| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: I tutored it for three years in college and have written it....a few times |
| 00:00 |
marktraceur |
Big projects, I tend to do in JS/Python/PHP/something else |
| 00:00 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, would it be feasible to add an "implemented in <file(s)>" note in wiki pages? |
| 00:00 |
Uberi |
hmm |
| 00:00 |
Uberi |
I can work on that |
| 00:00 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: That will likely be one of my setup tasks |
| 00:01 |
kaeza |
to direct users to the correct place when in doubt |
| 00:01 |
Uberi |
considering I won't be able to do many of the other tasks |
| 00:01 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: That is to say, setting up a bunch of templates for that sort of thing |
| 00:01 |
marktraceur |
{{implementation|<headerfile>|<cppfile>}} |
| 00:01 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, k |
| 00:01 |
kaeza |
^_^ |
| 00:01 |
marktraceur |
{{stub}} |
| 00:02 |
marktraceur |
{{subclassof| |
| 00:02 |
marktraceur |
{{instanceof|<type>}} |
| 00:02 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, don't forget a simple {{implementation|<luafile>}} |
| 00:03 |
kaeza |
for things that are fully implemented in Lua |
| 00:03 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Hm. I may need to do {{implementation cpp}} and {{implementation lua}}, then |
| 00:03 |
Kacey |
i might take a gander at the mapgen and see if i can screw with it ^_^ |
| 00:04 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: Would it be feasible to include http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto in the devwiki? (if not, it's cool) |
| 00:04 |
Menche |
once i mad a sloppy hack to the mapgen that created huge, epic mountains |
| 00:04 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: It would make these templates much more readable |
| 00:04 |
Menche |
*made |
| 00:04 |
marktraceur |
Kacey: Woo! Good luck! |
| 00:04 |
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| 00:04 |
Menche |
by that I mean, I changed one number :P |
| 00:05 |
mauvebic |
i would like to add a few suns lol |
| 00:05 |
* kaeza |
puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head :3 |
| 00:05 |
Menche |
I know some basic c++, but I'm pretty helpless when it comes to the minetest code |
| 00:05 |
marktraceur |
Menche: That's pretty cool, man. Were they really steep, or just big? |
| 00:05 |
Kacey |
maybe a flat map would be in order |
| 00:05 |
* NekoGloop |
purrs |
| 00:05 |
kaeza |
hey Neko |
| 00:05 |
kaeza |
whassup? |
| 00:05 |
marktraceur |
Menche: Hopefully we can help you :) |
| 00:05 |
Menche |
marktraceur: steep, but if you don't make it too crazy their not bad |
| 00:05 |
NekoGloop |
Doing something entirely unrelated to minetest. |
| 00:06 |
Kacey |
i have a c++ irc bot |
| 00:06 |
Menche |
marktraceur, in constants.h, change WATER_LEVEL or something like that to something negative |
| 00:06 |
marktraceur |
Hm |
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| 00:06 |
Menche |
-50 to -80 was the best |
| 00:06 |
marktraceur |
Menche: The idea being that the mountains start lower, but go to greater heights |
| 00:07 |
marktraceur |
Er, the same heights |
| 00:07 |
Menche |
yes, but that's not entirely it. the shorelilne is stretched downward |
| 00:07 |
erlehmann |
i want a mod with a moon |
| 00:07 |
erlehmann |
made of moonstone |
| 00:07 |
erlehmann |
and meteorites |
| 00:07 |
Menche |
i forget exactly, its been awhile |
| 00:07 |
marktraceur |
erlehmann: Then we can evolve our Jigglypuffs! |
| 00:07 |
marktraceur |
(there's a euphemism in there somewhere) |
| 00:07 |
Menche |
one neat side effect: it doesn't effect nyancats, so you get flying nyancats :D |
| 00:08 |
kaeza |
Menche, want something epic? tweak it to not generate stone |
| 00:08 |
erlehmann |
anyone going to OHM 2013 in nederlands? |
| 00:08 |
Menche |
kaeza: time to dig some dirtAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 00:08 |
erlehmann |
Menche, I hacked the minetest code in 2011, it is actually quite easy. whet you wanna do? |
| 00:09 |
kaeza |
Menche, you get completely "hollow" mountains :3 |
| 00:09 |
mauvebic |
radically different worlds (geologically) |
| 00:09 |
Kacey |
instead of stone... MESE BLOCKS!!!!! |
| 00:10 |
Menche |
erlehmann: well, I hacked sealevel down to -50 to get mountains, however it would be nice if i could do that w/o changing the y value |
| 00:10 |
mauvebic |
using background images, setting or removing the sun/moon, etc. lol |
| 00:10 |
marktraceur |
Menche: You could still dig down, you'd just need to do it very shortly, then hop down on mineral veins |
| 00:10 |
kaeza |
RealBadAngel tweaked the cave generation to use MESE blocks instead of air for a test |
| 00:10 |
NekoGloop |
Replace default:dirt with default:stone on mapgen |
| 00:10 |
Menche |
Kacey: you can do that, check mapgen.lua |
| 00:10 |
NekoGloop |
Replace default:stone with __builtin:air |
| 00:10 |
mauvebic |
you can just put 'air' |
| 00:10 |
kaeza |
it was silly to see chunks of MESE blocks floating in the sky ^_^ |
| 00:10 |
Kacey |
haha |
| 00:10 |
erlehmann |
Menche, http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-giant-mountain.png |
| 00:10 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:11 |
erlehmann |
14-Jul-2011 13:22 |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
erlehmann: good luck seeing mountains like that anymore |
| 00:11 |
* Kacey |
personally misses the sky islands |
| 00:11 |
marktraceur |
Good times. |
| 00:11 |
Menche |
erlehmann: ah, I really miss the really old mapgen |
| 00:11 |
* NekoGloop |
puts a kitten on VanessaE's head |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
mapgen don't do that :-) |
| 00:11 |
* VanessaE |
puts the kitten in OldCoder's pile. |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
mapgen don't do that anymore, I mean |
| 00:11 |
erlehmann |
i made axles and gears too but they never were put to use http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/screenshots/games/minetest/minetest-axles-gears.png |
| 00:12 |
Menche |
i remember my first minetest game, the mountains were as realistic as a nyancat but EPIC |
| 00:12 |
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| 00:13 |
kaeza |
when I first tried minetest, there were jungles, but then, the desert nation attacked |
| 00:13 |
Menche |
erlehmann: i saw animated axles and gears pre-modding api, is that it? |
| 00:13 |
mauvebic |
mountains, canyons and valleys you can build cities in, not just houses :-) |
| 00:13 |
Menche |
i *really* want jungles, dungeons, and the 0.3 mobs back |
| 00:13 |
marktraceur |
Jungles would be great to have back, actually |
| 00:13 |
mauvebic |
i dont miss those lol |
| 00:14 |
erlehmann |
Menche, i made the graphics, teddydestodes coded it and abandoned it. |
| 00:14 |
marktraceur |
Dungeons, I can live without |
| 00:14 |
erlehmann |
jungles are gone? |
| 00:14 |
Menche |
and not those new L-system jungles, they don't have dense enough leaves for a good treehouse |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
Menche: I dunno, a nyancat can be somewhat realistic.... http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/nc_front.png |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
erlehmann: moretrees mod replaces them. |
| 00:14 |
mauvebic |
mobs move downtown, trash the neighbourhood, and cause surburban sprawl |
| 00:14 |
Kacey |
i miss the mossy cobblestone structures that appeared around the map... |
| 00:14 |
kaeza |
oh right, VanessaE and her HDX... |
| 00:14 |
Menche |
erlehmann: yes :'( |
| 00:14 |
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| 00:14 |
erlehmann |
lol VanessaE |
| 00:15 |
marktraceur |
Kacey: See also dungeons :) |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
erlehmann: but still yeah a lot has changed. |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
Menche: you can plant jungle tree saplings btw |
| 00:15 |
Menche |
my opinion: no matter how many px you use, minetest will never be that realistic. I think it looks silly to use more than 32px |
| 00:16 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, I-WANT-JUNGLES-ON-MAPGEN!! :'( |
| 00:16 |
Menche |
i mean, the world is made of 1yd by 1yd CUBES |
| 00:16 |
marktraceur |
You may as well spend that extra power generating smaller nodes |
| 00:16 |
marktraceur |
0.5 metres per node |
| 00:16 |
mauvebic |
i have a steady and growing collection of ndeboxes lol |
| 00:16 |
kaeza |
1m per node is more realistic |
| 00:17 |
NekoGloop |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XTCh6qBy5s random |
| 00:17 |
Kacey |
how does hmmmm understand the mapgen code?!?!?!?!?! |
| 00:17 |
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| 00:17 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: But not as fine! You could multiply the number of nodes by 8 to get a more realistic-looking world, because you can interact with smaller parts of it |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: modify the moretrees mod to create saplings on mapgen, and turn the ABM interval and chance down to 1 on the growing ABM. |
| 00:18 |
Menche |
the old jungle+dungeon code was added back to the main repo, could someone PLEASE merge that branch |
| 00:18 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, YAY let's make a world where you can directly modify the molecules that make up the terrain |
| 00:19 |
Menche |
lets make it so there's 1000 nodes to where 1 is now! building a small house = years |
| 00:19 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Obviously not :) |
| 00:19 |
marktraceur |
Menche: I guess a big part of this might be to also build tools that allow you to put down or pick up more than one node at a time :) |
| 00:19 |
Menche |
marktraceur: yes. that would be absolutely necessary :) |
| 00:20 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, stairs+ also provides some half-a-node sized blocks |
| 00:20 |
Kacey |
whatever happened to the tree_prop.png thing? |
| 00:20 |
Menche |
stairs+ nodes are really hard to craft |
| 00:20 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Yes, but then wherever you put the node, that whole space is taken up |
| 00:20 |
Menche |
Kacey: enable_farmesh=1 |
| 00:21 |
Kacey |
in minetest.conf? |
| 00:21 |
Menche |
Kacey: yes |
| 00:21 |
Kacey |
alright |
| 00:21 |
Menche |
it's sorta annoying though, it needs work |
| 00:21 |
Kacey |
would that boost fps? |
| 00:22 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, use stairsplus, make code to detect the exact pos where the player is pointing at, remove that part and replace the node with one equivalent to it with the part removed, ???, profit |
| 00:22 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: If you have two nodes that are each cubes with edges of 0.5 metres, you can't put two of them in the same 1x1x1 metre space |
| 00:22 |
Uberi |
:O |
| 00:22 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Without really complex special treatment from the mod :) |
| 00:22 |
marktraceur |
Maybe this could be a library. |
| 00:22 |
Uberi |
I could modify my raycaster function to do that |
| 00:23 |
Uberi |
detect the pointed part, I mean |
| 00:23 |
marktraceur |
But the selection box wouldn't work. |
| 00:23 |
marktraceur |
You'd have the entire node selected |
| 00:23 |
Uberi |
oh right |
| 00:23 |
kaeza |
I have been tinkering with code to detect the exact "pos" the player is digging |
| 00:23 |
kaeza |
to make "clickable buttons" |
| 00:23 |
kaeza |
(more than a button per node) |
| 00:23 |
marktraceur |
Oooh. |
| 00:24 |
* NekoGloop |
puts a kitten on Uberi's head |
| 00:24 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: I guess detect their yaw and position, plus some trigonometry |
| 00:24 |
Menche |
anyone play construder? i think that would be a better way to craft stairs+ nodes |
| 00:24 |
Uberi |
:O |
| 00:24 |
* Uberi |
puts a puppy on NekoGloop's big toe |
| 00:24 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, exactly |
| 00:24 |
NekoGloop |
Personally I think RedPower2 is what we need to go for |
| 00:24 |
marktraceur |
Now *that* is cool, kaeza. |
| 00:24 |
kaeza |
but I'm bad at trigonometry, so scraped the whole idea |
| 00:25 |
Menche |
I'm working on trig right now :) |
| 00:25 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: No, absolutely not, I forbid it |
| 00:25 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: I will help if you need it |
| 00:25 |
Uberi |
kaeza: marktraceur: https://gist.github.com/3125280 |
| 00:25 |
Uberi |
this lets you get the exact point the cursor is pointing at in node space |
| 00:25 |
marktraceur |
Sweeeeet. |
| 00:25 |
kaeza |
nice |
| 00:26 |
Uberi |
I guess some lua-fu could finesse it into something like the buttons thing |
| 00:26 |
kaeza |
Uberi, you should only need to return the pos in 2d space and the face the player is clicking |
| 00:27 |
Uberi |
yeah I suppose so |
| 00:28 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Unless you wanted more than one row of buttons |
| 00:28 |
sema4 |
Menche: how does construder do stairs? |
| 00:28 |
kaeza |
make that into a stand-alone function to be included into minetest |
| 00:28 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Or a library that you can depend on.... |
| 00:28 |
Dogzilla131 |
kaeza: pm me |
| 00:28 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, agreed |
| 00:28 |
Menche |
sema4: it doesn't have stairs; i was referring to it's crafting. it has 3d crafting |
| 00:28 |
marktraceur |
And we're back to package management |
| 00:29 |
marktraceur |
(it's 2013 and I don't install software manually anymore, thanks) |
| 00:29 |
sema4 |
oh i see |
| 00:29 |
Menche |
sema4: crafting recipes are 3d structures: you lay out a crafting surface, build the structure, then punch the crafting surface to complete |
| 00:30 |
Menche |
would make more sense for making stairsplus nodes |
| 00:30 |
Menche |
you could build a large model of the desired nodebox, then get some of that nodebox |
| 00:31 |
Uberi |
holy moly construder looks awesome |
| 00:31 |
Menche |
*some nodes with that nodebox |
| 00:32 |
sema4 |
i was thinking about something like that -- real time generation of nodebox dimensions in game rather than having them predefined in lua |
| 00:33 |
Menche |
unfortunately, you cannot define nodes on the fly, so the patterns would have to be mapped to predefined nodes |
| 00:33 |
NekoGloop |
Entities. |
| 00:33 |
Menche |
Entities suck. |
| 00:33 |
NekoGloop |
Life sucks. |
| 00:33 |
sema4 |
shouldn't be a big problem to add new nodes at runtime (even if game does not do it now) |
| 00:33 |
Menche |
*using entities for nodes sucks |
| 00:34 |
Menche |
damage works differently, you can't walk on them |
| 00:34 |
sema4 |
and you could export the required lua for new nodes so thay they reload next startup |
| 00:34 |
Menche |
sema4: i had that idea, thats the best you can do currently i think |
| 00:34 |
marktraceur |
Wow, none of this sounds like a good idea |
| 00:35 |
NekoGloop |
Wow, you sound like you have one. |
| 00:35 |
Kacey |
where do i find the code to spawn a nyan cat? |
| 00:35 |
NekoGloop |
Could you share? |
| 00:35 |
Menche |
the best would be to map the patterns to predefined nodes |
| 00:35 |
Menche |
Kacey: mapgen.lua (in default) |
| 00:35 |
sema4 |
the problem is.. you know, very large number of possible nodebox frame coordinates. :> |
| 00:35 |
Menche |
Kacey: at least i think thats it |
| 00:35 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: No, but defining potentially 125 * ( number of nodes in the game ) is a bad idea (and that's only for a 5x5x5 nodebox grid) |
| 00:36 |
Menche |
sema4: well, for stairs+ it would only be 2x2x2 |
| 00:36 |
marktraceur |
Hm. |
| 00:36 |
sema4 |
oh yeah, if you put limitations like that then you're safe |
| 00:36 |
marktraceur |
Even 2x2x2 sounds like a lot |
| 00:36 |
Menche |
but it would be amazing if you could have a scanner mod that makes a nodebox model of your house |
| 00:36 |
NekoGloop |
So 8 * (1 per minetest.registered_nodes entry) |
| 00:37 |
marktraceur |
NekoGloop: Maybe only those in a certain group? |
| 00:37 |
NekoGloop |
marktraceur: sure |
| 00:37 |
marktraceur |
Can we get registered {items,nodes,crafts} by group? |
| 00:37 |
Menche |
i like the idea of saving the nodebox to a list and having the nodeboxes registered on restart |
| 00:37 |
marktraceur |
(without nasty linear search?) |
| 00:38 |
NekoGloop |
No but you can iterate through the list, and record which ones have it |
| 00:38 |
sema4 |
but with your method wouldn't the nodeboxes all be predefined? you're just chaning how you place the desired nodebox ("crafting" it in place) |
| 00:38 |
sema4 |
chanGing |
| 00:38 |
Kacey |
compiling minetest... |
| 00:39 |
Kacey |
going to make seed + 0 |
| 00:39 |
Kacey |
= |
| 00:39 |
Menche |
or just /set fixed_map_seed 0 |
| 00:40 |
Kacey |
would /set seed 0 work in game? |
| 00:40 |
Menche |
you would have to then exit and create a new world, but yes |
| 00:40 |
Menche |
it's "fixed_map_seed" |
| 00:41 |
Menche |
sema4: my idea was basically an alternate way of crafting for the starisplus mod |
| 00:41 |
sema4 |
yeah |
| 00:41 |
Menche |
cuz I'm tired of filling my inv with preliminary blocks |
| 00:41 |
sema4 |
yeah that's understandable |
| 00:41 |
NekoGloop |
handsaws. |
| 00:41 |
sema4 |
i have been working in creative mode and it's a nuisance having 20 paeges of blocks to srch through |
| 00:44 |
init |
damn |
| 00:44 |
Uberi |
no no, it's not 8 * nodes |
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| 00:44 |
Uberi |
it's 2 ^ 8 nodes |
| 00:44 |
NekoGloop |
why? |
| 00:44 |
Uberi |
or rather, 255 nodeboxes per node |
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Uberi |
NekoGloop: because 8 only includes the combinations with one part in them |
| 00:45 |
init |
view_bobbing_amount = 20.0 |
| 00:45 |
init |
== segfault |
| 00:45 |
Uberi |
255 to correctly account for every possible combination |
| 00:45 |
Uberi |
minus the blank one, which is air |
| 00:45 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 00:45 |
Uberi |
256 - 1, not accounting for rotations |
| 00:45 |
Uberi |
hey OldCoder |
| 00:45 |
OldCoder |
o/ |
| 00:45 |
Menche |
Uberi: well you wouldn't have all combos |
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Kacey |
hi OldCoder |
| 00:46 |
Uberi |
Menche: but then you couldn't build like with LittleBlocks? |
| 00:46 |
Menche |
just the ones from stairs+, was my idea |
| 00:46 |
Uberi |
ah |
| 00:46 |
sema4 |
facedir allows you to elimiate 3/4 of them |
| 00:46 |
init |
oh |
| 00:46 |
Uberi |
sema4: not quite that many, but quite a few, yeah |
| 00:46 |
Menche |
Uberi: well, that would be incredibly annoying, even if you had all the possible combos |
| 00:47 |
Menche |
manually crafting each 2x2 section |
| 00:47 |
Uberi |
Menche: I'm thinking LittleBlocks style :) |
| 00:48 |
Uberi |
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/730795-147smp-little-blocks-mod-2021-copying-wand-and-more-530kdls/ |
| 00:48 |
NekoGloop |
which I cant miss an oppourtunity for this: |
| 00:48 |
NekoGloop |
holy shit compact redstone |
| 00:48 |
Menche |
each block would still be only one node for the purposes of placing them, so it would be pretty difficult |
| 00:49 |
sema4 |
well it would be more than 3/4 since some things like slab don't really need facedir. *shrugs* |
| 00:49 |
Menche |
now, add the fact that each micronode can be a different material to you're equation |
| 00:50 |
Uberi |
Menche: yeah it's pretty nontrivial |
| 00:50 |
Menche |
how many defs would you need? lol |
| 00:50 |
Uberi |
2^8^MATS |
| 00:50 |
Uberi |
this gets infeasible very fast |
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| 00:50 |
sema4 |
wow does little blocks use nodebox or some other method? |
| 00:51 |
Menche |
and littleblocks is 8x8x8 rather than 2x2x2 |
| 00:51 |
Menche |
i cannot comprehend numbers that big |
| 00:52 |
Menche |
so, 8^8^[# of material types]? |
| 00:52 |
kaeza |
BEST COMMENT EVAR!! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64115#p64115 |
| 00:52 |
Menche |
yaay |
| 00:52 |
Uberi |
it's just a mind boggling number, yes |
| 00:52 |
Kacey |
2^2^2^2 i win !!!!!! |
| 00:53 |
Uberi |
heheheh |
| 00:54 |
Menche |
remembered seeing that picture and just HAD TO find and use it |
| 00:54 |
NekoGloop |
Menche: that is still remarkably easy to press |
| 00:54 |
Kacey |
not this little caps lock button |
| 00:54 |
NakedFury |
add a scorpion programmed to sting who ever presses caps lock |
| 00:54 |
Kacey |
i can barely press it without spikes |
| 00:55 |
sema4 |
oh silly me, it;s MC, not MT. |
| 00:55 |
Uberi |
sema4: yeah it's some wierd tile entity |
| 00:57 |
Oblivion1500 |
hello everyone , how are you guys doing today? |
| 00:58 |
marktraceur |
Oblivion1500: Pretty well! How are you? |
| 00:58 |
Oblivion1500 |
im doing good, just getting my bash skills in haha |
| 00:58 |
kaeza |
Menche, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64138#p64138 |
| 00:59 |
Menche |
yeah |
| 00:59 |
Oblivion1500 |
i just learned how to edit my bashrc in mint |
| 00:59 |
init |
BTW, did I mention using proper punctuation and sentence structure? |
| 00:59 |
Menche |
also, sometimes I ignore topics with CAPSLOCK and/or poor grammar in the title |
| 00:59 |
init |
hahahaha |
| 00:59 |
Oblivion1500 |
its not the same as other distros took me a wile to find the file had to do a search for it |
| 01:00 |
Menche |
mint has a different bashrc? |
| 01:00 |
init |
Oblivion1500: the .bashrc is in the same place, in every distro |
| 01:00 |
Oblivion1500 |
where? |
| 01:00 |
Menche |
~/.bashrc |
| 01:01 |
Oblivion1500 |
yea well mine is in the etc folder |
| 01:01 |
Oblivion1500 |
so your wrong |
| 01:01 |
Uberi |
must be a Mint thing |
| 01:01 |
Menche |
/etc/skel? |
| 01:01 |
init |
nop |
| 01:01 |
Oblivion1500 |
no just /etc |
| 01:01 |
init |
i think he means some /etc/profile |
| 01:01 |
Menche |
the .bashrc template is in /etc/skel, i had to copy it over |
| 01:01 |
Menche |
/etc/profile != ~/.bashrc |
| 01:01 |
kaeza |
Oblivion1500, .bashrc is ALWAYS in your home |
| 01:02 |
init |
Menche: ik, but i don't think Oblivion1500 knows that |
| 01:02 |
init |
/etc == systemwide |
| 01:02 |
init |
~ == userwide |
| 01:02 |
Menche |
you should be able to edit your own bashrc, it would be silly to have it in etc |
| 01:02 |
Oblivion1500 |
yea but thats the onlyone that will do anything to my term |
| 01:02 |
Oblivion1500 |
i can edit, with the sudo command |
| 01:02 |
Menche |
well yeah |
| 01:02 |
kaeza |
Oblivion1500, fun fact: files starting with a dot are not normally shown unless you use ls -a or View->Hidden files |
| 01:03 |
init |
i can get a kernel panic with sudo |
| 01:03 |
Oblivion1500 |
yes i know that |
| 01:03 |
init |
so what, sudo == root == you can do everything |
| 01:03 |
Kacey |
92% made |
| 01:03 |
Menche |
i prefer ls -A with a capital A, it doesn't show the . and .. |
| 01:04 |
Uberi |
Menche: but those are sort of useful! not really... |
| 01:04 |
Oblivion1500 |
here hold on i will show you |
| 01:04 |
Menche |
cd .. to go up a directory, cd . if you just like executing commands for the heck of it |
| 01:04 |
Menche |
anyway you know they're always there |
| 01:05 |
kaeza |
Oblivion1500, if .bashrc does not exist in your home, you should create it manually |
| 01:05 |
Menche |
jk, ./[some script] is useful |
| 01:05 |
Kacey |
file INSTALL cannot set permissions on "/usr/local/share/minetest/builtin" |
| 01:05 |
Kacey |
huh? |
| 01:05 |
Oblivion1500 |
whats the diff if its in my home or not? |
| 01:05 |
kaeza |
Kacey, did you do sudo make install? |
| 01:05 |
init |
[22:02:14] <init> /etc == systemwide |
| 01:05 |
init |
[22:02:30] <init> ~ == userwide |
| 01:05 |
Menche |
Oblivion1500: you can only edit stuff in your home |
| 01:06 |
init |
already said. /etc is for the entire system, ~ is for your user |
| 01:06 |
Kacey |
crap |
| 01:06 |
Menche |
Oblivion1500: of course you can use sudo, but that should be used carefully, only when necessary |
| 01:06 |
init |
in a "1-user" system it doesn't really matter, well, but having to use sudo for editing something what doesn't really need it... is just an useless thing what you shoud avoid |
| 01:06 |
Uberi |
ls `yes` is a better way of listing all your files :P |
| 01:06 |
Oblivion1500 |
hmm, well let me do this, just copy the bash.bashrc file over to home? |
| 01:06 |
kaeza |
lol on Puppy Linux you are ALWAYS root by default |
| 01:06 |
Menche |
perhaps I shouldn't be talking about safety, i edit files as root all the time... |
| 01:07 |
Oblivion1500 |
or just the text to .bashrc? |
| 01:07 |
kaeza |
epic security phail |
| 01:07 |
init |
kaeza: isn't puppy linux a "live system" mainly? |
| 01:07 |
kaeza |
init, nope |
| 01:07 |
init |
in my liveusb i have sudo without password |
| 01:07 |
kaeza |
it can be installed |
| 01:08 |
Menche |
puppy runs entirely in RAM |
| 01:08 |
Menche |
i think |
| 01:08 |
Oblivion1500 |
nobody? or should i just make a blank .bashrc? |
| 01:08 |
kaeza |
Menche, it can be installed in "frugal" mode |
| 01:08 |
Menche |
creating the .bashrc should work |
| 01:08 |
kaeza |
even alongside Windows or another distro |
| 01:09 |
Menche |
or, "cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ." to get a template |
| 01:09 |
Oblivion1500 |
do i have to add anything to it or will it just do what its suposed to do then run .bashrc? |
| 01:09 |
* Kacey |
is off to fix his flux capacitor |
| 01:09 |
Menche |
i think you have to define your PS1 in it, but if you copy the template over that should be in it |
| 01:09 |
Menche |
already |
| 01:10 |
Oblivion1500 |
cp: cannot stat `/etc/skel/.bashrc': No such file or directory |
| 01:11 |
Oblivion1500 |
its bash.bashrc |
| 01:11 |
Oblivion1500 |
i dont have any .bashrc anywhere |
| 01:11 |
Oblivion1500 |
just bash.bashrc |
| 01:11 |
Menche |
hmm, perhaps yours is different from mine |
| 01:11 |
Oblivion1500 |
i can get a template for that |
| 01:11 |
Oblivion1500 |
im using mint 14 |
| 01:12 |
Menche |
my /etc/skel has: .bash_logout .bash_profile .bashrc .xinitrc .xsession |
| 01:12 |
Menche |
/etc/skel is copied into the new home dir when a new user is created |
| 01:12 |
Oblivion1500 |
mine has all that but with bash in the front of it |
| 01:12 |
Menche |
those are all the default files |
| 01:13 |
Oblivion1500 |
ohh, maybe because i only have one user? |
| 01:13 |
kaeza |
anyone? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4469 |
| 01:13 |
Menche |
i do to, shouldn't have anything to do with it |
| 01:13 |
Menche |
*too |
| 01:14 |
Menche |
http://pastebin.com/VbW5gW2E is what is in my /etc/skel/.bashrc. is your bash.bashrc similar? |
| 01:15 |
* Menche |
notices that #minetest has become a linux help channel |
| 01:15 |
Oblivion1500 |
lol mine has that pluss alot more |
| 01:15 |
Oblivion1500 |
i mean i know its what my term uses because i edited it |
| 01:16 |
Oblivion1500 |
and it showed on my next term sesion |
| 01:16 |
kaeza |
I would be tempted to say → #linuxmint but meh |
| 01:16 |
Oblivion1500 |
they dont know shit |
| 01:16 |
Oblivion1500 |
i get more help here than i do there |
| 01:16 |
Oblivion1500 |
see i didnt need help and i got it here |
| 01:17 |
kaeza |
oook |
| 01:17 |
kaeza |
O.o |
| 01:17 |
Oblivion1500 |
if i ask for help there i wont get squat for about an hour and somebody will say something stupid |
| 01:18 |
sema4 |
how does WTFPL differ from public domain ? |
| 01:18 |
kaeza |
sema4, public domain is not valid on all countries |
| 01:18 |
Menche |
public domain is not a licence; WTFPL and CC0 are ways of using the public domain |
| 01:18 |
kaeza |
(legally speaking) |
| 01:19 |
sema4 |
interesting, OK. |
| 01:19 |
sema4 |
is CC0 equivalent to WTFPL ? |
| 01:19 |
Menche |
personally, I prefer CC0. It's essentially the same (i think) but sounds more professional |
| 01:19 |
sema4 |
hehe |
| 01:19 |
Menche |
doesn't have profanity in it XD |
| 01:19 |
init |
WTFPL sounds better >:D |
| 01:19 |
sema4 |
also, i am teaching my 7yo to mod and don't want him to have to refer to 'fuck' :> |
| 01:19 |
Menche |
CC0 basically waives all exclusive rights |
| 01:20 |
Oblivion1500 |
fudge |
| 01:20 |
Menche |
so anyone can do anything with your work |
| 01:20 |
sema4 |
ok cool |
| 01:20 |
kaeza |
Menche, WTFPL just scares the hell out of whoever wants to ask you "can I use/modify it?" |
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| 01:20 |
henson |
i'm having a weird issue where my scree constantly drifts to the left. anyone seen that before? |
| 01:20 |
Menche |
ya, basically cuss at someone to tell them they can use it |
| 01:20 |
kaeza |
the answer is simply "YES" |
| 01:21 |
Menche |
"you can do **** *** **** you want to" |
| 01:21 |
sema4 |
henson: laptop with touchpad? |
| 01:21 |
henson |
sema4: yup :-) |
| 01:21 |
Menche |
henson: i have had that problem before, let my find the forum thread... |
| 01:21 |
Menche |
henson: try moving the window around and try fullscreen. |
| 01:22 |
Menche |
it's a weird bug that appears randomly, it's probably really hard to fix |
| 01:22 |
sema4 |
i don't think it's minetest specific, i have it in google maps/earth all the time |
| 01:22 |
henson |
Yup! Moving the window around fixed it |
| 01:22 |
Menche |
i *might* have noticed a correlation between it and changing my video driver |
| 01:23 |
Menche |
the forum thread, if interested -> http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1267 |
| 01:23 |
Menche |
unfortunately theres not much more info there |
| 01:24 |
Menche |
would you, by any chance, be using the nouveau driver? that's all I can think of |
| 01:24 |
henson |
I'm running the opensource ati driver -- which also has its issues |
| 01:25 |
Menche |
ah. I don't have any machines with ATI cards |
| 01:25 |
init |
lucky Menche |
| 01:26 |
NekoGloop |
If you have a gamecube you do. |
| 01:26 |
Menche |
i haven't seen the error for a while, and i've been using the proprietary nvidia drivers for a while, there *may* be a correlation, i forget exactly when it stopped doing that |
| 01:26 |
Menche |
performance wise, the latest nouveau actually runs minetest quite well |
| 01:30 |
sema4 |
henson: don't rule out the touchpad. if it keeps happening, try external pointing device. |
| 01:30 |
marktraceur |
Possibly useful to some people here: http://dustycloud.org/blog/on-hackers-and-depression |
| 01:33 |
Menche |
my minetest started the weird turning whenever I hit the touchpad; using a real mouse fixed it and worked fine |
| 01:35 |
kaeza |
this guy is plagiarizing all mods: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64141#p64141 |
| 01:36 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: "plagiarizing" is a strong word, since the license explicitly allows him to do what the fuck he wants to |
| 01:36 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Protip, license your mods under something that requires attribution |
| 01:36 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, maybe yes |
| 01:36 |
kaeza |
but you get the point |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
I try to always give attribution even with WTFPL code. |
| 01:37 |
kaeza |
the guy just took special_tools by jojoa and released it as his own creation |
| 01:37 |
init |
that is why i like a license like GPL |
| 01:37 |
kaeza |
that is legal under WTFPL, but not entirely moral |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
"new owner" in the topic... |
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* init |
takes kaeza's irc mod and releases it as exioirc mod v2 |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
jojoa did say he doesn't plan to continue it, and I believe he did say Likwid was welcome to take over |
| 01:38 |
kaeza |
go ahead :) |
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| 01:39 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, then why not post in the original topic |
| 01:39 |
kaeza |
? |
| 01:39 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: dunno |
| 01:42 |
Uberi |
that's why you don't use the WTFPL |
| 01:42 |
Uberi |
you remain legally liable for your code |
| 01:42 |
kaeza |
<marktraceur> Possibly useful to some people here: http://dustycloud.org/blog/on-hackers-and-depression |
| 01:42 |
Kacey |
backz |
| 01:43 |
Uberi |
if the user's system goes awry, they can sue you (they won't win, of course, but court costs can add up) |
| 01:43 |
kaeza |
that's a really nice article |
| 01:43 |
init |
Uberi: for me WTFPL is just k for "short codes" |
| 01:44 |
kaeza |
Uberi, the WTFPL offers no guarantees whatsoever IIRC |
| 01:44 |
kaeza |
warranties* |
| 01:44 |
init |
for a entire mod doing more than "adding a command" or anything, other licences are a lot better |
| 01:45 |
kaeza |
Maybe I should release IRC as a more restictive license in the next major version? |
| 01:45 |
kaeza |
is this legal? |
| 01:45 |
Uberi |
kaeza: yes, but it doesn't actually say so |
| 01:45 |
Uberi |
kaeza: you own the code, of course you can use whatever license you want |
| 01:45 |
Uberi |
kaeza: for example, the GPL explicitly says, "no express or implied warranty" |
| 01:45 |
Uberi |
that means you are not legally liable for what your users do |
| 01:46 |
kaeza |
I mean, the code will still be free, but I don't want every f*cktard out there copying it and not giving credit |
| 01:46 |
kaeza |
It's not my work alone |
| 01:46 |
init |
every free/open licence i had read has the "no warranty" thing |
| 01:46 |
Uberi |
init: but not the WTFPL |
| 01:47 |
Uberi |
even 3 clause BSD has it |
| 01:47 |
init |
:P |
| 01:47 |
init |
kaeza: what licence do you think for the next "release"? |
| 01:49 |
Uberi |
kaeza: personally I recommend AGPL, but you might also consider CC or BSD/MIT |
| 01:49 |
Uberi |
kaeza: AGPL would force anyone who made changes to it to also make their changes public |
| 01:49 |
kaeza |
IDK, I want it to be basically "you can do whatever you want, but the original is mine and you are not to misrepresent it's ownership" |
| 01:49 |
Kacey |
i make all my mods in wtfpl |
| 01:50 |
Uberi |
kaeza: sounds like you probably want to go for BSD then |
| 01:50 |
Menche |
kaeza: what about CC BY? |
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| 01:51 |
init |
i don't know how CC works in code |
| 01:51 |
Menche |
ah, right, they aren't recommended for code |
| 01:51 |
kaeza |
hmm |
| 01:51 |
Uberi |
yeah it;s more for art and writing and stuff |
| 01:51 |
VanessaE |
cc-by-sa is fine for code |
| 01:51 |
Menche |
does that apply to lua though? most of the problems were with object code and linking |
| 01:51 |
Uberi |
I'd still go with dedicated software licenses though |
| 01:51 |
Menche |
whether or not you can link a certain code with other stuff |
| 01:52 |
Uberi |
you don't want to end up with loopholes |
| 01:52 |
Menche |
*GPLs are too restrictive for my taste |
| 01:52 |
Uberi |
and after all, the minetest API and lua are a sticky bunch |
| 01:52 |
Menche |
BSD probably |
| 01:52 |
kaeza |
Menche, agreed |
| 01:52 |
Uberi |
is it a derivative work because it uses the MineTest API? |
| 01:52 |
kaeza |
GPL is too restrictive |
| 01:52 |
Menche |
it has to be compatible with LGPL, though, to be included in the main mientest game |
| 01:52 |
Uberi |
yes, BSD would do that |
| 01:53 |
Menche |
the FSF is a bit too radical i think |
| 01:53 |
Menche |
and their licenses |
| 01:53 |
Oblivion1500 |
still on this topic huh? |
| 01:53 |
init |
GPL is very restrictive, because it "removes" one freedom thing for keeping/forcing the others |
| 01:54 |
kaeza |
I don't like GPL because it makes derivative works open source |
| 01:54 |
kaeza |
IIRC |
| 01:54 |
Menche |
yes |
| 01:54 |
init |
yep, and i like it because that |
| 01:55 |
Menche |
i want people to be able to make a proprietary fork of mine if they wish, as long as they credit me |
| 01:55 |
kaeza |
Menche, that's basically what I want |
| 01:55 |
init |
in that case we are talking about "personal things" |
| 01:55 |
Menche |
i did use LGPL for one of my mods, i didn't know the if i could relicense the minetest code i used |
| 01:56 |
Menche |
is that legal? |
| 01:56 |
Oblivion1500 |
a question, what do i need ipv6 for? |
| 01:56 |
Menche |
i know LGPL code can be "used with" a work of a different license, but does that count? |
| 01:56 |
Menche |
Oblivion1500: currently nothing |
| 01:56 |
Uberi |
Menche: you cannot relicense code that you do not own without permission |
| 01:56 |
Oblivion1500 |
wow, so i can disable it |
| 01:56 |
Oblivion1500 |
thanks |
| 01:57 |
bwsrjr_ |
i'm pretty new. anyone have a server with a free spot? |
| 01:57 |
Menche |
Uberi: LGPL code can be "used with" code of a different license, would that apply? |
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Menche |
it was meant to allow linking |
| 01:57 |
sema4 |
good night |
| 01:57 |
init |
Menche: put the LGPL code in other file |
| 01:57 |
kaeza |
okay, seems like nobody gives a fck about my lava suit :( |
| 01:57 |
init |
and load it from your non-LGPL code :P |
| 01:57 |
* Kacey |
is going to duct tape on this mouse cord... |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
Kacey: jeez give it some time |
| 01:58 |
Oblivion1500 |
i think the lava suit is pretty cool |
| 01:58 |
mgodzilla |
where all the white women at? |
| 01:58 |
VanessaE |
mgodzilla: Blazing Saddles. |
| 01:58 |
Uberi |
Menche: yep, as long as the code is independent |
| 01:58 |
Kacey |
it keeps falling off of my tv tra and annoying me |
| 01:58 |
mgodzilla |
hehe |
| 01:58 |
Oblivion1500 |
but is it debugged |
| 01:58 |
mgodzilla |
excuse me while I whip this out... |
| 01:58 |
kaeza |
Oblivion1500, care to leave a comment to BUMP the topic? :P |
| 01:58 |
Oblivion1500 |
can you use it and still get hit by players and it not heal |
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| 01:59 |
Kacey |
menche.servegame.com not working |
| 01:59 |
kaeza |
Oblivion1500, once the engine supports a way of finding what caused damage to the player, yes |
| 01:59 |
Menche |
Kacey: i was rebuilding minetest, it will be up in a few minutes, sorry |
| 02:00 |
Kacey |
ooh ok |
| 02:00 |
Kacey |
speaking of which, i must do that also |
| 02:00 |
Kacey |
0.4.4d1 here i come |
| 02:00 |
Oblivion1500 |
commented! |
| 02:00 |
Menche |
in the probably vain hope that compiler optimizations would help... I know, I know, they don't make that much difference, yell at me if you want |
| 02:00 |
bwsrjr_ |
i'm connecting to mt1.gameboom.net PORT: 30000 |
| 02:01 |
kaeza |
Menche can you give a link to the BSD license? |
| 02:02 |
* kaeza |
is too dwwunk now to google for it |
| 02:02 |
Menche |
kaeza: im not sure, search for it |
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Menche |
kaeza: i believe there are several |
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kaeza |
Menche I will see what I find |
| 02:03 |
Kacey |
how do i delete a hidden file? |
| 02:03 |
Uberi |
magic |
| 02:03 |
Kacey |
nvm i got it |
| 02:03 |
Menche |
Kacey: if you can see it, just like any other file |
| 02:03 |
Menche |
rm [file], or press CTRL-H in most file managers to show them |
| 02:03 |
Kacey |
i couldnt see it but i knew the path |
| 02:03 |
Kacey |
i hit ctrl+h |
| 02:04 |
Menche |
then rm [path] |
| 02:04 |
Menche |
hidden files are just ordinary files with a . at the start of their name |
| 02:04 |
kaeza |
Kacey, easy: rm -fr /* |
| 02:05 |
kaeza |
DON'T DO IT ^^ |
| 02:05 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 02:05 |
Menche |
...don't actually use that command, of course |
| 02:05 |
Kacey |
dobedobedobe |
| 02:05 |
Uberi |
also: ls `yes` |
| 02:05 |
Menche |
actually that would return an error, 'cus you forgot "sudo" |
| 02:05 |
kaeza |
Menche, woops :) |
| 02:06 |
Kacey |
where do i get 0.4.4d1? |
| 02:06 |
Menche |
Kacey: latest git |
| 02:07 |
Kacey |
okiedokie |
| 02:07 |
kaeza |
Oblivion1500, thx |
| 02:07 |
kaeza |
brb |
| 02:08 |
Kacey |
now to compile... |
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| 02:08 |
Menche |
Kacey: menche.servegame.com:30000 is back up. map's still not ready though |
| 02:08 |
kaeza |
bacj |
| 02:08 |
Kacey |
new map or old map? |
| 02:08 |
kaeza |
back, even |
| 02:08 |
Menche |
old |
| 02:08 |
Kacey |
alright |
| 02:09 |
init |
wb kaeza :P |
| 02:09 |
Menche |
i think i'll do the worldedit on my other computer, don't think my poor server will like such large worldedits |
| 02:09 |
kaeza |
thx :P |
| 02:09 |
Kacey |
do you have the coords of my castle? |
| 02:09 |
Menche |
no |
| 02:09 |
Kacey |
just go out past my city |
| 02:09 |
kaeza |
since mark* (not traceur) is not here, I can safely use Pidgin ^_^ |
| 02:09 |
Kacey |
(I FORGOT THE NAME OF MY CIT!!!!) |
| 02:09 |
Menche |
the server was lagging with just me on earlier, that worries me |
| 02:10 |
Menche |
it wasn't really bad, but was annoying |
| 02:11 |
Kacey |
haha |
| 02:11 |
Menche |
minetest has been requiring more and more resources |
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Kacey |
oops |
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Menche |
before the stable 0.4.0, my netbook ran minetest w/o problems |
| 02:11 |
Kacey |
it did |
| 02:12 |
Kacey |
alright i have an old dell |
| 02:12 |
Menche |
VanessaE said a bug was causing the increased CPU usage |
| 02:12 |
Kacey |
how do i change video cards? |
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Uberi |
Menche: before 0.4.0, there was no modding API |
| 02:12 |
Menche |
Uberi: wrong |
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Uberi |
Kacey: you open your computer, take out the old one |
| 02:12 |
Uberi |
then put the new on in |
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Menche |
i was referring to the 0.4.dev versions |
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Uberi |
Menche: hmm? |
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Kacey |
where is it? |
| 02:13 |
Uberi |
ah, I see |
| 02:13 |
Menche |
0.4.dev, before the stable |
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Uberi |
Kacey: desktop or laptop? |
| 02:13 |
Uberi |
Menche: if you really want to get to the bottom of it, I suppose a git bisect could do it |
| 02:13 |
Menche |
i have *no* idea what that means, unfortunately |
| 02:14 |
Uberi |
basically you go back in time by half the amount of commits, recompile, test again |
| 02:15 |
Uberi |
binary search to find the exact commit where it started going wrong |
| 02:15 |
Uberi |
it's time consuming but definitely works |
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NekoGloop |
May I ask a question which has absolutly nothing to do with minetest? |
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Uberi |
you just did |
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Menche |
shouldn't be too hard, i noticed the lag right after the 0.4.0 release |
| 02:16 |
Menche |
that was quite a question, lol |
| 02:16 |
Uberi |
ah, so you'd start with the range of a late dev, all the way to the stable |
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* Menche |
clicks through a bunch of pages on github to get back that far |
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init |
what about git log? :P |
| 02:19 |
Uberi |
Menche: no need! just use `git bisect` |
| 02:19 |
Uberi |
it's a command that does it for you |
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* Menche |
knows only the most basic git commands |
| 02:19 |
Menche |
lol |
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Dogzilla131 |
kaeza: hi |
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erlehmann |
what is this i don't even https://plus.google.com/photos/107197012694498284899/albums/5819778001563048513?banner=pwa |
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marktraceur |
kaeza: markveidemanis? |
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kaeza |
hehe |
| 02:21 |
Menche |
erlehmann, that mauvebic's stuff? |
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* Kacey |
is going to fix a pentium 4 ht |
| 02:21 |
kaeza |
marktraceur: may I PM? |
| 02:21 |
erlehmann |
Menche, which server? |
| 02:21 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Yuuuup |
| 02:21 |
bwsrjr |
What are some good mods for a newbie like myself to check out? |
| 02:21 |
Menche |
looks like stuff mauvebic made in a private world |
| 02:22 |
Menche |
bwsrjr: moreblocks, moreores, plantlife, xpanes are good |
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erlehmann |
bwsrjr, do you want to code mods or use mods? |
| 02:22 |
bwsrjr |
Thanks, Menche! |
| 02:22 |
bwsrjr |
erlehmann: Just start off by using them ;-) |
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Uberi |
bwsrjr: MESECONS! |
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Kacey |
http://www.clemsco.com/media/f/a207917127ac99591b2bef_m.JPG i have to work with that... |
| 02:23 |
Menche |
how could I forget mesecons? yes, of course |
| 02:24 |
Uberi |
and WorldEdit if you're into serious building |
| 02:24 |
bwsrjr |
Uberi: MESECONS it is! |
| 02:24 |
Menche |
*shameless self plug* and desert uses, to make deserts make sense |
| 02:25 |
Menche |
3dforniture to make trees round, add furniture, among other things |
| 02:25 |
Uberi |
bwsrjr: WorldEdit also if you're planning to make adventure maps |
| 02:27 |
bwsrjr |
is there a folder in the user's directory (linux) that i can drop mods into? just don't want to put them system-wide |
| 02:28 |
Menche |
bwrjr: if it's installed, not run in place, then ~/.minetest/mods/minetest |
| 02:28 |
Oblivion1500 |
so obama signs an act to comend the 2nd amendment.. whats up with that noob |
| 02:28 |
Menche |
bwsrjr: create the folders if they don't exist |
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Dogzilla131 |
kaeza: 2 types per fur block color |
| 02:29 |
Menche |
Oblivion1500: didn't he sign like 23 or so? |
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Dogzilla131 |
6 color blocks |
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Dogzilla131 |
kaeza: 12 in total fur blocks |
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Uberi |
yeah the amendment makes corporations not people or something |
| 02:29 |
Oblivion1500 |
im sure he did, thing is that just sucks first i found out Jesus himself named obama to be the anti christ than this |
| 02:30 |
Uberi |
I'm personally reserving all judgement until I do some research |
| 02:30 |
Menche |
well that just, uh, citation needed |
| 02:31 |
Oblivion1500 |
what language did Jesus speek? |
| 02:31 |
Menche |
Oblivion1500: likely Koine Greek |
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Uberi |
why, Penguin, of course |
| 02:32 |
Oblivion1500 |
none |
| 02:32 |
Oblivion1500 |
of those |
| 02:32 |
Oblivion1500 |
really google it |
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Kacey |
he spoke gibberish lol |
| 02:32 |
Uberi |
IF Fleet Common? |
| 02:32 |
Menche |
Koine Greek was the language at the time |
| 02:32 |
Uberi |
Elvish? |
| 02:32 |
kaeza |
LOLspeak |
| 02:32 |
Uberi |
I bet it would be cool if it was all in Envish |
| 02:33 |
Oblivion1500 |
Aramaic n008's |
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Menche |
well, maybe latin, it was during the Roman occupation |
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mauvebic |
someone made my taskbar flash :/ |
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kaeza |
hi mauvebic |
| 02:33 |
mauvebic |
howdy |
| 02:33 |
Oblivion1500 |
hold on let me get something for everybody,, im sure you will like this |
| 02:33 |
Menche |
Oblivion1500: i though aramaic was older |
| 02:33 |
Menche |
like early OT |
| 02:34 |
Menche |
Koine was what the NT was written in |
| 02:35 |
* Menche |
needs to check his history |
| 02:35 |
Oblivion1500 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgHUZXgNAWo |
| 02:35 |
Menche |
of course the NT was written later, of course |
| 02:35 |
Oblivion1500 |
watch that and be amazed |
| 02:36 |
Oblivion1500 |
and if you dont beleave it translate it your self |
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mauvebic |
i thought the tabletop was peeling when i washed it but two seconds later it was fine :/ more coffee |
| 02:41 |
Oblivion1500 |
everyone is bussy trying to figure out if that video is true? |
| 02:42 |
Menche |
sry, can't watch it at the moment, i will |
| 02:42 |
Oblivion1500 |
you will want too |
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Kacey |
haha it is true |
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Oblivion1500 |
told you, and also he admited himself he wasent born in the US wich is required if you want to be president.... |
| 02:44 |
Menche |
true, he isn't qualified |
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Kacey |
i must go night aall |
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Kacey |
all, even |
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Menche |
bye |
| 02:46 |
Oblivion1500 |
too late |
| 02:46 |
Menche |
1 instant too late... |
| 02:46 |
mauvebic |
who isn't qualified? |
| 02:47 |
Menche |
we were talking about obama, #minetest going offtopic yet again |
| 02:47 |
mauvebic |
oh, well |
| 02:47 |
mauvebic |
if you need more incompetent politicians, canada has a surplus |
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Menche |
he's not the antichrist, just a really poor leader |
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mauvebic |
the lesser of two evils tho lol |
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VanessaE |
the US already has a bumper crop of them |
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mauvebic |
if romney had been a bit more center-right he would have gotten it, but w/ paul ryan, lol forget it |
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* kaeza |
randomly pings brandyJewell |
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Oblivion1500 |
Menche: did you not see the video? |
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* VanessaE |
wonders just who brandyJewell is :) |
| 02:50 |
Menche |
not yet |
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mauvebic |
in quebec we have technically a left wing party and a center-left party lol |
| 02:50 |
Menche |
i was rooting for santorum, then he dropped out, then gingrich, then he dropped out, then romney, then he lost |
| 02:50 |
mauvebic |
and various attempt at right-wing parties that dont last more than a decade |
| 02:50 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: here it's about the opposite. what we call "left" is more like "just right of center", and what we call "right" is "batshit insane." |
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kaeza |
VanessaE: Brandy is a new player to MT |
| 02:51 |
kaeza |
\o/ |
| 02:51 |
Menche |
nah, its the left who are batshit insane. us right people are sane |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
cool :) |
| 02:51 |
mauvebic |
you have to admit tho |
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kaeza |
well...not quite "new" |
| 02:51 |
mauvebic |
ill take blowjobs in the whitehouse and a good economy over two wars and a depression any day |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
Menche: you have a weird definition of "sane" and "insane" :-) |
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* Menche |
counts down to flamewar, maybe we should stop this |
| 02:52 |
mauvebic |
if you look at the various stats, its the GOP thats driven the biggest deficits in the last 30 years |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 02:53 |
mauvebic |
raegans' tax cuts and subsequent increases exemplify that |
| 02:53 |
Menche |
ya, like tax increases will help anything |
| 02:53 |
mauvebic |
you guys already pay the least taxes of all industrialised nations and you still bitch? |
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VanessaE |
mauvebic: marketing. :-) |
| 02:54 |
Menche |
imo, taking a mese pickaxe to entitlements will do the most to help the situation |
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mauvebic |
until you need old age pensions and healthcare, then youll vote dem |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
Menche: fair warning - without entitlements, abe and I would be dead. |
| 02:55 |
BackupCoder |
hey |
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mauvebic |
its not the entitlements that are killing you, its the gestapo at every airport, ferry and soon to be bus terminal thats costing a fortune |
| 02:55 |
Menche |
why is the gov't in the insurance business anyway |
| 02:55 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: that's not the half of it. |
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mauvebic |
they callem VIPR squads i think |
| 02:56 |
mauvebic |
papers please |
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VanessaE |
Menche: because it is impossible for a middle-class person to save up the ~2 million USD it takes to comfortably retire. |
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mauvebic |
im never going to retire lol |
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mauvebic |
unless you want me to pick out a box right now |
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Menche |
the entitlements are paid for by the next generation, they can't pay for themselves |
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mauvebic |
you pay now for old people today |
| 02:57 |
mauvebic |
your kids will pay for you |
| 02:57 |
mauvebic |
or other people's kids wtv |
| 02:57 |
Menche |
would need to create money out of thin air for it to support itself |
| 02:57 |
mauvebic |
printing money is nothing new |
| 02:57 |
mauvebic |
lookup nixon shocks on wikipedia |
| 02:57 |
mauvebic |
floating rate means money ain't backed by anything |
| 02:58 |
mauvebic |
it could be worth a car today, and toilet paper tomorrow |
| 02:58 |
VanessaE |
also bear in mind that entitlements e.g. SSA and Medicare, are not part of the general "spend like we're insane" fund. |
| 02:58 |
mauvebic |
the cold war has been over for awhile but defense spending keeps going up |
| 02:58 |
VanessaE |
you could completely eliminate both without making more than a tiny dent in the deficit. |
| 02:58 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: and therein lies the biggest problem - defense spending is what is killing us. |
| 02:59 |
mauvebic |
well its also your biggest industry |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
sadly, yeah |
| 02:59 |
Menche |
entitlements are the largest area of spending |
| 02:59 |
mauvebic |
so saving the budget means shooting yourself in the foot |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
but I'd rather live with the prospect of a 1% larger unemployment rate for a while than having such a high deficit and not enough resources being spread around *inside* this country. |
| 03:00 |
VanessaE |
Menche: entitlements are mostly spent from a separate fund, not from the general fund. |
| 03:00 |
mauvebic |
whatever you think you save from cutting entitlements is money that ins't spent by old people, isn't spent in the health system either |
| 03:00 |
Menche |
btw, is this the #politics channel? i was under the impression that it was #minetest |
| 03:00 |
mauvebic |
poor and old people don't hold onto their entitlement money like rich people hold onto their money |
| 03:00 |
mauvebic |
they dont get enough to save |
| 03:00 |
mauvebic |
it all goes back into the economy |
| 03:01 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: exactly. My husband and I are both disabled. We have to live on about US $2000/month. We do okay but are far from ideal. |
| 03:01 |
mauvebic |
if you think cutting taxes for the rich is going to convince them te repoen factories that are cheaper to operate in china, you're already on the moon lol |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
fuck no it ain't. |
| 03:02 |
mauvebic |
you know what corporate america grew out of? the middle class, their savings and investments for retirement |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
all "the rich" will do is hoard more of their money. |
| 03:02 |
Menche |
if you took all the money away from "the rich", the impact on anything would be barely visible |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
(if you cut taxes) |
| 03:03 |
VanessaE |
I say tax the shit out of the rich, like we used to do about 30 years ago. |
| 03:03 |
mauvebic |
look at it this way, you could pay clinton-era taxes, and try to recreate the clinton-era prosperity |
| 03:04 |
mauvebic |
those times weren't so bad lol |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
you wanna get stinking rich on the backs of others in this country? you should have to pay put some of that *back* into the pot. |
| 03:04 |
mauvebic |
labour unions need to become transnational as are our paymasters |
| 03:04 |
mauvebic |
end this race to the bottom |
| 03:04 |
Menche |
who is to say how much money someone needs? |
| 03:04 |
mauvebic |
you know what welfare is here? |
| 03:05 |
mauvebic |
460$/mo |
| 03:05 |
Menche |
saying "the rich" only need so much is dumb |
| 03:05 |
mauvebic |
average rent is 700$ + |
| 03:05 |
Menche |
the economy sucks, yes. but tax hikes won't help anything |
| 03:05 |
mauvebic |
the problem is the rich think they themselves are solely responsible for their wealth |
| 03:06 |
VanessaE |
Menche: then how much, exactly, does a person need to truly live life to the fullest? |
| 03:06 |
VanessaE |
a billion? 10? 100? |
| 03:06 |
mauvebic |
but they stand on the shoulders of giant organizations making things happen with or without a CEO |
| 03:06 |
VanessaE |
after you get beyond a certain point, the extra money becomes obscene, not useful. |
| 03:06 |
mauvebic |
you know taxes are too low when the money isn't being put to any use at all |
| 03:06 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 03:07 |
mauvebic |
investment used to be a way to avoid taxes |
| 03:07 |
mauvebic |
with taxes so low why would anyone be so motivated to invest now |
| 03:07 |
Menche |
so, you should cede all money you don't use? |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
it still is. investments in the form of capital gains is 15%, versus some 40% for straight income tax. |
| 03:08 |
mauvebic |
no, companies should stop sitting on money |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
Menche: of course not, but you *should* cede enough money to actually help the country |
| 03:08 |
mauvebic |
you bailed them out more than they're worth its time they put it to work |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
it's called being a civilized human being. |
| 03:08 |
Menche |
imho, everyone should have the same % tax |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
I agree |
| 03:09 |
mauvebic |
pretty soon you're gonna have star-trekesque Sanctuary Districts for the unemployable |
| 03:09 |
VanessaE |
make it 20% across the board, on any and all forms of income. |
| 03:09 |
VanessaE |
the poor will pay less, the middle class about the same as now, and the rich end up paying more |
| 03:09 |
Menche |
and no loopholes and crap, the current code is freakishly complex |
| 03:09 |
VanessaE |
and everyone's happy. |
| 03:09 |
Uberi|Away |
look, can we just agree that everybody's insane? |
| 03:09 |
VanessaE |
(except the rich ;) ) |
| 03:09 |
mauvebic |
well i dont agree with a flat tax but thats another matter |
| 03:09 |
Menche |
flat tax == fair tax |
| 03:10 |
VanessaE |
flat tax in all forms of income, and progressive tax for stuff like property |
| 03:10 |
VanessaE |
(the more it's worth and the more you make, the more you pay) |
| 03:10 |
Menche |
well, actually, the gov't gives more services to the poor, so it would be fair for the poor to have higher taxes |
| 03:10 |
mauvebic |
20% of a 500$ weekly paycheck means alot more to the poor person than the rich who gets to keep 4 out of 5 million |
| 03:10 |
erlehmann |
are you all murrikans? |
| 03:10 |
mauvebic |
more services to the poor? |
| 03:11 |
mauvebic |
are you nuts? |
| 03:11 |
Menche |
erlehmann, yes. aren't we friendly and agreeable? lol |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
erlehmann: actually mauvebic is a canuck |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 03:11 |
Uberi |
hey fellow canuck o/ |
| 03:11 |
mauvebic |
most government agencies are there to provide services to industry, not the poor lol |
| 03:11 |
mauvebic |
the roads, ports, airports for freight |
| 03:11 |
mauvebic |
research grants |
| 03:12 |
erlehmann |
my ex girlfriend was an american. she was relieved when osama bin laden was murdered. |
| 03:12 |
VanessaE |
and the poor are the ones who get saddled with most of the tax burden now - seeing how there's a hell of a lot more poor than there are any other class. |
| 03:12 |
erlehmann |
err, „felt better“ |
| 03:12 |
erlehmann |
she felt relieved? |
| 03:12 |
erlehmann |
i cannot into englishing! |
| 03:13 |
mauvebic |
most of what government does, is for industry |
| 03:13 |
Uberi |
VanessaE: solidarity! unity! liberty! |
| 03:13 |
mauvebic |
welfare is a tiny-ass fraction of the budget, but its all the GOP wants to talk about lol |
| 03:13 |
erlehmann |
FOR FREEDOM AND LOLIS! |
| 03:13 |
Menche |
where is the #minetest channel? i must have stumbled on #politics |
| 03:13 |
erlehmann |
dunno. |
| 03:13 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: of course. it's all about scaring people. |
| 03:13 |
erlehmann |
why are you talking politics? |
| 03:13 |
erlehmann |
don't you have a cellular automaton to program? |
| 03:13 |
mauvebic |
because some people dont know their history :p |
| 03:13 |
Menche |
i actually forget who started it |
| 03:14 |
Menche |
todays logs should be interesting |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
"You get a bunch of middle-aged, middle-class, middle-income voters and you tell talk to them about an easier time, and say THAT person is to blame for your lot in life." |
| 03:14 |
Menche |
oh, oblivion said obama is the antichrist |
| 03:14 |
Menche |
and posted a video to "prove" it |
| 03:14 |
erlehmann |
oh well |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
(and I blew the quote, but good enough) |
| 03:14 |
mauvebic |
well its all about identity politics now (divide and conquer) |
| 03:14 |
Menche |
then it all went from there |
| 03:14 |
erlehmann |
mauvebic, you are so clever. |
| 03:14 |
erlehmann |
OBAMA IS THE BLACK JESUS |
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| 03:15 |
Uberi |
O_o |
| 03:15 |
erlehmann |
(let me go eat soup while all of you rage on) |
| 03:15 |
mauvebic |
so long as the people blame eachother for their miseries they dont look at the companies, the titans, the officials |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
why does anyone even talk about the president when it's the legislative branch that's supposed to be the ones doing all the hard work anyway? |
| 03:15 |
mauvebic |
erlehmann you sound like markv or neko |
| 03:17 |
Uberi |
VanessaE: the judicial branch! we need to fix that! |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 03:17 |
Menche |
*checks title* yep, still on #minetest |
| 03:17 |
erlehmann |
miniseries. the world is miniseries. |
| 03:18 |
mauvebic |
actually i find the world repeats itself |
| 03:18 |
erlehmann |
VanessaE, the president has these flying killer robots. |
| 03:18 |
VanessaE |
I thought the world was just a simulation... |
| 03:18 |
mauvebic |
alot |
| 03:18 |
mauvebic |
like doctor who lol |
| 03:18 |
* Menche |
has hacked real-life fly privs |
| 03:18 |
mauvebic |
from the great recession to new imperialism to the next depression and the world wars |
| 03:18 |
erlehmann |
go read richard stallmans political notes for more discussion material http://www.stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html |
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Uberi |
oh neat erlehmann |
| 03:19 |
erlehmann |
stallman is actually a very reasonable philosopher |
| 03:19 |
* Menche |
thinks stallman is too radical |
| 03:19 |
erlehmann |
not the raving maniac he is made out to be by some [danger weasel word] |
| 03:19 |
mauvebic |
i thought i read somewhere that RMS was a douche |
| 03:19 |
erlehmann |
Menche, why? |
| 03:19 |
Menche |
mainly about software, i don't always agree with him |
| 03:20 |
erlehmann |
Menche, where do you not agree? |
| 03:20 |
* Menche |
is about to get in trouble for not doing enough research |
| 03:20 |
erlehmann |
if you did not do the research, refrain from assertions |
| 03:20 |
Menche |
doesn't he think proprietary software is immoral? |
| 03:21 |
mauvebic |
but isn't he another has-been like lamo? |
| 03:21 |
Uberi |
well RMS states his mind, and I can respect that |
| 03:21 |
Uberi |
mauvebic: hey lamo is a pretty cool dude :P |
| 03:21 |
mauvebic |
he's a junky and a snitch |
| 03:22 |
* Menche |
is still wondering what happened to #minetest |
| 03:22 |
mauvebic |
they guy performed a few low level hacks and always went running to poulson to publicise the event lol |
| 03:23 |
mauvebic |
i think he saw snitching as his last chance for media spotlight |
| 03:23 |
erlehmann |
Menche, software controls the world. proprietary software prevents people using their own property as they see fit. |
| 03:23 |
mauvebic |
there is room for both types of software |
| 03:23 |
mauvebic |
you dont really want your government opensourcing all your military shit right? |
| 03:24 |
Menche |
still, the developer should choose the terms under which he releases his software |
| 03:24 |
erlehmann |
Menche, I got a raspberry pi for christmas and immediately gave it back. why? because the proprietary GPU driver will not decode MPEG-2, unless you pay ransom to MPEG guys. |
| 03:24 |
erlehmann |
Menche, is it a better world in which all software is free? i would say yes. |
| 03:24 |
erlehmann |
I am also in favor of open sourcing all military shit :3 |
| 03:25 |
Uberi |
YES |
| 03:25 |
mauvebic |
opensource military software = cheap vacation destination in 10 yrs lol |
| 03:25 |
erlehmann |
once, in university, i asked the professor how his program worked. |
| 03:25 |
erlehmann |
and he was like “you'll never understand, ima gonna give you only the binary not the source code†|
| 03:25 |
erlehmann |
i left that university. in fact, i left that city, munich. |
| 03:25 |
Uberi |
that would never fly today, I hope |
| 03:25 |
erlehmann |
:3 |
| 03:26 |
erlehmann |
it was in 2007. |
| 03:26 |
Uberi |
hey erlehmann I was born there |
| 03:26 |
erlehmann |
Uberi, i live in berlin now. |
| 03:26 |
Uberi |
sweet |
| 03:26 |
erlehmann |
Uberi, where do you live? |
| 03:26 |
Uberi |
southern Ontario, Canada, erlehmann |
| 03:27 |
mauvebic |
cool im from markham |
| 03:27 |
erlehmann |
Uberi, enjoy your french! |
| 03:27 |
Uberi |
whoa really? |
| 03:27 |
mauvebic |
french? |
| 03:27 |
mauvebic |
lol |
| 03:27 |
* kaeza |
lives in Uruguay |
| 03:27 |
mauvebic |
im the french one |
| 03:27 |
erlehmann |
it is /int/ here |
| 03:27 |
erlehmann |
OPPAN MINETEST STYLE |
| 03:28 |
mauvebic |
canada has the best 420 (what else you gonna do in winter? lol) |
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erlehmann |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture) |
| 03:29 |
Menche |
there's a forum thread about what you like on your burger, lol |
| 03:29 |
erlehmann |
intredasting |
| 03:29 |
erlehmann |
Menche, where is it? |
| 03:29 |
erlehmann |
I PROPOSE making forum.minetest.net an imageboard |
| 03:29 |
mauvebic |
cannabis is cheaper than alcohol here lol |
| 03:30 |
Menche |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4472 |
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mauvebic |
the only time i went to the states i asked why none of the bottles had proof on them, and they said "oh yeah you canadians like to drink!" lol |
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mauvebic |
though it was hard to guess how strong something was from the labels i knew nothing of lol |
| 03:34 |
* Menche |
might have found a property mod he actually likes |
| 03:35 |
Menche |
0gb.us' land claim looks pretty good |
| 03:35 |
Menche |
will have to try it |
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| 03:35 |
mauvebic |
it works per chunk i think |
| 03:35 |
Menche |
hmm |
| 03:35 |
mauvebic |
which should be better for populous servers |
| 03:36 |
mauvebic |
though it could be PITA to setup for prexisting map with already zones |
| 03:37 |
mauvebic |
though you could prolly write a simple python script to guesstimate from the current protection zones what the new scheme would look like |
| 03:37 |
Menche |
i'll have a closer look |
| 03:37 |
mauvebic |
i was thinking of using it for buying land |
| 03:37 |
Menche |
was thinking of using node metadata to store owner info, thoughts on that? |
| 03:38 |
mauvebic |
that means fetching meta for every attempt to dig |
| 03:38 |
mauvebic |
though chunk-based protection: you can deduce from the pos you already have |
| 03:38 |
Menche |
as opposed to the node_ownership way of scanning through an array for every area? |
| 03:39 |
mauvebic |
exactly |
| 03:39 |
mauvebic |
its like 1:10 processes (and im being generous lol) |
| 03:39 |
mauvebic |
cuz you have to check your pos against every entry in the array |
| 03:39 |
mauvebic |
and if you have co-ownership, you then match each name in the list |
| 03:40 |
mauvebic |
gets exponantial pretty fast |
| 03:40 |
Menche |
would fetching the metadata be more or less work than the node_ownership way? |
| 03:40 |
Menche |
i think faster, especially for a ton of areas |
| 03:40 |
mauvebic |
well with meta you only need the zones for placing nodes |
| 03:41 |
sokomine |
for large servers i still think node_ownership has to be the most efficient. it's astonishing that the protector mod works at all (though that is more user-friendly) |
| 03:41 |
mauvebic |
so a mix might be: chunk based node placement, and meta-based node protect |
| 03:42 |
mauvebic |
there are plenty of ways to do it and none of them are perfect |
| 03:42 |
sokomine |
(that is, most of the time. unless the users battle over who gets which area...but those social problems may occour no matter what's the technical method) |
| 03:42 |
mauvebic |
you can't guess what other mods will do regardless of your node protection |
| 03:42 |
Menche |
the protector mod scans the area looking for a protecor block |
| 03:42 |
mauvebic |
seems like more overhead |
| 03:42 |
erlehmann |
look, proprietary software limiting what people can do with *their* property http://raphaelwimmer.wordpress.com/2010/09/13/emotiv-epoc-brain-computer-interface-cracked-open/ |
| 03:43 |
erlehmann |
> We strongly oppose this kind of action. It violates the end user license and seriously threatens our viability. It is no exaggeration to say we may be forced to withdraw the consumer headset from the market or go out of business entirely. |
| 03:43 |
sokomine |
hm, no, the list is more or less linear i'd say. just because some ownerships are technically subownerships doesn't really change complexity |
| 03:43 |
erlehmann |
„if you make something we not approve, we will go out of business“ |
| 03:43 |
erlehmann |
harr harr |
| 03:44 |
Menche |
if you loop through a large area adding or removing metadata, will the metadata be reliably added/removed? |
| 03:44 |
mauvebic |
ah shit |
| 03:44 |
mauvebic |
meta cant really work |
| 03:45 |
mauvebic |
look at pipeworks (example) |
| 03:45 |
mauvebic |
on pipes are regularly changed for off pipes |
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TheZenKitteh |
ahoy hoy |
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Menche |
i notice that with mesecons, somethimes switching on/off "misses" |
| 03:45 |
mauvebic |
any mod that changes nodes, you'll lose your metas |
| 03:45 |
mauvebic |
unless you can account for each case |
| 03:45 |
sokomine |
0gb.us used a diffrent method imho. last time i looked he stored ownership information in a local table in the mod and was just planning/considering using metadata. but i may remember wrong |
| 03:45 |
kaeza |
back |
| 03:45 |
kaeza |
cr*p |
| 03:46 |
kaeza |
I cannot connect from Ubuntu somehow |
| 03:46 |
Menche |
ok, meta is probably not the best |
| 03:46 |
kaeza |
must be my b*tchy ISP |
| 03:46 |
sokomine |
ah, you meant for individual blocks? that might be intresting as well....would be great to know who placed which block (or if it occured naturally) |
| 03:46 |
mauvebic |
trying to meta-protect pipeworks would never work |
| 03:46 |
mauvebic |
it would have to be zone/grid/chunk based |
| 03:47 |
sokomine |
apart from those self-changing nodes - wouldn't the name of the owner blow up metadata too much? |
| 03:47 |
Menche |
i'll probably go with the node_ownership method. |
| 03:47 |
mauvebic |
not really |
| 03:47 |
Menche |
ya, is there a limit to metadata? |
| 03:47 |
mauvebic |
not compared to how many metas i use for some mods lol |
| 03:48 |
sokomine |
:-) yes. one might be worse off with players placing rows of chests |
| 03:48 |
mauvebic |
dunno, is it a TEXT field in sql? |
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erlehmann |
regarding proprietary software, “what incentive is there to buy a research edition if you can hack the 300$ version to do everything the 750$ version does?†|
| 03:49 |
erlehmann |
hehe |
| 03:49 |
sokomine |
storing the player who placed the node might still be intresting. you could blocks placed by another user be un-diggable for newcommers to your server |
| 03:49 |
Menche |
mauvebic, didn't you come up wtih something like that? stores the placer's name? |
| 03:49 |
mauvebic |
yeah someone made a mod out of it |
| 03:50 |
mauvebic |
i lost all my original work when the other drive died on the P4 (it had everything lol) |
| 03:50 |
sokomine |
iirc the whole node-data is somehow compressed and stored as a compressed binary datavalue |
| 03:50 |
* Menche |
wishes there was a way to simply do away with jerks |
| 03:50 |
mauvebic |
thats how i wound up rewriting large swathes of my old mods lol |
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Menche |
that would be the *best* grief protection |
| 03:51 |
mauvebic |
jerks ingame? |
| 03:51 |
mauvebic |
i suggested a year ago collecting stats |
| 03:51 |
mauvebic |
an dealing with players with sketchy stats |
| 03:52 |
mauvebic |
someone who places alot of lava/water in a short amount of time should be tempbanned by the mod |
| 03:52 |
Menche |
there was a project to make a collaborative blacklist |
| 03:52 |
sokomine |
hm. but stats don't work reliable. there is no way to decide weather the player just randomly spammed nodes around or weather he did build a good structure |
| 03:52 |
mauvebic |
and you add more cases |
| 03:53 |
mauvebic |
well stats tell you if someone is just diggin 99% of the time and theyre not default (resource) nodes |
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mauvebic |
imo non natural nodes should simply be undiggable for all but the owner and admins |
| 03:53 |
kaeza |
frack |
| 03:54 |
mauvebic |
think about it |
| 03:54 |
mauvebic |
anyone can dig dirt in a field |
| 03:54 |
kaeza |
this modem of mine does not want me on teh internetz |
| 03:54 |
mauvebic |
but you dont walk down a street and steal a pile of bricks easily |
| 03:55 |
mauvebic |
and when buildings are destroyed you dont end up with the same amount of pristine materials ready to build something else |
| 03:55 |
Menche |
you can't break the pile of bricks as fast as you can in mt, and you can't hide tons of said bricks in your inventory irl |
| 03:56 |
mauvebic |
well is there any legitimate reason for all nodes to be diggable by anyone? |
| 03:56 |
mauvebic |
default yeah ok |
| 03:56 |
mauvebic |
you need resources to craft things |
| 03:56 |
mauvebic |
but nodes you build shit with, should be protected |
| 03:57 |
sokomine |
one further advantage would be that you could pick up nodes placed by you again faster. a recently mis-placed block takes the same time to dig as a fresh one :-( |
| 03:57 |
Menche |
mabye using the every-block-you-place-is-yours kind of node ownership, and relying on moderators to remove spammed blocks |
| 03:57 |
NakedFury |
I can see 2 protection types: the classic area protection and block protection or making it harder for other players to take your stuff. |
| 03:57 |
Menche |
*mabye |
| 03:57 |
Menche |
*maybe |
| 03:57 |
Menche |
darn, misspelled it twice |
| 03:58 |
mauvebic |
you could even split the map in two between protected and open |
| 03:58 |
mauvebic |
though i dont see many people wanting to build in the open |
| 03:58 |
kaeza |
Menche: siht hapepns |
| 03:58 |
sokomine |
hm, rather every-block-you-place-is-yours as a start for new players. it might soon become insufficient if several players build on the same building |
| 03:59 |
Menche |
sokomine: yeah thats a problem. maybe each player can have a "trusted" list? |
| 03:59 |
sokomine |
i still don't get entirely why glowstone is stolen so frequently on redcrabs server :-( |
| 03:59 |
Menche |
but for fine-grained control of who you trust where, you need area protection |
| 03:59 |
sokomine |
yes, that would be a solution. and moderators beeing able to dig anything |
| 03:59 |
Menche |
probably |
| 04:00 |
mauvebic |
assigning entire chunks to groups or players would work out best then |
| 04:00 |
Menche |
whatever method is used, moderator intervention/supervision is a must |
| 04:00 |
mauvebic |
you wouldn't need to check for overlap |
| 04:01 |
Menche |
mauvebic: yes, anyone remember jachoo's fork? it worked like that, it was really easy |
| 04:01 |
sokomine |
or - maybe better - if the player has built for some time and gains an additional priv, the player can then remove blocks placed by others, but those get logged. this would greatly reduce the amount of blocks that need logging - since your miner which collects chests full of stacks with cobble doesn't spam with logfile entries |
| 04:01 |
Menche |
the problem is, if you want to build your house on that small hill, and the hill doesn't line up with the chunk boundaries, you need to claim land you may not use |
| 04:02 |
Menche |
s/chunk/mapblock |
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NakedFury |
a chunk protection mod also needs to include a map so you can see chunks |
| 04:04 |
kaeza |
I'm getting tired of this... o_o |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
bbl, bedtime |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
night all |
| 04:09 |
Menche |
bye |
| 04:09 |
kaeza |
night V |
| 04:09 |
Menche |
really my bedtime too... |
| 04:09 |
Menche |
maybe a few minutes more... |
| 04:09 |
kaeza |
out so soon? |
| 04:09 |
kaeza |
it's only 1:09 here |
| 04:10 |
NakedFury |
12.10 |
| 04:10 |
Menche |
8:10 |
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kaeza |
O.o |
| 04:10 |
NakedFury |
what?! |
| 04:11 |
kaeza |
brb, trying to switch to linux again |
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kaeza1 |
back |
| 04:16 |
kaeza |
back |
| 04:16 |
kaeza |
anyone there? |
| 04:16 |
NakedFury |
me |
| 04:16 |
Menche |
me |
| 04:17 |
kaeza |
oh lol |
| 04:17 |
kaeza |
sowwy |
| 04:17 |
kaeza |
my IRC client was misbehaving |
| 04:17 |
Menche |
the channel suddenly went quiet for a minute |
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grondilu_ |
do u guys know about oculus rift? If not check it out. It's a virtual reality headset and it's very cool. |
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| 04:24 |
Menche |
anyone know where default:cloud came from? |
| 04:24 |
NakedFury |
soource? |
| 04:24 |
Menche |
? |
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kaeza |
1..2..3..testing |
| 04:26 |
Menche |
someone asked on the forum what it is, im curious too |
| 04:26 |
Menche |
don't remember clouds ever being made of it |
| 04:26 |
NakedFury |
what do you mean? |
| 04:26 |
Menche |
the node default:cloud |
| 04:27 |
Menche |
its a plain white, indestructible node |
| 04:27 |
Menche |
can't be obtained naturally |
| 04:27 |
NakedFury |
never seen it but everything in the game is blocks |
| 04:27 |
NakedFury |
we also have air |
| 04:27 |
Menche |
well yeah, but clouds aren't made of default:cloud |
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| 04:31 |
NakedFury |
well need to brainstorm ideas and stuff for minetest |
| 04:31 |
NakedFury |
and dammit this headphones really hurt my ears |
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Menche |
kaeza: connection problems? |
| 04:32 |
kaeza |
Menceh yeah... :/ |
| 04:32 |
kaeza |
Menche* |
| 04:32 |
kaeza |
dunno why modem randomly drops connection :/ |
| 04:33 |
NakedFury |
time for a new one? |
| 04:33 |
OldCoder |
Back |
| 04:33 |
kaeza |
wb OldCoder |
| 04:33 |
kaeza |
NakedFury: yeah...right... |
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OldCoder |
kaeza, and thanks! |
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jojoa1997 |
kaeza you there |
| 04:40 |
kaeza |
... |
| 04:40 |
kaeza |
yeah |
| 04:40 |
kaeza |
y? |
| 04:40 |
jojoa1997 |
go here http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4470 |
| 04:40 |
jojoa1997 |
see my post |
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jojoa1997 |
you read it? |
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jojoa1997 |
kaeza before you quit again did you read it |
| 04:45 |
kaeza |
yes |
| 04:45 |
kaeza |
I'm having some network problems |
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Infinity_69 |
hi |
| 04:46 |
kaeza |
so I'll just quit for the night |
| 04:46 |
Infinity_69 |
sup |
| 04:46 |
Infinity_69 |
kaeza |
| 04:46 |
kaeza |
see you tomorrow |
| 04:46 |
Infinity_69 |
can you do me a favour |
| 04:46 |
Infinity_69 |
WAIT |
| 04:46 |
Infinity_69 |
please |
| 04:46 |
jojoa1997 |
cya im going to bed too |
| 04:46 |
kaeza |
Infinity_69: nope |
| 04:46 |
kaeza |
sowwy |
| 04:46 |
kaeza |
will have to wait |
| 04:46 |
Infinity_69 |
oh ok :/ |
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Infinity_69 |
ok :( |
| 04:46 |
Infinity_69 |
Freefull |
| 04:46 |
jojoa1997 |
kaeza i just wanted you to know that the topic was fine |
| 04:46 |
Infinity_69 |
can you do me a favour |
| 04:47 |
Infinity_69 |
jojoa |
| 04:47 |
kaeza |
jojoa1997: OK, fine with me |
| 04:47 |
Infinity_69 |
can you do me a favour? |
| 04:47 |
kaeza |
I thought that guy was stealing your work loll |
| 04:47 |
jojoa1997 |
yeah i see your concern with |
| 04:47 |
Infinity_69 |
kaeza |
| 04:47 |
Infinity_69 |
im almost done |
| 04:48 |
Infinity_69 |
can you register on my forum? |
| 04:48 |
Infinity_69 |
http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/forum |
| 04:48 |
Infinity_69 |
not done yet :/ |
| 04:48 |
Infinity_69 |
extracting |
| 04:48 |
jojoa1997 |
chase programmer doing that also but likwid is smart chase isnt |
| 04:48 |
kaeza |
Infinity_69: later |
| 04:48 |
kaeza |
wait a bit plz |
| 04:48 |
jojoa1997 |
cant register on any more forums good night yall |
| 04:49 |
Infinity_69 |
okay... |
| 04:49 |
Infinity_69 |
jojoa, you too? |
| 04:49 |
Infinity_69 |
srsly? |
| 04:49 |
Infinity_69 |
cmon, please |
| 04:49 |
kaeza |
night everyone |
| 04:49 |
Infinity_69 |
night |
| 04:49 |
* jojoa1997 |
zzzzzzzzz |
| 04:49 |
* Infinity_69 |
hates jojoa1997 |
| 04:50 |
Infinity_69 |
anybody here? |
| 04:50 |
Menche |
me, but i'll be leaving in a bit |
| 04:50 |
Infinity_69 |
wait! |
| 04:50 |
Menche |
maybe 10 more mins |
| 04:50 |
Infinity_69 |
can you please register on my forum? |
| 04:50 |
Menche |
? |
| 04:51 |
Infinity_69 |
ok, you dont have to :/ |
| 04:51 |
Infinity_69 |
its lagging |
| 04:51 |
Menche |
is the forum running? it appears to be an empty folder |
| 04:51 |
Infinity_69 |
net2ftp i mean |
| 04:51 |
Infinity_69 |
yes... |
| 04:51 |
Infinity_69 |
still extracting -.- |
| 04:51 |
Infinity_69 |
a 2.5mb archive |
| 04:51 |
Infinity_69 |
wait |
| 04:52 |
Infinity_69 |
doing fireFTP |
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Serverket |
hello |
| 04:53 |
Serverket |
anyone here? |
| 04:53 |
Menche |
me |
| 04:53 |
Serverket |
hey |
| 04:53 |
Serverket |
do you know some about minetest? |
| 04:53 |
Menche |
yeah, i play it alot, what? |
| 04:53 |
Serverket |
I want to make a server, you know, for playing with friends, is that possible? |
| 04:53 |
Menche |
yes |
| 04:54 |
Menche |
are you all on the same network, or do you have to connect via internet? |
| 04:54 |
Infinity_69 |
Serveket |
| 04:54 |
Infinity_69 |
i can help you |
| 04:54 |
Infinity_69 |
under 1 condition |
| 04:55 |
Serverket |
okay? |
| 04:55 |
Infinity_69 |
you register on my forum... |
| 04:55 |
Serverket |
we are not in the same net |
| 04:55 |
Infinity_69 |
in about 5-15 minutes -.- |
| 04:55 |
Infinity_69 |
ftp lag >;/ |
| 04:55 |
Menche |
err, there are better ways to get users, Infinity_69 |
| 04:55 |
Infinity_69 |
how? |
| 04:55 |
Infinity_69 |
yesterday i told everybody here to please register, nobody did >:/ |
| 04:55 |
Menche |
well, tell why they should |
| 04:56 |
Infinity_69 |
ok :D |
| 04:56 |
Menche |
add features they want |
| 04:56 |
Infinity_69 |
because if they have a server, it will be viewed on the ./servers page |
| 04:56 |
Infinity_69 |
they can start a clan/team/guild |
| 04:56 |
Menche |
Serverket: its more compicated over the Internet, you can port-forward or use a vpn |
| 04:56 |
Serverket |
I'm on the main menu and so I start the "Start Game / Connect", should I modify values on those fields before start, right? |
| 04:56 |
Infinity_69 |
Menche |
| 04:57 |
Infinity_69 |
ive never used VPN but i have something installed here... |
| 04:57 |
Infinity_69 |
on my ubuntu |
| 04:57 |
Menche |
Infinity_69: i see a new folder but the forum isn't running |
| 04:57 |
Serverket |
I see |
| 04:57 |
Menche |
Serverket: your on the "advanced" tab? |
| 04:57 |
Serverket |
so, it could work better if I use my internet as a hotspot? |
| 04:57 |
Infinity_69 |
so if i make a VPN connection and others join that connection, they can play on it? |
| 04:57 |
Menche |
yes |
| 04:58 |
Infinity_69 |
oh :d |
| 04:58 |
Infinity_69 |
and that doesnt need p-forwarding? |
| 04:58 |
Serverket |
no, just started the game and see the fields... name, address.. |
| 04:58 |
Menche |
what version are you using? |
| 04:58 |
Infinity_69 |
Menche |
| 04:58 |
Infinity_69 |
me? |
| 04:58 |
Infinity_69 |
12.10 |
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kaeza |
forum moderatore: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4474 |
| 04:58 |
Infinity_69 |
im 28% done with the deleting |
| 04:58 |
Infinity_69 |
hi |
| 04:58 |
Menche |
Serverket: what version of minetest do you have? it should be in the top left corner |
| 04:58 |
kaeza |
moderators* |
| 04:59 |
Serverket |
c-55 |
| 04:59 |
Menche |
what number? 0.3 or 0.4? |
| 05:00 |
Menche |
if you see name and address on the main screen its probably 0.3 |
| 05:00 |
Serverket |
0.3.1 |
| 05:00 |
Infinity_69 |
o.m.g. |
| 05:00 |
Infinity_69 |
look at this |
| 05:00 |
Infinity_69 |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4467 |
| 05:00 |
Menche |
kaeza: you use the "report" button? |
| 05:00 |
Infinity_69 |
SO MANY GOOD ANSWERS :) |
| 05:00 |
kaeza |
Menche: I find it faster to report it here |
| 05:00 |
kaeza |
but will do it |
| 05:01 |
Infinity_69 |
and 77.78% of the voters want the same thing i did :D |
| 05:01 |
Infinity_69 |
even you, kaeza |
| 05:01 |
Menche |
Serverket: 0.3 isn't used much now, 0.4 is recommended |
| 05:01 |
Menche |
0.3 doesn't have mods |
| 05:01 |
Infinity_69 |
0.3.4 |
| 05:01 |
Infinity_69 |
? |
| 05:01 |
Menche |
where did you download it from? |
| 05:01 |
Infinity_69 |
dont you mean 0.4.3? |
| 05:01 |
Infinity_69 |
or even worse? |
| 05:01 |
kaeza |
Menche: reported :) |
| 05:01 |
Infinity_69 |
maybe from the ubuntu sw center |
| 05:01 |
Serverket |
from Synaptic |
| 05:01 |
Infinity_69 |
menche |
| 05:02 |
Infinity_69 |
oh...idk that |
| 05:02 |
Menche |
Infinity_69: what? |
| 05:02 |
Menche |
Serverket: those are out of date |
| 05:02 |
Serverket |
oh |
| 05:02 |
Infinity_69 |
i thought that maybe he downloaded it from the ubuntu sw center :/ |
| 05:02 |
Infinity_69 |
server |
| 05:02 |
Infinity_69 |
what os do you use? |
| 05:02 |
Infinity_69 |
ubuntu? |
| 05:02 |
Infinity_69 |
windows? |
| 05:02 |
Serverket |
Debian |
| 05:02 |
Infinity_69 |
mac? |
| 05:02 |
Infinity_69 |
oh |
| 05:02 |
Infinity_69 |
then you can compile it |
| 05:03 |
Infinity_69 |
i will help you |
| 05:03 |
Menche |
there's ubuntu ppa's |
| 05:03 |
Infinity_69 |
pm me |
| 05:03 |
Menche |
may or may not work on debian |
| 05:03 |
Infinity_69 |
well its possible to compile it :/ |
| 05:03 |
Menche |
but yeah, the recommended way to get the latest on linux is to compile |
| 05:03 |
Infinity_69 |
and ill help him |
| 05:03 |
Menche |
you know how to use git? |
| 05:04 |
Infinity_69 |
yes |
| 05:04 |
Serverket |
look, my friend and I have the same version, I just need to know how could I make the multiplayer gaming with this version. As you say it's out of date but I don't consider compiling because I'm not that good, yet. |
| 05:04 |
Menche |
ok |
| 05:04 |
Infinity_69 |
thats why ill help you! |
| 05:04 |
Infinity_69 |
go to pm |
| 05:05 |
Menche |
just leave the ip field blank |
| 05:05 |
Serverket |
what is pm? |
| 05:05 |
Menche |
then starting a game will launch a local server |
| 05:05 |
Infinity_69 |
type /query Infinity_69 |
| 05:06 |
Serverket |
there is a field wih "30000" |
| 05:06 |
Serverket |
do I erase that? |
| 05:06 |
Menche |
no |
| 05:06 |
Infinity_69 |
no |
| 05:06 |
Infinity_69 |
thats the port |
| 05:06 |
Serverket |
ok |
| 05:06 |
Infinity_69 |
go back to PM! |
| 05:07 |
kaeza |
Menche: we should change the clouds to cotton :) |
| 05:07 |
Menche |
ya |
| 05:07 |
Serverket |
done |
| 05:07 |
Serverket |
I started the local |
| 05:08 |
Menche |
Serverket: next, either port-forward or vpn |
| 05:08 |
Menche |
vpn is easier but everyone needs the vpn software |
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* Infinity_69 |
LOLz at kaeza |
| 05:09 |
kaeza |
? |
| 05:09 |
Serverket |
vpn? |
| 05:09 |
Serverket |
I don't know about it |
| 05:09 |
kaeza |
let's see if it stays connected this time |
| 05:10 |
Menche |
virtual private network, it allows your friend to access your computer |
| 05:10 |
Serverket |
it doesn't sound safe |
| 05:10 |
Serverket |
ok, so, if I create that |
| 05:10 |
Infinity_69 |
lol |
| 05:10 |
Serverket |
just creating it will work? |
| 05:10 |
Infinity_69 |
Wine windows keep opening :D |
| 05:11 |
Menche |
they need the software also, it will be like their on your network |
| 05:12 |
Menche |
remobo was a common vpn used with minetest |
| 05:12 |
Serverket |
I found an option on kde about creating vpns |
| 05:12 |
Serverket |
I see |
| 05:12 |
Serverket |
searching... |
| 05:12 |
Menche |
about safety... do you trust the other player? it will be like they're on your network |
| 05:12 |
Serverket |
Do I need that software installed on both computers? |
| 05:12 |
Menche |
its encrypted so nobody else will be able to eavesdrop |
| 05:13 |
Menche |
yes, your friend needs it too |
| 05:13 |
Serverket |
I see |
| 05:13 |
Serverket |
sounds reasonnably |
| 05:14 |
Menche |
you have to add him on remobo, then when both of you are connected to remobo, he can connect to you |
| 05:14 |
Serverket |
how? |
| 05:14 |
Serverket |
by the game, I mean |
| 05:14 |
Menche |
when you both are on remobo, the remobo window will show his computer |
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| 05:15 |
Menche |
when you mouse over his computer on the list, the tooltip will give an ip |
| 05:15 |
Menche |
that is his ip |
| 05:15 |
Menche |
and the port will be 30000 if you don't change it |
| 05:17 |
Menche |
one of you starts a game with the ip field empty, and the other uses his ip. |
| 05:17 |
Serverket |
his or mine? |
| 05:17 |
Serverket |
I mean |
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| 05:17 |
Serverket |
I start with that field empty |
| 05:17 |
Menche |
yes, then your friend connects to your ip |
| 05:17 |
Serverket |
he starts filling it with my ip |
| 05:17 |
Menche |
yes |
| 05:17 |
Serverket |
go it |
| 05:18 |
Serverket |
is that all? |
| 05:18 |
Menche |
yes |
| 05:18 |
Serverket |
could I connect many people to same game? |
| 05:18 |
Serverket |
I mean... many |
| 05:18 |
Serverket |
like 5 or 20 |
| 05:18 |
Menche |
yes, they all have to be on your remobo. for many players, it is more practical to port forward rather than use remobo |
| 05:19 |
Serverket |
well, maybe the answer is if my internet can with that I can |
| 05:19 |
Serverket |
what is port forward? |
| 05:19 |
Serverket |
and sorry for making many questions |
| 05:19 |
Menche |
you tell the router to take any connections to a certain port and forward them to your computer |
| 05:20 |
Menche |
everybody asks about port-forwarding; unfortunately it's different for every router, so its hard to explain |
| 05:20 |
Menche |
but it's the preferred way to host an online server |
| 05:21 |
Serverket |
it doesn't sound safe |
| 05:21 |
Serverket |
I see |
| 05:21 |
Menche |
well, anyone could then connect to that port, yes, but only that port |
| 05:22 |
Menche |
if you trust all the other players, a vpn is technically safer, as all communication is encrypted |
| 05:22 |
Menche |
nobody you don't authorize can connect to you on a vpn |
| 05:23 |
Serverket |
I like that |
| 05:23 |
Menche |
i'm not a security expert, but I don't *think* theres that much risk in forwarding one port |
| 05:24 |
Menche |
but a vpn is easier if its just a few friends |
| 05:24 |
Menche |
anyway, both of you connect to remobo -> one of you adds the other on remobo -> one of you starts a game with a blank ip -> the other connects to his ip |
| 05:24 |
Menche |
and thats it |
| 05:25 |
Serverket |
sounds really easy |
| 05:25 |
Menche |
yeah |
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Menche |
hamachi is another popular vpn choice, but I don't know much about it |
| 05:26 |
Infinity_69 |
hi neko |
| 05:26 |
Infinity_69 |
:D |
| 05:26 |
Infinity_69 |
wait... |
| 05:26 |
Infinity_69 |
your not Ken! |
| 05:27 |
Serverket |
I did use that before, didn't work. |
| 05:27 |
Serverket |
hamachi, not for minetest but I tried with a lot of games |
| 05:27 |
Menche |
its more advanced, and sometimes had lag problems |
| 05:27 |
Menche |
remobo used to be popular for minetest servers, but its not used much anymore |
| 05:28 |
Menche |
i guess enough people port-forward, and for a public server thats more convenient than remobo |
| 05:29 |
Menche |
so thats it, but note that if you use 0.3.1 you won't be able to install mods |
| 05:29 |
Menche |
and most texture packs don't have 0.3.1 versions anymore |
| 05:29 |
Serverket |
yes, should be, but this is more like a two or three playing the game, for now. |
| 05:29 |
Serverket |
I see |
| 05:30 |
Menche |
on the other hand, 0.3.1 is faster and has mobs and dungeons |
| 05:30 |
kaeza |
Infinity_69, http://troll.me/images2/grammar-correction-guy/-youre-thumb.jpg |
| 05:30 |
Menche |
and jungles |
| 05:30 |
Infinity_69 |
what?! |
| 05:30 |
* Infinity_69 |
is confused |
| 05:30 |
kaeza |
<Infinity_69> your not Ken! |
| 05:30 |
Menche |
confused about what? |
| 05:30 |
Infinity_69 |
nvm |
| 05:31 |
Infinity_69 |
well neko259 isnt Ken |
| 05:31 |
Infinity_69 |
aka Pool, Go Ken! |
| 05:31 |
kaeza |
gratuitious ping |
| 05:31 |
Serverket |
well, my friends think is funny enough even without mod, I've showed them how much you can do by making a labyrinth |
| 05:32 |
Infinity_69 |
ok :/ |
| 05:32 |
Infinity_69 |
kaeza |
| 05:32 |
Infinity_69 |
Y U LIE |
| 05:32 |
Infinity_69 |
U NO GO 2 SLEEP! |
| 05:32 |
Infinity_69 |
NOW U HAV 2 REGISTER ON MAH FORUMz |
| 05:33 |
Menche |
the forums which are not up yet |
| 05:33 |
Menche |
you added a bunch of folders, but its not running |
| 05:33 |
Infinity_69 |
yes |
| 05:33 |
Infinity_69 |
10% left |
| 05:33 |
kaeza |
Infinity_69, http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/how-about-no-bear-meme.jpg |
| 05:33 |
Infinity_69 |
~200 files left |
| 05:33 |
Serverket |
well |
| 05:33 |
Infinity_69 |
stop doing that |
| 05:33 |
Infinity_69 |
serverket |
| 05:34 |
Infinity_69 |
can you register on it? |
| 05:34 |
Infinity_69 |
please |
| 05:34 |
Menche |
stop doing what? |
| 05:34 |
Menche |
and i can't exactly register if it isn't up yet |
| 05:34 |
Infinity_69 |
not u |
| 05:34 |
Infinity_69 |
yes i know |
| 05:34 |
Infinity_69 |
but i mean kaeza |
| 05:34 |
Infinity_69 |
she's just trolling me |
| 05:34 |
* Infinity_69 |
feels trolled |
| 05:34 |
Infinity_69 |
~30 files left |
| 05:34 |
Infinity_69 |
5% left |
| 05:35 |
Serverket |
Thank you all for helping, I have to go know, I was really nice, I will come again to know how make a web server and share with you my map, have a good day/night, Good bless you. |
| 05:35 |
kaeza |
see you Serverket |
| 05:35 |
Menche |
bye, ask on the forums if you need more help |
| 05:35 |
Infinity_69 |
Database server hostname or DSN: |
| 05:35 |
Infinity_69 |
what do i type there? |
| 05:35 |
* Menche |
has to go now |
| 05:35 |
Serverket |
thanks |
| 05:35 |
Infinity_69 |
oh man |
| 05:35 |
kaeza |
cya Menche |
| 05:36 |
Infinity_69 |
kaeza |
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| 05:36 |
Infinity_69 |
Database server hostname or DSN: |
| 05:36 |
Infinity_69 |
what there |
| 05:36 |
kaeza |
Infinity_69, no idea |
| 05:36 |
Infinity_69 |
ok :/ |
| 05:36 |
Infinity_69 |
guess ill leave it empty |
| 05:40 |
kaeza |
<Infinity_69> she's just trolling me |
| 05:40 |
kaeza |
O.o |
| 05:40 |
kaeza |
SHE?? |
| 05:40 |
kaeza |
who told you I'm a woman? O.o |
| 05:41 |
Infinity_69 |
o.m.g |
| 05:41 |
Infinity_69 |
wait... |
| 05:41 |
Infinity_69 |
umm... i thought :D |
| 05:41 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 05:41 |
kaeza |
:D |
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Infinity_69 |
kaeza |
| 05:44 |
* Infinity_69 |
is on 1 knee |
| 05:45 |
Infinity_69 |
will you marry me? |
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* Infinity_69 |
makes puppy eyes |
| 05:45 |
kaeza |
dafrack? |
| 05:46 |
* Infinity_69 |
stands up, punches kaeza in the face and leaves with a troll face :D |
| 05:46 |
kaeza |
http://kaeza.users.sf.net/ |
| 05:46 |
kaeza |
Infinity_69, ^ |
| 05:46 |
Infinity_69 |
you are ugly |
| 05:46 |
Infinity_69 |
thats coming from a man, and that also means that you are not attractive to other men |
| 05:46 |
kaeza |
thanks :D you too |
| 05:47 |
Infinity_69 |
you never saw me! |
| 05:47 |
Infinity_69 |
http://www.rate.ee/users/askleptios |
| 05:47 |
Infinity_69 |
this is me! |
| 05:47 |
Infinity_69 |
xD |
| 05:47 |
Infinity_69 |
g2g in 3 minutes |
| 05:48 |
kaeza |
...lol? |
| 05:48 |
Infinity_69 |
wait a sec |
| 05:48 |
Infinity_69 |
what? |
| 05:48 |
kaeza |
o gawd u r ugly lol |
| 05:48 |
Infinity_69 |
yes, i know im 13... -.- |
| 05:48 |
kaeza |
J/K |
| 05:48 |
Infinity_69 |
thanks :D |
| 05:48 |
Infinity_69 |
waitwhat?! |
| 05:48 |
Infinity_69 |
im attractive to men?! |
| 05:49 |
Infinity_69 |
ok bye |
| 05:49 |
Infinity_69 |
kaeza |
| 05:49 |
kaeza |
Infinity_69, you should be careful with giving personal info online |
| 05:50 |
Infinity_69 |
just kidding xD |
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kaeza |
Calinou, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64211#p64211 |
| 06:10 |
kaeza |
and hi :) |
| 06:24 |
kaeza |
correction: this is the best comment EVAR: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64172#p64172 |
| 06:38 |
Calinou |
lol |
| 06:39 |
VanessaE |
bah, so much for sleeping. hi all |
| 06:44 |
kaeza |
hi VanessaE |
| 06:44 |
kaeza |
cannot sleep? lol |
| 06:45 |
kaeza |
my mother always said that a good nice mug of hot milks helps |
| 06:45 |
kaeza |
milk* |
| 06:45 |
VanessaE |
nope, sleep won't come yet...and I took two melatonin tablets yet. |
| 06:48 |
kaeza |
that shucks |
| 06:48 |
VanessaE |
sucks, too. |
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kaeza |
hey TheZenKitteh |
| 06:57 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, a big mallet helps too :) |
| 06:57 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 06:59 |
TheZenKitteh |
hey everybody.. I got a first version of mod installer with repo support for windows ready |
| 06:59 |
TheZenKitteh |
but oddly can't push it to git from puppy |
| 06:59 |
TheZenKitteh |
so brb while I reboot into mint |
| 06:59 |
kaeza |
TheZenKitteh, ? |
| 06:59 |
kaeza |
how so? |
| 06:59 |
kaeza |
dafuq? |
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| 07:04 |
TheZenKitteh |
anyone on windows willing to test? |
| 07:05 |
TheZenKitteh |
I tested on xp and it seems to work. however documentation might could use some work |
| 07:05 |
TheZenKitteh |
https://github.com/TheZenKitteh/minetest-windowsmodinstaller |
| 07:05 |
TheZenKitteh |
as always read the readme |
| 07:06 |
kaeza |
sargennto ? |
| 07:06 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: maybe he likes cheese :-) |
| 07:06 |
kaeza |
...um...tonyka? |
| 07:06 |
VanessaE |
might be |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
in which case, welcome :-) |
| 07:07 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, your joke is bad and you should feel bad |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
aw come on, are you saying it was...cheesy? |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 07:07 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
yeah I know, it wasn't a very gouda joke. |
| 07:07 |
kaeza |
:D |
| 07:08 |
VanessaE |
I must seem like a real muenster for making bad jokes. |
| 07:08 |
TheZenKitteh |
lol hey vanessae |
| 07:08 |
sargennto |
kaeza: was just checking the channel out.. came across this project just now |
| 07:08 |
kaeza |
oh lol sorry |
| 07:08 |
VanessaE |
hi sargennto, don't mind the jokes, we're only kidding :-) |
| 07:08 |
TheZenKitteh |
hey sargennto |
| 07:08 |
kaeza |
confused you with another user |
| 07:08 |
sargennto |
VanessaE: np :) |
| 07:09 |
kaeza |
welcome to the nicest channel in teh planetz |
| 07:09 |
sargennto |
i like bad puns |
| 07:09 |
VanessaE |
hah, if this is the nicest channel on the planet, I'd hate to see what you'd call the worst ;) |
| 07:09 |
sargennto |
the cheese jokes i mean |
| 07:09 |
kaeza |
lolol |
| 07:09 |
VanessaE |
sargennto: I'm usually quick with a bad pun when I'm not too tired :D |
| 07:09 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, #minec****? |
| 07:10 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: watch your language! |
| 07:10 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 07:10 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 07:10 |
VanessaE |
also, hi TheZenKitteh. :) |
| 07:12 |
TheZenKitteh |
dang |
| 07:12 |
TheZenKitteh |
seems the poll on the bash script mod installer is fairly evenly divided |
| 07:12 |
TheZenKitteh |
5 for tar.gz 5 for zip 4 for 7z and 2 for tar.bz2 |
| 07:12 |
TheZenKitteh |
lol |
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kaeza |
so is people opining about new mese :P |
| 07:13 |
kaeza |
BTW +10000 for new MESE and +10000 for ZIP archives |
| 07:14 |
kaeza |
+10000 *ALL* the things!! |
| 07:14 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 07:15 |
kaeza |
-1 for lua mobs |
| 07:15 |
kaeza |
inb4 rage |
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* kaeza |
is making boring comments so VanessaE gets sleepy :) |
| 07:17 |
kaeza |
(also: gratuitious ping) |
| 07:17 |
VanessaE |
what, nothing for pipeworks? :) |
| 07:17 |
TheZenKitteh |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64225#p64225 |
| 07:17 |
VanessaE |
(color-tagged mese sorting tubes) |
| 07:18 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, an integer to represent my "+x" for pipeworks would need about 189749854891 bits |
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kaeza |
:) |
| 07:18 |
VanessaE |
lol |
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Calinou |
176,71GB for us, 189.74GB for HDD vendors |
| 08:11 |
Calinou |
176,7289489489894489489GB for AMD CPUs |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
but of course, how else are they supposed to inflate their numbers? actually make stuff higher capacity!? |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
what kind of crazy talk is that! |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 08:13 |
celeron55_ |
eh |
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celeron55_ |
how are they inflating any numbers by using the same scale, unchanged, for decades |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
that's OS faults for using decimal prefix, the standard is binary prefix |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
...since 1998 |
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celeron55_ |
G = 1 000 000 000, since SI |
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VanessaE |
celeron55_: duh, powers of two. |
| 08:14 |
celeron55_ |
2^10 does not make any sense in any way |
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VanessaE |
o.O |
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VanessaE |
all right, who are you and what did you do with celeron55? |
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celeron55_ |
it was only useful back in the day when computers were unable to divide by 1000 with reasonable speed |
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kaeza |
celeron55_, I got a 500GB drive recently |
| 08:15 |
kaeza |
the *real* size was about 460 GB |
| 08:15 |
celeron55_ |
it's about 30 years from that day |
| 08:16 |
VanessaE |
the irony of your statements though, c55, is that we're rapidly moving toward solid-state storage, so powers-of-two are relevant again :) |
| 08:16 |
celeron55_ |
kaeza: 460GiB |
| 08:16 |
celeron55_ |
kaeza: = 500GB |
| 08:16 |
celeron55_ |
actually 465, but whatever |
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Calinou |
err, no? |
| 08:16 |
VanessaE |
oh no. |
| 08:16 |
Calinou |
460GB, 500GiB |
| 08:16 |
VanessaE |
he didn't. |
| 08:16 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: not all SSDs have powers of two sizes, blame TLC :3 |
| 08:17 |
Calinou |
eg. samsung SSDs are 120/240GB |
| 08:17 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: the chips used therein surely do. |
| 08:17 |
VanessaE |
my OCZ is 60GB though |
| 08:17 |
Calinou |
they actually have 128GB, but 8GB is unusable |
| 08:17 |
Calinou |
lol OCZ |
| 08:17 |
Calinou |
(overprovisioning) |
| 08:17 |
Calinou |
it's to increase its lifetime since samsung SSDs use triple layer cells == lower lifespan |
| 08:18 |
VanessaE |
right. |
| 08:18 |
Calinou |
you can write theorically 1000 times its capacitiy before it dies, but you usually write 2× more than you actually write, the firmware is not perfect and may use some other cells too |
| 08:18 |
Calinou |
most MLC SSDs have 3000 write cycles, and back when SLC SSDs were still sold, they could reach up to 100 000 write cycles |
| 08:19 |
Calinou |
but SLC is expensive, that's why it's no longer used |
| 08:19 |
celeron55_ |
HDDs have free space for such too, and sometimes you can adjust it with special tools (if you want higher/lower reliability) |
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VanessaE |
I have to wonder about calinou's slc vs. mlc claims... |
| 08:26 |
ruskie |
Other drawbacks of MLC NAND are lower write speeds, lower number of program-erase cycles and higher power consumption compared to SLC flash memory |
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ruskie |
The primary benefit of MLC flash memory is its lower cost per unit of storage due to the higher data density <-- that's basically the only benefit |
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Jordach |
hey all |
| 08:34 |
Jordach |
hey all |
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Jordach |
(hexchat - quit being an ass right now) |
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TheZenKitteh |
howdy |
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Jordach |
hello rapheal |
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* TheZenKitteh |
looks around |
| 08:36 |
TheZenKitteh |
how did you know my name |
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TheZenKitteh |
lol |
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* TheZenKitteh |
knows |
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Jordach |
because you made a forum post which linked to github.com/TheZenKitteh |
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TheZenKitteh |
to help end the war of the archive formats on the forum im doing some slight changes to the bash mod installer |
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TheZenKitteh |
im adding another packmod script to pack to zip |
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TheZenKitteh |
the installer itself can use any format supported by 7z |
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Jordach |
there we go |
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Jordach |
(hexchat had glitched) |
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kaeza |
night everyone. I'm off to bed |
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VanessaE |
hey Jordach/ |
| 08:54 |
Jordach |
hey VanessaE |
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Jordach |
its about 2am there? |
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* VanessaE |
puts one of nekogloop's spare kittens on Jordach's head. |
| 08:55 |
VanessaE |
no, more like 6 minutes to 4. :) |
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Jordach |
oh |
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* Jordach |
checks on the Apple App "Clock" |
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Jordach |
and its -3'c today |
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VanessaE |
+5.8C here |
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Jordach |
meh, id rather keep the snow |
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Jordach |
(im off sick from school) |
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VanessaE |
that sucks :( |
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VanessaE |
(the sick part anyway) |
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Jordach |
at least ill be around all day |
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* VanessaE |
pokes Taoki ... just because. |
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VanessaE |
:) |
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Taoki |
hi |
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VanessaE |
hey. |
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* OldCoder |
is resting |
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VanessaE |
morning, OldCoder |
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OldCoder |
o/ |
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Taoki |
Hi OldCoder :) |
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Jordach |
morning OldCoder |
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Jordach |
('tis morning here too!) |
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celeron55_ |
http://imgur.com/gallery/fNPJ2 |
| 10:37 |
Jordach |
afternoon celeron55_ |
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* Jordach |
offers to make hot chocolate |
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VanessaE |
mmm chocolate... |
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Jordach |
VanessaE, well done for losing about 50kg of weight |
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Jordach |
45.8* |
| 10:55 |
VanessaE |
thanks :) |
| 10:55 |
Jordach |
i meant to say that last night, but i was off anyways |
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* Jordach |
thanks scrollback for once |
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VanessaE |
it just keeps falling off, not much I can do about it ;) |
| 10:55 |
Jordach |
sore chest + chesty cough = fun |
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* Jordach |
should be drinking tea, but hot chocolate is smoother |
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VanessaE |
(Thank G*d for Roux en Y) |
| 10:56 |
VanessaE |
sore chest + cough sounds like bronchitis. NOT fun at all |
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Jordach |
ugh, why does hexchat scroll the window up on scrollback log load.. |
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Jordach |
oh and yes, it hurts |
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VanessaE |
(I've had that before, it fucking sucks) |
| 10:57 |
Jordach |
so, you blackout god, but not fucking sucks? |
| 10:57 |
VanessaE |
yup. |
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VanessaE |
because the latter isn't particularly blasphemous :-) |
| 10:58 |
Jordach |
i like the texture atlas format for minecraft (since its one big big file, i save time) and then its easier to draw shit (i have a java extractor at the ready) |
| 10:58 |
Jordach |
(which splits atlas -> many files ready for mt) |
| 10:58 |
VanessaE |
actually I heard MC is moving toward one file per image like what we use |
| 10:58 |
Jordach |
yup |
| 10:58 |
Jordach |
and that pisses my off |
| 10:59 |
Jordach |
me |
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Jordach |
** |
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* Jordach |
hates opening files one by one |
| 11:01 |
VanessaE |
File -> Open... -> click a file -> Ctrl-A -> click "Open" :-) |
| 11:01 |
VanessaE |
and wait ten years for the GIMP to actually open 10 little 16px images... |
| 11:01 |
Jordach |
yup |
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Jordach |
thats why i love the current atlas |
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Jordach |
(its a piece of piss to work with) |
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celeron55_ |
https://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20130107/11190721597/uk-mobile-operator-3uk-filtering-new-class-mature-content-including-political-satire.shtml |
| 11:20 |
celeron55_ |
fun |
| 11:23 |
Jordach |
celeron55_, no effect |
| 11:23 |
Jordach |
load up TOR, problem solved |
| 11:23 |
celeron55_ |
regular people don't load up TOR and keep being blindfolded of relevant things |
| 11:24 |
celeron55_ |
it's bad |
| 11:24 |
celeron55_ |
very bad |
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Jordach |
celeron55_, thats why i love my adsl cable |
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Jordach |
BT thinks they can enforce a child lock on my homehub3 (trust me, ill flash the damn thing..in case of emergency) |
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Jordach |
ahh...#minetest silence and no mines in the land |
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VanessaE |
*crickets* |
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ruskie |
*chirp* *chirp* |
| 11:52 |
Jordach |
VanessaE... |
| 11:52 |
Jordach |
:P |
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Jordach |
*drip drip* |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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init |
http://www.hedgewars.org/releaseschedule lmao |
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celeron55_ |
init: better link to this page :P http://www.hedgewars.org/faq.html#n3304 |
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init |
hehe |
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Infinity_69 |
hi |
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Infinity_69 |
is anybody... |
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Infinity_69 |
there? |
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Infinity_69 |
who wants to join my server? |
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kaeza |
morning all |
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RealBadAngel |
hello minetest |
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RealBadAngel |
whassup? |
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kaeza |
hi RBA |
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Infinity_69 |
kaeza |
| 14:41 |
Infinity_69 |
wanna try out my server? |
| 14:42 |
kaeza |
maybe later Inf |
| 14:42 |
Infinity_69 |
ok >:/ |
| 14:42 |
Infinity_69 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZIVmKOdrBk |
| 14:42 |
Infinity_69 |
awesomesong :) |
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Jordach |
RealBadAngel, day off today? |
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RealBadAngel |
Jordach, just got back from work |
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Jordach |
aye |
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webdesigner97 |
hi |
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Jordach |
ow christ my joints hurt |
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Infinity_69 |
wd97! |
| 14:51 |
Infinity_69 |
webdesigner97 |
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webdesigner97 |
yep |
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webdesigner97 |
can i help you? |
| 14:51 |
webdesigner97 |
pls call me WD -> it's easier |
| 14:52 |
Infinity_69 |
ok |
| 14:52 |
Infinity_69 |
do u use u12.10? |
| 14:53 |
webdesigner97 |
what's that? |
| 14:53 |
Infinity_69 |
ubuntu... |
| 14:53 |
Infinity_69 |
:D |
| 14:54 |
webdesigner97 |
oh |
| 14:54 |
webdesigner97 |
no, i use windows 7 |
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Infinity_69 |
oh :/ |
| 14:55 |
Infinity_69 |
well do you know if i make a VPN connection on u12.10 can you connect to it on w7? |
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webdesigner97 |
idk |
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kaeza |
hey webdesigner97 |
| 14:55 |
Infinity_69 |
kaeza |
| 14:56 |
Infinity_69 |
is it possible? |
| 14:56 |
kaeza |
dunno |
| 14:56 |
Infinity_69 |
ok... |
| 14:56 |
Infinity_69 |
kaeza |
| 14:56 |
kaeza |
acualy yes |
| 14:56 |
Infinity_69 |
do u use u12.10 |
| 14:56 |
Infinity_69 |
oh? |
| 14:56 |
Infinity_69 |
how? |
| 14:56 |
kaeza |
remobo |
| 14:57 |
Infinity_69 |
??? |
| 14:57 |
kaeza |
GIYF ;) |
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webdesigner97 |
sry, was afk |
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webdesigner97 |
hi |
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webdesigner97 |
hi c55 |
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Infinity_69 |
kaeza |
| 15:01 |
Infinity_69 |
GIYF? |
| 15:01 |
Infinity_69 |
oh :D |
| 15:01 |
Infinity_69 |
wd91 |
| 15:01 |
Infinity_69 |
97* |
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webdesigner97 |
yep? |
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webdesigner97 |
playing on redcrab's now. bye |
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Infinity_69 |
vals_ |
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Infinity_69 |
lawl |
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Infinity_69 |
:d |
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Infinity_69 |
tango_ |
| 15:11 |
tango_ |
what |
| 15:11 |
kaeza |
seems legit http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64296#p64296 |
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Infinity_69 |
can you try out my VPN connection/server? |
| 15:21 |
Infinity_69 |
btw, how to connect to a vpn connection? |
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Infinity_69 |
Don't you worry, don't you worry, Kaeza! |
| 15:28 |
dysoco |
the wiki seems to be down? http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php |
| 15:29 |
Jordach |
you mean: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Minetest_Wiki |
| 15:30 |
dysoco |
well, then this link is broken: http://minetest.net/contribute.php |
| 15:30 |
dysoco |
check "The developer wiki" |
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erlehmann |
EWIGE MINENKRAFT |
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dysoco |
ah, this is the development wiki: Which apparently is separated from the normal Wiki. |
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Infinity_69 |
hi im back, ya guys :D |
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OldCoder |
Back |
| 15:47 |
kaeza |
wb OldCoder |
| 15:47 |
Jordach |
hey OldCoder |
| 15:48 |
kaeza |
can somebody explain what this guy means? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4480 |
| 15:48 |
kaeza |
and why is that in the bugs & problems section? |
| 15:49 |
init |
no idea kaeza |
| 15:51 |
NakedFury |
for posting in the bugs section we should have a format be used or remove the posts. adding OS, game version, mods in use, and a very detailed explanation of the bug and how to replicate |
| 15:51 |
NakedFury |
screenshots encouraged |
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babyface1031 |
hi OldCoder |
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kaeza |
NakedFury, +1 |
| 15:53 |
NakedFury |
if it doesnt have that, remove it |
| 15:53 |
kaeza |
that thread should be on the offtopic section |
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Infinity_69 |
oldcoder |
| 16:01 |
Infinity_69 |
u still there? |
| 16:01 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 16:01 |
Infinity_69 |
hi :D |
| 16:01 |
OldCoder |
I will be more free tomorrow |
| 16:01 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 16:01 |
Infinity_69 |
i have a question |
| 16:01 |
OldCoder |
Go on |
| 16:02 |
Infinity_69 |
how to connect to a vpn connection? |
| 16:02 |
dysoco |
kaeza, I think he's just explaning how to use chown to install mods |
| 16:02 |
dysoco |
"This canbe used to allow ubuntu users to install mods" |
| 16:02 |
Infinity_69 |
made a VPN connection, but idk how others will get to connect |
| 16:02 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, That is something I have never tried. I may attempt it sometime. |
| 16:02 |
OldCoder |
I did try something similar recently |
| 16:03 |
Infinity_69 |
oh... :/ |
| 16:03 |
OldCoder |
Somebody wanted me to help debug their connection |
| 16:03 |
OldCoder |
I am sorry... |
| 16:03 |
Infinity_69 |
ok <:/ |
| 16:03 |
kaeza |
dysoco, you don't need to chown anything to be able to install mods on linux |
| 16:03 |
OldCoder |
I never had the need to look at it. I may be able to do so in February |
| 16:03 |
Infinity_69 |
wait what?! |
| 16:03 |
kaeza |
unless your install is fcked up |
| 16:03 |
Infinity_69 |
thats like a month from now :/ |
| 16:03 |
dysoco |
kaeza, yeah... I don't know what he means |
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* Infinity_69 |
is away! |
| 16:08 |
Infinity_69 |
hey who knows php? |
| 16:08 |
Infinity_69 |
cause i need some help with it |
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Infinity_69 |
Calinou |
| 16:11 |
Infinity_69 |
how good are you at php? |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
not good at all :D |
| 16:13 |
Infinity_69 |
oh -.- |
| 16:13 |
Infinity_69 |
URN00B |
| 16:14 |
dysoco |
Why do you want to use PHP anyways? |
| 16:19 |
Infinity_69 |
1. im making an upload page for the mods im gonna let users upload to my site |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 16:20 |
Infinity_69 |
2. i need somebody to help me make the file names random with a php script, or atleast echo out, that there already is a file named like that |
| 16:20 |
Infinity_69 |
hi |
| 16:20 |
OldCoder |
pilzhei |
| 16:20 |
dysoco |
maybe try with Python or Ruby? You might get more help and avoid brain damage. |
| 16:20 |
dysoco |
unless it's because of hosting issues. |
| 16:20 |
Infinity_69 |
no it isnt |
| 16:20 |
OldCoder |
dysoco, there is no need to be that negative... just a remark. PHP has deficiencies but let somebody try it if they wish |
| 16:20 |
Infinity_69 |
btw, OldCoder |
| 16:21 |
Infinity_69 |
try this |
| 16:21 |
Infinity_69 |
http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/upload/index.php |
| 16:21 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 16:21 |
Infinity_69 |
what do you think |
| 16:21 |
OldCoder |
Checking |
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dysoco |
nah, it was a joke: it's not like I *hate* PHP :P |
| 16:21 |
OldCoder |
It is also O.K. to hate PHP |
| 16:21 |
OldCoder |
Just a matter of civility |
| 16:21 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, an upload script? O.K. |
| 16:22 |
OldCoder |
I won't test it ATM... No time. I must leave for San Jose again this morning. |
| 16:22 |
Infinity_69 |
yeah |
| 16:22 |
OldCoder |
But |
| 16:22 |
OldCoder |
I will review PHP code this month or next |
| 16:22 |
Infinity_69 |
dysoco |
| 16:22 |
OldCoder |
If you wish |
| 16:22 |
Infinity_69 |
try it |
| 16:22 |
Infinity_69 |
wait |
| 16:23 |
Infinity_69 |
it has bugs |
| 16:25 |
Calinou |
dysoco: python was made by bzip2 devs, and ruby is quite "obsolete" today.. |
| 16:25 |
Calinou |
php is fine for web pages |
| 16:27 |
dysoco |
truth is as a C/C++ developer PHP looks the closer to it |
| 16:33 |
Infinity_69 |
OldCoder |
| 16:33 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 16:33 |
Infinity_69 |
can you help a littlebit with php? |
| 16:33 |
Infinity_69 |
Warning: unlink(/tmp/phpFbwO9t) [function.unlink]: No such file or directory in /home/u112478165/public_html/upload/upload.php on line 37 |
| 16:34 |
Infinity_69 |
what does that mean? |
| 16:34 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
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| 16:34 |
OldCoder |
I'd need to see upload.php. I'm willing to look at it tomorrow or possibly tonight. |
| 16:34 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, Hi! |
| 16:34 |
markveidemanis |
Hi! |
| 16:34 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, I apologize for being distracted yesterday. It is so today as well. |
| 16:34 |
markveidemanis |
Hmmm? |
| 16:34 |
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| 16:34 |
Infinity_69 |
wait |
| 16:34 |
Infinity_69 |
Oc |
| 16:35 |
markveidemanis |
Distracted? |
| 16:35 |
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| 16:35 |
Infinity_69 |
http://pastebin.com/K2LRss0n |
| 16:35 |
Infinity_69 |
oc |
| 16:36 |
OldCoder |
no time! |
| 16:36 |
* OldCoder |
sighs |
| 16:36 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 16:36 |
Infinity_69 |
oh... |
| 16:36 |
Infinity_69 |
<;/ |
| 16:36 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 16:36 |
Infinity_69 |
well it isnt long |
| 16:36 |
Infinity_69 |
43 lines |
| 16:36 |
Infinity_69 |
- comments |
| 16:36 |
Infinity_69 |
rubenwardy |
| 16:37 |
Infinity_69 |
what do you think atm? |
| 16:37 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, yes... but the problem is not obvious. unlink deletes the file. It is reported not to be there. So I'd need to debug this. |
| 16:37 |
OldCoder |
Hang on |
| 16:37 |
Infinity_69 |
Ruben |
| 16:37 |
Infinity_69 |
http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/upload/ |
| 16:38 |
OldCoder |
Wait... |
| 16:38 |
markveidemanis |
OldCoder: |
| 16:38 |
OldCoder |
I don't see the upload code... |
| 16:38 |
markveidemanis |
Link to map and mods plz |
| 16:38 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis: |
| 16:38 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, mods are there |
| 16:38 |
markveidemanis |
Where? |
| 16:38 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, I must get on a bus soon |
| 16:38 |
markveidemanis |
Ok... |
| 16:38 |
OldCoder |
I think I can only talk for emergencies right now |
| 16:38 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, hold on |
| 16:39 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, where is the code that actually uploads the file? |
| 16:39 |
Infinity_69 |
you mean the form or the script? |
| 16:39 |
Infinity_69 |
wait |
| 16:39 |
OldCoder |
the code that uploads the file |
| 16:39 |
OldCoder |
I don't see any at all |
| 16:40 |
Infinity_69 |
well there are 2 files in that folder |
| 16:40 |
Infinity_69 |
index.php |
| 16:40 |
OldCoder |
That is not the point |
| 16:40 |
Infinity_69 |
that makes the forms |
| 16:40 |
OldCoder |
Where is the code that uploads the image? |
| 16:40 |
Infinity_69 |
upload.php |
| 16:40 |
Infinity_69 |
image? |
| 16:40 |
markveidemanis |
I don't see the map file |
| 16:40 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, where did this code come from? |
| 16:40 |
Infinity_69 |
that should be the upload.php, the file you have |
| 16:40 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, It is not there |
| 16:40 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, there is no upload code in the file |
| 16:40 |
markveidemanis |
Oh... |
| 16:40 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, where did this code come from? |
| 16:40 |
markveidemanis |
Do you have Time, like an hour? |
| 16:40 |
Infinity_69 |
Adam Khoury |
| 16:41 |
Infinity_69 |
http://www.developphp.com |
| 16:41 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, There is no time at all :-( |
| 16:41 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, the code does not do anything |
| 16:41 |
markveidemanis |
:( |
| 16:41 |
Infinity_69 |
it does! |
| 16:41 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, I cannot write upload code for you today. This script does not work. |
| 16:41 |
Infinity_69 |
try it |
| 16:41 |
Infinity_69 |
it does! |
| 16:41 |
OldCoder |
Where is the upload code? |
| 16:41 |
Infinity_69 |
is it possible to hide it? |
| 16:41 |
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| 16:41 |
Infinity_69 |
wait |
| 16:41 |
Infinity_69 |
http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/upload |
| 16:41 |
Infinity_69 |
try it! |
| 16:41 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, I am sorry but I am in emergency mode |
| 16:41 |
Infinity_69 |
then go to this page to see it |
| 16:42 |
Infinity_69 |
http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/upload/uploads |
| 16:42 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, I am looking right at the code. If possible write to the author and ask for the line number that does an upload. |
| 16:42 |
markveidemanis |
Can i access the clean mod in game? |
| 16:42 |
OldCoder |
I do not see any such line. |
| 16:42 |
markveidemanis |
That would be cool... |
| 16:42 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, We have it but I don't know what you mean |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
User interface: http://pastebin.com/mN3UYg7r |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
behind: http://pastebin.com/B7eztAHVhttp://pastebin.com/B7eztAHV |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
user loads "user interface" and then selects a file to upload |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
page submits to "behind" which uploads |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
then is goes back to "userinterface" |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
where any error / success messages are displayed |
| 16:42 |
Infinity_69 |
i tried it long before i uploaded it right now |
| 16:42 |
markveidemanis |
/clean stone |
| 16:43 |
markveidemanis |
in game |
| 16:43 |
Infinity_69 |
then it worked |
| 16:43 |
Infinity_69 |
yes, i saw it ruben |
| 16:43 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, Infinity_69 I must travel to another city. I cannot talk now. markveidemanis map will need to wait. Infinity_69 ask author for line number. |
| 16:43 |
Infinity_69 |
ok -.- |
| 16:43 |
markveidemanis |
Ok _-00_ |
| 16:43 |
markveidemanis |
... |
| 16:43 |
markveidemanis |
Fail |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
looks like this: http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/upload.png |
| 16:43 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, without line number there is little I can do. I am sorry about -.- and markveidemanis I am sorry about :( |
| 16:43 |
markveidemanis |
-!- |
| 16:44 |
markveidemanis |
Is it a dot? |
| 16:44 |
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| 16:44 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, seriously I do not presently see any upload code at all |
| 16:44 |
markveidemanis |
Hi! |
| 16:44 |
OldCoder |
I am sorry that I cannot |
| 16:44 |
Zeg9 |
Hi ! |
| 16:44 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, I will make you maps if I can |
| 16:44 |
OldCoder |
But I *must* focus now |
| 16:44 |
Infinity_69 |
wait |
| 16:44 |
markveidemanis |
OC: plz remove conifers...PLZ! it messes up spawn |
| 16:44 |
OldCoder |
Guys if I do not focus bad things will happen |
| 16:44 |
Zeg9 |
Hi OldCoder, Infinity_69, markveidemanis |
| 16:44 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, we did remove them |
| 16:44 |
markveidemanis |
Really messes up spawn... |
| 16:44 |
Infinity_69 |
oc |
| 16:44 |
markveidemanis |
YAY! |
| 16:44 |
Infinity_69 |
do you mean this |
| 16:44 |
Infinity_69 |
http://pastebin.com/Cvx1Us71 |
| 16:44 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, they are gone. Only have moretrees now |
| 16:45 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, R |
| 16:45 |
markveidemanis |
** |
| 16:45 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, no that is the HTML |
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| 16:45 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, I do not see any upload code |
| 16:45 |
markveidemanis |
*COUGH*! |
| 16:45 |
Infinity_69 |
well those are the only 2 codes! |
| 16:45 |
Zeg9 |
Infinity_69, you need a php code to handle the upload too |
| 16:45 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, make a ZIP file |
| 16:45 |
OldCoder |
of the entire folder and let me see later |
| 16:45 |
Infinity_69 |
zeg9 i did |
| 16:45 |
OldCoder |
I do not see any upload code yet |
| 16:46 |
Zeg9 |
Also it is <h1>HVGaming Upload</h1> |
| 16:46 |
OldCoder |
I must be missing it |
| 16:46 |
Infinity_69 |
http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/upload |
| 16:46 |
Infinity_69 |
try it |
| 16:46 |
Zeg9 |
and no </h1> </h1> |
| 16:46 |
markveidemanis |
OldCoder... |
| 16:46 |
OldCoder |
I cannot talk further ATM |
| 16:46 |
OldCoder |
I must write a document |
| 16:46 |
markveidemanis |
http://ompldr.org/vaDQzcw/2013-01-17-164543_1024x600_scrot.png |
| 16:46 |
OldCoder |
NOW |
| 16:46 |
markveidemanis |
CONIFERS! |
| 16:46 |
OldCoder |
There is no time |
| 16:46 |
OldCoder |
Yes. And? |
| 16:47 |
OldCoder |
I removed the mod |
| 16:47 |
OldCoder |
There are two issues |
| 16:47 |
OldCoder |
Well, one, actually... |
| 16:47 |
markveidemanis |
Its a conifer tree... |
| 16:47 |
NakedFury |
good luck on your thing |
| 16:47 |
OldCoder |
I believe you. They may still be in moretrees. |
| 16:47 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, If these two will let me focus :-) |
| 16:47 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, I think you need to speak with VanessaE |
| 16:47 |
OldCoder |
About More Trees |
| 16:47 |
OldCoder |
Find the line to disable or change |
| 16:48 |
OldCoder |
And I will fix it for you |
| 16:48 |
OldCoder |
Look, so long for now o/ |
| 16:48 |
markveidemanis |
Look at my screenshot...uploading |
| 16:49 |
markveidemanis |
http://ompldr.org/vaDQzdA/2013-01-17-164803_1024x600_scrot.png |
| 16:51 |
markveidemanis |
OldCoder: when you are back, please put donwn the server, send me the map and il see which mods the map REALLY needs and il use worldedit to get rid of some stuff *COUGH* CONIFERS *COUGH* |
| 16:51 |
OldCoder |
Cough? |
| 16:51 |
OldCoder |
You O.K.? |
| 16:51 |
markveidemanis |
*Ahem*... |
| 16:51 |
* markveidemanis |
|
| 16:52 |
markveidemanis |
so //replace conifers:leaves air |
| 16:52 |
markveidemanis |
on the whole map |
| 16:52 |
markveidemanis |
Right? |
| 16:53 |
NakedFury |
maybe but it might take a while |
| 16:53 |
markveidemanis |
Hi! |
| 16:53 |
markveidemanis |
oh, Bye! |
| 16:53 |
markveidemanis |
:D |
| 16:54 |
PilzAdam |
markveidemanis, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2777 |
| 16:54 |
kaeza |
markveidemanis, better install the 'clean' mod, or tweak conifers to not spawn (or remove altogether) |
| 16:54 |
markveidemanis |
I have |
| 16:54 |
markveidemanis |
clean mod |
| 16:55 |
markveidemanis |
minetest.register_alias(default:air, conifers:leaves) |
| 16:58 |
kaeza |
minetest.register_alias("conifers:leaves", "default:air") * |
| 16:58 |
markveidemanis |
Ok, but how do i do that in game? |
| 16:58 |
kaeza |
you need to create a separate mod |
| 16:58 |
kaeza |
and make it depend on conifers |
| 16:59 |
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| 16:59 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, Infinity_69 I will try to help when I can |
| 16:59 |
Infinity_69 |
i already got what i needed |
| 16:59 |
Infinity_69 |
nt 2 you |
| 16:59 |
markveidemanis |
By sending me the map and putting down the server, Right? |
| 17:00 |
markveidemanis |
so i can *Tweak* it |
| 17:01 |
markveidemanis |
Wait... |
| 17:01 |
markveidemanis |
CONIFERS GROW OD PROTESTED LAND |
| 17:01 |
markveidemanis |
PROTECTED |
| 17:01 |
markveidemanis |
MUST REMOVE |
| 17:02 |
kaeza |
NO CAPSLOCK PLZ |
| 17:02 |
markveidemanis |
OK! |
| 17:03 |
Infinity_69 |
KAEZA, STFU, MARK, STFU, INFINITY_69, STOP CAPS-LOCKING YOU DUMBASS! |
| 17:03 |
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| 17:03 |
markveidemanis |
? |
| 17:03 |
markveidemanis |
Which one? |
| 17:03 |
Zeg9 |
Don't worry, that happens, he just forgotten his drugs... |
| 17:03 |
Zeg9 |
Hi PilzAdam |
| 17:03 |
kaeza |
/ignore Infinity_69 all |
| 17:04 |
Infinity_69 |
no |
| 17:04 |
markveidemanis |
Ok. |
| 17:04 |
markveidemanis |
I will switch to a better client JUST to do that |
| 17:04 |
Infinity_69 |
:D |
| 17:04 |
Zeg9 |
you aren't really better, mark |
| 17:04 |
Infinity_69 |
your move, mark! |
| 17:04 |
markveidemanis |
Umm... |
| 17:04 |
Infinity_69 |
yeah! |
| 17:04 |
Infinity_69 |
Zeg9, +1 |
| 17:04 |
markveidemanis |
Umm... |
| 17:05 |
markveidemanis |
Zeg9: You forgot a capital! |
| 17:05 |
Infinity_69 |
*le me doesnt care |
| 17:05 |
Zeg9 |
Yeah, I think you're right. That's so sad. |
| 17:05 |
kaeza |
inb4 +q |
| 17:05 |
Infinity_69 |
*le me doesnt give a shit |
| 17:05 |
Infinity_69 |
inb4? |
| 17:05 |
PilzAdam |
kaeza |
| 17:05 |
PilzAdam |
minetest.register_alias("conifers:leaves", "default:air") * |
| 17:05 |
PilzAdam |
thats wrong |
| 17:05 |
markveidemanis |
Why |
| 17:05 |
PilzAdam |
its "air" not default:air |
| 17:06 |
Zeg9 |
:)) |
| 17:06 |
Infinity_69 |
yeah! |
| 17:06 |
Infinity_69 |
:D |
| 17:06 |
Infinity_69 |
hey zeg |
| 17:06 |
kaeza |
right |
| 17:06 |
markveidemanis |
You joined before that was posted |
| 17:06 |
kaeza |
sowwy :) |
| 17:06 |
Infinity_69 |
give me a good forum software name, that isnt PunBB/PhpBB |
| 17:06 |
Zeg9 |
markveidemanis, do you know logs? |
| 17:06 |
markveidemanis |
Yep |
| 17:06 |
Zeg9 |
fluxbb (is a punbb fork) |
| 17:07 |
markveidemanis |
Zeg, can you fix my server |
| 17:07 |
Zeg9 |
markviedemanis, ? |
| 17:07 |
Infinity_69 |
no punbb's |
| 17:07 |
markveidemanis |
And all the conifers **** |
| 17:07 |
Zeg9 |
Infinity_69, why? and why on #minetest? |
| 17:08 |
markveidemanis |
I need the server to be reverted to a previous backup |
| 17:08 |
markveidemanis |
OldCOder... |
| 17:08 |
Infinity_69 |
*le me just saying |
| 17:09 |
markveidemanis |
OldCOder |
| 17:09 |
markveidemanis |
? |
| 17:09 |
OldCoder |
Gnn> |
| 17:09 |
markveidemanis |
Keyboard glitched |
| 17:09 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, how far back?: |
| 17:09 |
markveidemanis |
BeforE conifers |
| 17:09 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, can we simply clean out the conifers? |
| 17:09 |
OldCoder |
Using clean mod? |
| 17:09 |
markveidemanis |
And then remove it |
| 17:09 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, I can't talk now. But we can either revert or use clean. Don't worry. |
| 17:10 |
OldCoder |
I assume the clean mod will do |
| 17:10 |
OldCoder |
BUT |
| 17:10 |
OldCoder |
please talk to VanessaE first because there is no point unless we disable conifers in More Trees |
| 17:10 |
Infinity_69 |
SOMEBODY GIVE ME A GOOD OPEN SOURCE GAME, QUICK! |
| 17:10 |
OldCoder |
I need the patch for that |
| 17:10 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, Minetest |
| 17:10 |
OldCoder |
:P |
| 17:10 |
markveidemanis |
conifers:leaves conifers:trunk |
| 17:11 |
OldCoder |
Talk to VanessaE about More Trees patch or conifers will come back |
| 17:11 |
Infinity_69 |
except mt! |
| 17:11 |
OldCoder |
I think |
| 17:11 |
Infinity_69 |
its already added |
| 17:11 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, Secret Maryo |
| 17:11 |
OldCoder |
<-- disclaimer: It has a little of his code in it :-) |
| 17:11 |
markveidemanis |
Infinity_69:Minecraft |
| 17:11 |
Infinity_69 |
MINECRAFT?! |
| 17:11 |
Infinity_69 |
WTF |
| 17:11 |
Infinity_69 |
that is NOT OS |
| 17:11 |
markveidemanis |
So? |
| 17:12 |
markveidemanis |
OS: SO?! |
| 17:12 |
markveidemanis |
OldCoder: and remove technic/mesecons |
| 17:12 |
markveidemanis |
and glooptest |
| 17:12 |
Infinity_69 |
OS = Operating System ; Open Source |
| 17:12 |
markveidemanis |
and i need the map to test on |
| 17:13 |
Infinity_69 |
EVERYBODY GO THER |
| 17:13 |
Infinity_69 |
http://minetest.web1337.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=5 |
| 17:13 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, are you sure?? O.K. |
| 17:13 |
* Infinity_69 |
loves that forum |
| 17:13 |
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| 17:13 |
* Infinity_69 |
loves porn |
| 17:13 |
markveidemanis |
OC: plz send me the map |
| 17:13 |
* Infinity_69 |
loves anal |
| 17:14 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, O.K. |
| 17:14 |
* Infinity_69 |
saw porn there |
| 17:14 |
* Infinity_69 |
saw anal there |
| 17:14 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, please watch it |
| 17:14 |
Infinity_69 |
go there |
| 17:14 |
Infinity_69 |
http://minetest.web1337.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=5 |
| 17:14 |
* OldCoder |
is mostly away |
| 17:14 |
markveidemanis |
and il edit it with clean mod, remove and edit some mods and send you the map and modpack |
| 17:14 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, that sounds fine! |
| 17:14 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, I promise to work with you on this |
| 17:14 |
markveidemanis |
Yep |
| 17:15 |
OldCoder |
Infinity_69, this is an all ages channel. Please watch it or we'll need to mute you til I get back from San Jose. |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
mark! |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
San Jose? |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
mark |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
go there |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
http://minetest.web1337.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=5 |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
its Zeg9's forum :d |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
fileld with p0rn |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
xd |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
some asshole filled it :D |
| 17:15 |
Zeg9 |
xD |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
he filled it with alot of d**k |
| 17:15 |
Infinity_69 |
xd |
| 17:16 |
* Infinity_69 |
is amazed |
| 17:16 |
Zeg9 |
all these guys are russians |
| 17:16 |
Zeg9 |
weird... |
| 17:16 |
* Infinity_69 |
doesnt like russian p0rn |
| 17:16 |
markveidemanis |
Wat |
| 17:16 |
Zeg9 |
plus they have idfferent ips |
| 17:16 |
Infinity_69 |
pr0xy |
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PilzAdam |
Infinity_69, stop it or i report you to #freenode |
| 17:16 |
Infinity_69 |
xD |
| 17:16 |
Infinity_69 |
p0rnxy |
| 17:17 |
Zeg9 |
Ok, now I deleted the 3 spammers, the forum is empty |
| 17:17 |
Infinity_69 |
aww... |
| 17:17 |
Infinity_69 |
why?! |
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markveidemanis |
is there a Fork of minetest |
| 17:24 |
markveidemanis |
http://minetest.weebly.com/minetest-forks.html |
| 17:24 |
markveidemanis |
Many! |
| 17:24 |
markveidemanis |
4 |
| 17:25 |
Infinity_69 |
mark |
| 17:25 |
Infinity_69 |
Y U USE A WEBS/WEEBLY/YOLA THING?! |
| 17:25 |
Infinity_69 |
is that a thing? |
| 17:25 |
Infinity_69 |
it used to be a thing, yeah! |
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markveidemanis |
Now to compile minetest 4 times... |
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Infinity_69_ |
hi |
| 17:29 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, update your unofficial changelog |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
done? |
| 17:31 |
Infinity_69_ |
yo calinou, do you like free games that run on linux? |
| 17:31 |
Infinity_69_ |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUsuHMBkOU |
| 17:31 |
Infinity_69_ |
look |
| 17:31 |
Infinity_69_ |
No Heroes |
| 17:32 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, the smaller junglegrass texture is actually a fix to some texture glitch when digging |
| 17:32 |
Calinou |
yes, but it is still shorter |
| 17:33 |
Infinity_69_ |
Calinou |
| 17:33 |
Infinity_69_ |
do you like it? |
| 17:33 |
Calinou |
Infinity_69_: nope.avi |
| 17:33 |
Infinity_69 |
why not?! |
| 17:33 |
Calinou |
because :3 |
| 17:33 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, and where are the particles? |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder, markveidemanis: that is not a conifer from my mod (there isn't enough ground for that tree to have spawned in the current version). Either someone planted it or your copy of moretrees and/or plantlife is out of date. |
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OldCoder |
VanessaE, I will need to check then |
| 17:35 |
OldCoder |
Thanks |
| 17:35 |
PilzAdam |
hello VanessaE |
| 17:36 |
markveidemanis |
Still remove whatever that is |
| 17:36 |
marktraceur |
http://servers.minetest.ru/ |
| 17:36 |
markveidemanis |
Im compiling 2 minetests |
| 17:36 |
marktraceur |
Congrats to D-L-K for achieving 100% uptime :P |
| 17:36 |
VanessaE |
also, |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
if you want to prevent a tree from growing in the area, place a few trunks in the ground. |
| 17:37 |
Infinity_69 |
marktraceur |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
the mod checks for the presence of a conifer trunk or sapling before spawning another one. |
| 17:37 |
Infinity_69 |
do you like Free2Play FPS games? |
| 17:37 |
Infinity_69 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUsuHMBkOU |
| 17:37 |
Infinity_69 |
look! |
| 17:37 |
Infinity_69 |
No Heroes |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
so if you put a trunk in the ground with one layer of dirt above it, a tree of that type will not spawn within ~7 nodes of that trunk. |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
(works for jungle trees too) |
| 17:38 |
markveidemanis |
i wont sink to thay level.... |
| 17:38 |
markveidemanis |
that |
| 17:39 |
markveidemanis |
will it grow in ptotected area |
| 17:39 |
markveidemanis |
Protected |
| 17:39 |
Infinity_69 |
markveidemains |
| 17:39 |
Infinity_69 |
do you like Free2Play FPS games? |
| 17:39 |
Infinity_69 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUsuHMBkOU |
| 17:39 |
Infinity_69 |
No Heroes |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
they're trees, they don't check for protection before spawning |
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Infinity_69 was kicked by VanessaE: stop advertising! |
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VanessaE |
eventually I'll change it to spawn saplings at mapgen time, if I can figure out a fast way to do it. |
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markveidemanis |
k |
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VanessaE |
"[01-17 12:39] <markveidemanis> i wont sink to thay level...." |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 17:42 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, -> mapgen.cpp |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: I meant via whatever Lua hooks there are. |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
I ain't adding to the C++ mapgen. |
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kaeza |
marktraceur, and shame on Calinou... (~50% uptime) :P |
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Calinou |
the domain expired |
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kaeza |
oh lol |
| 17:54 |
kaeza |
sowwy, just kidding |
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mauvebic |
my throat feels like chunky salsa :S |
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VanessaE |
mauvebic: sorry to hear :( |
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mauvebic |
dunno if its a cold or just the electric heating lol |
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FreeFull |
What was my quit message? |
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rubenwardy |
new forum: http://multa.bugs3.com/forum/ |
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rubenwardy |
(5:55:27 PM) FreeFull left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 256 seconds). |
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Zeg9 |
lol |
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FreeFull |
rubenwardy: Not that one |
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FreeFull |
The one after that |
| 18:06 |
rubenwardy |
this is none... |
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mauvebic |
can python "read" images (like color values) ? |
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VanessaE |
it can write them for sure |
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mauvebic |
i wanna recreate expo 67 though id like to "import" the terrain from google maps |
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Jordach |
huh...what happened |
| 18:09 |
FreeFull |
mauvebic: I'm sure there is a library that allows you to do that |
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* Jordach |
fell asleep at the keyboard |
| 18:09 |
kaeza |
mauvebic, PIL? |
| 18:10 |
mauvebic |
i know PIL draws them |
| 18:10 |
mauvebic |
i wonder if it can fetch color values |
| 18:10 |
kaeza |
PythonMagick? |
| 18:11 |
mauvebic |
PIL apparently can do it |
| 18:11 |
mauvebic |
re: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4643847/python-how-to-get-a-list-of-color-that-used-in-one-image |
| 18:12 |
mauvebic |
i saw a guy on youtube write a simcity map converter for MC i think |
| 18:13 |
mauvebic |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_tZ3TZa1qw |
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NakedFury |
how would exporting towers work? |
| 18:13 |
berome |
mauvebic: if your throat is around 18 years old, it needs Grog! |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
Jordach was working on a map converter for some Nintendo DS game I think |
| 18:14 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, that was handbuilding |
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marktraceur |
VanessaE: Nice kick |
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berome |
(just before slleping) |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: oh. |
| 18:14 |
Jordach |
i've woken up from passing out |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 18:15 |
mauvebic |
well importing simcity maps is not nearly as handy as doing it w/ google maps lol |
| 18:15 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, im really tired |
| 18:16 |
VanessaE |
so go to bed :) |
| 18:16 |
Jordach |
nope. |
| 18:16 |
* Jordach |
has had coffee |
| 18:16 |
VanessaE |
well in that case tank up on more of the same and just go all the way back around to your next bedtime :) |
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Jordach |
mauvebic, I think SimCity 3000 was the best |
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Jordach |
IMO* |
| 18:17 |
Infinity_69 |
hi |
| 18:17 |
Infinity_69 |
this is very inspirational |
| 18:17 |
Infinity_69 |
http://youtu.be/QebfhCmQnJ4?t=1m31s |
| 18:17 |
Infinity_69 |
wait no |
| 18:17 |
Infinity_69 |
http://youtu.be/QebfhCmQnJ4?t=1m32s |
| 18:17 |
Infinity_69 |
this one |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
New website, Infinity_69: http://multa.bugs3.com/ |
| 18:18 |
Infinity_69 |
"Dont go to college, make videos on Youtube!" |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3a%2f%2fmulta.bugs3.com%2findex.php |
| 18:18 |
Infinity_69 |
yes, i saw that :/ |
| 18:18 |
Infinity_69 |
ruben |
| 18:18 |
Infinity_69 |
http://youtu.be/QebfhCmQnJ4?t=1m32s |
| 18:18 |
Infinity_69 |
look at this |
| 18:19 |
Infinity_69 |
this is REAL inspirational |
| 18:19 |
Zeg9 |
ruben, did you make this html 5 logo? |
| 18:20 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 18:20 |
rubenwardy |
edited it from a old logo |
| 18:20 |
Zeg9 |
Nice name: ESME |
| 18:20 |
rubenwardy|away |
brb, supper |
| 18:21 |
Infinity_69 |
http://youtu.be/QebfhCmQnJ4?t=2m45s |
| 18:21 |
Zeg9 |
shut up |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
Zeg9, /ignore Infinity_69 all |
| 18:21 |
Infinity_69 |
:/ |
| 18:22 |
VanessaE |
"Soon minecraft will be a minetest ripoff ;)" -- Casimir, in a forum thread |
| 18:22 |
VanessaE |
hahaha |
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kaeza |
Jordach, /mode Infinity_69 +q |
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Infinity_69 |
hi celeron55 |
| 18:24 |
Infinity_69 |
http://youtu.be/QebfhCmQnJ4?t=2m45s |
| 18:24 |
Infinity_69 |
look |
| 18:24 |
Infinity_69 |
this is how i feel about you o.o |
| 18:26 |
thexyz |
lol wtf http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4479 |
| 18:26 |
Calinou |
+1, loled too |
| 18:26 |
Calinou |
"and I think you, can even upload the, whole pc on it to make room in your's harddrive and move it back later, or upload whatever you like and, unload it on some other pc without a usb or something." |
| 18:26 |
Calinou |
scp ftw! |
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thexyz |
ssh for huge file transfers? *genius* |
| 18:28 |
mauvebic |
i wonder how many of these trolls are actually the same person lol |
| 18:28 |
thexyz |
or just stupid |
| 18:29 |
NakedFury |
this likwid guy has been posting new topics non stop |
| 18:29 |
marktraceur |
Infinity_69: Quit reposting videos and spamming. |
| 18:29 |
Infinity_69 |
im sharing! |
| 18:29 |
Infinity_69 |
:D |
| 18:29 |
Infinity_69 |
not spamming :D |
| 18:30 |
thexyz |
quit sharing then. |
| 18:30 |
marktraceur |
Infinity_69: You're sharing too often, and repeating the same thing. |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
thexyz: yeah, it sucks for large files |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
but useful if you have no external HDD/USB drive/DVD/whatever |
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kaeza |
NakedFury, also, I find it amusing that jojoa1997 joined a month ago and has around 900 posts already |
| 18:31 |
mauvebic |
why would i backup my files when most are torrents i could get back easily lol |
| 18:32 |
Calinou |
seems legit |
| 18:32 |
* celeron55 |
has 299 posts |
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* marktraceur |
adds "six internal terabyte-or-bigger drives" to the list of possibly helpful devices |
| 18:32 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: You're almost a life master! |
| 18:32 |
celeron55 |
and joined literally first |
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marktraceur |
</bridge-humour> |
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PilzAdam |
the second registered user has 0 posts |
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Jordach |
D: |
| 18:33 |
Jordach |
trolol |
| 18:33 |
celeron55 |
what a lamer! |
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thexyz |
PilzAdam: and is named test_user |
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mauvebic |
1091, though mostly screencaps |
| 18:34 |
NakedFury |
would you guys let this man work on your pc? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1IqqlW1U4k |
| 18:34 |
Calinou |
marktraceur: what about a GTX690 |
| 18:34 |
* Calinou |
would like to see nvidia-to-nouveau ratio :3 |
| 18:35 |
kaeza |
wow I have 399! |
| 18:35 |
kaeza |
gotta make a nice 400th post :) |
| 18:35 |
PilzAdam |
NakedFury, sure |
| 18:36 |
NakedFury |
amazinlgy I had never seen that video before |
| 18:36 |
marktraceur |
Calinou: What? Oh, referring to the drives |
| 18:36 |
Calinou |
on a GTX680 nouveau is 6.7 times slower than nvidia |
| 18:37 |
mauvebic |
my favorite part of nouveau is doing sudo pacman -Rs nouveau lol |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
notbad.jpg |
| 18:37 |
rubenwardy |
bacl |
| 18:37 |
marktraceur |
Calinou: I'm going to be shopping for new PC parts soonish, if you have suggestions for Nouveau-compatible devices I'd be interested to hear it |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
marktraceur: the 9800GTX is good for nouveau |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
it's the only nvidia GPU that can be reclocked, however its power consuption is high. |
| 18:37 |
marktraceur |
I don't mind paying a little extra in utilities |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
also it is fairly old -- it doesn't use never technologies such as GDDR5, and it has 1GB VRAM (today's high end GPUs have at least 2GB VRAM) |
| 18:38 |
Calinou |
marktraceur: might want to wait for haswell, then buy a powerful intel CPU and use its IGP, that works too :P |
| 18:38 |
mauvebic |
my nvidia card wasn't terribly new a year ago when i bought it and they only recently fixed flash hardware accel (not that it matters now lol) |
| 18:39 |
thexyz |
btw, Calinou, upnpc is *not* linux-only |
| 18:39 |
thexyz |
there is windows version |
| 18:39 |
Calinou |
marktraceur: http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1301096-RA-NOUVEAUGE37&sha=e9c64b7&p=2 |
| 18:39 |
celeron55 |
marktraceur: i added some stuff from http://minetest.net/wiki to http://dev.minetest.net/ |
| 18:39 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: Sweet! Thanks! |
| 18:39 |
Calinou |
as you can see, the GTX680 is just as fast, but it is 8 times* more expensive than a 9800GTX |
| 18:39 |
celeron55 |
marktraceur: there's still something left; should there be some kind of a list of things to do somewhere on dev.minetest.net? |
| 18:39 |
Calinou |
*the 9800GTX can only be bought "used", it's not manufactured anymore |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
there's port for mac too |
| 18:40 |
Calinou |
thexyz: most windows users don't want to deal with command line ;) link? |
| 18:40 |
celeron55 |
marktraceur: how have you thought things should work out |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
Calinou: http://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/files/ |
| 18:40 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: I'm going to plan and organize over tonight and tomorrow |
| 18:40 |
celeron55 |
ok |
| 18:41 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: Last night was spent in awful pain and disability, I climbed on Tuesday and my forearms are still killing me |
| 18:41 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: Roughly, I'll have people document the codebase on a file-by-file basis, hopefully tying things together into topics |
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marktraceur |
celeron55: And we'll forward e.g. class names to the right places, as well as common function names |
| 18:42 |
celeron55 |
that sounds like something in which stuff like doxygen should be considered, altough it isn't as flexible |
| 18:42 |
celeron55 |
dunno |
| 18:42 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: Well, we could do that too |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
(6:31:49 PM) kaeza: NakedFury, also, I find it amusing that jojoa1997 joined a month ago and has around 900 posts already |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
It is because he seemingly does not know how to use the "edit" button, and so creates many random posts. Also he asks a lot of questions |
| 18:42 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: The problem is, we'd need to merge that into the codebase, and I'm cogniscent of the code review situation |
| 18:43 |
celeron55 |
what does that word even mean |
| 18:43 |
kaeza |
rubenwardy, he also creates a lot of "me too" or "me neither" posts lol |
| 18:43 |
NakedFury |
the forums should have a script where double posting is not allowed, it tells you to edit the other post |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 18:44 |
celeron55 |
marktraceur: apparently the word you were looking for is cognisant |
| 18:44 |
mauvebic |
mmm cogniac |
| 18:44 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: Interesting |
| 18:44 |
NakedFury |
you guys make me check many of the words used here |
| 18:44 |
kaeza |
hmm... there seems to be somme formatting inconsistencies in lua_api.txt |
| 18:44 |
NakedFury |
dictionary searching skills are high |
| 18:44 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: I figured it was a similar root to "conscious", but all right |
| 18:44 |
kaeza |
the dreaded tab vs spaces problem |
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celeron55 |
marktraceur: i don't really understand what you mean by cognisant of the code review situation" still though |
| 18:46 |
celeron55 |
+" |
| 18:47 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: My understanding is that you're pretty hesitant to merge code, and (possibly related) there's a backlog of pull requests |
| 18:47 |
* marktraceur |
admittedly hasn't checked in a while |
| 18:47 |
Calinou |
<glitch ladders fix seal of approval> |
| 18:47 |
celeron55 |
the solution to that is not to stop doing things, but for different people to start doing it 8) |
| 18:48 |
celeron55 |
these days i am not hesitant; i am busy doing other things |
| 18:48 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: And I fully intend to turn my attention to that issue later, but this was one I thought should take priority |
| 18:49 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: If you think it would be relatively simple to alleviate the code review problem, I could probably handle merging a bunch of documentation efforts in the codebase itself |
| 18:49 |
celeron55 |
doing things one at a time is certainly a good idea, assuming you are only a single person 8) |
| 18:49 |
marktraceur |
Exactly. |
| 18:50 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, how can you specify a "footnote" in MediaWiki syntax? I'm accustomed to DokuWiki's ((footnote)) syntax |
| 18:50 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: You mean like a reference? <ref> tags or something, I believe. |
| 18:50 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: It might be an extension, though. One sec. |
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marktraceur |
kaeza: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php |
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marktraceur |
Even more better, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite |
| 18:51 |
celeron55 |
i'll write this here so i can't forget (or am forced to remember by someone else): I need to write a page about releasing new versions of minetest |
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kaeza |
marktraceur, thanks :) |
| 18:52 |
marktraceur |
Good plan |
| 18:53 |
PilzAdam |
celeron55, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-12-06#i_2693237 |
| 18:53 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: So I'll shift my plan to be a joint effort...we'll document process things and grander sections (things like "How the eff does mapgen work?") in the wiki, and do some more fine-grained stuff in code comments, and court documentation generators. |
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celeron55 |
PilzAdam: oh, i didn't even remember that - that is a good base 8) |
| 18:56 |
marktraceur |
OK, has someone fixed the bug where entities randomly appear next to other entities? |
| 18:56 |
marktraceur |
(next to meaning inside, not next to) |
| 18:56 |
PilzAdam |
you mean the attachment bug? |
| 18:57 |
celeron55 |
i believe so; i fixed it in here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/0f1d2c127cd58aa9b1afa22769dcdaf8f71d05e6 |
| 18:57 |
PilzAdam |
there is still some strange behaviour when players load mapblocks with attached players |
| 18:58 |
PilzAdam |
s/players/objects |
| 18:58 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, I meant something more like this: http://cosmorpg.sourceforge.net/wiki/doku.php?id=wiki:syntax#footnotes |
| 18:58 |
celeron55 |
it's probably because the ids are unique to server instances, not unique to worlds |
| 18:59 |
celeron55 |
and they are saved regardless of that |
| 19:00 |
Calinou |
PilzAdam: also, simplemobs bugs, like if a mob leaves loaded area, it'll move perpetually and be invincible ;) |
| 19:00 |
Calinou |
this is quite an high-priority bug, because simplemobs is a quite good mod otherwise |
| 19:00 |
PilzAdam |
I cant do anything about engine bugs in handling Lua entities |
| 19:01 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: I don't know that I've seen something like that before....one sec |
| 19:01 |
PilzAdam |
its currently impossible to create a good working mobs mod in minetest |
| 19:02 |
marktraceur |
Oh, so |
| 19:02 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: Did that bugfix get backported to 0.4.4? |
| 19:02 |
Calinou |
simplemobs is a good start |
| 19:02 |
Calinou |
it runs OK on my netbook 8) |
| 19:02 |
celeron55 |
marktraceur: no |
| 19:02 |
marktraceur |
Hm. |
| 19:02 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: why? |
| 19:02 |
Calinou |
(I get slowdowns when fireballs hit something and make fire, though) |
| 19:02 |
celeron55 |
that fix could make 0.4.5 release-worthy right now, even |
| 19:03 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: If I built that commit anyway, would 0.4.4 binaries still work? |
| 19:03 |
Calinou |
there are enough changes to make a new version IMO |
| 19:03 |
marktraceur |
(as clients) |
| 19:03 |
mauvebic |
did visual scale get fixed with attach fix? |
| 19:03 |
celeron55 |
current master should interoperate just as well with 0.4.4 |
| 19:03 |
Calinou |
teh changelogs http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/0.4.x-changelog.txt |
| 19:03 |
marktraceur |
K. |
| 19:03 |
thexyz |
oh, wait |
| 19:03 |
Calinou |
marktraceur: ^ |
| 19:03 |
celeron55 |
(if not, there is a bug) |
| 19:03 |
marktraceur |
I'll rebuild the server, then, because that bug is annoyinggggg |
| 19:03 |
celeron55 |
it's a client-side bug |
| 19:03 |
NakedFury |
normally how many fixes or changes are enough for another digit in release version? 0.4.5? |
| 19:03 |
Calinou |
it's just as big as the 0.4.4 one, if not bigger |
| 19:04 |
thexyz |
http://bpaste.net/show/70449/ |
| 19:04 |
celeron55 |
actually, no... it's a server-side bug |
| 19:04 |
celeron55 |
8) |
| 19:04 |
celeron55 |
so yes, that will fix it |
| 19:04 |
celeron55 |
NakedFury: any |
| 19:04 |
marktraceur |
Yeah, I can't imagine why a client bug would create entities |
| 19:04 |
mauvebic |
coolness |
| 19:04 |
celeron55 |
NakedFury: 1 to 1000000 |
| 19:05 |
mauvebic |
what about maps taking a long time to load? i dont know anything about emergethread people keep talking about lol |
| 19:06 |
kaeza |
celeron55, is there a way to (for example) tell the client "this chunk is made *entirely* out of air"? |
| 19:06 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, because the handling of Lua entities in the engine is quite buggy |
| 19:07 |
Calinou |
mauvebic: disable "preload item visuals" |
| 19:07 |
celeron55 |
kaeza: the server compresses the node data, so a mapblock made completely out of air will be quite small |
| 19:07 |
Calinou |
celeron55: maybe disable it by default? there is no longer a black screen when generating visuals so there is nothing to be lost |
| 19:07 |
mauvebic |
im not even sure what that option does lol |
| 19:07 |
kaeza |
celeron55, k |
| 19:07 |
Calinou |
mauvebic: it preloads item visuals. ;) |
| 19:07 |
celeron55 |
:D |
| 19:08 |
mauvebic |
as opposed... to streaming them? :p |
| 19:08 |
Calinou |
to generating them as you see them |
| 19:08 |
celeron55 |
"loading item visuals" = generating the item mesh and rendering a node to an image if it is a node |
| 19:09 |
mauvebic |
ah okay it affects -/+ |
| 19:09 |
celeron55 |
it chooses when to do it; the result is always cached |
| 19:09 |
mauvebic |
i noticed beneath a certain range it doesn't reduce the view |
| 19:09 |
Calinou |
no, it doesn't |
| 19:09 |
mauvebic |
so thats what that does, good to know lol :-) |
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| 19:10 |
Calinou |
the +/- keys adjust minimum range, not maximum |
| 19:10 |
kaeza |
hi TheGIMP |
| 19:10 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
the clipping is done block-by-block not node-by-node |
| 19:10 |
* TheGIMP |
bows |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
we are not using cube engine :D |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
TheGIMP: ohai, photoshop is better, amirite? |
| 19:11 |
TheGIMP |
Never used it. Is it free? |
| 19:11 |
mauvebic |
im partial to windows 3.1 paint |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
adobe pays you as you use it |
| 19:12 |
TheGIMP |
OooOO.....Really. |
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| 19:12 |
Calinou |
TheGIMP: we know you're "shaun" |
| 19:12 |
Calinou |
real name :) |
| 19:12 |
TheGIMP |
Yea :) |
| 19:12 |
TheGIMP |
I left kizeren account logged in. |
| 19:12 |
TheGIMP |
And I am bored getting car worked on and have nothing else to do :) |
| 19:14 |
TheGIMP |
Going to try this transport thing on the game. But man can't find chromium to save my life.. |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
find firefox then |
| 19:15 |
TheGIMP |
? |
| 19:16 |
TheGIMP |
The crafting guide says I need chromium to make steel so I can make transport tubes. |
| 19:16 |
TheGIMP |
Doesn't say anything about a web browser. |
| 19:16 |
Calinou |
steel is just smelted iron... |
| 19:17 |
TheGIMP |
Sorry....stainless steel I meant. |
| 19:17 |
TheGIMP |
OMG......This had to of been kaeza. kaeza, you didn't by chance fill my house full of leaves did you? :D |
| 19:17 |
kaeza |
wat |
| 19:18 |
TheGIMP |
My house on minetest.org 30000 is full of leaves :) |
| 19:18 |
kaeza |
I'd do it with lava |
| 19:18 |
kaeza |
not with leaves :P |
| 19:18 |
kaeza |
BTW, TheGIMP → http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4469 |
| 19:19 |
TheGIMP |
That is awesome. |
| 19:20 |
celeron55 |
http://dev.minetest.net/Releasing_Minetest |
| 19:20 |
celeron55 |
8) |
| 19:21 |
Calinou |
you forgot one step |
| 19:21 |
Calinou |
"sleep", then add "listen to users complaining about bugs" |
| 19:21 |
kaeza |
lol http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64373#p64373 |
| 19:22 |
mauvebic |
jesus christ lol has he not seen the edit button? |
| 19:22 |
VanessaE |
TheGIMP: you could also try the bare version of pipeworks - it has item transport now, without needing technic, and has simpler crafting recipes :D |
| 19:23 |
TheGIMP |
I am trying this on OldCoders server. WIll update my personal server this weekend and try. |
| 19:23 |
mauvebic |
i guess the ultra minimal version would be called barrack-naked-pipes lol |
| 19:23 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 19:23 |
VanessaE |
your ultra-bare one is, yet again, out of date :D |
| 19:24 |
TheGIMP |
And actually. I am trying to think of a good use for transport. |
| 19:24 |
Calinou |
how 'bout romney pipes |
| 19:24 |
VanessaE |
(and we use the phrase "buck naked" btw :-) ) |
| 19:24 |
mauvebic |
barrack naked isn't a reference to obama lol |
| 19:24 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: he's trying to avoid the expensive ones duh :-) |
| 19:25 |
kizeren2 |
How are the trees coming along? |
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mauvebic |
i dont see what changed on the pipes side of things |
| 19:26 |
* kaeza |
will take note to not use WTFPL for mods again |
| 19:26 |
mauvebic |
howcome |
| 19:26 |
kaeza |
gawd that likwid guy is copying everyone |
| 19:26 |
mauvebic |
he's a troll |
| 19:26 |
mauvebic |
prolly LM/NK/MV |
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| 19:28 |
Obiewan1111 |
Anyone else here that's from Britain and has snow? |
| 19:28 |
mauvebic |
im in canada and ours was melting lol |
| 19:29 |
kaeza |
"You mind not Spamming jojoa?" -- Obiewan1111 ↠LOL |
| 19:29 |
mauvebic |
i saw the video of people pushing a bus up a hill in norwich lol |
| 19:29 |
mauvebic |
no winter tires/tracks/chains in britain? |
| 19:29 |
Obiewan1111 |
Also.. Is there a way I can edit how blocks look like whilst destroying? |
| 19:29 |
NakedFury |
the crack.png? |
| 19:30 |
Obiewan1111 |
Nope. The whole country just goes into a fricking shut-down when we get like 2 mm of snow. |
| 19:30 |
kaeza |
nodedef.visual_scale only affects wielded item right? |
| 19:30 |
mauvebic |
no salt or sand on the roads? |
| 19:30 |
mauvebic |
isn't windsor salt british? |
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| 19:31 |
Obiewan1111 |
Salt is the only thing that happens. |
| 19:31 |
Obiewan1111 |
Nothing else, just shut-down. |
| 19:32 |
marktraceur |
Obiewan1111: I've heard London does that, but I haven't heard anything about the rest of the country |
| 19:32 |
* marktraceur |
has three coworkers from the UK, weather is a frequent topic of discussion |
| 19:32 |
mauvebic |
what ticks me off is we still have snow days in schools for relatively little snowfall - teachers get the day off parents have their hands full |
| 19:33 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: Solution, buy proper winter clothes and throw them at a snowbank. They make their own fun. |
| 19:34 |
mauvebic |
or - back in the city - waiting for hour(s) at -25c for a bus thats been rerouted lol |
| 19:34 |
mauvebic |
i dont have any kids thank fucking god lol |
| 19:34 |
mauvebic |
back in the 90's they were happy with 90$ discmans' |
| 19:34 |
mauvebic |
now it takes an iphone and a fucking laptop lol |
| 19:35 |
Calinou |
heh, if I force 32× antialiasing in nvidia X server settings, minetest ignores it, but sauerbraten uses it (and faster than sauerbraten-provided 16× AA) |
| 19:35 |
mauvebic |
shit you have to saveup for yourself they just expect you to give |
| 19:35 |
Calinou |
btw, way to save money: "buy proper winter clothes" and don't use heat condensers or whatever these are called :3 |
| 19:36 |
Calinou |
also makes your computer cooler :D |
| 19:37 |
mauvebic |
anyways the world is overpopulated i wouldn't be doing any favours adding more wretched little consumers lol |
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| 19:38 |
marktraceur |
mauvebic: There's a simple way to deal with your issue: Follow the path of the hacker, forego iPhones and expensive laptops. |
| 19:38 |
kaeza |
Anyone knows if nodedef.special_tiles is used for other things than animated textures? |
| 19:39 |
mauvebic |
ive had the same phone for 3 years |
| 19:39 |
mauvebic |
been fixing the same p4 for 7 years |
| 19:39 |
OldCoder |
mauvebic, Does it still work? |
| 19:39 |
mauvebic |
they both do |
| 19:39 |
NakedFury |
I had a motorola razr for years and years before I got the iphone |
| 19:39 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, I am sorry I was busy for two days. If you can see me again I will try to do all that you have requested. |
| 19:39 |
* Menche |
has had the same phone for 5 years, and it was used then |
| 19:39 |
* Calinou |
has no phone |
| 19:40 |
OldCoder |
If somebody sees Infinity_69 tell him the same thing |
| 19:40 |
Calinou |
beat you all in "how old is your phone" |
| 19:40 |
* OldCoder |
is headed for the bus |
| 19:40 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, 30 years |
| 19:40 |
OldCoder |
well, one of them |
| 19:40 |
OldCoder |
No phone? |
| 19:40 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 19:40 |
OldCoder |
1/0 = ? |
| 19:40 |
Calinou |
mobile phone of course |
| 19:40 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 19:40 |
mauvebic |
though when the contract expires im going back to dumbphones |
| 19:40 |
Calinou |
marktraceur: forget any laptops* FTFY |
| 19:41 |
OldCoder |
Phones used to... |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
mauvebic: in france some carrier sells 2hour + unlimited SMS for 2 euros/month |
| 19:41 |
OldCoder |
just sit there on the wall |
| 19:41 |
OldCoder |
They were round |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
we're the country where carriers are the cheapest in the world, AFAIK |
| 19:41 |
OldCoder |
No keyboards or videos. They went "Ring!" when there was a call. |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
(and it can be free if you're in that carrier's ISP) |
| 19:41 |
mauvebic |
yeah but is it subsidized? |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
no, it's not a MVNO |
| 19:41 |
mauvebic |
i knew wine was cheap there |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
wine would be more expensive |
| 19:42 |
mauvebic |
we pay 12$ for something thats considered cheap here lol |
| 19:42 |
Menche |
my phone can take pictures! you can't transfer them directly, but for a fee the carrier will email them to you |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
mauvebic: $12 for how many hours? :P |
| 19:42 |
Menche |
lol |
| 19:42 |
OldCoder |
I always think WINE when I see the word... as in Windows |
| 19:42 |
* OldCoder |
will return later. BackupCoder will look in. |
| 19:42 |
mauvebic |
cheap wine is only good for sangria lol |
| 19:42 |
mauvebic |
or cooking |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
wine sucks, it runs trackmania nations forever fine with no glitches, DAE agrees? |
| 19:43 |
mauvebic |
well its the kind of high value, non environmentally destructive industry we should have more of here |
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| 19:43 |
mauvebic |
microbrewing has been taking off for a few years tho |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
suddenly: AMD headquarters and factories are moving to canada |
| 19:44 |
mauvebic |
molson and labbatt and other generic beers taste like pisswater by comparison |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
then drink pisswater |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
trollface.jpg |
| 19:44 |
mauvebic |
Calinou> suddenly: AMD headquarters and factories are moving to canada |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
that was a joke :p |
| 19:44 |
mauvebic |
thats cuz robots are becoming cheaper than chinese |
| 19:45 |
* Calinou |
replied to a post made by an AMD employee a few days ago on phoronix |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
guess what; he got mad when I said nvidia was better |
| 19:45 |
mauvebic |
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/01/17/0116233/a-humanoid-robot-named-baxter-could-revive-us-manufacturing |
| 19:45 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, is there a tag for an inline "This section needs expansion"? Or should I use {{cn}}? |
| 19:46 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, "* Added particles when digging blocks (Jeija)" is Jeija & PilzAdam |
| 19:46 |
marktraceur |
VanessaE: Can you remind me how the Mese transition was settled on? Does crafting mese give you one crystal or more? |
| 19:46 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: You should create templates for those |
| 19:46 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: {{cn}} is defined on wikipedia, not in MediaWiki |
| 19:46 |
Calinou |
PilzAdam: kay |
| 19:46 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, I already defined {{cn}} |
| 19:47 |
kaeza |
(sort of) |
| 19:47 |
mauvebic |
crystal mese like crystal meth, is a highly addictive form a mese |
| 19:47 |
mauvebic |
*of |
| 19:47 |
kaeza |
marktraceur, is this correct? http://dev.minetest.net/Template:cn |
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| 19:49 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Looks good to me. You could also create e.g. {{needsexpansion}} and/or {{ne}} |
| 19:50 |
marktraceur |
Big ol' yellow <div> with bold text that will surely scare any passing user into helping expand the section |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
offtopic, but I wonder what's the difference between the quality settings in nvidia-settings |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
I get 900FPS instead of 700FPS on hallo on sauerbraten with high performance instead of high quality |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
but they do not affect anisotropic filtering and anti-aliasing... |
| 19:52 |
mauvebic |
900 FPS? |
| 19:53 |
mauvebic |
mine always maxes at 60 lo0l |
| 19:53 |
Menche |
is there any advantage to having the FPS higher than the monitor refresh rate? |
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| 19:54 |
Calinou |
mauvebic: you eanbled vsync? |
| 19:54 |
VanessaE |
marktraceur: dig a mese crystals in stone "ore" object to get one crystal. craft 9 of those into a regular default:mese block, or craft one crystal by itself to get 9 fragments. blocks can also be found rarely at Y-1024. |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
Menche: other than having lower input-vs-video latency, no, I normally limit to 65FPS |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
saves a lot of power |
| 19:54 |
VanessaE |
the "ore" replaces what used to be the old mese from -1024 up to -128. |
| 19:54 |
VanessaE |
bbiab |
| 19:55 |
marktraceur |
VanessaE: If I have existing mese blocks in an inventory, what happens to them? |
| 19:55 |
VanessaE |
nothing, they remain mese blocks and are usable in old recipes |
| 19:55 |
VanessaE |
they just look better now :) |
| 19:56 |
mauvebic |
i need vsync for vlc |
| 19:56 |
kizeren2 |
Okay, I have two chests connected with transport tube. How do I begin the transfer? |
| 19:56 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, "define" better |
| 19:56 |
mauvebic |
cuz vlc 2 sucks |
| 19:56 |
Menche |
is it too late so suggest a compromise for the mese issue? |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
"High Quality - This setting results in the best image quality for your applications. It is not necessary for average users who run game applications, and designed for more advanced users to generate images that do not take advantage of the programming capability of the texture filtering hardware." |
| 19:56 |
mauvebic |
vlc outright denied my bug reports for a year until a dozen comments with similar situations showed up lol |
| 19:57 |
mauvebic |
i guess thats how long it took for the major dists to catch up with arch's vlc version |
| 19:58 |
thexyz |
lolvlc |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
I see no difference between both, heh |
| 19:58 |
Jordach |
thexyz, better than anything you can come up with |
| 19:58 |
* Calinou |
switches to high performance |
| 19:58 |
thexyz |
http://i.imgur.com/kUzlm.jpg |
| 19:58 |
thexyz |
Jordach: lol, sure |
| 19:58 |
mauvebic |
what are these comparisons of? |
| 19:58 |
mauvebic |
(too small) |
| 19:59 |
mauvebic |
the only things i like about vlc over the others is the sound eq (full bass and treble) along with the easy remote control setup |
| 19:59 |
Jordach |
the best thing about vlc is the no hassle codecs, everything is already there when needed. |
| 19:59 |
mauvebic |
like alot of linux apps, they usually have one useful feature each, but none of them put it all together lol |
| 20:00 |
thexyz |
^^ http://i.imgur.com/BmF52.jpg |
| 20:00 |
* Jordach |
slaps thexyz with a large Fishbot |
| 20:02 |
kizeren2 |
VanessaE: You can't craft the item transport filter object? |
| 20:02 |
thexyz |
mauvebic: what's too small? |
| 20:02 |
PilzAdam |
gtg; bye |
| 20:02 |
thexyz |
Jordach: windows user spotted |
| 20:02 |
mauvebic |
i saw 3 windows but i couldnt tell which app was which |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
just look at the window titles.. |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
vlc is at top right |
| 20:03 |
thexyz |
oh, the bottom one is mplayer, the left one is mpc-hc |
| 20:05 |
mauvebic |
i dont know what decoder/driver youre using, but vlc doesn't blur for me |
| 20:05 |
thexyz |
that screenshot is not mine |
| 20:05 |
mauvebic |
i had issues with horizontal and diagonal tearing though |
| 20:05 |
thexyz |
apparently, it's some 10-bit video |
| 20:06 |
mauvebic |
horizontal tearing with my old ati radeon xpress 200 |
| 20:06 |
mauvebic |
diagonal with the new nividia i put in to replace it lol |
| 20:06 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=64140#p64140 |
| 20:06 |
Jordach |
SPilzard? |
| 20:07 |
Jordach |
did you mean: Spilzard? |
| 20:07 |
mauvebic |
vlc used to be the best though, dont know wtf theyve been doing for the last 6-8 years tho lol |
| 20:08 |
thexyz |
Jordach: nobody cares about CaPiTaLiZaTiOn |
| 20:08 |
rubenwardy |
bye |
| 20:08 |
rubenwardy |
bye |
| 20:08 |
thexyz |
bye |
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| 20:09 |
Calinou |
bye |
| 20:09 |
thexyz |
slowpoke.xcf |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
ln -s slowpoke.xcf debianuser.xcf |
| 20:13 |
kaeza |
can I have your input on this one? http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_node |
| 20:13 |
kaeza |
It's not finished yet |
| 20:14 |
kaeza |
comments* |
| 20:14 |
sapier |
needs to be more "visible" |
| 20:14 |
thexyz |
better use lists |
| 20:15 |
sapier |
there need's to be a section where you can get all important information with one look |
| 20:15 |
thexyz |
like *<code>drawtype</code> — Specifies how the game engine is to draw the node. See Node Drawtypes for more information. |
| 20:16 |
kaeza |
ok |
| 20:16 |
thexyz |
also <code>texturename.png</code> |
| 20:16 |
thexyz |
<code>texturename</code>, etc, etc |
| 20:16 |
sapier |
text is bad for technical documentation .... most ppl don't wanna read it |
| 20:18 |
sapier |
and of couse if 10 different programmers read same text you'll get 10 oppinions what this text says |
| 20:23 |
marktraceur |
One, for example, might say "That's not how you spell opinion" |
| 20:23 |
marktraceur |
:) |
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| 20:24 |
kaeza |
is this better? http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_node#Node_definition |
| 20:24 |
kaeza |
I think I should use tables... |
| 20:27 |
thexyz |
use — instead of -- |
| 20:27 |
thexyz |
and instead of "none" use none |
| 20:28 |
thexyz |
{ r=255, g=0, b=0, a=128 } → <source enclose="none">{ r=255, g=0, b=0, a=128 }</source> |
| 20:28 |
thexyz |
btw, we also have #minetest-doc |
| 20:29 |
kaeza |
oh thanks |
| 20:29 |
mauvebic |
and about half a dozen MI6 level channels lol |
| 20:29 |
kaeza |
and sowwy |
| 20:29 |
thexyz |
np |
| 20:34 |
BackupCoder |
quiet atm |
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Jordach |
OldCoder, yup |
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NakedFury |
http://techne.zeux.me/3cefa59 little fishies |
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Leuthihi |
sapier: Hello. Are there any known issues with your mod? I'm trying it in xyz's build (0.4.4.d1) but all I get are the pink bombs - even if I disable them via the mobf_settings GUI. Spawning a clownfish manually worked, though. "listactivemobs" crashes the server. |
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sapier |
you might need latest github version ... I'll se why listactivemobs crashes server |
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sapier |
what version did you try? latest github or last official one? |
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Leuthihi |
I used xyz's build from... let me check |
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Leuthihi |
14.01.2013 |
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sapier |
should be fine |
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sapier |
maybe you do have spawning disabled |
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sapier |
call /mobf_settings |
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sapier |
on settingss page |
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Leuthihi |
no, it's enabled. |
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Leuthihi |
I also tried "secondary spawning". |
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sapier |
singleplayer or client server? |
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Leuthihi |
client server |
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sapier |
settings aren't saved by server |
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sapier |
you need to create a config file in singleplayer mode |
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Leuthihi |
ah. |
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sapier |
at least until my patches to make server save settings are merged to core |
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Leuthihi |
so I start singleplayer, change the settings and then the server again? |
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Leuthihi |
animal spawning was enabled by default, though |
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sapier |
yes but make sure server uses same config file |
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sapier |
did you disable some mobs? |
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Leuthihi |
sapier: I tried to disable the creeper (it was the only mob that spawned) |
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sapier |
mobs do only spawn on new generated areas |
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sapier |
in generated areas they only spawn with secondary spawn algorithm (at least some of them) |
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sapier |
this is due to old spawning algorithm populating existing worlds did cause lots of lag in new worlds |
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Leuthihi |
Strange. Now that I changed the settings again (this time in singleplayer), I can't load the world (with the mod) anymore. |
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mauvebic |
psychedelic http://www.zimg.eu/i/3438299854 |
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Leuthihi |
I also tried "secondary spawning". |
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sapier |
what error message do you get? |
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sapier |
secondary spawning is very very rare you most likely won't see a mob spawning for hours |
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Leuthihi |
Adding animal sheep ... blah ... |
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Leuthihi |
21:58:51: ERROR[main]: C:\Users\Xandra\Documents\Downloads\minetest-0.4.4-win32\minetest-2013.01.14-61f5ca6b16\bin\..\games\minet |
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Leuthihi |
est_game\mods\sapier-animals_modpack-a475eed\animal_sheep\init.lua: |
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Leuthihi |
21:58:51: ERROR[main]: ...ame\mods\sapier-animals_modpack-a475eed\mobf/api.lua:122: attempt to index field 'register_spawn' (a nil |
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Leuthihi |
value) |
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sapier |
hmm maybe there's a bug in secondary spawning |
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sapier |
haven't used it for some time |
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Leuthihi |
where does it save the settings? |
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sapier |
minetest.conf |
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jojoa1997 |
what is the command to make server tell plyer something when using a command block from mesecon |
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Leuthihi |
sapier: Ok. So I commented out "# mobf_animal_spawning_secondary = true" and now I can load the world again. |
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sapier |
ok I'll have a look why secondary spawning crashes |
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sapier |
I've already found bug for listactivemobs |
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sapier |
will be fixed in github soon |
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Leuthihi |
great |
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sapier |
ok found and fixed secondary spawning too ... was a copy n paste error |
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sapier |
is it working for you now? |
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sapier |
at least in new worlds and new areas you should have mobs |
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babyface1031 |
PNG warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image what does this mean |
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sapier |
you've got a different png version |
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Leuthihi |
sapier: I found the bug |
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sapier |
can you tell me? |
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Leuthihi |
sapier: it's in api.lua at line 122 and line 123 |
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Leuthihi |
mobf_spawn_algorithms.register_spawn[mob.spawning.algorithm_secondary].register_spawn needs to be mobf_spawn_algorithms[mob.spawning.algorithm_secondary].register_spawn |
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sapier |
yes thats the copy n paste error I mentioned before |
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Leuthihi |
that ".register_spawn" seems to be from a copy and paste error |
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Leuthihi |
ah ok. :) |
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sapier |
remove ".register_spawn" and it won't crash anymore |
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Leuthihi |
I investigated it too and didn't see that you found it yourself already. |
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sapier |
still secondary spawning isn't quite common and recomended |
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sapier |
in fact only sheep does secondary spawning |
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Leuthihi |
the problem is that we already explored a quite large area, so we can't find any animals. |
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Leuthihi |
We'd love to have sheep and cows and chicken and the like, though. |
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Leuthihi |
but all we got is the pink bomb (creeper) |
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Leuthihi |
which seems to spawn rather often |
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Leuthihi |
(also on already discovered areas) |
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sapier |
but it should spawn at night only? |
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sapier |
what mobf version do you have github version or latest from forum thread? |
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Leuthihi |
yes at night |
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BillyBlueHat |
Cows please :D |
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Leuthihi |
I took the github version |
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sapier |
ok and you added it to an existing world? |
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Leuthihi |
I added it to the "minetest\mods" (so practically to all existing and all future worlds) |
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sapier |
you should add it to a game but that isn't source of error. |
| 21:22 |
sapier |
but the world you're playing is an old one? |
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Leuthihi |
well, how old is old? |
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Leuthihi |
It's a few days old |
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BillyBlueHat |
The world already existed before the mod was applied |
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sapier |
old is if it was created prior you did copy mobf to that folder ;-) |
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Leuthihi |
then yes |
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sapier |
ok then there will be no mobs within parts of this world that have been there prior you did copy it |
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sapier |
except that pink bomb ... but that's a bug |
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sapier |
but it explains why you do only see the bomb |
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BillyBlueHat |
Leuthihi: Found a sheep |
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sapier |
secondary spawner |
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sapier |
so at least this seams to work :-) |
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mauvebic |
car http://www.zimg.eu/i/1160896080 |
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Leuthihi |
would be nice to have some command which spawns a bunch of random animals near all players (or near the player issuing the command) |
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cosarara97 |
hi |
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Leuthihi |
well, thanks for your help, sapier |
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sapier |
put it as feature request issue to github so it won't be lost |
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cosarara97 |
I've been a long time "away" (without playing minetest), what is the 3d player status? |
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sapier |
completed |
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sapier |
as well as 3d mesh entities |
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cosarara97 |
mesh entities? |
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sapier |
3d models mesh based |
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sapier |
with animation |
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cosarara97 |
so no nodebox cows any more? |
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sapier |
no but not all mobs are mesh based ... it's a lot of work to do for any of it |
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sapier |
have a look at mobf github page to see what mobs are still not "meshed" ;-) |
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mauvebic |
http://www.tutorialsforblender3d.com/Models/index_Models.html |
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sapier |
won't quite help finding a suitable model and creating armature and texture will take aproximatly same time as doing all |
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sapier |
but if someone wants to create a model still missing I don't refuse it |
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NakedFury |
what style are you going for with the mobs? |
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sapier |
haven't decided for time beeing anything is accepted as long as model size isn't tooo big |
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sapier |
most mobs are block style |
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marktraceur |
Cube pigs! |
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marktraceur |
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCwhzwG7VVY) |
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NakedFury |
http://techne.zeux.me/ |
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NakedFury |
nice collection of block style mobs |
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NakedFury |
for MC java but we can check them out |
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sapier |
still you have to recreate in a format minetest can load |
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NakedFury |
yeah but checking them out can give nice ideas of how to do some of the animals or mobs |
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NakedFury |
or just to check how it would look |
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sapier |
of course ... but adding models for already existing mobs has priority |
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NakedFury |
ohh yes. sort of monster freeze. until the current ones are covered no new mobs |
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sapier |
exactly |
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BackupCoder |
uberi hi |
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Uberi |
o/ BackupCoder |
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LAD |
im so hipper |
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LAD |
hiper? |
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LAD |
idk |
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LAD |
im trying to say what hapends when you get realy fast after eating alot of of suger |
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marktraceur |
hyper. |
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LAD |
but i hav't had sugar im hiper because of my new map that i've worked realy hard on |
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LAD |
and thank you |
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Uberi |
LAD: nice, what kind of map? |
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marktraceur |
Gambit: Hi! |
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LAD |
Uberi one i'll direct you to post |
| 22:37 |
LAD |
ever herd of the minecraft map Cluster Chunk by three_two?? |
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LAD |
well i saw it on youtube and i thought hmm i wana redue that into a minetest version so i did |
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LAD |
not the best copy but pretty good i think |
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LAD |
well any ways here is the post |
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LAD |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4486 |
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LAD |
NOTE:the map is not done yet but it's very close |
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Uberi |
whoa sweet |
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LAD |
XD |
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LAD |
i gave up on it for some time now |
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LAD |
but i desided ima start working on it again |
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LAD |
i think (not to brag or anything) it's one of the coolest PvP maps out there |
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Uberi |
I like a bit of skyblock myself, personally |
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Uberi |
don't think it works for PvP, but it's really fun |
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LAD |
this is kinda of like skyblock i guess |
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Kacey |
hello |
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Kacey |
PING |
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marktraceur |
PONG |
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Kacey |
haha |
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* Kacey |
is figuring out mapgen |
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marktraceur |
Kacey: Any luck? |
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Kacey |
little bit |
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mauvebic |
ugh i hate recaptcha, i had to fill out the same form 12x |
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Kacey |
haha |
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marktraceur |
mauvebic: Don't blame reCaptcha for something a random web developer did wrong |
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Kacey |
chasing cars... fun ^_^ |
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marktraceur |
Good band. |
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mauvebic |
i just find them annoying lol like flash intros a few years bacl |
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mauvebic |
*back |
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Kacey |
flash! AHAH |
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Kacey |
lol |
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mauvebic |
this is brilliant web design: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3021792996 |
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Kacey |
brilliant |
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kizeren |
So finally got transport tubes setup |
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kizeren |
But when the item reaches the destination it "pops" out of the chest?? |
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Kacey |
technic? |
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kizeren |
The updated pipeworks. |
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Kacey |
ooh |
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Uberi |
hey LAD, you made command block textures? |
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LAD |
yup |
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LAD |
just made them now |
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Uberi |
LAD: I made the original ones, we can open a poll to see which one the users want |
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LAD |
did't like the old one |
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BackupCoder |
hi |
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LAD |
oh lolz |
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Uberi |
hey BackupCoder |
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LAD |
no efenc to you though |
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Uberi |
LAD: nah I understand :) |
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LAD |
XD |
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LAD |
i like black and sleeq stuff |
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Uberi |
LAD: anyways we'll see whether users like it, and if they do we'll replace them |
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LAD |
ok |
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LAD |
Uberi do you want me to make the poll?? |
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Methuselah |
sure, LAD |
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LAD |
ok |
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LAD |
sorry can't make the poll tonight i'll do it tommorrow |
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Kacey |
hi Menche |
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Menche |
hi |
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Kacey |
am i still moderator on your server |
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Menche |
yes |
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kaeza |
hey Menche |
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kaeza |
sup? |
