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00:02 jojoa1997 is anyone here
00:02 TheZenKitteh im here but don't know the answer to that
00:02 jojoa1997 ok also does anyone know a server with firearms installed
00:03 TheZenKitteh I doubt you will find one that will install it unless they also have mobs
00:03 marktraceur jojoa1997: Nobody is here, sorry, IRC is closed
00:04 jojoa1997 hi marktraceur that is not here
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00:45 Traxie21 herro
00:45 TheZenKitteh herro to you as werr
00:46 RealBadAngel lol
00:46 RealBadAngel i mean ror
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00:46 TheZenKitteh ror
00:46 jin_xi lllllll
00:46 Traxie21 nicrr too see pprl arr tarrking
00:46 Traxie21 rrrrrrr
00:47 jin_xi lrllrlrr
00:47 TheZenKitteh sorry but I don't know how to pronounce that letter
00:47 TheZenKitteh :P
00:47 jin_xi thats a paradiddle
00:47 RealBadAngel sule we al tarkin arr the time
00:48 Traxie21 but when i reave, ya'rr stowp tarking it seems
00:48 TheZenKitteh Traxie21 you from japan or just imitating? lol
00:48 Traxie21 Texan
00:48 TheZenKitteh ah
00:49 RealBadAngel could happen, we are talkin usally when not coding or somethin ;) ive just finished polish translation for mt
00:49 TheZenKitteh east coast here.. won't say exactly where but I will appear as from texas
00:49 TheZenKitteh :P
00:49 RealBadAngel now goin back to finish code for MV furnace for technic
00:49 Traxie21 srsly... your'e afraid to state your state?
00:49 Traxie21 :D
00:49 * TheZenKitteh is a paranoid individual. get used to it
00:49 TheZenKitteh lol
00:50 Traxie21 oke
00:50 Traxie21 Would anyone like to see a full-featured server commands mod with reasonable configuration systems?
00:51 Traxie21 similar to bukkit Essentials
00:58 Traxie21 oi, im off
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01:18 jojoa1997 !up 0gb.us 30000-30002
01:18 Minetest-tan 0gb.us:30000 is up (0.616ms)
01:18 Minetest-tan 0gb.us:30001 is up (0.540ms)
01:18 Minetest-tan 0gb.us:30002 seems to be down
01:32 TheZenKitteh is there a way to totally disable writing debug to disk?
01:36 RealBadAngel disconnect hdd
01:38 TheZenKitteh lol I want to disable it for use on a usb drive for multiplayer
01:38 TheZenKitteh all those writes to debug aren't good on usb
01:38 TheZenKitteh usb flash drive*
01:39 TheZenKitteh ah found out how
01:39 TheZenKitteh minetest.exe --logfile NUL or ./minetest --logfile ''
01:39 TheZenKitteh for anyone else wondering
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01:45 jojoa1997 kaeza: have you thought about what the textures should be for the smoke and debris for firearms
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02:08 hmmmm i think i'm going to spend a little time on on_generated... this shit takes about 90ms at -O1 on a xeon e3-1230v2
02:08 hmmmm nuts
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02:45 VanessaE how fast should it be, ideally?
02:46 NekoGloop Fast*er*
02:46 hmmmm as fast as possible
02:47 hmmmm on_generate being called on an air chunk on the other hand takes around 6ms
02:47 TheZenKitteh is there a known way to specify as like a config option or command line argument the location of the worlds and mods folders?
02:47 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjcgxaXH71w
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02:55 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EuPsXanYzY Lookit what I found! :D
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03:54 TheZenKitteh RealBadAngel: seems your latest technic breaks some things
03:54 TheZenKitteh investigating
03:56 RealBadAngel what things?
03:56 TheZenKitteh after update I noticed nuclear furnace texture is unknown and something about making a dummy image for "3"
03:57 RealBadAngel nuclear reactor texture??
03:57 TheZenKitteh there's also a building someone else made that uses some block that is now unknown but I can't remember what it was
03:57 RealBadAngel theres no such object in technic yet
03:57 TheZenKitteh there was
03:57 TheZenKitteh I have it in front of me
03:57 TheZenKitteh lol
03:57 RealBadAngel no there wasnt
03:58 TheZenKitteh it still works but texture missing
03:58 RealBadAngel Jordach posted a patch but it wasnt merged
03:58 TheZenKitteh don't remember where I got the old technic from but it had it
03:58 RealBadAngel official code of technic never had nuclear reactor in it
03:58 TheZenKitteh I thought I had it from your post
03:59 RealBadAngel there will be one but not sooner as MV tier got finished
04:00 RealBadAngel please use just current version of the mod
04:00 TheZenKitteh I was using what I thought was current .88
04:00 TheZenKitteh then seen new version and updated
04:00 TheZenKitteh might revert back
04:01 TheZenKitteh there was a nuclear_reactor.lua file
04:01 TheZenKitteh lol
04:01 TheZenKitteh in the version I had
04:03 RealBadAngel better delete all instanced of technic you may have
04:03 RealBadAngel and reinstall new one
04:03 RealBadAngel it has even different directory structure
04:03 RealBadAngel *instances
04:03 TheZenKitteh the issue is this old technic has been used for a long time on an established world
04:04 RealBadAngel we can talk about it when i got back from work
04:04 RealBadAngel about 4pm CET
04:04 RealBadAngel now im off to work
04:04 TheZenKitteh k I may or may not be on if I am feel free to chat
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04:22 Menche firearms froze my server :(
04:35 kaeza night all
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04:47 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PHpCywCcIA
05:05 VanessaE z.
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05:29 TheZenKitteh im off night
05:47 VanessaE think I'll do the same.  night.
06:07 OldCoder c u
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08:13 Calinou forum died
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09:17 berome hello !
09:17 berome Minetest.net seems down :-/
09:17 berome read you later :-)
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10:32 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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10:41 OldCoder Good morning
10:58 Oblivion1500 good morning
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12:56 Traxie21 hai
13:00 Traxie21 waffles
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13:23 thexyz Calinou: no u
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13:47 NekoGloop Meow?
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14:07 VanessaE hi
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14:11 Kacey hi guys
14:11 Kacey and gals
14:12 NekoGloop ello :D
14:13 Kacey hi NekoGloop
14:13 VanessaE good morning
14:13 Kacey well it is morning i know that
14:14 Kacey but "good"? idk
14:14 NekoGloop mornin
14:15 * VanessaE imagines the obnoxious wake-up ringtone she uses on her cell phone
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14:15 * Kacey wakes up to the curtains being opened and getting blinded
14:15 VanessaE "Good morning!  (doo doo doo)" (followed by a jaunty, loud, pleasant-natured tune)
14:16 NekoGloop This game I'm playing is haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard :(
14:16 Kacey which one?
14:16 NekoGloop http://rpgmaker.net/games/3554/ If anyone is curious.
14:17 Kacey what is the point of it?
14:19 * VanessaE watches the incoming storm with interest.
14:19 VanessaE no doubt my server will be going down for a few hours today.
14:19 Kacey !up 67.190.14.129
14:19 Minetest-tan 67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.298ms)
14:20 Kacey i have an inch of snow outside :P
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14:33 jojoa1997 Hello!
14:34 Kacey hi
14:34 jojoa1997 Kacey geuss what
14:34 Kacey what?
14:34 jojoa1997 squir+chicken=octopus!
14:35 jojoa1997 squirl
14:35 Kacey ?
14:35 jojoa1997 laugh already it was supposed to be random and funny
14:37 Kacey random and funny = net split
14:37 jojoa1997 :/
14:38 Kacey net splits are hilarious
14:38 jojoa1997 net=banana
14:39 Kacey nono
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14:56 * VanessaE wonders if anything else new is going on
14:56 NekoGloop I'm making a game in RPG Maker. Isn't new, but idk if you know.
14:56 VanessaE I saw
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14:59 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vaGE4MQ/untitleder.PNG
15:00 NekoGloop Current state of the beginning town.
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15:00 VanessaE looks like classic ultima or so
15:00 VanessaE or zelda
15:01 VanessaE cute player avatar though :-)
15:01 NekoGloop Think final fantasy 4 or 6.
15:01 VanessaE never played those
15:01 NekoGloop 5?
15:02 VanessaE never played any version thereof.
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15:03 NekoGloop you're no fun ;-)
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15:03 VanessaE :P
15:04 NekoGloop well it's your traditional JRPG minus the traditional world map
15:04 NekoGloop the areas will be linked similar to Pokemon, with intermediate areas inbetween them.
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15:05 NekoGloop http://rpgmaker.net/games/427/ for a final fantasy fangame. It's as final fantasy as you can get.
15:07 NekoGloop RPG maker games (at least 2003 and 2000 ones) should run in wine. As for the editor I've no idea.
15:07 VanessaE zzz
15:07 VanessaE not really into that stuff :)
15:08 NekoGloop Well you could look at the screens of that game to see what I mean.
15:08 VanessaE I see it
15:09 VanessaE classic tile-based maps, isometric overhead view, sprite-based characters
15:09 NekoGloop not really isometric...?
15:09 VanessaE well I guess not isometric
15:09 VanessaE but pseudo-3d
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15:26 OnlyHuman hi, is the website down?
15:26 thexyz yes
15:26 thexyz except forums
15:26 NekoGloop when ISNT it?
15:26 OnlyHuman oh, is there somewhere else I can download a windows version?
15:27 NekoGloop the forums.
15:27 OnlyHuman I did run an installer from one website but it doesnt appear to work
15:27 OnlyHuman thanks
15:27 sfan5 -> avg. Mistakes per Topic with Mistake(s): 1.23423423423
15:27 sfan5 ^ look at that number
15:28 thexyz OnlyHuman: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4240
15:28 OnlyHuman thanks thexyx
15:34 OnlyHuman avast antivirus seems to have popped up when starting minetest
15:36 VanessaE bbl
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15:56 Traxie21 Does anyone know exactly what the update modes of file.io do?
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16:11 celeron57 so re. yesterday's discussion, from here on everything based on minetest shall be called <something>/minetest-c55
16:11 celeron57 marktraceur: right? 8)
16:12 celeron57 no - WRONG.
16:12 celeron57 i'll let you make a guess why minetest uses an open license
16:13 NekoGloop fake.
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16:14 celeron57 i'm too lazy to prove myself non-fake, but being anonymous is fine
16:17 marktraceur celeron57: Can I help you? I wasn't part of any discussion.
16:18 celeron57 okay, now i wonder who is the fake one here, and when
16:20 celeron57 i'm pretty sure you are the one talking here: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-01-29#i_2844472
16:20 celeron57 the fact that the logs don't even record the operator status of people sucks though
16:20 marktraceur Oh, I see
16:21 marktraceur You're talking about that discussion
16:21 marktraceur celeron57: No, from here on everything based on Minetest will be called Halo
16:22 celeron57 i wonder why; but as you wish
16:22 NekoGloop Oh, hey, that discussion I just sat there and let unfold while laughing my ass off.
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16:26 marktraceur NekoGloop: I'm pretty happy with the result
16:26 celeron57 but i mean, seriously, there is no reason why any end user of a gnu/linux distro or a minetest-based game should hear the word gnu or minetest
16:26 celeron57 they only need to know about it when they dig a bit deeper
16:26 celeron57 and they will
16:26 marktraceur celeron57: I think your analogy is backwards, actually :)
16:26 Calinou hi
16:26 NekoGloop I don't care if this person is really celeron, but I agree.
16:27 Calinou let's rename Minetest to GNU/Minetest
16:27 Calinou :-d
16:27 marktraceur linux is *just as* deep, if not deeper than, GNU.
16:27 marktraceur (on average, I'd say, since there are parts of GNU on either side of linux)
16:27 Calinou "linux" is the OS, "linux kernel" is the kernel, much simpler than saying "gnu/linux" is the os, "linux" is the kernel
16:28 marktraceur Calinou: Same number of syllables in the system, fewer characters
16:28 marktraceur Less ambiguous, too
16:28 marktraceur But it's OK!
16:28 celeron57 ehm
16:28 Calinou then use an acronym for linux kernel, or let the context do things
16:28 NekoGloop Wow, do I actually agree with Calinou
16:28 celeron57 you just need to know on which level people are talking
16:28 marktraceur We can just call it Maemo 5 and not worry
16:28 Calinou ^ what celeron57 said
16:28 NekoGloop Call it Bob.
16:29 celeron57 if casual, then linux is the whole thing; if technical, then gnu/linux is the OS, linux is the kernel - kind of
16:29 marktraceur I for one am on Debian LoseThos, and I'm super-happy with it.
16:29 Calinou losethos?
16:29 marktraceur *nod*
16:29 Calinou wtf is LoseThos :P
16:30 marktraceur Calinou: Oh come on. You should understand what I mean.
16:30 * Calinou goes to startpage
16:31 Calinou "LoseThos is a small 64bit open source free operating system"
16:31 Calinou gotta like "64 bit" being an argument :P
16:31 Calinou ...it's like saying a graphics card having 3D accel
16:32 Calinou s/having/has
16:32 marktraceur Calinou: Except that there are still 32-bit CPUs in circulation
16:32 Calinou even my netbook's atom is 64 bit, if you buy a cpu that doesn't support 64 bit today, you're doing it wrong :P
16:33 marktraceur Calinou: I didn't say on sale, I said in circulation
16:33 marktraceur Calinou: I was still using a computer from 2002 until last year
16:33 celeron57 this went extremely offtopic extremely fast, but... saying "64 bit" is an argument because it means it doesn't have any kind of support for 32-bit
16:33 marktraceur *nod*
16:33 celeron57 and you can still buy 32-bit x86 CPUs as new
16:33 marktraceur celeron57: Be fair, this *started* as offtopic
16:33 celeron57 i'm fine with where this is going 8)
16:34 Calinou even a celeron G530 (no pun intended) is 64 bit, and pwns CPUs from 2002 :P
16:34 Calinou ...that's 40 euros
16:34 marktraceur celeron57: My perennial realization that this community would rather I not be here and taking a break for 3-6 months?
16:34 celeron57 Calinou: take some netbook grade Atom
16:34 Calinou celeron57: my netbook supports 64 bit, at least the N455 supports it
16:35 Calinou (it was sold with 32 bit windows, the irony)
16:35 celeron57 marktraceur: probably not, i guess; but it does not mean people can't actively disagree with you in some things in some reoccurring themes of discussion
16:36 * Calinou looks at a random server admin then says: "disagreeing is a right, not a privilege"
16:36 celeron57 i'm fine with you disagreeing with me, but find it unfair if you say your opinion and then don't let me say mine 8)
16:37 marktraceur celeron57: I certainly don't prevent others from saying things.
16:37 marktraceur (I mean, unless it goes against the community grain, in which case this @ comes in handy)
16:38 celeron57 yes; and that means things are in good shape!
16:38 marktraceur celeron57: Except that ultimately I'm a punchline in this channel, which may not be a good use of my time.
16:39 celeron57 what does that even mean
16:40 marktraceur celeron57: It means I spend time here trying to help people, but ultimately I'm not serving my own goals, because this community would rather laugh at me than listen.
16:41 marktraceur It should be made clear that I'm not complaining, just stating facts.
16:42 celeron57 i don't think that generally applies
16:42 celeron57 it is a thing for everyone to try to avoid a bit though
16:42 FreeFull You don't have to buy 32-bit x86's, you can buy a 64-bit and use it as a 32-bit
16:43 marktraceur *shrug*
16:43 marktraceur Well, this day is off to a good start, I'll head to work now
16:43 celeron57 8D
16:44 * celeron57 the alternative to morning coffee
16:44 Calinou ...or 4chan
16:46 FreeFull Minetest invigorates your soul
16:46 celeron57 anyway, i'm not here to piss anyone off, i'm here to insert more opinions on the internet, because the internet is always lacking enough opinions
16:47 FreeFull I think red is better than green
16:48 Calinou true story
16:48 Calinou FreeFull: green is easier to see for humans :(
16:48 NekoGloop ... Super Paper Mario reference?
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16:48 * Calinou puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head.
16:48 * NekoGloop purrs
16:50 * celeron57 puts a NekoGloop on kitten's head
16:52 celeron57 puts a kitten's head on NekoGloop
16:52 celeron57 +/me
16:52 * celeron57 sucks at webchat
16:53 NekoGloop then don't use it
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16:53 * celeron57 goes elsewhere to wait for the GLORIOUS ADSL of c55.me to work again
16:54 celeron57 Finland - the leader in all kinds of IT except in nothing and no way whatsoever
16:54 celeron57 8)))
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17:03 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vaGE4MQ/untitleder.PNG and http://ompldr.org/vaGE5Yg/untitleder2.PNG :D
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17:04 jordach hey all
17:04 jordach ive also done the biggest trolling on minetest ever
17:06 jordach most people ACTUALLY believe im from the ISS, im just playing along with it
17:08 PilzAdam Calinou, update the forum link in the wiki and change the "Server List" to servers.minetest.ru
17:08 jordach NekoGloop hey there
17:08 * jordach puts a kitten on nekogloops head
17:08 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vaGE4MQ/untitleder.PNG and http://ompldr.org/vaGE5Yg/untitleder2.PNG
17:08 * NekoGloop purrs
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17:09 jordach nekogloop. cant tell if windows or mac
17:09 jordach <sarcasm>
17:10 PilzAdam its obviously KDE
17:12 jordach :P
17:13 jordach PilzAdam, responding to your question, no i am not
17:14 jordach i dont often interact with the community, so i might as well be social again, im bored of the boring postd
17:14 jordach posts*
17:15 jordach (pilzadam, im a grumpy bastard, so i wanna have some fun)
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17:22 rotor113 sorry for the things I did yesterday
17:23 jordach rotor, thats okay
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17:24 rotor113 hi
17:24 LandMine Fuck all u fuckin faggs
17:24 LandMineMineTest was kicked by marktraceur: LandMineMineTest
17:25 rotor113 why is there a texture limit?
17:25 jordach mark, :D
17:26 jordach rotor, minetest.conf add this line:
17:26 jordach enable_texture_atlas = false
17:26 jordach ...and done
17:27 rotor113 but it makes the game slower
17:29 rotor113 what's the reason of the limit of the textures?
17:29 jordach there is no texture limit
17:29 Calinou texture atlas ≠ texture limit
17:29 Calinou it is enabled by default, but not adapted for the new-ish modding system...
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17:30 rotor113 ok
17:31 PilzAdam LandMine is on -delta
17:31 rotor113 there was a bug:
17:32 rotor113 when you use liquid nodes with depends.txt
17:32 NekoGloop we know
17:32 rotor113 they won't create flowing liquids
17:32 NekoGloop no nobody cares enough to fix it
17:32 berome Calinou c'est quoi le dernier modding system ? Ca https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L213 n'est plus la référence ?
17:33 berome What are you talking about "new-ish modding system"
17:33 berome ?
17:33 NekoGloop ENGLISH. DO YOU SPEAK IT.
17:33 berome nope
17:34 jordach pilzadam, nobody important is on delta
17:34 marktraceur berome: Do they speak English in Nope?
17:34 PilzAdam I am on -delta.... :-(
17:34 jordach pilzadam, /ignore
17:35 rotor113
17:35 rotor113
17:35 jordach huh
17:35 jordach turboirc has /ignore
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17:35 rotor113 do you use firefox?
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17:36 OldCoder Hi
17:37 berome marktraceur: sure really special english like mine.
17:37 berome specials/complicate stuffs are easier to understand disambigously in french for me;
17:38 berome please notice I try a translation immediately
17:38 jordach rotor, nope, google chrome
17:38 berome I want to point too that's it is strictly the same for abbreviations, and "street" english jst EVERYBODY write EVER
17:38 berome HERE
17:39 berome without stupids remarks
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17:39 rotor113 only the license doesn't fit: desert stone texture http://ubuntuone.com/3sjDrKEYqUkAiRO93O34dx
17:40 marktraceur For the information of the channel, I'm fielding some rather nasty PMs from LM right now and he may be coming back. I'll deal with it as soon as humanly possible.
17:40 rotor113 the fsaa doesn't work: http://ubuntuone.com/1tUY4SdnOtVuz0xlMmqylT
17:41 berome ? nothing to deal with that marktraceur
17:41 marktraceur I mean, if he comes back. He claims to have more IP addresses.
17:41 rotor113 my texturepack of minetest-0.3.1: http://ubuntuone.com/5WwPLiOXFezLZQHSfuPavM
17:42 rotor113 I built a gravel way at singleplayer: http://ubuntuone.com/4MH58WWKa9YMDbjj2SYvOd
17:43 rotor113 and my 'sky ship': http://ubuntuone.com/1istD3jK3k4qz84r8Wn64g
17:43 jordach marktraceur he does. but he dont know about TOR.
17:44 rotor113 and a gimped mushroom: http://ubuntuone.com/3Wa05xA4vk7Lra5NQGqzeF
17:44 rotor113 I remember this bug: http://ubuntuone.com/59YRzVmoSLmkcIKMW2Phaw
17:45 rotor113 And this one (artefact): http://ubuntuone.com/0unLwRKfXFPU6l9l4rFzbV
17:46 rotor113 I've got some pictures from Zeg9's Server, too: http://ubuntuone.com/4yhgWxzA8pcZhTDLnplYOh
17:46 NekoGloop_ trippy
17:46 rotor113 http://ubuntuone.com/6DNTHVuXqI87IkUXuZvtaA
17:46 Calinou berome: new-ish == since 0.4.0, july 22nd 2012
17:46 Calinou rotor113: FSAA not working == old news :P
17:47 Traxie21 LandMine is in #minetest-mods
17:47 Calinou forcing it with NVIDIA driver doesn't even work, too
17:47 Calinou no1cares
17:47 rotor113 have you ever inverted the light?:http://ubuntuone.com/0mR7cow7O5oKKJQguccB4m
17:47 Calinou #minetest-mods no longer officially exists
17:47 rotor113 http://ubuntuone.com/2HFlcwaldmFmLRAEYnp6qA
17:47 berome Calinou: thanks, I was afraid learning something osolete.
17:47 Calinou ubuntuone, heh
17:48 rotor113 yes
17:48 rotor113 5GB free space
17:48 rotor113 john's glowing mod: http://ubuntuone.com/2hk33cLD0FQxaA0se1gLhC
17:49 rotor113 there's an other bug: http://ubuntuone.com/7mBORsx0houASon9XPgrXA
17:50 Calinou ubuntuone has no direct linking, no integrated video viewer too AFAIK
17:50 rotor113 two persons are at the same place
17:50 Calinou dropbox has video viewer, even for OGVs :P
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17:50 Calinou and dropbox works fairly well without its spyware client :P
17:51 jordach calinou, http://mega.co.nz
17:51 Calinou lol, nope.
17:51 jordach 50gb free
17:51 Calinou mega is an epic fail and has ads :P
17:51 jordach nope.
17:52 rotor113 this is a defect .zip file: http://ubuntuone.com/1wsuZTLIdnykti16vr00Hj
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17:52 rotor113 I don't think I can repair it
17:53 rotor113 I can't read this: http://ubuntuone.com/1Wz6ps0KaiAG0axZ28PqcV
17:54 mauvebic hmph, forums still down, cant post oil rig
17:54 rotor113 put it on github
17:54 thexyz mauvebic: wut
17:55 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/
17:55 NekoGloop_ ah, it no longer redirects.
17:55 thexyz change your bookmark
17:57 marktraceur Right, fair warning, mass-banning LM IPs
17:57 mauvebic ah damn lol
17:57 mauvebic wasnt bookmarks it was those little tiles in chromium lol but now it loads :-)
17:58 NekoGloop_ those are bookmarks :P
17:58 marktraceur Hm, missed a few
17:58 berome 201.141.39.226
17:58 marktraceur Oh, I guess it's because they're already banned.
17:58 berome ok
17:59 marktraceur If anyone has a big #minetest log, I can grep through there and get more
17:59 marktraceur Or have you grep through, or whatever
18:00 rotor113 Do you know this game? http://wz2100.net/
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18:03 rotor113_ what happened to me?
18:03 NekoGloop_ nothing
18:04 NekoGloop_ likely what happened to me though, a ping timeout
18:04 rotor113_ I couldn't send messages
18:04 NekoGloop_ happens faster on the client than the server.
18:05 NekoGloop_ like that.
18:05 rotor113_ "IRC: Be patient; get to know the rules" I don't know them
18:05 NekoGloop rotor113_: Yeah. We know.
18:05 NekoGloop In other words nobody cares about the topic.
18:05 jordach rotor, another game to my to play list, thanks
18:05 rotor113_ how can I change my nickname?
18:06 NekoGloop /nick
18:06 jordach /nick newnick
18:06 marktraceur How can you escape slashes?
18:06 marktraceur /say /nick
18:06 rotor113 ?
18:07 rotor113 /say
18:07 NekoGloop /nick
18:07 NekoGloop Ah.
18:07 rotor113 ...
18:08 rotor113 I need a list of the commands
18:09 rotor113 qwebirc is the chef here
18:10 rotor113 there are not much FAQ's
18:10 rotor113 s*
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18:13 Calinou marktraceur: put //nick
18:13 Calinou = /nick
18:13 Calinou //nick
18:13 Calinou ^ three slashes
18:13 Calinou xchat FTW :P
18:13 NekoGloop /nick
18:13 NekoGloop awesome.
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18:16 kaeza hi all
18:19 marktraceur ///nick
18:19 marktraceur Hm.
18:19 marktraceur Two slashes just runs the command, for me.
18:19 marktraceur kaeza: Welcome!
18:20 kaeza marktraceur, thanks! having any more problems with IRC mod?
18:20 kaeza or for that matter, IRC Admin?
18:20 marktraceur Not currently, no
18:20 kaeza ah good
18:20 marktraceur kaeza: I think I told you that !help <unknown-command> crashed my server, but I think you also fixed it
18:21 kaeza yeah. I fixed that as soon as you reported
18:21 marktraceur Right right.
18:21 kaeza all the other servers using it have updated as well
18:22 kaeza I am now struggling with the "nick in use" error
18:22 kaeza autoconnection fails sometimes because the bot's nick is already in use
18:23 marktraceur Huh.
18:23 marktraceur kaeza: Fall back to some other name, ghost the nick?
18:23 marktraceur kaeza: Presumably it registers with NickServ, right?
18:24 kaeza not really, but I can add that feature
18:24 kaeza as an option of course
18:24 marktraceur Hm. Why did I put in a password, then?
18:24 kaeza ah you mean identify
18:25 kaeza yes, I believe it does so, but you need to register the bot nickname yourself
18:26 marktraceur Ah.
18:27 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vaGFhYw/untitleder2.PNG Opinions on my window texture?
18:28 kaeza looks awesome
18:28 kaeza hmm... the border should be a bit lighter
18:32 jordach nekogloop, is THAT your ame?
18:32 jordach game*
18:32 NekoGloop The one I'm making in RPG Maker, yes.
18:32 jordach awesome
18:33 NekoGloop really?
18:34 * marktraceur giggles at RPG maker
18:34 marktraceur Not that it's a bad thing. I just recall a story about a CS student at my university whose senior project (i.e. the project that was supposed to be proof that she learned something) was an RPG Maker game.
18:35 jordach nekogloop, now when youre done, make it in C++
18:35 NekoGloop You're joking right?
18:36 kaeza marktraceur, RPG Maker is actually great for prototyping games
18:36 marktraceur No, not at all
18:36 kaeza ditto for Game Maker
18:36 NekoGloop that was at jordach, mark.
18:36 marktraceur kaeza: I'm sure it is, but it's not a great way to demonstrate knowledge in Computer Science.
18:36 marktraceur (intentional capitalisation)
18:36 jordach markt, im taking CS right now
18:37 jordach and its for two years (this one is the first)
18:37 marktraceur jordach: Good stuff
18:37 jordach and our programming language of choice is c++
18:37 marktraceur NekoGloop: Making a game in a proper language is fun! :)
18:37 jordach NOT java
18:37 Exio lucky
18:37 NekoGloop aka buggy as hell and impossible, mark.
18:38 kaeza I was writing an RPG in plain C, but it's currently buggy as hell and I have no plans of continuing it in the current state
18:38 kaeza I think I will reqrite it again from scratch
18:39 marktraceur NekoGloop: Only if you do it wrong, I suppose
18:39 kaeza rewrite*
18:39 marktraceur NekoGloop: We're around to help! :)
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18:40 jojoa1997 hi
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18:43 jordach kaeza give me the source code
18:43 jordach i might fix it for you
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18:43 jordach (im my spare time)
18:44 marktraceur Ah, spare time. I remember it fondly.
18:44 kaeza http://github.com/kaeza/cosmorpg
18:44 kaeza jordach, ^
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18:47 mauvebic which texture pack(s) are more realistic without being too grainy?
18:47 kaeza it's not even playable yet.
18:54 jordach mauvebic, Misa, Vanessa's @ 64x
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19:06 rotor113 I like plateaus http://media.indiedb.com/images/downloads/1/35/34373/kulkuvayla2.png
19:07 rotor113 it's minetest-c55 0.2.2
19:09 rotor113 I don't like the steelblock texture
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19:11 rotor113 at the new minetest you can't hold e to fly fast
19:11 rotor113 why?
19:11 rotor113 you always fly fast
19:11 rotor113 please change it back
19:11 marktraceur rotor113: File a bug
19:11 NekoGloop That's too fucking bag.
19:11 NekoGloop bad.
19:12 rotor113 but the particles are nice
19:12 NekoGloop what particles?
19:12 Jeija rotor113: Press j to fly slow
19:13 Jeija My particles :D, digging particles and punching particles I geuss
19:13 rotor113 I only know digging particles
19:14 Jeija When you punch a block, a few particles will also appear, that's punching particles. Did pressing j work?
19:14 rotor113 yes
19:14 rotor113 then I always fly slow
19:15 Jeija until you press j again... I prefer that method
19:15 NekoGloop stop complaining
19:15 NekoGloop the monarchs might hear you
19:15 PilzAdam rotor113, the new "hold E to fly fast" is configureable in minetest.conf; disabled by default
19:15 PilzAdam seems like i am the only one who uses it :-p
19:15 rotor113 ok
19:16 rotor113 how can I create a server list?
19:16 rotor113 I only saw the delete button
19:16 Jeija Your servers will be added to the list when connecting to them
19:17 rotor113 It didn't work
19:18 rotor113 why?
19:19 rotor113 at the moment I'm digging something at Zegaton
19:20 Jeija dunno, rotor113, what os? does client/serverlist/favoriteservers.txt exist at all?
19:20 rotor113 ubuntu
19:20 rotor113 12.04
19:21 rotor113 I got water
19:21 rotor113 with a mesepick
19:21 rotor113 flowing water
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19:21 NekoGloop Odd.
19:22 NekoGloop You usually get water sources.
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19:23 mitori hi
19:24 mitori is there anyone who can help?
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19:28 mitori once again
19:28 mitori hey
19:28 mitori what's uo
19:28 mitori what's up*
19:28 mitori is there anyone who can help with my little problem?
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19:30 jojoa1997 why is the forums down?
19:30 NekoGloop because you aren't going to the right link
19:30 PilzAdam the forums arent down; minetest.net is down
19:31 mauvebic romulans
19:31 PilzAdam jojoa1997, get free access: http://forum.minetest.net/index.php
19:31 jojoa1997 thanks
19:33 jojoa1997 pilzadam have you seen the hungry games code/mod
19:33 jojoa1997 wor anyone else who ould help cause there is a problem
19:35 marktraceur jojoa1997: Asking for Help 101: Say what the problem is.
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19:36 jojoa1997 sorry i am trying to look at code
19:36 jojoa1997 come on 0gb.us 30002
19:36 jojoa1997 i have to show you
19:36 jojoa1997 the chests are spawning like ores but i have set the spawning to false
19:37 jojoa1997 here is the github link https://github.com/Splizard/hungry_games/tree/master/mods
19:38 PilzAdam bye
19:40 marktraceur jojoa1997: Yeah, I'm not coming on the server.
19:40 jojoa1997 ok
19:41 jojoa1997 i cant post a pic right now screenchot isnt working
19:41 marktraceur jojoa1997: You say the chests are spawning like ores. Which chests? default:chest?
19:42 jojoa1997 no it is in the game. it is special to hungry_games
19:42 jojoa1997 https://github.com/Splizard/hungry_games/blob/master/mods/random_chests/init.lua
19:42 marktraceur Right.
19:42 marktraceur jojoa1997: Looks like chests_spawn is true there
19:43 jojoa1997 yeah but IIRC i set them to false one sec
19:43 jojoa1997 i did
19:43 marktraceur Your version of that init.lua file might be useful also.
19:43 marktraceur Pastebin.
19:44 jojoa1997 yeah 0gb runs the server
19:44 marktraceur Not sure that's terribly relevant
19:45 jojoa1997 as in i dont have the script with me. i told him what to edit
19:45 marktraceur jojoa1997: Tell him I won't play telephone tech support
19:47 jojoa1997 i just wanted to know what would cause that. and also he is in a different timezone than me so i only see him about 2 hours a day. i came to irc to ask he doesnt even know about the problem
19:48 kaeza <mitori> is there anyone who can help with my little problem?
19:48 kaeza what problem?
19:50 marktraceur jojoa1997: Probably either the value is set wrong or there's some other bug. I don't know from anecdotal evidence.
19:51 jojoa1997 actually here is some code in question
19:51 jojoa1997 --Enable chests to spawn in the world when generated.
19:51 jojoa1997 --Pass false if you want to hide your own chests in the world in creative.
19:51 jojoa1997 random_chests.enable()
19:51 jojoa1997 how would i pass that as false
19:51 jojoa1997 random_chests.enable() = false
19:52 jojoa1997 or
19:52 marktraceur No
19:52 jojoa1997 random_chests.disable()
19:52 marktraceur jojoa1997: random_chests.enable( false )
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19:55 jojoa1997 would it be the node timer?
19:55 jojoa1997 what does the nodetimer do?
19:55 jojoa1997 https://github.com/Splizard/hungry_games/blob/master/mods/random_chests/init.lua
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20:17 mauvebic im guessing 1034 nodes is abit much for the engine lol
20:19 marktraceur abit: the carnivorous brother to the alot
20:20 mauvebic well it aint 1034 textures - roughly 17 nodeboxes * 85 textures for one mod
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20:21 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/738040031 * 85 lol
20:21 mauvebic i found the trick: i set the creative delay to 1 second instead of 0, now the world loads :D
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20:27 * OldCoder must travel to San Jose again today
20:27 OldCoder I will be here later
20:27 OldCoder o/
20:27 mauvebic lovely weather i hope :-)
20:28 mauvebic its +10 here, another record (in the other direction) lol
20:28 markveidemanis I need someone to edit moretrees for me
20:28 markveidemanis WTF is up with forums
20:29 mauvebic forum.minetest.net
20:29 mauvebic though there should be some redirect script/frame/wtv lol
20:30 markveidemanis minetest.net/forum/
20:30 markveidemanis redirect can't be bothered
20:31 mauvebic well what sucks is that most google searches dont work for now
20:32 mauvebic giving the impression the whole thing is down
20:34 mauvebic ugh, if i keep adding more shapes ill need a button inventory
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20:47 markveidemanis jojoa1997
20:47 jojoa1997 'yeah
20:47 markveidemanis server down...
20:47 markveidemanis mine is up :D
20:48 jojoa1997 i know
20:48 sfan5 !server
20:48 Minetest-tan sfan5: Minetest.Ru main server | minetest.ru:30000   up (99.965%)
20:48 jojoa1997 hungry games is the most crash prone thing i have seen
20:48 markveidemanis gtg bye
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20:55 sapier1 hello
20:56 sapier can anyone tell me why string:split(somestringvar,"_") doesn't give expected result?
20:56 sfan5 sapier: are you using lua?
20:57 sapier yes
20:57 marktraceur sapier: string.split, not string:split, I'd guess
20:57 sfan5 IIRC there is no official split method for strings in lua
20:57 sapier hmm then lua_api.txt example is wrong
20:58 sapier so marktraceur is wrong and doc is right? but it still doesn't work
20:58 sapier string:split(separator)
20:58 sapier ^ eg. string:split("a,b", ",") == {"a","b"}
20:58 sapier is what is written in doc
20:59 marktraceur Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with it
21:00 sfan5 after some googling i didn't find a built-in string splitting function in lua
21:00 sapier this should be same as what I've written upper wirh one difference I've got a variable where doc has a plain string
21:00 sapier yes I know that string:split is from minetest
21:00 sapier it's in misc_helpers.lua
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21:01 sfan5 hm
21:01 marktraceur sapier: What result did you get from the original version you had?
21:01 sapier misc_helpers.lua:80: calling 'gsub' on bad self (string expected, got table)
21:02 sapier but my variable is a string
21:02 sapier I've checked by printing it directly
21:02 sfan5 string is a reserverd word
21:03 jin_xi name = string.split(name, "_")[2] works in my mod
21:03 sfan5 function string:split(....   defines the function as function of every string
21:03 sfan5 -> "a,b,c":split(',')
21:03 sfan5 it also only takes 1 argument
21:03 sfan5 ^ sapier
21:04 sapier there's an example in doc ... maybe that should be fixed
21:04 sapier using . notation works
21:06 sapier usually I don't read docs .... maybe I shouldn't have read it this time too ;-P
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21:09 jojoa1997_ http://forum.minetest.net/
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21:26 LandMine Fuck u dick munchers
21:26 Uberi good afternoon to you too, LandMine
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21:26 LandMine Marktraceur kiss my ass u fuckin faggot
21:27 LandMine Good afternoon uberi
21:27 LandMine Ur not in the list of dick munchers
21:27 LandMine was kicked by marktraceur: LandMine
21:27 marktraceur Fun times
21:28 mauvebic dick munchers = new kfc menu item?
21:28 Uberi the best
21:28 Uberi mauvebic: honestly, I would not be terribly surprised
21:28 mauvebic did you see that pic of the intestine in the nugget? lol gross
21:28 Uberi argh that mental imagery
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21:30 mauvebic yeah, most of the people who say they wont eat there anymore say its cuz they got sick last time they ate it lol
21:30 STHGOM hi
21:31 Uberi hey STHGOM
21:31 john_minetest Hi sparky.
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21:53 * marktraceur giggles at LandMine
21:53 marktraceur In a PM: "wtf y did u ban me?"
21:53 marktraceur As if it were some big mystery
21:53 Uberi bwahahaha
21:53 Uberi hey VanessaE
21:53 VanessaE hey
21:53 marktraceur I could very seriously live with kickbanning him in perpetuity
21:53 Uberi marktraceur: did you try a nick ban? or does he change nicks?
21:54 VanessaE he changes nicks *and* IP's
21:54 Uberi :/
21:54 marktraceur Uberi: He changes nicks sometimes, but even if he doesn't, I like being able to identify him easily
21:54 VanessaE (assuming "he" refers to LM)
21:54 Uberi marktraceur: it's not hard, just look for a few key words
21:54 Uberi "(4:26:28 PM) LandMine: Fuck u dick munchers"
21:55 Uberi :P
21:55 marktraceur Uberi: I thought about writing a script that watches people who enter the channel and are named ".*(Land|Mine).*", determines whether they say something vulgar, and bans them
21:56 marktraceur Seems like false positives would be bad, though. So I'll let it be for now.
21:56 Uberi marktraceur: make sure you add a random delay so it's hard to figure out the trigger :)
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21:57 marktraceur Uberi: Probably it would learn
21:58 marktraceur Uberi: Wait for three keyword confirmations, then add the language used up to then as a corpus against which to run future queries
21:59 Uberi hmm, yeah
22:00 Uberi a bayesian classifier with two categories, "LM" and "NotLM"
22:03 john_minetest marktraceur: Make a virtual, neuronal network that learns. In 12 years it will begin writing immature stuff in the chat, in 20 years it will maybe start kicking annoying people ;)
22:03 Uberi I like this idea ^
22:03 Exio you lost the last part: in 30 years it will kill you
22:03 Uberi but if you want, I already wrote a bayesian classifier library
22:03 Uberi 2043: the day ELIZA became self aware
22:04 marktraceur Uberi: I'm interested, but my interest comes after a TODO list fifty miles long
22:04 Uberi marktraceur: did you print out the todo list and tape the pages end to end? :P
22:04 marktraceur Uberi: ELIZA becomes aware, but only to find that in 2027, emacs' "M-x doctor" drove everyone mad
22:05 marktraceur Uberi: I used XKCD's log scale
22:05 Uberi :O
22:05 marktraceur https://xkcd.com/1162/
22:05 Uberi well you could always burn the list, that's what I did about a year ago
22:06 marktraceur (the alt-text is what I mean)
22:06 Uberi it felt so liberating
22:06 VanessaE ha!\
22:06 Uberi marktraceur: and it still can't represent Graham's number!
22:07 marktraceur Also, re: the chart in the comic: HOW ARE WE NOT USING NUCLEAR ENERGY.
22:08 Uberi well I want fusion power before we go about tearing up our infrastructure
22:08 Uberi nuclear energy is better than coal but isn't terribly renewable
22:08 Uberi uranium mines will eventually run out
22:09 marktraceur Oh, agreed. Fusion would be great.
22:09 marktraceur But nuclear also doesn't hurt the environment, so....I'll take the risk of depletion over the risk of environmental massacre.
22:10 sapier problems with nuclear energy is there ain't a way to store waste and there ain't a way to ensure politicians / managers won't reduce security to gain profit
22:10 marktraceur sapier: 1. Reuse it (France does), 2. That's what government is for
22:10 sapier does only reduce waste by about 10%
22:11 sapier and neither france nor gb nor japan have proven to handle this technology without major incidents
22:11 john_minetest OR put it in Bullets for the cannons and shoot it in other countries. That's what the americans do.
22:11 VanessaE don't some of thos enewest designs pretty much use up all of the radioactivity of the waste?
22:11 Uberi hah!
22:11 VanessaE as in rendering it no more active than dirt?
22:12 Uberi VanessaE: the waste reactors IIRC do that
22:12 Uberi here in Ontario, fully 30% of our power comes from hydroelectricity
22:12 sapier thats not true every study I read limits its findings to "strong radioactive waste" ... medium and low isn't considered at all
22:13 Uberi that's almost a third
22:13 Uberi if we expand these frontiers, we could have the majority of our energy from renewable sources within our lifetimes
22:14 VanessaE sapier: if you take all sources of radioactive waste - strong, light, etc - and reprocess them into fuel for one of these newer designs, you get almost zero waste out of the result, and what you get is no worse than dirt or concrete.
22:14 Exio the thing isn't "we can't get renewable ways" is the "the politics doesn't want", because it is something what doesn't result in a insta-profit thing
22:14 sapier vanessaE you can't reprocess medium and low to fuel
22:14 sapier only plutonium uranium can be reused
22:14 VanessaE sapier: apparently you can.
22:14 VanessaE and what's left is harmless.
22:14 marktraceur sapier: I wonder if we could extract the energy from the uranium, reuse what we can, and then use the energy to launch the waste into the sun.
22:14 Uberi we're going to need to tear up our infrastructure anyways, if the renewable energy people move fast enough they'll get more traction
22:14 VanessaE I say stuff it down the Marianas trench.
22:15 sapier no it isn't
22:15 john_minetest Hey, there is Hydrogen and Helium everywhere. Put it into a fusion reactor and this stuff will be radioactive but 100-years-hands-on (You can handle it without protection in 100 years).
22:15 Uberi VanessaE: yes!
22:15 VanessaE the earth will draw it back into the mantle and bye bye waste.
22:15 Uberi the earth already has plenty of radioactive waste anyways
22:15 john_minetest VanessaE: This would be a waste of waste.
22:15 Uberi and it will power future geothermal sources too!
22:15 VanessaE better to waste the waste than to waste the time worrying about what to do with the waste :-)
22:15 Uberi geothermal energy comes from radioactive elements in the earth
22:15 sapier O'm with john_minetest 100years can be handled ... 1000years as with best reuse technology in best cases can't be handled
22:17 sapier marktraceur "launch into sun" :-) funny ... one rocket malfunction and earth surface will be uninhabitable for thousands of years
22:17 marktraceur sapier: That's half the fun!
22:18 Exio sapier: i think he wants a venus clone
22:18 john_minetest What is the half-life of uranium? Up to 4.468×109 years! This stuff will be there and radiate.
22:18 VanessaE sapier: so...what about my suggestion of just stuffing the useless material into the Marianas Trench? (namely into the Challenger Deep)
22:18 Uberi it's called, Russion Roulette power
22:18 sapier john depends on what uranium you have
22:19 john_minetest Mars is too cool. It might be habitable. Use Pluto. It's not even a planet and it is far away.
22:19 Uberi VanessaE: we want a subduction zone, challenger should be pretty good
22:19 sapier vanessae how to ensure it'll stay there ?
22:19 john_minetest "cool"="nice"
22:19 VanessaE exactly.
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22:19 Uberi yeah mars is way too cool
22:19 paxcoder VanessaE, how do i make white paint, and why the dichotomy?
22:19 VanessaE sapier: same way we do now - a metric fuckload of LEAD and shielding.
22:19 sapier subduction is a very slow process ;-)
22:19 Uberi VanessaE: no need, a few meters of water is just as effective
22:20 sapier that didn't work for 100 years ... how do you expect it to work for tectonic ages?
22:20 VanessaE paxcoder: because youcan't really "dye" something white - the point of dye is to add color, not remove it,  hence paint.   make it by cooking stone into titanium dioxide, combine that with a bucket of water and some junglegrass.
22:20 sapier in germany we're about to recollect nuclear waste from storage because it's proven to be unsafe after only 50 years
22:20 VanessaE sapier: better that than storing it in a mountain or whatever
22:21 Uberi sapier: what? why?
22:21 sapier and this isn't going to be easy
22:21 VanessaE at least in a subduction zone it'll eventually get sucked in
22:21 paxcoder VanessaE, umm, all of your examples are additive, so white should be fine as well
22:21 VanessaE or fuck it, dump it in the nearest volcano. :-)
22:21 Uberi DON'T OPEN THE VAULT, THERE'S AN ALIEN IN THERE
22:21 Uberi VanessaE: that's a terribly smart idea
22:21 VanessaE paxcoder: have you ever tried to dye something white?  No.  you *bleach* it, or you paint it.
22:21 paxcoder VanessaE, i really don't see the problem
22:22 sapier because gelogists thouht where salt is there wasn't water for thousands of years and there won't be for another thousands of years ... they haven't been right
22:22 paxcoder if yellow+red=orange, then red+white=pink
22:22 VanessaE and since I couldn't think of a decent way to make sodium hypochlorite, well...
22:22 VanessaE :)
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22:22 Uberi VanessaE: salt water + mesecon signal? :P
22:22 VanessaE paxcoder: that's how I made it because it made sense to me
22:22 STHGOM ttyl guys
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22:22 VanessaE Uberi: that would be sodium hydroxide :-)
22:22 sapier now we have nuclear wast burried below millions of tons of salt being taken away slowly from warer ...
22:23 sapier water
22:23 Uberi wait wait lemme try and remember how I did it last time
22:23 VanessaE I don't buy into some types of "conservation", like water.  It's not like it just ceases to exist once used.
22:23 john_minetest gtg, bye
22:23 Uberi bye
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22:24 marktraceur VanessaE: No, but if you want to purify it again, it takes energy
22:24 marktraceur VanessaE: And you have to transport it back up the system
22:24 paxcoder VanessaE, you owe me 3 buckets so far ;-P
22:24 VanessaE marktraceur: sure, but that's the sort of process best driven by the sun.  As in, the earth's natural water cycle.
22:24 Uberi VanessaE: wait, but Cl bubbles through the NaOH and forms NaClO
22:25 VanessaE Uberi: yea but where do you get the chlorine from? :)
22:25 Uberi while the NaCl(aq) is being electrified, of course!
22:25 marktraceur VanessaE: Maybe so. But we, as humans, probably couldn't be served by that alone without immense rain-catching systems. Especially in places where it rains (maybe) once a year.
22:25 paxcoder White is too expensive. I'm dyeing here
22:25 VanessaE marktraceur: all I know is, all of that water has to go somewhere after it's been used - treated or not.
22:25 Uberi the Na ions go into the water and Cl goes gaseous
22:25 VanessaE paxcoder: so fix it :-)
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22:26 Uberi then the NaOH formed has Cl bubbling through it
22:26 Uberi forming NaClO
22:26 VanessaE Uberi: I'm not sure it works that way, but maybe...of course mesecons signals are low-power TTL so I suppose you'd need a LV or MV cable from technic :-)
22:26 Uberi bangarang, bleach!
22:26 Uberi VanessaE: I tried it, with two carbon rods taken from batteries, some hot glue, and half a water bottle
22:26 Uberi it sort of worked
22:27 VanessaE carbon rods...from batteries?   dry cells?
22:27 VanessaE (people still make those?)
22:27 paxcoder just when you thought green couldn't get any more hyperactive: bleached green
22:27 Uberi I dunno, I took apart a lot of batteries for that one before I found it
22:27 Uberi I think it was some off brand D-cell
22:27 VanessaE Uberi: maybe it was one of those "heavy duty" ones, which I guess are dry cells
22:28 VanessaE (abe and I call those "super volt", from some random duracell or energizer commercial)
22:29 Uberi I had no idea, honestly
22:29 paxcoder something's really wrong with inheritance between objects
22:29 Uberi didn't know much about battery chemistry at the time
22:29 paxcoder dysfunctional junglewood
22:29 paxcoder no bronze buckets
22:29 paxcoder etc
22:30 VanessaE wait a sec here.
22:30 VanessaE what are you doing that's costing you all these buckets?
22:30 paxcoder just making lighter colors
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22:30 VanessaE ah
22:31 paxcoder that shouldn't cost me a bucket
22:32 VanessaE I'll fix it.
22:33 paxcoder VanessaE, is it me, or does making colours from dyes and base sometime leave empty bottles'
22:33 paxcoder ?
22:33 VanessaE it shouldn't give you anything back except in the case of lighter colors (the missing bucket), until you actually *use* the dye
22:33 paxcoder oh
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22:34 paxcoder VanessaE, in that case, it eats all but last bottle
22:34 VanessaE that's a bug in the engine,
22:34 VanessaE I can't fix that.
22:35 paxcoder no? couldn't you write to inventory?
22:35 VanessaE I wouldn't know how to do that.
22:35 paxcoder oh
22:35 VanessaE there, fixed the missing buckets in unified dyes.
22:35 paxcoder well you could allow for empty bottles alongside base+dye
22:36 VanessaE (git)
22:36 paxcoder and then just increase their nr, as bottles are emptied
22:36 Uberi is unified dyes in trunk yet?
22:36 VanessaE Uberi: no and never will be
22:36 Uberi why not? :(
22:36 paxcoder VanessaE, that was fast
22:36 VanessaE because c55 thinks his in-game dye system is better.
22:36 Uberi there's an in-game dye system?
22:36 VanessaE Uberi: yes, and it doesn't work - you can't actually *make* the dyes.
22:37 Uberi well how on earth is that better
22:37 VanessaE it isn't.
22:37 VanessaE but it's simpler
22:37 VanessaE fewer colors, etc.
22:37 Uberi :/
22:38 VanessaE Unified Dyes works with anything that uses the in-game dye system properly (e.g. groups-based colors)
22:38 Uberi neat
22:38 VanessaE and there's at least one standalone mod that adds crafting recipes for the in-game ones, sdzen and I worked on it
22:38 paxcoder That moment when you've been digging in a cave for some time, only to notice all the torches you've blaced are still upside-down
22:39 Uberi VanessaE: so those are the ones that actually make sense right?
22:39 VanessaE Uberi: eh?
22:39 Uberi the recipes, I mean
22:39 VanessaE oh
22:40 VanessaE well they're similar to what a lot of people have used in the past, e.g. apples give red, mese (fragments) gives yellow, coal is black, and others.
22:40 Uberi ah awesome
22:40 Uberi what's blue?
22:40 VanessaE cactus.
22:40 Uberi :/
22:40 Exio wtf?
22:41 Exio what about adding some flower or ores for the dyes?
22:41 VanessaE but in the absence of flowers, which imho is the proper way to do it, there wasn't much other way.
22:41 Exio flowers*
22:41 VanessaE Exio: unified dyes.
22:41 VanessaE uses flowers.
22:41 Uberi ah flowers would be a good way to do it
22:41 VanessaE as far as I'm concerned, plants_lib and flowers mod should be in minetest_game now.
22:42 VanessaE add those and a whole world of new stuff opens up for everyone else to use.
22:42 VanessaE imho.
22:42 Uberi I'd like flowers in mt_game
22:42 Exio what plants_lib does?
22:42 VanessaE Exio: it is a biome library
22:42 paxcoder bioyou?
22:42 VanessaE yeah
22:43 Exio then, i don't think it should be, first we need the new mapgen
22:43 Uberi what kind of new mapgen, Exio?
22:43 Exio what adds "non-lua biomes" aka, faster stuff
22:43 Uberi Exio: current biomes are already in CPP
22:43 VanessaE plants_lib does all of that and it's fast.
22:43 VanessaE Uberi: no, they aren't.
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22:43 Exio i saw a "removed mapgen v7" in the log
22:44 VanessaE mapgen v7 doesn't have anything of use yet.
22:44 Exio and afaik v7 == biomes
22:44 VanessaE Exio: no.  but it theoretically will.
22:44 VanessaE https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/plantlife/master/API.txt
22:44 VanessaE plants_lib API ^^^^
22:44 Uberi VanessaE: hmm?
22:45 VanessaE read and enjoy :-)
22:45 VanessaE this library is how moretrees is able to create tree biomes and keep things in order.
22:45 VanessaE (ditto junglegrass, flowers, poisonivy, vines)
22:45 VanessaE hopefully more stuff will follow.
22:45 * paxcoder fills 7 buckets with water
22:46 paxcoder VanessaE, prob with buckets is also that they don't stack
22:46 paxcoder well, the water ones don't
22:46 VanessaE paxcoder: bug in minetest_game
22:46 VanessaE but I'm not sure if it makes sense to let them stack
22:46 VanessaE at least not full ones.
22:46 Uberi empty ones though
22:47 paxcoder VanessaE, perhaps i should've said "problem with using buckets for this" ;-)
22:47 VanessaE right
22:47 VanessaE well at least I fixed the missing buckets bug :-0
22:47 VanessaE :-)
22:47 * paxcoder gives cr
22:57 kaeza hello all
22:57 Uberi hi kaeza
22:57 VanessaE hey kaeza
22:58 paxcoder is there a way to see through walls again?
22:59 paxcoder i can't, even with a bobblock
22:59 kaeza hmm... Is it possible to set metadata on inventory items?
23:00 Uberi itemstacks?
23:00 Uberi yeah, they have metadata
23:00 Uberi but only a string IIRC
23:00 kaeza that should be enoguh
23:00 kaeza enough*
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23:04 Kacey hi guys and gals
23:04 VanessaE hikacey
23:06 Kacey VanessaE, i am writing down some API ideas
23:07 VanessaE oh good
23:07 Kacey ya
23:07 Kacey so far i only have groups
23:10 Kacey wow... this RAM project is going to break minetest...
23:10 Uberi you building RAM module with luacontrollers Kacey?
23:10 VanessaE groups?
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23:11 Kacey Uberi, microcontrollers i cannot understand luacontrollers
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23:11 Uberi ah
23:11 Kacey VanessaE, like tube = 1 and pipe = 1
23:11 Kacey like snappy,choppy,etc
23:11 VanessaE that is already possible
23:12 Kacey but there is reciever, pump, and more to come from my mind
23:12 VanessaE oh pipeworks API
23:13 VanessaE I was thinking about plants_lib at the moment
23:13 VanessaE but ok, go on
23:14 Kacey that is all i have at the moment
23:15 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/2140743512 much better for my 1034+ nodes lol
23:15 jojoa1997 O.o
23:16 mauvebic i needed a searchable inventory my old one was no good lol
23:17 paxcoder what *exactly* triggers if-sand-in-air-then-fall check?
23:17 mauvebic when you dig around it
23:17 mauvebic nodeupate i think
23:17 mauvebic *nodeupdate()
23:17 Kacey someone want to work on ROM?
23:18 Kacey and they said RAM wasnt possible...
23:18 paxcoder mauvebic, is nodeupdate triggered for rot and burn too?
23:18 mauvebic not sure i dont have fire or rotting type mods
23:19 mauvebic i have a fire node but its decorative lol
23:19 paxcoder it seems it's not! TROLOLOLO
23:19 paxcoder awww yis
23:20 mauvebic deco fire ontop of oil rig: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1159919195
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23:23 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CkVl93nM8Y huge...
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23:31 paxcoder how does it keep burning?
23:36 VanessaE there, plants_lib API.txt is much easier to read now. :-)
23:36 VanessaE if anyone gives two shits.
23:38 Kacey anyone here good at mesecons?
23:39 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaGFmbw/screenshot_2379471878.png finished RAM (a little more advanced)
23:41 VanessaE nice oil rid, paxcoder.
23:41 VanessaE rig*
23:41 paxcoder not mine
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23:42 VanessaE it's still nice :P
23:43 Sh1fty is technic now fully compatible with pipeworks?
23:44 Kacey no
23:44 VanessaE Sh1fty: well, it uses pipeworks.
23:45 VanessaE and in fact depends on it, so I'd have to call it "compatible" :-)
23:47 Sh1fty i was thinking about this: "Conflicts:  technic.  Pipeworks includes several features that were part of technic, but that mod has not been updated to remove them, so for example chests/furnaces won't be able to receive items from neighboring tubes."
23:47 Sh1fty i see there was an update to technic chests a couple of days ago
23:47 VanessaE that isn't necessary actually
23:47 VanessaE RBA's working on that and has already disabled the objects from technic in favor of those in pipeworks.
23:48 VanessaE you might wanna check the latest git of technic and see how it behaves :-)
23:48 Sh1fty that's the plan :)
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