Time Nick Message 00:00 marktraceur mauvebic: I tutored it for three years in college and have written it....a few times 00:00 marktraceur Big projects, I tend to do in JS/Python/PHP/something else 00:00 kaeza marktraceur, would it be feasible to add an "implemented in " note in wiki pages? 00:00 Uberi hmm 00:00 Uberi I can work on that 00:00 marktraceur kaeza: That will likely be one of my setup tasks 00:01 kaeza to direct users to the correct place when in doubt 00:01 Uberi considering I won't be able to do many of the other tasks 00:01 marktraceur kaeza: That is to say, setting up a bunch of templates for that sort of thing 00:01 marktraceur {{implementation||}} 00:01 kaeza marktraceur, k 00:01 kaeza ^_^ 00:01 marktraceur {{stub}} 00:02 marktraceur {{subclassof| 00:02 marktraceur {{instanceof|}} 00:02 kaeza marktraceur, don't forget a simple {{implementation|}} 00:03 kaeza for things that are fully implemented in Lua 00:03 marktraceur kaeza: Hm. I may need to do {{implementation cpp}} and {{implementation lua}}, then 00:03 Kacey i might take a gander at the mapgen and see if i can screw with it ^_^ 00:04 marktraceur thexyz: Would it be feasible to include http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto in the devwiki? (if not, it's cool) 00:04 Menche once i mad a sloppy hack to the mapgen that created huge, epic mountains 00:04 marktraceur thexyz: It would make these templates much more readable 00:04 Menche *made 00:04 marktraceur Kacey: Woo! Good luck! 00:04 Menche by that I mean, I changed one number :P 00:05 mauvebic i would like to add a few suns lol 00:05 * kaeza puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head :3 00:05 Menche I know some basic c++, but I'm pretty helpless when it comes to the minetest code 00:05 marktraceur Menche: That's pretty cool, man. Were they really steep, or just big? 00:05 Kacey maybe a flat map would be in order 00:05 * NekoGloop purrs 00:05 kaeza hey Neko 00:05 kaeza whassup? 00:05 marktraceur Menche: Hopefully we can help you :) 00:05 Menche marktraceur: steep, but if you don't make it too crazy their not bad 00:05 NekoGloop Doing something entirely unrelated to minetest. 00:06 Kacey i have a c++ irc bot 00:06 Menche marktraceur, in constants.h, change WATER_LEVEL or something like that to something negative 00:06 marktraceur Hm 00:06 Menche -50 to -80 was the best 00:06 marktraceur Menche: The idea being that the mountains start lower, but go to greater heights 00:07 marktraceur Er, the same heights 00:07 Menche yes, but that's not entirely it. the shorelilne is stretched downward 00:07 erlehmann i want a mod with a moon 00:07 erlehmann made of moonstone 00:07 erlehmann and meteorites 00:07 Menche i forget exactly, its been awhile 00:07 marktraceur erlehmann: Then we can evolve our Jigglypuffs! 00:07 marktraceur (there's a euphemism in there somewhere) 00:07 Menche one neat side effect: it doesn't effect nyancats, so you get flying nyancats :D 00:08 kaeza Menche, want something epic? tweak it to not generate stone 00:08 erlehmann anyone going to OHM 2013 in nederlands? 00:08 Menche kaeza: time to dig some dirtAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH 00:08 erlehmann Menche, I hacked the minetest code in 2011, it is actually quite easy. whet you wanna do? 00:09 kaeza Menche, you get completely "hollow" mountains :3 00:09 mauvebic radically different worlds (geologically) 00:09 Kacey instead of stone... MESE BLOCKS!!!!! 00:10 Menche erlehmann: well, I hacked sealevel down to -50 to get mountains, however it would be nice if i could do that w/o changing the y value 00:10 mauvebic using background images, setting or removing the sun/moon, etc. lol 00:10 marktraceur Menche: You could still dig down, you'd just need to do it very shortly, then hop down on mineral veins 00:10 kaeza RealBadAngel tweaked the cave generation to use MESE blocks instead of air for a test 00:10 NekoGloop Replace default:dirt with default:stone on mapgen 00:10 Menche Kacey: you can do that, check mapgen.lua 00:10 NekoGloop Replace default:stone with __builtin:air 00:10 mauvebic you can just put 'air' 00:10 kaeza it was silly to see chunks of MESE blocks floating in the sky ^_^ 00:10 Kacey haha 00:10 erlehmann Menche, http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-giant-mountain.png 00:10 VanessaE heh 00:11 erlehmann 14-Jul-2011 13:22 00:11 VanessaE erlehmann: good luck seeing mountains like that anymore 00:11 * Kacey personally misses the sky islands 00:11 marktraceur Good times. 00:11 Menche erlehmann: ah, I really miss the really old mapgen 00:11 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on VanessaE's head 00:11 VanessaE mapgen don't do that :-) 00:11 * VanessaE puts the kitten in OldCoder's pile. 00:11 VanessaE mapgen don't do that anymore, I mean 00:11 erlehmann i made axles and gears too but they never were put to use http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-axles-gears.png 00:12 Menche i remember my first minetest game, the mountains were as realistic as a nyancat but EPIC 00:13 kaeza when I first tried minetest, there were jungles, but then, the desert nation attacked 00:13 Menche erlehmann: i saw animated axles and gears pre-modding api, is that it? 00:13 mauvebic mountains, canyons and valleys you can build cities in, not just houses :-) 00:13 Menche i *really* want jungles, dungeons, and the 0.3 mobs back 00:13 marktraceur Jungles would be great to have back, actually 00:13 mauvebic i dont miss those lol 00:14 erlehmann Menche, i made the graphics, teddydestodes coded it and abandoned it. 00:14 marktraceur Dungeons, I can live without 00:14 erlehmann jungles are gone? 00:14 Menche and not those new L-system jungles, they don't have dense enough leaves for a good treehouse 00:14 VanessaE Menche: I dunno, a nyancat can be somewhat realistic.... http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/nc_front.png 00:14 VanessaE erlehmann: moretrees mod replaces them. 00:14 mauvebic mobs move downtown, trash the neighbourhood, and cause surburban sprawl 00:14 Kacey i miss the mossy cobblestone structures that appeared around the map... 00:14 kaeza oh right, VanessaE and her HDX... 00:14 Menche erlehmann: yes :'( 00:14 erlehmann lol VanessaE 00:15 marktraceur Kacey: See also dungeons :) 00:15 VanessaE erlehmann: but still yeah a lot has changed. 00:15 VanessaE Menche: you can plant jungle tree saplings btw 00:15 Menche my opinion: no matter how many px you use, minetest will never be that realistic. I think it looks silly to use more than 32px 00:16 kaeza VanessaE, I-WANT-JUNGLES-ON-MAPGEN!! :'( 00:16 Menche i mean, the world is made of 1yd by 1yd CUBES 00:16 marktraceur You may as well spend that extra power generating smaller nodes 00:16 marktraceur 0.5 metres per node 00:16 mauvebic i have a steady and growing collection of ndeboxes lol 00:16 kaeza 1m per node is more realistic 00:17 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XTCh6qBy5s random 00:17 Kacey how does hmmmm understand the mapgen code?!?!?!?!?! 00:17 marktraceur kaeza: But not as fine! You could multiply the number of nodes by 8 to get a more realistic-looking world, because you can interact with smaller parts of it 00:17 VanessaE kaeza: modify the moretrees mod to create saplings on mapgen, and turn the ABM interval and chance down to 1 on the growing ABM. 00:18 Menche the old jungle+dungeon code was added back to the main repo, could someone PLEASE merge that branch 00:18 kaeza marktraceur, YAY let's make a world where you can directly modify the molecules that make up the terrain 00:19 Menche lets make it so there's 1000 nodes to where 1 is now! building a small house = years 00:19 marktraceur kaeza: Obviously not :) 00:19 marktraceur Menche: I guess a big part of this might be to also build tools that allow you to put down or pick up more than one node at a time :) 00:19 Menche marktraceur: yes. that would be absolutely necessary :) 00:20 kaeza marktraceur, stairs+ also provides some half-a-node sized blocks 00:20 Kacey whatever happened to the tree_prop.png thing? 00:20 Menche stairs+ nodes are really hard to craft 00:20 marktraceur kaeza: Yes, but then wherever you put the node, that whole space is taken up 00:20 Menche Kacey: enable_farmesh=1 00:21 Kacey in minetest.conf? 00:21 Menche Kacey: yes 00:21 Kacey alright 00:21 Menche it's sorta annoying though, it needs work 00:21 Kacey would that boost fps? 00:22 kaeza marktraceur, use stairsplus, make code to detect the exact pos where the player is pointing at, remove that part and replace the node with one equivalent to it with the part removed, ???, profit 00:22 marktraceur kaeza: If you have two nodes that are each cubes with edges of 0.5 metres, you can't put two of them in the same 1x1x1 metre space 00:22 Uberi :O 00:22 marktraceur kaeza: Without really complex special treatment from the mod :) 00:22 marktraceur Maybe this could be a library. 00:22 Uberi I could modify my raycaster function to do that 00:23 Uberi detect the pointed part, I mean 00:23 marktraceur But the selection box wouldn't work. 00:23 marktraceur You'd have the entire node selected 00:23 Uberi oh right 00:23 kaeza I have been tinkering with code to detect the exact "pos" the player is digging 00:23 kaeza to make "clickable buttons" 00:23 kaeza (more than a button per node) 00:23 marktraceur Oooh. 00:24 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Uberi's head 00:24 marktraceur kaeza: I guess detect their yaw and position, plus some trigonometry 00:24 Menche anyone play construder? i think that would be a better way to craft stairs+ nodes 00:24 Uberi :O 00:24 * Uberi puts a puppy on NekoGloop's big toe 00:24 kaeza marktraceur, exactly 00:24 NekoGloop Personally I think RedPower2 is what we need to go for 00:24 marktraceur Now *that* is cool, kaeza. 00:24 kaeza but I'm bad at trigonometry, so scraped the whole idea 00:25 Menche I'm working on trig right now :) 00:25 marktraceur kaeza: No, absolutely not, I forbid it 00:25 marktraceur kaeza: I will help if you need it 00:25 Uberi kaeza: marktraceur: https://gist.github.com/3125280 00:25 Uberi this lets you get the exact point the cursor is pointing at in node space 00:25 marktraceur Sweeeeet. 00:25 kaeza nice 00:26 Uberi I guess some lua-fu could finesse it into something like the buttons thing 00:26 kaeza Uberi, you should only need to return the pos in 2d space and the face the player is clicking 00:27 Uberi yeah I suppose so 00:28 marktraceur kaeza: Unless you wanted more than one row of buttons 00:28 sema4 Menche: how does construder do stairs? 00:28 kaeza make that into a stand-alone function to be included into minetest 00:28 marktraceur kaeza: Or a library that you can depend on.... 00:28 Dogzilla131 kaeza: pm me 00:28 kaeza marktraceur, agreed 00:28 Menche sema4: it doesn't have stairs; i was referring to it's crafting. it has 3d crafting 00:28 marktraceur And we're back to package management 00:29 marktraceur (it's 2013 and I don't install software manually anymore, thanks) 00:29 sema4 oh i see 00:29 Menche sema4: crafting recipes are 3d structures: you lay out a crafting surface, build the structure, then punch the crafting surface to complete 00:30 Menche would make more sense for making stairsplus nodes 00:30 Menche you could build a large model of the desired nodebox, then get some of that nodebox 00:31 Uberi holy moly construder looks awesome 00:31 Menche *some nodes with that nodebox 00:32 sema4 i was thinking about something like that -- real time generation of nodebox dimensions in game rather than having them predefined in lua 00:33 Menche unfortunately, you cannot define nodes on the fly, so the patterns would have to be mapped to predefined nodes 00:33 NekoGloop Entities. 00:33 Menche Entities suck. 00:33 NekoGloop Life sucks. 00:33 sema4 shouldn't be a big problem to add new nodes at runtime (even if game does not do it now) 00:33 Menche *using entities for nodes sucks 00:34 Menche damage works differently, you can't walk on them 00:34 sema4 and you could export the required lua for new nodes so thay they reload next startup 00:34 Menche sema4: i had that idea, thats the best you can do currently i think 00:34 marktraceur Wow, none of this sounds like a good idea 00:35 NekoGloop Wow, you sound like you have one. 00:35 Kacey where do i find the code to spawn a nyan cat? 00:35 NekoGloop Could you share? 00:35 Menche the best would be to map the patterns to predefined nodes 00:35 Menche Kacey: mapgen.lua (in default) 00:35 sema4 the problem is.. you know, very large number of possible nodebox frame coordinates. :> 00:35 Menche Kacey: at least i think thats it 00:35 marktraceur NekoGloop: No, but defining potentially 125 * ( number of nodes in the game ) is a bad idea (and that's only for a 5x5x5 nodebox grid) 00:36 Menche sema4: well, for stairs+ it would only be 2x2x2 00:36 marktraceur Hm. 00:36 sema4 oh yeah, if you put limitations like that then you're safe 00:36 marktraceur Even 2x2x2 sounds like a lot 00:36 Menche but it would be amazing if you could have a scanner mod that makes a nodebox model of your house 00:36 NekoGloop So 8 * (1 per minetest.registered_nodes entry) 00:37 marktraceur NekoGloop: Maybe only those in a certain group? 00:37 NekoGloop marktraceur: sure 00:37 marktraceur Can we get registered {items,nodes,crafts} by group? 00:37 Menche i like the idea of saving the nodebox to a list and having the nodeboxes registered on restart 00:37 marktraceur (without nasty linear search?) 00:38 NekoGloop No but you can iterate through the list, and record which ones have it 00:38 sema4 but with your method wouldn't the nodeboxes all be predefined? you're just chaning how you place the desired nodebox ("crafting" it in place) 00:38 sema4 chanGing 00:38 Kacey compiling minetest... 00:39 Kacey going to make seed + 0 00:39 Kacey = 00:39 Menche or just /set fixed_map_seed 0 00:40 Kacey would /set seed 0 work in game? 00:40 Menche you would have to then exit and create a new world, but yes 00:40 Menche it's "fixed_map_seed" 00:41 Menche sema4: my idea was basically an alternate way of crafting for the starisplus mod 00:41 sema4 yeah 00:41 Menche cuz I'm tired of filling my inv with preliminary blocks 00:41 sema4 yeah that's understandable 00:41 NekoGloop handsaws. 00:41 sema4 i have been working in creative mode and it's a nuisance having 20 paeges of blocks to srch through 00:44 init damn 00:44 Uberi no no, it's not 8 * nodes 00:44 Uberi it's 2 ^ 8 nodes 00:44 NekoGloop why? 00:44 Uberi or rather, 255 nodeboxes per node 00:45 Uberi NekoGloop: because 8 only includes the combinations with one part in them 00:45 init view_bobbing_amount = 20.0 00:45 init == segfault 00:45 Uberi 255 to correctly account for every possible combination 00:45 Uberi minus the blank one, which is air 00:45 OldCoder Hi 00:45 Uberi 256 - 1, not accounting for rotations 00:45 Uberi hey OldCoder 00:45 OldCoder o/ 00:45 Menche Uberi: well you wouldn't have all combos 00:46 Kacey hi OldCoder 00:46 Uberi Menche: but then you couldn't build like with LittleBlocks? 00:46 Menche just the ones from stairs+, was my idea 00:46 Uberi ah 00:46 sema4 facedir allows you to elimiate 3/4 of them 00:46 init oh 00:46 Uberi sema4: not quite that many, but quite a few, yeah 00:46 Menche Uberi: well, that would be incredibly annoying, even if you had all the possible combos 00:47 Menche manually crafting each 2x2 section 00:47 Uberi Menche: I'm thinking LittleBlocks style :) 00:48 Uberi http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/730795-147smp-little-blocks-mod-2021-copying-wand-and-more-530kdls/ 00:48 NekoGloop which I cant miss an oppourtunity for this: 00:48 NekoGloop holy shit compact redstone 00:48 Menche each block would still be only one node for the purposes of placing them, so it would be pretty difficult 00:49 sema4 well it would be more than 3/4 since some things like slab don't really need facedir. *shrugs* 00:49 Menche now, add the fact that each micronode can be a different material to you're equation 00:50 Uberi Menche: yeah it's pretty nontrivial 00:50 Menche how many defs would you need? lol 00:50 Uberi 2^8^MATS 00:50 Uberi this gets infeasible very fast 00:50 sema4 wow does little blocks use nodebox or some other method? 00:51 Menche and littleblocks is 8x8x8 rather than 2x2x2 00:51 Menche i cannot comprehend numbers that big 00:52 Menche so, 8^8^[# of material types]? 00:52 kaeza BEST COMMENT EVAR!! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64115#p64115 00:52 Menche yaay 00:52 Uberi it's just a mind boggling number, yes 00:52 Kacey 2^2^2^2 i win !!!!!! 00:53 Uberi heheheh 00:54 Menche remembered seeing that picture and just HAD TO find and use it 00:54 NekoGloop Menche: that is still remarkably easy to press 00:54 Kacey not this little caps lock button 00:54 NakedFury add a scorpion programmed to sting who ever presses caps lock 00:54 Kacey i can barely press it without spikes 00:55 sema4 oh silly me, it;s MC, not MT. 00:55 Uberi sema4: yeah it's some wierd tile entity 00:57 Oblivion1500 hello everyone , how are you guys doing today? 00:58 marktraceur Oblivion1500: Pretty well! How are you? 00:58 Oblivion1500 im doing good, just getting my bash skills in haha 00:58 kaeza Menche, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64138#p64138 00:59 Menche yeah 00:59 Oblivion1500 i just learned how to edit my bashrc in mint 00:59 init BTW, did I mention using proper punctuation and sentence structure? 00:59 Menche also, sometimes I ignore topics with CAPSLOCK and/or poor grammar in the title 00:59 init hahahaha 00:59 Oblivion1500 its not the same as other distros took me a wile to find the file had to do a search for it 01:00 Menche mint has a different bashrc? 01:00 init Oblivion1500: the .bashrc is in the same place, in every distro 01:00 Oblivion1500 where? 01:00 Menche ~/.bashrc 01:01 Oblivion1500 yea well mine is in the etc folder 01:01 Oblivion1500 so your wrong 01:01 Uberi must be a Mint thing 01:01 Menche /etc/skel? 01:01 init nop 01:01 Oblivion1500 no just /etc 01:01 init i think he means some /etc/profile 01:01 Menche the .bashrc template is in /etc/skel, i had to copy it over 01:01 Menche /etc/profile != ~/.bashrc 01:01 kaeza Oblivion1500, .bashrc is ALWAYS in your home 01:02 init Menche: ik, but i don't think Oblivion1500 knows that 01:02 init /etc == systemwide 01:02 init ~ == userwide 01:02 Menche you should be able to edit your own bashrc, it would be silly to have it in etc 01:02 Oblivion1500 yea but thats the onlyone that will do anything to my term 01:02 Oblivion1500 i can edit, with the sudo command 01:02 Menche well yeah 01:02 kaeza Oblivion1500, fun fact: files starting with a dot are not normally shown unless you use ls -a or View->Hidden files 01:03 init i can get a kernel panic with sudo 01:03 Oblivion1500 yes i know that 01:03 init so what, sudo == root == you can do everything 01:03 Kacey 92% made 01:03 Menche i prefer ls -A with a capital A, it doesn't show the . and .. 01:04 Uberi Menche: but those are sort of useful! not really... 01:04 Oblivion1500 here hold on i will show you 01:04 Menche cd .. to go up a directory, cd . if you just like executing commands for the heck of it 01:04 Menche anyway you know they're always there 01:05 kaeza Oblivion1500, if .bashrc does not exist in your home, you should create it manually 01:05 Menche jk, ./[some script] is useful 01:05 Kacey file INSTALL cannot set permissions on "/usr/local/share/minetest/builtin" 01:05 Kacey huh? 01:05 Oblivion1500 whats the diff if its in my home or not? 01:05 kaeza Kacey, did you do sudo make install? 01:05 init [22:02:14] /etc == systemwide 01:05 init [22:02:30] ~ == userwide 01:05 Menche Oblivion1500: you can only edit stuff in your home 01:06 init already said. /etc is for the entire system, ~ is for your user 01:06 Kacey crap 01:06 Menche Oblivion1500: of course you can use sudo, but that should be used carefully, only when necessary 01:06 init in a "1-user" system it doesn't really matter, well, but having to use sudo for editing something what doesn't really need it... is just an useless thing what you shoud avoid 01:06 Uberi ls `yes` is a better way of listing all your files :P 01:06 Oblivion1500 hmm, well let me do this, just copy the bash.bashrc file over to home? 01:06 kaeza lol on Puppy Linux you are ALWAYS root by default 01:06 Menche perhaps I shouldn't be talking about safety, i edit files as root all the time... 01:07 Oblivion1500 or just the text to .bashrc? 01:07 kaeza epic security phail 01:07 init kaeza: isn't puppy linux a "live system" mainly? 01:07 kaeza init, nope 01:07 init in my liveusb i have sudo without password 01:07 kaeza it can be installed 01:08 Menche puppy runs entirely in RAM 01:08 Menche i think 01:08 Oblivion1500 nobody? or should i just make a blank .bashrc? 01:08 kaeza Menche, it can be installed in "frugal" mode 01:08 Menche creating the .bashrc should work 01:08 kaeza even alongside Windows or another distro 01:09 Menche or, "cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ." to get a template 01:09 Oblivion1500 do i have to add anything to it or will it just do what its suposed to do then run .bashrc? 01:09 * Kacey is off to fix his flux capacitor 01:09 Menche i think you have to define your PS1 in it, but if you copy the template over that should be in it 01:09 Menche already 01:10 Oblivion1500 cp: cannot stat `/etc/skel/.bashrc': No such file or directory 01:11 Oblivion1500 its bash.bashrc 01:11 Oblivion1500 i dont have any .bashrc anywhere 01:11 Oblivion1500 just bash.bashrc 01:11 Menche hmm, perhaps yours is different from mine 01:11 Oblivion1500 i can get a template for that 01:11 Oblivion1500 im using mint 14 01:12 Menche my /etc/skel has: .bash_logout .bash_profile .bashrc .xinitrc .xsession 01:12 Menche /etc/skel is copied into the new home dir when a new user is created 01:12 Oblivion1500 mine has all that but with bash in the front of it 01:12 Menche those are all the default files 01:13 Oblivion1500 ohh, maybe because i only have one user? 01:13 kaeza anyone? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4469 01:13 Menche i do to, shouldn't have anything to do with it 01:13 Menche *too 01:14 Menche http://pastebin.com/VbW5gW2E is what is in my /etc/skel/.bashrc. is your bash.bashrc similar? 01:15 * Menche notices that #minetest has become a linux help channel 01:15 Oblivion1500 lol mine has that pluss alot more 01:15 Oblivion1500 i mean i know its what my term uses because i edited it 01:16 Oblivion1500 and it showed on my next term sesion 01:16 kaeza I would be tempted to say → #linuxmint but meh 01:16 Oblivion1500 they dont know shit 01:16 Oblivion1500 i get more help here than i do there 01:16 Oblivion1500 see i didnt need help and i got it here 01:17 kaeza oook 01:17 kaeza O.o 01:17 Oblivion1500 if i ask for help there i wont get squat for about an hour and somebody will say something stupid 01:18 sema4 how does WTFPL differ from public domain ? 01:18 kaeza sema4, public domain is not valid on all countries 01:18 Menche public domain is not a licence; WTFPL and CC0 are ways of using the public domain 01:18 kaeza (legally speaking) 01:19 sema4 interesting, OK. 01:19 sema4 is CC0 equivalent to WTFPL ? 01:19 Menche personally, I prefer CC0. It's essentially the same (i think) but sounds more professional 01:19 sema4 hehe 01:19 Menche doesn't have profanity in it XD 01:19 init WTFPL sounds better >:D 01:19 sema4 also, i am teaching my 7yo to mod and don't want him to have to refer to 'fuck' :> 01:19 Menche CC0 basically waives all exclusive rights 01:20 Oblivion1500 fudge 01:20 Menche so anyone can do anything with your work 01:20 sema4 ok cool 01:20 kaeza Menche, WTFPL just scares the hell out of whoever wants to ask you "can I use/modify it?" 01:20 henson i'm having a weird issue where my scree constantly drifts to the left. anyone seen that before? 01:20 Menche ya, basically cuss at someone to tell them they can use it 01:20 kaeza the answer is simply "YES" 01:21 Menche "you can do **** *** **** you want to" 01:21 sema4 henson: laptop with touchpad? 01:21 henson sema4: yup :-) 01:21 Menche henson: i have had that problem before, let my find the forum thread... 01:21 Menche henson: try moving the window around and try fullscreen. 01:22 Menche it's a weird bug that appears randomly, it's probably really hard to fix 01:22 sema4 i don't think it's minetest specific, i have it in google maps/earth all the time 01:22 henson Yup! Moving the window around fixed it 01:22 Menche i *might* have noticed a correlation between it and changing my video driver 01:23 Menche the forum thread, if interested -> http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1267 01:23 Menche unfortunately theres not much more info there 01:24 Menche would you, by any chance, be using the nouveau driver? that's all I can think of 01:24 henson I'm running the opensource ati driver -- which also has its issues 01:25 Menche ah. I don't have any machines with ATI cards 01:25 init lucky Menche 01:26 NekoGloop If you have a gamecube you do. 01:26 Menche i haven't seen the error for a while, and i've been using the proprietary nvidia drivers for a while, there *may* be a correlation, i forget exactly when it stopped doing that 01:26 Menche performance wise, the latest nouveau actually runs minetest quite well 01:30 sema4 henson: don't rule out the touchpad. if it keeps happening, try external pointing device. 01:30 marktraceur Possibly useful to some people here: http://dustycloud.org/blog/on-hackers-and-depression 01:33 Menche my minetest started the weird turning whenever I hit the touchpad; using a real mouse fixed it and worked fine 01:35 kaeza this guy is plagiarizing all mods: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64141#p64141 01:36 marktraceur kaeza: "plagiarizing" is a strong word, since the license explicitly allows him to do what the fuck he wants to 01:36 marktraceur kaeza: Protip, license your mods under something that requires attribution 01:36 kaeza marktraceur, maybe yes 01:36 kaeza but you get the point 01:36 VanessaE I try to always give attribution even with WTFPL code. 01:37 kaeza the guy just took special_tools by jojoa and released it as his own creation 01:37 init that is why i like a license like GPL 01:37 kaeza that is legal under WTFPL, but not entirely moral 01:38 VanessaE "new owner" in the topic... 01:38 * init takes kaeza's irc mod and releases it as exioirc mod v2 01:38 VanessaE jojoa did say he doesn't plan to continue it, and I believe he did say Likwid was welcome to take over 01:38 kaeza go ahead :) 01:39 kaeza VanessaE, then why not post in the original topic 01:39 kaeza ? 01:39 VanessaE kaeza: dunno 01:42 Uberi that's why you don't use the WTFPL 01:42 Uberi you remain legally liable for your code 01:42 kaeza Possibly useful to some people here: http://dustycloud.org/blog/on-hackers-and-depression 01:42 Kacey backz 01:43 Uberi if the user's system goes awry, they can sue you (they won't win, of course, but court costs can add up) 01:43 kaeza that's a really nice article 01:43 init Uberi: for me WTFPL is just k for "short codes" 01:44 kaeza Uberi, the WTFPL offers no guarantees whatsoever IIRC 01:44 kaeza warranties* 01:44 init for a entire mod doing more than "adding a command" or anything, other licences are a lot better 01:45 kaeza Maybe I should release IRC as a more restictive license in the next major version? 01:45 kaeza is this legal? 01:45 Uberi kaeza: yes, but it doesn't actually say so 01:45 Uberi kaeza: you own the code, of course you can use whatever license you want 01:45 Uberi kaeza: for example, the GPL explicitly says, "no express or implied warranty" 01:45 Uberi that means you are not legally liable for what your users do 01:46 kaeza I mean, the code will still be free, but I don't want every f*cktard out there copying it and not giving credit 01:46 kaeza It's not my work alone 01:46 init every free/open licence i had read has the "no warranty" thing 01:46 Uberi init: but not the WTFPL 01:47 Uberi even 3 clause BSD has it 01:47 init :P 01:47 init kaeza: what licence do you think for the next "release"? 01:49 Uberi kaeza: personally I recommend AGPL, but you might also consider CC or BSD/MIT 01:49 Uberi kaeza: AGPL would force anyone who made changes to it to also make their changes public 01:49 kaeza IDK, I want it to be basically "you can do whatever you want, but the original is mine and you are not to misrepresent it's ownership" 01:49 Kacey i make all my mods in wtfpl 01:50 Uberi kaeza: sounds like you probably want to go for BSD then 01:50 Menche kaeza: what about CC BY? 01:51 init i don't know how CC works in code 01:51 Menche ah, right, they aren't recommended for code 01:51 kaeza hmm 01:51 Uberi yeah it;s more for art and writing and stuff 01:51 VanessaE cc-by-sa is fine for code 01:51 Menche does that apply to lua though? most of the problems were with object code and linking 01:51 Uberi I'd still go with dedicated software licenses though 01:51 Menche whether or not you can link a certain code with other stuff 01:52 Uberi you don't want to end up with loopholes 01:52 Menche *GPLs are too restrictive for my taste 01:52 Uberi and after all, the minetest API and lua are a sticky bunch 01:52 Menche BSD probably 01:52 kaeza Menche, agreed 01:52 Uberi is it a derivative work because it uses the MineTest API? 01:52 kaeza GPL is too restrictive 01:52 Menche it has to be compatible with LGPL, though, to be included in the main mientest game 01:52 Uberi yes, BSD would do that 01:53 Menche the FSF is a bit too radical i think 01:53 Menche and their licenses 01:53 Oblivion1500 still on this topic huh? 01:53 init GPL is very restrictive, because it "removes" one freedom thing for keeping/forcing the others 01:54 kaeza I don't like GPL because it makes derivative works open source 01:54 kaeza IIRC 01:54 Menche yes 01:54 init yep, and i like it because that 01:55 Menche i want people to be able to make a proprietary fork of mine if they wish, as long as they credit me 01:55 kaeza Menche, that's basically what I want 01:55 init in that case we are talking about "personal things" 01:55 Menche i did use LGPL for one of my mods, i didn't know the if i could relicense the minetest code i used 01:56 Menche is that legal? 01:56 Oblivion1500 a question, what do i need ipv6 for? 01:56 Menche i know LGPL code can be "used with" a work of a different license, but does that count? 01:56 Menche Oblivion1500: currently nothing 01:56 Uberi Menche: you cannot relicense code that you do not own without permission 01:56 Oblivion1500 wow, so i can disable it 01:56 Oblivion1500 thanks 01:57 bwsrjr_ i'm pretty new. anyone have a server with a free spot? 01:57 Menche Uberi: LGPL code can be "used with" code of a different license, would that apply? 01:57 Menche it was meant to allow linking 01:57 sema4 good night 01:57 init Menche: put the LGPL code in other file 01:57 kaeza okay, seems like nobody gives a fck about my lava suit :( 01:57 init and load it from your non-LGPL code :P 01:57 * Kacey is going to duct tape on this mouse cord... 01:57 VanessaE Kacey: jeez give it some time 01:58 Oblivion1500 i think the lava suit is pretty cool 01:58 mgodzilla where all the white women at? 01:58 VanessaE mgodzilla: Blazing Saddles. 01:58 Uberi Menche: yep, as long as the code is independent 01:58 Kacey it keeps falling off of my tv tra and annoying me 01:58 mgodzilla hehe 01:58 Oblivion1500 but is it debugged 01:58 mgodzilla excuse me while I whip this out... 01:58 kaeza Oblivion1500, care to leave a comment to BUMP the topic? :P 01:58 Oblivion1500 can you use it and still get hit by players and it not heal 01:59 Kacey menche.servegame.com not working 01:59 kaeza Oblivion1500, once the engine supports a way of finding what caused damage to the player, yes 01:59 Menche Kacey: i was rebuilding minetest, it will be up in a few minutes, sorry 02:00 Kacey ooh ok 02:00 Kacey speaking of which, i must do that also 02:00 Kacey 0.4.4d1 here i come 02:00 Oblivion1500 commented! 02:00 Menche in the probably vain hope that compiler optimizations would help... I know, I know, they don't make that much difference, yell at me if you want 02:00 bwsrjr_ i'm connecting to mt1.gameboom.net PORT: 30000 02:01 kaeza Menche can you give a link to the BSD license? 02:02 * kaeza is too dwwunk now to google for it 02:02 Menche kaeza: im not sure, search for it 02:02 Menche kaeza: i believe there are several 02:02 kaeza Menche I will see what I find 02:03 Kacey how do i delete a hidden file? 02:03 Uberi magic 02:03 Kacey nvm i got it 02:03 Menche Kacey: if you can see it, just like any other file 02:03 Menche rm [file], or press CTRL-H in most file managers to show them 02:03 Kacey i couldnt see it but i knew the path 02:03 Kacey i hit ctrl+h 02:04 Menche then rm [path] 02:04 Menche hidden files are just ordinary files with a . at the start of their name 02:04 kaeza Kacey, easy: rm -fr /* 02:05 kaeza DON'T DO IT ^^ 02:05 kaeza lol 02:05 Menche ...don't actually use that command, of course 02:05 Kacey dobedobedobe 02:05 Uberi also: ls `yes` 02:05 Menche actually that would return an error, 'cus you forgot "sudo" 02:05 kaeza Menche, woops :) 02:06 Kacey where do i get 0.4.4d1? 02:06 Menche Kacey: latest git 02:07 Kacey okiedokie 02:07 kaeza Oblivion1500, thx 02:07 kaeza brb 02:08 Kacey now to compile... 02:08 Menche Kacey: menche.servegame.com:30000 is back up. map's still not ready though 02:08 kaeza bacj 02:08 Kacey new map or old map? 02:08 kaeza back, even 02:08 Menche old 02:08 Kacey alright 02:09 init wb kaeza :P 02:09 Menche i think i'll do the worldedit on my other computer, don't think my poor server will like such large worldedits 02:09 kaeza thx :P 02:09 Kacey do you have the coords of my castle? 02:09 Menche no 02:09 Kacey just go out past my city 02:09 kaeza since mark* (not traceur) is not here, I can safely use Pidgin ^_^ 02:09 Kacey (I FORGOT THE NAME OF MY CIT!!!!) 02:09 Menche the server was lagging with just me on earlier, that worries me 02:10 Menche it wasn't really bad, but was annoying 02:11 Kacey haha 02:11 Menche minetest has been requiring more and more resources 02:11 Kacey oops 02:11 Menche before the stable 0.4.0, my netbook ran minetest w/o problems 02:11 Kacey it did 02:12 Kacey alright i have an old dell 02:12 Menche VanessaE said a bug was causing the increased CPU usage 02:12 Kacey how do i change video cards? 02:12 Uberi Menche: before 0.4.0, there was no modding API 02:12 Menche Uberi: wrong 02:12 Uberi Kacey: you open your computer, take out the old one 02:12 Uberi then put the new on in 02:12 Menche i was referring to the 0.4.dev versions 02:12 Uberi Menche: hmm? 02:13 Kacey where is it? 02:13 Uberi ah, I see 02:13 Menche 0.4.dev, before the stable 02:13 Uberi Kacey: desktop or laptop? 02:13 Uberi Menche: if you really want to get to the bottom of it, I suppose a git bisect could do it 02:13 Menche i have *no* idea what that means, unfortunately 02:14 Uberi basically you go back in time by half the amount of commits, recompile, test again 02:15 Uberi binary search to find the exact commit where it started going wrong 02:15 Uberi it's time consuming but definitely works 02:15 NekoGloop May I ask a question which has absolutly nothing to do with minetest? 02:15 Uberi you just did 02:15 Menche shouldn't be too hard, i noticed the lag right after the 0.4.0 release 02:16 Menche that was quite a question, lol 02:16 Uberi ah, so you'd start with the range of a late dev, all the way to the stable 02:18 * Menche clicks through a bunch of pages on github to get back that far 02:18 init what about git log? :P 02:19 Uberi Menche: no need! just use `git bisect` 02:19 Uberi it's a command that does it for you 02:19 * Menche knows only the most basic git commands 02:19 Menche lol 02:20 Dogzilla131 kaeza: hi 02:20 erlehmann what is this i don't even https://plus.google.com/photos/107197012694498284899/albums/5819778001563048513?banner=pwa 02:21 marktraceur kaeza: markveidemanis? 02:21 kaeza hehe 02:21 Menche erlehmann, that mauvebic's stuff? 02:21 * Kacey is going to fix a pentium 4 ht 02:21 kaeza marktraceur: may I PM? 02:21 erlehmann Menche, which server? 02:21 marktraceur kaeza: Yuuuup 02:21 bwsrjr What are some good mods for a newbie like myself to check out? 02:21 Menche looks like stuff mauvebic made in a private world 02:22 Menche bwsrjr: moreblocks, moreores, plantlife, xpanes are good 02:22 erlehmann bwsrjr, do you want to code mods or use mods? 02:22 bwsrjr Thanks, Menche! 02:22 bwsrjr erlehmann: Just start off by using them ;-) 02:23 Uberi bwsrjr: MESECONS! 02:23 Kacey http://www.clemsco.com/media/f/a207917127ac99591b2bef_m.JPG i have to work with that... 02:23 Menche how could I forget mesecons? yes, of course 02:24 Uberi and WorldEdit if you're into serious building 02:24 bwsrjr Uberi: MESECONS it is! 02:24 Menche *shameless self plug* and desert uses, to make deserts make sense 02:25 Menche 3dforniture to make trees round, add furniture, among other things 02:25 Uberi bwsrjr: WorldEdit also if you're planning to make adventure maps 02:27 bwsrjr is there a folder in the user's directory (linux) that i can drop mods into? just don't want to put them system-wide 02:28 Menche bwrjr: if it's installed, not run in place, then ~/.minetest/mods/minetest 02:28 Oblivion1500 so obama signs an act to comend the 2nd amendment.. whats up with that noob 02:28 Menche bwsrjr: create the folders if they don't exist 02:28 Dogzilla131 kaeza: 2 types per fur block color 02:29 Menche Oblivion1500: didn't he sign like 23 or so? 02:29 Dogzilla131 6 color blocks 02:29 Dogzilla131 kaeza: 12 in total fur blocks 02:29 Uberi yeah the amendment makes corporations not people or something 02:29 Oblivion1500 im sure he did, thing is that just sucks first i found out Jesus himself named obama to be the anti christ than this 02:30 Uberi I'm personally reserving all judgement until I do some research 02:30 Menche well that just, uh, citation needed 02:31 Oblivion1500 what language did Jesus speek? 02:31 Menche Oblivion1500: likely Koine Greek 02:32 Uberi why, Penguin, of course 02:32 Oblivion1500 none 02:32 Oblivion1500 of those 02:32 Oblivion1500 really google it 02:32 Kacey he spoke gibberish lol 02:32 Uberi IF Fleet Common? 02:32 Menche Koine Greek was the language at the time 02:32 Uberi Elvish? 02:32 kaeza LOLspeak 02:32 Uberi I bet it would be cool if it was all in Envish 02:33 Oblivion1500 Aramaic n008's 02:33 Menche well, maybe latin, it was during the Roman occupation 02:33 mauvebic someone made my taskbar flash :/ 02:33 kaeza hi mauvebic 02:33 mauvebic howdy 02:33 Oblivion1500 hold on let me get something for everybody,, im sure you will like this 02:33 Menche Oblivion1500: i though aramaic was older 02:33 Menche like early OT 02:34 Menche Koine was what the NT was written in 02:35 * Menche needs to check his history 02:35 Oblivion1500 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgHUZXgNAWo 02:35 Menche of course the NT was written later, of course 02:35 Oblivion1500 watch that and be amazed 02:36 Oblivion1500 and if you dont beleave it translate it your self 02:38 mauvebic i thought the tabletop was peeling when i washed it but two seconds later it was fine :/ more coffee 02:41 Oblivion1500 everyone is bussy trying to figure out if that video is true? 02:42 Menche sry, can't watch it at the moment, i will 02:42 Oblivion1500 you will want too 02:43 Kacey haha it is true 02:44 Oblivion1500 told you, and also he admited himself he wasent born in the US wich is required if you want to be president.... 02:44 Menche true, he isn't qualified 02:46 Kacey i must go night aall 02:46 Kacey all, even 02:46 Menche bye 02:46 Oblivion1500 too late 02:46 Menche 1 instant too late... 02:46 mauvebic who isn't qualified? 02:47 Menche we were talking about obama, #minetest going offtopic yet again 02:47 mauvebic oh, well 02:47 mauvebic if you need more incompetent politicians, canada has a surplus 02:48 Menche he's not the antichrist, just a really poor leader 02:48 mauvebic the lesser of two evils tho lol 02:48 VanessaE the US already has a bumper crop of them 02:49 mauvebic if romney had been a bit more center-right he would have gotten it, but w/ paul ryan, lol forget it 02:49 * kaeza randomly pings brandyJewell 02:50 Oblivion1500 Menche: did you not see the video? 02:50 * VanessaE wonders just who brandyJewell is :) 02:50 Menche not yet 02:50 mauvebic in quebec we have technically a left wing party and a center-left party lol 02:50 Menche i was rooting for santorum, then he dropped out, then gingrich, then he dropped out, then romney, then he lost 02:50 mauvebic and various attempt at right-wing parties that dont last more than a decade 02:50 VanessaE mauvebic: here it's about the opposite. what we call "left" is more like "just right of center", and what we call "right" is "batshit insane." 02:51 kaeza VanessaE: Brandy is a new player to MT 02:51 kaeza \o/ 02:51 Menche nah, its the left who are batshit insane. us right people are sane 02:51 VanessaE cool :) 02:51 mauvebic you have to admit tho 02:51 kaeza well...not quite "new" 02:51 mauvebic ill take blowjobs in the whitehouse and a good economy over two wars and a depression any day 02:51 VanessaE Menche: you have a weird definition of "sane" and "insane" :-) 02:51 * Menche counts down to flamewar, maybe we should stop this 02:52 mauvebic if you look at the various stats, its the GOP thats driven the biggest deficits in the last 30 years 02:53 VanessaE yup 02:53 mauvebic raegans' tax cuts and subsequent increases exemplify that 02:53 Menche ya, like tax increases will help anything 02:53 mauvebic you guys already pay the least taxes of all industrialised nations and you still bitch? 02:54 VanessaE mauvebic: marketing. :-) 02:54 Menche imo, taking a mese pickaxe to entitlements will do the most to help the situation 02:54 mauvebic until you need old age pensions and healthcare, then youll vote dem 02:54 VanessaE Menche: fair warning - without entitlements, abe and I would be dead. 02:55 BackupCoder hey 02:55 mauvebic its not the entitlements that are killing you, its the gestapo at every airport, ferry and soon to be bus terminal thats costing a fortune 02:55 Menche why is the gov't in the insurance business anyway 02:55 VanessaE mauvebic: that's not the half of it. 02:56 mauvebic they callem VIPR squads i think 02:56 mauvebic papers please 02:56 VanessaE Menche: because it is impossible for a middle-class person to save up the ~2 million USD it takes to comfortably retire. 02:56 mauvebic im never going to retire lol 02:56 mauvebic unless you want me to pick out a box right now 02:56 Menche the entitlements are paid for by the next generation, they can't pay for themselves 02:57 mauvebic you pay now for old people today 02:57 mauvebic your kids will pay for you 02:57 mauvebic or other people's kids wtv 02:57 Menche would need to create money out of thin air for it to support itself 02:57 mauvebic printing money is nothing new 02:57 mauvebic lookup nixon shocks on wikipedia 02:57 mauvebic floating rate means money ain't backed by anything 02:58 mauvebic it could be worth a car today, and toilet paper tomorrow 02:58 VanessaE also bear in mind that entitlements e.g. SSA and Medicare, are not part of the general "spend like we're insane" fund. 02:58 mauvebic the cold war has been over for awhile but defense spending keeps going up 02:58 VanessaE you could completely eliminate both without making more than a tiny dent in the deficit. 02:58 VanessaE mauvebic: and therein lies the biggest problem - defense spending is what is killing us. 02:59 mauvebic well its also your biggest industry 02:59 VanessaE sadly, yeah 02:59 Menche entitlements are the largest area of spending 02:59 mauvebic so saving the budget means shooting yourself in the foot 02:59 VanessaE but I'd rather live with the prospect of a 1% larger unemployment rate for a while than having such a high deficit and not enough resources being spread around *inside* this country. 03:00 VanessaE Menche: entitlements are mostly spent from a separate fund, not from the general fund. 03:00 mauvebic whatever you think you save from cutting entitlements is money that ins't spent by old people, isn't spent in the health system either 03:00 Menche btw, is this the #politics channel? i was under the impression that it was #minetest 03:00 mauvebic poor and old people don't hold onto their entitlement money like rich people hold onto their money 03:00 mauvebic they dont get enough to save 03:00 mauvebic it all goes back into the economy 03:01 VanessaE mauvebic: exactly. My husband and I are both disabled. We have to live on about US $2000/month. We do okay but are far from ideal. 03:01 mauvebic if you think cutting taxes for the rich is going to convince them te repoen factories that are cheaper to operate in china, you're already on the moon lol 03:02 VanessaE fuck no it ain't. 03:02 mauvebic you know what corporate america grew out of? the middle class, their savings and investments for retirement 03:02 VanessaE all "the rich" will do is hoard more of their money. 03:02 Menche if you took all the money away from "the rich", the impact on anything would be barely visible 03:02 VanessaE (if you cut taxes) 03:03 VanessaE I say tax the shit out of the rich, like we used to do about 30 years ago. 03:03 mauvebic look at it this way, you could pay clinton-era taxes, and try to recreate the clinton-era prosperity 03:04 mauvebic those times weren't so bad lol 03:04 VanessaE you wanna get stinking rich on the backs of others in this country? you should have to pay put some of that *back* into the pot. 03:04 mauvebic labour unions need to become transnational as are our paymasters 03:04 mauvebic end this race to the bottom 03:04 Menche who is to say how much money someone needs? 03:04 mauvebic you know what welfare is here? 03:05 mauvebic 460$/mo 03:05 Menche saying "the rich" only need so much is dumb 03:05 mauvebic average rent is 700$ + 03:05 Menche the economy sucks, yes. but tax hikes won't help anything 03:05 mauvebic the problem is the rich think they themselves are solely responsible for their wealth 03:06 VanessaE Menche: then how much, exactly, does a person need to truly live life to the fullest? 03:06 VanessaE a billion? 10? 100? 03:06 mauvebic but they stand on the shoulders of giant organizations making things happen with or without a CEO 03:06 VanessaE after you get beyond a certain point, the extra money becomes obscene, not useful. 03:06 mauvebic you know taxes are too low when the money isn't being put to any use at all 03:06 VanessaE yup 03:07 mauvebic investment used to be a way to avoid taxes 03:07 mauvebic with taxes so low why would anyone be so motivated to invest now 03:07 Menche so, you should cede all money you don't use? 03:07 VanessaE it still is. investments in the form of capital gains is 15%, versus some 40% for straight income tax. 03:08 mauvebic no, companies should stop sitting on money 03:08 VanessaE Menche: of course not, but you *should* cede enough money to actually help the country 03:08 mauvebic you bailed them out more than they're worth its time they put it to work 03:08 VanessaE it's called being a civilized human being. 03:08 Menche imho, everyone should have the same % tax 03:08 VanessaE I agree 03:09 mauvebic pretty soon you're gonna have star-trekesque Sanctuary Districts for the unemployable 03:09 VanessaE make it 20% across the board, on any and all forms of income. 03:09 VanessaE the poor will pay less, the middle class about the same as now, and the rich end up paying more 03:09 Menche and no loopholes and crap, the current code is freakishly complex 03:09 VanessaE and everyone's happy. 03:09 Uberi|Away look, can we just agree that everybody's insane? 03:09 VanessaE (except the rich ;) ) 03:09 mauvebic well i dont agree with a flat tax but thats another matter 03:09 Menche flat tax == fair tax 03:10 VanessaE flat tax in all forms of income, and progressive tax for stuff like property 03:10 VanessaE (the more it's worth and the more you make, the more you pay) 03:10 Menche well, actually, the gov't gives more services to the poor, so it would be fair for the poor to have higher taxes 03:10 mauvebic 20% of a 500$ weekly paycheck means alot more to the poor person than the rich who gets to keep 4 out of 5 million 03:10 erlehmann are you all murrikans? 03:10 mauvebic more services to the poor? 03:11 mauvebic are you nuts? 03:11 Menche erlehmann, yes. aren't we friendly and agreeable? lol 03:11 VanessaE erlehmann: actually mauvebic is a canuck 03:11 VanessaE :) 03:11 Uberi hey fellow canuck o/ 03:11 mauvebic most government agencies are there to provide services to industry, not the poor lol 03:11 mauvebic the roads, ports, airports for freight 03:11 mauvebic research grants 03:12 erlehmann my ex girlfriend was an american. she was relieved when osama bin laden was murdered. 03:12 VanessaE and the poor are the ones who get saddled with most of the tax burden now - seeing how there's a hell of a lot more poor than there are any other class. 03:12 erlehmann err, „felt better“ 03:12 erlehmann she felt relieved? 03:12 erlehmann i cannot into englishing! 03:13 mauvebic most of what government does, is for industry 03:13 Uberi VanessaE: solidarity! unity! liberty! 03:13 mauvebic welfare is a tiny-ass fraction of the budget, but its all the GOP wants to talk about lol 03:13 erlehmann FOR FREEDOM AND LOLIS! 03:13 Menche where is the #minetest channel? i must have stumbled on #politics 03:13 erlehmann dunno. 03:13 VanessaE mauvebic: of course. it's all about scaring people. 03:13 erlehmann why are you talking politics? 03:13 erlehmann don't you have a cellular automaton to program? 03:13 mauvebic because some people dont know their history :p 03:13 Menche i actually forget who started it 03:14 Menche todays logs should be interesting 03:14 VanessaE "You get a bunch of middle-aged, middle-class, middle-income voters and you tell talk to them about an easier time, and say THAT person is to blame for your lot in life." 03:14 Menche oh, oblivion said obama is the antichrist 03:14 Menche and posted a video to "prove" it 03:14 erlehmann oh well 03:14 VanessaE (and I blew the quote, but good enough) 03:14 mauvebic well its all about identity politics now (divide and conquer) 03:14 Menche then it all went from there 03:14 erlehmann mauvebic, you are so clever. 03:14 erlehmann OBAMA IS THE BLACK JESUS 03:15 Uberi O_o 03:15 erlehmann (let me go eat soup while all of you rage on) 03:15 mauvebic so long as the people blame eachother for their miseries they dont look at the companies, the titans, the officials 03:15 VanessaE why does anyone even talk about the president when it's the legislative branch that's supposed to be the ones doing all the hard work anyway? 03:15 mauvebic erlehmann you sound like markv or neko 03:17 Uberi VanessaE: the judicial branch! we need to fix that! 03:17 VanessaE heh 03:17 Menche *checks title* yep, still on #minetest 03:17 erlehmann miniseries. the world is miniseries. 03:18 mauvebic actually i find the world repeats itself 03:18 erlehmann VanessaE, the president has these flying killer robots. 03:18 VanessaE I thought the world was just a simulation... 03:18 mauvebic alot 03:18 mauvebic like doctor who lol 03:18 * Menche has hacked real-life fly privs 03:18 mauvebic from the great recession to new imperialism to the next depression and the world wars 03:18 erlehmann go read richard stallmans political notes for more discussion material http://www.stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html 03:18 Uberi oh neat erlehmann 03:19 erlehmann stallman is actually a very reasonable philosopher 03:19 * Menche thinks stallman is too radical 03:19 erlehmann not the raving maniac he is made out to be by some [danger weasel word] 03:19 mauvebic i thought i read somewhere that RMS was a douche 03:19 erlehmann Menche, why? 03:19 Menche mainly about software, i don't always agree with him 03:20 erlehmann Menche, where do you not agree? 03:20 * Menche is about to get in trouble for not doing enough research 03:20 erlehmann if you did not do the research, refrain from assertions 03:20 Menche doesn't he think proprietary software is immoral? 03:21 mauvebic but isn't he another has-been like lamo? 03:21 Uberi well RMS states his mind, and I can respect that 03:21 Uberi mauvebic: hey lamo is a pretty cool dude :P 03:21 mauvebic he's a junky and a snitch 03:22 * Menche is still wondering what happened to #minetest 03:22 mauvebic they guy performed a few low level hacks and always went running to poulson to publicise the event lol 03:23 mauvebic i think he saw snitching as his last chance for media spotlight 03:23 erlehmann Menche, software controls the world. proprietary software prevents people using their own property as they see fit. 03:23 mauvebic there is room for both types of software 03:23 mauvebic you dont really want your government opensourcing all your military shit right? 03:24 Menche still, the developer should choose the terms under which he releases his software 03:24 erlehmann Menche, I got a raspberry pi for christmas and immediately gave it back. why? because the proprietary GPU driver will not decode MPEG-2, unless you pay ransom to MPEG guys. 03:24 erlehmann Menche, is it a better world in which all software is free? i would say yes. 03:24 erlehmann I am also in favor of open sourcing all military shit :3 03:25 Uberi YES 03:25 mauvebic opensource military software = cheap vacation destination in 10 yrs lol 03:25 erlehmann once, in university, i asked the professor how his program worked. 03:25 erlehmann and he was like “you'll never understand, ima gonna give you only the binary not the source code” 03:25 erlehmann i left that university. in fact, i left that city, munich. 03:25 Uberi that would never fly today, I hope 03:25 erlehmann :3 03:26 erlehmann it was in 2007. 03:26 Uberi hey erlehmann I was born there 03:26 erlehmann Uberi, i live in berlin now. 03:26 Uberi sweet 03:26 erlehmann Uberi, where do you live? 03:26 Uberi southern Ontario, Canada, erlehmann 03:27 mauvebic cool im from markham 03:27 erlehmann Uberi, enjoy your french! 03:27 Uberi whoa really? 03:27 mauvebic french? 03:27 mauvebic lol 03:27 * kaeza lives in Uruguay 03:27 mauvebic im the french one 03:27 erlehmann it is /int/ here 03:27 erlehmann OPPAN MINETEST STYLE 03:28 mauvebic canada has the best 420 (what else you gonna do in winter? lol) 03:29 erlehmann http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture) 03:29 Menche there's a forum thread about what you like on your burger, lol 03:29 erlehmann intredasting 03:29 erlehmann Menche, where is it? 03:29 erlehmann I PROPOSE making forum.minetest.net an imageboard 03:29 mauvebic cannabis is cheaper than alcohol here lol 03:30 Menche http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4472 03:31 mauvebic the only time i went to the states i asked why none of the bottles had proof on them, and they said "oh yeah you canadians like to drink!" lol 03:33 mauvebic though it was hard to guess how strong something was from the labels i knew nothing of lol 03:34 * Menche might have found a property mod he actually likes 03:35 Menche 0gb.us' land claim looks pretty good 03:35 Menche will have to try it 03:35 mauvebic it works per chunk i think 03:35 Menche hmm 03:35 mauvebic which should be better for populous servers 03:36 mauvebic though it could be PITA to setup for prexisting map with already zones 03:37 mauvebic though you could prolly write a simple python script to guesstimate from the current protection zones what the new scheme would look like 03:37 Menche i'll have a closer look 03:37 mauvebic i was thinking of using it for buying land 03:37 Menche was thinking of using node metadata to store owner info, thoughts on that? 03:38 mauvebic that means fetching meta for every attempt to dig 03:38 mauvebic though chunk-based protection: you can deduce from the pos you already have 03:38 Menche as opposed to the node_ownership way of scanning through an array for every area? 03:39 mauvebic exactly 03:39 mauvebic its like 1:10 processes (and im being generous lol) 03:39 mauvebic cuz you have to check your pos against every entry in the array 03:39 mauvebic and if you have co-ownership, you then match each name in the list 03:40 mauvebic gets exponantial pretty fast 03:40 Menche would fetching the metadata be more or less work than the node_ownership way? 03:40 Menche i think faster, especially for a ton of areas 03:40 mauvebic well with meta you only need the zones for placing nodes 03:41 sokomine for large servers i still think node_ownership has to be the most efficient. it's astonishing that the protector mod works at all (though that is more user-friendly) 03:41 mauvebic so a mix might be: chunk based node placement, and meta-based node protect 03:42 mauvebic there are plenty of ways to do it and none of them are perfect 03:42 sokomine (that is, most of the time. unless the users battle over who gets which area...but those social problems may occour no matter what's the technical method) 03:42 mauvebic you can't guess what other mods will do regardless of your node protection 03:42 Menche the protector mod scans the area looking for a protecor block 03:42 mauvebic seems like more overhead 03:42 erlehmann look, proprietary software limiting what people can do with *their* property http://raphaelwimmer.wordpress.com/2010/09/13/emotiv-epoc-brain-computer-interface-cracked-open/ 03:43 erlehmann > We strongly oppose this kind of action. It violates the end user license and seriously threatens our viability. It is no exaggeration to say we may be forced to withdraw the consumer headset from the market or go out of business entirely. 03:43 sokomine hm, no, the list is more or less linear i'd say. just because some ownerships are technically subownerships doesn't really change complexity 03:43 erlehmann „if you make something we not approve, we will go out of business“ 03:43 erlehmann harr harr 03:44 Menche if you loop through a large area adding or removing metadata, will the metadata be reliably added/removed? 03:44 mauvebic ah shit 03:44 mauvebic meta cant really work 03:45 mauvebic look at pipeworks (example) 03:45 mauvebic on pipes are regularly changed for off pipes 03:45 TheZenKitteh ahoy hoy 03:45 Menche i notice that with mesecons, somethimes switching on/off "misses" 03:45 mauvebic any mod that changes nodes, you'll lose your metas 03:45 mauvebic unless you can account for each case 03:45 sokomine 0gb.us used a diffrent method imho. last time i looked he stored ownership information in a local table in the mod and was just planning/considering using metadata. but i may remember wrong 03:45 kaeza back 03:45 kaeza cr*p 03:46 kaeza I cannot connect from Ubuntu somehow 03:46 Menche ok, meta is probably not the best 03:46 kaeza must be my b*tchy ISP 03:46 sokomine ah, you meant for individual blocks? that might be intresting as well....would be great to know who placed which block (or if it occured naturally) 03:46 mauvebic trying to meta-protect pipeworks would never work 03:46 mauvebic it would have to be zone/grid/chunk based 03:47 sokomine apart from those self-changing nodes - wouldn't the name of the owner blow up metadata too much? 03:47 Menche i'll probably go with the node_ownership method. 03:47 mauvebic not really 03:47 Menche ya, is there a limit to metadata? 03:47 mauvebic not compared to how many metas i use for some mods lol 03:48 sokomine :-) yes. one might be worse off with players placing rows of chests 03:48 mauvebic dunno, is it a TEXT field in sql? 03:49 erlehmann regarding proprietary software, “what incentive is there to buy a research edition if you can hack the 300$ version to do everything the 750$ version does?” 03:49 erlehmann hehe 03:49 sokomine storing the player who placed the node might still be intresting. you could blocks placed by another user be un-diggable for newcommers to your server 03:49 Menche mauvebic, didn't you come up wtih something like that? stores the placer's name? 03:49 mauvebic yeah someone made a mod out of it 03:50 mauvebic i lost all my original work when the other drive died on the P4 (it had everything lol) 03:50 sokomine iirc the whole node-data is somehow compressed and stored as a compressed binary datavalue 03:50 * Menche wishes there was a way to simply do away with jerks 03:50 mauvebic thats how i wound up rewriting large swathes of my old mods lol 03:50 Menche that would be the *best* grief protection 03:51 mauvebic jerks ingame? 03:51 mauvebic i suggested a year ago collecting stats 03:51 mauvebic an dealing with players with sketchy stats 03:52 mauvebic someone who places alot of lava/water in a short amount of time should be tempbanned by the mod 03:52 Menche there was a project to make a collaborative blacklist 03:52 sokomine hm. but stats don't work reliable. there is no way to decide weather the player just randomly spammed nodes around or weather he did build a good structure 03:52 mauvebic and you add more cases 03:53 mauvebic well stats tell you if someone is just diggin 99% of the time and theyre not default (resource) nodes 03:53 mauvebic imo non natural nodes should simply be undiggable for all but the owner and admins 03:53 kaeza frack 03:54 mauvebic think about it 03:54 mauvebic anyone can dig dirt in a field 03:54 kaeza this modem of mine does not want me on teh internetz 03:54 mauvebic but you dont walk down a street and steal a pile of bricks easily 03:55 mauvebic and when buildings are destroyed you dont end up with the same amount of pristine materials ready to build something else 03:55 Menche you can't break the pile of bricks as fast as you can in mt, and you can't hide tons of said bricks in your inventory irl 03:56 mauvebic well is there any legitimate reason for all nodes to be diggable by anyone? 03:56 mauvebic default yeah ok 03:56 mauvebic you need resources to craft things 03:56 mauvebic but nodes you build shit with, should be protected 03:57 sokomine one further advantage would be that you could pick up nodes placed by you again faster. a recently mis-placed block takes the same time to dig as a fresh one :-( 03:57 Menche mabye using the every-block-you-place-is-yours kind of node ownership, and relying on moderators to remove spammed blocks 03:57 NakedFury I can see 2 protection types: the classic area protection and block protection or making it harder for other players to take your stuff. 03:57 Menche *mabye 03:57 Menche *maybe 03:57 Menche darn, misspelled it twice 03:58 mauvebic you could even split the map in two between protected and open 03:58 mauvebic though i dont see many people wanting to build in the open 03:58 kaeza Menche: siht hapepns 03:58 sokomine hm, rather every-block-you-place-is-yours as a start for new players. it might soon become insufficient if several players build on the same building 03:59 Menche sokomine: yeah thats a problem. maybe each player can have a "trusted" list? 03:59 sokomine i still don't get entirely why glowstone is stolen so frequently on redcrabs server :-( 03:59 Menche but for fine-grained control of who you trust where, you need area protection 03:59 sokomine yes, that would be a solution. and moderators beeing able to dig anything 03:59 Menche probably 04:00 mauvebic assigning entire chunks to groups or players would work out best then 04:00 Menche whatever method is used, moderator intervention/supervision is a must 04:00 mauvebic you wouldn't need to check for overlap 04:01 Menche mauvebic: yes, anyone remember jachoo's fork? it worked like that, it was really easy 04:01 sokomine or - maybe better - if the player has built for some time and gains an additional priv, the player can then remove blocks placed by others, but those get logged. this would greatly reduce the amount of blocks that need logging - since your miner which collects chests full of stacks with cobble doesn't spam with logfile entries 04:01 Menche the problem is, if you want to build your house on that small hill, and the hill doesn't line up with the chunk boundaries, you need to claim land you may not use 04:02 Menche s/chunk/mapblock 04:04 NakedFury a chunk protection mod also needs to include a map so you can see chunks 04:04 kaeza I'm getting tired of this... o_o 04:09 VanessaE bbl, bedtime 04:09 VanessaE night all 04:09 Menche bye 04:09 kaeza night V 04:09 Menche really my bedtime too... 04:09 Menche maybe a few minutes more... 04:09 kaeza out so soon? 04:09 kaeza it's only 1:09 here 04:10 NakedFury 12.10 04:10 Menche 8:10 04:10 kaeza O.o 04:10 NakedFury what?! 04:11 kaeza brb, trying to switch to linux again 04:13 kaeza1 back 04:16 kaeza back 04:16 kaeza anyone there? 04:16 NakedFury me 04:16 Menche me 04:17 kaeza oh lol 04:17 kaeza sowwy 04:17 kaeza my IRC client was misbehaving 04:17 Menche the channel suddenly went quiet for a minute 04:21 grondilu_ do u guys know about oculus rift? If not check it out. It's a virtual reality headset and it's very cool. 04:24 Menche anyone know where default:cloud came from? 04:24 NakedFury soource? 04:24 Menche ? 04:26 kaeza 1..2..3..testing 04:26 Menche someone asked on the forum what it is, im curious too 04:26 Menche don't remember clouds ever being made of it 04:26 NakedFury what do you mean? 04:26 Menche the node default:cloud 04:27 Menche its a plain white, indestructible node 04:27 Menche can't be obtained naturally 04:27 NakedFury never seen it but everything in the game is blocks 04:27 NakedFury we also have air 04:27 Menche well yeah, but clouds aren't made of default:cloud 04:31 NakedFury well need to brainstorm ideas and stuff for minetest 04:31 NakedFury and dammit this headphones really hurt my ears 04:31 Menche kaeza: connection problems? 04:32 kaeza Menceh yeah... :/ 04:32 kaeza Menche* 04:32 kaeza dunno why modem randomly drops connection :/ 04:33 NakedFury time for a new one? 04:33 OldCoder Back 04:33 kaeza wb OldCoder 04:33 kaeza NakedFury: yeah...right... 04:34 OldCoder kaeza, and thanks! 04:39 jojoa1997 kaeza you there 04:40 kaeza ... 04:40 kaeza yeah 04:40 kaeza y? 04:40 jojoa1997 go here http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4470 04:40 jojoa1997 see my post 04:42 jojoa1997 you read it? 04:45 jojoa1997 kaeza before you quit again did you read it 04:45 kaeza yes 04:45 kaeza I'm having some network problems 04:46 Infinity_69 hi 04:46 kaeza so I'll just quit for the night 04:46 Infinity_69 sup 04:46 Infinity_69 kaeza 04:46 kaeza see you tomorrow 04:46 Infinity_69 can you do me a favour 04:46 Infinity_69 WAIT 04:46 Infinity_69 please 04:46 jojoa1997 cya im going to bed too 04:46 kaeza Infinity_69: nope 04:46 kaeza sowwy 04:46 kaeza will have to wait 04:46 Infinity_69 oh ok :/ 04:46 Infinity_69 ok :( 04:46 Infinity_69 Freefull 04:46 jojoa1997 kaeza i just wanted you to know that the topic was fine 04:46 Infinity_69 can you do me a favour 04:47 Infinity_69 jojoa 04:47 kaeza jojoa1997: OK, fine with me 04:47 Infinity_69 can you do me a favour? 04:47 kaeza I thought that guy was stealing your work loll 04:47 jojoa1997 yeah i see your concern with 04:47 Infinity_69 kaeza 04:47 Infinity_69 im almost done 04:48 Infinity_69 can you register on my forum? 04:48 Infinity_69 http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/forum 04:48 Infinity_69 not done yet :/ 04:48 Infinity_69 extracting 04:48 jojoa1997 chase programmer doing that also but likwid is smart chase isnt 04:48 kaeza Infinity_69: later 04:48 kaeza wait a bit plz 04:48 jojoa1997 cant register on any more forums good night yall 04:49 Infinity_69 okay... 04:49 Infinity_69 jojoa, you too? 04:49 Infinity_69 srsly? 04:49 Infinity_69 cmon, please 04:49 kaeza night everyone 04:49 Infinity_69 night 04:49 * jojoa1997 zzzzzzzzz 04:49 * Infinity_69 hates jojoa1997 04:50 Infinity_69 anybody here? 04:50 Menche me, but i'll be leaving in a bit 04:50 Infinity_69 wait! 04:50 Menche maybe 10 more mins 04:50 Infinity_69 can you please register on my forum? 04:50 Menche ? 04:51 Infinity_69 ok, you dont have to :/ 04:51 Infinity_69 its lagging 04:51 Menche is the forum running? it appears to be an empty folder 04:51 Infinity_69 net2ftp i mean 04:51 Infinity_69 yes... 04:51 Infinity_69 still extracting -.- 04:51 Infinity_69 a 2.5mb archive 04:51 Infinity_69 wait 04:52 Infinity_69 doing fireFTP 04:52 Serverket hello 04:53 Serverket anyone here? 04:53 Menche me 04:53 Serverket hey 04:53 Serverket do you know some about minetest? 04:53 Menche yeah, i play it alot, what? 04:53 Serverket I want to make a server, you know, for playing with friends, is that possible? 04:53 Menche yes 04:54 Menche are you all on the same network, or do you have to connect via internet? 04:54 Infinity_69 Serveket 04:54 Infinity_69 i can help you 04:54 Infinity_69 under 1 condition 04:55 Serverket okay? 04:55 Infinity_69 you register on my forum... 04:55 Serverket we are not in the same net 04:55 Infinity_69 in about 5-15 minutes -.- 04:55 Infinity_69 ftp lag >;/ 04:55 Menche err, there are better ways to get users, Infinity_69 04:55 Infinity_69 how? 04:55 Infinity_69 yesterday i told everybody here to please register, nobody did >:/ 04:55 Menche well, tell why they should 04:56 Infinity_69 ok :D 04:56 Menche add features they want 04:56 Infinity_69 because if they have a server, it will be viewed on the ./servers page 04:56 Infinity_69 they can start a clan/team/guild 04:56 Menche Serverket: its more compicated over the Internet, you can port-forward or use a vpn 04:56 Serverket I'm on the main menu and so I start the "Start Game / Connect", should I modify values on those fields before start, right? 04:56 Infinity_69 Menche 04:57 Infinity_69 ive never used VPN but i have something installed here... 04:57 Infinity_69 on my ubuntu 04:57 Menche Infinity_69: i see a new folder but the forum isn't running 04:57 Serverket I see 04:57 Menche Serverket: your on the "advanced" tab? 04:57 Serverket so, it could work better if I use my internet as a hotspot? 04:57 Infinity_69 so if i make a VPN connection and others join that connection, they can play on it? 04:57 Menche yes 04:58 Infinity_69 oh :d 04:58 Infinity_69 and that doesnt need p-forwarding? 04:58 Serverket no, just started the game and see the fields... name, address.. 04:58 Menche what version are you using? 04:58 Infinity_69 Menche 04:58 Infinity_69 me? 04:58 Infinity_69 12.10 04:58 kaeza forum moderatore: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4474 04:58 Infinity_69 im 28% done with the deleting 04:58 Infinity_69 hi 04:58 Menche Serverket: what version of minetest do you have? it should be in the top left corner 04:58 kaeza moderators* 04:59 Serverket c-55 04:59 Menche what number? 0.3 or 0.4? 05:00 Menche if you see name and address on the main screen its probably 0.3 05:00 Serverket 0.3.1 05:00 Infinity_69 o.m.g. 05:00 Infinity_69 look at this 05:00 Infinity_69 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4467 05:00 Menche kaeza: you use the "report" button? 05:00 Infinity_69 SO MANY GOOD ANSWERS :) 05:00 kaeza Menche: I find it faster to report it here 05:00 kaeza but will do it 05:01 Infinity_69 and 77.78% of the voters want the same thing i did :D 05:01 Infinity_69 even you, kaeza 05:01 Menche Serverket: 0.3 isn't used much now, 0.4 is recommended 05:01 Menche 0.3 doesn't have mods 05:01 Infinity_69 0.3.4 05:01 Infinity_69 ? 05:01 Menche where did you download it from? 05:01 Infinity_69 dont you mean 0.4.3? 05:01 Infinity_69 or even worse? 05:01 kaeza Menche: reported :) 05:01 Infinity_69 maybe from the ubuntu sw center 05:01 Serverket from Synaptic 05:01 Infinity_69 menche 05:02 Infinity_69 oh...idk that 05:02 Menche Infinity_69: what? 05:02 Menche Serverket: those are out of date 05:02 Serverket oh 05:02 Infinity_69 i thought that maybe he downloaded it from the ubuntu sw center :/ 05:02 Infinity_69 server 05:02 Infinity_69 what os do you use? 05:02 Infinity_69 ubuntu? 05:02 Infinity_69 windows? 05:02 Serverket Debian 05:02 Infinity_69 mac? 05:02 Infinity_69 oh 05:02 Infinity_69 then you can compile it 05:03 Infinity_69 i will help you 05:03 Menche there's ubuntu ppa's 05:03 Infinity_69 pm me 05:03 Menche may or may not work on debian 05:03 Infinity_69 well its possible to compile it :/ 05:03 Menche but yeah, the recommended way to get the latest on linux is to compile 05:03 Infinity_69 and ill help him 05:03 Menche you know how to use git? 05:04 Infinity_69 yes 05:04 Serverket look, my friend and I have the same version, I just need to know how could I make the multiplayer gaming with this version. As you say it's out of date but I don't consider compiling because I'm not that good, yet. 05:04 Menche ok 05:04 Infinity_69 thats why ill help you! 05:04 Infinity_69 go to pm 05:05 Menche just leave the ip field blank 05:05 Serverket what is pm? 05:05 Menche then starting a game will launch a local server 05:05 Infinity_69 type /query Infinity_69 05:06 Serverket there is a field wih "30000" 05:06 Serverket do I erase that? 05:06 Menche no 05:06 Infinity_69 no 05:06 Infinity_69 thats the port 05:06 Serverket ok 05:06 Infinity_69 go back to PM! 05:07 kaeza Menche: we should change the clouds to cotton :) 05:07 Menche ya 05:07 Serverket done 05:07 Serverket I started the local 05:08 Menche Serverket: next, either port-forward or vpn 05:08 Menche vpn is easier but everyone needs the vpn software 05:09 * Infinity_69 LOLz at kaeza 05:09 kaeza ? 05:09 Serverket vpn? 05:09 Serverket I don't know about it 05:09 kaeza let's see if it stays connected this time 05:10 Menche virtual private network, it allows your friend to access your computer 05:10 Serverket it doesn't sound safe 05:10 Serverket ok, so, if I create that 05:10 Infinity_69 lol 05:10 Serverket just creating it will work? 05:10 Infinity_69 Wine windows keep opening :D 05:11 Menche they need the software also, it will be like their on your network 05:12 Menche remobo was a common vpn used with minetest 05:12 Serverket I found an option on kde about creating vpns 05:12 Serverket I see 05:12 Serverket searching... 05:12 Menche about safety... do you trust the other player? it will be like they're on your network 05:12 Serverket Do I need that software installed on both computers? 05:12 Menche its encrypted so nobody else will be able to eavesdrop 05:13 Menche yes, your friend needs it too 05:13 Serverket I see 05:13 Serverket sounds reasonnably 05:14 Menche you have to add him on remobo, then when both of you are connected to remobo, he can connect to you 05:14 Serverket how? 05:14 Serverket by the game, I mean 05:14 Menche when you both are on remobo, the remobo window will show his computer 05:15 Menche when you mouse over his computer on the list, the tooltip will give an ip 05:15 Menche that is his ip 05:15 Menche and the port will be 30000 if you don't change it 05:17 Menche one of you starts a game with the ip field empty, and the other uses his ip. 05:17 Serverket his or mine? 05:17 Serverket I mean 05:17 Serverket I start with that field empty 05:17 Menche yes, then your friend connects to your ip 05:17 Serverket he starts filling it with my ip 05:17 Menche yes 05:17 Serverket go it 05:18 Serverket is that all? 05:18 Menche yes 05:18 Serverket could I connect many people to same game? 05:18 Serverket I mean... many 05:18 Serverket like 5 or 20 05:18 Menche yes, they all have to be on your remobo. for many players, it is more practical to port forward rather than use remobo 05:19 Serverket well, maybe the answer is if my internet can with that I can 05:19 Serverket what is port forward? 05:19 Serverket and sorry for making many questions 05:19 Menche you tell the router to take any connections to a certain port and forward them to your computer 05:20 Menche everybody asks about port-forwarding; unfortunately it's different for every router, so its hard to explain 05:20 Menche but it's the preferred way to host an online server 05:21 Serverket it doesn't sound safe 05:21 Serverket I see 05:21 Menche well, anyone could then connect to that port, yes, but only that port 05:22 Menche if you trust all the other players, a vpn is technically safer, as all communication is encrypted 05:22 Menche nobody you don't authorize can connect to you on a vpn 05:23 Serverket I like that 05:23 Menche i'm not a security expert, but I don't *think* theres that much risk in forwarding one port 05:24 Menche but a vpn is easier if its just a few friends 05:24 Menche anyway, both of you connect to remobo -> one of you adds the other on remobo -> one of you starts a game with a blank ip -> the other connects to his ip 05:24 Menche and thats it 05:25 Serverket sounds really easy 05:25 Menche yeah 05:26 Menche hamachi is another popular vpn choice, but I don't know much about it 05:26 Infinity_69 hi neko 05:26 Infinity_69 :D 05:26 Infinity_69 wait... 05:26 Infinity_69 your not Ken! 05:27 Serverket I did use that before, didn't work. 05:27 Serverket hamachi, not for minetest but I tried with a lot of games 05:27 Menche its more advanced, and sometimes had lag problems 05:27 Menche remobo used to be popular for minetest servers, but its not used much anymore 05:28 Menche i guess enough people port-forward, and for a public server thats more convenient than remobo 05:29 Menche so thats it, but note that if you use 0.3.1 you won't be able to install mods 05:29 Menche and most texture packs don't have 0.3.1 versions anymore 05:29 Serverket yes, should be, but this is more like a two or three playing the game, for now. 05:29 Serverket I see 05:30 Menche on the other hand, 0.3.1 is faster and has mobs and dungeons 05:30 kaeza Infinity_69, http://troll.me/images2/grammar-correction-guy/-youre-thumb.jpg 05:30 Menche and jungles 05:30 Infinity_69 what?! 05:30 * Infinity_69 is confused 05:30 kaeza your not Ken! 05:30 Menche confused about what? 05:30 Infinity_69 nvm 05:31 Infinity_69 well neko259 isnt Ken 05:31 Infinity_69 aka Pool, Go Ken! 05:31 kaeza gratuitious ping 05:31 Serverket well, my friends think is funny enough even without mod, I've showed them how much you can do by making a labyrinth 05:32 Infinity_69 ok :/ 05:32 Infinity_69 kaeza 05:32 Infinity_69 Y U LIE 05:32 Infinity_69 U NO GO 2 SLEEP! 05:32 Infinity_69 NOW U HAV 2 REGISTER ON MAH FORUMz 05:33 Menche the forums which are not up yet 05:33 Menche you added a bunch of folders, but its not running 05:33 Infinity_69 yes 05:33 Infinity_69 10% left 05:33 kaeza Infinity_69, http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/how-about-no-bear-meme.jpg 05:33 Infinity_69 ~200 files left 05:33 Serverket well 05:33 Infinity_69 stop doing that 05:33 Infinity_69 serverket 05:34 Infinity_69 can you register on it? 05:34 Infinity_69 please 05:34 Menche stop doing what? 05:34 Menche and i can't exactly register if it isn't up yet 05:34 Infinity_69 not u 05:34 Infinity_69 yes i know 05:34 Infinity_69 but i mean kaeza 05:34 Infinity_69 she's just trolling me 05:34 * Infinity_69 feels trolled 05:34 Infinity_69 ~30 files left 05:34 Infinity_69 5% left 05:35 Serverket Thank you all for helping, I have to go know, I was really nice, I will come again to know how make a web server and share with you my map, have a good day/night, Good bless you. 05:35 kaeza see you Serverket 05:35 Menche bye, ask on the forums if you need more help 05:35 Infinity_69 Database server hostname or DSN: 05:35 Infinity_69 what do i type there? 05:35 * Menche has to go now 05:35 Serverket thanks 05:35 Infinity_69 oh man 05:35 kaeza cya Menche 05:36 Infinity_69 kaeza 05:36 Infinity_69 Database server hostname or DSN: 05:36 Infinity_69 what there 05:36 kaeza Infinity_69, no idea 05:36 Infinity_69 ok :/ 05:36 Infinity_69 guess ill leave it empty 05:40 kaeza she's just trolling me 05:40 kaeza O.o 05:40 kaeza SHE?? 05:40 kaeza who told you I'm a woman? O.o 05:41 Infinity_69 o.m.g 05:41 Infinity_69 wait... 05:41 Infinity_69 umm... i thought :D 05:41 kaeza lol 05:41 kaeza :D 05:44 Infinity_69 kaeza 05:44 * Infinity_69 is on 1 knee 05:45 Infinity_69 will you marry me? 05:45 * Infinity_69 makes puppy eyes 05:45 kaeza dafrack? 05:46 * Infinity_69 stands up, punches kaeza in the face and leaves with a troll face :D 05:46 kaeza http://kaeza.users.sf.net/ 05:46 kaeza Infinity_69, ^ 05:46 Infinity_69 you are ugly 05:46 Infinity_69 thats coming from a man, and that also means that you are not attractive to other men 05:46 kaeza thanks :D you too 05:47 Infinity_69 you never saw me! 05:47 Infinity_69 http://www.rate.ee/users/askleptios 05:47 Infinity_69 this is me! 05:47 Infinity_69 xD 05:47 Infinity_69 g2g in 3 minutes 05:48 kaeza ...lol? 05:48 Infinity_69 wait a sec 05:48 Infinity_69 what? 05:48 kaeza o gawd u r ugly lol 05:48 Infinity_69 yes, i know im 13... -.- 05:48 kaeza J/K 05:48 Infinity_69 thanks :D 05:48 Infinity_69 waitwhat?! 05:48 Infinity_69 im attractive to men?! 05:49 Infinity_69 ok bye 05:49 Infinity_69 kaeza 05:49 kaeza Infinity_69, you should be careful with giving personal info online 05:50 Infinity_69 just kidding xD 06:10 kaeza Calinou, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64211#p64211 06:10 kaeza and hi :) 06:24 kaeza correction: this is the best comment EVAR: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64172#p64172 06:38 Calinou lol 06:39 VanessaE bah, so much for sleeping. hi all 06:44 kaeza hi VanessaE 06:44 kaeza cannot sleep? lol 06:45 kaeza my mother always said that a good nice mug of hot milks helps 06:45 kaeza milk* 06:45 VanessaE nope, sleep won't come yet...and I took two melatonin tablets yet. 06:48 kaeza that shucks 06:48 VanessaE sucks, too. 06:57 kaeza hey TheZenKitteh 06:57 kaeza VanessaE, a big mallet helps too :) 06:57 VanessaE hah 06:59 TheZenKitteh hey everybody.. I got a first version of mod installer with repo support for windows ready 06:59 TheZenKitteh but oddly can't push it to git from puppy 06:59 TheZenKitteh so brb while I reboot into mint 06:59 kaeza TheZenKitteh, ? 06:59 kaeza how so? 06:59 kaeza dafuq? 07:04 TheZenKitteh anyone on windows willing to test? 07:05 TheZenKitteh I tested on xp and it seems to work. however documentation might could use some work 07:05 TheZenKitteh https://github.com/TheZenKitteh/minetest-windowsmodinstaller 07:05 TheZenKitteh as always read the readme 07:06 kaeza sargennto ? 07:06 VanessaE kaeza: maybe he likes cheese :-) 07:06 kaeza ...um...tonyka? 07:06 VanessaE might be 07:07 VanessaE in which case, welcome :-) 07:07 kaeza VanessaE, your joke is bad and you should feel bad 07:07 VanessaE aw come on, are you saying it was...cheesy? 07:07 VanessaE ;) 07:07 kaeza :P 07:07 VanessaE yeah I know, it wasn't a very gouda joke. 07:07 kaeza :D 07:08 VanessaE I must seem like a real muenster for making bad jokes. 07:08 TheZenKitteh lol hey vanessae 07:08 sargennto kaeza: was just checking the channel out.. came across this project just now 07:08 kaeza oh lol sorry 07:08 VanessaE hi sargennto, don't mind the jokes, we're only kidding :-) 07:08 TheZenKitteh hey sargennto 07:08 kaeza confused you with another user 07:08 sargennto VanessaE: np :) 07:09 kaeza welcome to the nicest channel in teh planetz 07:09 sargennto i like bad puns 07:09 VanessaE hah, if this is the nicest channel on the planet, I'd hate to see what you'd call the worst ;) 07:09 sargennto the cheese jokes i mean 07:09 kaeza lolol 07:09 VanessaE sargennto: I'm usually quick with a bad pun when I'm not too tired :D 07:09 kaeza VanessaE, #minec****? 07:10 VanessaE kaeza: watch your language! 07:10 VanessaE ;) 07:10 kaeza :P 07:10 VanessaE also, hi TheZenKitteh. :) 07:12 TheZenKitteh dang 07:12 TheZenKitteh seems the poll on the bash script mod installer is fairly evenly divided 07:12 TheZenKitteh 5 for tar.gz 5 for zip 4 for 7z and 2 for tar.bz2 07:12 TheZenKitteh lol 07:12 kaeza so is people opining about new mese :P 07:13 kaeza BTW +10000 for new MESE and +10000 for ZIP archives 07:14 kaeza +10000 *ALL* the things!! 07:14 kaeza lol 07:15 kaeza -1 for lua mobs 07:15 kaeza inb4 rage 07:17 * kaeza is making boring comments so VanessaE gets sleepy :) 07:17 kaeza (also: gratuitious ping) 07:17 VanessaE what, nothing for pipeworks? :) 07:17 TheZenKitteh http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64225#p64225 07:17 VanessaE (color-tagged mese sorting tubes) 07:18 kaeza VanessaE, an integer to represent my "+x" for pipeworks would need about 189749854891 bits 07:18 kaeza :) 07:18 VanessaE lol 08:11 Calinou 176,71GB for us, 189.74GB for HDD vendors 08:11 Calinou 176,7289489489894489489GB for AMD CPUs 08:12 VanessaE but of course, how else are they supposed to inflate their numbers? actually make stuff higher capacity!? 08:12 VanessaE what kind of crazy talk is that! 08:12 VanessaE :) 08:13 celeron55_ eh 08:13 celeron55_ how are they inflating any numbers by using the same scale, unchanged, for decades 08:13 Calinou that's OS faults for using decimal prefix, the standard is binary prefix 08:13 Calinou ...since 1998 08:14 celeron55_ G = 1 000 000 000, since SI 08:14 VanessaE celeron55_: duh, powers of two. 08:14 celeron55_ 2^10 does not make any sense in any way 08:14 VanessaE o.O 08:15 VanessaE all right, who are you and what did you do with celeron55? 08:15 celeron55_ it was only useful back in the day when computers were unable to divide by 1000 with reasonable speed 08:15 kaeza celeron55_, I got a 500GB drive recently 08:15 kaeza the *real* size was about 460 GB 08:15 celeron55_ it's about 30 years from that day 08:16 VanessaE the irony of your statements though, c55, is that we're rapidly moving toward solid-state storage, so powers-of-two are relevant again :) 08:16 celeron55_ kaeza: 460GiB 08:16 celeron55_ kaeza: = 500GB 08:16 celeron55_ actually 465, but whatever 08:16 Calinou err, no? 08:16 VanessaE oh no. 08:16 Calinou 460GB, 500GiB 08:16 VanessaE he didn't. 08:16 Calinou VanessaE: not all SSDs have powers of two sizes, blame TLC :3 08:17 Calinou eg. samsung SSDs are 120/240GB 08:17 VanessaE Calinou: the chips used therein surely do. 08:17 VanessaE my OCZ is 60GB though 08:17 Calinou they actually have 128GB, but 8GB is unusable 08:17 Calinou lol OCZ 08:17 Calinou (overprovisioning) 08:17 Calinou it's to increase its lifetime since samsung SSDs use triple layer cells == lower lifespan 08:18 VanessaE right. 08:18 Calinou you can write theorically 1000 times its capacitiy before it dies, but you usually write 2× more than you actually write, the firmware is not perfect and may use some other cells too 08:18 Calinou most MLC SSDs have 3000 write cycles, and back when SLC SSDs were still sold, they could reach up to 100 000 write cycles 08:19 Calinou but SLC is expensive, that's why it's no longer used 08:19 celeron55_ HDDs have free space for such too, and sometimes you can adjust it with special tools (if you want higher/lower reliability) 08:24 VanessaE I have to wonder about calinou's slc vs. mlc claims... 08:26 ruskie Other drawbacks of MLC NAND are lower write speeds, lower number of program-erase cycles and higher power consumption compared to SLC flash memory 08:27 ruskie The primary benefit of MLC flash memory is its lower cost per unit of storage due to the higher data density <-- that's basically the only benefit 08:34 Jordach hey all 08:34 Jordach hey all 08:34 Jordach (hexchat - quit being an ass right now) 08:35 TheZenKitteh howdy 08:35 Jordach hello rapheal 08:36 * TheZenKitteh looks around 08:36 TheZenKitteh how did you know my name 08:36 TheZenKitteh lol 08:36 * TheZenKitteh knows 08:37 Jordach because you made a forum post which linked to github.com/TheZenKitteh 08:37 TheZenKitteh to help end the war of the archive formats on the forum im doing some slight changes to the bash mod installer 08:37 TheZenKitteh im adding another packmod script to pack to zip 08:37 TheZenKitteh the installer itself can use any format supported by 7z 08:37 Jordach there we go 08:38 Jordach (hexchat had glitched) 08:44 kaeza night everyone. I'm off to bed 08:54 VanessaE hey Jordach/ 08:54 Jordach hey VanessaE 08:54 Jordach its about 2am there? 08:54 * VanessaE puts one of nekogloop's spare kittens on Jordach's head. 08:55 VanessaE no, more like 6 minutes to 4. :) 08:55 Jordach oh 08:55 * Jordach checks on the Apple App "Clock" 08:55 Jordach and its -3'c today 08:56 VanessaE +5.8C here 08:56 Jordach meh, id rather keep the snow 08:56 Jordach (im off sick from school) 09:11 VanessaE that sucks :( 09:11 VanessaE (the sick part anyway) 09:19 Jordach at least ill be around all day 10:19 * VanessaE pokes Taoki ... just because. 10:19 VanessaE :) 10:20 Taoki hi 10:20 VanessaE hey. 10:23 * OldCoder is resting 10:23 VanessaE morning, OldCoder 10:23 OldCoder o/ 10:31 Taoki Hi OldCoder :) 10:36 Jordach morning OldCoder 10:36 Jordach ('tis morning here too!) 10:37 celeron55_ http://imgur.com/gallery/fNPJ2 10:37 Jordach afternoon celeron55_ 10:38 * Jordach offers to make hot chocolate 10:54 VanessaE mmm chocolate... 10:54 Jordach VanessaE, well done for losing about 50kg of weight 10:55 Jordach 45.8* 10:55 VanessaE thanks :) 10:55 Jordach i meant to say that last night, but i was off anyways 10:55 * Jordach thanks scrollback for once 10:55 VanessaE it just keeps falling off, not much I can do about it ;) 10:55 Jordach sore chest + chesty cough = fun 10:56 * Jordach should be drinking tea, but hot chocolate is smoother 10:56 VanessaE (Thank G*d for Roux en Y) 10:56 VanessaE sore chest + cough sounds like bronchitis. NOT fun at all 10:56 Jordach ugh, why does hexchat scroll the window up on scrollback log load.. 10:56 Jordach oh and yes, it hurts 10:56 VanessaE (I've had that before, it fucking sucks) 10:57 Jordach so, you blackout god, but not fucking sucks? 10:57 VanessaE yup. 10:58 VanessaE because the latter isn't particularly blasphemous :-) 10:58 Jordach i like the texture atlas format for minecraft (since its one big big file, i save time) and then its easier to draw shit (i have a java extractor at the ready) 10:58 Jordach (which splits atlas -> many files ready for mt) 10:58 VanessaE actually I heard MC is moving toward one file per image like what we use 10:58 Jordach yup 10:58 Jordach and that pisses my off 10:59 Jordach me 10:59 Jordach ** 10:59 * Jordach hates opening files one by one 11:01 VanessaE File -> Open... -> click a file -> Ctrl-A -> click "Open" :-) 11:01 VanessaE and wait ten years for the GIMP to actually open 10 little 16px images... 11:01 Jordach yup 11:02 Jordach thats why i love the current atlas 11:02 Jordach (its a piece of piss to work with) 11:20 celeron55_ https://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20130107/11190721597/uk-mobile-operator-3uk-filtering-new-class-mature-content-including-political-satire.shtml 11:20 celeron55_ fun 11:23 Jordach celeron55_, no effect 11:23 Jordach load up TOR, problem solved 11:23 celeron55_ regular people don't load up TOR and keep being blindfolded of relevant things 11:24 celeron55_ it's bad 11:24 celeron55_ very bad 11:27 Jordach celeron55_, thats why i love my adsl cable 11:29 Jordach BT thinks they can enforce a child lock on my homehub3 (trust me, ill flash the damn thing..in case of emergency) 11:50 Jordach ahh...#minetest silence and no mines in the land 11:51 VanessaE *crickets* 11:52 ruskie *chirp* *chirp* 11:52 Jordach VanessaE... 11:52 Jordach :P 11:52 Jordach *drip drip* 12:25 VanessaE bbl 12:44 init http://www.hedgewars.org/releaseschedule lmao 13:30 celeron55_ init: better link to this page :P http://www.hedgewars.org/faq.html#n3304 13:37 init hehe 14:16 Infinity_69 hi 14:16 Infinity_69 is anybody... 14:16 Infinity_69 there? 14:31 Infinity_69 who wants to join my server? 14:34 kaeza morning all 14:34 RealBadAngel hello minetest 14:34 RealBadAngel whassup? 14:35 kaeza hi RBA 14:40 Infinity_69 kaeza 14:41 Infinity_69 wanna try out my server? 14:42 kaeza maybe later Inf 14:42 Infinity_69 ok >:/ 14:42 Infinity_69 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZIVmKOdrBk 14:42 Infinity_69 awesomesong :) 14:44 Jordach RealBadAngel, day off today? 14:45 RealBadAngel Jordach, just got back from work 14:45 Jordach aye 14:48 webdesigner97 hi 14:49 Jordach ow christ my joints hurt 14:50 Infinity_69 wd97! 14:51 Infinity_69 webdesigner97 14:51 webdesigner97 yep 14:51 webdesigner97 can i help you? 14:51 webdesigner97 pls call me WD -> it's easier 14:52 Infinity_69 ok 14:52 Infinity_69 do u use u12.10? 14:53 webdesigner97 what's that? 14:53 Infinity_69 ubuntu... 14:53 Infinity_69 :D 14:54 webdesigner97 oh 14:54 webdesigner97 no, i use windows 7 14:54 Infinity_69 oh :/ 14:55 Infinity_69 well do you know if i make a VPN connection on u12.10 can you connect to it on w7? 14:55 webdesigner97 idk 14:55 kaeza hey webdesigner97 14:55 Infinity_69 kaeza 14:56 Infinity_69 is it possible? 14:56 kaeza dunno 14:56 Infinity_69 ok... 14:56 Infinity_69 kaeza 14:56 kaeza acualy yes 14:56 Infinity_69 do u use u12.10 14:56 Infinity_69 oh? 14:56 Infinity_69 how? 14:56 kaeza remobo 14:57 Infinity_69 ??? 14:57 kaeza GIYF ;) 14:59 webdesigner97 sry, was afk 14:59 webdesigner97 hi 14:59 webdesigner97 hi c55 15:01 Infinity_69 kaeza 15:01 Infinity_69 GIYF? 15:01 Infinity_69 oh :D 15:01 Infinity_69 wd91 15:01 Infinity_69 97* 15:02 webdesigner97 yep? 15:04 webdesigner97 playing on redcrab's now. bye 15:05 Infinity_69 vals_ 15:08 Infinity_69 lawl 15:08 Infinity_69 :d 15:10 Infinity_69 tango_ 15:11 tango_ what 15:11 kaeza seems legit http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64296#p64296 15:21 Infinity_69 can you try out my VPN connection/server? 15:21 Infinity_69 btw, how to connect to a vpn connection? 15:25 Infinity_69 Don't you worry, don't you worry, Kaeza! 15:28 dysoco the wiki seems to be down? http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php 15:29 Jordach you mean: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Minetest_Wiki 15:30 dysoco well, then this link is broken: http://minetest.net/contribute.php 15:30 dysoco check "The developer wiki" 15:30 erlehmann EWIGE MINENKRAFT 15:31 dysoco ah, this is the development wiki: Which apparently is separated from the normal Wiki. 15:37 Infinity_69 hi im back, ya guys :D 15:47 OldCoder Back 15:47 kaeza wb OldCoder 15:47 Jordach hey OldCoder 15:48 kaeza can somebody explain what this guy means? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4480 15:48 kaeza and why is that in the bugs & problems section? 15:49 init no idea kaeza 15:51 NakedFury for posting in the bugs section we should have a format be used or remove the posts. adding OS, game version, mods in use, and a very detailed explanation of the bug and how to replicate 15:51 NakedFury screenshots encouraged 15:52 babyface1031 hi OldCoder 15:52 kaeza NakedFury, +1 15:53 NakedFury if it doesnt have that, remove it 15:53 kaeza that thread should be on the offtopic section 16:01 Infinity_69 oldcoder 16:01 Infinity_69 u still there? 16:01 OldCoder Hi 16:01 Infinity_69 hi :D 16:01 OldCoder I will be more free tomorrow 16:01 OldCoder Hi 16:01 Infinity_69 i have a question 16:01 OldCoder Go on 16:02 Infinity_69 how to connect to a vpn connection? 16:02 dysoco kaeza, I think he's just explaning how to use chown to install mods 16:02 dysoco "This canbe used to allow ubuntu users to install mods" 16:02 Infinity_69 made a VPN connection, but idk how others will get to connect 16:02 OldCoder Infinity_69, That is something I have never tried. I may attempt it sometime. 16:02 OldCoder I did try something similar recently 16:03 Infinity_69 oh... :/ 16:03 OldCoder Somebody wanted me to help debug their connection 16:03 OldCoder I am sorry... 16:03 Infinity_69 ok <:/ 16:03 kaeza dysoco, you don't need to chown anything to be able to install mods on linux 16:03 OldCoder I never had the need to look at it. I may be able to do so in February 16:03 Infinity_69 wait what?! 16:03 kaeza unless your install is fcked up 16:03 Infinity_69 thats like a month from now :/ 16:03 dysoco kaeza, yeah... I don't know what he means 16:04 * Infinity_69 is away! 16:08 Infinity_69 hey who knows php? 16:08 Infinity_69 cause i need some help with it 16:11 Infinity_69 Calinou 16:11 Infinity_69 how good are you at php? 16:12 Calinou not good at all :D 16:13 Infinity_69 oh -.- 16:13 Infinity_69 URN00B 16:14 dysoco Why do you want to use PHP anyways? 16:19 Infinity_69 1. im making an upload page for the mods im gonna let users upload to my site 16:20 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 16:20 Infinity_69 2. i need somebody to help me make the file names random with a php script, or atleast echo out, that there already is a file named like that 16:20 Infinity_69 hi 16:20 OldCoder pilzhei 16:20 dysoco maybe try with Python or Ruby? You might get more help and avoid brain damage. 16:20 dysoco unless it's because of hosting issues. 16:20 Infinity_69 no it isnt 16:20 OldCoder dysoco, there is no need to be that negative... just a remark. PHP has deficiencies but let somebody try it if they wish 16:20 Infinity_69 btw, OldCoder 16:21 Infinity_69 try this 16:21 Infinity_69 http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/upload/index.php 16:21 OldCoder R 16:21 Infinity_69 what do you think 16:21 OldCoder Checking 16:21 dysoco nah, it was a joke: it's not like I *hate* PHP :P 16:21 OldCoder It is also O.K. to hate PHP 16:21 OldCoder Just a matter of civility 16:21 OldCoder Infinity_69, an upload script? O.K. 16:22 OldCoder I won't test it ATM... No time. I must leave for San Jose again this morning. 16:22 Infinity_69 yeah 16:22 OldCoder But 16:22 OldCoder I will review PHP code this month or next 16:22 Infinity_69 dysoco 16:22 OldCoder If you wish 16:22 Infinity_69 try it 16:22 Infinity_69 wait 16:23 Infinity_69 it has bugs 16:25 Calinou dysoco: python was made by bzip2 devs, and ruby is quite "obsolete" today.. 16:25 Calinou php is fine for web pages 16:27 dysoco truth is as a C/C++ developer PHP looks the closer to it 16:33 Infinity_69 OldCoder 16:33 OldCoder Yes 16:33 Infinity_69 can you help a littlebit with php? 16:33 Infinity_69 Warning: unlink(/tmp/phpFbwO9t) [function.unlink]: No such file or directory in /home/u112478165/public_html/upload/upload.php on line 37 16:34 Infinity_69 what does that mean? 16:34 OldCoder Wait 16:34 OldCoder I'd need to see upload.php. I'm willing to look at it tomorrow or possibly tonight. 16:34 OldCoder markveidemanis, Hi! 16:34 markveidemanis Hi! 16:34 OldCoder markveidemanis, I apologize for being distracted yesterday. It is so today as well. 16:34 markveidemanis Hmmm? 16:34 Infinity_69 wait 16:34 Infinity_69 Oc 16:35 markveidemanis Distracted? 16:35 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/K2LRss0n 16:35 Infinity_69 oc 16:36 OldCoder no time! 16:36 * OldCoder sighs 16:36 OldCoder R 16:36 Infinity_69 oh... 16:36 Infinity_69 <;/ 16:36 OldCoder Wait 16:36 Infinity_69 well it isnt long 16:36 Infinity_69 43 lines 16:36 Infinity_69 - comments 16:36 Infinity_69 rubenwardy 16:37 Infinity_69 what do you think atm? 16:37 OldCoder Infinity_69, yes... but the problem is not obvious. unlink deletes the file. It is reported not to be there. So I'd need to debug this. 16:37 OldCoder Hang on 16:37 Infinity_69 Ruben 16:37 Infinity_69 http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/upload/ 16:38 OldCoder Wait... 16:38 markveidemanis OldCoder: 16:38 OldCoder I don't see the upload code... 16:38 markveidemanis Link to map and mods plz 16:38 OldCoder markveidemanis: 16:38 OldCoder markveidemanis, mods are there 16:38 markveidemanis Where? 16:38 OldCoder markveidemanis, I must get on a bus soon 16:38 markveidemanis Ok... 16:38 OldCoder I think I can only talk for emergencies right now 16:38 OldCoder Infinity_69, hold on 16:39 OldCoder Infinity_69, where is the code that actually uploads the file? 16:39 Infinity_69 you mean the form or the script? 16:39 Infinity_69 wait 16:39 OldCoder the code that uploads the file 16:39 OldCoder I don't see any at all 16:40 Infinity_69 well there are 2 files in that folder 16:40 Infinity_69 index.php 16:40 OldCoder That is not the point 16:40 Infinity_69 that makes the forms 16:40 OldCoder Where is the code that uploads the image? 16:40 Infinity_69 upload.php 16:40 Infinity_69 image? 16:40 markveidemanis I don't see the map file 16:40 OldCoder Infinity_69, where did this code come from? 16:40 Infinity_69 that should be the upload.php, the file you have 16:40 OldCoder markveidemanis, It is not there 16:40 OldCoder Infinity_69, there is no upload code in the file 16:40 markveidemanis Oh... 16:40 OldCoder Infinity_69, where did this code come from? 16:40 markveidemanis Do you have Time, like an hour? 16:40 Infinity_69 Adam Khoury 16:41 Infinity_69 http://www.developphp.com 16:41 OldCoder markveidemanis, There is no time at all :-( 16:41 OldCoder Infinity_69, the code does not do anything 16:41 markveidemanis :( 16:41 Infinity_69 it does! 16:41 OldCoder Infinity_69, I cannot write upload code for you today. This script does not work. 16:41 Infinity_69 try it 16:41 Infinity_69 it does! 16:41 OldCoder Where is the upload code? 16:41 Infinity_69 is it possible to hide it? 16:41 Infinity_69 wait 16:41 Infinity_69 http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/upload 16:41 Infinity_69 try it! 16:41 OldCoder markveidemanis, I am sorry but I am in emergency mode 16:41 Infinity_69 then go to this page to see it 16:42 Infinity_69 http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/upload/uploads 16:42 OldCoder Infinity_69, I am looking right at the code. If possible write to the author and ask for the line number that does an upload. 16:42 markveidemanis Can i access the clean mod in game? 16:42 OldCoder I do not see any such line. 16:42 markveidemanis That would be cool... 16:42 OldCoder markveidemanis, We have it but I don't know what you mean 16:42 rubenwardy User interface: http://pastebin.com/mN3UYg7r 16:42 rubenwardy behind: http://pastebin.com/B7eztAHVhttp://pastebin.com/B7eztAHV 16:42 rubenwardy user loads "user interface" and then selects a file to upload 16:42 rubenwardy page submits to "behind" which uploads 16:42 rubenwardy then is goes back to "userinterface" 16:42 rubenwardy where any error / success messages are displayed 16:42 Infinity_69 i tried it long before i uploaded it right now 16:42 markveidemanis /clean stone 16:43 markveidemanis in game 16:43 Infinity_69 then it worked 16:43 Infinity_69 yes, i saw it ruben 16:43 OldCoder markveidemanis, Infinity_69 I must travel to another city. I cannot talk now. markveidemanis map will need to wait. Infinity_69 ask author for line number. 16:43 Infinity_69 ok -.- 16:43 markveidemanis Ok _-00_ 16:43 markveidemanis ... 16:43 markveidemanis Fail 16:43 rubenwardy looks like this: http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/upload.png 16:43 OldCoder Infinity_69, without line number there is little I can do. I am sorry about -.- and markveidemanis I am sorry about :( 16:43 markveidemanis -!- 16:44 markveidemanis Is it a dot? 16:44 OldCoder Infinity_69, seriously I do not presently see any upload code at all 16:44 markveidemanis Hi! 16:44 OldCoder I am sorry that I cannot 16:44 Zeg9 Hi ! 16:44 OldCoder markveidemanis, I will make you maps if I can 16:44 OldCoder But I *must* focus now 16:44 Infinity_69 wait 16:44 markveidemanis OC: plz remove conifers...PLZ! it messes up spawn 16:44 OldCoder Guys if I do not focus bad things will happen 16:44 Zeg9 Hi OldCoder, Infinity_69, markveidemanis 16:44 OldCoder markveidemanis, we did remove them 16:44 markveidemanis Really messes up spawn... 16:44 Infinity_69 oc 16:44 markveidemanis YAY! 16:44 Infinity_69 do you mean this 16:44 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/Cvx1Us71 16:44 OldCoder markveidemanis, they are gone. Only have moretrees now 16:45 OldCoder Infinity_69, R 16:45 markveidemanis ** 16:45 OldCoder Infinity_69, no that is the HTML 16:45 OldCoder Infinity_69, I do not see any upload code 16:45 markveidemanis *COUGH*! 16:45 Infinity_69 well those are the only 2 codes! 16:45 Zeg9 Infinity_69, you need a php code to handle the upload too 16:45 OldCoder Infinity_69, make a ZIP file 16:45 OldCoder of the entire folder and let me see later 16:45 Infinity_69 zeg9 i did 16:45 OldCoder I do not see any upload code yet 16:46 Zeg9 Also it is

HVGaming Upload

16:46 OldCoder I must be missing it 16:46 Infinity_69 http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/upload 16:46 Infinity_69 try it 16:46 Zeg9 and no 16:46 markveidemanis OldCoder... 16:46 OldCoder I cannot talk further ATM 16:46 OldCoder I must write a document 16:46 markveidemanis http://ompldr.org/vaDQzcw/2013-01-17-164543_1024x600_scrot.png 16:46 OldCoder NOW 16:46 markveidemanis CONIFERS! 16:46 OldCoder There is no time 16:46 OldCoder Yes. And? 16:47 OldCoder I removed the mod 16:47 OldCoder There are two issues 16:47 OldCoder Well, one, actually... 16:47 markveidemanis Its a conifer tree... 16:47 NakedFury good luck on your thing 16:47 OldCoder I believe you. They may still be in moretrees. 16:47 OldCoder NakedFury, If these two will let me focus :-) 16:47 OldCoder markveidemanis, I think you need to speak with VanessaE 16:47 OldCoder About More Trees 16:47 OldCoder Find the line to disable or change 16:48 OldCoder And I will fix it for you 16:48 OldCoder Look, so long for now o/ 16:48 markveidemanis Look at my screenshot...uploading 16:49 markveidemanis http://ompldr.org/vaDQzdA/2013-01-17-164803_1024x600_scrot.png 16:51 markveidemanis OldCoder: when you are back, please put donwn the server, send me the map and il see which mods the map REALLY needs and il use worldedit to get rid of some stuff *COUGH* CONIFERS *COUGH* 16:51 OldCoder Cough? 16:51 OldCoder You O.K.? 16:51 markveidemanis *Ahem*... 16:51 * markveidemanis 16:52 markveidemanis so //replace conifers:leaves air 16:52 markveidemanis on the whole map 16:52 markveidemanis Right? 16:53 NakedFury maybe but it might take a while 16:53 markveidemanis Hi! 16:53 markveidemanis oh, Bye! 16:53 markveidemanis :D 16:54 PilzAdam markveidemanis, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2777 16:54 kaeza markveidemanis, better install the 'clean' mod, or tweak conifers to not spawn (or remove altogether) 16:54 markveidemanis I have 16:54 markveidemanis clean mod 16:55 markveidemanis minetest.register_alias(default:air, conifers:leaves) 16:58 kaeza minetest.register_alias("conifers:leaves", "default:air") * 16:58 markveidemanis Ok, but how do i do that in game? 16:58 kaeza you need to create a separate mod 16:58 kaeza and make it depend on conifers 16:59 OldCoder markveidemanis, Infinity_69 I will try to help when I can 16:59 Infinity_69 i already got what i needed 16:59 Infinity_69 nt 2 you 16:59 markveidemanis By sending me the map and putting down the server, Right? 17:00 markveidemanis so i can *Tweak* it 17:01 markveidemanis Wait... 17:01 markveidemanis CONIFERS GROW OD PROTESTED LAND 17:01 markveidemanis PROTECTED 17:01 markveidemanis MUST REMOVE 17:02 kaeza NO CAPSLOCK PLZ 17:02 markveidemanis OK! 17:03 Infinity_69 KAEZA, STFU, MARK, STFU, INFINITY_69, STOP CAPS-LOCKING YOU DUMBASS! 17:03 markveidemanis ? 17:03 markveidemanis Which one? 17:03 Zeg9 Don't worry, that happens, he just forgotten his drugs... 17:03 Zeg9 Hi PilzAdam 17:03 kaeza /ignore Infinity_69 all 17:04 Infinity_69 no 17:04 markveidemanis Ok. 17:04 markveidemanis I will switch to a better client JUST to do that 17:04 Infinity_69 :D 17:04 Zeg9 you aren't really better, mark 17:04 Infinity_69 your move, mark! 17:04 markveidemanis Umm... 17:04 Infinity_69 yeah! 17:04 Infinity_69 Zeg9, +1 17:04 markveidemanis Umm... 17:05 markveidemanis Zeg9: You forgot a capital! 17:05 Infinity_69 *le me doesnt care 17:05 Zeg9 Yeah, I think you're right. That's so sad. 17:05 kaeza inb4 +q 17:05 Infinity_69 *le me doesnt give a shit 17:05 Infinity_69 inb4? 17:05 PilzAdam kaeza 17:05 PilzAdam minetest.register_alias("conifers:leaves", "default:air") * 17:05 PilzAdam thats wrong 17:05 markveidemanis Why 17:05 PilzAdam its "air" not default:air 17:06 Zeg9 :)) 17:06 Infinity_69 yeah! 17:06 Infinity_69 :D 17:06 Infinity_69 hey zeg 17:06 kaeza right 17:06 markveidemanis You joined before that was posted 17:06 kaeza sowwy :) 17:06 Infinity_69 give me a good forum software name, that isnt PunBB/PhpBB 17:06 Zeg9 markveidemanis, do you know logs? 17:06 markveidemanis Yep 17:06 Zeg9 fluxbb (is a punbb fork) 17:07 markveidemanis Zeg, can you fix my server 17:07 Zeg9 markviedemanis, ? 17:07 Infinity_69 no punbb's 17:07 markveidemanis And all the conifers **** 17:07 Zeg9 Infinity_69, why? and why on #minetest? 17:08 markveidemanis I need the server to be reverted to a previous backup 17:08 markveidemanis OldCOder... 17:08 Infinity_69 *le me just saying 17:09 markveidemanis OldCOder 17:09 markveidemanis ? 17:09 OldCoder Gnn> 17:09 markveidemanis Keyboard glitched 17:09 OldCoder markveidemanis, how far back?: 17:09 markveidemanis BeforE conifers 17:09 OldCoder markveidemanis, can we simply clean out the conifers? 17:09 OldCoder Using clean mod? 17:09 markveidemanis And then remove it 17:09 OldCoder markveidemanis, I can't talk now. But we can either revert or use clean. Don't worry. 17:10 OldCoder I assume the clean mod will do 17:10 OldCoder BUT 17:10 OldCoder please talk to VanessaE first because there is no point unless we disable conifers in More Trees 17:10 Infinity_69 SOMEBODY GIVE ME A GOOD OPEN SOURCE GAME, QUICK! 17:10 OldCoder I need the patch for that 17:10 OldCoder Infinity_69, Minetest 17:10 OldCoder :P 17:10 markveidemanis conifers:leaves conifers:trunk 17:11 OldCoder Talk to VanessaE about More Trees patch or conifers will come back 17:11 Infinity_69 except mt! 17:11 OldCoder I think 17:11 Infinity_69 its already added 17:11 OldCoder Infinity_69, Secret Maryo 17:11 OldCoder <-- disclaimer: It has a little of his code in it :-) 17:11 markveidemanis Infinity_69:Minecraft 17:11 Infinity_69 MINECRAFT?! 17:11 Infinity_69 WTF 17:11 Infinity_69 that is NOT OS 17:11 markveidemanis So? 17:12 markveidemanis OS: SO?! 17:12 markveidemanis OldCoder: and remove technic/mesecons 17:12 markveidemanis and glooptest 17:12 Infinity_69 OS = Operating System ; Open Source 17:12 markveidemanis and i need the map to test on 17:13 Infinity_69 EVERYBODY GO THER 17:13 Infinity_69 http://minetest.web1337.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=5 17:13 OldCoder markveidemanis, are you sure?? O.K. 17:13 * Infinity_69 loves that forum 17:13 * Infinity_69 loves porn 17:13 markveidemanis OC: plz send me the map 17:13 * Infinity_69 loves anal 17:14 OldCoder markveidemanis, O.K. 17:14 * Infinity_69 saw porn there 17:14 * Infinity_69 saw anal there 17:14 OldCoder Infinity_69, please watch it 17:14 Infinity_69 go there 17:14 Infinity_69 http://minetest.web1337.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=5 17:14 * OldCoder is mostly away 17:14 markveidemanis and il edit it with clean mod, remove and edit some mods and send you the map and modpack 17:14 OldCoder markveidemanis, that sounds fine! 17:14 OldCoder markveidemanis, I promise to work with you on this 17:14 markveidemanis Yep 17:15 OldCoder Infinity_69, this is an all ages channel. Please watch it or we'll need to mute you til I get back from San Jose. 17:15 Infinity_69 mark! 17:15 Infinity_69 San Jose? 17:15 Infinity_69 mark 17:15 Infinity_69 go there 17:15 Infinity_69 http://minetest.web1337.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=5 17:15 Infinity_69 its Zeg9's forum :d 17:15 Infinity_69 fileld with p0rn 17:15 Infinity_69 xd 17:15 Infinity_69 some asshole filled it :D 17:15 Zeg9 xD 17:15 Infinity_69 he filled it with alot of d**k 17:15 Infinity_69 xd 17:16 * Infinity_69 is amazed 17:16 Zeg9 all these guys are russians 17:16 Zeg9 weird... 17:16 * Infinity_69 doesnt like russian p0rn 17:16 markveidemanis Wat 17:16 Zeg9 plus they have idfferent ips 17:16 Infinity_69 pr0xy 17:16 PilzAdam Infinity_69, stop it or i report you to #freenode 17:16 Infinity_69 xD 17:16 Infinity_69 p0rnxy 17:17 Zeg9 Ok, now I deleted the 3 spammers, the forum is empty 17:17 Infinity_69 aww... 17:17 Infinity_69 why?! 17:23 markveidemanis is there a Fork of minetest 17:24 markveidemanis http://minetest.weebly.com/minetest-forks.html 17:24 markveidemanis Many! 17:24 markveidemanis 4 17:25 Infinity_69 mark 17:25 Infinity_69 Y U USE A WEBS/WEEBLY/YOLA THING?! 17:25 Infinity_69 is that a thing? 17:25 Infinity_69 it used to be a thing, yeah! 17:26 markveidemanis Now to compile minetest 4 times... 17:27 Infinity_69_ hi 17:29 PilzAdam Calinou, update your unofficial changelog 17:31 Calinou done? 17:31 Infinity_69_ yo calinou, do you like free games that run on linux? 17:31 Infinity_69_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUsuHMBkOU 17:31 Infinity_69_ look 17:31 Infinity_69_ No Heroes 17:32 PilzAdam Calinou, the smaller junglegrass texture is actually a fix to some texture glitch when digging 17:32 Calinou yes, but it is still shorter 17:33 Infinity_69_ Calinou 17:33 Infinity_69_ do you like it? 17:33 Calinou Infinity_69_: nope.avi 17:33 Infinity_69 why not?! 17:33 Calinou because :3 17:33 PilzAdam Calinou, and where are the particles? 17:35 VanessaE OldCoder, markveidemanis: that is not a conifer from my mod (there isn't enough ground for that tree to have spawned in the current version). Either someone planted it or your copy of moretrees and/or plantlife is out of date. 17:35 OldCoder VanessaE, I will need to check then 17:35 OldCoder Thanks 17:35 PilzAdam hello VanessaE 17:36 markveidemanis Still remove whatever that is 17:36 marktraceur http://servers.minetest.ru/ 17:36 markveidemanis Im compiling 2 minetests 17:36 marktraceur Congrats to D-L-K for achieving 100% uptime :P 17:36 VanessaE also, 17:37 VanessaE if you want to prevent a tree from growing in the area, place a few trunks in the ground. 17:37 Infinity_69 marktraceur 17:37 VanessaE the mod checks for the presence of a conifer trunk or sapling before spawning another one. 17:37 Infinity_69 do you like Free2Play FPS games? 17:37 Infinity_69 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUsuHMBkOU 17:37 Infinity_69 look! 17:37 Infinity_69 No Heroes 17:38 VanessaE so if you put a trunk in the ground with one layer of dirt above it, a tree of that type will not spawn within ~7 nodes of that trunk. 17:38 VanessaE (works for jungle trees too) 17:38 markveidemanis i wont sink to thay level.... 17:38 markveidemanis that 17:39 markveidemanis will it grow in ptotected area 17:39 markveidemanis Protected 17:39 Infinity_69 markveidemains 17:39 Infinity_69 do you like Free2Play FPS games? 17:39 Infinity_69 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUsuHMBkOU 17:39 Infinity_69 No Heroes 17:39 VanessaE they're trees, they don't check for protection before spawning 17:41 VanessaE eventually I'll change it to spawn saplings at mapgen time, if I can figure out a fast way to do it. 17:41 markveidemanis k 17:42 VanessaE "[01-17 12:39] i wont sink to thay level...." 17:42 VanessaE ? 17:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, -> mapgen.cpp 17:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: I meant via whatever Lua hooks there are. 17:42 VanessaE I ain't adding to the C++ mapgen. 17:50 kaeza marktraceur, and shame on Calinou... (~50% uptime) :P 17:53 Calinou the domain expired 17:54 kaeza oh lol 17:54 kaeza sowwy, just kidding 17:57 mauvebic my throat feels like chunky salsa :S 18:00 VanessaE mauvebic: sorry to hear :( 18:01 mauvebic dunno if its a cold or just the electric heating lol 18:03 FreeFull What was my quit message? 18:03 rubenwardy new forum: http://multa.bugs3.com/forum/ 18:03 rubenwardy (5:55:27 PM) FreeFull left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:05 Zeg9 lol 18:05 FreeFull rubenwardy: Not that one 18:05 FreeFull The one after that 18:06 rubenwardy this is none... 18:07 mauvebic can python "read" images (like color values) ? 18:07 VanessaE it can write them for sure 18:08 mauvebic i wanna recreate expo 67 though id like to "import" the terrain from google maps 18:09 Jordach huh...what happened 18:09 FreeFull mauvebic: I'm sure there is a library that allows you to do that 18:09 * Jordach fell asleep at the keyboard 18:09 kaeza mauvebic, PIL? 18:10 mauvebic i know PIL draws them 18:10 mauvebic i wonder if it can fetch color values 18:10 kaeza PythonMagick? 18:11 mauvebic PIL apparently can do it 18:11 mauvebic re: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4643847/python-how-to-get-a-list-of-color-that-used-in-one-image 18:12 mauvebic i saw a guy on youtube write a simcity map converter for MC i think 18:13 mauvebic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_tZ3TZa1qw 18:13 NakedFury how would exporting towers work? 18:13 berome mauvebic: if your throat is around 18 years old, it needs Grog! 18:13 VanessaE Jordach was working on a map converter for some Nintendo DS game I think 18:14 Jordach VanessaE, that was handbuilding 18:14 marktraceur VanessaE: Nice kick 18:14 berome (just before slleping) 18:14 VanessaE Jordach: oh. 18:14 Jordach i've woken up from passing out 18:15 VanessaE heh 18:15 mauvebic well importing simcity maps is not nearly as handy as doing it w/ google maps lol 18:15 Jordach VanessaE, im really tired 18:16 VanessaE so go to bed :) 18:16 Jordach nope. 18:16 * Jordach has had coffee 18:16 VanessaE well in that case tank up on more of the same and just go all the way back around to your next bedtime :) 18:17 Jordach mauvebic, I think SimCity 3000 was the best 18:17 Jordach IMO* 18:17 Infinity_69 hi 18:17 Infinity_69 this is very inspirational 18:17 Infinity_69 http://youtu.be/QebfhCmQnJ4?t=1m31s 18:17 Infinity_69 wait no 18:17 Infinity_69 http://youtu.be/QebfhCmQnJ4?t=1m32s 18:17 Infinity_69 this one 18:18 rubenwardy New website, Infinity_69: http://multa.bugs3.com/ 18:18 Infinity_69 "Dont go to college, make videos on Youtube!" 18:18 rubenwardy http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3a%2f%2fmulta.bugs3.com%2findex.php 18:18 Infinity_69 yes, i saw that :/ 18:18 Infinity_69 ruben 18:18 Infinity_69 http://youtu.be/QebfhCmQnJ4?t=1m32s 18:18 Infinity_69 look at this 18:19 Infinity_69 this is REAL inspirational 18:19 Zeg9 ruben, did you make this html 5 logo? 18:20 rubenwardy yes 18:20 rubenwardy edited it from a old logo 18:20 Zeg9 Nice name: ESME 18:20 rubenwardy|away brb, supper 18:21 Infinity_69 http://youtu.be/QebfhCmQnJ4?t=2m45s 18:21 Zeg9 shut up 18:21 Jordach Zeg9, /ignore Infinity_69 all 18:21 Infinity_69 :/ 18:22 VanessaE "Soon minecraft will be a minetest ripoff ;)" -- Casimir, in a forum thread 18:22 VanessaE hahaha 18:24 kaeza Jordach, /mode Infinity_69 +q 18:24 Infinity_69 hi celeron55 18:24 Infinity_69 http://youtu.be/QebfhCmQnJ4?t=2m45s 18:24 Infinity_69 look 18:24 Infinity_69 this is how i feel about you o.o 18:26 thexyz lol wtf http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4479 18:26 Calinou +1, loled too 18:26 Calinou "and I think you, can even upload the, whole pc on it to make room in your's harddrive and move it back later, or upload whatever you like and, unload it on some other pc without a usb or something." 18:26 Calinou scp ftw! 18:27 thexyz ssh for huge file transfers? *genius* 18:28 mauvebic i wonder how many of these trolls are actually the same person lol 18:28 thexyz or just stupid 18:29 NakedFury this likwid guy has been posting new topics non stop 18:29 marktraceur Infinity_69: Quit reposting videos and spamming. 18:29 Infinity_69 im sharing! 18:29 Infinity_69 :D 18:29 Infinity_69 not spamming :D 18:30 thexyz quit sharing then. 18:30 marktraceur Infinity_69: You're sharing too often, and repeating the same thing. 18:30 Calinou thexyz: yeah, it sucks for large files 18:30 Calinou but useful if you have no external HDD/USB drive/DVD/whatever 18:31 kaeza NakedFury, also, I find it amusing that jojoa1997 joined a month ago and has around 900 posts already 18:31 mauvebic why would i backup my files when most are torrents i could get back easily lol 18:32 Calinou seems legit 18:32 * celeron55 has 299 posts 18:32 * marktraceur adds "six internal terabyte-or-bigger drives" to the list of possibly helpful devices 18:32 marktraceur celeron55: You're almost a life master! 18:32 celeron55 and joined literally first 18:32 marktraceur 18:33 PilzAdam the second registered user has 0 posts 18:33 Jordach D: 18:33 Jordach trolol 18:33 celeron55 what a lamer! 18:33 thexyz PilzAdam: and is named test_user 18:34 mauvebic 1091, though mostly screencaps 18:34 NakedFury would you guys let this man work on your pc? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1IqqlW1U4k 18:34 Calinou marktraceur: what about a GTX690 18:34 * Calinou would like to see nvidia-to-nouveau ratio :3 18:35 kaeza wow I have 399! 18:35 kaeza gotta make a nice 400th post :) 18:35 PilzAdam NakedFury, sure 18:36 NakedFury amazinlgy I had never seen that video before 18:36 marktraceur Calinou: What? Oh, referring to the drives 18:36 Calinou on a GTX680 nouveau is 6.7 times slower than nvidia 18:37 mauvebic my favorite part of nouveau is doing sudo pacman -Rs nouveau lol 18:37 Calinou notbad.jpg 18:37 rubenwardy bacl 18:37 marktraceur Calinou: I'm going to be shopping for new PC parts soonish, if you have suggestions for Nouveau-compatible devices I'd be interested to hear it 18:37 Calinou marktraceur: the 9800GTX is good for nouveau 18:37 Calinou it's the only nvidia GPU that can be reclocked, however its power consuption is high. 18:37 marktraceur I don't mind paying a little extra in utilities 18:37 Calinou also it is fairly old -- it doesn't use never technologies such as GDDR5, and it has 1GB VRAM (today's high end GPUs have at least 2GB VRAM) 18:38 Calinou marktraceur: might want to wait for haswell, then buy a powerful intel CPU and use its IGP, that works too :P 18:38 mauvebic my nvidia card wasn't terribly new a year ago when i bought it and they only recently fixed flash hardware accel (not that it matters now lol) 18:39 thexyz btw, Calinou, upnpc is *not* linux-only 18:39 thexyz there is windows version 18:39 Calinou marktraceur: http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1301096-RA-NOUVEAUGE37&sha=e9c64b7&p=2 18:39 celeron55 marktraceur: i added some stuff from http://minetest.net/wiki to http://dev.minetest.net/ 18:39 marktraceur celeron55: Sweet! Thanks! 18:39 Calinou as you can see, the GTX680 is just as fast, but it is 8 times* more expensive than a 9800GTX 18:39 celeron55 marktraceur: there's still something left; should there be some kind of a list of things to do somewhere on dev.minetest.net? 18:39 Calinou *the 9800GTX can only be bought "used", it's not manufactured anymore 18:40 thexyz there's port for mac too 18:40 Calinou thexyz: most windows users don't want to deal with command line ;) link? 18:40 celeron55 marktraceur: how have you thought things should work out 18:40 thexyz Calinou: http://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/files/ 18:40 marktraceur celeron55: I'm going to plan and organize over tonight and tomorrow 18:40 celeron55 ok 18:41 marktraceur celeron55: Last night was spent in awful pain and disability, I climbed on Tuesday and my forearms are still killing me 18:41 marktraceur celeron55: Roughly, I'll have people document the codebase on a file-by-file basis, hopefully tying things together into topics 18:42 marktraceur celeron55: And we'll forward e.g. class names to the right places, as well as common function names 18:42 celeron55 that sounds like something in which stuff like doxygen should be considered, altough it isn't as flexible 18:42 celeron55 dunno 18:42 marktraceur celeron55: Well, we could do that too 18:42 rubenwardy (6:31:49 PM) kaeza: NakedFury, also, I find it amusing that jojoa1997 joined a month ago and has around 900 posts already 18:42 rubenwardy It is because he seemingly does not know how to use the "edit" button, and so creates many random posts. Also he asks a lot of questions 18:42 marktraceur celeron55: The problem is, we'd need to merge that into the codebase, and I'm cogniscent of the code review situation 18:43 celeron55 what does that word even mean 18:43 kaeza rubenwardy, he also creates a lot of "me too" or "me neither" posts lol 18:43 NakedFury the forums should have a script where double posting is not allowed, it tells you to edit the other post 18:43 rubenwardy yeah 18:44 celeron55 marktraceur: apparently the word you were looking for is cognisant 18:44 mauvebic mmm cogniac 18:44 marktraceur celeron55: Interesting 18:44 NakedFury you guys make me check many of the words used here 18:44 kaeza hmm... there seems to be somme formatting inconsistencies in lua_api.txt 18:44 NakedFury dictionary searching skills are high 18:44 marktraceur celeron55: I figured it was a similar root to "conscious", but all right 18:44 kaeza the dreaded tab vs spaces problem 18:46 celeron55 marktraceur: i don't really understand what you mean by cognisant of the code review situation" still though 18:46 celeron55 +" 18:47 marktraceur celeron55: My understanding is that you're pretty hesitant to merge code, and (possibly related) there's a backlog of pull requests 18:47 * marktraceur admittedly hasn't checked in a while 18:47 Calinou 18:47 celeron55 the solution to that is not to stop doing things, but for different people to start doing it 8) 18:48 celeron55 these days i am not hesitant; i am busy doing other things 18:48 marktraceur celeron55: And I fully intend to turn my attention to that issue later, but this was one I thought should take priority 18:49 marktraceur celeron55: If you think it would be relatively simple to alleviate the code review problem, I could probably handle merging a bunch of documentation efforts in the codebase itself 18:49 celeron55 doing things one at a time is certainly a good idea, assuming you are only a single person 8) 18:49 marktraceur Exactly. 18:50 kaeza marktraceur, how can you specify a "footnote" in MediaWiki syntax? I'm accustomed to DokuWiki's ((footnote)) syntax 18:50 marktraceur kaeza: You mean like a reference? tags or something, I believe. 18:50 marktraceur kaeza: It might be an extension, though. One sec. 18:50 marktraceur kaeza: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php 18:51 marktraceur Even more better, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite 18:51 celeron55 i'll write this here so i can't forget (or am forced to remember by someone else): I need to write a page about releasing new versions of minetest 18:52 kaeza marktraceur, thanks :) 18:52 marktraceur Good plan 18:53 PilzAdam celeron55, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-12-06#i_2693237 18:53 marktraceur celeron55: So I'll shift my plan to be a joint effort...we'll document process things and grander sections (things like "How the eff does mapgen work?") in the wiki, and do some more fine-grained stuff in code comments, and court documentation generators. 18:53 celeron55 PilzAdam: oh, i didn't even remember that - that is a good base 8) 18:56 marktraceur OK, has someone fixed the bug where entities randomly appear next to other entities? 18:56 marktraceur (next to meaning inside, not next to) 18:56 PilzAdam you mean the attachment bug? 18:57 celeron55 i believe so; i fixed it in here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/0f1d2c127cd58aa9b1afa22769dcdaf8f71d05e6 18:57 PilzAdam there is still some strange behaviour when players load mapblocks with attached players 18:58 PilzAdam s/players/objects 18:58 kaeza marktraceur, I meant something more like this: http://cosmorpg.sourceforge.net/wiki/doku.php?id=wiki:syntax#footnotes 18:58 celeron55 it's probably because the ids are unique to server instances, not unique to worlds 18:59 celeron55 and they are saved regardless of that 19:00 Calinou PilzAdam: also, simplemobs bugs, like if a mob leaves loaded area, it'll move perpetually and be invincible ;) 19:00 Calinou this is quite an high-priority bug, because simplemobs is a quite good mod otherwise 19:00 PilzAdam I cant do anything about engine bugs in handling Lua entities 19:01 marktraceur kaeza: I don't know that I've seen something like that before....one sec 19:01 PilzAdam its currently impossible to create a good working mobs mod in minetest 19:02 marktraceur Oh, so 19:02 marktraceur celeron55: Did that bugfix get backported to 0.4.4? 19:02 Calinou simplemobs is a good start 19:02 Calinou it runs OK on my netbook 8) 19:02 celeron55 marktraceur: no 19:02 marktraceur Hm. 19:02 thexyz PilzAdam: why? 19:02 Calinou (I get slowdowns when fireballs hit something and make fire, though) 19:02 celeron55 that fix could make 0.4.5 release-worthy right now, even 19:03 marktraceur celeron55: If I built that commit anyway, would 0.4.4 binaries still work? 19:03 Calinou there are enough changes to make a new version IMO 19:03 marktraceur (as clients) 19:03 mauvebic did visual scale get fixed with attach fix? 19:03 celeron55 current master should interoperate just as well with 0.4.4 19:03 Calinou teh changelogs http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/0.4.x-changelog.txt 19:03 marktraceur K. 19:03 thexyz oh, wait 19:03 Calinou marktraceur: ^ 19:03 celeron55 (if not, there is a bug) 19:03 marktraceur I'll rebuild the server, then, because that bug is annoyinggggg 19:03 celeron55 it's a client-side bug 19:03 NakedFury normally how many fixes or changes are enough for another digit in release version? 0.4.5? 19:03 Calinou it's just as big as the 0.4.4 one, if not bigger 19:04 thexyz http://bpaste.net/show/70449/ 19:04 celeron55 actually, no... it's a server-side bug 19:04 celeron55 8) 19:04 celeron55 so yes, that will fix it 19:04 celeron55 NakedFury: any 19:04 marktraceur Yeah, I can't imagine why a client bug would create entities 19:04 mauvebic coolness 19:04 celeron55 NakedFury: 1 to 1000000 19:05 mauvebic what about maps taking a long time to load? i dont know anything about emergethread people keep talking about lol 19:06 kaeza celeron55, is there a way to (for example) tell the client "this chunk is made *entirely* out of air"? 19:06 PilzAdam thexyz, because the handling of Lua entities in the engine is quite buggy 19:07 Calinou mauvebic: disable "preload item visuals" 19:07 celeron55 kaeza: the server compresses the node data, so a mapblock made completely out of air will be quite small 19:07 Calinou celeron55: maybe disable it by default? there is no longer a black screen when generating visuals so there is nothing to be lost 19:07 mauvebic im not even sure what that option does lol 19:07 kaeza celeron55, k 19:07 Calinou mauvebic: it preloads item visuals. ;) 19:07 celeron55 :D 19:08 mauvebic as opposed... to streaming them? :p 19:08 Calinou to generating them as you see them 19:08 celeron55 "loading item visuals" = generating the item mesh and rendering a node to an image if it is a node 19:09 mauvebic ah okay it affects -/+ 19:09 celeron55 it chooses when to do it; the result is always cached 19:09 mauvebic i noticed beneath a certain range it doesn't reduce the view 19:09 Calinou no, it doesn't 19:09 mauvebic so thats what that does, good to know lol :-) 19:10 Calinou the +/- keys adjust minimum range, not maximum 19:10 kaeza hi TheGIMP 19:10 kaeza lol 19:10 Calinou the clipping is done block-by-block not node-by-node 19:10 * TheGIMP bows 19:10 Calinou we are not using cube engine :D 19:10 Calinou TheGIMP: ohai, photoshop is better, amirite? 19:11 TheGIMP Never used it. Is it free? 19:11 mauvebic im partial to windows 3.1 paint 19:11 Calinou adobe pays you as you use it 19:12 TheGIMP OooOO.....Really. 19:12 Calinou TheGIMP: we know you're "shaun" 19:12 Calinou real name :) 19:12 TheGIMP Yea :) 19:12 TheGIMP I left kizeren account logged in. 19:12 TheGIMP And I am bored getting car worked on and have nothing else to do :) 19:14 TheGIMP Going to try this transport thing on the game. But man can't find chromium to save my life.. 19:15 Calinou find firefox then 19:15 TheGIMP ? 19:16 TheGIMP The crafting guide says I need chromium to make steel so I can make transport tubes. 19:16 TheGIMP Doesn't say anything about a web browser. 19:16 Calinou steel is just smelted iron... 19:17 TheGIMP Sorry....stainless steel I meant. 19:17 TheGIMP OMG......This had to of been kaeza. kaeza, you didn't by chance fill my house full of leaves did you? :D 19:17 kaeza wat 19:18 TheGIMP My house on minetest.org 30000 is full of leaves :) 19:18 kaeza I'd do it with lava 19:18 kaeza not with leaves :P 19:18 kaeza BTW, TheGIMP → http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4469 19:19 TheGIMP That is awesome. 19:20 celeron55 http://dev.minetest.net/Releasing_Minetest 19:20 celeron55 8) 19:21 Calinou you forgot one step 19:21 Calinou "sleep", then add "listen to users complaining about bugs" 19:21 kaeza lol http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64373#p64373 19:22 mauvebic jesus christ lol has he not seen the edit button? 19:22 VanessaE TheGIMP: you could also try the bare version of pipeworks - it has item transport now, without needing technic, and has simpler crafting recipes :D 19:23 TheGIMP I am trying this on OldCoders server. WIll update my personal server this weekend and try. 19:23 mauvebic i guess the ultra minimal version would be called barrack-naked-pipes lol 19:23 VanessaE heh 19:23 VanessaE your ultra-bare one is, yet again, out of date :D 19:24 TheGIMP And actually. I am trying to think of a good use for transport. 19:24 Calinou how 'bout romney pipes 19:24 VanessaE (and we use the phrase "buck naked" btw :-) ) 19:24 mauvebic barrack naked isn't a reference to obama lol 19:24 VanessaE Calinou: he's trying to avoid the expensive ones duh :-) 19:25 kizeren2 How are the trees coming along? 19:25 mauvebic i dont see what changed on the pipes side of things 19:26 * kaeza will take note to not use WTFPL for mods again 19:26 mauvebic howcome 19:26 kaeza gawd that likwid guy is copying everyone 19:26 mauvebic he's a troll 19:26 mauvebic prolly LM/NK/MV 19:28 Obiewan1111 Anyone else here that's from Britain and has snow? 19:28 mauvebic im in canada and ours was melting lol 19:29 kaeza "You mind not Spamming jojoa?" -- Obiewan1111 ← LOL 19:29 mauvebic i saw the video of people pushing a bus up a hill in norwich lol 19:29 mauvebic no winter tires/tracks/chains in britain? 19:29 Obiewan1111 Also.. Is there a way I can edit how blocks look like whilst destroying? 19:29 NakedFury the crack.png? 19:30 Obiewan1111 Nope. The whole country just goes into a fricking shut-down when we get like 2 mm of snow. 19:30 kaeza nodedef.visual_scale only affects wielded item right? 19:30 mauvebic no salt or sand on the roads? 19:30 mauvebic isn't windsor salt british? 19:31 Obiewan1111 Salt is the only thing that happens. 19:31 Obiewan1111 Nothing else, just shut-down. 19:32 marktraceur Obiewan1111: I've heard London does that, but I haven't heard anything about the rest of the country 19:32 * marktraceur has three coworkers from the UK, weather is a frequent topic of discussion 19:32 mauvebic what ticks me off is we still have snow days in schools for relatively little snowfall - teachers get the day off parents have their hands full 19:33 marktraceur mauvebic: Solution, buy proper winter clothes and throw them at a snowbank. They make their own fun. 19:34 mauvebic or - back in the city - waiting for hour(s) at -25c for a bus thats been rerouted lol 19:34 mauvebic i dont have any kids thank fucking god lol 19:34 mauvebic back in the 90's they were happy with 90$ discmans' 19:34 mauvebic now it takes an iphone and a fucking laptop lol 19:35 Calinou heh, if I force 32× antialiasing in nvidia X server settings, minetest ignores it, but sauerbraten uses it (and faster than sauerbraten-provided 16× AA) 19:35 mauvebic shit you have to saveup for yourself they just expect you to give 19:35 Calinou btw, way to save money: "buy proper winter clothes" and don't use heat condensers or whatever these are called :3 19:36 Calinou also makes your computer cooler :D 19:37 mauvebic anyways the world is overpopulated i wouldn't be doing any favours adding more wretched little consumers lol 19:38 marktraceur mauvebic: There's a simple way to deal with your issue: Follow the path of the hacker, forego iPhones and expensive laptops. 19:38 kaeza Anyone knows if nodedef.special_tiles is used for other things than animated textures? 19:39 mauvebic ive had the same phone for 3 years 19:39 mauvebic been fixing the same p4 for 7 years 19:39 OldCoder mauvebic, Does it still work? 19:39 mauvebic they both do 19:39 NakedFury I had a motorola razr for years and years before I got the iphone 19:39 OldCoder markveidemanis, I am sorry I was busy for two days. If you can see me again I will try to do all that you have requested. 19:39 * Menche has had the same phone for 5 years, and it was used then 19:39 * Calinou has no phone 19:40 OldCoder If somebody sees Infinity_69 tell him the same thing 19:40 Calinou beat you all in "how old is your phone" 19:40 * OldCoder is headed for the bus 19:40 OldCoder Calinou, 30 years 19:40 OldCoder well, one of them 19:40 OldCoder No phone? 19:40 OldCoder Hmm 19:40 OldCoder 1/0 = ? 19:40 Calinou mobile phone of course 19:40 OldCoder Ah 19:40 mauvebic though when the contract expires im going back to dumbphones 19:40 Calinou marktraceur: forget any laptops* FTFY 19:41 OldCoder Phones used to... 19:41 Calinou mauvebic: in france some carrier sells 2hour + unlimited SMS for 2 euros/month 19:41 OldCoder just sit there on the wall 19:41 OldCoder They were round 19:41 Calinou we're the country where carriers are the cheapest in the world, AFAIK 19:41 OldCoder No keyboards or videos. They went "Ring!" when there was a call. 19:41 Calinou (and it can be free if you're in that carrier's ISP) 19:41 mauvebic yeah but is it subsidized? 19:41 Calinou no, it's not a MVNO 19:41 mauvebic i knew wine was cheap there 19:42 Calinou wine would be more expensive 19:42 mauvebic we pay 12$ for something thats considered cheap here lol 19:42 Menche my phone can take pictures! you can't transfer them directly, but for a fee the carrier will email them to you 19:42 Calinou mauvebic: $12 for how many hours? :P 19:42 Menche lol 19:42 OldCoder I always think WINE when I see the word... as in Windows 19:42 * OldCoder will return later. BackupCoder will look in. 19:42 mauvebic cheap wine is only good for sangria lol 19:42 mauvebic or cooking 19:42 Calinou wine sucks, it runs trackmania nations forever fine with no glitches, DAE agrees? 19:43 mauvebic well its the kind of high value, non environmentally destructive industry we should have more of here 19:43 mauvebic microbrewing has been taking off for a few years tho 19:43 Calinou suddenly: AMD headquarters and factories are moving to canada 19:44 mauvebic molson and labbatt and other generic beers taste like pisswater by comparison 19:44 Calinou then drink pisswater 19:44 Calinou trollface.jpg 19:44 mauvebic Calinou> suddenly: AMD headquarters and factories are moving to canada 19:44 Calinou that was a joke :p 19:44 mauvebic thats cuz robots are becoming cheaper than chinese 19:45 * Calinou replied to a post made by an AMD employee a few days ago on phoronix 19:45 Calinou guess what; he got mad when I said nvidia was better 19:45 mauvebic http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/01/17/0116233/a-humanoid-robot-named-baxter-could-revive-us-manufacturing 19:45 kaeza marktraceur, is there a tag for an inline "This section needs expansion"? Or should I use {{cn}}? 19:46 PilzAdam Calinou, "* Added particles when digging blocks (Jeija)" is Jeija & PilzAdam 19:46 marktraceur VanessaE: Can you remind me how the Mese transition was settled on? Does crafting mese give you one crystal or more? 19:46 marktraceur kaeza: You should create templates for those 19:46 marktraceur kaeza: {{cn}} is defined on wikipedia, not in MediaWiki 19:46 Calinou PilzAdam: kay 19:46 kaeza marktraceur, I already defined {{cn}} 19:47 kaeza (sort of) 19:47 mauvebic crystal mese like crystal meth, is a highly addictive form a mese 19:47 mauvebic *of 19:47 kaeza marktraceur, is this correct? http://dev.minetest.net/Template:cn 19:49 marktraceur kaeza: Looks good to me. You could also create e.g. {{needsexpansion}} and/or {{ne}} 19:50 marktraceur Big ol' yellow
with bold text that will surely scare any passing user into helping expand the section 19:51 Calinou offtopic, but I wonder what's the difference between the quality settings in nvidia-settings 19:52 Calinou I get 900FPS instead of 700FPS on hallo on sauerbraten with high performance instead of high quality 19:52 Calinou but they do not affect anisotropic filtering and anti-aliasing... 19:52 mauvebic 900 FPS? 19:53 mauvebic mine always maxes at 60 lo0l 19:53 Menche is there any advantage to having the FPS higher than the monitor refresh rate? 19:54 Calinou mauvebic: you eanbled vsync? 19:54 VanessaE marktraceur: dig a mese crystals in stone "ore" object to get one crystal. craft 9 of those into a regular default:mese block, or craft one crystal by itself to get 9 fragments. blocks can also be found rarely at Y-1024. 19:54 Calinou Menche: other than having lower input-vs-video latency, no, I normally limit to 65FPS 19:54 Calinou saves a lot of power 19:54 VanessaE the "ore" replaces what used to be the old mese from -1024 up to -128. 19:54 VanessaE bbiab 19:55 marktraceur VanessaE: If I have existing mese blocks in an inventory, what happens to them? 19:55 VanessaE nothing, they remain mese blocks and are usable in old recipes 19:55 VanessaE they just look better now :) 19:56 mauvebic i need vsync for vlc 19:56 kizeren2 Okay, I have two chests connected with transport tube. How do I begin the transfer? 19:56 Jordach VanessaE, "define" better 19:56 mauvebic cuz vlc 2 sucks 19:56 Menche is it too late so suggest a compromise for the mese issue? 19:56 Calinou "High Quality - This setting results in the best image quality for your applications. It is not necessary for average users who run game applications, and designed for more advanced users to generate images that do not take advantage of the programming capability of the texture filtering hardware." 19:56 mauvebic vlc outright denied my bug reports for a year until a dozen comments with similar situations showed up lol 19:57 mauvebic i guess thats how long it took for the major dists to catch up with arch's vlc version 19:58 thexyz lolvlc 19:58 Calinou I see no difference between both, heh 19:58 Jordach thexyz, better than anything you can come up with 19:58 * Calinou switches to high performance 19:58 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/kUzlm.jpg 19:58 thexyz Jordach: lol, sure 19:58 mauvebic what are these comparisons of? 19:58 mauvebic (too small) 19:59 mauvebic the only things i like about vlc over the others is the sound eq (full bass and treble) along with the easy remote control setup 19:59 Jordach the best thing about vlc is the no hassle codecs, everything is already there when needed. 19:59 mauvebic like alot of linux apps, they usually have one useful feature each, but none of them put it all together lol 20:00 thexyz ^^ http://i.imgur.com/BmF52.jpg 20:00 * Jordach slaps thexyz with a large Fishbot 20:02 kizeren2 VanessaE: You can't craft the item transport filter object? 20:02 thexyz mauvebic: what's too small? 20:02 PilzAdam gtg; bye 20:02 thexyz Jordach: windows user spotted 20:02 mauvebic i saw 3 windows but i couldnt tell which app was which 20:03 Calinou just look at the window titles.. 20:03 Calinou vlc is at top right 20:03 thexyz oh, the bottom one is mplayer, the left one is mpc-hc 20:05 mauvebic i dont know what decoder/driver youre using, but vlc doesn't blur for me 20:05 thexyz that screenshot is not mine 20:05 mauvebic i had issues with horizontal and diagonal tearing though 20:05 thexyz apparently, it's some 10-bit video 20:06 mauvebic horizontal tearing with my old ati radeon xpress 200 20:06 mauvebic diagonal with the new nividia i put in to replace it lol 20:06 Jordach VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64140#p64140 20:06 Jordach SPilzard? 20:07 Jordach did you mean: Spilzard? 20:07 mauvebic vlc used to be the best though, dont know wtf theyve been doing for the last 6-8 years tho lol 20:08 thexyz Jordach: nobody cares about CaPiTaLiZaTiOn 20:08 rubenwardy bye 20:08 rubenwardy bye 20:08 thexyz bye 20:09 Calinou bye 20:09 thexyz slowpoke.xcf 20:09 Calinou ln -s slowpoke.xcf debianuser.xcf 20:13 kaeza can I have your input on this one? http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_node 20:13 kaeza It's not finished yet 20:14 kaeza comments* 20:14 sapier needs to be more "visible" 20:14 thexyz better use lists 20:15 sapier there need's to be a section where you can get all important information with one look 20:15 thexyz like *drawtype — Specifies how the game engine is to draw the node. See Node Drawtypes for more information. 20:16 kaeza ok 20:16 thexyz also texturename.png 20:16 thexyz texturename, etc, etc 20:16 sapier text is bad for technical documentation .... most ppl don't wanna read it 20:18 sapier and of couse if 10 different programmers read same text you'll get 10 oppinions what this text says 20:23 marktraceur One, for example, might say "That's not how you spell opinion" 20:23 marktraceur :) 20:24 kaeza is this better? http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_node#Node_definition 20:24 kaeza I think I should use tables... 20:27 thexyz use — instead of -- 20:27 thexyz and instead of "none" use none 20:28 thexyz { r=255, g=0, b=0, a=128 } → { r=255, g=0, b=0, a=128 } 20:28 thexyz btw, we also have #minetest-doc 20:29 kaeza oh thanks 20:29 mauvebic and about half a dozen MI6 level channels lol 20:29 kaeza and sowwy 20:29 thexyz np 20:34 BackupCoder quiet atm 20:35 Jordach OldCoder, yup 20:36 NakedFury http://techne.zeux.me/3cefa59 little fishies 20:37 Leuthihi sapier: Hello. Are there any known issues with your mod? I'm trying it in xyz's build (0.4.4.d1) but all I get are the pink bombs - even if I disable them via the mobf_settings GUI. Spawning a clownfish manually worked, though. "listactivemobs" crashes the server. 20:39 sapier you might need latest github version ... I'll se why listactivemobs crashes server 20:40 sapier what version did you try? latest github or last official one? 20:41 Leuthihi I used xyz's build from... let me check 20:41 Leuthihi 14.01.2013 20:41 sapier should be fine 20:41 sapier maybe you do have spawning disabled 20:42 sapier call /mobf_settings 20:42 sapier on settingss page 20:42 Leuthihi no, it's enabled. 20:43 Leuthihi I also tried "secondary spawning". 20:43 sapier singleplayer or client server? 20:43 Leuthihi client server 20:44 sapier settings aren't saved by server 20:44 sapier you need to create a config file in singleplayer mode 20:44 Leuthihi ah. 20:44 sapier at least until my patches to make server save settings are merged to core 20:45 Leuthihi so I start singleplayer, change the settings and then the server again? 20:45 Leuthihi animal spawning was enabled by default, though 20:46 sapier yes but make sure server uses same config file 20:46 sapier did you disable some mobs? 20:51 Leuthihi sapier: I tried to disable the creeper (it was the only mob that spawned) 20:53 sapier mobs do only spawn on new generated areas 20:53 sapier in generated areas they only spawn with secondary spawn algorithm (at least some of them) 20:54 sapier this is due to old spawning algorithm populating existing worlds did cause lots of lag in new worlds 20:58 Leuthihi Strange. Now that I changed the settings again (this time in singleplayer), I can't load the world (with the mod) anymore. 20:58 mauvebic psychedelic http://www.zimg.eu/i/3438299854 20:58 Leuthihi I also tried "secondary spawning". 20:58 sapier what error message do you get? 20:59 sapier secondary spawning is very very rare you most likely won't see a mob spawning for hours 21:00 Leuthihi Adding animal sheep ... blah ... 21:00 Leuthihi 21:58:51: ERROR[main]: C:\Users\Xandra\Documents\Downloads\minetest-0.4.4-win32\minetest-2013.01.14-61f5ca6b16\bin\..\games\minet 21:00 Leuthihi est_game\mods\sapier-animals_modpack-a475eed\animal_sheep\init.lua: 21:00 Leuthihi 21:58:51: ERROR[main]: ...ame\mods\sapier-animals_modpack-a475eed\mobf/api.lua:122: attempt to index field 'register_spawn' (a nil 21:00 Leuthihi value) 21:01 sapier hmm maybe there's a bug in secondary spawning 21:01 sapier haven't used it for some time 21:01 Leuthihi where does it save the settings? 21:02 sapier minetest.conf 21:03 jojoa1997 what is the command to make server tell plyer something when using a command block from mesecon 21:04 Leuthihi sapier: Ok. So I commented out "# mobf_animal_spawning_secondary = true" and now I can load the world again. 21:05 sapier ok I'll have a look why secondary spawning crashes 21:05 sapier I've already found bug for listactivemobs 21:05 sapier will be fixed in github soon 21:06 Leuthihi great 21:07 sapier ok found and fixed secondary spawning too ... was a copy n paste error 21:10 sapier is it working for you now? 21:10 sapier at least in new worlds and new areas you should have mobs 21:11 babyface1031 PNG warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image what does this mean 21:14 sapier you've got a different png version 21:15 Leuthihi sapier: I found the bug 21:15 sapier can you tell me? 21:15 Leuthihi sapier: it's in api.lua at line 122 and line 123 21:15 Leuthihi mobf_spawn_algorithms.register_spawn[mob.spawning.algorithm_secondary].register_spawn needs to be mobf_spawn_algorithms[mob.spawning.algorithm_secondary].register_spawn 21:16 sapier yes thats the copy n paste error I mentioned before 21:16 Leuthihi that ".register_spawn" seems to be from a copy and paste error 21:16 Leuthihi ah ok. :) 21:16 sapier remove ".register_spawn" and it won't crash anymore 21:16 Leuthihi I investigated it too and didn't see that you found it yourself already. 21:17 sapier still secondary spawning isn't quite common and recomended 21:17 sapier in fact only sheep does secondary spawning 21:18 Leuthihi the problem is that we already explored a quite large area, so we can't find any animals. 21:18 Leuthihi We'd love to have sheep and cows and chicken and the like, though. 21:19 Leuthihi but all we got is the pink bomb (creeper) 21:19 Leuthihi which seems to spawn rather often 21:19 Leuthihi (also on already discovered areas) 21:20 sapier but it should spawn at night only? 21:20 sapier what mobf version do you have github version or latest from forum thread? 21:20 Leuthihi yes at night 21:21 BillyBlueHat Cows please :D 21:21 Leuthihi I took the github version 21:21 sapier ok and you added it to an existing world? 21:22 Leuthihi I added it to the "minetest\mods" (so practically to all existing and all future worlds) 21:22 sapier you should add it to a game but that isn't source of error. 21:22 sapier but the world you're playing is an old one? 21:23 Leuthihi well, how old is old? 21:23 Leuthihi It's a few days old 21:24 BillyBlueHat The world already existed before the mod was applied 21:24 sapier old is if it was created prior you did copy mobf to that folder ;-) 21:24 Leuthihi then yes 21:24 sapier ok then there will be no mobs within parts of this world that have been there prior you did copy it 21:26 sapier except that pink bomb ... but that's a bug 21:27 sapier but it explains why you do only see the bomb 21:27 BillyBlueHat Leuthihi: Found a sheep 21:27 sapier secondary spawner 21:28 sapier so at least this seams to work :-) 21:34 mauvebic car http://www.zimg.eu/i/1160896080 21:36 Leuthihi would be nice to have some command which spawns a bunch of random animals near all players (or near the player issuing the command) 21:36 cosarara97 hi 21:36 Leuthihi well, thanks for your help, sapier 21:38 sapier put it as feature request issue to github so it won't be lost 21:40 cosarara97 I've been a long time "away" (without playing minetest), what is the 3d player status? 21:41 sapier completed 21:41 sapier as well as 3d mesh entities 21:41 cosarara97 mesh entities? 21:41 sapier 3d models mesh based 21:41 sapier with animation 21:42 cosarara97 so no nodebox cows any more? 21:43 sapier no but not all mobs are mesh based ... it's a lot of work to do for any of it 21:44 sapier have a look at mobf github page to see what mobs are still not "meshed" ;-) 21:44 mauvebic http://www.tutorialsforblender3d.com/Models/index_Models.html 21:46 sapier won't quite help finding a suitable model and creating armature and texture will take aproximatly same time as doing all 21:46 sapier but if someone wants to create a model still missing I don't refuse it 21:47 NakedFury what style are you going for with the mobs? 21:49 sapier haven't decided for time beeing anything is accepted as long as model size isn't tooo big 21:49 sapier most mobs are block style 21:51 marktraceur Cube pigs! 21:51 marktraceur (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCwhzwG7VVY) 21:52 NakedFury http://techne.zeux.me/ 21:52 NakedFury nice collection of block style mobs 21:52 NakedFury for MC java but we can check them out 21:55 sapier still you have to recreate in a format minetest can load 21:55 NakedFury yeah but checking them out can give nice ideas of how to do some of the animals or mobs 21:56 NakedFury or just to check how it would look 21:56 sapier of course ... but adding models for already existing mobs has priority 21:56 NakedFury ohh yes. sort of monster freeze. until the current ones are covered no new mobs 21:59 sapier exactly 22:23 BackupCoder uberi hi 22:23 Uberi o/ BackupCoder 22:34 LAD im so hipper 22:34 LAD hiper? 22:34 LAD idk 22:34 LAD im trying to say what hapends when you get realy fast after eating alot of of suger 22:35 marktraceur hyper. 22:35 LAD but i hav't had sugar im hiper because of my new map that i've worked realy hard on 22:35 LAD and thank you 22:35 Uberi LAD: nice, what kind of map? 22:35 marktraceur Gambit: Hi! 22:36 LAD Uberi one i'll direct you to post 22:37 LAD ever herd of the minecraft map Cluster Chunk by three_two?? 22:38 LAD well i saw it on youtube and i thought hmm i wana redue that into a minetest version so i did 22:38 LAD not the best copy but pretty good i think 22:38 LAD well any ways here is the post 22:38 LAD http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4486 22:38 LAD NOTE:the map is not done yet but it's very close 22:39 Uberi whoa sweet 22:39 LAD XD 22:39 LAD i gave up on it for some time now 22:40 LAD but i desided ima start working on it again 22:41 LAD i think (not to brag or anything) it's one of the coolest PvP maps out there 22:44 Uberi I like a bit of skyblock myself, personally 22:44 Uberi don't think it works for PvP, but it's really fun 22:49 LAD this is kinda of like skyblock i guess 23:19 Kacey hello 23:22 Kacey PING 23:23 marktraceur PONG 23:23 Kacey haha 23:23 * Kacey is figuring out mapgen 23:23 marktraceur Kacey: Any luck? 23:23 Kacey little bit 23:24 mauvebic ugh i hate recaptcha, i had to fill out the same form 12x 23:25 Kacey haha 23:27 marktraceur mauvebic: Don't blame reCaptcha for something a random web developer did wrong 23:27 Kacey chasing cars... fun ^_^ 23:28 marktraceur Good band. 23:28 mauvebic i just find them annoying lol like flash intros a few years bacl 23:28 mauvebic *back 23:30 Kacey flash! AHAH 23:30 Kacey lol 23:31 mauvebic this is brilliant web design: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3021792996 23:31 Kacey brilliant 23:35 kizeren So finally got transport tubes setup 23:36 kizeren But when the item reaches the destination it "pops" out of the chest?? 23:37 Kacey technic? 23:41 kizeren The updated pipeworks. 23:42 Kacey ooh 23:42 Uberi hey LAD, you made command block textures? 23:44 LAD yup 23:44 LAD just made them now 23:44 Uberi LAD: I made the original ones, we can open a poll to see which one the users want 23:44 LAD did't like the old one 23:44 BackupCoder hi 23:44 LAD oh lolz 23:44 Uberi hey BackupCoder 23:44 LAD no efenc to you though 23:45 Uberi LAD: nah I understand :) 23:45 LAD XD 23:45 LAD i like black and sleeq stuff 23:45 Uberi LAD: anyways we'll see whether users like it, and if they do we'll replace them 23:46 LAD ok 23:49 LAD Uberi do you want me to make the poll?? 23:49 Methuselah sure, LAD 23:49 LAD ok 23:53 LAD sorry can't make the poll tonight i'll do it tommorrow 23:57 Kacey hi Menche 23:57 Menche hi 23:58 Kacey am i still moderator on your server 23:58 Menche yes 23:59 kaeza hey Menche 23:59 kaeza sup?