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00:00 Doc22 I like creative commons 3.0
00:00 Kacey IT WORKS!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!one!!!!!
00:01 NekoGloop another lost project. great.
00:01 Doc22 lol
00:01 mauvebic so if concrete is cement + sand and water, where do they get the cement from?
00:01 NekoGloop cement is a rock
00:01 NekoGloop :P
00:01 VanessaE pulverized limestone? :-)
00:01 NekoGloop or a chemical doo-dad.
00:02 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4345 VanessaE, you should have moved it to trash :P
00:02 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: [ModPack][0.0.1] GloopTest Pack! [glooptest] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
00:02 mrtux Can I have some help with worldedit?
00:02 RealBadAngel cement is a powder....
00:02 mauvebic i think ill let someone else come up with cement lol ill do beer and heating
00:02 mrtux I'm trying to make a worldedit file of a lighthouse I built on my server
00:02 Doc22 lol
00:03 mauvebic im aiming for simple combos lol
00:05 NekoGloop well this sucks
00:05 mauvebic grapes + water = wine
00:05 NekoGloop I was actually going to make this modpack and then suddenly i cant.
00:05 mauvebic my wife suggested some sort of bottling device that attachs to pipes
00:06 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_cement
00:06 moltenbot RealBadAngel's link: Portland cement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
00:06 Doc22 that would be cool
00:06 VanessaE NekoGloop: no.
00:06 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: dont care.
00:06 NekoGloop VanessaE: yeah, i cant continue it.
00:06 VanessaE NekoGloop: you, you mean "I won't continue it".
00:06 NekoGloop VanessaE: no, i *cant*
00:07 VanessaE no, you insist upon an incompatible license, which you can change if you want.  Therefore, "won't".
00:07 VanessaE it has been my experience in life that 80% of the time if someone says "I can't", it means "I refuse to".
00:08 NekoGloop If it was any choice of mine, would the post still exist?
00:08 RealBadAngel no he cant, he got stuck in concrete. were playin with liquid one and it hardened ;)
00:08 VanessaE License:  CC-BY-NC-SA  <--- you can edit this to read "cc-by-sa", you know.
00:09 mauvebic ill have to fix that lol
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00:10 NekoGloop all in all it's just a hassle even getting the mod to simply have it's existance accepted.
00:10 Kacey anyone know the node name for steel blocks?
00:11 VanessaE NekoGloop: just re-license it, what's so hard about that?
00:11 VanessaE Kacey: defautl:steelblock isn't it?
00:11 VanessaE er, default:steelblock
00:11 VanessaE yup, it is.
00:11 Kacey yep
00:12 NekoGloop VanessaE: the fact that since the previous versions exist i have to continue licensing with the same license and in the files it said very plainly that it is CC-BY-NC-SA and all in all it's a hassle getting the mod to simply have its existance accepted.
00:13 mauvebic nekogloop your logic escapes me, mods can exist in any form you want, but theres nothing forcing these people to provide advertising space (forums) for it
00:13 VanessaE NekoGloop: in the time you spent defending your decision to use an incompatible license, you could have prepared a new release with the corrected license.
00:13 NekoGloop free will == not accepted here
00:13 NekoGloop i get it.
00:13 NakedFury ohh god the license deal again
00:13 mauvebic seriously lol
00:13 VanessaE free will doesn't mean freedom to change the license on files you downloaded from someone else.
00:14 mauvebic ive been avoiding commenting on it but it keeps going on and on
00:14 VanessaE which is what you are, unfortunately, doing.
00:14 NekoGloop I'm past that point.
00:14 NekoGloop files == deleted.
00:14 NekoGloop it's the fact that c55 doesnt want content with so-called "restrictive licenses"
00:15 Kacey afk dinner
00:16 sapier that's why he released (L)GPL CC-BY-SA ... ;-) .. as those licenses in comparison to WTFPL don't give the right to keep your changes to yourself ;-)
00:17 NekoGloop which is precisely what i dont want.
00:17 NekoGloop however i simply dont want them making money off of it either
00:17 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62429#p62429
00:17 NekoGloop also if minetest goes commercial I've already bought minecraft, why buy another voxel game.
00:17 sapier I do understand ;-) btw you still are able to load his textures as long as they are present
00:17 VanessaE sorry neko.
00:18 mrtux anyone willing to help me with worldedit? I'm trying to make a worldedit file of a building
00:18 VanessaE NekoGloop: the idea isn't that MT could go commercial - it's that someone else should be able to fork it and turn *their* fork into a commercial game.
00:18 mrtux nobody but oldcoder decided to help
00:18 mrtux and he's not here atm
00:18 VanessaE mrtux: what are you having trouble with in it?
00:19 mrtux I can't  figure out how to put something I built into a worldedit file
00:19 mrtux I never used worldedit before
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00:20 NakedFury mrtux you select the building and do //save
00:20 Dogzilla131 how do you make promix?
00:20 VanessaE mrtux: ok.  Got fly/fast?
00:20 mrtux yeah
00:21 mrtux it's on my server
00:21 VanessaE mrtux: pick any corner of the building.  Fly to that corner, but go a little above and outside of it, say 5 blocks in all three axes.
00:21 VanessaE //pos1
00:21 mrtux ok
00:21 mrtux hang on
00:21 VanessaE then fly to the opposite corner and go underneath the house, again just past the periphery of the house by another 5 blocks.
00:21 NekoGloop well apparently this is impossible.
00:21 VanessaE /pos2
00:21 Dogzilla131 how do you make promix?
00:21 VanessaE er, //pos2
00:22 VanessaE then //metasave somename
00:22 mrtux ok
00:22 VanessaE the file will end up in <minetest_folder>/worlds/<your_world>/schems
00:22 VanessaE then you just share that file.
00:22 NekoGloop guess I get to make nothing. yay.
00:23 mrtux "12 nodes saved"
00:23 mrtux not all of it
00:24 mrtux VanessaE, ^
00:25 NekoGloop honestly, i give up
00:25 NekoGloop the minetest community just commences shitstorms constantly.
00:26 Dogzilla131 how do you make promix?
00:26 mrtux ask mauvebic
00:26 NekoGloop I cant even use the ore pattern textures because those are edited from the default.
00:26 VanessaE mrtux: are you sure you had //pos1 and //pos2 set to diagonally-opposite corners?
00:26 mrtux see i don't quite get this
00:26 mrtux i'd need a video
00:27 mrtux i'm a visual learner I think
00:27 VanessaE diagonally opposite on all three axes, e.g. -10,-10,-10  50,50,50
00:27 NakedFury capture the complete structure inside positions 1 and 2
00:27 mrtux i tried it a second time and got 30 nodes
00:27 mrtux i'll have to try it real quick
00:27 NekoGloop also the nodecount is borked
00:27 NekoGloop :P
00:27 NakedFury I always use //save thenname and it works fine
00:27 VanessaE mrtux: you're probably selecting only one side of the building :-)
00:27 mrtux yeah
00:28 mauvebic promix? heaven knows, ive written a new growing mod since then that doesnt use it
00:28 NekoGloop mrtux: on an angle THROUGH the building
00:28 mrtux ohlol
00:28 mrtux ha
00:28 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62433#p62433
00:28 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: [ModPack][0.0.1] GloopTest Pack! [glooptest] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
00:28 NekoGloop y'all happy now.
00:30 mrtux Now I think I got it!
00:30 mrtux 130 nodes or so
00:31 NekoGloop so much for a "kind community"
00:31 mauvebic nekogloop the best thing you can do is not give a shit what people think of your choices, period
00:31 VanessaE NekoGloop: the community is kind as long as you respect peoples' licenses.
00:32 OldCoder Hi
00:32 OldCoder mrtux, said I was just going for cola. But if it worked out that's good.
00:32 NekoGloop yeah well i basically can't make my modpack contain any kind of ores without breaking licenses.
00:32 mauvebic then come up with your own ore generation function
00:32 VanessaE mrtux: sounds about right for a very small structure, that's roughly 5x5x5 nodes
00:32 mrtux yeah it's that size or so
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00:33 VanessaE mauvebic: the problem is also his textures, they're based on the defaults.
00:33 NekoGloop mauvebic: I'm not copying the code. Hence why i requested generate_ore to be exposed.
00:33 mrtux VanessaE, the inside of it is about 5x5 or so
00:33 VanessaE mrtux: ok, then you might have gotten it :-)
00:34 VanessaE now the test:  go somewhere else in the world, //pos1 and then //metaload :-)
00:34 VanessaE see if you get back what you saved
00:34 mauvebic well yeah if youre going to borrow shit from other mods dont be surprised that other people use licenses that protect their own interests too lol
00:34 mauvebic you cant randomly relicense shit
00:34 mrtux i'll have to see
00:35 NekoGloop I cant maintain a theme through the game without either not including textures or relicensing, which the latter is not going to happen because people who would change one thing and sell it.
00:35 VanessaE NekoGloop: then just draw your own textures and the problem will go away
00:35 VanessaE you can do -nc all you want as long as you're not using someone else's work that isn't itself -nc
00:35 NekoGloop VanessaE: http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/179288-gloop is about the best i could do
00:35 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: YoYo Games | Gloop
00:36 VanessaE NekoGloop: good enough for a MT mod :-)
00:36 VanessaE someone else can contribute better textures later.
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00:36 NekoGloop VanessaE: not to have it look anything like the core of minetest
00:36 NekoGloop and also like i said: maintain a theme through the game
00:37 NekoGloop I cant if i cant use the damn ingot, orelump, and ore.
00:37 VanessaE MT has a theme? :-)
00:37 mauvebic this is overly complicated, cant you use one license for the textures and one license for the code?
00:37 NekoGloop yeah, drive away modders who want their work to not be stolen :P
00:37 VanessaE mauvebic: yes, you can.
00:37 NekoGloop mauvebic: I'd have to license all of MY textures the same way.
00:37 VanessaE I do it that way all the time.
00:38 mauvebic theyre not trying to piss you off neko, theyre just saying you cant relicense their textures, then you'd be stealing their work
00:38 NekoGloop if they werent trying to piss me off they'd have dropped the topic already.
00:38 mauvebic (goes both ways)
00:38 mauvebic well no just get off your ass and make new textures
00:38 mauvebic theyre not backing down
00:39 VanessaE I'm sure we can think of more effective ways to piss you off, neko :-)
00:39 NekoGloop VanessaE: well moving it to Trash would be moving it where it belongs
00:39 mauvebic like there arent a million stone textures to chose from google search
00:40 NekoGloop besides, nobody would contribute to a mod which has <c55> such a restrictive license. </c55>
00:40 mauvebic well neko you cant have it both ways
00:41 NekoGloop So I'll have it my way: the way in which I stop the mod
00:41 mauvebic you wanna protect your works fine, dont expect them to go in default game
00:41 NekoGloop I'm not expecting them to.
00:42 mauvebic you wanna protect your textures: do the same and dont take from others by relicensing
00:42 mauvebic why would anyone respect your license if you borrow from others ignoring theirs?
00:43 NekoGloop but then i cant maintain the minetest ingots, orelumps, or even use the ore patterns i have.
00:43 NekoGloop and besides, if it's CC-BY-SA who the fuck do i give credit to
00:44 mauvebic just keep the same license they came in
00:44 VanessaE celeron55 of course.
00:44 NekoGloop VanessaE: he said he didnt make them
00:44 mauvebic do you seriously think someone's gonna cash in on the image of an ingot with a colorize filter?
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00:44 NekoGloop geez, and i thought mauvebic would give me the least shit.
00:45 VanessaE ok then maybe they're cisoun's.
00:45 NekoGloop VanessaE: actually no
00:45 NekoGloop they were in 0.3
00:45 mauvebic thats because you think its the same cause
00:46 davidpace Hello.
00:46 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62440#p62440
00:46 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: [ModPack][x.x.x] GloopTest Pack! [glooptest] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
00:46 RealBadAngel rotfl
00:47 NekoGloop If it'll stop this shitstorm then remove the fucking mod.
00:47 NekoGloop I've honestly had enough.
00:48 VanessaE ah
00:48 VanessaE erlehmann.
00:48 VanessaE that's who contributed them.
00:48 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/stable-0.2/data/lump_of_clay.png
00:48 mauvebic if anything, im against people making minute changes then changing the credits and license, which is what you did
00:49 NekoGloop ...
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00:50 VanessaE NekoGloop: now you know who to credit, how to fix your license, and even how to go about getting new lump images.  what's left?
00:50 NekoGloop what's left is me making my own textures.
00:50 VanessaE so make some, it ain't that hard.
00:51 mauvebic if i had the time id make them for him just to settle this lol
00:51 NekoGloop making something from scratch takes days even for 16x16
00:51 VanessaE take the ingots, tools, and lumps from 16px HDX then :-)
00:51 NekoGloop then I'd have a shitstorm from you :P
00:52 VanessaE they're nice, they're WTFPL, and they're low-rez :-)
00:52 NekoGloop and also look like shit
00:52 VanessaE and I don't give two shits who uses them :-)
00:53 NekoGloop can we all just accept that effectively you've all killed my modding spirit yet again?
00:53 mauvebic then dont mod if it puts you in this mood every time
00:54 NekoGloop it's only the hate i get from the community when i do mod.
00:54 mauvebic its a game, if its pissing you off then you're holding it wrong
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00:54 VanessaE NekoGloop: all you had to do was comply with the original authors' license.  That's it.
00:54 NekoGloop VanessaE: so you're removing it?
00:54 VanessaE nope.
00:54 mauvebic if she does that we'll be hearing about it for days
00:54 NekoGloop why.
00:55 mauvebic gut feeling
00:55 NekoGloop I've already cut the download links
00:55 NekoGloop her links are the only ones there.
00:55 VanessaE in fact I replaced the download link in a separate, with the correct license specified.
00:55 VanessaE (as you saw)
00:55 NekoGloop I know.
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00:58 * VanessaE turns NekoGloop's kitten generator off and locks up the kalite fuel supply.
00:58 NekoGloop the kalite was already locked up
00:58 NekoGloop the kitten generator was broken
00:59 VanessaE Nope, that was the backup one, remember?  it only made two types of cats :)
00:59 NekoGloop no, you broke the other one.
01:00 * VanessaE opens the access panel and looks around...
01:00 VanessaE oh, here's the problem...  [machine rumbles and comes back online]
01:00 VanessaE Loose cable from the Heisenberg compensator to the pattern buffer.
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01:01 * VanessaE spawns one kitten and places it on mauvebic'v head.
01:01 * grondilu had a segmentation fault when connecting to redcrab
01:01 * grondilu tries again
01:02 NekoGloop in case you hadnt figured out, the kitten generator was a planned part of the modpack
01:02 VanessaE well, that's one component where you'd definitely have needed to make your own textures :-)
01:02 VanessaE last I knew the only cat in the game was one that wasn't exactly...normal :-)
01:03 NekoGloop who said it needed to be.
01:03 NekoGloop and fuck off already.
01:03 OldCoder Easy, kitty
01:03 NekoGloop who are you talking to.
01:03 * grondilu had a segmentation fault again
01:04 * VanessaE spawns a few more kittens from the machine and places them in OldCoder's pile.
01:04 OldCoder NekoGloop, I am considering the answer
01:04 OldCoder Oh, more kittens
01:04 OldCoder Great
01:04 * OldCoder looks around for the kitten portal spellbook
01:04 NekoGloop so you gave him a bunch of Unknown Items
01:04 NekoGloop how... generous.
01:04 OldCoder Unknown Kittens
01:04 OldCoder Hmm
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01:05 VanessaE NekoGloop: from my generator I forked before you broke yours :-)
01:05 OldCoder Could I use the Unknown Blocks to build something?
01:05 NekoGloop you broke mine.
01:05 VanessaE OldCoder: in theory, but the result would look...weird.
01:05 NekoGloop not me.
01:05 * sokomine grabs a single kitten and runs off before the spawners produce more
01:06 VanessaE NekoGloop: well either way I fixed it.
01:06 NekoGloop VanessaE: you deleted it.
01:06 * VanessaE hands a purring kitten to NekoGloop.
01:06 * NekoGloop crushes it
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01:07 scienceandhorror !up rarkenindyn.mooo.com
01:07 moltenbot Minetest server rarkenindyn.mooo.com:30000 UP
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01:07 VanessaE NekoGloop: I keep backups :-)
01:07 * sokomine thinks that there's something wrong with nekogloops player animation
01:07 * NekoGloop puts the resulting blood and gore on sokomine's head
01:07 * sokomine complains!
01:08 sokomine now you have to build a shower for me, nekogloop :-)
01:08 * VanessaE spawns a few more (live, unharmed) kittens and puts them in sokomine's pile.
01:08 * NekoGloop shoots them all.
01:08 sokomine hmm...do guns work?
01:08 OldCoder Hmm
01:09 sokomine maybe they just drop food items for the kittens
01:09 NekoGloop they drop more kitten innards.
01:11 VanessaE NekoGloop, hush.
01:11 * VanessaE sprays the channel down to clean up said guts and innards, generates a few dozen new kittens, and places then randomly about the channel.
01:15 mauvebic very klingon day on irc lol
01:15 VanessaE (also, I rebuilt my kitten generator to run on mese crystal blocks, which I happen to have an infinite supply of ;) )
01:15 VanessaE (so if neko cuts off the supply of kalite, that's his problem, not mine :-) )
01:16 VanessaE bbiab.  f00d.
01:17 mauvebic i already had my dinner (coffee and a cigarette lol)
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01:27 Kacey back
01:29 * Kacey cannot stand low-quality videos
01:30 * VanessaE returns with chicken ramen + chicken + sour cream = fake chicken stroganoff :-)
01:31 * Kacey is jealous
01:31 * VanessaE offers
01:31 VanessaE I shouldn't eat meals like this but DAMN IT'S GOOD. :-)
01:31 Kacey lol
01:32 Kacey i shouldnt eat as much as i do
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01:32 mauvebic my dinner was much less healthy lol
01:32 sokomine no, keep that. but do you have a dessert?
01:32 Kacey mountain dew and chocolate pie was my dinner
01:32 VanessaE mmm chocolate pie.
01:32 sokomine what is mountain dew?
01:33 * sokomine grabs the chocolate pie while waiting for an explanation :-)
01:33 VanessaE sokomine: think Mello Yello, or Mountain Lightning or it goes by a dozen other names.
01:33 sokomine i know what mountains are; but dew?
01:33 sokomine doesn't ring a bell, sorry
01:33 VanessaE a carbonated drink with a rather...difficult to describe flavor.
01:33 VanessaE something like lemon-lime but more subtle, less "sharp"
01:33 sokomine hm. sounds strange
01:33 VanessaE it's quite good.
01:35 Kacey it is the official redneck pop
01:35 VanessaE yup.
01:35 VanessaE prettu much
01:35 VanessaE pretty much*
01:35 sokomine so...a kind of orange lemonade?
01:35 Kacey sorry about that afk i had to help my grandpa with electronics
01:35 Kacey orange? no not at all
01:35 Kacey lemon-lime
01:35 Kacey ish
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01:37 sokomine sounds difficult to describe
01:37 VanessaE it is.
01:37 NekoGloop sokomine: the drink of game developers
01:37 jojoa1997 VanessaE: NPC mod is updated with more textures and aliases
01:37 jojoa1997 and i did test it
01:38 sokomine hm :-) maybe you ought to send celeron some then :)
01:38 sokomine i don't know if it's available at where he lives. in germany it isn't
01:38 NekoGloop nothing is available in germany :P
01:38 sokomine i tasted rivella while in swiss. describing that without drinking it seems almost possible as well
01:39 Kacey except for sausage and fast cars
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01:40 sokomine saussage...depends on the part. the one in bavaria is excellent. plus there is another type that is used for a grill (? furnace you place your food on...but mostly saussages in germany and not hamburgers or suchlike)
01:41 sokomine and we have something else the us doesn't: bread. try to get a bread in the us...almost impossible
01:42 jojoa1997 how do i get onto ##mtmarktwain
01:42 jojoa1997 when i type /join ##mtmarktwain
01:42 NekoGloop getting american made bread is easy
01:42 jojoa1997 i cant get on
01:42 NekoGloop also america has grills
01:42 Kacey and crappy cars
01:43 sokomine yes, of course. grills are popular. i just wasn't sure about the term. if i translated it correct
01:43 sokomine bread...no. no comparison
01:43 Kacey we have donuts
01:43 VanessaE you want real bread in America?  you have to make it yourself :-/
01:44 sokomine we have a lot of diffrent types of bread. a...grey bread with a crust is delicious! doesn't seem to exist in the us
01:44 jojoa1997 GO HOMEMADE BREAD
01:44 sokomine ah, ok. that might work :-)
01:44 sokomine some people do that here as well. there are even machines for it. though they can do only more or less quadratic breads
01:45 VanessaE same here, sokomine.
01:45 sokomine ah :-) good to know
01:45 VanessaE but for some reason, they never seem to give you the kind of yield you get for the same cost out of store-bought bread :-/
01:45 VanessaE which of course is stupid, one would think you could do it yourself for super cheap...not so much anymore.
01:46 sokomine the store-bought are optimized for cost...and will have slightly other idigrents
01:46 VanessaE tru
01:46 VanessaE true.
01:46 Doc22_ mah momma makes homemade bread FTW
01:47 VanessaE Doc22_: I miss my mom's home made bread :(
01:47 sokomine it's the same here. if you go by cost - bying is much cheaper than bying the indigrents and firing up your oven. doing it at home is just useful if you want to make sure there are no indigrents inside that you don't feel comftable with or if you want a super-fresh-still-warm-one
01:47 VanessaE sokomine: true on all counts.
01:48 VanessaE but the economy is shit here, so we all gotta focus on cost these days, such that quality takes a back seat now :(
01:48 NekoGloop now banana bread that's another story
01:49 sokomine there's a museum village about 2-3 hours by car away that exhibits old mills and has an old oven where bread is made. that one tastes especially good :-)
01:51 sokomine hm, yes, costs are a factor as well. brötchen (=small breads where you can eat 1-3 for a meal, covered with saussage, yam or cheese) lost a lot in quality in the recent years
01:51 sokomine banana bread sounds strange
01:51 jojoa1997 can anyone make mese crystals from blocks because jeija's mesecons does not let you
01:52 VanessaE sokomine: it's quite good. Pretty much a regular bread. but with bananas and some kind of of nuts (walnuts? I forget) added into the mixture before baking.
01:52 VanessaE very soft, moist, and sweet.
01:52 NekoGloop yes walnuts
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01:52 NekoGloop also a tad bit of sugar the way we make it ;-)
01:52 jojoa1997 can anyone make mese crystals from blocks because jeija's mesecons does not let you
01:53 VanessaE jojoa1997: his recipes are out of date :-/
01:53 sokomine walnut bread exists here as well. more of a rather french baguette variant than german bread. banana...havn't seen that
01:53 jojoa1997 i mean from block to crystal
01:53 jojoa1997 oh ok
01:53 VanessaE jojoa1997: yeah we know, thing is...I thought I fixed that?  are you using the latest mesecons git?
01:53 NekoGloop mesecons is broken last i checked
01:54 VanessaE I know I committed a code change recently to address that.
01:54 jojoa1997 oldcoders server
01:54 VanessaE OldCoder: what version/git pull is your copy of mesecons?
01:54 sokomine btw, mobf worked fine on my singleplayer world. this time i eliminated some other mods that did cause lag and stayed a bit in one area before running around. that seems to have helped mapgen
01:54 jojoa1997 he has mese crystals though i can get it through /giveme
01:54 sokomine the new trader npc is great!
01:55 VanessaE ok, if he has mese crystals but you can't cut a mese block apart, his copy of mesecons is out of date
01:55 * VanessaE checks her server.
01:55 NekoGloop that should be default function seeing as the mese block's a storage block.
01:55 jojoa1997 VanessaE: can you add my update
01:56 jojoa1997 to npcs
01:56 sokomine your npc where doing fine when i last checked my house on vanessas server :-) some where running around in it, some where exploring the vicinity
01:57 VanessaE ok, on my server, I'm definitely running the latest git of mesecons and of mintest_game (as the basis)
01:57 VanessaE OldCoder: please update your copy of minetest_game and of mesecons.
01:57 mauvebic hrmm, mixer gobbled up 1K barley and gave very little beer :(
01:58 VanessaE jojoa1997: soon; regarding mesecons, the correct behavior is to *cook* a fragment, a crystal, or a block, in a furnace or oven, to get mesecons wires.  If you have old minetest_game without crystals, then the craft switches to old mese = craft into mesecons wires.
01:58 VanessaE so in your case, OldCoder just needs to pull the latest mesecons git.
01:59 NekoGloop his minetest_game is up to date, he's running glooptest.
01:59 VanessaE ok.
01:59 VanessaE revised:
01:59 VanessaE OldCoder: please pull latest mesecons git.
02:00 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62450#p62450 i lol'd
02:00 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: [ModPack][x.x.x] GloopTest Pack! [glooptest] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
02:01 NekoGloop VanessaE: did you find who made the ingot texture?
02:02 VanessaE NekoGloop: Erhelemann (sp)
02:02 NekoGloop *ingot*
02:03 OldCoder VanessaE, I can't until Jeija talks to me again
02:04 VanessaE NekoGloop: checking...
02:04 OldCoder VanessaE, It breaks a bunch of mods
02:04 OldCoder I have been waiting to speak with him again
02:04 VanessaE NekoGloop: as of 0.2, it's marked as celeron55's contribution.
02:04 OldCoder VanessaE, IIRC my mesecons is mid-December
02:05 VanessaE OldCoder: too old, I made the necessary update about a week ago or so.
02:05 VanessaE (/me has commit access to mesecons master repo)
02:05 NekoGloop how does latest mesecons break things?
02:05 VanessaE NekoGloop: changes in the API.
02:05 NekoGloop oh right, to the stupid form.
02:07 OldCoder VanessaE, see above; I need to speak with Jeija. It breaks all the mods.
02:07 VanessaE NekoGloop: anyway, ingots, coal, and iron are celeron55's, clay lumps are by Erlehemann.
02:07 OldCoder Jeija and I patched BobBlocks but there are a bunch more
02:07 OldCoder Technic is not compatible
02:07 NekoGloop VanessaE: thank you
02:07 OldCoder VanessaE, ^
02:07 RealBadAngel im workin on new mesecons API
02:07 VanessaE OldCoder: wait, you must be using the nextgen branch?
02:07 VanessaE don't use that.
02:08 Kacey how did the api of mesecons change?
02:08 RealBadAngel a lot ;)
02:08 VanessaE aw shit.
02:08 Kacey how did it change
02:08 VanessaE jeija merged nextgen to master *right after* my last change
02:08 VanessaE dammit
02:08 Kacey haha
02:08 VanessaE https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/tree/5921f6d46caa18310435046a22d5aa0f529998f0
02:09 VanessaE OldCoder: use this commit.
02:09 RealBadAngel just download it, and look at pistons code
02:09 NekoGloop yup, github is shit ;)
02:09 VanessaE it's the last one before the nextgen merge
02:09 RealBadAngel you will see how the api works now
02:09 VanessaE OldCoder: git pull, git reset 5921f6d46caa18310435046a22d5aa0f529998f0, then install it.
02:09 RealBadAngel there are not register on on/off functions
02:10 VanessaE that'll get you the commit jojoa1997 needs, without breaking technic et.al
02:10 RealBadAngel you define them together with node definition
02:10 RealBadAngel same way as on_drop, on_place etc
02:10 Kacey do i want the new api?
02:11 RealBadAngel its nice
02:11 RealBadAngel i prefer it over the old one
02:12 Kacey how is it better?
02:13 NekoGloop how hard would it be to make the mesecons be floating wires like rba's wires?
02:13 NekoGloop that way you could make them be vertical a lot easier :P
02:13 Kacey there r vertical mesecons
02:14 NekoGloop ...
02:14 NekoGloop which have to be crafted.
02:14 Kacey or you can cheat
02:15 Kacey make a tree out of mesecons
02:17 NekoGloop seeing as the github gui now does most of what it should, i will prolly use github now
02:21 Kacey downloaded new mesecons
02:21 mauvebic there http://www.zimg.eu/i/2885501987 now i can make dinner lol
02:22 NekoGloop dinner usually entails some kind of food, in addition to the drink.
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02:23 NekoGloop If i make a node do negative damage, does it do the hurt animation or not?
02:24 mauvebic i meant real dinner lol
02:24 NekoGloop :)
02:25 NekoGloop what does .gitignore do?
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02:26 mauvebic hrm, dont use git lol
02:26 NekoGloop suck it.
02:26 mauvebic id have an easier time learning spanish
02:26 NekoGloop what does it do?
02:27 NekoGloop VanessaE: what does .gitignore do?
02:27 mauvebic its only good for projects with many inputs (imo)
02:28 VanessaE NekoGloop: filters out files you don't want in the project
02:28 VanessaE you add patters to it e.g. *~
02:28 NekoGloop mauvebic: personally i just wanna have one download link and that's it
02:28 NekoGloop VanessaE: so i can filter out thumbs.db?
02:28 VanessaE yup
02:28 NekoGloop just put thumbs.db in the file?
02:28 VanessaE just put that filename into .gitignore
02:28 VanessaE on a separate line
02:29 VanessaE one line per pattern/filename
02:29 * marktraceur would like to re-announce
02:29 marktraceur In 13 days, we'll be having a documentation sprint for core
02:29 marktraceur Consider coming, it'll be fun
02:29 marktraceur http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4243
02:29 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Documentation sprint, 2013-01-19, in #minetest-doc (Page 1) - Unofficial engine development - Minetest Forums
02:29 marktraceur Also, if you're in the Bay Area, maybe we can organize some in-person sprinting also.
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02:30 Kacey how do i work a reciever?
02:30 VanessaE a receiver?  those are an automatic component used with wall levers and buttons.
02:31 jojoa1997 just wanted to say cya wont be here as often now that school starts tomorrow. will still be here but not regularly adios
02:31 VanessaE just place wires, receivers will appear on their own as needed
02:31 sokomine btw, any sightings of redcrab? besides that automatic message on his server?
02:31 VanessaE sokomine: what was that last thing I saw him say just before I signed off?  I didn't see all of it
02:31 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/jungle.png
02:31 jojoa1997 see you guys later
02:31 VanessaE rea+1
02:31 VanessaE RealBadAngel: +1
02:32 RealBadAngel for me? theyre yours design :)
02:32 sokomine no, that wasn't him. we all think it's an automatic message. there's one when the 2d-map is generated as well
02:32 sokomine the message said that the server will have to be restarted
02:32 VanessaE RealBadAngel: +1 for doing something useful with my design, which I shamelessly copied from bas080's original mod :D
02:32 OldCoder VanessaE, I am using git
02:33 OldCoder VanessaE, If you can help me work this out I'd like to discuss it this week
02:33 OldCoder Can't pull tonight
02:33 VanessaE OldCoder: when you're ready, git pull; git reset 5921f6d46caa18310435046a22d5aa0f529998f0; then copy the mesecons folder to your working install.
02:33 VanessaE that'll avoid any adaptations of other mods.  I run that commit.
02:33 OldCoder Ah!
02:33 OldCoder Good
02:33 OldCoder Can we discuss this in a few days?
02:33 NekoGloop VanessaE: ok, now how do i get a zipball/tarball download link? ;)
02:33 OldCoder I have spent several days
02:33 VanessaE sure.
02:33 OldCoder On MT changes
02:34 sokomine the jungletrees look good but could use improvements. those of bas* come with diffrent colored leaves and have those...roots at the bottom. would be great if that would be possible as well :-)
02:34 VanessaE NekoGloop: top of the page, left.  there's a ZIP button.  copy link location from that button.
02:34 NekoGloop wasnt there a way to get a link that said zipball in it?
02:34 VanessaE https://github.com/yourname/yourmod/archive/master.zip
02:34 VanessaE e.g. https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/archive/master.zip
02:35 NekoGloop e.g. https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/archive/master.zip
02:35 VanessaE yep, that should do.
02:36 NekoGloop so click it then :D
02:36 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62192#p62192
02:36 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: [ModPack][0.0.2] GloopTest Pack! [glooptest] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
02:37 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;feature=endscreen&amp;v=I2XdnuZKMlM hahaha im going to die
02:37 moltenbot Kacey's link: Let's Play Minecraft Episode 21 - YouTube
02:37 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg4vgTGST2o
02:37 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: ???/Lon???????/Matryoshka -Band Arrange Ver- ????/Soraru? - YouTube
02:37 NekoGloop :P
02:39 VanessaE NekoGloop: you should move everything up one level, or put a modpack.txt at the top level of your git tree.
02:39 VanessaE makes downloads easier.
02:39 VanessaE (for the less-than-educated out there who can't figure it out :) )
02:42 NekoGloop VanessaE: happy? https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/commit/3849349c19fb9f8ad0eb9b821efb8f5f98e71ae9
02:42 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: Create modpack.txt ?  3849349 ? GloopMaster/glooptest ? GitHub
02:42 VanessaE lol
02:42 Kacey well i must go to bed i will be back tomorrow
02:42 VanessaE perfect :)
02:43 NekoGloop Well i fear I've falled a bit behind
02:43 NekoGloop I expected to have made some kind of machine at this point.
02:43 NekoGloop Oh well.
02:44 NekoGloop github was incredibly easy to use, now that the gui actually functions as more than a restricted file exploror
02:44 NekoGloop exploror, it seems.
02:45 NekoGloop VanessaE: now you get to make a texture in HDX for compressed kalite and chains! :D
02:46 VanessaE compressed kalite is..an ingot yes?
02:47 VanessaE chains...er, 3dforniture has those :-)
02:47 NekoGloop compressed kalite is indeed an ingot
02:47 NekoGloop VanessaE: https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/blob/master/glooptest/textures/glooptest_chainlink.png
02:47 VanessaE (of all the mods to have chains, 3d *furniture*...odd huh?)
02:47 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: glooptest/glooptest/textures/glooptest_chainlink.png at master ? GloopMaster/glooptest ? GitHub
02:47 NekoGloop it's not furniture, it's *forniture*
02:48 NekoGloop there's a difference ;-)
02:48 VanessaE heh
02:49 NekoGloop https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/commits/master six commits in one day because I didnt wanna make up my mind :)
02:49 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: Commit History ? GloopMaster/glooptest ? GitHub
02:49 VanessaE NekoGloop: I need to see how they behave in practice first before I can know just what to make them look like in HDX.
02:50 NekoGloop VanessaE: they are a craft item, think of like a swingset, the chains that are on those.
02:50 VanessaE ok
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02:50 NekoGloop VanessaE: like this http://www.backyardcity.com/Swing-Set-Accessories/PIP-Swing-Chain-Extensions.htm
02:50 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: Swing Chains for your Swingset Swings - Chain-Extensions
02:51 VanessaE right, I got ya.
02:51 NekoGloop cept they arent zinc, they're steel but close enough :)
02:52 VanessaE I'll add support for it tomorrow.
02:52 VanessaE too tired to do any texturing now
02:52 NekoGloop heh.
02:52 NekoGloop compressed kalite is kalite ingots, cept not made in a furnace.
02:53 VanessaE shiny or dull?
02:53 NekoGloop shiny
02:54 NekoGloop your normal ingot texture should work, although you could also make it a sheet metal as well
03:10 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on the floor in the middle of the room and walks away quietly
03:12 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/commit/901f28e148b5eec3b9ebf73de5f046288658f922
03:12 VanessaE opinions?
03:13 Doc22_ looks good
03:13 NekoGloop looks great.
03:13 Doc22_ lol neko you beat me in good comments
03:17 NekoGloop ok well the minetest api has me annoyed again
03:18 VanessaE it does that to everyone.
03:22 NekoGloop open, you damn github program
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03:33 mauvebic lol
03:33 mauvebic How many javascript developers does it take to change a lightbulb?
03:33 mauvebic 10,000. 1 to hold the bulb, and 9,999 to turn the house around.
03:43 sokomine :-)
03:49 VanessaE heh
03:51 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/the_jungle.png
03:55 NakedFury it is fitting to play welcome to the jungle
03:55 NakedFury the game needs extra shrubs for the jungle
03:55 RealBadAngel i used existin stuff just
03:56 RealBadAngel vines as jungle tree fruits
03:56 NakedFury I know
04:04 VanessaE NakedFury: plantlife mod, junglegrass section.  four sizes, and they grow and die.
04:06 NakedFury need to check it out. 1 variety only or various with zies?
04:06 NakedFury sizes
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04:06 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/the_jungle2.png
04:07 NakedFury are those trees using 2 different leafs?
04:07 RealBadAngel yes
04:07 NakedFury leafs or leaves?
04:07 RealBadAngel leaves ;)
04:08 NakedFury that also sounds like *NakedFury leaves*
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04:11 NekoGloop not that many fucking windows dammit
04:15 kaeza1 hey Neko :3
04:15 kaeza1 hey all
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04:25 * NekoGloop punts github.exe across the room
04:32 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: are you going to make unified_inventory use the new creative digging?
04:41 NekoGloop OldCoder: https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/commit/58ebe714456d7326c4d5d31e1520a12d7477f8f5 this should be of use :P
04:41 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: Bugfix: don't derp with item names ?  58ebe71 ? GloopMaster/glooptest ? GitHub
04:50 * NekoGloop now has an avatar on github w00t :3
04:51 * VanessaE peeks in.
04:53 VanessaE RealBadAngel: also, make Unified Inventory always give infinite items like default creative does now.
04:55 NekoGloop miau
04:55 VanessaE meow.
04:55 VanessaE NekoGloop: kitten generator working again? :)
04:55 NekoGloop no
04:57 NekoGloop pfft, sync damn windows github client
04:57 NekoGloop i wanna see my awesome avatar in the program
05:01 VanessaE no sync :)
05:02 VanessaE unless you've managed to cram 21 minutes' worth of elapsed time into the last 5. :-)
05:02 NekoGloop yes because I'm a badass like that ;-)
05:02 NekoGloop also, have mese picks become a crapton more OP?
05:03 VanessaE OP?
05:03 NekoGloop over-powered
05:03 VanessaE oh.
05:03 VanessaE dunno, all I changed was the recipe. :-)
05:04 NekoGloop well I've tunneled to the point i can find talinite without breaking mine
05:04 * VanessaE refreshes the git page madly waiting for that last commit to show up
05:04 VanessaE how deep?
05:05 NekoGloop 250 under sea level
05:05 NekoGloop also what commit?
05:05 VanessaE a mese pick can reach to -250 easily.
05:05 VanessaE [01-06 23:57] <NekoGloop> pfft, sync damn windows github client  <-- that commit.
05:06 VanessaE a mese pick has..what..1000 uses?
05:06 NekoGloop VanessaE: I was talking about my avatar
05:06 VanessaE OH
05:06 VanessaE heh
05:06 NekoGloop on the client i still have the default avatar
05:07 VanessaE wait a minute here...
05:07 VanessaE minetest.register_tool("default:pick_mese", {
05:07 VanessaE [...]
05:07 VanessaE cracky = {times={[1]=2.0, [2]=1.0, [3]=0.5}, uses=20, maxlevel=3},
05:07 VanessaE }
05:07 VanessaE 20???
05:07 VanessaE surely I'm misreading that.
05:07 NekoGloop that would explain why arol tools never ever die
05:07 NekoGloop seeing as they have 300
05:08 NakedFury they should be higher
05:10 NakedFury a thousand millions times more if that is possible and not just stupid crap on my part
05:10 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZ3ozdA
05:10 NekoGloop ah the luminous glow of talinite ore
05:11 NekoGloop that ore vein is literally those two blocks btw
05:12 NakedFury could the light it gives off be more bluish?
05:12 NekoGloop not to my knowledge
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05:13 NekoGloop there's also kalite like, everywhere.
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05:14 NakedFury being able to color the light would be nice
05:14 kaeza1 back
05:14 hmmmm that was already done before
05:14 hmmmm it made things 3x as slow
05:14 hmmmm but it was very cool looking
05:14 NekoGloop it looks like there's blood covering the walls of the cave, with all this kalite
05:15 NakedFury ohh it was tested and proved NOT to work? sucks
05:19 NekoGloop I found natural mese blocks! :DDDD
05:21 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZ3ozdQ kalite EVERYWHERE
05:21 NekoGloop also 5 stacks of mese crystal fragments
05:21 VanessaE why so many fragments>
05:22 NekoGloop because i wanted to
05:22 VanessaE eh
05:22 VanessaE heh
05:22 VanessaE I ..uh...think you should tone down how much kalite you generate :)
05:24 NekoGloop I cant understand the arcane parameters that go into generate_ore ;-)
05:24 VanessaE chunks_per_mapblock = 1/6/6/6,
05:25 NekoGloop just a few ;-)
05:25 VanessaE make that final value smaller, I think.
05:25 NakedFury example?
05:25 VanessaE that is, 1/7/7/7 instead of 1/6/6/6 let's say
05:25 NekoGloop https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/commit/c251a3be9a43475d74148295fcf1614d220d6cfd
05:25 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: Less kalite, more rock. ?  c251a3b ? GloopMaster/glooptest ? GitHub
05:25 mauvebic vanessa still awake?
05:25 NekoGloop Because rocks are cool.
05:26 VanessaE because that's just "one divided by seven, divided by seven, divided by 7", thus 1/343 or a 0.29% chance?
05:26 VanessaE mauvebic: yes
05:26 NekoGloop VanessaE: i changed it to eight, shouldnt be more common than coal now.
05:27 NakedFury is that lower than divide by 6?
05:27 mauvebic should i give the front of the mixers distinctive textures?
05:27 VanessaE NakedFury: yeah, since they're divisors, larger numbers to the right of the first / result in smaller chances.
05:27 VanessaE 1/6/6/6 = 1/(6*6*6) = 1/216 or about 0.46%
05:28 VanessaE mauvebic: definitely, yes.
05:28 mauvebic ill give it like, an LCD display
05:28 VanessaE sounds good.
05:29 NekoGloop good idea for a project: fix what's broke before adding more broken stuff
05:29 NekoGloop mojang could learn something there.
05:29 NekoGloop 10 commits, one night.
05:29 NekoGloop all because I fix something as soon as it breaks xD
05:30 NakedFury mojang is sort of always fixing stuff. I would say good ratio of new stuff/fix stuff
05:30 NakedFury from what I read of the snapshot changelogs
05:31 NekoGloop they just say they fixed it but in reality they broke it in a different way
05:31 mauvebic the mixer is working reasonably bug free, a stack of 100 barley will give a full tanks beer :-)
05:32 VanessaE mauvebic: nice.
05:32 mauvebic all thats left is the valves
05:32 NakedFury to be fixed in next snapshot then finally fixed 6 months later for that huge release
05:32 NekoGloop how do i link to a specific point in a youtube video?
05:34 NakedFury you got to google that because I always forget and end up googling it
05:38 NekoGloop I really should be in bed
05:38 NekoGloop :P
05:39 VanessaE ditto
05:39 VanessaE feel like crap
05:39 NekoGloop lol
05:39 NekoGloop well that's not me
05:39 VanessaE I have a cold coming on, and no amount of chicken soup is gonna stop it :-/
05:39 NekoGloop I'm actually more energetic at nighttime
05:40 NekoGloop I just have to be somewhere in the morning.
05:41 NekoGloop I wonder if if this mod gets anywhere if people will make addons for it
05:41 VanessaE they will if you write it well
05:41 VanessaE and give it lots of time to catch on of course
05:41 NekoGloop seeing as everything that will do something other than compatibility or items will have an api :-)
05:42 NekoGloop personally the glooptest.ore_module.register_ore is exponentially easier to use than writing it all out by hand.
05:42 NekoGloop also it's only one dependancy: glooptest
05:42 NakedFury what we need is a text editor plugin that has easy access to all the minetest.something_here_to_register commands
05:43 NekoGloop not all the different modules, just glooptest.
05:43 NekoGloop because of how i set it up :D
05:43 NekoGloop honestly only good things seem to be coming of my way of doing a modpack :D
05:44 NekoGloop also https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/blob/master/glooptest/ore_module/init.lua#L8
05:44 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: glooptest/glooptest/ore_module/init.lua at master ? GloopMaster/glooptest ? GitHub
05:44 NekoGloop ;)
05:45 NekoGloop in case if anyone is wondering, kalite torches are better to use than coal ones because lava wont make them burst into flames.
05:47 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/2204477806
05:47 NekoGloop why is it pumping piss.
05:47 mauvebic ..
05:47 NekoGloop xD
05:48 VanessaE mauvebic: pull request? *puppy dog eyes*
05:48 NekoGloop sorry, that's just what it looks like
05:48 NekoGloop make it more brown or something
05:48 mauvebic well without valves working storage tanks are still pretty useless
05:48 mauvebic theyll empty out with a connection
05:48 VanessaE and btw, that's a waste of perfectly good beer there :)
05:48 VanessaE (not that I care about beer)
05:48 mauvebic imagine: beer fountains at spawn lol
05:49 VanessaE hw=eh
05:49 VanessaE heh
05:49 mauvebic either placing a valve under the tank will stop it empty or ill program a punchnode/meta switch
05:49 NekoGloop nu!
05:49 NekoGloop use on_rightclick!
05:49 NekoGloop :D
05:49 mauvebic though id rather do it through valves then add more metas lol
05:50 NekoGloop also, https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/wiki this.
05:50 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: Home ? GloopMaster/glooptest Wiki ? GitHub
05:50 VanessaE better to make valves work :)
05:50 NakedFury I wish github links didnt have so many ???? marks on them
05:50 NekoGloop because of the dots
05:50 NakedFury is it not sure about the title?
05:50 NekoGloop because of the dots
05:54 NakedFury its late. good night
05:54 VanessaE night
05:55 NekoGloop tis never too late for minetest
05:57 NekoGloop random commit: https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/commit/869e3979782ab95a0d186257bece470effb6b18c
05:57 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: Update README.txt ?  869e397 ? GloopMaster/glooptest ? GitHub
05:59 NekoGloop wait, could i add .gitignore itself to .gitignore and have it work?
06:00 VanessaE I think it's ignored by default isn't it?
06:00 NekoGloop if it was then would it be in my repo?
06:00 VanessaE true.
06:02 NekoGloop nope. doesnt look like it
06:03 NekoGloop https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/commit/064b67c82fbdbe766419501f298df912e08cb463#commitcomment-2391835
06:03 moltenbot NekoGloop's link: Ignore .gitignore ?  064b67c ? GloopMaster/glooptest ? GitHub
06:05 NekoGloop I DARE YOU TO XD
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06:38 OldCoder Hi
06:39 Oblivion1500 hey oldcoder, how are you?
06:39 OldCoder Oblivion1500, Hi!
06:39 OldCoder Not sure
06:39 OldCoder I will try to
06:39 OldCoder make use of commits mentioned above though
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06:40 Oblivion1500 lol yea
06:41 kaeza hi all
06:45 VanessaE hey
06:47 kaeza what's up V?
06:47 VanessaE not much
06:49 kaeza !up vanessae.mine.bz
06:49 moltenbot Minetest server vanessae.mine.bz:30000 UP
06:50 kaeza strange...
06:50 VanessaE lemme guess, deader than 4 o'clock?
06:50 kaeza ?
06:50 kaeza connected ^_^
06:50 VanessaE [01-07 01:50] <kaeza> strange...  <--- what?
06:51 kaeza 04:44:57: ERROR[main]: Client disconnected <-- this
06:51 VanessaE oh
06:51 OldCoder VanessaE, Hi
06:51 OldCoder VanessaE, what was that commit again?
06:51 OldCoder For Mesecons?
06:51 OldCoder I will try it now
06:52 VanessaE https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/tree/5921f6d46caa18310435046a22d5aa0f529998f0
06:52 VanessaE that one
06:52 OldCoder Now...
06:52 OldCoder Do I get latest mesecons git and apply that as a patch
06:53 OldCoder Or is that new
06:53 OldCoder and latest mesecons git has it already?
06:53 OldCoder In short, what do I do?
06:54 OldCoder VanessaE, ^
06:55 VanessaE ok
06:55 OldCoder ok?
06:55 OldCoder I have pulled git
06:55 OldCoder But I did this
06:56 OldCoder just the other day and most mods were not compatible; including technic
06:56 VanessaE cd mesecons folder; git pull; git reset 5921f6d46caa18310435046a22d5aa0f529998f0 ; copy the mesecons folder to your usual place.
06:56 VanessaE pretty simple :-)
06:56 OldCoder Hmm
06:56 OldCoder Wait
06:56 OldCoder So this reverts to a slightly older version?
06:56 VanessaE yup
06:56 OldCoder Ah
06:56 OldCoder How does Jeija feel about this?
06:56 VanessaE with my luck I'm using the 'reset' command wrong, but it works anyway.
06:56 VanessaE I dunno, I haven't seen him in a couple of days
06:57 OldCoder k
06:57 VanessaE but I get the impression that he'd rather mod authors adapt to the API changes.
06:57 OldCoder Uh huh
06:57 OldCoder When it breaks
06:57 OldCoder About every mod
06:57 OldCoder Sure
06:57 OldCoder No problem
06:57 OldCoder With many mod authors gone
06:57 OldCoder I will be delighted surely to go patch a dozen mods
06:57 OldCoder :P
06:58 OldCoder So this is a new mesecons that will work with old mods
07:00 VanessaE yep
07:01 VanessaE this is the last commit before the nextgen branch was merged
07:01 kaeza WE URGENTLY NEED A STANDARDIZED MOD DATABASE!!
07:01 kaeza it should make it easier to update mods
07:03 OldCoder kaeza, Hah
07:03 OldCoder kaeza, There are no standard mods
07:03 OldCoder I modify them myself
07:03 OldCoder Here is the database
07:04 OldCoder http://minetest.org/data/modzips/
07:04 moltenbot OldCoder's link: MOD ZIP files used in OldCoder worlds
07:04 OldCoder The source is the database
07:04 kaeza Yeah
07:04 kaeza but I mean why won't everybody use github
07:04 OldCoder Oh
07:04 OldCoder That is a different issue
07:04 kaeza so a simple git pull would pdate the mod
07:04 kaeza update*
07:04 OldCoder VanessaE, I have updated Pipeworks
07:04 OldCoder kaeza, Yep
07:05 mauvebic not everyone likes using github :p
07:05 OldCoder VanessaE, apparently you have running water now
07:05 mauvebic or knows how lol
07:05 kaeza true
07:05 kaeza (I didn't know how to use it until recently)
07:06 VanessaE OldCoder: yes, but it's not entirely up to date.
07:06 * VanessaE looks at mauvebic :-)
07:06 OldCoder VanessaE, explain
07:06 kaeza I am working on a command line program that scans the readme for download links
07:06 OldCoder VanessaE, should I update again?
07:06 kaeza and guesses which program to use to update
07:07 OldCoder Any other mod changes?
07:07 OldCoder Anybody wish to specify mods? Come'n' get em
07:07 OldCoder Mods!
07:07 VanessaE nope, mauvebic just needs to get that pull request put together so pipeworks can have running beer/oil/lava/plasma too :)
07:07 OldCoder Ah!
07:07 kaeza OldCoder: computerz :P
07:07 OldCoder kaeza, ?
07:07 OldCoder Is it updated?
07:08 OldCoder kaeza, is computer updated?
07:08 kaeza oh, it was two weeks ago :P
07:08 OldCoder Ah
07:08 OldCoder Link again please
07:08 kaeza I ned to update that
07:08 OldCoder I will update right now
07:08 VanessaE OldCoder: it has "Admiral" 64 and 128.  it's perfect :)
07:08 mauvebic i need coffee if im going to get valves finished lol wife wont be home till 6am anyhow
07:08 OldCoder VanessaE, computer?
07:08 * VanessaE gives mauvebic coffee intravenously.
07:08 OldCoder Link please
07:08 kaeza OldCoder: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-computer-0.1.4.zip
07:08 VanessaE OldCoder: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3830
07:09 OldCoder Those are both the same, right?
07:09 kaeza ninja'd
07:09 kaeza lol
07:09 mauvebic strangely well timed with the mesecons discussion lol - http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/01/07/0146236/what-are-the-unwritten-rules-of-deleting-code?utm_source=slashdot&amp;utm_medium=twitter
07:09 moltenbot mauvebic's link: What Are the Unwritten Rules of Deleting Code? - Slashdot
07:09 kaeza OldCoder: the link I gave is the direct link
07:09 kaeza VanessaE linked to the topic post
07:10 kaeza forum topic*
07:10 VanessaE I always link to the forum post unless I have reason not to :-)
07:10 kaeza k :P
07:10 VanessaE kaeza: so...NES, Wii, Xbox.... :)
07:10 kaeza VanessaE: TextBox 180
07:11 kaeza :P
07:11 VanessaE not pictured in your first post :)
07:11 kaeza not yet in
07:11 kaeza I am doing the N64, NES, SNES, ...
07:11 kaeza have way too many things in my TO-DO list
07:12 VanessaE heh
07:12 mauvebic lol get in line
07:12 mauvebic when im done with pipeworks i have to go back to nodex and make it so you can sell land
07:12 kaeza heh
07:13 mauvebic and blueprints
07:15 mauvebic otherwise its not really an economy mod if you cant assign values to everything
07:15 kaeza any suggestion of a good program intended for pixel artists? gimp is not very friendly in that sense
07:15 kaeza I was looking for something like Character Raiser
07:16 kaeza but it's only for 8bit images
07:16 mauvebic i only use gimp/blender (not for the same thing)
07:16 VanessaE no idea
07:16 VanessaE been years since I used a program intended for pixel art
07:16 mauvebic why not turn the zoom way up on gimp?
07:17 kaeza oh lol forgot I had ASEprite installed ages ago
07:18 mauvebic sweet coffee's ready
07:21 mauvebic theres just the 1 left-to-right valve with on /off states?
07:21 VanessaE yup
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07:22 kaeza cr*p
07:22 mauvebic hmm
07:22 mauvebic ok how about if the tanks take 10x more time to empty as they do to fill up?
07:22 VanessaE wireless being stupid again? :-)
07:22 VanessaE mauvebic: seems okay to me
07:23 kaeza VanessaE: yeah :(
07:23 VanessaE they're supposed to be storage tanks, not pumps :-)
07:23 mauvebic well yeah but without an up/down valve i cant stop the flow from tanks completely
07:23 VanessaE hrm
07:23 mauvebic so 1:10 empty:fill
07:23 VanessaE ok go with it
07:24 VanessaE if a solution presents itself later that lets us up the flow rate without breaking, we can fix it then
07:24 mauvebic well i was already thinking they shouldn't empty out as fast as they fill up
07:25 mauvebic but yeah ill have to figure out some to cut the flow/turn the tanks off
07:26 mauvebic well the valve should be easier than i though then its the same code than entry panels but sideways lol
07:26 VanessaE right
07:27 OldCoder NEWS Worlds going down for updates and backup
07:28 OldCoder Any more mod updates or requests?
07:28 OldCoder No?
07:28 kaeza streets?
07:30 OldCoder kaeza, Explain
07:30 OldCoder streets?
07:30 kaeza http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2984
07:30 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Mod] Create modern cities: Asphalt and more [1.0] [streets] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
07:30 OldCoder R
07:30 OldCoder Interesting
07:30 OldCoder VanessaE, mauvebic ^ any comments?
07:31 VanessaE good mod.
07:31 VanessaE I have it on mine,.
07:31 mauvebic yeah its well thought-out
07:31 OldCoder It's a deal then
07:31 OldCoder We go modern!
07:31 mauvebic i dont have it but i gave em a trafficlight to make use of :-)
07:31 OldCoder Streets a'comin'
07:31 OldCoder Looks fun!
07:31 mauvebic i already use like special nodes for roads that are highlighted by the mapper tools
07:32 mauvebic i wanted to adapt the ufo edit i have to add a car for that mod
07:33 OldCoder Ah
07:35 kaeza mauvebic: GTA: MT :P
07:36 mauvebic its really not difficult i already have a free mazda model i just need to remove elevation from ufos
07:36 VanessaE ok, time for me to get to bed.  Night all.
07:36 mauvebic nity nite
07:36 kaeza night V
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07:39 markveidemanis hi
07:40 mauvebic mills are doable with meshes
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08:09 OldCoder Does anybody know how to fix register_effector for new mesecons?
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08:24 OldCoder VanessaE, the new mesecons still breaks technic and everything else. I need to revert.
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08:43 kaeza zzz
08:47 mauvebic sweet i got valves working, and just in time for the early morning 420 lol
08:49 kaeza cool
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08:50 markveidemanis hello
08:50 markveidemanis i come in peace
08:50 markveidemanis Honestly!
08:51 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/2900400259
08:51 mauvebic thats pretty much it for tonight lol
08:51 kaeza hi markv
08:51 markveidemanis i love it!
08:51 markveidemanis what are the blue things
08:51 mauvebic the fun part begins with merging all this back with pipeworks lol
08:52 markveidemanis hHahQAHahaAHahAhAhahA
08:52 markveidemanis is there a minetest server channel
08:53 mauvebic no there are varying degrees of dev channels tho lol
08:53 markveidemanis im starting one!
08:53 markveidemanis #mt-servers
08:53 markveidemanis chanserv guard?
08:53 markveidemanis how ti
08:54 mauvebic good luck even this channel gets pretty boring at times
08:54 markveidemanis no, #mtmt is the mt-server channel
08:54 markveidemanis oh, hi kaeza :D
08:56 markveidemanis Silence in the Court!
08:56 markveidemanis no, Order In The Court
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08:59 markveidemanis hi
09:06 markveidemanis i made a new Channel
09:06 markveidemanis #mt-servers
09:07 markveidemanis join there to discuss servers
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09:25 kaeza OldCoder: for some reason the locked chests are not getting an inventory, what could it be?
09:28 OldCoder kaeza, which world?
09:28 kaeza 30004
09:28 OldCoder The latest changes are simply this:
09:29 OldCoder Added or updated Streets, Computer, Glooptest. Mesecons. Many more changes to Mark Twain world only.
09:29 OldCoder Shouldn't be an issue.
09:29 OldCoder kaeza, can you test this in some other world?
09:29 OldCoder Let's see if it's global.
09:30 kaeza I don't have interact on any other
09:30 OldCoder ? So
09:30 kaeza o wait
09:30 OldCoder Go and you'll get it
09:30 kaeza I'll test it on 30010
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09:31 kaeza note that this is only for newly placed chests
09:31 OldCoder kaeza, Any chance it started earlier?
09:31 kaeza no idea
09:31 kaeza I haven't been placing new locked chests
09:31 OldCoder kaeza, see the news at http://minetest.org/
09:31 moltenbot OldCoder's link: OldCoder Minetest Site
09:31 OldCoder Tell me which of those changes it might be
09:32 kaeza I think PilzAdam was working on a patch to minetest_game that only allows the chest owner to see it's contents
09:32 kaeza maybe that's it
09:33 kaeza maybe it's bugged
09:34 kaeza OldCoder: ^
09:38 OldCoder
09:38 OldCoder Well, how do I remove this patch?
09:39 kaeza revert minetest_game
09:39 kaeza I will get you a link to the commit
09:41 kaeza IDK how to do it
09:41 kaeza I'm new to git
09:43 kaeza https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commit/a0ba7cf97302eab03f331a4cd81b02aa2cecc05d
09:43 moltenbot kaeza's link: Show the contents of the locked chest only to the owner ?  a0ba7cf ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub
09:44 mauvebic either right click or minetest.show_formspec causing the problem
09:45 mauvebic just the chest portion that dont show or the whole formspec?
09:46 kaeza found it
09:46 kaeza It seems the "owner" meta is not being set
09:47 mauvebic usually thats done with after_place_node(pos,placer)
09:47 mauvebic it is being set
09:47 mauvebic check line 1278
09:48 mauvebic i think it might this: "list[nodemeta:".. pos .. ";main;0,0;8,4;]"..
09:49 mauvebic try "list[context;main;0,0;8,4;]" instead see what happens
09:50 * VanessaE wanders back in
09:50 VanessaE can't sleep :(
09:50 kaeza hello V
09:50 kaeza I'm more inclined for line 1341
09:50 kaeza that's where the error is
09:50 VanessaE hi
09:51 mauvebic if has_locked_chest_privilege(meta, clicker) then    ??
09:51 kaeza it's checking for the owner but the owner is not set anywhere
09:51 kaeza unless i'm missing something
09:51 mauvebic it is set
09:51 kaeza where?
09:51 mauvebic 1278
09:51 OldCoder VanessaE, your git reset command is wrong but I got it to work...
09:52 OldCoder Remind me another time and I'll provide the correct one
09:52 OldCoder mauvebic, kaeza let me know if there's a chest path
09:52 OldCoder mauvebic, kaeza let me know if there's a chest patch *
09:52 mauvebic ive set meta inventories for nodes, theyre not usually indexed with positions, thats for detached nodes
09:53 mauvebic *detached invs
09:53 mauvebic tired lol
09:54 mauvebic look at how the list is defined for regular chests
09:54 mauvebic its not "list[nodemeta:".. pos .. ";main;0,0;8,4;]"
09:55 mauvebic ah wait
09:55 kaeza ?
09:55 mauvebic perhaps right click formspec dont relate to the node the same way
09:56 kaeza hmm
09:56 mauvebic but what happens when you click? nothing, empty formspec, missing parts of formspec?
09:56 kaeza just no formspec
09:56 kaeza nothing at all
09:57 kaeza only on *newly* placed chests
09:57 kaeza old chests work ok
09:57 mauvebic then its either rightclick that doesnt work or its minetest.show_formspec
09:58 mauvebic if right click works for other mods then you have your culprit
09:58 mauvebic and maybe minetest.show_formspec is very recent addition, ? if you dont have latest
09:59 mauvebic well yeah old chests will work so long as the formspec isn't updated
09:59 kaeza I'll repull minetest_game and test
09:59 VanessaE OldCoder: sorry :-/
09:59 mauvebic i meant latest version of game/engine
09:59 kaeza I have latest engine
09:59 kaeza freshly pulled a few mins ago
10:00 mauvebic so when was minetest.show_formspec added?
10:00 kaeza dunno
10:00 kaeza it's been a while since I last played
10:00 kaeza (*actually* played the game)
10:01 mauvebic it usually takes me awhile before i update too (arch habits)
10:03 kaeza mauvebic: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/da9707950e0f69d8a906572fc55f516277e057c4
10:03 moltenbot kaeza's link: Add TOCLIENT_SHOW_FORMSPEC to display formspecs at client from lua ?  da97079 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
10:03 kaeza Jan 02, 2013
10:03 OldCoder VanessaE, No need for sorry! I thought you'd like having the fix
10:04 kaeza OldCoder: are you using latest engine?
10:05 mauvebic 5 days old, yeah give it some time lol
10:05 mauvebic tell someone, but be patient lol
10:06 kaeza perhaps OC is using latest mt_game but not mt
10:06 kaeza so it does not know about TOCLIENT_SHOW_FORMSPEC
10:08 mauvebic could be
10:08 mauvebic you saying it works on your local but not his server?
10:09 kaeza i'm now trying local
10:09 kaeza my internet is slow
10:10 mauvebic my internet is fast but im slow, going on 6am lol
10:11 kaeza works ok on local
10:12 OldCoder kaeza, Explain what you mean
10:13 kaeza OldCoder: did you update to latest git of the engine?
10:13 kaeza (minetest)
10:13 OldCoder I am reviewing
10:13 OldCoder kaeza, They do not have LevelDB
10:14 OldCoder Therefore I can't use latest
10:14 OldCoder I can do so
10:14 kaeza wait
10:14 OldCoder But I must merge upstream changes
10:14 OldCoder Into my new codebase
10:14 OldCoder I can downgrade the _game until there is time to do this
10:15 kaeza you can fork minetest_game and simply revert PilzAdam's changes
10:15 OldCoder kaeza, Very well!
10:15 OldCoder Can you provide a patch?
10:15 kaeza hmm
10:15 kaeza gimme a few mins
10:15 OldCoder Are they all in one commit?
10:15 OldCoder If so this may be easy
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10:21 kaeza OldCoder: git revert a0ba7cf97302eab03f331a4cd81b02aa2cecc05d
10:22 OldCoder kaeza, I will attempt this now
10:24 OldCoder kaeza, shutting down worlds. This will take a few minutes
10:25 * VanessaE pokes Taoki
10:25 kaeza OldCoder: k
10:25 Taoki hi
10:25 kaeza hi
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10:37 kaeza back
10:37 VanessaE wb
10:37 kaeza thx :)
10:37 kaeza guess what happened... :(
10:38 kaeza I'm seriously going to kill it
10:38 OldCoder kaeza, Can you retest?
10:38 kaeza OldCoder: k
10:38 OldCoder ty
10:39 kaeza yw
10:40 kaeza OldCoder: It's working ok now
10:40 kaeza \o/
10:40 OldCoder kaeza, tyvm!
10:40 * OldCoder is delighted
10:41 * OldCoder is tired but dances the Happy Kitten dance
10:41 kaeza lol
10:41 OldCoder I will preserve the patch
10:41 * kaeza joins OC in his dance
10:41 kaeza k
10:41 OldCoder Indeed!
10:41 OldCoder Test and be amazed at the wonders of the improved worlds
10:41 OldCoder !
10:42 OldCoder markveidemanis, that includes you
10:42 markveidemanis ...
10:42 markveidemanis me?
10:42 OldCoder Try your world
10:42 markveidemanis ok
10:42 markveidemanis what did you Do
10:42 kaeza I'm gonna get some asphalt and start building my city :D
10:42 OldCoder markveidemanis, I am really tired
10:42 OldCoder Just go play
10:42 OldCoder Build roads
10:42 markveidemanis YAY ok
10:43 markveidemanis ive been wanting to hear that for some thime...
10:43 markveidemanis time
10:43 OldCoder Thyme
10:43 OldCoder You timed out
10:43 OldCoder Try again
10:43 markveidemanis yep
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10:43 markveidemanis timed out?
10:43 markveidemanis takes a while to get to the media screen
10:43 OldCoder Yep
10:44 OldCoder Remember that this world includes YOUR patches
10:44 markveidemanis yep
10:44 markveidemanis i have a couple more mods for you to add later
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10:57 Calinou what is the anisotropic filtering quality in minetest? (with the checkbox)
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10:58 VanessaE works fairly well for me, except on transparent objects e.g. glass or papyrus, probably because of the default scaling type
11:01 klunk Hello. And is there a way to produce help pop-up ("bulles d'aide" fr ) inside this tab (settings) with lua files, meanning they will be able for all operating systems ?
11:04 klunk (I noticed too than validate mapping keyboard save settings chekboxes too, otherwise I must put them everytime )
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11:09 VanessaE bbl
11:09 Calinou VanessaE: quality as in, 2×, 4×, 8× or 16×?
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11:10 Calinou defaultsettings.cpp only has true/false setting
11:10 Obiewan1111 Hey everyone! :)
11:11 markveidemanis hellooo
11:13 Obiewan1111 How's it going?
11:23 Calinou fine
11:24 * klunk understood bubbles must be driven by OS, and thanks Calinou
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11:25 Calinou http://ompldr.org/vZ3o3NA/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%20-%2007012013%20-%2012:23:21.png <= how I feel today
11:25 Calinou klunk: no, the tooltips can be generated by minetest (like nodes/items in inventory)
11:25 Calinou requires C++ though :P
11:26 klunk Calinou: ouch (feelings nooooo too, but for that !)
11:26 klunk off topic help to keep other threads "clean" no ?
11:27 Calinou lol, I got an antispam question when posting in offtopic
11:27 Calinou there are no moderators for offtopic :P
11:27 Obiewan1111 Calinou: You don't want an Offtopic section?
11:27 Calinou klunk: not really, but this is the minetest forums, that's why
11:28 Calinou not a fond of OT sections, it makes the whole thing feel less professional
11:28 Calinou if people use them properly it can be good
11:28 Calinou but I bet this will turn into memes and bronies :-D
11:30 klunk Calinou: I agree it makes the whole thing feel less professional
11:31 klunk but searching a stuff in forum and having to deal with ... postssss heum... not really usefull is (I hope was) a pain too
11:32 Obiewan1111 Well, it brings the community closer.
11:32 Calinou 'lunch, bye
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11:43 markveidemanis who has a minetest server
11:43 markveidemanis go to #mt-servers
11:53 markveidemanis Any of you know *zourent* or *Zourent* ?
11:56 markveidemanis Hi all, sadly the GameBoom website was hacked through (apparently) a Drupal bug. Hackers modified files and installed scripts, and doing so damaged a lot. I'm working hard to get the site back online but that means forcing unplanned upgrades and changes, so it will take some weeks. Please join me in #GameBoom at FreeNode IRC for updates.  ghostshell
12:19 markveidemanis HI
12:19 markveidemanis what can i use .set for
12:19 markveidemanis /set
12:20 kaeza /set creative_mode 1
12:20 kaeza /set creative_mode 0
12:20 kaeza /set time_speed 72
12:20 kaeza ...
12:21 kaeza markveidemanis: ^
12:21 markveidemanis ok
12:22 kaeza if you "/set time_speed 0" then time is frozen
12:22 kaeza 72 is normal
12:22 kaeza >72 is faster <72 is slower
12:22 markveidemanis any more settings
12:23 markveidemanis and how do i make night Darker?
12:23 kaeza dunno
12:26 markveidemanis wheres the end of mapgen
12:38 markveidemanis hi sfan
12:43 kaeza (10:22:59) markveidemanis: wheres the end of mapgen <--- ?
12:43 markveidemanis end of the map
12:43 kaeza ~30900
12:43 kaeza in any dir
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12:48 markveidemanis thats too small
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12:51 OldCoder technic/item_pickup.lua:9: attempt to index local 'inv' (a nil value)
12:51 OldCoder Can anybody suggest a fix for this?
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12:56 markveidemanis i need to find an ENOURMOUS cave any ideas...HOW?
12:58 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62509#p62509
12:59 kaeza hey Neko
12:59 markveidemanis Modding is like wielding a heavy sword; do it long enough and you will get the hang of it.
13:00 NekoGloop yes yes that's my sig.
13:00 kaeza NekoGloop: +1
13:00 NekoGloop RealBadAngel should as well.
13:03 * kaeza pokes NekoGloop with a random link https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ViolentCity.rar
13:03 kaeza whoops
13:03 kaeza wrong link
13:03 kaeza https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/vc.zip
13:03 kaeza there
13:04 NekoGloop cant, ipad doesnt care about that ;)
13:04 kaeza k :/
13:05 markveidemanis Share your maps now!
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13:09 Jordach hey all
13:10 markveidemanis HELLO!
13:10 markveidemanis INEED A LAVA_LAKE
13:11 markveidemanis i have created 2 minetest-related channels
13:11 markveidemanis minetest maps and minetest servers
13:11 kaeza hey Jordach
13:11 markveidemanis also, a general channel
13:12 Jordach hello
13:12 kaeza </spam>
13:12 markveidemanis #mt-maps #mt-servers #mtmt #mtmarktwain
13:12 kaeza </spam>
13:12 markveidemanis <spam/>
13:12 markveidemanis il go now
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13:12 kaeza hehe
13:17 Jordach should we just ban markv?
13:17 NekoGloop joined #minetest
13:17 kaeza nah
13:17 Jordach (alright, yes, thats a little harsh, but sure; the annoyance is overwhelming)
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13:18 markveidemanis TEST!
13:18 markveidemanis Good
13:18 kaeza ...
13:18 markveidemanis 3...2...1
13:18 kaeza Jordach: forget what I said
13:18 * NekoGloop punts markveidemanis
13:18 Jordach and the first person to the ignore list is.....
13:18 NekoGloop Jordach: Meow.
13:19 Jordach NekoGloop, working on the 32x pack as we speak
13:19 NekoGloop Awesome :3
13:19 Jordach buckets look sharp as a steel sword now!
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13:26 NekoGloop Lol
13:26 NekoGloop You do know that not only are they resized they should be upgraded in appearance as well?
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13:28 markveidemanis anyone want to talk about maps or servers
13:28 markveidemanis or both?
13:28 markveidemanis or neither?
13:29 Jordach NekoGloop, thats what im doing duh
13:29 NekoGloop I'll go for neither
13:29 markveidemanis then...
13:29 NekoGloop Jordach: :P :D
13:29 markveidemanis i need to make #mt-unrelated
13:29 * Jordach isnt stupid you know
13:30 * NekoGloop thinks you are but that's beside the point
13:30 markveidemanis why the *
13:30 * markveidemanis
13:30 * markveidemanis *
13:30 markveidemanis why the stars
13:31 markveidemanis who is in a good mood
13:31 NekoGloop everyone but you
13:32 markveidemanis WHY?!
13:32 * Jordach hands NekoGloop some catnip
13:32 * NekoGloop nomnomnomnom
13:34 Jordach thing is, i like to help people that either help me or need some info cleared up
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13:35 markveidemanis_ HI!
13:36 markveidemanis_ how do i mke ** disconnect from IRC?
13:37 markveidemanis_ AHA!
13:42 NekoGloop *insert smartass comment here pointed at markveidemanis*
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13:55 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
13:55 Jordach aw man
13:55 kaeza hey
13:55 Leuthihi Hello
13:55 Jordach nekogloops gone#
13:55 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/vRisR.png thats my 32px renders of the default textures
13:55 kaeza Jordach: +1000
13:55 * Jordach is doing a Minetest faithful 32x pack
13:56 Leuthihi Is there a way to make mesecons work from farther away? As soon as there's no player near to it it simply stops working.
13:56 Jordach Leuthihi, nope.avi
13:56 Leuthihi Jordach: why.jpg
13:56 Jordach because minetests_codebase.mp3
13:57 kaeza cause_of_bugs_in_minetest.xcf
13:57 PilzAdam Leuthihi, there is
13:57 Leuthihi So it's not limited in mesecons to improve performance?
13:57 PilzAdam see active block radius in minetest.conf
13:57 Leuthihi PilzAdam: thanks.
13:57 kaeza PilzAdam: ?
13:57 kaeza is that new?
13:57 PilzAdam no, not really
13:58 Jordach its been here since 0.3.x apparently
13:59 * kaeza needs to read the documentation more
14:02 Jordach PilzAdam, the latest minetest_game under 0.4.4-win32 does not have infinite stacks
14:02 PilzAdam Jordach, do you have it self compilet
14:02 Jordach win32
14:02 PilzAdam *compiled
14:02 Jordach you clearly missed that
14:03 * Jordach is using the stable until update is mandatory
14:03 RealBadAngel hi all
14:03 kaeza hey
14:04 Jordach hey RealBadAngel
14:04 thexyz PilzAdam: explain https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/issues/107
14:04 moltenbot thexyz's link: Add xPanes and xFences mod to the default game ? Issue #107 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub
14:04 RealBadAngel for those who havent seen the jungle early mornin today:
14:04 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/the_jungle.png
14:05 Jordach \o/
14:05 PilzAdam thexyz, minetest_game shouldnt define new drawtypes
14:05 kaeza RealBadAngel: is that in minetest_game?
14:05 PilzAdam they should be done in the engine
14:05 thexyz PilzAdam: those are nodeboxes
14:05 thexyz problems with that?
14:05 RealBadAngel not yet, but we r pretty close to that point :)
14:05 PilzAdam they are something like a new drawtype
14:05 kaeza cool
14:05 thexyz PilzAdam: so what?
14:05 kaeza I miss jungles from 0.3.x
14:06 thexyz weren't nodeboxes made for that?
14:06 thexyz like, defining new drawtypes without hacking the engine
14:06 PilzAdam nodeboxes are static (for stairs etc.)
14:06 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/jungle7.png
14:07 PilzAdam but these panes define a new drawtype (I would call it "panelike" or something like this)
14:07 Jordach ...and?
14:07 Jordach who gives a shit.
14:07 PilzAdam and drawtypes are handled by the engine, not by mods
14:08 thexyz I disagree
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14:09 thexyz you mean, we should have meseconlike, xfencelike, panelike, etc.. drawtypes, right?
14:09 thexyz instead of using nodeboxes
14:09 thexyz pipelike too
14:09 PilzAdam nodeboxes are an own drawtype and they are static
14:09 thexyz PilzAdam: where's that specified?
14:09 thexyz that nodeboxes have to be static
14:09 PilzAdam you cant change them at runtime
14:10 thexyz ok
14:10 thexyz so, we change nodes, not nodeboxes
14:10 PilzAdam yea, and thats not the prefered way
14:10 thexyz there's no other way ATM
14:10 Jordach thexyz is correct, xpanes/fences changetheir nodes
14:10 thexyz and there probably never will
14:11 thexyz because otherwise we'd need shitton of drawtypes
14:11 PilzAdam for xpanes we could patch the existing "fencelike" drawtype and a new "panelike" drawtype can be created too
14:11 PilzAdam *xfences
14:11 thexyz how about KISS principle?
14:11 RealBadAngel if c55 will finish node_with_meta, there will be possibility to change nodeboxes
14:11 thexyz RealBadAngel: that's bad idea
14:12 thexyz (for panes)
14:12 thexyz (or xfences)
14:12 RealBadAngel but for many other stuff its a must have
14:12 thexyz probably
14:12 Jordach cant we just have "nboxdtype"
14:12 Jordach which is a mod that provide panes, fences etc
14:13 PilzAdam also the engine handles drawtypes much faster than Lua with changing nodes
14:13 Jordach bull.
14:13 thexyz PilzAdam: so, you prefer to hack into engine and add things that would be used 1-2 times instead of doing the same using existing methods
14:13 RealBadAngel thexyz, what about merging my treegen changes
14:13 thexyz RealBadAngel: will test & merge today
14:13 PilzAdam thexyz, how often is "fencelike" used in minetest_game?
14:14 RealBadAngel thexyz: thx
14:14 PilzAdam only once, but mods can use it too
14:14 PilzAdam same with new drawtypes
14:15 RealBadAngel i request for one more drawtype
14:15 thexyz PilzAdam: I don't think someone will ever use that panelike
14:15 RealBadAngel same as water, to get the semi transparent nodes
14:15 RealBadAngel like ice for example
14:15 PilzAdam I dont thing somone will use "allfaces_optional"
14:15 thexyz PilzAdam: xfences were made because of that
14:16 PilzAdam its only use is for leaves
14:16 thexyz to drop fencelike
14:16 thexyz PilzAdam: that one is more generic
14:16 thexyz and is not documented at all
14:16 PilzAdam it would be better to patch the existing fencelike instead of doing it (in a hacky way) in Lua
14:16 thexyz are we talking about panes?
14:17 PilzAdam <thexyz> and is not documented at all <- https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L296
14:17 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: minetest/doc/lua_api.txt at master ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
14:17 PilzAdam thexyz, I am talking about xfences
14:17 Jordach 32x chests!
14:17 Jordach http://imgur.com/a/DNmez
14:17 moltenbot Jordach's link:             Photo Album - Imgur
14:17 thexyz PilzAdam: well, if you call this "documented"...
14:18 thexyz Jordach: how about doublechests (like in MC)?
14:18 Jordach theyre nodebox like based
14:18 thexyz those should be relatively easy to implement (using 2 nodes)
14:18 Jordach (in fact they are ENTITIES to LWJGL)
14:18 PilzAdam thexyz, maybe ask other people what they think: Create a real drawtype in the engine or a hacky one in Lua
14:18 RealBadAngel heheh, indeed, there are signs that it exists, so documented ;)
14:18 thexyz PilzAdam: I agree with xfences part
14:18 thexyz now about panes
14:19 Jordach having a function to make your own nodes would be nice
14:19 Jordach (in the panes fashion)
14:19 PilzAdam thexyz, panelike drawtype can be used for glasspanes, ironpanes...
14:20 PilzAdam and doing it in the engine is not hacky like doing it in Lua
14:20 thexyz PilzAdam: ok, two things
14:20 thexyz (like I said)
14:20 thexyz "panes fashion", huh
14:21 thexyz should you be able to define "pane" width?
14:21 RealBadAngel "icelike" type :) ice, smoked glass etc :)
14:21 thexyz how should everything be textured, etc, etc..
14:25 PilzAdam thexyz, btw: what about this? https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/20879b85ff502177034458dd6d00641076c75ea3
14:25 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Disable all HP handling if enable_damage is false ?  20879b8 ? PilzAdam/minetest ? GitHub
14:26 Minetest-tan GIT: RealBadAngel (RealBadAngel) commited to celeron55/minetest: L-Systems treegen update. 8b75736c6f 2013-01-07T06:13:14-08:00
14:26 thexyz PilzAdam: dunno, better discuss with c55
14:27 RealBadAngel thexyz: since im done with treegen, i will try to fix meshes buffer problem
14:28 RealBadAngel caves can wait, this is real bug
14:28 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, it will save you a lot of time if you learn to use git's CLI and usage of branches
14:29 RealBadAngel im treating git as the interface only anyway
14:30 kaeza mt two cents http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62528#p62528
14:30 moltenbot kaeza's link: Shader Mod for Minetest (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
14:30 kaeza my*
14:30 PilzAdam kaeza, +1
14:33 kaeza that guy is getting of my nerves
14:33 kaeza GAWD!
14:33 kaeza thx
14:34 Jordach hmm, should i create a 64x minetest pack by using this algorithm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hqx
14:34 moltenbot Jordach's link: hqx - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14:34 thexyz can't we just ban all members who participated in such a discussion for a day or so?
14:35 PilzAdam no, dont ban me!
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14:36 Jordach does anyone like my 32x cobble?
14:36 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/F5XLu.png
14:36 PilzAdam Jordach, nice, keep it up
14:36 Jordach at first they look like a photo, dont they
14:37 Jordach but thats pure pixel art + blur + rgb noise
14:37 * Jordach will ignore desert sand / stone until sand / stone are done
14:37 Jordach (colourise in gimp ftw)
14:38 RealBadAngel its nice, but can anybody explain me why all are tryin to show cobblestone as bricks? :)
14:38 thexyz ok, done
14:39 Jordach dunno
14:39 Jordach not even VanessaE over there can draw like that
14:39 markveidemanis I LOVE the cobbel
14:39 kaeza who?
14:40 RealBadAngel there is of course regular cobblestone, but most are not regular shapes
14:40 kaeza whoops
14:40 kaeza wrong channel
14:40 markveidemanis AHHA
14:40 * Jordach laughs
14:41 RealBadAngel we could have stone bricks (regular) and cobble like this for example: http://www.droidforums.net/gallery/data/500/thumbs/cobblestone.png
14:43 RealBadAngel irregular shape from crushing stone, and regular from crafting using smooth stone
14:44 markveidemanis who wants to talk about <textures/servers/maps>?
14:45 markveidemanis Textures #mt-textures   maps #mt-maps   servers #mt-servers
14:46 markveidemanis Umm join plz...
14:47 thexyz should I /join #freenode and tell them that you're abusing the network?
14:48 markveidemanis i will
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14:49 rubenwardy hi all
14:49 kaeza hey rubenwardy
14:50 Jordach hey rubenwardy
14:50 rubenwardy :P
14:51 markveidemanis hi kaeza
14:51 kaeza hi again markv
14:53 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62510#p62510
14:53 rubenwardy is he saying C++ is an inferior language, or that it is close to machine code?
14:53 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Gui Pictures for Minetest (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
14:54 kaeza rubenwardy: that post is wrong. C++ is not low level
14:55 kaeza but yes, C++ patches are cumbersome
14:55 kaeza (for the average joe minetest user)
14:56 rubenwardy I would guess that by low level he means close to machine code
14:57 RealBadAngel low level is the machine code
14:57 rubenwardy strings are annoying in c++, you have to do std::----("",string)
14:57 RealBadAngel assembler. its symbolic language. after it there are only 1 and 0's
14:58 kaeza strcat(s, "abc") FTW!!
14:58 rubenwardy thats it
14:58 Jordach new grass get! http://i.imgur.com/VozeD.png
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14:58 rubenwardy my memory fails me in c++ std namespace. The only ones I use regularly is std::cout and std::cmp
14:59 kaeza Jordach: just one suggestion: can you make them more tileable?
14:59 Jordach kaeza, i hate tiling
14:59 kaeza k
14:59 RealBadAngel textures have to be seamless
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15:00 Jordach again 32x hand drawn scaled versions are hard
15:00 RealBadAngel jordach can i have the texture?
15:00 Jordach RealBadAngel, why
15:00 Jordach kaeza, http://i.imgur.com/MP9CF.png
15:00 PilzAdam thexyz, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/57083bf971b2963b8cc433723c4117f243b45101
15:00 RealBadAngel i will show you somethin
15:00 Jordach fix
15:00 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Connect fencelike drawtype to every walkable node ?  57083bf ? PilzAdam/minetest ? GitHub
15:01 kaeza Jordach: +100
15:01 rubenwardy lol, pilzadam: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=61401#p61401
15:01 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: [Forum Feature Request] Offtopic Section! (Page 1) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums
15:01 Jordach does the actual dirt look like cisouns dirt
15:02 kaeza dunno, haven't seen cisoun's pack
15:02 PilzAdam rubenwardy, :D
15:02 Jordach huh
15:02 Jordach off topic is completely un moderated
15:02 Jordach trolling time.
15:02 * Jordach cracks knuckles
15:03 * VanessaE wanders in.
15:03 VanessaE *snif* hi all *cough*
15:03 Jordach VanessaE, seen my monster 32x textures?
15:03 VanessaE Jordach: I saw the screenshots, not bad.
15:03 Jordach better than yours
15:04 PilzAdam hey VanessaE
15:04 thexyz PilzAdam: const f32 bar_len=(f32)((BS/2)-post_rad);
15:04 VanessaE :P
15:04 thexyz why did you change that?
15:04 VanessaE hey
15:04 PilzAdam thexyz, noticed that too
15:04 PilzAdam will fix it
15:04 * rubenwardy is making a new Irrlicht map editor
15:04 kaeza (I think the description of this forum section should be: "life, the universe and everything") <-- LOL
15:04 rubenwardy cause the existing ones are shite
15:05 rubenwardy thanks
15:05 VanessaE PilzAdam:  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/108
15:05 kaeza o hai V
15:05 PilzAdam yes, I saw this VanessaE
15:05 VanessaE hi kaeza
15:05 VanessaE PilzAdam: ok
15:05 PilzAdam thexyz, fixed
15:08 PilzAdam thexyz, also removed the useless ContentFeatures *f2
15:09 markveidemanis Hmmmm... BlockPlanet
15:10 VanessaE dead.
15:11 PilzAdam since they wanted to rewrite the whole thing in Java
15:11 VanessaE yup
15:12 Jordach \o/
15:12 markveidemanis i gonna try it...
15:12 markveidemanis i think it look nice
15:12 markveidemanis :P
15:13 markveidemanis pkgdesc="An Infiniminer/Minecraft inspired minetest fork with more features than minetest."
15:13 thexyz PilzAdam: and then in webgl
15:13 markveidemanis PKGBUILD
15:13 markveidemanis WTF
15:13 markveidemanis do i do with that
15:13 thexyz you makepkg it
15:13 thexyz (when on arch)
15:13 markveidemanis "https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/minetest.git"
15:13 markveidemanis im not on arch
15:14 thexyz then you don't need it
15:14 markveidemanis ^ seems to work
15:14 markveidemanis i do!
15:14 markveidemanis there has never been a fork of minetest
15:14 thexyz yeah, sure...
15:16 PilzAdam thexyz, so, what about the fencelike patch?
15:17 thexyz well, push it if it works
15:17 VanessaE nooooooooooo
15:17 thexyz (I didn't test it though)
15:17 VanessaE Leave fencelike alone.
15:17 VanessaE Sometimes you *don't* want fences to connect to nearby objects
15:18 PilzAdam VanessaE, why?
15:18 VanessaE in fact a lot of the time (no offense thexyz) it looks like shit
15:18 thexyz ok, then don't
15:19 VanessaE PilzAdam: fences should not, for example, attach to anything bearing a partly-transparent texture, such as glass or leaves, or to anything that's nodebox-based eg. stairs
15:19 VanessaE and if they connect to nearby objects, it's impossible to create nice vertical posts next to buildings et.al
15:19 VanessaE (think lampposts)
15:20 markveidemanis https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest
15:20 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: jordan4ibanez/minetest ? GitHub
15:20 markveidemanis help
15:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, there are also many uses for them if they do connect to nodes nearby (see some MC vids)
15:23 VanessaE PilzAdam: which is why they should remain a separate mod or a separate draw type at least.
15:23 PilzAdam and it also gets rid of the little gap between walls and fences
15:23 VanessaE fencelike_connects maybe.
15:24 VanessaE but please do *not* rewrite the default fencelike draw type to connect to neighbors.
15:24 markveidemanis compiling jordan4ibanez minetest....
15:24 PilzAdam if you want to create lampposts you can create new nodes with nodeboxes for that, you dont need to take fences
15:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: no, just no.
15:24 VanessaE bad idea.
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15:25 AlphabetDenied hi
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15:25 webdesigner97 hi :)
15:25 VanessaE hi
15:25 markveidemanis hi
15:25 AlphabetDenied hey, is there any MySQL or PhP "geeks" here?
15:25 AlphabetDenied i need some help
15:26 webdesigner97 me
15:26 thexyz then join #mysql or #php
15:26 AlphabetDenied really?
15:26 AlphabetDenied ok :D
15:26 AlphabetDenied wait a sec
15:26 thexyz this is #minetest
15:26 markveidemanis you can join #mtmt to discuss:D
15:26 AlphabetDenied ok, well i made a MySQL database and a MyPhPAdmin form/thingy
15:26 AlphabetDenied oh ok makr
15:26 AlphabetDenied mark*
15:26 markveidemanis k
15:27 AlphabetDenied webdesigner97 /join #mtmt
15:27 Jordach PilzAdam, that will piss a LOT OF people off and you will get burned like a witch with fire:basic_fame
15:28 Jordach s/fame/flame
15:28 VanessaE Jordach: +1 :-)
15:28 Jordach AlphabetDenied == marv
15:28 Jordach markv
15:28 Jordach **
15:28 markveidemanis no
15:28 AlphabetDenied what???
15:28 VanessaE PilzAdam: really though, there's WAY too much legacy to go rewriting the fencelike draw type.  Either leave that to the modders or make a separate draw type.
15:28 AlphabetDenied no im NOT!!!
15:28 AlphabetDenied :D
15:28 markveidemanis Exactly, He's not
15:29 AlphabetDenied im Ragnar :D
15:29 markveidemanis Lol
15:29 AlphabetDenied no really
15:29 AlphabetDenied i need help, so i ask here
15:29 kaeza hmm... I need an opinion on this... is it faster to call `minetest.after' and let the engine handle the timeout for you, or write an on_globalstep callback and keep track of time yourself?
15:29 kaeza also, any sideeffects like lack of timer precision?
15:30 VanessaE kaeza: probably the former, otherwise you have to manage it in Lua which is guaranteed to be slower.
15:30 kaeza (in minetest.after)
15:30 kaeza hmm
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15:31 markveidemanis hi
15:31 PilzAdam VanessaE, you are talking about "legacy" in a game that is in 0.4?
15:31 kaeza thx V
15:31 PilzAdam if you argue like this we can just stop develop minetest
15:31 VanessaE PilzAdam: s/in a game that is in 0.4/in a game that's been around for 2 years and has lots of maps, servers, mods, .../
15:31 markveidemanis textures, servers, maps
15:31 markveidemanis #mt-
15:32 kaeza stahp
15:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, if we dont change existing stuff we never can improve the game in some points
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15:33 Jordach ...and?
15:33 markveidemanis hi
15:33 VanessaE PilzAdam: in other words, you're proposing changing something just for the sake of change, without any hint of backwards compatibility, whereas if you just added a separate draw type, modders could just shift over to that *over time*
15:33 PilzAdam and also MC has done lots of things like this too and people are still playing it
15:34 Jordach want something new? code it and dont make it erronate
15:34 VanessaE fuck MC.
15:34 markveidemanis can someone make a modpack that adds all items from minecraft into minetest?
15:34 Jordach or at least dont change the legacy shit
15:34 PilzAdam VanessaE, well, it is backwars compatible
15:34 markveidemanis good timing right?
15:34 VanessaE PilzAdam: it is not backward compatible if it changes the way peoples structures are rendered.
15:35 VanessaE drastically changes, I mena.
15:35 VanessaE mean*
15:35 FreeFull Are you talking about glass?
15:35 VanessaE FreeFull: fences, the 'fencelike' draw type.
15:35 FreeFull ah, what does PilzAdam want to change?
15:36 VanessaE um, scroll back and read.
15:36 VanessaE oh wait, you just got in.
15:36 Jordach new trees and leaves: http://imgur.com/a/tmk8m
15:36 moltenbot Jordach's link:             Photo Album - Imgur
15:36 FreeFull VanessaE: I can't, I only joined the channel not too long ago =P
15:36 thexyz then read logs
15:36 FreeFull What logs
15:36 thexyz http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
15:36 moltenbot thexyz's link: IRC logs - Index for #minetest
15:36 PilzAdam these changes arent drastically
15:36 Jordach beat me to it
15:37 VanessaE he wants to make default fencelike draw type render all fences like thexyz's xfences mod does, which connects fences to neighboring objects
15:37 Topic for #minetest is now IRC: Be patient; get to know the rules | HOME: http://minetest.net | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | STATUS: http://servers.minetest.ru/ | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
15:37 moltenbot thexyz's link: About - Minetest
15:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: it may not seem that way, but they are quite drastic.
15:37 Jordach oh moltenbot
15:37 Jordach VanessaE, seen my trees?
15:38 VanessaE Jordach: no?
15:38 PilzAdam VanessaE, in fact they are only ~16 pixels more
15:38 VanessaE PilzAdam: in four directions.
15:39 VanessaE PilzAdam: try it some time.  build a vertical post next to a building.  Now replace all of it with xfences.  the result will look horrible as every fence post segment connects to the building now.
15:39 VanessaE this is a common use of wooden fences.
15:39 PilzAdam fences arent posts
15:39 VanessaE no but they are used as such and have been probably since the beginning.
15:40 PilzAdam what about people who want to use the fences as real fences and there is always a little gap between the wall and the fence?
15:40 kaeza Jordach: the grass looks too cartoonish at day
15:40 VanessaE by now, those people have already installed xfences if that gap is a problem.
15:41 Jordach cant help this with make seamless
15:41 Jordach also: shaders
15:41 kaeza oh
15:41 kaeza nvm then
15:41 PilzAdam VanessaE, I am one of those people and dont have xfence installed, because the default game already has fences but they are only used for posts
15:41 VanessaE ...
15:42 VanessaE why are we arguing?  just make a new draw type and no one will complain.
15:42 Jordach PilzAdam, stop trying to suit your self
15:42 kaeza Jordach: is it a requisite that they are based off default textures?
15:42 PilzAdam so I would like to fix them to behave like real fences and offer the other people a mod for posts instead
15:42 Jordach nekogloop challenged me to a faithful 32x
15:42 kaeza k
15:42 markveidemanis minetest minmal texture pack link plz
15:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, I have nothing against a new drawtype postlike
15:42 VanessaE and fwiw, I already created dedicated posts in homedecor (just wrought iron for now).  So it's not like I'm arguing to avoid a change I couldn't adapt to.
15:43 kaeza VanessaE: BTW any chance to make a "locked fridge"?
15:43 VanessaE kaeza: possible, though I don't know how that's done.  I'll look into it later.
15:43 kaeza I can help with that
15:43 * kaeza is taking a look at the code
15:45 VanessaE I'll look at it later, kaeza, not feeling too well at the moment to do any coding.
15:45 kaeza k
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15:47 Jordach i've been steeling http://i.imgur.com/3kcDr.png
15:48 VanessaE looking pretty decent
15:48 kaeza bbl
15:51 Jordach i've gone and "signed" my death warrant: http://i.imgur.com/FLLsP.png
15:52 VanessaE Jordach: you should write "Sign!" on them like everyone else does ;)
15:52 Jordach no
15:53 Jordach this is just like this: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/72747-faithful-32x32-pack-updatemore-mods-146/
15:53 moltenbot Jordach's link: Faithful 32x32 Pack [UPDATE:MORE MODS!] (1.4.6) - Minecraft Forum
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15:55 webdesigner97 are there minetest-server which support PHP?
15:56 Jordach nope.avi
15:56 Yoowhi Есть тут русские?
15:56 webdesigner97 was that an answert to my question or another? :D
15:56 PilzAdam webdesigner97, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/protocol.txt#L47
15:56 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: minetest/doc/protocol.txt at master ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
15:57 PilzAdam Yoowhi, this channel is in English
15:57 Yoowhi okay, sorry
15:57 webdesigner97 cause i thought about making a PHP-based server administration area based on php
15:58 PilzAdam webdesigner97, sure, you can do that
15:58 PilzAdam just implement the chat part of the minetest protocol
15:59 webdesigner97 but it would require a server with php. i guess a server at home won't have it
16:00 PilzAdam also, if you are interested in the networking stuff: c55 said it would be nice if someone could export all the protocol stuff of minetest into an libary
16:00 Jordach actually
16:00 Jordach wait
16:00 webdesigner97 well, I'm not good at networking. i'm just a 15 years old, german, hobby webdesigner
16:01 Jordach blockplanet succeeded in a slightly working php command and control center
16:01 Jordach (but it crashed minetestserver
16:01 Jordach )
16:01 webdesigner97 hm
16:01 webdesigner97 really?
16:01 webdesigner97 that's bad
16:01 thexyz Yoowhi: да
16:02 PilzAdam thexyz, can you please kick yourself?
16:02 thexyz PilzAdam: sure I can
16:03 thexyz was kicked by thexyz: thexyz
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16:05 * Jordach laughs
16:06 * Obiewan1111 Wonders why Jordach is laughing.
16:06 PilzAdam read the logs
16:06 Jordach thexyz kicked himself
16:07 Obiewan1111 Oh.
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16:11 sfan5 i got about 212 page views from minetest.net/downloads.php \o/
16:11 VanessaE yay :-)
16:12 sfan5 and i discovered that chyper.at links to my site
16:13 sfan5 Piwik is just useful
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16:13 sfan5 but the most people only stay 0 - 10 seconds
16:14 PilzAdam put a half naked women there and they will stay longer ;-)
16:15 sfan5 PilzAdam: i don't think the garman law allows that...
16:15 sfan5 *german
16:15 sfan5 ...
16:15 Jordach sfan5, move to switzerland :D
16:15 Jordach lo law essentially
16:15 sfan5 i skipped the "half" word
16:15 Jordach no*
16:16 sfan5 :/ but i want to stay in germany ;)
16:20 Jordach sfan5, learn my sarcasm
16:27 rubenwardy how to move a camera forward in the direction of looking in irrlicht?
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16:34 markveidemanis anyone have CSS
16:34 markveidemanis Counter Strike Source
16:34 markveidemanis Hi Zeg9
16:34 markveidemanis too late
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16:39 PilzAdam VanessaE, can you host a server with this for an hour or so? https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commits/enable_damage
16:40 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Commit History ? PilzAdam/minetest ? GitHub
16:40 rubenwardy markveidemanis: yes
16:41 markveidemanis hello
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16:42 markveidemanis wine wont work on linux
16:42 markveidemanis just installed it with wine...
16:42 markveidemanis but takes too long to load
16:44 rubenwardy I hate spam bots: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/punbb/viewforum.php?id=2
16:44 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: General Discussion (Page 1) -- Minetest Test Forum
16:44 rubenwardy I do not want to buy viagra, thank you
16:44 Jordach ...which never works...
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16:45 rubenwardy personal experience, Jordach?
16:45 Jordach sarcasm
16:45 Jordach im busy making 32x textures and i hate it when a message pops up..habit forces me to read it
16:47 rubenwardy ik
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16:48 Jordach ladders, doors, wood (testing), cacti, mese, glass: http://i.imgur.com/hlxPB.png oh and brick
16:49 Jordach also clay ceilinfg
16:49 Jordach ceiling
16:49 Jordach ***
16:51 john_minetest jeffrash: look at PM plz
16:52 VanessaE PilzAdam: ok, it's up.  new world, damage disabled, creative mode.  vanessae.mine.bz:30001
16:52 PilzAdam thx
16:57 markveidemanis help
16:57 markveidemanis linux wine
16:57 PilzAdam VanessaE, thank you, Im finished
16:57 markveidemanis ans counter strike source
16:57 VanessaE ok
16:57 ruskie markveidemanis, wait for the linux version of it?
16:57 markveidemanis No.
16:57 markveidemanis i have the version for windows
16:58 markveidemanis it installed perfectly
16:58 markveidemanis but wont run
16:58 ruskie checked the winedb?
16:58 ruskie on winehq?
16:58 markveidemanis winedb?
16:59 ruskie http://appdb.winehq.org/
16:59 ruskie appdb
16:59 moltenbot ruskie's link: WineHQ  - Wine Application Database
16:59 markveidemanis its there...
16:59 ruskie well read it...
17:00 ruskie it usually has instructions per app
17:00 ruskie if there are any specifics that need to be done
17:00 markveidemanis ok
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17:03 Jordach hey Calinou
17:04 VanessaE hey Calinou.
17:04 Calinou hi
17:04 Jordach Calinou, i've been working on a minetest faithful
17:05 Calinou heh
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17:05 Jordach http://imgur.com/a/p1Keb
17:05 moltenbot Jordach's link:             Photo Album - Imgur
17:05 Jordach nyan cats are now 32x
17:06 john_minetest Hey, is it possible to do all traffic of my minetest client over port 9050?
17:06 Jordach why
17:06 john_minetest Jordach: This is my TOR port.
17:06 Jordach aye
17:06 Jordach i dont think you can unless the server is
17:07 ruskie john_minetest, use torify client ?
17:07 john_minetest I wondered if it would be possible to join a server using a proxy or something.
17:07 ruskie though if it's udp not sure how well that goes through tor
17:08 john_minetest ruskie: Oh, torify looks nice.
17:09 ruskie but again not sure if udp goes over tor
17:09 john_minetest So griefers can hide their IPs... if it works it won't be so serious because onion routing is slow and lag is annoying. And griefers are stupid.
17:09 Jordach last time i checked torrents are udp and they work over tor
17:10 * Jordach does not see why this should be a problem
17:10 ruskie no they are tcp
17:10 ruskie udp was for the trackers and even then most trackers have been switching to tcp
17:10 ruskie though maybe the dht stuff is udp
17:11 Jordach find the change in this screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/DpfEQ.png
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17:12 ruskie compared to what?
17:12 rubenwardy 2d clouds?
17:12 klunk john_minetest: why don't put in rules than players must connect with a IP clear (and always the same ) ?
17:12 Jordach something got changed to 32x
17:12 rubenwardy hand
17:12 markveidemanis i have a problem with linux
17:13 * Jordach high fives rubenwardy
17:13 Jordach well done
17:13 markveidemanis i installed linux and assigned X memory to it from my hard drive
17:13 markveidemanis now i need more
17:14 john_minetest klunk: I think that lag will be so extreme with an onion routing network  between server and client that people will let it be. Also people should have the freedom to log in whereever they want, so IP changes may occur.
17:14 Calinou markveidemanis: you mean, swap?
17:14 Calinou swap is very slow, it is only an emergency solution
17:14 markveidemanis no
17:14 Calinou remove some software from autostart if your RAM is 100% used
17:14 Calinou and use a lighter desktop like LXDE
17:14 ruskie markveidemanis, disk space?
17:14 markveidemanis Yep
17:15 ruskie so assign more and resize
17:15 markveidemanis i assigned not enough Disc space for my os
17:15 markveidemanis thats what im asking
17:15 markveidemanis idk how to
17:15 klunk john_minetest: you right, but grieffers and cheaters are so time consuming ...
17:15 ruskie there's a gparted livecd that is easy to use
17:15 markveidemanis cd?
17:15 ruskie http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
17:15 moltenbot ruskie's link: GParted -- Live CD/USB/PXE/HD
17:15 klunk markveidemanis: yes live cd with Gparted (graphical)
17:16 markveidemanis Hmmm...
17:16 markveidemanis #lubuntu
17:16 ruskie that's the easiest
17:16 markveidemanis BTW, i have LXDE
17:16 ruskie else you can use gparted on your system directly
17:17 markveidemanis what i am tempted to do now: uninstall windows...
17:17 markveidemanis but can i?
17:17 markveidemanis to free up space
17:17 klunk GParted will be used from live CD, your OS is not important
17:17 ruskie remove the partition
17:17 ruskie that's that
17:17 ruskie or do you have data on there that you want to keep?
17:17 Calinou klunk: very few cheaters in minetest
17:17 markveidemanis not rly...
17:18 markveidemanis i just want more room
17:18 Calinou just delete your windows partition then resize your root linux partition ;)
17:18 klunk Calinou: that's seems true, but they are some
17:18 ruskie markveidemanis, so get that gparted livecd... boot with it and remove the windows partition then resize
17:18 Calinou resizing can cause loss of data, rarely
17:18 Calinou so be careful
17:18 Calinou backup your important stuff
17:18 markveidemanis i have 149GB on my local disk, but Lubunto has no access to that :(
17:18 Calinou did you run gparted with gksudo?
17:18 john_minetest markveidemanis: Knoppix live CD has got  Gparted  iirc
17:18 Calinou oh
17:19 Calinou knoppix is so 2006
17:19 Calinou just use a *buntu live CD :P
17:19 FreeFull Knoppix  used to be good
17:19 markveidemanis CD? i dont have a CD drive
17:19 ecube cfdisk
17:19 Calinou FreeFull: notch approves
17:19 FreeFull markveidemanis: live USB?
17:19 ruskie markveidemanis, you can use usb
17:19 Calinou unetbootin.sf.net
17:19 john_mt| markveidemanis: you can use a life USB
17:19 Calinou ^ supports ubuntu-based distros very well, and works on any OS
17:19 markveidemanis Hmmmm...
17:19 ruskie http://gparted.sourceforge.net/liveusb.php
17:19 moltenbot ruskie's link: GParted Live on USB
17:19 ecube oh wat
17:19 klunk [18:19] <FreeFull> markveidemanis: live USB?
17:19 klunk [18:19] <ruskie> markveidemanis, you can use usb
17:19 klunk [18:19] <john_mt|> markveidemanis: you can use a life USB
17:20 markveidemanis ok.
17:20 klunk (sorry for that)
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17:21 klunk markveidemanis: your BIOS need to boot USB before HDD
17:21 markveidemanis my what now?
17:21 klunk ?
17:22 klunk in your BIOS of your computer, USB boot must be able , and occurs in first place
17:22 Jordach 32x wool! http://i.imgur.com/0ede4.png
17:22 klunk before you hard drive where are wibddos, ...
17:22 Calinou heh, you just tiled the image :P
17:23 Jordach Calinou, much much easier than drawing that pattern
17:23 Calinou your grass is too dark, too
17:23 Calinou yeah
17:23 Jordach Calinou, no shaders
17:23 Calinou looks good though
17:23 markveidemanis so first, i need more spae
17:23 markveidemanis space
17:23 markveidemanis i think i take space off of windows
17:23 Calinou Jordach: i play without shaders and my grass is greener and brighter..
17:23 Jordach oh yes mr. src code
17:23 klunk markveidemanis: did you cleaned, find doubles files, etc ...
17:24 Calinou i have a patch to make sides of blocks darker (like when shaders are enabled), makes stuff prettier :3
17:24 Calinou it's on github if you want it
17:24 markveidemanis il worry about windows at a later date...
17:24 markveidemanis i need more space on linux
17:25 klunk Is there already some free space somewhere on your existing partitions ?
17:26 markveidemanis i have 2 Hard drives
17:26 markveidemanis one for all the files stuff and programs
17:26 markveidemanis and one for media
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17:27 klunk IMO, you have to figure first: playing with dimensions of partitions
17:27 markveidemanis how?
17:28 klunk or make a new partition table
17:28 markveidemanis linux needs mor
17:28 markveidemanis e
17:28 klunk rhaa, slitaz Linux need peanuts, for axample
17:28 klunk Is there actually free space somewhere or no
17:28 markveidemanis look...
17:29 markveidemanis when i installed Lubuntu, i got to choose how much space to assign
17:29 klunk also, are you familiar with primary or secondary partitions concept ?
17:29 markveidemanis no
17:29 markveidemanis is there a terminal command?
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17:32 klunk OK, you need to find better place/ people than me to explain you; be carreful, partitionning is something you need to think BEFORE
17:32 klunk otherwise you could accidently your whole systems
17:33 markveidemanis do i just reinstall linux but assign more spae?
17:33 markveidemanis space
17:34 Calinou new moreores version: new ingot/lump textures
17:35 klunk with live(USB, CD), you can play with partitions dimension of your hard drive, so I suppose this is no need to reinstall all
17:36 markveidemanis can you help with that?
17:37 Jordach Calinou, :O
17:37 klunk yes and no: I think you could read elsewhere better english spoken way to do it
17:38 klunk 1 boot a live stuff
17:38 klunk Gparted from this live system, as root2 run
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17:39 klunk hu ? 2 run Gparted from live system as root
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17:39 ragnar_ hi
17:39 Infinity_69 Hi!
17:40 markveidemanis Gparted?
17:40 klunk itself
17:40 ragnar_ hi
17:40 Infinity_69 Hi!
17:40 ragnar_ infinity_69
17:40 klunk hi :-)
17:42 ragnar_ infinity
17:42 Infinity_69 What do YOU want? you do NOT desirve to be talking to me!
17:42 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest: Disable all HP handling if enable_damage is false 8aa190606e 2013-01-07T09:39:45-08:00
17:42 ragnar_ infinity!
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17:42 Infinity_69 What do YOU want? you do NOT desirve to be talking to me!
17:42 ragnar_ AWESOME BOT I GOT
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17:42 Infinity_69 What do YOU want? you do NOT desirve to be talking to me!
17:43 ragnar_ :')
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17:44 ragnar_ !spam
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17:44 ragnar_ yay
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17:44 klunk [18:29] <markveidemanis> when i installed Lubuntu = from what support ?
17:44 ragnar_ klunk
17:44 ragnar_ say hi1
17:44 sapier hello, can anyone plz upload those models to a share you don't have to login for download? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1594&amp;p=3
17:44 ragnar_ john!
17:44 ragnar_ john_minetest
17:44 klunk ?
17:44 ragnar_ say hi
17:45 klunk hi !
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17:45 john_minetest hi?
17:45 ragnar_ :d
17:45 klunk yes :-)
17:45 ragnar_ say hi
17:45 ragnar_ jmt!
17:45 klunk again ?
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17:45 ragnar_ just say "hi"
17:46 ragnar_ xD
17:46 ragnar_ hi
17:46 el_Homo Hi!
17:46 ragnar_ xD
17:46 VanessaE wtf?
17:46 ragnar_ say hi vanessa
17:46 ragnar_ please?
17:46 ragnar_ btw
17:47 Jordach VanessaE, kicking time i think
17:47 ragnar_ wait!
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17:47 sfan5 hell Minetest-tan
17:47 sfan5 ...
17:47 sfan5 +o
17:47 sfan5 hello MinetestBot
17:47 MinetestBot Hello sfan5!
17:47 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to celeron55/minetest: Disable all HP handling if enable_damage is false 8aa190606e 2013-01-07T09:39:45-08:00 http://git.io/pkopXg
17:47 VanessaE you stupid...
17:47 MinetestBot GIT: GloopMaster (Gloop Master) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Better lump & ingot textures cd604fa9c8 2013-01-06T00:07:19-08:00 http://git.io/67ii8A
17:47 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/rssnotify.py", line 77, in rsscheck)
17:47 moltenbot MinetestBot's link: Better lump & ingot textures ?  cd604fa ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub
17:47 VanessaE there.
17:47 el_Homo [quote=Homer]If bart is el_Barto, then i will be el_Homo[/quote]
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17:49 MinetestBot GIT: GloopMaster (Gloop Master) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Better lump & ingot textures cd604fa9c8 2013-01-06T00:07:19-08:00 http://git.io/67ii8A
17:49 moltenbot MinetestBot's link: Better lump & ingot textures ?  cd604fa ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub
17:49 sfan5 ^ thexyz: i got fancy git.io links
17:49 markveidemanis mode/#minetest [+q #mintest!*@*] by VanessaE <==?
17:49 sfan5 ...
17:49 * VanessaE looks at the bot who is horribly outdated...?
17:49 VanessaE markveidemanis: typo.
17:49 el_Homo hi VanessaE
17:49 el_Homo We meet again
17:49 sfan5 he isn't even there
17:49 el_Homo who?
17:49 el_Homo hi
17:49 el_Homo crap
17:50 markveidemanis really?
17:50 el_Homo bot on bot doesnt work :/
17:50 el_Homo yeah :d
17:50 el_Homo mark!
17:50 el_Homo say hi!
17:50 markveidemanis No, ragnar
17:50 Jordach huh
17:50 el_Homo thank you :)
17:50 Jordach i just found a bug
17:50 VanessaE Jordach: *gasp* a BUG!?!?!
17:50 PilzAdam Jordach, yes?
17:50 el_Homo Jordach
17:50 Jordach shovels textures are rotated / even flipped by the engine
17:50 VanessaE :)
17:51 el_Homo yes
17:51 el_Homo not a bug
17:51 el_Homo its more logical
17:51 Jordach they may point to the top right, but actually "dig" dig
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17:51 Cantide any suggestions for latency problems?
17:51 markveidemanis klunk: what was the name of the program?
17:52 Elench >'
17:52 klunk GParted
17:52 markveidemanis k
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17:53 el_Homo He isn't here!
17:53 ragnar_ :'D
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17:53 ragnar_ !spam
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17:53 moltenbot el_Homo's link: HVGaming
17:53 markveidemanis mode/#minetest [+q #mintest!*@*] by VanessaE <==what does that do
17:53 Jordach Cantide, tools http://i.imgur.com/bZyAA.png
17:53 Jordach calinou*
17:53 ragnar_ that mutes somebody
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17:53 el_Homo He isn't here!
17:53 ragnar_ :'D
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17:53 el_Homo He isn't here!
17:54 ragnar_ >:'D
17:54 ragnar_ !spam
17:54 el_Homo http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/
17:54 ragnar_ vanessae!
17:54 ragnar_ vanessae
17:54 el_Homo She isn't here!
17:54 Zetetic Why won't my rubber trees grow?
17:54 markveidemanis someone try to talk in #mtmt
17:54 ragnar_ hey Zetetic
17:54 ragnar_ say hi
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17:54 Zetetic Hi ragnar_
17:54 ragnar_ no, just hi
17:54 ragnar_ "hi"
17:55 ragnar_ hi
17:55 el_Homo Hi!
17:55 VanessaE markveidemanis: it mutes, had I typed it right.
17:55 Zetetic hi
17:55 el_Homo Hi!
17:55 ragnar_ VanessaE
17:55 el_Homo She isn't here!
17:55 ragnar_ :D
17:55 VanessaE WHAT!?!?!?
17:55 ragnar_ I LOVE MY BOT!!!
17:55 ragnar_ :D
17:55 ragnar_ vanessa
17:55 ragnar_ say PilzAdam
17:55 ragnar_ PilzAdam
17:55 * VanessaE readies a steel-toed boot.
17:55 el_Homo He isn't here!
17:55 ragnar_ say a famous name!
17:55 VanessaE take your bot out of here.  now.
17:56 ragnar_ :'(
17:56 ragnar_ why?
17:56 ragnar_ it has some commands
17:56 ragnar_ 10<
17:56 VanessaE because we already have enough noisy bots as it is.
17:56 ragnar_ !spam
17:56 el_Homo http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/
17:56 moltenbot el_Homo's link: HVGaming
17:56 ragnar_ vanessae
17:56 el_Homo She isn't here!
17:56 ragnar_ but i like shim!
17:56 el_Homo was kicked by VanessaE: el_Homo
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17:56 * NekoGloop next up for glooptest: hammers, handsaws
17:57 NekoGloop Anyone wanna take a poke at what they do? ;-)
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17:57 VanessaE NekoGloop: hand saws I could see a use for, but how will you use hammers?  also, hi.
17:57 PoppSycle hi
17:57 markveidemanis Hi
17:57 PoppSycle Hi!
17:57 PoppSycle whats up
17:57 markveidemanis hi
17:57 PoppSycle Hi!
17:57 markveidemanis hi
17:57 PoppSycle Hi!
17:57 klunk thexyz: hello, thanks for hosting Zegaton map
17:57 PoppSycle xD
17:57 markveidemanis ITS A BOT!
17:57 PoppSycle :D
17:57 PoppSycle no
17:57 markveidemanis hi
17:57 PoppSycle Hi!
17:57 VanessaE or just do that.
17:57 markveidemanis was kicked by thexyz: markveidemanis
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17:58 thexyz klunk: np
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17:58 thexyz VanessaE: great
17:58 NekoGloop VanessaE: handsaws are for "snappy", "fleshy". hammers are "bendy", "cracky".
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17:58 Minetest-tan GIT: dannydark (dannydark) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fixed two typo's in commit 615fd498bc 8eb717d4d0 2013-01-07T09:57:12-08:00
17:58 MasterBot hi
17:59 VanessaE well, fat lotta good that did.
17:59 NekoGloop hammers are very inefficient at digging cracky though.
17:59 MasterBot What?
17:59 NekoGloop also handsaws only do low damage to fleshy.
18:00 NekoGloop :D
18:00 NekoGloop bendy nodes, btw, are mainly steel blocks atm.
18:00 VanessaE we have a bendy group?
18:00 NekoGloop Why yes, yes we do.
18:01 ragnar_ hi
18:01 ragnar_ :_
18:01 ragnar_ :)
18:01 ragnar_ oh thanks :D
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18:01 ragnar_ hi
18:01 thexyz oops
18:01 NekoGloop I'll add more nodes in the bendy group later, so as to give the hammer more use.
18:01 Cantide no help with latency problems?
18:01 ragnar_ wtfpl
18:01 ragnar_ take it off please
18:01 Cantide Leuthihi, maybe we can try it on a different port?
18:01 ragnar_ from wtfpl
18:01 VanessaE Cantide: what sort of problems are you having?
18:01 ragnar_ theyx
18:01 ragnar_ thexyz
18:02 thexyz ?
18:02 ragnar_ do -q from wtfpl
18:02 Cantide VanessaE, 10 minute or so lag, constantly
18:02 ragnar_ shim cant talk
18:02 ragnar_ no!
18:02 ragnar_ WTFPL!
18:02 ragnar_ please
18:02 ragnar_ pretty please?
18:02 VanessaE Cantide: ouch!  on a server you're running?
18:02 ragnar_ ???
18:02 Zetetic VanessaE: on a server our friend is running
18:02 ragnar_ thexyz
18:02 Zetetic I have minimal lag, but for Cantide it's terrible
18:03 ragnar_ -q WTFPL
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18:03 VanessaE Zetetic: assuming you're not running any slow mobs, a faster pipe or a faster processor is about all you can do.
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18:03 markveidemanis j
18:03 markveidemanis i have Gparted!
18:04 markveidemanis What now
18:04 markveidemanis ?
18:05 NekoGloop s/mobs/mods/
18:06 Zetetic Well, the server is running alright, because I have no problem(and I'm also not local to it)
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18:07 RagnarLaud hi
18:07 RagnarLaud whats up?
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18:08 RagnarLaud Psst
18:08 Minetest-tan RagnarLaud: nothin'
18:08 RagnarLaud so what do i do with Gparted?
18:08 RagnarLaud ***
18:09 RagnarLaud klunk
18:09 RagnarLaud ?
18:09 sfan5 uhh
18:09 RagnarLaud TWICE?!
18:10 RagnarLaud thats not my ip...
18:10 NekoGloop lol who let Minetest-tan talk.
18:10 RagnarLaud or is it...
18:10 Jordach NekoGloop, been getting further with my stuff
18:10 NekoGloop Jordach: Kewl. :D
18:10 Minetest-tan NekoGloop: do you have anything against me? :(
18:11 markveidemanis Good Ol' IP Randomizer
18:11 VanessaE PilzAdam: merge my texture tweaks :)
18:11 Jordach also, why is default_tnt in the textures folder.
18:11 NekoGloop Jordach: Because old idea
18:11 Jordach ike
18:11 Jordach ikr*
18:11 NekoGloop VanessaE: He dont care.
18:11 NekoGloop Minetest-tan: Nu D:
18:11 VanessaE I guess not, heh
18:11 markveidemanis WOW>>>
18:12 markveidemanis /mode #minetest +q
18:12 markveidemanis thats a big list...
18:12 NekoGloop And that's because you're an idiot
18:12 klunk RagnarLaud: yes, now :-)
18:13 markveidemanis klunk...
18:13 markveidemanis thexyz
18:13 thexyz ?
18:13 markveidemanis can i go back to LAN now?
18:13 john_minetest I am afk for one minute and the first thing i read is: "And that's because you're an idiot".
18:13 john_minetest ...
18:13 NekoGloop :DDDDDD
18:14 john_minetest :DDDDDDD
18:14 markveidemanis .......
18:14 VanessaE john_minetest: welcome to #minetest
18:14 VanessaE :)
18:14 john_minetest :)
18:14 NekoGloop well more fitting is
18:14 markveidemanis markveidemanis is connecting from *@gateway/web/freenode/session 255.255.255.255 <==?
18:14 Jordach go fuck yourself.
18:14 markveidemanis OK
18:14 Jordach <sarcasm>
18:14 NekoGloop welcome to the time that NekoGloop is in #minetest ;-DDDDDDDDD
18:14 markveidemanis Always sarcasm...
18:15 markveidemanis welcome to that time i bring my bot
18:16 markveidemanis ...
18:16 markveidemanis loaded yet?
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18:16 markveidemanis Yeop
18:16 markveidemanis what do i do now?
18:16 markveidemanis what can he do?
18:17 markveidemanis !hoke
18:17 markveidemanis !joke
18:17 MarkBot was kicked by thexyz: MarkBot
18:17 Cantide left #minetest
18:17 markveidemanis WTF
18:17 thexyz NICE JOKE, YEAH?
18:17 markveidemanis WTF
18:17 klunk :-)))
18:17 markveidemanis NOW ZEGBOT!
18:17 Minetest-tan was kicked by thexyz: Minetest-tan
18:17 markveidemanis HAHAHAHAH
18:17 NekoGloop whut
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18:18 Jordach #minetest falling apart again
18:18 markveidemanis YES!
18:18 NekoGloop Jordach: That's normal.
18:18 Jordach ikr
18:18 markveidemanis im reporting thexyz to #freenode
18:19 thexyz sure, go on
18:19 VanessaE yeah, because the rest of us will be happy to agree with thexyz on this, mark.
18:19 NekoGloop there's logs to prove that you're just spamming
18:19 * Jordach finally fixed the wood issue im mtfaithful
18:20 markveidemanis aha, logs!
18:20 NekoGloop Oh you posted it?
18:20 Jordach no
18:20 NekoGloop Oh :P
18:24 Jordach NekoGloop, new wood: http://i.imgur.com/zrguN.png
18:25 klunk [19:18] <markveidemanis> im reporting thexyz to #freenode and lost klunk help forever.
18:25 markveidemanis WHAT?
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18:25 klunk what is written
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18:26 klunk wroten, sorry
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18:27 sfan5 !up vanessa.mine.bz
18:27 Minetest-tan sfan5: vanessa.mine.bz seems to be down
18:27 moltenbot Minetest server vanessa.mine.bz:30000 DOWN
18:28 Jordach wrote, klunk
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18:28 klunk aaargg, thanks Jordach !
18:28 marktraceur Oooookay, either moltenbot or Minetest-tan should answer, not both.
18:28 NekoGloop Actually in that case it is "written"
18:28 markveidemanis_ klunk...
18:29 markveidemanis_ i have GParted
18:29 NekoGloop Jordach: Could you take the same screenie, except with smooth lighting on?
18:29 * Jordach engages shaders
18:29 klunk yes you should stop messing, I have too
18:30 NekoGloop well shaders arent necessarry
18:30 marktraceur iqualfragile, sfan5, decide which of you gets to answer !up, I'd rather not have two messages per call.
18:30 NekoGloop I meant literally the smooth lighting option
18:30 * Jordach is uploading images
18:30 NekoGloop iqual's should.
18:30 markveidemanis !up _____
18:30 sfan5 NekoGloop: why?
18:30 Minetest-tan markveidemanis: Invalid Address
18:30 moltenbot Minetest server _____:30000 DOWN
18:30 NekoGloop Either that or Minetest-tan should write the ip.
18:31 Jordach http://imgur.com/a/JDNhY NekoGloop -- a comparison
18:31 NekoGloop Port, not ip
18:31 moltenbot Jordach's link:             Photo Album - Imgur
18:31 markveidemanis lets have a vote!
18:31 NekoGloop It already has an ip, needs the port
18:31 markveidemanis i vote Minetest-tan
18:31 NekoGloop Jordach: That's excellent.
18:31 markveidemanis http://ompldr.org/vZ3pjaw/2013-01-07-182916_1024x600_scrot.png
18:31 markveidemanis klunk...
18:32 Jordach NekoGloop, want the prototype pack right now? it'll be a pm
18:32 NekoGloop On ipad so wouldnt matter :/
18:32 Jordach (a few things are missing from this atm)
18:32 Jordach NekoGloop, noted
18:32 NekoGloop I would like the pack but best to wait for v1.0 ;)
18:33 NekoGloop How much / will you add mod support?
18:34 Jordach NekoGloop, i will do mod support once i get the request
18:34 NekoGloop okie
18:34 Jordach no ifs or buts, i will do so when told
18:35 rubenwardy My debug log printer:
18:35 rubenwardy Try
18:35 rubenwardy Debug.Print(msg)
18:35 rubenwardy TB_debug.ListBox1.Items.Add(msg)
18:35 rubenwardy Catch ex As Exception
18:35 rubenwardy //erm, lets not report that error...
18:35 rubenwardy End Try
18:36 NekoGloop Jordach: Gotcha.
18:36 NekoGloop As a starter, add moreores compatibility from the start. Many people use it.
18:36 Jordach give or take a few days (scaling like this is hard)
18:36 Jordach kay
18:37 klunk markveidemanis: now nothing. Had a look at /sd5, re read what we have said. Be sure running GParted from LIVE stuff (and root)
18:37 NekoGloop Shouldnt be too difficult, just recolor what ya got ;)
18:37 markveidemanis i did su
18:37 markveidemanis and im root
18:37 markveidemanis i have the window up
18:38 markveidemanis amd it shows...
18:38 markveidemanis http://ompldr.org/vZ3pjaw/2013-01-07-182916_1024x600_scrot.png
18:38 Jordach cant you two use pm / query rather than spam this channel with your linux non-sense
18:38 markveidemanis #mtmt
18:38 markveidemanis whoops kicked myself
18:39 markveidemanis from my own channel...
18:39 markveidemanis klunk, join #mtmt
18:39 NekoGloop Jordach: I agree!
18:39 john_minetest Just found out that Zegaton server has got a map now: http://minetest.web1337.net/map.php
18:39 moltenbot john_minetest's link: Zeg9's Minetest Server - Map
18:40 markveidemanis yeh, i dont have enough RAM for that...
18:41 Jordach beautiful
18:41 markveidemanis my mouse sticks to the map!
18:43 markveidemanis who knows about what klunk was talking about
18:43 NekoGloop Oh god, that papyrus looks sweet. But it also doesnt look right.
18:43 markveidemanis join #mtmt
18:43 klunk john_minetest: yes, I discover a lot of builds with it !
18:44 markveidemanis http://opengameart.org/content/pixel-land-10
18:44 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: Pixel land 1.0  | OpenGameArt.org
18:44 markveidemanis klunk!
18:44 klunk yes ?
18:45 markveidemanis go to #mtmt plz
18:45 klunk no
18:46 klunk I'm here to talk about minetest, logiciel libre, and comunity.
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18:49 markveidemanis hi
18:49 analphabet hey!
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18:53 marktraceur klunk: You may be interested in #libreplanet-gaming as well :)
18:53 markveidemanis celeron55
18:53 markveidemanis Someone
18:53 markveidemanis comeon my server: found epc bug
18:54 markveidemanis JOIN minetest.org 30010
18:54 markveidemanis EPIC BUG
18:54 markveidemanis I HAVE BECOME JOINED TO ANOTHER PLAYER
18:55 markveidemanis AND WHEN HE MOVES, I MOVE
18:55 VanessaE markveidemanis: your client and server are out of date, that attachment bug is supposed to be fixed already.
18:55 markveidemanis but its so cool
18:56 markveidemanis how do i record video
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18:56 sapier wait why is this a bug?
18:56 analphabet1 marktraceur: oh, I sure am!
18:57 analphabet1 (I already discovered it's up again!)
18:57 VanessaE sapier: because ti was happening randomly, players attached to torch smoke, signs, carts attached to walking players, mobs attached to (and attacking) players, etc.
18:57 VanessaE it*
18:57 marktraceur analphabet1: Yes, that's the good news. I was actually inviting klunk to the channel :)
18:58 analphabet1 aah
18:58 sapier ohhh so not attaching player to player was fixed but random attaching was fixed?
18:58 VanessaE I'm not entirely sure how much of it was fixed, but I haven't seen it bug out recently.
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18:59 sfan5 .sh http://google.com
18:59 moltenbot sfan5's link: Google
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18:59 sfan5 moltenbot: shut up! i'm trying to test something
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19:01 sfan5 .sh http://google.com
19:01 moltenbot sfan5's link: Google
19:02 sfan5 Y U NO RESPONG MinetestBot
19:02 sfan5 -G +D
19:02 sfan5 .sh is.gd http://minetest.net
19:02 moltenbot sfan5's link: About - Minetest
19:03 rubenwardy (6:39:51 PM) john_minetest: Just found out that Zegaton server has got a map now: http://minetest.web1337.net/map.php
19:03 rubenwardy Redcrabs map: http://www.multa.bugs3.com/minetest/map/map.html (i made)
19:03 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Zeg9's Minetest Server - Map
19:03 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Map
19:03 klunk (thanks marktraceur)
19:04 sfan5 MinetestBot, reload shorten
19:04 MinetestBot sfan5: <module 'shorten' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/shorten.pyc'> (version: 2013-01-07 19:04:06)
19:04 sfan5 .sh is.gd http://minetest.net
19:04 moltenbot sfan5's link: About - Minetest
19:04 sfan5 derp! i have to use !sh
19:04 sfan5 !sh
19:04 MinetestBot sfan5: Give me an url shorten service and an address
19:04 MinetestBot sfan5: Supported Services: is.gd, v.gd
19:05 sfan5 !sh v.gd http://minetest.net
19:05 moltenbot sfan5's link: About - Minetest
19:05 MinetestBot sfan5: http://v.gd/4eZkJV
19:05 moltenbot MinetestBot's link: v.gd - Shortened URL
19:05 thexyz sfan5: please, test this damn bot somewhere else
19:05 sfan5 thexyz: i'm done, it wouldn't produce so much output if moltenbot didn't get the title of each link
19:06 thexyz then kickban him ^^
19:06 sfan5 ..
19:06 sfan5 i'll first try asking nicely
19:06 Minetest-tan sfan5: thats not going to work
19:06 celeron55 who maintains moltenbot? all title bots should have code that makes them not tell the title if the URL already contains half or more of the title's content
19:07 sfan5 celeron55: iqualfragile
19:07 celeron55 that one doesn't really seem to have
19:08 mauvebic theyd have to create a word array from the tittle and check that against the url, if half the array checks true then dont post title
19:09 celeron55 i even implemented that in my eggdrop bot's title script: http://paste.dy.fi/yl0
19:09 moltenbot celeron55's link: pastebin
19:09 celeron55 you can see how screwed up a programming language is from seeing a hilighter getting screwed up from valid syntax
19:10 celeron55 :D
19:10 sfan5 :D
19:10 celeron55 if {[regexp -nocase {<title>(.*?)</title>} $data match title]} { set title [string trim [string map { {href=} "" \" "" \n "" \r ""} $title]]
19:10 celeron55 100% awesome
19:10 sfan5 moltenbot shouldn't post the title of the url if not requested..
19:11 celeron55 tbh, tcl is pretty powerful
19:12 celeron55 but even perl makes more sense
19:13 markveidemanis GTG
19:13 markveidemanis Bye
19:13 mauvebic i thought that looked like perl style regex lol
19:13 Jordach but must end with a closed paren
19:13 iqualfragile celeron55: moltenbot is written in bash
19:13 mauvebic i love how regex has slightly different syntax depending on where youre using it lol
19:14 iqualfragile even network-connectivity uses bashs buildins
19:14 celeron55 iqualfragile: oh god :P
19:14 mauvebic you can code bots in bash? but why? lol
19:14 FreeFull Because
19:14 FreeFull I saw a bot someone wrote in brainfuck
19:14 celeron55 it's like making a web CMS using windows batch scripts
19:14 celeron55 (that has been done too)
19:14 iqualfragile mauvebic, celeron55: actualy its not that bad
19:15 iqualfragile you can just use the network-socket like any other file (read)
19:15 celeron55 iqualfragile: well then code that check
19:15 sfan5 FreeFull: how does it interact with the network? pipes?
19:15 Minetest-tan was kicked by thexyz: Minetest-tan
19:15 iqualfragile and bash is allright with strings
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19:15 celeron55 how do you get a network socket with bash
19:15 iqualfragile sfan5: /dev/protocol
19:16 mauvebic i though bash was only used for minor things like startup stuff and right click actions in the file manager
19:16 mauvebic one of those things i should learn but not really tempted to lo
19:16 iqualfragile /dev/tcp/$server/$port
19:17 iqualfragile mauvebic: well, bash is quite powerfull actualy
19:18 mauvebic like if i wanted to stop xset from turning off the screen, i imagine id do that in bash?
19:18 iqualfragile exec 3<>/dev/tcp/$server/$port
19:18 iqualfragile while read -u3 input
19:18 iqualfragile do
19:18 iqualfragile thats basicly the trick
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19:19 sfan5 i hate regexes
19:19 FreeFull I just discovered, when swiming up, you'll go up faster if you hold sneak
19:19 sfan5 they never work how they should
19:19 sfan5 MinetestBot, quit potatoe
19:19 sfan5 wut?
19:19 Jordach NekoGloop, http://imgur.com/a/9JLJp
19:19 moltenbot Jordach's link:             Photo Album - Imgur
19:20 mauvebic regex works fine its just a matter of knowing the language-specific rules
19:20 mauvebic regex that works in perl or php doesnt seem to work in python
19:20 mauvebic etc. etc.
19:20 rubenwardy stone looks like leopard skin
19:20 NekoGloop Jordach: Maybe make the stone not look like grey MC endstone.
19:20 mauvebic its just a pain to figure out what rules to apply to the language youre using lol
19:20 Jordach rubenwardy, blame gimp again
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19:23 Jordach sfan5, go test yer bot somewhere else
19:24 sfan5 ok
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19:26 rubenwardy MinetestBot, quit
19:26 rubenwardy mw ha ha ha
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19:26 rubenwardy MinetestBot, quit
19:26 VanessaE sfan5: btw your spelling sucks ;)
19:26 rubenwardy MinetestBot, quit potatoe
19:26 rubenwardy yes
19:27 rubenwardy MinetestBot, quit
19:27 rubenwardy MinetestBot, quit potatoe
19:27 rubenwardy nope
19:27 sfan5 it checks against the nickname
19:27 sfan5 MinetestBot, quit potato
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19:27 rubenwardy any irrlicht boffins know how to fix this: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=38512&amp;start=225#p276577
19:27 rubenwardy damn protective measures
19:28 thexyz wut
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19:28 sfan4 MinetestBot, quit potato
19:28 sfan5 it checks against sfan5..
19:29 sfan5 hmm
19:29 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on sfan1's head
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19:29 * VanessaE looks at the kitten generator...  new model?
19:30 NekoGloop no, i just have to clean up the surplus from before you broke the other one
19:30 VanessaE :P
19:30 NekoGloop That one is a prototype that doesnt work :3
19:31 rubenwardy I want to try....
19:31 * rubenwardy puts a kitten on VanezzaG's head
19:31 VanessaE well if you hadn't used all those low-rez compressed-kalite ingots to power it, it wouldn't have gotten full of stray pixels.
19:31 VanessaE :)
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19:31 rubenwardy nope, does not work
19:31 NekoGloop hehe
19:31 * NekoGloop puts pixel-b-gone in the old one
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19:31 NekoGloop There, good as new :D
19:32 VanessaE NekoGloop: once I cleaned those out (almost enough to make a new ingot) and reconnected that Heisenberg compensator cable, it was workign fine.
19:32 VanessaE so if you b0rk3d it again, that's your fault :)
19:32 analphabet Hey! I'm developing a conveyor mod and I'd like to make conveyors fit in with each other seamlessly even if people need to build bends with 'em
19:32 analphabet can anyone help me with that?
19:32 analphabet should I use raillike drawtype?
19:32 rubenwardy I tried doing /nick sfan%35  (35 is ascii for 5) but it did not work :(
19:33 VanessaE lol
19:33 sfan\\5 MinetestBot, quit potato
19:33 NekoGloop stahp
19:33 sfan\\5 nope double escape key does not work either
19:33 PilzAdam at least XChat gives you the same color as sfan5 :-)
19:34 sfan-1 NEGATIVE ONE
19:34 VanessaE ah he finally speaks.
19:34 NekoGloop inb4 "oh shit, i'm outta here"
19:34 VanessaE lol
19:35 STUPIDLY_LONG_NI damn
19:35 NekoGloop STUPID_LONG_NICK
19:35 NekoGloop that looks like a commit number
19:35 thexyz of course it doesn't
19:35 PilzAdam its called commit hash
19:35 thexyz commit "number" is sha1 hash
19:36 a349249sdjuh482g STUPIDLY_LONG_NICKNAME_THAT_YOU_WILL_WASTE_YOUR_TIME_RETYPING_FOOL
19:36 PilzAdam and it has 40 chars
19:36 a349249sdjuh482g of course, there is always copy and paste
19:36 NekoGloop For those of us with copy paste
19:36 analphabet guys?
19:36 NekoGloop analphabet: Use raillike, yes.
19:37 analphabet I saw mesecons use some nodeboy magic though... https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/blob/master/mesecons/wires.lua
19:37 moltenbot analphabet's link: minetest-mod-mesecons/mesecons/wires.lua at master ? Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons ? GitHub
19:37 analphabet (nice bot, btw...)
19:37 NekoGloop but for conveyors raillike is great.
19:38 analphabet okies, thank you!
19:38 NekoGloop Also the bot ignores ipv6, which is a bug made into a feature.
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19:38 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6CHHWw1hU
19:38 NekoGloop like that.
19:39 * Jordach puts on some AC-DC
19:39 Jordach now turn that modern crap off.
19:39 NekoGloop nope.
19:40 VanessaE you know, when I was growing up, we called AC/DC "modern".
19:40 VanessaE I feel old.
19:40 Jordach still better than the new crap they put out
19:40 XScale44 want to see my game: http://mineslow.net/
19:40 mauvebic when i grew up michael jackson was still a black man not a white woman
19:40 VanessaE mauvebic: heh
19:40 * Jordach starts to snigger which then breaks out into laughter
19:41 * XScale44 is a processor from 1990s
19:41 VanessaE Jordach: that much is true (re: better)
19:41 Jordach thunderstruck
19:41 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Update minetest.show_formspec() 1f1c22199b 2013-01-07T11:40:41-08:00 http://git.io/Xgzf2A
19:41 sfan5 did everyone see that fancy link?
19:41 VanessaE what link? (other than pilzadam
19:41 VanessaE 's commit)
19:41 iAPX_44 http://git.io/Xgzf2A
19:42 NekoGloop justin bieber ~= michael jackson
19:42 sfan5 VanessaE: <iAPX_44>  http://git.io/Xgzf2A
19:42 mauvebic justin bieber is a shining beacon to lesbians everywhere
19:43 VanessaE heh, I didn't even pay attention to that having been shortened.
19:43 NekoGloop sfan5: On the other hand, you could make your bot use an ipv6 connection so that moltenbot will ignore it entirely.
19:43 sfan5 no
19:43 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Update minetest.show_formspec() d5cc51a396 2013-01-07T11:42:31-08:00 http://git.io/En-nXQ
19:43 NekoGloop !up minetest.ru
19:43 Minetest-tan NekoGloop: minetest.ru is up (0.104ms)
19:43 iAPX_44 justin bieber ≈ michael jackson
19:43 mauvebic theres a fix for minetest.show_formspec? ill have to tell kaeza and oldcoder
19:43 NekoGloop At least one of them listens to me on my ipad :)
19:44 NekoGloop mauvebic: I dont know who you insulted more.
19:44 mauvebic yesterday they were having trouble with locked chests not showing the formspec
19:44 Notch ha ha ha
19:45 analphabet hey! now my conveyors are all flat!
19:45 mauvebic im allowed to mock justin bieber, he's from my country and it was our gov'ts job to stop him
19:45 NekoGloop analphabet: That's how raillike works
19:45 analphabet mh.
19:46 NekoGloop mauvebic: "justin bieber is a shining beacon to lesbians everywhere" i dont know who you insulted more with this sentence, justin or the lesbians ;)
19:46 rubenwardy I wish he was not from my country
19:46 mauvebic lesbians surely lol
19:46 NekoGloop yup.
19:47 mauvebic whats funny is the kid is obviously gay and the little girls still ain't picking up on it lol
19:47 rubenwardy wait, no he came from a London in america, not england
19:48 mauvebic he'll probably come out when his career is in the gutters lol
19:48 mauvebic like that latin pop singer
19:48 rubenwardy you two go and join #justinbieber where you belong
19:48 mauvebic whats his name
19:48 mauvebic iglesias?
19:48 mauvebic not sure
19:49 NekoGloop I know how to describe justin bieber
19:50 NekoGloop "trap singer"
19:50 mauvebic anyays, music aint what it used to be lol
19:50 NekoGloop You're not that fucking special, look at japan.
19:50 Jordach NekoGloop, theres no word in the world for it
19:50 * Jordach high fives NekoGloop
19:50 NekoGloop boys sing like girls and girls sing like boys ;)
19:52 * NekoGloop pokes Jordach's hand
19:52 Jordach hm
19:53 rubenwardy === Minetest Extentions - 0.6 ReleasePunbb Support Added
19:53 rubenwardy bug fixes
19:53 rubenwardy style changes
19:53 rubenwardy lots more
19:53 rubenwardy Punbb Support Added
19:54 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyJo-65hEx0 there is one male and one female singing. Both are trap singers.
19:54 celeron55 offtopic: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121228/09275521510/danish-court-orders-spanish-site-blocked-because-it-uses-trademarked-english-word-home-as-part-its-name.shtml
19:54 rubenwardy what is you fascination with them, NekoGloop?
19:55 NekoGloop rubenwardy: Hm?
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19:55 rubenwardy celeron55, interesting
19:55 VanessaE cisoun: you have messages waiting in the conifers thread :-)
19:56 NekoGloop Lsystem them suckers!
19:56 cisoun oh yes the conifers
19:56 VanessaE I did :-)
19:56 cisoun I'm doing some fixes
19:56 VanessaE he has code waiting for him to implement :-)
19:56 cisoun uh
19:57 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on VanessaE's shoulder
19:57 cisoun I don't see any new reply about the conifers.
19:57 cisoun (I should find the thread first.)
19:57 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=61296#p61296
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20:00 VanessaE I think the "tops cut off" bug has been fixed, btw.
20:00 cisoun I don't know if confers should use the L-System.
20:00 cisoun They are usually straight.
20:00 VanessaE cisoun: they should.  it's like 1000 times faster than Lua :-)
20:00 cisoun o rly ?
20:00 VanessaE besides, my axiom/rules need tweaked a little.
20:00 cisoun I'm going to test it so.
20:00 VanessaE oh yeah, it's entirely in C++
20:02 mauvebic but are the shapes compatible?
20:02 VanessaE mauvebic: I tried to model these after the overall shape of the existing ones, but I missed one type
20:02 VanessaE (the tall, narrow ones that look sorta like a sine wave)
20:02 mauvebic so you already have the trees :P in that case test both and go with whats fastest/prettiest lol
20:03 VanessaE cisoun: API for the Lsystems generator:  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1076
20:03 OldCoder 20:03:31: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: .../minetest/games/calinou_game/mods/technic/rubber.lua:87: attempt to call method 'spawn_tree' (a nil value)
20:03 OldCoder Is anybody able to comment on this?
20:04 OldCoder cd
20:04 VanessaE OldCoder: you lack the L-systems generator on that server.
20:04 VanessaE or no
20:04 OldCoder ?
20:04 OldCoder Nothing much has changed there
20:04 OldCoder It would be a bug in technic or another mod
20:04 VanessaE actually I'm not sure, but that's the same sort of error I was running into before; I think the spawner can only be called in certain conditions
20:05 mauvebic try mintest.after(1 function() spawn_tree() end)
20:05 mauvebic wait everything should be loaded, when are you running spawntree?
20:06 mauvebic on startup, punch, abm?
20:06 Oblivion1500 its just doing it on approach i guess
20:06 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/Irrlicht-Map-Editor/
20:06 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: rubenwardy/Irrlicht-Map-Editor ? GitHub
20:06 rubenwardy uses .NET because it is so much easier
20:07 Oblivion1500 i was on the server when it happened.. just walking around, i dont have interact so yea and i think its shutting down now when i log in
20:07 OldCoder Hmm
20:07 VanessaE mauvebic: in my/realbadangel's example code, it happens in an on_use clause inside a register_craftitem() call.
20:07 OldCoder Because of his location near the tree?
20:07 mauvebic does spawn_tree return anything or it just crashes?
20:07 OldCoder Reviewing logs further
20:07 rubenwardy bye all
20:07 mauvebic ok so try this:
20:07 VanessaE ciao, rubenwardy
20:07 Oblivion1500 bye
20:08 mauvebic for on_use -> register_craftitem try passing spawn_tree as an argument to the function?
20:08 OldCoder No further information. Is there a suggested patch?
20:08 mauvebic could be a scope problem
20:08 VanessaE OldCoder: better hit RBA with that error when you see him next
20:08 VanessaE mauvebic: it is.
20:08 mauvebic yeah he can fix it lol
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20:09 VanessaE but I can't read the API all that well, so half the time I can't figure out under which scope this or that function can be executed :-/
20:09 mauvebic i can guess lol he fixed item_image[] too that was pretty cool
20:09 mauvebic whats the page/url for that script?
20:11 OldCoder VanessaE, ty
20:15 celeron55 "Multa Map Editor"
20:15 celeron55 wtf is that
20:15 cisoun Where did you see that ?
20:15 celeron55 rubenwardy's link
20:17 celeron55 oh lol, i found the best thing ever
20:17 celeron55 https://github.com/search?q=fuck&amp;p=1&amp;ref=searchbar&amp;type=Code&amp;l=
20:17 moltenbot celeron55's link: Search ? fuck ? GitHub
20:17 * celeron55 browses results
20:19 cisoun lmao
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20:19 antiman hey guys, anyone here for troubleshooting?
20:22 marktraceur antiman: So many people! Ask a question!
20:22 OldCoder Always
20:22 OldCoder Doing it now
20:25 VanessaE cisoun: so anyway, the modifications I made to the initial sapling spawning and sapling->tree growth abms should still work, then you just replace your tree generation code with that tiny little L-system call, add in some randomness to the rules, axiom, etc etc and you're golden.
20:27 antiman i just installed minetest on my notebook, got an old c2d 2.0Ghz, 2 GBs of RAM and an intel onboard graphics processer with mint 13/ubuntu 12.04 running on it, i was runnin the actual stable version of minetest on an external screen @ 1920x1080, on the notebook screen i just had firefox with the minetest wiki running, after about an hour, I had this screen https://www.dropbox.com/s/zv8em528dfe6dp7/screenshot_380368137.png
20:27 antiman and i wasn't able to craft doors
20:27 PilzAdam gtg; bye
20:28 VanessaE antiman: "minimal" --> you need to download minetest_game and put it in your minetest games folder.
20:28 VanessaE (~/.minetest/games, or /usr/local/share/minetest/games, or (minetestfolder)/games on windows)
20:28 VanessaE create a new world using *that* game and not minimal.
20:29 VanessaE as for the black screen, I can't explain it,.
20:29 VanessaE latest mintest_game:  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/archive/master.zip
20:30 VanessaE unzip, rename it to minetest_game, move it to wherever as above.
20:30 antiman thx VanessaE
20:33 VanessaE no prob, hope that helps.
20:34 antiman could you eventually spot the bug when i put up the savegame? when i reload it i've still got the same problem
20:35 mauvebic beer, wine, cement, plasma: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3156633937
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20:35 VanessaE ..and no patch for pipeworks yet :(
20:36 mauvebic its coming lol
20:36 VanessaE I know :-)
20:36 mauvebic but you need liquids with which to do stuff with lol
20:36 mauvebic fountains are nice and such
20:36 mauvebic hehe
20:37 antiman well I'm gonna leave^^ bye
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20:37 mauvebic though the liquids should prolly go into fluidlib mod like plants are seperate from aero
20:37 mauvebic easier to write other mods that depend on ingredients
20:38 mauvebic though there are some aspect that dont line up :
20:38 mauvebic the old storage tanks (1 connection ) are the redundancy tanks
20:38 mauvebic the dual connection tanks are the mixer/storage
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20:39 KikaRz Hi there!
20:39 VanessaE hi KikaRz
20:39 mauvebic i havent made use of expansion tanks (too many more nested statements)
20:39 KikaRz WOW! 7 OPS ONLINE!
20:39 VanessaE mauvebic: expansion tanks need not be approached yet.
20:39 mauvebic well i figure just plug more ordinary tanks on the line
20:39 VanessaE they're kind of a brainstorming idea that happened a while back
20:40 mauvebic same effect, no extra code
20:40 VanessaE right
20:40 VanessaE we'll ditch the expansion tanks.
20:40 KikaRz VanessaE, what you're doing, sweetie?
20:40 VanessaE maybe make a double-size tank or something
20:40 mauvebic what ill do is pull your latest pipeworks and merge that with what i have
20:41 VanessaE ok
20:41 VanessaE KikaRz: not much, just resting
20:41 mauvebic yeah a bigger capacitiy tank could work too
20:41 mauvebic id double the values for flow and duration
20:41 VanessaE mauvebic: after you send your patch I'll add it
20:42 KikaRz VanessaE
20:43 KikaRz C1ff needs interact priv
20:43 VanessaE tell him to ask on the forum thread.
20:44 KikaRz he dont have a forum account
20:49 KikaRz VanessaE
20:49 KikaRz give me a idea for server world loading problems.
20:49 KikaRz (camera update is enabled)
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20:50 jojoa1997 how do i commit this file using github "#new file:   .gitattributes"
20:51 KikaRz VanessaE, i can't see some chunks. world is not loading
20:51 KikaRz RTT: 0.169
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20:53 KikaRz VanessaE ?
20:55 VanessaE sorry, had to deal with something.
20:55 VanessaE KikaRz: restarted.
21:02 KikaRz ok
21:02 KikaRz gtg
21:02 KikaRz bye
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21:03 KikaRz Hi!
21:03 KikaRz I'm back!
21:03 KikaRz :P
21:03 KikaRz VanessaE, I'm expanding my territory :P
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21:04 VanessaE cool
21:07 kaeza joined #minetest
21:07 * Jordach is off to bed
21:07 kaeza back
21:07 VanessaE wb
21:07 mauvebic http://ompldr.org/vZ3pmNg/pipeworks-min_main_sync-010713.zip
21:08 mauvebic i may have accidentally deleted code for pneumatic devices in devices.lua, check to make sure, otherwise everything seems to wor
21:08 mauvebic *work
21:08 VanessaE github + pull request plz :-)
21:10 mauvebic could take longer than Rome lol
21:10 VanessaE pweeze? :-)
21:10 VanessaE *puppy dog eyes*
21:10 mauvebic i tried 2 or 3 times to create an account and upload stuff to git lol its just not that user friendly
21:11 VanessaE pwetty pweeze? :-)
21:11 mauvebic marktraceur likes git, cant he do it? :p
21:11 mauvebic its wtfpl anyhow
21:11 VanessaE (do you realize how hard it is to do a child's pleading voice over IRC? :)  )
21:12 marktraceur VanessaE: Ask for a patch, jeez
21:12 VanessaE already getting a diff against my master tree now.
21:12 mauvebic yeah some of the devices are different
21:13 mauvebic i kept the intake and it works like the pump cuz it looks better inside a tank
21:13 mauvebic expansion tanks will be unkown blocks
21:15 KikaRz lol
21:15 KikaRz VanessaE
21:16 KikaRz if you want, expand the protection field
21:16 VanessaE I'll merge this later after I rest.
21:16 VanessaE mauvebic: thanks for the code :-)
21:16 VanessaE bbl, I need a nap
21:17 KikaRz why i have 2 npcs?one with a mini shorts
21:17 KikaRz and onde fucking her in back?
21:17 KikaRz *one
21:17 KikaRz killed them 2. dropped mese blocks
21:19 mauvebic no prob now i need to do fuildlib lol
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21:23 KikaRz hi Muadtralk
21:23 KikaRz how is your server?
21:23 KikaRz e.e
21:26 Muadtralk good
21:26 Muadtralk havent been on it in over a week
21:27 KikaRz i wanted to go back to it
21:27 KikaRz :P
21:27 kaeza err...what? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62604#p62604
21:27 moltenbot kaeza's link: Mine "Minetest Forum" (Page 1) - Offtopic - Minetest Forums
21:28 KikaRz like...
21:28 KikaRz da fuq?
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21:28 KikaRz they made a forum for a forum already done.
21:28 KikaRz haahhahahahhahah
21:28 kaeza lolol
21:29 kaeza also, seems a Google Translate phail
21:30 KikaRz Commented the thread.
21:31 kaeza +1
21:31 KikaRz people, who thinks that we can make a server list?
21:31 KikaRz We could make one server master and we could make an ingame server list
21:32 kaeza that's been already discussed to death
21:32 kaeza and there's one on the way
21:32 kaeza {{cn}}
21:32 KikaRz YAAY
21:33 marktraceur kaeza: High-five for templates.
21:33 kaeza o/
21:33 KikaRz Never stop... belieeeeving... that gangnam style is fun
21:33 KikaRz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
21:33 moltenbot KikaRz's link: PSY - GANGNAM STYLE (?????) M/V - YouTube
21:34 marktraceur WTF? That came outta nowhere.
21:34 kaeza marktraceur: do you remember who was the one working on the server list?
21:35 kaeza heeeeey sexy lady!
21:35 kaeza srsly guys, this is old now
21:35 KikaRz eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey sexy lady... op op op
21:35 kaeza we gotta find a new viral video already
21:35 kaeza video to make viral*
21:35 KikaRz elevator opens: *everyone does: WOOOOOOW!!!!*
21:36 marktraceur kaeza: I don't remember, actually. I don't think I heard about that.
21:36 KikaRz *screams
21:36 marktraceur kaeza: I know thexyz has his list, but I don't know if it's being implemented in-game
21:36 kaeza hmm
21:36 KikaRz marktraceur
21:36 KikaRz his list dont have one master serevr
21:36 kaeza I believe there was a branch somewhere...
21:37 KikaRz so... we could make a master server that if the server got in the config (by default), appears on the list if the ports are forwaded
21:37 KikaRz
21:37 marktraceur KikaRz: And there will never *be* a master server. That sort of centralization just won't happen here.
21:37 KikaRz ...
21:37 KikaRz so, what will be?
21:37 KikaRz -.-
21:37 kaeza KikaRz: a list of favorite servers maybe?
21:38 kaeza maintained by users
21:38 marktraceur Exactly.
21:38 KikaRz ... We could have all servers on our hand.
21:38 KikaRz but if you want to make equal to Minecraft...
21:38 KikaRz your decision.
21:38 marktraceur KikaRz: Minetest isn't equal to Minecraft, so, no
21:38 KikaRz so, why you want a favorites list?
21:38 KikaRz minecraft does the same.
21:38 kaeza well, that *could* be implemented, but not make that *required*
21:38 marktraceur KikaRz: Because it's useful.
21:39 KikaRz Or...
21:39 KikaRz We could make on the options: Enable Server list |_|
21:39 KikaRz |_| = Check box
21:39 marktraceur Yes, you could
21:39 KikaRz and a button is added to multiplayer
21:39 marktraceur Or make it a menu mod
21:39 KikaRz Like: Display server list
21:39 marktraceur (menu mods: needs to happen)
21:39 kaeza menu mod?
21:39 kaeza oh
21:40 kaeza that would be awesomesauceâ„¢
21:40 marktraceur And how.
21:40 KikaRz :D
21:41 KikaRz I'm so inteligent..
21:41 KikaRz *intelligent
21:41 kaeza ...
21:41 KikaRz But i don't use my head.
21:41 KikaRz e_e'
21:41 marktraceur KikaRz: Thanks for that clarification.
21:41 kaeza lol
21:41 KikaRz clarification abotu?
21:41 kaeza but that would require client-side mods
21:41 KikaRz *about?
21:41 KikaRz yea.
21:42 KikaRz One more mod that we could make: Minimap e_e'
21:42 marktraceur KikaRz: About your intelligence
21:42 marktraceur kaeza: I hope to implement both, I'm just....swamped
21:42 KikaRz marktraceur, and about Brightness in-game ?
21:42 marktraceur kaeza: I need to come up with some schedule for working on stuff
21:42 KikaRz Its WIP?
21:42 marktraceur KikaRz: Why would I know?
21:42 KikaRz You're one IRC OP
21:42 KikaRz e_e'
21:43 marktraceur KikaRz: I'm not involved in anything having to do with brightness
21:43 KikaRz So, who is?
21:43 marktraceur How should I know?
21:43 kaeza search the github branches :P
21:44 kaeza GIYF = Goo...err...Github is your friend :P
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21:45 kaeza why so many parkour maps on the forums?
21:45 kaeza I want more adventure maps
21:45 Muadtralk GCLIYF
21:46 kaeza dafuq
21:46 Muadtralk ahem sorry
21:46 Muadtralk GCLANYF
21:46 KikaRz kaeza
21:46 Muadtralk github commit logs are not your friend
21:46 KikaRz Command block please.
21:46 kaeza KikaRz: ?
21:46 KikaRz To make Adventure maps.
21:47 kaeza KikaRz: maptools
21:47 kaeza :D
21:47 KikaRz whats that ?
21:47 kaeza oh dear...
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21:47 markveidemanis him
21:47 kaeza KikaRz: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1882
21:47 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Mod] Map Tools [maptools] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
21:47 markveidemanis hi
21:47 KikaRz ...
21:49 kaeza Muadtralk: y?
21:52 Muadtralk ever try to look back on the minetest commit logs?
21:52 Muadtralk they are terrible!
21:52 Muadtralk no real order to them
21:53 markveidemanis yep
21:53 Muadtralk I dont understand why github wouldn't index them or something
21:54 Muadtralk I fly into the repo blind and it can take me an hour to find a specific commit
21:54 kaeza also: cr*ppy commit messages sometimes
21:55 markveidemanis shitty
21:55 kaeza lol I just use 'Testing' most of the time
21:55 kaeza git -a -m 'Testing'
21:55 kaeza git commit -a -m 'Testing'
21:56 markveidemanis can someone do me a favor
21:56 markveidemanis go on my server and see whos on
21:57 Zetetic Is there some easy way to make mesecon logic work at longer distances?
21:57 markveidemanis who is on my server?
21:57 Muadtralk active_block_range = 1000000?
21:57 Muadtralk i think
21:58 markveidemanis map limit less tnan that
21:58 markveidemanis lol
21:58 Zetetic Thanks!
21:58 markveidemanis set that to 10  or 100
21:58 Zetetic I just need my daylight switched bridge lights
21:59 markveidemanis or REALLY bad lagg
21:59 markveidemanis k
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21:59 Zetetic The default range is half of my bridge
21:59 markveidemanis could you see whois on minetest.org 30010
21:59 markveidemanis default?
22:00 Muadtralk nope :P
22:00 kaeza any opinions? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4358
22:00 moltenbot kaeza's link: There are way too many servers! (Page 1) - Offtopic - Minetest Forums
22:00 Muadtralk true
22:00 kaeza (note: title is a bit out of context)
22:00 Muadtralk I say we outlaw servers
22:01 kaeza what they say in the topic is a real PvP server
22:02 kaeza not some sissy ones with users yelling "mommy! that kiddo stone a cobble! boo hoo"
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22:02 kaeza srsly, I don't like griefing, but a free for all server would be awesome
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22:05 NekoGloop Helps to actually log in to the irc, not just open the webpage.
22:05 kaeza hi Neko :3
22:05 kaeza why don't you get a *real* IRC client?
22:06 NekoGloop why don't you make one
22:06 Muadtralk cause his computer sucks
22:06 NekoGloop :)
22:06 Muadtralk and he doesnt wanna use space on his hardrive
22:06 kaeza NekoGloop: If you don't like installing, there are some in portable form
22:07 NekoGloop seeing as my harddrive is pretty full I'd still have to go with no ;-)
22:07 kaeza NekoGloop: ever heard of 'delete temporary files' and 'clear browser cache'?
22:08 kaeza :P
22:08 NekoGloop ever heard of 'those get remade instantly' and "double quotes"
22:08 kaeza k nvm
22:09 bnd joined #minetest
22:09 kaeza keep using webchat then :)
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22:09 NekoGloop I would have anyway :-)
22:09 Hi-jera_WingFox hi
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22:14 klunk Please someone could save me time: are ~/mods/default/init.lua strictly identical in v0.4.3 and v0.4.4 ?
22:14 Uberi let me check
22:14 Muadtralk no!
22:14 Uberi nope
22:14 NekoGloop they never are
22:15 klunk Arrrg I messed myself with path :-/
22:15 klunk Thanks
22:15 Muadtralk haha I beat you Uberi I would have said it sooner if i haddent not been looking :P
22:17 Uberi :P
22:17 Uberi I was cross referencing dates in the tags and commit logs
22:17 * klunk return talk with diff ...and paths ...
22:18 Muadtralk I pulled it out of my hat in ten seconds :P
22:18 Muadtralk common knowledge
22:25 thexyz new win32 build: http://minetest.ru/builds/minetest-2013.01.08-8eb717d4d0.zip
22:27 Uberi :O
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22:33 kaeza thexyz can I make a Windows installer based on your build? (again)
22:33 kaeza hmm... I think it should be better to publish the installer script
22:38 mauvebic i see slashdot is still on top of the bleeding obvious lol http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/01/07/181219/c-beats-java-as-number-one-language-according-to-tiobe-index?utm_source=slashdot&amp;utm_medium=twitter
22:40 thexyz kaeza: sure
22:40 thexyz kaeza: and you don't have to ask
22:40 thexyz (next time)
22:45 kaeza thx
22:46 kaeza any comments on this? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=62632#p62632
22:46 moltenbot kaeza's link: There are way too many servers! (Page 1) - Offtopic - Minetest Forums
22:46 kaeza (it's a new post)
22:48 kaeza mauvebic: that's a major phail for slashdot
22:49 marktraceur mauvebic: Bleeding obvious? Java was #1 last year, so....
22:49 kaeza after all, Java is an *interpreted language* while C is a *compiled* language
22:50 kaeza inb4 java rage
22:50 marktraceur Ugh, Obj-C is up to #3
22:50 NekoGloop inb4 EVERYONE FROM #minecraft JOINS AND HATES
22:50 marktraceur Oh wow, what's with the huge jump in VB.NET?
22:50 Uberi :O
22:50 mauvebic i didnt actually look at the article, i get more of a kick out of reading the comments lol
22:52 kaeza marktraceur: I was going to ask the same
22:52 mauvebic damnit, beer's empty and the cat's asleep on me :(
22:53 marktraceur Wow, the long term trends are.....weird
22:53 mauvebic statistics... lol
22:54 kaeza dafuq? Lua beast Assembly O_o
22:54 kaeza beats*
22:54 mauvebic well how many people you know want to learn/do assembly? lol
22:55 kaeza lol right no one does now
22:55 kaeza (sadly)
22:55 mauvebic what irks me is google reinventing new languages
22:55 kaeza what happened to optimization?
22:55 kizeren Google happened.
22:55 kaeza what happened with squeezing every last cycle of the CPU?
22:55 mauvebic pretty soon we'll have two or three pages of acronyms for a CV
22:56 Uberi CPUs got too fast
22:56 Uberi programmer time became more valuable than CPU time
22:56 mauvebic not so much these days
22:56 sapier uberi thats not exactly true
22:56 mauvebic programmer pay got shitty after 2000
22:57 kaeza o hai kizeren
22:57 sapier you still need programmers for real work to do just not for gui building
22:57 mauvebic at least here
22:57 kizeren Hi kaeza
22:57 mauvebic salaries go down and tuition goes up, its ridiculous
22:57 sapier mauvebic i do thing "programmer" and "programmer" get different things
22:58 mauvebic and all these retarded companies that ask for things like knowledge of ruby on rails and they have no fucking clue what it is lol
22:58 sapier the ones using tools to create guis/simple applications ... and the ones designing/creaing those tools
22:58 marktraceur mauvebic: Shitty? I'm pretty happy with my pay, and I'm working in the non-profit sector....
22:59 mauvebic well yeah but take your pay and add the pressure of the private sector for results, suddenly it doesn't pay so good :p :-)
22:59 marktraceur I suppose so.
22:59 mauvebic you dont have to worry about your job as much
22:59 mauvebic at least if the nonprofit goes under, they wont bullshit you about it
23:00 mauvebic not at all like my experience with UPS franchises lol
23:00 Uberi sapier: exactly, programmers are more expensive than computers :P
23:02 sapier they aren't if you're creating embedded devices in huge numbers with quite strict quality requirements ;-)
23:02 mauvebic ideally just dont do business with people who remortgage their house for a franchise lol
23:03 mauvebic UPS, their computers and shipping software all still run on windows 95 lol
23:04 sapier critical limits are timing and power consumption ;-)
23:05 Uberi well sure, but consider the unit cost
23:05 mauvebic what was fun about the 90's was people willing to pay 5K for a basic HTML website ;p;
23:05 mauvebic *lol
23:05 Uberi the bubble exploded :(
23:05 sapier html ain't a programmers task :-) no offense
23:05 mauvebic bubble = everyone and their grandmother thought they could get rich through the internet lol
23:06 mauvebic not even but it paid well enough then lol
23:06 sapier it' designers work
23:06 mauvebic well regardless of the politics *now* back then the ads asked for "HTML programmers" lol
23:06 sapier of course thats whar a bubble is defined :-)
23:07 mauvebic bubbles... what are bubbles now when money is bullshit money (not backed by anything solid)
23:07 sapier so we're living in a bubble world :-)
23:07 mauvebic until they wipe out savings and retirements yeah we'll have one bubble after another
23:08 mauvebic too much money chasing higher returns
23:08 mauvebic taxes are too low so no one reinvests to avoid them
23:08 mauvebic they need to make "sitting on money" more expensive than spending it lol
23:08 mauvebic it doesnt take keynes or friedman to figure that out lol
23:09 sapier true :-) but it's the easy way most likely giving politicians time until next election has passed
23:09 kaeza Is there any function in MT to kick a player from the game without permanently banning him?
23:10 NekoGloop heh
23:10 NekoGloop i could be evil and write a command that crashes a certain player
23:10 NekoGloop :)
23:10 kaeza nope
23:10 sapier what you want is inflation ... something germans had very very bad memorys too ... as it made poor even more poor and rich ppl even more rich
23:10 kaeza a bad command crashes the server lol
23:11 kaeza so *all* players get kicked
23:11 mauvebic politicians lol its all about clientelism now
23:11 mauvebic where i live
23:11 sapier sounds like germany
23:11 mauvebic politicians give gov't contracts to buddies who charge inflated rates for infrastructure and funnel part of that money back to the political party in contributions
23:12 kaeza maybe I should go with banning the player for let's say 5 seconds
23:12 kaeza (it's practically a kick)
23:12 mauvebic in essence were getting ripped off on infrastructure and paying for the ruling party's next campaign
23:14 mauvebic and where i live, liberals and conservatives are pretty much the same lol
23:14 mauvebic apart for superficial issues no one really believes in
23:15 marktraceur mauvebic: Sounds like Futurama politics
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23:16 sapier no i think it's germany
23:16 mauvebic quebec politics are a real joke yeah lol its basically been english vs french for 40 years now
23:16 Muadtralk i thought that was a myth about politics in quebec
23:17 sapier wooh same thousands of kilometres away :-)
23:17 mauvebic myth? lol
23:17 mauvebic some nutjob tried to assasinate our premier on her election night
23:17 mauvebic when the cops dragged him away he was screaming "the english are waking"
23:17 mauvebic *up
23:18 mauvebic so those issues are far from over lol
23:18 mauvebic if anything im thinking of going either west or north
23:18 NekoGloop nah, go east
23:18 mauvebic atlantic ocean?
23:18 NekoGloop yup :-)
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23:18 Muadtralk1 and everyone is nice and friendly
23:19 Muadtralk you know just like in canada the streets are made of gold
23:19 mauvebic problem with ontario and quebec is there are no jobs and too many retirees
23:19 sapier friendly maybe ... but politics ain't really better here ;-)
23:19 mauvebic pretty soon ill be working for 0 services paying more taxes for them
23:19 mauvebic which isn't fair because they had a full ride when they were my age
23:20 mauvebic they didn't have to go through half a dozen grueling assesments/interviews to get unemployment benefits either lol
23:20 Muadtralk1 ever notice they pick the worst pictures of murderers on the news?
23:21 Muadtralk1 i mean cant they pick one where they look nice and not like they came from a insane asylum?
23:21 mauvebic thats not how media works lol
23:22 Muadtralk1 true
23:22 mauvebic if they want you to hate someone
23:22 mauvebic theyll find the most perv-looking picture of you thats available lol
23:22 mauvebic if youve ever seen 60's PSA's lol
23:22 Muadtralk1 its sad though
23:23 mauvebic well i have no pity for them
23:23 Muadtralk1 should I murder someone i will demand they use a picture of me holding a kitten
23:23 Muadtralk1 :P
23:24 OldCoder NekoGloop:
23:24 OldCoder ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError:
23:24 OldCoder LuaError: error: .../minetest/games/calinou_game/mods
23:24 OldCoder You're good at this
23:25 OldCoder Any thoughts?
23:25 NekoGloop yeah
23:25 OldCoder OOps!
23:25 OldCoder Excuse me
23:25 OldCoder I left out a line
23:25 NekoGloop you have an error in calinou's game ;)
23:25 OldCoder /technic/rubber.lua:87: attempt to call method 'spawn_tree' (a nil value)
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23:25 OldCoder Didn't he do something with rubber a while back?
23:25 NekoGloop yes
23:25 OldCoder Do you recall anything about it?
23:26 NekoGloop get an L-system compatible core
23:26 OldCoder Go on
23:26 OldCoder How do I do that?
23:26 sapier latest git
23:26 OldCoder Is that from the past couple of weeks?
23:26 OldCoder Then I will need to merge upstream
23:26 OldCoder Thanks
23:26 OldCoder I'll let you know if I have a problem proceeding
23:29 OldCoder So far so good. Automatic merge failed; fix conflicts and then commit the result. What's the command again to start the reconcile?
23:29 OldCoder I did it a few weeks ago but I've forgotten
23:30 OldCoder VanessaE, NekoGloop, sapier ^ ?
23:30 NekoGloop I dont know aaaanything about that ;)
23:31 sapier sorry i don't know
23:31 OldCoder K ty
23:31 OldCoder I think I remember
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23:33 NekoGloop time to work on tools_module :D
23:34 NekoGloop i soooo wish github didnt remove the downloads page
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23:34 NekoGloop it would have helped with cataloging stable from dev .zips
23:35 OldCoder Hmm. I need to learn merges.
23:40 NekoGloop is there any reason the "dark" part of the shading on the shovel is the opposite of the rest of the tools?
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23:44 OldCoder <<<<<<< HEAD
23:44 OldCoder make_tree(vmanip, p, myrand_range(1,8), ndef);
23:44 OldCoder =======
23:44 OldCoder treegen::make_tree(vmanip, p, false, ndef);
23:44 OldCoder >>>>>>> upstream/master
23:44 OldCoder Anybody able to comment on that?
23:44 OldCoder Shouldn't I just take the second one?
23:44 marktraceur OldCoder: That's some C++ code
23:44 OldCoder I know :-)
23:44 OldCoder It is a git merge conflict
23:45 OldCoder I gather I am the only git merger here ATM
23:45 sapier remove << == and >> and one of the lines in between
23:45 OldCoder sapier, I know :-)
23:45 marktraceur OldCoder: There are two differences, make sure you don't need either
23:45 OldCoder Explain that last part
23:45 sapier hmm ... have been talking to much to jojoa
23:45 * OldCoder shrugs
23:45 OldCoder Well I'll poke at this
23:46 marktraceur OldCoder: Presumably you expect make_tree to be in treegen now, but do you also want the myrand_range(1, 8) bit? Because that isn't in the second option.
23:46 OldCoder Yep
23:46 OldCoder ty
23:46 OldCoder poking
23:47 NekoGloop VanessaE: http://ompldr.org/vZ3pncQ hammer :D
23:50 NekoGloop http://ompldr.org/vZ3pncw and a handsaw
23:50 NekoGloop :D
23:51 OldCoder Well, I merged
23:51 OldCoder But git push and git push origin master
23:51 OldCoder Both say
23:51 OldCoder error: The requested URL returned error: 403 Forbidden while accessing https://github.com/minebest/minetest.git/info/refs
23:51 OldCoder Hmm
23:52 OldCoder Frustrating
23:53 OldCoder VanessaE, any suggestion on how to push this?
23:54 OldCoder Wait...
23:55 marktraceur OldCoder: git remote -v
23:55 OldCoder git push worked
23:55 marktraceur Oh.
23:55 OldCoder git push origin master did not
23:55 OldCoder Hmm
23:55 OldCoder Not what the tutorial said
23:55 OldCoder origin  https://github.com/minebest/minetest.git (fetch)
23:55 OldCoder origin  https://github.com/minebest/minetest.git (push)
23:55 OldCoder upstream        https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git (fetch)
23:55 OldCoder upstream        https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git (push)
23:55 OldCoder xyz     git://github.com/minetest/minetest.git (fetch)
23:55 OldCoder xyz     git://github.com/minetest/minetest.git (push)
23:55 moltenbot OldCoder's link: minebest/minetest ? GitHub
23:55 moltenbot OldCoder's link: celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
23:55 OldCoder marktraceur, ^
23:56 marktraceur OldCoder: Seems sane to me
23:56 OldCoder So I did not need git push origin master?
23:56 OldCoder Just git push?
23:56 marktraceur OldCoder: Evidently
23:56 OldCoder ty
23:56 OldCoder We'll see if this builds
23:57 marktraceur "Things to do before you push your code" for 100, Alex

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