| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
Obstru |
ok, some people would like play hide and seek ? |
| 00:00 |
ShadowNinja |
RealBadAngel: how much power should it consume per second? |
| 00:00 |
RealBadAngel |
lemme think |
| 00:00 |
RealBadAngel |
it shall depend on the size of field for sure |
| 00:01 |
RealBadAngel |
do you have elements counted? |
| 00:02 |
ShadowNinja |
what do you mean? |
| 00:02 |
RealBadAngel |
how many force fields block are there |
| 00:02 |
berome |
Obstru: there is white nickname of player ingame wich can be see just from everywhere |
| 00:02 |
ShadowNinja |
no, I could probably add that |
| 00:03 |
RealBadAngel |
you do have a table for this |
| 00:03 |
RealBadAngel |
add counter just |
| 00:03 |
RealBadAngel |
and try some small number for each field node |
| 00:04 |
RealBadAngel |
this way bigger the field it will consume more power |
| 00:04 |
Obstru |
<berome> i don't understand ... |
| 00:04 |
RealBadAngel |
also an idea, make different modes for fields |
| 00:05 |
RealBadAngel |
sphere, walls |
| 00:05 |
berome |
Obstru: we can't play hide and seek |
| 00:05 |
RealBadAngel |
and allow adjusting size and pos |
| 00:05 |
berome |
because it is to easy to find everyone |
| 00:06 |
RealBadAngel |
so you could make force fields doors, bays, habitats |
| 00:06 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 00:06 |
Obstru |
<berome> ho ok, but it depend the map , no ? |
| 00:07 |
berome |
Obstru: no |
| 00:07 |
Obstru |
ok ok |
| 00:07 |
berome |
just question of time to find someone inline |
| 00:08 |
Obstru |
yes, ok |
| 00:08 |
berome |
because of "i'm here" white nickname |
| 00:08 |
berome |
ok :-) |
| 00:09 |
berome |
this cant be disable ? Could a mod take over that ?I don't know |
| 00:11 |
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| 00:11 |
berome |
RealBadAngel: are "between chair and keybord" entities compatible, that is a question ;-) |
| 00:12 |
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| 00:15 |
mauvebic |
i hate writers' block lol |
| 00:17 |
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| 00:18 |
berome |
mauvebic: are you interested in visiting maritime channels on Zegaton, one day ? I ask you that because my 10 FPS screenshots just suck |
| 00:18 |
berome |
my view range is a pity, it is a non sens eto make panorama |
| 00:18 |
berome |
for me |
| 00:19 |
mauvebic |
thats my main problem too lol cant add anything without lowering FPS, and having a hard time finding economies lol |
| 00:20 |
berome |
but your screenshots are correct?? |
| 00:20 |
mauvebic |
oh yeah, still get 25-30 fps, but its a far cry from the 60 i had at the beginning of mm2 lol |
| 00:21 |
mauvebic |
theres no way in hell i can load the whole of spawncity to screenshot though lol |
| 00:21 |
berome |
mm2 ? |
| 00:21 |
mauvebic |
my current modpack |
| 00:21 |
berome |
ok :-) |
| 00:21 |
mauvebic |
though i could never build what people ask me to build on their servers w/o running multinode lol |
| 00:22 |
mauvebic |
Ooo i found a mesh for 1701D |
| 00:23 |
Kacey |
when you dig ore with a super heat pick, they drop ingots |
| 00:23 |
mauvebic |
who was that adressed to? :p |
| 00:23 |
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| 00:23 |
Kacey |
anyone |
| 00:23 |
mauvebic |
lol ok cuz im lost |
| 00:24 |
mauvebic |
huh the enterprise D is roughly a million nodes in volume lol (sans the interiors) |
| 00:24 |
RealBadAngel |
mauvebic, http://realbadangel.pl/forcefield.zip shadowninja's mod |
| 00:25 |
RealBadAngel |
propably you gonna like it |
| 00:25 |
mauvebic |
i made one of those for the space map, damn thing never worked right |
| 00:25 |
mauvebic |
it was supposed to make a wall |
| 00:25 |
RealBadAngel |
this one works |
| 00:25 |
mauvebic |
im starting to think i should split mbbase into parts lol |
| 00:26 |
RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/3PK2q1z.jpg |
| 00:27 |
mauvebic |
:/ what i used was a blue-tinted lava animation |
| 00:27 |
mauvebic |
though if you pass through it fast enough it wont kill you |
| 00:28 |
mauvebic |
ive added a weird new part to pipeworks lol the display |
| 00:29 |
mauvebic |
since most of the power on starships comes from plasma conduits (pipes), i figured the displays would come in handy |
| 00:30 |
Kacey |
lol |
| 00:30 |
sokomine |
hmm...mapgen-cave? http://www.zimg.eu/i/1747920101 |
| 00:30 |
Kacey |
HAHA!!!! |
| 00:31 |
mauvebic |
weird, as if treegen was running before mapgen |
| 00:32 |
mauvebic |
we really should add something that generates surrounding chunks gradually instead of lagging when arriving in the area |
| 00:36 |
hmmmm |
ya we should |
| 00:37 |
hmmmm |
by we you mean me |
| 00:37 |
mauvebic |
anyone lol |
| 00:38 |
hmmmm |
will you be the one to do it? |
| 00:38 |
mauvebic |
there are a few people with pull |
| 00:38 |
* Kacey |
is lost when it comes to mapgen code |
| 00:38 |
mauvebic |
i wish but cpp might as well be spanish to me |
| 00:39 |
hmmmm |
spanish is pretty simple |
| 00:39 |
mauvebic |
thats not the point lol |
| 00:39 |
mauvebic |
even if i learned cpp tomorrow, it would prolly take a long time before anything i wrote would be pulled lol |
| 00:40 |
mauvebic |
so all i can do is suggest |
| 00:40 |
mauvebic |
if you dont wanna tackle it that's fine |
| 00:40 |
hmmmm |
what makes you think people haven't been working on this already and you just came up with a brand new idea |
| 00:42 |
* berome |
seeks someone for a kitten catch |
| 00:42 |
mauvebic |
so either im psychic and know what you've already thought of, or you don't want feedback, or it's your period, cuz you seem to be getting upset over nothing |
| 00:43 |
hmmmm |
i'm not getting upset over anything |
| 00:43 |
* berome |
to late ... |
| 00:43 |
mauvebic |
sounds like it |
| 00:43 |
mauvebic |
i just made a suggestion, if you think it's ridiculous dont respond to it |
| 00:46 |
hmmmm |
you seem offended |
| 00:46 |
hmmmm |
did i offend you? |
| 00:46 |
sokomine |
it would be great if that cavegen-bug could be finally defeated :-) |
| 00:46 |
hmmmm |
i didn't mean to offend you, sorry if i did |
| 00:46 |
mauvebic |
no you seem to be getting upset |
| 00:47 |
mauvebic |
why bother responding otherwise? |
| 00:47 |
sokomine |
hm, yes, it's always simpler to suggest something than to actually implement it...sorry for that. after all i started it with the picture |
| 00:47 |
mauvebic |
dont feel bad, people are allowed to suggest things |
| 00:47 |
mauvebic |
even if they dont know cpp |
| 00:48 |
sokomine |
but if you implement it one day you can be sure that we'll be happy about it :-) |
| 00:48 |
mauvebic |
you can comment on the quality of cars without visiting the manufacturing plant, thats pretty relative |
| 00:50 |
sokomine |
that only holds to a degree...we usually pay for cars. maybe we too seldom say thank you for what other people do |
| 00:50 |
mauvebic |
thats not really the point, none of us are getting paid, why would anyone be special? if mere suggestions can set someone off maybe they need to do something else for a while :p |
| 00:50 |
sokomine |
mt is already a great game. because of that there's always something that could be improved - even if it where 100% realistic :-) the trees for example are great. and there are very often nice regions which invite to "settle" down there |
| 00:51 |
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| 00:51 |
mauvebic |
people always fucking bitch about everything, theres always something to improve lol no reason to take it personally though, its not like i blame anyone for the cavegen bug, i just wish it would go away |
| 00:52 |
hmmmm |
you seem to be rather overconfident in the emotional state of somebody who is several thousands of miles away from you who you cannot see or hear |
| 00:52 |
sokomine |
it's sometimes the language that offends someone without the intention :-( |
| 00:52 |
mauvebic |
naw im pretty sure this is personal for you, what did i do exactly? |
| 00:54 |
mauvebic |
everything youve said was about me not the idea, and you think im getting worked up about this, but you're the only one here who is |
| 00:54 |
hmmmm |
how do you know that |
| 00:54 |
mauvebic |
i can tell you're looking for a fight |
| 00:55 |
mauvebic |
youre gonna have to prod me alot harder than that |
| 00:55 |
hmmmm |
lol |
| 00:55 |
hmmmm |
re-read the chat logs |
| 00:55 |
RealBadAngel |
got even better force field animations |
| 00:55 |
jin_xi |
wub wub wub |
| 00:55 |
RealBadAngel |
with visible sinusoidal pattern |
| 00:56 |
mauvebic |
done now hmmm? |
| 00:56 |
khonkhortisan |
back |
| 00:56 |
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| 00:56 |
khonkhortisan |
mbot? |
| 00:56 |
RealBadAngel |
http://realbadangel.pl/forcefield_field_animated.png |
| 00:56 |
hmmmm |
"done" |
| 00:56 |
mauvebic |
perfect |
| 00:57 |
hmmmm |
at first i was neutral about you, but now i don't like you since you're so confrontational |
| 00:57 |
mauvebic |
im confrontational lol |
| 00:57 |
sokomine |
where's the force field going to be used? it's hard to tell from the image as such. they look very diffrent in the game |
| 00:57 |
hmmmm |
i say one thing and you jumped down my throat |
| 00:57 |
mauvebic |
if you mean i dont put up with bullshit, bullying and negative attitudes then yeah :D |
| 00:57 |
RealBadAngel |
shit this does looooook COOOOL |
| 00:58 |
hmmmm |
so i'm giving you bullshit, bullying you, and giving you a negative attitude? |
| 00:58 |
mauvebic |
you were visibly irritated by my idea, nothing i said would have made a difference |
| 00:58 |
hmmmm |
you really took what i said too personally. |
| 00:58 |
hmmmm |
chill out |
| 00:58 |
RealBadAngel |
calm down folks |
| 00:58 |
hmmmm |
it's irc |
| 00:58 |
mauvebic |
i suggest shit all the time, you're the only one who reacts this way |
| 00:58 |
hmmmm |
how did i react |
| 00:59 |
sokomine |
oh :-( i don't think it was meant that way by anyone. looked more like a misunderstanding? hmm, mauvebic certainly values the game and what you contribute to it by using it, constructing large buildings and doing modpacks |
| 00:59 |
mauvebic |
<hmmmm> ya we should |
| 00:59 |
mauvebic |
<hmmmm> by we you mean me |
| 00:59 |
mauvebic |
<mauvebic> anyone lol |
| 00:59 |
mauvebic |
<hmmmm> will you be the one to do it? |
| 00:59 |
hmmmm |
well i thought you were a developer too |
| 00:59 |
mauvebic |
a lua developer |
| 00:59 |
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| 00:59 |
mauvebic |
have you seen any pull requests with my name on it? |
| 01:00 |
hmmmm |
i really don't know because i don't look at pull requests |
| 01:00 |
RealBadAngel |
mauvebic, http://realbadangel.pl/forcefield.zip |
| 01:00 |
RealBadAngel |
try it out |
| 01:00 |
* Kacey |
cannot wait until rba's computer comes out |
| 01:00 |
RealBadAngel |
Kacey, propably on saturday |
| 01:01 |
* Kacey |
wants to make a mod on it and digilines |
| 01:01 |
Kacey |
for internet! |
| 01:01 |
mauvebic |
so what, people who don't do cpp/engine stuff shouldn't have opinions if it causes more work for those who do? |
| 01:01 |
RealBadAngel |
ascii browser in minetest lol |
| 01:02 |
hmmmm |
i said that? |
| 01:02 |
hmmmm |
what |
| 01:02 |
sokomine |
what does the forcefield do, rba? |
| 01:02 |
RealBadAngel |
what all forcefields does? |
| 01:02 |
hmmmm |
are you jelly or something |
| 01:02 |
akerok_ |
Is anyone good at helping people debug on their server? |
| 01:02 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm better at debugging my own server |
| 01:02 |
sokomine |
hmmm: no, that was the way mauvebic thought you where thinking |
| 01:02 |
mauvebic |
well you responded for some reason, id like to know which before proceeding |
| 01:02 |
jin_xi |
akerok_: have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 01:03 |
RealBadAngel |
sokomine, put generator on the ground, some mesecons and a lever |
| 01:03 |
khonkhortisan |
rebooting isn't always the answer, but very often. |
| 01:03 |
hmmmm |
because i thought it was kind of funny |
| 01:03 |
sokomine |
mauvebic: it seems he thought you where suggesting doing it yourshelf and had nothing bad at all in mind |
| 01:03 |
sokomine |
let's just do what we all can do good and enjoy the result |
| 01:03 |
akerok_ |
I shut the server off almost every night. I'm trying to fix the technic mod. There is a problem where the item you need to make dyes is labled as "unknown item." |
| 01:03 |
* khonkhortisan |
jumped into the middle of it and doesn't know who's right |
| 01:03 |
hmmmm |
you know those people who say obvious shit as if nobody else has thought of it before |
| 01:04 |
hmmmm |
like uh |
| 01:04 |
hmmmm |
teenagers! |
| 01:04 |
khonkhortisan |
hey! |
| 01:04 |
mauvebic |
well all i did was offer a suggestion, if anyone thinks i was looking for a fucking fight about it... |
| 01:04 |
hmmmm |
you made it into a fight |
| 01:04 |
mauvebic |
all you had to do was stfu if it was so obvious to you |
| 01:04 |
RealBadAngel |
akerok_, install flowers mod |
| 01:05 |
RealBadAngel |
standalone or that with plantslib |
| 01:05 |
akerok_ |
I think I did. I will double check. |
| 01:05 |
sokomine |
hmm...does it require mesecons? i usually don't have that in singleplayer |
| 01:05 |
sokomine |
do you have a server running using it? |
| 01:05 |
khonkhortisan |
technic is better with mesecons |
| 01:05 |
RealBadAngel |
sokomine i will start one |
| 01:05 |
sokomine |
sounds good :-) |
| 01:06 |
hmmmm |
all i've gotta say is that if you go through life thinking that anything and everything is "bullying and negative attitude" and then talk about a fight and fighting as if there was one going on, you're going to rustle a lot of peoples' jimmies |
| 01:06 |
sokomine |
i've been trying to find out what's the best value for my lumberjacks to appear (attached to each n.th tree) |
| 01:06 |
akerok_ |
I just checked. It got deleted. It was there last night. I feel like an idiot now.... |
| 01:07 |
* Kacey |
is hungry |
| 01:07 |
mauvebic |
yeah there are alot of fucking negative attitudes on here, alot of superiority complexes too, though i doubt youll find alot of people who say im more confrontational than helpful around here |
| 01:08 |
RealBadAngel |
77.91.18.205:30000 |
| 01:09 |
Kacey |
!up 77.91.18.205 |
| 01:09 |
MinetestBot |
77.91.18.205:30000 is up (0.171ms) |
| 01:09 |
hmmmm |
so your response to me was basically because you believe that core developers have superiority complexes |
| 01:09 |
akerok_ |
How many people have worked on the Technic mod? |
| 01:09 |
Kacey |
fast... |
| 01:09 |
mauvebic |
dont you? the fact you jumped on me for such an *obvious* idea |
| 01:09 |
hmmmm |
or is it because you attribute superiority to them you assume they must think highly of themselves too |
| 01:10 |
khonkhortisan |
My pull request has a commit and two merges. how do I get rid of the merges? |
| 01:10 |
mauvebic |
what is it, are you pissed off about mark? this has nothing to do with a simple suggestion |
| 01:10 |
mauvebic |
if it did you wouldn't have bothered to comment |
| 01:11 |
hmmmm |
you're right, nobody here is talking unless they're mad |
| 01:11 |
khonkhortisan |
that's not true |
| 01:11 |
hmmmm |
christ.. mauvebic is a vey angry person |
| 01:11 |
hmmmm |
s/vey/very/ |
| 01:11 |
Kacey |
afk |
| 01:11 |
hmmmm |
projecting much |
| 01:11 |
mauvebic |
youve been trying to provoke me for half an hour now |
| 01:12 |
mauvebic |
thought i love the pop psychology bs lol |
| 01:12 |
hmmmm |
could it be the other way around? |
| 01:13 |
hmmmm |
how are you so certain that it's me trying to provoke you? |
| 01:13 |
mauvebic |
im trying to provoke you lol when did i mention you exactly? |
| 01:13 |
mauvebic |
sounds more like you took offense because i mentionned how crappy the cavegen is |
| 01:13 |
hmmmm |
i don't take offense to that |
| 01:13 |
hmmmm |
that's celeron's code |
| 01:13 |
mauvebic |
though i have no clue who wrote it or why |
| 01:14 |
mauvebic |
so what is it then, about loading surrounding chunks, that made you respond? |
| 01:14 |
hmmmm |
it wasn't that at all. it was the suggestion |
| 01:15 |
hmmmm |
like maybe you don't see it in the same manner i do, but when you gave the suggestion it's like calling up your state representative and saying "ya there should be more jobs, that'll fix the economy" |
| 01:15 |
hmmmm |
so i commented on it because it was silly |
| 01:15 |
* khonkhortisan |
answered his own question: git pull --rebase origin master |
| 01:16 |
mauvebic |
well its a first for me |
| 01:16 |
mauvebic |
usually people around suggest things they have no idea how to implement |
| 01:17 |
mauvebic |
doesnt matter if you do cpp, lua, html , whatever, some people dont have all the skills to implement their ideas |
| 01:17 |
mauvebic |
if you want to mock me for that, go ahead, ill find something better to do |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
you missed the point |
| 01:18 |
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| 01:18 |
Dogzilla131 |
hello all :D |
| 01:19 |
jin_xi |
hi Dogzilla131 |
| 01:19 |
mauvebic |
seems to be the point, since i can't do it i shouldn't talk about it, and if ive thought about then i should assume others have too, weather or not its true |
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| 01:20 |
babyface1031 |
hi Dogzilla131 |
| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
whether* |
| 01:20 |
khonkhortisan |
Hello MinetestBot |
| 01:20 |
MinetestBot |
Hello khonkhortisan! |
| 01:20 |
khonkhortisan |
oh, you are here |
| 01:20 |
Dogzilla131 |
Ho |
| 01:20 |
Dogzilla131 |
Hi |
| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
that's not the point though. you must've missed the point. it's the obviousness and lack of information in your suggestion that makes it mockable |
| 01:21 |
Dogzilla131 |
sorry typo |
| 01:21 |
khonkhortisan |
it is better to not mock |
| 01:21 |
mauvebic |
well if its so obivous why hasn't it been done? |
| 01:21 |
khonkhortisan |
no matter how easy it is |
| 01:21 |
mauvebic |
why hasn't another solution been found? |
| 01:21 |
mauvebic |
how long have we all been bitching about the mapgen fucking up our structures? |
| 01:21 |
mauvebic |
if its so obvious then it should be fixed by now, thats mockable too |
| 01:22 |
mauvebic |
obivously not all the options have been explored, |
| 01:22 |
hmmmm |
there's a difference between the problem being obvious and the solution being obvious |
| 01:22 |
hmmmm |
your suggestion was a statement of a problem, which is obvious, not a statement of the solution |
| 01:22 |
mauvebic |
well im sorry if i suggested something thats already been considered and rejected, at least people are giving it thought tho |
| 01:22 |
khonkhortisan |
I haven't been hit by mapgen yet |
| 01:24 |
NekoGloop |
khonkhortisan: mauv makes structures larger than any of us care to ever do, so no surprise. |
| 01:24 |
mauvebic |
and you're surprised people would talk about such a problem? |
| 01:24 |
hmmmm |
i wouldn't expect to hear people going around IRL and saying "yeah we should just have more jobs" |
| 01:25 |
mauvebic |
lovely analogy but hardly applies |
| 01:25 |
hmmmm |
they would maybe say something more slightly more profound with actual information in it |
| 01:25 |
hmmmm |
like "maybe if we reduce the wage tax, there will be more of an incentive to create more jobs, thus fixing the economy" |
| 01:25 |
hmmmm |
for example |
| 01:26 |
khonkhortisan |
we should make minimum wage depend on inflation |
| 01:26 |
mauvebic |
cut the bullshit with your analogies and stick to mt related examples |
| 01:26 |
hmmmm |
how is my analogy not perfectly fitting |
| 01:26 |
mauvebic |
naw youre bringing politics into it |
| 01:26 |
mauvebic |
and economics |
| 01:27 |
mauvebic |
so you dont like the scope of my suggestion, boohoo, like i said, if you thought it was stupid, then why respond? |
| 01:27 |
hmmmm |
because you should know how stupid it is |
| 01:27 |
mauvebic |
you know we have a lot of kids on here trying to learn programming for the first time, laughing at them and mocking them might not be the best approach to that |
| 01:27 |
hmmmm |
why not |
| 01:28 |
mauvebic |
and you say you dont have a superiority complex |
| 01:28 |
hmmmm |
i don't |
| 01:28 |
mauvebic |
i have to call bullshit |
| 01:28 |
hmmmm |
but i'm going to be realistic about things |
| 01:28 |
NekoGloop |
This ^ (four above) |
| 01:28 |
hmmmm |
if you know something is wrong or stupid maybe you wouldn't do it again |
| 01:28 |
hmmmm |
it's part of a learning process |
| 01:28 |
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| 01:28 |
mauvebic |
if you know something is wrong, you point out the technical reasons why, as i do |
| 01:29 |
mauvebic |
you dont make it personal like you and others like you tend to do |
| 01:29 |
hmmmm |
i didn't make it personal at all |
| 01:29 |
mauvebic |
i wasn't the one psychologically analyzing you lol |
| 01:29 |
hmmmm |
you're the first one to bring up getting mad |
| 01:30 |
mauvebic |
i see it as pointless trying to read someone you've never met before, but you implied plenty from a 10 minute chat |
| 01:30 |
mauvebic |
because thats the vibe i get from your text, i may be wrong, |
| 01:30 |
hmmmm |
your image of me right now is basically whatever you want it to be |
| 01:30 |
mauvebic |
ok |
| 01:30 |
mauvebic |
go on |
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| 01:31 |
NekoGloop |
If that's true, hmmmm is a kitten. |
| 01:31 |
NekoGloop |
All problems == solved. |
| 01:31 |
hmmmm |
i have the perfect image for this situation but i cannot find it |
| 01:31 |
mauvebic |
i have plenty of memes too lol |
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| 01:33 |
mauvebic |
ive had nothing but pleasant conversations all day, then i make the wrong suggestion and all this crap lol |
| 01:33 |
hmmmm |
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLqSYU6s_QdcvImnqDqpENv01PhfDvRal3vxeCoA5ZCT5gRmJsvw |
| 01:34 |
mauvebic |
go on |
| 01:34 |
hmmmm |
see if you were truly "above this" like you proport yourself to be, you wouldn't be responding |
| 01:34 |
NekoGloop |
LOL LE CAPZ LOCK LOL I SO MAD LOLZ |
| 01:34 |
mauvebic |
ive never been psycho-analyzed over IRC, this is quite fascinating for me |
| 01:34 |
hmmmm |
you would've stopped responding like 30 minutes ago |
| 01:34 |
mauvebic |
well if this is a competition about who's more pathetic, you're the one responding to ideas purpotedly beneath you... |
| 01:35 |
mauvebic |
i see a lot of ridiculous ideas on here too, but id rather do something productive than fight with the person |
| 01:35 |
hmmmm |
you turned it into a fight though, you certainly didn't need to |
| 01:35 |
hmmmm |
you started going on about how i'm so upset and everything |
| 01:36 |
hmmmm |
like seriously just shut up if it's not a fight and continue your conversation like a normal person |
| 01:36 |
mauvebic |
well yeah, im sortof fed up with people with good intentions being burned here |
| 01:36 |
mauvebic |
youre telling me to shut up but you responded to my idea, so who should shut up exactly? |
| 01:37 |
mauvebic |
have anything more intelligent to say go ahead, otherwise you're not a part of the conversation |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 01:37 |
hmmmm |
hey oldcoder |
| 01:37 |
hmmmm |
this mauvebic guy is just as aspie as you are |
| 01:37 |
AnonymousMember |
Hi OldCoder |
| 01:37 |
mauvebic |
howdy oldcoder, grab some popcorn :p |
| 01:38 |
babyface1031 |
hi OldCoder |
| 01:38 |
hmmmm |
this is so ridiculous though in retrospect, i mean look at what you're arguing about; you're arguing about an argument, that makes it a metaargument |
| 01:38 |
hmmmm |
and now you're going to find something to say about the previous statement, which makes it a meta-meta-argument |
| 01:38 |
mauvebic |
naw you just cant stick to the point :p |
| 01:39 |
mauvebic |
you keep deviating into awful analogies, it reminds me of someone |
| 01:39 |
hmmmm |
you never said why my analogy was flawed |
| 01:40 |
mauvebic |
because its the weight of your argument |
| 01:40 |
hmmmm |
not exactly, it's a clarification of my argument |
| 01:40 |
khonkhortisan |
I like the new fast_move water |
| 01:40 |
mauvebic |
well, youve already said my suggestion was ridiculous, what more did you have to add after that? |
| 01:41 |
mauvebic |
ok im confrontational, if you think so, why bother at all with me? lol |
| 01:41 |
hmmmm |
i didn't know you were like this until i started interacting with you |
| 01:41 |
hmmmm |
now i know full well to stay away |
| 01:41 |
mauvebic |
by all means |
| 01:41 |
khonkhortisan |
some people (like me) have a bad habit of feeding the trolls |
| 01:42 |
NekoGloop |
khonkhortisan: I'd feed myself personally. Want some popcorn? |
| 01:42 |
khonkhortisan |
I'll make some. |
| 01:42 |
NekoGloop |
I have some |
| 01:42 |
NekoGloop |
(seriously) |
| 01:43 |
mauvebic |
some bullshit, lesson learned : if youre not an expert on the subject, stfu |
| 01:43 |
NekoGloop |
So stfu, mauvebic. |
| 01:44 |
mauvebic |
meh i was having pleasant conversation until you and hmmm showed up |
| 01:44 |
NekoGloop |
Me? |
| 01:44 |
NekoGloop |
What the hell did i do |
| 01:44 |
hmmmm |
because you're too negative for him i guess |
| 01:45 |
mauvebic |
negative? lol look over the logs for today and count the number of times i helped someone without mocking their fucking intelligence |
| 01:45 |
hmmmm |
you can't be sarcastic around this guy either or else he gets buttdevestated and says that you got mad and you're taking it personally |
| 01:45 |
mauvebic |
when people feel the need to mock you they are taking it personally yes |
| 01:46 |
mauvebic |
i dont project superiority though if anything i find people who mock others have an inferiority complex |
| 01:47 |
* khonkhortisan |
sits down with his slightly burned bag of popcorn, ready to get oil on the keyboard |
| 01:47 |
hmmmm |
or you could just not say stupid shit |
| 01:47 |
mauvebic |
well if it taxes your superior intelligence might i suggest you not bother next time |
| 01:48 |
NekoGloop |
mauvebic: Welcome to how i feel about c55. Please sit down in the chair over there. |
| 01:48 |
mauvebic |
no its the negative bullshit on here |
| 01:49 |
hmmmm |
are you from california? |
| 01:49 |
mauvebic |
where are you from? |
| 01:49 |
berome |
<hmmmm> please define how much you are superior than aspie |
| 01:49 |
mauvebic |
cmon, you tell me ill tell you |
| 01:49 |
* khonkhortisan |
redirects the question to himself and says he's from WA and has been to NC |
| 01:49 |
mauvebic |
then we can mock eachother's homes too |
| 01:50 |
berome |
<berome> <hmmmm> please define how much you are superior than aspie |
| 01:50 |
NekoGloop |
I'm from the depths of the internet. |
| 01:50 |
berome |
<berome> <hmmmm> please define how much you are superior than aspie |
| 01:50 |
berome |
<hmmmm> please define how much you are superior than aspie |
| 01:50 |
hmmmm |
what the hell quit spamming |
| 01:50 |
berome |
right now |
| 01:50 |
berome |
nverbose man |
| 01:50 |
NekoGloop |
Yes, please quit spamming, hmmmm. |
| 01:51 |
mauvebic |
still waiting for that location |
| 01:51 |
hmmmm |
nekogloop you're just mad because linux > windows |
| 01:51 |
khonkhortisan |
most games are made for windows |
| 01:51 |
mauvebic |
how old are you? |
| 01:51 |
NekoGloop |
How the hell is this coming up. |
| 01:51 |
khonkhortisan |
it's coming up out of nowhere |
| 01:51 |
hmmmm |
it's something that gets you rustled |
| 01:51 |
mauvebic |
you cant be past 25 |
| 01:51 |
NekoGloop |
All people on the internet are 10 unless otherwise noted. |
| 01:52 |
berome |
hmmmm: would you please finally please define how much you are superior than aspie |
| 01:52 |
berome |
please |
| 01:52 |
hmmmm |
dude what |
| 01:52 |
hmmmm |
i don't even understand what you're saying |
| 01:52 |
berome |
that |
| 01:52 |
khonkhortisan |
define aspie |
| 01:52 |
berome |
0] <berome> hmmmm: would you please finally please define how much you are superior than aspie |
| 01:53 |
NekoGloop |
asspie. Nuff said |
| 01:53 |
hmmmm |
yes you've pasted that 500 times, i can see that, i don't know what you mean by it though |
| 01:53 |
khonkhortisan |
oh |
| 01:53 |
hmmmm |
are you a native english speaker, berome? |
| 01:53 |
berome |
hmmmm: would you please finally please define how much you are superior than aspie, when you don't understand so simple sentence |
| 01:53 |
berome |
hmmmm: you lost your guess power ? |
| 01:54 |
khonkhortisan |
aspie meaning mauve? I don't get it |
| 01:54 |
mauvebic |
i guess so |
| 01:54 |
berome |
hmmmm: would you please finally please define how much you are superior than aspie |
| 01:54 |
hmmmm |
... |
| 01:54 |
berome |
please ? |
| 01:54 |
mauvebic |
i thought that qualified as a form of descrimination though, if mark were here you'd be kicked |
| 01:54 |
hmmmm |
please learn english |
| 01:54 |
berome |
try again |
| 01:54 |
berome |
please learn human |
| 01:55 |
mauvebic |
plenty of people try to learn english, mocking them too doesn't help anyone |
| 01:55 |
khonkhortisan |
asperger's? |
| 01:55 |
berome |
hmmmm: would you please finally please define how much you are superior than aspie? and try something constructive more than academic english |
| 01:56 |
hmmmm |
can somebody translate this guy's sentence for me |
| 01:56 |
khonkhortisan |
...try something moreconstructive than... |
| 01:56 |
hmmmm |
he doesn't seem like he's going to be satisfied until he gets an answer, which i cannot construct unless i know what he's asking |
| 01:57 |
berome |
please define in what way you are superior than an aspie |
| 01:57 |
berome |
this is not clear? |
| 01:57 |
hmmmm |
_that_ was |
| 01:57 |
khonkhortisan |
hmmmm is superior than an aspberger's person |
| 01:57 |
berome |
learn reading english (yours, too) please |
| 01:57 |
hmmmm |
i never said i was superior to an aspie |
| 01:57 |
mauvebic |
you'd have to stick to the same point first then i could answer and you could respond |
| 01:57 |
khonkhortisan |
the "an" made a difference |
| 01:58 |
berome |
hmmmm: yes, you had |
| 01:58 |
NekoGloop |
hmmmm: "Explain how you are superior to a person with asperger's. And please use something more constructive than 'academic english'." |
| 01:58 |
berome |
would you want ma to notice you |
| 01:58 |
hmmmm |
er.. |
| 01:58 |
hmmmm |
w/e. |
| 01:59 |
* Kacey |
cannot stand this arguement |
| 01:59 |
khonkhortisan |
this quote? "hey oldcoder" "this mauvebic guy is just as aspie as you are" |
| 01:59 |
NekoGloop |
Kacey, shove it. |
| 01:59 |
berome |
[02:36] <hmmmm> this mauvebic guy is just as aspie as you are would you please read your perfect english |
| 01:59 |
berome |
? |
| 01:59 |
berome |
[02:36] <hmmmm> this mauvebic guy is just as aspie as you are would you please read your perfect english |
| 02:00 |
NekoGloop |
berome: Please stop being a french guy. |
| 02:00 |
mauvebic |
well thats technically discrimination, weather or not one has mental issues |
| 02:00 |
mauvebic |
and really what business is it of his what my health is like? |
| 02:00 |
khonkhortisan |
It seems that sentence would be implying being aspie is undesirable |
| 02:00 |
NekoGloop |
Ban me, i couldn't give less fucks. |
| 02:01 |
mauvebic |
nekogloop you didnt say it |
| 02:01 |
hmmmm |
yea it is undesirable, that's why it's a mental health condition as listed in the DSM-IV |
| 02:01 |
mauvebic |
youre canadian so you know what flies and what doesn't in a civlized country |
| 02:01 |
NekoGloop |
Not canadian. |
| 02:01 |
mauvebic |
but who are you to determine that over the net? |
| 02:02 |
berome |
what french word for "er ..", please |
| 02:02 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm not familiar enough with that condition to call or not call someone that |
| 02:02 |
mauvebic |
(nekogloop, you mentionned justin bieber as a 'local' pop star though) |
| 02:02 |
berome |
? |
| 02:02 |
NekoGloop |
mauvebic: Close to the border. |
| 02:02 |
mauvebic |
south? |
| 02:02 |
NekoGloop |
Yes. |
| 02:03 |
Kacey |
can both of you just pm or something? |
| 02:03 |
hmmmm |
we're not shitting up the channel, are we? :D |
| 02:03 |
NekoGloop |
hmmmm: I do believe he meant me and mauv. |
| 02:03 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 02:04 |
NekoGloop |
He's got me on his ignore list, which means he sees half the convo. |
| 02:05 |
mauvebic |
naw just bullshit over a mapgen grief that descended into a pop=psychology type talk show lol |
| 02:05 |
khonkhortisan |
I was thinking of recommending pmming but I didn't say anything |
| 02:05 |
berome |
sorry, but please, NekoGloop, define (give me some clue) to be less french |
| 02:05 |
berome |
? |
| 02:05 |
NekoGloop |
berome: My apologies, it was a joke. |
| 02:05 |
khonkhortisan |
to be less french, don't say "Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries" - monty python reference |
| 02:06 |
NekoGloop |
Not a serious remark. |
| 02:06 |
berome |
ok , nice + kitten |
| 02:06 |
NekoGloop |
If i said it, chances are it isn't serious |
| 02:06 |
mauvebic |
lucky you lol some people take what isay too seriously lol |
| 02:07 |
khonkhortisan |
NekoGloop, that's why I don't want to /ignore anyone |
| 02:07 |
NekoGloop |
khonkhortisan: I have kacey ignored too, but not here on my ipad. |
| 02:07 |
NekoGloop |
Also all hostnames containing LandMine are ignored as well. |
| 02:08 |
khonkhortisan |
so I could just start into half a conversation and everyone that has ever ignored anyone would think that's what it is |
| 02:08 |
NekoGloop |
That would make for a good laugh. |
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| 02:09 |
hmmmm |
i think that everybody is way too sensitive |
| 02:09 |
NekoGloop |
I think that you're just a dick. |
| 02:09 |
hmmmm |
maybe i am the bad guy and it's just from me being on IRC for too long |
| 02:09 |
mauvebic |
i honestly, nothing personal, dont understand you're reaction, thats all, no hate lol |
| 02:09 |
mauvebic |
*your |
| 02:09 |
hmmmm |
the internet ain't nice |
| 02:09 |
khonkhortisan |
One person says the other is too sensitive. The other says the one is too insensitive. So they agree. |
| 02:10 |
RealBadAngel |
we all sometimes are overreactive |
| 02:10 |
hmmmm |
RealBadAngel, i figured out the cause of dark spots on the ground and unlit tree leaves |
| 02:10 |
mauvebic |
we just get alot of dumbass suggestions on here and we dont all realize at the same time |
| 02:11 |
RealBadAngel |
hmmmm, those are caves |
| 02:11 |
khonkhortisan |
I've had unlit tree leaves |
| 02:11 |
hmmmm |
it's caused by cave _code_ |
| 02:11 |
hmmmm |
sure we knew that |
| 02:11 |
khonkhortisan |
that's what worldedit's //fixlight is for |
| 02:11 |
RealBadAngel |
it was all gone with my/yours patch |
| 02:11 |
hmmmm |
but the actual reason why is that the boundary blocks aren't updated |
| 02:12 |
RealBadAngel |
but for c55 it was too hackish |
| 02:12 |
hmmmm |
that code i wrote was never meant to be serious |
| 02:12 |
RealBadAngel |
btw |
| 02:12 |
NekoGloop |
Because RBA's code is apparently superior to everything. |
| 02:12 |
khonkhortisan |
lol |
| 02:12 |
NekoGloop |
As if mauv NEEDED to point out that all core devs have superiority complexes. |
| 02:13 |
hmmmm |
the lighting of the boundary blocks aren't updated* i meant to say |
| 02:13 |
RealBadAngel |
has this by any case something to do trees code doesnt care bout seeds? |
| 02:13 |
khonkhortisan |
wow I can swim so fast I hurt myself on the sea floor |
| 02:13 |
hmmmm |
so basically to fix both of those things we just need to extend the area in the lighting update part |
| 02:13 |
hmmmm |
what does? |
| 02:13 |
RealBadAngel |
trees are not repetitive |
| 02:14 |
hmmmm |
if it's based on blockseed you should have no problem |
| 02:14 |
hmmmm |
blockseed is based on position and seed so it's completely deterministic |
| 02:14 |
RealBadAngel |
its not |
| 02:14 |
hmmmm |
why not |
| 02:14 |
hmmmm |
that's the "right way" to place things |
| 02:14 |
RealBadAngel |
i tried to make it as random as possible |
| 02:15 |
khonkhortisan |
There isn't yet a "right way" to rotate nodes |
| 02:15 |
RealBadAngel |
there is |
| 02:15 |
khonkhortisan |
One node, 90° rotations, any axis, any time. |
| 02:15 |
RealBadAngel |
just texturing rotated nodeboxes is still a problem |
| 02:15 |
khonkhortisan |
It takes six nodes to do complete rotation |
| 02:16 |
NekoGloop |
He's screwing with the cpp. |
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| 02:16 |
RealBadAngel |
khonkhortisan, have you tried my branch? |
| 02:16 |
khonkhortisan |
oh, good! |
| 02:16 |
khonkhortisan |
no |
| 02:17 |
RealBadAngel |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4807 |
| 02:17 |
RealBadAngel |
compile, dl mod with tool |
| 02:17 |
RealBadAngel |
and check how it works |
| 02:18 |
RealBadAngel |
nodeboxes can be also rotated but texturing them is screwed |
| 02:18 |
khonkhortisan |
what are meshes? |
| 02:18 |
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| 02:18 |
RealBadAngel |
textures |
| 02:18 |
khonkhortisan |
oh |
| 02:18 |
NekoGloop |
meshes are complicated. |
| 02:18 |
khonkhortisan |
so no diagonal faces yet |
| 02:18 |
khonkhortisan |
other than rail |
| 02:18 |
ShadowNinja |
RealBadAngel: I have it working for the most part |
| 02:19 |
ShadowNinja |
range is static atm |
| 02:20 |
khonkhortisan |
Do you have a function to rotate the facedir given the current facedir and an axis? |
| 02:20 |
NekoGloop |
I think he does. |
| 02:20 |
RealBadAngel |
ShadowNinja, i made better animation for it, with visible sinusoidal waves |
| 02:21 |
khonkhortisan |
http://realbadangel.pl/forcefield_field_animated.png |
| 02:21 |
khonkhortisan |
still had the tab open |
| 02:21 |
RealBadAngel |
just redownload |
| 02:21 |
RealBadAngel |
imho its way better |
| 02:22 |
RealBadAngel |
not so chaotic, with pattern |
| 02:22 |
khonkhortisan |
I completely support a node's right to rotational freedom. |
| 02:22 |
hmmmm |
guys |
| 02:22 |
NekoGloop |
GAIZ. LOOK AT TEH KITTEHS. |
| 02:22 |
hmmmm |
what do you think is more important |
| 02:22 |
hmmmm |
caves or trees |
| 02:22 |
khonkhortisan |
A rubik's cube is very difficult to make with facedir+wallmounted |
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* NekoGloop |
puts kittehs ALL OVER THE CHANNEL. |
| 02:23 |
khonkhortisan |
caves are more important |
| 02:23 |
khonkhortisan |
but you need trees to dig in them |
| 02:23 |
sokomine |
both are important. can you tell why you ask? |
| 02:23 |
sdzen |
air is the most important |
| 02:23 |
sdzen |
end of discussion |
| 02:23 |
berome |
^ |
| 02:23 |
khonkhortisan |
If you removed only one and made no further changes, trees would be kept |
| 02:23 |
hmmmm |
i ask because i am having a major malfunction to which there is no real good fix |
| 02:24 |
* sokomine |
grabs one of the nice kittens and makes sure hmm and mauvebic get one each as well |
| 02:24 |
hmmmm |
i can either screw up caves and have perfectly fine trees, or screw up trees and have perfectly fine caves |
| 02:24 |
NekoGloop |
Why don't you just make it work |
| 02:24 |
khonkhortisan |
do both and you might go from both screwed up to both fixed |
| 02:25 |
sokomine |
when i showed that picture of the tree that was hit by the cave generator it was mostly intended for fun (funny bug - tree with a hole in) and also the hope that it would help to hunt down the bug |
| 02:25 |
berome |
hmmmm: neither you mean ? |
| 02:25 |
khonkhortisan |
that sounds perfectly normal to end up in a catch 22 |
| 02:25 |
sokomine |
oh? can you explain that further, hmm? |
| 02:25 |
sokomine |
and are only trees concerned or other things as well? |
| 02:25 |
NekoGloop |
Hey, it gives trees character. |
| 02:26 |
sokomine |
the normal trees or the moretrees-trees? |
| 02:26 |
hmmmm |
sokomine, i know what the bug is.. it's not trivial to fix at all though |
| 02:26 |
sokomine |
how would trees be screwed up and how caves improved? |
| 02:26 |
hmmmm |
I am leaning towards screwing up caves and leaving trees fine |
| 02:26 |
NekoGloop |
As long as there's holes in the ground. |
| 02:27 |
sokomine |
ok. can you tell us? even if we don't understand it in detail the process of telling us might help you to find a better solution |
| 02:27 |
hmmmm |
once in a blue moon, on a very rare occasion, you'll come across a flat wall in a cave |
| 02:27 |
hmmmm |
if it's up against a block boundary and some other special conditions |
| 02:27 |
sdzen |
IRL soe cave walls are flat |
| 02:27 |
NekoGloop |
That actually sounds like it wouldn't be that bad :P |
| 02:27 |
sdzen |
some* |
| 02:27 |
mauvebic |
would it be possible to add something to conf to disable caves completely? |
| 02:27 |
hmmmm |
there already is |
| 02:28 |
mauvebic |
came after 0.4.4S? |
| 02:28 |
sokomine |
doesn't that happen already from time to time? even with random at work, the occasional (almost) flat wall may be found in caves. it's just a matter of how big they get |
| 02:29 |
hmmmm |
i don't know, but it's in the newest version for sure |
| 02:29 |
sokomine |
hm. sometimes (mostly on redcrabs server) i found caves which had a flat ground surface for a large part. the floor of caves was oddly even |
| 02:30 |
hmmmm |
sokomine, hrmm, looking at the code, yes that's logically what would happen.. |
| 02:30 |
sokomine |
usually i prefer above-the-ground things :-) |
| 02:30 |
sdzen |
we at minetest pride ourselves in living under rocks |
| 02:31 |
sokomine |
er...you can have them :-) i'll build my house above ground and we'll all enjoy our respective areas :-) |
| 02:31 |
hmmmm |
alright so whatever |
| 02:31 |
hmmmm |
i'll just leave it this way |
| 02:31 |
Kacey |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jedDiy8p4s8&list=PL0356053BA45C3464&index=14 we need one... |
| 02:31 |
sokomine |
so the only problem that might occour in caves would be rare walls that are too regular? |
| 02:31 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 02:32 |
hmmmm |
which, again, should happen as it is right now |
| 02:32 |
sokomine |
doesn't sound so dramatic. can you test it? |
| 02:32 |
hmmmm |
well yeah |
| 02:32 |
hmmmm |
it's not dramatic at all |
| 02:32 |
hmmmm |
but i know people will complain about it |
| 02:32 |
sokomine |
hm. will those walls occour more often? maybe you can do a few screenshots |
| 02:33 |
sokomine |
it's hardly avoidable that people will complain. that will always happen. which doesn't mean "life" underground should get less good... |
| 02:33 |
sdzen |
aren't there already walls in minetest that look too regular? |
| 02:34 |
NekoGloop |
Yep. |
| 02:34 |
sdzen |
so what the hell does it matter? |
| 02:34 |
NekoGloop |
There'll just be some more. |
| 02:36 |
sokomine |
or maybe the whole cave generation could be like it is beneath sea level and be replaced/modified above sea level? |
| 02:37 |
hmmmm |
http://ompldr.org/vaGpzYQ |
| 02:37 |
khonkhortisan |
that looks silly |
| 02:38 |
sdzen |
seen it before |
| 02:38 |
sdzen |
old mapgen |
| 02:38 |
NekoGloop |
That actually looks kinda badass. |
| 02:38 |
mauvebic |
cavegen where y > 0 kinda odd |
| 02:38 |
hmmmm |
so like |
| 02:38 |
NekoGloop |
mauvebic: y>0 cavegen == caves with entrances above ground |
| 02:39 |
hmmmm |
would you guys be okay with things like this every once in a blue moon? |
| 02:39 |
* khonkhortisan |
doesn't get a vote |
| 02:39 |
sdzen |
I see no issue |
| 02:39 |
hmmmm |
because it's really hard to fix completely, plus the it was previously this way so nothing's being changed, only being fixed |
| 02:39 |
sokomine |
i've got the impression that "things like this" already happen? |
| 02:39 |
sokomine |
true...more people ought to be asked |
| 02:39 |
NekoGloop |
Seeing as the general public's opinion is irrelevant? |
| 02:39 |
mauvebic |
what if it only applied to default nodes? |
| 02:40 |
sdzen |
they do already happen |
| 02:41 |
NekoGloop |
The only one who's opinion matters is celeron's. Since he's basically making this into a open-source-but-you-can't-influence-development game |
| 02:41 |
hmmmm |
alright |
| 02:41 |
mauvebic |
well there are 3-4 peopl with pull arent there? |
| 02:42 |
Kacey |
i cant figure this out... |
| 02:42 |
sdzen |
eh in my opinion there are three people with meaningfull opinions |
| 02:42 |
hmmmm |
as for the caves-eating-trees problem |
| 02:42 |
sdzen |
2 of which left |
| 02:42 |
NekoGloop |
mauvebic: And celeron sitting there reverting everything. |
| 02:42 |
hmmmm |
hrmmm |
| 02:42 |
hmmmm |
yeah i'll get that |
| 02:42 |
hmmmm |
in a different commit though |
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| 02:44 |
Kacey |
i dont think this can work\ |
| 02:45 |
sokomine |
since the cavegen does not only eat trees but imported large maps and buildings (worldedit) as well fixing that would be really nice. i don't know if the cave-loving players can live with those changes? it doesn't seem much to me...caves are not always irregular |
| 02:45 |
mauvebic |
well when you create a map, you could have a checkbox for caves and stick that in the .mt file? |
| 02:46 |
Kacey |
night all |
| 02:46 |
mauvebic |
could be a decent compromise for everyone |
| 02:46 |
sdzen |
I have a good feeling this will be like the last time mapgen got "fixed" |
| 02:46 |
sdzen |
moving to the bigger better one always comes with a drawback |
| 02:46 |
sdzen |
which makes you kinda regret going over to it |
| 02:46 |
sdzen |
weighing pros and cons |
| 02:47 |
mauvebic |
well players like me (from the simcity days) like plain maps with terrain editing powers :p |
| 02:47 |
sdzen |
only difference is that due to the influx of people playing minetest |
| 02:47 |
sdzen |
its alot harder to come to terms |
| 02:47 |
mauvebic |
consensus |
| 02:47 |
mauvebic |
yeah |
| 02:47 |
sdzen |
so we need celeron to ignore us all again |
| 02:48 |
sdzen |
and then progress shall be made! |
| 02:48 |
mauvebic |
that doesnt work either, people bitch more lol |
| 02:48 |
sdzen |
well ignore us more :) |
| 02:48 |
sdzen |
if he ignores people |
| 02:48 |
berome |
lol |
| 02:48 |
sdzen |
why would he care about bitching |
| 02:48 |
mauvebic |
then need an odd number of people with pull and hold a democracy between them |
| 02:48 |
mauvebic |
*they need |
| 02:48 |
berome |
lol |
| 02:48 |
sdzen |
nope :) |
| 02:48 |
berome |
(correct english, I hope) |
| 02:48 |
khonkhortisan |
then people will be asking "2 in?" like they do in game matches |
| 02:48 |
sdzen |
celeron55 the dictator over us all |
| 02:49 |
mauvebic |
its kinda more odd when one guy pulls something and the other reverts it lol |
| 02:49 |
sdzen |
we his underlings |
| 02:49 |
sdzen |
no more pilzadam darkrose xyz and the like :) |
| 02:49 |
sdzen |
just c55 again |
| 02:50 |
sdzen |
we at the mercy of his preference |
| 02:50 |
ShadowNinja |
RealBadAngel: can you come on my server? |
| 02:50 |
sdzen |
he manages all the pulls and dissapears for a month or two halting development |
| 02:50 |
MiJyn |
or at the mercy of some guy who's had enough and forked it :P |
| 02:51 |
sdzen |
yep! |
| 02:51 |
sdzen |
exactly MiJyn |
| 02:51 |
sdzen |
if you don't like dictatorship |
| 02:51 |
MiJyn |
and then the fork halts :P |
| 02:51 |
sdzen |
start your own |
| 02:51 |
MiJyn |
haha yep |
| 02:51 |
sdzen |
then feel the power |
| 02:51 |
MiJyn |
but I do like how BSD works |
| 02:51 |
mauvebic |
youre not really at anyone's mercy :P you can fork anytime, the challenge is continuing the work or finding people who can |
| 02:51 |
MiJyn |
no dictatorship |
| 02:51 |
sdzen |
of you and your tiny band of followers |
| 02:51 |
hmmmm |
sdzen, me and a small handful of others have been pushing minetest along for quite a while now |
| 02:51 |
MiJyn |
sdzen, haha correct xD |
| 02:52 |
sdzen |
I have no doubt hmmmm |
| 02:52 |
mauvebic |
what would be cool is bringing in more people who know theire way around cpp |
| 02:52 |
sdzen |
I am just saying that it would be simpler to have a dictatorship |
| 02:52 |
MiJyn |
yeah |
| 02:52 |
khonkhortisan |
rba's node rotation is a needed addition to mt |
| 02:52 |
hmmmm |
i agree |
| 02:52 |
mauvebic |
if i could learn i would have by now, ive tried, but the syntax is beyond me :P |
| 02:53 |
berome |
hmmmm: <hmmmm> sdzen, me and a small handful of others have been pushing minetest along for quite a while now lol not like agies |
| 02:53 |
berome |
and what's word make you think ? |
| 02:54 |
sdzen |
the |
| 02:54 |
mauvebic |
confused lol |
| 02:54 |
sdzen |
the makes me think berome |
| 02:54 |
sdzen |
the and the only |
| 02:54 |
hmmmm |
http://i.imgur.com/WncVYoL.gif |
| 02:55 |
berome |
sdzen: about correct practice of english |
| 02:55 |
berome |
? |
| 02:55 |
mauvebic |
looks like a turtle but notr sure lol |
| 02:55 |
sdzen |
don't be a grammarfag :) |
| 02:55 |
berome |
hmmmm: you can find links ?? awfull !! |
| 02:55 |
mauvebic |
no please with the grammarnazis lol im not native english either |
| 02:56 |
sdzen |
native here but everyone around me is so bastardized that its hard to remain correct |
| 02:57 |
hmmmm |
you know it's funny, the vast majority of people here aren't native english speakers yet their english is perfect |
| 02:57 |
mauvebic |
i went to a french catholic school lol |
| 02:57 |
NekoGloop |
And lots of native english speakers have shitty english |
| 02:57 |
mauvebic |
yeah well when its not your first language you're extra careful lol |
| 02:58 |
sdzen |
I don't have proper textual grammar |
| 02:58 |
berome |
hmmmm: I learn english 25 years ago |
| 02:58 |
mauvebic |
people from france wouldn't understand my quebecois french either lol |
| 02:58 |
sdzen |
look over your sentence berome |
| 02:58 |
sdzen |
before I hurt you |
| 02:58 |
sdzen |
learned mayhaps? |
| 02:59 |
berome |
learn is not correctly grammatized ? |
| 02:59 |
hmmmm |
yea you're part of the minority berome, sorry |
| 02:59 |
mauvebic |
though i find when people make efforts to speak english here, we shouldnt be too hard on them |
| 03:00 |
berome |
what are you talking about ? |
| 03:00 |
sdzen |
at least they speak :) |
| 03:00 |
berome |
what minority ? |
| 03:00 |
sdzen |
you know |
| 03:00 |
sdzen |
those cool kids |
| 03:00 |
sdzen |
:) |
| 03:00 |
NekoGloop |
berome: the "-ed" suffix means past tense. In other words, it indicates something that has happened in the past |
| 03:01 |
sdzen |
25 years ago you learned |
| 03:01 |
berome |
ok, but I still don't understood agies |
| 03:02 |
berome |
didn't probably |
| 03:02 |
sokomine |
aies? what's that? |
| 03:02 |
sdzen |
nobody wrote that |
| 03:02 |
sdzen |
well actually you did |
| 03:02 |
sdzen |
but.... |
| 03:02 |
sdzen |
you altered the quote of hmmmm |
| 03:03 |
berome |
02:36] <hmmmm> this mauvebic guy is just as aspie as you are |
| 03:03 |
berome |
better? |
| 03:04 |
berome |
no it lackes a "5" , wich make the whole "invalid argument" |
| 03:04 |
berome |
*a [ |
| 03:05 |
mauvebic |
ive never been diagnosed with aspergers' lol i am however severely claustrophobic |
| 03:05 |
sdzen |
dear gods may we just return to the caves? |
| 03:05 |
berome |
mauvebic: ? I don't talk to you, that's to easy because you understand |
| 03:06 |
berome |
and not hiding yourself under grammar "rhoooooo" |
| 03:06 |
sdzen |
oh almighty Zeus! my father! smite these people asunder so that your followers may rise once more! |
| 03:06 |
mauvebic |
im abit lost again lol |
| 03:06 |
* VanessaE |
looks in |
| 03:07 |
* sdzen |
swats the looking Eye |
| 03:07 |
sdzen |
curiousity will kill many cats |
| 03:07 |
mauvebic |
sounds like mordor lol |
| 03:07 |
NekoGloop |
sdzen: You can take that from me |
| 03:08 |
sdzen |
Peasant! you think I would pluck such trivial things from thine mouth? |
| 03:08 |
sdzen |
forshame sir! |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
ow. |
| 03:08 |
NekoGloop |
lol |
| 03:09 |
* mauvebic |
is lost lol |
| 03:09 |
* mauvebic |
makes bacon |
| 03:09 |
* mauvebic |
bitches love bacon |
| 03:09 |
sdzen |
oh your a pig? |
| 03:09 |
mauvebic |
well cats do anyways, ill never leave her near an unfinished pizza lol |
| 03:10 |
sdzen |
you make bacon |
| 03:10 |
mauvebic |
i thought of adding hot dog trees to the plantlib lol |
| 03:11 |
ShadowNinja |
RealBadAngel: can you come on my server? |
| 03:12 |
sdzen |
so does anyone understand berome anymore? |
| 03:12 |
berome |
[04:08] <sdzen> oh your a pig? , [04:09] <sdzen> you make bacon, awfull english, but perfectible logic, isn't it ? |
| 03:12 |
NekoGloop |
I can. |
| 03:13 |
RealBadAngel |
ShadowNinja, sure, ip? |
| 03:13 |
mauvebic |
enough negative stuff on the chat :p |
| 03:13 |
sdzen |
berome you fool why dost thou but your space before the question mark? |
| 03:14 |
berome |
thou ? |
| 03:14 |
mauvebic |
please stop |
| 03:14 |
sdzen |
okay :P |
| 03:14 |
mauvebic |
seriously lol were here to help people get shit done, |
| 03:14 |
mauvebic |
even if its shit lol |
| 03:15 |
sdzen |
just call me the elf that only helps once in a great while then fools around a large portion of the time |
| 03:15 |
sdzen |
sowwy |
| 03:18 |
mauvebic |
meow |
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| 03:19 |
NekoGloop |
That's my line. |
| 03:19 |
sdzen |
is everyone good with the caves? |
| 03:19 |
sdzen |
play nice kitties |
| 03:19 |
sdzen |
otherwise I will need to snap your adorable necks |
| 03:20 |
sdzen |
jk |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
caves having that vertical walls bug is kinda 'meh' really. |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
who cares about that, what's above-ground is more importantly |
| 03:20 |
sdzen |
I seriously don't care |
| 03:21 |
sdzen |
:) |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
-ly |
| 03:21 |
sdzen |
both are just as important |
| 03:21 |
sdzen |
and both are fine |
| 03:21 |
sdzen |
I would like more variance personally but.... |
| 03:22 |
sdzen |
c'est la vie |
| 03:22 |
VanessaE |
right but I'd rather have the occasional vertical cave wall than have above-ground caved griefing my trees et.al |
| 03:22 |
sdzen |
true |
| 03:22 |
sdzen |
btw I haven't seen an example of this bug yet |
| 03:23 |
sdzen |
anyone have a screenshot? |
| 03:24 |
berome |
[04:12] <sdzen> berome you fool why dost thou but your space before the question mark? |
| 03:25 |
sdzen |
please don't bring it up |
| 03:25 |
berome |
11] <berome> [04:08] <sdzen> oh your a pig? , [04:09] <sdzen> you make bacon, awfull english, but perfectible logic, isn't it ? |
| 03:25 |
berome |
better ? |
| 03:25 |
berome |
you will hurt me ? |
| 03:25 |
berome |
as you said |
| 03:25 |
BackupCoder |
hi |
| 03:25 |
BackupCoder |
be nice |
| 03:25 |
berome |
ok, OldCoder |
| 03:26 |
BackupCoder |
life is so short |
| 03:26 |
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| 03:26 |
hmmmm |
alright so i got that in https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/df2d85f2c9e0f31eb0d14942fc76d8e130826cb8 |
| 03:27 |
hmmmm |
vanessae you around |
| 03:27 |
hmmmm |
got some stuff to test |
| 03:29 |
hmmmm |
i think this is what i'm going to merge with master |
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| 03:34 |
khonkhortisan |
printer ink cartridge life is shorter |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
yeah I'm here |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: new_emerge branch? |
| 03:39 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
pulled and building now. |
| 03:41 |
khonkhortisan |
Sorry about that ShadowNinja |
| 03:41 |
VanessaE |
hoo, lot of warnings during this build. |
| 03:41 |
khonkhortisan |
it crashed after left-clicking with mining laser while pointing at the force field at a distance far enough away to not be selecting it |
| 03:41 |
khonkhortisan |
and it appears to be repeatable |
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| 03:43 |
hmmmm |
what are the warnings? |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: http://pastebin.com/kFLDZrV8 |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
repeated dozens of times over the course of the build. |
| 03:44 |
hmmmm |
eghk |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: ugh. this is decidedly less responsive than master |
| 03:45 |
hmmmm |
alright i remove it then |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
I think you better give it a try with moretrees+plantlife installed |
| 03:45 |
hmmmm |
is it less responsive than the last time you tested from that branch? |
| 03:45 |
khonkhortisan |
I think both SN and I ran out of memory |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
it's about the same speed as the last test |
| 03:45 |
hmmmm |
thought you said it was okay |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
it was until I put moretrees in, which adds tons of content and makes emergethread work really hard |
| 03:46 |
sdzen |
egads thats more errors then when I tried to compile your branch a few weeks ago |
| 03:46 |
hmmmm |
and master is fine with moretrees? |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
master seems to be measurably faster, yeah |
| 03:47 |
hmmmm |
can you link me to moretrees? |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
try it out - turn on debugging in plants_lib anf you can see how it just *races* through the blocks to be added to |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4394 |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3898 |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel will surely agree :) |
| 03:51 |
hmmmm |
i bet i can tell why too |
| 03:51 |
khonkhortisan |
that's just wrong, I can die by swimming into the bottom of the ocean really fast, but not by swimming into the bottom of a boat, or swimming into the shore really fast. |
| 03:51 |
MiJyn |
bye all :) |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: oh? |
| 03:51 |
MiJyn |
and yes, I know that everyone cares :P |
| 03:51 |
khonkhortisan |
bye MiJyn |
| 03:51 |
hmmmm |
vanessa.. add this to emerge.cpp |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
go ahead |
| 03:53 |
hmmmm |
insert after the { but before scriptapi_environment... on line 448 |
| 03:53 |
hmmmm |
put this: TimeTaker t_script("script on_generate"); |
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| 03:54 |
hmmmm |
then right after the call to scriptapi_environment_on_generate( .....) but before } |
| 03:54 |
hmmmm |
insert printf("== on_generate: %d\n", t_script.stop()); |
| 03:54 |
hmmmm |
now go and run around and generate some stuff |
| 03:55 |
hmmmm |
with and without moretrees |
| 03:56 |
hmmmm |
and tell me the numbers that pop up in the console that appear after "on_generate: " |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
== on_generate: 1565 |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
== on_generate: 3792 |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
== on_generate: 3269 |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
== on_generate: 3225 |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
bu then suddenly I get a rush of values in the 200-400 range |
| 03:58 |
VanessaE |
I see a few to several such lines before the generated terrain appears |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
and then when it does appear, there might be 2 or 3 large trees on a small island, but I know that mapblock and those trees take only a fraction of a second to generate |
| 04:02 |
sdzen |
it needs to be faster! |
| 04:02 |
sdzen |
:) |
| 04:02 |
sdzen |
a fraction is too much! |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 04:04 |
sdzen |
make it a nanosecond! |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
not that my code is slow (it isn't.) but it's too bad there's no way to compile an Lua mod into true binary executable code |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
in a way that is distributable I mean |
| 04:05 |
Menche |
is there any benefit to compiling to bytecode? |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
nonono not bytecode. |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
I mean actual machine code, which I guess LuaJIT does. |
| 04:05 |
Menche |
yeah |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
bytecode is pre-processed, tokenized pseudocode, which is faster to execute than the bare text, but isn't as fast as it can theoretically be |
| 04:06 |
Menche |
i know |
| 04:06 |
Menche |
lol |
| 04:07 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: did you try those two mods out? I suspect many other mods which hook into mapgen are affected similarly - their code is fast, but the engine is slow in propagating those changes to the client |
| 04:12 |
deivid |
bytecode isn't that slow really |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
no, but machine code is of course way faster |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
bytecode still has to be interpreted. |
| 04:13 |
deivid |
I had to run a couple of test at my job and it was almost the same |
| 04:13 |
khonkhortisan |
natural language is much slower than programming text |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
I think I pissed hmmmm off.... :-) |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
or made his head explode :) |
| 04:14 |
deivid |
and some JIT interpreters optimize code at runtime so you don't need to rebuild with special flags |
| 04:16 |
Menche |
i compiled all the minetest lua files into bytecode. I didn't really notice that much difference. |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
that's because they get compiled to byte code at load time anyway. |
| 04:16 |
Menche |
but the mods were mostly just adding blocks |
| 04:16 |
Menche |
yeah, i figured that |
| 04:17 |
deivid |
what are the default (and minimum) resolution for textures? |
| 04:17 |
Menche |
default: 16x |
| 04:17 |
Menche |
no minimum or maximum |
| 04:17 |
Menche |
people have made 1x packs |
| 04:17 |
deivid |
does it impact performance significantly? |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
biggest I've seen is 1024px, my own HDX goes to 512px. |
| 04:18 |
deivid |
i'm making some changes to run the game smoother on my netbook |
| 04:18 |
Menche |
i tested my 4x4 and the default 16x16, there wasn't much difference on my netbook |
| 04:18 |
deivid |
reaches 35fps (atom n450) with rendering limited to a 'moderate' (mc) distance |
| 04:19 |
deivid |
and about 20fps on default settings |
| 04:19 |
Menche |
my netbook can get up to around there with 15-25 rendering distance |
| 04:19 |
Menche |
it varies wildly though |
| 04:21 |
Menche |
try disabling smooth_lighting, new_style_leaves,enable_clouds, and enabling opaque_water |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
also try turning on mipmapping/. |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
(but not filtering) |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
this can have some speed advantage on some chips, at the cost of memory. |
| 04:23 |
Menche |
I think the anisotropic filtering checkbox enables bi- or tri-linear filtering |
| 04:23 |
Menche |
everything blurs |
| 04:23 |
VanessaE |
no, it doesn't enable either of those, but for some folks it acts like it |
| 04:23 |
Menche |
at least on my netbook |
| 04:24 |
VanessaE |
which is odd, because it's supposed to only affect distant objects |
| 04:24 |
VanessaE |
*shrug* |
| 04:24 |
Menche |
oh, it doesn't have the sharp edges of bilinear filtering |
| 04:25 |
Menche |
mipmapping has sharp edges where it transitions, when anisotropic is off |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
it's supposed to |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
that's what aniso fixes |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
why it gets blurry surely is a buggy video driver |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
because it doesn't do that for me unless I enable bi/trilinear filter. |
| 04:26 |
Menche |
could be the video driver? cause I also get weird artefacts occasionally |
| 04:26 |
Menche |
intel... |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
definitely the video driver then :-) |
| 04:26 |
sokomine |
i can't turn shaders on. those would be too much for my grapics card |
| 04:27 |
Menche |
same on my netbook, minetest looks like a slideshow with shaders on |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
I usually play with shaders off - they cost me fps on my card. |
| 04:27 |
sdzen |
I find that when I use it on my windows partition the ani is blurry |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
(aroudn 5 or 6 fps on average, which is quite visible when you're already down in the high 20s :-) ) |
| 04:27 |
sokomine |
hmpf :-) and i'm considering buying a intel with gpu...hd 4000 *looks* at least promising...(even a celeron would be slightly faster than what i've got now) |
| 04:28 |
sdzen |
haha :) |
| 04:28 |
deivid |
go for an apu |
| 04:28 |
sdzen |
idk the celerons are rather odd |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
sokomine: get a HD6870. they're quite the beast but not too expensive as video cards go. |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
I'm happy with mine anyway |
| 04:28 |
sokomine |
about ~15 fsps is quite ok for mt. i'd like to play better on far though |
| 04:28 |
Menche |
my lower-end nvidia runs it at 60 |
| 04:28 |
Menche |
with shaders |
| 04:29 |
sokomine |
i don't want a dedicated card. the maximum i'd go for is a passive simple one i think... |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
why not? |
| 04:29 |
sokomine |
consumes power, generates heat |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
dedicated cards have the advantage of being replaceable if they crap out |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
that much is true actually |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
my 6870 draws about 100 watts. |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
when MT is running |
| 04:30 |
sokomine |
i could put a card into my machine and thus improve it greatly. but then i'd have to add usb 3.0 eventually and maybe a card for sata as well....it's getting time to upgrade...after almost 5 years by now |
| 04:31 |
sokomine |
urgs! no, i don't want that |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
or rather, it draws 100 watts more I mean |
| 04:31 |
deivid |
well, get a 7750 |
| 04:31 |
sokomine |
that's what my entire computer supposedly draws whne running mt... |
| 04:31 |
sokomine |
hm |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
at idle, my machine only draws like 170 watts |
| 04:31 |
sokomine |
"only" |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
(I have a meter on my UPS) |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
yes, "only" ;-) |
| 04:31 |
* sokomine |
makes a note not to grief vanessas computer because that consumes too much power |
| 04:32 |
* sokomine |
grabs a netbook somewhere instead :_) |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 04:32 |
sokomine |
i'm not satisfied with the ~50 w mine draws. ought to be closer to ~20 to make me happy |
| 04:33 |
deivid |
undervolting may help |
| 04:33 |
sokomine |
perhaps. this was supposed to be a very power saving configuration :-( didn't work for me....maybe it really would have required undervolting |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
I don't fuck around when it comes to computers - a chick feels good about herself when she's in front of a big-cases power-sucking bastard that takes up half a square meter. :-) |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
oh also, of that 170W, about 90 is my monitors. |
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deivid |
my 27" sucks up only 15w |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
so the PC itself is only drawing like 80W at idle |
| 04:34 |
sokomine |
...and eats up your money while running...energy's expensive |
| 04:34 |
deivid |
are you using crts? |
| 04:34 |
deivid |
eletricity is cheap |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
deivid: LCDs but they're old as shit |
| 04:34 |
sokomine |
no, not here |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
these aren't modern energy-sparing ones, they're old |
| 04:34 |
deivid |
where are you from? |
| 04:34 |
sokomine |
germany |
| 04:35 |
deivid |
welpç |
| 04:35 |
deivid |
21USD/MW here in argentina |
| 04:35 |
sokomine |
we're at about ~24 cent/kwh |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
eek! |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
it's like 11 cents/kWh |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
here I mean |
| 04:36 |
sokomine |
that's a huge diffrence, yes |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
and we consider this area to be somewhat pricey |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
in cheap areas, it's about 8 cents |
| 04:36 |
deivid |
2.1cent/kwh in argentina |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
cheap areas of the US I mean |
| 04:36 |
sokomine |
the tax part is much more than 8 cent i think |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
I wish we had rates like that, deivid :-) |
| 04:37 |
sokomine |
deivid: that's really cheap! |
| 04:37 |
deivid |
oh that was outdated, it's 3.6 |
| 04:37 |
deivid |
still cheap |
| 04:37 |
VanessaE |
quite |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
the sad part is, most of that is still from coal, which is allegedly incredibly cheap to use |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
some day, I'm getting the fuck off of "the grid" and going solar PV |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
anyone got a metric assload of huge batteries they don't need? ;-) |
| 04:39 |
sdzen |
my grandmother said I need to get rid of them |
| 04:39 |
sdzen |
something about a massive acid leak..... |
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sdzen |
I don't believe you would want them :) |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 04:40 |
sokomine |
solar energy was subventionated here until some years ago |
| 04:42 |
deivid |
http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/02/08/1314220/fox-news-us-solar-energy-investment-less-than-germany-because-us-has-less-sun |
| 04:43 |
sokomine |
less sun? hmmmm |
| 04:43 |
sokomine |
i guess it depends on the part of the us you're talking about? |
| 04:43 |
deivid |
map comparison http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/us_germany_spain/pvmap_usgermanyspain%20poster-01.jpg |
| 04:43 |
sokomine |
if it weren't for the gulf stream it would be pretty cold here |
| 04:44 |
sdzen |
ive seen cactuses die in the sun around vermont in the summer :) |
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jordan4ibanez |
How do I use setnode? |
| 04:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
I'm using minetest.env:add_node(pos,"boop:shoowop") but it's telling me bad argument to #-2, string expected got nil |
| 04:51 |
sokomine |
iirc it takes node data |
| 04:51 |
sokomine |
e.g. minetest.env:add_node( pos, { type="node", name = nodename, param2 = param2}); |
| 04:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
so node={name="boop:shoowop"}? |
| 04:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
oh ok |
| 04:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
thank you |
| 04:52 |
sokomine |
i've seen it elsewhere as well :-) works fine in general |
| 04:52 |
sokomine |
(unless the area is not loaded...) |
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* NekoGloop |
puts a kitten on Nikondork's head |
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sokomine |
great: new testworld for trees and houses next to trees - and where do i start? desert next to ice... |
| 04:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
Nikondork?! |
| 04:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
I thought you belonged to minecraft |
| 04:56 |
sdzen |
who da fak? |
| 04:57 |
jordan4ibanez |
==Was only a minecrafter |
| 04:57 |
NekoGloop |
lol |
| 04:57 |
NekoGloop |
He's a minecrafter but is on this channel :P |
| 04:57 |
NekoGloop |
part of Gambit's "get all the people together so #minetest doesn't look like a buncha assholes" plan. |
| 04:58 |
jordan4ibanez |
Oh okay |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
hey now, enough of that language here. don't you know minecraft is a curse? ;-) |
| 04:58 |
NekoGloop |
Pfft. |
| 04:58 |
NekoGloop |
I'm unbanned on #minecraft, just too damn lazy to join it. |
| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
I leave those folks alone because, really, I have nothing against minecraft or its users. |
| 05:01 |
NakedFury |
only gratitude |
| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
other than it not being free and open source |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
other than that, I'm sure its a good game - if it weren't for MC, we wouldn't have MT. |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
(someone had to come up with the idea, after allO) |
| 05:03 |
NekoGloop |
Well, we would have MT; maybe not the same MT, but someone somewhere would have chosen to make an FOSS version of a voxel-based game. |
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Badger436 |
hi all |
| 05:07 |
khonkhortisan |
hello |
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| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: well, maybe so. |
| 05:20 |
hmmmm |
vanessa, you do realize what those numbers mean, right? |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
I presume a measure of milliseconds? |
| 05:21 |
hmmmm |
yup |
| 05:21 |
hmmmm |
that means on_generate is taking like three _seconds_ |
| 05:21 |
hmmmm |
i assume the "many more much lower numbers" are air blocks being generated |
| 05:21 |
hmmmm |
i didn't try out those mods, no, sorry... |
| 05:21 |
hmmmm |
i do believe you though |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
but did you look at the debug output from plants_lib? it races through each 5^3 chunk in way less than 1 seconds even with lots of trees being added |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
that would be 'no' then ;) |
| 05:22 |
hmmmm |
but it begs the question.. how the hell do you play minetest with it taking that long to generate a chunk |
| 05:22 |
hmmmm |
that is insane |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
which is why I limit mapgen-related mods to just moretrees and various things that add ores. |
| 05:23 |
jordan4ibanez |
You guys are going to love what I just whipped up |
| 05:23 |
hmmmm |
and just to be clear |
| 05:23 |
hmmmm |
this unresponsiveness you speak of is on single player, or on a server? |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
both |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
or wait |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
actually singleplater |
| 05:24 |
hmmmm |
yea.. |
| 05:24 |
VanessaE |
singleplayer* |
| 05:24 |
hmmmm |
well it's easy to see why |
| 05:24 |
VanessaE |
I haven't deployed your fork to the server yet |
| 05:24 |
VanessaE |
oh? |
| 05:24 |
hmmmm |
anyway, in your config entry, set num_emerge_threads = 1, and then either remove the generate and diskonly limit lines, or set them to 5 and 1, respectively |
| 05:25 |
hmmmm |
then try it again and please tell me that at least it's not a regression from upstream |
| 05:25 |
VanessaE |
trying now. |
| 05:25 |
hmmmm |
i need to work out how on earth i'm going to account for mods taking _seconds_ to carry out their tasks |
| 05:26 |
hmmmm |
i'm probably going to end up not "fixing" this until i get a voxelmanipulator interface in lua and have mods do things outside of an envlock |
| 05:26 |
VanessaE |
hm. I think it's about equivalent to master with that setting now |
| 05:26 |
hmmmm |
of course it is! |
| 05:26 |
VanessaE |
maybe just a *hair* slower |
| 05:26 |
hmmmm |
indeed |
| 05:26 |
hmmmm |
that's because of the cave fix |
| 05:27 |
VanessaE |
now here's a real test. |
| 05:27 |
VanessaE |
hold plz |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
ok. moretrees out. plants_lib out. delete the map file. |
| 05:28 |
deivid |
jordan what did you do? I'm curious |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
let it generate. it's about 2-3 times as fast without the big trees. |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
Now, the test: |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
worldedit. |
| 05:28 |
hmmmm |
oh boy |
| 05:29 |
hmmmm |
ohh that's why worldedit tests this |
| 05:29 |
hmmmm |
derpderpderp |
| 05:29 |
hmmmm |
it adds those to the queue in the SEnv step |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
set a volume of 568008 nodes to air....13 seconds to execute |
| 05:30 |
hmmmm |
i'd say that's pretty good... |
| 05:31 |
hmmmm |
that's just me though |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
it took about 10 seconds after that before the map echoed back the change |
| 05:31 |
hmmmm |
so with those settings right there, do you give it the seal of approval? |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
now if I were to //load a huge building, the load time would be similar, but the time between finishing the load and seeing it appear would be MINUTES |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
even if the load only takes 20-30 seconds |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
yeah, I think with the current settings, we're looking at roughly the same performance as with master. |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
I need to deploy this to the server for more tests though. |
| 05:32 |
hmmmm |
things will get faster |
| 05:32 |
hmmmm |
alright, should probably do that |
| 05:32 |
sokomine |
hmmm: i do not know what happens exactly. i had worlds that were unusuable even without any mods. maybe the seed sometimes has influence as well? |
| 05:32 |
hmmmm |
i'm eager to get the stuff i currently have merged so i can work on other things. this is sort of holding me up because if i were to make changes to the master branch, i'd cause merge conflicts |
| 05:33 |
hmmmm |
me? |
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mauvebic |
i mean it, i've had it with men, i'm going back to being a virgin! |
| 05:34 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: hahah |
| 05:34 |
mauvebic |
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/polls/385000/385166_1266973153207_full.jpg |
| 05:35 |
mauvebic |
:P |
| 05:35 |
sokomine |
that strange delay between structures beeing generated/imported on map level and actually appearing onscreen puzzled me today as well |
| 05:35 |
mauvebic |
lol what? |
| 05:36 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: ok, it has been rolled out to the server. |
| 05:36 |
hmmmm |
sokomine, were you using the new_emerge branch? |
| 05:36 |
mauvebic |
you might like this: im spawning the enterprise - D |
| 05:36 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: which one? |
| 05:36 |
mauvebic |
1701 D, the galaxy class (ie, interplanetary palace lol) |
| 05:37 |
VanessaE |
the regular one or the "All Good Things" one? |
| 05:37 |
sokomine |
no, no new branch. just the versions from git. that strange error occoured with several worlds with a build a few weeks ago |
| 05:37 |
mauvebic |
2 warp engines :p |
| 05:37 |
hmmmm |
not my fault! |
| 05:37 |
sokomine |
it seems better now. but it does vary in my experience |
| 05:37 |
mauvebic |
finding a decent mesh of the D was tough enough |
| 05:37 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 05:37 |
sokomine |
mauvebic: give me a room there :-) ok...hm...1701d..please as far away from the holodeck as possible :-) |
| 05:38 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: if you wish to see your fork in action, vanessae.mine.bz:30000 |
| 05:38 |
hmmmm |
okay |
| 05:38 |
mauvebic |
holodecks - as a mod - would be totally cool lol |
| 05:39 |
hmmmm |
hrmm |
| 05:39 |
VanessaE |
hm? |
| 05:39 |
hmmmm |
it seems to be stuck at 6% on Media |
| 05:39 |
hmmmm |
oh okay nevermind |
| 05:39 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: indeed, but what would you do with it? |
| 05:39 |
hmmmm |
never really experienced a slow load with minetest until now |
| 05:40 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: yeah, the percent display needs seriously reworked. it just hangs while loading cached media when it should be counting up |
| 05:40 |
mauvebic |
well what are holodecks, but a world within a world? kind reminds me of nether mod |
| 05:40 |
hmmmm |
haha, this would be the first time i'm on somebody's server |
| 05:40 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: right, so basically a teleporter :-) |
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VanessaE |
hmmmm: oy. Well expect 5 mins worth of load time then |
| 05:40 |
Exio |
VanessaE: talking about that, i always get 0%.. 1% and then 100% here :P |
| 05:41 |
hmmmm |
and here we go |
| 05:41 |
VanessaE |
Exio: exactly - that needs badly fixed. |
| 05:41 |
hmmmm |
woah |
| 05:41 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 05:41 |
hmmmm |
what's with all the flashing nodes on the bottom left |
| 05:41 |
* NekoGloop |
once I get the enemy skill materia in FF7: Barret le Blue Mage! |
| 05:42 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: I wish I could see that. render-to-texture, but linux machines generally don't get to see that |
| 05:42 |
hmmmm |
you have some awesome looking buildings here |
| 05:42 |
VanessaE |
thanks |
| 05:42 |
mauvebic |
well screw holodecks for the moment, you might like better : i got computer displays to connect to pipeworks |
| 05:43 |
mauvebic |
to make the plasma worth something |
| 05:43 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: er..whaddya trying to do, pipe plas...hahahah |
| 05:43 |
VanessaE |
turning pipes into plasma conduits :-) |
| 05:43 |
VanessaE |
now you need textures that read "GNDN" and some random number ;) |
| 05:44 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: so what kind of changes are we seeing with your branch right now? I forgot what all you did besides trying to make emergethread multi-threaded |
| 05:44 |
mauvebic |
well on star trek ships its mostly liquid plasma so pipes seemed natural :p |
| 05:45 |
VanessaE |
I don't think the plasma is actually liquid |
| 05:45 |
VanessaE |
it's...plasma :-) |
| 05:45 |
mauvebic |
i need to create blue and red plasma for the actual "warp engines" |
| 05:45 |
VanessaE |
(the fourth state of matter after solid, liquid, and gas)( |
| 05:45 |
mauvebic |
true but as a drawtype, looks better as liquid than solid :p |
| 05:46 |
VanessaE |
true, heh |
| 05:46 |
VanessaE |
we need a "gaslike" draw type :-) |
| 05:46 |
mauvebic |
pipeworks can carry gasses, with tension/pressure |
| 05:46 |
VanessaE |
something that renders as sorta like a cloud |
| 05:46 |
hmmmm |
well i moved all emerge-related things to emerge.cpp, totally reworked the emerge thread queue |
| 05:46 |
Exio |
and somewhen a "plasmalike" draw type :D |
| 05:46 |
hmmmm |
then i made it multithreaded |
| 05:47 |
VanessaE |
that dissipates upwards and outwards, but which clings to the ground under gravity's influence |
| 05:47 |
mauvebic |
imagine : the plasma stream in a warp nacelle looks like a thunderbult :P |
| 05:47 |
mauvebic |
*bolt |
| 05:47 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: ok, so this is basically where it was when you had me test it several days ago, where emergethread was nicely responsive |
| 05:47 |
VanessaE |
(other users on my server reported it being markedly more responsive than master) |
| 05:48 |
hmmmm |
serious!? |
| 05:48 |
VanessaE |
yup. |
| 05:48 |
hmmmm |
even with all those mods |
| 05:48 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 05:48 |
hmmmm |
and you had the number of threads cranked up to 4 |
| 05:48 |
VanessaE |
but we're talking about already-generated areas |
| 05:48 |
VanessaE |
nonono |
| 05:48 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 05:48 |
VanessaE |
before that |
| 05:48 |
hmmmm |
ah |
| 05:48 |
VanessaE |
several days ago, when you wanted me to check if emergethread was still locking up |
| 05:49 |
hmmmm |
i see |
| 05:49 |
mauvebic |
i need to try latest git, getting (28 FPS) on 0.4.4 lol |
| 05:50 |
mauvebic |
and not on any of my crappy computers lol |
| 05:50 |
Exio |
what computer? |
| 05:50 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: if this is where that was on Fed. 14 (before that brief build failure), then this is definitely an improvement |
| 05:50 |
mauvebic |
this one is dualcore amd |
| 05:51 |
mauvebic |
next oldest is emachines netbook (n450), after that P4 :p |
| 05:51 |
Exio |
fx x6 6100 + netbook n270 here |
| 05:52 |
Exio |
s/netbook/intel atom/ |
| 05:52 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: by the way, the inventory display is Unified Inventory. THIS is what creative mode should be by default, IMHO |
| 05:52 |
mauvebic |
n270 sounds like the netbook i had before, from Hp |
| 05:52 |
hmmmm |
i see |
| 05:53 |
mauvebic |
i like netbooks as cheap indepdentent computers, but the bloody batteries (most 3hrs) dont last long lol |
| 05:54 |
VanessaE |
<hmmm> meh, I don't care |
| 05:54 |
VanessaE |
;-) |
| 05:54 |
mauvebic |
and equal chance the jack will break before or arround the battery dies :p |
| 05:55 |
VanessaE |
hm, server's lagging. Did someone go off into new terrain? |
| 05:57 |
Exio |
mauvebic: i don't like netbooks more than being "clients" of better computers |
| 05:59 |
jordan4ibanez |
Cake http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4862 |
| 05:59 |
mauvebic |
its as easy to carry around as a tablet though with alot more storage |
| 06:00 |
mauvebic |
and a keyboard lol |
| 06:01 |
jordan4ibanez |
Best mod I've made so far. :3 |
| 06:02 |
MiJyn |
jordan4ibanez... paper and papyrus? |
| 06:02 |
Exio |
that mod is a lie |
| 06:02 |
MiJyn |
nice mod, but... the crafting...? |
| 06:02 |
mauvebic |
i think that mod is a plot by the north koreans |
| 06:02 |
jordan4ibanez |
Hey man, this doesn't depend on any other mods, so you tell me other things that are white and blue. xD |
| 06:02 |
mauvebic |
:P |
| 06:02 |
MiJyn |
jordan4ibanez, okay lol |
| 06:03 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: emergethread is *definitely* more responsive with your fork - to the point that I'm having trouble outrunning it now, at least for already-generated terrain |
| 06:03 |
MiJyn |
I can't wait to taste it (sand, dirt, papyrus, and paper... yummy!) |
| 06:03 |
jordan4ibanez |
Papyrus: sugar, dirt/sand: color, paper: color, water: color/ingredient :D |
| 06:03 |
MiJyn |
you might want to create your own ingredients |
| 06:03 |
hmmmm |
i'm glad that's the case at least |
| 06:03 |
jordan4ibanez |
Well I will in a later update :p |
| 06:03 |
MiJyn |
cool |
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VanessaE |
hmmmm: it's kinda sad that the multi-threaded thing doesn't work right, yet. it was nice seeing all those cores busting their asses like that :-) |
| 06:07 |
hmmmm |
i blame the mods |
| 06:07 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 06:07 |
hmmmm |
most of the time, i wish we didn't have lua mods |
| 06:07 |
hmmmm |
everything would be so much faaaaaaster |
| 06:07 |
VanessaE |
but even with just moretrees + plants_lib? We both know those are quite fast |
| 06:08 |
hmmmm |
so what do you do with all these extra ores? |
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NekoGloop |
What, moreores/glooptest/diamonds/technic? |
| 06:08 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 06:08 |
hmmmm |
the tin and copper and stuff |
| 06:09 |
hmmmm |
can you make things with it? |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
I don't use them much, but some people build with them, e.g. gold, silver, etc blocks |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
I use the granite and obsidian blocks in technic |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
and the marble ones |
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NekoGloop |
If you have technic, alloy them together in an alloy furnace. |
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jordan4ibanez |
Technic+Realtest=A pain in the arse |
| 06:10 |
NekoGloop |
Oh god, realtest. |
| 06:10 |
NekoGloop |
Is that even still a thing? |
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jordan4ibanez |
Are you still even a thing? |
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mauvebic |
meow |
| 06:11 |
jordan4ibanez |
WELL? |
| 06:11 |
jordan4ibanez |
ARE YOU? |
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jordan4ibanez |
:3 |
| 06:11 |
* mauvebic |
head-butts jordan4ibanez |
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jordan4ibanez |
Oh god why |
| 06:11 |
hmmmm |
what do you use the khalite for |
| 06:11 |
hmmmm |
the red things |
| 06:11 |
mauvebic |
you know the cat actually sat on my head this morning, i was like 'wtf' |
| 06:12 |
NekoGloop |
I have possessed your cat |
| 06:12 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: I don't use it, but others use it to make those reddish torches |
| 06:12 |
NekoGloop |
You can eat it too. |
| 06:12 |
NekoGloop |
Om nom nom |
| 06:12 |
VanessaE |
talinite is nice to build with - glowing blocks, similar to those in the bobblocks mod |
| 06:13 |
NekoGloop |
The ore also glows softly if that fits your liking |
| 06:13 |
VanessaE |
oh yeah, I forgot it was edible. |
| 06:13 |
jordan4ibanez |
Note: Water buckets still are not labled |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
not labeled? |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
oh yeah, I see |
| 06:14 |
NekoGloop |
They don't have a description tag because lazy asses |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
lol |
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jordan4ibanez |
Maybe the asses are asleep, sitting down too long causes that |
| 06:15 |
VanessaE |
hahaha |
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mauvebic |
the monkey with four asses? |
| 06:16 |
VanessaE |
heh |
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VanessaE |
hmmmm: any further opinions? |
| 06:18 |
hmmmm |
this is a lot more fun than i thought it was |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
now we just gotta work on making it go faster ;-) |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
but you've already got that under control |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
I'll keep working on finding ways to make my code faster also |
| 06:19 |
VanessaE |
maybe we need to seriously look into LuaJIT again |
| 06:19 |
NekoGloop |
My code doesn't have much that could even be slow. |
| 06:19 |
VanessaE |
then we won't be able to blame Lua for slow servers ;-) |
| 06:19 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: same for most of my code - only moretrees/plants_lib can theoretically be slow if misused |
| 06:20 |
NekoGloop |
There is like literally minimal lua behind my mods. |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
yup I know |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
about the only thing that could be slow about yours is the ore generation, since that's done entirely in Lua |
| 06:21 |
NekoGloop |
Well, you can blame default for that |
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VanessaE |
hmmmm: a C++ implementation of that function would be of benefit, I think |
| 06:21 |
NekoGloop |
I only call the default:generate_ore call. |
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VanessaE |
I know. |
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VanessaE |
others are still using copies of it |
| 06:21 |
NekoGloop |
Y'know, that one thing that I actually was able to directly contribute to upstream |
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VanessaE |
I wonder if technic still does |
| 06:22 |
VanessaE |
yup I know |
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jordan4ibanez |
Goodnight |
| 06:25 |
VanessaE |
d'oh |
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hmmmm |
crap |
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VanessaE |
PC crash? |
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hmmmm |
xorg just crashed for me, |
| 06:25 |
VanessaE |
eek |
| 06:26 |
NekoGloop |
My comp likes to forget where the hard drive is on occasion |
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hmmmm |
yeah, i was thinking of putting ore generation back in the core |
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VanessaE |
please do |
| 06:26 |
VanessaE |
I'm certain it's having a significant impact |
| 06:27 |
hmmmm |
hrm |
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hmmmm |
do you remember what my name was on your server |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
yeah, um |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
hold |
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NekoGloop |
"5a4f4d4s5a65df4a" |
| 06:29 |
VanessaE |
dammit |
| 06:29 |
VanessaE |
sdfgffgs |
| 06:29 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: ^^ |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
why aren't join/part messages logged? |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
I had to dig through auth.txt to find it |
| 06:30 |
NekoGloop |
because pie |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
no, CAKE! :-) |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=71879#p71879 |
| 06:30 |
hmmmm |
ah password |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
need me to reset it? |
| 06:30 |
hmmmm |
the passwords aren't stored in plaintext either are they |
| 06:30 |
hmmmm |
you can do that while the server's running? |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
nope, hashed. |
| 06:31 |
VanessaE |
sure |
| 06:31 |
hmmmm |
ah yeah |
| 06:31 |
hmmmm |
something sensible like asdfg |
| 06:31 |
hmmmm |
i think i typed in like asddfgsfg |
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VanessaE |
I reset it. |
| 06:31 |
hmmmm |
k |
| 06:31 |
hmmmm |
thx |
| 06:31 |
VanessaE |
np |
| 06:32 |
hmmmm |
ah it's building the texture atlas |
| 06:32 |
hmmmm |
and it runs out of memory so it quits |
| 06:32 |
VanessaE |
disable it. you'll want to. :-) |
| 06:34 |
* VanessaE |
grumbles at F10 not working right |
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VanessaE |
solution: |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
open a terminal, |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
tail -n 10000000 -f /home/minetest/.minetest/debug-server.txt |grep CHAT |
| 06:35 |
VanessaE |
:-) |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 06:36 |
VanessaE |
intersting. Wonder why today's chat didn't get logged... |
| 06:36 |
VanessaE |
hey OldCoder |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
Yeh |
| 06:38 |
NekoGloop |
VanessaE: Because "Today" was 1.5 hrs ago. |
| 06:38 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: I mean my server's log |
| 06:42 |
VanessaE |
interesting - it isn't logging at all now. I wonder why? |
| 06:43 |
hmmmm |
you're using my branch, right? |
| 06:43 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 06:43 |
VanessaE |
disabled by default? |
| 06:43 |
hmmmm |
yes |
| 06:43 |
VanessaE |
that explains it :-) |
| 06:43 |
hmmmm |
if you want it back to the old way, set debug_log_level=4 |
| 06:43 |
VanessaE |
could you add something to allow chat and join/part to be logged to a separate file? |
| 06:44 |
hmmmm |
well okay |
| 06:44 |
VanessaE |
in the absence of a working F10 (crashes frequently), grep'ing for "CHAT" is how I get chat history/scrollback |
| 06:51 |
hmmmm |
alright |
| 06:51 |
hmmmm |
i'm done building for tonight |
| 06:51 |
hmmmm |
later gators |
| 06:51 |
hmmmm |
looks like this is good to merge... |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
night |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
go ahead and merge it |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
the other stuff can be fixed later |
| 06:53 |
NekoGloop |
F10 works fine for me :,D |
| 06:53 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: kwolekr commited to celeron55/minetest: Added debug log level setting 7f240aea1e 2013-02-21T19:35:04-08:00 http://git.io/266izQ |
| 06:54 |
hmmmm |
i could've sworn i did that already |
| 06:54 |
hmmmm |
yeah i'll do that tomorrow |
| 06:54 |
hmmmm |
at leeast my master is up to date |
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VanessaE |
hey Oblivion. |
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Oblivion1500 |
oh hello |
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ok, time for bed. Night all. |
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akerok_ |
Hello everyone. |
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pandaro |
SPAM:http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4863 |
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Jordach |
morning people |
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Jordach |
i was right. |
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Jordach |
the green bar at the top of minetest.net HAS changed |
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* Jordach |
is finally getting around to the Johto map |
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celeron55 |
Jordach: i was bored at work so i added some javascript to set the color based on time of day 8) |
| 13:19 |
Jordach |
oh nice |
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Jordach |
celeron55, i thought i was going a bit mad |
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Jordach |
yup, spotted the color swap |
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Jordach |
"Minetest, warming players coffees since 0.4.3" |
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Jordach |
anyone about? |
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Jordach |
or the fact that im going to open my johto world today (watch me go!) |
| 13:32 |
celeron55 |
wtf is "johto" |
| 13:32 |
Jordach |
map from a game |
| 13:32 |
Jordach |
:) |
| 13:32 |
Jordach |
im converting it by hand and NOT WE |
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celeron55 |
i know it means "electiral wire" in finnish, but i guess that's not the case here |
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* Jordach |
hates worldedit |
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Jordach |
actually wait five secs |
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Jordach |
(disabling mesecons!) |
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Jordach |
server port forward test: 81.155.108.41 |
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Jordach |
(30000) |
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Jordach |
oh come on: In thread d70: |
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Jordach |
..\..\src\minetest-flat-2013.01.11-114d96ad63\src\client.cpp:1696: Client::ProcessData: Assertion '!m_mesh_update_thread.IsRunning()' failed. |
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Jordach |
!up 81.155.108.41 30000 |
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MinetestBot |
81.155.108.41:30000 seems to be down |
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Jordach |
hmm... |
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Jordach |
checking BOTH routers |
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Jordach |
found it. |
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Jordach |
!up 81.155.108.41 30000 |
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MinetestBot |
81.155.108.41:30000 seems to be down |
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Jordach |
(router's server setting was 192.168.2.2, my pc is 192.168.2.3 |
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Jordach |
) |
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Jordach |
!up 81.155.108.41 30000 |
| 13:49 |
MinetestBot |
81.155.108.41:30000 is up (0.170ms) |
| 13:49 |
Jordach |
BINGO |
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OldCoder |
Hi |
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OldCoder |
Jordach, PM |
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Jordach |
hm? |
| 13:52 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
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Jordach |
hey hmmmm |
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hmmmm |
sup? |
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jin_xi |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4766 updated l-system info with ingame tree editor |
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Kacey |
hi all |
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Jordach |
hey kácéy |
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Jordach |
oops, alt gr lock |
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Jordach |
jin_xi, cool beans! |
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Kacey |
Jordach, have you heard what rba is releasing tomorrow? |
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Jordach |
nope. |
| 14:45 |
Jordach |
can you tell me? |
| 14:46 |
* Jordach |
is interested |
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Kacey |
he is making an in-game computer with FORTH onboard |
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Kacey |
its gonna be cooooooooooooooooool |
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* sfan5 |
is compiling the linux kernel |
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Kacey |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb0Q9htsbBI something like this i assume |
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Kacey |
bye all |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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MinetestBot |
hi PilzAdam |
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rubenwardy |
hi all |
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MinetestBot |
hi rubenwardy |
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PilzAdam |
new win32 build with gettext and ttf: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 |
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VadtecWk |
hey all |
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MinetestBot |
hi VadtecWk |
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* NekoGloop |
puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head |
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MinetestBot |
NekoGloop: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens |
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rubenwardy |
minetestbot kitten |
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rubenwardy |
Minetestbot Kitten |
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* rubenwardy |
MinetestBot kitten |
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* Jordach |
gives a kitten to MinetestBot |
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* rubenwardy |
puts a kitten on MinetestBot's sofa |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens |
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Jordach |
MinetestBot failed to get my kitten |
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* rubenwardy |
puts a puppy on MinetestBot's lap |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Awwwww.... |
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* rubenwardy |
kicks MinetestBot |
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rubenwardy |
meh |
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rubenwardy |
As I am the person who wrote this guide, http://dev.minetest.net/How_to_communicate#Do_not_abuse_the_bots - I am not very good at following it. |
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VadtecWk |
bot abuse? |
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* VadtecWk |
punches MinetestBot in the face |
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VadtecWk |
thats bot abuse |
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VadtecWk |
:P |
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rubenwardy |
MinetestBot's potato that has a kitten |
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* rubenwardy |
MinetestBot's potato that has a kitten |
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* rubenwardy |
is trying to work out how MinetestBot's algorithms work |
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* rubenwardy |
spelt algorithm right |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy, MinetestBot has a repo |
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Jordach |
https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules |
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PilzAdam |
https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules |
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Jordach |
PilzAdam, ninja'd |
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sfan5 |
:D |
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Jordach |
sfan5 is in a good modd! |
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Jordach |
mood* |
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PilzAdam |
Jordach, thats 10 secoinds, that doesnt count.... |
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PilzAdam |
-i |
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Jordach |
yes it does |
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Jordach |
:D |
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rubenwardy |
wow |
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Jordach |
win. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=71953#p71953 |
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artur99 |
where can i find a tutorial about how node_box work? |
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sfan5 |
!g nodebox minetest |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2840 |
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rubenwardy |
should I eat a kitten? |
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sfan5 |
^ artur99 maybe there |
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Jordach |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2333 |
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Jordach |
artur99, ^^ |
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rubenwardy |
minetestbot should I eat a kitten? |
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rubenwardy |
minetestbot should I eat a kitten? |
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artur99 |
where? |
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sfan5 |
MinetestBot: should i eat a kitten? |
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sfan5 |
!g nodebox minetest |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2840 |
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sfan5 |
^ artur99 |
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rubenwardy |
MinetestBot should I eat you? |
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rubenwardy |
MinetestBot: should I eat you? |
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sfan5 |
rubenwardy: theres a bug in the code |
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rubenwardy |
oh |
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sfan5 |
MinetestBot: reload ai |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: <module 'ai' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/ai.py'> (version: 2013-02-22 16:11:02) |
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sfan5 |
!ai enable |
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MinetestBot |
AI enabled. |
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sfan5 |
MinetestBot: should i eat a kitten? |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: I don't recommend eating kittens |
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sfan5 |
^ rubenwardy |
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rubenwardy |
cool |
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Jordach |
i call hax |
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rubenwardy |
MinetestBot: should I eat you? |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Don't eat me D: |
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* rubenwardy |
gives a bomb to MinetestBot |
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Jordach |
MinetestBot, should i give rubenwardy some mese |
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* rubenwardy |
puts a bomb on MinetestBot's head |
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MinetestBot |
*runs away* |
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Jordach |
MinetestBot, this sentance is neither true or false |
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rubenwardy |
MinetestBot: your mission is to fail this mission |
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Jordach |
Morning, afternoon NekoGloop |
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NekoGloop |
What? |
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Jordach |
(fuck the ctcp time!) |
| 16:14 |
NekoGloop |
Ipads Don't Like CTCP. |
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NekoGloop |
:) |
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Jordach |
-NekoGloop- TIME 2013-02-22 11:15:23 -0500 it works |
| 16:15 |
NekoGloop |
Lol |
| 16:15 |
Jordach |
NekoGloop, they do! |
| 16:15 |
Jordach |
also NekoGloop: pm |
| 16:15 |
NekoGloop |
Well then it didn't show up at my end |
| 16:19 |
VadtecWk |
VanessaE, active? |
| 16:19 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: write "test" into #minetest after 10 secs |
| 16:20 |
Jordach |
lets mine the test until the test mines us :D |
| 16:20 |
Jordach |
also: |
| 16:20 |
Jordach |
tet |
| 16:20 |
Jordach |
test |
| 16:20 |
sfan5 |
test |
| 16:20 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 16:21 |
VadtecWk |
test test test |
| 16:21 |
sfan5 |
test |
| 16:21 |
NekoGloop |
test |
| 16:21 |
sfan5 |
test |
| 16:21 |
NekoGloop |
herp |
| 16:21 |
NekoGloop |
derp |
| 16:21 |
Jordach |
!up 81.155.108.41 30000 |
| 16:21 |
MinetestBot |
81.155.108.41:30000 is up (0.143ms) |
| 16:21 |
VadtecWk |
durka durka |
| 16:21 |
Jordach |
game on |
| 16:21 |
khonkhortisan |
if b_short_circuit_this_if and explode_everything then |
| 16:23 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, can i ask a question? |
| 16:23 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
| 16:23 |
Jordach |
can you make a sapling that spawns a .we building? |
| 16:23 |
Jordach |
from ONE file? |
| 16:24 |
Jordach |
because these trees take ages |
| 16:24 |
khonkhortisan |
robosapling |
| 16:26 |
NekoGloop |
Instasapling |
| 16:27 |
NekoGloop |
Or you could make the actual trees, lazy ass. ;) |
| 16:27 |
Jordach |
hint: http://i.imgur.com/CfOqdXZ.png |
| 16:27 |
khonkhortisan |
you prune the trees? |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
khonkhortisan, no, these are hand made |
| 16:32 |
Jordach |
if each tree takes 20 seconds, and theres about 30, then with a .we and a sapling spawn, i can effectively have 7/8ths saved |
| 16:32 |
rubenwardy |
I have a table, and I want to use table.insert to add something to it, so that it becomes |
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rubenwardy |
{ |
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rubenwardy |
name = "variable" |
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rubenwardy |
} |
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PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, use t["field"] = value |
| 16:33 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 16:33 |
PilzAdam |
table.insert is only for fields indexed by integers |
| 16:37 |
rubenwardy |
if i define a variable like |
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rubenwardy |
var = {} |
| 16:37 |
rubenwardy |
is it global? |
| 16:37 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
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PilzAdam |
if there is no local var in front of it |
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rubenwardy |
ok |
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Jordach |
mauvebic, morning |
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MinetestBot |
ninja'd |
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rubenwardy |
why did he say that? |
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sfan5 |
rubenwardy: don't know |
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sfan5 |
.... |
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rubenwardy |
I think he might have terrets ] |
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rubenwardy |
Tourettes |
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mauvebic |
turrets |
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rubenwardy |
pilzadam: is player_data[player].count[nodedug] correct? |
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rubenwardy |
playerdata = { |
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rubenwardy |
<playername> = { |
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rubenwardy |
count = { |
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rubenwardy |
node = number |
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rubenwardy |
} |
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rubenwardy |
} |
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rubenwardy |
} |
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khonkhortisan |
I just torched my way into a gravel cave-in |
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artur99 |
where to publish my mod on forum? |
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Jordach |
oh god this is funny |
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artur99 |
what? |
| 17:31 |
Jordach |
my brother just got given a RARE Windows ME tower |
| 17:31 |
Jordach |
...funny bit is ME never worked! |
| 17:31 |
artur99 |
whats that? |
| 17:31 |
Jordach |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_ME |
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FreeFull |
Jordach: So does it not actually have ME on it, or was the tower basically unused? |
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Jordach |
he tried to upgrade RAM |
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Jordach |
ME rejected it |
| 17:37 |
FreeFull |
Ah |
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FreeFull |
I wonder if XP would run well on it |
| 17:37 |
FreeFull |
Maybe not SP3 |
| 17:37 |
FreeFull |
I say stick 98 SE or linux or something on it |
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Jordach |
FreeFull, probably. its only 256mb of ram |
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Jordach |
i am going to suggest linux# |
| 17:38 |
Jordach |
if XP fails, then its Xubuntu time |
| 17:38 |
FreeFull |
Yeah, 98 SE is a bit too old now |
| 17:39 |
Jordach |
FreeFull, its a Intel Celeron |
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thexyz |
gentoo + distcc ftw |
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* Jordach |
tells thexyz to piss off |
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MinetestBot |
ninja'd |
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FreeFull |
Jordach: Which celeron? |
| 17:40 |
Jordach |
dunno |
| 17:40 |
artur99 |
where to publish my mod on forum? |
| 17:40 |
FreeFull |
I have a Celeron M in my old laptop, and that's from 2005 |
| 17:40 |
Jordach |
Modding General |
| 17:40 |
artur99 |
thanks |
| 17:41 |
FreeFull |
Celerons have ranged from pretty much as good as the Pentium to utterly horrible |
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* rubenwardy |
has a pentium |
| 17:44 |
artur99 |
and the form of the title will be like this [Mod] Name of mod [name of mod][version] |
| 17:44 |
artur99 |
? |
| 17:45 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 17:45 |
rubenwardy |
well |
| 17:45 |
rubenwardy |
[Mod] Name of mod [foldernameforthemod][version] |
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rubenwardy |
In github markdown is |
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rubenwardy |
============== |
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rubenwardy |
or |
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rubenwardy |
------------------------- |
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rubenwardy |
header one? |
| 17:46 |
* Jordach |
is testing ReactOS |
| 17:47 |
FreeFull |
Jordach: Is it any better than it used to be? |
| 17:47 |
Jordach |
think so |
| 17:47 |
FreeFull |
I'm wondering if they finished making that new kernel thing |
| 17:47 |
FreeFull |
Or whatever it was |
| 17:47 |
FreeFull |
That was supposed to speed up development |
| 17:47 |
artur99 |
what means 3m Release: ? |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
FreeFull, runs fine in QEMU |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
actually FASTER than XP |
| 17:48 |
FreeFull |
Well, I don't see why it'd be slower |
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artur99 |
can i use GPL license for a mod on forum? |
| 17:50 |
rubenwardy |
just set 3m to 1 |
| 17:50 |
Jordach |
YES |
| 17:51 |
rubenwardy |
for help on Minetest Extensions: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/help/entries.php |
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rubenwardy |
It is recommended that you add your mod to the forum, before Mt Extensions |
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artur99 |
ok |
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artur99 |
i saw a tutorial for adding a mod in forum, but i cant find it now... |
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PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, there should be a string in the [], e.g. players["PilzAdam"] |
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rubenwardy |
players is a variable |
| 18:01 |
rubenwardy |
local player = digger:get_player_name() |
| 18:01 |
rubenwardy |
it works now |
| 18:02 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot: reload ai |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: <module 'ai' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/ai.py'> (version: 2013-02-22 18:02:23) |
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sfan5 |
!ai enable |
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MinetestBot |
AI enabled. |
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VanessaE |
morning all |
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rotor112 |
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rotor112 |
don't type /list |
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VanessaE |
haha |
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Oblivion1500 |
hello, just wondering if i am to port forward and direct it to a computer but there is no program using that port will i still be able to run canyouseeme.com and see that the port is open? |
| 18:17 |
rubenwardy |
no |
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rubenwardy |
iirc |
| 18:17 |
VanessaE |
depends on your OS, but usually no |
| 18:17 |
rubenwardy |
canyouseeme requires a responce |
| 18:17 |
VanessaE |
a port is usually only "open" if something is listening to it |
| 18:19 |
Oblivion1500 |
ok well im trying to run openssh and i know that it is listening |
| 18:20 |
Oblivion1500 |
but i just want to test that my modem is even able to open ports properly |
| 18:20 |
Oblivion1500 |
i have been trying to get ssh working on my server for like 5 days now |
| 18:20 |
Oblivion1500 |
and i cant be so stupid as to not know how to port forward |
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Oblivion1500 |
lets just say netstat -nl is telling me that there are 3 ports my server is listening for and when i forward to one of those i still dont get a responce from canyouseeme.com |
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webdesigner97 |
Hi @ all |
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webdesigner97 |
Oops, but now: Hi @ all |
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rotor112 |
hi |
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MinetestBot |
... |
| 18:39 |
rotor112 |
... |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
hi |
| 18:41 |
MinetestBot |
hi rubenwardy |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
hi |
| 18:41 |
MinetestBot |
hi rubenwardy |
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rubenwardy |
... |
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rubenwardy |
o_o |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
O_o |
| 18:41 |
* VanessaE |
kicks MinetestBot in the ass |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
o_O |
| 18:42 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: what's the real difference between making a function name be part of a table, versus giving it a proper namespace? |
| 18:42 |
VanessaE |
I mean, in practice, not syntactically |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
I HAVE GOOD NEWS |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
Good news everybody! |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
what? |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
My brothers Win ME machine wont work |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
guess what did the trick. |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
you installed linux ;-) |
| 18:43 |
rotor112 |
hi |
| 18:43 |
MinetestBot |
... |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
Xubuntu yup. |
| 18:43 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, what do you mean by "giving it a proper namespace"? |
| 18:43 |
rotor112 |
hi |
| 18:43 |
rotor112 |
hi |
| 18:43 |
MinetestBot |
hi rotor112 |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
its only 256mb of ram and a intel celeron 990mhz (shudder) so it *should* work |
| 18:44 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: mymod:somefunction() versus mymod.somefunction() |
| 18:44 |
VanessaE |
(colon versus period as used in table fields) |
| 18:44 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, the : passes the table in front of the : to the function as the first argument |
| 18:45 |
VanessaE |
you sure about that? |
| 18:45 |
Jordach |
oh GOD. |
| 18:45 |
Jordach |
the Modding Titan battle it out across #minetest |
| 18:45 |
Jordach |
Titans* |
| 18:45 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, no |
| 18:45 |
VanessaE |
because I use that sort of syntax in plants_lib and it works exactly as I expected it to |
| 18:45 |
rotor112 |
last time my minetest.conf got deleted |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=71983#p71983 |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
SPAM |
| 18:46 |
rotor112 |
I had to add all my settings again |
| 18:46 |
PilzAdam |
both, cart:on_step(self, dtime) and cart:on_stet(dtime) can access self |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
VanessaE: |
| 18:46 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: strange, I don't see any spam ;-) |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, got to give the bot points for filling out the from form |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
from: usa |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
thats a point. |
| 18:47 |
rubenwardy |
table:func(param) |
| 18:47 |
rubenwardy |
is the same as |
| 18:47 |
rubenwardy |
table.func(self,param) |
| 18:47 |
rubenwardy |
google it |
| 18:47 |
VanessaE |
better to use the colon syntax then. |
| 18:47 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, i started to get around to my 2.5D map conversions |
| 18:47 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: automated or manual? |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
manual |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
.we is a bitch |
| 18:48 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, the thing is, that : is more OOP, theres no need for it when simply storing functions |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
OOP ZEALOT ^^ |
| 18:49 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: true. I use that syntax because it just makes more sense to me is all. I read the period syntax as "this is a field in a table", even if the field is a function. It helps me avoid getting confused in my own code :-) |
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VanessaE |
aw shit, everyone hide! |
| 18:50 |
VanessaE |
he's here |
| 18:50 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: please, read lua manual, thanks |
| 18:50 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, if you use objects, like minetest.env or itemstack, you have to use : |
| 18:50 |
thexyz |
see, nobody loves me =( |
| 18:50 |
Jordach |
oh god, colonoscopy in here! |
| 18:50 |
Jordach |
(as in, colons everywhere!) |
| 18:50 |
VanessaE |
either way, it works for me so :PPPP |
| 18:50 |
Jordach |
VanessaE used Fuck the Police |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
it was effective. |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
in other news, i found my fedora. |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
I am making an achievements mod. |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
should the chat command for listing the awards a player has be: |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
/awards |
| 18:52 |
rubenwardy |
/list_awards |
| 18:52 |
rubenwardy |
or ... |
| 18:52 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: as for reading an lua manual...heh, care to point to one that is written in plain English? :-) |
| 18:52 |
VanessaE |
the PIL is about as cryptic as it gets |
| 18:52 |
khonkhortisan |
:( I want an image in my forum signature |
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rotor112 |
hi |
| 18:53 |
MinetestBot |
hi rotor112 |
| 18:54 |
khonkhortisan |
MinetestBot, I do believe that "hi" was directed at Jeija |
| 18:54 |
rubenwardy |
hi barry |
| 18:55 |
khonkhortisan |
I'll just leave the [img] tag there and pretend people see it |
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thexyz |
VanessaE: http://lua-users.org/wiki/ColonForMethodCall |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: yet another site that goes off into lala land. javascript? "instance" methods? "class/factory" methods? blah! |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
This is not plain English, this is engineering gibberish :-) |
| 18:59 |
VanessaE |
either way, what I'm doing seems correct by definition and by usage. So :P |
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VanessaE |
it's how I do it in plantlife/plants_lib and it works exactly as desired there. |
| 19:02 |
VanessaE |
hey Jeija. |
| 19:02 |
Jeija |
Hey |
| 19:02 |
MinetestBot |
hi Jeija |
| 19:02 |
VanessaE |
morning Neko |
| 19:02 |
VadtecWk |
VanessaE, im glad yer here... |
| 19:02 |
VadtecWk |
need to ask you about moretrees |
| 19:03 |
VanessaE |
sure, shoot |
| 19:03 |
* NekoGloop |
punts a kitten in the general direction of MinetestBot |
| 19:03 |
VadtecWk |
how many rules can you have total? |
| 19:03 |
VanessaE |
four. |
| 19:03 |
VadtecWk |
oh...guess i better make some of these rules a bit bigger then |
| 19:03 |
rubenwardy |
It does not matter whether you use : or . |
| 19:03 |
rubenwardy |
if you do not use self in that function |
| 19:03 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: which I don't. |
| 19:03 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: wow, can't you read? |
| 19:03 |
thexyz |
o:test() -- method call. equivalent to o.test(o) |
| 19:03 |
thexyz |
o.test() -- regular function call. similar to just test() |
| 19:03 |
thexyz |
o.x = 5 -- field access |
| 19:04 |
rubenwardy |
(6:47:02 PM) rubenwardy: table:func(param) |
| 19:04 |
rubenwardy |
(6:47:02 PM) rubenwardy: is the same as |
| 19:04 |
rubenwardy |
(6:47:02 PM) rubenwardy: table.func(self,param) |
| 19:04 |
VadtecWk |
VanessaE, you dont have a tool that can draw these l-systems without having to load up MT do you? |
| 19:04 |
VadtecWk |
2d l-systems are fine |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: no need to get nasty - I can read just fine if the author dispenses with the gibberish *surrounding* the code |
| 19:04 |
VadtecWk |
but 3d ones are...a bitch in 2d |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
VadtecWk: someone just released an in-game L-systems editor actuall |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
actually* |
| 19:05 |
thexyz |
I have no idea.. |
| 19:05 |
thexyz |
what not to understand here http://www.lua.org/pil/16.html |
| 19:05 |
VanessaE |
jin_xi was who, actually. |
| 19:05 |
VadtecWk |
VanessaE, oh? any idea what its called? cause my google fu returned nothing probative |
| 19:05 |
thexyz |
really, pil is written in very simple language |
| 19:06 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69941#p69941 |
| 19:06 |
VanessaE |
it's on this page. |
| 19:06 |
rotor112 |
zipball/master archive/master.zip |
| 19:06 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: um. no, it isn't. |
| 19:06 |
rotor112 |
what are the differences? |
| 19:06 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: why? |
| 19:06 |
VanessaE |
I've read through the PIL and I find it incredibly cryptic |
| 19:06 |
VadtecWk |
VanessaE, thanks, ill dig around for it |
| 19:06 |
VanessaE |
VadtecWk: see that URL above. |
| 19:06 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, PIL is actually very clear |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
maybe for you guys it is. Not for me. |
| 19:07 |
VadtecWk |
VanessaE, yeah, looking now...and lo an behold...all i had to do was scroll down and boom there it is |
| 19:07 |
VadtecWk |
i feel silly now |
| 19:07 |
PilzAdam |
well, its a reference, not a tutorial |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
I can't read it at all. It makes too many assumptions about the skills of the coder |
| 19:07 |
PilzAdam |
what programming languages do you know? |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
and specifically the coder's experience with other languages and modern programming conventions. |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: Lua, Verilog, a very little bit of C, bash scripting, old classic BASIC, 6502 assembly. |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE |
in other words, oldskool. |
| 19:08 |
khonkhortisan |
"Like objects, tables have a state." |
| 19:08 |
* FreeFull |
looks |
| 19:09 |
FreeFull |
Functional programming is better than OO anyway |
| 19:09 |
VanessaE |
every time I go looking for some tidbit about Lua, if I run across the PIL I try to read it first, and then immediately I have to look elsewhere for something that makes sense. |
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rotor112 |
hi |
| 19:16 |
MinetestBot |
... |
| 19:16 |
rotor112 |
hi |
| 19:16 |
MinetestBot |
hi rotor112 |
| 19:16 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 19:16 |
MinetestBot |
hi VanessaE |
| 19:16 |
khonkhortisan |
hi rotor112 , VanessaE |
| 19:17 |
rotor112 |
hi |
| 19:17 |
MinetestBot |
hi rotor112 |
| 19:17 |
khonkhortisan |
:) |
| 19:17 |
khonkhortisan |
the bot is rather spammy |
| 19:18 |
sfan5 |
khonkhortisan: i just jave to type "!ai disable" |
| 19:18 |
sfan5 |
*have |
| 19:18 |
rotor112 |
!ai |
| 19:18 |
khonkhortisan |
it only works if sfan5 does it |
| 19:18 |
rotor112 |
ok |
| 19:18 |
rotor112 |
/hekp |
| 19:18 |
sfan5 |
there is no help command |
| 19:18 |
rotor112 |
/help |
| 19:19 |
khonkhortisan |
/hekp to you too |
| 19:19 |
sfan5 |
all commands begin with ! |
| 19:19 |
rotor112 |
look at status |
| 19:19 |
khonkhortisan |
there's a /help command for me |
| 19:19 |
* john_minetest |
puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head |
| 19:19 |
MinetestBot |
john_minetest: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens |
| 19:19 |
sfan5 |
but that command doesn't come from the bot |
| 19:19 |
* VanessaE |
puts NekoGloop on MinetestBot's head |
| 19:19 |
* john_minetest |
puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head |
| 19:19 |
* rotor112 |
puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head |
| 19:19 |
MinetestBot |
rotor112: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens |
| 19:19 |
* rotor112 |
puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head |
| 19:19 |
MinetestBot |
rotor112: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens |
| 19:19 |
* rotor112 |
puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head |
| 19:19 |
* rotor112 |
puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head |
| 19:19 |
MinetestBot |
rotor112: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens |
| 19:20 |
* NekoGloop |
flips all the tables |
| 19:20 |
* john_minetest |
puts a reward on rotor112's head ;) |
| 19:20 |
* rotor112 |
puts a kitten on +MinetestBot's head |
| 19:20 |
* john_minetest |
is afk now. |
| 19:20 |
* khonkhortisan |
puts MinetestBot on a kitten's head, which NekoGloop subsequently puts on someone else's head |
| 19:21 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot on a kitten's head o.O |
| 19:21 |
* rotor112 |
has a * |
| 19:21 |
* rotor112 |
puts a kitten on +MinetestBot's head |
| 19:21 |
sfan5 |
remove the + from MinetestBot |
| 19:21 |
* khonkhortisan |
| nasitrohknohk * |
| 19:21 |
* rotor112 |
/help |
| 19:22 |
khonkhortisan |
it's not google+ here |
| 19:22 |
* rotor112 |
/says sth |
| 19:22 |
khonkhortisan |
/say /say |
| 19:22 |
khonkhortisan |
nor #twitter |
| 19:22 |
rotor112 |
/join rotor |
| 19:23 |
rubenwardy |
!g !g |
| 19:23 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force |
| 19:23 |
rubenwardy |
!g !g !g !g !g |
| 19:23 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYJjHuRQkFc |
| 19:23 |
khonkhortisan |
Did you mean: "/join #rotor" ? |
| 19:23 |
sfan5 |
!ignore rotor112 |
| 19:23 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: 'rotor112' added to ignore list. |
| 19:24 |
rotor112 |
(corrected automatically). |
| 19:24 |
* rotor112 |
is now ignored |
| 19:25 |
rubenwardy |
can someone have a look at this code: https://github.com/rubenwardy/awards |
| 19:25 |
rubenwardy |
and work out why the /list_awards function is not working? |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
!unignore rotor112 |
| 19:25 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: 'rotor112' removed from ignore list. |
| 19:25 |
khonkhortisan |
sfan5, what happens if you !ignore yourself? Can you still control the bot? |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
!ignore sfan5 |
| 19:25 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: 'sfan5' added to ignore list. |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
hi MinetestBot |
| 19:25 |
MinetestBot |
Hey sfan5! |
| 19:25 |
khonkhortisan |
huh. |
| 19:25 |
khonkhortisan |
failsafe! |
| 19:26 |
khonkhortisan |
^quitspam |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
khonkhortisan: administrate functions are not affected by !ignore , also you can't let the bot ignore admins/owner anyway |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
!unignore sfan5 |
| 19:26 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: 'sfan5' removed from ignore list. |
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| 19:27 |
STHGOM |
did john_minetest say something before he became john_mt|afk? |
| 19:28 |
thexyz |
STHGOM: http://irc.minetest.ru/ |
| 19:28 |
STHGOM |
ok righ |
| 19:29 |
VadtecWk |
jin_xi, im looking at your mod for creating moretree l-systems...are the rules_* really out of order like in the screenshot? |
| 19:29 |
jin_xi |
yes |
| 19:30 |
VadtecWk |
any reason why other than thats just how it landed? |
| 19:30 |
jin_xi |
its because the formspec is generated by looping over a treedef. this does not care about order |
| 19:30 |
VadtecWk |
ah |
| 19:30 |
jin_xi |
could just write it out |
| 19:31 |
jin_xi |
would also minimize formspec interaction with other stuff |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
can someone have a look at this code: https://github.com/rubenwardy/awards |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
and work out why the /list_awards function is not working? |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
(ping: pilzAdam) |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
Basically, the code is printing values from a table which is like this: |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
{ |
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rubenwardy |
award_name = "award_name", |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
} |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
but print nothing |
| 19:31 |
PilzAdam |
pong |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
pung. |
| 19:32 |
STHGOM |
pang. |
| 19:32 |
VadtecWk |
peng |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
nope, already dealt with the pangs (eating popcorn) |
| 19:33 |
VadtecWk |
O.o |
| 19:33 |
MinetestBot |
VadtecWk: What are you wondering about? |
| 19:33 |
jin_xi |
blah blah kitten somehting! |
| 19:33 |
STHGOM |
poon |
| 19:33 |
STHGOM |
mew |
| 19:33 |
VadtecWk |
MinetestBot, suck a small one |
| 19:33 |
STHGOM |
meoooOOOOOOoooow |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
STHGOM: there is no poon. it is only you that bends. |
| 19:34 |
STHGOM |
hmm... |
| 19:34 |
STHGOM |
what? |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
that was a reference to The Matrix |
| 19:34 |
STHGOM |
poun |
| 19:35 |
STHGOM |
I don't even know what I am doing :D |
| 19:35 |
* rubenwardy |
watched The Matrix trilogy the other day... |
| 19:35 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, maybe try: for _, str in pairs(player_data[name].unlocked) do; print(str); end |
| 19:36 |
PilzAdam |
(if the string in the [] is static Id prefer to use a . ) |
| 19:37 |
* rubenwardy |
sends a virtual hug to PilzAdam |
| 19:37 |
rubenwardy |
thank you very much :D |
| 19:37 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, the problem is that you dont index the table by integers but by strings |
| 19:37 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 19:37 |
rubenwardy |
hashes |
| 19:38 |
rubenwardy |
I added the give_achievement function |
| 19:38 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/rubenwardy/awards/blob/master/init.lua#L48 |
| 19:38 |
rubenwardy |
how do you get the path to the current world? |
| 19:39 |
rubenwardy |
get_worldpath |
| 19:39 |
rubenwardy |
never mind |
| 19:39 |
PilzAdam |
minetest.get_worldpath() |
| 19:39 |
rubenwardy |
dev.minetest.net is very usefull |
| 19:40 |
PilzAdam |
even more useful: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
| 19:40 |
PilzAdam |
with Ctrl + F |
| 19:40 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: you do know you can click on the line number to get a direct link to that line, right? |
| 19:41 |
PilzAdam |
it was a general link to this document |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
I know, and people hate when others do that. |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
don't point to the document - point to the line within it. |
| 19:41 |
PilzAdam |
yea, I do this if a specific method is needed |
| 19:42 |
PilzAdam |
but in this case i just wanted to point out that I use this instead of dev.minetest.net |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
same here actually. |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
(I find the wiki somewhat less useful because it's harder to search) |
| 19:42 |
VadtecWk |
jin_xi, when I click OK in the treegen editor, all I get is debugging text in the console but no blocks are placed on the map |
| 19:42 |
PilzAdam |
dev.minetest.net is just incomplete and too slow |
| 19:43 |
VadtecWk |
oh wait... |
| 19:43 |
VadtecWk |
left click |
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| 19:43 |
VadtecWk |
durka durka |
| 19:43 |
jin_xi |
VadtecWk: point the stick to where you want the tree to grow and click (left) |
| 19:44 |
VadtecWk |
jin_xi yea...im a moron |
| 19:44 |
jin_xi |
no problem... me too ;) |
| 19:45 |
thexyz |
but wiki has (better) examples |
| 19:45 |
jin_xi |
i think it would be super if there were simple example mods using good coding style |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
+1 |
| 19:46 |
PilzAdam |
60% of the examples there are written by me |
| 19:47 |
rubenwardy |
PilzAdam: the code for serialization you gave me has a bug: it should be io.open instead of io:open |
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| 19:47 |
rubenwardy |
you get "calling `open' on bad self (string expected, got table)" if you use io:open |
| 19:47 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: lol |
| 19:47 |
rubenwardy |
^^ |
| 19:47 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, I really dont want to add "untested" to all my code snippets |
| 19:48 |
VanessaE |
kind of fitting you should point out that issue after our little...discussion ;-) |
| 19:48 |
PilzAdam |
but just imagine that it is there ;-) |
| 19:48 |
VanessaE |
never ever put untested code in an example! |
| 19:48 |
PilzAdam |
that wasnt an example |
| 19:48 |
PilzAdam |
it was an old gist |
| 19:48 |
* rotor112 |
uses middle mouseclick to craft 10x so fast |
| 19:49 |
rubenwardy |
very close to getting almost no help responses: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lua+%22calling+open+on+bad+self%22&hl=en&safe=active&client=firefox-a&hs=qbK&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&filter=0&biw=1366&bih=614 |
| 19:49 |
PilzAdam |
"You know sometimes it feels like you should be, a Moderator." ( Likwid H-Craft in a PM) |
| 19:49 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, you should be |
| 19:49 |
thexyz |
by the way, jin_xi, what do you think about https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress ? |
| 19:49 |
PilzAdam |
this guy is spamming me with PMs |
| 19:49 |
rubenwardy |
thexyz: you can tell what I think. I starred that repo |
| 19:50 |
rubenwardy |
:P |
| 19:50 |
thexyz |
great |
| 19:50 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, have you starred Torvalds/Linux ? |
| 19:50 |
rubenwardy |
what... |
| 19:50 |
rubenwardy |
How often should I serialize the table? |
| 19:50 |
PilzAdam |
10 times ;-) |
| 19:50 |
rubenwardy |
If there a minetest.register_on_save() |
| 19:51 |
PilzAdam |
save it everytime the table is changed |
| 19:51 |
PilzAdam |
and in register_on_shutdown() |
| 19:51 |
thexyz |
oh, also, VanessaE, I hope that "stress" will make things easier to code |
| 19:52 |
VanessaE |
what is that for anyway? |
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| 19:52 |
jin_xi |
thexyz: idk never used jQuery. stress code looks more complicated to me right now |
| 19:52 |
VadtecWk |
jin_xi, is there a way to keep it from generating leaves? I want to work on the branches/limbs without leaves |
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* VanessaE |
reads.. |
| 19:53 |
STHGOM |
bye |
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| 19:53 |
jin_xi |
VadtecWk: use T instead of F or f. should place trunks only |
| 19:54 |
VadtecWk |
jin_xi, oh...durka durka, i was thinking i could use default:air for the leaves lol |
| 19:54 |
VadtecWk |
i need sleep |
| 19:54 |
VadtecWk |
and its only 1400 |
| 19:54 |
VadtecWk |
besides...where i have the F is totally wrong anyways |
| 19:54 |
VadtecWk |
lol |
| 19:55 |
jin_xi |
using default:steelblock for trunk and default:mese for leaves makes nice golden trees |
| 19:55 |
rotor112 |
There are 2 letters: "r" |
| 19:55 |
rotor112 |
Here the invisible one: "" |
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| 20:03 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: to simplify everything |
| 20:03 |
rubenwardy |
jQuery is awesome |
| 20:03 |
rubenwardy |
therefore stress will be awesome |
| 20:04 |
* rubenwardy |
loves logic |
| 20:04 |
rubenwardy |
Isnt crafting lua? |
| 20:04 |
PilzAdam |
no |
| 20:04 |
rubenwardy |
as in, in builtin? |
| 20:04 |
rubenwardy |
oh |
| 20:05 |
rubenwardy |
thought it would be |
| 20:08 |
proller |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/482 - want to merge, demo server on h4.setun.net:30000 |
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| 20:11 |
jin_xi |
proller: what to do to see the changes? |
| 20:11 |
PilzAdam |
proller, isnt this abm in content_abm.cpp _very_ hacky? |
| 20:11 |
proller |
not very |
| 20:11 |
proller |
jin_xi, liquids |
| 20:11 |
jin_xi |
oh i see |
| 20:11 |
PilzAdam |
I mean, the engine doesnt know the names of the liquids |
| 20:12 |
PilzAdam |
water_flowing and lava_flowing might not exists in other games |
| 20:13 |
proller |
rubenwardy, try water and lava spring, but not very high |
| 20:14 |
Jordach |
okay. a long time windows xp user now converted to linux. |
| 20:14 |
proller |
PilzAdam, content_abm.cpp may be not used, but sometimes will be "frozen" flows |
| 20:14 |
proller |
after unloading/loading blocks |
| 20:14 |
PilzAdam |
it would be better if you really fix this problem |
| 20:15 |
PilzAdam |
and not just add a hack as a workaround |
| 20:15 |
rubenwardy |
very nice, proller |
| 20:15 |
rubenwardy |
but a problem: the nodeboxes go out of bounds |
| 20:15 |
rubenwardy |
http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/finitewater_glitch.png |
| 20:15 |
rubenwardy |
the bottom bit of it goes into the block below it |
| 20:15 |
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rubenwardy |
(the tree) |
| 20:15 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, this is normal behaviour of water with shaders |
| 20:15 |
proller |
rubenwardy, but it current master bug |
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| 20:16 |
rubenwardy |
ok |
| 20:16 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 20:16 |
rubenwardy |
just checking that you knew |
| 20:16 |
proller |
PilzAdam, there is something like.. https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/426 |
| 20:18 |
PilzAdam |
maybe make a second branch based on that and add your finite liquid |
| 20:18 |
PilzAdam |
to see if it works with it too |
| 20:24 |
proller |
i dislike way with saving m_liquid_update_pending - it can be very big, after fast flying around map |
| 20:25 |
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| 20:26 |
proller |
it will use more cpu and memory to checks |
| 20:35 |
proller |
PilzAdam, maybe check all materials and construct abm with all liquid_alternative_flowing ? |
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| 20:46 |
PilzAdam |
dunno |
| 20:49 |
proller |
and i want lo later make erosion in this abm |
| 20:50 |
PilzAdam |
this should be done in minetest_game |
| 20:51 |
proller |
ok |
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| 21:31 |
Kacey |
hi all |
| 21:31 |
MinetestBot |
hi Kacey |
| 21:31 |
Kacey |
no MinetestBot NO |
| 21:31 |
Kacey |
oops caps lock |
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* VanessaE |
pokes jordan4ibanez |
| 21:37 |
Kacey |
he's back? |
| 21:37 |
jordan4ibanez |
Ohai lol |
| 21:37 |
Kacey |
do my eyes decieve me? |
| 21:37 |
* jordan4ibanez |
hugs VanessaE |
| 21:37 |
PilzAdam |
hey jordan4ibanez :-) |
| 21:37 |
MinetestBot |
jordan4ibanez: :D |
| 21:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
Hi Pilzadam, hi MinetestBot lol |
| 21:38 |
Kacey |
watch now cornernote hops on... |
| 21:38 |
VanessaE |
doubt it |
| 21:39 |
jordan4ibanez |
The irc mod doesn't work |
| 21:39 |
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| 21:40 |
jordan4ibanez |
I get "Some acception: Access Violation" |
| 21:40 |
Kacey |
idk then |
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| 21:42 |
Kacey |
did you compile it? |
| 21:42 |
Kacey |
nvm kaeza does that anyway |
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| 21:43 |
* Kacey |
cannot wait till tomorrow |
| 21:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
Why kacey? |
| 21:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
And I have found the most over dramatic video http://youtu.be/5L7N8Z7_u4Y |
| 21:52 |
Kacey |
rba is releasing a computer with FORTH onboard for MT |
| 21:52 |
Kacey |
KipKay |
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| 21:53 |
jordan4ibanez |
Wait what? |
| 21:53 |
jordan4ibanez |
A computer mod? |
| 21:54 |
Kacey |
yep |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
You dawg, I heard you like........ |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
no, I won't do it. |
| 21:54 |
Kacey |
with a working computer |
| 21:55 |
Kacey |
Yo dawg, I heard you like computers so I made a computer in a game that you can play on a computer |
| 21:56 |
Kacey |
or something like that |
| 21:57 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 21:59 |
ShadowNinja |
lol |
| 22:00 |
Kacey |
lol |
| 22:02 |
NekoGloop |
Is it bad that I've only seen a blue screen once, and it was on a television at school? |
| 22:03 |
thexyz |
yes |
| 22:03 |
thexyz |
your windows is borked |
| 22:04 |
thexyz |
windows should do blue screens |
| 22:04 |
thexyz |
that's natural |
| 22:05 |
Kacey |
"windows has detected a problem..." ya the problem name is "windows" |
| 22:09 |
NekoGloop |
And i've never *not* used windows for the 8-9 years I've used a computer, never had one. |
| 22:09 |
NekoGloop |
Granted, my computer ITSELF has had its share of failures (like forgetting where the hard drive is) |
| 22:14 |
jordan4ibanez |
Does the computer have a monitor? |
| 22:16 |
jordan4ibanez |
Note: When right clicking nodes with On_rightclick with a node wielded, the client should do on_rightclick before placenode |
| 22:18 |
NekoGloop |
Also the hotbar should be the bottom slots in the inventory so that the game doesn't flood my hotbar. |
| 22:20 |
thexyz |
also the name should be minecraft because minetest sounds lame |
| 22:21 |
mr0wl |
hey guys |
| 22:21 |
MinetestBot |
hi mr0wl |
| 22:21 |
NekoGloop |
And apparently I'm not allowed to make a reasonable arguement |
| 22:21 |
thexyz |
why not? |
| 22:21 |
Kacey |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pyrTM_aZQI rba is basing off of the computer in this MC mod |
| 22:22 |
NekoGloop |
Because you think you're god, like the rest of the developers. |
| 22:22 |
thexyz |
maybe, but I don't get how's that related |
| 22:22 |
NekoGloop |
So your perfect little world can't be influenced by the outside. |
| 22:23 |
thexyz |
nah, stop trolling and say what you were going to say |
| 22:23 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=72048#p72048 <- wtf? empty post? |
| 22:23 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: not empty, but [color=white][/color] |
| 22:24 |
thexyz |
the next one is [color=white]hi[/color] |
| 22:25 |
NekoGloop |
Not only will that make the hotbar primarily have what we want to have in it, the hotbar is displayed at the bottom of the screen. So the bottom slots in the inventory should be the hotbar. |
| 22:26 |
PilzAdam |
NekoGloop, what about new users? if they dont see the node they dugged in their hand they wont understand what to do next |
| 22:26 |
thexyz |
the problem is that most players are already used to this hotbar placement |
| 22:26 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: that's not related at all |
| 22:26 |
NekoGloop |
Config option, then. |
| 22:26 |
mr0wl |
what are some good getting started minetest tutorials? |
| 22:26 |
thexyz |
what will stop them from seeing the node they dug? |
| 22:27 |
PilzAdam |
I understand NekoGloop's suggestion that he doesnt want to get dugged nodes directly into the hotbar |
| 22:28 |
NekoGloop |
Or, at least, to not go to the slot that is currently selected. |
| 22:28 |
NekoGloop |
(perhaps) |
| 22:28 |
NekoGloop |
Was it a period that caused minetest to ignore a mod? |
| 22:29 |
thexyz |
oh |
| 22:32 |
NekoGloop |
So, hey, VanessaE, did you ever make the tabletops in homedecor be solid properly? ; |
| 22:32 |
NekoGloop |
;)* |
| 22:47 |
VadtecWk |
VanessaE, if yer active, check yer PM |
| 22:49 |
NekoGloop |
WHERE IS PIPEWORKS D:< |
| 22:51 |
NekoGloop |
Wait, do pipeworks actually DO STUFF NOW?! |
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sapier1 |
anyone interested in alphatesting a pathfinding algorithm for minetest? |
| 22:56 |
Kacey |
craft_guide not working :( |
| 22:57 |
jin_xi |
sapier: yes i'll test |
| 22:57 |
sapier |
I need a testcase first ;-) currently I've got a pathfind algorithm but no use for it |
| 22:58 |
NekoGloop |
That's enough of downloading mods for MT. |
| 22:58 |
sapier |
most likely this has to be transformed to c++ to work for big maps ... currently it seems to work fine in lua only wich is somehow strange |
| 22:58 |
NekoGloop |
Back to FF7. |
| 22:58 |
MinetestBot |
NekoGloop: Welcome back! |
| 22:58 |
NekoGloop |
this ^ |
| 22:59 |
* Kacey |
wants a working craft guide |
| 23:00 |
sapier |
Jin_xi do you have lua_sockets installed? |
| 23:01 |
* john_minetest |
puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head. |
| 23:01 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 23:04 |
mauvebic |
why isnt the crafting guide working? |
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| 23:04 |
Kacey |
idk it only shows 1 crafting recipe |
| 23:05 |
mauvebic |
weird lol youd think it would show all or none |
| 23:10 |
Kacey |
my own server is lagging. sad |
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| 23:12 |
Kacey |
LAAG! |
| 23:12 |
Menche |
? |
| 23:13 |
Kacey |
my server is lagging |
| 23:13 |
Kacey |
10 ways of sunday |
| 23:14 |
* NekoGloop |
puts a kitten on Menche's head |
| 23:14 |
jin_xi |
sapier: no |
| 23:14 |
* Menche |
puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head |
| 23:14 |
MinetestBot |
Menche: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens |
| 23:15 |
Menche |
only 2 people are using servers.minetest.net |
| 23:16 |
sapier |
hmm not best way to test ... I think I'll do some performance tests before releasing this alpha version of pathfinder |
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sfan5 |
!server |
| 23:20 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: [0.4.3] LAD's creative server 24/7 | minetest.org:30006 up (98.474%) |
| 23:20 |
Kacey |
!server |
| 23:20 |
MinetestBot |
Kacey: [0.4.3] LAD's creative server 24/7 | minetest.org:30006 up (98.474%) |
| 23:21 |
sfan5 |
!server |
| 23:21 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: LPGC Minetest Server | games.libreplanet.org:30000 up (95.517%) |
| 23:21 |
* Kacey |
wants his server to lag less |
| 23:23 |
Kacey |
GOD DAMNIT!!!!! |
| 23:24 |
Kacey |
this lag is unbearable... |
| 23:27 |
Kacey |
this is horrible... |
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| 23:29 |
Kacey |
30 second lag onmy own computer... |
| 23:30 |
Menche |
try using celeron's server performance settings? |
| 23:30 |
Kacey |
its only me |
| 23:30 |
Kacey |
i dont usually get this lag, even on my mesecons server... |
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| 23:31 |
sapier |
Ooops ... 9.5s to find a path in in a 25*35 area :-/ ... dijkstra is obviously not working from lua :-) |
| 23:32 |
Kacey |
lag was unbearable... |
| 23:33 |
Kacey |
Menche, can you add just rats? |
| 23:34 |
sapier |
rats? |
| 23:35 |
Menche |
people were complaining about the mobs lagging |
| 23:35 |
sapier |
I wonder why mobs are always blamed for slow servers ;-) |
| 23:35 |
Kacey |
rats wont lag |
| 23:36 |
Kacey |
you would think |
| 23:36 |
sapier |
I was wondering if rats are even spawned anymore I haven't seen one for a long time |
| 23:36 |
Kacey |
as high profile as the transport station is, it would be griefed |
| 23:40 |
Menche |
hit 1.0 hours on the server list :) |
| 23:40 |
sapier |
add this https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/431 and mobs will work almost flawless |
| 23:40 |
Kacey |
i found it using the server list in client |
| 23:41 |
Menche |
talking about servers.minetest.net |
| 23:41 |
Menche |
only 2 servers listed :/ |
| 23:46 |
mr0wl |
who does minetest.com belong to? |
| 23:47 |
Menche |
someone named "saxony" |
| 23:47 |
Menche |
it's been inactive for a while |
| 23:48 |
sapier |
guys I can't validate mobs causing lag ... I've got about 2% additional cpu load due to mobs (calculating time via luasocket) |
| 23:49 |
mr0wl |
is he part of the community? |
| 23:49 |
Menche |
saxony? he's on the forums |
| 23:50 |
Menche |
don't think he's been active for a while |
| 23:50 |
mr0wl |
so why doesn't he hand it over to someone |
| 23:53 |
Vadtec |
yay! the morons at my ISP finally fixed my inet after the "snow storm" that "supposedly" knocked it off line |
| 23:53 |
Vadtec |
actually...they effed up and unhooked the wrong stuff, cause my bill is paid in advance and they were dicking with it wednesday night |
| 23:55 |
mauvebic |
thats why i dont sign up for automatic payments lol |
| 23:55 |
Vadtec |
i dont either |
| 23:55 |
Vadtec |
but its paid in advance |
| 23:56 |
Vadtec |
i hate paying shit monthly |
| 23:56 |
Vadtec |
so i usually pay in 3 or 6 mo blocks |
| 23:56 |
Vadtec |
so much easier on the accounting |
| 23:57 |
mauvebic |
meh, its important that i get service when i need it lol they dont have to care too much if you're all payed up for 1yr/ half a year |
| 23:58 |
Vadtec |
cept they have a local branch, and ive gone in on more than one occasion to get ahold of their bosses bosses boss |
| 23:58 |
Vadtec |
i pay for my service |
| 23:58 |
Vadtec |
i expect it to be up |
| 23:58 |
Vadtec |
if its not |
| 23:58 |
Vadtec |
they gonna hear about it |
| 23:58 |
Vadtec |
in person |
| 23:58 |
Vadtec |
:P |
| 23:59 |
mauvebic |
true but if you have to go down in person to get what you paid for, theyre prolly not all that competent at their jobs :op |
| 23:59 |
Vadtec |
not the idiot they had out here on wednesday, he always screws shit up |
