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00:00 shirish joined #minetest
00:00 jordach uberi, i used irc999 but its workable, but just to hard to navigate with
00:01 Uberi jordach: totally, I have a lot of trouble with the chat commands
00:01 jordach also, y u no have /me command
00:02 jordach anyways, i need to go to bed before i fall asleep
00:02 jordach bye
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00:02 Uberi o/
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00:09 NakedFury http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/17000-linux-powered-rifle-brings-auto-aim-to-the-real-world/
00:12 Uberi :O
00:12 kaeza wta
00:12 kaeza wat*
00:30 Kacey hey kaeza what happened to doing that mesecins extension?
00:30 Kacey cons*
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00:43 Exio http://blog.makerbar.com/?p=254 i want one
00:44 Uberi whoa four hours of battery
00:46 RealBadAngel ok, briches ver 3: http://realbadangel.pl/birches3.png and willows: http://realbadangel.pl/willows2.png
00:47 Uberi sweet trees RealBadAngel, is that the snow mod off to the right?
00:47 RealBadAngel yes
00:47 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/spruce.png
00:48 Uberi I like how it uses a thicker trunk
00:54 jakssoul joined #minetest
00:54 jakssoul Are there any semi-decent mob mods?
00:54 Uberi simple mobs and mobf are the best IMO
00:55 marktraceur jakssoul: Is 50% decent your upper or lower bound?
00:55 jakssoul Huh? xD
00:56 Elench Lower I'd guess
00:56 marktraceur jakssoul: Do you want a mod that is at most semi-decent, or one that is at least semi-decent
00:56 Elench But people are strange
00:56 marktraceur Elench: I know, but I figured I'd be obtuse about it.
00:56 jakssoul At least semi-decent.
00:56 Uberi we're not quite at semidecent yet
00:56 Uberi but getting there
00:56 jakssoul Not even semidecent? Awhhh.
00:56 Elench I thought I was playing along
00:57 jakssoul Are there any that won't crash my game?
00:57 jakssoul Or use 2049148835GB of RAM?
00:57 jakssoul Hahha
00:57 Exio mobf are more "resource intensive" afaik, but it has a lot of mobs and stuff from/with them
00:57 Exio mobf is* :P
01:00 Kacey kaeza?
01:00 jakssoul Any recent movies that would be worth watching?
01:02 kaeza Kacey: what?
01:02 mauvebic looper came out on dvd :/
01:02 mauvebic the story sucks but the future scenes are nice
01:03 Kacey are we eer going to make that data bus mod?
01:03 Kacey ever*
01:04 kaeza hmm
01:04 kaeza will it be worth it?
01:05 kaeza I mean, what do you think it will be useful for?
01:06 Uberi data bus mod?
01:06 Uberi that would pretty much need a rewrite of all of mesecons
01:07 Uberi it was designed for one state per node, it's hard enough to make crossings already
01:08 Uberi if you wanted to make busses it would probably need to store the multiple states in nodemeta, and simulate each pathway separately
01:08 Uberi it could work but it would be a huge undertaking
01:11 Kacey but it would make computers in minetest possible
01:12 Uberi Kacey: they already are possible
01:12 Uberi I can stack adders up 8 high to make an 8 bit adder
01:12 Uberi I can make a multiplier in 32x5x8
01:12 Uberi an address decoder in even less
01:13 Exio https://www.edis.at/en/server/colocation/austria/ wow
01:13 Uberi (and that's not even considering vertical mesecons, which I have not yet tried)
01:13 moltenbot Exio's link: edis.at :: Austria
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01:14 mauvebic out of curiosity, \whats the purpose of adding computer parts?
01:15 mauvebic i know notch is supposedly working on a new game with a processor? but im abit sketchy about the details
01:17 marktraceur mauvebic: You're asking about notch in the wrong channel, but it's useful to have computer parts if you want to automate actions
01:17 Kacey trolling on #minecraft
01:18 mauvebic ok but how, what does it let you do in game?
01:18 mauvebic program in assembly, basic?
01:18 Kacey afk dinner
01:18 marktraceur mauvebic: e.g. if you wanted to write an ingame calculator to help you with building things
01:19 marktraceur mauvebic: For example a sphere generator
01:19 mauvebic lol ok
01:19 mauvebic what confuses me is basically every mod is moving to GUI
01:19 mauvebic and this is more basic than chat commands
01:20 mauvebic why not a simple minetest markup language?
01:20 mauvebic the basic format of all shapes is the same, for x, for y, for z
01:21 mauvebic and a conditional on xyz
01:22 mauvebic an interpreter is simpler to write than an ingame processor :p
01:23 mauvebic and when it comes to generating complex shapes, you do need every bit of cpu
01:23 mauvebic i may be able to help with shapes tho
01:27 Uberi mauvebic: I think the game is 0x10c
01:27 mauvebic thats it
01:28 kaeza simple question: is there a function in the MT API to kick somebody from the server without resorting to a ban?
01:28 Uberi kaeza: cause a client error on their end
01:28 mauvebic force disconnect?
01:28 Uberi yeah, like using an invalid inventory name
01:28 mauvebic why not ban or prison?
01:29 Uberi ah, prison is just as good
01:29 kaeza mauvebic: in some cases a ban would be too much
01:29 Uberi unless they're hacking
01:29 kaeza and a simple kick would do
01:29 mauvebic i dunno, if you warn people before banning them i dont see whats wrong with that lol
01:29 Uberi I remember someone mentioned that changing some sort of sneak value basically gave you free_move
01:30 kaeza I am trying to develop a mod to filter bad words, and kick the player if repeated
01:30 mauvebic waste of resources, you cant account for every variation of every bad word
01:31 mauvebic and annoying people will find other ways to annoy
01:31 kaeza for most cases will do
01:31 kaeza and you can always add new words to the list
01:31 mauvebic use the prison mods
01:31 Exio a mod for kicking on repeat will be useful as antispam 'way'
01:32 mauvebic *mod
01:32 mauvebic put signs up in the prison with all the rules
01:32 Uberi and for goodness' sake, use a land protection mod as well
01:33 kaeza RAPHAEL on the forums has done a good jail mod
01:33 mauvebic land protection is simple enough if you think about it: default nodes should be diggable by anyone, everything else shouldn't
01:33 kaeza even if you manage to break out of the prison, it teleports you back to it
01:33 Uberi may I have a link?
01:33 kaeza Uberi: gimme a sec
01:33 Uberi mauvebic: I think the edge cases are important though, what if the player puts a piston outside of the area pushing in?
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01:33 kaeza Uberi: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4383
01:33 moltenbot kaeza's link: [mod] Jail (0.0.1) [jail] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
01:34 Uberi what if a falling node is in the area, and resting on a block outside of it?
01:34 mauvebic you cant account for every node thats generated by every mod
01:34 mauvebic especially if you have alot
01:35 mauvebic the problem is the number of protection zones, with shared access, thats alot of checks before being able to place/dig a node
01:35 Uberi mauvebic: oh yes that is important as well
01:36 mauvebic a factions mod may be inevitable: it would be simpler to divide large chunks of the map between groups of people
01:36 mauvebic and they could kick people out or invite them to their nation to build
01:37 Uberi ah, factions mod would be great!
01:38 mauvebic ideally when factions have covered a reasonable amount of their territory the admin or the server could grant extra chunks
01:38 mauvebic or you could have warfare
01:38 mauvebic depending on the type of server
01:39 Uberi or maybe territory wars style, perhaps
01:39 mauvebic the basic rule could be a territory (chunk) can be occupied when 95% of the nodes are default
01:40 Uberi default? but lots of player made structures are made from default blocks
01:40 mauvebic then define all the 'natural' nodes
01:41 mauvebic if a chunk is mostly made up of that, then the faction that holds it isn't really using or defending it, so it can be occupied
01:41 Uberi perhaps
01:41 Uberi what about a base courtyard? or a garden?
01:41 mauvebic base courtyard?
01:42 mauvebic each faction could have flag nodes that cant be crafted or pulled from creative
01:43 mauvebic or each chunk could have a white flag until claimed
01:44 * kaeza directs mauvebic to his forum post http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62472#p62472
01:44 moltenbot kaeza's link: There are way too many servers! (Page 1) - Offtopic - Minetest Forums
01:45 mauvebic pretty much the same idea lol
01:45 mauvebic i have the weapons lol
01:45 mauvebic guns, shooting' npc's, turrets
01:46 kaeza I hunger for a *real* PvP server
01:46 mauvebic i dont know how a cooloff period would work though
01:47 mauvebic ideally i would place a limit on the amount of ammunition each faction can produce
01:47 kaeza nice idea
01:47 kaeza also, see my other post below
01:47 mauvebic i already put a 2-minute lock on my nukes because it lags when people fire 2-3 at once
01:49 mauvebic im working on shields for my space map
01:49 mauvebic though its hard to kill players on contact when they pass through quickly
01:51 Uberi yeah it's the tunelling issue
01:51 Uberi only raycasting/swept tests will help here
01:53 kaeza or make wider shields ;)
01:53 Kacey back
01:53 kaeza wb
01:54 Kacey ty
01:55 NakedFury add outposts that can be conquered to that pvp mode
01:55 kaeza mauvebic: whenever I want to build some kind of shield (for example, using lava), I usually put ~10 blocks of lava in a small corridor
01:55 * Kacey wants to know why his internet is soooo laggy
01:56 Kacey hang on guys i want to go troll on #minecraft
01:57 minetestftw AndrewPH is on both channels
01:57 Uberi liquids are perfect since they are indestructable to things like TNT
01:59 kaeza aaand minetestftw is banned from #minecraft in 3..2..1..
01:59 minetestftw not yet
01:59 minetestftw haha time to troll
02:00 minetestftw crap
02:00 minetestftw undercoveragent can you troll alittle?
02:00 undercoveragent (23:56:39) modo (+q *!*@c-67-190-14-129.hsd1.co.comcast.net) por ChanServ
02:00 minetestftw Exio?
02:00 undercoveragent is that you?
02:00 undercoveragent lol
02:01 Exio qwat
02:01 Exio s/q//
02:01 Exio nah, playing wz sorry
02:01 minetestftw why are you on #minetest
02:02 Kacey was i banned from #minecraft
02:02 undercoveragent (23:59:11) Mustek: .whois Kacey
02:02 undercoveragent lol
02:02 NekoGloop joined #minetest
02:03 undercoveragent hello NekoGloop :3
02:03 Exio wut
02:03 NekoGloop hello kaeza.
02:06 Kacey brb ip change time
02:07 Kacey joined #minetest
02:08 Kacey ok back
02:08 Kacey did my ip change?
02:08 NekoGloop no
02:08 Kacey damnit how do i change my ip?
02:09 Muadtralk you try flipping your router switch?
02:09 Muadtralk that works for me :)
02:09 Muadtralk not for everyone though
02:09 Kacey router switch?
02:09 Muadtralk unplug your router
02:09 Kacey uuum no
02:10 Muadtralk then plug it back in
02:10 Muadtralk hmmm?
02:10 Muadtralk why not? :)
02:10 Kacey that takes forever to restart
02:10 NekoGloop press the power button
02:10 Muadtralk so....?
02:10 Muadtralk if you actually need to change your ip
02:10 Muadtralk then try it
02:10 Kacey i can always switch routers
02:10 Kacey brb
02:14 Kacey joined #minetest
02:14 Kacey well that didnt work...
02:14 undercoveragent +b from #minecraft lol
02:15 Kacey +b?
02:15 Kacey ban?
02:15 kaeza yup
02:15 Kacey aha i know how i can do this...
02:15 Kacey i need teamviewer and another computer...
02:16 Kacey and yet they didnt notice kaeza there...
02:16 Gambit joined #minetest
02:16 Kacey hello welcome to the epic ersion of minecrap
02:17 Gambit OldCoder, sfan5|OFF, VanessaE: Can you please keep your users under control?
02:17 Kacey who me?
02:17 VanessaE ?
02:17 Kacey good luck with that
02:17 Gambit They're constantly joining #minecraft, posting a bunch of spam, and then parting.
02:17 Gambit Fucks like Kacey here.
02:18 Gambit Apparently they actually get together and plan it too.
02:18 Kacey damnit i would /kick if i had op
02:18 NekoGloop joined #minetest
02:18 Gambit If you could put some pressure on them to behave, we'd really appreciate it.
02:18 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Gambit's head
02:18 VanessaE that's really not something anyone here can control, however we do generally discourage that.
02:18 Kacey but in all actuallity that was not planned but more of it just happened
02:18 lazugod joined #minetest
02:18 NekoGloop Having #minecraft troubles? ;)
02:18 VanessaE well, the spamming.  Kittens are another matter.
02:19 Uberi spamming the IRC is not very useful in any way
02:19 Gambit VanessaE: I understand.
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02:19 Gambit Well thanks.
02:19 * VanessaE goes back to coding
02:19 NekoGloop For a second i thought that was our gambit, the one who made the minetoon pack.
02:19 Gambit NekoGloop: They'd have about 30 seconds to use the nick :P
02:19 mgodzilla hmm...
02:20 NekoGloop Then i remembered the month or so before i was banned in #minecraft.
02:20 Kacey AndrewPH is on both channels
02:20 mgodzilla what's this channel for, gambit?
02:21 Kacey minetest related stuff
02:21 Gambit mgodzilla: Minetest; An open source game in the same genre as minecraft.
02:21 Kacey ITS BETTER THAN MINECRAP!!!!!
02:21 VanessaE Kacey, don't.
02:21 mgodzilla nice...
02:21 NakedFury minecraft in C++ with Lua for modding
02:21 mgodzilla ware aperson?
02:21 NekoGloop voxel isnt a genre.
02:22 NakedFury and we don't condone(correct word?) going to minecraft channell and spamming or trolling
02:22 mgodzilla anyway...just curious.  :)
02:22 mgodzilla left #minetest
02:22 NekoGloop yes NakedFury, that is the right word.
02:22 NekoGloop Mainly i play minecraft only because of the server minigames.
02:22 Gambit Kacey: You're doing a terrible job representing this project.
02:22 Kacey project?
02:22 Gambit Like seriously, be a good freenode citizen.
02:22 NekoGloop Ghostcraft, skyblock, survival games, etc.
02:23 NekoGloop Gambit: This is, sadly, his normal activity.
02:23 Uberi this is how quite a few people are, normally
02:23 Kacey alongside eating all of NekoGloop's internet kittens
02:23 NekoGloop And then you have landmine, which is an entirely different topic.
02:24 VanessaE Kacey: knock it off before you get booted outta here too.
02:24 Kacey at least im not landmine
02:24 VanessaE that much is true.
02:24 Kacey and i have been good all week
02:25 Kacey i had to let it out
02:25 NekoGloop Until someone from #minecraft joined
02:25 Kacey kaeza also went on #minecraft iirc
02:25 VanessaE Kacey: IRC it not the place to let it out, here or in #minecraft
02:26 lazugod left #minetest
02:27 Kacey it appears that half of #minecraft followed Gambit
02:27 NekoGloop I have join messages off
02:27 Gambit Yeah apparently they love drama. <_<
02:27 NekoGloop I think that is currently a good descision
02:28 NekoGloop Gambit: well #minetest == drama so tell them to stay.
02:28 Kacey only when windows comes up it is drama lol
02:28 mauvebic lol
02:28 kaeza Kacey: yeah, so?
02:28 mauvebic minetest is drama, yes lol
02:29 NekoGloop ahem, you really want to start that?
02:29 Gambit FSF zealousy is absolutely not how you promote a FOSS project.
02:29 Kacey idk ive started drama already
02:29 NekoGloop Was i promoting the project?
02:29 Gambit Kacey: You need be more ESR than RMS.
02:29 NekoGloop No, just the channel.
02:29 Kacey more would be fun but there would be a /kick following
02:29 mauvebic http://goo.gl/Wg6NS
02:29 NekoGloop ;-)
02:30 VanessaE fwiw, I have a KICK ASS conifers + jungletrees mod in the works :-)
02:30 NekoGloop Sweet.
02:30 Kacey nice
02:30 Uberi VanessaE: make jungle plants gen again somehow around the trees!
02:30 VanessaE I will.
02:30 NekoGloop She'll just use the same perlin as the jungle grass does.
02:30 Uberi then the jungle tree saplings could randomly spawn jungle grass around them, making jungle grass renewable
02:30 NakedFury bad PR for minetest this thing brought us
02:30 * Kacey is going to go code something or other for a while
02:31 VanessaE NekoGloop: spot on :-)
02:31 VanessaE however, there are some biome limits on the trees that aren't applied to grass.
02:31 Gambit I've been keeping an eye on minetest since way way back when it was first announced - before #minecraft was even a channel yet - and I look forward to seeing where it goes. Please all crack down on the assholes within your community, and best of luck. Bye.
02:31 Gambit left #minetest
02:31 NekoGloop This ^
02:31 mauvebic just one?
02:32 NekoGloop just one what.
02:32 mauvebic lol
02:32 Uberi well he was very civil
02:32 NekoGloop He is very civil.
02:32 NekoGloop Much more than most other people i've met irl or in irc.
02:32 mauvebic simple solution, kick people who gloat about spamming other channels, any
02:33 NekoGloop so kick kaeza.
02:33 NekoGloop :-)
02:33 * Kacey is back from his popcorn break
02:33 mauvebic in future
02:33 kaeza lolwut
02:33 NekoGloop We could use a /topic with some actual rules in it.
02:33 Kacey i wasn't spamming
02:33 mauvebic cuz if you let it slide here, eventually theyll let it slide for their users too...
02:34 mauvebic and they outnumber us
02:34 Uberi yeah I don't see any rules in the topic
02:35 kaeza I just asked why they banned everyone who mentioned minetest (spamming or not) and Gambit just went "fck you"
02:35 mauvebic thats because some of our users have been doing this for a while now
02:35 NekoGloop They remember me, whether they remember me as me or not.
02:35 mauvebic and it really doesn't give free software a good name
02:36 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/moretrees
02:36 VanessaE \:D/
02:36 marktraceur mauvebic: To hear most people tell it, nobody gives free software a good name :/
02:36 mauvebic and that excuses spamming the MC channels?
02:36 marktraceur VanessaE: I do not understand your emoticon
02:36 marktraceur mauvebic: No, I was just saying.
02:36 VanessaE marktraceur: :D with raised arms.  it's \o/ times 10.
02:36 VanessaE :-)
02:36 kaeza lol marktraceur
02:37 NekoGloop It's generally a trollface, marktraceur
02:37 mauvebic when it comes to free software, we have to deal with our own lot first lol
02:37 VanessaE um, not in this case :-)
02:37 marktraceur *nod*
02:37 NekoGloop In that usage it represents extreme happiness.
02:37 VanessaE it's a YAY!!!! face. :-)
02:37 kaeza VanessaE: err... no README?
02:37 marktraceur mauvebic: I'm much more interested in getting this community to treat newcomers with friendliness, as opposed to getting #minecraft to not be dicks
02:37 VanessaE working on it.
02:37 VanessaE kaeza: ^
02:37 Exio VanessaE: \o\ \o| |o/ /o/ |o| \o/
02:37 Exio :P
02:38 kaeza /o
02:38 Exio /o\
02:38 kaeza (o
02:38 Kacey <o salute
02:38 marktraceur .o. ,o, -o- \o/ -o- ,o, .o. (do the wave!)
02:38 VanessaE there, now it has a readme :-)
02:38 NekoGloop <o> relaxing on the couch.
02:38 mauvebic our players are spamming their channels and we're being dicks?
02:38 mauvebic *theyre
02:38 marktraceur NekoGloop: Or anime gangster walk
02:39 VanessaE (shamelessly stolen from the comments at the top of init.lua :D )
02:39 NekoGloop Haha.
02:39 kaeza VanessaE: +10000000
02:39 kaeza +10000000 to RBA too :D
02:39 Kacey |o| falling down a water slide
02:39 marktraceur mauvebic: Well, if you ban someone for simply mentioning minetest, yeah, you're being a dick. Obviously whoever is spamming the channel is also a dick, but so is anyone who generalizes like that.
02:39 kaeza marktraceur: agreed
02:40 mauvebic perhaps they associate minetest with spam and zealotry
02:40 kaeza that's what actually happened to me right now
02:40 marktraceur *shrug*
02:41 marktraceur mauvebic: I'd guess it's more likely that they simply don't like the competition being in their channel. But that's just a theory.
02:41 mauvebic all i know is since i joined minetest people have been bragging about spamming their channels so im not surprised they react this way now
02:41 kaeza Gambit responded "F you", I asked him to not insult me, he called me a$$hole, so I called him a$$hole, ???, prof...err..ban
02:42 NekoGloop Generally you should keep minetest in #minetest and minecraft in #minecraft
02:42 NekoGloop I cant; i'm banned :-)
02:42 mauvebic well yeah but some people see it as a battle to convert people from MC
02:43 kaeza NekoGloop: yes, so you suggest we should ban anyone who tlks about MC? no. Just the spammers
02:43 kaeza talks*
02:43 Gambit joined #minetest
02:43 mauvebic MC is a commercial product
02:43 marktraceur kaeza: This is exactly my policy, yes.
02:43 Uberi we're discussing the spam issue in #minecraft, right now
02:44 NekoGloop Gasp
02:44 NekoGloop Something productive happening in #minecraft
02:44 Kacey it wasnt spamm
02:44 Kacey spam*
02:44 NekoGloop World is going to end.
02:44 mauvebic do you seriously think a commercial product will give you space to advertise the competition?
02:44 kaeza marktraceur: about banning MC users? or the spammers?
02:44 marktraceur kaeza: I don't ban people, obviously, for talking about Minecraft. We would have nobody in the channel if I did.
02:45 mauvebic go talk about star wars on a star trek forum
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02:45 Kacey that is fun lol
02:45 mauvebic yeah well, there's also a correlation between shit-disturbing and griefing
02:46 mauvebic after all, they dont have to pay to come grief our shit lol
02:46 Kacey i never see Kray talk...
02:47 NekoGloop That's cuz he doesnt.
02:47 kaeza neither half of the user list for that matter
02:47 mauvebic seriously lol
02:47 Gambit There's not going to be any "retribution". lol. Here's the thing these spammers don't realize. #minecraft is a channel on freenode for a cross platform java game.
02:47 Uberi I always wonder about that
02:47 Gambit Half of us are linux users.
02:47 Gambit Probably a quarter of us are FOSS devs.
02:48 Gambit They're not accomplishing anything.
02:48 marktraceur Probably 80% or more are GNU users, I'd imagine :)
02:48 mauvebic not all of us are immature (<18)
02:48 Kacey if Notch and c55 were to talk on irc i wonder what woulld happen...
02:48 * marktraceur speculates wildly to make not much of a point
02:48 Kacey would*
02:48 Exio mauvebic: "immature" isn't the same as "<18"
02:49 NekoGloop Kacey: You've said that before, and i have said that nothing would come of it before.
02:49 Uberi definitely, Exio
02:49 Kacey no i havent...
02:49 NekoGloop Gambit: Round here, that number is closer to 90% linux users.
02:49 mauvebic and were converting more ubuntu users every day lol
02:49 Kacey it was 89%bbut then i found linux
02:49 Gambit Yeah well, #minecraft attracts all the redditors too >_>
02:49 kaeza Gambit: except for NekoGloop.
02:50 * kaeza gives NekoGloop a linux CD
02:50 NekoGloop Me, jordach, and one other person whose name escapes me.
02:50 * mauvebic gives kaeza an AOL cd
02:50 NekoGloop The only people here who use windows.
02:50 kaeza DO NOT WANT!!!
02:50 mauvebic but you can use it as a coaster
02:50 * Kacey hands himself a live usb
02:50 kaeza lol
02:50 kaeza AOL?
02:51 mauvebic i still have some of those lying around lol
02:51 Uberi whoa
02:51 NekoGloop kaeza: The reason i dont use linux is because it doesnt load.
02:51 Uberi does the 30 day trial still work?
02:51 mauvebic doubtful but some of them come with IE 4!
02:51 kaeza Uberi: I lol'd
02:51 mauvebic lol
02:52 mauvebic i even have one of those big floppies
02:52 Uberi IE4 is the best browser ever!
02:52 kaeza NekoGloop: what do you mean by 'doesn't load'?
02:52 Uberi it makes the malware author's job effortless!
02:52 NekoGloop As in it doesnt load? ;-)
02:52 kaeza boot* ?
02:52 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4394
02:52 VanessaE \o/
02:52 NekoGloop No, it simply doesnt load that it exists.
02:52 NekoGloop Also, who killed moltenbot.
02:53 Kacey Gambit: i once tryed to sign up for MC but then i realized it cost 30 dollars...
02:53 mauvebic mr peacock, in the library, with the pipe-wrench
02:53 NekoGloop 26.95*
02:53 NekoGloop IIRC.
02:53 Kacey $30
02:53 NekoGloop Idk, it's on the giftcard i bought for me :3
02:53 * Kacey has no money
02:53 kaeza NekoGloop: it's ignoring VanessaE
02:54 kaeza :P
02:54 VanessaE kaeza: at my request.
02:54 Uberi can I get it to ignore me too?
02:54 NekoGloop That's obvious by the fact that you are using linux and minetest, Kacey.
02:54 NekoGloop ;-)
02:54 kaeza VanessaE: BTW +10000000 again
02:54 kaeza gotta try that
02:55 Kacey but i hae a $100 usb stick
02:55 * NekoGloop randomly puts another kitten on Gambit's head
02:55 VanessaE Uberi: ask iqualfragile
02:55 Uberi will do
02:55 * mauvebic puts on black stockings
02:56 kaeza can I get moltenbot to ignore me? I want to post this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
02:56 moltenbot kaeza's link: Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up - YouTube
02:56 kaeza d*mn moltenbot
02:56 * Kacey finds a pouch of catnip
02:57 Uberi heheheh
02:57 * Kacey waves it in front of NekoGloop
02:57 * mauvebic does weird cat noises
02:57 NekoGloop You want it to ignore you?
02:57 * mauvebic pukes a hairball
02:57 NekoGloop Get ipv6
02:57 Uberi I would, but it costs extra for my ISP
02:57 NekoGloop Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Gl9gPdG2w
02:58 NekoGloop Uberi: iPad: the only thing good about it is auto ipv6
02:58 Uberi hey VanessaE, does that have separate saplings for each type of tree?
02:58 mauvebic and it makes an attractive cheese-cutting board
02:58 VanessaE Uberi: yes
02:58 Kacey NekoGloop: do you want the catnip or not?
02:59 VanessaE damn map generator is SOOOOOO SLOOOOOW lately...and this is single player mode...
02:59 * Kacey must go to bed now
03:00 VanessaE (and my code isn't actually executing that much)
03:00 Uberi VanessaE: spawn_tree is a bit slower than I imagined
03:01 VanessaE Uberi: actually it's very very fast
03:02 VanessaE what's slow is getting the map loaded in the first place so there's something for them to spawn on :-)
03:03 Exio are you using the new tree API?
03:03 VanessaE yup
03:03 Exio :P nice
03:04 kaeza joined #minetest
03:04 kaeza dafuq? modem is acting weird again...
03:05 mauvebic marmalade
03:05 mauvebic it fixes everything
03:06 VanessaE kaeza: when isn't it?
03:07 mauvebic try renewing your IP the ddos might stop lol
03:07 Topic for #minetest is now Please, be courteous, here and in other channels. This isn't a playground. | IRC: Be patient; get to know the rules | HOME: http://minetest.net | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | STATUS: http://servers.minetest.ru/ | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
03:07 moltenbot marktraceur's link: About - Minetest
03:08 mauvebic sweet
03:09 marktraceur The topic change is my way of saying "misbehave here, I'll take action; misbehave elsewhere while you representing this project, I'll still take action"
03:09 marktraceur "while you're"*
03:09 mauvebic the penalty is chemical castration
03:09 marktraceur mauvebic: Well, digital castration. +q.
03:09 mauvebic so unless you want to be like justin bieber, behave
03:10 NekoGloop FALCON PAWNCH.
03:10 * NekoGloop random
03:10 mauvebic though you people are so much more tactful than i would be lol
03:11 marktraceur mauvebic: You learn to be tactful as you interact more with people, I think
03:11 mauvebic poppycock, the world needs asses like me :p lol
03:12 mauvebic its usually the asses who die the oldest too lol
03:13 mauvebic my great grandfather used to shoot in the general vicinity of any sollicitors who came near his property, by comparison im pretty sociable lol
03:14 marktraceur mauvebic: I'm considering something like that. I mean, I'll use airsoft, but still.
03:14 mauvebic airsoft?
03:14 marktraceur mauvebic: It's like paintball, except less cartoon-like
03:14 marktraceur mauvebic: Small BBs that don't penetrate skin
03:15 mauvebic ive been shoot with a bb gun lol it burns
03:15 marktraceur Yeah, that's a bad plan mmkay
03:15 marktraceur mauvebic: Airsoft at close range hurts like a bitch, too
03:15 mauvebic you get that many solicitors?
03:17 mauvebic out in the country i dont get many tradespeople knocking but the fucking jehovas and missionaries drive me nuts lol
03:17 mauvebic it borders on harassment sometimes lol
03:18 mauvebic they seem to assume low rent = low IQ
03:18 marktraceur mauvebic: No, but I also intend to implement this plan w/r/t other people who enter my property. I may engineer parts of that situation, too.
03:19 mauvebic put a sign that says "Please Use Other Door" lol
03:21 kaeza1 joined #minetest
03:22 NakedFury "solicitors and religious people use side door"
03:22 Uberi|Away who says airsoft doesn't penetrate skin!?
03:23 mauvebic thank god i havent had a landline in years because my family never stops bitching about telemarketting and robocalls
03:23 mauvebic fancy that, paying to be harassed lol
03:23 marktraceur NakedFury: Like I'm going to let in religious people. Please. They can't be trusted.
03:23 * marktraceur kids
03:23 mauvebic like paying for cable to watch 15 minutes of commercials and 19 minutes of story
03:23 NakedFury anyone using the side door is to be shot on sight
03:24 mauvebic electrify the handle
03:24 Uberi put chunky peanut butter on it
03:24 marktraceur mauvebic: Something tells me that might be slightly illegal
03:24 NakedFury mauvebic its 44 minutes of shows and the rest commercials. or 22 minutes of shows and rest commercial
03:24 mauvebic only if there are witnesses
03:24 marktraceur Or, you know, a body
03:25 NakedFury place a sign that says handle has current
03:25 mauvebic pig farms
03:25 NakedFury people will touch it
03:25 * marktraceur remembers that Criminal Minds episode
03:25 marktraceur Freaky-ass shit
03:25 * kaeza takes note not to mess with mauvebic
03:25 mauvebic lol
03:25 kaeza :P
03:26 mauvebic well some of my family arent in south america by choice lol
03:26 NakedFury those shows never feature a murderer from out of state, its always crimes of passions
03:26 Uberi or put a bear trap as the door bell, maybe
03:26 Uberi "push here to ring bell"
03:27 mauvebic my father was one of those crooked business fucks from the 90s lol
03:28 VanessaE can someone help me out with the moretrees mod, to tune the intervals and chance values I'm using in the spawning and growing ABMs for the trees?  I'm not convinced that I did it right :-)
03:32 mauvebic did you poke RBA?
03:32 VanessaE already did, I guess he's at work now.
03:32 VanessaE or asleep
03:32 mauvebic did you try poking with a blunt object?
03:32 VanessaE I forget his schedule
03:32 Uberi VanessaE: are the tree abms using the same values as the current trees?
03:32 mauvebic lol :p
03:32 * mauvebic bludgeons
03:33 mauvebic guess he's not there
03:33 VanessaE Uberi: no, I toned them down quite sharply some time ago, this is what I was using last in the old mods.
03:33 * Uberi gives mauvebic a pointy stick
03:33 mauvebic im not crazy about full nodes as branches
03:34 Uberi yeah, but smaller facedir nodeboxes that drop sticks are... actually not a bad idea!
03:34 mauvebic use the autoplace code for pipes for branches
03:34 VanessaE Uberi: patches welcome :-)
03:35 * Uberi is trying to do work but reddit
03:35 mauvebic i got star trek and beer distracting me
03:35 NakedFury good distraction
03:35 mauvebic and the other beers keep calling to me
03:35 NakedFury TNG or Voyager?
03:35 mauvebic theyre cold and frightened and its dark in the refrigirator
03:36 mauvebic TNG
03:36 Uberi the irresistable siren song
03:36 leo_rockway TNG <3
03:36 mauvebic its funny how they keep using the same actors as extras for different aliens lol
03:36 leo_rockway we draw the line HERE!
03:37 mauvebic michael dorn has appeared as 3 different klingons lol
03:37 kaeza VanessaE: how are junges generated?
03:37 kaeza jungles*
03:37 VanessaE kaeza: very sloppily :D
03:37 mauvebic odo played a starfleet colonel in star trek 6
03:37 kaeza lol
03:37 mauvebic sisko's daddy was also in star trek 6 playing an admiral
03:37 leo_rockway mauvebic: in TOS, Sarek was previously a Romulan commander...
03:37 VanessaE kaeza: trees grow only near water, and only on grass, and only at low elevations, and only if the body of water is large enough
03:38 VanessaE jungle trees that is.
03:38 mauvebic lwaxana troy: the computer voice: the nurse in TOS
03:38 VanessaE they grow, as NekoGloop predicted, in the same perlin biomes as jungle grass
03:38 mauvebic she died recently (rip)
03:38 Uberi VanessaE: low elevations? what kind of low elevations?
03:38 VanessaE Uberi: -5 to +15.
03:39 VanessaE I might need to tweak that though
03:39 kaeza found one
03:39 kaeza a jungle grasss sapling :D
03:39 kaeza -s
03:39 leo_rockway mauvebic: Martok was also the shapeshifter Laas in DS9...
03:39 VanessaE er, jungle grass sapling?  heh
03:39 leo_rockway mauvebic: she died!? v.v
03:39 VanessaE Majel Barrett?
03:39 kaeza s/grass/tree/
03:39 kaeza lol
03:39 Uberi VanessaE: please do, my sky base isn't the same without a lush forest :)
03:40 mauvebic daughter of the fifth house, holder of the sacred chalice of Rixx and heir to the holy rings of betazed, may she rest in peace :p
03:40 VanessaE Uberi: if you plant jungle tree saplings, they'll grow anywhere.  They just won't spawn outside of that elevation range
03:40 Uberi ah, thanks
03:40 leo_rockway mauvebic: wife of Gene...
03:41 mauvebic gene's death really destroyed the flow of new ideas to star trek tho
03:41 leo_rockway yes
03:42 leo_rockway DS9 had too much war and violence. It was a decent show, but it was only ST in name...
03:42 leo_rockway Voyager was plain awful
03:42 leo_rockway I haven't watched Enterprise
03:42 leo_rockway sorry for the OT o.o
03:42 NakedFury they need a new show
03:43 leo_rockway I haven't watched the new movie either.
03:43 VanessaE NakedFury: I wish..
03:43 leo_rockway there were discussions about a Worf ST
03:43 VanessaE leo_rockway: it was good if you're willing to throw out star trek canon in favor of a new idea.
03:43 kaeza 100% cool & natural: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_579470235.jpg
03:43 NakedFury also they need to not fix all problems with talking and killing the red jacket crew I think
03:44 VanessaE kaeza: weird
03:44 mauvebic any future star trek show should have much less to do with humans and starfleet in general
03:44 Uberi kaeza: I think those overhangs are awesome :)
03:44 mauvebic after 3 shows the hippie bullshit is a little much
03:44 leo_rockway VanessaE: the ending felt so rushed... and they kept showing the guys from the future complaining about the temporal prime directive, yet they never show up in the last episode.
03:44 Uberi adds character to the world
03:45 leo_rockway mauvebic: Captain Worf should be fun...
03:45 mauvebic the ds9 war was actually nice because it had some dark aspects to it
03:45 leo_rockway http://screenrant.com/star-trek-captain-worf-tv-show-michael-dorn/
03:45 kaeza Uberi: I have a ton of screenshots like these. I love to go into the wild and take photos at interesting land formations.
03:45 mauvebic ive read it
03:46 mauvebic i doubt ittl happen
03:46 mauvebic worf was ok but taken by himself abit stuffy and distant
03:46 kaeza Uberi: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1058897008.png
03:46 leo_rockway worf felt a bit out of place in DS9, to me.
03:46 mauvebic 7 seasons of people trying to get him to open up? thanks but no thanks lol
03:46 Uberi heheh, silly sand
03:47 Uberi the underground lakes and rivers are breathtaking
03:47 mauvebic what they should do is set it 100 or 200 years further into the future
03:47 NakedFury ^ like that idea
03:47 mauvebic they do time travel so much anyhow it might as well be "normal"
03:47 leo_rockway mauvebic: Star Trek: Ferenginar
03:47 leo_rockway o.o
03:48 NakedFury Star Trek: The Republic
03:48 mauvebic they never really showed the borg's end or beginning, so time travelling would be cool to settle that once and for all
03:48 kaeza also, FOREVER ALONE! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1497286901.jpg
03:48 mauvebic some people theorize the borg is actually V'ger from the first movie
03:49 leo_rockway I haven't watched the TOS movies
03:49 kaeza Uberi: and a last one for now: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1538663744.jpg
03:49 mauvebic though the first movie isn't really a movie, it was the first few episodes of a cancelled series put together lol
03:49 mauvebic which is why it goes on forever lol
03:49 NakedFury the borg are like tame Daleks
03:49 leo_rockway they turned it into a movie because of Star Wars
03:49 mauvebic ugh doctor who
03:49 Uberi kaeza: you should make a base out of that
03:49 leo_rockway the borg are like replicators from SG1
03:49 NakedFury doctor who is the eternal hippie
03:49 Uberi on my old world I hollowed out a natural mountain for that
03:50 NekoGloop NakedFury: Because he knows what will be cool ;-)
03:50 leo_rockway and I like what they do with the replicators in SG1
03:50 mauvebic ugh stargate
03:50 mauvebic im canadian and i cant stand that show lol
03:50 NakedFury why!
03:51 NakedFury come on we have few space shows, we got to stick together here
03:51 NakedFury safe the shows from cancellation
03:51 mauvebic babylon 5 was even more atrocious
03:51 NakedFury save
03:51 kaeza Uberi: it's too small to be useful
03:51 mauvebic the ridiculous hairdos
03:51 mauvebic the bad cgi
03:51 OldCoder Hi
03:51 kaeza it's like 5x10
03:51 NakedFury I loved farscape
03:52 kaeza hi OldCoder
03:52 NekoGloop babylon 5 was awesome
03:52 OldCoder Yep
03:52 mauvebic with that blue skank? no wonder they played that early in the 'evening lol
03:52 NekoGloop inb4 hate
03:52 OldCoder I have been in meetings
03:52 OldCoder and am going out now
03:52 OldCoder But...
03:52 OldCoder WTF was Gambit doing here?
03:52 Uberi hey OldCoder
03:52 OldCoder Gambit, Are you here?
03:52 OldCoder Uberi, Hi!
03:52 kaeza :o
03:52 Gambit OldCoder: Hey.
03:52 OldCoder Hi!
03:52 OldCoder Let's PM
03:52 Uberi OldCoder: we were discussing the spam issue in #minecraft
03:52 Uberi sure
03:53 OldCoder Uberi, I will PM with Gambit and see what is up
03:53 NekoGloop Ah, here's the one Gambit can have intelligent conversation.
03:53 OldCoder Gambit is AFK
03:53 OldCoder Let me scroll up and look at this more closely
03:53 OldCoder *scroll*
03:54 Gambit semi-AFK
03:54 mauvebic basically one of our guys spammed their channel again
03:54 NekoGloop Gambit is always afk :P
03:54 NakedFury someone went to troll and mess in minecrafts channel
03:54 Gambit OldCoder: Basically the random spam in #minecraft continues, and one of us finally had the brilliant idea reaching out to you all :)
03:54 Gambit (It was me! :o)
03:54 Uberi o/
03:54 OldCoder Gambit, Good. But do you remember what happened...
03:55 OldCoder Gambit, the last time I made somebody from here apologize to your channel? You REDACTED banned me!
03:55 OldCoder O_o
03:55 * OldCoder shrugs
03:55 OldCoder Let me review further... Peaceful relations are good
03:55 NekoGloop lol, nice censor.
03:55 OldCoder Seriously, that was annoying
03:55 OldCoder Gambit, Hang on. I am reading up for a minute.
03:55 mauvebic perhaps we could install a red phone in celeron55's and notch's residences?
03:56 Uberi heheheh
03:56 kaeza lolol
03:56 Gambit OldCoder: Mortvert got a bit trigger happy.
03:56 OldCoder Indeed D:
03:56 OldCoder But we wish
03:56 OldCoder Peace and Harmony
03:56 Gambit He's like our grumpy old man.
03:56 OldCoder Teach All the World to Sing
03:56 OldCoder etc.
03:56 OldCoder Hold on
03:56 NekoGloop Gambit: Ya think? Ever since i happened in the channel ;)
03:56 OldCoder To save you time, let me read up
03:56 Uberi Gambit: can't go too far without your own grumpy old man
03:56 mauvebic dont worry gambit, we've already threatened to chemically castrate whoever misbehaves
03:57 Uberi OldCoder: except the deaf and the mute, those guys can just watch
03:57 NakedFury this ridiculous "raids" from minetest fanatics have to end
03:57 mauvebic minetest children
03:57 OldCoder Is this basically about Kacey?
03:57 leo_rockway joined #minetest
03:57 OldCoder No actual war with 1000s of casualities
03:57 Uberi nah, kacey's example was relatively tame
03:57 NekoGloop kaeza was the one doing it :P
03:57 OldCoder Bodies piling up?
03:57 OldCoder kaeza? He's pretty mild mannered here
03:57 kaeza ...me?
03:57 mauvebic no we disposed of those
03:57 Uberi apparently landmine was there too, OldCoder
03:57 Gambit That was the most recent one, but not that bad.
03:57 OldCoder Heh
03:58 mauvebic well landmine we can't do anything about
03:58 OldCoder LM is a force of nature
03:58 mauvebic unless one of you wants to drive him out into the country?
03:58 NekoGloop Gambit: Well seeing as i cant even *join* #minecraft, what went down?
03:58 Uberi I don't have a car, mauvebic
03:58 mauvebic i let the chauffeur have the rolls :(
03:58 OldCoder Sorry, Gambit... for that one you're on your own. But we'll talk to the others
03:58 OldCoder Gambit, what's the deal though with banning all nicks that even have minetest in the name?
03:59 OldCoder That seems a bit...
03:59 OldCoder Hmm
03:59 OldCoder Nuts :-)
03:59 mauvebic its probably a ban on advertising
03:59 Gambit That was a proposed solution.
03:59 Uberi probably as a response to the spamming
03:59 OldCoder I figured
03:59 Gambit It hasn't been implemented as far as I know.
03:59 OldCoder But it happened a week or two back
03:59 Uberi a preemptive strike, so to speak
03:59 OldCoder John of Minetest
03:59 OldCoder said it was to target him
03:59 OldCoder Claimed he had not done anything
03:59 mauvebic well oldcoder, people have been doing this on/off for a while now
03:59 OldCoder But let's move on
03:59 OldCoder mauvebic, all right
03:59 mauvebic at least a year
03:59 OldCoder Down to brass tacks...
03:59 OldCoder Put aside LM
03:59 OldCoder Is the other issue Kacey?
04:00 Gambit If we did it, it'd be just like any other spam filter.
04:00 OldCoder Who I see called himself minetesttroll D:
04:00 OldCoder Is the other issue Kacey?
04:00 Uberi OldCoder: I really doubt kacey will be a problem
04:00 mauvebic no just tell her to behave
04:00 OldCoder Well, aside from LM, what is the primary issue today?
04:00 OldCoder Her?
04:00 Gambit Like we'd ban *viagra*!@*
04:00 mauvebic him?
04:00 Gambit If that were a problem.
04:00 mauvebic it?
04:00 OldCoder I believe Kacey is a he
04:00 Uberi OldCoder: well mainly to get rid of the weekly spammings of #minecraft
04:00 OldCoder Gambit, who or what was the issue today?
04:00 OldCoder Aside from LM?
04:01 OldCoder Weekly I'd not heard of
04:01 OldCoder That will be looked at next
04:01 OldCoder But was there an issue today?
04:01 NekoGloop Maybe you should give him a chance to type...
04:01 Gambit Kacey came in and the first thing out of their mouth was "Hey you know what's better than Minecraft?"
04:01 OldCoder All right
04:01 OldCoder So it was Kacey
04:01 mauvebic destroy her
04:01 OldCoder Say, Kacey, suppose you could chill a bit?
04:01 mauvebic him
04:01 Gambit I think they've been thoroughly told off at this point. :)
04:02 OldCoder Gambit, Who has?
04:02 Gambit Kacey.
04:02 OldCoder Then you are satisfied for now?
04:02 OldCoder LM aside?
04:02 OldCoder If there are weekly raids
04:02 mauvebic but... what about the Romulans?
04:02 Gambit kaeza was also in there and said some things that implied this is organized :|
04:02 OldCoder Uh huh
04:02 Uberi I'd say we reached a good agreement, yes
04:02 kaeza Gambit: that's not true
04:02 OldCoder Gambit, I know kaeza and don't consider him part of that
04:02 OldCoder There is no agreement yet
04:02 OldCoder But there is an expression of good will
04:02 OldCoder Peace on Earth etc.
04:03 NekoGloop Gambit: While i dont generally follow this, a few of them do seem to be "tagteaming" your channel, so to speak.
04:03 OldCoder But there WILL be a MT Wikipedia article D:
04:03 Gambit 01-09 21:09:22| <undercoveragent> some of us (myself *NOT* included) are trolling #minecraft because you ban us for the mere action of mentioning Minetest. Why can't we get along? We *don't* ban those who mention MC! We joke a bit, yes, but are more or less like "meh. If you like it, play it.".
04:03 Uberi OldCoder: definitely!
04:03 OldCoder Gambit, that seems fair
04:03 OldCoder Gambit, see that's the deal...
04:03 OldCoder Listen please...
04:03 OldCoder Gambit, In your channel, two of us just MENTIONED a kid
04:03 OldCoder who was admittedly a handful
04:03 OldCoder He was the one who came there
04:03 OldCoder and said
04:03 OldCoder "Gay Bitches!"
04:03 OldCoder "Gay Bitches!"
04:03 OldCoder "Gay Bitches!"
04:04 OldCoder Not much of a way to make friends O_o
04:04 OldCoder We mentioned we knew him
04:04 OldCoder And your guy did a mass ban
04:04 OldCoder More than one of you
04:04 OldCoder Is Trigger Finger Itchy
04:04 NekoGloop Gah, i hate it when my screen randomly increases brightness.
04:04 Gambit Well you have to consider it from our side.
04:04 OldCoder Uh huh
04:04 Gambit That's *all* we see of the Minetest community.
04:04 OldCoder Go on
04:04 Gambit Is those people.
04:04 OldCoder Yeah... Look at the part you just quoted
04:04 Uberi NekoGloop: I finally figured out it was because of ambient light auto adjust
04:04 OldCoder If that was kaeza
04:04 OldCoder You are conflating kaeza with the attackers
04:05 OldCoder Because he commented
04:05 OldCoder And was possibly trying to build understanding
04:05 OldCoder Not a good start
04:05 OldCoder If there are random attacks
04:05 OldCoder Get us more information
04:05 OldCoder And discussions will be held here
04:05 OldCoder But again for LM you are on your own
04:05 OldCoder
04:05 NekoGloop Can we all just agree to talk about minecraft in #minecraft and minetest in #minetest (or other minetest channels)
04:05 OldCoder Gambit, do these remarks settle the matter for today?
04:05 Gambit The use of plural pronouns there was troubling.
04:06 OldCoder Gambit, where?
04:06 Gambit OldCoder: yeah everything is fine for now
04:06 OldCoder All right
04:06 Uberi it's the royal "we", Gambit :P
04:06 Gambit Heh
04:06 mauvebic dont i feel like a queen
04:06 OldCoder Kacey seems to have left
04:06 OldCoder or renicked
04:06 Uberi it's a habit I find myself slipping into as well
04:06 OldCoder Gambit, feel free to chill
04:06 NekoGloop Gambit == #minecraft's OldCoder ;-)
04:06 OldCoder Don't expect me to bring people to apologize again though
04:06 OldCoder Unless you promise I won't be banned for doing so
04:06 OldCoder Seriously
04:07 OldCoder Gambit, I'd offer you virtual cake now
04:07 OldCoder But others here are better than that
04:07 * OldCoder offers Gambit virtual cake anywayh
04:07 Gambit there were a bunch of minetest ops hanging out in there shortly after I came over here; we had a big talk
04:07 OldCoder It's better than all these kittens
04:07 OldCoder Did the talk help?
04:07 NekoGloop Heh :3
04:07 Gambit yeah I dunno why we didn't think of coming to you guys sooner
04:07 Gambit Probably again the perception problem.
04:07 OldCoder Gambit, Mark T is a good person
04:08 OldCoder Gambit, Not everybody here is 14 years old you know
04:08 Gambit When 100% of the minetest users we see are spammers, that's the picture that begins to form.
04:08 OldCoder Uh huh
04:08 NekoGloop Now... Can i be unbanned in #minecraft :-(
04:08 OldCoder Well, now you know
04:08 mauvebic ive been around since 1485
04:08 Gambit NekoGloop: I asked about your ban because I didn't remember it.
04:08 OldCoder And Knowing is half the battle :P
04:08 Gambit Apparently it was for "OS warring"
04:08 OldCoder Heh
04:08 * OldCoder laughs
04:08 OldCoder On the bright side, Gambit...
04:08 NekoGloop Yep, that would be me. Just ask around ;-)
04:08 Uberi OS warring is still something unresolved here
04:08 OldCoder One of you said most bans are pretty temporary
04:08 OldCoder Is that true?
04:09 Gambit Probably one of the typical "Drop this topic now because I said so." times.
04:09 Gambit OldCoder: We frequently have to clear our ban list
04:09 Gambit It fills up with spammers from various things.
04:09 NekoGloop Is frequently every 6 months or so
04:09 Gambit Minetest, terraria, people that just hate minecraft
04:09 Gambit Apparently there's a max size to the ban list.
04:09 NekoGloop Wait you guys seriously get terraria douches?
04:09 OldCoder NekoGloop, I was told it was much more frequent
04:09 Gambit And we hit it constantly.
04:09 Gambit NekoGloop: The terraria spammers are much more sophistocated.
04:10 Gambit They have bot networks.
04:10 Gambit *sophisticated
04:10 OldCoder Uh... Why?
04:10 NekoGloop Heh.
04:10 OldCoder Why go after MC to that extent?
04:10 mauvebic some of our people are developing bots too, with nuclear-tipped bot-heads
04:10 Gambit Like they'll come in 2 dozen at a time and spam rapid fire until they get klined.
04:10 OldCoder Heh
04:10 Uberi terraria and MC complement each other nicely
04:10 OldCoder If so
04:10 OldCoder Why the apparent battle to the death?
04:10 * OldCoder shrugs
04:11 Uberi OldCoder: why are there holy wars over text editors?
04:11 OldCoder Gambit, maybe you should hang out *here* more
04:11 NakedFury terrari fans envy us for continued development and the third dimension
04:11 NakedFury terraria
04:11 Gambit Well my theory might offend a lot of people, but:
04:11 OldCoder Uberi, why... because text editors are holy of course
04:11 Uberi NakedFury: totally, our gameplay adds a whole new dimension to it! :P
04:11 Gambit The Minecraft community is already shitty.
04:11 mauvebic howcome?
04:11 OldCoder Gambit, Odd thing to say
04:11 Gambit Now you throw in people that want Minecraft, but can't afford it.
04:11 Gambit And FSF zealots.
04:11 OldCoder Hm?
04:11 Uberi Gambit: I would disagree with you there
04:11 mauvebic i can afford it, i just like beer better
04:11 OldCoder mauvebic, I really like you :-)
04:12 OldCoder You've made me laugh pretty often
04:12 Gambit The Minecraft forums are a shithole.
04:12 OldCoder Gambit, you are an op there
04:12 Gambit Something to do with this genre.
04:12 OldCoder Shouldn't you be saying, like...
04:12 OldCoder "Our forums are grand and marvelous" ?
04:12 Uberi Gambit: like every community, it's got its good places, and the Detroit places
04:12 OldCoder That's blunt
04:12 NekoGloop But true.
04:12 OldCoder Yep
04:12 Gambit OldCoder: #minecraft is a very small, well moderated chunk of the minecraft community
04:13 OldCoder Ah
04:13 OldCoder O.K.
04:13 OldCoder Possibly too moderated
04:13 Gambit The official channel is on espernet
04:13 Gambit And it's a shithole.
04:13 NakedFury IT IS
04:13 OldCoder Oh?
04:13 Uberi Gambit: there's an official MC channel!?
04:13 NekoGloop that channel should be called #off-topic xD
04:13 NakedFury god its always offtopic disccusions and crap
04:13 * leo_rockway doesn't now terraria...
04:13 OldCoder leo_rockway, IIRC it is a Flatland Minecraft
04:13 Uberi leo_rockway: it is well worth the price
04:13 NekoGloop I mean, seriously, AN MC DEV HANGS OUT IN THE UNOFFICIAL ONE.
04:13 OldCoder Gambit, why don't you hang out here more often?
04:14 Uberi if you want to get a feel for the genre first, KAG is free to play, leo_rockway
04:14 Gambit I don't play Minetest.
04:14 OldCoder Gambit, No...
04:14 Gambit I will some day probably when it's more mature.
04:14 OldCoder as an ambassador
04:14 Gambit As software I mean.
04:14 OldCoder Gambit, My worlds are pretty good :-)
04:14 leo_rockway Uberi: I'm not a gamer. I'm also an FSF zealot.
04:14 Uberi we'll pay you in kittens
04:14 leo_rockway but thanks
04:14 OldCoder Guess how many worlds I run now
04:14 mauvebic wasn't notch planning on opensourcing MC at some point?
04:14 Gambit It's just not that appealing right now.
04:14 VanessaE Gambit: actually, it's gotten pretty good already.
04:14 Uberi leo_rockway: fair enough :)
04:14 Uberi mauvebic: jeb overturned it later
04:15 NekoGloop Gambit: Just, you need a good selection of mods, that's all ;)
04:15 Uberi mauvebic: "no plans to do so", etc., etc.
04:15 OldCoder Gambit, we offer you the role of ambassador
04:15 leo_rockway mauvebic: IIRC, he said he would when it was no longer popular...
04:15 Uberi yes, I might be a bit biased but Mesecons is superior to redstone in quite a few ways
04:15 OldCoder Gambit, I have an errand to run. Let's leave it at this...
04:15 Gambit VanessaE: I check up on it once in a while. Maybe I will again this weekend. :)
04:15 Uberi the Mesecons microcontrollers have no redstone equivalent, unfortunately
04:16 Gambit Like, as you can tell by my cloak, I love FOSS. :)
04:16 mauvebic you too, have a cloaking device?
04:16 NekoGloop Gambit: Oh and you would love mesecons.
04:16 mauvebic you and i, we could rule cardassia
04:16 Uberi Gambit: (mesecons is the equivalent of redstone for MT, fyi)
04:16 NekoGloop Gambit: Also you should try to see if you can contribute anything. Even textures. As you can see, the defaults are shit ;-)
04:16 leo_rockway mauvebic: treaty of algeron!
04:17 OldCoder Gambit, 1. You're offered an embassy here. 2. If Kacey trolls again we'll look into discipline. 3. Weekly raids will be discussed if they continue. 4. Try my 19 MT worlds :-) 5. We do plan to have a MT Wikipedia article.
04:17 OldCoder Gambit, that is my summary. We good here?
04:17 NekoGloop ... 19... o.O
04:17 OldCoder I need one more
04:17 Gambit Yeah, like I said, we talked things through a while ago.
04:17 mauvebic the ambassadorial post also includes the use of comfort women
04:17 Gambit I'm just chilling out in here.
04:17 OldCoder Gambit, fine
04:18 kaeza OldCoder: I was about to discuss your #20 world
04:18 OldCoder Dine on wine toe the line MT is fine
04:18 OldCoder kaeza, go on
04:18 * VanessaE steps back a bit, not to be confused with one of said "comfort" women.
04:18 NekoGloop In other words he's too lazy to /part. Which is fine with me ;)
04:18 Gambit I miss cia.vc :(
04:18 Uberi Gambit: you may receive your kittens from NekoGloop
04:18 Uberi there is a daily quota of 2
04:18 * OldCoder gives his pile of kittens to Gambit as a gesture of good will
04:18 VanessaE Gambit: on receipt of said kittens, you may at your leisure place them in OldCoder's pile.
04:18 kaeza OldCoder: may I PM?
04:18 OldCoder VanessaE, too late! :P
04:18 mauvebic well if no one else volunteers i suppose i could be gambit's comfort woman?
04:19 OldCoder They are Gambit's responsibility now
04:19 OldCoder kaeza, sure
04:19 NekoGloop Gambit: The kittens are an inside joke of sorts.
04:19 VanessaE OldCoder: we'll start a NEW pile then :-)
04:19 leo_rockway * [new branch]      jungleanddungeons -> origin/jungleanddungeons
04:19 leo_rockway o.o
04:19 VanessaE (or would that be a mew pile?)
04:19 OldCoder VanessaE, It will take a
04:19 Uberi :O
04:19 * OldCoder laughs
04:19 OldCoder Yes
04:19 OldCoder A Mew Pile
04:19 OldCoder AMewsing VanessaE
04:19 VanessaE haha
04:19 OldCoder You are Abusing but AMewsing
04:19 VanessaE I am not! :)
04:20 Gambit NekoGloop: I'll ask about undoing your ban this weekend
04:20 NekoGloop Currently the espernet minecraft channel is talking about computer science degrees.
04:20 Gambit Good night.
04:20 NekoGloop At least they are slightly ontopic.
04:20 OldCoder Gambit, we shall miss you
04:21 OldCoder You are not nearly
04:21 OldCoder Like the typical D: op over there
04:21 OldCoder No offense
04:21 Gambit There's a chillax old guard.
04:21 OldCoder Oh?
04:21 OldCoder What does chillax mean?
04:21 OldCoder They ice the blades
04:21 Gambit And there's overzealous newbies.
04:21 OldCoder Before burying them in people?
04:21 OldCoder Oh
04:22 OldCoder Well you have your invite for an embassy here
04:22 OldCoder I g2g being paged
04:22 OldCoder o/
04:22 Gambit But like I said, the grumpyness didn't happen spontaneously.
04:22 NekoGloop Also say hello to moltenbot, the link-grepping bot and Minetest-tan, the everything else bot, Gambit. :3
04:23 NekoGloop Hello Minetest-tan!
04:23 NekoGloop ... Hm, he must have disabled that.
04:23 Gambit NekoGloop: It's name is not as sexy as janebot. pfft
04:23 NekoGloop Gambit: Indeed.
04:23 Gambit (Say, ya'll need tweet reports? ;) )
04:24 NekoGloop Maybe if celeron *used* his twitter account xD
04:25 Gambit Interestingly I caught a lot of shit over kicking Kacey at first.
04:25 Gambit But they came back and proved me right. :\
04:25 kaeza !tw celeron55
04:25 Minetest-tan Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/celeron55?1357791932.68 (@celeron55)
04:25 kaeza ?
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04:25 kaeza !tw lkaezadl3
04:25 Minetest-tan @BoldCoder have found an old photo I took about two years ago. It needs a few retouches, but I hope you'll like it. pic.twitter.com/5ecWBDay (@lkaezadl3)
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04:25 kaeza ^_^
04:26 NekoGloop Huh, i thought he had one
04:26 NekoGloop Maybe it's under a different name, idk.
04:26 Uberi maybe c55?
04:26 kaeza !tw c55
04:27 Minetest-tan trying to figure out the purpose (@c55)
04:27 kaeza O_o
04:27 NekoGloop Is that even an allowed name...
04:27 NekoGloop why not actually try his *name*
04:27 kaeza !tw perttuahola
04:27 Minetest-tan Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/perttuahola?1357792052.4 (@perttuahola)
04:27 NekoGloop ... God you're hopeless.
04:28 NekoGloop !g Perttu Aloha Twitter
04:28 Minetest-tan NekoGloop: http://www.wunderkraut.com/blog/drupal-vs-episerver-vs-sharepoint/2011-10-21
04:28 kaeza O_o
04:28 NekoGloop Well that is most definitely not what i'm looking for.
04:28 VanessaE NekoGloop: you were satying? :-)
04:28 VanessaE saying*
04:28 NekoGloop I coulda sworn he had a twitter account.
04:28 sokomine fine that there are new jungletrees!
04:28 kaeza VanessaE: you were saying* ?
04:28 kaeza lol
04:29 VanessaE eh shaddup :-)
04:29 NekoGloop I would show off moltenbot as well except ipv6 users are ignored by it, Gambit.
04:29 kaeza http://example.com
04:29 kaeza ?
04:29 Gambit Janebot had that bug for a little while. The hostmask regex was missing a colon.
04:30 NekoGloop Heh.
04:30 NekoGloop Iqual would fix it except that he knows that i only know because of my ipad ;-)
04:30 NekoGloop People here hate apple *almost* as much as microsoft.
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04:31 NekoGloop And, ahem, that would be why i hate this ipad.
04:31 Gambit Get yourself an unaffiliated cloak.
04:31 NekoGloop On an ipad?
04:31 NekoGloop ;-)
04:31 Gambit You just have to be logged into your nickserv account.
04:31 Gambit Has nothing to do with your client.
04:32 NekoGloop Heh, i'd have to have one.
04:32 Uberi whoa it's late
04:33 kaeza /msg nickserv ghost NekoGloop
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04:33 kaeza ^_^
04:33 NekoGloop Hah.
04:34 kaeza something like an unpriviledged /kick
04:34 Gambit Now some troll will steal your nick
04:35 NekoGloop_ ^_^
04:35 kaeza O_o
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04:36 kaeza IPv4 lol
04:36 Gambit :\
04:36 NekoGloop Well that failed
04:36 NekoGloop Gambit: Your logic is broken
04:36 Gambit Not really kaeza
04:36 NekoGloop The weird thing is i have to /whois myself
04:36 kaeza hm?
04:38 Gambit My mistake.
04:38 Gambit been looking at too many hostnames tonight :<
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04:38 kaeza np
04:39 kaeza O_o ^^
04:39 NekoGloop so care to explain how you actually get the unaffiliated cloak?
04:39 Gambit Wow nikondork.
04:39 Gambit NekoGloop: register a nickserv account
04:39 Gambit and then ask in #freenode
04:39 NekoGloop i did.
04:39 NekoGloop Ah.
04:39 NekoGloop That step woulda been useful ;-)
04:42 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Gambit's head again for the heck of it
04:42 NekoGloop Also, what did nikon do?
04:42 Gambit They're starting to fall off.
04:42 NekoGloop Gambit: Nah, they're good at holding on :-3
04:42 Gambit NekoGloop: His part message was less than polite, but apparently it wasn't manual.
04:43 NekoGloop I see
04:43 NekoGloop I have join and part messages turned off
04:43 NekoGloop Another network i am on is linked directly to a game, and gets >50 joins per second.
04:48 NekoGloop And, now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFgB_KS-wg
04:48 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: World's End Dancehall (English Cover)??ham + JubyPhonic P? - YouTube
04:48 NekoGloop Well at least the ipv4 makes that part work.
04:50 NakedFury http://kotaku.com/5974684/you-havent-seen-rapture-until-youve-seen-in-recreated-with-blocks?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&amp;utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&amp;utm_medium=Socialflow
04:50 moltenbot NakedFury's link: You Haven't Seen Rapture Until You've Seen In Recreated With Blocks
04:50 NekoGloop >kotaku
04:50 NekoGloop That rings a bell.
04:50 NakedFury from bioshock
04:50 NekoGloop Oh wait
04:50 NekoGloop Take a k off, i know that word.
04:52 mauvebic this would be a cool world: http://adventurersbg.info/walkthroughs/myst2/index_files/image076.jpg
04:52 VanessaE OldCoder: an update for my world/game/etc is available at your leisure.
04:52 NekoGloop mauvebic: myst... mystcraft *cough* what? :-)
04:53 mauvebic a pink sky requires cpp changes (very basic ones)
04:53 mauvebic the rock formations either with my terrain guns or some on generated routine
04:56 * NekoGloop puts a kitten in Gambit's lap
04:57 NakedFury mauvebic the idea of worlds inside books would be awesome
04:58 NakedFury a server could have 1 cenntral hub world and from there you join others through books or whatever way you want
04:58 NekoGloop The idea of secondary worlds would be awesome.
04:59 NekoGloop Seeing as minetest singleplayer == minecraft >1.3.2 singleplayer...
04:59 NekoGloop ... I forgot where i was going with that.
04:59 mauvebic worlds inside books? need portals for that
05:00 VanessaE time for bed.  night all
05:01 NakedFury enter server and you enter Lobby World. Say it is in the shape of a big museum. you can explore it and open or read some of the books that teleport you or log you into that worlds server
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05:14 kaeza NekoGloop: \o/
05:14 NekoGloop NakedFury: In theory this can be done currently, with mesecons and command blocks.
05:15 kaeza NakedFury: RBA was working on portals between worlds
05:15 NekoGloop Simply design each area seperately.
05:15 kaeza but got busy with the new trees
05:16 Exio [01:53:06] <mauvebic> a pink sky requires cpp changes (very basic ones) < what file? :P
05:16 mauvebic wild stab in the dark... sky.cpp?
05:16 Exio aw
05:16 Exio i didn't check
05:16 * Exio kills Exio
05:17 * mauvebic disposes of the witnesses
05:17 * kaeza revives Exio and kills him again ad-infinitum
05:17 NakedFury can we do something like this: http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/multiverse-core/
05:17 moltenbot NakedFury's link:
05:18 NakedFury multiple worlds on 1 server
05:18 Exio kaeza: D:
05:19 Exio NakedFury++, the idea of multiworlds is awesome
05:20 NakedFury mutliple worlds on same server coupled with different settings for land generation for each worlds would make mauvebics mystcraft idea possible
05:26 Oblivion1500 that would be epic
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05:32 NekoGloop It feels like it should be later...
05:33 Oblivion1500 why?
05:33 NekoGloop Just like, it seems like more time has passed than this.
05:33 NekoGloop Dont you agree?
05:35 Oblivion1500 i think it would be something simple..
05:36 Oblivion1500 in the process we can make is so we can save the path of other worlds on our client
05:36 Oblivion1500 so we can simple change
05:36 Oblivion1500 dont you agree?
05:37 NakedFury some servers have multiple worlds for Creative, PVP, and lets say PVE modes
05:37 NakedFury switching from one to the other is easy. items cant pass from 1 world to the other
05:37 Oblivion1500 then they can telly into another world and it changes all of that
05:38 OldCoder Hi
05:38 OldCoder VanessaE, ty
05:38 Oblivion1500 i didnt catch a fucking thing
05:38 NakedFury a server I played in had like 10 worlds and was using a land generation plugin to make them all different
05:39 NekoGloop survival games is an example.
05:39 Oblivion1500 then just do a log in log out function
05:39 Oblivion1500 all in one step through the portal
05:40 Oblivion1500 it might take a wile but its pretty cool
05:42 NakedFury you could do 1 server and have multiple worlds with different modes: Creative, PvP, normal survival, some game mode, exploration(no block destroying)
06:00 kaeza night everyone! off to bed :)
06:00 Exio night kaeza!
06:01 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Exio's head
06:02 Exio poor kitten
06:18 * NekoGloop puts the box of kittens down
06:26 thexyz >If you could put some pressure on them to behave, we'd really appreciate it.
06:26 thexyz BEHAVE YOU SHITBAGS
06:26 thexyz was that good enough?
06:32 NekoGloop no.
06:34 OldCoder thexyz, well at least it is unambiguous
06:34 OldCoder lighter approach might be sensible
06:56 NekoGloop Meow.
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07:00 thexyz By the way,  Gambit, can you post some logs to prove your statement?
07:00 NekoGloop He's asleep by now.
07:02 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62991#p62991 => mac rant ahoy
07:02 moltenbot Calinou's link: [Poll | Finished] Open/Close Doors (Page 2) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums
07:05 NekoGloop Calinou: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=63005#p63005
07:05 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: [Poll | Finished] Open/Close Doors (Page 2) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums
07:08 Calinou NekoGloop: removed the quote, no need to quote the whole post, that just makes everything longer ;)
07:08 NekoGloop That was the point :D
07:08 Calinou as long as people know who you are replying to it's fine
07:13 NekoGloop I *wanted* to make everything longer though ;-)
07:19 Oblivion1500 Ohh damn sorry
07:31 NekoGloop EsperNet #minecraft is so fucking random
07:31 Calinou of course it is
07:31 NekoGloop I mean, more so than the one here
07:31 NekoGloop Which is more so than #minetest
07:32 NekoGloop And we all know how random we are.
07:35 NekoGloop Currently everyone has "lil" tagged on the front of their name...
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08:21 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62998#p62998 => gitorious... lol :D
08:21 moltenbot Calinou's link: Pixelous (formerly Menche's 4x4) (Page 1) - Texture Packs - Minetest Forums
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12:50 kaeza morning all
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14:22 RealBadAngel hi
14:29 kaeza hi
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14:51 john_minetest water falling down is quite buggy. when it touches an unloaded chunk while falling, it behaves like touching a normal surface. Deleting the water is difficult without worldedit.
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15:10 kaeza forums down again?
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15:16 john_minetest just happened. 5 minutes ago :(
15:16 john_minetest just wanted to post something...
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15:57 john_minetest Not much going on atm...
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16:07 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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16:21 RealBadAngel hi PilzAdam
16:27 john_minetest hi PilzAdam
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16:28 Calinou teh forums are down
16:28 * Calinou bets zlatan didn't like the football topic
16:28 Calinou noone talked about him
16:29 Calinou so he zlatanned the server box
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16:34 rubenwardy hi all
16:34 rubenwardy forum down?
16:34 PilzAdam yep
16:34 Menche yeah
16:35 Menche repeatedly refreshing the forum page, hoping for it to come back
16:35 Menche suppose im addicted
16:36 PilzAdam we all are ;-)
16:39 rubenwardy tell me when it does
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16:44 celeron55 here's something to vote for the internets: http://kampanja.mcdonalds.fi/myburger/#burgers/604
16:44 moltenbot celeron55's link: McDonalds MyBurger
16:44 celeron55 ylilauta is the largest finnish imageboard 8), "äänestä" = "vote"
16:45 rubenwardy per.. / lah ?
16:45 rubenwardy on vote dialog
16:45 Calinou s/ylilauta/4chan
16:45 celeron55 the red one
16:46 celeron55 "lähetä" = "submit"
16:46 Calinou celeron55: why should we do that :P
16:46 celeron55 Calinou: ehm? 4chan is english
16:47 celeron55 because unnecessarily influencing public votings with half-jokes is part of what the internet is for
16:47 Menche darn, doesn't display right in google translate
16:47 Menche and google translate was set to translate into latin for some reason
16:56 rubenwardy is it possible to make an item look like water, but with out the flow bit?
16:56 sokomine rubenwardy: that would be helpful sometimes. i havn't found a way yet :-(
16:56 rubenwardy damn
16:57 rubenwardy I will have to use opaque water
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16:58 * Jordach hates haircuts
16:59 Zetetic Me too, that's why I have long hair
17:00 Jordach minetest.net DEAD AGAIN
17:06 rubenwardy is there a problem with this:
17:06 rubenwardy for a=1, 11, step do
17:06 rubenwardy (lua)
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17:08 rubenwardy 17:07:35: ERROR[main]: ...rew/minetest/bin/../mods/minetest/waterplus/init.lua:1: 'for' step must be a number
17:08 PilzAdam have you defined step before?
17:08 PilzAdam local step = 1
17:08 rubenwardy no
17:08 rubenwardy does not say you need to: http://www.troubleshooters.com/codecorn/lua/lualoop.htm#_Numeric_For_Statements
17:08 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Lua Looping
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17:08 rubenwardy what is the correct code?
17:08 PilzAdam for a=1,11 do
17:09 PilzAdam for a=1,11,5 do
17:09 rubenwardy words
17:09 rubenwardy * works
17:09 PilzAdam sure
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17:12 rubenwardy anything wrong here? http://pastebin.com/WECSQmZx
17:12 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: [Lua] nodebox = {  type="fixed",  nodebox={  {-0.5,-0.5,-0.5,0.5,(0.5/10)*a,0.5},  - Pastebin.com
17:13 PilzAdam yea
17:13 PilzAdam "fixed =" not "nodebox ="
17:13 PilzAdam and its node_box not nodebox
17:13 markveidemanis Minetest forums down?
17:13 PilzAdam markveidemanis, yep
17:13 markveidemanis Again?!
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17:18 rubenwardy is {-0.5,-0.5,-0.5,0.5,0.1,0.5}, a correct box?
17:18 PilzAdam yep
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17:20 NekoGloop miau
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17:21 rubenwardy the above box was surposed to look similar to a slab
17:21 NekoGloop forums being derp?
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17:22 Jordach NekoGloop, yup
17:22 Jordach as usual
17:23 NekoGloop le gasp, Menche *did* something
17:23 rubenwardy just realised that I forgot drawtype="nodebox",
17:23 Jordach huh?
17:24 markveidemanis == /CLEAR Unknown command
17:25 rubenwardy playing with nodeboxes
17:25 markveidemanis also, who can help me build a good Prison fr my server?
17:25 markveidemanis Minecraft Dungeon like
17:25 NekoGloop dude, it's "/clear"
17:25 markveidemanis Try it in caps
17:26 sokomine hm. make the griefers build a prison cell. if they did build a good one they get free again :-)
17:26 markveidemanis im just proving to myself im a terrible architect...
17:26 markveidemanis Nah..
17:26 Zeg9 markveidemanis: /part ]]execute/clear
17:26 markveidemanis Im gonna build out of unkreakable blocks
17:26 Zeg9 (old joke not working anymore)
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17:27 markveidemanis and im not giving them to griefers:
17:27 markveidemanis -
17:27 markveidemanis )
17:27 sokomine :-)
17:27 markveidemanis Yep
17:27 markveidemanis Help...
17:27 markveidemanis Someone
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17:28 markveidemanis Hi
17:28 markveidemanis Help me build a prison
17:28 NekoGloop no
17:29 Zeg9 I guess he didn't wanna help you
17:29 markveidemanis Who
17:29 markveidemanis Can you?
17:29 rubenwardy what is "group:groupname"
17:30 rubenwardy is it a selected in groups{...}
17:35 rubenwardy is "node" in the function a string/text? http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_abm
17:37 PilzAdam node
17:37 PilzAdam *no
17:37 rubenwardy how to get the name?
17:37 rubenwardy node.name?
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17:37 PilzAdam http://dev.minetest.net/node
17:37 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: node - Minetest Developer Wiki
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17:40 rubenwardy brb
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17:43 markveidemanis Help Me Build A Prison!
17:43 markveidemanis SOMEONE!
17:45 sema4 markveidemanis: google for prison pictures and info, generate ideas, place blocks in appropriate arrangements.
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17:57 Obiewan1111 Is the Minetest site down?
17:58 PilzAdam yep
17:58 Obiewan1111 Is there a reason?
18:01 Jordach celeron55, fix yer damn vps
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18:08 * rubenwardy is working on a finite water mod
18:10 mauvebic how would that work?
18:10 mauvebic esp with flowing and source nodes
18:10 rubenwardy lots of water nodeboxes
18:13 NakedFury this water would be nice: http://www.moddb.com/games/liquid-cubed
18:13 moltenbot NakedFury's link: Liquid Cubed Windows game - Mod DB
18:13 mauvebic how many nodeboxes? with pipeworks i already have in the neighbourhood of 500 defined nodes in all
18:14 kaeza minetest.net still down?
18:14 rubenwardy 20 atm, but it can be increased
18:14 mauvebic i dont even know if the two will be compatible yet tho
18:14 rubenwardy local finite_water_steps=20
18:14 rubenwardy they probably will not
18:14 Oblivion1500 kaeza:yes
18:15 kaeza dang
18:15 mauvebic yeah pipeworks looks for liquid and flowingliquid drawtypes
18:15 rubenwardy mine is nodebox drawtype
18:15 Oblivion1500 anyone have a reason or is it just acting up?
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18:17 rubenwardy what is != in lua?
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18:17 rubenwardy ~=
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18:19 mauvebic wet cement: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3716704095
18:19 mauvebic dry: http://www.zimg.eu/i/169617068
18:20 rubenwardy wow
18:21 NakedFury thats nice
18:21 NakedFury is it slow spreading?
18:21 mauvebic im having trouble figuring out the right viscosity level but it takes a few intervals to dry completely
18:22 mauvebic and its only the flowing's that dry bcuz if the source dried you'd have a mess lol
18:24 Jordach thexyz, you really need to host minetest.net
18:24 mauvebic though if i did an air check on the spigot i could let the source dry too
18:26 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIZdxZqjcu0
18:26 moltenbot harrison's link: Ultraworld This - YouTube
18:26 harrison best film yet
18:26 harrison very relevant to anyone interested in voxel toy worlds
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18:32 kaeza what is this...I don't even... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_632769148.jpg
18:32 mauvebic osama's old hideout?
18:33 mauvebic lol
18:34 kaeza lol
18:34 kaeza removed a node: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_632941143.jpg
18:34 mauvebic desert rock falls?
18:35 kaeza nope
18:35 mauvebic thank god the mese change is enough controversy for one month lol
18:35 kaeza it's still there: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_633034676.jpg
18:36 mauvebic your running -d1 and your chunks are loading?
18:36 Zetetic Whawt changed about mese?
18:36 mauvebic *youre
18:36 Zetetic I'm new so I don't know what it was like before
18:36 VanessaE hi all.
18:36 mauvebic it was just a block before, and theres still debate and polls about it today lol
18:36 kaeza yup
18:36 kaeza hi VanessaE
18:36 mauvebic weird my maps didn't load with -d1 so i had to downgrade
18:37 VanessaE mauvebic: something's going kinda kooky with the map loader over the past month
18:37 PilzAdam mauvebic, that cant be
18:37 mauvebic but it was
18:37 mauvebic why would anyone make that up anyhow?
18:38 PilzAdam its not due to the networing changes in -d1
18:38 mauvebic im not in the habit of filing false bug reports :p
18:38 mauvebic i dont know *why* the chunks weren't loading, all i know is i had time to 420 before seeing a few nodes lol
18:39 mauvebic sucks because there are alot of other fixes/features in the latest i'd love to dev w/
18:40 * VanessaE grumbles at the forums being down yet again
18:40 kaeza heh
18:40 mauvebic yeah its getting to be like it was a year ago
18:40 rubenwardy when I do this target = pos
18:40 rubenwardy are changes made to pos when i change target?
18:40 kaeza yes
18:40 PilzAdam yep
18:40 rubenwardy damn
18:40 VanessaE has anyone used my moretrees mod yet?
18:40 mauvebic yeah works by reference
18:40 rubenwardy how to stop that?
18:40 PilzAdam use target = {x=pos.x...}
18:40 mauvebic ^
18:40 rubenwardy huff
18:41 rubenwardy target = {x=pos.x,y=pos.y,z=pos.z}
18:41 mauvebic eggxactly
18:41 mauvebic new array, new reference
18:41 kaeza VanessaE: have been testing it for half an hour now
18:42 kaeza (without sutting down)
18:42 PilzAdam function copy_v3(vec) return {x=vec.x,y=vec.y,z=vec.z} end
18:42 * VanessaE wonders if her server has turned into a forest yet...
18:42 PilzAdam ^ free helper function
18:43 mauvebic thats handy unless you need to do +/- 1 for x,y, or z
18:44 PilzAdam function copy_v3(vec, add) if add then return {x=vec.x+add.x.,y=vec.y+add.y,z=vec.z+add.z} else return {x=vec.x,y=vec.y,z=vec.z} end end
18:45 VanessaE wow, lots of jungle trees around.  I may need to fine-tune the guard radius a little :-)
18:45 markveidemanis ?
18:45 markveidemanis Yep!
18:45 markveidemanis Hello!
18:45 markveidemanis Yep
18:45 rubenwardy (VanessaE is talking to her self)
18:45 markveidemanis look at yesterdays log
18:45 markveidemanis [--
18:45 markveidemanis Yep
18:45 markveidemanis Yep
18:46 markveidemanis "
18:46 markveidemanis a
18:46 mauvebic +q
18:46 markveidemanis And so on
18:46 markveidemanis --]
18:46 markveidemanis remember that?
18:46 Zetetic VanessaE: you have proper growing trees?
18:46 markveidemanis Trees
18:46 markveidemanis make christmas trees
18:46 markveidemanis as entities
18:46 VanessaE Zetetic: growing in the sense that they spawn in defined areas and eventually turn from saplings into trees like the regular game trees do, yes.
18:46 Zetetic aH
18:47 markveidemanis NOOO make it an entity
18:47 Zetetic I thought your trees sometimes caused harbours
18:47 Zetetic s/harbours/saplings/
18:47 markveidemanis S
18:47 VanessaE eh?
18:47 VanessaE my mod spawns saplings first, then grows them into trees later, to avoid heavy CPU spikes and server lag
18:48 Calinou sfan5: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:ActivatorRail.gif < spotted
18:48 moltenbot Calinou's link: File:ActivatorRail.gif - Minecraft Wiki
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18:49 Jordach hahahahahahaha
18:49 Obiewan1111 Why is the website still down? :/
18:49 mauvebic romulans
18:50 Zetetic Communists
18:50 Jordach Klingons on the VPS, scrape 'em off c55!¬
18:50 markveidemanis Moo#
18:50 rubenwardy ServerError: LuaError: error: .../waterplus/init.lua:120: bad argument #-2 to 'set_node' (string expected, got nil)
18:51 markveidemanis Uh-Oh
18:52 Calinou "Textures for blocks and items now have individual image files." <= on minecraft
18:52 kaeza rubenwardy: are you calling minetest.env.set_node() or minetest.env:set_node() ?
18:52 Calinou means easier conversions :D
18:52 NakedFury saw that calinou?
18:52 rubenwardy :
18:52 NakedFury that is good news for us
18:52 rubenwardy minetest.env:set_node(from,nh_from)
18:52 Jordach Calinou, drag and drop baby!
18:53 kaeza may I take a look at the code? PM if you want
18:53 Jordach (not in the rude sense)_
18:53 mauvebic could someone make a waterworld type mapgen? where water level is y= 50 or 100
18:53 Jordach wait
18:53 Jordach i had a forum topic asking about that and someone gave me the code
18:54 mauvebic i know theres' a flatlands generator, maybe it was adapted from theat
18:54 mauvebic *that
18:55 Jordach mauvebic nope.
18:55 mauvebic i was gonna search the forums but lol
18:56 mauvebic one advantage of hosting my mods on google sites is better uptime lol
18:57 Jordach mauvebic, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1517718/
18:57 moltenbot Jordach's link: Ubuntu Pastebin
18:57 mauvebic which i notice more and more newbies and oldies are doing
18:57 mauvebic sweet thanks jordach
18:59 NakedFury a water world type generation with very very few land masses and then they being small would be a cool game mode
19:00 mauvebic you saw the pic of gehn's age i posted on irc yesterday?
19:00 Jordach mauvebic, pm
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19:02 mauvebic nakedfury http://mystarchive.com/rivenil/images/rockform.jpg
19:02 NakedFury ohh I saw that
19:02 mauvebic thats why i need the waterworld code :)
19:02 mauvebic *needed
19:03 NakedFury well place the water over 100 Y so its not easy to go build in the seabed
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19:03 mauvebic i may have to learn some basic-ass cpp to submit a patch to change the sky colour though
19:06 thexyz Jordach: I offered to host it a long time ago
19:06 Jordach i know
19:06 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on Jordach's head
19:06 thexyz so better ask c55
19:06 Jordach o hai NekoGloop
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19:07 Calinou hi NekoGloop
19:07 kaeza hey Neko
19:07 rubenwardy the finite mod works!
19:09 Jordach impossibru
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19:09 Jordach also, texture making wise, i learned a ton from minetest faithful
19:09 kaeza VanessaE: lol jungle trees grow underwater
19:09 Jordach :O
19:09 VanessaE they grow a bit below sea level sure
19:09 VanessaE screenshot?
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19:10 NekoGloop Minecraft logic fail: wheat grows next to lava
19:11 Jordach \o/
19:11 khonkhortisan lava would evaporate any remaining water in the ground
19:12 kaeza VanessaE: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_635245589.jpg
19:12 Calinou *drops in suggestion for minetest_game* magma (lava with a different texture) should generate at the bottom of the map (somewhere at -30900) and kills instantly, and cannot be picked up
19:12 VanessaE er, those aren't my jungle trees :-)
19:13 kaeza VanessaE: also: epic jungle tree: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_635208712.jpg
19:13 mauvebic if the ground was cold enough lava would solidify into molten rock
19:13 Calinou would be easy to make
19:13 VanessaE kaeza: you playing around with the rules/axiom/biome defs? :-)
19:13 kaeza nope
19:13 kaeza only with interval anc chance for the ABM
19:13 kaeza nad*
19:13 Oblivion1500 Calinou: what would be the point of that?
19:13 kaeza and*
19:14 Calinou Oblivion1500: some kind of bedrock?
19:14 Calinou but that hurts :3
19:14 VanessaE weird.  they are always supposed to be + shaped trunks, those look like single-node-thick trunks
19:14 Calinou just having an invisible wall doesn't make the game feel "finished"
19:14 kaeza VanessaE: they are
19:14 mauvebic its hard to get any substance to kill instantly though
19:14 kaeza lemme get you a screen
19:14 Calinou mauvebic: set 20 damage per second
19:14 Oblivion1500 so no going past that point?
19:15 Calinou Oblivion1500: border of map is -30912, adding that magma a few layers up (-30900)
19:15 mauvebic i set it to 100 and i can still walk through it fast enough :/
19:15 Calinou mauvebic: you can't use fast mode in liquids
19:15 Calinou (fly, you can)
19:15 Oblivion1500 nice, not like anyone is really going that far
19:15 Calinou (should be fixed imo, btw :P)
19:15 Oblivion1500 but a good idea none the less
19:15 kaeza VanessaE: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_635455618.jpg
19:16 mauvebic well yeah even flyfast should kill if damage is on :-)
19:16 Calinou https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/409 <= can anyone with permissions merge this (please don't mind the tabs, it's ONE line)? thanks
19:17 VanessaE kaeza: interesting, you must be using an older version of the jungle tree code then ..
19:17 VanessaE wait,
19:17 kaeza VanessaE: I pulled yesterday
19:17 VanessaE I know why I think
19:17 VanessaE is your MT build from at least late in the day, Jan 8?
19:17 kaeza yup, also pulled yesterday
19:18 VanessaE weird.
19:18 kaeza lemme everything is pretty much up to date
19:18 kaeza s/lemme/
19:18 kaeza // *
19:19 VanessaE very weird, because they're not coded to be anything but + shaped trunks
19:20 kaeza local JT_SPAWN_INTERVAL = 1; local JT_SPAWN_CHANCE = 1; local JT_GROW_INTERVAL = 1; local JT_GROW_CHANCE = 1;
19:20 kaeza those are the things I changed
19:20 VanessaE *nod* that's all that should need changed...
19:20 VanessaE can you pastebin one of the jungle tree defs?
19:20 kaeza gimme a sec
19:21 kaeza http://pastebin.com/k6nuZF3Z
19:21 kaeza there^
19:22 VanessaE something is screwed up somewhere on your install then...because they are definitely not coded to do that...
19:22 VanessaE the defs look right
19:22 rubenwardy uploading video of finite water
19:22 VanessaE wait...
19:23 VanessaE did you also pull in the latest plantlife?
19:23 kaeza hmm
19:23 kaeza lemme check that
19:23 Oblivion1500 VanessaE: do you have a survival world?
19:23 VanessaE Oblivion1500: nope.  creative only at the moment.
19:24 VanessaE kaeza: yeah, you need the very latest git of plantlife (as in, last night's commit)...I had to expand the API to allow for these trees.
19:24 Oblivion1500 VanessaE: ok, i just like all the mods implented on your server
19:24 kaeza VanessaE: ~/.minetest/games/testing/mods/plantlife$ git pull
19:24 kaeza Already up-to-date.
19:24 VanessaE Oblivion1500: when the map loader gets fixed, I might consider it.
19:25 VanessaE kaeza: and you're sure you're actually *running* those latest mods? :-)
19:25 Oblivion1500 VanessaE: sweet just let me know :)
19:25 VanessaE there's no way my code can do that :-)
19:25 kaeza yup
19:25 kaeza just in case lemme create a new world
19:25 kaeza hmm
19:26 VanessaE damn it why do the forums have to be down NOW of all times!?
19:26 * VanessaE grumbles loudly
19:27 NekoGloop Because now is when you want them.
19:27 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/moretrees-screenshot.png
19:27 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/moretrees-screenshot2.png
19:28 VanessaE I was about to post THOSE onto the moretrees thread as better screenshots than what I first posted.
19:28 * Jordach notices that VanessaE's resolution almost matches Jordachs
19:29 VanessaE 1280x1024.
19:29 rubenwardy Finite Water in Minetest
19:29 rubenwardy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMPIOO2vGc&amp;feature=youtu.be
19:29 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Minetest Finite Water: Waterplus - YouTube
19:29 kaeza VanessaE: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_636211466.jpg
19:29 VanessaE kaeza: strange.  very very strange
19:29 kaeza rubenwardy: "This video is currently unavailable"
19:30 VanessaE it's almost like the map isn't fully loading.
19:30 NakedFury rubenwardy that is awesome
19:30 NakedFury I mean it
19:30 VanessaE rubenwardy: NICE!!!!
19:30 rubenwardy try again, kaeza?
19:30 rubenwardy thank you all :D
19:30 NakedFury question: if you open more space will the water go down to fill those new spaces?
19:30 rubenwardy no
19:31 rubenwardy not yet
19:31 VanessaE rubenwardy: now the water just needs to "flow" (animate) and dry up if it gets too thin
19:31 rubenwardy it will just hover
19:31 * Jordach sees fps at 15
19:32 Jordach laggy mod!
19:32 VanessaE low fps != lag
19:32 rubenwardy what I need to do is if water has air below it, it disappears and forms a water drop
19:32 rubenwardy It runs at 30fps when the recorder is not running
19:33 VanessaE rubenwardy: is it possible to exploit the existing flowing water draw type with your code?
19:33 rubenwardy flowing water does not support node boxes
19:33 VanessaE bummer
19:33 rubenwardy and the water drop forms a puddle on landing, and if that puddle is next to water, it turns into a low water bit
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19:33 VanessaE RBA or Jeija was also looking into that also btw
19:33 NakedFury http://www.moddb.com/games/liquid-cubed something like this is what you want to achieve?
19:33 moltenbot NakedFury's link: Liquid Cubed Windows game - Mod DB
19:34 rubenwardy tell them off
19:34 VanessaE you should coordinate with whoever it was and really make that badass :-)
19:34 rubenwardy have they started?
19:34 rubenwardy kind of, NakedFury
19:34 VanessaE I don't remember who it was or if they'd started their work yet
19:34 Oblivion1500 rubenwardy: nice
19:35 rubenwardy I will release it on github soon
19:35 rubenwardy (there is 130 lines of code)
19:36 rubenwardy for 3 hours workish
19:36 VanessaE rubenwardy: can you include hooks in your mod that pipeworks can use?
19:36 rubenwardy group={water=<level_percentage>}   ?
19:36 VanessaE that works. :D
19:37 rubenwardy water is already defined though
19:37 VanessaE finite_water=percentage then
19:40 Oblivion1500 if we could intergrate the finilized version with minecraft we could make greving with water almost imposible and if you did the same with lava that would be cool
19:40 Oblivion1500 minetest*
19:40 NekoGloop rubenwardy: Redefine it...
19:41 rubenwardy it will be laggy
19:41 rubenwardy probably
19:41 VanessaE redefine it with a default of 100% so that it won't change anything initialliy
19:41 VanessaE initially*
19:41 VanessaE hrm, that's a problem
19:41 VanessaE ok, then this needs done in C++
19:41 rubenwardy I dont know
19:41 rubenwardy no laggier than mobs
19:41 VanessaE wait..
19:42 rubenwardy but a bit laggier than farming
19:42 rubenwardy interval = 1
19:42 rubenwardy chance = 1
19:42 VanessaE redefine water - but don't change anything about it.  Take it out of creative inventory.  Put yours in place instead.  Make buckets always pour *your* water.
19:42 rubenwardy depends on how much water there is
19:42 VanessaE problem solved :-)
19:42 kaeza VanessaE: is this better? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_636997428.jpg
19:42 VanessaE so there would be two waters, but only one kind can be placed by the player - yours.
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19:43 VanessaE kaeza: not really.  Something is not working right.  I suggest you wipe out moretrees, plantlife, minetest_game, and the engine, and re-clone all four.  Something's badly broken.
19:44 rubenwardy bucket.register_liquid(source, flowing, itemname, inventory_image)
19:45 VanessaE kaeza: go on my server near my old home (the brick one).  lots of jungle trees there that grew with the current code
19:45 kaeza VanessaE: seems like the engine was not up to date after all :P
19:45 kaeza sowwy
19:45 VanessaE told ya :)
19:46 VanessaE I knew those trees couldn't make 1-node-wide trunks unless your build was too old :)
19:46 rubenwardy just need to change a bucket's on_use function
19:50 VanessaE reason being, btw, is that the trunk size parameter was changed from boolean to string, to take at least three possible values
19:51 VanessaE (was true = thin, false = + shaped,  now it's "single", "double", and "crossed" I think)
19:51 kaeza VanessaE: ^_^ https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_637444171.jpg
19:51 VanessaE I should randomize the jungle tree defs a little more to allow for shorter trees, all three trunk sizes, etc.
19:52 VanessaE much more better :D
19:52 kaeza ;)
19:52 NekoGloop mc skyblock: creeper spawns, game over.
19:52 thexyz celeron55: btw, my offer to host minetest.net still stands
19:52 VanessaE also, if you have bas080's vines/ropes mod, jungle trees will grow vines like in MC :-)
19:52 kaeza also: flying trees on octuteam world: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_3930614684.jpg
19:53 VanessaE heh, I've seen that before....and someone seems to like HDX too :-)
19:53 kaeza it's Awesomesauceâ„¢
19:54 VanessaE (Awesomesauceâ„¢ and the Awesomesauce logo are copyright 2012 Mark Traceur, some rights reserved)
19:54 VanessaE ;)
19:54 kaeza hehe
19:54 rubenwardy done, vanessa
19:55 sapier that marctraceur requireing anyone to use gplv3? *g*
19:55 kaeza ...marc?
19:55 kaeza lol
19:55 sapier oops :-)
19:56 NekoGloop mactracuer
19:56 rubenwardy done, vanessaE
19:57 VanessaE rubenwardy: cool
19:57 kaeza btw why remove having to press 'E' to fly fast?
19:57 kaeza or is it toggleable now?
19:57 VanessaE kaeza: lot of people didn't like it, but yeah it's configurable now
19:57 VanessaE defaults to off/always fast
19:57 kaeza ok
19:57 VanessaE c55 especially didn't like it
19:58 kaeza I kinda found it useful
19:58 VanessaE personally, I wouldn't have minded - provided it hadn't been bound to "E", but maybe "F".
19:58 VanessaE (I use "E" for descend)
19:58 kaeza reserve 'F' for a future flashlight :P
19:58 VanessaE :P
19:59 john_minetest But running with F would be not good for long distances.
19:59 john_minetest The fingers would be in a strange position.
19:59 NekoGloop Tab for inventory
19:59 NekoGloop E for running
19:59 NekoGloop What's the problem.
19:59 kaeza NekoGloop: +1 for Tab
19:59 sapier is minetest.net down ?
20:00 kaeza 'I' is inconvenient
20:00 NakedFury games usually do shift for running
20:00 NakedFury ctrl for crouching or C
20:00 kaeza Ctrl = crouching / descend
20:00 rubenwardy sapier: Finite Water in Minetest
20:00 rubenwardy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMPIOO2vGc&amp;feature=youtu.be
20:00 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Minetest Finite Water: Waterplus - YouTube
20:01 kaeza also, X, C, and V for radio comm... sorry, too much CS :P
20:01 NakedFury z for prone
20:02 kaeza DoD?
20:02 NakedFury e for interaction r for reload
20:02 sapier great work :-)
20:02 NakedFury most games that let me go prone go with Z for it
20:02 sapier how much cpu power does this require? :-)
20:02 rubenwardy not as much as mobs
20:02 rubenwardy it is a single ABM with inteval of 1
20:03 rubenwardy and chance of 1
20:03 kaeza If someone patched the engine to allow checking keys from Lua this would open great possibilities
20:03 sapier so it requires mich more than current mobs ... they don't use abm's at all ;-)
20:03 kaeza (arbitrary keys)
20:03 sapier but still it looks great
20:04 rubenwardy are ABM's worse than on_globalstep for running through stuff?
20:04 sapier not quite sure but i think both are bad
20:05 kaeza rubenwardy: they are used for different purposes I think
20:05 sapier at least on_globalstep ain't multiplied by number of active nodes
20:05 rubenwardy true
20:05 VanessaE abms aren't bad if your trigger node(s) aren't too plentiful
20:05 rubenwardy although you still have to cycle though them
20:06 VanessaE and using abms means you can let the engine's scheduler handle some of the work
20:06 sapier finite water nodes potentially are endless ;-)
20:06 rubenwardy I would release the mod in alpha on the forum, but...
20:06 rubenwardy at least http://dev.minetest.net/ is up
20:06 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Minetest Developer Wiki
20:06 VanessaE but the %&#*%&*#% forums are down.
20:06 kaeza !ping minetest.net
20:06 kaeza ?
20:06 moltenbot host minetest.net DOWN
20:07 kaeza frack
20:07 rubenwardy !ping dev.minetest.net
20:07 moltenbot 64 bytes from 176.9.122.10: icmp_req=1 ttl=58 time=8.74 ms
20:07 sapier still abm's are a nightmare if applied to common nodes
20:07 sapier e.g. "dirt"
20:07 rubenwardy such as dirt
20:07 mauvebic dirt-ambience done
20:07 mauvebic erm
20:07 mauvebic *space
20:07 VanessaE sapier: truew.
20:07 VanessaE true*
20:08 * mauvebic more coffee
20:08 * VanessaE hooks up mauvebic's coffee to an IV pump
20:08 sapier that's what earlier mobf versions did for spawning ... and most likely is reason for mobf requireing so much cpu power
20:08 sapier is anyone interested in a lua callback called on_chunk_load?
20:09 kaeza hmm
20:09 rubenwardy (notice how I spill some accidentally at the end of the video)
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