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00:01 ShadowNinja Menche: bas080 says he didn't get any protect blocks on your server
00:01 Menche give_initial_stuff must have been disabled
00:01 Kacey there is a shop in the city hall
00:02 Menche he should have 10 now
00:03 NekoGloop|Laptop I didn't either.
00:03 Kacey there is a shop in the city hall
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00:09 NekoGloop|Laptop Win8 seems like it has some faults (what doesn't) but is overall good.
00:11 ShadowNinja menche: do you have a way of just getting the chat messages and not digging/placing messages?
00:11 Menche getting them out of the logs?
00:11 ShadowNinja no, just seeing them
00:12 Menche no
00:12 ShadowNinja maybe if you overode minetest.chat_send_all
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00:17 Menche how often is debug.txt written?
00:19 Menche if I "print" something in a mod, does that go into the debug.txt or just the console?
00:19 NekoGloop|Laptop No lag in MC with fancy graphics smooth lighting etc.
00:19 NekoGloop|Laptop This is beautiful. Fucking beautiful. My laptop is better than my PC.
00:22 hmmmm menche, printing in Lua goes to the "dstream", which goes to both the console and debug.txt by default
00:22 Menche ok thx
00:23 hmmmm "dstream", "errorstream" and "actionstream" are written to the console by default, and everything is written to debug.txt.  at least, this is the case for the release versions of minetest.  as of a week ago, the unstable git version doesn't log anything to debug.txt by default
00:24 NekoGloop|Laptop I guess this means I should be able to play MT with NO PROBLEMS. AT. ALL.
00:25 VanessaE NekoGloop|Laptop: now go to my server and drool ;)
00:25 VanessaE (because of how beautiful it is I mean)
00:25 NekoGloop|Laptop No, I seriously have shit I need to do.
00:25 VanessaE :(
00:25 NekoGloop|Laptop It was just bugging me to figure out if i could run MC
00:25 VanessaE MC????
00:25 VanessaE blasphemer
00:25 VanessaE :)
00:26 NekoGloop|Laptop MC and MT each have different appeal.
00:26 NekoGloop|Laptop in MT, it's more fun to create, while in MC, the goal is to survive.
00:26 VanessaE NekoGloop|Laptop: you haven't played using Pilzadam's simple mobs then ;)
00:27 Menche how do I make a .zip archive?
00:27 VanessaE as I understand, they make creepers look tame :)
00:27 NekoGloop|Laptop I've yet not been able to.
00:27 NekoGloop|Laptop :)
00:27 VanessaE Menche: zip -9r filename.zip /path/to/compress
00:27 VanessaE ;-)
00:27 Menche oh, reversed the output and input folder
00:28 VanessaE (well that's the linux way of doing it, I was only joking in general since I assumed you were on windows :-)  )
00:28 Menche windows?!?!? me?!?!
00:28 NekoGloop|Laptop I'm on windows. :3
00:28 Menche eeew
00:28 VanessaE well what do I know :)
00:28 NekoGloop|Laptop /foreveralone
00:29 VanessaE in which case that command is indeed correct
00:29 Menche only the finest Arch linux ;)
00:29 Menche yep, it worked, thanks
00:29 VanessaE of course if you wanted to be a pain in the ass:  tar jcvf filename.tar.bz2 /path/to/compress
00:29 VanessaE ;-)
00:29 khonkhortisan Where does minetest.setting_getbool() read from? env_meta? map_meta?
00:29 VanessaE (but I guess windows can handle those pretty easily too these days)
00:29 NekoGloop|Laptop I do believe i can.
00:29 Menche how is that a pain? only a few OS's can't decompress that
00:30 VanessaE Menche: a lot of win folks don't know how to handle a .zip file, much less a .tbz2
00:30 Menche only one, really
00:30 VanessaE I don't know why either, it's not hard to use google :)
00:30 ShadowNinja honkhortisan: minetest.conf
00:30 Menche of course, that one OS has like 80% market share or more :P
00:30 khonkhortisan Then what reads from the world?
00:31 ShadowNinja nothing that I know of atm
00:31 ShadowNinja you can save your own files in the world dir
00:31 khonkhortisan I want a flat world that doesn't destroy my other world
00:31 khonkhortisan s
00:32 ShadowNinja sapiers changes add that functionality however
00:32 NekoGloop|Laptop Menche, would that be osx?
00:32 Menche osx can't read .tar archives?
00:32 ShadowNinja set mg_params=flat
00:32 NekoGloop|Laptop dunno
00:32 Menche was referring to windows
00:32 ShadowNinja and remove it after creating the world
00:32 NekoGloop|Laptop as much as i hate linux, i hate osx more.
00:33 NekoGloop|Laptop and windows can't *natively* open .tar* archives.
00:33 NekoGloop|Laptop But there are plentiful programs that do so.
00:34 Menche VanessaE: does that command for zip use compression?
00:34 VanessaE Menche: the first one does, yeah
00:34 Menche i made a plain .tar file and it's smaller
00:34 VanessaE the second of course is tar + bzip2
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00:35 hmmmm lol
00:35 hmmmm first off it's my change, second of all it's mg_flags = flag
00:36 VanessaE Menche: you're doing it wrong :-)
00:36 hmmmm and that creates it with no trees or caves either so if you want those you'd have to add those with commas too
00:36 hmmmm mg_flags = flat, caves, trees
00:36 Menche ah, forgot the -9
00:36 VanessaE hmmmm: is it possible to specify that flag in a mod?
00:36 hmmmm no
00:37 VanessaE damn.
00:37 khonkhortisan create a new world, change it to mg_flags = flat, delete map.sqlite
00:37 VanessaE I'd like to be able to turn off default trees from within moretrees, but without the mapgen aliases
00:37 VanessaE (because otherwise the tree code still runs, even if it produces nothing visible)
00:39 khonkhortisan by the way, moretrees ignores the absence of mg_flags = trees
00:39 VanessaE that's because it was written before that flag was added.
00:39 VanessaE :)
00:39 VanessaE and I don't know how to access a config file variable from Lua
00:40 hmmmm minetest.setting_get("blah")
00:40 VanessaE hmmmm: that works with those world-specific mg_* settings?
00:40 hmmmm nope
00:40 VanessaE haha
00:40 hmmmm i wonder if there is a map_meta.txt one
00:40 VanessaE reading comprehension FAIL ;)
00:40 hmmmm probably not
00:40 hmmmm that is a config file variable though
00:40 NekoGloop|Laptop You could manually parse the file
00:40 hmmmm just not the per-world ones you want
00:41 VanessaE I'll look into it more later on
00:41 khonkhortisan There's this one white-bark tree that grows in completely flat land out of contempt for the other trees
00:42 hmmmm in fact it doesn't seem like there's no lua api to get the map seed either
00:42 hmmmm it seems like*
00:42 VanessaE well if Vadtec it able to get it done, moretrees will have at least one tree that grows on deserts out of contempt for their bareness ;)
00:43 hmmmm alright, looks like there's going to have to be a way to get/set map metadata from lua.....
00:43 VanessaE uh oh
00:43 Kacey Menche, i had an awesome idea for your server but remembered... no technic
00:43 VanessaE he's getting ideas... RUN FOR IT!
00:43 VanessaE ;)
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00:46 jfu anyone agrees that when hovering the mouse over a sign, the text should pop up in the center of the screen in a larger font?
00:46 ShadowNinja to anyone it may concern i have [ and ] working in formspecs by escaping them with &( and &), however I am not sure if I did this the best way so if you think I should do something differently please say so, you can see the diff here: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/compare/brackets_in_formspecs
00:46 NekoGloop|Laptop Maybe not the center of the screen but in a better font
00:46 VanessaE why not just use \ as escape?
00:46 ShadowNinja it is a lit harder than it sounds
00:47 ShadowNinja lot*
00:47 VanessaE well using & is bad
00:47 VanessaE because the who reason for [] was for that treegen mod
00:47 VanessaE which needs & as one of the lsystems symbols.
00:47 VanessaE whole*
00:47 ShadowNinja well I can easily change it to anything you like
00:47 VanessaE change ot ti \
00:47 VanessaE :-)
00:47 VanessaE G*d my typing is atrocious.
00:47 ShadowNinja sorry can't
00:48 VanessaE why?
00:48 Menche lua would interpret that as an escape sequence?
00:48 ShadowNinja that makes it a lot more complex
00:48 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
00:48 MinetestBot NekoGloop|Laptop: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens
00:48 ShadowNinja well \( and \) could work, is that ok?
00:49 ShadowNinja lol, talk to yourself
00:50 NekoGloop|Laptop ikr
00:50 ShadowNinja VanessaE: would that do?
00:50 VanessaE it seems to me that the proper way to handle this is for the engine to properly escape or quote strings being passed out of a formspec
00:51 VanessaE \( is better than "push" anyway
00:51 * ShadowNinja wants to rewrite formspecs to use xml
00:51 NekoGloop|Laptop ew
00:51 NekoGloop|Laptop kill it now!
00:52 VanessaE byte your tongue!
00:52 VanessaE XML!  no!
00:52 VanessaE bad boy!
00:53 NekoGloop|Laptop That's a bit of an attitude there, miss. (haha the humor)
00:54 ShadowNinja lol
00:54 ShadowNinja why not?
00:54 Kacey to bad we cannot teleport liquids yet...
00:54 VanessaE Kacey: in theory, you could.
00:54 Kacey how?
00:54 NekoGloop|Laptop That reminds me; I should test out tekkit on this thing.
00:54 VanessaE it's more a matter of the mod knowing to look for the presence of a liquid node placed on the teleporter pad
00:55 VanessaE then it's a small matter of remove_node() in one spot and add_node() at the destination.
00:55 VanessaE (then the destination loads)
00:55 VanessaE when*
00:55 Kacey not really what i was thinking...
00:56 Kacey i was thinking tanks(first off) and tesseracts that send the liquids from pipes to other tesseracts
00:56 VanessaE tesseracts?
00:56 VanessaE hypercubes?
00:57 Kacey ya
00:57 ShadowNinja 4 dimensional cubes?
00:57 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3jybMloh68 basic idea shown here
00:58 VanessaE *watches*
00:58 VanessaE where? that's a 33-minute vide
00:58 VanessaE video
00:59 Kacey at about 10 minutes but they show some before
01:00 NekoGloop|Laptop yay direwolf :D
01:01 Kacey lol
01:01 Kacey something is eating my internet...
01:02 NekoGloop|Laptop I AM.
01:02 NekoGloop|Laptop OM NOM NOM.
01:02 Kacey it must be salty
01:03 VanessaE *confused*
01:03 VanessaE that video doesn't explain it too well for me.
01:03 * VanessaE shrugs
01:03 VanessaE most MC videos spend too much time showing how to build something and not enough time showing how it *works*
01:03 VanessaE or what it *does*
01:03 NekoGloop|Laptop VanessaE, basically you pipe in water/lava/etc and you get it out the other one that's on the same "frequency"
01:04 VanessaE NekoGloop|Laptop: so like, teleporter tubes.
01:04 VanessaE pipeworks has those
01:04 ShadowNinja I think it is like teleport tubes but with pipes
01:04 VanessaE you just need to translate the received water entities back into nodes.
01:05 Kacey ^^ yes exactly
01:05 Kacey and then tanks
01:05 VanessaE tanks...well
01:05 VanessaE someone can make those work if they want to
01:05 VanessaE pretty easy really
01:05 khonkhortisan minetest will be more playable when the inventory textures don't corrupt, the settings are accessible in-game, and nodes can be rotated 90° any direction.
01:05 VanessaE all you need is any device to receive water from a pipe and send it out over a teleporter tube as a water entity
01:05 VanessaE this would be pretty trivial
01:06 VanessaE khonkhortisan: that last part, RBA almost has working
01:06 ShadowNinja and sound has been added to the menu recently
01:07 khonkhortisan still need keyboard controls there
01:07 ShadowNinja also when texture atlas is off I don't notice any coruption
01:07 khonkhortisan then you don't have enough mods
01:08 ShadowNinja I have used a 512x texture pack, breaks everything with it on but with it off there is none
01:10 ShadowNinja do you have texture atlas on?
01:10 khonkhortisan no.
01:10 khonkhortisan I don't know whether Preload item visuals is a good thing or not
01:10 VanessaE I can't even run 512HD anymore.  Not enough RAM on my system.
01:10 khonkhortisan I have 2 RAM
01:10 NekoGloop|Laptop I have 4gb ram
01:11 VanessaE my server has enough mods/items defined that it exceeds my 4GB with 512HD enabled now.
01:11 ShadowNinja I keep it off, makes loading times terrible
01:11 khonkhortisan I _should_ have 4gb ram - if the other slots were filled
01:11 NekoGloop|Laptop Also I should no longer get texture glitches with preload item visuals; my graphics card was made in this century :D
01:11 khonkhortisan I think I can go as high as 16
01:12 khonkhortisan I have a geforce gt 630 and it came in a cool box
01:12 khonkhortisan my computer has the same amount of memory as my graphics card :)
01:13 VanessaE jeez, 4GB of DDR3/1600 is only $20?
01:13 VanessaE http://www.portatech.com/catalog/memory.asp?id=1636
01:13 VanessaE (interesting, that's also who I got my machine from originally)
01:14 ShadowNinja OldCoder and Jordach have their cloaks messed up
01:15 ShadowNinja they must have auto-join on
01:17 VanessaE of course that's only for 1 stick, so no dual-channel there.  hm..  8GB stick for $33..  a pair of those would suite me nicely :D
01:17 * Kacey needs to find RAM "squares" for his netbook
01:18 NekoGloop|Laptop 32 GB USB drives go for about ~$50
01:18 VanessaE looks like my machine can max out at 16GB, and I have four slots, so I'd probably want four 4GB sticks, yes?
01:19 VanessaE NekoGloop|Laptop: naw, screw that, best buy has 8GB on sale for like $7 right now.
01:19 VanessaE (who wants to pay twice the price per gig just to get it all in one drive.  blah)
01:19 NekoGloop|Laptop I do believe 64 GB ones go for about $70?
01:20 ShadowNinja 4 would be great
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01:24 NekoGloop|Laptop Yay for already using up 80 GB in my harddrive!
01:24 khonkhortisan Are rail carts in a stable state?
01:25 khonkhortisan minetest would save more world space if it only saved the nodes that differed from what was generated by seed.
01:27 ShadowNinja that would cause minetest to lag terribly
01:29 * NekoGloop|Laptop throws pie around
01:29 khonkhortisan it could be an option
01:30 VanessaE good G*d, you can still by PC133 DIMMs?
01:30 VanessaE ok, time to go exercise.
01:30 VanessaE bbl
01:30 ShadowNinja you would have to megenerate the block and then apply all the changes over it, noone is going to write it if it is going to make minetest vastly slower just to save some disc space
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01:32 khonkhortisan What if it was only an export for sharing worlds?
01:32 leo_rockway joined #minetest
01:34 khonkhortisan it looks like I can only push a minecart when I'm not in it
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01:58 VanessaE well those were two sucky games.  bowled 224 and 196.  bleh.
02:00 VanessaE got a good workout though.
02:03 khonkhortisan How do I "kill" a cart?
02:03 VanessaE shift left click
02:04 NekoGloop|Laptop My cursor is now the buster sword from FF7
02:04 NekoGloop|Laptop My life is complete.
02:04 khonkhortisan I could've guessed that eventually, but the idea that it was impossible would've overtaken it.
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02:07 jordan4ibanez All print(dump(player:get_wielded_item())) gives me is <userdata> how do I print the name of the stack?
02:10 khonkhortisan :( I can't put mesecons under powered rail
02:11 hmmmm hey guys, let's talk about ore
02:11 Kacey mese
02:11 hmmmm do you like ore in the current minetest?
02:11 Kacey nyancat
02:11 hmmmm would you rather it be like it was back in the old days?
02:11 hmmmm where you had veins of ores
02:11 Kacey i do have veins
02:11 NekoGloop|Laptop VanessaE, what the hell is my password on your server?
02:11 Kacey even mithril
02:12 hmmmm i'm talking about coal and iron, not the moreores
02:12 Kacey but still
02:12 hmmmm you know how coal and iron are pretty uniformly scattered around
02:12 Kacey uniformly?
02:12 hmmmm yeah
02:13 Kacey i can dig forever and not find iron but when i do, MOTHERLOAD!!!!
02:13 Kacey but coal is WAAY to available
02:13 jordan4ibanez I'd rather have veins of it
02:14 jordan4ibanez Much more fun
02:14 hmmmm yeah
02:14 hmmmm so you like the old one better
02:14 Kacey a combination of the two
02:15 hmmmm so you'd rather something totally different?
02:15 hmmmm would you rather have it as an option?
02:15 Kacey idk
02:15 NekoGloop|Laptop Hey, i might be able to use shaders now :D
02:16 jordan4ibanez I'd rather have it as viens, I'd rather have it evenly distributed rather than there be more ore then stone below 20000
02:16 jordan4ibanez I don't think you should put it as an option so 2 different ore generators do not have to be worked on
02:17 hmmmm the ore generators i speak of don't need much work
02:17 hmmmm they're very simple
02:18 jordan4ibanez Then why even have another one?
02:18 NekoGloop|Laptop As long as you make it be exposed to mods
02:18 VanessaE NekoGloop|Laptop: dunno, want me to reset it?
02:18 hmmmm because people may want veins and other people may want it as it is right now
02:18 NekoGloop|Laptop VanessaE, please
02:19 jordan4ibanez Well move forward, if people like it how it is now then they will stay as it is in the current version.
02:19 jordan4ibanez Just my thoughtz
02:19 hmmmm how will they stay as it is if i change it?
02:21 jordan4ibanez No, they will stay with an older version as minetest moves forward, the way ores generate now is kind of disgusting and unrealistic
02:21 VanessaE I'd go for veins myself if given the choise
02:21 VanessaE choice*
02:22 meldrian GNight
02:22 hmmmm they'd have to really hate it in order to stick with an older version of minetest for that reason alone
02:22 jordan4ibanez In real life ores generate in veins, which feels amazing when you hit a vein, even a small one, in minecraft, when I mine in minetest I feel like I'm just guessing, "Oh I found a piece of iron...oh just this one piece?"
02:22 VanessaE hmmmm: what we desperately need is a "force regenerate" option that doesn't overwrite structures
02:22 VanessaE you know, re-generate the map, then re-apply the changes, that sorta thing
02:23 hmmmm why would you want to do that?
02:23 VanessaE so people can try out new mods like moreores, or your suggested changes, etc. and see them applied to an existing map
02:23 jordan4ibanez Minetest wastes so much cpu regenerating the terrain as it is, why add even more?
02:23 VanessaE it would need to be just a command, not a config option, and maybe it could just regenerate the chunks the player executing the command happens to be in
02:24 hmmmm but think about what would need to be done
02:24 VanessaE a fuckload, for sure
02:24 hmmmm you'd need to have both versions of whatever map generation you're doing
02:24 hmmmm and then you'd need to generate the block, do a diff, then store it away somewhere
02:25 jordan4ibanez Just make ores generate in veins, it's simpler, more fun, and more natural
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02:31 jordan4ibanez test
02:31 VanessaE test failed.
02:32 hmmmm minetest is a failure
02:32 VanessaE ?
02:32 hmmmm test failed
02:32 VanessaE heh
02:33 NekoGloop|Laptop minetest with a trackball ftw
02:34 hmmmm don't test me, i'm testy already!
02:34 ShadowNinja VanessaE: I think I have \( and \) working properly, I also added \\, It could probably use some optimization however
02:36 ShadowNinja hmmmm: could you look at this and tell me what you think? https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/compare/brackets_in_formspecs
02:37 ShadowNinja it allows [ and ] in formspecs, especially usefull with the luacontroller
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02:41 Vadtec hey all, im back home
02:41 hmmmm now why can't you use brackets right now?
02:41 VanessaE wb Vadtec
02:42 hmmmm ah you're escaping things
02:42 hmmmm apparently [ and ] have meanings
02:42 hmmmm wait a minute, why are you escaping them with \(?  why not \[?
02:42 jordan4ibanez This will greatly help forward the multiplayer aspect of minetest. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=72559#p72559
02:43 VanessaE hmmmm: starting to get some lag (with already-generated areas) on the server, pretty sure I'm still on your branch
02:43 hmmmm you aren't, you switched back
02:43 VanessaE oh, ignore the /status message
02:43 hmmmm hrmm
02:44 hmmmm how do you know the lag is related to my stuff at all
02:44 VanessaE that's updated via a script, but it doesn't catch when I use a different fork than usual
02:44 ShadowNinja hmmm: \[ and \] is a lot more complicated
02:44 hmmmm why's that?
02:44 RealBadAngel hi all
02:44 MinetestBot hi RealBadAngel
02:44 VanessaE I don't.  Just pointing it out since you're the mapgen expert :-)
02:44 VanessaE evening RBA
02:44 RealBadAngel hmmmm, what about merging liquids?
02:44 ShadowNinja because it uses [ and ] for the formspec
02:44 jordan4ibanez Hi RealBadAngel
02:45 ShadowNinja you are welcome to try, you will see what I mean
02:45 hmmmm i am going to do that i decided, but i need to find out how to commit without the "Merge pull request #blah " message and do it like plizadam and others do
02:46 VanessaE oh hell it just occurred to me:  there are three or four of us on the server at the moment :-)
02:46 VanessaE hmmmm: I don't think you can do that without pushing directly to master
02:46 VanessaE (versus a pull request)
02:46 hmmmm i went on there to check something but i forget
02:46 ShadowNinja can you ask him?
02:49 hmmmm wat
02:49 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, anything new with force fields?
02:49 ShadowNinja VanessaE: what is the difference between bilinear/trilinear etc filtering?
02:50 Menche a spammer got the 1000th post on the screenshots thread  D:
02:50 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I'm not sure exactly how they work, I only figured out how to turn them on :-)
02:50 Menche vile advertising spammer http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=4420
02:50 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: no, I have fixed a formspec issue however
02:50 VanessaE I think bilinear is 2d by texture and trilinear tries to stretch that into the Z direction also
02:51 hmmmm but anyway shadowninja
02:51 RealBadAngel im sitting all the time tryin to solve last problem for rotating nodeboxes
02:51 hmmmm what's wrong with using [ for the formspec if it's escaped?
02:51 ShadowNinja what about the third one(I forget the name)
02:52 ShadowNinja not sure what you mean
02:52 VanessaE Menche: strange, I see no spam ;)
02:52 RealBadAngel i cant get rotations by 90 and 270 deg to work on something smaller than full node face
02:55 hmmmm alright let me understand the nature of the problem more
02:55 hmmmm i'm looking at one of the areas where you call addBraces
02:56 ShadowNinja currently it is working, just not sure if it should be done that way
02:56 hmmmm yeah it shouldn't
02:57 hmmmm like that's the wrong approach in the first place, and then to escape a string, it would be much cleaner overall to just construct a new std::string and return it rather than messing around with replace and what not
02:57 hmmmm and faster
02:58 jordan4ibanez You can give threads artificial views by using refresh bots O.o
02:58 ShadowNinja that sounds a lot more complicated :-)
02:58 jordan4ibanez http://www.pagereboot.com/ Its not :(
02:58 hmmmm no need for find or replace
02:58 Kacey night all
02:59 hmmmm just iterate through each character, append it to the result string if it's not an escape character
02:59 hmmmm if it is an escape character, look at what it's escaping, and place that
02:59 ShadowNinja ok Will try that
03:00 hmmmm well nevermind that, because there's something wrong with the fundamental approach
03:00 hmmmm we might not have to escape strings at all if we just do it the correct way
03:00 ShadowNinja yes, but how
03:00 hmmmm that
03:01 hmmmm i am looking at right now
03:03 jordan4ibanez I can't wait for 128 bit pcs
03:03 VanessaE heh
03:04 VanessaE I'm still getting used to the concept of 64bit machines as it is.
03:04 Menche i though there wasn't a whole lot of advantage going from 32 - 64
03:04 hmmmm jordan, why not?
03:04 hmmmm i can wait
03:04 ShadowNinja you can use more that 4 gigs of ram with 64-bit
03:04 hmmmm you can use more than 4 gb of ram without 64 bit
03:05 hmmmm up to 64gb in fact
03:05 jordan4ibanez Well because my graphics card is 256 bit I want my processor to catch up
03:05 ShadowNinja don't even ask how much, it is crazy
03:05 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: they're doing 384-bit GPUs now
03:05 ShadowNinja well yes, with pae
03:05 VanessaE at least that's the plan for the PS-4.
03:05 jordan4ibanez You can have A LOT more than 64 gb ram
03:05 hmmmm your graphics card has a 256 bit lane to memory, not 256 bit addressing
03:05 hmmmm it's way different
03:05 jordan4ibanez I know, but let me bring up the truly obnoxious card
03:06 hmmmm ? no, 64 gb is the max.  32 bits is 4gb, 36 is 4gb * 2^(36-32) = 64gb
03:06 hmmmm PAE has a 4 bit page selector
03:06 jordan4ibanez http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7462665&amp;CatId=320
03:07 VanessaE actually I always thought X bits always referred to x-bit registers and x-bit data bus to memory
03:07 hmmmm to be honest it's meaningless marketing goop unless they actually specify what is X-bit
03:08 jordan4ibanez https://www.system76.com/servers/model/jacp8 you can have 512GB of ram with this one
03:09 sdzen who would ever want that much.....
03:09 jordan4ibanez No wait I lied
03:09 RealBadAngel DAMN! i did it :)
03:09 jordan4ibanez It has 2 processors, so you can have 512GB combined ram xD
03:09 hmmmm that's x64, which has 2^48 maximum addressing, PAE has 2^36 max
03:09 VanessaE RealBadAngel: did what>
03:09 RealBadAngel i got nodeboxes properly rotated :)
03:09 VanessaE sweet
03:09 jordan4ibanez Cool
03:10 RealBadAngel without ^transform at all
03:10 VanessaE RealBadAngel: is it ready to merge?
03:10 RealBadAngel not yet, i will clean the mess when i got back from work
03:10 jordan4ibanez Computers are getting so powerful soon we will not be able to power a single desktop with the energy from our homes
03:10 VanessaE ok
03:10 hmmmm I've seen machines with 512GB of ram
03:10 RealBadAngel then will pull it
03:10 sdzen still having that much ram isn't worth a shit if your computers outdated
03:11 jordan4ibanez Wait, I have an EXTREMELY rediculous video I want to show you guys
03:11 hmmmm they were Fujitsu-made M5000s (or M9000s? i forget)
03:11 hmmmm really, really big database servers
03:11 Exio does anyone has 10000USD?
03:11 hmmmm and it was like 256 cores
03:11 VanessaE Exio: I wish.
03:11 Exio i need that for a 64x (opteron x16 * 4) + 512 gb! :P
03:11 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/VML2cXDe32M
03:11 VanessaE I could use a good 10 grand right now :-)
03:11 hmmmm real UltraSPARC-VII cores, none of those CoolThreads shit
03:12 sdzen and by the time applications will require that much ram
03:12 sdzen your computer will look like a rock
03:12 jordan4ibanez Nvidia came out with tesla's which instead of having a gpu
03:12 hmmmm s/those/that/
03:12 jordan4ibanez they have cpus, and A LOT of processing power per cpu
03:12 Exio the computer what we "have" at our moment are getting their limit soon, we need quantum computers
03:12 hmmmm you mean GPGPU
03:12 jordan4ibanez Look at these numbers, it's INSANE http://www.nvidia.com/object/personal-supercomputing.html
03:13 hmmmm a Tesla is the same as a Quadra without the video output and texture renderer
03:13 VanessaE 3.5 TFLOPs?  impressive.
03:13 jordan4ibanez Yes, it's insane
03:14 jordan4ibanez You could render an entire pixar movie on 2 of them in a pc
03:14 jordan4ibanez with 2 of them*
03:14 hmmmm well i can render a pixar movie on a pentium 3
03:14 hmmmm ...how much time it'd take is another story
03:15 RealBadAngel btw, bug that forced users to sort coordinates of nodeboxes is gone
03:16 Vadtec ShadowNinja: you there?
03:17 ShadowNinja yes
03:17 Vadtec hey, that fix you gave me for worldedit is working great
03:17 Vadtec cept i just got an error when i did //replace
03:17 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts kittens on all the heads
03:17 Vadtec 21:14:20: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...test_game/mods/worldedit/worldedit/manipulations.lua:63: attempt to compare number with string
03:17 * VanessaE puts her kitten in OldCoder's pile
03:18 ShadowNinja I didn't touch that part
03:18 Vadtec how can i force lua to convert it to a number when it parses the parameter string?
03:18 ShadowNinja let me look
03:18 jordan4ibanez When they come out with motherboards with 16 pcie slots, or 32 pcie slots, just imagine the power that that many testla gpgpus could have
03:18 Vadtec ive been googling, but not knowing lua leaves my google fu at a disadvantage
03:19 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: lately it's a struggle to find a motherboard with more than roughly 4, and one of those always seems to be a useless PCIe 1x slot
03:19 jordan4ibanez Really? I've found a bunch of 8 slotted ones
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03:20 jordan4ibanez Let's say we overclocked the tesla to output 4.5 TF, 32 of them would be able to process 144TF of data, insanity
03:21 ShadowNinja does your line 63 look like this? while pos.z <= pos2.z do
03:21 Vadtec yes
03:22 Vadtec i think when parsing the string we need to add 0.5 to it to let lua convert it to a number automatically
03:22 Vadtec back in the code for pos1/2
03:22 MinetestBot Welcome back Vadtec!
03:22 jordan4ibanez lmfao
03:23 Menche O.o
03:23 MinetestBot Menche: What are you wondering about?
03:23 Vadtec the bots AI needs some tweaking
03:24 VanessaE you DO know with a TFLOP is I hope :)
03:24 jordan4ibanez Menche, I'm installing a different os and moving everything to it, so we might have to reconnect your server back to mine and change the routing IP
03:25 Menche does hamachi provide a hostname like remobo does?
03:25 jordan4ibanez Or whatever it's called
03:25 Menche hostname, domain, or whatever
03:26 ShadowNinja try adding return after minetest.chat_send_player around line 68 and 91
03:26 jordan4ibanez No, all you have to do is reconnect and change the ip of your route thing
03:26 jordan4ibanez with remobo this would have been a nightmare
03:26 Menche with remobo you could do "server.user.remobo.com"
03:26 Menche it updated with the IP
03:26 VanessaE remobo/hamachi?  evil.
03:26 VanessaE evil.
03:26 Vadtec ShadowNinja: return what though? and why would that make a diff, the issue is the data is being stored as a string, not a number, which is what the later code is expecting
03:26 Vadtec ShadowNinja: im trying something else, gimme a sec
03:27 Menche i can't run remobo on my server because the free version requires a gui
03:27 Menche i don't always have x11 runing
03:27 ShadowNinja return nothing, it isn't required, it just terminates it
03:27 jordan4ibanez I should just have every way possible to connect to the server, ip adress, remobo, and hamachi lol
03:27 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/fXMDBXe.jpg
03:27 ShadowNinja I should have added that before
03:27 jordan4ibanez rba: coolio
03:28 VanessaE RealBadAngel: sweet
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03:28 Vadtec ShadowNinja: so just "return" ?
03:28 ShadowNinja yes
03:28 RealBadAngel i think with this patch we gonna have some speed and memory back
03:28 VanessaE RealBadAngel: except, something looks wrong about the textures on the handles...I don't recall drawing them to be brighter at the ends
03:28 ShadowNinja it defaults to nil
03:29 Vadtec ShadowNinja: ok, lemme try that, my idea didnt work
03:29 RealBadAngel theres no other texture in the folder
03:29 VanessaE ok, I guess I just forgot then.
03:30 ShadowNinja replace works for me
03:30 RealBadAngel its common texture for top of the lever
03:30 RealBadAngel both for on and off
03:30 VanessaE RealBadAngel: ok, no worries.
03:31 Vadtec ShadowNinja: well, when i use //replace, i get an error about the function getting a string when it wants a number
03:31 OldCoder Hi
03:31 MinetestBot hi OldCoder
03:32 VanessaE wb OldCoder
03:32 OldCoder I will do something about the pile
03:32 OldCoder when possible
03:32 VanessaE OldCoder: yeah, your kitten pile is overflowing a bit :)
03:32 ShadowNinja are you using latest from git for server and we
03:32 Vadtec ShadowNinja: pretty sure
03:33 OldCoder We will figure out something
03:33 Vadtec ShadowNinja: adding the returns didnt work
03:33 ShadowNinja error makes no sense, they should both be numbers
03:34 Vadtec ShadowNinja: thats how im reading the code too
03:34 ShadowNinja let me try something...
03:35 Vadtec all im doing, for example, is //pos1 -203,30,452
03:35 Vadtec and //pos2 -205,30,452
03:36 Vadtec then //replace air stone
03:36 ShadowNinja I just got it
03:36 Vadtec the error?
03:36 ShadowNinja I used my function to set it
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03:37 ShadowNinja that must be the issue
03:37 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/UHMfd6S.jpg
03:37 Vadtec ShadowNinja: in what way? is it somehow converting the coords to a string?
03:38 ShadowNinja I don't know, let me see
03:39 ShadowNinja ah yes, forgot tonumber()
03:40 Vadtec heh, see, *thats* what ive been googling for lol
03:41 ShadowNinja pos = {x=tonumber(x),y=tonumber(y),z=tonumber(z)} at lines 66 and 90
03:41 Vadtec ShadowNinja: kk, gimme a few to mod the code and test
03:42 ShadowNinja tested and it works
03:44 Vadtec ShadowNinja: tested and verified :D
03:44 hmmmm alright, shadowninja, sorry about that, it seems like you were right; there is no good way to do this without breaking compatibility
03:45 * ShadowNinja is annoyed at compatibility, likes drupals philosophy
03:46 ShadowNinja so should I do the copying to a second string thing?
03:49 hmmmm so wait, why do you want brackets in a formspec field anyway?
03:49 VanessaE hmmmm: L-Systems tree definitions use [ ] for push and pop
03:49 hmmmm grrr
03:49 VanessaE and there's a mod that lets you create these defs in realtime via a formspec
03:50 hmmmm so what do we do, break compatibility to come up with a clean solution?
03:51 ShadowNinja I was writing this with the luacontroller in mind
03:51 VanessaE well since [ ] can't be used in text in a formspec anyway, seems to me nothing would break
03:51 VanessaE ShadowNinja: ah, well that's another thing then.
03:51 VanessaE I forgot about the Luacontroller
03:51 hmmmm no, i'd change the way formspecs are defined so that [ and ] aren't delimiters
03:52 hmmmm or what would be nice is if the string literal were enclosed in quotation marks
03:52 ShadowNinja then you would have to escape the delimiters
03:52 ShadowNinja what do you suggest it is?
03:53 hmmmm no, i'm saying like "text[here]"[blah]
03:53 hmmmm or however that goes
03:53 hmmmm by the way, i'm completely ignorant of any matters relating to formspec
03:55 jordan4ibanez Adventure time!
03:57 jordan4ibanez I learnt the most depressing thing about that show today
03:58 jordan4ibanez And am I the only one having this issue? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4907
04:00 VanessaE well if you compile it as server-only, why would the server write to its config file anyway?
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04:01 jordan4ibanez To change settings, say static spawnpoint
04:01 VanessaE afaik the server never writes to the config file?
04:02 jordan4ibanez Why? That is kind of BS
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04:02 VanessaE well I don't recall seeing mine ever get changed by anything I didn't expressly do from outside the server...
04:02 VanessaE and it would be a security hole if the server could write to it
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04:02 jordan4ibanez How would it be a security hole? That doesn't make any sense.
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04:03 VanessaE because if some joe random user discovers a way to force the server to write the wrong things to the config, well say bye bye to the server's world files or something
04:03 jordan4ibanez No, there's no way of deleting a world file from a configuration file, that's nonsense.
04:04 jordan4ibanez This makes headless servers or terminal servers that use server plugins like mine or traxie's useless or atleast very flawed.
04:04 VanessaE sorry, i tend to think way too far ahead in these cases
04:04 jordan4ibanez It's okay
04:04 VanessaE I never have trouble updating the config file on mine.  a quick nano minetest-server.conf; killall minetestserver and all is well.
04:05 VanessaE (ideally the latter command only gets added if the server's idle)
04:05 jordan4ibanez I just don't understand why a configuration file would not be able to be accessed from the minetestserver if you're able to compile minetest as server only
04:05 jordan4ibanez It's like putting tires on a car only to forget the engine
04:06 VanessaE bad analogy :)
04:06 jordan4ibanez Then reverse it
04:06 ShadowNinja hmmmm: I rewrote it how you wanted(I think) and it works
04:06 VanessaE I think it would be more akin to putting a new engine in a car but not being able to paint it to match your car's general theme :-)
04:07 jordan4ibanez Why is minetest's client/server able to access the .conf and not server alone, that doesn't make sense
04:07 ShadowNinja pushed
04:07 VanessaE because it's really just the client that writs to it in that case, not the server
04:07 VanessaE writes*
04:08 jordan4ibanez So I'm going to have to run the client in server mode?
04:08 VanessaE er..
04:09 VanessaE you shouldn't need to change your config at all after you've had your server running for a few days
04:09 khonkhortisan mesecons aren't conductive when used in powered rail
04:10 hmmmm ahh much nicer
04:10 hmmmm see how clean it is
04:10 ShadowNinja yes
04:12 VanessaE sigh...
04:13 * VanessaE is bored, uninspired, worn out...  wtf?
04:13 khonkhortisan Is this about that cloud texture?
04:14 ShadowNinja if you need something to do I have something
04:15 ShadowNinja namely get the wood texture to tile properly
04:16 VanessaE why bother, no one will accept it
04:21 jordan4ibanez I'm doing something so dangerous ubuntu made me type in "Yes, do as I say!
04:21 NekoGloop|lol I could still use a cloud texture
04:22 NekoGloop|lol Me, ping timeout pls.
04:22 ShadowNinja is there any sort of user pruning on the forum?
04:28 VanessaE NekoGloop|lol: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/cloud.png
04:29 NekoGloop|lol Little good that does me on my laptop where I've yet to migrate files but thank you.
04:33 * NekoGloop|lol plays with a trackball waiting for FF7 to download again...
04:33 VanessaE ShadowNinja: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/default_wood.png
04:34 ShadowNinja thank you, can you pull-request it?
04:34 VanessaE if anyone wants to push that to minetest_game, be my guest. WTFPL.
04:34 VanessaE ShadowNinja: no, because Pilzadam already shot down my idea, pull requests against minetest_game are evidently the wrong way to put new textures into minetest_game :-/
04:34 VanessaE but it's installed on my server anyway
04:35 ShadowNinja right, oh well
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04:35 NekoGloop|lol VanessaE: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/cd604fa9c864160a6276b7fcf483a157ae339611
04:35 NekoGloop|lol Because fck Pilz.
04:41 VanessaE NekoGloop|lol, ShadowNinja:  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/126
04:41 VanessaE let's see how long it takes for someone else to say they suck.
04:41 NekoGloop|lol Personally I do think the fence is bad
04:42 NekoGloop|lol But the other two should be kept
04:42 VanessaE mine or the default?
04:42 NekoGloop|lol both.
04:42 NekoGloop|lol :P
04:42 VanessaE :(
04:42 NekoGloop|lol The default's shape with your colors should look better
04:42 Menche i like the default wood better, but the steel block is a *huge* improvement over default
04:42 Menche and your fence is better too
04:43 * ShadowNinja is thinking the opposite, sigh
04:44 Menche i really don't like the default steel block texture
04:44 ShadowNinja fence and wood are great, steel block doesn't look quite right
04:45 Menche i prefer the default wood
04:46 VanessaE well all three are in place on my server if you wanna see them in practice.
04:52 ShadowNinja VanessaE: are you not advertising to serverlist due to running new_emerge?
04:55 VanessaE probably not
04:55 VanessaE as soon as hmmmm pushes it to master I'll update.
04:57 Menche is "* * * * * command" the right crontab syntax for every minute?
04:57 VanessaE no
04:57 VanessaE I believe the fourth * needs to be */1
04:58 VanessaE double-check the man page, it's been months since I had to mess with cron (and years since I really knew much about it)
04:59 jordan4ibanez No
04:59 jordan4ibanez the first * needs to be */1
04:59 VanessaE well at least I got the key right, if not the field.
04:59 jordan4ibanez True
04:59 VanessaE forgot it was little-endian
04:59 jordan4ibanez Updating ubuntu 10.04 server to 12.04 just to use a gui
05:00 Menche ...i configure my server completely through CLI over ssh
05:00 Menche my other server has never had a gui on it :D
05:00 jordan4ibanez No, I need to dropbox the server
05:01 jordan4ibanez Luckily this is almost done
05:02 jordan4ibanez And done
05:03 jordan4ibanez Ubuntu 12.04.2?!
05:03 jordan4ibanez They updated it AGAIN?
05:04 jordan4ibanez Well at least the terminal scrolls much faster then 10.04
05:04 Menche is your minetestserver up?
05:04 jordan4ibanez No, I'm installing the GUI
05:05 Menche ok good, my status script was reporting it as down
05:05 jordan4ibanez Good, now it's working!
05:06 Menche the script is working, not so sure about the crontab
05:07 ShadowNinja menche: you have a restart script in crontab, correct?
05:07 Menche yes
05:07 Menche and that seems to work properly
05:07 ShadowNinja does it check if the server is running first?
05:07 Menche yes
05:07 ShadowNinja how?
05:08 Menche it uses the minetestbot code
05:08 Menche i have "*/1 * * * * command"
05:14 jordan4ibanez How does the minetestbot find out if you're running a server?
05:15 ShadowNinja it sends an init packet
05:15 jordan4ibanez Oh fancy, my cat's trying to figure out how doors work
05:17 Menche can't get that cronjob to work :(
05:18 Menche using a shell script with an infinite loop and a sleep command instead
05:18 Menche now it should update every 10 seconds
05:19 Menche yep, it works now
05:19 Menche updates every 10 seconds
05:20 ShadowNinja Menche: how do you start minetestserver?
05:20 Menche i run it in a tmux session
05:21 jordan4ibanez That sounds pretty painful
05:21 Menche painful how?
05:21 ShadowNinja I don't know what that means
05:21 Menche i start tmux, it opens another shell
05:21 Menche i start minetest server there, then detach and log out
05:22 Menche tmux allows you to run a command, detach the session, and logout
05:22 jordan4ibanez Oh nice
05:22 Menche then log back in and re-attach the session
05:22 ShadowNinja I mean from your script
05:22 ShadowNinja sounds like screen
05:22 Menche minetestserver --map-dir ~/.minetest/worlds/server_world_2 --port 30000
05:23 ShadowNinja from python
05:24 Menche you mean my check script?
05:24 ShadowNinja yes
05:24 ShadowNinja the bot uses python
05:25 Menche http://pastebin.com/3FFiepgt
05:25 Menche just edit the "address" and "port" variables at the top
05:25 Menche all the connection code is from minetestbot
05:26 Menche i just deleted all the irc bot related code and replaced it with print()
05:26 ShadowNinja I have that but it doesn't restart it if it is down?
05:27 jordan4ibanez I guess we don't have to do a new thing now menche, everything's all taken care of
05:28 khonkhortisan conductors don't have an action_on/off?
05:29 khonkhortisan So either a powered rail can conduct along itself, or it can set its meta for cart acceleration, but not both?
05:29 Menche http://pastebin.com/XBmi1MrN
05:29 Menche my backup script
05:30 Menche if the server's down that will restart it
05:34 * NekoGloop|lol puts a kitten on jordan4ibanez's head
05:34 khonkhortisan jordan4ibanez doesn't want it, give it to MinetestBot, he likes kittens.
05:34 jordan4ibanez I have enough cats lol
05:35 * Menche drops a goldfish bowl on NekoGloop|lol's head
05:39 * VanessaE watches some old The Muppet Show.
05:42 NekoGloop|lol NekoGloop|Laptop should ping timeout ANY TIME NOW
05:47 * MiJyn is waiting
05:47 MiJyn eagerly
05:47 MiJyn intently
05:48 MiJyn *intentely
05:48 MiJyn or whatever
05:48 MiJyn something
05:49 ShadowNinja want some fun? type cat /dev/urandom
05:50 MiJyn haha
05:50 * MiJyn times out
05:50 MiJyn :P
05:54 ShadowNinja is this correct for every hour? 0 */1 * * *
05:57 jordan4ibanez can someone come onto my server and test the spawnpoint to see how it looks?
05:57 jordan4ibanez menche.servegame.net 30005
05:59 ShadowNinja now I just set a low log level and run watch cat serverlog
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06:03 Akerok Hello everyone.
06:03 MinetestBot hi Akerok
06:05 jordan4ibanez what did you tell me to use shadowninja?
06:06 ShadowNinja //fixlight (or let me)
06:07 jordan4ibanez invalid command
06:07 ShadowNinja are you running latest?
06:08 NekoGloop|lol Night all.
06:23 khonkhortisan /fixlight is a worldedit command
06:25 jordan4ibanez updated worldedit
06:25 jordan4ibanez fixed lights
06:25 jordan4ibanez nothing fucking changed lol
06:27 jordan4ibanez Why does morestairs not have dirt stairs?
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06:40 Oblivion1500 hello everyone!
06:40 MinetestBot hi Oblivion1500
06:40 Oblivion1500 ... i dont talk to robots.
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06:43 Akerok lol
06:44 Oblivion1500 anyone want to see my brand new website, it doesnt have anything on it but its cool.. its a wordpress block for techno geeks :).. again there is nothing on it seeing as i just started it
06:45 Oblivion1500 but i will most likely write a review on the minetest project :)
06:45 Oblivion1500 blog*
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06:49 Oblivion1500 well i will just put it here anyway, not really advertising seeing as theres nothing to advertise 1337reviews.com
07:00 jordan4ibanez Goodnight all
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08:02 Akerok what can I put in the upgrade slots in the mv electric furnace?
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08:35 Akerok Can anyone help me with the technic mod?  I'm trying to understand the mv furnace.  I can't figure out what I can put in the upgrade slots.
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09:06 Calinou weird, I don't see sound control in options menu, using latest git and recompiled it
09:06 Calinou does this need irrlicht 1.8? :p
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09:23 Calinou ah, forgot it's in game :P
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11:03 rubenwardy hi all
11:03 MinetestBot hi rubenwardy
11:11 rubenwardy !sfu *potato*
11:11 MinetestBot pornopotatoe New member 0 posts, registered on 2012-06-05 | id: 1979
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11:11 Infinity_69 hi
11:11 MinetestBot hi Infinity_69
11:11 rubenwardy !sfu *infinity*
11:12 MinetestBot InfinityProject Member 1,015 posts, registered on 2012-03-17 | id: 1494
11:12 Infinity_69 hi ruben
11:12 rubenwardy hi
11:12 MinetestBot hi rubenwardy
11:12 rubenwardy no, minetestbot, no
11:12 Infinity_69 hey, go to http://hvgaming.bugs3.com and look after the footer, do you see die();
11:12 rubenwardy huff
11:13 rubenwardy you need to put it in <?php ?>
11:13 Infinity_69 oh
11:13 Infinity_69 :D
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11:17 Infinity_69 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fhvgaming.bugs3.com%2F&amp;charset=%28detect+automatically%29&amp;doctype=Inline&amp;group=0&amp;user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.3
11:18 Infinity_69 rubenwardy
11:18 Infinity_69 i did it ;)
11:18 Infinity_69 i mean, :)
11:18 rubenwardy well done, your page with almost no content on it passed the validator! </sarcasim>
11:18 rubenwardy :P
11:19 rubenwardy feel jealous? http://multa.bugs3.com/
11:19 rubenwardy http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3a%2f%2fmulta.bugs3.com%2f
11:21 Infinity_69 please give me a link for the html image
11:21 Infinity_69 the W3 image
11:22 Infinity_69 STOP
11:22 Infinity_69 ;D
11:22 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/images/valid-html5.png
11:23 Infinity_69 hey, do you use a MAC?
11:25 Infinity_69 Andrew Ward, Rubenwardy, are you using a mac?
11:25 Infinity_69 or ubuntu
11:28 rubenwardy Windoes
11:28 rubenwardy Windows, atm
11:28 rubenwardy but I have Ubuntu as well
11:29 rubenwardy (you can tell if you use the "whois" feature)
11:29 rubenwardy I prefer not to use Apple's products
11:29 rubenwardy I do not like how uncompetitive they are
11:30 rubenwardy (they block Google Maps from iTunes, and they lock down their computer's file explorer)
11:30 Infinity_69 yeah, well it's just because im not at home atm, at a friends house
11:30 Infinity_69 and i dont know how to change the layout of the keyboard, neither does he...
11:31 Infinity_69 i miss my DELL with Ubuntu 12.10
11:31 Infinity_69 Get ready for Ubuntu 13.04
11:31 Infinity_69 soon it shall be out :)
11:31 rubenwardy If only minetest was like this is capability: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=48105
11:32 rubenwardy I know how to use them
11:32 rubenwardy I use macs at film club
11:32 Infinity_69 wait, you make movies?
11:32 Infinity_69 cool
11:33 Infinity_69 what a ripoff!
11:33 Infinity_69 that TOTALLY copies MineTest
11:33 Infinity_69 :D
11:36 Infinity_69 rubenwardy, do you want to join the HVG team?
11:36 Infinity_69 you are much better in this then me, and i want to be a programmer in the future :/
11:37 rubenwardy no
11:37 rubenwardy <Infinity_69> what a ripoff!]
11:37 rubenwardy lol
11:37 rubenwardy Minetest is 90% minecraft in content
11:37 Infinity_69 :D
11:37 Infinity_69 still
11:37 rubenwardy that is more like 40%
11:37 Infinity_69 but...
11:38 Infinity_69 what if it doesnt lag like mt does... :D
11:38 Infinity_69 would you consider game jumping?
11:38 rubenwardy Minetest is more of a "rip off" than Build a World
11:38 rubenwardy no, build a world is propiatory (commercial)
11:39 Infinity_69 why doesnt somebody make a minetest ripoff that could survive under 150-200 players in a server :/
11:39 Infinity_69 like minecraft does
11:40 rubenwardy There is no reason why minetest can not support 150-200 players
11:40 Infinity_69 yes, i've played minecraft, dont judge me!
11:40 rubenwardy huh?
11:42 Infinity_69 you know, that if there is 5-10 people in a server it starts to lag a lot...
11:43 Infinity_69 well, someone should make another game, named minetest, but make it lag much less...
11:43 Infinity_69 same textures, sounds etc...
11:43 rubenwardy lol, you have no idea
11:43 rubenwardy say that in #minetest-dev ...
11:44 Infinity_69 :D
11:44 rubenwardy Ok, how about you do it? write the game again 100% from scratch
11:44 Infinity_69 hey, i saw your info on Multa, you know C++, why dont you make a new engine in C++, then make a game in it...
11:44 Infinity_69 NO
11:44 Infinity_69 :D
11:44 Infinity_69 i have an idea...
11:45 rubenwardy I am not as good as celeron55 at c++
11:45 Infinity_69 engine=you, game=me
11:45 Infinity_69 still...
11:45 rubenwardy and I am already working on an engine
11:45 Infinity_69 i have a theory...
11:45 Infinity_69 maybe minetest lags so much because its so lightweight...
11:46 rubenwardy Which is faster, a car or a lorry?
11:46 Infinity_69 lorry?
11:46 rubenwardy nope, a car
11:46 Infinity_69 i mean whats a lorry?
11:46 rubenwardy because it is lighter
11:46 rubenwardy a truck
11:46 Infinity_69 oh
11:47 Infinity_69 but...
11:47 rubenwardy another metaphor: If I was to race a fat person, who would win?
11:47 Infinity_69 it depends...
11:47 rubenwardy lighter is better, because there is less "weight" to carry around
11:47 Infinity_69 are you a handicap or fat?
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11:48 rubenwardy nope, I weigh 8 stone
11:48 Infinity_69 ugh,,,KG?
11:48 rubenwardy https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=8+stone+in+kg&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a
11:48 rubenwardy 50.8
11:48 Infinity_69 well, i'm 154 cm high and 43 KG...
11:48 rubenwardy the average for my age is 12: 70kg
11:48 Infinity_69 im underweight
11:49 rubenwardy anyways...
11:49 Infinity_69 oh, another thing...
11:49 Infinity_69 if you are a "couch potato" and he isn't, then there is a chance, he could win...
11:49 Infinity_69 or she...
11:49 Infinity_69 :D
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11:50 rubenwardy nope. Just take the metaphor and leave
11:50 rubenwardy it is not meant to be literal (like the Bible)
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11:51 Infinity_69 hi John
11:51 Infinity_69 hey, where's Zeg9
11:51 john_minetest hi Infinity_69
11:51 Infinity_69 haven't seen him for a long time -.-
11:51 john_minetest I haven't seen Zeg9 for ages. I also wonder where he is.
11:52 Infinity_69 i have a theory...
11:52 Infinity_69 maybe...he was SO upset because the apocalypse was canceled, that he killed himself...
11:52 Infinity_69 :D
11:52 Infinity_69 just saying...
11:53 rubenwardy stupid theory
11:53 Infinity_69 i know...
11:53 Infinity_69 :D
11:54 Infinity_69 am i the "Stupid Theory Guy" now?
11:54 rubenwardy brb
11:55 john_minetest Last time I saw him was 3 weeks ago. So the apocalypse theory doesn't fit.
11:55 Infinity_69 i thought you'd way that...
11:55 Infinity_69 so, i have a followup theory...
11:55 Infinity_69 maybe, he created a script/bot that would "die" in some time...
11:55 Infinity_69 well bye anyways...
12:03 rubenwardy hmm, extensions
12:03 rubenwardy sdfgsdf
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12:04 rubentest how does minetest extensions work?
12:04 rubentest what is 3m_rele?
12:05 * rubenwardy is just checking my highlighter system
12:06 rubentest what does the award mod do?
12:06 rubentest awards
12:06 rubentest awards
12:09 * rubenwardy has way too many passwords
12:09 rubenwardy bingo! found the right one
12:10 Vadtec mornin all
12:11 rubenwardy hi
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12:19 rubenwardy qwerty
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12:33 rubenwardy sfan5!
12:33 rubenwardy hi#
12:34 sfan5 hi
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12:44 Vadtec each game defined in minetest will look in games/<game folder here> for minetest.conf, correct?
12:46 sfan5 !ar enable
12:46 MinetestBot AR enabled.
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13:14 proller sfan5, can you fix it ? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=72589#p72589
13:15 sfan5 proller: i can fix it, but not now
13:17 proller thank you! very good mod 8-)
13:17 proller DESTROOOOOY! 8)
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13:49 rubenwardy !sfu *suck*
13:49 MinetestBot rubenwardy: No Results found
13:49 rubenwardy !sfu *bob*
13:49 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Too many matches: 12
13:50 rubenwardy !sfu *pizza*
13:50 MinetestBot rubenwardy: No Results found
13:50 rubenwardy !sfu *minetest*
13:50 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Too many matches: 16
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13:54 sfan5 MinetestBot: where are you from?
13:54 MinetestBot I come from https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules
13:54 sfan5 MinetestBot: where are you from?
13:54 MinetestBot I come from https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules
13:55 sfan5 MinetestBot: where are you from?
13:55 MinetestBot I come from https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules
13:55 sfan5 MinetestBot: where are you from?
13:55 MinetestBot I come from https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules
13:55 sfan5 MinetestBot: where are you from?
13:55 MinetestBot I come from https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules
13:55 sfan5 come on random.randint(0,5) == 0
13:55 sfan5 MinetestBot: where are you from?
13:55 MinetestBot ...
13:55 sfan5 ?
13:55 sfan5 MinetestBot: where are you from?
13:55 MinetestBot ...
13:55 sfan5 MinetestBot: where are you from?
13:55 MinetestBot ...
13:55 sfan5 something broke
13:55 sfan5 !up 127.0.0.1
13:55 MinetestBot 127.0.0.1:30000 seems to be down
13:56 sfan5 MinetestBot: where are you from?
13:56 MinetestBot I come from https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules
13:56 rubenwardy lol
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14:01 Infinity_69 hi
14:01 MinetestBot hi Infinity_69
14:02 Infinity_69 So, we meet again, mr. Rubenwardy
14:02 rubenwardy yeah...
14:02 rubenwardy /ignore Infinity_69 all
14:02 rubenwardy jokes
14:02 Infinity_69 what?
14:02 Infinity_69 why
14:02 rubenwardy the best thing about that command, is that I dont know how to undo it
14:03 rubenwardy *
14:03 Infinity_69 o.o
14:03 MinetestBot Infinity_69: What are you wondering about?
14:03 Vadtec rubenwardy: ... /unignore in most cases :P
14:03 Infinity_69 oh, nothing, MinetestBot
14:03 rubenwardy no, that does not work. I have to open up a menu to do it
14:03 rubenwardy Window > Ignore List
14:05 Infinity_69 rubenwardy, can you help me?
14:05 Infinity_69 please?
14:06 * rubenwardy is coding C++
14:06 * Infinity_69 caught Rubenwardy fake ignoring
14:11 rubenwardy quick preview of what I am doing: http://multa.bugs3.com/blog/index.php?post/2013/02/25/The-start-of-an-inventory-system
14:11 john_minetest MinetestBot: What's the meaning of life?
14:11 Infinity_69 me!
14:11 Infinity_69 it's me!
14:12 Infinity_69 ok, it isn't really me...
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14:12 rubenwardy john_minetest: 42-universe-everything
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14:12 rubenwardy - is minus
14:12 rubenwardy not or
14:12 thexyz rubenwardy: blank page?
14:12 rubenwardy erm
14:13 rubenwardy server down
14:13 Infinity_69 the REAL meaning of life is to understand, that you once had freedome, until a cop pulled you over and found illegal fireworks, drugs and a dead cop in the trunk of your car
14:13 john_minetest The meaning of life is 42. MinetestBot should know it ;)
14:13 rubenwardy john_minetest: nope
14:13 rubenwardy <rubenwardy> john_minetest: 42-universe-everything
14:13 rubenwardy the meaning of life, the universe and everything = 42
14:14 rubenwardy :P
14:14 Infinity_69 what?
14:14 Infinity_69 btw, is it just me, or does 69 look familiar to the "Infinity" mark?
14:14 Infinity_69 :D
14:14 RealBadAngel hi all
14:14 MinetestBot hi RealBadAngel
14:14 Infinity_69 thats how i got my name
14:14 Infinity_69 hi RBA
14:14 Infinity_69 long time no see, huh :D
14:15 RealBadAngel rubenwardy, the state of the art link opens empty page...
14:15 john_minetest rubenwardy: Yes. But if 3+5 and 2+5 and 1+6 = 7 then 3+5 is also 7 without the other questions.
14:15 rubenwardy Google Image search: "69" and you will see what it really means
14:15 RealBadAngel you mean by this it is snow themed, at winter and for eskimoos? ;)
14:16 Infinity_69 i know what it meens :D
14:16 rubenwardy RealBadAngel: my server is down
14:16 Infinity_69 but im not allowed to talk about it here... xD
14:16 Infinity_69 or am i o.o
14:16 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/
14:16 RealBadAngel ah. so what do you mean by it?
14:16 Infinity_69 oh :D
14:17 rubenwardy It was a blog posting about a new game I am making
14:17 RealBadAngel btw, finished that today early morning: http://i.imgur.com/fXMDBXe.jpg
14:17 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/UHMfd6S.jpg
14:17 rubenwardy that is cool
14:18 john_minetest so many rotated switches. Now make rubics cube :D
14:18 RealBadAngel need to clean the code, test it for a while
14:18 RealBadAngel but it looks its done
14:19 RealBadAngel but i figured already next feature coming
14:19 RealBadAngel multibox (work name) nodebox with own textures for each nodebox in it
14:19 rubenwardy I uploaded just the screenshot: http://multa.webs.com/scrn_1.png
14:19 Infinity_69 http://hvgaming.bugs3.com
14:20 rubenwardy (to a secondary server)
14:20 rubenwardy not much to see
14:20 Infinity_69 hey rubenwardy, is this the engine your making?
14:20 Infinity_69 CAUGHT!
14:20 Infinity_69 BUSTED
14:20 rubenwardy yeah
14:20 Infinity_69 rubenwardy, you are a fake ignorer :D
14:20 rubenwardy Infinity_69!*@* added to ignore list.
14:21 Infinity_69 nope :D
14:21 RealBadAngel nodebox code i modified is already prepared for many textures
14:21 Infinity_69 hey, ruben, do i get the "Beta code"?
14:21 Infinity_69 :D
14:22 * Infinity_69 hopes the engine that rubenwardy is making is free and open source
14:22 john_minetest rubenwardy: Looks like irrlicht.
14:22 Infinity_69 hey RBA, how do i make my channel let in people that are "not invited"
14:23 Infinity_69 :D
14:23 Infinity_69 BUSTED
14:23 Infinity_69 ... again!
14:23 rubenwardy yeah, I am using the scene from the demo
14:23 rubenwardy as a temporary scene
14:23 john_minetest What will the engine be capable of?
14:23 Infinity_69 rubenwardy, will there be zombies?
14:24 Infinity_69 1000 FPS!
14:24 Infinity_69 :D
14:24 Infinity_69 john_minetest: <Infinity_69> 1000 FPS!
14:24 rubenwardy It will be a survival engine
14:24 rubenwardy sand box
14:24 Infinity_69 yay
14:24 Infinity_69 ZOMBIEZ
14:24 Infinity_69 :D
14:24 rubenwardy similar client/server system to what Minetest has
14:25 Infinity_69 can i make the menu background and sh*t?
14:25 * rubenwardy wonders what Infinity_69 is saying behind his back
14:25 john_minetest rubenwardy: Sandbox... So minetest block style or something different?
14:25 * Infinity_69 hopes rubenwardy would hear him
14:25 rubenwardy no
14:25 rubenwardy DayZ styl
14:25 rubenwardy e
14:25 Infinity_69 sandbox = do what you want, when you want, where you want
14:25 Infinity_69 like real life
14:25 Infinity_69 :D
14:25 rubenwardy although, I started creating it before I heard about DayZ
14:26 Infinity_69 great job, rube!
14:26 rubenwardy Infinity_69!*@* has been removed from the ignore list.
14:26 Infinity_69 yay
14:26 Infinity_69 :D
14:26 Infinity_69 tyhanks
14:26 * rubenwardy will check the logs
14:26 Infinity_69 hey, ruben, is this correct...
14:26 Infinity_69 <Infinity_69> sandbox = do what you want, when you want, where you want
14:27 rubenwardy yeah
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14:27 Infinity_69 john_minetest, MWHAHAHAHAA!!!
14:27 rubenwardy My project will probably be opensource
14:27 Infinity_69 YAY!
14:27 Infinity_69 will i get beta testing?
14:27 Infinity_69 :D
14:27 rubenwardy no promises
14:27 Infinity_69 o.o
14:27 MinetestBot Infinity_69: What are you wondering about?
14:27 Infinity_69 STFU
14:27 Kacey what project?
14:27 Infinity_69 oh, nothing :D
14:28 Infinity_69 zip it, ruben!\
14:28 Infinity_69 bye
14:28 john_minetest Kacey: project= rubenwardy's new opensource game engine (in development)
14:31 rubenwardy thank god
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14:32 Kacey open source game engine?
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14:34 rubenwardy read the logs
14:35 Kacey :/
14:43 rubenwardy mw ha ha ha!
14:44 rubenwardy https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B9kVN644cEKZRDZmOWdDYnFuM28/edit?usp=sharing
14:44 rubenwardy design docs
14:57 RealBadAngel This is what one can do rotating SINGLE node from stairs+ using new facedir system:
14:57 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/7EW3u8K.jpg
14:58 rubenwardy that is so cool
15:05 john_minetest rubenwardy: Looks nice.
15:05 * john_minetest registers for the beta testing
15:06 rubenwardy the biggest problem I have is that my modeller does not do scene modelling
15:06 rubenwardy :P
15:06 rubenwardy beta is a long way away
15:07 rubenwardy when I get to alpha, I will release it
15:07 rubenwardy (for testing)
15:07 rubenwardy Remember Minetest is in Alpha
15:07 RealBadAngel alpha is pre beta ;)
15:07 rubenwardy iirc
15:07 rubenwardy yeah
15:07 RealBadAngel beta means almost ready to release
15:08 rubenwardy yeah
15:09 rubenwardy when I said release, I meant release some binaries and source so it can be tested
15:09 RealBadAngel i was reading last two weeks lotsa irrlicht docs
15:09 RealBadAngel to get some things done
15:09 RealBadAngel and i like
15:09 RealBadAngel *it
15:10 RealBadAngel lotsa stuff can be easily done thx to it
15:11 RealBadAngel brb, pizza time
15:11 john_minetest rubenwardy: I don't understand one thing in your concept: Energy - "If they have no hunger they will die in one minute." . Shouldn't it be: "When they have hunger (0 on hunger bar) they die in 1 minute"?
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15:11 rubenwardy yeah
15:13 rubenwardy gramatical mistake
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15:16 harrison damn this overgrown twotone parakeet
15:16 harrison why must it perch on my typing wrist?
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15:27 rubenwardy new screenshots: http://multa.webs.com/scrn_1.png
15:27 rubenwardy http://multa.webs.com/scrn_2.png
15:30 rubenwardy (ping: RealBadAngel)
15:31 RealBadAngel pong
15:31 rubenwardy ching
15:32 RealBadAngel lookin nice, whats the engine?
15:33 rubenwardy irrlicht is the 3d egine
15:33 rubenwardy "The Survivor" is the temporary name for the project
15:34 RealBadAngel what is gonna be? sanbox like mt?
15:34 rubenwardy yeah
15:34 john_minetest Lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIjFkxkqu7c
15:34 rubenwardy but not like mt
15:34 rubenwardy It will be similar to DayZ
15:35 john_minetest Wow. I'd love to play that game later :D
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15:37 thexyz frankly speaking, gui looks like shit
15:37 RealBadAngel hehe
15:38 thexyz will it be free/libre?
15:38 RealBadAngel thexyz, have you seen facedir screens?
15:38 thexyz yeah
15:38 RealBadAngel i will push it later today
15:39 thexyz good
15:39 RealBadAngel have you read also about multibox?
15:39 thexyz no
15:40 RealBadAngel nodebox with each box in it with its own textures
15:44 RealBadAngel going to make it as a next step. in fact i already tested it. but lua interface code will take much longer than actual c++ code
15:45 rubenwardy what GUI element does MT use for inventory / menus
15:45 RealBadAngel all irrlicht stuff
15:46 rubenwardy ...
15:46 rubenwardy IGUIWindow?
15:46 rubenwardy I will just read the source
15:46 RealBadAngel read my patch makin new volume submenu
15:48 RealBadAngel also you may want to analyze this: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/example005.html
15:49 rubenwardy yeah, I know about that
15:49 rubenwardy so MT just use a 2d rectangle
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15:57 thexyz rubenwardy: will it be free/libre?
15:58 sfan5 <rubenwardy> My project will probably be opensource
15:59 thexyz hm
15:59 sfan5 i hate this! error: invalid conversion from 'const char*' to 'char*' [-fpermissive]
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16:05 sfan5 i finally managed it to compile this damn code
16:06 jordach the irrlicht for droid?
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16:06 sfan5 no
16:06 jordach linux kernel?
16:07 sfan5 no
16:07 sfan5 thread addidion to MineMovie
16:07 jordach AYE.
16:07 jordach that sounds awesome
16:08 robertj does minetest have a built in server browser?
16:08 sfan5 not really
16:08 rubenwardy HexChat crashed!
16:08 sfan5 but a builtin server list
16:08 rubenwardy thexyz: the gui looks like shit because it looks like shit
16:09 robertj i'm confused, so it does register with a central server?
16:09 jordach robertj, every time you login to a server you have not been on is the registration
16:09 rubenwardy it gets the details of servers from a central server
16:10 sfan5 now minemovie can record render and save images at the same
16:10 rubenwardy but you do not log into a central server
16:10 jordach (so i visit 127.0.0.1 for the first time, that is a registration)
16:10 robertj i dont' see a server list on the multiplayer tab though...
16:10 sfan5 time,the problem is that my hdd is not fast enough so the ram still fills up
16:10 rubenwardy you must not have a internet ready version
16:10 jordach robertj, then you need a build from thexyz, sfan5 or pilzadam#
16:10 rubenwardy called CURL
16:11 jordach rubenwardy, cURL
16:11 rubenwardy ...
16:11 sfan5 yeah jordach's right
16:11 robertj jordach, is upstream not accepting patches or something?
16:11 jordach robertj, upstream (master) @ github.com/minetest/minetest is accepting patches
16:12 robertj so why does it not have the server browser? did they just not want to carry the dep?
16:12 rubenwardy it is an old version
16:12 rubenwardy and/or was not made with cURL enabled
16:12 robertj so building from head with the appropriate args would have it?
16:13 jordach robertj, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4240
16:13 jordach do download the latest
16:13 jordach then a button called "show servers" will appear in the multiplayer tab
16:14 jordach btw, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=72618#p72618
16:15 rubenwardy ^ spam :P
16:15 sfan5 jordach: nice
16:15 rubenwardy that is cool
16:15 jordach rubenwardy, you can watch me live later
16:15 jordach my ports are OPEN
16:15 jordach bar SSH
16:15 jordach :D
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16:16 jordach o hai PilzAdam, Calinou
16:16 jordach PilzAdam, you have three more BF3 fans
16:16 rubenwardy PilzAdam!
16:16 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
16:16 MinetestBot hi PilzAdam
16:16 Calinou hi
16:16 MinetestBot hi Calinou
16:16 Calinou jordach: /me is not a BF3 fan :<
16:16 * jordach waits for distribution upgrade
16:16 * Calinou is a PSU fan!
16:16 jordach Calinou, not you
16:17 jordach sfan5, instead of a hq format, why not use .pgv
16:17 jordach ogv*
16:17 jordach :trollface:
16:17 sfan5 maybe
16:17 Calinou webm ftw
16:17 sfan5 the .mov format seems to be simple
16:17 Calinou (actually, VP8 for video and vorbis for audio)
16:17 jordach sfan5, thats QUICKTIME.
16:17 sfan5 and it supports inputting the direct png data without any conversion
16:18 jordach thats an apple thing.
16:18 Calinou ^
16:18 Calinou VP8 is very efficient, I tried it already
16:18 jordach if i wanted apple video, i'd use itunes u
16:18 * jordach found a chromium bug on imgur.com
16:18 jordach go use middle mouse button, it summons the upload file!
16:19 sfan5 its a simple format (although the developer documentation is 433 sites and a 4.7 mb pdf file)
16:19 Calinou http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/misc/tm.webm < 1280×720 webm video, 15.8MB only :P
16:19 robertj ok, so now i'm using the cool-people-version and the server list does show up
16:19 Calinou sfan5: so, would you use docx too?
16:19 sfan5 no
16:19 Calinou 4000 page documentation, it's an open format, just patented
16:19 sfan5 never
16:20 sfan5 i don't even use .doc
16:20 robertj can servers do anything in terms of client-side scripting?
16:20 sfan5 they can do nothing
16:20 thexyz rubenwardy: time to try irssi now then
16:20 sfan5 they can't even execute lua code on your client
16:20 thexyz it doesn't crash
16:20 rubenwardy no
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16:20 robertj sfan5, so if you want them to register a choice you dig a room, teleport them there, and tell them to press a button?
16:20 * jordach spots Calinou in the top right
16:21 sfan5 robertj: yeah
16:21 Calinou didn't use a timer for stopping video recording :P
16:21 jordach robertj, nope. its all server side.
16:21 Calinou and didn't cut it in openshot too
16:21 thexyz rubenwardy: why?
16:22 sfan5 jordach: what i did in the last 1.5 hours https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/commit/e038b90703d7ecd4be2b7ddeebe6075082a6e40b
16:22 jordach Calinou, also high five for clementine
16:22 Calinou :-D
16:22 * jordach likes the ithing syncing
16:22 * jordach has an ipad
16:22 thexyz wtf is minemovie?
16:22 jordach thexyz, a screencap in minetest
16:22 sfan5 thexyz: minetest built in videorecorder
16:23 * sfan5 has an ipod touch
16:23 thexyz hm..
16:23 jordach HOLD DAFUQ ON.
16:23 Calinou cool, no longer need to remember the ffmpeg command to record MT videos :>
16:23 thexyz that'll never be merged, you know?
16:23 * jordach has found a way to download ambiance
16:23 jordach without curl
16:23 jordach http://c55.me/blog/?p=1346
16:24 khonkhortisan ambience is great when swimming, but gets annoying with that bird sound
16:24 sfan5 Calinou: if you have a fast hdd thats good, because your ram gets full if the SaveThread can't save the images fast enough
16:24 jordach sfan5, stop using a bloated format
16:24 sfan5 png is not a bloated format
16:24 jordach .mov is
16:25 * khonkhortisan uses .mov
16:25 Calinou ^
16:25 Calinou webm pls
16:25 sfan5 i don't (fu*cking) use .mov
16:25 khonkhortisan I have no choice, it's what my camera uses
16:25 sfan5 khonkhortisan: you can easily convert it
16:25 jordach ...and fuck the poilce!
16:25 jordach police*
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16:25 sfan5 it just saves the frames as images
16:26 Calinou AVI recording could be nice too, lightweight on the CPU/GPU
16:26 khonkhortisan I didn't find converting that easy, but youtube did
16:26 Calinou then you encode in the format you like
16:26 sfan5 i used a program called Monte MovieMaker to combine these into a .mov file
16:26 sfan5 khonkhortisan: ffmpeg?
16:26 Calinou any 7200rpm HDD from < 3 years ago and today's 5400rpm HDDs are fast enough for this, at least for 1280×720 :P
16:26 khonkhortisan I was using some text commands and didn't get it right
16:26 Calinou sfan5: VLC can convert vids :P
16:26 sfan5 ik
16:26 Calinou and ffmpeg too, of course
16:27 sfan5 <Calinou> any 7200rpm HDD from < 3 years ago and today's 5400rpm HDDs are fast enough for this, at least for 1280×720 :P
16:27 Calinou and openshot (some free video editing software)
16:27 sfan5 my hdd doesn't manage it to save 30  800x600  frames in time
16:27 Calinou last one doesn't use several CPU cores, slow as hell :-D
16:27 thexyz saving movie in .png is just.. wrong?
16:27 thexyz and random too
16:27 jordach no .jpg? no .jpg.
16:28 sfan5 thexyz: i know that, i wanted a working example before i add some video codec
16:28 Calinou blame your laptop vendor for putting a 5400rpm HDD :P
16:28 sfan5 jordach: you jpg support will come in 2 mins
16:28 * sfan5 blames Packard Bell
16:28 sfan5 *your
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16:28 sfan5 *jpg
16:28 thexyz add a video codec into minetest?
16:29 sfan5 yes
16:29 sfan5 more like add a video coded to the SaveThread code
16:29 sfan5 *codec
16:29 thexyz oh well
16:29 thexyz anyway, that's not going into minetest/minetest so I should feel safe
16:30 sfan5 yeah
16:30 Calinou thexyz: why is it a bad idea to add a video codec into minetest?
16:30 thexyz but I'd suggest you to do something useful
16:30 khonkhortisan When did upstream move?
16:30 Calinou recording videos without using external software is a great idea, we just need a good format :p
16:30 thexyz why is it a good idea?
16:30 sfan5 khonkhortisan: yesterday
16:30 thexyz let's implement our new one then!
16:30 thexyz MinetestVideo
16:30 Calinou not everyone wants to learn your magic ffmpeg command
16:31 thexyz .mv
16:31 Calinou no new formats, no
16:31 khonkhortisan okay, so I didn't really miss it then
16:31 thexyz great?
16:31 thexyz why no?
16:31 jordach because nobody knows the format
16:31 Calinou use a free format like webm or ogv...
16:31 khonkhortisan there are many great reasons why not to create a new format
16:31 PilzAdam thexyz, have you updated travis?
16:31 thexyz there are as well many great reasons why not to include video codec into minetest
16:31 thexyz PilzAdam: no, why should I?
16:32 PilzAdam because it still says c55/minetest
16:32 PilzAdam and there were also problems in one build IIRC
16:32 Calinou look at minecraft, look at the amount of players requesting ingame video recording, we could basically beat mojang on that point
16:32 rubenwardy has upstream moved?
16:32 thexyz PilzAdam: https://travis-ci.org/minetest/minetest
16:32 PilzAdam rubenwardy, yes, to minetest/minetest
16:32 rubenwardy ooh
16:32 rubenwardy why?
16:32 thexyz all new commits should appear there
16:32 PilzAdam minetest is now an organization
16:32 rubenwardy is the focus going away from celeron66?
16:33 rubenwardy *55
16:33 jordach aw man
16:33 rubenwardy oh right
16:33 thexyz we took it over from c55
16:33 PilzAdam rubenwardy, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-02-24#i_2893971
16:34 khonkhortisan Why is there no git remote set-url -push origin <url> ?
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16:34 khonkhortisan I mean, --pull
16:34 infinity_69 hi
16:34 MinetestBot hi infinity_69
16:34 rubenwardy I see
16:34 infinity_69 stfu MinetestBot, i hate you, get it yet?
16:34 infinity_69 hi ruben
16:34 infinity_69 :D
16:35 sfan5 TheBonsai: what about this? ;) http://pastie.org/private/tyv6b1pgcjl3dmu9l3evow
16:35 rubenwardy hi...
16:35 infinity_69 rubenwardy, how do i add a comment to html/php
16:35 rubenwardy for html: <!--   comment  -->
16:35 rubenwardy for php: // comment
16:35 rubenwardy or /*  comment  */
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16:36 infinity_69 well, .php but not in a php script block
16:36 thexyz sfan5: TheBonsai is probably not interested in that
16:36 sfan5 fuck autocomplete
16:36 infinity_69 so its <!--  comment -->
16:36 rubenwardy <!--   comment  --> is readable by the users that visit the page
16:36 sfan5 thexyz: what about this? ;) http://pastie.org/private/tyv6b1pgcjl3dmu9l3evow
16:36 rubenwardy / goes in <?php   ?>
16:36 rubenwardy *// goes in <?php ?>
16:36 Calinou heh, TheBonsai IRCs as root
16:36 john_minetest rubenwardy: can I help you with art for your "The Survivor" game?
16:36 infinity_69 <?php ?> is a php script block...
16:36 khonkhortisan I would assume that's dangerous in some way
16:37 rubenwardy of course
16:37 infinity_69 hey rubenwardy, is it possible for a php script to get info about the browser that the website is being viewed from?
16:37 thexyz or just has his/her ident spoofed
16:37 john_minetest rubenwardy: A simple blender render of a box I just made in a few seconds: http://ompldr.org/vaGwzaw/box.png
16:38 rubenwardy nice
16:38 RealBadAngel another image from tests: again just one node: http://i.imgur.com/m9sInWR.jpg
16:39 jordach TETRIS
16:40 john_minetest RealBadAngel: This looks like one of the 3d puzzle games where you have to rotate blocks to get somewhere.
16:40 jordach hey RealBadAngel
16:40 RealBadAngel hehe
16:40 john_minetest or tetris.
16:40 john_minetest :D
16:40 * jordach is a linux user now
16:40 thexyz sfan5: I don't get it, where do you push things into RenderThread's m_quene?
16:40 thexyz also, what does m_quene mean?
16:41 thexyz it looks more like a stack..
16:41 infinity_69 m_quene = my quiet users even nest everything
16:41 sfan5 i probably ment m_queue
16:41 infinity_69 oh :D
16:41 thexyz not queue
16:41 khonkhortisan looks like quiche to me
16:41 sfan5 .....
16:41 thexyz anyway, >where do you push things into RenderThread's m_quene?
16:41 sfan5 its not RenderThread
16:41 sfan5 no wait
16:42 sfan5 ...
16:42 jordach m_queef :lol:
16:42 * jordach grins
16:42 thexyz also
16:42 thexyz sfan5: that video format is fun
16:43 thexyz I'll probably have to buy another 3tb drive
16:43 sfan5 thexyz: i used an existing std::vector and referenced it, so i don't have to make additional code for pushing the images to the vecotr
16:43 sfan5 *vector
16:43 jordach like a house of fun?
16:43 thexyz sfan5: there's also std::queue
16:44 thexyz which is FIFO queue, and your "queue" is actually LIFO (stack)
16:44 sfan5 i just wrote "const car* video_fmt"
16:44 thexyz or, well, I can't be sure because I don't see any push-es to it
16:45 sfan5 thexyz: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/blob/minemovie/src/game.cpp#L1719
16:46 sfan5 that is referenced at https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/blob/minemovie/src/game.cpp#L2119
16:48 PilzAdam sfan5, is the minemovie branch in a "stable" state?
16:48 sfan5 yes
16:49 PilzAdam Ill maybe do an win build
16:49 sfan5 i could do that too
16:49 sfan5 PilzAdam: did you test minemovie for yourself?
16:49 * PilzAdam is testing right now
16:50 PilzAdam yay! crashed
16:50 sfan5 did you ram fill up?
16:50 sfan5 *your
16:50 PilzAdam nope
16:50 PilzAdam Speicherzugriffsfehler (Speicherabzug geschrieben)
16:51 Calinou segfault
16:51 sfan5 thats just a segfault
16:51 * Calinou does not speak german
16:51 PilzAdam happens instantly when pressing F8
16:51 thexyz gdb time
16:51 sfan5 i had to use gdb too, the debug binary of minetest was 42 mb
16:52 Calinou PilzAdam: did you bind console to F8? :P
16:52 Calinou didn't have a chat console segfault in a long time personally
16:53 PilzAdam sfan5, git reset HEAD~1 works until stopping the record
16:53 sfan5 PilzAdam: make sure you don't go before the "fix segfault" commit
16:55 sfan5 jordach: you order has been delivered ;) https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/commit/f881346f53ec56a0bd793382818e4f2720e97f45
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16:58 Calinou call it video_format instead, not video_fmt
16:58 Calinou more self-explanatory :P
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16:58 * PilzAdam SysRQ'd
16:59 john_minetest PilzAdam: What have you done? How did you crash it?
16:59 PilzAdam <PilzAdam> sfan5, is the minemovie branch in a "stable" state?
16:59 PilzAdam <sfan5> yes
16:59 PilzAdam ^ no :-D
16:59 john_minetest xD
17:00 sfan5 PilzAdam: it should be stable
17:00 john_minetest I never used SysRQ.
17:00 sfan5 i tested it multiple times after each change
17:00 PilzAdam my ram filled up
17:01 PilzAdam lets to the same thing again :-)
17:01 sfan5 *do
17:02 * Calinou will test sfan5's branch
17:02 sfan5 yay
17:02 PilzAdam sfan5, it simply segfaults every time I stop recording
17:02 PilzAdam and with the latest commit it segfaults at startup
17:02 PilzAdam *starting recording
17:02 sfan5 i use 7dfab68e1b and it works
17:03 Calinou my 12GB ram will finally be useful :-D
17:03 sfan5 try building a debug build and debugging with gdb
17:03 khonkhortisan A fluid simulation in blender could easily eat that up
17:03 PilzAdam sfan5, oh, wait, lemme get the latest 2 commits
17:04 sfan5 the 2 latest commits should fix that problem
17:04 * sfan5 will try .jpg format
17:04 PilzAdam it still segfaults when pressing F8 :-)
17:05 PilzAdam *:-(
17:05 sfan5 time to <sfan5> try building a debug build and debugging with gdb
17:05 Calinou have to go :|
17:05 sfan5 :|
17:05 Calinou lots of warnings when compiling, btw
17:05 sfan5 ik
17:05 PilzAdam I see the "record starging" thing for some milliseconds or so
17:07 sfan5 ~2000 frames in jpg - 200 mb
17:07 thexyz now convert it into h264
17:08 thexyz to see the difference
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17:08 markveidemanis hi
17:09 markveidemanis help
17:09 markveidemanis i need the player sit mod...
17:09 markveidemanis and better breathing animation links
17:09 sfan5 ask google
17:10 markveidemanis k, i should have thought of that... :D
17:10 rubenwardy the current idle animation looks like the avatar is humping the air
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17:11 PilzAdam sfan5, it stops at: RenderThread::Thread (this=0x7fffffffb620) at /home/adam/Minetest/minetest/src/game.cpp:265
17:11 PilzAdam 265                             image->setPixel(x,y,irr::video::SColor(255,r,g,b),false);
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17:12 sfan5 PilzAdam: have you changed the window size during recording
17:12 PilzAdam nope
17:12 sfan5 hm
17:12 PilzAdam i just pressed F8
17:12 sfan5 screen resulution
17:12 sfan5 ?
17:12 PilzAdam default
17:12 PilzAdam 800x600 iirc
17:12 sfan5 hm
17:13 markveidemanis ok i have been away a few weeks, fill me in
17:13 markveidemanis whats new
17:13 sfan5 PilzAdam: could you type "bt" into the gdb console
17:13 sfan5 markveidemanis: i started working on my minetest built in video recorder again
17:13 markveidemanis link?
17:14 * VanessaE peeks in.  boo.
17:14 markveidemanis just use fraps
17:14 thexyz no, ffmpeg
17:14 * sfan5 agrees
17:14 sfan5 VanessaE: hello, do you have time to test https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/tree/minemovie
17:14 markveidemanis just compiling now...
17:14 markveidemanis lots of new cpp's
17:15 VanessaE not right now
17:15 markveidemanis i would test...
17:15 VanessaE not really awake right now
17:15 markveidemanis but im not compiling again and recording freezez my pc
17:15 sfan5 VanessaE: ok
17:16 markveidemanis OldCoder...
17:16 markveidemanis i need to reset the map of my server... :D
17:16 markveidemanis so many unknown blocks...
17:17 markveidemanis has the latest update addressed speed?
17:17 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/ is screwed
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17:18 infinity_69 hi
17:18 MinetestBot hi infinity_69
17:18 infinity_69 oh, come on!
17:18 markveidemanis hi
17:18 markveidemanis LOL
17:18 infinity_69 what
17:18 infinity_69 :D
17:18 markveidemanis haha he listens to you!!
17:19 infinity_69 who, mtb?
17:19 markveidemanis doesn't give a shit to me...
17:19 markveidemanis yep
17:19 infinity_69 yeah, it's my bit*h
17:19 infinity_69 :D
17:19 rubenwardy markveidemanis: you are on the ignorelist
17:19 markveidemanis !up yourmom.com 30029
17:19 infinity_69 hey mark, lets play 8 ball pool multiplayer on miniclip
17:19 infinity_69 :D
17:19 markveidemanis uhh...ok
17:20 infinity_69 !up hvgaming.bugs3.com 80
17:20 MinetestBot hvgaming.bugs3.com:80 seems to be down
17:20 infinity_69 aww...
17:20 rubenwardy https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/antiabuse.py#L10
17:20 markveidemanis minetest org 30010
17:20 infinity_69 :/
17:20 infinity_69 hehe
17:20 infinity_69 hey rubenwardy, come here and lets play
17:21 infinity_69 http://www.miniclip.com/games/8-ball-pool-multiplayer/en/
17:23 markveidemanis who has been on minetest.org server?
17:23 markveidemanis who to grant interact...
17:23 infinity_69 idk...
17:23 infinity_69 :D
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17:23 markveidemanis who wants to be MOD ?
17:24 markveidemanis you get teleport,basic_privs,give,fly,noclip
17:24 thexyz me!
17:24 infinity_69 ME
17:24 infinity_69 :D
17:24 markveidemanis no
17:24 infinity_69 o.o
17:24 MinetestBot infinity_69: What are you wondering about?
17:24 markveidemanis not thexyz
17:24 thexyz why are you asking then?
17:24 infinity_69 oh, nothing...just chilling...
17:24 markveidemanis infinity_69: you really wanna be mod?
17:24 markveidemanis how often will u go on
17:24 infinity_69 nope :D
17:25 infinity_69 i wont
17:25 markveidemanis u need to be like davidpace on redcrab
17:25 markveidemanis that often!
17:25 markveidemanis lol
17:25 infinity_69 so, i have to be a "no-lifer"?
17:25 markveidemanis yop
17:25 markveidemanis im sure you can find someone like that here
17:26 * markveidemanis reconsiders thexyz...
17:26 infinity_69 :d
17:27 infinity_69 hey, if i just open a .py file with python, does the bot connect to a channel?
17:27 markveidemanis yop
17:27 infinity_69 wow :D
17:27 markveidemanis not if its blank
17:27 infinity_69 nice
17:27 infinity_69 i know
17:27 infinity_69 i mean sfan5's bot
17:27 rubenwardy you need to have python installed
17:27 markveidemanis arrrggghhh...Minetest update
17:27 infinity_69 i know
17:27 markveidemanis why the shit selection box???
17:27 infinity_69 rly?
17:27 infinity_69 what
17:27 infinity_69 :D
17:28 markveidemanis and OH GOD the fly is...ruined
17:28 jordach bbiab
17:28 markveidemanis i knew this would happen...
17:28 rubenwardy I like the new fly
17:28 infinity_69 mark, you mean MT 0.4.4?
17:29 rubenwardy|away brb
17:29 infinity_69 ok
17:30 markveidemanis yep...
17:30 markveidemanis fly is shit
17:30 markveidemanis keep it as it isd
17:30 markveidemanis list of things to change:
17:30 infinity_69 oh, the noclip and fly were seperated
17:30 infinity_69 noclip = H
17:31 infinity_69 fly = F
17:31 jordach joined #minetest
17:31 infinity_69 i think...
17:31 markveidemanis remove noclip, make fly normal, make it faster...
17:31 markveidemanis and all that
17:31 * jordach is back
17:31 jordach markveidemanis, fly was changed since people didnt want to intrude by accident
17:32 markveidemanis intrude?
17:32 rubenwardy|away I like the changes
17:32 infinity_69 me too
17:32 markveidemanis make it configurable
17:32 rubenwardy it is
17:32 rubenwardy just keep noclip on all of the time
17:32 rubenwardy and fast as well
17:32 markveidemanis rightclick still drops my adminpick
17:32 * rubenwardy is back
17:33 jordach rubenwardy, wanna see the map properly?
17:33 rubenwardy yeah?
17:33 jordach pm for IP
17:33 markveidemanis fast is too slow!!!
17:34 markveidemanis how do i fix the minecraft-like fly bullshit?
17:34 infinity_69 then put fast on!
17:34 markveidemanis i did
17:34 infinity_69 you dont
17:34 jordach markveidemanis, YOU CANT
17:34 infinity_69 deal with it
17:34 infinity_69 jordach, there is 1 way...
17:34 jordach markveidemanis, physics
17:34 markveidemanis HELP THEN!
17:34 infinity_69 change the c++ code
17:34 markveidemanis FUCK YOU NEWTON
17:34 jordach change noclip. fuck minetest.
17:35 jordach up*
17:35 jordach bbiab, rubenwardy food
17:35 markveidemanis who wants to build skytown?
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17:36 infinity_69 ME
17:36 infinity_69 ...NOT
17:36 markveidemanis anyone??>>>
17:36 infinity_69 nope
17:36 markveidemanis I will!
17:36 kaeza joined #minetest
17:36 markveidemanis when do i get started?
17:36 kaeza greetings
17:36 markveidemanis kaeza
17:37 kaeza sup markv?
17:37 markveidemanis greetings fellow earthling
17:37 markveidemanis i invite you to join my server to build skytown
17:37 kaeza markveidemanis, too busy right now
17:37 markveidemanis ok
17:37 kaeza maybe later :)
17:37 markveidemanis who else will?
17:38 markveidemanis when you come on, just type /go skytown
17:41 markveidemanis who is feeling random today?
17:42 kaeza VanessaE, are you here?
17:42 infinity_69 she isnt here, kaeza, go away...
17:42 infinity_69 xD
17:42 VanessaE barely.
17:42 markveidemanis is 'markveidemanis, too busy right now' a polite way of saying i don't give a shit?
17:42 markveidemanis :D
17:42 kaeza ah ok. I have some nice stuff for homedecor
17:42 VanessaE oh?
17:43 webdesigner97 joined #minetest
17:43 infinity_69 omg, she is real o.o
17:43 VanessaE yeah, I'm real.
17:43 kaeza all stuff in which you can store things (cabinets, fridge, etc) have a locked version
17:43 VanessaE nice
17:43 infinity_69 OMG, she talked to me O.O
17:43 * infinity_69 fainted
17:44 kaeza VanessaE, I will make a pull request for it if you are interested.
17:44 kaeza It's only a small change to init.lua and a new file
17:44 VanessaE please do
17:45 Exio kaeza: hey! long time no see!
17:45 kaeza sup Exio? how you doin'?
17:45 Exio nvm, you? :P
17:46 kaeza not much :P just h4x1ng
17:46 infinity_69 KAEZA, you h4x3r
17:46 infinity_69 xD
17:46 kaeza also: I'm at home!!11!!!one!!!
17:46 VanessaE h4x0r you mean
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17:47 VanessaE kaeza: internet access finally?  that took long enough huh.
17:47 infinity_69 vanessae, tomato, tomata
17:47 kaeza err...what?
17:47 VanessaE no.  that is a word you must never misspell.
17:47 * VanessaE takes away infinity_69's geek card.
17:47 VanessaE kaeza: you were having connectivity issues at home I thought?
17:48 kaeza yup, sadly :(
17:48 kaeza not anymore :)
17:48 VanessaE went with the other ISP then?
17:48 infinity_69 please, VanessaE, please give it back, my mom uses it in the library...
17:48 kaeza now I can play on your server ^_^
17:48 kaeza no :(
17:48 VanessaE the one that wasn't gonna shaft you
17:48 VanessaE aw.  damn :(
17:49 VanessaE kaeza: you know it has a new map now, right?
17:49 infinity_69 so, vaness, what about it?
17:49 infinity_69 will you give it back?
17:49 VanessaE infinity_69: sorry, already shredded it.
17:49 kaeza yup
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17:49 jfu a question, there is no information on the wiki about coppar ingot. is that because im playing using some special mod?
17:50 infinity_69 o.o'
17:50 * VanessaE hands infinity_69 a small pile of shreddings and a roll of scotch tape
17:50 kaeza jfu, it's from moreores
17:50 infinity_69 thanks...
17:50 infinity_69 -.-
17:50 jfu kaeza: ok thx
17:50 VanessaE jfu: More Ores mod.  and it's "copper"
17:50 infinity_69 vanessae, do you have any duck tape?
17:50 jfu english isnt my native tounge so...
17:50 VanessaE nope
17:50 infinity_69 tounge?
17:50 infinity_69 xD
17:50 infinity_69 oh ok...
17:51 infinity_69 o.o
17:51 MinetestBot infinity_69: What are you wondering about?
17:51 VanessaE tongue.
17:51 infinity_69 your shiney metal as*
17:51 infinity_69 yeah, i understood that, but i mean that it isnt tongue, its language xD
17:51 kaeza jfu, just find copper, and cook it to get ingots
17:51 infinity_69 VanessaE, lick my shiney metal a*s
17:51 VanessaE infinity_69: "native tongue" is a synonym for "native language".
17:52 infinity_69 potato, tomato... -.-
17:52 infinity_69 g2g
17:52 infinity_69 bye
17:52 VanessaE good.
17:52 infinity_69 troll with ya tomorrow
17:52 infinity_69 was kicked by VanessaE: infinity_69
17:52 VanessaE :)
17:52 kaeza lol
17:52 kaeza speedquit?
17:53 VanessaE had to, couldn't pass up the opportunity :-)
17:53 markveidemanis i use that sometimes
17:53 markveidemanis mostly not of my choice...
17:53 kaeza <chuck_norris> /roundhousekick markveidemanis
17:54 jfu kaeza: yeah thats what i did, then i looked at the wiki and couldnt find any info so i assume this server used some addons of sort, or the wiki wasnt updated
17:55 kaeza hmm...
17:57 kaeza jfu, BTW, what's your native language, if I may ask?
17:58 * jordach pokes rubenwardy
17:58 rubenwardy potato!
18:00 jfu kaeza: swedish
18:00 kaeza ah ok. just asking :)
18:07 Noklz joined #minetest
18:07 Noklz ghrshadfhsfgu';jtr'#fhg;jo/#kjdt/'#fhk'tchv#lkdt#f
18:07 Noklz hgjl',dtg
18:07 Noklz #k'dt]f#ig
18:07 Noklz j'esrdg#ik'jhse
18:10 Noklz was kicked by VanessaE: Noklz
18:10 thexyz why ban?
18:10 VanessaE I have no tolerance for join+flood
18:10 VanessaE I seen way too much of that shit over the years.
18:11 VanessaE besides, it ain't permanent.
18:13 kaeza LM again?
18:14 VanessaE dunno
18:14 VanessaE though LM's usual modus operandi isn't to just join+flood with random gibberish
18:14 VanessaE (usually it's more....colorful... and directed)
18:14 kaeza yeah, I guess
18:15 khonkhortisan it looks like qwerty flood
18:16 VanessaE gotta run
18:16 khonkhortisan MinetestBot says bye
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18:16 jordach VanessaE, that isnt him, sky.com is a british ISP
18:17 Noklz joined #minetest
18:17 Noklz bad cat no walking on keyboard
18:17 Noklz so i downloaded minetest today
18:17 Noklz i put bookshelfs everywhere and the screen went black
18:17 Noklz what hapened
18:18 khonkhortisan Did you place the bookshelves straight down, making yourself inside them?
18:18 jordach the pattern does match a cat's walking
18:18 kaeza VanessaE, https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/pull/2
18:18 Noklz oooh i got trapped in the bookshelves
18:18 Noklz oops
18:19 jordach Noklz, the walking is a cat pattern
18:19 jordach he went left to right
18:19 Noklz yay
18:19 khonkhortisan but there's no 3, just #
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18:20 jordach kaeza, implent whats in this list: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=59327#p59327
18:20 jordach implement
18:20 jordach **
18:20 OldCoder Hi
18:20 MinetestBot hi OldCoder
18:20 jordach morning OldCoder
18:20 OldCoder Oh
18:21 OldCoder Noklz found this room?
18:21 Noklz yes
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18:21 Noklz meow
18:21 kaeza jordach, now THAT's a list :D
18:21 OldCoder Noklz, behave
18:21 Noklz CAN YOU SPAWN CATS IN MINETEST
18:21 OldCoder Noklz, we will
18:21 OldCoder Folks, Noklz is a bit different
18:21 jordach kaeza, go nuts
18:21 OldCoder Noklz, you must moderate yourself here
18:21 Noklz oldcoder are you a developer of minetest
18:21 jordach Noklz, the nyan cat can be spawned
18:22 khonkhortisan When I was new to minetest, I made a long hallway, slanted down from the shore because I didn't know about buckets with a river through the center. I then made a library, complete with fireplace and bookshelves. The bookshelves soon burned down.
18:22 OldCoder Noklz, I was... it was interrupted but will resume
18:22 Noklz ok
18:22 Noklz oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo#
18:22 OldCoder Noklz, you can be different here but there are limits
18:22 Noklz ew limits
18:22 OldCoder They are not going to allow some of the usual stuff
18:22 khonkhortisan to get things to move other than people you need mods
18:22 Noklz i peel my skin off and put it in a pickle jar
18:22 OldCoder Others, Noklz here is very different
18:23 OldCoder Noklz, No!
18:23 OldCoder You will need to chill
18:23 Noklz No?
18:23 OldCoder Or they will mute you
18:23 Noklz :(
18:23 khonkhortisan that won't preserver it
18:23 OldCoder Actually, I will
18:23 Noklz WHAT ARE YOU OP
18:23 OldCoder What was the flag again?
18:23 * jordach is considering writing a highlights of #minetest
18:23 OldCoder Yes, actually
18:23 khonkhortisan there are ops lurking around
18:23 jordach OldCoder, +q
18:23 Noklz NONOVONVOBNFXKNPLH;'
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18:23 OldCoder jordach, I will mute him until he gets accustomed to the place
18:23 Noklz no :<
18:23 OldCoder Noklz, you know it's for the best
18:24 jordach "This isn't a playground."
18:24 OldCoder Hang on while I op myself... Looking for the command
18:24 Noklz :( why are you doing this
18:24 * khonkhortisan ops OldCoder
18:24 OldCoder To help you
18:24 OldCoder Damn can't find my notes
18:24 Noklz left #minetest
18:24 OldCoder Huh
18:24 khonkhortisan leaving won't stop a quiet
18:25 markveidemanis OldCoder
18:25 OldCoder Folks if he returns and I am not here, mute him but don't shout at him... he is very different
18:25 OldCoder markveidemanis, Hi
18:25 kaeza OldCoder, /msg chanserv OP #minetest OldCoder ?
18:25 OldCoder kaeza, ty
18:25 khonkhortisan what kind of different?
18:25 OldCoder khonkhortisan, I am actually writing a book about all of the people I know... online and in real life
18:25 markveidemanis can you reset my server map?
18:25 khonkhortisan cool
18:25 OldCoder My redacted family and some of the people I've grown to know here
18:26 OldCoder I think it will be interesting
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18:26 markveidemanis OC..
18:26 OldCoder We know some things about Noklz... it is probably a combination of roleplay and neurodiverse
18:26 OldCoder Like you MarkV. What do you need?
18:26 jordach OldCoder, markveidemanis is requesting his server map reset
18:26 OldCoder Ah!
18:26 OldCoder Whoa
18:26 markveidemanis can you reset the map except the worldedit things
18:26 markveidemanis in an hour
18:26 OldCoder You are requesting an erase??
18:27 markveidemanis just too many unknowns
18:27 markveidemanis yep
18:27 jordach markveidemanis, worldedit //save will be helpful
18:27 markveidemanis but not now
18:27 OldCoder I don't wish to do that!
18:27 OldCoder Is there no other way?
18:27 Vadtec each game defined in minetest will look in games/<game folder here> for minetest.conf, correct?
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18:27 jordach OldCoder, i have now switched to linux full time
18:27 kaeza Vadtec, nope
18:27 OldCoder markveidemanis, If the world can't be fixed we'll discuss it
18:27 markveidemanis i think minetest's terrain has improved
18:27 khonkhortisan minetest.conf is in games/..
18:27 OldCoder jordach, All right. I'd love to talk distros sometimes.
18:27 jordach markveidemanis, that is correct
18:27 Vadtec kaeza: where does it look then?
18:27 OldCoder markveidemanis, It is my hope...
18:27 jordach Vadtec, what specifics
18:27 Vadtec ah, ok
18:27 markveidemanis and practically the only buildings are spawn and skycity
18:28 OldCoder and this is for others too...
18:28 khonkhortisan <homedir>/.minetest/minetest.conf
18:28 kaeza Vadtec, ~/.minetest/minetest.conf
18:28 OldCoder To return full time to Minetest as a full fledged core dev this Spring
18:28 OldCoder markveidemanis, until some things are settled
18:28 OldCoder I am proceeding very cautiously with my worlds
18:28 Vadtec jordach: i want to tune active_block_range a bit, but it doesnt seem to be persisting after server restarts
18:28 OldCoder A reset is a last resort but we can discuss it
18:29 jordach Vadtec, aye, that sounds reasonable
18:29 OldCoder I have a meeting down the street in real life... with the patent attorney I call DNA on my blog and an old friend from 20 years ago
18:29 Roukoswarf-M joined #minetest
18:29 OldCoder Today and tomorrow I got more IRL stuff to deal with. But I should be around on Wednesday to discuss updates and resets.
18:29 jordach Deoxysneurofib<something or other>
18:29 OldCoder Yep
18:30 khonkhortisan deoxyribose-neucleic acid
18:30 OldCoder Again... if Noklz comes you will need to mute him. Do that instead of kick ban please.
18:30 Vadtec jordach: the thing is, im not finding minetest.conf in any dirs other than the example one
18:30 OldCoder He will adapt in time
18:30 markveidemanis 10680 nodes saved
18:30 khonkhortisan without the neuro fiber
18:30 OldCoder He is the I call No Clues on my blog
18:30 OldCoder :-)
18:30 OldCoder How did he find Minetest? I don't think he plays games
18:30 Roukoswarf-M joined #minetest
18:30 jordach OldCoder, i am currently hanging around here for a while, it'd be best to tell me the command for a mute and OP me until you return
18:30 jordach (or at least you become free.)
18:31 NekoGloop|Laptop joined #minetest
18:31 markveidemanis NO theres conifers...
18:31 Roukoswarf-M joined #minetest
18:31 markveidemanis il just save spawn_building
18:31 Taoki joined #minetest
18:32 khonkhortisan Is it possible with mesecons for a node to both conduct and run a function on change?
18:32 ttk2 joined #minetest
18:32 sfan5 khonkhortisan: iirc yes
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18:33 markveidemanis now for skycity...
18:33 kaeza speaking of mesecons, it seems there's a bug with movestones
18:33 jordach kaeza, hm?
18:33 khonkhortisan I think that's a long-standing one
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18:33 kaeza if I put a node in "front" of the device (to be pushed) it overwrites it at stop
18:34 khonkhortisan it's supposed to create an entity out of it while moving it
18:34 markveidemanis saving skycity...
18:34 OldCoder jordach, you are temporarily opped
18:34 jordach thanks
18:34 jordach pm me the +q command
18:34 Roukoswarf-M joined #minetest
18:34 OldCoder jordach, you'll need to review the commands by Google... I must leave for a meeting and can't PM the command
18:34 jordach just in case.
18:35 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts a kitten on jordach's head
18:35 OldCoder Plus thexyz will tell you if he is awake
18:35 kaeza and if I put it in the back to be pulled by a stick MvS, it just leaves it one node behind
18:35 kaeza sticky*
18:35 OldCoder jordach, do not shout at No Clues or lecture him
18:35 markveidemanis /mode #minetest jordach +q
18:35 markveidemanis or smth
18:35 OldCoder Treat as an obstreperous child
18:35 OldCoder Simply mute him for a while
18:35 OldCoder He learns from that
18:35 OldCoder Prefers to be a part of things
18:35 NekoGloop|Laptop /mode #minetest +q jordach
18:35 jordach OldCoder, i understand
18:35 OldCoder Heh
18:35 jordach NekoGloop|Laptop, hai
18:36 markveidemanis i think i crashed ur VPS...
18:36 jordach btw, my map is actually open atm
18:36 NekoGloop|Laptop Then I'll view it
18:36 markveidemanis let me know if it saves it
18:36 jordach NekoGloop|Laptop, pm
18:36 markveidemanis also, the server logs dont work
18:36 NekoGloop|Laptop After all, I can multitask with minetest on this laptop
18:36 NekoGloop|Laptop (unlike my PC)
18:37 Exio jordach: /mode #channel +q <mask>, the mask has a "format" nick!ident@host, and accepts wildcards,
18:37 khonkhortisan /msg NickServ identify mysupersecretpass
18:37 khonkhortisan oops :P
18:37 NekoGloop|Laptop /mode #minetest +q *!*@*
18:37 Exio xD
18:37 NekoGloop|Laptop Shaddup.
18:37 jordach winning.
18:37 markveidemanis whythe **---!!!888!__-
18:38 NekoGloop|Laptop That reminds me, I need to pin Minetest to my start menu and taskbar.
18:38 * john_minetest puts a kitten on NekoGloop's Laptop
18:38 * NekoGloop|Laptop the kitten types really well bfdkajgbfbhajiuaug89h8qb438787thrdsgfehugre
18:38 khonkhortisan I just run minetest from the same terminal I git pull and make it in
18:39 khonkhortisan that's now a running joke
18:39 jordach btw, i aint as leaniant as marktraceur
18:40 jordach a joke is fine, but bullying isnt
18:40 NekoGloop|Laptop I so l33t, i download LoL, play youtube videos, play minetest, and download SMBX. At once.
18:40 * rubenwardy puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
18:40 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens
18:41 NekoGloop|Laptop I can use more of my internet than I have internet. This is new.
18:41 rubenwardy should I eat you?
18:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: You decide
18:41 jordach NekoGloop|Laptop, time out
18:41 rubenwardy should I eat you?
18:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: You decide
18:41 rubenwardy should I eat you?
18:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: You decide
18:41 rubenwardy should I eat a kitten?
18:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I don't recommend eating kittens
18:41 NekoGloop|Laptop jordach: yes?
18:41 jordach reconnect
18:41 rubenwardy should I eat nekogloop?
18:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: You decide
18:41 rubenwardy should I eat a bot?
18:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Don't eat me D:
18:41 NekoGloop|Laptop should i eat a cake?
18:41 MinetestBot NekoGloop|Laptop: You decide
18:41 rubenwardy should I eat MinetestBot?
18:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Don't eat me D:
18:42 rubenwardy should I eat sfan?
18:42 MinetestBot rubenwardy: You decide
18:42 Vadtec so if active_block_range is 5, and i want to use teleport pipes from pipeworks to send items 1000m away, what happens to the items being sent if the other end isnt loaded and active? do the items just get queue up, or do they poof?
18:43 Vadtec or by the same token, what if i run a long pipeline between the two ends, what happens if the middle sections arent loaded?
18:46 thexyz wtf happened?
18:47 Vadtec thexyz: was that for me?
18:48 rubenwardy woops, accidental DDOS: * Ping reply from wolfe.freenode.net: 39.38 second(s)
18:48 * rubenwardy wants somebody to make a map for his game
18:49 thexyz Vadtec: not at all
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18:49 thexyz Vadtec: they'll freeze
18:49 thexyz forever
18:49 thexyz freezed forever
18:49 thexyz how sad
18:50 Vadtec thexyz: so id have to set active_block_range to something seriously high and hope the server can take it?
18:50 thexyz actually, there was some work on implementing entities that are not unloaded
18:51 thexyz it wasn't merged though
18:51 thexyz https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/446
18:51 Vadtec thats what i was looking for, similar to chunk loader from mc
18:52 Vadtec thexyz: any reason it wasnt merged?
18:52 thexyz Vadtec: let's see
18:52 thexyz (I asked in -dev)
18:53 markveidemanis I stayed up all night trying to remember if i had  amnesia or insomnia
18:53 markveidemanis :D
18:54 markveidemanis that reminds me...
18:54 markveidemanis need to buy burgers
18:54 rubenwardy bye guys
18:55 markveidemanis OldCoder
18:56 markveidemanis canno?
18:56 markveidemanis no?
18:57 markveidemanis who will build with me
18:57 jordach should i eat sfan5
18:57 MinetestBot jordach: You decide
18:58 markveidemanis for me?
18:58 markveidemanis work for me?
18:58 markveidemanis i say you eat him
18:58 jordach nah, got my own map to be doing
18:58 sfan5 jordach: no, but you should look ingame
19:03 Vadtec this active_block_range stuff is really annoying...for the moment its gonna make me rethink how i build my city
19:12 jfu lol, dont mine mese with a full inventory
19:12 jfu tip of the day
19:12 PilzAdam jfu, in latest dev it wont be lost
19:12 PilzAdam it will simply drop
19:12 jfu yeah, thing was. it was above lav
19:12 jfu lava
19:13 PilzAdam in default game, lava doesnt destroy items, and they dont disappear after some time
19:13 PilzAdam so you have time to get it back
19:13 jfu ah... ok
19:13 * jordach wonders if anything has happened
19:13 * jordach then reads scrollback
19:14 Vadtec jordach: ok...where does minetest.conf need to go? in games/ ?
19:14 jordach Vadtec, nope.
19:15 jordach its .minetest
19:15 Vadtec keep in mind, this is a server running on ubuntu compared to a normal client
19:15 jordach dunno where it sits as im a cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
19:15 Vadtec jordach: yeah, mine is runinplace too
19:16 Vadtec jordach: so since its run in place, should it go in the main minetest folder?
19:17 jordach Vadtec, i dont often open the .conf
19:17 Vadtec jordach: nor would i, cept i want to tweak active_block_range and its not persisting across restarts
19:18 jordach Vadtec, shutdown the server first
19:18 jordach the server on exit updates the .conf
19:18 Vadtec jordach: i dont even *have* a file named minetest.conf, anywhere in the dir, or even ~/.minetest
19:19 Vadtec vadtec@vadtec:~$ find . ! -type d -name "minetest.conf" -print | wc -l
19:19 Vadtec 0
19:19 jordach no clue
19:20 Vadtec so doing a /set in game doesnt cause it to write out the config file?
19:20 jin_xi hm, i think if you do run in place builds the conf file is in the minetest root directory
19:21 Vadtec jin_xi: obviously something is diff then, because as the paste i just did shows, there are NO files named minetest.conf anywhere in my home dir, period
19:23 * Vadtec goes code diving
19:25 jordach !up  81.155.108.41:30000
19:25 MinetestBot jordach: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
19:25 jordach !up 81.155.108.41 30000
19:25 MinetestBot 81.155.108.41:30000 is up (0.200ms)
19:25 jordach my map server is online
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19:32 thexyz Vadtec: it should be in the same directory as minetest.conf.example
19:32 thexyz same directory as minetest sources
19:32 thexyz (or 1 level up)
19:33 Vadtec thexyz: yeah, thats what the code is showing too
19:33 Vadtec im just tweaking a copy of the example file
19:33 Vadtec then gonna restart
19:37 jordach sfan5, server off for a few
19:37 sfan5 ok
19:37 jordach namely cpu cooling
19:38 jordach sfan5, the map now weighs 5.6mb
19:38 sfan5 yu no use ./minetestserver
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19:41 kaeza Vadtec, what's the '!' for?
19:41 kaeza 'not'?
19:41 jordach sfan5, still wastes cpu
19:42 jordach and shes returned to 48'C
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19:42 Oblivion1500 hello everyone
19:42 MinetestBot hi Oblivion1500
19:42 Oblivion1500 shut up bot
19:42 kaeza Vadtec, try find . -type f -name "minetest.conf" -print | wc -l
19:42 kaeza hi Oblivion1500
19:42 * jordach is considering 6ghz overclock with liquid nitrogen cooling
19:42 jordach only P4's can do this
19:42 Vadtec kaeza:
19:42 Vadtec [13:19:35] <Vadtec> vadtec@vadtec:~$ find . ! -type d -name "minetest.conf" -print | wc -l
19:42 Vadtec [13:19:35] <Vadtec> 0
19:42 Vadtec been there, done that
19:43 Vadtec ive been using *nix since the late 90s, im pretty well versed
19:43 jordach sfan5, up
19:43 kaeza hmm
19:43 sfan5 jordach: i'll come in 3 mins
19:44 jordach alrighty
19:44 Vadtec kaeza: the real question is why isnt it writing the config file upon exit
19:44 kaeza Vadtec, core dumped?
19:44 kaeza error before writing the config?
19:44 * jordach remembers the days when jordach actually ran a server
19:45 Vadtec kaeza: dont see any errors in the logs during shutdown
19:45 kaeza actually, before *opening* it
19:45 kaeza ha
19:45 kaeza ah
19:45 kaeza *
19:46 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts kittens on all the heads
19:48 kaeza hey Neko :3
19:48 kaeza how's it going?
19:49 thexyz Vadtec: why should it?
19:50 Vadtec thexyz: because i did a /set during run time and the change should be saved?
19:50 thexyz it cannot reload it while running so that'd be quite useless
19:50 Vadtec thexyz: if its not gonna save suring shutdown, there needs to be a config save command
19:51 NekoGloop|Laptop kaeza: Well I have a laptop that's superior to my desktop.
19:51 NekoGloop|Laptop So needless to say it's pretty damn good.
19:51 thexyz it should save it during shutdown
19:51 Vadtec thexyz: well, its not
19:52 Vadtec ive used /shutdown and killall on the server
19:52 Vadtec and it hasnt saved the conf file once
19:52 * jordach pokes VanessaE
19:52 kaeza NekoGloop|Laptop, congrats :) now you can get back to developing games for GM :)
19:53 NekoGloop|Laptop Sure, as soon as I buy studio.
19:53 jordach GM?
19:53 NekoGloop|Laptop Game Maker.
19:53 jordach OH
19:53 jordach y u no use stencyl
19:53 kaeza hm?
19:53 NekoGloop|Laptop because stencyl is bad.
19:54 NekoGloop|Laptop You, most definitely, should feel bad.
19:54 kaeza I wonder if there's a good free alternative to GM...
19:54 kaeza I tried the game editor but it was really crappy
19:55 NekoGloop|Laptop It's called Notepad++
19:55 NekoGloop|Laptop :-)
19:55 NekoGloop|Laptop Speaking of which, I should install that.
19:55 Vadtec notepad++ FTW
19:55 kaeza developing a base engine that can be used by most game genres is really hard :)
19:56 kaeza or at least time consuming :)
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19:56 Vadtec kaeza: that would simply entail a high level of abstraction
19:56 Vadtec as you said, loads of time
19:57 thexyz there's vim
19:57 thexyz there's emacs
19:57 thexyz but people still use np++
19:57 thexyz what the heck?
19:57 kaeza thexyz, not everyone care to remember 213459852134 keyboard commands?
19:57 NekoGloop|Laptop Because GUI?
19:57 kaeza :)
19:57 thexyz there's not too much to remember
19:58 Vadtec not to mention plugins that even emacs doesnt have
19:58 thexyz >not everyone care to remember 213459852134 words, why should we study english?
19:58 NekoGloop|Laptop Because we actually *use* that.
19:58 thexyz Vadtec: like..?
19:58 thexyz then try to use vim
19:59 * VanessaE is back
19:59 kaeza thexyz, sometimes it's easier to use a menu item than remember what's the command for "do this and that"
19:59 kaeza wb V
19:59 Vadtec thexyz: like a plugin for integration with my custom development environment that just doesnt work in emacs or even vim
20:00 kaeza VanessaE, have you seen the pull request?
20:00 VanessaE not yet, I just got back from the doctor's office.
20:00 VanessaE (Abe got a good report :) )
20:00 kaeza good :)
20:01 kaeza oh and sorry if the code is... a bit (a lot) messy
20:02 kaeza don't worry. It will only os.remove() your entire homedir if you put a lava source in the locked refrigerator
20:02 kaeza ;)
20:02 VanessaE merged.
20:03 VanessaE heh
20:03 kaeza thanks :)
20:03 VanessaE no, thank *you*
20:04 kaeza to get a locked version, craft the original plus a steel ingot
20:04 Vadtec mornin VanessaE
20:04 kaeza you're welcome :)
20:04 VanessaE I'm glad folks like my stuff enough to help hide my horrible code among good commits ;-)
20:04 kaeza HAH good commit? have you looked at the code?
20:05 kaeza it's a real mess :P
20:05 kaeza but yeah :) now I'm gonna try and make some of the items in jordach's list :)
20:06 VanessaE heh
20:07 * jordach pokes VanessaE
20:07 jordach come to meh map
20:07 VanessaE no :)
20:07 VanessaE too busy
20:08 VanessaE stuffing my face, watching videos :)
20:08 jordach :(
20:08 NekoGloop|Laptop Stuffing your face, eh? Sounds like fun, lemme join in.
20:09 VanessaE no
20:09 * VanessaE hogs her homemade soup
20:09 VanessaE MINE!
20:10 * NekoGloop|Laptop throws a bagel at VanessaE
20:10 jordach *NekoGloop|Laptop claws at VanessaE
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20:13 khonkhortisan Through an interesting turn of events, the quick combo ends in bagel claws, disabling further claw attacks.
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20:14 jordach lol
20:14 jordach VanessaE, its 3pm, you shall not be eating
20:15 jordach you're worse than me when i have the munchies
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20:16 VanessaE why not?  it's only my second meal of the day (first, around 11am)
20:16 VanessaE I have to eat frequently - it's an ironic requirement of that surgery I gad,.
20:16 VanessaE had*
20:16 jordach 'Murica, where food is often eaten
20:17 * jordach considers throwing $10 at VanessaE to grab a Subway
20:17 VanessaE jordach: look at the 45 kg I've lost so far and tell me that again ;-)
20:17 jordach :trollface:
20:18 NekoGloop|Laptop Subway sounds good right now ;o;
20:18 jordach NekoGloop|Laptop, i have to go to the nearest city for mine
20:19 jordach (but a baguette place nearby makes awesome bacon and sausage baguettes with extra t. sauce)
20:19 jordach VanessaE, that weight lost was half a Jordach
20:19 VanessaE yup
20:19 VanessaE and there's more to go yet
20:19 VanessaE I have another ~90 kg to lose
20:20 Jordach you're losing 1,1/2 Jordachs
20:20 Jordach (one and a half)
20:20 VanessaE so yeah, I'm a fatass :)
20:20 NekoGloop|Laptop Or Jordach is a fucking beanpole ;)
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20:20 VanessaE both I guess
20:20 Jordach VanessaE, im not even diabetic from the amount of sugar and food i eat.
20:20 Jordach (or low blood pressure.)
20:20 Jordach s/low/high
20:20 VanessaE Jordach: diabetes is an autoimmune diease apparently.
20:21 VanessaE disease*
20:21 khonkhortisan that's 1½ to you.
20:21 * Jordach stretches
20:21 Jordach there, daily excersise done.
20:21 PilzAdam bye
20:21 VanessaE khonkhortisan: such vulgarities
20:21 Jordach <sarcasm>
20:21 Jordach VanessaE, whats 2 1/8 + 6 1/3 =
20:22 khonkhortisan Sometimes I correct spelling by saying "that's ... to you."
20:22 * NekoGloop|Laptop should be approx. 350 lbs
20:22 Jordach (2 one eighths, add 6 one thirds)
20:22 VanessaE 8 1/2
20:22 Jordach gd hd
20:22 Jordach gdgd
20:23 Jordach good good
20:23 Jordach (fuck you auto replace.)
20:23 VanessaE lol
20:23 Jordach anyways, visit me dammit :P
20:24 VanessaE addr:port?
20:24 xming ASL? :p
20:24 VanessaE NO!
20:25 VanessaE notice how he asks me like 2-3 times and when I finally decide to go on, he doesn't respond :)
20:25 Jordach !up 81.155.108.41 30000
20:25 xming well you were being rude by asking port :p
20:25 MinetestBot 81.155.108.41:30000 seems to be down
20:25 VanessaE lol
20:26 VanessaE well fuck that then
20:26 Jordach its up
20:26 VanessaE :)
20:26 Jordach !up 81.155.108.41 30000
20:26 MinetestBot 81.155.108.41:30000 is up (0.203ms)
20:26 Jordach see, MinetestBot sucks
20:26 Jordach ...at times..
20:26 VanessaE connecting
20:26 xming !down 81.155.108.41 30000
20:26 VanessaE speedy media download.
20:26 VanessaE and...crash
20:27 Jordach VanessaE, this server requires you to not use a texture pack
20:27 Jordach (yes, it only looks right without it)
20:27 VanessaE GEVALT!!!
20:27 VanessaE MY EYES!  THE FILTERS, THEY DO NOTHING!!!!
20:27 VanessaE ;)
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20:28 artur99 Hi
20:28 MinetestBot hi artur99
20:28 * VanessaE stands overlooking a precipice of not-loading blocks
20:28 Oblivion1500 anyone want to check out my new website?
20:28 sfan5 Jordach: its not MinetestBot who sucky, its my internet
20:28 sfan5 *sucks
20:28 Jordach lol
20:28 artur99 Show me the link
20:29 Oblivion1500 1337reviews.com
20:29 Oblivion1500 its new so there is nothing much on it now.. just started it yesterday
20:29 Oblivion1500 but it will grow pretty fast
20:29 VanessaE LOAD DAMN YOU!
20:29 VanessaE :)
20:29 VanessaE Jordach: your emergethread is jammed.
20:30 Jordach ...lol
20:30 Jordach fuck worldedit
20:30 Jordach (not really.)
20:30 VanessaE heh
20:30 Jordach !up 81.155.108.41 30000
20:30 MinetestBot 81.155.108.41:30000 is up (0.555ms)
20:30 Jordach should have de-jammed
20:30 VanessaE there it goes.
20:30 VanessaE well at least it isn't only me having that issue
20:31 Jordach VanessaE, its seemingly Linux specific
20:31 VanessaE dunno
20:31 VanessaE this map is that conversion thing you were working on?
20:31 Jordach it never happens on windows systems
20:31 Jordach yes
20:31 Jordach been at it since friday with breaks
20:31 artur99 Oblivion1500, wow, the design is verry verry nice
20:32 Jordach i finish a town within a day
20:32 Oblivion1500 thanks!
20:32 VanessaE not bad though
20:32 Jordach detail is the last step
20:34 Jordach VanessaE, watch me build some trees
20:34 VanessaE with TNT?
20:35 artur99 Oblivion, php?
20:35 Vadtec hrm, tweaking the active block stuff causes all sorts of errors, like randomyl jumping back 100m when running
20:35 VanessaE cheater!!!
20:35 VanessaE worldedit is cheating :)
20:36 Vadtec worldedit is for people who want to get shit built quickly
20:36 artur99 Oblivion1500, is your site made using php?
20:37 VanessaE I was kidding
20:38 VanessaE Jordach: that said, you're a lot quicker
20:38 VanessaE than I am
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20:39 Jordach VanessaE, i have to make large areas of land at a time, hand placing is impossible
20:39 VanessaE right
20:39 VanessaE you should work on writing a map importer to automate this
20:40 artur99 Oblivion1500, the search is using php?
20:40 ShadowNinja does anyone remember the command that only prints the last few lines of it's input?
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20:40 jin_xi tail?
20:40 ShadowNinja yes, that
20:41 Vadtec ShadowNinja: also: tail -n ## file.name
20:41 Vadtec where ## is a number
20:41 Vadtec eg: tail -n 50 debug.txt
20:42 Vadtec shows more lines than the default
20:42 artur99 i can add colors to the text using androirc
20:42 artur99 look
20:43 artur99 and this
20:43 Vadtec artur99: we wont see them
20:43 sfan5 helloguys!
20:43 artur99 Hi
20:43 MinetestBot hi artur99
20:43 Vadtec artur99: androirc doesnt transmit them in a way that most clients can understand
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20:43 sfan5 Vadtec: thats not the issue
20:43 sfan5 Vadtec, artur99: #minetest has the mode +c set, that means only ops can use irc colors
20:44 ShadowNinja hmm, using it with watch causes the output to disappear the second time
20:44 Vadtec sfan5: even beyond mode +c, androirc's color handling is broken in general
20:44 Vadtec so mode +c doesnt really matter in either case
20:44 artur99 K
20:45 Jordach <VanessaE> you should work on writing a map importer to automate this
20:45 Jordach FUCK NO.
20:45 VanessaE heh
20:45 Jordach have you seen the MC map importer?
20:45 VanessaE nope
20:45 Jordach it makes a .we save
20:45 Jordach and you try loading something large at once
20:45 sfan5 Jordach: do you mean mine?
20:46 Jordach yes
20:46 sfan5 VanessaE: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=70882#p70882
20:46 VanessaE I have
20:46 sfan5 ..ok
20:46 VanessaE all that shit I copied from the old map to the new one was a bitch
20:46 VanessaE Jordach: ^^
20:47 VanessaE sfan5: nice!
20:47 ShadowNinja do you know how to do something like this, I think chatlog is just being piped into watch: watch tail < ~/minetest/server/worlds/a/chatlog
20:48 Vadtec ShadowNinja: watch -n 1 'tail ~/minetest/server/worlds/a/chatlog'
20:48 john_minetest random Blender render: http://ompldr.org/vaGw2cA/milmedi.png
20:48 sfan5 john_minetest: a healthkit \o/
20:48 * sfan5 uses the healthkit
20:48 john_minetest yay!
20:48 ShadowNinja thanks
20:48 john_minetest sfan5 gets +50 life
20:48 * sfan5 has now 20 1/2 hearts
20:49 * john_minetest takes healthkit
20:49 * john_minetest can't use healthkit. Already full health.
20:49 Jordach john_minetest, my question is, how can you stop strange spikes appearing when sculpting?
20:50 john_minetest I am not sculpting. I am doing everything by hand.
20:50 * VanessaE hands john_minetest a stimpac.
20:50 VanessaE if a medikit won't work ;)
20:50 * john_minetest takes a RadX
20:50 sfan5 !up 81.155.108.41 30000
20:50 MinetestBot 81.155.108.41:30000 seems to be down
20:50 sfan5 :(
20:50 john_minetest !up MinetestBot
20:50 MinetestBot john_minetest: Invalid Address
20:51 VanessaE oh up yours, bot.
20:51 VanessaE :)
20:51 sfan5 !up 81.155.108.41 30000
20:51 VanessaE or should that be !up yours? ;)
20:51 MinetestBot 81.155.108.41:30000 seems to be down
20:51 sfan5 !up 127.0.0.1
20:51 MinetestBot 127.0.0.1:30000 is up (0.098ms)
20:51 sfan5 ^ VanessaE ;)
20:52 VanessaE heh
20:52 john_minetest I am listening to harlem shake in an 10: infinite loop infinite loop infinite loop infinite loop infinite loop infinite loop 20: goto 10
20:52 jin_xi oh noes
20:53 * Jordach can feel the CPU / GPU heat on the tower case
20:54 ShadowNinja is this correct for a cron that runs every hour? * */1 * * *  command
20:55 Vadtec ShadowNinja: yes
20:55 john_minetest I escaped the loop.
20:55 Jordach should i develop with VIM or Emacs?
20:55 Vadtec ShadowNinja: but, to make it better
20:56 john_minetest Jordach: Use gedit
20:56 Vadtec ShadowNinja: use: 0 */1 * * *
20:56 Vadtec otherwise it will run every minute of every hour
20:56 VanessaE Jordach: emacs, because there's a VI plugin for it now :)
20:56 ShadowNinja oh right I already had that
20:56 john_minetest Jordach: Emacs and vim are too complicated for me. I use gedit. It is usable and supports everything I need.
20:57 VanessaE gedit is good, it's what I use,
20:57 VanessaE but it has a couple of really REALLY irritating bugs
20:57 VanessaE namely any left click automatically un-selects whatever you've highlighted (and removes it from the clipboard), and when you paste it doesn't move the cursor to end of the pasted location
20:57 Vadtec a couple? id rather use nano inside a terminal
20:59 john_minetest http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m37954YKtg1qzp5buo1_1280.png
21:00 john_minetest One of my favourite comics that I use in discussion
21:00 Jordach http://xkcd.com/378/
21:00 Jordach john_minetest, use the real one
21:01 john_minetest Yes, I know that it was from xkcd, I only couldn't remember if it was xkde or xkbc or something :)
21:02 RylandAlmanza_ Jordach: Which do you know better?
21:02 Jordach huh?
21:02 RylandAlmanza_ emacs or vim
21:03 Jordach just started with emacs
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21:03 * Jordach just likes teasing the vimmers
21:03 VanessaE hey grog
21:03 thefamilygrog66 howdy
21:04 thefamilygrog66 I've had a couple of snags/glitches with the server...
21:04 * Jordach checks if gimp didnt upgrade to 2.8
21:04 Jordach oh god no.
21:04 Jordach 2.6.12
21:04 Jordach :troll:
21:05 VanessaE there, see what trolling gets ya? :)
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21:08 thefamilygrog66 does anyone know how to prevent mobs from spawning inside a player?
21:08 thefamilygrog66 it's the weirdest thing
21:09 VanessaE no clue at all :-/
21:09 thefamilygrog66 I'm lookin at the api.lua file for it, and they only be spawning when their neighbours are air
21:09 thefamilygrog66 but I keep ending up with monsters in me
21:09 VanessaE I wonder if you're setting that attach bug?
21:10 VanessaE you still using stable?
21:10 sfan5 i was able to record 5:30 min footage in minetest with jpeg compression and the resulting file is "only" 530 mb
21:10 thefamilygrog66 yes
21:10 VanessaE that's why
21:10 VanessaE that bug was fixed in git
21:10 thefamilygrog66 d'oh
21:10 thefamilygrog66 I guess I'll turn 'em off for now
21:10 VanessaE naw, just upgrade your copy of MT :)
21:11 VanessaE it's easy to build from git, and there are win32 builds available too
21:11 thefamilygrog66 it's running on a ubuntu vm
21:11 VanessaE oh ok
21:11 VanessaE well building for Ubuntu is quite easy
21:11 thefamilygrog66 I can do it though
21:12 thefamilygrog66 yeah I've done it on my desktop a bunch of time
21:12 thefamilygrog66 *times
21:12 thefamilygrog66 I guess that's what I'll do then
21:13 thefamilygrog66 the other bug was that I modified the sethome mod slightly to add a /spawn function, and suddenly nobody could read anyone else's shout
21:13 Vadtec each map block is 16x16x16 right?
21:13 VanessaE Vadtec: and are generated in 5x5x5 chunks
21:13 VanessaE (so, yes ;) )
21:13 Vadtec so active_block_range=2 is 32x32x32
21:13 VanessaE yup
21:14 VanessaE I think so
21:14 sfan5 ugh! i'm roughly able to record 1000 frames with 1366x768 and jpeg compression
21:14 Vadtec kk, since tweaking that setting resulted in some nasty annoyances
21:14 VanessaE sfan5: encode to MPEG2.  Any recent machine can do that in realtime
21:15 VanessaE Vadtec: yeah, ABMs will log a lot more, mostly, if you turn it up too high
21:15 sfan5 VanessaE: minemovie currently only supports saving images and only the types irrlicht supports (png,jpg,tga,bmp)
21:15 VanessaE sfan5: ohh.  damn.
21:16 sfan5 VanessaE: but it is perfectly smooth at constant 42 fps
21:16 sfan5 (unfortanely without audio)
21:16 Vadtec VanessaE: i set it to 5 and it was causing all sorts of issues, which i assume is related to the fact its running on a VPS
21:16 VanessaE Vadtec: hard to say
21:17 VanessaE last time I tried it, it just lagged the local server (singleplayer) too badly to be useful
21:17 VanessaE (I had it set to around 5 also)
21:17 sfan5 VanessaE: i would give you the resulting .mov (converted by monte moviemaker) but i'm not up to uploading 88 mb
21:17 Vadtec VanessaE: it probably is, there are some serious I/O issues ive noticed with running on a VPS
21:18 Vadtec if i were to run it on win, im sure it would be better, since there isnt an abstraction layer to get past
21:18 sfan5 good night
21:18 MinetestBot good night sfan5
21:18 sfan5 MinetestBot: thanks
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21:20 Akerok What dependants does the technic mod need to make dyes?
21:20 VanessaE flowers I think
21:20 VanessaE (plantlife mod)
21:21 MiJyn does anyone know who edited my sig?
21:21 MiJyn sorry, but can I know why?
21:21 MiJyn (to whoever edited it)
21:22 Akerok I have the flowers mod.  It says it needs "default" as a dependency.
21:22 VanessaE Akerok: that's part of minetest_game
21:22 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commits/master
21:22 VanessaE er, click on the "files" tab.
21:23 kaeza https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
21:23 VanessaE kaeza: no.
21:23 VanessaE it's been moved.
21:23 VanessaE update your busted-ass bookmarks ;-=)
21:23 VanessaE ;-)
21:23 kaeza O.o
21:23 MinetestBot kaeza: What are you wondering about?
21:23 VanessaE it's all at github.com/minetest now.
21:24 kaeza man, I disconnect for a few days and all my world is changed...
21:25 MiJyn hahah yeah
21:25 VanessaE kaeza: yep
21:26 VanessaE kaeza: you're fucked ;)
21:26 kaeza let me guess, minetest has support for 5D models, and stereoscopic rendering (or whatever that is called)? :)
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21:27 VanessaE kaeza: not quite, but there IS an anaglyph branch :)
21:27 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/anaglyph_rebase1
21:27 kaeza :O
21:28 Vadtec is there a way to see/determine the map block boundaries?
21:28 kaeza that is awesome
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21:29 VanessaE Vadtec: yeah, make your server lag really bad ;)
21:29 VanessaE you'll see 'em then for sure! :)
21:29 Vadtec VanessaE: >.>
21:30 kaeza Vadtec, i think a simple pos.x % 16 will do
21:30 kaeza ('%' meaning "modulo" or remainder)
21:30 kaeza ah shit
21:31 kaeza nvm
21:31 markveidemanis kaeza
21:31 markveidemanis it's 'Later' now
21:31 markveidemanis go on server :D
21:31 kaeza ...so?
21:31 VanessaE actually you want math.floor(pos.nnn/16)
21:31 VanessaE oops
21:31 kaeza yup
21:31 ShadowNinja I know the protection mod on 0gb's server has a showarea command
21:31 VanessaE actually you want:  math.floor((pos.nnn+0.5)/16)*16
21:31 VanessaE properly rounded and scaled to map coords :)
21:31 kaeza that's the one :)
21:32 kaeza I suck at math :/
21:32 markveidemanis 2+2
21:32 NekoGloop|Laptop OH MAI GOD.
21:32 markveidemanis ...8?
21:32 NekoGloop|Laptop WIN8 DOESN'T HAVE SOLITARE.
21:32 NekoGloop|Laptop WHAT IS THIS SHIT.
21:32 kaeza markveidemanis, 2+2*2?
21:32 markveidemanis LOL
21:32 NekoGloop|Laptop Also no calculator.
21:32 VanessaE oh noes!
21:32 markveidemanis yep
21:32 VanessaE the world is gonna blow up!
21:32 markveidemanis not again...
21:32 kaeza Aisleriot FTW!!
21:33 VanessaE NekoGloop|Laptop:  <Abe> Oh shit!  you're kidding me!
21:33 markveidemanis theres already been 5 ends of the world, im sick of it!
21:33 kaeza markveidemanis, 2+2*2?
21:33 markveidemanis 8
21:33 VanessaE markveidemanis: there are still around 10 more ends scheduled
21:33 kaeza markveidemanis, wrong
21:33 kaeza it's 6
21:33 markveidemanis BIDMAS?
21:33 Vadtec VanessaE: is there a way to print that in game?
21:34 markveidemanis yop
21:34 VanessaE Vadtec: print()  ;-)
21:34 VanessaE print(math.floor((pos.nnn+0.5)/16)*16)
21:34 markveidemanis (2+2)*2
21:34 Vadtec do i just type that into the chat dialog?
21:34 VanessaE oh...um
21:34 NekoGloop|Laptop wut?
21:34 kaeza ...
21:34 ShadowNinja look at the code for the showarea command and copy it
21:35 VanessaE Vadtec: you'll have to pull out the old calculator :-)
21:35 markveidemanis Come On My Server Please So We Can Survive And Build
21:36 markveidemanis COMSPSWCSAB
21:36 VanessaE forget his server, mine's better :)
21:36 markveidemanis i have a name
21:36 markveidemanis COMSPSWCSAB
21:36 VanessaE fuck survival - creativity is where it's at :)
21:36 kaeza how about no?
21:36 NekoGloop|Laptop Forget survival in minetest; minetest only has support for creative.
21:36 Vadtec creative is boring
21:36 markveidemanis yay
21:36 markveidemanis well said
21:37 kaeza Vadtec, minetest+MOBF+survival_modpack = WIN!
21:37 kaeza (shameless plug)
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21:41 Vadtec time to build some technic stuff and get a mining laser...picks are to slow and i try not to use worldedit because my kids cant use worldedit
21:41 markveidemanis ?
21:41 VanessaE Vadtec: get maptools and use an admin pick
21:41 VanessaE :)
21:42 VanessaE you'll never go back to those pathetic mese picks ;)
21:44 NekoGloop|Laptop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrhYhI3L32c
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21:51 Vadtec VanessaE: i think id rather not keep adding mods lol
21:52 Deivan How I get the user position when he punch something?
21:52 Akerok I'm having the weirdest issue I have ever seen.  I cannot launch my server after downloading the "minetest_game-master' mod.  I even changed the name of that folder to "minetest_game", and removed the privious default directory.  When I try to launch my server, it fails.  I checked the debug.txt file, and it says it failed to load the ipban.txt file in my world.  Does anyone have any idea what is going on?
21:53 markveidemanis umm...noi
21:53 markveidemanis no
21:53 Deivan Maybe you have a corrupted file...
21:54 markveidemanis /opt/minetest044/share/minetest/worlds/marktwain/schems/
21:54 markveidemanis whoops
21:54 VanessaE Akerok: did you put it in games?
21:54 markveidemanis this has nothing to do with OC's VPS..
21:54 Akerok Here is a pastebin of the debug.txt:  http://pastebin.com/WGjai4K4
21:54 VanessaE (minetestfolder)/games/minetest_game
21:54 Akerok Yes.
21:56 Deivan You have many ready erros and write erros in this log...
21:56 Vadtec Akerok: check folder/files perms maybe
21:58 Deivan Is a good start.
21:58 john_minetest Lol, I am just reading a religious magazine to find nice reasons how armageddon could be (need this for a planned game). Of course I am taking only the examples that are labeled as "Not in the bible" ;) trololol.
22:00 Akerok <Vadtec> What do you mean by "folder/files perms?
22:00 OldCoder Hi
22:00 MinetestBot hi OldCoder
22:00 Vadtec Akerok: are you running mt on *nix or win?
22:00 Akerok Ubuntu
22:00 Akerok So, Linux.
22:01 Akerok 12.10 64-bit to be exact.
22:01 Vadtec you need to make sure the folder and file perms give you the ability to read/write the entire dir for mt
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22:01 Vadtec aka, chmod u+rw /your/mt/folder
22:03 Akerok I used sudo to make all the changes.
22:03 Akerok In terminal.
22:04 Vadtec yup
22:04 Vadtec you  might also need to do: chown -R user:user .
22:04 Vadtec in the folder for mt
22:04 Vadtec replacing user with your user name
22:07 VanessaE zzz
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22:08 markveidemanis the block selection box...
22:08 markveidemanis its retarded
22:08 markveidemanis flashes, disappears
22:09 Deivan Then...  Someone know a method to get the 'puncher' location?  I am making changes in the teleport mod to make the teleport working, well...  Better, with lag in the server.  Someone know how?
22:09 Vadtec Deivan: check worldedit, specifically worldedit_commands
22:09 Vadtec it uses punching to set locations
22:09 Vadtec might give you a clue
22:09 Deivan Roger, Roger.
22:09 kaeza Deivan, puncher:getpos() ?
22:10 Deivan Well...
22:10 Deivan I don't remember.
22:10 Deivan A new test. :D
22:10 Deivan Thanks.
22:11 Vadtec anyone who uses technic: how do i get power out of a water mill?
22:11 Deivan I have now 17 dies testing my stone factory. :D
22:11 Deivan Huhahaha.
22:11 kaeza Vadtec, explain
22:12 Vadtec kaeza: i have a water mill with a lv copper cable next to it, but im getting no power to my grinder
22:12 kaeza Vadtec, every "circuit" must have a battery box to work
22:12 Vadtec oh, like industrial craft for mc
22:12 kaeza the battery box is the one responsible for distributing power
22:12 Vadtec its gotta store it before it can use it
22:13 kaeza exactly :)
22:13 Deivan No...  the getpos crached the server...  :D
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22:13 Deivan attempt to call method 'get_pos' (a nil value)
22:13 Deivan Ops...
22:13 kaeza Deivan, nonono
22:13 Vadtec Deivan: check out worldedit like i suggested, i bet it will give you the right stuff, look for function //p set
22:13 Deivan A wrong _
22:13 kaeza getpos()
22:14 kaeza without the '_'
22:14 Deivan New try...
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22:15 Vadtec kaeza: ok...i have the battery box in place, but the lv cable doesnt seem to be "attaching" to either the water mill or batt box
22:15 Vadtec do i need shielded cable?
22:15 Deivan Is working now, thanks.
22:15 kaeza Vadtec, it does not matter if it connects visually
22:16 kaeza wait
22:16 Vadtec kaeza: well, im getting no power into my batt box
22:16 Deivan How I round values...
22:16 kaeza did you say you are connecting from the sides?
22:16 Deivan The getpos have many digits...
22:16 kaeza Deivan, math.floor(x)
22:16 Vadtec kaeza: yes, from the sides
22:16 ShadowNinja math.floor(val+0.5)
22:16 Deivan Thanks.
22:16 kaeza Vadtec, no, connect the bottoms
22:17 Vadtec well bummer
22:17 Vadtec now i gotta rewire
22:19 Vadtec kaeza: ok, got the batt box charging
22:19 kaeza good :)
22:19 Vadtec kaeza: does it output on the sides as well? or do i need to hook up the other machines on the bottom as well?
22:19 kaeza now connect all the other devices to this circuit
22:20 kaeza just connect the wires to the bottom of all machines
22:20 Vadtec so i cant connect a grinder directly to a water mill, i *must* have the batt box
22:20 kaeza yup
22:20 Deivan Ok, now the teleport mod is full operational when I have lag here. :D
22:20 Deivan Thanks guys,
22:21 kaeza also, please try not to make round circuits
22:21 Vadtec kaeza: oh? whys that?
22:21 kaeza I mean, try to connect so there's only one way from a batt box to any given machine
22:21 VanessaE because electrons travel too fast around round circuits? ;)
22:22 VanessaE bbl
22:22 Vadtec VanessaE: but im trying to make the LHC
22:22 kaeza hehe
22:22 Vadtec i wanna suck my world up with a black hole it might create
22:22 Vadtec kaeza: will making a loop in a circuit cause a problem?
22:22 kaeza yup
22:23 kaeza not a real problem
22:23 kaeza it's just laggy :)
22:23 Vadtec sounds like it needs some graph logic to only pull from the shortest hop path
22:23 kaeza another thing: don't connect more than three battery boxes to any given circuit
22:23 kaeza yup
22:24 Vadtec what will more than 3 batt boxes do?
22:24 kaeza laaaaaaag
22:24 kaeza :)
22:25 kaeza for example, while electric furnaces should take a sec to cook items, they take about 4 secs with more than 3 batt boxes and/or a looped circuit
22:26 Vadtec so its just a logic issue more than a bug or such
22:26 kaeza maybe, but you should discuss that with RBA
22:27 kaeza I have no idea how technic actually works :)
22:28 Vadtec seems to me it just needs some graphs to sort out the power gen/dist/use map
22:28 kaeza I guess the logic follows wires from an "emitter" until a "receiver" is found
22:28 ShadowNinja I had to remove that from my server, it took my cpu from 2 to 100% if you went near a power system
22:29 ShadowNinja It could probably be done without the lag
22:30 kaeza IDK if it already does that, but the lag could be (mostly) eliminated by computing whether or not a device is connected at wire placing time
22:34 Vadtec kaeza: so these batt boxes wont explode if they are "over charged" will they?
22:34 kaeza lol nope
22:34 kaeza you'll just waste energy :)
22:34 Vadtec good...at one point, IC2 for mc would cause batt boxes to explode if they were over charged
22:35 Vadtec they made a big boom
22:35 Vadtec and an even bigger hole
22:35 Vadtec considering this is a water mill, wasted energy really isnt an issue
22:35 kaeza not these ones :) you'll just lose valuable energy from, for example, solar panels
22:36 Deivan About the tech, if I have more than one geothermal generator I have more power or is the same?
22:36 Vadtec kaeza: well, water mills are meant to run all the time, so its gonna waste energy regardless
22:36 kaeza the more generators you connect to a circuit, the faster the batt boxes get charged
22:37 Vadtec unless im trying to run 100 furnaces
22:37 Deivan Thanks.
22:37 Deivan :D
22:37 Vadtec kaeza: can you hook more than one water mill to a circuit?
22:37 kaeza although I still couldn't make the geo generators work :(
22:37 kaeza Vadtec, yeah
22:37 Vadtec cool
22:38 kaeza I have a 3x3x3=27 mills in my basement :)
22:38 Vadtec ...how the heck do i remove a grinder?
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22:38 Vadtec oh wait...dont i need a special node removal tool?...
22:38 kaeza no
22:38 kaeza wait
22:38 kaeza is the grinder empty?
22:39 kaeza you cannot remove non-empty stuff!
22:39 Vadtec oh
22:39 Vadtec thats it
22:39 Vadtec druka durka
22:40 kaeza hmm... I'm currently trying to make a mod to allow "carrying" full chests with you
22:40 kaeza maybe this can be adapted for furnaces, etc...
22:41 Vadtec is there a list somewhere of stuff that can actually be ground in a grinder?
22:41 Vadtec looking on the technic page, dont see a list
22:41 kaeza all the mineral lumps (coal, iron, etc)
22:42 kaeza plus stone, cobble, and a few others
22:42 Vadtec i just ground cobble->gravel->dirt lol
22:43 Vadtec maybe ill make a macerator that can grind anything into other useful items
22:44 kaeza <Vadtec> unless im trying to run 100 furnaces -- My 27 mills + 3 batt boxes allow me to operate 16 grinders, 16 furnaces, and a tool workshop for about 5 mins
22:44 Vadtec how long does it take to charge though?
22:45 kaeza about 20 secs
22:45 Vadtec heh, nice
22:45 Vadtec does technic not have a lamp object?
22:45 kaeza nope
22:45 kaeza for that matter, use mesecons
22:45 Vadtec yeah
22:45 kaeza or VanessaE's homedecor
22:45 Vadtec would be nice if technic had a lamp though
22:46 kaeza (now with locked stuff; shameless plug again :) )
22:46 kaeza RBA says there's way too many lamps in other mods
22:48 kaeza hmm... haven't tested if you can transport items from the Grinder to the furnace
22:48 Vadtec but having to use so many other mods might making a sane layout for a workshop impossible, assuming you would have to run multiple sets of wires and power sources
22:48 jin_xi portable chest is a good idea
22:49 kaeza jin_xi, link?
22:49 Vadtec and mesecons doesnt have batteries, so you can store the solar energy it generates
22:49 Vadtec you cant*
22:49 jin_xi you said you're trying, no?
22:50 kaeza yup
22:50 jin_xi serialize node meta and put into itemstring i guess?
22:51 kaeza what I mean is when you remodel your house, you have to remove all the stuff, dig the chest, place the chest in the new location, and refill
22:51 kaeza it would be nice if you could "carry" the chest to the new location
22:51 jin_xi i know. dig and place full chests
22:51 kaeza I have 30 chests in my basement :(
22:52 kaeza last expansion took me half an hour just to move the chests
22:52 kaeza an hour and a half*
22:52 Vadtec kaeza: maybe it would be worth someones time (possibly mine) to develop a mod that standardizes power transportation, that way mods could more easily inter-op
22:53 kaeza hmm
22:53 kaeza technic has an API for that
22:53 kaeza IIRC
22:54 Vadtec im thinking something more generic than that
22:54 kaeza at least to register generators and other stuff, so it all uses the same wiring
23:00 Vadtec kaeza: so whats the major diff between the electric furnace and its MV counterparts? MV is used for more "advanced" stuff?
23:00 kaeza apart from the obvious change in wires, I think it cooks even faster
23:01 Vadtec hmmm
23:01 kaeza wait... is there an MV furnace?
23:01 kaeza wow
23:01 Vadtec mhm
23:01 Vadtec MV electric and MV alloy
23:02 kaeza last time I checked there was only an MV solar panel and batt box
23:02 kaeza I need to update my recipes :)
23:04 Vadtec so, can i assume the only diff between the mining drill and the mining laser is range and speed?
23:08 Vadtec whoa...whats the range on the mining laser...?
23:10 kaeza Vadtec, the mining drill only digs the pointed item, while the laser keeps on digging
23:10 Vadtec kaeza: yeah, but how far? its not the most accurate thing ever lol...
23:11 kaeza about 8 nodes
23:11 kaeza that's the max I ever dug with the laser
23:11 kaeza most of the time you get 4 nodes though
23:12 Vadtec think ill use the mining drill down here lol
23:12 kaeza but take heed: your cobblestone stacks will rack up incredibly fast :)
23:12 Vadtec i need accuracy
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23:16 Kacey hi all
23:16 MinetestBot hi Kacey
23:17 Vadtec so i guess the mining drill can mine any block in the game and never wears out...right?
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23:29 Vadtec kaeza: is it ok to have loops where the water mills are?
23:29 kaeza avoid looped circuits whenever possible
23:29 Kacey ?
23:29 Vadtec bleh...this entire setup is screwed then
23:30 Vadtec unless....
23:30 Kacey what are you two talking about?
23:31 Vadtec damnit...that wont work either
23:31 Vadtec Kacey: techic power grids
23:31 Kacey really?
23:31 Vadtec yup
23:31 Kacey are you on a server?
23:32 Vadtec yes
23:32 Kacey what is the ip?
23:32 Vadtec its a private server for me and my kids, really isnt setup for public access right now
23:33 Kacey ... can i have a link to the dl then?
23:33 Kacey or just plain technic?
23:34 Vadtec https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic
23:34 Kacey just plain technic
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23:44 kaeza <Vadtec> so i guess the mining drill can mine any block in the game and never wears out...right? <-- Any block that you can dig normally; it cannot dig protected or unbreakable nodes, or nodes like chests whose inventory is not empty.
23:44 Vadtec of course
23:44 Vadtec just avoids needing to carry 3-4 tools around
23:44 Vadtec :P
23:44 kaeza Also, the mining drill does wear out, but not in the conventional sense
23:45 kaeza it runs out of power, but never "destroys"
23:45 kaeza (i.e. you never lose it)
23:45 kaeza to use again, you must recharge it
23:45 Vadtec yup
23:46 Vadtec had to several times already lol
23:47 Vadtec damnit...trying to use a checker board layout for these water mills ...isnt gonna work
23:47 Vadtec think im gonna need a cascade setup
23:48 kaeza yup
23:48 kaeza it only activates with *flowing* water
23:48 Vadtec and only at 100% if flowing on all 4 sides
23:48 kaeza yup
23:49 Vadtec oh wait...nvm...copper wire stops water flow
23:50 kaeza heh
23:50 kaeza it's a bit tricky
23:50 Vadtec i dont like the astethics of it, but i have an idea for a better water mill setup im gonna build anyways
23:50 Vadtec for now, it does what i want
23:50 * NekoGloop|Laptop puts kittens on all the heads
23:50 Vadtec aka: gives me power
23:52 kaeza if my connection wasn't so laggy, I would invite you to my world to show you
23:53 Kacey playing my legit server
23:55 Vadtec water behaves the same in MT as MC in that you can create an infinte water source right?
23:56 kaeza yup
23:57 Vadtec kk, my game must be glitched atm, its not working
23:57 kaeza place two sources with air between them, or diagonally
23:57 Vadtec its not letting me pick up any water at all
23:58 kaeza Vadtec, 186.191.18.22 port 30000
23:59 kaeza hmm... maybe it'sstuck somewhere in Lua
23:59 kaeza -s
23:59 Vadtec dunno, just restarted it
23:59 Vadtec im connecting to yours now

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