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00:00 crackerenherbe [deleted]
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00:00 sokomine feel free to come back tomorrow again :-)
00:00 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:00 sokomine and start a thread in the forreign-language-part of the forum!
00:00 sapier still someone else doing bad things doesn't justify self doing bad things ;-)
00:01 sokomine just here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=8  there you can start a thread in french
00:01 RealBadAngel huh, Redpower2 got updated
00:01 sokomine no. but reading a stored worldedit export seems less worse than providing players with a precompiled binary they can't even check :-)
00:01 xming MT should just chroot() after it's started and before loading the lua vm
00:02 RealBadAngel need to watch some direwolf20's videos
00:02 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:02 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:02 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:03 sokomine tomorrow? tomorrow is sunday?
00:03 sapier chroot would be good but isn't always practical
00:03 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:03 sokomine (ok, or today, depends on how you count...)
00:03 RealBadAngel it is sunday here already ;)
00:03 xming it's today :D
00:03 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:03 sokomine yeah :-) i fully agree to the today :-)
00:03 sokomine same time zone, craker
00:03 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:04 xming only the lagging part of the world where Sunday is tomorrow :p
00:04 sapier but changes to get lots of security improvement without chroot are minor ;-)
00:04 sokomine hm. chroot might be nice :-)
00:04 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:04 xming sapier: chroot(), only contains things to MT itself, are you also talking about sandboxing each mod?
00:04 xming ChauffeR: salut
00:05 sapier yes but you need to setup your chroot environment which isn't quite easy
00:05 sokomine still - there are situations where writing and reading files is required for the functionality. it just ought to happen in a controllable way
00:05 xming damn he left, and irssi's auot-complete bit me again :/
00:05 sapier sokomine plz give an example
00:05 xming sapier: I don't mean setting up chroot, I said chroot()
00:05 sokomine this is an entire account created for untrustworthy things (like minecraft)
00:06 sokomine (that's why it has that strange user name :-))
00:07 sapier still this doesn't protect data minetest needs to run from evil mods
00:07 xming that's correct
00:07 sapier example for an evil mod:
00:07 sokomine sapier: the worldedit exports are a perfectly good example. the purpose of those save files is to export buildings from one server and import them into another without having to build everything anew
00:07 xming firefox has been fighting with that for a long time
00:08 sokomine if you can think of a better way of transfering those buildings...well...think of one, put it into a mod and get redcrab to install it so that we can download our creations :) (ok, getting redcrab is unfair...)
00:08 sapier identify machine, download binary code, call downloaded exploit --> root priviledges on machine
00:08 sapier this is possible with current minetest version
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00:09 xming root? why root?
00:09 sokomine yes :-(
00:09 xming who runs MT as root?
00:09 khonkhortisan the mod creates a separate executable so minetestserver doesn't have to stay running
00:09 khonkhortisan xming, you don't have to be root/admin to gain it
00:09 sapier you don't need to run it as root there are lots of localy exploitable bugs in almost any os
00:09 sokomine the root access is provided by the downloaded machine-specific exploit sapier mentioned
00:09 xming yes, but that's not MT's issue
00:10 khonkhortisan it the mod downloader's issue
00:10 sapier no but it'd be easy to avoid this
00:10 xming that the bad one gets local access, that's MT's issue
00:10 sapier there are many points you can stop this from happening
00:11 sapier 1) prohibit mods from downloading arbitrary content
00:11 sapier 2) prohibit mods from storing files
00:11 xming after that if he get root, it's not MT's issue
00:11 sapier 3) prohibit mods from executing arbitrary commands
00:12 sapier MT made all this possible so this IS a MT issue
00:12 sokomine still needs a method to allow specific mods to get around those limitations. could be limited to a selected amount of mods
00:12 sapier if you give a firearm to child you can't tell "it's not my fault" if he shoots someone
00:13 xming sapier: yes, it's MT's issue that it's exloitable, but not MT's responsibility it one gains root, except if MT can be exploited to gain root
00:13 xming and of course I agree that the mods should be contained
00:13 sokomine yes. that would be good
00:14 xming IMHO, the lua VM should be sandboxed
00:14 sapier sokomine I'm still waiting for a single legit reason why a mod would need that priviledges
00:14 sokomine can it be?
00:14 sapier no
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00:14 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:14 xming then ask explicit permissin from the user to do 1) and 2)
00:14 crackerenherbe [deleted]
00:14 sapier but you can remove those lua modules that contain critical features
00:14 sokomine sapier: the read-and-write-files privileges? to store data that the user wants to be exported or imported and to store data between server restarts
00:15 xming IMHO 1) can be stripped
00:15 sapier you can already save data between server restarts with current minetest api
00:15 xming there should be no valid reasons for it, except auto-update
00:15 sapier I've issued a pull request some hours ago to store data world specific too
00:15 sokomine with 3), 1) becomes a subpoint (3) includes 1) mostly)
00:16 sokomine ok. storing data world specific would be good. it still needs a way to transfer them from one wolrd to another if the user wants to
00:16 sokomine sapier: how? apart from your pull request?
00:16 sapier xming auto update should be included within core imho
00:17 xming sapier: I agree
00:17 sapier minetest.settings_set()
00:17 sapier minetest.settings_get()
00:17 sapier minetest.settings_save()
00:17 sokomine auto-update...hmmmm.....no. only as an option.
00:17 xming sapier: so why not sanboxing lua VM, and ask user to give certain mods the perms?
00:17 sapier to have auto update there first needs to be a package format defined so this is another problem
00:18 sokomine these settings...are those the ones that get written into a text file in the world folder?
00:18 xming everyting deemed "would be not safe" will need explicit perms settings
00:18 sapier xming "sandboxing" is a nice buzzword
00:18 sokomine (settings != data.....might be pushing it a bit if several mb of data get written into a setting variable)
00:19 sapier sokomine what's diference between text and data?
00:19 xming sapier: stripping all the "harmful" functions from lua, and make them only callable when settings are met?
00:20 khonkhortisan worldedit needs to save, and would have that perm.
00:20 sapier this would require a complete rewrite of lua code ... which most likely won't happen
00:20 sapier BUT
00:20 sapier you can disable all "harmfule" modules and implement legit ones in minetest api
00:21 sapier worldedit doesn't need it to save it USES it to save
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00:21 Muadtralk whats the thingy to get the players inventory in lua
00:21 sapier I addume it'd be less than half an our to fix worldedit to use settings storage
00:22 Muadtralk player:inventory_get_list("main") the newer version of this usage I mean
00:22 sapier player:get_inventory()
00:23 sapier player:get_inventory():contains_item("main","some item")
00:23 sapier player:get_inventory():add_item("main","some item")
00:23 xming sapier: ah that sounds sane
00:23 jin_xi hmm, is it possible at all to get a ] to show up in a label in a formspec? weird...
00:23 sapier i don't know of any escape sequence support for formspecs
00:24 jin_xi well, there seems to be some weirdness with them... or me
00:24 sapier xming there are 3 critical lua modules os, io and the one responsible for loading modules
00:25 sapier disabling them will avoid most security problems
00:25 * jin_xi will go back to making easier mods
00:27 sapier in that pull request doing this I've done all this ... the only thing I didn't was reimplementing privs storage format in lua (doen't change anything within minetest but makes auth file less editable with texteditor)
00:29 telek At the risk of asking something stupid: Why not replace the OS/file stuff with a sqlite DB? The only real feature of minetest that seems to need direct system-level access would be the mapping util, and it's already external to the minetest server/client anyway.
00:30 FreeFull Worldedit is internal
00:30 sapier there's already someone working on database support for minetest ... I don't know how good this is
00:31 sapier but of course you're right this would be best
00:32 FreeFull Remove file manip stuff access, and have your own file api that restricts permissions sounds good
00:32 sapier file manip is only part of problem
00:32 sapier execution of arbitrary files is another one
00:32 FreeFull That would be removed entirely
00:33 sapier exactly
00:33 sokomine for most purposes i don't care how the game stores data internally. as long as it stores it over server restart. for that purpsose an internal api (that could use files and later migrate to a db) would be great
00:33 sapier there are some legit functions affected too .. e.g. get current time but they can be implemented in minetest api
00:34 FreeFull sokomine: For worldedit you want to be able to exchange files containing your creations
00:34 sapier sokomine world_settings feature does exactly this
00:34 sokomine yes. i mentioned worldedit already
00:34 sapier it although isolates settings for one world from another
00:35 sapier to achieve this you could create a separate lua script run from console to export your creations from minetest internal storage
00:36 sapier it's still not perfect but at least user has to call this script on purpose
00:38 sokomine can it be on a per-mod-base?
00:39 sapier what do you mean with it?
00:39 sokomine i.e. your own mod on your own server = can do anything. mod which hasn't been given special privileges: can't do dangerous things
00:40 sapier no you can't isolate mods from each other it's a all or nothing decision
00:40 sokomine server mods sometimes need to do some things which requires i/o
00:41 sapier sokomine you keep telling mods require it ... I'm still waiting for a usecase ... that one with exchangeing buildings isn't quite a server usecase
00:41 sokomine oh yes it is. a very important case for players
00:42 sapier but it's not a big difference if this is done by mod or by player calling a script
00:42 sokomine example for server: connection to irc, authentication according to who's authed in the forum, saving statistical data in an external database (ok, could be internal)
00:43 sapier you want to auth against irc? ... if you're doing that silly things you can disable security ;-P
00:43 sokomine maybe a server with selected modules might turn security off...though on a server it ought to be tighter..
00:43 sokomine no :-)
00:44 sokomine auth against forum is a real case of usage
00:44 EduardeCalibal I have a depend unsatisfected in my mods, the name is plants_lib for the mod moretrees_master.  Someone know the url of this mod?
00:44 sapier then someone didn't have any knowledge about security issues at all
00:44 sokomine an external program checks for some criterium and writes that to a file. a mod checks that file upon player login and grants/denies interact
00:45 sokomine vanessae wrote that mod :-)
00:45 sokomine go to https://github.com/VanessaE
00:46 sokomine pick up homedecor while there
00:46 sapier no offence but reading security related data without any encryption isn't by any means secure
00:46 sokomine no it isn't. it is just considered good enough for that purpose
00:47 sapier there already is a special auth file which can be accessed by minetest api why not use this file to exchange privilege information?
00:48 EduardeCalibal Thanks.
00:49 sapier privileges aren't a special mod feature but should be implemented in core imho
00:51 sokomine good question. maybe the mod uses that. i'd have to take a closer look at it
00:52 sokomine if the security can at least be turned off if needed and the api is useful enough then it would be a very good idea. it's just that security and usability are usually two diffrent sides
00:52 sapier in current version this file is read using lua io but I've replaced this by core api in my changeset ... of course as I've changed file format old format wouldn't work without modification
00:53 sapier of course it's already configurable per config file
00:53 sokomine for example, i can't download from your favorite mediafire site because that requires javascript and i don't want to allow it because it's not needed for download. fortunately, you have the github site as well
00:54 * Kacey wants to make a cpu with mesecons
00:54 sokomine just do so :-) (but not on my computer :))
00:54 * khonkhortisan wants to warn you of https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/75
00:55 Kacey i dont hae that bug
00:55 khonkhortisan Are you sure?
00:56 Kacey yep
00:56 Kacey i have update clocks all over sometimes when things get big
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00:57 khonkhortisan what's an update clock?
00:57 Kacey i make a clock, and leave it running near a piece that doesnt like to update
00:58 khonkhortisan Does it have to be connected?
00:58 Kacey no
01:07 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xISG4nGTQYE nice
01:08 * VanessaE is back.  yay.
01:09 VanessaE EduardeCalibal: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3898
01:09 VanessaE (for your missing plantlife/plants_lib)
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01:12 EduardeCalibal Thanks.
01:13 EduardeCalibal But I have another problem who cause this message, your mod already is here, now I have another error, another, another...  Never end.
01:13 EduardeCalibal :-o
01:13 EduardeCalibal Now I have a error with pipe_master, some about mod name...
01:15 sokomine strange. underscores where iirc ok....
01:16 Kacey making an adder...
01:16 VanessaE pipe_master?  you mean pipeworks yes?
01:17 VanessaE it is probably pipeworks-master-blahblahblah (I never see the foldername since I use git to manage it).  rename the folder to just "pipeworks" and try again
01:19 EduardeCalibal I removed all mods now.  I try add one-by-one...
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01:22 * khonkhortisan wants to make a memory card out of mesecons and hook it up to his computer
01:23 sokomine *g*
01:23 jin_xi http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69340 here. i give up for now.
01:23 khonkhortisan yay, turtle!
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01:27 jin_xi invisible turtles
01:28 khonkhortisan oh
01:29 khonkhortisan it's like kturtle, but in 3d and with a different language
01:29 sokomine the trees?
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01:37 * Kacey has made an adder :P
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01:50 Kacey anyone?
01:52 MiJyn yeah?
01:55 MiJyn * Kacey has made an adder :P
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01:55 MiJyn O_o
01:55 MiJyn xD jk
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02:03 curiousNoob Hi, I'm kind of new. and I was looking at some of the code. What is the PEER ID used for in communication, and when s it agreed upon/determined for a given connection?
02:05 Kacey idk
02:06 curiousNoob Kacey: That really doesn't help, is there a doc I should be looking at?
02:07 Kacey i think it is what number (as in people joined) you are + 2
02:08 Kacey because in singleplayer a am peerid=3
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02:09 curiousNoob Yeah, but when is it sent in the network protocol? TOCLIENT_INIT?
02:09 curiousNoob Is it requested in TOSERVER_INIT?
02:10 * Kacey has no idea beyond that
02:10 curiousNoob Do you know who I should ask?
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02:11 Kacey either celeron55 or one of the devs
02:11 MiJyn @curiousNoob, RBA? c55?
02:12 VanessaE there.  that'll show it who's boss.
02:12 * VanessaE kicks her computer's ass.
02:13 curiousNoob Would they mind my using /msg?
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02:18 * curiousNoob worries about annoying authority by contacting them directly about peer IDs.
02:18 VanessaE actually c55 doesn't particularly like being msg'd
02:19 VanessaE RBA is likely in bed by now but usually is okay.  What is your question that would need /msg ?
02:19 curiousNoob I was unsure how peer ids were allocated.
02:19 VanessaE oh
02:19 VanessaE heh, that's definitely a dev question :-)
02:20 curiousNoob I can't find a packet in clientserver.h that mentions a peer ID being assigned,
02:20 curiousNoob I'm actually making a PHP-based bot.
02:20 VanessaE but it is sufficient to just ask here, and try again later (say in 8 to 10 hours so you get a different set of people online) if you don't get an answer
02:21 curiousNoob OK, thanks!
02:21 curiousNoob I'm actually rarkenin, but I screwed up Freenode registration and got locket out.
02:21 curiousNoob *locked*
02:21 VanessaE ah
02:22 VanessaE tip:  put a "_" after your usual nick when that happens
02:22 curiousNoob Oh, OK.
02:22 VanessaE there's your answer :D
02:22 VanessaE (-dev)
02:22 rarkenin_ Yup.
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02:23 FreeFull rarkenin_: Contant freenode staff in #freenode to unlock it
02:23 telek VanessaE: You only hit your computer if the fan's stuck or the hard disk won't spin up :D
02:23 telek And that's only a temporary fix :D
02:23 VanessaE telek: nonono I kicked its ass, virtually ;-)
02:23 telek Oh okay :D
02:24 VanessaE and in the process, moved my minetest server to a completely non-privileged account.
02:27 VanessaE (which I know I shoulda done before)
02:28 sapier :-) seems my complains do have at least some positive effect
02:44 Kacey AAGH!!!!!!
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03:10 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xISG4nGTQYE someone tell me that the full adder diagram is wrong
03:13 VanessaE from transistors?!
03:13 VanessaE jeez, talk about going low-level
03:14 Muadtralk http://i1.minus.com/imcgltKe9A74U.png RAWR!
03:15 Muadtralk its nosferatu
03:15 NakedFury give him a bear
03:15 NakedFury beard
03:15 Kacey but is his full adder circut wrong?
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03:16 Muadtralk but nosferatu doesn't have a beard.......
03:18 VanessaE Kacey: I think his circuit is correct, but overcomplicated
03:19 VanessaE a full adder can be done with fewer gates than he's using, but as he's doing this in RTL, it'll be more complicated
03:20 Kacey how do i take a screenshot on xubuntu?
03:21 VanessaE printscreen
03:21 VanessaE I think it snaps a shot and saves to disk right away by default
03:21 VanessaE no dialog box
03:22 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaGYwNA/Screenshot%20-%2002092013%20-%2008:21:32%20PM.png i had to add an OR gate to get it to work
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03:24 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlVlX5jX9AQ huh
03:24 khonkhortisan Your and has a wire going through it
03:25 Kacey i know but ooh well
03:28 NakedFury anyone interested in a beta invite for sins of a dark age? [moba game from sins of a solar empire makers] PC game
03:37 khonkhortisan Kacey, what do you build the clock with? Delayers?
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03:38 Muadtralk sounds intergueing nakedfury please tell me more
03:39 NakedFury https://www.sinsofadarkage.com/
03:39 NakedFury i got 9 invites for it but im not a player
03:39 mauvebic i played sins of solar empire, graphics were cool but battles sucked ass
03:39 NakedFury dont like the moba genre
03:40 NakedFury I was always poor on that game
03:40 mauvebic ships cant attack while moving, theyre stationary in battles
03:40 mauvebic even homeworld 1 has better battle physics and its much older lol
03:40 Muadtralk hmmmmm sounds interesting enough
03:41 NakedFury I play Star Ruler from time to time. it has real moving physics in that ships dont stop in space normaly
03:41 NakedFury they need smae amount of speed to stop.
03:42 mauvebic anyways all the best space games now are subscription based so screw that lol
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03:43 mauvebic + youre either always stuck with a procedural evolution path, or you can evolve one of a few limited ways but not very creatively
03:43 NakedFury I would like moving space battles but  certain unrealism in that ships dont have to be half the trip to another star un reverse to stop momentum
03:44 mauvebic in sins of solar empire you have to build up colonies but thats nothing more than pressing buttons
03:44 NakedFury yeah
03:44 mauvebic i get more of a kick out of building them on minetest lol
03:45 NakedFury a really deep and complex game where you could build both ships and planet structures would be nice
03:45 NakedFury like how spore allows you to decide how they look
03:46 Muadtralk nakedfury may I please get a beta invite? I do wish to try out this thing! :P
03:46 mauvebic with the processing power available today you should be able to come up with basic variable designs of ships ingame
03:46 sokomine what does moba mean?
03:47 sokomine i did like the old elite first encounter very much
03:47 Muadtralk multiplayer online battle arena or many onion burgers are acidic
03:47 Muadtralk or something else :P
03:47 mauvebic in the last ten years tho ive been disapointed with the lack of progress in graphics for space games, *looks* like pretty much the same engines
03:48 mauvebic tho that dont surprise me either - theyd rather sell you expansion packs than actually work on it lol
03:48 NakedFury Galactic Civilizations 2 allowed you to designs your space ships
03:49 mauvebic and with legalised (read $$$$) cheating, its just no fun for those of us who wont waste money to advance
03:49 mauvebic ain't no fundie and ain't got daddy's credit card lol
03:49 NakedFury waiting for keys to reach my email
03:50 NakedFury must be lost on transit
03:50 sokomine ah. thanks for the translation of moba
03:50 * Kacey wants to set up his old dell to run a minetest server 24/7
03:51 mauvebic you could
03:51 mauvebic remove the DE
03:52 NakedFury well if anyone is interested tell me, must be windows pc.
03:52 mauvebic simply tty, run the server from there, more ram for the rest
03:52 Kacey ?
03:53 mauvebic well if you want max performance from an old computer to run a server, dont load the DE, you don't need it for minetestserver i think
03:53 Kacey de?
03:53 mauvebic might need netcfg for a connection though unless the kernel does it
03:54 Kacey i need linux on it first lol
03:54 mauvebic grab arch or slack, stick with open/fluxbox
03:54 Kacey http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim2400/en/sm_en/specs.htm sounds like mine (but mine has more RAM)
03:54 sokomine if anyone's intrestet in my teleporter network mod (still lacks a lot - just good for basic testing and looking how useful it is): https://github.com/Sokomine/travelnet
03:54 Kacey xubuntu if any
03:55 mauvebic you dont need the bloat of ubuntu just to run a server :p
03:56 Kacey im thinking leave xp on it
03:56 mauvebic you have less than a gig of ram? forget it
03:56 Kacey it runs fine with xp on it with the extra ram
03:56 mauvebic NPC's will have an easier time connecting lol
03:57 Muadtralk muavebic less then a gig not enough?
03:57 Kacey how do i check system specs on xubuntu?
03:57 Kacey http://support.acer.com/acerpanam/netbook/0000/Acer/AspireOneAOD250/AspireOneAOD250sp2.shtml my laptop
03:58 sokomine cat /proc/cpuinfo for example. top gives some basic information as well
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04:01 Kacey i only have a single core :(
04:02 mauvebic you can run a server but dont go crazy with mods lol
04:02 sokomine mt as such doesn't use more than one core
04:02 Muadtralk :P
04:02 Kacey my dell has 2 cores
04:02 mauvebic yeah but the other specs are no better
04:02 Muadtralk somehow I now remember how raphael had a server with crazy amounts of mods
04:02 Kacey my acer kinda sucks
04:03 Muadtralk and it ran on a piece of shit IIRC
04:03 sokomine as long as there's no mapgen..........
04:03 mauvebic seriously were not talking singleplayer lol
04:04 mauvebic assume you have half adozen players loading new chunks and building shit lol
04:04 Kacey my acer runs a server just fine
04:04 Muadtralk half a dozen?
04:04 Muadtralk art thou mad?
04:04 Kacey as long as there are no more than 3 people on...
04:04 Muadtralk you know with the far too large amount of minetest servers per player
04:04 mauvebic on the avg server yeah but thats cuz 2/3 are powertrippin' lol
04:05 mauvebic mayors, admins, overseers, etc. lol
04:05 Muadtralk 1 admin
04:05 Muadtralk always 1 admin
04:05 Muadtralk get it through your heads!
04:05 Muadtralk stop using plural!
04:05 mauvebic my server there are 2 with all rights
04:05 Muadtralk both access to the physical server?
04:06 Muadtralk both own it?
04:06 mauvebic have two towers, two screens on the same big desk yeah lol
04:06 Muadtralk hmmmmmm
04:06 Muadtralk okay then
04:06 mauvebic P4 is like an old car now lol just use it for simple taks
04:07 Muadtralk P3 is cooler :P
04:07 mauvebic netbook i have is only good for running servers too, the gfx are effed up
04:07 mauvebic oboard intel
04:08 mauvebic colourful polygons
04:08 mauvebic epileptic seizures lol
04:14 telek Eww
04:14 telek P3 definitely better.
04:14 telek Tiny little cooler and even at 1ghz with a constant string of compiles going on no higher than 51C
04:15 telek P4 will be creeping towards 60-65C on the same workload.
04:15 mauvebic for what a computer or processor costs these days, i dont really care whats under the hood lol its easy to replace
04:16 mauvebic i shopped more wisely when we were talking 2K min a computer back when 2K was worth more
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04:42 khonkhortisan Does technic have redpower-like frames?
04:43 VanessaE yes
04:43 VanessaE those were just added recently in fact
04:43 VanessaE RBA's been testing them on my server
04:43 khonkhortisan ah, I had to update
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04:49 khonkhortisan Flying into ground without noclip gives a lot of walking sounds
04:49 VanessaE ...which sound like farting.
04:49 khonkhortisan on glass more than dirt
04:49 VanessaE yezh
04:49 VanessaE yeah*
04:49 Menche also climbing down a ladder on grass
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05:00 ShadowNinja Menche: have you had a chance to test the converter yet?
05:01 Menche no, what's the links?
05:01 Menche *link
05:01 ShadowNinja http://ubuntuone.com/4vrj3KlpetpT2PAbha6epO
05:03 Menche NameError: name 'os' is not defined
05:04 ShadowNinja it was two files I combined for you, one sec...
05:05 ShadowNinja line number?
05:05 Menche 63
05:05 Menche ('', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', '', ''),
05:05 Menche oh, and is it for python 3 or python 2?
05:07 ShadowNinja python 2 because PIL doesn't support python 3 and it should be fixed, I forgot to move the imports up
05:07 mauvebic python versions
05:07 mauvebic http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachments/electric-off-road/991806d1352788349-what-has-been-your-most-solid-rc-aliens-meme.jpg
05:09 Menche ImportError: No module named texturedata
05:10 ShadowNinja fixed
05:11 ShadowNinja this time I will test
05:11 Menche what library is "texturedata" from?
05:12 ShadowNinja it was the name of the second file, it had all the tables
05:12 Menche ok, i commented that and moved the imports to the top
05:12 Menche it runs but doesn't appear to do anything
05:13 ShadowNinja it doesn't print anything normaly, use -vvv
05:14 Menche now it appears to work and generate images, but http://pastebin.com/QiGg9DsS
05:16 ShadowNinja it runs so fast it doesn't have time to read the files it makes lol, fixed
05:16 Menche now testing the product in-game
05:17 Menche does it save the break animation? iirc their oriented differently so that would be hard
05:17 Menche s/their/they're
05:17 ShadowNinja yes
05:17 Menche oh ok
05:17 Menche looks like the normal one
05:18 ShadowNinja is it in textures/all?
05:18 Menche yes
05:18 Menche should it be crack_anylenght.png?
05:18 Menche i have animation_crack_10.png,animation_crack_1.png,animation_crack_2.png,animation_crack_3.png,animation_crack_4.png,animation_crack_5.png,animation_crack_6.png,animation_crack_7.png,animation_crack_8.png,animation_crack_9.png
05:19 Menche a bunch of files
05:19 ShadowNinja re-run it with the new version
05:19 Menche link? same one?
05:20 ShadowNinja I think the old error stoped it from doing animations
05:20 ShadowNinja yes, same
05:21 Menche i think U1 uses a different link
05:21 Menche its the same as original
05:21 Menche *i think U1 uses a different link each time you upload
05:22 ShadowNinja http://ubuntuone.com/4vrj3KlpetpT2PAbha6epO
05:23 ShadowNinja nope, works for me
05:23 Menche ok, got the new texture, but some of the texture seems to have an opaque background
05:23 Menche s/texture/break animation
05:23 ShadowNinja like leaves?
05:24 Menche the block turns gray when the break animation is on
05:24 ShadowNinja hmmm, what tp are you using?
05:25 Menche http://jolicraft.com/
05:25 Menche and sorry for being so picky, but biome-dependent stuff seems really bright
05:25 Menche like grass, leaves
05:27 ShadowNinja yea, I made leaves realy bright, I will change that back
05:27 ShadowNinja and it looks like the issue is the tp
05:27 ShadowNinja it is gray in terrain.png
05:33 ShadowNinja if you want you can change the lines around 190 to get the leaves looking how you want
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05:37 Menche lava and water aren't converted?
05:39 ShadowNinja no, they are animated diferently than the crack
05:40 ShadowNinja idk why the same water/lava textures shows up 5 times
05:41 Menche other than the liquids, junglegrass, bright grass, and some of moreblocks, it works great
05:43 ShadowNinja thank you, unfortunately I can't change the grass side texture so I made the top one look similar
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09:58 codile ...
09:59 berome hello codile
09:59 codile hello berome
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10:06 panadro hi all
10:08 berome :-)
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11:21 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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11:32 KikaRz hi
11:33 KikaRz Well... Jordach
11:33 KikaRz i've seen you in AoS IRC...
11:33 KikaRz :P
11:39 jin_xi hi PilzAdam
11:39 Jordach jin_xi, nice work on the forth building turtke#
11:39 Jordach turtle
11:40 jin_xi thanks, it was kinda frustrating though
11:40 jin_xi still no nested or compiled loops... i just don't seem to get it :(
11:41 Jordach jin_xi, you still made the painting mod
11:41 jin_xi yeah, idk what the situation with crafting colors is atm
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12:58 PilzAdam huch? codile ist ja auch hier :D
12:58 codile jup :D
12:59 Jordach english please
13:00 PilzAdam Jordach, this was a cross-channel joke
13:00 Jordach okay
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13:12 Jordach morning Gambit
13:17 Jordach anyone about?
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13:23 rubenwardy hi all
13:23 PilzAdam hey rubenwardy
13:24 rubenwardy any news... ?
13:24 PilzAdam merged some minor pull requests: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master
13:27 proller rubenwardy, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/482
13:29 rubenwardy proller: wow
13:30 rubenwardy so cool
13:30 rubenwardy does it have a turn on/off setting in conf?
13:30 proller yes
13:32 rubenwardy awesome
13:33 PilzAdam proller, the lowest state of water should be removed if a air is next to
13:33 rubenwardy so cool
13:33 * Jordach is mining the FUCK out of VanessaE's server
13:34 rubenwardy do I have the pleasure of having some of my code there, or is it 100% new?
13:34 rubenwardy :P
13:34 rubenwardy ping: proller
13:35 proller its fully new
13:36 rubenwardy awesome
13:36 rubenwardy well done
13:36 proller PilzAdam, next to by x or z ?
13:40 PilzAdam proller, Im talking about things like this to be removed: http://www.zimg.eu/i/533123366
13:41 proller hm. removed why?
13:42 PilzAdam because it wouldnt stay like this in RL
13:44 PilzAdam it should be also easier for two flowing liquids to turn into a source block
13:44 PilzAdam maybe use the source block animation for when two flowing liquids have the same height
13:46 PilzAdam also use update more frequent in slower steps to get a better animation
13:47 PilzAdam also a whole ocean turns into flowing nodes if one block next to it is removed
13:47 PilzAdam and the server gets really slow
13:49 PilzAdam I get tons of graphical glitches in oceans
13:49 PilzAdam and one cave has decreased the level of the ocean by 2
13:50 proller now you can collect one poured block to one
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13:54 proller some ocean glitches from map generator - air below water
13:56 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/482#issuecomment-13350096
14:00 PilzAdam proller, dont get me wrong, you have done a nice work, but its not in a state where it can be merged upstream
14:02 * rubenwardy is trying http://opencv.org/
14:02 rubenwardy woops
14:03 * Jordach trolololololols
14:04 rubenwardy OpenCV is 27%
14:04 rubenwardy built
14:05 rubenwardy much bigger than Minetest. 34% built
14:06 rubenwardy 42% lol
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14:10 proller PilzAdam, i will fix critical bugs, and then maybe merge with disabled by default?
14:13 PilzAdam depends on how you fix the bugs :-)
14:14 PilzAdam but disable it by default
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14:30 rubenwardy !joke
14:30 rubenwardy meh
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14:46 Kacey hi all
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15:06 * Jordach considers writing a minecraft server that also supports the minetest protocol
15:08 * Kacey considers setting up his old dell to run a server
15:08 * Jordach heads back into VanessaE's server
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15:28 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdT1YT9AOPA how? IMPOSIBU!
15:28 Kacey imposibru
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15:34 FreeFull Kacey: Someone made computers out of those things o.o
15:35 Jordach i can build an ak-47 with legos that shoots legos
15:39 Kacey i can throw legos at people
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15:40 TheBonsai o/
15:40 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzdOfikcNxg i am determined to make a better one
15:41 TheBonsai is there a way to include a texture pack on server side in the games/ area to make on-connect-server-deployed texture packs possible?
15:46 TheBonsai Kacey: make a working one :D
15:47 sapier Bonsai this is already done
15:47 sapier textures get transfered on connect
15:48 TheBonsai it somehow doesn't work then. where do i need to place the textures in games/$gameid/ subdirectory?
15:49 sapier hmm I don't know I haven't tried for some time
15:50 TheBonsai if it's possible i can find out, never mind. i just wasn't sure it would work at all
15:50 sapier ok mod textures are loaded from mods
15:51 sapier as default is a mod to you should be able to replace all textures by replacing them in their texture subfolder
15:52 sapier be warned if you add hires textures clients may need lot of time to connect
15:53 TheBonsai yes, naturally. i'll try to substitute default mod textures then as next try. thanks for the hint
15:58 proller PilzAdam, now a bit better
15:58 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly1BLt0s0zI&amp;feature=endscreen he wont shut up
15:59 * VanessaE wanders in
15:59 VanessaE good morning all.
16:00 Kacey morning v
16:00 PilzAdam hey VanessaE
16:00 VanessaE hi
16:00 Jordach VanessaE, ive done something on your server by hand
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16:01 VanessaE you "mined the fuck out of it"...
16:01 VanessaE I didn't know my server had any fuck at all :-)
16:01 NekoGloop Seems legit.
16:01 Jordach NekoGloop, gloop with a cloak? AWESOME
16:01 VanessaE morning Neko
16:01 Jordach -gloop
16:01 NekoGloop lol
16:01 NekoGloop My "GloopMaster" character wears a cloak xD
16:02 VanessaE Jordach: dayum!
16:02 Kacey my "Kacey" character has wings (no he didnt drink alot of red bull)
16:03 NekoGloop wut?
16:04 VanessaE NekoGloop: "Redbull gives you wwiiings!"
16:04 NekoGloop ?
16:04 NekoGloop Oh, Kacey said something, I'll bet.
16:05 PilzAdam proller, the queue is just too big
16:05 PilzAdam it takes 30 sec. until the block I placed gets updated
16:05 proller PilzAdam, near ocean ?
16:06 PilzAdam yep
16:07 PilzAdam and there are still too many graphic glitsches
16:07 PilzAdam *glitches
16:07 proller ocean will calm in some minutes
16:08 proller its not big problem in long game
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16:09 proller glitches from current water renderer, it needs to remake
16:10 proller and they must calm too
16:10 Jordach VanessaE, thats around 16 hours of work
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16:13 Kacey server shut down
16:13 Jordach uh oh
16:14 Jordach VanessaE might have worldediteds
16:14 proller PilzAdam, i think about transform 5-10 times per second with 100-500 blocks, and increase water viscosity for more realistic
16:15 Kacey !up vanessae.mine.bz
16:15 Minetest-tan vanessae.mine.bz:30000 is up (0.235ms)
16:15 sapier 500 -5000 blocks per second modified? ... whooo ... does core handle this?
16:17 proller sapier, 500-1000 not a problem
16:17 sapier 10*500 is 5000
16:18 sapier what machine are you talking about? what modifications do you do?
16:18 rubenwardy finite water
16:18 proller https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/482
16:19 proller my notebook with i5 make 5000-10000
16:19 sapier ok .. you're doing it from core not lua
16:20 proller of course, in lua 500 is big problem
16:20 sapier I know that's why I was asking ;-)
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16:27 john_minetest why are there so many stupid people out there? :*(
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16:31 PilzAdam New win32 gettext build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
16:33 Calinou bigger, faster, safer, stronger: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=509
16:33 Calinou </mega>
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16:51 VanessaE Jordach: actually it crashed, but like an idiot I rm'd the log when I meant to view it.
16:51 jojoa1997 PilzAdam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69440#p69440
16:52 VanessaE morning jojoa1997
16:52 jojoa1997 hi VanessaE
16:52 VanessaE PilzAdam: are you going to push RBA's itemstack fix?
16:52 jojoa1997 VanessaE: your 256 texture pack still gives me the bad allocation error so i switched back to the 64px
16:53 VanessaE it takes tons of memory to use the bigger sizes
16:53 VanessaE like 4GB for the 256px size
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16:53 jojoa1997 it takes my pc an hour to download it
16:54 jojoa1997 is PilzAdam here?
16:54 VanessaE he was.....
16:55 Calinou after starting minetest in singleplayer, default pack: 160MB used
16:55 Calinou 512× HDX: 2500MB used
16:55 Calinou 21% of my RAM, not bad
16:55 jojoa1997 everyone should do like sfan5 and when they are go change the nick to <name>|OFF
16:55 VanessaE Calinou: it takes over 3GB for me, but I have lots of mods.
16:56 VanessaE more mods = more loaded textures I guess
16:56 Calinou VanessaE: /me added wood tiles to moreblocks, time to add it to HDX :)
16:56 Calinou a few mods here
16:56 mauvebic jojoa thats communism :p
16:56 VanessaE wood tiles?
16:56 Calinou but I wonder how a 100MB pack is using so much RAM...
16:56 jojoa1997 VanessaE could you add textures for the armor mod
16:56 Calinou VanessaE: some decorative block
16:56 Calinou heh, I get freezes when opening inventory with 512× HDX, generating visuals
16:56 VanessaE jojoa1997: maybe.
16:56 Calinou 2800MB RAM used now
16:57 VanessaE Calinou: that's because rendering those items was not properly multithreaded.
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17:12 Jordach !up vanessae.mine.bz:30000
17:12 Minetest-tan Jordach: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
17:12 Minetest-tan vanessae.mine.bz:30000 is up (0.240ms)
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17:12 Jordach thexyz, sfan5: bullshit line warning:
17:12 Jordach <Minetest-tan> Jordach: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
17:12 VanessaE Jordach: it always comes right back up after a restart.  it's on a loop.
17:13 sfan5 Jordach: umm...
17:13 Jordach when this.address.does.not.exist.still.works:30000
17:13 VanessaE if the syntax "has changed", why does it bother to accept the old syntax?
17:14 mauvebic to confuse y'all
17:14 mauvebic :p
17:14 sapier can someone plz test https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/435 I've reimplemented your auth.txt file format so those strange auth mainpulation tools out there will still work
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17:15 sfan5 Jordach, mauvebic, VanessaE: here you go  https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/commit/90dfcf47cb2549e97c101042bde953ae6b5f7223
17:15 mauvebic i was only kidding sfan5 :P :-)
17:16 sfan5 i just thought about accepting the old syntax myself and...
17:16 mauvebic im the king of legacy chat commands lol with everything in the inventory now
17:16 sapier sfan5 am I correct that worldedit is your mod?
17:16 sfan5 yes
17:17 sapier is there any chance for a more sophisticated save file format in some future than dumping world contents in block?
17:17 mauvebic whats the format?
17:17 sapier just dump every non air node to file
17:17 mauvebic i gots mod:nodename~pos~param2\n
17:17 sapier node by node
17:18 mauvebic if people could add their schems to MTC that would like 10^10 the number of spawning lots lol
17:19 Jordach VanessaE, server died
17:19 mauvebic im surprised their ain't a schem/bp thread for showing off /sharing buildings (unless i missed it)
17:19 VanessaE eek, so it did
17:19 jin_xi a placse to upload and share schems would be nice
17:19 Jordach !up vanessae.mine.bz:30000
17:19 sfan5 sapier: Uberi invented the same format
17:19 Minetest-tan Jordach: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
17:19 Minetest-tan vanessae.mine.bz:30000 is up (0.397ms)
17:19 VanessaE sethome mod is b0rk3d.
17:20 sfan5 Jordach: thexyz didn't do "git pull" yet
17:20 VanessaE 12:19:19: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaE
17:20 VanessaE rror: error: .../.minetest/games/vanessae_game/mods/sethome/init.lua:168: attemp
17:20 VanessaE t to index local 'output' (a nil value)
17:20 * Jordach doesnt care atm
17:20 Jordach okay, that was me
17:20 mauvebic i may start a blueprints thread tho im not sure under what category that falls under :/ neither textures or offtopic exactly lol
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17:20 Jordach /sethome and /home should work without a arg
17:20 mauvebic sounds like a bug
17:20 Jordach okay, its definitely sethome
17:21 mauvebic no output, no file,
17:21 mauvebic no catch to see if the file was opened properly
17:21 Kacey died again
17:21 VanessaE Kacey or Jordach:  what exactly did you do to trigger that crash?
17:21 Jordach VanessaE, /sethome city
17:21 Kacey i found a nyan cat :P
17:21 Jordach or just /sethome
17:21 mauvebic if not output_file or output == '' then return end
17:21 mauvebic should fix it
17:22 Jordach VanessaE, server returned
17:22 Jordach VanessaE, i wi8ll sethome right now
17:22 mauvebic though you should check output_file BEFORE running a comparison on output
17:22 VanessaE reported the bug to the author.
17:23 Jordach VanessaE, remove sethome for now
17:23 mauvebic its unified_inventory right?
17:23 Jordach mauvebic, no, i used the chat command
17:23 mauvebic from which mod?
17:23 Jordach the apparent sethome
17:23 mauvebic cant help then :(
17:24 VanessaE removed.
17:24 sapier imho dumping content of a block isn't quite a format but a encoding :-)
17:24 Jordach VanessaE, the unified inventory doesnt crash though
17:24 mauvebic rba and I are trying to find a way to merge both our unifieds (make it as flexible as humanly possible)
17:24 VanessaE server restarted without sethome.
17:24 thexyz VanessaE: wut?
17:24 VanessaE mauvebic: as long as you don't insist on rewriting his code I'm sure you two will come to an agreement ;-)
17:24 mauvebic so any problems with unified should be reported before its all done lol
17:24 VanessaE thexyz: what, what?
17:25 thexyz VanessaE: /sethome never fails
17:25 VanessaE oh
17:25 sapier I was hoping to support worldedit format in mobf for trader buildings ... but I really don't want to reimplement everything
17:25 VanessaE thexyz: Alienhunter's fork, not yours.
17:25 thexyz and *my* sethome only consists of 141 lines
17:25 thexyz oh, well
17:25 mauvebic i didn't "rewrite" your code, i removed the tubes which (imo) has nothing to do with pipes, compacted the rest for easy' readin', and added my own bits
17:25 VanessaE mauvebic: which in turn made it impossible for me to merge your changes, because I don't want my code "compacted" as it's much harder for me to read.
17:26 mauvebic well that issue isn't technical it''s just formatting
17:26 VanessaE yes
17:26 mauvebic besides like i said, im not done with, i can't be converting it back and forth between two styles, if you think that will work better...
17:26 VanessaE your code is good, don't get me wrong
17:26 VanessaE I just can't *use* it :-)
17:27 mauvebic when i'll be done, the basic functionality should be compartmentalized into member functions
17:27 mauvebic by then ittl be easy to use regardless of the format
17:27 sapier :-) mauvebic you'll have to stick to main developers style if you can't persuade him to switch to your style ;-)
17:27 Kacey afk
17:28 sapier in this case "her"
17:28 mauvebic sapier or you can fork
17:28 VanessaE eh fork you. :-)
17:28 mauvebic but im not here to compete w/ pipeworks, i just dont have a shitton of time to do secretarial work on it
17:29 mauvebic i dont know if anyone's noticed, i tend to alternate between projects lol
17:29 sapier yes but forking isn't a good idea in most cases as in best case it splits community
17:29 VanessaE mauvebic: besides, Nore has been contributing like crazy to the pneumatic tubes sections
17:29 mauvebic pulllleaze sapier lol
17:29 mauvebic you of all people should know how easily people will fork your shit for the most minor of disagreements lol
17:29 mauvebic vanessae: exactly, more code, its getting a bit big
17:30 sapier of course mauvebic and most of that forks fail
17:30 mauvebic and since you have 2 ppl working on 2 parts, it would make more sites to have pipes + tubes as a modpack instead of a megamod
17:30 mauvebic well, not pilzadam, he's forked just about everything
17:30 mauvebic *sites = sense
17:30 mauvebic getting old lol
17:30 VanessaE I might split it into a modpack eventually
17:30 VanessaE for now I'm quite happy with its current state.
17:31 VanessaE (limited pipes aside :-) )
17:31 mauvebic left right and center im looking for economies in all my mods, and since i do run pipeworks on my servers, its nice to have the option of not loading tubes if i dont need it
17:32 mauvebic for pipeworks i want to add medievial elements (mills, clunky wood pipes, etc.) would go nicely with wheat
17:33 mauvebic more devices that uses liquids overall would be nice :-)
17:33 mauvebic i have a working oil rig
17:33 sapier btw I've added path based movement to current mobf dev branch anyone interested in testing?
17:33 VanessaE PilzAdam: *poke*
17:33 Jordach mauvebic, VanessaE quit fighting
17:34 sapier hmm I'm not sure if this is fighting ... sometimes discussions here are much more like fight that atm :-)
17:35 mauvebic jordach not fighting, just trying to clear up the assumption that i work on the same thing until its done to everyone's satisfaction ( i dont work like that obviously, when i get stuck i move on to another and come back) :p
17:36 sapier mauvebic why don't you add your changes using vanessae's coding style?
17:36 mauvebic because to me its just as unreadable as mine is to hers
17:36 mauvebic theres no right or wrong way to do it
17:37 mauvebic and honestly ive had ppl fork my shit for such weak excuses as not liking the coding style, so i dont really sweat it anymore
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17:37 sapier that's no excuse ;-) she's main developer imho it's your responsibility to get used to it in order to get your changes included ;-)
17:37 VanessaE note to self:  ctrl-W is not the same thing as ctrl-Q.
17:38 sapier just because other people do nonsense forks this doesn't make it right
17:38 mauvebic sapier, i took a mod that didn't work for months, got it to work, and now everyone wants to give me shit for the coding style? remind me not to do anyone any more favours
17:38 hmmmm i can be the judge of whose coding style sucks or not
17:38 hmmmm lemme see
17:38 mauvebic if youre not happy with the coding style sapier and you have time to admonish me for it, than might i suggest you have the time to fix it
17:39 VanessaE sapier: ironically RBA and Nore have contributed more to the pipeworks codebase than I have :D
17:39 sapier mauvebic I was anoyed about seeing player linking included to minetest too ... as I've written it almost a year ago ;-)
17:39 mauvebic player linking?
17:39 sapier riding
17:40 VanessaE not to mention that I said when I first wrote pipeworks that I hadn't initially intended to make it do anything useful right away - that I'd intended for someone else to figure that out
17:40 sapier I had that code ready end of 2011 ... just no one didn't like it by that time
17:40 VanessaE (because at the time, my skills just didn't allow for it)
17:40 mauvebic hmmmm you're assuming i share mods so people can go "what a lovely coding style" .... i dont lol
17:40 hmmmm you don't!  you share mods because they're open source
17:41 sapier coding style is a way to make others contribute or drive them away from contributing  ;-)
17:42 sapier if you do write a strange style noone understands you won't have many ppl contributing ... but still main developer's style is way to go unless you persuade her/him to change
17:42 hmmmm I just code things in my own style and if they don't like it then too bad :\
17:42 mauvebic again, your assuming i want people fucking around with what is a WIP, and that somehow i have the time to waste reconciling two different versions more than once in the process
17:43 hmmmm if they really want my contribution and they really hated my code style or really liked theirs, they'd just change the style before committing it
17:43 sapier hmmmm so you wrote celerons coding style rules? ;-)
17:43 mauvebic hmmm +1
17:43 hmmmm definitely not, i consistently defy them
17:43 Kacey usb 3.0?!?!?!
17:43 hmmmm you see at first when i was getting into contributing to minetest, I was going to try to emulate his coding style perfectly
17:43 hmmmm but it was very counterproductive
17:43 hmmmm and futile
17:44 mauvebic exactly, you waste more time trying to follow someone else's style than actually coming up with useful code
17:44 VanessaE but this isn't about coding style
17:44 VanessaE this is about you completely squashing my code down into something *I can't merge anymore*
17:44 mauvebic simple
17:44 mauvebic take what i have
17:45 mauvebic + tubes
17:45 mauvebic reformat
17:45 VanessaE I don't actually *care* too much about your coding style - only that you don't trash mine :-)
17:45 mauvebic thats it
17:45 sapier mauvebic reformating is lots of time without any use ... and has to be redone everytime you commit .... not quite something I'd like to do
17:46 mauvebic that i had the time to write mtcities, binvox converter, fork unified_inventory and rewrite my paysage guns while no one can find the time to do those SIMPLE tasks... boggles the mind
17:46 mauvebic so dont tell me my style is unproductive, the proofs are there
17:47 sapier mauvebic I don't want to call it unproductive at all
17:48 sapier but you may forget that theres another perspective than just code output its maintainability
17:48 mauvebic well there has been MORE than enough time to do this simple re-formatting whilve i've been BUSY on a dozen other things
17:48 Kacey http://www.asus.com/Desktops/Essentio_CM1730#specifications my grandparent's computer (im jealous...)
17:49 mauvebic now if i were just sitting around on IRC all day long spouting off about licenses and shit then yeah you could say im resting on my laurels with incomplete work
17:49 sapier mauvebic how you know other ppl have time? do you know what they have to do every day?
17:50 mauvebic i can tell when people have time on their hands by the amount of crap they give me on here lol
17:50 mauvebic mark has oodles of it lol
17:50 sapier btw it doesn't help to complain about it, if you want your code included stick to main developers style or fork ... later one most likely will result in lots of work to merge changes from main back to your fork
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17:51 mauvebic i dont care if its included or not sapier, i wanted pipes, i wanted working pipes, i kept the same license, feel free to do with as you wish
17:51 iqualfragile off topic: did someone understand the "Harlem Shake" i just dont get it
17:52 mauvebic i mean every other time it hasn't stopped people from reformatting my code lol
17:52 sapier did you include that code mauvebic?
17:53 mauvebic rephrase?
17:53 mauvebic (dont understand the Q)
17:53 sapier if you merged that code otheres reformated back to your mods?
17:53 mauvebic of course not
17:53 mauvebic why would i merge someone's fork of my stuff when most of the time little changes
17:54 sapier so why should vanessae merge your changes?
17:54 sapier you wouldn't do it either
17:54 mauvebic because i didn't change JUST the textures and credits
17:55 Kacey http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus---Essentio-Desktop---8GB-Memory---1TB-Hard-Drive/6699853.p?id=1218786217198&amp;skuId=6699853#tab=specifications this is my grandparent's computer
17:55 thexyz sapier: I doubt that'd be merged
17:55 Kacey and all they do is check emails
17:55 Kacey once a week
17:55 thexyz sapier: do you have any persistent storage api?
17:55 sapier what pull request are you talking about thexyz
17:56 mauvebic most of the forks of my works have been sloppy re-implementations with chat commands changed and such, would  you merge such crap?
17:56 thexyz the security "improvements" one
17:56 mauvebic but if someone fixes your bugs, get things working better, etc., then i bet you'd put in the time
17:56 Kacey mauvebic: where is your copy of pipeworks?
17:56 sapier of course I have https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/480
17:56 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2323
17:57 NekoGloop ohey, mauv isn't a sock monster anymore.
17:57 thexyz sapier: that's not what I was talking about
17:57 sapier mauvebic I would include those fixes if it didn't require ages to find those two lines changed
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17:57 sapier so what do you mean thexyz
17:57 thexyz where sethome should save homes data, for example?
17:57 thexyz or worldedit
17:58 sapier or open host passwd file to upload to some control server ? ... we already had that discussion
17:58 thexyz oh, so you don't plan to change your mind
17:58 thexyz fine then
17:58 sapier its configurable
17:58 mauvebic everythings' properly commented, so unless you have a loose understanding of english or lua, shouldn't be a problem
17:59 sapier so those not wanting security can disable it
17:59 thexyz sapier: everyone will disable it then
17:59 thexyz as some mods won't work with this setting enabled
17:59 thexyz = no security
17:59 sapier thexyz I haven't been told a single usecase where a mod really needs to store data itself
17:59 thexyz sapier: sethome
17:59 thexyz worldedit
17:59 mauvebic multinode
17:59 mauvebic go
17:59 thexyz mesecons?
18:00 mauvebic mtcities
18:00 thexyz anything!
18:00 mauvebic everything
18:00 mauvebic lol
18:00 sapier sethome --> world_settings_set()
18:00 sapier worldedit same
18:00 thexyz sapier: lol
18:00 thexyz so
18:00 mauvebic sometimes i think a seperate db for mods wouldn't be a bad idea lol
18:00 mauvebic nodex stores a SHITTON of info of each node lol
18:00 sapier I'm currently using formspec button name to transfer data from one call to another this is working
18:00 mauvebic *1000 nodes
18:00 thexyz sapier: you mean, worldedit should store shittons of data in local world config?
18:01 thexyz that's just wrong
18:01 mauvebic very
18:01 thexyz yes
18:01 thexyz very fucking wrong
18:01 sapier its even worse to allow mods to access any file and create own processes
18:01 thexyz sapier: it isn't
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18:01 mauvebic not really
18:01 mauvebic oh, weather sign and news sign uses files to
18:01 thexyz sapier: in that case you're free not to install those mods
18:01 mauvebic *too
18:02 sapier thats a no argument
18:02 thexyz why?
18:02 thexyz ok, well, I'll shut up then
18:02 sapier but a suggestion
18:02 mauvebic i hate the disabling of lua functionality in the name of security
18:02 thexyz (I don't believe anyone would merge it)
18:02 thexyz so that conversation is pretty much useless
18:02 mauvebic if youre too lazy to look at what the code does, you deserve to be compromised
18:03 thexyz mauvebic: that's not really true either
18:03 sapier would it fit your need to add a function saving data with minetest api checking filename for secure places to write files ?
18:03 thexyz but the solution sapier suggests is just way too terrible
18:03 thexyz sapier: probably
18:03 mauvebic well installing random shit and then worrying about security, i find it comical at least lol
18:03 thexyz sapier: better discuss that with others in -dev
18:03 celeron55 there is a loose peer review process in getting mods into mod releases
18:04 sapier tell me only ONE person who did read whol mod source code before starting minetest
18:04 thexyz mauvebic: that's what windows users have been doing all the time
18:04 celeron55 so this issue isn't *that* high
18:04 mauvebic i know lol
18:04 thexyz sapier: me?
18:04 thexyz (for my server)
18:04 mauvebic i have to agree with celeron55 and thexyz
18:04 mauvebic (let me check if the sky still there) lol :p
18:04 sapier so you don't have any complex mod installed
18:04 mauvebic kidding :p
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18:05 mauvebic well its not that hard to do a search for os.execute on the files
18:05 mauvebic file opens and file writes and such
18:05 sapier I don't deny security is opposit of comfort
18:05 mauvebic youll notice right away of the paths point to system partition
18:05 mauvebic *files
18:05 mauvebic how many rogue mods have we had so far?
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18:06 mauvebic any testimonials to borked systems because of installing X mod?
18:06 sapier but those claiming to need full access are only to lazy do do it the right way (at least most of time)
18:06 mauvebic not lazy, but you are causing more work for dubious cause
18:07 mauvebic if you think everyone will rewrite their mods to accomodate your security views...
18:07 mauvebic ill tell my users to stick to an earlier version lol simple as that
18:07 celeron55 so anyways; i think there could be an installation-global path for files like worldedit saves
18:08 sapier there are next to no mod's aut ther requireing changes
18:08 celeron55 that could have a safe api
18:08 mauvebic modpath and worldpath are good tho?
18:08 sapier celeron55 that's like the file save api
18:08 mauvebic i dont put blueprints in the worldpath rather in the modpath, easy access from all maps
18:08 celeron55 sapier: does it have a per-world and per-installation location for files?
18:09 Kacey mauvebic's pump doesnt like me :(
18:09 mauvebic whats wrong w/ the pump?
18:09 celeron55 or, well, per-user actually (~/.minetest/something by default or so(
18:09 celeron55 )*
18:09 sapier no it doesn't exist by now bit if this increases chances of those security fixes to be added I'll write it
18:09 Kacey its not pumping
18:09 mauvebic did you punch it on?
18:09 mauvebic (are there liquids under/around?)
18:09 sapier my primary concern isn't to avoid saving any file but avoid minetest mods accessing ANY files as well as executing any command or downloading ANY file from internet
18:10 Kacey pm please mauvebic
18:10 sapier atm a mod could do all of this
18:10 mauvebic in terms of security, ive spotted way many more holes in alot of mods that i could easily crash a few public servers, i dont think file access ranks very high when compared
18:11 sapier yes but you can't avoid the more worse things while preserving io.open
18:11 sapier except rewriting whole lua c code
18:11 mauvebic well i have yet to see an example of a mod designed to destroy your OS install
18:11 celeron55 sapier: well, i think you are capable of thinking enough to make a proper secure file access api (and others) with enough functionality to be useful; just make sure you don't limit functionality any more than is absolutely necessary, because people won't like it otherwise
18:12 mauvebic and people aren't so stupid to install an obscure mod by a newbie
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18:12 STHGOM hi
18:13 celeron55 i think our goal is to allow all mods that users generally find useful in singleplayer to be fully functional without allowing unsecure APIs; only some of the special server stuff (IRC wrappers) are unsuitable for that
18:14 mauvebic dunno, fixing what aint broken can only lead to the possibility of breakage/bugs that weren't there before lol
18:14 sapier if there are legit cases where more access is needed there should be an api function for this imho
18:14 celeron55 and by fully functional i mean that eg. worldedit saving it's stuff in a world directory is *not* fully functionalö
18:14 celeron55 -ö
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18:15 mauvebic what is that o with dots? someone getting teabagged? lol :p
18:15 sapier so what exactly is "fully functional" ... improving security means per definition prohibiting some things
18:16 PilzAdam VanessaE, hm?
18:16 celeron55 sapier: allowing any new and special things without modifications of the engine is crucial to people thinking up new things, so there must be an easy-ish way for a user to toggle the secureness off
18:16 VanessaE PilzAdam: nevermind.
18:16 mauvebic minetest.conf
18:16 celeron55 (which means a config file setting, yes)
18:16 mauvebic obstacles = true/false lol
18:16 mauvebic or extra_security
18:17 sapier so you suggest reimplementing lua c code in order to avoid mods changing io.open(filename) to minetest.open(filename) ???? you're kidding
18:17 celeron55 more like mod_sandboxing = true/false
18:17 celeron55 sapier: i didn't say anything about compatibility
18:17 NekoGloop allow_me_to_use_mods=true/false
18:17 NekoGloop false by default.
18:17 VanessaE haha
18:18 celeron55 sapier: and no, i don't suggest that
18:18 mauvebic lol
18:18 sapier ok ... good ... so what security critical functionality (execept file access) is required
18:18 mauvebic why anyone would want to write in a feature that sure to get them hated, not logical </spock>
18:19 sapier time function is already included in current changeset
18:19 celeron55 as for the file api, something like minetest.open_world_file() and minetest.open_user_file() that only allow flat files
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18:20 mauvebic well as long as someone writes a patch to revert that, then its cool :-)
18:20 sapier ok I don't have any security concerns about that functions (at least if they do check filepath and name)
18:21 celeron55 (by flat files, i mean no directories)
18:21 mauvebic i think the biggest security concern is the higher-tech mods that let you sort-of do ingame scripting, that can be more easily abused
18:21 sapier ok so world files are files in world directory
18:21 VanessaE celeron55: suggest a forced modname prefix on the filename.
18:21 sapier user files are stored where?
18:21 VanessaE to keep one mod from overwriting others' files
18:21 mauvebic how about:
18:21 celeron55 mauvebic: they can only abuse the game, not delete files on a user's computer 8)
18:22 mauvebic a 'data' folder for each mod, like textures/media/sounds ?
18:22 mauvebic for the modpath io
18:22 mauvebic true but he has yet to show an instance of that happening with any mod
18:22 hmmmm hey celeron, i caught ya
18:22 sapier problem is you can't decide what mod is doing the open call
18:22 Kacey celeron55, i had an idea
18:23 mauvebic this sortof reminds me of the whole debate on DRM
18:23 hmmmm is it intended that a duplicate block can be added to the emerge queue if the peer id is 0?
18:23 celeron55 sapier: $path_user/modfiles/ or something like that (on linux, that is ~/.minetest/modfiles, on RUN_IN_PLACE that is /modfiles)
18:23 sapier I see
18:24 mauvebic doesn't PA's map mod execute a python script that saves a texture to the mods' texture folder? how would that be fixed?
18:24 celeron55 dunno about the exact name, but that is where it should go
18:24 celeron55 mauvebic: that is inherently an unsafe mod
18:25 mauvebic might still raise hell with some of the users when they find out its permanently broken
18:25 PilzAdam mauvebic, its just a test mod
18:25 sapier executing applications is very very risky ...
18:25 sapier imho this shouldn't be allowed to mods at all
18:26 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:26 mauvebic slippery slope when you start deciding which mods are safe and which arent imho
18:26 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:26 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:26 mauvebic id say its up to the users
18:26 celeron55 this is the exact reason there should be an easy configuration option to turn it on when necessary - it will leave most of the userbase safe anyway, and those who switch it will know they're not safe
18:26 hmmmm yes? no? i feel ignored :\
18:26 celeron55 or, well, off; whatever
18:26 sapier this option is already included in this changeset
18:26 celeron55 hmmmm: i don't know
18:26 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:26 mauvebic well if sapier wont add a .conf flag then im sure rba or xyz will lol
18:26 hmmmm okay.
18:27 iqualfragile traceroute 216.81.59.173
18:27 mauvebic sweet
18:27 thexyz iqualfragile: lol dats not ur shell
18:27 celeron55 there is no sense in restricting stupidity, but restricting accidents is reasonable
18:27 sapier so atm the only missing feature is world and userfolder file access?
18:28 sapier missing feature we know of atm of course
18:28 mauvebic theres no justifiable reason to worry about safety when most of the problems with mods involves crashes and bugs and griefer exploits lol
18:28 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:28 celeron55 mauvebic: security is a thing the user doesn't see until it kicks him in the butt
18:28 mauvebic wrong order, priorities are </yoda>
18:28 iqualfragile thexyz: i know, its a multicast shell which  makes every starwars fan execute that command on their shell rm -fr /
18:28 VanessaE oh sure, open up THAT can of worms mauvebic.
18:28 sapier mauvebic this is like I don't use a seatbelt because my breaks could be bad
18:28 celeron55 mauvebic: it is a thing to worry about nonetheless
18:29 celeron55 mauvebic: and to plan ahead
18:29 mauvebic exactly and ittl teach em not to install random shit without checking, nannying them wont help them learn anything about security
18:29 berome salut crackerenherbe: pas vraiment ....
18:29 berome :-)
18:29 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:29 celeron55 mauvebic: what if i say i would find the option useful?
18:29 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:29 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:29 berome oui ?
18:29 berome ok :_)
18:30 mauvebic im not saying dont add it, if it can be switched off then by all means, i just dont get the sudden concern where there has *never* been such incidents
18:30 sapier mauvebic having ppl check everything would be best .. but not everyone is skilled enough to understand it completely so it's good practice to at least help those ppl as far as we can
18:30 celeron55 mauvebic: i mean, if i have the flag switched on, i don't have to read through 1000 lines of code in order to see if a mod is safe; i can just throw it in my game
18:30 mauvebic unless youre worried about landmine writing a mod
18:30 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:30 crackerenherbe [deleted]
18:30 celeron55 mauvebic: when there is a public incident, it is too late already
18:30 mauvebic celeron55 true but very few mods go over 200~400 lines
18:31 berome crackerenherbe: open a channel by cliquing a name ?
18:31 mauvebic true but youll know right away whos' writing viral mods
18:31 sapier and exactly those big mods can't be checked by a single person
18:31 mauvebic you can do a textsearch for os.execute and file open? i find shit fast lol
18:31 mauvebic *cant
18:31 sapier mobf is best example I've written it but still sometimes I have to see how something is working
18:32 mauvebic people learn more from mistakes than being overprotected imo
18:32 mauvebic something parents today forgot
18:32 sapier mauvebic did you ever look for os.execute
18:32 mauvebic apart from PA i dont know anyone else who uses it
18:32 sapier did you look for it?
18:33 mauvebic and you can always add a debug log entry when such functions are used
18:33 mauvebic or print or chat message
18:33 sapier no you can't
18:33 sapier those are lua functions
18:33 sapier you need to modify lua lib to do so
18:33 mauvebic well if you can throw your sabot into the machinery you can definately add a log entry
18:34 sapier and you need to do so for any critical function effectivly destroying lua lib update path
18:34 mauvebic off the top of my head i could easily write a script to parse all lua files for specific commands
18:34 sapier I don't understand why you're so addicted to having no security features in there?
18:34 mauvebic thereby wasting 0 resources after install
18:34 Kacey what if there was a way to cchange texture packs in-game
18:35 mauvebic because security = restriction = less freedom
18:35 mauvebic the same arguements used by gov'ts and commercial OS's, so yeah i dont like it
18:35 sapier so we shouldn't stop a murder because this restricts it's freedom?
18:35 mauvebic omg where did you learn to debate, from marktraceur?
18:35 sapier you still can enable the all free mode
18:36 mauvebic at least
18:36 sapier this was one of the first features added to security features
18:37 sapier mauvebic in a perfect world everyone knows everything and can behave perfectly safe ... but in real world ppl don't know much about security and need help
18:37 mauvebic in the real world people expect cops to show up and save them, some of us know better and handle our own security ;)
18:38 sapier so we shouldn't have cops at all because you can handle your own security?
18:38 mauvebic no, im just saying dont count on the state/security provisions to be all that effective
18:38 mauvebic *state/city security
18:39 mauvebic jesus christ im getting aphasic lol
18:39 sapier I don't know where you live mauvebic but here in germany we have a working gouvernment enforcing public security ... not perfect of course but open to improvements as problems occur
18:39 mauvebic where im from they're just as likely to blame the victim
18:40 mauvebic so dont be a victim
18:40 sapier so I'm sorry for you ;-) we're always looking for skilled ppl in germany so maybe you'd be welcome to live here ;-)
18:41 mauvebic whats the unemployment rate there anyways? heres its 7~%
18:41 marktraceur mauvebic: I don't particularly appreciate your implication.
18:41 jin_xi lol
18:41 mauvebic well you do make ridiculous comparisons to make your case
18:41 mauvebic otherwise known as strawmen
18:42 mauvebic and its not like you havent been told before by others
18:42 marktraceur mauvebic: If you think they're ridiculous, the proper course of action is to demonstrate that, not to dismiss the ideas behind it.
18:42 sapier currently its 7.4 in total in bavaria its 4.4
18:42 mauvebic no, you simply just dont dignify that kind of argument with a response
18:43 marktraceur mauvebic: Probably if you think that *my* comparisons are ridiculous, it's because you don't understand how I see the situation. Because I don't see them as being ridiculous.
18:44 sapier everyone should consider we are from different countrys with completely differend living situations ... so what is perfectly ok for one can be horrible for anotherone
18:44 mauvebic please, when you cant make an argument with the facts at hand your subsequent arguments become more and more outlandish
18:45 mauvebic until people suggest things like supporting murder because they dont support software security lol
18:45 mauvebic i dont know why but it did remind me of you
18:45 sapier we aren't discussing about facts atm ... we are discussing about how much security is "NEEDED" which is perfectly subjectiv
18:45 mauvebic needs are met when needs arise (economics)
18:46 MiJyn Is it possible to have a block that is larger than a block?
18:46 MiJyn *node
18:46 Jordach yes. nodeboxes
18:46 mauvebic worry about security is abit prepostorous to me when weve had the same troll for a year that we cant seem to get rid of lol
18:46 mauvebic *worrying
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18:46 sapier mauvebic thats why in fukushima the cores melt down
18:46 VanessaE MiJyn: Home Decor refrigerator.
18:46 MiJyn @Jordach, okay, awesome
18:47 marktraceur mauvebic: It's called an analogy.
18:47 MiJyn @VanessaE, thanks, is that in your mod or tonyka's mod?
18:47 VanessaE mine
18:47 MiJyn ok
18:47 sapier because without a tsunami you don't need high walls
18:47 mauvebic well like a poor marksmen your analogies keep missing the target </kirk>
18:47 Jordach MiJyn, remember to drop the @symbols
18:47 marktraceur mauvebic: If you think sapier's missing the target, you're pretty obviously blind, so I'm cool with that.
18:47 sapier @jordach why not use an @symbol?
18:47 mauvebic the cores melted because they were cheap on maintenance (big surprise)
18:48 mauvebic i meant your analogies
18:48 mauvebic though sapiers' murder one was pretty high up there too
18:48 marktraceur Excatly.
18:48 marktraceur Exactly*
18:48 MiJyn +Jordach, okay
18:48 mauvebic and ive noticed when the discussion focuses on you instead of the other person, youre suddenly busy lol
18:49 sapier problem with TOTAL freedom isthat exactly ONE person can have it
18:49 marktraceur mauvebic: All right, I'm not busy, what's your point?
18:50 mauvebic and in *every case* you always think youre right and everyone else is dumb (theres a name for that)
18:50 blah_craft the truth?
18:50 mauvebic i dont know, what is it, you brought it up?
18:50 mauvebic i simply told sapier he argues like you, you took issue with that
18:50 sapier mauvebic my oppinion is always right until someone gives good reason to change it ;-)
18:50 STHGOM bye
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18:51 marktraceur sapier: Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.
18:51 mauvebic well as you get older you'll learn to see things differently
18:51 marktraceur mauvebic: I took issue with the fact that you implied it was bad.
18:51 sapier and of course I'm the only person to decide if some reason is good or not in this case ;-)
18:51 mauvebic bad analogies and strawmen are bad form yes
18:51 marktraceur mauvebic: Just like I take issue with the implied ageism just now. Care to apologize, or continue being an ass?
18:51 mauvebic at least in our schools
18:52 john_minetest back.
18:52 mauvebic well i defy you to find a more mature member of the community who doesn't agree with the sentiment that 20-somethings always feel theyre' right... thats an opinion btw
18:52 blah_craft Hey, I'm on the webchat IRC at freenode... Is there a command to open a second channel within this browser page?
18:52 marktraceur blah_craft: /join <channel-name>
18:53 blah_craft thanks
18:53 marktraceur mauvebic: I don't care if ageism is popular, it's not OK.
18:53 mauvebic was kicked by marktraceur: mauvebic
18:53 blah_craft wow
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18:53 mauvebic how mature
18:53 mauvebic another of your famous strategies when you cant win, kick
18:53 mauvebic but anyways
18:53 mauvebic back to the business
18:53 marktraceur mauvebic: I think that punishing intolerant people is rather mature, actually.
18:54 mauvebic thats like the pot calling the kettle black
18:54 mauvebic you're intolerant of anyone who disagrees with you
18:54 sapier celeron55 would you mind the fileapi implemented in a separate file instead of scriptapi.cpp?
18:54 Jordach marktraceur, just because you have that little @ symbol doesnt mean your word is end all
18:54 mauvebic if i had known OP'ing you would make you this way i would have never supported it, and im not alone in that
18:55 marktraceur mauvebic: Well, sorry to have disappointed you. Ta.
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18:55 jin_xi lol whats up with this kid
18:55 mauvebic OPs should keep the peace, imo
18:55 MiJyn Is it possible to make a solid entity in minetest?
18:55 mauvebic physical = true?
18:55 Jordach theres a patch for it i think
18:56 VanessaE Jordach: already back.
18:56 MiJyn like one where you can walk through
18:56 MiJyn I mean, not walk through
18:57 mauvebic hmm,
18:57 mauvebic invisible nodes maybe?
18:57 mauvebic could be pita
18:57 mauvebic an oversized invisible nodebox perhaps
18:58 MiJyn ok
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19:00 jin_xi http://i.imgur.com/UL2TW3p.png moar spirals
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19:03 MiJyn OKay, I'm sorry, but I've made a nodebox
19:03 MiJyn and only 2 of the sides work
19:03 MiJyn Like the front and right(?) sides work with collision detection
19:03 MiJyn back and left are completely unaffected
19:03 MiJyn it's like as if it doesn't exist
19:05 MiJyn topside is also unaffected, but bottomside is
19:05 sapier1 you messed pos1 and pos2
19:05 MiJyn ?
19:05 sapier min point needs to have all coordinates min and max point all coordinates max
19:06 MiJyn on what?
19:06 sapier if coordinate value of max is smaller than those of min you get missing/inverted faces
19:07 MiJyn ok, but for which coordinates are you talking about?
19:07 sapier you created a nodebox
19:07 sapier your nodebox contains coordinates specifying the boxes
19:07 MiJyn oh ok
19:08 MiJyn seems to be fine though
19:09 sapier I haven't looked at it but I guess theres something like following in:
19:09 sapier min={-5,-5,-5} max={-10,-10,-10} which is WRONG
19:09 MiJyn oh
19:09 MiJyn I use this:
19:10 MiJyn type = "fixed", fixed = { minx, miny, minz, maxx, maxy, maxz }
19:10 sapier have you checked that all mins ar smaller than max values?
19:11 MiJyn yes
19:11 MiJyn wait, where do you put the min and max?
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19:13 sapier according to documentation exactly the way you wrote it ... but I haven't used this for a while
19:13 MiJyn ok
19:13 PilzAdam fixed = {{ minx, miny, minz, maxx, maxy, maxz }}
19:13 MiJyn two {{?
19:14 PilzAdam yep
19:14 MiJyn node_box = {
19:14 MiJyn type = "fixed",
19:14 MiJyn fixed = { -0.5, -0.5, -0.5, 1.5, 2.5, 1.5 }
19:14 MiJyn }
19:14 MiJyn selection_box is the same
19:14 mauvebic off-center?
19:15 MiJyn yeah
19:15 PilzAdam MiJyn, https://github.com/PilzAdam/beds/blob/master/init.lua#L12
19:15 PilzAdam ^ some example
19:15 sapier off center shouldn't be a problem
19:15 MiJyn @PilzAdam, I don't see the difference between my code and yours
19:16 mauvebic true but wont the entity sit in the center with the nodebox leaning more in the X+/z+ quandrants? (maybe missed something here)
19:17 PilzAdam MiJyn, can you pastebin your code?
19:17 MiJyn @mauvebic, yeah, I don't want it in the center :)
19:17 MiJyn @PilzAdam, alright
19:17 mauvebic ah okay :-)
19:17 MiJyn http://pastebin.com/FQ79T10K
19:18 mauvebic though entities should have world_physical and player_physical imho (or apply the one setting to both, rightclick would still work)
19:18 Kacey back
19:18 MiJyn @mauvebic, right, but its not an entity (it's a node)
19:18 mauvebic ahhh kk were not on the same subject then lol no wonder i was confused
19:19 MiJyn oh haha
19:19 PilzAdam MiJyn, http://pastebin.com/dGkSHuPz
19:19 mauvebic this is so me: http://cheezburger.com/7039546112
19:20 MiJyn oh
19:21 MiJyn still the same issue though :(
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19:25 thexyz wow, wtf is wrong with marktraceur
19:25 mauvebic i *may* have been too honest
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19:26 mauvebic though im a little tired of people complaining privately, someone had to grow balls
19:28 mauvebic * and people wont complain openly for fear of being kicked
19:29 mauvebic its become quite unpleasant :P but give it a day and he'll be back
19:29 thexyz well, now there're no ops so feel free to complain
19:30 mauvebic well its all in the logs now, i dont wanna spam the same lines unless you really want me to
19:30 mauvebic but basically, he's always right, were always dumb, he implies discrimination where there is none and kicks people for it when arguments dont go his way, in short
19:31 mauvebic but insulting people's intelligence constantly isn't descrimination, even the palette seems board
19:31 mauvebic *broad
19:32 mauvebic i wont name names but im definately not the only one to feel this way of late
19:34 mauvebic and when people start discussing forks just to get away from this behaviour, you know there's a problem
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19:37 simonsays hey
19:37 simonsays !up redcrab.suret.net 30000
19:37 Minetest-tan redcrab.suret.net:30000 is up (0.206ms)
19:38 simonsays !up redcrab.suret.net 30001 - 30002
19:38 Minetest-tan redcrab.suret.net:30001 seems to be down
19:38 simonsays !up xvideos 1-4
19:38 Minetest-tan simonsays: Invalid Address
19:38 simonsays !up xvideos 1-4
19:38 Minetest-tan simonsays: Invalid Address
19:38 NekoGloop Simon Says !up redcrab.suret,net 30000
19:38 simonsays was kicked by thexyz: simonsays
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19:39 thexyz that's bad
19:39 mauvebic that wasnt even a full server adress lol
19:40 kaeza greetings humanity
19:40 NekoGloop greetings aliens
19:41 mauvebic greetings from Qo'Nos
19:41 kaeza sup guys?
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19:42 markveidemanis hry
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1-4
19:42 Minetest-tan markveidemanis: To check multiple Ports please use Query
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1-4!up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1-4
19:42 Minetest-tan markveidemanis: Invalid Port: 4!up
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1-4
19:42 Minetest-tan markveidemanis: To check multiple Ports please use Query
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1-4
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1-4
19:42 Minetest-tan markveidemanis: To check multiple Ports please use Query
19:42 Minetest-tan markveidemanis: To check multiple Ports please use Query
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 Minetest-tan gofuckyourselfs.faggots:1 seems to be down
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 Minetest-tan gofuckyourselfs.faggots:1 seems to be down
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 Minetest-tan gofuckyourselfs.faggots:1 seems to be down
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 Minetest-tan gofuckyourselfs.faggots:1 seems to be down
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 Minetest-tan gofuckyourselfs.faggots:1 seems to be down
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 Minetest-tan ...
19:42 Minetest-tan ...
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1!up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1!up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1!up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 Minetest-tan ...
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1!up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 Minetest-tan markveidemanis: Invalid Port: 1!up
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 markveidemanis !up gofuckyourselfs.faggots 1
19:42 markveidemanis was kicked by thexyz: markveidemanis
19:42 Minetest-tan markveidemanis: Invalid Port: 1!up
19:42 Minetest-tan gofuckyourselfs.faggots:1 seems to be down
19:42 Minetest-tan gofuckyourselfs.faggots:1 seems to be down
19:42 kaeza WTF??
19:42 NekoGloop What in the name of holy fuck.
19:42 mauvebic please put a timeout on the bot for x many requests from the same nick, please
19:42 thexyz sfan5: ^
19:43 Minetest-tan was kicked by thexyz: Minetest-tan
19:43 mauvebic and perhaps even not respond to requests containing obvious profanities
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19:44 Jordach am i the only person here who wants peace in #minetest through voting?
19:45 PilzAdam yes
19:45 Jordach (as in, more of a democratic resolution)
19:45 thexyz democracy is a lie
19:45 PilzAdam ^
19:46 kaeza erhm, did I miss something here?
19:46 mauvebic it would work if 2/3's werent underage here, by default, they can't vote in their own countries
19:46 thexyz kaeza: well, marktraceur burned out
19:46 mauvebic nor can they be expected to vote rationally
19:46 thexyz I hope he'll be back soon though
19:47 Jordach i meant on kicking and banning
19:47 kaeza thexyz: I guess that was expected. It's a shame tho'
19:48 Jordach hmm, so if he doesnt return, who will take his place
19:48 mauvebic well he's insulted enough people if he can't take a little of his own medicine then maybe he needs the break
19:49 * Jordach wonders who doesnt burn out, who is usually nice enough, who can take an argument and not segfault
19:50 thexyz me!
19:50 * PilzAdam
19:50 mauvebic oldcoder but he is too busy
19:50 Jordach mauvebic, hes already an op
19:50 Jordach same for you thexyz
19:50 mauvebic really? never seen him use it even once
19:51 Jordach so it looks like PilzAdam
19:51 * Jordach has never tried for OP
19:51 * VanessaE looks arounf
19:51 kaeza I'd vote for PilzAdam too
19:51 VanessaE around*
19:52 kaeza o hai VanessaE
19:52 VanessaE hi
19:52 mauvebic anyone who can detach debating/arguing from the OP duties would good
19:52 mauvebic *be good
19:52 thexyz I have no idea why he's not an op already
19:52 mauvebic two hats
19:53 mauvebic well... PA's got a lot of mods, and pull, and doing cpp stuff,.... could lead to another burnout
19:53 mauvebic which i thought we were trying to avoid :p
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19:54 PilzAdam mauvebic, but Im not really supporting most of my mods
19:55 Jordach the last time i recall burning out (myself) was may, so oct -> may is about 7 months, june -> feb 7 months
19:55 * Jordach is close to burn out...
19:55 mauvebic well if you can handle it by all means :-) tell us if it becomes too much though
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19:56 Jordach mauvebic, when did i last get mad at someone
19:56 mauvebic ive never seen it either
19:57 Jordach (in fact name a time where i left the channel in RAGE.)
19:57 kaeza any comments? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69482#p69482
19:57 mauvebic *seen you get mad at someone
19:57 mauvebic anyone that can cool their heels rather than kick someone theyre arguing with, weather thats Jordach or PilzAdam :-)
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19:57 thexyz *whether
19:58 mauvebic damn, i should get tested for aphasia lol (green/blue/grey same to me lol)
19:58 Jordach mauvebic, i just hide the window and play minetest / BF3, or some youtube
19:58 Jordach earlier me and VanessaE discovered strange lighting: http://imgur.com/a/smETg
19:59 mauvebic my wife says i cant tell shades of red from grey either lol
19:59 Jordach mauvebic, so you cant tell the difference between 50 shades... :P
19:59 mauvebic uhuhuhuhuhuhuh
19:59 mauvebic </hank>
20:00 kaeza I also made a preliminary API to allow localization of mods. I would like to see a consistent platform-independent way to detect the user's language here.
20:01 mauvebic well the minetest install could store a var indicating the user's system
20:02 kaeza I currently translated VanessaE's homedecor and PilzAdam's bones & beds mods to Spanish.
20:02 mauvebic in minetest.conf or somewhere more convenient(sp)?
20:02 thexyz kaeza: gettext does that somehow
20:02 mauvebic though there isn't a huge diff between english/french/spanish
20:02 kaeza thexyz: It seems it's not consistent in the way it does so on Linux and Win
20:03 mauvebic cyrillic and chinese/japanese would be the hat trick
20:03 thexyz kaeza: it chooses correct language both on linux and windows
20:03 kaeza on Linux, it checks LANG; but under Win, it uses the WinAPI to detect it.
20:04 mauvebic first we'd have to poll all the users and find out the top 4-5 languages and try to support all those
20:04 kaeza thexyz I don't want to depend on gettext. The current implementation is purely in Lua, currently packaged as a "library" mod.
20:04 RealBadAngel not better let user pick the language?
20:04 thexyz mauvebic: http://translate.minetest.ru/
20:04 thexyz kaeza: why not?
20:05 mauvebic all automatic? cool :-)
20:05 sapier grrr ... modern cars have by far to many electronics in there
20:05 thexyz it looks like we use gettext for l10n already
20:05 PilzAdam maybe just translate the description of nodes in register_node(), so mods dont have to anything
20:05 kaeza RealBadAngel: currently, it checks for a "language" setting in minetest.conf, then the LANG env var, and thenn uses english as default.
20:05 mauvebic what about serverside chat messages and text in formspecs? how could we localise those?
20:06 mauvebic like a seperate lua file containing an array of all static text in diff languages or is there better way?
20:06 kaeza mauvebic: this library allows you to translate those texts
20:06 RealBadAngel it shouldnt switch language based on system imho. that would lead for modders being unable to play another language version
20:07 mauvebic then we could try to rely more on icon images than text buttons, something everyone can recognize
20:07 kaeza I'm not at home now, so can't upload screenshots, but you can see PA's beds say "Good Night!" in many different language4s now
20:07 mauvebic does the bed fast forward the clock to morning?
20:07 mauvebic (never tried it)
20:07 PilzAdam yes, if all players on the server are in a bed
20:08 kaeza RealBadAngel: if you set the "language" in minetest.conf then it overrides system
20:08 RealBadAngel imho best solution shall be menu based language selection
20:09 kaeza Here it is: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-intllib-0.1.0.zip
20:09 kaeza as I said, it's still WIP, but working
20:09 mauvebic id have to run a feasability study with all the stuff id have to translate lol (jk)
20:09 kaeza the readme contains an example on how to use it without depengding on the "mod"
20:10 kaeza -g
20:10 kaeza It would be best if this was included in default of course
20:10 mauvebic is there such a thing is a translation lib for c/lua?
20:11 mauvebic (more automation but what the heck, worth asking lol)
20:12 kaeza the thing is, with gettext you need to "compile" and "install" the message catalogs IIRC
20:12 PilzAdam lol
20:12 kaeza thexyz: ^^
20:12 PilzAdam README contains RTFM in the FAQ...
20:12 kaeza heh
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20:14 jakssoul I have a question,.
20:14 PilzAdam lol?
20:16 * mauvebic proudly support swahili
20:16 mauvebic :p
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20:17 theabc hey
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
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20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
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20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
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20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
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20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
20:17 theabc filthy stinkin ugly watermelon eatin fat lip wide nose thick skull wild half ape jungle niggers
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20:17 Jordach okay, if i were OP, id either mute or ban
20:17 Jordach mute on a bad day
20:18 PilzAdam Jordach, everyone would do that
20:18 hmmmm i think we'll be able to get him glined
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20:18 mauvebic lm is back?
20:18 hmmmm let's talk to an IRCop about it
20:18 Jordach hmmmm, what is glined
20:18 hmmmm means permanently banned from the entire freenode network
20:18 Jordach i always read IRCop is IRC Cop
20:18 Kacey back
20:18 hmmmm everybody does.
20:19 xming flood alert! Defcon 1, defcon 1
20:19 * PilzAdam grabs his M16
20:19 PilzAdam wheres the enemy?
20:20 * Jordach grabs the RPK
20:20 xming flood is the enemy
20:20 * xming grabs a light saber
20:20 xming pff you are all so old fashioned
20:20 Jeija left #minetest
20:20 * Kacey grabs a cat
20:20 NekoGloop http://gifmaker.me/ViewAnimation.php?folder=TFxFgiQ4xiHwpt4WBKMdm9&amp;file=output_VBAGdr.gif SMB3 green muncher, anyone?
20:20 Kacey i will scratch his face off
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20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
20:21 theograpper A G-line or global kill line (also written G:line) is a global network ban applied to a user; the term comes from Undernet but on DALnet a similar concept known as an AKill was used. G-lines are sometimes stored in the configuration file of the IRCd, although some networks, who handle K-lines through the IRC services, prefer to have them stored in their service's configuration files. Whenever a G-lined person attempts to connect
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20:21 Jordach thexyz, ban that motherfucker
20:21 kaeza_ this is getting silly
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20:21 aquaosx whoot?
20:22 xming flood alert! Defcon 1, defcon 1
20:22 xming he should be G-lined
20:22 PilzAdam can someone ban 41310e34@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.49.14.52 ?
20:22 PilzAdam ^ thexyz
20:23 Kacey mauvebic, PING
20:23 xming she's going to wear a hat
20:23 VanessaE ALWAYS when I'm not paying attention, someone has to pull that shit. :-/
20:23 Jordach VanessaE, pm
20:23 VanessaE not right now, bust
20:23 VanessaE busy*
20:24 thexyz the fuck?
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20:25 Jordach i know who spammed
20:26 Jordach * markveidemanis (41310e4e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.49.14.78) has joined
20:26 Jordach it matches PilzAdam's trace to three parts of the IP
20:26 john_minetest theograpper (41310e34@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.49.14.52)
20:27 thexyz *!*@*65.49.14.* is already banned thanks to VanessaE
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20:27 PilzAdam probably markveidemanis neighbor ;-)
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20:27 hmmmm so guys
20:27 xming he steals his neighbour's WIFI
20:27 hmmmm how does LandMine keep getting in
20:27 hmmmm we banned all of his ip ranges, right?
20:27 hmmmm and nobody is unbanning him
20:28 hmmmm he's not using any open proxies either, correct?
20:28 Jordach hmmmm, he uses hidemyass vpn, which theres 31000+ IPs
20:28 hmmmm oh great
20:28 thexyz > we banned all of his ip ranges, right? | i doubt that
20:28 john_minetest markveidemanis switches his router off and on again to get a new IP. at least the last number.
20:28 thexyz Jordach: any proofs?
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20:28 Jordach thexyz, the banlist is full of 189.191.*.*
20:29 VanessaE thexyz: we did at one time.  then someone cleaned the list out.
20:29 thexyz Jordach: so..?
20:29 Jordach VanessaE, we clearly need OPs that are responsible
20:29 thexyz those are some mexican IPs
20:30 xming hehe this channel is so unfreenode-like, reminds me of ef, dal and under 20 years ago
20:30 Jordach we could have a bot that detects names such as notLM and auto mutes them
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20:30 crackerenherbe [deleted]
20:30 Jordach hello
20:30 crackerenherbe [deleted]
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20:31 john_minetest we could have a pre-channel. talk-priv requests for the "real" channel would go there.
20:32 Jordach crackerenherbe, its something about shaders either working or not working
20:32 thexyz crackerenherbe: there are shaders already
20:32 crackerenherbe [deleted]
20:32 thexyz john_minetest: we could as well have moderated flag set
20:32 crackerenherbe [deleted]
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20:33 john_minetest thexyz: or only allowing registered users. (nickserv)
20:33 thexyz true
20:33 Jordach we need #minetest-reg
20:33 Jordach for registered users
20:34 crackerenherbe [deleted]
20:34 thexyz Jordach: I'm sure we don't
20:34 hmmmm alright, I got it taken care of
20:35 Jordach it *would* stop landmine
20:35 hmmmm making a different channel for registered users wouldn't solve the problem though
20:35 mauvebic wheres the FAq for nickserv?
20:35 hmmmm everybody would still come here and he'd still have a target
20:35 mauvebic *a faq
20:35 john_minetest Stopping to run #minetest would also stop LM.
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20:35 hmmmm if landmine continues, we're going to have to allow registered nicks only
20:36 mauvebic the irc bot could prolly pick up on most of his behaviours tho
20:36 Jordach hmmmm would be the best choice for a OP here
20:36 VanessaE bot-based automatic banning is out of the question, you're guaranteed to get too many false positives.
20:36 Kacey mauvebic PING
20:37 Jordach or we could go by name, like notLM
20:37 Jordach (which could auto mute)
20:37 mauvebic ping?
20:37 Kacey i have a question mauvebic
20:37 hmmmm guys, instead of -r, we should do +q $~a
20:37 mauvebic shoot
20:38 hmmmm that way the unregistered nicks can still be here, but not spam
20:38 john_minetest people would always find a way to spam.
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20:38 Kacey how do i get the mixer to work?
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20:38 john_minetest hmmmm: and registered nicks can spam? ;)
20:39 hmmmm yes, and get banned just as well
20:40 mauvebic needs water from the top, put barley or other ing in mixer slot and the pipe that leaves under it contains new liquid
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20:40 john_minetest I think this "registered-users-only"-thing would be the best. Spammers would look for an easier channel that doesn't require registration.
20:40 john_minetest
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20:41 Kacey how do i make barley?
20:41 crackerenherbe [deleted]
20:41 Jordach crackerenherbe, from what i see, your thinking of the unbelievable shaders mod?
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20:42 mauvebic barley you have to grow using the aeroponics tray
20:42 Jordach crackerenherbe, you want this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgXVYCy73tc
20:42 Kacey i found it (i was trying to use wheat)
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20:43 Jordach crackerenherbe, that will need a lot of work
20:43 mauvebic can one make beer with wheat? i know you can use lie, not sure about wheat
20:43 mauvebic *lye?
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20:44 Jordach for people who can use it
20:44 crackerenherbe [deleted]
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20:45 PilzAdam win32 gettext build of minetest-classic: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
20:45 Jordach crackerenherbe, actuellement les shaders rendre le jeu un aspect plus brillant et réaliste, mais pas vraiment en utilisant des choses comme des ombres en temps réel, il ya actuellement un minetest avec "ondulé" de l'eau, mais c'est le meilleur que nous avons
20:45 crackerenherbe [deleted]
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20:46 Jordach crackerenherbe, il se produira un jour, croyez-moi sur ce .. il sera
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20:47 Kacey mauvebic: it doesnt seem to be filling up
20:47 Jordach crackerenherbe, lorsque les capacités d'ombrage et de rendu améliore
20:47 Kacey how do i turn on the outlet?
20:47 mauvebic punch the mixer to turn it on :-)
20:47 crackerenherbe [deleted]
20:48 mauvebic its designed so it doesn't empty out by itself when you dont want it to
20:48 crackerenherbe [deleted]
20:48 mauvebic cuz it will weather theres a spigot or not so long as pipes are hooked up under it
20:48 Jordach crackerenherbe, i serait en moyenne environ un an avant que quelque chose de ce calibre apparaît
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20:48 Jordach hey rarkenin_
20:49 crackerenherbe [deleted]
20:49 rarkenin_ Hi. Do you know if Minetest assumes a machine to be little-endian?
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20:50 khonkhortisan I think it depends on where it is compiled, in my uneducated opinion.
20:50 crackerenherbe [deleted]
20:50 Jordach il sera avec le temps, mon ami
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20:53 Kacey ce Aar parlons-nous?
20:53 Kacey Qu'est-ce qu'on parle?
20:54 Kacey that was meant
20:54 mauvebic even though im french :P i think were sposed to stick to english here
20:54 mauvebic :-)
20:54 mauvebic for the benefit of everyone else trying to participate
20:55 PilzAdam mauvebic is french oO
20:55 Kacey feine mauvebic
20:55 Kacey german :P
20:55 mauvebic french quebecois
20:55 mauvebic not european french
20:55 mauvebic they dont sound the same spoken
20:55 Jordach mauvebic, PilzAdam, its called trying to help someone who cant speak english
20:55 PilzAdam Jordach, its called PM
20:55 mauvebic i know :P but the person was gone
20:56 mauvebic besides im just repeating what ive already been told :p
20:57 Kacey Ich habe ein Cookie denn wer kann dies übersetzen
20:57 mauvebic i like cookies too
20:57 PilzAdam Kacey, that sounds like google translator
20:57 Kacey es ist nicht
20:58 PilzAdam *Tut es nicht
20:58 mauvebic the last german movie i saw was 'The Lives of Others' (das leben... ?), french subs
20:58 john_mt|afk Aber es sieht ziemlich realistisch aus.
20:58 PilzAdam mauvebic, Das leben der anderen
20:58 john_mt|afk mauvebic: Das leben der Anderen.
20:58 mauvebic thats it! thanks
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20:59 john_minetest The film is even mentioned in the german wikipedia article ^^. It won several prizes.
20:59 john_minetest *Wikipedia article about germany
20:59 mauvebic i loved it
20:59 mauvebic so many crap movies this decades its nice to see things with depth
20:59 mauvebic *decade
20:59 Jordach mauvebic, rubbish, Die Hard 5 is out soon :D
20:59 jojoa1997 nobody makes good movies these days
20:59 mauvebic ugh
20:59 mauvebic lol
20:59 jojoa1997 only the old  ones are good
21:00 mauvebic though the first die hard mentionned the FLQ lol
21:00 Jordach Back to the Future anyone?
21:00 mauvebic our local freedom fighters from the 70s
21:00 john_minetest jojoa1997: There are a lot of REALLY GOOD french films.
21:00 jojoa1997 well i am talking about American
21:00 Kacey Deloreans FTW!!!!!!
21:00 jojoa1997 there are good ones but only old ones have good stories
21:01 mauvebic american movies of late...
21:01 mauvebic the departed counts?
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21:02 john_minetest There are several really good french films with Dominique Pinon. Delicatessen, The City of Lost Children and some more.
21:03 Muadtralk I don't know if we are only talking about live action here but Une vie de chat is good
21:04 PilzAdam Muadtralk, I have done the minetest-classic build
21:04 Muadtralk have you?
21:04 Muadtralk let us see if it works :P
21:04 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
21:04 mauvebic french films: loved L'Affaire Farewell
21:04 PilzAdam it crashes in wine
21:04 Muadtralk :P
21:04 Muadtralk thats how it goes!
21:04 Muadtralk :)
21:05 john_minetest oh, 2 more good french films: "micmacs" and "chocolat"
21:06 mauvebic british films: loved Rock'n'Rolla
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21:11 Muadtralk pilzadam it has the same issue as any other windows build attempted
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21:26 VanessaE there.  HDX updated for recent changes to moreblocks, signs, homedecor
21:28 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on VanessaE's head
21:28 * VanessaE puts the kitten in thexyz's pile.
21:28 VanessaE (Oldcoder's pile is overflowing)
21:29 kaeza any comments on this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69482#p69482
21:31 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/YB527Rh.jpg
21:31 RealBadAngel im almost done with new facedir
21:32 NekoGloop 6-directional facedir? :D
21:32 RealBadAngel yes
21:32 NekoGloop :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
21:32 RealBadAngel you can rotate nodes around each axis
21:32 Kacey will sonic screwdriver ever do anything?
21:33 RealBadAngel code is pain in the ass because you have manually select faces and define rotations for them
21:34 mauvebic temeprature based biomes: desert center, winter edges :-)
21:34 RealBadAngel i took wooden box, numbered the faces, and rotated it, to fill the table lol
21:35 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;feature=endscreen&amp;v=cXIntBROVGM pointles...
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21:36 RealBadAngel kacey, its already usable (maybe, just like VanessaE, you havent try to charge it first ;) )
21:36 mauvebic if the center was desert then it would force people to move out, and the edges (+32K) would be too cold to settle much beyond
21:37 sapier is someone here who can tell me why I can't use a static function from another cpp file?
21:37 khonkhortisan NekoGloop, Multiple mouth is worse than multiple chin
21:37 khonkhortisan :D)))
21:38 MiJyn Hey, are there any tutorials on texturing?
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21:38 PilzAdam bye
21:38 mauvebic what kind of tutorials?
21:39 mauvebic for using gimp, ex?
21:39 mauvebic finding source images?
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21:41 Jeija_ hi
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 Jeija_ thexyz dont be dumb, you cant ban me bitch, ill be back like a glum you so fagg your mouth smells like cum, and gum is useless, im in my room drinking plum flavored rum, the best fucking player on this game, the rest are scum, why you acting tough, your in the slum, get a job you fucking bum. BIIIITCHHH!!!
21:41 mauvebic bye bye
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21:42 mauvebic why is webchat not totally blocked? lol
21:43 MiJyn @mauvebic, sorry for my late reply, no, I have the textures, it's for aligning them with the nodebox
21:43 MiJyn because it currently looks really odd
21:46 VanessaE NOW FOR FUCKS SAKE.  DO NOT CLEAR THE G*D DAMN BAN LIST.  Okay?
21:47 berome wow, hi there
21:47 VanessaE hi
21:47 MiJyn @VanessaE, please don't swear
21:47 RealBadAngel ban webchat
21:47 berome VanessaE: :-)
21:47 berome RealBadAngel: :-)
21:47 kaeza RealBadAngel: where is the technic music pack?
21:48 RealBadAngel a sec
21:48 MiJyn Sorry, but are there any tutorials on aligning textures with nodeboxes?
21:48 berome hi kaeza, survival stuff are great, as I quicly seen
21:48 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/technicambience.zip
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21:50 kaeza RealBadAngel: thanks! :) It was linked from your topic before, but not anymore...
21:50 RealBadAngel it is from ambience mod page
21:50 kaeza berome: thanks :) have you tried it?
21:50 berome MiJyn: yes
21:51 berome noT SOON BUT IDEA AND WORK IS ALREADY GREAT
21:51 berome wow too big fingers sorry :-)
21:52 berome sorry for upper cases
21:52 kaeza berome: I forgot to mention, but there are also meters/gauges to measure player's hunger/thirst/oxygen
21:52 berome MiJyn: you could find some threads on forum...
21:52 kaeza fully functional :)
21:53 MiJyn berome, where? I've tried to find them
21:53 kaeza inspired by RBA's use of the tool wear for power items
21:53 berome MiJyn: ok, wait please
21:54 mauvebic mijyn one trick is to measure your nodeboxes in 1/16th's
21:54 mauvebic to match the pixels in a 16px texture
21:54 mauvebic then its easy as pie
21:54 MiJyn @mauvebic, oh ok...
21:55 Kacey pie is easy but pi is not lol
21:55 Kacey kaeza: hola
21:55 berome MiJyn: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2333 <- here, that's help's ?
21:55 kaeza MiJyn: look at my compuyters mod, in particular, the pixelnodebox() function in init.lua
21:55 mauvebic the diff between -0.5 and 0.5 amounts to 1, so 1/16 for your nodebox dims
21:55 kaeza computers*
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21:56 Kacey haha
21:56 Taoki New physics are ready for testing and merging: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/483
21:56 Kacey stupid Aggies
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21:58 bulletrulz Hello minetest people
21:58 bulletrulz MiJyn:
21:58 MiJyn @kaeza, could you link me to it?
21:58 MiJyn @bulletrulz, hey
21:59 MiJyn @berome, that's for models, I have my model done, but I just want to texture it :)
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21:59 RustyAsain hi
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22:00 berome MiJyn: yeah sorry, understood it too late :-|
22:00 MiJyn ok
22:00 bulletrulz MiJyn: get on skype
22:00 MiJyn bulletrulz, already on :)
22:02 Kacey we need a code word for when LM is on
22:02 Kacey how about kitty
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22:02 bulletrulz codeword is HOLY DUCK FUCK ITS LANDMAID
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22:02 MiJyn @bulletrulz, I think that's sort of obvious :P
22:03 Kacey kitty isnt
22:03 * john_minetest puts a kitten on everybody's head
22:03 RealBadAngel i wonder how much one can stand before bannin this damn webchat
22:03 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCIkbr9HCcw&amp;feature=endscreen intel is a show off
22:03 mauvebic i thought vanessa did
22:03 RealBadAngel no, she banned some ip
22:03 berome thanks john_minetest
22:03 RealBadAngel not the webchat
22:03 Kacey Aggies wouldnt be able to get on then
22:04 kaeza I'm also on Webchat currently...
22:04 RealBadAngel good reason to install irc clieant
22:04 kaeza but if it's to get this ftard off #minetest, then ban WebChat
22:04 Kacey he cant
22:05 RealBadAngel why?
22:05 kaeza I know, i'm talking to mods :D
22:05 Kacey Aggies' computer sucks monkey balls because of windows 7
22:05 kaeza ...
22:05 kaeza true
22:06 Kacey i told him to put linux on it
22:06 kaeza why not use the old & free mIRC?
22:06 Kacey but NOOOOOOOO he likes winshit 7
22:06 VanessaE I AM about this [] close to banning the webchat actually.
22:06 NekoGloop because mIRC sucks?
22:07 RealBadAngel then use XChat
22:07 VanessaE there are dozens of free IRC clients out there
22:07 VanessaE webchat is for the lazy.
22:08 kaeza thanks VanessaE :/
22:08 NekoGloop the lazy like LandMine?
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22:09 VanessaE sorry kaeza...
22:09 VanessaE ShadowNinja: sorry about that, I'm working on the server at the moment.
22:09 kaeza and also, ShadowNinja
22:09 NakedFury ban any user mentioning landmine
22:09 VanessaE /ban NakedFury
22:09 VanessaE ;)
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22:09 VanessaE Taoki: ok, your fork is in place and live.
22:09 Taoki awesome, will log in
22:09 NakedFury mine bot ban any user with landmine or land+mine+whatever in its nick
22:10 Taoki If anyone else wants to test the new physics feel free to come
22:10 NakedFury sry was away, what new physics?
22:10 kaeza Taoki: new physics?
22:10 VanessaE at least I think it is
22:10 Kacey new physics?
22:10 Taoki kaeza: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/483 Read the notes there
22:10 Taoki Kacey: ^
22:11 VanessaE Taoki: How will I know if this is working?
22:11 VanessaE wait a sec
22:11 VanessaE I maybe compiled the wrong branch
22:11 Taoki VanessaE: Small air acceleration and diving in water works, for the most part
22:12 VanessaE this is the master branch of your fork
22:12 Kacey !up menche.servegame.com
22:12 Taoki ahh
22:13 Kacey bot isnt even here
22:13 Menche it should be up
22:13 Kacey Menche, i cant connect
22:13 Taoki VanessaE: No, the correct branch is movement on remote mirceakitsune
22:13 Menche not now?
22:13 VanessaE d'oh!
22:13 kaeza Taoki: that is excellent!
22:13 VanessaE ok, lemme recompile :D
22:13 Kacey nope no connect
22:13 Taoki For some reason I can't move on your server any more. Maybe lag
22:13 Menche hold on i'll check
22:13 proller PilzAdam, big ocean glitches now ok - it was lost one level
22:14 kaeza okay all, I gtg. See you maybe in a few days.
22:14 mauvebic registered nick
22:14 VanessaE proller: you're doing something like finite water in C++ then?
22:14 VanessaE ciao kaeza
22:14 Kacey a few days?!?!?! wow
22:14 kaeza ;)
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22:15 proller VanessaE, yes, https://github.com/proller/minetest/tree/liquid
22:15 VanessaE sweet
22:15 Kacey Menche, im in
22:15 VanessaE Taoki: ok, NOW it's up.
22:16 Taoki reconnecting
22:16 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:16 mauvebic maple trees can tinkle syrup?
22:16 Menche Kacey: my router gave the server a different IP address
22:16 VanessaE haha I can run on water now :D
22:16 Menche had to adjust the forwarding rules
22:16 Kacey wow
22:16 mauvebic (takes helluva long time)
22:16 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:16 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:17 VanessaE Taoki: up is way too fast
22:17 ShadowNinja vanessaE: is your server back now?
22:17 Taoki VanessaE: Up and down should be as fast as horizontal movement
22:17 VanessaE and down doesn't work at all (for me; I use the 'e' key)
22:17 VanessaE ShadowNinja: temporarily
22:17 Taoki VanessaE: Down is sneak, it works for me
22:18 VanessaE Taoki: sneak for me is shift, doesn't go down.
22:18 VanessaE did you account for "Aux1 descends"?
22:18 Taoki Weird. It works here
22:18 VanessaE or whatever it's called
22:18 Taoki I think so, I don't remember touching that
22:18 Taoki VanessaE: Anyway, try falling into deep water from very high. You see the nicest improvement there :)
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22:20 VanessaE yeah, I can't go down at all, because E = sprint on my setup; shift = sneak
22:20 VanessaE (other than slowly sinking)
22:21 Taoki yeah. Don't think its related to my code tho
22:21 VanessaE also,
22:22 VanessaE too much inertia after sprinting on land
22:22 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:22 VanessaE cut the stopping distance in half, I think
22:22 VanessaE crackerenherbe: I have, yes.
22:22 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:22 VanessaE vanessae.mine.bz port 30000
22:22 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:23 mauvebic from center to edge its 32K nodes ?
22:23 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:23 VanessaE crackerenherbe: you need to create a password (just type something you can remember that others can't guess)
22:24 VanessaE I don't allow empty passwords on my server
22:24 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:25 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:25 VanessaE yeah, mine lags for some people
22:25 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:25 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:26 Kacey going to wait for minetest to compile now...
22:28 VanessaE Taoki: ok, gravity is at 0.2 now
22:28 VanessaE whoa
22:28 Taoki Testing low gravity on VanessaE's server. If anyone is interested, compile my branch ( https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/483 ) and connect :)
22:28 VanessaE WHOOOOAAA
22:29 VanessaE am I on the moon or fricken CERES here? :-)
22:29 Taoki fun fun
22:29 Kacey i want to try :(
22:30 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:30 NekoGloop Ceres? SM reference? :D
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22:30 Kacey oops
22:30 crackerenherbe [deleted]
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22:31 VanessaE NekoGloop: Ceres is a dwarf planet or asteroid (I forget which) in the solar system's asteroid bely
22:31 VanessaE belt*
22:31 Kacey bely?
22:31 NekoGloop Ceres Space Station is the starting area of Super Metroid :P
22:31 VanessaE heh
22:31 Taoki VanessaE: Nothing renders on your server when I connect for some reason
22:31 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:31 Taoki oh fixed
22:31 VanessaE restarted it.
22:32 VanessaE crackerenherbe: you must be using minetest 0.4.4 from recent git to use my server
22:32 VanessaE 0.4.3 and previous won't work
22:32 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:32 VanessaE plus the game is slow at receiving media and likes to time out a lot.
22:32 Kacey i want to fly without fly privs :(
22:33 MiJyn I'm sorry, but I'm having a major issue with texturing
22:33 MiJyn I have a nodebox that is 2 blocks wide, 3 blocks high
22:33 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:33 MiJyn my textures match that
22:33 MiJyn and it STILL doesn't work!
22:34 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:34 VanessaE MiJyn: textures always tile if the node is > 1 node high/wide
22:34 VanessaE crackerenherbe: add to minetest.conf:   enable_texture_atlas = false
22:34 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:36 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:36 VanessaE a large chunk of texture data that can be flipped through rapidly.
22:37 sapier https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/484 -- secure file access API
22:37 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:37 MiJyn @VanessaE, oh
22:37 VanessaE if you setup can't use it (as in my server), it must revert to handling textures separately.
22:37 MiJyn http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69523#p69523
22:37 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:38 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:38 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:39 VanessaE wait it out.
22:39 VanessaE that's another bug
22:39 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:39 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:39 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:39 VanessaE the client and/or server seems to count through every damn thing there is, received or not, each time oyu connect
22:39 VanessaE (though received stuff of course takes far less time to count through)
22:39 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:40 VanessaE I see you :-)
22:41 * berome chabadabadabadaaa, chabadabadabadaaa
22:42 berome no ?
22:43 berome ok
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22:50 Kacey 75% there...
22:50 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:50 berome of media ? des mobs !!
22:51 VanessaE huh?
22:51 berome on dit des mobs :-)
22:51 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:51 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:51 VanessaE (also I shut it down just now, but it's back up)
22:51 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:51 VanessaE non parles vous Francais
22:51 VanessaE English only :-)
22:51 berome oui ; des mobs, les entitées "entity" sont appellées des mobs
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22:52 berome VanessaE: oui madame
22:52 berome :-)
22:52 berome I was serious
22:52 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:52 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:52 berome oui
22:52 berome ?
22:52 sapier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fe-a2gUccs german only but really crazy
22:54 jojoa1997 what are your favorite mods
22:54 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:54 berome crackerenherbe: le "problème"/avantage est que vanessa est australienne, C55 finlandais, marktraceur allemand, etc, ....
22:54 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:54 jojoa1997 also vanessae with your bobblocks how do i get obsidian
22:54 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:54 berome we need Engrish :-)
22:55 VanessaE jojoa1997: obsidian isn't in bobblocks.  it's in glooptest and technic
22:55 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:55 VanessaE (well gloopblocks and technic I mean)
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22:55 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:55 NekoGloop Not in glooptest.
22:56 berome Calinou is probably more advanced french coder than me :-)
22:56 NekoGloop Since technic has obsidian I'll use other ones.
22:56 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15_Y3_eRfOU
22:56 jojoa1997 gloopblocks is the one
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22:56 berome crackerenherbe: personnaly, I read it very comfortable .... ;-)))
22:56 jojoa1997 the nether mod has a nice obsidian
22:57 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:57 berome yeah, fingers in the noze
22:57 berome ...
22:57 crackerenherbe [deleted]
22:57 Kacey im a minute into the video
22:57 berome :-)
22:58 berome o,ly one (I type with one finger, I'm not advanced at all ...)
22:58 VanessaE either way, obsidian is just...there :-)
22:58 VanessaE gloopblocks makes it from lava+water in a certain combination
22:58 VanessaE not sure how technic gets it
22:59 * Kacey is going to start yelling "ha GAAAAY" randomly before the video is over
23:00 VanessaE why?
23:01 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15_Y3_eRfOU
23:02 RealBadAngel its gonna to be found near lava
23:03 Taoki RealBadAngel: Hey. Wanna help test low gravity in minetest? ;)
23:03 Taoki We're having that on VanessaE's server now, but you need my new physics code
23:03 john_minetest Kacey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiZGS6NQh64
23:03 Taoki Anyone else welcome
23:03 RealBadAngel ok, i will build it in a while
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23:04 Taoki https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/483 :) https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/483 for the code if you wanna
23:04 sokomine hi
23:04 * sokomine complains about vanessas server constantly shutting down :)
23:05 Taoki sokomine: My fault this time, I made an update to the code we're testing
23:05 sokomine :-) don't worry. it sounds intresting
23:05 RealBadAngel taoki: can you point me to your branch? i mean not the patch just
23:06 jojoa1997 vanessae is the tree spawner command on your servr
23:06 VanessaE jojoa1997: tree spawner command?
23:06 jojoa1997 nvm it is RBA's treee mod
23:08 Kacey Taoki, i downloaded and compile latest client from your repo, but it doesnt change
23:13 rarkenin_ In the 3d textures for players, what are the head accessory components?
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23:13 RealBadAngel Taoki, ? can you give us link to the branch?
23:13 Taoki RealBadAngel: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/483
23:13 jojoa1997 VanessaE is it possible to make a tree grow instantly
23:14 RealBadAngel Taoki, how im supposed to compile a patch? :)
23:15 Taoki RealBadAngel: Oh, thought that had the correct link. https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest/tree/movement
23:15 RealBadAngel from where have you pulled it?
23:15 RealBadAngel :)
23:15 VanessaE https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest
23:17 Kacey wtf man
23:17 Kacey to do a git checkout what do i do
23:17 Oblivion1500 hello everyone
23:18 Menche Kacey: git clone (address)
23:18 Kacey done that
23:18 Kacey to get a seperate branch
23:18 Menche git checkout movement
23:18 Kacey fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
23:18 berome hello Oblivion1500
23:18 Menche are you in the top of the directory?
23:19 Menche like where you would be to update it
23:19 Kacey im doing this the long way
23:20 Kacey now i wait
23:22 Menche my netbook is not good at compiling...
23:23 Kacey mine is :P
23:23 Kacey same exact netbook too
23:23 Menche compared to my more powerful laptop
23:24 Oblivion1500 maybe your not good at compiling?
23:24 Oblivion1500 lol
23:24 Menche my atom just takes longer, is all
23:25 Menche of course
23:25 Oblivion1500 hmm sounds like you need an upgrade of some sort
23:25 Oblivion1500 ram, cpu, network card ect
23:26 Menche upgrade = move to my laptop that has an i5
23:27 Oblivion1500 and trash your other comp?
23:27 Oblivion1500 can i have it?
23:27 Kacey i want it!
23:28 Kacey i have the exact same one :P
23:28 Oblivion1500 i asked first
23:28 Oblivion1500 see you dont need it
23:28 Kacey yes i do
23:28 Menche lol it works great, just my laptop is faster :P
23:28 Kacey this one has poor cpu
23:29 Oblivion1500 can the cpu be upgraded?
23:29 Menche not sure
23:29 Taoki RealBadAngel: Sorry for the delay. What do you mean from where I pulled it?
23:29 Oblivion1500 open it up and see
23:29 Oblivion1500 lol
23:29 Kacey no
23:30 berome bye all :-)
23:30 RealBadAngel Taoki, i got it, i mean link to the repo
23:31 Taoki ok, posted that in that case. Glad it works
23:31 Oblivion1500 bye berome
23:31 Taoki Update it again if you got it, I fixed another bug
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23:31 RealBadAngel im connectin already
23:39 sapier plz review: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/484
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23:44 Menche a client with the movement branch can connect to a normal server, but trying to move makes the client promptly freeze
23:46 Kacey 77% built
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23:48 Kacey 88%
23:48 NekoGloop Change the version_protocol to something over 9000.
23:55 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaGZjaQ/Screenshot%20-%2002102013%20-%2004:54:18%20PM.png ascii display test in multimedia logic

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