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00:00 jordan4ibanez Now to fix all the serialization to make the mod truely almost complete
00:00 rarkenin|away Is the source available for MinetestBot? I'd like to deploy a modified version in ##minetest-0gb.us
00:01 jordan4ibanez sfan5
00:02 hmmmm nice
00:02 hmmmm DRM in HTML:  http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/457033/adobe_fly_us_cheaper_software/
00:02 hmmmm whoops, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Feb/0122.html
00:02 jordan4ibanez damn dude, those are some big words
00:03 jordan4ibanez how do you even put drm in html?!
00:03 jordan4ibanez do you have to pay for the web page?
00:04 jordan4ibanez and to think about that how do you even have rights to words and symbols
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00:46 PilzAdam bye
00:48 us_0gb Bye, PilzAdam.
00:49 us_0gb Oops, I was too late.
00:52 jordan4ibanez lol
00:52 jordan4ibanez Who is the one who created mapgen?
00:56 us_0gb Several people built mapgen, I believe.
00:57 Exio the one who "created" the <<actual>> mapgen is c55 (afaik)
00:58 Exio the one who is working on the new mapgen v7 with biomes and super-cool (and actually optimizing the mapgenv6/actual) is hmmmm
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01:04 hmmmm yea ^
01:05 hmmmm honestly, i think mapgen v6 can create some pretty interesting terrain, but you've seen it all after a while
01:06 hmmmm what's minetest classic compressed with again?  do i uncompress or deflate?
01:09 Exio what?
01:09 hmmmm nvm, deflate
01:09 Exio ah
01:11 hmmmm minetest, i meant to say minecraft
01:16 Exio and just being "annoying", do you have "maybe ETA" of the mg v7? :P
01:16 jordan4ibanez who is the person who made this version of mapgen
01:16 Exio [21:57:48] <Exio> the one who "created" the <<actual>> mapgen is c55 (afaik)
01:16 Exio [21:58:15] <Exio> the one who is working on the new mapgen v7 with biomes and super-cool (and actually optimizing the mapgenv6/actual) is hmmmm
01:16 jordan4ibanez okay
01:17 hmmmm this current mapgen is based on mapgen V2
01:17 jordan4ibanez hmmmm can you make it so you can load up a chunk at a position through lua?
01:17 hmmmm no.
01:17 Exio hmmmm is the one who likes to rewrite everything until it gets fast as ASM
01:17 Exio (or maybe faster!)
01:17 hmmmm ...or just rewrite things so it's not as bad
01:18 Exio hehe, i know :P
01:18 Exio just a joke because it seems funny if you see the commits
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01:20 hmmmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCcvE0-r1u4
01:30 jordan4ibanez I wish entities auto serialized all their data
01:33 jordan4ibanez now slimes are serialized, so they won't be randomly gone when you leave an area and come back!
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01:36 Traxie21 Hey guise
01:36 jordan4ibanez Wow that's actually really neat, I got kind of used to the things just dissapearing, now they're constant!
01:36 jordan4ibanez hi traxie
01:36 Traxie21 Do any of you know how to compile minetest for linux with all the required libraries (curl, irrlicht, etc.) built in to the excecutable?
01:36 Traxie21 Btw, I have a ServerExtended testing server up
01:36 Traxie21 sunrisetest.no-ip.org
01:37 Traxie21 http://sunrisetest.no-ip.org
01:37 jordan4ibanez Traxie want to test my latest slimes on your server?
01:37 Traxie21 Erm
01:37 Traxie21 It lags as it is, but possibly
01:38 jordan4ibanez but slimes are as light as it gets! xD
01:38 Traxie21 still, I'm on a kindle, and I can't really use FTP as it is
01:38 Traxie21 wget ftw
01:38 Traxie21 orite
01:38 Exio i wonder
01:38 Exio do you even use a desktop?
01:38 Exio ever*
01:38 Traxie21|Kindle I used webssh to configure and start the server XD
01:38 Traxie21|Kindle Nope
01:39 Traxie21|Kindle I use a laptop, when I'm at my office, but then, when I'm on my laptop, I don't use IRC or forums much
01:39 Traxie21|Kindle All my coding is on the laptop
01:39 Exio ah ok
01:39 Traxie21|Kindle I didn't bring my SD card to the office today, so I didnt have any minetest files.
01:39 Exio i never saw you connected from the laptop, at least when i'm reading the channel
01:39 Traxie21|Kindle So bored
01:39 Exio s/reading/stalking
01:40 Traxie21|Kindle Normally, when I'm just Traxie21, I'm on my laptop, but sometimes I forget to type Traxie21|Kindle
01:40 Traxie21|Kindle :I
01:40 Exio ah
01:40 Traxie21|Kindle I'm getting really fast at typing on this thing
01:40 Traxie21|Kindle Can someone connect to my server for a bit and just see if it works?"
01:40 Traxie21|Kindle I haven't tested it yet, except for pinging it
01:41 Traxie21|Kindle It should be in the public server list
01:41 Exio i can't try actually, i need to download stuff and my connection is.. a bit.. shitty for saying it "soft"
01:42 Traxie21|Kindle lol
01:42 Traxie21|Kindle </100MB connection at work>
01:42 Traxie21|Kindle Mb/s
01:42 Traxie21|Kindle Maybe 10MB/s, not sure
01:45 Traxie21|Kindle Meow
01:45 * Traxie21|Kindle puts a cat on NekoGloop's head.
01:46 Exio Traxie21|Kindle: you can think a dialup network
01:46 NekoGloop meow
01:46 Exio 54kbps, is faster than this
01:46 Traxie21|Kindle Wow
01:47 jordan4ibanez Cispa
01:47 jordan4ibanez http://www.cispaisback.org/
01:47 jordan4ibanez and I found a weird rule with mesecons torches
01:47 jordan4ibanez http://imgur.com/d2roQp2,r6f5VRG
01:47 jordan4ibanez there's nothing under those torches except more dirt
01:48 Traxie21|Kindle O-o
01:48 Exio here i has a medium "speed" of, like, between 25kbps to (when i can use it alone) 256kbps
01:48 Traxie21|Kindle entered email in cispais
01:48 Exio the best networks, 4ever
01:48 Traxie21|Kindle :L
01:49 Traxie21|Kindle What the hell do cats have to do with cispa
01:50 jordan4ibanez I don't know
01:50 * Traxie21|Kindle puts another cat on NekoGloop's head
01:50 * NekoGloop meow
01:50 Traxie21|Kindle Jordan, got a free moment?
01:50 jordan4ibanez yeah
01:50 jordan4ibanez might not respond though, making pet slimes
01:50 Traxie21|Kindle can you connect to sunrisetest.no-ip.org on MT and see if it works?
01:51 Traxie21|Kindle If its not too laggy, I'll see about installing slimes on it as soon as I get to a real computer.
01:51 Traxie21|Kindle BUT
01:51 Traxie21|Kindle Only if the eyes and mouth jiggle
01:51 Traxie21|Kindle :P
01:51 Traxie21|Kindle jk
01:51 jordan4ibanez I like the chat monitoring
01:52 Traxie21|Kindle Hm?
01:52 Traxie21|Kindle What do you mean?
01:52 jordan4ibanez you type
01:52 Traxie21|Kindle Marow
01:52 jordan4ibanez [player] boobsmcgoob: ajdaskdjsakjsd
01:53 * Traxie21|Kindle is typing!
01:54 Exio god
01:54 jordan4ibanez can I set infotext for an entity?
01:54 Exio http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1710&amp;p=8
01:54 Exio the last comment
01:54 Traxie21|Kindle Probably not
01:54 Traxie21|Kindle I hate not being able to open links on a kindle, it makes me so curious
01:54 jordan4ibanez ban yoyobuddy
01:54 jordan4ibanez he's just a troll
01:55 Traxie21|Kindle He seems to be at least an immature bi
01:55 Traxie21|Kindle cyclwe
01:55 Traxie21|Kindle *cycle
01:55 * Traxie21|Kindle knows what you were thinking
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01:56 jordan4ibanez I don't like how people are trying to make mob apis
01:56 Traxie21|Kindle They lag
01:56 Traxie21|Kindle and lag
01:56 Traxie21|Kindle and leg
01:56 Exio that is called lua
01:56 jordan4ibanez no offense, but if each mob is a cookiecutter, what's the point?
01:57 jordan4ibanez each mob needs love and attention to be original and exciting
01:57 Traxie21|Kindle MobF is powerful, but slow as... well... me on the toilet.
01:57 jordan4ibanez mobf is crap
01:57 Exio 'kay
01:57 Traxie21|Kindle Good pun
01:57 Exio try to write a fast IA in Lua
01:57 jordan4ibanez each mob needs it's own individual ai, not one from a pickup list
01:57 jordan4ibanez I already did
01:57 Exio hostile mob?
01:57 jordan4ibanez Yes
01:58 jordan4ibanez semi hostile too
01:58 Traxie21|Kindle Jeija's slime AI was still obvious when it was lagging
01:58 Traxie21|Kindle as was the nyancat mod I helped 12me21 with
01:58 Exio i'd say there we just need the pathfinding in the engine
01:58 Exio and people start using it
01:58 Traxie21|Kindle ^I should make that one poop rainbows
01:58 jordan4ibanez Now pathfinding would be great!
01:58 Traxie21|Kindle Exio, theres a pull request with AI , but its not comitted yet
01:58 Exio you switch to luajit, and profit, mobs faster "as hell"
01:59 Exio Traxie21|Kindle: that is about what i'm talking
01:59 Traxie21|Kindle They'll get as fast as me in the kitchen
01:59 Exio sapier's pull reuqest, no?
01:59 jordan4ibanez Someone made pathfinding in lua
01:59 Exio lol
01:59 jordan4ibanez it's kind of crazy
01:59 Exio jordan4ibanez: you have benchmarks of the pathfind in lua, luajit, compiled lua, -O3 in the core and -O1 (or -O0, idr) in the core
01:59 jordan4ibanez but works
02:00 Traxie21|Kindle i gttg
02:00 Exio it is in this way: lua = seconds, compiled lua = seconds
02:00 * kaeza yawns
02:00 Traxie21|Kindle welp
02:00 Traxie21|Kindle bai
02:00 Exio luajit = ms, c even less ms!
02:00 Exio bai
02:00 * Traxie21|Kindle yawns at kaeza
02:01 Traxie21|Kindle kthxbai
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02:02 kaeza ShadowNinja, in IRC mod, my code is WTFPL; luasocket and LuaIRC have their licenses in the respective LICENSE- files.
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02:07 ShadowNinja kaeza: so what exactly is /join and /part supposed to do?
02:08 kaeza ShadowNinja, they add and remove you from the list that the mod sends messages to
02:08 jordan4ibanez get_free_disk_space() oh wow that's very useful!
02:08 kaeza (and receives from)
02:09 ShadowNinja hmm, /part seems to do nothing, was there a bug?
02:10 kaeza well... nobody used it, so I didn't take the time to see if there were any bugs
02:10 kaeza (I mean /part and /join of course)
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02:11 kaeza the original idea was to create a new connection to the IRC server for each player
02:11 kaeza but c55 pointed that it may cause problems for servers with many players (server may refuse connection)
02:12 kaeza anyway, what is the bug exactly?
02:13 kaeza you still receive messages?
02:15 ShadowNinja yes, with auto join on nobody can part and vice-versa
02:16 ShadowNinja and players don't seem to be removed from !who
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02:20 Exio night
02:26 kaeza aww crap.. who wrote this shit?
02:27 ShadowNinja line 64: mt_irc.connected_players[name] = false; should be nil
02:27 kaeza yes
02:27 kaeza mt_irc.part/join is so bugged I'm glad it didn't accidentally wipe out people's hard drives
02:28 ShadowNinja lol
02:29 ShadowNinja also, some sort of !command teleport [...] like command would be good
02:29 kaeza delete line 77 of init.lua also
02:30 kaeza ShadowNinja, https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc_admin
02:32 kaeza marktraceur apparently was using that one to manage his servers without having to log-in
02:33 ShadowNinja I think being able to run arbritrary commands would be better
02:36 kaeza hmm I don't think that many commands are needed remotely.
02:37 kaeza irc_admin supplies basic grant/revoke/ban/unban stuff
02:37 kaeza but since it's just a copypasta of how the game handles chat messages, why not?
02:38 ShadowNinja but not /addjail for example
02:38 kaeza my intention was that other mods added those bot commands themselves (if irc was installed)
02:39 alex256 shadowninja may i please interact on your server?
02:39 ShadowNinja that adds a lot of cod that could be one command
02:39 ShadowNinja alex256: one sec...
02:39 alex256 cool
02:41 alex256 thanks
02:41 jordan4ibanez would anyone like to see the basics for the pet slime mode? :3
02:45 kaeza ShadowNinja, I can add that to irc_admin to use the (crude) auth mechanism
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02:45 kaeza you don't want untrusted users calling "!command ban" do you?
02:46 ShadowNinja then just use minetest.setting_get("name") for the name
02:46 ShadowNinja what is the password set by, a config option?
02:47 kaeza yes
02:47 kaeza actually... no
02:47 kaeza It's in config.lua I guess
02:48 ShadowNinja that is what I meant
02:48 ShadowNinja I think you might be able to use the auth table
02:48 ShadowNinja then anyone could login
02:48 kaeza hmm
02:48 ShadowNinja and use only their privs
02:49 kaeza I haven't thought about that
02:49 jordan4ibanez hmm
02:49 jordan4ibanez say I want to check if a player is not within a radius
02:49 jordan4ibanez how would I do that? I'm having a brain fart
02:50 jordan4ibanez there's player jordan4ibanez, and celeron55, but it is looking for kaeza, how would I find if kaeza is NOT in the radius?
02:50 kaeza minetest.get_objects_in_radius() coupled with obj:is_player()
02:51 kaeza or smth like that
02:52 jordan4ibanez oh yeah, got it
02:56 kaeza anyway, care to add auth support Shadow? :)
02:56 kaeza I have no clue how that works
02:56 ShadowNinja maybe, I will have to check auth.lua
02:57 jordan4ibanez now slimes are tamable, and they will follow you, if you get too far, they teleport to you
02:57 jordan4ibanez if they get within 3 of you, they won't hop any further towards you
02:58 kaeza jordan4ibanez, can you design some kind of MOB that is stronger or harder than a Vombie but not too hard as a DM?
02:59 jordan4ibanez Yes, but I need to perfect these slimerz first
02:59 kaeza I'm creating sort of a roguelike using dungeon game as base
02:59 kaeza s#roguelike#MUD/RPG#
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03:01 kaeza ehrmagerd. it's lermerfern
03:02 ShadowNinja hmm, is the hash salted?
03:02 ShadowNinja and if so how?
03:03 kaeza dunno. I have no idea how authentication works, hence, my stupid approach 8)
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03:07 ShadowNinja good, just salted with the player name, this might actualy work
03:09 jordan4ibanez what is the player's inventory called?
03:09 jordan4ibanez "main" ?
03:11 ShadowNinja yes, I think so, check the chest code
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03:20 Kacey O.o
03:20 Kacey no way...
03:20 Kacey do my eyes decieve me?
03:20 kaeza wut
03:20 Kacey --> cornernote (~cornernot@27-33-254-153.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #minetest
03:20 cornernote hey Kacey
03:21 Kacey hi cornernote
03:21 cornernote yeah, thought i been away for a bit and id see whats going on
03:21 Kacey luacontrollers came out
03:21 cornernote my kids love the new 3d characters
03:21 Kacey lol
03:21 Kacey i made a 4-bit decoder to 7 segment display of my own wanna see?
03:22 Kacey !up 67.162.156.91
03:22 MinetestBot 67.162.156.91:30000 is up (0.488ms)
03:24 jordan4ibanez is this how to take an item from an inventory
03:24 jordan4ibanez playerinv:get_stack("main", check_spot):take_item(1)
03:25 kaeza jordan4ibanez, local stack = playerinv:get_stack("main", check_spot); stack:take_item(1); playerinv:set_stack("main", check_spot, stack)
03:27 jordan4ibanez thanks dude
03:27 NekoGloop Keep your mouth shut and you may live.
03:28 kaeza the itemstack returned by get_stack() is a copy; modifying it does not modify the player inventory unless you overwrite the original stack
03:28 * kaeza puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
03:29 Kacey cornernote, go ahead and join that server whenever no hurry
03:29 jordan4ibanez YESH! Now slimes are fully tamable!
03:29 kaeza \o/
03:29 jordan4ibanez Now to make them sit
03:30 NekoGloop Uh. Slimes can sit?
03:30 jordan4ibanez well stay where they are, right now they follow you around and teleport to you if you get too far
03:31 Kacey lol
03:32 jordan4ibanez There's no real purpose, they're just pets basically
03:32 jordan4ibanez ...for now
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03:35 * mauvebic just noticed node replace bug always/only happens right after fast move
03:35 mauvebic prolly not news
03:35 kaeza it manifests under heavy lag
03:36 kaeza ...expect flood
03:37 mauvebic even funnier: marker is in wrong place, position that was
03:37 mauvebic saved was right
03:38 jordan4ibanez how do I check if a player is online?
03:38 kaeza jordan4ibanez, minetest.env:get_player_by_name(name)
03:38 kaeza if nil, player is offline
03:38 jordan4ibanez oh right
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03:39 jordan4ibanez Oh I the order I put it in wasn't coorect >.>
03:44 kaeza http://cheezburger.com/7159012608
03:47 AshleyWaffle hey guys lol
03:47 AshleyWaffle you have some spambots loose in #minecraft
03:47 AshleyWaffle spamming it
03:47 AshleyWaffle you're gonna lose your channel, unfortunately (minetest is cool imo)
03:48 AshleyWaffle well, if you keep it up you might
03:48 AshleyWaffle I'm not a staff so I don't know :/
03:48 kaeza wut
03:50 jordan4ibanez Slimes are ready to be released as pets!
03:50 jordan4ibanez hmmm
03:50 jordan4ibanez actually...
03:52 kaeza http://cheezburger.com/7155600640
03:53 jordan4ibanez Now if the slime has been tamed by someone, it tells the person that it's been tamed
03:56 jordan4ibanez Upated!
03:56 jordan4ibanez try out teh tamable slimez!
04:00 * kaeza does not like -ND
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04:04 felzix hey
04:04 mauvebic yay sewers done
04:07 Kacey AshleyWaffle, who is the spambot on #minecraft
04:07 AshleyWaffle bobbabuy
04:08 AshleyWaffle their message was "#MINETEST OWNS BIIIIIITCH!!!!"
04:08 AshleyWaffle and then all of the nicks highlighted XD
04:08 Kacey he isnt even on this channel
04:08 jordan4ibanez So what?
04:08 jordan4ibanez They're not associated with us? what does it matter?
04:09 jordan4ibanez Just because they included the word minetest in their spam doesn't mean our channel is going to be taken down
04:09 jordan4ibanez like if I went into ##linux and spammed "WINDOWS ROOLZ!!" ##Windows isn't going to be taken down
04:09 jordan4ibanez The point I'm trying to make is you're an idiot
04:10 jordan4ibanez that wasn't directed to you kacey
04:11 kaeza probably it's the other way around: he comes here with those messages, we go to #minecraft, make a fuss out of it.
04:11 kaeza IMHO the troll is AshleyWaffle
04:11 jordan4ibanez No fucking shit
04:11 jordan4ibanez Also cornernote: Try teh slimes :D
04:12 jordan4ibanez Kacey no!
04:13 Kacey what?
04:13 jordan4ibanez Don't talk about it to #minecraft, then they WILL think it was us
04:13 jordan4ibanez That's the troll
04:13 Kacey naw im just chillin right now
04:14 AshleyWaffle I'm just reporting the news, sorry
04:14 kaeza you're just trolling around
04:15 AshleyWaffle I kind of did it dumbly in regards to my predicting we'd lose the channel
04:15 AshleyWaffle but aside from that...
04:15 AshleyWaffle anyone there could confirm...
04:15 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/YtO-6Xg3g2M
04:15 kaeza just sit down cool off, or GTFO
04:15 jordan4ibanez ERB did a video with someone who isn't dead
04:15 jordan4ibanez WHAT
04:22 ShadowNinja kaeza: it works!
04:23 kaeza sweet
04:23 ShadowNinja your ten files are depreciated because of 50 lines of code
04:24 kaeza hm?
04:24 ShadowNinja mt_irc_admin has only a subset of the features
04:25 ShadowNinja now you just !login and !command ban badguy
04:25 ShadowNinja then !logout
04:26 kaeza nice
04:26 kaeza will you be releasing it separately or merging it in irc_admin?
04:27 kaeza do you have a server to test it?
04:27 ShadowNinja well i can add it to irc admin but I will basicaly jusr rm -r and add the init.lua and depends.txt
04:28 ShadowNinja yes, join ##minetest-0gb.us
04:28 kaeza well, my mod was experimental anyway
04:28 kaeza ok
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04:31 jordan4ibanez I think my neibor is ddosing my internet connection lol
04:36 hmmmm is dealabate LandMine or someone?
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04:37 hmmmm yeah figured as much hah
04:37 jordan4ibanez the troll in #minecraft is landmine
04:39 jordan4ibanez 198.144.116.7
04:39 jordan4ibanez had the same ip as fwuzz when he told me he was landmine
04:39 AshleyWaffle it's happening again...
04:40 hmmmm ugh he's making us look bad
04:40 jordan4ibanez I explained that
04:41 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/2319371630
04:41 kaeza OldCoder already explained to Gambit the situation with LM
04:44 AndrewPH hmmmm: I think it's generally accepted in both channels that it's unrelated to minetest at this point :)
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04:47 jordan4ibanez meow
04:47 alex256 woof'
04:48 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vaHZ3bA/2013-03-25_23.12.56.png
04:48 kaeza baa
04:48 alex256 bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay
04:48 NekoGloop I used to be a minecrafter...
04:49 NekoGloop UNTIL I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE EAR
04:49 jordan4ibanez Oh right
04:50 NekoGloop Hm?
04:50 jordan4ibanez arrow->fast->fast enough->friction->fire->minetest-> I forgot to create the fire entity which attaches to entities and players and hurts and them
04:50 NekoGloop Heh.
04:52 jordan4ibanez I don't think I'll ever use credit cards
04:52 alex256 extra and was in there...
04:52 jordan4ibanez using imaginary money and having it pile up to debt doesn't sounds easier than cash at all
04:52 alex256 piggy bank is the way to go
04:53 NekoGloop HAMMER TIME!
04:53 jordan4ibanez A sheep bank mang
04:53 alex256 or you could bury in jars in your back yard
04:53 jordan4ibanez Jarate
05:01 jordan4ibanez it's the time of night when I go numb and it's hard to think
05:01 jordan4ibanez sucks
05:03 Kacey 23:04 here...
05:03 jordan4ibanez 01:03
05:03 Kacey wow
05:03 jordan4ibanez I only got 4 hours of sleep last night I think
05:04 jordan4ibanez I can't wait to start making a hostile mob tomorrow
05:04 jordan4ibanez I wonder what it will be
05:06 jordan4ibanez probably a skeleton and a skeleton with a sword
05:10 jordan4ibanez we should have the ability to mute webchat users, it helped a lot in #minecraft with landmine
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05:13 jordan4ibanez goodnight peoples
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05:57 Kacey seems quiet
05:57 Kacey almost midnight here
05:58 OldCoder Yep
06:06 Kacey well goodnight
06:10 kaeza hello OldCoder
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06:16 VanessaE hi hi
06:16 kaeza wb V
06:17 VanessaE all tests were good, my machine now has a whopping 16GB of RAM :-)
06:19 kaeza congrats \o/
06:19 VanessaE thanks
06:20 * VanessaE is happy :D
06:24 kaeza much better?
06:27 VanessaE well I won't see any real improvement over the 12GB I had before, this is just finishing the upgrade I originally started (one of the four sticks was DOA, the replacement arrived today)
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07:30 kaeza http://voxeljs.com/#gallery
07:30 VanessaE mehg
07:30 VanessaE meh
07:30 VanessaE MT looks better
07:32 lamefun kaeza: !
07:32 lamefun Is it fast?
07:32 kaeza nope
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07:33 kaeza1 sheeeeeet.
07:33 kaeza1 modem gone crazy again :(
07:34 kaeza lamefun, don't start that shit again please
07:36 lamefun The sad and inconvenient reality about one-man project viability as opposed to sweet dear delusions? No, I won't, tired of trying.
07:37 mauvebic i think i missed part of this convo lol
07:37 mauvebic even though ive been here all night drinking coffee lol
07:37 kaeza o hai mauvebic
07:37 kaeza care to share? :)
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07:38 celeron55 haha lol
07:39 mauvebic by the time it got there it would probably be cold lol
07:39 lamefun If LuaJIT dies, you'll see for yourselves.
07:39 mauvebic and technically... couldn't you get fresher cuban coffee? its closer to you lol
07:40 mauvebic havent seen anyone talk about jit for a few days lol
07:41 lamefun mauvebic: I have been proposing to replace LuaJIT with JavaScript because JavaScript is the official programming language of planet Earth and LuaJIT is a one-man project and can die easily.
07:41 kaeza oh shit
07:41 mauvebic both suck imho
07:42 kaeza can someone ban this guy?
07:42 celeron55 lamefun: minetest will always support the regular lua interpreter
07:42 mauvebic luajit reminds me of those shitty apps they sold in the 90's that claimed to boost your dialup speed tenfold
07:42 celeron55 as long as i can decide about that
07:42 mauvebic and javascript is a cosmetic language for webpages, not at all suitable here (imo)
07:42 celeron55 and lua isn't going anywhere; jus that something isn't run by big corporations doesn't mean it won't stay
07:43 celeron55 just*
07:43 lamefun celeron55: but people will rely on speed of LuaJIT (2, sometimes 10, 30 times faster) and if it dies, that'll damage Minetest
07:43 mauvebic lua is a decent compromise between higher/lower level langs
07:43 celeron55 lamefun: okay so will you rewrite minetest to use JS?
07:43 celeron55 lamefun: if not; can you please just go to hell?
07:43 kaeza lol
07:44 mauvebic lol in other words, show your work :p
07:45 mauvebic honestly tho i think me and pa are the only ones who dont notice a difference with jit, must be amd
07:46 celeron55 the effectiveness of JIT is completely dependent on what you do in your script
07:48 celeron55 even to the extent of non-intuivity; but generally it works so that if you make the script using the same principles as you could use in C, it will work fast, because then the JIT can compile it into C
07:48 mauvebic true, with so many mods API'zed it must be a drag on resources to run a lot of big clunky ones
07:48 celeron55 if you use dynamic typing and such, it will kill the performance
07:49 mauvebic lua has no typing though? i mean its rare i even have to use tonumber() lol
07:49 mauvebic *no visible
07:49 celeron55 visible or not, it's there
07:49 kaeza uh oh
07:50 mauvebic yeah no you just dont have to tell lua interpreter the type of var your declaring
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07:52 mauvebic even the way you index arrays in lua can affect performance (read)
07:52 mauvebic table[1].x,table[2].x,table[3].x is slower than table.x[1],table.x[2],table.x[3]
07:52 kaeza there are a lot of other optimizations most people do not make, like for example making all variables not meant for use by other mods be local
07:53 mauvebic that i already do out of habit
07:53 mauvebic if its not needed in other mods i try to limit scope
07:53 mauvebic so i dont endup screwing up variables from other scripts
07:53 mauvebic which is easy to do if you use something like pos_array alot lol
07:54 mauvebic making minetest.env local is another
07:54 kaeza lua optimizes local variables by a simple array indexing
07:54 kaeza on the contrary, using globals makes lua have to lookup into an array, calling string comparison functions
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07:55 kaeza a simple upvalue[index] is way faster than for(int i=0; i < symcount; i++) { if(strcmp(symbol[i], name) ==0) ...
07:56 mauvebic loops are the first thing to look at when looking for savings
08:00 kaeza VanessaE, how about you merge 3dforniture into homedecor?
08:00 VanessaE I might consider it
08:00 VanessaE the two do go well together
08:00 kaeza It's not heavy at all, and makes sense
08:00 mauvebic or just copy the nodeboxes
08:00 mauvebic make sets
08:01 kaeza plus doesn't seem like tonyka is coming back
08:01 VanessaE fell like merging it for me?  I'm too lazy ;-)
08:01 mauvebic its not furniture if you cant shop for colors and swatches :p
08:01 VanessaE minus the 3d trees/papyrus
08:01 mauvebic and do make sure the van has the royal warrant on both sides, so the neighbours can see
08:01 VanessaE heh
08:01 mauvebic naw i really like the lamp but i thought it would be cooler if it came in a few diff varieties
08:02 mauvebic standing sink, a castrated sink (french: encastree), shower doors, etc
08:02 VanessaE shower doors?  use the glass ones from homedecor :-)
08:03 mauvebic hmm yeah and i have slidy star trek doors with the swoosh sound lol
08:04 kaeza oh! small idea: add open/close sounds to doors :D
08:04 mauvebic they work for slidy doors
08:04 mauvebic but i tried it on regular doors and it gets annoying fast
08:05 VanessaE kaeza: I might do that some time
08:05 mauvebic better idea might be to add a knocking sound on punch?
08:05 kaeza +1
08:07 mauvebic i noticed something too, again with the ships lol when making jeffries tubes: you can't crouch and crawl through a 1m high tunnel
08:07 mauvebic but you can climb a ladder through an indentical (albeit vertical) hole :p
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08:11 mauvebic new city: http://www.zimg.eu/i/4288406639 sewer/water main/telecs lines: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1537051166
08:12 VanessaE nice
08:12 VanessaE morning, preludelinux
08:12 VanessaE er..
08:12 VanessaE prestidigitator:
08:12 VanessaE (stupid tab complete.  Hello?  he just signed in, how about choosing his nick first you dumbass program :-)  )
08:13 prestidigitator Hello.  :-)
08:13 kaeza lol
08:13 kaeza hey
08:14 prestidigitator I made one nice and easy to type.  Heh.
08:14 prestidigitator So I've got a bit of an interesting puzzle.
08:15 mauvebic still missing the power lines in the sewers, for lack of actual power lines yet lol
08:16 VanessaE mauvebic: so resurrect the ones from your old mod :-)
08:16 prestidigitator I'm implementing some extra noise algorithms (Improved Perlin Noise, Simplex Noise) and I'd like to modify the NoiseParams struct to have a "type" field.  This'll be used when requesting the noise object from Lua or in the server settings file (terrain, trees, caves, etc.).
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08:17 prestidigitator Currently the struct is read from the settings file as a comma-separated list of values.  Integers of various size, floats, and vectors.
08:17 mauvebic meh, not fond of my old raillike wires lol
08:17 mauvebic textures fine, but they need to be able to connect in every direction like pipes
08:17 prestidigitator Perfectionist, eh?
08:17 VanessaE aw come on, I drew kick-ass textures for those
08:18 mauvebic though coming up with a wiring/power concept that is simple is not simple at all lol
08:18 prestidigitator I thought of adding optional fields for the NoiseParams, with the default being the current noise type.
08:19 mauvebic tho thats one area where wires could work just like pipeworks
08:19 prestidigitator One possibility would be allowing name/value pairs.  Which of course naturally leads to the thought of either JSON or Lua table syntax.
08:19 mauvebic i just cant wait to see if 6d facedir gets pulled soon
08:19 VanessaE mauvebic: it's already in mainline
08:19 kaeza mauvebic, It's in
08:19 kaeza ninja'd
08:19 VanessaE HIIYAH!
08:19 VanessaE :-)
08:20 prestidigitator LOL
08:20 kaeza hehe
08:20 mauvebic ah lol
08:20 mauvebic then all i gotta do is test binvox against the latest git
08:20 mauvebic this emerge stuff is weird than i first though, even the worldeditors are acting sortof funky
08:21 mauvebic partial fills/replaces/removes
08:21 prestidigitator I have a working prototype where I either parse the whole setting file value as a Lua table, or if it doesn't start with "{", surround it with "{}" and replace parentheses with "{}" to take care of the vectors.
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08:22 mauvebic i wish i understood this noise stuff :P unfortunately i have unfond memories of music lesssons and anything to do with octaves makes me ugh Hank Hill style lol
08:22 kaeza VanessaE, BTW, forgot to remove the modified ABM in plantlife: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2705982358.jpg
08:22 VanessaE I did that?
08:22 kaeza no lol
08:22 kaeza It's the old version  have locally
08:22 kaeza +I
08:23 kaeza I have rm -f'd it
08:23 VanessaE oh whew :-)
08:23 VanessaE time to wipe and git clone then :-)
08:23 VanessaE fwiw that's what they used to look like before
08:23 VanessaE ugly, no?
08:23 kaeza already did :)
08:23 prestidigitator Another interesting idea would be to parse the WHOLE settings file as Lua code (or a giant Lua table), but there are two issues with this: 1.) wrapping the NoiseParams values with "{}" like I am will be more difficult when dealing with a whole file, and 2.) the #-style comments would have to be replaced.
08:23 VanessaE one orientation versus 16. :-)
08:24 kaeza floooooooooooooooooooooooood
08:24 kaeza J/K
08:24 kaeza :)
08:24 mauvebic 420 brb :P
08:24 mauvebic does it still count in the AM?
08:25 prestidigitator Any thoughts?  If any of these possibilities were accepted as a pull request, what would be the most acceptable/pleasing option to you?  JSON?  Lua tables?  A whole Lua file instead of the "key=value #comment" syntax we have currently?
08:26 kaeza 3dforniture is GPL'd... ugh >.<
08:26 mauvebic lua
08:26 VanessaE ack
08:26 mauvebic easier to serialize too non?
08:26 VanessaE well, homedecor is LGPL
08:26 prestidigitator I believe so.
08:26 VanessaE so it should be fine
08:27 VanessaE well no, that's not right
08:27 VanessaE HD would have to be GPL or 3DF would have to be LGPL.  damn it.
08:27 VanessaE it'll have to be re-implemented from scratch :-/
08:27 kaeza now you see why I hate GPL
08:28 prestidigitator Yeah, GPL can create quite a mess.  :-(
08:28 mauvebic which is ironic since its one of the oss favorites
08:28 * kaeza expects marktraceur to barge in and say "NO!"
08:28 prestidigitator There's always been this interesting question of dynamic linking and whether you can really call things derivatives, but on the whole it's probably best just to play it safe.
08:29 mauvebic idc what people go with so long as theres no evangelization about it lol
08:29 prestidigitator It created a HUGE mess when MySQL went from LGPL to GPL.....
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08:30 mauvebic arch went over to mariadb a short while ago, dunno if related
08:30 prestidigitator Wouldn't be surprised.
08:30 kaeza mauvebic, GPL is like a virus; once it starts touching other software, it infects it, which in turn infects more software
08:31 kaeza that is not freedom; that is idiocy
08:31 mauvebic you wanna hear something really weird? the other day i updated arch, and after rebooting, everything worked! wasnt sure if i should have filed a report lol
08:31 prestidigitator HA!
08:31 mauvebic i dont know, in a nutshell, what does GPL do or prevent you from doing?
08:32 mauvebic isnt minetest in gpl or lgpl?
08:33 prestidigitator I went back to (K)Ubuntu from Arch because Arch was wasting too much time.  After the 5th or so update in less than that many months where I had to go in and fix some damn directory that was supposed to be a symlink (or vice versa), and "DON'T DO IT *THIS* WAY OR YOU'LL HAVE TO RECOVER!!!"  Yeah.
08:33 VanessaE Minetest is LGPL for code, CC-By-SA for textures
08:34 mauvebic yeah arch devs are not shy about breaking systems lol but i still prefer it, not so much for the arch experience, but for the vanilla-ness of all the packages
08:34 prestidigitator If you derive something from GPL (generally including linking to a GPL library) you MUST yourself release your own software using GPL.
08:34 kaeza mauvebic, GPL does not allow you to use it with closed source software (not necessarily commercial)
08:35 prestidigitator Yeah.  And pacman, and the AUR.  Those kick ASS.  If I could have pacman in Ubuntu....
08:35 VanessaE ""Compatible" means that you can take a file under the LGPL and relicense
08:35 VanessaE it under the GPL. However you cannot do the opposite."
08:35 VanessaE so I can just relicense Home Decor as GPL and then use the code in 3dforniture
08:36 mauvebic well you can always quarantine GPL code in its own submod at the worst
08:36 VanessaE no need
08:36 VanessaE kaeza: go ahead and blend it in, I'll re-license it when you're ready for a pull request
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08:37 prestidigitator And LGPL is a hell of a lot more sane.  It basically just says the LGPL library ITSELF must remain LGPL (or GPL).  Anything that just LINKS to it can be whatever license (including closed-source proprietary).
08:37 kaeza VanessaE, it goes again my principles to release anything for GPL, sorry.
08:37 prestidigitator Dual license.
08:37 kaeza s/for/under/
08:37 VanessaE :(
08:38 VanessaE maybe I'll do it myself later, then
08:38 kaeza I can however rewrite it from scratch
08:38 mauvebic even though arch breaks stuff - i never had the troubles of dependency resolution like i did with ubuntu/debian, since in arch you can pretty much install different versions of the same package without much conflict
08:38 prestidigitator You can license under both GPL and LGPL. If they use it with a GPL dependency, they must use the more restrictive license.
08:38 v2px kaeza: wow, what principles are those?
08:38 kaeza v2px, freedom?
08:39 mauvebic more precisely with copyleft licenses: degrees of freedom
08:39 kaeza the freedom to do what the fuck I want with my source (in case I want to link with other soft) and the freedom that the person that wants to link to my soft is not *required* to make it open source
08:39 prestidigitator The principle of least action?  (Sorry.  Physics joke.)
08:40 VanessaE kaeza: which is why I prefer WTFPL/CC0/PD if I can use such.
08:40 VanessaE but, GPL has its place
08:40 prestidigitator Actually if you make all the dependencies soft ones, you might be okay.
08:40 mauvebic kaeza personally i feel that being able to close source an opensource work isn't so much a freedom as taking a liberty
08:40 v2px ^^^
08:41 mauvebic personally im happy with : as free as i made it
08:42 mauvebic its like taking over a community built church to open a starbucks, i wouldn't call it freedom
08:42 prestidigitator Keep the GPL library out of the "depends.txt" and it's not really a dependent work; it's just "compatible with."
08:42 mauvebic soft-depend ;)
08:42 kaeza VanessaE, that's a bit extreme but I'm happy with that too
08:42 VanessaE prestidigitator: the proposal here isn't to depend.  it's to merge an apparently-abadoned project into an active one so it doesn't die.
08:43 mauvebic why not copy the nodeboxes themselves? you cant really license integers by themselves
08:43 VanessaE that much is true
08:43 kaeza seems fair I guess
08:43 kaeza and the code for the table lamps is not hard to write
08:43 mauvebic well even i wouldn't bitch if someone just borrowed nodeboxes, anyone with enough time could reproduce easily enough anyhow
08:44 prestidigitator I see.
08:44 kaeza (note: I haven't looked at the original code; all work will be by me)
08:44 VanessaE the tricky part would be the textures.
08:45 mauvebic new ones?
08:45 VanessaE hm, come to think of it, the license isn't stated at all in the post.
08:45 mauvebic bathroom stuff -> pipeworks textures
08:45 VanessaE oh yeah it is
08:45 VanessaE right at the top :P
08:46 VanessaE kaeza: well at any rate, first thing I'd do is ditch the multiple texures
08:46 VanessaE textures*
08:46 VanessaE there's no reason for each node to have three, anymore
08:46 VanessaE (neutral, lightened, darkened)
08:46 kaeza hm?
08:46 VanessaE (or is that still an issue?  I haven't looked)
08:46 kaeza texture transforms?
08:47 VanessaE no,
08:47 mauvebic theres a good chance ill copy the toilet/sink into pipes
08:47 VanessaE they're varied to try to give more shadow/highlight to otherwise-flat nodeboxes.
08:47 prestidigitator Is the author still around?  Maybe if he isn't willing to maintain it, he'd be open to alternate licenses.
08:47 VanessaE flatly-lighted I mean
08:47 VanessaE prestidigitator: nope, he seems to have disappeared.
08:47 VanessaE Last post: 2012-12-05 09:16:47
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08:48 kaeza prestidigitator, I e-mailed him but got no response so far
08:48 VanessaE (last visit, a day later)
08:48 prestidigitator Ah.  Bummer.
08:48 mauvebic hopefully all is well, get nothing but bad news on spain/itality in the cdn news
08:48 mauvebic *italy lol
08:49 mauvebic and cyprus lately
08:49 VanessaE maybe he's lost internet connectivity then?
08:50 kaeza VanessaE, so a single texture with varying light levels then? or just a single node?
08:50 VanessaE kaeza: eh?
08:50 mauvebic with high unemployment there, anything possible i guess
08:50 kaeza what to do about the lamp
08:50 VanessaE OH
08:50 kaeza +s
08:50 VanessaE I'd do multiple nodes
08:50 VanessaE so that I can texture them with varying apparent light intensities
08:51 kaeza ok
08:51 mauvebic floor lamps!
08:51 kaeza +1
08:51 mauvebic you'd need a central stick thingy
08:51 mauvebic and you could use that stick thingy to make a hat-rack too
08:51 VanessaE (like a tan lampshade when the light is off, sort of off-white at low, a bit brighter, and then something with a bright flare at the highest)
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08:51 ironzorg inb4 magic_lantern !
08:51 kaeza I'm making also some desks, a bathtub, microwave, a dishwasher, etc
08:52 VanessaE ironzorg: see my HDX textures for same :-)
08:52 ironzorg VanessaE: I saw you did textures, couldn't see them tho
08:52 mauvebic i made some pretty cool teleport pads in nodeboxes hehe
08:52 VanessaE https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/master/Vanessa_512HD/magic_lantern_0.jpg
08:53 kaeza some showcase of HDX: https://sites.google.com/site/lkaezadl3/minetest-city
08:53 prestidigitator Complete with stick thingies?
08:53 mauvebic stick thingies yes
08:53 VanessaE kaeza: you seriously MUST save that out as a worldedit file so I can import it into my map ;-)
08:53 mauvebic new mob: Stick Thingies! :p
08:53 ironzorg very nice VanessaE
08:53 mauvebic kaeza we have the same layout lol
08:54 prestidigitator Ooh.  Shiny gold.  Mmm.
08:54 kaeza VanessaE, it's around 1000x1000 now... want fries with that?
08:54 VanessaE sure - I'll have a double helping, thank you ;-)
08:54 VanessaE ok so 1km square is a bit muxh
08:54 VanessaE much*
08:54 mauvebic mauvebic>http://www.zimg.eu/i/4288406639 ... http://www.zimg.eu/i/1537051166
08:54 kaeza I will however save a schematic of the parh
08:55 kaeza park
08:55 mauvebic since this map (http://www.zimg.eu/i/3409579944) is new it should be easier to upload than my ancient one
08:55 prestidigitator Wow.
08:55 mauvebic and its got 15 ships for 2 residents lol
08:55 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#1QR6Vh8J
08:55 VanessaE lol
08:55 mauvebic for a safe and secure society
08:56 mauvebic :P
08:56 mauvebic my wife decided on a new map: she wanted all my ships on one side of it lol
08:57 mauvebic so long as she lets me be anal about roads/infrastructures, all is good lol
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08:57 kaeza VanessaE, if I had the bandwidth, I'd even upload the entire map. there are 3 or 4 such cities in there, plus a teleport network, and some cool terrain formations
08:58 kaeza it's currently around 200MB
08:58 mauvebic not bad
08:58 mauvebic old map > 700mb
08:58 VanessaE nice
08:58 prestidigitator Too bad it's Star Wars that has those little mousy robot things for cleaning.
08:58 mauvebic we finally had to ditch it tho, ive made too many mod changes lately lol
08:59 kaeza hehe.. the map is also bugged as hell.. used MOBF and there are a ton of unknown entities
08:59 mauvebic me too lol
09:00 mauvebic and several dozen types of unknown nodes for nodes that have mostly migrated to other mods lol
09:00 prestidigitator Bah!  Yeah.  Is it working again yet?
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09:01 mauvebic the only thing i had left in 4seasons was palm/slim trees and i tossed those when i put moretrees on insta-spawn :p
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09:01 VanessaE morning, Calinou
09:02 kaeza are you the author of the 4seasons mod?
09:02 mauvebic hell yeah lol
09:02 kaeza cool... that is an amazing thing.
09:03 kaeza but the ABMs tend to lag a bit
09:03 prestidigitator It would be nice if unknown items still gave you a tooltip with their names, so you could better judge how important they were, what to replace them with, etc.
09:03 mauvebic meh, all it did technically was change 2/3's of default nodes 8)
09:03 kaeza I wonder if LuaJit will help in this case
09:03 VanessaE kaeza: yes
09:03 mauvebic tho ultimately the two seasons most people like is summer (default) and winter (as biomes now)
09:03 VanessaE anything that's Lua will be helped at least a little, especially if the ABm has a lot of heavy activity in it
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09:04 mauvebic it didn't really help binvox tho binvox reads files byte by byte so i doubt its much of a benchmark in the first place lol
09:04 kaeza I guess 4seasons is just a simple set_node() call in the ABM is it not?
09:04 mauvebic yeah it slowly changed the defaults depending on what season it was (a timer set on 2000+ seconds to change seasons)
09:04 mauvebic and it saved the current seasons to a worldfile
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09:05 mauvebic tho if you have snow biome mod and more trees (the leaves) you get mostly the same textures/nodes (except for grass in 4 shades)
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09:06 kaeza whoa whoa
09:06 mauvebic freenode lol
09:06 VanessaE zzzz
09:06 VanessaE getting tired..
09:07 * kaeza pust a food:coffee in VanessaE's head
09:07 kaeza puts*
09:07 VanessaE error while trying to place CONTENT_IGNORE
09:07 mauvebic and *on perhaps, unless your hannibal lecter
09:08 mauvebic *youre
09:08 kaeza lol
09:08 kaeza *you're
09:08 mauvebic data doesnt uses contractions
09:08 mauvebic :p
09:08 kaeza hehe
09:09 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#1QR6Vh8J
09:09 VanessaE hahah
09:09 mauvebic if big cars are a metaphor for the phallus, i dont wanna know what the little car's about lol
09:10 prestidigitator The dog's phallus.
09:12 kaeza VanessaE, go have some fun http://ifunny.mobi/#Of2X8pjk
09:12 mauvebic odd
09:12 prestidigitator Which means obviously I am tired too.  And have to get up soon enough.  'Night folks.
09:12 VanessaE aw damn :-)
09:13 mauvebic one hour to go herelol
09:13 VanessaE I think I'll follow prestidigitator's lead and head off to bed.
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09:14 kaeza anyway, I'm gonna rewrite 3df...
09:14 mauvebic and i must design a park bench
09:14 kaeza so I'll make a pull rq later ok?
09:14 VanessaE kaeza: regarding 3dforniture, I think the best thing is to split into three packages:  the actual furniture and bathroom stuff, the 3d trees/papyrus, and the torches/chains/binding bars
09:14 kaeza VanessaE, I thought about that too. not everyone likes the 3d trees for example
09:15 VanessaE and include only the furniture/bathroom kit in homedecor, leave the other stuff as two separate mods
09:15 VanessaE (that way I can still have them on my server, f.ex)
09:15 VanessaE but yeah, PR it later and I'll merge it
09:16 VanessaE off to bed with me now :-)
09:16 VanessaE night all
09:16 kaeza night V
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10:53 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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12:01 Exio hey PilzAdam!
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12:38 jojoa1997|Tablet before anyone is like !OH NO HE IS USING WINDOWS! whoever can make batch files i need some help please pm me
12:40 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone know batch
12:40 PilzAdam this is the wrong channel to askt
12:40 PilzAdam -t
12:40 jojoa1997|Tablet ok then what channel
12:41 PilzAdam use /list to find the right channel
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12:55 Exio PilzAdam: alis
12:55 Exio his connection will die  with /list
12:55 Exio /msg alis help list
12:55 Exio it is part of the services
12:56 jojoa1997|Tablet i didnt lose connection
12:56 jojoa1997|Tablet the list was s long and kept going i just closed connection to stop i will figure out batch n my own
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12:58 Exio yes, exactly
13:00 kaeza1 !OH NO HE IS USING WINDOWS!
13:00 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza i do use linux
13:00 jojoa1997|Tablet use it on tablet
13:04 v2px 0.4.5 is still not in the table ubuntu ppa
13:04 v2px :<
13:04 v2px *stable
13:07 PilzAdam AFAIK the launchpad site is broken
13:14 v2px even if the page is broken, it's not in the repository http://ppa.launchpad.net/minetestdevs/stable/ubuntu/pool/main/m/minetestc55/
13:22 bas080 This is seriously not funny anymore... I have seen the effects of WW2. I do not see any reason to apply this to the mod dualport. I have had similar remarks on the jungletree mod. Could the moderators please cleanup this thread and warn people in the future to not have similar discussions. This is not what minetest is about! < http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=78760#p78760
13:28 bas080 Nazi is mentioned 3 times. The mod does not come near implying such a thing. It is the obsession of these users that imply this
13:29 v2px I agree but swastikas are tainted now, I too think you shouldn't use them
13:30 bas080 If  moderators see reason for me to change my texture because it does imply such a thing then i will.
13:31 v2px please also have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Germany
13:31 v2px installing your mod would be illegal in germany
13:32 bas080 v2Px, you are trying to get a reaction out of me.
13:32 v2px no, I>'m not, I'm stating the facts
13:33 bas080 good for you
13:33 v2px good for me? woah, what's wrong with you?
13:33 v2px seriously..
13:33 bas080 what is wrong with you?
13:33 bas080 for real!
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13:38 Minetester calm down, guys
13:39 Minetester using the mod in germany is not forbidden, even if it would be a swastika
13:40 Minetester §86 StGb just says, that it is forbidden to publish or show in public symbols of nazis
13:41 sfan5 uhh, what?
13:41 sfan5 !g  Â§86 StGb
13:41 MinetestBot sfan5: http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/86.html
13:42 sfan5 hm
13:43 Minetester "im Inland verbreitet oder zur Verbreitung im Inland oder Ausland herstellt, vorrätig hält, einführt oder ausführt oder in Datenspeichern öffentlich zugänglich macht, "
13:44 Minetester verbreiten ist hier das schlüsselwort
13:44 Minetester bzw öffentlich zugänglich machen
13:45 v2px http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechtsextreme_Symbole_und_Zeichen
13:45 v2px scrollen zu hakenkreuz
13:45 PilzAdam bas080, the servers of the Minetest forums are located in germany, so the content of it should follow the german law
13:45 v2px Hakenkreuz: Zeichen der NSDAP, negativ Zeichen der Aktionsfront Nationaler Sozialisten/Nationaler Aktivisten (ANS/NA); verboten und strafbar in allen denkbaren Varianten, also auch seitenverkehrt, negativ etc., sogar (eine Zeit lang) in der rot durchgestrichenen Version, ein beliebter Jackenaufnäher linksorientierter Punks. Dies änderte sich jedoch mit einer Entscheidung des Bundesgerichtshofs 1973.[12]
13:45 PilzAdam bas080, see http://forum.minetest.net/misc.php?action=rules
13:46 v2px go We
13:46 v2px oops
13:49 Minetester y2px, der artikel verweist auch nur auf §86
13:49 Minetester PilzAdam, das ändert die situation natürlich, da so der strafbestand des öffentlich zugänglich machens erfüllt ist
13:51 Minetester conclusion: the texture has to be changed as long it is published on this forum
13:51 sfan5 ^ bas080
13:51 PilzAdam does this texture even have a hakenkreuz?
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13:52 sfan5 PilzAdam: some people (including me) can see one
13:53 Minetester the posts show: some ppl see a hakenkreuz in it
13:53 Minetester so there is no doubt it has to be changed
13:54 bas080 sfan5, please draw where you see the cross and share with me
13:55 bas080 That way i can avoid future issues.
13:55 PilzAdam "(4) Ist die Schuld gering, so kann das Gericht von einer Bestrafung nach dieser Vorschrift absehen."
13:55 PilzAdam "(2) Propagandamittel im Sinne des Absatzes 1 sind nur solche Schriften (§ 11 Abs. 3), deren Inhalt gegen die freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung oder den Gedanken der Völkerverständigung gerichtet ist."
13:56 PilzAdam I think (2) does not have effect here, and even then I think (4) would suit this case
13:56 v2px hat bei anderen spielen auch nix geholfen
13:57 PilzAdam I dont think how teleporters are against the democracy
13:57 Minetester na gegenwärtiger rechtssprechung ist aber genau das hakenkreuz und ähnliche abbildungen gegen die freiheitliche demokratische grundordnung gerichtet
13:57 v2px so ist es
13:57 PilzAdam aber in dieser Textur ist es fraglich ob das überhaupt ein Hakenkreuz ist
13:57 Minetester und gerade bei uns wird so etwas auch strenger geahndet als in der restlichen welt
13:58 bas080 PilzAdam, you are assuming there is blame. This is the blackhole effect. How can you see what isn't visible? Imagination maybe?!
13:58 v2px ich seh ziemlich deutlich eins
13:58 v2px natuerlich soll es keins darstellen
13:58 bas080 A checkers board has crosses!
13:58 sfan5 BackupCoder: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/pic.png
13:58 Minetester also, grundsätzlich ist es nicht dramatisch, aber das problem ist hier, dass das forum auf deutschen servern steht
13:59 Minetester *liegt
13:59 sfan5 ja
13:59 PilzAdam seit wann ist das hackenkreuz bunt?
13:59 Jeija Ich seh auch ganz klar eines, ich würde es einfach sicherheitshalber ändern
13:59 sfan5 ^ meine meinung ebenso
13:59 sfan5 *ebenso meine meinung
13:59 Minetester ich gebe dir im prinzip recht, PilzAdam, aber wir sollten auf nummer sicher gehen
13:59 PilzAdam Ich würde das auch lieber entfernen
13:59 sfan5 scheiß tab
13:59 sfan5 bas080: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/pic.png
14:00 v2px uebrigens gilt eher http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/86a.html
14:00 v2px imho
14:00 PilzAdam hab das auch bas080 im PM geraten
14:00 sfan5 v2px: gilt das auch für ausländer die sich nicht in deutschland befinden?
14:00 v2px und das trifft somit auch user in .de (einfuehrung)
14:00 PilzAdam sfan5, ja klar, die server stehn ja hier
14:00 v2px und wie war das noch glecih mit die mt server stehen in .de?
14:01 sfan5 die stehen irgendwo im rechenzentrum bei hetzner iirc
14:02 PilzAdam hm, "Den in Satz 1 genannten Kennzeichen stehen solche gleich, die ihnen zum Verwechseln ähnlich sind."
14:02 sfan5 deswegen geht auch bunt
14:02 PilzAdam das ist die Hauptfrage hier
14:02 v2px wikipedia zitat nochmal: [...] verboten und strafbar in allen denkbaren Varianten, also auch seitenverkehrt, negativ etc. [...]
14:02 v2px also auch bunt
14:03 PilzAdam und da man sieht, dass viele im Forum es als Hakenkreuz interpretieren, scheint das zuzutreffen
14:03 Minetester jein, da es nicht eine "geschlossene form" hat
14:03 Minetester wie gesagt, die schlüsselwörter hier sind "verbreiten" und "öffentlich zugänglich machen"
14:03 Minetester wenn die server nicht in de wären alles kein problem
14:04 v2px seh ich nciht so, in abstatz 2 steht, dass auch das fuer die verwendung vorraetig halten verboten ist
14:05 v2px wobei.. wie verwendet man jetzt gleich nochmal ein hakenkreuz? *g*
14:05 v2px werden die geworfen?
14:05 v2px scnr..
14:05 sfan5 wartet mal.. ist nicht eigentlich der schuld der die/den server hostet wo das bild drauf liegt?
14:05 Minetester lol
14:06 bas080 afk
14:06 PilzAdam sfan5, siehe forum rules
14:06 Minetester nein, da das bild hier gepostet wurde
14:06 Jeija Das hab ich mir auch schon überlegt, aber verbreiten tut forum.minetest.net es ja trotzdem
14:06 PilzAdam "n any event you are responsible for your posts, and the other users are responsible for their posts, not the operators of this forum."
14:06 Jeija Und ein impressum fehlt, wo was wegen externen sachen drinsteht
14:06 PilzAdam *In
14:06 v2px und vorraetig halten zur verwendung [sic] jeder downloader
14:06 sfan5 das bild ist allerdings auch _öffenlich_ auf github.com zugänglich
14:07 sfan5 *öffentlich
14:07 Minetester du bist dran, egal ob das bild in honolulu liegt oder bei dir auf dem server
14:07 PilzAdam hat github auch so einen "disclaimer"?
14:07 Minetester entscheident ist, dass man es über deine seite aufrufen kann
14:07 Minetester und da hilft auch der disclaimer nicht
14:07 sfan5 PilzAdam: bestimmt
14:08 Minetester *entscheidend
14:08 v2px fuer github gelten ganz andere gesetze
14:09 RealBadAngel germans takin over minetest? :)
14:09 PilzAdam ist das topic gelöscht worden?
14:09 ShadowNinja Jeija: Can you please add table.insert etc to luacontrollers?
14:09 v2px ich find auch nicht, das wir das auf grundlage der rechtslage entscheiden sollten, sondern auf grundlage dessen, ob wir etwas haben wollen, was daran erinnert. im offiziellen forum. (und ich sag jetzt einfach mal wir, obwohl ich nur her mitlese)
14:09 sfan5 RealBadAngel: *germans talking about laws
14:09 RealBadAngel i kann verstehen
14:10 RealBadAngel *ich
14:10 Minetester ich würde das riskio nicht auf rechtsgrundlage zu entscheiden nicht eingehen wollen
14:10 RealBadAngel ich habt gewohnen in Berlin fuenf jahren
14:11 Minetester aber wenn "die chefs" hier das machen wollen
14:11 PilzAdam Minetester, wir haben ja gesehen, dass es auf jeden fall strittig ist
14:11 RealBadAngel but i do prefer english anyway
14:11 PilzAdam deßhalb ist es das beste die textur einfach zu entfernen/ändern
14:12 Minetester ganz meine meinung
14:12 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, about background Blockmen proposed
14:12 RealBadAngel theres out there better one made by cisoun
14:12 Minetester nur traurig dass man noch heute sich mit dem mist befassen muss, im jahr 2013
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14:13 jojoa1997|Tablet who uses windows
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14:13 PilzAdam es wär kein problem wenn die Leute im forum damit nicht angefangen hätten
14:13 PilzAdam einfach alle wegen "trolling" bannen
14:13 RealBadAngel jojoa1997|Tablet, Bill Gates supporters
14:13 Minetester gute idee :)
14:13 PilzAdam (auch VanessaE :-))
14:13 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel my mom bought it
14:14 Kraxie21|Tindle RBA, whats with you and nekogloop?
14:14 Minetester ok, dann nur den anfänger
14:14 MinetestBot GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add table.* to luacontroller sandbox 36bcce57b0 2013-03-26T07:12:56-07:00 http://git.io/9xGwCg
14:14 ShadowNinja thanks
14:14 RealBadAngel Kraxie21|Tindle, he dont like me thats all
14:14 Kraxie21|Tindle !help
14:14 * sfan5 fängt schon mal an ein script zu schreiben was alle bannt die das wort je benutzt haben ;)
14:15 sfan5 Kraxie21|Tindle: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules
14:15 Kraxie21|Tindle Yeah, he really rails on you.
14:15 Minetester sfan5, +1
14:15 Traxie21|Kindle Nice, but I cant open links
14:16 sfan5 thats bad
14:16 Traxie21|Kindle </kindle>
14:16 Traxie21|Kindle I als crash when I leave this page
14:16 Traxie21|Kindle als*
14:16 Traxie21|Kindle omg
14:16 Traxie21|Kindle also*
14:17 Traxie21|Kindle Has anyone made a windows build that has Jeija's particles ?
14:17 PilzAdam sure
14:17 PilzAdam its in my latest build
14:17 Traxie21|Kindle Tell ibanez
14:18 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/wVwEoaF.jpg
14:18 sfan5 it should also be my latest build
14:18 Traxie21|Kindle He wont add particles to his slimes until then
14:19 RealBadAngel imho this is way better for background
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14:20 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, is this mergeable with the moving clouds?
14:20 RealBadAngel im not sure, you shall ask cisoun
14:20 Traxie21|Kindle Has anyone tried isolating the HUD API from metology?
14:20 RealBadAngel it is his artwork. title has to go a bit up anyways
14:21 PilzAdam Traxie21|Kindle, AFAIK hmmmm wants to do it differently
14:21 Traxie21|Kindle oi
14:21 Traxie21|Kindle well, at least get him to do it.
14:22 hmmmm well i'm not completely opposed to metology hud
14:22 Traxie21|Kindle I cant weight much longer
14:22 bas080 Back, Last thing i am saying about this. I can imagine that some people see a cross in texture. However i do not see a reason for these people to post these ideas on the forum. If they are truly offended they should flag this by notifying the place of this content or the moderators.
14:22 hmmmm i need to seriously consider it
14:22 Traxie21|Kindle It would be nie if it was more formspec like
14:23 hmmmm i think it's more like, i don't want to merge it just *like that*, i'd want to make changes
14:23 RealBadAngel formspec needs rebuilding at some point
14:23 Traxie21|Kindle Ikr
14:23 Traxie21|Kindle its bulky and ugly
14:24 Traxie21|Kindle we need an on-screen drawing standard
14:24 RealBadAngel we need there some modularity and easiness adding elements
14:24 kaeza RealBadAngel, OO would suit well for formspecs IMHO
14:24 Traxie21|Kindle |
14:25 hmmmm yeah but we also don't want servers to shit up the client's screen at the same time
14:25 Traxie21|Kindle -+-
14:25 RealBadAngel rebuliding STRING each time is just nonsense
14:25 kaeza s/formspec/formspec items/
14:25 hmmmm that was the original concern with the bar api
14:25 Traxie21|Kindle Heck, why not a minetest.register_formspec
14:25 hmmmm "arbitrary drawing of things on the client's screen"
14:25 Minetester bas080, +1. you are absolutely right
14:26 Traxie21|Kindle also, has anyone seen my topic on compiling?
14:27 Traxie21|Kindle I know RAPHAEL was working on something like it.
14:27 RealBadAngel are you trying to compile mt for kindle? :0
14:27 Traxie21|Kindle no
14:27 jojoa1997|Tablet Metrology has it
14:27 Traxie21|Kindle for an internetless linux box
14:27 Traxie21|Kindle so I can code at home
14:27 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4767
14:28 RealBadAngel hmmmm, sheets are now perfect. i do love them
14:28 Traxie21|Kindle brb
14:28 hmmmm ya, i know~
14:28 Traxie21|Kindle btw
14:28 Traxie21|Kindle I'm kindling and driving to some degree.
14:29 Traxie21|Kindle fear me
14:29 hmmmm i'm not sure about claylike ore anymore, might dump it.  the claylike ore in lua takes mostly 0ms, sometimes 7, sometimes 15
14:29 hmmmm it's not really a problem at all
14:29 hmmmm and the way clay is implemented in lua is pretty dumb honestly
14:30 RealBadAngel not much really
14:31 RealBadAngel but claylike should be able also to spawn obsidian around lava lakes
14:31 Traxie21|Kindle Traxie21|Laptop in a sec
14:31 RealBadAngel and one more thing
14:32 RealBadAngel i can see gold is in
14:32 NakedFury with claylike can you tell it to spawn with conditions right?
14:32 RealBadAngel it is a step merging moreores?
14:32 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, gold isnt upstream yet
14:32 hmmmm yeah
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14:33 RealBadAngel i downloaded the change last night?
14:33 Traxie21|Laptop Meow
14:33 hmmmm i'd need to add some more parameters so people can tell OreClaylike exactly what they want to do
14:33 hmmmm and it'd turn out to not be as clean as i'd like
14:34 hmmmm and it's not really necessary to begin with
14:35 hmmmm also guys, let's make a push to get the moreores addition finished
14:35 Traxie21|Laptop could someone hurry up and fix chat?
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14:35 Traxie21|Laptop It should be only commenting out a line or two
14:36 Traxie21|Laptop Finally
14:36 Traxie21|Laptop My kindle caught up.
14:36 RealBadAngel hmmm, agree to push moreores
14:36 RealBadAngel mt needs damn content
14:36 Traxie21|Laptop MT needs damn API
14:36 * Traxie21|Laptop ducks
14:36 RealBadAngel hell it needs lotsa things
14:37 RealBadAngel its hungry beast ;)
14:37 v2px how are the ubuntu ppa pakages built? I'm gonna go and build my own if the new release isn't added
14:38 NakedFury hmmm and RealBadAngel are you talking about merging moreores to the default game?
14:39 PilzAdam NakedFury, I am working on adding some ores from moreores to the default game
14:39 RealBadAngel yes
14:39 PilzAdam but not merge as it is currently
14:39 NakedFury thats nice
14:39 RealBadAngel but ores just
14:39 NakedFury I always felt that minetest didnt have more stuff because a mod came faster and scooped it up
14:39 Traxie21|Laptop http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5277
14:41 RealBadAngel NakedFury, mods make standards here
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14:41 Traxie21|Laptop Also, how do you gget your server in the public server list? server_announce dosnt seem to work for me
14:41 RealBadAngel if a mod is a must have why not merge it and make it faster?
14:42 hmmmm might not be able to make it faster
14:42 RealBadAngel you already did
14:42 hmmmm that was something that had to be done though
14:42 hmmmm i don't want to do that for every mod to be added
14:43 NakedFury I meant like before celeron got to add gold ore say another resource he was gonna add some modder came and made a mod with that ore, so celeron then if he added it would have seem as if he was copying the mod or something
14:43 RealBadAngel but this particular one you have to agree
14:43 RealBadAngel this one made standards
14:44 RealBadAngel notice i dont want to add my own ores, from technic
14:44 NakedFury likes minecarts, will they ever go to default game>
14:45 Traxie21|Laptop Announce to master server list: how?
14:46 RealBadAngel hmmmm, btw would you like to pick another challenge? :)
14:47 hmmmm what?
14:47 RealBadAngel asking because with stratuses you did well
14:47 RealBadAngel Volcanoes
14:47 hmmmm not really, i want to focus on mapgen v7 and block sending now
14:48 RealBadAngel cmon, just one volcanoe :)
14:48 Traxie21|Laptop Whats in V7?
14:48 hmmmm lots of cool stuff, including user-definable biomes
14:48 Traxie21|Laptop DO IT
14:48 RealBadAngel make volcanoes and use it in v7
14:51 Traxie21|Laptop Oi
14:51 Traxie21|Laptop Can anyone answer my question?
14:51 RealBadAngel Biomes
14:51 Traxie21|Laptop no
14:51 Traxie21|Laptop Before that:
14:51 Traxie21|Laptop Announce to master server list: how?
14:51 RealBadAngel that idk
14:52 Traxie21|Laptop I know its server_announce = 1, but it dosnt seem to work
14:52 PilzAdam Traxie21|Laptop, just set server_announce=1 in minetest.conf
14:52 Traxie21|Laptop I did...
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14:54 Kacey hi all
14:54 Traxie21|Laptop Hai
14:57 kaeza sup
14:58 v2px celeron55_: could you build a ppa package for 0.4.5? :/
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14:59 Traxie21|Laptop Does anyone have experience compiling minetest here?
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15:01 khonkhortisan I've compiled minetest, but you wouldn't want it
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15:03 celeron55_ v2px: launchpad is still broken for minetest stable builds
15:03 celeron55_ v2px: if you want this issue to be resolved, go contact launchpad support with this link https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+recipe/minetest-c55-stable
15:04 celeron55_ v2px: alternatively just use the daily build; it works fine
15:04 celeron55_ (but is kind of suboptimal)
15:04 v2px yep, I'll do that! that's at least an answer, thanks.
15:05 v2px Is tis bug reported on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad?
15:09 celeron55_ it's reported nowhere
15:11 Traxie21|Laptop AWESOME
15:11 Traxie21|Laptop My server is running faster than most other server's I've seen :D
15:12 Traxie21|Laptop </freehost>
15:12 v2px celeron55_: why not?
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15:19 Kacey i used to compile but then switched to windows
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15:33 Kacey huh
15:37 kaeza huh
15:37 khonkhortisan huh
15:40 Kacey i am figuring out the new digilines stuff
15:53 celeron55_ v2px: because you haven't done it yet
15:54 celeron55_ v2px: nobody really is responsible for it and everyone is lazy
15:54 v2px oh so I'm the only one that wants to install recent minetest versions on ubuntu without compiling (eg. for a server)?
15:55 celeron55_ i guess somebody; but what i said stays valid :P
15:56 v2px you're right
15:56 celeron55_ in voluntary things like this, generally things happen if two requirements are met: 1) there are people who need something, 2) some of those people bother doing something to get it
15:57 v2px The problem with reporting a bug in lauchpad is that I don't understand launchpad
15:57 Traxie21|Laptop Celeron
15:58 Traxie21|Laptop How would one compile minetest for linux with all libraries included with the excecutable?
15:58 celeron55_ Traxie21|Laptop: not too simply i guess; maybe google some cmake stuff
15:59 Traxie21|Laptop lol
15:59 Traxie21|Laptop ok....
15:59 v2px celeron55_: where is this broken receipe link from?
15:59 celeron55_ v2px: there isn't really anything else to report than that link + "this link and stuff related to it, related to the minetest project is broken; fix it"
16:01 celeron55_ v2px: http://www.minetest.net/download.php -> https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds/+packages -> https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs -> https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/minetest-c55/upstream -> https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/minetest-c55/upstream/+recipes -> that one, or the working daly one
16:01 celeron55_ that is the place where one would edit the recipe to build the new version
16:01 v2px ic
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16:06 v2px celeron55_: and you can't just add a new recipe?
16:07 celeron55_ that would be nonsense
16:07 celeron55_ if you won't contact them, then i will
16:08 celeron55_ they'll generally respond within reasonable time; that is why i find odd that they haven't fixed that thing already, as the page says they will be investigating it
16:08 celeron55_ it's probably why nobody has told them it's broken
16:09 celeron55_ (one could mention that in the bug report too - it's probably not wise to say so in an error page because then nobody will report it, if they aren't going to automatically go fix it)
16:09 v2px I really don't know anything about launchpad, which makes me unconfortable reporting a bug that I can't reproduce (as I don't even know how recipes work)
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16:12 celeron55_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1160461
16:13 v2px thanks ;)
16:22 hmmmm ( ゚∀゚)アハハ八八ノヽノヽノヽノ \ / \/ \
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16:28 Traxie21|Laptop Ok
16:28 Traxie21|Laptop Server_announce=1 is not doing anything
16:28 Traxie21|Laptop How does one fix that?
16:29 PilzAdam have you compiled Minetest with curl and json?
16:29 hmmmm probably by making Server lower case
16:29 Traxie21|Laptop I think so pilz
16:29 PilzAdam *Adan
16:29 Traxie21|Laptop and yes, it is lowercase
16:29 Traxie21|Laptop Sorry
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16:29 PilzAdam **Adam
16:29 Traxie21|Laptop not entirely sure on curl
16:29 Traxie21|Laptop is there a way to test?
16:30 PilzAdam yes, if you dont have curl then you cant access the public server list
16:30 PilzAdam *read
16:30 Traxie21|Laptop That helped a ton...
16:30 Traxie21|Laptop I'm running the server on linux, and the client on windows..
16:30 Traxie21|Laptop VPS for the server
16:30 Traxie21|Laptop so I don't know if it can see it or not
16:31 PilzAdam is it a run_in_place version on the server?
16:31 Traxie21|Laptop Yep
16:31 Traxie21|Laptop Calinou's build script does not seem to include curl
16:31 PilzAdam run: cmake . -LH | grep curl
16:31 PilzAdam *CURL
16:31 Traxie21|Laptop wait, should I backup the mods and such first?
16:31 PilzAdam no
16:32 Traxie21|Laptop CURL_INCLUDE_DIR:PATH=CURL_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND CURL_LIBRARY:FILEPATH=CURL_LIBRARY-NOTFOUND ENABLE_CURL:BOOL=ON
16:32 PilzAdam okay, curl is not installed
16:32 Traxie21|Laptop ok
16:32 Traxie21|Laptop how would one install it?
16:33 Traxie21|Laptop sudo apt-get install curl-dev?
16:33 PilzAdam libcurl4-gnutls-dev
16:33 PilzAdam does the server run ubuntu?
16:33 Traxie21|Laptop Yep
16:34 Traxie21|Laptop 12.04
16:34 PilzAdam then it should work
16:34 Traxie21|Laptop k
16:34 Traxie21|Laptop Then I just clean out the directory, back up mods and games, and conf files, and recompile?
16:34 celeron55_ hmm, curl hasn't been added to the example apt-get line in README.txt
16:34 celeron55_ is there something else missing from it too?
16:34 PilzAdam ttf?
16:34 celeron55_ what's it called
16:35 Traxie21|Laptop Also, is there a way to compile the server without compiling the entire client too?
16:35 PilzAdam cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=1
16:35 PilzAdam *0
16:35 Traxie21|Laptop k
16:35 celeron55_ you can also build it without the actual irrlicht library, only it's headers
16:36 PilzAdam celeron55_, libfreetype6-dev
16:36 Traxie21|Laptop This takes so long, the server dosnt lag, but FTP does XD
16:36 ShadowNinja Traxie21|Laptop: did you figure out the publick thing yet?
16:36 celeron55_ (that requires rm CMakeCache.txt, then cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR=/where/you/downloaded/bare/irrlicht-1.8.x
16:37 Traxie21|Laptop Hopefully
16:37 Traxie21|Laptop Adam, I'm installing Minitest, Slimes, and SEx on my server :D
16:37 hmmmm from what i've heard, irrlicht 1.8 is slower than 1.7
16:37 Traxie21|Laptop I saw the commits you made, its awesome
16:38 hmmmm so, no idea why people would want to upgrade
16:38 hmmmm minetest has enough framerate problems already
16:41 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: README.txt: Add some build stuff 880d9e53c3 2013-03-26T09:40:32-07:00 http://git.io/BNWl1A
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16:49 rubenwardy hi all
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16:53 kaeza hai ruben
16:53 Traxie21|Laptop hai
16:57 rubenwardy any news?
16:57 * Kacey is still figuring out the new digilines stuff
16:57 rubenwardy ./Jordach -joke random
16:57 Jordach I went to my Science teachers funeral, and they asked me to say a few words, so I did.
16:58 Jordach Method: We placed the coffin into a crematorium.
16:58 Jordach Observation: The coffin burned with a bright orange flame.
16:58 Jordach Conclusion: No more homework.
16:59 Kacey lol
16:59 Traxie21|Laptop O_o
16:59 * Calinou ordered some things from amazon to somehow build a new PC
16:59 * Calinou 's true spirit 140 is already on the roads :p
17:00 Traxie21|Laptop No Supplies, Drawings, Research, or Objective
17:00 Calinou inb4 ubuntu-trolls
17:00 Traxie21|Laptop Jordach's Science teacher dosn't do a lot
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17:00 Jordach Traxie21|Laptop, heh
17:01 Traxie21|Laptop I did a homeschool co-op for Biology, and got an average score of 102%, except on labs, where I kinda sucked.  :3
17:01 Calinou 102%?
17:01 Traxie21|Laptop Yep
17:01 Calinou hax
17:01 Traxie21|Laptop Got a ton of Extra Credit
17:02 Traxie21|Laptop I memorize easily by reading
17:02 * Jordach has a even better hax
17:02 Jordach if a test is coming up, i remove the first panel of the LCD screen and turn it into a pair of sunglasses
17:02 Traxie21|Laptop ./Use hack: Jordach
17:02 Jordach Pros: People without the glasses cant see the screen
17:02 rubenwardy brb
17:03 Traxie21|Laptop Cons: People with glasses can't see anything else
17:03 Jordach Cons: Difficult to sneak a LCD panel out and modify
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17:03 Traxie21|Laptop I just dont cheat on tests
17:03 Traxie21|Laptop I actually hardly studied for them
17:04 Jordach Traxie21|Laptop, this is a hack anyone can do
17:04 Jordach trust me, no more will people be spying on what you do
17:04 Traxie21|Laptop If I didn't know an answer, I used logic to determine the most likely answer (Dosnt work for writing)
17:04 * Calinou kinda sucks at school, but is good in english :p
17:04 * Jordach does this for porn
17:04 Traxie21|Laptop .-.
17:04 Traxie21|Laptop Alrighty, my server is almost up again
17:04 Jordach screen appears black, actually it isnt
17:05 Calinou ^ upside of TN screens
17:05 Calinou down with IPS!
17:05 Jordach Calinou that's why i like my visor (screen has lost the front panel, but the visor shows all iron man style!)
17:06 * Kacey is getting hungry
17:06 * Calinou shut down their computer this morning while compiling something
17:06 Calinou for some reason I feel like I've lost some data or something :<
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17:11 rubenwardy hi all again
17:11 Calinou hi
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17:12 * Jordach waits for a friend on XboxLive
17:12 jordan4ibanez Jeija, could you try to make another commit for minetest of the hotbar texture
17:14 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-03-26#i_2957529
17:14 Jordach ProTip: Here's what PilzAdam looks like: https://avatar-ssl.xboxlive.com/avatar/PilzAdam/avatar-body.png
17:14 rubenwardy this is me: https://avatar-ssl.xboxlive.com/avatar/rubenwardy/avatar-body.png
17:15 jordan4ibanez pilzadam I can't click that
17:15 jordan4ibanez not on pc
17:15 jordan4ibanez what is it for?
17:15 PilzAdam Jordach, thats me: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/PilzAdam/stats/265755239/xbox/
17:15 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, wait a sec.
17:16 Calinou Jordach: xbox--
17:16 jordan4ibanez Just realised I wrote minetest of the hotbar texture, I meant "to texture the hotbar for minetest instead of blockplanet"
17:16 Jordach Calinou, youre missing out on Halo 4
17:17 Jordach (apparently you can get a keyboard and mouse converters to work with the xbox)
17:17 Calinou halo 4? red eclipse is butter
17:17 jordan4ibanez yep, and you can use internet explorer like a pc
17:17 Calinou you can see your legs now
17:18 Jordach Calinou, they rotate without any animation
17:18 Jordach they just turn on a point without moving
17:18 jordan4ibanez they did that in halo 3
17:18 Calinou deal with it
17:18 Jordach Calinou, anyways, theyre going to port RE to the Xbox360 at some point (see holodeck prototype)
17:18 Calinou no serious player stops movign anyway :P
17:19 Calinou no, it's windows, not an xbox
17:19 Calinou xbox HW wouldn't be powerful enough
17:19 Calinou 7 year old hardware... and they want to run RE with good settings at 60+FPS
17:19 * Jordach slaps Calinou with a samsung exynos octacore CPU
17:19 Jordach Calinou, actually most of the hardware gets updated
17:20 jordan4ibanez I can't wait for arma 3, it's going to be on ps4, xbox 720, wiiu, and the steambox
17:20 Calinou ARM octacore CPU
17:20 Jordach 2006 boxes are slower compared to the falcon
17:20 Calinou if you're looking at amount of cores and frequency, you're wrong
17:20 Calinou why doesn't an FX-8350 beat an i7-3770K? the former has 8 cores, the latter 4 cores
17:20 Jordach Calinou, because x86
17:20 Calinou jordan4ibanez: lol, consoles, still
17:21 Calinou quadcore ARM CPU = intel atom, btw
17:21 jordan4ibanez What? They're actually capable this time around
17:21 Jordach Calinou, youre forgetting they have no underlying OS
17:21 jordan4ibanez and because amd doesn't know how to make architexture
17:21 Calinou they do
17:21 jordan4ibanez MOAR COREZ
17:21 Calinou just a very small one, and don't forget console games are optimized unlike PC ones
17:21 Jordach (technically speaking, any console is EFI since they load the game directly)
17:21 Calinou it's intended for PC games, I'm pretty sure there are intentional bottlenecks in both the hardware and games
17:22 Calinou why does tesseract run so fast for its graphics?
17:22 jordan4ibanez nintendo loves amd
17:22 Jordach Calinou, they plan on adding that thing into the NeXtBox
17:22 Calinou inb4 600 euros
17:22 Calinou and 70 euro games
17:23 Calinou does that reminder you the PS3?
17:23 jordan4ibanez we should hault all progression of minetest, and focus on optimizing it
17:23 Jordach + one hundred beeellllioooonnnnn
17:23 Calinou it is much more optimized than MC already, get real hardware
17:23 jordan4ibanez calinou stop trolling
17:23 Jordach > Real hardware implies we use hardcore gaming towers
17:24 jordan4ibanez in all seriousness though, the bottleneck of the writing of chunks slows down the gameloop
17:24 jordan4ibanez why is this?
17:24 jordan4ibanez if that could be fixed our servers would run CRAZY fast
17:25 Calinou mapgen is very fast already
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17:26 jordan4ibanez without chunks being generated and written, you can have so many entities spawned without the server slowing down up, but when the terrain starts to generate the server bogs down
17:26 jordan4ibanez slowing down*
17:26 Calinou how are we supposed to make it faster?
17:26 Calinou using another database system?
17:26 Exio Calinou: the 8 cores of the fx are like the 8 threads of intel
17:27 Exio :P with the difference of the t/nm
17:27 jordan4ibanez well does the game try to write the data on the spot without having a cache in memory?
17:27 Exio (where intel wins because being monopoly)
17:28 Calinou jordan4ibanez: people will complain about RAM usage
17:29 Calinou people think lower RAM usage = better performance, just like lower power usage = better temperatures
17:29 jordan4ibanez So what? isn't there a setting to delay the writing of chunks to the hard disk?
17:29 jordan4ibanez c55 wrote a forum post on how to make the server faster, and the main thing that speeds up the server is that writing delay
17:30 jordan4ibanez so why doesn't minetest default to that?
17:30 Calinou you can change time between saves
17:30 Calinou try to set it to 300 seconds or so and see maybe
17:30 jordan4ibanez exactly!
17:30 jordan4ibanez it's like optifine, it makes the game more fun because less lag
17:30 Calinou lag != low fps
17:31 jordan4ibanez yes, and with constant writing = low fps
17:31 Calinou jordan4ibanez: so yes, did you try it, profile RAM usage and ping times on a large server?
17:31 Calinou people should, anyway stop caring about RAM usage, the average amount of RAM a game takes is 2GB today
17:31 Calinou TF2 uses 1800MB right now here
17:31 jordan4ibanez i tried it on my singleplayer game and it had beenfits out the buttcheeks
17:35 * Calinou just got the Machinoob on TF2 :D
17:36 jordan4ibanez could there be a slider in the main menu options menu from 0-300 seconds to write chunks to disc?
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17:37 jordan4ibanez Also blockmen's better grass mod was kind of cool!
17:38 Jordach hey proller
17:38 Jordach did you make the flolands mod?
17:39 jordan4ibanez brb
17:41 rubenwardy PilzAdam: Minetest can not find any of my installed mobs on your latest build
17:41 rubenwardy there is no error and it does not appear on the mod manager
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17:46 rubenwardy debug log: http://pastebin.com/vMtYgS66
17:46 rubenwardy additional info: I am using indev map gen
17:47 PilzAdam what game do you use?
17:47 rubenwardy build
17:47 rubenwardy it says in log...
17:48 PilzAdam then put the mods in mods/build and not in mods/minetest
17:49 rubenwardy seriously?
17:50 rubenwardy The whole point of mods/ is that is should be applied to all games.
17:50 khonkhortisan RealBadAngel, I just made my rubiks cube use the new facedir, and when I turn the bottom, it looks like the shading turns with it.
17:50 PilzAdam no, the whole point of mods/ is to add mods, so you dont need to modify the game
17:50 rubenwardy ok than
17:50 rubenwardy then
17:50 rubenwardy there should be a mods/all
17:53 khonkhortisan http://postimg.org/image/xj8ntbag7/
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17:58 rubenwardy brb. Tea
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18:14 proller Jordach, i make version in indev mapgen
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18:23 jojoa1997|Tablet !YES!
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18:23 jojoa1997|Tablet i finished the texturepack converter except for converting dyes
18:23 khonkhortisan !YES! -> ¡YES!
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18:31 khonkhortisan Can I make a node detect when it's pointed at?
18:32 VanessaE I don't think so
18:32 VanessaE good afternoon all
18:33 khonkhortisan Maybe I could make the selection box huge.
18:34 khonkhortisan I want to have a rubik's cube with each 'cubelet' having a black outline, but still be able to see when it's selected.
18:34 Jordach khonkhortisan, textures
18:36 khonkhortisan yes?
18:36 khonkhortisan I have a wool texture with a one-pixel black square on it
18:36 Jordach create your own textures then
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18:37 khonkhortisan I did, I just can't see black on black
18:37 onpon4 How do you administrate a server that's started from the terminal with minetestserver?
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18:41 Zeg9 onpon4, in your minetest.conf, set name=your ingame name
18:41 onpon4 Alright, thanks Zeg9!
18:41 STHGOM hi Zeg9!
18:41 Zeg9 Hi sparky
18:41 STHGOM i didnt see you!
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18:44 jojoa1997|Tablet is anyone working on better ram usage for minetest
18:45 rubenwardy|away jojoa1997|Tablet: it is called optimisation
18:46 jojoa1997|Tablet yes i see you are away
18:46 STHGOM hahaha
18:47 STHGOM dont listen to him hes away
18:47 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: learn C++, optimize it, ??, profit
18:47 jojoa1997|Tablet Exio give me time?
18:47 jojoa1997|Tablet to breath and then start learning
18:47 Zeg9 Could anyone check minetest pull #571 ?
18:51 rubenwardy I is back
18:52 STHGOM ok ;d
18:52 STHGOM ;D
18:52 rubenwardy New like button on minetest extensions: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/viewmod.php?id=12
18:53 rubenwardy ping: kaeza ^^^
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19:09 paxcoder !who
19:09 paxcoder !up mt1.gameboom.net
19:09 MinetestBot mt1.gameboom.net:30000 seems to be down
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19:20 john_minetest hi rubenwardy
19:20 rubenwardy hi
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19:22 BlockMen_ hi everyone
19:24 rarkenin Hi, what Linux signal should be sent to minetestserver for a safe shutdown? Will SIGTERM work safely?
19:24 PilzAdam yes
19:24 rarkenin OK.
19:26 BlockMen_ rubenwardy, have you looked at the Homepage yet? Is it compatible to your Extensions?
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19:29 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#DBJ5wb8J
19:29 VanessaE lol!
19:29 mauvebic http://youtu.be/V7dg8vRDM68
19:30 rubenwardy not yet
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19:30 us_0gb I don't understand the "s".
19:30 VanessaE Skittles
19:30 VanessaE (taste the rainbow)
19:30 us_0gb Ah. Okay.
19:31 Calinou <VanessaE> (taste the rainbow) => she said
19:31 Calinou ^ my new setinfo on #redeclipse
19:31 VanessaE heh
19:32 VanessaE someone's never heard the commercial for the candy I guess
19:32 Calinou us_0gb: hi by the way :)
19:32 BlockMen_ ok
19:32 Calinou I kow what skittles are
19:32 Calinou know*
19:32 jordan4ibanez if we put cactuses in the crafting table we should get 9 cactus slices
19:33 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: interesting idea -- what for?
19:33 Calinou can we eat cactus slices?
19:33 Calinou I suggest giving 40 hearts per slice.
19:33 us_0gb He, Calinou.
19:33 Calinou also, you can sell cactus slices to intel. for one cactus slice they'll give you a 3970X
19:33 us_0gb t*Hey
19:34 jordan4ibanez we can craft a cactus block with 9 cactus slices, if we cook a cactus slice we should get cooked cactus slice, if we craft 9 cactus slices, we could get cactus brick, if we put a single cactus slice in the crafting bin with a stick shapelessly
19:34 VanessaE 1 heart per cactus block, otherwise a single cactus can fully restore health, which seems wrong to me
19:34 jordan4ibanez we could get dethorned cactus slice, which could be eaten
19:34 BlockMen_ how bout getting water from cactus?
19:34 BlockMen_ t8 slices = 1 bucket
19:34 BlockMen_ *8
19:35 Calinou since when cactuses have water inside
19:35 Calinou (other than water-cooled cactuses)
19:35 Calinou :p
19:35 VanessaE common survival technique in the desert
19:35 BlockMen_ umm...most have?
19:36 jordan4ibanez when you have a glass jar, maybe you could get cactus elixer when a cactus slice is crafted shapelessly with a glass jar
19:36 VanessaE that's a thought...
19:36 mauvebic not peyotle i hope :P
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19:37 BlockMen_ sounds good
19:39 VanessaE but either way, the healing ability of cactus should be very weak
19:39 * Calinou just met someone on #minecrafthelp, who has a satellite C660
19:39 Calinou dat laptop with half-assed drivers
19:39 Jordach \O/
19:39 jordan4ibanez Back in the day http://youtu.be/nj7KsNEhhn4
19:39 VanessaE Calinou: point them to MT ;-()
19:39 VanessaE ;-)
19:40 Calinou won't work probably, the graphics driver (for the intel IGP) needs to be updated in some special way anyway
19:40 Calinou to play most opengl games
19:40 * Calinou is really disappointed about today's laptops
19:41 Calinou what you got in 2008 for 800 euros in a 17": a middle-end graphics card, a fairly good CPU, good amount of RAM, good battery life (even though that kind of laptop uses a lot of power)
19:41 Calinou today you get a slightly better CPU but a totally useless graphics card, and shit battery life despite there's enduro/optimus (= lots of issues, especially on linux)
19:43 jordan4ibanez Hey I just realized that this has been broken for the longest time but with latest it works again! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsYNNyvBiUg
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19:46 BlockMen_ won't the wooden planks get set on fire?
19:47 Traxie21 Minetest.net down?
19:47 PilzAdam Traxie21, no
19:47 jordan4ibanez the whole internet was down for me for a few seconds
19:47 jordan4ibanez weird
19:48 Traxie21 Strange, I timed out on minetest for like 5 mins, its up now
19:48 paxcoder i'm out too
19:48 jordan4ibanez when minetest was poop http://youtu.be/V-9B8vD441I
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19:51 jordan4ibanez I just realised that unity in ubuntu 11.04 used to be nice, look what they've done to it
19:52 jordan4ibanez I am the operator on #minetest in quakenet!
19:52 jordan4ibanez fear me!
19:53 dante123 u complaining about 13.04 unity?
19:53 dante123 !up minetest.info.tm
19:53 MinetestBot minetest.info.tm:30000 seems to be down
19:53 jordan4ibanez I'm complaining about 11.10<
19:54 Jordach dante123, the other day i showed someone how to build
19:54 Jordach a really nice house
19:55 dante123 i switched to Linux Mint 14 instead of 12.10 ubuntu.....but have 13.04 on a machine and seems peppier and like the latest unity
19:55 dante123 *I like* the latest unity
19:55 jordan4ibanez traxie21 what is your server?
19:55 jordan4ibanez well your opinion is WRONG!
19:56 Traxie21 Sunrisetest in the public server list jordan
19:56 dante123 Jordach, in my server you showed someone? or in your own?
19:56 Traxie21 Theres like 5 people on ATM lol
19:56 Jordach dante123, on yours
19:56 Jordach near the spawn
19:56 dante123 ok thanks
19:56 dante123 !up minetest.info.tm
19:56 MinetestBot minetest.info.tm:30000 seems to be down
19:56 BlockMen_ hvae to leave. Bye
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19:57 Traxie21 !up sunrisetest.no-ip.org:30000
19:57 MinetestBot Traxie21: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
19:57 Traxie21 !up sunrisetest.no-ip.org 30000
19:57 MinetestBot sunrisetest.no-ip.org:30000 is up (1.063ms)
19:57 dante123 !up minetest.info.tm
19:57 MinetestBot minetest.info.tm:30000 is up (0.319ms)
19:58 Calinou dante123: xubuntu 13.04, bwahahaha
19:58 Calinou xubuntu is to ubuntu what chromium is to chrome
19:58 Calinou it feels like backstabbing a linux mint|firefox developer, then sapping their dispenser
19:58 Traxie21 Ubuntu 12.10 :>
19:58 Calinou xubuntu 12.10 here :p
19:59 Jordach 12.04
19:59 Traxie21 Windows XP SP3
19:59 Calinou I'll upgrade to 13.04 when it's released
19:59 Traxie21 Cal, I don't need your help with the server anymore
19:59 Traxie21 I got one :D
19:59 Calinou sadly, I'll probably receive my SSD before it is released, so I'll have to upgrade/reinstall :(
19:59 Calinou Traxie21: ok, good :)
19:59 dante123 sticking with Mint 14 on my main pc now, 13.04 dualboot with win 7 for school laptop
19:59 * Calinou will soon receive motherboard/CPU fan/SSD, so that he can admirate them
19:59 Calinou need the case and the PSU :P
20:00 Jordach dante123, are you the teacher by chance?
20:00 dante123 I think a lot of the Unity bashing is misdirected
20:00 dante123 Yes
20:00 Exio Calinou: i don't see the point for a powerful laptop
20:00 Jordach okay, just remind them that i mean no hard
20:00 Jordach harm*
20:00 VanessaE Calinou: got the last of my 16GB upgrade installed yesterday :-)
20:01 Exio a desktop is cheaper and more powerful
20:01 Jordach true
20:02 dante123 if i disable damage, they will still be able to login as usual right?
20:02 dante123 we had some issues with them killing each other or annoying one another by hitting each other
20:02 STHGOM bye
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20:02 Jordach dante123, yes
20:02 VanessaE dante123: sure, you can do that
20:02 Jordach enable_pvp = false
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20:03 VanessaE disabling damage also disabled fall damage and the like, too, I think
20:03 Calinou VanessaE: oh, and I'll have to change my RAM too :( 1333mhz RAM sucks at overclocking
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20:03 dante123 My son is going to University of Waterloo next year.....and we are looking to get him a good laptop....just not sure what to get.\
20:03 Calinou fortunately I found 2×4GB of 1600mhz RAM, which is low profile too, at a good price
20:04 Calinou dante123: anything that isn't acer, toshiba or HP is good
20:04 Calinou generally asus makes good laptops
20:04 VanessaE Calinou: I'm too chickenshit to overclock :-)  (1333 here also)
20:04 dante123 He claims he needs bluray in it....but would settle for external blu ray drive
20:04 Calinou as long as it has a 17" screen it should be fine, just don't get one with an useless graphics card
20:04 * Calinou looks at the 710M
20:04 VanessaE Deivan: well blu-ray readers aren't too expensive anymore, at least for desktop drives
20:04 jordan4ibanez hmmm
20:04 jordan4ibanez I just had a great ide
20:04 jordan4ibanez idea
20:04 dante123 He runs linux too......but if it came with windows he'd likely just dualboot it
20:04 Calinou bluray in laptops is a "no just no" except in 1800 euro ones
20:04 Calinou dante123: very few asus laptops come without OS
20:05 jordan4ibanez ghosts, basically a ghast combined with the wither that blows EVERYTHING up
20:05 dante123 would like to have 8gb ram minimum
20:05 Deivan oO
20:05 dante123 his program involves digital editing
20:05 Deivan :-o
20:05 Calinou however, if you want no OS, clevo sells laptops without OS, and even without RAM or storage if you want to put some yourself!
20:05 Deivan AFK
20:05 Exio i had very good experiences with acer
20:05 Calinou clevo might be a good choice for "partially" building your own laptop somehow
20:05 Jordach dante123, protip try lenovo
20:05 Calinou but their prices are quite high
20:05 Exio and kill yourself then Jordach
20:05 Calinou lenovo is overrated now :P
20:05 Calinou they used to make though, nice stuff, but really it has changed
20:06 Calinou dante123: do not try to get powerful hardware in a laptop, too
20:06 Jordach my brother has a lenovo tower, really nice
20:06 Calinou gaming is something you should do on a desktop unless you want to spend 3000€ on a laptop with a SLI of 680Ms :P
20:06 dante123 why not Calinou?
20:06 Calinou mobile graphic cards and CPUs are nerf guns
20:06 Exio because that is expensive as hell
20:06 Calinou a GTX680M (~400-500€ in a laptop) is less powerful than a 660Ti (~230€)
20:06 john_minetest Anyone knows a live linux with all the dev tools (make, cmake, gcc etc.)?
20:06 Calinou you can overclock the latter to a much higher speed too
20:07 dante123 the high end chromebook that Linus Torvalds is crazy about caught my eye
20:07 Calinou john_minetest: xubuntu + sudo apt-get install
20:07 dante123 run the script that installs ubuntu alongside it
20:07 Calinou dante123: small screen, bad performance/price, hard to repair (battery is hard to replace)...
20:07 john_minetest :S The problem is, that I want to use it without downloading gcc, make and cmake every time.
20:08 jordan4ibanez how do I add a server to my favourites?
20:08 dante123 when do manufacturers typically release new laptop models?  May, Summer, Fall
20:08 Calinou there is no real reason to wait for a new release of something
20:08 Exio Calinou: battery hard to replace? what?
20:08 Calinou haswell will make the prices go up as usual *looks at ultrabooks*
20:08 Calinou Exio: in the chromebook, isn't it a PITA to repair stuff in general?
20:09 Calinou it's an apple-like thing, I imagine the RAM requiring a whole dismount of the laptop to be changed
20:09 VanessaE Calinou: you forgot "less space than a Nomad.  Lame."
20:09 * Calinou doesn't get the joke
20:09 Exio no idea, with my netbook it is just taking a screwdriver and just "open" the stuff below it, no idea how to say it :P
20:09 VanessaE Calinou: it's some silly meme on Slashdot
20:09 Exio and, the battery is just pressing a button and move it
20:09 VanessaE for any device whose performace/capacity specs are pathetic, you add that sentence to the end.
20:10 Calinou netbook != chromebook
20:10 Calinou VanessaE: OCZ would like to talk with you for their PCI-E SSD :P
20:10 Exio ik
20:10 VanessaE heh
20:10 Calinou 750 euros for 750GB (including 100GB of very fast SSD storage)
20:10 VanessaE they can keep their PCIe cards.  I don't trust such devices for storage purposes
20:10 Calinou while you can get a RAID 0 of two 512GB SSD for the same price, better performance and full SSD
20:11 VanessaE though that isn't too bad of a price, but SATA SSD's are now down well under a buck a gig
20:11 VanessaE I think approaching 50 cents when on sale
20:11 Calinou or the samsung 840? 8D
20:15 mauvebic 750 euros for 750gb? youre getting screwed
20:15 * Jordach can pay 100 euros for a 2tb disc
20:15 mauvebic and i thought we paid more for everything in canada lol aparently not tech
20:15 mauvebic seriously i can get 3tb's for 120$ these days
20:16 mauvebic (120 cdn)
20:16 mauvebic roughly the same as USD
20:16 VanessaE mauvebic: solid state disk dude
20:16 mauvebic or a little more on certain days
20:16 dante123 VanessaE can you double check you can get into my server?
20:16 mauvebic SSD's are hardly new here now
20:17 VanessaE dante123: what was the IP again?
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20:17 Jordach minetest.info.tm
20:19 dante123 minetest.info.tm or 24.231.72.57
20:20 Calinou mauvebic: SSDs not SSD's :P
20:20 Calinou the only cases where using ' is acceptable is in something like "no if's, and's or but's"
20:22 VanessaE Calinou: I learned 's for such abbreviations when the abbreviation can't be pronounced as a word.  e.g. RADARs versus DVD's
20:22 VanessaE guess that isn't taught anymore
20:24 Calinou maybe
20:48 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/YIrDCNt.png
20:48 jordan4ibanez does it look weird?
20:49 Jordach anyways, dante123 - im gunna make a castle
20:49 VanessaE Jordach: oh G*D no
20:49 VanessaE ANYTHING but that
20:49 VanessaE I'd sooner see creepers added then skeletons
20:49 Jordach VanessaE, lol
20:49 VanessaE (otherwise, your model looks okay)
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20:50 sfan5 how jordan4ibanez rated a web app (that plays videos) I just made for fun: <jordan4ibanez> it's the next youtube!
20:51 jordan4ibanez it is, it's really nice
20:52 sfan5 i made that just to learn a bit JQuery and JQuery UI
20:52 Calinou heh, crashed when joining VanessaE's server
20:53 VanessaE heh
20:54 jordan4ibanez Thank you vanessae
20:54 VanessaE Calinou: with latest git, I can run 512px HDX again, but it takes ~6.5GB free RAM plus a bit more for the rest of the game/engine to do it
20:54 jordan4ibanez I think I'm going to have to make it 1 extruded mesh for ease of use
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21:05 * Jordach pokes dante123
21:05 Jordach i've just had a really good idea
21:06 VanessaE uh oh
21:06 VanessaE Warning!  Jordach has a "good idea"
21:06 VanessaE Red alert
21:06 VanessaE batten down the hatches
21:07 Jordach i've always had a problem with hand mined leaves
21:07 * Kacey hides
21:07 Jordach instead of making them decay and have to use tree trunks, why not salt + leaves = dry leaves?
21:08 Jordach then they will never decay and are a much better choice for decorative items
21:08 Jordach (also, anyone think stairs + slabs of em?)
21:08 Jordach VanessaE, come to dante's server
21:09 Jordach QUICKLY.
21:09 Jordach unusual bug found
21:09 Kacey what is the bug?
21:09 Jordach minetest.info.tm : 30000
21:09 Jordach gogogo
21:10 VanessaE on my way
21:10 Jordach ill show you it
21:11 Jordach look for my name and run
21:11 VanessaE I have no fast priv.
21:11 Jordach still gogogo
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21:25 jordan4ibanez http://sfan5.dyndns.org/onlinemediaplay/
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21:26 Calinou lol
21:27 sfan5 Calinou: what is so funny? :/
21:31 Jeija http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_GT6a4M90 << Mesecons Machine Competition 3.0 - Connecting to the real life
21:32 Uberi whoa
21:33 jordan4ibanez Jeija you are growing too smart!
21:33 jordan4ibanez soon you will be able to live life through minetest!
21:34 sfan5 haha
21:34 sfan5 Jeija: thats awesome
21:34 Jeija :) Does anyone else of you know some RL electronics, anyone willing to take part in the competition?
21:34 Uberi hmmm
21:35 * sfan5 doesn't have a raspi/etc
21:35 Calinou what is it actually?
21:35 Calinou can't watch videos right now
21:35 sfan5 (except someone makes linux run on a gameboy) ;)
21:35 Jeija I'm controlling my room light using mesecons
21:35 Calinou how?
21:35 PilzAdam Calinou, turn a light on and off with mesecon switches
21:35 Calinou in real life he means
21:36 Jeija Mesecons->Http->Raspi->Room Light
21:36 jordan4ibanez I don't think minecraft has ever been able to do this
21:36 Calinou ah
21:36 Calinou please do nvidia graphic card fan control/overclocking through mesecons, kthx
21:36 Uberi very very cool
21:36 Calinou :>
21:36 sfan5 s/has ever been/will ever be/
21:37 jordan4ibanez This is my what
21:37 jordan4ibanez I can't even
21:37 sfan5 i bet i'm the first person who noticed this: supertux music in the video
21:37 Uberi Jeija: what output interface are you using to the light?
21:37 jordan4ibanez you could control your computer with minetest
21:37 PilzAdam sfan5, you arent :-)
21:37 sfan5 :/
21:38 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: you could make a toast with mesecons
21:38 * Kacey is still figuring out the new digilines stuff
21:38 jordan4ibanez that's a good idea
21:38 Jeija It's a kt851A PNP transistor, the LED Stripes takes 12V
21:38 jordan4ibanez jeija, make a robot with motors, to have it flip a light switch on and off
21:38 Uberi Jeija: COM port?
21:38 PilzAdam Jeija, can you make a solar panel turn the light on and off? so if it gets dark in MT it gets dark in your room...
21:39 Jeija Nope, ethernet
21:39 Uberi ooh, interesting
21:39 Jeija That was the easier solution actually ^^
21:39 Calinou COM port is so 2013
21:39 * sfan5 has a small electronic solar panel
21:39 Jeija jordan4ibanez: A robot doesn't sound too hard; I already have a hacked RS Media Robot lying around somewhere ^^
21:40 jordan4ibanez Nice! Can you also have it input into minetest?
21:40 jordan4ibanez you could use a real life solar panel to control the time in minetest
21:40 Jeija Didn't really do that of things yet, but would theoretically be possible
21:41 Jeija *that kind of
21:41 jordan4ibanez if it rains out, you could use a liquid detection diode, and make it rain in minetest
21:41 Uberi Jeija: wait so the transistor is connected to ethernet?
21:41 Uberi that seems like a strange way to do it
21:41 sfan5 if somebody decides to do anything with usb: http://www.lowlevel.eu/wiki/USB#Elektrische_Hintergr.C3.BCnde
21:42 Jeija Uberi: Did you watch the video? It's a Raspberry Pi, The Transistor is connected with the Raspberry Pi's GPIO
21:42 Jeija I could get the minetest world and the real world closer and closer together until they merge some time, jordan4ibanez ;)
21:42 Uberi what it has GPIO now? :O
21:42 Jeija Basic Input/Output ports
21:42 jordan4ibanez lmao XD
21:42 Uberi since when? now I wanna REALLY buy one
21:43 Jeija 3.3V iirc
21:43 Jeija they're kinda crappy because you get ~0.2V when off and 3.3V only if 0A, but fine for my needs
21:44 Jeija AVR is definitely better...
21:44 Uberi hmm, I'll participate if I can get access to a PIC programmer
21:44 Uberi otherwise I have no way of actually programming my chips
21:45 * Calinou got killed by someone named "LINUXSLACKWARE" on AssaultCube
21:45 Calinou :|
21:45 sfan5 Calinou: you play AssaultCube too?
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21:45 Exio WHO IS HE ILL KILL U AND HE
21:45 Exio :D
21:47 * Kacey wonders if cornernote will appear tonight
21:47 Uberi only on a full moon
21:47 Uberi when jupiter aligns with mars
21:48 jordan4ibanez I can't decide
21:48 Kacey he came back last night
21:48 Uberi really?
21:48 Uberi how's he doing?
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21:51 Kacey idk he didn't talk much
21:51 jordan4ibanez hmm
21:51 jordan4ibanez you can have an admin have access to an emergency switch
21:51 jordan4ibanez if something is going wrong on the server
21:52 jordan4ibanez it will send you a text when that switch is pressed
21:52 Uberi and launches nukes at antarctica, of course
21:52 jordan4ibanez yes but that's just a side effect
21:53 VanessaE [03-26 10:13] * cornernote (~cornernot@27-33-254-153.static.tpgi.com.au) has left #minetest
21:53 VanessaE huh.
21:53 Uberi nobody cares about antarctica :(
21:53 VanessaE without even saying a word?
21:53 Kacey he spoke to me a little
21:53 VanessaE oh ok
21:53 VanessaE has he gone sane yet? ;)
21:54 Calinou sfan5: yeah
21:54 Calinou 'night everyone :P
21:54 Uberi o/
21:54 VanessaE night, Calinou
21:54 Uberi I'm not qualified to make that judgement, VanessaE :P
21:54 Exio bye Calinou \o/
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22:01 jordan4ibanez Wow I guess making a car for rigs of rods really helped me with blender
22:01 jordan4ibanez this skeleton isn't coming out too bad!
22:03 Kacey lol
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22:07 * kaeza is back
22:09 Exio wb kaeza
22:12 kaeza thx :)
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22:20 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/qBq9jzJ.png wild skeletons on the prowl
22:21 paxcoder don't you mean upper halfs of TV people?
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22:22 jordan4ibanez Yes
22:22 dante123 VanessaE, what were you saying is wrong with my server?
22:22 Uberi poor TV people
22:23 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/TVtGcjW.jpg
22:23 VanessaE dante123: you need to check your hard disk(s) for errors, check your minetest world files for corruption
22:23 VanessaE that generation error is not normal
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22:23 VanessaE usually that would happen if your seed (worlds/yourworld/map_meta.txt) got munged
22:23 jordan4ibanez wait can I see
22:24 jordan4ibanez what's the server ip?
22:24 VanessaE I'll grab a screenshot
22:24 VanessaE hold
22:24 dante123 Okay, do you think it could be because I moved the world from running on my laptop (under Windows 7) to linux?
22:24 VanessaE dante123: that is possible, yes
22:24 dante123 also I had been running version 0.4.4 before
22:24 dante123 and then moved that world to 0.4.5
22:25 dante123 how do I check the world files for corruption?
22:25 kaeza Vadtec, I have the 3dforniture merge almost ready; I just want a few opinions
22:25 Uberi 1) run a magnet over your hard drive
22:25 kaeza whoops
22:25 kaeza VanessaE, ^
22:25 Uberi 2) your data is corrupted!
22:25 VanessaE you just have to look at them in an editor or so
22:25 VanessaE kaeza: oh sweet
22:25 Uberi 3) no need to check, we already know
22:25 ShadowNinja dante123: hmm, I think mapgen was suposed to stay unchanged until v7, so that shouldn't affect it
22:25 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: image coming in a minute
22:26 jordan4ibanez A minute? WHY NOT A+ MINUTE?
22:26 * VanessaE waits for an unrelated upload to finish...
22:26 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_2832062039.png
22:26 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: ^^^^^^^^
22:27 jordan4ibanez what the fuck
22:27 VanessaE yeah.
22:27 VanessaE that ^^^ is not normal.
22:28 Exio i want that world!!!!!!!
22:28 Exio >:3
22:28 VanessaE but I think I know why
22:28 VanessaE one of my maps experienced the same problem when I moved from 0.4.4-d1 to a newer version
22:28 VanessaE the way the seed is being interpreted must have changed
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22:29 dante123 how did you fix your issue, or did you just not worry about it
22:29 VanessaE I made a new map.
22:29 VanessaE my map was ugly anyway
22:29 VanessaE in your case,
22:29 VanessaE there is a solution
22:29 VanessaE use worldedit to move everything down :-)
22:30 VanessaE :trollface:
22:30 kaeza VanessaE, should I use the original node names (3dforniture:*) or switch to homedecor:* and add aliases?
22:30 kaeza lol
22:30 VanessaE kaeza: that's a good question!
22:31 VanessaE I think, rename + alias
22:31 dante123 not sure what you mean....move everything down?
22:31 VanessaE dante123: I was joking :-)
22:31 kaeza you want the guy to go nuts?
22:32 VanessaE dante123: really though, your transition from one machine to the other and one version to the other is probably what did it
22:32 VanessaE you really don't have much choice except to work around it, lots of landscaping, etc
22:32 VanessaE maybe mauvebic's landscaping tool would be useful here
22:33 mauvebic my spidey senses tingled
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22:34 dante123 but everything *seems* to be working, what anomalies did you find?
22:44 VanessaE dante123: only that spot that Jordach pointed out where the mapgen created a huge, square cliff
22:45 kaeza mauvebic, will you take bathroom stuff from 3df to pipeworks?
22:45 kaeza I don't want to duplicate stuff
22:45 VanessaE meh, the bathroom stuff doesn't belong in pipeworks imho
22:46 kaeza well, then I will make that to homedecor
22:47 kaeza *into
22:47 mauvebic copy it anyway, not sure how it will connect for now since pipes are so much bigger :/
22:47 VanessaE mauvebic: heh, and someone was just saying the other day that they're still TOO SMALL
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22:48 kaeza at least sinks can be used to re-fill drinking glasses in survival_thirst
22:48 kaeza ditto for homedecor:kitchen_cabinet_with_sink
22:49 VanessaE food mod uses homedecor fridge to preserve food :-)
22:49 VanessaE I think
22:50 kaeza IMHO ovens would look good with some kind of gas supply as fuel
22:50 VanessaE yeah
22:50 kaeza (maybe using pipes for transport)
22:50 VanessaE except they're supposed to look like electric ovens ;-)
22:50 mauvebic well we need both large and small pipes
22:50 mauvebic you cant make an oil pipeline with small pipes anymore than you can pass large pipes to supply a toilet
22:51 kaeza electric ovens are kind of redundant if you have technic
22:52 Uberi but we have so many pipes already
22:54 mauvebic yeah but that can be cut down some more
22:54 mauvebic a single T rotated four ways is already better than 4 seperate T's
22:54 VanessaE if someone wants to rewrite pipeworks to use the new 6d system, I'd be grateful ;)
22:54 VanessaE (and not compress all the damn code down into 1 line...)
22:55 kaeza hehe
22:55 kaeza what do you have against one-liners?
22:55 kaeza :P
22:55 mauvebic every comma, colon and bracket must have its own line :p
22:56 VanessaE nothing - as long as that one line isn't over ~100 characters long ;-)
22:56 NekoGloop Well it must be readable
22:56 mauvebic depends on your definition of readable (and the size of your screen)
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22:57 NekoGloop Well if i need a 30000*15000 screen, then that's unreadable
22:57 Uberi just wait a few years, Super AMOLED Retina HD Plus Video Sharp screens will be out
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23:01 BlockMen_ hi
23:03 BlockMen_ does someone here have experience with windows builds of minetest?
23:03 PilzAdam I do them
23:03 BlockMen_ right :)
23:03 BlockMen_ umm...my problem is irrlicht
23:04 PilzAdam are you on windows?
23:04 BlockMen_ yes
23:04 PilzAdam I guess I cant help then, I cross compile from Linux
23:04 BlockMen_ oh..ic
23:04 PilzAdam but you still can ask your question
23:06 BlockMen_ when creating with cmake it claims that there is an incorrect entry for IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR aswell for IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR
23:06 BlockMen_ which one has to go to where?
23:06 BlockMen_ when trying to compile it claims that it cant find irrTypes.dll
23:07 PilzAdam you just have to set IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR to the folder of irrlicht
23:07 PilzAdam not to subfolders like src/ or bin/
23:08 BlockMen_ did so...(was my first guess)
23:08 BlockMen_ same error
23:08 BlockMen_ which version should i use 1.7 or 1.8?
23:08 BlockMen_ *of irrlich
23:08 BlockMen_ i tried with 1.7
23:08 PilzAdam both should work, but I heard that 1.8 is slower
23:09 BlockMen_ hmm...
23:10 BlockMen_ thanks anyway
23:10 BlockMen_ maybe i will find the solution
23:11 BlockMen_ oh..one question left
23:12 BlockMen_ could it be that cmake does not run nicely on 64-bit (windows) systems?
23:13 PilzAdam thats a good question for google :-)
23:13 BlockMen_ k
23:19 kaeza ok, finished adding bathroom kit
23:19 kaeza changed all node names to homedecor: prefix and added aliases
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23:19 Todolev hello
23:19 Todolev can someone help me
23:19 kaeza I'll stick to old texture names to not break texture packs
23:20 VanessaE good idea
23:20 Todolev who know if  minetest is legal or not?
23:20 kaeza just one caveat:
23:20 PilzAdam Todolev, what?
23:20 kaeza table lamps now have individual textures for the different levels
23:20 Todolev PilzAdam: i wanna know if the game dont have problems
23:20 VanessaE sounds good to me
23:21 PilzAdam why would it have?
23:21 kaeza the old texture name is used by the "off" variant
23:21 Todolev PilzAdam: because i wanna run a server but i need know if dont have copyright
23:22 hmmmm the cyberpolice will getcha if you run a minetest server
23:22 VanessaE Todolev: all code and textures in the server are free license
23:22 hmmmm minetest is totally illegal
23:22 hmmmm you can get 10 years in the slammer for playing it
23:22 kaeza lol
23:22 Uberi yeah Turing's gonna be on yo butt
23:22 Todolev lol
23:22 VanessaE hmmmm: not yet, lamefun says soon though :D
23:22 hmmmm because LuaJIT is illegal too
23:22 Todolev sorry i know is a stupid question
23:22 hmmmm and we should use javascript
23:23 mauvebic lol
23:23 kaeza hmmmm, I just read there's another futile attempt by the US govt at stoping "piracy"
23:23 Uberi hmmmm: too far man
23:23 Todolev but the administrator for run a server wanna know if that game is legal
23:23 VanessaE hmmmm: the person who ports MT to javascript should die in a fire.
23:23 VanessaE Todolev: it is legal.
23:23 hmmmm http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_s4oDBszE_5E/TQJAbySC7qI/AAAAAAAADyg/spyQklGTjtU/s1600/BackTraced.jpg
23:23 VanessaE it has no relationship at all with Minecraft - it is an independent project.
23:24 mauvebic legal for whom? unless your country has laws regulating video games, dont see a problem lol
23:24 Todolev ok
23:24 Todolev thank you to much
23:24 Uberi also Todolev
23:24 Uberi if you use certain mods licensed under the AGPLv3
23:24 Uberi or any Affero variant
23:24 Uberi you have to post links to the source code or publish the source
23:24 Todolev and the mods ?
23:25 Todolev mod are legal too ?
23:25 Uberi the APL and AGPL, basically
23:25 Uberi Todolev: yes, the legal ones are :)
23:25 kaeza oh shit :D http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/03/26/1256210/dos-emulation-arrives-for-the-raspberry-pi
23:25 VanessaE Todolev: most are, yes.
23:25 Todolev thank you
23:25 Todolev today i start working to run the server
23:25 VanessaE there are a couple where legality is questionable like if they use some proprietary texture or something
23:25 BlockMen_ when i define ZLIB_DLL, do i have to select as Type "PATH", "FILEPATH" or "STRING"?
23:25 mauvebic though good luck getting the EFF to take up the cause lol
23:26 Todolev well i have to go i dont wanna annoying more
23:26 kaeza hmmmm, http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/03/25/2212238/draft-computer-fraud-and-abuse-act-update-expands-powers-and-penalties
23:26 Todolev thanks for help guys
23:26 PilzAdam BlockMen_, file path, I guess
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23:26 BlockMen_ thx
23:26 VanessaE kaeza: so basically, SOPA all over again?
23:27 PilzAdam BlockMen_, yep, just checked my win build script
23:27 kaeza yep
23:27 PilzAdam dlls have to use FILEPATH
23:27 jojoa1997|Tablet Block man are you making your texture converter in batch
23:27 BlockMen_ ok, thanks PilzAdam
23:27 BlockMen_ no, I make it with vb and ui
23:28 BlockMen_ *gui
23:28 jojoa1997|Tablet Oh cool
23:28 jojoa1997|Tablet I made one but it is very limited and crude
23:28 jojoa1997|Tablet It is all batch files
23:28 BlockMen_ have seen, but it looks good
23:28 jojoa1997|Tablet Can't wait for yours
23:28 jojoa1997|Tablet Thanks
23:28 BlockMen_ but how can u clip images with batch?
23:29 jojoa1997|Tablet The only problem is now minecraft has a really flexible way there texture packs can go
23:29 jojoa1997|Tablet I cant
23:29 BlockMen_ because the mc-tp have alway this terrain.png file
23:29 jojoa1997|Tablet All it does is rename but it is all automaric
23:29 jojoa1997|Tablet Have you seen the new texture pack style
23:30 NekoGloop http://xkcd.com/424/
23:30 BlockMen_ there is a new?
23:30 BlockMen_ damn.
23:30 jojoa1997|Tablet Download one for 1.5 and look at textures/blocks
23:30 BlockMen_ oh..ok
23:30 BlockMen_ thx for the hint
23:30 jojoa1997|Tablet now each item/block is in its own file up to a point
23:31 Kacey huh
23:31 jojoa1997|Tablet the heart and stuff is in the gui/*png
23:31 Kacey MineCraft is written in c++ and Obj.C
23:31 jojoa1997|Tablet the textures are made like minetest
23:31 jojoa1997|Tablet no the textures
23:31 VanessaE uh, no
23:31 VanessaE minecraft is in java
23:31 Kacey no
23:32 BlockMen_ that explains why you can do that with batch ;)
23:32 NekoGloop minecraft is made in basic
23:32 jojoa1997|Tablet ?
23:32 BlockMen_ PilzAdam, i use PATH for ZLIB_INCLUDE_DIR, right?
23:32 jojoa1997|Tablet minecraft textures are png
23:32 Kacey http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Minecraft look under written in
23:32 PilzAdam BlockMen_, yes
23:32 BlockMen_ my program cuts the each block out of terrain.png
23:32 VanessaE Kacey: look again
23:33 VanessaE Written in
23:33 VanessaE Java (Computer)
23:33 VanessaE C++[1] (Android)
23:33 VanessaE Objective-C (iOS)
23:33 VanessaE C++[2] C#/XNA(?) (Xbox 360)
23:33 BlockMen_ so u dont need anymore with new design...so it is possible with batch
23:33 NekoGloop ironic that "java runs on everything"
23:33 BlockMen_ thx, PilzAdam
23:33 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam
23:33 VanessaE Write Once, Run Nowhereâ„¢
23:34 kaeza lol
23:34 jojoa1997|Tablet i want to make a pull request to allow items to drop when a chest is dug where do i put it
23:34 jojoa1997|Tablet in the minitest mod?
23:34 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: against minetest common
23:34 VanessaE I guess.
23:34 jojoa1997|Tablet no this is more the game minitest
23:35 VanessaE well
23:35 VanessaE chests are defined in default
23:35 VanessaE which is in common
23:35 jojoa1997|Tablet i have a way to redefine it
23:35 VanessaE then it won't be accepted.
23:35 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, Speak to Traxie21
23:35 VanessaE change the basic definition of the chest, don't redefine it
23:36 jojoa1997|Tablet traxie left before i could
23:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, you are wrong
23:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: lstory of my life.
23:36 VanessaE -l
23:36 PilzAdam if you include mods from common then you can override stuff of it
23:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: well duh, I knew that
23:37 PilzAdam thats what he wants to do
23:37 kaeza VanessaE, what was 3df textures' license again? can't find in the README...
23:37 VanessaE but that's not how it should be done when working with upstream
23:37 VanessaE he wants to pull-request it
23:37 kaeza CC-BY-SA?
23:37 VanessaE kaeza: lemme look
23:37 PilzAdam VanessaE, he is talking about minitest
23:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: OH
23:38 VanessaE reading comprehension FAIL :)
23:38 VanessaE one letter difference...
23:38 BlockMen_ PilzAdam, the mainproblem is following: In the readme there is just mentioned the IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR, but CMAKE claims that IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR and IRRLICHT_DLL is also needed
23:38 BlockMen_ and idk which dll i have to choose for IRRLICHT_DLL
23:38 VanessaE kaeza: I see nothing describing it.  I would guess GPL
23:38 VanessaE kaeza: in which case, don't use them - use the ones in my 16px HDX pack
23:39 VanessaE they look very similar to the defaults anyway
23:39 kaeza ok
23:39 PilzAdam BlockMen_, does that help: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh#L112 ?
23:41 kaeza VanessaE, mind if I ditch the inventory_images and let the engine draw them instead?
23:41 VanessaE kaeza: yeah, ditch them
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23:42 VanessaE there's no reason to use those now anyway
23:42 BlockMen_ yep :)
23:42 VanessaE (at least in this case)
23:42 VanessaE (inb4 PilzAdam makes a snarky comment ;-) 0
23:44 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam
23:44 paxcoder PilzAdam's read "please, adam", right?
23:44 jojoa1997|Tablet would i register the chest like this
23:45 jojoa1997|Tablet ":default:chest"
23:45 jojoa1997|Tablet or
23:45 jojoa1997|Tablet ":chest"
23:45 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, talk to Traxie21 and read this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=78156#p78156
23:47 jojoa1997|Tablet Not in minitest
23:49 BlockMen_ it still cant find irrTypes.h when compiling.
23:49 BlockMen_ enough for today, i will try another day
23:50 BlockMen_ gd n8t everyone
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23:52 Kacey well i might be getting rid of my netbook
23:52 Kacey and then i will have no way of accomplishing simple tasks on linux
23:52 Kacey and i will lose Kaceybot
23:53 Kacey and lose all my old worlds
23:53 paxcoder are you going to lose Keyboard?
23:53 Kacey ?
23:53 paxcoder sounds like you're switching to a tablet
23:53 Kacey brb
23:53 paxcoder alrighty then
23:56 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/rUwVLZe.png
23:56 jordan4ibanez skeletons uv mapping is complete
23:57 paxcoder that's better
23:58 paxcoder i'm guessing that viewing from above might make it look as if they're crying
23:58 jordan4ibanez they make me feel uncomfortable and I'm the one who made them lol
23:59 paxcoder which imo makes them look more scary than if it's supposed to be a frown with beady eyes
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23:59 jordan4ibanez Lol :D

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