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00:00 mauvebic honestly if it looks awful out of the box im not interested lol
00:00 GhostlyDeath What is the crafting for mesa, gold, and copper?
00:00 Sketch2 "twm??"
00:00 mauvebic ahhh, thats better, awn ram usage: 0.42%
00:00 mauvebic better than 50% lol
00:00 Exio i'm using 1400/4000 atm :P
00:01 Kacey hi Menche
00:01 Menche hi
00:02 Sketch2 if it means "tiny window manager," I'd have to agree.  fewer resources eaten up is good
00:02 Kacey i think i am banned on your server
00:02 Menche you're not in the ipban.txt
00:02 Kacey i cant connect
00:02 Exio Sketch2: tilling
00:02 Exio dwm, i3, awesome, ??, etc
00:03 Menche twm isn't tiling
00:03 Exio for saying a few ones
00:03 Sketch2 oh, so it can overlap windows and multitask
00:03 Exio i didn't mean twm as wm, i meant twm as tilling window manager :P
00:03 Menche ok
00:03 tripod i like monsterwm and xmonad
00:04 tripod aweosme used to be good because too bloated imo
00:05 Menche i use i3
00:05 * Hwkiller uses spectrwm
00:05 Hwkiller formerly scrotwm
00:05 Menche Kacey: the server had crashed, try again
00:05 Menche whoa griefing
00:05 Kacey where?
00:06 Menche the mall, it's horrible
00:06 Sketch2 have XFCE on the laptop and the P4.  Gnome classic on the Dual-core
00:07 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #92 from khonkhortisan/lazypull c08e868be2 2013-04-07T17:05:39-07:00 http://git.io/b4RPHw
00:08 Hwkiller man, I love that feeling when you've been digging down for so long then finally come across a cave
00:09 Sketch2 yeah, some of the deep caves are enormous
00:10 Hwkiller indeed; I just found a giant one
00:11 Hwkiller are deeper caves larger?
00:11 Sketch2 some of 'em seem to be
00:11 Hwkiller I wonder how many caves there tend to be per area
00:11 telek So where's the dark elf and underdark mods? :D
00:12 Sketch2 you mean like elf looking skins?
00:12 GhostlyDeath Can mese be smelted?
00:13 Exio into mesecons
00:15 GhostlyDeath heheheh
00:15 GhostlyDeath I got mese blocks now
00:15 GhostlyDeath since I found like 200 mese crystals
00:15 Hwkiller are fragments useful?
00:15 GhostlyDeath I made 14 mese blocks
00:16 GhostlyDeath I got useless mese crystals
00:16 GhostlyDeath crystal fragment
00:16 GhostlyDeath oh well
00:17 GhostlyDeath mese pick axe is nice
00:17 Hwkiller so crystals -> blocks?
00:19 Sketch2 RealBadAngel, got your LuaJIT enabled minetest to compile run on laptop.  bootup is almost instant
00:20 GhostlyDeath yes
00:20 RealBadAngel good
00:20 Sketch2 well, then again, that was just minimal, no mods enabled, so that might not mean much.  just seemed fast compared to what I'm used to
00:20 GhostlyDeath and blocks -> crystals
00:20 GhostlyDeath crystals make tools
00:21 RealBadAngel Sketch2, more complex mods, and more of them you will feel greater difference
00:21 telek How does rollback work?
00:21 Sketch2 cool.  will have to try it out on desktop when it's completed it's VirtualBox thing
00:22 telek Oh nevermind I don't have a log for it.
00:22 Hwkiller hm, my carts keep duplicating themselves
00:22 Hwkiller lol
00:22 Hwkiller I started with 1 cart; I have 7 now
00:23 Exio i think that is a good answer of why they aren't in default, no?
00:24 Menche isn't minetest great at handling entities? :)
00:24 Menche if you leave that mapblock, they disappear and come back later randomly
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00:29 sokomine entities are strange, yes
00:30 telek Dirt nodes are considered combustable by the fire mod?
00:32 khonkhortisan that seems like a bad thing
00:33 khonkhortisan Dig under the grass, burn the dirt layer under it, have a very large sinkhole
00:34 khonkhortisan I had carts suddenly reverse direction at multiple places along a long powered rail
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00:44 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSueEm2Cw28 woah.
00:46 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82386#p82386
00:46 jojoa1997|Tablet Can anyone help
00:46 Doyousketch2 yeah, you know - this blows.
00:47 Doyousketch2 VirtualBox is running at 0%
00:47 Doyousketch2 I've been sitting here waiting on this stupid thing for 2 hrs
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00:48 Doyousketch2 meh.  yeah, I got a few mins.  what is it jojoa?
00:48 jojoa1997|Tablet Could you compile minetest for android
00:48 jojoa1997|Tablet I really want tro test it
00:48 Doyousketch2 oh, well, I might be able to point them in the right direction
00:49 jojoa1997|Tablet Sfan5 has done it but won't even try to run minetest
00:50 telek Interact and build privs: Do both actually work or is interact still tied to building?
00:52 jojoa1997|Tablet Anyone else have an android
00:53 telek Hey what mod is the fire in?
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00:54 telek ....
00:54 telek The fire mod is part of minetest_game now?
00:54 telek Ugh
00:55 jojoa1997|Tablet No it is fire in commons
00:55 jojoa1997|Tablet They need to document how to change the mods in defaulr
00:55 telek No kidding
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00:56 telek It eats dirt squares.
00:56 Menche in game.conf
00:56 telek I just lost the ground under all my buildings.
00:56 telek So now I've got some 1 block high hovering buildings thanks to that.
00:56 telek Plus lots of other nodes that should've been combustable but since they were in mods, aren't.
00:57 telek Can you override internal mods with mods in the worldmods dir?
00:57 Doyousketch2 yeah, I've got an Anroid tablet I was gonna let my kid play minetest on if I could convert it over
01:00 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: compiling stuff for android is not just "make" or anything
01:01 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: having stuff working for other arch is a PITA, if it even works out-of-the-box, what will not happen
01:01 Doyousketch2 right.  you have to rewrite all the cmake files so they point to stand-alone copies that have to be open for all OS's to read
01:01 Exio no that
01:02 Doyousketch2 stand alone copies of the libraries I mean.  the dependancies
01:02 Doyousketch2 they can't be OS dependant
01:02 jojoa1997|Tablet What I am saying is
01:02 Exio the code it self isn't "prepared" for a touch-like interface
01:02 jojoa1997|Tablet He won't even try minetest just to try it. Also he made his examples and those cpoukd be coded wrong
01:02 jojoa1997|Tablet I know but
01:03 jojoa1997|Tablet First step is to get it working
01:03 Doyousketch2 oh, well you can plug in a mouse and a keyboard.  I do it on my ViewSonic Gtablet
01:03 Exio do you even think those examples will not work but a GAME will work?
01:03 jojoa1997|Tablet Also I can test movement working since I have a keyboard
01:03 jojoa1997|Tablet Bluetooth one
01:03 jojoa1997|Tablet http://sfan5.dyndns.org/IrrlichtExample01-debug.apk
01:03 Exio do they work?
01:05 Doyousketch2 Unable to connect.  Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at sfan5.dyndns.org.
01:05 Menche got that too
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01:13 Doc22 hey
01:13 Doyousketch2 I'm sure it's do-able, and if there's an easy way to do it, I'd be on it
01:13 Doc22 howsitgoin
01:14 Exio Doc22: of what?
01:15 Doc22 just in general
01:15 Exio compiling a pc game to android?
01:15 Exio err, Doyousketch2 *
01:15 Doyousketch2 yea
01:15 Exio sorry doc22 :P
01:15 Doc22 lol ok
01:15 Doc22 np
01:15 Exio and hi
01:15 Doc22 hi
01:15 Doc22 soo bored
01:16 Kacey back
01:16 Doc22 hey kacey
01:16 Doc22 :D
01:16 Doc22 long time no see
01:17 Kacey lol
01:17 Doyousketch2 discovered where I screwed up in VirtualBox.  aparently there's a checkbox for LiveCD that I didn't tick
01:17 Doc22 how are ya
01:17 Kacey in lots of trouble recently
01:17 Kacey got a new laptop
01:17 Doc22 what kind?
01:18 Doc22 that sounds nice
01:18 Doc22 what kind is it
01:18 Kacey asus
01:18 Doc22 nice
01:18 Doc22 the only laptop i have is a 300$ mini laptop
01:18 Kacey i like my old acer netbook though
01:18 Doc22 so why are you in trouble and what are the restriction
01:18 Doc22 yeah i wouldnt know i dont have any acers
01:19 Kacey a little aspire one
01:19 Doc22 ok
01:19 Doc22 am i asking too much?
01:19 Doyousketch2 I had a friend who had 4 Acers.  I tweaked 'em out.  they did ok.
01:19 Kacey but this one is huge compared to the netbook
01:20 Kacey but the mouse is tiny
01:20 Doc22 ill take that as yes...
01:20 Kacey haha my lag graph thing is bouncing to the beat of this song
01:21 Doyousketch2 lag graph on what?
01:21 Kacey XChat
01:22 Doyousketch2 oh, I dunno how to pull that up.  maybe it's not on this one
01:22 Kacey Scatman scatting drives it mad
01:22 Doc22 .lol
01:22 Doc22 heh
01:22 Kacey view - network meters - graph
01:22 Kacey it appears under the userlist
01:22 Doyousketch2 ah, ok
01:23 Doyousketch2 might have to pull the source-code apart and see if we can put that into minetest
01:24 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Add param2 field for ores, some minor fixes and misc. code cleanup 7c0e707cf1 2013-04-07T18:21:54-07:00 http://git.io/ZbH2hQ
01:24 Kacey hmmmm, lol more params?
01:26 Doyousketch2 we need some parameters for slippery.  so you slide down rooftops
01:27 Kacey lol
01:27 Doyousketch2 you like that one, don't-cha?
01:27 ShadowNinja Kacey: it is for infinite springs with finite liquid
01:28 Doyousketch2 we'll make some playgrounds with real working swingsets and slides
01:28 ShadowNinja that would be great
01:29 Doyousketch2 and a parameter for rotation, so we can put in a merry-go-round
01:30 bas080 i was wondering. when are you considered a contributor worthy of the minetest contributor section?
01:30 ShadowNinja A commit within the last 6 months
01:30 Doyousketch2 you gotta jump through hoops and learn some stupid Git thing
01:30 bas080 a commit to what?
01:30 bas080 The core?
01:31 ShadowNinja minetest engine
01:31 mauvebic ill cheer when they come up with git UI that doesnt require learning curve lol
01:31 mauvebic even the dumbest picture sites have simple drag'n'drop
01:32 bas080 so no C++ no contributor?
01:32 ShadowNinja like git-cola or gitk?
01:32 ShadowNinja you can also contribute to builtin
01:33 mauvebic git-cola gitk? first i hear of either of these
01:33 Doyousketch2 think they make a blue pill that's called git-it-up
01:34 mauvebic lol
01:34 bas080 I'm sure my ideas implemented in mods of mine have sparked implementations to the builtin or atleast accelerated the process.
01:34 Menche or qgit
01:34 mauvebic lemme write these down
01:34 mauvebic done
01:35 Menche on my system, gitk comes with git
01:35 Kacey there is a git UI it is for windows
01:35 Kacey i use it
01:35 mauvebic well ive bitched about github a dozen times but no one ever mentionned there were simpler alternatives out there lol
01:35 mauvebic just told me to suck it up and learn it lol
01:35 mauvebic at which point i said github can suck it
01:35 mauvebic :P
01:35 Doyousketch2 CodeLite has Git integration as well
01:36 mauvebic sounds like an IDE
01:36 Doc22 loo
01:36 Doc22 lol
01:36 Doyousketch2 it is.  does alright
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01:36 mauvebic not crazy about IDE's
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01:36 mauvebic takes more resources than a blueray movie lol
01:36 ShadowNinja vim :-)
01:36 Doyousketch2 huh, didn't have that prob with this one
01:36 * Menche uses vim
01:36 mauvebic i tried eclipse once
01:37 mauvebic then i had it taken behind the chemical shed and shot
01:37 ShadowNinja me too, works but it is very heavy
01:38 mauvebic and the whole concept of apps running in little virtual boxes soured me on android dev
01:38 Doyousketch2 hunger is setting in.
01:38 ShadowNinja I don't develop for android because it uses java
01:38 mauvebic that too
01:39 ShadowNinja the hello world example is like 20 lines
01:39 mauvebic besides, theres nothing that hasn't been done at this point
01:40 Doyousketch2 lols.  I miss the days of the Commodore64.  you could code that in like 20 characters
01:40 mauvebic wasting my time on iOS with their strict guidelines was a no-go either
01:40 Doyousketch2 10 Print "Hello World"
01:40 mauvebic almost sounds like basic
01:40 Doyousketch2 lols yea it is
01:41 mauvebic no wonder i recognized it lol
01:42 mauvebic BEEP command lol
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01:42 Doyousketch2 friggin' sonofa grrr
01:42 JesseH I think the time has come...to REALLY get into minetest
01:42 Doyousketch2 stupid VirtualBox crashed after install
01:43 mauvebic yeah thats always oodles of fun to setup lol
01:43 mauvebic and everyone's gone virtualbox-crazy this year lol
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01:44 * JesseH needs a good non-laggy server to play on
01:45 MichaelEh Hmm.. Vanessa's is good but I've tried to log on now with no luck.
01:45 JesseH preferably with not a lot of people also
01:45 telek Players can end up upside down?
01:45 MichaelEh what you planning to build?
01:46 VanessaE MichaelEh: my server is down temporarily while I sort out a problem with moretrees.
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01:46 JesseH MichaelEh, first to learn about the game, play a little, then start working on a mod
01:46 MichaelEh local mode?
01:46 Dopium Hi can anyone help me log into minetest.net it keeps saying it thinks im a bot
01:46 JesseH Well, theres a reason I want to play with other people
01:47 mauvebic weird, the real bots get through lol
01:47 MichaelEh I ususally  use local mode to work out some design details
01:47 Doyousketch2 I kinda hate VirtualBox.  it's slow, but I'm hoping to start up Debian Wheezy, then put on the ClusterDebian package, minetest, plus all the dependancies
01:47 Doyousketch2 and make it into a Live disk that anyone can try out
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01:47 Dopium Tried change my pasword and deleted cookies ect but still does it
01:47 MichaelEh vanessa's server down but it is the best... redcrab.  Avoid gameboom since it's gone PvP survival
01:48 ShadowNinja VanessaE: did you see my post about my bot?
01:48 telek Doyousketch2: VB supposedly still beats the alternatives unless you have good vt/kvm support.
01:48 VanessaE ShadowNinja: yeah, sorry I was busy
01:48 telek VanessaE: Did you know the fire mod eats dirt too? :D
01:48 MichaelEh finally got One's Cathedra file to work.
01:49 VanessaE telek: good thing I don't use it :)
01:49 ShadowNinja well you can also have it join if MinetestBot leaves with !join #minetest
01:49 telek VanessaE: You use the minimal mod?
01:49 VanessaE no
01:49 sokomine cathedra file?
01:49 telek Just manually disable it then?
01:49 MichaelEh One's Cathedra from the late gameboom map
01:49 Menche One's Cathedral? I remember seeing a building called that on some old server
01:49 Menche oh, it was gameboo
01:49 Menche m
01:50 mauvebic sweet, one more ship left to go
01:50 ShadowNinja if someone feels like coding something now a config option to disable fire would be nice, I can't code atm
01:50 Dopium No one knows why it says im a bot? I dont even know what bots do....
01:50 mauvebic remove the fire mod
01:50 mauvebic or disable all the abm's if you want fireplaces
01:50 MichaelEh had to work from old pics but the real problem was worldedit didn't like saving it whole
01:50 Menche delete it from the game.conf
01:51 Menche then it won't be loaded
01:51 MichaelEh campfire sheds no light.
01:51 mauvebic so use fire w/o the abms
01:51 ShadowNinja Menche:I know, but a config option would be nice for easy upgrades
01:52 mauvebic g'luck, took two weeks to get an option for legacy fly mode :p
01:52 Dopium wtf
01:53 MichaelEh Actually I was going to suggest VanessaE that somehow leaves from MoreTrees can be used to make rope and plastic.
01:53 VanessaE rope I don't know about, but leaves -> plastic would be easy enough to code.  I'll do that later after I sort this out.
01:53 MichaelEh Can it be alias to just generic leaves?
01:53 VanessaE it just needs a one line change to homedecor
01:54 MichaelEh silver_ingot works in locked chests.
01:54 Doyousketch2 ShadowNinja, if you really need it, I'll make a note of it and see if I can code one in tonight or tomorrow morning.
01:54 mauvebic is it like real rope or more squareish looking?
01:54 mauvebic cuz my boats could use some
01:54 MichaelEh moreblocks has rope
01:54 mauvebic yeah but what does it look like?
01:54 MichaelEh just a cheap version of the ladder
01:54 mauvebic boats have ropes that curve
01:55 mauvebic not up and down
01:55 mauvebic or side to side
01:55 bas080 This isn't a playground? :(
01:55 mauvebic ?
01:56 ShadowNinja Doyousketch2: that would be great
01:56 mauvebic real rope would prolly require node-specific fizziks
01:57 bas080 and the reverse of a falling node
01:57 bas080 not exactly yhe reverse.
01:57 MichaelEh Thinking of hacking locked_signs to include MoreOres materials to make plaques. Including a clear sign.
01:57 bas080 and you have to be able to keep standing on it.
01:58 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#R3mT6ieQ
01:58 mauvebic well, ropes have tension, ropes can be tied around things to pull them, etc.
01:58 mauvebic none of it easy to do right now
01:58 bas080 defibrillator
01:59 bas080 Billy... Take Me to The River fish
01:59 MichaelEh MoreBlocks rope is simply a ladder with different texture.
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01:59 bas080 and a whoopie cushin
02:00 MichaelEh Farming/farming_plus has string which could be used for that
02:00 Kacey night all
02:00 bas080 Making a platform that can be pulled upwards might be able to do
02:01 MichaelEh So much that can be done... not enough time which might add more bloat than use
02:01 mauvebic main problem right now seems to be overbloat lol
02:01 Doyousketch2 you know, I wish there was a simple version file in every download of minetest.
02:01 mauvebic what do you mean?
02:02 MichaelEh What about mesecons moveblock?
02:02 MinetestBot GIT:  commited to minetest/minetest: fix 3d model mesh leak 3b684d306c 2013-04-07T18:51:35-07:00 http://git.io/zc4jDA
02:02 bas080 vertical moveblocks have not been done?
02:02 Doyousketch2 like version.txt and it simply says "minetest 0.4.6" inside it
02:02 mauvebic oh that
02:02 mauvebic yeah it used to contain a date with it too
02:02 MichaelEh nite all
02:02 mauvebic was practical for knowing exactly which git we were running
02:03 MichaelEh QUIT
02:03 MichaelEh ack
02:03 mauvebic nite
02:03 Doyousketch2 yeah.  I've got like 8 minetest dirs, and it sux having to bounce between 'em all
02:03 mauvebic you dont wanna see my desktop with all the folder compiles lol
02:03 MichaelEh what is the command to quit here?
02:03 mauvebic though if i didnt do that, i would have borked my map
02:04 Doyousketch2 Alt-F4
02:04 mauvebic the little X in the corner?
02:04 Menche quit the channel? /part #minetest quit message
02:04 MichaelEh thanks
02:04 MichaelEh left #minetest
02:04 Doyousketch2 used to use that as a prank to people in chats.  Tap Alt-F4 to become Admin!
02:05 Doyousketch2 would laugh when half the room would disappear
02:05 mauvebic rm rf / lol
02:06 Menche maybe i should have put "quit message" in parentheses or brackets, he must have thought it was part of the cmd
02:09 mauvebic shit me, the ocean liner spawned 1 node away from the sea wall lol
02:15 telek mauvebic: Did you name it the Costa Concordia? :D
02:15 mauvebic naw not interested in modern boats
02:16 mauvebic im talking white star, cunard, uboats, battleships lol
02:16 sokomine ah, a white star. fine
02:16 telek =p Well Titanic would be a fine name as well :D
02:16 mauvebic that one's nearly done on the exterior
02:17 tripod anyone see the colombia minecraft vid
02:17 tripod or w/e it was
02:17 tripod based on bioshock infinite
02:17 tripod was badass
02:18 mauvebic dun ring any bells :/
02:19 mauvebic i stopped watching MC vids when my last map became a mish-mash of styles lol
02:19 sokomine of what kind of styles?
02:20 mauvebic all of them lol
02:20 sokomine ah :-)
02:21 mauvebic new map has an area for city, an area for spaceships, and a docklands area
02:23 jordan4ibanez this http://i.imgur.com/aP4HU4T.png
02:23 jordan4ibanez or this http://i.imgur.com/zmYb53c.png
02:25 mauvebic the first
02:26 mauvebic seconds' not easy on ye olde eyes
02:26 jordan4ibanez as much as I thought
02:28 jordan4ibanez now the first or this http://i.imgur.com/IQTl1WX.png
02:28 mauvebic still have to say 1st
02:28 mauvebic though, im on an LED-backlight screen, might not look the same on ACL or CRT
02:30 jordan4ibanez Normal bricks look rather dull
02:30 mauvebic ive never seen normal bricks that look the the default ones tho
02:31 jordan4ibanez Yeah exactly, they look almost, purple
02:33 mauvebic default ones should be brown
02:33 MinetestBot GIT:  commited to minetest/minetest: fix memory leak on shader shutdown 2bdff11d54 2013-04-07T19:30:29-07:00 http://git.io/rqokLg
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02:34 jordan4ibanez I think they should be red
02:35 jordan4ibanez any thing but purple though
02:35 jordan4ibanez even tan
02:36 jordan4ibanez I wonder if I can make terrain generation through lua with singlenode generation lol
02:37 Doc22 something that I think would be cool is random structures such as castles and dungeons, mine shafts, etc
02:38 jordan4ibanez sokomine, what mod spawned villages?
02:38 jordan4ibanez or houses
02:38 Menche villages?
02:39 Menche villages mod spawned extremely rare houses and watchtowers
02:40 jordan4ibanez no we were talking about a mod that spawned houses a couple days ago or so, and sokomine brought a mod up
02:41 mauvebic sokomines and cornernote's
02:41 jordan4ibanez can you link them?
02:41 mauvebic dont have the links but theyre on the forums
02:43 mauvebic though, last i heard sokomine was having trouble w/ world edit and buildings not spawning whole
02:56 MinetestBot GIT:  commited to minetest/minetest: fix inventory image texture leak abe74ea5ea 2013-04-07T19:54:00-07:00 http://git.io/tOt56A
03:01 Doc22 i am stumped about how the code generates trees across into ungenerated chunks
03:02 Doc22 wouldnt it just give the error for unloaded chunk when you generated a leaf into the unloaded/generated chunk?
03:03 Doc22 and if it loaded the chunks it generated into
03:03 Doc22 it wold spark infinite loop
03:03 Doc22 because trees would just go everywhere
03:03 Doc22 tree generates chunk a and b
03:03 Doc22 which loads b
03:03 Doc22 which loads c
03:04 Doc22 which loads d
03:04 Doc22 how does the engine handle that
03:05 Doc22 VanessaE, what class in the source handles setting blocks in chunks
03:05 Doc22 like returning the error if a chunk isnt loaded
03:05 Doc22 I have been struggling with this concept ever since i understood procedural terrain generation
03:05 VanessaE dunno, I always look for "ignore" when I am about to set a node that may be in unloaded space
03:06 Doc22 so how do you handle that, like wouldnt it cut off trees
03:06 VanessaE but if you're using on_generated(), theoretically you will never actually get an unloaded chunk
03:06 Doc22 part of it
03:06 Doc22 i dont understand...
03:06 Doc22 what if it generates a tree on the edge of a generated chunk
03:06 VanessaE oh that, hmmmm will have to explain, I'm still a little fuzzy on it.
03:07 Doc22 couldnt the chunk next to it be unloaded?
03:07 Doc22 and for things like buildings
03:07 Doc22 if you walked to it
03:07 Doc22 and then it loads and generates into a previously generated chunk
03:08 hmmmm the client makes a blank block full of CONTENT_IGNORE if it doesn't exist and it still hadn't gotten that block from the server
03:08 Doc22 so wouldnt that chop off part of the tree
03:08 Doc22 because it never gets set
03:09 hmmmm when a chunk of map gets generated, a border of blocks that isn't to be generated is also included
03:09 hmmmm so when chunksize is 5, it actually grabs a (5 + 2)^3 cube of mapblocks but only generates the center 5*5*5
03:09 Doc22 so it loads some of the blocks around it
03:09 Doc22 ok
03:10 Doc22 hmm
03:10 Doc22 so loads em but doesnt generate em?
03:10 hmmmm we count on discretely placed structures never extending more than 16 nodes outside of the edge of the chunk being generated
03:10 hmmmm right
03:10 Doc22 ok
03:10 Doc22 i see that
03:10 Doc22 helps a lot :)
03:10 Doc22 thank
03:10 Doc22 you
03:11 bas080 ShadowNinja, if it is required to get merged in order to be in the minetest credits. How come VanessaE is in the credits?
03:14 Doc22 so, theoretically, if you had a larger structure that had to be generated inside a chunk, you could increase the size of the border around the chunk?
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03:27 JesseH What are some cool mods
03:28 Doc22 technic
03:28 Doc22 pilzadam's farming mod
03:28 Doc22 my farming mod
03:28 Doc22 vanessae's pipeworks mod
03:28 Doc22 vines and ropes
03:28 JesseH I was thinking of working on a farming mod, or a gun mod
03:28 Doc22 got ideas?
03:29 JesseH The farming mod, would be semi realistic Marijuana farming
03:29 Doc22 hmm
03:29 VanessaE fwiw, my server is back up and running again.
03:29 JesseH gun mod? Haven't thought on it much
03:29 Doc22 yeah
03:29 Doc22 i dont know much about entity
03:29 JesseH well, creating an actual bullet entity that traveled fast would be  a waste of speed
03:29 Doc22 yeah
03:30 Menche someone, i believe kaeza, made a firearms mod
03:30 Doc22 maybe lazers
03:30 Doc22 kewl
03:30 Menche the guns actually shoot entity bullets
03:30 JesseH Is it slow?
03:30 Menche and has bazookas and rocket launchers
03:30 Menche it works fine
03:30 JesseH well I was talking more fast guns
03:30 Doc22 like realistic firing?
03:30 JesseH but something like a rocket launcher I could see why
03:30 JesseH yeah
03:30 Doc22 200 feet per sec
03:30 Menche and a pistol, assault rifle, and shotgun
03:31 Doc22 >:3
03:31 Menche kinda hard to hit players with the pistol and rifle
03:31 sdzen no pistol whipping then?
03:31 JesseH lol
03:31 Doc22 i made chains mod, docfarming, campfires mod, and camo mod
03:32 Doc22 and i think one more
03:32 Doc22 just look at my signature on forums
03:32 Doc22 im Doc on forums
03:32 JesseH well the marijuana growing mod would be for more lax play
03:32 Doc22 but Doc22 on irc
03:32 JesseH Some form of buying and selling system would make it more fun
03:32 Doc22 i honestly think that a hunger games mod would be cool
03:32 Doc22 but
03:32 JesseH having a shop to actually spend money on and what not
03:32 Doc22 i dont know how to get the world to regenerate
03:33 Doc22 and there is a shops mod
03:33 JesseH okay good
03:33 JesseH also I could work in some effects if one were to smoke the dried buds
03:33 JesseH :P
03:34 Doc22 ok
03:34 JesseH however, I wonder how much it would take to create something like ace of spades
03:34 JesseH from minetest :P
03:35 Doc22 i dont know but why?
03:35 Doc22 just play aos if thats what you want
03:35 JesseH Something open source
03:35 JesseH :)
03:36 Doc22 yeah
03:36 sdzen ace of spades isnt free anymore
03:36 JesseH that is the reason
03:36 sdzen :(
03:36 sdzen not hard
03:36 sdzen just some good weapons
03:36 JesseH I don't blame people for wanting to eat...but damn...
03:36 sdzen needed
03:36 * JesseH has never bought a game.
03:36 Doc22 lol
03:37 JesseH and all mine are opensource
03:37 Doc22 how many do you have
03:37 JesseH a few long gone, unpublished
03:37 Doc22 hmm
03:37 JesseH 2 in the works
03:37 * Menche has only ever bought minecraft and starcraft2, and rarely plays either
03:37 Doc22 look up starforge
03:38 * sdzen has bought starcraft1 and sim city classic
03:38 mauvebic wow, coulda dl'ed those easy lol
03:38 Doc22 ive bought roller coaster tycoon, roller coaster tycoon 2, roller coaster tycoon 3, locomotion,
03:39 Doc22 stronghold collection,
03:39 Doc22 and about 10 wii games
03:39 Doc22 several nintendo ds games
03:39 Doc22 lol
03:39 sdzen oh including console games?
03:39 JesseH I would start on the mod if there was demand :P
03:39 Doc22 eahh
03:39 Doc22 idk
03:39 mauvebic console games id need an emu
03:39 Doc22 i want to make hunger games mod
03:39 JesseH I just don't see too many people wanting to play AoS that havent already gave in and bought it
03:39 mauvebic wife plays classic nintendo games on the emulator
03:39 JesseH Doc22, actually yeah that would be cool too
03:39 Doc22 VanessaE how would you regenerate a chunk
03:40 Doc22 yeah i want to make one a lot
03:40 VanessaE Doc22: you'd have to delete it from the map database file.
03:40 Doc22 like for regenerating the map
03:40 JesseH Doc22, I've played some minecraft hungergame mod, like those?
03:40 Doc22 soo how would i do that in lua
03:40 VanessaE you don't.
03:40 Doc22 hmm
03:40 VanessaE there's no hook for that yet
03:40 Doc22 so i would have to do source
03:40 Doc22 ok
03:40 Doc22 thanks vanessae
03:40 JesseH dont give up the thought yet
03:40 Doc22 yeah
03:40 Menche someone mentioned manually deleting part of the database
03:40 JesseH What's your goal?
03:40 Doc22 load ma
03:40 Doc22 map
03:40 Doc22 with spawn in part of it
03:40 JesseH so reload a map
03:41 Doc22 then run it
03:41 Doc22 have spectator area
03:41 JesseH map generation or a single map
03:41 Doc22 maybe spectator status
03:41 Doc22 single map
03:41 JesseH I know that lua has binding to work with databases
03:41 JesseH This could be a fun project
03:41 JesseH bindings*
03:41 Doc22 yeah
03:41 JesseH Unless you want to do it :P
03:41 mauvebic cant you access db's with lua?
03:41 Doc22 i started it once but i never really got into it
03:42 JesseH mauvebic, Pretty much all major databases, there is some form of lua binding for
03:42 Doc22 i never knew how to regen the map with different seed
03:42 JesseH Doc22, you familiar with github?
03:42 Doc22 yes kinda
03:42 Doc22 but im also kinda a newb with it
03:42 JesseH Well I could set one up
03:42 Doc22 the extent of my knowledge is to put a mod on github
03:43 JesseH as long as you know how to make pull requests
03:43 JesseH and fork
03:43 JesseH and pull and push etc
03:43 JesseH commit
03:43 JesseH blarg
03:43 Doc22 fork is to make another version of it right?
03:43 JesseH theres a button on the github website
03:43 Doc22 pull is to get the code
03:43 JesseH know how to branch?
03:43 khonkhortisan split remote into pull/push, squash commits, rebase, move commits between branches
03:43 Doc22 and push is to request the code to be changed
03:43 Doc22 and yes i do
03:43 khonkhortisan stash
03:44 JesseH khonkhortisan, not that yet :P
03:44 Doc22 i dont quite understand it
03:44 khonkhortisan push is to change the code remotely, you're thinking of pull request
03:44 Doc22 where is good documentation?
03:44 JesseH google probably has something
03:44 Doc22 eahh im just wondering if there is something someone reccomends
03:44 JesseH don't quote me I just discovered internet yesterday
03:45 Doc22 lol
03:45 JesseH im just trolling ya :P
03:45 Doc22 ik
03:45 JesseH no offense
03:45 Doc22 im joking too
03:45 JesseH ,3
03:45 Doc22 playing along :P
03:45 JesseH <#
03:45 Doc22 thats how i am
03:45 JesseH xD
03:45 JesseH http://try.github.io/levels/1/challenges/1
03:45 JesseH got 15 minutes?
03:45 JesseH and want to learn git?
03:45 JesseH :P
03:45 khonkhortisan I learned about git whenever I couldn't get it to do what I wanted
03:45 JesseH khonkhortisan you 2 prah for meh
03:46 JesseH xD
03:46 JesseH Doc22, if you and I are the only ones who want a hunger games mod, then it might not be worth the effort.
03:46 Doc22 yeah
03:46 Doc22 if i had something to show
03:46 JesseH Just a concept really
03:46 Doc22 then it may attract people
03:46 JesseH if someone cant use their imagination then f them :P
03:46 Doc22 the extent of what i did is make trees uneditable
03:46 JesseH that is only for irc-ers though
03:46 Doc22 yeah
03:47 Doc22 the problem is
03:47 MinetestBot GIT:  commited to minetest/minetest: fix memory leak on sound shutdown e7247c1a66 2013-04-07T20:43:34-07:00 http://git.io/9XrOvA
03:47 Doc22 how realistic should it be
03:47 JesseH You cant get wood from trees? ?!!?!
03:47 Doc22 idk
03:47 Doc22 sticks
03:47 Doc22 then wood
03:47 Doc22 i was thinking making it uneditable
03:47 * JesseH turns up music
03:47 JesseH :/
03:47 Doc22 but im just stupid like that O:L
03:47 JesseH xD
03:47 JesseH I want to add scriptable robots xD
03:48 Doc22 yeah
03:48 Doc22 something like the computercraft mod for minecrap would be cool
03:48 khonkhortisan Use lua for the robots
03:48 Doc22 (no that is not a typo)
03:48 JesseH khonkhortisan, always :)
03:48 JesseH I enjoyed minecraft :P
03:48 Doc22 i do too
03:48 NotReallyNick Yay!
03:48 JesseH xD
03:48 * NotReallyNick 's favourite new features are usually bug fixes
03:48 Doc22 i am 50/50 between minetest and minecraft
03:49 Doc22 but i like minetest's community better
03:49 JesseH well the last time I played minetest, the servers all lagged, and I got some memory leakage
03:49 JesseH oh yeah I do too
03:49 JesseH its open source
03:49 JesseH uses lua
03:49 Doc22 yeah
03:49 JesseH what more could a hobbyist ask for
03:49 Doc22 all that good stuff
03:49 Doc22 ikr
03:49 JesseH I don't PLAY it much
03:49 JesseH but thats because I havent made any mods that I like yet
03:50 Doc22 minetest needs better performance
03:50 khonkhortisan I'm trying that challenge, and it wants me to commit -m
03:50 Doc22 hmm
03:50 JesseH commit -m "message"
03:50 Doc22 ...
03:50 Doc22 soo bored
03:50 khonkhortisan I always use my text editor for that
03:50 Doc22 doo dee dum
03:50 Doc22 dah doo deeee
03:51 Doc22 dit doo dahhhh
03:51 JesseH Doc22, why not work on that mod ?
03:51 Doc22 idk
03:51 JesseH Get to work ._.
03:51 Doc22 im too lazy right nauw
03:51 JesseH I'm not paying you for nothing
03:51 Doc22 ._.
03:51 Doc22 you arent paying me at all ._.
03:51 Doc22 :P:
03:51 Doc22 O:L
03:51 Doc22 whats this?
03:51 Doc22 a fly in my drink?
03:51 Doc22 I HATE FLIES
03:51 Doc22 DIEEEE
03:52 Doc22 DIEIEEEE
03:52 Doc22 HWAAAAA
03:52 khonkhortisan /whisper "backstroke"
03:52 Doc22 FLY SWATTER FOR YOU
03:52 Doc22 lo
03:52 Doc22 lol
03:52 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/85700524
03:52 Doc22 hey, anyone want a red bumper sticker shaped like a fly swatter?
03:52 Doc22 >:3
03:52 khonkhortisan mauve, that's really not what it's supposed to be used for
03:52 JesseH Doc22, i shall help you with your mod
03:52 mauvebic what is?
03:52 Doc22 im not actually working on it right now
03:53 khonkhortisan minetest loading fancy models
03:53 Doc22 im working on a video game
03:53 JesseH Doc22, oh well when you stop being lazy, I shall help you
03:53 JesseH and I am too, whatcha working on
03:53 mauvebic lol so what?
03:53 Doc22 voxel engine
03:53 Doc22 with auto updater etc
03:53 JesseH Doc22, oh? lua scripting?
03:53 Doc22 i got that down
03:53 Doc22 and no
03:53 Doc22 not lua
03:53 JesseH oh well im uninterested
03:53 Doc22 java
03:53 JesseH get lua and well talk
03:53 JesseH omg gtfo
03:53 JesseH go away
03:53 Doc22 uninterested
03:53 Doc22 lol
03:53 JesseH :(
03:53 khonkhortisan get luajit and we'll talk faster
03:53 JesseH :)
03:53 Doc22 thats what u said
03:53 JesseH <3 Lua
03:53 JesseH lua all the time
03:54 Doc22 lol
03:54 mauvebic people at MC use the same thing actually
03:54 JesseH luajit compares to c speeds ;) suck it
03:54 Doc22 i dont see why i would use it instead of java
03:54 mauvebic you didn't think they built everything by hand?
03:54 Doc22 im not at that point yet
03:54 JesseH java is about as fast, as something dead
03:54 JesseH something REALLY dead
03:54 JesseH like
03:54 JesseH you get it
03:54 Doc22 yeah
03:54 Doc22 ik
03:54 JesseH :P
03:54 Doc22 but i dont see why i want to use lua
03:54 Menche minetest runs fine on my netbook; minecraft lags on the start screen
03:54 Doc22 right now
03:54 JesseH Oh tell me moar about how its multiplatform
03:55 Doc22 because it would be simpler for me to have it with java
03:55 Doc22 oh ok
03:55 NotReallyNick Menche: Yeah, on my laptop too.
03:55 Doc22 well
03:55 JesseH I could write a voxel engine with lua + ogre faster then any java voxel engine :P
03:55 Doc22 its just multiplatform
03:55 Doc22 i know you could
03:55 JesseH xD
03:55 Doc22 but i just wanna make it java
03:55 Doc22 because
03:55 Doc22 it
03:55 JesseH Doc22, im just trolling you use whatever you want
03:55 Doc22 is
03:55 Doc22 easier
03:55 Doc22 and more powerful
03:55 JesseH because you understand it more
03:55 Doc22 in my opinion
03:55 Doc22 and i know you are
03:55 JesseH xD
03:55 Doc22 yeah
03:56 JesseH use whatever I love all languages
03:56 Doc22 yeah
03:56 JesseH except c#
03:56 Doc22 yeah
03:56 JesseH :P
03:56 Doc22 yeah
03:56 JesseH xD
03:56 Doc22 yeah
03:56 JesseH <3
03:56 Doc22 no
03:56 JesseH :(
03:56 JesseH too soon?
03:56 Doc22 yeah
03:56 Doc22 lol
03:56 JesseH what am i gonna do with this ring ;_;
03:57 Doc22 i gtg
03:57 Doc22 and im not gay...
03:57 * JesseH scared him off
03:57 JesseH :(
03:57 NotReallyNick Bye.
03:57 JesseH maybe im a sexy girl
03:57 JesseH you never know
03:57 Doc22 bye
03:58 JesseH bye
03:58 JesseH lol
03:58 mauvebic ugh this chat is hard to fllow, try stringing the ones into coherent sentences :P
03:58 NotReallyNick Meh. I'm to asexy to care.
03:58 mauvebic *follow
03:58 JesseH lol
03:58 mauvebic *ones = words lol
03:58 JesseH :P
03:58 JesseH whoooo are you
03:59 JesseH who who
03:59 JesseH who who
03:59 JesseH http://imgur.com/F0wIVef
03:59 JesseH made that a second ago
03:59 NotReallyNick Well, you may not know who I am, but you know who I'm not. I'm not Nick.
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03:59 Hwkiller there is no such thign as an iron ingot, right?
04:00 Menche right, they're called steel_ingot here
04:00 NotReallyNick In Minetest, there are steel ingots, but no iron ingots.
04:00 khonkhortisan http://imgur.com/gallery/1nbSf
04:07 khonkhortisan 1.19 I already knew what to type
04:10 Hwkiller a craft recipe calls for iron ingots
04:11 Hwkiller hm
04:11 Hwkiller lol
04:12 mauvebic lol
04:12 Menche where?
04:13 sdzen we need to rename the ingots
04:13 Hwkiller it's in a mod
04:13 sdzen idk who thought iron smelts directly to steel
04:13 Hwkiller in moreblocks
04:13 Hwkiller it calls for iron ingots
04:13 sdzen yeah it just means steel ingot
04:13 sdzen there is only the one thing
04:13 sdzen but so long as we cant add a small amount of carbon
04:14 sdzen we cant call it steel :)
04:14 Menche coal = carbon?
04:14 mauvebic carbonite would be cool
04:14 sdzen we could do it that way :)
04:14 NotReallyNick I use logs and leaves to smelt, never coal.
04:14 mauvebic i hear its superconductive?
04:14 sdzen goodbye #minetest, happy plotting
04:15 NotReallyNick Sometimes, I also use saplings.
04:15 Hwkiller in the 'craft guide' mod, I'm only seeing a few available craft recipes.
04:18 mauvebic craft guides seem to be notoriously buggy
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04:19 mauvebic wow even with chance =1, abm on water runs pretty fast
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04:41 Hwkiller ah, apparently the craft_guide I was using was out of date
04:41 Hwkiller like, someone forked it to fix it
04:42 Hwkiller also realized that farming wasn't working; it was missing "wool" even though that's in /usr/share/minetest/games/common
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04:45 Hwkiller so apparently when you make a gametype, you have to manually pull down the mods from the /usr/share/games/* directories?
04:45 Hwkiller it won't auto-pull from common and such?
04:47 NotReallyNick A game only pulls from common if set to do so.
04:48 Hwkiller and survival doesn't?
04:48 NotReallyNick For example, minetest_game and build pull wool from common, but survival does not.
04:48 NotReallyNick Right, survival doesn't pull wool.
04:48 Hwkiller is there a reason for that?
04:49 Hwkiller actually... what mobs/animals/etc come by default for survival?
04:49 khonkhortisan There's no sheep to kill for wool
04:49 NotReallyNick Because there is no way to get wool in survival.
04:49 mauvebic cotton plants
04:49 khonkhortisan It can't be done, so make it so it can't be done
04:49 mauvebic its not wool but its close enuf :P
04:49 NotReallyNick There's no way to get wool in build or survival either, so a better question would be why it IS pulled in those games.
04:50 mauvebic likely pressure to do so
04:50 NotReallyNick *build or minetest_game
04:50 mauvebic ya'll always saying the game is not about realism :P
04:50 mauvebic is it or isnt it? i guess it depends on the issue :P
04:51 mauvebic make it grow in trees and under rocks :p
04:52 NotReallyNick On one of my old worlds, I set it up so digging dirt with grass dropped the dirt AND a random dye or white wool.
04:53 mauvebic im not entirely sure how dye is really extracted IRL lol flowers seemed close enough
04:54 NotReallyNick But we don't have the API features to do flowers well yet, according to VanessaE.
04:54 mauvebic historically it sounds like a long process of discovery, with each new color becoming a fashion trend (way back when)
04:54 mauvebic flowers have always worked?
04:54 mauvebic nature mod is one of the oldest
04:54 VanessaE we don't have in-engine features in mapgen v6 yet, no.
04:54 mauvebic well whats wrong with the present method?
04:54 VanessaE v7 will have, though.
04:55 NotReallyNick The ABMs cause lag or something. I'm not clear on the details of why we can't spawn flowers that way.
04:55 mauvebic find grass, if air on top, place flower
04:55 VanessaE mauvebic: nothing except it depends on Lua to do all the heavy lifting
04:55 mauvebic i do much heavier things in lua, theres something up with your abm then
04:55 mauvebic how much does it try to do at once?
04:55 NotReallyNick So version seven will fix it? Good. I see people have been working on fixing that up.
04:56 mauvebic right now: im using an ABM to fill a large area with water, creating an ocean, FPS roughly 25 while running
04:57 NotReallyNick Flowers aren't that pretty, but are functional. I wouldn't mind seeing your poison ivy in common either. I love it for decorating "old" buildings.
04:58 NotReallyNick Poison ivy would be darn right awesome in my tunnel, but I'd never be able to grow it fast enough to make that work, unless I could grow it in place somehow.
04:59 mauvebic chunk filling w/ abm: http://www.zimg.eu/i/704755804
05:00 Hwkiller hm... can we not destroy steel doors?
05:00 khonkhortisan Other people can't
05:00 Hwkiller nvm; done w/ a sword for some reason
05:01 khonkhortisan I'm trying to reassign the "for" keyword within a lua sandbox, and it's not working. The lua interpreter outside the sandbox keeps trying to interpret it.
05:03 mauvebic doesnt sound like fun :p
05:04 khonkhortisan {for = myfunction}
05:04 mauvebic can you reassign keywords?
05:04 khonkhortisan idk
05:04 mauvebic whats it for?
05:04 khonkhortisan luacontrollers
05:04 khonkhortisan The way it prohibits looping keywords is with a string search, which catches "--for" and "fork = spoon"
05:05 mauvebic well, if i had to do it, instead of reimplementing lua, i would have come up with a simple markup
05:05 khonkhortisan I want lua to figure out whether it's a real call
05:06 khonkhortisan like how microcontrollers work?
05:08 mauvebic well, using lua within lua can be confusing :p
05:09 khonkhortisan using lua within lua is fine, it's _not_ using lua in lua that's difficult :)
05:09 mauvebic well thats what i mean you have to account for every lua function you dont want people using :P
05:09 mauvebic and differentiate between the two levels
05:10 khonkhortisan it's whitelisting for functions, then I'm attempting blacklisting for keywords
05:11 khonkhortisan it's a table: {print = safeprint, tostring = tostring, etc.}
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05:11 mauvebic and people say my mods have no place in a voxel world lol
05:12 mauvebic sounds tricky
05:13 mauvebic lol those crazy koreans getting ready to test a missile
05:14 mauvebic i wish china would invade them and get it over w/
05:14 mauvebic china has like, empty cities
05:14 mauvebic brand spanking new
05:14 khonkhortisan the koreans can't just invade the koreans?
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05:15 mauvebic either that or end the war
05:15 mauvebic weather its one oligopoly or another ruling the north, what does it matter? lol
05:22 * khonkhortisan just checked
05:22 khonkhortisan the lua people say it can't be done
05:23 mauvebic i didn't think so :/
05:23 NotReallyNick My would your plugins have no place in Minetest?
05:23 NotReallyNick It seems like you build some pretty cool stuff.
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05:24 mauvebic how should i know? lol the whole "voxel world" refrain comes up whenever someone doesn't like something :p
05:24 mauvebic but they usually turn around and create something just as convoluted lol
05:24 NotReallyNick Have you made any non-voxel nodes? I haven't seen any.
05:24 khonkhortisan minetest doesn't support angled cubes
05:25 NotReallyNick You're the one building the mesh voxelizer, right?
05:25 mauvebic yep
05:25 mauvebic *built
05:25 khonkhortisan what sense does it make to have to load the block to get a node? Shouldn't getting a node load the block to get the node?
05:25 NotReallyNick Oh, it's done? My bad.
05:25 mauvebic technically, i built the reader
05:25 mauvebic and spawner
05:25 mauvebic the actual voxelizer was written by someone at stanford or MIT
05:26 NotReallyNick It builds things out of the standard nodes, so people can't claim it's any less voxelly than anything else.
05:26 mauvebic people tend to accept concepts that are already established in MC, but if its completely new, then they claim it has no place lol and complain were making a clone lol
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05:27 khonkhortisan it's turning something non-voxel into voxel. Its inheritance can show through
05:28 khonkhortisan whatever that mean-
05:28 khonkhortisan *means
05:28 mauvebic though, i have plenty of nodeboxes too, and i dont think theyre out of place here
05:29 mauvebic and when people write complicated routines to get round and angled nodes, and vote down the concept of true round and angled nodes, well that confuses the fuck out of me lol
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05:30 NotReallyNick I don't know. At least I'm consistent, and don't like either.
05:30 mauvebic well people are free not to use them, but depriving others because people personally disagree w/ it, thats just dumb
05:31 mauvebic you dont get more variety by limiting options
05:31 NotReallyNick I'm only for/against things being added to default, mostly. Once it's in default, there's no escaping it without writing a custom default.
05:32 mauvebic i stopped using minetest game with that whole mese fiasco lol
05:32 NotReallyNick Adding things in plugins give more choices, and is almost always a good thing.
05:32 mauvebic so whatever they do to it now, i have my game
05:32 khonkhortisan I ignore gameplay changes until I have to update
05:32 mauvebic well yeah, the more API the better
05:32 NotReallyNick I don't mean minetest_game, I mean just the default plugin, as it's pretty much needed for mapgen.
05:33 mauvebic well yeah, though my copy of default was split some time ago now
05:33 NotReallyNick I use a custom game, but I need default, so when annoying things are added to it .....
05:33 mauvebic i doubt id recognize the new default and game
05:33 NotReallyNick I see.
05:34 NotReallyNick I use the new common system.
05:34 mauvebic its always a can of worms everytime they touch it anyhow lol
05:34 NotReallyNick The new common system is pretty close to the system I always thought we SHOULD have. It's not quite, but close enough.
05:35 mauvebic i still dont much get the common systems, seems complicated, and people proposing multiple commons makes me think the old way was simpler/better
05:35 mauvebic i might have gone the python way: import modname from gamename
05:36 mauvebic then you keep minetest_game up to date and all other games are automatically so
05:36 NotReallyNick I think we need one directory where ALL the plugins are put. Then each world or each game chooses which to use. None would be only accessible from one game.
05:36 Hwkiller +1
05:36 mauvebic so basically youd just have game description files
05:37 NotReallyNick mauvebic: Exactly.
05:37 mauvebic but what happens when you need a custom default, custom mapgen.lua, etc. ?
05:37 mauvebic you cant have two
05:37 khonkhortisan mapgen = mapgen2?
05:37 NotReallyNick Name it something different. "gamename_mapgen", or something.
05:37 mauvebic mpagen.lua where all the aliases are
05:38 NotReallyNick Or, your import method works too. I mostly typed mine before you submitted yours, so it wasn't meant to be contradictory.
05:38 mauvebic i dunno, i didn't really see a problem with the old system tbh
05:38 khonkhortisan I don't trust weather to not contaminate my pure mesecon world
05:38 NotReallyNick I don't see the point in weather.
05:39 khonkhortisan realism!
05:39 mauvebic import method is better than just symlink which doesnt work in win aparently
05:39 mauvebic but i symlinked my mods to the game folders before
05:39 khonkhortisan You go out in the storm, there's a flash of lightning, and you see a mob in front of you!
05:39 NotReallyNick The world is made on boxes. As long as that continues to be true, we'll never have realism.
05:40 mauvebic realism in the sense of an intense 3d game no
05:40 mauvebic but when you put time into building something thats real, you aim for as-precise-as-possible
05:40 khonkhortisan Even the people who use blender for a living say there isn't realism
05:40 NotReallyNick I don't know. I think weather will be added to the engine. I just hope there's a way to disable it on a per-world basis.
05:40 VanessaE well I think I'll hit the sack.  Night all.
05:40 NotReallyNick Good night.
05:40 mauvebic nite
05:41 Hwkiller I need to figure out what is redundant between my mods and 4.6...
05:41 mauvebic they cant add weather without being able to disable it, some old hardware cant handle that
05:41 NotReallyNick Good luck. 4.6 isn't out yet.
05:41 mauvebic and even the able dont want to put resources on it
05:41 mauvebic (all )
05:41 khonkhortisan If I can get it to not add actual nodes, I'm fine with it
05:41 mauvebic (not all)
05:41 Hwkiller ... .4.6?
05:42 NotReallyNick 4.s isn't out. We have 0.4.6.
05:42 NotReallyNick *4.6
05:42 Hwkiller oh my god.
05:42 Hwkiller how pedantic can one be
05:42 mauvebic im sure someones' available for a crusade :P
05:42 mauvebic lol
05:42 mauvebic like the linux kernel versioning thing
05:43 mauvebic then end up going with both
05:43 khonkhortisan I still have to convince someone on another channel to use "its" in place of "it's"
05:43 mauvebic makes you think if they focused less on politics and more on code... lol
05:43 mauvebic dont bother :p
05:43 NotReallyNick Let me guess. Windows user? I think I've noticed a pattern, and the only people I've seen purposely using the wrong version have been Windows users. I'd love to see how long that pattern continues.
05:43 khonkhortisan but they say it over and over
05:44 Hwkiller me?
05:44 NotReallyNick Yeah.
05:44 mauvebic yeah but the more you bug people about the more they go out of their way to piss you off
05:44 Hwkiller Me a windows user? Surely you're kidding
05:44 khonkhortisan Then you see who lasts the longest
05:45 NotReallyNick Okay, pattern broken. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
05:45 mauvebic people are argumentative enough IRL, especially at work, and it takes my all not to deck some of them lol
05:45 khonkhortisan But you don't know if the windowmanager is windows-like
05:45 Hwkiller I just think it's asinine to correct someone who says "4.6" instead of ".4.6" when EVERYONE HERE Knows that there is no 4.6, and that 4.6 must mean .4.6
05:45 NotReallyNick Window managers are of little consern to me.
05:46 khonkhortisan and 0.1 is the same as .1
05:46 mauvebic i usually just say 046
05:46 mauvebic people get it
05:46 NotReallyNick I think it's asinine to use the incorect version number, KNOWING it's the incorect version number.
05:46 Hwkiller but there is no version fourty six, you must mean 0.4.6
05:46 Hwkiller ...
05:46 mauvebic if they point out the lack of dots, i tell them where they can put it lol
05:46 khonkhortisan 046 is hex or binary
05:46 mauvebic 0x46 would be hex
05:47 NotReallyNick Bibary can't have 4s or 6s.
05:47 NotReallyNick *binary
05:47 mauvebic point is, if people have  the energy to point that out, they should go build something or get laid
05:47 NotReallyNick What even is "bibery"? Bibs for the young ones? I need to hit the correct keys more often.
05:48 mauvebic i get the feeling alot of people here are single lol
05:48 NotReallyNick Getting laid isn't for everyone.
05:48 mauvebic wouldn't hurt for some
05:48 NotReallyNick Some, probaby.
05:48 NotReallyNick *probably
05:48 khonkhortisan probibally
05:48 mauvebic *prolly :p
05:49 NotReallyNick I wonder if I'm the only asexual of the group ....
05:49 khonkhortisan shoulda coulda woulda alot couldn't've irregardless!
05:49 mauvebic cant blame you, knock up the wrong women and youre in for 18 years of support
05:50 mauvebic in the age of feminism and abortion, forcing someone through the courts to support a kid they dont want... lol
05:50 NotReallyNick Asexuallity isn't a choice, so it's not like I'm trying to avoid unwanted pregnancies or something.
05:51 khonkhortisan Well it's definitely not dna
05:51 mauvebic i doubt orientation is a choice at all
05:51 mauvebic who would chose to put up with so much bullshit? lol
05:51 NotReallyNick I don't know. I was born without sexuality. DNA or not, there nothing to do about it.
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05:52 mauvebic ill take a big fat blind gay guy over a religious wingnut any day lol
05:52 khonkhortisan I really don't know where that variable would be stored
05:53 NotReallyNick Well yeah, fat gays are not annoying.
05:53 mauvebic sorry, meant black fat blind gay guy (from king of the hill)
05:53 NotReallyNick Well, some might be, but they aren't by definition annoying.
05:54 NotReallyNick I don't watch that. It used to give me headaches.
05:54 mauvebic being annoying isn't limited to one race, religion, orientation or nationality
05:54 mauvebic i loved KOTH, satirizes so much of the bullshit of our age lol
05:54 NotReallyNick "religious wingnut". It's not the religion alone that is annoying.
05:55 mauvebic the whole concept that when a person believes in something he must be right and anyone who disagrees wrong...its fascism
05:56 mauvebic and the fascist usually had the church's backing
05:57 mauvebic honestly, if i had the means, id be living in a cabin, far up north, away from people lol
06:00 mauvebic course, when i hear stories about my great-grandpa shooting in the vicinity of any stranger approaching his property, i know where i get my antisocialness from lol
06:00 NotReallyNick Ha ha.
06:00 mauvebic id go w/ a high voltage electric fence
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06:44 mauvebic coffee at 3am? why not (if anyone asks, im getting it ready for our euro-area members :P)
06:45 NotReallyNick Yeah, that's it. That's all you're doing.
06:45 mauvebic still building a giant ocean actually :p
06:45 NotReallyNick Come to think of it, I should do the same.
06:45 NotReallyNick Not the ocean, the preparation. I'm not building an ocean.
06:46 mauvebic cant sleep, clown 'ill eat me
06:46 mauvebic meh i cant do coffee in advance, i have to grind it
06:46 mauvebic whats the point of freshly ground if you ground it last night heh?
06:47 NotReallyNick Yeah, it probably will eat you. Even if it won't try to eat you if you sleep, it doesn't hurt to play it safe and just stay up.
06:48 mauvebic actually my wife still has 1 nightshift a week, and i know how frustrating that can be so i always stay up till she gets home
06:48 NotReallyNick That's nice of you.
06:48 mauvebic shit i did for 4 years
06:48 mauvebic *did it
06:48 mauvebic got robbed a few times too, though where she is she's not alone
06:49 mauvebic otherwise id telll her to screw the nightshifts lol
06:53 mauvebic http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/04/08/042231/resurrecting-the-linux-game-tome?utm_source=slashdot&amp;utm_medium=twitter
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07:18 Doyousketch2 I think I found what ShadowNinja|Away was asking about
07:19 NotReallyNick What was he talking about? I wasn't here.
07:19 Doyousketch2 he was asking why fire was burning dirt out from under his house
07:21 NotReallyNick Fire burns dirt? Since when?
07:21 Doyousketch2 It think the prob comes in between lines 173 - 188 - https://github.com/minetest/common/blob/master/mods/fire/init.lua
07:23 NotReallyNick That only hits nodes in the flammable group. Dirt isn't in that group.
07:23 Doyousketch2 er, 173 - 183.  it random maths, checks for p, ends, then removes a node
07:24 NotReallyNick Where p is always nil or a node in the flammable group.
07:26 NotReallyNick Because of line 175.
07:26 Doyousketch2 175 was ended tho
07:28 NotReallyNick That block isn't ended until p is no longer needed. Uless I'm missing something.
07:28 NotReallyNick *Unless
07:28 Doyousketch2 I dunno, I'm too tired to code.  I tried.  I'll read it again in the morning.
07:30 Doyousketch2 I was prolly reading it as p0, 'cuz the next line down reads that way
07:30 NotReallyNick Ah, that would make sense.
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08:10 markveidemanis I think i have fixed the creative+inventory_plus thing
08:12 markveidemanis But the creative screen is the craft screen if the creatove mode is disables
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08:57 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7367428
08:57 markveidemanis I want to return nothing to the player when he digs a node
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09:22 markveidemanis http://ifunny.mobi/#GE7sYxcZ LOL
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10:18 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:19 NotReallyNick Hello, PilzAdam!
10:22 NotReallyNick I'm having the oddest issue. Group-based ABMs continue to apply to nodes that have been re-registered with the group removed.
10:22 PilzAdam how have your re-registered the nodes?
10:23 PilzAdam with register_node(":mod:name")?
10:24 NotReallyNick Yeah. And I also put the original node's plugin into depends.txt.
10:25 NotReallyNick It's an exact copy of the original registration, but with tht : prefix added and the group removed.
10:25 PilzAdam it might be that register_abm() converts the group to nodenames when registering
10:26 NotReallyNick Hmm. So nodes registered after the ABM would also be unaffected?
10:26 NotReallyNick Hmm.
10:26 * PilzAdam looks at the code
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10:29 PilzAdam seems like the abms are stored in minetest.registered_abms and are read when the env gets creted
10:29 PilzAdam *created
10:29 PilzAdam wtf
10:29 PilzAdam 18 unread notifications on github >:-(
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10:30 NotReallyNick So it should respond to me removing the group during startup ....
10:30 NotReallyNick Hmm....
10:31 NotReallyNick Unless C++ is keeping the old registered groups.
10:31 NotReallyNick Lua is reading the change just fine.
10:31 markveidemanis I need to return no items when a player digs something
10:31 markveidemanis if playerdata[pname]['gamemode'] == "Creative" then
10:31 markveidemanis That probably explains most of the problem
10:32 markveidemanis Help...
10:32 NotReallyNick Look in creative. It has the code you need, but I forget which function it overrides to do it.
10:33 NotReallyNick It might be handle_node_drops().
10:33 NotReallyNick Have that check the player's mode, then do whatever accordingly.
10:34 PilzAdam NotReallyNick, no, Lua handles minetest.registered_abms until the env gets created
10:34 PilzAdam before that the core does nothing with it
10:34 PilzAdam can you check if the node gets overriden correclty? (by dumping it to the console after a second or so)
10:35 NotReallyNick No, I mean maybe the register_node() might not be overwriting the old node definition with the new one properly. So maybe the node still IS in the group, according to C++. Maybe the ABM isn't the one failing.
10:35 NotReallyNick Okay. I'll go dump it.
10:38 NotReallyNick minetest.after(3, function()
10:38 NotReallyNick print(dump(minetest.registered_nodes["fire:basic_flame"]))
10:38 NotReallyNick end)
10:38 NotReallyNick This shows the group removed, though it still acts as though it wasn't.
10:39 PilzAdam odd
10:39 NotReallyNick Yeah.
10:41 * PilzAdam compiled the new not leaking Minetest
10:41 markveidemanis is there a minetest on_dig
10:41 NotReallyNick Nice. I wonder how much better that will perform.
10:41 NotReallyNick Yeah.
10:41 PilzAdam markveidemanis, read the API doc
10:41 markveidemanis this is what i got: http://pastie.org/7368354
10:42 NotReallyNick I wonder if the memory leaks were causing the F10 segfaults.
10:42 PilzAdam probably not
10:43 markveidemanis Can minetestbot query me when there is a GIT update? :D
10:43 markveidemanis Hi MinetestBot
10:43 markveidemanis Why is he not here?
10:43 NotReallyNick You could probably set up some sort of notification from Github.
10:44 markveidemanis Nvm, how do i go about the dig thing
10:44 markveidemanis on_dig or on_punchnode
10:44 PilzAdam NotReallyNick, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/149
10:44 NotReallyNick Go about what?
10:44 markveidemanis because now i place and it does not take items but when i dig i get items
10:46 NotReallyNick markveidemanis: you need to overwrite the done drop handler, not use on_*.
10:47 NotReallyNick *node drop
10:47 markveidemanis It worked when i used env.remove_node(pos)
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10:54 PilzAdam NotReallyNick, you actually have to override on_placenode() and return true if no item should be taken away
10:54 PilzAdam markveidemanis, sure, because that isnt related to a player
10:55 markveidemanis if playerdata[pname]['gamemode'] == "Creative" then  #i need the next line
10:55 PilzAdam return true
10:55 jojoa1997|Tablet ilzAdam if i can make a way toi switch gamemodes then could it be added to common
10:55 PilzAdam and thet in on_placenode()
10:55 jojoa1997|Tablet markv are you talking about creative changer
10:55 NotReallyNick PilzAdam: He wanted no item to be given when digging. It didn't have to do with placing nodes, he had that part coded already.
10:55 PilzAdam oh
10:55 PilzAdam yea, then you need to override hande_node_drops
10:55 Leoneof hello o/
10:56 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam have you seen the inventory i have made
10:56 PilzAdam not yet
10:56 markveidemanis Mines better! its bigger, BIgger is better ALWAYS
10:56 markveidemanis If you get what i mean
10:56 jojoa1997|Tablet please try it
10:56 NotReallyNick Smaller is often better, it depends on the context.
10:56 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, you still need to find a file sharing service that gives you a direct download link to the .zip
10:56 jojoa1997|Tablet also i will work on it more so there can be different inventypes
10:57 jojoa1997|Tablet i have gotten dropbox
10:58 PilzAdam <NotReallyNick> Smaller is often better, it depends on the context. <- <NotReallyNick> Smaller is often better, it depends on the context.
10:58 PilzAdam * https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress/blob/master/examples/simple/init.lua
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11:00 jojoa1997_Tablet i am uploading the same version but with dropbox
11:00 jojoa1997_Tablet does dropbox give direct downloads
11:00 PilzAdam IIRC yes
11:01 jojoa1997_Tablet https://www.dropbox.com/s/rh2wn8a8fy948cb/MiniTest_dev_1_0.zip
11:01 jojoa1997_Tablet does that give direct?
11:02 ruskie yes with wget
11:02 PilzAdam https://dl.dropbox.com/s/rh2wn8a8fy948cb/MiniTest_dev_1_0.zip?token_hash=AAH1_SBa4Ro2mhNMbDMWfJYguR7dKrd9zKWt0r53wOpLag&amp;dl=1
11:02 jojoa1997_Tablet wait
11:02 PilzAdam thats the direct link
11:02 jojoa1997_Tablet https://dl.dropbox.com/s/rh2wn8a8fy948cb/MiniTest_dev_1_0.zip?token_hash=AAH1_SBa4Ro2mhNMbDMWfJYguR7dKrd9zKWt0r53wOpLag&amp;dl=1
11:02 jojoa1997_Tablet lol
11:02 ruskie wget gets the original link as well
11:02 jojoa1997_Tablet ok can you put that on topic
11:02 PilzAdam remove the old one?
11:02 jojoa1997_Tablet yesw
11:03 jojoa1997_Tablet this is the same version
11:03 NotReallyNick PilzAdam: I just re-registered cobble, after removing the stone group, to test the group overriding. I can't craft a pick from cobble now. I don't get it, removing groups removes group-based crafts, but it doesn't remove group-based ABMs ....
11:03 jojoa1997_Tablet is there a way i can check for creative
11:03 NotReallyNick if minetest.setting_getbool("creative_mode") then
11:04 PilzAdam NotReallyNick, remove the ABM from minetest.registered_abms and re-register it
11:04 markveidemanis jojoa do you want to see my inventory?
11:04 markveidemanis It switches  by command
11:04 markveidemanis And works with inventory plus
11:04 markveidemanis AND has a bigger inventory
11:04 PilzAdam jojoa1997_Tablet, why do you have .git in the .zip?
11:04 NotReallyNick How do I remove it? I can't set it to nil, as it's indexed by an unknown number.
11:05 PilzAdam find the index and use table.remove(minetest.registered_abms, index)
11:05 jojoa1997_Tablet idk
11:05 jojoa1997_Tablet oh that is what comes in when you download a file from github
11:05 NotReallyNick How do you find the index though? There's no way of knowing.
11:05 jojoa1997_Tablet that is how they know what is the same
11:06 PilzAdam jojoa1997_Tablet, the .git is for git repos
11:06 jojoa1997_Tablet yeah
11:06 jojoa1997_Tablet i never removed it
11:06 PilzAdam 13:06:35: ERROR[geThread]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "air" at (-332,4,1007) (block (-21,0,62))
11:06 PilzAdam wtf have you done?
11:07 jojoa1997_Tablet i dont know
11:07 jojoa1997_Tablet i thought that was an engine bug
11:07 PilzAdam it isnt
11:07 PilzAdam you told the engine to place a not registered node
11:08 jojoa1997_Tablet it is probably renaming every ******* node
11:08 jojoa1997_Tablet i will check
11:08 PilzAdam jojoa1997_Tablet, you have to set the width of the crafting list to 2
11:08 PilzAdam otherwise you cant craft there correctly
11:08 jojoa1997_Tablet ?
11:08 jojoa1997_Tablet i did
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11:08 jojoa1997_Tablet look in inventory
11:09 PilzAdam also, there is no workbench
11:09 jojoa1997_Tablet hay you know what go light on me
11:09 PilzAdam you have to call this method: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1376
11:09 jojoa1997_Tablet sorry but i cant fix anything now or for like a week
11:09 rubenwardy can this be sticky-ed? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4541
11:10 PilzAdam then just write down the bugs somwere and fix them later
11:10 PilzAdam rubenwardy, of course not
11:10 jojoa1997_Tablet the thing is i have no idea what the bugs are and i cant play minetest on my computer cause it has become unusable
11:11 jojoa1997_Tablet that is why i am pushing minetest for android to get done
11:11 PilzAdam thats why I report them to you
11:11 PilzAdam play sounds when removing nodes in creative
11:12 jojoa1997_Tablet maybe your superior modding abilities could help
11:12 PilzAdam and change /gamemode_0  to /gamemode 0
11:12 jojoa1997_Tablet i dont have the time to do everything on my tablet either
11:12 jojoa1997_Tablet it doesnt work
11:12 PilzAdam the way you remove the nodes in creative is not good
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11:13 jojoa1997|Tablet /gamemode 0 is taken as /gamemode
11:13 PilzAdam <PilzAdam> the way you remove the nodes in creative is not good
11:13 jojoa1997|Tablet i know
11:13 jojoa1997|Tablet i didnt make theat part of the code
11:13 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, yes, you have to check the param that is passed to the function
11:14 jojoa1997|Tablet i have to go. if you want it fixed within a week then you or someone else will have to work on it
11:14 PilzAdam I dont care about when you fix it
11:15 NotReallyNick So ... Why did Jojoa take over you Minitest?
11:15 rubenwardy wow sapier, lots of mem leak work done
11:15 rubenwardy ... not here
11:15 PilzAdam NotReallyNick, he wanted to help me restructure the whole thing
11:16 NotReallyNick Ah, that's nice of him.
11:16 PilzAdam and it turned out that he did everything on his
11:16 PilzAdam +own
11:16 PilzAdam and he also cant access github anymore, so I cant review his code
11:17 NotReallyNick Yeah, I heard. Github was blocked because sharing code is evil.
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11:17 markveidemanis if on_punchnode returns puncher, whats on_dognode
11:17 markveidemanis on_dignode*
11:17 markveidemanis Digger or smth?
11:17 markveidemanis JOrdach use a real client
11:17 markveidemanis lol
11:18 NotReallyNick What's wrong with his client?
11:18 Jordach markveidemanis, i change host and that's it, not join as webchat then use the cloak and revert
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11:25 markveidemanis I have an idea for a mod
11:26 markveidemanis A command: /server that sends a message as the server to everyone
11:26 rubenwardy markveidemanis: easy peasy
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11:35 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/7368954
11:36 rubenwardy markveidemanis
11:36 markveidemanis yop
11:38 rubenwardy http://pastebin.com/7yM4MDwq i belive
11:38 rubenwardy no
11:39 markveidemanis on_drop?
11:39 rubenwardy on_dig i think actually
11:39 rubenwardy http://dev.minetest.net/register_node#on_drop
11:39 markveidemanis same but on_dig?
11:40 rubenwardy try it
11:40 rubenwardy It might not be dug
11:41 rubenwardy you might have to do http://pastebin.com/yU0Fyzxc
11:42 rubenwardy or http://pastebin.com/n6nnFXsT rather
11:42 rubenwardy ask pilzadam
11:42 PilzAdam busy. 3D sheeps
11:43 rubenwardy cancel that
11:43 markveidemanis minetest.register_""
11:43 Jordach PilzAdam, IKR
11:43 Jordach PilzAdam, theyre awesome, arent they?
11:44 rubenwardy http://pastebin.com/JfYsfPnh
11:44 rubenwardy see http://dev.minetest.net/register_node#Node_definition
11:48 NotReallyNick Hmm. I'm not a fan of the sheep. I don't suppose we could rename wool cotton, and farm it instead. No? I thought not, but it was worth suggesting.
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12:21 markveidemanis â–„â–„
12:21 markveidemanis http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82440#p82440
12:23 celeron55 both need an addition to the engine (adding such is fine though)
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12:26 Taoki Anyone know why on_receive_fields isn't working? I set up a formspec on that node, but when clicking a button this doesn't do anything
12:27 Taoki <PilzAdam> busy. 3D sheeps
12:27 Taoki PilzAdam: Saw your 3D sheep on the forum. Looks very good! But the mouse isn't made out of blocks... I suggest remaking that model into a blocky version to not break the default style
12:28 markveidemanis markmt.strangled.net:30000 is up if anyone wants to play
12:29 Taoki Not now for me. Busy on making a mod which I think a lot of people will enjoy when ready
12:30 markveidemanis What mod???
12:30 markveidemanis GIve at least a hint...
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12:31 Taoki It wil allow importing and exporting houses or any structure you build in-world easily
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12:32 markveidemanis Meh
12:32 markveidemanis I have worldedit
12:33 markveidemanis And multinode
12:33 markveidemanis And i need someone to help me with spawn on my server
12:34 Taoki I'm trying to figure out why on_receive_fields doesn't execute when clicking buttons in my formspec
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12:38 Kacey stupid XChat
12:39 markveidemanis Hello Kacey
12:39 markveidemanis I am making a map of my server
12:39 markveidemanis with minetestmapper
12:40 markveidemanis There should be an automatic server that does it, like i upload map and it sends me the png
12:40 markveidemanis how do i do the fancy isometric map?
12:41 Kacey well i cant use XChat anymore...
12:42 Kacey brb
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12:44 markveidemanis Hi
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12:45 Kacey IceChat now
12:46 markveidemanis Hi kacey
12:46 markveidemanis I will upload my server map...
12:48 Kacey uugh
12:48 * Kacey wishes that XChat was completely free
12:51 Jordach Kacey, i thought you were talking about IceCraft|Away
12:52 Jordach Kacey, hexchat
12:54 markveidemanis http://speedy.sh/5Zu98/map.png
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12:58 Jordach hey RealBadAngel
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13:07 Jordach Leoneof, hey
13:07 * Jordach is working on a smooth pack
13:08 Jordach (minetest doesnt have that many too choose from...)
13:09 Leoneof hi Jordach , do i know you? :)
13:09 Jordach Leoneof, in one of the most active forum members
13:10 Leoneof i haven't registered in minetest forums, maybe you know another Leonx
13:10 Jordach Leoneof, nope.
13:10 Jordach I remember you from the other times you've dropped by
13:11 Leoneof Jordach: Ubuntu forums?
13:11 Jordach Leoneof, no
13:11 Jordach Minetest*
13:11 Leoneof i'm scared, this could be just dream, wake up O_O
13:12 Jordach Leoneof, nope
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13:12 Leoneof any link?
13:12 Jordach forum.minetest.net
13:13 jojoa1997|Tablet Pilzadam I will try to fix minitest
13:13 jojoa1997|Tablet Could you send me a pm of the problems and maybe fixes you know
13:13 Jordach minitest by jojoa is looking like moontest
13:13 Jordach PilzAdam, ^
13:14 jojoa1997|Tablet Moon test?
13:14 jojoa1997|Tablet Why
13:14 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, read the logs what I said the last time
13:14 jojoa1997|Tablet Ok
13:14 PilzAdam and this is just 1 min. testing
13:15 PilzAdam you need to test stuff yourself
13:15 jojoa1997|Tablet Jordach why am I like moontest?
13:15 Leoneof Jordach: check again, it's not me
13:15 jojoa1997|Tablet I do but I can't have minetest on my PC atm
13:15 Jordach minetest.register_alias("full of hot air", "Moontest")
13:16 jojoa1997|Tablet Well that Ida's boy minitest
13:16 jojoa1997|Tablet Gt class almost over
13:18 Leoneof Jordach: O_O
13:19 PilzAdam basically everything done by Likwid is "Moontest"
13:19 Jordach jojoa makes results, but not often enough
13:22 * Leoneof puts Jordach on *ignore list*
13:22 Jordach heh
13:23 markveidemanis Who wants to play chess
13:24 Jordach nope.
13:25 Jordach i'd rather pit my bot against someone
13:27 rubenwardy I am never sure whether Likwid is taking the piss, or is genuine
13:27 RealBadAngel hi all
13:28 RealBadAngel Jordach, sup?
13:28 Jordach sup RBA
13:28 * Jordach agrees with rubenwardy
13:28 RealBadAngel hehe, just back from work
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13:28 markveidemanis hmmmm wanna play chess?
13:28 RealBadAngel hi hmmmm
13:28 RealBadAngel seems we do have similar timing ;) i also came in
13:29 Jordach minetest.register_alias("hmmmm", "Ryan")
13:31 hmmmm hrmmmm
13:31 RealBadAngel close, should be rather minetest.register_alias("default:hmmmm", "Kwolek:Ryan")
13:31 Jordach minetest.register_alias("hmmmm", "RealBadAngel")
13:31 Jordach :P
13:32 Jordach there should be a block for every developer
13:32 PilzAdam *node?
13:32 Jordach PilzAdam, yeah
13:32 PilzAdam c55's disappears randomly for some weeks :-)
13:33 Jordach make em rare like nyan cats
13:33 Jordach the c55 block can become mese blocks
13:34 RealBadAngel meh, rather CPU node
13:34 celeron55 there's already a texture for that block; my personal site's favicon 8)
13:34 * Leoneof puts hmmmm on *ignore list*
13:35 Jordach Leoneof, hmmmm is a developer
13:35 RealBadAngel anybody else tried system wide luajit patch?
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13:36 Leoneof Jordach: you are on ignore list, i can't read your chat :)
13:37 Leoneof i didn't know hmmmm is a developer ;D
13:37 * Jordach winces at the amount of tools in minetest_game
13:38 Leoneof btw, is it possible to play minetest with two pc (intranet only) ? linux and windows
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13:39 sfan5 Leoneof: yes
13:39 Jordach Leoneof, minetest is multi platform
13:39 Leoneof great, it will be nice to find minetest for android, to build great city :)
13:40 jojoa1997|Tablet Jordach o am also balancing achool
13:40 Jordach Leoneof, minetest wont run on android just yet
13:40 Leoneof ;[
13:40 Jordach because the irrlicht examples wont compile as of yet
13:40 Jordach sfan5 is trying
13:40 Leoneof it's okay, two pc is fine
13:41 jojoa1997|Tablet 2 PC?
13:41 sfan5 Jordach: they compile but don't work
13:41 jojoa1997|Tablet Is that a type of computer
13:41 Jordach sfan5, well, im wrong them :)
13:41 Leoneof jojoa1997|Tablet: multiplayer
13:41 jojoa1997|Tablet Ok
13:41 Leoneof mojo jojo :)
13:41 sfan5 !c 3^2
13:41 sfan5 ...
13:42 Jordach minetestbot isnt here
13:42 Jordach ^ sfan5
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13:42 jojoa1997|Tablet Sfan5 take your time with android
13:42 Jordach !c 3^2
13:42 MinetestBot 9
13:42 sfan5 !c 2^3
13:42 MinetestBot 8
13:42 sfan5 perfect!
13:42 Leoneof !c 2+5
13:42 MinetestBot 7
13:42 PilzAdam !c 1+1
13:42 MinetestBot 2
13:42 PilzAdam wrong! its 10
13:43 jojoa1997|Tablet !c 3*4^8
13:43 MinetestBot 196 608
13:43 Jordach PilzAdam, +1 for binary
13:43 Leoneof how come
13:43 Jordach !up jordachscity.tk
13:43 MinetestBot jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.292ms)
13:43 Leoneof !help
13:43 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
13:43 Jordach Leoneof, MinetestBot does other thinks too
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13:43 jojoa1997|Tablet I'm gonna try Ubuntu later
13:43 rubenwardy !c 1/0
13:43 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
13:44 rubenwardy !c ans
13:44 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
13:44 JesseH jojoa1997|Tablet, When you do, contact me I can help you out.
13:44 jojoa1997|Tablet K
13:44 rubenwardy !c sin(-10)
13:44 MinetestBot 0.544021111
13:44 JesseH Been using ubuntu for a long while :P
13:44 rubenwardy !c -5^-1
13:44 MinetestBot -0.2
13:44 rubenwardy !c -5^-2
13:44 MinetestBot -0.04
13:44 rubenwardy what is square route?
13:44 Leoneof !c a+b
13:44 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
13:45 markveidemanis !c ((3^10)*10)*(10*8^8)
13:45 jojoa1997|Tablet I have decompressed the files in the download I got and will boot from USB
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13:45 Jordach sfan5, https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/pull/1
13:45 rubenwardy !c ((3^10)*10)*(10*8^8)
13:45 MinetestBot 9.90677828 × 10^(13)
13:45 JesseH jojoa1997|Tablet, You already have it on a usb?
13:45 markveidemanis 9.9067783e+13
13:45 markveidemanis close enough
13:46 jojoa1997|Tablet Yeah but I am at school
13:46 sfan5 Jordach: done
13:46 jojoa1997|Tablet I just decompress it right
13:46 Jordach sfan5, :P
13:46 * sfan5 just tried to tab-complete done
13:46 JesseH jojoa1997|Tablet, http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
13:46 sfan5 *"done"
13:46 jojoa1997|Tablet And put the files o  usb
13:46 JesseH That worked out fine last time.
13:46 * Jordach prefers installing over Windows
13:46 JesseH Well it also worked with wine
13:46 JesseH Jordach, That software is windows only me thinks
13:47 Jordach JesseH, if anyone says Android is a OSS Linux Distro, I slap
13:47 Jordach them*
13:47 JesseH xD
13:47 JesseH Good ole java
13:47 JesseH :/
13:48 Jordach OSS Android is non Google components, eg, GPlay, GMAIL, etc
13:48 Jordach which are not there.
13:48 JesseH Well, What did you expect? lol
13:48 Jordach Google Android is like the above, but with non-free components
13:48 Jordach Cyranogen Mod is a good starting place
13:48 * rubenwardy is wondering what to work on
13:48 JesseH rubenwardy, A minetest mod?
13:49 JesseH :D
13:49 JesseH I am going to start on a mod later today me thinkz
13:49 jojoa1997|Tablet Would this work with USB http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
13:49 JesseH You download your .iso, then use something to put it on the USB basically
13:49 JesseH Make sure your USB is big enough.
13:50 rubenwardy qwerty
13:50 Jordach JesseH, nope.
13:50 Jordach there's a tool by OpenSUSE to covert .iso's into Bootable USB Sticks
13:51 rubenwardy potato!
13:51 JesseH tomato
13:51 JesseH tuh mah to
13:51 Jordach rubenwardy, at the end of this test, there will be cake.
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13:52 JesseH yumm
13:52 JesseH Do I get any? :D
13:52 Jordach finish test 19 first
13:52 JesseH :/
13:52 jojoa1997|Tablet 14gb is god enough?
13:52 jojoa1997|Tablet It isn't :-\
13:52 JesseH jojoa1997|Tablet, its plenty lol
13:52 sfan5 14gb
13:52 sfan5 ?
13:53 jojoa1997|Tablet What do I need?
13:53 JesseH :/
13:53 * Jordach uses a 16gb flash pen just for the Xbox360
13:54 jojoa1997|Tablet Would 4 GB work?
13:55 JesseH yes
13:55 jojoa1997|Tablet OK good
13:55 jojoa1997|Tablet Could I have other files on it?
13:55 JesseH sure
13:55 JesseH :P
13:55 Jordach jojoa1997|Tablet, yes
13:56 Jordach provided they dont interfere with ubuntu
13:56 * Jordach is turning into a help desk
13:56 JesseH Do you have a bell?
13:56 jojoa1997|Tablet Bell?
13:56 Jordach type "Jordach, PING!" and I'll be there
13:56 Jordach usually.
13:57 JesseH One of those bells you press to get their attention
13:57 JesseH lol
13:57 Jordach !up jordachscity.tk
13:57 MinetestBot jordachscity.tk:30000 seems to be down
13:57 Jordach bullshit.
13:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Gt cya
13:57 * Jordach is connecting to it
13:57 * Jordach is connecting to it
13:57 Jordach !up jordachscity.tk
13:57 MinetestBot jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.178ms)
13:59 JesseH why do we never get an answer
13:59 JesseH when were knocking at the door
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14:03 JesseH When you were young, and your heart was an open book
14:04 JesseH you used to say live or let live
14:04 JesseH you know you did you know you did
14:04 JesseH ♪ ♪v
14:04 JesseH lol
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14:10 Jordach uh oh, i over did the PulseAudio volume for Clementine...
14:10 Jordach 400% \o/
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14:14 * Jordach finished wool
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14:16 Jordach hmmmm, i just found this strange world: http://i.imgur.com/jI0sWh6.png
14:17 Jordach noise based mountain on left, current V6 cliffs on right
14:17 Jordach from 0.4-stable branch
14:17 PilzAdam that looks like v6
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14:18 Jordach that's my problem: the noise on left looks like V7, but the cliffs state otherwise
14:18 PilzAdam everything there looks like v6...
14:19 VanessaE mornin' all
14:20 Jordach hey VanessaE
14:20 Jordach you should make a texture pack :P
14:20 Jordach that's not HDX
14:21 VanessaE http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/no-rage-face-1.jpg
14:21 VanessaE NO.
14:21 VanessaE :)
14:21 Jordach VanessaE, you drew the apple and mese texture, go do it
14:22 PilzAdam ... both are horrible
14:22 * PilzAdam hides
14:22 VanessaE ^^^ that is why
14:22 Jordach bullshit.
14:23 VanessaE no one likes my textures anyway so fuck it :)
14:25 Jordach VanessaE, I've had some plans for a SVG Pack for a while
14:25 Jordach (which of course they've been scaled down..)
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14:33 Leoneof alex256 is here? :)
14:35 john_minetest Lol, svg loading in minetest would be crazy...
14:36 rubenwardy added http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/addreview.php
14:39 rubenwardy to create these: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/review.php?id=3
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14:53 markveidemanis I need some help with mesecons
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14:58 rubenwardy ...
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14:58 VanessaE bbl
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15:03 jojoa1997|Tablet Sôooooœooooooooooooooooppo bored
15:03 rubenwardy joined #minetest
15:04 jojoa1997|Tablet SS
15:05 jojoa1997|Tablet ß
15:05 rubenwardy potato!
15:05 jojoa1997|Tablet Patato
15:06 jojoa1997|Tablet So so so tired
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15:06 jojoa1997|Tablet Need need need lunch
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15:06 * jojoa1997|Tablet is a broken record record record player
15:07 jojoa1997|Tablet Some one needs to make another hammer
15:07 jojoa1997|Tablet Game
15:07 jojoa1997|Tablet Who plays realtest
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15:08 rubenwardy spam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82477#p82477
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15:13 jojoa1997|Tablet !up forum.minetest.net
15:13 MinetestBot forum.minetest.net:30000 is up (0.342ms)
15:13 Leoneof !up
15:13 MinetestBot Leoneof: Give me a Server Address
15:13 Leoneof !up www.google.com
15:13 MinetestBot www.google.com:30000 seems to be down
15:14 Leoneof !up www.google.com:80
15:14 MinetestBot Leoneof: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
15:14 Leoneof !up www.google.com 80
15:14 MinetestBot www.google.com:80 seems to be down
15:14 Leoneof good, google is down
15:15 Jordach !ping google.com
15:19 rubenwardy !ping Jordach
15:19 Jordach yes
15:20 rubenwardy A whole second!
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15:23 Jordach rubenwardy, it should be low
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15:25 jojoa1997|Tablet we should un OP ChanServ
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15:29 hylian how do i get a different biome? everytime i start, i get the same jungle with deep pits to a super deep ocean biome. I saw pics for desert and plains and stuff, is that available in c55?
15:29 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
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15:30 hylian so how do i access that option? starting screen of minetest does not give me the optiion.
15:30 jojoa1997_Tablet just keep searching
15:31 hylian so what you are saying is that all the biomes are on the same map?
15:31 jojoa1997|Tablet first time i landed i found a giant desert and didnt know there were other things
15:31 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
15:31 jojoa1997|Tablet have you changed minetest.conf
15:32 hylian no i have not
15:32 jojoa1997|Tablet ok what version do you have
15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet and the three biomes in minetest are forest, plain, and oceon
15:33 hylian i have c55
15:34 hylian are there any towns with friendlies like mc?
15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet first it is minetest
15:34 hylian i know.
15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet second what version is it?
15:35 jojoa1997|Tablet 0.4.6?
15:35 jojoa1997|Tablet 0.4.5?
15:35 rubenwardy 0.3.1?
15:35 jojoa1997|Tablet pre-release?
15:35 hylian ohh, i don't know. I am running ubuntu 12.04 lts, and I just installed what was available via apt-get.
15:35 rubenwardy It will say in the top left of the screen
15:35 rubenwardy when you run it
15:35 jojoa1997|Tablet like "Minetest-0.x.x"
15:36 hylian it says 0.3.1
15:36 jojoa1997|Tablet oh
15:36 jojoa1997|Tablet well heres current biomes
15:36 jojoa1997|Tablet http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Biomes
15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet and deserts were not add until 0.4
15:37 hylian should i get a newer version of mt?
15:37 rubenwardy yes, definitely
15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet YES
15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet we are at 0.4.6
15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet http://minetest.net/download.php
15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet there there are official downloads and
15:38 jojoa1997|Tablet we have deserts, diamonds, bronze, gold, copper, and obsidian
15:38 jojoa1997|Tablet though unlike minecraft we have obsidian glass
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15:40 hylian thanks for the help!
15:42 jojoa1997|Tablet your welcome
15:42 jojoa1997|Tablet better yet
15:42 jojoa1997|Tablet with 0.4.x you can have mods
15:42 celeron55 you need one from here, but nobody can tell which one without the specifics of your system: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable/+packages
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15:43 celeron55 this if 32-bit, https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable/+files/minetestc55_0.4.6-0ppa1%7Eprecise1_i386.deb or this if 64bit: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable/+files/minetestc55_0.4.6-0ppa1%7Eprecise1_amd64.deb
15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet why do linux users need packages
15:44 jojoa1997|Tablet celeron55 what os do you use?
15:44 celeron55 or you could add the PPA to your package manager and do it that way, google about that
15:44 celeron55 (i don't even know how that exactly works)
15:44 Calinou jojoa1997|Tablet: he uses debian and arch
15:44 Calinou and windows xp in a vm :p
15:44 jojoa1997|Tablet i mean you
15:44 jojoa1997|Tablet oh ok
15:45 jojoa1997|Tablet every other os should processstuff like windows when it comes to packages
15:45 jojoa1997|Tablet i just download and place and i dont have to worry about not having multiple copies
15:45 Calinou you can do that
15:46 celeron55 you can make such packages on linux too, but it isn't really recommended and isn't the default, and isn't that easy
15:46 jojoa1997|Tablet if i install ubuntu on a live usb
15:46 jojoa1997|Tablet run it
15:46 jojoa1997|Tablet do i have to have a different version of minetest
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet also i plan on using wine
15:47 Calinou just make a package with the source and bundle a binary, celeron55?
15:47 Calinou sauerbraten and red eclipse both do that
15:47 Calinou you extract the .tar.bz2, install SDL and run the start script
15:47 Calinou (the most complicated part is well, install SDL, and it is poorly documented)
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15:47 celeron55 Calinou: you need to build the binary against an old enough glibc and other libraries
15:48 * Jordach thinks jojoa should not interfere with linux
15:48 celeron55 it will only work on as old system as you build it on, not older
15:48 * Menche thinks actual packages are more convenient
15:48 Jordach yeah, apt-get install makes life SO MUCH EASIER
15:48 celeron55 Menche: they really aren't, because you need a ton of them
15:48 celeron55 Menche: check that launchpad page i linked to
15:48 celeron55 it has 6 packages for 0.4.6
15:48 celeron55 all are needed
15:49 Calinou blame debian packages team
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15:49 jojoa1997|Tablet i am only using ubuntu to bypass some things
15:49 Calinou soon the creative mode will be a separate package
15:49 jojoa1997|Tablet ?
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15:49 hylian man, the difference is night and day. thanks again.
15:49 jojoa1997|Tablet what a new mod?
15:49 jojoa1997|Tablet also
15:49 jojoa1997|Tablet there are 3d players faster gen
15:50 jojoa1997|Tablet wanna know all the new stuff?
15:50 jojoa1997|Tablet here http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Version_History
15:50 jojoa1997|Tablet gtg cya
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15:56 rubenwardy1 ffs
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15:57 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
15:57 Calinou :| he left
15:57 khonkhortisan cool, I got in the changelog
16:04 Leoneof where's alex256 ? :)
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16:08 Leoneof oh hello alex256 !
16:09 Leoneof did you find a tree? lol
16:09 alex256 i thought of something useful....editable arrow signs that the player can mark his way out of a mine with.
16:09 alex256 yes
16:09 alex256 and hi
16:10 Leoneof <--Testing99 :)
16:10 alex256 ahhhh...
16:12 alex256 the sign says "this way out "and gives the player the option of which way the arrow points.
16:13 alex256 simple but would be usefull
16:14 Leoneof brb
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16:19 alex256 i guess no one thought my idea was good.....
16:20 Menche arrow signs? i like it
16:20 khonkhortisan But you can do almost that with regular signs
16:20 Menche by writing "-->" to it?
16:20 alex256 yea i guess you are right ...nm
16:21 Menche signs don't show the text unless you look at them; arrow-shaped signs would be easier
16:21 TTChangeTheWorld alex256: Good idea!
16:21 TTChangeTheWorld Do it on Lua ^^
16:21 alex256 thanks
16:22 TTChangeTheWorld Can you do it yourself on lua?
16:22 alex256 i have no coding experience.....just ideas...
16:23 TTChangeTheWorld Hm...
16:23 Menche just copy the default sign code and change the texture and name
16:23 TTChangeTheWorld Menche: Hm... no
16:23 Menche ?
16:23 TTChangeTheWorld Player must chose where will the arrow look...
16:23 alex256 the arrow pointing  script would be the one that would frustrate me ...
16:24 Menche make the sign rotate on punch?
16:24 TTChangeTheWorld Hm
16:24 TTChangeTheWorld to 6 directions?
16:25 Menche 6? 4.
16:25 alex256 or talk aboutit enough so someone steals my idea : P
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16:25 alex256 no just up,down ,left and right
16:26 TTChangeTheWorld alex256: But into deep and to the camera??)
16:26 TTChangeTheWorld Sorry... I just don't know how to say it in english
16:26 TTChangeTheWorld Like the faces of cube...
16:26 alex256 tyea
16:27 alex256 yea ...sorry for the t...its a habit..
16:27 TTChangeTheWorld alex256: What it tyea?
16:29 TTChangeTheWorld TyeA, a third protein involved in the control of Yop release??))
16:29 TTChangeTheWorld I have founded it in google(
16:29 TTChangeTheWorld Guyyys...
16:29 TTChangeTheWorld What is tyea
16:29 TTChangeTheWorld ???
16:30 alex256 a typo...it was supposed to be yea but because of gaming habits i pressed t first....lol
16:32 TTChangeTheWorld ))
16:32 TTChangeTheWorld ty
16:32 TTChangeTheWorld I am just wanna sleep...
16:32 TTChangeTheWorld I understand nothing now)
16:33 alex256 lol
16:38 Menche my server says it's "announcing to servers.minetest.net", but it doesn't show up
16:38 ShadowNinja Menche: make sure the serverlist can ping you
16:39 Menche pretty sure it can
16:40 ShadowNinja is the address set correctly?
16:41 Menche yes, it's all set the same
16:41 ShadowNinja !up menche.servegame.com
16:41 MinetestBot menche.servegame.com:30000 is up (0.368ms)
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16:42 ShadowNinja 21 clients on zeg9's server?
16:44 ShadowNinja Menche: what does your conf look like
16:44 alex256 ....server_announce 1....is set in the minetest.confright?
16:44 Menche yes
16:44 Menche the config is exactly the same as when it was working earlier
16:44 alex256 hmmm....?
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16:46 alex256 you may have 2 minetest.conf  files conflicting with each other...had that prob the other day.....o
16:46 Menche i only have 1
16:46 alex256 ok
16:46 Menche it's a systemwide install
16:47 alex256 linux?
16:47 paxcoder VanessaE?
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16:48 alex256 i had a minetest.conf hiding in /user/share/minetest/games
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16:49 * sfan5 has made a working (not complete) brainfuck cpu in logisim
16:49 rubenwardy minetest.conf is the setttings for that particular game, if it is in /user/share/minetest/games/<name>
16:50 alex256 right i forgot the /minetest folder in games ..thanks for correcting me
16:50 Menche only have 1 config file
16:51 celeron55 if a game minetest.conf and the user's minetest.conf both have a setting, the user's one will always be used
16:51 Menche and i can verify the settings using /set in-game
16:51 Menche on startup it said that it was announcing to servers.minetest.net
16:52 alex256 the version i had the other day was mising the commons folder and when i edited my minetest.conf for singleplayer it overwrot the one in the share folder....wierd its only happened once
16:53 alex256 i manually installed my minetest....so wierd stuff happens to me alot
16:57 alex256 run the server from a terminal and see if it says announcing to servers.minetest.net
16:57 Menche it does
16:57 alex256 that is wierd....
16:59 celeron55 is the server actually accessible from the internet?
16:59 celeron55 servers.minetest.net won't list it if it isn't
16:59 Menche !up menche.servegame.com 30000
16:59 MinetestBot menche.servegame.com:30000 is up (0.503ms)
17:00 markveidemanis I need help with digilines on 86.133.49.153
17:00 Menche it is
17:00 alex256 i can join it but it does't show up in the public....
17:01 alex256 that is wierd.....dont know how you could fix that issue?
17:01 Menche can verify with /set that the settings are right
17:02 alex256 have you tried to restart your server to see if that works?
17:02 Menche 3 times
17:02 alex256 crap
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17:03 celeron55 Menche: do you have server_address set correctly in minetest.conf?
17:03 Pest sup, guys. How can i install Mobs mod on ubuntu server?
17:03 alex256 it should be blank right
17:03 Menche server_address = menche.servegame.com
17:03 Pest following wiki instructions doesnt work
17:03 celeron55 i think it should work if server_address is correct and server_announce is set to 1... dunno then
17:04 Menche Pest: is minetest installed system-wide? and what game are you using?
17:04 alex256 try making it blank...see what that does?
17:04 celeron55 alex256: of course it won't work; then the master server obviously cannot connect to it
17:05 Menche server_announce = 1, serverlist_url = servers.minetest.net
17:05 sokomine pest: and which version of mobs do you want to install? there are several mods that add mobs
17:06 celeron55 Pest: there are roughly 3 wikis, you may want to link the specific page
17:06 celeron55 Pest: and please tell how does it not work, there are million ways for that to happen
17:06 alex256 yes but doesn't it re_write the server address when you restart...i always just leave mine blank.
17:07 * Menche had problems with the server overwriting it all the time
17:07 Pest so... let me see how to explain. I just unpacked deb in Windows and via FTP put it on server
17:07 Menche so i made the minetest.conf readonly
17:07 Pest then i just start minetestserver
17:07 sokomine celeron: there's a strange fps drop on menches server. if i stay in/close to my house there (admittedly using a lot of stairplus-nodeboxes but overall beeing a rather small house), fps drop drasticly from 15-20 (15 would be expected value with many nodeboxes around) to 0-3. walking away from that location for a few seconds helps recover the framerate
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17:08 sokomine pest: are you completely new to the game or are you a bit familiar with it?
17:08 alex256 deb is not for windows..its for debian
17:09 Pest i'm absolutely new. and Deb is just an archive
17:09 Menche Pest: you unpacked the deb on windows? you should FTP the deb to the server and install with dpkg -i
17:09 Pest well, i never use easiest way=)
17:09 Menche i know, but were all the files installed correctly? debs are supposed to be installed with dpkg -i [deb file]
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17:10 Pest in user/Minetest just 2 folders: bin and share
17:11 Pest i think, thats not all
17:11 Pest but server works... somehow
17:11 Menche and what game mode were you running
17:11 Pest minetest
17:11 Menche you put the mod in ~/.minetest/mods/minetest ?
17:11 Pest yep
17:12 Pest wait
17:12 Pest no, not in root
17:12 Pest user spavce
17:12 Pest space*
17:12 alex256 .....
17:12 Menche "~" means your home directory
17:12 Pest sry
17:12 Menche so, /home/[your name]/.minetest/mods/minetest
17:12 Pest exactly
17:13 Menche what is in /usr/share/minetest/games ?
17:14 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
17:15 Pest common, minetest_game, minimal
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17:15 Jordach NotReallyNick, morning, afternoon
17:15 markveidemanis are there any more mods like digilines
17:16 Menche Pest: what version are you using? how did you start the serve?
17:16 Menche *server
17:16 alex256 why didn't he just get the windows version if he has windows?
17:17 Pest 0.4.6.  Most dumbest way-- /mc/minetestserver--->Enter
17:17 rubenwardy (6:09:04 PM) Pest: i'm absolutely new. and Deb is just an archive
17:17 Pest because of curiosity
17:17 rubenwardy woops
17:18 Menche does the server run?
17:18 Pest yeah
17:18 Menche does it show the big ascii-art "Minetest"?
17:19 alex256 if you started it  from a console it would be /minetestserver --worldname <name>
17:19 Jordach ./minetestserver *
17:19 * Jordach is a picky cunt5
17:19 Jordach -5
17:20 alex256 or in my case # minetestserver --worldname <name>
17:20 Pest yes, and i able to connect it
17:20 Menche try adding "--gameid minetest"
17:21 Pest tnx for wasting time helping me =)
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17:22 Menche another thing to help test, add print("mobs started") to the beginning of the mod's init.lua
17:22 Menche then "mobs started" should be printed when the server is started
17:22 Menche (to the console)
17:22 alex256 is there a game.conf in the usr/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/
17:23 alex256 i had a deb version that didn't have one thats why i was asking
17:24 Menche also, run the in-game command "/mods" and see if that mod is listed
17:25 rubenwardy (6:20:26 PM) Menche: try adding "--gameid minetest"
17:25 rubenwardy Pest: he was being serious
17:25 rubenwardy (6:21:08 PM) Pest: tnx for wasting time helping me =)
17:25 Pest hm
17:25 rubenwardy game id is the game to use in the root/minetest/game/game name
17:25 Pest i meaned: thanks that you spend a time and help me
17:25 rubenwardy oot/minetest/game/minetest_game is "minetest"
17:25 rubenwardy oh ok
17:25 Pest =)
17:27 Pest [21:17:11] <rubenwardy> (6:09:04 PM) Pest: i'm absolutely new. and Deb is just an archive
17:27 Pest [21:17:43] <rubenwardy> woops
17:28 Pest dunno, if i got you correct. But PeaZip opens deb files as well
17:28 rubenwardy (6:08:25 PM) sokomine: pest: are you completely new to the game or are you a bit familiar with it?
17:28 Pest new
17:28 rubenwardy I got mixed up with my log history scroll
17:28 alex256 i like that someone added the survival_game
17:28 rubenwardy I thought that was after  (6:09:04 PM) Pest: i'm absolutely new. and Deb is just an archive
17:29 Pest now i completelly messed up=)
17:29 Pest nwm
17:32 alex256 i didn't know linux executable files were compatable with windows......guess i should learn more about windows
17:33 Jordach alex256, NOPE
17:34 Jordach cygwin or GTFO
17:34 alex256 i would recommend him getting the windows minetest.zip from http://minetest.net/download.php
17:34 alex256 probably would be less frustrating for him....
17:35 Jordach alex256, you have 10 seconds to answer this question: 1+1=10, (other IRC users, please dont say anything and NO GOOGLING.)
17:36 Exio pls
17:36 alex256 i give up i thought it was 2
17:36 Exio binary
17:36 * Jordach dislikes people WHO THINK THEY KNOW BASIC Computer Science
17:37 Jordach bbiab
17:37 alex256 ahh 0 is off and 1 is on the only 2 nombers that matter...
17:37 alex256 numbers
17:37 * Jordach claps sarcastically
17:38 alex256 i dont know anything i dont know how to code...troubleshooting is the only thing i am decent at
17:40 alex256 i haven't done any programing since the commodore vic 20...lol...and yes i am serious
17:42 PilzAdam Jordach, Moontest map makes progress: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=81087#p81087
17:43 PilzAdam Im glad to be listed as a contributor
17:43 alex256 10 blah blah blah              20 blah blah     30 print blah blah    40 run....i dont miss it a bit
17:45 alex256 i spent 2 weeks writing a pong program and when i typed 1000000 run a ball bounced back and forth on the screen ....but i didn't have any paddles
17:45 alex256 thus my programming day were over lol
17:52 Calinou Jordach: only stock intel fans can clap sarcastically.
17:52 Calinou you aren't allowed to do so unless you have a CPU with SarClap technology
17:52 Jordach Calinou, intel cpu here
17:52 Calinou (found on i3 and i7s, but not i5s)
17:52 RealBadAngel there are 10 kinds of ppl, those who understand binary and those who dont :)
17:53 Jordach i see what you did there
17:53 Leoneof 10 print blah    20 goto 10
17:53 alex256 wel i have piece of crap self built comp with puppy linux so i guess what i say is pure meaningless rubbish...
17:53 Leoneof that's BASIC, eww
17:53 Calinou Leoneof Leoneof; new Leoneof
17:54 Leoneof dont!
17:54 alex256 yeah i know right...i hated basic
17:54 Jordach C you later
17:56 alex256 i dont claim to be some computer wiz....so i hope no one dislikes me ....
17:57 Leoneof you're still cutie
17:57 alex256 rotfl
18:00 Leoneof :)
18:01 RealBadAngel Jordach, C++ you later ;)
18:02 alex256 i just manhandled the newest ubuntu precise minetest release into puppy ... seems to be working....i am just going to roll with it.
18:04 alex256 things would be much easier if i knew exactly what i was doing
18:07 alex256 next i am going to try do it in tiny core see if that works......
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18:09 STHGOM cya
18:09 john_minetest cya STHGOM
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18:09 john_minetest tinycore is funny
18:10 alex256 go hang a salami im a lasagna hog....spells the same thing backwards...now thats funny
18:12 john_minetest The first entry on the download page for LMMS ("Linux MultiMedia Studio") is the download link for WINDOWS... now thats funny.
18:13 alex256 that program is wierd
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18:13 alex256 a generic fruity loops
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18:14 alex256 i take it you are a musician John?
18:15 onpon4 Out of curiosity, with the libraries Minetest currently uses, is it possible for it to detect joysticks?
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18:16 alex256 you would need a gamepad profiler of some kind. i think it might work...
18:17 alex256 you would have to map the keys ....shouldn't be that hard though
18:18 onpon4 alex256: So, if I wanted to add gamepad support, what would I want to use?
18:18 alex256 what os are you on
18:19 onpon4 Oh, I could map keys with joy2key easily enough, but I'm wondering about adding actual gamepad support to Minetest.
18:20 onpon4 Would something Minetest already uses be suitable for the job, or would another dependency need to be added?
18:20 alex256 err i have no idea then...i will keep quite
18:21 Exio no idea how irrlicht handes the stuff
18:21 Exio handles*
18:21 ShadowNinja alex256: could you please add fast to default privs on your server?
18:24 Hwkiller if only irrlicht spoke SDL
18:26 onpon4 Would it be possible to use SDL alongside Irrlicht, or do they conflict?
18:26 Hwkiller ? irrlicht would just need to use the SDL libs
18:27 Hwkiller apparently sdl2's input handling is sexy, but I don't know
18:27 Hwkiller I heard that from some devs on #steamlug
18:29 Hwkiller is there a way to map inventory to "mouse4" ?
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18:37 Traxie21 Where is minetest.conf in 0.4.6?
18:37 PilzAdam same as every version since 0.2
18:38 Traxie21 I started my server, and there is no minetest.conf, and when I added one, nothing changes
18:38 Traxie21 I'm in a drastic hurry too.
18:38 PilzAdam you need to create it when the server isnt running
18:39 Menche ~/.minetest/minetest.conf
18:39 Traxie21 Menche, portable install
18:39 Menche oh, then just in the minetest folder
18:40 Traxie21 nvm, working now
18:41 Traxie21 Btw, I run ubuntu from a USB stick now :D
18:41 Traxie21 Still working out the kinks
18:42 Traxie21 barf
18:42 alex256 puppy is better jusy my oppinion...
18:42 alex256 from a usb that is
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18:43 Leoneof why linux is scaring you, because you can't install on your hdd?
18:43 mauvebic and i thought the toilet was learning to talk - turns out the sewers backed up :(
18:43 Traxie21 Leoneof, My computer is owned by someone else, my boss to be exact, and he dosn't want me messing with it
18:43 Traxie21 I hvae a 32GB USB now, and it seems to wrk fine
18:44 alex256 i have ubuntu,mint ,puppy,tango studio,and fedora..on my 3 hdds
18:44 PilzAdam and you use windows?
18:45 alex256 fruga on the puppy work better than the other os's
18:45 alex256 frugal
18:45 alex256 i do not use windows any more
18:45 Traxie21 I don't use windows... anymore XD
18:45 Traxie21 since the last 10 minutes
18:46 alex256 seriously try the new puppy distro on a usb..it is way faster than ubuntu
18:47 alex256 takes a minute to get used to but its worth it
18:47 Calinou oh hai Traxie21 :P
18:47 Calinou and bye (dinner)
18:47 Traxie21 Yeah, but I want ubuntu for full-fledged things, eg java, minetest, pie, pie, youtube, pie.
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18:47 Traxie21 bai
18:47 Calinou btw, you should put some maptools:nobuild around your spawn to keep people from placing lava
18:47 Calinou on sunrisetest
18:47 Calinou :>
18:47 alex256 i have java and all the other stuff on my puppy
18:48 Traxie21 I know cal XD
18:48 Menche still not on the server list...
18:48 alex256 i can even play shhh....minecraft on it...if i want to''''
18:48 Leoneof i don't use Windowz
18:48 Traxie21 Whats not on serverlist?
18:48 Menche my server
18:48 Traxie21 alex, I'll consider puppy, but I don't wnat to install something else today, i gtg soon
18:49 Menche it says it is announcing but doesn't show up
18:49 Traxie21 @Menche, did you compile with c
18:49 Traxie21 URL?
18:49 alex256 its only 200 mbs
18:49 Menche yes.
18:49 Traxie21 ok, your ping may be kinda slow
18:49 Menche it was working yesterday, with the same config
18:49 Traxie21 My server is still on the serverlist, and its down :P
18:53 Menche oh, think i see the problem
18:53 Menche yay it's on
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18:54 Traxie21 Woot
18:54 Traxie21 Have to go in 1 min, copying files for 4 mins :C
18:54 alex256 what was the culprit?
18:57 alex256 later everyone
18:57 Traxie21 Hurrrrrryyyy up.....
18:57 Traxie21 bai
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19:16 mauvebic this picture: http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/518728887-11.jpg?w=940
19:16 mauvebic lol
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19:19 jojoa1997|Tablet who runs ubuntu from a live uwsb
19:19 jojoa1997|Tablet usb
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19:22 JesseH ive figured it out
19:22 JesseH we need planes in Minetest
19:22 JesseH :D
19:23 jojoa1997|Tablet jesseh
19:23 jojoa1997|Tablet i am trying to boot ubuntu from usb
19:23 JesseH hi
19:23 JesseH okay
19:24 jojoa1997|Tablet can you help
19:24 JesseH doesn't seem like I can
19:24 jojoa1997|Tablet you said ask earlier
19:24 jojoa1997|Tablet oh ok
19:24 jojoa1997|Tablet or i think it was you
19:24 JesseH Yep it was
19:25 JesseH What is the issue?
19:25 jojoa1997|Tablet it wont boot
19:25 JesseH You're going to have to be more specific
19:25 JesseH also a lot of pros are in #ubuntu
19:25 JesseH just don't swear, or youll be banned xD
19:26 jojoa1997|Tablet i have it boot the
19:26 jojoa1997|Tablet nvm
19:26 JesseH xD
19:26 jojoa1997|Tablet i dont really need it and it will just get me in trouble from my mom
19:26 JesseH sorry I couldnt be of more assistance
19:26 JesseH meh
19:26 JesseH If she don't like linux, she isn't helping you at all
19:26 JesseH xD
19:26 jojoa1997|Tablet no it is complicated
19:27 JesseH Oh :(
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19:32 JesseH someone needs to host a little server for me to play on xD
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19:36 Calinou hi :p
19:37 Calinou happy birthday minetest 0.4_20120408
19:37 Calinou (and c-fifty-five's server by the way)
19:40 JesseH \o/
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19:42 PilzAdam w00t
19:42 PilzAdam 2 fucking thousand!
19:42 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82554#p82554
19:42 * Calinou watches the new red eclipse trailer
19:42 Calinou PilzAdam, your last post was "lol" :P
19:46 Hwkiller finally found lava for the first time
19:46 Hwkiller awesome
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19:46 Calinou /teleport 0,-500,0
19:47 Calinou hello tablet user: jojoa1997|Tablet
19:47 jojoa1997|Tablet Home finally hi
19:47 * Calinou starts a debate about the usefulness of 7" tablets
19:47 jojoa1997|Tablet For or against?
19:47 jojoa1997|Tablet :-)
19:47 Calinou against >:D
19:47 jojoa1997|Tablet Why
19:47 jojoa1997|Tablet Wait
19:48 jojoa1997|Tablet Let me tell you why good
19:48 jojoa1997|Tablet For my side
19:48 * Calinou still has his ipad 1 lying around: 2.5 years and still works
19:48 Calinou browsing the minecraft wiki around with it == weird
19:48 Calinou and you do NOT want to edit articles
19:48 jojoa1997|Tablet Well it is good for me cause
19:48 jojoa1997|Tablet .....
19:48 jojoa1997|Tablet .....
19:48 Calinou really, I've did that for months back in 2011 :P for the lols
19:48 jojoa1997|Tablet I do and
19:48 jojoa1997|Tablet ....
19:48 Leoneof .
19:48 Calinou bloody hell
19:48 * Calinou leaves
19:49 jojoa1997|Tablet I can use this in school
19:49 Leoneof anyone have home in minetest? :)
19:49 jojoa1997|Tablet It is like a computer from home except
19:49 jojoa1997|Tablet I can't play minetest with it
19:49 Hwkiller http://i.imgur.com/eW5ek96.png beautiful
19:50 jojoa1997|Tablet Also I have a Bluetooth keyboard so I can type fast
19:50 jojoa1997|Tablet Has anyone thought of having an in browser minetest for chrome
19:53 jojoa1997|Tablet Well.....
19:53 jojoa1997|Tablet Anyone?
19:53 Leoneof mojojojo
19:54 mojojojo Lol registered
19:55 Leoneof it was nice
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19:58 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: yes
19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet What
19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet Is it compiled?
19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet =-O
19:59 sfan5 no
19:59 sfan5 <jojoa1997|Tablet> [01:50:44] Has anyone thought of having an in browser minetest for chrome
19:59 sfan5 let me find the link again..
19:59 Calinou Hwkiller, -1 for unity/netflix
19:59 jojoa1997|Tablet What link
19:59 jojoa1997|Tablet Someone made it
19:59 Calinou <Hwkiller> http://i.imgur.com/eW5ek96.png beautiful
19:59 jojoa1997|Tablet :-*
19:59 Calinou -10000 for farheinheit/12 hour system, too
20:00 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82389#p82389
20:00 sfan5 Y U NO READ YER OWN TOPICS?
20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet I did
20:01 mauvebic farheinheit, who the fuck still uses that? lol
20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet I do
20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet More accurate than celcius
20:01 mauvebic most of the world is on metric
20:01 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: chrome supported c++? wtf?!
20:01 mauvebic well, the bits that matter anyways
20:01 sfan5 *supports
20:02 Calinou jojoa1997|Tablet, kelvin are more accurate then
20:02 Calinou or just use NotchUnit temperature
20:02 jojoa1997|Tablet That is what I use
20:02 Calinou 0.1 NotchUnit = 0 degrees
20:02 * Traxie21 dosn't mind XUbuntu as much as she thought she would.
20:02 * jojoa1997|Tablet kills Calinou
20:02 * Traxie21 still prefers Unity.
20:02 Calinou 0.151652 NotchUnits = 25.2 degrees
20:02 Calinou xubuntu?
20:02 Calinou HIGH FIVE!
20:02 jojoa1997|Tablet Ahh too many tabs
20:03 Traxie21 The only thing I don't really like is the lack of tabs in the file browser
20:03 jojoa1997|Tablet Calinou I tried to get it working
20:03 Calinou unity is ok, game performance ahs improved a lot these days
20:03 Calinou Traxie21, a thunar update brought tabs recently, it might come in 13.04
20:03 Traxie21 Thunar is actually kinda pretty :3
20:03 Calinou but any non-composited WM beats unity in gaming perf
20:03 Calinou it is 8)
20:03 Calinou greybird without compositing is fugly :|
20:03 sfan5 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82572#p82572 http://v.gd/OLhUDj
20:04 Traxie21 The dock at the bottom is annoying, just noticed it
20:04 jojoa1997|Tablet Scan when I said thought I meant made
20:04 Calinou Traxie21, go to "panel" preferences, select panel 2, remove
20:04 jojoa1997|Tablet Sfan4
20:04 Calinou ^ what I first do after installing xubuntu
20:04 jojoa1997|Tablet Lol OK can't type
20:04 mauvebic http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/04/08/193223/linux-fatware-distros-that-need-to-slim-down?utm_source=slashdot&amp;utm_medium=twitter
20:04 mauvebic lol fatware
20:05 Calinou slashdot, worse than phoronix since 2007®
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20:05 mauvebic better than reddit
20:05 sfan5 reddit!!
20:05 Calinou which is worse than 4chan
20:05 Calinou but 4chan is always better than jojoa1997|Tablet
20:05 Calinou but he is worse than mauvebic...
20:05 jojoa1997|Tablet Why
20:05 mauvebic ive never seen such a fugly site since the yahoo homepage of 95
20:05 Calinou dammit; too much logic
20:05 * Calinou killed himself.
20:06 jojoa1997|Tablet O:-)
20:06 mauvebic lol and the article proceeds to cite ubuntu as an example to follow lol
20:06 sfan5 john has 5 apples; a squirrel dies; why did Calinou suicide?
20:07 Traxie21 I wish people could spell on the Forums
20:07 sfan5 ^ jojoa1997|Tablet
20:07 Calinou gabe newell steals the apples and the dead squirrel
20:07 Traxie21 Seriously, I cannot tell what the hell Likwid is saying, and his IQ seems all ove rthe place
20:07 jojoa1997|Tablet Because he never bought a Bluetooth keyboard for his tablet
20:07 jojoa1997|Tablet So he wasted a year doing the impossible
20:07 Calinou Traxie21, +1, but it is impossible to correct the spelling of every post, sadly :)
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet Yeah
20:08 mauvebic why likwid is around at all baffles me lol
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet Also he posts me^5
20:08 Traxie21 I make spelling mistakes, but Likqid seems to think the the English language is like... slaughtering a cow
20:08 Calinou you just misspelled likwid :P
20:08 mauvebic What do you think of calling my ocean 'Sea 55' ?
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet Lol
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet Lol yes
20:08 Calinou mauvebic, rotfl
20:09 Menche joined #minetest
20:09 Traxie21 *Likwid
20:09 Calinou new signature get!
20:09 Traxie21 Fuck it
20:09 Traxie21 *liquid
20:09 jojoa1997|Tablet !!!!!!! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/612 !!!!!!
20:09 jojoa1997|Tablet I WANT THIS NOW
20:09 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: tell that the guys in ..-dev
20:09 Calinou get the branch, compile it, write a dummy mod that will use it, ???, profit
20:10 jojoa1997|Tablet I did
20:10 sfan5 actually.. Calinou is right
20:10 Calinou sfan5, I asked /dev, people like tty18, ram15 or null replied to me
20:10 Calinou they all said weird things.
20:10 Traxie21 Jojoa, I so want that too, but everyone wants a finally system
20:10 Calinou but null said nothing!
20:10 Traxie21 *final system
20:10 jojoa1997|Tablet Pilzadam I need you
20:10 PilzAdam busy
20:10 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: well... then you learned, that not everything you want happens
20:11 jojoa1997|Tablet I want to sleep
20:11 jojoa1997|Tablet Fine
20:11 jojoa1997|Tablet I want death
20:11 jojoa1997|Tablet Too bad I can't get what I want
20:11 mauvebic theres like, 2-3 pull requests for luajit, whats up with that?
20:11 jojoa1997|Tablet Muwhahahaha
20:12 sfan5 "/dev/fb0.... can i access facebook using that ?   -a windows noob with linux"
20:12 JesseH Anyone started any other games with the minetest engine?
20:12 jojoa1997|Tablet Yes
20:12 jojoa1997|Tablet Minecraft
20:12 Traxie21 Minitest, Dwarves, etc.
20:12 * Menche has started on one but it's barely functional
20:13 * Calinou has an unfinished attempt of minecraft_like around
20:13 JesseH Shows meh
20:13 jojoa1997|Tablet Minecraft-Minitest
20:13 Calinou JesseH, meh, no
20:13 Calinou it's very outdated too
20:13 jojoa1997|Tablet Nope
20:13 jojoa1997|Tablet I updated it
20:14 Traxie21 That moment when you have to go, and the permissions system on your server breaks...
20:14 mauvebic speaking of outdated, i went over to linux game tome since its going down, and the minetest page was reallllly outdated lol
20:14 Calinou >linux gaming sites
20:14 Calinou >up to date
20:14 Traxie21 LOL
20:14 Traxie21 LOOOOL
20:14 Traxie21 >Error, unknown command
20:14 mauvebic i have no idea which one is tops lol linux game tome was the first show up in googles tho
20:14 jojoa1997|Tablet So...
20:14 Calinou why lol :P
20:15 JesseH Maybe I should just use the forums for this kind of info :(((
20:15 Menche debian package is still 0.3.1 :(
20:16 Menche even in "sid"
20:16 Calinou hey, this is debian
20:16 Calinou update me maybe
20:16 Traxie21 sudo apt-get install brain
20:16 Traxie21 >Error: unable to locate package brain in current software sources
20:17 Menche so i suppose there's zero chance of a more recent minetest in debian 7.0
20:17 Menche as it's frozen
20:17 Traxie21 Likwid@somecomputer-x60: sudo apt-get install spelling-basic
20:17 mauvebic this is gonna be an epic sea: been filling chunks for 3 days
20:17 Traxie21 Error: Unable to install package, incompatable system
20:17 jojoa1997|Tablet La
20:17 Calinou Traxie21, likwid with a lenovo laptop? nope.
20:17 jojoa1997|Tablet Lalu
20:18 Calinou he'd probably have an acer laptop :P
20:18 Traxie21 I has lenovo
20:18 Traxie21 and I hate it
20:18 Calinou Menche, yep, that's debian
20:18 Calinou weird
20:18 Calinou most lenovo users are die-hard lenovo fanboys, see reddit :P
20:18 Menche he made a map and credited c55 for making minetest :P
20:18 jojoa1997|Tablet Who has seen Star wars
20:18 Calinou that made me rofl, Menche :P
20:18 Calinou jojoa1997|Tablet, not me
20:19 Menche "{Yes I know you didn't help  C55 but I love using you for alot of things :) }"
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20:19 * Menche wonders if we've made fun of likwid enough here :P
20:19 mauvebic naw, lets make fun of his manhood and question his virility
20:19 mauvebic :P
20:20 mauvebic (just kidding)
20:20 mauvebic dont even know if its a guy
20:21 jojoa1997|Tablet Wow
20:21 Menche hey, the FreeBSD port was updated... to 0.4.4
20:21 jojoa1997|Tablet Look at all of these channels http://irc.minetest.ru
20:21 Calinou Menche, woo-hoo!
20:21 * Calinou smokes some BSD to celebrate.
20:21 Menche better than the random 0.4.dev it used to be
20:21 Calinou ...I see devils everywhere
20:21 Menche and it has a separate port for minetest_game
20:21 Traxie21_ Meow
20:21 Traxie21_ O_o
20:21 Calinou woof
20:21 Traxie21_ kick the other me, I timed out
20:21 mauvebic i see dead people
20:22 ShadowNinja most of the minetest channels should be droped
20:22 mauvebic theres a cemetary right down the street
20:22 Traxie21 was kicked by Calinou: bai!
20:22 ShadowNinja only #minetest and #minetest-dev are realy used
20:22 Traxie21_ HOW DARE YO.. owiat
20:22 Calinou :)
20:22 mauvebic i hear the politics there are more intense :P
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20:22 Traxie21|XUbuntu alrighty guys, im outta here
20:22 Calinou :p
20:22 ShadowNinja Traxie21|XUbuntu: is your account registered?
20:22 Traxie21|XUbuntu ?
20:22 Traxie21|XUbuntu no
20:22 Menche what's #minetest-delta for? i thought minetest-delta died
20:23 mauvebic its still in aur lol
20:23 Traxie21|XUbuntu I dont want to register every nickname I use
20:23 Calinou it's for nothing, but some people use it for mod development
20:23 sdzen its for potatoes
20:23 mauvebic what about all the other greek letters? :(
20:23 ShadowNinja If you register it you can use ghost/release to get rid of the other you
20:23 Menche isn't minetest delta the old dev branch?
20:23 mauvebic been repossesed?
20:23 Traxie21|XUbuntu How do you register names?
20:23 Menche where new features were tested first
20:23 ShadowNinja delta was merged into master and abandoned
20:23 Menche Traxie21|XUbuntu: /msg NickServ help
20:24 Menche to get info about that
20:24 ShadowNinja /msg nickserv help register
20:24 Calinou what ShadowNinja said :P
20:24 ShadowNinja make sure you are using your main nick when you do it
20:24 Menche so, why is there still #minetest-delta
20:24 ironzorg ShadowNinja: watch this ↓
20:24 ironzorg /
20:24 mauvebic am i the only one who gets random PM's from MarkV?
20:24 sdzen yes
20:25 sdzen dang it sapier! appear!
20:25 ShadowNinja ironzorg: ?
20:25 Calinou Traxie21 lost her voice, heh
20:25 Menche lol, the only thing in the #minetest-delta logs for today is people joining
20:25 ironzorg ShadowNinja:
20:25 Traxie21|Kindle Nope
20:25 ironzorg /
20:25 Traxie21|Kindle Just registering names
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20:25 ShadowNinja What are you trying to tell me ironzorg?
20:25 Menche nobody has actually said anything on #minetest-delta for a few days
20:26 Calinou ironzorg, we know, put two slashes and it'll say 1 slash in chat
20:26 Traxie21|Laptop Welp
20:26 Traxie21|Laptop I'm off
20:26 Calinou bye
20:26 Traxie21|Laptop Cyas!
20:26 Traxie21|Laptop Linux Rocks^3
20:26 mauvebic glory to you, and your house
20:26 Menche actually, same for #minetest-doc too
20:26 Menche and #minetest-mods
20:27 Calinou mauvebic, and her kindle? D:
20:27 mauvebic p'tahk
20:27 mauvebic :P
20:27 Calinou Menche, two channels are enough :P
20:27 mauvebic kindle?
20:27 Calinou "Traxie21|Kindle"
20:27 mauvebic those chocolate eggs with plastic toys?
20:27 Calinou heh
20:27 sdzen haha :P
20:27 sdzen those eggs are good
20:27 Calinou amazon tablet, similar build quality :P
20:27 sdzen d
20:28 sdzen grr
20:28 mauvebic me no likeys tablets
20:28 mauvebic even changed my mind on android phones
20:28 Calinou for heating your house, a GTX 680 will do the job better than an ipad, for the same price
20:28 mauvebic i have a cat that demands less attention
20:28 Calinou it's cold in france, right now :<
20:29 Calinou mauvebic, lol'd at the comparison :P
20:29 mauvebic dang
20:29 mauvebic here its so warm everything melted in a day and the sewers backed up
20:29 mauvebic i kept hearing this strange noise from the toilet, i thought it was trying to communicate
20:29 mauvebic turns out it was air backing up
20:29 Calinou communist toilet
20:29 mauvebic then the tub, the sinks
20:29 mauvebic seriously lol
20:30 mauvebic got drano
20:30 jojoa1997|Tablet it is so hot here i am sweeting from sitting outside in the shade
20:30 * Calinou is now playing: CommunistCraft
20:30 jojoa1997|Tablet wait a second why am i stil out here
20:30 * jojoa1997|Tablet goes inside
20:30 Calinou the power of tablets: feel any temperature, in minutes
20:30 mauvebic neck pain too
20:30 mauvebic back pain
20:31 mauvebic i slept on a futon for 2 years so that dont help lol
20:31 JesseH I heard notch is in this channel
20:31 JesseH getting ideas
20:31 Menche ?
20:31 mauvebic he doesn't even work on MC anymore
20:31 JesseH Oh is it you Menche ?????
20:31 mauvebic or so ive heard
20:31 jojoa1997|Tablet he does
20:31 Doyousketch2 tablet's ok on heat, but got a laptop that's got that crazy heat issue.
20:31 JesseH mauvebic, don't believe what the internet says
20:31 jojoa1997|Tablet he is under his real name though
20:31 JesseH 0x10c hasnt been worked on in forever
20:31 Menche yeah, i thought notch left MC
20:32 JesseH the lazy bastards
20:32 Menche and was working on another project
20:32 jojoa1997|Tablet anyways i wonder why minecraft finally decided to split their extures in different files
20:32 mauvebic with food prices going up lately, maybe he needs to milk the MC thing a little longer
20:32 Calinou JesseH, lol
20:32 jojoa1997|Tablet probably because they saw the prob of adding more nodes
20:32 * Calinou already saw jeb_ and ez (Notch's ex-wife) in #minecraft @ espernet
20:32 Menche didn't minetest add jungles before minecraft did?
20:33 mauvebic who cares who did what first?
20:33 mauvebic :P
20:33 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah but ours were bleh
20:33 Calinou Menche, we did
20:33 mauvebic everything they can do, we can do better if we put our heads together
20:33 Calinou we should've patented that feature
20:33 Menche mesecons added lightstone before MC redstone got, whatever they call the equivalent
20:33 mauvebic or rather, when
20:34 Calinou Menche, mesecons are incredibly powerful, much better than minecraft's redstone
20:34 Calinou the redstone has a nice "fantasy" feel but for fantasy reasons, it is too limited
20:34 mauvebic yeah though mesecons could practically be a game in and of itself
20:34 Calinou e.g. no ability to place it in air or on walls
20:34 Calinou mesecons are more like electricity, I'm fine with that
20:35 Jordach well, that's a good start :P nuclear power station went band in simcity 2000
20:35 Menche my server has powerlines, couldn't do that with redstone because they have to be next to a solid node
20:35 Jordach bang*
20:35 mauvebic thought V said mesecons was like, TTL?
20:35 Calinou TTL?
20:35 mauvebic dont remember what it stands for, transistor something logic
20:35 mauvebic like, tiny amps, not kilowatts
20:35 Calinou Jordach, the new simcity removed them, now you can use internet-connection-powered water mills
20:36 Calinou only works if you have an internet connection
20:36 mauvebic and whenever the sims are thirsty, they all drive to the nearest pumping station
20:36 Jordach Calinou, i play the old 2000 version, before SC3,4
20:36 mauvebic and all the sims line up for the same hooker
20:36 Jordach my reactor exploded and annialated my city :P
20:39 Hwkiller does anyone else get really funky node images sometimes? the blocks are fine, but their picture in the inventory is way off
20:39 mauvebic texture_atlas = false
20:39 mauvebic *enable_tex...
20:39 Hwkiller in world.mt?
20:39 Hwkiller or... no, minetest.conf?
20:39 mauvebic i hear some people are approaching the node limite of 4096? insane
20:40 * VanessaE has returned (scrollback tl;dr)
20:40 mauvebic minetest.conf
20:40 Menche minetest.conf
20:40 VanessaE afternoon all
20:40 Jordach hey VanessaE
20:40 * Menche thinks that enable_texture_atlas and preload_item_visuals should be disabled by default
20:40 VanessaE hey
20:40 mauvebic yeah seems most people have to do it nowadays
20:41 Calinou mauvebic, so when cars need fuel, they go to the nearest mcdonalds
20:41 VanessaE mauvebic: approaching?  I exceeded it last night :(
20:41 RealBadAngel texture atlas is disabled by default and will be completely removed
20:41 mauvebic youd have thought they learned their lesson with simsocieties
20:41 Calinou Menche, atlas is off by default already, visuals is on sadly
20:42 Calinou RealBadAngel, poor c-fifty-five, he spent hours coding that :(
20:42 Calinou but it's not adapted for a game where you have mods
20:42 mauvebic 4096 nodes? how can one possibly have that many nodes? lol at around 1K i was like, ok , enough lol
20:42 Calinou it was fine when the game was monolithic
20:42 Calinou mauvebic, stairsplus
20:42 Calinou now everyone will blame me D:
20:42 VanessaE mauvebic: moretrees has stairsplus/circular saw support now, in the 'newstuff' branch
20:42 mauvebic well yeah but i have a mod with as many pieces and textures
20:43 mauvebic though, i dont have other mods creating similar pieces
20:43 RealBadAngel Calinou, in fact c55 started to make it obsolete, i just finished it
20:43 mauvebic how many doors?
20:43 VanessaE mauvebic: which is over a THOUSAND nodes by itself.
20:43 Hwkiller is a comment in lua "--" ?
20:43 Menche yes
20:43 Hwkiller I need to try to kill the tree growth in my server; it's ridiculous
20:43 VanessaE well around 750 I guess
20:43 Menche [[ ]] for a block comment
20:43 VanessaE (3 block types * 10 trees * 25 or so nodes)
20:43 mauvebic doors work fine on 2 nodes instead of 3, just get rid of the inventory placeholder and use an inventory image for the top or bottom piece
20:44 Menche or --[[ --]]
20:44 Calinou VanessaE, iirc a stairsplus material requires about 35 nodes, no?
20:44 Calinou there are 20 materials available at least
20:44 mauvebic 35 shapes? dang
20:44 VanessaE Calinou: a bit less than 32
20:44 Calinou ...more than 700 nodes
20:44 Calinou ah
20:44 Hwkiller I love the nature mod, except that it is making trees and papyrus grow to extraordinary heights
20:44 Calinou then 640 nodes already
20:44 mauvebic i have extra shapes commented out in case i ever need em, but i try to avoid it
20:44 Hwkiller like... towering over the island high
20:45 VanessaE Calinou: the saw has 32 output slots, only 2 or 3 of which are unused
20:45 RealBadAngel Calinou, you shall remove rotated ones
20:45 Calinou ah, yeah, forgot about that
20:45 Calinou RealBadAngel, won't that break compatibility?
20:45 PilzAdam Menche, FYI, you dont need the -- in front of the ]] to close a comment
20:45 mauvebic not necessarily
20:45 VanessaE Menche: I usually write --[[ ]]-- myself
20:46 Menche what're the last 2 dashes for?
20:46 PilzAdam LandMine spotted at #minetest-mods
20:46 jojoa1997|Tablet vanenessae you have too many textures in yoyur pack
20:46 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: so? :)
20:46 jojoa1997|Tablet but i have too many packs so it doesnt matter lol
20:46 RealBadAngel cut nodes count is more important than some unknown nodes which can be dug and replaced just
20:46 Menche LandMine on a dead channel?
20:46 VanessaE lots of mods support = lots of texture files.
20:46 PilzAdam Menche, he is often on #minetest-mods
20:47 mauvebic does he have the same IP as markv?
20:47 Calinou * LandMine :No such nick/channel
20:47 Menche ok, so he dropped into a dead channel, said something, then left
20:47 PilzAdam * OGLandMine (bdbf1a4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.191.26.76) hat #minetest-mods betreten
20:47 mauvebic or likwid?
20:47 VanessaE RealBadAngel: it's as simple as adding a conversion ABM to translate the redundant nodes into the newly-rotated ones.
20:47 Menche was OGLandMine
20:47 VanessaE the same is true for any mod that gets converted over to 6d
20:48 RealBadAngel easier to dig some nodes
20:48 mauvebic im still waiting on helper functions for that lol
20:48 Calinou VanessaE, who says ABM says slow
20:48 RealBadAngel also VanessaE, drop that sideways trunks and just make regular trunks use facedir
20:48 VanessaE Calinou: when the abm converts a node, that's one less node it has to trigger on later, so after a couple of seconds in any given region, the abm has nothing left to trigger on.
20:49 VanessaE RealBadAngel: too lazy ;)
20:49 RealBadAngel get your lazy ass to work then :)
20:49 ShadowNinja VanessaE: the technicaly correct way is --[[ --]]
20:49 VanessaE ShadowNinja: that doesn't look "properly" nested though
20:49 VanessaE which is why I do it the other way
20:49 mauvebic ^ whatever works
20:49 ShadowNinja in fact just ]] works
20:50 Menche the reason for that is, you can add another - to the --[[ to disable the comment
20:50 RealBadAngel use --[[ and ]]--
20:50 Menche --]] just becomes another comment then
20:50 Calinou VanessaE, won't that slow down a server when it just started?
20:51 Calinou ShadowNinja, I always use --[[ and --]], two extra bytes don't hurt :P
20:51 Menche LandMine's on from his usual IP address
20:51 VanessaE Calinou: nope.  only when a player enters an unconverted area, and then it'll be a very brief lag while the abm convers the nodes - then the abm has nothing left to trigger on
20:51 ShadowNinja Calinou: yep, me too
20:51 VanessaE just in case he shows up here...
20:51 RealBadAngel hehe
20:51 Calinou VanessaE, yes, but when the server restart, isn't the list of uncoverted areas reset?
20:51 * ShadowNinja has two ip addresses for him now
20:51 * Menche picks up a mithril sword
20:51 Calinou and how can you trigger an abm only once? set an huge interval?
20:52 * Calinou picks up a G36 like usual, Menche
20:52 VanessaE Calinou: nope.
20:52 VanessaE Calinou: you're just gonna be using add_node() to place the converted nodes.
20:53 VanessaE so the conversions will remain in the map, same as if a user had placed the
20:53 VanessaE them*
20:53 Calinou and which interval should I use then?
20:53 VanessaE Calinou: set an interval of 1 and a chance of 1.  trigger on the node name you need to convert.  add_node() to place it.
20:53 Calinou ah ok
20:54 VanessaE the next time the abm wants to trigger, there won't be anything to trigger on, so it won't run at all.
20:54 Calinou won't it even do a small check?
20:54 Hwkiller what's the best way to remove tons of blocks quickly? I want to kill off those gigantic, laggy trees in my server
20:54 VanessaE sure, in the engine it'll have to decide if the abm can even run, but that takes no time afaik.
20:54 VanessaE if there's nothing to run it on that is
20:54 Calinou Hwkiller, worldedit
20:54 Menche Hwkiller, try worldedit
20:54 Calinou VanessaE, ok
20:55 Hwkiller do you just replace the nodes with "air"?
20:55 Menche //replace whatever:node air
20:55 Hwkiller and how I can I find out the node name?
20:55 Calinou default:leaves and default:tree
20:56 Hwkiller thanks
20:56 Calinou Hwkiller, or, an extremely effective alternative
20:56 Calinou /giveme fire:basic_flame -1
20:56 Calinou right click trees
20:56 Menche hehehe
20:56 Calinou make sure no wooden building is near
20:56 Hwkiller lmao... hm...
20:56 Hwkiller that spreads on grass though right?
20:56 VanessaE Calinou: so that you'd do here is a loop, iterate through all the stair/slab/micro cuts that have an upside-down or sideways/wall variant, set an abm to trigger on that node, use add_node() therein to replace that with the normal right-side-up variant, rotated via 6d facedir.
20:56 Calinou -1 gives you 65535 nodes :P
20:57 Hwkiller I have no wooden buildings, but I also don't want to scorch the entire landscape
20:57 Hwkiller lol
20:57 VanessaE then here in about, oh, a month or two, the abm won't be needed anymore, so comment it out
20:57 Calinou dirt isn't flammable :P
20:57 Hwkiller oo...
20:57 Hwkiller then fire it is
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20:59 Doyousketch2 dirt shouldn't be flammable.  ShadowNinja was saying he ran into a bug last night where it was burning
21:01 ShadowNinja Doyousketch2: nope
21:01 Hwkiller that IS super effective
21:01 ShadowNinja I wanted a conf option to disable fire
21:01 rarkenin And an overrideable register_on_burn
21:01 Doyousketch2 I thought you said it burned out the ground under your house, and that's why you wanted to disable it
21:01 Menche a town on my server had lava as part of the city gate
21:01 Menche and wooden roads
21:02 Menche ...fire spread down the roads and hopped onto buildings, throughout the entire town
21:03 mauvebic shiiiit http://youtu.be/OmoldX1wKYQ
21:03 Menche people on my server are complaining about low FPS; i havan't had any problem with that though
21:05 Menche lava spills cause a lighting glitch where the ground stays lit even after the lava is gone
21:06 JesseH who wants to play some minetest
21:06 * Menche is playing minetest
21:06 * JesseH likes playing with others
21:07 Doyousketch2 I might play for a few.  what server?
21:07 VanessaE play on mine :)
21:07 * JesseH also needs a server to play on.
21:07 JesseH VanessaE, laggy?
21:07 * Menche shamelessly bumps his
21:08 JesseH Menche, ip pl0x
21:08 VanessaE JesseH: not any more laggy than anyone else's :)
21:08 JesseH >_>
21:08 * JesseH is skeptical
21:08 Menche menche.servegame.com, i don't have any lag problems but some others report bad FPS
21:09 VanessaE vanessae.mine.bz:30000
21:09 ShadowNinja JesseH: my server? :-)
21:09 Menche don't really know what FPS has to do with the server though, that's typically client-side
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21:09 jojoa1997|Tablet will he please stop spamming
21:09 * JesseH feels famous.
21:09 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82593#p82593
21:09 JesseH Everyone please PM me your servers pl0x
21:09 JesseH I have badddd add
21:10 JesseH ADD*
21:10 JesseH I'de be eternally grape-full
21:10 jojoa1997|Tablet over 1000 posts in 13 months
21:10 Calinou ADD?
21:10 Calinou too lazy to google the acronym of the day 8)
21:10 JesseH attention deficit disorder
21:10 JesseH xD
21:10 Calinou http://servers.minetest.net
21:10 VanessaE Calinou: it means he can't easily focus on one task at a time.
21:10 Calinou server list ^
21:10 Calinou VanessaE, I know what it is :P
21:10 jojoa1997|Tablet hay just cause some one has that doesnt mean thay cant focus
21:11 jojoa1997|Tablet even though i am a great example atm havent started homework
21:11 Calinou oh, there are people on sky hardcore
21:11 JesseH When I see a wall of text, I shut off irc ;)
21:11 jojoa1997|Tablet bbut still i post alot but not useless stuff
21:11 Calinou let me connect to that server using my netbook then grief the bridges
21:11 Calinou once I've did that, some guy tried to follow me and fell
21:11 Calinou lol'd
21:12 * Menche has 816 posts since July 2011, Likwid has 1,032 since January 2013
21:12 Calinou [citation needed], jojoa1997|Tablet
21:12 Calinou about 1700 posts here
21:12 jojoa1997|Tablet Calinou ?
21:12 * JesseH sees moar text
21:12 * JesseH dies
21:12 Exio 1 post
21:12 * jojoa1997|Tablet kills
21:12 JesseH lol
21:12 Calinou <Menche> people on my server are complaining about low FPS; i havan't had any problem with that though => what's your hardware?
21:13 * jojoa1997|Tablet JasseH agian
21:13 jojoa1997|Tablet again
21:13 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i spell that
21:13 Calinou you can tab-complete
21:13 Calinou erm, there is no tab key on tablets...
21:13 jojoa1997|Tablet with posts it depends on what you can comment on
21:13 Menche Calinou, my client's hardware? core i5 M450, Nvidia Geforce 310M
21:13 jojoa1997|Tablet though likwid says whatever
21:14 jojoa1997|Tablet yes there is Calinou
21:14 MinetestBot GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Use system wide LuaJIT if aviable. 9449026839 2013-04-08T13:10:00-07:00 http://git.io/IHGtGg
21:14 * jojoa1997|Tablet waves my keyboard
21:14 Menche LuaJIT support committed? wooooo
21:15 Calinou heh, both guys on the server are far away from spawn, I die if I try to fall fo them :P
21:15 Calinou Menche, even though it's shit hardware, it is recent, makes an huge difference
21:15 jojoa1997|Tablet someone hold me back\
21:15 Calinou (lol'd at 310M)
21:16 * Calinou holds jojoa1997|Tablet back
21:16 mauvebic what is shit?
21:16 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82596#p82596 YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME WHO THE **** CARES
21:16 mauvebic hardware or jit?
21:16 Calinou that image is a "top file" in omploader
21:17 jojoa1997|Tablet can i please kill him
21:17 Calinou you do not have the "kill" privilege, so no
21:17 * Menche gives jojoa1997|Tablet a mithril sword
21:17 jojoa1997|Tablet look at his newest post i want to cut off his hands so he cant type
21:18 * jojoa1997|Tablet has some fun with the sword
21:18 Calinou why is his omploader screenshot black and green?
21:18 mauvebic cant you just setup a fake forum where he can think he's posting? :P
21:18 Calinou jojoa1997|Tablet, his topic is now in a piece of paper (which is in the trash now)
21:18 Calinou post*
21:18 Calinou mauvebic, rofl
21:18 jojoa1997|Tablet someone please
21:18 * Calinou cuts jojoa1997|Tablet's hands
21:18 Calinou happy?
21:18 Menche have the forum site redirect him to a spelling help site
21:19 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
21:19 jojoa1997|Tablet i grow themn back
21:19 jojoa1997|Tablet lol YES
21:19 jojoa1997|Tablet if posts another useless post i am going to yell at hime
21:19 Calinou Menche, how about we redirect him to http://speedtest.10fastfingers.co
21:19 jojoa1997|Tablet him
21:19 Calinou Menche, how about we redirect him to http://speedtest.10fastfingers.com
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21:19 Calinou typo'd ;)
21:19 Calinou if he gets > 100 WPM he will be redirected to http://forum.minetest.net after finishing
21:19 RealBadAngel sfan5|OFF, wake up, building time ;)
21:19 Calinou if he has between 2 and 99 WPM, he is redirected to a spelling help site
21:20 Menche speed: 3 wpm, accuracy: 0.01%
21:20 Calinou if he has 1 WPM, he is redirected to about:blank
21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet cool http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5514
21:20 mauvebic same idea for griefers and haters: setup a fake server with lots of fake players and a village mod :p
21:20 Calinou jojoa1997|Tablet, the "don't reply to spam" applies to useless posts too
21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet ok but the next one i am going off on him
21:21 Menche via PM?
21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet then i completely ignore him
21:21 Calinou respect other users too :P
21:23 jojoa1997|Tablet i do but this guy is so
21:23 PilzAdam new win build with LuaJIT and memory leaks fixed: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
21:23 jojoa1997|Tablet agrivating
21:23 mauvebic i say drive him into the woods and leave him there
21:23 jojoa1997|Tablet remember this guy http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=3949
21:23 mauvebic lol him
21:23 PilzAdam for those who done know, LuaJIT is 2 times faster than Lua
21:24 mauvebic you noticed a difference? for which mods?
21:24 RealBadAngel all of them
21:24 PilzAdam mauvebic, defaults on_generate() from 19 to 10 ms
21:24 mauvebic not exactly impartial :P PilzAdam didn't seem to think so at first
21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet so do we have to change our mods to use luajit
21:24 RealBadAngel no
21:25 mauvebic not bad
21:25 PilzAdam mauvebic, I need to sell these win build :-)
21:25 RealBadAngel you have to just install luajit and get new game build
21:25 mauvebic though, after this, there are no other cheats/hacks and people will actually have to optimize their code lol
21:25 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam whyu
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21:25 jojoa1997|Tablet no one will buy them
21:25 jojoa1997|Tablet anyways it is open source
21:25 Menche you can sell open source software
21:25 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, please dont respond to me if you dont get what I said
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet i did get it
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet i know you are joking though
21:26 mauvebic i saw a bunch of pull requests from sapier for memory leaks too, they work?
21:26 Calinou PilzAdam, were serialization issues fixed?
21:26 PilzAdam of course
21:26 * Menche goes to build the latest git
21:26 Calinou cool
21:26 PilzAdam Calinou, LuaJIT is upstream now
21:26 Menche it uses luaJIT by default if it finds it?
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet ok can i update everything but the application
21:27 Calinou you should put luajit in the list of deps to install (in the sudo apt-get install thingy in the README)
21:27 jojoa1997|Tablet for minetest. the minetest.exe
21:27 Calinou if you haven't already :P
21:27 Menche does it use luaJIT by default if it finds it?
21:27 RealBadAngel btw, for linux: http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.1.tar.gz
21:27 PilzAdam Calinou, its not an dependency, its optional
21:27 khonkhortisan it's a replacement library
21:27 RealBadAngel unpack, go to /src make, make install
21:27 PilzAdam bbl
21:28 RealBadAngel then compile the game
21:28 Calinou PilzAdam, vorbis is also optional, yet you put it in the line that installs deps
21:28 RealBadAngel ofc one may look in distro repos for luajit package
21:29 Calinou (well, the game will not build unless you use the option to disable sound, but still)
21:29 Calinou RealBadAngel, suddenly: newbies
21:29 mauvebic add it to deps, make sure the config option to switch it off is documented though, good compromise?
21:30 RealBadAngel theres no config option for luajit
21:30 RealBadAngel it is autodetected
21:30 mauvebic you cant switch between jit and plain lua?
21:30 mauvebic what if someone runs into a problem and they need to know if its jit, lua or their fault?
21:30 Menche if it uses luaJIT if it finds it, and normal lua if it doesn't, what's the problem?
21:31 mauvebic like, say, serialization lol
21:31 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82602#p82602
21:31 VanessaE \o/
21:31 RealBadAngel uninstall jit, recompile to get lua back again
21:31 RealBadAngel as easy as that
21:31 mauvebic if you have both installed, would it be difficult to toggle it?
21:32 RealBadAngel lua is not installed
21:32 RealBadAngel it is bundled with mt
21:32 mauvebic ok so one is a package the other is builtin
21:32 mauvebic but same question, how difficult would it be to toggle it without rebuilding?
21:32 Calinou PilzAdam, also, if you don't mention it, packagers will not use it :P
21:32 mauvebic or you have to recompile?
21:32 Exio -- LuaJIT found.
21:32 Exio :D
21:32 RealBadAngel you have to recompile
21:32 mauvebic dang
21:33 mauvebic so when i take tarball of minetest git, and compile it in a local folder, no matter what if jit is installed thats what it goes with?
21:33 * jojoa1997|Tablet debating wether i should yell http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82603#p82603
21:33 jojoa1997|Tablet nah
21:33 Doyousketch2 I agree.  if it's optional, it should have a commandline option when installing
21:33 Menche like, -DENABLE_LUAJIT   ?
21:33 RealBadAngel mauvebic, mt uses system wide installed luajit
21:34 RealBadAngel same as irrlicht
21:34 mauvebic cuz just yesterday i asked if i could run both and V said yes
21:34 Doyousketch2 to disable it, for error testing.  yes Menche
21:35 Menche "Hey how do you make a build work? like how you make the source code files gone, and have a .exe?"  LOL
21:35 Calinou Menche, windows user explained
21:35 VanessaE mauvebic: sure, you build once, then install luajit and build again in a separate build tree.
21:35 Calinou one should paste this quote every time someone complains about linux
21:35 VanessaE voila, two builds, one with and one without jit
21:35 mauvebic ok that tiny detail would have been handy :P
21:35 mauvebic but now i know
21:35 Doyousketch2 it can automatically use it if it's there, but if you don't want to use it you should be able to disable it without having to uninstall the package
21:36 * Menche says add a ENABLE_LUAJIT cmake option that is on by default
21:36 paxcoder how to see where your home is set?
21:36 mauvebic go outside ?
21:36 mauvebic :P
21:36 Calinou use google maps + street view
21:36 paxcoder i need to set new home
21:36 * jojoa1997|Tablet turns on his gps
21:37 mauvebic lol
21:37 paxcoder without losing place
21:37 mauvebic we are oodles of help today
21:37 Exio ../bin/minetest: error while loading shared libraries: libluajit-5.1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
21:37 * jojoa1997|Tablet picks up a house and moves it
21:37 Exio ffffffffffffff
21:37 mauvebic what system>
21:37 mauvebic usually when i get that i have to take the file, make a backup and change the 2 for a 1
21:37 paxcoder can someone tell me how to find out where my home is set?
21:37 RealBadAngel exio, how you have installed jit?
21:38 mauvebic like, so.2 -> so.1
21:38 mauvebic or since .2 is missing, grab the .1 and change it to .2
21:38 Exio make clean; make -j7; checkinstall make install
21:38 Exio mauvebic: sudo ln -s /usr/local/lib/libluajit-5.1.so.2{.0.1,}
21:38 Menche rerun cmake?
21:38 mauvebic works too
21:38 mauvebic happens with pacman sometimes
21:38 mauvebic must be a kernel thing
21:39 RealBadAngel i mean luajit library not the game
21:39 mauvebic damn kernel saunders
21:39 Exio RealBadAngel: how i installed luajit :P
21:39 mauvebic linux kernel now available in cripsy, ultra cripsy and original recipe
21:39 Exio mauvebic: the dynamic loader, how dynamic libs works
21:39 RealBadAngel exio, via package or compiled from sources?
21:40 mauvebic yeah no its no one's fault but the linux peoples
21:40 Exio RealBadAngel: source
21:41 Hwkiller anyone know why carts randomly stop?
21:41 RealBadAngel and whats your distro?
21:41 Calinou mauvebic, you forgot realtime recipe where you eat as you cook
21:41 Doyousketch2 rusty wheels
21:41 mauvebic lol youd get sick from doing that
21:41 Exio RealBadAngel: debian6
21:41 mauvebic tho, in no way garantees you wont get sick from eating fully cooked KFC/PFK
21:42 RealBadAngel maybe i should force mt to use .a instead of .so
21:42 RealBadAngel that would prevent such errors
21:42 mauvebic dynamic loaders lol
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21:42 mauvebic tho point me to a pub and ill show you a real dynamic loader
21:44 sdzen so is minetest going to use luajit instead of lua? (default minetest build from git)
21:44 mauvebic Sea 55 in progress: http://www.zimg.eu/i/538994961
21:45 Calinou I see 55.
21:45 mauvebic if we had force loading, id so use a dozen entities to fill this up faster lol
21:46 mauvebic Sea 55 has to be big enough to hold half a dozen ocean liners, and a dozen more uboats
21:46 RealBadAngel sdzen, if theres luajit installed in system game will use it instead of builtin lua
21:47 sdzen hmm
21:47 sdzen cool
21:47 RealBadAngel ofc course its compile time case, not runtime
21:47 mauvebic fuck me, luajit was in the repos all along lol
21:48 mauvebic i kept compiling it seperately for tests
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21:50 mauvebic which one? community/luajit 2.0.0-3
21:50 mauvebic Just-in-time compiler and replacement for Lua 5.1
21:50 mauvebic aur/luajit2-git 20110818-1 (12)
21:51 mauvebic 2011 sounds old
21:51 Exio use the oficial repos
21:51 RealBadAngel im using jit compiled from sources
21:51 Exio you should avoid aur as possible
21:51 Exio inb4 mauvebic installs the aur package
21:51 mauvebic minetest-git is in aur
21:51 sdzen and has an outdated version printed on it :)
21:52 mauvebic who cares if the listing is wrong, it still pulls from git
21:52 Hwkiller doesnt matter
21:52 sdzen true
21:52 Hwkiller also, use my pkgbuild in the commemts
21:53 mauvebic though at compile im getting alot of exceptions, is it just me/my dist or everyone?
21:53 VanessaE mauvebic: warnings you mean?  everyone gets that.
21:53 Menche i get lots of compiler warnings
21:53 mauvebic exceptions/warnings whatever, it all reads like spanish to me lol
21:53 VanessaE lol
21:54 sdzen the amount of compiler warnings in minetest has doubled for me lately
21:54 mauvebic ok so its not just me
21:55 sdzen course  I could be seeing double (I do that sometimes)
21:55 sdzen but no i tihnk there is more now
21:55 RealBadAngel sapier has left there some unused variables
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21:56 Menche the new_style_water looks weird when there's a solid block underwater
21:57 Menche looks like there's a slice of air under the node
21:57 Menche s/block/node
22:00 mauvebic i thought there was a slice of air on top?
22:00 Menche underneath the solid node
22:00 Taoki Hi. When creating a formspec, how do you make its values stay remembered for that node (when you right-click it again and see the menu)?
22:00 Taoki For me they revert to defaults
22:00 Menche put a solid node underwater with water on all 6 sides
22:03 RealBadAngel Taoki, store data in nodes meta
22:03 Taoki RealBadAngel: Tried that for the text field but it didn't work
22:03 RealBadAngel hold on
22:03 Taoki eg: meta:set_string("name_of_field", "default")
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22:07 mauvebic i wonder if paramat could write a better ocean mod than what ive got lol
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22:08 alex256 what is the priv for admin called?
22:08 mauvebic server
22:08 alex256 tthanks
22:10 mauvebic the config options for server listings are...: server_name and server_desc i think?
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22:20 * Kacey is tired of icechat already
22:23 Kacey brb
22:24 Leoneof joined #minetest
22:24 Hwkiller he should s/icechat/weechat
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22:25 Kacey yep hexchat is slightly better than icechat
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22:28 Hwkiller he should s/icechat/weechat
22:33 Leoneof joined #minetest
22:36 Kacey no
22:36 Kacey i am used to xchat
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22:43 Hwkiller pbbt
22:44 Hwkiller http://i.imgur.com/Snq6TY9.jpg <-- what it's all about
22:45 Kacey uuuum... no
22:49 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaTE5dg/Screenshot%20(3).png
22:49 Kacey hexchat
22:49 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaTE5eg/Screenshot%20(1).png
22:50 Kacey xchat
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22:57 Hwkiller disgusting
22:58 Hwkiller windows 8 nonetheless
22:58 Hwkiller eek
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23:01 Hwkiller you need linux in your life
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23:07 PilzAdam bye
23:07 Kacey i used linux on my netbook (and liked it) but windows can do certain things linux cannot and vice versa
23:09 Hwkiller aside from video editing, what is linux lacking in?
23:15 VanessaE many would say it still lacks games (despite the advent of Steam)
23:15 VanessaE others would say it lacks business-critical apps, the mainframe-looking shit you always see being used in offices, or those really complicated data-entry apps you see so often in doctors' offices.
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23:18 Kacey basically linux does the more "unclean" tasks that windows doesnt
23:22 * Kacey might set up a VM
23:25 Kacey do i want Ubuntu 12.04 or 12.10
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23:26 YoungDerp do i want Ubuntu 12.04 or 12.10?
23:28 mauvebic i dont fucking believe it - 5 days after sending me a payment confirmation, my ISP sent me a payment reminder for the same bloody bill
23:28 mauvebic what do i do with these guys?
23:34 Kacey huh
23:34 Kacey running Ubuntu next to Windows 8?
23:34 Kacey good idea?
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23:41 VanessaE mauvebic: you call and raise hell
23:41 mauvebic if they returned calls
23:42 mauvebic i just looked at their review page at canadianisp.ca, theyve been helping themselves to customers' credit cards for 3-4 months now
23:42 mauvebic no wonder they kept hassling us for a credit card number, easier to double-bill
23:43 VanessaE I presume you withheld it :)
23:44 mauvebic i dont think ill send them a penny more
23:44 mauvebic my credits' already shit, they can send it to collections for all i care
23:44 NotReallyNick I'm told many people don't like 12.10. Go for 12.04.
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23:45 VanessaE *nod*
23:45 VanessaE 12.04 here too
23:45 VanessaE 12.10 was a train wreck
23:45 Kacey lol 13.04 is coming out soon
23:46 VanessaE true
23:46 VanessaE but it ain
23:46 VanessaE but it ain's LTS :)
23:46 VanessaE *sigh*
23:48 Kacey maybe even an arch VM
23:49 Kacey nope nvm
23:50 NotReallyNick Yeah, I'm sticking with the LTS so I don't have to burn as many disks and reset my computer as often.
23:50 Hwkiller you can just upgrade from lts to the current release though
23:50 * Kacey wishes he had a usb to set up YUMI on
23:51 Kacey but my PC wont allow booting to the usb anyway
23:51 Hwkiller do-release-upgrade
23:52 Hwkiller and how old is your computer, Kacey, for it not to allow usb boot?
23:52 Kacey brand new
23:53 Hwkiller then it surely allows usb boot; that seems ridiculous
23:53 Kacey microsoft made it so that the companies have to make the boot menu pretty well impossible to get to
23:53 Hwkiller ? how
23:54 Hwkiller it'd be against ms's interests to block usb booting
23:54 Hwkiller many of their own tools use it

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