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00:00 Kacey weed is legal where i live ^_^
00:01 blah_craft_ lucky
00:01 Kacey haha
00:01 Kacey not really
00:02 blah_craft_ honestly i think if weed were 100% legal here, i wouldn't smoke any more than I already do, which is very rarely
00:02 Kacey i almost get ran over by druggiees
00:05 blah_craft_ quick question about the minetest wiki - there's a little section under ""gameplay"  that gives some basic recipes... are there more recipes than that?
00:06 blah_craft_ forgive me for asking common knowledge... i just came across minetest this morning
00:07 mauvebic eventually theyre gonna legalize drugs if only to balance the budget through tax revenues
00:07 mauvebic you end up having to treat addicts weather its legal or not anyhow
00:08 blah_craft_ it sure looks that way but I'm not holding my breath
00:08 blah_craft_ good point too
00:08 marktraceur blah_craft_: Yes, there are a *lot* of recipes, because we can add them through mods. Most mods (IIRC) aren't documented at the main wiki
00:08 blah_craft_ oh ok - thx
00:09 mauvebic isnt california having a hard time housing inmates too?
00:09 blah_craft_ lol. yep - i think schwarzanegger pardoned a bunch of ppl years ago but I don't know what effect that had, if any
00:10 blah_craft_ there's a lot of problems in cali but i'm moving out of cali next year anyway
00:11 marktraceur mauvebic: I heard a story about a federal prison in California
00:11 marktraceur mauvebic: They had an execution room that was some size, I don't remember the dimensions exactly
00:11 mauvebic its ironic they wont discuss legalizing drugs but having a public debate about euthanizing old folks is ok lol
00:12 blah_craft_ lol
00:12 marktraceur mauvebic: Anyway, they spent millions building this room, and then a District Court judge came to visit and said "Eh, it's not big enough".
00:12 mauvebic cali has executions?
00:12 marktraceur So they're required to make it bigger or risk having cases overturned on cruel and unusual punishment grounds
00:12 marktraceur mauvebic: At least in the federal prisons, yeah
00:12 marktraceur mauvebic: The federal government has no qualms about executing federal offenders
00:13 kaeza I wish I could delete annoying posts from my topics...
00:14 mauvebic if my gov't wanted to get rid of someone they'd probably have it done by a foreign gov't when said citizen went overseas
00:14 mauvebic ironic how capital (and your job) can move freely through borders but you cant lol
00:15 mauvebic then again who wants to follow the jobs to china or india and be paid what they are paid
00:18 blah_craft_ cost of living is lower there too. the trick is to get a high paying job in a big city and convince them to let you work remotely and live somehwere with a very low cost of living
00:19 mauvebic that comes in trends too
00:19 mauvebic every few years they realize they can save money by having people work from home
00:19 mauvebic every other few years they realize its better to have everyone inhouse for pointless meetings and powerpoint presentations
00:20 Kacey does pipeworks have an api?
00:20 Kacey i want to make an extension on it
00:21 mauvebic my experimental one has some sort of an API
00:21 mauvebic cant say for sure about master
00:21 telek Hey, is it possible to make animated weapons, similiar to the animated torches?
00:21 * Kacey forgot mauvebic worked on pipeworks
00:22 Kacey since they are only held, no
00:22 telek Wait 'Mauve Bic'... You're a tan lighter?
00:22 mauvebic it used to be purplebic before the sex change
00:23 blah_craft_ mauve is purple bro
00:23 telek Erm purple :D
00:23 mauvebic lol i am joking
00:23 telek Well I just reasserted my straight maleness at least :D
00:23 blah_craft_ dang it - i walked straight into that one
00:24 telek Lol, sorry blah :D
00:24 mauvebic actually for a white guy i have a pretty barry white-ish voice
00:24 blah_craft_ no worries - I am very secure in my sexuality. If you try to challenge that, things could get real gay, real quick
00:25 mauvebic i only scream like a woman when im surprised/frightened
00:25 blah_craft_ lol
00:25 mauvebic but ive noticed thats most men lol
00:27 blah_craft_ ever seen the video on youtube - "no homo goes too far"?
00:27 mauvebic doesnt ring a bell
00:27 mauvebic youtube keeps proposing all these conspiracy videos
00:27 mauvebic just because i looked up that 'strange hum/noise" thing from last year
00:28 mauvebic i hate personalized results - it gives the same videos over and over and rarely what im actually looking for lol
00:28 blah_craft_ lol. my netflix keeps suggesting all these crappy chic-flics cause my wife likes to watch those when I'm at work
00:29 mauvebic well they cancelled Boss this year
00:29 mauvebic and renewed mad men which had a god awful season
00:30 mauvebic walking dead was good the first season
00:31 mauvebic and im waiting for berman and bragga to retire so they can make a decent star trek
00:31 blah_craft_ until they started doing split seasons - i heard it's coming back next week for the second half of the season though
00:31 blah_craft_ it's like not quite enuogh to get a good fix
00:31 mauvebic i wouldnt want to be a UK resident though - i hear TV license people harass citizens who dont buy their stupid licenses ( i have no cable anymore lol)
00:32 blah_craft_ what do u mean? this is new to me
00:32 mauvebic BBC/TV licensing?
00:33 mauvebic where do you live?
00:33 blah_craft_ in the US, CA
00:33 mauvebic they pay a tax over there just to have a TV
00:33 blah_craft_ what kind of rackett r u talkign about now?
00:33 mauvebic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence
00:34 mauvebic no one here would ever pay more to be subjected to loader and longer commercials lol
00:35 mauvebic *louder
00:35 blah_craft_ oh now i see - yes our commercials are way out of hand
00:35 mauvebic and buying a dvd doesn't solve anything - youre forced to watch previews for half an hour lol
00:36 blah_craft_ i take those ones back
00:36 blah_craft_ just on principle
00:37 mauvebic well after replacing my dvd player for xxth time a few years ago i said it fuck it
00:37 telek Out of curiousity, has anyone run minetest on a platform other than x86/amd64/arm?
00:37 mauvebic just when i thought i was done building up my dvd collection, hd=dvd and bluray came out too lol so double-fuck-it
00:38 mauvebic beta/vhs/dvd/hdvd/    its all a big racket to get you to buy the same crap over and over
00:38 blah_craft_ ^ that
00:38 blah_craft_ and they wonder why everyone pirates
00:39 mauvebic well its like OS's getting bloatier and bloatier to force people to buy a new computer
00:40 mauvebic what they dont say is how much of the pirated stuff people have owned in one format or another over the years...
00:40 mauvebic and its not like we haven't been there with VCRs lol
00:41 telek Or the fact that they wouldn't have valuable IP to claim against us if not for the hundreds or thousands of years of now-public domain work which they pillaged for ideas, but to which they no longer feel a need to contribute? :D
00:41 telek Oh, and y'know our forefathers allowing them copyright in the first place :D
00:41 mauvebic thats because we dont sell quality products anymore, we sell knowledge
00:42 mauvebic knowledge = power is 20th century
00:42 mauvebic knowledge = money is 21st
00:42 blah_craft_ what's 22nd going to be?
00:43 mauvebic its hard to predict what the economy will look like in ten years
00:43 telek Knowledge=3d printing schematics? :D
00:44 mauvebic not just 3d printing /personal manufacturing
00:44 blah_craft_ i like it
00:44 mauvebic robots are becoming cheap enough to take away even the low wage jobs
00:44 blah_craft_ back to the UKs licensign thing... how do they even catch license evasion?
00:44 telek It's not just robots.
00:44 telek It's also specialized computer software.
00:45 telek OCR, Voice Recognition/Knowledgebase systems.
00:45 mauvebic software is getting rid of alot of ancillery jobs
00:45 mauvebic *ancillary?
00:45 mauvebic yeah 2nd one
00:45 telek Pretty soon they won't need entry level tech support jobs because they'll have something like watson calmly talking the customer through fixing their computer.
00:45 mauvebic and even programmers aren't immune - eventually computers will write better code than people
00:46 telek mauvebic: They'll never write better code than people.
00:46 telek For one simple reason: Falliable developers can not devise infalliable systems :D
00:46 dzho this is heavily dependent on your definition of "better"
00:46 telek Well open-ended ones anyways :D
00:47 mauvebic i had an interest in vrml and neural systems in the 90s, theyve come a long way
00:47 mauvebic in effect the gov't isn't "watching" us per say, software filters all the raw data and flags the suspicious bits
00:48 mauvebic they couldn't hire enough people to eyeball every camera
00:48 telek Indeed.
00:48 mauvebic some countries they pay surfers to watch cameras and report crimes
00:48 telek But once they can identify individuals it opens up the possibility of persecution.
00:48 mauvebic weve had persecution without computers
00:49 telek Yeah, but now if you decide some day you don't like someone there's potentially a body of evidence there for you to hang them without having to wait and gather it after deciding such.
00:49 telek And perhaps cooling your head in the meantime.
00:50 mauvebic "body of evidence" requires a crime to have taken place
00:51 telek And do you have a firm enough grasp on every law in your country to such a degree that you're sure you haven't infringed any for which you could be convicted?
00:51 mauvebic as politicians will attest, the trick is not getting caught
00:52 telek Or knowing the right people to get the charges dropped.
00:54 telek ....
00:54 mauvebic the worse thats happenned to me was 1K$ tickets (i was drunk and slightly obstreperous)
00:54 telek 10k here now.
00:55 mauvebic 10K in tickets?
00:55 telek I think it's actually 6k ticket plus all the court fees, but yeah.
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00:55 telek Unless you plead guilty and get it dropped to a lower charge.
00:55 mauvebic i dont go to court
00:55 mauvebic i contest yes,
00:55 mauvebic that gives me 3 years to come up with the scratch
00:55 blah_craft_ I did get a DUI when I was 19 - I can tell you first hand, when u add alll the costs, it is well over 7,500
00:55 mauvebic and i pay it before the deadline to court
00:56 mauvebic theyre gonna start seizing vehicles for that here (good)
00:56 mauvebic we have problems with repeat offenders
00:57 mauvebic and ive always been a pedestrian/bus/metro person so, +100
00:57 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjoSIBAWBHc sfan5|off will appriciate
00:58 mauvebic though im real careful with that now because tickets and student debts are the only things you cant discharge through bankruptcy here
00:58 blah_craft_ yep, part of that cost was 1,800 to get my truck out after 30-day impound
00:59 blah_craft_ try holding a field-services job without a license
01:00 * telek nods.
01:00 telek Mechanics job :D
01:00 telek I've met at least three people with pulled licenses working as mechanics, and only one of them lost a job over it.
01:01 telek One of the others was working for a dealership no less.
01:01 mauvebic yeah no i dont take travellin' jobs with the winters we have here lol
01:02 telek Nah, that's at the shop :)
01:02 blah_craft_ basically - that was the worst decision i ever made and you will not catch me doing it again
01:02 telek But it means they can't test drive, pull cars in, etc. Some places they can't even be insured to work on-premises.
01:02 * telek nods.
01:02 mauvebic i tend not to mouth off to cops unless theyre just looking to hand out tickets for whatever, and ive gotten some funky ones
01:02 kaeza is it possible to store arbitrary data on an entity?
01:03 mauvebic jwalking at 3am on a dead street...
01:03 telek It's not worth mouthing off. Actually best I've heard if you wanna contest it is get down to the department before the end of the shift and contest it with the chief.
01:05 mauvebic i once got a ticket for drinking beer on a bench during a festival
01:05 telek Or sergeant, I don't really know the whole ranking order for LE.
01:06 mauvebic (this while someone was peeing on the streets, and drugdealers operating at the subway station one street away...) lol
01:06 mauvebic civil servants are a special breed of incompetent lol
01:06 blah_craft_ they were supporting the local economy
01:07 telek Dunno, seems like plenty of corporate types are giving them a run for their money.
01:07 blah_craft_ the pee-er was giving the cleaner something to do, and the drug dealers were giving the doctors something to do
01:07 blah_craft_ you were giving the leo somethign to do
01:07 telek I personally thing it's a broad cultural shift rather than problems with specific groups, at least nowadays.
01:07 mauvebic well whatever it worked, i drink at home now screw the bars and festivals and their economy lol
01:08 blah_craft_ I'm just joking - probably just some over-zeleous rookie
01:08 mauvebic naw montreal is the ticket capital of north america
01:09 mauvebic they go trolling events to give obvious tickets
01:09 telek Oh you poor sod.
01:09 * telek heard Edmonton is pretty bad too.
01:09 blah_craft_ How's Vancouver?
01:10 telek So in other news.... JJ Abrams, fresh off a Star Trek reboot, is now directing the Star Wars reboot.
01:10 telek Due in '2015
01:10 mauvebic canadian cities cant raise taxes like american ones, so they resort to issueing more tickets for everything
01:12 mauvebic will this star wars be in incest-free?
01:14 mauvebic i doubt they'd do it the same way this time lol
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01:16 Dogzilla131 Who knows what is this?
01:16 Dogzilla131 http://imgur.com/gT6j2eD
01:17 blah_craft_ i don't know - wut is it?
01:17 blah_craft_ sounds fishy
01:17 Dogzilla131 It out the water, its in land
01:17 Dogzilla131 *its
01:19 blah_craft_ did u build that space?
01:19 Dogzilla131 ?
01:20 blah_craft_ the room in which the snapshot was taken..
01:21 Dogzilla131 nope
01:21 telek mauvebic: Not as a Disney subsidiary :D
01:23 blah_craft_ I have no idea - I thought minetest didn't have monsters, but what do i know? i just found minetest this morning. lol
01:23 Kacey /clearobjects really lags me
01:25 Dogzilla131 http://imgur.com/qyr98MZ
01:25 Dogzilla131 Its in the MOB Framework mod
01:25 Dogzilla131 i think
01:26 Kacey !up 67.190.14.129
01:26 Minetest-tan 67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.309ms)
01:26 Dogzilla131 it gave me 3 toxic meat
01:26 Kacey hey sweet
01:26 Dogzilla131 i should eat it
01:29 Dogzilla131 it took me 2 and half lives
01:29 Dogzilla131 when i ate it
01:29 Dogzilla131 ill eat again :P
01:30 kaeza kaeza> is it possible to store arbitrary data on an entity?
01:31 Kacey idk
01:33 Kacey memory capacitor
01:33 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOuo_aWOQAU
01:33 Kacey ima make it
01:34 kaeza nice
01:35 kaeza BTW, Kacey: shameless plug: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4562
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01:38 NekoGloop Is it just me or is login to freenode taking longer?
01:42 NekoGloop Meow?
01:43 NekoGloop Is there any way to detect the light level of a particular nodespace?
01:45 Kacey ok ima make a calculator
01:46 Kacey bbiab
01:58 kaeza NekoGloop, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4562
01:58 kaeza and hi :)
01:58 NekoGloop I saw
01:59 kaeza comments?
01:59 NekoGloop idk.
01:59 kaeza I'm extending it to support other things
02:00 kaeza like mortars and such
02:00 kaeza NekoGloop, I think you can do it with minetest.env:get_node_light()
02:11 NekoGloop kaeza: The importance of this, if you're wondering, is a random chest generation procedure.
02:11 NekoGloop It would produce chests only in areas where the light is below a certain level.
02:12 kaeza seems good
02:12 kaeza that function should do the work
02:12 NekoGloop Chests may be interchangable with pots or anything else relly.
02:12 NekoGloop really even
02:14 kaeza so you mean something like the chests in the dungeons
02:14 kaeza but with any shape
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02:15 NekoGloop Sure. If you feel like making a nodebox and sending it my way later.
02:18 kaeza sure. do you have anything in mind?
02:19 NekoGloop A pot.
02:19 NekoGloop The type that would be made from e.g. ceramic
02:21 telek You should make it double as a helm for the armor mod.
02:21 telek Then we can claim wearers of it are 'potheads'
02:21 NekoGloop heh.
02:21 NekoGloop The pot won't be collectable.
02:22 kaeza hmm...
02:22 NekoGloop kaeza: Half a node in height, too.
02:23 kaeza NekoGloop, how about something like this? http://trialx.com/g/Pots-2.jpg
02:25 NekoGloop kaeza: http://wiki.pixbits.com/index.php/Vase is what i'd like
02:26 kaeza looks nice
02:27 NekoGloop Indeed.
02:28 NekoGloop However i want that design in halfnode height.
02:28 kaeza no prob
02:29 NekoGloop Don't send it to me now, i'm on my ipad.
02:30 NekoGloop Won't do me much good.
02:33 * NekoGloop pokes the channel for signs of life
02:33 kaeza I'll try to make it later. Too tired now.
02:33 * NekoGloop is attacked by a swarm of flys
02:34 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on kaeza's head
02:35 * kaeza puts it along with his 4 other kittens
02:35 kaeza *hiss*
02:35 * NekoGloop sits on kaeza's head
02:36 NekoGloop The kittens tell me it's comfy =w=
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02:51 Dogzilla131 Hi all
02:51 Dogzilla131 Finish my mod :D
02:51 NekoGloop hello random person i can't remember
02:51 Dogzilla131 Hello stranger
02:52 bas080 What did you make? Dogzilla131
02:52 * Dogzilla131 puts puppies in NekoGloop head, and pockets.
02:52 Dogzilla131 Dog Blocks
02:52 Dogzilla131 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65952#p65952
02:52 bas080 Hey NekoGloop, Are you really making a pot/vase?
02:53 * NekoGloop hisses and removes them, throwing them across the room.
02:53 NekoGloop bas080: Indeed. No need to link your post, i saw it.
02:53 * Dogzilla131 saves all of them
02:54 NekoGloop bas080: Other than that, is there anything else you can think of for glooptest?
02:55 bas080 ***Bas080 is thinking
02:56 NekoGloop ***NekoGloop is using stupid astericks when typing
02:56 bas080 hehehe
02:56 bas080 How do you do the *** thing?
02:56 Dogzilla131 me dont know whats astericks
02:57 * Dogzilla131 dont know whats astericks is, but still laughs
02:57 NekoGloop bas080: in minetest that means something was said by the server.
02:57 Dogzilla131 put /me
02:57 NekoGloop Which minetest's version of /me does.
02:58 NekoGloop You tell the server to say playername..contentofmessage
02:58 bas080 ok
02:58 NekoGloop actually it's saying "***”..playername.." "..contentofmessage
02:58 NekoGloop But you get my point.
02:59 NekoGloop Because i dont think the three astericks are included in server messages by default. It's just a standard.
03:00 NekoGloop Like 50% of my visible chat is me
03:00 kaeza srsly, this guy is really pissing me off http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65954#p65954
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03:01 BackupCoder ?
03:01 kaeza o hai BackupCoder
03:01 kaeza wb
03:01 BackupCoder :)
03:02 NekoGloop kaeza: What?
03:03 kaeza jojoa
03:03 kaeza he's getting up my nerves
03:03 kaeza he does not post constructive criticism, he's just plain b*tching
03:07 Dogzilla131 Its ok kaeza, im okay with the criticism :)
03:07 mauvebic perhaps we could do something to his voice box
03:07 kaeza he somewhat reminds me of this lol http://cheezburger.com/6977654272
03:09 bas080 be nice kaeza, everyone can have an of day Sometimes i can typing
03:09 NekoGloop Like that one.
03:11 kaeza okay, I'll let it pass this time. But he and that Likwid guy seen to be spamming one-line posts everywhere
03:12 * kaeza needs to cool off a bit
03:12 mauvebic since when do cold pills produce auditory hallucinations?
03:13 mauvebic i keep hearing knocks at the door (like picard)
03:13 Dogzilla131 These freak me out. http://cheezburger.com/6993793024
03:13 NekoGloop Since you took them, mauvebic.
03:15 NekoGloop Dogzilla131: I succeeded at keeping my eyes on the cross.
03:16 mauvebic they told me generic was the same lol buckleys never did this
03:16 Dogzilla131 Yes, but din't you see their faces while keeping eyes in the cross, NekoGloop
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03:17 NekoGloop Dogzilla131: I saw them changing, not them themselves.
03:37 bas080 NekoGloop, What about some areas have really dense ore amounts. Let's call them mines.  I know there has been allot of discussion on  this topic. I'm not sure myself but you could ad it for dessert coal or something else just to test if it works for the gameplay. Other ideas are explosive ores. Don't punch the ore or it will explode! Very rare and only between certain narrow heights(to not make it to annoying).
03:37 bas080 Other ideas... still thinking
03:39 OldCoder Hey
03:39 bas080 Hallo OldCoder
03:40 OldCoder bas080, Hello.
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03:54 OldCoder VanessaE, what should I update? Are things ready now?
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04:26 kaeza sorry to repeat myself (yet again), but how can I store arbitrary data in an entity?
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04:37 OldCoder VanessaE, around? I wish to discuss your mods
04:37 VanessaE I am now
04:37 VanessaE but only for a minute or two
04:38 VanessaE mods...  Homedecor is stable and ready to be updated.   Experimental, improved versions of plantlife and moretrees are up as well (see "newapi" branch of each of their respective repos)
04:38 VanessaE all of these are in service on my server now.
04:40 VanessaE well a few more minutes anyway
04:48 * VanessaE pokes OldCoder
04:48 OldCoder
04:48 OldCoder I don't want experimental
04:48 OldCoder I want not broken
04:48 VanessaE ok
04:48 OldCoder That is not meant
04:48 VanessaE haha
04:48 OldCoder to be negative
04:48 OldCoder
04:48 VanessaE I know
04:48 OldCoder Please indicate
04:48 OldCoder what to install
04:48 OldCoder
04:49 VanessaE in this case "experimental" means i'm not yet convinced this is stable, but it hasn't crashed in the couple of hours it's been under test.
04:49 VanessaE anyway if you wanna stick to the stable stuff, just update Home Decor ( https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor )
04:50 VanessaE I rewrote all of the doors' code to condense into two files with the help of some loops, and made them respond to right click to open, if the user's version of Minetest supports it.
04:50 VanessaE (else they punch to open)
04:51 VanessaE there was also a bugfix to plantlife but nothing that you need to worry about.
04:51 VanessaE (to the master branch)
04:54 OldCoder
04:54 OldCoder Did you not
04:54 OldCoder tell me to update pipeworks?
04:56 VanessaE oh yes
04:56 VanessaE pipeworks is stable afaik
04:57 VanessaE No one's mentioned any bugs, and no pull requests from Nore to correct anything, so go for it
04:57 VanessaE but, bear in mind:
04:57 OldCoder
04:57 OldCoder ?
04:57 VanessaE er, nevermind.  bear nothing in mind ;)
04:57 OldCoder k
04:58 OldCoder So homedecor and pipeworks
04:58 VanessaE yeah
04:58 VanessaE go for it.
04:58 OldCoder plantlife too if I pull the same one as before?
04:58 VanessaE as long as you pull from master, plantlife will only show a minor bugfix.
04:58 OldCoder that is fine
05:00 VanessaE are you running the latest moretrees also?
05:00 VanessaE it's stable, and strictly mapgen-based
05:00 VanessaE (well, of course saplings eventually grow if planted)
05:06 OldCoder How recent is "latest" ?
05:06 OldCoder I have been away for a few days
05:08 VanessaE um
05:08 VanessaE Jan 22,.
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05:32 Linxx hello :)
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05:51 kaeza new update for anyone interested: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4562
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06:15 jordan4ibanez1 Moo
06:17 jordan4ibanez1 Moo.
06:18 VanessaE moo.
06:18 jordan4ibanez1 Moo...
06:20 jordan4ibanez1 I wonder if I can get my server light commands into minetest vanilla when I'm done.
06:35 kaeza wat
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06:45 * VanessaE pokes kaeza with a homedecor door. :_)
06:45 VanessaE :)
06:46 kaeza *the server crashes* :D
06:46 kaeza sup V?
06:46 VanessaE not much
06:47 kaeza have you seen my new mod? It's not...very peaceful at all. But it seems many users were looking for smth like that.
06:48 VanessaE no, haven't seen it
06:48 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4562
06:48 VanessaE feel like playing around with something experimental? :)
06:50 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife/commits/newapi
06:50 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/moretrees/commits/newapi
06:50 VanessaE also, you forgot to put a proper railgun in your mod ;)
06:50 kaeza sure
06:50 kaeza :O
06:50 kaeza nice idea!
06:53 kaeza haven't played around with the plant_lib API yet
06:53 VanessaE those links are for the new version of the API.
06:54 VanessaE it's what I've been working on all day :)
06:54 hmmmm EnvRef::get_perlin_map() is looking pretty good, rev up your mods for some super fast perlin noise!
06:54 hmmmm :)!!
06:54 hmmmm sorry it took so long to get to this point
06:55 VanessaE how does that differe from perlin....:get2d() ?
06:56 hmmmm it uses my perlin noise functions
06:56 hmmmm which makes it literally over 80x faster
06:56 hmmmm which means you can use perlin noise less sparingly in mods
06:56 VanessaE ah
06:57 hmmmm it's not going to be worth much without a 'get' analog to PlizAdam's set_node_range
06:57 hmmmm i suppose
06:57 hmmmm what i really want to do is scrap that altogether and work on a VoxelManipulator interface with lua
07:00 kaeza is there any way to create a player entity from Lua?
07:00 VanessaE while you're at it, could you extend remove_node() so that it can take minp, maxp and rapidly clear out the specified cube?
07:00 hmmmm i don't think so
07:01 hmmmm vanessa, how is that different from set_node_range with the air node?
07:01 kaeza I've seen that it is posible to :remove() the entities representing players
07:01 kaeza effectively making players "inviisible"
07:01 VanessaE set_node_range?
07:01 VanessaE *looks at api*
07:01 hmmmm it's not in there yet
07:02 hmmmm oh sorry
07:02 hmmmm set_nodes()
07:02 hmmmm https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/440
07:02 VanessaE ah
07:02 VanessaE yes that's just what I was thinking of.
07:03 hmmmm minetest.env:set_nodes({{minp=p1, maxp=p2, node = {name="default:air"}}) would be an alias for your remove
07:03 VanessaE in which case, I take back my request. :-)
07:26 thexyz lol http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4561
07:29 VanessaE haha
07:29 VanessaE thexyz: to be fair, the revised theme is a little... odd.  Any chance of getting some additional themes installed?
07:33 thexyz sure
07:33 thexyz just give me links to them
07:33 VanessaE I'll look into it tomorrow when I'm less tired :)
07:35 thexyz and can you tell me what is odd?
07:36 VanessaE well, as mentioned on the thread you linked to, the yellow highlight for text
07:36 theabc very odd
07:36 VanessaE also, it feels like a lot of screen space is wasted - too much whitespace
07:37 VanessaE but that's just my obsessive nature talking :)
07:37 kaeza it also removed the "Last edited..." message
07:37 VanessaE I think that message was moved to the top of the post
07:37 VanessaE thought I saw it yesterday
07:38 VanessaE "2012-06-12 10:11:59 (edited by VanessaE 2013-01-23 07:03:22)"
07:38 kaeza oh
07:38 VanessaE (homedecor thread)
07:38 kaeza I can barely see it
07:39 kaeza okay, forget my bitching then :)
07:39 VanessaE lol
07:41 thexyz ok, i removed the highlight
07:41 thexyz is it perfect now?
07:42 VanessaE heh
07:42 VanessaE yes, it's better :)
07:42 VanessaE the other grips from that thread seem trivial to me, the highlight was the main thing I found off-putting :)
07:42 VanessaE gripes*
07:42 kaeza while you're at it change the background to VanessaE's HDX texture :P
07:43 thexyz and about >too much whitespace, can you be more precise?
07:43 thexyz kaeza: link?
07:43 kaeza nah J/K
07:43 thexyz well, I was just going to say "nope"
07:43 VanessaE thexyz:  https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/master/Vanessa_512HD/menubg.jpg
07:43 kaeza IKR :)
07:43 thexyz nope!
07:44 kaeza trollololo
07:44 VanessaE re: whitespace, look at the main forum page - all that empty space below/around the forum section titles and to the right of the last post time/user, for example
07:44 thexyz though making it changeable may be nice
07:45 VanessaE the Topics column should be shifted left so that the last post user name can be placed next to the date, then all of those sections can be vertically shrunk by a bit
07:45 thexyz that'd look really weird
07:46 celeron55_ ha, this is awesome http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65834#p65834
07:47 celeron55_ VanessaE: make a punbb theme and ask it to be added to the forum
07:47 VanessaE celeron55_: too lazy ;)
07:47 celeron55_ themes can be selected in personal preferences there
07:47 celeron55_ to me, the current theme is 100% right and almost any modification is bad
07:48 * OldCoder is resting
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07:52 kaeza okay, time for bed. night all
07:52 kaeza o/
07:53 thexyz hm..
07:53 thexyz >Another minor annoyance I just thought of: the "quick quote" option seems redundant; it does pretty much the same thing as "reply".
07:54 thexyz that's odd, quick quote doesn't work as it's intended to in threads with poll
07:55 celeron55_ thexyz: can you check the server logs of where all these views are coming to that topic? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65973#p65973
07:56 celeron55_ ...i guess with my lock you don't have any log of referrers though 8)
07:56 celeron55_ luck*
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07:57 lauxrena hello earthlings
07:58 celeron55_ the topic is like 1.5 weeks old and has many times the viewcount of redcrab's 8 month old topic 8)
07:58 thexyz celeron55_: well, i have access_log disabled
07:59 thexyz (for forum.minetest.net)
07:59 thexyz shall i enable it?
07:59 celeron55_ i'd say do that temporarily, for science
07:59 celeron55_ and put the referrers in there
07:59 celeron55_ i guess it should accumulate many accesses to that thread in minutes
08:00 lauxrena so i have a question; what servers do you recommend for someone whos just getting into the whole multiplayer aspect of minetest??
08:00 thexyz ok, done
08:00 thexyz referrers are there already
08:00 lauxrena i've already visited one and was greated not so warmly haha
08:01 VanessaE lauxrena: http://servers.minetest.ru/
08:01 VanessaE which one you play on depends on how you like to play
08:02 lauxrena i'd just like to explore for now
08:02 lauxrena i've been combing through the forums and yeah
08:02 lauxrena thought it'd be quicker here
08:03 VanessaE lauxrena: not really, not at this time of night anyway :)
08:03 celeron55_ thexyz: how does it look? a grep will probably tell something already
08:04 lauxrena pssh what is this 'night' you speak of?
08:05 lauxrena :D
08:05 VanessaE lauxrena: that event that happens ocne every ~24 hours, when the light in the big blue room gets shut off for a while
08:05 VanessaE ;)
08:05 VanessaE once*
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08:06 lauxrena lol so that's what that is
08:08 thexyz celeron55_: nothing
08:08 thexyz only my ip there
08:11 celeron55_ guess we'll leave it on for an order of magnitude longer then 8)
08:12 thexyz sure
08:14 celeron55_ if it has been a reddit or 4chan or similar post, it could get practically no hits anymore and be completely undetectable :P
08:15 VanessaE bbl.
08:15 VanessaE night all
08:16 lauxrena thanks for the list VanessaE
08:21 lauxrena well earthlings i'm off
08:23 thexyz celeron55_: then it's most likely minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4504, so check your logs too
08:24 thexyz oh, wait, no
08:25 thexyz well, you can check this one http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4431
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08:32 celeron55_ thexyz: umm?
08:34 thexyz this one has 96 replies and >140k views
08:35 thexyz oh fuck
08:35 thexyz my brain is dead now
08:35 thexyz celeron55_: forget it
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08:55 thexyz huh, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/444
08:57 celeron55_ fun 8)
08:58 celeron55_ that piece of log though is 99% likely just the port being used that the unit test stuff attempts to use
08:59 thexyz i had similar problem before
08:59 thexyz probably related to nvidia crap
09:00 thexyz though other games don't cause it
09:04 celeron55_ probably because minetest causes kind of unusual workload compared to traditional games
09:39 berome Hello. I'm gonna see if an IDE will be helpfull for me, for debbuging lua scripts. I choose ZeroBrane Studio, with an ubuntu.
09:40 berome They are several interpreters, wich I must choose ?
09:41 berome Loved2d, Moai, Gideros, coronna, GSL-shell ?
09:41 berome http://studio.zerobrane.com/documentation.html
09:44 thexyz how can ide help you to debug lua scripts that're run inside minetest?
09:44 thexyz apparently, you should choose "minetest" as interpreter
09:45 berome an IDE will help me to write correct syntax at least, no ?
09:46 thexyz probably
09:46 berome ok, seems I'm wrong again...thanks for your answer. :-)
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10:05 thexyz >4) graphical engine - irrlicht doesn't give good graphic - in future we should move to OGRE  (of course IMHO)
10:05 thexyz suuuure
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10:42 whirm1 celeron55_: are you still interested in the hosting?
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11:26 Brianetta Hi guys!
11:27 Brianetta I cloned Minetest master last night, got it built. Compared to the 4fps I got from Minecraft, it was an absolute delight.
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11:59 jojoa1997 hi
11:59 Mika_R hi
12:00 jojoa1997 hi
12:00 jojoa1997 again
12:00 Mika_R Does the new release save servers?
12:01 jojoa1997 yes
12:01 jojoa1997 it also has a new mapgen
12:01 Mika_R nice
12:01 jojoa1997 well a fixed and revised on
12:01 jojoa1997 it is still V7
12:01 jojoa1997 V6
12:01 jojoa1997 V7 will have definable biomes and rivers
12:02 jojoa1997 what os do you use
12:03 Mika_R I'm back to ubuntu now when i crashed my XP yesterday
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12:29 Brianetta Is it normal to encounter bits of terrain that are hovering?
12:29 Mika_R hovering?
12:30 Brianetta Not attached to the terrain ebelow it.
12:30 Brianetta I was playing last night, in the mini-dev-test world.
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12:31 Brianetta I kept falling down very deep holes, and finding apparent discontinuities in the terrain.
12:31 Brianetta I do quit and restart a lot.
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12:32 Brianetta Hello again, John
12:32 * Brianetta met john_minetest over on #Pioneer yesterday
12:33 john_minetest Hi Brianetta.
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13:26 sfan5 <MinetestBot> redcrab.grief New member 0 posts, registered on 2012-07-26 | id: 2523
13:26 sfan5 ^ interesting
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14:01 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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14:07 sfan5 hi PilzAdam
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14:34 Kacey hello
14:43 Kacey anyone on?
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14:56 LAD hi kacy
14:56 LAD kacey*
14:56 Kacey hi ^_^
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14:57 LAD :)
14:58 RealBadAngel hi all
14:58 LAD hi RealBadAngel
14:58 Kacey i must go
14:59 LAD stupid computer clock is an hour slow
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15:02 jojoa1997 hi
15:03 jojoa1997 who is here?
15:05 jojoa1997 :/
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15:12 NekoGloop Meow
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15:12 MinetestBot NekoGloop: meow
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15:13 NekoGloop Is my ping-time that low or is the bot laggy?
15:14 sfan5 NekoGloop: i did it by hand
15:14 NekoGloop Oh.
15:14 NekoGloop Why bother.
15:17 sfan5 !g +s irc
15:17 Minetest-tan sfan5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
15:18 NekoGloop Again, why link me to a definition of irc.
15:19 sfan5 not for you
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15:27 NekoGloop whatever
15:27 NekoGloop has anything interesting happened in core dev?
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15:29 sfan5 my pull request got merged and github rss feeds seem to be broken
15:33 NekoGloop So when do we get a stable with fancy trees?
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15:37 RealBadAngel http://imgur.com/a/PXyaA#0
15:38 RealBadAngel we are still workin on them
15:39 RealBadAngel link is to album with screenshot of trees with HD textures
15:39 RealBadAngel *screenshots
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15:46 KikaRz Hi
15:46 KikaRz I'm again... on the desk! :D
15:46 KikaRz VanessaE, sweetie, are you there?
15:47 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, before stable with trees (which will require mapgen v7) trees will be aviable to play with plantslib/moretrees mod
15:47 NekoGloop mapgen v7 is upstream isnt it.
15:47 RealBadAngel no it isnt
15:47 KikaRz well
15:47 RealBadAngel improved v6 is
15:47 KikaRz people
15:47 KikaRz where i set the node name?
15:47 KikaRz like:
15:48 KikaRz Ploty place
15:48 KikaRz or something
15:48 KikaRz or ploty block
15:48 KikaRz (im not going to use ploty.
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15:54 NekoGloop Meow.
15:58 Jordach hey NekoGloop
15:58 NekoGloop haihai
16:00 Jordach i did find some strangeness with the new right mouse button functions
16:02 Jeija @Jordach saw your post, will try to find the bug as soon as I can watch your video
16:02 Jordach Jeija, done
16:02 Jordach its up
16:02 Jordach http://youtu.be/pFhxJRwG0Gs
16:03 Jordach last night on LPGC, i somehow replaced a LOCKED CHEST with stairs
16:03 Jordach it also deleted the nodemeta with it
16:03 Jordach you can see its placing nodes where it shouldnt
16:05 Jeija yep, seems to be some incompatibility with my and PilzAdam's patch
16:07 Jordach so you can replace locked chests if youre not careful
16:07 Jordach and lose several stacks of mese while doing so
16:09 NekoGloop Who the d
16:09 NekoGloop Dfmhz
16:09 NekoGloop Damn ipad
16:09 NekoGloop Who the fuck puts mese in chests
16:09 NekoGloop Carry it with you
16:10 Jordach NekoGloop, it wastes a fuckton of space
16:10 Jordach and considering one of my mining trips results in 16 stacks of cobble, space is greatly needed
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16:10 NekoGloop Never mind...
16:20 Jordach we have spam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66081#p66081
16:23 KikaRz hey
16:24 NekoGloop You'd think it would at least make its own topis
16:24 NekoGloop topic
16:24 KikaRz why when i do Ctrl + V, the window closes?
16:24 KikaRz or when i press Enter
16:24 KikaRz (on the "explorer" of crunchbang / debian)
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16:25 Zeg9 Hi !
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16:28 KikaRz someone?
16:28 OldCoder Hi
16:29 RealBadAngel Jordach, why dont you use bags?
16:29 Jordach because extra menu
16:29 RealBadAngel have you tried UI?
16:29 Jordach because extra menu
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16:29 KikaRz people, how i change file manager?
16:30 Zeg9 Install another one
16:30 RealBadAngel in UI its max simplified to use the bags
16:30 Zeg9 (no kidding ...)
16:30 KikaRz ... i said: how i change file manager.
16:30 KikaRz not how to install it
16:30 KikaRz i want a better one, this one is glitchy. closes when i press Ctrl + V or Enter on text boxes.
16:30 RealBadAngel in original Cornernote's version it wasnt so handy
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16:34 rubenwardy hi all
16:36 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Care to share
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16:40 rubenwardy spam bot, I think: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66079#p66079
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16:41 markveidemanis hi
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16:43 jojoa1997 VanessaE: you there?
16:43 jojoa1997 anyone: Does VanessaE's plantlife mod contain the habitat mod by here?
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16:44 markveidemanis Hi jojoa
16:44 jojoa1997 hi
16:44 jojoa1997 :/
16:45 jojoa1997 i am still sick. i got to school but last period i felt :/ and had to have my mom pick me up.
16:46 markveidemanis theres just one week left
16:46 jojoa1997 no
16:46 jojoa1997 not for me
16:46 markveidemanis Ok
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16:46 jojoa1997 how is the server
16:47 jojoa1997 marktwain one
16:47 markveidemanis Umm...
16:47 NekoGloop so all the spammers are friends.
16:47 NekoGloop Seems legit
16:47 markveidemanis empty
16:47 jojoa1997 NekGloop: i am not a spammer
16:48 markveidemanis animals needs removing
16:48 markveidemanis along with all the other crap
16:48 markveidemanis that takes ages to load media
16:48 jojoa1997 they are great but cause too much lag
16:48 jojoa1997 go to #mtmt
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16:48 markveidemanis :D
16:49 rubenwardy (4:47:58 PM) jojoa1997: NekGloop: i am not a spammer
16:49 rubenwardy You just post on average 24 posts a day
16:50 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3933
16:50 rubenwardy 24.837209302325581395348837209302 posts a day
16:50 rubenwardy 1068 posts in 43 days
16:50 RealBadAngel sorry, was talkin and havent seen your request
16:51 jojoa1997 so i just am giving ideas. do you want me to consolidate all my posts to one a topic
16:51 RealBadAngel yeah, write a book ;)
16:51 jojoa1997 also i do hold back on a bunch i want to say
16:51 RealBadAngel kidding ;)
16:51 jojoa1997 RBA whos request and what is the request
16:52 RealBadAngel NekoGloop's
16:52 rubenwardy No, but I have seen may times that you have forgoten to use the edit button.
16:52 rubenwardy :P
16:52 RealBadAngel he asked for a link
16:52 jojoa1997 i am learning this is the first forum i ever joined
16:52 Calinou http://www.reddit.com/tb/17976v
16:52 Calinou noooo
16:53 jojoa1997 also can somone help me with an error
16:53 jojoa1997 11:48:07: ERROR[main]: The following mods have unsatisfied dependencies: bamboo
16:53 rubenwardy you need to install bamboo mod
16:53 jojoa1997 i check dependencies and i have them. also i can still play the game but it wont load the bamboo mod
16:54 rubenwardy is bamboo directly called "bamboo"
16:54 rubenwardy (folder name)
16:54 jojoa1997 and the bamboo mod has unsatified dependencies
16:54 jojoa1997 yes
16:54 rubenwardy sometimes they all need to be in the same mod folder (ie: minetest/mods/minetest)
16:55 rubenwardy compared to "minetest/game/<game>/mods
16:55 rubenwardy "
16:55 jojoa1997 could it be in this
16:55 jojoa1997 minetest/mods/test
16:55 jojoa1997 the game is called test_game
16:55 jojoa1997 and the mods do load
16:56 rubenwardy huh?
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16:56 jojoa1997 i have others in it but the bamboo mod is the only one with an erroe
16:56 jojoa1997 error
16:56 rubenwardy do you mean minetest/game/test
16:56 jojoa1997 nonono
16:56 rubenwardy or minetest/mods/minetest/test
16:56 jojoa1997 i have a game called minetest/game/test_game
16:56 jojoa1997 and the mods are in minetest/mods/test
16:56 markveidemanis jojoa go on the server, look at mainframe
16:57 markveidemanis 0,502,0
16:57 jojoa1997 one sec
16:57 rubenwardy they have to be in the minetest folder
16:57 rubenwardy minetest/mods/minetest/test
16:58 * Calinou is trying this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66046#p66046
16:58 jojoa1997 nope same error one sec
16:59 jojoa1997 this is the dependencies
16:59 jojoa1997 default,habitat
16:59 rubenwardy I wish sfan5 would format this list better http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/
16:59 jojoa1997 that is what is written in the depends.txt
17:00 jojoa1997 do i need to have it like this default habitat  or this default,habitat
17:01 rubenwardy sfan, what is the latest build you have done?
17:01 * Jordach plays the waiting game with rendering a videop
17:01 Jordach -p
17:01 Jordach and yes, im doing a first minetes video properly
17:01 Jordach minetest*
17:02 markveidemanis you timed out
17:02 Jordach 26 mins, how fun :P
17:02 jojoa1997 guys with the favorite servers in the multiplayer tab do you have servers listed
17:03 Jordach jojoa1997, not saying mine :P
17:03 jojoa1997 as in it isnt saving the server
17:03 Jordach after 27 mins of hell -- im not going through that again
17:03 berome jojoa1997:
17:04 berome depends.txt:
17:04 berome List of mods that have to be loaded before loading this mod.
17:04 berome A single line contains a single modname.
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17:04 jojoa1997 ok thanks but i deleted it
17:07 rubenwardy (5:01:32 PM) rubenwardy: sfan, what is the latest build you have done? sfan5
17:09 markveidemanis how do i do a link in forum?
17:09 rubenwardy [url] [/url]
17:10 markveidemanis k
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17:12 markveidemanis help...
17:12 markveidemanis SpringLobby
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17:14 markveidemanis HI!
17:15 markveidemanis OldCoder
17:15 OldCoder Hi!
17:15 OldCoder Had a PC problem
17:15 OldCoder I am here for the day except for small errands
17:16 markveidemanis go on #mtmt , i need to give links and its *spammy*
17:16 OldCoder PM
17:16 OldCoder Channel not needed for links
17:16 Jordach hey OldCoder
17:16 jojoa1997 oc i also want to talk to you on #mtmt
17:16 Jordach had a nice trip?
17:17 jojoa1997 OC where did you go?
17:19 OldCoder jojoa1997, Jordach Hi. jojoa1997 a city 400 miles away. Things will be explained over time.
17:19 OldCoder This was my first flight in about 20 years.
17:19 Jordach OldCoder, i think i got your gist
17:19 Jordach (of the overall reason)
17:19 * OldCoder shrugs
17:19 jojoa1997 nice you went to the moon
17:19 OldCoder Over time
17:19 OldCoder 400 miles not as far as Moon
17:19 OldCoder Instead of Luna this was a land of Tuna
17:19 jojoa1997 i know
17:20 jojoa1997 i was goping to say jupiter but then i htought nah too far
17:20 jojoa1997 *going
17:20 markveidemanis ...
17:20 markveidemanis i could have said uranus...
17:21 jojoa1997 how about venus hay hay
17:21 markveidemanis stop now
17:22 jojoa1997 bbl
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17:27 markveidemanis do the ghost thing...
17:27 jojoa1997_ what is it again
17:27 markveidemanis nickserv ghost name password
17:28 jojoa1997_ jojoa1997 hi
17:28 jojoa1997_ nnvm
17:28 markveidemanis everyone associated with my server join #mtmt
17:28 jojoa1997_ was gonna try to see if that did anything
17:29 markveidemanis jojoa do you have an email
17:30 Jordach i decided to draw myself with my art style: #http://i.imgur.com/ht5YwVQ.png
17:30 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ht5YwVQ.png
17:30 Jordach (screw you hash key!)
17:31 jojoa1997 markv i do but cant register my name
17:31 jojoa1997 one sec
17:31 Jordach jojoa1997, /join #freenode and ask on how to register nick
17:32 Jordach (beware, you will need to re-enter the password with /msg nickserv identify <pass>
17:32 Jordach )
17:32 berome Jordach: nice; on side of collar is special...
17:32 jojoa1997 what do i ask
17:32 Jordach berome, thats my hoodie
17:32 markveidemanis /msg NickServ REGISTER bar foo@bar.com
17:32 Jordach jojoa1997, "how do i register my nick"
17:33 thexyz inb4 /kick from #freenode
17:33 Jordach 30 seconds
17:33 Jordach (before video finalizes)
17:33 jojoa1997 markv i cant use my email
17:34 NekoGloop Then get a real email.
17:34 berome Jordach: ok, not same colours inside and outside, I have it
17:34 jojoa1997 i have a rreal one but my mom controls it
17:35 NekoGloop ...
17:35 NekoGloop You got on the forums, didn't you...
17:35 jojoa1997 yeah but my mom left here pc on. now it isnt
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17:37 jojoa1997_ ok that didnt work
17:37 jojoa1997_ any know a good archiver for windows
17:38 NekoGloop winrar
17:38 Jordach winrar
17:38 jojoa1997_ for all formats
17:39 thexyz fuck winrar
17:39 berome 7zip is cool, no ?
17:39 jojoa1997_ thexyz what do you use
17:39 Jordach http://youtu.be/H_D4y69o7VE my video is being uploaded, so please wait an hour
17:39 thexyz oh, youtube, >This video contains content from We Are The Hits, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
17:39 thexyz jojoa1997_: i use gentoo
17:39 thexyz fuck youtube too
17:40 Jordach thexyz, lol music in youtube
17:40 thexyz Jordach: sure
17:40 jojoa1997_ thexyz does it compress and decompress all formats or alot of formats
17:40 thexyz this is music video by Lindsey Stirling and I can't fucking watch it
17:40 thexyz i'm depressed
17:40 thexyz jojoa1997: of course it can
17:41 jojoa1997 also is it free
17:41 thexyz as in freedom, yeah
17:41 * Jordach hands thexyz a kitten
17:41 NekoGloop 7zip is good if you don't mind shitty interfaces
17:41 NekoGloop Which goes with the irssi user
17:41 berome :-)
17:41 jojoa1997 thexyz that is for linux not windows
17:41 thexyz shitty interface?
17:42 jojoa1997 is the any archiver that is on windows by default
17:42 thexyz wtf do you use unarchiver for?
17:42 NekoGloop buttons that use a whopping 2 colors?
17:42 thexyz there should be only one fucking command: decompress
17:42 jojoa1997 what about compressing
17:42 thexyz oh, well, one more button
17:43 NekoGloop jojoa1997: explorer.exe can open and make .zip's if i'm not mistaken.
17:43 Jordach bbiab
17:43 thexyz well, in 7zip for windows you just right-click archive and select 7zip→decompress
17:43 thexyz iirc
17:43 NekoGloop winrar supports a lot of formats as well.
17:43 thexyz it's not free
17:43 NekoGloop it is
17:44 thexyz nope
17:44 NekoGloop they *want* you to pay for it, but don't *make* you pay for it.
17:44 jojoa1997 i was using hamster archiver but that has problems
17:45 NekoGloop Why would you use a hamster for archiving
17:45 thexyz NekoGloop: read the fucking license
17:45 thexyz The software is distributed as try before you buy. This means that anyone may use the software during a test period of a maximum of 40 days at no charge. Following this test period, the user must purchase a license to continue using the software.
17:46 thexyz it's not free
17:46 thexyz and you have to buy it
17:46 NekoGloop thexyz: If that's the case then why don't they actually make it so you have to.
17:46 jojoa1997 i am trying 7zip
17:46 NekoGloop You just get a popup when the program opens, which is easily closed with the close button...
17:46 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, have you tried UI?
17:47 thexyz NekoGloop: dunno
17:47 thexyz still
17:47 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: An old version, apparently.
17:48 thexyz there was a possibility to get a free win8 key
17:48 thexyz though that didn't make your win8 "legal"
17:48 RealBadAngel who cares bout 8
17:48 NekoGloop Neither rba nor 0gb.us like to keep update logs or update version numbers.
17:49 RealBadAngel http://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/windows-good-and-shit.jpg
17:50 thexyz where's win 2k?
17:50 jojoa1997 so just wait for windows #
17:50 jojoa1997 #=an odd number
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17:50 marktraceur RealBadAngel: There are some typos there, they spelled "shit" as "good" a few times
17:51 RealBadAngel its a funny picture just
17:51 RealBadAngel imho there nothin like "good" microsoft OS
17:52 jojoa1997 hay windows 7 is good
17:52 RealBadAngel usable, but not any good
17:53 jojoa1997 i like it and i am perfectly happy
17:53 Doc22 the only reason I use windows
17:53 Doc22 is because of call of duty, and a ton of other stuff that isnt on linux
17:54 RealBadAngel answer is Wine
17:54 RealBadAngel and i bet you can run Call of Duty on linux
17:55 Doc22 hmm it uses steam so..
17:55 Doc22 well at least for black ops 2
17:55 marktraceur jojoa1997: People in insane asyla can also be happy, but that doesn't make an asylum good
17:55 thexyz Doc22: so?
17:56 Doc22 I also need to learn more about linux
17:56 thexyz steam can be run via wine
17:56 Doc22 oh ok
17:56 Jordach RealBadAngel, problem with your image, what about win2000
17:56 Doc22 well i already payed 200$ for windows 7 :/
17:56 Doc22 and loaded all my stuff
17:56 Doc22 I know that linux is better, but I am not that experienced.
17:57 jojoa1997 markv you there
17:57 Doc22 eventually I want to host a web server on linux
17:57 marktraceur Doc22: You should also try GNU, it's really useful
17:57 Doc22 with dns, mail, etc
17:57 Doc22 okay
17:57 RealBadAngel call of duty: moder warfare. status Gold. means runs perfectly on linux
17:57 RealBadAngel http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&amp;iId=8613
17:58 RealBadAngel world at war too
17:58 RealBadAngel http://appdb.winehq.org/index.php
17:59 RealBadAngel if some would like to check what games runs on linux
18:00 * Jordach gives NekoGloop a kitten
18:00 marktraceur RealBadAngel: You mean it runs perfectly on WINE
18:00 marktraceur Which isn't Linux, because it's compiled for other kernels also (IIRC)
18:00 RealBadAngel and thus on Linux
18:00 NekoGloop wine == windows
18:00 RealBadAngel no
18:00 marktraceur NekoGloop: With type coercion, yes
18:00 marktraceur WINE !== Windows
18:01 RealBadAngel its API compability layer
18:01 marktraceur But WINE == Windows
18:01 RealBadAngel and Wine Is Not Emulator
18:01 marktraceur Interestingly, !WINE == Windows also
18:01 thexyz but RealBadAngel but wine for arm is
18:01 Jordach 21 mins in my newest yt vid, aint nobody got no time for that
18:01 thexyz there's also wine for windows, btw
18:01 Jordach (uploading wise)
18:03 marktraceur RealBadAngel: Anyway, the ultimate lesson in this conversation is, this is neither a place for Call of Duty tech support nor for WINE tech support.
18:06 RealBadAngel hehe, indeed
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18:09 Calinou <Doc22> well i already payed 200$ for windows 7 :/
18:09 Calinou lol
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18:10 Calinou I accidentally my IRC client
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18:14 NekoGloop I accidentally my cares.
18:15 Doc22 oh ok realbadangel
18:15 Doc22 anyway I already have all my stuff set up on windows...
18:15 Doc22 ill learn more about linux
18:15 Doc22 right now im just a hobbyist
18:16 Doc22 so its easier for me to use windows... (inexperience with linux)
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18:18 NekoGloop s/for me//
18:18 marktraceur NekoGloop: That's simply not accurate :)
18:19 NekoGloop One does not simply call me inaccurate.
18:19 marktraceur NekoGloop: It would be far easier for me to use GNU/Linux than Windows.
18:19 marktraceur So your statement is in accurate.
18:19 marktraceur inaccurate*
18:20 NekoGloop Why, so you can fuck up your os even more than you can on windows?
18:20 marktraceur NekoGloop: What do you mean? It's easier for me to run an OS that I understand than it is to run one I don't.
18:22 marktraceur NekoGloop: And yes, changing the OS in more basic ways is part of that, it enables me to do more awesome things, better :)
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18:23 Doc22 well i grew up on windows xp so im the same way you are marktraceur, except on windows...
18:23 Doc22 I want to learn more about linux
18:24 Doc22 but at this point, i can use windows easier, because I understand it more
18:24 marktraceur Doc22: I grew up on Win98, so I understand
18:24 Doc22 yeah
18:24 Doc22 itll take time for me to really understand linux
18:25 marktraceur Doc22: But working with GNU/Linux for a few years has really been amazing, I can do so much more with this system than I ever could with Windows.
18:25 Doc22 i only started with ubuntu like a year ago
18:25 Doc22 and i had soo much trouble installing it
18:25 Doc22 with compatibility etc
18:25 marktraceur Doc22: The cool thing is, most of your normal functions from Windows-land are pretty similar in the big GNU/Linux distros
18:25 Doc22 yeah i have used ubunty
18:25 Doc22 ubuntu
18:25 Doc22 on a laptop for a while
18:25 Doc22 but I have a lot to learn
18:25 Doc22 about security
18:26 Doc22 etc
18:26 Doc22 how to install stuff
18:26 marktraceur Doc22: The really big advantages are when you can get into the more arcane shortcuts and features. Things like workspaces and command line hacks will be very useful.
18:26 Doc22 itll just take time
18:26 Doc22 yeah
18:27 Jordach http://youtu.be/H_D4y69o7VE my video is now uploaded!
18:28 marktraceur Doc22: If you ever need help with GNU/Linux, I'm available, PM me :)
18:28 Doc22 ok
18:28 Doc22 thanks :)
18:28 Doc22 i also have learned about workstations
18:28 Doc22 its where you have like 4 desktops right?
18:28 marktraceur Workspaces :)
18:28 marktraceur I have 15 on my home computer
18:28 Doc22 workspaces*
18:28 Doc22 lol
18:28 Doc22 wow
18:28 marktraceur I've found that 3 rows is about all I can handle
18:28 thexyz Jordach: 360p?
18:28 Jordach 480p
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18:29 marktraceur 5 columns is barely manageable
18:29 Doc22 haha
18:29 Jordach (i play in 800x600)
18:29 Doc22 im pretty happy with my windows 7 pc for now
18:29 Doc22 after all i did spend 200$'
18:29 Doc22 but I will come to you later when I work with it more
18:29 Doc22 I want to set up web server
18:29 marktraceur Doc22: I suspect that most of that was hardware, not software...
18:30 Doc22 and set it up as a host for the network
18:30 Doc22 no it was just for windows
18:30 marktraceur Oh wow.
18:30 Doc22 i put it together from scratch
18:30 Doc22 ikr.
18:30 * marktraceur didn't realize the level of extortion they'd reached
18:30 thexyz yeah, windows is damn expensive
18:30 Doc22 marktraceur is it reasonable to set up a computer between the modem
18:30 Doc22 and a network switch
18:31 Doc22 then connect clients to the switch
18:31 marktraceur Doc22: Yeah, you can use a computer as a router. IIRC VanessaE does that.
18:31 Doc22 and also have a wireless card
18:31 Doc22 in the pc
18:31 Doc22 ?
18:31 sfan5 rubenwardy: look it up on my site
18:31 Doc22 ok because I want to be able to host stuff without worrying about crappy router...
18:31 Doc22 lol
18:31 Doc22 youll have to help me out with that.
18:31 Doc22 masquerading? right?
18:32 NekoGloop marktraceur: 7 is expensive, 8 is somewhere in the range of 69-89 dollars.
18:32 Doc22 yeah but 8 is a pos from what i heard
18:32 Doc22 unstable...
18:32 Doc22 etc
18:32 NekoGloop Indeed.
18:32 Doc22 7 is the best one yet in my opinion
18:32 Doc22 definitely not vista...
18:32 Doc22 probably vista is the most unstable
18:32 NekoGloop I think 7 is down to 179-200 now? Not sure.
18:32 Doc22 hmm
18:32 Doc22 i got mine for 190
18:33 Doc22 i think
18:33 Doc22 or something like that
18:33 Doc22 but i needed non-oem
18:33 thexyz well, I'd better buy SSD for ~$120
18:33 Doc22 i got a ssd
18:33 Doc22 and it runs like lightning
18:33 thexyz Doc22: which one?
18:33 Doc22 1 sec...
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18:34 Doc22 http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT128M4SSD2
18:34 Doc22 and it runs like lightning
18:34 Doc22 has 128gbs
18:34 mauvebic do SSD's still burn out faster than hdds?
18:34 NekoGloop I got my whole computer with windows xp and an office suite which isnt MS office but i cant remember what it was.
18:34 Doc22 (actually slightly less)
18:34 Doc22 and yes mauvbic
18:34 mauvebic i got 7 years out of an old 160gb pata lol
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18:34 thexyz well, I bought MZ-7PD128BW at ebay for 88$ + 30$ shipment to usa + ~$40 shipment to russia (fuck)
18:34 Doc22 ssds take a slightly higher voltage to reset from 1 to 0 int he memory
18:34 mauvebic shipping here is worse lol
18:34 Doc22 and so after a while (so long that it isnt work fussing about) they become smaller
18:35 NekoGloop The computer has a decent processor, but the graphics card is ew.
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18:35 Doc22 not even worth worrying about
18:35 Doc22 it increases the speed a TON
18:35 mauvebic ups charges a fortune and breaks most shit
18:35 Doc22 lol
18:35 Doc22 i had a lot of trouble with asus...
18:36 Doc22 i ordered on amazon.com but forgot to look at the seller...
18:36 Doc22 it was some guy in an apartment
18:36 mauvebic my last netbook they wanted me to ship it myself, it cost 60$ (netbook costed 200$0
18:36 mauvebic *cost 200$
18:36 thexyz ukraine post is http://www.ilyke.net/uploads/2012/10/19/sub/13616-large-13616-5635989_700b.jpg
18:36 Doc22 and it came with bent cpu pins, heat fluid spilled on it, and missing packaging
18:36 Doc22 as "new"
18:36 thexyz lol
18:36 mauvebic lol
18:36 Doc22 i was just like "ooh 40$ off (click)"
18:37 Doc22 and amazon was like "your order has been placed"
18:37 mauvebic dont worry, if UPS guys smell things like marijuana, ittl disapear and no one dares complain lol
18:37 Doc22 and then it came in and i was very dissapointed...
18:37 Doc22 lol
18:38 Doc22 sooo...
18:38 Doc22 :/
18:38 Doc22 back to hw
18:38 thexyz Doc22: Samsung 840 pro is faster :P
18:38 Doc22 you mean the ssd?
18:38 thexyz yeah
18:38 Doc22 ok
18:38 Doc22 well i wouldnt know
18:38 Doc22 :p
18:38 Doc22 i just wanted an ssd
18:38 Doc22 its fast enough
18:38 mauvebic i want an external 3tb
18:38 Doc22 by the time my monitor calibrates
18:39 Doc22 it is already loaded
18:39 Doc22 and loading any game takes just as long as the monitor takes to calibrate
18:39 mauvebic i have 1tb + 500gb + 250gb on 3 seperatecomputers lol
18:39 Doc22 i have a 128gb ssd
18:39 Doc22 and an external 1tb hd
18:39 Doc22 usb3.0
18:39 thexyz mauvebic: buy internal one + usb case
18:39 Doc22 i got it on black friday sooo...
18:39 mauvebic that could be cheaper yeah
18:39 Doc22 it was 30$ off
18:40 Doc22 and i dont have to worry about all the stuff and compatibility
18:40 thexyz i do have ST3000DM001 (ok) and WDC WD20EARS (fuck)
18:40 Doc22 i have several old hds
18:40 Doc22 from like 2000
18:40 Doc22 can i do the external case for them?
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18:40 Doc22 (they arent sata)
18:40 * Calinou has a 200GB HDD from 2004
18:40 Doc22 what came before sata
18:40 Calinou using it to backup my /home
18:40 Calinou :3
18:40 Doc22 what is it called
18:41 marktraceur IDE
18:41 Calinou IDE
18:41 thexyz Calinou: well, I also have 16gb one
18:41 mauvebic i still haven't yanked the fucked 160gb from the P4, so it takes 15 mins to boot lol
18:41 Doc22 ok
18:41 thexyz somewhere
18:41 Doc22 i can remember that because im a programmer :D
18:41 Calinou <thexyz> Doc22: Samsung 840 pro is faster :P
18:41 Calinou and much more expensive too :P
18:41 marktraceur Ding ding ding, and marktraceur advances to the Jeopardy championships
18:41 Calinou but it has a few more GB
18:41 Calinou no, you have -3,400$
18:41 Doc22 i spend 2000$ on this computer...
18:41 mauvebic each time i open the case some plastic bit somewhere breaks lol
18:41 Doc22 i dont need to spend more
18:41 Calinou Doc22: lol
18:41 Calinou what's your hardware?
18:41 Doc22 im happy with what i got
18:41 Doc22 ok i have the asus sabertooth x79
18:41 thexyz it's fun to compare it with 64gb microsdxc card
18:42 Calinou who cares about mobos?
18:42 Doc22 8gbs of the "good stuff" ram
18:42 Calinou asus kinda sucks at linux anyway
18:42 Calinou MSI is probably the "less worst" 8)
18:42 Calinou Doc22: 12GB here :-D
18:42 Doc22 i care because it has all the new stuff so that when the stuff os obsolete
18:42 Doc22 i can pop in the newer chip
18:42 mauvebic mobos matters lol
18:42 Doc22 yeah i agre
18:42 marktraceur Calinou: "least bad"
18:42 Doc22 anyway..
18:42 mauvebic my P4 has a defective bios
18:42 Doc22 i got the 17-2880 processor
18:42 Doc22 LGA2011
18:42 Doc22 i got the corsair H-100 cooler
18:43 Doc22 http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT128M4SSD2
18:43 Doc22 ssd
18:43 Doc22 the HAF-912 tower
18:43 Doc22 (epic)
18:43 Doc22 and a viewsonic 27" monitor :O
18:43 Doc22 its awesome having a 27" monitor
18:43 marktraceur Calinou: How would you say that in French? "le moins mauvais"? (you speak French, right?)
18:43 Calinou CPUs with 2011 socket is for heat condensers :P
18:44 Calinou quad core is enough for me anyway :D
18:44 Doc22 it has a liquid cooler with a 240mm radiator
18:44 Doc22 yeah
18:44 Calinou i7-2600K here
18:44 Doc22 i never get above 20-30 cpu usage
18:44 Doc22 with a 300$ processor
18:44 Doc22 :D
18:44 Calinou (not overclocking it, heh, this is a bought computer, not a built one)
18:44 mauvebic "incorrect IRQ routing tables" 2007 emachines
18:44 Doc22 me neither
18:44 Calinou hexacore CPU for $300?
18:44 Calinou wait
18:44 Doc22 yeah...
18:44 Calinou the cheapest one is 525 euros here
18:44 Doc22 :O
18:44 Doc22 whoah
18:44 Calinou with 270 euros in france you get a i7-3770
18:44 Doc22 ill send you a link
18:44 Calinou 300 euros for the 3770K
18:45 Calinou Doc22: cheapest _intel_ one ;-)
18:45 Doc22 wait a sec...
18:45 mauvebic you can get a tower for around 320$ cdn
18:45 Calinou marktraceur: "le moins pire"
18:45 Doc22 its not 2880
18:45 Calinou "pire" = "worst"
18:45 Doc22 i meant 3820
18:45 Doc22 http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-3820-Quad-Core-Processor-Cache/dp/B006YM9JSW/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1359139508&amp;sr=1-3&amp;keywords=intel
18:45 Calinou in france, you pay the same number, but in euros instead of dollars :P
18:45 Calinou a $1000 computer in the US will cost you #1000
18:45 marktraceur That makes sense, then
18:46 Doc22 this processor never gets above 30% ysage
18:46 Doc22 usage*
18:46 Calinou €1000*
18:46 Calinou Doc22: 0-4% usage at idle, linux ftw :3
18:46 Doc22 even with heavy gaming, multitasking, etc
18:46 Doc22 me too
18:46 Doc22 when idle
18:46 marktraceur Calinou: It's weird that you would use two superlatives in the same sentence, but no less weird than double negatives.
18:46 Calinou 9% right now (running trackmania and red eclipse, clementine, pulseaudio)
18:46 Doc22 it gets up to around 10 when im using it
18:46 Calinou 1900MB RAM used
18:46 mauvebic http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2817501&amp;Sku=J001-22025
18:46 Doc22 but when nothing is going on
18:46 Doc22 its around 4%'
18:47 Doc22 the highest ive seen is 28%
18:47 Doc22 8)
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18:47 Doc22 this computer will last forever
18:47 Doc22 well at least 8 years or so
18:47 mauvebic and then you can reincarnate it with new parts
18:47 Doc22 yeah because of the epic mobo
18:47 Doc22 spend 100$ more on mobo
18:48 hmmmm r u srs
18:48 Doc22 and dont have to replace everything later
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18:48 hmmmm mauvebic, is that a good deal?
18:48 Doc22 good value in mah opinion
18:48 hmmmm you're spending $322 on a c2d
18:48 hmmmm before s&h
18:48 Doc22 doesnt have that good of a cpu
18:48 hmmmm you can get something brand new for that price that's way better
18:48 Doc22 but i guess for servers
18:48 jojoa1997 does anyone know if there is a 0.4.4 stable version of minetest for macs
18:49 mauvebic i was thinking servers
18:49 Doc22 yeah
18:49 Jordach jojoa1997, no one here uses a MAC
18:49 hmmmm doesn't matter what it's for - it's a horrible deal
18:49 Doc22 i HATE APPLE
18:49 Doc22 soo confusing...
18:49 Doc22 once i got an ipod...
18:49 Doc22 and I HATED IT
18:49 Doc22 sorta
18:49 thexyz apples are delicious
18:49 Doc22 kinda
18:49 Doc22 lol
18:49 hmmmm the last time someone tried using minetest on a mac he was saying he had problems..... problems that in theory shouldn't be happening.... he never came back though so i couldn't solve it.
18:50 Doc22 better for nomming than using as a computer/ipod/ipad etc
18:50 hmmmm now that my computer has VT-x i can install mac OS X in a vm and do some testing
18:50 mauvebic well i got a new tower recently and its a dualcore too tho it didn't come with 6gbs of ram
18:50 Doc22 :-)
18:50 Doc22 hmmmmm
18:50 jojoa1997 i need to get 0gb.us a minetest build for his powerpc mac
18:50 Doc22 i got 8 gbs of ram
18:50 Doc22 and its "the good stuff"
18:50 hmmmm powerpc mac?  you're gonna need to build it on your own
18:50 Doc22 1866mhz is faster
18:50 Doc22 from what i have been told
18:51 Doc22 (ram)
18:51 mauvebic i get by on 3 and the biggest consumer so far seems to be xfce4-panel @ 35% (wtf? lol)
18:51 Doc22 and so far its living up to its name
18:51 Doc22 lol
18:51 Doc22 i use 3 gbs sometimes
18:51 Doc22 because i have like 20000 things up
18:51 Doc22 once i was bored
18:51 thexyz ^^ http://i.imgur.com/qTq1qmu.jpg
18:51 thexyz are there any phones with non-crappy camera?
18:51 Doc22 so i spammed double click on my internet browser like 50 times
18:52 mauvebic minetest runs on 20% of 3gbs here
18:52 Doc22 and it didnt even lag
18:52 Doc22 or get close to 80% cpu
18:52 hmmmm heh, i have an IBM UltraStar that I use in my HP 9000
18:52 mauvebic and chromium at 2% after that
18:52 Doc22 i mean srsly once i had 84 tabs open on my internet browser :/
18:53 Doc22 my new computer only lags when the program goes into a loop and stops responding
18:53 jojoa1997 can anyone compile the irrchilt for powerpc mac. just that file
18:53 Doc22 and it messes up the timing on some games so it looks like im speed hacking
18:53 Calinou <Doc22> well at least 8 years or so
18:53 Doc22 lol
18:53 * Jordach slaps mauvebic with a:
18:53 Doc22 yeah
18:53 Jordach AWESOME SCREENSHOT
18:53 Calinou let me bet in 8 years, i3s will pwn your computer :P
18:53 Doc22 lol
18:53 Calinou future proofing is not useful
18:54 Doc22 the new ivy bridges are coming out
18:54 Calinou remember that programs in 8 years will be made for CPUs that will exist in 8 years
18:54 Doc22 for i-7
18:54 Calinou ivy bridge is so 2012
18:54 Doc22 yeah
18:54 Calinou we will have haswell in 2013...
18:54 hmmmm ivy bridge has already been out since june of last year
18:54 Doc22 but its the new thing
18:54 Calinou better IGP performance :3
18:54 Doc22 yeah
18:54 Doc22 i dont know that much
18:54 hmmmm haswell is useless for desktops
18:54 jojoa1997 can anyone?
18:54 Calinou on i7s, it should be as fast as a GT630
18:54 Calinou better than nothing
18:54 Calinou hmmmm: no u
18:54 Doc22 all i know is that my computer is epic and it will last for 8 years
18:54 Doc22 i dont care if its obsolete
18:54 Doc22 as long as it doesnt lag...
18:55 Doc22 if its fast, i dont care :3
18:55 hmmmm well that's the reason why i didn't bother waiting
18:55 hmmmm i just upgraded 2 months ago
18:55 Doc22 MMMMMMM BACON
18:55 hmmmm the projected performance increases of haswell are like 2-5% from ivy bridge
18:55 Calinou my computer is almost 1 year old :P
18:55 Calinou hmmmm: intel says 10% at least
18:56 Calinou anyway the prices won't change
18:56 hmmmm even if so, it sure wasn't worth waiting 8 months
18:56 Calinou Doc22: what is your graphics card? :P
18:56 hmmmm and the higher end desktop Haswell parts were reported to come around Q3
18:56 Doc22 its just some radeon.. ill look it upo
18:56 Calinou k
18:56 hmmmm the real cool part about Haswell is the idle power savings
18:57 hmmmm so it's a no-brainer to wait for haswell if you're in the market for a new laptop
18:57 hmmmm also the laptop variants are being released earlier
18:58 Doc22 calinou: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1366279&amp;SRCCODE=WEBGOOPA&amp;cm_mmc_o=mH4CjC7BBTkwCjCV1-CjCE&amp;gclid=CMDG7p-YhLUCFeGpPAodChIAtg
18:59 Doc22 works pretty well
18:59 Doc22 gets me about 60fps in minetest, constant 30fps in call of duty  etc
18:59 Doc22 justputting nums out there
18:59 Doc22 i know you dont care about fps in cod
18:59 Doc22 :P
18:59 * Calinou finished 2nd in a trackmania race
18:59 Calinou <Doc22> its just some radeon.. ill look it upo
18:59 Calinou lol'd :-D
19:00 Calinou Doc22: type "dxdiag" after pressing windows+R
19:00 Doc22 lol thats like the category of every video card
19:00 Doc22 kk
19:00 Doc22 nauw what
19:00 Doc22 a program came up
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19:01 Doc22 directx diagnostics took
19:01 Doc22 tool*
19:01 Doc22 calinou: ^
19:02 Doc22 nauw what
19:02 Doc22 hmm ill just start barfing information :-)
19:02 Doc22 Name: amd radeon 6670
19:03 Doc22 manufacturer: advanced micro devices inc
19:03 hmmmm >mfw i have an 8400gs
19:03 Doc22 approx total memory: 726 mb
19:03 Doc22 chip type: amd radeon graphics processor (0x6758)
19:04 Doc22 dav type: internal dac (400mhz)
19:04 Doc22 dac*
19:04 Doc22 Current display mode: 1920x1080 (32 bit) 60 hz
19:04 Doc22 monitor:
19:05 Doc22 generic pnp monitor
19:05 Doc22 (27")
19:05 Doc22 :-)
19:05 thexyz pastebin
19:05 Doc22 ok
19:05 Doc22 ((But its not pastable D:)
19:05 Doc22 lol
19:06 * Doc22 wonders where calinou is...
19:06 * Calinou finished 1st in another trackmania race
19:06 Calinou 8D
19:06 Doc22 lol
19:07 Doc22 soo i got da information...
19:07 Doc22 (up)
19:07 Doc22 calinou what did you want me to do that for? :3
19:07 Doc22 <Calinou> Doc22: type "dxdiag" after pressing windows+R
19:08 Calinou dinner now, bye
19:08 Doc22 :/
19:08 Doc22 bye
19:08 Calinou Doc22: you can generate a report and paste it on paste.ubuntu.com
19:08 Doc22 ok
19:09 hmmmm hrm
19:09 Doc22 hmmmmmmmmmmm
19:09 hmmmm hey guys, how do i install mods?
19:09 thexyz no idea
19:09 Doc22 ok to install them..
19:09 Doc22 you go to the folder you downloaded
19:09 hmmmm am i going nuts, do i have to do anything special aside from placing the directory into the mods/minetest thing
19:09 Doc22 then go to /mods
19:09 Doc22 then /minetest
19:09 hmmmm nothing is being loaded for me
19:10 Doc22 then paste the mod folder into there
19:10 thexyz isn't mods/minetest deprecated?
19:10 hmmmm i have no idea.
19:10 Doc22 so paste it into minetestX_X/mods/minetest
19:10 hmmmm this is honestly the first time i tried to use a mod because i need to test my new apis
19:10 Doc22 where the exe is in minetestX_X/bin
19:11 hmmmm well hold on a minute
19:11 hmmmm does it matter if i have only minimal?
19:11 thexyz hmmmm: place it to games/minimal/mods
19:11 hmmmm does builtin/minecraft or whatever load the mods from the mod directory?
19:11 hmmmm ah
19:11 hmmmm yeah see i figured
19:11 marktraceur Ha, minecraft.
19:11 hmmmm mods mods mods
19:11 hmmmm minectest rather
19:11 hmmmm minetest
19:13 hmmmm aha that worked, I guess i'm right in that mods from the mod/ directory aren't loaded without minetest_game
19:13 hmmmm somebody should probably point that out.
19:13 Calinou <hmmmm> hey guys, how do i install mods?
19:14 Calinou O_o
19:14 Calinou you don't know how to install mods?
19:14 Calinou :P
19:14 hmmmm that means "i thought i knew how, but apparently not, because it isn't working for me"
19:14 Calinou ah
19:16 Doc22 marktraceur is it you who was asking about artur99
19:17 marktraceur Uh, nope
19:17 Doc22 hmm
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19:28 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=66120
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19:54 markveidemanis hi
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19:54 markveidemanis OC: join #mtmt please
19:55 markveidemanis and i think jojoa wil come
19:59 markveidemanis OldCoder
19:59 markveidemanis ^
20:00 OldCoder markveidemanis, Hi! I was delayed but will proceed with updates shortly
20:00 markveidemanis ok
20:00 OldCoder And yes animals will be removed from your world!
20:00 markveidemanis YAY
20:00 markveidemanis At last...:D
20:00 markveidemanis could you join #mtmt as well please
20:00 markveidemanis and grant me +F in ##mtmarktwain
20:01 markveidemanis and +o but -O
20:01 markveidemanis also, remove the signs that make entities, i know they glitch
20:01 markveidemanis default signs or another sign mod
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20:03 markveidemanis OldCoder: to #mtmt
20:03 markveidemanis so i dont have to *spam* here
20:03 OldCoder markveidemanis, I will add that to my list
20:03 OldCoder or try it
20:04 OldCoder If you ask later maybe
20:04 markveidemanis http://www.sendspace.com/file/lfcn0a Server mod
20:04 OldCoder But can't you just PM links?
20:04 OldCoder markveidemanis, I said to wait for that
20:04 markveidemanis And remove home mod and kill mod
20:04 markveidemanis ok
20:04 OldCoder I will not remember ANY of this
20:04 OldCoder except animals; so please hold it for a bit
20:04 markveidemanis Why can you not add the server mod now?
20:05 babyface1031 hi OldCoder are we going to get VanessaE more tree mod?
20:05 markveidemanis ah yes, add some nodes to clean mod
20:05 markveidemanis all conifers and jungle tree
20:05 markveidemanis s
20:05 babyface1031 or atleast the update
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20:07 markveidemanis !ping ompldr.org
20:09 markveidemanis http://i.imgur.com/4zoh59r.png
20:09 markveidemanis that monstrosity...
20:09 markveidemanis and the junglegrass mod
20:09 markveidemanis to clean
20:09 FreeFull Is that minecraft leaf textures?
20:10 * mauvebic coffees
20:11 mauvebic still got 6.2km of underground highway left to go lol
20:13 markveidemanis OldCoder: the server mod is important; it will allow me to set the message of the day and the spawn area, this will be useful
20:13 markveidemanis and i will change it every day with news
20:14 markveidemanis and poison ivy ==>remove
20:14 OldCoder Hi
20:15 OldCoder markveidemanis, do not discuss here
20:15 OldCoder We will PM later if you are around
20:15 markveidemanis then to #mtmt
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20:19 jojoa1997 if i put textures in minetest/textures/all do they overide the default textures
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20:20 markveidemanis Yop
20:20 markveidemanis And go to #mtmt, jojoa
20:20 jojoa1997 but why doent it work
20:20 markveidemanis named correctly?
20:20 jojoa1997 i am using a texture pack
20:21 jojoa1997 do i put it in all or base
20:21 markveidemanis all
20:22 jojoa1997 but they are in there
20:23 markveidemanis anyone associated with MarkTwain server, join #mtmt
20:23 markveidemanis so that means mod requests, news, screenshots, *stuff*
20:26 RealBadAngel Mark Twain is running any servers? Hes long dead, died like in 1910 i think...
20:26 RealBadAngel or we do talk now bout some paranormal activity?
20:27 RealBadAngel but never heard of ghosts runnin servers tho
20:27 markveidemanis Ahem...
20:27 markveidemanis Its my server and its a name
20:31 markveidemanis ARRRGGGHHH
20:31 markveidemanis teleported to 0,0,300010
20:31 markveidemanis fullrender made no difference
20:31 markveidemanis what is the limit?
20:32 markveidemanis ...?
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20:36 markveidemanis Hi Doc22
20:37 markveidemanis 308927
20:37 markveidemanis 30927*
20:40 * Jordach has already wrote 3 theme songs for each type of youtube video
20:40 * markveidemanis goes on google.com
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21:24 VanessaE hi all.
21:25 Doc22 oh hai markveidemanis
21:25 Doc22 sorry for late response :P
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21:28 * VanessaE pokes Doc22.  just because.
21:29 * Doc22 pokes VanessaE. just because.
21:29 VanessaE hehe
21:29 Doc22 :')
21:29 Doc22 err :-)*
21:29 Doc22 lol
21:29 Doc22 XD
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21:37 Kacey hello all
21:38 Kacey !up 127.0.0.1
21:38 Minetest-tan 127.0.0.1:30000 is up (0.103ms)
21:38 Kacey haha
21:38 marktraceur Kacey: Don't abuse the bots.
21:38 Kacey i wanted to see if that worked....
21:47 marktraceur Kacey: That's no excuse. Test bots in private channels.
21:47 Calinou http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/temp/3.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/temp/4.jpg
21:47 Calinou ^ sauerbraten
21:47 Kacey i dont have a Minetest-tan...
21:47 Calinou :3
21:48 Doc22 lol
21:48 Doc22 wait so ! + up uses the bot?
21:48 Doc22 to test minetest server
21:49 marktraceur Yes.
21:50 Kacey !up 67.190.14.129
21:50 Minetest-tan 67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.308ms)
21:50 Jordach hey VanessaE
21:50 Kacey Doc22: join that server
21:51 Jordach VanessaE, i uploaded a minetest video
21:51 Doc22 okay
21:51 VanessaE hi
21:51 VanessaE you did?
21:51 * Doc22 nudges VanessaE while saying hi
21:51 Jordach http://youtu.be/H_D4y69o7VE
21:51 Jordach 27 mins
21:52 * VanessaE watches it, sans audio
21:52 Doc22 kacey what mods are in?
21:52 mauvebic gots 1.7km of highway left to build lol
21:52 Jordach VanessaE, its just me playing and anotating
21:52 marktraceur mauvebic: How wide of a highway?
21:52 Kacey mesecons, pipeworks, all sorts it is creative mode though
21:52 mauvebic enough for two hovercars
21:52 marktraceur mauvebic: In metres?
21:53 mauvebic its mostly underground with parts downtown above ground
21:53 mauvebic driving surface is 7m
21:53 marktraceur Not bad
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21:53 mauvebic tunnel is round though
21:53 mauvebic stretchy
21:54 mauvebic it should connect both ends of my map which has 7K nodes between lol
21:56 mauvebic i wanted to add hover sounds but it already takes forever to load server
21:59 Kacey lagging...
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22:02 Kacey Doc22 i must go so i am shutting the server down
22:02 Kacey bye all
22:03 Doc22 awwww
22:03 meldrian ^^
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22:17 bas080 Is anyone willing to make nodeboxes of crates, pots etc... The code is done. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4550
22:21 kaeza hello everyone
22:22 john_minetest hello kaeza.
22:29 OldCoder NEWS My worlds are shutting down for backups and updates
22:31 kaeza hi OldCoder
22:31 OldCoder kaeza, Hi
22:31 OldCoder I will list proposed changes...
22:32 OldCoder # dogblocks   # Dogzilla131
22:32 OldCoder # food        # rubenwardy
22:32 OldCoder # docfarming  # Doc22
22:32 OldCoder # homedecor, moretrees, pipeworks, plantlife # VE
22:32 OldCoder # animals dropped from mark twain world
22:32 OldCoder Other suggestions are welcome
22:32 sokomine did you restart the calinou world on port 30003, oldcoder?
22:32 OldCoder sokomine, Read above please
22:33 sapier1 oldcoder are there any bugreports by now?
22:33 OldCoder Backups in progress to be followed by updates. sapier just one IIRC...
22:33 OldCoder sapier, there is a report that unknown blocks are flying around. It must be an interesting sight :-)
22:34 sokomine aah. ok. then it's no crash and nothing to worry about
22:34 OldCoder Did node names change for birds?
22:34 sapier hmm have you disabled some mobs?
22:34 OldCoder sapier, I have not changed anything
22:34 sokomine unkonwn blocks happen sometimes. perhaps animals whose names got changed
22:34 OldCoder I am using what you gave me
22:34 OldCoder Do not be concerned for now
22:34 OldCoder Would anybody like to suggest more changes; add to preceding list?
22:35 sapier changed names should be automaticaly updated to new ones ... at least if I didn't miss any
22:35 kaeza OldCoder, mint
22:35 OldCoder That looked complicated
22:35 OldCoder Money has lots of files
22:35 sokomine yes. the removal of the logfiles if you didn't do so already
22:35 OldCoder What is mint?
22:35 OldCoder sokomine, Let us seek consensus here and now
22:36 OldCoder sokomine does not wish public logs. But others find them useful for anti griefing. What are people's thoughts on the matter?
22:36 kaeza OldCoder, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4111
22:36 sapier I've fixed some problems again when are you going to update?
22:37 OldCoder sapier, Right now!
22:37 OldCoder sapier, Do I need to remake a patch? And which two animals needed fire?
22:37 OldCoder kaeza, Short on time. What does that say?
22:37 sokomine i do not agree with the logfiles of who did place/dig which block when beeing publicly visible. there is no way to reach consensus there. either you make it more hidden (developers, modders and players can have a look at it if they need it for development)
22:37 sokomine ..or i have to leave the server :-(
22:37 OldCoder Would people like to respond politely to sokomine?
22:37 OldCoder sokomine, We do not wish that
22:37 OldCoder Would people like to respond politely to sokomine?
22:37 kaeza OldCoder, adds coins as actual items and selling machines
22:38 kaeza the locked_shop mod is buggy
22:38 OldCoder kaeza, that sounds complicated. How widely tested is it?
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22:38 sapier animal_creeper and dm need fire
22:38 OldCoder sapier, and did I need to remake a patch?
22:38 OldCoder I will diff now and see
22:38 sapier I'll update your branch to current one moment please
22:38 kaeza OldCoder, tested on Shaun's survival server and locally. Works well.
22:38 * OldCoder goes to diff animals. Would people like to discuss sokomine point?
22:39 OldCoder sapier, I will wait a minute then
22:39 OldCoder Indicate when
22:39 OldCoder Can others comment on mint?
22:39 OldCoder How does it work out?
22:39 OldCoder kaeza, what do you think of logs?
22:40 kaeza OldCoder, you place a vending machine, set the price, and all the items you put in it's inventory are sold at that price
22:40 OldCoder sokomine, issue is griefing and not development
22:40 OldCoder kaeza, are there lots of files? The money mod is messy
22:40 kaeza OldCoder, don't see a problem with the logs being public
22:40 OldCoder sokomine, what is the objection?
22:40 OldCoder marktraceur, VanessaE ^ ? thoughts
22:41 sokomine griefing does require mods who can *do* something with the logfiles. i have no objection against moderators to have access to the logfiles
22:41 OldCoder sokomine, comment further regarding the issues of concern
22:41 sapier oldcoder https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/archive/oldcoder_special_1.x.zip
22:42 kaeza OldCoder, mint uses not many files.
22:42 kaeza but I have no problems if you are against installing it
22:43 VanessaE I have no opinion about the logs thing.
22:43 sokomine the excerpt that is shown may be of limited help against griefers. maybe you can add an interface where people could enter coordinates (or a region) and see who last modified which blocks there. that would actually be more helpful and be less critical
22:43 sapier anti-grief is planed for mobf 2.1
22:44 Jordach VanessaE, seen my video yet?
22:44 VanessaE part of it
22:44 VanessaE had to go do other stuff
22:44 kaeza I don't get it. What does MOBF have to do with griefing?
22:44 sokomine and yes, regarding griefing, i regulary call cactuz_pl on redcrabs server when i notice places where someone has griefed something. but that is diffrent from showing who did exactly what at which time to everyone
22:45 VanessaE sorry to say but the video quality is terrible.  it's all blurry, mpeg artifacts everywhere
22:45 VanessaE use high-quality settings net time, let youtube downconvert it
22:45 marktraceur OldCoder: What's the question?
22:45 marktraceur Oh
22:46 marktraceur OldCoder: It might be interesting, but I wouldn't enable it. Make it configurable at least.
22:46 OldCoder marktraceur, the question is logs
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22:46 OldCoder marktraceur, I called to you to comment on sokomine point
22:46 OldCoder I am not sure of consensus
22:46 sapier ppl stealing sheep for example
22:47 kaeza ah
22:47 OldCoder sapier, I will get that now then try to settle logs issue
22:47 kaeza true
22:47 sapier ok
22:47 OldCoder kaeza, will comment on mint too
22:48 sokomine yes, i've suggested to build something into the animals to prevent stealing (which might occour on some servers). yet that does not mean that i agree to all my activities beeing shown online and serchable via google
22:48 kaeza OldCoder, another option would be to patch the money mod on the server. Users can take away items from the shop's inventory without buying.
22:49 sapier mobf won't log anti grief it'll just prevent it
22:50 OldCoder Hang on... adding animals again
22:50 OldCoder k, animals updated...
22:50 OldCoder sokomine, what is the primary problem with public logs?
22:51 sokomine that they show who did what when -> violation of privacy
22:52 sokomine yes, i know that this channel is logged as well. it's a public channel. ingame activity is something else
22:53 OldCoder sokomine, hang on a minute while I check something
22:53 sokomine ok
22:53 kaeza sokomine, I see your point, though I don't really care about that. I care more about chat messages being logged.
22:53 john_minetest sokomine: Violation of privacy or a simple method to stop bad guys? Always waiting for OldCoder and asking if he can make the logs aviable is quite complicated.
22:54 * OldCoder watches exchange with interest
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22:54 OldCoder sokomine, debate john_minetest if you are willing
22:54 john_minetest kaeza: Chat messages should maybe be logged in an other file than the other things.
22:55 sokomine the visibility of the logfiles could be limited to mods. oldcoder seems quite capable of handling a server
22:55 john_minetest kaeza: Chat messages are really private and should only be saved non-public for things like looking who started a flame war or similar.
22:55 sapier I'm with sokomine open logs are a privacy issue (but depends on what is logged)
22:55 kaeza john_minetest, agreed. Some users do trust others and have no problems relaying personal info. Making that available to the general public is not a good idea.
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22:57 john_minetest Yeah. Showing what you dig isn't such a privacy problem.  Noone can really say who you are when you only see what blocks are used (except when you always use pink wool or something like that ^^). The chat is really critical information and people don't think that the chat is public, when they talk there.
22:57 OldCoder sokomine, I can handle a server but my life is changing... I will not have time to do much for a while.
22:58 sokomine especially if there are only some players online those might expect that they can talk amongst themshelves. if something occours that needs intervention by a mod (griefing, technical problem, severe spamming/insults/...), the moderator can look at the logfile. it is the job of whoever appoints the moderator to make sure that that person knows how to handle things - that is, do the job, but gain no further advantage from it or publis
22:58 OldCoder john_minetest, note: yes, chat can be sorted out
22:58 OldCoder Would removing chat help?
22:58 john_minetest OldCoder: That's nice.
22:58 OldCoder sokomine, ^ ?
22:58 john_minetest sokomine: agree to what you've said.
22:59 * OldCoder proceeds to remove chat
22:59 sokomine for me - no. time+name+what digged is too much for public viewing. but i may stop from visiting the servers now that i know. but i'd expect there to be a visible hint on the website that there are extensive publicly viewable logs so that people may decide weather they want to play under those conditions or not
23:00 OldCoder sokomine, is Calinou World your favorite server?
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23:04 john_minetest sokomine: What is the problem with showing placed and dug blocks? No offence, but I can't see how this could affect privacy.
23:04 sokomine i won't mind if everyone could see *ingame* who placed a block. that would even be helpful. or if all timestamps get removed
23:04 sokomine time + name
23:05 sokomine might not matter if you never build on a server or visit it for 5 minutes once
23:05 john_minetest So people's timezones are revealed? Hmmm...
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23:06 kaeza Is't the time logged in server time?
23:06 OldCoder
23:06 jojoa1997 is anyone using firearms on their server or know of a server that does
23:06 OldCoder I propose a temporary compromise. Calinou World is now temporarily not logged.
23:06 OldCoder That one world.
23:06 jojoa1997 why is it not logged
23:06 OldCoder To make sokomine feel comfortable
23:07 jojoa1997 !up minetest.org 30010
23:07 Minetest-tan minetest.org:30010 seems to be down
23:07 OldCoder We will revisit the matter
23:07 OldCoder jojoa1997, I am updating
23:07 jojoa1997 ohok
23:07 OldCoder This leaves mint
23:07 OldCoder Do people wish a mint in worlds?
23:07 jojoa1997 so.....is anyone using firearms on their server or know of a server that does
23:07 OldCoder Does it work and so on?
23:07 jojoa1997 what do you mean mint
23:07 OldCoder jojoa1997, a mod that kaeza proposes
23:07 OldCoder kaeza, I wish others to test it
23:08 OldCoder Then perhaps we will add it
23:08 jojoa1997 kaeza forum link?
23:08 OldCoder It does not appear to be well known
23:08 jojoa1997 i think i might know it
23:08 jojoa1997 but what about using the money mod
23:08 jojoa1997 nvm about the monet mod
23:08 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4111
23:08 jojoa1997 *money
23:09 OldCoder kaeza, mint is possible but I wish to hear from more people
23:09 sokomine the mint-mod looks intresting. i havn't tested it. probably no point on the calinou world since no one else plays there :-(
23:09 OldCoder Any other changes for now?
23:09 kaeza jojoa1997, there are some bugs with the money mod
23:09 OldCoder sokomine, traffic will grow I am sure
23:09 OldCoder Any other changes for now anybody?
23:09 sapier oldcoder do you have reports if "trader"-mob is used?
23:09 * OldCoder prepares to rebuild and restart
23:09 jojoa1997 i think this mod should be added
23:09 jojoa1997 the mint one
23:09 OldCoder sapier, How would it be used?
23:10 jojoa1997 also kaeza's firearms
23:10 OldCoder jojoa1997, It needs to be tested
23:10 OldCoder No firearms
23:10 OldCoder Projectiles are tricky
23:10 jojoa1997 but i dont remember if i alreadyt asked
23:10 OldCoder
23:10 sapier its a trader ;-) you can exchange nodes for other ones when talking to him
23:10 jojoa1997 :(]
23:10 OldCoder sapier, nobody has mentioned it yet
23:10 sapier funny
23:10 jojoa1997 OC the mint would be used by...
23:10 OldCoder jojoa1997, Be :) I am sure you will survive
23:10 kaeza sapier, in octuteam there are a few shops in the middle of nowhere where mobs seem to spawn more frequently, it's useful
23:10 jojoa1997 people give me coin and i give them items
23:10 OldCoder Any other changes?
23:10 OldCoder Going once
23:10 Brianetta joined #minetest
23:10 OldCoder Going twice
23:11 sokomine sapier: on the calinou world it is
23:11 Brianetta I can't make doors or stairs. Is that normal?
23:11 jojoa1997 FIREARMS but no
23:11 OldCoder Rebuilding
23:11 sokomine there are traders there. if you want to look...
23:11 kaeza Brianetta, no
23:11 kaeza more info is welcome.
23:11 sapier It's goods are still limited I was hoping for feedback what to add
23:11 kaeza what recipe are you using?
23:12 jojoa1997 so.....is anyone using firearms on their server or know of a server that does
23:12 Brianetta I'm using Git master, and I'm runnign the dev mini thing
23:12 sokomine sapier: oh, i have some ideas about that :) but i'd like to run it on the kingarthur server as well
23:12 Brianetta I'm using the recipes here: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Crafting
23:12 sokomine seems i'm getting a lot of timeouts with servers today :-(
23:12 jojoa1997 sokamine: king arther adress and port
23:12 kaeza hmm... strange
23:13 kaeza Brianetta, you using the "minimal" game you say?
23:13 Brianetta The only one that comes with the Git clone, yes
23:13 kaeza hmm
23:13 kaeza let me test
23:14 sokomine 80.152.199.113 port 30000
23:14 john_minetest bye
23:14 john_minetest left #minetest
23:14 kaeza Brianetta, confirmed
23:15 kaeza you can't make door in minimal game
23:15 jojoa1997 what about this that i saw in forums minetest.king-arthur.eu 30000
23:15 kaeza you ned the "minetest_game" game
23:15 Brianetta I guess I should install the bigger one
23:15 dangertank44 joined #minetest
23:15 jojoa1997 it says invalid password
23:15 kaeza Brianetta, git clone https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/
23:16 dangertank44 Hello
23:16 jojoa1997 and i forgot it
23:16 Brianetta ta
23:16 kaeza hey tank
23:16 dangertank44 How are you?
23:16 kaeza fine and you?
23:16 dangertank44 Good
23:16 jojoa1997 sokamine you host that server?
23:17 kaeza Brianetta, and move that into ~/.minetest/games/
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23:17 dangertank44 Any idea when the minetest.net 30004 server will be back up?
23:17 kaeza you'll need to create a new world afterwards
23:17 jojoa1997 minetest.org or minetest.net
23:17 dangertank44 sorry .org
23:17 kaeza tank: OC is updating things
23:17 dangertank44 I know this much
23:17 sokomine strange: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx t/o=0.865412): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=537  is what the server gets when my client somehow looses connection
23:17 dangertank44 Any idea when He'll be done?
23:18 kaeza dangertank44, he is getting some comments and reaching consensus about some mods. It'll be up soon
23:19 dangertank44 Alright
23:19 OldCoder NEWS
23:19 OldCoder Worlds back up. Please test! Thanks!
23:19 dangertank44 :D
23:19 jojoa1997 firearms rule kaeza cant wait till a server gets them
23:19 dangertank44 Hoorah
23:19 kaeza jojoa1997, thanks :D
23:20 OldCoder Look for new animals, food, updates to trees etc., and Doc Farming too!
23:20 jojoa1997 kaeza please just make a file recipe.lua on the github
23:20 OldCoder Rather, improved animals
23:20 dangertank44 Oldcoder, the textures are still messed up
23:20 jojoa1997 github client is acting weird for me
23:20 kaeza jojoa1997, you can create it yourself :)
23:20 dangertank44 It's loading dummy images
23:20 Brianetta > ls ~/.minetest/games/minetest_game/
23:20 Brianetta game.conf  mods/  README.txt
23:20 Brianetta Is that the right layout?
23:20 dangertank44 Again
23:20 jojoa1997 18:20] <jojoa1997> github client is acting weird for me
23:21 OldCoder dangertank44, "messed up" is a matter of debate. There is a fundamental issue and I can't fix it without help.
23:21 dangertank44 Alright.
23:21 OldCoder Willing to revisit that point once I have time; if people will help. Done for today though.
23:21 jojoa1997 try redownloading the mod with the prob
23:21 dangertank44 Alright
23:22 kaeza Brianetta, yup
23:22 Brianetta Didn't work at all.
23:22 kaeza Brianetta, create a new world using the "minetest" game
23:22 Brianetta Did work when I moved it into minetest/games
23:22 Brianetta but not the user-specific directory
23:23 Brianetta Ouch. I didn't fall as far this time (:
23:27 kaeza Brianetta, worked?
23:28 Brianetta It did (:
23:28 Brianetta but I had to move it into my source tree
23:28 sokomine ohhh! the sheep got nicer!
23:28 Brianetta into that game/
23:29 kaeza Brianetta, maybe you are building a RUN_IN_PLACE version...?
23:29 Brianetta kaeza: I believe I am, yes
23:30 OldCoder 23:29:59: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError:
23:30 OldCoder LuaError: error: ...es/octuteam_game/mods/animals/mobf_settings/init.lua:37:
23:30 OldCoder attempt to call field 'settings_save' (a nil value)
23:30 OldCoder 23:29:59: ERROR[main]: stack traceback:
23:30 OldCoder Pipeworks loaded!
23:30 OldCoder sapier, ^
23:30 OldCoder I'll need to downgrade Animals
23:31 sapier latest core version?
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23:31 OldCoder sapier, that is what you gave me
23:31 sapier minetest core
23:31 OldCoder Oh...
23:31 OldCoder Hang on
23:31 sokomine but is mobf_settings really needed? a rm -rf on the subfolders of unwanted animals does the job as well
23:31 sapier no isn't
23:31 OldCoder sapier, it is January 15
23:32 sapier jan 15th is to oldm but delete mobg_settings you don't use it either
23:32 * OldCoder is confused
23:32 OldCoder Delete what where now?
23:32 sapier delete the mobf_settings folder
23:32 OldCoder And must I rebuild core?
23:33 * OldCoder does not like to update so many things
23:33 sapier you can decide what you want to do
23:33 sapier if you delete mobf_settings you don't need to rebuild
23:33 OldCoder Should I downgrade Animals?
23:33 OldCoder Fine
23:33 sapier no
23:33 OldCoder Hold on
23:33 sapier don't downgrade
23:33 OldCoder Deleted
23:33 OldCoder Let's see what happens
23:33 sokomine no. just delete mobf_settings and the subfolders of the animals mod that contain unwanted animals
23:35 kaeza anyone care to comment on this one? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4580
23:36 kaeza VanessaE, "Moretrees is not yet to a completely stable state" <== ???
23:37 VanessaE kaeza: it's still in development, and there are new features on the horizon for it and plantlife.
23:37 VanessaE (see the newapi branch on both)
23:37 kaeza VanessaE, <xavier108> Do you guys think *moreores* should be in the default game <== THIS
23:37 VanessaE oh fuck
23:37 kaeza :)
23:38 * VanessaE deletes the post.
23:38 VanessaE I read that as moretrees
23:38 * VanessaE is an idiot :D
23:38 kaeza cannot unsee
23:38 kaeza :D
23:38 VanessaE (O).(O)   "What has been seen cannot be un-seen."
23:39 VanessaE (imagine a picture of a wide-eyed cat here)
23:39 VanessaE thanks for catching that
23:40 * sokomine digs the cat and sells it later on to nekogloop :-)
23:40 VanessaE lol
23:40 kaeza VanessaE, hehe should've quoted that comment for posterity
23:40 kaeza :P
23:41 VanessaE heh
23:42 * Doc22 wonders when 30004 will be back up
23:42 * Doc22 takes cat from sokomine and spoils plans of sale to nekogloop
23:42 kaeza https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/446 <== \o/
23:43 Doc22 ohh nice
23:43 * sokomine reports doc22' grief to the local cat protection organization :-)
23:44 * Doc22 runs
23:44 Doc22 oh crap
23:44 * Doc22 hides behind cow
23:44 * sokomine stares into the eyes of the first cow she comes accross
23:44 * Doc22 runs from pooping cow
23:45 * Doc22 hides behind sheep
23:45 * Doc22 runs from male sheep
23:45 Doc22 ram* i guess
23:45 * kaeza hands Doc22 an ostrich and a saddle ^_^
23:45 * Doc22 killz chicken
23:45 * Doc22 thanks kaeza
23:46 * Doc22 runs away on ostrich
23:46 * Doc22 finds computer
23:46 * Doc22 plays minetest
23:46 sokomine sheep are still one-gender
23:46 Doc22 lol
23:47 * sokomine catches up with doc22
23:47 * sokomine looks at the screen
23:47 sokomine cows and chicken come in two versions :-)
23:47 * Doc22 calls times as sokomine is about to put cuffs on
23:47 * Doc22 runs during times
23:49 Brianetta I seem to have stopped being able to harvest stuff
23:49 * Brianetta tried quitting and coming back
23:50 Brianetta Now it's just eating my CPU "Shutting down stuff..."
23:53 kaeza are you using plain vanilla game? or do you have some extra mods installed?
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23:53 AshleyWaffle Hi :D
23:53 sokomine happened to me sometimes as well. that was when new areas where generated with lots of rather complex mods installed. sometimes had to be killed by hand
23:54 VanessaE that was when new areas where generated with lots of rather complex mods installed  <--- like moretrees? :)
23:54 sokomine er...yes :-)
23:54 Brianetta What do you do when there's only one tree anywhere, and you've already used it?
23:55 VanessaE Brianetta: you hunt around for another, get some saplings, and replant :-)
23:55 Brianetta Hmm. I'm not used to this desert stuff.
23:55 sokomine but it wasn't only moretrees. i was trying the full set of animals as well (those hostile things) and some other mods that change the world as well (technic, though no mesecons, darkage, plantlife, moreores, ....)
23:55 Brianetta I'm not actually used to mine* games
23:56 babyface1031 joined #minetest
23:56 Doc22 ok im back........
23:56 sokomine the deserts arn't that large. you can move faster after you pressed j once and after that walk with w+e pressed simultaneiously
23:56 Doc22 hey babyface
23:56 sokomine ah. do you play in singleplayer or on a server?
23:57 babyface1031 hi Doc22
23:57 Doc22 I think that if the terrain generation was changed a bit (space coordinates of perlin noise out more) that it would be better
23:57 Doc22 and hi babyface :-)
23:57 Doc22 I mean for more gradual terrain, more building spots, etc.
23:58 Doc22 and it would be easier to navigate
23:58 Doc22 also having some extreme hills

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