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00:00 anunakki joined #minetest
00:01 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ98HvK4pvo
00:01 Kacey for the lulz
00:01 AshleyWaffle kaeza: agreed
00:05 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-E6EkOS-A huh
00:06 jojoa1997 joined #minetest
00:06 sapier kaeza that bug you were talking about does this mean any animation or only animations with keyframes for that bone?
00:06 jojoa1997 kaeza the player faces backwards
00:11 jojoa1997 kaeza can you fix it?
00:16 Kacey bbiab
00:20 sapier left #minetest
00:33 Kacey back
00:34 Kacey any good mods i should download?
00:34 marktraceur Kacey: Yes.
00:34 NekoGloop glooptest.
00:34 NekoGloop [/selfpromotion]
00:34 Kacey marktraceur, what mods
00:36 kaeza computer, irc, and firearms ^_^
00:36 kaeza oh and animplus
00:37 Kacey useful mods (no offense kaeza lol)
00:37 kaeza what's "useful"?
00:37 marktraceur Kacey: Oh, there are plenty
00:38 Kacey as in mesecons and the sort
00:38 kaeza 3dforniture, moreores, mesecons, technic
00:38 marktraceur kaeza: Do you has a link to animplus?
00:38 kaeza https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-animplus-0.1.0.zip
00:38 Menche *self promotion* and desert_uses
00:39 NekoGloop marktraceur: Grammar, where art thou?
00:39 Menche cuz a pick made from red desert stone should be red
00:39 kaeza marktraceur, also, a video demonstrating it: http://youtu.be/edzDAH6-WQU
00:39 * marktraceur was hoping for a forum post but cool
00:40 marktraceur NekoGloop, NekoGloop, wherefore art thou NekoGloop?
00:40 marktraceur kaeza: Your software has no license.
00:40 Kacey !up menche.servegame.com 30001
00:40 Minetest-tan menche.servegame.com:30001 seems to be down
00:40 Kacey nope lol
00:40 kaeza aw cr*p
00:40 marktraceur kaeza: Cool, though
00:41 marktraceur kaeza: You might want to expand the name....I thought it had to do with animals
00:41 Kacey Menche come on my server and check out my RAM units
00:41 kaeza marktraceur, animationplus?
00:41 marktraceur That'd do it
00:41 Kacey 67.190.14.129 port 30000
00:41 Kacey !up 67.190.14.129
00:41 Minetest-tan 67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.317ms)
00:42 Menche !up menche.servegame.com 30001
00:42 Minetest-tan menche.servegame.com:30001 is up (0.302ms)
00:42 kaeza !up 127.0.0.1
00:42 Minetest-tan 127.0.0.1:30000 is up (0.098ms)
00:43 Kacey !up google.com
00:43 Minetest-tan google.com:30000 seems to be down
00:43 Kacey haha
00:43 Kacey !commands
00:43 Kacey !help
00:43 VanessaE can you imagine if the googleplex was running a MT server.  finally, no lag :D
00:43 Kacey !g fail
00:43 Minetest-tan Kacey: http://failblog.cheezburger.com/
00:44 shirish joined #minetest
00:44 marktraceur !mode +q Kacey
00:44 marktraceur Oh, damn, that command doesn't work
00:44 Kacey what?
00:44 marktraceur Guess I'll have to do it by hand if you DON'T QUIT ABUSING THE DAMN BOTS.
00:44 Kacey i get bored like that
00:44 NekoGloop !g chill pill
00:44 Minetest-tan NekoGloop: https://cp.hammerheadcase.com/
00:45 * VanessaE hands marktraceur an @
00:45 VanessaE ;)
00:45 NekoGloop he already had it, no?
00:45 * marktraceur already was +o, but thanks
00:45 VanessaE well now he's doublepluso. ;-)
00:45 VanessaE or I'm just too blind to notice :D
00:45 marktraceur Eventually, I'll be +ooooo and everyone will be in awe of me
00:45 VanessaE lol
00:46 * Kacey is +q'ed
00:47 marktraceur Kacey: No, you're not, but you will be if you continue behaving like a child.
00:47 marktraceur No, child isn't accurate
00:47 Kacey what i am sitting here right now working on my RAM
00:48 marktraceur Kacey: That really doesn't matter to me. You repeatedly abuse the bots and I'm sick of it.
00:48 * Kacey hides in a corner
00:48 kaeza I'd say marktraceur should do a /mode +god marktraceur, but I'm not sure what the 'd' is
00:49 NekoGloop Disapproving
00:49 marktraceur kaeza: There doesn't appear to be one, but it wouldn't matter because I'm an atheist. Becoming god is illogical.
00:49 marktraceur At the very least, I would cease to exist
00:50 kaeza lol true forgot about that
00:50 marktraceur I might take a good chunk of the Universe with me.
00:50 NekoGloop <insert "look out, we got a badass over here" meme>
00:50 kaeza NekoGloop, wrong, it's "watch out..."
00:50 dsimon marktraceur, that doesn't quite follow
00:51 dsimon being an atheist means that you think the count of things that currently exist that qualify as gods is 0
00:51 marktraceur Hm.
00:51 dsimon not that the definition itself is impossible to meet
00:51 marktraceur dsimon: Actually, that's agnosticism
00:52 marktraceur dsimon: I think it's impossible for anything supernatural to exist (so I usually call myself a naturalist, but atheist is more understood and was all I needed for this conversation until now)
00:52 marktraceur dsimon: If I found myself having supernatural powers, I would be convinced that I was not real and choose to not exist
00:52 dsimon ... you would commit suicide because your epistemology was overturned?
00:52 dsimon now that's philosophical stubborness right there
00:53 * kaeza needs a dictionary
00:53 NekoGloop He would simply not accept his own existance.
00:53 marktraceur dsimon: Not suicide, no. It would simply be allowing an illusion to fade, which is logical.
00:53 NekoGloop Me, if that happened I would simply accept that I was incorrect.
00:53 dsimon i'm with neko on this
00:54 dsimon more generally, if there's a you there to make decisions, then that does at least exist
00:54 dsimon "i think therefore i am" and all that
00:54 * Kacey returns partially mad
00:54 marktraceur dsimon: There is, I suppose, a loophole. If my omniscience allowed me to see some fundamental truth that allowed for these powers, I might let it go on. But then, the powers wouldn't be supernatural, because they would be explained by natural causes.
00:54 dsimon marktraceur, so the supernatural is by definition that which cannot be explained?
00:54 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Kacey's head and tells him to calm the fuck down
00:55 marktraceur dsimon: Unless your existence is somehow contradictory to fundamental logic....and supernatural means that it operates outside of the natural world.
00:55 Kacey i guy goes and makes the first RAM in minetest and yet nobody notices
00:55 NekoGloop i guy uses i for 1
00:55 dsimon now 2 guy uses i for 1
00:55 NekoGloop Z guy
00:55 dsimon Z guy!
00:56 kaeza zzz guy
00:56 Kacey but he talks to a bot a few times and it becomes a big deal
00:56 dsimon marktraceur, ok, from another angle then: what definition of "natural" are you using?
00:56 NekoGloop Natural: the normal or unaltered flow of events. (or similar)
00:56 marktraceur dsimon: Nature is a set of universal truths. Think basically maths, physics, and chemistry.
00:57 NekoGloop Yeah, he used more complex words though.
00:57 dsimon ok
00:57 Doc22 joined #minetest
00:57 dsimon so supernatural would be things that are either not universal or not true?
00:57 marktraceur dsimon: Supernatural is something that is not affected by normally-applicable truths.
00:57 dsimon or a subset of that, since not-natural is a superset of supernatural
00:57 kaeza this statement is a lie
00:58 marktraceur dsimon: For example, ignoring physics or chemistry.
00:58 NekoGloop kaeza just made the universe implode
00:58 NekoGloop luckily we had a backup
00:58 VanessaE The following statement is true.
00:58 VanessaE The preceding statement is false.
00:58 NekoGloop I am awes- dammit
00:58 VanessaE lol
00:58 kaeza lol
00:59 dsimon marktraceur, so for example, a supernatural claim would be something like "gravity works everywhere except inside my restaurant"?
00:59 NekoGloop Welcome to #minetest, where we question life, the universe, and everything.
00:59 marktraceur dsimon: Yes, if your restaurant had no gravity and there was no reason for it (like two equal and opposite gravitational forces), that would be supernatural.
00:59 VanessaE NekoGloop: no, we question the *answer* to life, the universe, and everything.
01:00 VanessaE jeez man, get with the program :)
01:00 dsimon well, by "no reason" you mean that it contradicts the laws of physics?
01:00 marktraceur dsimon: Or is not explained by them
01:00 NekoGloop And by extension, they themselves, VanessaE.
01:00 dsimon ok
01:00 dsimon well, suppose that tomorrow you find just such a restaurant
01:00 marktraceur Right.
01:00 dsimon and you along with a team of experts verify to a high degree of confidence that the claim is actually true
01:01 kaeza NekoGloop, if a supernatural entity didn't exist, then where do the nodes come from? Atheists: 0, Christians: 0, Voxelians: 1
01:01 NekoGloop dsimon: conclusion: marktraceur's mind literally == blown
01:01 NekoGloop ;-)
01:01 Exio i suppose tomorrow i will be a bird so today i will jump from the top of my house to the ground
01:02 VanessaE kaeza: the universe is based on an outdated version of irrlicht, so most it had to be hacked together in Perl to make up the difference ;)
01:02 dsimon exio, you should probably wait til tomorrow
01:02 marktraceur dsimon: If that were the case, I would be certain that I was in the middle of an illusion of some sort.
01:02 marktraceur dsimon: But not much else would come of it.
01:02 Exio marktraceur: a dream!
01:02 dsimon marktraceur, that's actually probably what i would think also
01:02 kaeza Perl... that's why the syntax and grammar of most of us sucks
01:02 VanessaE yup
01:03 VanessaE when you code with line noise, your creations are gonna sound like it ;)
01:03 NekoGloop There are 42 lines of code that make up the human object
01:03 marktraceur Exio: My favorite philosophical work is "A Dialogue on Personal Identity and Immortality" by John Perry, it has some things to say about that
01:03 NekoGloop (see what i did there)
01:03 marktraceur (about being a bird)
01:03 marktraceur dsimon: What was your point?
01:03 dsimon but that's beside the point, since the source of the illusion would itself have to be implemented by some sort of system of physics
01:03 marktraceur This is true.
01:03 dsimon (or if it's nested, then you maybe have to go up more steps, but same idea)
01:04 marktraceur Well, wait.
01:04 marktraceur It could also be created by me.
01:04 dsimon yes
01:04 marktraceur The dream hypothesis is a good one, for example.
01:04 dsimon yah
01:04 dsimon but then your dreaming self has to be implemented by something
01:05 VanessaE so you're saying we're all in the matrix or something? :)
01:05 dsimon and furthermore that something probably is mostly or entirely non-random, since otherwise it's pretty damn hard to see how you'd get a sane mind
01:05 marktraceur Though if a team of experts and I could determine that there was _no_ cause for the lack of gravity, then we probably ruled out the possibility of a simulated universe.
01:05 dsimon how so?
01:05 Exio VanessaE: ssh, nobody knows that
01:05 Exio nobody should know it, too
01:05 marktraceur dsimon: In order to say that nothing explains the lack of gravity, we need to rule out any plausible options. A simulated universe is one such option.
01:05 NekoGloop VanessaE: That is the most likely cause for the universe as we know it.
01:06 marktraceur Actually, not even plausible. Possible.
01:06 dsimon marktraceur, that's pretty much what i'm driving at
01:06 VanessaE NekoGloop: in that case, we're gonna have to figure out how to port minetest to the real world. :)
01:06 marktraceur I don't follow.
01:06 VanessaE or the computers therein anyway
01:06 NekoGloop However, the "matrix", as you put it, would need to have been created in a world where there are some kind of physics apply.
01:06 dsimon if you find something REALLY weird, that doesn't mean your epistemology should just halt and catch fire
01:07 dsimon you just figure that the base-level system of physics you're used to is actually not base-level but implemented in terms of something else
01:07 marktraceur dsimon: But I was talking about a special case, not the general idea of weirdness.
01:07 dsimon i think this applies to that situation as well
01:07 kaeza dsimon, you clearly have not seen at the MT C++ code :)
01:07 dsimon if you discovered that you were god (i.e. you woke up tomorrow and were omnipotent)
01:07 marktraceur dsimon: If I were to suddenly find myself omnipotent, I would still be aware of the illusion, unless I found some reason for it. If I became of an illusion and were omnipotent, I would halt the illusion.
01:08 marktraceur dsimon: If I simply found a supernatural restaurant, I would have insufficient power to halt anything.
01:08 NekoGloop If someone could create fire by flicking their fingers, would you kill them to stop the inexplicible event?
01:08 VanessaE I'd use that omnipotence to bring peace to the world, but that's just me.
01:08 marktraceur became aware*
01:08 dsimon if you became aware that you were an illusion, and halted that illusion
01:08 dsimon i'm claiming that that's tantamount to suicide
01:08 marktraceur dsimon: Only if the illusion isn't an illusion, which I would know if I were omniscient.
01:09 NekoGloop marktraceur: see my above comment
01:09 marktraceur NekoGloop: It depends on a lot of factors and I'm in the middle of a different scenario
01:09 dsimon marktraceur, what definition of "illusion" are you using?
01:10 dsimon i think that's where i'm getting confused
01:10 marktraceur dsimon: Perceiving things incorrectly, or things that do not exist.
01:10 marktraceur Hm, maybe not
01:10 dsimon ok
01:10 marktraceur Wait up, actually, that exposes some faults.
01:10 dsimon this is shakier ground, but
01:11 marktraceur Because whatever illusion I say "doesn't exist" actually does.
01:11 dsimon i think that if you are aware of your own existence, then that existence cannot be illusory
01:11 marktraceur It's true.
01:11 marktraceur OK, your point is made, actually.
01:11 dsimon ok, cool
01:11 NekoGloop Illusion: Clouding of the mind or optical abilities to cause supernatural or abnormal events to be perceived.
01:11 marktraceur If I were to wake up omnipotent, I would assume it was an illusion, but I would enjoy it regardless.
01:11 VanessaE In other words, "I think, therefore I am."
01:12 marktraceur This brings in a possible regression, actually.
01:12 marktraceur If the illusion halts upon someone realizing that it's an illusion, then it would be impossible for me to continue using the illusion, because I'm omniscient, but possible for me to stop the illusion from halting, because I'm omnipotent.
01:13 marktraceur A twist on the "if God is all-powerful it's possible for him to not know something, but he's also supposedly all-knowing"
01:13 dsimon there must be at least one part of it that's not an illusion, though
01:13 dsimon which is the part that's aware of itself making this decision
01:13 NekoGloop Such as the part where he's sitting at home drunk, dsimon?
01:13 dsimon or, scratch "making this decision"
01:13 dsimon just the part that's aware of itself
01:13 marktraceur dsimon: Well, my consciousness is the only thing that must be real
01:13 dsimon yah
01:14 dsimon and if you halt the illusion, would that continue to exist?
01:14 dsimon i was getting the impression you expected it not to, but that might be a misunderstanding
01:14 marktraceur dsimon: Presumably the concept would exist, but the illusion itself would be gone. If I continued to be omnipotent for some reason, then I would be able to resume it.
01:15 marktraceur dsimon: Though actually, now that I think about it, I wouldn't be omnipotent
01:15 dsimon or create a new one
01:15 marktraceur dsimon: If I were omnipotent, I would be aware of the illusion and able to affect the outside world somehow.
01:15 dsimon yeah
01:15 marktraceur dsimon: But that wouldn't make any sense, because then I would be omnipotent outside the illusion, making that world an illusion also.
01:15 dsimon let's back down from "omnipotent" then, that word is always troublesome anyways
01:16 dsimon er, wait, what?
01:16 marktraceur Especially when people pronounce it "om-nee-POH-tent"
01:16 dsimon are you saying that being omnipotent in a universe implies that that universe is an illusion?
01:16 dsimon (and here i am not letting that word drop...)
01:16 NekoGloop om-ni-poh-TENT
01:16 marktraceur dsimon: I'm saying that it *requires* that the universe is an illusion.
01:17 dsimon hm
01:17 dsimon ok
01:17 dsimon so suppose we're talking about the matrix
01:17 dsimon do the contents of the matrix exist?
01:18 dsimon actually, let's say it's an improved matrix
01:18 dsimon no brains in jars, the people are just purely software, but they're still self-aware
01:18 marktraceur They exist, yes.
01:18 marktraceur Or at least, I exist, assuming that I'm part of this worlfd.
01:18 marktraceur world*
01:18 dsimon yeah
01:18 marktraceur Hm, we should take this somewhere else
01:19 dsimon well, this is the chatter room
01:19 marktraceur ##philosophy-of-minetest
01:19 dsimon but actually, i think i'm done at this point
01:19 Exio i think the channel is right
01:19 marktraceur Oh, K
01:20 dsimon assuming we're in agreement that conscious beings must exist or else they're not conscious, then that was all i was getting at
01:20 marktraceur dsimon: Thanks mate, fun times.
01:20 dsimon np
01:22 * kaeza is going to do 2 shitty posts and then the big 500th one
01:22 marktraceur kaeza: That's the....spirit?
01:23 * VanessaE readies the [Delete Post] button........ :D
01:23 Exio big 500th one == sending 10 USD to every mt user? >:D
01:24 VanessaE I could use $10 for sure :D
01:24 kaeza maybe I'll post in one of Exio's posts...
01:24 kaeza oh wait! he has none! :D
01:25 Exio i don't have anything non-crap to post
01:25 VanessaE kaeza: you could always add something to the moretrees thread to help improve its visibility :D
01:25 kaeza "*BUMP*" -- Kaeza
01:26 VanessaE heh
01:28 NekoGloop That is the most intelligent thing I've heard all day.
01:28 NekoGloop Shows how much I've been paying attention when people are talking.
01:29 kaeza lol check the 2 posts that follow: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66593#p66593
01:30 * Kacey returns still mad
01:31 kaeza hmm... seems sfan5's crawler didn't see one of my mods
01:48 Kacey ok im over it for the most part
01:50 Kacey kaeza, want to see my RAM units?
01:51 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on kaeza
01:52 Menche joined #minetest
01:54 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Menche's other computer
01:54 Menche a;jowiefjwoiqOWE
01:55 * Menche takes the kitten off his computer
01:56 * Kacey walks over to OldCoder's pile
01:56 * Kacey jumps in
01:57 * Menche spawns 10,000 kittens
01:57 * Menche uses a can opener next to Kacey then runs
01:57 VanessaE damn it Menche use less drastic abms.
01:57 VanessaE 10,000 in one shot is gonna cause serious lag.
01:57 VanessaE :)
01:57 Kacey laa-aa-aa-aa-aa-aa-aa la-a-aaa-aa-aa-aa-aa
01:58 Kacey lag
01:58 Kacey what?
02:00 kaeza VanessaE, can you take a look at this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66662#p66662
02:01 VanessaE shall I ban?
02:01 kaeza dunno, you are the mod
02:01 NekoGloop At least they haven't started using jeff the killer avatars
02:01 kaeza s/the/a/
02:01 Menche wow
02:01 NekoGloop Don't look it up, if you want to sleep tonight.
02:02 kaeza NekoGloop, IKR
02:02 * Kacey has to look it up
02:02 VanessaE Abrasive language deleted.
02:02 VanessaE he does it again and he's banned.
02:03 Kacey http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/065/2/4/jeff_the_killer___creepypasta_by_marceloryuuku-d4rydzb.jpg
02:03 NekoGloop aaaaaaaaaahahahah...
02:03 Kacey he is cute
02:03 VanessaE oy.
02:04 * VanessaE gets the eye bleach
02:04 NekoGloop Good thing I can't use mibbit here, embedded images and all... >.>
02:05 NekoGloop Kacey is one twisted son of a bitch.
02:05 Kacey @,,,@
02:05 kaeza VanessaE, thanks :)
02:06 * Kacey drinks the bleach
02:06 NekoGloop Dat smile... *shudders*
02:07 Kacey go to sleep
02:07 Kacey *trollface*
02:07 NekoGloop lol, it's only bad if i actually LOOKED at the image
02:08 NekoGloop I can read links before clicking on them, y'know.
02:08 NekoGloop inb4 tinyurl.
02:09 NekoGloop personally, merely linking to that image should be an immediate and outright ban.
02:10 NekoGloop It actually is, in a few places.
02:11 NekoGloop On account of "trolling" and/or "user harrassment"
02:12 kaeza is there a service that does the inverse of shadyurl? lol
02:12 kaeza I mean, give away pretty links
02:13 Kacey http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24232776.jpg
02:13 NekoGloop No.
02:14 NekoGloop It's pretty easy to tell you put jeff's image under text that says "GO TO SLEEP"
02:14 Kacey no it is different
02:14 NekoGloop Seeing as this is pretty much outrught trolling now, can we have +q, VanessaE?
02:14 Kacey creepier in fact
02:14 VanessaE huh what?
02:14 VanessaE sorry, wasn't paying attention
02:15 NekoGloop on Kacey.
02:15 NekoGloop outright, even.
02:15 VanessaE Kacey: enough with the shock sites.
02:16 Kacey http://stuffpoint.com/kittens/image/150748-kittens-cute-kitten.jpg sowwy
02:16 NekoGloop Still not clicking.
02:17 VanessaE actually that one is really cute
02:17 VanessaE a little white and brown kitten playing with a houseplant
02:17 NekoGloop I, honestly, stopped clicking all his links a month ago.
02:18 Kacey would a link that says cute kitten be a scary picture (unless you are absolutely terrified of kittens)
02:19 NekoGloop You could have named it differently before uploading it
02:19 dsimon because files are never mislabelled on the internet
02:19 VanessaE Kacey: it is impossible to know what's on the other side of a link.  it could just as well have been goatse.
02:19 NekoGloop Because slenderman.
02:19 Kacey idea
02:19 VanessaE Kacey: already been tried.
02:19 Kacey but i wont do it to you guys
02:19 VanessaE moltenbot.
02:20 NekoGloop If we only had had a SINGLE bot to do that, then we wouldn't have had a problem.
02:21 NekoGloop But nooooooo, we had to have two of them do the same goddamn thing.
02:21 kaeza http://cheezburger.com/7010845184
02:21 VanessaE yup.
02:31 Kacey you must be careful...
02:31 NekoGloop Was anyone brave enough to click the memegenerator link? what's it say?
02:32 * Menche would if others were'nt looking at his screen
02:32 NekoGloop Ha.
02:33 NekoGloop It's fairly safe to say it's jeffie.
02:34 NekoGloop random song to put my mind to ease: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMSL2X3rGPI
02:34 hmmmm we're going to jeffie's house!
02:35 NekoGloop OH HELL NAW.
02:35 hmmmm damn you crazy boy, jeffie is a garden hose. </meatwad>
02:35 Kacey ooh i want to go
02:35 VanessaE <voice="Gabriel Iglesias">[siren effect] Jeffie, this is the police.  We have your father and are coming back for you in one hour.  Do your homework.</voice>
02:37 Kacey hhaha
02:37 NekoGloop I don't understand that reference...
02:37 VanessaE NekoGloop: it's from one of his Comedy Central specials.
02:38 NekoGloop I don't watch comedy central :)
02:38 VanessaE DVD/Blu_Ray of course.  I forget which one ("I'm Not Fat, I'm Fluffy" or "Hot and Fluffy")
02:38 VanessaE look those up.  buy 'em.  laugh your ASS off.
02:39 NekoGloop Autonomous Stupidity Service?
02:39 VanessaE heh
02:39 VanessaE Anterior Soft Section
02:39 VanessaE :)
02:40 dsimon heh
02:40 NekoGloop lol
02:43 Kacey donkey?
02:44 NekoGloop Stop being a donkey, Kacey.
02:44 Kacey yep im a jackass
02:45 Kacey i love me
02:49 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_XGxzMrq04 dont mine at nigh video
02:50 NekoGloop Not clicking.
02:50 kaeza Kacey, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
02:51 kaeza that's my new version of the moving heads
02:51 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaAdskhtspA
02:52 Kacey i have that on my phone lol
02:53 VanessaE lol...the good old rickroll is still going stong I see :)
02:53 VanessaE strong*
02:54 VanessaE NekoGloop: looks almost like a mouse-driven equivalent to DDR or so
02:54 Kacey haha try 5 of your moving heads
02:55 NekoGloop VanessaE: Click the circles.
02:55 NekoGloop It's a hell of a lot harder than it looks.
02:55 VanessaE I'll bet.
02:55 NekoGloop It's like entirely unforgiving with the accuraccy.
02:56 Kacey night all
02:56 VanessaE nigh
02:56 VanessaE t
02:56 Kacey one last thing
02:56 Kacey "go to sleep"
03:01 NekoGloop K, go to sleep then.
03:01 VanessaE no. :)(
03:01 NekoGloop Indeed.
03:03 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj6Y2l3KOjs Back to the music to set my mind at ease
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03:05 * jojoa1997 pokes VanessaE
03:06 * NekoGloop kicks RPG Maker 2003
03:06 NekoGloop Get your shit together!
03:06 VanessaE heh
03:06 jojoa1997 ...
03:06 NekoGloop I'd also like to kick the person who made the character sets that i'm using
03:06 NekoGloop Apparently I can't have a female pirate.
03:07 jojoa1997 what character sets?
03:07 kaeza NekoGloop, why not use default ones?
03:07 NekoGloop First Seed Material
03:07 kaeza inb4 overused
03:07 NekoGloop kaeza: That and I just don't like them.
03:07 * jojoa1997 wha zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz
03:07 VanessaE NekoGloop: of course not, she'd be a wench then :-)
03:08 VanessaE or something.
03:08 kaeza </badjoke>
03:08 NekoGloop VanessaE: BUT I ALREADY HAD A FEMALE PIRATE IN MY STORYLINE DD:
03:08 VanessaE sowwy
03:08 jojoa1997 what this for?
03:08 VanessaE I'm sure you can figure out a solution :-)
03:09 NekoGloop like use this one that isn't particularly masculine
03:09 VanessaE I was thinking more like change your storyline to focus on a different sort of female character.
03:09 NekoGloop Well she's not exactly feminine either ;-)
03:10 VanessaE ok so make her a biker bitch then :)
03:10 NekoGloop lol
03:10 VanessaE or something
03:10 NekoGloop I don't have that either.
03:10 NekoGloop And the character would be the method that you can travel the oceans.
03:10 NekoGloop You'd obtain a ship and the character at the same time.
03:10 kaeza NekoGloop, what about your amazing artistic talents?
03:11 NekoGloop HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
03:11 NekoGloop AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
03:11 NekoGloop Nice one.
03:12 kaeza just take the charset as base, edit it a bit, and you have your very own creations
03:12 NekoGloop http://www.tekepon.net/fsm/modules/refmap/index.php?mode=chara MY horribad artistic skills on these marvellous perfections?!
03:12 kaeza do you think all games create the sprites from scratch?
03:13 NekoGloop (press the english button in the topright corner)
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03:15 kaeza those seem pretty cool
03:15 NekoGloop kaeza: They ARE.
03:15 kaeza wat
03:15 NekoGloop hm?
03:15 NekoGloop ;)
03:16 kaeza lol I fell for that one
03:16 NekoGloop I'm gooooood ;-)
03:19 kaeza hey! your new textures for the default game were not bad at all
03:19 kaeza just go for it boy (...girl?)
03:19 NekoGloop I'm whichever one you call me.
03:19 NekoGloop ;)
03:21 NekoGloop And those were very simple edits on a very simple (A WHOLE 3 COLOR) sprite.
03:26 NekoGloop Now, if only finding the BattleCharaSet sprites in this folder were easy.
03:26 NekoGloop http://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/10710/?post=356016#post356016 This person didn't make it easy to find them.
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03:29 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Menche's head
03:29 * Menche takes kitten off
03:29 Menche a;jwio3fjawiojfo23ajwofie;aosidjf4i
03:29 * Menche takes kitten off of keyboard
03:30 NekoGloop lol
03:30 VanessaE haha
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04:02 VanessaE bored...
04:02 NekoGloop (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)
04:02 * VanessaE rights the affected table.
04:03 NekoGloop (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)
04:03 VanessaE ok, that's 10 seconds.  now what?
04:03 NekoGloop :D
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04:06 NekoGloop ︵ is a lego block on my screen
04:07 Menche its an upward curve on mine
04:07 NekoGloop only cause I don't have pretty character support.
04:08 VanessaE upwards curve on mine also.
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04:08 Menche yay UTF-8!
04:08 * jojoa1997 pokes everyone
04:08 * Menche blocks poke
04:08 * VanessaE puts a kitten on jojoa1997's head
04:08 * jojoa1997 snuggles with kitten\
04:09 * jojoa1997 purrs
04:09 * kaeza posts random sh*t on the forums to increase post count
04:09 * NekoGloop plays Clinging Mists to prevent combat damage from the poke
04:09 NekoGloop Magic: The Gathering obscure-ass reference ftw.
04:10 * jojoa1997 didnt realize how much he posts
04:10 * jojoa1997 has more than VanessaE
04:10 NekoGloop Like hell you didn't.
04:10 kaeza lol
04:10 NekoGloop You're spamming one-line posts all over.
04:10 kaeza 30 posts/day almost
04:10 NekoGloop Some are bragging about post count...
04:10 jojoa1997 first of all
04:11 jojoa1997 some of them are answers that dont need paragraphs
04:11 jojoa1997 second
04:11 jojoa1997 sometimes i accidentally post twice and delete
04:11 Menche sometimes I accidentally hit "reply" rather than "edit"
04:11 jojoa1997 well alot acually stupid internet with its slow connection
04:12 Menche the location of the buttons was changed
04:12 NekoGloop Third, you spam the forum with entirely unneccessary posts.
04:12 * Menche doesn't like posts that just say "+1"
04:12 kaeza jojoa1997, you will accidentally the forum
04:12 Menche they're kinda pointless
04:12 NekoGloop Yeah, at least quote something to +1 at...
04:12 kaeza Menche, +1
04:12 Menche and are banned on some forums
04:12 Menche lo
04:12 Menche lolk
04:12 kaeza C wut I did thur?
04:12 Menche *lol
04:12 * Menche can't type
04:12 * NekoGloop can't internet.
04:14 VanessaE I have 1131 legit posts.  S :P
04:14 jojoa1997 btw i am trying to post less
04:14 VanessaE when I hit 1337, I'm leaving the forums for a day or two just to let it sit there ;)
04:14 NekoGloop I have 1337 totally legit posts.
04:14 NekoGloop ffffff--
04:14 VanessaE NekoGloop: ninja'd again :D
04:14 Menche i think i've been on the forum longer and i have only 702
04:15 jojoa1997 ii know i have stopped myself from posting about 20 times today
04:15 Menche celeron himself only has 303
04:15 jojoa1997 yeah but how much time do you spend watching the forums
04:16 * jojoa1997 is leaving
04:16 VanessaE heh
04:16 gone fail
04:16 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIilcuF-6kE
04:17 kaeza learn from the GloopMaster
04:17 jojoa1997 kaeza do you have any ideas to add to firearms like maybe having guns need ammo to shoot
04:18 NekoGloop Who has like 303 posts or some shit like that.
04:18 NekoGloop 241
04:18 kaeza NekoGloop, I meant about the /me has quit
04:18 VanessaE what can I say, I'm an obsessive blabbermouth on the forums :)
04:18 * jojoa1997 deletes all his posts
04:18 * NekoGloop has quit (kaeza)
04:18 jojoa1997 but still keeps the number
04:18 kaeza jojoa1997 has accidentally teh forumz!!
04:18 jojoa1997 just to repost and double it
04:19 jojoa1997 what that mean
04:19 jojoa1997 and also i have been home for the last 5 weeks on vacation/sick so i have time
04:20 kaeza that was real
04:20 kaeza lol
04:21 kaeza VanessaE, not just on the forums :D
04:21 VanessaE :P
04:21 VanessaE this is the part where celeron55 is supposed to chime in with some snarky comment :_)
04:21 VanessaE :)
04:21 jojoa1997 Americans are blabber mouths
04:22 VanessaE jojoa1997: yep, every last one of them.
04:22 VanessaE :)
04:22 hmmmm stupid americans
04:22 hmmmm they're all obese and eat hamburgers and they're loud and obnoxious
04:22 jojoa1997 smart and talkative americans
04:22 kaeza I'm SOUTH american,
04:22 hmmmm smart?
04:22 jojoa1997 fine
04:22 jojoa1997 USAians
04:25 jojoa1997 cricket cricket cricket cricket
04:27 kaeza http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket
04:27 * Menche runs /clearobjects and gets rid of all the crickets
04:28 jojoa1997 https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;tbo=d&amp;biw=1366&amp;bih=653&amp;tbm=isch&amp;q=cricket+bug&amp;revid=2061437350&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=bP4FUamxCKaW0QHGsoHACQ&amp;ved=0CJIBEIMW
04:29 kaeza silly, bugs don't play cricket!
04:29 kaeza trollolol
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04:31 kaeza NekoGloop, enjoying auto-identify?
04:31 NekoGloop BY THE ALMIGHTY POWER INVESTED IN MY IPAD BY WIFI I WILL JOIN FREENODE DAMMIT.
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04:32 jojoa1997 hate when i press the x
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04:35 kaeza well...
04:36 kaeza are you in or not jojoa1997 ?
04:36 jojoa1997 joinin what
04:36 kaeza duh
04:36 jojoa1997 in hunger games yes
04:36 jojoa1997 i am waiting with bearbar123
04:37 kaeza I'll be destroying someone's house in the meantime ok?
04:37 jojoa1997 are you going to join us
04:38 kaeza oh very original...a creeper...
04:38 jojoa1997 will you come to the hunger games?
04:38 kaeza ...
04:39 jojoa1997 what do you mean creeper
04:39 kaeza I'm in duh
04:39 jojoa1997 no
04:39 jojoa1997 0gb.us 30002
04:39 jojoa1997 that one?
04:40 kaeza yup
05:11 VanessaE zzz
05:15 * NekoGloop wakes up VanessaE
05:15 VanessaE bleh
05:16 * VanessaE throws almonds at NekoGloop
05:16 * NekoGloop om nom nom
05:16 VanessaE hehe
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05:17 VanessaE These are Blue Diamond "sea" salt "natural" variety.
05:17 VanessaE quite good.
05:23 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66741#p66741
05:24 kaeza ^_^
05:24 VanessaE :D
05:24 VanessaE "somewhat" standardized?  :P
05:24 kaeza oh
05:24 kaeza lol
05:25 * kaeza phailed
05:25 VanessaE and thanks :)
05:26 kaeza ok is that better? :P
05:26 kaeza yw :P
05:26 VanessaE :D
05:27 kaeza good gosh edits don't count as posts :P
05:27 VanessaE nope
05:28 kaeza (I'd prolly surpass jojoa if they did lol)
05:28 VanessaE hahaha
05:29 VanessaE in that case I'd beat out Jordach by about 10x :)
05:30 VanessaE I'm almost never satisfied with the content of my posts, even days later I might spot something that's just "wrong" :)
05:31 kaeza hah
05:47 OldCoder Howdy
05:47 OldCoder kaeza, PM
05:50 NekoGloop I want pie.
05:51 * VanessaE hands NekoGloop a card reading "3.14159265"
05:52 NekoGloop I got the same thing in both the channels i said that in.
05:52 VanessaE haha
05:52 NekoGloop A card with exactly those digits of pi.
05:52 NekoGloop Granted, it was thrown at me in the other one.
05:52 VanessaE that's because I can't remember it consistently past that point :-)
05:53 VanessaE as for the other person.  heh
06:01 kaeza lol somebody didn't get the joke http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66621#p66621
06:01 VanessaE heh
06:02 kaeza or...is Likwid trolling back? O.o
06:09 * VanessaE shrugs
06:09 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye4ZFA5OtKI holy shit 200 voices
06:13 NekoGloop If you hear this many voices, you seriously need to see a professional.
06:17 VanessaE ok, time for me to head to bed.
06:17 VanessaE night
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06:22 kaeza night V
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07:45 thexyz meanwhile in russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuOuowxunJE
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10:15 kaeza thexyz, you here?
10:15 kaeza or for that matter, any other forum mod?
10:15 kaeza SPAM: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66773#p66773
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10:16 thexyz yep
10:17 kaeza ok thanks!
10:17 kaeza ^_^
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10:41 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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10:49 kaeza 'ey
10:51 berome hello kaeza
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11:02 kaeza lol I just love how people say "The mod is broken" and expects one to read their minds to find what is the actual error
11:03 PilzAdam are you talking about the post in the beds mod topic?
11:03 kaeza that and a lot more topics
11:04 kaeza like that "guillesomething" guy posting just "lua error" everywhere
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11:22 kaeza Taoki, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edzDAH6-WQU
11:23 Taoki kaeza: Oh my! But how?
11:23 kaeza Manual animation
11:23 Taoki Did the issue with bone rotations in LUA get fixed with latest Irrlicht?
11:23 kaeza purely in Lua
11:23 Taoki Yes, I added that myself. But it was broken with latest Irrlicht
11:24 kaeza I mean, all the bones are animated manually
11:25 kaeza but now I hit another prob
11:25 Taoki Yeah. But are you using the UA functions that were already there?
11:25 kaeza yup
11:25 kaeza based off player.lua
11:25 Taoki Good. It means they were fixed in Irrlicht. I added them there for when they would work :)
11:25 Taoki Does animation blending work as well? that was the second thing that had problems
11:26 kaeza nope
11:26 kaeza :/
11:26 Taoki ok. So it still breaks animation right?
11:26 Taoki If you set it to anything other than 0
11:26 kaeza https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-animplus-0.1.0.zip
11:27 kaeza WTFPL
11:27 kaeza or whatever the original player.lua is released as
11:27 Taoki Sure. I'll try it soon. Feel free to add it to git too if you wish, if not I can do that
11:27 kaeza unfortunately, it consumes too much bandwidth
11:28 Taoki Yeah, updates need to be sent more rarely
11:28 kaeza peaked at ~150KBps on VE server
11:28 Taoki Can you add a customizable timer in the script?
11:28 kaeza yeah
11:29 Taoki Ok, that would help a lot. Can default it to 0.1 and it wouldn't be a very big difference visually.
11:32 kaeza gonna test now with 0.1
11:37 kaeza hmm
11:38 kaeza 01 seems to work fine, albeit a bit too jerky
11:38 kaeza 0.1*
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11:40 kaeza 0.2 seems to also work well
11:49 Taoki 0.1 sounds right to me
11:49 Taoki kaeza: Also: Can you add a check to only update it if the bone rotation has changed? So it doesn't send it for idle players too
11:49 Taoki Actually... that's something I should be doing in the code
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11:50 kaeza working on it
11:50 Taoki Thanks
11:52 Taoki Might do it in the code later, so until then a check in LUA would be good. Add a comment too please, saying "TODO: Prevent sanding unchanged rotations in the code instead" or something like that
11:52 Taoki Or amybe not... only if you want to. That part doesn't matter :P
11:52 Taoki **sending
11:58 Taoki kaeza: Nah... this is best done un LUA really, for now at least. So please add a limiter there, to eg: Only update the rotation once the mouse is moved. You could check if the rotation value itself changed, but if you can make it so the line only runs when when someone turns the mouse or YAW itself changes, that would be great
11:59 kaeza done
11:59 Taoki Might have to do some tweaks myself to make sure it matches everything else there, but I'm not that good at LUA yet
11:59 kaeza for now, idle players do not get updated
11:59 Taoki yay. Send me the script file if you wish (no need to make it a zip, you can pastebin it
11:59 kaeza and head bone is only rotated on pitch change
11:59 Taoki excellent :)
11:59 Taoki Great work, thanks for making this
12:00 kaeza ok
12:00 Taoki Pastebin the script and I can take care of the rest
12:00 kaeza gimme a sec
12:00 kaeza don't blame me about the mess that is my code :P
12:00 Taoki np
12:00 Taoki Erm... I wonder if I can test it though. Irrlicht is still the same version for me, so I might still see broken animations
12:01 kaeza http://pastebin.com/znFQDyQS
12:01 Taoki I have Irrlicht 1.8. I assume you use 1.9
12:01 kaeza nope
12:01 kaeza I only use set_bone_position()
12:02 Taoki What's your exact version of Irrlicht?
12:02 kaeza 1.7.2
12:03 Taoki Ah. Maybe it GOT broken in 1.8
12:03 Taoki Any chance you could compile MT with 1.8?
12:03 Exio i'm using 1.8
12:03 Taoki Exio: Please test kaeza's script then, just to be sure
12:04 Taoki If it is indeed an 1.8 issue, I'll do some tweaks then I'll send you the updated script to test if if that's ok, kaeza. Since you have 1.7
12:04 kaeza it needs the b3d model
12:04 Taoki b3d model?
12:05 kaeza https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/100
12:05 Taoki Ah. That's no good kinda.. x was better
12:05 Taoki Are animations the same and everything else?
12:06 Taoki Also, how do you export b3d from Blender? For me it wouldn't work
12:06 Taoki x was a slo a text format, those are usually better
12:07 kaeza yeah, but this is what happens using the .x model http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTk8ktb466g
12:07 Taoki Yes, that's the Irrlicht issue I kept mentioning
12:07 Taoki It's because Irrlicht has a problem
12:08 kaeza I just user the model from sapier's commit. dunno about how he converted it
12:08 kaeza used*
12:09 kaeza Exio, This is a direct link to the model used: https://github.com/sapier/minetest_game/raw/9539636d16e5af2e6ffdff4259fe2b43a1a97b3b/mods/default/models/character.b3d
12:10 kaeza just put it in a "models" dir to have it transferred
12:10 kaeza (used by the game)
12:11 Exio well, what i need to do is just placing it in my default folder and then place the script where? replace the player.lua in default?
12:11 Taoki kaeza: So with the b3d model, animation blending still doesn't work? What happens if you enable it?
12:12 kaeza I guess it wouldn't work, but lemme try
12:13 kaeza how do I "enable it"?
12:13 Taoki kaeza: There should be a function for animation blending, I'll look in a minute
12:14 Taoki Also, please see my comment here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/100
12:17 Taoki But the b3d model is good for testing this
12:17 kaeza I agree with that. This is more of an experiment than an actual mod/fix/whatever.
12:18 Taoki Yeah. So it shouldn't be a pull request really
12:19 kaeza I didn't intend to do a pull request from this one. I planned to post this in the forums just because.
12:20 kaeza Actually, I was a bit bored when I made this :P
12:22 Taoki Yeah, Sapier made the pull request
12:22 Taoki I'll look for that function now
12:22 kaeza also, the main goal of sapier's pull request was to make a smaller file
12:22 kaeza (and because apparently the b3d format is more flexible)
12:23 Taoki kaeza: Ahhh. Your script has a major problem though. You replaced all animations with LUA coded ones
12:23 kaeza that's what I was trying to tell you all the time :P
12:23 Taoki That's really not a good thing IMO. General animations should stay as they are. Only the head bone should be coded
12:23 Taoki yeah. In that case it's not a good thing I believe
12:24 Taoki kaeza: Is it possible to only thance the head bone?
12:24 Taoki **change
12:24 kaeza not really, due to the bug
12:24 Taoki right. Best to wait until Irrlicht 1.9 then
12:25 Taoki The patch you made is good as a test, but not ready this way
12:26 Taoki To be sure, I'll post a bug report on the Irrlicht bugtracker directly, and link your videos too as an example
12:26 kaeza as I said, I did not do it to be included in main game, it was just out of boredom, so yeah.
12:27 Taoki yeah. The feature will be included... just when it can be done correctly
12:27 Taoki But it is a nice test :)
12:27 kaeza k :)
12:28 kaeza I wonder...
12:28 kaeza just how old is Irrlicht?
12:28 kaeza cause some major games use it
12:28 kaeza how did this go unnoticed so long?
12:29 kaeza but meh, this is not the place to discuss this
12:29 Taoki not sure exactly, but prolly old
12:31 kaeza well... I guess most games use predefined animations anyway
12:31 kaeza and not really modifying things on the fly
12:31 Taoki Yeah. Skeletal animations are one of the main reasons why I added 3D players
12:32 Taoki There is no limit to the quality a mesh can have. You could add a player model with tons of polygons and textures as big as 4096 x 4096 :)
12:32 * kaeza will add CS:GO models ^_^
12:34 Taoki CS:GO?
12:34 kaeza but these 3d players are just awesome, it's a shame nothing can be done about this small issue
12:34 kaeza Counter Strike: Global Offensive
12:34 kaeza lol H/K
12:34 kaeza J/K*
12:35 Taoki Well theoretically, you can add those models if you can convert the animations properly :)
12:36 Taoki And it will when the next version of Irrlicht will be out hopefully. Just takes some waiting
12:38 Taoki kaeza: Please keep the two Youtube videos you linked here on your channel and don't remove them. I'll be linking them in the bug reports to Irrlicht
12:38 Taoki BRB
12:45 kaeza Taoki, I have also a video featuring the bug proper
12:45 kaeza only the head rotates, although I call set_animation()
12:47 kaeza here you can see it for a brief period: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q__SiQJojQU
12:53 kaeza trollolol http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66816#p66816
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12:58 Taoki I saw that video yeah
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13:07 Taoki kaeza: When using B3D, does that issue happen in any form any more? I need to know if it's an issue with the x format specifically
13:07 kaeza yes
13:08 Taoki thanks
13:08 kaeza the difference between using b3d and x is that somehow the bone orientations are not the same
13:09 kaeza or something along the lines
13:09 Taoki That part is probably normal, a lot of things can be different when exporting a lesh
13:09 Taoki **mesh
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13:35 sfan5 lol
13:35 sfan5 [  1399.494] Warning: Xalloc: requesting unpleasantly large amount of memory: 0 bytes.
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14:13 kaeza thexyz, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66818#p66818
14:19 Exio http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=4153
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14:21 jojoa1997 VanessaE...
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14:25 Kacey hello all
14:25 jojoa1997 hi
14:25 * Kacey just woke up
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14:30 Kacey jojoa1997: want to see my RAM units?
14:30 jojoa1997 pic please am busy
14:31 jojoa1997 upload map to forums
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14:31 Kacey im not uploading my RAM units just so people can steal my idea
14:32 Brianetta Tonight, I think I might try minetest in Xephyr. Perhaps then it will just lock up Zephyr, rather than the X server I'm using for everything else.
14:32 jojoa1997 pic i cant come right now
14:32 Kacey ok then
14:33 Kacey i dont have a screenshot right now...
14:35 jojoa1997 Kacey if you post it in forums then you will have credit.  i want to be able to try it on my own time
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14:35 jojoa1997 look at it on  my own time
14:45 Kacey anyone else on?
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15:03 jojoa1997 !up 0gb.us 30002
15:03 Minetest-tan 0gb.us:30002 seems to be down
15:04 kaeza possible spam? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65796#p65796
15:04 kaeza (see also post below this one)
15:04 jojoa1997 link broken'
15:05 jojoa1997 another one please
15:05 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66824#p66824
15:05 jojoa1997 maybe
15:07 jojoa1997 what happens if i report a post
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15:09 jojoa1997 Kaeza...
15:09 jojoa1997 does the player with your mod look backwards
15:09 jojoa1997 the skin is rotated 180 degrees
15:10 kaeza jojoa1997, fix it :)
15:10 jojoa1997 m,e fix it or you already fixed it?
15:10 jojoa1997 i dont understand the file
15:11 kaeza what do you mean the skin is rotated? screen please
15:11 jojoa1997 cant give screen you cant notice it still but
15:11 kaeza ...
15:11 jojoa1997 say i am facing the other player
15:11 jojoa1997 to them i am faceing away
15:12 jojoa1997 also i need a download link i deleted it
15:13 kaeza nope
15:13 kaeza ditched it
15:13 jojoa1997 YOU WHAT!?!?
15:13 kaeza yup
15:13 jojoa1997 why it was so good
15:13 kaeza wait until Irrlicht 1.9.0
15:13 jojoa1997 ok
15:13 jojoa1997 what about firearms?
15:14 jojoa1997 the guns can shoot without ammo
15:14 kaeza awww forgot to pucsh chages
15:14 kaeza changes*
15:14 kaeza push*
15:14 kaeza d*mn
15:14 thexyz that antispam shit ain't gonna fucking work
15:15 jojoa1997 you seen the realestate agents posts
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15:16 jojoa1997 keaze tell when pushed please
15:16 jojoa1997 kaeza ^
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15:17 jojoa1997 kaeza i might suggest adding it to hunger games if it works out
15:22 kaeza okay pushed
15:22 kaeza now guns require ammo *only in survival mode*
15:22 jojoa1997 lol it says you pushed an hour aga
15:22 jojoa1997 ago
15:23 kaeza and grenades/rockets make explosion sound on contact
15:23 Exio commited*
15:23 jojoa1997 can you make them destroy ground
15:23 kaeza ...
15:23 jojoa1997 but it must be configurable and off by default
15:23 kaeza yes
15:23 kaeza but not now
15:24 jojoa1997 take your time
15:25 kaeza PilzAdam, can I borrow code from your TNT mod?
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15:25 PilzAdam kaeza, credits would be nice
15:25 kaeza of course
15:26 kaeza so I take that as a yes...?
15:26 PilzAdam sure
15:28 jojoa1997 kaeza does it give damage now to npcs
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15:28 kaeza it always did
15:28 jojoa1997 no
15:29 jojoa1997 my npcs only disapear when they get hit by a bullet even explosives. also when they die they drop stuff they didnt then
15:29 jojoa1997 unless it destroyed the item they dropped
15:30 jojoa1997 also could you make the carbine shoot only one bullet when you press a button. maybe 'f'
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15:45 Brianetta jojoa1997: semi, 3-burst and full auto (:
15:46 jojoa1997 how do i use the different types
15:47 * Brianetta shrugs
15:47 Brianetta I'm still trying to figure out how to play Minetest without it locking X up
15:48 jojoa1997 gonna chaeck github
15:50 jojoa1997 how do you know it has that stuff
15:51 kaeza jojoa1997, PilzAdam: http://youtu.be/yM6RtQyfKII
15:52 jojoa1997 \o/
15:52 PilzAdam I recommend using item_drop :-)
15:52 jojoa1997 kaeza how do you [10:45] <Brianetta> jojoa1997: semi, 3-burst and full auto (:
15:52 jojoa1997 do that
15:53 jojoa1997 and push it but is the explosive destroy configurable
15:54 * jojoa1997
15:54 * jojoa1997 boom boom boom
15:54 * jojoa1997 blew up the world
15:55 jojoa1997 kaeza have the shotgun dig leaves
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16:07 Jordach hello
16:07 jojoa1997 kaeza pushed?
16:07 jojoa1997 Hello!
16:07 jojoa1997 jordach so what was the secret code last night?
16:08 * Jordach touches nose
16:09 * jojoa1997 sneezes
16:09 jojoa1997 !g how to find the area of a rhombus
16:09 Minetest-tan jojoa1997: http://www.mathopenref.com/rhombusarea.html
16:10 jojoa1997 nice that helps with homework
16:10 Jordach jojoa1997, please /msg Minetest-tan !g message
16:10 Jordach less channel spam
16:10 jojoa1997 okj
16:11 jojoa1997 sorry forgot we could messeg minetest-tan
16:12 jojoa1997 Jordach i like your response http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66828#p66828
16:13 kaeza jojoa1997, Dx*Dy/2
16:13 jojoa1997 what is that?
16:13 Brianetta How frequently do apples appear in trees?
16:13 Brianetta I've only seen them in minimal
16:13 jojoa1997 when you plant saplings IIRC
16:13 Jordach Brianetta, they spawn in minetest_game when a sapling grows
16:13 Brianetta Ah, OK
16:13 Brianetta I'll be needing an orchard, then
16:14 jojoa1997 kaeza, what does Dx*Dy/2 mean
16:14 Brianetta I don't lose hearts so often now; I place a lot of bannister rails.
16:14 kaeza area of rhombus
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16:14 jojoa1997 oh thanks
16:14 jojoa1997 banister rails?
16:14 kaeza Dx and Dy are the "diagonals"
16:14 jojoa1997 from which mod
16:15 Brianetta jojoa1997: They're made of bits of fence. I don't have any mods.
16:15 jojoa1997 oh i thought you were talking about rails like cart rails
16:15 Brianetta Bannisters. They're found next to flights of stairs.
16:16 jojoa1997 kaeza please push an update o.o
16:16 Brianetta They provide something to hold, but more importantly, provide something to stop you wandering over the side.
16:16 jojoa1997 Brianette when i place fences i walk on them
16:16 kaeza ...
16:16 Brianetta You can build them much higher than that.
16:17 Brianetta I do like to put a candle torch on top of two fence posts.
16:17 Brianetta Street light. (:
16:18 Brianetta I'm considering emptying a bucket of lava into a ceiling-hanging glass bath, to provide interior light.
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16:27 jojoa1997 gtg bbl
16:27 * jojoa1997 bye
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16:30 VanessaE Brianetta: get my moretrees mod and plant *real* apple trees ;-)
16:30 Brianetta I haven't explored any mods at all yet
16:31 VanessaE you're missing out on a great deal of content and improvements in gameplay
16:31 Brianetta I've less than a week of experience with Minetest, and something like four seconds (game time) or ten minutes (real time) with Minecraft.
16:31 Brianetta Right now, I'm more concerned with getting Minetest to stop locking X up
16:32 Brianetta I don't want to introduce variables before then
16:32 VanessaE understood.
16:32 VanessaE you running a nightly build, or git, or ..?
16:32 Brianetta Tonight, I'm going to try starting it in Xephyr
16:32 Brianetta Git
16:32 VanessaE ok
16:32 markveidemanis Has anyone made me a clean mod with the moretree nodenames?
16:32 VanessaE markveidemanis: moretrees mod.
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16:32 markveidemanis Huh?
16:33 VanessaE markveidemanis: I put all that stuff into a proper mod ages ago.
16:33 markveidemanis Ok...but now i need a clean mod.
16:33 VanessaE define 'clean'
16:33 VanessaE greetz, Calinou.
16:33 markveidemanis to get rid of trees once and for all:D
16:33 Calinou hi
16:33 VanessaE oh that kind of clean
16:33 VanessaE I told you use worldedit.
16:33 markveidemanis clean:Delete
16:33 Brianetta a mod that cleans (:
16:34 markveidemanis i can't be bothered:D
16:34 VanessaE and moretrees only spawn at mapgen time or via saplings now.
16:34 markveidemanis i am removing the mod and i dont want unknown blocks
16:35 VanessaE markveidemanis: just upgrade to the latest moretrees + plantlife and then you don't have to delete anything except that which is in your way.
16:36 markveidemanis im removing it...
16:36 VanessaE :(
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16:36 jojoa1997 hi all
16:37 VanessaE hi
16:37 markveidemanis i think its too much:horixontal things
16:37 markveidemanis horizontal
16:37 markveidemanis Hi
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16:38 VanessaE horizontal
16:38 VanessaE ?
16:38 jojoa1997 for what?
16:38 VanessaE he doesn't like moretrees :(
16:39 jojoa1997 how dare he!
16:39 jojoa1997 WE ARE KEEPING MORETREES!!!
16:40 jojoa1997 that is one thing i will not get rid of
16:40 Brianetta Is there a mod that provides the player with an incentive to build somewhere to hide at night?
16:40 VanessaE Brianetta: simple mobs maybe
16:40 Brianetta I don't so much have a house as a porch.
16:40 markveidemanis i disagree
16:40 jojoa1997 animated npc
16:40 jojoa1997 wjordan4ipbanez' version
16:41 jojoa1997 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4023
16:42 markveidemanis ????
16:44 VanessaE jojoa1997: and it (moretrees) is only gonna get better.  Next plan is to add slabs/stairs to the various wood planks blocks, then after that I am not sure
16:44 markveidemanis DONT RUIN THINGS WITH STAIRS!!!
16:44 jojoa1997 add hometree
16:44 markveidemanis WE DONT NEED STAIRS, JUST BLOCKS!!
16:44 VanessaE what's wrong with adding stairs?
16:44 jojoa1997 from avatar
16:45 jojoa1997 stairs good
16:45 markveidemanis EVERYTHING HAS HAD STAIRS RECENTLY
16:45 markveidemanis technic=RUINED BECAUSE OF STAIRS!!!
16:45 VanessaE jojoa1997: I might release that as a separate mod, but I need a really *REALLY* good model
16:46 VanessaE markveidemanis: that's because people like to build useful stuff with stairs, slabs, etc. and not be limited to cobble, brick, ...
16:46 VanessaE and no one is forcing you to use those extra blocks.
16:46 jojoa1997 what do you mean by model
16:46 markveidemanis then go play tekkit on minecraft, where everything is broken up
16:46 VanessaE jojoa1997: an L-Systems tree definition
16:46 jojoa1997 oh
16:46 markveidemanis its moretrees not morestairs
16:47 markveidemanis i expect tree, wood, leaves nothing else!
16:47 jojoa1997 well make it like pandora one
16:47 * Brianetta always builds stairs in mines
16:47 Brianetta It's how I find my way back out
16:47 jojoa1997 and also VanessaE maybe make it a game
16:48 VanessaE markveidemanis: besides, what do you care?  you don't like moretrees anyway :(
16:48 VanessaE how can one ruin, in your eyes, that which you dislike to begin with?
16:48 jojoa1997 like changing weapons and gravuity
16:49 VanessaE jojoa1997: someone else can code a mod/game for that
16:49 jojoa1997 ok
16:49 jojoa1997 VanessaE: make it one tree per world to reduce lag
16:50 VanessaE heh
16:51 jojoa1997 the tree needs to be like 1000 blocks high
16:51 jojoa1997 an 100 wide with 2 rings
16:51 VanessaE "That's a big damn tree."
16:51 jojoa1997 an inner and outer
16:51 jojoa1997 like in the movie
16:51 VanessaE I think a tree that big is beyond the scope of L-Systems :-)
16:52 jojoa1997 yeah
16:52 VanessaE that's the sort of thing you build over time and then distribute as a .wem file
16:52 jojoa1997 .wem?
16:53 VanessaE worldedit meta
16:53 VanessaE the format that stores the contents of chests etc also
16:54 jojoa1997 maybe it could be the farthest the tree l-system could go
16:55 Brianetta World Tree
16:55 Brianetta Oooh, I think I'm about to go home.
16:55 Brianetta Yes. Yes, I am.
16:55 Brianetta Later!
16:58 Calinou markveidemanis: sudo apt-get install mate
16:58 Calinou ^ will solve things
16:58 markveidemanis Huh?
16:58 Calinou :3
16:58 Calinou change hater :-)
16:58 Jordach Calinou, press the 'any' key
16:58 markveidemanis I dont like changes
16:59 Calinou keyboard not found, press F11.
16:59 jojoa1997 kaeza ...
16:59 VanessaE Press the "any" key NOW!
16:59 VanessaE :)
16:59 VanessaE (as a BBS I used to call, would say)
16:59 Jordach VanessaE, fuck the police, im going to use HDX 512
16:59 jojoa1997 kaeza when will firearms be ready
17:00 VanessaE eh?
17:00 Jordach that big hefty motherfuckin tp
17:00 jojoa1997 language
17:00 * jojoa1997 wags finger
17:00 Jordach ...and
17:00 VanessaE yes, it is.
17:00 VanessaE :)
17:00 VanessaE I don't fuck around when it comes to image quality :D
17:01 * Jordach now fears what it will do to jordachs again GPU
17:01 Jordach aging*
17:03 Jordach VanessaE, now this is when i find out i getter a better fps then you do
17:03 Jordach nek
17:03 Jordach oops
17:03 VanessaE eh?
17:03 VanessaE wouldn't surprise me if you do.  my fps sucks lately even with 16px textures.
17:03 Jordach if software rendering on another voxel game lands about 20fps, then this tower aint no slouch
17:03 Jordach ...it also shows that windows is better
17:04 Jordach :P
17:04 Calinou * Jordach now fears what it will do to jordachs again GPU
17:04 * Calinou tells Jordach to try tesseract
17:04 Calinou "for new GPUs, by new GPUs"
17:04 Traxie21 I hate myself sometimes
17:04 Calinou hai Traxie21
17:04 Jordach Calinou
17:04 Traxie21 hai :D
17:04 * Jordach gets 4000fps
17:04 Traxie21 I just wrote a gigantic file.io script to read a simple text file
17:04 Calinou on a blank map? even my computer can't do that :P
17:05 Traxie21 and then found that dofile() will work for exactly what i want it to do
17:05 Traxie21 >:C
17:05 VanessaE shit happens, it's called learning :)
17:05 Traxie21 Ikr
17:06 Traxie21 I always do complicated stuff first
17:06 Traxie21 then find theres a simple way to do it
17:06 * Jordach and VanessaE dont give to fucks to the no swearing rule
17:06 Jordach two*
17:06 VanessaE I won't even give one fuck to that rule ;)
17:06 Jordach oh no she didnt!
17:06 Traxie21 :U
17:07 Jordach VanessaE, lets play: how much can my cheap ass GPU do?
17:07 VanessaE heh
17:08 Jordach libreplanet-gaming_collective: i choose you!
17:08 VanessaE it really surprises me (though I suppose it shouldn't) that I can't even sustain 60 fps with 16px textures on my basass GPU..
17:08 Jordach badass*
17:08 VanessaE badass*
17:08 VanessaE ninja'd!
17:08 VanessaE :)
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17:08 markveidemanis Hi...again
17:08 Jordach nope, minetest just dies
17:09 VanessaE hi mark "I don't like moretrees" veidemanis  ;-)
17:09 VanessaE Jordach: to use the 512px size, you need 4GB of RAM and an AMD64 system.
17:09 markveidemanis i hate ALL trees
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17:09 VanessaE (I shit you not)
17:09 jojoa1997 VanessaE: LOL :-) +1
17:09 markveidemanis and mapgen in general
17:09 Jordach amd? this is intel
17:09 VanessaE Jordach: 64-bit build anyway
17:09 jojoa1997 markv GO PLAY MINECRAFT
17:09 Jordach x65 please VanessaE
17:10 Jordach x64*
17:10 VanessaE x86_64 you mean :)
17:10 VanessaE though intel uses the AMD64 architecture now, so :P
17:10 VanessaE (talka bout the lion laying down with the lamb)
17:10 Jordach now thats the first time in windows that i've ever seen my task bar flash like a police light
17:10 markveidemanis at least minecraft doesn't have trees taller than 10 blocks
17:11 VanessaE markveidemanis: which is incredibly unrealistic
17:11 rubenwardy at least?
17:11 Traxie21 @mark: Ever used Redpower?
17:11 markveidemanis yop
17:11 Jordach markveidemanis, /join #minecraft
17:11 Traxie21 Those rubber trees make vanessa's look like little children
17:11 markveidemanis But the trees are...just 'better'
17:11 rubenwardy 10 meter trees are realistic
17:11 markveidemanis me banned from #minecraft, you all know!!
17:12 VanessaE 10m trees are unrealistic - most trees in the real world stretch WAY beyond 10m.
17:12 markveidemanis no.
17:12 VanessaE a giant sequoia can grow to 100+ m
17:12 * Traxie21 looks at my measaly oak out back...
17:12 VanessaE my house is surrounted by very tall trees, quite common here
17:12 markveidemanis its the mapgen that makes them look bad
17:12 VanessaE then fix the mapgen, don't bitch about the trees
17:12 Traxie21 I live in texas, most trees are not taller than 20 feet
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17:12 markveidemanis mapgen just spams them, they need to be further apart
17:13 Traxie21 XD
17:13 Jordach VanessaE, lets try 256px
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17:13 VanessaE Jordach: that takes about 2GB of RAM
17:13 VanessaE you *might* be able to pull that one off.
17:13 Jordach VanessaE, this gpu has 1gb of ram
17:14 jojoa1997 VanessaE try 5120px
17:14 markveidemanis until minetest has better rendering that doesn't lagg...leave trees alone
17:14 * Jordach spits drink
17:14 VanessaE markveidemanis: *any* amount of static content is gonna make the mapgen lag.
17:14 Jordach VanessaE, 30-40fps using opengl
17:14 VanessaE huge structures, large mountains, trees, you name it.
17:14 VanessaE the more there is, the laggier it gets, even with *NO MODS*
17:15 jojoa1997 markv look at the spawn that is also creating lag
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17:18 Traxie21 brb
17:18 Traxie21 Thanks guys for your various helps
17:22 Jordach VanessaE, 256px: http://ompldr.org/vaDlmcA/256px.PNG
17:23 VanessaE Jordach: nice.  Now try going on my server near a big grove of the larger trees :-)
17:23 VanessaE (say, just east of my brick house)
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17:24 rubenwardy celeron55: did you ever give permission for this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4575
17:24 rubenwardy It says it is the "official minetest planet"
17:25 VanessaE hah, Likwid's link is dead :D
17:25 VanessaE 404'd
17:25 rubenwardy It takes a minute to load for me
17:25 VanessaE it's 404'd for me
17:26 thexyz I don't see word "official" at page http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4575
17:26 rubenwardy when it does load
17:26 VanessaE oh sure now it loaded.
17:26 VanessaE "
17:26 VanessaE The first official Minetest Planet!
17:26 VanessaE About Minetest Planet
17:26 VanessaE Has all Minetest rated Stuff."
17:26 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66840#p66840
17:26 VanessaE in the website
17:26 thexyz except "The official Minetest discussion board" and "official extensions"
17:26 rubenwardy and it is not the first
17:26 rubenwardy Minetest Extensions is the first
17:26 thexyz hm.. what's wrong then?
17:26 thexyz he is free to write anything he wants at his website, isn't he?
17:27 Jordach nope.avi
17:28 thexyz Jordach: you're slightly old-fashioned, it should be nope.h265
17:28 Calinou h265 ftl
17:28 rubenwardy c55 does not like it when people wrongly associate that it is "official"
17:28 Calinou OGV FTW
17:28 VanessaE h265 isn't even out yet is it?
17:29 Calinou thexyz: heh, a 6 second 640×400 avi for me is 37MB, while an OGV (no sound) is about 600KB
17:29 thexyz it's approved
17:29 thexyz Calinou: how about h264?
17:29 Calinou didn't try, but h264 is a timebomb
17:29 Calinou if you use proper video players, ogv causes no problem
17:30 Calinou parole and vlc can both read ogv, so why not use it?
17:30 Calinou and you can upload them to youtube AFAIK
17:30 VanessaE because no one in the real world can play that format
17:30 VanessaE sadly
17:30 Calinou who doesn't have vlc?
17:30 thexyz vlc sucks
17:30 Calinou no u
17:30 Calinou works for me
17:30 VanessaE anyone running Windows probably doesn't, anyone whose only media is a blu-ray player or similar, ...
17:31 Calinou its video recording kinda sucks for games though :(
17:31 VanessaE (most windows users probably don't know about vlc)
17:31 thexyz well, i guess ogg sucks too
17:31 Calinou VanessaE: most windows users actually have vlc
17:31 Calinou it's one of the most commonly downloaded software, and windows 8 (non-pro) will make it more used
17:31 Calinou windows 8 (non-pro) cannot read protected DVDs now :3
17:31 VanessaE only the smart ones, and how many truly smart win users are there compared to the masses?
17:31 Calinou so you need to install VLC to read them
17:31 VanessaE 5%?  maybe 10%?
17:31 Calinou and even the stupids are doing it
17:32 thexyz http://www.streaminglearningcenter.com/images/alex-thus1_1.jpg
17:32 VanessaE win 8 can't play a DVD out of the box?  epic fail.
17:32 thexyz it. sucks.
17:32 Calinou thexyz: yes, we need absolute video quality to kill the internet
17:32 Calinou no u
17:33 thexyz h264 with same bitrate is like million times better
17:33 Calinou depends on videos i guess
17:33 thexyz no idea
17:33 thexyz does it support 10 bit video?
17:33 Calinou 10 bit videos? why?
17:33 thexyz or is that some h264-exclusive feature?
17:34 Calinou thexyz: regardless, h264 is still a patented format, like mp3
17:34 Calinou (btw, ogg beats mp3 sometimes :P)
17:34 Calinou as in vorbis
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17:35 thexyz Calinou: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_banding
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17:36 Brianetta No GLX support available. OpenGL driver will not work.
17:36 Brianetta So much for running minetest in Xephyr.
17:37 Calinou since when people have screens where 10bit has an advantage??
17:37 thexyz it can be com[pressed better
17:37 thexyz Calinou: shall I google and send you some?
17:37 Calinou no
17:37 FreeFull Calinou: not sometimes, ogg beats mp3 every time
17:37 VanessaE Brianetta: you could alwyas use the burningsvideo driver, that's software rendering isn't it? :
17:37 VanessaE :)
17:37 Calinou burningsvideo can be a bit faster than software
17:38 Calinou both are SW renderers
17:38 Brianetta I don't have that sort of CPU grunt
17:38 Calinou better save time and buy a nvidia graphics card :3
17:38 Brianetta I have an Nvidia
17:38 thexyz Calinou: http://blisswater.info/comparison/elephantsdream/
17:38 Calinou Brianetta: so why don't you use it? :P
17:38 VanessaE use the proprietary blob then
17:38 Brianetta Calinou: I do. Periodically, minetest smashes my X server right in the face.
17:38 VanessaE if nouveau doesn't work for you I mean
17:39 Calinou nouveau runs MT at 20-30FPS for me :-)
17:39 Calinou Brianetta: use 304.51 or higher
17:39 Brianetta I thought I'd run it in a nested X server to avoid bringing the whole desktop down.
17:39 Calinou 313.18 for best results
17:39 VanessaE Calinou: oh btw.  I decided, my next video card will be an nVidia unit of some kind.
17:39 Calinou nvidia-current in 12.10 is full of bugs, use nvidia-current-updates :P
17:39 Calinou VanessaE: which one?
17:39 Brianetta I suspect those are strictly for newer cards than this one.
17:39 Calinou 660s and 660tis have best performance/price ratio currently
17:39 VanessaE dunno yet, that's still a ways off before I decide on an upgrade.
17:40 hmmmm well... best price/performance ratio for new cards
17:40 VanessaE Brianetta: what card?
17:40 Brianetta > lspci | grep VGA
17:40 Brianetta 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] (rev a2)
17:40 VanessaE 6600 is a decent card
17:41 VanessaE you should be able to use the current driver with that?
17:41 Brianetta Yes, i have no trouble with Pioneer.
17:41 Brianetta Pioneer runs perfectly.
17:41 VanessaE I had a 6800 that was fairly workable, for the most part.
17:41 Brianetta Minetest crashes my X server.
17:41 Calinou thexyz: difference is barely visible to be honest
17:41 Brianetta Not straight away
17:41 Brianetta Just after a bit of play
17:41 Calinou there is "video quality" and "video quality actually seen"
17:41 Brianetta Sometimes hours of play, sometimes ten minutes
17:41 thexyz Calinou: wut
17:42 Brianetta but usually when I'm using the mouse, never when idle
17:42 Calinou it's like saying a 8m×8m×8m cylinder with 64 polygons looks bad
17:42 thexyz you mean, you don't see difference between http://blisswater.info/comparison/elephantsdream/ed-3681-10bit-1500kbps.png and http://blisswater.info/comparison/elephantsdream/ed-3681-8bit-1500kbps.png ?
17:42 Calinou it will look bad "graphically"
17:42 Calinou but when you play, it won't
17:42 thexyz ok
17:42 thexyz fine
17:43 Calinou thexyz: the difference is very small
17:43 VanessaE I can certainly see a difference
17:43 thexyz 10 bit also weights less
17:43 VanessaE subtle details are precisely what people see when they look at a game, movie, etc.
17:43 thexyz the only _tiny_ problem with it is that it's not supported by hw players
17:44 Calinou tiny, heh
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17:44 Calinou see, your thing isn't magic :P
17:44 Calinou graphics cards are much better at decoding videos than CPUs..
17:44 Calinou I bet 10bit is more expensive on the CPU too?
17:44 FreeFull thexyz: they both look like they were in a lossy format and then converted to png
17:45 thexyz FreeFull: that's called "video encoding"
17:45 thexyz it's lossy, yeah
17:46 FreeFull For comparing video, still frames probably aren't that good
17:47 celeron55 i see a difference in those images, but isn't really much to the better or worse
17:47 celeron55 it's just a difference
17:48 celeron55 i've heard though that 10bit could work somehow better for anime kind of stuff
17:48 celeron55 to me that seems more like a badly perfoming codec though than some property of 10bit itself
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17:50 markveidemanis hi
17:50 Octupus Hewwo
17:51 thexyz i doubt 10 bit is actually used for anything but anime
17:55 hmmmm my chinese girl cartoons need to be perfectly clear looking
17:55 VanessaE chinese??
17:55 VanessaE that does it.  hand in your geek card.
17:56 hmmmm it's sarcasm
17:57 VanessaE I know :)
18:02 Doc22 hey Octupus
18:02 Octupus Heewwoo Doc22
18:02 Octupus I am Officcially a lazy minetest dummy
18:03 Doc22 oldcoder gave me ban, fly, and kick on 30004
18:03 Doc22 ^_^
18:03 Octupus I used a big O for effect
18:03 Doc22 lol
18:03 markveidemanis hi doc
18:03 Doc22 hey markveidemanis
18:03 markveidemanis Want to come on my server? there are 2 new people on
18:04 * Doc22 starts thinking about what mobs should look like in my game
18:04 VanessaE no one plays on my server anymore :(
18:04 Octupus like a orange ;3
18:04 Doc22 not now markveidemanis im busy with hw, just checking the irc
18:04 markveidemanis k
18:04 Doc22 and VanessaE what is ip?
18:04 Doc22 ill save it for later
18:04 Octupus HMMMM i want to be offical server Spawn  Builder
18:04 VanessaE Doc22: same as before.  vanessae.mine.bz:30000 but it's in the server list also
18:04 Doc22 ok
18:05 Doc22 i can remember vanseesae.mine.bz
18:05 Octupus We neeed a rank mod
18:05 Doc22 mods?
18:06 Brianetta OK, accidentally burned my "house" to the ground
18:06 Brianetta but I now have a fully functioning lava lamp
18:06 Brianetta around which to re-build my house
18:07 Brianetta tip: When emptying a bucket of lava into a glass bath, make sure you remembered the bath's bottom.
18:07 VanessaE lol
18:08 Brianetta Seriously, though, good even light.
18:09 VanessaE a bit dangerous though
18:11 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/Deacon lol
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18:17 Brianetta Danger is my middle name/
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18:41 jojoa1997 hi everyone
18:42 marktraceur Bye!
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18:48 Traxie21 Octupus
18:48 Traxie21 If you're still there, I am working on a mod that will include ranking
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18:49 Octupus Traxie21,Awesome
18:50 Traxie21 I have to outdo jordan4ibanez though >:D
18:50 Traxie21 So it might take awhile before I release it
18:50 Traxie21 It's already structured better and has better configuration :D
18:51 Octupus nice
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18:55 Octupus I got the best idea ever
18:55 Octupus Any1 wanna here it?
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18:56 berome sure we wisn to hear it ...
18:56 berome *wish
18:56 Traxie21 sure
18:59 Octupus OK here we go
18:59 Octupus i was thinking of making a mintest console
19:00 Octupus where ppl can control there server without them being online
19:00 VanessaE make it take commands in the server's controlling terminal.
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19:02 Traxie21 how hard could that be?
19:02 mauvebic too easy
19:02 jojoa1997 could what be?
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19:03 mauvebic you can use anny program or script to dump instructions to a file and have a mod check it regularly
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19:10 mauvebic has anyone seen or herd from nakedfury lately?
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19:12 VanessaE Jan 23 2013 15:10:00 <NakedFury>        im not sure MT will be alive by then
19:12 VanessaE last thing I have in my logs from him
19:13 mauvebic poop :(
19:13 mauvebic i implemented some of his suggestions to my voxelsniper
19:14 VanessaE I'm sure he'll be back in
19:14 jojoa1997 when will MT not be alive?
19:14 VanessaE I'm not sure, I don't see any context in the logs that made it clear, but I guess he means in some really long period of time, 20 years or something maybe
19:15 jojoa1997 Not many from today will be
19:15 thexyz http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-01-23#i_2832893
19:15 mauvebic well i can definately appreciate the value of short breaks lol im sure we'll see him around again soon
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19:16 Traxie21 cyas after lunch guys
19:16 VanessaE I *still* don't see any context there, thexyz.
19:16 Traxie21 Working on ServerExtended
19:17 VanessaE (hell, I barely even remember this conversation, and it wasn't even a week ago :-)
19:17 thexyz VanessaE: >for a moment I thougt you were talking about a future Windows 98 [no 1998] >i'm sure it won't work on that one too >yeah too much difference >im not sure MT will be alive by then
19:18 VanessaE thexyz: the "by then" is what I couldn't resolve.  5 years? 10?  not sure.
19:18 VanessaE unless he meant 2098 :)
19:18 mauvebic yeah all i see is some debate about windws 98 vs linux lol
19:18 VanessaE in which case...well here's hoping artificial bodies and mind-uploading happen before then :D
19:18 mauvebic (tough call)
19:19 sapier1 windows 98 vs linux? linux 1.0?
19:20 mauvebic well 98SE was prolly the last great (only great) windows release lol
19:21 celeron55 i guess minetest will work on windows 98 as long as you find a zlib version that doesn't require some xp kernel things
19:21 sapier1 lol have you ben drunk from 2k party for too long?
19:21 celeron55 irrlicht will work on 98
19:21 Brianetta Wait, there was a great Windows release?
19:21 VanessaE what is windows again?
19:21 sapier1 w2k ... w7 ... maybe
19:21 VanessaE wasn't that some DOS program or something? :)
19:21 mauvebic well i only migrated from XP to linux when the malware started getting out of hand
19:21 sapier1 vanessae you're so true until winme it was dos+gui
19:22 Brianetta VanessaE: My DOS box never had it.
19:22 * Brianetta upgraded from Caldera OpenDOS to Linux in 1994
19:22 Brianetta Missed Windows altogether.
19:22 mauvebic i tried installing mandrake in the late 90's - no sound, awful graphics, wasn't ready for primetime
19:23 FreeFull Brianetta: DOS had plenty of malware, but typically it was trojans
19:23 Brianetta FreeFull: Speak for your own DOS.
19:23 mauvebic and old linux + old dialup ISPs... omg lol
19:23 Brianetta I didn't get online until I was running Linux
19:23 FreeFull Sometimes there was boot-sector malware or malware that automatically infected the machine if you put in an infected floppy
19:24 Brianetta FreeFull: I know the technology. I wrote some of that, just to prove I could.
19:24 mauvebic but... back then... Myst was *the* shit lol
19:24 Octupus PORTFORWARDING PISSES ME OFF
19:24 sapier that's why I always had a write protected boot floppy ... ok I had it because most games required 620k conventional memory too :)
19:24 Octupus GURRRR
19:24 sapier portforwarding is great ;-)
19:25 Octupus GURRRRR
19:25 Octupus i cant figure out portforwarding
19:25 Octupus i got the right thing but when i try to connect to me ip it dont work
19:25 sapier from where to where do you want to forward?
19:26 Octupus ma house to me minecraft :/
19:26 Octupus for me friendz to play
19:26 Octupus unless me us a vps but idk where i can get 1
19:26 VanessaE I actually mostly used my 8-bit commodore stuff before getting a PC that could run BSD, and then eventually linux.  Short bit of DOS/win in there for a couple of months while writing a program.
19:26 VanessaE actually, just DOS come to think of it...
19:27 sapier you may not be able to test it from inside
19:27 VanessaE minecraft?  byte your tongue.
19:27 Octupus any1 know a vps that is good
19:27 thexyz inb4 /kick
19:27 VanessaE heh
19:28 Octupus some1 can give me a link to a free vps that is good ?
19:28 VanessaE good, fast, cheap(free).  Pick two.
19:28 Octupus hmm
19:29 Octupus i want a good 1 that is fast but free
19:29 VanessaE in other words, don't expect "is good" to also cover "free".
19:29 Octupus hmmm
19:29 PilzAdam VanessaE, this user has an animated avatar: http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=3419
19:30 Octupus fast and free i guess
19:30 thexyz VPSes are damn cheap
19:30 thexyz can't you afford 5$/month?
19:30 thexyz PilzAdam: removed
19:31 Octupus thexyz me cant pay me no got no credit card or debit :.
19:31 PilzAdam gtg (500th Simpsons episode on TV); bye
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19:32 thexyz Octupus: go get some
19:32 VanessaE thexyz: I'll replace it with a non-animated one.
19:32 thexyz I'd recommend Visa Infinite
19:32 thexyz good one
19:32 VanessaE done.
19:32 Octupus thexyz,how is a 13 yearold eliable for a credit card HMMMM
19:32 thexyz hm..
19:33 VanessaE (better to pick one presentable frame from the animation and use that, than to just delete it)
19:34 Octupus VanessaE,a free and fast 1 please :3
19:34 VanessaE Octupus: sorry, no idea.
19:34 Octupus lolz
19:34 thexyz probably amazon one
19:34 VanessaE AWS is only free for a year
19:34 thexyz yeah
19:35 thexyz and iirc you have to enter your card info
19:35 Octupus :O
19:36 VanessaE Octupus: if you'd just ditch the router you wouldn't need to port-forward.
19:37 VanessaE you don't need a router to connect a computer to an internet feed.
19:37 Octupus wewy
19:37 sapier that's a bad suggestion
19:37 celeron55 is somebody willing to help this one http://paste.dy.fi/S3D
19:37 VanessaE sapier: why?
19:37 VanessaE celeron55: he already tried messaging me, I responded.
19:37 sapier a router is protection for your pc ... attacks will hit router not your machine
19:37 VanessaE but have not yet heard back from him.
19:38 celeron55 VanessaE: ok fine then
19:38 VanessaE sapier: not really.  that's what firewalls are for
19:38 Octupus Me is sad because i need a vps :/
19:38 sapier here in germany almost all routers have integrated firewall functionality ... they're commonly called router
19:38 VanessaE if you can get out, someone else can theoretically get in, router or not.  If a router can protect you, so can a decent firewall on your PC - assuming you even need one.
19:38 Octupus Vanessa what about a good/cheap vps ?
19:39 VanessaE Octupus: I don't remember now, someone told me of one recently but I've since forgotten
19:39 sapier no a firewall running on same machine is never near to same protection level
19:39 VanessaE sapier: of course it is.
19:39 Octupus damn
19:40 VanessaE sapier: hardware is hardware, whether you have two lumps of it between you and your assailant, or 100 lumps of it.
19:40 sapier no consider a case an attacker will start a dos or even manages to crash firewall ... your pc won't be harmed if it's on a dedicated machine
19:40 VanessaE what matters is the software (or firmware) that governs your connections.
19:41 VanessaE if the software that comprises your PC's firewall is any good, your router becomes reduntant.
19:41 VanessaE redundant.
19:41 sapier you assume anyone is able to create a software without bugs ... if this was possible you're right but it aint
19:41 VanessaE I have run without a router for almost 20 years now.  never had a problem, because I have good software on the PC.
19:42 sapier you don't have windows as far as I remember?
19:42 FreeFull It's impossible to create bugless software if you're using a conventional programming language
19:42 VanessaE does that mean I'm impenetrable?  no.
19:42 Brianetta No.
19:42 FreeFull And there is no programming language that prevents all possible bugs
19:42 VanessaE indeed, I don't run windows -- therefore, I have good software :-)
19:42 Brianetta It's impossible to create non-trivial bugless software.
19:42 sapier no but it means 99.9% of all attacks are not directed to your machine
19:43 VanessaE sapier: and if those 99.9% of attacks have any rate of success, it is due to bad software, not a bad hardware configuration.
19:43 celeron55 routers have software too 8)
19:43 VanessaE you are just as likely to have poor-quality firewalling software/firmware in your router as in your PC
19:43 sapier I don't deny this but its common fact software is buggy ;)
19:43 VanessaE perhaps even moreso.
19:44 celeron55 and the software in routers is generally made by some chinese software sweatshops i guess
19:44 sapier so better crash a dedicated router firewall than my pc
19:44 VanessaE because you can't nearly as easily patch the router's software/firmware.
19:44 sapier celeron55 thats's why I have a dual layer firewall setup  ;-)
19:44 celeron55 or, well... i guess they generally run some kind of modified linux
19:44 celeron55 or some other embedded *nix variant
19:44 VanessaE sapier: the point is, the router would crash while a PC connected directly to the line would be just fine against the same attack
19:45 VanessaE s/would/might/h
19:45 VanessaE s/would/might/g even.
19:45 sapier that might be true for linux machines but not for most common windows machine running arbitrary software services
19:45 VanessaE celeron55: I thought most of them ran some cisco thing or something?  I forget what they called it, I keep wanting to say IOS but that's not right
19:45 FreeFull Hardware has firmware too
19:46 celeron55 i wonder if we'd be able to convince some penetration tester to take a whack at a minetest server for free 8)
19:46 VanessaE heh
19:46 FreeFull celeron55: I bet he/she'd crash it in 30 seconds
19:46 VanessaE 4chan ;)
19:46 celeron55 there are probably a million DOS exploits
19:46 celeron55 and crash ones
19:46 FreeFull 4chan would just ddos
19:47 sapier hey freefull there ain't any non-trivial device without software ;-
19:47 celeron55 but i'd be interested whether it is possible to gain privileges on the game or the system
19:47 VanessaE ok anonymous then :)
19:47 sapier I'm almost sure this is possible
19:47 thexyz sapier: paranoia much?
19:47 celeron55 probably is, but it might be a matter of at least hours of experienced hacking
19:48 celeron55 that is the case of 99.999% software though 8)
19:48 sapier I'm responsible for security devices so you learn no paranoia is big enough to even imagine what evil guys do
19:48 celeron55 a targeted attack is almost always destined to work
19:48 celeron55 given enough skills and time
19:48 sapier I'd try to hack a client by abusing graphics memory overflow in minetest client
19:49 VanessaE sapier: so you're saying...you'd connect to my server then. :)
19:50 VanessaE (over 2000 defined items is sure to make a few MT installs barf ;) )
19:50 celeron55 i'd say clients are relatively safe
19:50 Traxie21 hey Goderon55!
19:50 celeron55 but i wouldn't really run a public server without running it on an unprivileged user
19:50 sapier yes but I'd try to create special textures in order to add some executable code to client
19:50 celeron55 sapier: pretty much similar stuff as for web browsers 8)
19:51 sapier celeron you only have to log out once and relogin to provocate memory corruption
19:51 VanessaE provoke*
19:51 celeron55 corruption?
19:51 celeron55 can you prove that
19:51 sapier have a look at yout textures you can se everything but what should be there
19:52 sapier -t+r
19:52 celeron55 more memory is used, but it really isn't even a memory leak, as irrlicht still maintains handles to it
19:52 celeron55 (afaik)
19:52 sapier I don't think so as textures aren't correct anymore
19:52 VanessaE celeron55: install HDX 256 or 512px.  turn on preloading of item visuals.  start a game.  Play around.  Exit to Menu and start again.  Crash.
19:53 VanessaE others experience the same crashes with lower resolution textures, it just takes more restarts.
19:53 sapier adding models makes things worse as those are really big
19:53 celeron55 oh... well, i hope there is a github issue with a gdb backtrace then
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19:53 celeron55 if i were to attack minetest clients, first thing i'd do is to check all image loader libraries included in the irrlicht dll minetest uses for known exploits
19:53 VanessaE there it a github issue, but afaik not much of a backtrace on it.
19:53 celeron55 they might be old versions
19:53 VanessaE is*
19:54 VanessaE I forget who filed it (pretty sure it wasn't me this time ;) )
19:54 celeron55 then go through the model loaders
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19:54 sapier I assumed it's same thing as revertet texture unload patch
19:54 celeron55 or, well, maybe before that the minetest protocol at the basic level
19:55 celeron55 i don't really have experience in exploiting stuff; i'm sure somebody could make a very good first guess in a short time 8)
19:55 sapier I'd assume all of your suggestions would work :-)
19:56 celeron55 i'll hand 20 bucks out of the donation money to the first one finding an unprivileged code execution bug
19:57 sapier celeron I wondered why kharls patch resulted in crash on double login to local server, I've read the irclog from discussion but didn't find any hint to why this happens
19:57 celeron55 with a fix
19:57 celeron55 sapier: i do understand why it happens
19:57 celeron55 or, well, understood
19:57 celeron55 don't remember anymore
19:58 celeron55 i've probably explained it somewhere
19:58 sapier there was only the reason what happened (irrlicht was accessing an unloaded texture) but not why it was doing it
19:59 Octupus can some1 help me with netgear portforwarding
19:59 Octupus i tried to portfroward but ti dont work
19:59 sapier server shouldn't do anything with textures and client's have their own texture memory which shouldn't change until logout
19:59 sapier what netgear device do you have?
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20:01 jojoa1997 thexyz: you there?
20:02 Octupus I GIVE UP ON PORTFORWARING THATS IT I GIVE UP GURRRRR
20:03 thexyz jojoa1997: yep
20:03 jojoa1997 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66860#p66860
20:03 * Octupus RAGES QUITS AND LEAVES DIS FRIGGIN PC
20:03 sapier I can't help if you don't tell me what netgear device you have
20:03 Octupus ok let me try again 1 more time
20:03 Octupus wgr614v10
20:03 jojoa1997 could we have a copy of it. my server keeps on getting segfaults
20:03 sapier ok I'll look for it's documentation
20:04 Octupus k :/
20:04 sapier hmm looks quite similar to mine
20:05 thexyz jojoa1997: to restart server after crashes you only need to >while true; do ./bin/minetestserver; done
20:05 Octupus i try so many times to port forward but its being gay
20:05 jojoa1997 could you post that on the forums. 0gb hosts my server
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20:06 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/1458716500 +1 shaders
20:07 Octupus im still trying dis portforwarding tingy
20:07 mauvebic port forwarding is a bitch lol
20:07 mauvebic do you have a router + modem type setup?
20:08 VanessaE thexyz: do sleep 1; minetestserver [...]; done  <-- limits CPU load if the server goes into an infinite crash-start-crash loop
20:08 Octupus hmmm
20:08 Octupus ik my modem type and router type yes but portforwarding is pissing me off
20:08 mauvebic I had to portforward the modem to the router's WAN ip
20:09 mauvebic and then DMZ the server in the router
20:09 mauvebic in otherwords, it has to be accesible for both devices, not just one or the other
20:09 mauvebic dont feel bad it took me a year to figure out lol
20:09 Octupus I tried portforwarding my ipv4 which is 10.0.0.2 to 25565
20:10 sapier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvzFHHDvU8E might help
20:10 sapier you have 10.0.0.2? wow
20:10 mauvebic doesnt sound right does it?
20:10 sapier no not quite at least it's not common for home networks
20:11 Octupus then i went to www.canyouseeme.org then i put 25565 for port and it says dis I could not see your service on 199.201.84.202 on port (25565) Reason: Connection timed out
20:11 Octupus :/
20:11 mauvebic like i said, portforwarding from modem to router, and then from router to your computer
20:11 sapier are you sure your machine has 10.0.0.2?
20:11 Octupus ok how do i portforward modem to me router?
20:11 mauvebic modem -> routers IP, router -> your  computer's internal network ip
20:12 Octupus sapier yes
20:12 Octupus my ipv4 says 10.0.0.2
20:12 sapier what modem do you have dsl?
20:13 mauvebic what other IPs are listed when you login to your router/modem configs?
20:13 sapier can you tell me default gateway ip of your machine?
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20:13 Octupus waiy
20:13 Octupus *wait
20:14 mauvebic default gateway should be modem's ip
20:14 sapier yes
20:14 Octupus the other ip is 10.0.01
20:14 Octupus *10.0.0.1
20:14 sapier ok so this is fine
20:15 sapier may I try to connect to the port and IP you mentioned with nmap?
20:15 Octupus i did what dat video did but it doesnt work
20:16 sapier do you have an additional firewall on your local machine?
20:16 marktraceur Dat?
20:16 Octupus i have a firewall yes and i let the go thorugh
20:18 sapier ok you don't need portforwarding from modem to router as your router can be reached with ip you told
20:20 Octupus im angry :/
20:21 mauvebic goooood, let the hate flow through you
20:21 Octupus I TRIED PORTFORWARDING AND TRUNED OFF MY FIREWALL AND NOW IT DOES WORK GURRRRRRRRR
20:22 sapier firewall in router or pc?
20:22 Octupus pc
20:22 sapier :-) seams netgear is innocent ;-)
20:23 Octupus netgear is gay
20:24 sapier still you shouldn't disable firewall completely try to find out why your exceptions didn't work and reenable firewall ... at least you can configure it there are already some routers out ther you aren't even allowed to access configuration by your ISP
20:25 sapier celeron55 what do you think about https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/437 do changes meet your expectation?
20:27 celeron55 by the way, have you looked at what script_get_backtrace does 8)
20:28 sapier I use this function
20:28 celeron55 it just calls the global lua function debug.traceback() and returns the returned string
20:28 sapier but you couldn't call it from lua by now
20:28 sapier you're kidding?
20:29 Jordach VanessaE, you here
20:30 sapier no you aren't :-)
20:30 sapier ok I'll close the changeset if it's that easy it's not worth adding this function
20:31 VanessaE no, actually I have to step away in a minute or two
20:31 VanessaE what's up?
20:32 Jordach VanessaE, now getting 60fps with 256px
20:32 VanessaE how?
20:32 VanessaE view distance of 10? :)
20:32 Jordach VanessaE, 35
20:33 VanessaE I used to be able to play with my view distance set to 200.  Then it dropped to around 160, now I can't even sustain 30fps at a distance of 80.
20:33 Jordach VanessaE, see, my second hand six year old pc beats yours down
20:33 VanessaE I hate hate hate the automatic distance tuner - it makes things jumpy and jittery
20:34 VanessaE Jordach: but on what kind of terrain?  a big open space, or something with a shitload of content?
20:34 mauvebic my FPS hovers between 20-30 on stable
20:34 mauvebic still optimamimizing my mods lol
20:35 Jordach VanessaE, quite open with many (old style) trees
20:35 VanessaE Jordach: go to my server.  Go east from the spawn to the jungle around my brick house.  Report. :-)
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20:35 Jordach alrighty then
20:36 Jordach VanessaE, id suggest making 256px the optimal pack for quality and mod friendly
20:36 mauvebic 256px??
20:36 Jordach and also default
20:36 mauvebic tabarnacle lol
20:36 Jordach since it RUNS ON 1GB of ram
20:37 mauvebic im feeling the heat at 64px with a little over 500 nodes lol
20:37 Jordach mauvebic, well that shows how powerful my pentium 4 is them
20:37 Jordach then
20:37 Jordach note: my spelling seems to be shit today
20:38 mauvebic my pentium4's fine, its the heatsink/thermal paste thats failing lol
20:38 Jordach mauvebic, i use arctic silver
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20:38 Jordach (fucking awesome how much that stuff absorbs(
20:38 VanessaE gotta run
20:38 VanessaE back later.
20:38 mauvebic i havent changed mine its still stock along with the mobo, everything else in it is new tho lol
20:38 Jordach VanessaE, then youll never know the fps
20:38 VanessaE well duh, msg :-)
20:38 VanessaE or put it here and I can scroll back :-)
20:39 VanessaE anyway, gotta go
20:39 mauvebic though alot of my performance issues last year prolly had something to do with my failing drive (then)
20:39 Jordach what, the artificial ingredients?
20:39 Jordach no failing drive here
20:39 mauvebic well 160gb pata, it had to die at some point lol
20:39 Jordach lolPATA
20:39 Jordach SATA man over here
20:40 mauvebic i hadn't realized how old it was until i bought a new drive and realized the connector didn't fit lol
20:40 mauvebic thankfully the mobo had 4 unused sata ports :-)
20:40 mauvebic the PSU can give 650watt
20:40 mauvebic so im holding onto that lol
20:41 sapier how old is the psu?
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20:41 mauvebic 2 years
20:41 mauvebic last one failed
20:41 sapier so not as old as your drive :-)
20:41 mauvebic naw the drive was 7 years old lol
20:41 mauvebic the 1tb is as old as the PSU
20:42 sapier psu failures are hard to track
20:42 sokomine my onboard grapics card is not the best. though i was surprised that boards with that card onboard are still sold today. and i'd really like to know how much better the diverse sandy/ivy bridge gpus are by comparison :-)
20:42 mauvebic for me it was easy
20:42 mauvebic the computer would powerup for two seconds, and power down, so it was the first thing ichecked
20:42 Jordach oh shit
20:42 Jordach vanessa's serv wont even load
20:43 Jordach its going beyond the call of duty by assigning 1.5gb to the pagefile
20:43 sokomine jordach: first time connect?
20:43 sapier :-) ok if its that obvious ... I've often replaced psu on pure guess for instable systems
20:43 mauvebic and 2 months ago, it would power up, but nothing would boot and it couldn't find the boot drive lol
20:43 sapier 1.5gb? I assume it'll crash soon by bad_alloc
20:43 mauvebic sometimes it can be something as stupid as BIOS batteries lol
20:44 Jordach sapier, 0fps
20:44 Jordach ZERO. F.P.S
20:44 Jordach and it died
20:44 sapier haven't had this problem by now mauvebic
20:44 mauvebic and obviously, never let friends install random shit when they say "but its better!" lol
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20:44 sokomine with psu, the one used for this computer here first was dead on arrival. gave me some puzzle :-(
20:44 mauvebic 90% of the computers i fixed is for people who let people install shit who claimed to be experts lol
20:45 sokomine zero fsp? never managed that. even had 3 fps with lots of tree leaves. maybe that's the bottom number displayed
20:45 sapier yea and 90% of this 90% could have been fixed for half price
20:45 mauvebic and opensource consultants and support techs could work for free too but they need to eat :p
20:46 mauvebic so i have a pretty low high threshold for stupidity in business but very little for anything else lol
20:46 sapier still replacing parts wich obviously aren't bad isn't way to do it
20:46 mauvebic *high
20:47 mauvebic no, i just said 90% is software, i never said i changed parts for nothing, im not a mechanic lol
20:47 mauvebic but time is time weather your reinstalling the OS or changing parts
20:47 sapier but I assume this won't be a problem for long as more and more parts are integrated so there soon won't be anything left to replace
20:47 marktraceur whether* you're*
20:48 sapier of course time is expensive I'd never doubt that
20:48 mauvebic i once had someone insist on windows2K upgrades for his office for computers that were meant to run 95
20:48 sokomine yes, seems so :-( with smartphones or tablets, there remains hardly anything which can be replaced
20:49 mauvebic i told them not to, they yelled at me, i did it, and they paid my time the next day to put it back the way it was...lol
20:49 sapier hmm I've updated from win98 to w2k once
20:49 sapier but had to buy additional memory too
20:49 mauvebic theres an incredible amount of money to be made from stupidty
20:49 mauvebic even when you warn them
20:50 sapier yes most ppl won't believe you
20:50 mauvebic exactly
20:50 sapier I can't remember how often I've told my cousin "backup your drive" ...
20:51 sapier I've been loughed at and called paranoid ;-) ... as some ppl call me here too ;-)
20:51 marktraceur laughed* people*
20:51 sapier he messed up his partition table ... I could help him with that
20:52 sapier 2 month later his sister came to me ... her drive really crashed ...
20:52 sapier I couldn't help this time
20:53 mauvebic i dont really make backups i have copies on diff computers and lots of emails to myself with attachments lol
20:53 marktraceur don't* different*
20:53 sapier i'd call this a different backup strategy ;-)
20:55 sapier I don't do backups very often too ... still I've everything on raid1 mirrors ... but this only helps against hardware errors not user mistakes
20:55 marktraceur either* errors,*
20:56 sokomine reminds me that i need a new backup-drive....
20:57 sapier marktraceur are you a teacher? :-)
20:57 thexyz fuck this grammar nazi
20:58 marktraceur sapier: No, though I think somebody else has made that assumption in the past.
20:58 marktraceur sapier: I'm what we call "literate".
20:58 marktraceur You may know it by a different name, "able read good"
21:00 sapier sorry don't know anything about this. Still I assume it's not that bad to get told what you're doing wrong when writing a foreign language
21:00 marktraceur Indeed. I've had a lot of people say that to me before, so I can adequately rationalize my impersonal criticism of others' grammar.
21:01 marktraceur sapier: I think the issue may be that most Americans see being wrong as a reflection of their own shortcomings, whereas most others see it as an opportunity to learn something.
21:03 mauvebic i call it being anal but wtv
21:03 sapier Everyone has his own faults ... not quite right word I gusse ... mine is to see security wholes everywhere :-)
21:03 sapier ooops
21:03 sapier lots of typos in one sentence
21:05 sokomine safest way: use /msg to tell what was wrong :-). it does help if someone who has a better knowledge of the language corrects mistakes so that one can learn
21:05 marktraceur mauvebic: Homophobia has no place here
21:06 marktraceur sokomine: I happen to prefer educating the masses, rather than one person.
21:07 mauvebic <Octupus> netgear is gay is more homophobic than thinking someone is being anal
21:08 sokomine hm, since a large number of people here aren't native speakers that might be a good idea, yes. still...it's more polite to use /msg and thus safer :-)
21:09 mauvebic and i dont really come here to get an education from anyone, rather more for pleasant discussion pertaining to the game
21:09 * marktraceur doesn't particularly think that teaching is rude
21:09 mauvebic and derailing a conversation with offtopic grammar corrections is considered rude in some circles
21:09 marktraceur mauvebic: Proper English will enhance the pleasantness of the discussion!
21:09 sapier plz don't start a discussion about political incorrect abusive words here, we've got a discussion about sexism in germany atm because some politician said to a journalist she would look great in a dirndl
21:10 celeron55 oh language and gay flamewars!
21:10 mauvebic lol
21:10 celeron55 i love you all, yes homo!
21:10 marktraceur celeron55: Well, the homophobia thing was a joke :)
21:10 sapier no it's not quite a war ;-)
21:11 sapier at least not yet
21:11 sokomine as long as you don't pull out the SpielerInnen version!
21:11 * sokomine runs away screaming :-)
21:11 * mauvebic loads kitten cannon
21:11 sapier "SpielerInnen" version?
21:11 celeron55 i'm always ready to overdo bad things enough to make other people bored to continue
21:12 sokomine that mutilation of the german language where people exaggerate the gender issue
21:12 sapier lol celeron I don't think you'd be successfull in current sexism debate in germany  ... I think womans rights are important too but what is discussed in germany atm is strange
21:13 mauvebic we have a fat blond premier too
21:14 marktraceur mauvebic: How is he doing in the job?
21:15 sapier It's another question if its wise of a almost 70 old politician to tell a journalism somethin about her dirndl look (you know thos bavarian woman dresses usually worren by woman with ... lets say not too small breasts)
21:17 celeron55 i'm pretty safe to say i'm the worst nazi sexist on this channel
21:17 sapier lol but no one will believe you
21:18 celeron55 i won't ever show it in a serious way though
21:20 sapier I sometimes wonder what nazis in different countrys think about each other
21:21 marktraceur countries*
21:21 sapier I was expecting that
21:21 sapier :-)
21:21 mauvebic greek nazis... golden something... showers?
21:21 celeron55 i think there are so many kinds of nazis that that question is practically invalid 8)
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21:22 sapier nice way to work around the problem celeron ;-)
21:23 * marktraceur imagines there are nazis in this world who hate socialism
21:23 sapier just deny its existence ... by the way I've written a explanation why loopcount won't catch the dtime problem and what exactly is the dtime problem ;-)
21:24 celeron55 nazism = nationalism + socialism + a very bad stain made by some crazy 1900's germans
21:24 sokomine depends on what you understand by it. it sometimes worries me when children from other contries come to a german minecraft server and have nothing better to do then build a nazi-cross :-( most likely they have no idea about what that stands for
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21:24 celeron55 sokomine: it has been used for many other things than nazis before the nazis existed
21:25 sokomine ah yes, a soultion of the dtime problem would be good :-) i had it a lot of times yesterday with my singleplayer world
21:25 sapier true but in western world its linked to german history
21:25 marktraceur The backwards one is a symbol of peace, IIRC.
21:26 sapier strange coincidence
21:26 celeron55 maybe, and for example the straight horizontal/vertical one is something related to the finnish air force, afaik
21:26 marktraceur I'm not entirely sure it is a coincidence, but all right.
21:26 celeron55 and the list goes on forever
21:26 sapier you mean a two sides of same medal thing?
21:26 sokomine in this special case it may be that some children (many minecraft players seem very young) don't know more about germany. and maybe when they read in the rules that those signs are forbidden that adds extra intrest for young children - especially when they're told not to grief. most don't want to express a political view i think
21:27 sapier but I assume prior nazis abused it that symbol wasn't loaded with that much bad things either
21:27 marktraceur *nod* I'd imagine not
21:27 sokomine yes, it's a much older symbol and a very simple grapics thing
21:27 celeron55 sokomine: often the children tell the truth - the truth there might be that people shouldn't get silly about a symbol
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21:28 sapier yes but we all know about power of symbols
21:28 sapier think about red/green cross
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21:29 sokomine right. it's not the symbol that did the bad things. it was people...who mostly wheren't bad either. i really hope that time does not repeat
21:29 celeron55 if somebody goes and shoves people in gas chambers - sure, that is seriously bad 8)
21:31 sokomine it starts earlier...much earlier. maybe when you believe that someone else is responsible for all the problems in the world and that there is an easy soulition if only some people are allowed to do a few grey things...(that they turn dark black in the end isn't immediately obvious)
21:31 sapier yes it is ... catching ppl and taking them to gulags in siberia isn't good either ... both things shall never happen again
21:32 celeron55 my request is that people wouldn't get so blindfolded about everything else done in germany at that time because of the terrible thing somebody got in their heads - keep in mind that at that time, i... think that in america black people weren't allowed to do much things, eg. vote
21:34 celeron55 also, i didn't really want this to happen to this discussion, but oh well
21:35 sapier hmm you're right, it started with a language discussion ;-)
21:35 sokomine yes, sorry. godwins law :-/
21:35 celeron55 i just find it silly that the "liberal" people of today aren't really that liberal
21:35 sokomine but there is still this dtime-issue sapier mentioned? you're the expert on that :-)
21:35 celeron55 they're just liberal towards their definition of being liberal
21:36 sapier hmm in germany liberals are those proposing free markets :-)
21:36 sokomine hm, i always think of liberal as "open-minded" - but that does not seem to be in any way related to the political usage of the term
21:37 marktraceur celeron55: The Constitution technically said that black people could vote in the 19th century, but segregation still happened for....a long time
21:37 marktraceur 1956 was the year of Brown v. Board, I think
21:37 sapier but lets stick back to minetest :-) dtime limit for example ;-)
21:38 sapier https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/431
21:38 sokomine or that strange bug which caused the kingarthur server to be almost unusable yesterday. we still havn't figured out the reason :-( but without further access to logs or ways to try out diffrent approaches, there is maybe no way to find out
21:39 celeron55 sapier: if you want to limit speed*dtime, then limit the result of that exact equation, that is total position change
21:39 celeron55 not just some of those two
21:41 sapier as I've written I don't want to limit this to an exact value if not necessary
21:41 sapier as long as dtime stays small I don't see any benefit in limiting this product
21:42 sapier but if dtime increases due to performance issues this limit is usefull
21:42 sokomine hmpf. right now firefox goes on my nerves by consuming cpu power while having nothing to do - static display, no flash, no javascript, just a couple of minetest-forum-tabs and similar tabs :-( (but that hasn't got to to with mt)
21:43 sapier for example if your machine can handle 100x100x100 cubes at ease why limit it to 40x40x40
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21:43 sokomine is there a way to find out how much the machine can handle?
21:44 sapier not exactly as it depends on current situation
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21:47 sapier celeron another problem is to fix the problem I'd have to add a limit far to small for some problem cases
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22:18 OldCoder Hey
22:18 Uberi o/
22:19 OldCoder NEWS. Actually, just STATUS. I am away much of these week but updates will continue. The new Europe server I've mentioned is still planned and should go up in February. I ask people to coordinate their requests. Could they talk to Doc22 and Baby Face?
22:19 OldCoder I like to make several changes at once when possible
22:19 OldCoder * much of this week on errands
22:19 Uberi a new Europe server?
22:20 babyface1031 ok ty OldCoder
22:21 sapier OldCoder there was a bug discovered in mob_slime https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/archive/2.0.3-oc.zip
22:34 FreeFull Why the zip
22:35 sapier because oldcoder wants links to zips :-)
22:35 sapier at least by now
22:36 berome john_minetest: hi ! Zeg9 site is down, or link changed ?
22:36 john_minetest hmmm...
22:37 john_minetest Yeah. maybe he took it down.
22:37 john_minetest But idk
22:37 berome ok :-)
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23:09 NekoGloop Good afternoon all
23:09 marktraceur Aaaaafternoon, what's up?
23:10 Uberi o/ NekoGloop
23:10 NekoGloop \o Uberi
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23:18 Kacey hye
23:21 Kacey hello?
23:21 Kacey PING
23:21 marktraceur Kacey: What?
23:21 Kacey hye pronounced hi
23:21 marktraceur Kacey: What?
23:22 Kacey hye is pronounced as hi
23:22 marktraceur Kacey: And it was absolutely imperative that someone answer you so you could explain that?
23:22 Kacey idk
23:22 * marktraceur sighs heavily.
23:23 * NekoGloop gives mark a kitten
23:23 marktraceur ....that helps.
23:23 Kacey NekoGloop, did you enjoy my last statement last night?
23:25 marktraceur 18:51 <Kacey> "go to sleep"
23:25 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;v=B77Sk1HRt20
23:25 Kacey ep that statement
23:25 Kacey yep, even
23:26 NekoGloop Why are we randomly quoting Kacey now?
23:26 marktraceur NekoGloop: Kacey asked about your reaction to a statement. I provided context.
23:26 * sokomine wants a kitten as well
23:26 NekoGloop Oh, hey, the ignore list works. Sweet.
23:26 marktraceur sokomine: Here, have mine, I feel better
23:27 * sokomine thanksmarktraceur and pats the kitten
23:27 marktraceur NekoGloop: A sound choice.
23:29 Kacey :(
23:31 Uberi was someone giving out kittens?
23:31 marktraceur Uberi: NekoGloop as always :)
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23:32 marktraceur OnlyHuman: Welcome :)
23:32 sokomine hm. why does it take me so long to connect to redcrab?
23:32 Kacey welcome OnlyHuman
23:32 sokomine hi
23:32 OnlyHuman thanks Kacey
23:33 OnlyHuman thanks marktraceur
23:33 Kacey no problem
23:33 marktraceur OnlyHuman: There's been a not-so-amazing history of packaging for GNU/Linux distros, though it definitely happens
23:34 * NekoGloop hands an espcially fluffy kitten to Uberi
23:34 Uberi :O
23:35 OnlyHuman marktraceur: I assume its down to a distro dev to build the pkg unless you supply them :)
23:35 Uberi ^(^.^)^
23:35 Uberi (        )~~
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23:35 Uberi o/ mauvebic
23:35 mauvebic howdy
23:35 marktraceur OnlyHuman: Basically yeah. We haven't really done anything to my knowledge, so somebody has to get up and do it.
23:36 marktraceur There might be some work from...0.3.3, which is 0.1.1 versions ago
23:36 NekoGloop That's only a year ago
23:36 NekoGloop should still work
23:36 NekoGloop ;-)
23:36 marktraceur And that was for .deb, I don't know when the .rpm was tried (or if it ever was)
23:36 Kacey https://github.com/celeron55/mesetint
23:37 OnlyHuman hopefully on forum I posted link to, someone will try on debian using the script that was on your forum
23:37 marktraceur https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=753513
23:37 marktraceur 0.3.1 RPM
23:39 OnlyHuman so a redhat rpm was made, have to lookout for it, though dunno if compatable with rpm 5
23:40 NekoGloop So more linus users
23:40 NekoGloop linux even
23:42 OnlyHuman thanks found an old rpm on rpm.pbone.net
23:42 marktraceur GNU/Linux even :)
23:43 OnlyHuman a old mandriva the packager name looks familiar too :)@
23:43 NekoGloop If you don't say MS-Windows when talking about windows, I don't say GNU/Linux when talking about Linux.
23:43 meldrian good night guys! cuSoon
23:43 marktraceur NekoGloop: You also don't say NT when talking about Windows
23:44 NekoGloop Therefore, saying GNU/Linux is also unnecessary.
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23:44 marktraceur NekoGloop: No, because you need to distinguish between the kernel and the OS.
23:45 marktraceur When I say "Linux hackers" I don't mean the authours of coreutils.
23:45 NekoGloop Yes but that's you.
23:45 marktraceur NekoGloop: How do other people distinguish between the kernel and the OS?
23:46 NekoGloop By the fact that I don't specify "the Linux OS".
23:46 NekoGloop :P
23:46 marktraceur NekoGloop: Perhaps more importantly, how do you distinguish between GNU/Linux and, say, an Android-type system?
23:46 marktraceur Which is BusyBox/Linux
23:46 marktraceur Or Mac OS X, which is BusyBox/XNU IIRC
23:47 NekoGloop I'm not generalizing to GNU/Linux. If I was, I'd say so.
23:47 marktraceur NekoGloop: Well, OK, what does "Linux" mean? To what software are you referring when you say that?
23:47 NekoGloop Linux OS's on computers, Android phones, etc.
23:48 NekoGloop I'm generalizing.
23:48 marktraceur NekoGloop: So you mean Linux-*based* operating systems.
23:48 marktraceur NekoGloop: How do you specify the Linux project?
23:48 NekoGloop as "the Linux project". If i even knew/cared what that was.
23:49 marktraceur Hm.
23:49 marktraceur I'd suggest looking up the meaning of the things whose names you're mistaking before you firmly state that you know what you're saying.
23:50 NekoGloop But if I don't know I'm making a mistake, how can I attempt to fix it?
23:50 marktraceur NekoGloop: By learning.
23:51 marktraceur You've realized yourself that there's a gap in your understanding. So go fill it.
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23:51 NekoGloop It's irrelevant to me.
23:51 NekoGloop I don't use/care about Linux :l
23:52 marktraceur NekoGloop: But you've stated that you have a firm opinion on the name. It seems unreasonable for you to say such a thing without understanding the things about which you've formed an opinion.
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23:52 Uberi marktraceur: too bad that doesn't apply to polititians :P
23:52 marktraceur Uberi: It does, which is one reason I abstained this last election
23:53 marktraceur But that's a conversation for another day, perhaps
23:53 Uberi yep
23:53 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAOVUunwjY boredom
23:59 jojoa1997 yes true boredom

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