Time  Nick           Message
15:58 RagnarLaud     hi
15:58 RagnarLaud     PilzAdam i need help in compiling
15:58 RagnarLaud     let me copy/paste the error...
15:59 RagnarLaud     Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
15:59 RagnarLaud     Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
15:59 RagnarLaud     what to do?
15:59 thexyz         sudo
15:59 RagnarLaud     what?
15:59 thexyz         sudo
15:59 RagnarLaud     just type in sudo?
15:59 RagnarLaud     it gives me a list of commands
16:00 RagnarLaud     maybe sudo apt-get
16:00 RagnarLaud     OH
16:00 RagnarLaud     wait what?
16:00 RagnarLaud     OH
16:00 RagnarLaud     i get it
16:01 RagnarLaud     the file needs to be in sudo/root?
16:01 RagnarLaud     or what?!
16:01 VanessaE       RagnarLaud: sudo apt-get install <whatever you were trying to install before>
16:01 thexyz         jin_xi: well, I'm sorry, I was updating mysql server and then bot crashed because of its absence
16:01 RagnarLaud     im trying to compile minetest
16:01 RagnarLaud     -.-
16:01 VanessaE       e.g. the list of dependencies in the readme.
16:01 RagnarLaud     oh :D
16:02 RagnarLaud     vanessa...
16:02 RagnarLaud     can you help me compile?
16:02 VanessaE       no.
16:03 RagnarLaud     its my first time
16:03 RagnarLaud     why?
16:03 RagnarLaud     arent we friends?
16:03 VanessaE       because the README is very clear.
16:03 RagnarLaud     thexyz
16:03 VanessaE       and you need to learn how to do it
16:03 RagnarLaud     I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO
16:03 thexyz         what?
16:03 RagnarLaud     can you help me compile?
16:03 thexyz         no
16:03 RagnarLaud     its my 1st time
16:03 RagnarLaud     cmon
16:03 PilzAdam       RagnarLaud, rtfm
16:03 RagnarLaud     -.-
16:03 thexyz         VanessaE: /kick RagnarLaud
16:03 RagnarLaud     rtfm?
16:03 RagnarLaud     why?
16:03 RagnarLaud     NO!
16:03 thexyz         thx
16:03 VanessaE       np
16:04 RagnarLaud     ok, ill behave
16:04 RagnarLaud     like i didnt before... -.-
16:04 thexyz         you don't have to behave, just learn to read
16:04 VanessaE       RagnarLaud: star there and follow the directions:  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L83
16:04 VanessaE       start*
16:04 RagnarLaud     youll help me?
16:04 RagnarLaud     :)
16:04 VanessaE       that's as much help as I can give.
16:04 thexyz         no way
16:06 RagnarLaud     ok...
16:06 VanessaE       RagnarLaud: compiling is easy.  go read the instructions I pointed to, use google et.al to look up whatever you don't understand.
16:06 RagnarLaud     oh
16:06 RagnarLaud     i had to put a sudo before the huge line?
16:06 VanessaE       PilzAdam: any interest in those couple of textures I pull-requested btw?
16:06 VanessaE       RagnarLaud: no, you have to run it before you even turn on your computer.  duh.
16:06 PilzAdam       I generally dislike the idea of using the GitHub issue tracker for texture suggestions
16:06 RagnarLaud     how is that possible?
16:07 VanessaE       PilzAdam: well, pull requests are still needed to get them into minetest_game anyway :-)
16:07 RagnarLaud     what, do i type it in an actual notepad?
16:07 VanessaE       RagnarLaud: fix your sarcasm detector.
16:07 VanessaE       *facepalm*
16:07 RagnarLaud     so i was right?
16:07 PilzAdam       yep
16:07 RagnarLaud     yay
16:07 RagnarLaud     :)
16:08 RagnarLaud     cd celeron55-minetest-286edd4
16:08 RagnarLaud     replace celeron55-minetest-286edd4 ?
16:08 RagnarLaud     and put minetest-flat
16:08 PilzAdam       cd celeron*
16:08 RagnarLaud     idk, that was how it was written in the README.txt :/
16:09 PilzAdam       you have to change the directory to the one you have just downloaded
16:09 VanessaE       PilzAdam: someone should indeed update the readme, that command should be shortened and combined with the cd games/ command...
16:09 PilzAdam       but the name of the directory is not the same every time
16:09 VanessaE       e.g.  cd celeron55-minetest*/games
16:09 RagnarLaud     if minetest-flat is on my desktop, then what?
16:10 PilzAdam       RagnarLaud, type cd and the drag the desctop folder into the terminal
16:10 PilzAdam       *drag and drop
16:10 RagnarLaud     i can do that?
16:10 VanessaE       (of course that won't work if the user has more than one minetest copy on hand..)
16:12 RagnarLaud     what do i do with the mv?
16:12 RagnarLaud     mv "what" "what"
16:12 RagnarLaud     im cd'd in .../games
16:12 PilzAdam       type "man mv" and read
16:13 RagnarLaud     simplify?
16:13 RagnarLaud     cmon, i read the minetest API
16:13 RagnarLaud     now this?
16:13 RagnarLaud     jesuz
16:14 PilzAdam       well, you just have to read the first line of the manpage
16:14 RagnarLaud     ok
16:14 PilzAdam       "move (rename) files"
16:14 RagnarLaud     what?
16:15 * RagnarLaud   's head hurts.
16:15 PilzAdam       that was a quote from the manpage
16:15 RagnarLaud     ok...
16:15 RagnarLaud     i see that
16:15 PilzAdam       mv celeron55-minetest_game-* minetest_game means you rename the folder
16:15 RagnarLaud     oh
16:16 PilzAdam       (as you can read in the manpage)
16:16 RagnarLaud     btw, why is it called the manpage?
16:16 RagnarLaud     did the developer make a typo?
16:16 PilzAdam       umm... no?
16:16 RagnarLaud     wanted to make it mainpage, but forgot the "i"
16:16 RagnarLaud     :D
16:20 VanessaE       man -> manual
16:20 RagnarLaud     oh :D
16:21 RagnarLaud     KAEZA
16:21 RagnarLaud     da fuq?
16:21 RagnarLaud     kaeza
16:21 RagnarLaud     help me compile?
16:21 kaeza          compile what?
16:33 RagnarLaud     Zeg9
16:33 RagnarLaud     i need help :(
16:33 Zeg9           Oh, no, not him -_-
16:33 RagnarLaud     PilzAdam is bulling me :'o
16:33 * RagnarLaud   isn't loved by anybody
16:33 RagnarLaud     :'(
16:34 * RagnarLaud   doesn't have any friends, so he tries to make friends online, but fails.
16:34 * Zeg9         is listening to MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!"
16:34 * RagnarLaud   is listening to StopHouse - Rocketman ft. Yelawolf
16:35 RagnarLaud     WHAT DA...
16:35 RagnarLaud     harrison!
16:35 Zeg9           !g MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!"
16:35 Minetest-tan   Zeg9: No results found for 'MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!"'.
16:35 Zeg9           !g MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!"
16:35 Minetest-tan   Zeg9: No results found for 'MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!"'.
16:35 Zeg9           !g MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!
16:35 Minetest-tan   Zeg9: No results found for 'MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!'.
16:35 Zeg9           :(
16:35 RagnarLaud     @VanessaE
16:36 RagnarLaud     Zeg9 is abusing minetest-tan
16:36 Zeg9           ...
16:36 RagnarLaud     NakedFury
16:36 harrison       ?
16:36 NakedFury      hello
16:36 RagnarLaud     oh harrison, can you compile?
16:36 RagnarLaud     NakedFury, help me compile?
16:37 Zeg9           RagnarLaud, compile what?
16:37 NakedFury      cant because I dont know
16:37 RagnarLaud     Minetest-Flat
16:37 Zeg9           What's this?
16:37 RagnarLaud     PilzAdam made a new world gen, that makes the whole world flat
16:37 RagnarLaud     and i want it so i can make my town :D
16:38 RagnarLaud     Zeg9, help me?
16:38 Zeg9           Why does it need compile?
16:38 RagnarLaud     cause its de-compiled :/
16:38 Zeg9           ...
16:38 Zeg9           PM
16:38 RagnarLaud     yay
16:38 PilzAdam       lol
16:38 PilzAdam       de-compiled
16:39 RagnarLaud     what else?
16:39 RagnarLaud     if done = Compiled ; not = De-Compiled
16:39 Zeg9           ...
16:39 PilzAdam       you dont have to decompile minetest because you can get the sources for free
16:39 PilzAdam       decompile = get the source from the binary
16:41 celeron55      (which can't be done reasonably for C++)
16:42 PilzAdam       celeron55, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4243 will you participate?
16:42 moltenbot      PilzAdam's link: Documentation sprint, 2013-01-19, in #minetest-doc (Page 1) - Unofficial engine development - Minetest Forums
16:43 celeron55      i will at least consult people if they have good questions
16:43 RagnarLaud     PilzAdam
16:44 RagnarLaud     why didnt you say that compiling was that easy?!
16:44 Zeg9           You were supposed to google I think
16:44 rubenwardy     hi all
16:44 RagnarLaud     ruben1
16:44 RagnarLaud     help me!
16:47 kaeza          leo_rockway: may I PM?
16:47 kaeza          (if you are here that is)
16:47 rubenwardy     RagnarLaud: mod or website?
16:48 rubenwardy     nm
16:50 RagnarLaud     hi
16:50 RagnarLaud     im back
16:50 markveidemanis Hi!
16:50 RagnarLaud     hi!
16:50 markveidemanis Is there a simple way to make mods?
16:51 thexyz         yes!
16:51 markveidemanis Like: choose functions and it does the code
16:51 thexyz         you open vim and you make mods
16:51 thexyz         that simple
16:51 markveidemanis Vim?
16:51 thexyz         yes, vim
16:51 markveidemanis Whats that?
16:51 markveidemanis Google...
16:51 thexyz         !g vim
16:51 Minetest-tan   thexyz: http://www.vim.org/
16:52 markveidemanis I was just there...
16:52 markveidemanis so thats the right site.
16:53 markveidemanis sudo...
16:53 markveidemanis sudo apt-get install vim
16:53 markveidemanis Works
16:53 markveidemanis Zzzzz
16:54 markveidemanis Bored face?
16:54 Zeg9           markveidemanis: irc isn't bash
16:54 markveidemanis :-(
16:54 kaeza          vim? lol
16:54 markveidemanis *Ahem
16:54 markveidemanis Bash?
16:54 markveidemanis I know...
16:55 markveidemanis 20s left...
16:55 markveidemanis 52s left
16:55 markveidemanis now its 8...
16:55 markveidemanis why?
16:55 markveidemanis Why the inaccuracy
16:56 markveidemanis Its not going to get faster is it?
16:56 markveidemanis So...
16:56 markveidemanis Who is good at building IRL buildings in minetest
16:56 markveidemanis Looking for a REALLY GOOD architect
16:56 markveidemanis .
16:57 markveidemanis #mt-maps or #mt-servers?
16:58 markveidemanis Which is closest to srchitecture
16:58 markveidemanis A*
16:59 RagnarLaud     *Coming Soon* Log In to HVGaming
16:59 kaeza          this is now officialy being turned into a Yahoo chat room :P
16:59 Zeg9           markviedemanis, I know a friend which is good at that but he doesn't wanna play minetest, only minecraft
16:59 Zeg9           kaeza, you forgot *Coming Soon* lol
17:00 markveidemanis Who is it...i have minecraft!
17:00 markveidemanis is it john?
17:01 markveidemanis Can you join #mt-<servers,maps>
17:02 markveidemanis But dont click on the #---
17:02 markveidemanis WWell?
17:03 markveidemanis !!gg  wwwwww.ggooggllee.ccoomm
17:03 markveidemanis Nth to do
17:03 Zeg9           /poll ban markveidemanis
17:03 Zeg9           that would be good command ^_^
17:03 Zeg9           /poll mute
17:03 Zeg9           Better
17:04 markveidemanis IT Not Work!
17:04 markveidemanis Should be Vote
17:04 markveidemanis flagserv chan
17:04 Calinou        chanserv flag
17:05 leo_rockway    kaeza: I just saw your message. You may!
17:05 markveidemanis <I get one line to type!> :@~:@:~@: Who can come on #mt-maps to talk about architecture
17:05 kaeza          Zeg9, /vote yes
17:05 markveidemanis Whoops
17:05 markveidemanis Looks smaller in the box
17:06 markveidemanis \vote F*** NO!
17:06 markveidemanis == VOTE Unknown command
17:06 Zeg9           "F*** NO!" error parsing message; considering "yes"
17:07 kaeza          O_o
17:08 * Calinou      rolls eyes like a phoronix forums smiley
17:08 Calinou        "when will they improve the nouveau driver and quiet markveidemanis? :rolleyes:"
17:18 rubenwardy     wtf http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4416
17:18 moltenbot      rubenwardy's link: need help (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
17:18 rubenwardy     Magic Mushrooms: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3862
17:18 moltenbot      rubenwardy's link: [Mod] Giant Mushroom [12.12] [riesenpilz] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
17:19 rubenwardy     :D
17:19 rubenwardy     lol
17:20 rubenwardy     that guy even spelt his nickname wrong
17:20 rubenwardy     "chase programer"
17:20 rubenwardy     (double m)
17:22 * RagnarLaud   so cold, yet RagnarLaud still hot!
17:24 kaeza          rubenwardy, lol
17:24 rubenwardy     Is anyone else seeing a star before the title of minetest forums?
17:24 rubenwardy     (*)
17:24 kaeza          IIRC he's a 9yr old
17:24 RagnarLaud     hi NekoGloop
17:24 kaeza          rubenwardy, a star? O.o
17:24 RagnarLaud     nope, ruben
17:24 rubenwardy     assuming its a guy...
17:25 RagnarLaud     rubenwardy, CLEAN YO SCREEN, IT DIRTY!
17:25 rubenwardy     i must be seeing stars...
17:25 NekoGloop      Can someone please make a proper inventory BG image.
17:26 kaeza          NekoGloop, hi :3
17:26 kaeza          NekoGloop, when will I be able to see the table in action?
17:26 kaeza          :P
17:26 NekoGloop      When i finish it.
17:26 rubenwardy     http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/star_forum.png
17:26 rubenwardy     checked my mail
17:26 rubenwardy     i did
17:26 PilzAdam       NekoGloop, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=63221#p63221
17:26 moltenbot      PilzAdam's link: [Mod] Falling nodes [1] [falling_items] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
17:26 kaeza          ah ok
17:27 NekoGloop      No, i hadnt done that.
17:27 * marktraceur  waves
17:27 marktraceur    How's everyone this fine [insert time of day where you are here]
17:28 kaeza          good and you marktraceur ?
17:28 marktraceur    I'm well! What's the scuttlebutt 'round these parts?
17:29 kaeza          lolwut
17:30 marktraceur    What's the news?
17:32 kaeza          not much, a new totally flat world by PilzAdam, a few changes in IRC mod, the usual spamming from markv...
17:32 kaeza          :P
17:32 PilzAdam       super flat and super fast mapgen to be precise
17:33 PilzAdam       *a precise pangolin ;-)
17:33 kaeza          lol
17:34 marktraceur    Ah, but markv got muted, so that's good
17:35 NekoGloop      a... what?
17:37 NekoGloop      PilzAdam: where may we get this flat world?
17:37 PilzAdam       http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4412
17:37 moltenbot      PilzAdam's link: Super Flat Mapgen (Page 1) - Unofficial engine development - Minetest Forums
17:37 marktraceur    NekoGloop: "Precise Pangolin" is a codeword for an Ubuntu GNU/Linux release.
17:37 kaeza           12.04
17:37 PilzAdam       NekoGloop, the windows build is linked in the first post
17:38 NekoGloop      this should be as a special seed.
17:38 NekoGloop      like seed "0" or something
17:38 NekoGloop      ;-)
17:38 kaeza          even better: add a flat_mapgen config option ;)
17:38 NekoGloop      yup
17:39 NekoGloop      do eeeet.
17:39 PilzAdam       seed would be better
17:39 PilzAdam       it would be per world
17:39 kaeza          hmm true
17:40 NekoGloop      one seed for entirely flat; no trees or anything.
17:40 NekoGloop      one seed for flat + trees.
17:40 NekoGloop      does this branch ignore minetest.register_on_generated?
17:40 PilzAdam       nope
17:40 NekoGloop      so there's still ores?
17:40 PilzAdam       ores and junglegrass are generated
17:41 NekoGloop      got it.
17:41 PilzAdam       (as you can read in the first post)
17:41 NekoGloop      Go ahead and make this into a hardcoded seed.
17:41 NekoGloop      ;-)
17:42 marktraceur    But this isn't a seed
17:42 marktraceur    It's basically a game
17:42 NekoGloop      *facepalm*
17:42 NekoGloop      can you not understand english or something.
17:43 NekoGloop      OH WAIT.
17:43 PilzAdam       NekoGloop, please stay polite
17:43 marktraceur    NekoGloop: I can, actually. Do you know what "seed" means?
17:43 NekoGloop      I HAVE AN IDEA!
17:43 NekoGloop      PilzAdam: Use the "world options" button!
17:43 NekoGloop      It needs a use.
17:44 PilzAdam       if the mod selection branch gets merged it has a use
17:44 PilzAdam       but there could be selection box at worldgen GUI
17:44 PilzAdam       s/at/in the/
17:45 NekoGloop      whatever.
17:45 NekoGloop      all i know is that we need this.
17:45 marktraceur    NekoGloop: Seriously, I'm asking, do you understand what "seed" means in this context? It's kind of important.
17:46 NekoGloop      A number that is processed by the map generator to create the perlin regions and all that nice stuff.
17:46 NekoGloop      Now shut up.
17:46 marktraceur    thexyz: Bold move :)
17:46 kaeza          PilzAdam, does it generate water or only land?
17:47 PilzAdam       land only
17:47 marktraceur    NekoGloop: My point is that a seed necessarily means that the map will be random. Now, it can be random in different ways (e.g. map height doesn't get taken into effect), but that's on a per-game basis, not a per-seed one.
17:47 NekoGloop      ...
17:47 NekoGloop      >hard-coded seed
17:47 NekoGloop      as in, you set the seed to this and it skips all that.
17:48 marktraceur    NekoGloop: I'm saying that makes very little sense, since we already have a concept of a game, which changes the way mapgen works
17:48 dzho           a seed means it's pseudorandom
17:48 NekoGloop      fine
17:48 marktraceur    NekoGloop: Better to change the game if you want to change the rules of mapgen, rather than just the seed.
17:48 dzho           truly random has no seed
17:48 NekoGloop      dont listen to me.
17:48 marktraceur    NekoGloop: I *am* listening to you.
17:49 NekoGloop      after all, I'm not the one who's coding the game
17:49 NekoGloop      I dont matter.
17:49 marktraceur    NekoGloop: You do matter.
17:49 kaeza          dzho, there's no truly random PRNG
17:49 dzho           kaeza: well, then, that's the P in PRNG isn't it?
17:49 kaeza          in fact *nothing* is entirely random
17:50 kaeza          except LM :P
17:50 dzho           to infinite entropy and beyond!
17:50 NekoGloop      I'm gonna sit here letting a map generate then release it for mapmakers.
17:51 kaeza          J/K
17:51 PilzAdam       NekoGloop, will you add "Created by PilzAdam's flat mapgenerator"?
17:51 VanessaE       well, so much for 1024 posts. :-)
17:51 kaeza          o hai V
17:51 NekoGloop      well no shit sherlock.
17:51 NekoGloop      after all, I did none of the work
17:51 VanessaE       hey
17:52 kaeza          +0x400 :P
17:52 marktraceur    NekoGloop: FYI, even if some people around here don't appreciate you, I'm not so negative. I listen to people so long as they're being at least a little bit reasonable. Please don't overreact if I disagree with you, my intent is, 100% of the time, for you to further explain your opinion so I can understand it better.
17:53 NekoGloop      I'm not overreacting
17:54 NekoGloop      PilzAdam: could you make one that doesnt generate trees?
17:54 Muadtralk      oi anyone know some good high traffic servers that are decent?
17:54 Muadtralk      my list of servers is full of dead ones :)
17:54 NekoGloop      That's like asking if anyone can find a needle in a haystack.
17:54 Muadtralk      yep!
17:54 Muadtralk      anyone have a good one?
17:55 PilzAdam       NekoGloop, it would be possible
17:55 PilzAdam       you can simply change the mapgen aliases in minetest_game
17:55 Muadtralk      so is finding needles in haystacks
17:55 marktraceur    NekoGloop: When I disagree with you and you say "Never mind, woe is me, nobody likes me", that seems a bit much to me.
17:55 NekoGloop      I only state facts.
17:55 rubenwardy     its like finding hay in a hay stack
17:55 marktraceur    From Criminal Minds: "Actually, a needle would stand out in a haystack. What we're doing is more like trying to find a needle in a big pile of needles" :)
17:56 marktraceur    NekoGloop: I care about what you have to say, so your facts need revising :)
17:57 VanessaE       needle in a haystack?  easy.  really fucking big magnet :-)
17:57 marktraceur    Exactly.
17:57 Zetetic        Bone needle
17:57 kaeza          not if you're a mormon :P
17:57 Zetetic        Mormons are scared of magnets? Or use non-magnetic needles?
17:57 PilzAdam       VanessaE, also: fire
17:58 marktraceur    You could probably come up with an acid-like substance that corrodes hay but not bone, metal, etc.
17:58 VanessaE       that works too
17:58 rubenwardy     could be made of tin
17:58 marktraceur    PilzAdam: You might wind up burning the needle up, too
17:58 rubenwardy     or another non-iron based material
17:58 Zetetic        A wooden needle might be hardest
17:58 Zetetic        Or better yet, one made of some sort of grass
17:58 marktraceur    Ooh, that would be tough.
17:58 PilzAdam       marktraceur, not with fire:basic_flame because rl:needle has not flammable group ;-)
17:59 marktraceur    Zetetic: I can't imagine it would be a very useful needle, though. So I somehow doubt anyone would be looking for it.
17:59 Zetetic        marktraceur: Bamboo could make a usable needle
17:59 marktraceur    Good point.
18:00 marktraceur    But bamboo must be significantly different, in a chemical sense, than hay.
18:00 marktraceur    er, from*
18:00 Zetetic        I'm not sure how much is chemical and how much morphological though, given they are both grass
18:00 Zetetic        I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I don't know
18:01 VanessaE       fuck it.  easy solution:  burn it all to the ground with the strongest acid and hottest fire and go to the store to buy a new needle :-)
18:01 kaeza          lol
18:01 Zetetic        Ah, but the needle is a MacGuffin
18:01 Zetetic        Or however I should spell that
18:02 kaeza          hey hohoho
18:02 hohoho         lol hey kaeza
18:03 kaeza          I'm here too MWAHAHAHAHa
18:03 hohoho         I see
18:03 * hohoho       places kitten on NekoGloop's head
18:03 hohoho         sorry had to do it
18:04 hohoho         so how's everything everyone?
18:04 VanessaE       hi.
18:04 hohoho         hey VanessaE
18:07 * NekoGloop    purrs
18:10 kaeza          "kaeza  once roundhouse kicked someone so hard that his foot broke the speed of light, went back in time, and killed Amelia Earhart while she was flying over the Pacific Ocean."
18:10 kaeza          lol
18:11 NekoGloop      stop injecting your username into Chuck Norris jokes
18:11 kaeza          NekoGloop, that was moltenbot :)
18:11 NekoGloop      !joke
18:11 NekoGloop      oh, that actually does something
18:11 NekoGloop      "NekoGloop  knows everything there is to know - Except for the definition of mercy."
18:12 NekoGloop      If that aint wrong as hell idk what is.
18:13 kaeza          err...PHAIL?  "kaeza  can read from an input stream."
18:15 Infinity_69    hi!
18:15 kaeza          echo "$CHUCK_NORRIS_JOKE" | sed -e "s/Chuck Norris/$NICKNAME/g"
18:16 kaeza          hi Infinity_69
18:16 Infinity_69    ok, 1 down
18:16 Infinity_69    hi kaeza
18:16 Infinity_69    its me, Ragnar... o.|
18:16 Infinity_69    dont tell anyone! (0.|
18:17 NakedFury      http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/16du8c/unifying_70_servers_within_a_central_lobby_system/
18:17 moltenbot      NakedFury's link: Unifying 70 Servers within a Central Lobby System. Minecraft MMOs are now possible. (Imgur Album with Details) : Minecraft
18:17 kaeza          ok I won't tell anyone that you are Ragnar ok?
18:17 babyface1031   hi
18:17 Infinity_69    ok!
18:17 Infinity_69    oops, is this the main channel?
18:17 Infinity_69    FFFFUUUUU!!!!!
18:17 kaeza          hey babyface1031
18:17 thexyz         Infinity_69: your joke is bad
18:17 babyface1031   hi kaeza  and yes Infinity_69
18:17 thexyz         you should feel bad
18:18 Infinity_69    sorry thexyz
18:18 Infinity_69    :/
18:18 kaeza          <BuzzLightyear> +q's ... +q's everywhere
18:21 Calinou        kicks... kicks everywhere
18:24 rubenwardy     minetest extensions could learn from this: http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/?category=fun
18:24 moltenbot      rubenwardy's link:
18:24 kaeza          I made a simple launcher script for Minetest
18:24 NakedFury      rubenwardy how?
18:25 Zeg9           kaeza, do you mean a launcher that downloads the game?
18:25 rubenwardy     you know, http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/
18:25 kaeza          It maintains a server list in a file and you can enter the servers using aliases instead of typing the server IP every time
18:25 RagnarLaud     ruben1
18:25 RagnarLaud     help me!
18:25 RagnarLaud     give me the code again
18:25 RagnarLaud     the one that echo's the account name or something
18:26 NakedFury      you mean a better category system instead of always adding the word MOD for MOD RELEASES?
18:26 kaeza          Zeg9, there's no GUI yet. it's a CLI program
18:26 rubenwardy     $forum_user['username'];
18:26 kaeza          I plan to add a PyGtk gui later
18:26 rubenwardy     NakedFury: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/
18:26 kaeza          Zeg9, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mtlaunch.zip
18:27 RagnarLaud     ok, thanks
18:27 webdesigner97  hi :)
18:27 RagnarLaud     hi webdesigner
18:27 RagnarLaud     hey go there
18:27 kaeza          hey webdesigner97
18:27 RagnarLaud     http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/index_new.html
18:27 RagnarLaud     what do you think about the nav bar?
18:27 webdesigner97  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4417
18:27 moltenbot      webdesigner97's link: [Poll] Remote server administration with PHP (Page 1) - Minetest-related projects - Minetest Forums
18:28 kaeza          webdesigner97, +1
18:28 RagnarLaud     yeah :d
18:28 RagnarLaud     kaeza
18:28 webdesigner97  cool :)
18:28 RagnarLaud     what do you think about my nav bar?
18:28 RagnarLaud     thanks
18:28 rubenwardy     +1
18:28 rubenwardy     +1 for php
18:29 rubenwardy     tool
18:29 NakedFury      I like those categories rubenwardy.
18:29 kaeza          webdesigner97, I'm also doing something like that but via IRC
18:29 kaeza          well... not that advanced anyway :P
18:29 webdesigner97  ok, sounds cool :D
18:29 kaeza          it just allows to remotely grant privs for now
18:30 webdesigner97  but i think priv-administration could be hard, cause the file with the privs is hard to parse :D
18:30 kaeza          mine does so at runtime
18:30 Zeg9           webdesigner, do you mean the server accepts http requests ?
18:31 webdesigner97  i just have to parse the file, but i never did something like this....
18:31 Zeg9           or are you going to make a php script that actually connects to server?
18:32 webdesigner97  well, you have to be able to connect to your server with domain or IP. i never did something like this :/
18:33 Zeg9           Implementing the minetest protocol in php will be hard, but that would be great to have this
18:33 webdesigner97  yep....
18:33 webdesigner97  maybe it is possible to install mods from rubens modmanager?
18:33 celeron55      it would be great to make a new protocol on TCP
18:34 webdesigner97  oops mod-foum
18:34 celeron55      but nobody has time
18:34 webdesigner97  *forum
18:34 celeron55      or skills
18:34 webdesigner97  i never worked with protocols :/
18:34 marktraceur    Ain't nobody got time for that.
18:34 Zeg9           celeron55, I was thinking about that too, but it would take some time to be done
18:34 celeron55      (if, on the other hand, somebody has; do it)
18:36 thexyz         aww http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4415
18:36 moltenbot      thexyz's link: [??]MDK [MDK] (Page 1) - Discussion in other languages - Minetest Forums
18:36 thexyz         wtf?
18:36 webdesigner97  O.o
18:37 celeron55      oh japanese *throws through translator*
18:37 thexyz         lol, sure, japanese
18:37 thexyz         > A:Maybe、すぐに Minetest 取得
18:37 thexyz         etc, etc..
18:38 celeron55      i wonder what he's exactly talking about
18:38 thexyz         http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4414
18:38 moltenbot      thexyz's link: [Idea] MDK [MDK] (Page 1) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums
18:38 celeron55      minetest development kit? is he doing it or is he asking for it
18:39 PilzAdam       there is an english version of this topic too
18:41 thexyz         what was the point of posting google-translated version of this topic?
18:42 Zeg9           I'll be back later
18:43 Calinou        asking for it*
18:43 thexyz         hm.. it seems minetest has some japanese users though http://www47.atwiki.jp/vipdentg/pages/167.html
18:43 thexyz         despite having no unicode support
18:44 harrison       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbLyYl4YSRA&feature=youtu.be
18:44 moltenbot      harrison's link: Ready Or Not - YouTube
18:44 NekoGloop      most know how to read romanized japanese in addition to kanji characters.
18:45 kaeza          can somebody explain what does he mean by MDK?
18:45 thexyz         minetest development kit
18:45 kaeza          the google translation is too broken for my eyes :/
18:46 NekoGloop      or the other type of japanese annotation which i cannot remember the name of for the life of me.
18:46 VanessaE       shouldn't it have been Minetest SDK then?
18:46 webdesigner97  well, i think it's something you can use to create mods without any lua skills?
18:46 VanessaE       MDK for some reason still brings to mind "mandrake" (nevermind that it hasn't existed as such for years)
18:47 rubenwardy     (6:43:30 PM) thexyz: hm.. it seems minetest has some japanese users though http://www47.atwiki.jp/vipdentg/pages/167.html
18:48 rubenwardy     my website has picked up quite a lot of them
18:48 rubenwardy     3 a weel
18:48 rubenwardy     week
18:48 rubenwardy     (out of 300 that is)
18:48 rubenwardy     380
18:48 thexyz         that's not "a lot"
18:48 webdesigner97  (how many german visitors?) :D
18:49 rubenwardy     20 this week
18:50 rubenwardy     108 americans this week
18:50 webdesigner97  oh, ok :/
18:50 NakedFury      well 3 of zero is a lot
18:50 webdesigner97  thx
18:50 Infinity_69    hi
18:50 rubenwardy     it is a lot compaired to africa
18:50 Infinity_69    ruben1
18:50 Infinity_69    comment on my website
18:50 Infinity_69    http://hvgaming.bugs3.com
18:50 rubenwardy     12 visits from japan, actually
18:51 NakedFury      ragnar why the name change?
18:51 Infinity_69    cause im in a ghurry
18:51 Infinity_69    and i need to log in...
18:51 Infinity_69    -.-
18:51 Infinity_69    COMMENT :D
18:51 rubenwardy     ragnar, this goes in the <body> not the <head>
18:51 rubenwardy     <img src="http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/style/images/banner.png" width="100%" height="150">
18:51 rubenwardy     <head> is only for <titles> <style> <metadata>, nothing else
18:52 rubenwardy     no stuff that is visible on page
18:52 webdesigner97  i wondered about the same 5 min ago, ruben :D
18:52 Infinity_69    really?
18:52 Infinity_69    oh ok...
18:52 Infinity_69    Y U LOOKING @ MY SOURCE CODE?!
18:52 rubenwardy     because i can
18:52 PilzAdam       because everyone can
18:53 webdesigner97  :P
18:53 VanessaE       because that's how HTML is supposed to be done.
18:53 PilzAdam       and its not called source code
18:53 VanessaE       and it isn't "source code:
18:53 rubenwardy     (you also have no </body> and </html> end tags)
18:53 VanessaE       it's "markup".
18:53 Calinou        <rubenwardy> (you also have no </body> and </html> end tags)
18:53 Calinou        even IE accepts that
18:53 Calinou        we're in 2013...
18:53 VanessaE       Calinou: the w3c would clobber you for that assertion :-)
18:54 rubenwardy     ragnar: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fhvgaming.bugs3.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
18:54 FreeFull       Only because browsers accept something doesn't mean it's a good idea
18:54 FreeFull       That already got us into a mighty mess before
18:54 webdesigner97  and the <script> should be in <head>
18:54 Infinity_69    SO WHAT?!
18:54 Infinity_69    [20:53] <rubenwardy> (you also have no </body> and </html> end tags)
18:54 Infinity_69    SO WHAT*
18:54 Infinity_69    :d
18:54 rubenwardy     the <script> is added by the server
18:54 VanessaE       Infinity_69: run all of your HTML through this service before publishing, please.  http://validator.w3.org/
18:54 VanessaE       make your code standard-compliant.
18:55 Infinity_69    oh screw you... >:/
18:55 Infinity_69    xD
18:55 rubenwardy     celeron55! http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=minetest.net&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.3
18:55 kaeza          Infinity_69, if you want help, at least take note of the suggestions
18:55 Infinity_69    http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffacebook.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.3
18:55 Infinity_69    LOOK AT THIS
18:55 Infinity_69    Dont you DARE judge me -.-
18:55 rubenwardy     we are not judging you
18:56 VanessaE       Infinity_69: w3c is who makes the HTML standard.
18:56 VanessaE       if they say it's wrong, IT'S WRONG.
18:56 Infinity_69    FACEBOOK IS MORE WRONG!
18:56 webdesigner97  -.-
18:56 VanessaE       probablyu
18:56 Infinity_69    IT HAS 28 ERRORS
18:56 Infinity_69    :d
18:56 webdesigner97  you are not facebook
18:56 VanessaE       but that doesn't mean you have to be equally wrong.
18:56 Infinity_69    STILL
18:56 VanessaE       it means facebook needs to be more RIGHT.
18:57 Infinity_69    im 13, Zuckleberg is 20-30 something
18:57 Infinity_69    yeah
18:57 VanessaE       so?
18:57 VanessaE       I started coding when I was 12.
18:57 Infinity_69    zuckleberg is an idiot xD
18:57 Infinity_69    i started @ 8!
18:57 Infinity_69    html
18:57 Infinity_69    :D
18:57 kaeza          I started at 5
18:57 VanessaE       writing in HTML is not coding. :-)
18:57 Infinity_69    AS2/AS3 @ 10
18:57 Infinity_69    beat that!
18:58 rubenwardy     starting younger does not make you a better coder
18:58 kaeza          ActionScript? meh
18:58 webdesigner97  I started with PHP when i was 11
18:58 webdesigner97  oh, no sry, 12
18:58 rubenwardy     webdesigner97: me @ 11
18:58 VanessaE       Infinity_69: perhaps I should qualify that:  started at 12 and have been coding for 26 years since then.
18:58 Infinity_69    ok :d
18:59 kaeza          VanessaE said her age!!
18:59 Infinity_69    :d
18:59 Infinity_69    </publish>
18:59 Infinity_69    xD
18:59 webdesigner97  and I'm working with lua for, let's say 4 months now :D
18:59 VanessaE       when I started, HTML didn't exist yet.
18:59 webdesigner97  :O
18:59 webdesigner97  wow
18:59 VanessaE       (it came about some 4 years later)
18:59 * hohoho       sneaks closer to the conversing humans =(o_o)=
19:00 VanessaE       kaeza: yep.  I'm old. :-)
19:00 Infinity_69    LAWL
19:00 Infinity_69    VanessaE, how old?
19:00 VanessaE        38.
19:00 Infinity_69    o.o
19:00 Infinity_69    my dad is 39 :d
19:00 Infinity_69    wanna date him?
19:00 Infinity_69    :d
19:00 hohoho         I made my first webpage in 2001
19:00 thexyz         wtf
19:00 kaeza          O_o
19:01 VanessaE       no.  I'm married.
19:01 Infinity_69    oh...
19:01 Infinity_69    well he isnt
19:01 Infinity_69    xD
19:01 kaeza          and I'm 24 so no
19:01 Infinity_69    well im 13 :D
19:01 * hohoho       refuses to mention his age
19:01 webdesigner97  I'm 15 now
19:01 VanessaE       So, now that we've established that I'm not full of shit:  Go run your HTML through the validator, fix it, then publish, and let facebook et.al be damned.
19:01 * hohoho       notes kaeza knows my age
19:02 Infinity_69    how do i define a character encoding thing?
19:02 Infinity_69    <???>
19:02 VanessaE       look it up. :-)
19:02 * kaeza        has no memory of that
19:02 webdesigner97  :P
19:02 Infinity_69    i hate you... 0.0
19:02 kaeza          :P
19:02 webdesigner97  :(
19:02 Infinity_69    hey WD97!
19:02 * hohoho       looks at kaeza.. good
19:02 rubenwardy     I'm 15 now
19:02 Infinity_69    help me!
19:02 Infinity_69    ruben help me!
19:02 Infinity_69    how do i define a character encoding thing?
19:02 Infinity_69    UTF-8
19:03 Infinity_69    <???>
19:03 thexyz         <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
19:03 Infinity_69    thanks :D
19:03 thexyz         or configure your webserver
19:03 Infinity_69    2 Errors, 1 warning(s)
19:03 Infinity_69    :D
19:03 Infinity_69    FAST AS HELL
19:03 hohoho         print "Hello World"
19:03 * hohoho       don't listen to me
19:04 rubenwardy     what every you do, don't type "Google" into Google, you will break the internet!
19:04 webdesigner97  isn't a <meta> closed like <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />?
19:04 webdesigner97  just want to know :D
19:05 Infinity_69    how dafuq?
19:05 Infinity_69    why do i have 14 errors?
19:05 webdesigner97  <script> after </html>
19:05 webdesigner97  o.O
19:05 Infinity_69    1 ERROR >:D
19:06 Infinity_69    fuck it >:/
19:06 Minetest-tan   GIT: doserj (Jürgen Doser) commited to celeron55/minetest: fixes node timer bug (fixes #407). 076f13cc01 2013-01-11T09:59:27-08:00 http://git.io/I1BbnA
19:06 Infinity_69    cant fix them
19:06 Infinity_69    idk how...
19:06 Infinity_69    :/
19:06 webdesigner97  put your meta inside <head></head>
19:07 Infinity_69    ok :/
19:07 webdesigner97  and all <scripts>
19:07 webdesigner97  *<script>
19:07 Infinity_69    OH I GIVE UP >:/
19:08 webdesigner97  omg, are you crazy?!
19:08 Infinity_69    1 ERROR TO 13 ERRORS
19:08 Infinity_69    WTF
19:08 webdesigner97  <php require_once('/include/php/login.php') ?>
19:08 webdesigner97  in download
19:08 VanessaE       rubenwardy: Yo, dawg... I heard you like search engines, so I put a Yahoo into your Google so you can search while you search.
19:08 VanessaE       (ow.)
19:08 webdesigner97  *minetest
19:08 Infinity_69    xD
19:08 rubenwardy     Kaeza: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/help/tags.php
19:08 moltenbot      rubenwardy's link: Tags - Help - Minetest Extensions
19:08 Infinity_69    "They gave on a horse back to the ghetto...:
19:08 webdesigner97  so since when do we start a php script with <php ?!
19:09 kaeza          rubenwardy, extended tags?
19:09 VanessaE       also please do not use javascript, flash, java, or any other language if you don't truly need it.  Just fyi.
19:09 VanessaE       pet peeve ^^^^^^^
19:09 kaeza          rubenwardy, BTW one suggestion: use "tex" as abbrev for texture; "txt" is commonly used as abbrev of "text"
19:10 Zetetic        And you never need Flash
19:10 VanessaE       Zetetic: exactly.
19:10 VanessaE       flash is overrated, insecure, slow, and not available on all platforms in a reliable fashion
19:10 thexyz         Zetetic: no, you do
19:10 marktraceur    VanessaE: Well, that ruins my best app ever. I run all of the server requests through an XP machine running the webserver in a Flash applet, routed there by a Node server, and use GWT (Java) for the frontend code.
19:10 Zetetic        No, you don't :p
19:10 thexyz         how about streaming 4k video?
19:10 Infinity_69    somebody help me clear the errors :/
19:10 Zetetic        4k?
19:11 thexyz         https://plus.google.com/109378722004400250087/posts/ZKDtXSHCTFM
19:11 moltenbot      thexyz's link: Gerd Hilgemann - Google+ - i finshed a real 4k (3840x2160) streaming demo, made with...
19:11 * hohoho       includes a javascript laden page for VanessaEs enjoyment
19:11 Zetetic        <video>?
19:11 VanessaE       marktraceur: you make Tim Berners-Lee cry. :-)
19:11 thexyz         nope!
19:11 Infinity_69    OR ELSE ILL GIVE UP >:o
19:11 marktraceur    VanessaE: Indirectly, that's true
19:11 hohoho         I side with VanessaE when it comes to javascript and similar
19:11 Infinity_69    The link attribute on the body element is obsolete
19:11 Infinity_69    WTF
19:11 hohoho         K.I.S.S.
19:11 Infinity_69    Kick Indie's Shitty Shit
19:11 Infinity_69    ?
19:12 webdesigner97  you should just read html tutorials -.-
19:12 Infinity_69    NO
19:12 thexyz         almost
19:12 Infinity_69    Kick Indias Shitty Shit
19:12 Infinity_69    :D
19:12 webdesigner97  http://html.net
19:12 moltenbot      webdesigner97's link: Free tutorials on HTML, CSS and PHP - Build your own website - HTML.net
19:12 thexyz         keep it simple, stupid
19:12 Zetetic        I still don't see the appeal of PHP
19:12 rubenwardy     http://pastebin.com/0S2KgVWY
19:12 VanessaE       :)
19:12 moltenbot      rubenwardy's link: [HTML] Ragner Website - Pastebin.com
19:12 rubenwardy     see the css there
19:12 kaeza          ^_^
19:12 Infinity_69    oh... >:o
19:13 rubenwardy     a {  ...   }
19:13 kaeza          rubenwardy, external CSS plz :)
19:13 Infinity_69    so thats the game were gonna play, arent we? >:o
19:13 kaeza          woops
19:13 NakedFury      keep it civil, pg language
19:13 thexyz         php is evil, AVOID
19:13 kaeza          Infinity_69, ^^
19:13 rubenwardy     #leftMenu > details{      ???
19:13 rubenwardy     what is the >
19:13 Infinity_69    K.K.S.S
19:13 thexyz         rubenwardy: read css specs
19:13 Infinity_69    its the navBar
19:14 Zetetic        Should be using Lisp for HTML generation really
19:14 * Zetetic      wanders off
19:14 rubenwardy     i only ever use #leftMenu details{
19:14 kaeza          LISP???
19:14 Infinity_69    ?
19:14 Infinity_69    oh, and i didnt put those spaces...
19:14 VanessaE       you wanna see proper use of HTML, CSS, and Javascript for what they should be used for?  look at my website.  Yeah, it looks like a reject from 1995, but that doesn't mean the code isn't any good.  My web design skills just suck.
19:14 Infinity_69    they come with the net2ftp
19:14 thexyz         rubenwardy: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html section 5.6
19:14 moltenbot      thexyz's link: Selectors
19:14 thexyz         lisp!
19:15 rubenwardy     > only works for first child, then?
19:16 Infinity_69    how do i define alink, vlink & link in CSS?
19:16 webdesigner97  a:hover
19:16 webdesigner97  a:visited
19:16 Infinity_69    ???
19:16 webdesigner97  a:link
19:16 Infinity_69    oh
19:16 marktraceur    a:active
19:16 Infinity_69    thanks
19:16 webdesigner97  and active, yep. thx
19:16 rubenwardy     do you want them all to be the same color?
19:16 marktraceur    Or maybe it's click?
19:16 webdesigner97  ok, gtg now. bye :)
19:16 Infinity_69    Stray end tag html.
19:17 Infinity_69    what?
19:17 kaeza          bye
19:17 rubenwardy     if so then use
19:17 rubenwardy     a {
19:17 rubenwardy     color: #FFFFFF;
19:17 rubenwardy     }
19:17 webdesigner97  no it's a:active
19:17 hohoho         vanessae.. site link?
19:18 VanessaE       http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/index-van.html
19:18 VanessaE       (I still need to weed out the links for the dead storefront)
19:18 Infinity_69    hey!
19:18 hohoho         ..Yeah, it looks like a reject from 1995...
19:19 Infinity_69    Stray end tag html.
19:19 Infinity_69    what does it mean?
19:19 VanessaE       hohoho: I warned you. :-)
19:19 hohoho         looks good to me vanessae
19:19 hohoho         I like "simple"
19:19 hohoho         I kinda miss the old style sites
19:19 hohoho         lol
19:19 Infinity_69    ruben
19:19 Infinity_69    Stray end tag html.
19:19 Infinity_69    what?
19:19 rubenwardy     urgh...  times new roman
19:19 Infinity_69    ???
19:20 rubenwardy     Infinity_69: it is because serversfree adds a script to the bottom the page
19:20 rubenwardy     add
19:20 VanessaE       rubenwardy: actually I believe the font face is not set.
19:20 Infinity_69    oh
19:20 VanessaE       so whatever your browser uses by default/
19:20 Infinity_69    so i cant help it?
19:20 rubenwardy     <?php
19:20 rubenwardy     die("");
19:20 rubenwardy     ?>
19:20 rubenwardy     to the bottom of the page
19:21 rubenwardy     and php or html below die(""); will not be run
19:33 mauvebic       tax dollars at work: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fed-agency-retracts-reprimand-flatulent-worker lol
19:33 moltenbot      mauvebic's link: Fed agency retracts reprimand to flatulent worker
19:33 hohoho         lol
19:33 rubenwardy     I hate it when mod makers do not use github or similar sites
19:34 hohoho         why not rubenwardy?
19:34 mauvebic       when they do a version in plain french or english ill use it :p
19:34 hohoho         I meant why do you hate it when a mod developer doesn't use a site like github?
19:35 * hohoho       doesn't use github for his mods and has no current reason to
19:35 * marktraceur  uses gitorious, presumably that counts as "similar sites"
19:35 Calinou        github ftw (minus the proprietary side)
19:35 * kaeza        likes cake
19:35 hohoho         gitorious sounds dirty
19:35 kaeza          </random>
19:37 hohoho         I presume github like sites may be useful if a mod is developed by multiple users
19:37 hohoho         otherwise seems overkill to me
19:38 mauvebic       people tend to contribute more for the engine and fork for mods
19:38 marktraceur    hohoho: It's also useful to provide history and nice-ish documentation
19:39 mauvebic       well even minetest has a readme file like any other archive
19:39 hohoho         marktraceur I thought that's what README and VERSION files were for
19:39 hohoho         lol
19:39 Calinou        hohoho: that keeps history of the mod, and wiki, and issue tracker
19:39 marktraceur    hohoho: Not to mention the ability to work on multiple things at once without too much disk space
19:39 Calinou        and easier updates (useful for server owners)
19:40 Infinity_69    Calinou, http://hvgaming.bugs3.com
19:40 Infinity_69    what do you think?
19:40 thexyz         buy me new eyes
19:40 mauvebic       might be simpler if we didn't have matching mod threads with simultaneous bug reports coming from there lol
19:40 mauvebic       and maintaining the habit of updating both at the same time lol
19:41 sfan5          Calinou: what did you mean with "Spotted" yesterday?
19:41 thexyz         Infinity_69: your menu is not semantic enough
19:42 rubenwardy     (7:37:15 PM) hohoho: I presume github like sites may be useful if a mod is developed by multiple users
19:42 rubenwardy     download is much more efficant
19:42 Infinity_69    semathic?
19:42 rubenwardy     efficent
19:42 thexyz         menus are usually made with <ul> <li> tags
19:42 Infinity_69    so?!
19:42 Infinity_69    this isnt
19:42 Infinity_69    ANd
19:42 Infinity_69    i learned this from Adam Khoury
19:42 Infinity_69    you are NOT better than him </brotha>
19:42 Calinou        sfan5: on minecraft wiki
19:43 sfan5          what did you spot?
19:43 Infinity_69    7 Errors, 4 warning(s)
19:43 Infinity_69    ruben!
19:43 Calinou        sfan5: you
19:43 Infinity_69    EARLIER THERE WERE 4 ERRORS!
19:43 rubenwardy     it is better
19:43 Calinou        you made an activator rail GIF
19:43 Calinou        validator is so 2010
19:43 Calinou        real men use real browsers
19:43 Calinou        real_browsers = "chromium",
19:43 thexyz         real men use XHTML
19:43 sfan5          Calinou: ik I'm relatively active on mcwiki
19:43 Infinity_69    i use Chromium!
19:44 Infinity_69    :')
19:44 Infinity_69    He's Dead, Jim!
19:44 sfan5          Calinou: you can also find sfan5 on steam
19:44 thexyz         like irc.minetest.ru does
19:44 Calinou        XHTML is stricter for no reason, and it's dead now
19:44 sfan5          thexyz: \o/
19:44 Calinou        HTML5 killed it
19:44 Infinity_69    :D
19:45 Infinity_69    WAIT NO
19:45 Infinity_69    MY WEBSITE USES HTML5 AND IT DOESNT KILL IT
19:45 Infinity_69    >:o
19:45 rubenwardy     HTML5 made XHTML obsolete
19:45 Infinity_69    http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fmulta.bugs3.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.3
19:45 Infinity_69    RUBEN!
19:45 Infinity_69    LOOK
19:45 Infinity_69    xD
19:45 Calinou        because real browsers now exist
19:45 rubenwardy     (unnecessary)
19:46 rubenwardy     that is a generated website
19:46 Infinity_69    (TOTALLY necessary)
19:46 Infinity_69    so?!
19:46 Infinity_69    WAIT WHAT >D
19:46 Infinity_69    I DO MINE IN HTML WITH NOTEPAD++
19:46 Infinity_69    xD
19:46 Calinou        notepad++--
19:46 Infinity_69    YOU, Rubenwardy, ARE N00B
19:46 rubenwardy     obsolete =  (unnecessary)
19:46 Calinou        that's for windows...
19:46 rubenwardy     (hypocryte)
19:46 Infinity_69    i use wine
19:46 thexyz         TOO MUCH CAPS
19:46 Calinou        lol?
19:46 Infinity_69    i know :D
19:46 Calinou        you're using wine for a text editor?
19:47 rubenwardy     I used this to make it: http://www.serif.com/webplus/
19:47 Calinou        why not use a native program like geany
19:47 Infinity_69    yes :)
19:47 thexyz         Calinou: some people *do* use np++ via wine
19:47 rubenwardy     before I learnt how to make "real" websites
19:47 thexyz         or vim
19:47 thexyz         or emacs
19:47 Calinou        or nano
19:47 thexyz         or ed
19:47 rubenwardy     that website is like 3 years old
19:47 Calinou        or cat
19:47 thexyz         or butterflies
19:47 kaeza          lol cat
19:47 Calinou        or dd
19:47 Infinity_69    cause NP++ isnt my only wine program
19:47 Infinity_69    Cstrike 1.6 too
19:47 Infinity_69    :)
19:47 kaeza          CS 1.6?
19:47 Calinou        lolCS
19:47 kaeza          meh
19:47 Infinity_69    and MacroMedia Flash MX 2004
19:47 thexyz         http://xkcd.com/378/
19:47 moltenbot      thexyz's link: xkcd: Real Programmers
19:48 Calinou        both CS 1.6 and CSS suck
19:48 Infinity_69    NO
19:48 Infinity_69    ok kinda do...
19:48 Infinity_69    CS:GO FTW
19:48 ruskie         lol
19:48 Infinity_69    :')
19:48 thexyz         cascading style sheets does not suck
19:48 Infinity_69    gMod FTW2
19:48 Infinity_69    :d
19:48 ruskie         ftl ftw
19:48 Infinity_69    ftl?
19:48 Infinity_69    FUCK IE(
19:48 Infinity_69    IE9*(
19:48 Calinou        CS:GO still has cheaters and is paid and proprietary :P
19:49 Infinity_69    so?1
19:49 Calinou        real men play FOSS games, support them
19:49 Infinity_69    NOPE!
19:49 thexyz         real men do not play games
19:49 ruskie         they make them
19:49 Infinity_69    i can cheat on MineTest with CHEAT ENGINE!
19:49 thexyz         admit it
19:50 Infinity_69    0.1% security?
19:50 Calinou        just edit the source code, cheat engine is for employees of corporations that make RAM
19:50 ruskie         Infinity_69, as for FTL look it up
19:50 kaeza          real men were real men, until Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked 'em
19:50 Infinity_69    !g ftl
19:50 Minetest-tan   Infinity_69: http://www.ftlgame.com/
19:50 STHGOM         can there be a player_sparky.blend for 4.4?
19:51 kaeza          npe
19:51 kaeza          nope*
19:54 Zeg9           Hi !
19:54 kaeza          hey
19:55 STHGOM         hi zeg
19:56 rubenwardy     can someone give me a link to a free code editor for windows? (I have context, but its tabs are weird, and does not support LUA)
19:56 rubenwardy     (for HTML, LUA, PHP, CSS, JS)
19:56 rubenwardy     LUA Syntax
19:56 rubenwardy     ing
19:56 Zetetic        Emacs
19:56 Zetetic        Probably has support for all that stuff
19:56 kaeza          rubenwardy, Geany
19:56 NakedFury      geany, notepad++
19:56 kaeza          or jEdit ;)
19:56 thexyz         rubenwardy: vim
19:57 Zetetic        john_minetest: I'm using Emacs on Windows right now
19:57 kaeza          screw vim
19:57 kizeren        kwrite
19:57 kaeza          copy con file.lua ^_^
19:58 thexyz         kaeza: ?
19:58 kaeza          thexyz, Win version of cat
19:58 thexyz         kaeza: no, >screw vim
19:58 kaeza          s/Win/cmd.exe/
19:58 kaeza          I don't like it
19:58 thexyz         why?
19:59 kaeza          bad experiences, mostly locking my comp
19:59 thexyz         btw, rubenwardy, try this one http://www.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/
19:59 moltenbot      thexyz's link: PHP IDE :: JetBrains PhpStorm
19:59 thexyz         if you want an IDE
20:00 * Jordach      is back from playing Dead Rising 2
20:01 rubenwardy     does phpstorm do html, and other stuff?
20:02 thexyz         aww, open that page
20:02 thexyz         >Note: PhpStorm includes all the functionality of WebStorm (HTML/CSS Editor, JavaScript Editor) and adds full-fledged support for PHP
20:02 thexyz         well, I personally have never used that one
20:02 rubenwardy     I download it
20:02 thexyz         but pycharm is nice
20:03 rubenwardy     gtg
20:04 kaeza          rubenwardy, or use LuaIDE on Wine
20:04 kaeza          oh
20:04 kaeza          gone
20:05 kaeza          oh wait, he was using win
20:05 kaeza          so nvm
20:05 * Jordach      notices that the middle mouse button is dying on this mouse
20:06 STHGOM         hello
20:06 PilzAdam       does the button loose its functionality or have you added a function to MT that kills you when middleclick?
20:07 kosnick        hey guys, first time in minetest, do i need to register somewhere for the servers mentioned in http://servers.minetest.ru  ??
20:07 PilzAdam       kosnick, no
20:07 kosnick        any reason i cant "get in"?
20:08 PilzAdam       what server do you try?
20:08 kosnick        minetest.ru , i am answered "your clients version is not supported"
20:09 PilzAdam       what version of Minetest do you use
20:09 kosnick        thats why
20:09 kosnick        the one ubuntu has, PROTOCOL_VERSION 3
20:09 PilzAdam       (it is written in the upper right corner)
20:09 kaeza          nonono
20:09 PilzAdam       *left
20:10 thexyz         kosnick: minetest.ru uses fairly old version of minetest
20:10 PilzAdam       the ubuntu version is heavily outdated
20:10 thexyz         02fb912a955c9e5baa86ecd4206eefaa88f3e60a, that is
20:10 kaeza          somebody has to tell whoever maintains the ubuntu package to update it
20:10 kosnick        nope, there is no version number on the upper left corner, or i can't see it
20:10 thexyz         kosnick: http://minetest.ru/blog/68.html
20:10 moltenbot      thexyz's link: ??? ?????? ?????? / Blog by xyz / ??????? ?????? Minetest
20:11 thexyz         awesome, moltenbot
20:11 PilzAdam       the version in the ubuntu repos is 0.3.1 and we currently have 0.4.4
20:11 kosnick        is there any server compatible with my version? i would like to try minetest
20:11 thexyz         I think that no
20:11 PilzAdam       you can start a singleplayer game
20:11 kaeza          kosnick, why not update?
20:11 thexyz         nobody uses 0.3.x
20:12 Zeg9           kosnick, you should use the ppa if you don't want to compile
20:12 PilzAdam       (leave adress field empty)
20:12 kosnick        but in singleplayer, are there "enemies" or whatever?
20:12 thexyz         kosnick: no
20:12 kaeza          yes
20:12 thexyz         (in 0.4.x)
20:12 PilzAdam       kosnick, yes
20:12 NakedFury      updating to the newest version is your best option right now kosnick
20:12 NakedFury      no enemies or monsters yet
20:12 kosnick        haha , yes i guess it s the best option
20:12 PilzAdam       in 0.3 there are mobs
20:13 Zeg9           kosnick: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable/+packages
20:13 moltenbot      Zeg9's link: Packages in "Stable Releases" : Stable Releases : Code : "Minetest Developers" team
20:13 kosnick        ok, thank you all for your time bye
20:13 PilzAdam       I have to say that compiling is extremly easy
20:23 sapier         celeron is there any chance a option enabling entities to automatic face movement direction is added?
20:27 STHGOM         bye for now
20:31 kaeza          WTF is this? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4408
20:31 moltenbot      kaeza's link: [Indie] Indie Development Company - Indie Force [Submit] (Page 1) - Offtopic - Minetest Forums
20:32 marktraceur    It appears to be a forum post
20:33 kaeza          thanks marktraceur for pointing the obvious lol
20:33 marktraceur    You're welcome!
20:33 kaeza          :P
20:34 kaeza          marktraceur, BTW, may I have your opinion on this? https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc/blob/master/doc/API.txt
20:34 moltenbot      kaeza's link: minetest-irc/doc/API.txt at master ? kaeza/minetest-irc ? GitHub
20:34 marktraceur    Good stuff
20:38 kaeza          the basic idea is for other mods to be able to send messages to IRC. for example, the protector mod could say "User johndoe1234 tried to remove a block at (X,Y,Z)"
20:38 kaeza          and send it to the admin
20:39 marktraceur    Good plan
20:39 marktraceur    "User marktraceur purchased 30 default:gold_ingot at (X,Y,Z)"
20:40 marktraceur    kaeza: I like it!
20:41 kaeza          thx :)
20:41 kaeza          but I think more useful would be the remote admin interface
20:44 marktraceur    Yup
20:44 marktraceur    I still need to get that installed
20:44 NakedFury      how would that work?
20:45 kaeza          NakedFury, ability to grant/remove privs via bot commands
20:46 NakedFury      inside game or outside?
20:46 marktraceur    From IRC
20:46 marktraceur    It would be very helpful for me especially, I run a server that requires people to ask for interact, and I can't do it without logging in right now
20:46 NakedFury      I would like time based priviledges and possibly granting priviledges from signs or special blocks.
20:46 marktraceur    Doing it from IRC is sooooo much better
20:47 marktraceur    NakedFury: Complete a maze to get interact privileges? :)
20:47 NakedFury      extreme but good example
20:48 marktraceur    Maybe a really rare block that gives you fly for a limited time?
20:48 NakedFury      timed priviledges would be for that
20:48 NakedFury      a player is doing a really good building that is high so you grant him some flying time
20:48 marktraceur    *nod*
20:48 marktraceur    Good plan.
20:49 NakedFury      could be real time or game time
20:51 NakedFury      then making a tutorial area and at the end including a sign saying right click or punch for interact
20:51 marktraceur    Reminder: In one week, a documentation sprint will happen in #minetest-doc. We'll be trying to lower the barrier for entry to core development, and any help would be appreciated. http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4243 has the details.
20:51 moltenbot      marktraceur's link: Documentation sprint, 2013-01-19, in #minetest-doc (Page 1) - Unofficial engine development - Minetest Forums
20:53 NakedFury      waiting for it
20:53 mauvebic       sweet, from over 2K lines to 1500, finally getting somewhere lol
20:54 NakedFury      in what?
20:54 mauvebic       mbbase
20:54 mauvebic       its got all my helper functions for every other mod i write lol
20:55 mauvebic       was also taking forever to download/loadgame lately
20:56 NakedFury      do you have different permissions on the guns mod?
20:57 mauvebic       they're all locked to server priv now :-)
20:57 mauvebic       until i can upgrade to a version that doesnt have the attach bug, id rather not multiple users use terrain guns at the same time lol
20:58 Jordach        hehehehe
20:58 Jordach        is the server open atm?
20:58 mauvebic       wrong port lemme restart
20:58 Jordach        !up mauvebic.strangled.net
20:58 moltenbot      Minetest server mauvebic.strangled.net:30000 DOWN
20:58 Minetest-tan   Jordach: mauvebic.strangled.net seems to be down
20:59 Jordach        mauvebic, cheers
21:00 * Jordach      noticed that four torrents downloading at 500kb each are faster than minetest's method...
21:01 Jordach        ..and stuck at waiting content...bitch
21:02 mauvebic       there's gotta be a simple way to compress/decompress media on the server/client side
21:02 Jordach        use zlib properly :P
21:02 mauvebic       dont tell me that, im not the cpp guru lol
21:04 Jordach        huh
21:04 Jordach        the media is going much faster now
21:04 mauvebic       i did some spring cleaning yesterday
21:04 Jordach        sweet
21:04 kaeza          mauvebic, PNG files are already compressed
21:04 mauvebic       lots of retired textures still hanging around in the textures folders
21:04 Jordach        mauvebic, kill them with fire
21:04 mauvebic       old sound clips too lol
21:05 kaeza          there wouldn't be much gain in recompressing them
21:06 mauvebic       yeah i know the players are oversized in the ships lol
21:07 mauvebic       it seems like player attach makes the player adopt the visual scale of the intentity, dont know if bug or intentional
21:09 Jordach        and there you have it: http://imgur.com/a/a1N48
21:09 moltenbot      Jordach's link:             Photo Album - Imgur
21:10 NakedFury      someone else would say what that looks like
21:10 NakedFury      but not me
21:10 mauvebic       lol
21:10 mauvebic       its abit low
21:10 mauvebic       but is that a bug?
21:11 NakedFury      maybe
21:11 NakedFury      yeah I would think so
21:12 mauvebic       3rd one i find this month :p
21:12 NakedFury      keep finding them. all the ones I experience are documented already
21:12 mauvebic       rba fixed the first so i didn't have to file anything
21:12 VanessaE       there.  now my site has a half-ass section for Minetest :-)
21:13 VanessaE       http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest.html
21:13 Jordach        half-assed*
21:13 VanessaE       no, see, it's so half-ass that even "assed" is too much :-)
21:14 * Jordach      pats VanessaE on the back with a: bad joke
21:15 NekoGloop      meow
21:15 Jordach        i should really wire my rock band guitar into my pc and play midi tunes!
21:15 thexyz         https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAV86OXCAAAEfhk.png
21:16 thexyz         NekoGloop: ^
21:16 jojoa1997      is this how i make a new group
21:16 jojoa1997      minetest.register_group({spleef})
21:17 Jordach        hey OldCoder
21:17 thexyz         jojoa1997: read api docs
21:18 PilzAdam       jojoa1997, no
21:18 jojoa1997      i did and ok
21:18 jojoa1997      thexyz:i did
21:18 jojoa1997      pilzadam:ok
21:19 mauvebic       https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/419
21:19 moltenbot      mauvebic's link: 3d player visual_scale changes on attach, uses the entity's visual_scale ? Issue #419 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
21:24 * kaeza        puts a random link on NekoGloop's head https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/154767_509600469061524_21928376_n.jpg
21:25 * jin_xi       puts some resin between his ears
21:25 Oblivion1500   Hello everyone
21:25 kaeza          hi
21:26 Oblivion1500   can someone help me with github, i made a repo but its not showing up on github... its saying its there and i did a comit and it says its there in the application but its not on the website
21:26 kaeza          did you push?
21:27 Oblivion1500   explain how i would do that?
21:27 kaeza          git push
21:27 kaeza          after git commit
21:27 PilzAdam       Oblivion1500, http://git-scm.com/book
21:27 moltenbot      PilzAdam's link: Git - Book
21:29 Oblivion1500   oh damn that was easy
21:29 Oblivion1500   thanks
21:29 hohoho         yea Oblivion1500 seems git is fairly easy once you get a grasp of how it works
21:29 * hohoho       has been tinkering with git last hour
21:30 hohoho         prior to such I was a total git n00b
21:30 PilzAdam       git is a powerfull tool wich makes it easy to handle multiple branches
21:31 mauvebic       nakedfury ill be updating terrain guns today too, gonna add all the shapes
21:31 mauvebic       http://i.imgflip.com/1bh9.jpg
21:31 NakedFury      eggcelent news
21:32 mauvebic       actually im splitting off shapes from multinode as a seperate lib to be used by both mods and others
21:32 mauvebic       (by nc)
21:33 jojoa1997_     where is the application in the current github
21:33 jojoa1997_     for minetest
21:34 mauvebic       ?
21:34 jojoa1997_     it used to be in the bin folder
21:34 mauvebic       inquiry not recognised, please restate command
21:34 NakedFury      having them in a separate libraby better?
21:34 PilzAdam       the github repo only contains the sourcecode
21:34 PilzAdam       ^ jojoa1997_
21:34 jojoa1997_     how do i start minetest with the current version(github version)
21:35 PilzAdam       you need to compile it yourself
21:35 PilzAdam       (see README)
21:35 mauvebic       nakedfury yeah because i dont have to write 1x each mod
21:36 mauvebic       and the shapes will be easily usable by any mod for a variety of purposes
21:36 mauvebic       my asteroidgen, among others
21:37 NakedFury      would that also make it faster?
21:37 mauvebic       yeah because i dont have seperate copies ofthe same functions loading in multinode, then terrain guns, then asteroid gen lol
21:38 mauvebic       like pilzadam's flat mapgen, will come in handy with the guns
21:39 NakedFury      can a water level raising mod be made?
21:39 NakedFury      with commands, could help for water world mod
21:40 mauvebic       i have a water equalization chat command that works at y<=0
21:40 mauvebic       to raise the water level ill use the code jordach sent me so that its done on mapgen and not after
21:43 hohoho         mauvebic.. are you the one who did the mod here? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1644
21:43 moltenbot      hohoho's link: A real, universal replicator [0.12] [new industrial model] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
21:43 mauvebic       i wrote that mod when the horseless carriage was becoming popular yes
21:44 hohoho         lol what's the license?
21:44 mauvebic       that old crap? wtfpl lol
21:44 hohoho         k I have modded it to work with latest and was thinking of releasing the updated version. had to ensure was ok
21:45 mauvebic       go ahead
21:45 mauvebic       i never really saw a purpose to it though
21:45 mauvebic       with /givemes, creative
21:45 mauvebic       if users dont have access to those things the admin prolly dont want them pulling nodes out of their arse lol
21:45 hohoho         well I liked it because one could use it in a space colony theme (my original use for it)
21:46 hohoho         my first use of it was in the original marstest that I never released
21:46 mauvebic       i have a market mod that works for that too
21:46 hohoho         theme being the world is set on mars and you have limited resources and must colonize mars
21:46 mauvebic       it sells unlimited quantities
21:47 mauvebic       though it never sells more than was bought (balance)
21:49 Kacey          hohoho can i have a copy of marstest?
21:49 hohoho         the latest is on the forum
21:49 hohoho         though its rough
21:49 hohoho         I lost the original marstest
21:49 Kacey          k i will look it up later
21:49 mauvebic       i was also thinking about chemistry and transmutation but that would prolly be a bigger undertaking than pipeworks lol
21:49 hohoho         http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4046
21:49 moltenbot      hohoho's link: Marstest V1 (modpack and world and maybe future fork?) (Page 1) - Minetest-related projects - Minetest Forums
21:52 mauvebic       a decent full chemistry mod would solve the problem of alot of crafts not making any sense at all lol
21:53 NakedFury      full metal alchemist style or the minecraft mod?
21:55 mauvebic       not sure of the difference dont know the MC mod
21:59 NakedFury      http://equivalentexchange.wikispaces.com/
22:01 kaeza          mauvebic, I like that idea
22:01 kaeza          about the chemistry
22:01 kaeza          +mod
22:02 mauvebic       well the notion behind a chemistry mod is you wouldn't need more than 1 dependency for crafting ingrediants, you'd have all the elements in one place
22:03 mauvebic       i mean, if i need plastic, i should be able to get some without installing a nature or flower pack along
22:04 Jordach        we need unifiedcraftingitems
22:04 mauvebic       ... chemistry? lol all the elements
22:04 Jordach        oh yes, and let LandMine run around with plutonium
22:04 mauvebic       start with the solids then move on to liquids and gasses
22:04 Jordach        thats a "great" idea
22:05 NakedFury      I like how we moved from More to Unified in mod titles
22:05 Kacey          /join ##xbox
22:05 Kacey          haha fail
22:05 mauvebic       "great" ? lol
22:06 mauvebic       i think for transmutation you'd need a mese-power proton collider?
22:07 NakedFury      go medieval. yesterday someone was talking about how everything is so high tech
22:07 mauvebic       my wife wants me to make a wooden version of pipeworks along with mills and those water turning wheel thingies
22:07 NakedFury      yes I want that too
22:08 kaeza          mauvebic, and at last, you could craft water sources with 2 hydrogens and an Oxygen :)
22:08 NakedFury      low tech versions wood or copper pipes, water mills
22:08 leo_rockway    water mills sounds like fun
22:09 mauvebic       milling is definate plan because i already have the wheat in plantlib
22:09 NakedFury      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZFhV6bKvQM
22:09 moltenbot      NakedFury's link: Minecraft Better Than Wolves: Water Wheels + Mill Stones - YouTube
22:10 mauvebic       if a mob mod has horses then you could mill oats too
22:10 kaeza          we also need to normalize a bit the HP restoration by food items
22:10 NakedFury      a really really complete agricultural mod could be possible
22:11 NakedFury      that youtube video is what your wife wants
22:11 mauvebic       i plan an adding as many plants as possible to plantlib (edible)
22:11 kaeza          I mean, what's the point in taking all the effort to make a cake that restores 8 HP when a simple apple restores 4 HP=
22:11 kaeza          ?
22:12 mauvebic       well the pvp or survival concept hasnt been extensively developped
22:12 mauvebic       how much HP to lose in a battle vs how much HP to loose over time
22:12 mauvebic       its important that players neither die instantly nor take forever to kill
22:13 kaeza          I believe we should deviate from the Minecraftish hearts and implement something like a health bar or something
22:13 mauvebic       and the food healing should be proportional to how much people usually grow for themselves and how fast they can renew crops
22:13 mauvebic       you can have a health bar
22:13 sapier         does anyone have experience with on_leaveplayer?
22:13 mauvebic       change the hearts png to green squares
22:13 kaeza          also, 20 HP as max does not leave much flexibility
22:14 mauvebic       is that set in the engine?
22:14 kaeza          dunno
22:14 kaeza          hmm
22:14 mauvebic       submit a patch to set it for 100
22:14 Zetetic        What's the engine in?
22:14 Zetetic        C?
22:14 mauvebic       cpp
22:15 NakedFury      ++
22:15 kaeza          C++
22:15 Zetetic        K
22:15 Zetetic        Danke :)
22:15 mauvebic       gracias
22:15 NakedFury      de nada
22:15 mauvebic       lol
22:16 jojoa1997_     thexyz:where is the config file in your latest build http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4420
22:16 moltenbot      jojoa1997_'s link: 3d Armor - need help! (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
22:16 jojoa1997_     oops wrong link
22:16 jojoa1997_     http://minetest.ru/builds/minetest-2013.01.08-8eb717d4d0.zip
22:16 jojoa1997_     that one
22:17 NakedFury      I owuld prefer 100hp over the very limited 20 we have now
22:17 NakedFury      would
22:17 mauvebic       i wish xfce had auto-tile
22:19 kaeza          NakedFury, that would allow very flexible planning for damage and restoration
22:19 NakedFury      yes
22:19 * Zetetic      thinks it should be 255
22:19 Zetetic        But not or any hugely good reason
22:19 NakedFury      well a bigger number would allow for better weapon and food(HP) system
22:20 kaeza          and maybe make max hp modifiable by lua
22:20 kaeza          to make RPG-likemods
22:20 kaeza          like mods*
22:20 mauvebic       sleep = +50% natural heal rate
22:20 NakedFury      another point is making it no be with hearts
22:20 Zetetic        Yeah, settable would be cool, but 2ⁿ-1 seems a good maximum
22:21 mauvebic       i dont care about the hearts, i replaced those with strips of bacon png
22:21 Socke          woah, i just started mintest for the first time, this game needs some better textures!
22:21 kaeza          mauvebic, yes, but the engine currently only draws either half a heart/bacon or a full image
22:21 NakedFury      what I mean about the hearts is that damage or health would be in half or full hearts increments
22:21 NakedFury      that sucks
22:22 thexyz         jojoa1997_: minetest-2013.01.08-8eb717d4d0/minetest.conf
22:22 NakedFury      currently we have a Zelda style damage system
22:22 kaeza          a smooth health bar would be awesome
22:22 mauvebic       custom hud's would be a bad idea, personally id like to have more than 8 tiles on the wheel
22:22 mauvebic       *wouldn't
22:23 jojoa1997_     thexyz: it says it is an example file and the file has a bunch of #
22:23 NakedFury      I would like to have full 1-0 hotbar
22:24 mauvebic       you could have buttons for various aspect instead of cramming it all in the inventory lol
22:24 NakedFury      I for inventory, H for character[this includes equipment] this would open different windows and like you said stop cramming that window
22:25 kaeza          NakedFury, that would be possible if MT supported reading keyboard state from lua
22:26 OldCoder       Hi
22:26 kaeza          hi OldCoder
22:26 OldCoder       o/
22:26 mauvebic       there could be a simple way to map unused keys to specific formspecs
22:26 kaeza          \o
22:26 NakedFury      take other rpgs examples. Usually C for character stats, I for bags/inventory, J for quests/logs/diaries k for skills
22:27 mauvebic       m for map lol
22:27 NakedFury      yes
22:27 mauvebic       with so many mapper tools now we should all be able to include a map.png lol
22:27 kaeza          FPSs: F for flashlight, Z for prone, etc etc
22:27 mauvebic       or even have it served fresh
22:27 NakedFury      shift = running ctrl crouching z prone v for voice commands etc
22:27 mauvebic       naw dont further change the move settings
22:28 NakedFury      was an example. but I would agree to leaving the inventory window be inventory only
22:28 Kacey          brb switching computers
22:28 mauvebic       cuz people start tinkering with that shit, then it never stops lol
22:28 NakedFury      make new windows for added stuff
22:31 NakedFury      also adding keys 1 to 9 or 0 for the bar would not mean increasing inventory size
22:31 mauvebic       hey if i can fit 12 squares on my screen then thats 12 i scroll with the mouse easily
22:32 NakedFury      ohh using the scroll wheel is different but yes
22:33 mauvebic       with like 500 nodes to choose from, you rarely finish a project with just 8 nodetypes
22:33 NakedFury      minecraft creative has middle button clicking changes your held block
22:33 Kacey          can i play xbox games on windows 8?
22:33 NakedFury      with an emulator
22:34 NakedFury      if there is one
22:34 marktraceur    This isn't an Xbox support channel
22:34 mauvebic       or the mousewheel could scroll through all 32 and the hud bar would adjust
22:34 jojoa1997_     i think we need dual hands
22:34 NakedFury      2 hands could open new possibilities
22:34 NakedFury      flashlight or torch wielding
22:35 NakedFury      sword+shield or 2 weapons
22:35 jojoa1997_     pick axe+shovel
22:35 NakedFury      maybe even holding the tools with 2 hands for increase mining/shoveling/cutting speed
22:35 marktraceur    NakedFury: -25% effectiveness for off-hand
22:35 jojoa1997_     pick+pick and press both buttons at once
22:35 NakedFury      thats for rpg ish mods to do
22:35 jojoa1997_     have 2 mese picks lol
22:36 mauvebic       unlikely
22:36 kaeza          marktraceur, how can I push my minetest branch to my repo?
22:36 PilzAdam       going to sleep; bye
22:37 thexyz         jojoa1997_: you should create it, there's no minetest.conf in my builds
22:37 kaeza          I mean, I cloned from c55/mt
22:37 thexyz         .example one is example
22:37 marktraceur    kaeza: git push origin <branchname>
22:37 kaeza          but want to push to kaeza/mt
22:37 thexyz         kaeza: add remote
22:37 thexyz         then push to it
22:37 jojoa1997_     does anyone have an example of what the default is
22:37 kaeza          ok
22:37 kaeza          gonna try
22:37 marktraceur    kaeza: Sorry, git push <remote> <branchname>
22:37 thexyz         git remote add kaeza git@github.com:kaeza/minetest.git
22:37 jojoa1997_     cause i dont know all the stuff
22:37 thexyz         then git push kaeza branchname
22:38 kaeza          marktraceur, thexyz: thank you!
22:38 marktraceur    jojoa1997_: There's a sample one in the source code
22:38 jojoa1997_     k
22:38 * kaeza        is a git noob
22:38 thexyz         then set that branch to track your remote, not origin
22:39 kaeza          ok
22:39 kaeza          Permission denied (publickey).
22:40 NakedFury      2 hands could work for weapons, light objects, maybe increased mining speed for 2 hand holding tools and just for being different from other voxel games in this genre
22:40 * Oblivion1500 just figured out how to do this.... is an irc noob
22:40 thexyz         git branch --set-upstream your_branch kaeza/your_branch
22:40 * Jordach      needs a cup of tea
22:40 Jordach        :P
22:40 thexyz         kaeza: try ssh git@github.com
22:41 Jordach        \o/
22:41 kaeza          $ ssh git@github.com
22:41 kaeza          Permission denied (publickey).
22:41 kaeza          $ git branch --set-upstream master kaeza/master
22:41 kaeza          fatal: Not a valid object name: 'kaeza/master'.
22:42 thexyz         kaeza: you should add your public ssh key to your github profile
22:43 kaeza          ok
22:49 kaeza          thexyz, thanks! I got it pushed. :)
22:51 Kacey          back
23:00 Kacey          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIyXqBgFpFQ
23:00 moltenbot      Kacey's link: Happiness and death coaster - YouTube
23:00 Kacey          wow
23:00 Oblivion1500   https://github.com/languages/Lua/created
23:00 moltenbot      Oblivion1500's link: Recently Created Lua Repositories ? GitHub
23:01 Oblivion1500   thats alot of work in the last 2 hours
23:01 * hohoho       pokerface
23:05 hohoho         brb
23:08 TheZenKitteh   back (was hohoho and is better known as RAPHAEL but couldn't remember password for RAPHAEL so created a new nick finally)
23:09 kaeza          wb TheZenKitteh/RAPHAEL/hohoho :)
23:09 TheZenKitteh   lol ty kaeza
23:10 TheZenKitteh   finally decided I needed a registered nickname
23:12 TheZenKitteh   youtube needs more minetest related videos
23:13 TheZenKitteh   preferably showing off the various mods that exist to try to "lure" some new players
23:13 NekoGloop      My SNES emulator just crashed :D
23:13 marktraceur    NekoGloop: Thanks for the update
23:13 NekoGloop      You're welcome. :D
23:13 TheZenKitteh   lol sorry NekoGloop but you aren't only cat in here now
23:14 NekoGloop      technically i never was
23:14 NekoGloop      neko259.
23:14 TheZenKitteh   lol rephrase.. sorry NekoGloop AND neko259 you are not the only catS in here
23:14 TheZenKitteh   now*
23:16 kaeza          BTW I never saw that neko 259 say a word in here
23:16 NekoGloop      Super Mario World is a very crashy game. (at least the way i play it ;))
23:16 NekoGloop      kaeza: because when he does talk, it's later at night.
23:17 Muadtralk      timezones ftw!
23:17 NekoGloop      ikr
23:17 kaeza          or for that matter half of the user list :)
23:18 kaeza          seems somebody got offended...
23:18 kaeza          sowwy!
23:19 marktraceur    Hm?
23:20 NakedFury      ew timezones they kill irc chat rooms. whoever invented should die
23:21 NekoGloop      have fun killing God.
23:21 marktraceur    NakedFury: Without timezones, you might not be able to get tech support 24/7!
23:21 marktraceur    NekoGloop: Pretty sure time zones are a human thing, mate
23:21 NakedFury      ew tech support
23:21 TheZenKitteh   who needs tech support
23:22 NakedFury      my mom hates them. a few weeks ago spent the entire day with tech support for the cell phone
23:22 TheZenKitteh   just blindly keep hitting buttons till it works
23:22 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:22 marktraceur    Wow
23:22 TheZenKitteh   is quicker than talking to tech support :P
23:22 NekoGloop      TheZenKitteh: *Self Destruct Sequence activated*
23:23 NakedFury      for Claro. they had not activated the new SIM card and it was messing stuff up
23:23 NakedFury      took them 3 days to finally do it right
23:23 kaeza          lol Claro
23:23 sapier         great ... register_on_leaveplayer functions are only called multiplayer ... is noone playing singleplayer?
23:23 TheZenKitteh   but really of the times I've been forced to call tech support I had to be "elevated" several times as I already did everything the first few agents wanted me to do
23:23 kaeza          the guys at Claro are sh*theads
23:24 Zetetic        Am I right in thinking there's no sane way to do tides?
23:24 NakedFury      we play multiplayer for great company and interaction of other players
23:24 NakedFury      I think tides would need source code editing and lots of it
23:25 TheZenKitteh   you know NakedFury.. a tired dyslexic like myself might read your name as NakedFurry.. just sayin
23:25 NakedFury      you dont have to be dyslexic to read it, people always misread it
23:25 NekoGloop      That was in EsperNet's #minecraft's topic once.
23:25 TheZenKitteh   I didn't.. till the first time after I saw your name and I was tired
23:25 kaeza          Zetetic, I think somebody did something like that with shaders
23:26 Zetetic        I might not know what shaders are then
23:26 kaeza          can't recall who
23:26 NekoGloop      Metroid Super Zero Mission, y u so hard.
23:26 Zetetic        It would need to modify blocks but I can't think of a sane way to do so
23:26 kaeza          NekoGloop, you don't know what 'hard' means until you play Nethack
23:27 NekoGloop      I actually just downloaded that onto my ipad last night.
23:27 leo_rockway    I went 5 floors down...
23:27 leo_rockway    my record
23:27 NekoGloop      havent played yet though.
23:27 kaeza          I went no more than 3 I think
23:27 kaeza          so much lack of food
23:27 leo_rockway    kaeza: I was doing the sokoban and I found an ants nest... they ate me.
23:27 Zetetic        leo_rockway: get confused, wear a ring or teleport control, read a scroll of teleport
23:28 Zetetic        Teleport a long way down and get a high score with little skill :)
23:28 leo_rockway    :D
23:28 kaeza          ??? profit
23:28 leo_rockway    lol
23:28 Zetetic        Nah, you normally just die
23:28 NekoGloop      Yeah but with Metroid Super Zero Mission (which is a hack of Super Metroid), I cant get the freakin varia suit.
23:28 Zetetic        Because you end up in Hell
23:29 leo_rockway    NekoGloop: I have zero mission. I love it.
23:29 * OldCoder     will be back in a few minutes
23:29 leo_rockway    for the GBA
23:29 NekoGloop      Varia Suit requires me to get the Grapple Beam, which requires me to go through a heated Norfair room, which i die three seconds into.
23:29 NekoGloop      leo_rockway: So do i
23:29 NekoGloop      I also love Super Metroid.
23:29 kaeza          NekoGloop, there should be other way
23:29 leo_rockway    nethack is an amazing game, but SO frustrating.
23:29 NekoGloop      However this game is just....
23:29 NekoGloop      kaeza: you ever played it?
23:30 kaeza          not Zero Mission
23:30 NekoGloop      There is. It needs infinite bomb jump.
23:30 kaeza          played Super and Fusion
23:30 NekoGloop      kaeza: this is a hacked ROM of Super Metroid.
23:30 kaeza          and the original Metroid :3
23:30 NekoGloop      Made to be like Zero Mission while mixing with Super Metroid element.
23:30 leo_rockway    I was playing the one for GC, beat a very difficult boss after a few tries... then got killed by a lowly enemy and my game didn't get saved
23:30 NekoGloop      elements*
23:30 leo_rockway    I stopped playing -.-
23:30 NekoGloop      Prime was kinda meh.
23:30 NekoGloop      Corruption was good.
23:31 NekoGloop      havent played Hunters.
23:31 leo_rockway    I also have the DS one.
23:31 leo_rockway    not too good
23:31 NekoGloop      Do note that the Primes arent made by nintendo.
23:31 leo_rockway    I didn't know that.
23:32 NekoGloop      They are made by Retro Studios.
23:32 Muadtralk      !up zenoheld.minetest.net
23:32 Minetest-tan   Muadtralk: zenoheld.minetest.net is up (0.338ms)
23:32 moltenbot      Minetest server zenoheld.minetest.net:30000 UP
23:32 leo_rockway    I thought zero and fusion for GBA were amazing.
23:32 Muadtralk      perfect
23:32 NekoGloop      leo_rockway: they are! :D
23:32 leo_rockway    I still replay them every once in a while
23:32 Muadtralk      !up zenoheld.minetest.net:30001
23:32 moltenbot      Minetest server zenoheld.minetest.net:30001:30001 DOWN
23:32 Minetest-tan   Muadtralk: zenoheld.minetest.net:30001 is up (0.311ms)
23:32 NekoGloop      fusion is even fun after you beat it, because I hack in the ice beam!
23:32 Muadtralk      minetest-tan wins!
23:33 Kacey          haha bot arguement
23:33 Muadtralk      sorry but moltenbot didnt have the guts
23:33 Muadtralk      it messed up the port
23:33 marktraceur    Hrm, I thought I asked the two bot authors to decide whose bot should respond to things.
23:34 Muadtralk      obviously they ignored you
23:34 marktraceur    Apparently.
23:34 NekoGloop      moltenbot shouldnt do !up because it's shit at it
23:34 marktraceur    Sounds fine to me
23:34 Muadtralk      moltenbot responds more but minetest-tan gets things right
23:34 TheZenKitteh   maybe they each decided their bot was god?
23:34 marktraceur    Probably something like that.
23:34 * marktraceur  will give them some more time
23:35 marktraceur    sfan5|OFF: Please talk with iqualfragile (who is not online right now) at some point to determine the order of operations re: !up
23:36 Kacey          !up minetest.org
23:36 Minetest-tan   Kacey: minetest.org is up (0.291ms)
23:36 moltenbot      Minetest server minetest.org:30000 UP
23:36 TheZenKitteh   how do the bots know of the servers? manually added?
23:37 NekoGloop      they ping it
23:37 NekoGloop      then do black magic to see if it's a minetest server.
23:38 TheZenKitteh   so any domain?
23:38 Zetetic        Don't they just check for open ports?
23:38 Muadtralk      let me check that
23:38 TheZenKitteh   !up google.com
23:38 moltenbot      Minetest server google.com:30000 DOWN
23:38 Minetest-tan   TheZenKitteh: google.com seems to be down
23:38 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:38 Muadtralk      !up zenoheld.minetest.net:5900
23:38 moltenbot      Minetest server zenoheld.minetest.net:5900:5900 DOWN
23:38 Minetest-tan   Muadtralk: zenoheld.minetest.net:5900 seems to be down
23:38 TheZenKitteh   o noes google is down
23:38 Muadtralk      yep
23:38 Zetetic        !up google.com :80
23:38 moltenbot      Minetest server google.com::80 DOWN
23:38 Minetest-tan   Zetetic: google.com :80 seems to be down
23:38 Zetetic        Apparently not
23:39 Muadtralk      dont put spaces
23:39 Zetetic        !up google.com:80
23:39 moltenbot      Minetest server google.com:80:80 DOWN
23:39 Minetest-tan   Zetetic: google.com:80 seems to be down
23:39 Zetetic        Doesn't work
23:39 Muadtralk      yep
23:39 Zetetic        Oh, works with one of them
23:39 TheZenKitteh   !up dtamedia.com:50000
23:39 moltenbot      Minetest server dtamedia.com:50000:50000 DOWN
23:39 Minetest-tan   TheZenKitteh: dtamedia.com:50000 seems to be down
23:39 marktraceur    Why are we doing this.
23:39 TheZenKitteh   !up onisamadojo.com:50000
23:39 moltenbot      Minetest server onisamadojo.com:50000:50000 DOWN
23:39 Minetest-tan   TheZenKitteh: onisamadojo.com:50000 seems to be down
23:39 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:39 TheZenKitteh   they aren't down
23:40 TheZenKitteh   bots are failing
23:40 marktraceur    TheZenKitteh: Then quit using them
23:40 Muadtralk      just observing if the bots check if ports are open or something else
23:40 TheZenKitteh   well dtamedia is wrong url but onisamadojo is up I know
23:40 kaeza          Zetetic, you are checking Google for a MT server
23:40 Muadtralk      theZenKitteh is using excess
23:40 kaeza          !ping google.com
23:40 moltenbot      64 bytes from 173.194.70.100: icmp_req=1 ttl=51 time=5.02 ms
23:40 TheZenKitteh   I was checking if they worked
23:40 Zetetic        kaeza: I thought they just checked for open ports
23:40 TheZenKitteh   they apparently don't work quite right
23:41 Muadtralk      they are not suppost to work that way
23:41 TheZenKitteh   then do explain Muadtralk
23:41 kaeza          !ping google.com 80
23:41 moltenbot      64 bytes from 173.194.70.100: icmp_req=1 ttl=51 time=4.79 ms
23:41 kaeza          !ping onisamadojo.net 50000
23:41 moltenbot      64 bytes from 76.184.22.212: icmp_req=1 ttl=43 time=150 ms
23:41 kaeza          !ping onisamadojo.net 50004
23:41 moltenbot      64 bytes from 76.184.22.212: icmp_req=1 ttl=43 time=168 ms
23:41 Muadtralk      !up is suppost to check for open minetest servers yes?
23:42 Kacey          i gtg for a while
23:42 kaeza          Muadtralk, yes
23:42 TheZenKitteh   onisamadojo has a minetest server
23:42 TheZenKitteh   and it is currently up
23:42 Muadtralk      so it would make sense there is a safeguard in place to make sure it is in fact running a minetest server
23:42 TheZenKitteh   but it uses port 50000
23:42 Muadtralk      ahem? you mean RAPHAEL?
23:42 TheZenKitteh   I am RAPHAEL
23:42 TheZenKitteh   just under diff nick
23:42 Muadtralk      ahhhh
23:43 Muadtralk      dtamedia is yours though
23:43 TheZenKitteh   no dtamedia and onisamadojo are a friend of mines
23:43 Muadtralk      ahhhh
23:43 TheZenKitteh   im just an unpaid admin over the server
23:43 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:43 TheZenKitteh   mostly the minetest side
23:44 Muadtralk      well the 30001 server I called proves it isnt version number that effects whether it shows or not
23:44 Muadtralk      because that one was running 0.2
23:44 NekoGloop      "onisamadojo"
23:44 NekoGloop      wat...
23:44 TheZenKitteh   right now the server is running latest dev as of a few days ago. testing currently
23:45 TheZenKitteh   runs on non standard port for reasons I don't even know
23:45 TheZenKitteh   lol owners idea
23:45 Muadtralk      haha
23:46 Muadtralk      I thought that was because it is a private server?
23:46 Muadtralk      was
23:46 TheZenKitteh   well it started as a private server during early testing to make sure everything worked right
23:46 TheZenKitteh   then moved to a semi public release for further testing and refinements
23:46 TheZenKitteh   soon it will be full public
23:46 TheZenKitteh   if it isn't already
23:47 TheZenKitteh   right now its pretty much open to anyone who has enough rep that I can be reasonably sure they won't cause chaos
23:47 sdzen          i still have that email
23:47 TheZenKitteh   however the cache download is huge
23:47 TheZenKitteh   over 15MB
23:47 sdzen          the invite to your private server :)
23:48 TheZenKitteh   yea that was back in early testing
23:48 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:48 NakedFury      is it close to 6 pm pst?
23:48 TheZenKitteh   you were on the old server that was testing before he upgraded his net access
23:48 TheZenKitteh   close to 4pm pacific I think
23:48 sdzen          yes and there was you and ishikawa
23:49 TheZenKitteh   yea ishikawa seems awol
23:49 TheZenKitteh   don't know where he got off to
23:49 sdzen          hmmm
23:49 sdzen          when had you last heard of him?
23:49 TheZenKitteh   but right now the active users are the owner, his daughter and myself mostly
23:49 sdzen          dtamedia.com right?
23:50 sdzen          or net
23:50 sdzen          or org?
23:50 TheZenKitteh   yea but due to domain reconfigurations the minetest server url is now onisamadojo.com
23:50 sdzen          whoa!
23:50 sdzen          big change :)
23:50 TheZenKitteh   ?
23:51 sdzen          and i can't connect
23:51 TheZenKitteh   oh and now thanks to kaeza the in game chatter gets mirrored back and forth to the owners irc channel
23:51 TheZenKitteh   port 50000?
23:51 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:51 sdzen          yep
23:51 sdzen          so the bot was right
23:51 TheZenKitteh   no the bot isn't
23:51 TheZenKitteh   im connecting now
23:51 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:51 sdzen          what?
23:51 sdzen          how am i not then?
23:51 kaeza          <MinetestDTAmedia> *** RAPHAEL joined the game
23:52 sdzen          I am running the latest git
23:52 TheZenKitteh   onisamadojo.net
23:52 TheZenKitteh   excuse me
23:52 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:52 TheZenKitteh   net not com
23:52 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:52 TheZenKitteh   would explain why bot said down
23:52 sdzen          thanks for the warning :P
23:52 TheZenKitteh   !up onisamadojo.net:50000
23:52 moltenbot      Minetest server onisamadojo.net:50000:50000 DOWN
23:52 Minetest-tan   TheZenKitteh: onisamadojo.net:50000 is up (0.439ms)
23:52 TheZenKitteh   one says down one says up
23:52 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:53 sdzen          (06:39:37 PM) TheZenKitteh: !up dtamedia.com:50000
23:53 sdzen          or was it the fact you typed this?\
23:53 TheZenKitteh   yea im still trying to get used to onisamadojo.net being the domain and not dtamedia.com like it used to be
23:53 TheZenKitteh   if u noticed right after I realized I used dtamedia I did (06:39:50 PM) TheZenKitteh: !up onisamadojo.com:50000
23:54 TheZenKitteh   but I used com instead of net by accident
23:54 TheZenKitteh   lol
23:55 TheZenKitteh   lol I thought 0.4.4 was unstable
23:55 TheZenKitteh   the dev is worse it seems for me
23:56 TheZenKitteh   server never tested with more than 4 players so no idea how many it can handle
23:57 sdzen          need a extra player
23:57 sdzen          ?
23:57 Oblivion1500   i guess were gonna find out
23:57 TheZenKitteh   oh and in game skin switching mod is enabled
23:57 sdzen          cool