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00:02 OldCoder Back
00:02 OldCoder Kacey, k
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00:15 Kacey dinner
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00:16 NekoGloop Meow
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00:19 sapier funny nobody seams to recognize if a fish swims tail front :-)
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00:31 FreeFull sapier: How many fish do that?
00:33 sapier at least fish_blue white is swiming wrong way since mesh model was added
00:35 telek Hrmm.
00:35 telek voxel.js
00:35 telek Possible to write a minetest client against it?
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00:44 Kacey back
00:45 kaeza wb
00:47 Kacey ty
01:01 Kacey if(B) sbi(C,A)
01:01 Kacey is that good code for a microcontroller?
01:04 VanessaE put a semicolon at the end.
01:05 Kacey -_- a freaking semicolon
01:05 Kacey ty though
01:05 VanessaE np.
01:05 Kacey made a d-flip-flop
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01:20 Kacey hello
01:20 Kacey i made a d-flip-flop
01:22 VanessaE cool
01:22 Kacey that durn semicolon
01:23 sapier [MOBF 1.9.15 - feature freeze release prior to 2.0] http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629
01:24 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaDhpcg/screenshot_2020581894.png my overly complicated lock
01:25 VanessaE that's some lock :-)
01:26 sapier what are those chips in this circuit?
01:27 Kacey AND gates
01:27 VanessaE at the left, microcontrollers.  Everything else is AND gates
01:27 Kacey haha so many RS-flops
01:27 Kacey it is a little complicated
01:27 sapier thats next to cheating ;-) ... semiconductors ... tztz
01:27 VanessaE damn right :-)
01:29 Kacey more mesecons inventions
01:29 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaDhvMA/screenshot_2040406637.png basic d-flop
01:30 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaDhvMQ/screenshot_2040418785.png 7 seg display
01:30 sapier I wonder why everyone thinks porting halflife to linux is a big achievement ... halflife is quake1 engine ... quake1 runs on linux for ages
01:30 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaDhvMg/screenshot_2040425920.png lightstone thing
01:31 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaDhvMw/screenshot_2040434142.png big d-flop that goes to my door
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01:31 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaDhvNA/screenshot_2040446345.png the door
01:32 VanessaE what are these white blocks you're building on anyway?
01:32 sapier i once needed a whole cave in minecraft to create a 6 bit lock ... using flipflops seams like cheating
01:32 VanessaE (and why are they glowing in some places?_
01:32 Kacey cloud blocks and lighting glitches
01:33 VanessaE sapier: no moreso than using a couple of 7474's instead of dozens of transistors in a real circuit.
01:33 VanessaE Kacey: get worldedit from git, select a HUGE area around the glitches (especially above), use the //fixlight command
01:34 Kacey i have worldedit
01:34 VanessaE is it the latest git with //fixlight ?
01:35 Kacey no but idc about the lighting bug
01:35 VanessaE ok
01:36 VanessaE sfan5|OFF: suggestion, if the user specifies //set air or //replace xxxx air, automatically run //fixlight on the nodes that were modified
01:36 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaDhvNQ/screenshot_2040893380.png huh nice concept
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01:41 * VanessaE waits for minetestmapper.py to finish...
01:43 Kacey haha
01:44 VanessaE hmmmm: is it normal for a world to have sharp transitions between parts generated by the mapgen from before your "let's call it v6 and add a framework for v7" update and that which was generated after?
01:45 Kacey afk
01:47 hmmmm not at all
01:47 hmmmm vanessa, screenshot?
01:47 VanessaE ok.  Guess I spotted a bug then :-)
01:47 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/my_world_map.png
01:47 VanessaE look toward the bottom center area around -675 or so.
01:48 hmmmm yeah i see it...
01:48 hmmmm wtf i tested for this
01:48 hmmmm vanessa, i'm really sorry
01:48 VanessaE it's okay
01:49 hmmmm once it's fixed we can delete those blocks manually and regenerate it the right way
01:49 VanessaE I only just noticed it a few mins ago in fact.
01:49 VanessaE you can do this!
01:49 VanessaE ?
01:49 VanessaE manually delete blocks from the map file I mean
01:49 hmmmm obviously.
01:49 hmmmm the map file is just a database
01:50 VanessaE cool.  I've been wanting, for a long while, to pretty much delete everything not already occupied by a structure of one sort or another just to let the map regenerate with my trees etc
01:51 hmmmm omg that is completely different
01:51 hmmmm wtf
01:51 VanessaE if the data is useful, the world file is at http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/My_World_server.tar.bz2
01:51 hmmmm what's your map seed?
01:51 VanessaE um, good question
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01:51 VanessaE hold
01:51 VanessaE seed = 1432999081304730680
01:51 VanessaE hey bas080.
01:51 bas080 Hey VanessaE
01:52 VanessaE hmmmm: that world file should have all of the default data including all the mgv6* stuff in map_meta.txt
02:00 VanessaE hmmmm: I remember seeing similar things on one of my really old (now long lost) maps when it was imported from 0.3.x to 0.4.x
02:02 hmmmm christ..... 1.3GB
02:02 hmmmm i've gotta only save chunk differences fast
02:02 hmmmm ah most if it is rollback apparently
02:02 VanessaE ?
02:03 VanessaE oh
02:03 VanessaE I figured those changes were stored a log or something, not in the map, per se.
02:03 hmmmm they are
02:03 hmmmm rollback.txt is 1.0GB
02:03 VanessaE oh haha
02:03 VanessaE I didn't
02:04 VanessaE I didn't think to exclude it from the archive
02:04 VanessaE sorry about that
02:04 hmmmm it's okay
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02:08 hmmmm omg i have no idea where to even start
02:09 * VanessaE updates her script accordingly
02:09 VanessaE leave it to me to make life difficult for you :-/
02:10 hmmmm alright this might not take 5 minutes
02:10 hmmmm sorry
02:11 VanessaE it's okay
02:11 VanessaE shit happens
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02:11 VanessaE I'm sorry for springing this on you so suddenly :)
02:21 kaeza night all
02:21 VanessaE night kaeza
02:27 hmmmm 704, 0, 0
02:27 hmmmm oh shit i know exactly what the problem is
02:27 hmmmm this is difficult to fix too
02:28 VanessaE oh boy.
02:28 hmmmm er no, nevermind, that's not a problem
02:28 hmmmm but it's something that may be a problem in the future when people start using different spread factors
02:30 VanessaE great, now my server won't start.
02:30 * VanessaE wonders what she broke :-/
02:33 VanessaE ok something is fucked up - it won't start even with no mods installed.
02:33 VanessaE ok, it's one of the player files.
02:34 VanessaE oh well, fuck it.  Everyone loses their inventories and spawn locations.
02:34 VanessaE they can all start out from the static spawn.  it's not like items have any value on this server, being creative mode.
02:40 OldCoder It will be fine
02:40 VanessaE OldCoder: first, PlayerArgsEnd, then "too many items" in another file, now one of them is causing the server to lock up on the way up.
02:41 VanessaE so they're all moved out of the way and things are good again.
02:45 VanessaE I hope this isn't a sign of some deeper problem on my machine or so
02:46 mauvebic failing drive type problem?
02:46 VanessaE doubt it
02:46 VanessaE but I hope not
02:46 mauvebic ive experienced every type of hardware failure imaginable :P from hard drives to fans to leaking capacitors on the mobo lol
02:48 mauvebic refurbished often means recalled or defective lol
02:48 VanessaE a geek friend of mine years ago always told me, refurbished also means "whatever is going to break has already broken and been fixed"
02:49 VanessaE e.g. probably safer than brand new
02:49 mauvebic you'd be surprised sometimes lol
02:49 VanessaE no I wouldn't :-)
02:49 VanessaE I've had my share of hardware failures
02:49 mauvebic there were a couple of shops where i used to live that bought these defective computers and just sold them as is
02:49 VanessaE from literally smoked chips to mechanical failure to you name it
02:49 VanessaE now that's stupid
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02:50 mauvebic yeah, though... theyre useful for parts
02:50 mauvebic you can get a refurbished for 100$ sometimes, and its got enough parts for my P4 to tough it out another 2-3 years
02:51 VanessaE well all I know is I've bought refurb for years and never had a failure that wouldn't have happened to a brand new item in less time anyway :)
02:51 VanessaE but then, I can't begin to count how many spinning rust drives I've had fail over the users
02:51 VanessaE s/users/years/
02:52 mauvebic two months ago was the first time i had a drive fail on me while in the case lol
02:53 hmmmm jeez
02:53 hmmmm woah the mapgen used to be slow as anything
02:54 VanessaE hmmmm: it is indeed faster now
02:54 hmmmm vanessa, the regression happened before my commits
02:54 VanessaE oh?
02:54 VanessaE figures.
02:54 hmmmm i am looking at the same coordinates from c691d619c2
02:54 VanessaE at least you know you didn't break it :D
02:55 VanessaE I'll be back in 30-45 mins.
02:55 hmmmm yeah i knew it wasn't my stuff breaking because i tested it
02:56 hmmmm vs. 0.4.4-d1
02:56 hmmmm what's the last version you upgraded from?
02:56 hmmmm we can do a binary search on the commits to find where stuff went wrong
02:57 VanessaE I pull from git occasionally.  I *think* my last major update was to ...well in fact I think it was THAT commit.
02:57 VanessaE c691d619c2 I mean.
02:58 VanessaE before that was probably 443bbe6z78[...]
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02:58 VanessaE er, s/z/a/
02:58 VanessaE so probably between those two commits is where it went wrong
02:58 hmmmm well i'll look for things in that range that might've broken this
02:58 VanessaE anyway, bbiab.
02:58 hmmmm but now here's the thing
02:58 hmmmm even if i do find it
02:58 hmmmm what are we going to do, fix it?
02:59 hmmmm the regression has been around for a couple months now or something
02:59 VanessaE no way, it ain't that old
02:59 VanessaE a couple weeks tops
02:59 VanessaE out for real now --->
03:05 hmmmm it happened before it hit 0.4.4
03:05 hmmmm this is kind of old
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03:07 hmmmm http://i.imgur.com/on90b3o.jpg
03:08 hmmmm compare that to ~704,0 in your world overview
03:08 hmmmm i'm going to say this isn't my bug at all, sorry vanessa :p
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03:32 Kacey hello all
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03:33 jojoa1997 kacey hunger games?
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03:33 Kacey ?
03:34 jojoa1997 go on 0gb.us:30002 and see
03:34 jojoa1997 it is a hunger games server
03:34 Kacey !up 0gb.us 30002
03:34 Minetest-tan 0gb.us:30002 is up (0.393ms)
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03:34 Kacey i dont like the hunger games anyways
03:35 jojoa1997 oh ok nvm
03:36 Kacey maybe 0gb.us would host a mesecons server for me...
03:36 jojoa1997 no he is only doing this temporarily
03:36 jojoa1997 just for a couple weeks
03:41 Kacey :-/
03:41 Kacey nobody will host a server for me
03:41 Kacey maybe M13 he likes me
03:46 harrison I like the rat
03:47 harrison I hope it is still in mine test
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03:52 Kacey i am making a basic RAM unit
03:56 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyioWC3S2PY using this for reference
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04:04 * VanessaE has returned.
04:04 VanessaE hmmmm: any idea what caused it?
04:04 Kacey wb VanessaE
04:05 VanessaE OldCoder: a world/game/etc update is available
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04:07 VanessaE thanks
04:08 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4598 please move sil vous plait :-)
04:08 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaDhwZg/screenshot_2049999626.png can you tell what this is?
04:09 VanessaE Kacey: RAS/CAS addressing layout?
04:09 Kacey ?
04:09 Kacey uum no
04:10 VanessaE heh
04:10 Kacey RAM unit (wip)
04:10 VanessaE RAM (DRAM) uses rows and column addresses :-)
04:10 VanessaE RAS = Row Address Strobe
04:11 Kacey ?
04:11 VanessaE nevermind :)
04:11 Kacey it is still a work in progress but you know
04:12 Kacey btw thanks for that help with the d-flop
04:12 hmmmm vanessa, i do not, but whatever it is, it's definitely more than 2 months old.
04:12 VanessaE shows how much my map gets explored then
04:13 hmmmm hah, that's awesome, you're making ram in minetest
04:13 Kacey ya
04:13 hmmmm EE seems really funl
04:13 Kacey im working towards a computer
04:13 hmmmm fun*
04:13 Kacey im using minecraft vids and making them in minetest
04:14 Kacey (with some cheats of course) :P
04:14 hmmmm lol
04:15 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xTEfU1ODiI
04:15 Kacey you know...
04:16 Kacey someone should make review vids on my projects
04:18 VanessaE hmmmm: well I did make a mention in the server topic about resetting the map...
04:19 OldCoder hi
04:19 OldCoder VanessaE, I know, t y
04:19 VanessaE hi
04:19 OldCoder Hi!
04:19 OldCoder VanessaE, PM
04:27 VanessaE so far I got no consensus on resetting the map.  1 reset & copy all useful structures, 1 reset and start over from scratch, 1 no reset.
04:30 Kacey flip a coin
04:32 jojoa1997 ]i say restart from sscratch
04:35 hmmmm oh my god i'm dying here
04:35 hmmmm more questions than answers
04:35 VanessaE ?
04:35 hmmmm so many bugs
04:35 hmmmm i am about to give up and do something else
04:35 VanessaE are you still fighting it out trying to find the map regression?
04:36 hmmmm nope, i'm working on what i was doing before
04:36 VanessaE oh ok
04:36 Kacey bbl
04:36 hmmmm yeah i'm done with that one so i can figure out this one
04:36 hmmmm it's nuts
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05:22 Kacey hello all
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05:24 mauvebic blasts! i could use more beer but i let the chauffeur have the rolls tonight :/
05:24 Kacey haha
05:25 * Kacey hands mauvebic a beer
05:25 mauvebic hmm, if i had a chauffeur id prolly be drinking fancy-ass wine with a bunch of posers lol
05:25 Kacey have one on me
05:26 mauvebic at this point its half past midnight so naturally were making coffee :p
05:26 * Kacey throws coffee beans at mauvebic
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05:27 Kacey it is about half past 10 here
05:27 mauvebic midwest?
05:27 Kacey colorado
05:28 mauvebic so in relation to vancouver.... to south or south-east? lol
05:28 Kacey vancouver is where in canada?
05:28 Kacey east?
05:28 Kacey west?
05:29 mauvebic west coast
05:29 mauvebic above seattle
05:29 mauvebic well washington state
05:29 mauvebic true story: i aced history at 100%, failed geography at 4% lol
05:30 Kacey how are you later than me?
05:30 mauvebic well im on eastern time
05:31 Kacey aah
05:31 Kacey im in mst
05:31 mauvebic mountain time?
05:34 Kacey ya
05:35 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qloBPxqV7sM
05:36 Kacey omg my sides hurt from this
05:37 Kacey PING
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05:44 Kacey stupid wifi
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05:50 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoO3K5vOEg
05:50 Kacey haha
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05:56 Kacey herpderp
06:06 Kacey Doc22, PING
06:06 Doc22 what
06:06 khonkhortisan Pong: wrong return address
06:07 Doc22 hmm
06:07 Kacey haha
06:07 Kacey i made a basic RAM card with mesecons
06:07 khonkhortisan Are you going to go multi-process?
06:10 Kacey idk i still have to perfect the basic one lol
06:12 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaDhwZg/screenshot_2049999626.png the last screen i took of it
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06:24 Kacey trolololo
06:25 khonkhortisan trolo: it looks small
06:30 * Kacey pokes VanessaE
06:31 VanessaE ow.
06:31 Kacey ^_^
06:32 Kacey my RAM looks awesome
06:33 VanessaE cool
06:34 Kacey anyone interested in making a server for a group build of mesecons?
06:35 khonkhortisan I would go there
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06:38 Kacey but we need someone to make and host a server for it
06:40 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI9rcHXr3uw
06:42 Kacey complicated...
06:48 Kacey 0001
06:48 Kacey 0010
06:48 Kacey 0100
06:49 Kacey 1000
06:49 Kacey 0011
06:49 Kacey 0101
06:49 Kacey 0110
06:49 Kacey 0111
06:49 Kacey 1001
06:49 Kacey 1010
06:49 Kacey 1011
06:49 Kacey 1101
06:50 Kacey 1110
06:50 Kacey 1111
06:50 hmmmm please stop flooding the channel
06:50 Kacey sorry
06:50 hmmmm it's okay
06:50 Kacey i was counting
06:50 Kacey in binary
06:50 hmmmm rotary binary encoding
06:50 hmmmm or actually no
06:51 hmmmm dunno what that is supposed to be
06:51 Kacey binary
06:51 Kacey 0001 is 1
06:51 Kacey 0010 is 2
06:51 Kacey all the way up to 15
06:51 hmmmm and is 0100 supposed to be 3?
06:53 Kacey no
06:54 Kacey 0011 is 3
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06:54 hmmmm you can't really say you were counting then
06:54 Kacey (+8)(+4)(+2)(+1)
06:54 hmmmm "1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 7, frosted butts, 4, SHIT!"
06:54 hmmmm "i messed up again!"
06:54 Kacey i only said the bases first lol
06:55 Kacey Jeija hi
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06:55 Kacey i made a RAM card using mesecons
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06:59 Jeija hi Kacey, nice!
07:00 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaDhwZg/screenshot_2049999626.png it looks different now but i am too lazy to take a new screenshot of it
07:11 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhFsuB5AKc garaunteed lag
07:14 khonkhortisan worldedit
07:15 Kacey ?
07:16 khonkhortisan it's easier to make that with worldedit
07:16 khonkhortisan and you can see the sandwave further than you can see the redstone on
07:17 Kacey make what with worldedit?
07:17 khonkhortisan a repetitive structure like that sandwave generator
07:17 Kacey aah
07:18 VanessaE I guess mesecons would be too slow for that ..
07:20 Kacey plus there is no delay
07:21 Kacey wtf is ftw backwards
07:25 VanessaE bbl.  bedtime.
07:25 Kacey bedtime also
08:02 RealBadAngel hi all
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09:39 RealBadAngel Technic is updated to work with latest mesecons, pipeworks and stairsplus
09:39 RealBadAngel more changes comin later today
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09:56 Nore Could you add crafting recipes for the new pipeworks tubes?
09:57 Nore Something like normal tubes + mese for mese tube, + zinc for accelerator tube, etc.
10:10 sfan5 !server
10:10 Minetest-tan sfan5: Redcrab's Minetest Server 0.3.1 | redcrab.suret.net:30031   up (99.941%)
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11:08 Rabbi_Bob Good morning
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11:11 Jordach hey Rabbi_Bob
11:11 Rabbi_Bob Hi Jordach, how are you?
11:11 Jordach im doing fine
11:11 * Jordach is working on a gamemode for minetest
11:13 Rabbi_Bob Nice, is there a post or is this new?
11:16 Jordach i dont release until its done
11:16 Jordach i wont release it*
11:17 * Rabbi_Bob nods
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11:19 Rabbi_Bob RealBadAngel, are you here?
11:20 RealBadAngel yes
11:20 Rabbi_Bob In regards to the technic update and mesecons, did your fix involve "'register_on_signal_on' (a nil value)"?
11:20 Rabbi_Bob or something else
11:21 RealBadAngel i just made it to work with current mesecons. idk nothin about such issue
11:23 Rabbi_Bob k
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11:25 KikaRz Hi!
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11:30 berome hey, RealBadAngel, what about adding an under sea (submarine ?) tree alike, a see-weed, but not floating one, a ~tree
11:31 berome and undersea mine richness, like "corail", for example ?
11:31 berome Is it an idea ? Minecraft has something similar ?
11:31 RealBadAngel quite interesting idea indeed
11:31 berome :-)
11:31 RealBadAngel ive never seen such stuff
11:32 berome you guess I'm not able to deal with that :-/
11:32 RealBadAngel will try to make it
11:35 berome that "must" bring gameplay (recipe, items) something new and cool, but what ? :-)
11:40 Jordach anyone up for bauxite?
11:41 Jordach aluminium people.
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11:44 berome yes of course !
11:44 Jordach berome, parts of my gamemode cross irl and fantasy (probably better than moreores)
11:46 berome hm sounds interresting !
11:46 Jordach berome, admantine can be found, however, you might end up with cobble
11:47 Jordach (since it is hard to break)
11:48 berome you are making new or better tools with admantine ?
11:49 Jordach berome, gamemode
11:49 Jordach ill release it sometime this week
11:50 berome nice new :-)
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11:50 Umbron hello
11:51 Umbron someone here?
11:51 berome hello :-) Umbron
11:51 Umbron hi
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11:54 * Jordach has just noticed the word "ingot" is strange to say
11:56 berome in french we say lingot, strange L switch between languages, too...
11:59 Jordach my iridium, not to be confused with google chromium
11:59 Jordach (irl, iridium shines like the rainbow)
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12:08 Umbron ...
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12:18 Jordach heres the six new ores: http://i.imgur.com/3FfPMhJ.png
12:19 KikaRz Jordach
12:19 KikaRz u could change a bit the position of the rocks... like... - X - X | in another ore: | X - X -
12:20 KikaRz thats one example
12:20 KikaRz depending on the kind of ore.
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12:26 Umbron search a server with pvp and survival with people can anyone help me
12:36 RealBadAngel Umbron, http://minetest.org/worlds.html
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13:43 Jordach KikaRz, now that i've been browsing imgur for an hour, i've lost where i was
13:43 KikaRz ?
13:43 KikaRz Why you said me that?
13:43 KikaRz '-'
13:43 KikaRz well... 20 people died... 30+ are hurted...
13:44 KikaRz and 248 people died on a party in Brazil, Santa Maria, Rio Grande do Sul.
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13:50 Jordach does anyone know if replacements work in the cooking recipe?
13:50 Jordach no, wait, had a better idea
13:51 Exio Jordach: what better idea?
13:52 Jordach Exio, i planned on having the ingot return and the ingot case return, but i thought of a new way to do it
13:52 Jordach (irl, platinum needs to be hardened before it can be used)
13:52 Jordach (and iridium is the metal used.)
14:05 KikaRz w/e, who needs help to get textures for mods?
14:05 KikaRz i'm good at making them
14:05 KikaRz I first plan on the paper... then, i digitalize to the pc... next, i try to color... if i cant, i do bit by bit drawing on pc.
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14:12 proller wtf on forum? Too more links in message. Allowed 1 links. Reduce number of links and post it again. - i try to post message without links
14:13 Jordach proller, grab a screenshoyt
14:13 Jordach shot*
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14:15 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:15 Jordach hello PilzAdam
14:24 OldCoder Hi
14:24 Jordach morning OldCoder
14:24 * Jordach is close to finishing one part of jordach_game
14:25 OldCoder Oh?
14:25 Jordach i plan on economics, new types of minerals
14:26 Jordach (esp. phazon, a liquid that instant kills)
14:26 Jordach phazon can be bucketed, but is only furnace fuel
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14:27 jojoa1997 Hello!
14:29 proller Jordach, swww>>^s  swwwss^s   ^ -
14:29 proller ершы ыекштп сфгыу уккщк
14:29 proller ups, this string cause error
14:29 proller with two www
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14:49 rubenwardy fix it
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14:58 rubenwardy hi all]
15:00 rubenwardy is "license holder" the correct term? https://github.com/rubenwardy/food/blob/master/README.md#license-for-code-and-images
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15:10 rubenwardy lool
15:10 rubenwardy lol
15:10 rubenwardy Top 15 of Mistakes/User:
15:10 rubenwardy 1. xyz  14 Mistakes
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15:32 sfan5 http://xkcd.com/1137/
15:33 Calinou http://xkcd.com/1337
15:33 Calinou 404 until 2014®
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15:39 Calinou http://www.reddit.com/user/StallmansWaifu lol
15:39 * Calinou upvoted that guy's posts
15:39 Calinou poor guy
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15:40 Kacey hello all
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15:41 Calinou ohai lahwran, karma farming much, btw?
15:42 Calinou hi Kacey :P
15:42 jojoa1997 hi kacey
15:42 Kacey hi
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15:47 NekoGloop Meow
15:49 Calinou Jeija: clang didn't like your pull request: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/450
15:49 Calinou :3
15:50 Jeija clang doesn't like any pull requests since the update to clang 3.2, error in rollback.cpp (http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-01-27#i_2840705)
15:55 rubenwardy so many: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pulls
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15:59 markveidemanis hi
16:00 rubenwardy hi...
16:01 * PilzAdam cant read forum topics: "502 Bad Gateway"
16:06 Kacey markveidemanis, hi
16:06 markveidemanis hi
16:08 Kacey i made a basic RAM card in minetest
16:09 markveidemanis mesecons?
16:12 Kacey yep
16:18 NekoGloop PilzAdam: Forums don't like you
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16:24 rubenwardy my favourite server list does not work
16:25 Kacey how many bits in a byte?
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16:28 Penguin_ hey
16:28 rubenwardy Kacey: 8
16:29 Kacey i made 1 byte of memory them ^_^
16:29 rubenwardy lol
16:29 rubenwardy you almost have as much as Vista did
16:29 rubenwardy you almost have as much as Vista has left
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16:30 Kacey haha
16:30 Kacey i am making a 2-bit ram inputto my 2 to 4 decoder
16:31 sapier hmm when is eta of arm instruction set support Kacey ? ;-)
16:33 Kacey ?
16:33 NekoGloop do pistons take into account torches and other attached_node's?
16:34 Kacey idk
16:34 sapier you're recreating microchips at some point you'll have to decide which instructionset to implement ;-)
16:35 Kacey still dont understand
16:35 sapier ok a joke that needs explanation is a bad one ... sorry :-
16:36 Kacey its ok (tech term noob lol)
16:37 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbHZ6uWeR3U
16:37 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibEdgQJEdTA
16:38 sapier ok there are 4 major cpu instruction sets out there arm mips,arm,powerpc and x86  :-) most processors will understand one of them ... maybe minetests cpu's will support one in future too ;-)
16:38 sapier hmm remove first arm to get 4 :-)
16:39 Kacey haha
16:40 Kacey well there need to be other people working on the cpus and what not also
16:40 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57mkfFdvREw for NekoGloop
16:40 NekoGloop Ah, the first one I listened to
16:41 NekoGloop that was a long time ago.
16:41 sapier I assume there's still some basic work to do to get even near a working cpu ... considering current processors have billions of transistors :-)
16:41 Kacey microcontrollers and patience and dedication
16:42 rubenwardy http://tinyurl.com/ar8ef4t
16:43 Kacey wow
16:43 NekoGloop It redirects to tinyurl. :l
16:44 NekoGloop Kacey, http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=OnreY_SDmH4
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16:44 Umbron hello
16:45 rubenwardy trying to get an infinite loop
16:46 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibEdgQJEdTA
16:46 NekoGloop you succeeded
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16:46 * Calinou is playing around with VLC video recording
16:46 Calinou the video is 2× as fast as minetest, though...
16:48 rubenwardy !joke
16:48 rubenwardy Kacey: !joke
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16:49 Kacey O.o
16:49 Kacey command not recognized
16:49 rubenwardy !g google
16:49 Minetest-tan rubenwardy: http://www.google.com/
16:49 Kacey !g bing
16:49 Minetest-tan Kacey: http://www.bing.com/
16:50 rubenwardy damn, someone told me that !g google would crash the internet...
16:50 sfan5 !g crash the internet
16:50 Minetest-tan sfan5: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/how-to-crash-the-internet/680
16:50 rubenwardy <sarcasim>
16:50 sfan5 ^
16:50 Umbron hahaha i will delete the internet xDDDDDD
16:50 Kacey !g Chuck Norris
16:50 Minetest-tan Kacey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris
16:52 rubenwardy !wik how_to_communicate
16:52 Minetest-tan "There is currently no text in this page." - http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/How_to_communicate
16:52 rubenwardy !dev how_to_communicate
16:53 rubenwardy Hello Minetest-tan!
16:53 rubenwardy MinetestBot is a lot more social
16:53 Kacey haha
16:53 Kacey Kaceybot is not social
16:54 Calinou !g sarcasim
16:54 Minetest-tan Calinou: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Sarcasim
16:54 Calinou lol
16:54 sfan5 Hi Minetest-tan
16:54 Minetest-tan Hello sfan5
16:54 sfan5 Hi Minetest-tan!
16:54 sfan5 Hi Minetest-tan !
16:54 sfan5 Hi Minetest-tan
16:54 Minetest-tan Hi sfan5
16:54 rubenwardy Hi Minetest-tan!
16:54 rubenwardy Hi Minetest-tan
16:54 Minetest-tan Hi rubenwardy!
16:54 Kacey !g !g
16:54 Minetest-tan Kacey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force
16:54 Kacey haha
16:55 rubenwardy !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g !g
16:55 Minetest-tan rubenwardy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G
16:55 jojoa1997 !g +Minetest-tan
16:55 Minetest-tan jojoa1997: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBmwhNEEXpA
16:55 sapier sometimes I wonder what a turing test on this chat logs would result
16:55 rubenwardy turing?
16:55 jojoa1997 turing?
16:56 sapier !g turing test
16:56 Minetest-tan sapier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
16:57 jojoa1997 Hi all
16:58 Kacey !commands
16:58 Jordach do we have to play with the bots again
16:58 rubenwardy Minetest-tan bye
16:58 Kacey Jordach:yes lol
16:58 Kacey bye Minetest-tan
16:58 sapier maybe I should add communication support to mobf
16:59 jojoa1997 can someone help me with some modding
16:59 sapier talking to sheep may be interesting for someone
16:59 jojoa1997 https://github.com/Splizard/hungry_games/blob/master/mods/spawning/init.lua that is the code and what i want is when everyone but one person has become a spectator then everyone loses fly and fast and gets back interact
16:59 rubenwardy lol
16:59 Umbron ...
16:59 Jordach ...
16:59 jojoa1997 . . .
16:59 rubenwardy jojoa1997: on player join, add them to a table
16:59 sapier : : :
17:00 rubenwardy on step, check how many do not have fly
17:00 rubenwardy |
17:00 rubenwardy /
17:00 Umbron everytime i write points everybody wants to write points too
17:00 rubenwardy -
17:00 rubenwardy |
17:00 rubenwardy \
17:00 rubenwardy |
17:01 sapier sorry I take back the ": : :" and add , , ,
17:01 Umbron lol
17:01 rubenwardy | / - \
17:01 Umbron so time for a sensless question:
17:01 Umbron how late is it whereever you are
17:02 rubenwardy 5:01:49 pm
17:02 Kacey 10 am
17:02 sapier hmm 1 minute later than a minute ago :-)
17:02 jojoa1997 sorry i dont know how to do it. it isnt even my mod. i just want that to be added to the mod
17:03 NekoGloop noon
17:03 Umbron 18:03 or 6:03 pm
17:03 jojoa1997 here is the stuff for spectating that makes the function happen when you die https://github.com/Splizard/hungry_games/blob/master/mods/dead_drop/init.lua
17:03 sapier it was anounced as senseless question why are you answering that precise? ;-)
17:04 Jordach jojoa1997, just wait until spilzard does it
17:04 jojoa1997 the problem is my hungergames server has a bunch of people dying and no way to get the privs back
17:05 jojoa1997 i have to amnually do it and when i am not there then tuff luck\
17:05 jojoa1997 *mnually
17:05 jojoa1997 *manually
17:05 Jordach jojoa1997, write a script
17:06 jojoa1997 0gb hosts the server and i dont know how to write scripts
17:06 rubenwardy jojoa1997, you could register a /reset_privs command
17:07 jojoa1997 but how can it be done automatically
17:07 Kacey ooh look an ostrich
17:07 Kacey can i ride it?
17:07 Kacey aha!
17:07 rubenwardy (4:59:49 PM) rubenwardy: jojoa1997: on player join, add them to a table
17:07 rubenwardy (5:00:07 PM) rubenwardy: on step, check how many do not have fly
17:07 rubenwardy and if only one does, then reset
17:07 Kacey i will name you george and together we shall conquer all
17:08 * Jordach stabs the ostrich with a gold sword from moreores
17:08 jojoa1997 the problem is that i dont know how to do that or am too tired to think
17:08 * Jordach is tired and grumpy
17:08 Umbron so dont know which server i will visit now
17:08 sapier what happens when you stab it?
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17:11 Kacey oops
17:13 Umbron come on when i want to join the hunger games they are down -.-
17:13 Kacey now i wait for my own server to load
17:14 Umbron know someone when it will be up again
17:14 Kacey crashed my server...
17:14 Kacey 10:14:04: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...st/games/animals/mods/animals/mobf_settings/init.lua:38: attempt to call field 'settings_save' (a nil value)
17:14 Kacey huh?
17:14 Kacey sapier^^
17:15 sapier update cor
17:15 sapier e
17:15 Kacey ?
17:15 sapier settings_save was merged some days ago
17:15 Jordach Kacey, update mobf
17:15 Jordach core == mobf
17:15 Kacey -_-
17:15 sapier no
17:15 Kacey ok
17:15 sapier core is minetest core
17:16 sapier if you can't do that delete mobf_settings
17:16 Calinou does anyone here use VLC for video recording? does anyone know how to fix videos being too fast (editing them to make them slower is not an option, the speed is variable)?
17:17 sapier I don't think there's any chance to fix this if timing information is wrong
17:17 Umbron maybe windows movie maker and "pull the video longer"
17:18 * Jordach spits drink out
17:18 sapier yes but calinou says speed is variable?
17:18 * Calinou is on linux
17:18 Jordach is Calinou recording?
17:18 Calinou nope :)
17:18 Jordach then why would you ask such things
17:18 Jordach :P
17:18 Calinou for minetest
17:18 Umbron use linux movie maker or so
17:18 Calinou MT has no integrated video recording..
17:18 Calinou lol
17:18 berome avidemux perhaps ?
17:19 Kacey go ostrich go!
17:19 Kacey how do i make him go?
17:19 Umbron calinou on your server are lots of unknown blocks
17:20 Kacey COME ON GEORGE!!!!!!
17:21 sapier :-) mount him kacey
17:21 Kacey i have
17:21 Kacey stupid george isnt going anywhere
17:22 sapier you can move around as usual but with more speed when mounting a ostrich?
17:22 Kacey lagged it lol
17:22 Kacey bad lag
17:22 sapier lag? with only ostrich?
17:23 Umbron its so boring
17:23 NekoGloop Mobf == lag :P
17:24 Umbron so another sensless question:
17:24 Umbron on which planet do you live?
17:24 Kacey how do i trade with npc?
17:25 sapier I don't experience any lag ;-) must be your machine ;-)
17:25 Calinou say "hi, i'm jérôme kerviel"
17:25 Calinou the trader will ask you for 4,9 billion €
17:25 berome !up minetest.org 30015
17:25 Minetest-tan minetest.org:30015 is up (0.294ms)
17:25 Calinou s/you for/you
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17:26 jojoa1997 does anyone know if there is a sponge mod
17:26 sapier rightclick the trader
17:27 jojoa1997 that isnt a sponge
17:28 Jordach <sapier> :-) mount him kacey -- best sentance *snigger*
17:28 Kacey George and i are conquering all
17:28 sapier :-) good sentence to be take out of context :-)
17:28 jojoa1997 VanessaE: you there?
17:29 sapier [ANNOUNCEMENT] Mobf 2.0.0 is completed http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629
17:29 Kacey GEORGE!!!!!!! :(
17:30 jojoa1997 will the finite water mod work with VanessaE's  pipeworks mod
17:30 NekoGloop nope
17:31 sapier what happened to george kacey?
17:31 jojoa1997 is it possible to get it to work with the mod
17:31 Kacey he died :(
17:31 sapier everything is possible jojoa it's only a question of how much work you do to get it done.
17:31 Jordach Kacey, so you were riding George Romero's shoulders?
17:31 sapier kacey maybe some way to heal mobs should be added to 2.1
17:32 jojoa1997 ok
17:32 jojoa1997 bye modding time
17:32 NekoGloop pet food
17:32 Jordach sapier, consider using the barn
17:32 Umbron can someone recommend me a server with survival and damage?
17:32 Umbron and pls dont post only minetest.org
17:33 sapier jordach barn to heal mobs?
17:33 Jordach oh gosh this post is now irelevant: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=4798#p4798
17:33 Jordach sapier, yes
17:33 sapier I was thinking about punching with food?
17:33 NekoGloop pet food
17:34 Kacey sapier: make it so that you can throw eggs and have a 50% chance of hacthing a chicken
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17:34 sapier interesting idea kacey
17:35 Kacey ^_^
17:35 Kacey and pigs that you can ride
17:35 Kacey that you have no control over
17:35 sapier btw I'm collecting suggestions for mobf 2.1 atm so just tell me I'll consider about anything .. except ridable bigs thats to minecraft like ;-)
17:35 sapier -b+p
17:36 sapier hmm no control ... that'd be better for steers?
17:36 Umbron boar this guy post so often on facebook my news are full with his sensless posts -.-
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17:37 Kacey oops
17:37 Umbron again: can someone recommend me a server with survival and damage?
17:38 NekoGloop sapier, that's how eggs work in MC
17:38 Kacey EGGWARD!!!!!
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17:38 Umbron but they have there a 1/8 chance
17:38 Calinou <Umbron> can someone recommend me a server with survival and damage?
17:39 Calinou last time I saw a server without damage: 2011 :P
17:39 Calinou (not counting Jordach's pixel art)
17:39 sapier nekogloop ... maybe but it's quite realistic
17:39 Umbron shauns server is empty at the moment...
17:40 NekoGloop random r1 server now?
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17:43 Umbron ...
17:44 * Kacey needs volunteers
17:45 Umbron trying zegs server
17:45 Kacey ##kacey if you are interested
17:47 Umbron wow nobody is online who can give me interact
17:48 * Kacey wants torches to be 3d
17:49 berome Umbron: once your read rules, you can perhaps ask OldCoder for interract
17:51 Umbron is someone here with a server?
17:51 Kacey i donthave port forwarded
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17:53 sapier does anyone know if there's a way to create raillike behaviour of nodes with nodeboxes?
17:53 Umbron im so bored
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17:56 Umbron super the hunger games server is still offline
17:57 Kacey drawtype = raillike i do believe sapier
17:57 sapier yes but you can only specify a texture for raillike not a nodebox :-/
17:58 sapier e.g. if you want to create 3d rails
17:59 Kacey ... idk then
18:00 sapier :-/ I thought so
18:00 Kacey perhaps doing it the hard way...
18:02 Umbron play someone league of legends on west europe?
18:03 Umbron **** 1 min for log in -.-
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18:03 sapier yes creating a node for each style is an option too but in this case I'd create a patch to add core support
18:03 Kacey1 damn
18:03 Kacey1 stupid internet
18:05 Kacey crap i have to go until tonight
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18:12 babyface1031 VanessaE: is there a Jungle Tree Tree
18:12 babyface1031 in the moretree mod
18:12 VanessaE not anymore.
18:12 VanessaE I just pushed a fix to git :-)
18:13 babyface1031 ok so it will be gone when we get the update
18:13 VanessaE I think
18:13 babyface1031 ok thank you
18:13 VanessaE oh yeah.
18:13 VanessaE another fix is needed.
18:13 VanessaE hold.
18:16 VanessaE fixed in moretrees git.
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18:32 markveidemanis Hi!
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18:42 markveidemanis Hi!!
18:43 Calinou ...hi!!!?
18:44 VanessaE hi.
18:44 Umbron hi
18:45 markveidemanis Yay
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18:45 markveidemanis ...so what now? :D
18:45 Umbron is the hunger games server up?
18:45 Umbron no -.-
18:46 OldCoder Hi
18:46 OldCoder Hunger Games Server?
18:46 markveidemanis Hunger games?
18:46 markveidemanis Ahh, jojoa's thing
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18:46 markveidemanis he wants to host another server...
18:46 markveidemanis when he can just use the one he is the admin of :D
18:47 Umbron hunger games: up 1/1 or what xD
18:47 sapier oldcoder I've created a new branch for your special version on release of mobf 2.0 https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/tree/oldcoder_special_2.0
18:48 Umbron so which server should i join?
18:48 babyface1031 hi OldCoder
18:48 markveidemanis My server!
18:50 Umbron ah your server was pilzadams server
18:51 markveidemanis Yep
18:51 markveidemanis Mine now:D
18:53 VanessaE ARGH!
18:53 VanessaE HORRIBLE regression in the way furnaces work in creative mode
18:54 FreeFull How
18:54 VanessaE insert item.  blink.  blink.  blink.    try (blink) to add (blink) fuel... wait (blink) while it (blink) cooks.... try (blink) like hell (blink) to (blink) remove (blink) the results (blink) into your (blink) inventory
18:54 VanessaE where blink = the UI flashes between normal and blanked out e.g. it blinks.
18:54 VanessaE the furnace UI, I mean
18:54 FreeFull Oh
18:54 FreeFull It sounds like it keeps doing hacky swap node for no reason
18:54 VanessaE yep
18:54 VanessaE RBA just said the same.
18:54 VanessaE come on guys, this is a bullshit bug.
18:56 Umbron looks like shauns server is diing
18:56 VanessaE sorry, it is.  I won't even begin to hold back my comment on how fucking stupid that was to use that feature in a critical component of the game versus using it in some future-for-testing object
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18:58 thexyz sfan5: ok, i fixed all my "mistakes"
18:58 thexyz the left ones are done by NekoGloop
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19:00 Umbron coder?
19:00 thexyz well, they include "Liscence" instead of "License"
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19:01 PilzAdam thexyz, I get "502 Bad Gateway" when I try to access any forum topic
19:01 harrison talking to sheep
19:01 harrison lol
19:02 Umbron hallo pilzadam
19:02 PilzAdam hi
19:03 thexyz PilzAdam: no idea
19:03 thexyz >2013/01/27 23:00:48 [error] 26808#0: *4256404 upstream sent too big header while reading response header from upstream, client: *.*.*.* , server: forum.minetest.net, request: "GET /viewtopic.php?id=2434 HTTP/1.1", upstream: "fastcgi://unix:/tmp/fastcgi.socket:", host: "forum.minetest.net", referrer: "http://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=9"
19:04 thexyz though that one only happened once
19:04 sfan5 my script can access forum.minetest.net fine
19:05 mauvebic <sfan5> *** Page 2 | '[Mod] Multinode [20120810] [multinode]' by mauvebic  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2398 ***
19:05 mauvebic <sfan5> [EE] No License found
19:05 mauvebic <sfan5> [EE] No Dependencies found
19:05 mauvebic <sfan5> [EE] No Download found
19:05 mauvebic <sfan5> ^ must be fixed
19:05 mauvebic there's nothing to fix, the mod is old, discontinued, and i dont have the files anymore
19:05 sfan5 should i move it to old mods?
19:05 thexyz then ask someone to move it into "old mods"
19:05 mauvebic i have a few times :p
19:06 mauvebic if its missing a download then ive either merged it or dropped it
19:06 sapier1 write a move request then it's some mods problem ;-)
19:07 mauvebic everything pre-mm2 was on the drive that died on me anyhow :/
19:07 sfan5 mauvebic: moved to "old mods"
19:07 mauvebic thanks :-)
19:08 PilzAdam thexyz, it works now after a relogin
19:09 mauvebic even my older maps are gone :'(
19:09 sfan5 Top 15 of Mistakes/User:
19:09 sfan5 1. mauvebic  21 Mistakes
19:09 PilzAdam thexyz, but the unread topics are now marked as read
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19:09 mauvebic most of those 21 mistakes were threads that i asked to be closed/deleted but was refused
19:10 sfan5 mauvebic: tell me which ones you want to have deleted/closed/moved to "old mods"
19:11 mauvebic ok gimme a sec ill comp a list
19:11 Calinou sfan5: I have no mistakes now :-)
19:11 sfan5 \o/
19:11 sfan5 10. celeron55  4 Mistakes
19:11 sfan5 :O
19:11 sapier sfan whats order for same count of mistakes?
19:12 mauvebic multinode -> already in old
19:12 sfan5 sapier: 1-Z
19:12 sfan5 *A-Z
19:12 mauvebic 4seasons -> Old (was merged with mm2)
19:12 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2314
19:13 sfan5 moved
19:13 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2321 -> Old (was merged)
19:13 sapier then there's a problem VanessaE sapier Nemo08 LorenzoVulcan ...
19:13 VanessaE ?
19:13 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2657 -> Old (discontinued)
19:13 ShadowNinja PilzAdam your upside-down stairs have a server-crashing bug, line 184, ret is assumed to not be nil
19:13 thexyz PilzAdam: that's not related to hosting, punbb somehow messes with read/unread status
19:13 ShadowNinja Slabs*
19:13 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2750 -> Old (merged)
19:14 sfan5 sapier: its Z-A
19:14 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, report it on the GitHub issue tracker
19:14 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2399 -> Old (merged)
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19:14 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2701 -> Old
19:15 mauvebic http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2433 -> Old
19:15 sapier no isn't have alook at Top7 least mistakes/User :-)
19:15 mauvebic that should be it :-) none of my active stuff shows up on the list today
19:15 sfan5 mauvebic: moved.moved.moved.moved.moved.
19:16 mauvebic Yay :-) now someone else can occupy #1 lol thanks :-)
19:17 mauvebic oh and http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4598 -> Releases (if not missing anything?)
19:18 Malar want -> http://voxeljs.com/ (^.^)
19:18 sfan5 mauvebic: is "alt-mint" the mod folder name? if not, you're missing that
19:19 mauvebic well its 'mint' but theres another 'mint' out there
19:19 sfan5 so ,yes?
19:19 sfan5 or no?
19:19 mauvebic should it be [alt][mint]?
19:20 OldCoder Hey
19:20 mauvebic fixed it '[mod]Nodex[mint][version]'
19:20 OldCoder sapier, should I try that?
19:21 sfan5 mauvebic: moved
19:21 mauvebic thanks :-)
19:21 sapier if you're updating next time you should update to this version, it's current stable
19:21 sfan5 i think its time for a new report
19:21 mauvebic a good start on the spring cleaning of the forums
19:22 NekoGloop sfan5: Your report cannot detect my depends because I make mine human-readable :l
19:22 sfan5 what does human-readable mean?
19:22 mauvebic pidgeon english lol
19:22 mauvebic j/k
19:23 mauvebic though some people i cant tell what language their posts are in lol
19:23 NekoGloop human-readable means in a sentence. Not as an entry in a list
19:23 sfan5 to all developers here: you can use the raw statistic data generated by my script with python easily
19:25 sfan5 NekoGloop: it checks for "dependencies","depends","dependency","dependens" and "requires"
19:25 sfan5 *or
19:25 NekoGloop "To run this modpack, you need only the mods found in minetest_game."
19:25 NekoGloop Ahem.
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19:25 sfan5 hm
19:26 kaeza evenings
19:27 VanessaE sfan5: change requires to require (no s) so it can catch require(s) and requirement(s)
19:28 sfan5 ok
19:28 sfan5 Top 15 of Mistakes/User:
19:28 sfan5 1. cornernote  9 Mistakes
19:28 sfan5 ^ mauvebic
19:28 VanessaE I presume you look only at the start of a line of text for these words?
19:28 sapier i doubt cornernote will fix it
19:28 mauvebic lol hard to compete with a dead guy
19:29 VanessaE dead?
19:29 sfan5 he's banned
19:29 sfan5 VanessaE: it searches the whole post
19:29 VanessaE sfan5: I mean at the start of any given line of text in the post.
19:29 thexyz yes, there's no strict format so that tool is mostly useless
19:30 sfan5 it isn't
19:30 mauvebic ok not dead but a ban on the internet is pretty much the equivalent lol
19:30 VanessaE thexyz: afaic, my posts are as close to an official format as one can expect :-)
19:30 mauvebic and LM is like the internets' version of reincarnation lol
19:30 VanessaE (I just tend to change the order of the various sections; Download, Install, License, etc.)
19:30 mauvebic vanessae does it have the royal warrant on both sides? :p
19:30 sfan5 there are rules like "license", "download link", "dependencies listed", ...
19:31 VanessaE mauvebic: the what?
19:31 mauvebic not a fan of keeping up appearances i see :p
19:31 thexyz sfan5: but "dependencies listed" does not mean that your topic should look like "depends: a, b, c"
19:31 VanessaE are you kidding, I love that show.
19:31 VanessaE but I don't know what you mean :-)
19:31 sfan5 thexyz: the script als detects "This mod depends on default and whatever_mod"
19:31 VanessaE thexyz: maybe not, but that's about as crystal clear as it can get, and it's dead easy to make it look that way, so why shouldn't that be necessary?
19:31 mauvebic when he said official the first thing that popped to mind was hyacinth for some reason lol
19:32 marktraceur sfan5: What script is this?
19:32 thexyz sfan5: how about "You should have minetest_game installed"?
19:32 sfan5 marktraceur: https://gist.github.com/4642453
19:32 Rabbi_Bob "Mrs. Bucket?"
19:32 VanessaE mauvebic: heh
19:32 mauvebic its pronounced bouquet
19:32 sfan5 thexyz: well, that doesn't count
19:32 thexyz VanessaE: why should something be necessary when it's not really needed?
19:32 mauvebic the same reason we pay taxes
19:32 sfan5 thexyz: i'm working on supporting things like that
19:32 ShadowNinja PilzAdam, done, issue #115
19:33 VanessaE thexyz: easy readability and portability into some future mod database maybe?
19:33 marktraceur sfan5: "Statisctics" can you start with one mistake? :)
19:33 mauvebic my wife is building that huge-ass tower from the new Judge Dredd lol
19:33 sfan5 marktraceur: i just noticed that too
19:34 marktraceur sfan5: This script could probably benefit from some OOP, but otherwise looks cool :)
19:35 VanessaE thexyz: if each mod posted in the Mod Releases section has clearly defined fields, in whatever order, it would become almost trivial to scrape that forum section and import everything into a rolling database of mods to be used in some kind of future in-game installer.
19:35 sfan5 marktraceur: the script how it is now took me 1.5 days
19:35 marktraceur *nod*
19:35 marktraceur Time well spent, I'd say.
19:35 VanessaE thexyz: same reason the subject line of each posted mod already requires a clearly-delimited format now.
19:36 sfan5 VanessaE: i thought about that too and i'm thinking about a script that find mods conforming the guidelines in "modding general"
19:36 VanessaE sfan5: good idea
19:36 sfan5 *finds
19:36 thexyz VanessaE: the only problem ATM is that we don't have "a rolling database of mods"
19:36 VanessaE thexyz: well not yet of course, that's why I said "future"/
19:37 mauvebic doesnt the forum also provide RSS streams?
19:37 VanessaE mauvebic: yes
19:37 sfan5 but its a pain in the ass to deal with html that is not xml-conform, xml.dom.minidom won't parse it
19:37 PilzAdam VanessaE, what is this "future" thing an where can I download it?
19:37 sfan5 mauvebic: yes
19:37 mauvebic you could scrape those for a mod db
19:37 sfan5 why rss feeds?
19:37 sapier you need a browsable database to get "normal" users
19:37 sfan5 ^ i agree
19:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: Jeija was working on something, and of course now there's an in-game mod enable/disable screen.  Why can't these be tied to an online database, or just realtime scrape the web page?
19:37 thexyz sfan5: because html is not xml
19:38 sfan5 i know
19:38 sfan5 many sections of the html document are xml-conform, but the entire page isn't
19:38 VanessaE is there a punbb program that'll let us turn Mod Releases posts into an actual online database?
19:38 mauvebic could always use webkit and a tab leading to the forums?
19:38 sfan5 that makes it kinda hard to use the data
19:38 VanessaE you know, sorta like the form used for polls
19:38 VanessaE s/program/plugin/
19:39 sfan5 VanessaE: no, but i could also write a script
19:39 sfan5 but that would take way more than 1.5 days
19:39 VanessaE heh
19:39 VanessaE I don't mean to scrape the page - I mean so that each post in that section *is* a database entry in its own right.
19:39 sfan5 as it has to parse basic sentences like "You only need the mods in minetest_game to run this mod."
19:40 sfan5 that'd be good too
19:40 mauvebic you could prolly tweak the forum to send 2 POST requests, one to the forums, another to a DB
19:40 VanessaE i.e. the user transferring the mod from Modding General to Mod Releases would run some script to scrape the post and extract the various fields, with the unrecognized stuff being dumped into a "description" field
19:40 sfan5 mauvebic: punbb plugins can define hoks
19:40 sfan5 *hooks
19:40 VanessaE s/user/moderator/
19:41 mauvebic that sounds good
19:41 mauvebic then all we're missing is extra fields to define those properties that should be present in all mods (license, deps, etc)
19:41 VanessaE exactly
19:41 sfan5 it doesn't just sound good, it IS good
19:41 VanessaE each post would be expanded to have those fields, even if they're initially empty
19:41 VanessaE then we could work, over time, on populating them either by script or by ghand
19:41 VanessaE hand*
19:42 mauvebic well if license and dep fields were required to post, it would cut down on proofreading for you guys
19:42 sfan5 ghand  ->  ?o/    <-  hand
19:42 VanessaE hehe
19:42 sfan5 ;)
19:42 sfan5 mauvebic: you need to list dependencies and license
19:43 mauvebic i know, thats why i said they should be required fields, otherwise the user cant post to general :-)
19:43 VanessaE that would require a realtime script to check the post before accepting it
19:43 VanessaE something server-side I mean
19:43 mauvebic well in php terms, youre just checking to make sure the field ain't blank or contains weird chars
19:44 mauvebic or if it blanks then it defaults to "none" and 'wtfpl' lol
19:45 sfan5 i had to del with (f**king) unicode because someone put an unicode char in his mod topic title
19:45 sfan5 *deal
19:45 mauvebic forums are UTF-8?
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19:46 sfan5 mauvebic: yes
19:46 mauvebic php + javasript (ajax) + apache = UTF8 + unicode salad lol
19:46 mauvebic another reason i quit webdesign lol
19:46 sfan5 utf8 is a format of storing unicode
19:47 mauvebic yeah but managing all those formats is a PITA lol
19:47 sfan5 just use utf8 all the time.
19:47 mauvebic plus where im at it had to be english + french and the french here is a special subset lol
19:48 mauvebic meh this was a long time ago - aint as much work in webdesign these days
19:49 mauvebic way more easy solutions these days then writing your own site or paying someone to do it
19:50 thexyz wtf, ebay, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Inflatable-Otter-/170979579794
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19:50 Doc22 hey
19:50 FreeFull thexyz: That's pretty expensive for a piece of shitty plastic
19:51 FreeFull It started at 0.99
19:51 FreeFull I have no idea why the bids went so high
19:51 FreeFull http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&amp;_trksid=p2047675.l2565&amp;rt=nc&amp;item=170979579794
19:52 thexyz I see
19:52 kaeza VanessaE, has this happened before? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_2102869504.jpg
19:52 VanessaE aw shit
19:52 VanessaE I forgot to fix that :-/
19:52 VanessaE hold.
19:52 kaeza ah ok :P
19:52 VanessaE er wait a sec.
19:52 kaeza no probs
19:53 kaeza it's not a critical bug :P
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19:53 kaeza hey john
19:54 john_minetest hey kaeza
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20:03 VanessaE kaeza: testing a fix now.
20:03 kaeza k
20:05 VanessaE kaeza: fixed in git.
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20:06 kaeza thanks! :) updating local copy. OC said he will update everything later on his worlds.
20:07 VanessaE ok
20:09 mauvebic anyone know a good file host (150mb+) ? ive tried 3 times to upload my map to ompldr :/
20:10 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/7BN8MLq.jpg  screenshot from technic tests
20:10 Jordach mauvebic, dropbox
20:11 mauvebic will it force ppl to register to download?
20:11 VanessaE dropbox doesn't do that
20:11 mauvebic sweet thanks :-)
20:11 VanessaE now mediafire
20:11 VanessaE nor*
20:12 VanessaE ompldr works fine for most people also, your issue aside
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20:12 mauvebic it takes like half an hour to upload my map to ompldr and i keep getting 'db lock'
20:12 VanessaE but 150MB?  maybe Mega.
20:12 VanessaE good luck finding anyone willing to host that much data without paying for it.
20:13 VanessaE github if you're a bastard ;)
20:13 mauvebic what are the limits for dropbox and mediafire?
20:13 mauvebic i could prolly send my map via carrier pidgeon before figuring out how to upload anything to git XD
20:13 VanessaE OldCoder: at your convenience, please update plantlife again if you have not yet done so.
20:13 VanessaE mauvebic: git is easy.
20:14 mauvebic i know its remember the shorthands i suck at
20:14 mauvebic i also suck at remembering numbers for some reason lol
20:15 Jordach mauvebic, github4win
20:15 mauvebic something funny: i cant remember people's ages, not even my own sometimes
20:16 mauvebic the women in my family love it cuz i consistently give them younger ages lol
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20:16 jojoa1997 Hello all!
20:16 markveidemanis go to #mtmt , jojoa
20:17 OldCoder VanessaE
20:17 * OldCoder laughs
20:17 OldCoder People are making a list
20:17 OldCoder Of all the new updates
20:17 jojoa1997 of what
20:17 markveidemanis making**MAde
20:17 jojoa1997 for what OC
20:17 markveidemanis and sent to you:D
20:17 markveidemanis Server
20:17 jojoa1997 ?.?
20:17 Jordach jojoa1997, dont keep asking questions.... (i know someone whos worse the the spanish inqusition)
20:18 jojoa1997 Jordach are you alive?
20:18 Jordach yes
20:18 markveidemanis Anyone seen Oblivion1500?
20:18 jojoa1997 No your not
20:18 jojoa1997 your a computer!!
20:19 * jojoa1997 unplugs Jordach's plug
20:19 * Jordach sighs
20:19 markveidemanis TIME TO GO TO #mtmt JOJOA1997!!
20:19 jojoa1997 Kaeza how is the moving head for the player coming along
20:19 Jordach dont piss me off please
20:19 jojoa1997 markv check who is on it
20:20 markveidemanis I mean talk on it
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20:20 jojoa1997 for what i dont have anyhting to talk about
20:20 markveidemanis i am talking on it, tell me your thoughts on the topic.
20:20 markveidemanis hunger games thing.
20:21 jojoa1997 nothing i dont want it hosted on our server
20:21 kaeza jojoa1997, no progress
20:21 markveidemanis i do! :D
20:21 jojoa1997 all those buildings will be gone
20:21 kaeza Imma ditch that thing
20:22 jojoa1997 markv have you tested the game itself
20:22 jojoa1997 kaeza why
20:22 markveidemanis no, I will build it outside spawn.
20:22 jojoa1997 i like it
20:22 jojoa1997 markv test it out first on a private world
20:22 kaeza jojoa1997, cause it can't animate while moving the head at the same time
20:22 jojoa1997 then decide if you want to have it on our server
20:22 markveidemanis No, even i cannot screw up making 4 glass walls.
20:23 kaeza apparently Taoki is also trying to do that
20:23 VanessaE kaeza: don't ditch it, please
20:23 VanessaE surely someone will figure out the issue
20:23 jojoa1997 +1
20:23 markveidemanis unbreakable glass dome outside spawn
20:23 jojoa1997 Markv unless you test it i will be gainst adding it
20:23 jojoa1997 there is more to it than 4 walls
20:23 Taoki Manually positioning / rotating bones while animating is possible, but broken in current Irrlicht. Next version should allow it to work
20:23 jojoa1997 and also play it on survival
20:24 markveidemanis is it a mod?
20:24 mauvebic it would be cool if the mapper tools could draw the protection zones as outlines
20:24 VanessaE mauvebic: I think rubenwardy has something that does that
20:24 kaeza Taoki, yes, I read your post on the Irrlicht forums
20:24 jojoa1997 no it is a game like minetest_game and minimal
20:25 markveidemanis ok, then i will look at the mods in the game
20:25 kaeza I will try to manually animate
20:25 kaeza and see if that works out
20:25 jojoa1997 markv i will not add it to our server the answer is no
20:27 markveidemanis looks like it just adds a dome generator and unbreakable glass, we have those things
20:27 jojoa1997 no it doesnt
20:27 jojoa1997 it adds 4 walls
20:27 jojoa1997 makes digging impossible except with leaves and stuff like that
20:28 jojoa1997 you lose everything when you die
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20:28 VanessaE kaeza: in practice, there are only three animations to modify, right?  walk, dig, and walk+dig...  so that expands to 6 animations if you have to do it manually.  manageable, if hacky.
20:28 jojoa1997 and untill there are automatic resets once you die...
20:28 jojoa1997 you only have the privs fast,shout,fly
20:28 markveidemanis there will just be an arena
20:28 jojoa1997 but no ionteract
20:28 jojoa1997 it is not going on
20:29 jojoa1997 until you have tried it and fully understand what it does dont ask me again
20:29 markveidemanis can someone make me a clean mod with all the moretree nodenames please?
20:30 markveidemanis its not going on, i am making just the arena
20:30 markveidemanis and there is trees in the way
20:30 jojoa1997 keep the trees they add more battle ground
20:31 markveidemanis no, they make less - in minecraft trees look good, but in minetest, they lagg like hell
20:31 markveidemanis and then theres the shadows on removing them...
20:33 jojoa1997 markv theyt only lag when they spawn not when they are already made
20:35 VanessaE zzz
20:35 jojoa1997 VanessaE: me too
20:35 markveidemanis they lagg when made too
20:35 * Rabbi_Bob pours himself a coffee
20:35 markveidemanis All the rendering
20:37 jojoa1997 well what about spawn
20:37 jojoa1997 it has all those big buildings
20:37 VanessaE Rabbi_Bob: as in bobblocks?
20:37 Rabbi_Bob the same :)  How are you?
20:38 VanessaE I'm fine.  nice to see you here in IRC :)
20:38 jojoa1997 Rabbi Bob i love your mod :-)
20:38 Rabbi_Bob Thanks.  Back in the day I lived IRC, it's been awhile though
20:38 Rabbi_Bob 1997
20:38 Rabbi_Bob thanks jojoa1997
20:38 jojoa1997 your welcome
20:38 Rabbi_Bob trying to sort the mesecons issue right now
20:39 jojoa1997 ?
20:39 Rabbi_Bob latest mesecons implementation breaks v6 of BobBlocks
20:39 Jordach Rabbi_Bob, it shouldnt take more than a minute to fix it though
20:39 VanessaE yeah I know
20:39 VanessaE there's a way to fix that though
20:40 VanessaE I wonder what else latest mesecons breaks :-/
20:40 Rabbi_Bob I'm open to suggestions, was just looking through differences
20:40 VanessaE Rabbi_Bob: a soft-dependency would be a good idea btw
20:41 jojoa1997 what is a soft dependency
20:41 Rabbi_Bob yeah, I think I lobbied for that awhile ago and then I fell out of working on things
20:41 VanessaE jojoa1997: check for the presence of your depended-on mod first before registering your nodes so that you can register stripped-down versions of your nodes.
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20:42 VanessaE heh, that sounded repetitive didn't it...
20:42 jojoa1997 how would you code that?
20:42 Rabbi_Bob yeah ;-)
20:42 VanessaE jojoa1997: if minetest.get_modpath("some_modname_here") == nil then  {code to register non-dependent nodes}  else  {code to register dependent versions} end
20:43 VanessaE so for example,
20:43 jojoa1997 'oh thanks. will keep in mind
20:43 VanessaE if minetest.get_modpath("homedecor") == nil then
20:43 VanessaE minetest.register_craftitem(":homedecor:plastic_sheeting", {
20:43 VanessaE description = "Plastic sheet",
20:43 VanessaE inventory_image = "homedecor_plastic_sheeting.png",
20:43 VanessaE })
20:43 VanessaE end
20:43 VanessaE that's how pipeworks checks for the presence of the homedecor mod
20:43 Jordach VanessaE, no. bad. outside!
20:43 VanessaE (except it registers several recipes, not just that one)
20:43 Jordach use a goddamn pastebin
20:44 VanessaE Jordach: hush :-)
20:44 Jordach you hush.
20:44 VanessaE 6 short lines of code is not enough to need a pastebin :-)
20:44 mauvebic flooding map, mouhaha
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20:45 Jordach OldCoder, pm
20:46 VanessaE Zx81 is here...but no C64?  :(
20:46 VanessaE oh kaeza! ;)
20:46 Jordach ehm
20:46 Jordach i has a C question
20:46 kaeza hm?
20:46 Jordach this is driving me up the wall
20:46 kaeza Jordach, ?
20:46 VanessaE and down it too?
20:47 Jordach VanessaE, yes
20:47 * Jordach pokes OldCoder for signs of life
20:47 VanessaE (that joke is shamelessly stolen from an olllld Scooby Doo cartoon ;) )
20:47 Jordach when shaggy was clearly a stoner
20:47 PilzAdam Jordach, whats your question?
20:47 Jordach PilzAdam, to -mods
20:48 OldCoder Hi
20:49 OldCoder Jordach, I just stepped away for a minute
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20:49 Jordach ok, its a C related question
20:49 VanessaE so ask already :)
20:49 VanessaE (not that I can help)
20:50 jojoa1997 i know the answer
20:50 jojoa1997 chicken!
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20:59 Rabbi_Bob on the good side, I know the code to remove to stop the load error
20:59 Jordach jojoa1997, already fixed and compiled
20:59 Doc22 VanessaE I made a special patch mod for pipeworks that re-inits the recipes
21:00 Doc22 do you think that it will work?
21:00 jojoa1997 back
21:00 VanessaE Doc22: probably not, because I *just* pushed some changes to pipeworks maybe an hour ago
21:00 jojoa1997 jordach what is compiled
21:00 Doc22 ok
21:00 Jordach jojoa1997, something secret
21:01 jojoa1997 i keep secrects
21:01 Doc22 well then how would I fix the recipes? I don't have a clue where to start
21:01 VanessaE Doc22: regular pipes are no longer affected by technic.  Only tubes are affected.
21:01 Doc22 yeah thats what I want to fix
21:01 Doc22 so talk to rba?
21:01 Doc22 (me)
21:01 VanessaE but you can make all your necessary changes in pipeworks/crafts.lua
21:01 VanessaE just comment out the io.open line and the corresponding end
21:01 Doc22 ok
21:02 Doc22 I made a change to that file
21:02 Doc22 and turned it into a mod
21:02 Doc22 that works as a patch
21:02 Doc22 RealBadAngel, does technic change the recipies for pipeworks pipes?
21:03 Doc22 if it does, where is the recipies list
21:03 Doc22 recipe*
21:03 Doc22 vanessae says that it is technic
21:04 Doc22 ugh...
21:04 PilzAdam doesnt Minetest-tan print something when someone commits to the repo?
21:04 Doc22 i really want to use the pipes in that server...
21:04 Doc22 I had plans for a sorting system
21:04 jojoa1997 i already made one
21:04 Doc22 yeah I want to but the recipes are messed up in that server
21:04 VanessaE Doc22: pipeworks checks for the presence of the technic mod and disables several of the default recipes, so that technic can supply new ones.
21:05 Doc22 ok
21:05 VanessaE hence, comment out two lines in pipeworks/crafts.lua to disable that check.
21:05 Doc22 so that patch would theoretically work if i changed those two lines and put the file out as init.lua in a seperate mod?
21:07 VanessaE forget patching anything.
21:07 VanessaE just comment out those two lines.
21:07 Doc22 ok
21:07 VanessaE in crafts.lua
21:07 VanessaE no other changes should be needed.
21:07 Doc22 I did that and I am putting the crafts.lua file in a modpack
21:07 Rabbi_Bob crap
21:07 Doc22 as init.lua
21:07 Doc22 so it should register the recipes
21:07 VanessaE Rabbi_Bob: what?
21:08 Rabbi_Bob VanessaE, do you have your colors.txt url handy?
21:08 VanessaE sure
21:08 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/colors.txt
21:08 Rabbi_Bob danke
21:08 VanessaE bitte.
21:10 Rabbi_Bob Updated my mod post and I saw that uber-list earlier, I put it under my mapper mention
21:11 VanessaE now if I could just get celeron55 to add this to the main minetest repo.
21:11 VanessaE it covers *everything* (at least everything useful on my mega-loaded server)
21:11 Rabbi_Bob I'll have to look at the effector handling later, I see that it changed and my quick attempt didn't give the result I wanted.  For now I posted what edits can be done to BobBlocks to allow it to load under the most recent mesecons.
21:13 Rabbi_Bob yeah, it's a nice list.  I love the mapper feature
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21:14 VanessaE it has one unexpected side-effect......  it makes for a somewhat noisy map if you have a lot of shit scattered around :)
21:15 Rabbi_Bob yep
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21:18 kaeza VanessaE, http://youtu.be/9lRyon8CdTU
21:18 kaeza at least it animates :P
21:21 kaeza Animation would also be smoother if I knew how to implement a sine wave
21:21 kaeza (i.e. pendulum effect for arms & legs)
21:21 jojoa1997 lol he is doing crunches
21:21 * VanessaE looks...
21:21 VanessaE wtf?
21:22 kaeza yeah :P
21:22 VanessaE poor Sam.  split in half by a coding bug.
21:22 VanessaE :)
21:22 kaeza I have to position bones manually along with rotation
21:22 kaeza so Sam is the official name now?
21:22 VanessaE afaic. :-)
21:22 VanessaE but no one really settled onit
21:22 kaeza Sam Ain't Minecraft?
21:22 VanessaE HAH!
21:23 VanessaE YES!
21:23 VanessaE celeron55:  ^^^^^^^^^
21:23 kaeza I think hmmm came up with that idea lol
21:23 VanessaE hehe
21:24 kaeza or was it Jordach?
21:24 kaeza nvm, back to animating!
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21:40 Rabbi_Bob I'm out.  Nice to virtually meet you VanessaE
21:40 VanessaE cya
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21:44 kaeza almost there
21:44 kaeza (at least the walking animation)
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21:47 kaeza VanessaE, http://youtu.be/U53sIYQoWew
21:47 kaeza LOL
21:48 OldCoder
21:48 OldCoder WARNING: StaticObjectList::remove(): id=33 not found
21:48 OldCoder 20:47:15: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred:
21:48 OldCoder ServerError: LuaError: error running function 'on_step':
21:48 OldCoder ...ctuteam_game/mods/animals/mobf/generic_functions.lua:296:
21:48 OldCoder attempt to index local 'pos2' (a nil value)
21:48 OldCoder sapier, ^
21:48 OldCoder
21:49 sapier I'll have a look
21:49 john_minetest kaeza: All the animations you make look hyperactive :D
21:50 kaeza :P
21:53 sapier oldcoder how did you do this??
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22:02 kaeza can somebody help me with something?
22:02 VanessaE what?
22:03 kaeza I need to do a pendulum effect.
22:03 VanessaE oh.
22:03 VanessaE oh, Taoki........ :D
22:03 kaeza And I need a value going back and forth smoothly between -1 and 1
22:03 kaeza Sorry, I'm bad at math :/
22:04 VanessaE a sine wave would do that though
22:04 VanessaE I just don't know off the top of my head how to plot one
22:04 kaeza hmm
22:05 meldrian joined #minetest
22:05 VanessaE not in the 3d space you're working in anyway
22:05 rark_ joined #minetest
22:05 rark_ !up 0gb.us
22:05 Minetest-tan 0gb.us:30000 is up (0.503ms)
22:06 jojoa1997 !up 0gb.us 30000-30002
22:06 Minetest-tan 0gb.us:30000 is up (0.298ms)
22:06 Minetest-tan 0gb.us:30001 is up (0.303ms)
22:06 Minetest-tan 0gb.us:30002 is up (0.295ms)
22:06 jojoa1997 are those numbers good?
22:06 VanessaE they're so-so
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22:07 VanessaE under 200 is decent, <150 is good, <50 os great
22:07 VanessaE is*
22:07 kaeza I found this: y = sin(x * 6.28/360); what does the 6.28 mean? Is it 2*PI?
22:08 VanessaE that's pi <-> radians I think
22:08 kaeza oh
22:08 sapier Oldcoder: https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/archive/oldcoder_special_2.0.zip fixed the crash and added log message for this case
22:08 kaeza todl you I suck at these things :(
22:08 kaeza told*
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22:08 dsimon hello, everyone
22:09 kaeza so y = sin(deg2rad(x)) ?
22:09 VanessaE generally speaking, the form is y=sin(x*f)*a
22:09 OldCoder sapier, Thank you!
22:09 VanessaE f = a value to set the frequency of the wave, a = a value to set the amplitude, x and y relative to your coordinate system
22:10 sapier oldcoder can you have a look at logfile from time to time? I wonder why this could even happen
22:10 jojoa1997 kaeza
22:10 kaeza so, in other words, f would be the time it takes to do a full step, and a the max angle
22:10 dsimon i'm the author of the changes in the client_transfers_blocks branch on the git repo
22:11 kaeza got it
22:11 jojoa1997 look at pm
22:11 VanessaE kaeza: yeah, more or less
22:11 VanessaE kaeza: it all depends on how you interpret the output of the formula :-)
22:11 sapier if posible I'm interested in the line containing "MOBF ...   don't have targetpos ..."
22:11 dsimon haven't worked on it in a while, and i was wondering if any devs here could get me up to speed with (a) what's changed since 5 months ago and (b) what i need to do to make my changes good enough to end up in main branch
22:12 dsimon er, client_requests_blocks is the name of the branch
22:12 kaeza VanessaE, in that formula, I guess y is how much I should rotate the leg right?
22:12 VanessaE kaeza: yeah, scaled appropirately of course
22:12 kaeza ^_^
22:12 VanessaE x*f would be how fast to scale it basically
22:12 VanessaE of course the formula I gave is for plotting sin on a graph :-)
22:12 VanessaE s/scale it/swing it/
22:13 kaeza ok
22:13 kaeza gonna try
22:13 VanessaE you'll figure it out from here I'm sure
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22:15 dsimon hm, should i come back and talk to c55 when they return?
22:15 dsimon they were the last to touch the branch
22:15 VanessaE for what?
22:16 VanessaE oh
22:16 VanessaE sorry missed that
22:16 dsimon np
22:16 VanessaE you should talk about core stuff on -dev
22:16 dsimon ah, ok
22:17 VanessaE less likely to get lost over there, and maybe more likely to get a response :-)
22:17 dsimon cool, thanks :-)
22:17 VanessaE np
22:17 kaeza SUCCESS!!
22:17 VanessaE kaeza: ?
22:17 kaeza (almost)
22:17 kaeza now legs & arms go back and forth
22:17 VanessaE sweet
22:17 kaeza smoothly ^_^
22:18 kaeza I have to adjust a bit the angle. then I will upload a demo video
22:18 * VanessaE waits.... :)
22:23 * VanessaE waits some more...
22:24 * dsimon hums the Jeopardy tune
22:24 VanessaE lol
22:24 kaeza actually, I'm doing something wrong lol
22:24 kaeza the legs only swing forward while the arms only backward
22:25 kaeza gimme a min
22:25 kaeza (or 20 actually)
22:25 * VanessaE waits impatiently now ... :D
22:31 kaeza VanessaE, http://youtu.be/ywd7Z9BPcY4
22:31 VanessaE \o/
22:31 kaeza \o/\o/\o/\o/
22:31 VanessaE the legs/arms swing a little too far though
22:31 VanessaE back it off by..oh...20%
22:31 kaeza yup
22:31 kaeza that's just a minor edit
22:32 VanessaE yuip
22:32 VanessaE yup
22:32 kaeza but the thing is they work correctly now
22:32 VanessaE yes
22:32 VanessaE I guess my advice helped ;)
22:32 kaeza of course!
22:32 dsimon math: it's not just a good idea, it's the law
22:32 kaeza I wouldn't be able to do that without your tips :)
22:33 VanessaE I feel like I accomplished something then :D
22:33 OldCoder Good
22:34 dsimon brb
22:34 proller waterplus now is okay
22:34 VanessaE I'd love to see waterplus's code integrated into the C++ code
22:34 VanessaE it would give the pipes in pipeworks some real use.
22:35 proller im too
22:36 dsimon joined #minetest
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22:37 jojoa1997 hi kaeza pm me
22:38 kaeza can't we discuss it here?
22:38 jojoa1997 dwfine
22:38 jojoa1997 i want to see if you want to join my hunger games server. it is up and running now
22:38 proller VanessaE, waterplus now contains 50% code of tricks , c++ must be much better
22:38 kaeza jojoa1997, I'm a bit busy right now
22:38 jojoa1997 ok
22:39 kaeza jojoa1997, http://youtu.be/ywd7Z9BPcY4
22:39 jojoa1997 working on the player?
22:39 kaeza yup
22:39 VanessaE proller: Understood.  I had to pull out all the stops to make plantlife and moretrees as efficient as they are.
22:39 kaeza now making digging and walk-digging anims
22:39 jojoa1997 O.o
22:39 VanessaE that should be easier
22:40 jojoa1997 PULL REQUEST THAT SUCKER
22:40 VanessaE start with walking+head turn, add digging, then subtract walking ;)
22:40 kaeza VanessaE, I left that anim in the video for a possible "running" anim
22:40 PilzAdam VanessaE, map.cpp:1617 <- start here to code the finit liquids
22:40 kaeza the walking anim now swings les
22:41 jojoa1997 running anim awsome
22:41 VanessaE PilzAdam: I haven't the skills for a C++ version.
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22:41 PilzAdam gtg; bye
22:42 VanessaE bye
22:43 proller VanessaE, i want to build deep pool from glass, fill it with water, and lower glass must break from pressure and flood around
22:44 VanessaE actually that would be easily done in Lua.
22:44 VanessaE ABm to pick glass randomly, search upwards, count the number of water nodes.  If your count exceeds some threshold, abort and remove the selected glass with some kind of fancy breaking animation.
22:45 VanessaE maybe break the nearby glass as well
22:45 dsimon i'd really love to see that as part of some more general water pressure system
22:45 VanessaE these are glass blocks, so they should probably be treated as though they're cemented together as is usually seen in real life
22:45 VanessaE so one or a few break rather than the whole floor
22:45 dsimon so that i.e. you can have a wide pool and a narrow pool connect underground, and use hydraulic pressure to lift a platform on the narrow pool by adding water to the wide one
22:46 dsimon but that may be over complicated :-)
22:46 VanessaE now THAT would be complicated.
22:46 dsimon it would imply a whole volumetric water system
22:46 dsimon there have been minecraft mods that do things like that, but they're extremely rough
22:46 VanessaE that would imply a robust water flow/fluid dynamics system
22:46 VanessaE :)
22:47 dsimon yah :-)
22:47 dsimon well, not that robust
22:47 dsimon it's kind of like the glass thing
22:47 dsimon what outward pressure does a water block put out? add up how much water is above it
22:47 dsimon that would probably be close enough
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22:47 jojoa1997 keza are you changing the breathing animations
22:48 VanessaE lesse
22:48 dsimon well, hm, except for the hydraulic thing you'd also have to propogate that "push" through blocks
22:48 jojoa1997 kaeza ^
22:48 VanessaE that's 1 metric ton of water per cube...
22:48 VanessaE that has to be some seriously strong glass :)
22:48 dsimon well, it IS one meter thick :-)
22:49 VanessaE true :_)
22:49 VanessaE :)
22:49 kaeza jojoa1997, not really
22:49 jojoa1997 ok :-)
22:54 kaeza VanessaE, jojoa1997, others interested: http://youtu.be/edzDAH6-WQU
22:55 VanessaE kaeza: nice
22:56 AshleyWaffle joined #minetest
22:56 kaeza IDK what is the performance or bandwith used on high load servers
22:57 theTroy joined #minetest
22:57 kaeza but I think I'll pull request this soon
22:57 VanessaE aroudn 60kB/sec for initial media download, some 15kB/sec for active building, less than 1kB/sec when it's just one person walking around
22:57 proller i think about pressure about a week - and it is not very complicated
22:57 VanessaE depends on how much of the map has already been sent to the client.
22:58 kaeza ok
22:58 proller but must be in c++ core
22:58 VanessaE proller: I guess propagate figures down and sidewaysand whenever a figure should propagate into something that can't receive it (e.g. cobble), then decide if the final propagated value is enough to push the other block aside or break it
22:58 john_minetest gtg, bye
22:58 VanessaE thous could be done in Lua but the result would be pretty slow
22:58 VanessaE this*
22:58 sokomine how about storing the map locally? at least the last known stage? for that copying of own buildings aspiremint suggested?
22:59 VanessaE sokomine: seems to me a hacked client could do that, in theory..
22:59 thexyz 60kb/sec for media download? wtf, why is it THAT slow?
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22:59 Kacey back
23:00 VanessaE thexyz: beats me, that's the fastest I've ever seen redcrab's server go - I'm lucky to get 30 kB/sec upstream out of mine (and it can do nearly 400)
23:00 kaeza this prolly will need a better implementation in C++. Currently, it's pure Lua
23:00 VanessaE thexyz: I can only assume it's a limitation of UDP
23:00 sapier currently minetest isn't able to keep entities in sync do you really believ this would work for maps? :-)
23:00 kaeza nevertheless anyone cares for a simple test?
23:01 VanessaE kaeza: you did this entirely in Lua??
23:01 VanessaE gimme!
23:01 kaeza yup
23:01 kaeza modifying player.lua
23:01 Kacey !up 67.190.14.129
23:01 Minetest-tan 67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.308ms)
23:01 VanessaE oh.  can't do this as a separate mod?
23:02 kaeza I'd have to copypasta most of it
23:02 AshleyWaffle I can't eveb connect to redcrab -_-
23:02 Kacey come check out my RAM units and other mesecons inventions
23:02 VanessaE kaeza: so copy it :-)
23:02 AshleyWaffle Kacey: YAY okay! :D
23:02 kaeza Kacey, http://youtu.be/edzDAH6-WQU
23:03 jojoa1997 wback
23:03 jojoa1997 what is this? [17:54] <kaeza> VanessaE, jojoa1997, others interested: http://youtu.be/edzDAH6-WQU
23:04 kaeza check :)
23:04 jojoa1997 what is the hand doing
23:04 kaeza digging
23:04 VanessaE it needs a faster, wider sweep
23:05 jojoa1997 what happened to the moving back and forth
23:05 kaeza VanessaE, I'll see what I can do about that
23:05 kaeza jojoa1997, later :)
23:05 jojoa1997 oh ok
23:09 sokomine hmm. a partly wrong map might be better than none at all :-)
23:09 sokomine that nothingness is sometimes disturbing while waiting for map load
23:10 AshleyWaffle Kacey: :(
23:10 sokomine !up redcrab.suret.net
23:10 Minetest-tan redcrab.suret.net:30000 is up (0.201ms)
23:11 AshleyWaffle ancient version is ancient
23:11 Kacey1 joined #minetest
23:11 Kacey1 bacck sorry
23:11 AshleyWaffle Kacey:D
23:11 AshleyWaffle Kacey1: :D
23:11 Kacey1 i was having issues
23:11 AshleyWaffle aww
23:11 AshleyWaffle now what?
23:11 AshleyWaffle educate us! :D
23:12 AshleyWaffle :'(
23:12 Kacey joined #minetest
23:12 AshleyWaffle how is celeron not an op? :/
23:12 AshleyWaffle heresy
23:12 kaeza hmm
23:12 AshleyWaffle Kacey: YAY! :D
23:13 Kacey !up 67.190.14.129
23:13 Minetest-tan 67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.312ms)
23:13 Kacey ok
23:13 Kacey animals map
23:13 AshleyWaffle yay :D
23:13 AshleyWaffle Kacey: what?
23:13 Kacey that is my animals map
23:13 AshleyWaffle what's an animals map? 0_o
23:13 AshleyWaffle I guess I'm new to minetest, sorry...
23:13 Kacey with mobf installed
23:14 AshleyWaffle I hail from Minecraftia :3
23:14 AshleyWaffle Mobf???
23:14 Kacey no problem you will learn
23:14 AshleyWaffle cool! :D
23:14 jojoa1997 it is mobs for minetest
23:14 AshleyWaffle whoa cool
23:14 jojoa1997 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629
23:15 sokomine yes. they are very nice animals. not as...hm..cute? as the minecraft ones. but loveable :-)
23:15 sapier lol .. cute ...
23:15 jojoa1997 there is also this http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4023
23:15 jojoa1997 and mine http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4167
23:16 AshleyWaffle ooo
23:16 AshleyWaffle a WTFPLer
23:17 Kacey im on an ostrich
23:17 AshleyWaffle Kacey: you're an ostrich
23:17 AshleyWaffle :D
23:17 Kacey no
23:17 Kacey can you move in game please
23:17 VanessaE <offtopic> This guy has WAY too much time on his hands:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&amp;NR=1&amp;v=sUtS52lqL5w  </offtopic>
23:17 AshleyWaffle Kacey: I'm joining
23:17 AshleyWaffle it's taking forever
23:17 Kacey ooh ya
23:17 AshleyWaffle oh now it's not connecting
23:18 Kacey ooh crap i died again
23:20 dsimon that lego machine is amazing
23:20 Kacey try now lol
23:21 Kacey this is greg the ostrich
23:22 Kacey (since george died)
23:22 sapier *smile* Kacey I'll add naming support in 2.1 specialy for you
23:23 Kacey ^_^
23:23 Kacey !up 67.190.14.129
23:23 Minetest-tan 67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.308ms)
23:23 Kacey different map
23:25 AshleyWaffle Kacey: okey :D
23:25 kaeza just a question. If I put a model in the "models" dir, it gets transferred to the client right?
23:25 sapier yes
23:26 sapier .b3d .x .md3 and .obj
23:30 kaeza ok
23:30 kaeza thanks
23:30 NekoGloop joined #minetest
23:31 NekoGloop Meow
23:31 AshleyWaffle mooo
23:32 Roukoswarf joined #minetest
23:32 * VanessaE takes a kitten from OldCoder's pile, adds water, and puts it on NekoGloop's head
23:33 * NekoGloop has a very wet, very pissed off kitten on his head
23:34 * Kacey is amazed his little acer can handle 4 people burning an entire map
23:35 ttk2 joined #minetest
23:37 Kacey its like everyone doesnt know what creative mode is
23:37 VanessaE Kacey: which is part of why I removed the fire mod from my server :-)
23:38 VanessaE aside from the lag it causes, it's kinda pointless to burn down that which only costs time and not resources to rebuild.
23:40 kaeza VanessaE, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-animplus-0.1.0.zip
23:41 kaeza Gonna post that soon on the forums
23:41 jojoa1997 where do we put this
23:42 kaeza it's in mod format now
23:42 jojoa1997 is it client side?
23:42 kaeza nope
23:43 VanessaE \o/
23:44 VanessaE installed on my server.
23:44 VanessaE someone sign on, let's see it :-)
23:45 Kacey i cant load the video :(
23:46 Kacey im getting on
23:46 VanessaE I see you two
23:46 Kacey two?
23:46 VanessaE I notice the loading animation is slower than usual
23:46 VanessaE yeah, kaeza is coming up too
23:46 kaeza Kacey, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/out-13.avi
23:47 VanessaE look around
23:47 VanessaE kaeza:
23:47 VanessaE Kacey:
23:47 kaeza I'm still loading
23:48 kaeza VanessaE, I'm in
23:48 VanessaE Kacey: where'd you go?
23:48 Kacey ?
23:48 kaeza It's slooooooow
23:48 kaeza :(
23:49 VanessaE yeah it kinda is..
23:49 Kacey let me reconnect
23:50 Kacey i wasnt lagging at all
23:51 Kacey huh
23:51 kaeza This is a good opportunity to say +1 to client-side mods :)
23:51 VanessaE odd, you guys keep just...disappearing
23:51 kaeza VanessaE, how is the net load
23:51 kaeza ?
23:51 VanessaE wow
23:51 VanessaE 150 kB/sec at present
23:52 kaeza frack
23:52 VanessaE holy crap
23:52 VanessaE you're spamming the shit outta my upstream :-)
23:52 kaeza this thing sends a bone rotation command every step
23:52 kaeza maybe I should put a timer
23:52 VanessaE perhaps I should remove this mod then
23:52 Kacey kaez is still loading lol
23:53 kaeza yeah :(
23:53 Kacey kaeza, even
23:53 VanessaE removed.
23:53 VanessaE server restarted without it.it was a nice test though
23:54 kaeza it is actually sending 5 bone rotation commands in every step, instead of letting the client do the animation
23:54 VanessaE isn't there a way to tell the client about the model the "right" way?
23:54 kaeza nope. due to the bug I was describing yesterday
23:55 VanessaE which bug?  I forgot
23:55 VanessaE the animation blending thing?
23:55 kaeza Irrlicht does not support animating a model and rotating bones manually at the same time
23:56 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoO3K5vOEg haha
23:56 Kacey thats where i got george from
23:57 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4603 ?
23:58 kaeza ahh.. obvious trolling are the best trolling: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4601

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