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Time Nick Message
00:01 brandy where is everyone from 30004?
00:01 Kacey Uberi, i cannot find it
00:01 marktraceur brandy: Not born yet
00:02 Uberi Kacey: do you have the luacontrollers branch?
00:02 Kacey yes
00:02 Uberi are you sure? where did you get it from?
00:02 brandy hahahaha, i wanna be funny like you when i grow up :P
00:02 marktraceur brandy: I hope you are :)
00:03 Kacey github
00:03 Uberi link?
00:03 brandy it was a joke, i have 4 children, I hope im grown up lol
00:04 Kacey https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/tree/luacontroller
00:04 Uberi and you didn't find a single pdf?
00:05 marktraceur "If I come back there and I find a PDF, you don't get your toy back"
00:05 Uberi :P
00:05 Kacey i found mesecons micro pdf
00:11 M13 Why cant i download minetest-0.4-dev.20120408 from c55.me?
00:11 M13 it says forbidden
00:12 Muadtralk why are you going back that far?
00:13 Muadtralk more importantly I don't remember anything special about that release
00:13 Muadtralk you try getting it from github?
00:13 Muadtralk you can download from tags IIRC
00:14 Uberi he means mods, mauvebic
00:14 M13 no
00:14 M13 the windows client
00:14 Uberi * Muadtralk
00:14 Uberi M13: windows client? yeah git history is your best bet
00:15 M13 thats source
00:15 M13 please link me
00:15 marktraceur Then you built it
00:15 marktraceur build*
00:15 VanessaE why do you want such an old version of MT?
00:16 VanessaE 2014-04-08 is way obsolete.
00:16 Uberi M13: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tags
00:16 VanessaE won't work with anything current.
00:16 Muadtralk yes that was 4 versions ago!
00:16 Muadtralk are you absurd? :P
00:16 M13 I got some old mods for it
00:16 berome minetest-0.4.dev-20120408-win32.zip  that ?
00:16 M13 yes
00:16 Muadtralk could one not update them M13?
00:16 berome work for me ????
00:16 M13 please upload the filesend or something
00:17 M13 to**
00:17 berome why it would work for me but not you
00:17 berome ?
00:17 Muadtralk what mods M13?
00:17 berome sure I will try to do that otherwise ...
00:18 VanessaE M13 LEARN TO COMPILE.
00:18 VanessaE this is github.
00:18 VanessaE learn to use it.
00:18 VanessaE please.
00:18 M13 VanessaE
00:18 marktraceur s/hub//
00:18 M13 I HATE WINDOWS
00:18 VanessaE it is not at all hard to use.
00:18 VanessaE so?  git/github is OS-agnostic.
00:18 marktraceur Then don't use it
00:18 M13 I HAVE TRIED IT
00:18 Muadtralk If I remember correctly M13 are you ubuntunerd or madchicken?
00:18 VanessaE Muadtralk: correct.
00:18 Uberi M13: git works on linux/potato/whatever you use
00:18 Muadtralk then I know that he knows how to compile
00:19 Uberi though it will be pretty slow on a potato
00:19 M13 yes but ubuntu is sucky now, it dont support my graphics card ... :'(
00:19 Muadtralk or at least appears to know
00:19 berome Uberi: yes, potato rocks :-)))
00:19 M13 and its spyware
00:19 Muadtralk then use something else
00:19 Muadtralk plenty of fish
00:19 M13 I use puppy linux
00:19 M13 ill try it
00:19 VanessaE M13 then downgrade to a version that works for your card.
00:19 VanessaE or make sure you are running the drivers appropriate to it
00:20 VanessaE ubuntu isn't spyware.
00:20 VanessaE you're thinking of Unity.
00:20 VanessaE which you can avoid running if you want.
00:20 VanessaE I use Ubuntu with XFCE.
00:20 VanessaE no spyware here.
00:21 Muadtralk or switch to gnome
00:21 Muadtralk which is much better
00:21 Muadtralk and looks simalar
00:21 Muadtralk similar*
00:21 berome yes still possible ^
00:22 M13 I use xfce
00:22 M13 its the graphics card tho
00:22 M13 Puppy Supports it but Ubuntu doesnt lolz
00:22 M13 berome
00:22 berome ? yes
00:22 M13 did you upload???
00:23 Uberi M13: so you're looking for the source code of Minetest, an old version?
00:23 Uberi or a binary for puppy linux?
00:23 M13 no
00:23 berome are you sure you need that ?
00:23 Uberi what are you looking for then, M13?
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00:23 M13 I can get the package for puppy
00:23 VanessaE M13: if one distro supports it and the other does not, then you need to find out *why* it doesn't and how to fix it.
00:23 M13 I need the client for windows
00:23 Uberi M13: one moment
00:23 VanessaE go get it from the forums.
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00:23 VanessaE Pilzadam's thread
00:23 VanessaE or thexyz's
00:23 VanessaE or sfan5's
00:23 M13 o ok
00:23 Uberi which version again, M13?
00:23 Muadtralk M13 what mods do you have from that era?
00:24 berome wait puppy is able to boot in some special old but robust graphic server
00:24 VanessaE and STOP focusing on outdated versions.  Help us make the *current* one better.
00:24 berome all distrib can't do that
00:24 Uberi M13: oh try this: https://github.com/downloads/celeron55/minetest/minetest-0.4.dev-20120408-win32.zip
00:24 Uberi windows client 0408
00:24 M13 Thanks
00:24 * berome trust experimented people advices here
00:24 Uberi all downloads here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/downloads
00:24 Uberi no problem :)
00:25 M13 Im not trying to use it
00:25 M13 its just mrtux whats my to run a lighter version on mineteston his vps
00:25 Uberi seems like 0.4.3 is the most popular minetest ever
00:25 Muadtralk then strip existing version
00:25 Muadtralk disable everything
00:25 M13 yes
00:26 Muadtralk remove anything new from default
00:27 mrtux m13: I just let you use my vps, I have limited memory.
00:28 M13 yes
00:28 mrtux you can use 0.4.4 if you want
00:28 mrtux but if you use too much ram, i'll terminate the process
00:28 M13 ill use 0.4.3
00:28 M13 its more light
00:28 mrtux *facepalm*
00:28 M13 what????
00:28 * mrtux thinks M13 likes old software
00:28 Muadtralk wouldn't it take more space to have old and new?
00:28 M13 yup, lolz
00:28 mrtux m13 i'm just joking around
00:29 Muadtralk whats the size diff anyway?
00:29 mrtux M13 installed an ancient forum script on my server and it had a ton of security holes ;)
00:29 mrtux last updated: 2008
00:29 M13 lolz, nope
00:29 M13 2004
00:29 mrtux Seriously?
00:29 M13 that was my bad :(
00:29 M13 yes
00:29 Muadtralk .4 mb difference
00:30 mrtux I won't use anything that old on a production server
00:31 Muadtralk if you can't spare .4 mb from 0.4.3 to 0.4.4 you have bigger issues
00:31 mrtux I'm not that concerned about storage, I got around 6GB free space
00:31 mrtux and i remove temporary files every once and a while
00:31 Muadtralk i know
00:32 Muadtralk I am just pointing out how absurd it is :P
00:32 Kacey Uberi, pm
00:32 M13 mrtux, compiling minetest0.4.4
00:32 M13 i deleted the old files
00:32 mrtux k
00:33 mrtux I already got a binary compiled
00:34 M13 o lolz, its at 80 % so... yeah
00:34 M13 its done
00:39 berome (M13 puppy can choise between Xorg or Xvesa, wich is a old graphical server; that's may explain why ubuntu (no more Xvesa) can't handle graphics card "right of the box)
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00:51 M13 umm.. idk, im using a raspberry pi
00:53 berome 8-/ ok, I havn't catched that.
00:53 khonkhortisan caught
00:54 berome ok :-), sorry for my bad grammar, and thanks
01:00 Uberi for reference, Jeija posted a luacontroller description here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65031#p65031
01:07 Kacey khonkhortisan, the server is back up
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01:10 mrtux M13: please stop your minetest server. I'm going to compile a kernel.
01:11 M13 ok its not online
01:11 mrtux k
01:11 M13 just configureing it
01:13 mrtux m13: you may use port 12302
01:13 mrtux just don't run the server yet
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01:59 khonkhortisan Can I change the branch a github pull request is from?
01:59 marktraceur Yes.
01:59 khonkhortisan how?
02:00 marktraceur Dunno
02:00 marktraceur Just remember doing it once
02:00 khonkhortisan I know I can decide when I make it, but I don't know how after.
02:00 khonkhortisan My one branch adds a new node, by other branch changes the existing node instead.
02:00 Kacey khonkhortisan, why did you leave?
02:01 khonkhortisan the display wasn't working right and the bottom part is a mess, and you weren't there
02:01 Kacey i switched back to my mesecons map
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02:04 Kacey how do i set multiple ports on a luacontroller?
02:05 khonkhortisan Is it better to create a new pull request and link it to the old one, or to delete my commit and add another one so it stays in the same request?
02:07 khonkhortisan bah, I'l just --force
02:07 Uberi|Away Kacey: port.a, port.b = true, false
02:07 Kacey with multiple pins
02:08 khonkhortisan haha "khonkhortisan added a commit | Uberi commented" was changed to "Uberi commented | khonkhortisan added a commit"
02:08 NakedFury helloses
02:12 Kacey broke my client lol
02:12 khonkhortisan F10?
02:13 Kacey no
02:13 Kacey got stuck in the luacontroller
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02:21 khonkhortisan error: ‘u64’ has not been declared
02:21 Kacey ?
02:21 khonkhortisan trying to compile a luaµC-compatible client
02:21 Kacey aah
02:22 Uberi|Away khonkhortisan: missing types header?
02:23 khonkhortisan I have u64, s64 has not been declared, was not declared in this scope, does not name a type, expected ;, ), primary-expression, warning: right shift count >= width of type
02:24 Kacey how do i make a not gate using luacontrollers?
02:24 khonkhortisan how would I check for a types header?
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02:24 khonkhortisan If I had luacontrollers, I could tell you.
02:24 khonkhortisan But I have black boxes
02:27 Kacey i got it ^_^
02:33 mauvebic are MCedit's schematics terribly different from MT ones?
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02:33 Uberi|Away mauvebic: MT schematics? what kind?
02:34 mauvebic well im using binvox to generate a schematic file, though its an MCedit one
02:35 Uberi|Away how are you feeding MT maps into it?
02:36 NakedFury he is starting from scratch
02:36 NakedFury then will have to do it in MT too
02:36 NakedFury unless he can come up with a schematic converter
02:36 NakedFury and we will all hug him
02:36 NakedFury a bear hug
02:37 mauvebic im looking for an -t flag to binvox thatll give me xyz coordinates
02:37 khonkhortisan Uberi|Away, not the types header, but older irrlicht.
02:37 Uberi|Away ah
02:38 mauvebic aparently MC's schematics are pcx files
02:40 mauvebic theres also HIPS, MIRA, VTK, 'raw', and .smh
02:40 mauvebic *msh
02:40 Uberi|Away :/
02:41 mauvebic ill try raw
02:41 mauvebic if it gives anything i can parse thats good 'nuff lol
02:42 mauvebic though im no longer impressed by the scale version of ships in MC knowing they can just import meshes into there lol
02:46 khonkhortisan woah the ui moved
02:46 khonkhortisan there's a server list?!!!!
02:46 NekoGloop le gasp
02:46 Kacey ya
02:47 khonkhortisan that's something pepé le pew would say
02:49 * Kacey is starting to love luacontrollers
02:49 khonkhortisan 3 segfaults to your server
02:50 Kacey haha it happens
02:50 khonkhortisan 4
02:51 khonkhortisan 5
02:51 khonkhortisan I don't think I can get in
02:51 Kacey haha idk either
02:51 khonkhortisan aah! singleplayer segfaults too
02:51 khonkhortisan :(
02:52 Kacey hmm...
02:52 Uberi|Away segfault or error?
02:52 khonkhortisan the former
02:52 khonkhortisan Segmentation fault
02:53 khonkhortisan svn up'd irrlicht, compiling agian
02:55 * Kacey gets up and dances
02:57 * Kacey doesnt know how he will make a d-flop with luacontrollers
02:57 Kacey im off to bed
02:57 Kacey night all
02:57 khonkhortisan I made something similar to a d-flop where the second wire turned the output off
02:58 * khonkhortisan was too late
03:02 Uberi|Away if you want, tell kacey to use this: port.a = not pin.a
03:04 Uberi|Away well I'm outta here
03:04 Menche servers.minetest.ru says my server is down
03:04 Menche yet i am on it right now
03:05 Menche is minetest-tan back yet?
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03:24 khonkhortisan it segfaults in src/mesh.cpp generateTextureFromMesh
03:31 marktraceur VanessaE: Ping, re: licensing of unified dyes
03:36 khonkhortisan Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value
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03:46 khonkhortisan BackupCoder, we know who you are
03:46 khonkhortisan your cloak gives you away
03:46 NekoGloop He isn't very well trying to hide, either.
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04:22 khonkhortisan I know
04:26 khonkhortisan ick, I downloaded a windows build.
04:26 khonkhortisan Normally I can catch the os of the software I'm downloading
04:27 khonkhortisan where is the windows minetest.conf?
04:28 khonkhortisan nevermind
04:34 * OldCoder back in a bit
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06:21 VanessaE marktraceur: what about licensing?
06:22 VanessaE "License:  For the buckets of paint, cc-by-sa 3.0.  For everything else, GPL."
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06:31 ]DMackey[ Hey VanessaE
06:31 VanessaE hey, long time no see
06:32 ]DMackey[ LOL how in the hell ya been?
06:32 VanessaE oh I've been fair to middlin
06:32 ]DMackey[ Well thats better than BAD I guess. :)
06:32 marktraceur VanessaE: "GPL" is ambiguous and your files have no license headers
06:33 VanessaE ok, fixing that.
06:33 ]DMackey[ Ya know how I call my Man cave the "Commodore Dungeon" ? WQQell I registered that domain name :)
06:33 VanessaE nice
06:33 VanessaE marktraceur: DMackey is someone I know from the C64 channels I used to hang out on.
06:33 ]DMackey[ I need to install that Minetest one of these days..
06:33 marktraceur Cool cool
06:34 ]DMackey[ My Site : http://www.n2dvm.com/blog
06:34 VanessaE marktraceur: I think it's sufficient to include a LICENSE file and put the declaration at the top of init.lua
06:34 ]DMackey[ Just updated the blog the other day, did a case mod for a Comet modem
06:34 VanessaE since that's the only actual code in the mod anyway
06:35 marktraceur VanessaE: Then yes, it would be
06:35 ]DMackey[ I wonder if Minetest could be installed on my Raspberry Pi
06:37 * hmmmm [screams internally]
06:38 VanessaE marktraceur: fixed in git.
06:38 VanessaE hmmmm:  now now.  take a chill pill :-)
06:38 VanessaE DM is quite new to this.
06:40 ]DMackey[ heh yeah I am... hey I just escaped 8bit machines ya know
06:44 VanessaE heh
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07:00 VanessaE bedtime for me.  DM, feel free to hang around.  Most folks here are pretty easy-going.
07:00 VanessaE but don't talk about C64 stuff here too much, lest you raise the ire of someone who has little patience for offtopic chat.  :-)
07:00 VanessaE night all.
07:01 ]DMackey[ sweet, will do.
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09:12 xming any reason why that Lua is chosen instead of LuaJIT?
09:38 thexyz xming: iirc, LuaJIT is good for math
09:38 thexyz lua mods usually do not do any [hardcore?] math
09:39 xming luaJIT even without Jitting is faster than vanilla
09:40 xming and with JIT, it's even faster
09:40 xming math or not
10:02 thexyz I tested it once with minetest
10:03 thexyz profiler reported that luajit is slower
10:08 xming weird :D
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11:38 celeron55 http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/ars_longa_vita_brevis.PNG
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11:59 whirm celeron55: do you still want a new hosting?
12:00 thexyz whirm: just FYI, we moved minetest forum to my server
12:03 celeron55 well, we need to find out where to host packages, now as github doesn't allow them anymore and the current host of minetest.net is too slow for them
12:04 whirm celeron55: it was around 60~70GB/month right?
12:05 celeron55 dunno if i want to arrange that myself at all; but i think it isn't a very good idea to put all hosting burden on thexyz
12:05 celeron55 whirm: at the present rate, something like that
12:07 whirm I can host those on one of my servers if you want
12:08 whirm celeron55: what access type do you preffer? rscync, sftp, ftp?
12:10 celeron55 whatever hosting is taken, future integration of a mod database and possibly other things to the site should be taken into account
12:11 celeron55 because finding an another host for those is too much extra work
12:12 whirm celeron55: isn't it better to just check out the mods from github for example?
12:14 celeron55 this isn't a discussion about whether it is needed; it's already planned in practice
12:14 xming how much disk space is needed?
12:14 celeron55 probably not much; a larger issue is software support
12:14 xming if not much I can host them if the traffic is < 100G/month
12:15 xming I can even host at 2 locations (UK and BE)
12:15 celeron55 or, well... mods heavy on textures and sounds can be terribly large
12:16 celeron55 but don't ask me, i don't really know what it will or should be like, and won't be the one who makes it
12:16 celeron55 (most likely)
12:16 celeron55 the problem is, i don't know who knows either 8)
12:17 xming well isn't torrenting an option?
12:19 celeron55 don't think so
12:20 xming well sf.net is an option
12:22 celeron55 ideally, there would be a focused web developer willing to make, maintain and host a central open source web service for whatever minetest ends up finding useful
12:23 xming like a mintest-forge?
12:23 celeron55 my butt feeling is that such could get enough donations (given that it asked them, and behaved in a way that the community likes) to cover a bit more than hosting costs
12:24 xming one host is a single point of failure, sf.net has nice ditrubuted servers
12:24 celeron55 can you integrate an in-game mod manager with sf.net or github or so?
12:24 xming IIRC sf.net give you ability to host webapps
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12:25 xming so via RPC/SOAP/ReST
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12:25 celeron55 that could be a thing to research a bit more
12:26 celeron55 personally, i don't really like sf.net - the ads all over it makes it just awul
12:26 celeron55 but i guess that is what it takes to run such a free thing
12:26 xming and it can be slow at times :D
12:27 xming but the ads are just on their "standard" pages
12:27 xming I don't think I ever saw ads on the hosted webapps
12:27 celeron55 i wonder if somebody more involved with sf.net would be interested to discuss such stuff in here
12:28 celeron55 i repeat, though: i'm just poking stuff here in order to see if something useful emerges
12:28 xming I have participate some proj. on sf
12:28 celeron55 not going to do anything :D
12:29 celeron55 (because of other projects)
12:29 xming if you want I can do some research when I have time
12:30 xming other possibility so to push mod binaries (zip/tar/..) into git and host on github
12:30 xming but github has 300MB sof limit
12:30 whirm I could provide a VPS, depending on the traffic and CPU/ram consumption
12:31 xming https://bitbucket.org/ offers are better than github
12:31 celeron55 i currently can pay something like $50-100 per year (from donations), if that makes any difference
12:32 xming doing hosting on ones own requires more than just one host
12:32 whirm xming, celeron55: If you are interested in a p2p solution for distribuiting mods, we are developing a content distribuition system that I think it would be ideal for this here at the TUDelft
12:32 xming we don't want single point of failure
12:32 celeron55 whirm: is it open source, free and cross-platform?
12:33 whirm yup
12:33 xming is it in lua?
12:33 whirm c++
12:33 xming that sounds really nice
12:34 whirm and its quite lightweight
12:34 celeron55 do you have a link or something?
12:34 whirm http://libswift.org/
12:35 whirm I don't know if it's up to date tough
12:35 whirm if you are interested I can ask for recent papers to the developers here
12:37 xming any apps built with swift?
12:38 whirm there's Tribler and Android
12:38 whirm 's tribler mobile
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12:38 whirm which allows you to do real time p2p video streaming
12:38 whirm directly from the phone
12:38 xming this one? http://www.tribler.org/trac
12:39 whirm and there's some smart TV's with swift builtin
12:39 whirm but I don't have much info on this, I could ask
12:39 celeron55 you could throw the link on #minetest-dev with a note of what it could be useful for and what problems it could solve
12:39 whirm xming: yes, but the trac/wiki are rotting we are moving to github in a couple of months
12:40 xming git repo here https://github.com/triblerteam/libswift
12:47 xming okay, I am trying to setup a minetest server 24/7
12:47 xming What gametypes/mods should be used?
12:48 xming I am totally new, so I don't know what's fun, stable and what's not
12:48 whirm ok, done
12:51 xming is the vanilla game attractive enough?
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13:03 celeron55 xming: not that much - to figure out what to try, it's probably easiest to take a quick look on the forum
13:05 xming celeron55: few things that I am afraid of, compatibility of all those mods interacting, and compatibility with future minetest
13:05 xming or is the lua API "stable" enough for that?
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13:08 celeron55 also, if you install a lot of content on it: minetest's udp stack performs poorly transferring a lot of bulk stuff, so you'll want to copy the mod content on a http server and set up... eh, how on earth is this so hard to find
13:09 celeron55 i wonder how anyone's going to configure a server with this documentation 8D
13:09 xming :D
13:09 xming celeron55: is it possible to have a in game redirect
13:09 celeron55 who the HELL left out remote_media from minetest.conf.example
13:09 xming UT has that for large transfers over http
13:10 xming Oh there is one?
13:10 celeron55 thexyz: fix the documentation, even i can't figure out how this is supposed to be used
13:11 celeron55 xming: yes, there exists a configuration variable called remote_media, that is supposed to have a HTTP base URL and contain the media, to speed up transfers much from what minetest otherwise does
13:11 celeron55 but i can't find the specifics
13:12 xming hehe
13:12 xming is there a roadmap of some sort of MT?
13:12 celeron55 and i was going to write a small HTTP server to minetest to allow easy speedup but... ehm, well, some day!
13:13 xming celeron55: why not take some existing ones?
13:13 celeron55 xming: no, at this time i can't even pretend to have one
13:13 xming or fix the UDP stack :p
13:14 celeron55 well, it really depends on whether somebody gets to doing something (of reasonable quality)
13:15 celeron55 fixing the udp stack? well, you're free to try 8)
13:17 celeron55 so far nobody hasn't got the knowledge and balls to try
13:18 celeron55 i'd prefer converting the whole thing over TCP, but at least the bulk world data transfer depends on the capability of the UDP stack to report it's congestion status
13:18 celeron55 so it's not trivial
13:21 celeron55 doable it is, of course; it just requires someone to take the goal of reshaping all needed things until it works well
13:23 celeron55 there is also a scary amount of related unfinished work, but nobody will care about those if somebody fixes the stack once and for all
13:23 celeron55 8)
13:24 * celeron55 thinks he might sound quite demotivational
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13:26 xming idd :D
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13:39 thexyz wtf, isn't it obvious?
13:39 thexyz I have no idea what to document here
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13:44 celeron55 thexyz: there should be a comment in minetest.conf.example
13:44 thexyz # Specifies URL from which media would be fetched instead of fetching it via UDP
13:44 thexyz # $filename should be accessible from $remote_media$filename via cURL
13:44 thexyz # Files that are not present would be fetched the usual way
13:44 thexyz is it fine?
13:45 celeron55 hmm, maybe state that it is a server-side seting, and the client will fetch media from there
13:45 celeron55 +t
13:46 celeron55 well, the first should be obvious of it being in the bottom part
13:46 thexyz it already belongs to ># Server stuff
13:46 xming how is the client requesting the media? does it do mod/<modname>/<somefile>.lua texture/mytex/sometex
13:47 celeron55 "Specifies URL from which client fetches media instead of using UDP"
13:47 xming or just expecting everything in $remote_media/root
13:47 celeron55 $filename means no subdirectories; it's the same as for texture packs 8)
13:48 celeron55 ...probably worth mentioning
13:48 xming so I can't just make games and mods dirs http accessible
13:48 xming I will have to flatten them?
13:49 thexyz yes
13:49 thexyz it works the same way as UDP does
13:49 celeron55 minetest handles all media as flat files without any path/origin information
13:49 thexyz UDP-fetching
13:49 thexyz except that in latter case minetest manages all paths
13:50 celeron55 it was chosen for simplicity of using stuff from other mods, which is done somewhat extensively for textures
13:50 celeron55 and sounds, and... everything
13:51 celeron55 there should be a tool for making a flat version of a server's media i guess... or just have an in-built http server
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13:52 xming so mod devs need to be careful of name clashes
13:52 celeron55 it's easy - just prefix everything with "$modname_"
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13:53 xming I can make a shell script to ln -s whole games and mods dirs
13:54 xming I guess I onlt need textures and sounds sub dirs
13:55 thexyz http://bpaste.net/show/75707/
13:56 celeron55 xming: there are three subdirs: textures, sounds and media (that are completely interchangeable though)
13:56 celeron55 thexyz: good
13:57 celeron55 xming: server admins should generally read the things at the beginning of the almighty lua_api.txt: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
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14:01 celeron55 xming: so, if you read it, you will also notice that modpacks are possible, which will complicate your script 8)
14:01 celeron55 (they are easy to detect though)
14:02 STHGOM celeron55: can minetest have blocks rotate 45 degrees if no other blacks are close?
14:03 STHGOM *blocks
14:09 STHGOM anyone else who knows can answer too
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14:10 celeron55 not "natively"
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14:10 STHGOM does that mean you have to mod it?
14:10 Kacey msg nickserv identify minetest
14:10 celeron55 if you write a mod, you can probably emulate it a bit with nodeboxes or entities or so
14:10 Kacey ignore taht
14:10 STHGOM ok
14:10 Kacey that
14:10 celeron55 Kacey: 8D
14:11 STHGOM :D
14:11 Kacey changing password
14:11 celeron55 nice password
14:11 thexyz secure!
14:11 whirm haha
14:11 STHGOM :D
14:11 celeron55 well, i have done that too, in screenshots, twice in a row
14:11 Kacey switching to my ultra secure one
14:12 celeron55 never use any secure passwords in freenode
14:12 thexyz well, at least, you didn't copypaste it into wiki page like c55 did
14:12 celeron55 everyone will just leak them by their own stupidity anyways
14:12 STHGOM haha
14:12 STHGOM i donthave a password
14:12 STHGOM how do you get one?
14:12 thexyz I hope my bouncer is smart enough to not leak my password, but who knows..
14:13 celeron55 STHGOM: you can register a nick; then you have a password
14:13 thexyz STHGOM: /msg NickServ help
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14:14 Kacey ...
14:14 Kacey stupid nickserv
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14:14 thexyz of course it's nickserv's fault
14:14 STHGOM are you guys seeing this/
14:14 thexyz STHGOM: no, we don't
14:14 STHGOM ok good
14:15 STHGOM ohh well i cant register because i dont have -mail
14:15 Kacey aah password changed
14:16 Kacey stupid / key giving away my passwords
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14:30 Kacey i made a d-flop with an lua controller
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14:44 Deivan Hello.  Someone know the cause of messages "Could not open file of texture" in the terminal?
14:45 Kacey i usually just ignore those...
14:45 Deivan I have to many of this...
14:45 Deivan Ok, thank.
14:45 Deivan thanks
14:45 Kacey no problem
14:46 Kacey i also get texture format not supported (or unsupported texture format whatever) and a few others
14:56 Deivan How I set the respaw place?
14:56 Kacey idk
14:58 Deivan idk is a command?
15:16 marktraceur Deivan: it's in the conf file.
15:23 marktraceur VanessaE: Not that this is a problem, but your init.lua header says "at your option, any later version", is that your intent?
15:24 marktraceur (your forum post says 2.0 and not 2+, or 2 or later, which is generally the way to specify)
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15:59 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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16:37 rubenwardy hi all
16:40 * Jordach will be permanently upgrading to Linux next year
16:40 Jordach ...when XP runs out of support
16:40 rubenwardy What do you think of these icons? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=68838#p68838
16:41 khonkhortisan I'm running xyz's latest build and I don't have noclip
16:42 PilzAdam Jordach, wich distro?
16:42 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, /grant singleplayer noclip and then press H
16:42 khonkhortisan there's a button for that?
16:43 PilzAdam sure, see key config menu
16:44 khonkhortisan Toggle fly and Toggle noclip are both H :)
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16:45 khonkhortisan Does anyone else think the key config should be accessible without leaving a server?
16:45 VanessaE marktraceur: fixed in the forum post, "2.0 and up".
16:49 markveidemanis Hi
16:51 rubenwardy brb
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16:53 markveidemanis Hi
16:54 markveidemanis i need a HTML editor for linux
16:54 khonkhortisan You have your ip, then your cloak, then your ip again when you join
16:54 PilzAdam markveidemanis, vi,
16:54 PilzAdam *vim
16:55 khonkhortisan vim, kate, gedit, emacs, kwrite, and more!
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16:55 PilzAdam the problem with kate and kwrite is that you need an Xserver
16:55 PilzAdam so vim is the best solution here :-)
16:55 khonkhortisan I always have an Xserver, but not always kde
16:56 khonkhortisan Is there something other than X and text?
16:56 mauvebic i hear emacs is a pretty decent distribution that apparently supports text editing
16:56 khonkhortisan and it comes with games!
16:57 mauvebic is it just me, or does freetuxtv only have 2-3 worthwhile channels that work? lol
16:57 Jordach PilzAdam, probably xubuntu
16:58 * VanessaE wanders off again.
16:58 * Jordach pokes VanessaE before she can leave
16:58 markveidemanis i need a link for vim for linux
16:59 * rubenwardy is compiling https://github.com/Jeija/minetest/tree/shader_playground
16:59 khonkhortisan I just lost at "Gomoku"
17:00 khonkhortisan It refuses to quit if it's asking me to play another game. When I poke at it some more, it calls me chicken
17:01 markveidemanis Help...
17:01 markveidemanis i need one that i can sudo apt-get install
17:01 markveidemanis dont want to compile
17:01 khonkhortisan which linux?
17:01 markveidemanis lubuntu
17:01 markveidemanis so deb installer
17:03 Jordach khonkhortisan, who was that aimed at
17:03 john_minetest mauvebic: Yeah, emacs is a great OS but it hasn't got an easy-to-use text editor. If it had one it would be the perfect OS.
17:03 john_minetest ;)
17:03 khonkhortisan the which linux or the gomoku?
17:04 khonkhortisan gomoku is one of the emacs games
17:04 Jordach PilzAdam, i will be switching to xubuntu xx.xx since i dont know the numbers for next year :O
17:04 markveidemanis i need a HTML editor to make a webpage for my server
17:04 markveidemanis if that helps...
17:04 khonkhortisan I'd be suprised if vim wasn't already in the repos
17:05 markveidemanis Hmm...
17:05 Jordach ugh. vim.
17:05 Jordach i prefer code::blocks
17:05 mauvebic the new kde actually looks not bad
17:05 Jordach unlike gnome
17:05 Jordach :D
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17:05 mauvebic whats gnome?
17:05 mauvebic :p
17:06 mauvebic gnome is like the fischer price of DE's now lol
17:06 khonkhortisan gnome is at the same level as kde, lxde, E, fvwm, twm, etc.
17:06 john_minetest Gnome. Nice desktop manager until the 3.0s
17:06 Exio markveidemanis: sudo apt-get install vim
17:06 khonkhortisan I like gnome's green menu tint
17:06 Exio start it
17:06 markveidemanis si have vim
17:06 Exio ??
17:06 Exio profit!
17:06 markveidemanis i typed vim in the console
17:06 markveidemanis looks like shit
17:07 khonkhortisan press i?
17:07 Exio hahahahaha
17:07 Exio run vimtutor
17:07 mauvebic here's a head-scratcher, are there any binvox to text or binvox to MT converters out there?
17:07 nyuszika7h hai
17:08 markveidemanis I need a GUI
17:08 markveidemanis and similar to Dreamweaver
17:08 markveidemanis and im afk now
17:08 nyuszika7h markveidemanis: Dreamweaver? are you kidding me?
17:08 khonkhortisan http://www.osalt.com/dreamweaver
17:09 mauvebic i was able to convert a scale model of Kahn's ship but i cant do much with the binvox or MC schematic that came of it :p
17:09 nyuszika7h WYSIWYG editors might be easy but they suck
17:09 nyuszika7h btw, there is gvim
17:09 nyuszika7h it looks nice with Solarized Dark and DejaVu Sans Mono
17:10 nyuszika7h Jordach: Ubuntu's versions are always <year>.04 for LTS, <year>.10 for non-LTS
17:10 nyuszika7h 13.04, 13.10, 14.04, 14.10 and so on
17:10 marktraceur VanessaE: Thanks so much
17:10 VanessaE marktraceur: no prob.
17:11 khonkhortisan gvim will make vim much easier for me to use
17:11 VanessaE in effect, it's whatever version of GPL is compatible with MT source license, since UD borrows a couple of things from it.
17:11 nyuszika7h and if that's not enough
17:11 nyuszika7h gvim -y
17:11 nyuszika7h "easy" mode
17:11 nyuszika7h normal mode is hidden under Ctrl-L
17:12 khonkhortisan what's the difference?
17:12 khonkhortisan ick, no dd
17:12 nyuszika7h gvim -y = default to insert mode
17:12 nyuszika7h Ctrl-L to go to noormal mode
17:13 nyuszika7h * normal
17:13 khonkhortisan killing is faster
17:15 nyuszika7h khonkhortisan: Ctrl-L :q!
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17:21 thexyz wow, it's even harder to close than vim without "easy mode"
17:21 khonkhortisan :set spell is much less annoying in gvim than in vim
17:21 khonkhortisan <esc> :q!
17:22 nyuszika7h thexyz: if you're running it on the console, ges
17:22 nyuszika7h yes
17:23 nyuszika7h if you use gvim with X, just alt+f4 or press the X button
17:23 khonkhortisan or File -> Exit
17:23 khonkhortisan alt-f up up enter
17:25 YuGiOhJCJ hello, when I install the game from the source code, I use the "$ make install DESTDIR=/tmp/minetest" command, but the prefix is "/usr/local" instead of "/usr"... How to configure this please ?
17:27 berome hello YuGiOhJCJ :
17:27 Jordach rubenwardy, i created that repo as a means to teach people basic c++
17:27 rubenwardy ah
17:27 rubenwardy :D
17:27 Jordach my sixth form mates SUCK at c++
17:28 berome YuGiOhJCJ: try to find something in make --help ?
17:28 Jordach rubenwardy, also: goto <xyz>; is evil if you dont know what youre doing
17:28 nyuszika7h YuGiOhJCJ: first, do you have any reason to install to /usr? /usr is meant to contain things installed by package management
17:28 berome thanks ^
17:28 nyuszika7h /usr/local is the standard location for compiled things, afaik
17:28 rubenwardy ok
17:28 YuGiOhJCJ yes the reason is I create a package for my distro :)
17:28 nyuszika7h ah
17:29 nyuszika7h if you need to run configure, ./configure --prefix=/usr
17:29 YuGiOhJCJ in general, I use "./configure --prefix=/usr", but there is no configure script here...
17:29 nyuszika7h else you can try make prefix=/usr
17:29 nyuszika7h or PREFIX=/usr
17:30 YuGiOhJCJ I will try this thank you ;)
17:30 nyuszika7h YuGiOhJCJ: wait
17:30 nyuszika7h you should probably use cmake
17:31 nyuszika7h cmake . -DPREFIX=/usr -DDESTDIR=/tmp/minetest (not sure if -DDESTDIR works, check CMakeLists.txt)
17:31 thexyz Jordach: yes, never goto me
17:31 nyuszika7h then make, and checkinstall -- make install, or whatever you use for making packages
17:32 YuGiOhJCJ ah I find an other way : edit the "CMakeCache.txt" file and replace the line "CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/usr/local" by "CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/usr"
17:33 nyuszika7h -DPREFIX should work, but that works too, I guess
17:33 nyuszika7h just make sure to replace all /usr/local with /usr
17:34 nyuszika7h (except if you have some libs in /usr/local on your system)
17:35 Jordach thexyz, goto your_asshole;
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17:48 mauvebic pacman wants me to update pacman (http://data.whicdn.com/images/38600179/5fd68d2c8b25d7126df6f94833d893d5.600x400_large.nopad)
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17:56 mauvebic import numpy as np
17:56 mauvebic ImportError: No module named numpy
17:56 mauvebic <- numpy is installed :/
17:58 mauvebic ugh doing anything in python is such a PITA lol
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18:05 Jordach lol: python
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18:09 mauvebic seriously i waste twice as much time figuring out imports and modules and version resolution than actually writing code in python
18:13 mauvebic ugh, "cannot send to channel" (#python, #archlinux lol)
18:13 markveidemanis i need a wysiwyg HTML editor
18:13 khonkhortisan markveidemanis, http://www.osalt.com/dreamweaver
18:16 YuGiOhJCJ I see we can find apples to heal... Is there an other way to heal ?
18:17 khonkhortisan there's a food mod
18:17 khonkhortisan you can make bread or pie
18:17 khonkhortisan The way to have a 100% chance of having an apple tree is to keep planting it until it is
18:18 YuGiOhJCJ I mean... The life doesn't increase with the time ?
18:18 khonkhortisan nope
18:18 YuGiOhJCJ ok I have only 1 heart now ^^
18:18 khonkhortisan minetest is more about building than accurate health stats
18:18 khonkhortisan if you can quickly return to where you are, dying is a good way to restore health
18:18 YuGiOhJCJ hmmm I think I will die :)
18:23 khonkhortisan tree trunk is the easiest thing to build out of, and the easiest to destroy.
18:23 markveidemanis i need a WYSIWYG HTML editor...that works!
18:24 khonkhortisan which one?
18:24 khonkhortisan oh.
18:26 markveidemanis not a web browser like some of them are
18:26 markveidemanis I just need to make a simple webpage
18:27 khonkhortisan how simple?
18:27 markveidemanis so HTML,CSS, add links, text and pics thats all
18:27 markveidemanis Buttons: link,add_image,Font
18:27 markveidemanis if thats possible...
18:28 markveidemanis or just close to that, anything that works will do
18:28 khonkhortisan might need javascript to change the font
18:28 markveidemanis nop, CSS
18:28 markveidemanis This is my first webpage im not going to do javascript :D
18:28 YuGiOhJCJ is there a way to plant a tree in minetest ? (it's bad to destroy trees around my house)
18:29 khonkhortisan if you've not used a wysiwyg editor I'd recommend a text editor
18:29 Jordach YuGiOhJCJ, saplings from punching tree leaves
18:29 mauvebic heres' the fix : #!/usr/bin/env python2.7 lol
18:29 khonkhortisan dig the trunk only. Wait for saplings. Place sapling where the trunk was. Repeat.
18:29 khonkhortisan That's wood/sapling farming, no leaves taken.
18:30 markveidemanis i need wysiwyg
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18:30 markveidemanis what server are you on, YuGiOhJCJ
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18:31 YuGiOhJCJ it's a local server
18:32 markveidemanis Want to come on mine?
18:32 markveidemanis And survive together?
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18:33 john_minetest I am waiting for the wywiwyg (what you want is what you  get) Editor, that writes everything for you.
18:33 markveidemanis Me too
18:34 khonkhortisan there's a pseudocode language that actually works
18:34 john_minetest "I want to have a game better than COD." [processing...] And 2 hours later you have got a great game.
18:34 khonkhortisan I would hate that, no control whatsoever
18:34 marktraceur john_minetest: AmbiguityError: "better" has too many meanings
18:35 khonkhortisan the program has the liberty to decide
18:35 khonkhortisan You know minetest is slow when your mouse escapes
18:36 rubenwardy|away brb. Having dinner/tea/supper
18:36 john_minetest john@arch~$ wywiwyg --resource=popularity-stats --game=COD2 --better --out=game
18:36 marktraceur john_minetest: Result, nethack.
18:37 john_minetest I have got nethack installed.
18:37 khonkhortisan crawl is better than nethack in you have to bleed from your injuries to die
18:38 khonkhortisan My brother graduated from nethack and I told him that because he won, he doesn't have to play anymore
18:38 khonkhortisan so he's playing a different roguelike
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18:51 mauvebic AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'readline'
18:51 mauvebic :/
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18:54 khonkhortisan why does minetest_game not have a game.conf?
18:57 mauvebic oh thank god i can finally read and convert binvox files lol gone drinkin'
18:57 khonkhortisan ln -s /usr/share/minetest/games ~/.minetest/games; ln -s ~/src/minetest/games/minetest_game /usr/share/minetest/games/
19:00 khonkhortisan my installed minetest doesn't even have a create_detached_inventory
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19:03 * rubenwardy|away is back
19:03 Jordach khonkhortisan, you really need to start compiling yourself
19:04 khonkhortisan I need to have the compile stop breaking when I don't do it for a while
19:12 khonkhortisan I have a diode with off going in and on going out. What do I do when mesecons gets lazy?
19:21 khonkhortisan It makes one of the lights go back on after I press the reset button
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19:30 khonkhortisan After going through two revisions of irrlicht svn and wine and installed versions of minetest, and linking minetest_game around, it was as simple as updating irrlicht to 1.8.
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19:33 khonkhortisan But the bottom-left, where it draws the nodes it loads, is also being used for drawing the view! http://postimage.org/image/bvwfz0ky3/
19:34 khonkhortisan I have to resize the window to get the view to match it
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19:52 rubenwardy khonkhortisan: oh dear :P
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19:53 rubenwardy bye all
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20:17 markveidemanis Hi!"'~)-)7^5
20:17 khonkhortisan looks like your message was encoded differently
20:17 markveidemanis sfan5
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20:18 markveidemanis why can't i use minetest-tan to encode with Base64 anymore?
20:18 markveidemanis i know there was a command
20:18 markveidemanis !b64e <message>
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20:18 babyface1031 does anyone know what mod hardwood floors are in?
20:18 markveidemanis Building_blovks
20:18 markveidemanis blocks
20:19 babyface1031 ok ty cause onse they are placed we cant remove them
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20:19 KikaRz Hi!
20:19 markveidemanis HI!
20:19 markveidemanis Come on my serveer
20:19 khonkhortisan I dare y'all to play like this http://postimage.org/image/bvwfz0ky3/
20:19 KikaRz No.
20:19 KikaRz :D
20:20 KikaRz That's the best... i'm not going to your server!
20:20 markveidemanis Why??!!??!?!?!?!!&^%
20:20 KikaRz Guys, any news to minetest?
20:20 markveidemanis Theres a language update
20:20 khonkhortisan there's a noclip toggle button
20:20 KikaRz Because i'm not a girl with FREEDOM!
20:20 khonkhortisan and a server list
20:20 KikaRz I know markveidemanis
20:20 KikaRz i did one translate
20:20 KikaRz to the game
20:20 KikaRz khonkhortisan, i know -.-
20:20 KikaRz that are old news.
20:20 markveidemanis https://github.com/celeron55?tab=repositories
20:21 KikaRz there are any news since 3 Feb?
20:21 KikaRz thexyz
20:21 KikaRz are you therE?
20:21 markveidemanis thexyz
20:22 markveidemanis he has sabotages my server
20:22 KikaRz thexyz ?
20:22 markveidemanis http://servers.minetest.ru/
20:22 markveidemanis click on my link
20:22 markveidemanis some spanish bullshit
20:22 KikaRz markveidemanis, shut up.
20:22 markveidemanis No.
20:23 khonkhortisan are you in the client's server list?
20:23 KikaRz No.
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20:23 khonkhortisan marktwain?
20:23 markveidemanis Yop
20:24 khonkhortisan that's in the client's server list
20:24 markveidemanis Forum 395
20:24 KikaRz I need to talk with thexyz!|
20:24 KikaRz urgently!
20:24 Jordach KikaRz, could you pm me the problem?
20:24 KikaRz Not your problem
20:24 KikaRz Translating system
20:24 markveidemanis theres a difference between: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=395
20:24 Jordach alright.
20:24 markveidemanis and:
20:24 KikaRz i want to translate one language
20:24 markveidemanis http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3954
20:25 Jordach KikaRz, which one is it?
20:25 KikaRz Portuguese.
20:25 markveidemanis forgot the '4'
20:25 KikaRz I want to be the responsible
20:25 khonkhortisan lol
20:25 KikaRz per portuguese
20:25 Jordach KikaRz, may have already been commited
20:25 KikaRz yea.
20:25 KikaRz its already
20:25 KikaRz but its clear
20:25 KikaRz i want to translate it
20:25 Jordach https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/6424c5b69809ad4799c08e93dd8cbdb13547da1c
20:25 KikaRz i need to commit?
20:25 KikaRz how i do that? o_o'
20:25 PilzAdam KikaRz, http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/
20:26 Jordach nono, the portuguese is already done
20:26 KikaRz already done what?
20:26 PilzAdam ^ go there, sign up and translate
20:26 Jordach KikaRz, more importantly: http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/pt/
20:26 KikaRz i'm going to translate whole thing
20:26 markveidemanis http://www.quackit.com/html/templates/simple_website_templates.cfm <==cool site
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20:26 markveidemanis Like this?: http://www.quackit.com/html/templates/download/bryantsmith/afarewelltocolor/
20:29 KikaRz There is currently no active translator for this translation, please consider becoming a translator as your suggestion might otherwise remain unreviewed.
20:29 KikaRz '-'
20:29 KikaRz Ok! I'll be the translator myself.
20:31 KikaRz Wow... translating ! so cool!
20:32 sfan5 markveidemanis: what?
20:33 KikaRz sfan5, why this appears? Some checks have failed on your translation!
20:33 KikaRz Warning: I'm not using google translator.
20:34 Jordach VanessaE, heres the female: http://i.imgur.com/qRAlmeR.png
20:34 PilzAdam KikaRz, the warnings were about trailing spaces, I fixed them
20:35 KikaRz yea
20:35 KikaRz its that
20:35 Jordach also: update mine please: http://i.imgur.com/mlV0q5E.png
20:35 VanessaE Jordach: it...needs work.
20:35 Jordach VanessaE, feel free to fix it
20:35 VanessaE busy fixing mapgen griefing at the moment.
20:36 Jordach ugh. it takes five seconds
20:36 khonkhortisan nice, github has a delete branch button after a pull request merge
20:37 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, too lazzy to type "git push origin :branch"?
20:37 khonkhortisan no, I was reading the page and saw this big button
20:37 VanessaE Jordach: updated.
20:37 khonkhortisan git push origin :branch;git -D branch
20:37 VanessaE it'll take effect at the next restart.
20:38 KikaRz Really? -.-
20:38 KikaRz Chat = Chat...
20:38 KikaRz duh.
20:38 KikaRz what a stupid thing
20:39 VanessaE Jordach: expect lag.  Worldedit running.
20:39 KikaRz i can't leave Chat.
20:39 KikaRz -.-
20:39 KikaRz so... i'll put what?
20:39 KikaRz if I put Bate-Papo = Brazilian
20:39 Jordach VanessaE, oh shit
20:40 Jordach a liquid update happened and lava went everywhere
20:40 VanessaE celeron55, hmmmm:  there needs to be something added to the engine right away to gracefully handle map loading errors - invalid data should not cause the engine to abort - there needs to be a way to force it to load *and fix the errors* (just telling the engine to ignore load errors via the command line switch is a recipe for disaster.
20:40 hmmmm well what sort of map loading errors are you having..
20:40 hmmmm if you're having a loading error, then that's an error and chances are that a lot more things went wrong than that.
20:41 VanessaE hmmmm: I'll get the real error msg later, but it was something about invalid data
20:41 KikaRz what Print Stacks does?
20:41 hmmmm i would have to say that the way the engine handles it is perfectly fine.
20:41 hmmmm what needs to be fixed, however, is the invalid data error.
20:41 KikaRz VanessaE
20:41 KikaRz what Print Stacks does?
20:41 KikaRz '-'
20:41 PilzAdam KikaRz, stack is a technical term
20:41 VanessaE KikaRz: I don't know.
20:41 KikaRz '-'
20:41 PilzAdam just translate "print"
20:41 KikaRz so, why it's there?
20:41 KikaRz Print = Imprimir
20:42 KikaRz stacks = montes.
20:42 KikaRz pilha*
20:42 Jordach VanessaE, ignore_world_load_errors = false
20:42 PilzAdam KikaRz, just do "Imprimir stack"
20:42 KikaRz lol
20:42 VanessaE Jordach: that defaults to false already.
20:42 KikaRz ok
20:42 VanessaE I had to set it to true earlier to get around one such error
20:43 Jordach set it to true and it will ignore errors
20:43 VanessaE I know that.
20:43 VanessaE I already have it set to true because I had one such load error.
20:43 VanessaE I'm about to try to reproduce the error now, without that setting in place.
20:43 PilzAdam KikaRz, 26% done, keep going
20:44 KikaRz lol
20:44 KikaRz ok
20:44 KikaRz 53/173
20:44 VanessaE ok, server's back up, with that option disabled.  If it errors out, I'll paste it here.
20:44 VanessaE (it was only one line if I recall)
20:44 KikaRz Address got a lot of translatings...
20:44 KikaRz should i put Endereço or IP?
20:45 PilzAdam not IP
20:45 KikaRz i guess i'm going to put Endereço
20:46 khonkhortisan interneto protocolo
20:46 KikaRz ?
20:46 KikaRz o_o'
20:46 khonkhortisan español for those who don't know it
20:47 VanessaE IP in spanish?  whatever "Address" translates to then.
20:47 VanessaE sounds right to me anyway
20:47 * Jordach wonders where VanessaE's server us
20:47 Jordach is*
20:47 KikaRz lets see...
20:47 VanessaE Jordach: worldedit, //fixlight.
20:47 VanessaE and it's in the US fwiw.
20:47 KikaRz Mip-Mapping
20:47 KikaRz what i put here?
20:47 * Jordach rolls eyes
20:47 VanessaE in fact, it's about 1 meter to my right, on this table.
20:47 PilzAdam KikaRz, Mip-Mapping
20:47 KikaRz there isnt a specific translation
20:47 KikaRz To reach 100%... ill put Mip Mapping
20:47 KikaRz e_e'
20:47 khonkhortisan but a meter isn't in the virtual dimension
20:48 PilzAdam KikaRz, and remove the warning after that
20:48 PilzAdam also: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mipmap
20:48 khonkhortisan I have a last known address for her server
20:48 VanessaE khonkhortisan: vanessae.mine.bz:30000
20:48 KikaRz This is not Spanish
20:48 KikaRz this is portuguese.
20:48 khonkhortisan which I should update
20:48 VanessaE that's the permanent address for it.
20:48 khonkhortisan I still have the ip one
20:48 VanessaE it's in the regular server list I believe.
20:49 PilzAdam KikaRz, but as you can see its Mip-Mapping in every language
20:49 khonkhortisan just like Paris is still Paris
20:49 KikaRz but that will make influence in the 100% translating?
20:49 KikaRz :c
20:50 KikaRz i want 100% translated.
20:50 KikaRz e_e'
20:51 Jordach VanessaE, oh and access violation
20:51 PilzAdam KikaRz, if you remove the warning "Untranslated String" you will reach 100%
20:51 VanessaE Jordach: can't do much about that - that's client-side.
20:52 KikaRz ok
20:52 KikaRz Oh
20:52 KikaRz thanks
20:53 KikaRz the Portuguese got BIIIIG strings...
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20:54 PilzAdam KikaRz, be sure to make them not too long, so they are shown correctly in the GUI
20:54 KikaRz :s
20:54 KikaRz i'll revise next
20:55 john_minetest Let's invent a language that uses a 20-char string for every letter and blame every game that doesn't support it.
20:55 KikaRz ?
20:55 KikaRz pirate language?
20:55 KikaRz '-'
20:56 marktraceur john_minetest: ASCII?
20:56 john_minetest Minecraft does have this already. Maybe english but every letter is written 5 times. And we call this language EEEEENNNNNGGGGGLLLLLIIIIISSSSSHHHHH.
20:56 john_minetest *Minecraft has got pirate language
20:57 john_minetest HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO.
20:57 john_minetest xD
20:57 john_minetest or: xxxxxDDDDD
20:57 KikaRz lol?
20:57 KikaRz prn language? e_E'
20:58 PilzAdam nnnnnooooo iiiiitttttsssss lllllooooolllll
20:58 KikaRz Now...
20:58 KikaRz lets seeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:58 KikaRz XXXXXX BUTTON 111111
20:58 KikaRz whats this?
20:58 jin_xi PilzAdam: only 5 t's
20:58 KikaRz huh?
20:58 * jin_xi fails at counting
20:59 PilzAdam KikaRz, if any of the key names isnt translateable then just leave it english
20:59 KikaRz well...
20:59 KikaRz why did you created
20:59 KikaRz those...
20:59 marktraceur Binary ASCII. 8 characters per one english character.
20:59 KikaRz stupid african... amazonical keys?
21:00 PilzAdam there are really exotic keyboards out there :-)
21:00 KikaRz or that
21:00 KikaRz so...
21:00 khonkhortisan שדגלחהפעםןגי'מש
21:00 KikaRz why do they need that?
21:00 KikaRz -.-
21:00 KikaRz stupid keys.
21:00 khonkhortisan садлкхбпенчс
21:00 KikaRz khonkhortisan, press key Kana.
21:00 PilzAdam marktraceur, you mean latin character?
21:01 khonkhortisan ⣀⠡⠔⠉⠊⠑⣉
21:01 KikaRz and press Capital.
21:01 khonkhortisan what's Kana?
21:01 john_minetest 13375P33k translation for minetest... Hmmm...
21:01 KikaRz what's Kana?
21:02 PilzAdam gtg now; bye
21:02 john_minetest 574|27     |\/| | |\|37357
21:03 KikaRz Omg.
21:03 KikaRz can't i just change
21:03 KikaRz Junja to Janju?
21:03 KikaRz or to Jinja?
21:03 KikaRz e_e'
21:03 khonkhortisan my japanese layout doesn't work
21:03 KikaRz funny
21:04 KikaRz what's Mode Change for?
21:04 KikaRz o.o
21:04 khonkhortisan ツ is not to be confused with シ
21:05 KikaRz ã‚·
21:05 KikaRz and what is ã‚· and ツ  ?
21:05 khonkhortisan Tsu (kana) and Shi (kana)
21:05 KikaRz ...
21:05 KikaRz stupid
21:05 khonkhortisan I said that backwards, it's Shi and Tsu
21:06 Kray あえいおう
21:07 KikaRz fuck...
21:07 KikaRz now i'll need to translate
21:07 KikaRz Numpad 1
21:07 KikaRz Numpad 2...
21:07 KikaRz well... just typing the same
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21:09 KikaRz Attn = ?
21:10 KikaRz CrSel?
21:10 KikaRz Erase OEF?
21:10 KikaRz omg...
21:10 KikaRz what stupid strange keys.
21:12 KikaRz DONE!
21:14 jin_xi RealBadAngel: you here?
21:15 KikaRz Ok!
21:15 KikaRz Translated 100% Spanish and Portuguese!
21:15 KikaRz I translated whole Portuguese
21:15 KikaRz and finished 2 strings from Spanish
21:16 KikaRz if you see here...
21:16 KikaRz http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/
21:16 KikaRz i was the most active e_e'
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21:22 KikaRz VanessaE
21:22 KikaRz you know any good linux recorder?
21:23 VanessaE gtk-recordmydesktop
21:23 VanessaE that's the one I used before
21:23 VanessaE it works okay
21:23 VanessaE good enough for a youtube video anyway
21:23 KikaRz did you saw the Portuguese and Spanish brand new translations?
21:23 KikaRz well... just the portuguese.
21:23 KikaRz the spanish i just added 2 sentences
21:24 KikaRz I can't saw my house
21:24 KikaRz :/
21:24 KikaRz http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/VanessaE_World_Map.png
21:25 telek Nice world Vanessa!
21:25 VanessaE KikaRz:
21:25 KikaRz son, didn't you already saw it?
21:25 KikaRz ingame?
21:25 KikaRz what, VanessaE?
21:25 telek Overhead view gives you more perspective on it.
21:26 VanessaE it's at -451,__,-461
21:26 mauvebic check this out http://www.zimg.eu/i/2785064669
21:26 telek The spawn point is the three buildings on the right, correct?
21:26 VanessaE the entrance thereto is at -453,11,428
21:26 telek mauvebic: In minetest?!?!
21:26 KikaRz oh
21:26 KikaRz gotcha
21:26 VanessaE at the south end of the map
21:27 KikaRz there are a lot of flowers
21:27 KikaRz and trees
21:27 KikaRz and etc.
21:27 mauvebic yep
21:27 KikaRz i have so mini space
21:27 KikaRz :c
21:27 KikaRz i'm going to expand NOWW!
21:27 KikaRz :D
21:27 VanessaE actually,
21:27 mauvebic i wrote something to convert binvox to blueprints, so you could take any blender mesh and reproduce in nodes
21:27 VanessaE I copied your entire property over, and then did some landscaping to merge it back into the new map.
21:28 KikaRz :s
21:28 KikaRz oh
21:28 KikaRz ok.
21:28 telek Oh ok.
21:28 KikaRz can i expand it?
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21:28 telek Was about to ask, if it was a new map.
21:28 Muadtralk greetings!
21:28 telek VanessaE: How'd you copy properties over?
21:28 KikaRz she saves
21:28 KikaRz on world edit
21:28 KikaRz and then... places on the other world
21:28 VanessaE worldedit.
21:28 KikaRz just loading
21:28 telek Oh manually.
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21:29 telek I was hoping there was some way to just snarf player modified bits and maybe offset them by now :D
21:29 KikaRz VanessaE
21:29 VanessaE save from the old world, load into the new world way up high in the air, then move it into place where it needs to be
21:29 KikaRz i'm going to join now
21:29 VanessaE KikaRz: ok
21:29 * telek nods.
21:30 KikaRz come son
21:30 KikaRz :)
21:30 KikaRz 21:30 portugal
21:30 KikaRz i gtg at 22:00
21:30 khonkhortisan Whichever direction I build my mesecons machine, it will be forever facing that direction if ever loaded into a mesecon collection map.
21:30 telek Ok, gimme a sec.
21:31 KikaRz vanessaE
21:31 VanessaE hm?
21:31 KikaRz those trees that werent growing up
21:31 KikaRz how i make them grow up'
21:31 KikaRz ?
21:31 KikaRz cocoa
21:31 KikaRz i think
21:31 VanessaE KikaRz: expect lag.  worldedit.
21:31 VanessaE (//fixlight)
21:33 khonkhortisan /dig is like //set air //fixlight
21:33 VanessaE //dig doesn't exist anymore
21:33 khonkhortisan uh-oh
21:33 VanessaE /fixlight digs all the air nodes in the selected area
21:33 VanessaE but doesn't dig non-air
21:34 mauvebic i thought it reset the light value
21:34 VanessaE it does so by digging the air nodes
21:34 VanessaE which forces a node update for each one
21:34 VanessaE which fixes the light
21:34 mauvebic i think it replaces *all* the nodes and adds this special line before doing it:     no.param1 = 13
21:35 khonkhortisan Sounds like a Rube Goldberg command.
21:35 mauvebic since paramtype1 = light
21:36 mauvebic which takes about as much time as copy/paste
21:36 mauvebic since its relatively the same thing
21:41 KikaRz lag
21:43 KikaRz VanessaE, i'm lagging al ot on your server.
21:45 KikaRz DISCOVERED THE PROBLEM
21:45 KikaRz MY IRC WAS ALWAYS TRYING TO CONNECT TO AN UNKNOWN NETWORK
21:45 KikaRz *XChat
21:45 mauvebic kill it now
21:45 mauvebic and dispose of the witnesses
21:45 KikaRz already
21:46 mauvebic now i need to come up with a real scale binvox of the ship - wish me luck lol
21:47 VanessaE heh
21:48 telek Hey is 'too long of text messages causing a segfault' an issue for anybody else, or is it just me?
21:51 VanessaE sometimes chat will segfault yeah
21:51 VanessaE I don't know if it's the length of the message that does it though
21:52 * Exio joins in VanessaE's and spams a big line of crap
21:52 KikaRz im lagging
21:52 VanessaE :P
21:53 khonkhortisan I like the particles now, I can't click them.
21:53 KikaRz silicon isn't for boobs?
21:54 KikaRz omg
21:54 KikaRz its impossible to play
21:55 KikaRz fuck this lag!
21:55 KikaRz RTT = 0.252
21:56 khonkhortisan silicon is what you caulk your bathroom with, and when injected into the butt, causes clotting and loss of limbs.
21:56 KikaRz omg
21:56 KikaRz i do /me lagtest
21:57 KikaRz and takes 6 minutes
21:57 telek Arg
21:57 KikaRz too much lag for me
21:57 telek It keeps doing it for me if the message is more than two dozen words long or so.
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22:00 KikaRz 21:59:58: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "std::bad_alloc"
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22:09 KikaRz VanessaE
22:09 VanessaE hm?
22:09 KikaRz Hi! :D
22:09 KikaRz i'm sorry for not being at your server today...
22:10 KikaRz ill try to be tomorrow
22:10 KikaRz today its too laggy
22:10 VanessaE it's okay
22:10 VanessaE interestingly,
22:11 VanessaE it's running fine now without that load error happening
22:11 KikaRz your pipeworks mod its cool
22:11 VanessaE (and that ignore errors flag is not set)
22:11 VanessaE tthanks
22:11 KikaRz i just dont know how to work with it
22:12 KikaRz when will celeron55 get Dropped items in lava = set on fire = kill drop item entities
22:12 KikaRz ?
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22:12 khonkhortisan the dropped entities should be drawn on fire, so if it falls through lava you can catch it
22:13 mauvebic you need to add get entities within radius to one of the (many) fire abms
22:13 khonkhortisan item over lava over water over you
22:13 mauvebic oups lava
22:13 mauvebic another abm lol
22:14 KikaRz VanessaE
22:14 VanessaE hm?
22:14 KikaRz it's this poop smelt? e_e'
22:14 KikaRz http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/homedecor-crafting-guide/terracotta-base.png
22:14 KikaRz xd
22:14 VanessaE um, no
22:14 VanessaE since when was poop orange?
22:14 KikaRz sry, wrong image
22:14 KikaRz http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/homedecor-crafting-guide/terracotta-tile.png
22:14 KikaRz it's that orange?
22:14 KikaRz i think thats brown
22:14 VanessaE it is reddish-orange on my screen.
22:14 KikaRz daltonic
22:14 KikaRz i'm daltonic
22:14 khonkhortisan it has a line of brown on in
22:14 KikaRz i think
22:14 khonkhortisan *on it
22:16 mauvebic dang, the scale version is twice as big lol
22:19 VanessaE mauvebic: eh?
22:19 mauvebic the scale version of the ship is nearly 800 nodes long lol
22:20 VanessaE what ship?
22:20 mauvebic kahn's ship, miranda class
22:20 VanessaE ohh
22:20 KikaRz where is boats mod by PilzAdam?
22:20 KikaRz i want it
22:20 KikaRz :c
22:20 mauvebic binvox guy even put it up: https://plus.google.com/photos/112791664800738604413/albums/5560554751212449137/5842326904194427938?banner=pwa
22:20 VanessaE KikaRz:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4016
22:21 KikaRz thxs
22:22 mauvebic though what ive been wanting to do for 3 days is the kelvin from the last movie
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22:23 mauvebic might need lens flares tho lol
22:23 KikaRz I installed a BIIIIIIIIIIG bunch of mods...
22:23 KikaRz i hope this works
22:23 KikaRz and non laggy
22:23 KikaRz :P
22:23 KikaRz its a lot!
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22:24 KikaRz More ores, More blocks, +stairs +doors...
22:24 KikaRz boats... carts... ufos...
22:24 Uberi KikaRz: mesecons? :P
22:24 khonkhortisan How do I reset a mesecons circuit?
22:24 KikaRz mesecons... technic...
22:24 Uberi khonkhortisan: reset? what do you mean?
22:24 KikaRz farming, farming_plus... diamonds...
22:24 khonkhortisan A diode with in off, out on, for example.
22:24 KikaRz home decor, world edit, mapplus
22:25 khonkhortisan Sometimes the circuit doesn't work right
22:25 khonkhortisan How do I update the whole thing?
22:25 KikaRz pipeworks unified inventory...ETC
22:25 KikaRz bye...
22:25 Uberi khonkhortisan: what? do you have one of those?
22:25 KikaRz see you tomorrow
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22:25 khonkhortisan yeah
22:25 Uberi khonkhortisan: how'd you get it? is it reproducible?
22:25 khonkhortisan Build a very large mesecons machine and keep pushing buttons. Eventually you'll have it happen.
22:25 Uberi khonkhortisan: if you want I can write up a lua filter to dig and replace all mesecons blocks, but it could be pretty slow
22:26 Uberi also it might not work, I dunno
22:26 KikaRz total: 29 pages.
22:26 Uberi KikaRz: of nodes in creative? that's a lot
22:26 khonkhortisan I don't want it replaced, just updated, as if a signal hit it.
22:26 KikaRz yea Uberi
22:26 KikaRz well
22:26 Uberi khonkhortisan: well, time to push more buttons then!
22:27 KikaRz 55 pages in normal creative
22:27 KikaRz strange
22:27 khonkhortisan Right now I have an sbi(A,C&!D)sbi(B,D) where D and B are both on, C is off, and A is on when it shouldn't be.
22:27 VanessaE 30 pages of nodes in Unified Inventory on my server :-)
22:28 VanessaE I think there's 80 per page
22:28 VanessaE 70 or 80, I forgeto
22:28 Uberi khonkhortisan: I hear luacontrollers are much less buggy
22:28 Uberi khonkhortisan: but in any case, it is a bug, I ran into it as well
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22:30 khonkhortisan there, now instead of the µC, it's the diode that's on.
22:31 Uberi what does the ? mean?
22:31 khonkhortisan where?
22:31 Uberi "instead of the ?C"
22:31 khonkhortisan haha
22:31 khonkhortisan you have irc issues
22:31 khonkhortisan that's a mu symbol
22:31 khonkhortisan get a better client :)
22:31 Uberi ah
22:31 Uberi nah all my logs are in pidgin format
22:31 mauvebic still not quite to scale: http://www.zimg.eu/i/4234676247
22:31 Uberi and I am too lazy to write a script that converts them
22:32 khonkhortisan And the cow goes, "µ!"
22:32 Uberi heheheh
22:32 Uberi mauvebic: that is a nice build!
22:32 Uberi lighting glitches to the left top though
22:32 mauvebic ligthing glitches not my department lol
22:33 mauvebic and i dind't really *build* it
22:33 Uberi mauvebic: solution is to add blocks above it and then dig them
22:33 mauvebic i exported a blender mesh to obj, converted to binvox, converted to blueprint lol
22:33 Uberi interesting
22:34 mauvebic which is like mesh -> binary -> text lol
22:34 mauvebic pita lol
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22:35 khonkhortisan huh. Vertical wire connected directly to vertical wire.
22:35 khonkhortisan *to lit vertical wire
22:35 Uberi khonkhortisan: hmm?
22:35 khonkhortisan maybe my abm size is too small
22:36 VanessaE how do I examine what a variable has been set to on the server?
22:36 Menche /set
22:36 VanessaE ah ok
22:36 VanessaE didn't realize it was also a readback command.
22:36 Menche you mean settings?
22:37 VanessaE ok, that confirms that ignore load errors is set to false (and the server has been restarted twice already, for unrelated reasons)
22:37 Uberi VanessaE: a lua global?
22:37 VanessaE Uberi: no, menche got it.  I just wanted to check a server setting
22:37 Uberi ah
22:37 VanessaE make sure it actually "took".
22:37 Uberi I was about to suggest //lua print(varname)
22:37 VanessaE now, can someone explain to me why part of the grass near my spawn keeps turning into dirt?
22:38 Uberi light level?
22:38 mauvebic bad light value
22:38 VanessaE hrm
22:38 Uberi try //fixlight over it
22:38 mauvebic trying running fixlight on the grass itself and right above
22:38 VanessaE it's brightly lit, no shadows, but okay
22:38 Menche i notice grass randomly turning into dirt pretty often
22:38 Menche no idea why
22:38 Uberi oh wait wait
22:39 Uberi I remember now
22:39 VanessaE ok, light fixed.  also it turns to dirt when I'm away from the area
22:39 VanessaE then slowly turns back to grass if someone hangs around long enough
22:39 Uberi grass turns to dirt due to the node above it being ignore
22:39 VanessaE oh ffs.
22:39 Uberi pilzadam fixed that in git I think
22:39 VanessaE which commit?
22:39 Uberi lemme check
22:40 xming VanessaE: your textures look lovely here
22:40 VanessaE xming: thanks :-)
22:40 Uberi nope not merged yet: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/455
22:40 Uberi ^ VanessaE
22:41 Uberi somebody bump the issue
22:41 VanessaE why has this not been fixed yet?
22:41 Menche ah, that's what keeps happening
22:41 VanessaE I also noticed that the same areas that keep turning into dirt render as white blank spaces in minetestmapper.py
22:41 Menche makes sense
22:41 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/VanessaE_World_Map.png
22:42 VanessaE look at the spawn.  see the square-ish white around it?
22:42 Uberi that is pretty wierd
22:42 khonkhortisan Uberi:
22:42 khonkhortisan http://postimage.org/image/uons2sjwp/
22:42 khonkhortisan http://postimage.org/image/44v70njd5/
22:42 khonkhortisan http://postimage.org/image/sdg9ltn9n/
22:42 VanessaE those white areas are *exactly* the areas that keep turning back and forth between grass and dirt.
22:43 Uberi that is one crazy circuit khonkhortisan
22:43 khonkhortisan yep. Connect Four.
22:43 Uberi but do note that vertical wires are experimental
22:43 Uberi khonkhortisan: did you already minimise the expressions?
22:43 Uberi I'm sure it could be made smaller
22:44 khonkhortisan Those three pictures are vertical wires, µCs, and diodes misbehaving.
22:44 khonkhortisan The calculation for where the pieces drop is good, but I have 139 checks for winning.
22:44 Uberi :O
22:44 khonkhortisan well, 138. Still have to check for full board.
22:45 Uberi good thing it'll be a lot easier with digilines
22:45 khonkhortisan what are those?
22:45 Uberi well, they're basically buses with channels
22:46 Uberi so like many addressing lines and a signal line + clock line
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22:46 Uberi when you send data on a digiline, the luacontroller on the end gets an interrupt
22:47 Uberi (luacontrollers also have infinite memory btw)
22:47 khonkhortisan With so much memory, four ports might not be enough
22:48 khonkhortisan nvm
22:48 Uberi khonkhortisan: digilines have basically infinite ports
22:48 Uberi we can now make a computer with one block
22:48 khonkhortisan my m looks like an nr stuck together
22:48 khonkhortisan nvm <- but only sometimes
22:49 khonkhortisan nvm
22:49 khonkhortisan there, the third character if it's the end of the line m
22:49 khonkhortisan nope, just m ending.
22:49 khonkhortisan one node for computer + one node per in/output
22:50 Uberi yep
22:50 Uberi a monitor would be x by y by 3
22:50 khonkhortisan Is there a mesecon-to-digiline node, complete with channel control?
22:50 Uberi "new widescreen flat monitors!"
22:50 john_minetest gtg, bye.
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22:50 Uberi khonkhortisan: that would be the luacontroller
22:50 khonkhortisan Is everything a digiline, default channel 1?
22:51 Uberi khonkhortisan: nope, a digiline is a special type of wire
22:51 Uberi you craft it differently too
22:54 khonkhortisan NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.
22:54 khonkhortisan Uhh, what does that mean for me?
22:55 Uberi khonkhortisan: flash is not going to be updated anymore
22:55 Uberi for linux, at least
22:55 khonkhortisan should I stop using it?
22:55 Uberi you will get updates only for critical security fixes
22:55 Menche except for the pepper api, used by chrom/ium
22:55 Uberi khonkhortisan: if you really need it, by all means continue using it
22:55 Uberi if you don't, and like me, just used to use it to watch some Youtube, removing it is a good idea
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22:56 Uberi youtube works fine in HTML5 mode now, as well as Vimeo and a few others
22:56 Menche not all videos work with html5
22:56 Uberi yeah, there's still minitube for that
22:56 khonkhortisan I feel betrayed
22:57 Uberi by whom?
22:57 Menche but i think chrom[e/ium] will still get flash upgrades
22:57 VanessaE betrayed?
22:57 Uberi nah, chromium doesn't have the flash thing
22:57 khonkhortisan By adobe which makes flash, which people make stuff with, which I use
22:57 Uberi it's chrome only
22:57 Menche you can copy the library to use it in chromium
22:58 VanessaE khonkhortisan: no worries.  gnash.
22:58 Menche gnash doesn't work well with youtube
22:58 Uberi minitube! come on, it's great
22:59 OldCoder Minitube is wonderful
23:00 OldCoder Phase out Flash
23:01 OldCoder
23:01 khonkhortisan Sure, I'll phase them out. They drop me, I drop them.
23:01 NakedFury hey guys how is it going?
23:01 OldCoder Folks, my new VPS host would like feedback. Could somebody try out my worlds again?
23:01 OldCoder NakedFury, How about you?
23:01 NakedFury what is the ip?
23:01 NakedFury and I need a new client I think
23:01 OldCoder Same as before... Not same IP but same domain and port
23:02 OldCoder And 3.4.4 clients should work fine
23:02 OldCoder minetest.org port 30000, 30001, etc.
23:02 OldCoder Europe should come back this month if time permits
23:03 NakedFury loading
23:03 khonkhortisan How do I change youtube to html5 if flash crashed?
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23:03 Kacey hi all
23:04 khonkhortisan never mind
23:04 Uberi hi Kacey
23:05 Kacey how do i change my password on IRC?
23:05 Uberi try NickServ
23:05 khonkhortisan Of course _you'd_ be the one to ask that
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23:07 Kacey nvm got it
23:07 NakedFury loading media slow. all the mods I have must be outdated so its downloading them
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23:12 Traxie21 Help needed... again :L
23:13 CreepingCrawled these oozes are so dumb
23:13 CreepingCrawled they ran right through a conjure flame and then stayed in it
23:13 Kacey Traxie21, what do you need?
23:13 VanessaE ooze?
23:14 CreepingCrawled wrong channel
23:14 Traxie21 I need to minetest.set_player_privs([var].. "=".. [var2])
23:14 Traxie21 But that is giving me a VERY DESCRIPTIVE ERROR: Error: singleplayer
23:14 Kacey idk how to do that
23:14 Traxie21 me neither XD
23:15 khonkhortisan Something like minetest.set_player_privs("priv1=" .. minetest.get_player_priv("priv2")) ?
23:15 Traxie21 I don't understand minetest.set_player_privs(name, ...) very well
23:15 Traxie21 Yea
23:15 Kacey Menche, PING
23:15 Uberi Traxie21: can you paste here the entry from lua_api.txt?
23:15 Menche Kacey: what?
23:16 Kacey i cannot connect to your serer
23:16 Traxie21 minetest.set_player_privs(name, {priv1=true,...})
23:16 Traxie21 Thats lua API
23:16 xming VanessaE: I can't reconnect :(
23:16 Menche Kacey: yeah i think its down. I can't check until I get home.
23:16 VanessaE try again?
23:16 Kacey aah ok
23:16 VanessaE but let it sit for a while
23:17 Uberi Traxie21: minetest.set_player_privs({[var1]=var2})
23:17 Kacey !up menche.servegame.com
23:17 Minetest-tan menche.servegame.com:30000 seems to be down
23:17 Uberi it's not terribly difficult
23:17 Menche Kacey: in about half an hour i'll be home and i'll put it up
23:17 xming I am going to setup a server in EU 27/4
23:17 Kacey alright
23:17 xming just looking for ideas
23:17 Kacey 27/4?
23:18 Uberi yeah, 27 hours a day
23:18 Traxie21 Thanks Uberi, I only missed that square brackets
23:18 Menche 27 hours a day, 4 days a week
23:18 Uberi no problem :)
23:18 xming idd :D
23:18 VanessaE I gues time runs a little slower in EU ;-0
23:18 VanessaE ;_0
23:18 VanessaE ;-)
23:18 xming faster, only 4 days /w :p
23:18 VanessaE oh right
23:18 VanessaE duh
23:18 Uberi so do you still have those 2 day weekends?
23:18 Uberi because that sounds nice
23:18 xming VanessaE: okay, now fences are okay and woods are normal, not purple any more
23:19 xming it was all purple
23:19 VanessaE oh good
23:19 VanessaE yeah the texture atlas is b0rk3d
23:19 xming that's why I said it hurt my eyes
23:19 telek Plus isn't the atrlas basically just a mipmap
23:19 telek OR UV map or something
23:19 Kacey afk
23:19 VanessaE not exactly
23:19 Uberi no, a mipmap is something completely different
23:19 VanessaE just a flat image map
23:20 Uberi a tex atlas is a large texture with many subtextures, used to avoid texture switching
23:20 Uberi a mipmap is a set of images that are prescaled to give better image quality
23:20 telek Anyhow isn't the easy way to solve it just to add a new texture any time the current atlas is full and start directing to it for any referencing nodes?
23:21 Uberi not quite telek
23:21 telek Can't do it like that, or can't do it like that on legacy hardware?
23:21 Uberi that removes the main advantage of the tex atlas
23:21 Uberi namely, not switching textures
23:21 xming VanessaE: what's the RAM usage of your server?
23:22 VanessaE 4514 vanessa   20   0  346m 160m 4052 S   21  4.1   8:19.21 minetestserver
23:22 telek Wouldn't it still cut down the number of switches needed?
23:22 VanessaE 346m virtual, 160m resident.
23:22 telek What spec server Vanessa?
23:22 VanessaE but it varies.
23:22 xming 160m and only 346m VSS, nice
23:23 VanessaE AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (4GB RAM) with an OCZ Vertex2 60GB SSD.  AMD HD6870 video card.
23:23 xming how do you run so fast?
23:23 telek Honestly how many people would you need for minetestserver to take up a significant portion of ram/cpu?
23:23 Uberi telek: it might, but a better solution is to just use a bigger atlas, no?
23:23 telek Even with animals and company installed I didn't have too many issues except when the plant growing routines hit.
23:23 xming I am going to host on a VPS 4vCPUs and 1GB RAM
23:23 Kacey Uberi, 1 for me :P
23:23 telek Uberi: Not if the card is limited to 4096x4096 or whatever textures, no?
23:24 telek Then you'd have to use multiple textures for the atlas.
23:24 telek Nevermind say Voodoo3 era hardware with only 128x128 or 256x256 textures.
23:25 Uberi eh, 4096 is plenty big enough
23:25 telek What's the current atlas size?
23:26 Uberi depends on your mods
23:27 telek Well my mods lead to 'texture atlas full, disabling'
23:27 telek So I assume anyone using 256x256 modpacks has significantly more issues than me :D
23:27 Uberi it's disabled, then
23:28 telek Does any currently running server with a non-trivial modpack setup NOT cause the atlas to fail?
23:29 Traxie21 Where does one download a windows binary for minetest_server?
23:29 Uberi Traxie21: it's the same as the minetest client
23:30 Uberi it's exactly the same binary
23:30 Traxie21 Soo
23:30 Traxie21 How does one start it as only the server?
23:30 Uberi except the server is run with --server
23:30 Traxie21 kk
23:31 Kacey on windows it is different i think
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23:53 khonkhortisan mesecon button got stuck in
23:55 Kacey haha
23:56 khonkhortisan it's funny for a small machine, but for a large one I don't have a master reset button yet
23:56 khonkhortisan I might have to connect the gates that frequently bug out to a signal that does nothing but update it
23:56 Kacey can i see your machine?
23:57 khonkhortisan it's not completely functional, but yes.
23:57 Kacey maybe i could help (since i figured out luacontrollers
23:57 Kacey )*
23:58 khonkhortisan The logic is fine, it's mesecons that's giving me problems.
23:58 Kacey ok

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