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00:00 Taoki Menche: It's not my code, movement froze on VanessaE's server a few times
00:01 Menche Taoki: I used your client to connect to my server
00:01 Menche My server is plain minetest git
00:01 Menche it froze instantly when I tried to move
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00:02 Menche it worked fine in singleplayer
00:02 Taoki Ah, yes. Because the client now takes movement parameters from the server which reads them from config file. So without the latest server, it will see all as 0
00:02 Taoki So there's no movement
00:02 Menche should the protocol be bumped?
00:03 Taoki Not a protocol issue I believe
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00:03 Taoki Just that the new client no longe rhas the hard-coded movement values and expects them from server
00:03 VanessaE Taoki: ok here's another one:  Hold walk + Sprint, get up to speed.  let go of walk but hold sprint.
00:03 VanessaE is the current behavior intentional?
00:04 Menche the clients with movement physics are mostly incompatible with normal servers
00:04 VanessaE you stop almost instantly
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00:04 Taoki VanessaE: Normal. Like I said, holding E causes fast acceleration to come in place
00:04 Taoki Same as sliding on the ground when letting go of E which is the opposite problem
00:05 VanessaE ok
00:05 VanessaE just pointing it out
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00:09 Kacey how do i make gravity lower
00:10 Taoki Kacey: You need my code. https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest/tree/movement
00:10 VanessaE minetest.conf, movement_gravity = some value less than 10
00:10 Kacey i hae it
00:10 VanessaE my server is at gravity of 1.6 right now
00:11 Kacey it isnt changing for me :(
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00:13 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15_Y3_eRfOU
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00:14 KikaRz VanessaE, what Ubuntu i should use? my linux gave me problems
00:14 KikaRz please
00:14 KikaRz fast
00:14 KikaRz i need answer
00:14 VanessaE I use Xubuntu 12.04
00:14 Kacey me too
00:14 KikaRz that is good?
00:14 KikaRz perfect?
00:14 VanessaE good enough for me anyway
00:14 KikaRz supports Steam?
00:15 KikaRz well
00:15 KikaRz going to install that
00:15 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UjuYtgMDIg WTF?!?!
00:15 KikaRz what if i use the Xubuntu 12.10?
00:16 Kacey it sux
00:16 KikaRz ...
00:16 KikaRz Kubuntu?
00:18 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57mkfFdvREw&list=WL36E904F32D635E4B NekoGloop would approve
00:18 KikaRz ...
00:18 KikaRz Can you answer me?
00:18 KikaRz i dont have time
00:18 Kacey idk
00:18 KikaRz ...
00:19 KikaRz What i should install???
00:19 KikaRz Kubuntu 12.04.1?
00:19 Kacey xubuntu 12.04
00:19 KikaRz I CANT!
00:19 KikaRz Iso is glitched on WUBI
00:19 KikaRz Cannot download the metalink and therefore the ISO
00:20 KikaRz VanessaE
00:20 KikaRz if i install 12.10 it'll change anything?
00:20 Menche kubuntu just has a different desktop environment
00:20 Menche kde rather than xfce
00:20 KikaRz ...
00:20 Menche you can install the xubuntu stuff on kubuntu and vice-versa
00:20 KikaRz if i install 12.10 is better or worst?
00:21 KikaRz downloading ubuntu
00:25 * Kacey wants to make a gravel house
00:26 * Menche watches Kacey get buried
00:26 Kacey i know how
00:30 khonkhortisan take the brick node apart and use its mortar for the gravel
00:30 Kacey naw
00:31 Kacey and torches break when a sand or gravel node is above them :(
00:33 Kacey lagging on my own server
00:33 VanessaE just install any *ubuntu 12.04 variation, then `sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop`
00:33 VanessaE that'll get you Xubuntu without the whole-disk download
00:33 VanessaE (if you already have a copy of 12.04)
00:33 rarkenin_ When I had been running my server, I hadn't used a GUI at all. Just Ubuntu Server with Xmonad when needed.
00:39 Kacey what is xubuntu 12.04 called
00:41 VanessaE Precise Pangolin
00:41 Kacey k
00:46 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga9zC-a2LnI
01:04 Kacey seems deserted.../
01:05 VanessaE *crickets*
01:07 Kacey uum... http://www.youtube.com/user/cartoonhangover
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01:18 ShadowNinja VanessaE: are you online?
01:18 VanessaE no :-)
01:18 ShadowNinja lol
01:18 VanessaE what's up?
01:18 ShadowNinja I found a item duplication bug in your pipeworks mod
01:18 VanessaE oh?
01:18 mauvebic whats the minimum temperature for desert formation?
01:18 VanessaE deserts aren't temperature-dependent
01:19 ShadowNinja come on your server and I can show it to you
01:19 VanessaE sure
01:20 VanessaE dammit, client crashes.
01:20 VanessaE -ed
01:25 khonkhortisan Can I use frames and mesecons to make a wall plugin and plug something into it?
01:26 khonkhortisan Or do mesecons move with the frame as soon as they touch?
01:31 RealBadAngel khonkhortisan, yes, frames can move mesecons, just visual of wires is not ok
01:31 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, what bug?
01:32 khonkhortisan But if I use frames to plug a wire into a wall socket, can I take it back out without the frames taking the wall with it?
01:33 VanessaE RealBadAngel: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69537#p69537
01:33 VanessaE that's the bug he's referring to
01:34 RealBadAngel empty frame takes with it what touches that side
01:35 VanessaE ...unless that frame's side has been covered by a protective panel.
01:35 RealBadAngel punch the side to switch it, this side will not move other nodes
01:35 VanessaE <RealBadAngel> what vanessa saod
01:35 VanessaE said :D
01:36 RealBadAngel hehe
01:36 RealBadAngel sand pipe's bug is Nore's one
01:36 VanessaE yep
01:37 VanessaE already reported it
01:37 VanessaE (I can't believe I'm reporting bugs against my own project :D )
01:37 RealBadAngel lol
01:40 mauvebic well so long as you dont start responding to yourself we dont have to worry too much :p
01:40 mauvebic we have one person like that on the bus here :/
01:40 VanessaE lol
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01:43 Kacey back
01:43 mauvebic you know, i was thinking, for gravity, if you could attach those properties to nodes (like the protection blocks), you could have "gravity generatos" (or more importantly, antigrav gens :D)
01:44 mauvebic oups *generators, generatos is the mexican version :p
01:44 Kacey what is the frames for in technic?
01:45 RealBadAngel youtube for redpower2 frames in minecraft
01:45 RealBadAngel you will see
01:45 Kacey ?
01:46 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAssrmRndXc
01:46 RealBadAngel watch the part bout frames
01:48 Kacey 3 tabs of youtube open
01:48 Kacey but what do they do now?
01:49 RealBadAngel the same as minecraft ones
01:49 RealBadAngel move stuff
01:49 Kacey how do i make them move things?
01:49 RealBadAngel watch the vid i posted
01:49 Kacey where?
01:50 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAssrmRndXc
01:50 RealBadAngel mt ones work the same
01:51 mauvebic weird, when i disable log output i cant save screens, launcher is on desktop
01:56 Muadtralk wasn't the creator of redpower actually thinking of remaking his mod for minetest at one point?
01:56 Muadtralk I was talking to some person one day and he said he was going to convert his mod to minetest
01:57 Muadtralk i think it was eloraam
01:57 Muadtralk or I had a really weird minetest related dream
01:57 Muadtralk both are likely
01:57 RealBadAngel hehe
01:58 RealBadAngel eloraam is author of original one (and is she)
01:59 RealBadAngel martraceur was talkin such things
01:59 RealBadAngel like porting some complex mods to minetest
02:00 Kacey is there a protective cover?
02:00 VanessaE celeron55: sorry, the offtopic forum has gotta go.  This shit is not appropriate for Minetest.
02:00 mauvebic whats up on offtopic?
02:00 VanessaE I've had to delete two VERY DISGUSTING threads of My Little Pony already that have no place anywhere online, much less on our forum.
02:01 mauvebic my little pony? how did that degenerate? lol
02:01 Muadtralk the gore one?
02:01 mauvebic do i want to know? :/
02:01 VanessaE Muadtralk: two such in fact.
02:01 Muadtralk no you don't
02:01 Muadtralk you really really don't
02:01 Menche what happened?
02:01 Muadtralk yes someone get rid of the off topic section
02:01 Muadtralk its a bad idea to have those
02:01 Muadtralk on any forum
02:02 VanessaE Menche: you do not want to know.  What has been seen cannot be un-seen.
02:02 mauvebic well is it just 1 peep or several perps?
02:02 Menche vague description? you made me curious
02:02 VanessaE mauvebic: two so far.
02:03 mauvebic well if the rest of the content on offtopic is passable, then maybe warn or tempban those 2?
02:03 mauvebic cornernote did and got the same
02:03 mauvebic there is precedence <spock ears> lol
02:03 RealBadAngel Kacey, punch the frame to change it,empty not protected
02:03 mauvebic kitty's asleep on me but i want coffee :/
02:04 Muadtralk master the art of chair scooching
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02:08 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;feature=endscreen&amp;v=_ME54-N-29g crazy
02:11 mauvebic mmm, cake
02:11 * mauvebic drools
02:11 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDyM6SKLt24 just get a raspberry pi lol
02:15 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYajjGi5-qM&amp;feature=pyv&amp;ad=7914006731&amp;kw=scrum+agile huh
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02:42 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/1905177547
02:43 Kacey minetest?
02:43 mauvebic yep yep
02:44 VanessaE nice
02:44 mauvebic should be proper sale
02:44 Kacey made out of what
02:44 mauvebic i had this brick that matches the real thing quite nicely :)
02:44 VanessaE looks like sandstone?
02:44 mauvebic more like a discolored brick over a long time
02:44 VanessaE no, some kind of brick?
02:44 VanessaE yeah
02:44 VanessaE very nice
02:44 mauvebic fading color i think the term?
02:45 mauvebic im saving the blueprint if in case people wanna use :-)
02:45 mauvebic i have to write the Universal Converter lol from binvox -> blueprint -> wep
02:45 mauvebic *schem
02:45 mauvebic very star treky lol
02:47 mauvebic i wonder if python does it faster than lua tho
02:48 mauvebic holy shit
02:48 mauvebic i just found a cache of nice free meshes
02:48 RealBadAngel share :)
02:48 mauvebic for buildings?
02:49 mauvebic http://www.blender-models.com/model-downloads/architecture/
02:49 mauvebic ok some of those suck
02:49 mauvebic its hard to find whole buildings
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02:50 mauvebic well at least i found a mayan temple
02:50 NakedFury is binvox a inside minecraft mod?
02:50 mauvebic no binvox is seperate and works on win/lin and mac i think
02:51 mauvebic its also GPL'ed though he offer slightly older sources
02:52 NakedFury so binvox takes a model in a supported format and gives out a minecraft ready version[blueprint] for use with some world editing mods or programs for minecraft?
02:52 mauvebic nooooo
02:52 NakedFury and you took it and added a minetest worldedit support?
02:52 mauvebic binvox takes an .obj and spits out a custom binary file
02:52 mauvebic not worledit
02:52 mauvebic i take the binvox and convert it to blueprint for redrawing w/ multinode
02:53 NakedFury 3d mesh voxelizer. I understand you but I dont see any other use for voxelized models of stuff outside a game like minecraft
02:53 mauvebic meshes of ships, landmarks, statues,
02:54 NakedFury in voxel grids
02:54 NakedFury but its cool anyway
02:54 mauvebic alot of nice meshes out there that translate nicely
02:55 mauvebic and its a bit quicker than cobbling together a bunch of shapes for a similar looking but not quite ship lol
02:55 NakedFury I have a similar program for sketchup but it can crash the program if its took big
02:55 mauvebic well the enterprise is 725 nodes long, it doesn't spawn entirely lol
02:55 NakedFury so damn big
02:56 NakedFury and when you look at it it feels like the designers wasted materials
02:56 mauvebic yeah so eventhough binvox blueprint does the superstructure, you still got plenty left to do inside and out lol
02:56 mauvebic otherwise building everything by hand you always end up scaling down lol
02:57 VanessaE sad part is when you go full-scale, those default trees start to look like little shrubs
02:57 VanessaE as in jungle grass by comparison :)
02:57 NakedFury yeah
02:57 mauvebic well yeah most trees arent a couple of meters high lol
02:57 NakedFury thats why after the new trees I feel liike the old ones just dont cut it
02:57 NakedFury thats one way minetest can distance itself from just "another clone"
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02:58 VanessaE NakedFury: yes.  I need to make the sequoias less prevalent, and the jungle trees moreso though
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02:59 mauvebic oh shit lol found a mesh for athens acropolis
02:59 mauvebic i got a marble stone for that
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03:03 NakedFury google warehouse also has models but they usually are only exteriors
03:03 mauvebic can those be converted to .obj?
03:03 NakedFury wow no idea
03:03 NakedFury you got me
03:06 mauvebic i got enough tabs to open to fill everything with < 10K on my map lol
03:07 mauvebic MiJyn : http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/3969
03:10 NakedFury the doctors new companion from what I see may continually keep dying in each episode
03:11 NakedFury very weird way to have a new companion
03:11 mauvebic while the daleks invade for 10^e time
03:11 NakedFury yeah they do keep bringing them back
03:12 mauvebic its also funny how when they show scenes from around the world it's the same flat with different colors and clothes lol
03:12 NakedFury after a while becomes routine and nothing new
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03:12 MiJyn hi all :)
03:12 mauvebic its like voyager with the borg (who ended up looking like kittens)
03:12 NakedFury the Doctor Who show should try to become global instead of always going to englands past
03:12 NakedFury lol
03:12 NakedFury borg as kitten makes a pretty image
03:13 mauvebic thats the thing, they can time-travel, but it always comes back to daleks and cybermen lol
03:13 NakedFury dont say that to diehard fans or they might assimilate you
03:13 NakedFury daleks cybermen and now weeping angels
03:13 mauvebic janeway expressions: out-ferengi the ferengi, out-think the thinktank, out-borg the borg, etc. lol
03:13 NakedFury hope they stop with the angels. or that will butcher them
03:14 NakedFury make one last epic showdown with daleks and remove them for a long while. there are thousands of galaxies piss of somewhere else
03:14 NakedFury same with cybermen
03:14 dimeshake is there any way to turn mouse senitivity down in minetest separately from the OS?
03:15 NakedFury not that I know
03:15 dimeshake so sensitive my hand is cramping trying to maintain precision
03:15 NakedFury that would be a usefull configurable addition to the game
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03:20 testertux .
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
03:20 testertux was kicked by VanessaE: testertux
03:20 Menche whoa
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03:20 mauvebic like clockwork almost
03:20 RealBadAngel ....webchat :P
03:21 khonkhortisan how'd I get in there?
03:21 Menche my computer suddenly started beeping like mad
03:21 VanessaE khonkhortisan: because you were probably merely present the last time he went looking for people to bitch at.
03:21 khonkhortisan so did mine, but for a different reason
03:22 Menche ...he's bad at poetry
03:22 mauvebic i can sing three little maids
03:22 mauvebic people still love my Yum Yum
03:22 NakedFury I guess next person to join is the same user
03:22 NakedFury im gonna bet 5 mese crystals
03:23 VanessaE who knows.
03:23 NakedFury new strange name? I win bet
03:23 VanessaE I'm seriously getting tired of that shit.
03:23 mauvebic who doesn't want you banning webchat then?
03:23 NakedFury we are too nice to take the necessary measures
03:23 VanessaE Nekogloop uses it, kaeza too
03:24 NakedFury by we I mean the ops
03:24 VanessaE I forget who else
03:24 mauvebic well i registered my nick after the last spam attack, i figured its a matter of time
03:24 VanessaE noticed there were two class A's in there.
03:25 VanessaE may as well nail both.
03:25 NakedFury make an announcement on forums for a time when webchats will be blocked
03:25 VanessaE I think that will need consensus from several of us.
03:25 VanessaE personally I'm in favor of it.
03:25 NakedFury should be easy to vote yes when we get this fucking bastards here
03:26 NakedFury provide links for several free irc programs and block webchats. at least that should give some breathing room
03:26 mauvebic why cant the few users who use webchat not get a client?
03:26 mauvebic are they using library computers or ?
03:26 VanessaE mauvebic: agreed.
03:26 VanessaE it takes almost no effort to get a real IRC client
03:27 NakedFury I see 2 reasons. not their pc or lazy
03:27 mauvebic mirc weights what, 2mb?
03:27 Muadtralk I can direct them to a different webchat
03:27 NakedFury hexchat is free for both linux and windows
03:27 NakedFury its also comes in 32 and 64 bits flavor
03:27 Muadtralk I know neko actually can't spare the space to have a IRC client on his computer
03:27 mauvebic if its not their PC, then i imagine they got permission to install minetest, so getting permission to install an IRC client should be easy
03:27 VanessaE Muadtralk: maybe what we need is a webchat that's specific to this channel (and relatives) - a whitelisted one I mean
03:27 Muadtralk maybe
03:28 mauvebic cant spare the space? lol
03:28 mauvebic they dont takeup 100's of mbs
03:28 VanessaE what, 5MB for an IRC client?
03:28 VanessaE pft
03:28 Muadtralk 5mb they didn't need to spare
03:28 mauvebic well ianno what, if they cant use webchat and wont install a rudimentary irc client, then there's always the forums (too bad)
03:29 VanessaE and even if they did, HD space is cheap.
03:29 VanessaE when 2TB costs less than $100, who cares HOW much HD space it takes :-)
03:29 mauvebic stubbornness over not wanting to install an irc client isn't worth all the extra work for you guys lol
03:32 VanessaE heh
03:32 VanessaE hey pot, meet kettle ;)
03:32 mauvebic i have irc client, and registered nick lol
03:32 VanessaE nono the stubbornness ;-)
03:33 mauvebic true but not over the same things lol
03:33 mauvebic but seriously its such a non-effort to get a decent irc client lol
03:33 * VanessaE screws with her cat, making it chase the mouse pointed around
03:34 mauvebic hehe mine likes box rides
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03:37 mauvebic howdy gambit, any troubles tonight?
03:38 VanessaE Gambit: I predict you have, had, or will have a flooder spouting off every imaginable slur in the book in one, repeating post.
03:38 VanessaE (we just had.)
03:38 mauvebic hehe i thought that might be why he's here lol
03:39 mauvebic perhaps we could find <unmentionable>'s parents and convince them to get an abortion?
03:39 VanessaE got a TARDIS handy?
03:40 NakedFury see we need drastic meassures or we keep beeing blasted with negative promotion by some ass
03:41 mauvebic even if we bam hin here he can still go there
03:41 mauvebic *ban him
03:41 mauvebic and make a name for us
03:41 NakedFury its getting ridiculous
03:41 mauvebic has he been discussed with ircops? they powerless?
03:45 NakedFury the most hard option we can do is to need registered nicks to enter and a whitelist. forum registered people or people we know ARE NOT trolls, like gambit and others from other games but that visit here can enter whitout problem. others need to join forum and ask for whitelist.
03:45 NakedFury too much managing but it will help 100% the situation
03:45 mauvebic banning webchat would be less drastic than that
03:46 Menche what would banning webchat do if he has a client?
03:46 NakedFury this option would be a last last resort
03:46 mauvebic from what i can tell he seems to be coming at us from webchat w/ proxies
03:47 Menche banning webchat would make proxies harder?
03:47 mauvebic i dont know lol whats your solution?
03:47 Menche suppose i can't come up with anything else
03:47 Menche anything better
03:47 mauvebic otherwise its making the IRC bot smart enough to pick up on his crap and sort him out
03:47 sokomine tardis? no. but i made my travelnet-box look roughly similar to an old type of german telephone cell. and: you can teleport away. does that count? :-)
03:48 sokomine (time travel has not been observed yet :))
03:48 Menche a bot that can pick out bad words and detect flooding?
03:48 mauvebic yeah
03:49 brandy Does anyone know how i can find the craft recipe for the black roads?
03:49 NakedFury say the mod name so we can help
03:49 mauvebic x many posts from nick < n seconds = kick/ban
03:49 mauvebic add a filter for certain words and nicks and autokick those too
03:49 NakedFury land+mine+any other word or number = ban
03:50 NakedFury user says: I am landmine =ban
03:50 brandy sorry, i dont know what its called, i saw the road on another server but it isnt in our craft guide here so idk, sorry
03:50 mauvebic well lately he's using test alot in his names
03:50 mauvebic and using variations of established names
03:50 NakedFury he always tips his hand by saying im landmine or something similar
03:50 mauvebic brandy, modern roads?
03:50 VanessaE brandy, that's the Streets mod, you saw it on my server
03:51 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2984
03:51 brandy that might be it, they are black and have the white line in one of them
03:51 thexyz testertux, i love you too
03:51 brandy thats probably the one then, i remember seeing it, i just couldnt remember where
03:51 brandy ok ty Vanessa
03:55 VanessaE sure thing
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04:10 Muadtralk nakedfury do you anyone who hates you in particular?
04:10 Muadtralk because testertux uses your name twice but everyone elses only once
04:10 mauvebic lol what an odd question
04:10 Muadtralk IIRC
04:11 NakedFury well I dont know
04:11 NakedFury not that I would care anyway
04:11 Muadtralk a mother in law
04:11 khonkhortisan All my enemies are in real life, not online
04:11 Muadtralk same here
04:12 mauvebic i dont have real life enemies, just people that annoy me irl lol
04:12 Muadtralk enough people want me dead :P
04:12 VanessaE brb
04:13 mauvebic well there was that guy that took me to court, but i won in the end so you could say i defeated my enemies lol
04:13 Muadtralk anyone else love that quit message?
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04:48 ItsPrimetime Oh man, so much spam over in #minecraft
04:48 ItsPrimetime Some people are spamming a bunch of shit to us in your name
04:48 Menche who?
04:49 ItsPrimetime http://i.imgur.com/xdK1ueI.png
04:49 ItsPrimetime A bunch of people under different names
04:49 ItsPrimetime Or the same person who is good at ban evasion
04:49 Menche we've had one person repeatedly spamming us here too
04:50 khonkhortisan the same way
04:50 Menche catch his IP?
04:50 Menche listed all the people's names? thats how he spammed us
04:51 Muadtralk yep that looks like the same person
04:52 Muadtralk (10:20:26 PM) testertux: NakedFury NakedFury RealBadAngel Kacey Muadtralk khonkhortisan Taoki Menche FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS!!!!!!! thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
04:52 Muadtralk a example of his work for comparison friend from #minecraft
04:52 mauvebic dont think we need the minutes on that meeting :p
04:53 NakedFury at times like this I hate whoever invented a way to bypass ip or whatever it is they do
04:53 ItsPrimetime Yeah we had that same message
04:53 khonkhortisan they're wrong for 23/24 of the people that see it
04:53 khonkhortisan no wait, never mind
04:55 khonkhortisan what does that do?
04:55 mauvebic burns him on the temple grounds: http://www.zimg.eu/i/201322546
04:55 mauvebic trolls will henceforth be sacrificed to the gods here
04:56 mauvebic :p
04:56 khonkhortisan nice, but doesn't look climbable
04:56 thexyz temporary measure
04:56 mauvebic plenty of room inside for scaffolding lol
04:56 khonkhortisan I keep expecting that sun to move
04:56 mauvebic well i heard the mayans dig the sun lol
04:57 thexyz khonkhortisan: mutes all unregistered users
04:57 mauvebic i saw that coming lol did it this morning
04:57 khonkhortisan My guess was only allows registered users to join
05:00 Menche someone just spammed #minecraft again
05:00 Menche username "mroman"
05:00 Menche landmine = misael roman
05:00 mauvebic i was somehow think roman polanski lol
05:01 thexyz khonkhortisan: that's +r
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05:15 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69555#p69555
05:15 VanessaE moretrees leaf decay!
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05:22 Menche so landmine starts spamming #minecraft in our name...
05:30 VanessaE so it would seem.
05:30 VanessaE but they are aware now that his trolling is not connected to us
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06:45 Oblivion1500 i just found Jesus in a computer, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1050553&amp;cm_sp=DIY_PC_Combos-_-1050553-_-Combo
06:47 VanessaE ?
06:48 VanessaE $3600 bucks?  shit on a shingle
06:48 Oblivion1500 that would make your game run smooth with 50 plus clients
06:49 VanessaE and that's only a 2.0 GHz CPU
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06:49 Oblivion1500 with six core's...
06:50 VanessaE my machine is 6-cores, 2.6 GHz.  cost me about $600 or something.
06:50 VanessaE (Phenom II X6, 4GB RAM, 60 GB SSD, ATI HD6870 video.  decent system)
06:50 VanessaE evening OldCoder
06:51 Oblivion1500 i didnt say yours was bad... but i can clearly see this one is alot faster..
06:51 Oblivion1500 with 24 gigs
06:51 VanessaE perhaps
06:52 VanessaE it's a monster system to be sure, but my point is you can probably get it for half that price if you build it yourself.
06:52 Oblivion1500 i saw this,, i kinda want to buy it but not to sure.. seems good, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1171229
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06:53 Oblivion1500 and at a really fair price
06:54 thexyz amd sux
06:54 Oblivion1500 hard drive is small but i can get another one
06:54 VanessaE much better price.
06:55 Oblivion1500 also made for linux :)
06:55 VanessaE specs seem good too
06:56 Oblivion1500 let me save the money for it and i will turn it into a nice server
06:56 Oblivion1500 oldcoder: what are your severs running on?
06:56 VanessaE he runs them on an Amazon AWS instance
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06:57 OldCoder Hi
06:57 VanessaE hah there he is now :-)
06:57 Oblivion1500 would mine be faster on that system do you think?
06:57 OldCoder VanessaE, Not any longer
06:57 VanessaE no?
06:57 OldCoder Oblivion1500, It depends
06:57 OldCoder Oblivion1500, For a Micro instance no
06:57 OldCoder Oblivion1500, For a Medium instance probably
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06:57 OldCoder VanessaE, Can't afford it so just left
06:58 OldCoder Oblivion1500, Hi
06:58 VanessaE understood
06:58 Oblivion1500 hey
06:58 Oblivion1500 so what are you running it on?
06:58 OldCoder Oblivion1500, A new VPS that I am testing out. If it works I can refer you to the host.
06:59 Oblivion1500 im looking for a stand alone, going to do something nice with it
06:59 Oblivion1500 dont know what it its going to be exatly. but im going to prifit
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07:01 Oblivion1500 i might just get a group of people together to make some easy do something awesome website then profit from ads becase it would be free :)
07:01 VanessaE ok, time for me to head off to bed.
07:01 VanessaE night all.
07:01 Oblivion1500 night
07:01 VanessaE OldCoder: moretrees, homedecor updated.  You may also be interested in my fork of pilzadam/thexyz's signs mod.
07:02 VanessaE (see the forums for info)
07:02 VanessaE out -->
07:03 OldCoder I am, yes... Things are being sorted out
07:03 OldCoder Remind me in a couple of days if I don't update the first two
07:03 OldCoder The immediate goal is to stabilize things
07:04 OldCoder Everything is on new VPS(es)
07:04 Oblivion1500 did you just transfer?
07:07 OldCoder The past week
07:08 OldCoder In stages
07:08 OldCoder Well, a couple of hops
07:08 Oblivion1500 it seems to be running nice
07:08 OldCoder Glad to hear it
07:08 OldCoder Hosting firm has expressed interest in how well it runs
07:09 Oblivion1500 nice
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13:37 EduardeCalibal Hello.  After put the cart in a trail I don't have how get it back to the inventory?
13:39 ruskie dig it?
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13:46 EduardeCalibal When I dig I punsh it...
13:46 EduardeCalibal Have a tool to dig the cart?
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13:53 Octupus hi
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14:03 Octupus Hi
14:08 iqualfragile hi Octupus
14:10 pskosinski Let give him boots, and send him to North Korea!
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14:31 Kacey hi
14:31 Kacey aah registered nicks only?
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14:43 Octupus Hi Kacey
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14:51 Kacey hi
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15:27 Matsetes Are there nodes that blocks the light?
15:28 john_minetest Nearly every node blocks the light.
15:29 Octupus except fo r glass
15:30 john_minetest Yeah. That's why I said "Nearly".
15:31 Matsetes Ah, there are no nodes that block it better?
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15:38 Octupus all blocks except for glass block light
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15:46 Matsetes Ok, but one block of dirt not block it completerly
15:46 Matsetes You can perceive it
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15:52 Calinou http://xkcd.com/1172/ -- true story
15:52 Calinou hi
15:52 Calinou ^ how I feel with the new mese :P
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16:01 VanessaE Calinou: hah
16:01 VanessaE morning all
16:01 VanessaE how true though
16:02 Octupus Hi VanessaE
16:03 VanessaE hi
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16:09 Octupus Everything so quite today
16:09 Octupus i dont like it
16:09 Octupus xD
16:09 VanessaE heh
16:17 EduardeCalibal Well...  I added "attached_node=1" to the apple object in the default mod then now I have applets falling off when the tree is cut off, is the correct form of implementation?
16:18 VanessaE that's how I did it in moretrees.
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16:18 EduardeCalibal Nice.
16:18 EduardeCalibal :)
16:19 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
16:19 dimeshake hmm.  locked signs and teleporters can be removed/separated from their node by dropping sand on them
16:23 EduardeCalibal Somenon know how remove the mine cart from the trail?
16:24 VanessaE EduardeCalibal: shift left click
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16:25 * VanessaE puts a kitten on Jordach's head
16:25 Jordach hey VanessaE
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16:27 * Jordach is ripping music at 1500kbps
16:27 VanessaE may as well go with FLAC at that rate :-)
16:27 dimeshake ^^
16:27 VanessaE jk
16:27 Jordach VanessaE, .wav
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16:27 dimeshake no kidding at all
16:27 VanessaE use FLAC, it's lossless.
16:27 dimeshake and compressed
16:27 Jordach VanessaE, can i has worldedit?
16:27 VanessaE WAV is so 1990's :-)
16:28 dimeshake smaller than wav, lossless quality
16:28 EduardeCalibal Thanks VanessaE.  :D
16:28 VanessaE Jordach: no.
16:28 Jordach then could you?
16:28 VanessaE but I'll go take care of it for you if you need
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16:30 PilzAdam marktraceur isnt back yet?
16:30 Jordach nope
16:31 VanessaE Jordach: lagging..  it'll be back
16:32 * Jordach has noticed my stacks are infinite
16:32 * Jordach requires new build for physics
16:32 VanessaE fuck it.  server restarted.
16:33 Jordach PilzAdam, can you make a win32 physics build?
16:33 PilzAdam yep
16:35 VanessaE Jordach: done and grass laid out.  your turn. :-)
16:36 * Jordach finds a WE bug and //set air from -31000, -31000, -31000 to 31000, 31000, 31000
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16:38 rubenwardy hi all
16:38 VanessaE hey ruben
16:38 PilzAdam rubenwardy, posting a "+1" on every single pull request isnt really helpful
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16:41 PilzAdam new win32 gettext build of Taoki's movement branch: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65717
16:41 PilzAdam ^ Jordach
16:41 * Jordach will miss Direct3D
16:42 rubenwardy no, it probably is not...
16:42 * Jordach pokes thexyz_ to make a MSVC build of Taoki's branch
16:43 * PilzAdam takes Direct3D and puts it on Jordach's head
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16:45 Jordach VanessaE, FUUUU
16:46 VanessaE ?
16:46 Jordach Downloading Media...
16:46 VanessaE lol
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16:46 VanessaE the sad part is I'm about to restart the server in ~5 mins to update moretrees :D
16:46 * Jordach slaps VanessaE with "NO!"
16:47 rubenwardy VanessaE: you need to uninstall the hd pack on your server
16:48 VanessaE I don't use HDX on the server.
16:48 rubenwardy it adds a lot to the download times...
16:48 PilzAdam VanessaE, set up a cURL accesable server
16:48 Jordach so, has *anyone* came to the conclusion of a new OP?
16:49 VanessaE PilzAdam: no.  Fix the server code so that it doesn't need a stupid third-party, out-of-engine web server.
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16:49 Jordach just use TCP / HTTP you lazt bastards
16:49 Jordach lazy*
16:49 Calinou Jordach: downloaded cache is used if you connect to the server again
16:49 PilzAdam I suggest the person with the highest # of posts codes this :-p
16:49 Calinou makes downloading faster
16:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: that's Jordach.
16:50 Calinou VanessaE: say that to john carmack
16:50 VanessaE he outranks me by roughly 2:1
16:50 iqualfragile ühm… why do the work multiple times?
16:50 Calinou not capping upload rate for mod download can congest home servers' upload bandwidth
16:50 iqualfragile thats nonsense
16:50 iqualfragile there are a lot of webservers out there
16:50 thexyz Jordach: me too lazy
16:50 thexyz Jordach: me no want do builds =(
16:50 Calinou it is capped at 5kB/sec or so for a reason, but I'd rather set 25kB/sec by default
16:50 Calinou (just like warsow does for from-server downloads)
16:51 * Jordach is seemingly the only person with enough freetime to keep working on minetest
16:51 * Jordach also wishes that i knew c++ better
16:51 iqualfragile if you dont want apache or sth just use python -m SimpleHTTPServer
16:52 Calinou Jordach: me too? and a lot of other people
16:52 Calinou sudo apt-get install apache
16:52 Calinou move your shit to /var/www
16:52 Calinou ???
16:52 Calinou PROFIT
16:52 Calinou (or nginx or any other web server, I like nginx more)
16:52 thexyz because apache sux
16:53 iqualfragile mkdir shit
16:53 iqualfragile mv stuff shit/
16:53 iqualfragile cd shit
16:53 iqualfragile python -m SimpleHTTPServer &
16:53 iqualfragile done
16:53 Calinou isn't python simple HTTP server slow?
16:53 Calinou if you run a large server it's probably not a good idea to use it
16:55 Matsetes Hi, does somebody uses the unified inventory of RBA?
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17:02 VanessaE Matsetes: I do.
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17:02 Matsetes Do I stil need craft guide, bags and set home mod installed if I install it? VanessaE
17:02 VanessaE no.
17:02 VanessaE UI covers all of those.
17:03 VanessaE it supersedes them.
17:03 iqualfragile Calinou: webservers generaly dont put a great load on your machine, and its just serving statical content, isnt it?
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17:03 Calinou yes
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17:04 iqualfragile i dont see a problem there
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17:09 Matsetes Thx VanessaE
17:15 VanessaE Jordach: it's up and ready now.  Now with leaf decay.
17:26 VanessaE more updates to moretrees today
17:26 VanessaE the aforementioned leaf decay, and now apples can optionally fall to the ground.
17:27 Matsetes VanessaE: does the UI works with specialties mod?
17:28 VanessaE Not sure
17:28 VanessaE I've never used that mod.
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17:37 Matsetes And the nodex mode will work with other objects?
17:37 VanessaE no idea
17:41 VanessaE celeron55: please get rid of the Offtopic forum.
17:42 Jordach ...and? just leave it as un-moderated
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17:46 VanessaE let's see - a massive snog in a GoDaddy commercial, two horrible (as in, sadistic) My Little Pony fanfics, favorite guns thread, worst injury ever...
17:47 VanessaE come on people this shit does NOT belong on the minetest forums!
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17:47 PilzAdam VanessaE, +1
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17:50 Calinou "it's offtopic"
17:50 Jordach finally, someone who agrees with me
17:51 VanessaE offtopic is fine until it starts becoming just plain gross, sadistic, offensive to someone as liberal as me.
17:51 john_minetest VanessaE, +1
17:52 Jordach *liberal*
17:52 VanessaE (I use that phrase because I dare say I'm about as weird and non-prudish as it gets)
17:53 Jordach in other news: How do you feel about the gov't allowing Drone strikes on American civilians?
17:53 VanessaE I hate it.
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17:53 john_minetest Some things like "Who are bronies here" or "What song are you listening to atm" are nice, but the weapon thing and the "worse injury" thing are simply stupid.
17:53 Jordach john_minetest, HALL OF SHAME
17:54 Jordach where "bad offtopics" go to burn and all posts in it
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17:54 VanessaE hey RBA
17:54 Jordach trolling time: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69210#p69210
17:54 john_minetest Who can decide what are "bad" offtopics? Some people may think that weapon discussion is better than MLP discussion.
17:54 Jordach anything MLP needs HALL OF SHAMING
17:55 VanessaE john_minetest: when it offends a reasonable, not-easily-offended person, it should be removed.
17:55 Jordach VanessaE, trolling time on these topics engaged
17:56 VanessaE heh
17:56 Jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69679#p69679
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17:57 Calinou VanessaE: like "new KDE release" threads, for GNOME users? or not?
17:57 VanessaE OOPS!
17:57 Jordach VanessaE, what was +g
17:57 VanessaE it was an attempt to look at a particular user's modes
17:57 OldCoder Hello
17:57 Jordach IRC NOOB ALARM
17:57 Jordach hey OldCoder
17:58 OldCoder Yeh
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17:59 Jordach what did rba do this time?
17:59 VanessaE beats me, he says he can't chat
17:59 VanessaE ("cannot send to channel")
17:59 john_minetest Trolling time... http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69681#p69681
18:00 Jordach john_minetest,my post updated
18:00 khonkhortisan test1
18:00 khonkhortisan2 test2
18:00 testircbull lets mine the test until the test mines us
18:00 Jordach it works
18:01 Calinou lol, the spammer phrase
18:01 * Jordach trolls again: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69483#p69483
18:02 VanessaE /echo -a $nick(#channelname,NICK).pnick
18:02 VanessaE oops
18:02 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
18:02 VanessaE sigh
18:02 VanessaE how do I view someone's user modes?
18:02 khonkhortisan /say /say
18:02 Jordach VanessaE, google
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18:03 * Calinou googles "Jordach's user modes"
18:03 Calinou https://startpage.com/do/search?query=Jordach's+user+modes
18:03 Calinou lol
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18:06 john_minetest http://strawpoll.me/6820
18:06 dimeshake rock rocks
18:06 john_minetest yeah.
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18:15 Taoki http://d.facdn.net/art/kitnip/1360598383.kitnip_snow_creeper.png This pretty epic :)
18:16 NakedFury yes it is. Taoki on your movement physics update did you think about adding an ice slipping movement?
18:17 Taoki NakedFury: No. Ice doesn't even exist yet by default
18:17 Taoki But it can easily be done by simply having a very small acceleration value. Maybe later on LUA will be able to do this for mods... but not right now
18:17 NakedFury ok
18:17 PilzAdam Taoki, add something like friction to the nodedef in Lua
18:18 PilzAdam btw: I have compiled your branch for windows
18:18 Taoki I'll think about it for later, and another branch
18:18 Taoki awesome
18:18 NakedFury I can see ice slipping player movement and maybe later also other blocks that can act to slow players too, like walking on sand or running on it
18:18 Taoki It's up for pull request since I finished it. Was going to poke you about testing it and merging upstream if it's ok
18:19 Taoki PilzAdam: We played with low gravity and other things on this branch last night on VanessaE's server, and it was fun. Fixed all bugs that were reported and it should be ok now
18:20 Calinou Taoki: can you change friction with your movement vars now?
18:20 Calinou I forgot
18:20 Taoki Yes. In minetest.conf, and it requires the server to restart (can't be changed in realtime)
18:22 VanessaE PilzAdam: please merge that along with RBA's fix to builtin/item.lua (or yours), and my textures for minetest_game that have been waiting forever.
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18:25 Taoki yay new textures
18:25 Taoki I like the current ones, but new visual improvements are welcome too
18:25 VanessaE Taoki: nothing special, just smoothed out wood, better steel, and I forget what the other one was.
18:26 Taoki ok. What MineTest needs a lot are better sounds I think (as well as new ones for new things). Was thinking of giving a try at that
18:31 PilzAdam VanessaE, I dont like your textures
18:32 rubenwardy I have a feeling that this is bullshit: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69357#p69357
18:32 VanessaE PilzAdam: ok.  you coulda told me that a month ago.
18:32 VanessaE wait, wrong one
18:33 VanessaE sigh
18:33 rubenwardy I also have a feeling that this is also bullshit: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69642#p69642
18:33 VanessaE thexyz: I told you $~* would catch too many false positives.
18:33 PilzAdam rubenwardy, I have the feeling that this is bullshit: http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=3972
18:34 rubenwardy true
18:34 PilzAdam VanessaE, but the decision whether the textures are added doesnt depend on me
18:34 PilzAdam GitHub is just the wrong place to suggest them
18:35 VanessaE er, where else then if not a pull request?
18:35 PilzAdam there is this thing called forum
18:36 PilzAdam it has a nice poll function
18:36 VanessaE er...  that's a terrible place to suggest new textures.
18:36 VanessaE but whatever
18:37 thexyz VanessaE: so?
18:38 thexyz I'm fine without $~a as long as you are always online to kickban LM
18:38 VanessaE well, your idea boots out something like 75% of all IRC users
18:39 VanessaE I think it would be better to just ban the webchat interface, fewer use than than unregistered nicks
18:39 VanessaE (or quiet it)
18:39 PilzAdam the webchat is linked everywhere
18:39 thexyz ok, fine
18:40 thexyz do as you wish
18:40 Calinou <offtopic> here's some sound-less trackmania video: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/misc/tm.webm ; first one to figure out how to record sound gets a video with sound </offtopic>
18:40 thexyz I'm not stopping you from unmuting $~a
18:40 * Calinou knows he can record audio at the same time then stick audio and video with openshot, but it's not the most convenient way to do it :D
18:41 PilzAdam VanessaE, I dislike the idea to ban a lot of people because they might be LM
18:42 Calinou have to go, bai
18:42 VanessaE agreed.
18:42 VanessaE ban based on action, not based on probability
18:42 PilzAdam ^
18:43 thexyz fine
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18:49 rubenwardy how about you filter all names beginning with land?
18:49 VanessaE wouldn't work
18:49 VanessaE he's been using other unrelated named lately
18:49 VanessaE testbox and so forth
18:52 NekoGloop ban all the nicks.
18:53 * VanessaE throws a kitten at NekoGloop
18:53 * NekoGloop dodges
18:53 VanessaE MEOoooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
18:53 * C0mpl3xN4me is complex
18:53 VanessaE *splat*
18:54 PilzAdam hmmmm, kitten ragout
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18:59 * sokomine grabs a spare kitten and protects it from pilzadam
18:59 sokomine hi everyone
18:59 VanessaE hey soko.
19:00 PilzAdam hmmmm, sokomine-kitten ragout
19:00 * sokomine doesn't taste
19:00 * sokomine gives pilzadam a few mushrooms
19:01 PilzAdam Im not a cannibal!
19:02 VanessaE sokomine: get the latest moretrees - now with leaf decay and falling apples :-)
19:03 khonkhortisan falling apples means you can have an automated apple farm
19:03 VanessaE khonkhortisan: well...yeah I suppose it does
19:03 PilzAdam get the latest moretrees, wait 10 mins. for the map generator to generate the trees, write a "I am leaving because of slowness" post in forum
19:04 NakedFury apples falling after no leafs to hold them would be nice
19:04 VanessaE PilzAdam: moretrees slows the map generator down only slightly.  the rest is emergethread taking forever to echo back the changes.
19:04 VanessaE NakedFury: that's what I've done.
19:04 PilzAdam VanessaE, the result is the same
19:04 VanessaE and hmmmm is working on that part.
19:05 khonkhortisan I feel powerful. I can create and destroy entire worlds at will
19:07 sokomine vanessae: got them a few minutes ago :-)
19:07 khonkhortisan What setting do I need to set to ensure that the inventory textures will never be corrupted?
19:08 sokomine pilzadam: hmpf! it's not that bad. my current world works well with them. i just gave up on chopping one of the trees down for wood. that's now done by a trader selling the wood
19:08 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, there is none
19:09 khonkhortisan Can I make them load in reverse order so the first ones get corrupted instead?
19:09 sokomine do you mean enable_textureatlas = false ?
19:09 khonkhortisan I have enable_texture_atlas = false
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19:10 sokomine though that still makes inventory images disappear. most of the time i can't see the stairplus-nodes. and creative inventory works only to a degree. large parts of it can only be used by looking at the description at mouseover
19:10 proller PilzAdam, please try https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/482
19:10 PilzAdam proller, maybe tomorrow
19:11 sokomine world generation seems to be most critical after inital creation of the world - mods have only limited influence on it. maybe the game ought to include a sample world so that new players don't give up too soon?
19:13 C0mpl3xN4me I am going to place a http://images.wikia.com/half-life/en/images/f/f5/Combine_Sentry_Gun.jpg
19:13 C0mpl3xN4me in this room, and set it to target "kittens" and "cats".
19:13 C0mpl3xN4me yes, that is you NakedFury
19:14 * VanessaE places a young, cute, furry feline on rubenwardy's head.
19:14 NakedFury what?
19:14 VanessaE ;)
19:14 sokomine :-)
19:14 rubenwardy it is a turret that aims at targets
19:14 rubenwardy from Halflife 2
19:14 rubenwardy which, in turn, got it from "Aliens"
19:14 NakedFury havent seen it yet in the game
19:14 sokomine make sure it aims right. else it will blow more heads off than already happened :)
19:15 Jordach Are you still there...
19:15 NakedFury not that im too far into it
19:15 sokomine vanessa: is there a good way to spawn a house in an area with a certain type of trees?
19:18 Jordach channels quiet again
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19:19 Kacey hi all
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19:21 rubenwardy /msg turret -add_mask "feline"
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19:21 rubenwardy /msg turret -add_target "VanessaE"
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19:22 Jordach /mode +b CombineTurret
19:23 * CombineTurret fires .22 round at Jordach
19:23 Jordach miss
19:23 * CombineTurret misses
19:23 * CombineTurret reloading
19:23 Jordach Are you still there...
19:23 rubenwardy yes
19:23 * NekoGloop puts a katana through CombineTurret's back
19:24 * CombineTurret fizzes with static
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19:24 * Jordach is grumpy with my connection speed
19:24 Jordach 2.4kb/s
19:24 Jordach BULLSHIT.
19:24 * CombineTurret switches to pulse rifle and obliterates everyone in Jordach's direction
19:25 Jordach there is nothing behind me, except emptyness
19:25 * Jordach lives in a spatial void
19:25 rubenwardy /msg turret -add_target "Jordach"
19:25 Jordach CombineTurret*#
19:25 * CombineTurret bang!
19:25 Jordach -#
19:25 * CombineTurret bang
19:25 rubenwardy he shoots when ever you talk...
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19:26 * Kacey wishes that the kids at school would learn to use computers...
19:26 Jordach the turret is ignored
19:26 * CombineTurret bang!
19:26 Jordach cant touch me...
19:26 * CombineTurret bang!
19:26 * CombineTurret switches to IBMN launch station
19:26 VanessaE <Hammer>  Can't touch dis. </Hammer>
19:26 Jordach Kacey, idiots are idiots
19:26 rubenwardy uh oh
19:26 * CombineTurret boom!
19:27 rubenwardy /msg CombineTurret -quit
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19:27 hallstein Hi
19:27 * Jordach dual wields fusion blades
19:28 NekoGloop Jordach: You were talking to said idiot.
19:28 hallstein I just downloaded minetest and I've been playing, but I dont know how to get to the point where I can craft tools. how do I get there from nothing?
19:28 NekoGloop With a brain
19:29 Menche hallstein: have you gotten wood? do you know the recipes in minecraft? they're the same
19:29 VanessaE hallstein:  punch at a tree.  Build a wooden pick.  Then go from there
19:29 PilzAdam hallstein, there is a 3x3 crafting grid at the top of the inventory
19:30 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Gl9gPdG2w
19:30 hallstein I have wood and I've made sticks. i never played minecraft, though
19:30 Menche hallstein, this is kind of old but still applies: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Crafting
19:30 Menche has a list of items and they're recipes
19:31 Menche they're = their
19:31 Menche always mix those up
19:31 hallstein Menche: thanks. but where do I get any of the things to make pickaxe when I can't mine stone?
19:32 Menche you need a pick to mine stone. start with a wooden one.
19:33 VanessaE didn't I just say that? :-)
19:33 PilzAdam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBbqyM6nB2s <- can someone tell this guy that minetest.com isnt the official website?
19:34 hallstein Menche: right, but the recipe doesn't mention how to make it. I put wooden planks and sticks into the crafting part, but no option to make a wooden pick
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19:34 NekoGloop PilzAdam: He's german, it's your responsibility :>
19:34 PilzAdam I dont have a youtube account
19:35 PilzAdam and I will never sign up to any google account
19:35 PilzAdam s/account/service
19:35 sokomine hallstein: place  3 wooden planks in the topmost row. place 2 sticks in the middle row beneath the middle wooden plank
19:36 VanessaE hallstein: you did this and it didn't work?
19:36 VanessaE W W W
19:36 VanessaE - S -
19:36 VanessaE - S -
19:36 mauvebic i would be saving much space by converting positions to hexadecimal?
19:36 sokomine if you want to, you can go to redcrabs server and visit the crafting school i built there. it shows all the main receipes plus those of some other mods useful for building
19:37 hallstein VanessaE: I put Wooden planks and sticks there and nothing shows up
19:37 VanessaE hallstein: do you have minetest_game installed also?
19:37 VanessaE I don't think minimal even has crafting recipes does it?
19:37 PilzAdam it has
19:37 NekoGloop PilzAdam: That's just as bad as me saying I will never ever touch a computer that has linux on it.
19:38 hallstein VanessaE: what do you mean?
19:38 VanessaE hallstein: nevermind
19:40 hallstein VanessaE: I got minecraft 0.4.4, I don't think it's any special version of the game
19:41 hallstein VanessaE: it's on a windows pc
19:42 VanessaE hallstein: and you're sure you did it right?
19:42 rubenwardy (7:35:01 PM) PilzAdam: and I will never sign up to any google account
19:42 rubenwardy google is great
19:42 PilzAdam google is evil
19:43 rubenwardy (7:33:54 PM) PilzAdam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBbqyM6nB2s <- can someone tell this guy that minetest.com isnt the official website?
19:43 rubenwardy how do you say that?
19:43 hallstein VanessaE: what kind of mistake might I have made? i put a bunch of wooden planks and sticks in the crafting squares as you said, but it doesn't show a pick I could make
19:43 rubenwardy na
19:43 PilzAdam nevermind, Jeija looks at it
19:45 VanessaE hallstein: normally, if you place the items in the crafting grid in the right places, the result should show up at the right and you just take it
19:45 hallstein VanessaE: the right places? does it matter?
19:45 Menche hallstein: with most recipes, yes
19:45 VanessaE yes
19:46 VanessaE http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120324203007/minetestmodcenter/images/e/e3/Pickwood_craft_minetint.png
19:46 VanessaE like this exactly.
19:47 sokomine minimal has other textures (for whatever reason). it does have the basic crafts
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19:47 sokomine hallstein: server lag? is your world new?
19:47 hallstein VanessaE: thanks, that worked
19:48 sokomine can you try to dig and place a block?
19:48 rubenwardy although google is a bit touchy with privacy, its services are good
19:48 rubenwardy ie: youtube, drive
19:48 hallstein sokomine: I'm trying out the single player. you sure you meant me?
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19:49 sokomine it takes a lot of effort to stay halfway clear of privacy violations with google. the search engine is still very useful
19:49 rubenwardy I do not care about privacy.
19:49 rubenwardy If they use my data to provide better advertisements to me, then is that not good?
19:49 sokomine hallstein: yes, even in singleplayer you have a server running. it's a special case of multiplayer. in a new world, it might take a while for everything to be generated
19:49 sokomine it works faster later on
19:49 VanessaE it's strange, when I tried to search for "minetest wood pick", three of the first four results are from my Home Decor mod, of all things, with my texture pack test track coming in at slot #7
19:49 VanessaE weird
19:50 hallstein sokomine: well, I can place and take blocks without issues
19:50 sokomine iirc there was a wiki somewhere showing the crafting receipes. i just don't remember where it was
19:50 sokomine hallstein: fine. so that bug does not toruble you. play on :-)
19:50 Menche wiki.minetest.com has a recipe page
19:51 hallstein sokomine: thanks
19:54 hallstein Am I right in the assumption that in order to make objects, you have to arrange them in the crafting squares more or less in the shape of the object you are making?
19:56 sokomine when creating a new receipe, mod writers usually try to make the receipe match the pattern of the object and make some sense in some way
19:56 VanessaE hallstein: most of the time yeah
19:56 sokomine it is not a requirement as such. just a try to make receipes easier to remember
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19:56 VanessaE but sometimes an object is so complex that the recipe for it just doesn't really seem to match.
19:57 VanessaE like the fridge in my home decor mod.  Best recipe I could come up with still looks nothing like a fridge
19:57 VanessaE (yet the node of course does)
19:57 sokomine for more complex mods, we usually use the mod craft_guide to look up the receipe. that's helpful for rarely used stuff
19:58 hallstein yeah, 3x3 obviously is limited. but I meant for the un-modded game
19:58 VanessaE hallstein: workbench mod if you need larger recipes
19:59 VanessaE but yeah
20:00 VanessaE (there are only a couple of mods that need large recipes at present)
20:00 hallstein VanessaE: thanks. I'll look into the mods soon
20:01 sokomine looking into the mods is recommended. there are a lot of them out there which will make your game more fun
20:02 VanessaE I have a few I could recommend, of course ;-)
20:02 sokomine for singleplayer, i usually go with extended plantlife. for building, there are mods which add a bunch of blocks which are very well suited for building houses and such
20:03 hallstein VanessaE: well, I'd be happy to hear your recommendations :)
20:03 sokomine *g* yes. if you want to build a house, vanessas homedecor mod is almost a must. moreblocks is very popular as well. and 3dforniture with its chairs and tables etc
20:03 VanessaE hallstein: my best ones are plantlife, moretrees, homedecor
20:03 VanessaE also get mesecons, technic, streets, ... hell there are so many I can't really choose
20:03 STHGOM mesecons
20:04 STHGOM MODS!!!!
20:04 rubenwardy bye
20:04 STHGOM bye
20:04 sokomine :-)
20:04 rubenwardy the food mod is good...
20:04 VanessaE ciao rubenwardy.
20:04 hallstein VanessaE: mods are all written in Lua, right? so they work on all the platforms?
20:04 rubenwardy lol
20:04 rubenwardy hallstein: any platform that can run minetest
20:04 sokomine yes, hallstein
20:04 sokomine and they are very simple to create (unless you want something very exotic)
20:05 hallstein sokomine: I heard lua is pretty simple. it's becoming very popular as a scripting language for C++ programs I hear
20:05 STHGOM would cars, boats, and airplanes be considered exotic?
20:05 VanessaE no, simply useful :-)
20:06 VanessaE hallstein: yes
20:06 VanessaE it's fairly simple
20:06 VanessaE if you have any decent programming skills regardless of language, Lua isn't hard to pick up
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20:07 sokomine we do have ufos by now. there are still some issues with vehicles but they improved a lot recently
20:07 PilzAdam gtg; bye
20:07 sokomine lua is still less convenient than other languages (at least to me)
20:08 hallstein what's lua like? i've never looked into it
20:08 VanessaE hard to describe
20:08 VanessaE it's simple, but sometimes it can be pretty strict
20:08 VanessaE especially with things like commas
20:09 Jeija I'd say like python, but a lot cleaner; Or like the simplicity of Basic combined with the beauty of C
20:09 VanessaE you can do just about anything you want in it
20:09 VanessaE yeah, a merger of basic+C is about right
20:10 VanessaE if/then/else, for/end, simple file I/O, even self-mod code is possible
20:10 hallstein I'd hope so :)
20:10 hallstein so like macros? like in lisp?
20:11 VanessaE well no, not if you mean as in a macro assembler
20:11 VanessaE but functions are easily used
20:11 NekoGloop So like hell's programming language?
20:11 VanessaE and inserting files into other files is a simple procedure
20:11 * sfan5 would say its pretty similar to python
20:12 hallstein I'll have to look it up
20:12 * Jordach would say its so bad its pointless
20:12 sfan5 you can redefine functions in-line in lua ''abc = function()\n  print("Hello")\nend''
20:13 sfan5 i haven't found out whether you can do that in python
20:13 VanessaE NekoGloop: given your having made "evil" blocks and tools, "hell's" programming language sounds legit ;-)
20:13 * NekoGloop whistles innocently
20:14 VanessaE hah!
20:14 sokomine let's say it serves its purpose for simple things. it is a full programming language. there are other languages which have a better error handling and give more helpful hints on what's wrong
20:14 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bCilj4efa0
20:15 hallstein sokomine: If I understand correctly, Lua's main advantage is actually a C++ library which allows you to integrate lua very easily into your C++ program
20:15 * sfan5 agrees with sokomine
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20:15 sokomine those evil blocks ought to have a more friendly name :-)
20:15 VanessaE sokomine: you should see how I textured them in HDX :-)
20:16 NekoGloop Did you take screenies from the "666" video on youtube?
20:16 sfan5 hallstein: lua is designed as programming language you can use in your c/c++(/obj-c) programs
20:16 sokomine yes, it seems easy to integrate and is small. for simple mods it is more than suitable. even for people who havn't programmed before (most can be done by taking a node definition and chaning that according to your needs)
20:17 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/screenshot_3404147947.png
20:18 sokomine vanessa: how do they look like there? the normal version seems to be a darkish red - which might be good for some buildings. but...evil? the blocks might run away after construction :-)
20:18 VanessaE sokomine:  ^^^^^^
20:18 khonkhortisan How does minetest manage to not corrupt its memory of what nodes are near you, but it manages to always corrupt the inventory images?
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20:20 NekoGloop khonkhortisan: OpenGL.
20:20 sokomine oh, it does manage to corrupt pictures of nodes around you sometimes. happens very frequently if i don't restart the whole game but just go to the menu and restart the world. after some time it will eventually be all white and texture-less
20:20 sokomine even with texture_atlas disabled
20:21 Menche if i suspend the computer then resume, distant blocks will all be plain white with colored speckles
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20:21 sokomine i have to add that my grapics card is almost 5 years old and onboard
20:22 EduardeCalibal I found a exploit. :D  If your inventory is full the use the 9 slots of the crafting area as storage area.  :-o
20:22 EduardeCalibal then use...
20:23 VanessaE we kbow this :-)
20:23 VanessaE know*
20:23 EduardeCalibal Nice.  :D
20:24 khonkhortisan I'll try hibernating and see how it goes
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20:27 sokomine eduarde: there is even a mod called "bags" :-) that allowes to carry even more ,-)
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20:30 bulletrulz lol i fucked up my computer last night had to reinstall xubuntu
20:30 khonkhortisan My hibernation works fine. I have a good graphics card and cpu, my computer's bottleneck is memory.
20:33 bulletrulz MiJyn, i fuckede up my computer last night
20:33 STHGOM bye
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20:34 MiJyn bulletrulz, why?
20:34 khonkhortisan My question is, how?
20:34 khonkhortisan rm? update? driver? swap? forkbomb?
20:35 bulletrulz i was trying to unistall the xfce de and fucked up when i did as it removed abunch of shit needed for the computer to work so i just grabbed my usb i installed xubuntu
20:35 MiJyn khonkhortisan, definitely forkbomb :P jk
20:35 MiJyn @bulletrulz ouch
20:36 bulletrulz ikr
20:36 bulletrulz i had so much fucking movies and music!
20:36 khonkhortisan you lost /home too?
20:36 MiJyn @bulletrulz, pirated? xD
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20:37 bulletrulz MiJyn, howd u know XDD
20:37 khonkhortisan I would think there'd be a recovery install button
20:37 MiJyn bulletrulz, oh, random guess xD
20:37 bulletrulz MiJyn, yep just just about enough that i would spend my life in prison
20:37 khonkhortisan I only pirate what I have an old cd of
20:37 MiJyn @bulletrulz, ah, that's not enough! xD
20:38 MiJyn jk
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20:38 bulletrulz lol but honestlyn nobody cares about pirating
20:38 MiJyn yeah ik
20:38 khonkhortisan if the product isn't still sold, that would be true
20:39 MiJyn @bulletrulz, can we continue this over query?
20:39 bulletrulz or skype MiJyn
20:39 MiJyn k
20:39 khonkhortisan don't worry about me, I'm not the pirate police
20:40 MiJyn yeah, it's just because it has nothing to do with MT lol
20:40 khonkhortisan oh, hibernating corrupted my inventory
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20:48 bulletrulz u know what movies u go should watch
20:48 bulletrulz idocracy
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20:51 hallstein where are the enemies supposed to be?
20:55 khonkhortisan If you are playing minetest with default minetest_game, the enemies have been removed.
20:58 hallstein khonkhortisan: and i cant put them back in?
20:59 khonkhortisan There are mods that add enemies back in
21:05 hallstein khonkhortisan: thanks
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21:08 ShadowNinja Menche: my converter works with water, lava and torches now
21:12 Menche ShadowNinja: sorry, was afk. thats great, link?
21:13 ShadowNinja http://ubuntuone.com/0BS5fFdGKW7pcxD99XNGr1 and http://ubuntuone.com/0qfOsbavGpfy4g67nyvcrB
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21:47 hallstein what happens if you die in single player?
21:49 EduardeCalibal Nothing...
21:49 khonkhortisan you come back to life in a new location
21:50 khonkhortisan with full health
21:50 EduardeCalibal Well, I put a mod to lost all itens.
21:50 EduardeCalibal :)
21:50 khonkhortisan and you have to find your way back to where you were building
21:50 khonkhortisan bones?
21:50 khonkhortisan bones are undependable
21:50 EduardeCalibal Yes, I think
21:50 khonkhortisan You can _actually_ lose your items
21:50 hallstein Oh, the world is pretty large, isn't it?
21:50 hallstein so I'd likely have to look for a long time
21:50 EduardeCalibal Yes...
21:50 khonkhortisan It's as far as you can see.
21:51 khonkhortisan If you go farther, it makes the world bigger.
21:51 john_minetest /teleport 30000,3000,30000
21:51 khonkhortisan There is a maximum size around 30000
21:51 hallstein I'm building a very tall tower so I can find my main mine/stash
21:51 john_minetest and then fall down and die
21:51 hallstein just wondering what would happen if I fell off
21:51 khonkhortisan That doesn't always work
21:51 khonkhortisan If you die and respawn far enough away, you won't load the tower to be able to see it
21:51 EduardeCalibal The mod technic_master or inventory plus have a function to set home base. :D
21:51 khonkhortisan F5 will tell you your coordinates
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21:52 khonkhortisan Hello Uberi
21:52 hallstein khonkhortisan: thanks, that's helpful
21:52 Uberi o/
21:52 EduardeCalibal I love the F5. :D
21:54 bulletrulz brock lesners f5?
21:54 EduardeCalibal Key F5.  :-P
21:56 * khonkhortisan just learned to not leave a boat running while building it
21:57 Uberi is your boat running? then you'd better go catch it :P
21:57 EduardeCalibal :D
21:58 khonkhortisan I'm using technic frames surrounded by wood with pressure plates to control it
21:58 hallstein How do I use my smelter,btw? my wooden pickaxe is a little slow
21:58 khonkhortisan If you have coal lumps, put that in the top and put something flammable in the bottom
21:58 hallstein on the left or right part?
21:59 khonkhortisan the part that has black in the center
21:59 khonkhortisan left
21:59 hallstein thanks
22:00 ShadowNinja coal/something flamable goes in the bottom
22:00 khonkhortisan I mean iron lumps then
22:01 hallstein wait, i put, say, coal and a sapling on the left, and fill each of the four squares with iron lumps?
22:01 khonkhortisan the four squares are output.
22:01 khonkhortisan The bottom is flammable input
22:01 khonkhortisan the top is smeltable material
22:02 khonkhortisan Don't use saplings for fuel
22:02 hallstein apples, then
22:03 ShadowNinja use tree
22:03 khonkhortisan Does wood burn the same as trunk?
22:03 ShadowNinja lasts long and is east to get
22:03 ShadowNinja no, a lot shorter
22:04 khonkhortisan uh, I turned on my boat and fell a node down into it
22:05 khonkhortisan again and I fell all the way through it
22:06 hallstein thanks, it's making ingots
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22:24 hallstein how long can i stay underwater?
22:24 khonkhortisan forever without a mod
22:25 hallstein khonkhortisan: thanks
22:25 khonkhortisan If it was any other way, there would be an oxygen bar, red / black tint, or audio warning.
22:25 khonkhortisan Also, fire doesn't kill, but lava does.
22:26 hallstein thats what i was thinking, but i wasnt sure
22:27 Muadtralk fire kills now
22:27 Muadtralk least last I checked it did
22:30 khonkhortisan My mesecons machine shows a mesecons bug. I can fall through my technic boat. What do I do now?
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22:31 Muadtralk build a platform under the boat?
22:31 Muadtralk and pretend to use it?
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22:33 khonkhortisan it's a good thing grass doesn't burn
22:34 Muadtralk it should!
22:34 khonkhortisan There was a town that covered its roads with wood. The whole thing burned down.
22:35 khonkhortisan heh. I removed the grass by putting fire on it, but that's a separate abm
22:35 khonkhortisan yep, fire hurts
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22:44 jin_xi huh
22:44 Uberi khonkhortisan: what's the bug?
22:45 khonkhortisan https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/75
22:46 EduardeCalibal Sometimes I test mods and have the message: Name boats:boat does not follow naming conventions: "modname:" or ":" prefix required.
22:46 EduardeCalibal How solve this?
22:46 khonkhortisan boats/init.lua
22:47 khonkhortisan The file "modname/init.lua" defines the node "modname:nodename"
22:47 EduardeCalibal I already read the file but dont understand the error...
22:47 khonkhortisan What folder is the init.lua in?
22:47 EduardeCalibal The modname need be the same?
22:47 khonkhortisan yes
22:50 EduardeCalibal Well...  I renamed many other mods, but ok, testing...
22:50 Uberi hey khonkhortisan, you know that issue? #68?
22:51 khonkhortisan yeah
22:51 khonkhortisan oh there's a comment
22:51 Uberi well, I can't make heads or tails of it
22:51 Jeija Yeah, I'm still wondering what you actually want from us...
22:52 Uberi hmm, maybe a diagram would help
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22:53 Uberi hey sapier
22:53 sapier hello
22:53 EduardeCalibal Thanks khonkhortisan, is working now. ;D
22:54 EduardeCalibal AFK
22:54 khonkhortisan If I have a wire in the air and it is on my left and I place a corner on the end, the wire turns right.
22:54 EduardeCalibal This game have outside camera?
22:54 Uberi khonkhortisan: wait wait, on your left?
22:54 Uberi EduardeCalibal: third person? not yet
22:54 sapier no
22:55 EduardeCalibal To bad... :D
22:55 EduardeCalibal Thanks.
22:55 EduardeCalibal :D
22:55 khonkhortisan If I have a wire in the air and it is in front of me and I place a corner on the end, the wire is not connected to the corner (corner is going back/left, wire is going forward)
22:55 EduardeCalibal AFK
22:55 khonkhortisan If I have a wire in the air and it is on my right and I place a corner on the end, the wire is not connected to the corner (corner is going back/left, wire is going right)
22:55 khonkhortisan Yes, I _should_ make a diagram.
22:56 Uberi oooh I sort of get it now
22:56 Uberi so what you want is that the wire connects based on what is already there?
22:56 khonkhortisan The problem is that the wire is in the air instead of on the ground
22:56 khonkhortisan If I want the wire to turn left, I would have to be standing on the wire when I place the corner.
22:57 Jeija Me too, but how often is there a wire in the air? I'm not sure what behaviour confuses me most... the current one or the proposed one.
22:57 khonkhortisan If I'm standing on the wire, I can't see the end of it to put the corner on, unless there's ground there
22:57 Uberi not necessarily, khonkhortisan, it's based on get_player_facedir()
22:57 khonkhortisan A wire is in the air when you make a computer starting from the display
22:59 Uberi yes, aerial wiring is quite useful
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22:59 khonkhortisan What do you mean about the facedir?
23:00 Uberi hey Menche
23:00 Menche hi
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23:00 Uberi khonkhortisan: basically, facedir is calculated based on the player facing direction
23:00 Uberi hey NekoGloop
23:00 Uberi it should not matter what your height is
23:00 khonkhortisan To turn left you have to place the corner on the end of a wire that is pointing the same direction as you are
23:03 Uberi OK now you've lost me again
23:03 khonkhortisan I'll diagram it.
23:04 sapier uberi are those changes i did to the file api changeset what you wanted to have?
23:04 Uberi sapier: yes, definitely
23:04 Uberi I think the security changeset is pretty good too, now with the compatible auth format
23:04 sapier anything missing atm you know of? or any bugs in there?
23:05 sapier still some ppl have to be persuaded that security is worth giving old some bad habits
23:05 Uberi sapier: well I haven't tested it terribly much, but I am working on a basic WE //save and //load implementation
23:05 sapier giving up
23:06 sapier already based upon that changes?
23:06 NekoGloop Haaiii
23:06 sapier hmm you don't have file listing support in file api ... not quite sure if it'd be good to have it
23:07 Uberi sapier: it would be great, yes
23:07 Uberi we could list the WE schematics in the world, for example
23:07 sapier on one hand i think so on the other hand you'd make it more easy for mods to mess around with other mods data
23:08 Uberi well yes, but they can do that anyways, right?
23:08 sapier if you already know filename of other mod yes (or are good at guessing)
23:08 Uberi yep
23:09 sapier still file listing support makes finding files much more conveniant .. in legit as well as evil cases ... it's a dual purpose feature
23:10 Uberi so is every feature, of course :P
23:10 sapier hmm maybe hideable files would be an option
23:11 sapier file listing not showing files a mod created as not listable
23:11 Uberi no no, how about mod folders?
23:11 sapier isn't possible as you can't decide which mod is calling a open_file
23:11 Uberi sapier: you can't? what about a backtrace?
23:12 Uberi the file surely must be in the stack somewhere, right?
23:12 sapier files may be opened e.g. on_node_place
23:12 Uberi yeah
23:13 Uberi well you know it's no worse for things like that
23:13 Uberi after all, more popular mods often have fixed file names already
23:13 sapier what level of backtrace decides which mod we are in? first? last? something in between?
23:13 Uberi sapier: true
23:14 sapier I know it'd be great to always know which mod is calling but currently I don't see a way to know about this
23:15 sapier I think I'll add hidden files and file listing support to file api
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23:15 Uberi sapier: hidden files could be dotfiles, it all works out
23:15 Menche hey ShadowNinja
23:15 sapier isn't working quite well on windows
23:15 Uberi how so?
23:16 ShadowNinja hi, is the converter working correctly?
23:16 Uberi which one?
23:16 Menche except for break animation and desert stone/sand, yes
23:16 Menche tried another pack and it has opaque background on the break animation
23:16 sapier as file api has full control about filenames e.g. adding a prefix to filenames may be a solution (from within minetest you can't see it, files missing this prefix are hidden too)
23:17 Menche other than that its great
23:17 Uberi yeah, that could work
23:17 ShadowNinja mc doesn't have desert stone/sand and if you use annother tp the breakanim should work
23:17 Menche minetest's desert stone is just normal stone tinted red. can PIL do that?
23:18 ShadowNinja probably
23:18 sapier I guess it'd not take long for someone to ask "why are my we files named <missing prefix>... not openable from minetest mod ... :-/
23:18 Uberi well yeah, there is a ton of schems out there already
23:18 Uberi can't really break compat with them
23:18 Menche nice how you got the lava/water animated
23:19 ShadowNinja it is a little fast but you can fix that with a simple change in default if you want to
23:19 sapier not quite good but maybe hiding all files starting with hidden_ is good enough ... if someone has a file out there using this prefix it's his problem
23:22 sapier does anyone have a better suggestion?
23:22 khonkhortisan Uberi, Jeija there's my diagram https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/68 I hope I made myself clear
23:22 Uberi ah much better
23:24 Jeija a lot more understandable
23:25 khonkhortisan good
23:26 Uberi khonkhortisan: I usually do this:
23:27 Uberi M**
23:27 Uberi M*D
23:27 Uberi MCD
23:27 Uberi MC*
23:27 Uberi M is mesecon, * is air, D is dirt, C is corner
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23:28 Traxie21 Hello
23:28 Uberi hi
23:28 khonkhortisan I do M** Mc* Mcc M*c MCc MC* where M is mesecon, * is air, c is incorrectly oriented corner, C is correctly oriented corner.
23:28 Traxie21 whats up?
23:28 Uberi khonkhortisan: that's a bit faster, I suppose
23:31 khonkhortisan If corners and 3-ways weren't placed like "┬ ┐", but were placed like "└ ┴" or "┴ ┘", then you wouldn't have to place dirt near them.
23:34 Uberi khonkhortisan: well yes but then you have to dig out nodes when placing one in a corner
23:34 Uberi take for example:
23:34 Uberi DDD
23:34 Uberi D
23:34 Uberi C
23:34 Uberi er, scratch that last line
23:34 Uberi how will you place a corner there then?
23:35 khonkhortisan stand on it?
23:35 Uberi the corner D? what if it's a building?
23:35 khonkhortisan I would stand on the node I would place the corner on
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23:36 Uberi hmm, that could work, but it's sort of counterintuitive
23:36 khonkhortisan And only need to place one node to have the corner oriented correctly
23:37 khonkhortisan It's also counterintuitive that you have to be on the side of an insulated wire to extend it, while you can be looking straight at an uninsulated wire and backing up to extend it
23:37 khonkhortisan -but I wouldn't change that
23:39 khonkhortisan I ask you, what's worse? Counterintuitive placement, or triple placement?
23:40 khonkhortisan I don't know.
23:45 mauvebic atlantis - 512^3 ~ 24m and going lol
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23:47 mauvebic 26.4mb lol
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23:59 pierreghz I can't craft a Mese pickaxe with the devel version O_o
23:59 Uberi what recipe? what game?
23:59 Uberi also, what version?

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