Time Nick Message 00:30 * Kacey has a bone to pick with jo joa1997 01:08 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-wbOlWa-gk i waant one 01:08 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vaGhwNA/SMBGEscreen4.PNG Checkpoints in said project 01:19 Kacey hi ShadowNinja 01:19 ShadowNinja hi 01:19 Kacey i had to replant alot of stuff 01:20 Kacey !up menche.servegame.com 01:20 MinetestBot menche.servegame.com:30000 is up (1.375ms) 01:22 MiJyn !up google.com 01:22 MinetestBot google.com:30000 seems to be down 01:22 MiJyn oh no :( 01:23 MiJyn ah, I know... 01:23 sapier no minetest server at google.com what a pitty 01:23 MiJyn !up minetest.google.com 01:23 MinetestBot minetest.google.com:30000 seems to be down 01:23 MiJyn dang 01:24 MiJyn yeah, well, that server was not amazing anyways... I always had to literally search for my nodes :/ 02:30 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaGhwcg/screenshot_3858520794.png my wheat farm 02:33 Kacey is it possible to grow papyrus? 02:36 khonkhortisan There must be a mod for it 02:37 khonkhortisan I'd expect you to need rows of water through the rows of papyrus 02:37 bas080 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Screenshot%20-%2002172013%20-%2003%3A36%3A29%20AM.png 02:37 khonkhortisan chemistry? 02:37 bas080 yes 02:38 bas080 "actual size" chemistry 02:38 khonkhortisan it looks like that only makes one water node 02:39 bas080 Or many water molecules 02:39 bas080 Not technically speaking 02:39 khonkhortisan What does it do if there isn't a node for that chemical? 02:40 bas080 it doesn't react 02:40 bas080 So you have to know the crafts for the reactions 02:40 bas080 But there is also an extractor. 02:40 bas080 This can change nodes into chemical crafts. 02:40 bas080 That way you can "mine" for chemicals 02:42 khonkhortisan moreores is missing some nodes it has items for 02:42 bas080 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Screenshot%20-%2002172013%20-%2003%3A42%3A24%20AM.png <<< example of extractor :P 02:43 bas080 the arrow turned around 02:45 Kacey can you grow papyrus? 02:49 sokomine kacey: yes. with the right mod. the nature_packs have growing papyrus 02:49 Kacey so not by default? 02:49 Kacey or with farming/farming_plus 02:49 khonkhortisan All you can grow by default is trees 02:51 sokomine skyblock has growing papyrus and cactus as well 02:52 thexyz oh damn 02:52 Kacey uugh so my papyrus farm was in vain? 02:53 thexyz TForsman: what's your locale? 02:54 thexyz moreover, how do you write decimal fractions in your country? 02:54 sokomine depends on the server. if it's yours you can add a mod that let it grow 02:55 thexyz I guess the problem is that you use "," as decimal separator 02:56 Kacey Menche hi 02:56 Menche hello 02:56 Kacey i have a mod request for you to add 02:57 Kacey growing_papyrus 02:57 khonkhortisan make it need nearby water 02:57 Menche is there one that makes cactus grow as well? there used to be 02:58 Menche something for VanessaE to add to plantlife? 02:58 Kacey farming or something adds cactus growing 02:58 Kacey i know because i am growing cactus now 02:58 sokomine the same mods that let papyrus grow usually let cactus grow as well 02:59 Menche oh so it does grow? 02:59 sokomine with a mod, yes 02:59 Kacey cactus does grow, yes 02:59 Kacey on desert sand 02:59 Menche but papyrus doesn't? 03:00 sokomine ought to be part of default 03:00 sokomine entire landscapes on redcrabs server have been depleted of papyrus :-( 03:01 khonkhortisan gameboom has little papyrus, and trees don't regrow either 03:01 Kacey see Menche growing_papyrus would help alot 03:03 Kacey PAPYRUS HEAVEN!!!!!!! 03:07 khonkhortisan Papyrus curtains and privacy wall and doorways 03:07 Kacey koalabear has protected half of city hall 03:24 telek There's no longer noclipping? 03:25 Menche it has to be enabled 03:25 khonkhortisan there's a button for it now 03:25 Kacey i made papyrus grow ^_^ 03:25 telek IS there a hotkey as well? 03:25 khonkhortisan You have to leave the server to change the button to noclip 03:25 telek And is it server or client-side? 03:25 telek Oh 03:25 telek So it's a config file option then. 03:25 khonkhortisan There's also double-jump to fly 03:26 Menche i believe it is h? 03:26 telek Ahh ok 03:26 Menche yes 03:26 khonkhortisan I don't use the default keys, I wouldn't be able to tell you 03:26 Menche and requires a priv i believe 03:26 telek No there isn't a priv for it :D 03:26 khonkhortisan yes, you have to redo /grant singleplayer all 03:26 telek Ohh 03:26 telek It does have one, that error message is confusing 03:28 khonkhortisan privs fast fly worldedit server teleport settime bring interact password loadmod rollback shout basic_privs noclip ban give 03:29 telek ... 03:29 telek There's in-game mod loading now? 03:29 khonkhortisan that one might by mine 03:29 Menche don't think so 03:30 khonkhortisan yeah, that's my attempt at a mod-loading mod 03:30 telek Ahh ok :D 03:30 MiJyn is it possible to have collision detection? 03:30 MiJyn or gravity for nodes? 03:33 telek MiJyn: I'm not sure if the former is implemented (I assume you mean for pcs/npcs), and the latter I'm sure isn't implemented, but certainly could bne. 03:45 Kacey im growing papyrus ^_^ 03:51 sokomine how do i get a players position from withhin a chat command? 03:52 Kacey now if i could only get junglegrass to grow 03:53 Menche i think small junglegrass will grow to larger 03:53 Menche but they all drop full-size grass 03:53 Kacey i need to force it to spawn almost 03:54 sokomine depends on the server i think 03:55 sokomine ok...found out hwo 03:56 Kacey junglegrass liked to grow on top of cactus earlier... 03:56 sokomine it sometimes does. as with papyrus you need a mod that adds it 03:56 * Menche misses the old 0.3.x jungles 03:57 Kacey no i am growing papyrus now without a mod ^_^ 03:57 * Menche would still play 0.3.2, but it won't build with the latest irrlicht 03:59 sokomine if you like jungles take bas' jungletree mod or the moretrees from vanessa. those trees are very decorative 03:59 Menche the old 0.3 jungles were better :( 04:01 Kacey my plan worked ^_^ 04:17 Gambit1 hi 04:24 Dogzilla131 Hi all 04:24 Gambit1 hi 04:24 Gambit1 you 04:24 Gambit1 i'm the new gambit 04:24 Gambit1 the better one 04:27 Dogzilla131 ? 04:39 MiJyn telek, I know its implemented for entities, but also for nodes?? 04:56 Kacey back 04:56 Kacey hi all 04:58 Dogzilla131 hi 04:59 Gambit1 hi 04:59 Gambit1 heya 05:04 Kacey why the 1? 05:04 Gambit1 cuz 05:04 Gambit1 i'm number one 05:07 Vadtec i just setup minetest on my local ubuntu 12.04 VPS, and when I connect, the screen gets to "waiting content" "item defs" "node defs" and just hangs 05:07 Vadtec from my windows client that is 05:08 Vadtec am i missing something? 05:09 Vadtec well, i say hangs, it just never downloads anything 05:12 Vadtec anyone active? 05:12 Kacey no 05:12 Vadtec i knew it! 05:12 Gambit1 no 05:13 Gambit1 i'm working on my texture pack 05:13 Gambit1 that's why 05:13 Vadtec im trying to figure out why my win client wont connect to my minetest ubuntu vps 05:13 Vadtec not having much luck atm 05:14 Vadtec i can see my client connect in the server log 05:14 Vadtec but thats it 05:19 bas080 I'm stuck at a certain place in the chemistry mod. Pls help https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4970296 <<< Line 174 05:19 bas080 Pls help 05:24 Vadtec guess no one active atm has any info on my issue, and my google fu is failing me 05:24 * Vadtec sighs 05:24 Gambit1 me here 05:24 Gambit1 but busy with tp 05:24 Gambit1 sorry 05:25 Vadtec its all good 05:25 Vadtec i wont go bash it just yet 05:25 Vadtec lol 05:26 Kacey print(reaction[1]) 05:26 Kacey that the error? 05:26 bas080 yes 05:27 Kacey what does the error say? 05:27 bas080 basic_string::_S_construct null not valid 05:27 Kacey print(reaction1) 05:27 Kacey try that 05:28 bas080 same error 05:28 Kacey hmm... 05:28 Kacey then delete the line 05:29 bas080 then it works perfectly 05:29 Kacey lol 05:29 Kacey uneeded really 05:29 bas080 Well, i don't get errors but functionality is missing 05:31 Kacey what is the purpose of that line? 05:31 bas080 Maybe this can be done easier. I basicly have this register_reaction function in which you can save a "craft" array in a big crafts array. 05:32 bas080 The loop with line that gives the error should help checking if the craft is similar to nodes placed in the world 05:33 bas080 The reactor node checks ones placed if craft is "similar" to nodes next to node (chemistry:reactor) 05:34 Kacey can i have a link to it? 05:34 Kacey the whole mod? 05:34 bas080 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4970296 <<< this is complete code 05:34 bas080 init.lua 05:34 bas080 i can make git develop branch 05:34 bas080 on it 05:35 Kacey i need the whole mod 05:37 Vadtec meh, ive tried everything i know to do at this point...ill revisit this in a few hrs 05:37 Vadtec i need sleep 05:39 Kacey bas080, make an actual git of this 05:39 bas080 https://github.com/bas080/chemistry/tree/development 05:42 Kacey now how do i get this to work? 05:43 bas080 giveme chemistry:H 20 05:43 bas080 giveme chemistry:O 20 05:43 bas080 and place stuff in this way 05:43 bas080 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Screenshot%20-%2002172013%20-%2003%3A36%3A29%20AM.png 05:44 Kacey i have creative 05:44 bas080 except make H 2 high 05:44 bas080 so you end up with 2x2 of H 05:44 Kacey extractor doesnt work yet 05:44 bas080 no! 05:45 bas080 that is the thing that i'm trying to get started atm 05:45 Kacey aah 05:45 bas080 the reactor actually 05:45 Kacey well yours worked but mine didnt 05:46 bas080 But i can't read from the chemistry.reactions table like this > chemistry.reactions[1][1] 05:46 bas080 line 174 05:47 Kacey i cant seem to get this to work... 05:48 bas080 I have been struggling with this for over an hour 05:48 Kacey i cant turn those into a water source 05:48 bas080 Because the code is flawed. 05:49 Kacey aaw :( 05:49 bas080 The screenshot was is a mock-up 05:49 Kacey lol 05:49 bas080 Do you get an error? 05:49 Kacey im off to bed night 05:49 bas080 Bye Kacey 05:49 bas080 Thnx anyways 05:55 bas080 i got it working... not sure how. but now it works. 05:58 Gambit1 it's called luck 06:01 MiJyn bye all 07:16 TForsman thexyz: my locale is sv_SE in laptop, if it's that locale you mean. 07:17 TForsman thexyz: but using at the moment in ~/.bashrc export LANGUAGE="en_AU:en_GB:en" 07:56 sfan5 hi MinetestBot 07:56 MinetestBot Hello sfan5! 09:38 RealBadAngel hi Calinou 09:41 Calinou hi 09:41 * Calinou is backing up his stuff to his external HDD 09:41 Calinou yey, TF2 install uses 12GB 09:42 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/zLh5rsr.jpg 09:43 RealBadAngel take a look, ONE node and screwdriver in action :) 09:44 RealBadAngel i finished 6d facedir for meshes about hour ago, now im testing 6d for nodeboxes 09:46 Calinou now our engine is more powerful than crysis 4's 10:11 RealBadAngel if somebody wanna check new facedir in action: http://realbadangel.pl/facedirtools.zip tools to rotate nodes, and game sources: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest 10:12 RealBadAngel github sources doesnt contain nodebox rotations yet, just regular facedir nodes 10:16 berome RealBadAngel: hello ; do you mean paramtype2="facedir" won't work when minetest 0.4.5 will be out ? 10:17 RealBadAngel of course it will 10:17 berome oh sorry :-) 10:17 RealBadAngel new one is fully compatible with old one 10:17 berome ok nice work 10:17 RealBadAngel old facedir is just one case (y+) of new one 10:20 berome hmm ? Sorry, I don't really understand. I made a really simple mod around organisation of 6 differents tiles with facedir 10:20 berome it aims to help people who start and are not easy with coding 10:20 berome that's why I asked you that 10:23 RealBadAngel http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=70867 10:26 RealBadAngel read the topic and try the modifications 10:27 berome you created one more feature, "on top" of "traditional" facedir, wich stay unchanged; I hope I had it now :-) 10:28 RealBadAngel i extended it in fact 10:29 RealBadAngel to what it should be from the start 10:29 RealBadAngel so no need anymore to create multiple nodes for one object 10:30 berome yes I read yesterday improvements of FPS it occurs 10:33 RealBadAngel not much but a few FPS here, few there... 10:40 berome heh, personnaly I used to play on servers around 12 FPS, with little range of view, so 1 FPS is one FPS :-) 10:48 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:48 berome hi ! 10:52 * berome need to cook, or to eat will return a nill value ... 10:53 jin_xi lol, hi. wow, with 24 facedirs, does that mean i can now hang up paintings upside-down? 10:55 RealBadAngel hi 10:55 RealBadAngel just try it :) 10:56 RealBadAngel im gonna push initial nodebox rotation in a while 10:56 RealBadAngel i got rotation code ready, but need to fix old nodebox bug with order of coords 10:57 jin_xi nice 11:40 Jordach morning all 11:40 Jordach hey OldCoder 11:40 Jordach (if youre about) 11:46 OldCoder 11:47 OldCoder Jordach, I am about... but preoccupied. Will check here periodically. 11:47 Jordach oh ok. just wondering if youre alright 11:47 OldCoder no 11:47 Jordach you've just been quiet thats all 12:05 OldCoder Jordach, yes 12:05 Jordach anyways, i'm working on a challenge 12:10 Jordach MS Paint Palette Comp GO! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=70883#p70883 12:19 Jordach o hai Jeija 12:20 Jeija Hi Jordach 12:21 PilzAdam Jeija, episode 17.2 is out 12:24 Jordach PilzAdam, i have a competition going, feel free to enter! 12:25 RealBadAngel ive updated screwdriver in facedirtools 12:25 RealBadAngel its much more handy now to rotate nodes 12:28 PilzAdam Jordach, actually one texture is also a TP; you should add the rule to support all default textures or so 12:28 Jordach PilzAdam, kay 12:33 * Jordach pokes VanessaE 12:47 Jeija Are there any volunteers for testing the luacontroller in mesecons? 12:48 * sfan5 12:49 sfan5 anyone here who plays minecraft classic? 12:49 Jordach yessssssssssssssssss 12:50 sfan5 you? 12:50 Jordach mhm 12:50 Jordach why? 12:50 sfan5 because http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=70882#p70882 12:50 Jeija @sfan5 and other testers 12:50 Jeija 1) Use this branch https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/tree/luacontroller 12:50 Jeija 2) Read this http://mesecons.net/luacontroller/ and try your own things 12:50 Jeija 3) Tell me your testing results :) 12:51 Jordach sfan5, you fuckin genius 12:51 sfan5 :D 12:52 Jordach sfan5, at least making PVP buildings is a lot easier now 12:52 Jordach (mc classic is good too!) 12:52 Jordach sfan5, feel free to enter my comp 12:53 sfan5 Jordach: my program has a special feature: it converts tnt to doors :D 12:53 Jordach o.o 12:53 sfan5 Jordach: how do you know that i'm looking at you competiton thread D: 12:53 Jordach sfan5, because ctcp sfan5 screenwatch 12:53 Jordach :P 12:54 Jordach im creating my own pack to show you how colour can be used 13:01 * Jordach hates using too much detail with too little colours 13:09 Jordach hey AspireMint 13:09 AspireMint Hello :] 13:10 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest updated git with 6d rotations for nodeboxes too 13:10 rubenwardy hi all 13:10 RealBadAngel hi 13:10 Jordach RealBadAngel, dont you mean 3d rotations 13:10 RealBadAngel no, 6d 13:10 Jordach or 6 facedir 13:11 RealBadAngel 6d facedir in fact :) 13:11 RealBadAngel d is not for dimension but for direction 13:11 Jordach anyways, im working on a MS Paint Pixel Art pack 13:11 RealBadAngel http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4807 13:13 jin_xi ok, i'm gonna try this now 13:14 AspireMint People, now i testing own mod, how can i apply calinous stars+ to my mod ? (need mymod_slab) 13:15 AspireMint ooops, maybe i know... 13:16 Nore hi 13:16 Jordach hey Nore 13:17 Jordach btw, you can make a data bus for a 7 segment display 13:17 Nore I made a computer (without microcontrollers) with mesecons... 13:17 Nore ... but it almost crashes my server 13:18 Jordach oops 13:18 Jordach Nore, microcontrollers can be used for crossings 13:18 Nore I don't know why 13:18 Nore yes, if you want a double diode 13:18 Jordach if(B)on(D)>off(D); if(A)on(C)>off(C); 13:18 Jordach that 13:18 Nore but not if you want a two-way thing 13:18 Jordach or inverse it 13:19 Jordach try byte comparators 13:19 Nore use somthing like sbi(B,D)sbi(A,C) 13:21 Nore There is documentation on mesecons.net 13:21 Jordach Nore, i prefer hard logic, while you prefer a more complicated method 13:22 Nore what do you mean? 13:22 Jordach you prefer the more difficult route 13:22 Nore well, I think microcontrollers are cheaty... 13:22 Jordach ...and 13:22 Nore It's too simple with them 13:24 Nore The problem is that when you make a computer, the RAM and the ROM are so big that it divides your FPS by 3 when you look at them :( 13:24 Jordach Nore, fill air with nodes then 13:24 Jordach the camera "clipping" will hide extra trianges 13:24 Jordach triangles 13:25 jin_xi RealBadAngel: wow this is very nice 13:25 Nore the problem is that most mesecons nodes use nodeboxes 13:26 AspireMint "ooops, maybe i know..." - no, still dont know :( 13:26 RealBadAngel sure, thats the point 13:26 RealBadAngel now it will be possible to place mesecons on walls, ceilings 13:26 RealBadAngel without any problem 13:27 Jordach RealBadAngel: wow this is very nice (id rather take a present full of shit instead of .flac files...this is also true for the new facedir system-- i like it!) 13:27 rubenwardy Any comments? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=70762 13:28 * Jordach waits 13:28 Nore good, you should add a persistant table that is saved in a file on server shutdown 13:28 Jordach nice 13:29 * rubenwardy is googling "persistant table" 13:29 rubenwardy aha 13:30 Nore I mean, a table that is saved in a file on shutdown, and restored on restart 13:30 rubenwardy ok 13:30 rubenwardy I will try 13:31 Nore You could try to use minetest.serialize 13:32 Nore Another suggestion: 13:32 Nore Soft-depend code 13:32 rubenwardy Nore: https://github.com/rubenwardy/commonlib/blob/master/mod.lua#L26 13:33 Nore That is, you give a function that is executed only if another mod exists, and after it is loaded 13:34 rubenwardy ok then 13:34 rubenwardy i see 13:34 Nore I don't know if it is possible without changing the source 13:35 rubenwardy it is possible 13:36 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2911 13:36 Nore But you have to use minetest.after(0,...) 13:36 PilzAdam Jeija, what about loading predefined scripts for Luacontroller? 13:37 PilzAdam something like dofile() 13:37 Nore Jeija, do you know how to avoid mesecons kill your server when you make something too big? 13:38 Nore I made a computer without microcontroller, and my server doesn't like it at all 13:38 Jeija PilzAdam: I want to have that, but with cURL so that you can share your scripts online, that would be better 13:38 PilzAdam isnt that more insecure? 13:39 PilzAdam if it were server local only the admin would have full control 13:39 Jeija https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/490 I wrote something about security and the submitted scripts need to be approved 13:39 PilzAdam you could also allow loops in predefined scripts 13:40 Jeija PilzAdam: That sounds like a good idea 13:41 Nore Could it be possible not to forbid any keyword, and to kill the program if it is running more than 0.01s ? 13:42 Jeija I just don't know how, the problem is that the program runs at the same level as any other lua code, but just in a sandboxed environment 13:43 PilzAdam maybe you could even run the predefined scripts at normal mod level 13:43 PilzAdam with the whole minetest API etc. 13:43 Nore Perhaps with threads, if they exist in Lua 13:43 PilzAdam Nore, this is not possible in Lua 13:45 arvislacis Hello, any solution to run minetest well on a netbook? 13:45 NekoGloop Get a better laptop? 13:45 Jeija PilzAdam: Do you think the cURL for Lua pull could be merged in reasonable time? Would you agree on merging it? 13:46 PilzAdam Jeija, would be better to merge it together with sapiers security things 13:46 Jeija Definitely, what about them? 13:46 Nore Perhaps using coroutines, you could do it, no? 13:47 PilzAdam Jeija, need to look into them first 13:47 Nore What do you think about the force_load pull? 13:47 Jeija ok, PilzAdam 13:48 Nore Do you think it will be merged soon? 13:50 Jeija Nore: Coroutines sound interesting, I will have a look at them some time 13:52 artur99 hi 13:53 artur99 can i include into init.lua an other file, for example,init2.lua? 13:53 NekoGloop yes 13:53 PilzAdam artur99, dofile(init2.lua) 13:53 artur99 aha 13:53 artur99 thanks 13:53 NekoGloop PilzAdam: Does that work? 13:53 PilzAdam sure 13:54 NekoGloop I thought you needed minetest.get_mod_directory (or w/e it's called) 13:54 PilzAdam oh, your right 13:54 artur99 do i need a ";" after that? 13:55 PilzAdam you actually need to pass the complete path to that 13:55 PilzAdam i.e. dofile(minetest.get_modpath("your_mod").."/init2.lua") 13:58 artur99 i tried dofile(init2.lua), but it dosent works 14:00 * Jordach is considering learning German and French 14:01 Jordach hey berome 14:02 berome hey Jordach ! 14:02 Jordach berome, im running a texture pack competiton 14:02 berome with a huge definition ? 14:03 Jordach lemme link it 14:03 berome yes please :-) 14:03 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=70883#p70883 14:07 berome ok ! Do you know approximately how many differnets tiles default mod represents ? 14:08 Jordach default mod folder has 95 textures 14:08 Jordach not counting the player 14:08 berome thanks ! That's a work ... 14:08 Jordach berome, im making my test pack at 64px 14:10 berome that's will be awsome: I'm only running default textures, even on servers 14:14 Jordach berome, bonus points are awarded for making a default player skin 14:26 sfan5 Jordach: you order has been completed http://i.imgur.com/s41tJ5U.png 14:27 Jordach heh 14:29 * Jordach hears then PC fan again 14:29 * Jordach reads the fan speed 14:29 Jordach 12000PRM 14:30 Jordach RPM* 14:30 Jordach note: dont run 4 minetests. 14:39 berome Jordach: as we have to utilise a precise set of colors, I'm searching a way to share a "palette", especially one with common format between MS Paint and GIMP 14:40 Jordach berome, the image i posted can be used 14:40 Jordach just right click the palette picture and save it 14:40 Jordach (you can colour pick from it) 14:40 berome could you post your official set of colours on http://gimpstuff.org/ for example 14:40 berome O-o 14:40 berome ah yea :-)) 14:42 Jordach berome, working 14:46 Jordach http://gimpstuff.org/content/show.php?content=157037 14:46 Jordach berome, ^^ 14:48 berome yes I'm gonna try both, I'm sure I will succes one method, thanks 14:48 Jordach berome, the image is the same 14:52 berome yes I will use palette editor in GIMP from that :-) 15:05 harrison http://code.google.com/p/xenoxolotl-spasim/wiki/HowToBegin 15:05 Jordach dafuq 15:08 harrison This is most fascinating. Do continue. 15:30 Jordach hey NekoGloop 15:31 Jordach http://imgur.com/a/uVg4w 15:31 NekoGloop Someone should make a Super Mario texture pack. 15:32 Jordach :P 15:32 Jordach lol: 15:32 Jordach ok does anyone actually use capslock on purpose 15:32 NekoGloop Mese = ? Block 15:33 Jordach NekoGloop, yup 15:33 Jordach NekoGloop, go DIY 15:45 Jordach ugh. 15:46 Jordach emptying recycle bin: 4 hours remaining 15:46 Jordach theres about 12gb in there 15:50 NekoGloop That's why you don't delete your hard drive\ 15:51 Jordach NekoGloop, its files from other things i was doing, just finally emptied the bastard 15:53 berome Jordach: http://imagebin.org/247064 , now I have all I need, I maybe have a try, even 95, hmm, that's huge :-) 15:53 Jordach "A place to slap up your images" LOL 15:53 sapier https://github.com/sapier/minetest/commit/5ed9263de3d715b505ff117ab49693198d88fec6 15:53 berome yes it is temporary and quick 15:54 sapier I've redone security changeset in a somehow less strict but more efficient way .. still enabling file access isn't done as this is to much of change within lua code. 15:55 sapier security now ensures mods not doing a dofile() outside their folder too 15:55 sapier and it's disabled by default to avoid additional discussions with ppl thinking they're invulnerable 15:59 NekoGloop Mods are now disabled by default 15:59 Jordach pfft 16:03 sapier what are you talking about NekoGloop???? security is disabled by default 16:03 NekoGloop No, better yet, minetest is disabled by default ;-) 16:03 sapier so all your wellreviewd mods can read passwords and start dos attacks 16:05 sapier I won't discuss this again if you believe everyone is nice and friendly in this world I'm jealous and hope you won't learn it the hard way 16:05 Jordach did you mean: the world is a cunt? 16:06 NekoGloop Jordach: /nick Google 16:06 Jordach already taken 16:06 Jordach whois ftw 16:06 NekoGloop :P 16:07 sapier have a look at those changes I've enablend nearly everything that can be enabled safely ... I've still got problems to do this for IO as security problem is burried to deep within ... there are merely 4 safe functions within this lib: read,write,flush and type 16:08 sapier but without open and close those aren't of any use 16:12 VanessaE hi all 16:13 rubenwardy hi all 16:14 sokomine hi 16:14 Jordach VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=70883#p70883 16:14 VanessaE hey ruben/ 16:14 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on VanessaE's head 16:15 * Jordach intercepts the kitten and returns it to NekoGloop 16:21 rubenwardy Jordach: challenge excepted 16:21 Jordach any res. any style. 16:21 Jordach GO. 16:22 Jordach i draw best at 64px 16:22 Jordach hint: bonuses form people who create a character.png 16:23 Jordach s/form/to 16:23 rubenwardy I am doing a holocusincation texture pack 16:23 rubenwardy I can not spell for my life 16:23 Jordach hehe 16:23 Jordach you could be lazy and make a simple pack 16:23 rubenwardy as, seeing things 16:24 Jordach rubenwardy, hallucination 16:25 rubenwardy thats it 16:29 Jordach rubenwardy, my pack is an example 16:32 rubenwardy could I use the minimal version of the default mod, lol? 16:33 sfan5 <Jordach> hint: bonuses form people who create a character.png 16:33 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/DYAiDLu.png 16:34 Jordach sfan5, make a pack by hand and not reduce color 16:34 sfan5 its just an experiment 16:44 rubenwardy ./jordach.lua --joke 16:44 Jordach fuck off. 16:44 MinetestBot hahahahaha 16:45 rubenwardy MinetestBot can speak? 16:45 Jordach I knew all along the Pope was horsemeat 16:45 thexyz rubenwardy: obviously 16:45 MinetestBot rubenwardy: yes 16:45 thexyz it cannot 16:45 thexyz you're probably drunk 16:45 thexyz bots do not speak 16:45 thexyz to humans 16:45 rubenwardy sfan5 is making it talk :S 16:45 MinetestBot they don't? 16:45 Jordach rubenwardy, next time youre in tescos, take a carrot and take it to the freezers and say here horsey! 16:45 Jordach :P 16:46 rubenwardy :O 16:46 rubenwardy lol 16:47 Jordach or go to the counter and give them a horseshoe and say it was in the burgers 16:49 * rubenwardy is wondering when minetest.com was last updated 16:50 rubenwardy 13 February 2013 09:31:44 apparently 16:53 * rubenwardy is going to make a promotional minetest introduction film 16:54 rubenwardy (ping: Jordach, VanessaE, PilzAdam, Sfan5, EIR) 16:54 rubenwardy E.I.R = Everybody In the Room 16:56 rubenwardy I hate it when the room goes quiet 16:56 Jordach HM 16:56 Jordach hmm 16:57 rubenwardy https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CxeUQROl3NkSGsLpZ2_U-paaBGLzK-mbr6aZzekwPJ8/edit?usp=sharing 16:57 thexyz sfan5: what's the state of android build? 16:58 sfan5 i can't get the irrlicht helloworld example running 16:59 sfan5 it complains it can't load the library which contains the NativeActivity 16:59 thexyz rubenwardy: can minetest really run well with 200mb of memory? 16:59 rubenwardy 250mb I think 16:59 thexyz someone should probably set a VM and test it 17:00 sfan5 thexyz: i made a pogram which loads a link library, it can load the lib - android complains about - fine 17:00 ShadowNinja mine uses about 300 in multiplayer 17:00 thexyz ShadowNinja: that doesn't mean it cannot run with only 200 17:01 thexyz because free memory == wasted memory ^^ 17:01 rubenwardy "It currently runs playably on a laptop with Intel 945GM graphics. Though, as for the CPU, dualcore is recommended." 17:01 ShadowNinja I know 17:01 thexyz rubenwardy: isn't that from 0.2-something ages? 17:02 * sokomine grabs some food from rubenwardy 17:04 rubenwardy /give sokomine food:soup_chicken 17:04 Kacey hi all 17:05 thexyz sfan5: oh 17:06 thexyz it compiled fine for me last time I tried it 17:06 thexyz although all examples were crashing 17:06 thexyz (except ones that were not compiled by me) 17:07 sfan5 hm 17:07 rubenwardy the script for the introduction movie is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CxeUQROl3NkSGsLpZ2_U-paaBGLzK-mbr6aZzekwPJ8/edit?usp=sharing 17:07 rubenwardy anyone can edit it 17:07 sokomine i don't like chicken or meat. do you have any desserts at hand? 17:08 rubenwardy /give sokomine food:cake_chocolate 17:08 * sokomine thanks rubenwardy 17:09 * sokomine munches the cake 17:22 arvislacs how to make minetest run on netbook? 17:23 rubenwardy download, click executable 17:24 rubenwardy :P 17:24 rubenwardy Windows Netbook? 17:24 arvislacs :D and what about Linux? 17:24 arvislacs Ok, I have installed it and it works for the single player mode but there are problems for multiplayer mode. 17:24 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3837 17:24 rubenwardy ^^ I recommend the portable version of this ^^ 17:25 ShadowNinja what problems? 17:25 Calinou arvislacs: note that old netbooks probably won't run the game well 17:26 Calinou recent netbooks are better at it (2011+), though 17:26 arvislacs My netbook many times just freeze when trying to join the server.. And I must shut it down, no respond from mouse. 17:26 Calinou playing multiplayer is much better for these 17:26 Calinou playing fullscreen will give you a few bonus FPS 17:26 Jordach who do ya fucking think <- rubenwardy 17:26 rubenwardy ah 17:26 ShadowNinja try disabling preload_item_visuals 17:26 arvislacs My Netbook isn't very old but it has low specs - 1,6 Ghz and 1 GB RAM. 17:27 arvislacs I already turn off all that features. 17:27 Calinou same for me, hehe 17:27 rubenwardy It is: who do ya fucking think 17:27 rubenwardy for me 17:27 Calinou shit atom @ 1.66ghz, 1GB ram 17:27 Calinou but I have a much better desktop: i7-2600K, 12GB RAM and a GTX 570 :P 17:28 ShadowNinja you will have to wait a while to download media 17:28 Kacey arvislacs, what netbook do you have? 17:28 Kacey i have an aspireone and it runs just gine 17:28 Jordach rubenwardy, i commented on your comment 17:29 Calinou Kacey: an aspire one isn't a netbook, IIRC 17:29 Calinou netbooks have 11.6" screens at most and are cheap 17:29 arvislacs Kacey, I have Acer Aspire One. 17:29 Calinou not 100% sure if the aspire one has a 11.6" screen and is cheap :P 17:29 arvislacs Kacey, same as you :D 17:29 Kacey acer aspire one is a netbook 17:29 * Calinou has an asus eeepc from 2011 17:29 Calinou oh, ok then 17:29 Kacey and Menche also runs an aspire one 17:29 arvislacs Aspire one has 10,1 17:30 arvislacs Well, mine has. 17:30 Kacey they all do 17:30 Calinou have to go already, bai 17:30 Kacey i put xubuntu 12.04 on it and it flies lol 17:31 arvislacs Kacey: What OS are you running? 17:31 mauvebic theyre gonna put lua in the netbsd kernel hehe 17:31 Kacey xubuntu 12.04 17:31 arvislacs I am using Bodhi Linux, seems to be faster than Xubuntu. 17:33 arvislacs Uses only around 98MB RAM when stand-by and no apps running. 17:33 arvislacs Kacey, using minetest from Ubuntu's PPA? 17:33 thexyz I have aspire one too 17:33 thexyz fuck, worst laptop ever 17:34 arvislacs It is a netbook ;) 17:34 mauvebic acer? 17:34 Kacey no i compile for myself 17:34 arvislacs Why the worst? 17:34 thexyz (zg5) 17:34 thexyz no idea about other models 17:34 Kacey it is actually pretty good if you tune it right 17:34 thexyz but this one have damn slow 16gb ssd inside 17:34 Jordach Acer Aspire SA80 (2006) FTW 17:34 arvislacs That is right, Kacey. ;) Just need to set up lightweight OS. 17:35 mauvebic my screens are all acers but when it comes to computers lol - bought 1 acer in the 90's, the store replaced it 4 (four) times lol 17:36 * Kacey needs to find a RAM upgrade for the little netbook 17:36 mauvebic ram, netbook? might be cheaper to get a new netbook lol 17:36 Kacey naw 17:37 Kacey it is actually more affordable here than full-sized RAM cards 17:37 mauvebic for what a netbook costs, and the tiny price difference between diff models w/ more ram, i would have just bough a decent one from the start 17:38 mauvebic opening up laptops to play with parts... never again lol my hands barely fit in a standard tower lol 17:38 * Kacey didnt buy his 17:38 Kacey there is a door in the back with one screw 17:38 Kacey behind the door... RAM 17:39 mauvebic i once *tried* to change a hard drive lol 17:39 mauvebic toshiba sattelite late 90's model 17:42 rubenwardy someone delete this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4814 17:42 rubenwardy because he made two: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4815 17:42 rubenwardy (ping: vanessae, calinou, sfan5, thexyz) 17:42 thexyz pong! 17:42 mauvebic 5 words, youd think they'd proofread lol 17:43 thexyz Calinou isn't even here 17:43 thexyz hint: tab key 17:56 Kacey how do i craft an auto crafter? 17:56 mauvebic it should craft itself 17:57 Jordach an auto crafter that crafts an auto crafter, which crafts an auto crafter 17:58 mauvebic "a hologram that can program himself, what would i do with such an ability? create a family, raise an army?" lol 17:58 mauvebic dynamic builders would actually be cool 18:02 Kacey but seriously how do i craft one 18:02 Kacey VanessaE, PING 18:04 mauvebic i sortof dont get the point of autocrafters, why not giveme? 18:05 mauvebic especially if you have carts/tube moving shit from the mines, why kid yourself, its nearly a creative game lol 18:05 Kacey im playing on Menche's server 18:06 NekoGloop autocrafters: put into pipe networks, needs to have the items given to it 18:06 NekoGloop so you could auto-mine stone or something and tell it to make furnaces (for example) 18:07 * Jordach can crash a server with a tekkit setup in the minetest pipeworks format 18:07 mauvebic thats the point lol if its all automated why waste the cycles at all? go to creative mode lol 18:07 NekoGloop Then why waste time playing minetest? 18:07 NekoGloop After all, you're just cheating everything in. 18:08 mauvebic cheating lol lets see you manage to cheat as good 18:10 mauvebic even with 20-30 friends you couldn't build a 10mil node structure in any reasonable amount of time lol 18:10 NekoGloop 1) why the hell would you 18:11 Jordach 2) it'd be boring 18:11 mauvebic to build something that doesnt look like it comes from a failed 3rd world country? 18:11 thexyz everybody plays differently, is that so hard to understand? 18:12 mauvebic aparently so 18:12 Jordach yu 18:12 Jordach yup 18:12 Jordach apparenty 18:12 NekoGloop Well when they're attempting to impede the way I play, then yes. 18:12 mauvebic you dont need help to be discouraged lol 18:13 Calinou back 18:13 thexyz NekoGloop: it doesn't seem so 18:14 thexyz he doesn't make you to go into creative mode 18:14 mauvebic naw all i said was if you got tubes/carts + autocrafters you might as well, but im not forcing anyone lol 18:14 rubenwardy sokomine: https://github.com/rubenwardy/commonlib/commit/bbbaa8280ad9fbcc7d4a8344d6641e5a043c4a22 18:15 mauvebic people use automated everything and bitch at me for doing the same on a larger scale lol 18:15 mauvebic (ironic0 18:19 mauvebic hehe right now were connecting a bunch of lakes together to make a real scale river around megacity-one :D 18:20 berome we done that on Zegaton 18:21 mauvebic by hand? jesus gotta any screens? 18:21 mauvebic *got 18:21 berome looong travel is possible by boat from center of town to... hem, far :-) 18:21 berome I havn't for now 18:21 mauvebic does it have one of those canal cities i only seen in travel brochures on EU ? (lol) 18:22 berome yes by hand with ancestral-trad mese picaxe 18:22 mauvebic nice 18:23 berome exactly, a long canal, and some connexions beetween sees 18:23 mauvebic we had to build retaining walls to develop the sublevels of downtown lol 18:24 mauvebic some portions of the underground highway will likely endup underwater too lol 18:25 mauvebic though you get a nice view of downtown, the ocean and the oil rig from the top of tokyo tower lol 18:25 NekoGloop Please tell me you're not remaking the earth at a 1:1 scale 18:25 mauvebic im using real scale where the info is available 18:25 mauvebic tokyo tower is 333 nodes/meters high 18:26 NekoGloop I will never understand people who feel the need to make ginormous buildings 18:26 rubenwardy I doubt the world would fit into a 3721cm^2 map. 18:26 rubenwardy (surface area) 18:26 mauvebic thats the point, to fill the map lol 18:26 NekoGloop Anyway, what's the last successful windows build? 18:27 NekoGloop Seeing as there's never going to be a stable version. 18:27 mauvebic 1) fill surface, 2) buildup 3)??? 4) like coruscant 18:27 mauvebic ginormous buildings == more detail 18:27 NekoGloop Buildup, Builddown. :) 18:27 mauvebic its only pointless if you dont care about detail 18:28 mauvebic otherwise small scale tokyo tower would just be 4 stacks of nodes merging into one (wow? i think not lol) 18:28 mauvebic building down too 18:29 mauvebic though from what i understand from star wars wiki, bottom 50 levels are completely covered 18:30 mauvebic now i need to add categories to bookmarks lol too many pages 18:35 rubenwardy added persistent tables to commonlib: https://github.com/rubenwardy/commonlib/commit/bfe25b2ca21dff5d5869239c984951a1305a6045 18:35 rubenwardy uses csv's 18:37 Jordach build up, landmine griefs 18:37 thexyz rubenwardy: how about overloading some operators? 18:38 rubenwardy for example? 18:38 mauvebic grief how? lol 18:38 thexyz rubenwardy: for vectors 18:38 thexyz sum would be useful 18:38 thexyz point + vector 18:38 thexyz dunno if it's possible 18:38 thexyz http://www.lua.org/pil/13.html 18:39 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/commonlib#contained-functions 18:39 rubenwardy all functions in commonlib 18:39 thexyz I'd prefer + though 18:39 thexyz why is toCSV/fromCSV here? 18:39 thexyz how's that different from serialize/unserialize? 18:40 rubenwardy dont know what serialization is 18:40 thexyz too bad 18:40 rubenwardy "Sokomine wrote: Good thing! Could you include common functions to store and retrieve data (tables) as well?" 18:41 rubenwardy a ha: http://lua-users.org/wiki/TableSerialization 18:42 thexyz how about something like >_("default:dirt").on("create", function(me) { _(me).set("default:dirt_with_grass") }) 18:42 rubenwardy a jQuery type thing 18:43 thexyz sure 18:43 thexyz oh, : instead of . 18:44 thexyz I'm actually thinking about implementing it right now =( 18:50 Jordach cant tell if recovering tab in incognito is bug or feature 18:50 Jordach not* 18:51 rubenwardy using serialization now: https://github.com/rubenwardy/commonlib/commit/3dd63c47ea451ba6cf3ba98a73bbf49a4d4fe05a 18:52 thexyz wait, wait 18:52 thexyz rubenwardy: i mean, serialization is already implemented 18:53 rubenwardy is it? how? 18:53 thexyz http://dev.minetest.net/serialize 18:53 thexyz also unserialize 18:54 thexyz ok, I'll probably try to implement my idea with jquery-like syntax 18:54 thexyz let's see how far could that one lead 18:54 rubenwardy will it be a development to commonlib? 18:55 thexyz it'll be My Very Own one 18:56 rubenwardy meh 18:56 rubenwardy why do people not like contribution? 18:56 NekoGloop because they're all assholes? 18:58 rubenwardy I might try to do that as well 18:58 * berome like contribuing and using contributions 18:58 thexyz I don't like that idea 18:58 thexyz and those things are not related at all, I guess 18:59 rubenwardy You dont like the idea of contributing? 19:00 thexyz the idea of commonlib 19:00 thexyz I love the idea of contributing, it's amazing 19:00 rubenwardy What is wrong with commonlib? 19:01 rubenwardy name/type of content/... 19:01 rubenwardy I actually started commonlib to be a jQuery thing eventually 19:01 thexyz it looks bloated 19:01 rubenwardy it is in modules :P 19:01 thexyz oh, well, then there will be two things 19:02 thexyz jquery-like things 19:02 thexyz (when I finish mine) 19:04 rubenwardy I wont do jQuery stuff 19:04 rubenwardy commonlib has gone in the wrong direction for it 19:04 thexyz ok 19:04 rubenwardy I will help you with yours, if it is needed 19:05 thexyz so, the first step is to design it 19:05 thexyz I' 19:05 thexyz fuck 19:06 thexyz well, the first thing is to think a name for it 19:06 rubenwardy jMT ? 19:06 rubenwardy what does the j stand for? 19:07 thexyz javascript? 19:07 rubenwardy oh 19:07 rubenwardy yeah 19:07 rubenwardy mtQuery? 19:07 rubenwardy nah 19:08 thexyz as I'll probably use _ 19:08 thexyz how about "stress"? 19:09 rubenwardy sounds good 19:09 rubenwardy well 19:09 rubenwardy sounds stress-y 19:09 thexyz (like in "to stress") 19:12 mauvebic i tend to come up with names at the end, and theres no guessing where my blood/alcohol content is by then lol 19:12 mauvebic same goes for cryptic error messages lol 19:13 NekoGloop ERROR: Hai I'm drunk, want a pizza? 19:14 mauvebic or using an english to klingon translator lol 19:14 NekoGloop ERROR: Go home minetest, you're drunk 19:15 mauvebic that should read : Go home cavegen, you're drunk 19:15 mauvebic lol 19:16 mauvebic though yesterday it was a tree ontop of the senate bld :/ 19:17 NekoGloop Seems legit 19:17 NekoGloop Nature will destroy all the buildings 19:18 rubenwardy seperated vector.lua into modules: https://github.com/rubenwardy/commonlib/commit/75bfadade61c800994bbec5ec0d8c58097147e01 19:18 mauvebic for some reason the mapgen reminds me of that mexican landscape contractor we hired lol 19:18 mauvebic big bay window = let stick a giant tree in front of it lol 19:18 mauvebic good firewood tho 19:20 NekoGloop mauvebic: The world is too depressing, here have a tree 19:20 mauvebic wish we had more cat NPC's to put the gravel biomes to use lol 19:20 rubenwardy more? 19:20 mauvebic any* 19:21 NekoGloop What makes you think that cats would be in the gravel biomes .-. 19:21 rubenwardy well, they need to pee 19:21 mauvebic ill put a live feed of my cat's litterbox and show ya lol 19:21 * khonkhortisan jumps in and agrees 19:22 NekoGloop gravel =/= litter box 19:22 khonkhortisan I think you meant to say "≠" 19:22 rubenwardy I am making an introduction video for minetest 19:22 rubenwardy https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CxeUQROl3NkSGsLpZ2_U-paaBGLzK-mbr6aZzekwPJ8/edit?usp=sharing 19:22 NekoGloop Fine then 19:22 mauvebic meh, some litter are like big chunks, others are almost like fine sand (why pregnant woman cant do litter) 19:22 NekoGloop gravel ~= litter_box 19:23 khonkhortisan ^ lua 19:23 mauvebic cats will even use potted plants (for some reason) 19:23 khonkhortisan c++ != 19:23 NekoGloop the dirt. 19:23 khonkhortisan it's the closest they can get to outside 19:24 mauvebic no i mean when they have a perfectly clean litterbox 19:24 khonkhortisan then plant something in the litterbox and they might use it 19:24 mauvebic the best part is when she comes get me after using it everytime lol 19:24 thexyz rubenwardy: http://dev.minetest.net/User:Xyz/stress 19:24 thexyz something like this maybe? 19:28 mauvebic he's dead jim 19:38 sfan5 phew! all textures finished 19:38 sfan5 ^ Jordach 19:43 Matsetes Hi! 19:44 Matsetes I'm new to mesecon, is it possible to open door with it? 19:44 PilzAdam yes 19:44 rarkenin !up 0gb.us 19:44 MinetestBot 0gb.us:30000 seems to be down 19:47 Matsetes PilzAdam: And how? 19:58 sfan5 Matsetes: http://imgur.com/a/l3VvH 20:00 khonkhortisan Mesecons can make simple computers 20:00 khonkhortisan You can put a pressure plate on each side of a door 20:02 Matsetes Does it work with all tipe of door? Also from the home furniture mod? 20:02 Matsetes SOrry Homedecor 20:03 sfan5 Matsetes: it only works with the default doors 20:04 Matsetes Is there a simple way to make it run also with the homedecor ones? 20:04 Matsetes I mean adding a little bit of lines in the mod? 20:04 PilzAdam yes 20:05 Matsetes PilzAdam: Where? 20:06 Matsetes PilzAdam: is it possible that is in the mesecons_compatibility/init.lua file? 20:06 PilzAdam well I dont know the code of homedecor, but something like this: https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/blob/master/init.lua#L478 20:07 mauvebic could use some kind of indoor electricity part for homedecor 20:09 Matsetes PilzAdam: Ok, I'll do the best to understand 20:10 Matsetes PilzAdam: it would be useful if I can find the function to open the door 20:11 PilzAdam Matsetes, you have to add it in this file: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/blob/master/door_nodes.lua 20:11 PilzAdam there is the function homedecor_flip_door 20:12 Matsetes Ok, so I have only to call that function when power is on... 20:12 PilzAdam or ask VanessaE to implement it 20:13 Matsetes I can try to implement it and suggest it to VanessaE 20:13 Matsetes So I can learn and VanessaE has less work to do 20:17 mauvebic dont see vanessa on much during the day, still keeping EU hours? 20:23 thexyz https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress 20:23 thexyz oh, he's gone 20:23 thexyz enjoy working example then https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress/blob/master/examples/simple/init.lua 20:23 thexyz that's the only thing that works ^^ 20:25 khonkhortisan When computers get powerful enough, we will be able to bucket real water 20:27 troller khonkhortisan, right now you can try https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/482 20:28 Matsetes I tried this 20:29 Matsetes mesecons = { 20:29 Matsetes effector = { 20:29 Matsetes action_on = function(pos, node) 20:29 Matsetes homedecor_flip_door(pos, node, player, name, side) 20:29 Matsetes end, 20:29 Matsetes action_off = function(pos, node) 20:29 Matsetes homedecor_flip_door(pos, node, player, name, side) 20:29 Matsetes end, 20:29 Matsetes }, 20:29 Matsetes } 20:29 Matsetes But nothing changed 20:29 PilzAdam Matsetes, use a pastebin 20:29 mauvebic mesecons is in your homedecor dependencies.txt? 20:29 thexyz oh, I know, PilzAdam may be interested! https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress 20:30 PilzAdam mauvebic, no need to 20:30 Matsetes http://pastebin.com/PyGqq6aV 20:30 PilzAdam thexyz, why? 20:30 thexyz PilzAdam: no? 20:30 PilzAdam I mean, why do you do this? 20:31 thexyz to simplify everything 20:31 mauvebic you could be missing values for player, name or side 20:31 PilzAdam use "nil" for player 20:32 sfan5 thexyz: thats good 20:33 PilzAdam thexyz, isnt Lua simple enough? 20:33 thexyz lua is 20:33 thexyz but minetest api isn't 20:33 mauvebic i find javascript style slightly more confusing (even if i used it lol) 20:33 thexyz write less, do more? 20:34 Matsetes PilzAdam: perhaps the function homedecor_flip_door has to be written before the mesecon function? 20:34 PilzAdam no 20:34 PilzAdam see on_rightclick() for reference 20:35 mauvebic im all for writing less :-) though that leads to people complaining its 'unreadable' 20:35 PilzAdam "unreadable" was the first thin I thought when seeing the example 20:36 telek Has there been a moreores update since dec? 20:36 mauvebic i wouldn't say that example was unreadable, its simply a different way to do the same thing, though i dont see much economy here (lines/space taken) 20:36 telek Players finally started generating new nodes and moreores crashed my server. 20:37 thexyz PilzAdam: how so? 20:37 mauvebic the concept would have to be expanded to see if it saves time/space for complex tasks 20:37 PilzAdam just think of larger code 20:37 thexyz and? 20:38 PilzAdam well, dunno, maybe Im just used to the minetest API 20:38 thexyz see comparison at http://dev.minetest.net/User:Xyz/stress#Something 20:39 mauvebic 'me' should be 'self', more in line with the rest of api 20:40 Matsetes I cannot open also the default doors... There is something strange 20:40 thexyz mauvebic: you are free to write anything you want there 20:41 thexyz only order matters 20:41 mauvebic ah okay cool :-) could this run ingame while its running? 20:42 mauvebic sortof like a live api 20:43 thexyz mauvebic: hm? 20:43 thexyz in game console? 20:43 Jordach Matsetes, right click them 20:44 Matsetes Jordach: I have left click for opening them 20:44 mauvebic well its not new idea though so hard to explain, but be able to write stress code and execute all from ingame? (dunno if you wrote a wrapper/interpreter) 20:45 mauvebic could have like little custom programs in game 20:46 thexyz it's uses regular lua syntax 20:46 thexyz -'s 20:46 thexyz interpreter would be too slow 20:46 sfan5 yeah 20:47 mauvebic yeah it would have to be as/simple/simpler than sql :/ 20:59 babyface1031 can anyone help with this error http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4817 21:02 Matsetes Is it possible that I cannot open doors with mesecons? 21:04 thexyz babyface1031: what's your pc specs? 21:05 Penguin_ hi 21:06 babyface1031 thexyz: it is Penguin_ error 21:06 Penguin_ yeh 21:06 babyface1031 they wanted to know your pc specs 21:08 Penguin_ atm I have to use my notebook whoaanother error FIXME:Meshbuffer ran out of indices 21:09 PilzAdam bye 22:00 sokomine hm. does anyone have an idea why forking of a git repository on github doesn't work for me? that button just generates a general error page 22:00 Jordach sokomine, F5 22:01 Muadtralk git clone ..... 22:01 sokomine hm 22:02 sokomine nothing yet...still error message 22:04 sokomine perhaps a javascript problem. i hate js 22:09 Jordach and i hate c# 22:09 Jordach (lazy bastards.) 22:09 sapier is anyone here really understanding lua stack concept? 22:09 Uberi and I hate racists and tapirs 22:09 Jordach classy. 22:09 Uberi those animals freak me out 22:10 jin_xi tapirs are cool 22:10 Uberi sapier: lua stack? 22:10 Uberi you mean the frame stack or the param stack? 22:11 sapier frame stack as visible from c++ 22:12 sapier I try to understand what iolib is doing to add reference functions for file references 22:13 Uberi ah the security patch, I assume? 22:14 sapier yes but as I expected io is quite lots of work ... hope this is worth the effort 22:14 sokomine what do tapirs do to you? 22:14 sapier and I'm starting to get angry to need to do is just because some ppl can't accept a minor change in interface 22:18 Uberi sokomine: they are creepy! 22:19 sokomine i can't tell. never met one (maybe in a zoo but i don't remember) 22:19 sapier hmm I don't really have an idea about tapirs but I do already like them ;-P 22:20 Uberi sokomine: you probably repressed the memory of them or something because they're so horrifying 22:20 sokomine who knows :-) 22:26 Muadtralk whats the change? 22:27 Muadtralk in interface? 22:31 sapier the change would be that io. functions are removed completely 22:31 Uberi as well as the system modules 22:31 Uberi or anything that can cause harm to the host, really 22:31 sapier with latest version some of those functions can be preserved 22:32 sapier its just the io module doing very strange things to stack in order to get io:close overloaded 22:32 Muadtralk that sounds good? 22:32 sapier don't cherish to fast there are lot of unsafe functions disabled 22:33 sapier thus some things can't be done anymore 22:33 Uberi like what? 22:33 mauvebic why do they put vibrating trumpets in every movie now? 22:33 sapier execute applications 22:33 Uberi does this make the IRC mod unusable, sapier? 22:33 sapier delete random files 22:34 sapier delete random folders 22:34 Uberi I assume it would also be possible if Jeija's curl patch was merged 22:34 sapier don't know what irc mod is doing but I'd expect it to not work 22:34 Uberi sapier: uses luasockets lib 22:35 Uberi and implements the basic RFC IRC protocol 22:35 sapier nope won't work loading of external libs is disabled 22:35 sapier dofile is limited to files in mod folder too 22:35 Uberi sapier: as well as subfolders, right? 22:36 Uberi oh and I had an idea today: we can store data with the world save using a detached inv with itemstack metadata! 22:36 sapier with current v2 version subfolders would work 22:37 sapier if I get this damn close in io done you could even use io functionality again for files within user and world folder but atm it's not working. 22:44 MiJyn is there any reason that minetest is still using lua5.1? 22:44 MiJyn instead of 5.2? 22:45 sapier because noone did update 22:45 MiJyn and is there any reason why minetest uses its own lua? 22:45 Muadtralk we are lazy ass rat bastards 22:45 mauvebic guessing no one asked for it lol 22:45 Uberi nobody got around to it, I guess 22:45 MiJyn instead of using the system lua? 22:45 MiJyn ok 22:45 Uberi MiJyn: it has to implement the MT API after all 22:45 MiJyn can I make a pull request? :P 22:45 Muadtralk can you breathe? 22:45 sapier mt api is done within scriptapi.cpp 22:45 MiJyn because lua 5.2 has the goto statement (which I really need for my mod) 22:45 mauvebic if it used system lua, im guessing i could install luasqlite from the package the manager? 22:46 Uberi MiJyn: why do you need it? 22:46 mauvebic goto? 22:46 MiJyn Muadtralk, yeah, I meant like... does anyone have anything against 5.2 22:46 Uberi I can help you write it in tail-recursive form if you want 22:46 sapier <<*punches mujyn for bad coding style 22:46 MiJyn mauvebic, yeah, it would really de-obfuscate my code 22:46 MiJyn instead of copying and pasting stuff 22:46 MiJyn I could just use a goto 22:46 Uberi sapier: sic the velociraptors! 22:46 MiJyn like this: 22:46 mauvebic way to make me feel old, lol goto 22:46 MiJyn while true do 22:46 sapier mijyn DONT use goto 22:46 MiJyn -- blah blah blah 22:46 sapier its bad bad bad bad 22:47 MiJyn if blah then goto continue end 22:47 MiJyn -- blah blah blah 22:47 MiJyn ::continue:: 22:47 MiJyn done 22:47 Uberi it will literally give you AIDS 22:47 MiJyn see my point? 22:47 Muadtralk sapier but theres nothing against an update yes? 22:47 mauvebic while, for, recursive functions are better 22:47 sapier no but not to get goto ;-P 22:47 Muadtralk well of course not 22:47 MiJyn ok, wait 22:47 MiJyn will show you 22:47 Muadtralk but to stay up to speed yes 22:47 Uberi MiJyn: you can paste your code at pasteall.org if you like 22:47 MiJyn http://stackoverflow.com/a/12929685/999400 22:48 MiJyn see why? 22:48 sapier no mijyn there's no excuse for using goto its deprecated due to resulting in unreadable code for decades 22:48 sapier no programmer having at least a little bit experience would use it 22:48 MiJyn sapier, oh really? It looks so much more readable to me than not using it (in certain cases) 22:48 MiJyn I honestly think that it can be used well 22:49 MiJyn I mean, very useful if used well 22:49 sapier no there's no use for goto at all 22:49 MiJyn I don't want to get into an argument about that 22:49 Jordach MiJyn, sapier: https://github.com/Jordach/HomeWork/blob/master/gotomenu.cpp 22:49 MiJyn yes there is 22:49 Muadtralk LEEROYYYYYYYY JENKINSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:49 mauvebic i dont think it was ever meant to be used in this context, gotos were for jumping to another line number 22:49 Muadtralk to war! 22:49 Uberi MiJyn: technically no, since computation theory tells us tail recursion and goto are equivalent 22:49 sapier while(something) 22:49 sapier show menu 22:49 Uberi but in practice, goto has uses 22:49 MiJyn Jordach, yeah, that looks more readable than a while loop, in fact (not joking) 22:49 sapier if blabla 22:50 sapier continue 22:50 MiJyn sapier, wait... no continue statement in lua 22:50 sapier endwhile 22:50 Uberi ever do any ASM without goto? :P 22:50 sapier hmm 22:50 Uberi MiJyn: what? of course there's continue 22:50 MiJyn Uberi, nope 22:50 MiJyn check it yourself 22:50 MiJyn that's why I want goto 22:50 MiJyn it'd just make it sooo much easier to read 22:50 Uberi MiJyn: I remember using it in WorldEdit earlier today 22:50 sapier if (not done) and (something) then 22:50 sapier end 22:50 MiJyn Uberi, google it 22:50 MiJyn google: lua continue 22:50 sapier done is set to true instead of continue 22:50 Uberi OK, brb 22:50 Jordach can we stop the fighting 22:50 Jordach PLEASE. 22:51 * sokomine is still puzzled why github won't fork 22:51 Jordach if he wants goto, he can has goto 22:51 MiJyn Jordach, good idea... every time I talk, there's a fight :/ 22:51 Uberi oh man, you're kidding me 22:51 MiJyn Uberi, see my point? 22:51 sapier I can't stop you from using it but I strongly encourage everyone not to do it 22:51 Jordach SILENCE. Jordach has spoken. 22:51 sapier goto is bad and will ever be 22:51 MiJyn ANYWAYS, no one has anything against upgrading to lua 5.2? 22:51 Uberi nope 22:51 MiJyn sapier, that's your opinion :) 22:51 sapier if you're willing to fix scriptapi.cpp too no problem 22:51 Uberi well I speak for myself, anyways 22:52 MiJyn Uberi, see this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/12929685/999400 22:52 Uberi Lua needs a continue statement, as well 22:52 Jordach Agree to DISAgree 22:52 Muadtralk CATS: all your irrelevence are belong to us 22:52 MiJyn Muadtralk, or potatoes 22:52 Jordach ffs 22:52 MiJyn Jordach, good idea :P 22:52 Muadtralk just upgrade and stop badging someone on their stupid choices 22:52 Muadtralk understand? 22:52 Jordach ./mode #minetest +q #minetest 22:52 MiJyn Jordach haha 22:53 MiJyn Muadtralk, thanks :) 22:53 sapier http://www.u.arizona.edu/~rubinson/copyright_violations/Go_To_Considered_Harmful.html 22:53 Muadtralk I say it to both of you! 22:53 Muadtralk its a matter of preference 22:53 MiJyn yes it totally is 22:53 Uberi sapier: well sure, but it's essential in ASM 22:53 Muadtralk so leave it that way 22:53 MiJyn I'm really old-school :P 22:53 sapier if you don't believe me believe dijkstra 22:53 Uberi it's actually better than when we used to use LDA into PC 22:53 MiJyn LDA? 22:54 Jordach MiJyn, fix yer sig: http://i.imgur.com/SXyLy1H.png 22:54 Uberi (which I still do to get tiny performance gains in low end microcontrollers) 22:54 mauvebic how can one be old school at 12 yrs? 22:54 Jordach mauvebic, true. 22:54 mr0wl hey 22:54 MiJyn Jordach, have an issue with that? :P jk 22:54 MiJyn mr0wl, hi 22:54 Jordach MiJyn, yes i do actually. 22:54 mr0wl Are there any plans to release Minetest on Steam once it matures? 22:54 Jordach waste of UNICODE. 22:54 sapier mijyn goto was oldschool before you've even been born ;-) 22:54 Jordach mr0wl, nope. 22:55 Uberi mr0wl: I truly truly doubt that 22:55 MiJyn mauvebic, old-school as in: I like old-school stuff, instead of the new-school stuff (and I'm 14, not 12) 22:55 mr0wl Why not, I think it would get good exposure? 22:55 Jordach because Steam will be the death of Minetest since they dont allow MODDING. 22:55 Uberi Jordach: they don't? 22:55 Jordach some games they dont# 22:55 Uberi I'm pretty sure there's even a modding interface in there 22:55 Uberi saw it for skyrim, at least 22:55 Muadtralk actually jordach Mijyns signature looks cool on mine 22:55 sapier ok mijyn I assume i did bad things in that age too 22:55 Jordach Uberi, unless the game has a menu for it, it wont happen 22:56 MiJyn mr0wl, true, but it would completely ruin minetest, as then it would be highly focused on the end-user, and people would forget about the developer's end 22:56 mr0wl Really, what's Garry's Mod then? 22:56 mauvebic 14's still young enough to not even be newschool yet :P 22:56 Uberi but the user is more important 22:56 Jordach mr0wl, thats programmed into the game with menus 22:56 MiJyn sapier, ugh, come on... there are so many articles for and against goto... it's controversial, no right or wrong, can we just leave it at that? 22:56 mauvebic though its better to pick up good habits while young 22:56 sapier it's not newschool it's understanding principles of computer science ... you may just not have had enough time to learn it 22:56 Uberi nobody cares about the modding API if the game doesn't even start 22:56 MiJyn Uberi, haha, but the game DOES start :P 22:57 Uberi yes, I was speaking in hypotheticals :) 22:57 sapier it's not controversial it'a a function for ppl going easy way accepting problems 22:57 Muadtralk ahem 22:57 Muadtralk plaease argue elseware 22:57 MiJyn mr0wl, umm, what game is Garry's Mod for? I thought it was a standalone game (despite its name) 22:57 Muadtralk s/plaease/please 22:57 Jordach perhaps in #lua 22:57 Muadtralk yes! 22:57 Muadtralk do it there 22:57 MiJyn yeah 22:58 Jordach goto #lua. Jordach has spoken. 22:58 MiJyn haha 22:58 sapier noone having computer science education would use goto it if there was any other way ;-) and there is another way in 99.99999% cases 22:58 Jordach sapier, i had to since while is a cunt to use with C++ 22:58 Uberi sapier: in compsci, goto is no different from any other structure 22:59 Jordach sapier, https://github.com/Jordach/HomeWork 22:59 Jordach this is what i've coded 22:59 MiJyn Jordach, C++, well, I think that goto is not really acceptable, but C, yeah, totally (it NEEDS goto), and Lua, well, if there is no continue statement, then yeah, it needs it 22:59 sapier goto is merely a asembler instruction being used in high level language it's a ripe in abstraction level 22:59 MiJyn acceptable as in: you NEED it (doesn't mean you shouldn't use it) 22:59 Uberi it just means load literal into EIP 23:00 Jordach ffs 23:00 Jordach QUIT. IT. 23:00 MiJyn ffs? 23:00 mr0wl MiJyn: It's some game based on Source engine. 23:00 * Muadtralk smacks Uberi sapier and MiJyn 23:00 Jordach for fuck sakes. 23:00 Uberi there's nothing wrong with it except from an engineering standpoint 23:00 sapier mijyn you haven't shown a situation where you need it you only have shown a situation where YOU didn't have a better idea 23:00 mr0wl I thought it allowed for modifications. 23:00 Uberi in which it has a tendency to make ugly, messy code (from personal experience) 23:00 MiJyn mr0wl, oh, well, yeah, but the Source engine is made by valve, so I'm not surprised that they'd allow it :P 23:00 Muadtralk goto #notinminetestirc 23:01 Uberi #minetestandgotodiscussion 23:01 Jordach uhg. 23:01 Jordach ugh. 23:01 sapier code with goto tends to turn into spaghetti code very soon 23:01 * Jordach calls VanessaE 23:01 Uberi this is the new channel topic m'kay? 23:01 MiJyn I got an idea: Let's just forget about it, and let's just upgrade lua to 5.2 so that I can use my goto happily, sounds like a plan? 23:01 Jordach sapier, read this: https://github.com/Jordach/HomeWork/blob/master/average.cpp 23:01 Uberi go for it MiJyn 23:01 Uberi link me to the pull when you're done :) 23:02 MiJyn ok 23:02 sapier jordach and where is need for goto in this example? 23:02 Jordach as you can see, GOOD examples of the goto statement 23:02 Jordach sapier, loops can ALSO get messy 23:02 MiJyn sapier, you never NEED goto, same as you don't NEED for, same as you don't NEED a do..while (you just need a basic while loop) 23:02 MiJyn but it's cleaner 23:02 MiJyn sometimes using one is cleaner 23:02 Uberi Jordach: line 15-20 could be int x = ArrayCount * ArrayCount 23:02 MiJyn than using another 23:03 MiJyn I agree that goto is almost NEVER clean, but it can sometimes be 23:03 sapier jordach thats waht while is for ... ok I've told you ... you won't believe me so see your self as you get more experience 23:03 MiJyn once in a very small while 23:03 Uberi MiJyn: and you don't need while either, since all iteration can be written as tail recursion! 23:03 Muadtralk hello hello? 23:03 Muadtralk get out of #minetest 23:03 Muadtralk no! 23:03 Muadtralk now!* 23:03 MiJyn Uberi, no, function recursion is NOT good 23:03 MiJyn Muadtralk, ok haha 23:04 Uberi MiJyn: yes, but you don't "need" while either, is what I'm trying to say 23:04 sapier function recursion is dangerous but sometimes best way to do it 23:04 Jordach Uberi == man of OOP, MiJyn == man of GOTO cleaner, Sapier == man of loops, Jordach == man of clean code 23:04 Uberi OOP master race! 23:04 MiJyn haha 23:04 MiJyn yeap 23:04 Uberi kill the unbelievers! 23:04 sapier jordach your code istn't clean imho it's missshaped 23:04 Jordach bull. 23:05 Uberi cow. 23:05 sapier still I'm trying to find out how to handle that damn lua stack 23:05 jin_xi Tapir 23:05 Jordach if C++ noobs cant read the teachers example, but can read mine, then you've a problem 23:05 Uberi what were we talking about again 23:05 sapier jordach you've just proven me right ;-) 23:06 MiJyn change of topic, is there any required changes to do to the lua subdirectory? Or can I just unzip the lua source tarball and send a pull request? 23:06 Jordach MiJyn, probably 23:06 Muadtralk STOP NOT LISTENING! 23:06 MiJyn Jordach, ok, then what do I do? 23:06 MiJyn Muadtralk, I think we've stopped :) 23:06 sapier is lua code already cmake? 23:06 MiJyn sapier, gonna see 23:06 Uberi MiJyn: no no no 23:07 Uberi MiJyn: it's a prereq to building 23:07 Muadtralk okay :) 23:07 sapier if it's cmake it's most likely going to work that simple 23:07 MiJyn ok 23:07 MiJyn I'm gonna see 23:07 Jordach at least we can no goto the next problem :) 23:07 Jordach now* 23:08 Muadtralk next manner of business 23:08 Uberi hey does anyone want to fix the throwing mod to have a draw-back time? 23:08 Jordach no. 23:08 Uberi if not then I'll do it 23:08 Muadtralk has anyone fixed the little bugs in the movement? 23:08 Jordach Uberi, you can if you want. 23:08 Muadtralk you know the fly off a ladder thing? 23:08 Uberi that's pretty cool, I can think of some awesome player cannons using that 23:09 * Jordach should get around to repairing MC4MT 23:09 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Muadtralk's head 23:10 * Uberi radios a satellite orbiting overhead, dropping 250 tons of kittens at terminal velocity on NekoGloop's head 23:10 * Roukoswarf shoots a kitten off of each head 23:10 * Jordach activates the space junk laser to remove the incoming kittens 23:10 Jordach pew pew oew 23:10 Jordach pew 23:10 Jordach ** 23:10 MiJyn what's with you guys and kittens? 23:10 MiJyn xD 23:10 Roukoswarf !Roukoswarf 23:11 Jordach because: the internet is made from cats 23:11 * Muadtralk pulls out bass cannon (bye bye Roukoswarf) 23:11 * Uberi activates the MRV kitten warhead 23:11 * sokomine jumps up and points to her github-problem. why can't i fork sapiers animals_modpack? 23:11 NekoGloop ceiling cat is watching... 23:11 Jordach HER PROBLEM 23:11 * sokomine grabs a kitten 23:11 Roukoswarf uh, is phrik dead? 23:11 Uberi sokomine: what is the issue? 23:11 Jordach sokomine == girl?! 23:11 Roukoswarf phrik isnt here... omg 23:11 Uberi Roukoswarf: dunno, but you'd better make sure 23:11 sokomine i get a 404 error page when clicking on the fork link 23:11 Jordach * [phrik] (~archbot@archlinux/bot/phrik): phrik 23:12 Dogzilla131 Yes, like nyan cat :D 23:12 Uberi sokomine: go contact GH support, they usually respond within the day 23:12 sokomine https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/fork 23:12 Roukoswarf woops, man, fail, i thought this was archlinux 23:12 sokomine might be a javascript problem... 23:12 Jordach sokomine, i can grant you push access if you want 23:12 Roukoswarf disregard the above ramble 23:12 Uberi sokomine: POST to https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/fork_select 23:13 Vadtec im trying to run a minetest server on my ubuntu 12.04 VPS on my local machine 23:13 NekoGloop Jordach: Um... yeah. 23:13 Vadtec i cannot get a client to connect to it 23:13 sokomine basicly i want to send a few lines (less than this talking took) to sapier so that his trader can do something i want 23:13 Uberi or actually it works with just GET, and displays a nice webpage 23:13 Jordach Vadtec, is port 30000 open? 23:13 Uberi very nice work, GH team 23:13 Vadtec it gets to a black screen that says "waiting content" 23:13 Vadtec but it never downloads any content 23:13 Uberi Vadtec: wait for a while 23:13 Jordach sokomine, do you want push access or not? 23:13 Uberi sometimes it can take a few minutes if you have a slow connection/lots of mods 23:13 Vadtec Jordach: yes, its open 23:14 sokomine uberi: great! that's it! :-) 23:14 Uberi awesome 23:14 Vadtec Uberi: its stock minetest on the same physical hardwre 23:14 Uberi Vadtec: firewall? 23:14 Vadtec Uberi: no 23:14 Uberi IPS? 23:15 Uberi wait wait 23:15 Uberi how are you starting the server? 23:15 sokomine hm. push access..thanks for the offer, but right now i don't need it yet. besides...sapier's there and can have a look at? havn't done much with git and forks yet 23:15 Vadtec nohup minetest --server & <---- from the wiki 23:15 Vadtec i can see in the logs where my client connects 23:15 Vadtec but thats as far as it gets 23:16 MiJyn I have another question: Does anyone have anything against using LuaJIT? 23:16 Vadtec this is a windows client btw, on win7 23:16 Uberi MiJyn: ask around in #minetest-dev 23:16 MiJyn Uberi, I can't 23:17 Uberi hmm? 23:17 MiJyn c55 banned me, because I asked a question 23:17 MiJyn a reasonable one, but he didn't like it 23:17 Uberi :/ 23:17 MiJyn yeah :( 23:17 Jordach MiJyn, hes not so much a grouch anymore 23:17 MiJyn ok 23:17 Jordach i'll see about it 23:18 Uberi well maybe ask to be unbanned? you can also search through the IRC logs 23:18 Vadtec is there a way to get more debug output from minetest 23:18 sapier just don't have another opinion than c55 an you'll be fine Mijyn 23:18 Uberi step 1) be correct 23:18 Uberi step 2) don't be wrong 23:19 MiJyn sapier, yeah 23:19 MiJyn Uberi, yeah 23:19 Jordach hmmmm, good work on slowly fixing emergethread 23:19 Muadtralk step 3) celeron55 is always right, (even when he is dead wrong) 23:19 Jordach step 4) if c55 thinks goto's are fine in lua, scream 23:19 Vadtec ive had the client sitting here this entire time and it still hasnt downloaded any content from the server 23:20 Jordach Vadtec, is there any content in games/minetest_game? 23:20 Vadtec Jordach: on the server or client side? 23:20 Jordach server. 23:20 Jordach all content comes from the server 23:20 Jordach except local texture packs 23:20 hmmmm slowly? 23:20 Vadtec i installed mintest via apt 23:21 Vadtec would that be in my local .minetest folder 23:21 Jordach Vadtec, yes 23:21 Vadtec or a system wide location? 23:21 sokomine vadtec: even more debug info? there's an awful lot of debug information already... 23:21 Jordach Vadtec, try hosting from the windows machine 23:21 Uberi Vadtec: are you sure there's no firewall? 23:21 Uberi not even iptables? 23:21 Vadtec Jordach: under my .minetest all i have is: backups/ debug.txt worlds/ 23:21 sokomine vadtec: depending on modules it may take a while. what does the client show? 23:22 MiJyn there, sent him a few very long messages 23:22 Jordach Vadtec, well then, that explainsit then 23:22 MiJyn I hope I said it well :3 23:22 sokomine apt...that's probably an antique version then. compile the newest 23:22 Jordach you need: minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/mods here 23:22 Vadtec Uberi: trust me, its not my network, i do my own routing and firewalling, im extremely intiment with my network 23:22 Uberi hmm, OK 23:22 Vadtec Jordach: i was following the wiki last night when i started this, it didnt make it clear there was additional content necessary 23:23 * VanessaE pokes Jordach and puts a kitten on his head. 23:23 Vadtec Jordach: specifically: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server 23:23 * Jordach takes the kitten and pets it 23:24 Vadtec makes no mention about a games folder whatsoever 23:24 Jordach Vadtec, the wiki is old and getting out of date for server admins 23:24 Vadtec Jordach: i gather that now 23:24 Jordach Vadtec, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/archive/master.zip 23:24 Jordach download that 23:25 Uberi as well as minetest_game 23:25 Jordach and do this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L82 23:25 VanessaE sorry to have been afk for so long today. had to deal with some issues locally. 23:25 Jordach oh god 23:25 Jordach hexchat reports that i am -0.1 seconds ahead of the server 23:26 VanessaE if I *ever* meet the moron who designed the fuel level sensing and reporting system used in my car, I will have him or her drawn and quartered, keel-hauled, shot, stabbed, burned at the stake, and then really REALLY hurt. 23:26 Jordach ..and given landmine 23:26 Jordach :D 23:27 Uberi no that's considered cruel and unusual punishment Jordach 23:27 Jordach VanessaE, oh god, ECU's are a bitch 23:27 Vadtec Jordach: ok, give me a bit to DL everything and get stuff put in the right place 23:27 VanessaE yeah 23:27 Jordach mines modified and bypassed. 23:27 Jordach so my car is EMP proof 23:27 Uberi :O 23:27 Jordach (i use a older Ford Engine) 23:27 VanessaE well this stupid thing can't decide if it wants to report the actual fuel level, or a bit below, or in this last case a bit *above* the real level 23:28 VanessaE so the fucking thing ran out of gas on the way into my driveway last time I drove it. 23:28 VanessaE had to get a neighbor to take me to the nearest gas station and bring some back 23:28 Jordach VanessaE, 1) does the car drive? yes: it dont need fuel. no: it either needs a fix or fuel. 23:28 VanessaE it drove fine up until I parked it 23:28 Uberi at least you weren't in the middle of the Mojave Desert 23:28 VanessaE yeah really 23:29 Jordach im sure stuck in traffic counts as stuck 23:30 Jordach or marooned 23:31 Jordach ugh, 11pm here and my speed is still 40kb 23:31 Jordach what is this socery 23:31 Jordach okay, it doubled 23:33 Vadtec well how nice, github is giving my wget a 503 error 23:33 sapier github seems to be very very buggy atm 23:34 Vadtec yup 23:34 sokomine ah, down for maintenance 23:34 Uberi oh I must have missed that broadcast 23:34 sokomine maybe i ought to use pastebin.... 23:34 sokomine or write the lines here. would be less than my complaining already took :) 23:34 sapier :-) maybe 23:35 Uberi pastebin! 23:35 sapier ok now they're down completely 23:36 Vadtec i think they are having routing issue 23:36 Vadtec the website is up for me 23:36 sapier nope I get a page "down for mainenance back shortly" 23:36 Vadtec but downloads are still bouncing around 23:37 sokomine ok, so at least downloads work? 23:37 sapier maybe some mirrors or proxys still contain data 23:37 Vadtec nah, downloads are busted atm 23:37 Vadtec their load balancing script is acting like it cant find any mirrors 23:38 Vadtec guess ill go make me something to eat then try again 23:40 Vadtec wow Jordach, i havent seen a CTCP TIME in a very very long time on IRC :P 23:40 Jordach Vadtec, ctcp version too 23:41 Jordach i either considered it was late night or lunchtime where you were 23:41 Vadtec nope, early evening for me 23:41 Vadtec 1741 23:41 Jordach until ctcp time told me otherwise 23:42 Vadtec github seems to be working again 23:42 Uberi lovely 23:42 sokomine vadtec: newer versions than the old precompiled one will certainly be better :-) and if you're running a server don't forget to add some mods. there are a lot of nice ones out there (depending on what the server is mostly for) 23:42 Vadtec sokomine: mostly for my kids 23:43 Jordach Vadtec, if you have kids, then i suggest creative mode 23:43 sokomine kids usually like very colorful blocks. try giving them the bobblocks mod. maybe animals as well 23:43 Uberi and make sure to install mesecons 23:43 Jordach Uberi, i've been working on something 23:43 Uberi oh? do tell 23:43 Vadtec actually, my kids want stuff that blows up 23:43 Jordach nuke mod then 23:43 Uberi TNT mod! 23:44 Uberi or that 23:44 Vadtec they actually mentioned TNT mod today 23:44 Jordach Uberi, databus + display 23:44 Vadtec and showed me a vid on youtube about it 23:44 Uberi Jordach: oh the byte adder right? 23:44 Uberi Jordach: are you using digilines? 23:44 Jordach no 23:45 Uberi any reason in particular? 23:45 Jordach my isp knows how to throttle late at night 23:46 Jordach Uberi, http://imgur.com/a/lW3NU 23:46 Jordach simplest 7 segment display 23:46 Uberi are you sure about that? :P 23:46 Jordach Uberi, no digilines 23:47 Uberi one moment Jordach 23:47 Jordach main mesecons mod only 23:48 Uberi Jordach: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=56252#p56252 main mesecons mod only 23:48 Vadtec Jordach: do i need to enable sound on the server, or will that disable sound on the client side as well? 23:48 Uberi 7 seg + builtin decoding unit 23:48 Jordach Uberi, i scrapped the two byte calc and wanted to make a decent display 23:48 Jordach clients choose if they want sound 23:48 Vadtec im getting compile errors related to openal 23:48 Uberi 6x6x5 dimensions 23:48 Uberi Jordach: aw you should have started that earlier and entered it in the contest 23:48 Uberi that was one of the challenges 23:48 Jordach sudo apt-get install openal-dev 23:49 Jordach Vadtec, ^^ 23:49 Vadtec Jordach: nah, as in, i recently upgraded that VPS to 12.04 and i think i have soem lib conflicts now 23:49 Vadtec cba to clear them up 23:50 Jordach re-install the ubuntu os then 23:51 Vadtec Jordach: i would cept this VPS controls my home network, didnt feel like doing that this weekend 23:51 Vadtec but next weekend i will 23:51 Vadtec cause that will piss me right off 23:51 Vadtec specially if any of my contract programs fail to compile when im working on them 23:51 mr0wl any of you guys on reddit? 23:52 Uberi not too often 23:52 Jordach nope. calinou is 23:53 Jordach watching this remaining MB counter is like watching paint dry 23:53 NekoGloop I don't have an account but I go on for shits and giggles occasionally. 23:53 Jordach i just stay away in general 23:53 NekoGloop Jordach: STILL waiting for the recycle bin?! 23:54 Jordach NekoGloop, its done 23:54 Jordach :P 23:54 Vadtec this is about to rage me...now im getting stupid opengl errors.... 23:54 Vadtec someone please shoot this VPS for me 23:54 * Jordach gets LM to hack Vadtec's VPS 23:54 Uberi using the dx or gl backends? 23:54 Jordach Jordach == problem solver 23:54 Vadtec gl 23:55 Uberi try dx, maybe 23:55 Jordach Uberi, hes using linux 23:55 Uberi oh right 23:55 Jordach "i recently upgraded that VPS to 12.04 and i think i have soem lib conflicts now" 23:55 Uberi mesa/gallium drivers? 23:56 Jordach Uberi, nouveau? 23:56 Vadtec Uberi: putting the mesa stuff on it now 23:56 Uberi I dunno, I was asking 23:57 Vadtec this isnt the first time ive had opengl issues >< 23:57 Vadtec i have to many libs that implement it installed 23:57 Vadtec and i never know which one i ahve active at the same time 23:58 Vadtec what i should really do is buy a rackmount and have isolated dev environs for all the programming i do 23:58 * Uberi made an SMG that places blocks at 20rpm: http://i.imgur.com/4YDZsKw.png