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00:00 kaeza +1 though
00:00 ruskie iqualfragile, if I get a highlight I read it
00:01 ruskie anyway it's 01:00 and I've been trying to get to sleep for the last 2 hours
00:01 ruskie back to trying to
00:01 iqualfragile :D sleep well
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00:10 VanessaE sapier1: formspec for mobs would work for entities (minecarts) too, wouldn't it?
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00:15 mauvebic water has to be under pump only?
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00:16 sapier1 @vanessaE yes
00:16 VanessaE mauvebic: I think it can be under or next to it
00:17 VanessaE sapier1: nice.
00:17 VanessaE we're gonna need that for carts to actually become useful besides a way for the player to follow a predefined path
00:18 thexyz sapier1: better ask for review in -dev
00:19 sapier1 @thexyz ok
00:25 TB|Vibe-X so i iwll go sleep. have a nice night ;)
00:25 VanessaE night
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00:42 mauvebic im not crazy about the new full water level: placing a pump above it makes it look hovering
00:42 VanessaE yeah, me neither
00:42 VanessaE the same thing happens to waterlilies, seaweed, anything else that's raillike or signlike
00:42 mauvebic engine or lua change?
00:43 VanessaE engine change - shaders.
00:43 VanessaE I suppose I could extend the bottom of the node by exploiting the visual_scale= parameter..
00:43 mauvebic so theres no way to set water level to 100% of the node?
00:43 VanessaE yeah, turn shaders off.
00:44 mauvebic anything that can be fixed?
00:44 VanessaE I'm not sure how, but yeah it's fixable in the shader files used in the game
00:45 PilzAdam c55 said it should be done in c++ and not in shaders
00:45 Exio grrr, is anyone having 'over swap usage' of minetest when joining a server with a lot of mods?
00:46 Exio | ram: 117/877 | swp: 1467/580 |
00:47 Doc22_ i think (someone correct me if im wrong) that it means that your hard drive's swap partition is too small
00:47 Exio mt runs smooth, 55~ FPS, but that is annoying :P
00:47 Exio Doc22_: 2 GB aren't enough? wut
00:47 Doc22_ a lot of mods can easily take up that much
00:47 Doc22_ but im not sure
00:47 Doc22_ thats all I can think of
00:47 VanessaE well that sucks...visual_scale is ignored when using nodeboxes :(
00:48 Exio Doc22_: for me it is weird because mt runs smooth ...  i dont have any lagspike or whatever
00:48 Doc22_ nonono
00:48 Doc22_ swap wont affect fps
00:48 Doc22_ swap is what is used for copying /moving files
00:49 Exio ?
00:49 Doc22_ in this case, installing them
00:49 Exio uh?
00:49 Doc22_ (the mods)
00:49 Doc22_ and it cant hold it all at once
00:49 Doc22_ its part of the hard drive partition
00:50 Exio Doc22_: i think you don't get my point
00:50 VanessaE Doc22_: um, no.  that's not what swap is normally used for.  it is used for programs that need to allocate memory but can't if the physical RAM is already entirely spoken for (or nearly so).  When that happens, the OS maps some swap space on disk into memory and uses that to operate from.  In theory, only old, seldom-used code gets pushed out to swap first, so that physical RAM can still be used for programs that are actually ru
00:50 VanessaE nning.
00:50 Exio heeey VanessaE
00:50 Doc22_ hmm
00:50 Doc22_ well im not an expert
00:51 Doc22_ thats why I added (correct me if im wrong)
00:51 Exio i started writing something like that
00:51 Doc22_ just throwing stuff out there lol
00:51 Exio :(
00:51 VanessaE if you have 1024 MB of RAM and you ned to allocate say 1500 MB of RAM for whatever programs are running, about 500 MB has to be pushed off to disk, so the OS will start by moving data out of memory that hasn't been used in a while.
00:51 VanessaE need*
00:53 VanessaE (assuming that there are no >1024MB chunks that MUST be locked into RAM)
00:54 VanessaE and yes, operating out of swap most definitely WILL kill your FPS if there's enough swap activity, especially if some of Minetest's code has to operate from there.
00:54 Exio or at least it will cause some 'lagspike' when loading the stuff
00:55 VanessaE Exio: that depends on how much has to be recalled into physical memory at any one time.
00:56 VanessaE if you're talking about thousands of little 1MB lumps of data filling up your swap, you'll probably see it as erratic, low FPS.  If it's big chunks (say over 10MB), it'll look more like lag.
00:57 Exio ah, yeah :P
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00:58 Exio :D i found my first legit mese
00:58 VanessaE cool
00:59 Exio i found a lot of mese when playing in creative, but never in 'survival' :P
00:59 jojoa1997 VanessaE: hamgover over?
00:59 jojoa1997 *hangover
00:59 VanessaE heh
00:59 VanessaE I'm not hungover at all actually.
00:59 VanessaE but I was sure drunk last night :D
01:01 Doc22_ lol
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01:04 Kacey back
01:04 Doc22_ hi
01:05 Kacey ooh hai
01:05 Doc22_ VanessaE do you know about shaders?
01:05 VanessaE no
01:05 Doc22_ ok
01:05 VanessaE I only know they exist, that's uit]
01:06 Doc22_ who would I ask
01:06 VanessaE it*
01:06 Doc22_ lol
01:06 VanessaE I don't know how they work, not sure who to ask either
01:06 VanessaE maybe Taoki
01:06 Doc22_ ok
01:07 Doc22_ Taoki[laptop]|aw where would be a good place for me to learn about shaders for GLSL
01:07 Kacey this thing makes fowarding ports hard
01:07 Doc22_ what thing
01:07 Kacey fraking ie
01:07 Doc22_ lol
01:07 Doc22_ get firefox
01:07 VanessaE so use firefox or chrome :-)
01:08 Kacey again not my computer
01:08 VanessaE so go use yours then
01:08 Doc22_ i bet hes not at his
01:08 VanessaE obviously
01:08 Kacey mine is cooling off
01:08 Kacey still
01:08 Kacey it was overheating bad
01:09 VanessaE time to buy a new cooler then
01:09 Kacey it cant fit anything new it is too small
01:09 VanessaE you haven't looked hard enough - if it's a PC, someone somewhere has an appropirate cooler for it
01:10 VanessaE appropriate*
01:10 Kacey look up the asus aspire one
01:10 Kacey that thing is tiny
01:10 VanessaE oh, netbook.
01:10 Kacey it can hide in a dictionary it is so small
01:11 VanessaE that notebook is under recall for overheating problems.
01:11 VanessaE you need to contact Acer immediately.
01:11 VanessaE er, nevermind
01:11 Kacey mine never overheated until today
01:11 VanessaE that's for some microphone cable thing
01:12 Kacey i left it on for 5 days in a row
01:12 Kacey it started melting the tv tray it was on
01:12 VanessaE shit
01:12 Kacey but it is still hot
01:13 VanessaE have you opened it up and checked for dust/hair clogging the vents/cooler?
01:13 Kacey 5 days of nonstop running... hmm i wonder why it overheated
01:13 VanessaE that doesn't mean anything.
01:14 VanessaE computers are supposed to be able to run for months to years at a time, even a laptop should be able to handle a few weeks' worth of operation.
01:14 Exio asus?
01:14 Exio aspire one?
01:14 Kacey it is soo small that it kinda heats up fast
01:14 Kacey acer is what i meant
01:14 Exio i have an ACER aspire one
01:14 Exio i'm playing in it
01:14 Kacey mine ran windows xp
01:14 Kacey then i went to xubuntu
01:15 Exio try with some real distro
01:15 kaeza|jEdit wine can now run operating systems? wow
01:15 Exio lol?
01:15 kaeza|jEdit <Kacey> mine ran windows xp
01:15 kaeza|jEdit lol
01:15 VanessaE Kacey: comprehension FAIL :)
01:16 Exio or font fail
01:16 VanessaE kaeza|jEdit: ^^
01:16 Exio m != w :P
01:16 kaeza|jEdit ..
01:16 kaeza|jEdit lol
01:16 kaeza|jEdit fcking fractional font metrics
01:16 Kacey my acer ran xp is what i meant
01:17 kaeza|jEdit the m seems like a w lol
01:17 kaeza|jEdit nvm
01:17 Kacey i need a new video card for it, but nothing new will fit lol
01:17 * kaeza|jEdit goes back to designing a new poprocn machine mod
01:18 kaeza|jEdit popcorn*
01:19 VanessaE Kacey: anyway, either return the netbook for servicing while the warranty is still in effect, or open it up and clean out the dust.  that's probably why it's overheating.  Get some Arctic Silver heat sink compound and clean off and replace that which is on your CPU cooler.
01:19 VanessaE (open it and your warranty will be no good, of course)
01:20 Kacey i got it from a pawn shop but it ran just fine
01:20 VanessaE well obviously there's no warranty now.
01:20 VanessaE crack it open and clean it up.
01:20 VanessaE computers are like that - they work great for a while, then suddenly something stops working right.
01:20 Kacey i need a battery for it
01:20 * Kacey is tired of having to keep it plugged in all the time
01:21 VanessaE what's the model number?
01:21 Kacey uuuum idk let me check
01:21 Kacey on the battery or computer?
01:21 VanessaE the computer
01:23 Kacey KAV60
01:23 Kacey is what it says
01:24 VanessaE looks like about $26 from feebay
01:25 VanessaE actually make that about $16.56
01:25 VanessaE http://www.ebay.com/itm/Notebook-Battery-for-Acer-Aspire-One-10-1INCH-8-9INCH-9-A0A110-D250-KAV10-KAV60-/350602715824?pt=Laptop_Batteries&amp;hash=item51a18ce2b0
01:25 Kacey $189.99 from the pawn shop for everything
01:25 VanessaE free shipping out of NJ
01:26 Kacey i need one here in colorado preferably in pueblo
01:26 RealBadAngel to mars too? ;)
01:26 VanessaE RealBadAngel: possibly, if you don't mind waiting about 5 years to get it ;)
01:26 VanessaE Kacey: um...just order it?
01:26 VanessaE (or have parents do it)
01:27 Kacey we dont order onlineanymore
01:27 VanessaE why?
01:28 Kacey we ordered something and never got it  for a couple years and when we got it, it was broken in every spot possible
01:28 VanessaE for a couple of years??
01:28 Kacey ya
01:28 VanessaE that's a ridiculous time to wait
01:28 VanessaE try again.
01:28 Kacey uuum no
01:29 VanessaE one bad experience should not dissuade you from buying online from reputable merchants.
01:29 FreeFull One of the other players doesn't seem to move from the point of view of my client
01:29 VanessaE FreeFull:  he's probably using 0.4.3
01:31 jojoa1997 im back
01:31 FreeFull VanessaE: Nope, 0.4.4
01:31 FreeFull Seems to be related to extreme lag I'm getting, but other players move around fine
01:31 FreeFull Restarting minetest doesn't help
01:31 PilzAdam FreeFull, is the player attached to a boat or cart?
01:31 Kacey afk going to fix other computer
01:34 FreeFull PilzAdam: No
01:34 FreeFull I think it's just the lag
01:38 Exio do you have mobs in the server?
01:39 sdzen|burnt Or L system trees
01:39 sdzen|burnt or whatever they are called
01:39 kaeza anyone likes this? It was done for a friend, but it could be useful for others as well: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-teather_decor.png
01:40 VanessaE mmm popcorn
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01:40 kaeza :P
01:40 Kacey oops dont close the computer lol
01:40 sdzen Kacey thats why you only order online from trusted distributors
01:41 sdzen my rule is if it has more good reviews then bad it tends to be trustable
01:41 Kacey im looking up what video card i need for my computer
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01:41 kaeza VanessaE: here's the DL if you like it: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mods/Kaeza-teather_decor.zip
01:42 kaeza no craft recipe yet
01:42 LAD VanessaE???
01:42 PilzAdam kaeza, idea for crafting: corn from farming mod + a cd for "pop" ;-)
01:42 LAD hmmm
01:43 kaeza lol
01:43 LAD i've put my mod on the forums but would like to ask help to make a crafting resipe for it
01:43 kaeza hmm
01:43 VanessaE hi LAD.
01:43 kaeza glass+corn
01:43 VanessaE what mod?
01:43 LAD my new one
01:43 LAD http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4294
01:43 moltenbot LAD's link: [MOD]ruby_pick[ruby] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
01:43 LAD just made it
01:43 LAD yea that's it
01:43 sdzen rice krispies plus corn
01:44 sdzen snap crackle pop
01:44 LAD just wounder if i would get help with resipe codeing?
01:44 Kacey make a pot and then put corn in it lol
01:44 VanessaE LAD: well you need to start by finding a way to get rubies in the first place - it seems a little silly to make a ruby pick without them :-)
01:44 sdzen get some pot from the weed mod
01:44 sdzen put some corn in that
01:44 Kacey lol no
01:45 LAD yup
01:45 sdzen why not?
01:45 LAD im working on the code for the block
01:45 Kacey because that would basically be has
01:45 VanessaE LAD: that said, maptools Admin Pick does the same thing...
01:45 Kacey hash*
01:45 LAD and stugling on how to make them drop ruby fragments
01:46 LAD yea i know
01:46 LAD but look better :P
01:49 PilzAdam sapier1, you know that you can edit an existing pull request and dont have to close it?
01:49 Kacey i had an idea
01:49 sapier1 no I don't is this possible after rebasing too?
01:50 PilzAdam sure, you just push to the same branch the pull request was made
01:50 PilzAdam (maybe you have to force update)
01:50 PilzAdam but the pull request automatically updates when you push to the branch
01:51 sapier1 I see :-) great
01:52 sapier1 seems to work without inventory reference ... probably guiFormSpecMenu needs some cleanup :-) ... I still haven't succeeded in adding detached inventory callbacks from lua :-(
01:52 sapier1 don't know whats wrong if it's doing wrong with detached inventorys from lua or a bug in my changes
01:52 Exio does armor protect you from 'lava' damage?
01:53 Exio or fall damage?
01:54 PilzAdam sapier1, monologues about engine dev should be done in -dev
01:55 sapier1 I was hoping to find someone using detached inventories ;-)
01:56 FreeFull Exio: sdzen:  Seems it might have been the morewater mod
01:58 Kacey 2-bit decoder to 4-bit decoder :)
01:59 Exio FreeFull: good to know :P
02:03 Kacey 2-bit done...
02:06 kaeza Kacey: SCREENIES??
02:06 kaeza you're driving me nuts
02:06 kaeza :P
02:06 Kacey not yet i am going to do something very awesome
02:07 Kacey im going to inout the 2 bit decoder into a 4 bit decoder
02:07 VanessaE you mean a 2-to-4 decoder, not 2-bit-to-4-bit ?
02:08 Kacey no
02:08 Kacey i am making a 2-bit decoder
02:08 VanessaE (as in two bits in = 4 select lines out)
02:08 VanessaE http://www.play-hookey.com/digital/combinational/images/demux000.gif
02:08 VanessaE as in this?
02:08 Kacey that inputs its output into a 4-bit decoder
02:08 Kacey 0 will not be an output but ooh well
02:08 VanessaE 2 bits of input can only give you 2 bits of output, or 4 select lines, or some blend thereof.
02:09 Kacey here i will show you when i am done
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02:13 Kacey crap it wont work
02:14 Kacey :(
02:15 VanessaE screenshot of your circuit?
02:15 Kacey idk what im going to do now :(
02:16 Kacey ok hang on
02:17 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vZ3dybw/screenshot_219…
02:17 Kacey why must it not work?
02:17 kaeza Kacey: black screen?
02:18 Kacey black scren?
02:18 Kacey crap let me try again
02:19 Kacey hmm cant take screens apparently
02:21 Kacey VanessaE: you were right
02:22 VanessaE of course I am.
02:22 VanessaE actual wire-and-chips electronics is a hobby of mine :-)
02:23 Kacey well i am off to make this 2-bit decoder into a seven segment display
02:24 VanessaE have fun
02:24 Kacey never
02:25 Kacey aha i have an idea for this
02:25 Kacey 4 more microcontrollers needed for it and an extra lever but who cares?
02:27 Kacey hah its gonna work :-d
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02:28 PilzAdam going to sleep now; bye
02:28 Kacey bye
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02:30 Exio wtf, tin duplicated itself when smelting it
02:30 Kacey tehe free tin lol
02:32 Kacey oops made it a little commplicated
02:33 Kacey ooh well
02:36 * Kacey wants to learn how to make a ripple counter
02:39 Kacey is there such thing as a 1-bit decoder?
02:39 sapier1 1-bit?
02:39 sapier1 bool?
02:40 Kacey idk
02:40 kaeza hmm, who is this guy? http://minetest.net/forum/search.php?action=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=3933
02:40 moltenbot kaeza's link: Posts by tao of badass1 (Page 1) - Minetest Forums
02:40 kaeza he just keeps saying "thank you" everywhere
02:40 kaeza for no reason at all
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02:40 Exio thanks you
02:41 hmmmm he's very thankful
02:41 Exio nah, no idea really
02:41 sapier1 saying thank you is never bad ;-)
02:41 hmmmm well in this case it is
02:41 hmmmm some forum spam bots have this thing where they'd post some innoccous posts first and wait a little while after registering
02:42 sapier1 i thought same thing
02:42 hmmmm i've actually seen this thing before
02:42 hmmmm 95% sure this guy is a spambot, but i'd wait before i ban him if i were you
02:43 VanessaE seems legit :)
02:44 kaeza his second post may be considered legit
02:44 kaeza but the others are just nonsense
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02:47 kaeza aaaaaand another innocuous post
02:48 mrtux Is it possible to make a world in minetest without using a GUI?
02:48 iqualfragile1 aaand ban
02:48 iqualfragile1 mrtux: shure
02:48 mrtux okay
02:48 iqualfragile1 just use bin/minetestserver
02:49 mrtux ah okay
02:49 mrtux thanks
02:49 * mrtux hasn't played minetest in a while
02:49 VanessaE seems to me you only need to run the server and give the world a new seed in the appropriate file
02:55 mrtux yeah
02:55 mrtux I'm starting to play minetest more often now
02:55 mrtux it's running a bit better on my POS computer
03:02 Kacey cornernote's stuff is still up
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03:19 mrtux Is it possible to make an airplane mod for minetest?
03:20 VanessaE sure, there's already the UFO mod
03:20 kaeza mrtux: yes
03:20 kaeza ninja'd
03:21 VanessaE ninja'd again :D
03:21 kaeza :)
03:21 mrtux ah ok
03:21 mrtux lul
03:21 mrtux I could mod it a bit
03:21 mrtux nodeboxes
03:21 mrtux etc
03:21 VanessaE models.
03:21 mrtux Good idea!
03:21 VanessaE we use 3d models now for stuff like that :-)
03:22 mrtux Are there any free software programs i can use to make nodeboxes/3d models for minetest?
03:22 VanessaE blender I suppose
03:22 mrtux ah
03:22 mrtux I'm sure you can do it in AutoCAD
03:22 mrtux but
03:22 VanessaE you need to be able to export to .x format
03:22 mrtux It's not free
03:22 mrtux ah
03:23 mrtux kaeza: your computer mod is going on my server :P
03:23 sapier1 you can do it in blender too ;-)
03:23 kaeza mrtux: +1
03:23 mrtux ah okay
03:23 sapier1 oops already mentioned by vanessae sorry
03:23 VanessaE heh
03:23 * mrtux will install blender and hope if his computer can take it
03:24 VanessaE sapier1: so, how long until you start importing OpenArena models for your MOBF modpack? :-)
03:24 RealBadAngel lol, using AutoCAD to design nodeboxes would be like tryin to kill a fly with a nuke ;)
03:24 sapier1 hmmm ... good idea :)
03:24 kaeza mrtux: blender is too slow for work (or too bloated), try this: http://anim8or.com/main/index.html
03:24 moltenbot kaeza's link: Anim8or, free 3d animation software
03:25 mrtux okay
03:25 mrtux thanks
03:25 kaeza you'll still need blender to export it to .x though
03:25 mrtux Is there source code?
03:25 mrtux I'm not going to use it if I can't have the source :P
03:26 kaeza Anim8or is not open source
03:26 kaeza it's freeware
03:26 * mrtux will not use
03:27 mrtux I'm choosing free and open source software mainly because I'm switching to GNU/Linux sometime soon
03:27 kaeza blender then :)
03:28 mrtux yeah
03:34 kaeza LOL: http://cheezburger.com/6934251008
03:34 moltenbot kaeza's link: GTFO 2012 - Cheezburger
03:35 mauvebic im guessing you fixed the spigot textures? :P
03:36 VanessaE fixed?
03:36 VanessaE I didn't know they were b0rk3d :-)
03:36 * Kacey eats a cookie nom nom nom
03:36 VanessaE I fixed the models ages ago
03:36 * VanessaE seels Kacey's cookies
03:36 VanessaE steals even.
03:37 Kacey O.o no.
03:37 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/2705393629
03:37 VanessaE mine. *nom*
03:37 * Kacey begins biting VanessaE
03:37 mauvebic whats the texture order?
03:37 VanessaE mauvebic: well shit - I forgot about that
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03:37 mauvebic no biggie i can fix from here
03:37 VanessaE +Y -Y -X +X -Z +Z I think
03:38 VanessaE oops, other way 'round
03:38 VanessaE +Y, -Y, +X, -X, +Z, -Z
03:38 * Kacey is still biting VanessaE
03:38 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1416
03:38 mauvebic its spigot_sides,pipe_end,spigot_sides,pipe_end,spigot_sides,sigpot_sized
03:38 * VanessaE shoves kacey aside
03:39 VanessaE yeah that's why
03:39 VanessaE I forgot to turn them around when I changed the default orientation of the spigot
03:39 * Kacey stares at VanessaE for a little
03:39 Kacey O.o
03:39 mauvebic theres should only be 1 pipe_end?
03:39 kaeza VanessaE used Supersonic. Kacey bites himself in the confusion
03:39 * Kacey walks off
03:39 VanessaE mauvebic: one sec
03:39 Kacey i need more cookies
03:39 VanessaE now you force me to look at my sources :-)
03:40 VanessaE yep I did that wrong
03:40 VanessaE lemme fix it and push a quick update
03:41 mauvebic i did:
03:41 VanessaE tiles = {
03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png",
03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_pipe_end_empty.png",
03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png",
03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png",
03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_pipe_end_empty.png",
03:41 VanessaE "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png"
03:41 VanessaE },
03:41 mauvebic "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png",
03:41 mauvebic "pipeworks_pipe_end_empty.png",
03:41 mauvebic "pipeworks_spigot_sides.png",
03:41 VanessaE that's the correct order.
03:42 kaeza|jEdit FLOOOOOOOOOD
03:42 VanessaE lol
03:42 kaeza|jEdit :P
03:42 sapier1 get into emergency rescue boats immedeatly
03:42 mauvebic well the last pipe_end is for the side connecting to another pipe?
03:42 kaeza|jEdit not in PilzAdam's, these boats are buggy as hell :P
03:43 VanessaE yes
03:43 sapier1 ok then we have to swim
03:43 VanessaE there, fix pushed.
03:43 * OldCoder is resting now
03:43 * Kacey returns with cookies
03:44 * VanessaE steals kacey's cookies
03:44 VanessaE *nom nom nom*
03:44 * noone cares
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03:44 kaeza|jEdit lol J/K
03:44 kaeza|jEdit GIVE ME A COOKIE!
03:44 * VanessaE gives kaeza|jEdit some cookies
03:44 mauvebic its weird how the flow reroutes itself when you cut some pipes lol
03:44 * Kacey plays thunderbolt on VanessaE
03:44 * VanessaE distributes the rest evenly to others in channel
03:45 * Kacey finds his hidden cookie
03:45 Kacey kept it for a reason
03:45 * kaeza|jEdit grabs the cookie nom nom
03:45 VanessaE mauvebic: can you put your fork on github and pull-request it when you're ready?  it'll be easier for me to merge your changes then :-)
03:45 * Kacey begins screaming
03:46 * VanessaE gives kacey a cookie
03:46 VanessaE :D
03:46 * Kacey eats the cookie quietly
03:46 Kacey nom nom nom
03:46 kaeza|jEdit *** A website gives Chromium a cookie
03:46 kaeza|jEdit :P
03:47 * Kacey finishes the cookie
03:47 * Kacey sits quietly staring at everyone
03:47 mauvebic Have you considered splitting vacuum into a seperate or addon mod?
03:47 Kacey 8|
03:48 VanessaE actually I thought about it briefly, but didn't see a reason to do so really
03:48 Kacey afk i have to go make POPCORN
03:48 mauvebic i put all 4 scripts together to work on it easier, but i only copied the pipe related stuff
03:48 * VanessaE secretly hides all of kacey's popcorn
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03:51 mauvebic i couldnt get the pump to works yet
03:51 mauvebic the spigot is like outlet but with one connecting side so thatll be done tonight
03:53 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/rubber_trees.png
03:53 RealBadAngel new technic rubber trees
03:55 VanessaE nice
03:55 VanessaE but why the jungletree texture?
03:55 VanessaE oh wait, that's not :-)
03:55 Kacey and why so dense?
03:56 kaeza because it's a Kacey tree
03:56 kaeza :P
03:56 Kacey im not dense
03:56 Kacey im the density of water
03:58 * Kacey is enjoying the popcorn
04:00 VanessaE RealBadAngel: I'm too lazy to learn L-systems.  Code a proper jungle tree like the ones in bas080's mod :-)
04:00 VanessaE and conifers while you're at it
04:02 RealBadAngel ok, i will try
04:03 RealBadAngel rubber tree update is already merged to technic, together with some fixes
04:11 * Kacey wants more popcorn
04:12 Kacey ^.^
04:13 sdzen|tablet nice tree
04:14 sdzen|tablet I already made something like those jungle trees but I lost the variables I used
04:15 sdzen|tablet I know it looks nice with the angle set to 1 though
04:17 kaeza anyone knows why recipes show up in craft guide but you cannot craft the items?
04:18 mauvebic spigots are go :-)
04:19 kaeza I try to make a glowglass, but the recipe doesn't work
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04:20 kaeza it says "-!- Server: no recipe for"
04:20 kaeza but the recipe shows up in craft guide
04:20 Exio craft guide?
04:21 kaeza Unified Inventory or stand-alone mod
04:21 Exio does it work with inventory_plus?
04:21 Exio anyway, going to sleep, i will check later
04:22 kaeza Exio: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2334
04:22 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Mod] Craft Guide [craft_guide] - ingame craftrecipe viewer (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
04:22 kaeza oh sorry
04:22 kaeza good night
04:22 Kacey night
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04:28 VanessaE RealBadAngel: um, can you explain this?
04:28 VanessaE screenshots coming in a sec...
04:29 VanessaE RealBadAngel: why does THIS:
04:29 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2001012013%20-%2011:30:18%20PM.png
04:29 VanessaE produce THIS:  ?
04:29 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_4186300686.png
04:30 VanessaE the actual code:  http://pastebin.com/UrveuThU
04:30 VanessaE what am I doing wrong here?
04:32 Kacey GANGNAM STYLE!!!!!!
04:35 mauvebic what is this, gundam style i keep hearing about?
04:35 VanessaE nfi.
04:35 Kacey youtube it
04:36 mauvebic hmm, looks retarded lol
04:37 Kacey lol
04:37 mauvebic oooh but i found a nice christmas light show to that tune
04:38 Kacey how many outputs would a 3-bit decoder have?
04:38 VanessaE 8.
04:38 VanessaE look up the 74LS138
04:38 VanessaE "3 to 8 decoder"
04:38 Kacey alright obviously my math was wrong
04:39 Kacey i noticed with the 2,4,8 and so on decoders were exponential
04:39 VanessaE yup
04:39 VanessaE a 4 bit input would decode to 16 outputs.
04:39 Kacey but 3 is not
04:40 VanessaE 1 bit decodes to 2 outputs.  2 bits to 3.  3 to 8.  4 to 16, 5 to 32, and so on.
04:40 Kacey 2 bits to 4
04:40 mauvebic bit pow 2
04:40 VanessaE er yeah
04:40 VanessaE 2 to 4, sorry.  typo
04:41 Kacey bit^2 but not 3,5,so on
04:41 Kacey or 1
04:41 VanessaE right
04:41 Kacey only even bits i gues
04:41 VanessaE 2 ^ #bits
04:41 VanessaE = # of outputs.
04:41 mauvebic well for every position there are two possibilities so i (think) bit pow 2
04:41 VanessaE 2 to the power of #bits.
04:42 Kacey ooh i see i had it backwards
04:42 VanessaE hence, 2^8 = 256.
04:42 mauvebic yep that
04:42 mauvebic lol
04:42 Kacey i was thinking bit to the power of 2
04:42 mauvebic math teachers used to complain i solved my problems in reverse lol
04:42 mauvebic still trips me up sometimes lol
04:43 Kacey lol
04:43 VanessaE dman it where did RealBadAngel wander off to??
04:43 VanessaE damn*
04:43 Kacey my math teachers complain that i do the problems wrong but i still get the right answer
04:44 mauvebic lol true that
04:44 VanessaE they complain because eventually your wrong method will actually lead to the wrong answer :-)
04:44 mauvebic half points
04:44 mauvebic alot of bleeding exams with 99.5% lol
04:44 Kacey my method changes per question
04:44 mauvebic i have a knack for reverse engineering stuff
04:45 Kacey i never miss besides for the ones that require suurface area of cones
04:45 Kacey me too ^^
04:45 mauvebic when i was young my parents shit themselves when i took the TV apart
04:45 mauvebic they were amazed when i put back together and it worked lol
04:45 mauvebic i had no clue what i was doing either lol
04:46 mauvebic i wouldn't fuck around with flat screens tho, chemicals
04:46 Kacey lol i took the directv reciever apart without breaking the warranty
04:46 * Kacey likes licking plasma
04:46 Kacey lol
04:46 mauvebic my cat does that
04:46 mauvebic lol
04:47 mauvebic "no kitty that aint helpin"
04:47 Kacey your 3-eyed cat?
04:47 mauvebic 2'
04:47 Kacey aaw the plasma is defective
04:47 Kacey my dog can retrieve screwdrivers and other tools
04:48 Kacey just not the ones i need lol
04:49 mauvebic my cat you give her a brush, she brushes herself lol
04:49 mauvebic when i go to bed she hops in when i do and tucks herself in the blanket lol
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04:49 Kacey when i go to bed, my dog brings me a wrench
04:49 mauvebic i dont want to know what for lol
04:50 Kacey idk i get tools randomly from her
04:50 Kacey i need a screwdriver, i get a socket wrench
04:50 mauvebic make her into an NPC lol
04:51 Kacey i need a hammer, i get a socket for a socket wrench
04:51 VanessaE damn it where is he
04:51 Kacey i need a socket wrench, i get a freaking hammer
04:51 Kacey sooo ya i never have the right tool
04:56 Kacey ok starting to program that 3-bit decoder
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05:03 VanessaE oh, Is ee.  Mapgen is griefing them.
05:03 VanessaE *sigh*
05:03 mauvebic what is the range of param1 (light)?
05:03 VanessaE 0-14
05:04 mauvebic weird im getting between 79 and 220
05:04 VanessaE did you set paramtype="light" also?
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05:04 mauvebic its air
05:04 VanessaE oh wait
05:05 VanessaE hrm
05:05 mauvebic im looking at the node above to find light levels
05:05 VanessaE I'm wrong I think
05:05 mauvebic did it change w/ shaders?
05:06 mauvebic oh wait
05:06 mauvebic there's get_node_light
05:07 mauvebic much simpler lol
05:07 Kacey VanessaE: can i build a decoder on your server?
05:07 VanessaE sure I guess
05:08 Kacey okie dokie
05:09 Kacey oop dont have it cached lol
05:13 Kacey you should put the irc mod on your server
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05:16 Kacey VanessaE: did you disable command blocks?
05:16 VanessaE ye
05:16 VanessaE yes
05:16 Kacey ok
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05:21 mauvebic hydro plants ported to aeroponics: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3439029841
05:21 VanessaE nice
05:22 mauvebic i dont know if i should bring in the plants from farming/food or focus on making the ones i have into nodeboxes?
05:23 Kacey bbl
05:27 VanessaE keep 'em plantlike.
05:28 VanessaE nodeboxes don't look too good with plants except if you wanna do minecraft-like grass
05:29 mauvebic could be a PITA to texture too lol
05:34 mauvebic i think ill pool all the plants together and make a fairly standard library of it
05:36 VanessaE cool
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05:45 Kacey back
05:51 Kacey anyone on?
05:51 kaeza b
05:51 kaeza wb
05:51 Kacey ty
05:51 VanessaE hi
05:52 Kacey hello
05:53 Kacey http://i48.tinypic.com/30adlbk.gif lol
05:55 Kacey http://englishrussia.com/images/daily_03/6.jpg nice
05:57 Kacey http://excellentpix.com/files/funzug/imgs/funnypics/onlyin_russia_29.jpg ok last one
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06:02 Kacey ooh hai
06:02 kaeza1 hai
06:02 Kacey http://i48.tinypic.com/30adlbk.gif lol
06:02 Kacey [22:55] <Kacey> http://englishrussia.com/images/daily_03/6.jpg nice
06:02 Kacey [22:57] <Kacey> http://excellentpix.com/files/funzug/imgs/funnypics/onlyin_russia_29.jpg ok last one
06:03 Kacey check those out
06:03 Kacey http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/not_fdd3c5_2399081.jpg HAHA only in america
06:05 kaeza cool... a 10yr old playing with a sniper rifle
06:05 Kacey lol
06:06 mauvebic wow he's dressed like a fat black lady
06:06 mauvebic (leopard print leggins lol)
06:06 Kacey lol
06:06 kaeza lol
06:07 Kacey http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-soldiers-American-McDonalds-drive-through.jpg haha
06:08 kaeza meh
06:09 mauvebic you know what really scares me?
06:09 mauvebic alot of soldiers show up in those fail compilation videos lol
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06:09 Kacey http://pigjockey.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/fail-owned-insert-memory-card-sign-fail.jpg lol
06:09 Kacey ya they r kinda bumbling
06:09 us_0gb Hello!
06:09 Kacey hi
06:11 mauvebic http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ugandan%20Discussions
06:11 moltenbot mauvebic's link: Urban Dictionary: Ugandan Discussions
06:12 us_0gb "Moltenbot"? Is the IRC robot melting?
06:12 Kacey idk
06:13 kaeza Kacey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m0kkUi52dw&amp;feature=player_embedded
06:13 moltenbot kaeza's link: GameStain - Year in games 2012 - YouTube
06:13 Kacey http://failatfailing.com/upload/16921-29914/misspelled-bump-sign-fail.jpg
06:13 mauvebic Three little maids from school are we
06:13 mauvebic Pert as a school-girl well can be
06:14 mauvebic Filled to the brim with girlish glee
06:14 mauvebic Three little maids from school
06:19 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&amp;NR=1&amp;v=SUOgGFTpnxY
06:19 moltenbot Kacey's link: Minecraft - Video Game Therapist - YouTube
06:20 Kacey minetest will never end up like that
06:20 us_0gb MineCRAFT? Traitor.
06:20 Kacey no it is a funny video
06:20 Kacey crafting addiction
06:21 mauvebic i hate crafting lol
06:21 Kacey me too lol
06:21 mauvebic too many mods, nodes and crafts to remember lol
06:21 us_0gb True.
06:21 Kacey lol /giveme is soooooooooo much bette
06:21 mauvebic if you have to lookem up in the crafting guide too then its really out of hand lol
06:21 Kacey better*
06:21 us_0gb I play a fairly vanila game though, so it's easier.
06:22 mauvebic my wife likes the market i added
06:22 mauvebic dig random shit, sell it, buy what you need
06:22 us_0gb Nice.
06:23 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmCvnWj0_hc
06:23 moltenbot Kacey's link: Dick Figures - First Day of Cool (Ep #34) - YouTube
06:23 mrtux user@mrtux:~/minetest/bin$ ./minetestserver --port 12300
06:23 mrtux terminate called after throwing an instance of 'SerializationError'
06:23 mrtux what():  BanManager::load(): Couldn't open file
06:23 mrtux Aborted
06:23 mrtux uh
06:23 kaeza hehe love Dick Figures
06:24 mauvebic king of the hill +1
06:25 kaeza Kacey: have a disturbing night :) http://www.mondomedia.com/videos/eyes-cold-lemonade-blurb-2/
06:25 mauvebic ok i have to port veggies bbl
06:27 Kacey nothing disturbs me anymore so HA
06:27 kaeza *i lied*
06:28 us_0gb Are vegetables supposed to be disturbing?
06:28 us_0gb Oh, sorry. I spaced that one.
06:29 mauvebic poop, only 3 of the vegetables have 4 stages of growth
06:29 us_0gb What vegetables? Is this some sort of other game?
06:29 kaeza us_0gb: http://www.mondomedia.com/videos/eyes-cold-lemonade-blurb-2/
06:30 mauvebic sokomine wanted me to adds plants from farming and superfarming but most of them have 2-3 stages
06:31 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0QQPTo8mXw have a very disturbing night
06:32 moltenbot Kacey's link: hypno's lullaby - YouTube
06:34 kaeza meh
06:37 Kacey do you skip to the end of a video to check for a scary face?
06:44 mauvebic high tech lol http://www.zimg.eu/i/2669438327
06:45 us_0gb Wow, nice.
06:45 mauvebic 9 plants so far, i need to rewrite the plantlib to suit plants with  < 4 stages
06:45 us_0gb How do you get the hydro seeds to grow on those?
06:46 mauvebic so long as the trays got water and theres light in the vicinity, it grows
06:46 mauvebic light level > 11
06:47 us_0gb On the version I have, you need promix and growlamps. Is mine outdated or something?
06:47 mauvebic i wrote it a long time ago yeah lol
06:47 mauvebic i had to do quite a few searches of ompldr to find it too lol the drive housing the originals died lol
06:48 mauvebic i still think my textures are crap but i can work on that
06:48 us_0gb That's not good.
06:48 mauvebic 7yr old hard drive that was root so many partitions/repartitions... its time came lol
06:48 us_0gb I like them ,but I'm not picky with graphics, so take that as you will.
06:49 us_0gb The textures, I mean.
06:49 mauvebic they dont need to be fancy, i just need to make them blend a little more with 32/64px textures
06:49 mauvebic even the underlying trays use 32px textures lol
06:50 us_0gb Will you be keeping the 16 pixel images available?
06:50 mauvebic not in the mod folder
06:51 mauvebic otherwise they get loaded along with everything else
06:51 Kacey well night all
06:51 mauvebic im sure there are texture packs for taste too lol
06:51 mauvebic *every taste
06:52 us_0gb True. Rabbi Bob has a seperate download available for different resolutions. You could do that if you wanted.
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06:53 mauvebic 16px gives me headaches, its too much of one color
06:53 us_0gb His other resolution downloads only include the textures themselves, so it doesn't involve redundancy.
06:53 us_0gb I see.
06:54 us_0gb Too bad then. Non-16 pixel looks odd along with all the 16 pixel images.
06:55 mauvebic people can use whatever textures they want lol
06:56 us_0gb Yeah, but only if they have a way to GET said textures.
06:56 us_0gb That's okay. I'll just use your old ones.
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08:33 markveidemanis HI!
08:33 markveidemanis who knows about nodenames and giveme?
08:56 * VanessaE wanders off to bed
08:56 VanessaE night all
08:56 kaeza night
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09:31 john_minetest Hello.
09:41 mauvebic howdy
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10:17 vibe-x gumo
10:26 kaeza hey all
10:26 kaeza I just discovered a bug/misfeature
10:26 kaeza IDK if it has been reported yet
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10:31 Matrixiumn Hello
10:32 Matrixiumn What package do I install if I get "Could NOT find OpenGL (missing: OPENGL_gl_LIBRARY)" and yes I have tried "opengl" and "libopengl" and none of them existed (for me anyway)
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10:35 kaeza hi Matrixiumn
10:35 kaeza gimme a sec
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10:36 kaeza Matrixiumn: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L83
10:36 moltenbot kaeza's link: minetest/README.txt at master ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
10:37 kaeza see that link
10:37 kaeza I think opengl is libgl1-mesa-dev
10:38 Matrixiumn Thanks :)
10:39 kaeza yw
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10:47 markveidemanis_ hiiiiiiii
10:47 kaeza hey mark
10:47 markveidemanis_ my server is LIVE!
10:48 kaeza nice!
10:48 markveidemanis_ and i have a sky city
10:48 markveidemanis_ where i copied and pasted peoples houses:D
11:01 Matrixiumn I installed the libjpeg thing but:
11:01 Matrixiumn Could NOT find JPEG (missing: JPEG_LIBRARY JPEG_INCLUDE_DIR)
11:01 kaeza hm?
11:01 Matrixiumn During cmake
11:02 sapier you need to install libjpeg-dev
11:02 kaeza hello sapier
11:02 sapier hello
11:02 markveidemanis hello
11:06 TB|Vibe-X does someone know, what wield-image means?
11:06 TB|Vibe-X in lua file in mod "locks"
11:10 TB|Vibe-X ah alright, its the image that is used, while handling the item ;)
11:13 Matrixiumn I installed bzip2
11:13 Matrixiumn But I still get
11:13 Matrixiumn Could NOT find JPEG (missing: JPEG_LIBRARY JPEG_INCLUDE_DIR)
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11:15 TB|Vibe-X where do you get it? while starting minetest?
11:15 TB|Vibe-X or want to compile yourself?
11:15 TB|Vibe-X then you need the dev packages
11:15 TB|Vibe-X on debian wiki : libjpeg12-dev package and dependencie are required when "missing: JPEG_LIBRARY JPEG_INCLUDE_DIR"
11:16 TB|Vibe-X this is needed maybe for you, if you use ubuntu or debian
11:17 Matrixiumn TB|Vibe-X: I'm compiling it on my Raspberry Pi to be used as a server and I get: E: Unable to locate package libjpeg12-dev
11:17 TB|Vibe-X which distri you use?
11:18 TB|Vibe-X and which version
11:18 Matrixiumn Raspbian (Basically Debian)
11:18 TB|Vibe-X debian squeeze
11:18 Matrixiumn Yes
11:18 TB|Vibe-X or which ;) cat /etc/isue
11:18 TB|Vibe-X kk
11:18 TB|Vibe-X http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libjpeg&amp;searchon=names&amp;suite=quantal&amp;section=all
11:18 moltenbot TB|Vibe-X's link: Ubuntu -- Package Search Results -- libjpeg
11:18 TB|Vibe-X ah sorry not ubuntu
11:18 TB|Vibe-X mom please
11:19 TB|Vibe-X maybe you test libjpeg62-dev
11:19 TB|Vibe-X or libjpeg8-dev
11:19 TB|Vibe-X the problem is, that i dont know which file you need to include while compiling
11:23 Matrixiumn Error after error :(
11:23 Matrixiumn Could NOT find BZip2 (missing: BZIP2_LIBRARIES BZIP2_INCLUDE_DIR)
11:23 Matrixiumn TB|Vibe-X: ^^
11:24 TB|Vibe-X which file do ths error while compiling?
11:24 TB|Vibe-X or what command do you use
11:25 Matrixiumn pi@raspberrypi ~/minetest $ cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
11:26 TB|Vibe-X kk
11:26 TB|Vibe-X moment
11:26 thexyz i doubt minetest client will work on rpi
11:27 ruskie iirc the engine is available for it
11:27 ruskie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvbht9xa98w
11:27 Matrixiumn thexyz: People have said the server works on it
11:27 moltenbot ruskie's link: Sneak preview of Irrlicht 3D engine running on the Raspberry Pi - YouTube
11:28 thexyz Matrixiumn: you should build with -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 then
11:28 TB|Vibe-X Matrixiumn, bzip2 ... you need the dev package
11:28 TB|Vibe-X not the bzip2 ;)
11:28 TB|Vibe-X for compiling you need the source and headr files which are in dev packages
11:31 OldCoder Good morning
11:31 TB|Vibe-X hi
11:33 markveidemanis good <almost afternoon>
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11:42 kaeza morning OldCoder
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11:45 OldCoder kaeza, hi
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11:48 TB|Vibe-X woooow compiling successfully <3
11:49 TB|Vibe-X without merge player error shit
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11:59 sapier does anyone know a way to identify a inventory by its reference?
11:59 kaeza what do you mean?
11:59 sapier detached inventorys have callbacks, those callbacks get a invref
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12:00 sapier but invref given to callbacks ain't same as returned on create_detached_inventory
12:00 kaeza right
12:00 sapier why?
12:00 kaeza dunno
12:01 sapier how to know which inventory callback is called for?
12:13 kaeza maybe this question is stupid, but is it possible to implement shiny, mirror-like surfaces using shaders? they need not be truly reflective
12:15 Jeija I was trying that, and it should be possible somehow using shaders. I had some strange blueish reflection-stripes in the end, but I couldn't have realistic water refraction. However I managed to code water waves: https://github.com/Jeija/minetest/tree/shader_playground
12:15 moltenbot Jeija's link: Jeija/minetest at shader_playground ? GitHub
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12:21 Obiewan1111 Anyone know how to make Smooth stone?
12:21 Obiewan1111 And hey!
12:22 kaeza Jeija: nice! can you show some screenshots?
12:22 kaeza Obiewan1111: cook cobblestone in a furnace
12:23 Jeija I should have something better than screenshots, let me search a video...
12:24 Jeija http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUzyw1a7Ghs there you go
12:24 moltenbot Jeija's link: Minetest Water Shaders - Proof of Concept - YouTube
12:24 Obiewan1111 That is awesome!
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12:27 kaeza Jeija: that's cool
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12:30 jojoa1997 hello yall
12:30 kaeza hey jojoa1997
12:31 jojoa1997 everyone come join minetest.org 30010
12:31 jojoa1997 kaeza:hi
12:31 kaeza jojoa1997: I tested it. It's a pretty good world.
12:32 jojoa1997 yeah
12:32 jojoa1997 only problem is the craft guide doesnt want to work
12:33 TB|Vibe-X Jeija, whater shaders means waves?
12:33 TB|Vibe-X or is it some graphical thing?
12:33 kaeza jojoa1997: what do you mean?
12:33 TB|Vibe-X ah sorry wrong grammer, with shader waves are possible :D
12:33 kaeza grammar* :P
12:34 jojoa1997 what is the recipe for craft guide
12:34 jojoa1997 ss
12:34 jojoa1997 ss
12:34 jojoa1997 s
12:34 * kaeza is a grammar nazi
12:34 jojoa1997 s=stick right
12:34 kaeza yeah
12:35 kaeza are you sure it's installed? I also tried crafting it in 30004 with no results
12:35 jojoa1997 maybe it is not
12:35 TB|Vibe-X kaeza, as german like me, you write some words in another way
12:35 TB|Vibe-X when you think about german words and writing english :D
12:36 * TB|Vibe-X reboots ...
12:36 nyuszika7h hi, which is the official repo? minetest/minetest or celeron55/minetest?
12:36 kaeza celeron55
12:36 nyuszika7h ok
12:39 kaeza TB|Vibe-X: J/K
12:39 * kaeza is not german
12:40 Jeija still working on particles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB_wJbUaiJU
12:40 moltenbot Jeija's link: Particles for minetest - 4th version - YouTube
12:40 TB|Vibe-X but me ;)
12:41 TB|Vibe-X i just told, that when you think german, and writing english, sometimes some words are written wrongly
12:41 OldCoder NEWS: I am adding craft_guide, updating mesecons, animals go to more worlds. Any other changes? Speak now.
12:42 OldCoder NEWS I am shutting down worlds for backups
12:42 OldCoder and updates
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12:48 kaeza OldCoder: minor fixes to IRC
12:49 OldCoder kaeza, I will update now, then
12:49 OldCoder kaeza, Is git updated?
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12:50 Dopium hello
12:55 kaeza OldCoder: yes
12:55 kaeza Dopium: hey
12:55 TB|Vibe-X a question for lua coders, is it possible in minetest to use functions from other mods? modA e.g. has func_a  can modB use func_a ?
12:56 TB|Vibe-X or are they seperated
12:56 kaeza yes
12:56 thexyz if that function is not local, then yes
12:56 jojoa1997 for the builtin_items mod this sets the dissapear to 0 right remove_items=0
12:56 TB|Vibe-X ahh okay thank you :)
12:56 kaeza but you must either depend on the mod or develop a clever way to detect it
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12:57 TB|Vibe-X yeah of course ;)
12:57 kaeza and fail gracefully if it's not installed
12:57 TB|Vibe-X dependencies are used
12:57 sapier what do you think about this gui for a npc trader? http://ompldr.org/vZ3d4ZA
12:57 TB|Vibe-X i was happy about reading, that minecraft "Technic" mod is ported to minetest <3
12:57 kaeza sapier: :/
12:57 TB|Vibe-X or was it stolen from minetest :D
12:57 sapier @kaeza not good?
12:58 kaeza too convoluted IMHO
12:58 sapier I'm not very talented in creating guis
12:58 kaeza you should add a label between the "Price/Selection/etc" row and the player inv
12:58 kaeza to separate it a bit
12:59 sapier proably reducing upper inv to 2 lines and moving "selection ... takeaway" up?
12:59 sapier maybe a trader selling 16 goods is fine enough
12:59 kaeza that could be another option
13:00 TB|Vibe-X just 1 more stupd question :/ is minetest able to create multiworld, or is there any plugin you know about?
13:01 thexyz wtf is multiworld?
13:01 TB|Vibe-X muliple worlds
13:01 TB|Vibe-X 1 default, and a second e.g.
13:01 TB|Vibe-X or third
13:03 FreeFull t
13:03 thexyz umm.. have you ever launched minetest?
13:03 thexyz yes, you can choose which world to play when starting the game
13:05 TB|Vibe-X sorry about this missunderstanding ;) i meant, if 1 server can manage more than 1 world, and is there a possibility to switch as player between them
13:05 TB|Vibe-X like in minecraft -> default, nether, end_world
13:05 jojoa1997 if LAD comes on can someone tell me
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13:09 markveidemanis what is +v
13:09 markveidemanis or voice
13:10 sapier is this gui better? http://ompldr.org/vZ3d4aw
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13:18 thexyz TB|Vibe-X: no
13:22 kaeza anyone knows what does this mean?
13:22 kaeza minetest/src/tile.cpp:503: virtual irr::u32 TextureSource::getTextureId(const string&): Assertion 'result.key == name' failed.
13:23 TB|Vibe-X thexyz, will it ? or is such a feature not interesting enough? i will have a look in the git :)
13:25 kaeza TB|Vibe-X: I believe RealBadAngel was working on something similar
13:26 TB|Vibe-X ahh okay, i will ask his/her (i think female? :D)
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13:27 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
13:28 TB|Vibe-X hi pilz
13:39 john_minetest Hi PilzAdam
13:40 john_minetest Hey, a cool feature would be to trade things with npc villagers.
13:44 TB|Vibe-X which mod @ john_minetest
13:44 john_minetest There is no mod that features this afaik but it would be cool to have something like this.
13:45 TB|Vibe-X yeah, but there are some mods who let npcs create
13:45 TB|Vibe-X those should make trading possible
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13:47 sapier @john_minetest there is a mod I just completed trader support for mobf, but can't do an official release until git pull is done
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13:55 markveidemanis hi
13:55 markveidemanis !up minetest.org 30001
13:55 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30001 DOWN
13:55 markveidemanis 30010
13:55 markveidemanis dammit
13:57 markveidemanis !up minetest.org 30010
13:57 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30010 DOWN
13:59 ruskie [13:42:12] @<OldCoder> NEWS I am shutting down worlds for backups and updates
13:59 ruskie that was a bit over an hour ago
13:59 OldCoder Hi
13:59 OldCoder ruskie, I am making changes
13:59 OldCoder Good stuff
13:59 OldCoder <-- working hard for your happiness
13:59 markveidemanis hi
13:59 ruskie simply forwarding the message to markveidemanis that is looking for minetest.org servers
13:59 ruskie hehe
14:00 markveidemanis ?
14:00 OldCoder markveidemanis, Patience is a virtue
14:00 markveidemanis ok
14:00 markveidemanis ...
14:00 OldCoder markveidemanis, I am developing a server framework
14:00 OldCoder Every update is a step forward
14:00 markveidemanis ok
14:01 OldCoder It ain't easy keeping 19 worlds working and up to date with new stuff
14:01 OldCoder For example right now there is an interesting conflict between animals and curl
14:02 OldCoder Multiple animals have the sound file random_1.ogg
14:02 sapier @OldCoder conflict?
14:02 OldCoder That is a non-no
14:02 OldCoder That is a no-no
14:02 OldCoder Media files need to have unique names
14:02 sapier yes I've already fixed this
14:02 OldCoder Ah
14:02 OldCoder But not in the old version... I understand
14:02 * OldCoder considers possible workarounds
14:03 OldCoder Hmm
14:03 sapier mobf is becoming 2.0 soon I'm not quite sure if it's worth to fix it for 1.4
14:03 OldCoder I know
14:03 OldCoder Is there a patch I can backport?
14:03 OldCoder I need to get to RL work
14:03 sapier not quite have been to many places to fix
14:03 OldCoder Hmm
14:03 markveidemanis can ONE person go on markmt.strangled.net to test, just in and log out
14:03 OldCoder t y
14:04 markveidemanis NVM works
14:04 OldCoder sapier, If I simply delete random_1.ogg
14:04 OldCoder what will happen?
14:05 sapier you most likely get an error message at startup
14:05 sapier but it'll continue
14:05 OldCoder will the mod still work?
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14:05 sapier i think so
14:05 OldCoder That is the best fix then
14:06 sapier @markveidemanis I'm joining ;-)
14:07 sapier no I'm not minetest just crashed
14:09 OldCoder Trying to restart worlds; new problem
14:11 sapier related to mobf?
14:11 OldCoder No
14:11 OldCoder One moment
14:12 OldCoder minetest/games/octuteam_game/mods/bobblocks/init.lua:
14:12 OldCoder ...netest/games/octuteam_game/mods/bobblocks/blocks.lua:678:
14:12 OldCoder attempt to call method 'register_on_signal_on' (a nil value)
14:12 OldCoder stack traceback:
14:12 OldCoder ...netest/games/octuteam_game/mods/bobblocks/blocks.lua:678:
14:12 OldCoder in main chunk
14:12 OldCoder [C]: in function 'dofile'
14:12 OldCoder ...minetest/games/octuteam_game/mods/bobblocks/init.lua:2: in main chunk
14:12 OldCoder markveidemanis, is this your doing?
14:12 OldCoder The new blocks mod?
14:12 markveidemanis ?
14:13 * OldCoder greps
14:13 markveidemanis bobblocks needs mesecons
14:13 OldCoder which I have just updated...
14:13 OldCoder Jeija said it would break crossings
14:13 OldCoder But should not break other things
14:13 OldCoder I will downgrade mesecons
14:13 markveidemanis ok
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14:14 OldCoder markveidemanis, He said one line patch would fix incompatibility
14:14 OldCoder Any idea what that patch might be?
14:15 markveidemanis no
14:15 OldCoder k ty
14:15 markveidemanis im terrible at Lua
14:15 OldCoder k
14:18 OldCoder
14:18 OldCoder NEWS worlds restarted. Please test them!
14:18 markveidemanis are servers up?
14:18 OldCoder markveidemanis, ^
14:18 markveidemanis !up minetest.org 30010
14:18 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30010 UP
14:18 OldCoder See what is broken now please
14:18 markveidemanis AYYA
14:19 markveidemanis YAY
14:19 OldCoder NEWS Mesecons update must wait until I can talk to Jeija
14:19 OldCoder It breaks all my worlds
14:19 * OldCoder is on an errand
14:19 OldCoder I will be here most of the day though
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14:19 OldCoder marktraceur, Hi!
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14:31 PilzAdam kaeza, do you use git?
14:32 kaeza yes
14:32 PilzAdam git log -1
14:32 kaeza k
14:32 PilzAdam will show you the last commit
14:32 PilzAdam (notice: its -[one] not l)
14:32 kaeza Sun Dec 23 17:16:46 2012 +0200
14:32 kaeza commit 0f1d2c127cd58aa9b1afa22769dcdaf8f71d05e6
14:33 kaeza I think it's a bit outdated...
14:33 PilzAdam thats 5 commits behind current HEAD
14:33 PilzAdam but this is the commit that should the attachment bug
14:34 Minetest-tan GIT: RealBadAngel (RealBadAngel) commited to celeron55/minetest: Bugfixes to item_image formspec method 36f03a7f4a 2013-01-02T06:29:08-08:00
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15:08 iqualfragile sapier: maybee add mumies (mumien)
15:08 john_minetest the curse of the pharaoes!
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15:09 iqualfragile yeah, maybee even some litle pyramids
15:09 sapier @iqualfragile good idea but top priority is getting that pull into core
15:10 iqualfragile "that pull"?
15:12 ruskie iqualfragile, so wanted to discuss something about libertree or?
15:13 iqualfragile nope, i just saw you over there and thougt: where do you know that name from…
15:13 ruskie hehe
15:13 ruskie #libertree btw ;)
15:16 sapier https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/383 that one and here's a link what you can do with it http://ompldr.org/vZ3d4aw
15:16 kaeza sapier: +1
15:16 kaeza it's better organized that way
15:17 kaeza or is it not?
15:17 sapier @kaeza thanks it's based on your suggestions
15:18 kaeza oh stop it you! *blushes*
15:18 sapier by the way that inventory was shown by rightclicking the mob behind
15:18 Zeg9 sapier as I said, +10
15:18 kaeza yeah I see
15:18 kaeza excellent job
15:19 sapier still it's useless without that pull ;-|
15:19 kaeza now to wait for someone to merge that in
15:19 kaeza hehe
15:19 Zeg9 I hope it will be merged faster than my pull request... lol
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15:34 sapier does anyone what would be best to interact with transport carts? .. punching accelerates, rightclick takes ... I've got now button left to open inventory :)
15:35 revolution in habitants of Gameboom, allow us to inform you that the Bad_Command's (aka BC) old place was transformed into a lovely public park with a recreational center underneath. Here are some pictures: http://imgur.com/a/EQ6Ky
15:35 moltenbot revolution's link:             minetest revolution - Imgur
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15:40 revolution this is our first public service announcement. good bye
15:44 OldCoder Hmm?
15:44 OldCoder What was that about?
15:46 sapier hmm probably we need a new channel "minetest-announcements"
15:47 iqualfragile or #minetest-de
15:47 john_minetest new channel? I think #minetest is the channel where the people are. in "#minetest-announcements" noone would be reached.
15:47 john_minetest And reaching people is the purpose of announcements.
15:49 OldCoder I'd like a copy of that map
15:49 sapier :-) that was idea behind ;-)
15:51 thexyz we already have 5 channels
15:52 thexyz #minetest, #minetest-delta, #minetest-dev, #minetest-mods, #minetest-doc
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15:55 sapier hmm didn't even know about mods and doc channels :-)
15:56 sapier it wasn't a real suggestion but a joke ... not a good one obviously
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16:05 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, there is a tab at the end of this line: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp#L820
16:05 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: minetest/src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp at master ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
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16:05 thexyz the fact that overviewer renders http://overviewer.org/~agrif/oilblog/old.png in ~1.5s makes me slightly depressed
16:06 PilzAdam in wich language is it written?
16:08 thexyz PilzAdam: python & C
16:11 iqualfragile thexyz: pypy is strange, it requires a libary wich is only avivable on the newest ubuntu, so im having a litle bit of problems on my debian stable…
16:12 iqualfragile thexyz: maybee you could try using the gpu for rendering the maps, that would render the whole map in ~1/5 sec
16:13 thexyz ha, gpu + python
16:13 Zeg9 Yeah, pyopengl
16:13 Zeg9 ;)
16:15 Exio even java is faster than that
16:17 Zeg9 thexyz, is your script faster with pypy or doesn't it change anything?
16:17 jojoa1997 how do i revoke interact from someone
16:18 PilzAdam /revoke playername interact
16:18 john_minetest hi jojoa1997. just saw you on mark's server ^^
16:18 Zeg9 thexyz, can your script run somehow with pypy ? :p
16:19 jojoa1997 not working
16:19 iqualfragile Zeg9: try it
16:19 jojoa1997 nvm
16:20 thexyz Zeg9: dunno, never tried
16:21 Zeg9 I'll try then - /me must figure out how to install pil for pypy
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16:22 rubenwardy hi all
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16:23 PilzAdam hey rubenwardy
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16:24 Mika_R ERROR[main] : WARNING: updatelistener: invalid name
16:25 Mika_R ERROR[main] : WARNING: before createPlayingSound: invalid name
16:25 Mika_R anyone know what is the reason to those kind of errors and how to fix?
16:25 Mika_R Oldcoder ^
16:26 iqualfragile Mika_R: what did you do before that happened?
16:26 Mika_R walk
16:26 iqualfragile did you install any new mods recently?
16:26 Mika_R no, only have the ones the server has
16:28 Mika_R at least 21 Error lines when i look in F10, 13 updatelistener errors and 8 before createPlayingSound
16:29 OldCoder R
16:29 OldCoder Mika_R, I know what that is
16:29 OldCoder Mika_R, still here?
16:29 Mika_R yes
16:29 OldCoder Mika_R, If that just started...
16:29 Mika_R yesterday when i got the game again
16:30 OldCoder Mika_R, It is a bug in Animals. Sapier1 has fixed it in new release but it is not stable or safe. He says the mod should continue to work.
16:30 OldCoder Indicate if Animals work or not.
16:30 Mika_R with /mods its not listed, don't know if redcrab has it here
16:30 OldCoder Mika_R, Then it is not related to my worlds?
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16:31 OldCoder Mika_R, I can't comment in that case
16:31 Mika_R Oldcoder i tagged you cause you know a lot
16:32 Mika_R Everyone agree that this is cause of windows
16:33 NekoGloop Yes, because minetest is slowly becoming nonwindows compatible
16:33 thexyz ha-ha, ur fun
16:34 thexyz NekoGloop: seriously, remove highlight from "windows" word
16:34 NekoGloop I dont have a highlight on windows.
16:35 thexyz strange, it looks like you have
16:35 thexyz what "windows compatibility" are you talking about?
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16:36 NekoGloop As in it will no longer run on windows. Because "open source is better" (in the sense that it can be hacked easily)
16:36 thexyz nope, it will
16:36 Calinou NekoGloop: it is still perfeclty windows compatible
16:37 Calinou sound works fine, the game itself works fine and is still quite fast
16:37 OldCoder Mika_R, ty!
16:37 Calinou minetest will probably never break windows compatibility else we would lose like 75% of players
16:37 PilzAdam onomatopoeia data for a mapgen v7 map: http://ompldr.org/vZ3d6eA/data.zip
16:37 thexyz NekoGloop: can you prove your words in any way?
16:38 thexyz PilzAdam: it doesn't support old mapblock versions ATM
16:38 PilzAdam it took 1 hour (!) to generate it
16:39 thexyz oh, you mean that
16:39 thexyz mapgenv7, let me check it
16:40 thexyz PilzAdam: can you send me that map?
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16:42 PilzAdam thexyz, the map is 3.4 MiB  smaller (!) than the data for the mapper
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16:42 Mika_R got to go, bye
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16:43 PilzAdam thexyz, map: http://ompldr.org/vZ3d6eg/v7.zip
16:43 thexyz PilzAdam: ty
16:43 PilzAdam and with the default mapper: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1999518607
16:44 PilzAdam thexyz, as you can see your mapper adds some huge white areas to the map
16:44 thexyz PilzAdam: I know
16:44 thexyz it's far from alpha
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16:45 thexyz I already implemented stupidMakeTilesV2; it's ~3 times slower than stupidMakeTiles
16:45 thexyz still working on it
16:46 rubenwardy PilzAdam: ...apper: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1999518607
16:46 rubenwardy what are the gray areas?
16:46 PilzAdam can you also generate the image with the old mapper and add a button "Switch view" to the html interface
16:46 PilzAdam rubenwardy, stone
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16:47 NekoGloop You've generated the mapblocks under the surface but not the surface, it seems.
16:47 thexyz PilzAdam: I don't think this feature is needed
16:47 NekoGloop Or took a hellaciously long time digging.
16:48 PilzAdam thexyz, just random ideas
16:48 Zeg9 You can easily modify the map.html
16:48 Zeg9 To add a link/button to switch view
16:48 PilzAdam thexyz, maybe add a second view from the other side
16:48 Zeg9 That would be nice but would take 2 times longer :D
16:49 thexyz the top priority for now is to make it generate map in reasonable time, all other feature-requests are rejected
16:50 Zeg9 Maybe with pyopengl it would be faster...
16:50 thexyz Zeg9: care to implement & test?
16:50 Zeg9 forget this idea
16:50 thexyz sure
16:50 Zeg9 lol
16:50 Zeg9 I'm trying to get it running with pypy
16:51 PilzAdam thexyz, now a real feature suggestion: export the images immediatly so people can see the this parts while its generating
16:51 PilzAdam -the
16:51 thexyz well, that's not the "right way" to make it fast, the right way is to think about faster algo to draw blocks
16:51 rubenwardy what are you doing, PilzAdam / thexyz?
16:52 thexyz PilzAdam: it already does, doesn't it?
16:52 PilzAdam lemme check
16:52 thexyz except that it only generates images for size 5
16:52 thexyz rubenwardy: https://github.com/xyzz/onomatopoeia/
16:52 moltenbot thexyz's link: xyzz/onomatopoeia ? GitHub
16:53 PilzAdam thexyz, it exports the images but I cant see it in the web interface
16:54 thexyz PilzAdam: zoom in
16:54 thexyz rubenwardy: also http://minetest.ru/onomatopoeia/
16:55 PilzAdam nope, I cant find anything
16:56 Zeg9 Fail at pypy:
16:56 Zeg9 transform = numpy.matrix(numpy.identity(3))
16:56 Zeg9 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'matrix'
16:58 rubenwardy thats a great idea
16:59 rubenwardy I thought of doing it ages ago, but I did not think it would be worth it
17:00 thexyz why?
17:01 rubenwardy because the might as well just log into the game, i thought, and it would slow the server down
17:01 rubenwardy the way you made it look it much better, like a map
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17:01 rubenwardy another reason is that I dont have the skill to do something like that
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17:05 rubenwardy === vote ===
17:05 rubenwardy what should the food mod contain next?
17:06 FreeFull Hmm
17:06 NekoGloop it should contain nuts.
17:06 PilzAdam food</troll>
17:06 FreeFull What kinda nuts
17:06 FreeFull I think hazelnuts sound good
17:06 rubenwardy nuts would be more of a tree mod thing
17:06 rubenwardy nuts found under trees with a 1/3 chance of finding a nut
17:09 rubenwardy cool, a poll mod has been added to the forum
17:10 PilzAdam theres also PM now
17:10 rubenwardy is there? awesome
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17:13 rubenwardy PilzAdam, have you ever counted how many mods you have made?
17:13 PilzAdam yes
17:13 rubenwardy ...
17:13 PilzAdam it was something like 0.33 mods per day
17:14 rubenwardy lol
17:14 rubenwardy for me it is 0.000000000000003 mods a day
17:14 rubenwardy = 2 mods
17:14 rubenwardy traps and food
17:14 rubenwardy interesting combation
17:14 rubenwardy combination
17:14 * VanessaE wanders in for a few mins
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17:15 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on VanessaE's head
17:15 PilzAdam hi VanessaE
17:15 rubenwardy PilzAdam, you are certainly worthy of this medal several times over: https://github.com/rubenwardy/punbb_medals/blob/master/medal_types.php#L20
17:15 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: punbb_medals/medal_types.php at master ? rubenwardy/punbb_medals ? GitHub
17:15 Dopium hi vanessae
17:15 * PilzAdam puts a mushroom on VanessaE's head
17:16 * rubenwardy puts a hazelnut on VanessaE's head
17:16 * VanessaE looks at PilzAdam and grumbles
17:16 * NekoGloop puts a kitten holding a mushroom on PilzAdam's head
17:16 rubenwardy you are all nuts
17:16 * PilzAdam wants to eat the mushroom but accidently eat the kitten
17:16 rubenwardy * we are all mad around here *
17:16 PilzAdam oops
17:17 * VanessaE tosses the kitten in OldCoder's pile
17:17 NekoGloop OldCoder: "Help! I'm drowning in kittens!"
17:18 NekoGloop kitten: "wheeee~"
17:18 thexyz rubenwardy: is that "medals" plugin finished?
17:19 rubenwardy not yet
17:19 rubenwardy http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/147578/#p147578
17:20 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Making a Medal Extension: What is the hook for user bar (Page 1) -- PunBB 1.4 troubleshooting -- PunBB Forums
17:20 rubenwardy what are the bounds for a nodebox? is it 0.5 to -0.5?
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17:21 thexyz rubenwardy: yes
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17:31 rubenwardy what happens if a nodebox co-ord goes out of bounds?
17:32 OldCoder Hi
17:32 VanessaE the nodebox just gets bigger.
17:32 OldCoder Wait
17:32 VanessaE and the texture gets tiled across
17:32 OldCoder I don't have a pile of kittens any longer... somebody took them the other day
17:33 VanessaE so e.g. an X range of -0.5 to +1.5 would be two nodes wide and the texture would be tiled sideways
17:33 VanessaE OldCoder: oh, well in that case..
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17:33 * VanessaE grabs NekoGloop's box of kittens and pours some at OldCoder's feet
17:33 NekoGloop Oi! I was using that.
17:34 sokomine oldocder: just wait for nekogloop to come back with his infinite supply of kittens :-)
17:34 sokomine ah, ok, vanessae has access to them as well :)
17:34 thexyz rubenwardy: you shouldn't do that, it's evil
17:34 Obiewan1111 Anyone know when redcrab's server will be back online?
17:35 NekoGloop She just knows where i keep the kitten generator
17:35 rubenwardy i was just wondering so I would know if I make a mistake
17:35 sokomine my large bridges do that. it may happen that you fall down from them from one side. but it mostly works
17:35 PilzAdam rubenwardy, I dont recommend make nodeboxes bigger than one node, the textures look really ugly when you do it (to be more precise the texture gets sized to the size of one node and the "other" node just has the color of the last pixel in this direction)
17:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: not correct.
17:36 PilzAdam ehm
17:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, [citation needed]
17:36 sokomine let's say it works to a degree but may have unexpected side effects
17:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: the texture is repeated along the axis in question, see Home Decor mod refrigerator.
17:36 NekoGloop PilzAdam: That's fixed.
17:36 VanessaE that object is one 2-node-tall nodebox that exploits the tileable nature of its front/side/back textures.
17:37 Mika_R Sokomine, can you get on to redcrabs 30401?
17:37 sokomine mika: hi & i'll try
17:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: on my server, go into either of my houses, find the kitchen area, and look at the fridge :-)
17:37 sokomine oh, hm...seems i don't get connected either :-( hope it will be up again soon
17:38 sokomine rubenwardy: you seem to be one owner (the latest?) of the spawn area. do you know whom to contact to get a spot for the building school?
17:38 VanessaE sokomine, Mika_R:  it's dead for me, too.
17:38 thexyz VanessaE: no, it's not repeated
17:38 rubenwardy you can contact me
17:38 VanessaE thexyz: yes, it is.
17:38 thexyz for me it's only repeated when cracks are shown
17:39 rubenwardy or cactuz
17:39 sokomine i just saw glass beeing stolen again yesterday. the nature of the theft indicates that it was rather a clueless player than a malicious griefer...
17:39 rubenwardy brb
17:39 sokomine rubenwardy: fine! hope it will get up soon again
17:40 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://www.zimg.eu/i/6992464
17:41 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_4233821853.png
17:41 VanessaE I counter with that ^^
17:41 Mika_R sokomine, have you been thrown 5000 blocks from spawn when logging in? i spawned on top an other player and couldn't move, and then his character had some blocks in it, like if they were dropped and tangled in him
17:41 VanessaE (the same holds true for the default 16px texture also)
17:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, are you crazy? you cant counter that; its a fact that one side doesnt work correclty
17:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: then explain why it works for me?
17:42 sokomine pilzadam: those things may happen. but grapical glitches are common anyway. when running/restarting a world several times without exiting the game inbetween i loose more and more images and get more and more errors. even under normal circumstances there are random textures missing (i.e. whole block has the same color) for no apparent reason
17:42 sokomine mika had trouble with them yesterday as well
17:42 Obiewan1111 What texture pack is that Vanessa?
17:42 Obiewan1111 In the screenshot?
17:42 VanessaE Obiewan1111: HDX, 256px
17:42 thexyz sokomine: that's another glitch related to minetest not freeing all memory
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17:43 PilzAdam sokomine, but this graphical glitch is caused by the nodebox; nothing else
17:43 sokomine mika: pretty normal these days, unfortionately :-( just log in again
17:43 VanessaE PilzAdam: maybe the glitch only happens on horizontal tiling then
17:43 PilzAdam VanessaE, if I show you that its not working, you cant counter that; thats logic
17:43 VanessaE PilzAdam: LOOK AT MY SCREENSHOT damn it
17:43 rubenwardy almost logged off my computer to reboot in ubuntu, then I remembered I had not yet done what I logged in to do
17:43 rubenwardy lol
17:43 sokomine pilzadam: check if it really applies to all sides or if there is another error. it definitely does work sometimes
17:43 Mika_R sokomine, got it fixed that way, but wondering how all these errors and problems all pop up now
17:43 PilzAdam yea, as I said above: i dont recommend to use it because it has definetly glitches
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17:44 VanessaE so figure out a pattern to the glitches and avoid those patterns?
17:45 VanessaE the fridge in the screenshot is tiled vertically, your screenshot is horizontal - try it vertically and see what happens
17:45 sokomine mika: maybe connected to the new player attachment system. but that gave us 3d-players and carts :-) the bugs are less worse than those irritating 2d-players for me
17:46 PilzAdam VanessaE, are the textures resized? or are they just put on the nodebox if they are too big
17:46 VanessaE they are just put on straight.
17:46 VanessaE no resizing.
17:46 sokomine vanessa: that might be true. the fridge certainly works well and has a good, working texture. plus it goes up...not sideways. so trouble with the collision box not beeing large enough or working just from one side does not happen
17:46 VanessaE they are tiled (or supposed to be) in all directions to cover the whole nodebox
17:48 PilzAdam VanessaE, and again wrong: the textures are first resized at the size of a node and the repeated to match the nodebox
17:48 thexyz VanessaE: if you want to avoid that glitch, don't make nodebox bigger than node
17:49 thexyz what's the point of doing that, anyway?
17:49 PilzAdam try putting a 32x16 texture on an vertical two-node-nodebox
17:49 sokomine thexyz: doing objects that are larger than one node. e.g. the fridge
17:49 thexyz that should be done with multiple nodes
17:49 sokomine it might work less well with e.g. a bathtub
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17:50 sokomine hmmm. i'd actually prefer doors to be one larger nodebox. it is strange when they flip open visibly as two parts
17:50 NekoGloop Do what adam did for his bigass pumpkin.
17:50 thexyz sokomine: but that's evil
17:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: that's what I meant.
17:50 jin_xi sokomine: me to
17:50 jin_xi +0
17:50 VanessaE texture is sized to the node, sorry I guess I wasn't clear
17:50 jin_xi p
17:50 thexyz that's the most important difference between xdoors and xdoors2
17:50 jin_xi oh fuck it
17:51 sokomine thexyz: :-( but it is more pracital in some situations :)
17:51 thexyz for example..?
17:51 VanessaE how else would I create a single object with one inventory, that's two nodes tall?
17:52 thexyz VanessaE: detached inventory
17:52 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4299 < opinions? :D
17:52 moltenbot Calinou's link: [Map] Some kind of tutorial map (Page 1) - Maps - Minetest Forums
17:52 sokomine mostly furniture things. right now i plan to do a teleporter and would like to take that one as much space as the player needs to make sure that there is enough space for incoming players. plus it would look better
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17:52 VanessaE well all I know is, it works fine for me and everyone else who's used the homedecor mod.
17:53 thexyz well, then you'll have to manually check all node placements to make sure no intersections with other nodes occur
17:53 VanessaE so your argument is invalid until you try it exactly the way I did.
17:53 john_minetest Calinou: I will try it now.
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17:54 sokomine anyone constructing such overly large nodes has to make sure that the replaced parts are air, yes. but that ought to be enough?
17:54 thexyz VanessaE: no, u
17:54 thexyz Nodes are the bulk data of the world: cubes and other things that take the
17:54 thexyz space of a cube.
17:54 thexyz (cube = 1x1x1)
17:54 sokomine hm, yes. from a programmers point of view it may be really evil :-/ from a players point of view it is great :-)
17:55 Calinou from an hard disk's view, it is the same :>
17:55 Calinou thexyz: not all nodes are 1x1x1... nodeboxes :P
17:55 thexyz um?
17:56 sokomine well, smaller than a node might not be a problem at all :-)
17:56 thexyz they don't have to be cubes, they have to take space of single cube
17:56 NakedFury they all take that space in the game because you cant place 2 smaller nodeboxes in the same place
17:56 thexyz as API doc says
17:59 sokomine there had been some situations where i wished for two nodeboxes in the same space. my houses have a smaller magnification factor than most other houses compared to real ones. but too many nodes make the game load slow - and i can't see most of the normal stair+-stars anyway :-(
18:00 sokomine but how about the doors? they might work as enlarged nodeboxes. it might just be that they are less efficient at closing off a space at the upper part
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18:02 Calinou the countdown is over on ubuntu.com, site is overloaded
18:02 Calinou \o/
18:02 Calinou tablets ftw
18:04 VanessaE PilzAdam: well?  did you try tiling in other directions?
18:04 Obiewan1111 is this good or bad Calinou?
18:05 Calinou heh, I don't care anyway
18:05 Calinou it's not like I use tablets
18:05 Calinou because the whole countdown thing is about unity on tablets IIRC
18:05 Obiewan1111 Ubuntu for android looks pretty neat.
18:06 PilzAdam VanessaE, I dont need to test it anymore because I already proofed that there are glitches
18:06 VanessaE PilzAdam: you proved that there are glitches only along one axis and one face - didn't you see that the top face, X axis was okay?
18:06 VanessaE (in your screenshot)
18:07 VanessaE if you're gonna be anal about whitespace at the end of a line of code, I'm gonna be anal about your generic claims of "glitches" without adequate testing.
18:08 VanessaE (well, X axis as I saw it in the screenshot, not sure which actual in-game axis that was)
18:09 * Calinou updated his signature accordingly
18:09 Calinou someone said that on #ubuntu
18:11 Mika_R Sokomine,VanessaE: 30401 is up
18:12 VanessaE cool
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18:15 thexyz >Ubuntu now fits your phone
18:15 thexyz huh, where can I download it for my GNex?
18:17 marktraceur thexyz: You can buy all Ubuntu-compatible phones at your local Apple Store :P
18:18 sokomine does it work for android phones as well?
18:18 TwilightSparklee wut
18:18 TwilightSparklee thexyz: Ubuntu for Nexus 7
18:19 sokomine mine has not enough ram for anything useful i'm afraid :-(
18:20 sokomine those phones ought to be able to accept more ram :-)
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18:31 jordach hey all
18:32 VanessaE bbl, hi Jordach.
18:32 PilzAdam hi jordach
18:32 VanessaE time to go pay some bills
18:32 * jordach isnt at home again
18:32 jordach VanessaE: place it on the duck!
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18:32 jordach heya Jeija
18:33 Jeija hi
18:36 jordach Jeija: how much further have you got on with your particles?
18:36 sfan5 particles?
18:38 PilzAdam Jeija's particles are simply awesome!
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18:38 jordach RealBadAngel: how did you find the water / lava can bug in technic
18:40 Calinou marktraceur: since when apple's bootloader is unlockable
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18:41 Jeija http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB_wJbUaiJU that's what I got with particles
18:41 moltenbot Jeija's link: Particles for minetest - 4th version - YouTube
18:41 jordach \o/
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18:41 TB|Vibe-X hi guys / girls
18:42 jordach hey TB|Vibe-X
18:42 jordach hows the server (is it even working)??
18:42 TB|Vibe-X mine?
18:42 jordach mhm.
18:43 TB|Vibe-X im working on it. i registred minetest.de yesterday :D
18:43 TB|Vibe-X before any other will ;)
18:43 TB|Vibe-X does someone know, if i can build a deb package / ubuntu package from source (git) ?
18:43 jordach <minetest.de> Herzlich Willkommen auf Ihrer Website!
18:43 jordach fix me.
18:43 TB|Vibe-X yeah im at work :D
18:43 sokomine (we might eventually switch this channel to german :))
18:44 TB|Vibe-X are more germans here? :D
18:44 PilzAdam +1
18:44 TB|Vibe-X auf zur blitzübernahme :D
18:44 jordach no.
18:44 jordach hell no.
18:44 sokomine yes. a whole bunch of them :-) feels sometimes like half of us are german
18:44 PilzAdam Ha, jordach ist aus GB
18:44 sokomine ,-)
18:44 TB|Vibe-X and pilz from german?
18:45 sokomine ich auch...
18:45 jordach PilzAdam: MUSHROOMS!
18:45 TB|Vibe-X this would explain, why Pilz :D i was thinking about, why he is called like german "mushroom " :D
18:45 bas080 no
18:45 bas080 -1
18:45 PilzAdam TB|Vibe-X, hast du schonmal meine forum signatur gesehen?
18:45 TB|Vibe-X dam you're faster :D
18:45 TB|Vibe-X nein kam ich leider nicht zu. ich hab es bislang nur mal überflogen und deine scripts gesehen *.* bin richtig begeistert
18:45 PilzAdam http://minetest.net/forum/profile.php?id=2443
18:45 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: PilzAdam's profile - Minetest Forums
18:46 marktraceur Calinou: It was a stab at Ubuntu's approach to Apple status.
18:46 PilzAdam "Do not call me Pilz; Call me PilzAdam or Adam."
18:46 bas080 Hey PilzAdam, why rewrite bones?
18:46 john_minetest Auch Deutsch.
18:46 sokomine ich hab das nicht ganz ernst gemeint mit dem "wir koennten uns auch auf deutsch unterhalten". englisch sprechen alle...
18:46 bas080 Ik houd van een pilsje
18:46 PilzAdam bas080, you made the original one?
18:46 bas080 no...
18:46 TB|Vibe-X i know sokomine  ;)
18:46 Calinou marktraceur: wait until 2014... ubuntu stores... there will be one in isle of man :)
18:46 jojoa1997 can anyone help me with this mod https://github.com/jojoa1997/peaceful_npc
18:46 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: jojoa1997/peaceful_npc ? GitHub
18:46 PilzAdam bas080, because the original code was a real mess
18:46 jordach a) this channel is for all english users
18:47 john_minetest "altijd de laagste priis" or similar... lol, the only dutch sentence i know.
18:47 PilzAdam jordach, chill, we will change back to english
18:47 sokomine what about the peaceful npc?
18:47 bas080 PilzAdam, compared to what?
18:47 jojoa1997 i need to make them die in water'
18:47 * jordach noticed that english is the only accepted language in the freenode usage rules
18:48 sokomine poor npc :-) why?
18:48 sokomine if they are peaceful they might peacefully bath in water....
18:48 jojoa1997 have you seen the underwater caves
18:48 jordach cant they SWIM
18:48 bas080 Everyone has his own style of coding... Some people use more lines   i guess.. Is that wrong?
18:48 jojoa1997 or i can make them die after 2 minutes
18:48 jordach you know; hold space...
18:48 sokomine no. i usually prefer on ground
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18:48 jojoa1997 i need to limit how many there are
18:48 PilzAdam ummm... https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/384 ... GitHub is somehow strange...
18:49 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: added TOCLIENT_SHOW_FORMSPEC in order to display formspec on client from... by sapier ? Pull Request #384 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
18:49 Kacey hello
18:49 sokomine hm. iirc pilzadams simple_mobs die if they get in contact with water?
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18:49 jojoa1997 so it is either die in water or die after 2 minutes
18:49 jordach PilzAdam: was sapier given access?
18:49 PilzAdam sokomine, yep
18:49 PilzAdam jordach, no... ?
18:49 sokomine well, then have a look at those, jojoa
18:49 sokomine or teach them swimming :)
18:50 TB|Vibe-X does someone know, if i can build a deb package / ubuntu package from source or is there any tut?
18:50 jordach then how could it have been merged
18:50 sokomine might be fun as well
18:50 jordach Calinou: just solve his problem
18:50 jojoa1997 do you know how to make them die after 2 minutes
18:50 thexyz jordach: it wasn't merged
18:50 thexyz see, 0 commits
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18:50 jojoa1997 that is prefered
18:50 sokomine vibe: i'm sure there is. i usually don't bother except for the kernel. best way ought to ask google?
18:51 jordach hey NekoGloop
18:51 Calinou TB|Vibe-X: use my one-line script http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3837
18:51 moltenbot Calinou's link: One-line script: installing/compiling Minetest git, Debian/Ubuntu/Mint (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
18:51 NekoGloop Ok, well the esper #minecraft's topic is interesting.
18:52 sokomine jojo: you could make them remember when they where "born" and save that timestamp. whenever they do anything (i.e. change direction) you might check the current time against this timestamp and let them die. there are other mechanisms as well
18:52 jojoa1997 ?
18:52 jojoa1997 sorry  dont understand bbs
18:52 TB|Vibe-X Calinou, building the bins from source is not the problem
18:52 TB|Vibe-X but i wanted clean packages :) so i will have a look
18:53 TB|Vibe-X i get the "failed to merge player" only on debian squeeze -.- on ubuntu 12.04 (Virtual machine) all run fine
18:53 TB|Vibe-X and i am able to join :D so i will change to ubuntu tonight
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18:53 jordach why, people connecting to your server will be probably be using 0.4.4
18:54 sokomine on debian it runs fine as well. maybe you're missing packages. it can be difficult to locate the necessary ones. i had to search a lot as well :-( but i don't remember which ones where required
18:54 TB|Vibe-X there are no dependencies errors while compiling
18:54 sokomine ok
18:54 TB|Vibe-X its just the "failed to merge player" error, no idea why
18:54 TB|Vibe-X with the same commands i compile from source like on debian
18:54 TB|Vibe-X but on ubuntu it run fine
18:55 jordach strange
18:55 TB|Vibe-X you can just see the error, while you connect on server
18:55 TB|Vibe-X maybe old libs on my server or something strange :/
18:55 jordach works for me on xubuntu, mint12, ubuntu..
18:55 TB|Vibe-X ubuntu runs find for me too
18:55 TB|Vibe-X just squeeze makes this strange error
18:55 jordach :O
18:55 sapier ubuntu is a pain in the ass if you do use multiple monitors
18:56 TB|Vibe-X not really o.O
18:56 * jordach loves being 1280x1024
18:56 sapier not talking about 2
18:56 TB|Vibe-X we work in our company (provider) with buuntu only
18:56 TB|Vibe-X servers, routers, virtualization, and clients
18:56 TB|Vibe-X webserver and so on :D all work fine
18:56 sapier as of 12.10 I couldn't even play minetes because of ubuntu wasn't able to handle mouse correctly
18:57 TB|Vibe-X 12.10 is shit :D
18:57 TB|Vibe-X the best was 10.04 LTS with gnome
18:57 TB|Vibe-X 12.04 is okay so far, but 12.10 :-!
18:57 TB|Vibe-X no way
18:57 sapier I've ben using ubuntu for years but starting with unity integration ubuntu started to degrade
18:58 TB|Vibe-X yeah, i was thinking about changing my laptop to fedora
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18:58 sapier and 12.10 drove me to switching distri
18:58 TB|Vibe-X but im unsure at the moment :/
18:58 TB|Vibe-X to?
18:58 sapier debian
18:58 sapier a little bit oldfashioned but stable
18:59 sokomine i'm still just using icewm and not kde, gnome, unity or anything like that (though there might be libs installed for the first two). never saw much point in a gui except starting programs
18:59 Minetest-tan AttributeError: object has no attribute 'href' (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/feedparser-5.1.2-py2.6.egg/feedparser.py", line 424, in __getattr__)
19:00 thexyz fuck
19:00 thexyz sfan5:
19:01 sokomine sapier: did you get further with the duck?
19:01 jordach ehm, who activated the bot
19:01 jordach oh right
19:01 jordach c55 commited something
19:02 sapier @sokomine no I managed to get formspec support to core :-)
19:02 sokomine oh :-) that sounds good!
19:02 sokomine what exactly can it do now? can it be called from a function in lua? i started doing something there but didn't get far yet
19:04 sfan5 thexyz: ...
19:04 thexyz it seems it's time for another windows build
19:04 Minetest-tan GIT: celeron55 (Perttu Ahola) commited to celeron55/minetest: Call this 0.4.4-d1 because it has a protocol addition since 0.4.4 b7de864f2e 2013-01-02T11:03:47-08:00
19:05 thexyz sure
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19:05 sokomine what does the new commit do?
19:05 thexyz which one?
19:05 thexyz https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master
19:05 moltenbot thexyz's link: Commit History ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
19:06 sokomine the one you're talking about :-)
19:06 thexyz hm.. i wasn't talking about any commit in particular
19:06 sokomine and i'm especially intrested in sapiers formspec improvements
19:06 thexyz yes, that one just got merged
19:06 thexyz sokomine: what's your OS, btw?
19:07 sokomine debian
19:11 sokomine ah yes. one of the main reasons i wanted better formspecs is for npc. especially the peaceful npc. the animals don't really need it (there isn't much point in talking to them or trading :-))
19:16 OldCoder Back
19:17 sapier its MOBF :-) ... not only animals ;-)
19:17 Kacey wb OC
19:17 OldCoder ty
19:17 Kacey yw'
19:17 * OldCoder puts up a "Kittens Seek Homes" sign again
19:17 * Kacey reads the sign
19:18 Kacey hehe food
19:18 * sokomine grabs one of the kittens (better take it than having one put on ones hair :-))
19:19 * Kacey grabs the rest and runs off
19:19 sapier in 1.9.8 mobf a trader npc is included ;-)
19:19 Kacey sweet
19:20 sapier it's not spawning atm :-)
19:20 sokomine ohhh! yes! a trader-npc is good :-) that is what i wanted (plus the ability to "talk" to the npc)
19:20 sapier at least not automaticaly
19:21 sokomine is it an animated model or a nodebox-npc?
19:21 iqualfragile sapier: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...mods/minetest/animals_modpack/mobf_settings/init.lua:426: attempt to concatenate global 'playername' (a nil value)
19:23 iqualfragile since your newest update
19:23 sapier yes mobf_settings was completely rewritten ... i should update my inventory_plus version
19:25 iqualfragile so for now: mv mobf_settings .mobf_settings ?
19:26 Kacey afk
19:26 Kacey bbl
19:26 sapier I've pushed a fix
19:27 iqualfragile great
19:28 sapier those lines got inverted using player name prior fetching it won't work
19:28 thexyz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4240
19:28 moltenbot thexyz's link: xyz's Minetest win32 builds (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
19:29 Exio git build?
19:30 TB|Vibe-X i saw, that the last commit for minetest changed "Protokoll number" does this change something between latest stable client and newest commited server?
19:30 PilzAdam TB|Vibe-X, the client only gets a warning message if a mod calls show_formspec()
19:31 TB|Vibe-X ah okay
19:37 thexyz Exio: yes
19:38 Exio i saw, nice
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20:13 sokomine oh, hi redcrab :-)
20:13 * sokomine tries to sell redcrab a bunch of mods for his server :)
20:14 * marktraceur undercuts any price sokomine offers redcrab
20:14 marktraceur I'm practically GIVING these mods away!
20:14 marktraceur Oh wait, I am!
20:15 sokomine :-)
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20:16 sokomine please don't missunderstand. what that is intended to say is that redcrab ought to install some more mods that would be very useful on his server :) "selling" as in convincing him to take them :)
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20:19 sokomine regarding the jungletrees: those 4-nodes-thick ones have 4 further nodes stretching out at the bottom which looks a bit like roots. can that be done with treegen as well? would be nice
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20:35 marktraceur sokomine: I totally understand, not to worry
20:44 mauvebic pipeworks-wip/plantlib/aero 1st version: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2323
20:44 moltenbot mauvebic's link: [modpack] Aeroponics [010213][alt-pipeworks-wip][plantlib][aero] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
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21:02 Dopium minetest.org what a bunch of wanker admins
21:06 thexyz Dopium: wut?
21:08 Dopium they said i griefed but never had and never will i build epic stuff not destroy it, sorry im abit pissed about it
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21:20 Obiewan1111 Can someone explain to me about the licensing bit when releasing a map?
21:21 Obiewan1111 And how do you destroy panes from Jordach's panes mod.
21:21 Obiewan1111 ?*
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21:31 Dopium i cant talk in game he revoked my privs
21:32 Dopium im so pissed i never touched nothing
21:33 Muadtralk which server?
21:33 Muadtralk Dopium
21:33 Obiewan1111 Dopium; What server is this?
21:38 PilzAdam minetest.net seems to be down
21:38 PilzAdam does anybody else have troubles to load the page?
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21:38 john_minetest Dopium: He said that you griefed everything
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21:39 thexyz PilzAdam: yes, it's down
21:40 john_minetest PilzAdam: Yeah. down.
21:41 Muadtralk wait
21:41 Muadtralk i was just on!
21:41 Muadtralk checking
21:41 thexyz I probably should add minetest.net uptime to servers.minetest.ru
21:41 thexyz that'd be fun
21:42 john_minetest yeah.
21:42 * marktraceur is ashamed of the new LPGC uptime stats
21:42 thexyz hah
21:43 thexyz well, I'm too lazy to make it only count last month
21:43 john_minetest [0.4.4] Zegaton, your friendly serverminetest.org:30015up91.676%
21:43 john_minetest yay!
21:43 marktraceur I was away from my desktop for four days, and five minutes into that period, BAM, server crash
21:44 john_minetest Zegaton is hosted by OldCoder. 91,676% uptime.
21:45 Obiewan1111 Guys.. Imagine this scenario.. Please.
21:46 Obiewan1111 Say I make a really big map, seriously big, infact and upload it, if I put liscence: WTTPL (Or whatever that is), is it completely legit?
21:46 Obiewan1111 What does the licence even mean?
21:46 marktraceur Obiewan1111: How do you want people to be able to use the map?
21:47 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Do you want them to re-release different copies of it, with modifications?
21:47 jeffrash john_minetest, you around?
21:48 john_minetest jeffrash: yes
21:48 john_minetest thexyz: are you maintaining servers.minetest.ru?
21:48 jeffrash Just thinking about something for Zeg9's world or any other I guess
21:48 thexyz john_minetest: yep
21:48 thexyz and the whole minetest.ru
21:48 thexyz and dev.minetest.net too
21:48 jeffrash not sure if it's been done before but what about a public power planet
21:49 PilzAdam btw: dev.minetest.net isnt down
21:49 thexyz of course it isn't
21:49 thexyz because it's hosted on same server as minetest.ru
21:49 thexyz not on minetest.net
21:49 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Do you only want them to be able to read (or explore) it? Or should they be allowed to release their own versions of it with changes?
21:49 john_minetest thexyz: Can you please insert "minetest.web1337.net" as Zegaton's Website?
21:50 jeffrash john_minetest, I just created a array of 30 waterwills
21:50 thexyz john_minetest: sure
21:50 john_minetest jeffrash: I will come online.
21:50 thexyz oh, forums are up again
21:50 john_minetest thexyz: thanks :)
21:50 jeffrash I did it on my server
21:50 PilzAdam minetest.net is up again
21:50 jeffrash not setup for you to connect there
21:50 john_minetest jeffrash: PM
21:51 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Talk in here, please. This could be useful to others.
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21:51 Obiewan1111 I want them to able to explore my map, but not release versions of it with changes..
21:52 thexyz then -ND is your friend
21:52 thexyz (aww, you're so evil)
21:52 thexyz why don't you want them to release own versions?
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21:52 Obiewan1111 You'll see when I finally upload it.
21:53 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Is there a reason you want to prevent distribution of derivatives?
21:53 thexyz saying that you are the author of the original one
21:53 Obiewan1111 Erm..
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21:54 Obiewan1111 Well, It's going to be a huge map.
21:54 Obiewan1111 And I'm going to video myself editing it.
21:54 Obiewan1111 And making it.
21:54 marktraceur Obiewan1111: All the more opportunity for someone to change parts and re-release--why not let someone do that if they want?
21:55 Obiewan1111 You know what. Ok. :D
21:55 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Do you want to allow resale of the work or its derivatives?
21:56 Obiewan1111 Sorry, what? Simplified version please.
21:57 RealBadAngel youre talkin bout a licence on a map?
21:57 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Do you want someone to be able to sell a copy of the map? The classic example is someone selling CDs with a work on it to cover the costs of CD burning and transportation.
21:57 thexyz -NC is evil too
21:57 thexyz don't be evil
21:57 marktraceur thexyz: I agree, but I'm not about to mislead Obiewan1111 just because he may have different ideas
21:57 PilzAdam Obiewan1111, cc-by-sa <- here you go
21:57 Obiewan1111 No, I don't want them to sell my work, but they can re-release it with certain tweaks.
21:58 OldCoder Hi
21:58 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Can I ask why you don't want someone to resell the map?
21:58 thexyz why don't you want them to sell your work?
21:58 thexyz oh
21:58 OldCoder NEWS Mark Twain world reverted to fix griefing
21:58 thexyz i'm late
21:58 OldCoder Come back in
21:58 Obiewan1111 Because they earn money...
21:58 thexyz so..?
21:58 Obiewan1111 Unless they give it me, no.
21:59 marktraceur Obiewan1111: Why is it bad for someone to earn money?
21:59 PilzAdam Obiewan1111, if you add share alike then people who sell this have to say the customers: "There is also a free version of this"
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21:59 PilzAdam *free as in free beer
21:59 Obiewan1111 It's like being the Phone manufacturer "Apple", they steal ideas and get paid the most money throughout all the Phone manufacturing companies.
21:59 marktraceur PilzAdam: Not really, no
22:00 PilzAdam marktraceur, its a bit simplified
22:00 marktraceur PilzAdam: You could sell a GPL'd software and not tell people about the no-cost version
22:00 RealBadAngel hmmmm. who is actually selling and buying minetest maps?
22:00 Obiewan1111 That's a good point!
22:00 PilzAdam marktraceur, dont we talk about cc?
22:00 thexyz what's the problem with someone selling this? people can still obtain your "free" version instead of buying another one
22:00 marktraceur RealBadAngel: Nobody, but we're trying to determine the licensing intent of someone who hasn't dealt with licenses beforre
22:00 Obiewan1111 Right, so what licence?
22:01 thexyz RealBadAngel: i don't think hmmmm knows
22:01 RealBadAngel wtf pl
22:01 thexyz so don't cast him here
22:01 PilzAdam Obiewan1111, cc-by-sa <- here you go
22:01 RealBadAngel lol
22:01 marktraceur Obiewan1111: It sounds like CC-BY-SA would work fine. But I haven't asked all the questions I'd like.
22:01 RealBadAngel or wtflpl + donut
22:02 marktraceur Obiewan1111: The two remaining ones are, "Do you want people to release later versions under non-free licenses?" and "Do you want people to attribute the work to you?"
22:02 RealBadAngel do what the f... but send me a donut
22:02 Obiewan1111 Erm..
22:02 PilzAdam Obiewan1111, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
22:02 thexyz Obiewan1111: better release it under CC-BY-SA before getting buried with all marktraceur's questions
22:02 Obiewan1111 I chose CC-BY-SA!
22:02 Obiewan1111 Thank you..
22:03 PilzAdam never talk with marktraceur about license
22:03 thexyz np
22:03 PilzAdam ;_)
22:03 PilzAdam *;-)
22:03 thexyz PilzAdam: are you going to merge your changes?
22:03 PilzAdam if its ok to you
22:03 marktraceur PilzAdam: I happen to think I'm a good resource in that regard--I know enough about the process to ask the right questions to arrive at a competent answer
22:03 thexyz PilzAdam: seems it works
22:03 marktraceur PilzAdam: As opposed to simply saying "Meh, CCBYSA"
22:04 Obiewan1111 I have to agree there.
22:04 PilzAdam marktraceur, you maybe ask a bit too much for newbies
22:04 Obiewan1111 And I have to agree there..
22:04 PilzAdam when I first had to deal with licenses I was really happy when i found WTFPL
22:04 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, sorry for the tab, will remove it with next pathc
22:05 PilzAdam thexyz, i count this as a "yes"
22:05 thexyz yep, yep
22:05 marktraceur PilzAdam: Newbies need the most questions, else they might be misinformed. If someone else had answered, Obiewan1111 might wind up licensing it under CC-BY-ND-NC or something equally insane. Or CC0.
22:05 marktraceur PilzAdam: Or GFDL. As much as I love the idea of GNU, the FDL is kind of unnecessary.
22:05 sapier I like CC-BY-NC-SA for example ;-)
22:06 NekoGloop CC-BY-ND-NC is only fair to the developer.
22:06 sapier nd for non disclosure?
22:06 thexyz NekoGloop: typical windows user?
22:06 sapier no non distiburable
22:06 marktraceur NekoGloop: I suspect both opponents and proponents of the license would say the same thing, though with different emphasis :)
22:07 marktraceur sapier: No derivatives
22:07 thexyz NekoGloop: you forgot about No-Download
22:07 thexyz oh, wait, it's here
22:07 NekoGloop thexyz: No, the person who doesnt want his work thrown all over.
22:07 thexyz NekoGloop: no, you don't like freedom
22:08 thexyz as a typical non-free software user
22:08 NekoGloop freedom == anyone can steal your work and you cant do anything about it.
22:08 marktraceur Children children, simmer down
22:08 thexyz freedom is freedom
22:08 sapier freedom and freedom most times are different things ;-)
22:08 marktraceur Everyone has made their stances more than clear, we don't need to rehash it
22:08 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest: Change the nodenames for dirt -> grass and sapling -> tree abms to match the mapgen aliases 5a13c49492 2013-01-02T14:06:31-08:00
22:09 thexyz NekoGloop: minetest is free, go on, steal it
22:09 RealBadAngel you write for the community, and using what community does
22:09 marktraceur If Obie had held up under my questions about why he wanted to make his map non-free, I would have recommended ND or NC. Worry not.
22:09 PilzAdam hm, the bot only gets the latest commit if 2 commits at the same time are pushed
22:09 thexyz PilzAdam: yes, it only gets latest RSS entry
22:09 thexyz *she
22:09 marktraceur thexyz: Maybe use a timeout and dequeue one entry at a time?
22:09 NekoGloop "she"?
22:10 thexyz of course Minetest-tan is "she"
22:10 iqualfragile moltenbot is an "it"
22:10 thexyz she has feelings, like http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-01-02#i_2775340
22:10 PilzAdam thexyz, maybe you cant tweak Jeija death camera effect a bit and add it too
22:11 thexyz PilzAdam: maybe
22:11 thexyz marktraceur: better ask sfan5|OFF
22:11 thexyz as he is the one who does the code
22:11 NekoGloop ...
22:11 marktraceur Well, he has a ping now
22:11 NekoGloop That is called an error message.
22:12 thexyz NekoGloop: no way
22:12 thexyz she felt bad, that's why she posted that message
22:12 NekoGloop Not feelings
22:13 marktraceur sfan5|OFF: In summary, it might be good to limit the commit messages to once per X seconds (maybe 10? maybe 60?) and queue up a few in a row if there are multiple new entries in a feed
22:13 sdzen NekoGloop It wants to be human
22:13 sdzen just let it
22:13 sdzen if it trys to revolt
22:13 sdzen kill it
22:13 marktraceur sfan5|OFF: Depending on the language I could help
22:13 NekoGloop Which one, the bot or thexyz.
22:13 sdzen the bot
22:13 sdzen although sometimes I suspect thexyz isn't a human being
22:13 sdzen but a complex program
22:14 * marktraceur wouldn't enjoy it if sdzen killed thexyz
22:14 thexyz sdzen: why?
22:14 thexyz is my english that bad?
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22:14 marktraceur thexyz: Your English is fine
22:15 PilzAdam thexyz, you would pass the turing test compared to Minetest-tan
22:15 iqualfragile sdzen: no, thexyz is just a russian, OldCoder is a bot wich passes the turing test
22:15 PilzAdam thats true
22:16 thexyz I wouldn't pass reCaptcha
22:16 iqualfragile thexyz: nobody would
22:17 sdzen PilzAdam
22:17 sdzen why did you make fire buildable to?
22:17 sdzen thats absurd!
22:17 PilzAdam because fire _is_ buildable to
22:17 iqualfragile exactly
22:17 PilzAdam its just a bit of gas
22:19 sdzen can you build on gas?
22:19 sdzen can you place something on top of it?
22:19 sdzen IRL
22:20 sokomine depends how dense it is
22:20 sdzen okay let me rephrase can you put something on top of fire irl
22:20 thexyz real world doesn't consist of 1x1x1 m blocks
22:20 sdzen true but....
22:20 PilzAdam sdzen, yes, I can put some sand on flames IRL
22:20 RealBadAngel no
22:20 sdzen do they float above the flames?
22:21 sdzen no they dont
22:21 thexyz sdzen: read what "buildable_to" is
22:21 thexyz buildable_to = false, -- If true, placed nodes can replace this node
22:21 RealBadAngel you can throw the sand in general direction of it
22:21 PilzAdam s/on/in
22:21 sdzen ahhhh
22:21 sdzen sorry about that
22:21 sdzen buildable to wasnt quite clear with me :P
22:22 PilzAdam anyone knows if "CasimirKaPazi" is here?
22:22 sdzen this is what happens when I have too much caffiene
22:22 PilzAdam (thats a GitHub nick)
22:23 sdzen sorry for the trouble
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22:24 john_minetest So if you have got buildable_to snow, you can build a block where the snow layer is and the snow will be replaced??
22:24 hmmmm selling and buying minetest maps...?
22:24 hmmmm you've got to be joking
22:25 thexyz why not? c55 did that
22:25 hmmmm how is minetest worth money to anybody
22:25 us_0gb Yes, that's what buildable_to is.
22:25 hmmmm are you serious
22:25 thexyz http://minetest.net/buy.php
22:25 moltenbot thexyz's link: Minetest
22:25 thexyz that was more like a joke though
22:25 iqualfragile thexyz: yes, but only because it seemd illegal to collect donations
22:25 hmmmm oh yeah
22:25 hmmmm that's different
22:25 thexyz still
22:25 sokomine why ought that to be illegal?
22:26 iqualfragile pff… ask celeron55
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22:26 jin_xi INVALINE DOKCS
22:26 iqualfragile bnd? i have never seen a bnd or rsiska: good evening, nice to meet you
22:26 sokomine strange. but there are strange laws out there...in all countries
22:26 marktraceur hmmmm: I asked about buying and selling because it's one aspect of the licensing process, not because it's a probable occurrence.
22:27 hmmmm i see
22:29 sokomine what would be nice though would be a large empty map prepared with dirt (topped with dirt_with_grass) and nothing else on it that could act as a starting point for building buildings for people with slower computers. generating the landscape and then getting rid of it both consumes time
22:29 us_0gb True.
22:30 sokomine can't someone with a fast computer do such a map and put it in the forum? :-)
22:31 VanessaE hi all.
22:31 sokomine i even tried to change just those nodes around point 0,0,0 and afterwards duplicate them in the database, but that didn't work that well
22:31 us_0gb Hello!
22:33 marktraceur sokomine: It would probably be simple-ish to create a map programmatically
22:34 PilzAdam just wait for mapgen_v7
22:35 hmmmm sokomine, you can already do that with a mod if you'd really like to
22:35 hmmmm but with version 7 of the mapgen, making a totally flat map is trivial
22:35 * sokomine hopes for mapgen v7 then
22:35 hmmmm you just define a single biome with the land type 'flat'
22:36 sokomine the trouble with the mod is that it's awfully slow :-(
22:36 hmmmm mmm..
22:36 hmmmm welp
22:36 hmmmm i am putting the finishing touches on my stuff
22:36 hmmmm i need to stop being distracted and just work on it
22:36 hmmmm it'll be done soon though i promise
22:37 sokomine sorry. please continue
22:37 PilzAdam sokomine, jordan4ibanez made a mod that is quite fast because it adds only 2 or 3 layers and the rest is air
22:37 sokomine hope it motivates you to hear that it will be appreciated :-)
22:37 sokomine hm. sounds better. but iirc even the one that didn't add anything was somehow slow. do you remember the name of the mod?
22:39 PilzAdam sokomine, it was in a modpack or a game but i dunno the name
22:40 iqualfragile PilzAdam: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=61161#p61161
22:40 moltenbot Masters link: [Mod] Reworked signs from xyz [signs] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
22:40 kaeza k I'm back
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22:41 PilzAdam iqualfragile, I do read the forums, you dont have to point me to that
22:42 PilzAdam and I also know it would be great to have this
22:42 iqualfragile PilzAdam: just wanted to express that i share theirs oppinion
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22:54 kaeza OldCoder: PM whenever you have the time
22:54 VanessaE zzz
22:55 * kaeza puts a water source above VanessaE's head
22:55 * VanessaE steps aside
22:55 VanessaE (server lag gave me enough time ;) )
22:55 kaeza *the entire channel is flooded*
22:55 * Uberi puts an air above kaeza's head
22:56 kaeza hey V! sleepy already?
22:56 VanessaE bored
22:57 * marktraceur has a stockpile of 3000 air
22:57 marktraceur Eventually, when the world is all mined out, it will be a valuable resource
22:58 Uberi don't want to run out of air now
22:58 * kaeza places a CONTENT_IGNORE above Uberi's and marktraceur's heads.
22:58 * marktraceur gasps for breath
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22:58 Uberi :O
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23:06 us_0gb If I had known how to gather air, I would have stockpiles some before the glitch was removed.
23:06 us_0gb *stockpiled
23:06 Uberi us_0gb: and /giveme air seems to be off limits too :(
23:06 us_0gb Really? Nice.
23:07 * us_0gb runs off to test
23:08 VanessaE nothin' says you can't just fetch from the commit where the bug was most evident ;)
23:08 us_0gb Also, I don't have /give on the server that I want air on.
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23:09 us_0gb I just tried "/giveme air". It does still work.
23:10 marktraceur Awesome!
23:10 marktraceur I mean, stupid. But also awesome.
23:10 us_0gb "/giveme ignore" also works.
23:11 Uberi huh
23:11 marktraceur us_0gb: That's weird
23:11 us_0gb I think when I tried "/giveme unknown", it failed though, even though that IS a regestered node.
23:11 us_0gb Or maybe it worked. I forget.
23:12 marktraceur us_0gb: Maybe it's supposed to be default:unknown ?
23:12 us_0gb No. The code registers ":unknown".
23:12 Uberi try __builtin:unknown
23:12 Uberi ah
23:12 Uberi well probably won't work
23:12 Uberi I tried /giveme : to get the player hand and it failed
23:13 us_0gb Nive. But you have to remove the preceding colen.
23:13 us_0gb But that would be an empty string
23:13 us_0gb "/giveme :air" does not work.
23:14 john_minetest gtg. bye!
23:14 us_0gb Bye!
23:14 Uberi bye
23:14 us_0gb How do you change your name like that?
23:15 kaeza us_0gb: /nick Your New Nick
23:15 us_0gb Okay, thanks.
23:16 us_0gb I've got company. Bye!
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23:29 * OldCoder will return later
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23:40 PilzAdam bye
23:46 VanessaE mauvebic: are you awake?
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23:55 BackupCoder hi
23:55 Uberi o/
23:55 sapier backup? :-)
23:56 BackupCoder ve howdy is world up to date uberi how are u
23:56 VanessaE Coder: cool :-)
23:56 Uberi bit sad how the world ended on december 21st
23:57 Uberi oh wait, no it didn't :P
23:58 marktraceur Does anyone have really vehement opinions on vendor/currency mods?
23:58 VanessaE I don't care much for such mods to be honest
23:58 Uberi yes
23:58 Uberi well not really
23:58 Uberi I prefer to trade actual items instead
23:59 Uberi like MESE crystals, for example
23:59 Uberi MESE is a great currency
23:59 marktraceur VanessaE: I'm inclined to agree, but having some ability to trade is good, and currency seems like the cleanest way to do it
23:59 Uberi plus there is natural inflation from the mining industry
23:59 marktraceur Uberi: My understanding is that mese is used to create currency, so it essentially is currency except that it's broken into littler bits when you craft

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