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Kacey |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ98HvK4pvo |
| 00:01 |
Kacey |
for the lulz |
| 00:01 |
AshleyWaffle |
kaeza: agreed |
| 00:05 |
Kacey |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-E6EkOS-A huh |
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sapier |
kaeza that bug you were talking about does this mean any animation or only animations with keyframes for that bone? |
| 00:06 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza the player faces backwards |
| 00:11 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza can you fix it? |
| 00:16 |
Kacey |
bbiab |
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| 00:33 |
Kacey |
back |
| 00:34 |
Kacey |
any good mods i should download? |
| 00:34 |
marktraceur |
Kacey: Yes. |
| 00:34 |
NekoGloop |
glooptest. |
| 00:34 |
NekoGloop |
[/selfpromotion] |
| 00:34 |
Kacey |
marktraceur, what mods |
| 00:36 |
kaeza |
computer, irc, and firearms ^_^ |
| 00:36 |
kaeza |
oh and animplus |
| 00:37 |
Kacey |
useful mods (no offense kaeza lol) |
| 00:37 |
kaeza |
what's "useful"? |
| 00:37 |
marktraceur |
Kacey: Oh, there are plenty |
| 00:38 |
Kacey |
as in mesecons and the sort |
| 00:38 |
kaeza |
3dforniture, moreores, mesecons, technic |
| 00:38 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Do you has a link to animplus? |
| 00:38 |
kaeza |
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-animplus-0.1.0.zip |
| 00:38 |
Menche |
*self promotion* and desert_uses |
| 00:39 |
NekoGloop |
marktraceur: Grammar, where art thou? |
| 00:39 |
Menche |
cuz a pick made from red desert stone should be red |
| 00:39 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, also, a video demonstrating it: http://youtu.be/edzDAH6-WQU |
| 00:39 |
* marktraceur |
was hoping for a forum post but cool |
| 00:40 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop, NekoGloop, wherefore art thou NekoGloop? |
| 00:40 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Your software has no license. |
| 00:40 |
Kacey |
!up menche.servegame.com 30001 |
| 00:40 |
Minetest-tan |
menche.servegame.com:30001 seems to be down |
| 00:40 |
Kacey |
nope lol |
| 00:40 |
kaeza |
aw cr*p |
| 00:40 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Cool, though |
| 00:41 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: You might want to expand the name....I thought it had to do with animals |
| 00:41 |
Kacey |
Menche come on my server and check out my RAM units |
| 00:41 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, animationplus? |
| 00:41 |
marktraceur |
That'd do it |
| 00:41 |
Kacey |
67.190.14.129 port 30000 |
| 00:41 |
Kacey |
!up 67.190.14.129 |
| 00:41 |
Minetest-tan |
67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.317ms) |
| 00:42 |
Menche |
!up menche.servegame.com 30001 |
| 00:42 |
Minetest-tan |
menche.servegame.com:30001 is up (0.302ms) |
| 00:42 |
kaeza |
!up 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:42 |
Minetest-tan |
127.0.0.1:30000 is up (0.098ms) |
| 00:43 |
Kacey |
!up google.com |
| 00:43 |
Minetest-tan |
google.com:30000 seems to be down |
| 00:43 |
Kacey |
haha |
| 00:43 |
Kacey |
!commands |
| 00:43 |
Kacey |
!help |
| 00:43 |
VanessaE |
can you imagine if the googleplex was running a MT server. finally, no lag :D |
| 00:43 |
Kacey |
!g fail |
| 00:43 |
Minetest-tan |
Kacey: http://failblog.cheezburger.com/ |
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marktraceur |
!mode +q Kacey |
| 00:44 |
marktraceur |
Oh, damn, that command doesn't work |
| 00:44 |
Kacey |
what? |
| 00:44 |
marktraceur |
Guess I'll have to do it by hand if you DON'T QUIT ABUSING THE DAMN BOTS. |
| 00:44 |
Kacey |
i get bored like that |
| 00:44 |
NekoGloop |
!g chill pill |
| 00:44 |
Minetest-tan |
NekoGloop: https://cp.hammerheadcase.com/ |
| 00:45 |
* VanessaE |
hands marktraceur an @ |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 00:45 |
NekoGloop |
he already had it, no? |
| 00:45 |
* marktraceur |
already was +o, but thanks |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
well now he's doublepluso. ;-) |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
or I'm just too blind to notice :D |
| 00:45 |
marktraceur |
Eventually, I'll be +ooooo and everyone will be in awe of me |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 00:46 |
* Kacey |
is +q'ed |
| 00:47 |
marktraceur |
Kacey: No, you're not, but you will be if you continue behaving like a child. |
| 00:47 |
marktraceur |
No, child isn't accurate |
| 00:47 |
Kacey |
what i am sitting here right now working on my RAM |
| 00:48 |
marktraceur |
Kacey: That really doesn't matter to me. You repeatedly abuse the bots and I'm sick of it. |
| 00:48 |
* Kacey |
hides in a corner |
| 00:48 |
kaeza |
I'd say marktraceur should do a /mode +god marktraceur, but I'm not sure what the 'd' is |
| 00:49 |
NekoGloop |
Disapproving |
| 00:49 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: There doesn't appear to be one, but it wouldn't matter because I'm an atheist. Becoming god is illogical. |
| 00:49 |
marktraceur |
At the very least, I would cease to exist |
| 00:50 |
kaeza |
lol true forgot about that |
| 00:50 |
marktraceur |
I might take a good chunk of the Universe with me. |
| 00:50 |
NekoGloop |
<insert "look out, we got a badass over here" meme> |
| 00:50 |
kaeza |
NekoGloop, wrong, it's "watch out..." |
| 00:50 |
dsimon |
marktraceur, that doesn't quite follow |
| 00:51 |
dsimon |
being an atheist means that you think the count of things that currently exist that qualify as gods is 0 |
| 00:51 |
marktraceur |
Hm. |
| 00:51 |
dsimon |
not that the definition itself is impossible to meet |
| 00:51 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Actually, that's agnosticism |
| 00:52 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: I think it's impossible for anything supernatural to exist (so I usually call myself a naturalist, but atheist is more understood and was all I needed for this conversation until now) |
| 00:52 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: If I found myself having supernatural powers, I would be convinced that I was not real and choose to not exist |
| 00:52 |
dsimon |
... you would commit suicide because your epistemology was overturned? |
| 00:52 |
dsimon |
now that's philosophical stubborness right there |
| 00:53 |
* kaeza |
needs a dictionary |
| 00:53 |
NekoGloop |
He would simply not accept his own existance. |
| 00:53 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Not suicide, no. It would simply be allowing an illusion to fade, which is logical. |
| 00:53 |
NekoGloop |
Me, if that happened I would simply accept that I was incorrect. |
| 00:53 |
dsimon |
i'm with neko on this |
| 00:54 |
dsimon |
more generally, if there's a you there to make decisions, then that does at least exist |
| 00:54 |
dsimon |
"i think therefore i am" and all that |
| 00:54 |
* Kacey |
returns partially mad |
| 00:54 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: There is, I suppose, a loophole. If my omniscience allowed me to see some fundamental truth that allowed for these powers, I might let it go on. But then, the powers wouldn't be supernatural, because they would be explained by natural causes. |
| 00:54 |
dsimon |
marktraceur, so the supernatural is by definition that which cannot be explained? |
| 00:54 |
* NekoGloop |
puts a kitten on Kacey's head and tells him to calm the fuck down |
| 00:55 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Unless your existence is somehow contradictory to fundamental logic....and supernatural means that it operates outside of the natural world. |
| 00:55 |
Kacey |
i guy goes and makes the first RAM in minetest and yet nobody notices |
| 00:55 |
NekoGloop |
i guy uses i for 1 |
| 00:55 |
dsimon |
now 2 guy uses i for 1 |
| 00:55 |
NekoGloop |
Z guy |
| 00:55 |
dsimon |
Z guy! |
| 00:56 |
kaeza |
zzz guy |
| 00:56 |
Kacey |
but he talks to a bot a few times and it becomes a big deal |
| 00:56 |
dsimon |
marktraceur, ok, from another angle then: what definition of "natural" are you using? |
| 00:56 |
NekoGloop |
Natural: the normal or unaltered flow of events. (or similar) |
| 00:56 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Nature is a set of universal truths. Think basically maths, physics, and chemistry. |
| 00:57 |
NekoGloop |
Yeah, he used more complex words though. |
| 00:57 |
dsimon |
ok |
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| 00:57 |
dsimon |
so supernatural would be things that are either not universal or not true? |
| 00:57 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Supernatural is something that is not affected by normally-applicable truths. |
| 00:57 |
dsimon |
or a subset of that, since not-natural is a superset of supernatural |
| 00:57 |
kaeza |
this statement is a lie |
| 00:58 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: For example, ignoring physics or chemistry. |
| 00:58 |
NekoGloop |
kaeza just made the universe implode |
| 00:58 |
NekoGloop |
luckily we had a backup |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
The following statement is true. |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
The preceding statement is false. |
| 00:58 |
NekoGloop |
I am awes- dammit |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 00:58 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 00:59 |
dsimon |
marktraceur, so for example, a supernatural claim would be something like "gravity works everywhere except inside my restaurant"? |
| 00:59 |
NekoGloop |
Welcome to #minetest, where we question life, the universe, and everything. |
| 00:59 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Yes, if your restaurant had no gravity and there was no reason for it (like two equal and opposite gravitational forces), that would be supernatural. |
| 00:59 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: no, we question the *answer* to life, the universe, and everything. |
| 01:00 |
VanessaE |
jeez man, get with the program :) |
| 01:00 |
dsimon |
well, by "no reason" you mean that it contradicts the laws of physics? |
| 01:00 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Or is not explained by them |
| 01:00 |
NekoGloop |
And by extension, they themselves, VanessaE. |
| 01:00 |
dsimon |
ok |
| 01:00 |
dsimon |
well, suppose that tomorrow you find just such a restaurant |
| 01:00 |
marktraceur |
Right. |
| 01:00 |
dsimon |
and you along with a team of experts verify to a high degree of confidence that the claim is actually true |
| 01:01 |
kaeza |
NekoGloop, if a supernatural entity didn't exist, then where do the nodes come from? Atheists: 0, Christians: 0, Voxelians: 1 |
| 01:01 |
NekoGloop |
dsimon: conclusion: marktraceur's mind literally == blown |
| 01:01 |
NekoGloop |
;-) |
| 01:01 |
Exio |
i suppose tomorrow i will be a bird so today i will jump from the top of my house to the ground |
| 01:02 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: the universe is based on an outdated version of irrlicht, so most it had to be hacked together in Perl to make up the difference ;) |
| 01:02 |
dsimon |
exio, you should probably wait til tomorrow |
| 01:02 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: If that were the case, I would be certain that I was in the middle of an illusion of some sort. |
| 01:02 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: But not much else would come of it. |
| 01:02 |
Exio |
marktraceur: a dream! |
| 01:02 |
dsimon |
marktraceur, that's actually probably what i would think also |
| 01:02 |
kaeza |
Perl... that's why the syntax and grammar of most of us sucks |
| 01:02 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 01:03 |
VanessaE |
when you code with line noise, your creations are gonna sound like it ;) |
| 01:03 |
NekoGloop |
There are 42 lines of code that make up the human object |
| 01:03 |
marktraceur |
Exio: My favorite philosophical work is "A Dialogue on Personal Identity and Immortality" by John Perry, it has some things to say about that |
| 01:03 |
NekoGloop |
(see what i did there) |
| 01:03 |
marktraceur |
(about being a bird) |
| 01:03 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: What was your point? |
| 01:03 |
dsimon |
but that's beside the point, since the source of the illusion would itself have to be implemented by some sort of system of physics |
| 01:03 |
marktraceur |
This is true. |
| 01:03 |
dsimon |
(or if it's nested, then you maybe have to go up more steps, but same idea) |
| 01:04 |
marktraceur |
Well, wait. |
| 01:04 |
marktraceur |
It could also be created by me. |
| 01:04 |
dsimon |
yes |
| 01:04 |
marktraceur |
The dream hypothesis is a good one, for example. |
| 01:04 |
dsimon |
yah |
| 01:04 |
dsimon |
but then your dreaming self has to be implemented by something |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
so you're saying we're all in the matrix or something? :) |
| 01:05 |
dsimon |
and furthermore that something probably is mostly or entirely non-random, since otherwise it's pretty damn hard to see how you'd get a sane mind |
| 01:05 |
marktraceur |
Though if a team of experts and I could determine that there was _no_ cause for the lack of gravity, then we probably ruled out the possibility of a simulated universe. |
| 01:05 |
dsimon |
how so? |
| 01:05 |
Exio |
VanessaE: ssh, nobody knows that |
| 01:05 |
Exio |
nobody should know it, too |
| 01:05 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: In order to say that nothing explains the lack of gravity, we need to rule out any plausible options. A simulated universe is one such option. |
| 01:05 |
NekoGloop |
VanessaE: That is the most likely cause for the universe as we know it. |
| 01:06 |
marktraceur |
Actually, not even plausible. Possible. |
| 01:06 |
dsimon |
marktraceur, that's pretty much what i'm driving at |
| 01:06 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: in that case, we're gonna have to figure out how to port minetest to the real world. :) |
| 01:06 |
marktraceur |
I don't follow. |
| 01:06 |
VanessaE |
or the computers therein anyway |
| 01:06 |
NekoGloop |
However, the "matrix", as you put it, would need to have been created in a world where there are some kind of physics apply. |
| 01:06 |
dsimon |
if you find something REALLY weird, that doesn't mean your epistemology should just halt and catch fire |
| 01:07 |
dsimon |
you just figure that the base-level system of physics you're used to is actually not base-level but implemented in terms of something else |
| 01:07 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: But I was talking about a special case, not the general idea of weirdness. |
| 01:07 |
dsimon |
i think this applies to that situation as well |
| 01:07 |
kaeza |
dsimon, you clearly have not seen at the MT C++ code :) |
| 01:07 |
dsimon |
if you discovered that you were god (i.e. you woke up tomorrow and were omnipotent) |
| 01:07 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: If I were to suddenly find myself omnipotent, I would still be aware of the illusion, unless I found some reason for it. If I became of an illusion and were omnipotent, I would halt the illusion. |
| 01:08 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: If I simply found a supernatural restaurant, I would have insufficient power to halt anything. |
| 01:08 |
NekoGloop |
If someone could create fire by flicking their fingers, would you kill them to stop the inexplicible event? |
| 01:08 |
VanessaE |
I'd use that omnipotence to bring peace to the world, but that's just me. |
| 01:08 |
marktraceur |
became aware* |
| 01:08 |
dsimon |
if you became aware that you were an illusion, and halted that illusion |
| 01:08 |
dsimon |
i'm claiming that that's tantamount to suicide |
| 01:08 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Only if the illusion isn't an illusion, which I would know if I were omniscient. |
| 01:09 |
NekoGloop |
marktraceur: see my above comment |
| 01:09 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: It depends on a lot of factors and I'm in the middle of a different scenario |
| 01:09 |
dsimon |
marktraceur, what definition of "illusion" are you using? |
| 01:10 |
dsimon |
i think that's where i'm getting confused |
| 01:10 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Perceiving things incorrectly, or things that do not exist. |
| 01:10 |
marktraceur |
Hm, maybe not |
| 01:10 |
dsimon |
ok |
| 01:10 |
marktraceur |
Wait up, actually, that exposes some faults. |
| 01:10 |
dsimon |
this is shakier ground, but |
| 01:11 |
marktraceur |
Because whatever illusion I say "doesn't exist" actually does. |
| 01:11 |
dsimon |
i think that if you are aware of your own existence, then that existence cannot be illusory |
| 01:11 |
marktraceur |
It's true. |
| 01:11 |
marktraceur |
OK, your point is made, actually. |
| 01:11 |
dsimon |
ok, cool |
| 01:11 |
NekoGloop |
Illusion: Clouding of the mind or optical abilities to cause supernatural or abnormal events to be perceived. |
| 01:11 |
marktraceur |
If I were to wake up omnipotent, I would assume it was an illusion, but I would enjoy it regardless. |
| 01:11 |
VanessaE |
In other words, "I think, therefore I am." |
| 01:12 |
marktraceur |
This brings in a possible regression, actually. |
| 01:12 |
marktraceur |
If the illusion halts upon someone realizing that it's an illusion, then it would be impossible for me to continue using the illusion, because I'm omniscient, but possible for me to stop the illusion from halting, because I'm omnipotent. |
| 01:13 |
marktraceur |
A twist on the "if God is all-powerful it's possible for him to not know something, but he's also supposedly all-knowing" |
| 01:13 |
dsimon |
there must be at least one part of it that's not an illusion, though |
| 01:13 |
dsimon |
which is the part that's aware of itself making this decision |
| 01:13 |
NekoGloop |
Such as the part where he's sitting at home drunk, dsimon? |
| 01:13 |
dsimon |
or, scratch "making this decision" |
| 01:13 |
dsimon |
just the part that's aware of itself |
| 01:13 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Well, my consciousness is the only thing that must be real |
| 01:13 |
dsimon |
yah |
| 01:14 |
dsimon |
and if you halt the illusion, would that continue to exist? |
| 01:14 |
dsimon |
i was getting the impression you expected it not to, but that might be a misunderstanding |
| 01:14 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Presumably the concept would exist, but the illusion itself would be gone. If I continued to be omnipotent for some reason, then I would be able to resume it. |
| 01:15 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Though actually, now that I think about it, I wouldn't be omnipotent |
| 01:15 |
dsimon |
or create a new one |
| 01:15 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: If I were omnipotent, I would be aware of the illusion and able to affect the outside world somehow. |
| 01:15 |
dsimon |
yeah |
| 01:15 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: But that wouldn't make any sense, because then I would be omnipotent outside the illusion, making that world an illusion also. |
| 01:15 |
dsimon |
let's back down from "omnipotent" then, that word is always troublesome anyways |
| 01:16 |
dsimon |
er, wait, what? |
| 01:16 |
marktraceur |
Especially when people pronounce it "om-nee-POH-tent" |
| 01:16 |
dsimon |
are you saying that being omnipotent in a universe implies that that universe is an illusion? |
| 01:16 |
dsimon |
(and here i am not letting that word drop...) |
| 01:16 |
NekoGloop |
om-ni-poh-TENT |
| 01:16 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: I'm saying that it *requires* that the universe is an illusion. |
| 01:17 |
dsimon |
hm |
| 01:17 |
dsimon |
ok |
| 01:17 |
dsimon |
so suppose we're talking about the matrix |
| 01:17 |
dsimon |
do the contents of the matrix exist? |
| 01:18 |
dsimon |
actually, let's say it's an improved matrix |
| 01:18 |
dsimon |
no brains in jars, the people are just purely software, but they're still self-aware |
| 01:18 |
marktraceur |
They exist, yes. |
| 01:18 |
marktraceur |
Or at least, I exist, assuming that I'm part of this worlfd. |
| 01:18 |
marktraceur |
world* |
| 01:18 |
dsimon |
yeah |
| 01:18 |
marktraceur |
Hm, we should take this somewhere else |
| 01:19 |
dsimon |
well, this is the chatter room |
| 01:19 |
marktraceur |
##philosophy-of-minetest |
| 01:19 |
dsimon |
but actually, i think i'm done at this point |
| 01:19 |
Exio |
i think the channel is right |
| 01:19 |
marktraceur |
Oh, K |
| 01:20 |
dsimon |
assuming we're in agreement that conscious beings must exist or else they're not conscious, then that was all i was getting at |
| 01:20 |
marktraceur |
dsimon: Thanks mate, fun times. |
| 01:20 |
dsimon |
np |
| 01:22 |
* kaeza |
is going to do 2 shitty posts and then the big 500th one |
| 01:22 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: That's the....spirit? |
| 01:23 |
* VanessaE |
readies the [Delete Post] button........ :D |
| 01:23 |
Exio |
big 500th one == sending 10 USD to every mt user? >:D |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
I could use $10 for sure :D |
| 01:24 |
kaeza |
maybe I'll post in one of Exio's posts... |
| 01:24 |
kaeza |
oh wait! he has none! :D |
| 01:25 |
Exio |
i don't have anything non-crap to post |
| 01:25 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: you could always add something to the moretrees thread to help improve its visibility :D |
| 01:25 |
kaeza |
"*BUMP*" -- Kaeza |
| 01:26 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 01:28 |
NekoGloop |
That is the most intelligent thing I've heard all day. |
| 01:28 |
NekoGloop |
Shows how much I've been paying attention when people are talking. |
| 01:29 |
kaeza |
lol check the 2 posts that follow: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66593#p66593 |
| 01:30 |
* Kacey |
returns still mad |
| 01:31 |
kaeza |
hmm... seems sfan5's crawler didn't see one of my mods |
| 01:48 |
Kacey |
ok im over it for the most part |
| 01:50 |
Kacey |
kaeza, want to see my RAM units? |
| 01:51 |
* NekoGloop |
puts a kitten on kaeza |
| 01:52 |
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| 01:54 |
* NekoGloop |
puts a kitten on Menche's other computer |
| 01:54 |
Menche |
a;jowiefjwoiqOWE |
| 01:55 |
* Menche |
takes the kitten off his computer |
| 01:56 |
* Kacey |
walks over to OldCoder's pile |
| 01:56 |
* Kacey |
jumps in |
| 01:57 |
* Menche |
spawns 10,000 kittens |
| 01:57 |
* Menche |
uses a can opener next to Kacey then runs |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
damn it Menche use less drastic abms. |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
10,000 in one shot is gonna cause serious lag. |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 01:57 |
Kacey |
laa-aa-aa-aa-aa-aa-aa la-a-aaa-aa-aa-aa-aa |
| 01:58 |
Kacey |
lag |
| 01:58 |
Kacey |
what? |
| 02:00 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, can you take a look at this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66662#p66662 |
| 02:01 |
VanessaE |
shall I ban? |
| 02:01 |
kaeza |
dunno, you are the mod |
| 02:01 |
NekoGloop |
At least they haven't started using jeff the killer avatars |
| 02:01 |
kaeza |
s/the/a/ |
| 02:01 |
Menche |
wow |
| 02:01 |
NekoGloop |
Don't look it up, if you want to sleep tonight. |
| 02:02 |
kaeza |
NekoGloop, IKR |
| 02:02 |
* Kacey |
has to look it up |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
Abrasive language deleted. |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
he does it again and he's banned. |
| 02:03 |
Kacey |
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/065/2/4/jeff_the_killer___creepypasta_by_marceloryuuku-d4rydzb.jpg |
| 02:03 |
NekoGloop |
aaaaaaaaaahahahah... |
| 02:03 |
Kacey |
he is cute |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
oy. |
| 02:04 |
* VanessaE |
gets the eye bleach |
| 02:04 |
NekoGloop |
Good thing I can't use mibbit here, embedded images and all... >.> |
| 02:05 |
NekoGloop |
Kacey is one twisted son of a bitch. |
| 02:05 |
Kacey |
@,,,@ |
| 02:05 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, thanks :) |
| 02:06 |
* Kacey |
drinks the bleach |
| 02:06 |
NekoGloop |
Dat smile... *shudders* |
| 02:07 |
Kacey |
go to sleep |
| 02:07 |
Kacey |
*trollface* |
| 02:07 |
NekoGloop |
lol, it's only bad if i actually LOOKED at the image |
| 02:08 |
NekoGloop |
I can read links before clicking on them, y'know. |
| 02:08 |
NekoGloop |
inb4 tinyurl. |
| 02:09 |
NekoGloop |
personally, merely linking to that image should be an immediate and outright ban. |
| 02:10 |
NekoGloop |
It actually is, in a few places. |
| 02:11 |
NekoGloop |
On account of "trolling" and/or "user harrassment" |
| 02:12 |
kaeza |
is there a service that does the inverse of shadyurl? lol |
| 02:12 |
kaeza |
I mean, give away pretty links |
| 02:13 |
Kacey |
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24232776.jpg |
| 02:13 |
NekoGloop |
No. |
| 02:14 |
NekoGloop |
It's pretty easy to tell you put jeff's image under text that says "GO TO SLEEP" |
| 02:14 |
Kacey |
no it is different |
| 02:14 |
NekoGloop |
Seeing as this is pretty much outrught trolling now, can we have +q, VanessaE? |
| 02:14 |
Kacey |
creepier in fact |
| 02:14 |
VanessaE |
huh what? |
| 02:14 |
VanessaE |
sorry, wasn't paying attention |
| 02:15 |
NekoGloop |
on Kacey. |
| 02:15 |
NekoGloop |
outright, even. |
| 02:15 |
VanessaE |
Kacey: enough with the shock sites. |
| 02:16 |
Kacey |
http://stuffpoint.com/kittens/image/150748-kittens-cute-kitten.jpg sowwy |
| 02:16 |
NekoGloop |
Still not clicking. |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
actually that one is really cute |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
a little white and brown kitten playing with a houseplant |
| 02:17 |
NekoGloop |
I, honestly, stopped clicking all his links a month ago. |
| 02:18 |
Kacey |
would a link that says cute kitten be a scary picture (unless you are absolutely terrified of kittens) |
| 02:19 |
NekoGloop |
You could have named it differently before uploading it |
| 02:19 |
dsimon |
because files are never mislabelled on the internet |
| 02:19 |
VanessaE |
Kacey: it is impossible to know what's on the other side of a link. it could just as well have been goatse. |
| 02:19 |
NekoGloop |
Because slenderman. |
| 02:19 |
Kacey |
idea |
| 02:19 |
VanessaE |
Kacey: already been tried. |
| 02:19 |
Kacey |
but i wont do it to you guys |
| 02:19 |
VanessaE |
moltenbot. |
| 02:20 |
NekoGloop |
If we only had had a SINGLE bot to do that, then we wouldn't have had a problem. |
| 02:21 |
NekoGloop |
But nooooooo, we had to have two of them do the same goddamn thing. |
| 02:21 |
kaeza |
http://cheezburger.com/7010845184 |
| 02:21 |
VanessaE |
yup. |
| 02:31 |
Kacey |
you must be careful... |
| 02:31 |
NekoGloop |
Was anyone brave enough to click the memegenerator link? what's it say? |
| 02:32 |
* Menche |
would if others were'nt looking at his screen |
| 02:32 |
NekoGloop |
Ha. |
| 02:33 |
NekoGloop |
It's fairly safe to say it's jeffie. |
| 02:34 |
NekoGloop |
random song to put my mind to ease: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMSL2X3rGPI |
| 02:34 |
hmmmm |
we're going to jeffie's house! |
| 02:35 |
NekoGloop |
OH HELL NAW. |
| 02:35 |
hmmmm |
damn you crazy boy, jeffie is a garden hose. </meatwad> |
| 02:35 |
Kacey |
ooh i want to go |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
<voice="Gabriel Iglesias">[siren effect] Jeffie, this is the police. We have your father and are coming back for you in one hour. Do your homework.</voice> |
| 02:37 |
Kacey |
hhaha |
| 02:37 |
NekoGloop |
I don't understand that reference... |
| 02:37 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: it's from one of his Comedy Central specials. |
| 02:38 |
NekoGloop |
I don't watch comedy central :) |
| 02:38 |
VanessaE |
DVD/Blu_Ray of course. I forget which one ("I'm Not Fat, I'm Fluffy" or "Hot and Fluffy") |
| 02:38 |
VanessaE |
look those up. buy 'em. laugh your ASS off. |
| 02:39 |
NekoGloop |
Autonomous Stupidity Service? |
| 02:39 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 02:39 |
VanessaE |
Anterior Soft Section |
| 02:39 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 02:40 |
dsimon |
heh |
| 02:40 |
NekoGloop |
lol |
| 02:43 |
Kacey |
donkey? |
| 02:44 |
NekoGloop |
Stop being a donkey, Kacey. |
| 02:44 |
Kacey |
yep im a jackass |
| 02:45 |
Kacey |
i love me |
| 02:49 |
Kacey |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_XGxzMrq04 dont mine at nigh video |
| 02:50 |
NekoGloop |
Not clicking. |
| 02:50 |
kaeza |
Kacey, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ |
| 02:51 |
kaeza |
that's my new version of the moving heads |
| 02:51 |
NekoGloop |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaAdskhtspA |
| 02:52 |
Kacey |
i have that on my phone lol |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
lol...the good old rickroll is still going stong I see :) |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
strong* |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: looks almost like a mouse-driven equivalent to DDR or so |
| 02:54 |
Kacey |
haha try 5 of your moving heads |
| 02:55 |
NekoGloop |
VanessaE: Click the circles. |
| 02:55 |
NekoGloop |
It's a hell of a lot harder than it looks. |
| 02:55 |
VanessaE |
I'll bet. |
| 02:55 |
NekoGloop |
It's like entirely unforgiving with the accuraccy. |
| 02:56 |
Kacey |
night all |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
nigh |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
t |
| 02:56 |
Kacey |
one last thing |
| 02:56 |
Kacey |
"go to sleep" |
| 03:01 |
NekoGloop |
K, go to sleep then. |
| 03:01 |
VanessaE |
no. :)( |
| 03:01 |
NekoGloop |
Indeed. |
| 03:03 |
NekoGloop |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj6Y2l3KOjs Back to the music to set my mind at ease |
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* VanessaE |
pokes jojoa1997 |
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* jojoa1997 |
pokes VanessaE |
| 03:06 |
* NekoGloop |
kicks RPG Maker 2003 |
| 03:06 |
NekoGloop |
Get your shit together! |
| 03:06 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 03:06 |
jojoa1997 |
... |
| 03:06 |
NekoGloop |
I'd also like to kick the person who made the character sets that i'm using |
| 03:06 |
NekoGloop |
Apparently I can't have a female pirate. |
| 03:07 |
jojoa1997 |
what character sets? |
| 03:07 |
kaeza |
NekoGloop, why not use default ones? |
| 03:07 |
NekoGloop |
First Seed Material |
| 03:07 |
kaeza |
inb4 overused |
| 03:07 |
NekoGloop |
kaeza: That and I just don't like them. |
| 03:07 |
* jojoa1997 |
wha zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: of course not, she'd be a wench then :-) |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
or something. |
| 03:08 |
kaeza |
</badjoke> |
| 03:08 |
NekoGloop |
VanessaE: BUT I ALREADY HAD A FEMALE PIRATE IN MY STORYLINE DD: |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
sowwy |
| 03:08 |
jojoa1997 |
what this for? |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
I'm sure you can figure out a solution :-) |
| 03:09 |
NekoGloop |
like use this one that isn't particularly masculine |
| 03:09 |
VanessaE |
I was thinking more like change your storyline to focus on a different sort of female character. |
| 03:09 |
NekoGloop |
Well she's not exactly feminine either ;-) |
| 03:10 |
VanessaE |
ok so make her a biker bitch then :) |
| 03:10 |
NekoGloop |
lol |
| 03:10 |
VanessaE |
or something |
| 03:10 |
NekoGloop |
I don't have that either. |
| 03:10 |
NekoGloop |
And the character would be the method that you can travel the oceans. |
| 03:10 |
NekoGloop |
You'd obtain a ship and the character at the same time. |
| 03:10 |
kaeza |
NekoGloop, what about your amazing artistic talents? |
| 03:11 |
NekoGloop |
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA |
| 03:11 |
NekoGloop |
AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:11 |
NekoGloop |
Nice one. |
| 03:12 |
kaeza |
just take the charset as base, edit it a bit, and you have your very own creations |
| 03:12 |
NekoGloop |
http://www.tekepon.net/fsm/modules/refmap/index.php?mode=chara MY horribad artistic skills on these marvellous perfections?! |
| 03:12 |
kaeza |
do you think all games create the sprites from scratch? |
| 03:13 |
NekoGloop |
(press the english button in the topright corner) |
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* NekoGloop |
has quit (Quit: GTFO) |
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kaeza |
those seem pretty cool |
| 03:15 |
NekoGloop |
kaeza: They ARE. |
| 03:15 |
kaeza |
wat |
| 03:15 |
NekoGloop |
hm? |
| 03:15 |
NekoGloop |
;) |
| 03:16 |
kaeza |
lol I fell for that one |
| 03:16 |
NekoGloop |
I'm gooooood ;-) |
| 03:19 |
kaeza |
hey! your new textures for the default game were not bad at all |
| 03:19 |
kaeza |
just go for it boy (...girl?) |
| 03:19 |
NekoGloop |
I'm whichever one you call me. |
| 03:19 |
NekoGloop |
;) |
| 03:21 |
NekoGloop |
And those were very simple edits on a very simple (A WHOLE 3 COLOR) sprite. |
| 03:26 |
NekoGloop |
Now, if only finding the BattleCharaSet sprites in this folder were easy. |
| 03:26 |
NekoGloop |
http://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/10710/?post=356016#post356016 This person didn't make it easy to find them. |
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* NekoGloop |
puts a kitten on Menche's head |
| 03:29 |
* Menche |
takes kitten off |
| 03:29 |
Menche |
a;jwio3fjawiojfo23ajwofie;aosidjf4i |
| 03:29 |
* Menche |
takes kitten off of keyboard |
| 03:30 |
NekoGloop |
lol |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
haha |
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VanessaE |
bored... |
| 04:02 |
NekoGloop |
(╯°□°）╯︵ â”»â”â”») |
| 04:02 |
* VanessaE |
rights the affected table. |
| 04:03 |
NekoGloop |
(╯°□°）╯︵ â”»â”â”») |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
ok, that's 10 seconds. now what? |
| 04:03 |
NekoGloop |
:D |
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* NekoGloop |
has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 04:06 |
NekoGloop |
︵ is a lego block on my screen |
| 04:07 |
Menche |
its an upward curve on mine |
| 04:07 |
NekoGloop |
only cause I don't have pretty character support. |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
upwards curve on mine also. |
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Menche |
yay UTF-8! |
| 04:08 |
* jojoa1997 |
pokes everyone |
| 04:08 |
* Menche |
blocks poke |
| 04:08 |
* VanessaE |
puts a kitten on jojoa1997's head |
| 04:08 |
* jojoa1997 |
snuggles with kitten\ |
| 04:09 |
* jojoa1997 |
purrs |
| 04:09 |
* kaeza |
posts random sh*t on the forums to increase post count |
| 04:09 |
* NekoGloop |
plays Clinging Mists to prevent combat damage from the poke |
| 04:09 |
NekoGloop |
Magic: The Gathering obscure-ass reference ftw. |
| 04:10 |
* jojoa1997 |
didnt realize how much he posts |
| 04:10 |
* jojoa1997 |
has more than VanessaE |
| 04:10 |
NekoGloop |
Like hell you didn't. |
| 04:10 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 04:10 |
NekoGloop |
You're spamming one-line posts all over. |
| 04:10 |
kaeza |
30 posts/day almost |
| 04:10 |
NekoGloop |
Some are bragging about post count... |
| 04:10 |
jojoa1997 |
first of all |
| 04:11 |
jojoa1997 |
some of them are answers that dont need paragraphs |
| 04:11 |
jojoa1997 |
second |
| 04:11 |
jojoa1997 |
sometimes i accidentally post twice and delete |
| 04:11 |
Menche |
sometimes I accidentally hit "reply" rather than "edit" |
| 04:11 |
jojoa1997 |
well alot acually stupid internet with its slow connection |
| 04:12 |
Menche |
the location of the buttons was changed |
| 04:12 |
NekoGloop |
Third, you spam the forum with entirely unneccessary posts. |
| 04:12 |
* Menche |
doesn't like posts that just say "+1" |
| 04:12 |
kaeza |
jojoa1997, you will accidentally the forum |
| 04:12 |
Menche |
they're kinda pointless |
| 04:12 |
NekoGloop |
Yeah, at least quote something to +1 at... |
| 04:12 |
kaeza |
Menche, +1 |
| 04:12 |
Menche |
and are banned on some forums |
| 04:12 |
Menche |
lo |
| 04:12 |
Menche |
lolk |
| 04:12 |
kaeza |
C wut I did thur? |
| 04:12 |
Menche |
*lol |
| 04:12 |
* Menche |
can't type |
| 04:12 |
* NekoGloop |
can't internet. |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
I have 1131 legit posts. S :P |
| 04:14 |
jojoa1997 |
btw i am trying to post less |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
when I hit 1337, I'm leaving the forums for a day or two just to let it sit there ;) |
| 04:14 |
NekoGloop |
I have 1337 totally legit posts. |
| 04:14 |
NekoGloop |
ffffff-- |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: ninja'd again :D |
| 04:14 |
Menche |
i think i've been on the forum longer and i have only 702 |
| 04:15 |
jojoa1997 |
ii know i have stopped myself from posting about 20 times today |
| 04:15 |
Menche |
celeron himself only has 303 |
| 04:15 |
jojoa1997 |
yeah but how much time do you spend watching the forums |
| 04:16 |
* jojoa1997 |
is leaving |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 04:16 |
gone |
fail |
| 04:16 |
NekoGloop |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIilcuF-6kE |
| 04:17 |
kaeza |
learn from the GloopMaster |
| 04:17 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza do you have any ideas to add to firearms like maybe having guns need ammo to shoot |
| 04:18 |
NekoGloop |
Who has like 303 posts or some shit like that. |
| 04:18 |
NekoGloop |
241 |
| 04:18 |
kaeza |
NekoGloop, I meant about the /me has quit |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
what can I say, I'm an obsessive blabbermouth on the forums :) |
| 04:18 |
* jojoa1997 |
deletes all his posts |
| 04:18 |
* NekoGloop |
has quit (kaeza) |
| 04:18 |
jojoa1997 |
but still keeps the number |
| 04:18 |
kaeza |
jojoa1997 has accidentally teh forumz!! |
| 04:18 |
jojoa1997 |
just to repost and double it |
| 04:19 |
jojoa1997 |
what that mean |
| 04:19 |
jojoa1997 |
and also i have been home for the last 5 weeks on vacation/sick so i have time |
| 04:20 |
kaeza |
that was real |
| 04:20 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 04:21 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, not just on the forums :D |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
this is the part where celeron55 is supposed to chime in with some snarky comment :_) |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 04:21 |
jojoa1997 |
Americans are blabber mouths |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: yep, every last one of them. |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 04:22 |
hmmmm |
stupid americans |
| 04:22 |
hmmmm |
they're all obese and eat hamburgers and they're loud and obnoxious |
| 04:22 |
jojoa1997 |
smart and talkative americans |
| 04:22 |
kaeza |
I'm SOUTH american, |
| 04:22 |
hmmmm |
smart? |
| 04:22 |
jojoa1997 |
fine |
| 04:22 |
jojoa1997 |
USAians |
| 04:25 |
jojoa1997 |
cricket cricket cricket cricket |
| 04:27 |
kaeza |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket |
| 04:27 |
* Menche |
runs /clearobjects and gets rid of all the crickets |
| 04:28 |
jojoa1997 |
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1366&bih=653&tbm=isch&q=cricket+bug&revid=2061437350&sa=X&ei=bP4FUamxCKaW0QHGsoHACQ&ved=0CJIBEIMW |
| 04:29 |
kaeza |
silly, bugs don't play cricket! |
| 04:29 |
kaeza |
trollolol |
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kaeza |
NekoGloop, enjoying auto-identify? |
| 04:31 |
NekoGloop |
BY THE ALMIGHTY POWER INVESTED IN MY IPAD BY WIFI I WILL JOIN FREENODE DAMMIT. |
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jojoa1997 |
hate when i press the x |
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kaeza |
well... |
| 04:36 |
kaeza |
are you in or not jojoa1997 ? |
| 04:36 |
jojoa1997 |
joinin what |
| 04:36 |
kaeza |
duh |
| 04:36 |
jojoa1997 |
in hunger games yes |
| 04:36 |
jojoa1997 |
i am waiting with bearbar123 |
| 04:37 |
kaeza |
I'll be destroying someone's house in the meantime ok? |
| 04:37 |
jojoa1997 |
are you going to join us |
| 04:38 |
kaeza |
oh very original...a creeper... |
| 04:38 |
jojoa1997 |
will you come to the hunger games? |
| 04:38 |
kaeza |
... |
| 04:39 |
jojoa1997 |
what do you mean creeper |
| 04:39 |
kaeza |
I'm in duh |
| 04:39 |
jojoa1997 |
no |
| 04:39 |
jojoa1997 |
0gb.us 30002 |
| 04:39 |
jojoa1997 |
that one? |
| 04:40 |
kaeza |
yup |
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VanessaE |
zzz |
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* NekoGloop |
wakes up VanessaE |
| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
bleh |
| 05:16 |
* VanessaE |
throws almonds at NekoGloop |
| 05:16 |
* NekoGloop |
om nom nom |
| 05:16 |
VanessaE |
hehe |
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VanessaE |
These are Blue Diamond "sea" salt "natural" variety. |
| 05:17 |
VanessaE |
quite good. |
| 05:23 |
kaeza |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66741#p66741 |
| 05:24 |
kaeza |
^_^ |
| 05:24 |
VanessaE |
:D |
| 05:24 |
VanessaE |
"somewhat" standardized? :P |
| 05:24 |
kaeza |
oh |
| 05:24 |
kaeza |
lol |
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* kaeza |
phailed |
| 05:25 |
VanessaE |
and thanks :) |
| 05:26 |
kaeza |
ok is that better? :P |
| 05:26 |
kaeza |
yw :P |
| 05:26 |
VanessaE |
:D |
| 05:27 |
kaeza |
good gosh edits don't count as posts :P |
| 05:27 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 05:28 |
kaeza |
(I'd prolly surpass jojoa if they did lol) |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
hahaha |
| 05:29 |
VanessaE |
in that case I'd beat out Jordach by about 10x :) |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
I'm almost never satisfied with the content of my posts, even days later I might spot something that's just "wrong" :) |
| 05:31 |
kaeza |
hah |
| 05:47 |
OldCoder |
Howdy |
| 05:47 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, PM |
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NekoGloop |
I want pie. |
| 05:51 |
* VanessaE |
hands NekoGloop a card reading "3.14159265" |
| 05:52 |
NekoGloop |
I got the same thing in both the channels i said that in. |
| 05:52 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 05:52 |
NekoGloop |
A card with exactly those digits of pi. |
| 05:52 |
NekoGloop |
Granted, it was thrown at me in the other one. |
| 05:52 |
VanessaE |
that's because I can't remember it consistently past that point :-) |
| 05:53 |
VanessaE |
as for the other person. heh |
| 06:01 |
kaeza |
lol somebody didn't get the joke http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66621#p66621 |
| 06:01 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 06:02 |
kaeza |
or...is Likwid trolling back? O.o |
| 06:09 |
* VanessaE |
shrugs |
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NekoGloop |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye4ZFA5OtKI holy shit 200 voices |
| 06:13 |
NekoGloop |
If you hear this many voices, you seriously need to see a professional. |
| 06:17 |
VanessaE |
ok, time for me to head to bed. |
| 06:17 |
VanessaE |
night |
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kaeza |
night V |
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thexyz |
meanwhile in russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuOuowxunJE |
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kaeza |
thexyz, you here? |
| 10:15 |
kaeza |
or for that matter, any other forum mod? |
| 10:15 |
kaeza |
SPAM: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66773#p66773 |
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thexyz |
yep |
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kaeza |
ok thanks! |
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kaeza |
^_^ |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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kaeza |
'ey |
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berome |
hello kaeza |
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kaeza |
lol I just love how people say "The mod is broken" and expects one to read their minds to find what is the actual error |
| 11:03 |
PilzAdam |
are you talking about the post in the beds mod topic? |
| 11:03 |
kaeza |
that and a lot more topics |
| 11:04 |
kaeza |
like that "guillesomething" guy posting just "lua error" everywhere |
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kaeza |
Taoki, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edzDAH6-WQU |
| 11:23 |
Taoki |
kaeza: Oh my! But how? |
| 11:23 |
kaeza |
Manual animation |
| 11:23 |
Taoki |
Did the issue with bone rotations in LUA get fixed with latest Irrlicht? |
| 11:23 |
kaeza |
purely in Lua |
| 11:23 |
Taoki |
Yes, I added that myself. But it was broken with latest Irrlicht |
| 11:24 |
kaeza |
I mean, all the bones are animated manually |
| 11:25 |
kaeza |
but now I hit another prob |
| 11:25 |
Taoki |
Yeah. But are you using the UA functions that were already there? |
| 11:25 |
kaeza |
yup |
| 11:25 |
kaeza |
based off player.lua |
| 11:25 |
Taoki |
Good. It means they were fixed in Irrlicht. I added them there for when they would work :) |
| 11:25 |
Taoki |
Does animation blending work as well? that was the second thing that had problems |
| 11:26 |
kaeza |
nope |
| 11:26 |
kaeza |
:/ |
| 11:26 |
Taoki |
ok. So it still breaks animation right? |
| 11:26 |
Taoki |
If you set it to anything other than 0 |
| 11:26 |
kaeza |
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-animplus-0.1.0.zip |
| 11:27 |
kaeza |
WTFPL |
| 11:27 |
kaeza |
or whatever the original player.lua is released as |
| 11:27 |
Taoki |
Sure. I'll try it soon. Feel free to add it to git too if you wish, if not I can do that |
| 11:27 |
kaeza |
unfortunately, it consumes too much bandwidth |
| 11:28 |
Taoki |
Yeah, updates need to be sent more rarely |
| 11:28 |
kaeza |
peaked at ~150KBps on VE server |
| 11:28 |
Taoki |
Can you add a customizable timer in the script? |
| 11:28 |
kaeza |
yeah |
| 11:29 |
Taoki |
Ok, that would help a lot. Can default it to 0.1 and it wouldn't be a very big difference visually. |
| 11:32 |
kaeza |
gonna test now with 0.1 |
| 11:37 |
kaeza |
hmm |
| 11:38 |
kaeza |
01 seems to work fine, albeit a bit too jerky |
| 11:38 |
kaeza |
0.1* |
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kaeza |
0.2 seems to also work well |
| 11:49 |
Taoki |
0.1 sounds right to me |
| 11:49 |
Taoki |
kaeza: Also: Can you add a check to only update it if the bone rotation has changed? So it doesn't send it for idle players too |
| 11:49 |
Taoki |
Actually... that's something I should be doing in the code |
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| 11:50 |
kaeza |
working on it |
| 11:50 |
Taoki |
Thanks |
| 11:52 |
Taoki |
Might do it in the code later, so until then a check in LUA would be good. Add a comment too please, saying "TODO: Prevent sanding unchanged rotations in the code instead" or something like that |
| 11:52 |
Taoki |
Or amybe not... only if you want to. That part doesn't matter :P |
| 11:52 |
Taoki |
**sending |
| 11:58 |
Taoki |
kaeza: Nah... this is best done un LUA really, for now at least. So please add a limiter there, to eg: Only update the rotation once the mouse is moved. You could check if the rotation value itself changed, but if you can make it so the line only runs when when someone turns the mouse or YAW itself changes, that would be great |
| 11:59 |
kaeza |
done |
| 11:59 |
Taoki |
Might have to do some tweaks myself to make sure it matches everything else there, but I'm not that good at LUA yet |
| 11:59 |
kaeza |
for now, idle players do not get updated |
| 11:59 |
Taoki |
yay. Send me the script file if you wish (no need to make it a zip, you can pastebin it |
| 11:59 |
kaeza |
and head bone is only rotated on pitch change |
| 11:59 |
Taoki |
excellent :) |
| 11:59 |
Taoki |
Great work, thanks for making this |
| 12:00 |
kaeza |
ok |
| 12:00 |
Taoki |
Pastebin the script and I can take care of the rest |
| 12:00 |
kaeza |
gimme a sec |
| 12:00 |
kaeza |
don't blame me about the mess that is my code :P |
| 12:00 |
Taoki |
np |
| 12:00 |
Taoki |
Erm... I wonder if I can test it though. Irrlicht is still the same version for me, so I might still see broken animations |
| 12:01 |
kaeza |
http://pastebin.com/znFQDyQS |
| 12:01 |
Taoki |
I have Irrlicht 1.8. I assume you use 1.9 |
| 12:01 |
kaeza |
nope |
| 12:01 |
kaeza |
I only use set_bone_position() |
| 12:02 |
Taoki |
What's your exact version of Irrlicht? |
| 12:02 |
kaeza |
1.7.2 |
| 12:03 |
Taoki |
Ah. Maybe it GOT broken in 1.8 |
| 12:03 |
Taoki |
Any chance you could compile MT with 1.8? |
| 12:03 |
Exio |
i'm using 1.8 |
| 12:03 |
Taoki |
Exio: Please test kaeza's script then, just to be sure |
| 12:04 |
Taoki |
If it is indeed an 1.8 issue, I'll do some tweaks then I'll send you the updated script to test if if that's ok, kaeza. Since you have 1.7 |
| 12:04 |
kaeza |
it needs the b3d model |
| 12:04 |
Taoki |
b3d model? |
| 12:05 |
kaeza |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/100 |
| 12:05 |
Taoki |
Ah. That's no good kinda.. x was better |
| 12:05 |
Taoki |
Are animations the same and everything else? |
| 12:06 |
Taoki |
Also, how do you export b3d from Blender? For me it wouldn't work |
| 12:06 |
Taoki |
x was a slo a text format, those are usually better |
| 12:07 |
kaeza |
yeah, but this is what happens using the .x model http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTk8ktb466g |
| 12:07 |
Taoki |
Yes, that's the Irrlicht issue I kept mentioning |
| 12:07 |
Taoki |
It's because Irrlicht has a problem |
| 12:08 |
kaeza |
I just user the model from sapier's commit. dunno about how he converted it |
| 12:08 |
kaeza |
used* |
| 12:09 |
kaeza |
Exio, This is a direct link to the model used: https://github.com/sapier/minetest_game/raw/9539636d16e5af2e6ffdff4259fe2b43a1a97b3b/mods/default/models/character.b3d |
| 12:10 |
kaeza |
just put it in a "models" dir to have it transferred |
| 12:10 |
kaeza |
(used by the game) |
| 12:11 |
Exio |
well, what i need to do is just placing it in my default folder and then place the script where? replace the player.lua in default? |
| 12:11 |
Taoki |
kaeza: So with the b3d model, animation blending still doesn't work? What happens if you enable it? |
| 12:12 |
kaeza |
I guess it wouldn't work, but lemme try |
| 12:13 |
kaeza |
how do I "enable it"? |
| 12:13 |
Taoki |
kaeza: There should be a function for animation blending, I'll look in a minute |
| 12:14 |
Taoki |
Also, please see my comment here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/100 |
| 12:17 |
Taoki |
But the b3d model is good for testing this |
| 12:17 |
kaeza |
I agree with that. This is more of an experiment than an actual mod/fix/whatever. |
| 12:18 |
Taoki |
Yeah. So it shouldn't be a pull request really |
| 12:19 |
kaeza |
I didn't intend to do a pull request from this one. I planned to post this in the forums just because. |
| 12:20 |
kaeza |
Actually, I was a bit bored when I made this :P |
| 12:22 |
Taoki |
Yeah, Sapier made the pull request |
| 12:22 |
Taoki |
I'll look for that function now |
| 12:22 |
kaeza |
also, the main goal of sapier's pull request was to make a smaller file |
| 12:22 |
kaeza |
(and because apparently the b3d format is more flexible) |
| 12:23 |
Taoki |
kaeza: Ahhh. Your script has a major problem though. You replaced all animations with LUA coded ones |
| 12:23 |
kaeza |
that's what I was trying to tell you all the time :P |
| 12:23 |
Taoki |
That's really not a good thing IMO. General animations should stay as they are. Only the head bone should be coded |
| 12:23 |
Taoki |
yeah. In that case it's not a good thing I believe |
| 12:24 |
Taoki |
kaeza: Is it possible to only thance the head bone? |
| 12:24 |
Taoki |
**change |
| 12:24 |
kaeza |
not really, due to the bug |
| 12:24 |
Taoki |
right. Best to wait until Irrlicht 1.9 then |
| 12:25 |
Taoki |
The patch you made is good as a test, but not ready this way |
| 12:26 |
Taoki |
To be sure, I'll post a bug report on the Irrlicht bugtracker directly, and link your videos too as an example |
| 12:26 |
kaeza |
as I said, I did not do it to be included in main game, it was just out of boredom, so yeah. |
| 12:27 |
Taoki |
yeah. The feature will be included... just when it can be done correctly |
| 12:27 |
Taoki |
But it is a nice test :) |
| 12:27 |
kaeza |
k :) |
| 12:28 |
kaeza |
I wonder... |
| 12:28 |
kaeza |
just how old is Irrlicht? |
| 12:28 |
kaeza |
cause some major games use it |
| 12:28 |
kaeza |
how did this go unnoticed so long? |
| 12:29 |
kaeza |
but meh, this is not the place to discuss this |
| 12:29 |
Taoki |
not sure exactly, but prolly old |
| 12:31 |
kaeza |
well... I guess most games use predefined animations anyway |
| 12:31 |
kaeza |
and not really modifying things on the fly |
| 12:31 |
Taoki |
Yeah. Skeletal animations are one of the main reasons why I added 3D players |
| 12:32 |
Taoki |
There is no limit to the quality a mesh can have. You could add a player model with tons of polygons and textures as big as 4096 x 4096 :) |
| 12:32 |
* kaeza |
will add CS:GO models ^_^ |
| 12:34 |
Taoki |
CS:GO? |
| 12:34 |
kaeza |
but these 3d players are just awesome, it's a shame nothing can be done about this small issue |
| 12:34 |
kaeza |
Counter Strike: Global Offensive |
| 12:34 |
kaeza |
lol H/K |
| 12:34 |
kaeza |
J/K* |
| 12:35 |
Taoki |
Well theoretically, you can add those models if you can convert the animations properly :) |
| 12:36 |
Taoki |
And it will when the next version of Irrlicht will be out hopefully. Just takes some waiting |
| 12:38 |
Taoki |
kaeza: Please keep the two Youtube videos you linked here on your channel and don't remove them. I'll be linking them in the bug reports to Irrlicht |
| 12:38 |
Taoki |
BRB |
| 12:45 |
kaeza |
Taoki, I have also a video featuring the bug proper |
| 12:45 |
kaeza |
only the head rotates, although I call set_animation() |
| 12:47 |
kaeza |
here you can see it for a brief period: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q__SiQJojQU |
| 12:53 |
kaeza |
trollolol http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66816#p66816 |
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Taoki |
I saw that video yeah |
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Taoki |
kaeza: When using B3D, does that issue happen in any form any more? I need to know if it's an issue with the x format specifically |
| 13:07 |
kaeza |
yes |
| 13:08 |
Taoki |
thanks |
| 13:08 |
kaeza |
the difference between using b3d and x is that somehow the bone orientations are not the same |
| 13:09 |
kaeza |
or something along the lines |
| 13:09 |
Taoki |
That part is probably normal, a lot of things can be different when exporting a lesh |
| 13:09 |
Taoki |
**mesh |
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sfan5 |
lol |
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sfan5 |
[ 1399.494] Warning: Xalloc: requesting unpleasantly large amount of memory: 0 bytes. |
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kaeza |
thexyz, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66818#p66818 |
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Exio |
http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=4153 |
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jojoa1997 |
VanessaE... |
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Kacey |
hello all |
| 14:25 |
jojoa1997 |
hi |
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* Kacey |
just woke up |
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Kacey |
jojoa1997: want to see my RAM units? |
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jojoa1997 |
pic please am busy |
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jojoa1997 |
upload map to forums |
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Kacey |
im not uploading my RAM units just so people can steal my idea |
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Brianetta |
Tonight, I think I might try minetest in Xephyr. Perhaps then it will just lock up Zephyr, rather than the X server I'm using for everything else. |
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jojoa1997 |
pic i cant come right now |
| 14:32 |
Kacey |
ok then |
| 14:33 |
Kacey |
i dont have a screenshot right now... |
| 14:35 |
jojoa1997 |
Kacey if you post it in forums then you will have credit. i want to be able to try it on my own time |
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jojoa1997 |
look at it on my own time |
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Kacey |
anyone else on? |
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jojoa1997 |
!up 0gb.us 30002 |
| 15:03 |
Minetest-tan |
0gb.us:30002 seems to be down |
| 15:04 |
kaeza |
possible spam? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65796#p65796 |
| 15:04 |
kaeza |
(see also post below this one) |
| 15:04 |
jojoa1997 |
link broken' |
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jojoa1997 |
another one please |
| 15:05 |
kaeza |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66824#p66824 |
| 15:05 |
jojoa1997 |
maybe |
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jojoa1997 |
what happens if i report a post |
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jojoa1997 |
Kaeza... |
| 15:09 |
jojoa1997 |
does the player with your mod look backwards |
| 15:09 |
jojoa1997 |
the skin is rotated 180 degrees |
| 15:10 |
kaeza |
jojoa1997, fix it :) |
| 15:10 |
jojoa1997 |
m,e fix it or you already fixed it? |
| 15:10 |
jojoa1997 |
i dont understand the file |
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kaeza |
what do you mean the skin is rotated? screen please |
| 15:11 |
jojoa1997 |
cant give screen you cant notice it still but |
| 15:11 |
kaeza |
... |
| 15:11 |
jojoa1997 |
say i am facing the other player |
| 15:11 |
jojoa1997 |
to them i am faceing away |
| 15:12 |
jojoa1997 |
also i need a download link i deleted it |
| 15:13 |
kaeza |
nope |
| 15:13 |
kaeza |
ditched it |
| 15:13 |
jojoa1997 |
YOU WHAT!?!? |
| 15:13 |
kaeza |
yup |
| 15:13 |
jojoa1997 |
why it was so good |
| 15:13 |
kaeza |
wait until Irrlicht 1.9.0 |
| 15:13 |
jojoa1997 |
ok |
| 15:13 |
jojoa1997 |
what about firearms? |
| 15:14 |
jojoa1997 |
the guns can shoot without ammo |
| 15:14 |
kaeza |
awww forgot to pucsh chages |
| 15:14 |
kaeza |
changes* |
| 15:14 |
kaeza |
push* |
| 15:14 |
kaeza |
d*mn |
| 15:14 |
thexyz |
that antispam shit ain't gonna fucking work |
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jojoa1997 |
you seen the realestate agents posts |
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jojoa1997 |
keaze tell when pushed please |
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jojoa1997 |
kaeza ^ |
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jojoa1997 |
kaeza i might suggest adding it to hunger games if it works out |
| 15:22 |
kaeza |
okay pushed |
| 15:22 |
kaeza |
now guns require ammo *only in survival mode* |
| 15:22 |
jojoa1997 |
lol it says you pushed an hour aga |
| 15:22 |
jojoa1997 |
ago |
| 15:23 |
kaeza |
and grenades/rockets make explosion sound on contact |
| 15:23 |
Exio |
commited* |
| 15:23 |
jojoa1997 |
can you make them destroy ground |
| 15:23 |
kaeza |
... |
| 15:23 |
jojoa1997 |
but it must be configurable and off by default |
| 15:23 |
kaeza |
yes |
| 15:23 |
kaeza |
but not now |
| 15:24 |
jojoa1997 |
take your time |
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kaeza |
PilzAdam, can I borrow code from your TNT mod? |
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PilzAdam |
kaeza, credits would be nice |
| 15:25 |
kaeza |
of course |
| 15:26 |
kaeza |
so I take that as a yes...? |
| 15:26 |
PilzAdam |
sure |
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jojoa1997 |
kaeza does it give damage now to npcs |
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kaeza |
it always did |
| 15:28 |
jojoa1997 |
no |
| 15:29 |
jojoa1997 |
my npcs only disapear when they get hit by a bullet even explosives. also when they die they drop stuff they didnt then |
| 15:29 |
jojoa1997 |
unless it destroyed the item they dropped |
| 15:30 |
jojoa1997 |
also could you make the carbine shoot only one bullet when you press a button. maybe 'f' |
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Brianetta |
jojoa1997: semi, 3-burst and full auto (: |
| 15:46 |
jojoa1997 |
how do i use the different types |
| 15:47 |
* Brianetta |
shrugs |
| 15:47 |
Brianetta |
I'm still trying to figure out how to play Minetest without it locking X up |
| 15:48 |
jojoa1997 |
gonna chaeck github |
| 15:50 |
jojoa1997 |
how do you know it has that stuff |
| 15:51 |
kaeza |
jojoa1997, PilzAdam: http://youtu.be/yM6RtQyfKII |
| 15:52 |
jojoa1997 |
\o/ |
| 15:52 |
PilzAdam |
I recommend using item_drop :-) |
| 15:52 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza how do you [10:45] <Brianetta> jojoa1997: semi, 3-burst and full auto (: |
| 15:52 |
jojoa1997 |
do that |
| 15:53 |
jojoa1997 |
and push it but is the explosive destroy configurable |
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* jojoa1997 |
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* jojoa1997 |
boom boom boom |
| 15:54 |
* jojoa1997 |
blew up the world |
| 15:55 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza have the shotgun dig leaves |
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| 16:07 |
Jordach |
hello |
| 16:07 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza pushed? |
| 16:07 |
jojoa1997 |
Hello! |
| 16:07 |
jojoa1997 |
jordach so what was the secret code last night? |
| 16:08 |
* Jordach |
touches nose |
| 16:09 |
* jojoa1997 |
sneezes |
| 16:09 |
jojoa1997 |
!g how to find the area of a rhombus |
| 16:09 |
Minetest-tan |
jojoa1997: http://www.mathopenref.com/rhombusarea.html |
| 16:10 |
jojoa1997 |
nice that helps with homework |
| 16:10 |
Jordach |
jojoa1997, please /msg Minetest-tan !g message |
| 16:10 |
Jordach |
less channel spam |
| 16:10 |
jojoa1997 |
okj |
| 16:11 |
jojoa1997 |
sorry forgot we could messeg minetest-tan |
| 16:12 |
jojoa1997 |
Jordach i like your response http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66828#p66828 |
| 16:13 |
kaeza |
jojoa1997, Dx*Dy/2 |
| 16:13 |
jojoa1997 |
what is that? |
| 16:13 |
Brianetta |
How frequently do apples appear in trees? |
| 16:13 |
Brianetta |
I've only seen them in minimal |
| 16:13 |
jojoa1997 |
when you plant saplings IIRC |
| 16:13 |
Jordach |
Brianetta, they spawn in minetest_game when a sapling grows |
| 16:13 |
Brianetta |
Ah, OK |
| 16:13 |
Brianetta |
I'll be needing an orchard, then |
| 16:14 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza, what does Dx*Dy/2 mean |
| 16:14 |
Brianetta |
I don't lose hearts so often now; I place a lot of bannister rails. |
| 16:14 |
kaeza |
area of rhombus |
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jojoa1997 |
oh thanks |
| 16:14 |
jojoa1997 |
banister rails? |
| 16:14 |
kaeza |
Dx and Dy are the "diagonals" |
| 16:14 |
jojoa1997 |
from which mod |
| 16:15 |
Brianetta |
jojoa1997: They're made of bits of fence. I don't have any mods. |
| 16:15 |
jojoa1997 |
oh i thought you were talking about rails like cart rails |
| 16:15 |
Brianetta |
Bannisters. They're found next to flights of stairs. |
| 16:16 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza please push an update o.o |
| 16:16 |
Brianetta |
They provide something to hold, but more importantly, provide something to stop you wandering over the side. |
| 16:16 |
jojoa1997 |
Brianette when i place fences i walk on them |
| 16:16 |
kaeza |
... |
| 16:16 |
Brianetta |
You can build them much higher than that. |
| 16:17 |
Brianetta |
I do like to put a candle torch on top of two fence posts. |
| 16:17 |
Brianetta |
Street light. (: |
| 16:18 |
Brianetta |
I'm considering emptying a bucket of lava into a ceiling-hanging glass bath, to provide interior light. |
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jojoa1997 |
gtg bbl |
| 16:27 |
* jojoa1997 |
bye |
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VanessaE |
Brianetta: get my moretrees mod and plant *real* apple trees ;-) |
| 16:30 |
Brianetta |
I haven't explored any mods at all yet |
| 16:31 |
VanessaE |
you're missing out on a great deal of content and improvements in gameplay |
| 16:31 |
Brianetta |
I've less than a week of experience with Minetest, and something like four seconds (game time) or ten minutes (real time) with Minecraft. |
| 16:31 |
Brianetta |
Right now, I'm more concerned with getting Minetest to stop locking X up |
| 16:32 |
Brianetta |
I don't want to introduce variables before then |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
understood. |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
you running a nightly build, or git, or ..? |
| 16:32 |
Brianetta |
Tonight, I'm going to try starting it in Xephyr |
| 16:32 |
Brianetta |
Git |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 16:32 |
markveidemanis |
Has anyone made me a clean mod with the moretree nodenames? |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: moretrees mod. |
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| 16:32 |
markveidemanis |
Huh? |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: I put all that stuff into a proper mod ages ago. |
| 16:33 |
markveidemanis |
Ok...but now i need a clean mod. |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
define 'clean' |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
greetz, Calinou. |
| 16:33 |
markveidemanis |
to get rid of trees once and for all:D |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
oh that kind of clean |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
I told you use worldedit. |
| 16:33 |
markveidemanis |
clean:Delete |
| 16:33 |
Brianetta |
a mod that cleans (: |
| 16:34 |
markveidemanis |
i can't be bothered:D |
| 16:34 |
VanessaE |
and moretrees only spawn at mapgen time or via saplings now. |
| 16:34 |
markveidemanis |
i am removing the mod and i dont want unknown blocks |
| 16:35 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: just upgrade to the latest moretrees + plantlife and then you don't have to delete anything except that which is in your way. |
| 16:36 |
markveidemanis |
im removing it... |
| 16:36 |
VanessaE |
:( |
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jojoa1997 |
hi all |
| 16:37 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 16:37 |
markveidemanis |
i think its too much:horixontal things |
| 16:37 |
markveidemanis |
horizontal |
| 16:37 |
markveidemanis |
Hi |
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VanessaE |
horizontal |
| 16:38 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 16:38 |
jojoa1997 |
for what? |
| 16:38 |
VanessaE |
he doesn't like moretrees :( |
| 16:39 |
jojoa1997 |
how dare he! |
| 16:39 |
jojoa1997 |
WE ARE KEEPING MORETREES!!! |
| 16:40 |
jojoa1997 |
that is one thing i will not get rid of |
| 16:40 |
Brianetta |
Is there a mod that provides the player with an incentive to build somewhere to hide at night? |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
Brianetta: simple mobs maybe |
| 16:40 |
Brianetta |
I don't so much have a house as a porch. |
| 16:40 |
markveidemanis |
i disagree |
| 16:40 |
jojoa1997 |
animated npc |
| 16:40 |
jojoa1997 |
wjordan4ipbanez' version |
| 16:41 |
jojoa1997 |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4023 |
| 16:42 |
markveidemanis |
???? |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: and it (moretrees) is only gonna get better. Next plan is to add slabs/stairs to the various wood planks blocks, then after that I am not sure |
| 16:44 |
markveidemanis |
DONT RUIN THINGS WITH STAIRS!!! |
| 16:44 |
jojoa1997 |
add hometree |
| 16:44 |
markveidemanis |
WE DONT NEED STAIRS, JUST BLOCKS!! |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
what's wrong with adding stairs? |
| 16:44 |
jojoa1997 |
from avatar |
| 16:45 |
jojoa1997 |
stairs good |
| 16:45 |
markveidemanis |
EVERYTHING HAS HAD STAIRS RECENTLY |
| 16:45 |
markveidemanis |
technic=RUINED BECAUSE OF STAIRS!!! |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: I might release that as a separate mod, but I need a really *REALLY* good model |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: that's because people like to build useful stuff with stairs, slabs, etc. and not be limited to cobble, brick, ... |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
and no one is forcing you to use those extra blocks. |
| 16:46 |
jojoa1997 |
what do you mean by model |
| 16:46 |
markveidemanis |
then go play tekkit on minecraft, where everything is broken up |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: an L-Systems tree definition |
| 16:46 |
jojoa1997 |
oh |
| 16:46 |
markveidemanis |
its moretrees not morestairs |
| 16:47 |
markveidemanis |
i expect tree, wood, leaves nothing else! |
| 16:47 |
jojoa1997 |
well make it like pandora one |
| 16:47 |
* Brianetta |
always builds stairs in mines |
| 16:47 |
Brianetta |
It's how I find my way back out |
| 16:47 |
jojoa1997 |
and also VanessaE maybe make it a game |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: besides, what do you care? you don't like moretrees anyway :( |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
how can one ruin, in your eyes, that which you dislike to begin with? |
| 16:48 |
jojoa1997 |
like changing weapons and gravuity |
| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: someone else can code a mod/game for that |
| 16:49 |
jojoa1997 |
ok |
| 16:49 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE: make it one tree per world to reduce lag |
| 16:50 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 16:51 |
jojoa1997 |
the tree needs to be like 1000 blocks high |
| 16:51 |
jojoa1997 |
an 100 wide with 2 rings |
| 16:51 |
VanessaE |
"That's a big damn tree." |
| 16:51 |
jojoa1997 |
an inner and outer |
| 16:51 |
jojoa1997 |
like in the movie |
| 16:51 |
VanessaE |
I think a tree that big is beyond the scope of L-Systems :-) |
| 16:52 |
jojoa1997 |
yeah |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
that's the sort of thing you build over time and then distribute as a .wem file |
| 16:52 |
jojoa1997 |
.wem? |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
worldedit meta |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
the format that stores the contents of chests etc also |
| 16:54 |
jojoa1997 |
maybe it could be the farthest the tree l-system could go |
| 16:55 |
Brianetta |
World Tree |
| 16:55 |
Brianetta |
Oooh, I think I'm about to go home. |
| 16:55 |
Brianetta |
Yes. Yes, I am. |
| 16:55 |
Brianetta |
Later! |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
markveidemanis: sudo apt-get install mate |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
^ will solve things |
| 16:58 |
markveidemanis |
Huh? |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
:3 |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
change hater :-) |
| 16:58 |
Jordach |
Calinou, press the 'any' key |
| 16:58 |
markveidemanis |
I dont like changes |
| 16:59 |
Calinou |
keyboard not found, press F11. |
| 16:59 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza ... |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
Press the "any" key NOW! |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
(as a BBS I used to call, would say) |
| 16:59 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, fuck the police, im going to use HDX 512 |
| 16:59 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza when will firearms be ready |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
eh? |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
that big hefty motherfuckin tp |
| 17:00 |
jojoa1997 |
language |
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* jojoa1997 |
wags finger |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
...and |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
yes, it is. |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
I don't fuck around when it comes to image quality :D |
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* Jordach |
now fears what it will do to jordachs again GPU |
| 17:01 |
Jordach |
aging* |
| 17:03 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, now this is when i find out i getter a better fps then you do |
| 17:03 |
Jordach |
nek |
| 17:03 |
Jordach |
oops |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
eh? |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
wouldn't surprise me if you do. my fps sucks lately even with 16px textures. |
| 17:03 |
Jordach |
if software rendering on another voxel game lands about 20fps, then this tower aint no slouch |
| 17:03 |
Jordach |
...it also shows that windows is better |
| 17:04 |
Jordach |
:P |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
* Jordach now fears what it will do to jordachs again GPU |
| 17:04 |
* Calinou |
tells Jordach to try tesseract |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
"for new GPUs, by new GPUs" |
| 17:04 |
Traxie21 |
I hate myself sometimes |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
hai Traxie21 |
| 17:04 |
Jordach |
Calinou |
| 17:04 |
Traxie21 |
hai :D |
| 17:04 |
* Jordach |
gets 4000fps |
| 17:04 |
Traxie21 |
I just wrote a gigantic file.io script to read a simple text file |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
on a blank map? even my computer can't do that :P |
| 17:05 |
Traxie21 |
and then found that dofile() will work for exactly what i want it to do |
| 17:05 |
Traxie21 |
>:C |
| 17:05 |
VanessaE |
shit happens, it's called learning :) |
| 17:05 |
Traxie21 |
Ikr |
| 17:06 |
Traxie21 |
I always do complicated stuff first |
| 17:06 |
Traxie21 |
then find theres a simple way to do it |
| 17:06 |
* Jordach |
and VanessaE dont give to fucks to the no swearing rule |
| 17:06 |
Jordach |
two* |
| 17:06 |
VanessaE |
I won't even give one fuck to that rule ;) |
| 17:06 |
Jordach |
oh no she didnt! |
| 17:06 |
Traxie21 |
:U |
| 17:07 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, lets play: how much can my cheap ass GPU do? |
| 17:07 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 17:08 |
Jordach |
libreplanet-gaming_collective: i choose you! |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
it really surprises me (though I suppose it shouldn't) that I can't even sustain 60 fps with 16px textures on my basass GPU.. |
| 17:08 |
Jordach |
badass* |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
badass* |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
ninja'd! |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
:) |
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markveidemanis |
Hi...again |
| 17:08 |
Jordach |
nope, minetest just dies |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
hi mark "I don't like moretrees" veidemanis ;-) |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: to use the 512px size, you need 4GB of RAM and an AMD64 system. |
| 17:09 |
markveidemanis |
i hate ALL trees |
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VanessaE |
(I shit you not) |
| 17:09 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE: LOL :-) +1 |
| 17:09 |
markveidemanis |
and mapgen in general |
| 17:09 |
Jordach |
amd? this is intel |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: 64-bit build anyway |
| 17:09 |
jojoa1997 |
markv GO PLAY MINECRAFT |
| 17:09 |
Jordach |
x65 please VanessaE |
| 17:10 |
Jordach |
x64* |
| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
x86_64 you mean :) |
| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
though intel uses the AMD64 architecture now, so :P |
| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
(talka bout the lion laying down with the lamb) |
| 17:10 |
Jordach |
now thats the first time in windows that i've ever seen my task bar flash like a police light |
| 17:10 |
markveidemanis |
at least minecraft doesn't have trees taller than 10 blocks |
| 17:11 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: which is incredibly unrealistic |
| 17:11 |
rubenwardy |
at least? |
| 17:11 |
Traxie21 |
@mark: Ever used Redpower? |
| 17:11 |
markveidemanis |
yop |
| 17:11 |
Jordach |
markveidemanis, /join #minecraft |
| 17:11 |
Traxie21 |
Those rubber trees make vanessa's look like little children |
| 17:11 |
markveidemanis |
But the trees are...just 'better' |
| 17:11 |
rubenwardy |
10 meter trees are realistic |
| 17:11 |
markveidemanis |
me banned from #minecraft, you all know!! |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
10m trees are unrealistic - most trees in the real world stretch WAY beyond 10m. |
| 17:12 |
markveidemanis |
no. |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
a giant sequoia can grow to 100+ m |
| 17:12 |
* Traxie21 |
looks at my measaly oak out back... |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
my house is surrounted by very tall trees, quite common here |
| 17:12 |
markveidemanis |
its the mapgen that makes them look bad |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
then fix the mapgen, don't bitch about the trees |
| 17:12 |
Traxie21 |
I live in texas, most trees are not taller than 20 feet |
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markveidemanis |
mapgen just spams them, they need to be further apart |
| 17:13 |
Traxie21 |
XD |
| 17:13 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, lets try 256px |
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VanessaE |
Jordach: that takes about 2GB of RAM |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
you *might* be able to pull that one off. |
| 17:13 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, this gpu has 1gb of ram |
| 17:14 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE try 5120px |
| 17:14 |
markveidemanis |
until minetest has better rendering that doesn't lagg...leave trees alone |
| 17:14 |
* Jordach |
spits drink |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: *any* amount of static content is gonna make the mapgen lag. |
| 17:14 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, 30-40fps using opengl |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
huge structures, large mountains, trees, you name it. |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
the more there is, the laggier it gets, even with *NO MODS* |
| 17:15 |
jojoa1997 |
markv look at the spawn that is also creating lag |
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Traxie21 |
brb |
| 17:18 |
Traxie21 |
Thanks guys for your various helps |
| 17:22 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, 256px: http://ompldr.org/vaDlmcA/256px.PNG |
| 17:23 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: nice. Now try going on my server near a big grove of the larger trees :-) |
| 17:23 |
VanessaE |
(say, just east of my brick house) |
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rubenwardy |
celeron55: did you ever give permission for this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4575 |
| 17:24 |
rubenwardy |
It says it is the "official minetest planet" |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
hah, Likwid's link is dead :D |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
404'd |
| 17:25 |
rubenwardy |
It takes a minute to load for me |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
it's 404'd for me |
| 17:26 |
thexyz |
I don't see word "official" at page http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4575 |
| 17:26 |
rubenwardy |
when it does load |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
oh sure now it loaded. |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
" |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
The first official Minetest Planet! |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
About Minetest Planet |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
Has all Minetest rated Stuff." |
| 17:26 |
rubenwardy |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66840#p66840 |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
in the website |
| 17:26 |
thexyz |
except "The official Minetest discussion board" and "official extensions" |
| 17:26 |
rubenwardy |
and it is not the first |
| 17:26 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest Extensions is the first |
| 17:26 |
thexyz |
hm.. what's wrong then? |
| 17:26 |
thexyz |
he is free to write anything he wants at his website, isn't he? |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
nope.avi |
| 17:28 |
thexyz |
Jordach: you're slightly old-fashioned, it should be nope.h265 |
| 17:28 |
Calinou |
h265 ftl |
| 17:28 |
rubenwardy |
c55 does not like it when people wrongly associate that it is "official" |
| 17:28 |
Calinou |
OGV FTW |
| 17:28 |
VanessaE |
h265 isn't even out yet is it? |
| 17:29 |
Calinou |
thexyz: heh, a 6 second 640×400 avi for me is 37MB, while an OGV (no sound) is about 600KB |
| 17:29 |
thexyz |
it's approved |
| 17:29 |
thexyz |
Calinou: how about h264? |
| 17:29 |
Calinou |
didn't try, but h264 is a timebomb |
| 17:29 |
Calinou |
if you use proper video players, ogv causes no problem |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
parole and vlc can both read ogv, so why not use it? |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
and you can upload them to youtube AFAIK |
| 17:30 |
VanessaE |
because no one in the real world can play that format |
| 17:30 |
VanessaE |
sadly |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
who doesn't have vlc? |
| 17:30 |
thexyz |
vlc sucks |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
no u |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
works for me |
| 17:30 |
VanessaE |
anyone running Windows probably doesn't, anyone whose only media is a blu-ray player or similar, ... |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
its video recording kinda sucks for games though :( |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
(most windows users probably don't know about vlc) |
| 17:31 |
thexyz |
well, i guess ogg sucks too |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: most windows users actually have vlc |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
it's one of the most commonly downloaded software, and windows 8 (non-pro) will make it more used |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
windows 8 (non-pro) cannot read protected DVDs now :3 |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
only the smart ones, and how many truly smart win users are there compared to the masses? |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
so you need to install VLC to read them |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
5%? maybe 10%? |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
and even the stupids are doing it |
| 17:32 |
thexyz |
http://www.streaminglearningcenter.com/images/alex-thus1_1.jpg |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
win 8 can't play a DVD out of the box? epic fail. |
| 17:32 |
thexyz |
it. sucks. |
| 17:32 |
Calinou |
thexyz: yes, we need absolute video quality to kill the internet |
| 17:32 |
Calinou |
no u |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
h264 with same bitrate is like million times better |
| 17:33 |
Calinou |
depends on videos i guess |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
no idea |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
does it support 10 bit video? |
| 17:33 |
Calinou |
10 bit videos? why? |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
or is that some h264-exclusive feature? |
| 17:34 |
Calinou |
thexyz: regardless, h264 is still a patented format, like mp3 |
| 17:34 |
Calinou |
(btw, ogg beats mp3 sometimes :P) |
| 17:34 |
Calinou |
as in vorbis |
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thexyz |
Calinou: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_banding |
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Brianetta |
No GLX support available. OpenGL driver will not work. |
| 17:36 |
Brianetta |
So much for running minetest in Xephyr. |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
since when people have screens where 10bit has an advantage?? |
| 17:37 |
thexyz |
it can be com[pressed better |
| 17:37 |
thexyz |
Calinou: shall I google and send you some? |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
no |
| 17:37 |
FreeFull |
Calinou: not sometimes, ogg beats mp3 every time |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
Brianetta: you could alwyas use the burningsvideo driver, that's software rendering isn't it? : |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
burningsvideo can be a bit faster than software |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
both are SW renderers |
| 17:38 |
Brianetta |
I don't have that sort of CPU grunt |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
better save time and buy a nvidia graphics card :3 |
| 17:38 |
Brianetta |
I have an Nvidia |
| 17:38 |
thexyz |
Calinou: http://blisswater.info/comparison/elephantsdream/ |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
Brianetta: so why don't you use it? :P |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
use the proprietary blob then |
| 17:38 |
Brianetta |
Calinou: I do. Periodically, minetest smashes my X server right in the face. |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
if nouveau doesn't work for you I mean |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
nouveau runs MT at 20-30FPS for me :-) |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
Brianetta: use 304.51 or higher |
| 17:39 |
Brianetta |
I thought I'd run it in a nested X server to avoid bringing the whole desktop down. |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
313.18 for best results |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: oh btw. I decided, my next video card will be an nVidia unit of some kind. |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
nvidia-current in 12.10 is full of bugs, use nvidia-current-updates :P |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: which one? |
| 17:39 |
Brianetta |
I suspect those are strictly for newer cards than this one. |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
660s and 660tis have best performance/price ratio currently |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
dunno yet, that's still a ways off before I decide on an upgrade. |
| 17:40 |
hmmmm |
well... best price/performance ratio for new cards |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
Brianetta: what card? |
| 17:40 |
Brianetta |
> lspci | grep VGA |
| 17:40 |
Brianetta |
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] (rev a2) |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
6600 is a decent card |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
you should be able to use the current driver with that? |
| 17:41 |
Brianetta |
Yes, i have no trouble with Pioneer. |
| 17:41 |
Brianetta |
Pioneer runs perfectly. |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
I had a 6800 that was fairly workable, for the most part. |
| 17:41 |
Brianetta |
Minetest crashes my X server. |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
thexyz: difference is barely visible to be honest |
| 17:41 |
Brianetta |
Not straight away |
| 17:41 |
Brianetta |
Just after a bit of play |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
there is "video quality" and "video quality actually seen" |
| 17:41 |
Brianetta |
Sometimes hours of play, sometimes ten minutes |
| 17:41 |
thexyz |
Calinou: wut |
| 17:42 |
Brianetta |
but usually when I'm using the mouse, never when idle |
| 17:42 |
Calinou |
it's like saying a 8m×8m×8m cylinder with 64 polygons looks bad |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
you mean, you don't see difference between http://blisswater.info/comparison/elephantsdream/ed-3681-10bit-1500kbps.png and http://blisswater.info/comparison/elephantsdream/ed-3681-8bit-1500kbps.png ? |
| 17:42 |
Calinou |
it will look bad "graphically" |
| 17:42 |
Calinou |
but when you play, it won't |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
ok |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
fine |
| 17:43 |
Calinou |
thexyz: the difference is very small |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
I can certainly see a difference |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
10 bit also weights less |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
subtle details are precisely what people see when they look at a game, movie, etc. |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
the only _tiny_ problem with it is that it's not supported by hw players |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
tiny, heh |
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| 17:44 |
Calinou |
see, your thing isn't magic :P |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
graphics cards are much better at decoding videos than CPUs.. |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
I bet 10bit is more expensive on the CPU too? |
| 17:44 |
FreeFull |
thexyz: they both look like they were in a lossy format and then converted to png |
| 17:45 |
thexyz |
FreeFull: that's called "video encoding" |
| 17:45 |
thexyz |
it's lossy, yeah |
| 17:46 |
FreeFull |
For comparing video, still frames probably aren't that good |
| 17:47 |
celeron55 |
i see a difference in those images, but isn't really much to the better or worse |
| 17:47 |
celeron55 |
it's just a difference |
| 17:48 |
celeron55 |
i've heard though that 10bit could work somehow better for anime kind of stuff |
| 17:48 |
celeron55 |
to me that seems more like a badly perfoming codec though than some property of 10bit itself |
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| 17:50 |
markveidemanis |
hi |
| 17:50 |
Octupus |
Hewwo |
| 17:51 |
thexyz |
i doubt 10 bit is actually used for anything but anime |
| 17:55 |
hmmmm |
my chinese girl cartoons need to be perfectly clear looking |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
chinese?? |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
that does it. hand in your geek card. |
| 17:56 |
hmmmm |
it's sarcasm |
| 17:57 |
VanessaE |
I know :) |
| 18:02 |
Doc22 |
hey Octupus |
| 18:02 |
Octupus |
Heewwoo Doc22 |
| 18:02 |
Octupus |
I am Officcially a lazy minetest dummy |
| 18:03 |
Doc22 |
oldcoder gave me ban, fly, and kick on 30004 |
| 18:03 |
Doc22 |
^_^ |
| 18:03 |
Octupus |
I used a big O for effect |
| 18:03 |
Doc22 |
lol |
| 18:03 |
markveidemanis |
hi doc |
| 18:03 |
Doc22 |
hey markveidemanis |
| 18:03 |
markveidemanis |
Want to come on my server? there are 2 new people on |
| 18:04 |
* Doc22 |
starts thinking about what mobs should look like in my game |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
no one plays on my server anymore :( |
| 18:04 |
Octupus |
like a orange ;3 |
| 18:04 |
Doc22 |
not now markveidemanis im busy with hw, just checking the irc |
| 18:04 |
markveidemanis |
k |
| 18:04 |
Doc22 |
and VanessaE what is ip? |
| 18:04 |
Doc22 |
ill save it for later |
| 18:04 |
Octupus |
HMMMM i want to be offical server Spawn Builder |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
Doc22: same as before. vanessae.mine.bz:30000 but it's in the server list also |
| 18:04 |
Doc22 |
ok |
| 18:05 |
Doc22 |
i can remember vanseesae.mine.bz |
| 18:05 |
Octupus |
We neeed a rank mod |
| 18:05 |
Doc22 |
mods? |
| 18:06 |
Brianetta |
OK, accidentally burned my "house" to the ground |
| 18:06 |
Brianetta |
but I now have a fully functioning lava lamp |
| 18:06 |
Brianetta |
around which to re-build my house |
| 18:07 |
Brianetta |
tip: When emptying a bucket of lava into a glass bath, make sure you remembered the bath's bottom. |
| 18:07 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 18:08 |
Brianetta |
Seriously, though, good even light. |
| 18:09 |
VanessaE |
a bit dangerous though |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
http://dev.minetest.net/Deacon lol |
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Brianetta |
Danger is my middle name/ |
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jojoa1997 |
hi everyone |
| 18:42 |
marktraceur |
Bye! |
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Traxie21 |
Octupus |
| 18:48 |
Traxie21 |
If you're still there, I am working on a mod that will include ranking |
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Octupus |
Traxie21,Awesome |
| 18:50 |
Traxie21 |
I have to outdo jordan4ibanez though >:D |
| 18:50 |
Traxie21 |
So it might take awhile before I release it |
| 18:50 |
Traxie21 |
It's already structured better and has better configuration :D |
| 18:51 |
Octupus |
nice |
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| 18:55 |
Octupus |
I got the best idea ever |
| 18:55 |
Octupus |
Any1 wanna here it? |
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berome |
sure we wisn to hear it ... |
| 18:56 |
berome |
*wish |
| 18:56 |
Traxie21 |
sure |
| 18:59 |
Octupus |
OK here we go |
| 18:59 |
Octupus |
i was thinking of making a mintest console |
| 19:00 |
Octupus |
where ppl can control there server without them being online |
| 19:00 |
VanessaE |
make it take commands in the server's controlling terminal. |
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Traxie21 |
how hard could that be? |
| 19:02 |
mauvebic |
too easy |
| 19:02 |
jojoa1997 |
could what be? |
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mauvebic |
you can use anny program or script to dump instructions to a file and have a mod check it regularly |
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mauvebic |
has anyone seen or herd from nakedfury lately? |
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VanessaE |
Jan 23 2013 15:10:00 <NakedFury> im not sure MT will be alive by then |
| 19:12 |
VanessaE |
last thing I have in my logs from him |
| 19:13 |
mauvebic |
poop :( |
| 19:13 |
mauvebic |
i implemented some of his suggestions to my voxelsniper |
| 19:14 |
VanessaE |
I'm sure he'll be back in |
| 19:14 |
jojoa1997 |
when will MT not be alive? |
| 19:14 |
VanessaE |
I'm not sure, I don't see any context in the logs that made it clear, but I guess he means in some really long period of time, 20 years or something maybe |
| 19:15 |
jojoa1997 |
Not many from today will be |
| 19:15 |
thexyz |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-01-23#i_2832893 |
| 19:15 |
mauvebic |
well i can definately appreciate the value of short breaks lol im sure we'll see him around again soon |
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Traxie21 |
cyas after lunch guys |
| 19:16 |
VanessaE |
I *still* don't see any context there, thexyz. |
| 19:16 |
Traxie21 |
Working on ServerExtended |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
(hell, I barely even remember this conversation, and it wasn't even a week ago :-) |
| 19:17 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: >for a moment I thougt you were talking about a future Windows 98 [no 1998] >i'm sure it won't work on that one too >yeah too much difference >im not sure MT will be alive by then |
| 19:18 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: the "by then" is what I couldn't resolve. 5 years? 10? not sure. |
| 19:18 |
VanessaE |
unless he meant 2098 :) |
| 19:18 |
mauvebic |
yeah all i see is some debate about windws 98 vs linux lol |
| 19:18 |
VanessaE |
in which case...well here's hoping artificial bodies and mind-uploading happen before then :D |
| 19:18 |
mauvebic |
(tough call) |
| 19:19 |
sapier1 |
windows 98 vs linux? linux 1.0? |
| 19:20 |
mauvebic |
well 98SE was prolly the last great (only great) windows release lol |
| 19:21 |
celeron55 |
i guess minetest will work on windows 98 as long as you find a zlib version that doesn't require some xp kernel things |
| 19:21 |
sapier1 |
lol have you ben drunk from 2k party for too long? |
| 19:21 |
celeron55 |
irrlicht will work on 98 |
| 19:21 |
Brianetta |
Wait, there was a great Windows release? |
| 19:21 |
VanessaE |
what is windows again? |
| 19:21 |
sapier1 |
w2k ... w7 ... maybe |
| 19:21 |
VanessaE |
wasn't that some DOS program or something? :) |
| 19:21 |
mauvebic |
well i only migrated from XP to linux when the malware started getting out of hand |
| 19:21 |
sapier1 |
vanessae you're so true until winme it was dos+gui |
| 19:22 |
Brianetta |
VanessaE: My DOS box never had it. |
| 19:22 |
* Brianetta |
upgraded from Caldera OpenDOS to Linux in 1994 |
| 19:22 |
Brianetta |
Missed Windows altogether. |
| 19:22 |
mauvebic |
i tried installing mandrake in the late 90's - no sound, awful graphics, wasn't ready for primetime |
| 19:23 |
FreeFull |
Brianetta: DOS had plenty of malware, but typically it was trojans |
| 19:23 |
Brianetta |
FreeFull: Speak for your own DOS. |
| 19:23 |
mauvebic |
and old linux + old dialup ISPs... omg lol |
| 19:23 |
Brianetta |
I didn't get online until I was running Linux |
| 19:23 |
FreeFull |
Sometimes there was boot-sector malware or malware that automatically infected the machine if you put in an infected floppy |
| 19:24 |
Brianetta |
FreeFull: I know the technology. I wrote some of that, just to prove I could. |
| 19:24 |
mauvebic |
but... back then... Myst was *the* shit lol |
| 19:24 |
Octupus |
PORTFORWARDING PISSES ME OFF |
| 19:24 |
sapier |
that's why I always had a write protected boot floppy ... ok I had it because most games required 620k conventional memory too :) |
| 19:24 |
Octupus |
GURRRR |
| 19:24 |
sapier |
portforwarding is great ;-) |
| 19:25 |
Octupus |
GURRRRR |
| 19:25 |
Octupus |
i cant figure out portforwarding |
| 19:25 |
Octupus |
i got the right thing but when i try to connect to me ip it dont work |
| 19:25 |
sapier |
from where to where do you want to forward? |
| 19:26 |
Octupus |
ma house to me minecraft :/ |
| 19:26 |
Octupus |
for me friendz to play |
| 19:26 |
Octupus |
unless me us a vps but idk where i can get 1 |
| 19:26 |
VanessaE |
I actually mostly used my 8-bit commodore stuff before getting a PC that could run BSD, and then eventually linux. Short bit of DOS/win in there for a couple of months while writing a program. |
| 19:26 |
VanessaE |
actually, just DOS come to think of it... |
| 19:27 |
sapier |
you may not be able to test it from inside |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
minecraft? byte your tongue. |
| 19:27 |
Octupus |
any1 know a vps that is good |
| 19:27 |
thexyz |
inb4 /kick |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 19:28 |
Octupus |
some1 can give me a link to a free vps that is good ? |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
good, fast, cheap(free). Pick two. |
| 19:28 |
Octupus |
hmm |
| 19:29 |
Octupus |
i want a good 1 that is fast but free |
| 19:29 |
VanessaE |
in other words, don't expect "is good" to also cover "free". |
| 19:29 |
Octupus |
hmmm |
| 19:29 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, this user has an animated avatar: http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=3419 |
| 19:30 |
Octupus |
fast and free i guess |
| 19:30 |
thexyz |
VPSes are damn cheap |
| 19:30 |
thexyz |
can't you afford 5$/month? |
| 19:30 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: removed |
| 19:31 |
Octupus |
thexyz me cant pay me no got no credit card or debit :. |
| 19:31 |
PilzAdam |
gtg (500th Simpsons episode on TV); bye |
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thexyz |
Octupus: go get some |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: I'll replace it with a non-animated one. |
| 19:32 |
thexyz |
I'd recommend Visa Infinite |
| 19:32 |
thexyz |
good one |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
done. |
| 19:32 |
Octupus |
thexyz,how is a 13 yearold eliable for a credit card HMMMM |
| 19:32 |
thexyz |
hm.. |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
(better to pick one presentable frame from the animation and use that, than to just delete it) |
| 19:34 |
Octupus |
VanessaE,a free and fast 1 please :3 |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
Octupus: sorry, no idea. |
| 19:34 |
Octupus |
lolz |
| 19:34 |
thexyz |
probably amazon one |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
AWS is only free for a year |
| 19:34 |
thexyz |
yeah |
| 19:35 |
thexyz |
and iirc you have to enter your card info |
| 19:35 |
Octupus |
:O |
| 19:36 |
VanessaE |
Octupus: if you'd just ditch the router you wouldn't need to port-forward. |
| 19:37 |
VanessaE |
you don't need a router to connect a computer to an internet feed. |
| 19:37 |
Octupus |
wewy |
| 19:37 |
sapier |
that's a bad suggestion |
| 19:37 |
celeron55 |
is somebody willing to help this one http://paste.dy.fi/S3D |
| 19:37 |
VanessaE |
sapier: why? |
| 19:37 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: he already tried messaging me, I responded. |
| 19:37 |
sapier |
a router is protection for your pc ... attacks will hit router not your machine |
| 19:37 |
VanessaE |
but have not yet heard back from him. |
| 19:38 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: ok fine then |
| 19:38 |
VanessaE |
sapier: not really. that's what firewalls are for |
| 19:38 |
Octupus |
Me is sad because i need a vps :/ |
| 19:38 |
sapier |
here in germany almost all routers have integrated firewall functionality ... they're commonly called router |
| 19:38 |
VanessaE |
if you can get out, someone else can theoretically get in, router or not. If a router can protect you, so can a decent firewall on your PC - assuming you even need one. |
| 19:38 |
Octupus |
Vanessa what about a good/cheap vps ? |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
Octupus: I don't remember now, someone told me of one recently but I've since forgotten |
| 19:39 |
sapier |
no a firewall running on same machine is never near to same protection level |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
sapier: of course it is. |
| 19:39 |
Octupus |
damn |
| 19:40 |
VanessaE |
sapier: hardware is hardware, whether you have two lumps of it between you and your assailant, or 100 lumps of it. |
| 19:40 |
sapier |
no consider a case an attacker will start a dos or even manages to crash firewall ... your pc won't be harmed if it's on a dedicated machine |
| 19:40 |
VanessaE |
what matters is the software (or firmware) that governs your connections. |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
if the software that comprises your PC's firewall is any good, your router becomes reduntant. |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
redundant. |
| 19:41 |
sapier |
you assume anyone is able to create a software without bugs ... if this was possible you're right but it aint |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
I have run without a router for almost 20 years now. never had a problem, because I have good software on the PC. |
| 19:42 |
sapier |
you don't have windows as far as I remember? |
| 19:42 |
FreeFull |
It's impossible to create bugless software if you're using a conventional programming language |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
does that mean I'm impenetrable? no. |
| 19:42 |
Brianetta |
No. |
| 19:42 |
FreeFull |
And there is no programming language that prevents all possible bugs |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
indeed, I don't run windows -- therefore, I have good software :-) |
| 19:42 |
Brianetta |
It's impossible to create non-trivial bugless software. |
| 19:42 |
sapier |
no but it means 99.9% of all attacks are not directed to your machine |
| 19:43 |
VanessaE |
sapier: and if those 99.9% of attacks have any rate of success, it is due to bad software, not a bad hardware configuration. |
| 19:43 |
celeron55 |
routers have software too 8) |
| 19:43 |
VanessaE |
you are just as likely to have poor-quality firewalling software/firmware in your router as in your PC |
| 19:43 |
sapier |
I don't deny this but its common fact software is buggy ;) |
| 19:43 |
VanessaE |
perhaps even moreso. |
| 19:44 |
celeron55 |
and the software in routers is generally made by some chinese software sweatshops i guess |
| 19:44 |
sapier |
so better crash a dedicated router firewall than my pc |
| 19:44 |
VanessaE |
because you can't nearly as easily patch the router's software/firmware. |
| 19:44 |
sapier |
celeron55 thats's why I have a dual layer firewall setup ;-) |
| 19:44 |
celeron55 |
or, well... i guess they generally run some kind of modified linux |
| 19:44 |
celeron55 |
or some other embedded *nix variant |
| 19:44 |
VanessaE |
sapier: the point is, the router would crash while a PC connected directly to the line would be just fine against the same attack |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
s/would/might/h |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
s/would/might/g even. |
| 19:45 |
sapier |
that might be true for linux machines but not for most common windows machine running arbitrary software services |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: I thought most of them ran some cisco thing or something? I forget what they called it, I keep wanting to say IOS but that's not right |
| 19:45 |
FreeFull |
Hardware has firmware too |
| 19:46 |
celeron55 |
i wonder if we'd be able to convince some penetration tester to take a whack at a minetest server for free 8) |
| 19:46 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 19:46 |
FreeFull |
celeron55: I bet he/she'd crash it in 30 seconds |
| 19:46 |
VanessaE |
4chan ;) |
| 19:46 |
celeron55 |
there are probably a million DOS exploits |
| 19:46 |
celeron55 |
and crash ones |
| 19:46 |
FreeFull |
4chan would just ddos |
| 19:47 |
sapier |
hey freefull there ain't any non-trivial device without software ;- |
| 19:47 |
celeron55 |
but i'd be interested whether it is possible to gain privileges on the game or the system |
| 19:47 |
VanessaE |
ok anonymous then :) |
| 19:47 |
sapier |
I'm almost sure this is possible |
| 19:47 |
thexyz |
sapier: paranoia much? |
| 19:47 |
celeron55 |
probably is, but it might be a matter of at least hours of experienced hacking |
| 19:48 |
celeron55 |
that is the case of 99.999% software though 8) |
| 19:48 |
sapier |
I'm responsible for security devices so you learn no paranoia is big enough to even imagine what evil guys do |
| 19:48 |
celeron55 |
a targeted attack is almost always destined to work |
| 19:48 |
celeron55 |
given enough skills and time |
| 19:48 |
sapier |
I'd try to hack a client by abusing graphics memory overflow in minetest client |
| 19:49 |
VanessaE |
sapier: so you're saying...you'd connect to my server then. :) |
| 19:50 |
VanessaE |
(over 2000 defined items is sure to make a few MT installs barf ;) ) |
| 19:50 |
celeron55 |
i'd say clients are relatively safe |
| 19:50 |
Traxie21 |
hey Goderon55! |
| 19:50 |
celeron55 |
but i wouldn't really run a public server without running it on an unprivileged user |
| 19:50 |
sapier |
yes but I'd try to create special textures in order to add some executable code to client |
| 19:50 |
celeron55 |
sapier: pretty much similar stuff as for web browsers 8) |
| 19:51 |
sapier |
celeron you only have to log out once and relogin to provocate memory corruption |
| 19:51 |
VanessaE |
provoke* |
| 19:51 |
celeron55 |
corruption? |
| 19:51 |
celeron55 |
can you prove that |
| 19:51 |
sapier |
have a look at yout textures you can se everything but what should be there |
| 19:52 |
sapier |
-t+r |
| 19:52 |
celeron55 |
more memory is used, but it really isn't even a memory leak, as irrlicht still maintains handles to it |
| 19:52 |
celeron55 |
(afaik) |
| 19:52 |
sapier |
I don't think so as textures aren't correct anymore |
| 19:52 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: install HDX 256 or 512px. turn on preloading of item visuals. start a game. Play around. Exit to Menu and start again. Crash. |
| 19:53 |
VanessaE |
others experience the same crashes with lower resolution textures, it just takes more restarts. |
| 19:53 |
sapier |
adding models makes things worse as those are really big |
| 19:53 |
celeron55 |
oh... well, i hope there is a github issue with a gdb backtrace then |
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| 19:53 |
celeron55 |
if i were to attack minetest clients, first thing i'd do is to check all image loader libraries included in the irrlicht dll minetest uses for known exploits |
| 19:53 |
VanessaE |
there it a github issue, but afaik not much of a backtrace on it. |
| 19:53 |
celeron55 |
they might be old versions |
| 19:53 |
VanessaE |
is* |
| 19:54 |
VanessaE |
I forget who filed it (pretty sure it wasn't me this time ;) ) |
| 19:54 |
celeron55 |
then go through the model loaders |
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sapier |
I assumed it's same thing as revertet texture unload patch |
| 19:54 |
celeron55 |
or, well, maybe before that the minetest protocol at the basic level |
| 19:55 |
celeron55 |
i don't really have experience in exploiting stuff; i'm sure somebody could make a very good first guess in a short time 8) |
| 19:55 |
sapier |
I'd assume all of your suggestions would work :-) |
| 19:56 |
celeron55 |
i'll hand 20 bucks out of the donation money to the first one finding an unprivileged code execution bug |
| 19:57 |
sapier |
celeron I wondered why kharls patch resulted in crash on double login to local server, I've read the irclog from discussion but didn't find any hint to why this happens |
| 19:57 |
celeron55 |
with a fix |
| 19:57 |
celeron55 |
sapier: i do understand why it happens |
| 19:57 |
celeron55 |
or, well, understood |
| 19:57 |
celeron55 |
don't remember anymore |
| 19:58 |
celeron55 |
i've probably explained it somewhere |
| 19:58 |
sapier |
there was only the reason what happened (irrlicht was accessing an unloaded texture) but not why it was doing it |
| 19:59 |
Octupus |
can some1 help me with netgear portforwarding |
| 19:59 |
Octupus |
i tried to portfroward but ti dont work |
| 19:59 |
sapier |
server shouldn't do anything with textures and client's have their own texture memory which shouldn't change until logout |
| 19:59 |
sapier |
what netgear device do you have? |
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| 20:01 |
jojoa1997 |
thexyz: you there? |
| 20:02 |
Octupus |
I GIVE UP ON PORTFORWARING THATS IT I GIVE UP GURRRRR |
| 20:03 |
thexyz |
jojoa1997: yep |
| 20:03 |
jojoa1997 |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66860#p66860 |
| 20:03 |
* Octupus |
RAGES QUITS AND LEAVES DIS FRIGGIN PC |
| 20:03 |
sapier |
I can't help if you don't tell me what netgear device you have |
| 20:03 |
Octupus |
ok let me try again 1 more time |
| 20:03 |
Octupus |
wgr614v10 |
| 20:03 |
jojoa1997 |
could we have a copy of it. my server keeps on getting segfaults |
| 20:03 |
sapier |
ok I'll look for it's documentation |
| 20:04 |
Octupus |
k :/ |
| 20:04 |
sapier |
hmm looks quite similar to mine |
| 20:05 |
thexyz |
jojoa1997: to restart server after crashes you only need to >while true; do ./bin/minetestserver; done |
| 20:05 |
Octupus |
i try so many times to port forward but its being gay |
| 20:05 |
jojoa1997 |
could you post that on the forums. 0gb hosts my server |
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| 20:06 |
mauvebic |
http://www.zimg.eu/i/1458716500 +1 shaders |
| 20:07 |
Octupus |
im still trying dis portforwarding tingy |
| 20:07 |
mauvebic |
port forwarding is a bitch lol |
| 20:07 |
mauvebic |
do you have a router + modem type setup? |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: do sleep 1; minetestserver [...]; done <-- limits CPU load if the server goes into an infinite crash-start-crash loop |
| 20:08 |
Octupus |
hmmm |
| 20:08 |
Octupus |
ik my modem type and router type yes but portforwarding is pissing me off |
| 20:08 |
mauvebic |
I had to portforward the modem to the router's WAN ip |
| 20:09 |
mauvebic |
and then DMZ the server in the router |
| 20:09 |
mauvebic |
in otherwords, it has to be accesible for both devices, not just one or the other |
| 20:09 |
mauvebic |
dont feel bad it took me a year to figure out lol |
| 20:09 |
Octupus |
I tried portforwarding my ipv4 which is 10.0.0.2 to 25565 |
| 20:10 |
sapier |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvzFHHDvU8E might help |
| 20:10 |
sapier |
you have 10.0.0.2? wow |
| 20:10 |
mauvebic |
doesnt sound right does it? |
| 20:10 |
sapier |
no not quite at least it's not common for home networks |
| 20:11 |
Octupus |
then i went to www.canyouseeme.org then i put 25565 for port and it says dis I could not see your service on 199.201.84.202 on port (25565) Reason: Connection timed out |
| 20:11 |
Octupus |
:/ |
| 20:11 |
mauvebic |
like i said, portforwarding from modem to router, and then from router to your computer |
| 20:11 |
sapier |
are you sure your machine has 10.0.0.2? |
| 20:11 |
Octupus |
ok how do i portforward modem to me router? |
| 20:11 |
mauvebic |
modem -> routers IP, router -> your computer's internal network ip |
| 20:12 |
Octupus |
sapier yes |
| 20:12 |
Octupus |
my ipv4 says 10.0.0.2 |
| 20:12 |
sapier |
what modem do you have dsl? |
| 20:13 |
mauvebic |
what other IPs are listed when you login to your router/modem configs? |
| 20:13 |
sapier |
can you tell me default gateway ip of your machine? |
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Octupus |
waiy |
| 20:13 |
Octupus |
*wait |
| 20:14 |
mauvebic |
default gateway should be modem's ip |
| 20:14 |
sapier |
yes |
| 20:14 |
Octupus |
the other ip is 10.0.01 |
| 20:14 |
Octupus |
*10.0.0.1 |
| 20:14 |
sapier |
ok so this is fine |
| 20:15 |
sapier |
may I try to connect to the port and IP you mentioned with nmap? |
| 20:15 |
Octupus |
i did what dat video did but it doesnt work |
| 20:16 |
sapier |
do you have an additional firewall on your local machine? |
| 20:16 |
marktraceur |
Dat? |
| 20:16 |
Octupus |
i have a firewall yes and i let the go thorugh |
| 20:18 |
sapier |
ok you don't need portforwarding from modem to router as your router can be reached with ip you told |
| 20:20 |
Octupus |
im angry :/ |
| 20:21 |
mauvebic |
goooood, let the hate flow through you |
| 20:21 |
Octupus |
I TRIED PORTFORWARDING AND TRUNED OFF MY FIREWALL AND NOW IT DOES WORK GURRRRRRRRR |
| 20:22 |
sapier |
firewall in router or pc? |
| 20:22 |
Octupus |
pc |
| 20:22 |
sapier |
:-) seams netgear is innocent ;-) |
| 20:23 |
Octupus |
netgear is gay |
| 20:24 |
sapier |
still you shouldn't disable firewall completely try to find out why your exceptions didn't work and reenable firewall ... at least you can configure it there are already some routers out ther you aren't even allowed to access configuration by your ISP |
| 20:25 |
sapier |
celeron55 what do you think about https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/437 do changes meet your expectation? |
| 20:27 |
celeron55 |
by the way, have you looked at what script_get_backtrace does 8) |
| 20:28 |
sapier |
I use this function |
| 20:28 |
celeron55 |
it just calls the global lua function debug.traceback() and returns the returned string |
| 20:28 |
sapier |
but you couldn't call it from lua by now |
| 20:28 |
sapier |
you're kidding? |
| 20:29 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, you here |
| 20:30 |
sapier |
no you aren't :-) |
| 20:30 |
sapier |
ok I'll close the changeset if it's that easy it's not worth adding this function |
| 20:31 |
VanessaE |
no, actually I have to step away in a minute or two |
| 20:31 |
VanessaE |
what's up? |
| 20:32 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, now getting 60fps with 256px |
| 20:32 |
VanessaE |
how? |
| 20:32 |
VanessaE |
view distance of 10? :) |
| 20:32 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, 35 |
| 20:33 |
VanessaE |
I used to be able to play with my view distance set to 200. Then it dropped to around 160, now I can't even sustain 30fps at a distance of 80. |
| 20:33 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, see, my second hand six year old pc beats yours down |
| 20:33 |
VanessaE |
I hate hate hate the automatic distance tuner - it makes things jumpy and jittery |
| 20:34 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: but on what kind of terrain? a big open space, or something with a shitload of content? |
| 20:34 |
mauvebic |
my FPS hovers between 20-30 on stable |
| 20:34 |
mauvebic |
still optimamimizing my mods lol |
| 20:35 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, quite open with many (old style) trees |
| 20:35 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: go to my server. Go east from the spawn to the jungle around my brick house. Report. :-) |
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Jordach |
alrighty then |
| 20:36 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, id suggest making 256px the optimal pack for quality and mod friendly |
| 20:36 |
mauvebic |
256px?? |
| 20:36 |
Jordach |
and also default |
| 20:36 |
mauvebic |
tabarnacle lol |
| 20:36 |
Jordach |
since it RUNS ON 1GB of ram |
| 20:37 |
mauvebic |
im feeling the heat at 64px with a little over 500 nodes lol |
| 20:37 |
Jordach |
mauvebic, well that shows how powerful my pentium 4 is them |
| 20:37 |
Jordach |
then |
| 20:37 |
Jordach |
note: my spelling seems to be shit today |
| 20:38 |
mauvebic |
my pentium4's fine, its the heatsink/thermal paste thats failing lol |
| 20:38 |
Jordach |
mauvebic, i use arctic silver |
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Jordach |
(fucking awesome how much that stuff absorbs( |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
gotta run |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
back later. |
| 20:38 |
mauvebic |
i havent changed mine its still stock along with the mobo, everything else in it is new tho lol |
| 20:38 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, then youll never know the fps |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
well duh, msg :-) |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
or put it here and I can scroll back :-) |
| 20:39 |
VanessaE |
anyway, gotta go |
| 20:39 |
mauvebic |
though alot of my performance issues last year prolly had something to do with my failing drive (then) |
| 20:39 |
Jordach |
what, the artificial ingredients? |
| 20:39 |
Jordach |
no failing drive here |
| 20:39 |
mauvebic |
well 160gb pata, it had to die at some point lol |
| 20:39 |
Jordach |
lolPATA |
| 20:39 |
Jordach |
SATA man over here |
| 20:40 |
mauvebic |
i hadn't realized how old it was until i bought a new drive and realized the connector didn't fit lol |
| 20:40 |
mauvebic |
thankfully the mobo had 4 unused sata ports :-) |
| 20:40 |
mauvebic |
the PSU can give 650watt |
| 20:40 |
mauvebic |
so im holding onto that lol |
| 20:41 |
sapier |
how old is the psu? |
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| 20:41 |
mauvebic |
2 years |
| 20:41 |
mauvebic |
last one failed |
| 20:41 |
sapier |
so not as old as your drive :-) |
| 20:41 |
mauvebic |
naw the drive was 7 years old lol |
| 20:41 |
mauvebic |
the 1tb is as old as the PSU |
| 20:42 |
sapier |
psu failures are hard to track |
| 20:42 |
sokomine |
my onboard grapics card is not the best. though i was surprised that boards with that card onboard are still sold today. and i'd really like to know how much better the diverse sandy/ivy bridge gpus are by comparison :-) |
| 20:42 |
mauvebic |
for me it was easy |
| 20:42 |
mauvebic |
the computer would powerup for two seconds, and power down, so it was the first thing ichecked |
| 20:42 |
Jordach |
oh shit |
| 20:42 |
Jordach |
vanessa's serv wont even load |
| 20:43 |
Jordach |
its going beyond the call of duty by assigning 1.5gb to the pagefile |
| 20:43 |
sokomine |
jordach: first time connect? |
| 20:43 |
sapier |
:-) ok if its that obvious ... I've often replaced psu on pure guess for instable systems |
| 20:43 |
mauvebic |
and 2 months ago, it would power up, but nothing would boot and it couldn't find the boot drive lol |
| 20:43 |
sapier |
1.5gb? I assume it'll crash soon by bad_alloc |
| 20:43 |
mauvebic |
sometimes it can be something as stupid as BIOS batteries lol |
| 20:44 |
Jordach |
sapier, 0fps |
| 20:44 |
Jordach |
ZERO. F.P.S |
| 20:44 |
Jordach |
and it died |
| 20:44 |
sapier |
haven't had this problem by now mauvebic |
| 20:44 |
mauvebic |
and obviously, never let friends install random shit when they say "but its better!" lol |
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sokomine |
with psu, the one used for this computer here first was dead on arrival. gave me some puzzle :-( |
| 20:44 |
mauvebic |
90% of the computers i fixed is for people who let people install shit who claimed to be experts lol |
| 20:45 |
sokomine |
zero fsp? never managed that. even had 3 fps with lots of tree leaves. maybe that's the bottom number displayed |
| 20:45 |
sapier |
yea and 90% of this 90% could have been fixed for half price |
| 20:45 |
mauvebic |
and opensource consultants and support techs could work for free too but they need to eat :p |
| 20:46 |
mauvebic |
so i have a pretty low high threshold for stupidity in business but very little for anything else lol |
| 20:46 |
sapier |
still replacing parts wich obviously aren't bad isn't way to do it |
| 20:46 |
mauvebic |
*high |
| 20:47 |
mauvebic |
no, i just said 90% is software, i never said i changed parts for nothing, im not a mechanic lol |
| 20:47 |
mauvebic |
but time is time weather your reinstalling the OS or changing parts |
| 20:47 |
sapier |
but I assume this won't be a problem for long as more and more parts are integrated so there soon won't be anything left to replace |
| 20:47 |
marktraceur |
whether* you're* |
| 20:48 |
sapier |
of course time is expensive I'd never doubt that |
| 20:48 |
mauvebic |
i once had someone insist on windows2K upgrades for his office for computers that were meant to run 95 |
| 20:48 |
sokomine |
yes, seems so :-( with smartphones or tablets, there remains hardly anything which can be replaced |
| 20:49 |
mauvebic |
i told them not to, they yelled at me, i did it, and they paid my time the next day to put it back the way it was...lol |
| 20:49 |
sapier |
hmm I've updated from win98 to w2k once |
| 20:49 |
sapier |
but had to buy additional memory too |
| 20:49 |
mauvebic |
theres an incredible amount of money to be made from stupidty |
| 20:49 |
mauvebic |
even when you warn them |
| 20:50 |
sapier |
yes most ppl won't believe you |
| 20:50 |
mauvebic |
exactly |
| 20:50 |
sapier |
I can't remember how often I've told my cousin "backup your drive" ... |
| 20:51 |
sapier |
I've been loughed at and called paranoid ;-) ... as some ppl call me here too ;-) |
| 20:51 |
marktraceur |
laughed* people* |
| 20:51 |
sapier |
he messed up his partition table ... I could help him with that |
| 20:52 |
sapier |
2 month later his sister came to me ... her drive really crashed ... |
| 20:52 |
sapier |
I couldn't help this time |
| 20:53 |
mauvebic |
i dont really make backups i have copies on diff computers and lots of emails to myself with attachments lol |
| 20:53 |
marktraceur |
don't* different* |
| 20:53 |
sapier |
i'd call this a different backup strategy ;-) |
| 20:55 |
sapier |
I don't do backups very often too ... still I've everything on raid1 mirrors ... but this only helps against hardware errors not user mistakes |
| 20:55 |
marktraceur |
either* errors,* |
| 20:56 |
sokomine |
reminds me that i need a new backup-drive.... |
| 20:57 |
sapier |
marktraceur are you a teacher? :-) |
| 20:57 |
thexyz |
fuck this grammar nazi |
| 20:58 |
marktraceur |
sapier: No, though I think somebody else has made that assumption in the past. |
| 20:58 |
marktraceur |
sapier: I'm what we call "literate". |
| 20:58 |
marktraceur |
You may know it by a different name, "able read good" |
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sapier |
sorry don't know anything about this. Still I assume it's not that bad to get told what you're doing wrong when writing a foreign language |
| 21:00 |
marktraceur |
Indeed. I've had a lot of people say that to me before, so I can adequately rationalize my impersonal criticism of others' grammar. |
| 21:01 |
marktraceur |
sapier: I think the issue may be that most Americans see being wrong as a reflection of their own shortcomings, whereas most others see it as an opportunity to learn something. |
| 21:03 |
mauvebic |
i call it being anal but wtv |
| 21:03 |
sapier |
Everyone has his own faults ... not quite right word I gusse ... mine is to see security wholes everywhere :-) |
| 21:03 |
sapier |
ooops |
| 21:03 |
sapier |
lots of typos in one sentence |
| 21:05 |
sokomine |
safest way: use /msg to tell what was wrong :-). it does help if someone who has a better knowledge of the language corrects mistakes so that one can learn |
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marktraceur |
mauvebic: Homophobia has no place here |
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marktraceur |
sokomine: I happen to prefer educating the masses, rather than one person. |
| 21:07 |
mauvebic |
<Octupus> netgear is gay is more homophobic than thinking someone is being anal |
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sokomine |
hm, since a large number of people here aren't native speakers that might be a good idea, yes. still...it's more polite to use /msg and thus safer :-) |
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mauvebic |
and i dont really come here to get an education from anyone, rather more for pleasant discussion pertaining to the game |
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* marktraceur |
doesn't particularly think that teaching is rude |
| 21:09 |
mauvebic |
and derailing a conversation with offtopic grammar corrections is considered rude in some circles |
| 21:09 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: Proper English will enhance the pleasantness of the discussion! |
| 21:09 |
sapier |
plz don't start a discussion about political incorrect abusive words here, we've got a discussion about sexism in germany atm because some politician said to a journalist she would look great in a dirndl |
| 21:10 |
celeron55 |
oh language and gay flamewars! |
| 21:10 |
mauvebic |
lol |
| 21:10 |
celeron55 |
i love you all, yes homo! |
| 21:10 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: Well, the homophobia thing was a joke :) |
| 21:10 |
sapier |
no it's not quite a war ;-) |
| 21:11 |
sapier |
at least not yet |
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sokomine |
as long as you don't pull out the SpielerInnen version! |
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* sokomine |
runs away screaming :-) |
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* mauvebic |
loads kitten cannon |
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sapier |
"SpielerInnen" version? |
| 21:11 |
celeron55 |
i'm always ready to overdo bad things enough to make other people bored to continue |
| 21:12 |
sokomine |
that mutilation of the german language where people exaggerate the gender issue |
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sapier |
lol celeron I don't think you'd be successfull in current sexism debate in germany ... I think womans rights are important too but what is discussed in germany atm is strange |
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mauvebic |
we have a fat blond premier too |
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marktraceur |
mauvebic: How is he doing in the job? |
| 21:15 |
sapier |
It's another question if its wise of a almost 70 old politician to tell a journalism somethin about her dirndl look (you know thos bavarian woman dresses usually worren by woman with ... lets say not too small breasts) |
| 21:17 |
celeron55 |
i'm pretty safe to say i'm the worst nazi sexist on this channel |
| 21:17 |
sapier |
lol but no one will believe you |
| 21:18 |
celeron55 |
i won't ever show it in a serious way though |
| 21:20 |
sapier |
I sometimes wonder what nazis in different countrys think about each other |
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marktraceur |
countries* |
| 21:21 |
sapier |
I was expecting that |
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sapier |
:-) |
| 21:21 |
mauvebic |
greek nazis... golden something... showers? |
| 21:21 |
celeron55 |
i think there are so many kinds of nazis that that question is practically invalid 8) |
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sapier |
nice way to work around the problem celeron ;-) |
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* marktraceur |
imagines there are nazis in this world who hate socialism |
| 21:23 |
sapier |
just deny its existence ... by the way I've written a explanation why loopcount won't catch the dtime problem and what exactly is the dtime problem ;-) |
| 21:24 |
celeron55 |
nazism = nationalism + socialism + a very bad stain made by some crazy 1900's germans |
| 21:24 |
sokomine |
depends on what you understand by it. it sometimes worries me when children from other contries come to a german minecraft server and have nothing better to do then build a nazi-cross :-( most likely they have no idea about what that stands for |
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celeron55 |
sokomine: it has been used for many other things than nazis before the nazis existed |
| 21:25 |
sokomine |
ah yes, a soultion of the dtime problem would be good :-) i had it a lot of times yesterday with my singleplayer world |
| 21:25 |
sapier |
true but in western world its linked to german history |
| 21:25 |
marktraceur |
The backwards one is a symbol of peace, IIRC. |
| 21:26 |
sapier |
strange coincidence |
| 21:26 |
celeron55 |
maybe, and for example the straight horizontal/vertical one is something related to the finnish air force, afaik |
| 21:26 |
marktraceur |
I'm not entirely sure it is a coincidence, but all right. |
| 21:26 |
celeron55 |
and the list goes on forever |
| 21:26 |
sapier |
you mean a two sides of same medal thing? |
| 21:26 |
sokomine |
in this special case it may be that some children (many minecraft players seem very young) don't know more about germany. and maybe when they read in the rules that those signs are forbidden that adds extra intrest for young children - especially when they're told not to grief. most don't want to express a political view i think |
| 21:27 |
sapier |
but I assume prior nazis abused it that symbol wasn't loaded with that much bad things either |
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marktraceur |
*nod* I'd imagine not |
| 21:27 |
sokomine |
yes, it's a much older symbol and a very simple grapics thing |
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celeron55 |
sokomine: often the children tell the truth - the truth there might be that people shouldn't get silly about a symbol |
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sapier |
yes but we all know about power of symbols |
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sapier |
think about red/green cross |
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sokomine |
right. it's not the symbol that did the bad things. it was people...who mostly wheren't bad either. i really hope that time does not repeat |
| 21:29 |
celeron55 |
if somebody goes and shoves people in gas chambers - sure, that is seriously bad 8) |
| 21:31 |
sokomine |
it starts earlier...much earlier. maybe when you believe that someone else is responsible for all the problems in the world and that there is an easy soulition if only some people are allowed to do a few grey things...(that they turn dark black in the end isn't immediately obvious) |
| 21:31 |
sapier |
yes it is ... catching ppl and taking them to gulags in siberia isn't good either ... both things shall never happen again |
| 21:32 |
celeron55 |
my request is that people wouldn't get so blindfolded about everything else done in germany at that time because of the terrible thing somebody got in their heads - keep in mind that at that time, i... think that in america black people weren't allowed to do much things, eg. vote |
| 21:34 |
celeron55 |
also, i didn't really want this to happen to this discussion, but oh well |
| 21:35 |
sapier |
hmm you're right, it started with a language discussion ;-) |
| 21:35 |
sokomine |
yes, sorry. godwins law :-/ |
| 21:35 |
celeron55 |
i just find it silly that the "liberal" people of today aren't really that liberal |
| 21:35 |
sokomine |
but there is still this dtime-issue sapier mentioned? you're the expert on that :-) |
| 21:35 |
celeron55 |
they're just liberal towards their definition of being liberal |
| 21:36 |
sapier |
hmm in germany liberals are those proposing free markets :-) |
| 21:36 |
sokomine |
hm, i always think of liberal as "open-minded" - but that does not seem to be in any way related to the political usage of the term |
| 21:37 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: The Constitution technically said that black people could vote in the 19th century, but segregation still happened for....a long time |
| 21:37 |
marktraceur |
1956 was the year of Brown v. Board, I think |
| 21:37 |
sapier |
but lets stick back to minetest :-) dtime limit for example ;-) |
| 21:38 |
sapier |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/431 |
| 21:38 |
sokomine |
or that strange bug which caused the kingarthur server to be almost unusable yesterday. we still havn't figured out the reason :-( but without further access to logs or ways to try out diffrent approaches, there is maybe no way to find out |
| 21:39 |
celeron55 |
sapier: if you want to limit speed*dtime, then limit the result of that exact equation, that is total position change |
| 21:39 |
celeron55 |
not just some of those two |
| 21:41 |
sapier |
as I've written I don't want to limit this to an exact value if not necessary |
| 21:41 |
sapier |
as long as dtime stays small I don't see any benefit in limiting this product |
| 21:42 |
sapier |
but if dtime increases due to performance issues this limit is usefull |
| 21:42 |
sokomine |
hmpf. right now firefox goes on my nerves by consuming cpu power while having nothing to do - static display, no flash, no javascript, just a couple of minetest-forum-tabs and similar tabs :-( (but that hasn't got to to with mt) |
| 21:43 |
sapier |
for example if your machine can handle 100x100x100 cubes at ease why limit it to 40x40x40 |
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sokomine |
is there a way to find out how much the machine can handle? |
| 21:44 |
sapier |
not exactly as it depends on current situation |
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sapier |
celeron another problem is to fix the problem I'd have to add a limit far to small for some problem cases |
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OldCoder |
Hey |
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Uberi |
o/ |
| 22:19 |
OldCoder |
NEWS. Actually, just STATUS. I am away much of these week but updates will continue. The new Europe server I've mentioned is still planned and should go up in February. I ask people to coordinate their requests. Could they talk to Doc22 and Baby Face? |
| 22:19 |
OldCoder |
I like to make several changes at once when possible |
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OldCoder |
* much of this week on errands |
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Uberi |
a new Europe server? |
| 22:20 |
babyface1031 |
ok ty OldCoder |
| 22:21 |
sapier |
OldCoder there was a bug discovered in mob_slime https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/archive/2.0.3-oc.zip |
| 22:34 |
FreeFull |
Why the zip |
| 22:35 |
sapier |
because oldcoder wants links to zips :-) |
| 22:35 |
sapier |
at least by now |
| 22:36 |
berome |
john_minetest: hi ! Zeg9 site is down, or link changed ? |
| 22:37 |
berome |
ok :-) |
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NekoGloop |
Good afternoon all |
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marktraceur |
Aaaaafternoon, what's up? |
| 23:10 |
Uberi |
o/ NekoGloop |
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NekoGloop |
\o Uberi |
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Kacey |
hye |
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Kacey |
hello? |
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Kacey |
PING |
| 23:21 |
marktraceur |
Kacey: What? |
| 23:21 |
Kacey |
hye pronounced hi |
| 23:21 |
marktraceur |
Kacey: What? |
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Kacey |
hye is pronounced as hi |
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marktraceur |
Kacey: And it was absolutely imperative that someone answer you so you could explain that? |
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Kacey |
idk |
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* marktraceur |
sighs heavily. |
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* NekoGloop |
gives mark a kitten |
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marktraceur |
....that helps. |
| 23:23 |
Kacey |
NekoGloop, did you enjoy my last statement last night? |
| 23:25 |
marktraceur |
18:51 <Kacey> "go to sleep" |
| 23:25 |
Kacey |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=B77Sk1HRt20 |
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Kacey |
ep that statement |
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Kacey |
yep, even |
| 23:26 |
NekoGloop |
Why are we randomly quoting Kacey now? |
| 23:26 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: Kacey asked about your reaction to a statement. I provided context. |
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* sokomine |
wants a kitten as well |
| 23:26 |
NekoGloop |
Oh, hey, the ignore list works. Sweet. |
| 23:26 |
marktraceur |
sokomine: Here, have mine, I feel better |
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* sokomine |
thanksmarktraceur and pats the kitten |
| 23:27 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: A sound choice. |
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Kacey |
:( |
| 23:31 |
Uberi |
was someone giving out kittens? |
| 23:31 |
marktraceur |
Uberi: NekoGloop as always :) |
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marktraceur |
OnlyHuman: Welcome :) |
| 23:32 |
sokomine |
hm. why does it take me so long to connect to redcrab? |
| 23:32 |
Kacey |
welcome OnlyHuman |
| 23:32 |
sokomine |
hi |
| 23:32 |
OnlyHuman |
thanks Kacey |
| 23:33 |
OnlyHuman |
thanks marktraceur |
| 23:33 |
Kacey |
no problem |
| 23:33 |
marktraceur |
OnlyHuman: There's been a not-so-amazing history of packaging for GNU/Linux distros, though it definitely happens |
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* NekoGloop |
hands an espcially fluffy kitten to Uberi |
| 23:34 |
Uberi |
:O |
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OnlyHuman |
marktraceur: I assume its down to a distro dev to build the pkg unless you supply them :) |
| 23:35 |
Uberi |
^(^.^)^ |
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Uberi |
( )~~ |
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Uberi |
o/ mauvebic |
| 23:35 |
mauvebic |
howdy |
| 23:35 |
marktraceur |
OnlyHuman: Basically yeah. We haven't really done anything to my knowledge, so somebody has to get up and do it. |
| 23:36 |
marktraceur |
There might be some work from...0.3.3, which is 0.1.1 versions ago |
| 23:36 |
NekoGloop |
That's only a year ago |
| 23:36 |
NekoGloop |
should still work |
| 23:36 |
NekoGloop |
;-) |
| 23:36 |
marktraceur |
And that was for .deb, I don't know when the .rpm was tried (or if it ever was) |
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Kacey |
https://github.com/celeron55/mesetint |
| 23:37 |
OnlyHuman |
hopefully on forum I posted link to, someone will try on debian using the script that was on your forum |
| 23:37 |
marktraceur |
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=753513 |
| 23:37 |
marktraceur |
0.3.1 RPM |
| 23:39 |
OnlyHuman |
so a redhat rpm was made, have to lookout for it, though dunno if compatable with rpm 5 |
| 23:40 |
NekoGloop |
So more linus users |
| 23:40 |
NekoGloop |
linux even |
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OnlyHuman |
thanks found an old rpm on rpm.pbone.net |
| 23:42 |
marktraceur |
GNU/Linux even :) |
| 23:43 |
OnlyHuman |
a old mandriva the packager name looks familiar too :)@ |
| 23:43 |
NekoGloop |
If you don't say MS-Windows when talking about windows, I don't say GNU/Linux when talking about Linux. |
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meldrian |
good night guys! cuSoon |
| 23:43 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: You also don't say NT when talking about Windows |
| 23:44 |
NekoGloop |
Therefore, saying GNU/Linux is also unnecessary. |
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marktraceur |
NekoGloop: No, because you need to distinguish between the kernel and the OS. |
| 23:45 |
marktraceur |
When I say "Linux hackers" I don't mean the authours of coreutils. |
| 23:45 |
NekoGloop |
Yes but that's you. |
| 23:45 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: How do other people distinguish between the kernel and the OS? |
| 23:46 |
NekoGloop |
By the fact that I don't specify "the Linux OS". |
| 23:46 |
NekoGloop |
:P |
| 23:46 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: Perhaps more importantly, how do you distinguish between GNU/Linux and, say, an Android-type system? |
| 23:46 |
marktraceur |
Which is BusyBox/Linux |
| 23:46 |
marktraceur |
Or Mac OS X, which is BusyBox/XNU IIRC |
| 23:47 |
NekoGloop |
I'm not generalizing to GNU/Linux. If I was, I'd say so. |
| 23:47 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: Well, OK, what does "Linux" mean? To what software are you referring when you say that? |
| 23:47 |
NekoGloop |
Linux OS's on computers, Android phones, etc. |
| 23:48 |
NekoGloop |
I'm generalizing. |
| 23:48 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: So you mean Linux-*based* operating systems. |
| 23:48 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: How do you specify the Linux project? |
| 23:48 |
NekoGloop |
as "the Linux project". If i even knew/cared what that was. |
| 23:49 |
marktraceur |
Hm. |
| 23:49 |
marktraceur |
I'd suggest looking up the meaning of the things whose names you're mistaking before you firmly state that you know what you're saying. |
| 23:50 |
NekoGloop |
But if I don't know I'm making a mistake, how can I attempt to fix it? |
| 23:50 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: By learning. |
| 23:51 |
marktraceur |
You've realized yourself that there's a gap in your understanding. So go fill it. |
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NekoGloop |
It's irrelevant to me. |
| 23:51 |
NekoGloop |
I don't use/care about Linux :l |
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marktraceur |
NekoGloop: But you've stated that you have a firm opinion on the name. It seems unreasonable for you to say such a thing without understanding the things about which you've formed an opinion. |
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Uberi |
marktraceur: too bad that doesn't apply to polititians :P |
| 23:52 |
marktraceur |
Uberi: It does, which is one reason I abstained this last election |
| 23:53 |
marktraceur |
But that's a conversation for another day, perhaps |
| 23:53 |
Uberi |
yep |
| 23:53 |
NekoGloop |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAOVUunwjY boredom |
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jojoa1997 |
yes true boredom |
