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00:02 kaeza Kacey, the lump->dust->ingot is not a quirk of technic; It's how it's designed.
00:03 Kacey the quirk is doubling your output
00:03 kaeza yeah, but you have to invest some time in getting a grinder and power first
00:04 kaeza so it's a reward in itself
00:04 Kacey true
00:05 kaeza also, finding diamonds is not easy at the start of the game
00:05 Kacey at the start
00:05 kaeza you need diamonds to create basic power sources
00:06 kaeza Diamonds start to appear at -300 or so
00:07 Exio -500 or -512 by default, if i recall correctly
00:07 kaeza hmm
00:07 kaeza you may be right :)
00:07 Exio wait, the diamonds "standalone"
00:07 Exio or does technic has some weird-diamonds in it?
00:07 kaeza I mean technic diamonds, ofc
00:07 Exio hm
00:08 Exio not sure then
00:08 Kacey -450 or so
00:08 kaeza you also need mithril if you want to make solar panels
00:09 kaeza and that does not appear in large quantities until -600 or so
00:09 Kacey unless you are me
00:10 kaeza err...I mean it's hard without noclip, fast and fly
00:10 kaeza and ofc without /giveme or creative
00:11 Kacey nope
00:11 Kacey i find huge veins of mithril
00:11 kaeza hmm... looks like it's time to update moreores :P
00:12 kaeza my copy is from a year ago
00:12 Exio suddenly, mt crashes and corrupts the maps
00:12 VanessaE and moreblocks if you haven't already
00:12 kaeza I installed mb for the first time a week ago :P
00:12 Kacey lol i have found GIANT veins of stuff on Menche's server
00:13 VanessaE kaeza: it just got updated a few days ago - you're already out of date ;)
00:13 VanessaE (get it from calinou's git repo)
00:13 kaeza gawd, in the time it takes to DL a mod, two newer versions are already out :O
00:15 VanessaE like I said, pull from his repo
00:15 VanessaE then you can just git pull every so often
00:15 VanessaE takes like 10 seconds to get an update :)
00:16 kaeza Exio, loading an old 0.3.1 world in 0.4.4: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_444767519.jpg
00:19 Exio changes in the mapgen? :P
00:22 kaeza yup :)
00:28 Kacey i have a music player ^_^
00:31 kaeza VanessaE, could you please close this when you have the time? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=73190#p73190
00:31 kaeza thanks :)
00:32 VanessaE closed.
00:33 BackupCoder joined #minetest
00:33 kaeza thanks again ^_^
00:34 VanessaE np
00:35 kaeza hmm... need to change my signature... too much (useless) stuff added lately
00:35 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaG1kZQ/screenshot_593468427.png my technic setup
00:36 kaeza lol
00:36 kaeza I have 15 of each of these in my basement
00:36 VanessaE jeez
00:36 kaeza :P
00:36 Kacey lol
00:37 kaeza plus 5 chests totally full of cobble
00:37 kaeza I was bored :|
00:37 Kacey lol
00:38 kaeza Mining Laser Mk1, I LOVE YOU <3
00:39 Kacey lol
00:39 kaeza Kacey, wanna see a nice trick?
00:39 Kacey what?
00:39 kaeza enable item_drop in technic
00:40 Kacey done
00:40 jfu joined #minetest
00:40 Kacey item_drop or item_pickup?
00:40 kaeza now start, and place a cobble/other node
00:40 kaeza _drop
00:40 Kacey k
00:40 kaeza or both if you want
00:40 jfu ok, that griefer is back on menches server again.
00:41 Kacey hang on jfu i will come investigate
00:41 Kacey kaeza, continue
00:41 kaeza place a mesecons button or lever in the side of the node
00:41 khonkhortisan Remind me, does facedir start from one?
00:42 kaeza ok?
00:42 VanessaE khonkhortisan: yes
00:42 jfu kaeza: as you can tell =)
00:42 khonkhortisan okay thanks
00:43 kaeza now place a wire on the other side of the node (opposite to the button)
00:43 kaeza to make a "receiver"/whatever
00:44 kaeza Kacey, did it?
00:44 khonkhortisan If you place the button on glass, you'll be able to see the mesecon connect through it.
00:44 Kacey ill do it later but keep going
00:44 kaeza yep
00:44 Exio Posts: 600
00:44 kaeza you should get a mesecons wire bach from item_drop
00:44 Exio kaeza: so 1337
00:45 Kacey how does that work?
00:45 kaeza dunno, but is a bug
00:45 kaeza now you dig the receiver and get another wire
00:46 kaeza placce another wire and repeat for infinite wires
00:46 kaeza -z
00:46 kaeza -c
00:46 kaeza *
00:46 kaeza Exio, OMG! And VanessaE closed the topic!! I cannot celebrate :(
00:47 VanessaE yeah, you asked me to  :)
00:47 Exio poor kaeza :P
00:47 kaeza bummer :(
00:47 jfu Kacey: thank you!
00:48 kaeza nah J/K
00:49 kaeza I'll make a big ascii art of VanessaE's mansion when I get my 1337th post :D
00:49 kaeza ...here >:D
00:51 Exio suddenly, kaeza banned >:)
00:53 VanessaE heh
00:54 jfu is there a command to list people that are online at the same server? like /list or something?
00:54 VanessaE /status
00:54 jfu ok
00:54 jfu thx
00:55 VanessaE np
00:55 VanessaE has anyone ever noticed how 90% of the time, Taoki becomes Taoki|away without ever actually *saying* anything? :)
00:55 Kacey lol
00:55 Exio s/90/99.99/
00:55 VanessaE heh
00:55 hmmmm perhaps he has it on a timer?
00:55 Taoki|away Triggered when I go to sleep, happens on all servers ;)
00:56 VanessaE hmmmm: she.
00:56 hmmmm she?!
00:56 hmmmm why are there so many females
00:56 VanessaE there.  see?
00:56 VanessaE :)
00:56 Taoki|away Clarification: She online
00:56 hmmmm and nevermind that, how do we know taoki is really a girl
00:56 hmmmm you know the saying about irc and women
00:56 Taoki|away Well, "really" is a confusing term :P
00:56 hmmmm woah
00:56 VanessaE hah
00:56 hmmmm i did not see you there
00:56 hmmmm crap
00:56 * hmmmm goes away
00:56 Exio i'm walking away
00:56 VanessaE hmmmm: clean yer glasses :D
00:57 Taoki|away xD
00:57 Exio er, i got ninja'd by hmmmm
00:58 Taoki|away Curses! My dark secrets are getting uncovered :P (nah, j/k)
00:58 VanessaE haha
00:58 Taoki|away But yeah, IRL I'm a guy I guess... I still like being called a she just because I do
00:58 Taoki|away It's the internet after all
00:58 VanessaE interesting.
00:58 Taoki|away But I need to go now, later. Later
00:59 hmmmm hahaha.. he does that thing that some WoW players do and pose as a girl online in order to get free items
00:59 hmmmm i bet taoki plays WoW
00:59 VanessaE *shakes head*
00:59 Taoki|away Pose means pretending you're one, but I just said I'm a guy IRL. And no, don't play WoW... commercial games aren't my thing
00:59 VanessaE now I have to wonder about sokomine :)
01:01 Taoki|away Wellm dunno about her, never saw a video stream or anything. Doesn't matter to me online really, generally speaking
01:03 VanessaE http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/02/28/1615207/intercontinental-mind-meld-unites-two-rats
01:03 VanessaE O.O
01:03 MinetestBot VanessaE: What are you wondering about?
01:04 VanessaE "from the my-squeeks-to-your-squeeks dept."
01:04 VanessaE sfan5|OFF: PLEASE turn that crap off :(
01:06 sdzen joined #minetest
01:06 VanessaE hey sdzen.
01:06 sdzen hello
01:06 MinetestBot hi sdzen
01:07 * kaeza puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
01:07 MinetestBot kaeza: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens
01:07 kaeza lol
01:07 sdzen MinetestBot
01:07 Exio hahaha
01:07 VanessaE sfan5|OFF: turn it off, or I will.
01:07 sdzen i suppose his nick says off for a reason VanessaE
01:07 VanessaE yeah yeah
01:08 VanessaE just being a little bitchy tonight.
01:08 kaeza tonight? :P
01:08 * kaeza hides
01:09 * kaeza feels as the banhammer is going to strike again
01:09 VanessaE naw, I ain't gonna ban it.
01:09 VanessaE I
01:09 VanessaE I'll just +q it
01:11 Kacey /mode +q MinetestBot
01:12 kaeza I wonder if you know who has discovered the "hi" feature...
01:12 kaeza I surely hope not :|
01:12 VanessaE well it's irritating
01:13 VanessaE a bot that says hi to everyone is not useful
01:13 VanessaE (those commit messages, on the other hand, are useful)
01:13 * Kacey wants a @
01:13 * VanessaE hands Kacey an @.
01:13 Kacey ... lol
01:13 kaeza on another channel I frequent, there's a bot that analyzes user's messages and remembers them
01:14 kaeza every once in a while it spits out a made up sentece
01:14 VanessaE kaeza: one of the channels I used to be on has one of those
01:14 VanessaE but it's usually used as more of a funny quotes/log bot
01:14 kaeza yep
01:14 Exio i have a bot what uses markov
01:15 VanessaE and some nitwit on slashdot has been running such a thing for a while
01:15 Exio it should be called "trolololololbot"
01:15 Exio more than bot alone
01:15 kaeza this particular bot has usually...catastrophic results
01:15 VanessaE nearly every thread has at least one post with one or two pseudo-sentences that ALMOST make sense
01:15 MiJyn hi minetestbot
01:15 MinetestBot Hi MiJyn
01:15 MiJyn :P
01:15 MiJyn sorry, just had to xD
01:16 kaeza should I eat you?
01:16 MinetestBot kaeza: You decide
01:16 MiJyn O.O
01:16 MinetestBot MiJyn: What are you wondering about?
01:16 VanessaE should I kick you?
01:16 VanessaE :)
01:16 Exio poor MinetestBot
01:16 MiJyn should I quiet you?
01:16 MiJyn Exio, I feel for him too :)
01:17 kaeza the good thing is that the bot I'm talking about autokicks any user who uses bad language
01:17 Kacey afk
01:17 VanessaE kaeza: which I object to quite strenuously.
01:18 VanessaE by G*d if someone wants to launch into a tirade of colorful expletives, let 'em
01:18 jfu it depends on the definition of bad
01:18 VanessaE no virgin ears/eyes here
01:18 kaeza jfu, something that starts with "F" and ends in "UCK" for example :)
01:19 Exio fak
01:19 kaeza FIRETRUCK :D
01:19 VanessaE fuckity fuck.
01:19 VanessaE :)
01:19 Exio >:D avoided
01:19 Exio lol kaeza
01:19 sdzen frell this dren!
01:19 jfu kaeza: haha =) nice one
01:20 Exio kaeza's brain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw
01:21 kaeza Exio, while we're at it, also this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
01:21 jfu anyone seen Louie CKs rant about using the term "the f-word" or the "c-word" etc? i think it is spot on.
01:22 VanessaE Louie CK?  blah.  George Carlin was the master of such rants :)
01:22 Exio kaeza: xD
01:22 kaeza lol
01:23 kaeza you, sir, have been justly rickrolled XD
01:23 jfu yeah Carling had the topic "the 7 words you can not use in tv" rant. that was good
01:23 jfu or was it 5?
01:23 jfu anyway
01:25 jfu *Carlin
01:25 jfu i always add g to words that ends in -in =)
01:25 VanessaE it was 7 words.
01:26 jfu ah nice
01:26 kaeza hmm... Is that patch that allows per-coboid texturing in nodeboxes in master?
01:26 VanessaE and whoever it was who did the recording "The Usage of Fuck"
01:26 VanessaE (usually attributed to Carlin, but it wasn't him)
01:26 kaeza cuboid*
01:27 VanessaE kaeza: coming soon
01:27 VanessaE RBA's working on that
01:27 kaeza ah good :)
01:28 VanessaE it's almost a side-effect of the "6d" rotation code, which requires getting rid of the now useless texture atlas
01:28 VanessaE by doing one, he can do the other very easily, he's said
01:28 VanessaE RealBadAngel: *ping*
01:28 kaeza also, I now want to get me some of those "3D glasses"
01:29 kaeza to *actually* try the anaglyph thing
01:29 VanessaE I have a pair
01:29 VanessaE but I'm partial to polarized 3d ("RealD" or whatever it is)
01:29 VanessaE my eyes don't work so well with anaglyphs
01:30 kaeza I used to make them with colored cellophane when I was little
01:30 kaeza hmm... polarized 3d?
01:30 kaeza to wikipedia!
01:31 VanessaE two lenses, one per eye, with different polarizations made to match that which is being shown to you
01:31 VanessaE (e.g. via a projector, special TV/monitor, etc)
01:32 kaeza I've seen a guy make that with a laptop screen
01:32 kaeza by removing the polarized film and adding it to his glasses
01:33 kaeza well... maybe that was a different thing
01:33 VanessaE ew
01:33 VanessaE anaglyph mode is busted
01:33 VanessaE shit flickers all over the place
01:33 khonkhortisan sounds like something I'd want to fix
01:33 VanessaE yes
01:33 VanessaE and the red tint is wrong
01:34 Kacey ?
01:34 VanessaE er, the blue one is
01:34 khonkhortisan you have to add in the third color into the color of one eye
01:34 VanessaE at least for my glasses.
01:34 khonkhortisan blue instead of cyan?
01:34 Kacey anaglyph mode?
01:34 VanessaE Kacey: yeah
01:34 kaeza Kacey, what you commonly call "3D" in films
01:34 Kacey how do i activate it?
01:34 VanessaE anaglyph = true
01:34 khonkhortisan ^
01:34 VanessaE anaglyph_strength = 0.02
01:35 VanessaE in minetest.conf
01:35 Kacey nvm then
01:35 VanessaE but there's no way to tune the colors
01:35 sdzen haha that only means that we need more settings for the different shades of 3d glasses
01:35 VanessaE so useless to me :-/
01:35 sdzen :)
01:35 khonkhortisan no color tuning is common in 2/2 games
01:35 Kacey dont like tampering with my .conf
01:35 khonkhortisan really?
01:36 kaeza Kacey, then you are missing the finite liquids too :P
01:36 Kacey nope
01:36 kaeza It's way more realistic
01:36 * Kacey doesnt like finite anything
01:36 khonkhortisan finite liquids are merged?
01:36 sdzen yes
01:36 Kacey i cant make infinite lava/ water
01:36 sdzen very very cool
01:36 khonkhortisan use pipeworks for infinity, no?
01:37 kaeza I like how you can now fill caves entirely
01:37 kaeza instead of just leaving a waterfall
01:37 khonkhortisan plumb your showerhead to the ocean
01:37 Kacey dinner
01:37 khonkhortisan or plumb the shower to itself, with a water tank in between
01:37 VanessaE horrible fps too in anaglyph mode
01:38 kaeza VanessaE, 10 FPS in mine :(
01:38 khonkhortisan well yes, it's doing around twice the work
01:38 VanessaE kaeza: and stuff flickering all over the place?
01:38 kaeza dunno, I just see two images superimposed :P
01:38 kaeza but no flickering
01:39 khonkhortisan I don't have the glasses, I cross my eyes to see 3d
01:39 khonkhortisan there's a youtube mode for that
01:40 VanessaE I wonder if crossed-eye 3d is doable in MT
01:40 khonkhortisan I tried to add it to bzflag, but the font system messed up
01:41 khonkhortisan went past the edge of the screen because it's based on height I htink
01:41 Exio https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zLcujTQnHtc/TxWW-Il9SUI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ZQvqVKU1tpY/s2000/terence.parr.png
01:42 khonkhortisan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZQr-0fSsk 3D -> Change viewing method... -> Side by side. Then wait for the words to go away.
01:42 VanessaE heh
01:42 khonkhortisan it also matters how far your head is from the screen
01:45 khonkhortisan You must add anaglyph_strength or it'll remove anaglyph from the .conf
01:46 khonkhortisan anaglyph makes fov more obvious
01:46 khonkhortisan VanessaE, flickering meaning moire patterns?
01:46 VanessaE khonkhortisan: no, objects on the screen flashing and blinking, especially transparent objects e.g. windows, leaves
01:47 jfu it sort of works, but i feel like an idiot
01:47 khonkhortisan jfu, the video or minetest?
01:47 jfu can I say both? no i ment the video
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01:48 jfu oh wait... i chose cross-eyed haha
01:48 khonkhortisan I warn you, there's a rail ride video with the dimensions all off. It hurts to watch.
01:49 jfu the side by side was better but that was also weird... really cool vide though
01:50 khonkhortisan this one might be easier to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&amp;NR=1&amp;v=x7TLDvl24Zk
01:51 khonkhortisan leaves are fine for me
01:51 Vadtec sup peeps
01:51 khonkhortisan 3D! | 3D!
01:52 khonkhortisan lol I can actually focus on that if I put my head way forward
01:53 kaeza VanessaE, I find it strange that there's no fire texture in your HDX pack...
01:53 VanessaE I've been too lazy to make a good animated fire :-)
01:53 kaeza heh
01:53 VanessaE unless you know of a really nice free one :D
01:54 kaeza hmm
01:54 khonkhortisan connect to a live feed of a fireplace for the texture
01:54 jfu i have like two of those Real3D glasses at home. but they wont work without some very expensive equipment...
01:54 VanessaE jfu: not really - any cheap projector will be fine.  you just need polarized filters and an appropriate 3d splitter
01:55 NekoGloop|Laptop joined #minetest
01:55 VanessaE total expenditure depends on your setup; a good high def 3d projector can be had for around $1400 now.
01:55 khonkhortisan You can't tell for sure it's a polarized filter until you try it, it could just be tinted plastic
01:55 VanessaE hey neko.
01:55 khonkhortisan hello longname
01:55 kaeza ...sooo a simple paper sheet+celophane vs a special projector+filter+...
01:55 jfu VanessaE: that was interesting... gonna google it
01:56 RealBadAngel hello all
01:56 MinetestBot hi RealBadAngel
01:56 khonkhortisan RBA, I posted on your forum topic exactly what was wrong with the 6D facedir textures.
01:56 kaeza inb4 /mode +q MinetestBot
01:56 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
01:56 MinetestBot NekoGloop|Laptop: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens
01:57 khonkhortisan what I see: "kaeza: /mode +q MinetestBot ... MinetestBot: I don't want it"
01:57 kaeza lol
01:57 NekoGloop|Laptop Oh hey look, he's lying.
01:58 khonkhortisan why, 'cause it's you?
01:58 NekoGloop|Laptop Because i know you don't have anyone ignored.
01:58 khonkhortisan ?
01:59 khonkhortisan I forgot who ignored who. who ignored whom? whom ig...
02:00 kaeza wow I still have D******a's PMs ignored :P
02:01 kaeza gawd, I wonder how many times he PM'd
02:01 NekoGloop|Laptop who?
02:02 kaeza D******a
02:02 kaeza :)
02:02 NekoGloop|Laptop ...
02:02 VanessaE ?
02:02 khonkhortisan So either that's the actual name, or you just don't want to say
02:02 kaeza second one
02:02 NekoGloop|Laptop VanessaE: That one character sums up the channel.
02:02 VanessaE NekoGloop hahah
02:03 NekoGloop|Laptop "Minetest is developed by a random group of lunatics."
02:03 NekoGloop|Laptop Love it.
02:03 VanessaE yup
02:03 VanessaE NekoGloop|Laptop: and you're among them now :D
02:03 NekoGloop|Laptop Nope.
02:04 khonkhortisan Do mods count?
02:04 NekoGloop|Laptop I ain't developed shit.
02:04 VanessaE yup, you contributed to the game, therefore you're a lunatic :D
02:04 VanessaE textures are as important as the code
02:04 kaeza NekoGloop|Laptop, IIRC, you pushed new textures :D
02:04 khonkhortisan shit 2.0 is much better
02:04 kaeza ah ninja'd
02:04 khonkhortisan but nobody wants to update
02:04 VanessaE (unless you want everything to just be covered in 1's and 0's)
02:04 NekoGloop|Laptop Technically I didn't push it.
02:04 NekoGloop|Laptop :)
02:04 RealBadAngel khonkhortisan, all rotations are made same way 0, -90, 180, 90
02:04 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/blob/master/src/mapnode.cpp#L150
02:05 khonkhortisan why 1's and 0's? Just go with the stuff from Matrix
02:05 khonkhortisan animated, of course
02:05 VanessaE khonkhortisan: I've always thought that was something of a plot hole - why would a computer choose to map everything to a bunch of weird glyphs when it already 'thinks' in binary anyway?
02:06 khonkhortisan that makes it worse if you're only rotating corners
02:06 RealBadAngel and rotating by 180 is not the same as flipping image
02:06 khonkhortisan encryption
02:06 khonkhortisan I think
02:06 khonkhortisan intense encryption
02:06 NekoGloop|Laptop ... 0.4.5? pl0x?
02:06 kaeza strong*
02:06 khonkhortisan or, compression
02:07 khonkhortisan strong compression then
02:07 VanessaE compression maybe, but if that were the case, why only a few dozen symbols?  why not thousands?
02:07 NekoGloop|Laptop stronk*
02:07 khonkhortisan Flip X; Flip Y; Rotate 180° = original image
02:08 khonkhortisan it originated in the country that used those characters. I'm running out of reasons.
02:08 NekoGloop|Laptop That means we're winning, khon.
02:10 VanessaE I know of no country that uses mirrored images of japanese and latin text :)
02:10 VanessaE (except Russia does)
02:10 khonkhortisan they're mirrored? That's even worse
02:10 sdzen I smell unicode
02:10 khonkhortisan My improved facedirtools test node
02:10 sdzen :)
02:10 khonkhortisan http://postimage.org/image/i2uew8v2j/
02:11 NekoGloop|Laptop I smell kittens... oh right.
02:11 khonkhortisan ^ was supposed to be on the same line
02:11 jfu VanessaE: isnt that cyrillic? (spelling?)
02:11 VanessaE jfu: yes (and yes)
02:12 VanessaE khonkhortisan: suddenly, I have images of 4d rubik's cubes in my head
02:13 khonkhortisan interesting
02:14 khonkhortisan How many dimensions is your imagination using?
02:14 NekoGloop|Laptop NYANCATS. :3
02:14 VanessaE oh, 15 or so, why?
02:14 VanessaE ;)
02:14 khonkhortisan yep nyancats
02:14 khonkhortisan I can't go any higher than 4
02:14 NekoGloop|Laptop My mind thinks in all 11 dimensions
02:15 khonkhortisan I prefer to call time dimension zero
02:15 jfu im surprised there is no companion-cube in minetest, or a mario-question-mark one...
02:15 khonkhortisan I saw one
02:15 Kacey back
02:15 kaeza jfu, there are two companion cubes
02:15 MinetestBot Welcome back Kacey!
02:15 kaeza dafuq?
02:15 Kacey ?
02:15 khonkhortisan http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4269
02:15 kaeza that is new :D
02:15 RealBadAngel can you upload somewhere the test node?
02:15 VanessaE jfu: there are at least two mods that add such
02:16 VanessaE gah, ninja'd again
02:16 khonkhortisan sure
02:16 VanessaE RealBadAngel: *poke*
02:16 RealBadAngel hi VanessaE
02:16 khonkhortisan aw, it's not a git repo
02:16 VanessaE RealBadAngel: care to expand on this:   [02-28 20:29] <VanessaE> it's almost a side-effect of the "6d" rotation code, which requires getting rid of the now useless texture atlas
02:16 VanessaE [02-28 20:29] <VanessaE> by doing one, he can do the other very easily, he's said
02:16 RealBadAngel hold on i will create one
02:16 khonkhortisan I was going to go with a branch
02:16 kaeza SPAAAAAM
02:17 VanessaE kaeza: spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans, spam spam spam and spam.
02:17 kaeza hehe
02:17 VanessaE [vikings]
02:17 VanessaE SHUT UP!
02:17 RealBadAngel texturing each nodebox will be also possible
02:17 khonkhortisan I read right, I read left, and I read right and stopped at baked beans.
02:17 VanessaE baked beans are off.
02:17 VanessaE wait, what?  ;)
02:17 khonkhortisan I read it thrice
02:18 khonkhortisan "read", not "read"
02:19 khonkhortisan !up https://github.com/RealBadAngel/facedirtools
02:19 MinetestBot khonkhortisan: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
02:21 khonkhortisan there it is
02:25 khonkhortisan I'm already where I can push to my repo, but I can't fork yours until it's not empty
02:25 khonkhortisan I think
02:26 * Kacey likes this music
02:26 RealBadAngel khonkhortisan, uploaded
02:26 khonkhortisan now to figure out what to do if merge doesn't work
02:28 RealBadAngel btw, screwdriver mode 4 is fucked up
02:28 RealBadAngel it was made manually before
02:28 khonkhortisan I figured out 1 and 3
02:28 RealBadAngel but then i started to rotate nodeboxes
02:28 VanessaE and then everything went to shit
02:28 VanessaE :)
02:29 RealBadAngel then have to redefine the rotations table to follow the way nodeboxes are rotated
02:29 RealBadAngel core table is updated, mod's one is still old
02:30 RealBadAngel by now for testing use just mode 3 to reset rotation and set axisdir
02:30 RealBadAngel then mode 1 to rotate around axisdir only
02:31 khonkhortisan I didn't know 3 reset rotation
02:31 khonkhortisan I was doing three then one
02:31 RealBadAngel mode_text={
02:31 RealBadAngel {"Change rotation, Don't change axisdir."},
02:31 RealBadAngel {"Keep choosen face in front then rotate it."},
02:31 RealBadAngel {"Change axis dir, Reset rotation."},
02:31 RealBadAngel {"Bring top in front then rotate it."},
02:31 khonkhortisan aah! How do I get it to forget I have to merge?
02:32 RealBadAngel also tool dumps value of facedir to console
02:32 RealBadAngel in format axisdir, rotation
02:33 jfu khonkhortisan: what do you want to do? i know git inside out.
02:33 khonkhortisan I'm trying to add a change I made to a mod before it became a git repo
02:34 RealBadAngel khonkhortisan, you have push rights to facedirtools
02:34 khonkhortisan oh
02:34 khonkhortisan it ended up being three commits
02:35 Kacey rba, how do i get obsidian with Technic?
02:35 jfu khonkhortisan: do a git rebase master -i and squash them together
02:35 RealBadAngel it waits for code to spawn it
02:35 RealBadAngel i would like it to be found near lava lakes
02:35 khonkhortisan I was going to do a rebase-type thing
02:35 Kacey aah
02:36 Kacey how about water hitting a lava source
02:36 RealBadAngel havent found a reasonable way to do so yet
02:36 RealBadAngel maybe with new biomes it will be easier
02:36 khonkhortisan jfu, do I put my commit message there, or a single-letter command?
02:37 jfu khonkhortisan: if you do not supply the -m flag (for message), the default $EDITOR will open up and you can write the message there
02:38 jfu it will actually be two steps if you use the -i (or --interactive same thing). first it will show you which commits you are able to squash, and then in step two it will ask for the commit message
02:38 khonkhortisan no such branch: (my commit message)
02:38 khonkhortisan I'll just recheckout
02:38 jfu ah sorry...
02:38 jfu -m is for git commit only.
02:39 khonkhortisan I mean reclone
02:39 jfu ah ok
02:39 RealBadAngel khonkhortisan, http://www.syntevo.com/smartgithg/index.html
02:39 RealBadAngel easy to use
02:41 khonkhortisan I got merge comments in my init.lua
02:43 jfu that is probably wrong
02:43 khonkhortisan huh. You removed the arrow texture from the init.lua
02:43 jfu you just want to add your commit on top, not merge
02:43 RealBadAngel forgot bout it
02:43 khonkhortisan I did my commit before forking, if that makes any sense
02:44 RealBadAngel it was replaced with some other texture for tests
02:44 jfu you said there was no repo before so how could you fork?
02:44 RealBadAngel just replace it with yours
02:45 khonkhortisan I think I have it right now
02:45 khonkhortisan I spammed the github page until it appeared, then when it did, I cloned an empty repo
02:46 khonkhortisan then git pull, merge conflict
02:46 jfu ah, you should have git pull --rebase to get your stuff on top without merging
02:46 khonkhortisan 403‽
02:47 khonkhortisan error: The requested URL returned error: 403 while accessing https://github.com/RealBadAngel/facedirtools/info/refs
02:48 khonkhortisan Now I'm lost.
02:48 VanessaE 404 for me.
02:48 RealBadAngel info?
02:48 RealBadAngel refs?
02:48 khonkhortisan I have my commit in the right place, origin is https://github.com/RealBadAngel/facedirtools, I do a git push with the correct password
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02:49 RealBadAngel there are no such directories
02:49 khonkhortisan I think I need ssh
02:50 RealBadAngel use smartgit
02:50 RealBadAngel http://www.syntevo.com/smartgithg/index.html
02:50 RealBadAngel it has builtin ssh
02:51 khonkhortisan non-fast-forward commit?
02:51 khonkhortisan oh
02:51 * khonkhortisan is feeling slow
02:53 khonkhortisan And a quick rebase to remove the merge...
02:53 khonkhortisan this may take me a while
02:56 Kacey night all
02:56 khonkhortisan I lost track of how many times I committed, but I managed to push just one.
02:57 khonkhortisan even had the textures get added separately from the text
02:57 khonkhortisan RealBadAngel, it's in
03:00 * khonkhortisan downloads smartgit
03:01 MiJyn hi
03:01 MinetestBot hi MiJyn
03:01 MiJyn thanks minetestbot :)
03:01 MinetestBot MiJyn: Although i'm only a bot I appreciate your thanks.
03:01 khonkhortisan hi MiJyn
03:02 * NekoGloop|Laptop turns it up to 11
03:02 MiJyn thanks khonkhortisan :)
03:02 MiJyn I see @MinetestBot...
03:02 khonkhortisan Although I'm not a bot I'm not incapable of appreciating thanks.
03:03 MiJyn I see @khonkhortisan...
03:03 khonkhortisan what's the @for?
03:04 NekoGloop|Laptop gtfo twitter.
03:04 khonkhortisan +khonkhortisan
03:05 MiJyn $khonkhortisan, better?
03:05 khonkhortisan bash variable?
03:05 MiJyn delete($khonkhortisan);
03:05 MiJyn ah right
03:05 khonkhortisan eek!
03:06 MiJyn export khonkhortisan=""
03:06 MiJyn there
03:06 MiJyn :)
03:06 khonkhortisan I still exist, I'm just empty
03:06 MiJyn yes
03:06 MiJyn unset khonkhortisan
03:06 MiJyn there
03:08 MiJyn :P
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03:09 khonkhortisan I checked "Non-commercial use only (all features, but no support)", but at the end of the setup it tells me "To request support or report a problem, use the items in the Help menu."
03:09 khonkhortisan And going <Back and Next>, it remembers everything except my username
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03:15 khonkhortisan woah smartgit finds people's pictures
03:16 MiJyn that's why it's called _smart_git :P
03:20 NekoGloop|Laptop :(){ :|:& };:
03:20 * NekoGloop|Laptop watches as the fork bomb explodes
03:20 khonkhortisan been there, done that
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03:21 khonkhortisan I prefer :(){:|:&};:
03:21 NekoGloop|Laptop it's the same damn thing ain't it?
03:21 khonkhortisan I like it better without spaces
03:21 khonkhortisan forkbombs don't need to follow conventions
03:22 NekoGloop|Laptop %0|%0 Windows batch forkbomb
03:22 khonkhortisan I think perl has something similar
03:22 NekoGloop|Laptop perl -e "fork while fork" &
03:23 avi_ yes sh\&|sh
03:23 NekoGloop|Laptop I've made a few forkbombs in Game Maker on accident.
03:24 NekoGloop|Laptop Too many while-loops and repeat-loops can be deadly.
03:24 khonkhortisan by accident | sh&|sh makes a parent do all the forking
03:24 * khonkhortisan likes until loops and unless statements
03:30 MiJyn khonkhortisan, #define until(b) while(!(b))
03:30 khonkhortisan #define unless(x) if(!(x))
03:30 khonkhortisan I got blamed for the original problem when I half fixed it (in mesecons)
03:31 khonkhortisan that's the second time that's happened to me, must be common
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06:37 MiJyn wow, silence in #minetest for 3 hours... *calls 911*
06:37 MiJyn wait, better idea!
06:37 MiJyn /ping `/names`
06:37 MiJyn :P
06:37 MiJyn THERE
06:38 MiJyn or:
06:38 MiJyn hi  .....
06:38 MiJyn xD
06:50 kaeza MiJyn, you should go to #winehq; literally ten words written in almost a day.
06:53 MiJyn kaeza, ah, I'll use my ... erm ... "treatment" on them :P
06:53 MiJyn (and see how fast they'll ban me :P)
06:53 kaeza hehe
06:53 MiJyn xD
06:53 MiJyn jk
06:57 kaeza hrm, got the Lava Suit working by getting wear on damage, instead of using separate energy cells, but now the rest of survival_modpack does not get updated...
07:02 kaeza got it
07:03 kaeza yay it's working perfectly
07:15 kaeza anyway, time to go. night everyone
07:16 VanessaE night
07:26 VanessaE think I'll do the same.
07:26 VanessaE night
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08:29 thexyz hi
08:29 MinetestBot hi thexyz
08:30 thexyz you're annoying
08:30 thexyz die
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12:39 ashurii Hey all, mind if I ask about creative commons? I am struggling to understand what can and cannot be done with someone else's work :/
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12:41 Infinity_69 hi
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12:43 john_minetest ashurii: http://creativecommons.org
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12:49 RealBadAngel hello all
12:50 john_minetest hello RBA
12:50 ashurii john_minetest: Thanks :) I still don't quite understand : modify, remix or adapt. What are the limits? There are no explanations for idiots. Can I take ten random pixels from an image and construct something entirely different which doesn't resemble the original, so long as I give credit to my sources?
12:50 Infinity_69 hi rba
12:50 Infinity_69 hi john_minetest
12:51 john_minetest ashurii: I think it depends on the license. There are several kinds of creative commons licenses.
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12:52 RealBadAngel ashurii, here in minetest you can take anything you want and make with it anything you like
12:52 RealBadAngel but, its rude to claim its your own. just say thx to the original author in credits
12:53 Infinity_69 !g asdf
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12:53 Infinity_69 ok :/
12:54 ashurii Okay, wow the concept is lost on me.. is there that much flexibility? What if the end work looks nothing like the original. Suppose you took some eyes from a photo and graph them onto another image is that okay? Would you need to be specific about where the eyes came from? I think that is why I am confused.
12:54 RealBadAngel this is open source project
12:55 RealBadAngel most of the work is either wtfpl or creative commons
12:56 RealBadAngel which means we all coding the same thing, at some point one stopped other can continue
12:56 ashurii Okay, kewl :) How long as wtfpl been around?
12:58 RealBadAngel wtfpl means you dont even say thank you, but as i said
12:58 RealBadAngel it would be just rude
12:58 RealBadAngel *have
12:58 ashurii ah okay, fully in the public domain so to speak.
12:59 john_minetest Version 2 is there since 2004. http://www.wtfpl.net/about/
12:59 Infinity_69 http://greenopia.bugs3.com what do you guys think about the bg?
12:59 ashurii ah thanks :)
12:59 RealBadAngel take this way, if you are using some1's work and create something new based on it, just say thx
12:59 Infinity_69 its 2x2 pixels
12:59 RealBadAngel it will be enough
12:59 Infinity_69 :D
12:59 Infinity_69 RBA
12:59 Infinity_69 http://greenopia.bugs3.com what do you think about the bg?
13:00 RealBadAngel that is green?
13:00 RealBadAngel hehe
13:00 Infinity_69 kinda
13:00 Infinity_69 its 2by2 pixels
13:00 Infinity_69 like this:
13:00 Infinity_69 BG
13:00 Infinity_69 GB
13:00 Infinity_69 Green Black
13:00 Infinity_69 :D
13:00 Infinity_69 E-Z
13:00 Infinity_69 D:
13:00 RealBadAngel btw i got some news about UI, VanessaE made something
13:01 RealBadAngel lemme do a screenshot
13:01 Infinity_69 ok
13:03 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/cIpAx32.jpg
13:03 RealBadAngel new look of UI
13:04 Infinity_69 it has mods, eh?
13:04 Infinity_69 inventory+
13:04 Infinity_69 bags
13:04 Infinity_69 and creative
13:04 Infinity_69 :D
13:04 Infinity_69 its just a new background eh?
13:04 Infinity_69 Cana-duh!
13:05 RealBadAngel UI is a rework of Cornernote's inventory+
13:05 Infinity_69 ok...
13:05 RealBadAngel it has bags, settime, sethome etc
13:05 Infinity_69 isnt UI User Interface?
13:05 RealBadAngel Unified Inventory
13:05 Infinity_69 oh :D
13:05 Infinity_69 ok
13:06 RealBadAngel it replaces completely creative
13:06 RealBadAngel and also has crafting guide
13:06 RealBadAngel more things will come as soon as i finish API for it
13:09 Infinity_69 RBA, your making the API?
13:09 Infinity_69 make a code so that an image could be showed on the screen...
13:09 Infinity_69 like this:
13:09 Infinity_69 minetest.register_image({
13:10 Infinity_69 :D
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13:10 Infinity_69 display: ???
13:10 Infinity_69 etc...
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13:13 RealBadAngel you can show any image using formspecs
13:14 RealBadAngel http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2002272013%20-%2007:48:22%20PM.png
13:14 RealBadAngel VanessaE's own version of UI
13:15 Infinity_69 RBA, check my website again
13:15 Infinity_69 i changed the pixels
13:15 Infinity_69 2x2 to 8x8
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13:15 Infinity_69 same pattern
13:15 RealBadAngel worse effect
13:15 Infinity_69 i know right xD
13:15 RealBadAngel before it was more readable
13:15 Infinity_69 yes...
13:17 Infinity_69 hey, suggest a background that would suit the website in both the X axis and Y axis
13:17 Infinity_69 :D
13:20 Infinity_69 got one
13:20 Infinity_69 check it out now
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13:34 RealBadAngel this is way better
13:35 Infinity_69 i know
13:35 Infinity_69 im changing the domain of it..
13:35 Infinity_69 greenopia was taken...
13:35 Infinity_69 so...
13:35 Infinity_69 Green Node
13:35 Infinity_69 :D
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13:38 Infinity_69_ hi
13:38 Infinity_69_ i crashed
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13:57 Kacey hi all
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14:00 Infinity_69 hi
14:01 Infinity_69 i cant seem to get my website up :/
14:01 Infinity_69 do you know any better website hosters than bugs3 and boxhost?
14:01 Infinity_69 i made a website in both, none work
14:02 Infinity_69 http://greennode.bugs3.com
14:02 Infinity_69 http://greennode.boxhost.me
14:11 Infinity_69 http://ompldr.org/vaG1qZg/2.jpg
14:11 Infinity_69 http://ompldr.org/vaG1qZQ/1.jpg
14:11 Infinity_69 realbadangel
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14:15 RealBadAngel Infinity_69, talk to rubenwardy when he will be online
14:15 Infinity_69 ok :/
14:22 RealBadAngel im not webdesigner. im low level coder
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14:23 Infinity_69 oh :D
14:23 Infinity_69 me too...kinda...
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14:25 Kacey low level? i think not rba
14:26 RealBadAngel low level means assembler, c++
14:26 john_minetest Infinity_69: You can transfer your whole disk space 10 times :D
14:26 Kacey aah
14:27 RealBadAngel i used to be demoscene coder
14:27 RealBadAngel assembler only
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15:50 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
15:50 john_minetest Hello PilzAdam!
15:51 ShadowNinja Hello!
15:52 ShadowNinja Issue 454 can be closed I think
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15:54 PilzAdam thexyz, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=73250#p73250
15:57 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, done
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16:02 Jordach oh well, PC work up as expected
16:04 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=73255#p73255 - 1 post guy pwning all.
16:04 * Calinou rolls eyes like a phoronix forums smiley
16:04 Calinou "hey, how about you fix catalyst. :rolleyes:"
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16:11 troller PilzAdam, works, but missed some textures in inventory
16:12 Jordach hm? troller whats in the new stuff?
16:13 thexyz PilzAdam: http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/et/
16:13 MinetestBot GIT: xyzz commited to minetest/minetest: Add Estonian language template 3823878305 2013-03-01T08:12:19-08:00 http://git.io/VWcRJg
16:14 thexyz fuck
16:14 thexyz sfan5: disable bot's "ai"
16:14 troller Jordach, im about PilzAdam's build
16:14 sfan5 thexyz: its not enabled
16:14 thexyz hi
16:14 MinetestBot hi thexyz
16:14 sfan5 oh
16:14 sfan5 !ar disable
16:14 MinetestBot AR disabled.
16:14 sfan5 you can do it yourself
16:14 sfan5 (if you need to)
16:16 Jordach UBUNTU SOFTWARE CENTRE! I CHOOSE YOU!
16:21 celeron55 sfan5: you should probably completely remove it altogether, it's horrible and utterly useless
16:21 sfan5 ok
16:23 sfan5 done
16:23 Jordach "Twitter is over capacity." <- MY BIGGEST annoyance EVER.
16:24 sfan5 MinetestBot: quit
16:24 troller PilzAdam, but all ok on second run
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16:34 lumerianking OldCoder, you around?
16:34 Jordach lumerianking, which server is this?
16:35 lumerianking ?
16:35 lumerianking freenode
16:35 lumerianking lol
16:35 lumerianking <- anunakki
16:35 Jordach OH
16:35 Jordach i was just thinking about him right this second actually.
16:35 lumerianking its been a while, was hoping he wasnt idle, but i'll have to catch him at another time when i get home from work
16:35 lumerianking are you guys still running the europe server from my vps?
16:36 Jordach lumerianking, feel free to stop by, i'll hand out a highlight when he's abouty
16:36 Jordach -y
16:36 lumerianking alright, i probably wont be idling, due to work etc.. but i'll be back in a few hours, just let him know that i'm anunakki lol, my client crashes when i try to connect as anunakki for some weird reason
16:39 Jordach i really should do more of these: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=73271#p73271
16:39 VanessaE hi all.
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16:41 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest_game: Dont place doors if node under it has on_rightclick 6c70e0295a 2013-03-01T08:40:26-08:00 http://git.io/CZX9Hg
16:41 rubenwardy hi all
16:42 Jordach hai rubenwardy
16:42 Jordach hai VanessaE
16:42 sfan5 hi rubenwardy
16:42 sfan5 hi VanessaE
16:42 VanessaE heh, good timing huh :)
16:43 * PilzAdam reads 2 forum posts by Jordach – all capslock
16:43 Jordach PilzAdam, why not?
16:43 Jordach you need to learn monotomy isnt good
16:43 PilzAdam you normally dont shout at people
16:44 Jordach monotony*
16:44 Calinou Jordach: GNOME users totally agree
16:44 Jordach Calinou, *high five*
16:44 Jordach or: it broke my workflow!
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16:45 ShadowNinja repeat rightclick timer is slightly off, possibly due to new physics, it misses one every 15 nodes or so
16:46 PilzAdam not for me
16:46 PilzAdam (just tested)
16:46 PilzAdam have you changed the setting?
16:47 Jordach PilzAdam, better?
16:48 ShadowNinja no
16:48 ShadowNinja moving sideways
16:51 ShadowNinja actualy I was moving backwards and facing down
16:52 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, I tested moving sideways
16:52 ShadowNinja it took a lot longer sideways
16:55 VanessaE every so often it misses a block for me also, or did last time I did a long run
16:55 VanessaE about every 10 blocks, for me
16:55 Calinou http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/0.4.x-changelog.txt -- changelog updated a bit
16:55 Jordach heh.
16:55 Jordach filing a bug
16:58 thexyz Calinou: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
16:58 thexyz can you contribute here? kthx
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17:07 Jordach1 my died
17:07 Jordach1 my pc*
17:08 VanessaE well fix it dammit :)
17:08 Jordach1 VanessaE, the PC's emerge thread went pissy
17:08 VanessaE you're not running latest?
17:09 VanessaE emergethread is less pissy now
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17:10 Jordach there
17:10 VanessaE it still hangs up a little here and there but it's far more responsive than it used to be.
17:10 Calinou git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git && cd minetest/games && git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game && cd .. && cmake . -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 && cd src && make -j8 && cd ../bin && ./minetest
17:10 Calinou running this now :>
17:11 jin_xi is is  possible to use a different key for down and use? using multitools and fly is really stupid like this...
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17:13 VanessaE Calinou: please always include -DRUN_IN_PLACE=
17:13 VanessaE don't leave that out - for some people it causes weird installation issues
17:14 VanessaE jin_xi: turn off aux1 descends?
17:15 rubenwardy What would be the currect C++ type for a number variable with decimals and no signs?
17:15 Calinou VanessaE: works fine for me... it just puts user data in ~.minetest
17:15 rubenwardy unsigned float does not work
17:15 Calinou run in place is only useful for portable installs.
17:16 rubenwardy Calinou: I disagree
17:16 VanessaE Calinou: I know, but for some folks leaving that variable out (whether it's 1 or 0) causes weird install issues
17:16 VanessaE of course those people might just have been idiots too ;)
17:17 jin_xi VanessaE: thanks
17:18 VanessaE in a way I kinda wish the current defaults had always been there - I got so used to 'E' for descend that my fingers just refuse to work the shift key for that purpose :)
17:19 jin_xi pinky for down sucks, no matter what imo
17:19 jin_xi but i think there should be single seperate key for both use and down and none of that checkbox lets complect unrelated things stuff
17:19 VanessaE "C" might have made more sense than shift
17:20 jin_xi i mean not key but possibility to select which key
17:20 Calinou shift is a good sneak key
17:20 Calinou more and more games use it as default, including minecraft
17:20 VanessaE Calinou: for sneak yes, for descend?  hard to use.
17:20 jin_xi yeah, but sneak has nothing to do with down
17:20 Calinou for descend it's nice too
17:20 Calinou it can be used as an universal key
17:20 * Calinou removed his 124,4MB debug.txt
17:21 VanessaE one's pinky doesn't have much strength compared to other fingers, which makes it hard to use shift for such things
17:21 VanessaE that's nothing - my rollback log is 1.3 GB
17:21 VanessaE (!)
17:21 VanessaE the fucking MAP FILE is smaller than that
17:22 thexyz Calinou: now symlink it to /dev/null
17:22 thexyz or, well, disable logging
17:22 ShadowNinja mine is 3x the size of the map
17:23 VanessaE my map is only about 230 MB
17:23 VanessaE rollback log, 1.3GB
17:23 VanessaE what is wrong with this picture? :)
17:24 celeron55 by the way, some stuff for the murricans:  https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=9048
17:24 ShadowNinja the rollback log doesn't exactly use industry standard compression
17:25 VanessaE eek!  No wonder it's so huge
17:25 VanessaE there's WAY too much content here for the purpose
17:26 Jordach ...of actual rollback
17:26 VanessaE yes
17:26 VanessaE well "way too much" is probably an overstatement.
17:27 Jordach probably...not
17:27 VanessaE well
17:28 VanessaE I won't make any judgments, because someone will just shoot it down
17:28 * VanessaE rm's is.
17:28 VanessaE it
17:30 celeron55 the rollback feature of minetest is kind of in a proof-of-concept state, but was included because it does work adequately for certain purposes
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17:30 VanessaE oh I'm sure it does
17:30 VanessaE I'm just saying the log file is a little ...bloated :)
17:31 Jordach VanessaE, it needs to take a leaf from you, and lose a few pounds
17:31 Jordach :D
17:31 VanessaE :P
17:31 markveidemanis vanessae: its bigger because it has names:D
17:32 VanessaE it has lots of unnecessary quotation marks, brackets, spelled out actions add node (or whatever it was), etc
17:33 VanessaE and some values in each entry look like they're redundant (at least for the dozen or so lines I looked at)
17:33 VanessaE the log could be compacted somewhat without actually compressing it as such
17:34 celeron55 removing quotation marks in some cases is nonsense
17:34 celeron55 but having a way for saying eg. "same value as on previous line" could make sense
17:34 VanessaE why?  if you create the file, by definition you already know the format
17:35 VanessaE this is a case where positional unquoted fields make sense, imho
17:35 VanessaE why waste space on parenthesis around the coords, for example?
17:35 VanessaE or spelling out "player:" in front of the player's name, when it could just be "P:"
17:37 Jordach VanessaE, go fix the rollback then
17:37 VanessaE no
17:37 VanessaE my "fixes" will just be shot down
17:38 celeron55 i'm choosing between saying "go to hell" and "i'll just go to hell"
17:38 VanessaE how about "I don't like that idea.  It stays the way it is."
17:39 Jordach ...and this is the problem
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17:40 celeron55 do you understand this is a file format with existing files, and by doing those changes you would have to leave full support for all that was before too?
17:40 celeron55 and that it would not actually bring any considerable space saving anyway
17:40 thexyz or just write a converter
17:40 VanessaE or you could just discard the old format, tell everyone to just delete their rollback.txt and let it start over?
17:40 thexyz wow
17:41 thexyz that's evil
17:41 VanessaE it's not like it's a fucking critical component or something
17:41 thexyz don't do that
17:41 FreeFull Format for what? Maps?
17:41 thexyz backwards compatibility is very damn important
17:41 VanessaE for rollback.txt?
17:41 VanessaE o.O
17:41 thexyz for pretty much anything
17:42 VanessaE well for many things, sure.
17:42 Jordach celeron55, minetest.conf new_type_rollback = false
17:42 Jordach problemo solved]
17:42 FreeFull Could write a separate tool to convert old format to new
17:42 VanessaE but we got by for a long time without even having rollback at all.  Ripping up the existing format for something that doesn't eat 5 times as much space as the map file itself is not gonna cause any real problems afaics.
17:42 FreeFull Or backwards
17:43 celeron55 by the way, am i right to assume 98.28347% of the rollback file content is some stuff made by worldedit?
17:43 VanessaE dunno
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17:44 * Jordach has noticed something wrong with media playback
17:45 VanessaE a bug?  SAY IT AIN'T SO!! :)
17:45 celeron55 also, your real problem probably is just infinitely long rollback log; having it delete week old stuff would have you made not notice the file ever at all
17:45 Jordach my music seems oddly "sadder"
17:45 celeron55 (which it does not do, which is a lack of feature, which should be added)
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17:48 Jordach1 ugh. died again.
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17:48 khonkhortisan /unkill Jordach
17:48 khonkhortisan your cloak is slow
17:49 Jordach ...and
17:49 Jordach ShadowNinja moaned
17:49 khonkhortisan you actually said something before it activated
17:49 * Jordach DNGIF
17:49 Jordach OH FOR FUCK SAKES
17:50 Jordach fuck OAuth tokens by sudo apt-get upgrade <package>
17:50 khonkhortisan or zypper, or yum
17:50 Jordach Hotot BROKE AGAIN
17:51 Jordach also: Spotify should stop spinning core #1 at 28%
17:51 rubenwardy very wierd bug: https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator
17:52 rubenwardy no idea how to fix it
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17:53 Jordach OH CRAP.
17:53 Jordach Linux's emerge thread locked up
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18:19 john_minetest Hi rubenwardy.
18:27 rubenwardy hi
18:32 Calinou Jordach: blame flash/silverlight/java/whatever spotify uses for its DRM
18:32 Jordach Calinou, its HTTP streams
18:38 ShadowNinja bug in minetest: sometimes placing a node will replace the node that you are trying to place it on, I lost a chest from that once
18:39 VanessaE I can confirm that
18:39 VanessaE had it happen to me more times than I can count
18:39 ShadowNinja do you have any idea why?
18:40 Jordach hold right click to multi place
18:40 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts a kitten on the floor
18:40 VanessaE ShadowNinja: no idea.
18:41 MiJyn rubenwardy, I've been trying in vain to figure out how your app works
18:41 MiJyn how DOES it work?
18:41 rubenwardy I will do some docs
18:41 MiJyn ok
18:41 MiJyn all I figured how to do is move the camera and add a nodebox
18:42 ShadowNinja I found out that the masterserver counts you logging in to your own server multiple times
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18:45 rubenwardy oh, that is all you can do
18:46 MiJyn rubenwardy, oh, can you move it?
18:46 rubenwardy A/Z to resize by x, that is all it does
18:46 rubenwardy code structure docs: https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator/wiki/HowItWorks
18:47 MiJyn I like the animation there ^^
18:49 * MiJyn puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
18:55 rubenwardy it is not meant to glitch...
18:55 MiJyn lol i know... xD
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18:56 Traxie21 I has a question
18:56 Traxie21 Is there any way to determine what button was pressed in a formspec without knowning the name of the button?
18:56 VanessaE no clue
18:57 Traxie21 I'm making a page that shows all warps on the server
18:57 Traxie21 and I need it to warp when the button for a warp is clicked, but I cant find a way to determine what button was pressed
19:00 khonkhortisan it's not as simple as reading an array, it's fields.buttonname
19:01 Traxie21 Wait
19:01 Traxie21 I think I got it
19:04 * Jordach is going for virtualbox
19:04 Jordach (with windows xp sp3 for ITUNES...)
19:06 Traxie21 This is insane
19:06 Traxie21 I just have to check what button is pressed
19:06 Jordach thats MInetest
19:06 Traxie21 but I cant find the system that fields uses
19:09 MiJyn Traxie21, would the teleports mod help?
19:09 MiJyn I know they have something like that
19:09 MiJyn *it
19:09 Traxie21 No, I think i got it
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19:10 webdesigner97 hi
19:10 Traxie21 hai
19:10 khonkhortisan I have my buttons named L1-3 R1-3 so I check if fields.L1 elseif fields.L2 elseif...
19:10 Calinou Jordach: clementine all the way
19:10 Calinou ditch your ipad :3
19:10 Traxie21 Nvm, it works now
19:11 Jordach Calinou, its the best jukebox i got, and no, MPD is shit
19:11 * Calinou looks at c-fifty-five and says: "musicd"
19:11 Jordach (not to mention the games are actually good!)
19:11 * Jordach highlights that my music is DRM-FREE
19:11 khonkhortisan I don't think he can hear you when you say c-fifty-five
19:12 Jordach UHOH
19:13 Jordach Clementine Error
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19:13 Calinou clementine never crashed for me
19:13 Calinou or once, when doing something weird with the play list
19:13 * Jordach had the CPU Sucking Task Manager Open
19:14 Calinou thing currently sucking my CPU is teamspeak like always
19:14 Jordach <Calinou> thing currently sucking my CPU is teamspeak like always -- o.o
19:14 Jordach who dafuq uses teamspeak?
19:14 khonkhortisan bzflag riker cup uses teamspeak
19:15 Calinou some people in a french community of sauerbraten
19:15 Calinou even though the admin is paying a small license every year ;-;
19:15 khonkhortisan sauerbraten is similar to minetest in editable cubes
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19:23 Jordach 1) Install Xubuntu
19:23 Jordach 2) Install VirtualBox
19:23 Jordach 3) Get Windows XP DISC.
19:23 Jordach 4) Listen to music with Windows Media Player.
19:23 Jordach 5) Profit
19:25 Jordach Calinou,
19:25 Jordach ^^
19:25 STHGOM *4) Listen to music with VLC
19:26 * Jordach feels like god
19:26 STHGOM how would you know?
19:26 VanessaE 6) set up a digital loop and rip all your windows media/itunes/etc to MP3 :)
19:26 Calinou VLC is not good as a muci player :P
19:26 Calinou VanessaE: MP3? no, OGG or FLAC >:(
19:26 Jordach no. its pretty crap.
19:27 Jordach LOL FLAC
19:27 Calinou flac is big but nice
19:27 Calinou on good headphones you hear the difference
19:27 VanessaE ok ogg then, but flac is useless if you're starting from lossy compression anyway
19:27 Jordach i'd rather accept DOG SHIT than FLAC
19:27 Calinou but good ogg is enough most of the time
19:28 Jordach yes you heard, I'd rather take SHIT than FLAC.
19:28 Jordach ...and eat it too!
19:28 * Calinou eats flak
19:28 VanessaE what's wrong with flac?
19:28 STHGOM well old windows media player cant play OGG
19:28 STHGOM *OO
19:28 Jordach huge, waste of disc...just like rollback logs
19:29 STHGOM **OOG
19:29 Jordach ***ogg
19:29 STHGOM haha
19:29 STHGOM :P
19:29 Jordach anyways, i leik MP3
19:29 VanessaE well yeah flac takes quite a bit of disk space, but that's because it's lossless :)
19:29 STHGOM i forgot twice
19:29 Calinou OGG has better compression of MP3 :P
19:29 * Jordach is a ehm-pee-freetard
19:29 Calinou than*
19:29 VanessaE in practice, 320kbps MP3 or quality 10 ogg is indistinguishable from uncompressed anyway
19:29 Calinou STHGOM: WMP could never play OGG
19:29 Calinou that
19:30 Jordach Calinou, K-Lite video codec
19:30 Jordach comes with FF-MPEG
19:30 STHGOM oky dan VLC is bettr
19:30 sfan5 meow!meow!meow!
19:30 STHGOM i wsnt sure
19:30 * PilzAdam prefers Minetest to listen to OGGs
19:30 sfan5 meow!... meow!
19:30 sfan5 meow!
19:30 STHGOM RRAAAAAARRHHHH
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19:31 * Jordach feels old
19:31 VanessaE you ARE old.
19:31 VanessaE ;)
19:31 VanessaE of course, so am I.  yesterday was my 39th :-S
19:32 STHGOM he IS?!?!?
19:32 Jordach STHGOM, nope. 16.8
19:32 Calinou oh, happy birthday then :p
19:32 STHGOM happy birthday
19:32 VanessaE thanks
19:32 Calinou mine is in 1 week
19:32 STHGOM i younger dan you both
19:32 VanessaE for my birthday present, I bought myself 16GB of DDR3/1333 :-)
19:32 Calinou I'll be born in 1988 instead of 1987 in one week :)
19:32 * Jordach didnt expect that
19:32 STHGOM i 3
19:32 Calinou better buy 1866mhz one instead, it's only 10 euros expensive per 8GB on average :P
19:33 STHGOM :D
19:33 * Calinou sees no use for 16GB of RAM currently
19:33 Calinou RAMdisking huge minetest worlds? ;)
19:33 VanessaE Calinou: believe me, I can find uses for it :D
19:33 * Jordach coughs up a lung
19:34 Calinou or putting debug.txt in RAM
19:34 VanessaE heh
19:34 * Jordach coughs up a liver
19:34 STHGOM oooOOOooooo
19:34 STHGOM ooOOOOOoo
19:34 VanessaE and in so doing, my hubby gets another 4GB in his box :-)
19:34 Jordach du du du du
19:34 VanessaE win-win :)
19:34 Jordach *repeats drumming*
19:35 STHGOM 30TB ram XD
19:35 Jordach Windows 2012 Server Datacentre ED. supports 4TB of ram
19:35 Calinou Z77 chipset mobos support 32GB at most, 64GB for X79 chipset
19:35 Jordach and infinite amount of CPUs.
19:35 Calinou 64GB is max amount with 32 bit PAE
19:35 VanessaE Calinou: besides, it was only $77.  I wanted a moderate boost, and my machine maxes at 16GB anyway, so I couldn't pass up a deal like that :)
19:36 STHGOM :(
19:36 * Calinou wouldn't be surprised to see "private copy tax" on RAM soon
19:36 Calinou in france, anything where you can put stuff = tax to pay "artists" (lol)
19:36 Jordach VanessaE, i wouldnt be surprised if they added RAM pointer DRM
19:36 Calinou RAM doesn't have that tax currently :P
19:37 Jordach Calinou, FIndus some RAM burgers
19:37 VanessaE if they wanna charge me extra for having lots of RAM, they can kiss my rosy red ass.
19:37 Jordach find us*
19:37 STHGOM how you make different player in minetest 4.4
19:37 Calinou 0.4.4*
19:37 STHGOM 0.4.4
19:38 * Jordach wants a minetest birthday commit
19:38 STHGOM 0.0.0.0.4.4
19:38 Jordach ^^ Shit versioning
19:38 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/5577219/
19:38 Calinou (in #redeclipse)
19:39 sfan5 you died?
19:39 Jordach aO.O
19:39 Jordach -a
19:40 Jordach Calinou, judge me!
19:41 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/5577229/
19:41 Jordach but why the kick?
19:42 Calinou because 1) you aren't in the channel 2) no luck :P
19:42 Jordach Calinou, i was actually
19:43 Calinou oh
19:43 Jordach <redroid> Calinou: A total of 289 people have been killed in the name of the law
19:43 Calinou dinner, bye
19:44 * Jordach watches windows xp setup and sees FAX SUPPORT
19:45 berome fax support ? => chéguette .... (enormous epic win)
19:45 khonkhortisan I have a fax machine in the garage
19:46 berome yes , serious respect
19:46 berome 3 D printer is better, but more expensive ...
19:46 khonkhortisan When the 3D printer breaks, just print out more parts.
19:47 OldCoder Hi
19:47 OldCoder I will be here later today
19:47 khonkhortisan Hello OldCoder
19:47 OldCoder o/
19:47 avi_ if you can print on cardboard
19:47 avi_ you have a cheap 3D printer
19:47 berome hi all :-)
19:47 avi_ YOu just need scissor dexterity
19:47 avi_ slice your object into N layers and cut it out
19:47 khonkhortisan probably just a motorized arm with a model knife
19:48 avi_ well a laser cutter or cnc would work
19:48 khonkhortisan laser cutting cardboard? :)
19:48 sfan5 i'm looking for a video codec that is easy to use for the programmer
19:48 avi_ if you supervise it and tune it appropriately? sure
19:48 avi_ sfan5: opencv already provides most ffmpeg bindings
19:49 avi_ sfan5: if you want per frame access, opencv does it
19:49 sfan5 !g opencv
19:49 MinetestBot sfan5: http://opencv.willowgarage.com/
19:49 sfan5 let me see
19:49 berome Jordach: that's was a joke, of course; I like idea you are try some GNU/Linux stuffs
19:50 berome khonkhortisan: I was serious
19:50 avi_ sfan5: https://github.com/abramhindle/Video-Score-Gen check the .cpp files out
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19:51 Jordach berome, hm?
19:52 sfan5 avi_: what does Video-Score-Gen do exactly?
19:52 berome Jordach: nothing important
19:52 berome :-)
19:52 avi_ sfan5: it watches a video, produces statistics and then makes a musical score associated with the video
19:52 avi_ sfan5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiE-WCG7SHQ
19:53 avi_ sfan5: I give it my buddy's video as input, and it produces the music based on the properties and motion of the video
19:53 sfan5 i don't know if my ears will like that ;)
19:53 avi_ probably not...
19:53 Jordach tch. IE6 crash.
19:53 Jordach no biggie
19:53 avi_ my tastes are pretty dissonant
19:53 sfan5 that sounds like a train
19:54 avi_ sfan5: some events are in time with events in the video
19:54 sfan5 ..stopping at a train station
19:54 avi_ sfan5: all I did was provide some thresholds and equations
19:54 avi_ sfan5: so the computer makes music based on video
19:54 avi_ sfan5: opencv is a nice framework
19:54 avi_ gtg
19:54 avi_ ttyl sfan5
19:55 Jordach OMFG. IE6 Displaying fancy features.
19:55 Traxie21 ServerExtended updated with a GUI warp list! (Unstable Branch)
19:56 berome (bye, not enough cared "random people of internet")
19:56 Jordach IE6 = crash. crash. crash.
19:58 khonkhortisan I can't jump if I'm standing on the very corner of a node
19:59 khonkhortisan it's weird, the jump radius is smaller than the fall radius
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20:13 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts a puppy on MinetestBot's head
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20:13 NekoGloop|Laptop Ok, don't want it then?
20:14 khonkhortisan hi MinetestBot
20:14 MinetestBot Hey khonkhortisan
20:15 * MiJyn places a kitten on MinetestBot's head
20:15 * MiJyn puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
20:15 * MiJyn puts a kitty on MinetestBot's head
20:15 MiJyn ?
20:15 * khonkhortisan watches the puppy and kitten on MinetestBot's head
20:17 * STHGOM watched khonkhortisan watch the kitten on MinetestBots' head
20:17 khonkhortisan looks like I can edit a text file right on github, but I can't upload a changed image on github.
20:18 PilzAdam VanessaE, the public server list says that one need a password for your server
20:18 VanessaE correct.
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20:18 VanessaE I don't allow passwordless logins
20:18 VanessaE so just sign in and make one.
20:19 khonkhortisan I wouldn't allow passwordless either
20:19 PilzAdam I just wanted to check if the code is correct
20:19 khonkhortisan I want to know someone is the same person
20:19 VanessaE oh ok
20:19 VanessaE yeah
20:21 PilzAdam proller, are you arround?
20:21 proller me
20:21 PilzAdam why do you need server_dedicated in the settings?
20:21 proller only for sending to master
20:22 proller maybe better make it via global var
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20:24 * Jordach is working on Faithful 2.0..NOW WITH LESS BLUR
20:24 sfan5 MiJyn: autoresp module got deleted by celeron55's request
20:28 khonkhortisan All I need is the link and it highlights the name: https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/pull/5
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20:31 khonkhortisan Swipe has the images on the opposite sides as 2-up and Onion Skin compares do
20:32 khonkhortisan never mind, they're on the right side but the slider goes the other way
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20:33 Obstru Hello all !
20:33 khonkhortisan Hi
20:33 khonkhortisan MinetestBot is being lazy
20:34 Obstru On what server are you playing ?
20:34 STHGOM halooo
20:34 khonkhortisan I'm not personally, I'm making rail conductive.
20:35 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/Hzbdlqq.png I must be bricking it
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20:36 Obstru what's the id to the server halo ?
20:36 khonkhortisan that brick engraving must be the company logo
20:37 STHGOM you mean like servers.minetest.ru ?
20:39 Obstru yes exactly
20:40 sfan5 khonkhortisan: <sfan5> MiJyn: autoresp module got deleted by celeron55's request
20:41 MiJyn sfan5, that's cruel! WE NEED AUTORESP!
20:41 sfan5 tell that celeron
20:42 MiJyn http://poll.pollcode.com/uy5giq
20:42 MiJyn there
20:42 STHGOM i play on minetest.org: 30015
20:43 khonkhortisan what autoresp?
20:43 VanessaE sfan5: having problems?
20:43 sfan5 yes
20:43 khonkhortisan oh.
20:43 sfan5 minetest/src/client.cpp:1716: void Client::ProcessData(irr::u8*, irr::u32, irr::u16): Assertion '!m_mesh_update_thread.IsRunning()' failed.
20:44 sfan5 VanessaE: does your server use curl for media downloads?
20:45 VanessaE nope, too lazy to set it up
20:45 Obstru In minetest can we choose a map ?
20:45 VanessaE (and kinda stubborn, to be honest, that kinda stuff belongs in the engine, not in some third-party program)
20:45 STHGOM you can chose the server
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20:45 VanessaE yes I know
20:45 VanessaE oh, nevermind,.
20:46 Obstru yes, and how you know the map to the server ?
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20:47 STHGOM my in-game name is sparky
20:47 frogcrush Hi, my game is crashing (access violation) when I try to use creative mode and switch pages. Has anybody else had that?
20:47 Obstru Can you download map ? If you want create a server ?
20:52 sfan5 frogcrush: look at the github.com/minetest/minetest bugtracker
20:55 MiJyn just wondering, in what way is minetest a game engine?
20:55 khonkhortisan all the cubes can be changed
20:57 MiJyn so it's a moddable game
20:57 MiJyn right?
20:57 MiJyn my question is: how is it a game ENGINE?
20:58 MiJyn put really simply, all you can _really_ do is add new blocks
20:58 MiJyn (blocks includes nodes, items, entities, etc...)
20:58 MiJyn or edit (which is essentially the same as adding a new block)
20:58 MiJyn you can't change the HUD, you can't change how the game behaves
20:59 MiJyn honestly
21:02 VanessaE MiJyn: http://dev.minetest.net/TODO#TODO_in_minetest_game
21:03 VanessaE if you look, you'll notice the TODO has those things already listed
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21:03 khonkhortisan PilzAdam, still there?
21:05 Jordach PilzAdam is sleeping
21:06 MiJyn VanessaE, that's not my point
21:06 khonkhortisan My pull request scared him off
21:06 RealBadAngel ha, funny thing
21:07 khonkhortisan I split my commit into two, and that's the smaller part
21:07 MiJyn it's just that... it's not a game engine... it's a moddable game
21:07 RealBadAngel minetest is able to play local sounds, without caching them
21:07 VanessaE it would be more accurate to call it a sandbox engine perhaps, but you can modify the behavior to your heart's content, it's all a matter of imagination
21:07 RealBadAngel so ambience mod is able to play music only on client side
21:07 VanessaE look at the UFO mod for example
21:07 khonkhortisan that's the read-only section of the cache
21:08 MiJyn VanessaE, umm... you know what a game engine is, right?
21:08 VanessaE of course I do.
21:08 VanessaE which is why I just proposed a different term
21:08 khonkhortisan You can't make a fighter jet yet, the player won't do loop-de-loops or barrel rolls
21:08 Jordach WE SHOULD TOTALLY MAKE A VOXEL GAME IN UNREAL ENGINE
21:09 Jordach >:D
21:09 * Jordach heads off to bed
21:09 MiJyn VanessaE, oh, sandbox engine, right
21:09 MiJyn Jordach, haha, that would be funny
21:09 VanessaE but your argument is invalid - there's nothing stopping an experienced coder from making an entirely new game based off the minetest engine - it need not even have anything do DO with minetest and the like
21:09 khonkhortisan How do I "freeze" a pull request where further commits to the same branch won't get added?
21:10 Jordach khonkhortisan, don't commit to that one branch
21:10 Jordach simple.
21:10 MiJyn VanessaE, well, duh, he can fork it
21:10 MiJyn anyone can
21:10 MiJyn but then it would be a DIFFERENT game engine
21:10 khonkhortisan It would be more complicated if my second commit was added before the first. My first commit changes a file, the second moves it.
21:10 VanessaE um
21:10 VanessaE you take minetest, the engine, build a new Lua game on top of it
21:11 VanessaE 99% of the game's content is in Lua now anyway
21:11 khonkhortisan then make the lua game take mods written in c++
21:12 MiJyn lol...
21:12 sfan5 :D
21:13 MiJyn if you're gonna call minetest a game engine, you might as well call sauerbraten a game engine too
21:14 MiJyn honestly lol
21:14 sdzen I only bring up the whole minetest is an engine thing when I want to irritate people
21:14 sdzen I will never stop thinking of it as a game
21:14 MiJyn sdzen, same here
21:15 MiJyn I find it sort of silly to call it a game engine... before game engines were things like blender, unreal, cryengine, ogre3d, etc...
21:15 MiJyn now even things like amnesia are called engines :/
21:15 MiJyn and then someone's gonna tell me sauerbraten is an engine too?
21:16 khonkhortisan sauerbraten uses cube, same with assaultcube
21:16 MiJyn yeah, of course
21:16 MiJyn but sauerbraten is not lol
21:17 khonkhortisan that'd be like calling skyblock an engine
21:17 MiJyn yeah exactly
21:19 khonkhortisan Oh! I said that right when he wasn't here. "All I need is the link and it highlights the name: https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/pull/5"
21:21 RealBadAngel some is using ambience mod here?
21:21 khonkhortisan I was using it, not right now
21:22 RealBadAngel i just forced it to play locally stored music
21:22 * sokomine looks susupicously at all the bots around before considering greeting
21:22 sokomine h i everyone
21:22 khonkhortisan it's been turned off
21:22 VanessaE hey soko.
21:22 khonkhortisan hi all
21:22 khonkhortisan but it'll still respond if you address it directly
21:22 RealBadAngel so server doesnt have to send music files to the client
21:22 MiJyn hi MinetestBot
21:22 VanessaE piss off, MinetestBot
21:22 VanessaE ;)
21:22 MinetestBot Hi MiJyn!
21:22 MiJyn ah :)
21:23 RealBadAngel all what is needed to do is put the oggs in main game folder in /testsounds
21:24 RealBadAngel and rename them to name.0.ogg, name.1.ogg etc, up to .9.ogg
21:24 RealBadAngel and change filenames to be played in ambience mod
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21:25 sokomine ah, ok. so the bot behaves well now :-)
21:25 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L847
21:25 RealBadAngel all thx to this code
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21:45 Akerok hello.
21:46 john_minetest Hello Akerok.
21:46 STHGOM halloooo
21:46 Akerok Can anyone tell me why /clearobjects causes my server to take up all the ram on my computer and makes everything unstable?
21:47 NekoGloop|Laptop Because too many objects
21:47 VanessaE this is a known bug, no idea of any solution though
21:47 Akerok I shouldn't use it then, correct?
21:47 VanessaE usually it isn't needed
21:47 Akerok Or, will it fix itself?
21:50 VanessaE just leave it be, and if it bugs out, kill and restart your server (or game)
21:51 Akerok Ok.  What exactly is that command for?
21:51 VanessaE it deletes all entities in the map
21:52 VanessaE e.g. dropped items, mobs, etc
21:52 VanessaE it's normally intended for cleaning up when you have way too many in the map, or if some entity-based mod goes wrong
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21:52 Kacey hi all
21:52 VanessaE hey
21:53 STHGOM howdy
21:53 * Kacey had a mod idea earlier, but forgot :/
21:53 * khonkhortisan ran git commit --append
21:54 Kacey aah it wanst a mod idea, but an extension to technic, yes i remember now!
21:54 STHGOM aircraft?
21:54 Akerok Ok.  That's what I thought.  We have been having a big issue with dropping items.  They seem to go through the floor.  That's ok, though.  I will just restart the server if it gets buggy.
21:55 khonkhortisan I had to submit my pull request for "Files Changed" to notice my commit had changed
22:02 khonkhortisan :( git diff doesn't work after git add
22:06 thexyz git diff --staged
22:06 thexyz git diff --cached
22:07 proller git diff HEAD
22:07 khonkhortisan Well it should ask me if I meant that, instead of giving me a blank stare.
22:07 thexyz why?
22:07 khonkhortisan Because that's the same answer it gives me if there really _is_ no diff.
22:08 proller git diff origin/master
22:08 jfu how did i build a ropebox again?
22:08 NekoGloop|Laptop git explode
22:09 Kacey wood over 2 vines
22:09 jfu ok thx
22:09 khonkhortisan 'explode' is not a git command.
22:09 NekoGloop|Laptop like hell it isn
22:09 NekoGloop|Laptop 't
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22:20 STHGOM bye
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22:22 Kacey bbl
22:23 khonkhortisan I like how digging the sand under a rail makes the rail fall too
22:26 NekoGloop|Laptop Do falling nodes pull attached nodes?
22:26 khonkhortisan Rail falls when placed on airlike (includes mesecons)
22:28 NekoGloop|Laptop as dropped item or as node?
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22:30 khonkhortisan dropped item
22:33 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/mapp.zip
22:33 VanessaE khonkhortisan: use copper rails.
22:34 VanessaE those don't fall
22:34 RealBadAngel changed the map to be a tool
22:34 RealBadAngel works quite nice
22:35 khonkhortisan I forgot about those
22:36 khonkhortisan Copper rail also doesn't connect to other rail
22:39 VanessaE yeah I know
22:39 VanessaE Jeija has an engine patch waiting that'll fix that
22:39 khonkhortisan I'm fixing all the rail I can find to use that patch
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22:40 khonkhortisan I want a transportation system for a museum of mesecon machines
22:44 jin_xi was just testing the mapp thing, it is nice
22:44 khonkhortisan copper rail is slightly less useful if I have to build a bridge anyway to get a mesecon signal across
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22:46 khonkhortisan Has anyone done diagonal rail?
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22:50 kaeza _hi all_
22:50 khonkhortisan it's off
22:50 Exio hey kaeza
22:50 kaeza sup Exio?
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22:51 Exio i was playing RE, now, ehm, doing nothing ^^, you?
22:54 khonkhortisan mesecons have a temporary maximum signal distance
22:55 Deivan How I make a mod start before all others?
22:56 khonkhortisan There should be a different solution
23:01 VanessaE Deivan: make "default" depend on it ;-)
23:02 khonkhortisan that'll work
23:02 Deivan To invasive... Hehehe.
23:02 Deivan Ok.
23:02 Deivan Thanks.
23:04 VanessaE well, wouldn't it be just a one-line change?
23:04 VanessaE surely default has a depends.txt
23:05 Deivan You use the unified mod in your server no?
23:05 Deivan The crafting guide, my project now have many similarities to this mod.
23:06 Deivan But, sometimes I have less itens in the craft list than the total.
23:06 Deivan Then I make my own function but I don't have all recipes.
23:06 Deivan The overrite of the register function only work after the load then all registered itens before it will be lost.
23:06 Deivan :-/
23:07 Deivan I need a better API.  :-P
23:07 VanessaE RealBadAngel solved that by adding a mod to act as a hook, named aaa_recipeshook
23:07 VanessaE the theory was that mods were loaded in alpha order, dependencies aside
23:08 VanessaE so this one would, in theory, always load first.
23:08 Deivan Nice.
23:08 Deivan Have a tutorial to it?
23:08 VanessaE no, sorry
23:08 Deivan To bad.
23:08 Deivan Have a mod doing it?
23:08 Deivan unified?
23:08 VanessaE just try it like that, name it aaaa_mymod
23:08 Deivan Now I understood your point...
23:09 Deivan I will try it.
23:09 Deivan Thanks.
23:09 Deivan (I need a better api...)
23:09 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/master/aaa_recipeshook/init.lua
23:09 kaeza Exio: RE? Which one?
23:09 Deivan Thanks.
23:10 Exio kaeza: RedEclipse :P
23:10 kaeza ah lol
23:10 kaeza thought you meant Resident Evil
23:10 Deivan You code is the same of from the crafting guide.
23:10 Exio is it opensource, runs on linux and that stuff?
23:10 Deivan I try the rename possibility then.
23:10 Exio >:D
23:10 Deivan Thanks.
23:10 Deivan AFK
23:11 RealBadAngel UI is a rework of cornernote's mods
23:12 Deivan A doubt...  What happend if two mods try override the register function?
23:12 kaeza Exio, open source: no, runs on linux: yes
23:12 Exio kaeza: with our w/o wine? :P
23:12 Deivan Wine is very cool. :D
23:12 Exio with or *
23:13 kaeza Exio, ePSXe :P
23:13 Exio atm i haz wine only for stranded
23:13 Deivan Very cool to. :d
23:13 Exio i love that game
23:13 Deivan Emulation make possible to me play Vandal Hears to the end. :D
23:13 NekoGloop|Laptop ePSXe ftw :D
23:14 * NekoGloop|Laptop is playing an FFT mod
23:14 kaeza Exio, There's also am unreleased version or Resident Evil for the NES
23:14 kaeza an*
23:14 Deivan 8 bits nes?
23:14 Deivan Oo
23:14 kaeza yep
23:14 Deivan :-o
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23:14 Exio what about my sega?
23:14 jojoa1997 Hi all!
23:14 VanessaE hey
23:14 Exio hey jojoa
23:15 jojoa1997 What painting programs do you use
23:15 Deivan Resident Evil come after the end of the 8bits, is a hack game?
23:15 Exio jojoa1997: mypaint, pinta, gimp
23:15 Exio and so on
23:15 jojoa1997 my current one is good for pixel art but bad for editing
23:15 NekoGloop|Laptop I can emulate a NDS on my pc. Suck it.
23:15 Deivan Use gimp + inkscape. :d
23:15 kaeza Deivan, google "Biohazard for NES" (Biohazard is the JAP name or Resident Evil)
23:15 Exio for*?
23:15 kaeza for*
23:15 Deivan I remember this name...
23:15 Exio :P
23:16 jojoa1997 i have gimp but cant figure out how to make the paint brush only do one pixel and also to choose the colors
23:16 kaeza jojoa1997, tick "hard borders"
23:16 kaeza or smth like that
23:16 jojoa1997 kaeza?
23:16 Exio kaeza: google ☣
23:17 Deivan Is a hack game...
23:17 Deivan Made by some crazy fan.
23:17 Deivan :d
23:17 jojoa1997 i will just try to find a different one than gimp
23:17 kaeza yep
23:17 Deivan inkscape?
23:17 kaeza jojoa1997, ASEprite <3
23:17 Exio use ms paint
23:17 jojoa1997 no
23:17 Exio or better, POWERPOINT
23:17 Exio >:D
23:17 Deivan oO
23:17 Exio jk :P
23:18 jojoa1997 mspaint doesnt have background clear by defau;t
23:18 kaeza fuck that! I use notepad to edit my images
23:18 Deivan I have work to do...  But is a nice chanell. :d
23:18 Deivan AFK
23:18 NekoGloop|Laptop I use notepad for-- DAMMIT
23:18 Exio kaeza: why notepad, microsoft word is better!
23:19 jojoa1997 Vanessae i checked out ubuntu and i think i will stick with windows
23:19 VanessaE jojoa1997: suit yourself
23:19 NekoGloop|Laptop I have a better one
23:19 NekoGloop|Laptop I use minetest to edit images.
23:19 VanessaE I've been using linux for longer than I can remember.
23:19 Exio NekoGloop|Laptop: we use your for editing images!
23:19 Exio you*
23:20 jojoa1997 i would like to download and actually test it but i dont have a flashdrive and i dont want to mess around with the hardrive until i actually own the computer
23:20 VanessaE jojoa1997: burn it to a CD or DVD
23:20 MiJyn Exio, I use kittens to edit images
23:20 jojoa1997 VanessaE: until i actually own the computer
23:20 jojoa1997 it is mine but my mom owns it
23:21 VanessaE jojoa1997: you can run it from CD/DVD.  works the same way as running it from a thumbdrive, just slower.
23:21 jojoa1997 in 2 more years it is mine XD
23:21 VanessaE (you just can't save anything)
23:21 PilzAdam who hightlighted me?
23:21 jojoa1997 no it is my mom that is the problme
23:21 Exio jojoa1997: you can use it in the livecd
23:21 MiJyn jojoa1997, why don't you just buy one?
23:21 Exio without installing it
23:21 VanessaE PilzAdam: (random highlight, just because)... not me
23:21 VanessaE :)
23:21 Exio and btw, get some money and buy an APU
23:21 MiJyn PilzAdam, ME! :P JK
23:22 MiJyn not me
23:22 Exio in my backlog
23:22 jojoa1997 Exio: livecd? MiJyn: i dont have a job and my parents are not rich
23:22 Exio [18:03:24]*<khonkhortisan> PilzAdam, still there?
23:22 Exio [18:05:39]*<Jordach> PilzAdam is sleeping
23:22 kaeza MiJyn, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/6901202688.gif
23:22 PilzAdam if anyone is interested in what I have done the last 2h 1m: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/77927690/2/265755239/
23:23 jojoa1997 kaeza that your cat?
23:23 MiJyn jojoa1997, oh
23:23 VanessaE kaeza: haha
23:23 kaeza Re: <MiJyn> Exio, I use kittens to edit images
23:23 MiJyn kaeza, https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CDIQtwIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DoHg5SJYRHA0&amp;ei=gjgxUZDuKtOpqwGxkICAAQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNEcy3X8QxEz3ZqmxAznmt4YfNijBQ&amp;sig2=gFdnbDQe6pMDtD6VKTJQag&amp;bvm=bv.43148975,d.aWM
23:23 MiJyn oops
23:23 MiJyn whatever
23:24 MiJyn kaeza, oh, I see...
23:24 jojoa1997 o.o o.o o.o o.o o.O O.o o.O o.O O.o O.O O.O 0.0 0.0 0.0.0 0.0
23:24 kaeza frak
23:24 VanessaE *real* artists ask Chuck Norris, who just has to look at the computer just right to get the pixels to arrange themselves.
23:24 kaeza can't believe I fell for that one :P
23:24 Exio i love flash
23:25 MiJyn kaeza, haha
23:25 khonkhortisan PilzAdam, it was me. I have a pull request for carts.
23:25 MiJyn VanessaE, ah, yes, of course
23:26 * jojoa1997 = Chuck Norris yall = GONE
23:27 * kaeza extends his third hand to high five PilzAdam
23:27 kaeza :P
23:27 Exio JS + flash = 3 GB ram usage + 100% always in one core
23:27 * NekoGloop|Laptop uses butterflies to edit images
23:27 khonkhortisan I was waiting for the butterflies
23:27 MiJyn NekoGloop|
23:27 khonkhortisan |Laptop
23:27 MiJyn yeah, missed that one :P
23:28 MiJyn was that like an MLP reference? xD
23:28 NekoGloop|Laptop ew.
23:28 NekoGloop|Laptop gtfo
23:28 NekoGloop|Laptop NOW.
23:28 khonkhortisan dunno
23:28 kaeza MiJyn, N<Tab>
23:28 MiJyn NekoGloop|Laptop: issue with that? xD
23:28 MiJyn kaeza: thanks xD
23:28 NekoGloop|Laptop YES. G.T.F.O.
23:28 MiJyn NekoGloop|Laptop: What's your issue?
23:29 khonkhortisan Something can only be so cute before it gets ugly
23:29 NekoGloop|Laptop You dare insult me
23:29 MiJyn NekoGloop|Laptop: It's not an insult... it's an epic TV show!
23:29 jojoa1997 in my paint can i have the backgroung transparent like github
23:29 MiJyn khonkhortisan: ?
23:29 khonkhortisan Not specifically about that show, but I've heard something about overcuteness being bad
23:31 MiJyn khonkhortisan: ah, you haven't watched it yet... you got to!
23:31 khonkhortisan I haven't.
23:31 NekoGloop|Laptop I'd call him gay but then I'd be insulting homosexuals.
23:32 khonkhortisan ^ saying he's lower than the gay
23:32 NekoGloop|Laptop Actually I'm saying I have a higher opinion of homosexuals than you do.
23:33 MiJyn come on guys, you just gotta watch and enjoy the show
23:33 khonkhortisan same thing, gay > MiJyn, wherever those values actually land
23:33 MiJyn I love horror movies... and I love MLP
23:33 MiJyn issue?
23:33 NekoGloop|Laptop If I wanna hear high pitched girly voices I'd go to an orphanage.
23:34 khonkhortisan I'd prefer medical surgery blood over horror movie ketchup
23:34 MiJyn NekoGloop|Laptop: ugh... people these days...
23:34 MiJyn khonkhortisan: horror movie KETCHUP?
23:35 khonkhortisan monsters inside me, mystery diagnosis x, untold stories of the er, etc.
23:35 khonkhortisan Well, not exactly ketchup, but not all of it looks real.
23:36 MiJyn oh
23:36 MiJyn xD
23:37 NekoGloop|Laptop Trust me... the art in MLP is better than the story which is better than the voice acting.
23:37 NekoGloop|Laptop And the art is horrible.
23:38 MiJyn NekoGloop|Laptop: Hmm, the voice acting is actually pretty good, the story, yeah, is horrible. What makes it cool is how it portrays each character
23:39 MiJyn it takes pretty much the 6 types of people these days, and exaggerates them
23:39 MiJyn and then builds its story off of that
23:39 NekoGloop|Laptop Oh, well there's the difference between you and me.
23:39 NekoGloop|Laptop You think people can be defined in sets.
23:39 MiJyn there is :)
23:39 MiJyn NekoGloop|Laptop: you know what I mean
23:40 NekoGloop|Laptop Oh I know exactly what you mean
23:41 MiJyn ok
23:41 * john_minetest puts a kitten on NekoGloop|Laptop's head
23:41 MiJyn great
23:41 * MiJyn puts fluttershy on NekoGloop|Laptop's head
23:41 * NekoGloop|Laptop shoots it with a shotgun
23:42 * MiJyn gathers the millions of MLP fans against you >:)
23:42 * NekoGloop|Laptop reloads shottie
23:44 MiJyn good luck
23:46 MiJyn talkinb about that, someone should _definitely_ make a MLP mod!
23:46 MiJyn *talking
23:46 * john_minetest makes ready the kitten cannon
23:47 * MiJyn calls Pinkie Pie to ready her party cannon
23:47 * john_minetest calls a kitten riding on a Robo-Unicorn. Beat that.
23:47 NekoGloop|Laptop * The horse takes a shit on MiJyn's foot
23:48 MiJyn john_minetest: hey, I'm not trying to beat you, we're working together, right?
23:48 MiJyn NekoGloop|Laptop: *hoof
23:49 NekoGloop|Laptop You're a fucking human. You don't have hooves.
23:49 john_minetest I am not contra MLP but pro kittens.
23:49 MiJyn NekoGloop|Laptop: I'm a brony
23:49 NekoGloop|Laptop I don't hate the show as much as I hate those who watch it...
23:49 NekoGloop|Laptop And you know how much I hate the show.
23:49 MiJyn and why?
23:50 NekoGloop|Laptop "lolz you should watch dis show it has poniez and you're stoopid if you don't watch it lolz"
23:50 MiJyn umm
23:50 MiJyn alright...
23:51 MiJyn you're closed-minded if you hate it without watching it
23:51 MiJyn that's what
23:51 NekoGloop|Laptop I *have* watched it...
23:51 NekoGloop|Laptop I don't hate on things without trying them.
23:52 MiJyn how many? 1?
23:52 NekoGloop|Laptop 2 episodes that were somewhat forced on me (long story)
23:52 MiJyn ah
23:52 MiJyn ok
23:52 MiJyn then that's fine
23:52 MiJyn just don't start saying it's stupid
23:52 MiJyn or people who watch it are "gay"
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23:58 NekoGloop|Laptop My problem is that people think that you HAVE TO WATCH IT.
23:58 NekoGloop|Laptop I *do not* watch girls' television shows.
23:59 MiJyn well, if you haven't, then I strongly recommend people to watch it
23:59 MiJyn if you have, then fine :)

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