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00:03 mauvebic well, things are quiet here too lol
00:06 VanessaE RealBadAngel: done, and pushed to technic.
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00:06 mauvebic ooh, there is life here! :p was about to take a trip to lake vostok
00:07 RealBadAngel VanessaE, checkin
00:07 RealBadAngel hi mauvebic
00:07 mauvebic hey hows it going?
00:07 RealBadAngel mauvebic check this out: http://realbadangel.pl/stargate.zip
00:08 mauvebic what does it do and what version minetest is required?
00:08 RealBadAngel stable is ok
00:08 mauvebic is it like a transporter/portal?
00:08 RealBadAngel run it and pick stargate from creative and place it
00:08 RealBadAngel its a teaser
00:09 RealBadAngel not a real mod yet
00:10 cisoun better ? http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6z6ihwYiagY/UTksSE2vaPI/AAAAAAAAAUs/OfjEkHrEnUQ/s1873/minetest.jpg
00:10 cisoun (I would change the title but I'm lazy right now.)
00:10 mauvebic ill give it a shot tho my game's incredibly laggy (hence nothing new coming out my end lol)
00:10 RealBadAngel cool
00:11 RealBadAngel cison, i like it
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00:11 cisoun thanks.
00:12 VanessaE cisoun: very nice
00:12 cisoun o/
00:13 mauvebic older maps work with 0.4.5? know the mapgen changed so
00:14 RealBadAngel VanessaE, cant see any new pushes
00:14 VanessaE RealBadAngel: looks like it went to my fork
00:15 Uberi 0.4.5 is noticably faster and more responsive than 0.4.4
00:15 Uberi whatever you guys did, you did it great
00:15 VanessaE RealBadAngel: merged.
00:15 VanessaE try again
00:15 mauvebic im pretty happy with 0.4.4 though i thought i might copy my map and run it a seperate 0.4.5 instance for visting
00:16 mauvebic + i only just noticed the switch from add to set node lol
00:16 * Kacey is going to stop playing Menche's server until it goes whitelist
00:16 VanessaE note to self:  change technic push address to point to RBA's upstream repo instead of my fork
00:21 VanessaE RealBadAngel: you forgot to create aliases for technic stairs nodes :(
00:21 VanessaE now I have unknown blocks all over the place
00:22 VanessaE concrete at least.
00:23 MiJyn cisoun, I love it :D
00:23 cisoun :)
00:23 MiJyn I like the little player :)
00:23 MiJyn might be better a little bit bigger, but it's fine like that too :)
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00:29 mauvebic hmm, do i need to copy the world, or would a symbolic link work fine?
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00:31 Kacey net split haha
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00:32 VanessaE yep
00:32 VanessaE RealBadAngel: *poke*
00:33 Uberi and the skies split open, and the net issued forth in torrents and streams
00:33 VanessaE heh
00:34 Uberi oh man the working flat map generator is amazing
00:34 Kacey brb
00:35 Uberi although there still seems to be some jungle grass growing for some reason :/
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00:36 Uberi new emerge seems to cause occasional crashes on shutdown when starting a new world
00:37 * Kacey is going to kill youtube...
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00:39 * Uberi pictures Kacey punching server racks
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00:42 Kacey GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!
00:43 Uberi protip: server racks are made of metal
00:43 VanessaE yeah, try a shotgun instead of your hand
00:43 VanessaE :)
00:43 mauvebic and if theyre liquid cooled you have better chances of electrocuting yourself :p
00:43 * Kacey rage quit
00:44 mauvebic wtf, why do i get particles when opening doors? lol
00:44 Uberi well you punch the door so hard that it slams open instantly, chips of wood flying everywhere
00:45 mauvebic lol
00:45 Uberi fortunately, the door is sentient and has incredible regenerative abilities, so it never wears out
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00:50 mauvebic ooh, tiny nodeboxes dont seem to flicker anymore :)
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01:24 sdzen hello!
01:24 sdzen anyone seen nekogloop as of late?
01:27 mauvebic guess not :p
01:29 Uberi saw him yesterday, I think
01:29 Uberi ^ sdzen
01:29 sdzen okay then :P
01:29 * sdzen gives Uberi a Trout
01:29 sdzen thank you!
01:30 mauvebic sure is dead here today lol
01:30 mauvebic maybe cuz i aint been on in two weeks lol
01:30 sdzen that long?
01:30 sdzen I didn't notice!
01:30 * Uberi gives sdzen a truckload of kittens
01:30 mauvebic seemed busier two weeks ago :p
01:31 Uberi it was busier, but today is thursday
01:31 sdzen not that I've been paying attention to minetest IRC for the past two weeks either :)
01:31 Uberi and before March Break, too
01:31 Uberi honestly, who is doing work on the day before the friday before the 10 day vacation?
01:31 mauvebic meh, thats for you guys :P us workers dont get march breaks
01:32 Uberi what? that's not fair at all
01:32 Uberi we can make *every day* Saturday
01:32 mauvebic still with a new version and all, i expect the forums/irc/wtv to be a bit livelier lol
01:32 mauvebic *xpected
01:32 Uberi yeah, same here
01:33 mauvebic not only that, new mods have dropped off too
01:33 Uberi well, we pretty much have all the basics covered
01:34 mauvebic thats a temporary state :P
01:34 mauvebic then someone comes up with a new concept, and the derivate projects that flow from that picks things up again
01:34 Uberi I suppose you're right there
01:37 mauvebic besides people dont sit still too long lol
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01:47 Kacey that's sad...
01:47 mauvebic ?
01:47 Kacey i grep the logs and nobody noticed my rage quit
01:47 mauvebic lol
01:47 Kacey >=(
01:48 Uberi we were too busy talking about beating up doors
01:48 Kacey im still pissed so...
01:48 mauvebic ragequit for me is when the same douch on return to castle wolf.. keeps gunning me down over and over, last FPS i played lol
01:48 VanessaE pissed at what, anyway?
01:49 Kacey everything
01:49 VanessaE that narrows it down
01:49 mauvebic lol
01:49 Uberi well at least you know it isn't nothing now
01:50 sdzen lets see if nothing is included in everything because it indeed is under being a thing....
01:50 sdzen nothing=everything
01:50 sdzen so :)
01:51 mauvebic well nothing should be nil or 0, and everything would prolly be infinity?
01:52 sdzen (1/0)=(2/0)=(999999999999999999999999/0)=(0/0)
01:52 sdzen :)
01:52 Uberi does the set of all sets contain itself?
01:52 mauvebic lol, what was the question?
01:52 Uberi er
01:53 Uberi why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways?
01:53 sdzen yes, no maybe
01:53 sdzen because we can
01:53 sdzen bang I win
01:53 Uberi :O
01:53 mauvebic depends how close you are to city
01:53 mauvebic then highways become parkings
01:54 sdzen let me finish that for you
01:54 sdzen *parking spots*
01:54 Uberi heheheh
01:56 mauvebic in the 70's they filled in a perfectly nice canal to make *drumroll* a giant parking lol
01:56 Uberi I love it when they build parking lols
01:57 sdzen build war not lots
01:57 sdzen :)
01:57 sdzen war lowers population
01:57 sdzen less population
01:57 mauvebic how old are you?
01:57 sdzen less need for more parking lots
01:58 mauvebic they dont exactly send old people out to war to die first
01:58 sdzen true
01:58 sdzen why would they?
01:58 mauvebic well as a last resort theyll take old and young
01:58 Uberi well I dunno, war isn't THAT good of a population control
01:58 sdzen a person is a person
01:58 Uberi look at what happened after WWII
01:58 mauvebic naw a one child policy would be better
01:58 sdzen age is no diff :)
01:59 Uberi baby boom, population exploded
01:59 sdzen put uranium in the water supply
01:59 sdzen :)
01:59 mauvebic they should also stop giving extra welfare for each kid
01:59 Uberi um
02:00 sdzen yes
02:00 mauvebic thats a big thing around here right now lol
02:00 mauvebic though theyre cutting it back for old people too and i dont approve of that
02:02 mauvebic though if governments wanted to reduce the population, you wouldn't have immigration
02:04 Uberi well really the birth rate isn't enough to sustain many of the nations
02:04 Uberi all of the growth comes from immigration
02:04 Uberi you would better control it by enforcing stricter immigration laws
02:04 mauvebic yeah and immigration saves the cost of educating new citizens as they usually already have it
02:05 mauvebic though in ten years it will prolly be mostly private education
02:06 mauvebic so it wont matter as much by then
02:11 Uberi oh no I hope not
02:17 mauvebic meh, already costs a fortune today lol
02:18 Uberi over here everything until secondary school is subsidized
02:20 mauvebic money aint the problem here, theyll lend you as much as you want while youre in school, its what happens after lol
02:22 Uberi bam, interest rates
02:23 mauvebic thats when the banks have intercourse with you
02:24 mauvebic lol http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/simcity
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02:41 Kacey night all
03:08 VanessaE wb shadow
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03:23 ShadowNinja This seems to cause a floating-point exception: (screensize.Width/2)/splashsize.X
03:26 hmmmm the width of the splash image seems to be 0
03:28 ShadowNinja yes, I see that
03:28 ShadowNinja sending the above to errorstream causes the exception
03:31 VanessaE let me know when to try your repo again :)
03:32 ShadowNinja splashsize.X == 0...
03:33 ShadowNinja do you know why?
03:34 hmmmm me?
03:34 ShadowNinja anyone
03:34 VanessaE beats me
03:35 hmmmm we aren't psychic
03:35 VanessaE I couldn't code myself out of a C++ paper bag as it is :)
03:36 hmmmm heh
03:36 hmmmm mapgen_torch isn't defined anymore
03:36 hmmmm wonder who removed that
03:39 hmmmm darnest thing, i completely removed the check to not make a dungeon if it's above ground level, and i still haven't seen any dungeons generate in the sky
03:39 hmmmm also they're quite rare for some odd reason
03:39 hmmmm even though there's no code to limit it
03:42 Uberi hey hmmmm, you probably didn't see this earlier, but the new emerge stuff is fantastic
03:42 Uberi runs like butter now
03:42 hmmmm really?  thanks
03:42 Uberi bye everyone!
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03:43 VanessaE hmmmm: have you tried RealBadAngel's trick of aliasing cave air to some other block (he used mese)?
03:43 VanessaE just to see what really comes out of the code
03:43 hmmmm that was my trick actually
03:43 VanessaE oh heh
03:43 VanessaE well there ya go
03:43 hmmmm dungeons set cobble or mossy cobble
03:43 hmmmm i should be able to see them just fine
03:43 VanessaE oh right, dungeons, not caves
03:44 VanessaE duh
03:44 hmmmm the air->mese thing was for caves which only set air
03:45 hmmmm ahhh, it's really rare to get a complex dungeon system with more than two rooms, but once you do, it's extremely nice looking
03:46 VanessaE you putting this back into the engine?  as in C++?
03:46 hmmmm yes
03:46 VanessaE (as if that question were really necessary..)
03:47 hmmmm i broke it off into its own source file, made it into a class, cleaned up the code quite a bit, and now i need to replace the perlin noise calls with accesses to perlin noise maps, a la my newer noise code
03:47 VanessaE cool
03:47 hmmmm gosh i can't even call it new noise code because it's been so long since i added that
03:47 VanessaE can I request a feature?
03:48 VanessaE an lua callback to generate a tree, something I can hook into so that I don't have to route beech trees in the moretrees mod through plants_lib (those are the proposed replacement for the default trees)
03:49 VanessaE every time a tree is generated by the mapgen, have it check/execute that callback first so I can interfere with it :)
03:50 hmmmm yeah i guess i'll throw that in along with DecorationDef
03:50 VanessaE thanks
03:51 hmmmm haha
03:51 VanessaE ?
03:51 hmmmm i'm starting to kind of like minetest
03:51 VanessaE oh boy
03:51 hmmmm everything is coming together so well
03:51 VanessaE oh heh
03:51 hmmmm it's at the point where i can't call it shit anymore
03:52 VanessaE I read that expecting "everything is just such a wonderful challenge! :-S"
03:52 VanessaE :)
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03:56 hmmmm i'm gonna need mossy cobble stairs in default i think
03:57 hmmmm minetest_game rather
03:57 VanessaE merge moreblocks but wait for cal to fix the current bugs.  it covers all of that now.
03:57 hmmmm if i'm gonna do this, it's going to be done the right way, no cutting corners
03:57 VanessaE (stairsplus was merged into it)
04:00 hmmmm what other blocks are in moreblocks exactly... i don't want to get silly and add more blocks than we really need to just for one specific block
04:00 ShadowNinja does anyone know how I can do something like this? splashsize *= (800/2)/415;
04:00 hmmmm how about by doing that
04:01 VanessaE lesse..various cuts of glass, glowing glass, tree blocks, wood planks, wooden tiles, stone, cobble, mossy cobble, bricks, and a number of others.
04:01 VanessaE Each comes in about 25 or different cuts e.g. stairs, slabs, wall slabs, 1/2-thick slabs, partial stairs, and a bunch others
04:02 hmmmm like on your own server how there are 50 different types of blocks for each?
04:02 hmmmm :/
04:02 VanessaE http://i.imgur.com/E6NBSCS.png
04:02 hmmmm yeah exactly.. i'd rather NOT have that
04:02 VanessaE that is marble from technic, but you can see how many cuts there are.
04:02 hmmmm just need plain ol' mossy cobble stairs
04:03 VanessaE I'm kinda surprised the default stairs mod doesn't cover that
04:06 hmmmm i think eventually i want to try an L-system based dungeon generator
04:06 VanessaE should do quite well
04:07 VanessaE but you'll need to patch into L-systems to allow for replacing nodes, it won't do that at the moment.
04:07 VanessaE (which is fucking irritating)
04:08 VanessaE one trees grows next to another, the leaves from the first basically cut through the second because the second won't replace them with the newly-added trunks
04:08 VanessaE -s
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04:41 hmmmm ahh, i see why dungeons don't spawn in the air even without the check
04:43 hmmmm gotta wonder, then, why do they spawn somewhat in the air close to ground level, no higher than y=10
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04:55 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Try the menu now
04:55 VanessaE ok
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05:00 VanessaE ShadowNinja: no good.  images don't display.
05:01 ShadowNinja hmm, works for me, are you using the defaults?
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05:01 VanessaE nope, I'm using two images prepared for this purpose, which I've stuck into ~/.minetest/textures/all
05:02 ShadowNinja try with the defaults, they might be too tall
05:02 VanessaE wait, had to fix one
05:03 ShadowNinja If they don't fit they arn't drawn
05:03 VanessaE menusplash.png is a 1280x1024 png image with some transparent areas, menufooter.png is 1280x200 and it displays but is scaled down somewhat smaller than intended.
05:03 ShadowNinja *aren't
05:03 VanessaE expanding the window way beyond 1280x1024 is not enough to make the menusplash.png show up.
05:04 ShadowNinja menusplash is probably too big
05:05 VanessaE this worked fine with menulogo.png - if it was too bug, it simply exceeded the window border.
05:05 VanessaE the image should be scaled to match the window size (keep aspect)
05:05 ShadowNinja beyond 1280x1024? how big a monitor do you have?
05:05 VanessaE exactly that size.
05:05 VanessaE two of them in fact.
05:05 VanessaE I can expand past 1280x1024 if I want, xfce lets me easily
05:06 ShadowNinja how?
05:06 VanessaE I just grab the edges, drag a bit, then move the window over, repeat until I know it is bigger than my monitor
05:06 VanessaE same way I was able to take those large screenshots seen in some of my posts.
05:06 ShadowNinja ah
05:07 ShadowNinja so how do you want this done exactly? should huge images be drawn?
05:08 VanessaE they should be scaled to the window size, whether smaller or larger.
05:08 ShadowNinja well that is what is done
05:09 VanessaE then something ain't workin, because the image just doesn't appear.
05:09 VanessaE try it.
05:13 ShadowNinja What I get: http://ubuntuone.com/3z5UBzFX7TbXnY7vvqPgWv and http://ubuntuone.com/0aDfUvSZ50fHmUlkrhEwUR
05:17 VanessaE but did you try it with hirez images?
05:17 VanessaE (because those don't look like it)
05:19 VanessaE gimme a sec and I'll post the images I'm using.
05:20 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/menusplash.png
05:20 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/menufooter.png
05:21 VanessaE use regular default textures, but stick these into ~/.minetest/textures/all
05:22 ShadowNinja splash is too big, should be background
05:22 VanessaE what's the filename, just background.png?
05:22 ShadowNinja menubg.png iirc
05:22 VanessaE I'll check
05:23 VanessaE nopers.
05:23 ShadowNinja and for the footer just put "by cel...", put minetest in the splash
05:23 VanessaE doesn't work when named menubg.png either.
05:23 VanessaE however now the default splash at the top shows up.
05:23 ShadowNinja I think I might have to rewrite the bg function
05:24 VanessaE naw
05:24 VanessaE just fix menusplash.png so it can do what I was trying to do
05:24 ShadowNinja so that it doesn't always just tile
05:24 VanessaE what I'm doing technically is a "splash" image after all :)
05:24 ShadowNinja that is not what the splash is designed for
05:24 VanessaE hrm
05:24 ShadowNinja that should be bg
05:25 VanessaE not gonna work
05:25 VanessaE because your clouds override menubg
05:25 VanessaE so it'll never be seen
05:25 VanessaE a new image filename is needed for this
05:25 VanessaE or one of the new ones you added needs to be adapted.
05:26 VanessaE any other way is guaranteed to break something.
05:26 ShadowNinja yes, if they want the tp background they turn clouds off
05:26 VanessaE no0
05:26 VanessaE that's entirely wrong
05:27 VanessaE people barely know how to install texture packs and mods
05:27 ShadowNinja and you lit them have clouds iff they want
05:27 VanessaE having them edit minetest.conf is guaranteed to fail.
05:27 ShadowNinja I can disable it by default but then nobody will turn it on
05:28 VanessaE well, just do what I said then :)
05:28 ShadowNinja then I would have clouds and a bg/splash covering it
05:28 VanessaE yes exactly.
05:29 VanessaE that's the whole point
05:29 ShadowNinja wasting cpu
05:29 ShadowNinja How about this
05:29 VanessaE then turn off the clouds if the image has no transparency?
05:29 ShadowNinja If there is a bg use it and disable clouds, otherwise use clouds
05:30 VanessaE well
05:30 VanessaE I guess that'll work
05:30 ShadowNinja and just remove the default bg
05:30 VanessaE but,
05:30 VanessaE you'll notice that I made the larger image with a transparent sky
05:30 VanessaE so that those animated clouds can show through
05:31 ShadowNinja hmmm, not sure how we can do that
05:31 VanessaE you already do it now.
05:31 VanessaE just allow for oversized menusplash.png
05:31 VanessaE the rest will take care of itself.
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05:32 ShadowNinja maybe a cloud overlay image?
05:33 VanessaE eh?
05:33 ShadowNinja something that can be placed over clouds
05:33 ShadowNinja or a setting
05:33 VanessaE an image then.
05:33 VanessaE not a setting.
05:33 VanessaE a texture pack can't override a setting.
05:34 ShadowNinja would be nice to have tp settings
05:34 VanessaE maybe
05:34 VanessaE call menu_underlay.png
05:35 VanessaE i
05:35 VanessaE *sigh*
05:35 VanessaE call it menu_underlay.png
05:35 VanessaE there.
05:35 VanessaE my hands are just not working today
05:38 VanessaE or
05:38 VanessaE put the big "MINETEST" into a new file, menuheader.png
05:38 VanessaE and use menusplash.png for what I'm trying to do.
05:38 VanessaE since you already have a menufooter.png image
05:39 ShadowNinja ok
05:40 VanessaE I'm just trying to avoid terminology confusion for the future
05:44 ShadowNinja so should it be called underlay or splash
05:44 VanessaE yes
05:44 VanessaE because of how it will be used
05:45 ShadowNinja yes? that isn't a valid answer
05:45 VanessaE OH
05:45 VanessaE I took that as a yes/no, not an either-or :-)
05:45 VanessaE splash.
05:45 ShadowNinja ok
05:51 ShadowNinja grrr, it prints could not load texture over and over if you have no splash
05:52 ShadowNinja It works just like you want now
05:53 VanessaE \o/
05:53 ShadowNinja clouds are too big, but I can fix that easily
05:53 VanessaE no need to resize them on my account
05:55 ShadowNinja now I need a default splash or a way to stop it from printing all those errors
05:56 VanessaE easy, make the default image blank
05:56 ShadowNinja yea, wish there was annother way
05:56 VanessaE ok that's a kludge :)
05:57 ShadowNinja at least a 1x1 won't take up too much space
05:58 VanessaE what happens if you use a zero-length file?
05:58 VanessaE you know, `touch menusplash.png` or something
05:58 ShadowNinja hmmm
06:00 ShadowNinja could not load
06:00 VanessaE damn
06:00 VanessaE well, transparent 1px it is I guess
06:00 VanessaE unless you know how to fix it of course.
06:01 ShadowNinja can I use this to check if a texture exists? getTexturePath("menubg.png")
06:01 VanessaE dunno
06:01 ShadowNinja or is there a better way
06:03 kaeza ShadowNinja, if you can fix it so there's a way to check if a texture actually exists, can that custom crosshair texture branch/commit/whatever be merged at last?
06:04 ShadowNinja I think there is a pull reques for that
06:04 kaeza I'd really like to see that in game
06:04 kaeza ditto for a function in Lua to change crosshairs on the fly
06:06 ShadowNinja aha, it got pulled
06:07 ShadowNinja isKnownSourceImage()
06:09 ShadowNinja I can fix that properly now, just not with that
06:09 ShadowNinja no 1x1
06:10 VanessaE oh good
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06:20 ShadowNinja Should I make normal backgrounds tile like before?
06:22 VanessaE yeah
06:22 VanessaE let menubg tile like it always has
06:22 VanessaE no reason to change that
06:24 kaeza what is this... I don't even... O_o http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=74569#p74569
06:25 VanessaE maybe he means something like what I created so mods could support unified dyes more easily.
06:25 VanessaE but what he wants would be almost impossible to make without being highly bloated.
06:26 kaeza yeah,I know what you mean, but I mean, since every mod is different, what is the purpose?
06:26 VanessaE *shrug* dunno
06:27 kaeza actually, there are pseudo-templates in lua_api.txt
06:29 kaeza anyway, I'm up for an idea to make an IDE to develop mods. I mean, integrated text editor, node editor (with preview) and stuff like that
06:31 * kaeza is experimenting with Swing :P
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06:37 ShadowNinja VanessaE: pull now
06:37 VanessaE checking
06:40 VanessaE LOAD PNG: can't read file
06:40 VanessaE spamming the console like mad
06:40 VanessaE (menusplash.png)
06:40 ShadowNinja hmmm, you have one?
06:40 VanessaE not yet.
06:41 VanessaE hrm
06:41 VanessaE what are our filenames at this point?
06:41 VanessaE menusplash, menufooter, menulogo ?
06:42 ShadowNinja logo, menusplash, menufooter, menuheader
06:42 VanessaE ok
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06:44 VanessaE ooooo
06:44 VanessaE almost got it perfect now
06:44 ShadowNinja but that shouldn't have printed those errors, I have them too
06:45 VanessaE with a blank menuheader.png, and menusplash and menufooter as I drew them, I get this:
06:45 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/menu1.png
06:46 VanessaE the footer is sized wrong (it should be about twice that width)
06:46 VanessaE so we're really close now
06:47 ShadowNinja ah, I forgot to delete the file I touched
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06:51 VanessaE actually, come to think of it...
06:51 VanessaE the size you have it at right now might be just right
06:52 VanessaE yeah, in fact let's keep things exactly as they are in this pull (save for that extra, touched file)
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06:56 VanessaE now, where menubg.png is provided, menusplash should override it.
06:57 VanessaE instead of the other way 'round
06:57 VanessaE (if both are present I mean)
06:58 ShadowNinja so if bg and not splash
06:58 VanessaE if bg and splash exist, use splash.
06:59 VanessaE er, yeah
06:59 VanessaE what you said :-)
06:59 VanessaE (didn't read that as a logical operator the first time)
06:59 ShadowNinja if (getTexturePath("menusplash.png") != "" || getTexturePath("menubg.png") == "") //clouds
07:00 VanessaE I think so
07:01 VanessaE but bear in mind default menubg.png will always (in theory) be present
07:02 ShadowNinja no, I remaved that, do you think I should keep it?
07:02 VanessaE well
07:02 ShadowNinja *removed
07:02 VanessaE what happens, on a stock install with no texture pack, if the cloud menu is disabled?
07:03 VanessaE what gets drawn then?
07:03 ShadowNinja I removed the setting, by default you get clouds unless you provide a menubg
07:03 VanessaE ahhh
07:03 VanessaE ok
07:04 VanessaE well in that case, I doubt anyone will complain too loudly
07:04 VanessaE check for the presence of menusplash and use that if found.  If not found, check for menubg.  If neither is found, use the plain clouds.  Then overlay header/footer/logo
07:05 ShadowNinja that is what it does
07:05 VanessaE "then overlay.." -> "after all checks, overlay on top of whatever is being drawn.."
07:05 VanessaE ok
07:05 VanessaE but you're overriding menusplash if menubg is present.
07:06 VanessaE it should be the reverse.
07:06 VanessaE if menusplash is present, menubg should be ignored.
07:06 ShadowNinja I just changed it
07:08 ShadowNinja github updated
07:08 VanessaE trying
07:11 VanessaE ok, I think we're good.
07:12 VanessaE yep, it's working perfectly.
07:14 VanessaE it merges into HDX perfectly.
07:14 VanessaE merge that sucker :-)
07:16 VanessaE recommend you put menubg.png into some sort of "attic" folder so it can be manually copied to the right place by the user if they want it
07:17 VanessaE somewhere where the game won't see it normally
07:17 VanessaE s/game/engine/
07:17 ShadowNinja I think it is just the dirt texture from minimal
07:17 VanessaE actually I think you're right
07:17 VanessaE in that case, fuck it :D
07:19 VanessaE also, you might want to amend your commit message since you got rid of that cloud_menu_background setting
07:22 ShadowNinja fixed
07:23 ShadowNinja anything else?
07:23 VanessaE nope
07:23 VanessaE I say push that sucker to upstream
07:28 ShadowNinja what about this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1529
07:29 VanessaE mmm
07:29 VanessaE just at the main menu?
07:30 VanessaE (not sure why you highlighted that particular line)
07:31 ShadowNinja it draws the background(if it exists) while "waiting for other menus"
07:31 VanessaE hmm
07:31 ShadowNinja do you know when that happens?
07:31 VanessaE no clue
07:31 VanessaE in fact I don't recall ever seeing that message
07:32 VanessaE there's a split second (on my box) where the window is black before the menu appears
07:32 VanessaE but not enough to waste time drawing anything on
07:35 ShadowNinja ok, I will ignore it then
07:36 ShadowNinja anything I should mention on the pull request?
07:40 ShadowNinja pull 532
07:40 ShadowNinja and now time for bed
07:40 ShadowNinja bye
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08:40 VanessaE bedtime for me also, at least in theory.
08:40 VanessaE night all.
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09:40 markveidemanis Hi
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11:02 markveidemanis Who has an android
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11:09 Infinity_69 hi
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11:28 Infinity_69 !b64e
11:28 Infinity_69 nope :/
11:29 Infinity_69 RealBadAngel
11:29 markveidemanis !b64e hello
11:29 Infinity_69 hey mark...
11:29 markveidemanis not here lol
11:29 Infinity_69 how good are you at php/javascript?
11:29 markveidemanis as good as a cat flap in a barn
11:30 markveidemanis lol
11:30 markveidemanis never used it
11:30 Infinity_69 oh...
11:30 markveidemanis what did you want to do?
11:31 Infinity_69 i want it to redirect the "user" from one person to another
11:31 Infinity_69 after logging in
11:31 Infinity_69 or if the password is incorrect, then back to login.php
11:35 kaeza Infinity_69, header('Location: /login.php') ?
11:35 Infinity_69 -.-
11:35 Infinity_69 so header('location: /where2go') ?
11:35 kaeza yep
11:35 Infinity_69 THANKS
11:35 Infinity_69 A
11:35 Infinity_69 LOT
11:35 kaeza n
11:35 kaeza p
11:36 markveidemanis can you say that and not make it seem sarcastic?
11:37 markveidemanis kaeza: pick a letter: A.B or C
11:37 Infinity_69 A.B
11:37 kaeza Infinity_69, It's preferable you don't output anything else after calling header() that way
11:37 kaeza just exit()
11:37 kaeza or whatever that was
11:38 markveidemanis A == ice cream B == darelea dunkers C == coke
11:38 * kaeza 's PHP skillz are bad, and he should feel bad
11:38 Infinity_69 AC
11:38 markveidemanis hello, what about me and python...?
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11:48 markveidemanis http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/41068/bluetooth-headset-to-phone
11:51 Infinity_69 kaeza
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11:51 Infinity_69 need html help
11:51 Infinity_69 the most basic button wont work :/
11:51 markveidemanis i know as much as html.
11:51 markveidemanis use python:D
11:51 Infinity_69 <a href="register.php"><button>Register</button></a>
11:51 Infinity_69 it wont work
11:51 kaeza Infinity_69, nope
11:51 Infinity_69 wont go to register.php
11:52 markveidemanis #php
11:52 kaeza <form action="register.php"><button type="submit" value="Send Me!"></button></form>
11:52 Infinity_69 oh :D
11:52 markveidemanis lol
11:53 kaeza Infinity_69, ofc, you pu your other form elements inside <form>
11:53 kaeza <form ...> <input type="entry" name="foobar"></input>
11:54 kaeza put*
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11:56 markveidemanis jojoa do /nickserv ghost jojoa1997 <password>
11:56 Infinity_69 replace /nickserv with /ns
11:56 Infinity_69 WORKS
11:56 Infinity_69 only on the freenode qwebirc
11:56 markveidemanis hard to break habits
11:56 markveidemanis also you can have cs and ms
11:56 Infinity_69 cs?
11:57 jojoa1997_ it says i cant
11:57 Infinity_69 ms?
11:57 Infinity_69 wut
11:57 markveidemanis /counter-strike op #minetest player
11:57 markveidemanis memoserv :D
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11:57 Infinity_69 i know cs is cstrike...
11:57 Infinity_69 memoserv?
11:57 Infinity_69 DAFUQxD
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11:57 markveidemanis /ms send <name> message
11:59 Infinity_69 kaeza
11:59 markveidemanis kaeza
11:59 markveidemanis http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/41068/bluetooth-headset-to-phone
11:59 Infinity_69 SPAM
12:00 Infinity_69 sfan5, VanessaE, Everybody, markveidemains is 2 things!
12:00 Infinity_69 a Spammer
12:00 kaeza Infinity_69, instead of writing my name and question/statement into different messages, please do so in a single line. thanks :)
12:00 Infinity_69 a Off-Topic'r
12:00 Infinity_69 :D
12:00 Infinity_69 ok
12:00 Infinity_69 kaeza...
12:00 markveidemanis offtopic?
12:00 Infinity_69 offtopic-spam
12:00 Infinity_69 :D
12:00 kaeza oh wait... markv is here?
12:00 markveidemanis 'THANKS A LOT' on separate lines?
12:00 markveidemanis PHP?
12:00 Infinity_69 kaeza
12:00 Infinity_69 $_SESSION['loggedInUser'] = $userUsername;
12:01 Infinity_69 thats how i start a "session"
12:01 markveidemanis ^offtopic
12:01 Infinity_69 but how do i make an if statement
12:01 Infinity_69 if a session is already started then do this, if not then do that...
12:01 Infinity_69 how?
12:01 kaeza Infinity_69, → ##php
12:01 Infinity_69 Pastie
12:01 jojoa1997 guys i have made a second npc type
12:01 Infinity_69 NO!
12:01 jojoa1997 me?
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12:08 jojoa1997 Infinity_69 was that "NO!" to me?
12:09 Infinity_69 ugh...idk...
12:09 Infinity_69 i /clear 'd the screen :D
12:10 jojoa1997 then go here http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
12:11 Infinity_69 oh, no it wasnt
12:11 Infinity_69 kaeza told me ##php
12:12 markveidemanis NO
12:12 Infinity_69 i didnt want to go there
12:12 Infinity_69 :D
12:12 Infinity_69 BROFIST!
12:12 markveidemanis NO :D
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12:13 Infinity_69 :O
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12:14 markveidemanis i haet you too
12:14 Infinity_69 TYPE
12:14 Infinity_69 TYPO*
12:14 Infinity_69 xD
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12:14 markveidemanis OH the IRPNt
12:14 Infinity_69 o
12:14 Infinity_69 m
12:14 Infinity_69 u
12:14 Infinity_69 c
12:15 Infinity_69 you screw it up!
12:15 markveidemanis lol
12:15 markveidemanis wanna spam; go to #mtmt
12:15 * jojoa1997 muwhahahaha
12:15 markveidemanis message to #minetest throttled due to spamming?
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12:19 markveidemanis -rowling.freenode.net- *** Message to #mtmt throttled due to flooding im not the one flooding
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12:19 Infinity_69 john_minetest
12:19 Infinity_69 hi
12:19 john_minetest hi Ragnar.
12:20 markveidemanis AHA!
12:20 john_minetest hi mark.
12:20 markveidemanis go to #mtmt LOL xD spam
12:20 Infinity_69 john, #mtmt is flooded with this:
12:20 Infinity_69 Love porn? go to redtube.com! im here for VPGaming.Bugs3.com
12:20 Infinity_69 b
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12:20 Infinity_69 s
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12:20 Infinity_69 e
12:20 Infinity_69 r
12:20 Infinity_69 BROFIST
12:20 john_minetest Best server ad is:
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12:21 markveidemanis YOU FORGOT THE HTTP://
12:21 Infinity_69 john, do you use windows?
12:21 markveidemanis http://"
12:21 Infinity_69 INOGIVEASHIT
12:21 john_minetest Best server ad: Help, I am trapped in a hole on server <ip> port <port> without a shovel! I can't get out! Somebody join and help me!
12:21 john_minetest And I am not using windows.
12:21 Infinity_69 oh...
12:22 Infinity_69 who uses windows
12:22 Infinity_69 i need a zipped archive of Python2/3
12:22 Infinity_69 pref.3
12:22 markveidemanis john_minetest: http://ompldr.org/vaG90Mg/2013-03-08-122213_1024x600_scrot.png
12:22 markveidemanis help
12:24 Infinity_69 markveidemains
12:24 Infinity_69 yuno use ubuntu?
12:24 markveidemanis ima not use ubuntu cz i lik lubuntu an hav slo prosessor
12:25 Infinity_69 LAWL
12:25 Infinity_69 13:37
12:25 Infinity_69 xD
12:25 markveidemanis UMT plz
12:25 markveidemanis *GMT
12:29 kaeza gooby pls
12:30 markveidemanis gooby?
12:30 markveidemanis gooby gooby doo
12:31 kaeza does anyone actually use Blockforge?
12:31 markveidemanis kaeza
12:32 kaeza I tried it long ago, and it was ugly as s#17
12:32 markveidemanis Infinity_69: post <markveidemanis> kaeza: http://ompldr.org/vaG90Mg/2013-03-08-122213_1024x600_scrot.png  help
12:33 kaeza <Infinity_69> 13:37
12:33 kaeza nope
12:33 kaeza 10:33
12:33 Infinity_69 :D
12:34 markveidemanis Infinity_69, plz post what i said
12:34 markveidemanis kaeza is ignoring me
12:35 Infinity_69 <markveidemanis> kaeza: http://ompldr.org/vaG90Mg/2013-03-08-122213_1024x600_scrot.png  help
12:35 markveidemanis thanks
12:35 Infinity_69 /ignore markveidemanis
12:35 kaeza markveidemanis, → #python
12:35 john_minetest markveidemanis: Never used this. I know a bit of C++ but no python and no tk.
12:37 markveidemanis ok
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12:37 kaeza john_minetest, no use explaining that
12:37 kaeza +to markv
12:38 john_minetest Freshmeat... isn't this the old name of freecode?
12:38 kaeza markveidemanis, learn to walk before you can run. that is all I have to say
12:38 kaeza yep
12:38 markveidemanis kaeza came up with the script in the first place
12:40 * kaeza wonders why out of ~80 users (average) in this channel, only 15-20 are active
12:41 markveidemanis most are ignored
12:42 * Infinity_69 ignored markveidemanis
12:42 kaeza inb4 <markveidemanis> they are ignored!
12:42 markveidemanis you cant ignore with qwebirc
12:45 * Infinity_69 uses xChat
12:45 Infinity_69 >:/
12:46 * kaeza uses butterflies
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12:47 markveidemanis i thought u ignored me!
12:52 Infinity_69 mark
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13:43 markveidemanis Hi sfan
13:43 markveidemanis http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/41068/bluetooth-headset-to-phone
13:47 RealBadAngel hello #minetest :)
13:47 RealBadAngel happy weekend
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14:01 kaeza hello RBA
14:01 kaeza how is it going?
14:03 RealBadAngel just came back from work
14:03 RealBadAngel so it means weekend just started :)
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14:06 markveidemanis 10 reasons why men are lazy:
14:06 markveidemanis 1)
14:06 RealBadAngel youre too lazy to write them all? ;)
14:07 markveidemanis Zzzz
14:07 markveidemanis me get ice cream
14:08 markveidemanis http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/41068/bluetooth-headset-to-phone
14:12 kaeza markveidemanis, stop spamming that link plz. BTW, I was reading the log; I still have you in my ignore list
14:14 kaeza not that I care really. I just don't see it :)
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14:24 * kaeza is now trying to add threading support to mapp :D
14:26 hmmmm mapp?
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14:32 Kacey hi all
14:35 markveidemanis Hi Kacey
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14:39 Kacey woot
14:39 Kaceygame <Kacey> hi all
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14:41 kaeza hmmmm, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4922
14:41 Kaceygame <Kacey> kaeza: i am using your irc mod ^_^
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14:42 kaeza this currently blocks the server, so I'm trying to come up with a way to simulate threading
14:42 kaeza actually, using Lua coroutines
14:43 Kacey laggy
14:49 Kaceygame <Kacey> it's quiet on irc...
14:50 Kaceygame <Kacey> h8i
14:50 Kaceygame <Kacey> hi even
14:51 kaeza Player Kacey is at (-212.25,2.50,232.96)
14:51 Kaceygame <Kacey> im running around crazily
14:51 kaeza Kacey, /msg Kaceygame !whereis Kacey
14:52 Kacey naw i have f5
14:53 kaeza ProTipâ„¢: you can do "/msg kaeza Hello!" from in-game
14:54 Kacey <invalid multibyte string>
14:55 kaeza Yep it has problems with Unicode ©®
14:55 kaeza I think it's more of an engine issue, but I'm not sure
14:55 Kacey it isn't showing your mesaages in-game
14:56 Kaceygame <Kacey> nvm it kinda is
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14:59 Kacey bye all
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15:19 kaeza yay done
15:19 tripod yay!
15:19 tripod congrats
15:21 kaeza now I have a small...ish problem
15:21 kaeza I cannot test this myself
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15:24 kaeza can someone help me test this?
15:24 kaeza I need to know if the server keeps responding while loading the map
15:25 kaeza well... better not
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15:29 markveidemanis !up minetest.org
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15:34 kaeza how do I select which is the current branch?
15:34 kaeza +in git
15:40 kaeza ah nvm, found it
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15:49 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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15:54 PilzAdam lol, jojoa01997 in a PM: "could you please make a build of this https://github.com/rarkenin/minetest-bot-php"
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16:13 Jordach ugh.
16:14 Jordach i've just realised the impossible
16:14 jojoqa1997 pilzadam i saw that in the logs
16:14 PilzAdam and?
16:16 Jordach wow #minetest has become quiet recently
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16:19 Jordach HUH.
16:20 sfan5 HUH
16:20 kaeza HUH
16:20 PilzAdam HUH
16:20 * Jordach does not see many minetest simple packs
16:20 sfan5 HUH
16:21 sfan5 texture packs?
16:21 PilzAdam Jordach, simple mobs?
16:21 Jordach PilzAdam, textures
16:22 sfan5 Jordach: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=240
16:22 NekoGloop|Laptop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSD6R4guNyI
16:24 kaeza Jordach, find ~/.minetest/mods/minetest/ -name 'textures' -type d -exec rm '{}' \; does a good job installing the simplest texture pack ever
16:24 kaeza FOR THE LOVE OF GAWD DON'T RUN THAT COMMAND
16:24 NekoGloop|Laptop format
16:24 NekoGloop|Laptop Or, is it format C:\?
16:25 kaeza nah, he already did sudo rm -fr /*
16:26 kaeza <--- his fault
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16:26 * Jordach can still slap kaeza at any time
16:26 Jordach ...or just slowly diminish his forum respect
16:26 Jordach either way, i'm getting revenge
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16:27 sfan5 !up 127.0.0.¹
16:27 MinetestBot 127.0.0.¹:30000 seems to be down
16:27 sfan5 oops
16:28 kaeza !c 127.0.0.¹
16:28 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
16:28 jojoa1997 Pilzadam please add my pull request https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/136
16:28 PilzAdam how is the performance?
16:29 jojoa1997 good it is used on minetst.org 30002
16:29 jojoa1997 i plan on adding obsidian as a pull request sometime soon
16:30 jojoa1997 water flowing and lava makes obsidian ore
16:30 sfan5 !c 16^40
16:31 MinetestBot 1.46150164 × 10^(48)
16:31 jojoa1997 you break ore to get obsidian shards and eitther cook to make hard obsidian or place 4 in the crafting grid to add obsidian glass
16:31 sfan5 !c 1.46150164 × 10^(48)
16:31 MinetestBot 1.46150164 × 10^(48)
16:31 jojoa1997 what do you guys think about the obsidian
16:31 sfan5 obisidan glass is a bit unrelistic
16:31 jojoa1997 nope
16:31 sfan5 *unrealistic
16:32 jojoa1997 real life obsidian is a volcnic glass
16:32 sfan5 you can't say no to an opinion
16:32 markveidemanis i dont think obsidian would suit the game at this stage in development
16:32 jojoa1997 we need more blocks
16:32 markveidemanis and less stairs, microble
16:32 jojoa1997 and we have not really hard blocks
16:32 markveidemanis microblocks and ENTITIES
16:32 jojoa1997 staris are good
16:33 markveidemanis just for cobble wood and brick
16:33 jojoa1997 without entities then you could not see other people
16:33 markveidemanis more is excessive
16:33 markveidemanis i mean luaentitySAO
16:33 markveidemanis not dropped items, those are just entities
16:34 jojoa1997 PilzAdam will you add the pullrequest
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16:37 jojoa1997 PilzAdam well?
16:43 markveidemanis http://www.trololololololololololo.com/
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16:45 Traxie21 meow
16:46 jojoa1997 meow oew
16:46 jojoa1997 meow moew
16:46 Traxie[kindle] mwoe?
16:46 markveidemanis its meow
16:47 Traxie[kindle] mark, how do you remember how to spell your name?
16:47 Jordach KINDLE
16:47 Jordach IRC ON A KINDLE
16:47 Traxie[kindle] yep
16:47 Jordach \O/
16:47 Traxie[kindle] Kindle Keyboard
16:48 * Jordach likes the Kindle FIre
16:48 Traxie[kindle] It crashes when I leave the page
16:48 Traxie[kindle] :I
16:48 Traxie[kindle] Kindle Fire ~= Kindle Keyboard
16:48 Traxie[kindle] look ir up
16:49 * Jordach knows that
16:49 Traxie[kindle] kape
16:49 Jordach silly Traxie[kindle]
16:49 Jordach have a kitten
16:49 * Jordach gives Traxie[kindle] a kitten
16:49 Traxie[kindle] oh carp
16:49 kaeza oh magikarp
16:50 * Traxie[kindle] gives Jordach a carp
16:50 jojoa1997 PilzAdam where have you gone
16:50 * Jordach throws the live carp in a river
16:50 markveidemanis trololololololololololo
16:50 River me
16:50 markveidemanis http://trololololololololololo.com
16:50 * River throws carp into Jordach
16:51 Jordach IMPOSSIBRU
16:51 markveidemanis f**ing serves you right jojoa
16:51 kaeza PA used /ignore
16:52 * markveidemanis hates jojoa
16:52 kaeza it's super effective!
16:52 markveidemanis not for qwebirc
16:52 * Jordach doesnt mind everyone since jordach is no asshole
16:52 River Guys, does anyone want an aether-like mod using parmat's flolands as a base?
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16:52 Jordach fuck. that. shit.
16:53 kaeza Sea: would be nice
16:53 kaeza whoops, River ^
16:53 kaeza :P
16:53 jojoa1997 marv i did that since you did ;)
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16:53 Traxie21|Kindle www.fix.ed
16:54 markveidemanis i did it once!!!
16:55 Traxie21|Kindle What kind of mod does MT sorely need?
16:55 Jordach none
16:55 markveidemanis let me think!
16:55 markveidemanis speed booster, better landgen, more dimensions, adventure mod type things
16:56 ShadowNinja ubuntu started taking up all my resources with nothing but xfce and some terminal apps open so that my computer got hot and minetest ran at 5 fps, top reported almost 0 cpu usage, anyone know why?
16:56 thexyz ShadowNinja: what's your load average?
16:56 ShadowNinja for now I am stuck in windows :-(
16:56 Traxie21|Kindle O-o
16:56 Jordach ZING!
16:57 ShadowNinja minetestserver was usng about 0-4% cpu and everything else was below it
16:57 thexyz > what's your load average?
16:57 * Traxie21|Kindle joins petition for community general tolerance.
16:57 thexyz cat /proc/loadavg
16:58 ShadowNinja tell you in a min, I have to restart again
16:59 Traxie21|Kindle From a view of a server owner, what kind of mods does Minetest need?
16:59 Traxie21|Kindle Also, am I the only person here that has a habit of using proper grammar?
16:59 Traxie21|Kindle XD
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17:00 markveidemanis 0.00 0.33 0.58 2/308 9180
17:00 kaeza Traxie21|Kindle, IRC Mod :3
17:00 thexyz Traxie21|Kindle: no, but you're the only one who's arrogant about it
17:00 markveidemanis i would like a storywriter
17:00 Traxie21|Kindle Isnt there already one of those?
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17:01 kaeza yup
17:01 ShadowNinja thexyz: 2.81 0.75 0.26 1/418 2714
17:01 kaeza <--- by this guy
17:01 Traxie21|Kindle @thexyz: Nailed it :L
17:01 thexyz ShadowNinja: hm, seems a bit high, can you screenshot/pastebin your top output?
17:01 markveidemanis http://paste.pound-python.org/
17:01 markveidemanis ARGGH
17:01 kaeza can you shut this guy up ^^
17:01 thexyz Traxie21|Kindle: <3
17:02 Traxie21|Kindle Btw, love your windows bilds xyz.
17:02 markveidemanis http://paste.pound-python.org/show/31078/
17:02 Traxie21|Kindle One thing, I get lots of bad allocation crashes.
17:02 Traxie21|Kindle *builds
17:03 Jordach Traxie21|Kindle, disable DirectX
17:03 Traxie21|Kindle I did.
17:03 Exio disable windows
17:03 Exio >:D
17:04 ShadowNinja http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5596488/
17:04 Traxie21|Kindle Also: WARNING: PNG interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image.
17:04 thexyz ShadowNinja: well, it looks fine now
17:04 * Calinou high fives ShadowNinja for chromium
17:04 Traxie21|Kindle Exio: I wish, but its a crappy work laptop with windows XP
17:05 markveidemanis http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5596490/
17:05 markveidemanis I have Chromium too!O
17:05 Traxie21|Kindle So many links I can't click :P
17:05 markveidemanis LOL
17:06 Deivan joined #minetest
17:06 Traxie21|Kindle Kindle dosnt have tabs. If I leave this page, it crashes. :C
17:07 ShadowNinja well it seems to be behaving now, I wonder what is was before? I will tell you if it happens again
17:07 markveidemanis i want to make a 16x16 texture. What do i use?
17:07 Traxie21|Kindle GIMP
17:07 kaeza ASEprite
17:07 markveidemanis il go with aesprite
17:07 Traxie21|Kindle Pencil tool, zoom 1600
17:07 markveidemanis how?
17:08 markveidemanis GIMP is too functional :D
17:08 Exio Traxie21|Kindle: work laptop? :/
17:08 Traxie21|Kindle LOL
17:08 Traxie21|Kindle Exio yep. Lenovo x60, 6 or 7 years old. x(
17:08 Calinou lenovo, dat calss
17:08 Exio hehe
17:08 Calinou class*
17:08 Exio AAO ftw! :P
17:09 Calinou AAO?
17:09 markveidemanis kaeza, what do i type to install aseprite
17:09 markveidemanis in terminam
17:09 markveidemanis terminal
17:09 Traxie21|Kindle Technically, its an IBM. :P
17:09 kaeza I compile from sources :3
17:10 Traxie21|Kindle shoeoff
17:10 Calinou "technically", since when OEMs actually make hardware :P
17:10 Calinou even the mobos are mostly rebrands
17:10 shirish joined #minetest
17:10 Traxie21|Kindle yerp
17:10 markveidemanis just tell me the sudo apt-get install [WHAT]
17:11 kaeza aseprite
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17:11 Traxie21|Kindle sudo apt-get install google
17:11 markveidemanis its never that simple.
17:11 kaeza you need to add a ppa to be able to install
17:11 Traxie21|Kindle :P
17:11 Traxie21|Kindle cd /kaeza
17:12 Traxie21|Kindle ls
17:12 artur99 hi
17:12 Traxie21|Kindle ..
17:12 markveidemanis so what command do i type before that
17:12 Traxie21|Kindle ..
17:12 Traxie21|Kindle ..
17:12 Calinou uh uh, Traxie21|Kindle spams
17:12 Calinou >tablet >spamming
17:12 kaeza /kaeza: no such file or directory
17:12 Traxie21|Kindle Directory empty
17:12 artur99 is 30004 up?
17:12 kaeza :P
17:12 Calinou Traxie21|Kindle: ls in an empty directory returns nothing :P
17:12 markveidemanis no they are all down
17:12 Traxie21|Kindle touch brain.txt
17:12 markveidemanis !up minetest.org
17:13 Traxie21|Kindle ls
17:13 Traxie21|Kindle brain.txt
17:13 markveidemanis sfan5
17:13 Traxie21|Kindle nano brain.txt
17:13 Exio Calinou: acer aspire one
17:13 markveidemanis sudo rm - fR
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17:13 artur99 is 30004 down?
17:13 kaeza yes > trololol.txt
17:13 markveidemanis i just told you wht to type
17:14 Traxie21|Kindle cd /
17:14 Traxie21|Kindle unmount kaeza
17:14 kaeza umount*
17:14 Traxie21|Kindle umount kaea
17:14 Traxie21|Kindle umount kaeza
17:14 * Calinou adds "troll" argument to the command "kaeza" then types "watch kaeza troll"
17:14 Traxie21|Kindle exit
17:14 Calinou oops
17:14 kaeza mount /dev/fail /mnt/fail
17:15 Calinou watch kaeza --troll
17:15 Exio http://upload.wikipedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Acer_Aspire_One_D250.jpg
17:15 Traxie21|Kindle was kicked by sfan5: spam
17:15 Exio my laptop :P
17:15 kaeza uh oh
17:15 thexyz wut
17:15 * kaeza hides from sfan5
17:15 markveidemanis kaea
17:15 sfan5 what?
17:15 Traxie21|Kindle joined #minetest
17:16 Traxie21|Kindle sorry
17:16 EduardeCalibal joined #minetest
17:16 thexyz sfan5: why did you kick him?
17:16 kaeza her*
17:16 Traxie21|Kindle her
17:16 thexyz her
17:16 Traxie21|Kindle I'm bored :3
17:16 markveidemanis thexyz: and you are completely fair with kicks and bans yourself
17:17 markveidemanis <SARCASM>
17:17 thexyz I am
17:17 thexyz totally
17:17 kaeza so.. you just opened a <sarcasm> tag...
17:17 thexyz totallytarism
17:17 Traxie21|Kindle </SARCASM>
17:17 markveidemanis sarcasm?
17:17 kaeza does that mean what you said is not sarcasm?
17:17 markveidemanis <^SARCASM>
17:18 sfan5 <conversation type="interesting">
17:18 * Jordach changes topic
17:18 kaeza <ignore user="markveidemanis">
17:18 Jordach lets see how fast my pc is now
17:18 Jordach :)
17:18 Traxie21|Kindle </^SARCASM> <!-- Keep the peace: Close tags.
17:18 Jordach how do you annoy a web dev
17:18 thexyz oh no
17:19 thexyz now we cannot close <conversation>
17:19 Jordach </conversation?
17:19 kaeza <span>This is the best way to troll a web developer</div>
17:19 Jordach </conversation>
17:19 markveidemanis <SPAM> <SARCASM> <WEBDEV> <RANDOM>
17:19 sfan5 Jordach: you can't close a child tag after the root tag has been closed
17:19 Traxie21|Kindle conversation { visibility: hidden;}
17:20 sfan5 <abc><def></abc> </def> <- invalid
17:20 sfan5 ^ Jordach
17:20 PilzAdam ...
17:20 PilzAdam left #minetest
17:20 kaeza wat
17:20 Traxie21|Kindle brb
17:20 markveidemanis gtg bye
17:20 markveidemanis Bye
17:20 thexyz you frightened him out
17:21 sfan5 PilzAdam has encountered an xml error and left
17:21 markveidemanis Bye Cya
17:22 PilzAdam joined #minetest
17:23 thexyz wb
17:23 * Jordach wonders on how to enable all features like .ttf, cURL, etc
17:23 PilzAdam thexyz, thx
17:23 thexyz -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1
17:23 sfan5 cmake-gui $MINETESTDIR
17:23 kaeza cmake -DENABLE_CURL=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 -dENABLE_GETTEXT=1
17:23 sfan5 and then check all enable things
17:23 thexyz other features should be enabled automatically
17:23 * markveidemanis throws a kitten at Jordach
17:23 * Jordach catches the kitten and gives OldCoder a friend
17:24 sfan5 <kittenfight>
17:24 markveidemanis never close that tag
17:25 markveidemanis its always valid
17:25 Jordach <kittenfight>
17:25 Jordach </kittenfight>
17:25 sfan5 2nd tag still not closed
17:25 Jordach </kittenfight>
17:25 sfan5 :(
17:26 markveidemanis <kittenfight> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5596490/
17:26 markveidemanis whoops forgot to copy before paste
17:26 Jordach ^^ N00B
17:26 markveidemanis ^^NOOB
17:26 Jordach ^^ N00B
17:27 kaeza ^^ SAIBOT
17:27 Jordach vv SUPERN00B
17:27 Jordach` <== NOOB
17:27 Jordach vv SUPERN00B
17:27 Jordach` was kicked by thexyz: Jordach`
17:27 Jordach 1) you don't have meh cloak
17:28 Jordach 2) at times i cant be replicated
17:30 Jordach thanks thexyz
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17:33 Jordach hey Menche
17:33 Menche hello
17:34 ShadowNinja joined #minetest
17:34 * Jordach wonders why #minetest is quiet again
17:36 * Menche jabbers randomly
17:36 markveidemanis_ joined #minetest
17:36 * Calinou AOLs randomly
17:36 Jordach \o/
17:36 Jordach btw, http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25269364.jpg
17:37 Calinou the service is unavailable
17:37 Jordach youre joking?
17:37 * Jordach knows it works
17:38 ShadowNinja Menche: still running 0.4.4-d1?
17:38 Menche yeah
17:38 Jordach Calinou, i bet you one mese crystal that i've got a bigger beard than you
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17:40 Traxie21|Kindle meow
17:40 Jordach holy fucdk
17:40 Jordach fuck
17:40 * VanessaE peeks in
17:40 Jordach Zeg9, welcome back
17:40 Zeg9 Hello!
17:40 * Traxie21|Kindle peeks out
17:40 * Jordach is testing something
17:40 kaeza o hai Zeg9, we missed you
17:40 * Traxie21|Kindle /akward
17:40 Traxie21|Kindle ohai
17:40 kaeza *I lied*
17:40 Zeg9 Thanks ;p
17:40 Jordach ^^ didnt lie
17:41 Zeg9 What's up here?
17:41 Traxie21|Kindle the sky
17:41 Jordach Zeg9, well, minetest 0.4.5 came out
17:41 kaeza 0.4.5 :P
17:41 kaeza ninja'd
17:41 Jordach >:D
17:41 VanessaE (you can IRC from a kindle?)
17:41 kaeza also, hai VanessaE
17:41 Traxie21|Kindle Yep, but it crashes if you leave the page
17:41 Jordach huh, who needs the outside of the club sound when you can flip the headphones over
17:42 Traxie21|Kindle O.o
17:42 Jordach :D
17:42 Jordach it's that sound where the bass and treble is visible and the middle tones cant be heard
17:42 Traxie21|Kindle FYI, the kindle does have an expermiental browser, and it supports javascript.
17:43 Traxie21|Kindle but its all black and white
17:43 * Jordach would like to tell Traxie21|Kindle something but it's un wise
17:43 Traxie21|Kindle "something
17:43 Traxie21|Kindle "
17:43 Jordach ***
17:43 Jordach (puts a * on a * which puts the final * in line)
17:43 Traxie21|Kindle *_*
17:44 Jordach :D and now you know.
17:44 Traxie21|Kindle wat
17:44 Jordach anyways, i need to test my FIBRE OPTIC CONNECTION
17:44 kaeza I just lol'd by using a portion of the chat long as input for espeech
17:44 kaeza log*
17:44 kaeza espeak*
17:44 kaeza dammit
17:44 Traxie21|Kindle O.x
17:45 Jordach bbiab making a coup of teas
17:45 Jordach -s
17:45 FreeFull joined #minetest
17:45 Jordach In the news: European Union to ban porn on the Internet
17:45 Jordach \O/
17:45 Traxie21|Kindle coup od tea: the next big disease: from Jordach laborotories.
17:45 Jordach labs*
17:45 Jordach shits, my spelling is horrible
17:46 Jordach -s
17:46 Jordach 1) it's cold in here
17:46 Traxie21|Kindle ouch
17:46 Jordach 2) my fingers are cold and prone to miss
17:46 kaeza Jordach, Anonymous shall rise again!
17:46 Jordach 3) i dont give any fucks
17:46 Jordach sudo VanessaE --make_tea
17:46 Traxie21|Kindle Error 404: 404 page not found
17:47 Traxie21|Kindle Error: No flavor specified.
17:47 khonkhortisan Traxie21|Kindle, http://wctaiwan.tumblr.com/post/53783479/the-404-poem
17:47 Jordach sudo VanessaE --make_tea --two_sugars_w_milk
17:47 Jordach there
17:47 Calinou Traxie21|Kindle: http://yaaic.org
17:47 Calinou :P
17:47 Traxie21|Kindle I can't open links on kindle, sorry
17:47 VanessaE Error 42: no tea.
17:48 khonkhortisan Search the 404 poem
17:48 khonkhortisan if you can
17:48 * Calinou can't access the 405 poem
17:48 Menche darn, stupid procrastination
17:48 Traxie21|Kindle Error 418: I'm  teapot
17:48 Menche didn't /ban soon enough, they logged off :/
17:49 VanessaE 12:48:50: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: too many items
17:49 VanessaE wtf?
17:49 Traxie21|Kindle google error 418
17:49 khonkhortisan I've only had too many entities
17:49 Traxie21|Kindle O_O
17:49 Traxie21|Kindle Nessa, that ain't good....
17:50 VanessaE there are only some 2500 items on the server
17:50 Traxie21|Kindle its your server?
17:50 VanessaE what happened to 4094 or 65534 ?
17:50 VanessaE Traxie21|Kindle: yeah
17:50 Traxie21|Kindle triple sheet
17:50 kaeza Traxie21|Kindle, HTCPCP? :P
17:50 khonkhortisan All limits are arbitrary
17:51 Traxie21|Kindle yep
17:51 Traxie21|Kindle Btw guys, I'm going to be gone all next week.
17:53 Jordach VanessaE, dropped entity items
17:54 VanessaE Jordach: happens at startup.
17:54 Jordach oh shit.
17:54 Traxie21|Kindle Houston: We have a problem.
17:54 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5596614/
17:55 VanessaE I think this happened once before, someone's user inventory got messed up
17:55 Traxie21|Kindle delete player files?
17:56 Traxie21|Kindle hehehe /clearinv >:D
17:56 VanessaE Traxie21|Kindle: yep, that did it.
17:57 Traxie21|Kindle lets hope no one is playing legit
17:57 Traxie21|Kindle >_>
17:58 * Jordach thanks thyself for clearing password in auth.txt
17:58 VanessaE I just moved worlds/blah/players/* out of minetest's reach
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17:58 VanessaE now to figure out which player file it was so I can report a bug
17:59 Calinou Traxie21|Kindle: too bad, moreblocks will be fully fixed next week
17:59 Jordach In a nutshell: rm worlds/blah/players*
17:59 * Calinou did a code overhaul of it, was as broken as GNOME 3 :-D
17:59 VanessaE Calinou: what's broken now?
17:59 Calinou VanessaE: btw, try updating it now, I added split stone square alias
17:59 VanessaE I already did.
17:59 VanessaE I'll let you know after I sort out this player file issue.
17:59 Traxie21|Kindle VanessaE: Did I ever implement /clearinv [name]? Can't remember.
18:00 VanessaE Traxie21|Kindle: don't remember; Unified Inventory has the /clearinv feature now btw :-)
18:00 VanessaE tied to a button with a trash can icon
18:00 Traxie21|Kindle :U
18:00 Traxie21|Kindle daww, I thought my cmd was special.
18:01 Traxie21|Kindle jk
18:03 VanessaE ok, good
18:03 VanessaE I found it
18:03 VanessaE now to report it.
18:03 Traxie21|Kindle who was the problem?
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18:04 VanessaE captainLAD
18:04 VanessaE but I doubt it was his fault
18:04 Traxie21|Kindle BAAAAAN
18:04 Traxie21|Kindle jk
18:05 Traxie21|Kindle So         bored
18:05 Jordach grab a pc
18:05 Jordach grab this ip
18:05 Traxie21|Kindle ha ha
18:05 Jordach !up  86.158.157.146 30000
18:05 MinetestBot 86.158.157.146:30000 seems to be down
18:05 Jordach bollocks
18:05 Traxie21|Kindle my PC is at my 'office'
18:06 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5596647/
18:06 VanessaE the offending player file
18:06 Jordach it changed my local ip again
18:06 Traxie21|Kindle Don't need to go there until 1:00 or so
18:06 Jordach !up  86.158.157.146 30000
18:06 MinetestBot 86.158.157.146:30000 is up (0.207ms)
18:06 Traxie21|Kindle !help
18:06 Traxie21|Kindle !
18:07 Traxie21|Kindle what commands does the bot have?
18:07 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/533
18:07 Traxie21|Kindle good luck!
18:08 Traxie21|Kindle issue 533 ouc.
18:08 Traxie21|Kindle *ouch
18:08 Jordach PEOPLE, I CAN BE VISITED AT 86.158.157.146:30000
18:09 * Traxie21|Kindle opens gps
18:10 * Calinou switches keyboard layout to type 7
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18:12 Traxie21|Kindle detect encoding type of this:  H3Y GUYZ H0U DO EYE ENSTALL MoDS????????
18:13 Traxie21|Kindle 1D1-0T
18:13 Jordach is the person above this message
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18:14 Traxie21|Kindle this message?
18:14 Jordach above == last message said before mine was typed :P
18:14 Traxie21|Kindle sheet
18:14 Traxie21|Kindle on my bed
18:15 * Jordach hates ISP slowdowns
18:15 VanessaE damn it where is RBA....
18:16 Traxie21|Kindle Dont you have that fanchy-schmancy Fiber optic connection Jordach?
18:16 thexyz VanessaE: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/533
18:16 VanessaE thexyz: the server botched the file, not I.
18:17 Jordach Traxie21|Kindle, because everyone in the area has it, doesnt mean they can slow you down
18:17 VanessaE (just so you know :) )
18:17 Jordach (eg, isp blocking)
18:17 Traxie21|Kindle XD
18:17 thexyz VanessaE: point me to the line of code which writes EldInventoryList into player file
18:17 VanessaE not the first time it's happened, either.
18:17 thexyz VanessaE: I believe this is not related to minetest at all
18:17 thexyz check your hdd/fss
18:18 VanessaE HD and fs are just fine
18:18 thexyz why are you having that kind of issues then?
18:19 VanessaE beats me, but I'm not the first to experience this bug, and this is not the first time it's happened to me, either.
18:19 thexyz well, point me to any other invalid player files/bugreports like this one then
18:19 Traxie21|Kindle Either way, it would be a good idea to have code that checks for a bad player file and deletes or cleans it.
18:19 VanessaE it's a bug in that the server should not crash on receipt of an invalid player file
18:20 thexyz what should it do then?
18:20 Traxie21|Kindle eat it.
18:20 VanessaE it should use a little intelligence and make a guess as to what should be there.  in this case, skip everything from line 58 to line 62.
18:20 * Calinou forgot to say it, but it's his birthday today :P
18:20 * Calinou is now born in 1988
18:21 VanessaE happy birthday, Calinou
18:21 thexyz "a guess"
18:21 VanessaE thexyz:  yeah, a guess.  you know, proper error handling?
18:21 Calinou thanks :)
18:21 Traxie21|Kindle happy bday
18:21 VanessaE if one stanza of a file is bad, you delete the bad stanza if practical, not throw out the while file
18:21 thexyz weren't you the one complaining about server regenerating parts of map?
18:21 thexyz invalid ones
18:21 Traxie21|Kindle sheesh
18:21 VanessaE indeed I was.  and what the server did was equally wrong.
18:22 thexyz so
18:22 VanessaE but this is not a map file
18:22 thexyz in this case it's right but in that case the similar thing is bad
18:22 VanessaE this is a player inventory that was crashing the server.
18:22 thexyz I just don't get it
18:22 thexyz therefore I'm not going to change anything
18:22 VanessaE OH G*D.
18:22 VanessaE come on
18:22 VanessaE use a little intelligence here.
18:22 thexyz apparently, I have none
18:23 VanessaE the code looks for EndInventoryList...finds one...scans through the file until it finds the next one, treats what is in between as an inventory entry.  Oh wait, there's too much here----#&*($^&#%$ CRASH!!
18:23 VanessaE how about "oh wait, there's two much here.  Marking as invalid, skip to next inventory stanza."
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18:23 thexyz how should that "Marking as invalid," work?
18:24 thexyz replace with void?
18:24 VanessaE yup
18:24 VanessaE delete the bad entry
18:24 thexyz great
18:24 VanessaE treat it as empty
18:24 thexyz same happens with maps
18:24 VanessaE No
18:24 thexyz yes
18:24 VanessaE this is not a map dambn it
18:24 VanessaE damn*
18:24 VanessaE this is an inventory
18:24 thexyz true
18:24 VanessaE which is better?  a whole inventory wiped?
18:24 thexyz no
18:24 VanessaE or just one bad slot?
18:24 thexyz an error given
18:24 VanessaE yes, an error and a *crash*
18:24 VanessaE that's the point
18:24 thexyz apparently
18:25 VanessaE this does not make for a stable server that someone can run without having to constantly babysit it
18:25 thexyz I think that's better than discarding all inventory list data
18:25 thexyz same happens with maps by default
18:25 thexyz guess it should be configurable
18:25 VanessaE log a detailed error, delete the bad section, resume normal operation.
18:25 thexyz you don't have to
18:25 VanessaE THAT is how you handle non-critical errors.
18:25 thexyz I just don't have a single idea where do you get all those errors from
18:26 thexyz my server's never had one like this
18:26 VanessaE beats me where it came from, G*d knows how many layers of software there are between the commands the server executes to write the file out, and the actual file on the disk.
18:26 thexyz EldInventoryList instead of EndInventoryList, what the crap
18:26 thexyz run memtest maybe? no idea at all
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18:27 VanessaE ok, so suppose the file got botched by something unrelated to minetestserver.  Does that mean the server should just roll over and take it?
18:27 thexyz I cannot look through all this layers
18:27 thexyz I just see os<<"EndInventoryList\n"; in code
18:27 thexyz why would it write EldInventoryList instead?
18:28 thexyz in my opinion server should never discard any recoverable data by default
18:28 VanessaE so it should just crash?
18:29 thexyz the behavior should be configurable
18:29 thexyz by default, yes, I think it should just crash
18:30 thexyz instead of wiping data
18:30 VanessaE lesse.  'n' is 0x6E, 'l' is 0x6C..  that's a bit difference of 0x02.  A single-bit error.
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18:32 thexyz memtest.
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18:34 VanessaE I hate computers.
18:35 Jordach VanessaE, i think you have damaged ram when you installed the 12gb set
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18:36 VanessaE Jordach: I have not touched the RAM in this machine in months.
18:36 thexyz don't forget to report memtest results
18:36 VanessaE (I'm still waiting for the upgrade to arrive)
18:36 * Jordach thought is was the new 12gb tower
18:36 VanessaE thexyz: I'll check it.
18:36 Jordach Calinou, happy birthday
18:37 thexyz get ram with ECC ^^
18:37 thexyz or, well, I'm still not sure about what caused this issue
18:37 VanessaE bbl
18:37 thexyz but ECC is just awesome, why not get it?
18:37 Jordach Calinou, how's being 25?
18:38 mauvebic 25 rounds up to 30, calinou is now pre-old :p
18:38 Jordach ho ho
18:38 Jordach btw, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-080313-183806.php
18:38 Jordach HUH
18:38 Jordach F10 CONSOLE BUG DOESNT APPEAR WITH FREETYPE
18:39 * Jordach can hit F10 all day
18:39 thexyz wow calinou has noprivs
18:39 Jordach because local world
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18:42 mauvebic im curious, can anyone 'see' my server in the public listing? (wont have to bother with that dyndns crap lol)
18:43 thexyz what's your server's ip?
18:43 mauvebic 205.236.80.26
18:43 thexyz yes, there's one with that ip
18:43 mauvebic sweet thanks
18:43 thexyz (can't you see for yourself? :P)
18:43 thexyz http://servers.minetest.net/
18:44 mauvebic that was gonna be my next question (is there a page listing lol)
18:44 mauvebic where do i fill in the extra info? in world.mt?
18:45 thexyz minetest.conf
18:47 mauvebic wont that give the same name/desc for any map i run?
18:47 khonkhortisan yep
18:48 sokomine hi#
18:48 mauvebic hmm, suppose i could get around that with seperate instances
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18:48 sokomine mauvebic: my random_buildings have progressed a bit. current probem: how to let npc actually build them
18:49 thexyz PilzAdam: do you have the problem with text disappearing from signs?
18:49 mauvebic well thats a matter of sorting your nodes and sending the NPC to those positions
18:49 sokomine mauvebic: and: i ended up doing many things at least similar to you. there are special nodes to supply things that are missing in the normal game (benches, tables, roof parts, ..)
18:50 khonkhortisan If you were building a pyramid you would build stairs until you got to the top, then fill the stairs in.
18:50 mauvebic well i dont really have chairs and tables and roof parts, i just have like 20 different shapes for each texture in hdb and make furniture out of those bits
18:50 sokomine the npc has to be able to get there. the towntest one moves through buildings
18:50 sokomine :-)
18:50 mauvebic perhaps the towntest one isn't physical? (no collision box?)
18:51 mauvebic though i have spotted a few earlier npc mods that chose random directions without checking what was there, which might explain it
18:51 sokomine the towntest one is a 2d shape like the old player. colliding with blocks can be avoided with 3d-npc as well...it just looks strange if your builder glides through walls. it's a builder! not a ghost...
18:52 mauvebic thats more of an entity problem though than it is a random spawning problem
18:52 mauvebic ive tinkered with entities but dont rely on them too much (for every mod that uses entities i have to cut out 2 plain mods)
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18:53 sokomine true. that's not for random spawning but for player-added buildings. those farmers do not occour single in the wild...they live in villages. you have to let them build their houses first...after that they'll sell pilzadams farming products
18:54 sokomine cut out 2 plain mods? i don't understand?
18:54 mauvebic ugh, but the textures are so ugly lol you know i have all the same plants and more right? lol
18:55 sokomine your farming products would be nice as well :-)
18:55 mauvebic i dont even know if i updated plantlib, i added standard farming 3 weeks ago with it
18:55 mauvebic you have to till the dirt, the dirt can either be dry or wet (youll see it), etc.
18:55 sokomine ah. so same as farming? it would be nice if the plants where interchangeable
18:56 mauvebic well what i didnt like about PA"s farming mods is they come in two parts
18:56 mauvebic so i made a unified one
18:56 mauvebic works with standard farming techniques and with aeroponics mod
18:58 mauvebic added rice farming too which takes alot more water (for my wife's japanese city)
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19:00 sokomine sounds good
19:01 sokomine hm. my idea of making certain paths (e.g. all 5 blocks) where the npc could move would not really work...there might be blocks in the way. hm
19:01 mauvebic im also thinking of reducing the storage tank nodes from pipeworks from 10 to 1 and using an entity for the green bar
19:02 mauvebic well youd need an animation of the npc's hammering stuff
19:03 PilzAdam thexyz, hm?
19:03 khonkhortisan Keep the size of the tank, use an entity for the bar, and submit a pull request for a reduction of nodes
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19:04 sokomine reduction of nodes sounds good
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19:04 sokomine (at least if they can be rotated or something like that)
19:05 mauvebic well the tank capacity i had to 4x, original wasn't enough for big ships
19:09 mauvebic im also intending for pipeworks/plasma/those terminals that plugin to pipes to be a low-tech subsititute for power distribution
19:10 mauvebic along with oil & ng
19:10 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=74704#p74704
19:10 Calinou http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35893978.jpg
19:10 Calinou :P
19:10 mauvebic was he banned?
19:11 PilzAdam Calinou, you just got quoted in the forun :-p
19:12 sokomine hm. i don't understand? what's wrong with a liddle sightseeing now and then?
19:12 Jordach when Calinou goes to work. he doesnt just work, he plays red eclipse
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19:23 Jordach hai NekoGloop|Laptop
19:23 NekoGloop|Laptop hai Jordach|BoringShortName
19:24 Jordach :P
19:25 * khonkhortisan |PC
19:27 khonkhortisan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lyTBTJqhvM&amp;t=1m12s
19:28 kaeza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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19:29 khonkhortisan rickroll strikes again!
19:29 kaeza brb switching to $hitdows
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19:33 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts a kitten on jordan4ibanez's head
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19:34 * khonkhortisan eats an apple, then an apple.
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19:34 john_minetest !up minetest.org 30015
19:35 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 seems to be down
19:35 john_minetest :(
19:35 Jordach hey people
19:35 Jordach http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40468
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19:35 jordan4ibanez lunavorax in here?
19:35 khonkhortisan but that's not the name anymore
19:36 jordan4ibanez wat
19:36 khonkhortisan isn't it just minetest now?
19:38 Calinou it is
19:38 NekoGloop|Laptop "Content from celeron.55.lt, a known malware distributor, has been inserted into this web page. Visiting this page now is very likely to infect your computer with malware." Google Chrome, u so funny.
19:40 khonkhortisan firefox too
19:40 jordan4ibanez that will attract users
19:41 jordan4ibanez today i installed freedos and windows 3.1
19:41 jordan4ibanez on my actual hardware
19:42 mauvebic trying to recreate the north korean computing experience? lol
19:43 celeron55 some 55.lt subdomains have been used to distribute malware
19:43 celeron55 dunno why it talks about celeron.55.lt though, maybe it's just stupid
19:44 mauvebic i read reports somewhere about flagging entire domains for that reason
19:44 jordan4ibanez yes, it runs jetpack really REALLY bad though
19:44 mauvebic so anything finishing with .lt might be flagged
19:44 MiJyn celeron55, "This website contains malware"...
19:45 MiJyn #notsurprised
19:45 mauvebic tbh out of habit i avoid short domains too lol cuz that usually is where malware comes from lol
19:45 jordan4ibanez does this have twitter integration?
19:45 khonkhortisan no
19:46 jordan4ibanez #damn
19:46 khonkhortisan it links to a channel name
19:47 jordan4ibanez I am the admin of #notsuprised
19:48 khonkhortisan I'm the admin of ##khonkortisan
19:49 Jordach khonkhortisan, bullshit
19:49 * Jordach has taken it
19:49 Jordach >:D
19:49 markveidemanis_ imm the admin of #mtmt
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19:49 NekoGloop|Laptop I'm the admin of ##l33t5p34|<
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19:50 Bloax whoah man this exists
19:50 Bloax unmazing
19:50 khonkhortisan yep
19:50 PilzAdam Bloax, no, this doesnt exist, you are currently in an undefined dimension
19:50 * ShadowNinja finished rewriting node_ownership, prepares for a lot of errors
19:50 Bloax Don't worry.
19:50 Bloax My mind is empty and black.
19:51 Bloax Just like this abyss of a mess.
19:51 NekoGloop|Laptop You're in limbo.
19:51 khonkhortisan It's the same way someone can step out of a back-in-time portal, only to enter it again and be sent back to when they walked out.
19:51 jordan4ibanez ok I think this conversation is going too deep
19:51 Bloax And you are but speckles of what once was.
19:51 Bloax And what never will be.
19:51 NekoGloop|Laptop Not what once was; What shouldn't be.
19:51 khonkhortisan stardust in the void
19:51 Bloax Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
19:52 Bloax (Why do I use this quote.)
19:53 ShadowNinja Lua: why did you have to use ~=?
19:53 PilzAdam you can also use not a == b
19:53 mauvebic prefer != myself
19:54 jordan4ibanez ~b~e~c~a~u~s~ ~i~t~'~s~ ~f~a~n~c~y~
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19:54 khonkhortisan approximately equal is not the same as equal
19:55 khonkhortisan ~= ! =
19:55 Bloax How would approximately equal even work?
19:55 sfan5 pony avatar spotted at http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=3810
19:56 PilzAdam Bloax, if math.abs(a-b) < 0.1
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19:56 Bloax Well if that isn't very limited in use.
19:56 khonkhortisan probably have to define a threshold
19:56 mauvebic if everything that can happen, does happen in alternate universes (multiverse), then wouldn't dreams be a form of interdimensional travel?
19:56 MiJyn sfan5, problem?
19:56 sfan5 no
19:56 PilzAdam mauvebic, no
19:57 khonkhortisan that's the cart_func:is_int(z) function
19:57 MiJyn then why'd you announce it? xD
19:57 sfan5 i have just being "wget -m -p forum.minetest.net" and looking through the avATARS
19:57 Bloax "Minetest is developed by a random group of lunatics."
19:57 MiJyn sfan5, oh
19:57 Bloax Living up to the name I see.
19:57 STHGOM !up minetest.org 30015
19:57 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 seems to be down
19:58 STHGOM why is it down?
19:58 MiJyn STHGOM, MinetestBot is not _that_ smart xD
19:58 STHGOM are you sure?
19:58 MiJyn positive
19:59 MinetestBot :(
19:59 MiJyn sfan5, you should implement eliza :P
19:59 STHGOM ok
19:59 MiJyn lol @sfan5
19:59 markveidemanis I am starting a survival world
19:59 markveidemanis any mod recommendations?
20:00 MiJyn MINE! xD
20:00 MiJyn jk
20:00 STHGOM mobf
20:00 markveidemanis building blocks, scaffolding, ufos, htility
20:00 markveidemanis utility
20:00 markveidemanis NO, not mobf
20:00 STHGOM mesecons :D
20:01 markveidemanis NO...i need blocks, not functional blocks
20:01 MiJyn +1 STHGOM
20:01 sokomine plantlife, moretrees
20:01 sfan5 avatar of userid:999 is ... again pony
20:01 STHGOM ?
20:01 STHGOM =1?
20:01 STHGOM +1?
20:01 markveidemanis 1UP
20:01 MiJyn STHGOM, means, I agree
20:01 MiJyn sfan5, lol
20:01 markveidemanis does,it,mean,that? :D
20:01 MiJyn sfan5, you're a brony, right?
20:02 sfan5 no
20:02 MiJyn oh
20:02 sfan5 2170 oerkki!
20:02 markveidemanis think you are speaking, would you interrupt where you put a comma?
20:02 sfan5 1714 yoda
20:02 markveidemanis who wants to play with me on my world
20:02 MiJyn sfan5, lol you have too much spare time :P
20:02 MiJyn markveidemanis, is it on a server?
20:02 sfan5 maybe
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20:03 markveidemanis no, local
20:03 sfan5 avatar 3919  also pony
20:03 MiJyn markveidemanis, then how can we play?
20:03 markveidemanis server is down iirc
20:03 sfan5 3790 hulk
20:03 MiJyn sfan5, lol, are you ok? xD
20:03 sfan5 yes
20:03 markveidemanis only time will tell
20:03 MiJyn O_o
20:03 markveidemanis fancy way of saying im too tired to explain
20:03 sfan5 3286 cute linux penguin <3
20:04 sfan5 3963 smiling tree
20:04 markveidemanis ok, updating subdomain
20:04 PilzAdam sfan5, 2443 should be the minetest logo
20:04 sfan5 1798 cure kitty
20:04 MiJyn sfan5, alright, fine, I'm visiting those profiles
20:04 sfan5 PilzAdam: thats right
20:05 khonkhortisan So you're already past my avatar
20:05 markveidemanis arrgh, creative
20:06 sfan5 MiJyn: you don't need to
20:06 sfan5 http://sfan5.dyndns.org/avatars/
20:07 markveidemanis markmt.strangled.net is the ip port:30000
20:07 MiJyn sfan5, :/
20:08 jordan4ibanez sfan5 I see you've taken up a new hobby of pirating avatars
20:08 sfan5 :/
20:09 MiJyn :\
20:09 jordan4ibanez :/
20:09 sfan5 :/
20:09 sfan5 damn
20:09 sfan5 :\
20:09 MiJyn :/ \:
20:09 jordan4ibanez :|
20:09 MiJyn :\ /:
20:09 MiJyn ::::::::::::::::::::::::::
20:09 sfan5 o/ \o ~o~ o/  \o
20:10 khonkhortisan Are you trying to use the forum avatars in-game?
20:10 sfan5 no
20:10 MiJyn o:o:o:o:o
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20:10 MiJyn hi whirm1
20:10 jordan4ibanez :):(:):(:
20:10 Bloax why would you pirate avatars when you have this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/OctoSir.png
20:11 MiJyn :(){ :|:& };:
20:11 Bloax Also I dunno guys.
20:11 Bloax https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/WIP/Stone.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/WIP/Stone_Default.png
20:11 MiJyn I like it @Bloax
20:12 Bloax 16x16 Is really bad.
20:12 khonkhortisan /o\ /o- /o/ -o/ \o/ \o- \o\ -o\ /o\
20:12 Bloax https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/beutiful.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/HexaShine.png
20:13 MiJyn I like the second one better
20:13 whirm1 MiJyn: hi
20:15 markveidemanis someone join markmt.strangled.net
20:17 jordan4ibanez kind of scared
20:17 jordan4ibanez but going to
20:19 markveidemanis fartfuck ??
20:19 jordan4ibanez wat
20:20 jordan4ibanez joining now
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20:21 markveidemanis its up now
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20:23 STHGOM what?
20:23 NakedFury hello
20:23 markveidemanis Hello.
20:25 STHGOM hello
20:27 markveidemanis Hello.
20:27 jordan4ibanez hello
20:29 Bloax https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/WIP/Grass.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/WIP/Grass_Default.png
20:29 Bloax Hm?
20:29 NekoGloop|Laptop 16x16 is love
20:29 Bloax 16x16 Sucks.
20:29 NekoGloop|Laptop You suck.
20:29 Bloax Yes.
20:30 Bloax You can't have this in 16x16 however: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/Brix2.png
20:30 jordan4ibanez I say we have 1099511627776x1099511627776 textures
20:33 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, minetest can't support that
20:33 MiJyn so no
20:33 jordan4ibanez Are you sure? I think we could render 1 or 2 blocks with that
20:33 Bloax You'd run out of disk space.
20:35 Bloax Also, what's crack_anylength?
20:35 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, maybe
20:36 PilzAdam Bloax, the crack that is shown when digging nodes
20:36 Bloax Yeah, but what about the _anylength?
20:36 PilzAdam because any animation length is supported?
20:37 jordan4ibanez No, you'd just need a 1000 PB hard drive to store one of the images
20:37 Bloax Interesting.
20:38 jordan4ibanez and saying you're standing about 1 block away from the block that's rendered, each pixel would be about 4 atoms each
20:41 jordan4ibanez depending on the size of your screen, I rounded up to 1024x1024, if you stood so the block directly took up the exact screen, that's a little too much math for me
20:42 sfan5 i think i'm going to compile irrlicht for iphone
20:42 * sfan5 installed mac os x lion in virtualbox
20:43 jordan4ibanez I almost crossed the line with a joke, but that's cool, what version?
20:43 sfan5 are you talking to me?
20:43 jordan4ibanez yes
20:43 sfan5 what version of what?
20:44 jordan4ibanez m
20:44 jordan4ibanez a
20:44 jordan4ibanez c
20:44 jordan4ibanez
20:44 jordan4ibanez o
20:44 jordan4ibanez s
20:44 jordan4ibanez x
20:44 sfan5 * sfan5 installed mac os x _____lion______ in virtualbox
20:44 MiJyn lion?
20:44 sfan5 is that so difficult -.-
20:44 markveidemanis leopard
20:44 markveidemanis cheetah
20:45 jordan4ibanez yes but what kind of lion? african? indonesian?
20:45 markveidemanis tiger
20:45 MiJyn snow
20:45 markveidemanis antarctican?
20:45 STHGOM markveidemanis what is your server?
20:45 markveidemanis indonesian
20:45 markveidemanis DOWN
20:45 STHGOM and does it have mesecons?
20:45 markveidemanis No, removed it
20:45 STHGOM ok
20:45 markveidemanis hated it...
20:46 markveidemanis sfan5
20:46 sfan5 what?
20:46 markveidemanis !unignore"""
20:46 markveidemanis it reverted
20:48 markveidemanis !up minetest.org
20:48 markveidemanis STHGOM, how good are you at minetest, know the craftings?
20:49 khonkhortisan I challenge you to build this: http://postimage.org/image/ebvjm5rtx/
20:50 markveidemanis LOL
20:50 markveidemanis worldedit
20:50 khonkhortisan nope
20:50 khonkhortisan didn't change cart code either
20:50 khonkhortisan carts are entities, can't be done with worldedit
20:50 markveidemanis place block, place cart, remove block, place cars
20:50 markveidemanis cart
20:51 khonkhortisan need rail
20:51 khonkhortisan and I removed the rail during construction
20:51 markveidemanis oh yea
20:51 sfan5 !c 4.99 * 3
20:51 MinetestBot 14.97
20:51 markveidemanis ! 16 * 108
20:51 Bloax http://instacalc.com/
20:51 STHGOM house on wheels :D
20:52 markveidemanis STHGOM, how good are you at minetest, know the craftings?
20:52 khonkhortisan place rail, place cart, place sand next to cart one higher than it, place sand above cart, repeat. Dig all sand from under house.
20:52 STHGOM hmm...
20:52 khonkhortisan Remove carts, place sand near, place windows/doors
20:52 STHGOM idk, how good is good?
20:53 markveidemanis you know all craft recipes from the game: wood, smelting recipes, you know where to find clay and other ores
20:53 sfan5 !c 2 000 000 * 0.01
20:53 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
20:53 sfan5 !c 2000000 * 0.01
20:53 MinetestBot 20 000
20:53 STHGOM oohh yes im pretty good
20:53 markveidemanis k, but my server is down :(
20:54 markveidemanis and local speed is shit...
20:54 STHGOM i like making bases with mesecons and sensors and suck
20:54 STHGOM such*
20:54 ShadowNinja sfan5: would 10^10^100 work?
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20:54 sfan5 !c 10^10^100
20:54 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
20:55 sfan5 it queries google calculator
20:55 ShadowNinja !c 10^100
20:55 MinetestBot 1.0 × 10^(100)
20:55 khonkhortisan !c (10^10)^10
20:55 MinetestBot 1.0 × 10^(100)
20:55 markveidemanis ..
20:55 markveidemanis googolplex
20:55 khonkhortisan !c 10^(10^10)
20:55 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
20:55 khonkhortisan huh
20:55 ShadowNinja aww, it uses scientific notation
20:56 STHGOM i learned a little lua the other day due to luacontrollers :3
20:56 ShadowNinja infinite 0's would be fun :-)
20:56 jordan4ibanez !c dog+cat
20:56 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
20:56 jordan4ibanez DAMN
20:57 ShadowNinja can someone pull this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/531
20:57 markveidemanis !c 10 + 108935
20:57 markveidemanis sfan5
20:57 jordan4ibanez !c 3.14*2012/666
20:57 MinetestBot 9.48600601
20:57 khonkhortisan that looks like an I_get...
20:57 markveidemanis !b64e HELLO
20:57 sfan5 !unignore markveidemanis
20:57 MinetestBot sfan5: 'markveidemanis' removed from ignore list.
20:57 markveidemanis thank you sfan5
20:57 markveidemanis ...again
20:57 markveidemanis !up minetest.org
20:58 MinetestBot minetest.org:30000 seems to be down
20:58 markveidemanis OldCoder: why are worlds still down?
20:58 markveidemanis !b64e OldCoder
20:58 MinetestBot T2xkQ29kZXI=
20:58 markveidemanis !b16d T2xkQ29kZXI=
20:58 MinetestBot markveidemanis: Non-base16 digit found
20:59 markveidemanis that could be a smart way...
21:00 markveidemanis encoded twice: 34463643363434333646363436353732
21:00 ShadowNinja also, this can be closed: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/501
21:00 sfan5 ok, so lets see if i can compile irrlicht for iphone
21:01 markveidemanis i have encoded the name OldCoder...
21:01 markveidemanis 5 times
21:01 markveidemanis and i got:
21:01 markveidemanis 33333334333433363333333633343333333333363333333433333334333333333333333633343336333333363333333433333336333333353333333733333332
21:01 khonkhortisan the bot doesn't have a decode loop
21:02 markveidemanis cool, right?
21:02 Jordach sfan5, did you mean: ipod
21:02 sfan5[Mac] joined #minetest
21:02 khonkhortisan too many threes
21:02 sfan5 i meant both
21:02 markveidemanis gtg Cya Tomorow
21:03 sfan5[Mac] sfan5: hello myself
21:03 jordan4ibanez !c cat+d.og=fish
21:03 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
21:03 Bloax Would someone explain to me why I'm fixing up the default texture pack?
21:04 Jordach sfan5[Mac], owns a mac?
21:04 sfan5[Mac] no, but i have virtualbox
21:04 jordan4ibanez sfan5[crackintosh] put that on your real machine!
21:05 sfan5[Mac] i don't want to
21:05 khonkhortisan Diagonal rail and connect_to_raillike would have a merge conflict should they both be merged. If I merged them before either of their pull requests was merged where would I put the result?
21:05 jordan4ibanez please? :c
21:05 sfan5[Mac] why?
21:05 jordan4ibanez to try it :D
21:05 khonkhortisan diagonal rail moves the code connect_to_raillike changes.
21:06 sfan5[Mac] jordan4ibanez: hm...
21:07 NekoGloop|Laptop !b256d gfhsafg325
21:07 sfan5[Mac] NekoGloop|Laptop: MinetestBot supports at max base 64
21:12 jordan4ibanez moop
21:28 Bloax Anyways, if anyone's interested for some reason.
21:29 Bloax https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/WIP/textures.zip
21:30 * Jordach dislikes writing graphics using OpenGL or any rendering engine
21:30 jordan4ibanez did you hear about the new simcity?
21:31 Jordach PILE OF SHIT
21:31 jordan4ibanez no
21:31 jordan4ibanez it's worse than that
21:31 jordan4ibanez MUCH WORSE
21:31 * Jordach takes a shit on it to make sure
21:31 jordan4ibanez ea is paying people to say the game is good
21:31 Jordach >:D
21:31 jordan4ibanez look here http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/simcity
21:31 Jordach jordan4ibanez, remember simcity 2000?
21:32 Jordach someone with 100 BULLSHIT
21:32 jordan4ibanez 12 good reviews from payed critics, 1 bad one, 134 good user reviews, over 1000 extremely negative reviews
21:32 jordan4ibanez yes I'm  about to get it for dosbox
21:32 Bloax Must be grate.
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21:33 jordan4ibanez this is going to kill ea
21:34 ruskie not really
21:34 ruskie will just kill simcity and maxis sadly
21:34 ruskie but that's what EA is good at
21:34 * Jordach has a copy of SimCity 3000 lying about
21:35 jordan4ibanez no, this is a new low for ea, this is like video game crash low, except it's happening to one company
21:35 Jordach jordan4ibanez, BF3 wasnt a flop
21:36 PilzAdam ^
21:36 jordan4ibanez no, if you ask for a refund, they'll ban your ea account
21:36 ruskie jordan4ibanez, most people don't ask for refunds but go with chargebacks
21:36 jordan4ibanez amazon has pulled the digital copy of this game already
21:36 ruskie and those are explicitly forbiden by the terms of service
21:37 ruskie same with steam and other digital distribution
21:37 jordan4ibanez that's what I mean, they will ban your account for that
21:37 ruskie as will steam
21:37 ruskie and others
21:37 ruskie chargeback != refund
21:38 jordan4ibanez and the physical copy too
21:38 ruskie you can get a refund from ea/steam etc... by doing the proper refund thing
21:39 jordan4ibanez no, you don't understand, they will ban you for trying to do that, since there are so many people trying to get a refund
21:40 jordan4ibanez any kind of refunding/returning of money of this game is offlimits right now, and results in a ban, it's insane
21:40 Bloax It's THE WarZ
21:40 Bloax Oh wait no it's Simcity.
21:40 ruskie "In general we do not offer refunds on digital download games," EA tweeted through its official Origin account yesterday
21:40 ruskie -o yeah
21:40 Bloax too bad you can't like
21:40 Bloax buy it normally
21:40 Bloax LOL
21:40 Bloax ~ EA
21:41 ruskie but that's specific to the states
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21:41 ruskie EU has a 14days cool-off period
21:41 Bloax murica am best capitalist
21:41 ruskie http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/ea-not-altering-return-policy-for-furious-simcity-buyers/ <-- jordan4ibanez this seems to be quite well written
21:41 ruskie A minor furor developed over the last few days when one irate customer claimed EA support had threatened to ban his Origin account merely for requesting a refund. However, the banning "threat" only came when the customer himself threatened to have his bank stop payment on the still-pending
21:42 ruskie transaction. "We will not ban players for requesting refunds," EA clarified through its Origin Twitter account.
21:42 ruskie says it all
21:42 ruskie threaten them with chargeback and they will respond in kind
21:43 Bloax because apparently
21:43 Bloax when you want a refund
21:43 Bloax and get refused
21:43 Bloax then charging back is against teh policy
21:43 Bloax 'tis gud and all
21:43 Bloax very gud comdey ea
21:43 ruskie only if you are entitled to a refund
21:43 Bloax pls continue
21:44 ruskie read the terms of service before buying stuff
21:44 jordan4ibanez wow
21:44 ruskie this is why I don't like digital downloads
21:44 Bloax <ruskie> read the terms of service before buying stuff
21:44 Bloax This would be nice and easy.
21:44 jordan4ibanez I like this one http://i.imgur.com/21ca7Lt.jpg
21:44 Bloax If you were educated in legalese and had a spare fifteen minutes just for this occasion.
21:45 jordan4ibanez wow, the negative reviews just jumped from 1000 to 2000 :o
21:45 ruskie hehe
21:45 ruskie basically EA wants to be a service company... selling games to you as a service
21:46 jordan4ibanez the funny part is they weren't even prepared for that lol
21:46 ruskie of course not
21:46 ruskie it's EA
21:46 jordan4ibanez I guess we are in the video game crash?
21:46 ruskie not really
21:47 ruskie there's still plenty of companies doing good stuff
21:47 jordan4ibanez _ea_ video game crash? xD
21:47 Bloax EA on game franchises: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTuMh7VDaC4&amp;t=6m11s
21:47 ruskie anyway this is all somewhat offtopic
21:47 ruskie other than that it is amusing hehe
21:48 ruskie and really it couldn't happen to a nicer company
21:49 jordan4ibanez microsoft lol
21:50 Bloax Does Microsoft use forced marketing and ruin every single promising company ever?
21:50 jordan4ibanez it's starting to
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21:52 jordan4ibanez which would be itself xD
21:53 Bloax Well EA has a huge hitlist.
21:57 sfan5[Mac] irrlicht for iphone/ipod is compiling...
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22:00 jordan4ibanez sfan5 minetest for iphone?
22:02 sfan5[Mac] irrlicht
22:02 sfan5[Mac] just irrlicht
22:02 jordan4ibanez and then add in the minetest source...and PRESTO
22:03 sfan5[Mac] you don't have a hardware keyboard on iphone
22:04 jordan4ibanez but you could get a usb hub for it!
22:05 sfan5[Mac] the point of porting it is not to just compile it, the point is to make it useable on that platform
22:07 jordan4ibanez well start with a usb keyboard/mouse hub, then build a gui for the buttons, and presto, minemac
22:08 sfan5[Mac] a gui?
22:08 sfan5[Mac] irrlicht provides the gui
22:08 jordan4ibanez no, the buttons like a game on ipad that uses little analog touchscreen buttons
22:10 * Jordach claps with sarcasm
22:10 jordan4ibanez I don't know how to ipad man, leave me alone lol
22:10 sfan5[Mac] 619 of 634 source files, cn
22:11 sfan5[Mac] s/, cn//
22:12 Jordach heres some free disk space http://www.filldisk.com/
22:12 jordan4ibanez around 55 mb the page just crashed lol
22:14 sfan5[Mac] Jordach: how did you know that i watched a video about that?
22:14 Jordach because GitHub
22:14 Jordach you starred the code and i was interested
22:14 Jordach >:D
22:14 sfan5[Mac] ah, irght
22:14 sfan5[Mac] *right
22:14 Jordach also: just merged more graphical stuff into my client
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22:15 YoungDerp hi all
22:16 sfan5[Mac] hi
22:16 YoungDerp just got a new computer (it's Kacey btw)
22:16 YoungDerp booting it up now ^_^
22:17 sfan5[Mac] irrlicht for ios built successfully yay
22:17 Jordach hoo!
22:17 Jordach six days of committing on github
22:18 * Jordach has been going for a week now
22:18 PilzAdam bye
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22:18 Jordach bb
22:19 jordan4ibanez_ around 1000mb the browser crashed
22:20 YoungDerp ^_^
22:21 YoungDerp my new laptop has windows 8 on it...
22:21 YoungDerp ooh well
22:21 jordan4ibanez you poor chipmunk
22:22 STHGOM bye
22:22 YoungDerp meh
22:23 Jordach i've used windows 8 and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it
22:23 YoungDerp i need a windows machine
22:23 YoungDerp for RoR
22:23 Jordach it's the idiots who cant change from a desktop to the furture
22:24 Jordach future*
22:24 Jordach eg, business users
22:24 YoungDerp like desktops :(
22:24 jordan4ibanez you mean EVERYBODY
22:24 Jordach desktops will be around for a VERY VERY VERY LONG TIME
22:24 jordan4ibanez Well I shouldn't be talking, I just installed freedos on my computer
22:25 Jordach things such as mobile devices CANNOT HANDLE THINGS like Pixar quality modeling and CAD works
22:25 Jordach have you even tried to draw using a iPad + iPen?
22:25 jordan4ibanez are you sure? the new ipod shuffle can emulate the ps3
22:25 Jordach FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE.
22:25 jordan4ibanez nope nope nope
22:25 jordan4ibanez it's a cluster of them
22:25 Jordach then it's not a single device, is it?
22:26 jordan4ibanez well it is, they're ducttaped together
22:26 Jordach i like windows 8 since it opened some new windows.
22:26 Jordach ...literally.
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22:26 YoungDerp windows 8 takes forever to start the first time...
22:26 Jordach without mobile support -- windows WILL DIE.
22:26 YoungDerp even xubuntu didnt take this long...
22:26 Jordach MS don't know what the mobile users want
22:27 jordan4ibanez without mobile support windows will die, windows is just the grandfather of dos :3
22:27 Jordach GRANDFATHER
22:27 jordan4ibanez and dos computers surely werent mobile damnit
22:27 Jordach DoS is the grandfather of Windows
22:27 Jordach get yer facts right
22:27 Jordach actually no.
22:27 jordan4ibanez OOPS, you caught my mistake you bastard
22:27 Jordach The xerox parc was the first GUI OS
22:28 jordan4ibanez NOPE, amiga was!
22:28 Jordach Apple stole it
22:28 Jordach again, your facts are invailid
22:28 Jordach invalid
22:28 Jordach **
22:28 jordan4ibanez no i said it so it's now true
22:28 YoungDerp usb 3.0?!?!?!?!?!?!? since when?!
22:29 jordan4ibanez ?! since like 3 years ago
22:29 Jordach The amiga came about during the early 1980's just like most home computers that used a TV
22:29 sfan5 my external hdd got usb 3.0
22:29 khonkhortisan Nov. '08
22:29 Jordach such as Commodore, Atari, Acorn, BBC Micro
22:29 Jordach ffs
22:29 Jordach GET. YOUR. FACTS. RIGHT.
22:30 sfan5 i'm going to bed nnow
22:30 khonkhortisan Jordach is a supporter of pull request merging
22:30 sfan5 -n
22:30 YoungDerp booted
22:30 jordan4ibanez jordach I think the turbografx16 was the first gui pc
22:30 khonkhortisan YD, your "real name" gives you away
22:30 YoungDerp im saving Kacey for windows 8 computer
22:31 khonkhortisan MinetestBot's controller has left the building
22:32 YoungDerp Google Chrome installing...
22:34 YoungDerp installed
22:36 YoungDerp IceChat installing...
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22:37 NekoGloop|Laptop ew icechat
22:37 NekoGloop|Laptop get a real IRC client.
22:37 YoungDerp i like icechat
22:37 YoungDerp i would do XChat but im not a real fan of it
22:38 khonkhortisan icons? on irc‽
22:39 YoungDerp Xchat downloaded...
22:40 Kacey joined #minetest
22:40 YoungDerp k
22:40 Kacey here i am guys
22:40 khonkhortisan Hello Kacey, YoungDerp.
22:44 kaeza yay at last! action in the hoods
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22:47 Kacey ...
22:47 kaeza sup Kaceygame
22:48 Kacey windows 8 rebooted
22:48 Kacey inactive right now
22:48 Kacey i was downloading 0.4.5 on my asus
22:48 * RealBadAngel yawns
22:49 sokomine is the right place to look for the current version still https://github.com/celeron55/minetest ?
22:49 * jordan4ibanez tucks in RealBadAngel
22:49 jordan4ibanez goodnight rba
22:49 RealBadAngel lol, not going to sleep, no way
22:50 RealBadAngel im coding now Stargates
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22:50 sokomine what do they do? and where?
22:50 RealBadAngel just made a pause to figure out some mechanics
22:50 jordan4ibanez what r teh stargates?
22:50 RealBadAngel teleporters basically
22:51 NekoGloop|Laptop Think techno portals.
22:51 RealBadAngel configurable in networks, private or public
22:51 khonkhortisan sokomine, either there or https://github.com/minetest/minetest
22:51 RealBadAngel and how do they look like you can check:
22:51 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/stargate.zip
22:52 khonkhortisan I like the idea of having private/public portals
22:52 kaeza RealBadAngel, soon: PORTALS BETWEEN SERVERS :)
22:52 khonkhortisan ooh
22:52 jordan4ibanez rba can I have a special version that plays techno when you teleport?
22:52 RealBadAngel if you mark gate as public it will appear on public list of possible destinations
22:53 Kacey joined #minetest
22:53 RealBadAngel and your own gate can connect to it
22:53 Kacey ... AGAIN?!?!?!?!
22:53 khonkhortisan mainframe-only server, privately owned server with portal in house on other server
22:53 jordan4ibanez kacey you use comcast?
22:53 Kacey yep
22:53 khonkhortisan me too
22:53 jordan4ibanez satan be awayth with thou!
22:54 khonkhortisan first company to get fiber-optic out here
22:54 khonkhortisan no more modem sounds for me
22:54 jordan4ibanez comcast is kind of poop
22:54 jordan4ibanez but no worse then verizon
22:54 RealBadAngel kaeza, yes, Stargates will also serve for inter server travelling
22:54 Kacey joined #minetest
22:55 khonkhortisan wb
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22:55 khonkhortisan I saw two joins with no part in between, but a name change
22:55 jordan4ibanez I have verizon quantem, and I only get 13mps or whatever when they advertise 50mps, and it's so slow they even recommended i switch to it when I ALREADY FUCKING HAVE IT
22:56 Kacey hang on another update coming...
22:56 khonkhortisan call the company and have them switch you, it might change the speed
22:56 khonkhortisan stop rebooting every time you install something!
22:56 khonkhortisan That's reserved for kernels and graphics drivers only.
22:56 Kacey i cant
22:56 Kacey it does that automatically
22:57 jordan4ibanez it doesn't change, it's not that bad though, I just can't download a full 1080p movie in 12 minutes or whatever
22:57 khonkhortisan minesweeper should not have the power of the "off" button.
22:58 khonkhortisan If I made a program that all it did was install itself over and over, it wouldn't just waste cpu, it could cause loss of data.
22:58 jordan4ibanez that sounds like a fun program
22:58 RealBadAngel i just figured out how the local and inter servers should look like :) local gates will be 3x3 in size, the ones that will connect servers will be 4x4
22:58 khonkhortisan on my computer, it would only waste cpu and wear out the hard drive
22:59 khonkhortisan yeah the server ones should be obvious
22:59 khonkhortisan longer transfer time
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22:59 RealBadAngel this and maybe slightly different gfx
23:00 Kacey huh...
23:00 RealBadAngel so players can see from far what kind of gate it is
23:00 khonkhortisan the inter-server portal gets the splash effect
23:01 khonkhortisan Can portals be made horizontally?
23:01 RealBadAngel what for?
23:02 khonkhortisan I can't think of a good reason
23:02 RealBadAngel hehehe
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23:02 Kaceygame <Kacey> here i am!
23:02 jordan4ibanez so you can jump into them!
23:02 Kaceygame *** Kacey left the game
23:02 jordan4ibanez horizontal portals
23:03 Kaceygame *** Kacey joined the game
23:03 khonkhortisan obstacle course with traps that move you back to the start
23:03 Kacey oops
23:03 jordan4ibanez a mineshaft which sends carts back to spawn
23:03 khonkhortisan you running the irc mod?
23:03 RealBadAngel portals are abms
23:03 khonkhortisan inter-server railroad
23:04 RealBadAngel they can transport any entities nearby
23:04 Kacey yep
23:04 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts a kitten on Gambit's head
23:04 MiJyn ohaithere gambit
23:04 khonkhortisan Hello Gambit.
23:04 jordan4ibanez that sounds marvelous
23:04 jordan4ibanez gambit is in here?
23:04 Gambit MiJyn: Hi. I'm not the Gambit from the minetest forums.
23:04 Kaceygame *** Kacey left the game
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23:05 jordan4ibanez aw
23:05 RealBadAngel for this to work flawlessly we will need that patch that allows entities to force load
23:05 Gambit I am the Gambit from the Battle for Wesnoth forums :P
23:05 Kacey we need a chunk loader block...
23:05 NekoGloop|Laptop No, it's not the epic texturepack guy.
23:05 jordan4ibanez rba i've been asking for that for about a year now
23:05 RealBadAngel me too
23:06 MiJyn Gambit, yes, I know, you explained :)
23:06 khonkhortisan If you're the same Gambit that banned me, a kick would've been nicer
23:06 MiJyn are you a dev?
23:06 * Kacey could almost install an hd texture pack and still get 60 fps on this laptop...
23:06 Gambit khonkhortisan: Are you the homophobic dude?
23:06 khonkhortisan wesnoth-affiliated cloak
23:06 khonkhortisan yep
23:06 Gambit MiJyn: yeah
23:06 MiJyn nice, what do you do?
23:06 Kacey ?
23:07 Kaceygame <Kacey> howdo i trn on sound in-game?
23:07 kaeza congratulashuns on your 100th post Kacey
23:07 Gambit I did some minor work making it easier for people who make multiplayer mods for the game, and some other miscellaneous things.
23:07 NekoGloop|Laptop Kacey, install openal.
23:07 Kacey hey really?
23:07 MiJyn Gambit, ah
23:07 khonkhortisan Sound should be on by default
23:07 Kacey nvm on that i will listen to my music...
23:07 MiJyn cool! I like that game :D
23:07 khonkhortisan but there's a setting in the menu now
23:08 jordan4ibanez you need
23:08 jordan4ibanez the open al shit
23:08 Kaceygame <Kacey> 30 fps...
23:08 RealBadAngel if the open al is not installed volume control wont help
23:08 RealBadAngel Gambit, like what things?
23:09 Kaceygame *** Kacey left the game
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23:10 khonkhortisan ***Kacey left irc ***Kacey joined irc
23:10 Kacey lol
23:10 kaeza I really need to add an option to disable leave/join messages in that thing
23:10 NekoGloop|Laptop *** NekoGloop kicks khonkhortisan in the head
23:11 * khonkhortisan does a flip
23:11 YoungDerp teamviewer will help me run a (somewhat) dedicated server
23:13 Kaceygame <Kacey> how did my fps go down if i turned everything off?
23:15 Kaceygame *** khonkhortisan joined the game
23:15 jordan4ibanez kacey what is your ip adress for server?
23:15 khonkhortisan it's Kacey's ip
23:15 Kaceygame <Kacey>  /whoisme to find it
23:16 Kaceygame <Kacey> use YoungDerp though
23:16 khonkhortisan Kaceygame's ip, I meant.
23:16 jordan4ibanez .just tell me damnit
23:16 YoungDerp 67.190.14.129
23:16 khonkhortisan 67.190.
23:17 khonkhortisan 94% media
23:17 Kaceygame *** shitfuckfarts joined the game
23:17 jordan4ibanez and that is the danger of minetest irc mod
23:18 Kaceygame <Kacey> j4i, please dont be doing that
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23:19 Kaceygame <Kacey> this is sad...
23:19 khonkhortisan might have to turn that off until join/part messages get a setting
23:19 Kaceygame *** cantconnect joined the game
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23:20 Kaceygame <Kacey> im 2 feet away from my servercomputer and lagging
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23:20 khonkhortisan 97% media, I'll cancel
23:20 jordan4ibanez ok that is not me this time
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23:21 khonkhortisan okay we get it
23:21 Menche what is going on?
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23:21 Kaceygame <Kacey> hi Menche
23:21 Menche ???
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23:22 Kaceygame <Kacey> irc mod
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23:22 RealBadAngel oh, rly?
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23:23 * Menche didn't even join the game in the first place
23:23 Kaceygame *** yesyoudid joined the game
23:23 kaeza not sure if real users, or creative pings
23:23 Kacey shutdown the server
23:25 jordan4ibanez >.>
23:25 jordan4ibanez <.<
23:25 jordan4ibanez it was me :3
23:25 YoungDerp rebooting again...
23:25 jordan4ibanez OHGOD hes still here
23:25 khonkhortisan yeah
23:25 YoungDerp ya
23:25 YoungDerp the acer is always here now ^_^
23:27 Menche ...changing my avatar on github requires me to make an account at another site?
23:28 kaeza yup
23:28 jordan4ibanez dontchyaknow menche?
23:28 Kacey joined #minetest
23:29 * Menche can't count the number of times Kacey has joined / left
23:29 khonkhortisan Gambit, all I ask is to be unbanned. You won't have any further problems from me.
23:29 YoungDerp keep rebooting
23:30 jordan4ibanez gambit unban him, I can vouche for him
23:30 MiJyn me too
23:30 jordan4ibanez wait your banned too mijyn?
23:30 MiJyn no, I mean, I can vouche for him too
23:30 jordan4ibanez yea
23:31 MiJyn lol I'm not banned from most societies
23:31 MiJyn or groups or whatever you want to call them
23:31 jordan4ibanez And I can also vouche that this is the best game of the 90s sbtype=sb16 sbbase=280 irq=7 dma=1 hdma=5
23:31 jordan4ibanez http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/87/Nascar+Racing.html ****
23:31 kaeza jordan4ibanez, nope
23:32 kaeza Ultima VI: The False Prophet
23:32 MiJyn kaeza, nope, Quake
23:32 MiJyn or Doom
23:32 jordan4ibanez OOPS, I meant best racing sim
23:32 jordan4ibanez it has damage simulation!
23:32 MiJyn ok, I agree with _that_
23:32 MiJyn but not with the "best game"
23:32 khonkhortisan savage would be a candidate for worst game
23:32 Kacey ... my computer is slower than my netbook...
23:33 jordan4ibanez sounds like you should install windows 98
23:33 MiJyn jordan4ibane,z or arch
23:33 MiJyn *jordan4ibanez
23:33 kaeza nope
23:33 MiJyn that's way faster than 98
23:33 Kacey XUbuntu is goingon here if it doesnt speed up...
23:33 jordan4ibanez Hordan4Hibanez*
23:33 kaeza Windows version 4.10.2222
23:34 jordan4ibanez No, windows 98 is very VERY fast
23:34 jordan4ibanez especially on pentium 4s
23:34 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, yes, I know, but arch is very VERY faster
23:34 kaeza jordan4ibanez, Win 4.10.2222 == Win98 SE
23:34 Kacey just got thiscomputer today
23:34 jordan4ibanez when you put a gui on top of arch, it slows down, and it's not very useful for slow pcs, windows 98 is the answer
23:34 Kacey it has 4x the RAM of my netbook
23:35 FreeFull Windows 98 also has the security of a bag of golden coins in the middle of a shady alley
23:35 jordan4ibanez exactly, that's why you only use it for gaming
23:35 MiJyn jordan4ibanez, depends on the GUI. If you use GNOME 3, then duh, but if you use enlightenment, it's as fast as hell
23:35 MiJyn WAY faster than 98
23:35 mauvebic win98 lol
23:35 jordan4ibanez use minix as a gui, solved
23:35 Menche i have a gui on arch...
23:35 mauvebic takes me back
23:35 Menche i3 ftw!
23:35 FreeFull Minix isn't a gui
23:35 MiJyn Menche, VISION A6 FTW!
23:36 Menche ?
23:36 mauvebic when i used win98, you could buy a pack of smokes in canada for 4~5$ lol
23:36 FreeFull It's just a failed unix
23:36 MiJyn FreeFull, yeah
23:36 MiJyn Menche, VISION A6 is a cpu from amd
23:36 MiJyn I have it
23:36 MiJyn *CPU *AMD
23:36 jordan4ibanez I know, i just wanted to start another conversation
23:36 mauvebic why not lxde?
23:36 Menche by "i3" i meant the window manager
23:36 MiJyn uh...?
23:36 MiJyn mauvebic, because it's slow?
23:36 Menche i used to use lxde and xfce
23:36 MiJyn Menche, oh
23:37 MiJyn haven't heard of it
23:37 FreeFull I tend to use dwm
23:37 mauvebic never used lxde myself, but its sposed to be lower spec than xfce
23:37 FreeFull Have xmonad installed but didn't go through with the switch for some reason
23:37 mauvebic i dont like openbox since the gui's are far from uniform
23:37 MiJyn mauvebic, of course, but it's much slower than, say, enlightenment
23:37 FreeFull I think I just don't feel like configuring it to my tastes yet
23:37 FreeFull Although it seems like it'll be easier to extend to do what I want once I do
23:37 jordan4ibanez I like the feeling of windows explorer, it's very clean, and there's a nice clone of it
23:38 mauvebic enlightment? i first heard about it ten years ago, never thought theyd get around to finishing it lol
23:38 kaeza jordan4ibanez, +1
23:38 MiJyn mauvebic, they did! In december
23:38 MiJyn december 2012
23:38 MiJyn or november
23:38 MiJyn I think december
23:38 kaeza Unix file managers just plain suck
23:38 mauvebic but the design must still be over a decade old?
23:38 MiJyn kaeza, +10000
23:38 Menche why?
23:38 MiJyn mauvebic, look at it... they made a new theme... it's EPIC
23:38 mauvebic kaeza that they do, thunar never saves my tab widths
23:39 MiJyn mauvebic, the best one I've seen so far is PCmanFM
23:39 mauvebic and despite looking easy, setting up shares are anything but lol
23:39 Menche i use pcmanfm when i need a graphical file manager
23:39 mauvebic though any DE that gives different gui's for each window is a dealbreaker for me
23:39 khonkhortisan the carts mod is very axis-oriented.
23:39 MiJyn Menche, same here
23:42 jordan4ibanez wow playing sierra's nascar damn. this game is fucking impressive for windows 98 nevermind DOS
23:42 * Menche wonders why some people add numbers to the end of their name for no apparent reason
23:42 mauvebic myst is old and still looks awesome lol
23:43 mauvebic i actually liked most games better in the 90's, nowadays i just dont wanna buy em
23:43 mauvebic (simcity 4K still better than simcity 5 or sim societies lol)
23:47 MiJyn @Menche:
23:47 Menche666 there
23:47 MiJyn see?
23:47 MiJyn xD
23:48 MiJyn run, right?
23:48 MiJyn *fun
23:49 Menche now try to remember my username :D
23:49 Menche138i284 oops, an i got in there
23:49 MiJyn apple fan? xD
23:49 khonkhortisan your new name doesn't feel real until you talk with it
23:49 Kacey rebooting AGAIN
23:50 * iMenche starts turning into an aluminum block
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