Time Nick Message 00:00 LAD ... espicily nyan :) 00:00 us_0gb Teckit doesn't prove Minecraft is "better'. 00:00 jordan4ibanez Yeah exactly 00:00 us_0gb Anyway, I have to go. I'll be back later. 00:00 jordan4ibanez Really, the goal of minetest right now, is more for the modders to make the game more fun 00:00 jordan4ibanez for the players 00:00 Exio minetest is doing what MC did in a better way 00:01 NekoGloop fact: goals make games reach more players, as most players prefer achievement over creation 00:01 Exio ^ ye 00:01 Exio survival players unite! 00:01 NekoGloop Exio, Um. Did MC have a mini civil war during its early beta...? 00:02 Exio NekoGloop: no, because it wasn't opensource 00:02 NekoGloop Ok then. 00:02 Exio read that as "the stuff is worked in the way what notch wanted" 00:02 Exio or jeb, or dinnerbone 00:02 NekoGloop The only thing opensource is getting us is civil wars 00:02 NekoGloop Not progress. 00:02 NekoGloop MC advanced at a comparably faster rate. What's your excuse? 00:03 Exio $ 00:03 Exio for playing mc you are paying and you are PAYING for that 00:03 Exio grr 00:03 Exio i need to reword the stuff in my mind 00:04 NekoGloop Yes, I'm paying for a game that is comparably better. 00:04 NekoGloop And i mean as a GAME, not comparing the CODE it runs on 00:04 Exio NekoGloop: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L26 00:04 NekoGloop as a PLAYER, i couldn't give less shits about the CODE. Let the CODERS code, and the PLAYERS play. 00:05 Exio you need to READ the README :) 00:05 NekoGloop Exio, and in the meantime? You all are acting like this UNFINISHED grade-F game is better than a FINISHED grade-B game. 00:06 NekoGloop Simply because it's opensource. 00:06 Exio uh? 00:06 NekoGloop Don't be stupid, you know what I'm talking about. 00:06 NekoGloop Scroll up, if you need a refresher. 00:07 Exio i play mc, i like it gameplay, and is the only reason of why i *still play* it, as if you compare the actual MT to "MC alpha" 00:07 Exio you would see what i'm saying 00:07 jordan4ibanez I still like minecraft alpha better than beta or release :< 00:08 NekoGloop I play alpha when i want some shits and giggles. 00:09 Exio i just play in the nether because fighting with blazes and then looking at a wither skelly, jumping to lava and so on, something what can't be done in MT actually, but wait, did MC had a nether, decent mobs, and a real gameplay in the alpha state? 00:09 NekoGloop um... 00:09 NekoGloop well it had decent mobs 00:10 Exio there is a lot of stuff what is "going to be added" soon, as you can't compare a game where you are paying with real money, to a game what is being worked with people what thinks what they are doing may be cool in someway, or just because you want to. it is a "matter of potential" 00:10 NekoGloop (shadows were a bit buggy but w/e) 00:10 Exio NekoGloop: it is already buggy 00:10 NekoGloop Hell, alpha 1.1.2 had mobs. 00:10 Exio and for every thing they add they add more bugs 00:10 NekoGloop Exio, grammar where art thou 00:10 Exio NekoGloop: 0.3 had too! 00:10 khonkhortisan We just recently got the ability to rotate nodes 90° any direction. There's still much more to do. 00:11 NekoGloop Exio, and everything you guys add we break everything else 00:11 Exio i'm not a native speaker or similar, i know my english sucks 00:11 Exio NekoGloop: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master http://dev.minetest.net/TODO 00:11 NekoGloop TODO: Not break everything 00:11 Exio http://dev.minetest.net/TODO#Add_in_a_couple_mobs.3F.21.3F that is why there are not mobs, actually 00:12 Exio there is also a commit for the pathfinding, but it is not important as a having a WORKING game first, something what you normally don't get with mc alone 00:12 Exio and you need to use a lot of mods, what are a pain to maintain, etc 00:12 NekoGloop um... 00:13 NekoGloop MC vanilla -is- a working game 00:13 Exio (optifine, modloader/forge, ...) 00:13 Exio really? 00:13 NekoGloop Yeah. 00:13 Exio it is a finished game with more bugs than features, but yes 00:13 NekoGloop optifine is for if your computer wasn't made in the last two decades :O 00:13 NekoGloop :P* 00:13 Exio i use optifine for the zoom feature 00:13 Exio not because my computer can't handle MC 00:14 NekoGloop Exio, You can get the zoom with macro/keybind mod, but anyway. 00:14 NekoGloop What's minetest without mods? 00:14 Exio you can't play minetest without mods, because that is how it is created 00:14 NekoGloop Minecraft without mods is only comparable to minetest without mods, and minecraft modded should be compared to minetest modded 00:15 Exio default is a mod 00:15 NekoGloop Exio, without additional mods 00:15 Exio http://dev.minetest.net/TODO#TODO_in_minetest_game 00:15 hmmmm minetest is not an 'unfinished grade-F game' 00:15 NekoGloop or, more accuratly, no mods, just default gamemode 00:15 Exio there is no a default gamemode 00:15 hmmmm it's not really a game and it doesn't really have a grade 00:15 Exio i like minetest because the potential of it 00:16 hmmmm i really started liking minetest though 00:16 Exio hmmmm: :D 00:16 NekoGloop hmmmm, Just, gtfo. You don't belong in this conversation. 00:16 hmmmm minetest is probably technically superior to minecraft 00:16 Exio s/probably // 00:16 hmmmm they have a full team of people being paid to work on it all day every day 00:16 hmmmm if it seems more polished and whatever, that might be why 00:16 NekoGloop You're one of the devs, who has an evil eye toward anything else. 00:17 Exio NekoGloop: i'm a "casual dev" 00:17 hmmmm nekogloop, up until a month ago i hated minetest 00:17 NekoGloop Outside ideas are forbidden in your precious garden 00:17 hmmmm everything was just so slow and crap 00:17 Exio lol NekoGloop 00:17 hmmmm things are getting nice though 00:17 NekoGloop How many suggestions have I made that you guys haven't even LISTENED to? 00:17 Exio http://dev.minetest.net/TODO#Mapgen_V7 Find a way to smooth height transitions between biomes (look to Minecraft for inspiration) 00:18 Exio hey, see, other ideas aren't welcome 00:18 Exio minecraft has cool ways to do stuff, but for every good thing it has, it has other two bad things 00:18 NekoGloop I mean ideas not stolen from minecraft. 00:18 hmmmm nekogloop, your ideas probably suck to be honest 00:18 hmmmm we listen to good ideas 00:18 Exio NekoGloop: did you try coding them, too? 00:18 hmmmm you want more gameplay things though, things that can be added through lua very easily 00:18 NekoGloop Ironic that you basically just called minecraft a good idea 00:19 hmmmm why is minecraft a bad idea? 00:19 Exio that is the thing i can't understand :P 00:19 NekoGloop after all, you're plagiarizing all ideas from minecraft, and you just said that you only add good ideas. 00:19 hmmmm plagarizing 00:19 hmmmm right 00:19 hmmmm go choke on a dick 00:20 hmmmm minecraft does a lot of the things it does because they make sense and they're good ideas 00:20 NekoGloop Gladly. But in a more serious conversation, why aren't you adding unique things as well? 00:20 Exio at the same time it has bad things, like anything 00:20 hmmmm although minetest is a free minecraft clone, we do the same things not just for the sake of copying them, but because they're good ideas 00:20 khonkhortisan rain is a good idea 00:20 hmmmm well if you want it, go add it 00:21 hmmmm lua ParticleSpawner is in 0.4.6 00:21 NekoGloop The only thing minetest has different, to a player, is copper, mese, and bronze. 00:21 khonkhortisan But we still don't know where the clouds are 00:21 hmmmm there you are with your "to a player" thing 00:21 khonkhortisan to the player the mobs are gone 00:21 NekoGloop If you're making a game, then make it for the player. 00:21 hmmmm if "to a player" is really all that matters to you, then you can make it way better than minecraft 00:22 hmmmm and "the player" does recognize that their game feels smoother and faster by the way 00:22 hmmmm but you wouldn't give a shit about that 00:22 hmmmm because core developers are inferior in your eyes for some reason 00:22 NekoGloop You're "fixing" something that's been fixed for a while 00:22 hmmmm like...? 00:23 NekoGloop the "lag" caused by mapgen 00:23 hmmmm that's been fixed? 00:23 NekoGloop (which has been fixed for... a month?) 00:23 VanessaE hmmmm: at least he isn't advocating switching the modding language to javascript ;) 00:23 hmmmm you have no idea what i'm doing, so shut the hell up 00:23 hmmmm you have no right to judge 00:23 NekoGloop Yes, at least I have a good arguement 00:23 NekoGloop Such as your superiority complex. 00:23 hmmmm no you don't, you don't have full awareness of the situation 00:23 hmmmm because it's beyond you, you assume it isn't important 00:23 NekoGloop I have perfect awareness of the situation. 00:24 Exio "good argument" == "i like how it works so i want this IF NOT I DUN LIKE THIS" 00:24 Exio you need to think the game is not a simple lua script with 10 lines 00:24 hmmmm nekogloop, if you hate minetest so much, why are you still here? 00:24 Exio start_engine && create_nice_mapgen; 00:24 Exio hmmmm: ++ 00:24 hmmmm seriously GTFO 00:24 hmmmm fuck your bad vibes bro 00:24 NekoGloop Because I wish to be here once you all come to your senses and make a game, not an engine? 00:24 Exio you can't make the game without a decent engine behind it 00:25 VanessaE NekoGloop: you need a good engine to make a good game. 00:25 hmmmm you're right 00:25 khonkhortisan submitted yet another mesecon bug report 00:25 NekoGloop The engine -is- good enough 00:25 Exio really? 00:25 Exio do you really think that? 00:25 hmmmm we should just make the frame of a car and then throw in an engine from a 1930s automobile 00:25 hmmmm that'd work great 00:25 VanessaE NekoGloop: there are still many parts of the engine that are seriously lacking, and hmmmm is working on fixing those things. 00:25 NekoGloop Yes, because unlike you all, I actually play minetest occasionally. 00:25 khonkhortisan per-nodebox textures would make a better engine 00:26 Exio hmmmm, sapier and other people :P 00:26 khonkhortisan meshes too 00:26 NekoGloop Alright fine. 00:26 hmmmm just look at anyone in the credits tab 00:26 NekoGloop Just keep proving my point about how you all never listen to me. 00:26 hmmmm they all helped minetest become what it is today 00:26 VanessaE khonkhortisan: RealBadAngel has that in mind already, in fact. 00:26 NekoGloop Just. Keep. Proving. It. 00:26 hmmmm yes, because you think we shouldn't modify the engine because you can't see its problems 00:26 VanessaE NekoGloop: ok, name one idea. 00:27 VanessaE any one idea that is not borrowed from minecraft. 00:27 hmmmm he wants us to halt all core development and focus soley on lua and making it a gamey game 00:27 NekoGloop What, you think i write them down? 00:27 NekoGloop Nope. 00:27 NekoGloop You're not listening. 00:27 khonkhortisan VanessaE, good. 00:27 VanessaE NekoGloop: most people at least remember what it is they want. How can we listen if you won't speak? 00:27 VanessaE (so to speak) 00:27 jojoa1997|Tablet c 00:28 NekoGloop You've already ignored me when i've spoken. Why let my voice echo uselessly? 00:28 hmmmm it's probably good that he isn't telling us his ideas, otherwise we'd die from the stupidity 00:28 mauvebic well thats a way to treat the users 00:28 NekoGloop up until a month ago, hmmmm was a reasonable guy. 00:28 VanessaE NekoGloop: because we need to develop a database of suggestions so that we know what to and not to consider developing? 00:28 NekoGloop Now he works on the core and is an uptight asshole. 00:28 NakedFury he has always been a reasonable man 00:28 hmmmm i never worked on anything else but the core fyi 00:28 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam 00:29 NekoGloop So you never worked on your life? 00:29 jojoa1997|Tablet what time is it for you 00:29 NekoGloop Seems legit. 00:29 jojoa1997|Tablet what time is it in germany 00:29 Exio wait, i got the stuff 00:29 NekoGloop jojoa1997|Tablet, midnight/past it 00:29 Exio oh, no, i don't get it 00:29 khonkhortisan sun is still up here 00:29 VanessaE should be upwards of 2:30 am there. 00:29 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, 2:29 00:29 jojoa1997|Tablet haha 00:29 jojoa1997|Tablet i saw your post and didnt get it 00:29 jojoa1997|Tablet until i remembered your location 00:30 VanessaE what post? 00:30 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5370 00:30 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam i support your change 00:30 PilzAdam ;-p 00:30 sokomine hmpf. rollback is really slow 00:31 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE do you suport it 00:31 PilzAdam sokomine, rollback will be fixed before 0.4.6 is released 00:31 Exio hahahahahaha 00:31 hmmmm rollback is really slow, see, we'd work on it, but according to NekoGloop the core is fine and we should stop 00:31 hmmmm because he is full of nothing but excellent ideas 00:31 NekoGloop I didn't say stop working on the core 00:31 hmmmm and we should all listen to his fountain of wisdom 00:31 NekoGloop I said stop working on things that are already fixed. 00:32 Exio so, let me understand 00:32 hmmmm i wouldn't be working on it if it was already good enough 00:32 mauvebic the atmosphere here is toxic, bbl 00:32 PilzAdam NekoGloop, can you write a list of your ideas/suggestions and pass them to us? 00:32 NekoGloop Sure thing boss. 00:32 hmmmm he can't because he forgot them 00:32 hmmmm and he hates you because you're taking a leadership role 00:32 hmmmm ;; 00:33 Exio aww 00:33 NekoGloop After all, i might as well appease the almight PilzAdam 00:33 hmmmm see 00:33 NekoGloop Who's ideas are purely, 100%, not stolen from MC. 00:33 PilzAdam he always talks about his ideas, I simply want to hear them 00:33 sokomine pilzadam: that sounds great! 00:34 PilzAdam sokomine, check your calendar :-p 00:35 sokomine sorry. i didn't want to make anyone unhappy, especially at easter. the current rollback is just a problem :-( and even if it gets fixed, that would only help partly - the fixed version would still have to get installed on redcrabs server 00:35 NekoGloop er, you shoulda done that when it was 4/1/2013 for more people. 00:35 sokomine i was typing that, pilzadam ,) 00:35 sokomine ah, ok...hm 00:35 sokomine at least i arrived now :) 00:36 jojoa1997|Tablet guys 00:36 jojoa1997|Tablet i have added villages and it is working great 00:36 PilzAdam need to go to sleep; bye 00:36 xy so i heard stuff 00:37 Exio :D 00:37 xy java stuff 00:37 xy and i did not look at the date 00:37 xy now i need to rage 00:37 VanessaE NekoGloop: as an example of the engine issue. Have you seen the benchmarks I posted for plants_lib and the engine's treegen code? 00:37 Psychotic hey all 00:37 jojoa1997|Tablet also i have made a village mod that makes houses out of all the ore blocks 00:37 jojoa1997|Tablet here is the link 00:37 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80366#p80366 00:37 Psychotic Kim Jong Us is trollin meh 00:37 Psychotic http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=232765&p=13677384#p13677384 00:37 Exio aw, first post in the forum :P 00:38 VanessaE NekoGloop: go here, and scroll down to "Benchmarks": http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3898 00:38 VanessaE NekoGloop: the reason my code takes 200+ ms to get stuff done is due to slowness in the lighting code inside the engine. this is being worked on. 00:38 jojoa1997|Tablet so vanessae do you like the new update to npcs 00:39 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: I have not updated recently. 00:39 Exio wtf is that line VanessaE 00:39 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80366#p80366 00:39 jojoa1997|Tablet look there 00:39 Exio brainfuck-bash 00:39 Exio or what? 00:39 jojoa1997|Tablet there is also a village mod that 00:39 VanessaE Exio: yup :-) 00:39 jojoa1997|Tablet also i have made a village mod that makes houses out of all the ore blocks 00:39 NekoGloop VanessaE, which is part of the gameplay? lighting needs to be good for a good game, otherwise you can't tell what's going on. 00:39 Aggies hey kacey i'm pn 00:39 VanessaE NekoGloop: the amount of time it takes to update the lighting directly contributes to mapgen lag. 00:40 Exio NekoGloop: the lighting is working ok, but it is slow as hell 00:40 VanessaE which is why moretrees adds so much mapgen lag. 00:40 Exio works != works as how it should do 00:40 jordan4ibanez http://imgur.com/gallery/WdMKZWZ 00:40 VanessaE if the lighting can be optimized and streamlined, mapgen lag will decrease in mods that add lots of bulk content like moretrees, probably snow biomes also. 00:40 NekoGloop Fine 00:41 NekoGloop I am now, officially done with MT. 00:41 Exio the snow biomes will be with the mapgen v7 00:41 NekoGloop Just, fuck you all. 00:41 Exio :D you too 00:41 kaeza1 see you tomorrow Neko! 00:41 Psychotic What happened? 00:41 VanessaE ragequit 00:41 Exio lol kaeza1 00:41 Psychotic She left for good? 00:41 VanessaE he. 00:42 VanessaE he'll be back later probably. 00:42 Psychotic 0.0 00:42 Psychotic Wanted to ask, is there any mod in the making out there that lets you build a village, like millenaire, except for minetest? 00:43 VanessaE I figured the point of MT was to build that stuff manually :-) 00:43 jojoa1997|Tablet no it spawns houses 00:45 jojoa1997|Tablet gtg cya 00:46 kaeza1 now is the perfect oportunity for lamefun to announce a JS version of MT xD 00:47 Exio lololol 00:48 Exio VanessaE: ping? 00:48 VanessaE pong 00:48 Exio what are the "ranks" (new member - member) and what are the differences between them? 00:48 Exio just wondering :P 00:49 kaeza ZOMG Exio made a post on the forumz!!! :O 00:49 Exio yeaaaah!!! 00:49 Exio i'll make my account more cool(er) 00:50 kaeza Exio4: Registered: 2012-12-23 Posts: 1, jojoa1997: Registered: 2012-12-13 Posts: 5,890 00:50 Exio wtf?!?!!?!! 00:50 Exio 5890?!!?!?!?!?! 00:50 sokomine psychotic: well, to a degree...there are several mods that go into that direction 00:51 Exio omg... 00:51 Psychotic I wabna buid a village for my playthin---i mean villagers 00:51 Exio Hi there! Your Dropbox password has expired because you haven't changed it in a while. You'll need to create a new one. 00:51 Exio i didn't open my dropbox account 00:51 Exio fffff 00:51 sokomine there's towntest, and my random_buildings uses a similar concept to build a medieval village - thouch you have to place the chests for the buildings yourshelf and insert the material, there is no real village-ness right now 00:52 sokomine the villagers are still a bit stupid :-) (if anything, they stand around wanting to trade with you) 00:54 Exio ah kaeza 00:54 kaeza ? 00:54 Exio only.. 2000~ 00:54 Exio (yes, only) 00:54 Exio http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=3782 00:55 kaeza give the guy another month and you'll see :D 00:55 sokomine 2000? 00:55 Exio soon the forum will have a postOverflow when looking at that page 00:58 kaeza VanessaE, BTW, I'm still looking for a way to make a generic function to make the locked signs. will require more changes than expected, and I don't want to duplicate code 00:58 Psychotic How many people join minetest forums a day? 00:59 kaeza also... been a bit lazy today (?) 00:59 Exio s/bit/lot/? 01:00 kaeza sed: -e expression #1, char 11: unknown option to `s' 01:00 Exio xD 01:00 kaeza :P 01:01 Exio hi jojoa1997|Tablet 01:01 kaeza wut 01:01 mauvebic things seem quiet now :P 01:01 Exio my network's speed is like 5kbit/s 01:02 Exio (atm) 01:02 jojoa1997|Tablet jejia here? 01:03 jojoa1997|Tablet can anyone make a dispenser for mesecons 01:03 Exio Psychotic: http://forum.minetest.net/userlist.php?username=&show_group=-1&sort_by=registered&sort_dir=DESC&search=Search 01:04 Psychotic I would love a dispenser. 01:04 Exio ctrl-?meta-j2 01:04 Exio fff, sorry 01:04 VanessaE kaeza: no prob.. take your time. 01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet me too a perfect thing to throw fire with 01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet ok 01:06 jojoa1997|Tablet i want to have optifine for minetest 01:06 Exio what features of optifine do you want in MT? 01:06 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, read Jeija's comment? 01:06 Psychotic so whats gonna be in minetest 0.4.6? 01:06 VanessaE Psychotic: everything. :-) 01:07 jojoa1997|Tablet link 01:07 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE biome definer? 01:07 jojoa1997|Tablet biome dinner? 01:07 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: no 01:07 Exio no 01:07 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE YES YES YES 01:07 VanessaE biomes are only provided in some mods, or as part of mapgen v7 01:07 VanessaE not in 0.4.6 01:07 jojoa1997|Tablet wait mapgen7 01:08 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, *Temperest http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80327#p80327 01:08 jojoa1997|Tablet link to comment jejia made and to mapgen7 please 01:08 Exio the mg v7 will not be there until there 01:08 Exio ff 01:08 mauvebic optifine would be cool but it doesnt sound easy to do 01:08 VanessaE what are you talking about? jeija isn't involved in mapgen v7? 01:09 Exio http://dev.minetest.net/TODO#Mapgen_V7 http://dev.minetest.net/Mapgen_V7 01:09 Exio mauvebic: what features of optifine? 01:09 Exio we already have HD textures! 01:09 mauvebic for me, loading a huge area to take screenshots, they seem to have an easier time of it over @ MC 01:09 Exio loading a huge area? hm? 01:10 mauvebic i mean theres a certain point where a project is too big and you can never show it off entirely, which kinda sucks 01:10 mauvebic like the scale enteprise, i can barely load it whole and often times chunks start unloading 01:10 kaeza mauvebic, increase draw distance and/or active block range? 01:11 mauvebic im talking about the roof, how much you can load with your hardware 01:11 mauvebic tweaking settings doesn't change anything, only better performance will do it 01:11 Exio some things 01:11 Exio 1) the engine is already WAY FASTER than MC in that, even when there is a lot of stuff what is not properly implemented or slow 01:11 kaeza I get ~5 FPS with a draw dist of 1000 01:11 mauvebic im guessing thats why they came up with optifine 01:12 mauvebic well if our engine is faster, howcome they can load more, its not just a few people with powerful comps, alot of them are taking these massive screenshots 01:12 Exio 2) that is "WIP" 01:12 Exio what massive screenshots? 01:13 VanessaE mauvebic: it's more a matter of how much RAM and how good of a video card you have that determines how much of the world you can load. 01:13 mauvebic screenshots, the videos, unless your purposely avoiding em, i shouldn't have to point them out :p 01:13 VanessaE I have no trouble here loading 1k x 1k chunks of map, for example. 01:13 mauvebic i *know* that 01:13 VanessaE but my fps will drop through the floor when I display it 01:13 VanessaE all 01:13 mauvebic optimise to load more with same hardware 01:13 mauvebic thats optifine 01:14 mauvebic look if ya'll dont get it i cant explain it better than that so lets move on lol 01:14 VanessaE heh 01:15 mauvebic well i cant afford to go out and keep buying ram for minetest 01:15 * kaeza wonders if MT will run on his PII @ 333MHz... 01:16 kaeza I've seen the server does not use much resources 01:16 kaeza about 15MB with only vanilla game 01:16 Exio mauvebic: hahahahaha 01:17 Exio optifine makes, in my experience, only "make it look" faster 01:17 * us_0gb is back 01:18 Exio well, good wording 01:18 kaeza wb 01:18 kaeza Exio, you're englisch soocks 01:19 Exio yes 01:19 Exio i spik gud englicsh 01:21 mauvebic well christ most modern games still work with 3-4 gbs :P its only here i hear about 14+ gigs lol 01:23 mauvebic though, i think i must be one of the few who gets top FPS and uncorrupted maps :P 01:23 sokomine kaeza: wow! a draw distance of 1000 would be great. i'm afraid loading the terraion would take too long :-( 01:23 kaeza quite so 01:24 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone got a good mod 01:24 jojoa1997|Tablet that isnt common 01:24 mauvebic no, they all suck 01:24 ShadowNinja kaeza: about the irc bug, look in 0gb.us's channel 01:24 mauvebic (be more specific :P) 01:24 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, see cornernote's air sword 01:25 jojoa1997|Tablet link 01:25 kaeza oh crap got deleted :( 01:25 jojoa1997|Tablet corner note needs to come back 01:25 kaeza it was the bestest mod of all the world 01:25 Exio lol? 01:25 Exio air sword? 01:25 mauvebic cornernote did write alot of original, i thought i saw him on here recently? 01:26 mauvebic though it could just be one of those guys that takes a name they heard mentionned lol 01:26 jojoa1997|Tablet he was 01:26 VanessaE yeah, he stopped by a few days ago 01:26 mauvebic i know i saw his github was back up 01:26 jojoa1997|Tablet he updated mods? 01:26 mauvebic no his recent work was on another game 01:26 mauvebic or project, but it sounded like a game 01:26 jojoa1997|Tablet what did it do? 01:27 sokomine i was wondering recently if it might help if terrain beneath the ground level (ok, the question is what "ground level" would be) would not be loaded unless you are beneath ground...all those caves are not particulary intresting. when moving around and trying to load large areas, there's a lot of mineshafts and caves which are not at all intresting 01:27 mauvebic disable the caves? 01:27 mauvebic the only flags i use is flat and v6, blazing fast mapgen 01:27 NakedFury I think he means only load the visible part of the chunk that was loaded 01:28 mauvebic then youd lag everytime you move 01:29 mauvebic you could always remove the underground completely, have a few node levels of grass and rock and bedrock 01:29 sokomine hm. admittedly a mc classic world *does* load faster. a couple of minutes for a 512x512 map are common there. though when viewing the whole map (or at least further than to the other side of the street), fps drop dramaticly. of course mc classic does not have as much to show as mt has 01:30 sokomine yes, that would be an option for my own maps 01:30 mauvebic well only because you have to install the mods we now provide as default 01:30 sokomine especially removing caves sounds like a very good idea 01:30 mauvebic i though of that short ground layer thing when i wanted to do layered worlds 01:30 Exio i see the new mapgen very very fast versus before 01:31 sokomine oh yes. and the generated map is very nice 01:31 VanessaE Exio: and it's about to get another substantial speed boost soon 01:31 sokomine the better the game gets, the more wishes there will be :) 01:31 Exio VanessaE: for what? 01:31 VanessaE streamlining the lighting issues hmmmm has spoken of 01:31 Exio (in what part, exactly) 01:31 Exio ah 01:32 hmmmm well for tree placement 01:32 mauvebic is that gonna fix the unfortunate shadow and bright spots? 01:32 VanessaE mauvebic: dunno. 01:32 VanessaE hmmmm: right. 01:32 mauvebic lighting aint really fixed if that still happens 01:32 kaeza wasn't that caused by cavegen? 01:32 mauvebic naw i get it on flat maps just as much 01:33 VanessaE hmmmm: and then the issues you've discussed with the engine just stopping and sitting on its thumbs for no apparent reason 01:33 hmmmm fried rice, mmmmmm http://i.imgur.com/eKTvyMy.jpg 01:33 VanessaE mmmmmmmmmmm 01:33 VanessaE but wtf? 01:33 VanessaE I take back the 'mmm' 01:33 mauvebic thats gross 01:33 mauvebic jesus i just had dinner lol 01:33 hmmmm that's chinese food 01:34 jojoa1997|Tablet map request 01:34 mauvebic thank god we get the fake stuff here then 01:35 jojoa1997|Tablet someone make an adventure map with mesecons and mobf 01:35 jojoa1997|Tablet mobf for mean mobs 01:35 sokomine it's for friendly animals that give you milk, wool and eggs 01:36 Kacey back 01:36 mauvebic yeah now i got two suggestions for animals, mobf and simplemobs lol 01:36 mauvebic is there any way to know how much ram a specific mod takes up (not the whole client) 01:37 sokomine jojoa: i've been working a bit on mobf-based npc that can sit and sleep in beds. it works to a degree. the "collusion detection" is not very satisfactory, and for some other things i'd best talk to sapier 01:37 sdzen this it what happens when you ask for something mauvebic, they send you to something else 01:37 jordan4ibanez Jeija: When you read the log (hopefully) I have an idea, the sticky pistons could have another addition: magnet pistons, which pushes all objects around a 3 radius of the piston 01:37 mauvebic lol well technically i asked for something new and its probly going to devolve into one of those my api is better threads lol 01:37 sokomine try mobf :-) it works well for that purpose. and if not - complain to sapier :) 01:37 mauvebic maybe i should just mix both and trim the fat 01:38 mauvebic i did and i have lol 01:38 sokomine just rm -rf everything that is not a natural animal 01:38 mauvebic the whole thing lags even when i spawn just one animal 01:39 mauvebic it doesnt matter how many declarations you have if none of them are running in the present chunk 01:39 sokomine hm. that sounds strange 01:39 mauvebic mobf is nice and complete, but id have to remove everything else i like 01:39 sokomine what is your hardware? 01:39 mauvebic 3gb dualcore + ATi 01:39 mauvebic then 2gb monocore P4 + nvidia 01:39 jojoa1997|Tablet so when will farming be added to common 01:39 mauvebic then 1gb atom N450 with integrated video crap 01:40 mauvebic i never use the netbook for minetest since the trackpad settings completely suck 01:40 Exio "dualcore" 01:40 sokomine hm 01:40 Exio that doesn't mean anything 01:40 jojoa1997|Tablet idea 01:40 mauvebic if it didn't mean anything why would they print it? 01:40 mauvebic they have laws about false advetising here 01:40 Exio alone, it doesn't mean anything 01:41 Exio say, the cpu type, ghz of it, amd? intel? 01:41 Exio what generation? 01:41 Exio etc 01:41 mauvebic just so i understand, you're denying the existence of multiple cores or ? 01:41 mauvebic i think the newest one is an AMD 01:41 Exio no, but saying dual core alone doesn't mean something exactly 01:41 Exio you can have 8 cores in AMD or 1 core + 1 thread in intel 01:41 mauvebic im not a brandwhore, i read the specs 01:42 Exio so, you understand me 01:42 mauvebic i mean im not stupid i know most of the parts come from the same factories ol 01:42 Exio hm, ok 01:43 mauvebic ok remember when they had that big flood and hard drives went up overnight? 01:44 mauvebic thats why they offshore, its cheaper, production is concentrated, and alot of the differences are mostly marketing/labelling 01:44 mauvebic ive bought expensive brand name computers thinking they would last, boy was i wrong lol 01:44 mauvebic better off buying cheap and building up 01:44 Exio mauvebic: are you saying AMD == intel? 01:45 Exio or what the hell? 01:45 mauvebic im saying in the grand scheme of things, im not more or less impressed by the brand name 01:45 Exio AMD is not a brand name, is who design the cpu 01:46 Exio like intel with their CPUs, and ati, and nvidia, etc 01:46 Exio i'm talking about dell or hp 01:46 Exio i'm talking about the hardware 01:46 mauvebic weather its a company, brand name, model, etc.. 01:46 Exio then, you know less hardware than me 01:47 mauvebic felicitations 01:47 Exio and i don't know a shit about it 01:47 jordan4ibanez you guys wanna see something unnesesary? 01:47 Exio you? 01:47 mauvebic like when people try to flash their iphones in front of me, makes lol outloud 01:47 Exio nah :3 01:47 jordan4ibanez it has to do with pistons 01:48 mauvebic inflatable dolls? :p 01:48 Exio mauvebic: there is a difference, the only thing what is shared between AMD and Intel in their CPUs is the intruction set 01:48 jojoa1997|Tablet mauvbics head 01:48 jojoa1997|Tablet mauvebics head 01:48 * Sketch2 needs rest. going to the 'rez. maybe do some fishin' 01:49 mauvebic quality isn't a permanent thing tho 01:49 * jojoa1997|Tablet puts some bait on Sketch2's head 01:49 mauvebic ive seen it go up and down 01:49 mauvebic emachines made crap computers in the 90s 01:49 mauvebic in the 2000's they learned from it 01:49 mauvebic and sometimes things you expected to meet your quality standards fall far short 01:49 Exio i'm not talking about the same thing 01:49 Sketch2 reminds me of when I put spaghetti on my kittens head long ago 01:49 Exio AMD doesn't make computers, they make CPUs 01:50 mauvebic not new to me 01:50 mauvebic *news 01:50 Sketch2 I think there's a few AMD motherboards 01:50 Exio ok, so tell me what is the *direct* relation between emachins and AMD in this case? 01:50 mauvebic point is no matter how much people like to emphasize the quality of one brand over another, no one can predict if it will be the same with next years' models' 01:50 Exio mauvebic: i'm not saying that, but a intel atom / dual core / 01:51 Exio will not perform as a phenom 2 dual core, or anything 01:51 mauvebic i didn't say there was a direct correlation, i was citing an example of quality never being the same 01:51 mauvebic atom aint in the same ballpark at all obviously, or any laptop processor 01:51 mauvebic not the kind of stuff you'd wanna do video editing/3d stuff with lol 01:52 Exio the intel atom is not a laptop processor only 01:52 mauvebic another indirect example is how the quality of ubuntu has gone down the toilets in the last two years 01:52 Sketch2 dunno, not a biggie. primarily CPU's / graphics cards. know they dip into other realms of technology 01:52 Sketch2 see ya 01:53 mauvebic ten years ago i had an IBM, damn capacitors leaked all over the mobo and fried the thing lol 01:54 mauvebic of course i had an inkling something was wrong when an LSD-like pattern came up on the screen 01:54 jojoa1997|Tablet Poll whT IS THE BEST TEXTURE PACK YOU CANNOT SAY YOUR OWN 01:54 jojoa1997|Tablet oh sorry caps 01:54 mauvebic my own 01:54 jojoa1997|Tablet and that means you vanessae 01:54 mauvebic lol 01:54 jojoa1997|Tablet mauvebic you have default 01:55 mauvebic no idont lol 01:55 mauvebic i remade them a month ago 01:55 mauvebic made clay look like clay, stuff like that lol 01:55 mauvebic *though, if you make people chose another, theyre just as likely to pick a random one :p 01:56 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: HDX. ;) 01:57 mauvebic example of my texs http://www.zimg.eu/i/2261003110 01:58 mauvebic its not a radical departure but its not quite 16-pixel blandness either 01:58 mauvebic 16 pixel just doesnt make sense when most of your mods are using 32~64px 01:58 jojoa1997|Tablet haha 01:58 jojoa1997|Tablet i cant even see that 01:59 mauvebic lemme try and find another one (i rarely take pictures of the mapgen itself lol) 01:59 kaeza jordan4ibanez's 1px completely random tex pack is da best :D 01:59 jordan4ibanez lol! 01:59 jordan4ibanez kaeza I think you're going to love what I'm doing! 01:59 jojoa1997|Tablet i have the best pack 01:59 mauvebic ah! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75827#p75827 02:00 jojoa1997|Tablet it is 1x and 1600x 02:00 jojoa1997|Tablet it is 0x 02:00 mauvebic lol 02:00 jojoa1997|Tablet every pixel is cleared 02:00 jojoa1997|Tablet it is called deleted common 02:00 mauvebic so no matter which invsible nodes you craft, youll get another invisble node lol 02:01 jojoa1997|Tablet also i get infinite flying down without fly priv 02:02 kaeza HAH! just got me an idea for a new mod! 02:02 mauvebic [mod][nihilism] no dependencies, no nodes, no crafts, no docs 02:02 mauvebic lol 02:02 jojoa1997|Tablet i will release it 02:02 jojoa1997|Tablet done now every can get it 02:03 jojoa1997|Tablet i will give download link 02:03 mauvebic 404 lol 02:03 jojoa1997|Tablet www.github.com/jojoa1997/free.zip 02:03 jojoa1997|Tablet there 02:04 jojoa1997|Tablet gtg cya 02:05 mauvebic im curious about one thing, how could they cancel a show like Jericho yet keep the Walking Dead (Snooze) 02:06 mauvebic after the 100th monologue you kinda hope they do get eaten up by zombies lol 02:07 VanessaE no clue 02:08 VanessaE jericho was a good show, but that was years ago. 02:10 mauvebic i just watched the whole thing up until last night 02:10 mauvebic insomnia's getting out of hand lol 02:10 jordan4ibanez You know what 02:10 mauvebic ? 02:11 jordan4ibanez minetest shouldn't print out the debug log for errors on screen, it should print it out in a text document in the minetest folder, regaurdless if debug.txt is enabled 02:11 mauvebic i suppose there must be a verbosity setting somewhere? 02:11 jordan4ibanez and it should print ("read debug text") 02:12 mauvebic they fixed the spamchat from superfluous entities 02:12 mauvebic the only time i still get debug on screen is when i typo a nodename on multinode 02:13 jordan4ibanez Good! 02:13 mauvebic though even then add_node should just return nil when the node doesnt exist 02:13 mauvebic without the output 02:14 jordan4ibanez And also: I made it so pistons can push entities and players, now I just have to make it so they can push (and pull) entities without a node being pushed also 02:14 mauvebic how does it decide what it should push (node, entity, player) 02:14 jordan4ibanez it doesn't, it pushes ERRYTING! 02:15 jordan4ibanez I made a slime mob trap with it, it was st00pid but funny 02:16 NakedFury pistons are pushers. they dont differentiate what to push 02:16 mauvebic i wouldnt know i dont run mesecons 02:16 jordan4ibanez it's helpful for farms and stuff 02:16 mauvebic how? 02:17 jordan4ibanez you can make item elevators 02:17 mauvebic i have an elevator 02:17 mauvebic its the boat with a different nodebox/texture 02:17 mauvebic and up and down instead of sideways 02:17 jordan4ibanez No, a cool mechanical one, that works like an engine, and it just puts a smile on your face to see that much work going into pushing an item to a higher level 02:17 jordan4ibanez this is also good for making player escelators 02:18 mauvebic well i have to side with pilzadam on that, it is a voxel game after all :p 02:18 jordan4ibanez brb, I'll make one to show you :3 02:19 mauvebic problem is its not practical to lay wires everywhere when the minimum size of each node is 1m 02:19 mauvebic how do you wire a whole house that way to control the lights? 02:19 mauvebic it would look awful 02:19 mauvebic thats why i went wireless early on 02:19 mauvebic can still control, just dont need to hook em up physically 02:19 jordan4ibanez Also I found another cool thing with mesecons 02:20 jordan4ibanez I call this a circumlock 02:20 mauvebic circumference lock or curcimsi... lock? 02:20 mauvebic damn spelling 02:20 mauvebic lol 02:20 mauvebic you know what i mean 02:21 mauvebic my farm actually makes heavy use of pipes for irrigation, and more trees w/o the abms' an on-generated spawning for orchards 02:22 mauvebic water plant is at the other end of town, water mains underground installed along all the sewers 02:22 mauvebic ive thought of adding counters, since they would work in this case 02:22 mauvebic *meters not counters lol 02:29 NakedFury http://www.blockaderunnergame.com/news/tabid/149/EntryId/331/New-Video-Powerline-Demonstation-March-25th.aspx 02:29 NakedFury in that video is how I wish mesecons were 02:31 mauvebic checking it out 02:33 mauvebic what are the main differences? 02:33 NakedFury what I meant was that the powerlines are place inside the blocks instead of taking its complete space 02:34 NakedFury more compact 02:34 mauvebic i pointed that out earlier hehe 02:34 NakedFury and totally different from a clone of redstone 02:34 mauvebic that range thing 02:34 mauvebic im doing with pipeworks + plasma 02:34 mauvebic these computer terminals you plug into pipes, powers things within a certain range 02:34 mauvebic but only if its plasma flowing 02:35 mauvebic terminal + pipes full of water wont do jack 02:35 mauvebic as for passing wires inside nodes, i had an idea on that last night 02:35 mauvebic but it wouldnt work for mesecons 02:35 mauvebic they have on and off nodes of everthing 02:35 mauvebic so unless you want to double your inventory... lol 02:36 NakedFury but it would have been nice anyway 02:36 NakedFury different totally original 02:36 mauvebic the nearest equivilent might be invisible signlike nodes you place on top of the node thats supposed to contain the hidden wire 02:37 mauvebic youd only need two of those (on , off) 02:38 Psychotic So is minetest ever gonna get SEUS like shaders? 02:38 NakedFury the game would need some heavy c++ work to allow to have mesecon inside nodes without problem? 02:39 NakedFury seus shaders? 02:39 mauvebic naw i just said it could probly be done with invisible signlike nodes 02:39 NakedFury Sonic Ether's Unbelievable Shaders = seus ok got it 02:39 Exio fucking freenode 02:39 mauvebic the current would actually be passing inside the node, but thats a mental difference, not a technical one lol 02:40 Exio NakedFury: i've tried yesterday with things like that 02:40 mauvebic seus = suce (french) = sucks? lol 02:40 Exio but the thing is, the shader support is pretty basic, and nobody will work on/with/whatever it 02:40 Exio (i'd if i knew) 02:40 mauvebic well who added the sahders then? lol 02:41 Exio c55 02:41 Exio there was some "POC" by jeija for adding stuff 02:41 Psychotic So the likelyhood of SEUS being added is very low? 02:41 mauvebic if were ever gonna get ambient and colored light, then ittl have to be through the shaders (i think, or was told) 02:41 Exio Psychotic: probably 02:41 mauvebic more shaders doesnt seem to be top priority right now (and i agree) 02:42 Psychotic Wow. why the hell not? 02:42 mauvebic because theres a laundry list of bugs that needs to be dealt with? 02:42 mauvebic before screwing around more with the graphics 02:42 Psychotic i know that. 02:42 mauvebic well then, you have the answer :P 02:43 NakedFury the source people are working on bug fixing before taking on shaders and all those nice things 02:43 mauvebic nodebox texture flickering seems to have been there since nodeboxes were introduced lol 02:44 mauvebic while shaders are nice, what we have is enough for now :P when i talk about ambient and colored lights, its more of a wishlist thing, nobody really expects it soon 02:44 Psychotic Would the lag be considered a bug, and maybe the code can be worked on to make the lag less horrible 02:44 mauvebic lag, difficulty connecting 02:44 Psychotic Lag as in server 02:44 mauvebic it doesnt matter how nice it looks if no one can come see :p 02:44 Psychotic Cause mito has a decent connection, and a good cpu 02:44 Exio I need to review the shader stuff, I'd like to see "a SEUS-like" shader for MT 02:44 mauvebic if you can implement it well all encourage you :-) 02:44 RealBadAngel hi all 02:45 * kaeza pokes Exio to add mirrors 02:45 NakedFury hi 02:45 mauvebic howdy 02:45 Exio xD 02:45 kaeza hai RBA 02:45 Exio I just said I will review it! 02:45 Exio hey RealBadAngel 02:45 mauvebic no hurry :P 02:46 RealBadAngel i just made something that was supposed to done long time ago, since begginins of technic 02:46 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/3DcYLlz.jpg 02:46 mauvebic fences? 02:46 RealBadAngel concrete posts :) 02:47 mauvebic ah, but doesnt moreblocks have concrete with a ton of shapes or? 02:47 mauvebic i know someone madea concrete highway divider, im still looking for that nodebox lol 02:47 mauvebic K-rails i think theyre called? 02:48 NakedFury did you also do full on concrete fence doors? 02:48 NakedFury or will you mix it to be concrete+metal fence doors 02:48 mauvebic ugh the unknown item texture should just be replaced with a big '?' lol 02:48 RealBadAngel those are posts not fences 02:48 RealBadAngel they work quite different 02:48 mauvebic could make bunkers with that 02:48 mauvebic first impression i got actually, 02:49 mauvebic look liked one of those ww2 style beach bunkers 02:49 RealBadAngel also when something will be put on them (other than concrete) they will form platforms 02:49 jordan4ibanez this is what I was talking about 02:49 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/IUVi_Aiqw9o 02:50 mauvebic why do the wires disapear? 02:51 mauvebic new place sounds? 02:51 mauvebic sounds like my paysage drop with lots of echo lol 02:54 jordan4ibanez no, I was double recording sounds on accident, but I was too lazy to go back and fix it 02:54 jordan4ibanez and what wires? they don't dissapear 02:54 mauvebic the wires seemed to move /go 02:55 jordan4ibanez oh wit the pistons? 02:55 jordan4ibanez with* 02:57 mauvebic not sure 02:57 mauvebic i thought i saw the wire move or disapear 03:00 jojoa1997|Tablet does anyone know where i can see the todo features for minetest 03:00 jojoa1997|Tablet it was posted earlier 03:00 jojoa1997|Tablet a link i mean 03:00 mauvebic that was a todo list for the mapgen tho 03:00 jojoa1997|Tablet it was the dev wiki 03:00 jojoa1997|Tablet could you give me the link 03:00 jordan4ibanez realbadangel 03:00 jordan4ibanez want to try something nifty 03:01 mauvebic oh jesus how long ago was that posted? lol 03:01 RealBadAngel what? 03:01 mauvebic im sure someone knows it off the top of their heads 03:01 jordan4ibanez pistons pull/pushing objects 03:01 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone? 03:02 jojoa1997|Tablet http://dev.minetest.net/TODO 03:02 RealBadAngel jordan4ibanez, you mean entities not the nodes, right? 03:02 jordan4ibanez yes 03:02 jordan4ibanez and players 03:02 RealBadAngel shouldnt be that hard 03:02 jordan4ibanez no, I already made it, do you want to try it? 03:02 mauvebic ever had this nightmare? http://www.zimg.eu/i/3911292056 03:02 RealBadAngel ah so :) sure 03:02 jordan4ibanez http://pastie.org/pastes/7251144/text?key=ijfpv6jknelyihmylb4uq 03:03 jordan4ibanez replace... 03:03 jordan4ibanez mesecons_mvps init.lua with that 03:03 jordan4ibanez jeija's going to love it 03:06 jordan4ibanez the up/down isn't complete though, it will push you up if you are close to it wether or not your on it 03:06 jordan4ibanez I forgot to add the return instead of break before I pastied 03:09 RealBadAngel works quite nice 03:09 RealBadAngel cool thingy 03:11 jojoa1997|Tablet so now we can push entities off a cliff 03:11 jojoa1997|Tablet players here i come 03:12 mauvebic piston + firearms = useful for dumping dead entities in a ditch lol :p 03:12 jordan4ibanez that's actually a really good idea 03:12 jojoa1997|Tablet piston+turrent 03:13 jojoa1997|Tablet oh 03:13 * jojoa1997|Tablet has an idea 03:13 mauvebic though thats getting pretty close to innapropriate lol 03:13 jordan4ibanez I'm going to be making water push entities and players after this also, so you could make a piston push the dead mob into a water channel and dump them into the ocean xD 03:13 jojoa1997|Tablet have firearms stands that hold guns and when powered by mesecons they shoot 03:13 mauvebic lol jordan made turrets a while back methinks 03:14 mauvebic i crossed the turret code and NPC code to make NPC's that shoot at you (moving targets) 03:14 jojoa1997|Tablet what mod? 03:14 mauvebic dont know if i ever released it 03:15 mauvebic its a tremendous pain in the ass to maintain the few threads i have lol 03:15 mauvebic codings' fun tho 03:16 jojoa1997|Tablet can you give me a download 03:16 mauvebic jesus let me see if istill have it lol 03:16 mauvebic i think i called em terminators 03:17 jojoa1997|Tablet you should have one modpack that releases every mod you have made 03:17 mauvebic i do but then people bitch to split them up 03:17 jojoa1997|Tablet you dont have to explain just have an frequently updated link 03:17 jojoa1997|Tablet or 03:17 mauvebic and when thats done people bitch that half my threads dont conform, so im like fuck it 03:18 jojoa1997|Tablet or you could just have a thread that has a link for each mod 03:18 jordan4ibanez Oh gosh 03:18 mauvebic could be confusing since i still have to pick one thread name to represent them all 03:18 jordan4ibanez I want to pull request this 03:18 jojoa1997|Tablet and tell them it is just for release purpoeses and you will ignore all posts 03:18 jordan4ibanez but I don't want to make Bremaweb's pull look like shit 03:18 jojoa1997|Tablet Mauvebic's Mod Archive 03:19 jojoa1997|Tablet there i made it 03:19 mauvebic its not the people im trying to ignore ;) 03:19 mauvebic shiite, found the turret, not the terminator, still looking 03:21 mauvebic ahh found it 03:22 mauvebic one of the rare occasions where never cleaning home is useful lol 03:23 mauvebic please dont archive my mods though 03:24 mauvebic i reserve the right to control distribution :P see PM for link 03:25 mauvebic dont remember who but someone stuck em all on github at some point and i wasn't happy about that either 03:25 mauvebic and github does DMCA's 03:26 jojoa1997|Tablet Mauvebic I mean you archive them 03:26 jojoa1997|Tablet Not me 03:26 mauvebic i have a website that im in the process of updating :p 03:26 jojoa1997|Tablet Make a topic with just download links and the mod names 03:26 mauvebic all the screenshots, links, etc. in one place 03:26 jojoa1997|Tablet Oh OK will it have most of the mods 03:26 jojoa1997|Tablet Link please 03:26 mauvebic website will have all of them, right now has 1 month old mm2 03:27 jojoa1997|Tablet Link 03:27 mauvebic https://sites.google.com/site/mauvemods/ 03:28 mauvebic still working out the dependency tree for 2.8 03:28 mauvebic trying to stick to one or two max 03:28 mauvebic once thats done no one can complain about megamods or how i format my own site 03:28 jojoa1997|Tablet Bed time cya 03:29 mauvebic ciao 03:29 jordan4ibanez https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/pull/86 BADABOOMBOPBEEPBOPBOOP! 03:30 khonkhortisan Can I autobury items now? 03:30 jordan4ibanez probably, I still need to make the mesecons hopper 03:31 jordan4ibanez so that the pistons update will have something to push the items into 03:31 jordan4ibanez and dispensers 03:32 jordan4ibanez hoppers will be easy, dispensers too, but I know there's going to be that one person: "YOU'RE JUST COPYING MIENKRAFTIENHEIN! OMG WTF N0000000000B3R!!1!!!one!!!!!!eleven" 03:33 NakedFury honesty hurts 03:34 jordan4ibanez I had the hopper idea and said it in the irc a couple months ago 03:34 jordan4ibanez wait a second 03:34 jordan4ibanez I did say that a couple months ago 03:34 jordan4ibanez before minecraft 1.4 was released 03:39 sdzen achievement get: get ideas stolen by minecraft 03:41 jordan4ibanez wow 03:41 jordan4ibanez this is all of my wut 03:41 mauvebic lol i dont get this 03:41 mauvebic people ask for MC features 03:41 mauvebic people bitch about MC features 03:42 mauvebic even if the ideas aren't stolen from MC, most of the rest is stolen from other MT 03:42 mauvebic *other MT mos 03:42 mauvebic *mods 03:42 mauvebic its a very very slim portion of stuff thats actually original 03:44 jordan4ibanez If you haven't noticed mauvebic a portion of the community consists of trolls/stupid people 03:44 mauvebic i know and its not just limited to the noobs/kids lol 03:44 jordan4ibanez or people who just argue for the sake of arguing 03:44 jordan4ibanez I know, because I was one of those people, now I'm just crazy xD 03:45 mauvebic yeah well you just reach a point where you tell anyone who bitches to fuck off lol 03:45 khonkhortisan I argue poorly when I'm not arguing my side 03:45 mauvebic not giving a shit is every cdn/american's god given right lol 03:46 mauvebic dont know about places i never went to tho 03:46 khonkhortisan unless you're required to be a samaritan 03:47 jordan4ibanez Man I was able to code it so that players and stuff could be moved around with pistons.. 03:47 mauvebic good samaritan law? 03:47 jordan4ibanez but I'm making a piston escelator, and it's already a horribly timed, messy, piece of fucking shit 03:47 khonkhortisan yeah, you can get in trouble for not giving a shit 03:48 khonkhortisan You can ride a node while it moves? 03:49 mauvebic apart from knowing CPR, which i dont, the only thing youre required to do here is flag for help 03:49 mauvebic though, personally, i try to not make myself witness to anything 03:49 mauvebic call the cops for help they're just as likely to take YOU in 03:49 mauvebic i mean cmon if they were smart they wouldnt be cops 03:50 khonkhortisan heh 03:50 khonkhortisan Some of them like helping people, some of them like the power 03:50 jordan4ibanez your conversation is evolving 03:50 jordan4ibanez conversation evolved into debate! 03:51 jordan4ibanez an admin has entered the battle 03:51 jordan4ibanez admin used ban 03:52 jordan4ibanez conversation tried defend 03:52 jordan4ibanez ITS NO USE! 03:52 khonkhortisan pokémon 03:52 jordan4ibanez conversation has died 03:52 khonkhortisan conversation recommends replacing ban with kick 03:52 kaeza you have not enough badges! 03:53 jordan4ibanez dolan entered the match! 03:53 jordan4ibanez dolan used grammar 03:54 jordan4ibanez dolan fainted! 03:54 mauvebic some do like helping people, they just dont have the balls to speak up when theyre colleagues dont follow the rules, which is unfortunate for the whole force 03:54 kaeza jardon pls 03:54 mauvebic *their 03:55 kaeza best forum post evar! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80402#p80402 03:56 khonkhortisan that dropped me in the middle of the picture list 03:56 kaeza (the last post) 03:56 jordan4ibanez using L-corner insulated mesecon wire makes me feel like I'm playing pipe dream trying to navigate that shit in there 03:56 jojoa1997|Tablet Mauvebic 03:57 mauvebic insomnia? :p 03:57 jojoa1997|Tablet https://sites.google.com/site/mauvemods/home/nodex 03:57 mauvebic brb gotta mop up two more rooms 03:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Please add a linl 03:57 khonkhortisan it gets worse if you're in the air placing an insulated corner, you can't see the node behind you 03:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Link 03:57 mauvebic you dont want nodex 03:57 mauvebic it works with < 400 nodes 03:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Yes I wan mint 03:57 mauvebic beyond that you dont want it 03:57 jojoa1997|Tablet I don't have 400 nodea 03:58 mauvebic allright ill look it up after mopping up 03:58 jojoa1997|Tablet In my game 03:58 jojoa1997|Tablet Ok 03:58 mauvebic still got the PM window open 03:58 jojoa1997|Tablet You should release it even if you broke it with your modpack 03:58 jojoa1997|Tablet I have to go soon 03:58 jojoa1997|Tablet Like 3 min 03:58 jojoa1997|Tablet So send me a pm 03:59 jojoa1997|Tablet I think servers should use this but I won't release it 03:59 jojoa1997|Tablet If I leave before you find it forum pm me 03:59 NakedFury is there a piston that is inspired by magnets? metalic nodes get attracted by a magnet piston up to 2 spaces away or 3. repulsor pushes metallic nodes up to 3 spaces away 03:59 Exio hahaha, antialiasing 32 03:59 Exio = 21FPS 04:06 jojoa1997|Tablet Mauvebic can you send downlaod 04:08 jojoa1997|Tablet Brandon the stairway is how I travel in my mines 04:09 BrandonReese you use a hidden stairway in your mines? 04:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Yeah 04:09 BrandonReese cool 04:09 jojoa1997|Tablet I also push npcs and mobs into the staircase to bottom of mine 04:09 jojoa1997|Tablet So it is really funny 04:10 jojoa1997|Tablet Also it makes for easy jumping down and a way to climb up 04:11 jojoa1997|Tablet If you can have an off on switch that allows the player detectors to work then you have the perfect staircase for servers 04:11 BrandonReese You could use a switch and an AND gate so the switch and the player detector would both have to be active. 04:12 BrandonReese I just found out if you right click on a player detector you can enter a player name that can activate the detector 04:12 jojoa1997|Tablet Nice 04:17 RealBadAngel ok, finished concrete posts: http://i.imgur.com/9HOt0Kj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8jetpz0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/irAm0YJ.jpg 04:18 jordan4ibanez they look nice 04:18 jordan4ibanez good for railroads 04:18 jordan4ibanez *nudge nudge* 04:20 mauvebic now i gotta hold on to the cat while the floors dry lol 04:23 jordan4ibanez goodnight 04:40 * khonkhortisan = ␀ 04:40 mauvebic wtf is that? (too small) 04:41 khonkhortisan NUL 04:41 mauvebic jesus 04:41 khonkhortisan I think, ∴ I am. 04:41 mauvebic had to paste it in word lol 04:44 khonkhortisan I will gradually overload my compose key 04:45 mauvebic i still know all the Ctrl + number codes for french characters on windows, and its been more than ten years lol 04:55 mauvebic ugh, anyone else tired of hearing about north Korea? Jack Nicholson should go over there and tell 'em you dont add inches by making empty threats 04:55 Exio hmmmm: well, from here 04:55 khonkhortisan I only heard about it twice 04:55 Exio i just buy amd because the price and because i will not need to upgrade the whole mobo in some years :P 04:55 mauvebic in the papers here its every day now lol 04:56 khonkhortisan wb to this channel, hmmmm 04:56 hmmmm i heard they're moving away from AMD3 with Steamroller 04:56 hmmmm hi khonhortisan 04:56 hmmmm AM3 rather 04:56 mauvebic im beginning to know more about korean geography than my own country's lol 04:56 Exio AM3+? 04:56 hmmmm yeah 04:56 khonkhortisan mauvebic, http://xkcd.com/1079/ 04:56 NakedFury mauvebic korean dramas? 04:57 hmmmm they're supposed to unify the FM socket lineup and the AM socket lineup for the next generation 04:57 hmmmm i don't really think it's that bad to change sockets with every new generation of processor, because how often do you really upgrade the processor? 04:57 mauvebic typical crap lol our country sucks so lets blame another, of course in canada we dont have to do that, they blame my province lol 04:57 hmmmm maybe it matters for some hardcore enthusiasts who upgrade every second generation or so 04:58 Exio depends of the price of the new generation hmmmm :P 04:58 Exio that is why i don't have a vishera actually 04:58 hmmmm steamroller is supposed to be awesome 04:58 Exio "yes" 04:58 hmmmm you don't believe it? 04:58 Exio like amd normally :P 04:58 Exio their first gens are a full piece of plain shit 04:58 hmmmm no, totally serious 04:59 hmmmm they're really getting their stuff together 04:59 Exio (Phenom I, Phenom II) 04:59 VanessaE hey now 04:59 VanessaE my CPU is a phenom II 04:59 Exio yes, i trust that so 04:59 Exio your cpu is better than mine, actually 04:59 Exio unless i overclock this to 8 GHz 05:00 NakedFury mine is phenom 2...too 05:00 hmmmm they have some really cool things going for steamroller, like high density library, 28nm node, resonant clock mesh, double sized execution queue 05:01 Exio hmmmm: yep, i believe that, but i mean, like always, the first cpus of a "new gen" (as in, the bulldozers were a "complete rework" of the k10 phenom) == "slow" 05:01 Exio then, they get the stuff fixed and build a cpu what fixes most of that stuff 05:01 hmmmm "complete rework", more like "completely different chip" 05:01 Exio and is way better 05:01 hmmmm it was something totally different, in development since like 2005 05:01 Exio the module stuff is, imo, better than HT 05:02 hmmmm K10 on the other hand hasn't fundamentally changed since the Athlon XP days 05:02 Exio hehe 05:02 hmmmm and of course the module stuff is better 05:02 hmmmm they're much more like real cores 05:02 Exio more real cores, exactly 05:03 kaeza hory shet! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80405#p80405 05:03 hmmmm the only real similarities between HT and modules is that they're both not as good as real cores, and they both benefit from the same scheduling strategy 05:03 * VanessaE pokes kaeza with a mesecons wire. 05:03 hmmmm lol, ha ha 05:03 kaeza VanessaE, now I want a Mesecons kit >:D 05:03 hmmmm that's great 05:04 mauvebic thats one long-ass post lol 05:05 VanessaE mauvebic: fuck, that doesn't hold even a tiny spark of a candle to what used to be on my home decor page before I wiki-fied it :D 05:05 mauvebic i was gonna say :P you should wikify the post and turn each section into a stub :P (as a joke) 05:05 Exio hmmmm: what was the price for your actual xeon? 05:05 hmmmm $240 05:06 Exio here => i5 2310 05:06 mauvebic usd or? 05:07 Exio a bit more, 253USD for that i5 05:07 Exio yes, usd 05:07 mauvebic not bad 05:07 hmmmm that's not twice as much as the video cards, but still pretty bad 05:07 VanessaE jeez, that's a third of what my whole damn box cost. 05:07 VanessaE even my video card wasn't THAT much 05:07 mauvebic lol seriously i paid 300 for the newest computer too lol 05:07 hmmmm i made this computer for $397 05:07 Exio hmmmm: with 240 USD .. x8 8320 05:07 Exio this whole pc was 1000 USD 05:08 hmmmm yikes 05:08 mauvebic can get a decent nvidia card for round 80-100 05:08 mauvebic hesus 05:08 Exio cpu+mobo+psu+hdd+gpu+monitor 05:08 VanessaE around 700 here, but a significant chunk of that was my GPU + SSD. 05:08 mauvebic ahh sans the monitor how much? 05:08 Exio 21.5", it was 200 USD 05:08 mauvebic tabarnacle 05:08 hmmmm http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-560-Ti-1-GB-PCI-Video-Card-/121087461889 :/ 05:08 mauvebic i got a 25" for 110$ 05:09 hmmmm $145 for a GTX560Ti 05:09 mauvebic its weird how wildly prices vary from region to region even if it all comes from the same place lol 05:09 Exio err, sorry 05:09 Exio [02:09:21] <@nx> Exio: 258.75925 U.S. dollars 05:09 Exio my bot says 260 USD, not 200 05:10 VanessaE wow, that 560 gets pretty good marks 05:10 hmmmm yeah but i'm not getting a 560 because i don't want a fermi 05:10 hmmmm kepler at least can do 4 displays 05:10 VanessaE (I used passmark's numbers as my main guide + wikipedia for the hard info when shopping around originally) 05:10 hmmmm i want to be able to run all my monitors on a single card 05:11 mauvebic 4? dont you get migraines? lol 05:11 hmmmm no, 3 05:11 mauvebic 2's too much for me 05:11 VanessaE 2's enough for me, for now. 05:11 mauvebic well the LED one gives migraines 05:11 mauvebic ACL's not bright enough (and two years older) 05:11 VanessaE I might get a third some time or another. 05:12 VanessaE (I wonder how much performance I lose by using two monitors; I only ever run MT on one) 05:12 mauvebic though i got some relief when i was able to shift the LED' screen color temperature from hot to cold (blue) 05:12 mauvebic well take your video memory, and divide by the # screens 05:12 mauvebic if both at high resolution, and you still dont lag, then youre good 05:13 Exio with 1920x1080, actually, single mon, | 17% 172MB / 1023MB | 05:13 Exio 172 mb / 1gb with my gpu 05:14 mauvebic i prefer the 1920x1080 too, though alot of people bitch its too small? 05:14 mauvebic tiling window managers suddenly come in handy tho 05:15 hmmmm you get used to it because you use the space too inefficiently 05:15 hmmmm tiling window managers are really good for that, i guess, but i don't like it 05:16 mauvebic well i prefer xfce4, i just wish it was smart enough to tile windows automatically as win3.1 was lol 05:16 hmmmm i use xfce4 too 05:16 hmmmm there's so much that needs to be fixed..... 05:16 Exio i really prefer dwm - e17 - kde 05:16 Exio depends of what i want 05:16 mauvebic though, xfce4 + x-tiles/xtiles/x-tile wtv works out nicely 05:16 mauvebic xfce4's not as bad as it used to be 05:17 mauvebic you used to have like 3-4 different gui styles because they didn't blend 05:17 mauvebic that was eff-ugly 05:17 hmmmm more functionality-wise 05:17 mauvebic though gnome3 came along and thought, its not as bad lol 05:17 mauvebic whats missing? 05:17 hmmmm there are a lot of problems with multimonitor setups with xfce 05:17 mauvebic ahh 05:17 mauvebic i dont have all em hooked up to the same tower 05:17 hmmmm i gloss over the problems by having a separate screen on the left 05:18 VanessaE hmmmm: not really. 05:18 hmmmm but it's still broken 05:18 VanessaE I use xfce and it works perfectly. 05:18 mauvebic waiting for the P4 to go quietly into the night then ill plug the ACL as a 2nd to the hp 05:18 hmmmm do you have a screen to the left of your primary screen? 05:18 VanessaE no actually primary' 05:18 hmmmm primary monitor i mean 05:18 VanessaE no actually primary's on the left. 05:18 mauvebic might be overkill but did you try compiz, is it any better? 05:18 hmmmm yeah, see? 05:18 VanessaE or so syas amdcccle. 05:19 VanessaE however, it's worked fine the other way too. 05:19 hmmmm if your primary monitor was on the right, you'd see what i mean 05:19 VanessaE nope, I've done that before. no issues. 05:19 hmmmm the desktop icons go on the leftmost monitor 05:19 mauvebic im a lefty so the primary would always be on left lol 05:19 mauvebic though i can have the mouse on either side :/ 05:19 hmmmm is there a way to fix that? lol 05:19 hmmmm if there is that'd be awesome 05:19 VanessaE desktop...icons? Oh, you mean those icons I never use? ;) 05:19 hmmmm zz 05:20 Exio what is a deskto 05:20 Exio p 05:20 Exio >:D 05:20 hmmmm yes, desktop icons 05:20 hmmmm i use them all the time 05:20 Exio i got used to keybinds 05:20 mauvebic mapped Alt-F2 to windows key 05:20 mauvebic linux wasn't using it lol 05:20 VanessaE seriously though, I used to have the two monitors switched around in the past, they only got into this configuration because I relocated and ended up swapping them into the "right" layout. 05:21 VanessaE never had a problem with it. 05:21 hmmmm vanessa, you sure? 05:21 VanessaE yup 05:21 hmmmm 'cause that was what i was going to fix 05:21 hmmmm but then i got sucked into minetest 05:21 mauvebic you worked on xfce4 before? 05:21 hmmmm started to, yeah. 05:21 VanessaE if you like, I'll sign out real quick and swap 'em around just to double-check. 05:21 mauvebic ok so you dont just do games youve been into OS stuff, thats more hardcore lol 05:21 hmmmm nah it's okay 05:21 VanessaE ok 05:21 mauvebic well, OS/DE 05:21 hmmmm i am primarily into OS stuff actually 05:22 hmmmm i wrote my own OS even 05:22 hmmmm it supports the finest virtual hardware 05:22 hmmmm all of the latest virtualized PIIX3 chipsets 05:22 mauvebic no wonder you prefer C++ :P i absolutely hate looking at OS code lol 05:22 hmmmm ha ha, just kidding 05:22 hmmmm it doesn't even support PIIX3 chipsets 05:23 mauvebic lol well some people are crazy enough to do it 05:23 hmmmm i got bored with that project when i got to implementing networking 05:23 hmmmm so now it's just sitting there like a turd 05:24 hmmmm i did do a game before, but it was an NES game 05:24 hmmmm that was really frustrating because it was so hard to debug 05:24 mauvebic everytime i filed a bug report for and they told me to fix, i was like "not by the hairs of my chiny-chin-chin" lol 05:24 mauvebic *fix it 05:24 mauvebic how can they even assume that most users would want to lol :/ 05:25 hmmmm i guess they figure everybody around them is a developer 05:25 hmmmm i fall into that mindset a lot of the time 05:25 mauvebic but the vast majority of linux users seems to be people who want to get away from DRM/excessive control and malware 05:26 mauvebic its kinda self-contradictory that some dists keep a bug tracker if people are expected to fix it themselves tho 05:27 mauvebic why report it then, just push the fix lol 05:27 hmmmm true 05:28 mauvebic still i have to applaud the arch devs they dont fuck around long with bugs 05:28 mauvebic not like 'buntu where they basically ignore you and it 05:28 mauvebic and lock the thread and close the bug report lol 05:28 mauvebic bad publicity and all 05:29 hmmmm arch tells gives a big "F U" for the rest of the package though 05:29 VanessaE mauvebic: which is truly sad, it was a core part of the Ubuntu philosophy that users must never be ignored or disregarded. 05:29 hmmmm i mean, signed packages? F U 05:29 mauvebic doesnt pacman sign packages now? 05:29 mauvebic i remember having to key init the last few times 05:29 hmmmm you want an installer? whoops, it's broken, now we have you install it yourself for more control and flexibility because we're hardcore like that 05:29 hmmmm does it? *shrug* 05:29 mauvebic well i cant get by with arch's installer 05:29 mauvebic Mint's never recognized my second drive 05:30 mauvebic and then, switch between calling the hdb and hda all the time, so 1/2 times it wouldnt boot at all lol 05:30 Exio [02:28:14] still i have to applaud the arch devs they dont fuck around long with bugs 05:30 hmmmm i hope FreeBSD gets an installer update soon, i like using ZFS but i don't like having to install it all on my own 05:30 Exio arch packages aren't tested 05:30 mauvebic one thing arch devs do is replace vital components without checking what it breaks lol 05:30 hmmmm like me 05:31 Exio xD 05:31 mauvebic meh, even with my mods i used to be terrible with backwards-compat lol 05:31 mauvebic so i cant blame arch for that 05:31 mauvebic not without being a hypocrite at least lol 05:31 Exio in terms of rolling release i prefer gentoo for that 05:31 mauvebic usually before performing major updates i burn the latest image just in case lol 05:32 mauvebic better safe 05:32 mauvebic though im beginning to think i need something even lighter for the p4 05:33 Exio gentoo or netbsd 05:33 mauvebic gentoo is lighter than arch? 05:33 hmmmm i put Lubuntu on a laptop with a mobile willamette celeron 05:33 hmmmm it just works and it's light 05:34 hmmmm pretty satisfied 05:34 Exio it depends, what USE flags are you going to use mauvebic? 05:34 mauvebic i basically only play movies and tv off the p4 and the core is mostly always above temp threshold 05:34 mauvebic youll have to explain those to me lol 05:34 mauvebic i just follow the installer 05:34 Exio ehm... 05:35 Exio there is no a "installer" like you may think in gentoo 05:35 mauvebic what about puppy? can i get the latest VLC with that? 05:35 Exio no idea 05:35 mauvebic portage, dont know that one 05:35 mauvebic like pacman or more like synaptic? 05:36 Exio but why the hell you want the super-lastest version of the programs with a super-older cpu? 05:36 mauvebic for the codecs mostly 05:36 Exio mauvebic: emerge? 05:36 mauvebic emerge? 05:36 Exio portage alone is not the "interface" 05:36 mauvebic ok so like pacman sortof 05:37 mauvebic i was too used to synaptic so when i had to use pacman i hated it lol but now i find it faster and easier than bother with a GUI 05:37 mauvebic and synaptic is crap at resolving different versions of the same dep 05:37 mauvebic forcing you to chose which app you want more lol 05:39 Exio synaptic is an interface to pacman 05:39 Exio s/pacman/apt 05:39 Exio wtf i wrote, outside that 05:39 mauvebic well apt sucks then 05:39 Exio apt doesn't suck when used properly 05:39 mauvebic system upgrades were the bloody worst 05:39 Exio it forces you to have something what should work 05:40 mauvebic one package gets update, then you get dependency problem, this cant be installed without the right version of that, and bang, broken system lol 05:40 Exio you are doing it wrong 05:40 mauvebic it was an autopilot 05:40 mauvebic apart from clicking 'Upgrade" theres not much you can do wrong 05:42 mauvebic this got me banned from 'buntu forums lol: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1524082922 05:43 NakedFury why? 05:43 mauvebic lol why do you think? 05:43 NakedFury anti meme policy or truth hurts? 05:43 mauvebic dont wanna use the f work, but theyre a bunch of fascists lol 05:43 Exio trolling probably 05:43 mauvebic doubtful 05:44 mauvebic i was always more help than theyre own people were 05:44 mauvebic *helpful 05:44 mauvebic but they dont wanna hear anything they dont like 05:44 mauvebic kinda like how the slightest mention of an MC feature gets people riled up here 05:45 hmmmm just fyi, i want enchantments and XP 05:46 hmmmm eventually 05:46 mauvebic how would XP be calculated, nodes places, dug and crafted (some sort of formula) 05:46 hmmmm the RPG element is just another addition to the whole "building things up" theme of the game 05:46 hmmmm perhaps, but i'm thinking mobs 05:46 mauvebic hm, pvp XP 05:47 mauvebic still, some sort of building XP or honor system wouldn't suck either 05:47 hmmmm i need to check out mobs for myself and see how slow they really are 05:47 mauvebic its bad lol 05:47 hmmmm :/ 05:47 hmmmm maybe i can make it better, who knows 05:47 hmmmm but without mobs, minetest is sort of lifeless 05:47 mauvebic hopefully, might end the eternal debate about them once and for all 05:48 NakedFury you are right hmmmm 05:48 mauvebic animals should be in default, but not in it's present form 05:48 hmmmm indeed 05:49 mauvebic though everyone's kinda stalled since no one can decide which API to move forward with 05:49 Exio well, that is something nice 05:49 Exio i'm not the only who wants enchants in MT :P 05:49 hmmmm a lot of people are vehemently opposed to the idea 05:49 mauvebic not quite sure what enchants are, but i though, maybe certain crafts should be locked, on condition of having crafted something simpler before it 05:49 NakedFury enchanting tools with magical properties 05:50 mauvebic like how in alot of games you need to research stuff before building it 05:50 NakedFury longer lasting enchantment on picks, etc 05:50 hmmmm ya :( 05:50 mauvebic but what would the magic do? 05:50 mauvebic can it be done with the api? 05:50 NakedFury elemental enchantment on weapons for extra effect and damage 05:50 hmmmm this would be entirely done in lua 05:50 Exio more uses in tools, faster digging speed, more damage 05:50 hmmmm so it has complete configurability 05:50 mauvebic hm, well if its just that yeah it can be done in lua tonight 05:50 hmmmm well 05:50 mauvebic *could be 05:50 hmmmm there's a prerequisite 05:51 hmmmm two actually 05:51 Exio the bar api and what more? :P 05:51 mauvebic (on locked crafts, workbench could handle that) 05:51 hmmmm one is mobs, since we need a good way to get XP, another is the bar API, so we can have an XP bar and whatever 05:51 hmmmm but 05:51 hmmmm i'd rather do mapgen v7 first 05:51 NakedFury XP bar plus armor bar 05:51 mauvebic one thing at a time is always better for concentration 05:51 NakedFury then rework the HP system to something better 05:52 mauvebic though i have notes and papers everywhere on a variety of MT and non MT stuff lol 05:52 hmmmm armor bar, breath bar, hunger bar, xp bar, drinking bar 05:52 NakedFury oxygen 05:52 NakedFury for underwater 05:52 hmmmm yep 05:52 mauvebic attacks need to be better too, if youre not hitting the player you shouldn't be swinging, its kinda confusing 05:52 Exio trolololol bar counter connected to #minetest 05:52 Exio or better, remove that, it will cause an overflow 05:52 hmmmm mauvebic, have you seen the new damage system? 05:52 Exio :P 05:52 mauvebic is it in 0.4.5? 05:52 hmmmm nope 05:52 Exio it is in the lastest git 05:52 mauvebic i have the git version from.. uhm, 3 weeks ago i think 05:53 Exio git pull && make -j5 05:53 mauvebic and no mobs :( 05:53 NakedFury HP system could be done something like Zelda games where each heart is divided into 4 parts or something like 100/100 hp and go from there, classic rpg game style 05:53 Exio (or -j3 or -j7 or -j1 or whatever) 05:53 hmmmm PilzAdam wanted something new for the damage system because the choppy damage was pretty wonky with the new tools 05:53 mauvebic -j3 for me :P 05:53 hmmmm celeron came up with some new idea and i guess he did it too, i don't know 05:53 hmmmm i'm not too into that 05:53 mauvebic i know when i set the damage to some obscene number for say lava, i still have to stay in the lava for a few seconds to die lol 05:53 hmmmm but the new armor groups are integers instead of floating point numbers now, though 05:54 mauvebic should already boost performance then 05:54 hmmmm so everything works differently 05:55 mauvebic ideally if mobs didn't suck you wouldn't have node protection so much as cop NPC's 05:56 mauvebic because you either get right now total griefing or no griefing, but griefing should sortof be like an ingame crime 05:57 mauvebic lockpicking for chests (enchantments) 05:57 NakedFury ability 05:57 NakedFury ohh and running bar 05:57 NakedFury like stamina 05:57 mauvebic thats the thing with RPGs, you have all these skills you can develop 05:57 mauvebic so no two players have the same abilities 05:57 Exio (or -j3 or -j7 or -j1 or whatever) 05:57 Exio oops 05:57 mauvebic forcing them to work together 05:57 us_0gb Personally, I disagree. I don't think relying on police NPCs is a great option for most servers, even if the AI was better. 05:57 NakedFury morrowind from the elder scroll series has many abilities that can be used in the game 05:58 us_0gb Some servers, it would work well fore, but node protection is usually better. 05:58 us_0gb *for 05:58 mauvebic true though right now node protection and rollback dont seem much effective either against these cracked clients i keep hearing about 05:58 us_0gb Node protection works creat against hacked clients. 05:58 NakedFury get one of those clients and check how it is different from a normal client then find ways to prevent that 05:59 mauvebic that would require someone being friendly to you know who lol 05:59 NakedFury ugh yeah nasty 05:59 mauvebic and even then would they give up their only ace? doubt it 05:59 mauvebic we need to hack the client, and come up with countermeasures lol 05:59 mauvebic but my skill for that, near zero lol 06:00 us_0gb The only issues with hacked clients are things such as flying through walls, speeding, and negating certain types of damage. They aren't a whole lot of threat. 06:02 us_0gb Basically, they only mess with client-side mechanics. 06:02 mauvebic thats not so bad then 06:02 mauvebic i mean it makes jails useless 06:02 mauvebic but thats not the end of the world 06:03 us_0gb Right. 06:03 Exio "flying through walls"? 06:03 mauvebic no clip 06:03 Exio is that possible with the ''anticheat'' enabled? 06:03 NakedFury ghost mode 06:03 us_0gb Fly and noclip, without those privileges. 06:03 mauvebic ghost mode would be cool for catching those guys 06:03 Exio xD 06:04 us_0gb Yeah, anticheat doesn't block fly and noclip hacks. 06:04 mauvebic whats the difference between anticheat and rollback? 06:05 Exio uh, how are they related? 06:05 us_0gb Rollback records changes, and provides a way to undo them. 06:05 us_0gb They are not related. 06:05 mauvebic isn't that kinda iffy, what happens if other people came along and made other changes and you remove the changes from just 1 person? 06:06 us_0gb Yeah, I don't know how well rollback works. I don't use it. 06:06 mauvebic ok so what does 'anticheat' do? 06:06 us_0gb I don't know how it handles changes in inventory, either. 06:06 us_0gb Anticheat blocks things such as fast hacks. 06:07 us_0gb As well as some quick-mining hacks, I think. 06:07 mauvebic people actually put time into thinking about ways to do these things? 06:07 us_0gb I'm not sure all what it does, I haven't had time to look into it. 06:07 mauvebic if youre gonna cheat to the point of getting kicked off, why not play a private creative game lol 06:08 mauvebic though it seems most just wanna wreck whats already there 06:08 Exio cuz playing with cheatz is h4x and l33t 06:08 Exio dun u understand it?! 06:08 mauvebic ah, you mean theyre 12 06:08 mauvebic yeah if i could card people at the door id open up my server lol 06:09 mauvebic i dont like having to use protection in the first place, if i cant trust someone, i dont let'em on 06:09 us_0gb I trust no one though. Should i let no one into my world? 06:09 VanessaE mauvebic: you DO realize how dirty that sounded, yes? 06:09 VanessaE :) 06:09 mauvebic unless you have the patience to deal with it 06:09 VanessaE mind -> sewer 06:10 mauvebic yeah i realized that after but didn't say anything lol 06:10 mauvebic should have said node protection lol 06:10 us_0gb I think it's the server's job to enforce the rules, not some staff. Node protection is great for that. 06:11 mauvebic you know they came out with bacon flavoured condoms? along with the buns and meat, and if the guy is unhygienic, then you have a cheesburger 06:11 us_0gb I see. I would have never known that. 06:12 mauvebic now thats a sewer lol 06:12 Exio rm -f VanessaE && touch VanessaE 06:12 mauvebic well the server seems to have been written on the premise that anyone can build and dig unless setup otherwise 06:13 mauvebic if people were decent you wouldn't need to seal off entire areas to outside manipulation 06:13 us_0gb Yes, true. But people aren't decent, and people aren't to be trusted. 06:14 us_0gb So we add node protection to mose servers. 06:14 us_0gb On some servers that are built for war, the NPC idea is better. 06:14 mauvebic though, there are a few things id do: make buckets need a priv, remove lava/water from the inventory and require server priv for that particular giveme 06:14 mauvebic i would log people that dig too many non-default nodes 06:14 mauvebic and freeze em 06:14 us_0gb But for non-warring servers, node protection is best. 06:15 mauvebic i would also log people who place nodes on non-default nodes and flag em 06:15 kaeza Exio, http://www.cafepress.com/mf/18786259/unix-commands_maternity 06:15 mauvebic i wouldn't allow the placement of *any* liquid mid-air 06:16 us_0gb When building, you place one cobble on another cobble ... then you would get flagged? 06:16 us_0gb Just for building your own house? 06:16 mauvebic or diggin anything immediately surrounding a liquid without first removing the liquid 06:16 mauvebic well no you can write the function to be smart enough not to flag you for doing that to your own house lol 06:16 mauvebic by loggin the last action and position 06:17 us_0gb Seems like an issue better solved with basic node protection, if you ask me. 06:17 Exio kaeza: rofl 06:17 mauvebic my concern is people sealing off areas and not being able to renovate the infrastructure around it, or conversely, having to be anal about exactly what region is protected lol 06:18 mauvebic im just not crazy on the idea of keeping lists of coordinates and checking them all 06:18 mauvebic the more you have the more ittl lag for basic interact 06:18 NakedFury mauvebic if you do all that in a mod I would suggest having all those new logs be made in a new individual file for them 06:18 us_0gb True. There are also issues where playes leave the server, and an area becomes permanently uneditable. 06:19 mauvebic the key to the logs is the server being able to act on it: kicking/freezing player accounts 06:19 NakedFury admins cant edit those areas? 06:19 us_0gb Lists of coordinates are inefficient. 06:19 mauvebic well you do loop through that list of protection areas for every place and dig node 06:19 us_0gb portector works way better than node_ownership for that. 06:19 us_0gb *protector 06:20 mauvebic thats the block-based protection? 06:20 us_0gb I would never recommend node_ownership. 06:20 us_0gb Yeah, it's the protect blocks. 06:20 mauvebic how does that work, with a radius? 06:21 us_0gb Yeah, so it unfortunately has to check all nodes in a radius. 06:21 mauvebic well, if after_place and after_dig looks for a protector within a certain radius, then at least its only checking one set of fields 06:21 mauvebic and not an array of em 06:21 us_0gb landclaim_0gb_us is getting closer to good, but would need an engine change before it becomes truely viable. 06:22 mauvebic another solution i though was simply to make non default nodes undiggable to anyone other than the owner/admin 06:22 mauvebic but youre putting metas in every node you place... 06:22 mauvebic alot of solutions, none of em perfect lol 06:23 us_0gb I don't put metas anywhere. 06:23 mauvebic pipes uses 3 or 4 meta fields lol 06:23 mauvebic buuut, i no longer have twice as many nodes for the _off variet 06:23 mauvebic *variety 06:24 mauvebic i could cut it down by removing flow but then you'd only need 1 source for the whole network lol 06:25 mauvebic there are more valid ways of doing things than i can count lol but its the tradeoff you have to think 06:26 NakedFury good night guys 06:26 mauvebic gnight 06:27 us_0gb God night. 06:27 VanessaE night 06:27 kaeza lol how did I miss this? http://uni.xkcd.com/ 06:28 VanessaE haha 06:29 VanessaE ok that's gotta be an april fools joke 06:30 kaeza "make love" 06:31 VanessaE heh 06:31 VanessaE "I put on my robe and wizard hat." 06:33 Exio lol, su ~ sudo 06:33 mauvebic jesus, walking dead is turning into torture porn lol 06:34 Exio $ help 06:34 Exio That would be cheating! 06:34 Exio FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 06:34 VanessaE lol 06:37 kaeza "UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity." -- Dennis Ritchie 06:50 Exio http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/app.png 06:51 Exio every time i see this comic i just laugh http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/workflow.png 06:51 kaeza lol 06:51 VanessaE haha 06:52 Exio http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/perl_problems.png 06:52 VanessaE hahah 06:53 Exio xD 06:58 Exio kaeza: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tags.png 06:58 kaeza xD 07:03 Exio http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/identity.png 07:13 Exio http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/five_years.png 07:15 Exio with this image i'm going to sleep 07:15 Exio http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/contextbot.png 07:15 Exio or wait, before, http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/server_problem.png ! 07:19 mauvebic what a fucking cop out, im done with walking dead lol 07:20 mauvebic governors' still alive, 3/4 of his town he shot himself, wow lol 07:23 Exio meh, i can't sleep 07:23 Exio http://ifunny.mobi/#xlTQTugu 07:23 mauvebic meh i havent been able to sleep much in four days lol 07:24 mauvebic wake up 10am, go to bed 10am next morning lol 07:28 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80422#p80422 07:29 mauvebic bad request 07:29 kaeza deleted lol 07:29 VanessaE already deleted and banned. 07:29 Exio fffffffff 07:29 mauvebic explains it lol 07:29 Exio too late 07:30 kaeza FFS NO http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80419#p80419 07:30 Exio http://ifunny.mobi/#M6ao6LNu 07:30 Exio Mon Apr 1 04:30:50 ART 2013 07:32 mauvebic omg someone took me seriously there LOL 07:32 mauvebic yall know i was kidding about php/perl mods right? 07:32 mauvebic nobody's gonna run with that? ( i hope) 07:32 kaeza seriously, wtf is wrong with people? 07:33 VanessaE you never know :) 07:33 kaeza Lua is easier to learn than most other languages 07:33 mauvebic im starting to wonder if people in the next life will be smarter lol 07:33 kaeza (and lightweight too) 07:33 Exio kaeza: do you know what day is today 07:33 mauvebic naw people bitching about other languages simply want to mod in the language they already know, which means theyre too fucking lazy to pick up lua, which is pretty pathetic 07:34 kaeza Exio, happy birthday! (?) 07:34 kaeza :P 07:34 Exio xD 07:35 mauvebic would PHP and java even be compatible? lol 07:35 mauvebic without some weird abstraction layer lol 07:36 Exio http://ifunny.mobi/#Xwf1ShEu 07:36 mauvebic and then the linux devs said "yo dawg, i heard you like abstraction layers" lol 07:37 mauvebic chainsaw legs, too bad we cant make a mod out of that 07:37 Exio http://ifunny.mobi/#hYLwS8Gu awwww 07:37 Exio lol mauvebic 07:38 kaeza mauvebic, JSR 223 07:39 mauvebic postal code? 07:39 Exio http://ifunny.mobi/#0YwOf6Nu LOL 07:41 mauvebic oh dear god im not in the mood for a facebook flamewar lol 07:42 mauvebic "the finale sucked, the season was long and boring" .... "you are a drunk" wtf? lol 07:43 Exio http://ifunny.mobi/#rhSLDp8J 07:43 Exio XD 07:43 Exio HAHAHAHA 07:43 mauvebic i wish we had like, camps, to put these people in, not sure what id call em though :/ 07:44 mauvebic lol please if anything the dad's prolly looking at the kids' porn stash 07:45 Exio this is for kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#fOjCdc8J :3 07:45 Exio this is bad 07:46 Exio i should be sleeping 07:46 mauvebic lollll 07:47 kaeza haha 07:48 Exio fact 07:48 Exio http://ifunny.mobi/#jrHJA49J 07:50 Exio how to feel better with yourself: http://ifunny.mobi/#6lfR6c8J 07:50 Exio :D 07:53 mauvebic hm, aparently you can get banned from a facebook page lol 07:54 Exio can you? 07:54 mauvebic all i said was "zombies could decompose waiting for something to happen" and poof, page's gone lol 07:56 mauvebic truth always leads to butthurt 08:12 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#P62mVs8J 08:13 Exio http://ifunny.mobi/#YYZ7P8SK 08:16 * sfan5 forgot for a second that he shouldn't take anything on the forum too serious 08:16 Exio xD 08:16 Exio hi sfan5 08:22 Exio kaeza: i got a photo of you, http://ifunny.mobi/#oSon8i8J 08:22 kaeza Exio, faku 08:22 Exio <3 08:30 Exio http://ifunny.mobi/#mIKEVg8J 08:39 Exio http://ifunny.mobi/#KYu78FOl 08:43 VanessaE I'm off to bed. night all. 08:48 kaeza night 08:49 Exio night VanessaE 08:54 mauvebic i have bruschetta thats about to go bad and no bread :/ and nothing will be open tomorrow/later :( 08:57 mauvebic found bio-crackers, taste like drywall but wtv lol 09:24 Exio night 09:25 Exio going to sleep now 09:40 kaeza I have to go. My planet needs me. 09:40 kaeza good night 10:12 Matsetes VanessaE: Hi! Are you here? 10:13 mauvebic i think she went off to bed 10:23 markveidemanis PING 10:23 markveidemanis Jordach 10:24 markveidemanis I need something to make textures and only to be able to use set colours 10:24 markveidemanis Im going to make a texture pack with 3 clolurs 10:27 markveidemanis Calinou 10:27 markveidemanis I need a 16x16 texture maker 10:27 Calinou hi 10:28 Calinou markveidemanis: no, sorry 10:28 markveidemanis ok... 10:28 markveidemanis Anyone here know of any? 10:28 * Calinou 's CPU fan runs at 591rpm :D 10:28 Calinou and 35°C in load right now 10:28 Calinou (well, 1 minute load, compiling something) 10:29 markveidemanis What key does the degrees sign? 10:29 Calinou ? 10:30 markveidemanis I need a simple program 10:31 Calinou woo, my turbo mode speed modifications work 10:31 markveidemanis It snaps to pixels 10:31 markveidemanis and has a 16x16 canvas i can zoom to 10:31 markveidemanis there is a settable pallette at the side 10:31 markveidemanis palette 10:32 markveidemanis Hey Zeg9 10:32 Zeg9 Hi. 10:34 Calinou hi Zeg9 10:40 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/5666940/ 10:57 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:57 markveidemanis hi 11:05 Jordach hmm 11:08 qwook hello 11:10 Jordach i suppose its easier to create your own music format no? 11:10 Jordach ^ khonkhortisan 11:22 qwook lookin' through the minetest source code... bit messy :\ 11:28 PilzAdam qwook, wich part? 11:33 sfan5 *which 11:37 qwook is the collision detection for the player just 11:37 qwook scanning an entire bbox? 11:37 qwook from the start to end? 11:40 Sketch2 qwook, I've been looking through it too 11:41 Sketch2 was trying to make sense of the flow. wish we had a tree drawn out showing where everthing connects 11:42 qwook I wish it used modules for most of the components 11:42 qwook I'm much more used to how the source engine is organized :( 11:42 Jordach anyways, im working on a mesecons piano roll machine 11:42 qwook everything is a bit sprawled out everywhere, and there's a lot of std::vector use everywhere 11:43 Calinou I'm much more used to how the source engine is organized :( 11:43 Calinou hello, valve employee. can we have half life 4? 11:43 BlockMen hi everyone 11:43 Calinou hi BlockMen 11:43 * Calinou 's CPU runs at 4ghz when one core is used :> 11:43 qwook I worked on source engine mods before :V 11:43 qwook most games split up different sectors to different modules 11:43 BlockMen is rubenwardy online? 11:44 qwook like an audio module, graphics module, entity management module, server module, and client module 11:44 Calinou welcome to minetest, the game coded in non-object C++ 11:44 qwook this is kind of thrown all together 11:46 BlockMen or does someone else know where i find the link to this shop? 11:46 BlockMen http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4437 11:46 PilzAdam new win build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 11:48 Jordach hey BlockMen nope. 11:48 PilzAdam BlockMen, you mean the link that is in the topic ("ALL GIFTS")? 11:49 BlockMen hi Jordach 11:49 BlockMen PilzAdam, umm...yes 11:49 BlockMen thx 11:50 Calinou qwook: about http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5376 11:50 Calinou gimme the link and i'll add it :P 11:51 qwook https://github.com/qwook/minetest 11:51 BlockMen we have now a mac-build for 0.4.5? 11:52 Calinou praise the mac owners 11:52 Calinou qwook: done 11:53 qwook thanks lol 11:55 Jordach I think I win this battle: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80448#p80448 11:55 Sketch2 Think I may attempt putting together a source-file structure diagram. 12:00 PilzAdam Calinou, can you finish the french translation of Minetest? 12:00 Calinou oh, it's not complete anymore, it used to be :P 12:01 PilzAdam we have some new strings 12:05 qwook hmm, are you guys rendering the backfaces of the voxels/blocks? 12:05 PilzAdam of course not 12:05 PilzAdam and the "blocks" are called nodes in Minetest 12:06 PilzAdam block means a mapblock, wich is 16x16x16 nodes 12:06 Calinou qwook: need something to code? code multicolored lights :P 12:07 Jordach qwook, didnt minetest already have this 12:07 markveidemanis I think blocks should be called chunks 12:08 PilzAdam markveidemanis, chunk is also used, its 5x5x5 blocks 12:08 PilzAdam (its configureable in minetest.conf, though) 12:08 Calinou done 12:09 markveidemanis so can i make it render 1 block by 1 block? 12:09 PilzAdam Calinou, nice 12:09 PilzAdam are here other people that can translate Minetest? http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/ 12:10 PilzAdam Calinou, can you go through the suggestions? 12:10 Calinou why? the translations are done, and correct already 12:10 Calinou well I'll look at them anyway 12:11 PilzAdam if the suggestions arent good then remove them 12:13 Calinou PilzAdam: suggestion: change "Enable Particles" to "Particles" 12:13 Calinou you didn't call "Smooth Lighting" "Enable Smooth Lighting" ;) 12:13 Calinou I did that in the translation already 12:13 Sketch2 Calinou, by multicolored lights, do you mean one block that does multicolors? 12:13 Calinou no, red-green-blue lights 12:14 Calinou not monochrome lights like we have right now :P 12:14 Sketch2 Something similar to my Stained Glass mod? 12:14 Sketch2 but frosted glass 12:15 BlockMen btw translations, is there something under development to translate the mods? 12:16 Sketch2 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4904 12:18 qwook Calinou: I'm trying to find ways to optimize the code since I'm getting dropped to 28 fps when looking at complex parts of the map 12:18 qwook drops that I don't experience in minecraft :\ 12:19 Jordach !up jordachscity.tk 12:19 Jordach MInetestbot no here 12:19 Sketch2 you could see about optimising the Farmesh thing 12:19 Sketch2 that would speed it up considerably if it wasn't buggy 12:19 Sketch2 it makes my display flicker 12:19 iqualfragile can someone allow me to play on minetest.ru? 12:19 Sketch2 the water especially 12:20 Sketch2 tho it may be a video driver issue. but look into it 12:23 PilzAdam BlockMen, yes 12:23 PilzAdam kaeza is working on it 12:23 PilzAdam the first goal is to translate the item descriptions 12:24 iqualfragile ruskie ? 12:24 PilzAdam c55 already has a branch where translation tables are transfered to the client, so the client can pick the correct language 12:24 PilzAdam kaeze is working on the Lua part wich creates the translation tables automatically 12:25 Calinou qwook: complex parts? what's your hardware? 12:25 BlockMen PilzAdam, sounds great. Is there a repro? 12:25 Calinou inb4 P4 + integrated graphics 12:27 PilzAdam BlockMen, c55 had a branch for the translation tables, but I cant find it 12:29 BlockMen ok. have enough other stuff atm anyway 12:41 qwook I'm on a MacBook Pro "11 lol 12:41 qwook *13 12:41 qwook my gosh x_x 12:43 Calinou laptop? *shrug* 12:46 Deivan The game engine have a function to define shotcuts? 12:47 Deivan keyboard shortcuts 12:47 Deivan Like, key a call function n() 12:53 Deivan keybindings? 12:55 Calinou look at how the game detects when you're pressing keys to move? 12:56 Deivan I found some details about how conf the minetest.conf but I thinking if is possible do the same in running time and with dynamic functions. 12:57 jordan4ibanez how is uberi not awnlyne 12:58 * Calinou facepalms at how shaders are slow 12:58 Calinou 75FPS 12:58 Deivan Thanks, AFK... 12:59 Calinou weird, with shaders off, I only get 140FPS... in multiplayer 13:00 Calinou 360FPS in local .-. 13:00 jordan4ibanez Man if I keep using my desktop like this I'm going to have to buy another monitor http://i.imgur.com/jjVnWaH.jpg 13:00 Calinou looks like fancy trees reduce my FPS by 30% 13:00 Calinou -1 for windows 13:02 jordan4ibanez -1 for french fries 13:04 Jordach Calinou, prototype Shoutcast streamer is working on my server 13:04 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/07vlgded6Oo peeples are still commenting on this video? why? 13:04 Jordach jordan4ibanez, why did you remove your old server flythrough video 13:05 jordan4ibanez I deleted a lot of videos, one day I couldn't sleep, so I became over-tired and couldn't think straight, and then I deleted it 13:05 Jordach jordan4ibanez, oh well, but i did find the MK1 City Build map 13:05 jordan4ibanez deleted almost all of my songs too 13:05 jordan4ibanez cool! 13:06 Jordach i might revive it 13:06 Jordach btw, did your VPS arrive yet? 13:06 Jordach oh god, theyre playing: Server -!- Shoutcast: Hardcore - Digitally Imported: Audio Warfare - Dr Wily 13:08 jordan4ibanez no lol 13:09 Jordach according to my server, the streaming file thats converted on the fly to ogg is apparently infinite 13:09 Sketch2 think it was qwook who mentioned earlier that he didn't like the way the code was laid out. 13:09 Sketch2 it's making a lot more sence to me as I diagram it 13:10 Jordach jordan4ibanez, points for fallout 13:16 Jordach WTF. 13:17 Jordach files played as mp3 locally from linux play simply as normal, but theyre tone is about -1 semitones 13:17 Jordach but if i stream Mp3 Shoutcast, its normal; 13:17 Jordach hey rarkenin 13:17 rarkenin Hi. 13:17 jordan4ibanez I wish my main menu would be the new one 13:18 jordan4ibanez it reminds me of minecraft alpha 13:19 Jordach jordan4ibanez, all we need now is infinite maps 13:19 Jordach and were at the point of MC Apha 13:19 Jordach Alpha* 13:19 jordan4ibanez no jordach, we are a combination of minecraft pre-alpha and past the point of minecraft 1.5 13:20 jordan4ibanez our game is so strewn across the developmental timeline of minecraft, that it's just awesome 13:21 jordan4ibanez for example, we have the 1.7.3 beta farlands if infinite maps are enabled, where the game just doesn't make sense 13:21 jordan4ibanez this thing is amazing http://www.clementine-player.org/ 13:25 sfan5 musicd is awesome 13:26 Kacey good morning all 13:26 hmmmm obvious celeron shill 13:26 hmmmm lol 13:27 Jordach hmmm 13:27 Jordach i need to test the infinite maps again 13:27 PilzAdam why do you want infinte maps? 13:28 jordan4ibanez why does a person travel around the world? 13:29 PilzAdam our maps are large enough IMO 13:29 PilzAdam Id like to see smaller maps 13:29 PilzAdam like 1000x1000x1000 13:29 Jordach PilzAdam, 31 IRL Kilometers? 13:30 jordan4ibanez we want to feel like the world is infinite 13:30 jordan4ibanez even if it glitches out at some point 13:30 jordan4ibanez that would even add mystery to beyond 31000 instead of having it just end there 13:32 Jordach lets say 31000 is the end, but any further and physics go weird 13:32 jordan4ibanez I'm okay with that 13:34 jordan4ibanez finally I've figured out the source of the screwy piston pushing 13:34 jordan4ibanez if more than 1 object fails or passes, all objects in the radius do the same, even if they would fail 13:36 jordan4ibanez idea: redifine "print" so it automatically dumps all statements 13:38 Kacey into the chat 13:41 Sketch2 it's April Fools. my Dad's birthday is tomorrow. 13:42 jordan4ibanez oh right 13:42 jordan4ibanez I hope there aren't any fake updates, that would be horrible 13:42 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/lQSDLdL.png pretty much sums up minetest 13:43 markveidemanis Hii 13:44 jordan4ibanez hi mark! 13:48 Kacey jordan4ibanez, you use windows xP? 13:48 Kacey XP* 13:48 jordan4ibanez I use whatever I can/want 13:48 jordan4ibanez windows xp & kubuntu 13:48 Kacey lol 13:49 jordan4ibanez morph OS on my g4 13:49 Kacey windows 8& xubuntu 13:49 jordan4ibanez nawce 13:49 Jordach I've got some bad news, the developers have recieved a Cease and Desist letter from Mojang. 13:49 Sketch2 Debian Wheezy - with either XFCE or Gnome Classic 13:50 Sketch2 eh, just put a fair use notice in there 13:50 Sketch2 The only reason they'd bitch is 'cuz you have their name in the source code without referencing their copyright. 13:51 Sketch2 it's Fair Use tho, for intellectual and educational purposes 13:52 BlockMen Jordach, is that a joke? 13:54 jordan4ibanez blockmen! 13:55 jordan4ibanez I have a present for you 13:55 jordan4ibanez here you go https://dl.dropbox.com/s/8tp7y1343y6nid1/attributions.zip?token_hash=AAHNLXE9PCbn2WjIZ2VMolUp2u5SUBk7lq_9L_b5bE9OQg&dl=1 13:56 Sketch2 Here, just post this at the bottom of the README and we should be alright - http://pastebin.com/vJMmfhFJ 13:57 BlockMen hi jordan4ibanez 13:57 jordan4ibanez good day blockmen 13:57 BlockMen wow, the sounds are good 13:58 BlockMen ty, i think i will use these! 13:58 Kacey im off to school bbl 13:59 BlockMen jordan4ibanez, how did you found? i was like 2 hours searching for the current 14:00 jordan4ibanez I found that a very long time ago in blockplanet 14:00 jordan4ibanez I was searching for the perfect door sound and I stumbled upon it 14:00 jordan4ibanez when we were trying to make blockplanet I mean 14:01 BlockMen ah..ic 14:02 BlockMen ok folks, i g2g 14:02 BlockMen bye 14:02 jordan4ibanez peace 14:03 jordan4ibanez oh gosh, now I'm going to have to make a double piston rule 14:03 hmmmm heey i saw minetest 0.4.5 uploaded onto omploader 14:03 hmmmm coincidence 14:06 Sketch2 eh, where do libraries install to on local computer? 14:07 Jordach jordan4ibanez, PilzAdam http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-010413-150615.php 14:07 Sketch2 trying to find irrlicht code. had it open just a while ago 14:07 Jordach hmmmm, see my last post on irc 14:07 jordan4ibanez cool , but use imgur not that french poop 14:07 Jordach jordan4ibanez, i just press print screen and upload 14:07 hmmmm joradch, ? 14:08 jordan4ibanez redirect your upload script/program to imgur 14:08 Sketch2 oh, nevermind. found it usr/include 14:08 hmmmm lol, imgur. 14:08 Jordach hmmmm, i have generated the map beyond 30000 14:08 hmmmm i'd use it if it actually worked 14:08 hmmmm jordach, neato 14:08 hmmmm http://www.zimg.eu/i/3476640221 14:09 Jordach 86.158.157.146 : 30000 14:09 Jordach hmmmm, ^ go see 14:09 hmmmm why am i seeing this 14:09 hmmmm what is there to see 14:09 jordan4ibanez hmmm, can I set metadata for a player? 14:10 Jordach heres me at 32000 http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-010413-151023.php 14:11 hmmmm cool, if you go 700 blocks further you'll probably crash 14:12 Jordach 32625 is where the game can normally run before blocks disapear infront of you 14:12 Jordach client died at 32684 14:12 Jordach that is the current limit to the map 14:13 Jordach hmmmm, EVEN WORSE, the game exits with no error message 14:13 hmmmm oh no 14:13 hmmmm god forbid 14:13 hmmmm what will you do now? 14:13 Jordach hmmmm, the blocks disappear right after 32684 14:13 Jordach in Range_All=0, but if Range_All=1 blocks appear 14:14 Jordach after that point 14:14 Jordach hmmmm, where would one start to look for co ordinates 14:15 jordan4ibanez what causes the errors? 14:15 Jordach jordan4ibanez, basically the game terminates since the game has run out of room to fit 32665 in 14:15 Jordach because that's the limit of short int in afraid 14:16 Jordach anyone used grep? 14:16 jordan4ibanez why don't we use long_int? 14:16 Jordach because long int has no float option IIRC 14:17 Sketch2 it should be programmed like old-school games that'd sroll back to the other side of the screen 14:17 hmmmm we should remove /teleport 14:17 Jordach hmmmm, then how will we test the outsides of the normal range 14:17 hmmmm that would stop people from whining about how "the maximum size is too small" 14:17 celeron55 hmmmm: disallow teleporting further than +-20000? 8) 14:17 Sketch2 *scroll. like Yars Revenge, Asteroid 14:17 hmmmm ugh 14:17 hmmmm actually 14:18 hmmmm that is a wonderful idea 14:18 hmmmm i think i just might do that 14:18 hmmmm celeron, did you see the noise-modulated-noise terrain with logarithmic rivers? 14:18 jordan4ibanez wow, that's actually a good Idea, but you guys will have to reprogram the client to simulate the chunks together 14:18 jordan4ibanez seemlessly 14:19 celeron55 hmmmm: do those rivers have height variation according to terrain? 14:19 hmmmm they do 14:19 celeron55 sounds good then 14:19 hmmmm that is totally unintentional though 14:20 hmmmm and there are too many small ones, which would be fixed by just making the scale really huge 14:20 celeron55 i think people will like small ones 14:20 hmmmm i'm still trying different things out but i like the results i'm getting with basically all the things i'm trying 14:21 hmmmm err, that sentence was quite redundant 14:21 hmmmm should have my coffee 14:21 Nore hi 14:29 Sketch2 'ello Nore 14:29 Nore hi 14:31 hmmmm basically those rivers are caused by log() having such an insanely short cutoff, so while that might look like a very small dip without that, the dip is amplified a lot with log 14:31 hmmmm and those huge lakes are just by a large area having a negative terrain height 14:31 hmmmm so it returns 0 instead of giving an arithmetic error 14:31 hmmmm but 1 is the water level, so it creates water 14:32 hmmmm i like those rivers but i don't like the rest of the characteristics 14:32 hmmmm what i think i might do is use that as a base, and then superimpose a more curvey, regular terrain on top of it 14:35 Jordach hmmmm, heres a bug 14:35 Jordach i noticed that the backface of a water cube when held is always hollow 14:35 Jordach as if the backface never existed 14:35 hmmmm known 14:39 hmmmm hhrmm 14:39 hmmmm raising things to the 1.5th power seems to make spikey structures 14:39 hmmmm interesting i must say 14:41 Sketch2 Here's the beginning of the source structure diagram I'm working on - http://pastebin.com/S5ZmQHrK 14:43 Jordach If anyone has gource, go make a 1080p render of the source tree 14:44 Sketch2 oh, didn't know they had something like that 14:45 Jordach Sketch2, it makes a video showing the development 14:45 Jordach eg, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrraXegDIoI 14:47 Sketch2 yeah, I'll install it and try it out 14:50 rotor112 I edited mapgen_v6.cpp to generate a jungleworld 14:57 rubenwardy hi all 14:57 rotor112 hi 14:58 rotor112 I don't think this is necessary if (n->getContent() != c_dirt && 15:09 jordan4ibanez what line? wtf 15:24 jordan4ibanez how do I get a luaentities ID? 15:25 jordan4ibanez print(dump(to_string(object:get_luaentity().object)))? 15:26 jordan4ibanez tostring* 15:26 jordan4ibanez nevermind answered my own question 15:28 IceCraft Yo 15:30 jordan4ibanez yo mansky 15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet mauvebic publish mint 16:02 Calinou smoking mint is illegal in canada 16:16 ShadowNinja VanessaE: spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80489#p80489 16:16 PilzAdam ^ Calinou 16:16 Exio i wonder, does anyone want a brightness setting? 16:16 Exio PilzAdam: aren't you mod in the forums? 16:16 PilzAdam no 16:16 Exio i'd have said you were :P 16:18 PilzAdam I would have nothing against being mod 16:18 * Jordach neither 16:26 * Calinou nether 16:28 Exio the hell :D 16:31 jordan4ibanez does the itemstack entity contain the itemstack metadata? 16:36 RealBadAngel yeah 16:36 RealBadAngel check the screwdrivewer for example 16:37 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, can you finisht the polish translation in weblate? 16:37 PilzAdam -t 16:37 RealBadAngel i thought it was finished 16:37 RealBadAngel will check it today 16:37 PilzAdam there are some new strings 16:38 RealBadAngel ah ok 16:38 PilzAdam e.g. the sound volume you added ;-) 16:38 Exio is the spanish translation finished? 16:38 PilzAdam Exio, yes 16:38 Exio aw, too late :P 16:39 PilzAdam the german one is always the first one that is 100% finished 16:39 Exio hehe 16:39 PilzAdam Exio, there are 13 suggestions for the Spanish translation, though 16:39 PilzAdam can you review them= 16:39 PilzAdam *? 16:40 Exio yep 16:40 Exio what was the weblate link? 16:40 Exio (as i don' 16:40 PilzAdam http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/ 16:40 Exio t have my bookmarks here :P) 16:51 jordan4ibanez how do I get the entities constant id? 16:52 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, I think you cant rely that the engine gives the objects the same ID all the time 16:52 jordan4ibanez yeah I realise that 16:52 jordan4ibanez should I give the entity a random id through luaentity and then later remove it? 16:52 sokomine well, i have the same problem...maybe that's something all people who want to use npc eventually have to face... 16:53 jordan4ibanez like, object:get_luaentity.id = math.random() 16:53 PilzAdam you can have a global table in your mod that is saved in a file wich has a list of the IDs indexed by a name 16:54 PilzAdam and every object step the objects itseld updates the table with its current ID 16:54 PilzAdam when a new object is created it checks for an empty name and saves it in the Lua entity 16:54 PilzAdam you actually only have to update the table in on_activate 16:55 PilzAdam something like if self.name then my_table[self.name] = myID else self.name = new_random_name; my_table[self.name] = myID end 16:56 jordan4ibanez the lua id seems to change every server step it's very annoying 16:56 PilzAdam it changes every server step oO 16:56 PilzAdam are you sure? 16:56 jordan4ibanez yes 16:56 jordan4ibanez or on setpos 16:56 PilzAdam it should only change when the object is unloaded and loaded again 16:57 PilzAdam how do you get the ID? 16:57 jordan4ibanez print(dump(tostring(object:get_luaentity().object))) 16:58 PilzAdam can you run this on a player object? because I definetly know that these dont change 16:59 jordan4ibanez I'm not running it on a player object, on an item entity 16:59 PilzAdam yes, but to test if tostring(object) really returns the ID 16:59 PilzAdam because this isnt documented in lua-api.txt AFAIK 17:01 jordan4ibanez thank you pilzadam, your version of itemid works! 17:08 STHGOM hi 17:09 STHGOM hi 17:10 Jordach oh dear god. 17:10 Jordach i can now understand both C/C++ , python and Lua 17:10 Exio now brainfuck 17:10 Exio AND PROFIT 17:12 jordan4ibanez after that fucking headache 17:12 jordan4ibanez now pistons push everything successfully 17:12 jordan4ibanez and pull 17:13 jordan4ibanez if a player or object is on top of the piston arm/nodes it's pushing, it gets pushed too 17:13 jordan4ibanez now one last adjustment to make pistons not push things into the ground 17:14 markveidemanis I fi press e in water with fast on i fall and hurt myself 17:14 markveidemanis same with ladders 17:15 STHGOM jajaja 17:15 STHGOM annoying 17:39 rubenwardy hi all 17:39 sokomine hi rubenwardy 17:42 jordan4ibanez hi jordan 17:42 jordan4ibanez oh wait 17:42 jordan4ibanez hi rubenwardy 17:42 ShadowNinja Calinou: spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80502#p80502 17:43 jordan4ibanez this is the single fucking function that allows for items to be pushed around http://pastie.org/pastes/7270564/text?key=tnqdb218jz5alnyxj5t3lq 17:43 jordan4ibanez what a pain in the ass 17:44 khonkhortisan Which part of a sticky movestone sticks? 17:45 jordan4ibanez oh wow, sticky movestone does push around the items too 17:45 khonkhortisan but I don't see it pulling 17:45 jordan4ibanez sticky movestone doesn't pull though, minor flaw, oh well 17:46 khonkhortisan okay, reported. 17:46 Calinou ShadowNinja: done 17:46 jordan4ibanez reported to who? 17:46 khonkhortisan mesecons 17:46 jordan4ibanez Oh my git request thing? That's outdated to hell now 17:46 jordan4ibanez I have to reupdate it 17:48 jordan4ibanez also khonkhortisan, which part would I have to include for it to pull with a sticky piston? 17:48 khonkhortisan I broke movestones, I put a mesecon item in front of it. 17:48 khonkhortisan error running function 'on_step': ...e/.minetest/mods/minetest/mesecons/mesecons/util.lua:19: attempt to index local 'r' (a nil value) 17:49 jordan4ibanez oh you tried running that pastie I put up? or is that a normal mesecons glitch 17:49 khonkhortisan normal mesecons 17:49 khonkhortisan now my world won't start :( 17:50 jordan4ibanez you must remove mesecons 17:50 jordan4ibanez start world 17:50 jordan4ibanez delete entity or node 17:50 jordan4ibanez reinstall mesecons 17:50 jordan4ibanez profit 17:51 jordan4ibanez aha! you can dump a bunch of items onto a "table" and the movestone will push it off like a garbage disposal 17:51 jordan4ibanez neat 17:53 khonkhortisan I made a 1-size and 2-size undetectable hole activated by a player that also closes at the bottom. Can't figure out how to make one 3x3 yet 17:58 jordan4ibanez I need to let my brain unscramble itself before I make a pull request for this poop. And cool, pics of it? 18:01 jordan4ibanez mesecons needs an item detector 18:23 khonkhortisan item detector plus item piston plus item/node dispenser allows you to have an inventory of carts 18:24 jordan4ibanez with hoppers you could have an automatic railroad 18:24 jordan4ibanez and force_load* 18:25 jordan4ibanez https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/pull/88 18:26 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: diamond blocks don't have craftings 18:27 us_0gb Neither does white wool and some dyes. 18:27 NakedFury any iphone or ipad users here? 18:27 us_0gb Or cloud and dirt_with_grass_footsteps. 18:28 Exio but there is a legit way to "obtain" diamond blocks, diamond "gems"! 18:28 NakedFury I thought dirt with footsteps was not used anymore 18:28 Jordach NakedFury, hm? 18:28 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, fixed 18:28 NakedFury jordach do you jailbreak your istuff? 18:28 * us_0gb wants cloud in the oddly_breakable_by_hand group, and a way to get it 18:28 Jordach nope. 18:29 Jordach NakedFury, it's a good idea for freedom, bad idea for insurance 18:29 NakedFury do you know if there is a 6.1.3 version jailbreak yet? I just upgraded the ipad after months of using 6.0.1 18:29 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, thx for reporting 18:31 us_0gb If cloud and dirt_with_grass_footsteps aren't going to be used any more, they should be aliased to air and dirt_with_grass. Preferably respectively. 18:31 VanessaE afternoon all. 18:31 khonkhortisan I like footsteps 18:31 mauvebic are all american ISPs crooks? 18:31 NakedFury wow my iphone still uses 5.0.1 18:31 us_0gb Hey, VanessaE. 18:32 us_0gb PilzAdam: Are there any plans for uses of copper that don't require steel? Such as the copper rails from moreores? 18:32 VanessaE mauvebic: pretty much, yes 18:32 PilzAdam us_0gb, not really, but I am open for suggestions 18:32 mauvebic ever since my ISP got bought out by an american rival, theyve been trying to bill me for 4 fucking months i already paid, im this close to taking 'em to small claims 18:32 mauvebic where you cant bring a lawyer 18:33 mauvebic and the CEO's in miami lol 18:33 khonkhortisan I've been hit by double billing too, it was either utilities or medical. 18:33 VanessaE mauvebic: you better be prepared to show your receipts -- for at least 6 months prior to however far after you are now. 18:33 mauvebic i just did, for the third time 18:34 mauvebic always with "we'll check our records and call back" they dont call back, and two months later send another reminder for 200$+ 18:34 us_0gb PilzAdam: I don't have any suggestions at this time, but it is disappointing to not be able to do anything with copper. Steel is far too valuable to waste on bronze, as bronze is only good for tools. 18:34 NakedFury damn you guys always talk horror stories about isp on your countries 18:34 khonkhortisan Bill them for the amount they're trying to double-bill you, they might get the idea. 18:34 VanessaE mauvebic: I mean in court. 18:34 mauvebic well ive been to court and ive been bankrupt so either way, im going to fuck'em 18:35 PilzAdam us_0gb, you can see bronze as an upgrade from steel that lasts longer 18:35 mauvebic at least i kept all my papers 18:35 NakedFury go mauvebic! 18:35 mauvebic and then im switching to a cdn isp lol 18:35 us_0gb PilzAdam: I understand that, but steel is too valuable to waste on tools as well, in my opinion. 18:36 PilzAdam well, if you want to make a steel tool and have some copper laying arround, then you can invest some time to make the tool better 18:36 mauvebic im pretty sure we have a consumer complaints watchdog here, and a telecommunications watchdog, lets see if we cant get their license pulled :-) 18:36 us_0gb I would never make steel tools. Steel is too valuable to waste on tools. 18:37 PilzAdam you dont go mining very often? 18:37 us_0gb I mine all the time. I build huge tunnels to connect things far away. 18:37 PilzAdam if you go mining to -280 then you have tons of it laying arround 18:37 us_0gb I tunnel at -1024. 18:38 us_0gb Having more steel doesn't mean I'd waste it on tools. Steel is the most valuable item in the game. 18:38 us_0gb If tools didn't wear out, maybe. 18:38 PilzAdam what do you use it for? 18:39 us_0gb Ownable objects. The only things people can't wreck when you place them are made from steel. 18:40 us_0gb PilzAdam: Could copper at least be made into blocks like the other ores, for netter storage? 18:40 us_0gb *better 18:40 PilzAdam maybe 18:41 us_0gb I'd ask for coal blocks, but I figure that isn't going to happen. Though I'm not the only one that wants those. 18:42 us_0gb Oh, well. I guess I'll just have to try to pawn off my copper like I do my extra mese! 18:42 khonkhortisan us_0gb, Copper has been made into a block 18:43 us_0gb Copper, not bronze? 18:43 khonkhortisan bronze too 18:43 us_0gb Okay, I must have missed it. Thanks! 18:43 khonkhortisan I don't remember there being dust, though. 18:45 us_0gb khonkhortisan: I just tried to make copped into a block. It does not work. 18:45 PilzAdam you cant, there is no copper block 18:45 us_0gb That's what I thought, but khonkhortisan said there was, so I checked. 18:47 VanessaE PilzAdam: why isn't there? There is one in moreores. 18:47 us_0gb There is also copper rails in moreores. 18:47 VanessaE (in other words, you should carry that over as well) 18:47 PilzAdam there is no copper block in moretrees, and moretrees is standard :-p 18:47 VanessaE us_0gb: that's something that could remain in moreores I think 18:47 us_0gb And tin, so you don't have to waste your steel on bronze. 18:48 VanessaE moretrees? um.. 18:48 us_0gb He's right. THere is no copper block in moretrees. 18:48 VanessaE just add the copper block. 18:49 PilzAdam we have a feature freeze 18:49 VanessaE you've got steel, bronze, diamond, why not copper? 18:49 VanessaE ok so after the freeze. 18:49 us_0gb Plan on adding a copper block to moretrees, VanessaE? 18:49 us_0gb Also, he didn't add the tin. 18:49 VanessaE us_0gb: heh 18:49 VanessaE yeah I know >:-( 18:49 VanessaE "too many ores" blah blah 18:49 VanessaE :) 18:50 * us_0gb wonders why rats and scorched stuff are in the creative inventory 18:51 VanessaE good question 18:51 us_0gb I think I'll put in a pull request when I'm being less lazy. 18:51 VanessaE rats don't make much sense, but "scorched stuff" could be usable as a craft recipe item 18:51 us_0gb Rats vanish when you place them. They are a broken item. 18:51 PilzAdam I think I close a pull request when us_0gb is less lazy 18:52 VanessaE they're a no-op. 18:52 Exio http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/04/01/181201/systemd-ditches-gnu-c-library-for-their-own 18:53 us_0gb Hmm. I was supposed to put in another pull request as well, but I forget what it was for .... 18:55 us_0gb Oh, well. Feature freeze anyway, so no rush. As long as I get it in before 0.4.7's feature freeze, it will be soon enough. 19:01 VanessaE hey RBA. 19:02 ShadowNinja has feature freeze started yet? 19:02 Exio yep 19:02 mauvebic done :-) hopefully the CRTC and consumer affairs will look into it 19:02 VanessaE ShadowNinja: yes, it has. 19:03 Exio do you see leveldb, script-api structure changes or luajit in git? :P 19:12 jordan4ibanez realbadangel, could you improve on this? http://pastie.org/pastes/7271519/text?key=98bmihp224n8r6borqx25q sometimes items/players aren't pushed, sometimes they're pushed too much, I can't work on it anymore, it's too frustrating 19:25 PilzAdam wtf http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80528#p80528 19:25 mauvebic cant you ban him? 19:25 mauvebic i see lots of word, but no content lol 19:25 PilzAdam Im a "Controbutor" (whatever that is) :D 19:25 jojoa1997|Tablet Mauvebic could you please release mint 19:26 jojoa1997|Tablet It is great for singleplayer 19:26 mauvebic i already sent it to you and told you you could share with your friends :P i dont need another thread 19:26 jojoa1997|Tablet No I mean on your website 19:26 mauvebic oh that 19:26 mauvebic shit you still have the link? 19:26 jojoa1997|Tablet Um 19:26 jojoa1997|Tablet One sec 19:27 mauvebic to date ive filed 3 seperate complaints against my ISP lol 19:27 mauvebic consumer watchdog, telecs watchdog, and canadianisp review site lol 19:27 jojoa1997|Tablet Also pilzadam please add farming beforebefore 0.4.6 19:27 PilzAdam no 19:27 PilzAdam the feature freeze is already in effect 19:28 jojoa1997|Tablet . 19:28 jojoa1997|Tablet ? 19:29 jojoa1997|Tablet What is a feature freeze 19:29 mauvebic thats when they stop adding new stuff and hunt for bugs :p 19:29 NakedFury ^ 19:29 jojoa1997|Tablet Aw man 19:29 jojoa1997|Tablet Ok 19:29 Jordach jojoa1997|Tablet, why do you want things that other people dont want 19:29 mauvebic has to be done at some point 19:29 NakedFury in other words a time to fix stuff and stop adding stuff 19:30 jojoa1997|Tablet Jordaxh people don't always have same view as you 19:31 jojoa1997|Tablet Mauvebic 19:31 jojoa1997|Tablet I have file but I don't have link 19:31 mauvebic lemme try and find it here then 19:31 jojoa1997|Tablet You have to search your logs 19:33 mauvebic up 19:34 mauvebic on the mint page 19:35 jordan4ibanez umm http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5381 19:35 jordan4ibanez I think he is high or something 19:36 jordan4ibanez also http://youtu.be/J6Yr3-Eiga4 19:37 mauvebic jordan you saw my rails? 19:38 jordan4ibanez link for me? 19:38 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80324#p80324 19:38 mauvebic its not totally ready yet (lack of turns and such) 19:39 mauvebic but where realism is concerned, im totally anal and went with standard gauge, which is the only one used on parts of each continent 19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam 19:40 jordan4ibanez those are nice! 19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet for the guy in minitesst 19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet the one in the inventory 19:40 mauvebic thanks! im gonna need to look up train car meshes soon :_ 19:41 jojoa1997|Tablet try looking at zemg or the skin mod casue he made 3d players see-able and that is a feature of minecraft 19:41 mauvebic not quite sure how do turns tho, 90 degree angles dont make much sense lol 19:41 mauvebic and diagonal rails with be the ultimate pita to texture lol 19:42 jojoa1997|Tablet mauvebic your termintor mod is named npc? 19:42 mauvebic you can rename it 19:42 mauvebic i never polished that mod 19:42 jojoa1997|Tablet but 19:42 mauvebic youll notice variable names from other mods too lol 19:43 jojoa1997|Tablet i thought it was a turret mod 19:43 mauvebic or if you already have NPC, merge the codes 19:43 jojoa1997|Tablet ok i will check it out 19:43 mauvebic naw i thought you wanted the walking shooting NPC? 19:43 jojoa1997|Tablet did you not give me the turret mod? 19:43 mauvebic jordan has the turret mod 19:43 mauvebic he sent it to me 19:44 jojoa1997|Tablet could you send me a link for a download 19:44 mauvebic shit i dont think i held onto it after merging it with npc 19:44 mauvebic jordan do you still have turret code? 19:45 jordan4ibanez cornernote has it 19:45 jordan4ibanez on his github 19:46 jojoa1997|Tablet ok and mauvebic 19:46 jojoa1997|Tablet it is missing the war mod for npc 19:47 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/H542nLTTbu0 youtube is a contest? 19:48 jordan4ibanez Oh it's a joke 19:48 jordan4ibanez I keep forgetting it's april fools day damnit 19:48 mauvebic dont have the war mod either anymore :/ 19:48 mauvebic when kaeza made firearms i dropped it 19:49 mauvebic steel girder rail bridge: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3104068906 19:49 jojoa1997|Tablet what about it depends on war mod 19:49 jojoa1997|Tablet oh the gun 19:50 jojoa1997|Tablet wellthere goes your npc mod 19:50 mauvebic not much i can do, no one took an interest then so i didn't maintain it 19:50 mauvebic if someone cared they would have forked it or something 19:51 jojoa1997|Tablet well maybe i can use it to have shooting npcs 19:52 mauvebic well if the turret code still exists somewhere all you gotta do is take that and put it into the NPC's on_step routine 19:53 mauvebic you just got lucky, look what i found on ompldr: http://ompldr.org/vZ2hqYQ/warmod.zip 19:53 mauvebic dont know if they match, but at least thecodes' there 20:00 mauvebic the ranks thread is gone? 20:00 mauvebic i mean it was a stupid idea, but hardly inapropriate? 20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet i dont think i will add the npc 20:04 khonkhortisan us_0gb, Copper has been made into a block 20:04 khonkhortisan oops ignore that 20:06 us_0gb Aw. I was hoping it would be. 20:06 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam wtf? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/583 20:07 jojoa1997|Tablet zoom should be entirely client side 20:07 jojoa1997|Tablet maybe serverside for later but for now all client side 20:07 PilzAdam yes 20:07 PilzAdam servers should be able to disable the feature, though 20:08 PilzAdam so move the setting for it to the server 20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet no 20:08 mauvebic entirely client side means all the players on any given server could be using it at the same time, which would crash the whole thing probably 20:08 mauvebic zoom priv 20:08 ShadowNinja that would be very annoying 20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet zoom is entirely cliient because one lag and two it isnt supposed to be a reduceable feature 20:08 mauvebic well it needs a zoom priv 20:08 us_0gb Yeah, it should be able to be disabled. 20:08 ShadowNinja no, it is client-side, t can't promote crashing 20:09 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, dont you listen? 20:09 PilzAdam read what I have wrote on github 20:09 jojoa1997|Tablet i did 20:09 mauvebic client side but the client is still loading more chunks from the server no? 20:09 ShadowNinja no, just the normal ones 20:09 mauvebic +1 for the idea but it needs controllin' 20:10 jojoa1997|Tablet yes it needs controlling but not privs 20:10 jojoa1997|Tablet unless privs are true by default 20:11 mauvebic for lenses/telescopes: youd need the ability of loading another camera instance in a formspec? 20:11 mauvebic and using that force_load entity? 20:12 mauvebic like a telescope would load the force_load entity, and relay the controls and camera view to the controlling player 20:12 mauvebic but for screenshot purposes zoom is enough :-) 20:13 jojoa1997|Tablet oph pilzadam 20:13 jojoa1997|Tablet for your bow mod 20:13 jojoa1997|Tablet you needs to let the player see the progression of pulling back and have a warmup time(2 second till full power) 20:17 Exio oh, that 20:17 Exio PilzAdam: what if i implement it as a "priv"? 20:17 Exio if user doesn't have the priv, don't do anything, like fly and noclip actually 20:17 Exio (and fast mode, i think) 20:18 PilzAdam would be nice, but the setting zoom_fov should still be on the server 20:18 mauvebic would be consistent :-) 20:18 Exio hm, not for me really, but well 20:18 mauvebic fov stands for what/ 20:19 PilzAdam field of view 20:19 Doyousketch2 well, I rendered the gource vid that Jordan mentioned - it's like a 5 gig YouTube clip 20:19 mauvebic ie radius? 20:19 Exio you can actually change it in the client 20:19 Exio ./set fov 15 20:19 Exio and will have the same effect 20:19 mauvebic yeah that should be settable, and preferably changeable ingame too 20:19 Exio you can do that mauvebic 20:19 Exio /set fov in-game 20:19 mauvebic ah well, forget i said anything then 20:19 Exio what i did is just an "automatic change when pressing a key" 20:19 mauvebic this is gonna be sweet 20:19 Exio that is why i think a server-side zoom_fov is pretty useless 20:19 Doyousketch2 I usually do FOV = 92 20:20 mauvebic now i can kick MC ass with my projects lol 20:20 Doyousketch2 any wider than that and it has missing blocks of the map beside / behind you 20:20 mauvebic when i say projects im not talking about dilapidated 60's social housing lol 20:23 jojoa1997|Tablet a lot of things should be configurable ingame 20:23 jojoa1997|Tablet like fov, textures, settings, light level 20:24 Exio what do you mean with settings? 20:24 Doyousketch2 sorry, I said Jordan. mean to to type Jordach :) 20:24 jojoa1997|Tablet fancy trees 3d clouds 20:24 ShadowNinja reach distance would be nice 20:25 Doyousketch2 *meant to. tired, just woke up. fingers aren't following what brain's thinking :P 20:27 mauvebic one thing at a time :p 20:27 mauvebic doing too much at once leads to bugs that are hard to trace :P 20:27 Doyousketch2 yeah, kinda wrecked the vid in the beginning by moving the mouse 20:28 Doyousketch2 it popped up a time-slider over a few frames. gonna re-render. 20:44 jordan4ibanez hi jeija 20:44 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/q8BLWISYESI lyk und sub 20:44 Jeija Hi jordan4ibanez 20:44 jordan4ibanez did you see the piston pushing commit thing? 20:44 Jeija mhm 20:45 jordan4ibanez just to make sure, this one: https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/pull/88 20:45 Jeija yes, I saw 20:45 Jeija Basically good thing, but I'd like to rewrite and clean up the code 20:45 jordan4ibanez okay 20:46 Jeija I guess I should have published some sort of guidelines for mesecons development 20:46 Jeija you couldn't know 20:46 Jeija like local x= pos.x+dir.x | local y = pos.y+dir.y | local z = pos.z+dir.z| object:setpos({x=x,y=y,z=z}) 20:47 Jeija instead the mesecon-ish way would be: 20:47 Jeija object:setpos(mesecon:addPosRule(pos, dir)) 20:47 Jeija sounds a lot simpler, doesn't it ;)? 20:47 jordan4ibanez Mhm 20:48 Jeija I also don't know if sticky pistons should pull objects... 20:48 jordan4ibanez No, it looks like crap 20:48 Jeija I'd prefer to make a dispenser that can also pull objects back in 20:48 jordan4ibanez a hopperspencer 20:49 jordan4ibanez I was going to start working on that in a few minutes :P 20:49 PilzAdam http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=channel%3A51438df6-0-2a15-96d8-89e013a143a&feature=iv&src_vid=H542nLTTbu0&v=HGeMGqVKD6A 20:49 Jeija The all-in-one solution for the minecraft stuff 20:49 PilzAdam can someone count all minetest vids? 20:50 jordan4ibanez there are minetest vids in there?! 20:50 PilzAdam if they read all vids, sure 20:51 jordan4ibanez wow 20:51 PilzAdam also your videos :-) 20:51 Jeija You should upload as many videos as possible till midnight so that you will be mentioned all the time 20:52 jordan4ibanez Oh gosh, even this one: http://youtu.be/q8BLWISYESI 20:52 mauvebic round hay bales :D 20:53 PilzAdam :-( #bestvideo is empty 20:55 mauvebic kinda random but, those KDE live wallpapers, do they work on xfce? 20:55 jordan4ibanez lolwut 20:56 mauvebic mute and watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIwAKTVte6U 20:56 jordan4ibanez if it's for kde probably not 20:57 Exio kde > xfce >:D 20:58 jordan4ibanez I'll agree with you, xfce is better than a smiley face 20:58 Exio fffff 21:00 Doyousketch2 lols 21:01 * Doyousketch2 likes XFCE 21:03 mauvebic kde is nice if youre not running anything else (or have 20 gigs of ram lol) 21:03 mauvebic in terms of heavy its something lke KDE, then gnome, then xfce, then all the *box's, etc. lol 21:03 us_0gb I don't need anything fancy. I just use gnome-fallback. 21:04 mauvebic xfce, lxde, then the *box's 21:04 mauvebic still, i wanted the fireplace live wallpaper so i could burn word documents 21:04 Doyousketch2 I've got XFCE on this one, and Gnome fallback on the other one 21:05 mauvebic gnome finally brought back classic mod (sortof) 21:05 mauvebic their user(s) were pleased :-) 21:06 Doyousketch2 yeah. can't move the toolbars around, but it's better than Gnome 3's weird tablet-style of doing things 21:07 Exio gnome3 is a fail 21:07 mauvebic i just dont like how they force you to focus on one window lol 21:07 Exio like 99% of the things what are "coming from redhat" actually 21:08 mauvebic their devs prolly type with 2 fingers too lol 21:08 Doyousketch2 lmao 21:08 Exio they use their fingers for other things, not coding 21:08 mauvebic true, mostly aimed at the users lol 21:08 Exio i meant other thing 21:08 mauvebic twiddling? 21:09 mauvebic sitting on? 21:09 mauvebic or scapegoating lol 21:11 Doyousketch2 I bet the Gnome 3 devs secretly use other desktop managers 21:11 mauvebic ill bank that theyre all on apple lol 21:11 mauvebic miguel de icaza pretty much proved that point 21:12 Doyousketch2 they're like "oh this? I just use it to compare with the competition. yeah that's it..." 21:12 mauvebic aaah, isnt my wife sweet, she brought me breakfast: beer and a cigarette 21:13 mauvebic its kinda funny for all the MS bashing linux circles do, they certainly do praise Apple, which by all accounts, behaves even worse than MS did in the 90s 21:13 Doyousketch2 could go for a cup of coffee, but I don't feel like actually doing the whole brew thing. 21:13 mauvebic you should get a tassimo, aparently the machine talks to you in david hyde pierce's voice 21:13 Doyousketch2 that reminds me, I was gonna get one of those Keurig things up here 21:14 mauvebic actually i read an article about "exploding discs" so i avoid those machines like the plague lol 21:15 Jordach oh dear god 21:15 Jordach my brother just said that some girl is wrong and he knows hes right 21:15 Jordach and then i just said: 21:15 mauvebic yeah but you never say that out loud 21:15 Jordach All women are like that# 21:16 mauvebic not only that they reserve the right to change their minds whenever they want without prior justification or warning :p 21:16 Doyousketch2 david hyde pierce? what was he, the voice of Kit from Knight Rider? 21:16 mauvebic david hyde pierce did Niles in frasier 21:16 mauvebic been pretty much off the radar since then 21:16 mauvebic apart from one movie lately where he played a psychopath 21:16 mauvebic 'The Perfect Host' 21:20 FreeFull Doyousketch2: No, he was the car itself 21:20 Jordach FreeFull, thats who Kit is 21:21 FreeFull Jordach: No, I mean he wasn't the voice actor 21:21 FreeFull He was the car 21:21 Doyousketch2 and the Hoff rode him all day long 21:23 Doyousketch2 or is that all Knight long... 21:23 mauvebic medieval armor sex? 21:23 mauvebic anyone got DW-40? 21:24 Doyousketch2 that reminds me, chain mail is heavy 21:25 Doyousketch2 remember my teacher bringing some in as a kid, and had me wear it to demonstrate it to the class 21:25 FreeFull How do you add a server to favourites? 21:26 PilzAdam FreeFull, just connect to it 21:27 jojoa1997|Tablet notin windows 21:27 Doyousketch2 it's in minetest/client/serverlist/favoriteservers.txt 21:27 jojoa1997|Tablet there is a bug in windows saving servers 21:28 us_0gb There's the same bug in the official Ubuntu 10.04 64 bit package. 21:28 us_0gb *12.04 21:29 us_0gb Oddly, if you compile it yourself on 64 bit Ubuntu 12.04, the bug isn't there. 21:29 PilzAdam the problem is that windows writes "\r\n" at the end of lines instead of "\n" 21:29 Doyousketch2 you format the favoriteservers.txt file like this - http://pastebin.com/uGWBfVTh 21:30 us_0gb Hmm. That is a problem, PilzAdam. But it doesn't explain the Ubuntu issue. Unless that's a separate issue that just looks the same? 21:32 * us_0gb considers using four "m"s every time he says "hmm", to alert hmmmm for having that name 21:32 Doyousketch2 lols 21:33 sapier1 :-) good idea us_0gb I've got same problem 21:33 us_0gb Does he get alerted even if I used the /me command? 21:33 Exio that depends of the client 21:33 sapier1 don't know 21:34 sapier1 hmm isn't hmm mm ;-) 21:34 * us_0gb had a cool client on Debian, but had to switch back to Ubuntu to get Minetest to run decently 21:34 us_0gb I know. Which is why I considered using four "m"s. 21:35 us_0gb In my /me command, I did mention hmmmm with four "m"s. 21:35 * Doyousketch2 wonders why us_0gb can't compile the client for Ubuntu..? 21:35 * us_0gb DID compile the client on Ububtu 21:35 Doyousketch2 which one was it? 21:35 Exio us_0gb: 'had a cool client'? 21:35 us_0gb 0.4.5 21:36 us_0gb OH! That client. 21:36 sapier1 I didn't get minetest working on ubuntu but fine on debian ;-) 21:36 Doyousketch2 oh, I thought you meant like Xchat or something 21:36 us_0gb Empathy for Debian is WAY better than Empathy for Ubuntu. So I'm still using Empathy, but it isn't as good. 21:37 us_0gb I can't seem to get other chat clients to integrate with the desktop, so Empathy is my olny option. 21:37 Doyousketch2 oh. saw that in there but never ran it 'cuz I didn't know what it was. had a girly name 21:38 us_0gb Ha ha. 21:39 us_0gb I prefer Pidgin, but that only seems to integrate in Mint. 21:39 Exio weechat > * 21:39 us_0gb Pidgin alerts me when I have email. 21:39 ShadowNinja irssi :-) 21:40 Exio in my laptop i have an emailchecker in my status 21:40 Doyousketch2 does Pidgin do SMS too? 21:41 us_0gb SMS? I wouldn't know. I have a great dislike for SMS, so I don't use it. 21:41 cisoun where da hell are those jungles ?? 21:41 us_0gb You have to configure the world to have them. 21:41 cisoun oh right ! 21:41 cisoun thanks. 21:42 us_0gb PilzAdam: before the release, could you pleas make floating isle, dungeons, and jungles the default? 21:42 us_0gb *please 21:42 us_0gb *isles 21:42 PilzAdam no, that would screw up peoples maps 21:43 Doyousketch2 yeah I hate SMS too. wish everybody were psychic already, so I wouldn't have to waste my time with text. 21:44 us_0gb PilzAdam: Fine. I can't seem to get dungeons and jungles to apear though, even with it added to the world's file. I haven't tried the floating isles yet. I guess I'll just keep trying. 21:44 PilzAdam do not modify the map-meta.txt 21:44 us_0gb Doyousketch2: It's SMS speak I really don't like. 21:44 PilzAdam set mg_flags in minetest.conf at world creation 21:45 us_0gb Do not modify map-meta.txt? Okay. 21:45 us_0gb PilzAdam: How do I upgrade an old world to add jungles, dungeons, and floating isles (as well as any other new things)? 21:46 PilzAdam you cant 21:46 us_0gb What? That's not cool. There must be some way, something that makes new worlds different than old worlds. What is the difference between a new and old world? 21:47 us_0gb Hmm. 21:47 us_0gb I mean, hmmmm. 21:48 * us_0gb is going to try anyway. Some people on his server are exited about the new jungles and dungeons, and it would be sad to disapoint them 21:49 cisoun gaddamn, these jungles are still hard to find 21:49 PilzAdam the jungles are very common 21:50 cisoun I added v6_jungle in minetest.conf. Do I have to add something else ? 21:50 PilzAdam create a new world after that 21:50 cisoun I did. 21:50 cisoun w00t 21:50 PilzAdam and have you added it? 21:50 PilzAdam +how 21:51 cisoun **** I'M STUPID 21:51 cisoun The line's still commented. 21:51 cisoun Let's see now... 21:52 us_0gb What do you add to minetest.conf to get floating isles in a new world? 21:53 ShadowNinja do they exist in core now? 21:53 Exio us_0gb: mg_name = indev 21:53 PilzAdam mg_name = indev 21:53 Exio ninja'd PilzAdam :P 21:53 PilzAdam no, 10 seconds isnt ninja'd 21:54 us_0gb Okay, thanks! 21:54 Exio so? :P 21:55 us_0gb PilzAdam: I see what you meant about jungles messing up old worlds. This used to be a BAY, and now it's a jungle. The ocean has become land! 21:57 us_0gb Is the flat flag compatible with the jungle flag? Also, I thing the flat flag may be what messed up the bay, not the jungle. 21:57 cisoun mmmh still no jungles 21:57 cisoun dafuq mapgen 21:58 us_0gb Flat is no fun. New world time. 21:59 jordan4ibanez why is this minetest.register_alias("mapgen_air", "default:glass") 21:59 jordan4ibanez not working 21:59 ShadowNinja remove the other alias 21:59 jordan4ibanez there are no other aliaseseseseseseses 22:00 ShadowNinja have you checked default and builtin? 22:00 jordan4ibanez or maybe there are... 22:00 us_0gb Okay, without flat but with jungles, my forest by the bay became a jungle by the bay. That's more what I would have expected. 22:02 us_0gb Now I just need to find a dungeon .... 22:03 * us_0gb needs a mossy cobblestone detector 22:03 jordan4ibanez dafawk I can't alias air to anything 22:04 Exio where are you editing that? 22:04 jordan4ibanez mapgen.lua 22:05 Doyousketch2 grr. why can't I rename files? 22:05 us_0gb Drats. I can't teleport. 22:05 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, I think the engine places directly air, and not mapgen_air 22:05 kaeza greetings channel 22:05 cisoun greetings user 22:05 us_0gb Greetings. 22:05 jordan4ibanez minetest.register_alias("mapgen_air", "default:glass") 22:05 jordan4ibanez minetest.register_alias("air", "default:glass") 22:06 Doyousketch2 ok, so under DOS, to batch rename, you'd just go - ren red*.txt blue*.txt 22:06 jordan4ibanez No glass is generating 22:06 Doyousketch2 under linux it's mv instead, right? 22:06 Jeija http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dICF9Zs_Ic 22:07 Doyousketch2 but it complains that the output isn't a directory, so I set the -T flag to treat the output as a normal file 22:07 jordan4ibanez lmfao c55 at 0:12 "I'll be going now...." 22:08 mauvebic for a round hay bale, i could get away with 1m in height/width? 22:08 Doyousketch2 mv -T red*.txt blue*.txt - then it tells me I have an "extra operand" 22:08 kaeza Doyousketch2, the best way is using a loop with some other command like 'sed' or 'cut' 22:09 jordan4ibanez but yeah that mapgen thing has me stumped 22:09 jordan4ibanez or i mean, alias thing 22:10 kaeza Doyousketch2, for file in foo*.txt; do newfile=`echo "$file" | sed -e 's/foo\([^\.]\)\.txt/bar\1.txt/'`; mv "$file" "$newfile"; done 22:11 Kacey hi all 22:11 kaeza hey Kacey 22:13 Doyousketch2 ty, I'll try it 22:14 jordan4ibanez hopefully that'll be fixed or something >.< 22:16 Kacey i think something cool to see in mesecons would be multicolored lightstones made with dyes 22:17 Kacey that would change from a digiline signal 22:19 Doyousketch2 eh, kaeza, I did something wrong. It's telling me they are the same file. 22:20 Doyousketch2 I'm trying to change stained*.png into frosted*.png - here's what I thought you meant - for file in stained*.png; do newfile=`echo "$file" | sed -e 's/stained\([^\.]\)\.png/frosted\1.png/'`; mv "$file" "$newfile"; done 22:20 kaeza ah my bad 22:20 kaeza the sed script is 's/foo\(.*\)\.txt/...' 22:21 Doyousketch2 the filetype names are like this - stained_glass_pastel_violet.png 22:21 Doyousketch2 k, I'll try again 22:23 kaeza either that or try a GUI batch renamer like gfnrename 22:32 cisoun any thoughts about my jungle texture ? http://cisoun.dyndns.org:9000/jungle.jpg 22:33 Doyousketch2 kaeza, almost got it. now they're called rosted*.png - for file in stained*.png; do newfile=`echo "$file" | sed -e 's/stained\(.*\)\.png/ \frosted\1.png/'`; mv "$file" "$newfile"; done 22:34 Doyousketch2 I'm guessing I wasn't supposed to put the escape character before f in frosted 22:34 jordan4ibanez cisoun, that looks really nice 22:34 cisoun thanks o/ 22:35 jordan4ibanez o/ \o cisoun, do you know why I can't alias air to anything? 22:35 Doyousketch2 I mean, they're all named - rosted 22:35 cisoun I must say, I've never worked with aliases :( 22:35 Doyousketch2 it 22:36 jordan4ibanez hmmmm did something break the alias for air in the mapgen update? 22:36 Doyousketch2 it's got some goofy box with some hex 00 0c in it 22:36 Doyousketch2 dunno, gonna delete the dir and try again from scratch 22:37 hmmmm no, jordan, there are two mapgen_air aliases, you need to edit both of them. 22:37 Octupus Hi 22:38 jordan4ibanez oh okay, where, or what are they called/located? 22:38 Octupus bet no1 remember me 22:39 jordan4ibanez hmmmm 22:40 hmmmm one is in init.lua, the other is in mapgen.lua 22:40 jordan4ibanez thank you 22:41 hmmmm could've just done grep -r mapgen_air games/minetest_game/* 22:41 jordan4ibanez There's no mapgen_air in my init.lua 22:42 Doyousketch2 ok, that does it, but I'll need to re-batch-convert the graphics in GIMP again :P 22:42 hmmmm sounds like you've got a corrupted init.lua file 22:42 PilzAdam hmmmm, only in minimal/init.lua 22:42 hmmmm ah 22:44 Exio so, you are doing it wrong 22:49 jordan4ibanez even in minimal it does not work 22:50 kaeza Doyousketch2, \frosted\1.png ?? 22:51 kaeza \f is a form feed 22:51 kaeza remove the first '\' 22:51 kaeza that's why it is putting that funny char in the name :) 22:52 Sketch2 yeah, I wasn't certain on the way you use sed at first. I figured it out. it's doing ok. ty 22:54 mauvebic hehe http://ompldr.org/vaHlsZQ/screenshot_3352064698.png 22:54 Sketch2 as it turns out, this batch file thing is bloating my images with unnecessary data tho. I'd-a had to redo them anyway. 22:58 Sketch2 well, I guess not "had to" but preferred to. they're 16 px images so the filesize is minuscule, but I prefer clean code. 23:00 us_0gb Clean code is usually best. 23:00 Sketch2 62k vs 15k 23:01 jordan4ibanez should minetest's grass sound crunchy or lucious? 23:02 mauvebic lol 23:03 mauvebic got a picture of some retarded makeup commercial in my head 23:03 mauvebic didn't they change it already? 23:04 mauvebic international hay: http://ompldr.org/vaHlsaw/screenshot_3352775514.png 23:05 jordan4ibanez what is that? xD 23:05 mauvebic while i was in the bathroom i got an idea about converting meshes to nodeboxes 23:07 mauvebic the hay or the bathroom idea? 23:08 jordan4ibanez oh okay 23:08 Exio hey 23:08 Exio kaeza: CPU~Single core mobile AMD Duron (-UP-) clocked at 899.951 Mhz Kernel~2.6.32-bpo.5-686 i686 Up~6 min Mem~18.4/217.0MB HDD~80.0GB(67.1% used) Procs~57 Client~Shell inxi~1.8.45 23:09 kaeza wot 23:09 Exio supa computer 23:09 Exio DDR1, IDE, 256 mb of ram, SiS 315 IGP 23:10 jordan4ibanez fastest dos machine ever 23:11 kaeza hah 23:11 kaeza install puppy on that one :3 23:12 Sketch2 you can run Debian Wheezy XFCE on it, and it'll run fine 23:12 Exio debian already runs perfectly 23:12 Exio i can start X11+KDE if i need 23:15 mauvebic ugh still cant find a decent barley texture 23:15 mauvebic i keep getting pics from a farm simulator game lol 23:19 * VanessaE peeks back in 23:20 Sketch2 hi V 23:20 VanessaE hey 23:20 us_0gb Hey, VanessaE. 23:21 us_0gb Does anyone know what the alleged issue is with adding jungles and dungeons to old worlds is? 23:22 VanessaE maybe because they're only added on-generate 23:22 VanessaE so an old world would never see 'em 23:23 Exio => "glitches" in new generated chunks/mapblocks 23:23 us_0gb I was told it cannot be done, yet my first experement trying proved sucessful. 23:23 us_0gb They only show up in new areas, but are still there. 23:23 us_0gb What kind of glitches? 23:23 us_0gb I saw dirt in a jungle cannopy. Things such as that? 23:24 VanessaE us_0gb: that happens with moretrees too. 23:25 VanessaE dirt on top of trees, 23:25 us_0gb So that's probably not hte glitch then, I guess. 23:25 VanessaE hills cutting into/deleting trees, etc. 23:25 VanessaE it's a mapgen glitch, that bit of code that handles the border between two chunks 23:25 hmmmm dirt on trees won't happen with mapgen v7 =] 23:26 Exio hmmmm: where is the v7 then 23:26 Exio :P 23:26 hmmmm v7? why would you want that 23:26 hmmmm coulda' had a v8 23:26 Exio because.. 23:26 Exio xD 23:26 us_0gb V8 isn't as good as generic vegetable juice, oddly enough. 23:27 Exio well hmmmm 23:27 VanessaE *groan* 23:27 rarkenin Include lemon. 23:27 Exio why v8, if we can have v9!!!!!!!!!111!!!!one 23:27 hmmmm because there is no such thing as v9 23:27 us_0gb I had a V8 after years, and was quite disapointed that it wasn't as good as I remembered. 23:27 hmmmm can't stand vegetable juice 23:27 Sketch2 they make a V8 with a hint of pepper in it now, is that considered V9? 23:27 hmmmm lol 23:28 Exio btw hmmmm 23:28 us_0gb Mixed vegetable with lemon is SO good. Better than V8 with lemon. 23:28 Exio if you want someone to try benchmarks in low-end hardware 23:28 rarkenin Tomato+sea salt+lemon for the win! 23:28 hmmmm haha, no thanks, i have plenty of low end hardware 23:28 Sketch2 yeah, they watered it down and it has less salt 23:28 Exio i have all the stuff you may think 23:28 Exio sempron, c10, intel atom, intel celeron, amd duron 23:29 VanessaE Sketch2: no, see, they'll wait for V10, which will have a dash of thousand-island dressing in it. then it'll be OVER 9000!!!! 23:29 VanessaE ;) 23:29 Exio armv6, too 23:29 hmmmm i have all that and more 23:29 hmmmm well aside from the duron 23:29 Sketch2 or Vodka already included in the mix ;) 23:29 us_0gb Thousand island? I'll pass. Also, over 9000 what? You forgot your unit of measurement. 23:30 hmmmm power level 23:30 Exio l33tness level 23:30 us_0gb POwer level still needs a unit of measurement. 23:30 Exio hmmmm: do you? :P 23:30 Sketch2 I heard somone won a court-case that way. apparently a Dollar is a unit of measurement 23:30 VanessaE us_0gb: it's a silly meme. 23:30 Exio 9001 23:30 hmmmm old one too 23:31 us_0gb VanessaE: Ah, I see. 23:31 hmmmm when i heard that, i almost thought it was 2007 23:31 Sketch2 they were ordered to pay like 1000 dollars, so they argued "dollars of what" 23:31 hmmmm zimbabue dollars 23:31 Exio monopoly dollars 23:31 VanessaE hmmmm: somehow, that stupid meme seems to hang on though 23:31 Sketch2 pissed off the judge so bad he finally gave in and said "I don't care if it's in coffee beans!" so they did 23:32 Exio i wonder how many hours i will need to compile minetest in the amd duron 23:32 Exio maybe 1:30 23:32 jordan4ibanez 3 23:32 Exio 7 23:32 Sketch2 it was way more tho as I recall. mighta been 30k coffee beans 23:33 jordan4ibanez I hate and love dubblebubble gum 23:33 jordan4ibanez I love it because of the huge bubbles, but I hate it because more of it is stuck to my beard and moustache now than I'm actually chewing 23:35 PilzAdam bye 23:37 Sketch2 oh Exio, it'll prolly be half-an hour 23:40 Sketch2 dunno, tried it on a P4 and it was about half-an-hour, so I'd imagine a Duron is 'prolly similar 23:42 Exio i should setup distcc 23:42 us_0gb What is distcc? 23:42 Exio distributed compiler 23:42 Sketch2 yeah, was thinking distributed computing might be smooth for map generation 23:43 Sketch2 you could have another PC do that so it doesn't lag the server 23:43 Sketch2 can't you just set the -j2 flag? 23:43 Sketch2 if it's a dual core, maybe -j4 23:44 Exio bulldozer 6100 + intel atom n270 + amd duron (900mhz) + arm v6 (toolchain, for compiling to x86) 23:44 Exio building mt in the (insert the network latency here) 23:45 Sketch2 where do you find that? I've got like 6 pc's here 23:45 Exio find what? 23:45 Exio the "computers"? my computers since 2003 :P 23:46 Exio i can get two laptops (other) if i need to try to stuff, what have windows 7 (c10, dual core 1ghz) and a sempron 23:46 Sketch2 oh nevermnd. I just type the wrong thing into google and got DISCC - The Duke Information System for Cardiovascular Care 23:46 Exio i have 3 usb keys so i can have liveusbs :D 23:46 Exio lol 23:47 Sketch2 yeah, huge difference there 23:47 mauvebic i wonder if running a server off the terminal of a netbook would be practical 23:47 Exio rpi instead 23:48 mauvebic usb keys... i still cant get arch to recognize them lol 23:48 Sketch2 put XBMC on your old XBOX and make a render-farm out of it 23:48 mauvebic XBMC, the HTTC platform? 23:49 mauvebic tv/movies and such? 23:49 Exio 20:48:53 up 1 day, 20:18, load average: 8.00, 8.08, 8.09 23:49 Sketch2 X-Box Media Center. it's linux for your... yea 23:49 Exio dat load average :P 23:49 us_0gb Running a server on a laptop is doable, assuming not too many people log in at once. 23:50 mauvebic i was thinking it might be the best grief protection, keep the original on the tower, run a copy off the netbook 23:50 Exio you can run everything under anything 23:50 Exio mauvebic: proper backups 23:50 mauvebic i do but i sometimes forget or overwrite lol 23:50 Sketch2 I'd bet an Xbox has enough computing power to generate maps 23:50 mauvebic you dont want to see /home 23:50 mauvebic lol 23:50 us_0gb My world kept getting corrupted for a while. Backups saved SO much from being lost. 23:51 mauvebic im hearing more and more about that, but its never happened here, how do maps get so corrupted? 23:51 Sketch2 keep the servers dedicated to doing the serving, and offload lesser tasks to other processors 23:52 us_0gb My computer is messing up. Debian is rejecting its host machine. It's causeing corupted maps. 23:52 us_0gb I'm going to try Ubuntu, and see if it does any better. 23:52 mauvebic doesnt make much technical sense to me, do you mean debian is screwing with your files/hard drives? 23:52 mauvebic like, is it minetest or the system corrupting the maps? 23:53 mauvebic i think vanessa had the same issue with her maps more than once, what does she run? 23:53 VanessaE I run xubuntu 12.04. 23:53 us_0gb Debian is messing up the network connection, so I have to restart it to get the connection back up. Restarting with Minetest still up sometimes corrupts the data. But without the connection, I can't ssh in and shut down Minetest properly. 23:54 VanessaE what do you mean by "corrupted" 23:54 mauvebic well youve had to migrate buildings from one map to another for whatever reason 23:54 us_0gb I mean the world will no longer start up, and must be discarded. 23:54 mauvebic id call it a corrupted map but the cause remains ambiguous 23:54 VanessaE that wasn't a corruption issue, it was just time for a new map is all 23:54 VanessaE people kept getting silly with the old map, making it kinda ugly 23:55 mauvebic ahh, i guess thats where tiered worlds would come in handy, upper tiers reserved to proven builders 23:56 VanessaE mauvebic: besides, the old map was simply not well organized. the current one is very much so. 23:56 mauvebic much the same with my new map, everything is planned 23:56 mauvebic size matters less than detail at this point lol 23:57 mauvebic infrastructure first, then buildings lol 23:57 mauvebic wtf, are they called 'Jersey Barriers' or 'K-Rails' (internationally)? 23:57 mauvebic ^ random 23:59 mauvebic i guess 'krail' would be shorter