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00:00 jojoa1997_Tablet what is it called
00:01 jojoa1997_Tablet i think someone should code for all the letters so we could have better moding
00:01 jojoa1997_Tablet where is the code so i can try to do it
00:01 jin_xi jojoa1997_Tablet: learn to use search tools such as grep or ack
00:01 Exio http://github.com/minetest/minetest/
00:01 jin_xi so you can find relevant code faster
00:01 Exio he uses windows
00:02 jin_xi oh
00:02 jin_xi well, idk then
00:04 jojoa1997_Tablet Could someone point me to the key bindings
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00:04 Kacey why is my infinite lava source failing?
00:04 jojoa1997_Tablet It is a feature pilzadam added
00:04 Exio Kacey: lava source?
00:04 lamefun uhm
00:05 Exio i see non renewable stuff good for a survival gameplay
00:05 lamefun With C++ API instead Lua, would modding die?
00:05 kaeza Kacey, default/init.lua change liquid_renewable = true in default:lava_source
00:05 Exio lamefun: nope
00:05 lamefun Is it worth to try to implement?
00:05 Kacey im on Menches server
00:05 jojoa1997_Tablet Only faster iirc
00:05 kaeza lamefun, maybe
00:05 lamefun I want virtual machines CPU emulator computerblock mod.
00:06 kaeza lamefun, the thing is that Lua will still exist (because it's easier to create a mod in Lua than in C++)
00:06 kaeza so you will have to use Lua anyway
00:07 Exio "how to add a new ore in lua", "put 10 lines in a file" "run"
00:07 PilzAdam and its easier to publish a mod in Lua
00:07 lamefun I think C++ API can be very easy too, if it's doxygenified and well-documented and simple.
00:07 Exio "how to add a new ore in C++" "put 50 lines in a file" "compile it" "do something for having it in the engine" "run"
00:08 kaeza lamefun, if you are interested in a pseudo-C++ modding, you can create a bootstrap init.lua that loads an external library (written in C/C++) and do the hard work
00:08 Exio kaeza is an expert of that
00:08 Exio *cough* ircmod *cough^*
00:08 Exio :P
00:08 kaeza Exio, irc mod is 99% Lua 1% C :P
00:09 jojoa1997_Tablet Guysa
00:09 jojoa1997_Tablet Should there be a crafting book in defaulr
00:09 jojoa1997_Tablet A book that is a too
00:09 kaeza but anyway, you understand lamefun
00:09 jojoa1997_Tablet Tool
00:09 PilzAdam no
00:09 jojoa1997_Tablet Why not?
00:10 PilzAdam it makes things too easy
00:10 jojoa1997_Tablet nonono
00:10 jojoa1997_Tablet i mean a crafting guide so people can know how to craft things
00:10 jojoa1997_Tablet it would also work with mods
00:11 kaeza jojoa1997_Tablet, change craft_guide into a tool format and enjoy
00:11 jojoa1997_Tablet it is for beginer players
00:11 jojoa1997_Tablet no i did
00:11 Exio so?
00:11 jojoa1997_Tablet but should it be added to default
00:11 Exio minetest_game will not have every mod what is in the forum
00:11 jojoa1997_Tablet i know but this is more than new blocks
00:11 Exio minetest_game will NOT have every mod what is in the forum
00:11 Exio :D
00:12 jojoa1997_Tablet i know
00:12 PilzAdam Exio, can you send me a copy of you as a bot that says exactly this when someon suggests something?
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00:13 jojoa1997_Tablet CAN YOU not ADD A CRAFT GUIDE MOD TO MINETEST_GAME
00:13 Exio PilzAdam: of course!
00:13 jojoa1997_Tablet please
00:13 Exio :P
00:13 jojoa1997_Tablet :x
00:14 jojoa1997_Tablet please do my request
00:14 Exio i has other request, stop doing requests, can my request by done without other requests? thanks
00:14 PilzAdam Exio, Ill just ping you next time I need this statement
00:14 jojoa1997_Tablet exio
00:14 jojoa1997_Tablet CAN YOU not ADD A CRAFT GUIDE MOD TO MINETEST_GAME
00:15 jojoa1997_Tablet look at the only non caps part
00:16 lamefun What about replacing Lua with JavaScript?
00:16 Exio wtf
00:16 PilzAdam what about breaking every mod out there?
00:16 * jojoa1997_Tablet blows up lamefun
00:16 lamefun JavaScript is the programming language of the future, the programming language for people, the official programming language of the planet Earth, supported by Google, Microsoft and Apple, and has lots of very fast JIT intepreters.
00:17 jin_xi lua is just as nice
00:17 lamefun We can't rely on LuaJIT, it's one-man project (correct me if I am wrong).
00:17 PilzAdam "supported by Google, Microsoft and Apple,"
00:17 PilzAdam says it all....
00:17 jin_xi js is nice too
00:17 VanessaE fuck js.
00:17 Exio js is nice, but i don't think *replacing* lua would be ok
00:18 Exio if you want to code a way to have js and lua without 10000000 lines of code for everything in the api
00:18 Exio i will try it
00:18 jin_xi guile is adding lua too, might be an option some day
00:18 * jin_xi muses
00:18 Exio guile? scheme? :D
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00:19 lamefun why not replacing Lua? JavaScript is what's for people.
00:19 NekoGloop because java is bad
00:19 Exio java != javascript
00:19 PilzAdam javascript is worse than Lua
00:19 lamefun Windows 8 has it as the recommended programming language, so do GNOME 3 and KDE 5 will
00:19 lamefun But it's what's for people
00:19 lamefun And its JIT is maintained by big corporations instead of just one man.
00:20 lamefun So we can rely on it.
00:20 VanessaE forget it, lamefun.
00:20 VanessaE it ain't gonna happen in MT.
00:20 PilzAdam Minetest was mostly written by one person
00:20 PilzAdam we cant rely on it
00:20 PilzAdam delete it!
00:20 NekoGloop You?
00:20 Exio linux started in someway like that
00:22 tripod java still have security flaws for the last 5 years or so
00:22 Kacey what is LuaJIT anyway?
00:22 lamefun Minetest isn't something that needs advanced computer science degrees, JIT is.
00:22 Exio lamefun: are you saying in someway MT is a simple program?
00:22 Exio or i just can't understand what you are saying
00:22 jin_xi Kacey: its an alternative lua implementation that uses just in time compilation for optimisation
00:23 PilzAdam LuaJIT is from 0 to 10 times faster in Minetest mods
00:23 lamefun Compared to JIT, yes. It may contain lots of code, but it doesn't need advanced computer science degrees to understand.
00:23 Exio ok
00:24 tripod well fork MT lamefun
00:24 tripod too ez
00:24 tripod amirite
00:24 lamefun So there's more chance of Minetest being picked up if it's abandoned than of a JIT compiler.
00:26 Exio lamefun: idea, fork minetest, replace lua with javascript, and so
00:27 Exio when it starts working perfectly, and you have default ported to it
00:27 Exio s/default/minetest_game/
00:27 Exio then your reviews will be take as something
00:27 VanessaE then you can start porting the other 250-some mods.
00:27 jin_xi no need
00:27 jin_xi they will quickly be replaced im sure
00:29 jin_xi but then, why stop there... make formspecs webviews.
00:29 PilzAdam VanessaE, can you please start an important discussion?
00:29 VanessaE why?
00:29 PilzAdam I wanna leave
00:30 VanessaE this is #minetest, we don't discuss anything important here :-)
00:30 PilzAdam bye
00:30 VanessaE besides, you want RealBadAngel, not me :)
00:32 Exio jin_xi: hahahahaha
00:32 Exio port webkit to minetest!
00:33 lamefun or port Minetest to HTML5
00:33 VanessaE noooooooo
00:33 VanessaE /kick lamefun
00:33 lamefun HTML5 is the future, for people!
00:34 VanessaE in MY day we wrote stuff in fucking ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE.
00:34 VanessaE not a fucking MARKUP language.
00:34 lamefun Assembly is good, but will be banned.
00:34 VanessaE wtf?
00:34 tripod o.O you know asm too
00:34 Exio got it
00:34 tripod i dont know many people in AU who know asm
00:35 VanessaE tripod: just old 8-bit assembly, 6502 tuff.
00:35 VanessaE stuff*
00:35 lamefun Today it's only used by big corporations that write compilers and interpreters and by hackers and criminals. There's no need for it to be public knowledge now.
00:35 tripod VanessaE: ahh i was talking about x86 asm
00:35 VanessaE oh please.
00:35 VanessaE stop reading 1984.
00:35 tripod wow this guy is serious
00:35 VanessaE tripod: same difference, just a different architecture.
00:35 tripod oh nice
00:35 tripod VanessaE: you know Forth demension by chance/
00:35 tripod ?
00:35 VanessaE nope.
00:35 tripod dang
00:36 Exio can anyone help me with something?
00:36 * tripod looking for love in wrong places
00:36 VanessaE I coul dsing you some FIFTH Dimension though :D
00:36 Exio i need to kill someone
00:36 tripod man
00:36 tripod my bad
00:36 tripod not forth..
00:36 VanessaE Exio: fire up Open Arena :D
00:36 Exio s/Open Arena/Redeclipse/ :3
00:36 tripod warsow/nexuiz/xonotic
00:36 tripod urt
00:36 Exio hey sfan5
00:37 Exio xonotic yes
00:37 tripod i dislike xonotic :(
00:37 kaeza assaultcube :3
00:37 Exio why tripod?
00:37 tripod ac is pretty boss
00:37 Exio kaeza: pls
00:37 Exio since when you play it
00:37 tripod Exio: map flow/item placements/too many weapons and shitty physics/balance :P
00:37 tripod but i am an elitist cpm player.
00:37 kaeza since I pwned you the other day
00:37 lamefun The same is going to happen to C and C++ one day.
00:37 tripod so bias from the get go
00:37 VanessaE Exio: either way, go frag some bots, get your frustrations out.
00:37 VanessaE lamefun: no, it won't.
00:37 * sfan5 is finally back from Italy
00:37 tripod C/C++ is standard
00:38 VanessaE sfan5: welcome back
00:38 tripod until something as modular and as awesome comes out
00:38 VanessaE if "the powers that be" couldn't kill C after, what, 30 years now?  they never will
00:38 VanessaE shit, over 40 years now
00:38 lamefun x86/ARM assembler not standard?
00:38 VanessaE 1969.
00:39 Exio tripod: the thing what i like from RE is the thing of walking in the walls with a smg and suddenly jumping changing to the shotgun and plaf!
00:39 tripod RE is cool
00:39 tripod just not fast enough for me
00:39 tripod i do enjoy it
00:39 Exio gamespeed 125
00:39 tripod but often enough major changes happen all the time with weapons on the svn
00:39 tripod so im constantly going wtf
00:39 sfan5 VanessaE: thanks
00:39 Exio wait
00:40 Exio sfan5: italy?
00:40 Exio do you speak italian?
00:40 sfan5 no
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00:40 sfan5 8)
00:40 tripod i speak some italian
00:40 Exio aww, i started the italian classes today :P
00:40 VanessaE lamefun: there's a fair chance that the x86 architecture will become obsolete some day, but you'll never get rid of all the hackers and coders out there.
00:40 tripod like
00:40 tripod spagetti
00:40 Exio XD
00:40 tripod <-- australian
00:40 VanessaE We control the rasters.  We control the scroll bars.  We are legion.  or something.
00:40 Exio <- argentinean
00:41 Exio :D
00:41 lamefun People are born with dead souls, then the souls are brough alive by locked-up education and then if you commit thoughtcrime, then your soul dies again.
00:41 VanessaE sfan5: what brought you to italy (and don't mention a form of transportation either ;-) )
00:41 tripod the fuck
00:41 tripod lol
00:41 VanessaE lamefun: HUH!?
00:41 tripod this guy
00:41 Exio VanessaE: it is already obsolote, x86_64
00:41 VanessaE someone show this guy TIMECUBE
00:41 VanessaE :D
00:41 BlindBanana minetest 0.4.5 packages available for openSUSE 12.1 12.2 12.3 and Tumbleweed (rolling release), packages url: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/BlindBanana:/branches:/games/ url for depdended packages: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/games/ just pick the right subfolder according your distribution
00:41 sfan5 VanessaE: a class trip
00:41 NekoGloop show him ifunny, he'll be gone for hours
00:41 lamefun The site full of diversitivist lies... The ONEist Global Government will unify everything!
00:41 VanessaE Exio:  I mean the general architecture i.e. that which can run say Windows 3.1 :-)
00:41 sfan5 and a bus
00:41 * kaeza wished someone compiled MT for Puppy already :D
00:42 tripod oh shit
00:42 lamefun ONE platform --- HTML5, ONE operating system --- Windows.
00:42 tripod i sense Illuminutty
00:42 VanessaE windows?  FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU
00:42 VanessaE Linux or GTFO
00:42 Kacey both ^_^
00:42 lamefun VanessaE: Microsoft made it so that ARM have mandatory non-disablable "Secure" Boot.
00:42 kaeza lamefun, DON'T SAY THE 'W' WORD HERE!!
00:42 Kacey windows windows windows
00:42 kaeza /ban Kacey
00:42 VanessaE lamefun: no, microsoft demanded it but the MANUFACTURERS made it, and that only applies to certain ARM-based platforms.
00:42 lamefun When x86 is obsolete, the world for people is coming!
00:43 Kacey i run both windows and linux
00:43 lamefun Are there non-locked-down ARM platforms?
00:43 Exio lamefun: http://forum.dronprogs.org/files_for_my_posts/books/GEA.pdf
00:43 Exio read the book, then come back
00:43 Kacey on different computers
00:43 VanessaE lamefun: yes, though I don't remember which ones.
00:43 VanessaE hell aren't most tablets ARM?
00:43 Exio lamefun: yes, 99% of the arm cpus
00:43 Exio devices and so
00:43 lamefun Aren't most tablets locked-down?
00:44 kaeza who says x86 is obsolete? maybe some fucktard that bloats an OS with highly inefficient crap
00:44 VanessaE lamefun: no, most tablets run Android now.
00:44 NekoGloop Aren't you kinda lost here?
00:44 lamefun Isn't Android locked-down (need to hack root privileges, etc.)?
00:44 VanessaE lamefun: not as far as I am aware it isn't.
00:44 * kaeza puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
00:44 VanessaE Android is Linux.
00:44 Exio android is locked down for final users
00:44 lamefun Doesn't matter.
00:45 Exio if you want root you have two ways, using the "dev" releases with all of the power, or "hacking it"
00:45 lamefun If Linux was GPLv3, then they couldn't lock it down.
00:45 bas080 knurd
00:45 lamefun But it's still GPLv2
00:45 Exio lamefun: wtf?
00:45 Exio lamefun: how does that matter?
00:46 Exio the kernel is not the thing what is locked, and the code is opensource, and if it were gplv3
00:46 Exio we will not be able to use most of the "closeddevices"
00:46 Exio what are actually floating around
00:47 Exio in any case, you're a troll so gtfo
00:47 Exio -ban
00:47 Exio oops
00:47 VanessaE point is, it is fairly trivial to unlock a tablet, not that this is even slightly germane to the discussion.
00:47 VanessaE if it's locked down at all.
00:48 Exio the "boot" of my android device wasn't blocked
00:48 Exio even, i had to reflash other official rom for having root
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00:50 jojoa1997|Tablet does anyone know any good android games?
00:50 VanessaE lamefun: your dystopian future will never come to pass.  The rest of us will prevent that from ever happening.
00:50 VanessaE even if the world goes to shit, we'll still be here.
00:51 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: yes, terminal emulator, chroot and gcc :)
00:51 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: angry birds. :D
00:51 VanessaE jk
00:51 VanessaE a good game?  easy.  ssh -X some_server_that_has_X -c "minetest"
00:51 VanessaE ;)
00:51 jojoa1997|Tablet ok genre fighting/simple(non car) racing games
00:51 VanessaE (I wonder if that would actually work?)
00:51 Exio it will .. not
00:51 jojoa1997|Tablet brb
00:52 Exio because android does not use a X11 server, and if you install one
00:52 kaeza I'd like to find a *good* racing game
00:52 Exio the actual X11 server does not has support for accelerated access or so
00:52 kaeza TORCS is shit
00:52 VanessaE while I was at the optomotrist last week, I saw a kid playing on some little tablet, one of those smaller-than-usual ones.  Some zombie game.  You had to throw street trash at zombies who were slowly plodding toward you
00:52 VanessaE kaeza: extreme tuxracer :D
00:53 jojoa1997|Tablet joined #minetest
00:53 kaeza VanessaE, good, but I'm looking something more "realistic" (in the veins of Gran Turismo)
00:53 Exio err
00:53 Exio i have played a game for that
00:53 Exio like 3 years ago or so
00:54 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: can i ask why |tablet if you are using it like 95% of the time?
00:54 Exio you should use jojoa1997|desktop :)
00:54 kaeza ^
00:54 VanessaE haha
00:54 jojoa1997|Tablet nope
00:54 VanessaE Exio: well in that case, guess we'll have to work on porting the game to Android directly :)
00:55 jojoa1997|Tablet my computer is on "bsecure" and this is my way around it
00:55 Exio VanessaE: are there any direct X11/api calls?
00:55 VanessaE dunno
00:55 kaeza and while at it, to SymbianOS :D
00:55 jojoa1997|Tablet guys
00:55 jojoa1997|Tablet if someone ports something to android will i still be able to use lua mods
00:56 Exio if irrlicht works in android (and does), you should be able in teory to get a "release working" (thanks to proller patches for opengles)
00:56 jojoa1997|Tablet ports minetest to android
00:56 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: if it were ported, probably.
00:56 * jojoa1997|Tablet makes sfan5|OFF come back to port android
00:57 jojoa1997|Tablet ok so what is the best android game besides the futere minetest(and the current non appstore downloaded minecraft)
00:58 kaeza how does one pull a single/few commits from a diff repo?
00:58 jojoa1997|Tablet pull the rest and erase them
00:58 jojoa1997|Tablet jk
00:58 VanessaE git add remote somename git@blahblah.url.git; git fetch somename; git cherrypick commitidblahblahblahblahblah
00:58 VanessaE something like that I guess
00:59 kaeza hmm gonna try
00:59 jojoa1997|Tablet what is this? v
00:59 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77702#p77702
00:59 jojoa1997|Tablet is it android minetest?
00:59 VanessaE no
00:59 * jojoa1997|Tablet would scream for joy
00:59 VanessaE OpenSUSE is another Linux distro
01:00 * jojoa1997|Tablet goes and jumps off a cliff
01:00 * VanessaE yells after jojoa1997|Tablet ...  "Can I have yoUR TABLET!?"
01:00 VanessaE (imagine me getting louder as he falls)
01:01 VanessaE :)
01:01 * jojoa1997|Tablet takes the tablet with him
01:01 * khonkhortisan uses OpenSuSE
01:02 * jojoa1997|Tablet muwhahaHAHAHAHA!HA!HA!HA!H!HA!H!A!H!A!
01:02 * Kacey is eating applesauce. be jealous
01:02 VanessaE Ubuntu Precise or GTFO :-)
01:02 * jojoa1997|Tablet gets louder as he falls
01:02 khonkhortisan is Precise a version?
01:02 jojoa1997|Tablet Kacey so am i
01:02 VanessaE khonkhortisan: 12.04, yeah
01:02 khonkhortisan I have 12.1
01:03 khonkhortisan gotta update to 2 or 3
01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet this is the way to go data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBhQSERUSERIUFBUVFxQWFRcWFBcWFRQUFRQVFBgSFhcYHyceGBwjGhQUHy8hIygpLCwsFx4xNTwqNSYrLCkBCQoKDgwOGA8PGiokHCUsLyosLyksLTUpLCwsLCwsNSwsMCwsLywpLywqLywsNSwuLCosKSwpKSksLCwsLCwsLP/AABEIAKAAoAMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAbAAEAAgMBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAUBAwYCB//EADsQAAEDAgMEBwYDCAMAAAAAAAEAAgMEERIhMQUGQVETImFxgZGhBzJCUrHRFCOSFUNicoKywcIz4fD/xAAaAQEAAgMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ
01:04 Exio .
01:04 VanessaE wtf?
01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet oops
01:04 khonkhortisan how do I open that?
01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet i did select all with keyboard sorry
01:04 preludelinux lol
01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet click it or copy and paste
01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet once i pressed enter i started cracking up
01:05 VanessaE next time paste a URL :)
01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet joined #minetest
01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet that was the url
01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet it kicked me oout
01:05 VanessaE no, that was not the whole URL to whatever it was :-)
01:06 VanessaE protip: use bit.ly :-)
01:06 jojoa1997|Tablet that was the piuck url
01:06 VanessaE it didn't go through.
01:06 VanessaE [03-21 21:06] <VanessaE> next time paste a URL :)
01:06 VanessaE [03-21 21:06] * jojoa1997|Tablet has quit (Quit: Bye)
01:07 jojoa1997|Tablet what
01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet joined #minetest
01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet http://www.buythecase.net/uploads/products/200/1480000010.jpg
01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet yay
01:15 jojoa1997|Tablet why must sfan5 abandon me in my greatest time of need
01:15 sfan5 what?
01:15 jojoa1997|Tablet i have to do homework and he wont let me play minetest on my tablet
01:15 jojoa1997|Tablet yay he returns
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01:16 jojoa1997|Tablet sfan5 i heard that you can port minetest to android now with some changes to mineytest source
01:16 jojoa1997|Tablet who said it earlier
01:16 sfan5 umm
01:16 sfan5 i had no time to work on that lately
01:17 sfan5 also the irrilicht examples don't even run
01:17 sfan5 -i
01:17 jojoa1997|Tablet http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-03-22#i_2946602
01:17 jojoa1997|Tablet look
01:17 sfan5 Exioif irrlicht works in android (and does), you should be able in teory to get a "release working" (thanks to proller patches for opengles)
01:18 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah
01:18 sfan5 prollers patches are not a big help, as i already made minetest makefiles accept opengles
01:18 jojoa1997|Tablet could you do it
01:18 jojoa1997|Tablet oh then what is the prob
01:18 sfan5 <sfan5> the irrlicht examples don't even run
01:18 jojoa1997|Tablet examples?
01:19 jojoa1997|Tablet why not try the actual game
01:19 sfan5 if even a simple example application doesn't work, why should the game work
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01:19 jojoa1997|Tablet maybe the application is wrong
01:20 jojoa1997|Tablet or maybe there is something with your android
01:20 sfan5 what do you mean.. "wrong"?
01:20 jojoa1997|Tablet idk something
01:24 Exio sfan5: they don't run?
01:24 sfan5 no
01:24 Exio btw, how did you compile it?
01:24 sfan5 with 2 different ways: ndk using cross compiling and ndk using NativeActivity
01:26 Exio hehe
01:26 Exio in what phone, btw?
01:26 Exio i will try in somedays with my lg p350 and so
01:27 sfan5 target revision was 8 i think
01:33 * Kacey is eating a drumstick. be jealous
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01:42 Aggies hello everybody
01:45 NekoGloop Meow
01:46 Aggies lol
01:46 NekoGloop Meow?
01:46 VanessaE meow.
01:47 * Aggies pets NekoGloop and feeds him some kibble
01:47 * NekoGloop spits it out
01:48 Kacey dear god *facepalm*
01:48 Aggies lol
01:48 Kacey Aggies, join Menche's server
01:48 Aggies no
01:49 VanessaE y u no play on mine? :(
01:50 Kacey i am playing legit build right no
01:50 Kacey now*
01:50 Kacey Aggies, why not?
01:50 Aggies on facbeook
01:51 ShadowNinja VanessaE: about the minetest over ssh thing, it works, but I only got the menu, and that at about 1 FPS
01:51 Kacey open teamviewer
01:51 Aggies k
01:51 Aggies i'm on
01:52 Kacey check your messages
01:52 Kacey on the left side of the screen
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01:57 kaeza woht http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77709#p77709
01:58 VanessaE wtf?
02:00 Aggies lets start a riot a riot lets start a riot tell me if you kno wwhat song this is
02:02 lamefun btw
02:02 lamefun Google, Microsoft and Apple care about JavaScript security
02:02 lamefun so we'll have mods safe for server
02:03 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#Nbe36caN
02:03 ShadowNinja because we know microsoft is great at security...
02:03 Exio they are good at making security...
02:03 Exio ..holes :)
02:03 lamefun I'm using Google's engine.
02:07 Aggies 0.1 lag feels so good
02:08 kaeza WTF is wrong with everyone having Lua as scripting language??
02:08 kaeza s/having/not wanting/
02:11 kaeza I don't know you, but that guy is starting to sound like Likwid
02:12 VanessaE kaeza: two words:  slow mods
02:12 VanessaE :-)
02:12 kaeza VanessaE, so you prefer having to compile 100+ mods for every platform out there? :)
02:12 VanessaE no :)
02:13 VanessaE I prefer magic like LuaJIT and having appropriately heavy function moved into the core of whatever engine is in quesiton :-)
02:13 VanessaE question*
02:13 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#NWDqji8J
02:14 kaeza lol I had one of these as akid http://ifunny.mobi/#2yjktUNc
02:14 kaeza s(akid/a kid/
02:14 kaeza fuk
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02:17 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#lZyg2i8J
02:20 lamefun kaeza, VanessaE: LuaJIT is a one-man project and I fear it'll die, while there fast free software are JavaScript engines from corporations like Mozilla, Google, Apple.
02:20 VanessaE corporations can die too, but open source software will live as long as someone wants to maintain it.
02:21 kaeza lamefun, go help the LuaJit man then
02:21 kaeza :)
02:21 kaeza IIRC minetest would be dead by now if no one started to help c55
02:21 lamefun The whole Web 3.0 depends on JavaScript, so there are always people to maintain the JS interpreter. Who needs LuaJIT besides minetest?
02:22 kaeza lamefun, a fuckton of projects
02:22 VanessaE lots of projects use Lua.
02:22 VanessaE and "web 3.0" is a bullshit idea, which will probably be powered by AJAX or something, not js.
02:22 lamefun How many actually need performance beyond standard interpreter and use LuaJIT?
02:23 kaeza that come to my mind, the Love game engine, DoomRL, Legend of Cosmo, Minetest, some music player
02:23 lamefun AJAX = Asynchronous JavaScript and XML
02:23 VanessaE how many people use python?  or bash? or PHP? or batch scripting?  or a thousand other interpreted languages?
02:23 lamefun A lot
02:24 lamefun Just that most people are OK with their performance, so there are no JIT for bash and PHP. There is JIT for Python I think, but still most people use the standard interpreter.
02:24 kaeza lamefun, you are proposing everyone switchs to JS (minetest or not)
02:24 kaeza +e
02:24 Exio i have an idea
02:25 Exio let lamefun code everything
02:25 Exio and post real benchmarks
02:25 kaeza ^
02:25 Exio see you in 10 years lamefun
02:26 lamefun kaeza: no
02:26 kaeza lamefun, Ruby is (was) also sort of the "new thing", and it's complete utter shit
02:26 lamefun but we (minetest) need an interpreted language and need it to be fast
02:26 Exio luajit is fast enough
02:26 kaeza lamefun, a language is a language
02:26 Exio if the function is really heavy
02:26 Exio you port it to C++ and you get in the engine
02:26 kaeza the interpreter is another story
02:27 Exio and it gets "even more faster" than your v8-tests
02:27 VanessaE it's up to the interpreter or compiler as to whether a given language is fast or not.
02:27 Exio as i said
02:27 VanessaE end of story.
02:27 Exio ignore lamefun until he ports minetest to v8 or js or whatever
02:33 lamefun There's a lot of interest (the whole of the Web 3.0, Qt 5, GNOME 3) in fast JavaScript. Is there the same interest in fast Lua? I'm just afraid that LuaJIT may just die, as it's a one-man project.
02:34 Exio do you have any argument, i only see "one-man one-man one-man" like implying most of the stuff we are using wasn't started by one or two (bored) guys saying "eh, this may work!"
02:35 kaeza lamefun, your silly marketing campaing for JS is just pissing everyone in here
02:35 kaeza provide facts as Exio said, STFU, or GTFO
02:36 Exio JS is cool as language, but lua fits better here
02:36 Exio the things for what they were made
02:38 VanessaE plus if LuaJIT dies, who says we can't just go back to using Lua?
02:38 kaeza offtopic: I want this shirt http://ifunny.mobi/#JkGHtA9J
02:39 lamefun VanessaE: we may have mods that rely on its performance
02:40 VanessaE lamefun: then blame those modders for releasing slow code.
02:40 Exio [23:26:51] <Exio> if the function is really heavy
02:40 Exio [23:26:58] <Exio> you port it to C++ and you get in the engine
02:40 VanessaE or blame whoever the devs are at the time for not incorporating enough C++ hooks to avoid the need for the slow code.
02:40 VanessaE exactly.
02:40 VanessaE what he said.
02:40 VanessaE and indeed, that should be done ANYway
02:40 Exio coding a whole IA in any language like lua, js or whatever
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02:41 Exio will be slow versus the C++ integrated in core version
02:41 VanessaE whether we use LuaJIT, plain Lua, or some magical 100x-faster-than-JIT compiler.
02:41 VanessaE if it's a CPU-heavy task, it belongs in C++
02:41 VanessaE (or another language that is meant to be compiled)
02:43 kaeza compiled to native code*
02:43 VanessaE yes
02:43 VanessaE as opposed to being tokenized into p-code.
02:43 Exio compiled to bytecode*, like python or java :3
02:44 tripod pwned
02:44 VanessaE you wouldn't use BASIC to decode a jpeg file byte by byte, so don't use Lua to do huge CPU-intensive mapping tasks.  delegate those tasks to where they are best suited.
02:44 VanessaE (the irony of that statement is the python mapper that comes with the engine ;-) )
02:44 kaeza VanessaE, FreeBasic :3
02:45 VanessaE kaeza: blassic of GTFO :)
02:45 VanessaE or*
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02:46 kaeza1 fak
02:50 tripod he is googling his next arguement
02:51 Exio he is asking to M$*
02:54 kaeza ^ lol
02:55 tripod finding a valid arguement with m$
02:55 tripod pretty bad now they are forcing everyone to use metro on win8
02:55 tripod ugh
02:55 tripod if i had my way anyone on welfare would need to use linux in order to get the benefit :P
02:56 tripod boom right there linux is the highest user OS :P
02:56 lamefun There's really no more arguments... If the Shiny New World is coming, the games like Minecraft are going to be banned, because they promote thought crime, to be replaced with new games, the games for PEOPLE, the locked games, linear and immutable.
02:56 tripod hahah
02:56 tripod lol
02:56 tripod you are something different
02:57 NekoGloop What games for people...
02:57 NekoGloop The games for people are the ones who let "people" change them to how they see fit.
02:57 VanessaE never gonna happen, lamefun.
02:59 VanessaE capitalism, which is what big corps worship the most, is not compatible with the socialist ideal of "the people".
02:59 VanessaE so they will never be the ones to bring about a truly "open" world.
02:59 kaeza I want a moment of your attention to just say DNFTT
02:59 VanessaE not without one hell of a financial incentive.
03:06 * ShadowNinja reads about LuaJIT ffi  cool, even faster
03:06 tripod DNFTT?
03:07 tripod did not finish tracking telepathy
03:07 kaeza do not feed the trolls. I kist did feed one and I welcome to my /ignore list
03:07 kaeza just*
03:08 kaeza wait
03:08 kaeza lol
03:08 * kaeza needs to pay more attention to who is speaking
03:08 tripod yeah
03:08 kaeza anyway, I welcome lamefun to my /ignore list
03:08 tripod nah this new shiny world sounds good
03:09 tripod because when i hear shiny
03:09 tripod i think of firefly
03:09 tripod when i think of firefly
03:09 tripod i think awesome
03:09 kaeza I think of Pokemon
03:09 kaeza :P
03:09 lamefun hm
03:09 NekoGloop I think of shiny.
03:09 Exio good night, now
03:10 kaeza nite EXio
03:10 lamefun inconvenient truth is always a hate magnet
03:10 lamefun anyway
03:10 VanessaE truth as you see it.
03:10 lamefun I want programmable computers mod
03:10 tripod if he really had an issue
03:10 VanessaE your arguments are all based on speculation, assumptions, and subjective ideals.
03:10 tripod just fork minetest
03:10 tripod and stfu
03:10 tripod simple
03:10 VanessaE +1
03:10 tripod if you dont like it leave :P
03:11 kaeza ^
03:11 Exio thanks tripod
03:11 Exio now i don't like you </3
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03:11 Exio [the real reason of why i'm leaving to sleep!]
03:11 tripod that's cool
03:11 tripod i loved you man
03:11 tripod i fucking loved you
03:11 Exio xD
03:11 Exio bye
03:11 tripod :P
03:13 kaeza </3 C:\>
03:13 kaeza :P
03:13 * kaeza is bored
03:14 kaeza aaaaaaaand SPAM http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77738#p77738
03:14 kaeza VanessaE, ^
03:14 lamefun they're based on completely obvious inconvenient truth that everyone just prefers to ignore (complex computer science degree requiring one-man projects that aren't much used can easily die, JavaScript is a language that has JIT interperters that can be relied long-term)
03:14 lamefun Anyway, my real problem is that Minetest needs a way to easily distribute mods that require high performance, what do you propose instead of JavaScript?
03:14 jojoa1997|Tablet I clicked the link hehehe
03:14 jojoa1997|Tablet Lua
03:14 sokomine ah. saw that as well. not entirely sure if it's spam or just someone suggesting building plans for building sheds in mt :-)
03:14 VanessaE kaeza: dealt.
03:15 kaeza thx :)
03:15 VanessaE lamefun: C++.
03:15 VanessaE now GTFO.
03:15 jojoa1997|Tablet did ypu click the link
03:15 jojoa1997|Tablet it was spam
03:16 sokomine mods that require high perfomance? hm. most mods either do fine or don't use much performance
03:16 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, one does not simply click links in stupid posts like these
03:16 sokomine no, i didn't click on the link
03:16 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: deleted right away.
03:16 jojoa1997|Tablet Kaeza I bored so I clicked it
03:17 kaeza so I should post a link to citricnotorangeparty.com?
03:18 jojoa1997|Tablet Sokamine try having me second tech,more tress,mobf,both NPCs,simple mobs,and about 20 other mods with 10 of them being land editors
03:18 kaeza would you click that one right away?
03:18 jojoa1997|Tablet Me?
03:18 kaeza yes
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03:19 jojoa1997|Tablet It doesn't go anywhere
03:19 jojoa1997|Tablet I usually click irc links
03:19 jojoa1997|Tablet Even when looking at logs
03:19 jojoa1997|Tablet WARNING can create cinfisuion
03:20 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, Common Senseâ„¢ 2013 Antivirus helps a lot
03:20 jojoa1997|Tablet Kaeza
03:20 jojoa1997|Tablet Why would I click a link that you pm me
03:21 kaeza then do not click it
03:21 sokomine jojoa: yes, there are a few that need every bit of performance they can get, especially mobf. don't know about simple mobs. they're too much on the hostile side for me to be intresting. moretrees seems to do rather fine in newer builds
03:21 kaeza in fact, I recommend you DO NOT CLICK IT
03:21 jojoa1997|Tablet Shall I post it here
03:22 jojoa1997|Tablet And jabber some one else tell me what it is?
03:22 kaeza do as you want, but I did not post it here for a reason :)
03:22 jojoa1997|Tablet OK I definitely ain't clicking it
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03:26 ShadowNinja want performance? use LuaJIT, it has ffi(C code in lua). </salespitch>
03:27 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I think that's more intended for hooking into existing C++ functions, not so much writing code in C
03:27 kaeza that feeling when somebody respons to your random question in a random forum six months later
03:27 kaeza +d
03:28 VanessaE plus it's already been kinda decided (at least by c55) that ffi should be disabled.
03:28 VanessaE security risk.
03:29 ShadowNinja yea, too bad, will that just be with the security enhancements enabled?
03:29 jojoa1997|Tablet What is ffi?
03:30 VanessaE ShadowNinja: dunno
03:30 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: a way for Lua to interface to C++ without requiring C++ hooks
03:30 jojoa1997|Tablet :O
03:30 ShadowNinja I read C, is it C++?
03:31 VanessaE probably whatever language Lua is being interfaced to.
03:31 VanessaE C++ in our case.
03:32 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#p9rd9yol YES.
03:32 hmmmm http://ompldr.org/vaHVlZg
03:32 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#iOsY1m8J
03:33 kaeza hmmmm, wut
03:33 VanessaE heh
03:33 hmmmm if mese were spawned in air instead of stone, this is what the world would look like
03:33 hmmmm that's how common mese actually is.  food for thought.
03:33 VanessaE eek
03:33 VanessaE I knew it was somewhat common but damn
03:33 NekoGloop And that's just the mese blocks. What about the ore?
03:33 VanessaE perhaps that should be...toned down a little
03:33 hmmmm ore, way more.
03:34 sokomine ah yes, luajit sounds intresting
03:34 hmmmm vanessae, but that's only because you see it
03:34 VanessaE sure of course, but I'm thinking of the long-distance density too
03:34 VanessaE mese blocks are supposed to be really rare
03:34 kaeza hmmmm, actually no; I can get 2 stacks of mese in like 10 mins
03:35 hmmmm celeron was really right about how things in 3d are way more rare than they seem
03:35 kaeza so maybe a little bit more rare
03:35 hmmmm especially when inside of stone, you need this sort of frequency
03:36 sokomine don't make them too rare. it still takes time to get your first mese in a new world
03:36 sokomine yes, right. you don't see what's outside of your immediate digging area
03:36 VanessaE sokomine: I mean mese blocks
03:36 hmmmm so now when people say a server is depleted of resources, you know they're full of shit!
03:36 VanessaE they should be no more than 1/9 as common as mese in stone
03:37 VanessaE hmmmm: I know, right?
03:37 hmmmm yep
03:37 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#3GU4PUxa
03:37 VanessaE 100% WIN!
03:38 sokomine hmmm: it's not mese we run out of. it's papyrus on redcrabs server. and long ways/destruction of landscape for clay/sand
03:38 NekoGloop VanessaE, http://ifunny.mobi/#p9rd9yol
03:38 VanessaE saw it..  erkk
03:38 sokomine the papyrus problem has been saved iirc. and sand got a bit better thanks to the new sandstone receipes
03:39 VanessaE admittedly I've seen that issue re: sand.. it does tend to run out fast in some places
03:39 NekoGloop VanessaE, thoughts?
03:40 sokomine well, at least for sand and clay, that's where my traders are for
03:40 VanessaE NekoGloop: I like the sword, the gun is errr...  ring is interesting, pokeballs are meh, the thing below those (portal gun?) is interesting, the amber-colored balls I don't recognize, the elder wand I'm not familiar with (not into harry potter)
03:40 jojoa1997|Tablet Nekogloop I like the poke balls
03:40 * jojoa1997|Tablet steals the poke balls and uses master ball on nekogloop
03:41 NekoGloop yep, portal gun. and the amber pieces of shit are from Dragonball Z, which is apparently still a thing.
03:41 * NekoGloop YOU CANNOT STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S POKEMON TRAWLAWLAWLAWL
03:41 VanessaE I didn't realize dbz was still going on
03:42 NekoGloop Either DBZ or the early Yugioh anime.
03:42 NekoGloop I think they both had similar things like that.
03:43 VanessaE last time I watched that was about the time they introduced Cell.
03:43 VanessaE so that's...shit, 15 years ago? :)
03:43 jojoa1997|Tablet Bedtime cya
03:43 VanessaE night
03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet Vanessae get some sleep it is late for you
03:44 VanessaE it's only a quarter of 12
03:44 NekoGloop only 11:40
03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet If you woke up before eight
03:44 VanessaE early for me :_)
03:44 VanessaE :)
03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet Ok
03:44 VanessaE hah!
03:44 VanessaE I got up at 1pm or something
03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet I wake up at 5
03:44 NekoGloop http://mtgcardsmith.com/ this is cool
03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet Cya
03:45 jojoa1997|Tablet Nekogloop make tool and block carda
03:53 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#OSBCTrYh
03:54 VanessaE hard hack!
03:54 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#TvStIInj
04:01 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#1zlsXcms
04:01 VanessaE :'(
04:05 khonkhortisan There was a very similar story in the news that involved flower delivery
04:06 NekoGloop Ah, i saw that.
04:07 NekoGloop Reminds me of when i go to play the game. The ingame mother has so much shit she sends you xD
04:12 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#lcXFTRKh
04:12 VanessaE aw damn, he left.
04:12 ecube o.o
04:14 hmmmm http://ompldr.org/vaHVlcA
04:14 hmmmm ore distribution using 3d perlin noise
04:14 hmmmm now you can define where it's concentrated
04:15 VanessaE nice
04:15 hmmmm you can have an "iron rich" area of the map or "tin deficient" area
04:17 VanessaE very nie
04:17 VanessaE nice
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04:33 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#DKq3xhGr
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04:43 ShadowNinja http://ifunny.mobi/#hmREiYSr ikr
05:04 VanessaE bbl
05:17 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77750#p77750 > "when I first saw the game, I was dumbfounded by the inventory screen; I only understood it when I played with my brother for the first time and he explained that the cube of 9 squares was used to "craft" things (from the appearance, I had assumed that it was mere inventory space)"
05:17 kaeza I think MT needs at least labels for the "inventory" and "crafting table"
05:19 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#j9tfnrLq
05:19 VanessaE point him to that
05:19 VanessaE :D
05:19 VanessaE :trollface:
05:19 kaeza leave that wine bottle RIGHT NOW!
05:19 kaeza :D
05:20 kaeza :trollface:
05:20 kaeza also, srsly, WTF http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5215
05:21 * kaeza goes back to texturing
05:21 VanessaE make some new objects for homedecor ;-)
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05:23 kaeza VanessaE, +1
05:23 kaeza where's Jordach's list when you need it?
05:24 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=59327#p59327
05:24 VanessaE right there :)
05:24 VanessaE (not that most of it is actually useful though; sorry Jordach)
05:24 kaeza dishwashers and washing makines would be nice... if we had something to wash :D
05:24 kaeza -k+ch
05:25 kaeza every time I look at that list I'm like "HORY SHET!!"
05:25 VanessaE lol
05:28 VanessaE ok, time for bed.
05:28 VanessaE night
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05:36 kaeza nite
05:36 NekoGloop ...hi
05:36 kaeza hai Neko
05:36 kaeza is it possible to have nodeboxes extend > 0.5 or < -0.5
05:36 kaeza ?
05:38 NekoGloop yes
05:39 kaeza then something is fuxed up in my code :(
05:41 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_O2DK2HDPg This is... beautiful
05:42 kaeza cool! I just noticed a way to do one-way doors ^_^
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05:44 kaeza weird bug if you can call that
05:45 kaeza if you make a 0-width nodebox, you can go thru it one way but not the other
05:54 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on kaeza's head because he looks like he could use one
05:55 kaeza * the kitten goes thru kaeza's head because of the fucked up collision system
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05:59 * NekoGloop puts a lot on so that they stack and one is on top of his head
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06:30 ShadowNinja kaeza: signs from home decor only check protection if you are placing a sign on the floor
06:30 ShadowNinja so placing on posts and walls works
06:30 kaeza huh?
06:30 kaeza haven't tested it with any protection yet
06:31 ShadowNinja well the code only checks for wdir==1
06:33 ShadowNinja it also has some indentation issues, and it is indented with spaces
06:34 ShadowNinja looks like it was designed with a tab width of 4
06:34 kaeza fixed it
06:35 kaeza fixing indentation now
06:36 kaeza well actually... does copying lines 148-151 to before 155 fix the problem?
06:36 kaeza s/155/138/
06:37 ShadowNinja it should, but you could even move it just below the else
06:39 ShadowNinja I think we need a minetest.canInteract(pos, name) that would just return true normally and would be overriden by protection mods
06:39 kaeza that would actually be a good idea
06:41 kaeza but can't something like that be done with minetest.register_on_placenode?
06:41 ShadowNinja I have a rewriten node_ownership mod that could use this
06:41 kaeza ...I guess not
06:42 ShadowNinja well yes, but what if you want to check if an area is owned for placing the top half of a refrigerator for example
06:43 ShadowNinja and it is done by overriding item_place_node
06:47 kaeza BTW, I think I fell in love with this guy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77755#p77755
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07:20 celeron55 "isn't something that needs advanced computer science degrees"
07:20 celeron55 lol
07:20 celeron55 nothing needs advanced computer science degrees
07:21 celeron55 you always just need some basic math and a desire to hack around; the rest will come out from that
07:23 celeron55 and time
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07:27 Jordach i leave my pc on overnight and im pinged like fuck
07:32 kaeza Jordach, PING
07:32 kaeza </troll>
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08:32 Jscherro hey
08:36 Jscherro everyone sleeping? :(
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08:48 Jscherro how do i choose and define a spawn
08:49 ironzorg why would you do that
08:49 ironzorg maybe it's saved somewhere in the metadata
08:49 Jscherro i need it because some times i spawn in the air and other places and take fall damage
08:50 Jscherro would want to build a spawning area on my serve
08:52 Jscherro can i see my location with some keypress ingame?
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09:04 kaeza static_spawn = (X, Y, Z) in minetest.conf
09:05 kaeza Jscherro, ^
09:06 kaeza also, F5 shows your pos in-game
09:11 Jscherro i did find out and put it in
09:11 Jscherro but people still spawn weird places
09:12 Jscherro try join it
09:12 Jscherro its in the server browser.. the powernoob serve
09:16 Jscherro any good mods to add monsters?
09:16 Jscherro any good rpg mods in general?
09:16 Jscherro maybe classes or abilities
09:22 kaeza Jscherro, for monsters, try MOBF or Simple Mobs
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09:22 kaeza IDK about RPG mods, but if you find one please share :)
09:23 kaeza actually, there's the specialties mod somewhere
09:23 Jscherro hehe
09:23 Jscherro k
09:23 Jscherro ill look for mobf and simple mobs
09:25 kaeza hmm... I think my next project will be getting some mods and adapt (or write my own outright) to add more RPG elements to MT
09:25 Jscherro mobf = mob framework?
09:25 kaeza yep
09:25 Jscherro k but is it mobs out of the box or do i need to work for it?
09:25 Jscherro im no modder
09:25 kaeza (a.k.a. Animal Modpack)
09:26 Jscherro but would like to be
09:26 Jscherro i just want some mobs in the world.. especially at night
09:26 kaeza hmm... IDK if MOBF works out of the nox in already generated worlds
09:26 kaeza but if you create a new one it will work
09:26 Jscherro ok
09:26 Jscherro i could do that
09:27 kaeza s/nox/box/
09:27 Jscherro hehe
09:27 Jscherro what happens if all animals are keeeled
09:27 kaeza they just respawn :)
09:27 Jscherro ok
09:27 Jscherro ill make a new world ten
09:27 Jscherro then
09:29 Jscherro if i put mods in the mods folder all worlds will use it right
09:29 Jscherro if i put it in the worldmods in the world folder only that one world will
09:29 kaeza to avoid being unclear, MOBF does work on already generated worlds, but already generated parts of the world will not have monsters due to the way it is written (?)
09:29 kaeza yes
09:30 kaeza better put it in worlds/yourworld/game/mods/ if you don't want them to appar on other worlds
09:30 kaeza +e
09:30 Jscherro lua error
09:30 Jscherro on animals modpack
09:31 Jscherro i see lots of errors when itry to add mods
09:31 kaeza can you pastebin the output in debug.txt?
09:31 Jscherro ye
09:32 Jscherro -------------
09:32 Jscherro Separator
09:32 Jscherro -------------
09:32 Jscherro Automatically selecting world at [C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\worlds\world]
09:32 Jscherro 10:31:50: ERROR[main]: mod "moretrees-master" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "plants_lib"
09:32 Jscherro 10:31:50: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "animals_modpack-2.0.4": modname does not follow naming conventions: Only chararacters [a-z0-9_] are allowed.
09:32 Jscherro 10:31:50: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack-2.0.5\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua
09:32 Jscherro 10:31:50: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack-2.0.5\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua
09:32 Jscherro In thread 824:
09:32 Jscherro ..\..\src\minetest-0.4.5\src\main.cpp:1802: main: Assertion '0' failed.
09:32 Jscherro Debug stacks:
09:32 Jscherro DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD 824:
09:32 Jscherro #0  main
09:32 Jscherro (Leftover data: #1  Dedicated server branch)
09:33 Jscherro getting a cup of coffee
09:33 kaeza in the future, try using a site like pastebin.com
09:33 kaeza but..
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09:34 kaeza regarding mobf, try renaming it to just 'animals_modpack'
09:35 Jscherro ok
09:35 kaeza also, rename moretrees-master to just 'moretrees', and install plantlife mod
09:35 kaeza (to solve unsatisfied dependency on plants_lib)
09:37 Jscherro vanessas plantlife?
09:37 kaeza yep
09:37 Jscherro k
09:38 Jscherro Automatically selecting world at [C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\worlds\world]
09:38 Jscherro [Plantlife Library] Loaded
09:38 Jscherro [Poison Ivy] Loaded.
09:38 Jscherro [Junglegrass] Loaded.
09:38 Jscherro [Flowers] Loaded.
09:38 Jscherro [Moretrees] Loaded (2013-02-11)
09:38 Jscherro 10:38:21: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "animals_modpack-2.0.4": modname does not follow naming conventions: Only chararacters [a-z0-9_] are allowed.
09:38 Jscherro 10:38:21: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua
09:38 Jscherro 10:38:21: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua
09:38 Jscherro In thread ae8:
09:38 Jscherro ..\..\src\minetest-0.4.5\src\main.cpp:1802: main: Assertion '0' failed.
09:38 Jscherro Debug stacks:
09:38 Jscherro DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD ae8:
09:38 Jscherro #0  main
09:38 Jscherro why it still called -2.0.4 i removed that
09:39 Jscherro sec
09:39 kaeza ...use pastebin.com :)
09:39 kaeza someone will yell at you if you paste that much text here
09:39 Jscherro rofl sry yea didnt know what paastebin was
09:40 kaeza np
09:43 Jscherro will it work if i just copy the rars into the folder
09:44 Jscherro not extracting them
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09:45 kaeza nope
09:45 kaeza lemme see
09:45 kaeza hm..
09:46 Jscherro i removed what you said from the names
09:47 Jscherro but theres a subfolder in the animals mod that also is named -2.0.4
09:47 kaeza let's see... find the folder that has a 'modpack.txt' file in it
09:48 kaeza it should be animals_modpack-2.0.4
09:50 kaeza wait
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09:50 jscherro2 sry got discoed
09:50 kaeza why is init.lua in animal_modpack-2.0.4??
09:51 jscherro2 its not
09:51 jscherro2 there isnt ont
09:51 jscherro2 one*
09:51 kaeza no I misread that part sorry
09:51 kaeza find the folder that has a 'modpack.txt' file in it
09:52 jscherro2 its in the main folder
09:52 kaeza move that folder to mods/
09:52 jscherro2 animals_modpack folder
09:52 jscherro2 it is
09:53 jscherro2 ahh sry
09:53 kaeza O.o
09:53 jscherro2 yea one folder back.. moving it
09:53 jscherro2 they are all in the mods/minetest folder
09:53 kaeza so you have mods/minetest/animal_modpack/modpack.txt
09:54 kaeza (and all the other folders)
09:54 jscherro2 yes
09:54 kaeza does it run now?
09:55 jscherro2 i moved it now and the pilzadam mobs folder and it seems to run now
09:55 jscherro2 so basically some mods need to be in the root mods folder not the minetest folder
09:55 kaeza nope
09:55 jscherro2 k
09:55 kaeza all mods must be in mods/minetest/
09:56 jscherro2 hmm k
09:58 kaeza one note: never use WinRAR/WinZip's option to "Extract mods to own folder" or such with MT mods
09:58 kaeza they are (almost always) ready to be extracted directly into your mods/minetest/ folder
09:58 jscherro2 ok
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10:04 jscherro2 thank you so much kaeza you helped alot
10:04 kaeza np; anytime :)
10:05 kaeza did it work ok this time?
10:05 jscherro2 yea
10:05 jscherro2 there are some desert men and some sheep in the game
10:05 jscherro2 and i see better trees too with fruits and stuff on em
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10:06 kaeza you should also try farming and farming
10:06 kaeza _plus
10:06 jscherro2 if you start to do a rpg mod.. would you consider taking me on the ride .. been playinig roleplaying all my life both pen and paper but ofcourse also various computer rpgs and mmos
10:07 kaeza also food to add banana trees (??)
10:07 kaeza I'm more of a jRPG fan, but sure
10:07 kaeza :)
10:07 jscherro2 :)
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10:14 jscherro2 what the
10:14 jscherro2 looked through all pages couldnt find farming plus
10:15 kaeza https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming_plus/zipball/master
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10:17 jscherro2 tnx marte
10:17 jscherro2 mate
10:18 kaeza np. I also can't find it in the forums
10:18 kaeza I found it here http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/viewmod.php?id=39
10:19 jscherro2 awww man
10:19 jscherro2 http://pastebin.com/rw2kZRq5
10:21 jscherro2 i got the plants mod also .. said that farming was depending on that
10:21 jscherro2 or nature
10:21 jscherro2 cant rememeber the name
10:21 kaeza ugh >.<
10:22 kaeza maybe VanessaE updated plants_lib and broke farming (?)
10:22 jscherro2 ah
10:23 kaeza PilzAdam will have to update though
10:23 jscherro2 k
10:23 kaeza let me check locally
10:23 jscherro2 k
10:27 kaeza wait... it seems that is not the same farming mod I have here
10:27 jscherro2 ok
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10:29 kaeza where did you doenload farming from?
10:29 kaeza -e+w
10:29 jscherro2 mmm from the forums
10:29 jscherro2 i THINK
10:29 kaeza there are like 3 farming mods
10:29 jscherro2 ...
10:29 jscherro2 k
10:30 jscherro2 let me delete farming folder and keep the others and farming plus
10:30 jscherro2 its a mod with plowing ect
10:30 kaeza try this one instead: https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming/zipball/master
10:31 jscherro2 k
10:31 jscherro2 i need a neko nature mod i think
10:32 jscherro2 wait i got that..
10:32 jscherro2 but it luas
10:33 kaeza neko nature has some weird bugs; dunno if the guy keeps updating it
10:34 jscherro2 http://pastebin.com/9CkTSdsn
10:34 kaeza It's a shame cause it was a good pack
10:34 jscherro2 should i remove neko and the farming mods
10:34 jscherro2 btw do you guys play and build alot or just play around modding :)
10:35 kaeza rename to 'farming' and 'farming_plus' respectively
10:35 jscherro2 roger
10:35 kaeza I play and mod :)
10:36 kaeza if you like survival gameplay, my I suggest this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4738
10:36 jscherro2 looks fun
10:39 jscherro2 ahh ye that works
10:39 jscherro2 now tho i have lots of unknown blocks.. pink ones
10:39 jscherro2 you know if more trees have any dependencies i may have deleted
10:40 kaeza look at moretrees/depends.txt
10:40 kaeza see if you have all the mods listed in that file
10:40 jscherro2 says plant lib
10:40 kaeza plants_lib is part of plantlife
10:41 jscherro2 ahh
10:41 jscherro2 ofcourse
10:43 jscherro2 goodness tnx
10:43 jscherro2 lets start working on the MTRPG mod
10:43 jscherro2 i cant code but i can find resources.. do research ect
10:46 kaeza not right now I'm afraid
10:46 jscherro2 ;D
10:46 kaeza but feel free to give any suggestions on what to add etc
10:47 kaeza I'm currently working on updating my computer mod, survival_modpack, and adding some i18n support to the engine
10:47 jscherro2 well for one.. just 4 classes or so with possible more to come.. 1 key attribute for each to enhance skills/abilities. more monsters.. more items. more dungeons. some sort of lvling system based on how much you do a certain thing.. forexample more hits with your sword on a monster increases your melee damage
10:48 jscherro2 x amount of skillups with main skill or ability for your class grants you a lvl up with bonus hp/mana/endurance
10:49 kaeza most of that isn't possible ATM
10:49 jscherro2 k
10:49 jscherro2 was afraid so :P
10:50 kaeza hmm... actually, I haven't tested if the inventory size can be changed
10:53 jscherro2 i do think i saw some mods who altered inventory
10:53 jscherro2 should be possible
10:55 kaeza anyway, I think I'm off to bed for now (7:54 AM already)
10:55 kaeza night/morning all
10:55 jscherro2 sleep well
10:55 jscherro2 cya later mate
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10:58 jscherro2 amg
10:58 jscherro2 pilz
10:59 jscherro2 in the survival mod.. you know how i make food? im starving i think.. i take damage some times
11:06 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:07 jscherro2 sup pilz
11:07 PilzAdam *Adam
11:08 jscherro2 sup Adam
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11:53 jscherro2 hmmm my server crashes randomly
11:53 jscherro2 after some time
11:54 jscherro2 it just dies
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11:59 jscherro2 http://pastebin.com/Z1XU9WMu
11:59 jscherro2 anyone get that???
11:59 jscherro2 after those 3 leftover data the server crashes
12:00 PilzAdam its a bug in the survival_hunger mod
12:00 jscherro2 oh
12:00 PilzAdam post line 6 in the forum thread for it
12:00 PilzAdam the mod developer should know the rest
12:01 jscherro2 k
12:02 kaeza aww shit
12:03 kaeza lemme fix that one
12:03 kaeza anyway can't sleep
12:17 kaeza jscherro2, fixed, please re-download
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12:19 kaeza hai LAD
12:20 LAD hi
12:20 LAD ...
12:21 LAD im here to ask if any four people would like to join my "The Walls" PvP game coming soon i just need four more :)
12:22 kaeza I have already posted in the topic :)
12:22 LAD ok 3 more than
12:22 PilzAdam are hacked clients allowed?
12:33 LAD kaeza
12:33 LAD oops
12:33 LAD and no if i find you with a hacked client i'll ban you :)
12:39 jscherro2 aw man
12:39 LAD i only need 2 more people to join any one ???
12:40 jscherro2 cant have protection blocks without creative mode? :(
12:40 jscherro2 i hate that creative mode
12:40 jscherro2 people should start with nothing but their hands then work their way up to tools
12:41 kaeza upi aren't using minimal game are you?
12:41 kaeza you*
12:41 jscherro2 no i dont think so
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12:42 jscherro2 whats that
12:42 kaeza when you select a world does it say [minimal] or [minetest]?
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13:16 jojoa1997|Tablet I have an annoucwment
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13:34 hmmmm hi
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13:39 john_minetest Hey sparky!
13:39 STHGOM hi!
13:39 STHGOM *sparky the happy girrafe of minetest
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14:06 VanessaE good morning
14:19 STHGOM good morning!
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14:21 STHGOM welcome!
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14:25 kaeza morning V
14:25 VanessaE hey
14:26 STHGOM WELCOME EVERYONE!
14:26 STHGOM UN-WELCOME EVERYONE!
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14:26 kaeza been tweaking a few items for homedecor, but came across nasty bugs in collision detection
14:26 VanessaE so I saw
14:27 kaeza it seems a too thin nodebox is not taken into account from some directions
14:28 VanessaE you sure you have sorted the nodebox coordinates?
14:29 VanessaE that's the only time I've seen that happen
14:30 kaeza hmm... I guess so. I'll pastebin the nodeboxes.
14:31 kaeza is the only requirement that pos1.x < pos2.x, etc?
14:31 VanessaE all three coords
14:31 VanessaE x1 < x2, y1 < y2, z1 < z2
14:32 kaeza seems like so http://pastebin.com/eEP1giBr
14:33 VanessaE looks okay to me
14:35 kaeza tried making the boxes thicker, but the bug is still there
14:36 kaeza maybe something related to nodeboxes > 1.0 in size?
14:36 VanessaE odd..  maybe so?
14:36 VanessaE what are you making anyway>
14:37 kaeza a desk
14:37 VanessaE ah
14:37 VanessaE bear in mind that nodeboxes > 1 full node will automatically tile the textures
14:37 VanessaE and the tiling doesn't work in the horizontal direction
14:37 kaeza hmm
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14:38 kaeza maybe I should split it into two nodes then
14:38 kaeza hai Neko
14:38 VanessaE yeah
14:42 thexyz and this is damn wrong too
14:42 VanessaE which is?
14:42 thexyz > 1 full node
14:43 thexyz well, if it's slightly more than 1 full node, then nothing is wrong
14:43 VanessaE is it wrong if the engine allows it, or wrong when the engine doesn't handle it properly (e.g. tiling textures cleanly, or stretching them)
14:43 kaeza err... doesn't default door use nodeboxes > 1?
14:43 thexyz no
14:44 thexyz it's against the boxelness, i think
14:44 kaeza nvm... will do single node things for now and work on multinode things later
14:46 thexyz you'll have to manually handle all nodes which can be placed inside your "second" node
14:47 thexyz then your code gets cluttered with dirty hacks
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14:47 VanessaE there's a very simple solution:  Make sure your selection box covers the whole node.
14:48 VanessaE then the engine will think you're selecting the lower node and will place objects relative to that.
14:48 thexyz that's another hack, not a solution
14:48 thexyz you still can place blocks inside
14:48 VanessaE sure, fi you can *get* inside the extra-large node
14:48 RealBadAngel theres no limit for nodeboxes size
14:48 VanessaE if*
14:48 thexyz or place a fence and then click its side
14:48 thexyz should work too
14:48 RealBadAngel just remember textures will be tiled for actual node size
14:49 RealBadAngel but you can make nodebox 10 times bigger that node
14:49 kaeza yeah... I've seen your "stairs" lol
14:50 thexyz though that's discouraged
14:50 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/XlaJbXk.jpg
14:51 kaeza about a "trash can"... full node or a bit smaller?
14:51 NekoGloop Best stair node ever
14:51 RealBadAngel i just wait for some1 made aeroplane, train or ship
14:52 RealBadAngel it is possible to do so
14:52 thexyz why did all those people get so butthurted about non-renewable lava?
14:52 RealBadAngel node is not the limit
14:53 RealBadAngel hehe dunno
14:53 tripod Hey guys
14:53 tripod just saying, love you all
14:53 RealBadAngel as some1 noticed dirt is more rare than lava
14:54 NekoGloop Because it was something that made minetest different than minecraft.
14:54 PilzAdam oh, so we want a bad game as long as it differs from minecraft?
14:55 NekoGloop How the fuck does renewable lava make it a bad game.
14:55 PilzAdam it makes things too easy
14:55 PilzAdam wich is boding
14:55 PilzAdam *boring
14:55 NekoGloop What the hell is it making easy.
14:56 RealBadAngel game shall force players to wander, dig and look for solutions
14:56 kaeza ^
14:56 PilzAdam if you get endless lava when you find 2 sources, then its easy
14:56 RealBadAngel puting 2 sources to get infinite is just braindead
14:56 kaeza Actually, meh
14:56 kaeza I have also non-renewable water in my copy
14:57 NekoGloop game shall force players to be bored while searching for the millionth lava.
14:57 kaeza ...which paired with finite liquids make interesting results
14:57 RealBadAngel no
14:57 RealBadAngel game shall be life like
14:57 VanessaE I'm waiting for screenshots showing non-renewable water that doesn't look like shit and won't kill server performance before I switch to that
14:58 NekoGloop So the game will be boring and make players want to commit suicide?
14:59 RealBadAngel what make games boring is the easiness gettin everything
14:59 RealBadAngel when youre forced to work to get something its different
15:00 RealBadAngel i know what im talkin abour
15:00 tripod yeah
15:00 RealBadAngel ive killed diablo playin in my students hostel with a trainer
15:00 tripod games withoyt learning curve = shit.
15:00 RealBadAngel in 2 weeks it was dead
15:00 NekoGloop ...
15:00 PilzAdam thats the problem with letting everyone decide what should be in minetest_game; most people arent game developers and dont know what should be in a good game
15:01 tripod gamers should know what they want in a game :P
15:01 tripod i'd like to think so
15:01 VanessaE the problem with that theory, PilzAdam, is that you need regular USERS too.
15:01 RealBadAngel they dont know
15:01 VanessaE people who can tell you what they want to play
15:01 NekoGloop Pilz, you're just becoming a tyrant now.
15:01 PilzAdam tripod, they dont, look at all the cheaters out there
15:01 RealBadAngel human is a weird being
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15:02 RealBadAngel game shall be hard and tough
15:02 NekoGloop "Game shall be impossible" -RealBadAngel in 2 months
15:02 NekoGloop "My game. Mine." -Pilz in 2 months.
15:02 RealBadAngel lol
15:02 NekoGloop "Whatever." -c55 in 2 months
15:03 VanessaE "This shit needs a total rewrite" -hmmmm in 2 months.
15:03 RealBadAngel "Meow." NekoGloop in 2 months.
15:03 VanessaE (except hmmmm will probably be right :D )
15:03 NekoGloop Hey, if hmmmm takes over minetest, I'd play it more.
15:04 RealBadAngel it already happened
15:04 hmmmm >imblygin that didn't already happen
15:04 NekoGloop Hah, no
15:04 NekoGloop Pilz is currently the one in-control of the game.
15:04 VanessaE eha?
15:04 VanessaE wha
15:04 VanessaE *looks at hmmmm*
15:04 NekoGloop hmmmm is merely playing with the engine.
15:04 hmmmm maybe the lua game
15:05 hmmmm he's definitely in charge of minetest_game because that's a minefield
15:05 hmmmm too many opinions and whatever
15:05 kaeza1 well...look at what a single line change caused lol
15:05 hmmmm don't want to deal with it :)
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15:05 NekoGloop So you put the heartless bastard without a care in the world about the community in charge of minetest_game?
15:05 VanessaE hmmmm:  chickenshit ;)
15:05 VanessaE NekoGloop: no, c55 did. :)
15:06 hmmmm ha ha, i also don't like lua and whatever
15:06 hmmmm the core development suits me better because it's more fun
15:06 NekoGloop Here's a thing: Make selection boxes work
15:06 hmmmm vanessae, what if there was an ore type that did this http://ompldr.org/vaHVpeg
15:06 NekoGloop (intersecting ones don't look like shit)
15:06 hmmmm would you go for that?
15:07 VanessaE hmmmm: Not sure I would but I guarantee you RealBadAngel would!
15:07 NekoGloop clouds/marble/granite
15:07 VanessaE status code
15:07 hmmmm i know ;;
15:07 hmmmm stratus rather
15:07 hmmmm he said that's not the way it's supposed to look
15:07 VanessaE er stratus
15:07 Exio hahaha
15:07 VanessaE still
15:07 Exio [12:03:18] <@VanessaE> "This shit needs a total rewrite" -hmmmm in 2 months.
15:07 VanessaE put that underground and make it thin and you've got a winner
15:08 hmmmm oh - yeah - i have it at height = 7
15:08 kaeza1 PilzAdam, suggestion: make minetest.register_node use selection_box = node_box for those nodes that don't explicitly give a selectionbox (and are of "nodebox" drawtype)
15:08 hmmmm which was the default for something
15:08 RealBadAngel https://www.google.pl/search?q=minetest+stratus&amp;hl=pl&amp;safe=off&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=isch&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=s3NMUZenA4nXPZO5gbAB&amp;ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&amp;biw=1349&amp;bih=600#imgrc=ObA8q-erFNn3aM%3A%3BNJJTCeFvANmHLM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F1.bp.blogspot.com%252F-Nrg-RATVguI%252FUEKEDAUecxI%252FAAAAAAAAAF4%252F37E3TYd7MKA%252Fs1600%252FDSC_0453.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fforum.minetest.net%252Fviewtopic.php%253Fid%253D3213%3B1600%3B1071
15:08 Exio wtf
15:08 hmmmm jeezus
15:08 kaeza1 wut
15:08 Exio RealBadAngel: real link, please
15:08 VanessaE hmmmm: use this code to implement my idea of hard iron at the base of the map + lava/magma just above :-)
15:08 NekoGloop Can you please stop copying the link out of google.
15:08 PilzAdam BAN!
15:08 VanessaE (or not)
15:08 NekoGloop PilzAdam, stop being a tyrant.
15:08 RealBadAngel ooops
15:09 RealBadAngel http://explorock.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/10_estratigrafc3ada-tc3adpica-de-la-formacion-pamplona.jpg
15:09 VanessaE http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG
15:09 hmmmm well, you can do that yourself
15:09 VanessaE the real link ^^^^^^
15:09 hmmmm by calling register_ore
15:09 mauvebic why do selection boxes not highlight at certain angles?
15:09 VanessaE mauvebic: known bug
15:09 RealBadAngel http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG
15:09 VanessaE RealBadAngel: ninja'd
15:09 hmmmm RealBadAngel, so it's just supposed to be a layer like that?
15:09 NekoGloop Actually he ninja'd you.
15:09 VanessaE [03-22 11:10] <VanessaE> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG
15:09 VanessaE [03-22 11:10] <RealBadAngel> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG
15:09 VanessaE :-)
15:09 hmmmm the problem was that it's too thick?
15:09 NekoGloop that's your end
15:10 VanessaE hmmmm: in your example yeah, but that's nothing from nothing.
15:10 VanessaE oh
15:10 NekoGloop :-)
15:10 VanessaE reading comprehension FAIL
15:10 VanessaE "_
15:10 VanessaE :)
15:11 kaeza1 how about we add Mako to the center of the earth?
15:11 VanessaE Mako?
15:11 kaeza1 :P
15:11 NekoGloop FF7 reference ftw
15:11 kaeza1 ^ not firefox
15:12 hmmmm you know, honestly
15:12 VanessaE who still uses firefox 7? ;)
15:12 hmmmm i can do a way better job
15:12 VanessaE hmmmm: hm?
15:12 hmmmm i'm going to do my own "stratus" code and i'll show you guys the result
15:12 kaeza1 hmmmmite
15:12 NekoGloop Add a cloud layer! Make the clouds be momentum-absorbing!
15:13 NekoGloop (i.e. the cushions from jumping mod)
15:13 mauvebic kaeza : started coroutine spawn of dominion battleship last night, still going strong this morning
15:13 RealBadAngel hmmm Just Do Ir (tm)
15:13 RealBadAngel *it
15:13 hmmmm i don't mean to insult the guy who originally wrote the stratus ore code, but it's horrid
15:14 hmmmm and the result isn't spectacular either
15:14 kaeza1 mauvebic, small price to pay for srver responsiveness I think
15:14 kaeza1 +e
15:14 mauvebic im not complaining lol so far there dont seem to be any "holes" (im guessing ittl be 100% first spawn)
15:14 kaeza1 I didn't think it would be used on such many nodes
15:15 hmmmm i'm going to get a blob shape by perlin noise, then and then randomize the y height and starting pos slightly
15:15 mauvebic such many nodes?
15:15 kaeza1 mauvebic, isn't your ship like 2.5 km lon?
15:15 kaeza1 +g
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15:15 mauvebic the dom. battleship is 1.245 km long :P (the limit of binvox until i fix it)
15:16 mauvebic but thats where coroutines come in handy: adding billions of nodes lol
15:16 mauvebic if the grid was full you'd have 1 929 781 125 nodes
15:17 Traxie21 Is calinou on?
15:17 kaeza1 well... you can tweak it to make more than one "line" each pass at the cost of less server responsiveness
15:17 mauvebic well at first i did yield() after x number of add nodes
15:17 mauvebic but that slowed down the server where there were alot of empty spaces (cuz loop still iterates)
15:18 mauvebic so i set it yield() to happen after n number of iterations (500)
15:18 mauvebic i could prolly get away with 1000
15:18 kaeza1 then just make it skip air nodes if that can be done
15:18 kaeza1 and only yield every 500 actual set nodes
15:18 mauvebic w/ a binvox you cant skip air nodes, its 1D array representing 3d coordinates using the index, so i have to count the empty ones regardless
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15:19 mauvebic if i dont count the air nodes, youll end up with a neat pile of bricks (much like Mr. Fawlty's garden wall)
15:20 mauvebic 'when i asked you to build me a garden wall i thought rather than just dumping the bricks in a pile you might have found time to cement them together in the traditional fashion?" :p
15:21 mauvebic problem with yielding only on add nodes is the array can go several thousand iterations of air
15:24 mauvebic coroutines would prolly do a world of good for mobs too *hint* lol
15:25 kaeza1 hmm...
15:25 VanessaE hmmmm: what's the story with finding a way to force-regeneration of unspoiled map areas?  are we any closer to being able to do that?
15:25 kaeza1 skipping nodes is way faster than replacing, so you may for example use 2000 nodes or so when skipping air
15:25 hmmmm deleting that block?
15:26 hmmmm it's trivial if you know how to use the sqlite3 tool
15:26 VanessaE that's the problem :-)
15:26 VanessaE I don't know shit from shinola about that
15:26 kaeza1 but use only like 500 for real replacements
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15:26 hmmmm yea.. well
15:27 mauvebic sucks that you cant use the sqlquery browser on sqlite lol
15:29 VanessaE what's needed is a visualization tool, something like minetestmapper, but that renders everything found in colors.txt in grayscale, with some sort of colored highlight to show built-up areas.  let the user select areas to be deleted, with a quick selection for those not-built-up areas.
15:29 mauvebic well weather or not the spawn routine adds a node its the # of iterations that lockup the server, the value is high enough if you didn't know what was happenning you'd think it was an infinity loop
15:30 mauvebic simpler solution might be something like /unset chunk p1,p2
15:30 mauvebic dont really need a GUI when you have multiple mapping choices
15:31 hmmmm well
15:31 VanessaE mauvebic: the problem is being able to mentally map sections to numbers
15:31 VanessaE which very few people could do
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15:31 hmmmm i'll add it in i guess
15:31 kaeza2 mauvebic: if you know the file size beforehand, you may show the player a progress indicator every say 5%
15:31 mauvebic what about pilzadam? his maps seems to have lines/numbers
15:31 hmmmm along with some other things like force-reset emerge queue
15:31 mauvebic progress indicator is in yes :-) index/tablesize
15:31 mauvebic i make no predictions on time, but you at least know how much % is done
15:31 VanessaE his maps don't indicate record numbers in sqlite, just coordinates.
15:32 PilzAdam mauvebic, hm?
15:32 mauvebic yeah but they could be tweaked to
15:32 mauvebic PilzAdam how did you get those lines/numbers on your map?
15:32 VanessaE minetestmapper.py --drawscale
15:32 PilzAdam ^
15:32 mauvebic ah shit
15:32 mauvebic lol
15:33 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/VanessaE_World_Map.png
15:33 VanessaE same thing on my map, mauvebic
15:33 mauvebic i thought that param meant "draw TO scale" lol
15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet guys
15:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, although I have used the c++ mapper
15:33 mauvebic i prefer the C++ mapper
15:33 mauvebic it takes 10 minutes on my map
15:33 VanessaE PilzAdam: as do I.  ^^^ that image was generated thusly.
15:33 mauvebic imagine the python one lol
15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet what would you think about having obsidian tanks where you can store water and lava
15:33 PilzAdam but it cuts the map off at 700
15:33 PilzAdam Exio,
15:34 mauvebic okay, so alls we gotta do is tweak the mapper to show sqlite indexes for the appropriate chunks
15:34 VanessaE --geometry -5000:-5000+10000+10000
15:34 mauvebic 700? i compiled a version that maps 10K in every direction
15:34 VanessaE that's the param I used to get such a large map.
15:34 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, point?
15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet so people can have multiple lava nodes but
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15:35 jojoa1997|Tablet they wont have to place them
15:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: you have to make sure the map isn't being written do when you run the mapper, that's what causes it to get cut off.
15:35 VanessaE s/the map isn't/the world isn't/
15:35 PilzAdam yea, I did that
15:36 mauvebic what i should do is write a tweak to misc_register and have register_node generate a colors.txt automat.
15:37 Traxie21 Any win32 compiled minetest for the latest git?
15:37 PilzAdam I could do a build now
15:37 Traxie21 please, or instructions on how with MingGW
15:37 Traxie21 gtg, bbl
15:40 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam could you start a minetest_survival on github
15:40 PilzAdam no
15:42 Exio PilzAdam: hehe :P
15:43 Exio minetest_game will NOT have every mod what is in the forum
15:43 Exio here!
15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet nononono
15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam i mean like how common was added
15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet it isnt another mod i mean another gamemode
15:44 PilzAdam Exio's statement was to the obsidian tanks
15:44 jojoa1997|Tablet oh
15:44 jojoa1997|Tablet i am making a mmod
15:45 jojoa1997|Tablet i dont want tanks in default
15:45 jojoa1997|Tablet it will be very hacky and underdeveloped(my first mod with formspecs)
15:46 NekoGloop Aren't the rest of your mods hacky?
15:46 VanessaE name one of anyones' mods that isn't :)
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet no
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15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet NekoGloop display-blocks, megatools
15:47 PilzAdam VanessaE, farming
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet they arent hacky
15:48 NekoGloop VanessaE, moreblocks
15:48 VanessaE homedecor ;)
15:49 NekoGloop actually...
15:49 NekoGloop You don't use sounds properly STILL if I'm not misaken
15:49 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, i want screwdriver for upcoming 6d Facedir
15:49 VanessaE NekoGloop: kaeza fixed some of that
15:49 NekoGloop And you don't have the tabletops being olid
15:49 VanessaE most things now use wood sounds I think
15:49 NekoGloop solid*
15:49 NekoGloop That doesn't mean they're correct ;)
15:50 kaeza VanessaE, homedecor not hacky? LOL
15:50 RealBadAngel is wishlist closed already? ;()
15:50 jojoa1997|Tablet npc aint hacky
15:50 VanessaE kaeza: not as hacky as plants_lib :D
15:50 jojoa1997|Tablet or what is about it
15:50 NekoGloop RealBadAngel, no, pilz is just a tyrant and nothing can be added to his precious minetest_game
15:52 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, that is very true. You shall work together with some1 with different attitude. I recommend VanessaE for creating a team responsible for minetest_game
15:52 kaeza ^
15:53 PilzAdam I actually ask VanessaE about every addition already
15:53 jojoa1997|Tablet ^+1234567890
15:53 jojoa1997|Tablet well she should be able to push then
15:53 VanessaE yeah and then I shoot down most of his ideas but he does them anyway ;-)
15:53 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: no.
15:53 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, just work together
15:53 VanessaE I do not want access to the repos.
15:53 jojoa1997|Tablet gtg lunch is over
15:53 jojoa1997|Tablet why?
15:54 RealBadAngel VanessaE, you shall be granted
15:54 kaeza VanessaE, chickenshit ;)
15:54 kaeza :trollface:
15:54 VanessaE kaeza: yes? your point being......?
15:54 VanessaE ;)
15:54 RealBadAngel yeah
15:54 jojoa1997|Tablet bawk bawk bawk
15:54 RealBadAngel chicken?
15:54 NekoGloop chicken is a nice way of saying coward.
15:55 NekoGloop (or mean, dependent on the context)
15:55 * RealBadAngel can see some chickens aroud
15:55 kaeza yes, they are there ----------------------------------------->
15:55 NekoGloop loluserlistischickenlist
15:56 RealBadAngel imho PilzAdam and VanessaE, will make perfect maintainers pair for minetest_game
15:56 NekoGloop imo me and VanessaE would. fck pilz. :)
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15:56 RealBadAngel theyre both workin on extremes
15:57 kaeza NekoGloop, you'll prolly turn everything into cats
15:57 RealBadAngel if they meet in middle, it will be perfect
15:57 NekoGloop kaeza, problem?
15:58 kaeza none at all sir/ma'am
15:58 mauvebic i thinnk i like C55s'' idea to leave the current game alone and expand on a copy of it
15:58 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, youre out, youre to unpredicteable
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15:58 RealBadAngel *too
15:58 mauvebic before you end up with a game that just 10-20% of users keep for a,b,c reasons lol
15:59 mauvebic call the new one moretest or mine+ lol
15:59 kaeza mauvebic, in the current scheme, only 5% of users have the game as-is
15:59 NekoGloop I just sit here in the chat room
15:59 NekoGloop I don't even play minetest, you all are just making it shit :)
16:00 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, yeah yeah. who yoy would like to lie? :P
16:00 NekoGloop What is this grammar i don't even
16:00 RealBadAngel youre addicted.
16:00 mauvebic well i haven't played minetest_game in a year lol
16:01 kaeza anyway, I starved in game
16:01 NekoGloop addicted to...?
16:01 kaeza and it didn't crash! \o/
16:01 mauvebic anyone who's been here long enough got bored with it a long time ago
16:01 RealBadAngel mt
16:01 mauvebic if anything minetest_Game is for the benefit of newbies
16:01 NekoGloop lol, I've seriously not touched it for gameplay since... I got here.
16:02 RealBadAngel mauvebic, i suggest not pointin certain folks with finger
16:02 mauvebic lol what do you mean?
16:02 RealBadAngel otherwise you can stick finger into your own eye
16:02 mauvebic i still dont understand the original statement lol
16:03 RealBadAngel are you bored?
16:03 NekoGloop Don't point the blame at someone
16:03 mauvebic what are both of you talking about?
16:03 RealBadAngel too many statements at the same time lol
16:04 mauvebic something about pointing fingers, fingers in eye, but i dont get it lol
16:04 * john_minetest puts a bunch of octokittens on NekoGloop's head
16:04 mauvebic *im* talking about minetest_game being for newbies lol
16:05 NekoGloop yay i have github-kittenz
16:05 RealBadAngel not just _game
16:05 RealBadAngel mt needs installer
16:05 NekoGloop And it needs an autoupdater
16:06 RealBadAngel yes
16:06 PilzAdam and it needs a faster mapgen, better lighting, weather, per player physics...
16:06 RealBadAngel lately i convinced my friends family to play mt
16:06 RealBadAngel they do now
16:07 PilzAdam support for JS mods, entitiy collision...
16:07 RealBadAngel but i had to install it for them
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16:09 mauvebic JS mods?
16:09 mauvebic good heavens
16:09 VanessaE G*d no.
16:10 VanessaE that's the last thing MT needs is js crap
16:10 mauvebic cant we fix the bugs with the current engine/api first before throwing in another language?
16:10 RealBadAngel ok, im off definitely.have to. cya later
16:10 VanessaE if you want to add another language, add a way to write mods in C++.
16:10 VanessaE cia, RBA
16:10 VanessaE ciao*
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16:12 mauvebic nodebox flicker, nodebox selection boxes, accidental node replacement, these have been with us for a while now :p
16:12 mauvebic and JS wont enable me to hack around those :p
16:13 Jordach VanessaE, my towers been running for a day now :3
16:14 VanessaE cool
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16:16 ironzorg VanessaE | if you want to add another language, add a way to write mods in C++. // this has been heavily argued about in the past, I don't think this is ever going to happen
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16:16 VanessaE ironzorg: oh, probably not.
16:16 ironzorg in the past meaning just before lua mods were added
16:16 VanessaE but that's the only legit reason to add a new language.
16:17 VanessaE now that we have Lua I mean
16:17 Traxie21 Is Calinou on?
16:17 mauvebic well with c++ mods, technically you wouldn't be adding a language? youd be using the underlying api calls/functions/wtv?
16:17 PilzAdam Traxie21, win build done
16:17 Traxie21 Just downloaded :3
16:18 Traxie21 Ironically, idk why I use xyz's builds, My graphics card dosnt support directx at all
16:18 VanessaE too bad you don't run debian on amd64.  you could use my builds :)
16:18 Traxie21 heh
16:18 Traxie21 I should really get a decent usb drive and install something else on it
16:18 Traxie21 I'm sick of Windows
16:19 Traxie21 EDIT: I should really get a decent job, and get a computer with something else on it.
16:19 VanessaE get almost anything debian-based and you can't go wrong
16:19 PilzAdam Kubuntu ftw
16:20 Traxie21 Oh God
16:20 Traxie21 Adam, we need a new Pull Request
16:20 Traxie21 *feature
16:20 Traxie21 Better resolution support
16:20 Traxie21 I have no idea what Ngleplayr is
16:21 mauvebic KDE :/
16:21 Traxie21 or Cli En t
16:21 Traxie21 or MINETESTMI
16:21 PilzAdam Traxie21, dunno what causes this in my win builds, its fine in Linux though
16:21 Traxie21 is
16:22 Traxie21 Seems to be my resolution, or texture/driver problems
16:22 PilzAdam btw: I can add you to the Minitest repo if you want to
16:22 Traxie21 I must say, Adam, you are good at a lot of things, but textures is not one of them
16:23 Traxie21 :3
16:23 PilzAdam :-)
16:23 thexyz Traxie21: because mine are the most awesomest ones?
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16:23 Traxie21 thexyz: Because I clicked that link first? </creatureofhabit>
16:23 VanessaE I thought we were getting rid of those words along the left side anyway
16:23 Traxie21 Yeah, they're a waste of space
16:24 VanessaE Traxie21: my 16px HDX should be the default texture pack :)
16:24 Traxie21 No please
16:24 mauvebic i made some halfway decent 32p textures for default :p
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16:25 PilzAdam Traxie21, added you to MIniTest, just dont break anything
16:25 Traxie21 I wont
16:25 Traxie21 I actually already updated most of the mods on the local game
16:25 PilzAdam add yourself to README.txt as a dev if you want to
16:25 Traxie21 The bows seem really unreliable though...
16:26 Traxie21 Only after I do something :P
16:26 Traxie21 someone who works in C++, idea: allow toggling of collision box drawing on entities.
16:26 mauvebic ? physical = false
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16:27 Jordach VanessaE, your TP becoming default; YEAH RIGHT
16:27 VanessaE I was kidding
16:27 mauvebic can you set_yaw on the box? (for rectangular shaped entities like box cars,etc.)
16:27 Jordach i could shit a pack much better than that
16:27 Traxie21 Mauv
16:27 thexyz Jordach: do that.
16:27 PilzAdam oh, about HDX: KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!
16:27 Traxie21 nope
16:27 kaeza what's wrong with HDX?
16:27 PilzAdam it looks horrible
16:27 kaeza it's preeteh
16:28 Jordach you know what, we should have Gambit's PixelBOX as default
16:28 mauvebic its kinda grainy on my screens
16:28 mauvebic 25" LED and 25" ACl
16:28 Traxie21 VanessaE: Homedecor is awesome, but needs better corner shingles
16:29 kaeza 14'' CRT and they look fine
16:29 mauvebic on a CRT yeah
16:29 Jordach I have a identical screensize to VanessaE
16:29 VanessaE Traxie21: ask hmmmm or c55 or darkrose or thexyz to code an appropriate draw type.
16:29 mauvebic flat screens can light up half a floor lol
16:29 VanessaE or use a metric assload of nodeboxes to fake it
16:29 Traxie21 you need about 4-8 nodeboxes
16:29 PilzAdam Traxie21, about MiniTest: the plan is to include default from common and override stuff in mod called "minitest"
16:30 thexyz what drawtype?
16:30 mauvebic where are the common mods stored?
16:30 PilzAdam games/common
16:30 markveidemanis Hi
16:30 mauvebic easy enough to play w/
16:31 Traxie21 ok
16:31 mauvebic im just not all that hot on fire/buckets (griefing mostly_)
16:31 Traxie21 I need to get up-to-speed on how to use common
16:31 mauvebic the same way you play with any other mod folder
16:31 VanessaE Traxie21: it wouldn't work with the smooth 45° slope of the roofs.  you'd need to use a shitload of really small nodeboxes and fake it.
16:31 mauvebic 4/8 nodeboxes
16:32 mauvebic unless people arrive from the rooftop they wont notice more detail than that
16:32 Traxie21 hmm
16:32 mauvebic you dont wanna see my chain nodebox lol
16:32 Traxie21 PilzAdam: So basically anything from comon will be loaded into all other games?
16:32 mauvebic unless you delete the mods yeah
16:33 PilzAdam Traxie21, not everything and not into every game
16:33 mauvebic or tweak them to register seperate privs for them
16:33 PilzAdam but they are used by many games so there is no need to copy them all the time
16:33 mauvebic copy and end up with varying versions of default
16:33 mauvebic in diff games
16:34 ShadowNinja Traxie21: you don't have to copy the same mod over to a game, now you add common_mods=bucket,default,whatever to game.conf
16:34 Traxie21 ok
16:34 Traxie21 MiniTest is intended to clone MC as best as possible riht?
16:34 PilzAdam yep
16:34 PilzAdam do you play MC?
16:34 Traxie21 Yep
16:35 PilzAdam good
16:35 PilzAdam (I dont)
16:35 Traxie21 Or, I did, but my fav server closed
16:36 mauvebic i think my server beats their star trek server for sheer # and size of ships lol
16:37 Traxie21 VanessaE, your HDX pack is great, just not my type
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16:38 Traxie21 PilzAdam: Time for some retexturing
16:38 rubenwardy hi all
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16:39 VanessaE hey rubenwardy
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16:41 rubenwardy Menche here?
16:41 rubenwardy no.
16:41 kaeza1 okay shit. everyone complains that minetest has not good survival gameplay that it has no real dangers, yet no one gives a fuck about survival_modpack
16:42 kaeza1 hai ruben
16:43 VanessaE kaeza1: I don't complain :-)
16:43 Traxie21 Erm
16:43 Traxie21 Urm
16:44 Traxie21 uhh
16:44 LAD does any one want to volintere for the 2013 "The Walls" PvP match??
16:44 LAD i only need 2 ?
16:44 markveidemanis How can i talk to OldCoder?
16:44 LAD mark one sec
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16:44 VanessaE markveidemanis: try just talking to him?
16:44 markveidemanis Hes not here
16:44 LAD OldCoder is not online at the moment
16:45 LAD but if you go to #OldCoder he is sually there
16:45 VanessaE so wait till he shows up.
16:45 LAD i mean #oldcoder
16:45 LAD mark do you want to join The walls PvP game?
16:46 Traxie21 LAD, how soon does it start?
16:46 LAD Traxie im counting on some time next week
16:46 kaeza might as well reserve it for my local server
16:46 kaeza it makes a great pair with mobf
16:46 LAD because Joajoa1997 is going to vacation  the week after next weeek
16:46 rubenwardy hi kaeza
16:47 Traxie21 I warned you Xd
16:47 LAD lol yea but it actuly went by pretty fast.. faster than ithoguth
16:47 LAD it's only been maby what a weeek and a bit and i only need 2 more people
16:48 kaeza rubenwardy, are you still working on your "Minetest Extensions" site?
16:48 rubenwardy yes
16:48 rubenwardy I have not committed my changes for a while
16:48 kaeza may I suggest a few changes?
16:48 rubenwardy of course
16:48 markveidemanis LAD, sure, when is it on
16:49 kaeza ah, then maybe what I have to say was already done, but add at least a "Like" label to the "like" button; it's a bit confusing since it's right under "Download"
16:50 kaeza looks like an actual download button
16:50 Traxie21 PilzAdam: MiniTest using the common files causes the textures to be like normal MT
16:50 LAD im hopeing sometime next week Mark
16:50 rubenwardy Yeah,  I was planning to do that.
16:51 rubenwardy I just need a good like button icon
16:51 PilzAdam Traxie21, have you created a mod named "MIniTest" wich depends on default and has all the textures?
16:51 PilzAdam *minitest
16:51 Traxie21 O_o
16:51 Traxie21 Nope
16:51 Traxie21 games/minitest
16:51 LAD markveidemanis i was planing some time enxt week
16:51 rubenwardy I want to have a thumbs up to the left in a box, with space for number of likes
16:53 LAD markveidemanis what team yellow or green
16:53 kaeza sounds reasonable
16:53 markveidemanis green
16:55 Traxie21 PilzAdam, I think I get what you're saying
16:58 markveidemanis I remember as a child waiting for santa to come
16:58 markveidemanis then there was the awkward silence as he got dressed and left...
16:58 markveidemanis LOL
16:59 Traxie21 Ok, it works now
16:59 kaeza O.o
17:00 markveidemanis i dont expect anyone here to get that
17:00 Traxie21 I got it O_o
17:00 markveidemanis funny joke?
17:00 Traxie21 inappropriate more like it
17:00 markveidemanis lol the kids these days
17:00 markveidemanis Im 12 HAHAHAHAH
17:01 Traxie21 I'm 21 :3
17:02 markveidemanis wanna hear an even ruder one or a nicer one
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17:02 NekoGloop I'm 88
17:02 markveidemanis I'm 69
17:03 markveidemanis I keep getting confused about Homophobia and Claustrophobia. What is the one anout being in a closet?
17:03 ironzorg is this an edick contest ?
17:04 rubenwardy markveidemanis: lol
17:04 markveidemanis go to http://paste.pound-python.org/show/31520/ for jokes
17:06 kaeza interesting stuff https://bitbucket.org/celeron55/minetest/src
17:07 kaeza wonder if it will even compile
17:08 kaeza actually, maybe
17:09 ironzorg kaeza: feeling nostalgic ?
17:10 ShadowNinja VanessaE: how do you make backups on your server, just cp?
17:10 kaeza ironzorg, I still play 0.2 sometimes
17:10 kaeza interesting terrain ^_^
17:12 PilzAdam kaeza, play NMPR
17:12 PilzAdam its not bloated
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17:13 mauvebic NMPR?
17:13 Dante123 hi all
17:13 mauvebic fps?
17:13 PilzAdam http://dev.minetest.net/Core_Architecture
17:13 Dante123 21 kids were able to login to the server today and it worked fairly well
17:14 PilzAdam Dante123, nice
17:14 Dante123 I have three or four questions.  How we get rid of water if it is flooding a village?
17:14 Dante123 Trying to find the source but not sure how the kids did that
17:14 PilzAdam you have to place a block in the sourceblock of the water
17:15 Dante123 I've had trouble finding the source
17:15 Dante123 to do that
17:15 mauvebic can also remove buckets/sources from the inventory
17:15 PilzAdam Dante123, just place dirt in all the water blocks, one of it has to be the source block
17:16 Dante123 Also, how do I give myself (using a different login at school than at home) admin privileges if I am at school and cant do it from home?  Or do I have to do it at home first, for the account I use at school
17:16 Traxie21 PilzAdam: Added textures for obsidian and dyes
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17:16 PilzAdam Dante123, go to world/your_world/auth.txt and give you the privs there
17:16 Traxie21 Working on your farming mod now
17:16 Dante123 okay, but I will have to do that from home......right now Im at school
17:16 PilzAdam Traxie21, Id like to see one commit per feature/fix
17:17 Dante123 can a simple water bucket be the source for a whole town flooding?
17:17 PilzAdam Dante123, or, if you have the "privs" privilege, you can use the /privs command to grant players the admin privs
17:18 PilzAdam yes, that is possible
17:18 Dante123 but I would have to be logged in from home to give those privileges.....and I cant right now because im at school.  Ok i will do that later today.
17:18 Traxie21 Pilz, tell me you dont mean per-texture...
17:18 Traxie21 *adam
17:18 PilzAdam no, not per texture
17:19 Traxie21 so, per-mod then?
17:19 PilzAdam but seperate commits for "Add farming", "Change textures" etc.
17:19 PilzAdam (just like the commits in the minetest repo)
17:19 Traxie21 since all I've done really is change textures, can I just commit all the texture changes?
17:19 PilzAdam yes
17:20 antruxit hello, i'm french so i apologize if i do mistakes :)
17:20 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I have a script I run that backs up all of my files via rsync, minetest stuff gets caught by it.
17:21 ShadowNinja ah, I just finish writing an rsync backup script
17:22 * ShadowNinja needs a good external hard drive
17:22 antruxit i'm new to minetest and i try to code a bit, could some one help me to change the behavior of fences?
17:23 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commits/fencelike
17:23 antruxit thanks :)
17:23 Traxie21 Zomg
17:24 Traxie21 Adam, if theres one thing minecraft totally owns you at, its textures. now pumpkins look like... pumpkins.
17:24 PilzAdam also better sounds would be nice
17:26 mauvebic does fire still use those sounds that sound like... well.. uhm.. skrillex? :p
17:26 Traxie21 Sounds later
17:27 ironzorg dubstep fire
17:27 ironzorg ↑ feature
17:28 mauvebic dunno if the grass still sounds like eggshells, i changed those a long time ago, aparently MC uses the ones from freesound.org
17:28 Traxie21 gtg, bbl
17:28 mauvebic which aint a good enuff reason not to use 'em :)
17:29 mauvebic weird, why is lighting even on nodes but not even on nodeboxes (slabs) ?
17:30 kaeza VanessaE, BTW, seen the problem ShadowNinja posted?
17:30 VanessaE ?
17:30 kaeza regarding protection in signs
17:30 VanessaE oh yeah, saw that
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17:30 VanessaE all you gotta do is call the homedecor_node_is_owned() function, if it returns nil, either you own the node or it is not owned at all.
17:30 VanessaE (I think)
17:31 VanessaE use that to decide whether to apply the action in questiokn
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17:31 VanessaE question*
17:31 kaeza I already fixed that
17:31 VanessaE oh ok
17:32 VanessaE odd, I didn't get a notification from github.
17:32 VanessaE (in email)
17:32 kaeza I'll see if I can SPAM a pull request for a three line change
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17:32 VanessaE "this pull request cannot be automatically merged"
17:32 VanessaE :(
17:32 kaeza wot
17:32 kaeza ah
17:32 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/pull/9
17:32 kaeza that's the old one
17:32 VanessaE shall I just close it?
17:33 kaeza yes please
17:33 VanessaE done
17:33 VanessaE go ahead and hit me with the new ones when you're ready
17:33 VanessaE unlike *some* people here, I don't mind too much ;-)
17:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, do never click the "merge" button in GitHuv
17:33 PilzAdam *GitHub
17:34 PilzAdam it creates a merge commit
17:34 VanessaE PilzAdam: I never have had a problem with it.
17:34 PilzAdam why does anyone need two commits for one feature?
17:34 VanessaE why does it matter?
17:34 VanessaE blame github.
17:36 mauvebic github is practically a lanaguage unto itself lol
17:36 kaeza ok
17:36 PilzAdam github is just a git repo hosting service
17:37 mauvebic and a PITA lol
17:37 VanessaE github could just as easily do a (as you would call it) proper commit as easily as it does a merge.
17:37 VanessaE when you control the server and the repository, you control what happens to it.
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17:38 mauvebic imo, anything who's intent is to make group programming easier but requires it's own learning curve is sortof a failure
17:39 PilzAdam git is a powerful tool
17:39 mauvebic not saying git is bad, the UI could benefit from an english version tho lol
17:40 mauvebic or the first people who implement an easy to understand interface will prolly take alot of githubs' pie
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17:45 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/3782919783
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18:13 mauvebic should make people happy : http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5217
18:14 PilzAdam no, it doesnt make people happy
18:14 PilzAdam they will still bitch around
18:14 NekoGloop No, it just makes pilz bitchy
18:14 mauvebic pull it and offer it with game and minimal
18:15 VanessaE bbl
18:17 mauvebic or replace minimal with it
18:17 PilzAdam no, minimal is in the engine repo and should stay there
18:18 mauvebic anyone play w/ it tho?
18:18 PilzAdam no, its for testing engine stuff
18:18 mauvebic allright than pull the other game as classic :p
18:18 mauvebic *then
18:19 mauvebic maybe then people will stop tha bitchin' lol
18:21 Traxie21 Adam
18:22 Traxie21 How would I arrange the pull requests?
18:22 Traxie21 I have the common system, added textures mod, and changed a crapton of textures... how do I revert each change per-request?
18:22 Traxie21 I have yet to set up a repo
18:24 PilzAdam you can push directly to my repo
18:25 Traxie21 I meant a local repo
18:26 jordan4ibanez I think you should ignore the people who are negative about the game and focus on what you would like to see in the game, along with the other developers
18:26 jordan4ibanez pilzadam *
18:27 PilzAdam I do
18:29 Traxie21 Adam, I'm commiting.
18:29 Traxie21 Can you tell me if I'm doing it right?
18:29 PilzAdam sure
18:29 Traxie21 pushing....
18:30 Traxie21 Done
18:30 Traxie21 https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest
18:30 PilzAdam add newlines to the end of files
18:30 Traxie21 hm?
18:31 Traxie21 I only modified game.conf, I should add newlines to that?
18:33 Traxie21 Added newlines to game.conf
18:34 rubenwardy new food mod promotional image: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/banner.png
18:35 PilzAdam Traxie21, why mintest.conf?
18:36 Traxie21 </failspelling>
18:36 Traxie21 Meant game.conf
18:36 Traxie21 one sec, updating mods
18:38 Traxie21 What does "add newlines to the end of files mean?"
18:38 PilzAdam just add a blank line at the bottom of each file
18:38 Traxie21 ok
18:38 Traxie21 Do you want me to do that on all of your files?
18:38 Traxie21 the only text I've modified is README.txt and game.conf
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18:39 PilzAdam you should also update the other mods from minetest_game
18:39 Traxie21 hm?
18:39 PilzAdam like creative
18:39 Traxie21 creative_inventory and such?
18:41 Traxie21 Alrighty, can you test the latest commit?
18:41 Traxie21 Its the same as my local game
18:42 PilzAdam better rename the textures mod into minitest
18:42 PilzAdam and add all the other stuff into its init.lua
18:43 PilzAdam (i.e. everything that needs to be overridden from default)
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18:44 PilzAdam for example replace mese with diamonds
18:45 Traxie21 Will do that in a bit, but I'm still updating mods. At 2, I need to go too.
18:45 mauvebic diamonds, gold, stuff that makes mining fun :-)
18:45 PilzAdam yea, all this goes to minitest mod
18:45 mauvebic and all the extra stone you could put into some sort of furnace to make lava
18:46 PilzAdam no, not that
18:46 Traxie21 How do I override mese with diamonds anyhow?
18:46 mauvebic what would you do with it all
18:46 PilzAdam minetest.register_node(":default:mese", {...})
18:46 rubenwardy Traxie21: you would have to delete the mese definition, and do an alias
18:46 PilzAdam do it for all the mese stuff
18:47 Traxie21 ok....
18:47 rubenwardy or just change it in default like pilzadam said
18:47 Traxie21 Oi, I don't have that much time XD
18:47 PilzAdam can you delete defintions?
18:47 rubenwardy delete the mese definition: if possibl
18:47 rubenwardy e
18:47 mauvebic yall wanna get rid of mese/blocks/shards/crystalS?
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18:47 PilzAdam Traxie21, you dont have to do everything in one day
18:47 Traxie21 Hmm
18:47 PilzAdam leave yourself some time
18:48 Traxie21 Mabye add a TODO section to Readme.txt
18:48 Traxie21 Else I will forget
18:48 PilzAdam no
18:48 PilzAdam write it somewere else in your docs
18:48 PilzAdam but not in the README
18:49 Traxie21 Mabye I should PM myself :3
18:49 rubenwardy my web server is too popular for the plan:
18:49 rubenwardy Warning:  mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Too many connections in /home/u372522788/public_html/...
18:50 rubenwardy (18:34:47) rubenwardy: new food mod promotional image: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/banner.png
18:50 rubenwardy just realised there is a cursor in there
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18:52 rubenwardy fixed :P
18:53 rubenwardy I am currently working on this: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/index.php?mode=search
19:01 STHGOM goodluck
19:02 Traxie21 diamonds aliased
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19:22 Jordach hai OldCoder
19:22 OldCoder Jordach, Hello
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19:38 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam ping
19:38 PilzAdam pong
19:38 jojoa1997|Tablet i suggest moving common somewhere else because it comes up as a game itself
19:39 jojoa1997|Tablet it is meant to be behind the scenes not a game
19:39 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, fix technic; it calls default.generate_ore wrong
19:39 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, you use an outdated version of the engine
19:39 jojoa1997|Tablet nope updated
19:39 PilzAdam common doesnt have a game.conf wich causes the latest engine to not handle it as a gem
19:39 jojoa1997|Tablet like 30 secs ago
19:39 PilzAdam *game
19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet the debug menu comes up as the old txture
19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet shoot
19:41 jojoa1997|Tablet games that depend on default show as missing dependencies
19:41 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, you are probably missing the chunk_size param, wich comes between chunks_per_volume and ores_per_chunk
19:41 Traxie21 Adam: Was I supposed to be comitting to the dev branch or the master?
19:41 PilzAdam dunno
19:41 Traxie21 I just noticed the dev branch now...
19:41 Traxie21 Sheet
19:42 PilzAdam you have to decide such things now :-)
19:42 Traxie21 Oh well, the changes I've made seem stable
19:42 Traxie21 Mese, Mese_Block, Mese_Crystals, and Mese_Crystal_Fragments now are converted to diamond equivelants
19:42 Traxie21 Posted changelog in topic.
19:42 jojoa1997|Tablet huh?
19:42 jojoa1997|Tablet why diamond
19:42 Traxie21 jojoa1997|Tablet: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2589
19:43 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam ou need to tell mods that default is in common
19:43 PilzAdam Traxie21, if you want me to add something to the topic then just tell me
19:43 Traxie21 Kape.
19:43 Traxie21 Screenshots?
19:43 jojoa1997|Tablet what there is no diamond?
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19:44 jojoa1997|Tablet also pilzadam
19:44 Traxie21 jojoa, its a game meant to copy minecraft as close as possible
19:44 jojoa1997|Tablet mods that depend on default NOW HAVE MISSING DEPENDENCIES
19:44 PilzAdam lemme check
19:45 jojoa1997|Tablet it is looking for default in minetest_game but default is in common
19:45 Traxie21 gtg, bbl
19:45 Traxie21 Cyas
19:46 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, yea, default is marked as missing in the configuration menu, but the mod loads correctly
19:46 PilzAdam so its only a "cosmetic" bug
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19:47 jojoa1997|Tablet oh could you chnage that?
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19:47 jordan4ibanez Important idea
19:47 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, posted on -dev
19:47 jordan4ibanez Instead of having nodes be animated, could nodes have an entity's mesh as the node box?
19:48 jordan4ibanez or an entity be parented to a node?
19:48 jordan4ibanez so that when the node is dug, the entity goes away client side
19:48 jordan4ibanez that will make making chests much easier, would be a very good addition to the api also
19:49 PilzAdam *only MC like chests
19:49 jordan4ibanez basically a section of the node def would be like "entityparent = entityname"
19:49 jordan4ibanez This would also be useful for making animated switches, buttons, wheels, doors that swing open
19:49 jordan4ibanez the list goes on and on
19:50 jordan4ibanez grass that swings back and forth, or leaves that sway in the "breeze"
19:50 sokomine how do i handle situations when a lua function doesn't exist yet? will a   if( not( player:set_look_yaw ))   work?
19:50 PilzAdam yes
19:50 PilzAdam and you dont need the brackets
19:50 PilzAdam ummm
19:50 sokomine no brackets? but brackets are important!
19:50 PilzAdam actually you have to use: if not player.set_look_yaw then
19:51 sokomine ok
19:51 PilzAdam (a . instead of a :)
19:51 sokomine thanks for the help
19:52 jordan4ibanez With an entity parented to a node we could also have lamps that swing back and forth
19:53 jordan4ibanez with the accompliss of particle spawning, we could even have torches that burn out over time
19:54 jordan4ibanez And I also made a cat trap and caught both my stupid cats lol
19:55 sokomine how was the cat trap constructed? :-)
19:55 NekoGloop It wasn't.
19:56 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/j16Xf7g.jpg
19:56 Jordach anyone got a decent server excluding redcrab's?
19:57 PilzAdam yep
19:59 jordan4ibanez Just a stick tied to a string with a clothes bin propped up lol.
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20:00 NekoGloop The cats merely allowed you the pleasure of thinking your trap worked
20:01 jordan4ibanez No, they're dumb, I couldn't trap them a second time
20:01 jordan4ibanez ....yet
20:02 * Calinou puts thermal paste on NekoGloop's head
20:02 Calinou man, you've got mayonnaise on your head :D
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20:02 jordan4ibanez An amd processor is just a bunch of intel ones glued together
20:37 Calinou red eclipseooooo! unrelated to minetest, but red eclipse 1.4 is out :D
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20:38 Kacey SPRING BREAK 2013!!!!!!!!
20:38 Kacey hi all
20:39 Exio wat Calinou
20:39 Exio i'll download it :D
20:48 ShadowNinja a line of desert sand just spawned in front of me...
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20:58 * Kacey kinda likes obsidian glass
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21:07 VanessaE finally
21:17 Kacey whatis the name for an admin shop?
21:19 VanessaE a root bar? :-)
21:20 Kacey ?
21:20 VanessaE nevermind, poor attempt at a pun
21:21 Kacey ok then
21:21 Kacey it is official thatyou have lost it
21:21 Jordach VanessaE, win
21:21 Jordach Calinou, NOOOO
21:21 Jordach FUCK
21:21 VanessaE Kacey: years ago.
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21:24 Kacey lol
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21:24 VanessaE Jordach: what did he do now?
21:24 redcrab Hi there :)
21:24 VanessaE hey redcrab!
21:24 VanessaE long time no see
21:25 redcrab yep .. life is life with its aleas
21:25 Jordach red eclipse updated
21:25 VanessaE yep
21:25 VanessaE Jordach: er...
21:25 Jordach VanessaE, i already have a install
21:26 VanessaE oh.
21:27 Jordach this feels like a open source mac http://elementaryos.org/
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21:27 redcrab I tried to compile a brand new minetest from git but a curious compilation error occurs ...
21:29 sfan5 what i have been doing in the past 3 hours: http://127.0.0.1:8888/compile
21:29 VanessaE redcrab: what error?
21:30 Jordach sfan5, wrong port
21:30 redcrab .... /util/serialize.h:32:32: error: ‘u64’ has not been declared
21:30 Jordach s/wrong port/ip
21:30 sfan5 fail
21:30 Jordach Chromium's connection attempt to 127.0.0.1 was rejected. The website may be down or your network may not be properly configured.
21:30 sfan5 * http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8888/compile
21:31 sokomine when compiling or when running the client?
21:31 sfan5 sokomine: running the client won't output such errors
21:31 sokomine might have remembered wrong then
21:31 redcrab then a series of errors of the same kind sayin that 'u64' has not been declared
21:32 Jordach sfan5, hello world breaks it
21:32 * Jordach builds a stupidly huge program with it
21:32 sfan5 Jordach: if you mean the first c++ one, you did it wrong
21:32 PilzAdam sfan5, can it compile minetest?
21:32 * sfan5 watches /tmp/m
21:33 sfan5 PilzAdam: no, but you could rewrite make to use my computer for compiling the object files :D
21:33 sfan5 s/make/the Makefile
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21:37 redcrab notice : few hours ago i compile it well on a 64 bit opensuse 12.2 ...; and now a 32 bits opensuse 11.4
21:38 redcrab from a fresh git pull few hours ago and now as well
21:40 PilzAdam have you googled that error?
21:42 redcrab yep .. but not obvious with current context
21:43 redcrab wich .h should declare this u64 ?
21:45 ShadowNinja redcrab: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/457
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21:46 ShadowNinja and I think that is in one of the irrlicht type headers
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21:47 ShadowNinja typedef uint64_t u64; in irrlichttypes.h
21:47 redcrab ShadowNinja : irrlich version header may be the hot point ... I have to check , thanks for the info
21:49 redcrab to compile the server only what is the -D stuff to place for cmake ?
21:49 PilzAdam DBUILD_CLIENT 0
21:49 Traxie21 ohi crabby!
21:49 Traxie21 Oops
21:49 redcrab thanks
21:49 Traxie21 Sorry, I didnt mean it that way XD
21:49 celeron55 -DBUILD_CLIENT=0
21:49 PilzAdam * -DBUILD_CLIENT=0
21:50 redcrab I've fixed it in my head ;p
21:54 PilzAdam bye
21:56 Kacey what is the name for jungle saplings?
21:58 VanessaE default:junglesapling I think
22:00 VanessaE brb
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22:10 redcrab the upgradze to irrlicht 1.8 fix the u64 issue
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22:18 Traxie21 Hmm
22:18 Traxie21 We need a decent armor mod.
22:19 VanessaE I thought we had one
22:19 VanessaE ?
22:19 sokomine redcrab: maybe the new version will fix the randomly dropped sand/gravel as well. that would be great
22:20 Deivan VanessaE, how I test if a node type exist?
22:20 Deivan Like "moreblocks:micro_wood_bottom"?
22:20 VanessaE Deivan: um...
22:20 VanessaE good question :-)
22:20 Deivan :-o
22:21 VanessaE *checks api*
22:21 Deivan Ok...
22:21 VanessaE minetest.registered_nodes[name]
22:21 VanessaE I guess if that ^^^^ returns nil, the node doesn't exist
22:21 VanessaE I presume name = full standard name for that node
22:22 Deivan This don't crash the script?
22:22 VanessaE put it in quotes though
22:22 VanessaE no, afaik this would cause crashes, that has been around for a while
22:22 VanessaE would NOT cause crashes!
22:22 Deivan Nice.
22:22 Deivan I will test it.  Thanks.
22:23 Deivan :)
22:23 Deivan AFK
22:23 VanessaE something like:  if minetest.registered_nodes["moreblocks:micro_wood_botton"] == nil then ...the node doesn't exist.... else ......the node exists .... end
22:23 VanessaE er, bottom*
22:23 Deivan About the moreblocks
22:23 redcrab upgrade to 0.4.5 done ... but I can't check it right now :(
22:23 VanessaE you get the idea.
22:23 Deivan I need test all moreblocks and all stairplus?
22:24 VanessaE EEK!
22:24 VanessaE redcrab: BZZT!  wrong-o
22:24 VanessaE unknown everything :-)
22:24 redcrab VanessaE ??? !!
22:24 Traxie21 What does max_level for tools do?
22:25 Deivan Well, I have many to code now.  :D
22:25 Deivan Cya.
22:25 Deivan AFK
22:25 VanessaE redcrab: unknown blocks all.  over.  the.  place.
22:25 * Traxie21 makes an unknown block mod
22:25 VanessaE and...2d player sprites???
22:25 redcrab ????
22:26 VanessaE *** server shutting down
22:26 berome redcrad, why don't try compile with 12,3  ?
22:27 sokomine redcrab: almost all mods are missing. even some default things
22:27 jojoa1997 what is get all craft recipes? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77888#p77888
22:27 VanessaE redcrab: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_2486575001.png
22:27 redcrab Ahhh ..
22:27 VanessaE (with my texture pack as usual)
22:27 sokomine still unknown blocks all around
22:27 berome not yet ? :-)
22:27 jojoa1997 redcrac
22:28 jojoa1997 it is all the moreore mods for me
22:28 jojoa1997 it seems every mod is gone and
22:28 sokomine still everything missing
22:29 jojoa1997 you might have made it go back some versions or you are using a texture pack
22:29 VanessaE redcrab: did you install https://github.com/minetest/common also?
22:29 VanessaE (put that in games/)
22:30 sokomine maybe the game has to be renamed? maybe it has a diffrent name in redcrabs world?
22:30 VanessaE ah, media loading now
22:30 VanessaE I think you may have gotten it this time
22:30 VanessaE ha!
22:30 VanessaE "client disconnected"
22:30 jojoa1997 loading
22:30 redcrab common ???
22:30 VanessaE <redcrab's server>  vanessa?  FUUUUU GTFO bitch! </redcrab's server>
22:30 jojoa1997 no unknown blocks
22:31 sokomine seems ok now
22:31 VanessaE redcrab: yeah, it contains default and a few others, it was split off from minetest_game a day or two ago
22:31 * sokomine grins
22:31 redcrab I ve just revert to 0.4.4
22:31 VanessaE redcrab: no, don't do that
22:31 VanessaE 0.4.4 is outdated now
22:32 redcrab my à.4.5 temptative has failed ... until i solve the issue ... I stay on 0.4.4
22:32 VanessaE redcrab: you have to put common into games alongside minetest_game now,
22:32 VanessaE and all must be up-to-date
22:33 STHGOM bye
22:33 VanessaE wow, your server's got a bit of lag these days hasn't it?
22:34 VanessaE I see my old mansion still stands :D
22:34 jojoa1997 show me
22:34 VanessaE I'm in the top floor thereof now, jojo
22:35 sokomine redcrab: possibly there's a further problem. people report griefs which look like mapgen.....or their houses built in the last days/weeks forgotten
22:35 * Kacey wishes Menche would install circular saw mod
22:36 sokomine redcrab: what was desert last time i saw (a few hours ago) seems now grassland - with buildings partly destroyed
22:40 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaHVvYw/screenshot_294424045.png my house is coming along nicely ^_^
22:44 jojoa1997 anyone know of a good survival server that is using the dev version(the one that uses common)
22:59 sokomine hmm. at least one city on redcrabs server has been hit severely by mapgen bug :-( maybe due to the experiments?
23:00 VanessaE how badly? and what city was it?
23:01 Kacey is assassin city still on the server?
23:02 Kacey what is the port?
23:03 VanessaE redcrab's?  30401.  assassin city? dunno
23:03 Kacey im getting on to check
23:08 Kacey haha no interact lol
23:09 sokomine lors desert city. it was a new town settled by many players. had several decent buildings
23:09 sokomine looks exactly like mapgen bug :-/
23:10 VanessaE damn :(
23:12 Kacey sokomine, how do i get interact
23:19 VanessaE zzz
23:20 TheLastProject joined #minetest
23:21 Kacey i can't stand to seea serverin pieces
23:24 VanessaE so play on mine until redcrab gets his put back together :)
23:24 Kacey Menche's
23:24 VanessaE :P
23:24 Kacey all the way
23:31 VanessaE bbl
23:37 Kacey anyone here play on Menche's server?
23:39 * Kacey wants to work on the factorization mod
23:44 Traxie21 Sure Kac
23:44 Traxie21 What server?
23:46 Traxie21 </derp>
23:46 Traxie21 Has Factorization been started yet?
23:54 VanessaE back
23:55 Kacey https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/factorization Traxie21

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