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00:00 Guest74057 Bah, I don't even know where to fine #freenode.
00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet my computer would fare the best
00:00 rarkenin Do /join #freenode
00:00 * Guest74057 was kidding
00:00 khonkhortisan we couldn't tell :)
00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet you would more likely hit water than it
00:00 Menche my whois says "cingular"
00:00 Guest74057 rarkenin seemed to think I was serious.
00:00 Menche but I'm on AT&T
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet atat
00:01 khonkhortisan Menche, I already knew that
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet ATAT
00:01 rarkenin I'm sorry.
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet STARWARS
00:01 Guest74057 Sorry for?
00:01 khonkhortisan there was another comcast on here earlier
00:01 rarkenin Oh, I think AT&T and cingular merged.
00:01 Menche and they didn't update the domain names?
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet /join #minetest-dev
00:01 rarkenin Well, that's comcastic!
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet /join #minetest-dev
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet /join #minetest-dev
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet oh i had 3 spaces
00:02 Guest74057 Anyway, the people at #freenode probably would just tell me to get a cloak. But I don't want a cloak, I want an answer.
00:02 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: use /nick jojoa1997|spammy
00:02 Guest74057 I want to know WHY, not how to get around it.
00:02 khonkhortisan You don't need a cloak, it should be a text field in your client menu
00:02 khonkhortisan We'll be able to see what it is, but I think you can change it
00:02 TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL muwhahahahaha
00:03 rarkenin hahahahahaha
00:03 TROLOLOLOLOL Trololololololololollolol.
00:03 Guest74057 It doesn't list it.
00:03 rarkenin im stupid
00:03 TROLOLOLOLOL My nickname is registered/
00:03 Exio you should use /ns ghost
00:04 Exio more often :)
00:04 khonkhortisan Guest74057, what client do you use?
00:04 khonkhortisan I just found where it was in xchat
00:04 Exio for example, jojoa1997|Tablet may try to use some of my nicks, like "K1ra"
00:04 Guest74057 Empathy. Also, when I whois myself, I get a wildcard address: *@c-50-137-60-25.hsd1.or.comcast.net
00:04 Guest74057 No us_0gb.
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00:06 NotReallyNick Someone, please /whois me, and tell me is us_0gb still shows up.
00:06 Exio Menche: oops, sorry
00:06 Exio just saw in the other channel the "K1ra" and did /ns ghost
00:06 khonkhortisan You're ~NotReally@
00:06 Exio then went to here and saw you were :P
00:07 jojoa1997|Tablet comcast=cominist films
00:07 NotReallyNick Okay. I found the field then, which was blank before. Also, I entered "NotReallyNick", so I guess it gets cut off.
00:07 khonkhortisan So blank means your computer username
00:07 NotReallyNick Apperently.
00:08 NotReallyNick Exept on my other computer, my name is us0gb (no underscore), and I still show up as us_0gb here.
00:09 NotReallyNick (Debian doesn't allow underscores.)
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00:10 khonkhortisan You got rid of the Really
00:11 NotReallyNick Yeah. Not really what? Not Nick works better if it's going to be cut off.
00:13 NotReallyNick But really. I'm not Nick. So people shouldn't call me that.
00:13 * NotReallyNick still needs a better name
00:16 Menche is it normal to spawn for the first time up in the air?
00:16 Menche lost 9 hp from that :(
00:16 LordOfSwords I always spawn in the air.
00:16 hmmmm it's not
00:16 LordOfSwords Oh, wait. I forgot. I have a static spawn point.
00:16 hmmmm i still haven't figured out what's going on with that exactly
00:16 hmmmm and it was sort of forgotten about
00:17 hmmmm some people like it since it gives you the feeling of being dumped on some island
00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan4ibanez you there?
00:19 LordOfSwords I set my spawn point to the very center of the map: 7.5,7.5,7.5. But it often left me stuck in mountains in new worlds. Now with my static seed, that isn't an issue, I just spawn above the water and fall in.
00:19 jordan4ibanez Am I there?
00:20 rarkenin Except you built a boat there now.
00:20 LordOfSwords No I didn't.
00:20 LordOfSwords The boat isn't at the center of that world, the tunnel entrance is.
00:20 rarkenin Oh, wait, yeah. Oops.
00:20 LordOfSwords Different static spawn point.
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00:22 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan4ibanez could you do mod reviews
00:22 jordan4ibanez Some day
00:22 jordan4ibanez bbsd
00:22 jojoa1997|Tablet also
00:23 jojoa1997|Tablet grrr
00:28 jojoa1997|Tablet why does every minecrap maft maker have to use adfly and mediafire
00:29 * Menche doesn't like being force-fed advertising before downloading something
00:29 * Menche likes being able to wget files from direct links
00:29 * Menche hates adf.ly and mediafire
00:30 jojoa1997|Tablet mediafire doesnt work on my tablet
00:30 sokomine yes :-( people ought to stop using mediafire. that requires javascript - which i forbid in my browser
00:31 Menche what's the point of mediafire anyway? you can get free storage with direct links from UbuntuOne, dropbox, omploader, and probably others
00:33 jojoa1997|Tablet i would use those but mediafire is the only thing that my tablet has an app for
00:33 Menche ...you just said it doesn't work on your tablet
00:34 Menche and what OS does your tablet have?
00:34 jojoa1997|Tablet android
00:34 Menche there's no ubuntuone or dropbox programs for android?!?
00:34 jojoa1997|Tablet i cant download from others online but i can upload from app
00:34 jojoa1997|Tablet dropbox is yes trying now
00:35 Menche how do you get information about a node?
00:36 kaeza what kind of info?
00:36 kaeza also, hi all again
00:36 Menche i mean the node definition, not a node in the world
00:36 Menche like the texture, description, esc
00:36 Menche *etc
00:36 kaeza minetest.registered_nodes[name]
00:37 kaeza (where <name> is the fully qualified name such as "default:sand")
00:37 Menche hmm, that's not documented on dev.minetest.net
00:37 Menche thanks
00:37 kaeza so, to get the tile at the top, you'd do minetest.registered_nodes["foomod:foonode"].tiles[1]
00:37 kaeza np
00:38 Menche ok
00:38 kaeza it's documented in lua_api.txt
00:38 Menche someone should update dev.minetest.net
00:40 Menche oh, that's a table, not a function
00:40 * Menche just noticed the square brackets
00:40 InNeedOfANick Nice.
00:40 khonkhortisan I tried it as a function yesterday
00:40 * kaeza puts a Nick on InNeedOfANick's head
00:40 kaeza :)
00:41 InNeedOfANick And what nick is it?
00:41 Menche so a craft guide could just iterate through that table and support everything?
00:41 InNeedOfANick Yeah.
00:41 * khonkhortisan takes the bounty nick
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00:51 Menche what's the difference between "pairs" and "ipairs"?
00:52 InNeedOfANick ipairs() is supposed to return the elements in key order.
00:52 kaeza wut http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82085#p82085
00:52 InNeedOfANick It fails when I need it most though.
00:52 Menche ipairs doesn't do the elements in order?
00:52 kaeza Q: Who asks these questions?
00:52 kaeza A: MEH!!
00:52 Menche does it get all of them?
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00:53 InNeedOfANick ipairs() is SUPPOSED to give them in order, and usually does, but not always.
00:53 InNeedOfANick It does return all elements though.
00:53 Menche if you don't care about the order, is there any difference?
00:54 khonkhortisan If you don't care about the order, the order is still different.
00:54 InNeedOfANick There's still a difference, but the difference would be ignorable.
00:54 Menche *sigh* i mean, is the order the only difference?
00:54 kaeza Menche "for i, v in ipairs(t) do" is basically the same as "for i = 1, #t do v = t[i]; ..."
00:54 khonkhortisan "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." - Abraham Lincoln
00:55 InNeedOfANick Actually, ipairs() MIGHT only return elements with numeric keys.
00:55 khonkhortisan negligible
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00:55 kaeza while pairs() returns the keys in an arbitrary order (*all* the keys)
00:55 InNeedOfANick khonkhortisan: True. I take it you're on our side with the 0.4.6 versus 4.0.6 and 4.6 debate then.
00:56 VanessaE hi all.
00:56 * VanessaE is back
00:56 Menche hi
00:56 kaeza wb V
00:56 InNeedOfANick Hey, VanessaE.
00:56 khonkhortisan 4.0.6 is more wrong than 4.6
00:56 khonkhortisan With 4.6 you can imply a starting wildcard
00:56 InNeedOfANick It's less wrong, as it's closer when comparing version numbers.
00:57 Menche a wildcard would make much more sense for the ending numbers
00:57 InNeedOfANick There is no implied wildcard, in my opinion.
00:57 InNeedOfANick Yeah, for ending maybe, but not starting.
00:57 khonkhortisan well yeah, there's none.
00:57 Menche like, 0.3.x = all 0.3
00:57 khonkhortisan I'll just go with what the version is now, not what it should be
00:58 Menche but x.4.6 = 0.4.6, 1.4.6, etc; there's no real connection there
00:58 Menche (besides, only one of those exists)
00:58 khonkhortisan If we never have anything other than 0. it won't match anything else
00:59 Menche anyway, none of them are real numbers, because they have 2 decimal points
00:59 khonkhortisan 4.6?
00:59 * InNeedOfANick realizes that we all agree on the right version number, and are now debating on which wrong number is more wrong
00:59 Menche after 4.9 comes 4.10, not 5, so no, that's not realy a number
00:59 khonkhortisan fine with me
01:00 khonkhortisan That's a right-aligned decimal
01:00 khonkhortisan file browsers are bad at that
01:00 InNeedOfANick Yeah, version numbers aren't exactly like mathematical numbers.
01:00 * Menche says that the right number is 100% right and all wrong numbers are 100% wrong
01:00 khonkhortisan Only a Sith sees in absolutes.
01:00 InNeedOfANick Fair enough.
01:00 InNeedOfANick What is a Sith?
01:00 kaeza -.-
01:00 Menche they're not mathematical numbers, so you can't say one is further from another
01:00 khonkhortisan star wars reference
01:01 VanessaE khonkhortisan: "deals in absolutes".
01:01 khonkhortisan I have to be careful not to say trek
01:01 khonkhortisan aw I got it wrong
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01:01 VanessaE hand in your geek card.
01:01 Menche obama: "I can't do a jedi mind-meld"
01:01 khonkhortisan haha
01:01 Menche lol
01:01 khonkhortisan vulcan :)
01:01 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
01:01 khonkhortisan hello
01:01 VanessaE hey grog
01:01 InNeedOfANick Hey, Grog.
01:01 kaeza hey grog
01:02 * InNeedOfANick was the only one to greet you with full punctuation. InNeedOfANick must love you the most.
01:02 thefamilygrog66 that's a little creepy
01:02 khonkhortisan hey, Grog
01:02 * InNeedOfANick giggles
01:02 thefamilygrog66 haha
01:02 khonkhortisan Hey, grog
01:03 InNeedOfANick No periods.
01:03 khonkhortisan …
01:03 kaeza wtff http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82088#p82088
01:03 thefamilygrog66 did you see my new mod, V?
01:03 InNeedOfANick Also, you remember me. We've been best friends for like, forever.
01:03 khonkhortisan That was also no periods…
01:03 VanessaE grog: the living room furniture?
01:03 khonkhortisan an actual ellipsis character
01:03 thefamilygrog66 yeah!
01:03 VanessaE I already put it on my server ;)
01:03 Menche kaeza: that's the most i've seen him write
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01:03 thefamilygrog66 oh cool :) what do you think?
01:04 VanessaE Ilinke it
01:04 VanessaE er
01:04 Menche he must have copy-pasted that, the grammar's too good
01:04 VanessaE I like it
01:04 kaeza looks like copypasta from an article
01:04 thefamilygrog66 haha, right on
01:04 kaeza yep
01:04 khonkhortisan 5,877 worlds in one post
01:04 VanessaE it fits in well alongside homedecor+3dforniture extensions
01:04 Menche LOL, that has got to be the longest forum post there
01:04 thefamilygrog66 do I need to change anything on the forum post to have it moved?
01:04 VanessaE link?>
01:04 khonkhortisan I was going to copy-search it, but it was too long for me to feel like it
01:05 thefamilygrog66 cool, I was trying to complement what was already done, furniture-wise
01:05 thefamilygrog66 there's a link in the post - is that what you mean?
01:06 thefamilygrog66 I also made it to match the reworked beds mod
01:06 thefamilygrog66 with the feathered 16x16 textures
01:06 Menche searched part of that post, found 2 articles that are word-for-word the same
01:06 VanessaE grog: moved
01:06 Menche pictures and all
01:07 thefamilygrog66 oh thanks V - you rock.
01:07 kaeza khonkhortisan, 5877 worlds... looks good for an article about the Universe
01:07 khonkhortisan oh yeah
01:08 Menche http://www.ipod.org.uk/reality/reality_universe_computer.asp
01:08 kaeza can we ban this guy already?
01:08 Menche word-for-word the same
01:08 Menche don't think he's done anything bannable
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01:08 thefamilygrog66 some plagiarism going on?
01:09 Menche maybe delete that topic
01:12 * InNeedOfANick found a sky jungle
01:13 NakedFury this is spam
01:13 NakedFury delete it
01:13 NakedFury ohh its on offtopic
01:13 thefamilygrog66 which post?
01:13 NakedFury the one with the likid guy
01:14 thefamilygrog66 which forum?
01:14 NakedFury im late for that conversation nvm
01:14 mauvebic dispose of him, in the woods
01:15 thefamilygrog66 haha
01:15 InNeedOfANick The sky jungle id broken. The isle it's on has several flat sides along map blocks.
01:15 thefamilygrog66 good call on the grammar, kaeza...
01:15 kaeza ;)
01:15 thefamilygrog66 I have no idea what he was going on about on my mod post
01:16 thefamilygrog66 sometime about windows 95 and why likwid is such a cool name
01:16 thefamilygrog66 *something
01:17 Menche i usually don't like people who say "TL;DR", but it think it's acceptable in this case
01:17 * Menche has trouble scrolling past all of that
01:17 thefamilygrog66 haha
01:18 InNeedOfANick Is there a way to delete map blocks so they regenerate?
01:18 khonkhortisan It bothers me when I put a file on my flash drive^M
01:18 khonkhortisan and when I get it back it's changed^M
01:19 thefamilygrog66 I don't think it's rude when it's about a copy-paste job, menche
01:19 Menche right, i think it's acceptable in this case :P
01:19 thefamilygrog66 yessir
01:20 Menche "Oh look up Likwid on Unban Directory I didn't post it I found out about it few weeks, ago."
01:20 Menche what's an Unban Dictionary?
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01:21 thefamilygrog66 unban directory is a coding forum, I think
01:21 Menche lol
01:21 thefamilygrog66 not to be confused with urban dictionary
01:21 Menche i think he might have meant "Urban Dictionary"?
01:21 thefamilygrog66 possibly, but I googled unban directory and it pertained to code, so ya never know
01:22 Menche well, he spelled "item frames" as "item flames"
01:22 Menche for *every single* node definition in his mod
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01:22 Dogzilla131 Hi
01:22 Menche hello
01:22 Dogzilla131 How to you put a mod only for one world?
01:23 ShadowNinja MinetestBot isn’t back yet it seems
01:23 Menche "Believe me when I say this...   Likwid Is a smart user..."
01:23 Menche Dogzilla131: make a "worldmods" folder in the world folder
01:23 ShadowNinja I don't want to have a conflict when it does however...
01:24 Menche http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Likwid
01:24 Menche he was referencing urban dictionary
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01:25 thefamilygrog66 haha, nice
01:26 * thefamilygrog66 is gonna make a "grog is the best" definition on there...
01:26 Menche maybe he's "sitting on mounds of cash", but the other two definitions don't seem to fit
01:26 Menche lol, some of those definitions have spelling mistakes. You think... ?
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01:27 Menche who can make definitions?
01:27 khonkhortisan it's like wikipedia, without the professionalism
01:27 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82107#p82107 â—• â—¡ â—•
01:28 ds-2k InNeedOfANick: You can delete MapBlocks using an sqlite command line tool or something like sqlitebrowser
01:28 * Menche defines "minetest" as "the greatest game in human history"
01:28 Menche and then reference the definition everewhere
01:28 Menche *everywhere
01:28 InNeedOfANick Okay, thanks ds-2k.
01:28 ds-2k InNeedOfANick: but you need to calculate the block position
01:29 InNeedOfANick Define Windows as the worlds worst operating system while you're at it.
01:29 Menche and Mac as, a brick?
01:30 InNeedOfANick Yeah, I can use an in-game command I have to calculate position. The hard part win be finding all the blocks to delete without generating the blocks around them.
01:30 InNeedOfANick What's wrong with Macs? I used to be a Mac guy.
01:30 Menche really locked down and inflexible
01:31 thefamilygrog66 ^ that
01:31 thefamilygrog66 proprietary
01:31 thefamilygrog66 overpriced
01:31 Menche yes.
01:31 Menche yes and yes.
01:31 InNeedOfANick At least they function though, unlike Windows.
01:31 Menche true.
01:31 thefamilygrog66 pretty looking though
01:31 khonkhortisan Macs have been assimilated.
01:31 thefamilygrog66 windows works fine for me
01:31 Menche "pretty looking though" i disagree.
01:31 thefamilygrog66 so does linux though
01:32 Menche depends on the theme
01:32 InNeedOfANick Linux does what?
01:32 khonkhortisan I'm going to look for specific functions, if they aren't commented out, and if those comments aren't quoted. How far do I have to go with the exceptions?
01:32 Menche on Mac, you can change the desktop background, the location of the dock, anything else?
01:33 InNeedOfANick Why do you need to change the appearance? Sure, that's a nice feature, but it's not all computers can do.
01:33 thefamilygrog66 *linux also works fine for me
01:34 Menche I've heard that it is possible to install another DE, but that it's really hard
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01:34 Menche on linux it's simple to install 5 and switch between them
01:34 InNeedOfANick Why am I trying to stand up for Macs right now, anyway? It's not like I particularly care. I did have to migrate away from them for a reason.
01:34 mauvebic lol doublepost? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80862#p80862 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82047#p82047
01:35 * Menche thought he had seen that befoer
01:35 Menche *before
01:35 mauvebic me too lol
01:35 InNeedOfANick Apple won't let me install OS X on non-Apple hardware. That's all I need to know, I guess.
01:35 InNeedOfANick SO I can't put it on my Toshiba Satellite.
01:35 InNeedOfANick *So
01:36 Menche you can, if you're careful about getting the right hardware
01:36 Menche and you have to install kernel extensions for some hardware
01:36 InNeedOfANick I read that was illegal. Is that untrue?
01:37 mauvebic lol
01:37 mauvebic and whos gonna bust you?
01:37 Menche not sure, I'm sure Apple would love to sue for that if they found out, anyway
01:37 mauvebic if law enforcements' focusing on that, it sure explains alot of deficits
01:37 InNeedOfANick It's not about if I get caught, it's about doing the right thing.
01:37 mauvebic you'd be the first :p
01:37 Menche the Supreme Court ruled that jailbreaking is legal, so no qualms about that
01:38 Menche didn't Apple win a lawsuit over Samsung copying a rounded rectangle design?
01:39 mauvebic by the unbiased Koh
01:39 InNeedOfANick In any case, I made the switch already, and both Ubuntu and Mint work better for me.
01:39 mauvebic in apple's home jurisdiction
01:39 InNeedOfANick Debian doesn't like me though.
01:39 mauvebic bottom line, you own the hardware, and the 1's and 0's wont matter much in two years' time so
01:40 Menche a brick is actually more flexible than a Mac. You can use a brick to build a house, wall, or anything you want, without fear of legal action
01:40 InNeedOfANick Yeah, but the ones and zeros are still illegal to use on the hardware I own.
01:41 mauvebic again, if anyone's wasting time enforcing that, i should stop paying taxes cuz i could put the money to better use (business, jobs, etc.)
01:41 thefamilygrog66 I have no issues with the Zorin/Ubuntu I'm running on my desktop
01:41 InNeedOfANick I can build things on a Mac too, just not using proprietary software as a base. I'd have the same issue on Linux.
01:41 InNeedOfANick I haven't used Zorin, but Ubuntu is nice.
01:42 thefamilygrog66 Zorin's pretty much a skin for Ubuntu, to make it look more Windows-y
01:42 Menche Zorin = Ubuntu made to look like windows?
01:42 thefamilygrog66 exactly
01:42 Menche i think they have different versions made to look like XP, 7, etc
01:42 thefamilygrog66 my family can use it, but not get it infected
01:42 InNeedOfANick I don't need it then. gnome-fallback is a fine interface for me.
01:42 thefamilygrog66 they do
01:43 thefamilygrog66 (have different settings)
01:43 * InNeedOfANick wonders if he can get his mother to switch to Zorin
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01:48 thefamilyg|away stupid long nicks...
01:49 khonkhortisan Would anyone mind if I used a goto in place of continue in lua?
01:52 telek Hey, is there a way to control fire spread?
01:52 * telek just had somebody cause a firestorm that's spreading to every tree across the populated section of his server.
01:54 ds-2k telek: maybe shutdown the server and alias fire:basic_flame to some other node
01:54 Menche delete fire and alias fire:basic_flame to air
01:55 ShadowNinja we should have a conf option for fire, most servers disable it
01:55 telek So there's no settings regarding fire spread/burn time you can change?
01:55 khonkhortisan it's in the abm
01:55 VanessaE telek: nope, not globally
01:55 telek Seriously though, it's burning too fast for me to stop with fly and water nodes, so for regular players it'd be impossible.
01:55 VanessaE you have tune the fire abm and tune the flammability of all the affected nodes, by hand
01:55 telek Ugh
01:56 telek Somebody needs to change the default propogation rate to be lower.
01:56 Menche is there a function to generate the inventory cube from another texture?
01:58 Menche nvm found it, minetest.inventorycube
01:58 VanessaE telek: I complained about that months ago.  My complaint was summarily dismissed.
01:58 telek >.<
01:58 telek Lags like heck too.
01:59 VanessaE mmhmm.
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02:03 telek Well at least nobody has been on since february so I haven't lost anything as far as the players are concerned :D
02:08 thefamilygrog66 hey, is it possible to change a player's default walking speed or jump height if they use (e.g. eat) an object?
02:08 kaeza yes
02:08 thefamilygrog66 just for a set period of time
02:08 kaeza with the new API
02:08 kaeza {{cn}}
02:09 thefamilygrog66 cool - where should I read up about that?
02:10 kaeza https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1365
02:10 thefamilygrog66 thanks kaeza
02:10 kaeza np :)
02:11 kaeza It was merged today IIRC
02:13 thefamilygrog66 in 0.4.6 or newer?
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02:24 Dogzilla131 hi kaeza
02:25 kaeza hey dawg
02:25 kaeza thefamilygrog66, it'll be in 0.4.7 stable. for now you'll have to compile from git
02:26 kaeza s/0.4.7/0.5.0/ ?
02:27 thefamilygrog66 ok, thanks
02:27 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#h18IjqSo
02:29 * thefamilygrog66 is too lazy to figure out how to compile for windows, and also too lazy to go sit at the linux desktop...
02:30 kaeza thefamilygrog66, use PilzAdam's Win32 builds then :)
02:30 kaeza he keeps them up to date with latest git
02:31 thefamilygrog66 I think it's 0.4.6.95 or something like that - will it still work?
02:31 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: run my amd64 linux build :)
02:31 kaeza LOL http://ifunny.mobi/#HhqNeMuf
02:31 thefamilygrog66 I don't mind compiling for linux, but I'm on my windows laptop currently, V.
02:31 VanessaE thefamilygrog66:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82015#p82015
02:31 VanessaE oh, ok
02:32 VanessaE that's what ssh is for ;)
02:32 thefamilygrog66 oh yeah, I could still do that, I suppose. Already have 0.4.5 server running on the linux box, though...
02:33 thefamilygrog66 but it's standalone. nevermind me, just thinking out loud. I mean with my fingers.
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03:00 Kacey good night everyone
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03:12 ShadowNinja everyone want ShadowBot back? It should now part if MinetestBot joins
03:13 Menche can still use it via /msg if it's not on the channel
03:19 ShadowNinja yep, should it join, if noone responds I will assume so
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03:24 mauvebic idc so long as it ignore abusers like markv :p
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03:25 jojoa1997|Tablet ok this is the limit http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82088#p82088
03:26 mauvebic not news
03:26 jojoa1997|Tablet he HAS TO STOP DOING this
03:26 mauvebic report the post, ask for ban?
03:27 mauvebic THIS is the limit lol http://ompldr.org/vaTBsMg/screenshot_3787641149.png
03:27 Menche "Well I still like know everything, and like they say someday we will." <-- he knows everything, or he would like to know everything?
03:28 mauvebic seriously maybe we could start a fund to replace old hardware and get decent lighting lol (see img above)
03:29 kaeza time to go. good night everyone
03:30 VanessaE bedtime for him at THIS hour?
03:30 VanessaE that's unusual.
03:30 mauvebic can i run an abm on air?
03:31 jojoa1997|Tablet vanessae what is your up times
03:31 ShadowNinja I am not sure if he is a spammer or not...
03:31 jojoa1997|Tablet from wake to sleep
03:31 jojoa1997|Tablet he has made a mod
03:31 jojoa1997|Tablet and also he sent me a map cause he needed help with world edit and it is good
03:31 Menche Likwid?
03:31 ShadowNinja mauvebic: that sounds like a great way to make a server laggy
03:31 jojoa1997|Tablet but he needs to post RELEVENT stuff
03:31 mauvebic well i need to fix this shadow mess
03:32 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: it varies.  Some days I might be lucky to have 12 hours of wake time, other days I might push it to 20 hours.
03:32 mauvebic abm on air seems like the simplest way
03:32 VanessaE ABM ON AIR!?
03:32 VanessaE are you INSANE?
03:32 mauvebic http://ompldr.org/vaTBsMg/screenshot_3787641149.png
03:32 mauvebic ^^^^^^
03:32 sdzen is it like on ice but cooler?
03:32 mauvebic how would you fix that then?
03:32 VanessaE mauvebic: where are the shadows coming from?
03:32 mauvebic dont ask me lol
03:32 telek Actually for that matter, are ABMs multithreaded yet?
03:33 jojoa1997|Tablet shaw shank redemtion
03:33 Exio nothing in lua is "multithreaded"
03:33 VanessaE mauvebic: use worldedit.  Select the region (//pos1, //pos2) and //fixlight to reset the light in that area.
03:33 VanessaE be sure you 'over select'
03:33 VanessaE (select WAY more than you need)
03:33 mauvebic i can do that with multinode, its not faster with either mod
03:33 VanessaE then go off and make a sandwidth while it chrusn.
03:33 VanessaE churns*
03:33 Menche a sandwidth?
03:33 VanessaE sandwich, too
03:33 jojoa1997|Tablet how can i make freenode.net never log me off
03:34 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: you just have to make sure you never lose connection
03:34 VanessaE that's all
03:34 VanessaE you'll stay logged in indefinitely.
03:34 jojoa1997|Tablet how does sfan5 do it
03:34 mauvebic i cant keep going around running fixlight on everything either, beginning to spend more time on that than building
03:34 Exio znc
03:34 Exio you need a server to run it
03:34 jojoa1997|Tablet grr
03:34 Exio the other way is use a vps/server with an irc client (as i do it :P)
03:35 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: that's the only way to do it - you have to have a computer somewhere running an irc client
03:35 mauvebic but theres nothing *technically* preventing me from running abm on air?
03:35 VanessaE even if it's in a detached 'screen' session.
03:35 Exio yes, your hardware
03:35 Exio it will don't like you
03:35 VanessaE mauvebic: running abms on air is crazy.  there's too much of it
03:35 Menche jojoa1997|Tablet: i think there's a service that keeps you logged in
03:35 VanessaE it would be 10x worse than running one on stone.
03:35 Exio irccloud?
03:35 Menche forget what
03:36 Exio you need an invite for using it
03:36 jojoa1997|Tablet haha
03:36 Exio from someone using it what has invite lefts
03:36 mauvebic it might be crazy lol but the lighting/shadow thing has me exasperated lol so im willing to try it :p
03:36 jojoa1997|Tablet i made a mod to make a world degrading map
03:36 Exio degrading?
03:36 jojoa1997|Tablet an abm for each node to become air
03:37 jojoa1997|Tablet runs really god
03:37 mauvebic no an abm on air, to remove air
03:37 jojoa1997|Tablet no
03:37 jojoa1997|Tablet it makes nodes air
03:37 VanessaE mauvebic: anyway, all you have to do is make sure you nodeupdate(pos) each time you add a node to the map.
03:37 VanessaE if I understand that function correctly.
03:37 jojoa1997|Tablet now combine with your mod and it is true turnil
03:37 mauvebic i thought nodeupdate made nodes fall?
03:37 VanessaE or you can dig_node() on the positions around the added nodes.
03:38 VanessaE yes, it does, but it also somehow forces a lighting update.
03:38 mauvebic i thought c55 said remove_node would be better for that?
03:38 VanessaE not if you are operating on *air*
03:38 mauvebic so i could abm air -> nodeupdate(air)
03:38 VanessaE if you dig air, it forces the lighting around the air node to be updated.
03:38 VanessaE that's how worldedit's //fixlight command works.
03:38 mauvebic i know how it works its just not designed for doing it on a large scale
03:39 telek Hrmm
03:39 mauvebic and that ocean is going to be 10x as big
03:39 telek Somebody should also work on the audio triggers so rather than doing individual triggers per node it does it per block or something
03:39 mauvebic i keep hearing about HW lighting, could be worthwile patch
03:39 telek That large-scale fire I mentioned hangs the audio periodically.
03:40 telek HW lighting?
03:40 telek Isn't it already?
03:40 jojoa1997|Tablet vanessae could you add this to your  server http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2784
03:40 mauvebic dunno, the way it was brought up i thought it wasn't
03:40 mauvebic so whats the next level up then?
03:40 jojoa1997|Tablet what is
03:40 jojoa1997|Tablet HW lighting
03:41 telek HW=Hardware
03:41 telek I assume it means having the GPU calculate all the lighting effects itself rather than the current server-side per-node calculations.
03:41 Exio lighting what is accelerated by the hardware
03:41 Exio super-logic ^
03:41 telek Exio: FYI s/what/that/
03:42 Exio ah
03:42 mauvebic i know my gfx cards can do better lighting than this
03:42 telek I can't tell you the grammatical rule that causes that, but that's the proper way to phrase it :)
03:42 Exio what gfx do you have?
03:42 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: no, I don't see a need for it, and it requires /give privilege.
03:42 mauvebic nvidia on one and ati radeonhd on the other
03:42 jojoa1997|Tablet :(
03:42 Exio telek: thanks, it is because it "translate it more directly" (spanish -> english)
03:42 jojoa1997|Tablet what happens when someone reports a post
03:43 jojoa1997|Tablet what hapens behind the scenes\
03:43 NotReallyNick jojoa1997|Tablet: What do you mean by world degrading? It makes the world rot?
03:43 Exio "lighting que .." "lighting what ..."
03:43 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: a report entry is added to a list that the admins can look at is all
03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet 0gb it makes the world lose all of its nodes through a abm
03:44 Exio i prefer a generate_ore
03:44 mauvebic and you guys said i was nuts: http://ompldr.org/vaTBsNg/screenshot_3801547133.png
03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet so
03:44 NotReallyNick jojoa1997|Tablet: Why do you want all the nodes to vanish?
03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet what you do therte>
03:45 jojoa1997|Tablet it is fun
03:45 telek Exio: Gotcha. English to/from anything doesn't translate nearly as well as most other languages to any other :D
03:45 jojoa1997|Tablet to jump from block to blcok
03:45 NotReallyNick mauvebic: Personally, I never said you were nuts, but what is that screenshot? What are we looking at?
03:46 mauvebic rapid elimination of unwanted shadows
03:47 NotReallyNick Nice!
03:47 mauvebic (which accounts for about 90% of shadows on my map)
03:47 Exio telek: i need to be happy i can write something what isn't nonsense! :P
03:47 telek What does unwanted shadows mean?
03:47 Exio (what isn't nonsense?)
03:47 mauvebic http://ompldr.org/vaTBsNg/screenshot_3801547133.png
03:47 telek Exio: Hehehe :D Pretty much everything is.
03:48 mauvebic ^ unwanted shadows
03:48 telek Whoa.
03:48 jojoa1997|Tablet it is allthe stuff in the air
03:48 telek How did you get the block distance that far out?
03:48 VanessaE mauvebic: I get those too :-/ except they aren't usually as dark.
03:48 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82089#p82089
03:48 telek Ahh so all the weird dark squares on the water surface?
03:49 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_3713013400.png
03:49 VanessaE mauvebic: ^^^^^
03:49 mauvebic i dont suppose theres a way to disable shadows completely without also disabling lights?
03:49 mauvebic dang
03:50 jojoa1997|Tablet ok reapeat after me "directories are good, foldersare my friend, an uncluttered desktop keeps the technition away"
03:50 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: look at my desktop image.
03:50 Menche ?
03:50 mauvebic if presti's good with noise, fixing the shadows shouldn't be too hard for him?
03:50 VanessaE (bottom of the "desktop screenies" thread)
03:51 NotReallyNick Yeah, I need to post mine. My desktop is bare, but I have a nice wallpaper.
03:51 Menche is j4i really using windows 98 or is it just themed like that
03:51 jojoa1997|Tablet WTF
03:51 Exio windows xp
03:51 Menche ah, with the "classic" theme
03:52 Menche people still use XP?
03:52 jojoa1997|Tablet Mine is nice
03:52 * Menche doesn't see his desktop wallpaper that much
03:52 jojoa1997|Tablet It is a slideshow of the Minetest backgrounds topic I posted
03:52 Menche i use a tiling wm
03:53 Exio what wm?
03:53 Menche i3
03:54 Exio ah
03:54 Menche a space on your desktop where you can see the background is wasted space.
03:54 mauvebic lol
03:54 mauvebic i have ... let me count em
03:54 mauvebic 0 icons
03:55 Menche i don't have desktop icons, don't see much use for them
03:55 VanessaE the only desktop icons on my machine are the ones that are there by default, plus if I have my backup drive turned on.
03:55 jojoa1997|Tablet Mine are grouped
03:56 jojoa1997|Tablet Normal along entire left side
03:56 mauvebic shadows = 90% gone
03:56 jojoa1997|Tablet Group of games it middle top
03:56 NotReallyNick My desktop icons are in name only: they're in my menu.
03:56 Menche with my window manager, 100% of the desktop is taken up by windows
03:56 Exio ^ same
03:56 jojoa1997|Tablet Small group of random stuff super right
03:56 Exio i'm enabling the "tilling" mode just for a screenshot
03:57 VanessaE everything I run frequently is in that usually-hidden drop-down panel visible in the screenshot (left screen, top).  Everything else is buried in the menus in the hidden lower panel.
03:57 NotReallyNick Manche: Awesome window manager?
03:57 Exio err
03:57 jojoa1997|Tablet And an island in between games and utility section
03:57 Exio not tilling, floating
03:57 Menche plus it can be controlled entirely from the keyboard
03:57 Exio NotReallyNick: he said i3
03:57 Menche NotReallyNick: i3-wm
03:57 NotReallyNick Sorry, missed it. Holding three conversations at once.
03:58 Menche my "destkop wallpaper" is usually plain black, 'cuz i usually can't see it anyway
03:58 NotReallyNick I chose the darkest wallpaper that came with the operating system. I used to use custom wallpapers, but not any more.
03:58 jojoa1997|Tablet Lala
03:59 NotReallyNick With the work space switcher, I catch glimpses of the desktop.
03:59 Exio i'll upload a screenshot of my desktop!
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04:00 Exio here we go, http://cadoth.net/~exio4/screenshots/dwm-nf.png !
04:00 Exio :D
04:02 Menche http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6149/sceens.png
04:02 Exio oh, netbook now?
04:02 Menche no...
04:02 Menche oh, imageshack must have resized it
04:03 Exio what the hell
04:03 Exio ah
04:03 Menche ?
04:03 Exio 1024xnearly600
04:03 Exio that is why i said what the hell
04:03 Menche my screen is 1366x768
04:03 Menche imageshack resizes images
04:03 Exio imgur > imageshack
04:04 Exio i need to get a dwm working on my laptop
04:05 bas080 i can hear clearly now the birds are whistling. Wear air protection when going to a club kids!
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04:06 mauvebic there, a quick fix for a nasty bug : http://ompldr.org/vaTBsNw/screenshot_3802808604.png
04:07 bas080 kaboom baby
04:07 telek Nice Mauvebic!
04:07 telek What's with all the circles BTW?
04:07 mauvebic air abm even fixed all the nasty shadows under my spawned ships
04:08 telek Ships?
04:08 telek Like multiperson movable ships?
04:08 sdzen goodbye #minetest
04:08 mauvebic they dont move :p
04:08 telek Goodbye sdzen!
04:08 Exio s/minetest/world/
04:08 Exio bye sdzen!
04:08 VanessaE *looks at sdzen*
04:08 mauvebic circles = where i lowered the ground level
04:08 telek mauvebic: Bummer and Ahh.
04:09 mauvebic the only way i can *move* the ships would be to remove them and respawn elsewhere
04:09 mauvebic which is too hackish for my taste lol
04:09 Menche or convert them to entities? -> laaaaag
04:09 Exio that is in the TODO list :P
04:09 Exio of hmmmm
04:09 Menche might be neat to have a smaller ship converted to an entity and flown
04:09 mauvebic though to move that many nodes, it would be better if it was the server moving around it (like warp drive, in theory)
04:09 telek If we got seafaring ships working we'd just need to coopt the skill/stat system from a UO emulator and we'd be almost feature-complete to claim their playerbase :D
04:10 Menche anyone seen StarMade?
04:10 Menche a game that allows you to build and then fly ships
04:10 telek Actually the way I'd come up with to handle it was have it work on the block level rather than node :)
04:10 mauvebic like, mini servers within servers, where the ships would be
04:10 telek Menche: Nope, Hazeron had similiar functionality though.
04:11 Menche would it be practical to convert a small selecton of nodes to entities and attach them to each other?
04:11 mauvebic even though the ships cant move, im working towards making the steamships functional (coal fired engines, pipes for steam, funnels already working)
04:12 telek Cool mauvebic.
04:15 mauvebic i got most of the nice early 20th century ocean liners from cunard and white star :-)
04:16 telek I don't know how to actually implement it, but doing the ships as basically a set of 'virtual blocks', without normal world interaction, but with their blocks acting as giant collision boxes to check against either when the ship moves, an object enters their space, or a node in an overlapping 'real' block is modified, and then running physics on them only when stuff is interacting inside them seems like the best way to handle it.
04:16 telek Sorting out whether they should move in partial nodes, or in degrees like a player seems like it could take some work though.
04:16 telek Same deal with making multi-node carts and such.
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04:17 mauvebic before being able to move groups of nodes though, shadows have to be fixed so you dont end up shadowing your entire map
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04:17 telek mauvebic: Say is the random far away block loading still going on?
04:17 jojoa1997|Tablet Why not make the ship an entity
04:17 mauvebic random far away block loading?
04:17 telek I noticed it was still tending to load far away blocks before the immediate area in 0.4.5
04:17 mauvebic optifine?
04:18 mauvebic theres a pull for it i think
04:18 mauvebic (not me)
04:18 mauvebic oh yeah thats preload item visuals doing that though isnt it?
04:18 jordan4ibanez I don't think I've ever laughed this hard reading this http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5403
04:18 jordan4ibanez before I read this*
04:19 telek mauvebic: Yeah minetest had a tendancy to loading random blocks well out of your 'normal' visual range, even if you had viewing distance set to minimum, which was also causing some of the random lag spikes since it was constantly generating new blocks way out somewhere since you often had never explored out as far as the blocks were being generated.
04:19 mauvebic thats less of a problem for me i play w/ flat maps, no caves, no trees, so even if it is generating chunks off in the distance, no lag spikes
04:21 telek Heh lucky you :)
04:21 mauvebic i have pilzadam to thank for that
04:21 mauvebic his flat maps simplified things greatly lol
04:21 telek My map should load a lot faster in the near future though
04:21 telek Just as soon as all that lush forest finishes burning down thanks to an arsonist player :D
04:21 mauvebic i think ill even compile my paysage mod to luac so that works faster
04:22 telek Has anybody done a profiled build of minetest to see how much of a performance increase it can offer?
04:22 mauvebic paysage and multinode could both benefit from luac actually
04:24 telek Does the fire only 'eat' nodes when you're within activation range of it?
04:24 mauvebic yep yep
04:24 VanessaE forget luac, keep your source open and let luajit do its job
04:24 mauvebic you can reduce the radius of fires tho
04:25 Exio mauvebic: http://ompldr.org/vaHJ5dw/performance_comparison_pathfinding.pdf
04:25 telek mauvebic: Howso?
04:25 Exio "Compiled" is luac
04:25 mauvebic well if it makes things go faster why not compile it?
04:25 mauvebic i can think ofa few mobs that could benefit
04:26 telek Is there a way to JIT it during server startup?
04:26 mauvebic minetest is compiled no one complains lol
04:26 VanessaE because luajit is scheduled to be added soon.
04:26 telek Ahh.
04:26 VanessaE telek: luajit does that.
04:26 mauvebic and even with luajit you can compile
04:26 Exio https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits
04:26 Exio lastest commits, "Add pathfinding what can be used for mods"
04:26 Exio soon luajit will be used
04:26 mauvebic so if compiled lua code is faster, and luajit is faster, then thats faster * faster = uberfast
04:27 telek :D
04:27 telek They don't stack :D
04:27 Exio mauvebic: the performance of luajit is nearly as the performance of C++
04:27 VanessaE Exio: that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it is quite fast.
04:27 mauvebic personally i couldn't tell a difference when i tested it, but most people say so so i wont argue
04:27 telek Somebody needs to make a fire extinguisher mod.
04:28 telek Or a firehose mod.
04:28 Exio VanessaE: in some cases the difference is "only" 50~ms
04:28 telek Maybe a water cannon :D
04:28 jojoa1997|Tablet Done
04:28 VanessaE telek: someone did.
04:28 telek Lol
04:28 telek Link?
04:28 jojoa1997|Tablet Too tired to look up post
04:28 Exio to the more than 300 ms in the BEST case of lua-C++
04:28 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77035#p77035\
04:28 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77035#p77035
04:28 telek Any of those is a huge difference.
04:28 telek Thanks Vanessa :)
04:28 jojoa1997|Tablet Ohh
04:29 mauvebic the engine, could always compile the lua code, and recompile when the source changes, that would be a way to do it
04:29 Exio (in the wors[et] more than 26 seconds of difference between lua<->C++ and  still 50 ms between luajit<->C++
04:29 VanessaE Exio: I'm afraid to benchmark the speed of moretrees+plants_lib without luajit in place :)
04:29 mauvebic but idont fancy the chances of seeing that getting pulled lol
04:29 jojoa1997|Tablet Make fire exti start when they get the fire regard stuff and it adds fire eziti in middle of cloud
04:29 Exio VanessaE: i'm saying for the pathfinding what are "heavy" in terms of math stuff and don't touch the world itself
04:30 jojoa1997|Tablet Wish I am freaalky turecvfd
04:30 telek I'm curious how much faster this fire would burn with luajit in place :D
04:30 VanessaE right
04:30 telek Because I don't have all week :D
04:30 VanessaE telek: no faster, it would just use a small amount less CPU ;)
04:30 Exio mauvebic: the code is compiled when the mod gets loaded
04:30 jojoa1997|Tablet *Wow I am really tired
04:30 telek Also really need charcoal :D
04:30 Exio (aka, when the game starts)
04:30 mauvebic so why do people say luac is faster?
04:30 VanessaE telek: why?  just burn the wood directly.
04:30 telek I should not end up with bare grassy ground when the fire is done :D
04:30 Exio mauvebic: because 1+1=3
04:30 telek VanessaE: Because the fire that's wiping out my forest isn't dropping anything other than apples in return :D
04:31 mauvebic sooo... init.luac > init.lua
04:31 VanessaE mauvebic: maybe because luac is precompiled, so "faster" probably just means faster startup time.
04:31 mauvebic that wouldn't hurt either lol
04:31 mauvebic takes a good 60 seconds here
04:31 telek Which by the way I will be selling at a steep discount as soon as inter-server item trading is implemented :D
04:31 Exio it is not because luac
04:31 jojoa1997|Tablet Does luac have same syntax as lua
04:31 VanessaE telek: uninstall the fire mod, restart your server, and go delete all the fire nodes manually :)
04:31 mauvebic and im trying to cut back on cigarettes so long loadtimes = bad lol
04:31 jojoa1997|Tablet Also lujiyt same syntax as lua
04:32 jojoa1997|Tablet .?
04:32 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: luajit is a drop-in replacement for statight Lua
04:32 VanessaE straight*
04:32 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: luac is just doing a step what lua already does "by default" outside the runtime
04:32 mauvebic is there gonna be a way to switch back and forth between luas for testing?
04:32 jojoa1997|Tablet Mauvebic 1000 + nodes doesn't help
04:32 telek VanessaE: I would but at this point it's done an irreversible amount of damage and the only player with construction since the last backup is the same one who burnt it down :D
04:32 mauvebic jojoa please most these people here have 10* that
04:32 VanessaE mauvebic: at compile time.
04:33 mauvebic sweet i could compile twin versions
04:33 VanessaE telek: so, it's a matter of "Some people just like to watch the world burn." in this case? :)
04:33 jojoa1997|Tablet Same here
04:33 jojoa1997|Tablet Looks great non technic
04:34 jojoa1997|Tablet WHICH SOMEONE SHOULD UPDATE!!!
04:34 mauvebic uncaps or ill come over there and take the caps button
04:34 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: update what, technic?
04:34 telek VanessaE: Pretty much. I moved it onto another port, so worst case they can worldedit it and copy it back into the old world.
04:34 jojoa1997|Tablet Tronic
04:34 VanessaE mauvebic: good luck, he's on a tablet. :)
04:34 telek But it's a month and a half old.
04:34 mauvebic smashy smashy
04:35 mauvebic apple has douchecare anyhow lol
04:35 jojoa1997|Tablet I will rip your arms off it you try
04:35 telek If I was running DragonFlyBSD I'd just have it doing nightlies since I could dedup the worldfiles, but sadly that doesn't apply ATM :)
04:35 VanessaE I don't think he's using an ipad :)
04:35 jojoa1997|Tablet Tronic texture pack needs updating
04:35 * jojoa1997|Tablet IS CHEWBACCA
04:35 mauvebic at least we know he's not a douche then lol
04:36 telek Speaking of: Is there an irrlicht port to android/iOS? And any work towards a minetest port?
04:36 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: ANNOYING* you mean
04:36 jojoa1997|Tablet IM USING CAPS, IM USING CAPS HAHAHAHAHAHA
04:36 mauvebic except when he uses caps
04:36 jojoa1997|Tablet what was that
04:36 mauvebic if you dont stop were gonna tell your mom you're playing computer games
04:36 Exio telek: sfan5 was trying to do some stuff with that
04:36 * jojoa1997|Tablet hangs his head like a puppy
04:36 Exio even the irrlicht examples didn't work
04:36 Exio didn't try here really
04:36 jojoa1997|Tablet Lol you cant
04:37 mauvebic oh no, you've killed her?
04:37 jojoa1997|Tablet Try to do actual minetest
04:37 Exio i should try the proper way:
04:37 jojoa1997|Tablet Nope
04:37 Exio * install debian
04:37 Exio * install irrlicht with opengl-es support
04:37 jojoa1997|Tablet I don't have a bag under my be...
04:37 Exio * use minetest!
04:37 jojoa1997|Tablet ...
04:37 Exio s/use/play/
04:37 jojoa1997|Tablet Wha
04:37 jojoa1997|Tablet .....
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet What is that hand doing there?
04:38 mauvebic dont wanna know lol
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet SHE'S ALIVE
04:38 Exio k
04:38 mauvebic baby jesus cries when you do that
04:38 Exio this went mad
04:38 Exio i'm going to sleep now
04:38 telek Exio: Interesting
04:38 Exio good night mad people
04:38 telek Night:)
04:38 mauvebic night
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet Night muwhahahaha
04:38 Exio and some other people like telek! :P
04:38 jojoa1997|Tablet OK so
04:39 jojoa1997|Tablet Has anyone actually treied minetest
04:39 mauvebic naw, ive just been hanging around the forums for a year pretending
04:39 jojoa1997|Tablet Sfan's examples could have been coddled wrong
04:39 jojoa1997|Tablet Minetest on android
04:39 telek Heh, nobody likes me, some are just too bored to tell me to go away :D
04:39 Menche his examples were coddled wrong?
04:40 mauvebic he wasn't affectionate enough
04:40 jojoa1997|Tablet telek go away
04:40 telek I really need to make the fire mod convert leaf into ash or something and the wood into coal.
04:40 jojoa1997|Tablet Coded wrong
04:40 mauvebic convert players to ash?
04:40 telek Ending up with bare ground after wiping out whole forests is wrong :D
04:41 telek mauvebic: That'd be fun too.
04:41 mauvebic craft idea: dead players -> soap
04:41 telek LOL!
04:41 VanessaE oh G*d.
04:41 jojoa1997|Tablet gotta catch em all gotta catch em all pokemon
04:41 mauvebic im a sick bastard lol
04:41 telek Don't forget your lye scar on the back of your hand :D
04:41 telek 'What do you mean the vinegar mod isn't complete yet!!!?!?!' :D
04:42 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: http://ifunny.mobi/#OXW30rJY
04:42 jojoa1997|Tablet im ash ketchup
04:42 jojoa1997|Tablet you sick person
04:42 VanessaE haha
04:42 VanessaE it was just the the right timing :)
04:42 jojoa1997|Tablet got stuff em all gotta stuff em all pokestuffed
04:43 jojoa1997|Tablet im crazy when i forget to take my meds and the adhd takes over
04:43 mauvebic any kid who doesn't take ritalin today... lol
04:43 jojoa1997|Tablet that and i stay up on 13 hours of energy in 3 days
04:44 jojoa1997|Tablet concerta
04:44 VanessaE /kick jojoa1997|Tablet take your meds :)
04:44 mauvebic that stuff is basically synthetic coke
04:44 jojoa1997|Tablet and it has weird but good affects on me
04:44 mauvebic they also sell for a pretty penny
04:44 jojoa1997|Tablet if i take them now instead of being tired i will stay up for around 12 hours more
04:44 mauvebic like i said, synthetic coke lol
04:45 jojoa1997|Tablet no it is really phsycotics
04:45 jojoa1997|Tablet makes my neruons overworked
04:45 mauvebic ive taken anxiety meds, its not the same :p
04:45 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#giZSon8J  <-  my husband facepalmed on this one :D
04:46 mauvebic (stopped taking anxiety meds when i woke up half naked in a park surrounded by cops)
04:46 VanessaE oh my
04:46 jojoa1997|Tablet good side affects for me
04:46 VanessaE talk about lowering your barriers.
04:46 jojoa1997|Tablet can stay awake in school, less hunger
04:46 mauvebic a little too relaxed eh
04:46 jojoa1997|Tablet bad effacts none
04:46 mauvebic though i couldn't remember a thing
04:47 jojoa1997|Tablet i was not there
04:47 jojoa1997|Tablet >.>
04:47 jojoa1997|Tablet you do not follow bacon in your sleep >.>
04:48 mauvebic the really shitty part is the meds didn't stop the attacks lol
04:48 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82151#p82151
04:49 * jojoa1997|Tablet gives mauvebic a genie psycologist
04:49 jojoa1997|Tablet you use your 3 wishes uselessly and want a fourth one that stops the anxiety
04:49 telek mauvebic: I have a friend who took anti-anxiety meds. He decided alcohol works better with fewer side effects :D
04:50 mauvebic shrinks dont know jack about claustrophobia, they usually ask about being locked in closets lol
04:50 telek Hey it's all about context.
04:50 mauvebic its all about money
04:50 telek Stick me in a cave and tell me the entrance is sealed and I'll probably get claustrophobia too :D
04:50 mauvebic when you feel its going nowhere, they want to talk about your parents
04:51 telek You should tell them your parents were shrinks too.
04:51 mauvebic engineers :p
04:51 telek Then get to all the psychological abuse, then exactly how you stopped them psychoanalyzing you.... Possibly while holding the shrinks pen in a deathgrip :D
04:51 jojoa1997|Tablet son your claustophobic cause your paranets made you get it
04:51 jojoa1997|Tablet so how do your parents make you feel
04:51 telek Claustrophobia is contagious :D
04:52 mauvebic naw but it comes on in random contexts, sometimes rooms that were previously comfortable feel suddenly cramped
04:52 jojoa1997|Tablet FOOD
04:52 telek mauvebic: So it's just like any other anxiety then?
04:52 mauvebic yeah completely random hard to trace lol
04:53 * jojoa1997|Tablet back with his 1:00 snack of 1/4 loaf of freanch bread
04:53 jojoa1997|Tablet BREAD
04:53 mauvebic and it can take years to find pills that work, if you ever do lol
04:54 jojoa1997|Tablet A MONTH BEFORE THEy take effect
04:54 jojoa1997|Tablet a month to ween off
04:54 jojoa1997|Tablet and a month before changing meds
04:54 jojoa1997|Tablet 3 months with no help
04:54 mauvebic more like a year for effexor
04:54 jojoa1997|Tablet effexor?
04:55 mauvebic new fangled anxiety pills
04:55 telek Out of curiousity, would it be difficult to clamp worldgen above a certain level to a tga heightmap, or equivalent?
04:55 mauvebic quite a few people offed themselves taking those lol
04:55 jojoa1997|Tablet NOOO GO AWAY
04:55 jojoa1997|Tablet this channel is for minetest not meds
04:56 telek :D
04:56 mauvebic you brought it up lol
04:56 telek Somebody make a drug mod for minetest :D
04:56 jojoa1997|Tablet we got way off topic
04:56 jojoa1997|Tablet DONe
04:56 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4103
04:57 mauvebic ok, back on topic, how do we make soap out of players? oh nvm lol
04:57 mauvebic :p
04:57 jojoa1997|Tablet NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
04:57 jojoa1997|Tablet can anyone make a widows build
04:57 VanessaE fuck windows :)
04:57 jojoa1997|Tablet please i am in dire need of current github
04:57 jojoa1997|Tablet https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master
04:58 jojoa1997|Tablet MAPGEN V7
04:58 mauvebic windows can go have intercourse with itself
04:58 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam, sfan5, thexyz if your here ^
04:58 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: mapgen v7 isn't actually "in" yet.
04:58 VanessaE that's a partial commit
04:58 jojoa1997|Tablet what?
05:00 jojoa1997|Tablet here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8ec3fc35c656544a55f7f8ece9359c9e2b472e8f
05:00 mauvebic someone described v7 as proller's playground :p
05:00 jojoa1997|Tablet oh :/
05:00 jojoa1997|Tablet yep it is
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05:00 jojoa1997|Tablet lol
05:00 jojoa1997|Tablet i just realized how better minetest is than minecraft
05:00 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: anyway yeah, it's not complete and disabled by default.
05:00 VanessaE so you suck at reading :)
05:01 jojoa1997|Tablet we can make mods in a split
05:01 jojoa1997|Tablet i am not thinking straight
05:01 jojoa1997|Tablet i am thinking in curved pentagons
05:02 jojoa1997|Tablet i am an isocedron
05:02 jojoa1997|Tablet .................
05:02 mauvebic i see paramat is working on the stanford torus
05:02 mauvebic without proper gravity for it though i dont see how it can work :/
05:03 jojoa1997|Tablet .torus?
05:03 jojoa1997|Tablet what is that
05:03 mauvebic never saw gundam wing?
05:03 jojoa1997|Tablet lin,lk
05:03 jojoa1997|Tablet pic soethimg
05:03 mauvebic screenshots thread, last post by paramat
05:04 jojoa1997|Tablet link
05:04 mauvebic dont have it
05:04 jojoa1997|Tablet link
05:04 jojoa1997|Tablet jk
05:04 jojoa1997|Tablet where is my o\onternet button
05:05 jojoa1997|Tablet Come press it for me
05:05 jojoa1997|Tablet I wish I could say I was drunk but I cant
05:05 mauvebic didnt your parents ever tell you not to invite strange men you meet on the internet?
05:06 jojoa1997|Tablet I'm not drunl
05:06 jojoa1997|Tablet Drunk
05:06 jojoa1997|Tablet From alcohol
05:07 mauvebic i doubt you could legally buy alcohol lol
05:08 jojoa1997|Tablet not drunk from alcohol
05:08 jojoa1997|Tablet and i cant but we do have beer and wine in the house
05:08 mauvebic drinking mouthwash isn't healthy either
05:09 jojoa1997|Tablet wow
05:09 jojoa1997|Tablet someone too little sleep and 1 in the morning they would go to bed
05:10 jojoa1997|Tablet me i stay up get drunk from nothiung and probably wont get to sleep
05:10 jojoa1997|Tablet i need minetest pe
05:12 jojoa1997|Tablet 52 till i reach 5000 posts yay
05:12 mauvebic jesus
05:13 jojoa1997|Tablet mineest reach registered uses
05:13 jojoa1997|Tablet i habve
05:13 jojoa1997|Tablet 2105
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05:14 jojoa1997|Tablet lala
05:14 jojoa1997|Tablet night all
05:15 jojoa1997|Tablet must finish hw later
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05:46 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/qb3SNKK-GIE?t=2m6s
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05:55 mauvebic dang i thought the ocean i made was big enough - half of Carpathia spawned inland lol
06:16 VanessaE night all
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06:42 mauvebic gravel footsteps sounds more like shovelling gravel lol
06:43 NotReallyNick It sounds like when you scuff you feet in gravel.
06:43 mauvebic in steel boots :p
06:44 mauvebic almost like dice in a cup or boggle or something lol
06:44 NotReallyNick I guess all this time, I've been wearing steel boots and I didn't even know it! I need to pay more attention to what I put on my feet ....
06:44 mauvebic well round here gravel sounds like walking in pebbles/little stones
06:45 mauvebic but the sound itself it sortof distorted/echoey
06:45 NotReallyNick Hmm. I guess you're right.
06:46 mauvebic ill try reducing the feedback in audacity see what that gives - i might just have a really old default too
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07:40 bas080 Help me test civilization mod! It is very different from default minetest. It's goal is collaborative gameplay.
07:40 bas080 31.151.189.3
07:40 bas080 30000
07:42 bas080 hey sfan5
07:42 sfan5 hi
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07:43 bas080 sfan5, is that a good morning?
07:44 sfan5 yes
07:44 bas080 good morning
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08:09 Calinou rofl http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/temp/png.png
08:09 Calinou line 3 especially
08:10 ironzorg he's right though
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08:28 * Calinou shoots YoYoBuddy using the noob weapon®
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08:40 NotReallyNick I found something interesting. There are three key dyes in minetest/common. If we had a way to get white, cyan, and red dyes, all the others could be gotten by mixing. The best part is that the mix recipes already exist.
08:41 NotReallyNick https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/24
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09:03 Calinou moreblocks updated
09:03 Calinou NotReallyNick: buut... with red/blue/green/yellow dyes, you can make a windows logo!
09:04 NotReallyNick You can make blue, green, and yellow dyes by mixing. Then you can build your Windows logo.
09:05 NotReallyNick That's the whole point. With red, cyan, and white, you can mix to get ALL the other dies.
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09:05 NotReallyNick Though if you come to my server and build a Windows logo, it better not be at Ubuntu Beach.
09:07 NotReallyNick We still need a way to get wool, but I imagine nothing anyone proposes on that front will get pulled untill there are sheep.
09:07 NotReallyNick Bluh ... sheep.
09:08 NotReallyNick Unless we can get the higher-ups so change wool into cotton, and add backwards-compatibility aliases.
09:08 NotReallyNick Cotton farms would be much more fun than sheep farms.
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09:40 kaeza hi all
09:41 NotReallyNick Hey, kaeza.
09:41 NotReallyNick I found something interesting about dye. Using only cyan, white, and red dye, we can mix to get all the rest.
09:43 Doyousketch2 Slightly shaded chat text, so it's easier to read - https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/608
09:44 NotReallyNick It claims to be a 404.
09:44 NotReallyNick Of course, Github lies and says non-404 errors are 404 errors too, so that may not be the actual issue.
09:45 Doyousketch2 k, try this one then - http://pastebin.com/tfLkJFd8
09:46 NotReallyNick Wow, such a simple fix. I don't see why that wouldn't get pulled.
09:46 Doyousketch2 it's a simple 1 line fix, with a comment to let others know it'd be fine if they shrink the shadow to the width of the text if they happen to know how.
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09:47 Doyousketch2 it's not too dark tho, so you can still see through it
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09:49 NotReallyNick Yeah, that's certainly important. You don't want to have to disable the chat when working.
09:50 Doyousketch2 right.  it's mostly so you can read while looking at bright things - sky & clouds in particular.
09:51 NotReallyNick Ooh, I forgot about that. I'm usually underground, so I've got a dark backdrop for text. But when in sky cities ....
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10:14 Leoneof how many users in VanessaE's server? i see one
10:14 NotReallyNick Checking ....
10:15 NotReallyNick According to "the list", only two.
10:15 NotReallyNick http://servers.minetest.net/
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10:16 Leoneof NotReallyNick: thanks
10:16 NotReallyNick Yeah, any time.
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10:30 Calinou_ yey, got a reboot
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10:42 NotReallyNick Hey, PilzAdam.
10:42 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:42 Leoneof hello
10:43 LunaVorax I still don't understand why the sky is fading to black when I'm facing the ground in minetest.
10:43 LunaVorax I mean, why such a decision?
10:44 NotReallyNick Good question. I don't know the answer though.
10:44 NotReallyNick Maybe in minimizes the blue look when looking down deep holes.
10:53 NotReallyNick Come to think of it, it doesn't happen when you're high up.
10:54 NotReallyNick Maybe it just has to do with light sources, or lack of.
10:54 Matsetes http://i.imgur.com/n40BWC1.png
10:54 Matsetes I found this little bug
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10:55 NotReallyNick Nice.
10:55 NotReallyNick I still haven't found any jungles or dungeons, but it looks like you have both together.
10:56 NotReallyNick I did manage to buy a jungle sapling of one of the moderators though.
10:57 Matsetes NotReallyNick: You have to create a new world with the option dungeon and jungle
10:58 Matsetes Where I have to signal this bug?
10:59 NotReallyNick Matsetes: I have jungles and dungeons in my old world. I haven't seen them, but others on the server have, such as that moderator. He has mossy cobble too, so he must have found a dungeon in addition to the jungle he got the sapling from.
10:59 NotReallyNick What bug?
11:00 Matsetes The one of the image
11:00 NotReallyNick Hmm. I might be able to fix it with a pull request right now. Hold on.
11:01 kaeza Matsetes, dungeons floating in midair? >.<
11:02 Matsetes Yes
11:02 NotReallyNick I think he means that it was torn apart.
11:02 NotReallyNick Oh, the floating? Sorry, I can't fix that.
11:02 Matsetes kaeza: And it was not completely generated
11:02 NotReallyNick Also, what's wrong with floating ones? Those ire cool.
11:02 Matsetes There were only some nodes
11:02 NotReallyNick I can fix the incomplete part, I think.
11:03 kaeza Matsetes, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2097666821.jpg
11:03 Matsetes kaeza: This is on the ground
11:04 kaeza yeah
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11:04 NotReallyNick Making cobble and mossy cobble not be ground content, we'd fix that, right?
11:04 kaeza but the dungeons are meant to be generated only over existing nodes ({{cn}})
11:05 kaeza ah
11:05 kaeza that may be NotReallyNick
11:05 pandaro hi all
11:05 kaeza hey pandaro
11:05 pandaro help me:how to handle collisions between objects?
11:05 pandaro cia kaeza
11:06 kaeza you can't
11:06 pandaro :(
11:06 NotReallyNick I don't think objects can colide.
11:06 NotReallyNick *collide
11:06 kaeza yes, LuaEntities do collide
11:06 pandaro but...but
11:06 kaeza but there's no callback for that AFAIK
11:06 PilzAdam mauvebic, zIMG works again!
11:06 NotReallyNick Ah, my bad then.
11:07 Jordach NotReallyNick, morning
11:07 pandaro but:https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8800896824d609c754eee38d3720a112f4216e57
11:08 NotReallyNick Morning, Jordach
11:08 pandaro So what does this mean? object collision handling
11:09 pandaro https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8800896824d609c754eee38d3720a112f4216e57
11:09 kaeza pandaro, entities collide with each other
11:09 NotReallyNick Pull requested.
11:09 kaeza but you cannot know in Lua when that happens
11:10 pandaro ok, now i understand thanks a lot
11:10 kaeza unless you check manually for such cases
11:10 kaeza np :)
11:11 PilzAdam Calinou, spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82182#p82182
11:12 Jordach Calinou, spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82085#p82085
11:13 NotReallyNick Texture pack info is spam?
11:13 PilzAdam Calinou, spam: http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=332
11:13 * Jordach gives PilzAdam BF4
11:13 * NotReallyNick raises eyebrow inquisitively
11:13 * Jordach knows the forums id
11:13 * NotReallyNick giggles at the third spam
11:14 PilzAdam I bet a mod that Likwid doesnt finish the TP
11:15 Jordach PilzAdam, yeah, he's like this: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/6981445_700b.jpg
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11:16 * NotReallyNick can't stop giggling, because it's 4:15 am, and he's very tired
11:16 NotReallyNick Not at the image though, at Jordach's profile being spam.
11:17 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82078#p82078 <- wow! a new Moontest
11:17 sdzen http://pastebin.com/iGjxxEnA
11:17 sdzen why does this always happen to me? :P
11:18 * Calinou folds the topic like a piece of paper
11:18 NotReallyNick That happens to me a lot when logging out.
11:18 * Calinou holds left mouse button and looks at the trash
11:18 * Calinou holds left mouse button...
11:18 * Calinou releases left mouse button
11:18 Jordach PilzAdam, let's make Moontest the official word for a never to happen mod / project
11:18 Calinou topic is now in trash.
11:18 PilzAdam sdzen, because you cant use the teleport command?
11:18 PilzAdam Jordach, +1
11:18 sdzen but the teleport command works.....
11:19 PilzAdam bbl
11:19 NotReallyNick Bye.
11:19 sdzen why would it suddenly not work
11:20 NotReallyNick Why would it stop working? Maybe because:
11:20 NotReallyNick minetest.chatcommands.teleport = nil
11:22 Jordach Calinou, while your deleting things, lets put likwid in the bin
11:24 * Calinou backstabs Jordach, saps Jordach's dispenser, disguises as Jordach
11:24 * Calinou types "rtd" and explodes
11:25 NotReallyNick What is "rtd"?
11:25 RealBadAngel if somebody want to try build minetest with luajit on different platforms: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
11:26 RealBadAngel no extra compile options needed (only when one want to disable luajit)
11:26 kaeza RealBadAngel, mornings
11:26 RealBadAngel hi
11:27 kaeza does that work on Linux?
11:27 RealBadAngel yup
11:27 RealBadAngel propably on all platforms too
11:27 kaeza let's try then
11:28 RealBadAngel because i used non-modified luajit compile files (only skipped system wide installation of libraries)
11:28 sdzen can anyone suggest how to fix this issue?
11:30 NotReallyNick Okay, I'll compile it on Ubuntu 12.04.1, 64 bit.
11:32 Matsetes Hi RealBadAngel
11:32 RealBadAngel hi
11:34 kaeza RealBadAngel, /home/diego/src/minetest/src/luajit/src/lib_base.c:74:1: error: size of array 'STATIC_ASSERTION_FAILED' is negative
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11:36 Dopium Having some problem logging into minetest.net it says it thinks im bot
11:36 NotReallyNick Is it right?
11:37 NotReallyNick Are you?
11:37 Dopium What?
11:37 NotReallyNick Are you a bot?
11:37 Dopium whats bot?
11:37 sdzen robot
11:37 sdzen artificial person
11:37 kaeza Dopium, tried clearing the cache and/or cookies on your browser?
11:37 Dopium last time i checked i bleed
11:38 Dopium yes i did kaeza
11:38 NotReallyNick What browser?
11:38 kaeza inb4 IE
11:38 Dopium chrome
11:38 kaeza :D
11:38 Dopium anyway to fix it?
11:38 NotReallyNick I'll see what I can find about Chrome.
11:39 Dopium also lost my public server list on 0.4.6 dont know if its related tho
11:41 NotReallyNick Sorry, I can't ee anything on Chrome.
11:41 NotReallyNick *see
11:42 NotReallyNick Did you use the run_in_place version of Minetest 0.4.5 and 0.4.6?
11:42 Dopium yeah default 0.4.6 download
11:43 NotReallyNick That's why then. It saved it to the directory it was in. So when you switched to the new one, you switched to a blank server list.
11:44 NotReallyNick You can copy the list over, if you want.
11:44 Dopium ok the Git file?
11:44 NotReallyNick No.
11:44 NotReallyNick I'll find it.
11:45 NotReallyNick minetest-0.4.5/client/serverlist/favoriteservers.txt
11:46 Dopium didnt work still loaded up with only favorite page not public list
11:47 Dopium no option to switch between either
11:47 NotReallyNick Oh, I thought you said the favorite server list was missing.
11:47 Dopium no lol
11:47 Dopium public server list
11:48 NotReallyNick Are you on Windows? I hear there is an issue with Windows because Windows uses non-standard line endings.
11:48 NotReallyNick If you're on Windows, I don't think there is a fix yet.
11:49 Dopium yeah windows, ah i must have some sort of a bug. It worked the first time i played then i tried again it was gone.
11:50 NotReallyNick Yeah. Windows always has some sort of bug. Maybe the list will come back if you keep trying. Or not, I don't knoe.
11:50 NotReallyNick *know
11:50 Dopium np thanks for the help but i dont know what to do about the bot problem, might try a new browser
11:51 NotReallyNick RealBadAngel: The game compiles and creates a world, but when entering that world, the game crashes.
11:52 NotReallyNick (The world was using the "minimal" game.)
11:52 RealBadAngel any error logs?
11:52 NotReallyNick Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2
11:53 NotReallyNick Linux 3.2.0-39-generic #62-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 28 00:28:53 UTC 2013 x86_64
11:53 NotReallyNick Creating X window...
11:53 NotReallyNick Visual chosen: : 276
11:53 NotReallyNick Using renderer: OpenGL 2.1
11:53 NotReallyNick Gallium 0.4 on ATI RS690: X.Org R300 Project
11:53 NotReallyNick OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
11:53 NotReallyNick GLSL version: 1.2
11:53 NotReallyNick Loaded texture: /home/us_0gb/Downloads/minetest-master/textures/base/pack/menuheader.png
11:53 NotReallyNick AL lib: pulseaudio.c:331: PulseAudio returned minreq > tlength/2; expect break up
11:53 NotReallyNick Segmentation fault (core dumped)
11:53 NotReallyNick It had that same error twice.
11:54 RealBadAngel pulse audio? what does it have in common to luajit??
11:55 NotReallyNick No idea.
11:55 NotReallyNick I just checked, and the stable version is running fine.
11:56 NotReallyNick Could something else have been broken when adding LuaJIT support?
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11:59 RealBadAngel im not sure
11:59 RealBadAngel i will try to change something, hold on
12:04 RealBadAngel NotReallyNick, what are your compile options?
12:07 NotReallyNick RealBadAngel: I don't know. How do I find out?
12:07 NotReallyNick OH!
12:07 NotReallyNick Do you mean what I entered?
12:07 NotReallyNick I only used -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1.
12:08 RealBadAngel im not sure this problem is related at all to luajit
12:09 NotReallyNick Hmm. I don't know then.
12:09 RealBadAngel can you try to compile fresh game sources from git?
12:09 RealBadAngel i mean without luajit
12:09 NotReallyNick Your version or the regular dev version?
12:09 RealBadAngel regular
12:10 RealBadAngel only change in mine is luajit, rest is up to date
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12:28 NotReallyNick RealBadAngel: Latest git Minetest compiles and runs just fine.
12:28 RealBadAngel ok, lemme upload another version
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12:41 RealBadAngel NotReallyNick, https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest try now
12:41 NotReallyNick Hey, Zeg9.
12:41 Zeg9 Hello !
12:41 Zeg9 NotReallyNick, do I know you under another name?
12:41 RealBadAngel ive just uploaded slightly different version
12:41 NotReallyNick Yeah, I'm 0gb.us.
12:42 Zeg9 Oh okay
12:42 NotReallyNick See? I wasn't really Nick after all.
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12:59 NotReallyNick RealBadAngel: I get the same error as before. Sorry.
13:00 NotReallyNick I need to get to bed now though. Good night.
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13:13 Taoki Is there any way in the Lua API to get the orientation of a node? Like how a furnace or stair is rotated
13:18 kaeza minetest.env:get_node(pos).param2 I think
13:18 kaeza only for nodes with paramtype2=="facedir"
13:19 Taoki Hmm... ok
13:19 Taoki A bit weird of an implementation but still
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13:21 dante123 any reason NOT to go with 64 bit (ie. user of pc wiill be  linux newbie, some issues still exists, etc.)???
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13:47 Jordach dante123, the best bit about 64bit is the speed
13:48 Jordach but, 64bit linux is generally stab;e
13:48 Jordach but i use 32bit
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14:00 Jordach just to make sure it works
14:03 FreeFull dante123: I haven't had any problems with 64-bit linux myself
14:03 FreeFull Just pick some distro that will have all the multilib stuff installed by default and everything should work
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14:12 * sfan5 has just installed 64 bit ubuntu instead of 32bit
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14:28 VanessaE hi all.
14:30 kaeza hi V
14:30 ShadowNinja hi VanessaE
14:31 ShadowNinja I see MinetestBot is still MIA
14:31 VanessaE hey hey.
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14:39 ShadowNinja it didn't work :-( ShadowBot was supposed to leave automaticaly
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14:39 sfan5 \o/
14:40 ShadowNinja sfan5: Is this correct? if input.sender = '#minetest' and input.nick == 'MinetestBot':
14:41 sfan5 you need to use ==
14:41 ShadowNinja oh, I think I see the issue
14:42 ShadowNinja and annother thing, I wrote it on a tablet over ssh
14:42 sfan5 oh, nice
14:43 VanessaE tablets can do ssh?
14:43 ShadowNinja yep, connectbot
14:43 VanessaE nice.
14:43 * sfan5 has connectbot on his android phone too
14:43 VanessaE well, that just settled it.  I'm gonna have to get me a tablet.  :)
14:44 ShadowNinja irssi + tmux = win
14:47 Matsetes Are there stone bricks now in the 0.4.6?
14:47 VanessaE yep
14:48 Matsetes And stone brick slabs also?
14:48 VanessaE they're the old brick-like cobble texture
14:48 VanessaE dunno about that
14:48 ShadowNinja sfan5: is there a way to reload the config in phenny without a restart?
14:48 VanessaE (so cobble got a new texture, and stone bricks got the old brick-y texture)
14:48 Matsetes And do you know how to craft stone brick?
14:48 sfan5 the config, no
14:48 sfan5 modules, yes
14:48 VanessaE not sure how to craft them
14:50 ShadowNinja sfan5: still getting this error: AttributeError: object has no attribute 'authors' (file "/home/owen/minetest/phennymod/mymods/feedparser.py", line 286, in  __getattr__)
14:51 Matsetes Ok, 4 nodes of stone make 4 stone brick
14:51 Matsetes No, one stone brick
14:51 sfan5 ShadowNinja: that sometimes happens when github sends invalid data
14:51 ShadowNinja and is there a way to load new modules or unload them
14:51 sfan5 no
14:51 sfan5 you can only reload existing modules
14:52 ShadowNinja I know, but it always happens, I just re enabled it
14:52 sfan5 hm
14:52 sfan5 have you installed the feedparser module for ypthon
14:52 sfan5 ...
14:52 Matsetes And there are also stone brick slab
14:52 sfan5 ShadowNinja: what is this file? /home/owen/minetest/phennymod/mymods/feedparser.py
14:53 sfan5 hey MinetestBot
14:53 MinetestBot Hey sfan5!
14:53 ShadowNinja it is a module that your module needed
14:54 sfan5 hm
14:54 sfan5 it works fine for me
14:54 sfan5 you seem to have used a different way to install it
14:54 ShadowNinja can you send me your feedparser?
14:55 sfan5 i used "sudo easy_install feedparser" to install it
14:56 sfan5 easy_install is in python-setuptools (in case you're on debian/ubuntu)
14:56 sfan5 +the package
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15:00 * Kacey forgot to say goo morning to everyone
15:00 Kacey good*
15:01 ShadowNinja seems to be working now...
15:02 ShadowNinja now I just have remind wanting clock
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15:04 rubenwardy hi all
15:05 Kacey my serverlist isn't working...
15:05 Kacey i am using a PilzAdam build
15:05 PilzAdam known bug
15:06 Kacey and now i can't get on ShadowNinja's server because idk the address
15:06 ShadowNinja 67.241.154.164
15:06 PilzAdam wait, you mean the public list?
15:06 ShadowNinja memorized :-)
15:07 Kacey in the multiplayer tab
15:09 Kacey server shut down
15:10 PilzAdam Kacey, works for me in my win build
15:10 Kacey i have just the 0.4.6 nothing newer
15:11 ShadowNinja Kacey: back up, IRC mod is having some issues
15:11 PilzAdam I dont have a 0.4.6 build
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15:12 Kacey http://minetest.ru/builds/minetest-0.4.6.zip
15:12 PilzAdam that isnt my build
15:13 Kacey ooh ok
15:13 Kacey i will update later today perhaps
15:17 * VanessaE points to her latest build, but it's for linux.
15:17 * sfan5 points to his latest build
15:17 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82154#p82154
15:17 * PilzAdam points VanessaE to PPA
15:17 VanessaE PPAs are for the lazy ;)
15:18 VanessaE I'm not *that* lazy yet :D
15:18 VanessaE (and PPAs don't build with custom options e.g. +LuaJIT, -Freetype, +cURL)
15:19 PilzAdam you can upload your hand build .debs to a PPA
15:19 VanessaE meh
15:19 VanessaE this is easier.
15:20 VanessaE one command, two passwords and a couple of copy&paste and I have a new build posted and ready to download.
15:20 PilzAdam not for users
15:20 VanessaE I don't cater to idiots who can't figure out "sudo dpkg -i file.deb; sudo apt-get -f install"
15:21 kaeza thanks :(
15:21 VanessaE kaeza: you coulda figured it out, so you're not an idiot :)
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15:21 VanessaE now hmmmm on the other hand..
15:21 kaeza thanks :)
15:21 VanessaE oh hi  :D
15:22 PilzAdam VanessaE, RBA wanted to include LuaJIT into the src tree to make installation easier
15:22 PilzAdam you are against that too?
15:22 VanessaE PilzAdam: and well he should, he and I have been talking about this, and as we speak he's trying to get it working fluidly.
15:22 VanessaE No, in fact I'm in favor of including it.
15:22 hmmmm well the idea was to include luajit in the source tree
15:22 hmmmm as the default
15:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, see? youre wrong again
15:23 kaeza LuaJit this breaks with non-src-dir builds
15:23 hmmmm kaeza, your patch broke RUN_IN_PLACE
15:23 kaeza hmmmm, how so?
15:23 PilzAdam hmmmm, the system wide LuaJIT should be used
15:23 hmmmm oh
15:23 PilzAdam and fall back to Lua in the src tree if its not present
15:24 hmmmm yes, i agree, that's what the behavior should be
15:24 hmmmm I thought you meant add support for luajit in the source
15:24 Kacey ShadowNinja|Away, i think your creative mod got borked a little... lol
15:24 rubenwardy ./Jordach --joke "mese"
15:24 hmmmm instead of having people patch it and recompile
15:24 PilzAdam kaeza, your patch placed the executable in src/bin
15:24 hmmmm kaeza, the variables you use are defined by CMake and are the same as the source directory
15:24 hmmmm the purpose of RUN_IN_PLACE is to put them in bin, not src/bin
15:25 hmmmm also as an added side effect, whenever people do git add "src/*" it adds the binaries too
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15:28 VanessaE I'd personally prefer the following scenario:  Use system-wide luajit first, if that isn't found, revert to a bundled, whitelisted-by-OS-and-distro copy.  If that can't be built, then build against vanilla Lua.
15:28 PilzAdam thats overkill
15:28 VanessaE (I suggest the whitelist based on the issues RBA is currently having with getting it to build)
15:32 RealBadAngel nah, thats not good idea
15:32 khonkhortisan I like the system-then-bundled-then-regular, without the whitelist
15:32 PilzAdam why should we bundle Lua and LuaJIT?
15:32 PilzAdam thats nonsense
15:33 VanessaE PilzAdam: because some systems can't run luajit at al.
15:33 VanessaE all*
15:33 khonkhortisan So we can sometimes be faster
15:33 khonkhortisan yes it doesn't make sense
15:33 VanessaE (personally, I see no reason to care about those systems, because Minetest doesn't run on those platforms anyways)
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15:34 PilzAdam what systems?
15:36 VanessaE I'm not sure what the list includes, only what it doesn't.  Jit and Minetest both run on Windows, Linux, and arguably Mac, under x86, AMD64...  plus jit runs on the xbox 360, android, ps3, ios, and under ARM, PPC, MIPS, and whatever this 'e500' is.
15:37 VanessaE jit runs also on BSD, not sure if MT does (probably)
15:37 VanessaE that covers like 99.999% of the market.
15:37 PilzAdam there is a BSD port AFAIK
15:38 VanessaE ok, so thats four OS's and the two major architectures those OS's run on.  Does MT run on ARM yet?
15:39 VanessaE wasn't someone futzing around with running MT in a Raspberry Pi?
15:40 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=24112#p24112
15:40 VanessaE yeha, the server does run on the Pi
15:40 VanessaE so we can add ARM to the list of archs
15:41 Jordach rubenwardy, the current mese system is so bad your ancestors didn't mine it
15:41 VanessaE so that's every major OS and hardware platform.
15:41 VanessaE so let's just dump vanilla Lua.  there's no logical reason to keep it.
15:41 PilzAdam its amazing how many people come here and complain about not being able to build minetest on their machine, if we cover 99.999% of the market
15:41 FreeFull I blame irrlicht
15:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: they complain because they either don't know how to compile (a legit issue with win users), or they don't follow the build instructions that show what dependencies need to be satisfied first.
15:42 VanessaE or there are bugs in MT's built scripts.
15:42 PilzAdam can someone make a diff for irrlchts and LuaJITs supported systems?
15:42 khonkhortisan I also blame irrlicht
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15:42 Jordach let's do what Red Eclipse does: and have binaries that work on BSD and Linux
15:42 khonkhortisan Loading inventory images makes the view smaller
15:43 VanessaE irrlicht runs on....
15:43 Jordach they are like win builds, but are RUN_IN_PLACE like normal
15:43 VanessaE (searching)
15:43 PilzAdam VanessaE, only the diff!
15:43 VanessaE Win, Linux, OSX, and anything that can run SDL.
15:44 VanessaE a diff?  surely you mean a common set.
15:44 rubenwardy Jordach: You are getting worse
15:44 rubenwardy LP
15:44 rubenwardy :P
15:44 Jordach rubenwardy, im out of jokes
15:45 PilzAdam ./Jordach --joke "Jorach's jokes"
15:45 Jordach Jorach's Jokes?! Who dafuq is that?
15:46 PilzAdam was that a joke or a syntax error?
15:46 PilzAdam who coded this stupid bot?!
15:46 khonkhortisan both
15:48 VanessaE PilzAdam: I'm not finding any info on what architectures irrlicht runs on
15:49 VanessaE (aside from x86 and amd64)
15:50 VanessaE but from people who have compiled MT, it looks like the cross section is:  Windows, Linux, OSX; on x86, amd64, ARM
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15:51 kaeza PilzAdam, can you test this? https://github.com/kaeza/minetest/commit/0baa0f36f8900929467149434b9586631baffc81
15:52 PilzAdam your commit is already reverted in upstream
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15:56 sapier [ANNOUNCEMENT] MOBF 2.0.80 (2.1 preview) http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629
15:57 VanessaE sapier: using the in-built pathfinding algorithms yet?
15:58 sapier no ... I don't have any use for them
15:58 VanessaE oh ok
15:58 sapier just didn't realize this until I finished the patch ;)
16:01 sapier maybe I'll add some mobs using it in future but current mobs only would require more cpu power without getting much of benefit from it
16:08 rubenwardy sapier: dogs
16:08 rubenwardy They could actually follow the player w/o teleporting or walking through the floor :P]
16:10 sapier no they couldn't as once they are to far away they get unloaded ... and no I won't add a force load entity
16:10 VanessaE bbl
16:10 sapier of course following would be better but price would be lot of cpu power ... are you willing to pay? :-)
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16:34 sfan5 "<Guest28211> what are the best linux tools to hack facebook, that is to recoverone's accont after being hacked" on #debian
16:35 sfan5 ^ wtf?!
16:36 NakedFury yeah
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16:38 ironzorg "hack facebook"
16:39 sapier question to gut experts how to take "theirs" version of s single file on a merge?
16:41 sapier ok ... I should have asked earlier just found solution
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17:05 GhostlyDeath sfan5: I know of a tool
17:05 GhostlyDeath sfan5: dd and base64
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17:15 hmmmm would you guys be interested in an ore that only occurs within sunlight?
17:15 hmmmm for example
17:15 Jordach hmmmm, SKY ORES
17:15 PilzAdam not really, no
17:15 Jordach that require aether tools
17:15 hmmmm that doesn't require sunlight, just a certain height
17:15 Jordach mese picks cant even mine it
17:17 RealBadAngel anybody wants to try minetest using system wide installation of LuaJIT?
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17:18 Jordach RealBadAngel, sure
17:19 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
17:20 RealBadAngel luajit: http://luajit.org/download.html
17:20 RealBadAngel download sources and make, make install
17:20 Kacey this got complicated really fast
17:21 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaTBzYQ/screenshot_11693924.png it makes doors and tubes
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17:24 mauvebic <PilzAdam> mauvebic, zIMG works again! <--- sweeet :-) i thought they were goners
17:25 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/3806326711
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17:35 NakedFury too many space ships not enough city stuff
17:37 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaTBzYQ/screenshot_11693924.png
17:37 Taoki Hi. Anyone know if menus can be defined in Lua (forpspec) for things other than inventories? Like to make a menu where you can type some text and click a button to issue a system command (as part of a mod)
17:38 mauvebic my wife's responsible for the city stuff :P
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17:40 mauvebic though she's putting alot of detail in each buildiong
17:40 mauvebic *building
17:40 Kacey Taoki, idk honestly
17:42 Kacey afk
17:44 kaeza Taoki, yes
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17:44 Taoki nice. Was looking for an example on how to define a formspec which can be opened with a chat command
17:44 kaeza ah
17:45 kaeza you may want to look at the /mobf_settings from MOB Framework
17:45 kaeza +command
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17:46 Taoki thanks
17:46 kaeza Taoki, here's a simpler example: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/bookex.zip
17:46 kaeza this shows the formspec on item use, but can be easily modified to be opened with a chat command
17:47 Taoki nice
17:47 Taoki thanks
17:47 kaeza np :)
17:49 mauvebic http://s2.bloggerscdn.com/media/t/12169018/12169018_t_1363657221.jpg
17:52 Jordach mauvebic, lol
17:54 mauvebic alot of uptight canadians would find that racist but since it goes both ways it cancels eachother out lol
17:56 NakedFury to hell with uptight canadians
17:56 NakedFury its a funny racist joke and I like it
17:57 NakedFury ohh and mauvebic im noticing a distinct lack of prograss in your cities. is your wife construction company on strike?
17:59 mauvebic naw but she takes longer and longer to find images of buildings she wants to make :P
17:59 mauvebic though this city is alot more strict in design than the last one
18:00 mauvebic streetgrid has to be done in advance, along with sewers and mains
18:00 mauvebic sidewalks, lampposts, trees, rules about that too
18:00 NakedFury clearly you are not paying her enough
18:00 mauvebic i did the sewers lol
18:01 mauvebic doing the ships
18:01 mauvebic canals, oceans
18:01 mauvebic and all the bloody nodebox furniture i made for the city
18:01 mauvebic lol
18:02 mauvebic today i have to expand the ocean and spawn the Lusitania and the Queen Mary
18:04 mauvebic oh and the Empress of Ireland, her great grand parents came over on it
18:04 mauvebic my ancestors can be traced back to one of the first settlers in Quebec tho
18:05 mauvebic which means my earliest french ancestors were probably skanks ("Filles du Roi")
18:05 NakedFury skanks?
18:06 mauvebic prostitutes
18:06 mauvebic to populate quebec France sent over prostitutes lol
18:06 NakedFury ohh
18:07 NakedFury that actually very intelligent strategy
18:07 mauvebic much like england sending convicts to the colonies lol
18:07 NakedFury but then they didnt think about how that would probably infect the male and female population with sex diseases
18:07 mauvebic there werent as many then
18:07 mauvebic though the ones they had weren't as treatable either then
18:08 mauvebic http://0.tqn.com/d/history1900s/1/0/B/S/wwiip205.jpg
18:09 NakedFury wow
18:09 NakedFury I have to say it. poor girl
18:09 mauvebic yeah they totally couldn't get away with that today lol
18:09 NakedFury I dont think she was the same after that poster went live
18:09 mauvebic theyd have a feminist riot lol
18:09 mauvebic they probably didn't tell her what they were using her likeness for lol
18:10 NakedFury I would totally do the posters again
18:10 NakedFury but add a male version too
18:10 ShadowNinja Kacey: What do you mean, it seems fine
18:10 mauvebic seriously in this day and age it seems to be the guys who are clueless about stds
18:11 mauvebic though a modern poster like that would probably include things like "good time girls can lead to child support obligations" lol
18:11 mauvebic that would scare them
18:12 ShadowNinja sfan5, VanessaE: you have admin access to the bot now, say !part #minetest to it in a PM if MinetestBot leaves and my bot does not automaticaly leave when it comes back
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18:14 mauvebic and does the bot ignore people who use it too many times in a row? (markv and such)
18:18 Jordach does the bot support facilities like banning useless forum members?
18:18 mauvebic how would that work? its not a moderator lol
18:19 mauvebic besides unleashing one annoying bot on the forums was quite enough ty llol
18:19 mauvebic i mean, i can get all that on hotmail lol
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18:20 Taoki Is there any way to make a button in formspec execute a lua function when clicked (and closing themenu) using fields in that menu? Note that the menu isn't opened by a node, but via a chat command
18:20 mauvebic of course
18:20 mauvebic via chat command
18:20 mauvebic hmm
18:20 mauvebic im not quite sure how you're supposed to set up receive fields in such a context
18:21 mauvebic any existing mods that do it? i think the L-trees tool jinxi wrote does it
18:21 Taoki I heard people made some that work
18:22 mauvebic see: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4976
18:22 mauvebic though that one comes up from a tool, i think the concept is more or less the same
18:22 * Jordach slaps mauvebic for using hotmail
18:22 Taoki yeah, uses a tool
18:22 mauvebic i dont anymore :P which is why i dont enjoy the presence of bots/spam
18:22 Jordach mauvebic, try gmail
18:23 mauvebic next time a bot herasses me, I'll tell IT that it can gain up to 2"
18:33 GhostlyDeath So how rare is mese in the ground?
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18:34 mauvebic well ive been excavating for an ocean and havent found any yet
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18:35 mauvebic i plan on adding dilithium crystals with more or less the same figures
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18:37 GhostlyDeath I found some mese, but someone teleported and mined it =/
18:38 mauvebic how did that happen? lol
18:38 mauvebic did you anounce it on chat?
18:40 GhostlyDeath Yes
18:40 mauvebic well, that wasn't *too* bright, you just did all the hard work for them :P
18:40 GhostlyDeath Well someone else no clipping found some, I was right near it
18:41 GhostlyDeath But I could not mine it with a stone pickaxe
18:41 mauvebic ah well, if the server has node protection, set up a mine and ask for it
18:41 mauvebic oh god, i dont know about hte rules for mining the stuff, they seem to tweak it every other week lol
18:41 mauvebic diamond pick?
18:41 GhostlyDeath I'm sure there's other mese
18:42 GhostlyDeath No sense getting all angry over a few lost blocks of mese in a game, yknow?
18:42 mauvebic not really no lol
18:42 mauvebic but some still do
18:43 GhostlyDeath They are prevelant near lava pools
18:43 GhostlyDeath When I cheated in single player, they were almost always near lava
18:43 GhostlyDeath although you cannot go into lava without getting yourself killed
18:43 mauvebic theres no such thing as cheating in a free-form voxel game :p theres only hte rules the admins come up with
18:44 khonkhortisan Yes there is
18:44 khonkhortisan modifying the client, doing things you don't have the server permission to do
18:44 mauvebic and how many do that?
18:44 mauvebic i can think of 1
18:44 khonkhortisan I'm probably thinking of the same 1
18:45 mauvebic not so much cheating as being a pain in the ass then lol
18:45 mauvebic but they let him on their servers so theyre asking for it
18:45 GhostlyDeath think i'll host a server of sorts
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19:00 * ShadowNinja found one of those hand nodes
19:02 ShadowNinja aha! it is an entity
19:04 RealBadAngel ok, improved detection and use of luajit is up: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
19:07 hmmmm http://ompldr.org/vaTB0Zg
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19:11 mauvebic lol liberal arts
19:12 mauvebic ie starbucks degrees
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19:13 GhostlyDeath I can say stuff about you, but you cannot say stuff about me
19:13 GhostlyDeath etc.
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19:15 mauvebic naw its just basically an example of no one getting it and saying stupid things about eachother
19:15 mauvebic ie, when religious people aren't allowed to discriminate, they claim religious discrimination, its all gotten quite silly
19:16 mauvebic thats why im for secular societies
19:16 mauvebic problem with religion is, because someone believes in something, it must be true, where that doesn't work is when people have different beliefs
19:17 mauvebic or let me put it another way:
19:17 mauvebic if you go around telling people you believe aliens are watching, theyll call you crazy
19:18 thexyz wow
19:18 mauvebic BUT if you go around saying theres' this big guy in the sky keeping an eye on everything, thats somehow normal
19:18 thexyz seems bootstrap can be used now
19:18 thexyz http://divshot.github.io/geo-bootstrap/\
19:18 thexyz enterprise-ready
19:18 GhostlyDeath Why would aliens want to watch us? We are just about ready to nuke ourselves
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19:18 GhostlyDeath Unless they like such things heh
19:19 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
19:19 thexyz GhostlyDeath: are we?
19:19 mauvebic doubtful
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19:19 mauvebic kim jong whatever likes the luxuries too much to have his own slavebase eliminated
19:20 Leoneof so odd, 105 chatters here, but  multiplayer ~20 users O_O
19:20 mauvebic which is exactly what would happen
19:20 mauvebic when you consider that the north's economy has gone even more downhill lately, it makes sense that he would saber-rattle for more concessions (ie $$$ )
19:20 GhostlyDeath Isn't he dead now?
19:21 PilzAdam spam? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82321#p82321
19:21 thefamilygrog66 Hey PilzAdam: I'm having some issues with your simple mobs mod in 0.4.6 - have you noticed any issues?
19:21 GhostlyDeath Leoneof: idlers infest IRC
19:21 mauvebic though im firmly of the opinion that countries should take care of their own poor before giving aid that never goes to those countries' poor
19:21 thexyz PilzAdam: no?
19:21 PilzAdam thefamilygrog66, yes, it isnt updated yet
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19:21 thefamilygrog66 cool, thanks - it isn't just me then! :)
19:21 GhostlyDeath minetest needs more excitement
19:22 Exio code it
19:22 john_minetest PilzAdam: Seems so.
19:22 GhostlyDeath including a single header will do nothing
19:22 GhostlyDeath Unless said header allows irrilicht to work on iOS
19:22 GhostlyDeath of which, irrilicht would be badly written if you needed separate headers for different platforms
19:23 mauvebic irrlicht on iOS, are you on drugs? :p
19:23 Leoneof Ogre3D?
19:24 GhostlyDeath Before I make any mods, I'd need a bridge to C
19:24 mauvebic ?
19:25 mauvebic ze api is lua?
19:25 thefamilygrog66 I tried another game yesterday called "Manic Digger" - it's fast, but doesn't come close to minetest as far as playability goes
19:26 john_minetest I tried manic digger. It is quite strange, has got a lot of strange blocks and the servers look strange.
19:26 STHGOM a proggraming language
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19:26 GhostlyDeath mauvebic: I much prefer C over Lua
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19:26 Leoneof hello mojo jojo
19:26 STHGOM i learning C++
19:27 GhostlyDeath I've known C for 12 years
19:27 Leoneof STHGOM: keep learning C++ till 2023 to master it
19:27 STHGOM ok :D
19:28 Leoneof STHGOM: or RIP comes before that ;)
19:28 thefamilygrog66 john_minetest: yes, strange blocks, and they're named when you focus on them. world generation was way too steep, and kinda sucks
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19:29 thefamilygrog66 lua is easy, my kinda learning curve
19:30 jojoa1997|Tablet sfan5 have you compiled minetest for android?
19:30 john_minetest thefamilygrog66: It isn't that bad. The version I used was not so bad in terrain generation but the servers were unmoderated and 1x1 tow3rs everywhere.
19:30 sfan5 yes, but it doesn't work, because irrlicht doesn't work correctly
19:31 jojoa1997|Tablet could i have a download of it being compiled
19:31 jojoa1997|Tablet or does compiling edit irrlicht
19:31 jojoa1997|Tablet wow that is the first time i said it right in months
19:33 GhostlyDeath How do people get screenshots of their entire world?
19:33 jojoa1997|Tablet they have a mapper program
19:33 sfan5 GhostlyDeath: minetestmapper
19:33 sfan5 the python version in the official repo is very slow, some guy on the forums made a c++ version
19:33 thefamilygrog66 john_minetest: yeah, I guess it isn't that bad. I also have a couple of versions of Lamecraft on my PSP, which almost get it right. Tough controls though.
19:33 jojoa1997|Tablet so sfan5 can you give me a download? Yes or No?
19:33 sfan5 no
19:34 NotReallyNick Is RealBadAngel on?
19:34 jojoa1997|Tablet fine i will compile it myself
19:34 jojoa1997|Tablet once i find a comiler app
19:34 sfan5 "compiler app" you're not going to find that
19:34 sfan5 you need a full linux system to compile minetest and not a stupid code app
19:35 sfan5 <GhostlyDeath> Unless said header allows irrilicht to work on iOS
19:35 sfan5 irrlicht works on iOS
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19:35 thefamilygrog66 irrlicht is almost as awkward to spell as is oerrki...
19:35 * sfan5 disagrees
19:35 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i find different irrlicht
19:36 Kacey ShadowNinja, it was using infinite blocks
19:36 john_minetest Irrlicht is easy to spell when you speak german.
19:36 thefamilygrog66 haha, there you go
19:37 RealBadAngel NotReallyNick, i am
19:37 john_minetest Yoda, i am
19:38 jojoa1997|Tablet i just found a working example of irrlicht i think
19:38 jojoa1997|Tablet http://gitorious.org/irrlichtandroid/pages/Home
19:38 jojoa1997|Tablet http://www.scigems.org/downloads/
19:38 NotReallyNick RealBadAngel: I just noticed the pulseaudio error happens in regular Minetest too. It's not what causes the segfault. SO we have no error message for that at all.
19:39 NotReallyNick *So
19:39 RealBadAngel NotReallyNick, i changed luajit code, now it looks for system wide installed luajit
19:39 NotReallyNick Okay, I don't have a system-wide instalation.
19:39 RealBadAngel so make one, easy
19:40 Doyousketch2 STHGOM I've been boning up on my C++ too.  there's a great YouTube channel for it - look up antRTFM
19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet sfan those irlicht examples worked for me
19:40 RealBadAngel http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.1.tar.gz
19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet have you tried minetest yet
19:40 Taoki Can you register a node to execute a function when you dig another node of any type?
19:40 RealBadAngel cd src, make, make install
19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet or just the examples you made
19:40 Taoki In Lua
19:40 RealBadAngel and you have it installed
19:41 RealBadAngel then game will use it
19:41 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: just the examples, I already said that
19:42 sfan5 also, I need the source code of the examples at scigems.org to be able to make it work
19:42 Leoneof thefamilygrog66: there are minetest for PSP? i want one!
19:43 jojoa1997|Tablet you mean this? http://gitorious.org/irrlichtandroid/
19:43 thefamilygrog66 Leoneof: not minetest, but there's a homebrew called lamecraft, which has a few forks with added mods
19:43 jojoa1997|Tablet also do me a favor and try to run minetest just once
19:43 Leoneof thefamilygrog66: cool, thanks
19:43 jojoa1997|Tablet cause you say you havent
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19:45 dachary Hi, I'm looking for mods and it looks like http://minetest.com/mods/ only contains a few. Am I missing the full list ?
19:46 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: yeah, but if irrlicht doesn't work in the examples, how should it work in minetest?
19:46 thefamilygrog66 Leoneof: try http://lamecraft.weebly.com/mods.html - I have s4inexcraft installed as well, and it has a few more features than the original
19:46 Leoneof thefamilygrog66: cool, it can play online?
19:46 jojoa1997|Tablet sfan please do this for me as a favor. either try it and tell me or send me a download and i will try it myself
19:47 jojoa1997|Tablet who knows your examples could be wrongly coded
19:47 thefamilygrog66 Leoneof: not that I know of - I was just looking for interesting homebrew for my pspgo, and came across it
19:47 mauvebic uh, who knew, you can remove the userlist from xchat lol
19:47 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: the examples aren't wrong!
19:48 mauvebic much easier to read lol
19:48 sfan5 minetest does it in the same way as the examples do
19:48 khonkhortisan yeah, drag right
19:49 jojoa1997|Tablet why dont you want to send me a download. it wont hurt anyone and if it doesnt work then i cant publish it. also everyone would know it was you cause i cant compile so why dont you want me to have the compiled version
19:49 thefamilygrog66 Leoneof: of course with any homebrew, you'll have to be running a modded system software (e.g. 6.20 PRO, etc.)
19:50 jojoa1997|Tablet also the examples >>could<< be wrong not >>are<< wrong
19:50 Leoneof thefamilygrog66: i'm still with 5.33 :]
19:51 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: why can't you compile? don't you have a computer with linux?
19:51 thefamilygrog66 Leoneof: nice - the pspgo shipped with 6.20, so I did what I could with it
19:51 jojoa1997|Tablet no i dont
19:51 jojoa1997|Tablet and my mom wont let me get linux
19:51 Leoneof thefamilygrog66: oh pspgo, i have psp slim ;D
19:51 jojoa1997|Tablet so i am stuck
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19:52 jojoa1997|Tablet also she wont let me get a compiler
19:52 sfan5 install linux in virtualbox
19:52 sdzen anyone remember that issue with windows clients where the inventory gets all messed up?
19:52 sdzen anyone ever fix that?
19:52 thefamilygrog66 Leoneof: they had them on clearance for $99 - couldn't resist
19:52 mauvebic understandable, your mother wants to be able to user *her* computer :p
19:52 jojoa1997|Tablet my MOM WONT LET ME!!!
19:53 mauvebic *use
19:53 sfan5 why?
19:53 mauvebic likely because if something goes wrong he wont be able to fix it
19:53 Leoneof thefamilygrog66: lucky ;)
19:53 jojoa1997|Tablet im not sure but it isnt mine until i go to college
19:53 sfan5 ..forget that, don't you have your own computer?
19:53 sapier you could have a try if all of that memory cleanup Ive done fixes the bug sdzen ... if it will be merged somewher in future
19:53 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
19:53 sfan5 mauvebic: you can't do anything wrong if you install virtualbox
19:53 jojoa1997|Tablet but she "owns" it till i go to college
19:54 mauvebic true, but there are still exploits
19:54 mauvebic how old are you?
19:54 mauvebic 10 or 12?
19:54 mauvebic (i forget)
19:54 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: what about installing a compiler on you tablet?
19:54 jojoa1997|Tablet please dont tell me to get a program or buy a new one. this is my computer and my mom controls what is on it
19:54 jojoa1997|Tablet sfan i cant remember
19:54 mauvebic i think by the time you get to college, you wont have the same computer
19:55 khonkhortisan Don't use a computer you can't install a compiler on
19:55 * sfan5 agrees 100&
19:55 mauvebic god knows my parents bought one for my sister 6 months before going off to uni, when she got there, it wasn't powerful enough lol
19:55 sfan5 *%
19:55 sdzen ahem
19:55 jojoa1997|Tablet 15:34] <sfan5> "compiler app" you're not going to find that
19:55 jojoa1997|Tablet [15:34] <sfan5> you need a full linux system to compile minetest and not a stupid code app
19:55 sdzen could you not hide the programs?
19:56 jojoa1997|Tablet she has a program that records everything on my computer
19:56 khonkhortisan wow
19:56 mauvebic smart
19:56 jojoa1997|Tablet if i could i would hide minetest
19:56 mauvebic lot of pervs on the net people
19:56 PilzAdam john_minetest, what program?
19:56 sdzen damn
19:56 PilzAdam * jojoa1997|Tablet
19:56 sdzen keep it on a flash drive?
19:57 sdzen technically not on the computer
19:57 mauvebic running off a live image shouldn't leavea trace but in ram
19:57 jojoa1997|Tablet she can tell what programs i start at what time and how many
19:57 Exio i have an idea jojoa
19:57 thefamilygrog66 can you just boot off a ubuntu disc?
19:57 sfan5 ram gets deleted once the power goes off (reboot, shutdown)
19:57 jojoa1997|Tablet it is a program that stores the info
19:57 sdzen have a live usb
19:57 jojoa1997|Tablet while you are on
19:57 sdzen no apps will appear
19:57 jojoa1997|Tablet one sec
19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet also please send me a download
19:58 sfan5 /test
19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet it would make my life soo much easier
19:58 john_minetest PilzAdam: What is this about? I am afk most of the time and only looking if I am mentioned.
19:58 PilzAdam john_minetest, was a misstype, sorry
19:58 thefamilygrog66 jojoa1997: download a ubuntu .iso file and burn it to a disc - then you can boot off of it
19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam what?
19:58 sfan5 * sfan5 changed title to: help for 12 kids with a strict mom! now in #minetest
19:58 jojoa1997|Tablet i have tried to install ubuntu and that doesnt work
19:59 sfan5 wtf brain?!
19:59 thefamilygrog66 not install - just boot
19:59 john_minetest PilzAdam: Oh, okay.
19:59 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, what program does your mother use to track what you do?
19:59 jojoa1997|Tablet also im not 12
19:59 jojoa1997|Tablet bsecure
19:59 STHGOM bbl
19:59 jojoa1997|Tablet i have looked everywhere online on how to bypass and nothing
19:59 mauvebic i wouldn't teach him how to get around it, it might be the last time we hear of him :p
19:59 thefamilygrog66 what are you looking for exactly? compiled linux minetest?
20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet compiled for android
20:00 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: compiled android minetest
20:00 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, thats only an online filter
20:00 * thefamilygrog66 didn't realise there was such a thing...
20:00 PilzAdam it doesnt record the programs you start
20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam it records my apps
20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet i have seen the list
20:00 PilzAdam it doesnt
20:00 Exio jojoa is not 12
20:00 Exio he is 9
20:00 jojoa1997|Tablet it knows when i am on gimp
20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet and then she checks my entire pc
20:01 PilzAdam yes, but not with bsecure
20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet and i stress that she will find one of my backups and look for other
20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet gahhhhh
20:01 sfan5 encrypt them
20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet if i encrypt will it show up on pc?
20:01 mauvebic being 9, his mother prolly knows better than the people here :p
20:02 jojoa1997|Tablet im in highschool
20:02 thefamilygrog66 I still say just run a ubuntu boot disc
20:02 sfan5 suurreeee...
20:02 sdzen yeah
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20:02 sdzen so long as it isnt locked somehow
20:02 thefamilygrog66 put the disc in, reboot and hit F12 before the windows screen
20:02 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, yea, run a live system
20:02 sdzen not off disc
20:02 jojoa1997|Tablet it messed up my computer
20:02 sdzen discs are terrible :)
20:02 thefamilygrog66 it'll work for what he's trying to do tho
20:02 jojoa1997|Tablet i was lucky i got it started again
20:03 khonkhortisan Can she see this conversation?
20:03 sfan5 <jojoa1997|Tablet> it messed up my computer
20:03 sfan5 a live cd
20:03 thefamilygrog66 ^ that
20:03 sfan5 then you must be doing something wrong
20:03 sdzen yes
20:03 sdzen a live cd
20:03 sdzen does not touch the partition windows is on
20:03 jojoa1997|Tablet i downloaded and decompressed onto a cd
20:04 sdzen unless you want it to :)
20:04 thefamilygrog66 maybe he changed the bios boot settings, instead of just temporarily booting off cd
20:04 dachary Hi, I'm trying to add a link to http://wiki.minetest.com/index.php?title=Mods&amp;action=submit and it keeps asking me to select the cats ( which I do ) . What's the issue ?
20:04 jojoa1997|Tablet also my mom cant see this conversation unless she looks in logs
20:04 PilzAdam dachary, the captcha is broken
20:04 jojoa1997|Tablet luckily i know more on android then she does
20:04 dachary PilzAdam: so no edit possible ?
20:04 dachary I wanted to add * [http://mesecons.net/ It's the counterpart of redstone in Minecraft]
20:06 jojoa1997|Tablet i want to make this clear
20:06 jojoa1997|Tablet i am not installing ubuntu
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20:07 sdzen and you wouldn't
20:07 dachary is there a way to add mods to an existing game ?
20:07 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, you can run ubuntu as a live system from a cd or usb stick
20:07 dachary s/game/world/
20:07 thefamilygrog66 the thing is, a live cd just runs temporarily - it doesn't install anything
20:07 sdzen without adding any files to the computer
20:07 PilzAdam dachary, sure
20:07 sdzen a live usb can install things
20:07 jojoa1997|Tablet I AM NOT DOING THIS
20:07 sdzen if done right
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet NO UBUNTU
20:08 GhostlyDeath I found myself unable to craft
20:08 PilzAdam kubuntu?
20:08 GhostlyDeath turns out invisible moss was in my craft box
20:08 thefamilygrog66 mint?
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet if my mom finds out then no computer and then i am screwed with school
20:08 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: do you know what "understanding" is?
20:08 sdzen technically you would do nothing to the computer
20:09 GhostlyDeath You can put Linux on a USB flash frive
20:09 sdzen so there is no need for her to be upset
20:09 GhostlyDeath drive*
20:09 GhostlyDeath and run root from it
20:09 GhostlyDeath simple
20:09 jojoa1997|Tablet guys stop
20:09 sdzen okay tell us whats wrong with this idea
20:09 Exio jojoa, do you have root in your tablet?
20:09 dachary PilzAdam: good to know :-) Is there a URL somewhere explaining how ? Or should a new mod installed be immediately available to all existing worlds, even those created before the addition of the mods ?
20:10 jojoa1997|Tablet this isnt will the computer break thing it is me installing not only a program but also an OS
20:10 Exio if yes, install a kernel what supports swap, enable one
20:10 Exio let me say something jojoa1997|Tablet
20:10 PilzAdam dachary, the mods are added to all worlds
20:10 sdzen but you wouldnt be installing it
20:10 Exio YOU WILL NOT INSTALL ANYTHING IN YOUR COMPUTER WITH A LIVECD/USB
20:10 mauvebic please, with the caps
20:10 PilzAdam dachary, you can disable them in the "Configure" menu for worlds
20:10 dachary PilzAdam: thanks. That's probably my bad then. Checking again.
20:10 sdzen it stays in the usb
20:10 Hwkiller Why are we arguing bout livecd's right now?
20:11 sdzen nothing on the computer will be installed or deleted
20:11 sdzen because yes
20:11 PilzAdam Hwkiller, just for the lulz
20:11 jojoa1997|Tablet my mom says no so there is no way i can/will ever do it
20:11 jojoa1997|Tablet until she gives me the computer
20:12 sfan5 if you have an usb port in your tablet, you could install ubuntu on the usb drive from the tablet
20:12 sdzen you asked her if you could run it off a usb stick?
20:12 Hwkiller I think we're missing the point...
20:12 sdzen and she said no?
20:12 NotReallyNick New plan: We all pitch in and buy jojoa1997|Tablet a new Ubuntu laptop.
20:12 sdzen I think he is missing the reckless abandon that comes with being a teenager
20:12 Exio no
20:12 Hwkiller It's not which option "makes sense" it's "which makes sense to her", and if none of those optoins make sense to her, then it's a no-go. period.
20:13 Hwkiller why not just install a VM?
20:13 PilzAdam NotReallyNick, and then give it PilzAdam because jojoa1997|Tablet's mom doesnt allow it :-)
20:13 Hwkiller or just leave him be
20:13 NotReallyNick PilzAdam: Noted. Will your mother allow it?
20:13 khonkhortisan Your mom is looking for you to do something wrong. Write an app that does nothing that has a bad name, then install it. See how she reacts.
20:13 PilzAdam NotReallyNick, she doesnt need to
20:13 jojoa1997|Tablet guys
20:14 mauvebic brilliant
20:14 mauvebic </sarcasm>
20:14 jojoa1997|Tablet my mom is more computer literate than me so stop pushing
20:14 khonkhortisan oh, well that's different then.
20:15 mauvebic not to mention, she owns it, and going against the owners' wishes is never wise
20:15 mauvebic like people installing linux behind people's backs because "its better"
20:15 mauvebic one surefire way to never be asked for support again
20:16 NotReallyNick PilzAdam: True. My mother doesn't approve of my Ubuntu laptop either. She pretty much disapproves of anything non-Windows-based. Ironically, she's the only one in the house that's willing to go anywhere near Windows. The rest of us all use something else.
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20:17 NakedFury :D NotReallyNick your mother is amazing then
20:17 NotReallyNick NakedFury: Amazing hoW
20:17 PilzAdam bye
20:17 NotReallyNick ?
20:17 NotReallyNick Bye.
20:17 NakedFury bye
20:17 khonkhortisan Reboot installing is reason enough to stay away
20:18 NotReallyNick Amazing how?
20:18 Hwkiller apparently NakedFury is a windows fan :p
20:18 NakedFury :D
20:18 NakedFury thats what I use
20:18 Hwkiller you poor soul
20:18 mauvebic nothing wrong with that
20:18 NakedFury I play too much and all the architecture programs I need are windows or mac
20:19 NakedFury and I dont like macs
20:19 mauvebic hate to break it to you, but arch is the last bridge for me, if that starts sucking, ill seriously consider win7 lol
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20:19 NakedFury yay! a convert
20:19 mauvebic no not a convert lol
20:19 mauvebic ive just been through all the linux phases and im at the last one
20:20 GhostlyDeath Running the mobs mod
20:20 Hwkiller nobody "converts" to windows
20:20 GhostlyDeath And it seems nothing can hurt each other
20:20 NakedFury but I have a linux ubuntu and xubuntu something on my laptop
20:20 Hwkiller lol
20:20 GhostlyDeath damage is on
20:20 mauvebic exasparation with constant breakage,changing of standards, etc.
20:20 NakedFury you wont face that on windows mauvebic
20:20 mauvebic naw but id have to deal with malware instead
20:20 Hwkiller GhostlyDeath: yeah I had that issue too
20:20 mauvebic so its a question of tradeoffs: do i want to deal with malware, or shitty graphics and sound?
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20:21 NotReallyNick NakedFury: That's because Windows doesn't implement standards.
20:21 dachary Where can I find a list of the chat commands ? ( /mods etc. ) ?
20:21 Hwkiller linux has a far better cost:benefit ratio than windows does for me
20:21 Hwkiller dachary: /help ?
20:21 dachary :-D
20:21 VanessaE hi all.
20:21 dachary of course...
20:21 NotReallyNick /help all
20:21 mauvebic only if your time is worth nothing $
20:21 NotReallyNick Hey, VanessaE!
20:21 VanessaE mauvebic: only if your WORK TIME is worth nothing.
20:22 mauvebic depends how much free time you have too
20:22 VanessaE never confuse "all spare time" with "time I could spend working to make money"
20:22 Exio [17:19:27] <mauvebic> hate to break it to you, but arch is the last bridge for me, if that starts sucking, ill seriously consider win7 lol
20:22 jordan4ibanez Mapgen v7 :D
20:22 mauvebic do i really enjoy wasting weekends debugging a shitty update? no lol
20:22 Exio wtf
20:22 jordan4ibanez Is there a latest build for today?
20:22 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: not yet.
20:22 Exio arch and not sucking
20:22 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: that's not a complete commit
20:22 Hwkiller mauvebic: I can get up and running linux far quicker than I do windows, and I spend far less time having to tweak and install on linux... so I save time on linux
20:22 mauvebic arch does it better than the other major dists
20:22 dachary there does not seem to be a way to figure out my altitude, is there ?
20:22 * sfan5 has a pretty recent win32 build of minetest
20:23 GhostlyDeath Seems mobs just do no damage at all
20:23 mauvebic mainly because they dont patch the bejesus out of everything
20:23 jordan4ibanez How is it not a complete commit?
20:23 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: the v7 code was committed so that some other work could get done without conflicts with the v7 code.   So the v7 code is disabled by default.
20:23 mauvebic vanilla packages work as intended
20:23 mauvebic on ubuntu, you always have to find ubuntu-specific instructions
20:23 jordan4ibanez Well can you enable it?
20:23 Exio mauvebic: arch is ok if you want the lastest package
20:23 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: afaict yes, but you have to make a couple of minor tweaks to the source code I think
20:24 Exio mauvebic: what will not work in half of the systems with your other packages
20:24 mauvebic Exio i rarely update when i have a working setup
20:24 VanessaE I am not aware of the exact details though
20:24 jordan4ibanez sfan5 can you try to make a build with mapgen v7?
20:24 Exio mauvebic: > arch > don't update
20:24 VanessaE and v7 is still considered to be incomplete - it doesn't even add trees yet.
20:24 mauvebic you think updates are smoother in ubuntu? lol
20:24 sfan5 i have the most recent commit (i think)
20:24 Exio gentoo, debian
20:24 Exio gentoo, the "lastest working system - rolling release"
20:25 Exio debian, the thing what you are sure will work
20:25 Hwkiller meh, debian is old and crusty. gentoo... I Just don't have time for that
20:25 Hwkiller that actually does require time.
20:25 sapier debian is stable ;-P
20:25 mauvebic one package being update depends on another thats been replace or another but a different version, ive had 'buntus break just as much if not more
20:25 Exio arch has the lastest packages, with their bugs and incompatibilities
20:25 GhostlyDeath Seems the default and fire mods are not found
20:25 mauvebic well its not the buntu devs who are more competent at fixing said bugs
20:25 Hwkiller I've had far more bugs/incompatibilities in non-arch distros
20:26 Exio and arch devs sucks at having a working system
20:26 mauvebic they just remove it
20:26 Hwkiller mainly because they want to patch shit
20:26 Exio what the hell
20:26 Exio do you even think having vanilla stuff i the most-cool-thing ever?
20:26 Hwkiller I have a number of arch systems, all which are working 100%
20:26 Exio arch is like a chainsaw
20:26 mauvebic the most functional thing ever, yes
20:26 Exio it will not hurt you until you don't have legs and arms
20:26 Hwkiller Exio: they are patching, not committing upstream, and expecting it to work as well as it would if the ACTUAL DEVS worked on it
20:27 mauvebic cuz you see, i can go the devs' website, follow his/her documentation, and by god, it works!
20:27 mauvebic buntu you have to cross your fingers that someone wrote a FAQ for ubuntu for said package
20:27 mauvebic and the thread is usually a year old and out of date
20:27 Exio well, if you don't know how to manage a system it is not a distro problem, that is right
20:27 mauvebic and with fewer users now, its probably worse then when i ditched 'em
20:27 Exio if you suck at understanding pages, it is your problem, not mine
20:28 Hwkiller oh please
20:28 mauvebic lol
20:28 mauvebic how long you been using linux?
20:28 Hwkiller "lets debunk he argument by attacking their abilities, no matter how irrelevant"
20:28 Exio 5~6 years by now
20:28 mauvebic 8
20:28 GhostlyDeath I use Debian, and my systems have never had any problems ever
20:28 Exio (using really, not using as random dual-boot user)
20:28 mauvebic more if you include mandrake
20:28 Hwkiller I use arch and I came across ONE hiccup, and that's because I didn't read the newspage
20:28 GhostlyDeath I started Linux in 2k5
20:28 Hwkiller it was fixed in ~10 minutes
20:29 GhostlyDeath Now all my systems run Debian
20:29 GhostlyDeath laptops, desktops, embedded
20:29 VanessaE I have occasional problems on my box, but perhaps no worse than anyone else has
20:29 GhostlyDeath For me, everything just works
20:29 NotReallyNick I have problems when running Debian, but no issues when running Ubuntu.
20:29 Exio "Only packages in the [core] repo are required to go through [testing] first.  Anything else can be moved straight to the main repos."
20:29 Exio Allan said that
20:30 Hwkiller there is also community-testing
20:30 Hwkiller and that says "required"
20:30 Exio i want a working system, not a system with the lastest-package-what-works-half-of-the-time-with-my-config
20:30 GhostlyDeath I use Debian with a self built kernel though
20:30 Hwkiller not that they don't also go into testing
20:30 mauvebic sucks to be you if you need your OS to coddle you, and you have to go begging to them to fix shit, i go straight to the devs that wrote the package
20:30 Taoki Is there a function to get the position of a node? I searched but can't find it anywhere...
20:30 GhostlyDeath Right now I run 3.8.4
20:30 Exio Hwkiller: archlinux because "zomg, we need to upgrade faster"
20:30 Exio got killed the poor performance of my laptop, over 10 times
20:30 Hwkiller GhostlyDeath: I have a few compiled kernels as well :p
20:30 Exio and because they "didn't patch" like other distros did, or being 1337 with the updates, i had to. 1)
20:31 Hwkiller vanilla, -ck, static...
20:31 GhostlyDeath I mass upgraded 10 systems at once to 3.8.4
20:31 Exio recompile the whole X11, MESA and shit, or just have 1/25 of the performance
20:31 mauvebic lol you're assuming arch users are like you
20:31 GhostlyDeath I just use one single extra patch, which is aufs
20:31 mauvebic we only need the latest packages of the things we use, we dont update the system every 3 days
20:31 Exio or wait, use a bunch of -git packages in aur
20:31 Hwkiller Exio: sounds like you suck at arch linux, tbh
20:31 Hwkiller lol
20:31 mauvebic seriously lol
20:31 GhostlyDeath Since I use squashfs+aufs for a compressed /usr
20:31 Hwkiller seriously, I'm in the support channels all the time without hearing any of these supposed problems
20:31 GhostlyDeath saves me tons of disk space
20:31 Taoki Anyone know how to get the position of a node in Lua please?
20:31 Exio mauvebic: i update the system every week / every 2 weeks
20:32 Hwkiller usually it's people who screw their system up by using pacman -Syuf
20:32 mauvebic force flag lol
20:32 GhostlyDeath For package management, I just use aptitude
20:32 GhostlyDeath allows for easy searching, etc, along with debian.org
20:32 Exio emerge > pacman > apt
20:32 Exio in terms of features and usefulness
20:32 mauvebic most of the buntu' users here report minetest gobbling up GIGs of ram
20:32 Hwkiller emerge = "I enjoy compiling fucking everything"
20:32 Hwkiller which is asinine for 95% of users
20:32 mauvebic i run 210mb and people say my mods are heavy
20:32 khonkhortisan All I get is a gray pacman game
20:32 GhostlyDeath mauvebic: Probably just commit
20:33 GhostlyDeath mauvebic: i.e., how much minetest grabs in VM space
20:33 GhostlyDeath not actual usage
20:33 Exio emerge = "I enjoy having a system like how i want without some assholes with the lastest fucking package what works in half of the systems"
20:33 Exio i wasn't the only who had those problems, and most arch devs are bitches when stability "comes" to the stuff
20:33 Hwkiller Exio: except you're literally WRONG on that; obviously it works on more than half of the systems, since MOST people seem to have a solid installation without issues
20:33 Exio arch works, as windows 7 works in the other computer
20:33 mauvebic sounds like you were butthurt by not being able to fix shit you hastely updated
20:34 Exio common arch-luser, "the problem is you"
20:34 GhostlyDeath steven    3003 93.4  2.7 184280 85028 ?        SLl  16:33   0:43 minetest
20:34 mauvebic it usually is if you went from working OS to broken OS
20:34 mauvebic we cant beam special failure rays at your OS
20:34 Hwkiller if nearly everyone's arch installation works, and the packages are fine... what does that tell you?
20:34 Exio who said they are fine?
20:34 mauvebic you need physical access to a computer to fail lol
20:35 Exio well mauvebic and Hwkiller
20:35 GhostlyDeath mauvebic: Who has physical access?
20:35 Exio if you somewhen stop being l33t and want a working system, tell me
20:35 GhostlyDeath IRC is in another room
20:35 GhostlyDeath minetest server is 5 feet away
20:35 Exio arch is good and awesome for testing
20:35 Hwkiller Exio: IF so many people had issues with it, we'd see far more users seeking support on the forums and in the irc; we don't realistically see that many
20:35 GhostlyDeath and I am on my bed relaxing heheh
20:35 sdzen the guy with the hammer and a screwdriver has physical access
20:35 GhostlyDeath Does the axe even do anything?
20:36 Exio Hwkiller: the bugs gets fixed with an AUR package
20:36 GhostlyDeath Wooden axe, stone axe, cutting down trees is all the same speed
20:36 mauvebic leet lol
20:36 Exio every bug in arch's main repository gets fixed with -git packages, as archlinux works
20:36 mauvebic im not the one pushing people to install linux behind people's backs
20:36 Hwkiller Exio: This seems like why your system broke, tbh
20:36 mauvebic i tell people to use whats comfortable for them, but dont tell me arch is worse than ubuntu lol
20:36 Hwkiller if you had that many aur packages, all -git...
20:36 Hwkiller why not just ues the ABS?
20:36 GhostlyDeath Usually in Debian
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20:36 GhostlyDeath If you install packages from another distro, things break
20:36 Exio Hwkiller: tbh i would like to do that, but i wanted to keep my system without aur packages
20:36 Hwkiller that's the point of the ABS... if you need to recompile with a certain switch, you don't use the aur. you use abs, make the change in version or switch
20:37 GhostlyDeath Or if you install stuff in the next release on your old system
20:37 GhostlyDeath Because of differences in how things are handled
20:37 sdzen ubuntu gives me worse issues then arch
20:37 GhostlyDeath Debian is out of date though, but it is pretty stable
20:37 mauvebic if he feels im leet its only cuz i can fix shit without begging the dist-devs
20:37 sapier "best" distribution always depends on what you're using it for ;-)
20:37 sdzen especially updating from their silly named versions to another, such as precise to quantal or whatever
20:38 sdzen that always goes wrong with me
20:38 GhostlyDeath Debian is easy, because
20:38 Exio sapier: yep, and there are some distros what don't work outside a 1337 mind
20:38 GhostlyDeath I really don't want to manually compile tons of software
20:38 GhostlyDeath on 20 different systems
20:38 sapier I'm glad debian is a little bit out of date for example as any current distribution messed up multiscreen
20:38 sapier multiscreen as of n > 2
20:39 mauvebic and if it werent for arch rolling out packages sooner - half the bugs wouldn't be fixed by the time it got to the masses of the other dists lol
20:39 sdzen true
20:39 mauvebic something to think about
20:39 Exio mauvebic: "cuz i can fix stuff what is broke because the devs are bitches and can't try if what they upload to the main repository is a plain shit for 99% of the programs, what nicely the solution is compile the stuff what they should have done with other flags for having the proper system and when you do that you are losting the magic-and-col-thing-of-archlinux)
20:39 Exio cool* "* ftfy*
20:39 mauvebic if that were a paper, you'd fail
20:40 mauvebic if youre gonna quote people , do it properly like any grade 5 student
20:40 Exio archlinux has 100 news bugs for 50 they get fixed
20:40 GhostlyDeath In general, software is written like garbage
20:40 Hwkiller Exio: what are these 99% of programs that break for you?
20:40 GhostlyDeath The reason bugs exist is because people are idiots, lazy, etc.
20:40 Hwkiller seriously, I've had like ONE breakage
20:40 Hwkiller two if you count the upgrade to a new version of ruby that borked a weechat script of mine
20:41 sdzen 2 broken here, both really insignificant, (and they were AUR packages so it kinda doesn't count)
20:42 GhostlyDeath I've never had any breakages really
20:42 rarkenin|Away How much network overhead is there with Minetest? Could packets be packaged together to save bandwidth?
20:42 GhostlyDeath Except when foolish things were done
20:42 Exio Hwkiller: most of them were 3d programs what didn't work because the lastest version of mesa+xorg wasn't "properly" working in my intel gma (yes, a netbook), and outside that, when it got fixed, the programs randomly crashed, and other small packages what stopped working but i don't care about them
20:42 Exio programs what use 3d accel*
20:42 mauvebic netbooks + linux = fail 90% of the time
20:43 Hwkiller hm... I also have a netbook with intel gma, and it has not seen a single breakage
20:43 Hwkiller in ~3 years of use
20:43 Exio it wasn't a "breakage"
20:43 Exio was a VERY POOR performance
20:43 mauvebic and again, arch gives me the least hassle on the netbook
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20:43 Exio it is normally only poor
20:44 sapier netbooks aren't quite a good example as hardware of those is very similar compared to variaty used to be there for desktops and laptops
20:44 mauvebic any kind of integrated graphics is a bad example lol
20:44 Exio sapier: in debian (liveUSB with fretsonfire, assaultcube, etc)
20:44 Exio playable
20:44 Exio in archlinux, glxgears had <30 FPS
20:44 Exio you can imagine in games
20:44 mauvebic minetest on arch: 60FPS/210MB ram
20:45 Exio what hardware?
20:45 GhostlyDeath What is the screwdiver mod?
20:45 mauvebic 3gigs of ram, ATI RadeonHD
20:45 GhostlyDeath glxgears is NOT a benchmark
20:45 Exio "ati radeonhd"
20:45 mauvebic some people do much worse with over 12 gigs of ram and a debian based dist
20:45 GhostlyDeath It is just to see if your stuff works
20:45 Taoki Uh... why is it that using on_place and on_dig causes nodes to be impossible to place and dig?
20:45 Taoki Is this a bug?
20:45 mauvebic and they have better graphics cards than i do
20:46 Exio GhostlyDeath: I know, but it is pretty simple and "is perfect for checking if stuff is really properly working"
20:46 Hwkiller I'll test minetest on my netbook
20:46 Hwkiller after updating... so hang on
20:46 Exio mauvebic: i have more than 60 FPS here with debian, 4gb of ram, nvidia gt 610
20:46 mauvebic i should update the netbook too lol its got one the 0.4.0 minetests
20:46 Exio now say your model of gpu
20:46 Exio radeonHD is like saying "i have a computer"
20:46 Exio there a damn lot of them around
20:46 mauvebic how should i know the precise model? its not a measure of manhood for me lol
20:47 mauvebic i bought the tower a year ago
20:47 Exio lspci | grep -i vga
20:47 Hwkiller lspci
20:47 GhostlyDeath minetest server is running on my Atom server
20:47 GhostlyDeath runs well
20:47 mauvebic 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 9642
20:47 GhostlyDeath except when canyon runs, things are slow there
20:48 Exio what cpu mauvebic?
20:48 mauvebic i bought the cheapest tower on the shelves a year ago and i can still get max performance from minetest while watching a bluray mov
20:48 mauvebic how do i get that from lspic/
20:48 Hwkiller lspci | grep -i vga
20:49 Exio cat /proc/cpuinfo
20:49 Hwkiller oh woops, I'm behind
20:49 mauvebic (the fact that i dont know how to get this info just demonstrates how often i run into problems)
20:49 Exio the fact that you don't know how to get info shows you how much you want to use the computer
20:50 mauvebic processor: 1
20:50 mauvebic vendor_id: AuthenticAMD
20:50 mauvebic cpu family: 18
20:50 mauvebic model: 1
20:50 mauvebic model name: AMD E2-3200 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics
20:50 GhostlyDeath model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D2700   @ 2.13GHz
20:50 Exio ah, an APU
20:50 GhostlyDeath Beat that
20:50 sapier quite fast ;)
20:50 Exio model name: AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor
20:50 Hwkiller http://pastie.org/private/hhnfwinesxm4txf5gmog5g <-- my netbook's stuff
20:50 sapier the amd one ;)
20:50 Kacey !up menche.servegame.com
20:50 MinetestBot menche.servegame.com:30000 is up (1.458ms)
20:50 Exio model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           L5520  @ 2.27GHz
20:51 Exio i should start my old amd-duron :P
20:51 mauvebic say what you will, if you know all this lspci crap by heart then youve likely been asked more than once to produce it lol
20:51 Hwkiller oh. hmm... and I have to compile minetest-git on the netbook
20:51 Hwkiller lol
20:51 Hwkiller it'll take a bit
20:51 * Hwkiller doesn't feel like setting up a cross-compiler
20:51 Exio mauvebic: it is called "knowing what hardware you have"
20:51 Exio i had to know what hardware i bought when buying this computer
20:51 mauvebic why? a computer is a tool, not a classic car
20:51 Exio and i had to know what hardware i had in the netbook for being able to optimize the stuff, a bit more
20:52 mauvebic optimize implies the performance was crap to begin with
20:52 dachary has anyone thought of creating a massively multiplayer version of a minetest server ?
20:52 Exio mauvebic: i'm not rich, i don't want to pay 1000 USD for something what costs 500 USD and performs worse than my phone
20:52 Exio mauvebic: in the netbook
20:52 NakedFury dachary we need a massive amount of players first
20:52 GhostlyDeath What is with me spawning in the air?
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20:52 GhostlyDeath I fall down some and lose some life
20:52 mauvebic i paid 290$ for the last tower
20:52 Exio i still didn't install gentoo here :P
20:52 mauvebic 150 for the netbook before that
20:52 Exio where do you live?
20:52 mauvebic canada
20:53 Exio ah, you have nice prices
20:53 GhostlyDeath and there is snow in the middle of a desert
20:53 mauvebic for computers, not cars lol
20:53 Exio here the stuff is.. expensive :)
20:53 mauvebic USD = CDN about the same, cars cost alot more here
20:53 Exio and ARS is like 3/10 of USD
20:53 mauvebic and our taxes are way higher than in the US
20:54 Kacey i cannot connect to Menche's server
20:54 mauvebic so we get double-screwed on some items
20:54 Exio and we have high taxes + high inflation
20:54 Doyousketch2 dachary, the idea's been bounced about, and it's 'prolly being worked toward, but we need to get the performance up first before we scale it up
20:54 mauvebic taxes = expenditure, inflation = economic mismanagement
20:54 Exio corruption you mean
20:54 mauvebic that too
20:55 mauvebic but its not proper to comment on that for other countries, just my own :p
20:55 dachary NakedFury: :-D the server could be designed to scale out. Using an object store ( S3 / swift ) would be a first step.
20:55 Exio well, argentina is nice in that stuff
20:55 mauvebic hell, so far this year a dozen mayors and execs were arrested in QC
20:55 Hwkiller eek, I need to update lots of things
20:56 dachary Doyousketch2: the world being naturally clustered, where are the bottlenecks ? One can always limit the number of players within a culled area.
20:56 GhostlyDeath Great
20:56 GhostlyDeath I fell into a gigantic cobble stone hole
20:56 mauvebic the mafia owns construction in quebec, so obivously our roads are full of holes, our overpasses fall and kill people, buildings crumble and kill people
20:56 Exio my gpu should be like 1/4~1/5 "better" than yours mauvebic, can you disable vsync a bit?
20:56 GhostlyDeath and there is no way to escape
20:56 GhostlyDeath Is there a way to commit suicide?
20:56 mauvebic that i cant do, vlc has tearing
20:56 Doyousketch2 I suppose, but there seems to be lag, especially during map generation
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20:56 Exio (a bit)
20:56 Kacey maybe menche's server is froze up...
20:56 Kacey !up menche.servegame.com
20:56 MinetestBot menche.servegame.com:30000 is up (0.429ms)
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20:57 Exio i want to know a bit more your frametime
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20:57 mauvebic and VLC would rather blame linux, the graphics drivers, etc. before lifting a finger lol
20:57 Doyousketch2 if we could maybe distribute the server load to the players, that might help
20:57 NakedFury hey mauvebic saw this and thought of you: http://pixel.redditmedia.com/click?id=t3_1brjnm-t8_iyvn&amp;hash=48e8f686acd68e456b8a3f47bf1a1437dc83a486&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clearlycontacts.ca%2Ffirstpairfree%3Fcmp%3Dsocial%26src%3Dreddit%26seg%3Dfpf05042013
20:57 Doyousketch2 I've been looking into distributed OS's to see if there's a solution that way
20:58 GhostlyDeath /giveme bucket_lava
20:58 GhostlyDeath die in lava
20:58 mauvebic NakedFury: Vorbotten
20:58 GhostlyDeath a flying rat, well
20:58 mauvebic *verboten
20:58 mauvebic why is it in german?
20:59 Exio mauvebic: mplayer[2] wfm
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20:59 mauvebic bash: mplayer[2]: command not found
20:59 Exio (mplayer and mplayer2)
20:59 mauvebic oh lol
21:00 Exio do i need to explain regexs now?
21:00 mauvebic i learned perl regex, which dont be the same as what is used now
21:00 mauvebic *dont seem
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21:01 Doyousketch2 was looking into using some sort of regex solution for a language filter
21:01 Exio mauvebic: mplayer(|2)
21:01 Exio now?
21:02 Hwkiller eek yeah, this minetest build is going to be painful on an atom
21:02 mauvebic says syntax error
21:02 Hwkiller oh well; i've compiled kernels on that poor thing
21:02 mauvebic might have better luck with catalyst control
21:03 Doyousketch2 it should build alright if you have a decent OS on the atom
21:03 Hwkiller Doyousketch2: it'll build fine; it's the speed that will be depressing
21:04 dachary how can I run the tests found at minetest/src/test.cpp ?
21:04 Hwkiller going from compiling from an i5 to an atom = sad
21:04 Doyousketch2 oh, lol.  yeah  I get the same slowdown when compiling on this old P4 sitting beside me
21:05 Doyousketch2 I built it on there so my kid could play too
21:06 mauvebic well im gonna try something out today: setting up a server on the netbook
21:06 Doyousketch2 public?
21:08 mauvebic yep
21:09 GhostlyDeath What is with the floating apples?
21:09 STHGOM when you cut down trees?
21:10 GhostlyDeath yes
21:11 STHGOM the wood is gone, the leaves decay and leave the apples
21:12 GhostlyDeath Shouldn't the apples fall to the ground?
21:13 STHGOM yes but in minetest thew made it that way, someone could make a mod for that
21:13 STHGOM they*
21:13 Hwkiller do trees grow back at all?
21:13 mauvebic not on their own i think
21:14 Hwkiller oh my
21:14 Hwkiller I think my server is bugged... trees are growing insanely high
21:14 mauvebic unless you write an abm to spawn more trees near trees, as forests often do
21:14 mauvebic what kind of trees?
21:14 Hwkiller they have flowers all over them
21:14 mauvebic dont know that one
21:15 Hwkiller actually, so is my papyrus
21:15 Hwkiller something is wrong
21:15 Hwkiller lemme get a screenshot
21:15 mauvebic what kind of nature mods you got running?
21:16 Hwkiller animals, bushes, farming, farmingp, flowers, food, irontrees, nature, vines
21:16 Hwkiller I think many came from just a "nature" pack
21:16 mauvebic could be a conflict between the various nature mods
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21:17 Hwkiller well, I'm only running one "nature" mod; most of those came from the same place
21:17 Hwkiller animals came from mobs; farming/farmingp are separate
21:17 Hwkiller food is separate
21:17 mauvebic youd have to look through each of the inits and see which ones do things to trees
21:17 jojoa1997|Tablet can ubuntu run windows stuff
21:18 mauvebic with wine and a bit of luck
21:19 Doyousketch2 you can run all windows stuff in a VirtualBox
21:19 jojoa1997|Tablet ok is there a way i could run windows with a live usb thingy
21:20 mauvebic though with half the ram (or wherever you set the memory allocation)
21:20 Doyousketch2 yeah, I'd recommend Debian Wheezy
21:20 mauvebic why would you want to run windows stuff on a liveimage?
21:20 mauvebic liveimages are already slower than local OS
21:20 Hwkiller http://i.imgur.com/awoE9vX.png
21:21 mauvebic yeah you need to remove whatever mod makes those things grow lol
21:21 Hwkiller not sure wtf it'd be...
21:21 mauvebic try nature first and fresh map
21:22 mauvebic that happens btw when a mod grabs the top of a tree, and adds another of the same node, which causes feedback (adding on top of that, and again, and again)
21:22 jojoa1997|Tablet ok i decided on ubuntu
21:22 Hwkiller here is the output of "grep -r tree ./*", where ./* is my mods directory
21:22 Hwkiller http://pastie.org/private/msyshhuswtwxt4o4u5a1ra
21:22 jojoa1997|Tablet i want to run from usb
21:23 jojoa1997|Tablet do i decrompress the stuff
21:23 jojoa1997|Tablet the iso file
21:23 Doyousketch2 Ubuntu is just Debian Wheezy with a skin mod
21:23 Hwkiller oh wait... "tree_growth.lua" ?
21:23 mauvebic likely culprit: ./nature/init.lua:dofile(minetest.get_modpath("nature") .. "/tree_growth.lua")
21:23 ShadowNinja jojoa1997|Tablet: no, you write it to a disk or flash drive
21:24 ShadowNinja I would recomend unetbootin
21:24 Hwkiller hm..
21:24 Exio lili in windows
21:24 Exio on*
21:24 Hwkiller well, I'm actually ok w/ the tree growth, even if they are ridiculously tall
21:24 Hwkiller just means more wood
21:24 Doyousketch2 yeah, UNetbootin
21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet i am using ubuntu
21:24 mauvebic yeah though its not intended behaviour :p
21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet what do you mean write
21:24 Hwkiller lol no, there should be a max
21:25 Hwkiller and papyrus growing to be the size of the sears tower is a little odd
21:25 jojoa1997|Tablet as in i just paste the iso on the usb?
21:25 Hwkiller no
21:25 jojoa1997|Tablet the max for default is 4
21:25 Hwkiller you need to "burn" it to the usb
21:25 jojoa1997|Tablet ?.?
21:25 mauvebic just pasting the ISO wont make the disc/key bootable
21:25 Hwkiller it does nothing bad to the usb
21:25 Doyousketch2 http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/next+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-wheezy-live-rc1-i386-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso
21:26 Hwkiller it's just that you need to copy the drive image to the drive; copying the encapsulated image does nothing
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet i am downloading a file what do i do with that
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet put it on the usb?
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet or decompress and do something?
21:26 mauvebic ubuntu should have clear instructions on how to make a bootable media
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet or something different?
21:26 Doyousketch2 you need UNetbootin to install the image to your USB
21:26 Hwkiller or some other isoburner/recorder
21:26 emptty jojoa1997|Tablet: what about asking google? It would point you to http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
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21:32 mauvebic lol taking forever for the ocean to fill the excavated areas - not looking forward to making natural looking seabed lol
21:33 mauvebic thats one thing i wish the flat maps had: water at the same level as everything else
21:34 mauvebic or maybe just a water flag for mgparams
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21:36 Doyousketch2 trying to build a downloadable .iso of DebianCluster that includes minetest on it so people can Live boot supercomputers up in here
21:36 Doyousketch2 might take a day or two to figure out, so I need more coffee in my brain.
21:39 GhostlyDeath heh
21:39 GhostlyDeath I was building a dirt staircase into the sky
21:39 GhostlyDeath I accidently fell off and died
21:39 GhostlyDeath I respawened, who knows where
21:39 GhostlyDeath but I can see my small staircase far away in the distance
21:40 khonkhortisan just run in circles, you'll see it
21:40 Hwkiller is there a reason why in the "cart" mod, different types of rails won't fit together properly?
21:40 jojoa1997|Tablet is there an ubuntu download for minetest?
21:40 Hwkiller like steel and copper rails don't merge unless they're already in the same direction
21:42 Kacey that isnt in the carts mod
21:42 jojoa1997|Tablet whoever can compile minetest could someone make an android build and send me a download?
21:42 Hwkiller Kacey: it isn't?
21:43 Kacey copper rails come from moreores while the default rails come from default
21:43 Hwkiller oh, ok
21:43 Hwkiller does default have carts too?
21:43 Hwkiller or... why do I have a carts mod...
21:43 * dachary trying https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming
21:45 Kacey default does not have carts
21:45 Kacey (knowing PilzAdam though, the carts mod may end up in minetest_games)
21:46 Hwkiller so... there are rails in efault, but no carts?
21:46 Hwkiller why?
21:46 Kacey idk
21:48 Exio because the cars "were" decent enough since 0.4.4 ("a bit ago") and because they are laggy
21:49 Hwkiller ah, that great feeling when you're digging from your house down and down... then finally discover a cave
21:51 Kacey lol
21:51 Kacey wait till you find a nyan cat
21:51 GhostlyDeath I lit my tower heh
21:51 Doyousketch2 jojoa, here's Calinou's one-line script to install on Linux Debian /  Ubuntu / Mint - http://pastebin.com/Asp0mmSh
21:52 Doyousketch2 as far as Android goes, I was looking into porting it, but the emscripten dev's said it would be hard to port because JavaScript doesn't like it when you include multiple libraries
21:53 Doyousketch2 also, it would need to use WebSockets
21:55 VanessaE damn it, isn't there some way to force a particular mod to load first, but without depending on it?
21:55 sapier no
21:55 sapier I had same problem
21:55 sapier you could rename it ;-)
21:56 VanessaE wouldn't help.  alphabetically it already comes first anyway.
21:56 VanessaE (I'm trying to use some moreblocks functions for stairs and saw within moretrees, but I would rather detect it than depend on it.
21:57 sapier difficult to handle
21:58 Doyousketch2 put a pause in the script to wait and see if it loads after the game is fully loaded?
21:59 VanessaE mmh
22:00 GhostlyDeath What's screenshot?
22:00 Doyousketch2 that seems like a dumb way to do it, but maybe.  can it detect something in the game to tell if it's running yet?
22:01 VanessaE I can detect if moreblocks exists, or detect if it has been loaded alreadyu
22:01 VanessaE -u
22:01 VanessaE but I can't force it to load first.
22:01 VanessaE except by depending on it in depends.txt
22:02 Doyousketch2 right, but I mean wait for Irliccht to render screen, then check of moreblocks exists
22:03 Doyousketch2 I figure if you wait till the screen is actually drawn, then morebocks may have loaded by then
22:03 Doyousketch2 will it let you check that with a lua script tho?
22:04 VanessaE dunno if there's a way to do that or not
22:04 VanessaE probably not :-/
22:06 Doyousketch2 can you make it do stuff if moreblocks exists, but if moreblocks does not exist, it tries again in a minute to see if it exists again?
22:06 VanessaE won't work here, as this is being done during init of the mod.
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22:06 sokomine we need a "mod xyz loaded successfully" so that other mods could do their stuff afterwards. that would be very helpful
22:06 VanessaE I need to check for the presence of moreblocks, and if found, force it to load first so I can call some functions therein to register stairs et.al
22:07 sokomine yes, i know that, except that it's moretrees in my case
22:08 sokomine what do c,d and p stand for in the public server list?
22:08 VanessaE no idea
22:08 sokomine and sometimes there's a * as well
22:08 Jordach <Jordach> finally, wine1.5 finally allows me to play SimCity2000 correctly
22:09 sokomine :-) congratulations
22:09 sokomine that was a good game. one of the few i bought
22:09 sokomine (for full price at least)
22:09 sapier difficulty with mod successfully loaded is it won't fix cyclic dependencys
22:09 sokomine vanessa: yours is *CDP
22:10 VanessaE maybe creative, damage, public?
22:10 sokomine hmm
22:10 sokomine might be
22:10 sokomine especially the c sounds convincing. d might be as well...after all that's a server option?
22:15 sapier maybe adding some sort of "optional dependency" would be an option ... minetest uses those information to preload optional mods but won't stop if an optional one is missing
22:16 VanessaE sapier: the idea has been discussed but no one's committed to developing the feature.
22:16 VanessaE fuck it, I'll just depend on moreblocks for now.
22:16 sapier lol ... I assume this has something to do with how spread mod loading and dependency is
22:17 * VanessaE shrugs
22:17 sapier i don't even know what mountains of code I would have to change in order to get this feature added
22:18 Kacey sokomine, did you ever finish that "villiage" or whatever mod?
22:19 sapier can someone explain new damage handling system to me?
22:22 sokomine kacey: there's been some progress on it, but to call it finished will require much more work. the next step will be to make the village-chests and test the "griefing" tool (a tool which allows you to change blocks of those houses)
22:22 sokomine what you can do is build houses in a towntest-like manner
22:22 jojoa1997|Tablet who plays spore
22:22 sokomine it took some time to get enough ready to call it a village, but that's done now
22:23 sokomine some of the trouble i have is the one we talked about here....for parts of the mod, some other mods have to be loaded first
22:24 Kacey !up 67.190.14.129
22:24 MinetestBot 67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.317ms)
22:24 sokomine i'm considering building another type of "farm" that's more beginning-of-medieval-times and a single farm with a fence around and all that it needs...a farm that could spawn independently
22:24 Kacey join that server and play with animals
22:24 GhostlyDeath How long does it take for sapling to grow?
22:24 GhostlyDeath and can they grow on glass?
22:25 jojoa1997|Tablet who plays The Battle For Wesnoth?
22:25 sokomine kacey: which type of animals? and: did you try my mod?
22:25 Kacey no
22:25 Kacey MOBF
22:25 Doyousketch2 kinda random for saplings, 30 secs to 3 mins, yes on glass so long as there's light nearby.  glowglass works well underground
22:25 sokomine ghostly: i suspect they can grow anywhere. i failed to place a sapling and stopping it from growing
22:26 sapier kacey what version?
22:26 sokomine kacey: only "friendly" ones or aggressive ones as well?
22:26 Kacey just downloaded
22:26 Exio Doyousketch2: iirc the saplings can't grow in any block anymore
22:26 sapier 2.0.80? brave :-)
22:26 Kacey agro ones won't spawn
22:26 GhostlyDeath I made a glass swimming pool in the sky eye
22:26 sapier plz report bugs
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22:27 Doyousketch2 oh, did they change it?  I've got an apple orchard growing underground that will need to be rebuilt then
22:27 sokomine the saplings didn't replace anything. a sapling sourrounded by cobble turned into 1 tree :-(
22:27 sokomine that was while i was trying to display a sapling at the crafting school at redcrabs server
22:28 sokomine hm. we might join that server with the animals and experiment a bit with it. i've run them very successfully in singleplayer (at least the peaceful ones) but got the impression that trouble starts if there's more than one player
22:29 Doyousketch2 I was chatting with VanessaE not too long ago about her moretrees mod, and those require dirt_with_grass to grow on.
22:30 Hwkiller crap; does the base game now offer copper as an ore?
22:30 sokomine moretrees are a bt diffrent there
22:30 Hwkiller I just noticed that with moreores, I have two types of copper
22:30 sokomine yes it does
22:30 Hwkiller damn
22:30 Hwkiller is moreores even necessary now?
22:30 sokomine also gold. leads to ores beeing there in two kinds when you have moreores installed (which most servers have)
22:31 sokomine some receipes may require moreores
22:31 Exio did calinou updated moreores to work with the "lastest"? he should
22:31 Doyousketch2 lols.  if I recall right, think they put diamonds in the latest build too.
22:32 Hwkiller is tin in there? and can you make bronze with it?
22:32 Exio yep, diamonds
22:33 Kacey found a bug sapier
22:33 Exio btw sapier, do you use the new path finding in mobf?
22:33 sapier no
22:34 sapier wont be added until 2.2
22:34 sapier at least for time being
22:35 Kacey when you put down a chick it flies into the sky
22:35 sapier sounds like a client server sync problem
22:35 Kacey how do i work a barn?
22:35 sokomine happens sometimes. fish tend to shoot up in the sky if there's not enough time for them noticing they're no longer in water
22:36 sokomine craft the barn and place it near animals
22:36 sokomine put leaves in
22:37 sapier i need to find a way to use pathfinding without killing performance as this will have an impact ;-)
22:37 Doyousketch2 I'd really like to put in a language filter for Minetest.
22:38 Kacey leaves?
22:38 sapier the only eatable thing available within default ;-)
22:39 Kacey theres grass now
22:39 sapier in default?
22:39 Doyousketch2 Motivated by the fact that I have an 8-yr old that I'd rather not read profanity while playing
22:39 Kacey yep
22:39 Kacey howdo i put leaves in?
22:40 sapier just punch ... not quite sure if right or left .. try both ;-)
22:40 Doyousketch2 I cuss enough.  wish they made one for me too :P
22:41 sokomine a language filter? what for?
22:41 sokomine ah, ok
22:41 sapier I don't think there's a way to do this in pure lua atm
22:41 Kacey sokomine, you keep timing out really fast
22:41 Doyousketch2 yeah, keep the swear words down.  I use 'em as filler words all the time
22:42 sokomine i'm not very convinced of language filters because people tend to avoid them; for small children, that might be diffrent
22:42 Doyousketch2 am terribly dyslexic, words aren't my thing
22:42 sokomine kacey: yes, havn't connected successfully yet
22:43 VanessaE ok, an alias is supposed to work both ways, right?
22:43 sokomine client.cpp:1716: void Client::ProcessData(irr::u8*, irr::u32, irr::u16): Assertion '!m_mesh_update_thread.IsRunning()' failed.
22:44 sokomine ...while trying to connect to the server
22:44 sokomine vanessa: hmm. in theory? might be too optimistc
22:44 VanessaE i.e. if I do:  minetest.register_alias("moretrees:beech_planks", "default:wood")    then something that wants default:wood should work with moretrees:beech_planks, and vice versa, right?
22:44 Doyousketch2 no, I doubt it.  think aliases work one-way
22:45 VanessaE damn it.
22:45 sapier :-) too much load seams some threads don't come up as soon as necessaey ... design flaw
22:45 sapier either in mod or core ;-)
22:47 Doyousketch2 so I downloaded this ClusterDebian iso and found out it has NOTHING on it at all.  no X, no Gnome.  it boots to terminal.
22:47 sapier it doesn't need anything if its a cluster node
22:48 Doyousketch2 so I'm installing a recent version of Debian to a VirtualBox and building a fresh cluster from there
22:48 sokomine kacey: no chance to connect to your server. i always get this bug
22:48 Doyousketch2 nah, it's supposed to be the main machine
22:48 sapier a cluster node does have only one purpose numbercrunching
22:48 sokomine sapier: maybe you might try conneting?
22:48 Doyousketch2 right, the nodes are supposed to log into it, but they didn't include any packages
22:49 Kacey crashed the server
22:49 Doyousketch2 it's ok, just takes longer than expected
22:50 Kacey back up
22:50 sapier mobf crash?
22:50 Doyousketch2 want to make a cluster to numbercrunch my minetest builds
22:51 sapier lol ... sorry but minetest isn't by any means big enough to gain any benefit of a cluster ... network latency is fare more important than any compile time
22:51 Doyousketch2 and if it works well, upload it so others can try using it as a minetest server
22:51 Kacey yep it was a mobf crash
22:51 VanessaE oh I see what went wrong with the alias.
22:52 VanessaE 18:50:35: INFO[main]: WARNING: Not registering alias, item with same name is already defined: moretrees:beech_planks -> default:wood
22:52 VanessaE well no shit, sherlock.
22:52 Doyousketch2 you say that, but I tweak a line then have to recompile and try it.  you do that 2 doz times a day and you'll understand why
22:53 sapier just have a try .... imho you most likely wont get it compiled any faster if distributing to cluster
22:54 Doyousketch2 I've got 2 desktops and a laptop sitting in my room, plus I can tap into 3 more PC's downstairs.  I'm sure it'll compile quicker
22:54 sapier I could connect Kacey
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22:54 sapier quite laggy
22:55 Kacey a little
22:56 sapier flat world ... i see
22:57 Kacey lol
22:57 sapier ahhh thats mobf stable
22:58 RealBadAngel so, anybody else have tried to use system wide luajit?
22:58 Doyousketch2 got too much coffee in me.  feeling jittery :/
22:58 qwertytrains joined #minetest
22:58 sapier mobf stable is not compatible to 0.4.6 (at least for fighting)
22:59 qwertytrains left #minetest
22:59 Doyousketch2 system wide?  think I installed luajit that way
22:59 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
23:00 RealBadAngel can you try build and use it?
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23:00 jordan4ibanez So we can make shaders now?
23:01 Doyousketch2 was checking package manager to see if LuaJit was in there.  don't see it.  do you know the package name?
23:01 RealBadAngel by now i know it worked for 3 folks, i need feedback
23:01 Doyousketch2 I'll check it if you can help me find the right package name, or do I need to build it from source?
23:01 RealBadAngel Doyousketch2, you can easily install it from sources
23:01 RealBadAngel http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.1.tar.gz
23:01 GhostlyDeath I had much junk blocks
23:01 GhostlyDeath went 600 high
23:02 GhostlyDeath newbie towers
23:02 RealBadAngel unpack, cd /src , make, make install
23:02 bas080 Hey, what mod allows for ingame gamemode switching
23:02 GhostlyDeath Now to jump off and die
23:02 bas080 I can't seem to find it.
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23:06 sapier too much lag
23:06 bas080 Would that cause t much lag?
23:06 FreeFull joined #minetest
23:06 sapier I assume it's my inet connection
23:07 sapier i was talking about kaceys server ;-)
23:07 Doyousketch2 do I need to do a special cmake to enable LuaJIT?
23:07 bas080 facepalm
23:08 telek Try having a 10+ block firestorm going on see how much lag you get :D
23:08 khonkhortisan You have to do special stuff to enable luajit.
23:08 sapier jordan4ibanez if you add shaders plz think about irrlicht is unable to unload any shader
23:08 khonkhortisan You have to compile, delete bin/*, remove an escape from a file, compile luajit separately, copy the library, then relink minetest
23:09 khonkhortisan but removing the escape comes first
23:09 Doyousketch2 oh wait, what?  is there a forum link that explains the process?
23:09 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
23:09 RealBadAngel build from this sources
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23:10 Exio khonkhortisan: it is for testing rba's patches what do that stuff in a easy way
23:10 Exio and just compiling with make
23:10 RealBadAngel no switches necesary, it will autodetect luajit installed
23:10 Doyousketch2 right, thats what I did.  ok, cool.  it's building
23:10 Doyousketch2 it's slow, 'cuz I'm installing Debian in a VirtualBox too
23:11 RealBadAngel you should see mesages about it at the very start
23:11 RealBadAngel about found or not found
23:12 RealBadAngel like so:
23:12 RealBadAngel -- LuaJIT library: /usr/local/lib/libluajit-5.1.so
23:12 RealBadAngel -- LuaJIT headers: /usr/local/include/luajit-2.0
23:12 RealBadAngel -- LuaJIT found.
23:13 Doyousketch2 so far it's doing ok.  if it helps with feedback here's the cmake output - http://pastebin.com/6gKwzbZb
23:13 khonkhortisan I don't see a luajit rpm for suse
23:13 telek How integrated is minetest to irrlicht?
23:13 telek IE could we do a fork to replace the majority of the irrlicht logic with ogre or openscenegraph or something?
23:13 RealBadAngel khonkhortisan, compile it, its damn easy
23:13 khonkhortisan I did, but now I find out I can install it instead of copy it
23:14 Exio telek: "very" i'd say
23:14 Doyousketch2 dunno, had an error with TTfont
23:14 telek Actually for that matter: Could we decouple minetestserver from irrlicht for purposes of running it on even lower specced hardware?
23:14 Exio you don't even need irrlicht for the server
23:14 khonkhortisan the server uses it?
23:14 Exio nope
23:14 sokomine sdzen has a great texture for what looks like sandstonebricks on his server. hope he adds that soon to some common mod. either to default or moreblocks
23:14 sokomine i'd like to build with that on a building server!
23:14 RealBadAngel Doyousketch2, font error? this is not related to luajit
23:15 khonkhortisan Do 4 sand -> 1 sandstone -> 1 sand still?
23:15 Doyousketch2 http://pastebin.com/eWLrbsa1
23:15 RealBadAngel virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory
23:15 Doyousketch2 right, I think I shouldn't use the extra text switch. but you wanted feedback, so that may help
23:15 RealBadAngel your machine run out of ram :)
23:16 sokomine yes, that receipe exists
23:16 sokomine but i want that texture. it looks very friendly and good
23:16 Doyousketch2 oh, yeah, as I say VirtualBox is eating it up.
23:16 Doyousketch2 can try on laptop instead.  just a min
23:17 RealBadAngel Doyousketch2, i can see mt found luajit in your case and is using it
23:17 Kacey still not able to connect to the freaking server
23:18 GhostlyDeath mauvebic: I found a whole bunch of mese
23:18 GhostlyDeath at depth -270
23:18 GhostlyDeath I mined maybe 20 square already
23:18 GhostlyDeath with 1 diamond square too
23:18 Kacey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 come a long way since then
23:19 GhostlyDeath actually, there is gold and mese
23:20 GhostlyDeath found 13 mese crystals and 22 shard of gold so far in this one area
23:23 GhostlyDeath it's like everywhere I dig, there is mese
23:23 RealBadAngel hallelujah! ;)
23:24 Doyousketch2 oh my Lord, Synaptic is stupid sometimes
23:24 Doyousketch2 to install Xchat on this thing, it thinks it needs to update Gnome.  ok.  fine
23:25 khonkhortisan I never know whether to merge my own pull request or to let other people see it first
23:25 Doyousketch2 but then it cries about GTK being installed,   which it doesn't do untill it has gotten past the part where it depends upon it
23:25 GhostlyDeath 5 mese crystals adjacent to each other
23:26 GhostlyDeath Doyousketch2: Do not install recommended
23:26 GhostlyDeath found 5 diamonds so far
23:27 Sketch2 joined #minetest
23:27 Doyousketch2 it's like
23:28 Sketch2 k, thought it would show ur text in here from back a few
23:28 Sketch2 1 sec, need to copy download links
23:29 GhostlyDeath 17 adjacent blocks of diamonds!
23:29 Doyousketch2 https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest & http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.1.tar.gz
23:32 Kacey GhostlyDeath, are you on a server?
23:34 Sketch2 dunno if I ever downloaded the dependancies to this thing
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23:37 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#B6xsPNLd
23:38 Doyousketch2 aparently not.  disregard link - http://pastebin.com/Asp0mmSh
23:39 NakedFury KAcey that would be a good treadmill
23:40 GhostlyDeath Kacey: No
23:40 GhostlyDeath well
23:40 GhostlyDeath I am on my own private server
23:40 GhostlyDeath private server
23:40 Kacey you should forward the port so i can hop on
23:40 GhostlyDeath I found a cave lined with mesa crystals and diamonds heh
23:41 Doyousketch2 lols.  I'd set a pet on the treadmill with a bowl of snacks in front of it
23:42 GhostlyDeath https://sites.google.com/site/kaptinkurk/minetest-mesamine.png
23:43 Doyousketch2 or build a frame and set my bike on it
23:43 GhostlyDeath there's more below me out of sight
23:43 NotReallyNick joined #minetest
23:44 Doyousketch2 man I hate computers
23:44 NotReallyNick WHy is that?
23:44 Exio eat them
23:44 GhostlyDeath I got 76 crystals in this hunt so far
23:44 Hwkiller I found a plethora of mine entries, but it's far away from my 'home'. I made a gigantic tower at my home so I can identify it from afar, and I'm basically making that the starting point to a roller coaster that leads to the mine entries
23:44 Hwkiller awesome
23:45 Doyousketch2 oh, I'm guessing this things installing Debian on a VirtualBox, but it's been sitting here for an hour without any notification if it's actually doing anything
23:45 Doyousketch2 for all I know, it's just sitting on a blank screen
23:45 Doyousketch2 has a nice pretty Debian logo on it if that makes any difference
23:46 GhostlyDeath I just dug a 1 tunnel thing under a canyon
23:46 GhostlyDeath which was under water
23:46 GhostlyDeath then just kept digging
23:46 GhostlyDeath then I saw a mesa block
23:46 GhostlyDeath well crystal block
23:46 GhostlyDeath then I started exploring
23:46 Exio haha, more than 2 seconds to render a frame
23:46 Hwkiller I've yet to see a mesa block
23:46 GhostlyDeath then I eventually found this cave full of the stuff
23:47 khonkhortisan 2spf
23:47 Hwkiller i've seen the crystal
23:47 GhostlyDeath diamonds, copper, gold, coal
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23:49 Sketch2 k, got dependencies.  cmake output for RBA - http://pastebin.com/fTukFgZc
23:50 mauvebic jesus holy st-mary, xfce4-panel was gobbling up 1.5 gigs of ram lol
23:50 telek Apparently somebody forgot their valgrind run during regression testing :D
23:50 mauvebic i think ill install awn lol
23:51 GhostlyDeath steel axe is not enough
23:51 Exio telek: wut? :P
23:51 Sketch2 xfce is supposed to be small?  you have a broken widget in there with a mem leak?
23:52 GhostlyDeath on a seconnd stack of mesa
23:52 mauvebic thats the thing, i only had the taskbar and tray lol
23:52 Kacey mese*
23:52 mauvebic i know the weather applet can be a drag, thats why i dont use it
23:52 telek Exio: Mauvebic's xfce4-panel memory usage.
23:53 Exio ah
23:53 * telek doesn't even run DEs on linux unless it's a shared computer.
23:53 * Kacey is going to play some legit build for a while. anyone want to join?
23:53 mauvebic jesus its been a long time since i swapped out a panel for an applet, cant remember where the config is for that lol
23:53 Exio telek: what WM? :P
23:54 GhostlyDeath I need ot backtrack to the cave
23:54 telek Exio: WindowMaker.
23:54 GhostlyDeath i've traveled 50 blocks away
23:54 GhostlyDeath I use WindowMaker
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23:55 mauvebic if use one of the *box's if the visual style didn't make me want to retch
23:55 mauvebic *id use
23:55 Exio the visual style of the WMs is in how you configure them
23:57 octobot \qzM ;0
23:57 octobot j9hfyubvr
23:57 octobot \fuje
23:57 octobot blegh
23:58 Exio what the heck?
23:58 telek Windowmaker only has basic WinXX color theming. But it's low resources, well tested, and has a build in run command (which honestly was the biggest hobble with old WMs back in the day.
23:58 GhostlyDeath telek: Which version you use?
23:59 GhostlyDeath Yknow WM was revived correct?
23:59 Exio i prefer for a "working" system a twm

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