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00:01 sapier1 left #minetest
00:02 TheZenDaikon hmm either something has changed or the throwing mod doesn't shoot arrows
00:05 TheZenDaikon get a lot of "followed to wrong place"
00:05 TheZenDaikon but can't test throwing mod as it doesn't seem to work at throwing arrows. about time for work so likely won't get to test it right now
00:06 kaeza last time I tried the throwing mod arrows were killing myself
00:08 TheZenDaikon ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer uses throwing:bow_wood, pointing at [object 2]
00:08 TheZenDaikon but of course no arrows used
00:08 TheZenDaikon nothing happens as well
00:08 TheZenDaikon also seems hitting vombie with mese pick is same as punching
00:09 TheZenDaikon ACTION[ServerThread]: LuaEntitySAO at (54.8305,2.7,-33.0383) punched by player singleplayer, damage 0 hp, health now 6 hp
00:09 TheZenDaikon but I will say it does appear vombies are a little faster
00:10 TheZenDaikon fps remaining above 25.. without vombies averages 60
00:10 NekoGloop TheZenDaikon: punching == hitting with anything
00:10 TheZenDaikon well then mese pick does no damage to vombies
00:10 TheZenDaikon lol
00:10 TheZenDaikon I hit them over 20 times and it only reduced their hp from 6 to 3
00:11 TheZenDaikon when I get back from work ill have to see if I can find out why the bows aren't shooting arrows
00:11 kaeza yeah. entity damage calculation is pretty fucked  up
00:11 kaeza IDK if that has been fixed yet
00:11 TheZenDaikon and both the animals and throwing I just got from github
00:12 klunk TheZenDaikon: you should know vombies are not really damageable in the same way than humans, that's why we know they are zombies ...
00:12 TheZenDaikon how are you supposed to kill them if throwing doesn't work and all you have is default available items and tools?
00:12 TheZenDaikon lol
00:13 klunk TheZenDaikon: on some server, I usually kill them with "épée"
00:13 klunk swarm perhaps
00:13 TheZenDaikon epee?
00:13 TheZenDaikon lol
00:13 kaeza a kind of piercing sword
00:14 kaeza somewhat like a rapier IIRC
00:14 TheZenDaikon I will suggest that any mod that includes weapons should work with any mod that includes mobs to ensure they work together well
00:14 klunk sword, thanks kaeza !
00:14 TheZenDaikon ah
00:14 OpDredd The epee is the closest thing in modern fencing to a rapier
00:15 NekoGloop an epee is basically a rapier with more of a hand guard iirc
00:15 klunk rapier ? "rapière" = not so far
00:15 OpDredd But the late rapier is actually a type of bastard sword IIRC
00:15 OpDredd A hand and a half sword
00:16 TheZenDaikon well hate to run but work beckons. need to begin getting ready for it
00:16 * Kacey has to stop learning about the different domensions
00:16 TheZenDaikon short day so be back in about 4 hours or so
00:16 kaeza domensions?
00:16 kaeza lol
00:16 kaeza TheZenDaikon, have fun
00:16 TheZenDaikon kacey stop confusing poor kaeza
00:16 kaeza ttyl
00:16 TheZenDaikon lol
00:17 Kacey dimensions, even
00:17 TheZenDaikon english isn't his native from what I could gather
00:17 TheZenDaikon :P
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00:17 TheZenDaikon will say kaeza for a non native speaker you do better than most native speakers
00:17 * kaeza piensa que Kacey tiene que aprender a hablar ingles de forma correcta
00:18 Kacey i am a native english speaker
00:18 TheZenDaikon anyway ta ta for now
00:18 kaeza ttyl
00:18 Kacey it was dark
00:18 kaeza too late...
00:19 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on kaeza's head
00:19 kaeza *meow* :3
00:19 NekoGloop :3
00:20 * kaeza puts another kittne in NekoGloop's head
00:20 * OpDredd steals the spare one
00:20 NekoGloop mewo
00:20 * OpDredd purrs happily
00:20 * Kacey looks around
00:21 kaeza 3:
00:21 Kacey VanessaE is not here right?
00:21 Kacey ok good
00:21 * Kacey puls out a cookie and starts eating it
00:22 Kacey pulls, even
00:23 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Kacey's head and it eats the rest of the cookie
00:24 Traxie21 Steve
00:25 NekoGloop Bob
00:25 Traxie21 Steve! http://images.zap2it.com/images/movie-197825/cloudy-with-a-chance-of-meatballs-9.jpg
00:26 kaeza https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6947865600/hB105C85D/
00:26 kaeza LOL ^
00:26 klunk Steve, Bob and Roberta are not here
00:26 Kacey my cookie :(
00:27 Traxie21 Steve! http://s2.noelshack.com/uploads/images/6858262945116_cloudy_with_a_chance_of_meatballs_15.png
00:27 * Kacey begins throwing the kitten around
00:27 Kacey nobody eats my cookie
00:27 Oblivion1500 hello everyone, is there a world achor out there for minetest?
00:28 Oblivion1500 or like a small land anchor
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00:28 Oblivion1500 something like that i guess.. it keeps that spot active so like your tools will work wile your gone.
00:29 kaeza ?
00:29 kaeza explain
00:30 NekoGloop Chunk loader
00:30 Oblivion1500 a node your drop to keep that part of the world active like say 5 nodes around that node, and you can go anywhere in the world and that will still stay active
00:30 Traxie21 Steve! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZPXdhXzW6g
00:30 Oblivion1500 furnace will continue to work wile your gone
00:36 kaeza Oblivion1500, IIRC, they work if you start a server
00:36 kaeza but not in single player
00:37 Oblivion1500 ?
00:37 kaeza I mean, things keep updating out of sight in a server
00:38 NekoGloop He means if you go mining and you want your stuff at home to work when you're in your mines.
00:38 NekoGloop Or if you have a giant mesecons machine and need it to all work.
00:38 kaeza yes, I know what he means
00:38 NekoGloop kaeza: It would work fine in singleplayer
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00:39 NekoGloop Granted, when you close the game then it stops.
00:39 Oblivion1500 link?
00:39 NekoGloop Oblivion1500: There is no such device
00:40 Oblivion1500 oh, then what was he talking about when he said IIRC?
00:40 kaeza I mean, in SP, once you go far from, say, a furnace, it stops working until you come back
00:40 Kacey Menche long time no talk huh?
00:40 Menche hi
00:41 Menche thinking of bringing my server back
00:41 Kacey OOH YAY
00:41 Menche should I use the old map? i still have a somewhat damaged backup
00:41 Kacey naw new map
00:44 Menche saw landmine was on irc earlier?
00:44 NekoGloop kaeza: It stops working in multiplayer too, if there's nobody in a nearby mapblock
00:44 Kacey ya he is on alot
00:44 NekoGloop kaeza: Theoretically a dummy player object could provide the same effect as having the player in the area.
00:45 kaeza oh I thought it kept on in MP
00:45 kaeza that's a hackish way
00:45 Oblivion1500 how, things in real life work when im away from them
00:46 kaeza I hate being two days in my mine, and find out none of my lumps were cooked when I get back to my house
00:46 Oblivion1500 and thats what the anchor would be used for
00:46 kaeza that would require changes in the engine I guess
00:47 Oblivion1500 why?
00:47 kaeza either that or have two accounts on the server
00:47 kaeza and keep one idling in the spot
00:47 Oblivion1500 it would use your account
00:47 Oblivion1500 make it so it thinks your standing there
00:48 Oblivion1500 but,,, also in another place...
00:48 kaeza so how do you plan to do it?
00:48 Oblivion1500 i dont know.. lol
00:48 Oblivion1500 i think it should just work
00:48 kaeza that's what I'm trying to explain
00:48 kaeza you can't be in two places at the same time from the same account
00:49 NekoGloop kaeza: That was my idea, except this block would instead spawn a dummy player.
00:49 Oblivion1500 well how does the object know that your arround when you are arround?
00:49 NekoGloop Therefore no extra cpu load on the players.
00:50 NekoGloop Oblivion1500: The game literally forgets theres a (furnace/anything else) there when you walk away, to save processing power and memory.
00:50 kaeza how do you spawn this "dummy player"?
00:51 NekoGloop kaeza: Like any other entity, maybe.
00:51 kaeza I thought the engine treated players differently
00:51 kaeza (real players)
00:52 kaeza or it just keeps track of "player entities"?
00:52 NekoGloop kaeza: I am unsure, however if the latter is the case then that should be taken advantage of.
00:53 kaeza agreed
00:53 kaeza are you trying to code it?
00:54 kaeza do you have any implementation ready?
00:54 NekoGloop I dont have any kind of lua coder system on my ipad, sorry.
00:55 NekoGloop You can look at my hostname to know if i'm on my ipad; webchat doesnt let the cloak work so therefore my ipad will be the only time that i get the cloak properly.
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00:56 OpDredd Nice use of cloak fail :)
00:56 OpDredd I don't understand why cloaks don't work on the web client though
00:57 Exio an unaffiliated cloak in webchat is useless
00:57 NekoGloop Because webchat is stubborn and thinks that the hostname has to include the ip.
00:57 Exio you can see the ip with a whois or looking at the ident
00:58 OpDredd I meant "why" as in motivation"
00:58 OpDredd s/"//3
00:59 OpDredd Last time I used the web client logging in applied the cloak and then removed it
00:59 NekoGloop Indeed.
01:00 OpDredd It's a shame, especially as it's not a bad web client as these things go
01:00 OpDredd And of course because some people can't install software
01:01 NekoGloop And for others the software simply isnt *made*
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01:06 VanessaE hi all.
01:07 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on VanessaE's head
01:07 * Kacey hides his cookies
01:07 * VanessaE puts the kitten in OldCoder's pile.
01:08 OpDredd http://dailycuteblog.com/wp-content/uploads/deer-kitty-cute-pictures.jpg
01:09 OpDredd Just because this seems like a channel that might enjoy that
01:09 VanessaE awwww
01:09 OpDredd That must be a truly tiny deer
01:09 OpDredd But it's insanely cute :)
01:10 OpDredd That's my latest shot from the cute-war I'm currently embroiled in :)
01:13 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on OpDredd's head
01:13 OpDredd I'm a deer!
01:13 OpDredd hello kitten!
01:14 Kacey dinner
01:16 OldCoder VanessaE, there is no pile you are starting over
01:16 OldCoder IIRC they were transformed into Unknown Blocks or Kitten Kubes
01:17 * VanessaE configures NekoGloop's kitten generator...   [Runs:  1][kittens: 50][cuteness level: 35][variance: 25]
01:17 * VanessaE runs the generator and pours the output into OldCoder's new pile :)
01:18 NekoGloop error: "runs" variable not set or unable to be found.
01:18 VanessaE lol
01:19 * NekoGloop keeps the same variable name style through all variables
01:19 NekoGloop For example, i wouldnt have "Runs" when the rest are e.g. "kittens" and "variance"
01:19 NekoGloop I would have "runs" in that case.
01:20 NekoGloop And i would have "Runs" if they were "Kittens" and "Variance"
01:20 Menche was the forum just reset?
01:20 kaeza NekoGloop, well, it seems you error reporting mechanism uses string.lower()
01:21 NekoGloop kaeza: No, it wasnt able to find the variable "runs" because VanessaE set it as "Runs".
01:21 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/ is restored to 13th jan
01:21 kaeza oh lol
01:21 VanessaE NekoGloop: don't blame me if you label your buttons with strings that don't match the code ;)
01:21 * kaeza phailed
01:22 kaeza thexyz, great1
01:22 kaeza ! even
01:22 NekoGloop VanessaE: You set the variables manually; i cant help it.
01:22 marktraceur kaeza: "DEBUG: irc.connect failed"
01:22 kaeza marktraceur, ?
01:22 kaeza error?
01:23 marktraceur Was working before, then a network error happened, now that message shows on restart
01:24 kaeza marktraceur, try running /irc_reconnect
01:24 kaeza I will take a look at the code
01:25 kaeza any other context you can provide?
01:25 kaeza error
01:25 kaeza *
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01:26 kaeza thexyz, will the forum issues go away now?
01:26 NekoGloop Will thexyz be hosting the forums permanently?
01:26 marktraceur kaeza: I can't even connect to the server right now. Maybe there's some kind of network issue still, I'll wait a bit.
01:27 NekoGloop That way at least, the forums will have much better uptime.
01:27 kaeza marktraceur, ok, there seems to be nothing wrong in the code. please tell me if the error occurs after those problems go away
01:28 kaeza just to be sure
01:30 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on marktraceur's head
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01:32 Muadtralk tell me is there something that causes the forum crashes?
01:32 Muadtralk I must know
01:33 NekoGloop Muadtralk: Shitty ips.
01:33 Muadtralk ahhhhh
01:33 NekoGloop Or whatever the hell the acronym is
01:34 kaeza VPS?
01:34 Muadtralk quick offtopic question: Who was better in your opinion? Galileo or Sir Issac Newton?
01:34 Muadtralk details welcomed
01:34 NakedFury lincoln
01:34 Kacey norris
01:34 kaeza josé artigas
01:35 NekoGloop Muadtralk: Newton actually came up with correct facts, and galileo was incorrect, however provided the cause for finding the correct facts.
01:35 * Kacey is starting to ponder life...
01:36 kaeza yeah, but you forgot about the caveman that invented the original wheel :P
01:36 Kacey GOD
01:37 Muadtralk GOD didnt invent the wheel
01:37 NekoGloop kaeza: Sure he invented the wheel but someone else made use of it.
01:37 Muadtralk no he didn't invent it
01:37 Kacey god set off a firecracker that we call the big bang because he got bored
01:37 Kacey DINNER
01:37 NekoGloop Yes
01:38 NekoGloop DINNER invented everything
01:38 Muadtralk he kicked two people out of a garden for eating some fruit and left them only with a few pelts
01:38 Muadtralk thats hardly inventing the wheel
01:38 NakedFury he just wanted the apples for himself
01:38 * Muadtralk is using the version of adam and eve that came out of the top of his head
01:38 NekoGloop DINNER invented everything because at the end of the day, you're eventually someone else's dinner.
01:38 Muadtralk yes he did
01:39 Muadtralk then he got fat and sleepy and left us alone for awhile
01:39 NekoGloop Then 2012.
01:39 NekoGloop Then he reloaded from a backup.
01:41 kaeza Muadtralk, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb2ls9Hkin1r6wfuho1_500.gif
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01:43 NakedFury nice
01:45 Muadtralk nice
01:53 NakedFury forums are up and nobody is posting
01:53 jojoa1997 joined #minetest
01:53 NakedFury is that why you wanted them so much?
01:53 VanessaE you don't see the notice in bold red?
01:53 NakedFury no
01:53 NekoGloop VanessaE: That's gone
01:53 VanessaE oh, are we on real forums now?
01:54 Muadtralk no its just a hallcinagen i put in everyones drink
01:54 VanessaE heh
01:54 Menche they got reset a few minutes ago i think
01:54 NakedFury vanessae I thought of another zone, beach zones
01:55 NekoGloop VanessaE: As far as i know thexyz will be hosting them now.
01:55 VanessaE NekoGloop: right
01:55 Muadtralk I liked it better when it just gave a plain error message
01:55 Muadtralk that way I dont skip the text and forget its down
01:55 Menche any chance of the jungleanddungeons branch being added to master?
01:56 Muadtralk prolly not
01:56 Muadtralk with the new mapgen with tree's coming
01:56 Muadtralk and new biomes or at least so I have heard
01:56 NekoGloop A biome registry function iirc.
01:56 jojoa1997 the forum works now just thought i would drop by and tell yall
01:57 Menche is the work on the new mapgen available in anyone's repo?
01:57 VanessaE yay, forum thread mass-open :-)
01:57 NekoGloop Dont you just love it when someone leaves before you can say "fuck you, we knew that st00pid"
01:57 Menche ...and so a massive traffic spike crashes the forum
01:57 Muadtralk kowelkr
01:57 Muadtralk or somethng like that
01:58 VanessaE Menche:  https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commits/yay_new_branch
01:58 VanessaE unless he's already merged it to his master branch, in which case get the master branch instead :)
01:59 NekoGloop Lol "yay_new_branch"
01:59 VanessaE thexyz: looks like you lost the favicon in the transfer
02:00 NakedFury is that user hmmm here on irc?
02:00 Menche at first glance, it appears to be in his master
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02:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: yeah, we know :-)
02:02 jojoa1997 ok
02:03 jojoa1997 just happy that is all
02:03 Menche now I need to re-add all my posts that just got reverted
02:03 jojoa1997 have fun ;-)
02:05 jojoa1997 VanessaE: what are the types of trees you will add to your moretrees mod
02:05 Oblivion1500 hey does anyone know a bash command to start a script at a certan line?
02:06 kaeza Oblivion1500, ?
02:06 VanessaE jojoa1997: with any luck, all of the ones in the "New trees" thread, but I need help choosing biome settings for them.
02:06 kaeza WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT
02:06 Oblivion1500 i mean continue a script
02:06 Oblivion1500 like a go to line command
02:06 VanessaE Oblivion1500: such does not exist.
02:06 Oblivion1500 bologna
02:07 Menche clear the screen then echo a bunch of newlines?
02:07 jojoa1997 VanessaE: what about sequoias. RealBadAngel showed som pics earlier
02:07 kaeza Menche, he means something like a goto command
02:07 VanessaE jojoa1997: those, oo.
02:07 VanessaE those too.
02:08 Oblivion1500 no im writing a script and i need a if you type this it exits but if you type this it loops back and does what you asked again
02:08 kaeza VanessaE, and palms :)
02:08 kaeza while loop
02:08 kaeza Oblivion1500, ^
02:08 jojoa1997 you should make a list on the topic so others can discuss it in the forum
02:09 Menche a more complicated timber mod will be needed for the fancy new trees
02:09 Oblivion1500 kaeza you might have something there
02:09 kaeza Oblivion1500, take a look at the while, for, and case, commands
02:10 kaeza Oblivion1500, `select' may be helpful too
02:12 Oblivion1500 or i can just do wile [ $yesno == "y"]; then do some crap till $yesno == no or something else            else
02:12 Oblivion1500 ?
02:13 jojoa1997 VanessaE: i will be saying what types of trees should go where but it will be a broken up list
02:14 VanessaE jojoa1997: not here, not now.
02:14 VanessaE I'm not too clear-headed right now, I'll forget
02:14 VanessaE post on the moretrees thread
02:14 jojoa1997 on your forum topic?
02:14 VanessaE but first,
02:14 jojoa1997 ok
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02:14 VanessaE read the API for plants_lib (plantlife) so you can see what kind of controls are available.
02:14 VanessaE hey bas080.
02:15 jojoa1997 does plantlib have a github
02:15 VanessaE yes
02:15 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife
02:15 VanessaE API:  https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife/blob/master/API.txt
02:15 bas080 Thnx VanessaE
02:15 kaeza Oblivion1500, here's an example: http://pastebin.com/Ypgcb3D6
02:17 Oblivion1500 kaeza: thanks, now i know another method.. i might do that but i want to try something different.. just to learn
02:17 kaeza sure
02:17 kaeza just find what better suits your need
02:17 kaeza +s
02:18 NakedFury making a 1$ dollar formal suit just popped into my head. what a weird thought
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02:21 Muadtralk made out of 1 dollar bills? or made for 1$
02:21 AndroidFury made out of
02:21 Muadtralk cool
02:22 NakedFury once I have enough to waste on it
02:22 Menche not random at all
02:22 NakedFury well I was eating bbq pringles and watching the golden globes stuff
02:23 Kacey back
02:23 Muadtralk see its related to money which buys things, minecraft is a thing that takes money! minecraft looks kinda like minetest
02:23 Muadtralk ergo your thought
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02:23 kaeza NakedFury, it seems that you, *puts on glasses*, will be laundering money
02:24 AndroidFury ill be wearing money, washing it, smelling it
02:24 Muadtralk get covered in mud and you will be filthy rich
02:24 AndroidFury literally
02:25 AndroidFury i wonder if any millionaire has done this before
02:25 kaeza to Google!
02:26 Kacey bill gates has mud-phobia
02:26 NekoGloop There's people who win lotteries too
02:26 NekoGloop Lots of them round here
02:27 Menche or you could do money laundering to make a suit to do money laundering
02:28 kaeza bill gates has linuxphobia
02:29 kaeza :trollface:
02:29 Kacey Menche: have you decided if you will restart your server
02:29 Kacey my "Y" key is strange
02:29 jojoa1997 VanessaE: done :-) http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63499#p63499
02:30 jojoa1997_tablet Kacey: have you made the black whole nodes
02:30 kaeza jojoa1997_tablet, underground trees-trees that spawn in caves(really really rare) <== +1
02:30 jojoa1997_tablet kaeza
02:31 jojoa1997_tablet kaeza: i was also thinking underwater trees but then i didnt add them to the list
02:31 Kacey jojoa1997_tablet: a little busy yet
02:31 Menche Kacey: yes, still haven't decided if it'll be survival/creative, whitelist/public, old map/new map
02:32 kaeza jojoa1997_tablet, it seems the engine does not spawn trees underwater ATM
02:32 * kaeza test using RBA's tree spawner inside a cave
02:32 Menche trying to write another protection mod, I'm not really satisfied with any existing ones
02:33 Muadtralk not even node ownership?
02:33 Kacey a new map-survival-public and another old map-creative-whitelist
02:33 Muadtralk or interact plus?
02:33 jojoa1997_tablet kaeza they show spawn in complete darkness if you make them spawn with 0 light
02:33 Menche node ownership is flexible but requires moderator intervention
02:34 Menche protector can be used by players but isn't as flexible
02:34 Muadtralk borderstones!
02:34 Muadtralk is jacoo around?
02:34 Menche i liked jachoo's protection
02:34 Menche he seems to have vanished though
02:35 jojoa1997_tablet Does anyone know when mapgenV7 or minetest 0.4.5 will be out?
02:35 Muadtralk when hmmmm decides so
02:35 Muadtralk and when c55 decides so
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02:36 jojoa1997_tablet who is hmmmm
02:36 Muadtralk hmmmm is hmmmm
02:36 Kacey hmmmm is hmmmm
02:36 kaeza hmmmm is hmmmm
02:36 Kacey damn Maudtralk steal my idea
02:36 jojoa1997_tablet as in ummm
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02:36 kaeza and Kacey CCCCCOMBO BROKEN it
02:36 AndroidFury menche try to recreate a MC protection mod
02:36 Muadtralk he is making mapgenv7
02:37 noodric http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/988773-11-minechem-v15/
02:37 noodric what of this
02:37 kaeza noodric, +1
02:37 Menche my protection mod idea: protection blocks with a formspec to specify name, co-owners, coords, etc
02:37 mauvebic chem!
02:38 jojoa1997_tablet i like it
02:38 mauvebic TM) (too much overhead)
02:38 mauvebic *TMO
02:38 kaeza noodric, I don't know who you are, but I will find you, and I will kiss you
02:38 jojoa1997_tablet Menche but that give players too much freedom and the ability to overlap cords
02:38 mauvebic with the number of zones on public servers need protection needs to get simpler
02:39 mauvebic *nbode
02:39 mauvebic *node
02:39 Muadtralk noodric your not in a minecraft irc channel
02:39 Menche it would check for overlap and max nodes
02:39 jojoa1997_tablet #minecraft
02:39 mauvebic a nations mod where you can assign entire chunks to groups of players would simplify things enormously
02:39 Menche and use entity markers to mark out the edges of areas for a number of seconds after editing
02:40 NakedFury Towny or a nations mod would be loved here
02:40 NakedFury towny + money mod + lots of players = good times
02:40 kaeza let's make chem for MT!
02:40 mauvebic with nations and chunks assigned you only need to check 2 things: which nation the chunk belongs to, and weather or not the digger/placer is a member of that nation
02:41 jojoa1997_tablet You could use faction mod also
02:41 mauvebic as opposed to checking every protection zone, who it belongs to, and weather the user is on the list of coownes
02:41 mauvebic *co-owners
02:41 kaeza mauvebic, still the same overhead as using coord based protection
02:41 jojoa1997_tablet afk
02:42 mauvebic less
02:42 kaeza nope
02:42 Kacey Menche had an epic server before MAx (segfault22) went mad and LM showed up
02:42 kaeza cause you must check the coords of the chunk's bounds
02:42 mauvebic with a coordinate based system you have to check the pos against all the sets of coordinates
02:42 Menche my server's old map is 300M
02:43 Kacey wow
02:43 mauvebic because the zones are not uniformely shaped or distributed, you have to check all the zones
02:43 Kacey figures though
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02:43 kaeza I see your point now
02:44 Menche landmine liked watching people lose their temper, max lost his temper easily
02:44 kaeza a simple divide and modulo is enough to check ownership
02:44 mauvebic though its relatively easy to determine what chunk your in without doing all those checks
02:44 Menche landmine and max were like gasoline and oxygen
02:44 jojoa1997_tablet back
02:44 mauvebic the more protection zones you add, the laggier it gets
02:44 Muadtralk no matches menche?
02:44 Menche ?
02:44 Menche what about using metadata for protection
02:45 Kacey Keegan was a little power crazy
02:45 mauvebic wont work
02:45 Muadtralk (09:44:15 PM) Menche: landmine and max were like gasoline and oxygen
02:45 kaeza Menche, that's done by node_ownership IIRC
02:45 Muadtralk no match to light the gasoline?
02:45 Menche sorry, bad analogy
02:45 Kacey me ^_^
02:45 mauvebic i only have 12 mods and more than enough nodes get changed on a regular basis by abm's, those metas aren't automatically rewritten
02:45 Muadtralk and max was cool before he well..... lost it
02:46 jojoa1997_tablet Who was max
02:46 Oblivion1500 kaeza: http://pastebin.com/Y2Y3LFBr
02:46 Menche segfault22 on the forums
02:46 Kacey katiekitten (was that her name?) pushed max over the edge
02:46 mauvebic i mean metas are good if you want to set an owner to be used in conjunction with can_dig
02:47 Muadtralk thats about when I left the server
02:47 Muadtralk :P
02:47 Menche i think i pushed max over the edge when i kicked him
02:47 kaeza Oblivion1500, that duplicates the "read" part, but works anyway
02:47 Menche i just got fed up, then he exploded
02:47 Muadtralk what was he doing anyway?
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02:47 Muadtralk I cant remember
02:47 jojoa1997_tablet boom..................        O.o
02:47 Menche well hello
02:47 kaeza Oblivion1500, also, get used to indent blocks of code
02:47 jojoa1997_tablet hola
02:48 LandMine Hola
02:48 kaeza hola
02:48 leo_rockway hola
02:48 Oblivion1500 yea i was and i made a mistake and i thought it was the indent,,, it wasent lol
02:48 Muadtralk yo landmine
02:48 kaeza another C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
02:48 Muadtralk you remember max?
02:48 LandMine Yeah...what about him
02:48 Kacey crap we should no longer say LandMine's name but LM maybe he wouldnt show up
02:49 NakedFury http://xshade.ca/projects/towny/ for  MT
02:49 Muadtralk what drove him over the edge?
02:49 NakedFury we need that
02:49 Menche and you say that now that he's here
02:49 Muadtralk I cant remember
02:49 mauvebic if he shows up because you spoke his name he was probably already here under another lol
02:49 kaeza Oblivion1500, it makes it easier to read both for you and others ^_^
02:49 LandMine I called him poor that pissed him off I guess
02:49 Menche he had a really, really short fuse
02:50 Muadtralk didnt he ban me for doing something stupid?
02:50 jojoa1997_tablet was he a good modder
02:50 Muadtralk I forget.....
02:50 LandMine I wasn't actually mauvebic I went to eat and got on my phone
02:51 mauvebic with so many fakes on this channel its hard to tell lol
02:51 Menche i demoted max on my server after he banned several players
02:51 LandMine And I don't know sdzen I can't recall
02:51 mauvebic max ah yes now i remember him lol
02:51 mauvebic telling everyone what to do as if he was in charge
02:51 Menche then i temp banned him for starting a flame war
02:51 sdzen yep!
02:51 Menche and he exploded and declared a griefer war on me
02:51 mauvebic (i barely listen when the people really are in charge lol)
02:52 Kacey max banned me for taking his shout away
02:52 LandMine He said he was gonna suicide because of me....that was funny
02:52 sdzen I forget who was it I was in a flamewar with around that time?
02:52 sdzen I think it was deathdealer
02:52 mauvebic he probably cut for bieber lol
02:52 Kacey flamewar?
02:52 mauvebic i wouldn't be surprised
02:52 mauvebic he had the same attitude as deathdealer
02:52 mauvebic both gave me the same kind of shit
02:52 sdzen deathdealer was nicer about things though
02:53 mauvebic where do these fucking losers get off telling productive people what to do? lol
02:53 sdzen but i just had to question his rap
02:53 VanessaE ah there he is.
02:53 jojoa1997_tablet there who is
02:54 VanessaE mauvebic.
02:54 mauvebic deathdealer wasn't nice so much as annoying
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02:54 sdzen donny osmond?
02:54 sdzen oh muavebic
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02:54 jojoa1997_tablet mauvbic make code easier for vanessae to add to pipeworks
02:54 LandMine Mauvebic I sense negativity....take a sec and breathe
02:54 jojoa1997_tablet the code for the pipeworks mod
02:55 mauvebic its not negativity its pragmastism - a lifetime of dealing with idiots lol
02:55 Kacey night all
02:55 VanessaE mauvebic: please pull pipeworks and add your all-the-other-liquids changes - without rewriting any of my code....and make a pull request please :-)
02:55 kaeza night
02:55 jojoa1997_tablet depends on how long your lifetime is
02:55 LandMine Later kacey
02:55 VanessaE I just added Nore's item transport code to pipeworks - pneumatic tubes can now move items!
02:55 jojoa1997_tablet but how do we get items in it
02:56 VanessaE read the first post, I just updated it.
02:56 * kaeza puts another kittne in NekoGloop's head
02:56 NekoGloop VanessaE: Is there an extractor?
02:56 VanessaE NekoGloop: yes, the "filter" object
02:57 NekoGloop Can we color tubes and set a color to send a particular item to?
02:57 jojoa1997_tablet VanessaE: near my village on your server is pipeworks at use take a look
02:57 VanessaE NekoGloop: not yet.
02:58 VanessaE there, the server's been updated and restarted with the latest changes to pipeworks.
02:58 jojoa1997_tablet VanessaE: what did you change to the chests
02:58 LandMine Nekogloop that is a great idea...why not code it urself ;-)
02:58 NekoGloop VanessaE: Well i'm gonna try to make a item transport system of some kind. Seeing as i always have such great ideas it may be literally throwing items across the room ;)
02:58 VanessaE jojoa1997_tablet: Nore redefined them so that they have the appropriate tubes group settings.
02:59 jojoa1997_tablet so nothing physical is changed then
02:59 NakedFury different colored tubes that connect to their color only, right click tubes to bring up a window then place the block you want and only blocks of that type can pass
02:59 VanessaE jojoa1997_tablet:  I'm not sure, I haven't read through the entirety of the code yet.
02:59 VanessaE pull pipeworks, look at compat.lua
02:59 kaeza cool! I didn't nootice that the screen does not tint red anymore when damage disabled
02:59 jojoa1997_tablet with that i can now mine and have a transport system
03:01 NakedFury vanessa is that the future of the pipemod? what I typed up
03:01 jojoa1997_tablet if i have all the items go to one chest wont they come back to the other chest
03:02 * jojoa1997_tablet sleep with kitten generator
03:03 VanessaE NakedFury: I don't know really.  I'll just have to see what others come up with - a lot of pipeworks depends on other peoples' code.
03:03 jojoa1997_tablet gtg night
03:03 * VanessaE pokes mauvebic  :-)
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03:05 * kaeza randomly pokes marktraceur
03:05 mauvebic could nore do it?
03:05 kaeza any news on the network problem?
03:06 mauvebic ive already made more changes to my local version thats further out of sync
03:06 mauvebic without counting im redoing all my plantlib textures and have to write a new node protect for my space server which im trying to put up in a week lol
03:07 NakedFury make towny for MT
03:07 mauvebic im thinking of going either with the nations/chunk idea
03:07 mauvebic or the nodex/buying property idea
03:08 NakedFury go with a protection that sets the MT equivalent of MC chunks.
03:08 NakedFury so you start your settlement with 1 of those
03:08 mauvebic what does that mean?
03:08 NakedFury well MC chunks are 16x16xheight of the game
03:08 mauvebic and MT are 10x10x10 i think?
03:08 VanessaE mauvebic: well, do you think you could at least distill it down to a file or two I can add to the mod that can be dofile'd?
03:08 VanessaE 16^3.
03:08 kaeza mauvebic, make the "grid" configurable
03:09 kaeza so you are not limited to 16x16 blocks
03:09 NakedFury what are mnetest chunks?
03:09 VanessaE mapblocks are 16^3 nodes and are loaded in 5-mapblock sets
03:09 NakedFury I really like chunk more than I dig mapblocks
03:10 NakedFury but anyway its 16x16x16?
03:10 mauvebic well the nations idea would be simple: you plant your nations' flag on an unclaimed chunk
03:11 mauvebic if warefare is enabled then claimed chunks can change hands according to whatever settings
03:11 kaeza NakedFury, I think the 16 x Inf x 16 is a bad idea
03:11 mauvebic ideally i want node protection without the insane overhead: that means protecting entire asteroids for groups of people, rather than segments of asteroids for individuals
03:12 NakedFury http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/towny-advanced/
03:12 mauvebic then you could vote people in/out
03:13 * VanessaE pokes mauvebic -- answer me dammit :)
03:13 mauvebic not working on pipeworks right now
03:13 VanessaE eh, ok
03:13 mauvebic towny seems like a mix of the market/nation ideas
03:13 mauvebic you join the nation but you have to buy the land anyways
03:14 mauvebic though that brings us back to protecting tons of small zones for indiv. players
03:14 kaeza mauvebic, not really
03:15 kaeza well, it would be faster that irregular zones as you said
03:15 mauvebic well a standard grid is already better yeah
03:16 NakedFury well start on that and then as you find faults in it improve
03:16 mauvebic another method
03:16 kaeza but how do you prevent the players from spamming flags everywhere just because
03:16 kaeza ?
03:16 mauvebic would be for the admin to designate lots for sale
03:16 NakedFury the plots are for generating tax
03:17 NakedFury flags are for sale and you need say atleast 5 people for one
03:17 mauvebic dont need tax nodex turns a 20% profit that should technically go the admin
03:17 NakedFury the tax was for nation income to pay their monthly payments to server
03:18 NakedFury dont pay start losing land
03:18 mauvebic lets not go overboard lol
03:18 mauvebic i still havent figured if i want it to be autogridded, grid-by-admin, purchase or national land lol
03:19 kaeza mauvebic, I'd go with configurable grid
03:19 NakedFury work through each one
03:19 mauvebic i can start with nodex
03:19 mauvebic if i want to expand to nations, than it means giving each nation their own nodex
03:20 mauvebic with their own prices and rates
03:20 kaeza forget about the market for now
03:20 mauvebic the admin could designate lots that go up for sale, that way the admin can control sprawl and development
03:20 kaeza start with the protection scheme
03:20 mauvebic they go hand in hand
03:20 mauvebic to protect an area you must know who bought it
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03:21 mauvebic if you want players to pay for territory rather than just say "puuuleaze" then i need the market component working lol
03:22 NakedFury nation leaders control plot placement right?
03:22 mauvebic i think ill add a "planner" priv for designating lots
03:22 mauvebic when i expand nodex to support nations ill go to the national leaders
03:23 NekoGloop Meow
03:23 kaeza woof
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03:27 NakedFury ohh mauvebic you could also do residential plots and shop plots. so when you do towns or cities you dont end up with shop houses or a weirdly made town with shops in the middle of recidences
03:28 mauvebic you can zone for different types of building but theres no way for a mod to actually guess what the user has built :S
03:28 mauvebic unless i can find a meta with the word 'shop' in it
03:29 NakedFury shop plots: allow placing shop signs and trading stuff. non shop plots dont allow it
03:29 mauvebic and even then its up to the admin to remove the offending work since a mod would probably lop off the entire block lol
03:29 NakedFury for example: your trading mod stuff would not work on non shop plots
03:30 * NekoGloop puts kittens on all the heads
03:31 mauvebic i dunno, i dont want my mods to be too draconian
03:31 mauvebic if youre inviting people to join your faction then you must trust them enough to do the right thing?
03:31 sdzen licencing....
03:31 mauvebic i dont like wasting cycles imposing extra rules
03:31 mauvebic i dont see what that has to do with anything sdzen
03:32 sdzen the trading stuff
03:32 mauvebic more confused lol
03:32 sdzen you could have people pay to have a licence outside of the non shop plots
03:33 NakedFury so you buy a license to include trading things in your plot?
03:33 mauvebic hmm
03:33 mauvebic well you can already buy anything off the market, and if you remove the craft for a certain node then you can only get it off the market
03:34 mauvebic basically it would the admin or trusted moderator, selling shop nodes to players?
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03:34 sdzen yes I would think so.....
03:35 NakedFury yes
03:35 mauvebic im already looking for ways to incorporate salaries, bounties and transfers into nodex
03:35 mauvebic as well as p2p node transfers
03:36 mauvebic i figure with salaries players who waste their time settling fights and such could at least be compensated to buy the nodes they didn't have time to mine for lol
03:36 mauvebic players who build road/sidewalk grids too, could be paid to do so
03:36 NakedFury that would be nice
03:37 mauvebic well people aren't gonna focus on the little details until you give'em incentive to
03:37 mauvebic in my case im obsessive compulsive and it shows in my maps lol
03:38 NakedFury a job board: admins or other players post jobs in the board[with signs], to make sure they are paid you have to pay to include the money amount in the sign. when you finish job admin or poster checks then "signs" as job done
03:38 jojoa1997 i like that
03:39 mauvebic the bounty system yeah: basically the player has to put the money down first, and when a 3rd party verifies the job was done properly, the money is paid out
03:39 NakedFury yes
03:39 mauvebic the job spec can't be changed once work commences
03:39 mauvebic unlike real life lol
03:39 NakedFury yep
03:39 NakedFury but they can remove job before people take them
03:39 NakedFury in case they made a mistake
03:40 mauvebic though i wont be incorporating chargeback, someone else will have to come up with a courts mod lol
03:40 mauvebic in most economics you always run the risk of getting screwed anyhow so i dont see why MT should be special in that regard
03:43 mauvebic AS5: a torus superstructure anchored by an asteroid: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3211841185
03:43 mauvebic that thin slice is the aeroponics bay lol
03:46 NakedFury looks good
03:47 NakedFury instead of carts what you need is a monorail or something futuristic
03:47 mauvebic yeah i want one of those tube-like trains of the future lol
03:48 mauvebic or one of those airport flat escalator things
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03:50 mauvebic basically an invisible boat following a track
03:51 NakedFury I want to do an elevator with pistons but cant
03:52 thexyz VanessaE: there wasn't any forum favicon, will probably add one
03:53 VanessaE thexyz: there used to be - it was just the usual minetest logo
03:53 NakedFury 10 nodes people end up asking for a MESE block
03:53 thexyz that one was minetest.net favicon
03:53 VanessaE yup
03:53 VanessaE I guess it got inherited into the rest of the forums pages then
03:54 thexyz which was displaying on both minetest.net and minetest.net/forum
03:54 VanessaE I wonder what would be best for the forums..
03:54 VanessaE maybe one of the game's default blocks or something
03:54 VanessaE a bookshelf!
03:54 thexyz i think the mt.net one is fine
03:55 VanessaE *shrug* ok
03:55 VanessaE but if you were to change it, use a bookshelf cube :-)
03:55 NakedFury use a GM
03:56 VanessaE a GM?
03:56 NekoGloop Gloop Master
03:56 NekoGloop ;-)
03:56 VanessaE oh.
03:57 NekoGloop xD
03:57 VanessaE I ..don't think that'll work :)
03:57 NekoGloop I dont even know what you are all talking about xD
04:01 NekoGloop Would anyone care to enlighten me?
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04:01 VanessaE NekoGloop: the little icon that displays next to the page address in your browser (and in the tab thereof)
04:02 VanessaE it got lost in the transfer from c55's previous host to thexyz's
04:02 NekoGloop VanessaE: Use the mese block!
04:03 NekoGloop Considering it doesnt look like ass now.
04:04 VanessaE thexyz: ^^^^^^^^^
04:04 VanessaE +100
04:05 VanessaE if there's anything unique to MT it's Mese. :-)
04:10 sdzen whats wrong with minetest logo?
04:10 VanessaE nothing at all.
04:10 sdzen then use it!
04:10 sdzen :)
04:11 VanessaE I guess it wasn't supposed to be used on the forums to begin with :-)
04:12 sdzen hmmmmmm
04:12 sdzen then put the greenman 2.0 on it
04:12 sdzen just the head
04:12 sdzen maybe with shoulders and a neck
04:13 * kaeza suggests just the bookcase texture :)
04:13 sdzen dirt
04:13 sdzen cause thats all we are
04:14 kaeza if we are dirt, then why aren't we all useless blocks? :P
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04:15 kaeza </badjoke>
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04:18 VanessaE Does anyone have links to a decent screen font to use for MT btw?
04:19 kaeza Why not use some as DejaVu Sans?
04:19 VanessaE I don't know how fonts actually work in MT..
04:20 kaeza hmm
04:21 kaeza are the widths of the chars hardcoded in the engine?
04:21 VanessaE not sure at all
04:21 VanessaE I don't think so
04:25 NekoGloop Why not look at how the fonts are formatted currently?
04:25 kaeza it seems they are in a rectangular grid
04:26 VanessaE because I'm too lazy? :-)
04:26 kaeza I'm looking where the widths /height of font is defined
04:26 Menche they're in fontlucida.png i think
04:26 VanessaE kaeza: orange and yellow dots in the image I think
04:26 kaeza yeah
04:26 VanessaE which is why I haven't simply made my own
04:26 Menche there was a fork with ttf support i think
04:26 kaeza but 'i' is not the same width as 'A'
04:26 VanessaE sorry, c55, that was a stupid idea.
04:27 VanessaE :)
04:27 Menche there's some program called irrfontmaker or something like that
04:27 Menche that makes those images
04:29 jojoa1997 is there such thing as minetest.env:remove_entity
04:29 kaeza jojoa1997, entity:remove()
04:29 jojoa1997 thanks
04:30 kaeza (but you must find the entity somehow first)
04:30 jojoa1997 is this right minetest.env:add_entity
04:30 kaeza I think
04:30 kaeza check the API docs :)
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04:31 jojoa1997 lol i forgot that the entity dies after 1 second anyways XD
04:31 kaeza wb TheZenKitteh
04:32 TheZenKitteh ty kaeza
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04:32 Infinity_69 hi
04:32 TheZenKitteh is forum officially restored or still not a good idea to post to it?
04:32 kaeza hi Inf
04:33 TheZenKitteh hey infinity_69
04:33 kaeza seems like it
04:33 Infinity_69 oh kaeza, what are you doing up so early?
04:33 Infinity_69 school much>
04:33 Infinity_69 ?
04:33 kaeza Infinity_69, it's 2:30 here
04:33 TheZenKitteh is celeron55 around to confirm or deny if forum is "good to go"?
04:33 jojoa1997 it is up and running
04:34 TheZenKitteh yea bit site still down with message. was curious the news concerning it
04:34 TheZenKitteh it was saying data may get overwrote
04:34 VanessaE TheZenKitteh: the forums are up now
04:35 VanessaE reload the page
04:35 Infinity_69 kaeza, this is the code i have so far, will it work?
04:35 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/vg5xnfYf
04:35 Infinity_69 hi VanessaE
04:35 NekoGloop VanessaE: I think it searches for the rightmost pixel in each letter, then subtracts the X of the leftmost from the X of the rightpost.
04:35 NekoGloop rightmost even
04:36 Infinity_69 oh...its 6:33 am here :D
04:36 Infinity_69 I've got chicken on the side, money on my mind.
04:36 Infinity_69 kaeza
04:36 Infinity_69 will this code work?
04:36 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/vg5xnfYf
04:36 VanessaE kaeza: the only font maker I can seem to find requires windows. bleah.
04:37 Infinity_69 hey VanessaE
04:37 VanessaE hi.
04:37 Infinity_69 can you look at my code?
04:37 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/vg5xnfYf
04:37 VanessaE no
04:37 Infinity_69 why
04:37 VanessaE because I'm about to go to bed
04:37 Infinity_69 im making a simple whitelisting mod :/
04:37 Infinity_69 oh...
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04:37 Infinity_69 kaeza :D
04:37 Infinity_69 you crashed?
04:37 NekoGloop Irc seems to draining my ipad's battery like hell so gonna go. K thx bai
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04:38 TheZenKitteh lol nekogloop needs to use a real computer.. or at least a wall adapter
04:38 Infinity_69 Is this mic on, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, on!
04:39 Infinity_69 TheZenKitteh
04:39 Infinity_69 do you know the API & LUA?
04:39 TheZenKitteh im still fairly noobish with lua
04:39 Infinity_69 kaeza
04:39 Infinity_69 oh ok
04:39 kaeza ?
04:39 Infinity_69 uh, uh,
04:39 Infinity_69 woops
04:39 TheZenKitteh I've been pushing my comfort level to learn
04:39 TheZenKitteh then jail mod came
04:39 Infinity_69 will this code work?
04:39 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/vg5xnfYf
04:39 TheZenKitteh lol
04:40 kaeza ...
04:40 kaeza I don't even know where to start
04:40 Infinity_69 I'm so cold, yet im still hot.
04:40 Infinity_69 ?
04:40 Infinity_69 VanessaE, you there?
04:41 VanessaE yes but not for long
04:41 Infinity_69 http://pastebin.com/vg5xnfYf
04:41 Infinity_69 whoops
04:41 Infinity_69 minetest.register_on_joinplayer(io.open('whitelist.txt'))
04:41 Infinity_69 will it get the info inside the whitelist.txt when a player joins?
04:41 kaeza http://lua.org/pil
04:42 Oblivion1500 ^that
04:42 Infinity_69 not it?
04:42 TheZenKitteh ooooo im reminded of a mod idea I wanted to see if anyone knew how possible it was
04:42 kaeza TheZenKitteh, spit it out
04:42 TheZenKitteh live streaming music from a shoutcast or oddcast server in game?
04:42 kaeza possible
04:43 Oblivion1500 that would be awesome!
04:43 TheZenKitteh could be interesting to have like a "radio block"
04:43 Menche sound files aren't all loaded on startup?
04:43 kaeza Menche, yes
04:43 * Infinity_69 is not continuing the Simple Whitelisting mod anymore.
04:45 kaeza TheZenKitteh, if you get luasocket, a wrapper for the shoutcast protocol, and a portable library to access sound hardware...
04:45 TheZenKitteh of course its sound distance needs to be limited so it won't get annoying
04:45 TheZenKitteh I wouldn't even know where to start on that kaeza
04:46 kaeza I just said it was possible, I didn't say it would be easy :P
04:46 TheZenKitteh your irc mod makes me want to yao ming.. it works but I have little idea how
04:46 Oblivion1500 im going to put radio boxes everwhere!!!
04:46 Infinity_69 kaeza
04:46 kaeza ?
04:47 Infinity_69 Zeg9 said, that its possible to play a sound when a player eats an item...
04:47 Infinity_69 how?
04:47 Infinity_69 on_use = raxfood.tosast()
04:47 Infinity_69 ?
04:47 Infinity_69 on_use = raxfood.toast()
04:47 Infinity_69 *
04:48 VanessaE ok, time for bed.  Night all.
04:48 kaeza night V
04:48 TheZenKitteh night vanessae
04:48 kaeza Infinity_69, I have no idea what you are talking about
04:48 Oblivion1500 goof night!
04:48 Infinity_69 really?
04:48 Oblivion1500 good..
04:48 Infinity_69 ok, let me simplify
04:48 Infinity_69 g'night VanessaE
04:48 Oblivion1500 http://lua.org/pil  ?
04:49 Infinity_69 no!
04:49 Infinity_69 simple = "Im a player and i eat a loaf of toast, and want to hear a sound when i do."
04:49 Infinity_69 get it yet?
04:49 mauvebic add a sound on_use
04:50 Oblivion1500 http://lua-users.org/wiki/LearningLua  ?
04:51 Infinity_69 oh, thanks mauvebic :)
04:51 Oblivion1500 you should just wait till the minetest site is back up so you can do your dev research
04:51 Infinity_69 so mauv...
04:51 Infinity_69 sound_on_use = raxfood.toast()
04:51 Infinity_69 ?
04:53 mauvebic i think your missing item_eat or something like that
04:53 Infinity_69 nope
04:53 Infinity_69 i did that
04:53 mauvebic theres no sound_on_use
04:53 Infinity_69 ???
04:53 Infinity_69 you just said!
04:54 mauvebic i said on_use
04:54 Infinity_69 oh :D
04:54 Infinity_69 how?
04:54 Infinity_69 on_use = raxfood.toast()
04:54 Infinity_69 ?
04:54 mauvebic wheres its the same place your supposed to have put item_eat
04:54 Infinity_69 oh :D
04:54 mauvebic under item_eat you add a call to a sound
04:54 Infinity_69 ?
04:54 mauvebic which i dont know off the top of my head
04:55 mauvebic google minetest doc lua api
04:56 mauvebic or find a mod that makes noise when a tool is used, the code should be the same
04:57 Infinity_69 the second is better...
04:57 Infinity_69 any suggestions?
04:59 mauvebic :/ not off the top of my head lol
04:59 Infinity_69 ok :/
04:59 mauvebic i woke up at 4pm and its 5c outside lol confusing day
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05:00 jojoa1997 vanessae you there
05:00 Infinity_69 She got a feaver, yeah she got a feaver, yeah she got a feaver, oh she's thirsty...
05:00 Infinity_69 hi
05:00 Infinity_69 Lord, help us!
05:00 Infinity_69 :D
05:00 Infinity_69 Stophouse - Marilyn
05:01 Infinity_69 jojoa1997 my mod will soon have 0.1.0
05:01 Infinity_69 :D
05:01 Infinity_69 right now its 0.0.5
05:01 Infinity_69 havent tested it much :/
05:01 Infinity_69 jojoa1997, Vanessae went to bed :/
05:01 jojoa1997 what does it do
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05:01 Infinity_69 adds food
05:01 Infinity_69 toast, half eaten toast etc...
05:01 Infinity_69 :D
05:01 Infinity_69 in 0.7.5 there will be PB&J
05:01 Infinity_69 :D
05:02 Infinity_69 mauvebic
05:02 Infinity_69 is there such a recipe yet?
05:03 mauvebic recipe for what?
05:03 Infinity_69 umm...
05:03 Infinity_69 wait
05:03 Infinity_69 gxg
05:03 Infinity_69 gxg
05:03 Infinity_69 ggg
05:03 Infinity_69 g= glass, x = nothing
05:03 Infinity_69 is there?
05:03 mauvebic no clue i quit on recipes long ago lol
05:04 Infinity_69 oh ok :/
05:04 mauvebic crafting works for medieval stuff, the more complex the nodes get the less crafts make any sense lol
05:04 Infinity_69 brb...
05:06 jojoa1997 'good night
05:07 * jojoa1997 types good nigh "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............................................
05:23 mauvebic finished! http://www.zimg.eu/i/2632589185
05:25 NakedFury do you have tilled dirt?
05:28 mauvebic aeroponics is by definition cultivation without dirt
05:28 mauvebic hence their practical use in space
05:28 mauvebic i got the idea from star trek lol
05:29 NakedFury voyager?
05:29 mauvebic i think they all had one?
05:29 mauvebic or an arboretum at least
05:29 NakedFury only saw voyager complete
05:32 mauvebic anyways im done working on the aero pack for this week, need to get back to the other modpack now lol
05:33 mauvebic im probly gonna split the destructive guns off from the terrain guns while im at it lol
05:34 NakedFury yes please, very dangerous
05:35 mauvebic even the terrain guns ive accidentally shot a few times lol might put some sort of safety on it
05:35 NakedFury a delay
05:36 NakedFury so you cant go crazy shooting like in an FPS game
05:36 mauvebic well no sometimes with the terrain gun on wield i mean to dig a node and bam, just destroyed half a building lol
05:36 mauvebic so i thought maybe double-click shooting
05:36 TheZenKitteh well im out for now
05:36 TheZenKitteh ta ta
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05:55 kaeza what package do I need to use curl support on Ubuntu?
05:56 kaeza s/use/have/
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05:58 sema4 good evening/morning
06:00 kaeza mornings
06:01 sema4 hiya kaeza
06:01 kaeza sup?
06:01 sema4 wondering if it is possible to specify light direction on a light in minetest
06:01 sema4 rather than it lighting in all directions
06:02 kaeza I don't think so
06:02 sema4 boo
06:02 kaeza spotlights? :)
06:02 sema4 hmm
06:02 sema4 wait, it's there a spotlight mod
06:02 sema4 it's -> isn't
06:02 kaeza nope
06:02 kaeza no support from the engine
06:02 sema4 hah, ok
06:02 sema4 darn
06:02 mauvebic nbu has directional lighting
06:02 mauvebic lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=xVrJ8DxECbg
06:03 kaeza wat
06:03 sema4 that link has nothing to do with directional lighting :P
06:03 mauvebic no i know i just thought it was funny lol
06:04 sema4 i had hoped it would have told me what nbu was
06:05 sema4 so uh.. what is nbu? :>
06:05 mauvebic sry i have to be off for an errand bbl
06:06 sema4 ok ttfn
06:06 kaeza mauvebic, epic
06:08 sema4 google not helping with nby
06:08 sema4 nbu
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06:10 kaeza sema4, nodebox utility
06:10 kaeza == nbu
06:10 sema4 hmm
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06:12 mauvebic no ciggies :( http://ompldr.org/vZ3F5Mw/mm2-game-121812.zip nbu and mbbase mods for spotlights
06:13 sema4 thanks mauvebic, i will check it out!
06:17 sema4 lights.register ?  is that part of minetest proper?
06:19 mauvebic nope
06:20 mauvebic no other mod uses it anyhow
06:20 sema4 don't suppose you could give me a clue what to look for in here? :)
06:20 mauvebic what are you trying to do?
06:21 sema4 create a directional light
06:22 mauvebic you create an invisible block with the max light value and place those blocks
06:22 sema4 oh
06:22 sema4 i see
06:24 sema4 then place something else to block it on the appropriate sides
06:25 mauvebic what do you mean?
06:25 sema4 that won't work for me, because the side i want to block has to be a nodebox and due to the nodebox lighting bug the light will propogate
06:26 sema4 you said create an invisible block wiht max light value.   but that is not direction by itself, you have to use something to block light in some directions
06:28 mauvebic theres no real directional lighting in game
06:29 sema4 oh i see, you were suggesting to simulate direction light by putting the invisible light block on the light target
06:30 mauvebic thats the simplest way
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06:31 sema4 i suppose that would work
06:33 sema4 ok thanks for the input
06:38 sema4 bbl
06:40 kaeza night everyone. off to bed :)
06:41 OldCoder c u
06:41 kaeza o/
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06:56 marktraceur kaeza: Fucking poke me, youuuuuuu bastard
06:56 marktraceur Right, deop, drunk
06:56 TheZenKitteh .. you don't seem so drunk.. I can still understand you and im sober
06:58 TheZenKitteh plus you managed to deop yourself
06:58 TheZenKitteh lol
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07:30 celeron55 VanessaE: minetest uses irrlicht's bitmap font rendering
07:31 celeron55 there are some tools for the format somewhere if needed
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08:17 oblivion1500 I need help with Linux..
08:18 oblivion1500 I hit the network on off switch and it disabled my internet but wont turn back on
08:18 mauvebic ill tell you what my ISP asks every time...
08:18 mauvebic is the modem plugged in?
08:18 mauvebic lol
08:20 oblivion1500 And when I go to install individual drivers I get this..... Fatal: module ndiswrapper not found
08:21 oblivion1500 And yes my modum is plugged in
08:21 mauvebic minetest isn't the best channel to troubleshoot your connection
08:21 mauvebic the distro forum isn't either, but its your best bet lol
08:22 oblivion1500 I've been getting a lot of help from people here more then that of anywhere else
08:23 oblivion1500 And i can't see who's online on this android app
08:24 mauvebic what did you do to your drivers exactly
08:25 oblivion1500 Nothing
08:25 oblivion1500 I just hit the wireless on off switch
08:26 mauvebic physical switch or the tray icon ?
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08:27 mauvebic on a netbook?
08:27 oblivion1500 Like a touch button on the keyboard
08:27 oblivion1500 Yea
08:27 oblivion1500 Probook
08:28 mauvebic reboot
08:28 mauvebic if it still dont work you might have blown a circuit
08:28 oblivion1500 .... I did but I will do it again
08:28 mauvebic linux has scrapped the webcams on 3 netbooks ive had so far
08:28 mauvebic try a live distro
08:28 mauvebic if you have the same problem, hardware kaput
08:29 oblivion1500 What? Really?
08:30 mauvebic try booting a live distro and see what happens first
08:30 oblivion1500 Well i don't have another comp to use at the moment...
08:31 mauvebic how did you install linux in the first place?
08:31 oblivion1500 Uhm.... My witless works now
08:31 mauvebic you probably put it on sleep lol
08:31 oblivion1500 Hold on one sec
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08:35 Oblivion1500 so yea i dont know what happened
08:36 mauvebic linux rarely gets physical buttons right on laptop
08:36 mauvebic it might have mistaken on/off for wifi sleep lol
08:36 Oblivion1500 how do i see that?
08:37 mauvebic dunno, these days i stay just informed enough to run my favorite shit and dont fuck around with anything else when it comes to linux lol
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08:38 mauvebic screwing with linux when it works is sadistics
08:38 Ade96 Hello
08:38 mauvebic and probably accounts for the high rate of suicides among young developers lol
08:38 Oblivion1500 well im going to figure as much as i can about how linux works and why
08:39 mauvebic so thats two servings of politics and a side of tech
08:39 Oblivion1500 so i need to know the reason for every thing i do
08:39 Oblivion1500 also i restarted and wireless didnt work,,, i shut down and started back up and it worked
08:40 mauvebic restart probably saved the state, whereas shutdown reset it
08:41 Oblivion1500 hmm
08:42 Oblivion1500 well thanks for your help, it was pissing me off... also i have a program that i put a command in LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib /usr/local/bin/kvirc
08:43 Oblivion1500 to run off desktop
08:43 Oblivion1500 but when i restarted it didnt work
08:43 Oblivion1500 why would that path change?
08:43 Oblivion1500 i mean im using it now
08:43 mauvebic well its probably like storing things in /tmp , dont expect it to be there on restart lol
08:43 Oblivion1500 i had to go into my term and just type the name so thats what im going to change the command to but still
08:46 mauvebic i can only guess lol
08:50 Oblivion1500 well thanks for your help
08:50 mauvebic oh i didnt help much :p
08:50 Oblivion1500 well i may not have hard shut down and restart if you dint tell me to restart lol
08:51 mauvebic http://cheezburger.com/6959801344
08:52 Oblivion1500 lol
08:53 mauvebic thats me troubleshooting arch lol
08:54 mauvebic these days though reinstalling from a new image is shorter than actual troublehsooting
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08:54 Oblivion1500 well i need to buy myself a thumb drive and just keep it around as a live distro for the sake of things
08:54 mauvebic some of my bug reports for other software is going on 2 years active lol
08:55 mauvebic yeah you should always keep one jump drive with a live distro on it just in case
08:56 ruskie I tend to just keep a system with working USB around that I can do it
08:56 mauvebic if i look long enough i can prolly find my ubuntu 6.04 CD's lol
08:57 mauvebic back when ubuntu was competent lol
08:58 ruskie I don't have any optical media anymore
09:00 mauvebic i still holdon to drives
09:00 mauvebic i just dont bother with TVs/DVD players / BR players anymore
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09:35 ruskie mauvebic, I have some drives but they aren't connected anywhere... only use them if/when I buy an audio cd
09:36 mauvebic meh, with the streaming internet radio, and the real radio stations streaming too, not so much use for music cds
09:37 mauvebic bandwidth is cheaper than 30$/cd lol
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10:04 ruskie depends on the quality
10:04 ruskie also if you can find the music you want
10:37 celeron55 http://imgur.com/gallery/37G8f
10:37 celeron55 in case you're lacking random today
10:40 ruskie randmoness!!!
10:49 Oblivion1500 thanks celeron55 i needed that
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12:25 NekoGloop WELL ARENT YOU ALL AN ENERGETIC BUNCH THIS FINE MORNING
12:25 NekoGloop :3
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12:57 webdesigner97 hi
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13:43 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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13:47 markveidemanis Hi!
13:48 markveidemanis I want to open a Lua file withiout minetest
13:49 Infinity_69 you mean edit it?
13:49 Infinity_69 right-click it and pick EDIT [Windows] or Open With GEdit [ubuntu]
13:49 markveidemanis No, run it
13:49 markveidemanis With standard lua
13:49 Infinity_69 umm...you cant, i think :/
13:50 Infinity_69 hey mark
13:50 Infinity_69 do the italian text :D
13:50 markveidemanis Huh?
13:50 PilzAdam you cant run the Minetest scripts because the minetest table would be nil
13:50 Infinity_69 mark
13:50 PilzAdam so minetest.register_node() or similiar will give an error
13:50 Infinity_69 Its'a me'a, Mario!
13:50 markveidemanis NOt minetest scripts...
13:50 Infinity_69 oh :D
13:50 markveidemanis i hate caps
13:50 Infinity_69 then idk
13:51 PilzAdam ok, then just type "lua your_script.lua" in the terminal
13:51 markveidemanis I know in Linux its the command line.
13:51 markveidemanis Yep
13:51 markveidemanis On windows?
13:51 PilzAdam dunno
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13:51 Infinity_69 like that
13:51 PilzAdam go to lua.org or google it
13:52 PilzAdam but dont ask such offtopic questions here again
13:52 markveidemanis http://www.lua.org/download.html
13:52 markveidemanis But minetest is made in Lua!
13:53 PilzAdam wrong
13:53 markveidemanis C++
13:53 markveidemanis With Lua mixed in!
13:53 PilzAdam not "mixed in"
13:53 markveidemanis Integrated
13:54 celeron55 lua is compiled into minetest and it only uses it for... well, the thing it does; you can download or compile the sole lua interpreter if you want
13:54 celeron55 (i do have it, installed just by pacman -S lua)
13:54 markveidemanis pacman?
13:54 markveidemanis Linux?
13:55 celeron55 if you're programming on windows, that's your problem 8)
13:55 markveidemanis Well, this is not my comp
13:55 markveidemanis I agree that windows is ****
13:56 celeron55 http://code.google.com/p/luaforwindows/downloads/list
13:56 celeron55 that should be useufl
13:56 celeron55 useful*
13:56 celeron55 http://code.google.com/p/luaforwindows/
13:56 celeron55 it contains a crapton of lua libraries too
13:56 markveidemanis I can't download anything atm
13:57 celeron55 well then you can use this for experimenting: http://www.lua.org/demo.html
13:58 markveidemanis I Go Now.
13:58 markveidemanis .quit
13:58 markveidemanis arrggh
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14:25 VanessaE morning all.
14:26 Infinity_69 achdung
14:26 Infinity_69 :D
14:27 Infinity_69 did i spell it right?
14:27 Infinity_69 achdung...
14:27 Infinity_69 attention...
14:27 Infinity_69 :D
14:27 VanessaE I believe it is achtung
14:27 Infinity_69 oh :D
14:27 Infinity_69 well im not german, so fuck it >:/
14:27 Infinity_69 good enought :D
14:28 Infinity_69 bye
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14:30 PilzAdam damn you GitHub! Let me push to my repo!
14:31 * jojoa1997 viruses githun
14:31 VanessaE celeron55: fat lotta good those tools do if the only one I can find runs only on WinXP (and not even under WINE).
14:31 PilzAdam https://github.com/contact gives me a unicorn! lol
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14:31 jojoa1997 *github
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14:37 KikaRz http://www.worldometers.info/
14:37 KikaRz This is GIANT...
14:39 jojoa1997 WOW
14:43 NakedFury every counter keeps rising except books published
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14:48 * jojoa1997 signal test
14:49 Kacey alright i have a couple hours almost
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14:52 Kacey st5upid XChat
14:52 Kacey phail
14:52 jojoa1997 how is the black hole coming
14:53 Kacey starting it now
14:53 Kacey can you look up the spawning for a sphere
14:56 Kacey im thinking just go with a black hole now k?
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14:57 jojoa1997_ make the black hole a model so it can spin
14:58 KikaRz NakedFury, nobody cares about books...
14:58 KikaRz Now we have EBooks
14:58 NakedFury books are evil they harm nature
14:58 jojoa1997 hardcopies are tue best
14:58 jojoa1997 the
14:59 * jojoa1997 signal test
14:59 Kacey no models
15:00 Kacey i cannot use blender
15:00 jojoa1997 ok
15:00 jojoa1997 what about animated nodes
15:00 Kacey just a medium sphere
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15:01 Kacey maybe later but for now just a black hole that sucks nodes and players in
15:01 RealBadAngel hi all
15:01 Kacey hello
15:01 RealBadAngel wassup?
15:01 Kacey making a mod
15:02 jojoa1997 Kacey yep that is Good
15:02 Kacey alright
15:02 jojoa1997 it can be used as a teleporter to
15:03 RealBadAngel what mod?
15:03 jojoa1997 black hole
15:03 Kacey maybe teleport later
15:03 Kacey once white hole is put in
15:04 jojoa1997 yay
15:04 Kacey walkable = false so they can go through it
15:04 jojoa1997 gtg will check in later
15:05 Kacey k
15:06 Kacey i must go also
15:07 Exio hey RealBadAngel
15:07 RealBadAngel hi
15:09 VanessaE well I give up.
15:10 VanessaE both irrlicht and the web give me a big "fuck you" to the idea of creating a decent, readable font for MT.
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15:19 RealBadAngel VanessaE, you know, if in the start it wont work, you have to try try try
15:21 PilzAdam VanessaE, https://github.com/kahrl/irrtum
15:21 VanessaE RealBadAngel: the only tools that run at all only run in windows and either don't create the old format that MT uses or they just don't run at all in Wine..
15:22 RealBadAngel so throw away old formats
15:22 VanessaE RealBadAngel: a truetype patch for MT has existed for months now.
15:22 VanessaE and has yet to be merged and put into use
15:22 RealBadAngel PilzAdam?
15:22 PilzAdam because it has bugs
15:22 PilzAdam many bugs
15:23 RealBadAngel so fix it :)
15:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, seen the converter I linked?
15:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: trying it now.
15:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: ah, that seems to work
15:25 * PilzAdam sees the "Change font" pull request comming,,,
15:25 PilzAdam *...
15:25 RealBadAngel hallelujah!
15:25 celeron55 http://www.brankovukelic.com/2013/01/on-state-of-windows-on-desktop.html
15:26 VanessaE PilzAdam: nope, I just need something compatible with my poor eyesight.
15:26 RealBadAngel hi celeron55
15:27 RealBadAngel celeron55, ive designed replacement for default trees. http://realbadangel.pl/oldvsnew.png do you like them?
15:30 celeron55 fine enough i guess - i'd maybe recommend making them as random as possible while maintaining the size and that you can usually walk under them
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15:31 celeron55 also, does your tree generator support controlled speudorandom?
15:31 celeron55 pseudo*
15:33 celeron55 iirc the current one does not, but adding a seed as a parameter that could either be a random number or a position-dependent pseudorandom number made by anything which wants some kind of predictability should be possible
15:36 celeron55 (so it would create the exact same tree for the exact same seed)
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15:39 RealBadAngel it doesnt use seeds. just pure random
15:40 RealBadAngel but i can control size easily
15:40 RealBadAngel i can define what parts of the trees shall be fixed, what random
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15:42 RealBadAngel for example i can draw trunks with F command (100%) and add several pieces with random codition "f"
15:43 RealBadAngel so, can define minimum and maximum for the trunk size
15:43 KikaRz Away*
15:43 KikaRz Physical education...
15:44 RealBadAngel FFFFfff is a trunk of minimum 4 and maximum 7 height
15:45 RealBadAngel in fact im using there two extra rules i added
15:46 RealBadAngel capital letter for rule means it will be included with 100% chance
15:46 RealBadAngel others have different propabilities, a=90, b=80,c=70, d=60%
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15:48 RealBadAngel i used to have on rule C twist of the trunks/branches, and on D trunk itself
15:48 RealBadAngel and adding to axioms cccdddd for example
15:48 RealBadAngel 3 possible twists, and four possible trunk/branch extensions
15:50 RealBadAngel axiom="FFccc&FFFFFdddFA//A//A//A//A//A",
15:50 RealBadAngel like here in palm tree axiom
15:52 RealBadAngel to the point, its almost impossible for treegen to generate two same lookin trees
15:53 RealBadAngel they can look like the kind
15:54 RealBadAngel but will never be the same
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15:54 PilzAdam why not pass a seed to generate_tree() and use pseudorandom in the function?
15:54 RealBadAngel ask trees and plants IRL why each one is different :)
15:55 PilzAdam its just for the mapgen to create exactly the same map each time
15:55 RealBadAngel the system is made on purpose to generate randomly lookin creations
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15:56 RealBadAngel not feeded by seeds
15:56 PilzAdam the generator should create the same map with a fixed seed, trees shouldnt be an exception
15:56 RealBadAngel tree is not a map
15:57 RealBadAngel tree is a plant
15:57 PilzAdam but its part of the map
15:57 RealBadAngel rotfl
15:57 RealBadAngel plant a tree in your garden
15:57 ruskie maybe have two modes? one that is predictable and another that isn't?
15:58 RealBadAngel and ask it to grow how you would like to
15:58 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: the tree is a part of the map
15:58 PilzAdam I am talking about the map generator and not realtime creations
15:58 RealBadAngel but is a plant
15:58 RealBadAngel and those are not predicteable
15:58 iqualfragile its generated on map-generation
15:58 PilzAdam in Minetest they are
15:58 PilzAdam *they should
15:58 iqualfragile the map is a geological landscape, its not predictable
15:58 RealBadAngel they shouldnt
15:58 RealBadAngel in ANY case
15:59 celeron55 RealBadAngel: when a planted tree grows, it should use uncontrolled random
15:59 iqualfragile its influenced by chaotic processes
15:59 Exio they should with the same seed
15:59 iqualfragile yeah
15:59 iqualfragile but on mapgen they should be reproduceable
15:59 RealBadAngel trees?
15:59 iqualfragile and thats not that much work
15:59 RealBadAngel no way
15:59 celeron55 but when a tree is put on a generated map, it should be always the same at the same spot, and the map generator can create a random number at a position that is always the same at the same position
15:59 RealBadAngel veto
16:00 RealBadAngel it can generate on the very same spot
16:00 RealBadAngel but definitely wont be lookin the same
16:00 PilzAdam if you type in a fixed seed you want exactly the same map and not the same landscape with different trees
16:01 celeron55 i have seen this discussions before - this will end up me calling you to stop being stupid and you quitting for a while 8)
16:01 PilzAdam you also get same ores, same junglegrass, same caves
16:01 RealBadAngel i wont do that because its AGAINST whole the idea of L-system trees
16:01 PilzAdam why not same trees?
16:01 celeron55 anyway, i don't really care; it's just that there is no reason not to do it
16:02 RealBadAngel theres not any reason to do it
16:02 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: lets see it from a technical pov: when the same seed generates exactly the same landscape you can just save the diffs (lateron)
16:02 iqualfragile thats an awsome compression
16:02 PilzAdam we have listed reasons for the last 5 minutes
16:02 celeron55 altough, there *is* a reason to do it, if the mapgen is ever going to be used in such a way that nonmodified parts of the world will not be saved
16:02 celeron55 then the same part must be generated *exactly* the same every time
16:02 iqualfragile celeron55: high5
16:03 RealBadAngel hola guys
16:03 celeron55 including trees and everything
16:03 RealBadAngel are default trees usin seeds?
16:03 PilzAdam currently not
16:03 celeron55 no, because somebody has been lazy
16:03 RealBadAngel so whats the talkin
16:03 celeron55 does minetest currently use L-system trees? no, so what's the talkin'
16:03 celeron55 let's not use them 8)
16:04 RealBadAngel hehehe
16:04 celeron55 the only right answer you can give is "i am too lazy, we'll do it some day if necessary"
16:04 RealBadAngel im tryin to tell ya its IMPOSSIBLE for L-systems to generate two exact same trees
16:04 iqualfragile can someone please remove the comented-out parts from https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/src/mapgen.cpp thats what vcs are for
16:04 celeron55 RealBadAngel: you're very wrong
16:04 RealBadAngel never was and never will
16:04 celeron55 RealBadAngel: see how the dungeon generator works
16:05 RealBadAngel are dungeon using l-systems?
16:05 celeron55 it's somewhat similar to an L-system random-wise, and it is perfectly predictable
16:05 celeron55 you can find a current working version of it here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/jungleanddungeons
16:05 RealBadAngel youre all tryin now to make nature predictable
16:06 PilzAdam iqualfragile, it would somewhat look like this: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/blob/flat/src/mapgen.cpp
16:06 RealBadAngel which is nonsense
16:06 VanessaE ok apparently MT also uses not just the red/yellow dots but one of the chars in the font to establish "where" the font starts.  Which character
16:06 VanessaE ?
16:06 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: thats what the seed is there for
16:06 PilzAdam MT doesnt have nature built in currently
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16:07 iqualfragile think of it as a multiverse, identified by an u64
16:07 RealBadAngel thats why those trees lookin so good
16:07 RealBadAngel they are unpredicteable
16:08 celeron55 VanessaE: did you see my answer?
16:08 celeron55 VanessaE: go shout at irrlicht, and use their documentation
16:08 celeron55 VanessaE: the font isn't some mystical thing, it's irrlicht standard bitmap font with tools available
16:08 RealBadAngel if you dont like l-systems just revert my commits
16:08 VanessaE celeron55: pilzadam pointed me to a tool that works.
16:08 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: im just looking at treegen.cpp, im shure that we will find a way to make your trees look good AND predictable
16:08 RealBadAngel and have those predicteable sticks with some green on it
16:09 celeron55 they're not predictable, but could be made exactly like L-system trees could 8)
16:09 RealBadAngel i WONT aply any seed stuff on them. NEVER
16:09 iqualfragile wrong intonation, i guess
16:09 iqualfragile I wont aply any seed stuff on them. NEVER
16:09 PilzAdam I assume the trees use random() ATM?
16:09 PilzAdam so they DO use a seed, you just dont notice
16:11 RealBadAngel if they do, then its my mistake
16:11 iqualfragile they use myrand_range(
16:11 RealBadAngel not intended
16:11 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: i think you missunderstand the concept of a seed
16:12 iqualfragile there will not be 10000 times the same tree on a map
16:12 RealBadAngel i clearly see, you want two very same trees with given map seed
16:12 iqualfragile yep
16:12 iqualfragile on the same prosition
16:12 RealBadAngel no way
16:12 iqualfragile so that diff map1 map2
16:12 Exio only in generation *
16:12 iqualfragile > empty
16:12 iqualfragile but why?
16:13 RealBadAngel cut the tree, plant another on the very same pos
16:13 PilzAdam in-game they will have a random seed
16:13 RealBadAngel you will get another tree
16:13 PilzAdam it only in mapgen
16:13 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: thats no problem
16:13 RealBadAngel so why the heck forcing two same on generation?
16:14 PilzAdam because the mapgenerator is supposed to create the same map each time (with same seed)
16:14 RealBadAngel i think such change would mean trash all the random stuff ive put there
16:14 PilzAdam and the thing c55 mentioned: if only the changed nodes will be saved, it has to be the same
16:15 iqualfragile why would it trash the random stuff?
16:15 iqualfragile in every single world there would be a (fuckload) of different trees
16:16 RealBadAngel because pure random is one of the pillars of l-systems
16:16 PilzAdam just pass a sed to the function, and use the PseudoRandom(seed) that MT already has
16:16 PilzAdam and for Lua interface use: treegen(seed=random())
16:16 VanessaE aw screw it.  remove all trees from the map, put them in my moretrees mod, and make that mod part of the default game. :-)
16:17 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: show me pure randomness on a windows computer and i show you the cure to cancer and aids
16:17 iqualfragile (hint: i dont have the cure to cancer)
16:17 RealBadAngel take a stick and plant some trees :P
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16:18 RealBadAngel if you will find 2 very same i owe you a good whiskey :P
16:18 iqualfragile thats right, absulutely
16:18 iqualfragile but:
16:19 iqualfragile take two universes
16:19 PilzAdam check
16:19 iqualfragile make them exaclty the same, let them explode
16:19 PilzAdam ...check
16:19 iqualfragile wait a litle while
16:19 PilzAdam ........................check
16:19 iqualfragile see that in both universes a litle blue planet is born
16:19 PilzAdam check
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16:20 iqualfragile an on both universes RealBadAngel has got to buy me a good whiskey
16:20 RealBadAngel and on (996,10,-267) both have very same tree
16:20 iqualfragile thats exactly the difference between mapgen and ingame
16:20 RealBadAngel HALLELUJAH!
16:20 RealBadAngel praise the lord!
16:21 iqualfragile there is no lord
16:21 RealBadAngel yup, theres a seed
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16:22 kaeza hey all
16:22 iqualfragile did i convince you?
16:22 iqualfragile hi kaeza
16:22 RealBadAngel almighty seed
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16:22 jojoa1997 hi
16:22 iqualfragile … i take that as a yes
16:22 RealBadAngel nature used to show a finger to such ideas ;)
16:22 Exio hey kaeza
16:22 PilzAdam thats the way the MT mapgen works, almighty seed
16:22 sokomine the windows computer might have a cpu with a special command for random data. i don't remember how good that static was as a random generator and i have no idea if windows can access it or if it can actually be bought somewhere
16:23 iqualfragile PilzAdam: you should start using neo it has those badasses: …
16:23 iqualfragile sokomine: … srsly?
16:23 kaeza sup Exio?
16:23 iqualfragile i mean like SRSLY?
16:23 sokomine yes, i read a newsticker article about such a hardware implementation once. it was reading some sensor data which was close enough to white noise iirc
16:23 Exio just reading a fight
16:23 PilzAdam iqualfragile, you mean neo the keyboard layout?
16:24 iqualfragile yes
16:24 iqualfragile "…" one char
16:24 sokomine good to hear that the trees are further progressing
16:24 PilzAdam AltGr + . on qwertz ;-)
16:24 PilzAdam …
16:24 iqualfragile hmm… thats an unknown character for me
16:24 RealBadAngel by now i can say only one thing. if my_rand was supposed to be feeded with seed, i shall implement something real random there. howgh
16:24 kaeza "·" on qwerty
16:24 iqualfragile but its so uncomfortable
16:25 RealBadAngel now goin to cook somethin. with a seed (recipe)
16:25 iqualfragile its just ä+q on neo2
16:25 iqualfragile (using a qwertz keyboard here)
16:25 sokomine you have to distribute the result of your cookings here so that we can comment on how random it was :)) (and get something to eat at the same time :))
16:26 RealBadAngel be back in 30-45 minutes
16:26 PilzAdam c  u
16:26 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: myrand is verry simple:
16:26 iqualfragile next = next * 1103515245 + 12345;
16:26 iqualfragile return((unsigned)(next/65536) % 32768);
16:27 iqualfragile and the initial value of "next" is the seed
16:27 iqualfragile done
16:27 RealBadAngel my bad, will never use such primitive again
16:27 iqualfragile usualy the system-time is used
16:27 iqualfragile random() works quite simialr
16:27 FreeFull "�" Guys, UTF-8 please
16:27 iqualfragile ………………⃗↑↕→:↔⇌↕⃗↕↑↕⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗✔✘♦♠♦♥‣
16:28 FreeFull iqualfragile: Yeah, that displays fine
16:28 FreeFull But PilzAdam's and kaeza's didn't
16:28 jojoa1997 how do you do those on a qwerty keyboard
16:28 iqualfragile ok
16:28 kaeza ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → A B Start
16:28 FreeFull I can do ♥ using compose
16:28 iqualfragile jojoa1997: you switch to neo2 if you are german
16:28 FreeFull kaeza: B A
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16:28 jojoa1997 im american
16:28 FreeFull ¤_¤
16:28 iqualfragile thats sad to hear
16:28 jojoa1997 why
16:28 Exio american?
16:29 iqualfragile best utf-character ever:⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗⃗
16:29 RealBadAngel america? wheres that?
16:29 jojoa1997 United States of America
16:29 Jeija What continent??
16:30 RealBadAngel i watched street-show where one were askin american where and what europe is
16:30 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: its a continet wich was conquered by spanish people
16:30 jojoa1997 North_america
16:30 RealBadAngel most of them had no glue
16:30 iqualfragile i dont have glue either
16:30 Exio jojoa1997: America*, and evn
16:30 PilzAdam My english teacher really thinks that there is only one contintent called america, and not north and south amercia :D
16:30 jojoa1997 what americans have no glue
16:30 Exio even in north america you aren't no alone
16:30 iqualfragile all armericans are glueless
16:31 jojoa1997 i am not :-)
16:31 kaeza armerica!!
16:31 kaeza urnited srtates of armerica
16:31 iqualfragile FreeFull: τρντχωκλεχβσνοσϕφυ?
16:31 jojoa1997 iam the one of the fifty who have a clue
16:31 Exio you have mexico, canada, and then central america and south america
16:31 jojoa1997 maxico is central america
16:31 jojoa1997 i think
16:31 iqualfragile ah, ok thats that "new" continent, isnt it?
16:32 kaeza don't forget groenland
16:32 iqualfragile the spanish discovered it some time ago
16:32 FreeFull iqualfragile: I don't speak greek
16:32 jojoa1997 and the sliver of antartica
16:32 iqualfragile didnt they?
16:32 Exio and the antartica is in the north, no?
16:32 iqualfragile did it work out?
16:32 jojoa1997 artic is north antartica south
16:32 jojoa1997 go study http://www.mapsofworld.com
16:33 iqualfragile are there still people over there, that far away from civilisation
16:33 Jeija http://bit.ly/WGJCPK Now tell me where the hell usa is?
16:33 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
16:33 Exio hahahahahahaha
16:33 RealBadAngel watch this
16:33 kaeza iqualfragile, if g*d's minetest server did not lag so much, america could have been conquered earlier
16:34 kaeza the chunks were not loading :)
16:35 jojoa1997 it is the orange on the top left http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=active&amp;client=tablet-android-asus-nexus&amp;tbo=d&amp;rlz=1Y3NDUG_enUS504US504&amp;biw=600&amp;bih=904&amp;tbm=isch&amp;sa=1&amp;q=USA+compared+to+world&amp;oq=USA+compared+to+world&amp;gs_l=img.3...10834.15394.0.15499.18.14.0.4.0.0.218.1725.5j7j2.14.0...0.0...1ac.1.cpNX7YizkTA#biv=i|32;d|BgbA2Qh6SgSFoM:
16:35 iqualfragile damn, 4
16:35 jojoa1997 and also the little part of of canada
16:35 jojoa1997 and a island chain in the pacific
16:35 iqualfragile jojoa1997: you are aware that goole shows different results to different people
16:35 iqualfragile you and your colony will get some results wich makes it seem big
16:36 jojoa1997 My colony?
16:36 jojoa1997 IT is like the third biggest in the world
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16:36 sokomine kaeza: :-)
16:36 Exio iqualfragile: he got an "USA is bigger than Mars!"
16:36 Exio or something like it
16:37 jojoa1997 What do you mean by that
16:37 iqualfragile ühm… ok
16:37 iqualfragile jojoa1997: how many sides does an triange have?
16:37 jojoa1997 3
16:37 jojoa1997 tetrahedral 4
16:37 jojoa1997 pentagon 5
16:38 jojoa1997 ungon 11
16:38 jojoa1997 nongon 9
16:38 Zetetic *tetrahedron
16:38 Zetetic *nonagon
16:38 jojoa1997 tetrahedral is chemistry
16:38 jojoa1997 i am using tablet hard to type
16:38 Zetetic it looked like you were talking about polytopes
16:38 iqualfragile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
16:38 Zetetic Always a pain :/
16:38 Exio tell me how many continents are in earth
16:39 Exio hint: it is a number!
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16:39 jojoa1997_ sorry i left all of a sudden
16:39 jojoa1997_ closed out i mean
16:39 NakedFury pentahedronondral has many sides
16:39 Exio [13:38:59] <Exio> tell me how many continents are in earth
16:39 Exio [13:39:12] <Exio> hint: it is a number!
16:39 jojoa1997_ 7
16:39 Zetetic Hmm, Eurasia, North America, South America, Africa(is that more than one?), India, Antarctica, Oceana
16:39 Zetetic About seven
16:39 RealBadAngel name the country startin with "U"... ummm i dont know? what about United States of America?
16:40 RealBadAngel rotfl
16:40 VanessaE can someone tell me where in the game the lucida font is being used versus the dejavu font?
16:40 jojoa1997_ what is you r brain black hole
16:40 NakedFury uruguay
16:40 Jordach ffs
16:40 kaeza VanessaE, guiFont.cpp
16:40 Jordach can we PLEASE get back on topic
16:40 jojoa1997_ k
16:40 VanessaE thanks
16:40 RealBadAngel watch the film and answers
16:40 jojoa1997_ hi VanessaE
16:40 iqualfragile how many kidneys does a human have?
16:40 jojoa1997_ 2
16:40 iqualfragile one!
16:40 RealBadAngel that is braindead what americans have to say
16:40 NakedFury I thought all this conversation would lead back to minetest and land generation
16:40 Jordach 4, im a time lord
16:41 Jordach :P
16:41 Jordach oh pleas
16:41 Jordach please*
16:41 Exio Zetetic: wth, India is a continent?
16:41 VanessaE kaeza: maybe not, I don't see that file among the sources
16:41 iqualfragile Jordach: do they have duplicates of all their interiour organns?
16:41 Jordach possibly
16:41 jojoa1997_ so what were yall talking about mapgen
16:41 kaeza VanessaE, my bad, guiChatConsole.cpp
16:41 Exio and every North/Central/South America is 'one'
16:41 Zetetic Exio: geologically
16:41 VanessaE ah, ok
16:42 jojoa1997_ ?.?
16:42 Zetetic There are bunch of other ones underwater I think too
16:42 jojoa1997_ no
16:42 kaeza VanessaE, lines 93 and 1331
16:42 jojoa1997_ nvm im confused
16:42 iqualfragile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE#t=271s oh dear it pains
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16:43 jojoa1997_ that is but a few stupid people they added after asking more than a thousand
16:43 jojoa1997_ or paid actors
16:43 Zetetic I doubt it's paid actors, it's not hard to find ignorant people anywhere
16:44 jojoa1997_ GOLDFISH
16:44 Exio it is really easy Zetetic
16:44 * jojoa1997_ nom nom nom
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16:44 Hi-jera_WingFox hi
16:44 kaeza hey
16:44 jojoa1997 hi
16:45 Hi-jera_WingFox is there anyway to play minetest through proxy ?
16:45 Hi-jera_WingFox *any way
16:45 jojoa1997 whats proxy
16:46 * jojoa1997 signal test
16:47 jojoa1997 so................
16:48 jojoa1997 wrong channel
16:48 Hi-jera_WingFox http proxy i think
16:48 Hi-jera_WingFox or not...
16:48 Hi-jera_WingFox i need to ask someone :)
16:48 VanessaE there, now my damn fonts are readable.
16:48 iqualfragile Hi-jera_WingFox: what do you want to acomplish?
16:48 VanessaE :)
16:48 jojoa1997 there are others here but they are SILENT
16:49 jojoa1997 or not
16:49 kaeza VanessaE, screenie?
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16:50 VanessaE kaeza: sure, sec.
16:51 jojoa1997 one sec over ;-)
16:51 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2001142013%20-%2011:51:14%20AM.png
16:51 VanessaE can't do much about the line of text at the bottom though, I guess that's being positioned by the engine.
16:51 jojoa1997 what that screenie of
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16:51 Kacey jojoa1997?
16:52 jojoa1997 Kacey KikaRz hi
16:52 Kacey hi
16:52 jojoa1997 yeah
16:52 VanessaE jojoa1997: Unified Inventory on my server..  just playing with the fonts to try to improve readability on my screen. nothing fancy
16:52 jojoa1997 oh ok
16:52 jojoa1997 Kacey dont have much time what is it
16:52 kaeza VanessaE, it looks waaaaaay nicer :)
16:52 Kacey haha not very far into the mod
16:53 Kacey minetest.register_node("holes:black", {
16:53 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/fontdejavusansmono.png
16:53 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/fontlucida.png
16:53 Kacey thats about as far in as i am
16:53 jojoa1997 Kacey gtg send me a pm on forums
16:53 VanessaE the two font files (both are dejavu actually).  put them in .minetest/textures/all
16:54 jojoa1997 oh then i might make it send me pm of what you want in it
16:54 Kacey naw ill work on it tonight when i get home
16:54 KikaRz STUPID INTERNET ISP!
16:54 jojoa1997 cya
16:54 kaeza KikaRz, \o/
16:54 Kacey school going to start soon so not much time either
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16:54 kaeza problems agan?
16:54 kaeza again even
16:55 Kacey kaeza : Slenderman es un hombre alto haha
16:55 Hi-jera_WingFox iqualfragile, my friend is away for now.. i'll tell you later
16:55 kaeza VanessaE, how about opening a font thread on the texture packs forum?
16:56 VanessaE I'm about to.
16:56 kaeza nice ^_^
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16:59 rubenwardy Is there a higher quality version of this: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/File:Welcome.png
17:00 VanessaE kaeza:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4436
17:01 kaeza excellent
17:02 VanessaE there, with the image visible now.
17:02 rubenwardy Is there a higher quality version of this: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/File:Welcome.png , Calinou?
17:03 Hi-jera_WingFox iqualfragile, he's trying to play minetest from work where he has UserGate software
17:03 iqualfragile Hi-jera_WingFox: you are not allowed to play minetest from work, dont do so
17:06 kaeza VanessaE, much better readability, and that black contour makes them visible even on white backgound.
17:06 VanessaE exACTly
17:14 kaeza interesting... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_973673402.jpg
17:14 VanessaE ?
17:14 kaeza a tree in the middle of a desert
17:15 * rubenwardy is making Minetest t-shirts
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17:16 kaeza thanks mapgen! that is very realistic indeed! :P
17:17 Obiewan1111 Is there a way for me to change a few things to make it so on creative it's 1-hit to destroy a block?
17:17 kaeza yes
17:18 sokomine anyone intrested in how minecraft classic maps can look like in minetest?
17:18 Obiewan1111 Tell me kaeza! :D
17:18 sokomine with shaders enabled i got the same slow speed in minetest as in mc classic. with them disabled, the grapics didn't look any worse - but it was the faster minetest speed again :-)
17:19 kaeza you asked if there was a way. not WHAT was the way. :P
17:19 sokomine maybe through groups? or just giving the player an admin pickaxe?
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17:19 kaeza I think you should modifying item groups from a mod
17:20 kaeza s/ing/
17:20 kaeza +/
17:20 sokomine yes, that might work as well. but maybe a special pick is more practical for most purposes
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17:21 kaeza Obiewan1111, why not use admin pickaxe?
17:21 VanessaE admin pick ftw
17:21 Obiewan1111 Because that wastes space? If there is a way, please explain it.
17:21 Obiewan1111 It would make my videoing much easier.
17:21 Exio can't you break every block in a very short 'time'?
17:21 VanessaE Obiewan1111: well, current creative mode can cut down almost all objects in like half a second now
17:22 VanessaE even by hand
17:22 rubenwardy A bit small... http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75700118/dungeon-master_tshirt
17:22 Obiewan1111 Is there a way to make it instant no matter what tool/item?
17:23 Exio you can use a 'one click mod' i saw a .. long ago, but it is just a on dig remove node
17:23 Exio i'll try to get it sec
17:23 Obiewan1111 Alright.
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17:24 kaeza rubenwardy, the DM is not very appealing to children (which I think is the main audience)
17:24 Exio http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1307
17:25 kaeza the new 3d model would be better
17:25 kaeza player model*
17:25 jojoa1997 what does it look like
17:26 Obiewan1111 Exio, that download link is broken.
17:26 Obiewan1111 But thanks anyway.
17:26 Exio gr
17:26 Exio iirc i have a old copy of it somewhere
17:27 Obiewan1111 Some convert the Sphax texture pack, I am in love with it. :D
17:27 Obiewan1111 http://bdcraft.net/sphax-purebdcraft-texturepack
17:30 rubenwardy kaeza: what would be better?
17:30 Exio :D
17:31 NakedFury obiewan I tried but since MC uses grey grass and leaves I have a hard time coloring it
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17:33 NakedFury after the patch MC is gonna use same texturing system that we have so bringing the packs is gonna be easier
17:34 Exio lol
17:34 Obiewan1111 xD
17:34 Obiewan1111 Meh.. I just seriously love that tp.
17:35 Obiewan1111 And after watching all of the Yogscast's Tekkit vids, it gets in your head.
17:35 Exio i just haz an init.lua in my oneclick http://cadoth.net/~exio4/mt/oneclick.lua *as init.lua* :P
17:35 Exio i removed the /oneclick stuff
17:35 NakedFury I use it too but unless MT adopts the MC coloring system I wont be able to bring it. I like spahx tp
17:35 Obiewan1111 Alright. Thanks.
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17:37 rubenwardy Updated: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?from=CustomDesigner&amp;number=769746495
17:38 jojoa1997 I like how you made it look like it was on sale. XD
17:38 jojoa1997 and it just came out
17:38 rubenwardy it is on sale
17:39 RealBadAngel NakedFury, you can make this based on temp bias
17:39 jojoa1997 price time range
17:39 NakedFury temp bias?
17:39 jojoa1997 0 min $30 10 sec SALE! $20
17:39 RealBadAngel temperature bias
17:39 RealBadAngel perlin noise
17:40 PilzAdam particles are now upstream
17:41 Obiewan1111 Is there a way to make it so in creative mode the blocks are infinite? Rather than 99.
17:41 Exio they are infinite
17:41 RealBadAngel does those particles use seeds?
17:41 Exio actually
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17:42 Obiewan1111 They aren't?
17:42 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, yes, they use a random function that is based on a seed (the one in math.h i guess)
17:42 Exio well, the last git + minetest_game
17:43 PilzAdam they arent infinite in 0.4.4
17:43 Exio oh, it is something new in git?
17:44 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, so every time you launch a game wih one seed you can see exactly same particles when hit dirt on the corner?
17:44 RealBadAngel sad :P
17:44 PilzAdam no, because the game uses the time as seed
17:44 PilzAdam (I guess)
17:45 jojoa1997 \o/ i am 18th in # of forum posts
17:46 Exio quantity or quality?
17:46 rubenwardy #19 for me
17:46 * PilzAdam is #6
17:46 rubenwardy I was #12
17:46 NakedFury I sometimes post but most of the time just lurk
17:47 * jojoa1997 went from 36 to 19 in 6 hours
17:47 jojoa1997 mean 18
17:47 rubenwardy jojoa1997 must be at #18 because he asks lots of questions. He registered at 13-Dec-2012
17:48 jojoa1997 I am very active
17:48 rubenwardy Me, i am at #19, and I registered at  2012-06-12
17:48 rubenwardy (12 june, 2012)
17:48 jojoa1997 i ask/give thoughts/ask some more/post/+stuff/and more ;)
17:48 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, wait wait wait, if the game uses time (as you said) so you want users to launch the game on specific hours to get same lookin plants too?
17:49 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?from=CustomDesigner&amp;number=769749832
17:49 Obiewan1111 So is there a way? [17:41] <Obiewan1111> Is there a way to make it so in creative mode the blocks are infinite? Rather than 99.
17:49 PilzAdam it uses the c time, wich is the # of milliseconds beginning at 1970 IIRC
17:49 jojoa1997 gtg soon
17:50 PilzAdam most random generators on computers do
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17:51 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, there is no "real" random on a normal computer
17:52 thexyz PilzAdam: /dev/random
17:52 Zetetic /dev/thorium
17:52 RealBadAngel wanna bet?
17:53 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?from=CustomDesigner&amp;number=769749832
17:53 rubenwardy Coaster
17:53 RealBadAngel i will write you random gen that no seed will help you
17:53 marktraceur RealBadAngel: Do you think you can prove randomness? Really?
17:54 RealBadAngel none of generators will be perfect
17:55 RealBadAngel but im strict agains the idea of plants being treated like a piece of terrain
17:55 RealBadAngel *t
17:55 marktraceur PilzAdam: s/c time/UNIX time/
17:56 RealBadAngel those are living stuff, shall be unpredicteable
17:56 RealBadAngel like the nature
17:56 Exio . the stuff "in nature" will be, it should be fixed only in the map generation
17:57 RealBadAngel so write it
17:57 RealBadAngel i wont
17:57 RealBadAngel period
17:57 RealBadAngel delete my stuff, and stop botherin me
17:57 RealBadAngel c ya
17:58 PilzAdam come on man
17:58 marktraceur RealBadAngel: Bit of an overreaction, isn't it?
17:59 RealBadAngel im sick of such comments to my work
17:59 RealBadAngel its pure monthy python
17:59 Exio the trees are using a seed at this moment, so, what?
18:00 RealBadAngel dont like, delete
18:00 RealBadAngel i wont dance for a seed dance
18:00 marktraceur RealBadAngel: I don't understand, what comment is setting you off?
18:01 RealBadAngel c55 and pilzadam wants treegen to generate repetitive trees with given seed
18:01 RealBadAngel i said NO
18:01 thexyz why?
18:01 celeron55 why not just stop this nonsense; the discussed feature can be added to RBA's code with not much work anyway when it is needed
18:02 RealBadAngel sure, add this. ruin the whole idea of treegen
18:02 celeron55 ah, this is how the discussion gets continued
18:02 celeron55 RealBadAngel: stop the bullshit
18:02 celeron55 now
18:03 rubenwardy celeron55: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?from=CustomDesigner&amp;number=769746495
18:05 thexyz oh, i see, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-01-14#i_2808827
18:06 celeron55 rubenwardy: the DM is awesome, but there is just one problem: it's not in the game
18:06 rubenwardy oh
18:06 marktraceur celeron55: Why would you be belligerent about it? He just wanted to talk about the usefulness of the feature.
18:06 celeron55 the problem should be fixed but i can't get motivated to do it
18:07 celeron55 marktraceur: he wasn't bringing anything new to the discussion, just repeating the same comment with zero new understanding
18:07 marktraceur celeron55: So guide him to a place where he can understand your concerns and he can help you understand his
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18:07 rubenwardy c55: its more of a souvenir, a memory of the old times to members. The goal of it is to sell stuff to members, and the advertising part of it being a bonus.
18:07 * marktraceur doesn't want this project to lose contributors
18:08 celeron55 and i know from before that he will be ok; he tends to get upset right that and cease thinking, and afterwards be the clever himself again 8)
18:08 celeron55 s/right/like/
18:09 marktraceur celeron55: That's good, but not a great reason to be pissy at him
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18:14 rubenwardy "need some coffee" coaster http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?number=769752087
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18:15 celeron55 btw, i think we might need somebody to have a "producer"-kind of responsibility for the upcoming mapgen stuff; there's multiple things hanging around and somebody would need to study them, figure out how to use them well together in a finite timeframe and make it happen
18:16 celeron55 i have usually done all of stuff like that but i don't really feel like it now
18:17 marktraceur celeron55: Define "finite timeframe"
18:17 celeron55 it's not nice towards contributors to not have someone like that for things they are contributing to, because it results in more or less unnecessary work
18:18 celeron55 marktraceur: it's largely up to the somebody, based on his findings and plans
18:18 marktraceur (I have to assume you mean it would be nice to have more people like that in general, but you'd take someone for this only)
18:19 marktraceur celeron55: Well, I'd be of little help myself, but I'll keep an eye out for someone.
18:19 marktraceur Probably this Saturday will be useful for that purpose
18:19 celeron55 there are other things too that would have use for a "producer", but none are as current as this one
18:19 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4437
18:21 marktraceur celeron55: I think there could be a much more informal setup for everything, but it would take more resources than we currently have
18:22 marktraceur celeron55: Probably most important would be more people who are interested and excited about core dev, which (again) Saturday should help
18:22 VanessaE entities can't use animated textures, can they?
18:24 celeron55 marktraceur: people are free to do things informally, but that hasn't resulted in any larger upstream development efforts in the past at least - that is why i think we need to try some structure
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18:24 PilzAdam I dont know if its the right time, but here is a patch that makes the current trees seedbased: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/tree/tree_random
18:25 jcontra Hi, PilzAdam-- are you involved with the development of MineTest?
18:25 marktraceur celeron55: Whatever effort you'd like to expend, I'll definitely help shape it any way it can be useful
18:25 PilzAdam jcontra, kinda
18:26 NakedFury dont be modest
18:26 jcontra :)
18:26 PilzAdam jcontra, why are you asking?
18:26 jcontra It looks like you're submitting patches, and that's awesome.
18:27 jcontra I'm working to put F/LOSS into an elementary school classroom, and we used MineTest to create a playground for the kids
18:27 celeron55 marktraceur: but maintaining structure takes a lot of effort too, unless people personally like the people they "work for", so it's tricky
18:27 jcontra we are making a documentary at this point, and I'm looking for permission to feature MineTest in the film
18:27 FreeFull celeron55: Right now the mapgen doesn't seem to generate anything above 50+ y, will the new one do that?
18:27 celeron55 marktraceur: and agree with them
18:27 FreeFull Or do you not know yourself?
18:28 PilzAdam jcontra, I dont see a reason why not. Also you dont need permission to do it
18:28 celeron55 FreeFull: preferably yes, but i don't think this "new mapgen" is anything that people think it is - it's mostly a prototype that doesn't really work as-is
18:28 marktraceur celeron55: Mehhh, I think a lot of that effect can be mitigated by having multiple people "above" new contributors
18:29 FreeFull celeron55: That's why I'm asking will, not does =P
18:29 FreeFull I loved the old (0.3.x) mapgen ):
18:30 Exio what "should be" the new in the new mapgen? biomes and the trees?
18:30 PilzAdam thexyz, I keep my flat mapgen branch up to date with the master branch, so it would be nice if you build it too when you build the master branch
18:30 jcontra PilzAdam: Since it is GPLv2?  What if I put the logo on a t-shirt and sold the t-shirts?  Wouldn't that require permission?
18:30 PilzAdam its LGPL
18:30 jcontra PilzAdam: Thanks for that correction :)
18:30 celeron55 the logo is CC BY SA afaik
18:31 thexyz PilzAdam: why don't you want to add config option for it and merge into master?
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18:31 FreeFull GPL/LGPL isn't a good license for images
18:31 celeron55 which probably means there should be a mention of the author on where the products are sold
18:31 celeron55 not on the products themselves i guess
18:31 jcontra I'll make sure to do that
18:32 jcontra of course-- I'm marketing this to the world.  I should include a link to you guys :)
18:32 celeron55 the authors aren't very clear, but i think the logo is by "erlehmann" (try to search git or something for real name)
18:32 jcontra ok
18:32 jcontra does MineTest take donations?
18:32 PilzAdam thexyz, I could do that, but there are some things that need to be discussed, sich as where to put the config since it should be per world
18:33 rubenwardy jcontra: yes
18:33 Exio then configs per world are needed! :P
18:33 PilzAdam jcontra, the main site is down currently, but it is here: http://www.minetest.net/donations.php
18:33 celeron55 jcontra: i take, altough the site is down currently... umm... well here's the backup of the old site: http://c55.me/minetest/oldsite/donate.php
18:33 thexyz PilzAdam: world.mt?
18:34 PilzAdam it can take a while until I get things ready
18:34 jcontra celeron55: Great-- I've added that to to my notes.  Would you be willing to PM me your email address so that I can confirm details without IRC?
18:35 jcontra not that I don't like IRC
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18:35 celeron55 jcontra: nick @ gmail.com works
18:35 jcontra jcontra: than you much :)
18:35 jcontra whoops
18:35 jcontra celeron55: thank you much :)
18:35 celeron55 if you're not ok with paypal, then you can ask for my european bank account number... i'll try to make sure at least a bit larger than tiny donations do something good for minetest
18:36 jcontra celeron55: I'll sell the t-shirts and submit a lump sum payment to your project :)
18:36 rubenwardy what is your paypal email, celeron55? I need it so I can give you the profits from the Merchandise
18:37 rubenwardy celeron55@gmail.com ?
18:37 celeron55 yep, same one
18:37 jcontra rubenwardy: you're creating merchandise?
18:39 celeron55 i have recently been getting very few donations (enough to cover hosting costs), probably because mine* games aren't that "in" these days as in the first years (when i got a few times that amount)
18:40 jcontra I'll try to get you a few more :)
18:40 celeron55 if i get enough money to hire people for some not-so-fun work, that will be interesting...
18:41 celeron55 altough i guess that won't happen
18:41 celeron55 prove me wrong :P
18:42 marktraceur celeron55: It would be cool to hire *you* to do....well, fun work or not-so-fun work, whatever you need to get done
18:42 celeron55 my problem is time
18:42 celeron55 i can't get it for money currently
18:43 celeron55 i will be able to after half a year
18:44 celeron55 unless you want to pribe a doctor to get me out from this community service (as in lieu of military) 8D
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18:44 celeron55 lol, that would be good use for money i guess
18:45 jcontra celeron55: If you're in Slovakia, I could help with that :D
18:45 * marktraceur thinks that would be misappropriation of charitable funds
18:45 jcontra celeron55: only kidding :)
18:46 KikaRz People, if mesecons mod were more smooth... like when piston pulls or pushes the block... i could make good maps
18:47 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75701823/need-some-coffee_tshirt
18:49 jcontra rubenwardy: Cafepress takes ~$18 per shirt, don't they?  I have a contact that can produce them at $10/unit
18:49 rubenwardy really?
18:49 jcontra rubenwardy: yes-- I'm working with apisource.com
18:50 jcontra rubenwardy: and I'll be building a storefront on www.libretees.com
18:50 jcontra rubenwardy: I'm catering specifically to F/LOSS projects :)
18:51 rubenwardy You may have the design for the t shirt, and put it on what ever market place you want.
18:51 rubenwardy If you get a better deal, tell me
18:52 rubenwardy do you like the design?
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18:52 rubenwardy It is meant for cups and coasters
18:52 rubenwardy mainly, but it still works on T Shirts
18:53 jcontra rubenwardy: I like it for cups/coasters.  For t-shirts, I'd do away with the coffee mug and leave the pickaxe, and make the MineTest text larger
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18:53 jcontra rubenwardy: Can I PM you my email address?
18:54 rubenwardy of course
18:55 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/+need_some_coffee_mug,769779642
18:56 KikaRz cool
18:56 KikaRz but that things are going to be to all world?
18:56 KikaRz i want for here. Portugal / Europe
18:57 rubenwardy I live in england
18:57 jcontra I'll verify that with the people that produce the shirts
18:57 rubenwardy I think they do world wide deliveries
18:58 KikaRz yay
18:58 KikaRz I want a coffee mug
18:58 KikaRz :D
18:58 jcontra rubenwardy: Send me an email, and put that design in SVG format if you can.  I'll see what I can do to reduce the unit cost for you.
18:58 KikaRz how much costs one Coffee Mug?
18:58 KikaRz or a normal mug?
18:58 KikaRz with Minetest logo ?
18:59 PilzAdam $15
18:59 * marktraceur considers this
18:59 KikaRz Convert that to EURO €
18:59 PilzAdam ~ 15 €
19:00 marktraceur I love that all the mugs in the pictures are blank
19:01 rubenwardy http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%2415+in+euros
19:01 thexyz i'd prefer some other design though
19:01 rubenwardy 11.22 euros
19:01 rubenwardy thexyz: ideas needed
19:02 thexyz rubenwardy: >Simple is better than complex.
19:04 rubenwardy ie...
19:04 * marktraceur <3 PEP 20
19:05 marktraceur thexyz: A friend once used PEP 20 to give me dating advice.
19:05 marktraceur He wasn't wrong.
19:06 iqualfragile wtf is a pep?
19:06 marktraceur iqualfragile: It's a Python thing
19:06 celeron55 i should sometime write an inverted pep20 and distribute it
19:06 marktraceur Python Enhancement Proposal
19:06 celeron55 just for the sake of it, and because python ideologists are boring 8)
19:07 marktraceur iqualfragile: The really common ones are PEP 20 (which is subtitled "The Zen of Python"), and PEP 8 which lays out style guidelines for all Python code
19:08 * celeron55 is chaotic neutral
19:09 iqualfragile and how the fuck can you use that to give dating advice?
19:09 celeron55 >Beautiful is better than ugly.
19:09 celeron55 it's quite obvious
19:09 celeron55 many of them
19:10 celeron55 now that i think of it, is this really a python thing? it seems like dating guidelines
19:11 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/+minetest_logo_mug,769792489]
19:11 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/+minetest_logo_mug,769792489
19:11 thexyz remove .net
19:11 marktraceur celeron55: I know right?
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19:13 rubenwardy should I remove .net, everybody?
19:13 jcontra I'm agree with the removal of .net
19:13 Muadtralk .net?
19:13 Muadtralk whats going on?
19:13 jcontra on the logo on the coffee mug
19:13 jcontra see cafepress link above
19:13 thexyz Muadtralk: read damn logs
19:13 celeron55 at least from the large text; one thing to try would be adding "minetest.net" with a very small font at the bottom right corner of the large text
19:14 ruskie yeah since there is minetest.net and .org and could really be other stuff as well
19:14 marktraceur I think there's a lot to be taken from "Flat is better than nested.", but I think it depends largely on how you read it
19:14 celeron55 (or something like http://www.minetest.net/ to go for the full url)
19:15 celeron55 marktraceur: it indeed is somewhat ambiguous
19:15 Muadtralk I read the logs yes the net should be removed
19:15 thexyz www =(
19:15 marktraceur Also wonderful: "Now is better than never.\nAlthough never is often better than *right* now."
19:16 Muadtralk thexyz whats wrong with www?
19:16 thexyz look, we live in 2013
19:16 Muadtralk and?
19:17 Muadtralk that means something?
19:17 thexyz there's no need in www
19:18 marktraceur http://no-www.org
19:18 rubenwardy http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75702611/minetest_tshirt
19:19 ruskie there is need for www if you direct to a diff ip
19:19 thexyz so, you want www.domain and domain point to different ips?
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19:20 marktraceur ruskie: Yes, but it would be silly for most websites to redirect to www, because the entire point of most websites is to *be on the web*
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19:20 ruskie thexyz, most of my domains do so
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19:21 ruskie www is the space reserved for websites
19:21 marktraceur www.marktraceur.info: 404'D
19:21 celeron55 there are mixed opinions about whether a subdomain should always be used
19:21 ruskie marktraceur, don't confuse domains and sites
19:21 marktraceur ruskie: Show me the spec that says that
19:21 marktraceur {{cn}} times fifty
19:22 celeron55 some browsers give you real headache if non-www doesn't resolve and then you fix your connection and try again, because they add www to the address when it doesn't resolve or connect without it
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19:22 rubenwardy any comments? http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75702611/minetest_tshirt
19:22 rubenwardy any more ideas?
19:23 celeron55 so a site should definitely support "www." even if it isn't used for anything but a redirect or something
19:23 ruskie celeron55, mostly because many users don't get the point that http:// is part of the URL not an optional thing
19:23 ruskie marktraceur, no policy or spec
19:23 ruskie marktraceur, but historicaly www was used for this
19:23 celeron55 ehm, who writes addresses to the address bar with http://?
19:23 ruskie I do
19:23 ruskie always
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19:23 celeron55 it's implicit in browsers, http is obviously what one wants
19:24 ruskie to bad that browsers don't understand that then
19:24 ruskie because to many support ftp and https and random: as well
19:24 celeron55 then you can explicitly write it
19:25 ruskie anyway it's personal preference mostly
19:25 ruskie so I don't give a damn in the end
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19:25 celeron55 i don't care either - but there shouldn't be a reason to prefer neither
19:25 marktraceur ruskie: History isn't always right
19:25 celeron55 (as far as browsers go)
19:26 marktraceur ruskie: Tell me why I should use www if I already specify that I want an HTTP response from the website with A) the protocol I'm using and B) the port I'm accessing?
19:26 ruskie marktraceur, a lot of things aren't always right... and a lot of things aren't always wrong... so doesn't really matter... as said.. it's a personal preference
19:26 ruskie marktraceur, well with my sites you would get a blank page on non www.
19:27 marktraceur ruskie: I'd be cool with that
19:27 * marktraceur wonders if there's a no-www plugin for firefox
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19:27 sema4 i'm going to make sure my www and non-www redirect to www2 now
19:27 ruskie as soon as it becomes a globaly accepted practice that will work
19:28 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63599
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19:28 marktraceur sema4: There's also http://www.www.extra-www.org
19:29 ruskie I prefer the http://a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.domain.tld/
19:29 sema4 well, that's just annoying :)
19:29 Hi-jera_WingFox lol
19:29 rubenwardy Mauvebic: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63599 updated
19:30 marktraceur Right, my task for the week: Write a no-www firefox addon
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19:30 marktraceur On a failed connection to example.com, it will try www.example.com and, if it's found, display a warning
19:30 Octupus Hi
19:31 marktraceur "WARNING: This website is run by neanderthals from 1993. Consider not signing up for their service, or maybe try suggesting that they use more modern domain practises."
19:31 marktraceur Then link to no-www.org
19:31 ruskie I was more thinknig "you are an idiot for caring about 4 characters"
19:32 babyface1031 hi Octupus
19:32 Octupus Hi face
19:32 Octupus havent been her for awhile
19:32 * VanessaE wanders back in
19:32 marktraceur ruskie: You can write that addon, I'll write this one, we'll see who gets around the world in 80 days
19:32 marktraceur GO
19:32 ruskie I don't care
19:32 ruskie that was the whole point
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19:33 * marktraceur laughs evilly from his hot air balloon
19:33 ruskie it's a personal decision by the people running sites and they are really the only ones that make any domain practices
19:33 * Exio throws an arrow at marktraceur's air ballon
19:33 sapier1 what problems do you have with www?
19:34 ruskie if 99% of the world uses www. and 1% screams at them not to use it... who cares... same the other way around
19:34 sapier1 www is just a domain? it's not even a protocol specifier
19:34 sapier1 ok exactly its a subdomain
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19:35 * ruskie goes do more productive things... like sleeping
19:36 babyface1031 yeah i was thinking i havent seen you in awhile Octupus
19:37 Octupus :P
19:38 VanessaE the problem with www is if you have a site that is entirely http-based, no FTP, no other subdomains, etc. then www is redundant and makes the webmaster look like an idiot :-)
19:38 celeron55 but then what if you add them
19:38 VanessaE *then* you add appropriate records and a www. subdomain.
19:38 celeron55 then all links point to non-www while the site has ftp, other subdomains and everything
19:38 sapier1 so you assume http == www?
19:38 celeron55 and the webmaster looks like an idiot again :-D
19:39 VanessaE so then default non-www -> www.whatever
19:39 rubenwardy VanessaE: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63590
19:39 thexyz VanessaE: what's the point in adding www subdomain?
19:39 celeron55 minetest uses a myriad of subdomains but the main site is still at minetest.net; it seems to work well
19:39 VanessaE thexyz: there isn't one usually :-)
19:40 thexyz >*then* you add appropriate records and a www. subdomain.
19:40 VanessaE rubenwardy: these are actual photos?
19:40 rubenwardy no
19:40 rubenwardy generated
19:40 VanessaE thexyz: because at that point, it barely starts to make sense.  But to have www. when you have no subdomains at all?  pointless.
19:40 thexyz i don't get it, in which way does it make sense?
19:41 VanessaE rubenwardy: Minetest Logo T-Shirt:  make the minetest logo itself quite large, and write "Minetest" under that
19:42 VanessaE thexyz: when you have a site that has no subdomains at all, having www.whatever.com is pointless.  When you *do* have subdomains, then you use www but only if it points to a specific machine or virtual host whose sole purpose is to handle web-facing stuff
19:42 VanessaE (as opposed to ftp or whatever else)
19:42 VanessaE this is how we did it when I worked for a web space provider about a hundred years ago.
19:42 thexyz why don't you want to point domain (instead of www.domain) to >a specific machine or virtual host whose sole purpose is to handle web-facing stuff
19:42 VanessaE (well, about 12 years ago I guess it was)
19:42 thexyz that doesn't stop you from having ftp.domain, etc..
19:43 VanessaE thexyz: you could do that too, I'm just saying that having www. at all is kinda pointless, it's just *less* pointless if used in that fashion.
19:43 thexyz hm.. rubenwardy, try something like this http://ompldr.org/vaDJwdg
19:43 VanessaE that's all.
19:43 rubenwardy celeron55: "A confirmation link has been sent to your email address.  Use the link in your email to confirm these account changes."
19:43 rubenwardy nothing at mine, so it appears that it has gone to yours
19:43 celeron55 uummm...?
19:43 rubenwardy thexyz: needs to be atleast 600x600
19:44 thexyz VanessaE: it's equally pointless
19:44 rubenwardy celeron55: paypal confirm
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19:44 * VanessaE shrugs
19:44 celeron55 rubenwardy: not likely and why would it tell you about my e-mail as "your email"
19:44 celeron55 rubenwardy: you've failed something 8)
19:44 VanessaE I only know how we did it back then, and it only made sense in the very narrow example I gave.
19:44 rubenwardy it must mean the paypal email
19:45 rubenwardy it thinks it is mine
19:45 VanessaE as I recall I advised my customers not to use www. if they didn't need it
19:45 celeron55 rubenwardy: in any case, i'm seeing nothing
19:46 VanessaE rubenwardy: you should make something based on my HDX pack also, e.g. a big foam pickaxe  ;-)
19:46 rubenwardy send me a 600 x 600 image for it, and i will make it
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19:47 thexyz VanessaE: i mean, i don't see *any* case in which www is needed
19:47 kaeza how about a MESE block keychain?
19:47 VanessaE rubenwardy: https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/master/Vanessa_512HD/default_tool_mesepick.png
19:47 VanessaE kaeza: +10000
19:48 rubenwardy good idea, kaeza
19:48 VanessaE rubenwardy: that's the highest rez one I have.
19:48 rubenwardy old or new mese block?
19:48 VanessaE NEW!
19:48 kaeza new
19:48 rubenwardy What do you want it to say?
19:48 rubenwardy (the pick axe)
19:48 VanessaE make a keychain with mese crystal also :-)
19:49 VanessaE rubenwardy: nothing, neat.
19:49 kaeza +10000
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19:52 rubenwardy VanessaE: http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75703352/minetest-hd-pick-axe_tshirt
19:53 rubenwardy or http://www.cafepress.com/+minetest_hd_pick_axe_mug,769808877
19:53 VanessaE rubenwardy: nonono not a t-shirt..  a big foam pickaxe in the same vein as the ones available for MC
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19:53 john_minetest rubenwardy: your idea is epic.
19:53 rubenwardy dont know how to do that
19:53 VanessaE oh.  damn
19:55 john_minetest finally someone sells this stuff with 100% going to minetest instead of "29% to me, 70% to a friend and the rest to minetest"
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19:55 kaeza lol_?
19:55 kaeza the address sounds familiar
19:56 john_minetest ping -f 82.168.76.25
19:56 john_minetest *sudo ping -f 82.168.76.25
19:56 john_minetest ;)
19:56 rubenwardy thexyz: http://www.cafepress.com/mf/75703460/minetest-logo-alt_tshirt
19:56 john_minetest then look who disconnects and you know if he was online two times.
19:57 Exio poor lol
19:58 kaeza was it Nikon?
19:58 kaeza don't think so
19:58 thexyz rubenwardy: that was a draft
19:58 kaeza I bet it was LM
19:58 rubenwardy ok
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20:05 rubenwardy gtg
20:07 rubenwardy bye all
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20:07 VanessaE bye
20:07 VanessaE dammit
20:14 VanessaE PilzAdam: the digging particles look nice, but they need more of an arc to their travel - they move too straight.
20:14 PilzAdam -> Jeija
20:14 VanessaE I know.
20:14 PilzAdam I just made the lighting
20:14 VanessaE but you merged it ;)
20:14 kaeza I have found a bug in the right clicking code
20:14 kaeza handling*
20:14 PilzAdam no, darkrose merged it
20:14 VanessaE she did?
20:14 VanessaE hrm, I thought I saw your name on it..
20:15 PilzAdam yea, Jeija is the author, I am the comitter, and darkrose merged it
20:15 VanessaE ah
20:15 VanessaE github doesn't tell me that
20:15 VanessaE at least in the commits page anyway
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20:17 PilzAdam fast-forward merges dont change the commit
20:18 VanessaE ah
20:18 VanessaE my git-fu needs further development :-)
20:18 kaeza PilzAdam, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/428
20:19 kaeza or anyone ^
20:19 * PilzAdam will investigate
20:19 kaeza does that need any more info?
20:20 PilzAdam nope
20:20 PilzAdam I can easily reproduce it
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20:23 kaeza I haven't tested if the same is true for LMB
20:25 PilzAdam kaeza, see GitHub
20:25 kaeza k
20:25 VanessaE ok, how do I get the player's current position?
20:26 VanessaE (in Lua that is)
20:26 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1178
20:26 thexyz suddenly wild http://dev.minetest.net/ link appears!
20:26 VanessaE ah
20:26 VanessaE thanks
20:27 PilzAdam thexyz, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/428
20:27 thexyz lol
20:28 marktraceur Question: Is there a bugfix release that fixes the issue where entities will attach to one another randomly?
20:29 thexyz yes
20:29 thexyz (probably)
20:29 marktraceur thexyz: Probably doesn't do me any good.
20:30 kaeza VanessaE, minetest.env:get_player_by_name("derp"):getpos();
20:30 kaeza or some such
20:30 thexyz PilzAdam: http://bpaste.net/show/70178/
20:31 PilzAdam already done: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/08bf59f6e9e85c6fe63ea1ced001f02efd7fc9f0
20:31 PilzAdam what do you think about the commit message? can we use this format?
20:31 thexyz see? http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-01-04#i_2779833
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20:32 thexyz i was right!
20:32 PilzAdam I know :-)
20:32 thexyz good enough
20:32 PilzAdam Ill push it
20:33 kaeza PilzAdam, does it work now?
20:34 PilzAdam Oh, GitHub closes issue when I reference it from a pull request
20:34 PilzAdam kaeza, yep
20:34 kaeza good
20:34 celeron55 i don't like tying commit messages to some arbitrary issue ticket system without any explanations other than the ID
20:35 celeron55 github will go over some day, and then nobody can know what the commits are about
20:35 PilzAdam I neither, but the description in this case is too long
20:36 celeron55 "Bugfix: else repeat_rightclick_timer = 0;"
20:36 celeron55 was it so hard?
20:36 celeron55 it is important to see what a commit is about from the single-line log of messages
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20:36 PilzAdam should I rewrite the history?
20:36 celeron55 no
20:37 celeron55 (or maybe if you insist to)
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20:38 PilzAdam Ill do it before someone pulls it
20:39 PilzAdam done
20:40 * VanessaE sighs
20:42 thexyz umm.. celeron55, how about writing small article regarding codestyle/commit message style, etc at dev.minetest.net?
20:43 VanessaE I need to find all blocks of a given type that are near each connected player.  Is there a graceful way to do this?
20:43 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1068
20:43 mauvebic ambience
20:43 VanessaE (kaeza's answer wasn't too helpful, and thexyz's even less so)
20:43 thexyz VanessaE: http://dev.minetest.net/EnvRef
20:44 kaeza VanessaE, nope
20:44 kaeza VanessaE, minetest.get_connected_players() and a for loop
20:44 VanessaE kaeza: ah, see I couldn't find that in the api
20:44 mauvebic ambience (code's already written)
20:47 PilzAdam celeron55, did you actually noticed this? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.net/pull/1
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20:55 * OldCoder must go to another city for a few hours
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20:59 Exio i already said that a long ago PilzAdam
20:59 kaeza I may be a bit paranoid, but this looks like a scam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4431
20:59 Exio and nobody cared about that :/
21:00 mauvebic how can a server be a scam?
21:00 Exio *012-12-19 21:16:13 <Exio> it is me or the 'link' to the minetest_game in github in the Downloads section links to the minetest repository?
21:01 Exio UTC-3
21:01 jojoa1997 VanessaE: you there?
21:01 kaeza well, you need to register an account in the website in order to apply for build privs
21:01 PilzAdam kaeza, i can connect normally to the server
21:02 VanessaE yeah
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21:02 jojoa1997 come to me on server NOW it is about the pipeworks mod
21:02 kaeza well, maybe "scam" isn't the correct word to describe what I feel
21:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: what about it?
21:03 jojoa1997 hard to explain you have to see it yourself but there is a bug that makes water stop flowing
21:03 VanessaE kinda busy right now..
21:04 PilzAdam kaeza, what do you feel?
21:04 kaeza It's just a bit annoying to give my e-mail address to a complete stranger
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21:05 PilzAdam If people want to, why not?
21:05 PilzAdam maybe its a completly save server
21:05 kaeza I'm a bit paranoid, that's all :P
21:06 PilzAdam and you already gave c55, also a complete stranger, your E-Mail :-p
21:06 jcontra I'm a good guy
21:06 kaeza ?
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21:06 Exio there is a difference, you don't need to download, or whatever
21:06 jcontra oh-- celeron55 gave me his :)
21:06 mauvebic and anyone with half a brain probably has more than one email for signing up to different things
21:06 john_minetest For this kind of stuff i use my spam e-mail adress...
21:07 PilzAdam jcontra, you can get c55's email everywhere
21:07 Exio i have a hotmail for spam, a gmail for real things
21:07 jcontra :) gotcha... nothing special then
21:07 VanessaE jojoa1997: server restarted.  Place a couple of torches and enjoy the result :-)
21:07 kaeza I use yahoo for spam
21:07 mauvebic 4 gmails lol
21:07 kaeza Y! are losers
21:08 john_minetest 1und1 for real stuff, 1und1 for spam
21:08 john_minetest lol
21:08 PilzAdam jcontra, you can get all devs email addresses via github
21:08 frogcrush Anypony use outlook.com?
21:08 PilzAdam yep
21:08 jojoa1997 VanessaE: what do you mean torches
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21:08 jojoa1997 what do they do
21:08 PilzAdam gtg now; bye
21:09 kaeza jcontra, also on minetest.net, c55.net, anotherrandomminetestrelatedsite.net, and so on
21:09 VanessaE torches, you know, those things that burn and give off light?
21:09 kaeza c55.me *
21:09 jojoa1997 yeah what is different
21:10 jojoa1997 VanessaE:did you fix the pipeworks
21:10 VanessaE I'm working on a better method for smoke in partciles mod.
21:10 VanessaE and no I didn't touch pipeworks.
21:10 jojoa1997 i will describe prob
21:10 VanessaE what's the default server step in singleplayer mode?
21:11 kaeza VanessaE, can't particles be implemented using some random meshes?
21:11 jojoa1997 when water goes to the outlet then the outlet turns and cuts water off
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21:11 kaeza I mean some randomly shaped meshes
21:12 jojoa1997 i think you need to get rid of my added code
21:12 jojoa1997 i will do pull request
21:12 mauvebic lol
21:12 mauvebic the outlet turns? not bad
21:12 jojoa1997 what so funny
21:13 mauvebic breaking code that works lol
21:13 mauvebic simple
21:13 mauvebic when you punch the outlet
21:13 mauvebic its replaced with its on version i think
21:13 kaeza mauvebic, the same happens with mesecons receivers (at least I've seen that happen on minetest.org:30000)
21:13 jojoa1997 mauvbic could you potter
21:13 sapier1 kaeza you can add any meshes still to get particles you'll need a huge amount of then I don't know if engine can do that
21:14 mauvebic in the associated add_node, next to name = 'outlet_on" there needs to be param2 = node.param2
21:14 jojoa1997 mauvbic so i just punch the outlet
21:14 mauvebic try this version of pipeworks and tell me if you have the same problem : http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2323
21:15 mauvebic install in a seperate game folder so you dont fuck up your worlds
21:15 jojoa1997 dude it takes forever for my pc to load MT
21:15 kaeza sapier1, just a few like 5 would be enuff to give a realistic feeling (depending on situation)
21:15 jojoa1997 let alon 2 clients
21:15 kaeza (when digging a node)
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21:16 mauvebic if your PC is slow what are you doing running things like pipeworks? lol
21:17 mauvebic in terms of ABM's it's a hat-trick
21:17 jojoa1997 my pc is fast but i have like 40 soomething mods and stuff for my homework
21:17 jojoa1997 Vanessae map not loading
21:17 sapier1 I think that'd be worth a try I recommend blender .. but it's not quite easy to learn
21:18 kaeza jojoa1997, create a separate "testing" game with only the needed mods
21:18 mauvebic well try it or dont try it lol i cant guess whats wrong with the other version
21:18 VanessaE jojoa1997: that's because I restarted the server again to test something
21:18 jojoa1997 thats the third time
21:18 jojoa1997 can i go on
21:19 VanessaE yeah go ahead
21:19 jojoa1997 funny how whenever i go on your server it always shutsdown as i get on
21:19 jojoa1997 !!CONSPIRACY!!
21:21 jojoa1997 VanessaE: did you ever add my pull request?
21:22 jojoa1997 also the map is still not loading
21:22 Zetetic !wik Hanlon's razor
21:23 Muadtralk no more bots
21:23 VanessaE jojoa1997: I didn't need to, I found another way to do it.  I'll work on the server later, I'm kinda busy,.
21:24 jojoa1997 ok
21:24 jojoa1997 goodbye everyone
21:25 john_minetest phew... I designed stuff for Zeg9's new game the whole day long.
21:25 john_minetest And when I finished one thing, the scripting language syntax was updated and I had to rewrite hughe parts. lol.
21:26 john_minetest *huge
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21:29 TForsman hello, got some issues to build latest git with linux, getting errors like:
21:29 TForsman minetest-master/src/util/serialize.h:32: error: 'u64' is not declared
21:38 sema4 sorry don't knpow
21:38 sema4 maybe need to ./configure ?
21:39 kaeza TForsman, can you pastebin more context?
21:39 kaeza sema4, cmake*
21:39 sema4 ah
21:39 Exio TForsman: i got that problem
21:39 TForsman Exio: solved it somehow?
21:41 Exio i had to declare it in my /usr/include/irrlicht/irrTypes.h
21:42 Exio typedef unsigned long long u64;
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21:45 BackupCoder hey
21:45 sema4 shouldn't it already be there  http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/irr_types_8h_source.html#l00082
21:46 sema4 maybe that is something that was added in 1.8 in Nov.
21:46 TForsman testing to update irrlicht
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21:46 TForsman had 1.8 from svn, earlier than nov though
21:46 Exio sema4: it was added, but at least my version doesn't have it
21:47 Exio sema4: and even, i think having a #ifndef *i don't know if it works* will be better than using the actual #if for the irrlicht versions
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21:49 mauvebic damn if the snow keeps melting there wont be any left - and its just the 14th lol
21:50 mauvebic im afraid to go out cuz large chunks of ice keep detaching from the roof and dropping on my stoop lol
21:50 sema4 i duno, i would be concerned that if your irrlicht header files are out of date but the mintest source is referencing something in them, then even if you get it to compule with your hand-edited verion, something is going to be amiss/broken :>
21:51 sokomine there's a mod that is intended to send a greeting to the player when the player logs in via minetest.register_on_joinplayer that does not seem to be able to deliver a message to the player with minetest.chat_send_player(player:get_player_name(), "welcome back")
21:52 sokomine the api documentation shows the same so it ought to work. otherwise my suspicion would be that the player isn't really "there" yet when the function is called
21:52 sapier1 sokomin single or multiplayer? those on_join/on_leave functions aren't quite tested
21:54 sokomine tested in multiplayer. the debug messages the mod produces are printed. seems they are printed *before* the server prints something about the player actual joining: first, the print-message from the mod, *then* ACTION[ServerThread]: Sokomine joins game. List of players: Sokomine
21:54 thexyz Exio: either update your irrlicht to 1.8 release or downgrade to 1.7, anyways, what's your distro?
21:54 sapier1 hmm maybe as workaround start a timer send message to player with some delay?
21:55 kaeza sokomine, use a minetest.after()callback
21:55 sokomine the solution might be to delay the delivery of the message. still - the documentation at http://dev.minetest.net/register_on_joinplayer gives sending a message to the player as the very exapmple for which the function is used...
21:56 sapier1 I'd asume someone tested this prior adding as example ;-)
21:58 Exio gentoo, i think the problem is the overlay i used for getting a newer irrlicht
21:58 kaeza sokomine, http://pastebin.com/xd4s31G6
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21:59 Exio i'll remove it, let me check
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22:01 thexyz 1.8 is in portage
22:01 Exio yes, recompiling it
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22:04 sokomine kaeza: yes, thank you :-) was testing it at the same time. though i used admin = {};    and admin.give_privs = function( ...)  instead of "local function". didn't know about local function yet
22:05 kaeza sokomine, np! just ask if you have any doubts. the wiki is still in the works.
22:05 * kaeza is a Lua guru
22:05 kaeza :P
22:09 sokomine ah! that is good. i know programming in general and even started with pascal...er...by now decades ago but i'm not very familiar with lua which does things diffrent sometimes
22:15 sokomine kaeza: would you like to update http://dev.minetest.net/register_on_joinplayer ? after all you wrote a quick solution
22:16 kaeza sure
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22:17 erlehmann whom of you is making thee t-shirts
22:17 mauvebic rubenwardy/c55
22:21 sokomine fine :-) thanks!
22:22 * VanessaE wonders if this is the real erlehmann...
22:22 erlehmann i tis. why?
22:22 VanessaE just curious.
22:26 kaeza sokomine, done
22:26 Muadtralk hello erlehmann
22:28 erlehmann hello
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22:41 sokomine the pun bot is really strange. i thought 0.4.3 might be considered the previous stable version? or 0.4.2 ? but the bot accepts neither
22:42 Menche it looking for 0.3 i think?
22:42 sapier1 it's asking for X.Y ;-)
22:42 sokomine that far back? hm, ok. too late now...it gave me another question (one that any human can answer)
22:42 sapier1 2 digit version number only
22:42 erlehmann tell me a server which i can see
22:43 sokomine aah, ok. that ought to be added to the question :-)
22:43 erlehmann i see someone made the rails better they now go diagonal
22:43 sokomine oh? diagonal rails sounds good. if you want the latest stuff go to vanessas creative server: vanessae.mine.bz 30000
22:43 erlehmann sokomine, i mean, up and down between levels
22:44 sokomine if you want a server with many players on and a lot of buildings go to redcrab.suret.net 30401    but that doesn't have carts
22:44 sokomine ah, ok
22:44 erlehmann where are the carts?
22:45 erlehmann when i made rails long time ago i made no carts
22:45 Muadtralk erlehmann when was the last time you were on minetest?
22:45 sokomine on vanessas server. you can even ride a cart. works relatively good :-)
22:45 Muadtralk just curious
22:45 erlehmann oh fine
22:45 erlehmann no idea.
22:45 Muadtralk sounds to me like very early 0.4
22:45 sema4 i noticed a strange thing with carts a few weeks back, they would disappear when out of site, but you could still hear them.
22:45 sema4 maybe fixed now, unsure.
22:45 Muadtralk thats a issue with the sound file
22:46 Muadtralk sounds like someone didn't make it mono
22:46 erlehmann has someone made something with gears? http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/icons/minetest/
22:46 sokomine the cart still goes off track sometimes (i.e. flies on even tough there are no rails). but when the server catches up the cart is placed back on rails
22:46 sema4 no, the cart was gone, you couldnt' see it
22:46 Menche sema4: that happened to me with boats too, i think its a thing with entities
22:46 Menche i believe they are hidden when you are far away and aren't re-shown properly
22:47 sema4 but if i removed carts mod, then restarted server, you could find the unknown nodes
22:47 sema4 yeah that's what it seemd like, the node still existed but was hidden, and sound continued.
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22:47 sokomine besides..the bot already said N.N but i didn't get the hint :-( maybe <number>.<number> would be more helpful. at least to me
22:47 sema4 anyway, seems like this is well known :>
22:48 Muadtralk I can fix that
22:48 erlehmann is there a debian packaging for 0.4.x ?
22:48 Muadtralk at least I used to be able to
22:48 Muadtralk give me the link to the repo
22:49 Menche i think there are PPAs for minetest, on the download page, which unfortunately is down atm
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22:51 Muadtralk search launchpad for them :)
22:52 sokomine best way under debian seems to compile yourshelf. that is, once you found all the packages it depends on...
22:52 Menche there's minetest packages in debian testing and sid, but they're still at 0.3.1
22:52 Muadtralk https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds
22:52 Muadtralk but this is ubuntu stuff.
22:53 Uberi hey sweet
22:53 Uberi an MT ppa
22:53 Menche Arch has a PKGBUILD that automatically downloads dependencies and compiles from git
22:53 Muadtralk comes in handy :P
22:54 Menche shouldn't the debian sid package be a bit more recent? sid is for testing right?
22:54 Exio i still think git is the best way
22:54 Exio Menche: not now
22:55 Exio wheezy is going to be released "soon" so sid is more like a debian testing
22:55 sokomine the ubuntu version didn't work for me on debian last i tried (few month ago)
22:55 Menche isn't only wheezy frozen? anyway, i suppose there's no chance of 0.4 getting into wheezy
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22:58 Muadtralk hmmmmm
22:58 Muadtralk we need someone to start making debian packages for minetest
22:58 Muadtralk :)
22:59 Muadtralk just so we can look more professional :)
23:00 Menche what about a package that installs a script to compile minetest from git?
23:00 Muadtralk that would work :)
23:00 sapier1 bad idea
23:00 Exio debian package == binary package
23:00 Exio if you want that, make a ebuild
23:01 sapier1 a package needs to be binary as exio said
23:01 Exio *with the exception of source packages, but normally you don't use them for anything*
23:02 Exio well, maybe a script for building it locally + making a .deb
23:02 Exio but the package by itself? nah
23:03 Menche probably right
23:03 Menche but there should be a script or something to make compiling easier for new users
23:03 Exio cmake .;make
23:03 Exio make install
23:04 Menche with features like selecting a branch or tag,  updating, selecting an installation dir, installing .desktop files
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23:04 sapier1 I assume something like "apt-get install build-essential cmake ... irrlicht-dev ... " would be necessary too
23:05 sapier1 install dir? linux??
23:05 Exio /usr or /usr/local i think
23:05 Menche or a local install, and make a matching minetest.desktop in ~/.local/share to lauch
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23:06 sapier1 or something else ... me for example doesn't want any install script to mesh around in my packaged distri folder
23:06 sapier1 s
23:07 sapier1 distribution updates often fail if you skrewed up your file structure by manually installing something into it
23:07 Menche isn't /usr/local the typical spot for locally compiled programs? or /opt/minetest
23:08 Exio i'm the only in linux who uses a "launch in place" minetest?
23:08 Menche or in the user's home dir so sudo/su isn't needed
23:08 sapier1 both are common depending what distribution you use
23:08 Exio am i *
23:08 Menche Exio: no, i use that to
23:08 Menche *too
23:08 sapier1 I do use launch in place too
23:08 Menche and i have a script in my $PATH so I can launch it with just "minetest"
23:08 sapier1 install to dir is *.deb only for me
23:09 Menche suppose i could use an alias instead
23:09 sapier1 why do you need to run it with "minetest"?
23:09 Menche lazy
23:10 sapier1 if you add a ".desktop" you can run it with full path
23:10 Menche not from the terminal
23:10 Exio minet<tab> :P
23:10 sapier1 why start a terminal if you're lazy ;-)
23:10 Menche Exio: doesn't work for .desktop
23:10 Exio i'm lazy and i'm using a terminal + weechat
23:11 sapier1 :-) most lazy ppl use windows ;-)
23:11 VanessaE is there a simple way to get the list of nodes (well, their positions) being operated on by an abm?
23:11 Exio Menche: yeah, that is why i said "minet<tab>", you have a script for that!
23:11 Menche saper1: i use i3 with dmenu, which doesn't use .desktops
23:12 Menche besides, I like to see terminal output when a mod crashes
23:12 sapier1 it'll have something similar to this
23:12 sapier1 at least i think so
23:12 Menche Exio: yes, I use that
23:12 Menche darn misspelled his name
23:12 sapier1 I'm not quite sure but I think minetest creates its debug log in cwd
23:13 Menche debug.txt? yes, but there's too much stuff in there. stdout is cleaner
23:14 sapier1 :-) yes but if you do a minetest everywhere you'll have a debug.txt in this cwd
23:15 sapier1 at least RUN_IN_PLACE version will behave that way
23:15 Menche actually, I have RUN_IN_PLACE off, but I run minetest from the build folder
23:15 kaeza suddently... unknown blocks https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_995420093.jpg
23:15 kaeza -t
23:16 sapier1 ok different setup
23:16 Menche it saves debug.txt to ~/.minetest i think
23:16 john_minetest Menche: lol, i used i3 and dmenu for a long time. now i have got dwm and dmenu.
23:16 sapier1 that looks like a tree
23:17 kaeza one of RBA's birches IIRC
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23:17 sapier1 maybe invalid parameters? or a memory corruption bug overwriting node type
23:18 kaeza nope, I removed the mod ^_^
23:18 sapier1 :-)
23:18 sapier1 ok ok that was too simple
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23:18 jojoa1997 Spoiler Alert: Shears are coming to Minetest
23:18 xrendan Is it possible to move a server from a windows computer to a linux computer?
23:18 kaeza xrendan, yes
23:19 Menche jojoa1997: hopefully a bit different from their MC counterparts?
23:19 kaeza you just move the world folder
23:19 sapier1 mobf already has scissors
23:19 jojoa1997 What do you mean
23:19 xrendan and the mod folder?
23:19 kaeza yup
23:19 jojoa1997 yeah but this is just for snappy stuff aka leaves
23:19 jojoa1997 papyrus maybe
23:19 xrendan Okay thanks :)
23:19 kaeza all the "data" files must be moved to linux
23:19 Menche minecraft also has shears, IMHO they're  a bit random
23:21 sapier1 if they get to default game mobf will use them I've them in there only because I need some way to get wool from sheep
23:21 Menche i think a lot of recent minecraft stuff is random, especially potions, the new bosses
23:21 NakedFury jojoa1997 what will your shears do? will you change leaves too?
23:21 jojoa1997 no
23:21 marktraceur jojoa1997: Why would you harvest papyrus with shears?
23:21 kaeza xrendan, np. just ask if you have doubts
23:21 jojoa1997 well make a new name for it
23:21 kaeza :)
23:22 jojoa1997 i dont know of what name it should be called
23:22 marktraceur jojoa1997: Do you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruning_shears ?
23:22 jojoa1997 yes
23:22 Menche i suppose shears is fine, maybe pruners?
23:22 jojoa1997 shears sound better
23:22 kaeza SALLY SHEARS anyone?
23:22 marktraceur Pruners would be less ambiguous, Secateurs would be more hilariously confusing
23:22 jojoa1997 pruners sounds like a mob
23:22 Menche ya pruners isn't as obvious
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23:23 jojoa1997 ok ill change it
23:23 Menche trimmers?
23:23 Menche clippers?
23:23 john_minetest "Rosenschere"
23:23 marktraceur Menche: Sounds like an electric razor or something
23:23 jojoa1997 i like trimmer
23:23 jojoa1997 what about everyone else
23:24 kaeza <BuzzLightyear> duplicated mods... duplicated mods everywhere...
23:24 john_minetest Rosenschere sounds cool :D
23:24 jojoa1997 gtg will post in forum
23:24 marktraceur Clippers....the NBA will come after you for trademark infringement :P
23:24 Menche marktraceur: lol. if changing player skins becomes possible someone must make a shaving / haircut mod
23:25 Uberi :O
23:25 kaeza Menche, add it to the upcoming GTA:MT when mauvebic adds cars lol
23:25 john_minetest Rosenschere, Snoeischaar, Podadera or Cesoia (giardinaggio) are other names.
23:25 kaeza also: tatoos :)
23:26 john_minetest kaeza: You will need weapons. And cars MUST explode. And you need a mobile phone with cheats.
23:26 john_minetest Lol, just imagine taking out an 8-bit-phone and entering cheats for GTA:MT.
23:27 john_minetest gtg, bye
23:27 Exio well, having a car, weapons, etc will be useless if you are alone in the world :3
23:28 sokomine john_minetest: +1 (at least i understand that word. i'm not sure about all the synonyms of that thing in english :-))
23:28 marktraceur Exio: We'll send really unskilled law enforcement after you if you grief :P
23:28 Menche police mobs that chase players who have a weapon wielded?
23:29 kaeza lol marktraceur. also make them so by entering house they leave you alone
23:30 sokomine well...if the police mobs could chase griefers away?
23:31 sokomine but since the very game seems to be kind of about car-griefing it maybe won't make sense :_(
23:38 mauvebic mother in law just called - and on a totally unrelated matter, a wild six pack appeared! lol
23:39 mauvebic im thinking of adding hot dog trees to plantlib
23:40 NakedFury yummy
23:40 mauvebic http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/01/14/2212242/swedish-school-makes-minecraft-lessons-compulsory?utm_source=slashdot&amp;utm_medium=twitter
23:40 Exio my bot posted it in my channel
23:41 Exio wth?
23:41 NakedFury god damn I wish I was a swedish school kid
23:41 Menche wow
23:41 mauvebic considering minetest is free software
23:42 mauvebic and our mods totally kick their mods' asses
23:42 Menche im getting ads for minetest themed coffee mugs
23:42 Menche after visiting that site once
23:42 mauvebic push it on the schools as a learning instrument lol
23:42 NakedFury mauvebic they still have a bunch more kick ass mods than us
23:42 Menche but minecraft mods are harder to install
23:42 erlehmann Menche gibe coffee mug thingy?
23:42 mauvebic well they prolly dont make 5 or 6 versions of the same mod lol
23:42 mauvebic but still
23:43 Menche you have to put the files inside the jar archive
23:43 NakedFury for now menche but they still have a BUNCH of super cool mods
23:43 Menche apparently a modding api was on the way
23:43 NakedFury and you never play alone, even in single player[mobs]
23:43 NakedFury it is being built
23:44 NakedFury with hammers and nails
23:44 Menche minetest beat them by a long shot :)
23:44 mauvebic well we can get there if we keep rewriting better and better versions
23:44 Menche i think jungles were added to minetest before they were added to minecraft, could mojang have gotten "inspiration" from somewhere?
23:45 mauvebic imagine though, if they wanted to teach programming, the minetest would actually be a better place to start
23:46 mauvebic who cares where he's getting his ideas from? its not like we havent cloned all their best mods lol
23:46 Menche and the redstone activated lamp was added to mc after mesecon activated lightstone
23:46 Exio i think minetest will "compete" with minecraft with biomes and more survival stuff by default
23:46 erlehmann ideas are cheap
23:46 erlehmann execution matters
23:46 Exio at least some farming stuff in default
23:46 xrendan How do I compile it on linux when I try to follow this guide http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1082 it can't find a lot of the packages
23:46 Menche xrendan: what linux do you have?
23:46 Exio farming mods already exists, there should be one by default
23:47 NakedFury we should do a Unified Expansion to minetest. make a bunch of mods with the word unified+modname
23:47 mauvebic lol
23:47 xrendan Oh Im on ubuntu server 11.04
23:47 Uberi I just wanna see unifiedinventory in default
23:48 NakedFury 2013 the year of the unified expansion
23:48 NakedFury then 2014 the year of the more expansion
23:48 Menche which packages can't it find?
23:48 mauvebic lol
23:49 NakedFury what other words we can use later?
23:49 frogcrush Is there a /giveme for a bucket of water?
23:49 NakedFury try /giveme default:bucket_water or water_bucket
23:50 Uberi it's bucket:bucket_water
23:50 xrendan build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev E: Package 'libpng12-dev' has no installation candidate libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev
23:50 Uberi maybe buckets
23:50 Menche or default:water_source
23:50 Uberi yeah if you don't want the bucket
23:50 frogcrush Thank you soooo much, Uberi!
23:50 kaeza or default:cake; I love cake
23:51 Menche xrendan: try searching for libpng?
23:51 mauvebic if you want a leg up on MC youd be better off offering different types of worlds
23:51 kaeza init: PING
23:51 init PONG
23:52 Uberi no problem :)
23:52 xrendan It couldn't find it
23:53 init the buckets are in other mod
23:53 kaeza YAY more unknown blocks! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_997707793.jpg
23:54 Menche xrendan: sorry i don't know that much about ubuntu, I'm on arch now. I do see libpng12-dev on packages.ubuntu.com so i think it *should* be there
23:54 kaeza they look creeeeeepy
23:54 Menche does it list anything besides "no installation candidate"?
23:55 xrendan Menche: thanks I'm thinking that it doesn't have the repositories installed so I'll go see if that works
23:58 Menche xrendan: doesn't it say "no installation candidate" when it's a virtual package?
23:58 Menche My debian server has a different message when it can't find something
23:59 xrendan Menche: I'm not sure I haven't used linux in a while I'm a bit rusty
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23:59 qata hi
23:59 qata wtf is this
23:59 Uberi hi

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