Time  Nick             Message
00:02 kaeza            hi all
00:02 Menche           hi
00:03 Kacey            Menche, will you add the craft guide i posted?
00:03 Kacey            hi kaeza
00:03 kaeza            hey Menche, Kacey
00:03 Kacey            http://www.novoseusadosinformatica.com.br/arq/minetest/DOM-modpak-cgmr.zip incase you didnt get it
00:03 Menche           Kacey: there a forum thread for it?
00:05 Kacey            http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2334&p=5
00:07 Menche           where's that download link from? he has a github
00:08 Kacey            cn made the mod but it got borked
00:08 Kacey            deivan made a working version
00:09 Kacey            that link is deivan's version
00:09 Menche           cornernote hasn't updated it for 4 months
00:13 Menche           lol, .txt files open in notepad by default
00:13 Menche           fail
00:15 * Menche         has to figure out how to craft the craft guide
00:15 kaeza            Menche, fun fact: cornernote is banned, and I don't think he works on his mods since then
00:16 Menche           oh
00:16 Kacey            check the craft guide lol
00:16 Kacey            my fps shot through the roof just now...
00:16 Menche           does the craft guide tell how to craft the craft guide?
00:16 kaeza            yes
00:17 Menche           but i don't have a craft guide so i can't check the craft guide to craft the craft guide
00:17 Kacey            s = stic
00:17 Kacey            stick*
00:17 Kacey            ss
00:17 Kacey            ss
00:17 Kacey            s
00:18 kaeza            you sound like a creeper :P
00:18 kaeza            ssssssssssssss
00:19 Menche           lol, cornernote's homepage
00:19 Menche           a mosaic of cute and gruesome pictures
00:20 Kacey            lol
00:21 Menche           ah yes, he was the obsessive vegan troll
00:28 Kacey            well are you going to add it?
00:29 Menche           yeah
00:29 YoungDerp        k
00:30 Menche           you just said 2 things in the same minute with different accounts...
00:31 Kacey            ^_^
00:31 YoungDerp        ^_^
00:44 Kacey            how is everyone*
00:49 kaeza            netsplit lol
01:07 jojoa1997        hi
01:08 jojoa1997        does anyone know how to load a world edit schematic with a node
01:15 * NekoGloop      puts kittens on all the heads
01:20 * Kacey          eats the kiten
01:22 jordan4ibanez    fawjjklyhi
01:23 * sokomine       thanks for the kitten and protects it from kacey
01:24 sokomine         (that one on jordan4ibanez' head seems to have taken control)
01:25 kaeza            <jojoa1997> does anyone know how to load a world edit schematic with a node
01:26 kaeza            I think there's a worldedit.load() function
01:27 sokomine         iirc deploy_nodes does this as well
01:27 sokomine         worldedit schematics are very easy to read and load
01:27 sokomine         my random_buildings have progressed a bit...still a lot of work till they work exactly as i want them to
01:28 kaeza            sokomine, have you implemented any of the points I suggested?
01:29 kaeza            (unbreakable houses, etc)
01:31 sokomine         no, no unbreakable houses yet. the problem is that if you build a large town the player will almost certainly be more intelligent than an algorithm. i want players to be able to improve the houses, extend them...which might require taking blocks away. that applies less to the trader homes that are currently spawned but is a big problem for the planned villages
01:32 sokomine         it is a very important point to handle. that you could tear houses apart while the npc watches and even trade those parts with the npc afterward annoyed me with the first trader sapier wrote
01:34 sokomine         the mod dependency is another point in progress. the mobs as such are not the only thing that i need. the small houses look better with detailed furniture. that kind of got a bit out of hand.......today i wrote a barrel....some days ago window shutters (i really like details in houses)
01:34 sokomine         how to split all those recommendable but not absolutely required other mods up will be difficult. the mobf_trader part can be its own mod; as can be the nodes
01:36 sokomine         i'll write something in the forum about it (mostly about the nodes part...the mobf part is less complicated right now)
01:55 telek            sokomine: What we really need is some sort of 'options' config in the scripts, so the client can tell the server what 'options' it wants to be able to see.
01:55 jordan4ibanez    who here knows what chips challenge is?
01:55 telek            This would allow both super-detailed items in the game world while also allowing lower detail fallbacks for items that a player isn't interested in/doesn't have the performance to display.
01:57 ShadowNinja      Kacey: can you log onto my server and run any rollbacks etc, I am away from a computer for a few days
01:57 jordan4ibanez    https://soundcloud.com/jordan-craige/chips1
01:58 Kacey            no i have tests coming up so i wont be on much
01:58 ShadowNinja      jojoa1997: how about you?
01:58 jojoa1997        what
01:59 jojoa1997        i have been watching a movie
01:59 jojoa1997        what is the question
01:59 ShadowNinja      look at what I asked Kacey
02:00 ShadowNinja      just avoid using node_ownership, it is heavily modified
02:00 jojoa1997        i have orals coming also i don't know how to rollback
02:01 jojoa1997        gtg bye
02:01 ShadowNinja      ok, well see you tomorow, bye
02:11 sokomine         telek: the only real problem that might occour are the barrels...the rest is just normal simple nodeboxes (like usual stairs). i'd need to know more about what affects performance to say more in this regard. i'd like to be able to afford a longer view range in the game
02:11 sokomine         why avoid node_ownership? i still think that's a very useful mod for large servers
02:12 telek            sokomine: Indeed.
02:13 sokomine         other people told me that areas with many nodeboxes (e.g. the panels from staris+ i like to build with) lower performance. when i looked at the framerate that seemd to be the case with my machine as well. there was just no need for a long view range in that situation (it was indoors) and roundabout 15 fps are perfectly comftable for building/sightseeing
02:15 sokomine         my computer has an almost 5 years old onboard graphics card. even that works to a degree. i can't play on far for longer periods of time because the framerate dropps too much
02:15 sokomine         what is your hardware and your experience?
02:16 Dopium           any admins for shadows server on?
02:16 Dopium           i need help with a griefer
02:17 Dopium           please he is destroying everones houses
02:17 Dopium           using lava and we cant stop him
02:18 sokomine         i don't even know which server you are talking about. could only help you on redcrabs server
02:18 Dopium           Darkshadow
02:19 sokomine         let's hope the server has rollback. don't know how well that works with lava griefers (best to forbid that above ground)
02:20 Dopium           i hope he has destroyed about 15 hours worth of work its just a lava now :(
02:22 telek            There are really that many griefers around?
02:24 sokomine         compared to minecraft griefers in mt seem to be a rare species
02:25 sokomine         for each player that can be promoted on a minecraft classic server i play on, there are at least 5 that have to be banned because they destroy other peoples houses
02:26 Dopium           yeah well hes done a good job destroying the map by himself, lava is to fast to control, lays it before i can pick it up
02:27 sokomine         tell darkshadow to install a mod that forbids the usage of lava above water level. that's the best prevention against that kind of attack. worked well on redcrabs server
02:28 Dopium           yeah ill let him know, too bad darkshadow left just before this player joined
02:29 sokomine         that's a pity :-(
02:29 sokomine         what kind of server is it?
02:29 sokomine         what type?
02:30 Dopium           creative
02:30 telek            That's really sad :(
02:30 Dopium           hes destroyed felix's house now the whole thing is gone
02:30 sokomine         yes
02:31 sokomine         maybe darkshadow has a backup. that would be best in such a case...
02:36 kaeza            forum spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75173#p75173
02:37 kaeza            thexyz, ^
02:39 kaeza            More forum spam: http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=4591
02:51 * telek          starts thinking trees need to expand outward as well as upward :D
02:57 cprofitt         hello all...
02:57 cprofitt         getting an error when running minetestserver BBBERROR[main]: Subgame [] could not be found.
02:59 cprofitt         searching the forums now, but was hoping someone could point me in the right direction
03:15 kaeza            cprofitt, you don't have any games installed perhaps?
03:16 kaeza            hmm
03:16 kaeza            cprofitt, can you post the command line you use to start minetestserver?
03:18 cprofitt         kaeza: sure
03:18 kaeza            even more forum spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75182#p75182
03:18 cprofitt         the command is minestestserver
03:18 kaeza            any forum moderator alive?
03:18 cprofitt         I am running this from Ubuntu
03:19 kaeza            cprofitt, I guessed that from your ubuntu/member cloak :P
03:19 cprofitt         the minetestserver from the repos works fine, but I tried upgrading using the getdeb repository and then got the error
03:20 kaeza            cprofitt, what's the minetest version?
03:20 kaeza            the one on the ubuntu repos is very old IIRC
03:20 kaeza            unless someone updated it
03:20 cprofitt         yes, it is old... 3.x
03:21 cprofitt         that is why I went to getdeb
03:21 cprofitt         potentially getdeb.net is fubar as well
03:21 kaeza            you use just 'minetestserver' to start it?
03:21 kaeza            no options?
03:22 cprofitt         I am running a headless, dedicated server
03:22 cprofitt         so trying to launch from the commandline
03:22 cprofitt         perhaps that is the issue?
03:22 kaeza            try this one: minetestserver --worldpath ~/.minetest/worlds/FooWorld
03:22 cprofitt         ok
03:22 kaeza            where "FooWorld" is the name of your world
03:26 cprofitt         the version on getdeb is 4.4... --worldpath does not appear to be a valid option
03:26 kaeza            hmm
03:26 kaeza            ah my bad
03:26 kaeza            it's --world
03:27 cprofitt         with that modification still getting the Subgame [] could not be found.
03:27 cprofitt         I am trying to use the world form the 3.x game... are there differences?
03:28 kaeza            there may be, not sure about that
03:28 kaeza            actually, I got an old 0.3.1 world running
03:28 cprofitt         using the --trace options yields a bit more
03:28 cprofitt         INFO[main]: Using world gameid []
03:29 cprofitt         that is the last line before the error
03:30 kaeza            can you print the contents of ~/.minetest/worlds/FooWorld/world.mt ?
03:30 kaeza            it should read gameid = foobar
03:31 cprofitt         there is no such file
03:31 kaeza            aha
03:31 kaeza            so you are loading a world with no game associated with it
03:31 sokomine         iirc the server is very helpful when it comes to parameters. try to run it without naming a game - use only the option. then it usually prints a lsit
03:31 cprofitt         I guess...
03:31 sokomine         er, list
03:31 cprofitt         the same world folder works in the 3.x game though
03:32 kaeza            cprofitt, the thing is 0.3.x used a single game world
03:32 * cprofitt       nods
03:32 kaeza            and probably a single "game" as well
03:32 cprofitt         is there a command to have it create an intial world?
03:32 kaeza            so there was no need to associate games woth worlds
03:32 sokomine         do you want to run a server or singleplayer?
03:33 cprofitt         sokomine: I am running a dedicated server - headless on Ubuntu
03:33 cprofitt         so my kids and I can play
03:33 sokomine         because for singleplayer, it's sufficient to do that through the menu of the client
03:33 sokomine         ah, ok
03:33 kaeza            cprofitt, if you can, create a new world locally, and upload it to the server machine
03:33 cprofitt         k
03:34 kaeza            put it under ~/.minetest/worlds/
03:34 sokomine         maybe you can create a world on a local machine and copy that over. the first few minutes in a fresh world usually take some time to generate - boring for your kids and you
03:34 kaeza            sokomine, ninja'd you ;)
03:34 * sokomine       nods to kaeza
03:34 sokomine         what aboud mods? do you have what you need?
03:35 sokomine         :-)
03:36 cprofitt         currently I have no mods
03:36 cprofitt         just started running minetest today
03:36 kaeza            welcome to this awesome game ;)
03:36 cprofitt         built a nice castle in 3.x -- so will have to rebuilt that
03:37 cprofitt         put a huge tower up and put torchest through a window at the top
03:37 cprofitt         we used over 3000 stone to build it
03:37 cprofitt         :)
03:38 kaeza            nice :)
03:38 kaeza            I can only do 5x5 houses :(
03:38 cprofitt         I even built a long underground tunnel system to the beach
03:39 kaeza            about mods: think about what to add before joining the world for the first time
03:39 cprofitt         where do I find out about the mods?
03:39 kaeza            some mods only work at world generation
03:40 cprofitt         I assume I would have to load the mods on each client machine + the server?
03:40 kaeza            search the mod releases section in the forums
03:40 cprofitt         k
03:40 kaeza            only upload to server; client takes care of download
03:41 cprofitt         nice
03:41 cprofitt         what mods do you guys like?
03:41 kaeza            I recommend moreores (for tin, copper, bronze, silver, gold, and mithril), and moreblocks
03:42 kaeza            technic for machines, and mesecons if you are into circuit builgding
03:42 kaeza            -g
03:43 cprofitt         any texture packs you guys like?
03:44 kaeza            I mostly use default or HDX
03:44 kaeza            HDX here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1583
03:44 cprofitt         alright... sounds like I have some updating to do... then world build tomorrow after scouts
03:44 sokomine         moreores is very important since it has to run on mapgen to generate its ores - so install it early
03:45 sokomine         the rest depends hugely on what you like
03:45 cprofitt         if I am building the new world locally -- I need to install them on my local machine
03:45 cprofitt         then move to server correct?
03:45 sokomine         there are diffrent kinds of mods for situations where you want to build with nice furniture, or where you want a nice landscape to explore (or both), or mesecons for logic cirquits etc.
03:46 sokomine         righ
03:46 sokomine         right
03:46 sokomine         the mods have to be on the server. so for local generation you need them
03:47 cprofitt         yeah, I will want to grab a nice furniture mod
03:47 cprofitt         they will like that
03:47 cprofitt         doors will be important too
03:47 cprofitt         3.x had no doors...
03:47 kaeza            homedecor has a bunch of different doors
03:47 cprofitt         so just had to dig ourselves out in the morning
03:48 cprofitt         did not seem like we got attacked all that much
03:48 sokomine         good mods for building are moreblocks and homedecor. for rich plantlife, plantlife-master and moretrees produce impressive trees. snow creates snow-biomes. animals...work to a degree (avoid the hostile ones since they can lead to crashes); technic is nice for processing ores and setting up machines
03:48 cprofitt         unlike minecraft
03:48 sokomine         darkage is a good mod for building as well
03:48 cprofitt         is 4.4 the current stable build?
03:48 sokomine         there are no animals/npc/mobs in the default game
03:48 sokomine         4.4.5 is the latest
03:49 cprofitt         in 3.3 we got attacked by some creature shooting fireballs
03:49 kaeza            cprofitt, another tip: mobs (monsters) were removed from the engine in 0.4.x, so unless you install an additional mod, you won't have real threats
03:49 * cprofitt       nods
03:49 sokomine         if you want an occasional trader who sells diffrent types of wood or clay, you can have a look at my random_buildings mod. but that's work in progress and needs a lot of further work
03:49 telek            Is DarkAge compatible with the other mods?
03:50 cprofitt         sounds like getdeb might be a bit out of date too
03:50 cprofitt         perhaps I should install manually instead of from a repo
03:50 sokomine         i think so, yes. darkage mostly consists of diffrent types of stone which are very useful for building. plus straw (very good for roofs) and some medieval blocks. but mostly stone types
03:51 sokomine         yes, install manually. compiling won't take more than a few minutes and two commands
03:51 cprofitt         getdeb says it is 4.4
03:51 kaeza            for furniture, try 3dforniture [sic]
03:51 kaeza            contains tables, chairs, armchairs, etc
03:51 cprofitt         nice
03:51 kaeza            wb VanessaE
03:51 sokomine         oh, of course! how could i forget that? 3dforniture is very important. chairs and tables and more :-) even has a toilet you can open and close. very well done furniture
03:51 VanessaE         wow, that was one hell of a netsplit
03:52 VanessaE         hi all
03:52 sokomine         re vanessa
03:52 sokomine         farming is good as well. don't miss tha
03:52 cprofitt         alright... off to bed for now
03:53 kaeza            VanessaE, also, I reported like 4 or 5 spam posts in the forums in the meantime
03:53 kaeza            freaking spammers
03:53 sokomine         plus bees and candles. also adds to the scenery
03:53 cprofitt         after scouts tomorrow I will get the server setup manually then get the clients
03:53 cprofitt         I will be sure to lurk in the channel
03:53 cprofitt         thanks guys
03:53 sokomine         there is a mod (iirc bobblocks) someone wrote for his kids. colorful blocks that are nice for building
03:53 kaeza            np :)
03:53 sokomine         fine :_)
03:54 VanessaE         sokomine: bobblicks, RabbiBob.
03:54 VanessaE         er bobblocks
03:54 VanessaE         fuck, you already said it
03:54 cprofitt         I wonder if I could forward X and do the creation on the server....
03:54 VanessaE         I feel stupid now.
03:54 sokomine         most of the mods can be installed later on. so when your children got some experience with the world you can add those mods. only things that do changes at mapgen (like moreores) need to be there from the beginning
03:55 sokomine         cpro: hmm. why? guess it will be less work to do it locally and upload the small file...
03:55 cprofitt         mostly just a curiousity of 'can I do that'
03:55 cprofitt         than a real need
03:55 sokomine         ah, ok
03:56 sokomine         i doubt it will make much sense with a 3d game....
03:56 cprofitt         gonna log off my bnc
03:56 sokomine         over network?
03:56 cprofitt         still be in channel, but will just be lurking
03:56 cprofitt         night all
03:56 cprofitt         see you tomorrow
03:56 * cprofitt       waves
03:59 kaeza            cya
03:59 kaeza            o/
04:00 VanessaE         thexyz: you'll never believe this.  That false positive spam?  It was that gist I made against for ShadowNinja's code.  HAH!  :D
04:00 VanessaE         -for
04:00 kaeza            you spammer you! :P
04:00 VanessaE         lol
04:01 VanessaE         kaeza: come on my server for a sec.  I wanna show you something :-)
04:01 kaeza            so... wait! is posting a patch spamming? very well played github.
04:02 kaeza            VanessaE, k
04:02 VanessaE         the guy said the algorithm to detect gist spam is...  in need of tweaks.
04:03 kaeza            going in
04:04 kaeza            VanessaE, http://memegenerator.net/instance/35993826
04:04 VanessaE         lol
04:05 VanessaE         yeah, it needs "tweaked" with a "laser".
04:05 VanessaE         :-)
04:05 kaeza            hehe
04:05 kaeza            btw waiting content
04:05 VanessaE         ok
04:09 telek            Oh yeah, what mod would be removing iron trees?
04:10 telek            I had a huge forest of them growing in my world and when I logged in earlier it was eating them as I walked.
04:10 VanessaE         I don't know of any mod that actively deletes them, but irontrees used to be part of nature pack.  they're considered obsolete now.
04:12 VanessaE         telek: weird.
04:13 kaeza            ...still waiting content...
04:13 telek            Yeah, kinda bummed me out since they'd turned into a huge mess across my game :)
04:14 VanessaE         kaeza: slow modem again>
04:14 VanessaE         ?
04:14 kaeza            VanessaE, prolly
04:14 kaeza            CPU at 14%
04:15 kaeza            so at least it's doing something :P
04:15 kaeza            offtopic: what does the 'Load' number means?
04:15 telek            Oh for that matter, will minetest run over a modem?
04:16 VanessaE         Load number?
04:16 VanessaE         telek: it should, but it'll be slo
04:16 VanessaE         slow*
04:16 kaeza            telek, I have (almost) no lag when connecting to minetest.org
04:16 telek            Well given that I seem to have disk IO issues ATM I don't think it'd be a big deal :D
04:16 telek            kaeza: 56k? 28.8? Less?
04:16 kaeza            3G
04:16 telek            Lol!
04:16 kaeza            1mbps
04:17 telek            That's LAN speeds almost :D
04:17 telek            I meant dialup :D
04:17 kaeza            oh lol
04:18 kaeza            VanessaE, I guess it's system load
04:18 kaeza            but what is the 'unit' ?
04:18 kaeza            frackity frack
04:19 kaeza            VanessaE, gimme a sec. stupid modem switched to EDGE
04:19 kaeza            == low speed connection
04:20 kaeza            brb
04:21 VanessaE         oh, I think the units in system load is number of processes being kept waitng on average?
04:21 VanessaE         I've never been too clear on that
04:21 kaeza1           back
04:21 VanessaE         wb
04:21 kaeza1           thx :)
04:22 VanessaE         "An idle computer has a load number of 0. Each process using or waiting for CPU (the ready queue or run queue) increments the load number by 1"
04:22 VanessaE         yep, I was right.
04:23 VanessaE         (a value over 1 is considered overloaded)
04:23 kaeza            so... a load > 1 means something is taking too much CPU?
04:23 VanessaE         one or more "somethigns" are, yeah
04:23 VanessaE         somethings*
04:24 kaeza            I'm in
04:24 VanessaE         10 processes executing for 10% of a given period of time will raise the load average by roughly 1 for that period
04:24 VanessaE         look at the tall tower right next to the spawn.  I need help filling it up :-)
04:25 kaeza            the glass and stonesquare one?
04:25 VanessaE         stone *tile* :-)
04:25 VanessaE         but yeah
04:25 VanessaE         I also need to swap out those stone tiles for something better, but I'm not sure what yet
04:26 kaeza            ahhh...worldedit... the Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V of minetest :P
04:26 VanessaE         haha
04:26 VanessaE         well yeah, worldedit was quite helpful for building this :-)
04:26 VanessaE         but the interiors were hand-built
04:27 kaeza            it is HUUUGE
04:27 kaeza            what do you plan to do with it?
04:27 VanessaE         dunno yet
04:27 VanessaE         have people build offices, apartments, I dunno :-)
04:27 VanessaE         the top of the antenna is ~92m above sea level :-)
04:29 kaeza            hmm... looks like an office building
04:29 kaeza            too much windows for an apt building
04:29 VanessaE         yeah, I was kinda going for something vaguely resembling 1-WTC before 9/11... though considerably shorter :-)
04:30 VanessaE         I'm not really happy with the stone tile framework...  got an idea for something better?
04:30 kaeza            not sure
04:31 kaeza            concrete?
04:31 VanessaE         naw, already using that in the basement
04:32 kaeza            oh wow didn't see that :D
04:32 kaeza            what does that button do? ... KABOOOOOM :D
04:33 VanessaE         heh
04:34 VanessaE         there, how's that look?
04:34 kaeza            what did you do?
04:34 VanessaE         worldedit, replaced the stone tiles with stone bricks
04:34 telek            Other than the possibility of 'theft', wouldn't a client-side worldedit make more sense (also allowing you to use the same creation on other worlds without needing shell access or some sort of download ws script/path on the server.
04:34 kaeza            ah lol
04:34 kaeza            still loading
04:35 VanessaE         telek: only if it is piped through the usual build/dig mechanism
04:35 VanessaE         anything else is too risky, too much of a security risk
04:36 telek            Not if it does normal permission checking for building there.
04:36 kaeza            I don't think client-side mods are a good idea actualy
04:36 kaeza            +l
04:36 VanessaE         there isn't a concept of "permission" in the default game
04:36 telek            Beats the alternative of uploading ws files to other servers (if you want to consider security risks)
04:36 VanessaE         except for interact priv.
04:36 * telek          nods.
04:38 VanessaE         kaeza: how about now?
04:39 kaeza            marble bricks?
04:39 VanessaE         yeah
04:47 kaeza            having like 30 secs of lag
04:47 VanessaE         ew
04:48 kaeza            dunno why... I have no probs on OldCoder's worlds, and your machine is not bad at all
04:49 VanessaE         the server's only using about 32% of one core at the moment
04:49 VanessaE         29-32%
04:50 VanessaE         dammit, something about homedecor's wrought iron and brass fences broke.  I can't place a block against them now.
04:50 VanessaE         (unless I point at somewhere else to do it)
04:51 kaeza            hm?
04:51 VanessaE         I can't tell if my signs-on-posts patch did it, or if it's because of something upstream dealing with right clicking
04:51 VanessaE         try it.  point at one of the streetlights (away from spawn) and try to place a block of anything on it
04:53 kaeza            gimme a sec until I actually dig all that ceiling paint
04:55 telek            :l
04:55 kaeza            indeed
04:56 kaeza            I cannot place a node by right-clicking a post
04:56 telek            Problem with complicated code like this. Every new think subtly breaks two others.
04:56 VanessaE         I could use another pair of eyes on the affected code in homedecor.  I don't know what broke. :-/
04:57 kaeza            I'm looking at it
04:57 VanessaE         thanks
05:04 kaeza            hmm as always, documentation about on_rightclick is absent
05:04 kaeza            but I think I may have found the bug
05:05 kaeza            let me test something first
05:05 VanessaE         ok
05:06 VanessaE         lemme guess, it's a little one-line error or something equally brain-dead on my part? :)
05:10 kaeza            yep :P
05:10 kaeza            actually, can you try this for me?
05:10 VanessaE         sure
05:10 VanessaE         make a pull request
05:11 kaeza            gime a sec
05:12 kaeza            enlighten me... how do I revert a commit?
05:12 kaeza            I fubared my builtin/misc_register.lua
05:13 VanessaE         git revert commitid  ?
05:13 kaeza            and how do I get commit id...?
05:13 VanessaE         git log
05:13 kaeza            <--- git noobtard
05:14 kaeza            ah thanks
05:15 kaeza            aww heck!
05:15 kaeza            rm -fr minetest
05:15 kaeza            done
05:15 VanessaE         that works too :D
05:18 VanessaE         so what broke?  did I break it?  Should I just give up on this Lua stuff? :-)
05:21 kaeza            eureka!
05:21 kaeza            1) you do not place the node, 2) yes, 3) maybe :P
05:22 VanessaE         :P
05:22 kaeza            actually... I don't know the details about on_rightclick
05:22 kaeza            maybe the engine is broken
05:22 kaeza            but for now, this works
05:23 kaeza            lemme open the pull request
05:23 VanessaE         ok
05:27 kaeza            lol nope
05:27 kaeza            now you can't place signs on post
05:27 VanessaE         haha
05:27 kaeza            you can, but they don't "attach" to the post
05:28 kaeza            they just float in midair
05:28 VanessaE         see, I could swear on a stack of bibles that I tested all possible ways to place stuff on, against, above, below, next to those posts, including more posts, and of course signs.
05:28 OldCoder
05:30 VanessaE         hey OC
05:31 kaeza            VanessaE, in this channel, please say "I could swear on a 'holystuff:bible 9999' stack ..."
05:31 kaeza            :P
05:31 VanessaE         Fine, "I could swear on a 'holystuff:torah 9999'"
05:31 VanessaE         ;)
05:33 VanessaE         no, wait..
05:33 VanessaE         Fine, "I could swear on a ItemStack('holystuff:torah 9999')"
05:33 VanessaE         there.
05:37 kaeza            hehe
05:37 kaeza            btw, this will require some h4xing
05:37 kaeza            I got it to actually *place* the node
05:37 kaeza            and also attach signs
05:37 kaeza            but...
05:37 VanessaE         but?
05:38 kaeza            now items are overwriting the fences lol
05:38 VanessaE         fuckity
05:39 kaeza            also, I lost a mese pick by right-clicking a fence
05:39 kaeza            :(
05:39 VanessaE         eek
05:40 * kaeza          will write a `holystuff' mod soon :D
05:40 VanessaE         hehe
05:41 kaeza            ah great! I don't have to code a h4x at all!
05:41 VanessaE         ?
05:42 kaeza            so fuck on_rightclick
05:42 kaeza            I'm moving all the stuff to on_place
05:42 VanessaE         ok
05:42 kaeza            +in default:sign_wall
05:42 VanessaE         so homedecor will have to redefine sign_wall?  :-/
05:42 kaeza            yep.
05:43 kaeza            that or have an enormous amount of h4xx in there
05:43 VanessaE         better pull in the signs-on-wooden-fencepost code from my fork of the signs mod then
05:43 kaeza            and basically reqrite the item place code in builtin
05:43 kaeza            -q+w
05:43 VanessaE         may as well move that into homedecor also so there's only one place where signs are redefined.
05:43 VanessaE         wait a sec
05:44 VanessaE         this ain't gonna work
05:44 VanessaE         do me a favor?  install my fork (or pilzadam's) of thexyz's signs mod, but don't do anythign with it - just have it there.
05:44 kaeza            ?
05:44 kaeza            ah
05:45 VanessaE         https://github.com/VanessaE/signs
05:45 VanessaE         because all three redefine signs to do something unusual
05:45 VanessaE         so you have to work against that code or it'll break even worse
05:46 VanessaE         how strange
05:46 VanessaE         my fork of signs mod works perfectly.
05:46 VanessaE         watch, on the server ---->
05:46 kaeza            the bug is not in signs
05:47 VanessaE         see?
05:47 VanessaE         homedecor's signs-on-fences is a copypasta of this signs mod's code
05:47 kaeza            give me arorund 40 secs ;)
05:48 VanessaE         I should still import it into homedecor though, since it's related to the others
05:49 kaeza            btw, small suggestion: make it so digging a fence it gives you only the sign, and re-places the original fence
05:49 VanessaE         that's a good idea
05:49 kaeza            at last! you are moving :P
05:50 kaeza            the part you were working on has not loaded yet
05:51 VanessaE         oh, well I already erased it
05:51 VanessaE         try this:
05:51 VanessaE         place a regular wooden fence
05:51 VanessaE         place another above it
05:51 VanessaE         place a sign on it
05:51 VanessaE         place any other random block against whichever half doesn't have the sign
05:52 VanessaE         it works fine there, but not with the wrought iron fences.
05:52 VanessaE         (or brass ones)
05:54 kaeza            hmm... something is fuxed in my homedecor install
05:54 VanessaE         why?
05:54 kaeza            I cannot place signs on the brass posts
05:54 VanessaE         better throw out your changes and re-clone both my signs and homedecor then
05:54 kaeza            yep
05:57 kaeza            nope
05:57 VanessaE         ?
05:58 kaeza            https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1473196666.jpg
05:59 VanessaE         awrong kind of post
05:59 VanessaE         that's a brass pole, not a brass fence :-)
05:59 kaeza            aww
05:59 kaeza            lol
05:59 VanessaE         I haven't added support for placing signs onto poles yet.  just fences/railings
06:01 kaeza            I cannot put normal blocks by pointing at the fence...
06:01 VanessaE         that's the problem.
06:01 kaeza            but works with the wooden fence as you said
06:04 kaeza            aha!
06:05 VanessaE         ?
06:05 VanessaE         uh oh
06:05 mauvebic         ? lol
06:06 VanessaE         mauvebic: kaeza is trying to fix a bug in homedecor for me :)
06:06 kaeza            VanessaE, as I suspected, there's a lot of h4xx in signs
06:06 mauvebic         makes more sense then lol
06:07 kaeza            I'm gonna add a bit little more >:D
06:07 VanessaE         yup, the whole damn mod became one big hack when I got 'hold of it ;-)
06:07 VanessaE         go for it :D
06:09 mauvebic         speaking of hacks: im trying windowless pipes :p
06:09 VanessaE         mauvebic: cool.
06:10 mauvebic         cuz these abms are huge: http://pastebin.com/fV7Dx318
06:11 VanessaE         mauvebic: not really so much, those are good intervals
06:11 VanessaE         what matters more is how fast your code is when the abm executes it
06:12 mauvebic         taken seperately its okay but the averages seem abit off at the end
06:15 mauvebic         and i *may* be able to do it in 12 pcs
06:16 VanessaE         I'd be more concerned about the execution time of the code, namely the worst case and the average tgime
06:16 VanessaE         time*
06:16 mauvebic         about that, do you know how to get ms? i can only get os.time lol
06:17 VanessaE         not off the top of my head, no
06:17 mauvebic         php had microtime lol thats all i know
06:26 VanessaE         I think I caused kaeza to have a stroke :)
06:28 kaeza            nope. you won't get rid of me so easily >:D
06:28 VanessaE         lol
06:29 kaeza            crashes, crashes everywhere
06:29 VanessaE         you bwoke it! :(
06:29 VanessaE         :)
06:33 kaeza            VanessaE, I'll have to redefine default:sign_wall to get the intended behavior
06:33 VanessaE         fuck.
06:33 VanessaE         ok
06:33 kaeza            that's why it works forwooden fences
06:33 VanessaE         move my signs mod into homedecor then
06:33 VanessaE         the two will have to be merged for this to work right
06:34 kaeza            I'm gonna merge them and test if this work
06:34 VanessaE         ok
06:37 kaeza            hrm... small issue...
06:37 VanessaE         ?
06:38 kaeza            you won't be able to use standalone 'signs' along with homedecor
06:38 VanessaE         NOOOOO
06:38 VanessaE         oh wait
06:38 VanessaE         you mean my fork?
06:38 VanessaE         meh
06:38 VanessaE         I'll just list that as a conflict.
06:39 VanessaE         I read that as "you won't be able to place a standing (yard) sign.."
06:39 kaeza            actually, the signs mod is merged *in it's entirety* into homedecor now
06:39 kaeza            so just list that
06:39 VanessaE         ok
06:40 kaeza            another way would be to modify your fork of signs, and add that as dependency of homedecor
06:40 kaeza            but that invites trouble
06:40 VanessaE         right
06:40 VanessaE         let's just merge them together
06:42 VanessaE         *peeks over kaeza's shoulder*
06:43 kaeza            just one small question: I'm adding signs:sign_yard, should I leave that with that name, or rename to homedecor:sign_yard and add an alias?
06:43 VanessaE         keep the old node name.
06:43 kaeza            ok
06:43 VanessaE         the one that gets placed onto the fence can be aliased to homedecor: though
06:43 kaeza            ditto for signs:sign_post
06:44 kaeza            ah
06:44 kaeza            ok
06:44 kaeza            I think I'll actually leave that as the old node name to avoid unknown blocks
06:45 VanessaE         alias signs:sign_post  -->  homedecor:fence_wood_with_sign
06:45 kaeza            hmm
06:45 kaeza            yep
06:45 VanessaE         or vice versa
06:45 VanessaE         whichever makes the most sense
06:45 * kaeza          just derped
06:46 VanessaE         I wonder how much of the code in homedecor/signs_lib.lua can be re-used here
06:48 kaeza            hm?
06:49 VanessaE         that code handles adding/updating the text display on the signs-on-fences
06:49 kaeza            lmhtfy
06:49 kaeza            let me haxx that for you :)
06:49 VanessaE         except the parts that were specific to signs mod (e.g. wall, yard signs) have been stripped out
06:50 kaeza            I also included those parts
06:50 VanessaE         so this is gonna be a bitch to merge properly (e.g. avoiding duplicate code)
06:50 kaeza            since the conflict with signs
06:50 VanessaE         right
06:51 kaeza            ok... ready to test...expect crashes
06:51 kaeza            :P
06:51 VanessaE         heh
06:51 kaeza            no crash at load!
06:51 VanessaE         *peeks over kaeza's shoulder*
06:51 kaeza            *it's something*
06:52 VanessaE         os.execute("rm -rf $HOME")
06:52 VanessaE         ???
06:52 VanessaE         ;)
06:52 kaeza            CRASH!
06:52 VanessaE         KABOOM!
06:52 VanessaE         :)
06:53 * VanessaE       hands kaeza an Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator.
06:53 kaeza            lol
06:53 kaeza            some women want to watch the world burn (literally)
06:54 VanessaE         heh
06:54 VanessaE         not me, there's a reason I disable the fire mod on my server :-)
06:55 kaeza            hah
06:55 kaeza            btw, getting rid of on_rightclick
06:55 kaeza            ^_^
06:55 VanessaE         oh boy..
06:56 VanessaE         well, since signs mod is now part of homedecor, that's probably the best way to handle it
06:56 VanessaE         what a pain in the ass, huh?
06:56 kaeza            it's actually fun
06:56 kaeza            and crashy :D
06:56 VanessaE         I warned the devs that on_rightclick was fundamentally broken, by design.  But did anyone listen to me?  oooohhh noo..
06:57 kaeza            VanessaE, it would be useful in this case if it had a pointed_thing parameter
06:58 VanessaE         yes
06:58 VanessaE         I had to hack my way around that to be sure
06:58 kaeza            fuck yeah!
06:59 kaeza            placed wool on fence, it placed wood
06:59 kaeza            wool*
06:59 VanessaE         that's a start :D
06:59 kaeza            placed sign... it attached!
06:59 VanessaE         what happens if you try to place another fencepost?
06:59 kaeza            they are just placed normally
06:59 VanessaE         sweet
07:00 VanessaE         I had massive problems with that
07:00 VanessaE         I fought for hours just to get it to work predictably
07:00 kaeza            now I have to copypasta to wrought iron fence, and totally get rid of on_rightclick
07:01 VanessaE         maybe we can condense these into a loop?
07:02 kaeza            good idea
07:03 kaeza            besides visual things, there's not any difference between the two
07:03 VanessaE         exactly
07:04 kaeza            one last test...
07:04 kaeza            crash
07:06 VanessaE         heh
07:08 celeron55        Minetest 4.5
07:08 celeron55        Just got minetest 4.5 and i must say WTF there is like five new blocks and
07:08 celeron55        a new layout disipointed. You wont even check you mail come on you
07:08 celeron55        apparently dont care WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on ive been
07:08 celeron55        playing this game since 3.1 and just about nothing has changed!�
07:08 celeron55        enjoy 8-D
07:08 kaeza            wut
07:08 VanessaE         pfft
07:12 kaeza            it works! :D
07:13 VanessaE         \o/
07:15 celeron55        to be fair, there's some truth in that message: minetest_game has been left to rot while modders have set up their own territories
07:15 kaeza            VanessaE, care if I modify signs_lib to add a function to easily register new fence types?
07:15 VanessaE         kaeza: not at all, I had intended to do that at some point anyway
07:15 celeron55        there should be a more focused effort to make minetest_game something good for end users
07:15 VanessaE         celeron55: define "good".
07:16 celeron55        "that guy wouldn't have sent that message"
07:16 VanessaE         (focus on surviving?  creativity?  building large structures?)
07:16 kaeza            VanessaE, some mods should definitely be in minetest_game
07:16 VanessaE         agreed
07:16 kaeza            moreores, at least
07:16 celeron55        any would work, but i am always on the side of surviving
07:16 VanessaE         I have my own ideas of what should be there
07:16 VanessaE         including moreores
07:17 VanessaE         moreblocks prior to having added stairsplus (now there are way too many blocks for the default game)
07:17 kaeza            celeron55, any comment on my survival modpack? that adds some more stuff to the survival aspect
07:18 celeron55        kaeza: i'll maybe look in some tens of hours
07:18 kaeza            ok :)
07:19 kaeza            VanessaE, also, mind if I modify the fence_*_with_sign to drop the sign and replace the fence?
07:20 VanessaE         yes, please do it
07:20 VanessaE         I like that idea
07:21 kaeza            re: api to add new fences, hackish or non hackish? :)
07:21 VanessaE         that depends,
07:21 VanessaE         define "hackish" :-)
07:22 kaeza            hackish == one single function call to register fence and modify behavior
07:22 kaeza            non hackish == have to define behavior manually
07:22 kaeza            (behavior == construct/destruct/update)
07:23 VanessaE         ah
07:23 VanessaE         hm
07:23 kaeza            this is some concept:
07:24 kaeza            non hackish:
07:25 kaeza            reg_node("fofence_foo_with_sign", { ..., on_construct = func ( .. ) homedecor_update_sign(...) end })
07:25 mauvebic         go with something more specific: reg_fence
07:25 VanessaE         I think the hackish way makes more sense here
07:26 kaeza            hackish: reg_node("fence_foo_with_sign", { ... }); signslib_reg_fence("fence_foo_with_sign"
07:26 kaeza            )
07:26 VanessaE         since we don't really need to have a different behavior between different objects
07:26 VanessaE         yeah, that makes more sense
07:48 kaeza            testing new api...
07:51 kaeza            success!
07:53 VanessaE         crash!
07:53 VanessaE         ;)
07:54 kaeza            nope :)
07:54 VanessaE         haha
07:54 VanessaE         cool
07:56 kaeza            https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1480250384.png
07:56 kaeza            fun fact: wool was placed by pointing at fences
07:56 VanessaE         excellent
07:57 kaeza            now gotta code the drop thing, and maybe later refactor into a loop
08:03 VanessaE         the drop part should be easy, but refactoring will be a bitch and a half :-)
08:05 kaeza            just a small question: if I override on_dig, do the game still add nodedef.drop to the inventory?
08:05 kaeza            gotta test this...
08:05 VanessaE         I forget now, but I think you have to return the whole function, or at least an itemstack
08:06 VanessaE         I think I had to deal with that in my doors code
08:07 kaeza            hmmm nope
08:07 kaeza            I think it would be better to override after_dig_node
08:07 kaeza            that's what the door uses at least
08:07 VanessaE         then I musta did the same thing :D
08:08 VanessaE         I can't remember from one day to the next what I coded :-)
08:12 mauvebic         the best part is looking back at the previous day's work and going "wtf did i do?" lol
08:12 Mati^1           hi
08:12 VanessaE         haha
08:12 VanessaE         I've had that revelation more than once
08:16 kaeza            lol
08:16 kaeza            having some problems now
08:17 kaeza            I'm not completely acquainted with how multiple drops work
08:17 VanessaE         I had to argue with that one too
08:17 mauvebic         with the rarity and all?
08:18 kaeza            mauvebic, I want to override a node's drop, by "dropping" additional nodes
08:18 VanessaE         kaeza: look in the original signs code, there's a double-drop there
08:18 mauvebic         hmm, look at default leaves, that drops more than one item
08:18 mauvebic         there ya go 2 examples lol
08:18 VanessaE         er, my fork thereof I mean
08:18 kaeza            wait
08:18 kaeza            derp
08:18 kaeza            this isn't needed at all
08:19 kaeza            why would you get two items from grabbing a sign from a post?
08:19 mauvebic         prolly the post and te sign
08:19 VanessaE         exactly.
08:19 VanessaE         I figured it should break apart
08:19 VanessaE         but your idea is better - get the sign back first, then the post
08:19 mauvebic         it drops like a fencelike?
08:20 kaeza            mauvebic, what I'm planning is this: you dig the node once, you get the sign, and the node is replaced with the original fence
08:20 mauvebic         then you could just place the node using the sign after_dig_node
08:20 kaeza            and digging the fence gets you...the fence
08:20 mauvebic         but the fence and sign are technically one piece rite
08:20 mauvebic         ?
08:20 kaeza            yep
08:21 mauvebic         okay so have it drop a sign
08:21 mauvebic         and after dig node have it place the post
08:21 mauvebic         if you have the seperate sign node
08:26 kaeza            that's already done
08:26 mauvebic         all of it?
08:26 kaeza            yep
08:26 kaeza            ...almost
08:26 mauvebic         should work then :-)
08:27 kaeza            now for some fracking reason it's not calling after_dig_node
08:28 mauvebic         fuck
08:28 mauvebic         use on_destruct()
08:28 mauvebic         naw wait should work
08:28 mauvebic         cant guess whats deprecated and whats new lol
08:29 mauvebic         but why wouldn't after_dig_node work, getting any kind of error?
08:30 mauvebic         after_destruct = func(pos, oldnode),
08:30 mauvebic         ^ Node destructor; always called after removing node
08:30 mauvebic         ^ default: nil
08:30 mauvebic         or :
08:30 mauvebic         after_dig_node = func(pos, oldnode, oldmetadata, digger),
08:30 mauvebic         ^ oldmetadata is in table format
08:30 mauvebic         ^ Called after destructing node when node was dug using
08:30 mauvebic         minetest.node_dig / minetest.env:dig_node
08:30 mauvebic         ^ default: nil
08:31 mauvebic         you only need the pos to place a post so use after_destruct :p
08:31 celeron55        after_destruct shouldn't really be used to add anything to the map
08:32 mauvebic         yeah though im kinda curious why after_dig_node isn't working for kaeza
08:33 celeron55        and by really, i mean *really*
08:33 celeron55        i bet you can't remove them with one command in worldedit, for example
08:34 mauvebic         hmm, well he wants a signpost to drop a sign and leave a post :/
08:35 celeron55        yes, that's what the *dig/dug* stuff is for
08:35 celeron55        is he overriding minetest.node_dig with something else for the... whatever callback that is
08:35 celeron55        +?
08:36 kaeza            here's the code so far: http://pastebin.com/ZZpVQc1W
08:36 kaeza            erhm...borked indentation
08:36 mauvebic         this dont seem right:
08:36 mauvebic         local after_dig_node = def_sign.after_dig_node
08:36 mauvebic         def_sign.after_dig_node = function(pos, node, digger, ...)
08:36 mauvebic         print("FUCK YOU AFTER_DIG!!!")
08:36 mauvebic         if after_dig_node then after_dig_node(pos, node, digger, ...) end
08:36 mauvebic         node.name = fencename
08:36 mauvebic         minetest.env:add_node(pos, node)
08:36 mauvebic         end
08:37 mauvebic         after_dig_node should be part of the nodedef :/
08:37 VanessaE         lol
08:37 kaeza            mauvebic, it is :P
08:38 kaeza            it's a hackish way to redefine behavior
08:39 celeron55        well, insert some logging into minetest.node_dig in builtin and you'll figure it out in a short time
08:40 mauvebic         yeah cuz that code is like doing the sunday times crossword :p
08:41 celeron55        actually
08:41 kaeza            ?
08:41 mauvebic         prolly the tab widths
08:42 kaeza            mauvebic, VanessaE likes to use hard tabs, I like 4 spaces
08:42 mauvebic         the browser does word wrapping too i hate that lol
08:42 VanessaE         actually I mix tabs and spaces, probably because I rather hate the idea of a 4-spaced tab ;-)
08:43 kaeza            please don't tell me you use that silly 3 space indentation -.-
08:43 kaeza            nvm
08:44 kaeza            I'll reformat once I get this thing working correctly
08:49 celeron55        kaeza: by the way, you can't add on_destruct, on_construct or after_destruct like that
08:50 celeron55        their existence is cached at register_node time
08:50 kaeza            hmm
08:51 celeron55        because they are literally called always on any relevant node operation and the server must be brutally fast to skip everything that does not have them in order to have any kind of useful speed for mass ground stuff
08:52 kaeza            the callbacks are called in the correct way
08:52 kaeza            the nodes are re-registered at the end
08:52 celeron55        ah, that will make it work
08:53 celeron55        it's a bad habit to modify anything in-place at registered_nodes though
08:54 celeron55        the engine doesn't know about most of it before re-calling register_node, but all lua stuff thinks it's right
08:56 kaeza            hmm... I get your point
08:56 celeron55        i guess making a deep copy doesn't make very much sense either if you're going to re-register it anyway
08:56 kaeza            maybe it would be better to make a copy of the table
08:56 celeron55        but that's a thing to know
08:56 celeron55        here's the fun part: lua doesn't provide a deep copy by itself, you have to implement it yourself 8)
08:56 kaeza            that should be relatively easy
08:57 kaeza            (without implementing a check for infinite loops)
08:57 celeron55        local def_copy = minetest.deserialize(minetest.serialize(def))
08:57 celeron55        :D
08:57 celeron55        hack, but will work always
08:58 kaeza            interesting :P
08:58 celeron55        (and much slower than necessary)
08:58 celeron55        (but that doesn't matter at register time)
08:59 mauvebic         i think i need coffee lol
09:00 kaeza            aahh
09:00 kaeza            I think I got where the error is
09:01 kaeza            lol nope
09:05 markveidemanis   how do i switch windows in ubuntu?
09:08 markveidemanis   hI?
09:08 mauvebic         did you try sending naughty emails to Mark Shuttleworth?
09:13 celeron55        does anyone, like, know how to use ubuntu
09:14 celeron55        i haven't really used any of their more recent stuff
09:14 markveidemanis   I can teach you, i used to have it
09:14 kaeza            lol
09:14 kaeza            yeah right
09:14 celeron55        why are you asking anything then? 8)
09:14 markveidemanis   SO now you are left with a dilema
09:15 markveidemanis   thats a keyboard shortcut
09:15 markveidemanis   alt+tab
09:41 kaeza            VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=4596
09:43 VanessaE         dealt.
09:43 kaeza            thanks :)
09:53 markveidemanis   HELLO!!!
09:54 markveidemanis   i come from mars; why does minetest use SHA1; funny things; anything to start a conversation
10:01 VanessaE         bbl, time to get some sleep
10:08 markveidemanis   hi
10:08 markveidemanis   what's up
10:08 kaeza            the sky
10:12 markveidemanis   *my D!CK!!
10:12 markveidemanis   lol
10:12 celeron55        a ceiling
10:19 markveidemanis   check out my almost complete server topic
10:22 markveidemanis   Give me color names, i cant think of any lol
10:22 markveidemanis   red,yellow,blue,red
10:22 markveidemanis   thats it...
10:24 celeron55        yeah, red and red are good different colors
10:28 kaeza            da creeping fuck
10:28 kaeza            celeron55, it seems you were right; modifying nodedefs in-place == bad idea
10:29 kaeza            btw, your [de]serialize trick crashes the server
10:29 kaeza            I coded a simple deep copy function
10:30 kaeza            VanessaE, if you are around, I got the "remove sign from post" code ready
10:31 Aqua             Hi?
10:31 kaeza            hey Aqua
10:32 markveidemanis   Hey Aqua
10:35 Aqua             Do you know what sunlight_propergates does?
10:38 kaeza            Aqua, if true, sunlight goes through the node
10:38 kaeza            i.e. it does not block sunlight
10:38 kaeza            VanessaE, http://youtu.be/XsdF9wlxLhg
10:38 Aqua             What are al the drawtypes?
10:39 Calinou          Aqua: doc/lua_api.txt
10:39 Calinou          some I remember: airlike, normal, plantlike, raillike, nodebox, signlike, glasslike, allfaces, allfaces_optional
10:41 Aqua             What are all the paramatypes
10:44 kaeza            ...
10:44 Calinou          only paramtype I know is "light", and as paramtype2 you have "facedir"
10:44 Calinou          or "wallmounted"
10:45 Calinou          :P
10:45 Calinou          but seriously, read lua_api.txt
10:45 kaeza            this shit took me longer than translating homedecor to spanish
10:45 kaeza            and all because of a stupid, stupid bug on my part
10:54 Aqua             what is material = minetest.digprop_constanttime(1.0)
10:55 kaeza            Aqua, that is a deprecated function
10:55 kaeza            use node groups
10:56 markveidemanis   http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=55068#p55068
10:56 markveidemanis   UPDATED!!!
10:56 markveidemanis   But actually read it...
11:02 markveidemanis   what does 'reminiscent' mean
11:12 markveidemanis   http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4956 VOTE!!
11:23 markveidemanis   Hi Taoki
11:23 Taoki            hi
11:28 markveidemanis   Care to see my server topic, i spent a considerable amount of time editing it
11:28 markveidemanis   http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3954
11:35 thexyz           i love how Calinou fixes grammatical errors on the wiki
11:35 thexyz           - === Don't be too C++y ===
11:36 thexyz           + === Don not be too C++y ===
11:36 ironzorg         Don not
11:36 ironzorg         hmmmm
11:51 markveidemanis   I want to use LevelDB ,  What am i to do??
11:54 thexyz           cherry-pick my leveldb patch
11:54 markveidemanis   link plz
11:54 thexyz           https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-ru/tree/leveldb
11:54 markveidemanis   ty
11:55 markveidemanis   not much of a patch... what is changed?
11:55 ironzorg         thexyz: откуда ты) ?
11:56 markveidemanis   thexyz, ti mozesh pomoch mne ?
11:57 thexyz           ironzorg: я думал, это довольно очевидно
11:57 markveidemanis   ok,  i compile yours
11:57 markveidemanis   i thought it was obvious?
11:58 markveidemanis   :D
11:59 ironzorg         thexyz: чей город)
11:59 ShadowNinja|Away my filesystem is read-only again
11:59 thexyz           ironzorg: мособласть
12:00 ironzorg         хорошо
12:00 * ironzorg       gmap
12:00 ShadowNinja      does anyone know why?
12:02 ShadowNinja      my server is down until I can get home and restart it
12:02 ShadowNinja      the computer
12:03 thexyz           ShadowNinja: check it with fsck
12:06 ShadowNinja      it fixed a lot of stuff but the filesystem is still readonly
12:06 markveidemanis   What are the benefits of LevelDB ?
12:07 thexyz           ShadowNinja: check smartctl output
12:11 ShadowNinja      not installed and I can't install it
12:12 ShadowNinja      can I remount / or something?
12:13 thexyz           mount -o remount,rw /
12:43 Taoki            Is the GIT dead? There haven't been updates in 2 weeks
12:43 thexyz           no
12:43 thexyz           you're out of sync
12:43 thexyz           https://github.com/minetest/minetest
12:44 thexyz           Taoki: ^
12:45 Taoki            out of sync?
12:45 Taoki            It says "Already up to date" when I try to pull
12:45 ironzorg         sed -i s/celeron55/minetest/ .git/config
12:46 ironzorg         && git pull
12:46 thexyz           wow
12:46 thexyz           that's not how you should do git remote set-url origin git@github.com:minetest/minetest.git
12:47 ironzorg         disregard the police force
12:47 Taoki            url = https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git
12:47 Taoki            I assume I need to change that
12:47 ironzorg         that's what my line changes, yes
12:47 Taoki            So I replace .git with /
12:47 Taoki            ok
12:48 thexyz           Taoki: git remote set-url origin git@github.com:minetest/minetest.git
12:50 Taoki            It doesn't work any more. Wants some key or something
12:51 markveidemanis   Who wants to come on #**** and help me test something
12:51 Taoki            Really, why was the GIT url changes? :(
12:51 Taoki            **chenged
12:51 thexyz           Taoki: oh
12:51 thexyz           then git remote set-url origin git://github.com/minetest/minetest.git
12:52 Taoki            Ahh... trying now
12:52 thexyz           Taoki: because minetest is no longer celeron55's "personal" project?
12:52 Taoki            Ah, I understand. Makes sense then
12:52 thexyz           so we decided to make "minetest" into organization
12:52 thexyz           https://github.com/minetest
12:53 Taoki            That is a good idea
12:53 Taoki            Seems to work now... tx
12:54 Taoki            Same for minetest_game?
12:54 thexyz           yeah
13:03 markveidemanis   Who is not AFK at the time this is sent, type /me
13:03 * markveidemanis
13:04 * Taoki
13:04 ironzorg         /me
13:07 markveidemanis   Taoki, can you talk in #**** ( its instant ban for saying name of the channel)
13:07 Taoki            hmm?
13:08 * Taoki          doesn't understand what this is about. Also why anyone would ban you for saying a name on a channel :o
13:15 STHGOM           howdy
13:16 STHGOM           !up minetest.org 30015
13:16 MinetestBot      minetest.org:30015 is up (0.484ms)
13:16 STHGOM           :D
13:17 * kaeza          is wasting his time making a lego mod
13:18 STHGOM           :D
13:18 kaeza            there was someone who asked something about that
13:18 STHGOM           so the nodes will  look like legos?
13:18 kaeza            is he/she here?
13:18 kaeza            STHGOM, yep :)
13:18 STHGOM           :D
13:19 * Taoki          shrugs at the whole channel thing :p
13:20 markveidemanis   i had to /chanserv drop to reset my mess lol
13:20 kaeza            STHGOM, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1499715456.jpg
13:20 kaeza            o hai Taoki
13:21 thexyz           markveidemanis: please don't spam with invites
13:23 STHGOM           heehee
13:23 STHGOM           i likeee
13:30 STHGOM           cya
13:30 Kacey            hi all
13:31 tripod           my wifes name is Kasey
13:31 tripod           spooky.
13:33 Kacey            internet is being slow
13:38 kaeza            I am finding epic dungeons with 20+ rooms ^_^
13:50 * Mati^1         re HI all
13:51 ironzorg         http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Privileges // the "noclip" privilege is not listed, how do I add it ?
13:51 ironzorg         or should a mod do it
13:55 Kacey            noclip is a default priv
13:57 Kacey            byeall
14:01 Taoki            Wow... seems a ton of mods are broken and will not work
14:01 Taoki            All recent mods apart from a few apparently
14:05 thexyz           how so?
14:16 Taoki            thexyz: When I start the world it has an error message that the mod couldn't be loaded
14:16 Taoki            No extra info, just that
14:16 thexyz           Taoki: debug.txt?
14:17 Taoki            Looking better its only a few mods
14:17 Taoki            ok
14:18 Taoki            WTF... debug.txt is 1GB big
14:18 thexyz           well, remove it
14:18 Taoki            Yeah, no point in trying to print all that out...
14:19 Taoki            Better now, it generated a small one
14:19 Taoki            http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=i4u9SbNX
14:19 markveidemanis   start new world;configure;enable all mods
14:19 markveidemanis   ive had the problem before
14:20 thexyz           Taoki: well
14:20 thexyz           it's obvious, isn't it?
14:20 thexyz           you should rename pipeworks-master to pipeworks
14:20 Taoki            Seems I need to rename the mod folder. But only that?
14:20 Taoki            ok
14:22 Taoki            Seems to be working now. Just had to know about that debug.txt :P
14:22 Taoki            Really though... how in the name of god did a log file get to be 1GB big. First time I see that in my life :)
14:22 Taoki            That must be billions of lines of text
14:22 jojoa1997        hi
14:23 thexyz           it is
14:23 markveidemanis   who wants my stuff on the zegaton server
14:24 markveidemanis   i will give you my password, you do the rest
14:25 kaeza            jojoa1997, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4738&action=new
14:25 kaeza            nope
14:25 jojoa1997        why not
14:26 jojoa1997        it makes sense
14:26 kaeza            because you can configure this at runtime
14:26 jojoa1997        i mean just the hunger and thirst
14:26 jojoa1997        wait you can?
14:26 kaeza            yep
14:26 kaeza            /survival disable hunger
14:27 jojoa1997        oh yeah
14:27 jojoa1997        !!up 0gb.us
14:27 jojoa1997        !up 0gb.us
14:27 MinetestBot      0gb.us:30000 is up (0.456ms)
14:29 jojoa1997        wanna see how many braincells i have
14:29 markveidemanis   how can i improve this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=55068#p55068
14:29 jojoa1997        !g googleplex
14:29 MinetestBot      jojoa1997: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googleplex
14:29 markveidemanis   0.>
14:29 jojoa1997        now how many i hjave lost from playing minetest is googleplex + 1
14:30 markveidemanis   your not funny
14:30 markveidemanis   i 'hjave' 3x15³²
14:31 markveidemanis   i 'hjave' (30x15)³²
14:31 jojoa1997        markv i think no one can copy and paste from anything on chat
14:31 markveidemanis   i did not say copy
14:31 markveidemanis   i meant rewrite
14:32 jojoa1997        try getting it from your debug
14:32 jojoa1997        delete it go on type /mods and then copy
14:32 markveidemanis   can you do me a big favor?
14:32 kaeza            jojoa1997, s/googleplex/googolplex/
14:32 kaeza            just sayin'
14:32 markveidemanis   look for buildings on the server
14:32 markveidemanis   Building:Owner:Coordinates:Info
14:33 markveidemanis   Spawn:markveidemanis:0,0,0:an enourmous arena
14:33 kaeza            wut http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75251#p75251
14:33 markveidemanis   like that^
14:34 jojoa1997        minecraft has modloaders that make you keep it in zip
14:34 jojoa1997        mods
14:34 kaeza            ...so?
14:35 jojoa1997        you put the <modname>.zip into the mod folder and then minecraft does the rest
14:35 markveidemanis   Hi
14:36 jojoa1997        http://pixelmonmod.com/blog/
14:36 jojoa1997        i think he means that mod
14:36 OldCoder
14:36 OldCoder         I will be away during the day for a while but things are evolving
14:36 OldCoder         Could somebody tell MarkV if he returns that I received his requests
14:37 OldCoder         jojoa1997, MarkV and you need to work out a few things
14:37 jojoa1997        k
14:38 jojoa1997        go to #MTMT
15:26 cprofitt         morning all
15:27 jojoa1997        night all
15:27 jojoa1997        Hello! :-)
15:33 Taoki            http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5072 Very curious what others think of this idea, and if it can be done currently.
15:37 jojoa1997        just answered Taoki
15:37 Taoki            ok, g2g now will see later
15:38 jin_xi           hello #minetest
15:42 markveidemanis   Hi
15:43 markveidemanis   http://ompldr.org/vaG51bA/Face.png
15:51 markveidemanis   who here wants to explore
15:59 webdesigner97    hi
15:59 webdesigner97    is ruben here?
16:01 webdesigner97    hi jordach
16:05 * Jordach        got a offer for sixth form
16:05 Jordach          :D
16:07 BlindBanana      hi!
16:09 BlindBanana      Is this Problem known: the screen minimizes a) direct after the game startup or b) after the first block harvested
16:09 BlindBanana      first screenshot: screen normal: http://i.imgur.com/T9YbdrV.png
16:09 BlindBanana      second screenshot: screen minimized: http://i.imgur.com/jyz3kCY.png
16:10 BlindBanana      i've build the recent stable and development versions on opensuse 12.1
16:10 Jordach          khonkhortisan has this bug too
16:10 Jordach          resize the window
16:10 Jordach          that usually fixes it
16:11 BlindBanana      trying now
16:12 BlindBanana      thank you very much!
16:12 BlindBanana      how can I fix this without resizing?
16:13 Jordach          BlindBanana, it just happens now and then
16:13 Jordach          i;ve never had it, but someone else has it too
16:13 Jordach          lemme check the bug tracker
16:14 BlindBanana      is there a way I can help with debugging?
16:14 Jordach          https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/474
16:14 markveidemanis   I challenge someone;
16:14 markveidemanis   Make a HELL house
16:16 Jordach          BlindBanana, i updated the bug page with a comment on the fix for now
16:16 Jordach          i may also suggest using Irrlicht version 1.7.3
16:16 Jordach          (1.8.2 seemingly causes this issue)
16:17 BlindBanana      i use irrlicht 1.8.0
16:17 Jordach          hm, so it;s the 1.8.x series
16:17 BlindBanana      opengl 4.2.0 and glsl 4.2 with nvidia gtx 560
16:18 Jordach          no clue.
16:18 * Jordach        pokes khonkhortisan
16:18 BlindBanana      i'll rebuild with the latest irrlicht 1.7.x and try again
16:20 Jordach          hai Calinou
16:20 Jordach          it's snowing here
16:21 sfan5            BlindBanana: irrlicht 1.8 is newer than irrlicht 1.7.x
16:22 Calinou          hi
16:23 BlindBanana      sfan5 yes, but 1.8 produces errors with scrren size
16:27 Jordach          sfan5, just because it's newer, doesnt mean it's better
16:28 PilzAdam         Hello everyone!
16:28 Jordach          hey PilzAdam
16:28 sfan5            hi PilzAdam
16:28 sfan5            Jordach: i didn't say that
16:28 Jordach          well then
16:28 Jordach          but my point is, 1.8.x is broken
16:28 Jordach          for minetest]
16:28 Jordach          -]
16:30 markveidemanis   I need a good starting map
16:30 Jordach          markveidemanis, lol, starting map really?
16:30 markveidemanis   yep
16:31 markveidemanis   im just bored
16:31 Calinou          Jordach: gnome 3 devs approve
16:31 * Jordach        thinks Calinou thinks that i'm part of gnome
16:31 Jordach          s/thinks/thinks that/
16:32 BlindBanana      so, new build with:
16:32 BlindBanana      cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=1 -DBUILD_SERVER=1 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release \
16:32 BlindBanana      -DENABLE_CURL=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_SOUND=1 \
16:32 BlindBanana      -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DUSE_GPROF=1 -DWARN_ALL=1 -DVERSION_EXTRA=BlindBanana \
16:32 BlindBanana      -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR= ../irrlicht-1.7.3/
16:33 markveidemanis   InNnNNNOOO
16:33 Jordach          ^ dafuq
16:33 markveidemanis   TheFuck
16:33 markveidemanis   ^ my new map name
16:34 markveidemanis   The City Of Fuck, catchy, right?
16:34 Jordach          markveidemanis, more like The City of PilzAdam
16:34 Jordach          you pointed to his join
16:34 markveidemanis   thats good too
16:35 markveidemanis   the Humble Town of Azaroth
16:35 Jordach          bleh
16:35 markveidemanis   http://www.seewithperspective.com/
16:35 markveidemanis   Game is awesome but they couldn't be bothered to make a decent site!
16:35 Jordach          Requires: Windows / DirectX 11.
16:35 Jordach          NOPE.
16:36 markveidemanis   Phine
16:36 markveidemanis   http://www.phine.org.uk/
16:39 BlindBanana      Jordach: The new build with irrlicht 1.7.3 has the same problem! After window resize everything is fine. :-(
16:39 Jordach          really strange now
16:39 BlindBanana      i was wrong! i started the old build!
16:39 BlindBanana      sorry
16:40 * Jordach        doesnt facepalm, but when i do, i do
16:44 PilzAdam         is there any "how to report bugs" in the forum?
16:45 sfan5            no
16:45 * PilzAdam       will write one
16:46 PilzAdam         http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073
16:48 PilzAdam         any improvements or suggestions?
16:51 VanessaE         afternoon all.
16:52 Jordach          hey VanessaE
16:52 VanessaE         hi
16:53 Jordach          interesting technic bug
16:54 Jordach          Mining Drill MK3 doesnt drain MV Bat Box energy
16:55 PilzAdam         VanessaE, can you sticky this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073 ?
16:55 Jordach          paulsnar|alt, quit with the join spam
16:55 Jordach          john_minetest, true.
16:55 VanessaE         stickied.
16:55 * Jordach        is hoping for a RAM upgrade
16:55 Jordach          2GB
16:56 Calinou          DDR, expensive since 2006
16:56 Jordach          RealBadAngel, you should add a MV Coal Generator
16:56 Calinou          (fun fact: price of DDR3 RAM chips went up by 81% in 3 months)
16:56 Jordach          (fun fact: my pc uses DDR2)
16:57 Calinou          no 2×4GB 2400MHz RAM at 65 euros anymore :(
16:57 VanessaE         Jordach: mine's still in the mail somewhere between here and Charlotte, NC
16:57 Jordach          VanessaE, good thing its not here
16:57 VanessaE         the vendor didn't ship it until just this past Thursday :-/
16:57 Jordach          Royal Mail probably would have stole it
16:58 VanessaE         heh
16:58 Jordach          heh, 30fps when my game is fullscreened
16:58 Jordach          about 47fps when 800x600
17:01 * Jordach        has experimental IceCast radio in Minetest
17:01 Jordach          uses a modified IRC Mod for networking
17:01 Jordach          instead of server -> client streams, clients download from the IceCast server
17:02 Jordach          1) go see 320kbps \o/
17:02 Jordach          to about 12 clients
17:03 thexyz           Calinou: 2400MHz? it's not like it'll be much better than 1333
17:03 VanessaE         Calinou: 4x4GB 1333 for $77 US from Portatech.
17:05 * Jordach        prefers good 'ol 333mhx
17:05 Jordach          mhz*
17:05 Jordach          i would upgrade to a new mobo, but, the price
17:05 Jordach          actually fuck that
17:05 thexyz           yeah
17:05 thexyz           new mobo
17:05 Jordach          Plan B: buy a Intel XEON
17:05 thexyz           then new cpu, new ram
17:06 thexyz           new psu
17:06 Jordach          thexyz, even better: BUY SERVER hardware
17:06 Jordach          >:D
17:06 thexyz           dual/quad socket
17:06 thexyz           yeah, sure
17:06 * Jordach        has 270k in the bank
17:06 Jordach          i can pay for it :3
17:06 thexyz           I'd like to, too bad I don't want to waste money
17:07 thexyz           or, well, too good
17:07 * Jordach        would host a permanent Minetest server
17:07 Jordach          with server spec
17:08 Jordach          thexyz, http://www.chillblast.com/Chillblast-Fusion-Leviathan.html
17:08 thexyz           lol
17:08 Jordach          "Featuring 12 cores of 32nm Intel Xeon chips running at a combined clock speed of 55.2GHz, this is the fastest Chillblast system ever built. The system offers a mind blowing 24 threads of parallel processing capabilities, whilst the rather generous allocation of 48GB of RAM"
17:08 thexyz           never buy prebuilds
17:08 Jordach          48GB of 2400
17:09 Jordach          > Expect linux to run on that
17:09 VanessaE         holy shit
17:09 VanessaE         8333 euros???>
17:09 thexyz           why would you like to run windows on that hardware?
17:09 thexyz           it's not able to utilize it i guess
17:09 Jordach          VanessaE, the full package has 16TB of storage
17:09 VanessaE         why would you run anything but a supercomputing cluster OS on that
17:10 Jordach          VanessaE, x128_64_86
17:10 Jordach          :P
17:10 thexyz           buy that one @ host public distcc
17:10 PilzAdam         VanessaE, there are super computer clusters based on windows
17:10 Jordach          VanessaE, i can ACTUALLY PAY for that
17:11 thexyz           wow, you're so interesting
17:11 VanessaE         PilzAdam: I never said it couldn't be windows-based, not that anyone with any sanity would do such a thing
17:11 celeron55        http://antirez.com/articoli/tclmisunderstood.html
17:13 thexyz           sfan5: about the android port
17:13 thexyz           how many different NDKs have you tried?
17:13 sfan5            1
17:13 sfan5            the problem is not the ndb
17:13 sfan5            *ndk
17:13 thexyz           which one?
17:13 sfan5            ...
17:13 thexyz           what's the problem then?
17:13 sfan5            irrlicht just seems to not run, even examples
17:13 thexyz           so
17:14 thexyz           the problem could be NDK as well
17:14 sfan5            android seems to hate non-java apps
17:14 thexyz           of course it doesn't
17:14 Jordach          VanessaE, top price for everything: £17458.42 inc VAT
17:15 Jordach          > Check for monitor dead pixels
17:15 Jordach          2x 30" monitors
17:15 Jordach          > Minetest still runs at 12fps
17:16 sfan5            thexyz: ndk version r8d using (included) prebuilt gcc arm-linux-androideabi-4.6
17:16 rubenwardy_      Minetest runs at 30 fps for me
17:16 Jordach          rubenwardy_, 47fps here
17:18 Calinou          <thexyz> never buy prebuilds => +1
17:20 Calinou          Jordach: talking about combined clock speeds? overclocked FX-8350s would like to have a talk with you, you can reach 40GHz or so :P
17:20 Calinou          and 300 watt power usage :P
17:43 Jordach          instead of making CPU's smaller, why not make them more powerful and bigger
17:48 VanessaE         because they have to be made smaller in order for signals to move through them in a reasonable time.
17:48 VanessaE         the faster the clock speed, the shorter the circuit length has to be to keep everything in sync
17:49 VanessaE         (which is why one of the two corps is working on some kind of mesh-based clock, I forget what they call it)
17:49 Jordach          > Keep wires smaller. Make transistor count bigger.
17:50 VanessaE         that's what they're doing now.
17:50 VanessaE         the problem is the wires - there's a lot more wire than transistors in most CPUs
17:50 VanessaE         you pack a bunch of transistors side by side, you still have to connect them, in many cases going from one end of the stack to the other
17:51 VanessaE         or running off to another circuit somewhere else
17:51 Jordach          then use fused twin transistors
17:51 VanessaE         won't work.
17:51 VanessaE         transistors are already paired anyway
17:51 Jordach          as in, end to end
17:51 VanessaE         the problem is the interconnects between groups
17:52 BlindBanana      So, with Irrlicht 1.7.3 the Problem does not occur! Thanks! ;-) (Sorry for the late answer - i got a call...)
17:52 VanessaE         you can't, for example, just insert an ALU into the middle of the cache
17:52 VanessaE         or stick the microcode decoder block into the middle of the memory controller
17:52 Jordach          BlindBanana, i hope thats okay then
17:53 VanessaE         so you have to place them in blocks, as close together and reasonably placed as possible...and you still end up with relatively huge lengths of wiring
17:53 BlindBanana      Jordach: Yes. next step is cross compile for windows. Is there an howto for this?
17:54 Jordach          BlindBanana, there already windows builds
17:54 Jordach          PilzAdam, thexyz and sfan5 produce them
17:55 Jordach          there are*
17:55 BlindBanana      with gettext, curl and truetype fonts?
17:55 Jordach          YES
17:56 Jordach          yes*
17:56 * Jordach        is getting the links
17:56 Jordach          http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4240
17:56 Jordach          http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
17:56 Jordach          http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523
17:57 Jordach          BlindBanana, ^^^^
17:57 BlindBanana      Thank you Jordach!
17:57 Jordach          BlindBanana, cheers
17:57 Jordach          i'm usually hanging around everyday
17:58 VanessaE         bbl
17:59 BlindBanana      Jordach: good to know (i hit irc if i run into problems, wich i cant solve on my own)
17:59 BlindBanana      Bye!
17:59 Jordach          bb
18:18 rubenwardy       soooo....
18:19 Jordach          sup
18:19 rubenwardy       I might make an account on the Minetest forums called "Someone-I-dont-know"
18:19 rubenwardy       so that when someone quotes me, it says "Someone-I-dont-know wrote"
18:20 Jordach          rubenwardy == Mr. Lonely
18:20 rubenwardy       yeah
18:20 Jordach          btw -- i got my placement for Sixth Form today
18:21 rubenwardy       cool!
18:21 rubenwardy       I just inserted application
18:22 * rubenwardy     is just 69 away from 1000 posts!
18:22 Jordach          HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
18:22 Jordach          "69"
18:22 rubenwardy       yeah, lol
18:23 rubenwardy       I mis-read http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=3782 and thought is said
18:23 rubenwardy       Registered: Today 17:05:02
18:23 rubenwardy       Posts: 1,667
18:23 rubenwardy       *it
18:24 rubenwardy       with jojoa1997, I would not be surprized
18:25 Jordach          rubenwardy, i'm waiting for him to be too stupid and end up with the ban
18:25 rubenwardy       me too
18:26 * Jordach        sees it happening
18:26 rubenwardy       such a newbie, in the least offensive way possible.
18:26 Jordach          rubenwardy, you even say anything about a personal mod and
18:27 Jordach          > i want it plz plz plz
18:27 rubenwardy       evidence: http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=3782
18:28 jin_xi           hiya mauvebic
18:29 mauvebic         good morning
18:29 * Jordach        has worked out a way to remove the ads from spotify without buying it
18:29 mauvebic         actually its not even morning here lol but its morning somewhere! (same excuse we use for drinking < 5pm) lol
18:29 Jordach          5 seconds away from the end of a song, click the next one on the playlist :3
18:30 mauvebic         why not use jango?
18:30 mauvebic         i dont get ads
18:30 Jordach          mauvebic, Jango Fett?
18:30 mauvebic         jango.com
18:31 mauvebic         they occasionally make you listen to an indie artist that sucks ass, but otherwise its usually good
18:31 mauvebic         its only through jango that i found out chuck mangione was real :/
18:32 Jordach          lo
18:32 Jordach          lol
18:32 Jordach          i thought i heard hadoken * 3
18:34 mauvebic         heya that bug where you place a node and it *takes over* the one you were trying to place on top, it seems to be happenning more often now?
18:34 Jordach          yeah
18:35 * Jordach        lost a chest full of mese this way
18:35 mauvebic         okay at least its not all in my head lol
18:35 * jin_xi         never places nodes
18:35 Jordach          ^ worldeditor
18:35 mauvebic         yeah but even with multinode you have to place markers lol and its the markers that seem to be jamming into the wrong pos all the time now
18:36 jin_xi           ouch
18:37 mauvebic         i dont place much else by hand except street furniture lol
18:39 mauvebic         though being able to spawn just about anything, im beginning to think about mods that design their own buildings lol
18:39 jin_xi           cool
18:40 * PilzAdam       tried to compile a win32 build of Minetest with Irrlicht 1.8
18:40 PilzAdam         Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x00000000 in 32-bit code (0x008cf859).
18:41 Jordach          PilzAdam fails
18:45 Jordach          hai NekoGloop
18:47 STHGOM           Jeija: was someone going to work with you to try to make it so luacontrollers can chat?
18:49 thexyz           PilzAdam: works fine for me
18:49 Jeija            STHGOM: No, I guess ingame chat is possible using command blocks somehow
18:50 STHGOM           :D
18:51 STHGOM           that would be cool Jeija
18:51 Jeija            It's possible using /say and /tell commands :)
18:52 STHGOM           right now?
18:52 Jeija            Yes :)
18:52 STHGOM           :D
18:53 Jeija            Just connect the luacontroller to a command block
18:53 STHGOM           ohh thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou
18:53 Calinou          0gb.us still lags like hell
18:54 STHGOM           you wonderfull
18:55 STHGOM           would you connect it with digilines?
18:55 Jordach          Calinou, naw shit
18:55 Jeija            Hmm, like the player detector I guess; let's say it is on my to-do list
18:58 STHGOM           player detector?
18:59 Jeija            The player/object detector has a digiline interface to change the name it scans for: http://mesecons.net/items/objectdetector.php
19:01 thexyz           Calinou: minetest.ru doesn't!
19:01 thexyz           it only lags like heaven
19:02 STHGOM           hmm
19:02 STHGOM           how do you program?
19:02 Jeija            STHGOM: Program what?
19:02 ironzorg         so, when is minetest getting a real masterserver, like I suggested months ago ?
19:02 thexyz           it also has the most beatiful game for minetest ever created installed
19:03 thexyz           ironzorg: it has one
19:03 thexyz           http://servers.minetest.net/
19:03 STHGOM           the object detector
19:03 Jeija            Using digilines or manually?
19:03 Jeija            You can't really program it, you just right-click it and enter your parameters
19:03 cprofitt         celeron55: if running an ubuntu mintest server for the family should I run your stable PPA or the daily builds?
19:03 STHGOM           hmm
19:04 thexyz           cprofitt: why are you asking celeron55?
19:04 ironzorg         thexyz: is this the real thing, or does somebody still manually add servers to some file ?
19:04 thexyz           cprofitt: it's usually safe to run daily builds
19:04 thexyz           ironzorg: the real one
19:04 cprofitt         thexyz: he is the owner of the ppa
19:04 ironzorg         nice)
19:04 thexyz           ironzorg: server_announce in minetest.conf
19:04 cprofitt         thexyz: cool, gonna get my server setup today
19:05 cprofitt         then I need to figure out how to add the mods in
19:05 cprofitt         thanks
19:05 thexyz           Calinou: not interested? =(
19:05 ironzorg         thexyz: all there's left to do now, is a nice web frontend for the MS
19:06 ironzorg         it's good that the json feed is accessible, it allows you to make statistics
19:08 rubenwardy       does this have shaders: http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9sza6dMB9OE/UTkdTZA4DGI/AAAAAAAAATg/24vOkcAPCkg/s1873/Sans+titre2.jpg
19:08 thexyz           this one has a lot of photoshop/gimp
19:08 thexyz           ask cisoun
19:09 rubenwardy       cisoun, above question
19:10 Calinou          thexyz: invalid password :|
19:10 rubenwardy       and, what is the seed of this: http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dn7lYYnW5x0/UT1OcL8M1mI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/LyMsc9EegRQ/s1873/screenshot_1466222590.jpg
19:10 Calinou          can you reset it for "Calinou" please?
19:10 rubenwardy       is that 3d noise?
19:10 thexyz           Calinou: check it at http://minetest.ru
19:10 thexyz           I can send it to you in query
19:11 Calinou          http://minetest.ru/auth/
19:11 Calinou          404 :P
19:11 thexyz           Calinou: login maybe?
19:13 STHGOM           Jeija how do you do /say from a luacontroller? something like this?: line1: if pin.d then line:2 say("hi") line3: end
19:13 Jeija            no, you /say from the command block
19:14 STHGOM           ooOOOoo
19:14 Jeija            you control the command block via a mesecon wire
19:14 STHGOM           right
19:16 cprofitt         alrights... on Ubuntu Server - latest minetest version I should install mods under .minetest/mods/minetest
19:16 cprofitt         correct?
19:17 cprofitt         each in their own folder
19:18 Calinou          if you built without run in place, yes
19:18 STHGOM           yes
19:19 Calinou          if you built with run in place, in your minetest dir
19:19 cprofitt         hmm... I used the ubuntu ppa (daily builds) and used apt-get
19:19 rubenwardy       https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=minetest+worst+mod returns technic
19:20 STHGOM           can you program the command block with luaconroller somehow?
19:20 Jordach          rubenwardy, SEO gone wrong
19:21 Jordach          oh and
19:21 Jordach          http://imgur.com/a/ImDJb
19:21 cprofitt         anyone know how the Ubuntu daily ppa is built? with or without run in place?
19:22 mauvebic         there might be one or two ubuntu users left who can say :p
19:23 * Jordach        slaps mauvebic
19:23 cprofitt         mauvebic: they have not all left....
19:23 Jordach          i use xubuntu dammit
19:23 mauvebic         yeah but xubuntu is almost more like debian with xfce, when i think ubuntu i think unity/gnomeshit
19:24 thexyz           you're able to install xfce into ubuntu
19:24 thexyz           and remove unity/gnomeshit
19:24 mauvebic         the redeeming feature :-)
19:24 kaeza            mauvebic, sudo apt-get autoremove unity ...
19:24 kaeza            sudo apt-get install xfce4
19:25 thexyz           better install MATE though
19:25 mauvebic         though ive always found it easier to add the things i like to a minimalist distro rather than remove all the shit i dont like (which, with ubuntu, takes 3-4 hours lol)
19:25 Jordach          bollocks
19:25 thexyz           i agree
19:25 thexyz           that's why you should choose arch/gentoo/etc..
19:25 mauvebic         archbang :-)
19:25 thexyz           even debian or ubuntu minimal
19:26 mauvebic         another problem with pickling a distro apart like ubuntu is shit sometimes break, but not so much when youre just installing apps
19:27 mauvebic         x is needed by y which depends z etc.. lol
19:28 mauvebic         but what got me off ubuntu permanently was when the network-manager was flakey and wicd didn't work - on arch, they both worked lol
19:28 mauvebic         at arch they are obsessed with code correctness and not patching everything (i approve lol)
19:30 cisoun           gaddamn I missed rubenwardy's question...
19:30 cprofitt         sorry for the questions... some mods are saying they require nodeboxes -- is that another mod or a setting?
19:31 thexyz           cprofitt: it means those mods will only run on minetest versions with nodeboxes support
19:31 * cprofitt       nods
19:31 cprofitt         thanks
19:32 mauvebic         nodeboxes were introduced in... 0.4.0?
19:32 thexyz           in a nutshell, disregard that
19:32 thexyz           mauvebic: lua api was introduced in 0.4
19:32 thexyz           nodeboxes were added later
19:32 mauvebic         hmm, 0.4.3 then
19:32 thexyz           and only existed in kahrl's branch for some time
19:33 mauvebic         having a tough time remembering lol i know the first version i DL'ed was 0.3~
19:33 thexyz           same for me
19:33 thexyz           0.3.1 i think
19:33 mauvebic         i know the api was introduced around that time cuz most mods were broken for awhile
19:34 cprofitt         any mods you guys like?
19:34 thexyz           realtest!
19:34 thexyz           https://github.com/sda97ghb/realtest
19:37 PilzAdam         realtest isnt a mod but a game
19:38 PilzAdam         cprofitt, carts, boats, farming, simple mobs
19:38 cprofitt         PilzAdam: thanks
19:38 cprofitt         do I have to add the mods to any configuration file or just put them in the folder?
19:39 PilzAdam         just put them in mods/minetest/
19:39 PilzAdam         you can disable them in the main menu in when hitting "Configure"
19:39 PilzAdam         but new mods are enabled by defaukt
19:39 PilzAdam         *default
19:39 Uberi            hey VanessaE, would you mind sending me a copy of the lag-o-matic? I'd like to do some debugging
19:40 Uberi            also, does the circuit use any gates? any plugs/sockets?
19:42 cprofitt         hmm... simple mobs is failing... looks like I might need the 'fire' mod
19:42 PilzAdam         fire should be in the default game
19:42 Uberi            cprofitt: DM mob needs it
19:42 PilzAdam         do you have minetest_game installed?
19:42 cprofitt         ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/cprofitt/.minetest/mods/minetest/simplemobs/init.lua
19:42 cprofitt         that is the error I get trying to launch the server
19:42 PilzAdam         rename it to "mobs"
19:43 cprofitt         k
19:43 Uberi            whatever the problem is, I'm pretty sure it's not mesecon torches
19:44 cprofitt         server is running... the folders need specific names... corrected those
19:44 thexyz           PilzAdam: that means it's even more awesome!
19:48 PilzAdam         shameless ad... http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75333#p75333
19:49 thexyz           ad!
19:49 thexyz           I usually "Permanently delete this user and, optionally, all their posts." when I see ads
19:50 cprofitt         lol
19:50 cprofitt         I agree
19:50 Jordach          hold it
19:50 Jordach          look how stupid jojoa thinks we are
19:50 Uberi            do you check the "set home on fire and exile family" checkbox?
19:50 rubenwardy       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tLEGYIijXA
19:50 Jordach          we know dungeons got added
19:50 STHGOM           cya
19:50 thexyz           Uberi: hm.. I thought this one is checked by default
19:50 Uberi            oh must be my config then
19:51 Jordach          rubenwardy, reload it to see meh comment
19:53 PilzAdam         Taoki, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75334#p75334 enough explanation?
19:54 Taoki            PilzAdam: Yeah, thanks. Don't really see why but I understand your point
19:55 PilzAdam         why do you want to play a voxel based game and not use voxels in mapgen?
19:55 Taoki            It's not like using only blocks in a mapgen is a life rule in Minetest, and it's a sin to break it :P Least in my opinion... I think anything that works is useful
19:55 Taoki            Voxels would still represent most of the terrain.
19:55 PilzAdam         there are other MC clones that have 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 etc. blocks
19:55 Jordach          PYTHON FOR iOS
19:55 Jordach          https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/python-2.7-for-ios/id485729872?ls=1&mt=8
19:56 Uberi            Jordach: Pythonista is waaaay better
19:56 cprofitt         wow, three worlds generated and they all appear to be deserts
19:56 Taoki            Voxel terrain is useful because it allows digging in any location or direction as well as building on that terrain. Other parts could just be useful to improve on that
19:57 Taoki            Nice. I still prefer Minetest, even with ideas slightly against some of the concepts
19:57 PilzAdam         Taoki, http://youtu.be/bXB6jQtbPZU
19:57 PilzAdam         I dont want this in Minetest
19:58 cprofitt         is there a way to force a certain world type on the creation -- ie., having trees?
19:58 Uberi            see mapgen flags, cprofitt
19:58 cprofitt         thanks
19:58 PilzAdam         cprofitt, look in minetest.conf.example for mg_flags
19:59 PilzAdam         there is one undocumented setting: "dungeons"
19:59 cprofitt         how do you do dungeons -- since it is undocumented
19:59 PilzAdam         you have to set this setting in minetest.conf before creating a new world
19:59 PilzAdam         cprofitt, just add dungeons to mg_flags and they get generated
20:00 FreeFull         Oh my, minetest has a server list now
20:00 Uberi            make sure you have a pretty recent build though
20:00 Taoki            PilzAdam: People suggested making it a setting if it ever happens. I want to make a custom game sometime where I'll be using this either way, but the question is if it would be good for Minetest by default. If not even a mod could do it
20:00 Taoki            It can be a mod at first, and if everyone likes it can be defaulted later
20:00 Taoki            Also consider the way snow is done in MineCraft; Generated snow slabs over normal terrain\
20:01 cprofitt         where does the mintest.conf file sit -- not seeing it on my server
20:01 PilzAdam         Taoki, decoration is something different (like papyrus, snow etc.)
20:01 cprofitt         is that a file that is not auto-generated
20:02 Uberi            cprofitt: it is when MT is run
20:02 PilzAdam         cprofitt, do you have a run in place version installed?
20:02 cprofitt         PilzAdam: I installed via the PPA in Ubuntu from celeron55
20:03 PilzAdam         ummm, dunno.... maybe its in ~/.minetest/ ?
20:03 cprofitt         PilzAdam: I did not see it in there
20:03 cprofitt         what is the other potential location in Linux
20:03 cprofitt         I can look there
20:04 PilzAdam         I use run in place only
20:04 PilzAdam         sorry
20:04 jin_xi           there is minetest.conf.example, edit and save as minetest.conf
20:06 cprofitt         jin_xi: ok
20:15 khonkhortisan    accidental slam on notch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclideon#Criticism "Minecraft developer described..." "However, actual notable experts in the field..."
20:17 ironzorg         why "accidental" ?
20:17 thexyz           lol
20:17 ironzorg         the video they released did look like a scam, finally something notch did correctly
20:18 Taoki            PilzAdam: Blockskape has a nice idea for terrain :) Wouldn't mind seeing the feature in Minetest. Not necessarily defaulted for minetest_game in this case, but possible for mods and custom blocks
20:18 cprofitt         PilzAdam: what is the flag to set dungeon creation on?
20:18 proller          dungeons is cool!
20:18 PilzAdam         dungeons
20:19 Taoki            I actually made this old post some time ago, but this will probably not happen: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=28827
20:19 cprofitt         is there a list of mg_options -- looking at the wiki and not finding any
20:19 PilzAdam         Taoki, see? you always try to break with the voxel idea :-)
20:19 * Jordach        starts learning python
20:20 Taoki            In that case it would still be voxels yes :)
20:20 Taoki            In a way dirt slabs would be terrain voxels too. Just think of them as half-volume voxels
20:20 proller          mg_flags = trees, caves, v6_biome_blend, dungeons
20:20 cprofitt         thanks proller
20:21 proller          and set to map_meta.txt if world exists
20:21 cprofitt         k -- new world being created right now
20:22 Taoki            PilzAdam: Another idea that would still use voxels is to code a special block type, which allows nodes to have a quantity. The lower that quantity the smaller the top / bottom surface. Slightly similar to how the new "finite liquid" works
20:22 ironzorg         what depth are dungeons generated at ?
20:22 ironzorg         I created two worlds, couldn't find any
20:22 Taoki            But in that case dirt, sand, etc. would still be the same node and defined the same way. Just that the top ones would spawn at different quantities and be blockier or slabier :)
20:22 PilzAdam         ironzorg, do you have the latest dev version of minetest?
20:22 Taoki            That would actually be even cooler
20:23 ironzorg         yes PilzAdam :)
20:23 Uberi            go deeper ironzorg, they're more common
20:23 ironzorg         ok thanks
20:23 PilzAdam         ironzorg, have you added "dungeons" to mg_flags in minetest.conf?
20:25 ironzorg         yes
20:25 ironzorg         double checked the map_meta file too
20:26 ironzorg         btw minetest segv when I quit it
20:26 PilzAdam         Taoki, it is Minetest not MineTest
20:27 Taoki            Sorry bad habit
20:27 PilzAdam         ironzorg, disable caves to see the dungeons better
20:29 sokomine         what do dungeons do instead of caves?
20:29 PilzAdam         they have mossycobble
20:29 PilzAdam         and there will be chests in the future too
20:30 ironzorg         PilzAdam: nice)
20:30 ironzorg         those dungeons are true mazes
20:31 ironzorg         useful to set up a base quick
20:32 sokomine         sounds good
20:32 sokomine         mossy cobble is a nice building material. and chests to...er...relieve of their input are nice as well :-) (as long as there are no dungeon masters or anything)
20:33 PilzAdam         oh, mobs will also be added :-)
20:33 Uberi            in default? awesome
20:33 ironzorg         one question though, why copy minecraft and not make something original with those dungeons ?
20:34 sokomine         which version of mobs?
20:34 sokomine         friendly sheep and such are ok :-)
20:34 Uberi            ironzorg: MC dungeons are basically rooms with chests and spawners in them
20:34 PilzAdam         there are no specific plans right now...
20:34 sokomine         hostile crazy vombies and the like are annoying
20:34 Uberi            they are more like strongholds I guess
20:36 mauvebic         dual-use tanks: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1857607423 (1 node vs 20)
20:39 sokomine         how did you make them less nodes?
20:41 mauvebic         got rid of the green status indicator (made a wrench to check it) so 10 -> 1 nodes, then combined the two tanks
20:42 mauvebic         i also reduce the number of pipe nodes by 1/2
20:44 mauvebic         though my math must be off cuz i figure i could do pipeworks in 12 pieces :/ and i got way more than that
20:44 sokomine         it's sometimes a bit difficult to imagine which form each node ought to have
20:45 mauvebic         well i noticed there is one node for each possible connecting side,
20:45 mauvebic         and every combination thereof
20:46 mauvebic         i could cut that down using y axis rotation (param2)
20:46 mauvebic         instead of 4 nodes for a t-shape in every direction, you'd have the one t-shape node rotated the right way
20:47 mauvebic         is RBA's 20-something facedir patch part of 0.4.5?
20:47 Uberi            nope
20:48 mauvebic         i should prolly wait then lol
20:48 sokomine         seems that patch would fit very well there :-)
20:49 mauvebic         id only need very few pipe nodes, yeah
20:49 bull3trulz       Menche u here?
20:51 bull3trulz       is menche.servegame.com working for anyone?
20:52 mrtux            I think something is wrong with my graphics
20:52 mrtux            when i play minetest
20:52 mrtux            i get a sky blue colored screen
20:54 Jordach          why is PYTHON AWESOME http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-110313-205336.php
20:56 bull3trulz       Jordach, high five for xubuntu
20:57 * Jordach        switched over a month ago
20:57 thexyz           oh, so, learning python
20:58 bull3trulz       Jordach, u dont use xubuntu
20:58 thexyz           you can learn it by helping me to find bugs in onomatopoeia https://github.com/xyzz/onomatopoeia/tree/stupid_v2 ^^
20:59 thexyz           ^ actually, this is a good example how not to code
20:59 Jordach          thexyz, i'll fix it when i finish working on a OpenGL game
21:00 ShadowNinja      thexyz: I can't remount root, sudo doesn't like read-only filesystems
21:00 * bull3trulz     si afk
21:00 thexyz           ShadowNinja: hm?
21:00 thexyz           pastebin your error
21:01 PilzAdam         bye
21:02 ShadowNinja      sudo: unable to open /var/lib/sudo/shadow/10: Read-only filesystem
21:03 thexyz           wow
21:03 mrtux            dangit, my screen just turns blue.
21:03 thexyz           that sucks
21:03 thexyz           su -
21:03 mrtux            Something may be wrong with minetest ;_;
21:03 mrtux            ugh
21:03 thexyz           if you have password for root
21:04 mrtux            Why does minetest sometimes have a blue colored screen and you can't see anything
21:04 mrtux            happens to me a lot
21:04 ShadowNinja      ubuntu scrambles it for security
21:04 Jordach          like eggs
21:04 thexyz           ShadowNinja: do you have physical access to that machine?
21:04 Jordach          eggs are nice scrambled
21:04 Jordach          :)
21:05 jin_xi           time for some percussive maintenance
21:05 ShadowNinja      yes, I guess I will have to reboot it
21:05 thexyz           ShadowNinja: well, it probably will run fsck on reboot
21:05 mrtux            >Segmentation fault (core dumped)
21:05 mrtux            ;_;
21:05 ShadowNinja      yes, normaly does that after this
21:06 thexyz           or you may append init=/bin/bash to kernel arguments list
21:06 thexyz           in bootloader
21:06 thexyz           I still suggest to check smartctl output
21:06 ShadowNinja      do you know how to prevent it?
21:06 thexyz           also do backups, etc
21:06 thexyz           prevent what?
21:07 ShadowNinja      this from happening again
21:07 thexyz           don't reset/power off your pc with reset/power off button?
21:07 ShadowNinja      I dont
21:07 thexyz           get UPS?
21:08 ShadowNinja      it is a laptop
21:08 thexyz           how's you ended with that error then?
21:08 ShadowNinja      I don't know
21:08 thexyz           are you sure your hdd is not broken?
21:08 Uberi            perhaps due to percussive maintenance :P
21:08 ShadowNinja      The laptop is only a few months old
21:11 ShadowNinja      well I guess I just won't have 24/7 uptime
21:12 ShadowNinja      unless the hdd is the issue and I replace it
21:13 thexyz           i wonder what else may be the issue
21:14 ShadowNinja      I probably can't even shut it down because of sudo
21:15 thexyz           REISUB then
21:15 ShadowNinja      what is that?
21:15 thexyz           alt+sysrq+R,E,I,S,U,B
21:15 thexyz           unraw, sigterm, sigkill, sync, umount, reboot
21:16 ShadowNinja      I am only connected over ssh atm
21:16 ShadowNinja      on a phone
21:16 thexyz           oh
21:16 thexyz           that's a problem
21:16 thexyz           i guess there's no way to reboot it then
21:17 ShadowNinja      I will be there in a few hours
21:17 Dogzilla131      hi
21:18 Uberi            hi Dogzilla131
21:18 Dogzilla131      How to you put sound in version .0.4.5?
21:18 Uberi            turn the volume up
21:19 Dogzilla131      I did, but nothing happen
21:19 Uberi            do you have openal?
21:20 Dogzilla131      And by the way, love the particles and the creative way :D
21:20 Dogzilla131      Doesn't it go with it already
21:22 Dogzilla131      Yeah is inside, its opeal32
21:22 thexyz           Dogzilla131: how about wrap_oal.dll?
21:22 thexyz           if it's not there then redownload 0.4.5
21:25 Dogzilla131      where is it located?
21:25 Dogzilla131      If it suppose to be in the bin, then no
21:27 thexyz           yeah, then redownload
21:28 mrtux            Something is up with minetest: http://i.imgur.com/0sFCTyp.png
21:28 Dogzilla131      Ok then i will
21:28 mrtux            Just compiled it a few mins. ago
21:28 mrtux            it also screws up my display
21:28 mrtux            as you can see in the xchat window
21:28 sokomine         you use a laptop to host a server?
21:29 mrtux            me?
21:29 sokomine         sounded like shadowninja did. but maybe i misunderstood
21:29 mrtux            so wtf is wrong with minetest and stuff?
21:29 mrtux            screws up like this whenever I play 3d games
21:30 thexyz           mrtux: what's your video card/driver?
21:31 mrtux            Nvidia GeForce Fx 5200
21:31 mrtux            Driver is xf86-video-nouveau (arch)
21:31 khonkhortisan    my compiled minetest breaks bzflag and flash when it's running
21:32 thexyz           mrtux: have you tried proprietary drivers?
21:32 mrtux            tried to
21:32 mrtux            I got the drivers for my card from the aur
21:32 mrtux            rebooted
21:32 mrtux            and then I logged on, typed startx
21:32 mrtux            nope.
21:33 thexyz           this one https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-173xx/ ?
21:33 mrtux            Yes.
21:33 mrtux            Could be the latest version (updated yesterday apparently)
21:34 mrtux            I'm getting so tired of this
21:39 mrtux            thexyz, this time it's a bit crazier
21:39 mrtux            http://i.imgur.com/k841Hjb.png
21:40 FreeFull         Whoa
21:40 mrtux            yeah... ;_;
21:41 FreeFull         Tried resizing the window?
21:41 mrtux            worked for a second
21:42 mrtux            dammit, where's my windows xp cd
21:42 mrtux            probably should go back
21:42 mrtux            to where things WORKED
21:51 mrtux            I'm going to install the propietary drivers
21:58 mauvebic         xf86-video-nouveau (arch) <- kill it now (with a stick!) lol
21:59 mrtux            lol
21:59 mauvebic         i got both nvidia and ati on seperate, and neither oss driver work for those, so i know your pain lol
21:59 mauvebic         *on seperate towers
22:00 khonkhortisan    I placed lava source on the sand in flatland, then placed and removed dirt on it, and I was left with a slight shadow that soon turned into a black shadow.
22:00 mauvebic         prolly cuz lava is light source
22:01 khonkhortisan    it is, but it shouldn't leave darkness
22:02 mauvebic         yeah no thats maybe a bug lol but you could always hack around it by updating the grounds' param1 when you dig/remove lava
22:02 mauvebic         or worldedit which digs the air above theground
22:02 kaeza            khonkhortisan, that's a bug that's been creeping since ages ago
22:03 khonkhortisan    it good I _do_ have worldedit, that would give me more trouble if I didn't
22:03 mauvebic         well if you want it sortof automated, attach a function to lava :p
22:04 khonkhortisan    it's easier to make a dual 7-segment display use hexidecimal than it is for it to use decimal.
22:05 mauvebic         you lost me :p
22:05 khonkhortisan    Like a digital clock number display.
22:05 khonkhortisan    There are four bits going in for 0-9, then for the next number I have to use some of the previous four bits.
22:06 mauvebic         yeah no i suck at binary lol
22:06 khonkhortisan    Me too
22:09 mauvebic         like mapping xyz in binary, still havent figured out lol
22:09 khonkhortisan    I'm doing numbers-only.
22:09 mauvebic         would save a shitton of room for bp's
22:09 khonkhortisan    You can invent your own ascii-like encoding
22:10 khonkhortisan    I made a keyboard-to-letter display that used the full 26 bits
22:11 mauvebic         for mesecons?
22:11 khonkhortisan    yeah
22:11 khonkhortisan    and connect four (way too many win checks) and an unfinished tic-tac-toe
22:11 khonkhortisan    All without any binary
22:12 mauvebic         well at least its small scale, i much less enjoy trying to make sense of large amounts of binary data lol
22:17 RealBadAngel     http://i.imgur.com/sIsKHqE.jpg
22:17 RealBadAngel     wormhole or just a hole? ;)
22:17 khonkhortisan    cool
22:24 kaeza            RealBadAngel, I tried those stargates, pretty cool indeed
22:24 RealBadAngel     ive updated code recently
22:25 khonkhortisan    Does it only turn on for short periods of time?
22:25 RealBadAngel     no, they will turn on when you will select valid destination
22:25 RealBadAngel     and will remain open
22:26 RealBadAngel     then just goin through will teleport you
22:27 RealBadAngel     notice that destination doesnt have to be paired with origin (but can)
22:28 khonkhortisan    You have public and private teleporters. Can you temporarily change the destination of a public one to go to your private teleporter?
22:29 RealBadAngel     public or private defines the visibility for other players
22:30 RealBadAngel     you can see all your gates private and public and also all the gates that other players marked as public
22:30 RealBadAngel     and set them as destinations
22:31 RealBadAngel     if you will change your public gate back to private, it will dissapear from aviable destinations list for other players simply
22:31 RealBadAngel     and they wont be allowed to use it
22:31 khonkhortisan    So a teleporter only has a single destination at a time, right?
22:32 RealBadAngel     yes
22:32 RealBadAngel     if you want to change it, open form, select another, save
22:33 khonkhortisan    I'm still thinking of the mainframe teleporter system on gameboom.
22:33 hmmmm            http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/12/nyregion/judge-invalidates-bloombergs-soda-ban.html?_r=0
22:33 khonkhortisan    If one person uses a public teleporter to go to their private teleporter, can someone follow them?
22:34 RealBadAngel     not with later coming additions
22:35 khonkhortisan    Will you get the choice to let someone follow you?
22:35 RealBadAngel     im going to add an item, known from stargate sg1 world
22:35 RealBadAngel     radio sender that will emit pass code
22:35 mauvebic         stargates will go nicely with my atlantis mockup
22:35 khonkhortisan    lol they want to appeal the soda
22:36 RealBadAngel     wormhole can be open, but you wont reach destination without proper item weared
22:36 khonkhortisan    where would you go?
22:37 RealBadAngel     in stargate sg1 it would mean sudden death
22:37 RealBadAngel     but here i suppose stay in place will be enough ;)
22:37 khonkhortisan    Don't jump into the teleporter if your ship is stuck
22:38 RealBadAngel     simply, when joinin a game all players will be given ID
22:39 RealBadAngel     when they will craft the item ID will be stored in its meta
22:40 RealBadAngel     so if you will give this item to another player with your ID stored in it
22:40 RealBadAngel     he will be able to use your private gates
22:40 RealBadAngel     but cannot duplicate it
22:41 RealBadAngel     because when  he will craft the same item it will hold his ID in it
22:41 FreeFull         hmmmm: That website is making my refresh button flash
22:41 FreeFull         Or rather blink
22:41 jin_xi           its refreshing
22:41 jin_xi           the soda i mean
22:42 khonkhortisan    I don't think there's even a mod that duplicates items
22:43 RealBadAngel     but if two players craft a pick theyre the same
22:43 RealBadAngel     in this case they wont be the same
22:44 RealBadAngel     thus can be used as "keys"
22:44 RealBadAngel     and one will be able to give away crafted keys to grant access
22:44 khonkhortisan    This key will self-destruct in 10... 9...
22:44 RealBadAngel     lol
22:45 khonkhortisan    wood vs stone maybe
22:45 khonkhortisan    stargates would be an expensive way of making a jail
23:04 mrtux            I think i screwed something up
23:04 mrtux            I no longer have opengl
23:04 mrtux            good day
23:04 mrtux            eh
23:04 mrtux            No GLX support available. OpenGL driver will not work.
23:04 mrtux            Fatal error, could not get visual.
23:07 mrtux            I had to restart xorg.
23:07 mrtux            works
23:21 YoungDerp        stupid windows updaes
23:22 khonkhortisan    updating on its own?
23:22 khonkhortisan    there's a setting for that
23:22 YoungDerp        on windows 8?
23:23 khonkhortisan    eh, there should be? I wouldn't know
23:23 YoungDerp        2%
23:24 khonkhortisan    Control Panel->Windows Update->Change Settings->Never check?
23:24 YoungDerp        3%
23:25 YoungDerp        4%
23:25 YoungDerp        did i mention, I HATE WINDOWS?
23:26 khonkhortisan    I'd like it better if you could mouse paste, lower windows, and control updates, and single-click everything, and line endings were standardized, and qwerty was outlawed except on typewriters...
23:27 YoungDerp        i like qwerty
23:27 YoungDerp        qwerty makes wasd work
23:27 khonkhortisan    I like dvorak. dvorak makes ,aoe work
23:28 YoungDerp        ?
23:28 YoungDerp        qwertyuiop[]\asdfghjkl;'zxcvbnm,./
23:28 khonkhortisan    qwerty is designed to keep a typewriter from jamming. Your computer can't jam. That's enough reason for it to stop being used
23:29 khonkhortisan    ;,.pyfgcrl/aoeuidhtns'qjkxbmwvz
23:29 YoungDerp        qwerty and dvorak but everything else outlawed
23:29 q66              it's stupid to switch keyboard layouts once you're used to one
23:29 q66              there is no good in it
23:29 YoungDerp        standard typing lessons use qwerty
23:29 q66              you just have to re-learn and it's fucking stupid
23:30 YoungDerp        yes^
23:30 khonkhortisan    than we should teach a different layout in school
23:30 khonkhortisan    so people don't have to switch
23:30 q66              why
23:30 q66              there is no advantage to using another layout
23:30 q66              no, you won't type faster with it
23:30 khonkhortisan    yes there is
23:31 khonkhortisan    you will move away from the home row less
23:31 q66              like if that mattered
23:31 khonkhortisan    for people with wrist problems it might make a bigger difference
23:31 YoungDerp        with qwerty, you almost dont moe (unless you are me)
23:31 khonkhortisan    don't what?
23:31 q66              most people don't suffer from wrist problems :P
23:31 YoungDerp        hunt snd peck to the xtreme ftw
23:32 q66              and those who do should do something about it instead of fucking with computers
23:32 YoungDerp        move*
23:32 YoungDerp        and*
23:32 YoungDerp        netbook keyboard
23:32 q66              aw, netbooks
23:32 q66              those small keyboards are way bigger evil than qwerty :P
23:32 YoungDerp        lol
23:33 khonkhortisan    I just think it's better to not use a random layout
23:33 q66              then don't use dvorak
23:33 q66              because that's as random as it can get
23:33 khonkhortisan    what should I use?
23:33 q66              nobody uses it
23:33 q66              everybody uses qwerty :P
23:34 q66              it's what people are used to, and moving to something else is likely to cause you problems
23:34 khonkhortisan    nobody uses programmer dvorak :)
23:34 YoungDerp        how is ;,.pyfgcrl/aoeuidhtns'qjkxbmwvz not random?
23:34 q66              especially when you have to type on someone else's computer that doesn't have your favorite layout set up
23:34 khonkhortisan    e s and t are on the home row
23:35 khonkhortisan    yes, I do have to stay fast on qwerty
23:35 YoungDerp        i use a hunt and peck method
23:36 khonkhortisan    as for the randomness, qwerty is based on the idea of separating common pairs, other keyboards are based on letter frequency, finger strength, alteration, or other things.
23:36 khonkhortisan    Because qwerty is the most used, most people use qwerty. If there was no common keyboard layout, qwerty would disappear. But that's not the case.
23:37 q66              it doesn't really matter what layout you use, only depends on what you are used to
23:37 q66              and as most people use qwerty, it's the most convenient to just use qwerty as well :P
23:38 khonkhortisan    it would matter if all your punctuation was on the home row
23:38 q66              the typing speed difference is not that significant
23:38 q66              it doesn't matter where on the keyboard the keys are as long as they're easily reachable
23:38 YoungDerp        http://walyou.com/img/virtual_laser-keyboard.jpg qwerty
23:38 khonkhortisan    ick
23:38 q66              the distribution of your common typing characters is quite even anyway
23:39 khonkhortisan    do laser keyboards work with touch typing?
23:39 q66              laser keyboards are silly
23:39 q66              virtual keyboards in general
23:39 q66              no mechanical response
23:40 q66              makes typing horribly inconvenient
23:41 YoungDerp        http://www.techpin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/cool-gifts-for-teenagers2.jpg
23:41 YoungDerp        not qwerty
23:41 khonkhortisan    An assortment of varyingly easily reachable keys isn't as good as the most common keys being the easiest to reach, and the least common keys being not-so-easy to reach
23:41 q66              the "most common" set varies depending on the text you're typing
23:41 khonkhortisan    yep
23:42 khonkhortisan    language, programming, in/formal, etc.
23:42 q66              so you can't really have a layout that covers it all
23:42 YoungDerp        http://blog.shoplet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/curved-keyboard.jpg uuum...
23:42 khonkhortisan    why one-handed?
23:43 twenty4          that's a swag keyboard right there
23:43 khonkhortisan    they also make a two-handed version
23:43 khonkhortisan    http://www.accesstechnologiesinc.org/Images/maltron.gif
23:45 q66              http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/03/drumkeyboard.jpg this is the shit :P
23:45 khonkhortisan    woah
23:46 khonkhortisan    how is it set up? Complete keyboard on every drum?
23:46 khonkhortisan    oh it's a joke
23:47 q66              yeah :P
23:47 khonkhortisan    I thought it might possibly be usable for an extremely skilled person
23:47 q66              it was april fools' day joke like a year or two back i think
23:47 q66              i just remembered this now :P
23:48 YoungDerp        WINDOWS.....!
23:48 khonkhortisan    q66, think we'll ever standardize line endings between OSes?
23:48 q66              there is nothing to standardize
23:48 q66              all sane OSes use \n :P
23:49 * khonkhortisan  had to go look that up
23:50 khonkhortisan    yay, mac is on the bandwagon!
23:50 q66              from modern OSes only windows uses CRLF
23:50 q66              everything else uses LF :P
23:51 q66              and there is also LFCR on some obscure OSes (i think risc os)
23:51 YoungDerp        COME ON...
23:51 khonkhortisan    wikipedia gives a list
23:51 khonkhortisan    what percent are you up to?
23:51 q66              huh
23:51 YoungDerp        Configuring Windows features
23:51 YoungDerp        100%
23:51 YoungDerp        for 20 minutes...
23:52 khonkhortisan    you'd think the 100th % takes as long as the 1st %
23:52 khonkhortisan    So windows is really the only one left to change to LF?
23:52 q66              http://xkcd.com/612/
23:52 * YoungDerp      is going to break the other computer...
23:53 twenty4          ew, xkcd
23:53 q66              twenty4 pls
23:54 khonkhortisan    To have two 7-segment displays I might have to decode binary completely to decimal, then almost do a modulus and connect everything back to the first digit.
23:55 YoungDerp        http://xkcd.com/617/
23:55 YoungDerp        http://xkcd.com/619/
23:56 khonkhortisan    There was a bug that only appeared in flash in firefox in linux. None of those three wanted to fix it, it was the other one's problem.
23:57 YoungDerp        desktop update?
23:58 khonkhortisan    I don't remember what it was, but it's fixed now
23:58 khonkhortisan    and flash doesn't play when minetest is running
23:59 Kacey            finally
23:59 q66              i should try how minetest works on freebsd