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00:00 VanessaE exio, I can't tell for certain because the effect is so subtle, but I think it's working...and it isn't causing any appreciable loss of performance.
00:00 VanessaE (somehow, I'm cranking along at 75 fps right now with512px HDX)
00:01 * jojoa1997|Tablet is finally installing a compiler
00:01 Exio VanessaE: apply_blur(d/2)
00:01 Exio replace that with apply_blur(d)
00:01 Exio (for a "weird" effect, but get sure it is working)
00:02 VanessaE checking
00:02 Exio thanks
00:02 VanessaE yeah it's definitely working
00:02 Exio :D
00:03 VanessaE lemme explore a bit, get to a spot that usually kills my fps
00:03 khonkhortisan If you want to kill your framerate, worldedit yourself a menger sponge
00:03 Exio thanks for that stuff, i really need someone who really plays MT for that stuff :P
00:03 jordan4ibanez Does shaders work on latest github?
00:03 Exio (i barely have test-and-raw minetest/minimal worlds)
00:04 VanessaE Exio: I notice that fog doesn't work now.  weird.
00:04 Exio ehm, the fog?
00:04 Exio it should replace the normal fog with a "distant blur"
00:04 Exio as the shader is pretty WIP, but for looking around
00:05 VanessaE yeah for me, that shader basically disables fog
00:05 khonkhortisan distance blur is a well-known compositing effect
00:05 jojoa1997|Tablet geez mingw takes soooooo long to download
00:05 VanessaE *turns shader off*
00:06 Exio haha
00:06 VanessaE yep, fog works fine without the shader
00:06 Exio should it "don't" replace it?
00:06 Exio as keep the fog + blur?
00:06 LostInConfusion I turn fog off in my minetest.conf anyway.
00:06 VanessaE still, it's good to see that someone is working with it :-)
00:07 LostInConfusion I know, I'm just bringing it up.
00:07 LostInConfusion We need to make it work with all configurations, I understand that.
00:07 Exio it is just because that was the easier way to do it VanessaE / LostInConfusion
00:07 Exio first i need a blur working, what i wasn't able to do before
00:08 Exio now to do the real work
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00:08 Exio and don't make it slow as hell, of course
00:08 VanessaE Exio: it didn't cause any noticeable performance loss here
00:08 * VanessaE already restored the default shader for now
00:09 Exio thanks for the feedback :P
00:10 Exio the first working version of the blur made me have 5 FPS ^^
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00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan can you show me the links to installing minetest on android
00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet or make an apk for everyone?
00:21 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/minetest.zip
00:21 RealBadAngel zipped sources of minetest with some nice main menu modifications
00:21 jojoa1997|Tablet RBA what is that?
00:21 RealBadAngel compile and see
00:21 jojoa1997|Tablet for what OS
00:21 jojoa1997|Tablet oh
00:21 jojoa1997|Tablet yay
00:22 RealBadAngel im waitin for opinions
00:22 jojoa1997|Tablet i chose a good time to get a compiler
00:22 jojoa1997|Tablet if only it would download quicker
00:22 Exio lol, download
00:22 Exio where? your tablet?
00:22 Exio then you'll need to install lua and 1000 things, and then use the .exe generated on windows
00:22 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:23 Exio the GPU, but for a lot of mapblocks minetest will be very slow
00:23 jojoa1997|Tablet um WHAT
00:24 Exio what what
00:24 jojoa1997|Tablet well i still want to learn C++ so this will be good later on
00:24 jojoa1997|Tablet what what what
00:24 Exio 'k
00:24 khonkhortisan what what what what
00:24 jojoa1997|Tablet what else do i need to download to compile minetest
00:24 jojoa1997|Tablet what what what what what
00:24 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:25 Exio lua, irrlicht, curl(?), openal, etc
00:25 Exio crackerenherbe: nvidia or ati/amd?
00:25 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:25 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:25 Exio linux or windows?
00:25 crackerenherbe [deleted]
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00:25 jojoa1997|Tablet so could anyone make a download that has all the things in it
00:25 RealBadAngel hi mauvebic
00:25 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/minetest.zip
00:25 Exio ok, i have no idea then, sorry :P
00:25 mauvebic /howdy
00:25 mauvebic wtf lol
00:25 mauvebic *howdy
00:25 RealBadAngel compile above
00:25 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:26 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:26 mauvebic lol check this out: http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/11/moose-dies-after-strolling-through-british-columbia-grocery-store/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
00:26 * jojoa1997|Tablet needs a windows build
00:26 mauvebic only in canada do moose go grocery shopping
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00:31 mauvebic i think i found my next business: exterminator, you know how expensive those guys are? lol
00:31 RealBadAngel so anybody compiled my sources?
00:32 mauvebic i compiled a git version yesterday with luajit-git installed from aur, not sure if same?
00:32 RealBadAngel this one contains rather drastic changes to main menu
00:32 mauvebic screenies?
00:32 RealBadAngel i suggest compiling and see for yourself
00:32 jojoa1997|Tablet yes screnies
00:33 jojoa1997|Tablet RBA i cant compile so screenies please
00:33 RealBadAngel screens will tell you nothin
00:33 jojoa1997|Tablet i know!
00:33 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: you are annoying so what
00:33 jojoa1997|Tablet VIDEO!
00:33 Exio oh god
00:33 mauvebic aside, fewer and fewer mods are posting screenshots lol its hard to tell what some of em do
00:33 jojoa1997|Tablet Exio thank you :P
00:33 Exio RealBadAngel: can you make a .patch for it?
00:33 Exio (as i can't download the whole mt atm)
00:33 RealBadAngel it is so hard to unpack folder?
00:33 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/minetest.zip
00:34 Exio my network is less than 20kbps (yes, kbps) atm :P
00:34 RealBadAngel minetest git wont let me add new files or directiories, dunno why
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00:34 RealBadAngel so i packed whole sources
00:34 VanessaE hey OldCoder
00:35 OldCoder Hi!
00:35 OldCoder Restarting my worlds
00:35 OldCoder There have been some server problems
00:35 OldCoder I hope to straighten them out
00:35 khonkhortisan ^ now _that's_ how you use a cloak
00:35 khonkhortisan no double-joining
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00:36 jordan4ibanez realbadangel you should just make technic a game mode
00:36 khonkhortisan same for mesecons :)
00:36 jordan4ibanez Mesecons is one mod, technic is many
00:36 khonkhortisan then mesecons goes in technic game mode
00:37 jordan4ibanez No..crap? lol
00:37 jordan4ibanez ZOMG https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7cd5eb4c77de9fda4946de7e1c2384d0c2a0253e
00:40 RealBadAngel so nobody tried my changes?
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00:42 khonkhortisan the camera only moves down, it doesn't angle
00:42 jordan4ibanez That's awesome!
00:42 VanessaE see my build thread for an up-to-date build :)
00:43 jordan4ibanez I am building it right now
00:43 LostInConfusion There should be a setting to disable all this camera jerking from falls and damage.
00:43 jordan4ibanez It's called camerabob and I belive there is
00:43 jordan4ibanez you can also set it to double, or is that only for walking?
00:44 LostInConfusion THe camera bob setting disables the bob when walking, but does not disable the damage jerking the camera.
00:45 jordan4ibanez Oh no! CALL THE COPS!
00:45 LostInConfusion The bob when walking is fine, It;s when you get damages the thrash that's the issue.
00:45 mauvebic ooh my wife finished the vineyard while i was asleep lol
00:45 jordan4ibanez Mauvebic! Can you show me how to get the nodes of a mesh?
00:45 mauvebic what do you mean?
00:45 mauvebic oh you mean the boats and ships i do?
00:46 jordan4ibanez I am trying to do a sphere for fireworks, and allow people to make other cool explosion shapes with meshes, but I don't know how
00:46 RealBadAngel i can see new bobbing is better than all the effort i put into main menu additions, pity :P
00:47 RealBadAngel goin to sleep, night
00:47 LostInConfusion No, the bobbling is annoying, and there should be a way to turn it off.
00:47 LostInConfusion What menu changes?
00:47 LostInConfusion Good night.
00:47 jordan4ibanez Oh my this new ducking this is kind of annoying
00:47 khonkhortisan weather mod: rain and snow at the same time
00:48 khonkhortisan it's not supposed to do that
00:48 jordan4ibanez if only we had it so the wield item moved around
00:48 jojoa1997|Tablet LostInConfusion you say every added feature is annoying go play 0.4.3 :-)
00:49 jordan4ibanez ^He's right you know
00:49 jordan4ibanez I think this new ducking thing ducks a bit too much
00:50 mauvebic binvox isn't really suitable for fireworks though
00:50 Exio i see it too low
00:50 mauvebic sorry took so long, ISP crap to deal with lol
00:50 LostInConfusion No, not all nw features are annoying. Most new features are great, but many are annoying.
00:50 mauvebic at this point im forwarding all their emails to my lawyer lol
00:51 mauvebic (gotta be good for something)
00:51 LostInConfusion *new
00:51 jordan4ibanez NO mauvebic, I don't need binvox for fireworks, I need the function that reads the mesh, so I can add entities at the mesh points
00:51 jordan4ibanez particles** not entities
00:52 mauvebic do you have any idea the demands that will place on hardware?
00:53 jordan4ibanez Not very much if I save the mesh points in a global table on start up and read from the table on explosion call
00:54 mauvebic A) binvox doesn't save the mesh points in a global table, otherwise it wouldn't work
00:55 mauvebic B) firing off fireworks (particles/entities) at the edges of those meshes would likely crash your server
00:55 jordan4ibanez Well duh, I need to see the base code so I can change it, just please let me see the code so I can work with it
00:55 mauvebic naw, cuz if i do that, ittl be in worldedit next week
00:56 mauvebic i can license the use to you specifically, if you put it in your header
00:56 jordan4ibanez Okay
00:56 mauvebic aiight lemme zipup my latest
00:56 mauvebic there are 3 functions, you only need the first, the other two are for uber-large meshes
00:59 mauvebic nothing against worldedit, but i get sick of people mocking my mod by calling it that
00:59 Doyousketch2 Exio, I made a patch for you, cuz RBA just left ya hanging there
00:59 Exio Doyousketch2: where is it? :P
00:59 Exio inb4 it adds a system("rm -rf /");
01:00 Doyousketch2 uploading, 1 sec
01:00 Exio thanks
01:00 Doyousketch2 http://wikisend.com/download/304524/RBA.patch
01:01 Doyousketch2 was hoping to use Meld to create patch, but it doesn't do whole directories.  so I used these directions to create it - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9980186/how-to-create-a-patch-for-a-whole-directory-to-update-it
01:04 Doyousketch2 he only had minimal in it.  also, you 'prolly don't want to patch your monetest.conf with it
01:10 Exio ehm, sorry
01:10 Exio but that patch has more than rba's changes
01:10 Doyousketch2 oh?  I thought I used the source dir
01:11 Exio your minetest/ is not very updated :P
01:11 Exio (as it is missing luajit and lots of changes)
01:11 Doyousketch2 eh, the one I'm on is up to date, but it's tweaked
01:11 Exio uhm...
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01:11 Exio idk, i'll download RBA changes later then
01:12 Doyousketch2 you don't want to get a diff of that, 'cuz half the features will 'prolly disappear with cheat-detection
01:12 jordan4ibanez Particles act really weird
01:12 jordan4ibanez They're like a wave, even in for statements
01:12 Exio Doyousketch2: ehm, good for you lol
01:14 Doyousketch2 was kinda sad to hear they're changing it up that way
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01:15 Doyousketch2 can fly, run, walk though walls, dig fast, see in dark, swim in lava with no damage.
01:17 Doyousketch2 gives me more time to make mods and whatnot.  dig into the code instead of the dirt :)
01:18 mauvebic jordan back yet? he wanted sphere code
01:19 jordan4ibanez I already got it from nuke mod
01:20 mauvebic makes sense, i think it might be the oldest sphere code around lol
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01:22 Doyousketch2 does the main menu usually make noise?
01:23 ShadowNinja make noise? No
01:23 ShadowNinja Do you mean playing sound?
01:23 Doyousketch2 oh, that musta been the change RBA was trying to show
01:24 Exio lol
01:25 StarBlessed Hey guys, i was thinking about doing a few tutorial vids about setting up a client on Windows, Linux and a few more about setting up servers etc.  What do you think?  I've not found any decent vids so far, and thought that maybe it would fill a gap :)
01:27 Doyousketch2 yeah, just ran it.  just so you don't feel left out, it plays this tune - http://www.filedropper.com/mainmenu
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01:29 Exio http://www.gamesradar.com/the-evolution-of-water-effects/?page=9
01:29 Exio > Above: Look at that! The water looks real! Oh, were you looking at something else?
01:29 Exio lol
01:30 Doyousketch2 yeah, as far as tutorials go, that's cool.  I know PilzAdam posted something like that just earlier today in here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XOB2h2ULXg&feature=youtu.be
01:31 Doyousketch2 it's not really a tutorial, just a walkabout to get acquainted with the game.
01:32 StarBlessed Sweet.  I was thinking about focusing more on setup and mods etc.
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01:34 Doyousketch2 yeah, you already got screen cap software setup?
01:36 StarBlessed Yup.  Im running on Linux, so Im using a script I created for capturing from webcamstudio, and I just built webcamstudio straight from the git.  Works really well :)
01:36 jojoa1997|Tablet so anyone seeing any wisdom in this post http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83424#p83424
01:43 mauvebic lol rick astley
01:43 mauvebic thread could prolly go to offtopic
01:43 VanessaE talk about trolled
01:43 VanessaE minetest PE for android?  please.
01:45 jojoa1997|Tablet WHAT HOW DARE YOU!
01:46 jojoa1997|Tablet IF YOU HAD AN ANDROID YOU WOULD WANT IT
01:46 VanessaE probably so.
01:46 VanessaE but I don't, and I doubt that the relevant post ^^^ is real.
01:47 mauvebic its not beyond a skilled person to do it
01:47 mauvebic same with browsers and wbegl
01:47 mauvebic *webgl
01:47 Doyousketch2 it'd 'prolly be easier to make a singleplayer Android app
01:47 mauvebic i mean, look at this: http://www.activeworlds.com/
01:47 Doyousketch2 then you wouldn't have to include websockets
01:48 mauvebic though i would never download and install random APKs
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01:49 mauvebic in fact, the minute i found the right balance of apps and memory, i stopped fucking around with that lol
01:49 mauvebic virginmobile hates me lol theyre not making an extra bling off me
01:50 mauvebic 21st century deadbeet is a guy who pays his bills on time and with no surcharges lol (according to CCs)
01:50 StarBlessed BRB
01:51 VanessaE heh
01:51 Exio Doyousketch2: minetest singleplayer == local minetest server + minetest client connected to it
01:52 Doyousketch2 Exio - oh yeah.  you know, I wasn't thinking about that
01:53 mauvebic you'd be surprised how fast ISPs responds when they see you emailed all of them at once with the same generic questions lol
01:54 mauvebic this one guy is offering 12mbps/unlimited transfer for 45$, i dont trust him since none of the others can match that lol
01:54 VanessaE mauvebic: protip:  "lol" is not equivalent to a period at the end of a sentence. :-)
01:55 mauvebic youve said that already, sometimes you sound like a broken record :P (lol)
01:55 mauvebic "Mrs Slocombe, your needle is stuck in the groove"
01:55 VanessaE :P
01:55 mauvebic :PO
01:55 mauvebic *:P
01:56 mauvebic that was a funny scene though, especially with the box top on the customers' head
01:57 mauvebic i gotta laugh though cuz otherwise my current ISP would make me cry
01:57 mauvebic gov't bounced me to three different agencies to complain about their fraudulent billing
01:58 jordan4ibanez If I make a train model, will someone please make trains?
01:58 mauvebic and i really didn't feel like going back to court this year, but it looks so
01:58 mauvebic jordan use the boats code
01:58 Kacey night all
01:59 mauvebic its the exact same mechanics
01:59 mauvebic just remove all references to water and put in references to tracks instead
02:00 mauvebic - or the ufo code
02:00 mauvebic (remove vertical movement obs)
02:00 mauvebic *obviously]
02:01 mauvebic jesus
02:02 jordan4ibanez This is the best thing I done ever done saw http://imgur.com/gallery/Hmv0Opg
02:03 mauvebic that guy was educated in sweden, which makes the whole situation all the more confusing
02:04 jordan4ibanez New fireworks! http://youtu.be/5xrKufzejuI
02:04 mauvebic using particlespawners now?
02:05 VanessaE nice
02:05 jordan4ibanez Yes
02:05 mauvebic how do you get the particles to spread out? usually you have to pick 1 velocity
02:06 mauvebic unless you use more than one spawner
02:06 jordan4ibanez I have to make a function to revoke certain fireworks in the worksbox so you can't spam big boomers
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02:07 jordan4ibanez http://pastie.org/pastes/7459880/text?key=r8t0hgriiq0eekx7iyiww
02:07 mauvebic the only thing missing is for particles/entities to be light sources, wanted to make particlespawner fire
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02:07 mauvebic dude, you could do classic canonballs
02:07 jojoa1997|Tablet THE TRUTH http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83437#p83437
02:08 mauvebic i think everyone knows
02:08 mauvebic i still got artifacts on the netbook, nevermind android lol
02:08 jordan4ibanez I already made cannonballs in the cannon mod
02:09 mauvebic tho i thought Minetest PE stood for Minetest Physical Education so i didn't take notice at first lol
02:09 mauvebic though judging from kids today i bet most dont know about phys ed lol
02:09 jordan4ibanez http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83437#p83437 wat
02:10 mauvebic what sucks though is i pay incredible taxes on cigarettes and alcohol, but junk food and snacks get a free pass
02:10 mauvebic there are fewer smokers than obese people in my country lol
02:12 VanessaE simple: cigarettes and alcohol do more damage to more people than obesity
02:12 VanessaE (second-hand smoke, drunk driving/raving, etc)
02:12 jordan4ibanez Minetest does more damage to people than smoking
02:12 mauvebic well in canada we have socialized health, so yeah, obesity is everyone's concern here, especially when we pay such high taxes
02:13 mauvebic whats good for the goose is good for the gander
02:13 jordan4ibanez That sounds like communism lol
02:13 VanessaE I mean one person being fat doesn't affect the health of the people around him or her the way a smoker does.
02:13 mauvebic we pay taxes to treat both
02:13 mauvebic so either tax both, or neither
02:13 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: nothing wrong with communism or socialism if administered fairly and properly.
02:14 jordan4ibanez Tell that to the canadians!
02:14 mauvebic god knows, half the women in my family all have diabetes
02:14 mauvebic high blood pressure
02:14 mauvebic prescription$ and visit$
02:14 jordan4ibanez Can we have a trolling section on the forum?
02:14 mauvebic i have yet to see a non-authoritarian form of communism
02:15 Doyousketch2 deleted VirtualBox entirely and downloaded the newest version
02:15 mauvebic and honestly, weather the oligopoly rests within the state, or is behind the scenes financing the politicians, is there really that huge a difference?
02:16 mauvebic except for lack of freedoms
02:16 jordan4ibanez "Warning: This section of the forum has 1 rule; NO PR0N" and that section wouldn't have any admins to do anything about anything in there
02:16 Doyousketch2 installed the extra features pack, and it seems to be doing ok with the Deb install so far
02:16 jordan4ibanez it would be chaos
02:16 Exio a new gamemode in MT, TvT
02:17 Exio Troll versus Troll
02:17 mauvebic im all for cooperatives and credit unions, when you have the choice
02:17 Exio jordan4ibanez: doit
02:17 jordan4ibanez I can't do it, a moderator or celeron55 has to do it
02:17 jordan4ibanez I SHOULD MODERATE IT!
02:18 jordan4ibanez It would be horrific
02:20 mauvebic wow, sound dumb ... followed me on twitter with the tag nokxl (no keystone pipelin) ... my sister works on it lol
02:20 mauvebic *some
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02:22 mauvebic i seem to have some of the weirdest followers lol
02:25 mauvebic National Post - New moms eating their placentas in attempt to beat post-partum depression    - who's got dinner plans?
02:27 jordan4ibanez http://imgur.com/gallery/PcYpjRQ
02:27 mauvebic Bill Gates was never as bad as steve jobs
02:28 mauvebic at least Bill tried to buy you out, apple just sues
02:30 Exio lol mauvebic
02:30 mauvebic and at least MS didn't pretend to be original lol
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02:39 jordan4ibanez Sometimes I think life would be easier if I joined the army and became a sniper
02:39 jordan4ibanez I wouldn't have to worry about bills, or social events, or even getting a job
02:40 jordan4ibanez then I realize, I would have no internet
02:40 mauvebic which army?
02:40 mauvebic bases have internet lol
02:40 jordan4ibanez AND I SHOVE THE THOUGHT INTO THE BACK OF MY BRAIN
02:42 mauvebic it all depends *which* army, obivously you dont wanna be shipped off to one of those crappy countries and get your ass blown off
02:42 mauvebic otherwise it can be a steady income
02:45 VanessaE bbl
02:45 VanessaE bed
02:46 Exio good night
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03:18 jordan4ibanez realbadangel what did you add into the menu which you put on the forum?
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03:24 jordan4ibanez OH
03:24 jordan4ibanez This is really coool
03:25 jordan4ibanez goodnight persons
03:29 LostInConfusion Why was the minetest.conf setting for fall bobbing removed?
03:29 Exio i don't think how can it be annyoing
03:29 Exio it is imo too low and fast
03:30 LostInConfusion Cammera jerking for any reason is a pain. We should have a choice in whether or not to have to deal with it. Those that want it should have it, but those that don't shouldn't have to deal with it.
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03:31 LostInConfusion Configuration settings are always a good idea ....
03:31 khonkhortisan Those who accidentally join a server with a camera mod have to deal with it
03:31 Farlian hi
03:31 LostInConfusion Hello.
03:31 khonkhortisan But mods can't do that yet
03:31 khonkhortisan hello
03:31 LostInConfusion No, client configuration.
03:31 khonkhortisan And welcome to webchat!
03:32 LostInConfusion As a client, I don't want the camera to jerk. There was a setting to prevent it, and PilzAdam had it removed.
03:32 Exio blame him, i wanted an option for making it more "annoying" too :P
03:33 LostInConfusion PilzAdam seems to dislike the ability to configure things. He want to force HIS desired setup on everyone ...
03:33 LostInConfusion *wants
03:34 * LostInConfusion is getting tired of this
03:41 * LostInConfusion needs to learn C or C++ and write his own game
03:42 LostInConfusion !g learn C++
03:42 MinetestBot LostInConfusion: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/
03:42 Exio C
03:42 LostInConfusion !g learn c
03:42 MinetestBot LostInConfusion: http://c.learncodethehardway.org/
03:43 LostInConfusion Any particular reason, or just a preference, Exio?
03:44 Exio i prefer C because i don't like the OOP-ways for doing stuff, and if you are going to use C++ but not the "OOP-ways" to do stuff it seems worthless, imo
03:44 LostInConfusion Is OOP all that C++ adds to C?
03:44 Exio just
03:44 Exio er
03:45 Exio C + OOP + changes in pointers and some stuff what i don't know = C++
03:45 Exio :D
03:46 LostInConfusion I don't know. I use (or rather, used to) use both object oriented and functional programming in PHP, so I can manage either. Of course, C and C++ are at a much lower level, so we'll see how well I do at that ....
03:47 LostInConfusion Oh, drats. I can't draw. Even when I manage to make a game, the graphics are going to suck.
03:47 LostInConfusion Oh, well. People can deal.
03:47 LostInConfusion Or swap out the graphics.
03:48 Exio LostInConfusion: the functional way for doing stuff seems more clear for me (in 95% of the cases)
03:49 Exio in any case, C is other world :P
03:49 LostInConfusion It's been so long since I've worked in a language that had both options. I forget which works better for me.
03:50 LostInConfusion Mostly what I remember about languages is either how I feel about the syntax and how helpful or unhelpful the error messages are.
03:50 LostInConfusion For example, Java error messages are NOT at all helpful.
03:50 Exio they are as java is
03:50 Exio >:D
03:51 Exio * > python > basic > java
03:51 LostInConfusion You pass the wrong type of variable into a function, and it yells at you saying the function doesn't exist....
03:51 Exio operator overloading
03:51 LostInConfusion And Python? Indentations are NOT a form of syntax! Sheesh.
03:51 Exio it wasn't able to found a function able to "catch" the parameter
03:52 Exio LostInConfusion: forcing indentation seems idiot for me
03:52 LostInConfusion Yes, I understand WHY the error messages are unhelpful, but that doesn't help when debugging.
03:52 Exio hehe
03:52 LostInConfusion Indentions are good, but not forced indentions.
03:52 Exio ^ +1 for that
03:53 LostInConfusion Often, I indent better than Python allows. Slightly better, but better.
03:53 Exio I indent in a way what "seems better" for what the code is doing
03:55 LostInConfusion "Learn C The Hard Way" Hmm. I think I want a different site. If there's an easy way and a hard way, I'd rather not make things difficult for no reason. After all, I'm trying to make my own game to LESSEN stress, not add more.
03:55 Exio lol
03:55 Exio by hard way i think it means "without teaching you what a variable is"
03:55 LostInConfusion My school teaches C#, but I'm CERTAINLY not going with THAT option.
03:56 Exio C# is like Java.NET
03:56 LostInConfusion Without teaching you what a variable is? Anyone who has taken algebra should be able to figure out what a variable is.
03:57 Exio most of "manuals" i see start from nearly-scratch unless it is for people who knows some stuff or similar
03:57 LostInConfusion ".NET" sounds like a bad option too, if I understand correctly where it comes from and what it runs on.
03:58 LostInConfusion Bluh. That's another one I don't like. Ruby. Ruby is supposed to be "beautiful" and "elegant", but it's hard as heck to read.
03:59 Exio hahaha
04:00 LostInConfusion By "beautiful" they mean you can leave out a lot of the punctuation. But lack of punctuation is cumbersome when you try to go back and read it later.
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04:00 Exio i took a course in coursera for programming languages
04:00 Exio SML - Racket - Ruby
04:00 Exio in that order
04:00 Exio i think i will never touch ruby again
04:00 Exio but if i can i will look around for racket and SML
04:00 LostInConfusion Nice.
04:01 * LostInConfusion wishes there was a good low level language similar to PHP
04:01 LostInConfusion Oh wait, I think C might fit the bill.
04:01 Exio :D
04:04 Doyousketch2 hey, when building from source does it autodetect LuaJIT now?
04:04 Exio yes, it does
04:05 Doyousketch2 so you don't have to jump through any hoops, just install LuaJIT and you're good to go?
04:05 Exio luajit and luajit headers (when installing from debian-like packages or so)
04:06 Exio and then cmake will do the dirty job
04:06 Doyousketch2 k, ty.
04:06 Exio i'm going to sleep now
04:06 Exio good night :)
04:07 Doyousketch2 night
04:08 LostInConfusion Good night.
04:11 LostInConfusion "But, C is not to blame for this state of affairs. No my friends, your computer and the Operating System controlling it are the real tricksters. They conspire to hide their true inner workings from you so that you can never really know what is going on. The C programming language's only failing is giving you access to what is really there, and telling you the cold hard raw truth. C gives you the red pill. C pulls the curtai
04:11 LostInConfusion n back to show you the wizard. C is truth."
04:12 LostInConfusion Hmm. C is truth, huh?
04:15 LostInConfusion "I'm going to guess that you come from a language for weaklings. One of those "usable" languages that lets you get away with sloppy thinking and half-assed hackery like Python or Ruby. Or, maybe you use a language like Lisp that pretends the computer is some purely functional fantasy land with padded walls for little babies. Maybe you've learned Prolog and you think the entire world should just be a database that you walk a
04:15 LostInConfusion round in looking for clues. Even worse, I'm betting you've been using an IDE, so your brain is riddled with memory holes and you can't even type out an entire function's name without hitting CTRL-SPACE every 3 characters you type."
04:15 Doyousketch2 you sure it isn't Assembler, maybe Binary
04:15 LostInConfusion According to this, it's C.
04:15 Doyousketch2 yeah, I get that.  was just kidding
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04:23 Doyousketch2 finally getting somewhere with my Debian Live disk
04:23 us_0gb Nice. I've never even heard of a Debian live disc.
04:25 Doyousketch2 yeah, they got 'em.  trying to make a custom one that already has minetest installed
04:25 us_0gb Nice!
04:26 us_0gb I tried installing software on a system that was running in live CD mode. It didn't really work. You'd probably need it on the CD to get anywhere with that.
04:26 us_0gb What are you using this for?
04:27 Doyousketch2 kinda for my kid, but I'll upload it so anyone can use it
04:28 Doyousketch2 he's got a busted computer at his mom's, so I figure this way he can still boot up and play
04:28 us_0gb Ah, that's too bad. That's great of you to find a way to make it work though!
04:29 Doyousketch2 I kept saying not to use Windows, but his mom insisted on putting windows on there, and sure enough, it got a virus.
04:29 Doyousketch2 so it won't boot up.  but I can't talk her into installing Linux on it
04:30 Doyousketch2 figure a live disk will at least get him online and in the game, so we can build together
04:30 us_0gb Ah. I have that issue with my mother. She keeps getting viruses and other malware, but gets pissed of if you even suggest using anything other than Windows.
04:30 us_0gb She's the only one in the house that will go anywhere near Windows.
04:31 us_0gb My sister uses Mint, the rest of us use Ubuntu.
04:32 NakedFury what does your mother do?
04:32 NakedFury in the pc I mean
04:32 NakedFury any special work or just facebooking with long lost friends?
04:33 us_0gb I don't know what she uses it for. Browsing the web and playing games, as far as I can tell.
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04:33 us_0gb I think she uses Facebook too, yes.
04:35 us_0gb "I just installed Minetest 0.4.6 and I haven't found any robots anywhere. You call this a game? This is a BIG problem. Make robots now." - Posted in bugs and problems
04:35 NakedFury lame problem report
04:37 us_0gb I can't tell if he's serious, either .... Based on his other posts, he very well could be.
04:39 NakedFury I would have taken it seriously if he was just talking about any kind of monster
04:39 us_0gb Yeah. You're probably right ...
04:40 NakedFury then again he posted in the correct section for his robot comment
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04:43 us_0gb Nice. I'm reading a book on learning C, and it has instructions for Linux, OS X, and Windows. The Windows section says this: "For Windows users I'll show you how to get a basic Ubuntu Linux system up and running in a virtual machine so that you can still do all of my exercises, but avoid all the painful Windows installation problems."
04:46 NakedFury hmm
04:46 us_0gb ☺
04:46 NakedFury I would say THAT piece of advise should have been on my fucking book of learning C
04:47 NakedFury it so damn true it hurts to accept Windows extreme weakness to Linux
04:47 NakedFury at least that weakness
04:47 NakedFury all others are still under consideration
04:48 us_0gb Windows fails in so many ways, not just this. It's hard to find a way it doesn't fail.
04:49 NakedFury as a great gaming machine and recipient of amazing pieces of software from possibly millions of developers and companies making it the possibly most used OS
04:49 NakedFury and Windows will never confuse you with all the distro shit drama of Linux
04:49 us_0gb Most used, and therefore most developed for. It's an awful cycle.
04:49 NakedFury that is a huge Pro it has going on
04:50 us_0gb Windows is a worse option that all Linux distributions, so you have less to chose from, but you en up with something worse than if you just made the tough decision.
04:51 NakedFury with windows you need to learn few things for your pc when thinking of buying a software: hardware and OS, and hdd space. with linux you have to check all those plus distro support, maybe need some emulating programs too and check if there are drivers for it
04:52 us_0gb Support comes from popularity, so that's just part of the same awful cycle you already mentioned. Windows is popular. That's ALL it has going for it.
04:52 NakedFury I like this discussions. I throw windows stuff at you linux lovers and turn it into crap making me see linux is better but I wont give my ability to use the programs I love for linux so I compromise with linux on my laptop.
04:52 NakedFury and you turn it...
04:52 NakedFury forgot that you part
04:53 us_0gb I had to use Windows for class last term. So I put it in a virtual box. But now I get to delete it.
04:54 NakedFury I can hear its cries of certain doom and regret at not converting you
04:55 us_0gb Maybe if it actually had any security, and wasn't so resource intensive, I'd keep it.
04:56 us_0gb Also if it was easy to use.
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04:57 NakedFury it has some extremely difficult to find areas and is not as easy as it should be to use some of its functions
04:58 us_0gb Yet in Ubuntu, I've found no real difficulty. Admittedly I couldn't get Debian to work, and Mint is a bit buggy ...
05:01 NakedFury un an unrelated topic I hate finding a good sounding book only to learn the main character is a female. no sexist stuff from me but if im going to read or see a book/movie/videogame I prefer not to have to see the love/drama from a girls perspective
05:02 NakedFury gonna have to suck it up now and read this series anyway
05:02 us_0gb Hmm. You could try opening the book and looking before you buy. Assuming you get them from a book store or library.
05:05 NakedFury I always check the sinopses or reviews by others or even check a wikipedia for info
05:07 NakedFury I just cant see myself reading about our heroine seducing this men and then reading like 4 pages of super detailed descriptions of how fucking sexy and smelly and good tasting that man is
05:07 NakedFury I like being behind the guy explaining all that about his female conquest
05:07 us_0gb As an asexual, that would probably bore me, and I'd quit reading.
05:07 us_0gb Both would.
05:08 NakedFury and books never seem to take into account the females monthly weakness
05:08 NakedFury actually I am with you in that I would throw the book out for wasting time on that shit
05:08 NakedFury same way male fights never include nut hitting
05:09 Doyousketch2 OMG, just read that comment a while back about the C++ book rippin on windows users, lmao
05:10 NakedFury its perfect right?
05:11 us_0gb I know, it makes me respect the author more. I think this is the book I'll use.
05:11 Doyousketch2 which one is that?  I might have to look for it at the library
05:11 NakedFury yes please share title
05:11 NakedFury and is it C or C with 2 pluses>
05:11 NakedFury ?
05:11 us_0gb The book is yet unreleased. The draft is at http://c.learncodethehardway.org/book/
05:12 NakedFury Why use C then if it's so dangerous? Because C gives you power over the false reality of abstraction and liberates you from stupidity.
05:12 NakedFury wow for an intro I like it
05:13 us_0gb I know, right? I had to stop pasting cool exerts, because there were too many, and I didn't want to spam.
05:13 NakedFury I wont consider it spam if you wont. wink wink
05:13 NakedFury :D
05:14 NakedFury after that first quote I am sure many wont either
05:14 us_0gb Think about all there people logged in though .... Many probably read through a lot of the posts when they get back.
05:15 NakedFury I'm going to guess that you come from a language for weaklings.  My god this author is pure awesome. wonder if the publisher will let this go.
05:15 NakedFury even his license is awesome too.
05:16 us_0gb It sounds like it's going to be open source when it's finished, due to his reason for not allowing people to use it now being that he doesn't want the unfinished version to spread and mess up students.
05:16 NakedFury yeah
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05:16 NakedFury I wonder if reading this and understanding it will let me mess with minetests code
05:16 us_0gb An IDE, or "Integrated Development Environment" will turn you stupid. They are the worst tools if you want to be a good programmer because they hide what's going on from you, and your job is to know what's going on.
05:17 us_0gb Minetest is C++, this is C. I think C++ is a souped up C, from what I've read, so maybe it will help with Minetest? I don't know.
05:18 NakedFury maybe then c++ will be easier? I do know I want to read more from this man
05:18 us_0gb I've always thought that IDEs were a bad idea, but could never find a way to explain that to professors.
05:19 NakedFury well I thank you for this gem. I must go now to sleep and dream of summer break to read it without school work.
05:20 NakedFury until later
05:20 us_0gb Good night.
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05:31 ch98 hello
05:31 us_0gb Hey, ch98.
05:31 ch98 just testing it out. first time used
05:32 ch98 is it like chat in game?
05:32 us_0gb Yeah, pretty much, you just don't hit "t" before typing.
05:33 ch98 this may be intresting. but bye for tonight. time to sleep.
05:33 us_0gb Good night.
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05:40 Doyousketch2 welcome back
05:40 Doyousketch2 ...or not
05:45 Doyousketch2 this thing's been updating for a good while
05:45 us_0gb What has? The Live CD?
05:45 us_0gb *live
05:45 Doyousketch2 yeah.  real slow, 'cuz I'm building it in VirtualBox
05:46 us_0gb Ah. Got it.
05:47 Doyousketch2 it's perhaps 85% complete
05:47 Doyousketch2 gonna put XFCE on there so people who have less mem can still boot into it
05:48 us_0gb Oh, nice!
05:48 * Shadow|Phone is reading that c book, learning Makefiles now
05:49 Doyousketch2 yeah, I'll glance through it too when I get a chance
05:49 us_0gb Yeah, I'm reading it too. I'm hoping to start my own game.
05:49 Doyousketch2 best C++ resource I found so far was a YouTube channel - AntiRTFM
05:49 us_0gb It'll be less popular than Minetest, but also less stressfull.
05:50 Shadow|Phone He has a section about NOT glancing over things...
05:51 us_0gb Yeah, I read that thoroughly.
05:53 Doyousketch2 is dyslexic.  all of my reading is glancing
05:53 us_0gb Yeah, I have mild dyslexia as well.
05:54 Doyousketch2 sometimes I can focus and take tons of info in, other times its tough as hell to stay on track
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05:55 us_0gb I can stay on track, but I rearrange the words, so the wrong meaning comes through.
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06:01 Shadow|Phone Jeija: digilines (and probably mesecons) crash if you place them next to an unknown mode
06:02 ch98 it feels wiard to not tipe password all the time
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06:09 ssieb Shadow|Phone: mode or node?
06:10 Shadow|Phone Mode
06:10 Shadow|Phone Node
06:10 Shadow|Phone Ugh, auto-correct
06:11 ssieb :-)
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06:17 Doyousketch2 this might sound goofy, but is there a way to disable IP reporting in IRC?
06:19 Shadow|Phone Doyousketch2: do you mean your host?
06:20 Shadow|Phone Or seeing others hosts maybe?
06:20 Doyousketch2 yeah, mine.  for security purposes
06:21 Shadow|Phone Ask for a cloak in #freebase
06:21 Shadow|Phone #freenode
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06:22 * Shadow|Phone changes his keyboard
06:22 Doyousketch2 lols.  it's not for me tho.  so you have to ask for it?
06:23 Shadow|Phone yes
06:23 Doyousketch2 man that sux.  I'd be ok with it saying the first 6 digits or so, but not somuch the whole thing.
06:24 Shadow|Phone you might have to wait a while if staff isn't around
06:25 Shadow|Phone oh, and your nick has to be registered
06:25 Doyousketch2 eh.  ty
06:26 Shadow|Phone and make sure to use sasl or not auto-join
06:27 Doyousketch2 do caps make a diff in IRC?
06:27 Shadow|Phone No
06:28 Shadow|Phone see /whois ShadowNinja
06:29 Doyousketch2 whois doesn't seem to return any info
06:35 Shadow|Phone well you should have gotten a line like ShadowNinja!~ShadowNin@unaffiliated/shadowninja
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09:16 markveidemanis Hi Zeg9
09:17 Zeg9 Hello!
09:18 Jordach hey Zeg9
09:18 * Jordach likes using 2GB of ram
09:18 Jordach fuck me. minetest even starts and has better fps.
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09:21 Jordach hey PilzAdam
09:21 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
09:22 Jordach i swear you use a script for that PilzAdam
09:22 PilzAdam no, I dont
09:22 Jordach huh
09:22 Jordach looks like it does
09:23 PilzAdam I think its wrong to use a script to welcome a channel
09:28 us_0gb Hello!
09:29 us_0gb PilzAdam: Was there a reason for removing the configuration option for the new camera bobbing?
09:29 PilzAdam yes, see github
09:30 us_0gb Oh, right. I forgot I commented there.
09:31 us_0gb Okay, I guess that makes sense. Bloat can be bad.
09:31 Jordach nice server listing
09:33 us_0gb What the heck is this thing?: https://a248.e.akamai.net/camo.github.com/4de90c5e92d096a18dccdbf6035a9ee7053eaf9e/687474703a2f2f6f63746f6465782e6769746875622e636f6d2f696d616765732f64727570616c6361742e6a7067
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09:39 Zeg Dammit taken
09:39 * us_0gb wonders if there are Zegs 0 through 8
09:40 Jordach us_0gb, what about 10+
09:41 Zeg1 Nope
09:42 Zeg1 Hey im keeping this :D
09:42 us_0gb 10+, maybe. But I figured with Zeg9 known to exist, he might be the tenth (indexed from zero).
09:43 Zeg9 Didn't see you were talking about me... I need to add "zeg" to my highlight list...
09:43 Zeg9 Weird, it was already in it
09:43 us_0gb I said "Zegs", with an "s".
09:43 Zeg9 That's probably it...
09:44 * Zeg9 should have ns regain when he was called Zeg...
09:44 Zeg0 Zegooo
09:45 Jordach markv. youre looking close to a kick
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09:45 Jordach hai Calinou
09:45 us_0gb Hello!
09:45 Zeg9 Hi
09:45 Calinou hi
09:45 * us_0gb is trying to learn C
09:46 Jordach us_0gb, its nice, but python is better
09:46 * Zeg9 likes C but uses more C++ since some time
09:46 Calinou and slower
09:46 Calinou Jordach: need I bring back up minetestmapper? :P
09:46 Jordach Calinou, nuff said
09:46 us_0gb I'm no fan of Python, but in any case, I know it already. I don't need to learn it again.
09:46 Zeg0 IM ZEGOO
09:47 Calinou and lua?
09:47 Calinou D:
09:47 Zeg9 Minetestmapper in lua :-)
09:47 markveidemanis 86.172.133.253 testing frames and frame motors
09:47 us_0gb Lua indexes from one. Therefore, I assume it was made by people that didn't know what they were doing.
09:47 Zeg9 Or just rebellish people
09:48 Calinou us_0gb: it was made by windows users!
09:48 Calinou no really, indexing from 1 is more logical
09:48 Calinou deal with it
09:48 * Calinou puts his tac goggles on.
09:48 Jordach Calinou, bionic monocle
09:48 Zeg9 A programming language made under windows ? huh... Wait - no need to bring back the OS war
09:48 us_0gb Indexing from one is for people that don't know what they're doing. Just like IDEs.
09:49 mauvebic lol i think he's trolling you :p
09:49 Jordach us_0gb, now go say that to Geany
09:50 us_0gb He may be, but I take programming and operating systems VERY seriously.
09:50 us_0gb Who is Geany?
09:50 Zeg9 ...
09:51 Zeg9 http://www.geany.org :D
09:51 Jordach us_0gb, its a code editor, like say N++, but has error highlighting
09:52 mauvebic no use taking that crap too seriously, it changes every few years
09:52 Jordach apparently python is the new java
09:52 Zeg9 ...
09:52 * us_0gb is having issues finding his IDE quote ....
09:52 Zeg9 Better to be AFK
09:54 us_0gb "An IDE, or "Integrated Development Environment" will turn you stupid. They are the worst tools if you want to be a good programmer because they hide what's going on from you, and your job is to know what's going on."
09:54 Jordach huh
09:54 Jordach Minetest has the ability to strobe
09:56 Calinou geany can be used as a text editor
09:56 Calinou hide all the windows but the text one :P
09:56 us_0gb Ha ha.
09:56 Calinou and in this case, it makes gedit useless (and no zeitgeist :D)
09:57 us_0gb The book on C I'm reading actually recommends gedit.
09:57 Jordach what
09:57 Jordach a non free book teaching FOSS
09:57 * Jordach sits down
09:57 us_0gb Non-free? How so?
09:58 * Jordach wonders if us_0gb paid for that book
09:58 us_0gb http://c.learncodethehardway.org/book/
09:58 Jordach us_0gb, that's fine
09:58 us_0gb The book is unfinished, but no, I didn't pay for it.
09:59 * us_0gb has a tendency to turn to the web when he wants to learn something
10:20 Taoki Is there a minetest.register_on function that exacutes only once when the world / server is started?
10:20 Taoki **executes
10:21 Taoki There's a minetest.register_on_shutdown function, but I don't see one for startup in the Lua API
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10:25 markveidemanis I need a lift engineer
10:25 us_0gb Not really. You could use minetest.after(0, function()).
10:25 markveidemanis 86.172.133.253
10:25 Taoki ok, thanks
10:26 PilzAdam Taoki, minetest.after(0) is executed in the first environment step
10:26 Taoki thanks
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11:14 celeron55 re. discussion 8 hours ago when i was sleeping: http://c.learncodethehardway.org/book/ is actually pretty good; i read some interesting parts of it a year or two ago when i was working on a C project
11:15 celeron55 it teaches quite good practices and is very thin on all kinds of useless blah blah
11:15 Doyousketch2 that's cool
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11:44 rubenwardy hi all
11:47 mauvebic howdy
11:48 mauvebic have some coffee, we've laid out croissant on the folding table :-)
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12:13 arsdragonfly !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org
12:14 rubenwardy mauvebic: where in this room is that table?
12:14 Jordach arsdragonfly, minebot aint here
12:14 arsdragonfly ok
12:14 us_0gb What table?
12:14 rubenwardy (12:48:08 PM) mauvebic: have some coffee, we've laid out croissant on the folding table :-)#
12:15 mauvebic theyre all gone :( all eaten
12:15 Jordach meh
12:16 us_0gb Ah. I thought you meant a Lua table, or something.
12:16 Jordach i've got myself a egg and cress sandwich from tescos
12:16 Jordach and a frijj milkshake
12:16 mauvebic whatever that is :p
12:16 mauvebic (except for eggs)
12:20 mauvebic though im having a pollock salad at 8am so lol
12:21 rubenwardy Jordach: ymm
12:22 Jordach ive just finished the sandwich
12:22 Jordach it took me about 4 mins
12:22 us_0gb I just had a salad, but instead of dressing, I used vinegar.
12:23 Jordach ^ LIKE A BOSS
12:24 mauvebic lol
12:25 us_0gb The boss? I wish ...
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12:26 Jordach us_0gb, you are on your own server
12:27 Jordach yo ShadowNinja
12:27 us_0gb No, I'm on Frozen Bubble.
12:28 us_0gb It's significantly less stressful than Minetest.
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12:29 sfan5 !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org
12:29 MinetestBot arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30000 is up (1.461ms)
12:29 sfan5 ^ arsdragonfly
12:29 sfan5 also:
12:29 sfan5 !help
12:29 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
12:29 sfan5 you wanted it, I made it
12:30 arsdragonfly thanks a lot
12:30 arsdragonfly btw my graphics driver seems to be down:(
12:30 arsdragonfly So I can't join and play right now
12:31 sfan5 !seen Jordach
12:31 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen jordach around.
12:31 Jordach MinetestBot, i do exist
12:32 Jordach silly bot.
12:32 Jordach anyways, fudge brownie FTW
12:32 us_0gb MinetestBot never said you didn't exist, only that he hadn[t seen you around.
12:32 Jordach us_0gb, she*
12:33 * us_0gb was unaware the bot even had a sex
12:33 Jordach us_0gb, try hi MinetestBot
12:34 mauvebic yeah it fucked the other bot (tan) and like a praying mantis, killed it afterwards
12:34 us_0gb Hi MinesstBot.
12:34 mauvebic :P
12:34 Jordach hi MinetestBot
12:34 MinetestBot Hello Jordach
12:34 Jordach see?
12:34 us_0gb Hi MinetestBot.
12:35 us_0gb MinetwstBot doesn't like me because I punctuate.
12:35 Jordach im wondering how far the sound driver goes in linux
12:35 us_0gb *MinetestBot
12:35 rubenwardy !seen Rubenwardy
12:35 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Sorry, I haven't seen rubenwardy around.
12:35 rubenwardy fail
12:35 Jordach !seen rubenwardy
12:35 MinetestBot Jordach: rubenwardy was last seen at 2013-04-12 12:35:20 UTC on #minetest
12:35 mauvebic enough to bust my last speakers :p
12:35 Jordach mauvebic, i have a creative 7.1 Sound Blaster Audigy
12:35 rubenwardy !seen Rubenwardy
12:35 MinetestBot rubenwardy: rubenwardy was last seen at 2013-04-12 12:35:42 UTC on #minetest
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12:35 rubenwardy ah, I must speak for it to log m
12:36 rubenwardy e
12:36 mauvebic why was all that capitalized? lol
12:36 Jordach my regular sound chip, the intel ac'97 cant handle 72000KBPS
12:36 YoungDerp hmm...
12:36 us_0gb YoungDerp is Kacey?
12:36 rubenwardy huh?
12:37 YoungDerp ya
12:37 mauvebic i have no idea what i have, but the sub is BIG lol
12:37 YoungDerp Kacey was already in use this morning
12:37 mauvebic i have to keep it on the lowest setting otherwise watching star trek people think the koreans are invading
12:38 Jordach mauvebic, my triton gaming headset can ramp the volume to 110Db
12:38 mauvebic headphones - sehnheiser only, everything else lacks balls
12:38 us_0gb Ah, I see. Unregistered then.
12:39 mauvebic big brass ones
12:39 Jordach mauvebic, my forum avatar shows them
12:39 mauvebic i think my partial deafness and ringing is attributable to that lol
12:40 mauvebic my god those pictures are too tniy
12:40 mauvebic *tiny
12:40 mauvebic i should be wearing glasses but aint nobody got time for dat
12:41 Jordach mauvebic, i saw the meme first
12:41 Jordach on russel howard's good news
12:42 Jordach oh and btw, MinetestBot is getting a player skijn
12:42 Jordach skin*
12:42 mauvebic use to wear contacts but i kept falling asleep with them in
12:42 Jordach (colours sampled from minetest-icon.ico)
12:42 mauvebic you mean the forum spamming bot?
12:42 sfan5 mauvebic: spamming?
12:42 mauvebic well it managed to bump just about 90% of topics two weeks ago
12:42 Jordach mauvebic, i mean the IRC bot
12:43 Jordach not sfan5-bot
12:43 mauvebic ok theyre not the same
12:43 mauvebic why would a chat bot have an avatar though? do your chat clients have a feature im lacking? lol
12:43 Jordach mauvebic, its just a fun skin to sharpen my pixel artistry
12:44 mauvebic i was just curious how we would see it :p
12:44 sfan5 wub wub wub wub
12:44 mauvebic dont play with it too much, youll go blind :p
12:44 sfan5 FUCK! why the fuck do I always click on the fucking X button....
12:45 Jordach sfan5, because its shiny?
12:45 mauvebic lol
12:45 mauvebic the close button?
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12:47 Jordach * Received a CTCP REPLY ME!! (with ctcp) from sfan5 lol
12:47 mauvebic time means nothing at my end :P woke up at 20h yesterday
12:48 Jordach Stardate 8000
12:48 mauvebic just about lol
12:48 Jordach toilet wont flush, will try again later.
12:48 mauvebic you too?
12:48 Jordach mauvebic, i dont eat often enough
12:48 mauvebic the rapid thaw made sewers back up here
12:48 Jordach goddamit sfan5
12:48 mauvebic naw us it was the sewers :P
12:48 sfan5 :D
12:48 * Jordach keeps seeing ctcp messages
12:49 Jordach sfan5, QuakeNet misses you
12:49 mauvebic it was the first time i saw air bubbles coming up from the toilet
12:49 sfan5 ...
12:49 mauvebic i was like "what are you trying to say?!"
12:50 mauvebic aparently the neighbour got it bad though - sink, tub, toilet, all of it came up lol
12:51 PilzAdam piston double door: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83523#p83523
12:51 YoungDerp * Kacey :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
12:51 PilzAdam (smallest I have ever seen)
12:51 mauvebic thats alot of equipment for one door :p
12:52 PilzAdam oh, and the door is unbreakable
12:52 mauvebic mesecons toilet: http://www.hwdyk.com/q/images/bartvsaustralia_08.jpg
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12:55 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/w7AlzVD
12:55 mauvebic lol
12:55 mauvebic i do have a fire extinguisher, got it along with my wife
12:56 Jordach sfan5, here is MinetestBot http://imgur.com/a/xye2s
12:56 sfan5 that looks human
12:56 mauvebic chest hair?
12:56 mauvebic how did it get above the shirt?
12:56 Jordach mauvebic, its a front and back view
12:57 mauvebic the 2nd one, what is the brown stuff on the shirt?
12:57 Jordach hair
12:57 mauvebic oooh
12:57 mauvebic i thought he was looking the other way and it was chest hair lol
12:58 Jordach sfan5, http://ompldr.org/vaTJpdg/minetestbot.zip
12:58 Jordach there
12:58 mauvebic wait, did you say she?
12:58 Jordach skin + xcf layered skin
12:58 mauvebic *didnt
12:58 Jordach mauvebic, yes
12:58 mauvebic eunuch?
12:58 Jordach we cant just have vanessa being the only mature woman around here
12:58 Jordach ;)
12:58 RealBadAngel hello minetesters
12:59 mauvebic mature is like calling a woman old lol
12:59 mauvebic ditto for handsome
12:59 mauvebic still, you need to give it some tits, Seven of Nine style, of subjunction double D
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12:59 mauvebic "resistance is futile" lol
13:00 mauvebic my wife is pretty good with meshes, she can make a pair
13:00 * sfan5 is now going to play some redeclipse
13:01 mauvebic tried that once, wasn't keen
13:01 mauvebic my wife likes that linux RPG
13:01 mauvebic ...
13:01 mauvebic planeshift
13:01 mauvebic but the graphics are fucked up on both comps
13:02 * YoungDerp waits for Jordach to make him a custom skin...
13:04 YoungDerp Someone is using my real nick...
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13:13 mauvebic well if anyone wants to use my name they can feel free to pay my bills too :p
13:14 arsdragonfly I think I need a Synaptic Mod Manager for minetest:(
13:14 arsdragonfly So many dependencies
13:14 Jordach PilzAdam, you made that fat double door? i can do that but much much smaller
13:15 arsdragonfly I just wanna set up homedecor and I don't know where to start from
13:15 mauvebic unzip it to your mods folder
13:16 mauvebic then sing one verse of HMS Pinafore and you're done :-)
13:16 mauvebic *from
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13:29 Jordach PilzAdam, http://imgur.com/a/cJTg5
13:29 Jordach so much fucking simpler.
13:30 PilzAdam Jordach, microcontrollers are not allowed
13:30 Jordach bullshit
13:30 Jordach you didnt say i could use luacontrollers
13:31 Jordach :D
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13:32 PilzAdam ok, if µC/LuaC counts, then my doors mod does too
13:32 PilzAdam (the one in common)
13:32 PilzAdam so I guess /me is the winner
13:34 Jordach PilzAdam, yours is a standalone mod
13:34 Jordach mine is pure mesecon
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13:35 arsdragonfly|pho why does my server hang at "announcing to servers.minetest.net"?
13:35 STHGOM !up minetest.org 30015
13:35 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 is up (0.308ms)
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13:38 STHGOM hi
13:39 arsdragonfly|pho !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org
13:39 MinetestBot arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30000 is up (1.720ms)
13:39 arsdragonfly|pho horrible lag :(
13:40 arsdragonfly|pho still it's not on the main server list
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14:08 Jordach hey VanessaE
14:08 VanessaE good morning
14:09 Jordach also: http://imgur.com/gallery/w7AlzVD
14:09 Jordach female minetest plater
14:09 Jordach player*
14:09 Jordach no wait wrong link
14:09 Jordach http://imgur.com/a/xye2s
14:09 Jordach there^^
14:12 VanessaE Jordach: looks almost like Peppermint Patty, but not quite.
14:12 Jordach ??
14:12 VanessaE the Peanuts character.
14:12 Jordach VanessaE, her colours were sampled from minetest's logo
14:13 Jordach anyways, this skin is for MinetestBot http://ompldr.org/vaTJpdg/minetestbot.zip
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14:22 swilde *: Hi, is there a way in the lua api to put items in a group after they were registered?
14:24 arsdragonfly|pho hey guys
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14:25 arsdragonfly|pho I can't announce my server to the main server list
14:25 arsdragonfly|pho What's wrong?
14:25 swilde *: Reason is this: I want to register crafting recipes where e.g. different sorts of grass should work, so group:grass in the recipes would be nice -- but currently no such group is defined and therefore the different types of grass aren't in one group.  So my question is: could my mod create a group grass and make the existing types of grass all a member of that item group?
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14:46 TheSkyPlays how can I start minetest?
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14:49 TheSkyPlays Hello?
14:49 mauvebic 1) make sure computer is plugged in
14:49 mauvebic 2) Start menu > Games > Minetest
14:49 TheSkyPlays ok
14:49 mauvebic or alt F2 "minetest" enter
14:49 mauvebic was mostly kidding about #1 :p
14:49 mauvebic you wouldn't be here otherwise lol
14:50 TheSkyPlays doesn´t work
14:50 mauvebic what OS?
14:50 TheSkyPlays i have win 7
14:50 mauvebic hmm,
14:51 mauvebic Windows users, line 1
14:51 mauvebic trying to remember who makes winbuilds
14:51 TheSkyPlays i don´t know
14:51 mauvebic wait, you have that little windows button right?
14:51 mauvebic on the keyboard
14:52 TheSkyPlays yes?
14:52 mauvebic should be the equivilent of alt f2
14:52 Exio Windows/Super key + R is the "Run" window in windows
14:53 TheSkyPlays yes
14:53 TheSkyPlays i type "minetest" ?
14:53 mauvebic yep - if minetest doesn't start that way either it isn't configured or installed right
14:53 TheSkyPlays i have a zip pack
14:54 mauvebic but did you run the installer (did it have one?)
14:54 TheSkyPlays what installer? there isn´t one installer...
14:54 mauvebic hmm, yeah i wont be much help last time i ran windows bush had just stolen the election
14:55 TheSkyPlays really?
14:56 mauvebic "Extract the zip package somewhere. Run the executable found in the bin/ folder. Also see the Getting started page in the wiki.
14:56 mauvebic If you have problems, see this forum thread."
14:56 TheSkyPlays ok
14:56 TheSkyPlays i found it
14:56 mauvebic im surprised no one made an installer tho lol
14:56 TheSkyPlays ok it runs
14:57 TheSkyPlays thx
14:57 mauvebic no prob
14:57 TheSkyPlays ok nevertheless
14:59 Jordach hm? what did i miss
14:59 mauvebic ogb.us embraced windows
14:59 Jordach rubbish
14:59 mauvebic its as if he saw the light on the road to Tabasco
15:00 Jordach dafuq
15:00 mauvebic lol
15:00 * Jordach thinks mauvebic should stay away from the glue
15:00 mauvebic actually i stopped smoking weed nearly a month ago - which just proves some people are saner with it lol
15:01 rubenwardy mauvebic: kaeza did
15:01 mauvebic did what?
15:01 Jordach mauvebic, your insanity for building shit still stands
15:01 rubenwardy installer
15:01 mauvebic jordach true, i totally demolished the queen mary twice and started over to get it *right* lol
15:02 mauvebic he did? the download pages only have the zips
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15:02 rubenwardy it is not official
15:02 mauvebic i told someone to look in their start menu lol
15:02 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4245
15:02 mauvebic newbies dont look there
15:02 mauvebic would be more practical on the downloads page
15:03 rubenwardy yeah
15:04 Jordach rubenwardy, you have windows. update it yourself
15:04 rubenwardy you do as well jordach
15:05 Jordach rubenwardy, i formatted the windows partiton
15:05 rubenwardy I use a Ubuntu Windows 7 dual boot
15:05 mauvebic where were you all ten minutes ago when i had win user asking me how to start mt lol
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15:11 Jordach mauvebic, probably watching.....
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15:17 rubenwardy creating installer...
15:20 Pest Guys, i have this problem on server: ERROR[ServerThread]: WARNING: Block failed to save (-44, -1, -9) SQL logic error or missing database
15:20 Pest suggestions?
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15:21 Jordach Pest, possible corrupted world save
15:21 Pest how to fix?
15:22 VanessaE Pest: disable error checking for a short while (ignore_load_errors=true  in your minetest.conf, I think)
15:22 VanessaE get the bad chunk to load, then stop your server and remove that config line.
15:22 VanessaE you'll get a partially-re-generated chunk, but it's better than losing the whole world.
15:23 Pest thank you so much
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15:23 VanessaE ignore_world_load_errors=true  rather.
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15:36 sfan5 how to find various apache logs with google: '' site:https://www.hnrlawoffices.com "logs/" ''
15:37 markveidemanis http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83557#p83557
15:37 Pest VanessaE: it works now as well. Tnx
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15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzAdam ding
15:43 PilzAdam pong
15:43 PilzAdam bbl
15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet wait
15:44 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i make a formspec take stuff out like normal(referring to workbench mod)
15:44 VanessaE Pest: excellent.  Now do something to change the bad block i,.e. build something on it.  close your server and remove that line.
15:45 VanessaE then restart your server
15:45 VanessaE (server or game I mean)
15:45 VanessaE morning PilzAdam.
15:45 Pest already
15:46 VanessaE Pest: good deal.  Sorry that happened, it might have been due to a bad shutdown at some point, or bas RAM (both have happened to me before)
15:46 VanessaE do a thorough hardware test when you get a chance.
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet where is the survival inventory defined?
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15:49 jojoa1997|Tablet well anyone...
15:49 Pest might be. Couple of times i shutdown it via htop
15:49 VanessaE no idea.
15:49 VanessaE Pest: that could do it.
15:49 Jordach Pest, AHA
15:49 Jordach Pest, on my server, i always ctrl + c from the screened terminal
15:50 Pest seems to work with tmux=)
15:50 VanessaE what I do is /shutdown  from within a client.
15:58 Jordach VanessaE, seems too dangerous for me
15:58 VanessaE what, shutdown?
15:58 Jordach yup
15:59 Jordach because the other clients abruptly disconnect, same for ctrl + c i guess
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16:00 Calinou there's no //shutdown in minetest by default
16:00 Calinou /shutdown*
16:00 Calinou or, there is?
16:00 Calinou it's not in help
16:02 celeron55 minetest will shut down gracefully with SIGINT
16:02 celeron55 same as what "kill" without parameters does
16:03 Calinou doesn't "kill" send 9 signal by default ?
16:03 Calinou nvm
16:03 celeron55 kill -9 is SIGTERM, that will forcefully end it
16:03 celeron55 it can corrupt anything
16:03 celeron55 (ctrl+c is SIGINT)
16:06 celeron55 and yes, the minetest client doesn't handle disconnects really at all
16:08 markveidemanis How do i disconnect a user from a server
16:09 VanessaE markveidemanis: ban them, then un-ban.
16:09 VanessaE celeron55: kill -9 is SIGKILL.
16:09 markveidemanis A way to do /kick?
16:09 VanessaE markveidemanis: not at present.
16:09 Jordach VanessaE, someones working on it IIRC
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16:25 Jordach anyways, i've had some ideas on a book
16:25 Jordach (it shows Minetest's story over the course since I've been here.)
16:28 Mailaender how do I solve the problem where the game minituarizes http://imgur.com/zxyQnMT when using multi-monitor setups and windowed mode?
16:28 khonkhortisan Mailaender, I have that exact problem
16:29 Jordach Mailaender, maximise and de-maximise
16:29 Jordach Mailaender, also: don't use Irrlicht 1.8
16:30 celeron55 VanessaE: umm... oh i guess so then
16:31 khonkhortisan No solution yet for that version of irrlicht https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/474
16:31 Jordach Mailaender, i've heard that openSUSE is friendlier than Ubuntu
16:34 Mailaender I did not use Ubuntu for years and I never successfully submitted patches to Ubuntu. I only got a message after 3 years that I should please update to the latest DEB format, then they might review... that is too slow for me.
16:34 Jordach Calinou,
16:34 Jordach <nhoodfan> Someone give me a GTX Titan.
16:38 markveidemanis http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5582
16:39 khonkhortisan like movestones from mesecons
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16:40 markveidemanis Yep
16:40 rubenwardy what I have been working on today: http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/medal_def.png
16:40 markveidemanis That is what i need.....
16:40 markveidemanis To make a good lift
16:40 khonkhortisan you said like movestones from technic :)
16:40 markveidemanis We have entity collision
16:41 khonkhortisan I tried to use pistons pointing up to make an elevator, then I find out pistons can't pull activated pistons sideways
16:42 markveidemanis 86.172.133.253 Proof
16:45 markveidemanis khonkhortisan ^
16:46 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83571#p83571
16:46 Jordach VanessaE, ^
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16:48 khonkhortisan explain -i +ation
16:48 paxcoder how would i go about writing a client-side mod?
16:49 rubenwardy no such thing
16:49 rubenwardy i believe
16:49 khonkhortisan You stop right when you start
16:50 khonkhortisan Mods are written in lua, then read by the server, then the server sends the client any new nodes/textures/other stuff
16:54 paxcoder khonkhortisan, what if i wanted a bind mod that makes this kind of thing possible: /bind b /msg this is spam
16:54 paxcoder well.. you get it
16:54 khonkhortisan That would be a server mod, and you can do that
16:54 paxcoder no, client siiiide
16:54 Jordach VanessaE, post updated
16:55 khonkhortisan um, you'd have to edit the client's c++ code
16:55 khonkhortisan to make it support that
16:55 khonkhortisan or use another program that sends fake keypresses
16:55 markveidemanis Make it get the player name and if the player presses that button do something that would make the client open a msg gui
16:56 * khonkhortisan downloaded older version of irrlicht, suprised he had to compile it, cmake-gui included it, recompiled, ran a bash script for luajit, and now has no problems with view shrinkage
16:56 markveidemanis like the privarea mod, a command from a client opens up a gui
16:56 paxcoder markveidemanis, the question is: how to do it client-side
16:56 markveidemanis You're screwed, this is minetest ;)
16:56 rubenwardy why client side?
16:56 paxcoder why server side?
16:56 paxcoder it's a client-side thing
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16:57 khonkhortisan So that it works on anyone's server
16:57 rubenwardy because it supports server side
16:57 rubenwardy *it = minetest
16:57 rubenwardy what do you want to do?
16:57 khonkhortisan /bind b /msg
16:57 rubenwardy ???
16:57 paxcoder rubenwardy, an answer to "can this be done client-side where it belongs" cannot be "why not server side? server side is supported."
16:58 rubenwardy khonkhortisan: when player presses b, /msg it oppend?
16:58 rubenwardy opened?
16:58 khonkhortisan oops misquote: "what if i wanted a bind mod that makes this kind of thing possible: /bind b /msg this is spam"
16:58 rubenwardy you could just change you key settings for that
16:59 rubenwardy when b is pressed, the player sends "this is spam"
16:59 rubenwardy ?
16:59 khonkhortisan I think that's it
16:59 paxcoder ideally, this is the scenario: you'd write /bind <key>, 2) it would be intercepted and not sent to the server, 3) it'd record keyboard events until you press ESC or something, 4) after that you'd press B to replay those events
17:00 rubenwardy like a macro?
17:00 paxcoder but really, i'm only asking a general question: Can a mod be made to work client-side without recompiling?
17:00 khonkhortisan There are two problems with this: 1) Minetest doesn't support arbitrary key bindings afaik - this would be the easier problem to fix, and 2) Minetest doesn't have client-side mods - This would mean adding a modding system while writing the mod.
17:01 paxcoder khonkhortisan, don't mods execute client-side (as well?) ?
17:01 khonkhortisan it'll take more than recompiling, the api would have to be changed
17:01 khonkhortisan no, not at all
17:01 khonkhortisan If I register a node, for example, the server only sends the new node, not the code that added it
17:01 paxcoder khonkhortisan, you're telling me i run no lua at all, everything is run by the server?
17:01 khonkhortisan Yes.
17:01 rubenwardy yeah
17:01 paxcoder *everything lua
17:01 paxcoder oh
17:01 khonkhortisan Lua is all-server
17:02 paxcoder well that's shabby
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17:02 * paxcoder look sup shabby in the dictionary
17:03 rubenwardy it is not shabby
17:03 rubenwardy it is secure
17:04 paxcoder rubenwardy, not all things need to be
17:04 khonkhortisan The only person that can lose data from a bad mod is the server owner
17:04 rubenwardy I know, paxcoder
17:04 rubenwardy but all mods at the moment need to be secure
17:04 paxcoder so how does node creation work then, how does server send me default:cobble?
17:04 * sfan5 just wrote an SFX implementation from scratch
17:05 * khonkhortisan imagines having a venn diagram showing what parts of the api are client and what are server
17:05 rubenwardy BUT if client side lua is created, then mods that do stuff like tha can be added
17:05 khonkhortisan chatcommand could be both, register_node would be server, time would be both
17:06 khonkhortisan But then for a really involved mod, it would require being installed both in the server and client
17:06 paxcoder khonkhortisan, cache
17:07 khonkhortisan what, downloading the client mod from the server?
17:07 paxcoder added plus: no re-sending
17:07 paxcoder yes
17:07 paxcoder client side of the mod*
17:07 khonkhortisan Here's some code, run me!
17:07 paxcoder heh
17:07 khonkhortisan mods aren't sandboxed yet
17:07 paxcoder yeah...
17:07 khonkhortisan except for the code in mesecons' luacontroller
17:08 paxcoder no but i'm imagining client-side-only mods
17:09 paxcoder khonkhortisan, but anyway, back to the topic, i added luminescence to my stone, and in "singleplayer", i can dig and everything is lit. how do i do that given that the server registers default:stone instead?
17:09 paxcoder a similar client-side hack would be ignoring server "time", and going with 10k always
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17:11 paxcoder khonkhortisan, no ideas?
17:11 khonkhortisan Can you see underground at noon?
17:12 paxcoder don't think so. but if i add luminescence to stone, yes
17:12 paxcoder i think...
17:13 paxcoder what's the noon time?
17:13 khonkhortisan uh, 6000? 12000?
17:13 khonkhortisan 4500 is right at sunrise
17:14 paxcoder can see underground at all those times
17:14 paxcoder and 0
17:16 paxcoder there could also be client-side bots
17:16 paxcoder with all that in mind, maybe client-side mods aren't such a good idea
17:16 paxcoder wouldn't be very fair
17:16 khonkhortisan interesting, there's another game that's trying to get server-side bots
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17:17 NakedFury which one?
17:17 khonkhortisan bzflag
17:17 khonkhortisan but that would require a rewrite of lots of stuff
17:18 paxcoder i never really got that game tb
17:18 paxcoder h
17:18 alex256 anyone have any idea why enable_pvp = 1 ic the minetest.conf isn't working on my server?
17:18 Jordach alex256, it uses true and false
17:18 alex256 i tried that as well...nothing
17:20 paxcoder ah the true/1/yes/Yes/TRUE/<simply existing> difference
17:20 paxcoder "yes"/"true"
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17:22 alex256 in the minetest.conf example it sid to use true but  that nor =1 is helping? where is the default script? there may be a typo in the version i have....
17:22 alex256 *said
17:22 ShadowNinja alex256: are you using the latest game or the stable one?
17:22 alex256 stable 0.4.6
17:22 ShadowNinja as in survival/minetest_game
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17:23 alex256 yes
17:23 ShadowNinja that wasn't a yes or no question
17:24 ShadowNinja The damage system recently got re-done
17:25 paxcoder ShadowNinja, and that
17:25 alex256 yes stable and yes survival/minetest_game
17:26 ShadowNinja is survival/minetest_game the stable version?
17:27 alex256 it is the one included with the exception you told me to remove bones...you think the 3D_armor mod may be causes a glitch?
17:28 ShadowNinja no, where did you get your version of the game?
17:28 alex256 thold on i will find the page and post it
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17:32 alex256 cool there is a stable for puppy now...let me install it and see if anything changes
17:32 ShadowNinja build the unstable version
17:33 * khonkhortisan made his time loop from sunrise to sunset
17:33 alex256 i dont understand how to compile something or i would...
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17:34 alex256 everything people have told me to do results in some error...
17:34 ShadowNinja cd into a directory then git clone git@github.com:minetest/minetest.git . && cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -jX where X is the number of threads your computer has
17:34 khonkhortisan How do I count threads? I know how to count processes
17:34 Doyousketch2 2x the processor cores
17:35 Doyousketch2 so if you have a single core processor, it's -j2
17:35 ShadowNinja if you have hyperthreading, otherwise it is the number of cores
17:35 khonkhortisan someone should really fix the moon so it doesn't follow the sun
17:36 Doyousketch2 lol khon :)
17:36 alex256 mine is a 64-bit amd sempron
17:36 Calinou AMD uses mutualized cores for some of their CPUs (mostly FXs)
17:36 Calinou (and the APUs too)
17:37 alex256 i miss my celeron processor..it was much better....
17:37 Calinou celeron G1610 > C2D E8400 :P
17:37 Calinou alex256: if it's much better then your sempron is monocore
17:37 Calinou lol'd at people wanting to save 5 euros for that
17:38 alex256 what does the +3200 mean?
17:38 Doyousketch2 well, I created the Live disk last night, then botched it by trying to change the username
17:38 Calinou alex256: huh?
17:39 Doyousketch2 so I had to start again.  gonna dash out for coffee so my brain is awake enough to complete it
17:39 alex256 it says 1.8ghz+3200
17:39 Calinou probably the ref of your CPU
17:39 Calinou 1.8ghz, if it's monocore, it's as powerful as my netbook's atom
17:40 Calinou I'm talking in real cores btw, a dualcore AMD is a monocore ("monomodule")
17:40 alex256 ok...just wondering...i am use to another cpu...unfortunately
17:40 alex256 it died...
17:41 Calinou how can a CPU die, really
17:41 * Calinou bets on the mobo
17:41 Calinou ($10)
17:41 khonkhortisan it becomes cold
17:41 alex256 motherboard caught on fire when it fell of the desk.....lol
17:42 alex256 the dreaded smell of mica burning
17:42 Calinou fell of the desk? you aren't using a case?
17:43 alex256 desktop pc/ old wobbly house = sad alex256
17:43 Calinou this is why you should put it on the floor
17:44 * khonkhortisan has his on the floor
17:44 Calinou on top of that you win one or two free °C, cold air is near the floor :P
17:44 khonkhortisan the dog doesn't mess with it
17:44 Calinou my case's roof is almost at the height of my keyboard, full tower ftw
17:44 alex256 my cat would pee on it....
17:44 Calinou 20kg when empty
17:44 Calinou alex256: I have a cat too, I don't allow it to go near my PC
17:44 khonkhortisan my dog is too big, pees on the floor
17:44 Doyousketch2 you should watch those youtube clips where they overclock mobos without heatsinks
17:45 Doyousketch2 then you'll see a CPU die in a blaze of glory
17:45 Calinou you don't overclock a motherboard, you overclock a CPU, RAM, or graphic card :P
17:45 khonkhortisan heh. I was wondering what a mobo was.
17:45 * Calinou has a motherboard that's certified for running a 3770K at 4.6ghz, but he has a 2600K @ stock
17:45 Doyousketch2 well, you set it in the BIOS, which is on the mobo
17:45 alex256 i have seen a cpu inside an aquarium full of vegetable oil...
17:46 khonkhortisan isn't that flammable?
17:46 * Calinou places a torch on khonkhortisan's wooden house
17:46 Doyousketch2 I did the oil trick with a router that I upgraded the ROM to DD-WRT
17:46 alex256 they sealed everything up with silicone first
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17:47 Doyousketch2 did ok 'till my roomie left it sitting outside in the rain
17:48 Calinou heh, routers
17:48 alex256 water.electronics not a good mix
17:48 Calinou in france, you get a "box", basically you rent (or rarely, buy) your router from... your ISP
17:48 Calinou french paradox :>
17:48 Jordach Calinou, my tower weighs an absolute tonn
17:48 Calinou you cannot use your own router most of the time (or it is very hard to do so)
17:48 Calinou Jordach: heh
17:48 Calinou few cases are 20kg when empty :P
17:48 * Calinou crushes Jordach with a 900D
17:49 Jordach Calinou, acer here, expect a bit of flab, but then again, it also has the ability to upgrade the mobo
17:49 Jordach also: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83591#p83591
17:49 alex256 i installed linux on a sega genesis once...that was wierd...lol
17:50 Calinou http://www.cowcotland.com/images/news/2013/04/cowneries-dimanche-tkd2009-semaine-14---2013-7.jpg
17:51 Jordach Calinou, isnt that the first IBM PC Clone?
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17:56 Calinou dunno
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17:58 Jordach Calinou, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83593#p83593
17:59 Calinou i'd like to have more dungeon-like structures, yeah
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18:02 alex256 http://www.cowcotland.com/images/news/2013/04/cowneries-dimanche-tkd2009-semaine-14---2013-7.jpg :)
18:03 alex256 that a whopper lol
18:07 alex256 anyone on here ever mess with the cube2 engine any?
18:07 Calinou /me
18:07 * Calinou plays red eclipse and sauerbraten :P
18:08 alex256 cool me to...i use to do alot af map makeing...what was your name on there?
18:08 alex256 same?
18:09 alex256 ...i am always alex256...
18:10 Calinou Calinou :P
18:10 alex256 Calinou...do you have stuff uploaded to quadropolis?
18:10 Calinou 'dinner, bye
18:10 Calinou alex256: no
18:10 Calinou quadropolis, worse than reddit (which is in turn worse than 4chan)
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18:25 MinetestBot GIT: khonkhortisan commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Allow pistons to connect vertically (to mese) 88eb0c61ea 2013-04-12T11:23:03-07:00 http://git.io/JeC8Vw
18:25 markveidemanis Hi
18:26 Jordach winning. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83601#p83601
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18:31 CryAngel hi all
18:34 CryAngel i want ask - all happy with systemwide LuaJIT or someone prefer builtin (same as Lua now)?
18:34 khonkhortisan I'd prefer whatever doesn't make me compile twice just to link to luajit
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18:38 Doyousketch2 mine did ok with systemwide JIT
18:40 Doyousketch2 I do agree with khon tho.  it'd be easier if it could just be included in Calinou's one-line apt-get
18:41 CryAngel well, but apt-get not suitable for windows users anyway hehe
18:43 CryAngel also, while Lua can be systemwide, minetest use builtin. dont same apply to LuaJIT?
18:44 Doyousketch2 I'm sure you could if you reference the right directory
18:48 CryAngel here comment from CmakeList:
18:48 CryAngel # Do not use system-wide installation of Lua, because it'll likely be a
18:48 CryAngel # different version and/or has different build options.
18:49 CryAngel so, even systemwide possible builtin preffered
18:49 Doyousketch2 oh, I didn't think of version probs
18:50 Doyousketch2 I guess it makes sence, because it's a pretty important part of the game
18:51 CryAngel anyway, i finally fix my branch to build on linux
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18:52 CryAngel so i just want to know, will i make new pull request or noone interested on it
18:54 Doyousketch2 oh, what's the diff?  was it broken before?
18:57 CryAngel in my branch i integrate LuaJIT as builtin. i make pull request before, but work only on windows. now i get some free time, switch to my Debian and finally fix it on linux also :)
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18:58 Doyousketch2 ah, good stuff.  yeah, I'd try new pull request.
19:02 CryAngel well, i prepare and make new pull request then. i think i make it possible to chose what LuaJIT use - builtin or systemwide. what will be default?
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19:04 Doyousketch2 yeah, that's a good idea.  if you include LuaJIT, make it default to that.
19:04 Doyousketch2 but I totally agree with the option to disable it.  for error-testing and whatnot
19:05 Doyousketch2 people can compare speeds without having to uninstall and re-install the JIT package
19:05 Calinou don't you need to recompile too?
19:06 Doyousketch2 I'm sure you would
19:06 CryAngel statically linked lib sure need recompile to be linked
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19:09 CryAngel btw i talk not about Lua and LuaJIT. i talk about luajit if both present - systemwide and builtin what will be selected by default?
19:09 Doyousketch2 oh, if you include package, default to the one you include
19:10 Doyousketch2 so you don't run into version errors
19:10 Doyousketch2 because the systemwide might be an old copy that doesn't do everything minetest needs it to
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19:11 khonkhortisan cmake gives the option to use system irrlicht or a downloaded one
19:11 markveidemanis 86.172.133.253 for GHOST test
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19:12 CryAngel khonkhortisan: yes, but some need to be default :)
19:12 Doyousketch2 I already know what it's like to be a ghost.  tweaked my code so I didn't spawn after dying
19:13 Doyousketch2 didn't like it tho, 'cuz the server doesn't let you interact while you're dead
19:13 Doyousketch2 even tho your client lets you
19:13 CryAngel but... how ghost will interact?
19:14 Doyousketch2 so you pick at blocks and it looks like you collect stuff, but then you eventually spawn, and none of it was really collected
19:14 CryAngel may be some scary sounds and shake some items will be possible for ghost lol
19:17 Doyousketch2 that'd be cool, but you'd have to re-write server to allow some sorta interact after death.
19:17 Jordach PilzAdam, bug with beds mod
19:18 Jordach nope my bad
19:18 Doyousketch2 as it is, you ought'to disable interact from client after death.  otherwise you waste time
19:18 jojoa1997|Tablet is it possible to have a mod get the size of an image in pixels
19:19 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/YXta4TD.gif
19:19 jordan4ibanez I think traxie21 might shit her pants when she see's this thing once it's complete
19:20 Doyousketch2 I think you can use a mod to do direct IO requests.  maybe you could figure image size with that
19:20 jojoa1997|Tablet once what is complete?
19:21 jojoa1997|Tablet and i wish i knw how to do IO requests but i dont
19:21 khonkhortisan lua is very limited in that way
19:23 CryAngel btw Lua can load and use libs, which can really extend functional
19:24 jojoa1997|Tablet ok
19:24 Doyousketch2 you 'prolly could if you put IrrLua in the mix.  http://irrlua.sourceforge.net/using.html
19:25 jojoa1997|Tablet we need a lib to find sizes for png files
19:25 paxcoder that should be very straight forward
19:25 CryAngel i most sure imagemagic can cover any imagerelated things
19:26 markveidemanis Who is on a server
19:26 markveidemanis tell me address
19:26 jojoa1997|Tablet http://ittner.github.io/lua-gd/
19:27 paxcoder I reckon this MediaFetchThread is what registers client-side the nodes registered server-side. How do I hack it to add luminescence to stone?
19:27 jojoa1997|Tablet what version of lua do we use
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19:27 Doyousketch2 you can 'prolly do it through LibPNG which is already included
19:27 jojoa1997|Tablet you mean we have that
19:27 paxcoder i wonder how GD got so popular
19:27 jojoa1997|Tablet ok then how would i do it
19:28 paxcoder look up the api man
19:28 paxcoder he said "prolly", not "certainly (i know it by heart)"
19:29 Doyousketch2 png_get_IHDR &width, &height
19:29 Doyousketch2 http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/libpng-1.4.0-manual.pdf
19:29 CryAngel fast googling show me here already some binding to ImageMagic https://github.com/leafo/magick
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19:31 CryAngel also here http://code.google.com/p/lua-files/ bunch of different bindings (include libpng)
19:35 jojoa1997|Tablet gahh you making me do work
19:35 * sfan5 finally updated his nuke mod
19:35 jojoa1997|Tablet anyways i am editeing gemalde so pics can take up the right size
19:36 jojoa1997|Tablet so
19:36 jojoa1997|Tablet has anyone found the singleplayer formspec
19:36 jojoa1997|Tablet where it is defined
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19:51 jordan4ibanez FINALLY
19:51 Doyousketch2 formspec?
19:51 jordan4ibanez It's only been 2 years lol
19:52 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, this is how you make piston doors: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83523#p83523
19:53 jordan4ibanez But I already made one http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83385#p83385
19:53 jordan4ibanez It dings when the timer cools down :D
19:54 jordan4ibanez How do I get the number of a node?
19:54 PilzAdam what number?
19:54 jordan4ibanez Like say I have "mod:Node_1"
19:54 PilzAdam tonumber(string.sub(node.name, #node.name-1))
19:56 Jordach EVERYONE, MY FATHER HAS COLLAPSED; PLEASE GIVE SUPPORT
19:56 Doyousketch2 srry to hear :(
19:56 jordan4ibanez call 911?
19:56 Jordach already done.
19:57 jordan4ibanez Is he overworked?
19:57 Jordach jordan4ibanez, he complained of a backache 30 mins before it
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20:00 PilzAdam Jordach, call satan, make a deal before its too late
20:03 sfan5 does anyone with 64bit linux want to try my one-click minetest installer out?
20:04 Doyousketch2 used to have 64 bit on here
20:05 sfan5 i'll wait for VanessaE
20:05 Doyousketch2 it was faster, especially internet, but it was buggy at the time, so I went back to 32
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20:06 Doyousketch2 they 'prolly got all of it ironed out by now, but I haven't swapped it up
20:06 sfan5 making a 32bit version would be complicated because i would need libssl, libcrypto, libbz2 ,libz and libxml2 as 32 bit
20:06 jojoa1997|Tablet has anyone made a 64 bit windows installer or build
20:06 Doyousketch2 might compile a 64 bit Live disk in a couple days
20:06 sfan5 (leaving out the libs i would need for building minetest)
20:07 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: i could easily make a win64 build
20:07 jojoa1997|Tablet please do
20:07 sfan5 why
20:07 jojoa1997|Tablet isnt it faster?
20:07 sfan5 its not significant
20:07 sfan5 *significantly faster
20:07 Doyousketch2 it can be for certain things, especially if the processor is 64 bit native
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet could you make a build for me to compare times
20:08 Doyousketch2 but most of the time you won't see much of a diff
20:08 sfan5 you mean if the processor supports switching to "long mode"
20:08 sfan5 ;)
20:08 sfan5 if you REALLY need/want a 64bit build for windows build it yourself
20:08 celeron55_ most of the time the only thing a 64bit build will do is consume even more memory
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet any less lag is noticable to me
20:08 celeron55_ because pointers take 8 bytes instead of 4
20:08 celeron55_ and some size variables
20:08 sfan5 thats also right
20:09 Doyousketch2 well, I think there's a processor out there that was built primarily as 64, and it's actually slower in 32
20:09 Doyousketch2 I'm thinking this one's that way, but I can't recall why
20:09 celeron55_ i guess a 64bit x86 processor is still mostly an overclocked 386 :P
20:10 jojoa1997|Tablet local objpos = obj:get_pos()
20:10 jojoa1997|Tablet is that possible for craft items
20:21 Doyousketch2 I'm getting somewhere with this live disk, but I have a concern
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20:25 john_minetest Are chars bigger in 64 bit than in 32?
20:27 john_minetest nvm... [...]char being always one byte in size[...]
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20:29 jordan4ibanez I am creating a cauldron, and testing the cycle of the bubbling liquid I accidentally created a slow piston
20:31 jordan4ibanez This is very nice http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4403
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20:32 Taoki hi. How do you register a minetest.after function which has parameters?
20:32 Taoki I don't ceem to be able to do minetest.after(1, function(x, y))
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20:32 Doyousketch2 yeah, it really is j4i
20:32 jordan4ibanez minetest.after(1,function()
20:32 jordan4ibanez --do stuff
20:32 jordan4ibanez end)
20:33 Taoki thanks
20:33 jordan4ibanez No problem
20:35 Taoki Hmm, still won't work
20:35 Taoki It's a function in a function btw
20:35 Taoki Hold on, I'll paste
20:36 Taoki http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DTg5cdWF
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20:36 Taoki How should I reform that? Basically I need something to take place in register_on_generated but about 1 seconds after generating
20:36 Taoki So I need a register_on_generated triggering an after
20:38 jordan4ibanez just run it on the on_generated function I guess
20:38 Taoki Anyone?
20:38 jordan4ibanez put the minetest.after function to be run by the on_generated function
20:39 Taoki Isn't that what I did?
20:40 Taoki Seems it's not working the way I made it
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20:41 Doyousketch2 does debug log tell you a specific error when you try to run it?
20:41 jordan4ibanez make the delay higher
20:41 Taoki ok, think I got it
20:41 Taoki And yeah, 1 second still is too low :P
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20:42 YoungDerp Kacey is still in use...
20:43 jordan4ibanez http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1361 this is possible now, either set the gravity negative, or make an elevator lift entity, or attach a player to an entity
20:43 khonkhortisan http://img42.com/Gdi7L
20:43 Taoki Isn't there a way to register something to run in an area that was generated after it was all finished generating?
20:44 * YoungDerp wonders who is using the nick Kacey even though it is registered
20:44 khonkhortisan You can steal it back
20:44 jordan4ibanez is there a way to make part of a nodebox not collidable?
20:44 celeron55_ Taoki: on_generated is that
20:45 Taoki celeron55_: interesting. I'm getting "ignore" nodes returned a lot in my positioning code, so I thought it's running too early. Means my positioning formula is wrong in that case
20:45 YoungDerp how do i get it back?
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20:45 celeron55_ oh ummm
20:45 khonkhortisan YoungDerp, http://www.technerd.net/nickserv.html
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20:45 celeron55_ so you mean that after it's all properly in the environment
20:46 Doyousketch2 try /whois Kasey then check the freenode channel
20:46 Taoki celeron55_: Yeah. Like after all blocks in that area (mins and maxs or what they're called) has been generated
20:46 celeron55_ actually yeah, on_generated is that
20:47 celeron55_ it is run just after the result of the map generation is copied into the live world
20:47 jojoa1997|Tablet is it set_hp()=1 or set_hp(1)
20:47 Taoki ok. My code is wrong then
20:47 Kacey haha had to release it
20:48 * Doyousketch2 really wants to hook the sub back up.
20:49 jojoa1997|Tablet is it set_hp()=1 or set_hp(1)
20:49 Doyousketch2 just don't want to carry it in here 'cuz it's flippin'  heavy
20:50 Doyousketch2 if I had to guess, set_hp = 1
20:51 Doyousketch2 tho I'd have to see it in it's context
20:51 jojoa1997|Tablet i just cant remember where i saw it before
20:51 jojoa1997|Tablet OH!
20:52 jojoa1997|Tablet the same thing happened with peaceful_npc
20:52 jojoa1997|Tablet it is set_hp(#)
20:52 Doyousketch2 if you were on Linux, I'd say use the gnome search tool and search for text within a file
20:52 Doyousketch2 I assume windows has a similar thing.  that helps a lot when trying to find stuff like that
20:53 Doyousketch2 just have it scan the whole minetest folder
20:53 rarkenin Linux would make this 18 times easier. Just use grep -r 'search string' .
20:55 jojoa1997|Tablet oh
20:55 jojoa1997|Tablet time to test health regen potion
20:55 rarkenin|Away Of course, you use Windows.
20:58 jordan4ibanez So it's not possible to make part of a nodebox not have collision detection?
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21:04 Doyousketch2 perhaps with bounding boxes
21:04 jordan4ibanez bounding boxes?
21:04 Doyousketch2 when you define the selection area
21:05 Doyousketch2 doesn't that define the interaction area?
21:05 jordan4ibanez The selection area does not effect the interaction area for nodeboxes
21:05 VanessaE hi all
21:05 jordan4ibanez OR I am doing something wrong
21:05 VanessaE there, one more dead fan nixed (GPU).
21:06 Doyousketch2 dunno.  gonna paint my sis's fingernails for a dance she has tonight.  brb
21:06 Taoki celeron55_: Uuuuuh. My problem was that I wa ssearching for default:dirt instead of default:dirt_with_grass. Keep forgetting they're different node types >.<
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21:07 jordan4ibanez vanessae do nodeboxes selection area effect their collision detection?
21:08 Jordach jordan4ibanez, yes
21:08 VanessaE yep
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21:08 jordan4ibanez what am I doing wrong -_- http://pastie.org/private/geiadx29rz5xruqlhlqtw
21:09 jordan4ibanez there is no selection box for "goop" but goop still makes things collide with it
21:11 VanessaE good question, I have no idea of the cause there.
21:11 Jordach jordan4ibanez, the selection box makes no difference to collision
21:11 Jordach the nodebox is what gives the collision
21:12 jordan4ibanez That's. What. I. Just. Asked.
21:12 VanessaE er, I misread yet again
21:12 VanessaE the nodebox itself IS the collision box I guess
21:13 jordan4ibanez Hmmm, there has to be some way to make the boundries of a single area of the nodebox in a glitched way so that it fails to collisiondetect, I've done it before, but I can't remember how
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21:14 Jordach hello marktraceur
21:14 marktraceur Nope
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21:15 jordan4ibanez What a butthole
21:18 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: does making the node walkable help at all?
21:19 VanessaE (or non-walkable...whichever one it is that lets you walk through it)
21:19 paxcoder Last attempt: what do i need to change to add luminosity to default:stone served to my client by the server?
21:19 Jordach paxcoder, you cant
21:19 VanessaE luminosity?  you mean like emits light?
21:20 Doyousketch2 paramtype = "light"
21:20 Doyousketch2 light_source = x
21:20 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix double free, null texture drop ce901f4c4c 2013-04-12T14:20:05-07:00 http://git.io/7cZSUg
21:21 Doyousketch2 where x = somewhere bewtween 1 to 14
21:21 VanessaE what Sketch said.  assuming that's what you wanted.
21:21 paxcoder Jordach, why? I get served data, surely I can inject my own *somewhere* along the line?
21:21 Jordach paxcoder, client side node prediction could be changed
21:21 Jordach so it thinks everythings bright
21:21 Jordach or just disable all light calculation
21:22 paxcoder Jordach, what do i get in the second case?
21:22 paxcoder (and how do i do it?)
21:22 Jordach paxcoder, dunno
21:22 Jordach rarkenin|Away, managed to remove the darkness
21:22 jordan4ibanez No, what I'm making is like a bowl with stew in it, I need to make it so you cannot collide with the stew basically
21:24 Doyousketch2 it must be doable, because otherwise stairs wouldn't exist
21:24 paxcoder Doyousketch2, I added light_source to default:stone (games/minimal/mods/default/init.lua), but that's only client side
21:24 jordan4ibanez what? stairs have no segments that don't collision detect
21:24 paxcoder Doyousketch2, didn't need paramtype="light"
21:25 Doyousketch2 put the stairs underwater, you walk through the water, yet still climb the stairs
21:26 Doyousketch2 dunno tho.  does it fill the void with air?
21:26 Doyousketch2 can't recall any underwater stairs at the moment.  I know torches have a void around 'em when underwater
21:27 VanessaE nothing wrong with putting stairs under water.  never seen a public swimming pool with shallow-end stair entry?
21:27 ShadowNinja Jordach: are you trying to make everything a certain light level?
21:27 VanessaE the void around them can be easily fixed if someone would just take the damn time to do it.
21:28 paxcoder ShadowNinja, he was helping me
21:28 paxcoder i just want to save coal
21:29 ShadowNinja paxcoder: save coal?
21:30 paxcoder ShadowNinja, torches are a hassle
21:30 paxcoder ShadowNinja, i wanted luminescent stone (to see underground)
21:31 paxcoder but disabling light calculation migiht save me some cycles too, and sounds like commenting one thing out (though i'm not familiar with the code, so i'm guessing)
21:32 paxcoder ShadowNinja, the prob is this must be done client-side
21:32 jordan4ibanez Here is/are the general way the cauldron works:
21:32 jordan4ibanez 1.) You throw an item in
21:32 jordan4ibanez 2.) It fills it up slightly
21:32 jordan4ibanez 3.) Over time it spits out potions
21:32 jordan4ibanez 4.) Fill it up too much, and it will explode
21:33 paxcoder wat
21:34 rarkenin|Away Jordach: Yeah, darkness is off, instadig without tools is on, and I can detect anticheat.
21:34 ShadowNinja ok, heres a hint, modify decode_light in light.h
21:34 Jordach rarkenin|Away, paxcoder wants the modified source you used
21:34 Doyousketch2 ok, so how about this idea- make the stew viscous like water, and the bowl super-viscous so you can't walk through it
21:35 ShadowNinja he just changed the table in light.cpp
21:35 rarkenin|Away paxcoder: It's not that readable, and quite hacky.
21:35 paxcoder rarkenin|Away, can you tell me what you modded for the light?
21:35 ShadowNinja the table in light.cpp
21:35 ShadowNinja you should modify decode_light in light.h
21:35 rarkenin|Away I changed light.cpp, the first set of values to be 255, 245, 235, 225, etc bottom to top. There are still light gradients, but one can see really well in the dark.
21:36 ShadowNinja just add return X to the top
21:36 rarkenin|Away And it turned out to be much simpler than decode_light, and still looked good.
21:36 Doyousketch2 liquid viscosity just changes based on your relation to the node
21:36 ShadowNinja X is sonething like 150 or 255
21:37 rarkenin|Away ShadowNinja, changing the table still gives a nice gradient, just increases light level so you can see.
21:37 ShadowNinja yes, I see
21:37 rarkenin|Away OK.
21:38 rarkenin|Away Sorry, I really can't think clearly, I was "accidentally" knocked into a wall yesterday.
21:38 Doyousketch2 I was thinking that would be real awesome for all the water in minetest
21:38 rarkenin|Away At least I think modifying the table is cleaner and gives better results.
21:38 Doyousketch2 where the deeper you go, the more viscous it gets
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21:39 paxcoder rarkenin|Away, ShadowNinja thx both
21:39 rarkenin|Away No problem.
21:39 rarkenin|Away And hello!
21:39 ShadowNinja you're welcome
21:39 Doyousketch2 and it's alpha gets darker
21:39 us_0gb Hey.
21:39 rarkenin|Away Doyousketch2: I haven't seen water get noticeable viscous as one goes deeper. It's actually easier to swim for short distances slightly below the water surface.
21:40 Doyousketch2 up at the top it's super see-through, like alpha 40. and as you go deeper down, the alpha can increase to like 200 or something way down there
21:40 paxcoder Doyousketch2, muddy business
21:41 Doyousketch2 right, but that'd be a neat effect.  if I had time, I'd code it in
21:41 rarkenin|Away No, just the light level. The alpha should be by distance to node, as if you're a foot away from the bottom, you would be able to see it easilt if there was light.
21:41 Doyousketch2 should be relatively easy
21:42 rarkenin It would require changes to the 3d scene preparation code, and possibly even a hint of shaders.
21:42 rarkenin It would be a  cool shader for when in liquid, though.
21:42 Doyousketch2 no no, just need to know the environment water level
21:43 Doyousketch2 and then do those two things.  if player is at water level alpha = 40 and viscosity = 1
21:43 Doyousketch2 if player is at say -50 water level, then alpha = 200 and visc = 3
21:44 Doyousketch2 just work it out from there, like they do the light table perhaps
21:49 rarkenin No, this wouldn't be fully realistic, since even at -50, alpha to a node 2 meters away should be low.
21:49 rarkenin It would require shaders or extreme changes to the rendering code since Irrlicht is set to just draw a rectangle with one color at the moment.
21:49 rarkenin Perhaps a (volume) shader could do the trick.
21:52 paxcoder gonna do this in decode_light: return (LIGHT_MAX + light_decode_table[light]) / 2;
21:53 paxcoder that's keeping the ratios the same, but making everything at least as bright as LIGHT_MAX/2
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21:58 rarkenin paxcoder: I think that may cause an overflow since LIGHT_MAX is 255, but light values are stored as u8, which can store a value no higher than 255.
21:58 paxcoder i don't see the prob
21:59 paxcoder alternatively, this is guaranteed to need only 8 bits at all times:  LIGHT_MAX/2 + light_decode_table[light]/2
21:59 paxcoder but shouldn't C++ be smart enough to do the arithmetic in something larger in the first case?
22:00 paxcoder or do you mean 128*2 = 256?
22:01 paxcoder because 255/2 = 127.5 should be rounded down, right?
22:01 paxcoder rarkenin
22:01 Doyousketch2 rarenken, I've changed the alpha values in water.  40 looks great at top.  crystal clear, sun shining through.
22:01 Doyousketch2 it defaults to 160, which is ok, but if you do alpha 200 then it looks super thick.
22:01 rarkenin OK.
22:02 rarkenin paxcoder: yes?
22:02 paxcoder rarkenin, i don't see where it could overflow
22:02 paxcoder rarkenin, see above
22:04 rarkenin Ah, I see that now. But it'll get rounded...
22:04 rarkenin And I didn;t notce you dividing light_max by 2.
22:04 rarkenin Just subtract % more for safety.
22:04 rarkenin *5 more
22:05 paxcoder heh, why 5?
22:09 paxcoder owait
22:09 paxcoder LIGHT_MAX isn't 255
22:09 paxcoder it's 14
22:09 paxcoder gonna put explicit 255
22:10 paxcoder LIGHT_MAX is just an index of 255 in light_decode_table
22:11 Doyousketch2 light max it technically 0 - 15.  0 is off, 15 reserved is sun.  14 is max for objects.
22:11 paxcoder wonder why changing client.cpp recompiles only that file, but changing light.h recompiles everything
22:11 paxcoder Doyousketch2, oh right. LIGHT_SUN is 255, LIGHT_MAX is 200
22:11 PilzAdam paxcoder, because light.h is included in everything and client.cpp not?
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22:12 paxcoder PilzAdam, hmm
22:13 paxcoder ok, final version hopefully: return (light_decode_table[LIGHT_MAX] + light_decode_table[light]) / 2;
22:13 paxcoder (i don't want it as bright as the sun :-P)
22:13 paxcoder wait that doesn't make sense
22:13 paxcoder sun is also in the table
22:13 PilzAdam paxcoder, what are you trying to do?
22:13 paxcoder LIGHT_SUN then
22:13 paxcoder PilzAdam, lighten things up :-P
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22:26 jordan4ibanez Can we set the player's velocity now?
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22:27 Kacey yep
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22:27 PilzAdam no
22:28 Kacey i thought we could
22:28 paxcoder yes, it's shiny
22:28 paxcoder bb torches awww yiss
22:31 aheinecke is there a minetest mailing list or is communication just done in the board?
22:31 PilzAdam we dont have a mailing list
22:31 PilzAdam most discussion is done at #minetest-dev
22:32 aheinecke PilzAdam: thanks
22:39 Taoki http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83662#p83662
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22:42 jordan4ibanez I wish we could add in videos with bbcode
22:43 jordan4ibanez That's cook taoki!
22:43 jordan4ibanez cool*
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23:08 PilzAdam bye
23:14 jordan4ibanez goodbye
23:14 jordan4ibanez I wish we had mesh support for nodes
23:17 rarkenin It would be quite useful.
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23:40 ShadowNinja anyone feel like helping me get irrlicht to link? I am not quite an expert at this but I tried -lIrrlicht
23:44 khonkhortisan use cmake-gui if you have it
23:45 khonkhortisan there's two variables for irrlicht
23:45 khonkhortisan IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR and IRRLICHT_LIBRARY (and IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR)
23:45 ShadowNinja This is a ~5 line test program I wrote, now minetest btw
23:46 ShadowNinja not*
23:57 paxcoder who's 313hummer?

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