 Calinou and brick group maybe (brick/stone brick)
20:46 VanessaE yeah.
20:46 mauvebic ugh, liberals set to elect Justin (Ken Doll) Trudeau as party leader
20:47 VanessaE I could see that being useful MAYBE.
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20:47 thexyz khonkhortisan: tables
20:47 thexyz khonkhortisan: tables are always passed by reference
20:48 khonkhortisan So I need a table that has a reference to an element in another table
20:48 ssieb VanessaE: Pnuematic tubes won't connect to a chest.  And I just pulled the latest from git to make sure.  Any idea what might be wrong?
20:49 thexyz khonkhortisan: no, you can just prepareimage(thing.special_tiles[stile]), function prepareimage(t) t.image = …
20:51 VanessaE they work fine here.  do you have some other mod installed that is redefining the chests?
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20:52 thefamilygrog66 howdy
20:52 VanessaE hey tfg
20:52 Jordach thefamilygrog66, youre lrfurn mod is awesome
20:53 VanessaE ssieb: and are you sure you're using the regular default chest and not some other kind that looks similar?  (on my server there are like 10 different kinds of chests, not all of which will connect to a tube)
20:53 thefamilygrog66 hey thanks Jordach - glad you like it
20:53 ssieb VanessaE: as far as I know it's the default one
20:54 VanessaE ssieb: you probably should check again, see if anything is redefining them.
20:54 ssieb I'll check the other mods to see if there's anything
20:54 thefamilygrog66 I have a licensing question...
20:54 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: yes?
20:54 thefamilygrog66 I'll quote what I already wrote, cause I don't feel like typing it again, haha - one sec
20:55 thefamilygrog66 As an aside, I'm not sure what to do at this point regarding license, since I basically started with an animated gif of a real lava lamp that someone had put online, removed most of the frames, cropped it, reduced the size and resolution, and then added each frame to the .png file (along with my base and top, which is just plain black).  Does anyone know whether I'd still need permission from the person who uploaded the ori
20:55 INeedANewNick Yes, AFAIK.
20:55 thefamilygrog66 since I've changed it so much?
20:55 VanessaE you would still need permission, unless the license of the animation is already open
20:56 thefamilygrog66 I was kind of afraid of that
20:56 [0gb_us] The client can specify graphics in the form of a graphics pack. Can the client specify sounds too?
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20:57 Jordach INeedANewNick, how about beerinator for a nick?
20:57 [0gb_us] ...
20:58 INeedANewNick I'd prefer not to allude to anything with alcohol.
20:59 Jordach Calinou, why does moreblocks make wood blocks rotate?
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21:00 thefamilygrog66 this is a guess 0gb, but since there is a textures folder but not a sounds folder, I'd guess not
21:00 VanessaE Jordach: that was sorta my idea.
21:00 VanessaE to allow one to align the wood grain in a desired way
21:00 Jordach VanessaE, so when did you become Calinou?
21:00 [0gb_us] I figured as much. Both on the sounds and on the rotating wood.
21:01 [0gb_us] She's alwayse been Calinou.
21:01 [0gb_us] *always
21:01 VanessaE hah
21:01 [0gb_us] She just posted in the wrong client window, and exposed her secret. Oops!
21:02 ssieb VanessaE: ok, so the tubes don't connect to locked chest, only normal ones?
21:02 VanessaE ssieb: I believe so, yes.
21:02 ssieb ah :-(
21:02 VanessaE because then just anyone could dump stuff into your locked chest, or potentially take it out
21:03 ssieb true, it would be handy to have identification on more items...
21:04 ssieb the locked chest has the same texture with the openings on the side though :-)
21:04 VanessaE ah heh
21:04 VanessaE well that's a minor bug in pipeworks then :)
21:04 VanessaE I'll see later if I can fix that issue
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21:04 jojoa1997|Tablet I am almost done with minitest 1.2
21:05 VanessaE home decor updates today:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84109#p84109
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet how would i check for the creative setting
21:06 thefamilygrog66 yay, smart glowlights!
21:06 [0gb_us] Does plant_lib or poison_ivy depend on default?
21:07 VanessaE plants_lib does I think.
21:07 [0gb_us] Hmm. Too bad then. I was going to use it in a non-default world.
21:08 jojoa1997|Tablet how would i check for the creative setting
21:08 thefamilygrog66 I found the original animated gif again - it's on a site called "Gifninja", which is really sparse and doesn't seem to have any kind of licensing info on it...
21:08 thefamilygrog66 http://gifninja.com/animated-gifs/333797/lava-lamp
21:09 [0gb_us] No licence means the user gets no rights.
21:09 Calinou Jordach, wood rotates because you can change the direction of the stripes
21:09 thefamilygrog66 "the user" as in the person who uploaded it to the site?
21:09 [0gb_us] No, the person downloading it.
21:09 thefamilygrog66 d'oh
21:10 thefamilygrog66 I guess I'm gonna have to fire up one of my old lava lamps and film it then...
21:10 [0gb_us] Sorry.
21:11 jojoa1997|Tablet can an if statement be local
21:12 [0gb_us] No, that wouldn't make sense.
21:12 ssieb VanessaE: It's not really a bug in pipeworks and I wonder how you could fix it.  The problem is that both chests use the same texture...  Is there some way to redefine the node?
21:12 VanessaE Calinou: it might be prudent to always place the wood (slabs too) at a specific facedir and let the user rotate them with the screwdriver.
21:12 ssieb maybe filters could have ownership so only the owner could specify what can go in or out of the chest?
21:12 VanessaE ssieb: yes, there is.  In fact I thought I was already doing that, but I suppose not.  Maybe someone can submit a separate set of textures to minetest_common for locked chest sides/top/bottom
21:13 VanessaE that's a possibility
21:14 [0gb_us] Or, pipeworks can reregister the unlocked chest, and use the texture with a different name.
21:14 Hwkiller -200 now. :)
21:14 thefamilygrog66 hey, on a related licensing note: what about the usage of nyancat in minetest?
21:14 Hwkiller found another lava-fall
21:14 khonkhortisan If print() adds newlines, and io.write() io.flush() doesn't, and io.output() resets the output, how do I not forget where the terminal is to write to it?
21:14 jojoa1997|Tablet how can i figure out where a missing texture is coming from
21:14 VanessaE I thought about that, [0gb_us] but I am not sure if that's such a good idea.
21:14 khonkhortisan file search the texture?
21:14 VanessaE better to have the locked chest use a different set of textures - maybe the locked chest could be drawn with metal bands around it?
21:15 jojoa1997|Tablet it is a missing texture
21:15 khonkhortisan if it's written in one string you can find it
21:15 [0gb_us] It's a better idea than putting more images in common for things that are SUPPOSED to look the same under normal conditions.
21:15 VanessaE in fact, maybe someone can do that.  I'm not inclined to bother because my pull request will just be ignored anyway.
21:16 [0gb_us] Well, I pretty much gave up, so I don't really care any more, but it seems like by default, only the lock needs to look different on the default locked chest.
21:16 [0gb_us] Yeah, as are mine.
21:16 khonkhortisan haha terminal = io.output() ... write files ... io.output(terminal)
21:16 ssieb yes, but bands or something would actually be nicer
21:16 VanessaE ssieb: yes.
21:17 VanessaE a locked chest should be wrapped in thin steel bands - after all you need a steel ingot to make one anyway, and a whole ingot seems like almost too much metal just for a lock and shackle.
21:17 [0gb_us] It seems like a hacky way to get out of reregestering the unlocked chest, if you ask me.
21:18 VanessaE [0gb_us]: if I re-define the chest, I could potentially cause a problem later e.g if the default chest code needs some radical change.
21:19 [0gb_us] Don't alter the whole chest. Copy the chest from the registered items array, retexture it, and reregister it.
21:19 VanessaE redefining it is more hacky than simply giving it its own textures
21:19 [0gb_us] Not if you do it right.
21:19 [0gb_us] See the above post. Non-hacky, and forwards compatible.
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21:21 otak Hi, where can I put a mod to be only used by one world?
21:21 Calinou worlds/world_name/worldmods
21:21 [0gb_us] worlds/<world name>/worldmods/<plugin>
21:21 otak thankyou very much
21:21 Calinou e.g. ~/.minetest/worlds/my_world/worldmods/moreblocks/init.lua
21:21 thefamilygrog66 is the image of nyan cat wtfpl?
21:22 Calinou we remade it
21:22 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: cc-by-sa 3.0
21:22 VanessaE (the one that's used in the game these days)
21:22 thefamilygrog66 ah, ok
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21:24 jordan4ibanez now you can define items to be used in the cauldron, good or bad
21:24 [0gb_us] Didn't you draw it, VanessaE?
21:24 [0gb_us] Never mind, I'll look at the README later. I've got to go.
21:25 VanessaE [0gb_us]: yes.
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21:32 khonkhortisan I think my inventory texture corruption was caused by irrlicht 1.8
21:39 mauvebic i think i have a basic design for a multi-part/node coal-fired steam engine.... not that the ship will actually move though :S
21:40 lordcirth khonkhortisan, I had inv texture corruption, it went away when I disabled preloading
21:42 khonkhortisan Mine didn't go away until I went back to irrlicht 1.7.3
21:48 khonkhortisan for _,modname in ipairs(minetest.get_modnames()) do io.write('depends.txt',modname..'\n') end
21:48 jojoa1997|Tablet i have a question
21:49 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i get an image to overlay a list
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21:49 jojoa1997|Tablet with formspecs
21:51 Octupus Guys what's the latest GIT for mt
21:51 khonkhortisan 1f42479e0cad7d93ed9ef1a6f68a995c80e0b178
21:51 Octupus That's loooong
21:52 khonkhortisan why do you ask?
21:52 Octupus In coming back to my
21:52 Octupus My
21:52 Octupus Mt
21:52 VanessaE just look at the Minetest git repository, it shows the current commit id
21:53 khonkhortisan it's minetest/minetest now
21:55 Octupus What's the URL
21:55 Octupus Because everything is changed
21:55 khonkhortisan https://github.com/minetest/minetest/
21:55 khonkhortisan and minetest_game is different too
21:55 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i get an image to overlay a list in the formspec
21:55 Octupus Pop
21:55 Octupus oooo
21:56 Octupus Now I really want the link
21:56 khonkhortisan I stole the games from the official build instead of actually finding them
21:57 Octupus Lol
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21:57 Octupus VanessaE: Can I get a download link
21:57 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest
21:57 Octupus Thank you
21:58 VanessaE go there, find each of the five repositories:  minetest, minetest_game, common, build, survival
21:58 VanessaE click each one.  There is a "Zip" button on each one.
21:58 VanessaE those zip buttons will fetch the current sources for each
21:58 VanessaE compile the server/client ("minetest"), put everything else into (minetestfolder)/games
21:58 Octupus Isn't there an official download link anymore
21:58 khonkhortisan http://minetest.net/download.php
21:59 VanessaE sure on minetest.net there are binaries.
21:59 VanessaE but they're always outdated.
21:59 VanessaE I never recommend the official builds - get one of Pilzadam's, thexyz's, sfan5's or my builds.
21:59 Octupus What is the most common of the 5
22:00 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i get an image to overlay a list in the formspec
22:00 jordan4ibanez is there a way to work with node metadata, only with numbers, like set_bool?
22:00 jojoa1997|Tablet can someone answer
22:01 khonkhortisan Just use common and minetest_game for the older feel
22:01 Octupus Who has the most updated Build?
22:02 Octupus Van,sfan or Adam
22:02 VanessaE Octupus: you need minetest and common, at the very least.  you need minetest_game OR build OR survival depending on your favorite mode
22:02 Octupus Ok
22:02 khonkhortisan jojoa1997|Tablet, have you tried defining them in the opposite order?
22:02 VanessaE not sure who's build is most up-to-date though
22:02 VanessaE whose*
22:02 jojoa1997|Tablet nope
22:03 Octupus Ohh
22:03 Octupus I just wanna start playin on a server again preferably a survival only
22:03 jojoa1997|Tablet still doesnt work
22:04 VanessaE Octupus: then all you need is 'minetest'.
22:04 VanessaE the main repository is enough to get you onto a server.
22:04 VanessaE the other repositories are for the game content, which only applies in singleplayer mode.
22:04 Octupus Who server can I join then :)
22:04 VanessaE mine :)
22:04 VanessaE vanessae.mine.bz
22:04 Octupus :)
22:04 VanessaE :30000
22:05 VanessaE use your old in-game name there, it should still be valid
22:05 Octupus Ummmm I'm in minetest but I can't find the exe
22:05 VanessaE build it
22:05 VanessaE or get pilzadam's build
22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone else got ideas
22:05 Octupus ?
22:06 khonkhortisan bin/minetest.exe?
22:06 VanessaE Octupus:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
22:06 jordan4ibanez when a node is removed, does it's metadata get removed too?
22:06 VanessaE Octupus: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523
22:07 VanessaE Octupus: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4240
22:07 VanessaE Octupus: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5515  <-- Linux only.
22:07 VanessaE try one of those four builds.
22:07 VanessaE one of them will surely work for you.
22:07 jojoa1997|Tablet no one
22:08 Octupus I'm try Adams one
22:08 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: no idea.
22:08 Octupus Because it was the first 1 lol
22:08 khonkhortisan Metadata is node-based, not position-based
22:08 jojoa1997|Tablet wait
22:08 jordan4ibanez WAT
22:08 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i get an image to overlay a list in the formspec
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet sorry wrong paste
22:09 khonkhortisan it's supposedly stored in the node
22:09 jordan4ibanez Now I have to figure out how to transfer metadata from node to node OH GOD
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5605
22:09 sapier are you sure metatable is nodebased?
22:09 khonkhortisan not metatable, that's a lua thing
22:10 sapier I meant metadata ... sorry ... I thought metadata are linked to a specific position
22:10 Octupus Fur I crashed
22:11 VanessaE so try another build :)
22:11 jordan4ibanez It's stored in the node
22:11 Octupus Um. I forgot my mt passwords
22:11 jordan4ibanez when the node is removed, it doesn't get transfered
22:11 jordan4ibanez INTERESTING
22:11 sapier you may access them through the node at that position but a node itself doesn't have any data as fare as I know
22:12 khonkhortisan just pretend get_meta(pos) is doing something like get_node(pos).meta (even though it isn't)
22:12 VanessaE Octupus: you'll have to email the various server admins and ask for a password reset.
22:12 khonkhortisan it wouldn't make sense to transfer metadata to air
22:12 Octupus I just forgot my didn't have password b4 I left lol
22:13 VanessaE just try signing in with a good nickname and make up a password then.
22:13 sapier get_node just gives you what type of node at a specific position is not a reference to the node itself
22:13 Octupus Everyone I'm changing my ingame name now
22:15 Octupus CaptPrice
22:15 VanessaE CaptPrice?  well okay
22:15 VanessaE why not just use your old name?
22:15 VanessaE and if your password doesn't work email the server admin via the forums
22:15 Octupus Let me try
22:16 lordcirth RealBadAngel, mining drill crashed on me: LuaError: error: .../minetest_game/mods/technic/technic/mining_drill.lua:323: attempt to index global 'meta' (a userdata value)
22:18 Octupus Forgot my password dammit
22:18 Octupus Got it YAY
22:19 Octupus Passwords can't handle me :)
22:20 Octupus VanessaE: What's up with the one warnings
22:20 VanessaE warnings?
22:21 Octupus Yea PNG
22:21 mauvebic got more done on the Queen Mary than the titanic lol http://ompldr.org/vaTNqeg/screenshot_178158428.png
22:21 VanessaE no clue
22:21 jojoa1997|Tablet MiniTest 1.2 update excuse the big link but that is direct download
22:21 jojoa1997|Tablet https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/hajo1xxpukccv0e/MiniTest_dev_1_2.zip?token_hash=AAHDaaPNh-DwbHvR0r26t_KlopOf5Nl0T-eW2-aZd4Zi5A&amp;dl=1
22:22 VanessaE Octupus: you using the default textures?
22:22 Octupus Yes
22:22 VanessaE is it that warning about interlaced?
22:22 Octupus Yes
22:22 VanessaE ignore that.  it's harmless.
22:22 Octupus Ok but it's taking long for waiting content
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22:23 VanessaE it takes a while, yeah
22:24 Octupus At the beginning or every time?
22:24 VanessaE turn off preloading item visuals
22:24 VanessaE (Settings menu)
22:24 Octupus To late I'm already connectin
22:24 jojoa1997|Tablet will anyone test this for me
22:25 VanessaE Octupus: initial media load takes up to about 10 minutes because the engine's network stack sucks ass.  An additional 1-2 minutes for the preload visuals code to run.
22:25 VanessaE so give it a while.
22:25 Octupus O
22:26 Octupus That sucks ass the
22:26 Octupus *then
22:28 mauvebic more and more when i look for historical pictures of old buildings what i get instead is pictures of bloody hipsters standing in front of them as they look today :(
22:30 VanessaE bbl, gott arun
22:32 jojoa1997|Tablet can someone make a mod where when you press a button you only throw one iem and not the stack
22:33 khonkhortisan Can lua catch buttons?
22:33 jojoa1997|Tablet tyes
22:33 jojoa1997|Tablet the boat mod does this
22:34 jojoa1997|Tablet and the ufo mod
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22:42 Hwkiller I don't use too many mods; I should find more. This is what I use now: http://pastie.org/private/s5waaupzgxx1ovh3ez07tq
22:42 Hwkiller except farmingp is disabled; it's not working for me
22:42 jojoa1997|Tablet try using a gamemode
22:43 Hwkiller I use survival
22:43 jojoa1997|Tablet i mean game
22:43 Hwkiller oh, you mean like a game mode mod, e.g., civilizatoin?
22:43 Hwkiller er... civilization*
22:43 jojoa1997|Tablet there is dwarves, realtest, minitest, skyblock
22:43 Hwkiller realtest is crazy.
22:44 Hwkiller never heard of the others though
22:44 jojoa1997|Tablet dwarvs is by mito and is really unique
22:44 jojoa1997|Tablet minitest is currently developed by me and it is like minecraft
22:44 jojoa1997|Tablet skyblock is more like a map
22:45 jojoa1997|Tablet it is extreme survival and has objectives
22:45 Hwkiller oh, you're pilzadam?
22:45 jojoa1997|Tablet no
22:45 jojoa1997|Tablet i am jojoa1997
22:46 jojoa1997|Tablet but i am developing minitest
22:50 Hwkiller I kinda thought minetest was supposed to be like minecraft
22:50 Hwkiller so what does minitest offer that's unique?
22:50 jojoa1997|Tablet yes it is like minecraft
22:50 jojoa1997|Tablet try it out
22:51 Hwkiller hm, if I do, I'll also make a systemd unit for it, so that I can say "minetest@JB1.service" and start world jb1; and minetest@minitest.service
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23:03 octobot Hwkiller: like this? http://sprunge.us/DSgS
23:10 jordan4ibanez damn I guess there's no way to do this
23:10 jordan4ibanez I want to have a node keep metadata at a position >.<
23:12 lordcirth jordan4ibanez, you want the metadata to stay at a position regardless of the node that is there?
23:12 jordan4ibanez Yes
23:12 lordcirth jordan4ibanez, what for?
23:13 jordan4ibanez so that a player can't put dig a cauldron to reset it's goodness value, but I think it's a lost cause unless I set the goodness value of EVERY node in the area
23:13 lordcirth jordan4ibanez, cauldron? goodness? what mod is this?
23:14 jordan4ibanez I am making a cauldron for the potions mod
23:14 VanessaE back.
23:14 lordcirth jordan4ibanez, can you attach the data to the item? like technic's batteries?
23:15 jordan4ibanez That's a GREAT idea!
23:15 jordan4ibanez And a much better solution! Stackmax = 1 and the stack of the cauldron has the goodness so you can't cheat no matter where you are! thank you
23:16 lordcirth jordan4ibanez, np :)
23:18 lordcirth jordan4ibanez, can you make something both a node and a tool?
23:19 jordan4ibanez I don't think so
23:19 INeedANewNick lordcirth: You could make it intercept on_rightclick and put down a different node.
23:19 INeedANewNick And when the nodeis dug, intercept that to get a tool.
23:19 lordcirth INeedANewNick, ah! good idea!
23:19 INeedANewNick Thanks. Can you suggest a nick for me, though?
23:20 lordcirth INeedANewNick, well, you said you wanted a nick that suited you, and I don't know u :)
23:20 INeedANewNick Oh, OK. Sorry.
23:20 lordcirth INeedANewNick, although, your current nick is funny and memorable. why not keep it? lol
23:21 INeedANewNick It is a message that I NEED a new nick.
23:21 INeedANewNick Maybe ThisIsANick?
23:23 lordcirth INeedANewNick, not bad
23:23 INeedANewNick Hmmm.
23:23 INeedANewNick Oh, good, didn;t accidentally ping him.
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23:59 sokomine what was your old nick then, ineedanewnick?

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