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00:00 kaeza PilzAdam, anyway, is it planned to add intllib (or some derivative) into minetest_game/builtin? this can get more support from other mods for testing the system and discover new needs?
00:01 PilzAdam yes
00:01 PilzAdam lemme find that link...
00:01 kaeza I've read something about that on #-dev
00:01 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/modtranslate
00:02 PilzAdam c55 said someone need to port intllib to builtin
00:03 khonkhortisan Is anyone working on the inability to jump on ledges?
00:03 kaeza PilzAdam, I have a working branch somewhere on my comp (intllib directly in builtin)
00:03 khonkhortisan Or is that intended?
00:04 kaeza But I think the API details need to be discussed first
00:04 Uberi khonkhortisan: you mean exactly on the edge you can't jump?
00:04 PilzAdam intllib uses the servers lang, doesnt it?
00:04 kaeza is it OK to go with something like the gettext way(using a _() or S() macro)?
00:05 kaeza currently yes
00:05 Uberi kaeza: I think the intention was to send all strings in all langs to the client
00:05 khonkhortisan yes
00:05 Uberi and the client would decide which one to use
00:05 Uberi (in-place language switching!)
00:05 khonkhortisan the jump radius is smaller than the fall radius
00:06 kaeza Uberi, some things are difficult to translate
00:06 kaeza (e.g. formspecs)
00:06 kaeza the only way I see is to add support to every fs widget
00:06 PilzAdam kaeza, the branch I linked from c55 transfers tables like {en="String", de="GermanString"...} to all clients and they pick the language
00:06 thexyz good
00:07 PilzAdam so intllib should produce those and autmatically set it for the item description
00:07 thexyz that's just how I thought it should be
00:07 kaeza PilzAdam, IMHO a better approach would be for the server to get the client lang setting and send only that string
00:07 PilzAdam it should _not_ be like this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/3fbdb46574dcb815d8d4897c14d8bca68ceb5e70
00:07 thexyz does it tell server about client's language?
00:07 PilzAdam currently not
00:08 PilzAdam (but its a good starting point)
00:08 thexyz yeah
00:08 PilzAdam the intllib should act in minetest.register_node() and automatically set the correct tables for the description
00:08 PilzAdam and read it from mod/translation.txt or so
00:09 kaeza it already does in my branch, but will have to fix manually (remembered it fucked up in a pull)
00:10 PilzAdam and we need to figure out a way to translate formspecs
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00:10 kaeza hmm... now what to do about formspecs?
00:10 kaeza ah
00:10 PilzAdam (and chat messages)
00:11 PilzAdam (only chat messages from Lua, though)
00:11 kaeza where is the "formspec parser" defined? I may tweak it a bit and see what happens
00:12 kaeza nvm, I'll grep the code
00:12 PilzAdam there are two ways the client can get a formspec:
00:12 PilzAdam 1) in nodemeta the "formspec" field
00:12 PilzAdam 2) minetest.show_formspec()
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00:13 kaeza I mean the function that actually makes the UI
00:13 kaeza CUI*
00:13 kaeza GUI*
00:13 kaeza the one that finally parses the formspec into the GUI widgets
00:14 Kacey I used to think guns were loud. Then I dropped the damn shampoo in the shower.
00:15 kaeza PilzAdam, maybe → #minetest-delta ?
00:15 PilzAdam maybe -dev
00:17 PilzAdam but I have to go to sleep soon
00:18 kaeza ah ok, this can wait anyway. It's not as it will magically write itself in a couple of hours
00:18 kaeza so I'll just try tweaking some stuff
00:19 PilzAdam maybe just create minetest.translate() wich will return the correct translation table
00:20 PilzAdam and serialize the table when passing it to the client
00:21 PilzAdam bye
00:21 kaeza cya
00:27 Kacey I used to think guns were loud. Then I dropped the damn shampoo in the shower.
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00:45 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#4z2Y2j8J
00:46 NakedFury totally agree on you about that
00:47 NakedFury specially hotel showers
00:47 NakedFury always the first 15 minutes is to experiment so not to burn myself
00:48 Kacey I used to think guns were loud. Then I dropped the damn shampoo in the shower.
00:50 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#PgTIBj8J
00:50 khonkhortisan my shower has h and c about halfway to the ends
00:51 mauvebic the best kind
00:51 khonkhortisan that's enough to get someone killed in the time it takes them to figure out the clown's appearance
00:51 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#R9Wdoq8J
00:53 khonkhortisan they forgot to write one-time use
00:53 khonkhortisan this coupon invalidates any future coupons/sales on this item
00:55 mauvebic slidy doors! :D http://www.zimg.eu/i/997754750
00:56 mauvebic fun part is how they close by themselves after 4s lol
01:10 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#3N9JKJVQ
01:23 Kacey bCK
01:23 Kacey back*
01:23 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#BJFn9mVS best calculator ever
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01:26 onpon4 Hey, I don't see a crafting recipe for the animal modpack's net in the source. Is there one, or do you need to use /giveme to get it?
01:27 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#4GgBQqzZ
01:33 Kacey STUPID INTERNET!!!!!
01:40 * Kacey hates his isp
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01:45 Kacey 12.4 second lag...
01:45 Kacey 23.4
01:45 Kacey 30
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01:48 Kacey stupid internet
01:48 jordan4ibanez Oh nice sapier made path finding
01:50 jordan4ibanez Realbadangel have you released your pc mod yet?
01:52 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#6H5Zixpr
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02:27 kaeza onpon4, w = wool
02:27 kaeza -w-
02:27 kaeza w-w
02:27 kaeza -w-
02:27 * VanessaE pokes kaeza
02:28 onpon4 kaeza: Ah, thanks!
02:28 kaeza err... I think it's the other way aroung
02:28 kaeza -g+d
02:29 * kaeza pokes VanessaE
02:29 kaeza onpon4, np
02:30 kaeza I think I'll leave the intllib stuff for tomorrow, and finish my update for computer already
02:31 kaeza too tired now to do complicated stuff
02:38 khonkhortisan RealBadAngel isn't near the computer right now
02:42 Leoneof :)
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02:46 VanessaE if my guess is right, RealBadAngel is asleep right now, after a very long day
02:46 VanessaE probably getting up in the nest couple of hours
02:46 VanessaE net*
02:46 VanessaE next*
02:53 sokomine well, if you are bored and not tired you may try the building chest of my random_buildings mod (in a new world). it still has some bugs but it's progressing
03:04 VanessaE too tired to mess with anything right now
03:05 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#1Jfhdl8J
03:08 kaeza *NekoGloop found a new toy :D
03:08 NekoGloop ?
03:09 kaeza heh cn jokes
03:17 khonkhortisan NekoGloop, who's the diamond breaker guy?
03:17 NekoGloop no idea
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03:20 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#cjpJkn8J
03:20 kaeza has anyone seen TheZenKitteh/RAPHAEL lately?
03:21 VanessaE hah
03:22 kaeza this pretty much sums it up lol http://ifunny.mobi/#
03:22 kaeza whoops
03:22 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#5pbRw5lb
03:24 NekoGloop No. this does. http://ifunny.mobi/#H9C49vEb
03:27 bull3trulz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2qv4sjHpRM
03:28 VanessaE damn you NekoGloop.
03:28 VanessaE now I'm browsing that site.
03:29 VanessaE it's fukung all over again!!!!
03:29 VanessaE :)
03:29 NekoGloop No. It's youtube all over again. \o\
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03:36 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#LYlckklS
03:37 kaeza iFunny: Y U SO ADDICTIVE??
03:38 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#DJXBHr7o
03:38 NekoGloop Because we're spiting the people who made the site by not browsing it on an iphone
03:39 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#GWBLoGKq
03:39 NekoGloop rickroll, image meme versino
03:40 NekoGloop version*
03:40 VanessaE yep
03:41 NekoGloop Nevuh gonna give you up
03:42 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#gFUxJKVr all of my yes
03:43 VanessaE I like the "torch" light though :-)
03:44 NekoGloop Indeed.
03:44 NekoGloop That reminds me, i saw this one MC mod earlier... it makes torch levers.
03:46 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#1O6Q7m8J All the win... ALL OF IT.
03:46 VanessaE h!
03:46 VanessaE ha!
03:50 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#r8vq159J It's better.
03:50 VanessaE hah!
03:52 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#r7bIkl8J Yes. Yes it should.
03:54 khonkhortisan I like the cup
03:56 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#1jzrlI3l
03:56 VanessaE give this one to cornernote :D
03:57 khonkhortisan You can't attempt to eat the same meat twice
03:57 NekoGloop I've seen that one only fifty times by now, why didn't i think of that
03:58 kaeza rofl http://ifunny.mobi/#Fkwduy2W
03:58 jordan4ibanez pilzadam is like evil notch
03:58 jordan4ibanez he puts in all the awesome stuff lol
03:59 NekoGloop pilzadam is secretly notch
03:59 NekoGloop plot twist
03:59 khonkhortisan plot twist ftw!
03:59 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#BVTongZo
03:59 VanessaE O.O
03:59 jordan4ibanez That would be really cool
03:59 VanessaE no shit?
03:59 jordan4ibanez I bet notch is the one who challeneged c55 in the first place
03:59 khonkhortisan that would be cool if notch was part of our community
04:00 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#5me24kca
04:00 VanessaE (no shit, the image I linked, not the conspiracy stuff_
04:00 NekoGloop What conspiracy?
04:00 NekoGloop After all, he thinks that the same ideas are good...
04:01 jordan4ibanez It would be cool if tools used the "tool" group so they could be enchanted somehow
04:01 NekoGloop http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/199/693/disgusted-mother-of-god.png (perfect response to my above post)
04:02 jordan4ibanez every time a node is dug, if the item has a metadata string of unbreaking it could have life put back into it on each node dig
04:02 kaeza VanessaE, WTF is that sorcery??? :O
04:02 VanessaE kaeza: freeky, no?
04:03 VanessaE I wonder if that's even the least bit true
04:03 khonkhortisan it's way too much work
04:03 khonkhortisan you're welcome to try more digits
04:03 VanessaE khonkhortisan: not for a preschooler who probably can't even multiply 2x2 yet :)
04:03 kaeza yes, it's too much work, but the point is...
04:03 kaeza THAT. IS. FREAKY
04:03 khonkhortisan on the 156 I don't see where the extra 3 goes
04:04 khonkhortisan oh
04:04 khonkhortisan nevermind
04:04 khonkhortisan I'm thinking it's only more ovals but still two dots
04:04 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#qz88d4Zg
04:04 VanessaE WIN!
04:04 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#nbFoEx8J
04:05 NekoGloop no.jpg
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04:05 kaeza VanessaE, LOL. Sonic suxx anyway XD
04:05 khonkhortisan sonic&mario (forget what the turtle's called)
04:05 NekoGloop My samurai kittens shall murder you in your sleep.
04:05 VanessaE turtle is koopa troopa/paratroopa.
04:05 NekoGloop dino is yoshi
04:05 VanessaE ot bowser for the big one, but that's Yoshi in the pic.
04:05 khonkhortisan ah, yoshi
04:06 NekoGloop VanessaE, http://ifunny.mobi/#nbFoEx8J this is win.
04:06 VanessaE saw
04:06 VanessaE cute :)
04:06 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#vOZKMi8J
04:06 VanessaE how true it is. :)
04:06 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#9PDHAPuV
04:06 VanessaE HA!
04:07 VanessaE damn you NekoGloop.  damn you to hell. :-)
04:07 VanessaE now I'm addicted.
04:07 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#MpYH0n8J
04:07 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#MB4r6Wxj
04:08 VanessaE hha, that one (http://ifunny.mobi/#MpYH0n8J) got Abe to laugh :)
04:09 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#pvNIi3Yn
04:12 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#1dyOGXqU
04:14 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#bIG62UXs
04:14 VanessaE +5, Insightful
04:16 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#Dd2SzJzk
04:16 VanessaE EPIC FAIL
04:16 NekoGloop and then the blue truck falls in...
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04:26 lamefun hi
04:27 lamefun I just found an underground lake (of water) in latest git SP world. Is it a bug or an official feature?
04:27 kaeza feature
04:27 VanessaE "It's not a bug, it's a feature!"
04:27 VanessaE :)
04:30 kaeza "Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature"
04:30 kaeza therefore, the "feature" to speed-quit using F10
04:32 VanessaE hah
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04:41 jordan4ibanez Can I set groupcaps in game?
04:41 jordan4ibanez or for a specific stack?
04:42 VanessaE no clue
04:43 jordan4ibanez realbadangel are you fimiliar with this?
04:46 kaeza If I create a Wiki on github, is it editable by the public?
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04:47 kaeza jordan4ibanez, I think you can't :(
04:47 kaeza that's basically modifying the tool def
04:48 kaeza It would be good if you could set those params for individual stacks.
04:50 jordan4ibanez No there's got to be a way
04:57 kaeza fak
04:57 kaeza GitHub MD is fuxed up
05:06 jordan4ibanez Damn I was hoping that'd be possible
05:09 jordan4ibanez I hope jeija's water wave branch gets merged, even though his waves need to be smaller
05:14 kaeza anyway, time for bed
05:14 kaeza nite all
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06:21 VanessaE off to bed...  night all
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10:22 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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11:15 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5193
11:16 * Calinou chooses PilzAdam as official Mark Shuttleworth of the Minetest community
11:16 Calinou "we need to bring Minetest to the desktop, so we should put Mese crystals on people's desktops"
11:16 Calinou poor PilzAdam :)
11:16 Calinou people being pissed off about the 150,000 lava sources of a game world not being renewable
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13:05 * STHGOM moos
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13:21 Jscherro sup
13:21 Jscherro new minetester
13:22 Jscherro anyone know if theres a terraria mod for minetest?
13:23 ironzorg what
13:24 Jscherro i play terraria (2d sandbox game) was wondering if there3 was a mod to include monsters/abilities/sprites from terraria into minetest
13:24 Jscherro there is one for minecraft
13:24 ironzorg I don't recall anybody doing that, and I don't see the point
13:24 Jscherro ok
13:25 Jscherro the point being bringing the things people like from the 2d terraria world into a 3d world like minetest/minecraft :)
13:26 Jscherro anyhow.. for something different
13:27 Jscherro if i want to run a minetest dedicated server
13:27 Jscherro what excactly do i do
13:27 Jscherro got any links to any guides
13:27 Jscherro just for setting up the world. i know how to forward ports ect
13:28 ironzorg such a mod would result in implementing terraria with minetest's engine
13:28 Jscherro ye
13:29 Jscherro would love to see that
13:29 Jscherro but it would prolly be a huge workd
13:29 Jscherro would begin the process if i knew how to mod
13:31 PilzAdam Jousway, what OS do you use?
13:31 Jscherro win7
13:31 Jscherro sry
13:32 PilzAdam you can run a dedicated server in the command line with "minetest --server --worldname your_world"
13:32 PilzAdam see minetest.conf.example for settings like default privs, password etc.
13:32 ironzorg also gameid
13:33 Jscherro k
13:35 Jscherro ok i managed to start a server using --config and --server
13:35 Jscherro cool tnbx
13:35 Jscherro i want to set up minetest on our youth club i think
13:36 Jscherro im just afraid people would just go around destroying eachothers builds
13:36 Jscherro any way to get around that?
13:36 PilzAdam there are different protector mods in the forum
13:36 Jscherro k
13:36 PilzAdam if you dont want to install a mod for that, you can only give the "interact" priv to players that you trust
13:37 Jscherro interact meaning?
13:37 Jscherro ahh
13:37 Jscherro meaning only interactors can build
13:37 PilzAdam the interact privilige is needed to build/destroy blocks
13:37 Jscherro ye
13:37 Jscherro k
13:37 Jscherro ill need a mod then.. they all need to be able to build
13:38 Jscherro is it possible for users to auth on the server
13:38 PilzAdam you can see all privs when opening minetest, press F10 and type "/help privs"
13:38 Jscherro so that when they have built something while logged in with a certain user and pass others wont be able to destrou it
13:38 PilzAdam password protected user registration is supported
13:39 Jscherro ooohh nice
13:39 Jscherro hmmm
13:39 Jscherro im definately gonna look more into this
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13:39 PilzAdam we have a nice user wiki: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Minetest_Wiki
13:39 Jscherro looking..
13:39 PilzAdam its a bit outdated but most things are still up to date
13:40 PilzAdam especially the server commands and privilege articles are interseting
13:41 PilzAdam *interesting
13:43 Jscherro hmm k im looking at privs atm
13:43 Jscherro i see the commands but dont know how to use them
13:43 Jscherro cant type in the server console
13:43 PilzAdam you need a client to execute the commands
13:43 Jscherro k
13:43 Jscherro im logged intot he client too
13:43 Jscherro on my local iå
13:44 Jscherro ip
13:44 PilzAdam you can use t to open a dialog or press F10 to get a console
13:45 Jscherro hmm k
13:45 Jscherro i gave myself privs all
13:45 Jscherro but how do the server know that i can be trusted to have all privs?
13:46 Jscherro or wait not sure i gave myself privs anywya
13:46 PilzAdam by default all players get the priviliges that are set in minetest.conf (see default_privs)
13:46 Jscherro k
13:47 PilzAdam only players with the "priv" privilege can change the privs of other players with the "/privs" command
13:47 Jscherro where is the minetest.conf
13:48 PilzAdam in your minetest folder
13:48 Jscherro oh yea i see an example file there
13:49 Jscherro its all jerked up tho.. no word wrap in the file its just one long text
13:49 PilzAdam the real minetest.conf is generated when you exit minetest
13:49 PilzAdam thats probably windows :-)
13:49 Jscherro k
13:49 PilzAdam get notepad++ or so to read it correctly
13:50 Jscherro i found one
13:50 Jscherro on github by celeron
13:51 Jscherro i should use minetest.conf when making a dedicated server then
13:52 PilzAdam oh, and IIRC you always get all privs if you login to a server that runs on the same computer
13:55 Jscherro oohhh ok
13:56 Jscherro if a person logs in with username and a password are they added to the serverconf?
13:57 Jscherro so that i can give them privs that way
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13:58 PilzAdam they are in worlds/your_world/auth.txt
13:58 Jscherro nice!
13:58 PilzAdam and the player files (with inventory and so on) are in worlds/your_world/players/
13:59 Jscherro ok.. know of any protector mods?
13:59 Jscherro that i can fiddle around with
13:59 Jscherro just dont want people to destroy eachothers work.. its gonna be a semi public world
13:59 ironzorg the best protection is education !
13:59 Jscherro k
13:59 Jscherro yea i could define some rules int he destrpction
13:59 Jscherro i guess
13:59 ironzorg just go on the mods forum
14:00 Jscherro but i have no way to enforce them :) like i cant keep them out of the server if they do bad
14:01 Jscherro k
14:01 Jscherro looking at the protector mod of glomie
14:08 Jscherro hmm
14:09 Jscherro been looking around but dont see how to enable the mod on my server
14:09 Jscherro extracted it into the mods folder
14:13 Jscherro nm found out
14:14 Jscherro made a folder worldmods in my world folder and put it there now its loaded
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14:42 RealBadAngel hi all
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14:49 Jscherro hmm
14:49 Jscherro i stated fullscreen in my server config
14:49 Jscherro but when i connect it connects in window
14:50 PilzAdam you should only edit minetest.conf if minetest isnt running
14:50 PilzAdam it only reads it at startup
14:50 Jscherro i know i did do that
14:50 Jscherro i mean i shut down the server then edited and saved then started up server
14:50 Jscherro but client still connects in window
14:50 PilzAdam have you set it minetest.conf for the client?
14:50 Jscherro no
14:51 Jscherro ahh you set resolution in the client?
14:51 PilzAdam yep
14:51 Jscherro k tnx
14:51 Jscherro but other than that everything seems to be working perfectly :D got protection block in inv and users are getting regged
14:51 PilzAdam everything in the "Client Stuff" section in minetest.conf.example is only in minetest.conf for the client
14:51 Jscherro k
14:52 Jscherro dont really have any sections in my cibf
14:52 Jscherro conf
14:52 Jscherro wait
14:53 Jscherro i see it now
14:56 Jscherro i tried addding farming and plants mod but my server crashes then
15:16 PilzAdam http://www.zimg.eu/i/2696023019
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15:18 Matsetes Hi
15:19 Matsetes I've some problems with Technic
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16:42 Jordach i have found a infinity loop
16:42 Jordach * Jordach removes channel operator status from Jordach
16:42 Jordach * Q gives channel operator status to Jordach
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16:48 RealBadAngel Jordach, Moebius found it way before you ;)
16:52 hmmmm http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/21/breaking-adria-richards-fired-by-sendgrid-for-outting-developers-on-twitter/
16:56 mauvebic lol
16:57 mauvebic sounds like adria could use a big dongle too
16:57 mauvebic that kind of thought-police mentality is exactly why i hate working in teams lol
16:58 hmmmm yep, you have to tippy toe around women who are like that at jobs
16:58 RealBadAngel thats just stupid
16:58 hmmmm or else bam, you're done
16:58 hmmmm hey, she got fired for this bunch of nonsense.  at least there's some justice in the world.
16:58 mauvebic theyre usually like that when they're not getting any - otherwise they'd be contributing jokes of their own
16:58 RealBadAngel everybody know that fuckin let live the mankind
16:59 RealBadAngel but talkin bout it or doing it is forbidden?
16:59 RealBadAngel its like man sitting on a branch and cuttin it
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17:00 mauvebic theres seems to be no distinction between political activism in the workplace and costing people their jobs
17:01 mauvebic im not at all surprised she's getting threats over this BS, if i lost my job to her, i would too lol
17:02 mauvebic the worst is missionary coworkers (religous nuts)
17:02 mauvebic *religious
17:03 rubenwardy hi all
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17:05 rubenwardy I dislike religion.
17:05 rubenwardy But it is free choice/
17:06 mauvebic idc about religion so long as the 'personal' is emphasized in personal worship
17:06 mauvebic you have to be pretty weak-minded to let yourself be converted by a coworker/stranger, makes you wonder how many more times it could be accomplished with the same target lol
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17:13 RealBadAngel weirdo. ppl will fuck as they used to be, no matter what god is watchin, but they will sue for proposition to do so
17:14 RealBadAngel its not even fuzzy logic, its fucked up logic
17:17 RealBadAngel not to mention without fulfillin it, in one generation time all mankind would be gone
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17:20 * Mati^1 hi All
17:20 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: I updated the forcefield branch, seems I forgot to add a few minor changes to the commit
17:24 mauvebic refit bridge http://www.zimg.eu/i/1968214881
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17:29 Jordach you know youve got a problem when you can seed a torrent faster than downloading it
17:29 Jordach fuck throttling
17:29 mauvebic usually the other way around - my UL speed is capped, though they wont admit to it
17:30 mauvebic until i sent my ISP several months' worth of logs showing a speed dropoff right around 17hrs
17:30 mauvebic (they could at least try to make it look random)
17:31 Jordach hold it, lemme turn spotify on -- ill get a faster speed (which always works :D)
17:31 mauvebic another thing, torrents are uber-slow during trafic shaping, but youtube at 1080p works fine lol
17:32 Jordach mauvebic, udp vs. tcp
17:32 Jordach tcp > udp
17:32 Jordach but function wise udp > tcp
17:34 Jordach there it is: 2kb/s straight to 400kb/s
17:34 mauvebic sometimes ill restart the torrent app, and suddenly speed picks up, (makes me think theyre almost flagging the activity)
17:35 Jordach i just disquise my traffic as minetest on port 30000
17:35 Jordach usually works
17:36 mauvebic my map, i think ill have to offer it as a torrent, at 700mb lol
17:37 Jordach yup
17:37 Jordach just use magnet links
17:38 mauvebic ugh, hate making those tho, last time i did, it was to put all of thebox.bz's stuff on public trackers lol
17:38 Jordach mauvebic, i generally seed to 11.0
17:38 Jordach (sometimes 1110.0 is i accidentially forget to turn transmission off)
17:39 mauvebic ill never really understand the private trackers - how do impose rules on activities that are essentially illegal? and how do you expect user to respect your rules more than they would the law? lol
17:39 mauvebic + the hypocrisy of private trackers acting like they have a monopoly on piracy lol
17:39 Jordach mauvebic, the problem lies in the MPAA
17:39 Jordach NOT Law
17:39 mauvebic is that britains' RIAA?
17:39 Jordach no
17:40 Jordach Motion Picture Association of America
17:40 mauvebic ugh, they should worry less about piracy and worry more about the crap they keep putting out
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17:41 Jordach mauvebic, either way, all big corporations (that are apple, google and MS) are bitches to them as they MPAA has more money and are corrupt
17:41 mauvebic i haven't DL'ed a movie that i felt was worth watching or buying in years now lol
17:41 dante123 hi all, I need someone to test and see if my server is accessible via the internet
17:41 Jordach dante123, sure
17:41 dante123 if this works, i am going to try and use it with my students
17:41 Jordach i use 0.4.5 default
17:41 dante123 yeah it is o.4.5
17:41 Jordach even though this is a linux box, i dont like living too close to the edge
17:41 dante123 do i give you the minetest.info.tm or actual ip
17:42 dante123 im using freedns.afraid.org
17:42 mauvebic both should work
17:42 mauvebic you could always try checking 'public'
17:42 Jordach dante123, checking
17:42 mauvebic see if it shows up on other comps
17:42 dante123 not sure how to check freedns to see if it is working
17:43 mauvebic if its pointing to the right IP and it doesn't work, its your network/computer
17:43 Jordach dante123, throw me the IP
17:43 dante123 okay
17:43 dante123 sent you private message
17:44 dante123 did you get it
17:44 Jordach yes
17:44 dante123 not working?
17:44 dante123 i have tried to setup my router properly....and I think I have it right
17:44 Jordach waiting
17:45 Jordach it doesnt respond to pings
17:45 dante123 i have port forwarding and port triggers (not sure if I need one or both)
17:45 Jordach dante123, as a reminder, minetest is UDP and not TCP
17:45 Jordach and it uses 30000
17:45 dante123 i have it setup for both, but can change to just udp
17:46 Jordach dante123, this a home pc, make sure the IP, like 192.168.1.2 matches the computer it is port forwarding from
17:46 Jordach (eg, LAN)
17:47 dante123 hang on checking
17:47 Jordach because thats where most people fall down, they dont check their assigned router IP
17:47 Jordach from DHCP
17:48 Jordach actually i THINK THERE IS A WAY TO MAKE SERVERS EASIER
17:48 Jordach uPnP
17:48 Jordach and that complementary thing
17:48 dante123 http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2013-03-20_16_47_21-omhpNqMH.png
17:48 dante123 that is what the port forwarding settings are
17:48 dante123 I also did port triggering (not sure if I am supposed to or not)
17:48 Jordach that should work
17:48 Jordach dante123, remove the triggers
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17:49 dante123 ok triggers gone
17:49 crackerenherbe [deleted]
17:49 Jordach (my router is a belkin so it;s easy)
17:49 crackerenherbe [deleted]
17:49 dante123 my local ip on this machine is is 192.168.0.12
17:49 dante123 and that seems setup right
17:50 crackerenherbe [deleted]
17:50 dante123 http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2013-03-21_13_50_23-A24A2SCU.png
17:51 dante123 this is what my configuration screen for router looks like....
17:51 crackerenherbe [deleted]
17:51 Jordach dante123, why does it require an external IP
17:51 Jordach try 127.0.0.1
17:52 dante123 this router/cable modem does have a setting I can enable for uPnP
17:52 PilzAdam crackerenherbe, there are so called "games" for the minetest engine that are bundles of mods
17:52 dante123 not sure, should I just leave that blank
17:52 Jordach dante123, uPnP is for UDP programs without the hassle
17:52 PilzAdam minetest_game is one example for such a gem
17:52 PilzAdam *game
17:52 Jordach Minetest doesnt have it yet
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17:52 dante123 so Jordach, I will delete the external ip references or just change it to 127.0.0.1
17:52 dante123 what do you suggest
17:52 Jordach yes
17:53 Jordach because external IP probably refers to another ip
17:53 Jordach if 127.0.0.1 fails, try the local ip of the server
17:53 dante123 okay and leave ports 30000 in there for both internal and external
17:53 dante123 ??
17:53 Jordach yes
17:54 dante123 ok try again, right now it is set to 127.0.0.1
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17:54 PilzAdam what?
17:54 crackerenherbe [deleted]
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17:55 dante123 i was able to connect yesterday, but that was from another computer on my home network, so not really the internet...although I used external (public) ip address
17:55 Jordach dante123, then it's still local
17:55 dante123 so i take it you cant connect?
17:55 Jordach im currently using your ip adress
17:55 dante123 so I will try putting the 192.168......local address in there
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17:56 Jordach your host at minetest.info.tm
17:56 Jordach is correct
17:56 crackerenherbe [deleted]
17:56 crackerenherbe [deleted]
17:56 PilzAdam yea
17:56 crackerenherbe [deleted]
17:56 PilzAdam modpacks are bundles of mods, not games
17:57 Jordach --- minetest.info.tm ping statistics ---
17:57 Jordach 57 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 56000ms
17:57 dante123 okay just put in the 192 stuff
17:57 PilzAdam crackerenherbe, every world has only one game, but can run many modpacks
17:57 dante123 for external
17:57 dante123 check it now
17:57 dante123 I also have DMZ host settings on router....
17:57 dante123 but have not tried those
17:57 Jordach remove DMZ
17:57 Jordach turn on DMZ as sometimes it wont work
17:57 PilzAdam crackerenherbe, so a game is the basis of each world, while modpacks are just bundles of single mods
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17:58 Jordach in fact, you would need no port forwarding with DMZ OFF
17:58 crackerenherbe [deleted]
17:58 Jordach since all data is moved
17:58 dante123 okay just applied the local address as dmz
17:58 VanessaE good afternoon all
17:58 crackerenherbe [deleted]
17:59 dante123 any luck?
17:59 crackerenherbe [deleted]
17:59 Jordach dante123, enable DMZ on the server and remove the port forwards
18:00 mauvebic ugh, we need to be able to set tiles per nodebox {p1,p2}
18:00 dante123 http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2013-03-21_13_59_39-wfImgfTu.png
18:00 dante123 are more settings
18:00 PilzAdam crackerenherbe, games are more  than modpacks; each world is linked to one game, wich adds the very basic blocks to each world
18:00 PilzAdam (like dirt)
18:00 Jordach dante123, oh god
18:00 Jordach found your problem. uncheck WAN BLOCKING
18:01 PilzAdam crackerenherbe, when you create a new world, you can choose the game you want to have for this world
18:01 Jordach Wide Area Network is the internet
18:01 Jordach (WAN is just a bigger name)
18:01 dante123 http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2013-03-21_14_00_43-XfWvf5fP.png
18:01 dante123 okay
18:01 mauvebic i thought was wireless area network?
18:01 dante123 okay try now
18:01 Jordach works
18:01 PilzAdam mauvebic, thats W-LAN, wireless _local_ area network
18:02 dante123 right now settings are DMZ for this local ip......and wan blocking disabled
18:02 dante123 thanks
18:02 dante123 so should I try to do the port forwarding thing later.....and disable dmz so the whole computer is not visible?
18:02 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:02 dante123 thanks Jordach, gotta go....recess is over
18:03 Jordach dante123, at least it works for now
18:03 Jordach dante123, my ping is pinging back now
18:03 dante123 yeah thanks,.,will check in pater
18:03 Jordach so yes, it works
18:03 dante123 check in later i mean....thanks a million\
18:03 Jordach dante123, just doing my job
18:03 Jordach :P
18:03 PilzAdam crackerenherbe, yes, mods and modpacks just extend the game
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18:04 mauvebic you sure youre not helping a kid install MT on his/her school network? :p
18:05 Jordach mauvebic, no, this is a teacher that want to let the kids use minetest when not at school
18:05 Jordach and for once i can salute a school that isnt using non foss stuff
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18:06 mauvebic problem with foss stuff in gov't academics is that the money you spent on software now goes to support, same difference lol
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18:07 Jordach mauvebic, im probably the best support minetest has
18:07 mauvebic only diff is you pay once for each major version of software, whereas support is ongoing because linux is a moving target lol
18:07 mauvebic ie , ill give you the code for free, but you have to keep me on the payroll for eternity to support the damn thing lol
18:08 mauvebic once FLOSS admits to this we might see more realistic corporate expectations of it lol
18:08 Jordach i thought floss was for teeth
18:08 Jordach :D
18:09 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:09 mauvebic Free/Libre OSS ive seen it used :p
18:09 PilzAdam crackerenherbe, mod packs should go there
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18:11 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:11 PilzAdam modpacks should go into the same directory as mods
18:11 PilzAdam the games/ path is only for games
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18:14 PilzAdam because they can differ between worlds
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18:21 jordan4ibanez We should have a contest on the forum
18:22 jordan4ibanez Instead of making mods to do random stuff or make some silly thing, we should see who can make the best mods to make the default game more fun
18:24 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:24 jordan4ibanez What?
18:24 rubenwardy jordan4ibanez: define "fun"
18:24 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:24 jordan4ibanez More things to do, a point, better sounds, better anything. Make the game more like a game.
18:25 rubenwardy ahh, good idea
18:25 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: read -dev for the last few hours.  Some changes taking place.
18:25 VanessaE (the logs thereof I mean)
18:25 jordan4ibanez Could you give me a short changelog pastebin? ^^
18:25 VanessaE you may be interested in the goings on there.
18:26 jordan4ibanez Where is the log for minetest-dev?
18:26 PilzAdam the changelog would be pretty small because nothing has changed for the end user :-)
18:26 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:26 Jordach jordan4ibanez, http://irc.minetest.ru
18:26 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-03-21
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18:28 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:28 mauvebic so they wanna split the games? good on them
18:29 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:29 mauvebic insteading of lobbying for the 1 game to include all the mods people can lobby different games :p
18:30 jordan4ibanez Space survival could be cool, but before that it could have multiple world support for one actual world, like different realms with some way to transport a player in between realms with lua
18:30 mauvebic thats not really within the scope of a 'minetest game' tho
18:30 mauvebic thats more of a server/client patch
18:30 mauvebic which i think, rba is working on w/ stargates
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18:31 PilzAdam Jeija has worked on this too
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18:31 mauvebic mind you i asked a year ago to be able to jump worlds so i could setup "other world" type places (trek)
18:32 mauvebic basically i guess a server that runs many worlds on different ports?
18:32 jordan4ibanez It would be better if you could give entities AI coded in the c++ not lua
18:32 mauvebic and being able to jump from those to eachother and other addresses (internet)
18:32 jordan4ibanez So that way the game isn't slowed down insanely
18:32 PilzAdam Jeija worked on client redirecting to other servers
18:32 jordan4ibanez That's cool
18:32 RealBadAngel mt has already this feature built in
18:33 RealBadAngel when you connect
18:33 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:33 mauvebic well when i saw the galactic mod from MC i was like "wtf" lol
18:33 mauvebic thats exactly what i wanted while back
18:33 RealBadAngel point is to allow REconnecting for within the game
18:34 RealBadAngel to keep consistency
18:34 mauvebic that means being able to authenticate ingame (changing names/psswds)
18:34 jordan4ibanez "such a space thing would also require the sun/moon/day turned off, and a good amount of always-present light to make things practical (both could be simple settings transferred from the server to the client)"
18:34 mauvebic or cross your fingers your name is free on all the worlds (not with griefers they wont be)
18:34 jordan4ibanez a setting in lua to control the ambient light?
18:34 RealBadAngel NONE
18:34 RealBadAngel each time you will connect to new server
18:35 mauvebic well if you want to create a moon type situation you need a few things: no sun/moon, and possible a background image for the sky
18:35 RealBadAngel and get new mods (if for the first time)
18:35 RealBadAngel that also solves pass problems
18:35 jordan4ibanez I wish in minetest that we had a real arm like the 3d player, not a muffin. That'd make me want to play again
18:36 mauvebic so basically you need the connection formspec ingame and what some DE's call re-cycle
18:36 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:37 mauvebic idea for the moon: change the sun color to blue :p
18:38 mauvebic remove the tiny moon
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18:38 VanessaE why would the sun be blue in space?
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18:38 VanessaE it'd be bright yellow-white, just no blue atmosphere
18:38 mauvebic the earth is blue in space
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18:38 mauvebic blue and white
18:38 mauvebic a bit of green
18:38 markveidemanis Hi
18:38 mauvebic so unless you want to apply a texture to the sun, i'd go w/ a light blue
18:38 VanessaE which I do, btw
18:39 VanessaE texturable sun/moon/sky is a must.
18:39 mauvebic ive been asking for it for a while too lol
18:39 jordan4ibanez Also, could you call minetest game minetest_0.4.5_stable if you guys are going to develop another version? So that that could be the latest stable version that people could use
18:39 mauvebic but anyone can change the source and change the colors/size of moon/sun, (thats about all i could do lol)
18:39 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, you can pull the stable_0.4 branch from github
18:39 PilzAdam or use the tags
18:40 jordan4ibanez No that's what I meant, in the info for minetest game, put 0.4.5 stable lol
18:41 mauvebic though if you wanna do something different with the sun/sky/moon, id suggest making them elements you define in lua, with the possibility of multiple suns/moons or none at all
18:41 jordan4ibanez Just in case any future update of the game engine makes the game mode incompatable
18:42 jordan4ibanez I think the reason minecraft>minetest for me is the sound are better the music is very relaxing and nostalgic, and the textures of things just relaxes me
18:43 mauvebic aesthetics
18:43 markveidemanis http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77576#p77576
18:43 mauvebic can be achieved with mc_game
18:44 mauvebic i just dont think anyone wants to be responsible for grabbing all the sounds and textures and putting it up for download lol
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18:45 jordan4ibanez I don't want minecrafttest I want to help create what minetest could be, but I don't know how yet
18:48 mauvebic but thats the point, if people want different games why not make different games? why all bitch about the one?
18:48 jordan4ibanez Damnit vanessae please delete: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77582#p77582
18:48 mauvebic we used to debate features now we just debate shit anyone can fix in lua, is kinda pointless
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18:49 VanessaE deleted.
18:49 vytautas hi minetest_game not working.
18:49 jordan4ibanez because mauvebic, to create a better game engine, you must create a better game, and to create a better game we must come to a common agreement on features, and all throw our ideas into the hat
18:50 vytautas with latest git
18:50 markveidemanis http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77574#p77574
18:50 mauvebic i would have thought diversity would lead to a better game engine (ie, people doing new things and asking for new things)
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18:52 STHGOM howdy
18:52 jordan4ibanez Well more cpu cores are better than one right? It's better to have more people working on parts of a game mode and then explain why a feature should be added to the engine then having one person trying to create a bunch of features for a game mode
18:52 mauvebic howdy
18:53 vytautas http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/c147.0.403.403/p403x403/150468_229172783892656_955926602_n.jpg
18:54 jordan4ibanez Weird issue with the votes counter
18:54 jordan4ibanez Warning! The following errors must be corrected before your message can be posted:
18:54 jordan4ibanez Count of days and count of votes can't ...
18:56 jordan4ibanez Jordach your post in general made me lol.
18:57 VanessaE well my server is transitioned over to that separated minetest_game/minetest_common model.  that wasn't too difficult.
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18:59 mauvebic does default have snow and ice nodes?
18:59 Jordach nope.
19:00 mauvebic i put em in mine, along with a full grass node
19:00 jordan4ibanez You can use nodeboxes for blocks, could "" which is the default item for your hand have a nodebox of an item called "" ?
19:00 jordan4ibanez hacks hacks hacks
19:03 STHGOM hi 0gb im sparky
19:03 jordan4ibanez Oh yeah, pilzadam can we change the tool definition for an itemstack?
19:04 PilzAdam hm?
19:04 jordan4ibanez in essence is that even possible?
19:04 PilzAdam you mean changing the tooldef at runtime?
19:05 jordan4ibanez Say I wanted to give a wooden axe the tool definition of a steel shovel while the server is running with some kind of lua code, could I do that?
19:05 jordan4ibanez And I mean only the wooden axe I am wielding
19:05 PilzAdam no, that is v
19:05 PilzAdam ooops
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19:05 PilzAdam no, that is basically the same as changing nodedef at runtime
19:06 jordan4ibanez Oh okay, could that possibly be a metadata feature in the future? Tooldef could be heald in metadata instead of tool definition?
19:06 jordan4ibanez for enchanting and stuff ^^
19:08 jordan4ibanez I mean groupcaps for a tool
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19:09 jordan4ibanez So you can change the group caps of a specific tool in your inventory without changing the rest of the same tools, if that makes sense
19:09 Calinou how does one announce a server to servers.minetest.net?
19:10 Calinou I've added server name/description and server_announce = 1 to minetest.conf, nothing
19:10 Calinou whoops, nevermind
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19:14 bas080 Hey guys, i had an idea. What if there was a server where modders can "post"/build/demo there mods and users/players can visit to try the mods out, and if they like, download the modders mod by pressing a download button (download node) so the mod download to their default game or opens the mod page in browser.  An alternative to an mod manager ui
19:15 mauvebic curl?
19:15 bas080 curl is good
19:15 bas080 mauvebic, you like idea?
19:16 mauvebic neutral lol
19:18 mauvebic i mean you cant really miss 'em if you google for mods in the browser
19:18 Calinou what port is used for server announces? does the server need any dependency that is not required?
19:19 thexyz Calinou: curl
19:19 bas080 true, i don't mind the forum either. But all is in english and this would make the understanding of mods universal.
19:19 Calinou ah, ok
19:19 Calinou thexyz: is it enabled by default when doing "cmake .", or is it off by default?
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19:21 * Calinou did "cmake . -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_CURL=1"
19:21 bas080 not all mods can be showcased... :S
19:22 thexyz Calinou: it should be enabled if you have it
19:22 Calinou k
19:28 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: technic/ores.lua:71: attempt to call global 'register_stair_slab_panel_micro' (a nil value)
19:29 RealBadAngel thats VanessaE
19:29 RealBadAngel i dont know nothin bout it lol
19:30 PilzAdam 'register_stair_slab_panel_micro' is from stairs+
19:31 mauvebic how many shapes for every node in stairs+?
19:31 jin_xi hasnt that been merged into moarblocks recently?
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19:32 PilzAdam yep
19:33 mauvebic good its getting harder to distinguish all the mods with more before it or + after it lol
19:33 VanessaE no, your copy of moreores is probably out of dare
19:33 VanessaE date*
19:33 VanessaE er
19:33 VanessaE moreblocks
19:34 VanessaE ShadowNinja: moreblocks now includes stairsplus as part of it, and technic uses those functions to register stairs. You need to get the latest moreblocks git, as everything is piped through the circular saw
19:34 VanessaE (to reduce creative inventory clutter)
19:35 VanessaE fwiw, my server used to have 33 pages in Unified Inventory.  Now it has 18.
19:35 VanessaE thanks to circular saw
19:35 ShadowNinja ok
19:35 mauvebic i have 5 lol
19:35 VanessaE Calinou: can you put sokomine's technic fix in plz? (see forum)
19:35 ShadowNinja editing my updater now for common
19:36 VanessaE already updated my build scripts
19:36 VanessaE I should upload a new build
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19:38 rubenwardy I have been working on this: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/?mode=view&id=food:bread
19:38 rubenwardy 100% database controlled
19:38 rubenwardy bye all
19:40 VanessaE there, new build is up.
19:40 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77600#p77600
19:42 mauvebic so have they figured out why emerge is slower despite luajit?
19:42 Menche emerge is slower with luajit?
19:42 mauvebic well when i compiled the latest minetest + jit, it took 15 spawns and it never finished lol, the same binvox spawned in 3 go's 0.45 stable
19:43 mauvebic vanessae told me it was emerge
19:43 Menche does that affect map loading as well? i thought i noticed more map loading lag with luajit
19:43 VanessaE eh?
19:43 Menche could be wrong though
19:43 VanessaE when did I say that?
19:43 VanessaE oh that thing
19:43 mauvebic tuesday
19:44 VanessaE that's not so much a Lua problem, jit or otherwise, as much as a problem with the engine telling the client those blocks have been changed.
19:44 mauvebic my FPS was the same with luajit, mods werent faster and binvox wasn't working at all - i dont know the cause
19:44 VanessaE whether that's emergethread or not I'm not sure, ask hm
19:44 VanessaE hmmmm:
19:44 VanessaE I was just guessing at it
19:45 mauvebic possibly, ive gotten used to compiling local folder versions for testing before upgrading my playing setup :p
19:45 Menche actually in my case it was probably not luajit, i just remembered i had too many emergethreads
19:45 mauvebic but as it stands i wont use latest + jit, dont know which is at fault tho
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19:47 Menche apparently there is a cracked client that can gain extra privs on servers?
19:47 Menche i heard some players talking about it in gameboom
19:47 mauvebic LM prolly
19:47 VanessaE hacked*
19:47 Menche cracked, hacked, whatever
19:48 VanessaE and there are a few people who have such things, but it's more a matter of it exploiting bugs in the server that don't adequately control what the player can do
19:48 mauvebic hence my private server lol
19:48 Menche anyone know what it exploits?
19:49 mauvebic i doubt they would publish it here
19:49 mauvebic unless you wanna kiss your server goodbye
19:49 Menche someone has been digging the ropes from the vines mod on my server
19:49 Menche they are undiggable
19:50 mauvebic then theyre using whatever node from whatever mod that removes a node beneath/ontop/near it
19:50 Menche the player in question was bragging that he found some cheat i didn't block or something
19:51 mauvebic with the # of mods doing a # of different things, its very easy for anyone to figure cheats
19:51 mauvebic find an exploit, crash the server
19:51 mauvebic find an exploit, detroy nodes that you shouldn't be able to dig
19:51 mauvebic etc.
19:52 mauvebic thats why i suggest merging common-enough stuff and building up a solid base for them
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19:55 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: can you please add : to the characters in your signs mod?
19:58 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: cannot open .../minetest_game/mods/stairs/init.lua: No such file or directory
20:00 ShadowNinja hmm, seems git does not like deleting directories
20:01 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, what?
20:04 PilzAdam gtg; bye
20:08 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: pushed
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20:15 ShadowNinja um, fire is a required common mod
20:15 mauvebic you can disable those in the game.conf right?
20:15 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, ok, will test it a bit later today
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20:17 ShadowNinja ah, yes, thanks
20:18 mauvebic is there still a modpack/mod going by 'nature'?
20:19 ShadowNinja moreblocks junglewood got removed, yay lets modify worldedit and //replace it all
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20:27 Jscherro HEY GUYS
20:27 Jscherro sry caps
20:27 Jscherro im having a problem.. was setting up a server earlier.. now when i start it and join it with a client its all black
20:27 Jscherro and i get a few glitches of light of the sky but nothing else
20:27 Jscherro any ideas?
20:29 Jscherro no? :(
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20:39 dante123 hi all, my students were building a world in 0.4.4 but I now have a server they can access (i think) from school or home that is running 0.4.5....can I move or export the 4.4 world to 4.5??
20:40 mauvebic keep a backup and try it out
20:40 dante123 jscherro, have you tried teleporting or flying to another area....maybe you are in a bottomless pit
20:40 VanessaE sure, just copy it over
20:40 VanessaE worlds are portable between versions usually
20:40 dante123 mauvebic is there a specific folder that I move.....
20:40 mauvebic /home/.minetest/<worldname>
20:40 VanessaE dante123: copy minetestfolder/worlds/yourworld  --> other_minetestfolder/worlds
20:41 mauvebic oups yeah that ^
20:41 mauvebic forgot a folder level lol
20:41 VanessaE you just copy the whole folder named for your world and make sure the new minetest instance is configured to find it
20:41 mauvebic why wouldnt it? druninplace=0/1?
20:41 VanessaE if your worlds are all in something like /home/dante123/.minetest/worlds then you don't need to move anything.  just run the new version
20:41 dante123 ok thanks
20:42 dante123 Thanks again for help yesterday VanessaE.....
20:42 VanessaE mauvebic: exactly.  I always build for not-run_in_place, but others seem to prefer the opposite
20:42 VanessaE dante123: no prob.
20:43 mauvebic depends if youre testing or upgrading the client/server you play with
20:43 dante123 I had someone (jordan or some name like that) enter my world today....using DMZ.  But Im going to try just the port forwarding thing now....do you mine testing to see if you can connect?
20:43 mauvebic i almost replaced my primary instance with all the buildscripts when testing jit lol
20:43 VanessaE mauvebic: use my buildscript for jit ;)
20:43 Jscherro i found out i was somewhere under the ground
20:43 mauvebic yeah but yours had druninplace = 0 i had to change to 1 lol :p
20:44 VanessaE heh
20:44 mauvebic otherwise i would have been royally screwed finishing ds9
20:44 Jscherro it was night i think so couldnnt see when i was underground but managed to get up during daytime
20:44 VanessaE ds9 is the big 1km thing you were trying to spawn?
20:44 mauvebic its done now :-)
20:44 VanessaE ahhh.. I thought it looked familiar.
20:44 BlindBanana is there a place where some different minetest server configs are shared and explained or is anybody using the default config?
20:44 mauvebic the battlestar is also over a km long lol
20:45 VanessaE BlindBanana: minetestserver --config /some/path/to/otherconfig.conf
20:45 mauvebic for an impression of the size: http://ompldr.org/vaHVhbA/mapr.png
20:45 VanessaE use the same syntax and options in your alternate config
20:45 VanessaE this works for minetest client also.
20:46 Jscherro wth.. my server crashes on startup now.. even with only --server in the command line
20:46 mauvebic one thing: when i played with map_meta, i changed the water level, but instead it rose the ground, is that normal?
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20:47 mauvebic like, i wanted ground to stay at 0, and the water to rise 100m above (like a flooded world)
20:47 VanessaE weird
20:47 mauvebic perhaps seperate ground, water levels
20:47 VanessaE I've never played with those settings
20:48 mauvebic i did and raising the water level also raises the ground, which defeats the purpose of param i find lol
20:48 mauvebic ideally its up to the editor of map_meta to config peaks and islands on said map
20:49 mauvebic (ive only started to play with those [perlin] settings)
20:49 VanessaE imho there should be options in the world "configure" dialog (main menu) that let you change those settings before you start the world
20:49 mauvebic true
20:50 mauvebic current way is to create world, start with blank username, then edit map_meta, for uniform map
20:50 VanessaE but not by entering numbers, more like choosing a few options like "super hilly" or "lots of cliffs", "enable jungles", and the like
20:50 mauvebic hackish but works
20:50 mauvebic simple integer values representing a scale of 1 to 100
20:50 VanessaE and let the program plug in some numbers that subjectively seem to cause the selected terrain
20:50 Jscherro how come.. i set my name to be admin in the serverconfig file.. when i log in with that name and password i cant interact?
20:50 mauvebic 0 = flat, 100 = peaks and chasms everywhere sortof thing
20:51 mauvebic of course thats pointless if you use the flat flag :p
20:51 mauvebic im kinda curious why flat maps dont have water though
20:51 mauvebic it doesnt really ruin the flatness
20:51 kaeza hi all
20:51 mauvebic howdy
20:51 VanessaE hey kaeza
20:52 VanessaE mauvebic: I think it would need at least two or three controls for terrain, but nothing that should confuse
20:52 mauvebic simple scales but with enough of a range for real diversity
20:52 mauvebic cuz 1 to 10 is 10 to the power of the # of params = total number of possible worlds
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20:54 mauvebic some things i just dont get and perlin is one of them lol hence paysage
20:54 ShadowNinja how do I replace an unknown node?
20:54 mauvebic kill it
20:54 VanessaE just break it with a pick and put down whatever shoulda been there
20:55 mauvebic [dig] + [q]
21:00 ShadowNinja I mean a few thousand nodes
21:00 ShadowNinja I will just re-define them
21:00 VanessaE find out what the node was and alias it to something else.
21:00 VanessaE or use pilzadam's "clean" mod
21:01 ShadowNinja it is junglewood and stonebrick
21:01 BlindBanana VanessaE: No, I want to know which server configs other people use and why
21:01 ShadowNinja will an alias change the actual one that is stored on the map?
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21:01 BlindBanana VanessaE: I'm fine using the defaults
21:01 Jscherro guys
21:02 VanessaE BlindBanana: ohhh
21:02 Jscherro how come when on my own server i dig the tile is replaced immidiately
21:02 VanessaE well that's kinda random really
21:02 VanessaE everyone has their favorite settings
21:02 Jscherro in the minetest.conf i stated myself as admin
21:02 Jscherro and in my auth file my name has shout, interact
21:03 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5635250/
21:03 VanessaE my config, for example.
21:05 BlindBanana Thx. Bit I mean as in http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1825
21:05 BlindBanana '*But
21:07 Jscherro how do i give myself interact??
21:11 VanessaE /grant singleplayer all ;-)
21:11 VanessaE also,
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21:11 VanessaE do this:  sign out of your server, shut it down, delete your player file and delete your entry from ..what was it, auth.txt?   then make sure you have your name set right in your minetest.conf
21:11 VanessaE start the server, log in with the correct name, and it should grant you all privs right away
21:12 Jscherro k ill try that tnx vanessae
21:12 Jscherro i deleted the entry from minetest.conf where i set my admin name
21:12 Jscherro you know what to type there ?
21:14 VanessaE nono don't delete it from minetest.conf, delete it from your world's auth.txt
21:14 VanessaE and it's just:  name = somethinghere
21:14 VanessaE whatever your in-game name is
21:14 Jscherro k
21:14 Jscherro did that now.. still no privs..
21:15 VanessaE did you delete your entry from your world's auth.txt ?
21:15 Jscherro did delete it from auth.txt.. will try again
21:15 VanessaE did you shut down the server before editing both files?
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21:18 Jscherro ye
21:18 Jscherro i checked my auth and players and im not being created there now
21:18 jordan4ibanez Who wants to know the secret to animated chest blocks in minecraft?
21:19 VanessaE Jscherro: ok, now start your server
21:19 VanessaE log in with *exactly* the same spelling of your in-game name as you put in minetest.conf
21:20 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/0NaykgZq_ME
21:20 jordan4ibanez Chests aren't a block, they're an entity
21:22 kaeza jordan4ibanez, I have an animated chest model, can you make animated chests?
21:22 jordan4ibanez Yes
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21:22 kaeza hold on
21:22 mauvebic attach the chest formspec to the chest entity
21:24 kaeza jordan4ibanez, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/animated_chest.zip
21:25 kaeza aww... sorry, you don't have blender right?
21:25 jordan4ibanez \o/
21:25 jordan4ibanez I do
21:25 jordan4ibanez What do I export this as?
21:26 kaeza .x or .b3d
21:28 jordan4ibanez Can You upload an exported version so I can start working on the code now?
21:28 kaeza gime a sec
21:29 kaeza https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/animated_chest_x.zip
21:29 kaeza in .x format
21:29 Jscherro got it to work :) tnx vanessa
21:30 kaeza if it needs some tweaks, ping me. I haven't tested if scale/rotation is right
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21:31 VanessaE Jscherro: excellent
21:37 jordan4ibanez kaeza what is the opening animation key frames?
21:37 jordan4ibanez are*
21:38 kaeza hmm lemme check... the model is not mine
21:39 kaeza credits go to STHGOM
21:39 Jscherro how do i do so people dont spawn with full inv when they enter my server?
21:39 Jscherro i want people who join my server to make their own starting gear and tools
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21:41 paxcoder remind me, do i need 0.4.x or unstable?
21:41 paxcoder for 0.4.5
21:43 paxcoder umm yello?
21:43 Jscherro sry no idea
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21:47 kaeza frack... this thing does not even have animations :(
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21:49 paxcoder cisoun, 0.4.x stable, or unstable/github ?
21:49 paxcoder for the 0.4.5 version?
21:50 PilzAdam paxcoder, use the stable_0.4 branch
21:50 PilzAdam it contains always the latest stable release
21:50 paxcoder which iiis?
21:50 PilzAdam 0.4.5
21:50 paxcoder kthx
21:50 PilzAdam or just checkout the 0.4.5 tag
21:51 paxcoder meh, I'm a git with git
21:52 jordan4ibanez kaeza please use ctrl+a and apply scale rotatation and location
21:52 PilzAdam you can checkout tags like normal branches
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21:52 PilzAdam you just cant push to tags (as if you would push to branches)
21:52 jordan4ibanez kaeza please use ctrl+a and apply scale rotatation and location
21:53 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, double post?
21:53 jordan4ibanez no my client quit
21:53 kaeza jordan4ibanez, ah... reduce it half the size?
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21:57 jordan4ibanez No I mean it doesn't have a texture http://i.imgur.com/U205Rkc.png
21:57 jordan4ibanez No I mean it doesn't have a texture http://i.imgur.com/U205Rkc.png
21:58 kaeza hrm....
21:58 kaeza I just happened to have that model around
21:59 paxcoder Jordach, cool story, bro. Say it again.
21:59 paxcoder jordan4ibanez *
21:59 kaeza I'm completely clueless about how to use blender
21:59 paxcoder autocompletelyfails
21:59 kaeza brb
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22:02 jordan4ibanez I just realized
22:02 jordan4ibanez I am making a chest entity
22:02 jordan4ibanez carts+chest=?
22:02 jordan4ibanez profit?
22:02 paxcoder XD
22:03 paxcoder mining operations just got easier
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22:03 paxcoder and... more horizontal
22:04 jordan4ibanez Yep, and the funny part is that that makes a lot of sense now, I always wondered how jeb attached a chest to a minecart
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22:20 jordan4ibanez So what can I export an animated entitiy as?
22:21 PilzAdam .x
22:21 jordan4ibanez anything else?
22:22 jordan4ibanez what exactly is a .x file called? There is no .x in the blender exporter
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22:23 PilzAdam you can also use .b3d
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22:23 PilzAdam and there is a .x exporter in blender, but you have to enable it somewhere
22:24 jordan4ibanez yeah I just did
22:24 jordan4ibanez I'm still kind of waking back up to this
22:26 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: buckets are now left click to pick up and right to place
22:26 PilzAdam yes
22:26 ShadowNinja that is inconsistent
22:27 PilzAdam there was a vote in the forum
22:27 PilzAdam s/vote/poll
22:28 ShadowNinja and right-clicking on a door places it, bad if it was lava
22:30 lamefun inconsistent? blocks are mined with left, placed with right and everything else is
22:31 ShadowNinja lamefun: yes, if buckets place with right-click they should pick up with right click
22:32 PilzAdam an empty bucket is a tool to "dig" water
22:32 PilzAdam and you dig with leftclick
22:32 ShadowNinja I see what you mean but it feels weird
22:35 jordan4ibanez The wittlest chest http://i.imgur.com/OR63E6n.png
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22:37 jordan4ibanez exactly 5 times bigger was perfect http://i.imgur.com/CkSSuuy.png
22:40 Jscherro how do i use a furnace lol
22:40 Jscherro put in some wood and it says out of fuel
22:40 Jscherro trying to get some coal for torches
22:40 mauvebic kaeza's a genius
22:41 mauvebic just solved my massive binvox spawning problem with coroutines
22:41 PilzAdam Jscherro, you cant get coal out of wood
22:41 Jscherro how do i get coal then?
22:41 PilzAdam go minging
22:41 Jscherro k
22:41 mauvebic watching voyager being spawned line by line lol
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22:42 Kacey hi all
22:43 kaeza mauvebic, lol
22:43 kaeza just a small trick
22:43 kaeza hey Kacey
22:44 Kacey mauvebic, you should make VanessaE's pipeworks store water and make valves work
22:44 Kacey hi kaeza
22:44 Kacey (i would but i am no good at coding)
22:45 mauvebic only thing missing now is to teleport the player every n number of nodes to load the region
22:45 mauvebic though with caves disabled thats less of a priority now
22:45 mauvebic still with binoxes loading slowly i can move and check my compass/map
22:46 mauvebic its like watching a 3d printer in action lol
22:46 kaeza hehe
22:46 kaeza It's better than loking up the server I guess :P
22:46 kaeza +c
22:46 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4950&amp;p=3
22:47 mauvebic and i can restrict each user to one thread on binvox
22:47 kaeza thexyz, wut
22:47 thexyz wtf?
22:47 mauvebic ban
22:47 kaeza Is that allowed in there??
22:47 kaeza +1 ban
22:48 mauvebic memes ok, porn no
22:48 PilzAdam the ban hammer has to decide
22:48 thexyz but
22:49 thexyz it's no porn!
22:49 VanessaE thexyz: it doesn't belong.
22:49 VanessaE but I wouldn't call it porn either.
22:49 mauvebic yeah but imagine all the parents who will find that in the cache
22:49 mauvebic the school libraries, lol
22:49 mauvebic theyll block minetest lol
22:49 mauvebic without really knowing why lol
22:49 VanessaE (I warned you guys that "Offtopic" was a bad idea.)
22:49 thexyz I'll just cut it out
22:50 PilzAdam you know that also childreen play minetest?
22:50 mauvebic offtopic aint the problem, its the maturity of some people posting there lol
22:50 kaeza agreed
22:50 kaeza topics like "What other voxel games have" are good
22:50 mauvebic its funny youd rather close a forum than deal with the person posting it :P
22:51 thexyz well, google safe search almiost won this time
22:51 thexyz almost..
22:52 thexyz meh, it still sucks
22:52 dante123 hi all transferred world the kids were working on to my server and that is working.  Now I have a question, there are some blocks I cant seem to destroy....do I have to use pulverize command or what?
22:52 thexyz dante123: try worldedit
22:53 thexyz also, what are those blocks?
22:53 mauvebic kaeza as much as coroutines work for binvox, the threaded mapp only pops up once and never again, ?
22:53 kaeza wut
22:53 kaeza lemme check that
22:53 VanessaE dante123: an easier idea might be to get the maptools mod, then /giveme maptools:pick_admin
22:53 mauvebic i click the tool, i get the map the first time, every other click after that nothing
22:53 VanessaE use that to destroy the offending blocks.
22:54 mauvebic i gots 0.4.5
22:55 khonkhortisan ooh, luajit is a pull request now
22:55 PilzAdam but its wrong
22:55 khonkhortisan oh
22:55 PilzAdam it shouldnt be included into minetest
22:55 PilzAdam oh, that reminds me: Ill add common to ohloh
22:55 mauvebic ^
22:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: the pull request shouldn't, or luajit shouldn't?
22:56 PilzAdam luajit shouldnt
22:57 khonkhortisan Should it be added as a compile option only?
22:57 mauvebic that yeah
22:57 mauvebic but i dont want it default
22:57 mauvebic (imo)
22:57 VanessaE why?
22:57 PilzAdam best would be: use luajit if found, else compile the Lua shipped with minetest
22:58 kaeza mauvebic, it does work for me
22:58 mauvebic no noticeable different when i tried it, rather stick to mainstream lua
22:58 mauvebic *difference
22:58 VanessaE mauvebic: because what you do doesn't benefit from it.
22:58 dante123 okay, so the main goal is for the kids to make a pioneer or native village, eventually have some animals and garden/crops.  I dont want to add the animals and plants until they have the main buildings and village built.  What mods can I add that will give cool features for the village and maybe improve looks before I bring in the animal/plant ones.  I want to avoid lag if possible but still give cool items.  VanessaE suggested the homedecor and
22:58 dante123 moreblocks....any others
22:58 VanessaE you're stressing the living shit out of the map loader/gen/emerge code
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22:59 mauvebic well the spawns were finishing faster but the job never really finished - which makes me think its just fancy garbage collection
22:59 VanessaE mauvebic: whatever it is, it ain't Lua that's the problem.
22:59 PilzAdam dante123, homedecor goes against the voxel idea of minetest
22:59 VanessaE (beyond a certain point though)
22:59 VanessaE PilzAdam: why?  90% of the stuff in homedecor uses default draw types.
23:00 PilzAdam and 10% not
23:00 mauvebic what i do now isn't stressing 0.4.5
23:00 dante123 Cant seem to locate the maptools mod
23:00 PilzAdam and I also mix it up with 3D furniture
23:00 PilzAdam so its prolly not that bad...
23:00 VanessaE dante123: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1882
23:00 VanessaE PilzAdam: just because *you* don't like non-blocky items doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.
23:01 PilzAdam then go play bf3 if you want non blocky games
23:01 VanessaE ...
23:01 Jscherro anyone want to test out my server? :)
23:01 VanessaE remove all the non-blocky drawtypes if you want a strictly-blocky worlds.
23:01 VanessaE -s
23:01 Jscherro and maybe give some advice on what mods should be put on it ect
23:02 PilzAdam Jscherro, IP and port?
23:02 Jscherro its in the game browser
23:02 Jscherro 95.166.106.34:30000
23:02 PilzAdam "Powernoobs Minetest server"?
23:02 Jscherro the powernoob one
23:02 Jscherro ye
23:03 kaeza PilzAdam, playing Minetest is about fun; not having everything 100% blocky
23:03 kaeza +necessarily
23:03 jin_xi infidel
23:03 PilzAdam 100% blocky _is_ fun
23:03 dante123 where do you put mods in linux version
23:03 Jscherro just let me know if its laggy
23:03 PilzAdam Jscherro, I spawned on a 10x10 island...
23:04 kaeza dante123, ~/.minetest/mods/minetest
23:04 mauvebic i dunno before nodeboxes i found the selection of nodes to be sameish
23:04 mauvebic plus with people being anal on 16 pixel textures theres only so many combinations of blocks you can have lol
23:04 kaeza or <minetest>/mods/minetest for ruRUN_IN_PLACE version
23:04 kaeza -ru
23:05 thexyz ru!
23:05 kaeza well... IIRC DMs and Oerkkis weren't blocky
23:05 kaeza (I mean the textures)
23:06 dante123 when I go into /.minetest the only folders in there are cache and worlds
23:06 PilzAdam kaeza, guess why they arent in the game anymore :-)
23:06 kaeza PilzAdam, not because of that reason :)
23:08 dante123 bash: /home/bill/.minetest/mods/minetest: No such file or directory
23:08 kaeza mkdir -p ~/.minetest/mods/minetest
23:08 kaeza :)
23:08 dante123 ok
23:10 dante123 thanks, on windows those directories are already there.....i thought i had done something wrong
23:10 kaeza dante123, they are there if you download the source or a "run in place" version, but are not created by the game (?)
23:12 Exio i'm l33t and because that i play frets on fire what is wrote in python in an intel celeron with an old igp
23:12 Exio 400 ms of delay or so
23:12 dante123 i downloaded the build for ubuntu/mint.....okay just started server and got all black screen and in lower left corner blocks appearing and changing...different types....is that normal?
23:13 dante123 ok its all good now
23:13 VanessaE you get that on Linux??
23:13 VanessaE am I like, the only person whose minetest install doesn't do that??
23:14 dante123 /giveme maptools:pick_admin said it could not be added to inventory
23:15 lamefun anyone working on C++ modding API?
23:15 VanessaE dante123: /mods
23:15 VanessaE does "maptools" appear in the list?
23:15 Exio lamefun: "C++ modding API"?
23:16 lamefun yes
23:16 lamefun instead of Lua
23:16 Exio there is no "a standard way" for coding mods in C++, as far as i know
23:16 dante123 iokay now it added pick_admin to inventory
23:16 dante123 is there a special colour for this pick
23:16 dante123 pink
23:17 VanessaE pinkish-purple
23:17 Exio you can try looking around in dev.minetest.net, and if you don't get info for the stuff, you will need to "look around" in the code :P
23:17 VanessaE it destroys pretty much anything, most of the time instantly.
23:17 dante123 it still won't let me destroy this block, vanessaE do you want to try?  same ip
23:17 VanessaE wtf?
23:17 VanessaE sure
23:17 VanessaE hold
23:17 Exio probably other people can help you (in -dev?) for that thing, i only know the basics for configs :P
23:18 VanessaE I'll bite :-)
23:18 Deivan How I send a message to the F10 terminal?
23:18 VanessaE just type.
23:18 Deivan I only have success using minetest.log("error","message")
23:19 Deivan Maybe this one: minetest.chat_send_player(name, text)
23:19 Deivan I will try now.  AFK
23:21 Deivan Is it.  I release my new version of the lava cooling renewed now.  :D
23:21 Deivan Cya.
23:21 Deivan AFK
23:25 VanessaE dante123: first time I've actually *seen* that in a map, in person
23:26 dante123 ok
23:26 VanessaE (for the rest of the channel: the bug where occasionally a hand can be found just floating in the air)
23:26 Deivan The thing from the Addams?
23:26 Deivan :-o
23:26 VanessaE haha
23:26 dante123 well i cant do anything with those little blocks
23:27 PilzAdam doesnt minimal use the hand texture for the testing tool?
23:27 Exio wtf VanessaE
23:27 VanessaE when I picked it up, I got a CONTENT_IGNORE warning while trying to replace air
23:27 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2003212013%20-%2007:21:51%20PM.png
23:27 VanessaE (HDX texture pack, but that's a hand and a half-not-quite-falling sand entity)
23:28 dante123 how come your resolution is so much better
23:28 dante123 than mine in that picture
23:28 VanessaE dante123: I use a custom texture pack.
23:28 dante123 which one
23:28 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1583
23:28 VanessaE that one.
23:30 dante123 ok
23:30 dante123 any ideas why i cant get rid of those little blocks
23:31 VanessaE did you sign out/in?  your server thinks you're dead :-)
23:32 dante123 i ended it and just restarted
23:32 VanessaE (you were laying down the whole time I was online)
23:32 dante123 hmm...thats not what I saw
23:32 dante123 come back in
23:32 VanessaE ok, now just walk up close, point the white crosshairs at the object, and left-click.
23:32 VanessaE hah!
23:32 VanessaE you're still lying down
23:32 VanessaE wtf?
23:33 VanessaE you exited to OS and restarted the client/server completely?
23:33 dante123 yes
23:33 dante123 could it be because this map was originally on windows server
23:33 VanessaE doubt it
23:34 VanessaE ok, experiment.  I'm going to "kill" you and see what happens
23:34 VanessaE wtf?
23:35 VanessaE "choppy 2, fleshy 3". tjay'
23:35 VanessaE "choppy 2, fleshy 3". that's normal
23:35 dante123 i may have turned off damage
23:35 VanessaE but "hp 0"??
23:35 jojoa1997|Tablet Lol
23:35 jojoa1997|Tablet My client never shut off
23:35 VanessaE try exiting to the menu, reset damage to "on", then start the server again
23:36 VanessaE then turn it back off again leter
23:36 VanessaE later*
23:36 jojoa1997|Tablet What you talking about sum it up I spent want tibread liogs
23:37 Kacey cgmr doesn't like the word sapling
23:37 jojoa1997|Tablet I don't want to read logs
23:38 VanessaE read 'em anyway :)
23:38 jojoa1997|Tablet Oh o saw way far h up
23:40 jojoa1997|Tablet Kettles sovkhozes Lazuli's Hackensack
23:40 jojoa1997|Tablet Oops wrong channel
23:41 Kacey lol Menche'sserver has a jungle tree infestation lol
23:41 jojoa1997|Tablet Ns help
23:41 jojoa1997|Tablet How do I do the help command for irc
23:41 jojoa1997|Tablet I want to add a name to my account here
23:42 VanessaE no idea
23:43 VanessaE try /help :-)
23:43 jojoa1997|Tablet /ns hekp
23:43 jojoa1997|Tablet Help
23:43 VanessaE you didn't say nickserv
23:44 kaeza VanessaE, /ns == /msg nickserv
23:44 kaeza :P
23:44 VanessaE I know that.
23:44 VanessaE I meant he never mentioned it before.
23:44 VanessaE I figured he wanted to set a custom nick for his client
23:44 jojoa1997|Tablet Nope
23:45 * kaeza wil read backlog and shut up from now on
23:45 kaeza +l
23:45 VanessaE heh
23:45 kaeza :P
23:46 jojoa1997|Tablet CAN I HAV MORE THAN 2 REGISTERED NAMES
23:46 VanessaE yes
23:46 jojoa1997|Tablet sorry caps
23:46 VanessaE you just need to tell nickserv they're all associated..something about groups I think
23:46 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, /nick newnick
23:46 kaeza then /ns group
23:47 kaeza (you must be logged into the account you want to group the nick to)
23:48 jojoa1997|OFF i already am on my account
23:49 jojoa1997_Tablet grrr
23:49 khonkhortisan what's the default drop item button?
23:49 PilzAdam q
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23:53 kaeza wut
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23:57 jojoa1997_Tablet how do i set the letter G or B to do something
23:57 Exio can't play with this computer :(
23:57 Exio 10 or 15 FPS in .. frets on fire
23:57 Exio jojoa1997_Tablet: what something and where
23:58 jojoa1997_Tablet ?
23:58 Exio [20:57:01] <jojoa1997_Tablet> how do i set the letter G or B to do something
23:58 jojoa1997_Tablet OH I WANT TO MAKE IT WHERE i press b and a fromspec opens or a function occurs
23:58 Exio ah
23:58 PilzAdam not possible with current API
23:59 jojoa1997_Tablet why
23:59 Exio because nobody coded that
23:59 jojoa1997_Tablet i know it isnt but i am taking myslef through the steps why
23:59 Exio go ahead, learn c++ and do it
23:59 PilzAdam because the server only gets the keys from the client that have a use
23:59 jojoa1997_Tablet why not let all the keys have a potential uses
23:59 PilzAdam see what Exio said

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