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00:00 STHGOM what kind?
00:00 Kacey machines
00:00 Kacey not mesecons or technic
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00:05 khonkhortisan I remember seeing a node with a face on it that dug stuff
00:07 khonkhortisan it should be possible to throw wood into an engine, have the fire boil some water, have the steam go through a pipe, and power a train - though maybe not on the current rail.
00:07 STHGOM like cars?
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00:09 Kacey khonkhortisan, that is the workers mod
00:20 STHGOM bye
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00:29 jojoa1997 proller you there?
00:38 Kacey nope
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01:04 khonkhortisan gif: http://76.121.156.73/mt/diagonal_rail.gif
01:15 Kacey cool
01:17 Kacey kaeza, you around?
01:24 sokomine hm. the smallest circle might even provide some of the images i'm looking for. it almost looks like a wooden wheel
01:25 OWNSyouAll Is there any plans to move the default.generate_ore into the api?
01:27 sokomine sorry, no idea
01:28 Exio into the api? what?
01:29 Exio it is "public" (or whatever it should be called), afaik you can use it if you use "default.generate_ore" and the mod has default in the dependencies (or whatever it is spelled :P)
01:30 Exio and there are plans for moving the ore generation to the C++ core/engine
01:30 Exio for reducing the load in lua
01:31 OWNSyouAll Exio: ah k thanks
02:02 Kacey idiots at school...
02:04 Exio kill them with fire
02:04 Exio (and be sure there are not water near)
02:04 Kacey wish i could
02:04 Exio maybe i can help
02:05 Kacey but i am already a security threat as it is
02:05 Exio 1000 USD every person, you pay the travel from my country to where you live
02:06 Kacey naw 3 pounds of dynamite would kill 'em all
02:07 Exio if you want dynamite i make a discout, 1500 USD / 4 people >:D
02:08 Kacey i can get dynamite 3 stciks for $1
02:09 khonkhortisan I typed in a 1 and google gave me this ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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02:19 * Kacey wants a soft body physics game
02:21 khonkhortisan blender is horrible at that
02:24 Kacey im going to use cryengine 3
02:25 tripod naw
02:26 tripod IM going to use cry3
02:27 khonkhortisan The pictures of cry321 show the most obvious difference being light rays, light glow, and light.
02:27 mrtux Hi, how do I replace nodes in minetest?
02:27 mrtux I want to replace steel blocks with air
02:27 khonkhortisan minetest.env:add_node(pos, node)
02:27 khonkhortisan minetest.env:remove_node(pos) turns it to air
02:27 mrtux i mean in worldedit
02:27 khonkhortisan And what kind of steel block do you mean? Before it is dug, or after smelting?
02:27 mrtux sorry
02:28 khonkhortisan oh.
02:28 Kacey //set air
02:28 mrtux ok thanks
02:28 mrtux worked
02:28 khonkhortisan "//replace stone_with_iron air" or "//replace steel_block air"
02:28 khonkhortisan if you had more than that selected
02:29 khonkhortisan also, //fixlight if it goes bad.
02:29 mrtux thank you khonkhortisan and Kacey
02:29 khonkhortisan you're welcome
02:29 khonkhortisan Kacey you're welcome
02:29 Kacey ?
02:29 tripod mrtux you play xonotic? or a different mrtux
02:29 khonkhortisan can't do a /you, only /me
02:30 mrtux tripod, no.
02:30 tripod okay
02:30 tripod good.
02:30 khonkhortisan I'm bad at xonotic
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02:31 * Kacey has the best mod idea
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02:37 khonkhortisan minetest/minetest_game seems really slow to pull from
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02:41 NekoGloop|Laptop Hai
02:41 khonkhortisan haiy'lo
02:41 Kacey no
02:43 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArM7sQJz0-Y
02:50 Kacey hahaha
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02:52 Kacey aaw
02:53 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZODOCqNocA
02:54 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/Olge3or.jpg
02:55 hmmmm woo
02:56 Kacey lol i wish i could just make a mod like that...
02:56 khonkhortisan portal? stargate? teleporter?
02:56 RealBadAngel it is stargate
02:56 RealBadAngel with animated event horizon
02:56 khonkhortisan I didn't see the symbols on it, I thought it could be something else
02:57 khonkhortisan I take it you didn't add those tic-tac-toe lines yourself.
02:58 khonkhortisan are those beer trees? :)
02:58 hmmmm i don't suppose we can get jaffa mobs
02:59 hmmmm really bad angel, the facedir stuff
02:59 * khonkhortisan listens to the coming conversation
03:00 RealBadAngel what about it?
03:00 hmmmm where is that again?
03:00 hmmmm there is no pull request for it and i couldn't find it
03:00 khonkhortisan http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4807
03:01 hmmmm forum post
03:01 khonkhortisan and fork
03:01 RealBadAngel it on my github, but i want it to come with a little more features that are not finished yet
03:01 RealBadAngel per box textures and also animated ones
03:02 hmmmm ok
03:02 RealBadAngel i think whole update will be ready by weekend
03:02 khonkhortisan how do I search commits on github?
03:02 hmmmm great
03:02 RealBadAngel you can merge by now get_all_craft_recipes
03:03 RealBadAngel since 0.4.5 is out
03:03 hmmmm yea
03:03 hmmmm well i can't just merge it
03:03 hmmmm i have to manually do all that
03:03 RealBadAngel ah, split?
03:03 hmmmm yeah the split
03:03 hmmmm it's not like it's too bad though
03:03 hmmmm this screwed up a lot of peoples' patches
03:04 RealBadAngel btw seen this mega patch with dozens of features
03:04 hmmmm yeah
03:04 hmmmm that is not being merged like that
03:04 RealBadAngel i noticed enchant and smoke craft methods
03:05 RealBadAngel imho something else shall be done, just allow register new craft type
03:05 hmmmm enchanting, no idea about that, but it's something that should strictly be done in lua
03:05 hmmmm can be made into a mod
03:05 hmmmm yeah i guess i should take an actual look at it
03:06 RealBadAngel better add possibility to register new ones
03:06 hmmmm obviously
03:07 RealBadAngel this can unify ways of adding new machines/crafters or whatever
03:07 ShadowNinja New cloud menu background: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/compare/menu_clouds Screenshot: http://ubuntuone.com/2AR2XT7php7PtTpZ29PICm
03:08 * VanessaE peeks in
03:08 hmmmm shadowninja, just the guy
03:08 hmmmm https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commits/master
03:08 hmmmm so that's what i ended up doing
03:09 hmmmm and unescapeString(), really, is generic enough to be moved to util/string.cpp
03:09 hmmmm string.h even, it's small enough to make a good candidate for inlining
03:09 hmmmm https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/54148290c81c13a1df4076a5af78dc2d321647fe specifically
03:10 ShadowNinja nice
03:10 hmmmm but
03:10 ShadowNinja so \[ works?
03:10 hmmmm i need you to test if that's actually what you want
03:10 hmmmm in theory, yes
03:11 hmmmm i can't really test it because i don't know how to use formspec.  i tried modifying the formspec strings slightly for a couple builtin things but they seemed to have no effect at all
03:11 ShadowNinja you forgot to change minetest.escape_formspec()
03:11 hmmmm ah yeah i did
03:13 ShadowNinja btw do you like the cloud background?
03:14 ShadowNinja it can be disabled do you can still use the menubackground branch
03:14 hmmmm i do actually
03:14 hmmmm i need to take a closer look at that
03:14 hmmmm hopefully after this flood of merges i can get back to working on my own stuff
03:14 ShadowNinja you can probably optimize it
03:14 hmmmm yeah
03:14 hmmmm did you take the cloud code from clouds.cpp?
03:15 hmmmm ah yes good
03:15 ShadowNinja I used krisi's code, so yes
03:15 hmmmm krisi?
03:15 VanessaE cloud background?  How does this affect texture packs that supply menulogo.png?
03:15 ShadowNinja you can disable it
03:16 hmmmm it uses menulogo-small.png
03:16 hmmmm so it would ignore the texture pack's logo
03:16 VanessaE :(
03:17 ShadowNinja yes, for the bottom in the main window with it disabled and for the credits
03:17 ShadowNinja it can be renamed of course
03:17 hmmmm if you were to use regular menulogo it probably would look really bad because it needs transparency
03:17 VanessaE well then I hope I can override menulogo-small.png or something then
03:17 ShadowNinja yes, you can
03:18 ShadowNinja and the big one
03:18 VanessaE hmmmm:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2003052013%20-%2010:18:02%20PM.png
03:18 VanessaE HDX with a custom menulogo.png
03:19 ShadowNinja that will still work
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03:19 VanessaE oh, good
03:19 hmmmm wwwwwwoooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwww lame
03:20 hmmmm you should've made the logo bigger if you wanted it to look good and not non-pixelated
03:20 VanessaE hmmmm: you can't.
03:20 VanessaE it gets scaled up by 4x by the engine.
03:20 hmmmm what?  why not
03:20 hmmmm welp
03:20 ShadowNinja maybe I should have the old menulogo and menusplash or something
03:20 VanessaE which sucks rocks
03:20 hmmmm that needs to be fixed
03:20 VanessaE agreed
03:20 hmmmm low priority though
03:21 VanessaE I have a beautiful high-rez version of that logo just waiting for such a fix.
03:21 VanessaE ShadowNinja: +1
03:21 VanessaE menusplash.png
03:21 ShadowNinja should it show up with the old tiled background?
03:22 VanessaE if menusplash.png is provided, it should override menubg.png and be scaled to fit the window size
03:22 VanessaE or,
03:22 VanessaE it should be made possible for menubg.png to just fill the window if the provided image is large enough
03:23 VanessaE this might be easier and perhaps more logical than adding another image overlaty
03:23 VanessaE overlay*
03:23 ShadowNinja no, that would look terrible
03:23 VanessaE if the provided image is large enough - e.g. if it'x bigger than, say, 256px
03:23 ShadowNinja having a huge MINETEST logo?
03:23 hmmmm perhaps you want a blank menusplash and just a menubg.png with your text
03:23 ShadowNinja ^
03:24 VanessaE that might work too
03:24 VanessaE ok, so menubg.png shows through wherever menusplash.png is transparent.
03:24 ShadowNinja yes
03:24 VanessaE and then menulogo.png layered atop that
03:26 VanessaE I like this idea actually.
03:26 ShadowNinja menulogo would be on the bottom, splash on the top
03:26 VanessaE right
03:28 VanessaE as long as it's 100% backward-compatible, I'm happy :D
03:29 ShadowNinja it should, the only difference will be that you will have the splash on old texture packs
03:34 ShadowNinja How it looks with clouds off now: http://ubuntuone.com/3pesXmpq9rFBYOEMa7Q3wo
03:34 VanessaE works for me
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03:39 ShadowNinja It seems like there are two copies of the same code here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1523 and line 1557, changing the second one works but why are there two?
03:40 khonkhortisan probably the stuff in between is important
03:43 ShadowNinja seems to just draw something while it waits for other menus to close
03:50 hmmmm ahh
03:50 hmmmm in Lua, do you need to escape a backslash in a string?
03:50 hmmmm "\\" is actually \
03:50 hmmmm i didn't think lua would've needed that
03:52 ShadowNinja hmmm: I think you do, \( just gave me (
03:52 ShadowNinja VanessaE: I think I fixed your menulogo issue
03:53 VanessaE the scaling issue?
03:53 ShadowNinja yes
03:53 VanessaE sweet
03:54 ShadowNinja screenshot in a sec...
03:55 ShadowNinja http://ubuntuone.com/5EXeOWQAvKQiaduNluvOQ9
03:57 VanessaE er..  a bit hard to tell from that shot but I'll take yer word for it :)
03:58 ShadowNinja maybe I should have chosen an image that wasn't pixelated-looking :-)
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03:59 VanessaE yep :)
03:59 VanessaE but that's okay
04:00 hmmmm ShadowNinja:  https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/04171501f470657786dfcaa81155427d38594d29
04:00 hmmmm care to test that out?
04:00 hmmmm if it works, i'll squash it all and merge it
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04:02 ShadowNinja should I draw the menulogo when clouds are enabled?
04:02 ShadowNinja hmmmm: nice, tested?
04:02 hmmmm no it's not tested, i need you to test it
04:02 hmmmm since i don't know how to test it
04:07 ShadowNinja compiling...
04:09 hmmmm you should make a forum topic asking people how they like the cloud menu
04:09 hmmmm or maybe we'll keep it on as default until too many people bitch about it
04:10 ShadowNinja spawning could be tweaked, I spawned 1000 nodes away from 0,0 and fell and took damage
04:11 hmmmm one of these days i'm going to find the problem with that and fix it once and for all
04:11 hmmmm that's not real damage though, if you log out and back in it'll be back to full health
04:12 hmmmm anyway is the formspec escape thing working as desired?
04:12 ShadowNinja no, fall damage, it is real
04:12 ShadowNinja one sec...
04:13 ShadowNinja yes
04:15 hmmmm alright so i can squash those all together
04:16 ShadowNinja you can also escape , and ; correct?
04:16 hmmmm yes
04:16 hmmmm you *could*, but you'd need to modify the lua escape function
04:17 hmmmm every character, in theory, should work.
04:17 ShadowNinja well add those while you're at it
04:18 ShadowNinja back to the cloud background, should the menulogo always be displayed?
04:18 ShadowNinja VanessaE: ^
04:20 * VanessaE scrolls
04:20 VanessaE um
04:20 VanessaE hm
04:20 VanessaE good question
04:21 VanessaE maybe if the default menu logo looks good against the clouds, why not?
04:21 ShadowNinja that has to be edited btw, the -c55 removed
04:21 VanessaE yes
04:22 VanessaE I was beginning to wonder about that
04:25 khonkhortisan I'll have one commit/pull request each for four different repos.
04:26 ShadowNinja should the menulogo resize based on window size?
04:27 VanessaE yes
04:27 VanessaE to a degree
04:27 hmmmm alright well you get that ironed out and i'll come back to it
04:27 VanessaE since the menu doesn't change size
04:27 hmmmm now for RBA's things
04:27 VanessaE maybe have the logo resize in steps, e.g. 1x, 2x, 3x...
04:28 VanessaE actually strike that
04:28 VanessaE just scale it smoothly
04:29 VanessaE at least bicubic if not lanczos.
04:29 ShadowNinja should it be by height or width?
04:31 ShadowNinja maybe I can do both...
04:32 VanessaE keep it aspect-correct, scale according to the largest of the height or width
04:32 VanessaE that way all that'll happen is some portions may end up off-screen if the image is not sized properly.
04:32 VanessaE er, *smallest* of height or width I mean
04:33 VanessaE you get the point
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04:34 hmmmm RealBadAngel, you fully tested your craft stuff, right?
04:34 hmmmm it's completely good to go?
04:34 hmmmm i'm trusting you that it works...
04:35 VanessaE he's probably in bed by now
04:35 hmmmm or up very early.... isn't poland like +7 hours?
04:35 VanessaE GMT +2 or so I think
04:35 VanessaE so yeah, +6 or 7 hours from here
04:36 NekoGloop|Laptop It's incorrect time, couldn't care less what it is.
04:36 NekoGloop|Laptop EST is Eastern *STANDARD* Time, dammit.
04:37 VanessaE heh
04:37 VanessaE ok fine, EDT then
04:37 hmmmm what's the status with the clouds thing
04:37 VanessaE whichever it is now
04:37 sokomine nice wheel done by vanessa:
04:37 sokomine http://www.zimg.eu/i/912705734
04:37 hmmmm still using 0.4.4-d1?
04:37 hmmmm for shame
04:38 VanessaE yeah really, 0.4.5 is out :)
04:38 ShadowNinja VanessaE: by smallest to you mean of the screensize, the image size or both?
04:38 ShadowNinja *do
04:38 VanessaE hmmmm: question...  isn't there some way we can get a(n abbreviated) git commit hash appended to the displayed version number?
04:39 hmmmm umm..
04:39 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I mean of the window size
04:39 ShadowNinja And what about the image size?
04:39 hmmmm i don't think we can unless you like running cmake every time you go to compile a new version
04:40 VanessaE actually I do that anyway
04:40 hmmmm yea the rest of the world doesn't
04:40 hmmmm sorry
04:40 sokomine actually right now i'm even using ...ah...it's d1 already...version modified by pilzadam for a flat world. working on blueprints in a normal world is rather annoying
04:40 VanessaE ShadowNinja: keep the aspect of the image; if the window shrinks by 10% in height, shrink the image height and width by 10%, etc.
04:40 hmmmm what's wrong with mg_params = flat?
04:40 hmmmm mg_flags rather
04:40 khonkhortisan How do I remove *all* local commits?
04:41 VanessaE hmmmm: the makefile can't go a quick git log and extract the current commit hash at build time?
04:41 khonkhortisan I have five, when I only need one, which I can recover from a .patch.
04:41 ShadowNinja I mean should I use the image width or height in scaling?
04:41 sokomine it wasn't available in -d1 to my knowledge? it seems quite new. read about it on the forum today
04:41 hmmmm i believe git fetch and then git reset fetch_head
04:41 hmmmm vanessa, now that you say so, it probably can.... but i have no idea how to do that
04:41 VanessaE ShadowNinja: um..
04:41 khonkhortisan what's fetch_head?
04:41 hmmmm sokomine, it's been in there for about a month
04:42 VanessaE hmmmm: I do this:  commit=`git log |grep commit|head -n 1 |cut -b 8-15`
04:42 hmmmm khon, don't mind me, i have no idea what i'm talking about
04:42 VanessaE when I build the server, my script does this to get the commit hash, abbreviates it, and plugs it into the motd
04:42 hmmmm it's FETCH_HEAD though, not fetch_head (if you are going to try that)
04:42 ShadowNinja I want a low-res image to work as well as a high-res one
04:43 VanessaE ShadowNinja: well, let's do this then:  just scale the width of the image to match the window width, scale the height by the same factor.
04:44 sokomine that's good to know! can the trees be eliminiated as well?
04:44 ShadowNinja That is what I was doing
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04:44 khonkhortisan ooh, "git reset --hard origin/master" does it (and is dangerous!)
04:44 VanessaE ShadowNinja: then let's just keep doing that.
04:45 hmmmm ah
04:45 hmmmm origin/master -> FETCH_HEAD iirc
04:45 hmmmm so basically the same thing
04:45 hmmmm sokomine, yes
04:45 khonkhortisan It didn't even replay my commits at the end, like git pull -rebase always does.
04:45 hmmmm you see with the mg_flags setting, the default is "trees, caves, v6_biome_blend"
04:46 khonkhortisan Someone asking about flatness again?
04:46 hmmmm if you remove trees then it'd make land without any trees, if you omit caves it'll generate without caves, without v6_biome_blend it'll get rid of the gross desert/grass blending
04:46 hmmmm add flat, it'll make land height constant
04:46 khonkhortisan oh, trees. Moretrees doesn't respect mg_flags yet.
04:46 hmmmm so if you make mg_flags = flat, it'll have no trees, no caves, no biome blending, and completely flat terrain
04:47 hmmmm i guess not... i wouldn't expect a mod to do that.
04:47 khonkhortisan completely flat + cactus + dry_shrub + junglegrass
04:47 khonkhortisan + biomes
04:47 hmmmm i don't really have control over what goes on in lualand
04:47 hmmmm if you want to remove desert completely you can do that too
04:48 ShadowNinja do these both look ok? http://ubuntuone.com/5AsoqVpdCJZUVtrrZrxbjr and http://ubuntuone.com/1H2nJoSi4johDDimKWeDf7
04:48 hmmmm set mgv6_freq_beach to -1
04:48 VanessaE ShadowNinja: looks fine to me
04:48 khonkhortisan I made the mistake of adding diagonal rails right over the top of connect_to_raillike, now I have to make it mergeable.
04:48 VanessaE ShadowNinja: except:
04:49 hmmmm err
04:49 hmmmm sorry
04:49 VanessaE one of the the two "minetest" logos should be something else, e.g. a small image like that little one to the right of "minetest-c55"
04:49 hmmmm mgv6_freq_desert = 1
04:49 VanessaE e.g. don't display "minetest" twice
04:49 sokomine hah! finally defeat the caves! that sounds great! guess i'll soon compile a new version :-)
04:49 hmmmm actually make it 5
04:49 khonkhortisan I see "minetest" thrice.
04:50 khonkhortisan No, five times.
04:50 NekoGloop|Laptop We could has kitteh.
04:50 khonkhortisan title, top-left, top, world, bottom.
04:50 khonkhortisan it has minetest written all over it
04:50 hmmmm you might forget that you're playing minetest
04:50 VanessaE well the identifier at the top left, should be ditched.
04:50 sokomine no, flat land is fine enough. the rest is less problematic
04:50 VanessaE at least in the menu
04:50 VanessaE we already have a graphical logo for it
04:51 VanessaE put the version number into the title bar.
04:51 NekoGloop|Laptop The only thing I've hated so far about windows 8 is WHY THE FUCK IS IT TAKING SO LONG TO DOWNLOAD JAPANESE CHARACTER SUPPORT.
04:52 khonkhortisan it's not just a .ttf?
04:52 VanessaE khonkhortisan: it's windows, remember?
04:52 VanessaE everything is overthought.
04:52 khonkhortisan Except who disabled the task manager.
04:52 khonkhortisan Admin is always blamed.
04:53 NekoGloop|Laptop Actually it might be. Just it has its own little download manager thingy so I'll never know.
04:53 NekoGloop|Laptop er, nvm.
04:53 NekoGloop|Laptop For some reason i thought he meant a patch file, not a font file.
04:54 ShadowNinja just the logo doesn't look right, anything I could wright there?
04:56 MinetestBot GIT:  commited to minetest/minetest: fix link if system json lib exists dd8593f2d6 2013-03-05T20:54:07-08:00 http://git.io/rkPk3A
04:56 VanessaE ShadowNinja: why not a small banner-sized strip from an in-game screenshot?
04:56 ShadowNinja nice commit ""!
04:57 VanessaE say from my server or redcrab's or anyone elses, where there's lots of stuff already built up
04:57 VanessaE else's
04:57 VanessaE and put the regular minetest logo next to the upper "MINETEST" image.
04:57 VanessaE (the splash)
04:58 ShadowNinja what do you mean?, add a watermark to the game?
04:58 VanessaE naw
04:58 ShadowNinja And should I remove the logo background?
04:58 VanessaE where you wrote "minetest" at the top, the menusplash image, stick the standard minetest logo right next to it.  At the bottom, menulogo would be a short, wide strip cropped from an in-game screeshot.
04:59 VanessaE need a mockup?
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04:59 ShadowNinja I think I got the splash part but maybe for the logo
04:59 VanessaE hold
05:00 * ShadowNinja steels PilzAdam's avatar
05:02 hmmmm also plizadam and thexyz haven't been around for a while... wonder what happened to them
05:02 hmmmm they don't commit stuff anymore
05:02 NekoGloop|Laptop They're taking a vacation
05:03 hmmmm hmm
05:03 hmmmm alright so what i think i'm going to do first is the dungeon code separation thing
05:03 hmmmm i dunno... celeron wasn't satisfied with the dungeons apparently but i certainly was and most others were too
05:04 hmmmm i'm bringing it back, except randomly in rooms there'll be a chest spawned with some loot
05:04 hmmmm and i'll have torches every so often
05:05 VanessaE damn it
05:05 hmmmm i wonder how i'm going to set node metadata with voxelmanipulator
05:06 hmmmm i'm probably going to have to make a node metadata queue to do after emerge and blit back to the map
05:09 VanessaE as for Pilzadam, he's been around
05:10 VanessaE mostly early in the day
05:10 VanessaE dunno why he isn't committing much
05:10 VanessaE ditto for thexyz.  he's been around off and on too.
05:16 khonkhortisan waah! Somebody broke my rails!
05:16 VanessaE well I have that mock-up ready for shadowninja to look at when he shows up.
05:16 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/mockup-1.png
05:19 khonkhortisan oh. It was me :)
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05:56 VanessaE zzz
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06:07 MiJyn bye all
06:23 khonkhortisan Can I make a spoiler button on github? I want to give people the option to hide an animated gif.
06:23 VanessaE put the gif behind a clickable link to ompldr or so?
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06:50 khonkhortisan okay
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08:13 celeron55 > http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2003052013%20-%2010:18:02%20PM.png
08:13 celeron55 what the flying fuck?
08:13 celeron55 don't ever use that
08:13 celeron55 or any variation of it
08:14 celeron55 ShadowNinja's clouds and the simple pixelly "minetest" on top are fine-ish
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09:32 TForsman proller: good morning
09:32 proller good
09:33 TForsman proller: when you build minetest yesterday in ubuntu, did you build it system wide or build it to "run in place" ?
09:34 proller cmake . ; make -j4
09:34 proller without params
09:35 TForsman ok
09:35 TForsman wonder whats default though, -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 or -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
09:38 thexyz RUN_IN_PLACE=1 is default on win
09:38 thexyz in all other cases RUN_IN_PLACE=0 is default
09:38 TForsman thanks
09:55 proller cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j8 цщклы
09:55 proller works
09:56 TForsman need to make sure not to run in place
09:57 TForsman as im building minetest for Foresight repository.....
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10:01 TForsman is minetest building its own: libjthread.so for minetest?
10:02 kaeza morning all
10:04 thexyz TForsman: it depends
10:04 thexyz but when building with bundled jthread it should link statically
10:04 thexyz at least that's what it does for me
10:06 TForsman how about json now? used to work to have: libjson.so and now it renamed to: libjsoncpp.so and minetest needs to install that in /usr/lib64/libjsoncpp.so   shouldent it be also building with bundled json-c package?
10:06 thexyz everything is linked statically
10:06 thexyz everything bundled
10:08 TForsman i just built minetest again, even updated cmake to 2.8.10.2 to make sure two different cmake fails.....
10:08 TForsman building minetest works fine, but it never installs libjsoncpp.so
10:08 TForsman minetest
10:08 TForsman minetest: error while loading shared libraries: libjsoncpp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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10:09 TForsman can see libjsoncpp.so in: minetest/minetest-master/src/json/ folder though
10:09 TForsman so seems it builds it fine, but nothing tells it to get it installed wide-system
10:10 thexyz apparently, you have BUILD_SHARED_LIBS set to true
10:10 thexyz by default (when BUILD_SHARED_LIBS is not present) cmake builds static libraries
10:12 TForsman like: -DBUILD_SHARED_LIBS:BOOL=ON  ?
10:13 TForsman or: -DBUILD_SHARED_LIBS=ON  ?
10:13 TForsman if someone knows....
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10:16 TForsman testing again, see if it makes any difference
10:17 thexyz yes, you should have this one set to off
10:18 thexyz by default it doesn't set
10:19 TForsman ahh, off right
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10:21 TForsman if minetest is building it's own libjthread.so, then it might need to be renamed. if someone already has jthread installed in their linux system and installs minetest from package manager, it will create a conflict right away. as jthread also provide that file
10:23 Calinou misa's pack and minecraft enhanced have been updated for moreblocks updates and 0.4.5, also added better mesecon support to misa's
10:24 TForsman someone played around too much with json and jthread :) been fine for few years until late february this year
10:28 thexyz minetest does not build .so library by default
10:28 thexyz any .so libraries
10:29 thexyz if you have BUILD_SHARED_LIBS set then you're at your own risk
10:30 TForsman ahh ok
10:30 thexyz have you managed to solve the issue yet?
10:30 TForsman just built it, installing it
10:31 TForsman thexyz: thank you, that was the issue, it's now stopped to ask about libjsoncpp.so and works to run the game
10:31 thexyz great
10:32 thexyz i wonder how've you ended with BUILD_SHARED_LIBS set to yes
10:32 TForsman for conary (package manager) it's set as default for BUILD_SHARED_LIBS to yes, as most libraries wants that.
10:33 TForsman not many packages demands to set to "no"
10:33 TForsman most packages has that as no as default from building with cmake, and need to provide "yes" instead
10:34 thexyz oh
10:35 TForsman im not building locally/manually. Building it "for making a distribution package"
10:35 thexyz i know
10:35 TForsman that's probably why I got more issues than most of the users
10:36 TForsman anyway, thanks again. Feels great to be back on track and can continue updating it without any issues, until something critical changes again :)
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11:19 jojoa1997 hi sign on 2 players with the same name(different caps spots) on windows the names become:
11:19 jojoa1997 alpha, ALPHA0, alPHa1, ALpha2
11:19 jojoa1997 how can i do that in a mod
11:20 thexyz > intllib
11:20 thexyz > only US-ASCII characters
11:20 thexyz wow, great i18n you have there
11:21 jojoa1997 what is i18n
11:21 thexyz google it
11:21 jojoa1997 also where can i find initlib
11:22 jojoa1997 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4929
11:22 jojoa1997 there?
11:25 jojoa1997 thexyz how do i make mods do what minetest does with names
11:30 thexyz no idea
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12:39 Infinity_69 hi
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12:45 kwongo Hi
12:45 kwongo Anyone here?
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12:54 Infinity_69|YT lawl
12:56 * Infinity_69 is making a new team for games, ViperForce
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13:02 Infinity_69 hi
13:05 Infinity_69 LunaVorax
13:05 Infinity_69 crap :/
13:20 Infinity_69 ping
13:20 Infinity_69 pong
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14:12 NekoGloop|Laptop sfan's builds topic has OVER 9000!!!! views.
14:14 Infinity_69 It's over 9000!
14:14 Infinity_69 xD
14:14 Infinity_69 hey Neko, how good are you at PHP?
14:14 NekoGloop|Laptop Also paramat loves messing with mapgen.
14:14 NekoGloop|Laptop Infie, i know nil about it.
14:15 Infinity_69 ok
14:15 Infinity_69 :D
14:16 Infinity_69 btw, it was my b-day last saturday
14:16 Infinity_69 :D
14:16 Infinity_69 turned 14
14:16 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts a party cap on Infie's head
14:16 * Infinity_69 colors it
14:17 * Infinity_69 sits on a chair and NekoGloop|Laptop lifts it up 13 times, then he passed out
14:17 NekoGloop|Laptop Wut?
14:18 Infinity_69 its a tradition here...
14:18 RealBadAngel hi all
14:19 Infinity_69 if a kid (less then 18 y/o) has a birthday, (s)he gets lifted up on a chair by the guests as many times as his/her age...
14:19 Infinity_69 hi
14:19 NekoGloop|Laptop I see.
14:20 Infinity_69 RBA, why doesnt the .htaccess run the .php file, it just shows the code... why?
14:20 Infinity_69 i made a 404.php file, and it just shows the code...
14:20 Infinity_69 not the site...
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14:23 Kacey hi all
14:23 Infinity_69 hi kacey
14:23 Infinity_69 RealBadAngel
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14:23 Infinity_69 [16:20] <Infinity_69> RBA, why doesnt the .htaccess run the .php file, it just shows the code... why?
14:23 RealBadAngel idk, not my area of interest
14:24 Infinity_69 oh ok
14:24 Infinity_69 got it to work :D
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14:31 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix Irrlicht includes in scriptapi_* b3e7d15bd6 2013-03-06T06:31:06-08:00 http://git.io/HmJrNA
14:37 Infinity_69 bye yall
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14:41 RealBadAngel looks like i do have all the necesary gfx/sfx and nodes definitions for Stargate thingy
14:42 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: pressing next in latest UI just flashes the next page for a second
14:43 RealBadAngel new features new bugs, shit
14:43 RealBadAngel i will take care of it later today
14:44 RealBadAngel got already on list 2 technic bugs and 1 UI
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14:45 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, have you seen stargate screenshots?
14:45 jojoa1997 Real bad angel picks please
14:45 ShadowNinja as in the tv show?
14:46 tripod SG1 pretty kick ass
14:46 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/Olge3or.jpg
14:46 ShadowNinja What do you think of this: http://ubuntuone.com/2AR2XT7php7PtTpZ29PICm
14:46 RealBadAngel seen it, its great
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14:46 jojoa1997 Is that a mod
14:46 ShadowNinja yes, I have seen the show
14:46 ShadowNinja you should use nodeboxes
14:47 RealBadAngel those are nodeboxes
14:47 RealBadAngel and event horizon is animated
14:47 ShadowNinja that is one flay nodebox
14:47 ShadowNinja *flat
14:48 RealBadAngel no
14:48 RealBadAngel this is 3x3 nodebox
14:48 RealBadAngel flat, yes
14:48 ShadowNinja yes, but I mean make it 3d
14:48 RealBadAngel no way with animations
14:48 jojoa1997 What is stargate
14:49 ShadowNinja 3d vs animated
14:49 ShadowNinja a tv show
14:49 ShadowNinja stargate is basicaly a big teleporter
14:49 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvlRzQAt5xk
14:49 RealBadAngel this is stargate
14:50 * Diego puts a kitten on NekoGloop|Laptop's head
14:50 Diego whoops
14:50 RealBadAngel 10 seasons of Stargate Sg-1, 5 seasons of Stargate Atlantis and 2 seasons of Stargate Universe
14:50 ShadowNinja have you looked at that?
14:50 NekoGloop|Laptop Mrowr.
14:50 Diego stupid hexchat
14:50 RealBadAngel on of the most popular SF shows ever
14:50 RealBadAngel *one
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14:52 RealBadAngel and youtube link is a fanmade video showing them all
14:52 RealBadAngel and rocks
14:52 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: http://ubuntuone.com/2AR2XT7php7PtTpZ29PICm
14:53 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, told ya already, nice work. i like it
14:53 ShadowNinja oh, sorry, didn't see it
14:53 ShadowNinja and thanks
14:53 RealBadAngel <ShadowNinja> What do you think of this: http://ubuntuone.com/2AR2XT7php7PtTpZ29PICm
14:53 RealBadAngel <RealBadAngel> seen it, its great
14:54 * ShadowNinja gets glasses
14:54 RealBadAngel lol
14:55 RealBadAngel i want to release preview of stargate mod today
14:55 RealBadAngel this is lookin fuckin awesome
14:56 RealBadAngel i spent 2 evenings to cut with gimp each frame of animation to be it 3x3 big
14:56 ShadowNinja Can anyone help me get the scaling for the top menusplash right?
14:57 ShadowNinja lol
14:57 RealBadAngel it is something wrong with the scaling
14:58 RealBadAngel take a look at my background for formspecs path
14:58 RealBadAngel i use ther images with proper scaling
14:58 ShadowNinja now it doesn't scale with the window and all I try either doen't show up or causes a floating-fount exception
14:59 ShadowNinja ok
15:00 * ShadowNinja clicks next repeatedly
15:00 RealBadAngel ok, im off to eat something, make stargate's spawn code and then take a nap
15:01 RealBadAngel i will fix all reported bugs later today
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15:04 ShadowNinja I don't think that will work, can anyone else help?
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15:12 Infinity_69 hi
15:12 Infinity_69 im back
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15:13 NekoGloop|Laptop Instant Message Back?
15:14 kaeza lol
15:14 VanessaE celeron55: it's a mock-up to explain what I was talking about, not a proposed finished product.
15:15 Infinity_69 hi VanessaE
15:15 Infinity_69 i need an expert in licenses
15:15 Infinity_69 what is the best license for a commercial game?
15:16 ShadowNinja VanessaE: do you have that mockup?
15:17 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/mockup-1.png
15:18 ShadowNinja I see, however I have to get the splash to scale properly
15:18 Infinity_69 0.4.5?
15:18 Infinity_69 WTF
15:18 Infinity_69 What The F@!K!
15:20 VanessaE right
15:20 VanessaE Infinity_69: yep, marked as 0.4.5 day before yesterday
15:21 ShadowNinja VanessaE: do 90% of people time out on your server too?
15:21 ShadowNinja I don't have too many mods
15:22 VanessaE ShadowNinja: many people do the first time they connect, I dunno why that actually happens
15:22 Infinity_69 omg!
15:22 Infinity_69 :D
15:22 VanessaE otherwise usually they only time out if the client crashes
15:22 Infinity_69 players = 3D/2D
15:22 ShadowNinja well everyone seems to time out in about 10 seconds
15:22 ShadowNinja first login only
15:23 VanessaE my guess is the data being sent to the client is drowning out some kind of keepalive/ping that's going on at the same time.
15:23 ShadowNinja and that progress meter has to be added to the freetype build
15:23 Infinity_69 who has Xubuntu 12.04
15:24 VanessaE I have.
15:24 Infinity_69 rly?
15:24 Infinity_69 please compile 0.4.4 for me :)
15:24 Infinity_69 i mean 0,4,5
15:24 ShadowNinja why can't you do it?
15:24 Infinity_69 he wont install cMake
15:24 Infinity_69 idk the sudo pw
15:24 Infinity_69 -.-
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15:25 ShadowNinja why do commandblock teleporters only work half or the time?
15:26 VanessaE Infinity_69: if you can't compile, use the daily builds ppa
15:27 VanessaE "the sudo password" would normally be the same password you log in with
15:30 ShadowNinja if you are in the sudoers file
15:30 VanessaE yes
15:30 NakedFury http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaLOASx7Lrc
15:30 NakedFury i wish for that in minetest
15:30 NakedFury instead of minecarts
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15:40 ShadowNinja This junps beetween sizes, anyone know how to make it smoth? logosize *= screensize.Width/logotexture->getOriginalSize().Width;
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15:48 VanessaE afternoon, adam
15:49 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
15:54 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=74174#p74174
15:54 thexyz khonkhortisan: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/528/files#L0R118 why is neighborRail a class and not a struct?
15:54 PilzAdam spam
15:54 thexyz PilzAdam: deleted
15:54 VanessaE ninja'd
15:55 ShadowNinja VanessaE: I decided to forget the dynamic scaling, how wide do you think the menulogo should be
15:55 VanessaE ShadowNinja: either scale it or don't include it.
15:55 VanessaE there's no in-between here,
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15:56 ShadowNinja I mean it won't resize to window size but hd logos will work
15:56 VanessaE it needs to resize.
15:57 VanessaE you can't guarantee at all how big a given user's screen is
15:57 VanessaE what works in the 800x600 default window may not work properly on a 1280x1024 full screen display, or something like a 1920x1080 HD screen
15:57 ShadowNinja well give me some code that works and I will add it, but I have already spent enough time on this
15:57 ShadowNinja the main menu is also static
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16:16 ShadowNinja Looks just about right now, screenshots coming
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16:22 ShadowNinja What do you think? http://ubuntuone.com/5AsoqVpdCJZUVtrrZrxbjr http://ubuntuone.com/1H2nJoSi4johDDimKWeDf7 http://ubuntuone.com/5fWggn9YAr5O1mZj6ezOps http://ubuntuone.com/5BusWh4zwLnASHCGDKm08n
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16:23 Infinity_69 hi
16:23 Infinity_69 VanessaE
16:23 Infinity_69 r u there?
16:24 VanessaE ShadowNinja: looks good
16:24 VanessaE Infinity_69: yes?
16:24 Infinity_69 where are the 0.4.5 changelogs?
16:24 VanessaE http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
16:24 PilzAdam Infinity_69, are you "Ragnar" in the forums=
16:24 PilzAdam *?
16:25 ShadowNinja should I draw the menulogo background? I think it would be better if I didn't
16:25 Infinity_69 PilzAdam, yes :)
16:25 VanessaE ShadowNinja: no, let the menulogo be as transparent as needed.
16:25 VanessaE (of course, you'll want to adjust the colors of the old one to fit well against the clouds/sky picture)
16:26 PilzAdam Infinity_69, you requested Estonian language, you can translate it here: http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/
16:26 Infinity_69 thanks
16:26 Infinity_69 now, what do i translate actually?
16:26 Infinity_69 can you make a pic?
16:26 Infinity_69 and make an underline what to translate
16:27 Infinity_69 wait...
16:27 Infinity_69 the grey box after Source
16:27 Infinity_69 ?
16:28 PilzAdam 1) create an account 2) click on "Estonian" 3) Click on "Untranslated strings" 4) translate
16:28 Infinity_69 ok :)
16:29 * Calinou watches Infinity_69 translating as he puts bad words in the translation
16:30 Infinity_69 omg, im 14!
16:30 Infinity_69 im not a li'l kid anymore!
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16:30 Infinity_69 im a young adult
16:30 VanessaE Calinou: a week later, backlash from the Estonian community.
16:30 VanessaE Infinity_69: 14 is still a child.
16:30 VanessaE sorry.
16:31 Infinity_69 yeah, from the outside, but im not a child from the inside o.o
16:32 * Calinou has 3 worlds: "test_world", "world", "only_chuck_norris_can_do_this"
16:32 Calinou third one was for making a screenshot of something that prevents fall damage :P
16:32 * PilzAdam has "Mapgen", "Mobs", "Master", "Test", and "Mine"
16:33 markveidemanis Hi
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16:33 VanessaE Infinity_69: Not to insult, but you outwardly display the maturity, language skills, and general demeanor of a child of 14.  You have some distance to go before you could rightfully consider yourself an adult.
16:33 * ShadowNinja thought up a new type of chat spamming
16:34 VanessaE worlds on my install are a couple of testing worlds, a few maps downloaded during the last mesecons competition, and my server world.  Nothing really special there.
16:34 Infinity_69 -.-
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16:36 markveidemanis !up minetest.org
16:36 markveidemanis Hi Minetest-tan
16:36 markveidemanis No?
16:37 Infinity_69 VanessaE, what is used more: Map or World...
16:37 Infinity_69 i mean in MT
16:37 markveidemanis Map
16:37 Infinity_69 didnt ask you o.o
16:37 PilzAdam use World
16:37 markveidemanis then World
16:37 Infinity_69 ok
16:37 VanessaE they're used roughly interchangeably, but if you want to be specific, "world" should refer to the files on disk, and "map" really should refer to a PNG overview image of it
16:37 Infinity_69 ok
16:38 Infinity_69 that makes sense
16:38 ShadowNinja VanessaE: how about menusplash, menufooter, and logo(for the credits tab)
16:38 markveidemanis i just do random
16:38 Infinity_69 whats the Menusplash?
16:38 markveidemanis who here knows TKinter
16:38 Infinity_69 like in MineCraft?
16:38 Infinity_69 ....!
16:38 Infinity_69 :D
16:38 Infinity_69 party();
16:38 Infinity_69 .party();
16:38 VanessaE ShadowNinja: sounds good to me.
16:38 Infinity_69 xD
16:38 Infinity_69 12345 is a bad password!
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16:39 VanessaE that's putting it mildly.
16:39 VanessaE a password should be a random string of letters, numbers, and if possible symbols like @^&$.  Perhaps arranged in an easy-to-remember order
16:39 Infinity_69 VanessaE, PilzAdam, will i be credited somewhere when done translating?
16:39 VanessaE and shoul dnever, EVER be based on a dictionary word.
16:40 PilzAdam Infinity_69, yes, in the git history and probably in the changelog
16:40 Infinity_69 yay :)
16:40 VanessaE I would assume so, in the form of your commit being "Authored by Infinity_69" or whatever
16:40 Infinity_69 :D
16:42 iqualfragile pwgen -nys 32
16:42 iqualfragile (at least thats how i create my passwords
16:42 iqualfragile here, take some:
16:42 iqualfragile $1liDn@t?1=Uqc$!L<$2n:eRyQ5I~KM= 7\Ag"l?^!WTNB/eaNK+_D{7vT;7(4>)/ 4X~cAI#I<E<28?_hFa^3xXJ9Zqh9zVo/ f6RE$;X>T|a"hiAo6JL=@aYu~r{DU`qT
16:42 markveidemanis SPAM
16:42 iqualfragile PASSWORDS
16:42 VanessaE that is not spam.
16:43 markveidemanis that is ^
16:43 VanessaE hell that isn't even flooding
16:43 VanessaE that's just gibberish :)
16:43 markveidemanis can i have a go?
16:43 Infinity_69 i have a GREAT PW
16:43 markveidemanis :D
16:43 Infinity_69 ca#c##b#####
16:43 VanessaE Infinity_69: "password1"?
16:43 VanessaE :)
16:43 Infinity_69 every # is a number
16:43 Infinity_69 not gonna tell what number
16:43 iqualfragile Infinity_69: NEVER EVER publish any hints
16:43 VanessaE all of my passwords are generated by mashing the keyboard :D
16:43 Infinity_69 :)
16:43 Infinity_69 lawl
16:44 VanessaE Infinity_69: change your password.  you've just compromised yourself.
16:44 Infinity_69 mine was sent to me from SacredSeasons
16:44 markveidemanis 6-9-6-9-6-9 ?
16:44 iqualfragile just do it now
16:44 Infinity_69 nope
16:44 Infinity_69 mark, nope...
16:44 Infinity_69 [19:34] <Infinity_69> mine was sent to me from SacredSeasons 2*
16:44 iqualfragile otherwise i will calulate how many minutes it would take to break that one
16:44 Infinity_69 omg...
16:44 VanessaE Infinity_69: this channel is publicly logged.  your account is now compromised.
16:45 Infinity_69 i have it on so many places...
16:45 * VanessaE signs into Infinity_69's SacredSeasons account..
16:45 iqualfragile thefuck?
16:45 iqualfragile never use a password twice
16:45 Infinity_69 gMail, iTunes, FreeNode etc...
16:45 Infinity_69 o.o
16:45 VanessaE wtf? Vampires?  My Little Ponies?
16:45 Infinity_69 MLP?
16:45 sfan5 ponies?
16:45 Infinity_69 iDaFaQ
16:45 Infinity_69 hi sfan5
16:45 Infinity_69 im translating MineTest into Estonian
16:46 VanessaE Infinity_69: I am not kidding.  go change your password.  NOW.
16:46 Infinity_69 ok :D
16:46 VanessaE and change it to something different on every other site.
16:46 Infinity_69 how do i change it here?
16:46 iqualfragile 100000000 posibilites is not that much
16:46 Infinity_69 o.o
16:46 iqualfragile on freenode?
16:47 iqualfragile https://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass
16:47 VanessaE now that we know the format of your password, 100M possibilities could be blown through in a matter of a few minutes of concentrated effort
16:47 Infinity_69 charlie sierra mike 8 QUEBEC 5 9 2 ECHO 7 KILO 4 VICTOR NOVEMBER 8
16:47 Infinity_69 :D
16:47 Infinity_69 my new pw...
16:47 sfan5 sure,sure
16:48 Infinity_69 csm8Q592E7K4VN8
16:48 Infinity_69 xD
16:48 Infinity_69 o.o
16:48 VanessaE we are NOT kidding about this, Infinity_69
16:48 iqualfragile are you kidding me?
16:48 Infinity_69 i know...
16:48 Infinity_69 im at StrongPasswordGenerator.com
16:48 Infinity_69 :D
16:49 Exio if he doesn't want his account, and does not want to read what you said, don't bother
16:49 VanessaE and NEVER USE A WEBSITE to generate a password!!!!
16:49 VanessaE how do you know that website isn't tracking you?
16:49 Infinity_69 idk :/
16:49 iqualfragile dont use anything connected to the outer world to use a password
16:49 Infinity_69 omg, google knows my gMail pw!
16:49 iqualfragile the website could just save your password
16:49 Infinity_69 HOW?!
16:49 VanessaE Infinity_69: as I said before, you are still a child.
16:49 iqualfragile Infinity_69: no, it does not
16:50 VanessaE and it happens that google runs gmail, so of course the same password works there.
16:50 VanessaE (I thought everyone knew that?)
16:50 iqualfragile he knows that
16:50 Infinity_69 ugh, no i dont o.o
16:50 Infinity_69 xD
16:50 VanessaE are you sure? :)
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16:51 sfan5 !c 10^8
16:51 MinetestBot 100 000 000
16:51 Infinity_69 omg, Youtube is Google?
16:51 sfan5 yes
16:51 VanessaE Infinity_69: yep.
16:51 Infinity_69 !c
16:51 MinetestBot Infinity_69: Nothing to calculate.
16:51 Infinity_69 oh
16:51 Infinity_69 !c is calculate
16:51 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
16:51 Infinity_69 lawl
16:51 VanessaE Infinity_69: there's a reason some people use the phrase 'googleplex'.
16:51 Infinity_69 !gc passwordhacker
16:51 MinetestBot passwordhacker: 4,460
16:51 VanessaE they've got their fingers in everything these days.
16:51 sfan5 !c Infinity_69's password strength
16:51 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
16:51 Infinity_69 omg...
16:51 Infinity_69 onlyt
16:51 Infinity_69 lawl
16:52 Infinity_69 Google thinks my password is strong
16:52 Infinity_69 it was green
16:52 VanessaE your password is weak if you already revealed any part of it to us.  google doesn't know you did that.
16:52 Infinity_69 not that...
16:52 Infinity_69 i changed it...
16:52 VanessaE this channel is logged and is searchable on the web.
16:53 Infinity_69 i know
16:53 VanessaE and who knows how many "people" here are actually spy bots.
16:53 Infinity_69 somebody kickban loggingbot_
16:53 sfan5 nope
16:53 sfan5 thexyz wouldn't like that
16:53 Exio in any case
16:53 Infinity_69 but i will .-.
16:53 Exio most of people here has local logs
16:53 sfan5 Infinity_69: what if i tell you .... oh wait Exio said it alreaday
16:54 sfan5 *already
16:54 thexyz privacy!
16:54 Infinity_69 X.X
16:54 thexyz that won't help you though
16:54 markveidemanis http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15253340/tkinter-image-viewer-with-buttons-and-entrybar
16:54 ShadowNinja VanessaE: http://ubuntuone.com/7j9BuZ4X9KbtS3N4FOVJck
16:54 thexyz just prepend all your messages with [off]
16:55 Infinity_69 $privacy = file_get_contents('googleDB.mysql');
16:55 Infinity_69 echo $privacy
16:55 Infinity_69 thats how all the pro's do it!
16:55 Infinity_69 xP
16:56 Exio yes, a pro
16:56 Infinity_69 yay :D
16:56 thexyz VanessaE: that background is really annoying
16:56 Exio what posts his password in a public logged channel.
16:56 Infinity_69 is it now...
16:56 Infinity_69 RLLY?!
16:56 Infinity_69 thexyz did it Exio, not me, i swear!
16:56 sfan5 what?
16:57 Infinity_69 [19:46] <Exio> what posts his password in a public logged channel.
16:57 Infinity_69 [19:46] <Infinity_69> thexyz did it Exio, not me, i swear
16:57 Exio i don't think you need to flood-highlight me, but ok
16:57 Exio (flood highlight with useless stuff, i mean)
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16:58 VanessaE thexyz: what background?
16:58 nyuszika7h 17:49:07*     @VanessaE │ and NEVER USE A WEBSITE to generate a password!!!!
16:58 nyuszika7h strongpasswordgenerator.com uses JavaScript
16:58 nyuszika7h you can look at the code if you don't believe it :P
16:58 VanessaE nyuszika7h: so? it's still on the web.
16:58 nyuszika7h JS is executed client-side
16:59 VanessaE I know that.
16:59 thexyz VanessaE: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/mockup-1.png
16:59 markveidemanis how do i set a python variable to a random interger?
16:59 VanessaE thexyz: note the filename.  "mockup"
16:59 VanessaE that is not at all intended to be anything useful
16:59 Exio markveidemanis: http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html ?
16:59 thexyz VanessaE: it still makes me want to close the tab right after opening it
16:59 VanessaE it's supposed to just show the overall layout I was talking about
16:59 nyuszika7h markveidemanis: x = random.randint(first, last)
16:59 markveidemanis thanks
16:59 thexyz VanessaE: so i think this mockup is pretty much useless
17:00 thexyz by the way
17:00 VanessaE thexyz: um..  it isn't supposed to be useful.
17:00 nyuszika7h use .randrange() if you want the Pythonic way, that doesn't include the last number in the range (e.g. (0, 9) would be between 0 and 8, inclusive)
17:00 thexyz why do we care about Infinity_69's passwords all of sudden?
17:00 jojoa1997 guys i need help with some modding probs
17:00 jojoa1997 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=74186#p74186
17:00 sfan5 because he gave a hint what it is
17:00 VanessaE thexyz: because it comes as part of being a decent human being?  caring about others?  keeping them from making stupid mistakes?
17:00 jojoa1997 i have been trying for 2 days and nothing works
17:01 thexyz VanessaE: well, he doesn't seem to even try to understand
17:01 Infinity_69 Perlin noise maps (huge speed boost) = Less lag online?
17:01 VanessaE thexyz: and besides, apparently the mockup did its job, because that's overall format ShadowNinja went with.
17:01 thexyz of course i can't stop you from wasting your time
17:02 nyuszika7h Infinity_69: if the website doesn't limit my speed of guessing passwords, I can guess your password in 80 seconds
17:02 thexyz VanessaE: great then
17:02 nyuszika7h and that's without threading
17:02 nyuszika7h there are 8 numbers missing, and the 0..9 range is 10 numbers, 8 * 10 = 80 seconds with 1 password / sec
17:02 Infinity_69 then guess it :)
17:02 markveidemanis how do i get the second word of a typed line in pythoin
17:02 markveidemanis python
17:03 Exio hahaha
17:03 Calinou what site actually limits password guessing speed? 8D
17:03 markveidemanis setpass [password]
17:03 Infinity_69 i will stop you if you get it right
17:03 Calinou very basic thing, but very few sites do it
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17:04 Infinity_69 nyuszika7h start guessing!
17:04 nyuszika7h markveidemanis: sys.stdin.readline().strip().split(' ')[1]
17:04 ShadowNinja VanessaE: http://ubuntuone.com/7j9BuZ4X9KbtS3N4FOVJck
17:04 thexyz markveidemanis: "a word".split()[1]
17:04 nyuszika7h yes, the ' ' is not needed for the split
17:04 markveidemanis can i use *
17:04 VanessaE ShadowNinja: HD version of my menulogo:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/menulogo-hd.png
17:04 nyuszika7h you can also use raw_input() (or in Python 3, input())
17:04 nyuszika7h markveidemanis: how do you mean?
17:05 jojoa1997 no one can help?
17:05 VanessaE ShadowNinja: already saw that
17:05 jojoa1997 if you can pm me i got to go
17:05 markveidemanis wildcard
17:05 nyuszika7h markveidemanis: in what context?
17:05 ShadowNinja is that just the menulogo?
17:05 Infinity_69 nyuszika7h
17:05 nyuszika7h Infinity_69
17:06 VanessaE ShadowNinja: at present, yes, but when your code is released I guess I'll use that ^^^^^ image as the menu splash and make the logo, bg, etc transparent/empty
17:06 markveidemanis i dont know, but i thought it was for 'guessing'
17:06 Infinity_69 start guessing...
17:06 Infinity_69 NOW!"
17:06 markveidemanis never mind...your right, im wrong :D
17:06 VanessaE jojoa1997: fix peaceful_npc so I can re-install it :)
17:06 ShadowNinja ah, thats how you got rid of the menulogo background
17:06 nyuszika7h Infinity_69: I'd post a list of possible combinations but I don't want to make it easier to get your accounts compromised.
17:07 VanessaE ShadowNinja: yep.  I overrode it entirely, just by supplying a properly named-and-sized image in my texture pack.
17:07 nyuszika7h anyone can easily do it in Python
17:07 Infinity_69 i already changed the passwords, so now its just a combo...
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17:07 VanessaE ShadowNinja: but because menulogo.png gets scaled up by 4x no matter its size, the HDX version is currently only 320x256 or some such.
17:09 Infinity_69 ok, my ex-password is(was*) **2*76*71777
17:09 Infinity_69 every * is a letter...
17:09 Infinity_69 find them :D
17:09 nyuszika7h Infinity_69: rofl
17:09 nyuszika7h are you really that stupid
17:09 nyuszika7h it's obvious now
17:09 nyuszika7h anyone who can read can guess it
17:10 VanessaE ca2c76b71777
17:10 VanessaE duh.
17:10 Infinity_69 [19:59] <nyuszika7h> are you really that stupid: im pretty smart for my age
17:10 Infinity_69 vanessaE, yeah :D
17:10 Infinity_69 great pw huh :D
17:10 VanessaE sucky.
17:10 VanessaE weak as fuck
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17:10 Infinity_69 *o*
17:10 VanessaE no capital letters, repeating digits, no symbols
17:10 Infinity_69 i told you...
17:10 Infinity_69 i changed it you dumbass
17:11 Exio even my old password was better
17:11 VanessaE you changed it on what, one site you use it on?
17:11 VanessaE you just said you used it in multiple locations.
17:11 Infinity_69 FN, Google(YT, GM, GdC) etc...
17:11 markveidemanis http://paste.pound-python.org/show/31016/ whats wrong
17:12 nyuszika7h markveidemanis: line = raw_input(">").rstrip('\r\n')
17:12 sfan5 my password matches [0-9a-zA-Z\-\\\?]*
17:12 sfan5 that gives almost no hint at all
17:13 Exio my password matches with ".*"
17:13 Exio (without the quotes :)
17:13 nyuszika7h Exio: lol
17:13 markveidemanis meh,i give up on that shitty random program
17:13 sfan5 mine too i bet we have the same passwords </ironic>
17:13 VanessaE a strong password is like the ones I use - let's just say they're into the dozens of characters range, allowing for the entirety of the standard 7-bit ASCII character set, as long as the site considers it valid.
17:14 Exio VanessaE: this is mine! Sv4!sBZPb:a6gtY@;lO?;b{YP;,Fx6=k'|%#]0m:XXNt(f!F}j59=;7.~R|zzGd-;F5"Qe#u+.{|^ZW;
17:15 sfan5 !c 1024+768
17:15 MinetestBot 1792
17:15 VanessaE Exio: that's some password :)
17:15 VanessaE looks more like a perl script :D
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17:16 nyuszika7h markveidemanis: the problem is you are exiting the program on 'randompass'
17:16 markveidemanis sfan, do b64e
17:16 nyuszika7h variables aren't stored between executions
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17:17 sfan5 markveidemanis: why?
17:17 sfan5 !b64e
17:17 MinetestBot sfan5: Nothing to encode.
17:18 sfan5 i'll actually be nice to you
17:18 sfan5 !unignore markveidemanis
17:18 MinetestBot sfan5: 'markveidemanis' removed from ignore list.
17:18 markveidemanis b64e hello i am a witch, burn me
17:18 Infinity_69 Sfan5, put "Print Stacks" in a sentence...
17:18 markveidemanis thank you!
17:18 Infinity_69 i dont know how to translate it...
17:18 Infinity_69 kinda...
17:18 Infinity_69 o.o
17:18 markveidemanis !up minetest.org
17:18 sfan5 no
17:18 MinetestBot minetest.org:30000 seems to be down
17:18 Infinity_69 cmon
17:18 Infinity_69 VanessaE
17:18 markveidemanis OldCoder
17:18 sfan5 stop hightliting everyone
17:18 sfan5 -t
17:19 ShadowNinja Github updated: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/compare/menu_clouds
17:19 sfan5 !b64e hello i am a witch, burn me
17:19 MinetestBot aGVsbG8gaSBhbSBhIHdpdGNoLCBidXJuIG1l
17:19 sfan5 ^ markveidemanis
17:19 markveidemanis it takes the same amount of space?
17:21 OldCoder markveidemanis, yes?
17:21 Infinity_69 !b64e hi?
17:21 MinetestBot aGk/
17:22 Infinity_69 lawl
17:22 markveidemanis why is minetest.org down?
17:22 Infinity_69 !b64e hi
17:22 MinetestBot aGk=
17:22 Infinity_69 ok
17:22 Infinity_69 !b64e ?
17:22 MinetestBot Pw==
17:22 Infinity_69 xD
17:22 markveidemanis !b64d
17:22 MinetestBot markveidemanis: Nothing to decode.
17:22 markveidemanis d. not e
17:22 Infinity_69 oh
17:22 Infinity_69 e is encode?
17:22 Infinity_69 d is decode?
17:22 Infinity_69 ok :D
17:23 Infinity_69 !b64d PW==
17:23 MinetestBot =
17:23 Infinity_69 ?
17:23 nyuszika7h markveidemanis: http://ideone.com/iwM5Nk
17:23 Infinity_69 markveidemanis, use Eric - a Python IDE
17:23 ShadowNinja !b64d aGVsbG8gaSBhbSBhIHdpdGNoLCBidXJuIG1l
17:23 MinetestBot hello i am a witch, burn me
17:24 Infinity_69 lawl
17:25 * nyuszika7h points at topic
17:25 Infinity_69 !b64d aGVsbG8gaSBhbSBhIHdpdGNoLCBidXJuIG1l
17:25 MinetestBot hello i am a witch, burn me
17:27 markveidemanis http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15253340/tkinter-image-viewer-with-buttons-and-entrybar
17:27 ShadowNinja !b64d L21lIHRlc3Rz
17:27 MinetestBot /me tests
17:27 markveidemanis lol good idea
17:27 markveidemanis /me
17:27 ShadowNinja awe, I can't ru commands :-(
17:27 ShadowNinja *run
17:27 markveidemanis that would be cool.....
17:29 Infinity_69 IWdjIHBvcm4=
17:30 Infinity_69 !b64d IWdjIHBvcm4=
17:30 MinetestBot !gc porn
17:30 nyuszika7h ShadowNinja: that's not how IRC works
17:30 Infinity_69 lawl
17:30 Infinity_69 look at what MinetestBot is google'ing
17:30 nyuszika7h when you send a message, the IRC server actually gets "PRIVMSG #minetest :foo"
17:30 Infinity_69 xD
17:31 nyuszika7h !b64d AUFDVElPTiBsb29rcyBhcm91bmQB
17:31 * MinetestBot looks around
17:31 ShadowNinja nyuszika7h: you need a nich andt is easier to type and I know
17:31 Infinity_69 !b64d SGV5IFBpbHpBZGFtLCB3aGF0IGRvZXMgTFVBIHN0YW5kIGZvcj8=
17:31 MinetestBot Hey PilzAdam, what does LUA stand for?
17:32 nyuszika7h and before you ask, no, you can't make it quit with that, or do anything other than /msg, /me or other CTCPs
17:32 khonkhortisan !b64d SSBpcyBhIE1pbmV0ZXN0Qm90
17:32 MinetestBot I is a MinetestBot
17:32 khonkhortisan hehe
17:32 Infinity_69 xD
17:32 nyuszika7h guys, I think it's enough
17:32 nyuszika7h this is not a playground
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17:32 nyuszika7h as the topic says
17:32 Infinity_69 [20:21] <MinetestBot> TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/bot.py", line 162, in <lambda>)
17:32 Infinity_69 xD
17:32 nyuszika7h where?
17:32 Infinity_69 what?
17:32 Infinity_69 look
17:32 Infinity_69 !b64d SGV5IFBpbHpBZGFtLCB3aGF0IGRvZXMgTFVBIHN0YW5kIGZvcj8
17:33 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/bot.py", line 162, in <lambda>)
17:33 Infinity_69 see?
17:33 Infinity_69 !b64d SGV5IFBpbHpBZGFtLCB3aGF0IGRvZXMgTFVBIHN0YW5kIGZvcj
17:33 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/bot.py", line 162, in <lambda>)
17:33 khonkhortisan you don't have to do it twice
17:33 nyuszika7h !b64d DQpQUklWTVNHICNtaW5ldGVzdCA6Zm9v
17:33 Infinity_69 its because i dont put a =
17:33 MinetestBot PRIVMSG #minetest :foo
17:33 nyuszika7h k
17:33 markveidemanis .clear
17:33 Infinity_69 its /clear
17:33 Infinity_69 dumbass
17:33 nyuszika7h things called typos exist :P
17:33 nyuszika7h bbl
17:34 khonkhortisan //replace dumbass air
17:34 khonkhortisan poof!
17:34 ShadowNinja !b64d QUNUSU9OIHRlc3Rz
17:34 MinetestBot ACTION tests
17:35 Infinity_69 xD
17:36 Exio !b64d AUFDVElPTiB0ZXN0AQo=
17:36 Exio oops
17:36 Exio !b64d AUFDVElPTiB0ZXN0AQo=
17:36 * MinetestBot test
17:36 Exio ShadowNinja: ^
17:36 Infinity_69 hey does MT 0.4.5 have "Friends" plugin?
17:36 Exio friends plugin? what?
17:36 ShadowNinja !b64d AUFDVElPTiB0ZXN0cwE=
17:36 * MinetestBot tests
17:36 Infinity_69 that allows to see if a "friend" is online via IP
17:36 Infinity_69 :D
17:36 Infinity_69 that would be nice
17:37 Infinity_69 add friends/enemies to a list that would store the IP's and look that do some servers have people with that IP
17:37 Infinity_69 !g GENIUS meme
17:37 MinetestBot Infinity_69: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/genius
17:38 ShadowNinja !b64d AUFDVElPTiBzaG91bGRuJ3QgYWxsb3cgdGhpcwE=
17:38 * MinetestBot shouldn't allow this
17:38 Infinity_69 !g genius.png
17:38 MinetestBot Infinity_69: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scartol_language_genius.png
17:38 Infinity_69 !g nope.avi
17:38 MinetestBot Infinity_69: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14
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17:40 sfan5 !b16d 6D656F7721
17:40 MinetestBot meow!
17:40 Infinity_69 !b64d SGV5IFBpbHpBZGFtLCB3aGF0IGRvZXMgTFVBIHN0YW5kIGZvcj8=
17:40 MinetestBot Hey PilzAdam, what does LUA stand for?
17:40 sfan5 !ignore Infinity_69
17:40 MinetestBot sfan5: 'Infinity_69' added to ignore list.
17:41 Infinity_69 !ignore sfan5
17:41 Infinity_69 omg, why?!
17:41 sfan5 !ignore sfan5
17:41 Infinity_69 WHY
17:41 MinetestBot sfan5: 'sfan5' added to ignore list.
17:41 Infinity_69 xD
17:41 sfan5 what now?
17:41 Infinity_69 lawl
17:41 Infinity_69 ugh...
17:41 Infinity_69 lmt
17:41 Infinity_69 .-.
17:41 thexyz > This isn't a playground.
17:41 sfan5 !unignore sfan5
17:41 MinetestBot sfan5: 'sfan5' removed from ignore list.
17:41 Infinity_69 .o)3
17:42 Infinity_69 NO
17:42 Infinity_69 was kicked by sfan5: spam
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17:42 Infinity_69 i'll behave
17:42 Infinity_69 o.o
17:42 khonkhortisan Can MinetestBot be told to kick people?
17:42 sfan5 no
17:42 thexyz see
17:42 PilzAdam sfan5, your bot is annyoing
17:42 Infinity_69 was kicked by thexyz: Infinity_69
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17:42 sfan5 PilzAdam: why?
17:43 PilzAdam <MinetestBot> Hey PilzAdam, what does LUA stand for?
17:43 sfan5 <Infinity_69> !b64d SGV5IFBpbHpBZGFtLCB3aGF0IGRvZXMgTFVBIHN0YW5kIGZvcj8=
17:43 sfan5 it decoded that base64 string because it was told so
17:43 sfan5 *to do so
17:44 ShadowNinja That is fun but I don't think we realy need it
17:44 sfan5 and after that this happend:
17:44 sfan5 <MinetestBot> sfan5: 'sfan5' added to ignore list.
17:44 sfan5 no wait
17:44 sfan5 *<MinetestBot> sfan5: 'Infinity_69' added to ignore list.
17:44 sfan5 was kicked by sfan5: :/
17:45 khonkhortisan it takes skill to kick yourself
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17:48 thexyz that's how knockback works! awesome, right?
17:48 thexyz 5 minutes of silence
17:48 nyuszika7h lol?
17:48 thexyz *knockout
17:49 nyuszika7h thexyz: you should set +C
17:49 nyuszika7h it is possible to make the bot send CTCP requests with !b64d
17:50 nyuszika7h like I made it do a /me, that's a CTCP ACTION, others can be done too unless you set +C
17:50 nyuszika7h well, anyone could send a channel-wide CTCP, not just the bot
17:51 khonkhortisan like that
17:51 sfan5 -celeron55- VERSION MESE TÖÖT
17:51 thexyz sure
17:51 sfan5 -Crisco- NO, sfan5, you may not have my version
17:51 Exio [14:50:47] -- CTCP requested by sfan5: VERSION (blocked)
17:52 khonkhortisan 09:50|* Received a CTCP VERSION from sfan5 (to #minetest)
17:52 thexyz sfan5: plz no flood
17:52 sfan5 sorry
17:52 thexyz you're not sorry enough
17:52 thexyz try harder
17:52 sfan5 SORRY
17:53 sfan5 i am very perl('very' x 123) sorry
17:53 * VanessaE hands sfan5 some bold lttering
17:53 VanessaE lettering*
17:53 sfan5 sorry?
17:53 sfan5 i think i need to be op
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17:56 nyuszika7h sfan5: you have +ov
17:57 sfan5 i have?
17:58 nyuszika7h yes
18:08 ShadowNinja pull 518 can be closed
18:13 ShadowNinja all but 5 or so people have timed out on my server, and two of them were greifers, what is going on?
18:14 VanessaE dunno
18:15 ShadowNinja can you connect?
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18:15 VanessaE ip?
18:16 ShadowNinja 67.241.154.164
18:16 ShadowNinja !up 67.241.154.164
18:16 MinetestBot 67.241.154.164:30000 is up (0.295ms)
18:17 VanessaE connecting...
18:17 VanessaE items
18:17 VanessaE nodes..
18:17 VanessaE media
18:17 VanessaE and I'm in
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18:29 Deivan Hum...  How a I get a single item from a group?  I have a group, how I get one random item of this group?
18:30 Deivan Ie, the group:wood.
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18:32 ShadowNinja something like things_in_group_wood[math.rand(1, #things_in_group_wood)]
18:33 Deivan Seeking...
18:33 Deivan I don't found this things in the api...
18:34 ShadowNinja math.rand is lua, not minetest api
18:34 Deivan Not the rand...
18:34 Deivan The "things_in_group_wood"
18:34 ShadowNinja you have to iterate through all nodes and add them
18:34 Deivan I found only the get_item_group
18:35 Deivan Maybe no...
18:35 ShadowNinja if minetest.registered_nodes.groups.wood
18:36 Deivan I need test it...  Thanks.
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19:05 * ShadowNinja sees annother person time-out
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19:09 VanessaE ShadowNinja: now that said,
19:10 VanessaE a lot of people just simply...time out.
19:10 VanessaE Traxie21's client keeps segfaulting, for example
19:10 VanessaE or "Some Exception" or bad alloc
19:10 ShadowNinja but 99%?
19:11 VanessaE I do see it a lot on my server sadly
19:11 * ShadowNinja likes travelnet
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19:24 ShadowNinja yay, two people were able to connect!
19:25 ShadowNinja and it seems travelnet does not remove stations when they are destroyed
19:25 VanessaE yeah so I noticed
19:26 VanessaE I used one in my server earlier and teleported to a location that no longer had one.
19:26 ShadowNinja do you have the patch handy or should I write my own?
19:26 VanessaE what patch?
19:26 ShadowNinja to fix it
19:27 VanessaE nope
19:27 VanessaE I'll have to bug sokomine about it
19:29 VanessaE hell my copy still has the incorrect nodebox defs :)
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19:42 VanessaE bbl
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20:31 Traxie21 Question
20:31 Traxie21 Is there a way to check a value in a table that may not exist, and have it return nil if it does not exist, or the value if it does?
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20:45 STHGOM hi
20:46 STHGOM im having trouble with the mesecons luacontroller
20:46 STHGOM i cant type in the code block and its black instead of green
20:49 STHGOM hello?
20:49 Traxie21 O_o
20:49 Traxie21 What version are you running?
20:50 STHGOM 0.4.4
20:50 STHGOM do i need 0.4.5?
20:50 STHGOM or do you mean of mesecons?
20:51 sokomine i have no idea, sorry
20:52 Traxie21 Try 0.4.5
20:52 STHGOM ok
20:52 Traxie21 I have no idea why it would be black...
20:52 thexyz screenshot?
20:52 STHGOM just the code block is black, i will try
20:53 STHGOM i will take one if 0.4.5 don't work, thanks
20:53 STHGOM just passing by..
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21:01 RealBadAngel problem above was irrlicht 1.8 and old sources
21:01 RealBadAngel btw, updated Technic with 2 bugfixes
21:03 ShadowNinja RBA: fixed the bug in UI?
21:04 RealBadAngel talkin of the devil
21:04 RealBadAngel i cannot reproduce that bug
21:05 RealBadAngel well, what version of UI are you using? standalone or bundled with technic?
21:05 ShadowNinja standalone
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21:07 RealBadAngel i can see the reason
21:07 RealBadAngel by mistake i uploaded there version that will work in the future lol
21:07 RealBadAngel take the one that comes with Technic
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21:08 RealBadAngel or hold on, i will sync those 2 versions
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21:11 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, you can update it now
21:12 RealBadAngel well, all known bugs killed, im back to makin stargate :)
21:14 sokomine stargate?
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21:14 sokomine beware! there might be some bugs on the other side :-)
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21:26 STHGOM thanks 0.4.5 did the trick :D
21:26 STHGOM now i make robot :D
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21:30 RealBadAngel sokomine, definitely. strange alien bugs with glowing eyes
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21:38 OWNSyouAll if i set chunks_per_volume in generate ore to 1/24/24/24 dose that mean it will create one chunk in every 24^3 space?
21:47 Deivan Ok, my renewed version of the crafting guide is operational.  Someone know a good server for host it?
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21:53 khonkhortisan Is that the same crafting guide that's in unified_inventory?
21:53 Deivan No, but have the same origin...
21:54 Deivan Unified make all crazy in my menus...
21:54 Deivan I have workbench and the unified crash all fuctions.
21:54 Deivan Is a big mess.
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21:57 Deivan This one have a small pc, you craft it and put in one place.
21:58 Deivan If need you go to this pc and search what you need.
21:59 Deivan Each pc have a independent bookmark.
22:01 khonkhortisan That's the one I had first, but I like it in the menu better
22:01 Deivan Don't work with the workbench...
22:02 Deivan And don't work with recipes with more than 3x3
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22:10 MinetestBot GIT:  commited to minetest/minetest: Change libjson to libjsoncpp in .gitignore aa77ee66c5 2013-03-06T14:09:28-08:00 http://git.io/oG74bw
22:13 telek jin_xi: Belatedly, thanks for the answer :)
22:16 telek What's json being added for?
22:17 thexyz http://servers.minetest.net/
22:19 telek Publishing is opt-in I hope?
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22:19 thexyz yes
22:20 thexyz server_announce in minetest.conf
22:20 telek Spiffy.
22:20 telek JSON going to start being used for other stuff as well?
22:20 thexyz dunno, what stuff?
22:22 telek Dunno. Thinking a mod api and json schema for database objects perhaps?
22:22 jin_xi lol
22:22 thexyz don't think so
22:23 telek Well suppose I'll come back in a week and check then :D
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22:27 jojoa1997 what does the public option mean http://ompldr.org/vaG9pMw
22:28 NekoGloop|Laptop MinetestBot, who the fuck is commiting it?!
22:28 jojoa1997 what does that mean?
22:28 thexyz jojoa1997: accessible via net i guess
22:29 jojoa1997 so that means that i dont need to do the prot thing to have a server
22:30 thexyz oh, i was wrong
22:30 jojoa1997 then what is the right answer
22:30 thexyz public means it will be announced to master server
22:30 jojoa1997 oh
22:30 jojoa1997 :/ now i cant host from my server :(
22:32 thexyz why?
22:32 thexyz oh
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22:33 thexyz doesn't matter
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22:34 ShadowNinja sokomine: can you fix your travelnet mod so that digging one removes it from the network?
22:43 Uberi what do you think mesecons should sound like when you place/dig it?
22:43 Uberi I am considering adding some real sounds for them
22:44 kaeza I like the dig sound they have now
22:44 kaeza (the default one)
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22:44 Uberi hmm, OK
22:44 Uberi hey VanessaE, do you like the current mesecons dig/place sounds?
22:44 kaeza but adding sounds for things like buttons and switches would be good
22:45 VanessaE I haven't noticed them actually
22:45 Uberi yeah I'm going through them now looking for the ones that don't have sounds
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22:48 NekoGloop|Laptop They should sound softer.
22:48 * VanessaE looks around at her freshly-reinstalled system and wonders if she missed anything
22:48 NekoGloop|Laptop Think wool.
22:49 NekoGloop|Laptop Uberi ^
22:49 Uberi I agree, NekoGloop|Laptop
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22:52 NekoGloop|Laptop Also, buttons and levers could have nice little click sounds. Like a metal latch or something.
22:53 Uberi getting the sounds is a bit hard though, preferably use all CC0 and make licensing less of a pain
22:53 VanessaE use freesounds.org
22:53 NekoGloop|Laptop Or get a microphone.
22:54 VanessaE *grumble*
22:54 VanessaE that wasn't it
22:54 VanessaE http://www.freesound.org/
22:54 VanessaE that was it.
22:54 VanessaE most stuff there is CC0/CC-By-SA
22:54 Uberi yeah I use freesounds.org for everything, sometimes with a bit of pdsounds.org
22:55 NekoGloop|Laptop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X-IR1STMTY This was so obviously made by a linux user who can use Vocaloid in a dualboot or something.
22:55 Uberi (pdsounds is all public domain, just that they don't have much content)
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22:58 Uberi wait a minute, mesecons don't have any sounds at all right now
22:59 kaeza brb, off to Linux
22:59 NekoGloop|Laptop Default nodedef defines sounds don't it?
23:00 Uberi nah you have to use sounds= default.default_sounds...
23:00 NekoGloop|Laptop Why don't you check because I'm a lazy ass?
23:00 Uberi I just did :)
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23:01 NekoGloop|Laptop kaeza joinquitspam NAO.
23:01 kaeza hm?
23:01 kaeza sowwy
23:02 NekoGloop|Laptop Here have a song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsBgCYL9Dn8
23:02 kaeza stoopid xchat plugin is not authenticating me before join
23:02 * NekoGloop|Laptop whistles innocently... Hexchat will do it without plugins~
23:03 * kaeza puts a CTCP VERSION on NekoGloop|Laptop's client
23:03 kaeza :3
23:03 NekoGloop|Laptop Little delay there eh?
23:04 kaeza indeed
23:09 kaeza question: does the current ttf font support japanese characters?
23:11 NekoGloop|Laptop Prolly not, why?
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23:13 thexyz no
23:13 kaeza just asking
23:13 thexyz get uming.ttc
23:13 thexyz it's free/libre
23:13 kaeza ok
23:15 STHGOM does nyone know if the luacontroller can say stuff like signs?
23:15 STHGOM *know
23:16 Uberi STHGOM: what do you mean?
23:16 NekoGloop|Laptop No.
23:16 Uberi you want it to say "signs"?
23:16 Uberi use print("signs")
23:16 STHGOM no
23:16 NekoGloop|Laptop Uberi, no, s/he wants it to function as a sign
23:16 * jin_xi sings
23:16 STHGOM that not what i mean
23:16 STHGOM he
23:16 Uberi oh, in that case use a sign :P
23:17 kaeza thexyz, thanks for the suggestion; Mito on the forums is going to make jap translations for his game in the future. I pointed him to the fotn
23:17 kaeza font*
23:18 NekoGloop|Laptop STHGOM, You want it to display text in a manner similar to signs, do you not?
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23:19 Kacey hi all
23:19 STHGOM yes
23:19 Uberi hey Kacey
23:19 kaeza copy PA's signs into the luacontroller, add the textures somewhere, ???, profit, crash
23:20 Exio lol "profit, crash"
23:20 STHGOM i was hoping that i could do something like this: if pin.a=true signprint ("example")
23:20 STHGOM ok...
23:20 STHGOM pa?
23:21 STHGOM PA?
23:21 NekoGloop|Laptop kaeza, he means like DEFAULT signs...
23:21 STHGOM yes
23:21 NekoGloop|Laptop not those horrible excuses for signs made by the one known as PilzAderp.
23:22 Uberi STHGOM: well yes I suppose it would be possible to add a function for that
23:22 Crisco who the heck is sfan5?
23:22 Uberi if jeija agrees I'll do it
23:22 STHGOM YAY
23:22 STHGOM you are awsome!
23:22 NekoGloop|Laptop Crisco, he is everyone. He is noone. He is you. He is me.
23:22 kaeza lol
23:22 Crisco NekoGloop|Laptop: I doubt that
23:23 Crisco all I know is he ctcp'ed me and highlighted me
23:23 kaeza well, he is OP here
23:23 NekoGloop|Laptop He is very overpowered here.
23:25 Exio he is offtopic here too >:D
23:25 kaeza Uberi, I bet a better approach is to expose the node position of the currently running luacontroller
23:26 Exio what are luacontrollers?
23:26 kaeza a bit more generic, and also allows you to edit it's infotext meta
23:26 Uberi programmable nodes in Mesecons, Exio
23:26 Uberi kaeza: expose node position to what?
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23:26 Exio in lua?
23:26 Uberi Exio: in-game
23:26 Exio damn! i didn't know that was possible in mt
23:27 kaeza to the script running in the luacontroller
23:27 NekoGloop|Laptop Uberi, allow the luacontroller to modify the metadata of the luacontroller.
23:27 Uberi kaeza: no, luacontrollers are supposed to be usable by untrusted and potentially malicious players
23:27 Uberi giving it access to the metadata API can have disasterous consequences
23:28 STHGOM ?
23:28 kaeza like?
23:28 Uberi if, for example, you could modify the heat of the controller, you could crash the server
23:28 kaeza oh I see
23:28 Uberi meta:set_int("heat",-math.huge) while true do end
23:29 Uberi server is now hanged
23:30 NekoGloop|Laptop Well have some blacklisted ones.
23:30 Kacey you can also give yourself stuff with them...
23:37 Uberi NekoGloop|Laptop: in that case, the only ones that would be allowed is the infotext, so might as well have a setinfo() func instead
23:37 Uberi you can also crash the server by modifying the code while its being executed
23:37 kaeza Uberi, I see your point, but unless you also block access to find_nodes_in_area(), creative users can find a workaround
23:37 kaeza by trial and error
23:37 Uberi of course, we blocked the entire MT api
23:37 Uberi it's simply not available
23:37 Uberi only things you can use are print, pin, port, interrupt, digilines, mem, tostring, tonumber, string, and event
23:37 Uberi also you can't use while, for, repeat, until, or function
23:37 kaeza so... what's the real difference between that and a recular microcontroller?
23:37 Uberi which means that the execution environment is not turing complete
23:37 kaeza regular*
23:37 Uberi therefore we avoid the halting problem
23:37 Uberi kaeza: regular ones are programmed in ucScript
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23:37 Uberi ucScript is a custom language that is rather limited and can't express a lot of things
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23:37 * YoungDerp has a good mod idea
23:37 kaeza hi Kacey
23:37 YoungDerp hi
23:37 AspireMint Hello, is there somebody who own webpage on bugs3.com? (i have dummie question x) )
23:37 Kacey i got disconnected
23:38 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hluPGpkLUZ0
23:38 Kacey i want to make this mod
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23:38 kaeza rick astley mod? :P
23:39 Kacey no
23:40 NekoGloop|Laptop When Kacey logs into his computer, it automatically puts a rickroll on his clipboard.
23:40 ShadowNinja sokomine: can you fix your travelnet mod so that digging one removes it from the network?
23:40 Kacey applied energistics
23:41 NekoGloop|Laptop AE doesn't have that much in it though...
23:41 Kacey yet
23:41 kaeza Kacey, TL;DW
23:41 Kacey but we could make our own version of it
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23:54 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgiioDeo2Kk
23:54 Kacey even cooler

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