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00:00 marktraceur Cooool.
00:00 ecube :)
00:00 marktraceur Ha, security.
00:01 kaeza hm?
00:01 Jakssoul Does Arch support many applications? Or?
00:02 marktraceur kaeza: Can I nil the password and just allow users to use it automatically?
00:02 kaeza not yet
00:02 kaeza but you can give them the pass :)
00:02 kaeza and make it simple
00:02 marktraceur I disagree
00:03 marktraceur kaeza: If I just set marktraceur = true in the table, it should work (from what I can see)
00:03 kaeza yup
00:03 kaeza that's also possible
00:03 marktraceur But it doesn't check for +r?
00:04 kaeza nope
00:04 kaeza just basic auth for now
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00:04 ecube basically, name checking?
00:04 marktraceur Ugh.
00:04 marktraceur Should be OK for me, I'm always online
00:04 kaeza ecube: only pass for now
00:04 marktraceur But imperfect
00:05 kaeza everyone can be server admin if they know the pass
00:05 Exio kaeza: make it works with hostmask
00:05 ADFENO I've just installed Trisquel Brigantia today, and my main system is Debian Squeeze. Err... Apparently the main system is Trisquel Brigantia because GRUB starts from its partition now, although I wasn't asked to decided whenever to overwrite Debian Squeeze's GRUB version or not. :)
00:05 Exio +s
00:05 ecube fuq hostmask
00:05 kaeza hmm
00:06 marktraceur Oh gods
00:06 marktraceur The LuaIRC library....doesn't have flags
00:07 kaeza nope
00:07 ecube There's an LuaIRC library?
00:07 kaeza it seems
00:07 Exio flags? where?
00:07 * marktraceur runs screaming
00:07 ecube i thought kaeza was just using luasocket
00:07 kaeza hmm
00:07 * ecube reads the code
00:07 kaeza I should try and patch tht
00:07 kaeza that*
00:08 Jakssoul YOU GUYS LIE!
00:08 marktraceur Jakssoul: What about?
00:08 Jakssoul I just read the guide to installing Arch Linux, and I am going to have nightmares tonight!
00:08 Jakssoul xD It is scary!
00:09 Exio arch is easy to install, really
00:09 ecube It is for people who have already installed it
00:09 ecube not for peopel coming from ubuntu
00:09 Jakssoul EXACTLY.
00:09 ecube or debian-like systems
00:09 mrtux ^
00:09 Jakssoul I mean, I've got 12 or 13 LIVEUSB OS's on my flash drive.
00:10 Jakssoul None of them were hard to install.
00:10 Jakssoul Arch? I'm not even going to try.
00:10 mrtux the install is easy
00:10 ADFENO I tried to compile Minetest from the source code once again, since the one I tried to run was compiled under Debian Squeeze, and it gave me the same results.
00:11 Jakssoul Maybe you should just ditch your OS like I did just for Minetest? xD
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00:11 ecube ahahaha
00:11 ADFENO What do you mean by "ditch"? I don't understand, sorry.
00:11 Jakssoul I seriously ditched Puppy Linux JUST for Minetest.
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00:11 Jakssoul That's how much I love it.
00:11 ecube I hate the dpkg system, it's why I switched to arch
00:11 Jakssoul Get rid of it. I was being sarcastic though.
00:12 ADFENO Ah... :D
00:12 ADFENO Just like my friends always say. :D
00:12 Exio ecube: emerge is better >:D
00:13 Exio btw, if you have a compilar, you can have minetest everywhere! :P
00:14 ADFENO Yes... I just tried to recompile it because I'm new compiling things from source.
00:14 Exio pastebin the error/log
00:14 ecube Exio: Try running minetest in a computer that was built in minetest
00:14 ecube :D
00:14 Exio lol ecube
00:15 VanessaE I wonder if mesecons could do that......
00:15 VanessaE :-)
00:15 ecube that is, one that was built with mesecons
00:15 ecube VanessaE: I saw someone build an ALU in vanilla minecraft
00:15 ecube if that's possible, doing it in mt certainly is possible
00:15 ADFENO Here, once again, is the error output: http://pastebin.com/c4qwS5Du
00:15 moltenbot ADFENO's link: Terminal output when using "./minetest":    Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2  Linux - Pastebin.com
00:15 VanessaE I've seen a video of something like that
00:15 marktraceur kaeza: It didn't work :)
00:15 marktraceur I'll work on it later
00:15 ecube The first step is building the flippin' thing
00:16 ecube then install arch on it
00:17 Exio ADFENO: btw, that looks like a driver issue, what graphic card do you have? and what driver are you using?
00:17 Kacey im making a 4 bit decoder to 7 segment led display
00:18 VanessaE Kacey: already been done.
00:18 VanessaE (cornernote)
00:18 Kacey but im doing it into a led display
00:18 ecube haha
00:19 Kacey and then going to link mulitple ones to make a calculator
00:19 ecube Kacey: Challenge: install X on it
00:19 Kacey done lol
00:19 ecube how
00:20 ADFENO I have a NVidia GeForce GT 430, using the Nouveau module.
00:20 Exio did you try using the closed driver/module?
00:20 Kacey chuck norris
00:21 Exio or, as you are using old squeeze, with a newer nouveau? maybe some issue fixed a long ago
00:21 ADFENO No... Since I had some video issues or kernel panics when using it one year ago.
00:21 ADFENO So... I'm not going to make the same mistake again.
00:21 Exio btw, one year is a lot of time
00:22 ADFENO Also: I do not like Nvidias approach to much, I think their drivers are almost needless. :D
00:23 ADFENO It's indeed strange... though...
00:24 Kacey alright the decoder is built
00:24 ADFENO The Nouveau module from Debian Squeeze runs Minetest just fine.
00:24 Kacey no to code it...
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00:28 NakedFury dammit sound isnt coming out from the speakers
00:28 marktraceur NakedFury: Just hack around it, use your hard drives to generate sound
00:32 Kacey im using cornernote's diagram to make the decoder
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00:37 jojoa1997 To everyone who was helping me last night with the github stuff. i got it working. the default spot for my files was on a flashdrive not on my pc.
00:37 jojoa1997 so when it was updateing there was nothing in the github folder
00:37 jojoa1997 and the gui works fine thank you all
00:38 kaeza jojoa1997: good
00:38 kaeza and thanks :)
00:38 kaeza s/thanks/you're welcome/
00:38 Jakssoul joined #minetest
00:39 jojoa1997 why do you keep typing "s/'something'/'something'"
00:39 marktraceur jojoa1997: It's called a regular expression
00:39 * Jakssoul is wondering why nobody likes pulp in orange juice.
00:40 * jojoa1997 is drinking pulpy orange juice right now and is loving it
00:40 Kacey it now counts up to (1)
00:40 * Jakssoul high fives jojoa1997.
00:41 * jojoa1997 high fives Jakssoul back
00:41 Jakssoul Haha.
00:41 jojoa1997 can anyone make a review for my two mods
00:42 Jakssoul What mods do you have?
00:42 jojoa1997 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4167
00:42 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: [Mod] Peaceful NPC [1.3] [peaceful_npc] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
00:42 jojoa1997 peaceful npc
00:42 Jakssoul Ohhh!
00:42 jojoa1997 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4214
00:42 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: [Mod] Display Blocks [1.1] [display_blocks] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
00:42 jojoa1997 display blocks
00:42 BackupCoder hi
00:42 kaeza hi backup
00:42 kaeza ...
00:43 kaeza fck tab completion
00:43 kaeza hi BackupCoder
00:43 Jakssoul I can't get your Peaceful NPC mod to work for me, so, yup! xD
00:43 jojoa1997 they both are good ones but i really want the display blocks to be reviewed cause that is mainly my code
00:43 BackupCoder o/
00:43 kaeza \o
00:43 jojoa1997 try downloading 1.3 or go to the github
00:43 jojoa1997 i just updated like 5 minutes ago
00:44 jojoa1997 does anyone have any suggestions for the display mod
00:44 ADFENO Does all the mods work on Minetest 0.4.3? Can I still connect to servers which run 0.4.4, using 0.4.3?
00:44 Jakssoul Why would you do that?
00:44 jojoa1997 it only works on 0.4.4
00:44 marktraceur I think you can, though
00:45 marktraceur It just won't have all the features
00:45 jojoa1997 it is 3d and has animations
00:45 jojoa1997 it is like the 0.4.4 players
00:45 ADFENO Well, I think I'll try compiling Min etest 0.4.3 and see if it works here.
00:45 Jakssoul I was talking to ADFENO.
00:45 Kacey it now counts to 2!!!!!!!
00:46 Jakssoul Anybody know of any other good Free Linux Games?
00:46 Jakssoul Has anybody ever tried OpenMW?
00:46 ADFENO What does "MW" stands for?
00:46 jojoa1997 mineworld
00:46 kaeza Jakssoul: OpenTTD FTW!
00:47 Jakssoul It's the third installation of the Elder Scrolls series.
00:47 Kacey UNTANGLE FTW!!!!!!!
00:47 Jakssoul NO! Not MineWorld.
00:47 Jakssoul Morrowind or whatever.
00:47 Jakssoul OpenTTD?
00:47 kaeza a FLOSS version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe
00:47 Jakssoul That looks... like it isn't my cup of tea.
00:47 jojoa1997 mineworld was a joke mc=minecaft, mt=minetest \o/, mw=mineworld
00:48 Jakssoul Any other suggestions?
00:48 ADFENO Well... If it doesn't require proprietary software, then I should try it.
00:48 * ADFENO takes note of OpenMW.
00:48 kaeza Jakssoul: http://lgdb.com
00:48 Jakssoul According to the main site for it, "You must own Morrowind blah blah"
00:48 kaeza Jakssoul: http://lgdb.org
00:48 moltenbot kaeza's link: Linux game database | Database for native Linux games
00:48 Jakssoul It requires proprietary software, I'm sure.
00:48 jojoa1997 going onto pc cya
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00:49 jojoa1997_ i am back4
00:49 ADFENO Ah... then I'm out from it, no way! Blah... :(
00:49 marktraceur Jakssoul: OpenArena, Red Eclipse, HedgeWars, Ryzom
00:49 marktraceur (just a few)
00:49 jojoa1997_ *back
00:49 Jakssoul Sorry, things I can play OFFLINE as well?
00:49 marktraceur Ryzom is....edgy, but I think technically free
00:50 Jakssoul marktraceur, any of those offline?
00:50 marktraceur Jakssoul: In theory all of them, but you'd need to run a local server for OA and Ryzom
00:50 ADFENO Armagetron Advanced?
00:50 Jakssoul I always forget to mention my offline-neediness.
00:50 marktraceur Jakssoul: I enjoy Pioneers as well
00:50 Jakssoul I LOVE Armagetron Advanced.
00:50 kaeza Jakssoul: http://allegro.cc
00:51 Jakssoul How is Red Eclipse, marktraceur ?
00:51 ADFENO Welll... The Allegro community has some impressive games.
00:51 Kacey counts to 3 now
00:51 kaeza Kacey: ?
00:51 jojoa1997_ can someone kick jojoa1997 i dont know why my pc is having 2 accounts on
00:51 jojoa1997_ the one without the underscore
00:51 Kacey making a 4-bit decoder
00:52 kaeza ah
00:52 Kacey ya
00:52 Exio xonotic ftw!
00:52 leo_rockway are we listing free games?
00:52 Kacey but im not doing bad
00:52 leo_rockway Warzone2100
00:52 kaeza leo_rockway: +1
00:52 Jakssoul Yes we are, for Jakssoul  -ey boy.
00:52 Exio warzone is more than a game
00:52 Kacey 3 in around 30 minutes not bad at all
00:52 leo_rockway Battle for Wesnoth
00:52 Jakssoul Is Warzone2100 able to be played offline?
00:53 Jakssoul As well as BfW?
00:53 kaeza Jakssoul: yes
00:53 Jakssoul Awessomeeee.
00:53 ADFENO BZFlag, but I don't know if you can add bots to play with.
00:53 kaeza IDK about BFw
00:53 Jakssoul I've got like, ten games to download.
00:53 Exio multiplayer is a lot of better
00:53 Exio :P like everygame
00:53 Jakssoul I can't play online much.
00:53 Exio why?
00:53 kaeza anyone ever played 0verkill?
00:53 Jakssoul I rip off my neighbors connection and have to stand awkwardly to use it.
00:53 Jakssoul (They know I do, it's okay.)
00:53 ADFENO You could also try emulationg games with Mednafen.
00:54 Exio lol
00:54 leo_rockway Jakssoul: BfW is a turn based strategy game. WZ2.1k is rts.
00:54 BackupCoder oops
00:54 BackupCoder typo
00:54 Jakssoul Mednafen? Will it play Pokemon? :P
00:54 Jakssoul I see it lists gameboy games as a possibility.
00:54 leo_rockway supertuxkart <3
00:54 ADFENO I don't know.. But I like to play Harvest Moon Friends of Mineral Town on it.
00:55 Jakssoul I remember, like, a decade ago, playing the old Pokemon games.
00:55 kaeza Jakssoul: ZSNES?
00:55 kaeza epsxe?
00:55 jojoa1997_tablet joined #minetest
00:55 Jakssoul I lost like, at least 3 years on them.
00:55 kaeza Mupen 64?
00:55 Jakssoul CALM DOWN HERE!
00:55 Jakssoul kaeza, can you PM me all of this?
00:55 ADFENO Wow.
00:55 Jakssoul Wow = ?
00:55 ADFENO StepMania.
00:56 Exio jojoa1997_tablet: android tablet? install some native client (like yaaic)
00:56 ADFENO "Wow" is the same thing as "LOL", just more formal.
00:56 Exio lmao
00:56 Exio >:D
00:56 jojoa1997_tablet what do you mean native client
00:56 leo_rockway Frets on Fire
00:56 Exio leo_rockway: FoFix!
00:56 leo_rockway or that
00:57 Exio jojoa1997_tablet: running without webbrowser :P
00:57 leo_rockway freeciv, freecol
00:57 leo_rockway freedoom
00:57 Kacey now on to 4
00:57 leo_rockway freerpg
00:57 ADFENO PCSXR (PlayStation emulator).
00:57 Exio gens!
00:57 Exio Sega Genesis Emulator <3
00:57 leo_rockway minetest!
00:58 ADFENO FreeDoom, what a hard and epic game. :D
00:58 Exio hahaha
00:58 Jakssoul FreeDoom requires the xyzblahblah from real Doom.
00:58 leo_rockway Jakssoul: it doesn't need anything from Doom, AFAIK.
00:58 FreeFull Basically, ID gave away the source code but not the actual game data
00:59 Jakssoul Uhm? Not from what I've read?
00:59 leo_rockway FreeFull: FreeDoom IS the actual game data.
00:59 FreeFull So you need to either make your own game data or get it from the original game
00:59 * ADFENO agrees with leo_rockway.
00:59 FreeFull Ah
00:59 Jakssoul That's what I was saying.
00:59 leo_rockway the engine I used was prboom.
00:59 ADFENO Me too.
00:59 Exio Jakssoul: ioquake3? :P
00:59 Jakssoul ?
00:59 FreeFull Jakssoul: Yes mednafen will play pokemon
00:59 Jakssoul YES! :D
00:59 FreeFull Except for the DS ones
00:59 Jakssoul Definitely getting mednafen.
01:00 Jakssoul Time for some Emerald! xD
01:00 marktraceur Jakssoul: I haven't played it, but heard good things
01:00 ADFENO For the Nintendo DS, try DeSmuME.
01:00 FreeFull It will play the GB/GBC/GBA pokemon fine
01:00 leo_rockway I can't wait to see a FreeDoom3, although I probably couldn't play it with my GPU.
01:00 ADFENO I think the same, leo_rockway
01:00 ADFENO *.
01:00 Kacey 4 is done now
01:01 Jakssoul Any of these games in the Ubuntu Software Center? (Since there are so many recommendations, I feel it would be much easier to get them through it)
01:01 ADFENO Especially if the Nouveau module gives me problems like this one which I'm having with Minetest under Trisquel Brigantia.
01:02 kaeza Jakssoul: TeeWorlds
01:02 Jakssoul Getting FreeDoom as well as Warzone2100 now.
01:02 Jakssoul Damn, my neighbors should be very glad they have unlimited Data. xD
01:02 leo_rockway TeeWorlds +1
01:03 Jakssoul What is TeeWorlds?
01:03 kaeza neighbors killing Jakssoul in 3...2...1...
01:03 Jakssoul After installing FreeDoom, it looks like I need an.. IWAD?
01:03 Jakssoul What do I do with prboom?
01:03 leo_rockway Jakssoul: either 2D Quake or real time Worms...
01:03 leo_rockway prboom is the engine, freedom is the iwad.
01:03 Jakssoul I am being overloaded here.
01:03 Jakssoul What is TeeWorlds?
01:04 leo_rockway 2D Quake, or real time Worms
01:04 leo_rockway that's the best description I can come up with.
01:04 Jakssoul I don't understand. xD
01:04 kaeza well, counting SNES+GB[C|A]+NES+PSX games, you have like 128945354695 ones
01:04 leo_rockway little kirby-like entities fighting to death
01:04 Jakssoul Got it.
01:04 BackupCoder jack kirby?
01:04 kaeza Kirby +1
01:04 ADFENO PrBoom = Engine; FreeDoom = IWAD.
01:04 ADFENO To run the game, run PrBoom.
01:05 BackupCoder ++
01:05 Jakssoul Thanks, ADFENO .
01:05 BackupCoder wait
01:05 leo_rockway Jakssoul: http://youtu.be/Ff-Pi7RD9pM
01:05 moltenbot leo_rockway's link: Teeworlds Gameplay - YouTube
01:05 ADFENO You're welcome.
01:05 BackupCoder check out my prboom framework
01:05 kaeza BackupCoder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby's_Adventure
01:05 moltenbot kaeza's link: Kirby's Adventure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:05 ADFENO Hedgewars is also a good call... Warmux/Wormux too.
01:05 BackupCoder I can link later
01:06 leo_rockway ADFENO: yup, those are good.
01:06 Jakssoul I just entered my root password (That I use for EVERYTHING) into this IRC window when it was requested for installing an application.
01:06 leo_rockway Secret Maryo Chronicles and Super Tux...
01:06 Jakssoul I almost hit enter. I would've died.
01:06 ecube well you didn't hit enter
01:06 Jakssoul Luckily.
01:07 ADFENO Let's see... Where is my softawre prefferences list... Got it... Games... games... games...
01:07 kaeza ADFENO: same here :D
01:07 leo_rockway then there are some good CLI games o.o
01:08 Jakssoul CLI?
01:08 leo_rockway like nethack or liberal crime squad
01:08 leo_rockway Jakssoul: terminal.
01:08 BackupCoder cmdline
01:08 ADFENO Command Line Interface.
01:08 Jakssoul Oh okay.
01:08 Kacey 5 is done
01:08 kaeza Jakssoul, leo_rockway: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~brain/0verkill/
01:08 moltenbot kaeza's link: 0VERKILL - hell in ASCII
01:08 leo_rockway nethack is the most complex and difficult game, and entertaining there is.
01:08 Jakssoul Looking into it now.
01:08 BackupCoder see mine
01:08 leo_rockway kaeza: I think I tried that one o.o
01:08 Jakssoul leo_rockway,  and kaeza .
01:09 Kacey a third of the way done
01:09 leo_rockway Tremulous (although it's dead and replaced by some fork, which I can't remember the name of)
01:09 kaeza Jakssoul: also try Iter Vehemens Ad Necen
01:09 Jakssoul Tremulous is a no-go.
01:10 kaeza (IVAN)
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01:10 leo_rockway Jakssoul: why?
01:10 Jakssoul I looked it up, it's too heavily based on online-play.
01:10 leo_rockway oh, right. Yes, only online.
01:10 leo_rockway but then again, so is TeeWars
01:10 leo_rockway or TeeWorlds, or whatever the current name is.
01:10 Jakssoul That's not an option either then.
01:11 Jakssoul Not willing to stand all day to play a game. xD
01:11 leo_rockway secretmaryo
01:11 leo_rockway I like that one
01:11 Jakssoul That's why I'm rarely online on Minetest. But, I have a bada** offline world.
01:11 Jakssoul I will look up secretmaryo
01:11 codile_ ah, teeworlds is also cool
01:11 leo_rockway secretmaryo.org
01:11 leo_rockway Jakssoul: I forgot you were looking for offline ones.
01:12 Jakssoul Question:
01:12 Jakssoul Installing PrBoom and FreeDoom from the Ubuntu Software Center ended with me getting both of those things. BUT,
01:12 Jakssoul It came with the "Vavoom Launcher" to launch the game.
01:12 Jakssoul I have no idea how to use it. Anybody?
01:12 leo_rockway never heard of vavoom o.o
01:12 leo_rockway I just run prboom
01:12 Jakssoul It's a bra size. xD
01:13 leo_rockway xD
01:13 Jakssoul Or type, style.
01:13 Jakssoul Something.
01:13 kaeza hey I like Vavoom
01:13 Jakssoul The launcher?
01:13 iqualfragile Jakssoul: why do you care about that stuff?
01:13 Jakssoul Care about what stuff?
01:13 kaeza it's one of the few that have mouse pitch control
01:13 Jakssoul HOW DO I USE IT, kaeza???
01:13 Jakssoul xD
01:14 Kacey 6 is done
01:14 leo_rockway Jakssoul: if you like RTS, Warzone2100 is the one I'd check out first. It has an amazing way to handle units.
01:14 leo_rockway you design all the units.
01:14 Jakssoul I am looking into it.
01:15 Jakssoul As well as NetHack.
01:15 leo_rockway and the campaign is quite good
01:15 leo_rockway nethack is very difficult. Keep in mind that "dying is fun" while you play.
01:15 Jakssoul Hahaha, alrighty.
01:15 codile_ mangband is also cool
01:15 Jakssoul mangband?
01:15 leo_rockway is that the tolkien based nethack?
01:15 codile_ its a multiplayer online rougelike
01:16 Jakssoul No tengo INTERNET!
01:16 codile_ it's tolkien based yes
01:16 kaeza Jakssoul: http://ivan.sourceforge.net/
01:16 moltenbot kaeza's link: Iter Vehemens ad Necem - Index
01:16 Jakssoul codile_ online games aren't an option.
01:16 codile_ oh, then try nethack ;)
01:16 codile_ or angband. the single player version
01:16 Jakssoul Installing X Nethack now.
01:16 codile_ or dungeon crawl stone soup
01:17 leo_rockway liberal crime squad, unless you're under 21...
01:17 leo_rockway it's very violent and graphical, although it's CLI based o.o
01:17 Jakssoul What does being 21 have to do with anything?
01:17 leo_rockway Jakssoul: in liberal crime squad you set up a squad of terrorists
01:17 Jakssoul That's fantastic. xD
01:17 codile_ :P
01:18 codile_ you can also try dwarffortress
01:18 leo_rockway and you try to overthrow a conservative government
01:18 leo_rockway it's a parody
01:18 codile_ but it isn't open source :(
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01:18 leo_rockway is dwarf fortress free?
01:18 Jakssoul That's awesome.
01:18 leo_rockway yeah, that's what I thought :S
01:18 codile_ free but open source
01:18 codile_ free as in free beer :P
01:18 leo_rockway I use free as in freedom, not as in beer
01:18 Jakssoul I just installed like, 8 applications. xD
01:18 codile_ but you won't know what's in your beer :D
01:19 codile_ so there could be poison inside :P
01:19 leo_rockway it's a good thing I don't drink o.o
01:19 codile_ :D
01:19 ADFENO Wow.
01:19 codile_ which ones? ^^
01:20 Kacey 7 is done 8 more to go
01:20 ADFENO Here is a list of the games I usually play: http://pastebin.com/89g92nQR
01:20 moltenbot ADFENO's link: Abuse  AisleRiot  Anagramarama  Armagetron Advanced  Battle for Wesnoth  BZFlag  - Pastebin.com
01:21 kaeza Anagramarama FTW!!
01:21 ADFENO I forgot to add ZSNES though.
01:21 kaeza hmm... how is it I don't have it installed yet?...
01:21 Jakssoul Someone else did it for you.
01:22 codile_ i think i missed something. so you're looking for games you can play offline?
01:22 Jakssoul Yes sir!
01:22 codile_ okay
01:22 Jakssoul Minetest can get old after 5 hours straight. :P But it's always good the next day.
01:22 codile_ ADFENO: Armagetron Advanced is a good joice ;D
01:22 Jakssoul I love AA.
01:22 ADFENO Yeah... I agree.
01:23 leo_rockway neverball
01:23 leo_rockway neverball is basically super monkey ball
01:23 ADFENO Specially the bot names. Excel keeps doing tiny squares around me. :D
01:23 leo_rockway and neverputt, it's golf with the same engine.
01:23 codile_ :D
01:24 codile_ or freedroidrpg
01:24 iqualfragile Battle for Wesnoth!!
01:24 Jakssoul I just went from 5 gigs of freespace on my HDD to 1.7GB.
01:24 Jakssoul xD
01:24 codile_ also a nice choice
01:24 Jakssoul I will check it out as well.
01:24 leo_rockway BoW is def god
01:24 leo_rockway good*
01:24 iqualfragile and freeciv
01:25 codile_ omfg i wrote choice with j >.<
01:25 iqualfragile i like taht stuff
01:25 Jakssoul Yes you did.
01:25 iqualfragile hmm… my hdd is full too
01:25 Jakssoul I only have an 8gig HDD.
01:25 Jakssoul Crappy netbook!
01:25 codile_ finally
01:25 Jakssoul Be right back.
01:25 iqualfragile nah, i have ~300gb
01:25 codile_ finally they fixed the savegame bug
01:25 iqualfragile but its full anyways
01:25 ADFENO That's why I still love the heavy computer gabinets. :D
01:26 iqualfragile am thinking about using some strange overlay-filesystem to extend capacity
01:26 kaeza ~500GB on desktop :D
01:26 Kacey 8 works
01:26 codile_ lvm :P
01:26 kaeza ~499 are pr0n...
01:26 iqualfragile http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html
01:26 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: Unionfs: A Stackable Unification File System
01:27 leo_rockway supertuxkart, supertux, battle for wesnoth, secret maryo chronicles, warzone2100, nethack, liberal crime squad, freeciv, freecol, armagetron, freedoom
01:27 leo_rockway get all those, now! o.o
01:27 ADFENO Wow.
01:27 iqualfragile leo_rockway: freecol?
01:27 iqualfragile did not know that
01:27 codile_ dungeon crawl stone soup and angband
01:27 kaeza ZSNES fceux epsxe SuperTuxKart TeeWorlds
01:27 codile_ teeworlds is online :P
01:27 kaeza and soon Anagramarama :D
01:27 iqualfragile and i just got the freedoom joke for the first time
01:27 codile_ unless you start a local zombie server :P
01:28 codile_ which joke?
01:28 iqualfragile free doom
01:28 codile_ :D
01:28 kaeza ...
01:28 ADFENO Hahaha.
01:28 codile_ that's genius
01:28 leo_rockway iqualfragile: freecol is to colonization what freeciv is to civilization. Although freecol is java :S
01:28 Jakssoul My HDD is really about to be filled up.
01:28 ADFENO Just like "merry grav-mass". :D
01:28 iqualfragile never played colonization
01:28 Jakssoul Looks like it is time to delete the pr0n...
01:29 Jakssoul KIDDING.
01:29 Jakssoul :D
01:29 iqualfragile sudo apt-get install freecol
01:29 Jakssoul (I would never do that!)
01:29 Jakssoul Kidding again.
01:29 iqualfragile Jakssoul: more like time to buy a new hdd
01:29 Jakssoul xD
01:29 Jakssoul I wouldn't pay for a new HDD for this thing!
01:29 Jakssoul Unless somebody gave me 2GB RAM for it.
01:29 leo_rockway iqualfragile: you have found a colony and declare independence from Europe. You commerce with natives and with Europe...
01:29 Jakssoul Which is $25. I won't pay for that either.
01:30 iqualfragile kindof like round-based anno?
01:30 codile_ domination is also nice
01:30 codile_ but not if you play it against the ai :P
01:30 ADFENO I need to go now... I must test the sound configuration here to see how many sound souices I can play, and with which order.
01:30 Kacey bbl
01:30 leo_rockway iqualfragile: I tried unknown horizons, which is free anno... it's kind of like that.
01:30 iqualfragile btw @anno: http://www.unknown-horizons.org/
01:30 leo_rockway iqualfragile: but closer to Civ.
01:31 Jakssoul OKAY! So,
01:31 iqualfragile well, seems like we kindof had the same idea…
01:31 leo_rockway I like that they changed the name of unknown horizons... open anno sounded terrible o.o
01:31 codile_ you also want to install unknown horizons for sure ;D
01:31 Jakssoul Anyone know how big the Warzone2100 file is?
01:31 Minetest-tan GIT: Splizard (Splizard) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Run nodeupdate() after burning nodes. deb39ddcd4 2012-12-27T17:30:52-08:00
01:31 iqualfragile warzone is big
01:31 Jakssoul 68MB.
01:31 kaeza leo_rockway: al menos en español :P
01:31 leo_rockway last time I tried unknown horizons it wasn't really complete yet.
01:31 ADFENO Bye everybory.
01:31 Jakssoul THat's not big.
01:31 leo_rockway kaeza: sí, jeje.
01:31 Jakssoul Bye, ADFENO .
01:31 iqualfragile round of unknown horizons anyone?
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01:32 iqualfragile im gona host
01:32 leo_rockway I can't play anything :S
01:32 Jakssoul Is Unknown Horizons offline-able? xD I know that's not a word.
01:32 iqualfragile yes it is
01:33 Jakssoul Downloading now. xD
01:33 Jakssoul I'm just going to clog my netbook with every game I can, then delete what I don't like.
01:33 leo_rockway the videos of Warzone are heavy... like 500mb or so, but they are optional.
01:34 Jakssoul leo_rockway, What are you talking about?
01:34 Jakssoul Videos?
01:34 leo_rockway Warzone2100 has videos for the campaign
01:34 leo_rockway they can be downloaded from their website
01:34 Jakssoul Screw that!
01:35 Jakssoul That's like, 2 years of pr0n! (I should probably stop the porn jokes. Roflmfao)
01:35 leo_rockway well, they are nice vids o.o
01:35 Exio the last time i checked they had download for 'LQ' 'Normal' and 'HD' videos (500 == HD, 100 == LQ, iirc)
01:35 Exio and they are fully optional
01:35 iqualfragile they have some interesting branches in warzone but they dont get merged into main it seems
01:35 Exio Jakssoul: btw, i'm playing in a netbook
01:35 leo_rockway Exio: oh, right. It was HD 900, HQ 500 and LQ 100.
01:36 Jakssoul Exio, how much RAM have you got?
01:36 leo_rockway iqualfragile: they are working on the new version, still.
01:36 leo_rockway and yes, the branches look very interesting.
01:36 Exio 1GB
01:36 Jakssoul Oh, nice.
01:36 Exio intel atom n270 1.66GHz (one core / 2 threads [HT])
01:36 Jakssoul I've only got 512MB. :(
01:36 Exio 160 GB harddisk
01:36 Jakssoul What model?
01:37 leo_rockway Warzone was a proprietary game at the end of the 90s. It doesn't require a lot.
01:37 kaeza leo_rockway: I had it for the PSX ^_^
01:37 Jakssoul Unknown Horizons is 90MBs.
01:37 Jakssoul >_<
01:37 Exio i don't remember the exactly model, but it is some AAO (Acer Aspire One :P)
01:37 Jakssoul I used to have one of those.
01:37 leo_rockway Jakssoul: you could get scummvm and play beneath a steel sky or flight of the amazon queen...
01:37 Jakssoul It was stolen from me.
01:38 Jakssoul Which fall into what category?
01:38 Exio Jakssoul: if you want a small game, install xonotic! >:D
01:38 iqualfragile now i have it
01:38 leo_rockway graphical adventure (think monkey island)
01:38 Jakssoul Xonotic?
01:38 iqualfragile you wont get that to run on such a crappy netbook
01:38 leo_rockway Xonotic won't run on that
01:38 leo_rockway and offline Xonotic is kind of lame
01:38 kaeza Jakssoul: or try DOSBox + http://dosgames.com
01:38 moltenbot kaeza's link: Free games: Download over 600 DOS games. Shareware and freeware, reviews, help getting games working!
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01:38 Exio it works with 40~50 FPS here :P
01:38 Jakssoul I have DosBox!
01:38 Jakssoul I just don't know how to get the games on it!
01:38 Jakssoul Hahaha.
01:39 Exio and well, yeah, xonotic in SP is lame :P
01:39 Exio but i was just joking because he wants some 'small game'
01:39 leo_rockway Jakssoul: you can play all the lucas arts graphical adventures, but you'd have to download them from somewhere else, since they aren't free. but the virtual machine is.
01:39 kaeza Jakssoul: you must "MOUNT" a directory
01:39 iqualfragile oh, wow, techtree: https://guide.wz2100.net/r/tech-tree
01:39 kaeza Jakssoul: PM
01:39 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: Warzone 2100 Tech Tree
01:39 leo_rockway iqualfragile: yes, it's imprissive.
01:39 Exio iqualfragile: wz is mad
01:39 leo_rockway impressive, even.
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01:41 Exio well, i love this channel, it should be called #offtopic-nights-and-minetest
01:41 M13 I got Minetest to run on slitaz
01:41 Jakssoul HOW!?
01:41 Exio slitaz? w00t
01:41 Jakssoul Exio, I concur.
01:41 M13 I got the packages needed to compile minetest
01:41 M13 and compiled irrlitch
01:41 Exio Jakssoul: i think he used make and gcc
01:42 leo_rockway it could've been clang
01:42 Exio yeah..
01:42 M13 nope
01:43 Exio but gcc is in slitaz's repository iirc
01:43 M13 yes
01:43 M13 aand its stable
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01:43 M13 Im using Slitaz from now on out
01:43 Exio slitaz is my main 'small / fast / live' distro
01:44 iqualfragile nah, thats pupy
01:44 M13 yep, puppy in mine
01:44 iqualfragile slitaz is for …other… things
01:44 M13 for crashing computers maybe
01:44 Exio i don't really like puppy
01:44 Exio slitaz looks .. smaller .. :P
01:44 M13 i love puppy
01:44 M13 it is
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01:45 Jakssoul Puppy doesn't like Minetest.
01:45 Jakssoul Not for me, at least.
01:45 M13 Puppy Runs Minetest fine
01:45 M13 use Puppy Lucid
01:45 M13 it has most drivers for computers
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01:46 Jakssoul Darn. I was using Slacko
01:46 Jakssoul Lucid doesn't like my netbook. It likes to pretend it is always overheating.
01:46 Kacey back (for now)
01:46 iqualfragile oh, wow, they have changed the site, havent they? http://www.puppylinux.com/news/index.html
01:46 moltenbot Masters link: developer news
01:46 M13 yep it works
01:49 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: whats the status on technic?
01:50 PilzAdam VanessaE, explain: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/336
01:50 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: preload item visuals not saved in config ? Issue #336 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
01:53 VanessaE PilzAdam: I need to re-check that later.
01:53 PilzAdam and close the issue then because nobody can reproduce this
01:54 PilzAdam :-P
01:55 Kacey just finished 11
01:58 iqualfragile Kacey: 11 what?
01:58 Kacey on my 4-bit decoder i finished the 11th output
01:59 kaeza Kacey: screen?
01:59 Kacey of it?
01:59 kaeza yup
01:59 Kacey it isnt done yet
01:59 Kacey in a min let me get all outputs done
02:00 kaeza doesn't matter. SCREEN?
02:00 kaeza :P
02:00 Kacey hold on a sec k?
02:00 kaeza j/K take your time
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02:02 Kacey 12 done
02:02 NekoGloop a bot on an esper channel now has a !kitten command, courtesy of me =)
02:03 NakedFury it kills 1 cat each time you invoke it
02:03 NekoGloop nonono
02:03 NekoGloop syntax: !kitten <action> <target> =)
02:04 NekoGloop so, say, !kitten punts at NakedFury
02:04 NakedFury I will try it once
02:04 NakedFury !kitten
02:04 NekoGloop would say "NekoGloop punts kitten at NakedFury"
02:04 NekoGloop xD
02:04 NekoGloop I said it's on an esper channel
02:04 NekoGloop #minecraftindex to be precise.
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02:11 Jakssoul Is it just me, or does the default Archive manager for Xubuntu SUCK?
02:11 Jakssoul Half the files I download get an error when extracting.
02:12 kaeza Jakssoul: that happens also on the Ubuntu that comes with the OLPC
02:12 Jakssoul Ughhhhh!
02:13 Jakssoul I just took the time to download Daggerfall and now it won't extract.
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02:13 kaeza Jakssoul: try extracting from the command line
02:13 Jakssoul Because I know how to.
02:13 Jakssoul xD
02:13 kaeza !c 1/0
02:13 Minetest-tan Sorry, no result.
02:14 kaeza wrong bot
02:14 kaeza sorry
02:14 iqualfragile what should it do?
02:14 kaeza http://example.com
02:14 moltenbot kaeza's link: Example Domain
02:14 kaeza there ^
02:14 kaeza iqualfragile: ?
02:14 iqualfragile jup?
02:15 kaeza !c 2^24
02:15 Minetest-tan 16 777 216
02:17 iqualfragile i dont get it…
02:22 iqualfragile !c 999^999
02:22 Minetest-tan Sorry, no result.
02:22 iqualfragile pff
02:22 iqualfragile weakling
02:23 iqualfragile the result had just 3086 chars
02:26 iqualfragile yeah, well, good night
02:26 kaeza night
02:27 Jakssoul Good night.
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02:37 PilzAdam If anyone is bored go through this list and look if you can fix something: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues?state=open
02:37 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Issues ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
02:40 emstrand I have 5 apples and a rat, no tools...How do I get tools?
02:41 NakedFury you need tree blocks to turn into wood then sticks and tools
02:41 PilzAdam emstrand, wich version of Minetest are you using?
02:41 NakedFury 1 tree = 4 wood. 1 = wood =4 sticks
02:42 emstrand 55.0.3.1
02:42 PilzAdam you can dig a tree block with your hand
02:42 NakedFury minetest version
02:42 VanessaE eek, 0.3.1 is way old
02:42 VanessaE get 0.4.4 :-)
02:43 NakedFury next time remove the 55 numbers
02:43 emstrand tree block with hand?...great!
02:43 NakedFury but yes upgrade to 0.4.4
02:43 emstrand ok upgrade
02:44 PilzAdam if you need help to get this version to run feel free to ask
02:44 NakedFury same rules. you can chop trees with your hand but it takes time
02:44 emstrand thanks
02:44 NakedFury after you get the tree craft it into wood then into sticks
02:44 NakedFury then place 2 sticks in a vertical position:
02:44 NakedFury I
02:44 NakedFury I
02:45 emstrand and?
02:45 NakedFury like that and on top place 3 wood blocks for a pick axe
02:45 NakedFury example:
02:45 NakedFury W W W and the 2 sticks in the center
02:45 NakedFury I
02:45 NakedFury I
02:45 PilzAdam or just read the wiki: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Minetest_Wiki
02:45 NakedFury yeah that works too
02:45 emstrand ok...thanks
02:47 PilzAdam VanessaE, here we go: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/336#issuecomment-11723995
02:47 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Settings checkboxes not saved if you quit without first leaving the Settings tab ? Issue #336 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
02:47 VanessaE PilzAdam: already updated the description and title accordingly
02:48 PilzAdam saw that
02:48 PilzAdam thats a completly different issue
02:48 VanessaE indeed.
02:48 PilzAdam and very low priority
02:49 VanessaE yeah
02:49 VanessaE no matter
02:50 PilzAdam its 4 AM here need to sleep now
02:51 NakedFury no bug fix should be low priority
02:51 VanessaE merge my mese change first :-)
02:51 VanessaE (my tweak)
02:51 PilzAdam bye
02:51 VanessaE NakedFury: to be fair, this one's quite minor
02:51 VanessaE sigh
02:51 kaeza back
02:51 VanessaE hi kaeza
02:51 kaeza o hai V
02:52 kaeza what's up?
02:52 VanessaE nothin' much
02:53 BackupCoder end of the year
02:53 BackupCoder have no fear
02:54 BackupCoder shed no tear
02:54 VanessaE I'm telling you, he's starting to piss me off now
02:54 BackupCoder have some beer
02:54 NakedFury not me I hope
02:54 VanessaE no, PilzAdam
03:04 emstrand I now have a pick and a wooden shovel...thanks for the help..bye
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03:42 OldCoder Hi
03:42 kaeza hey
03:42 kaeza o/
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04:03 sokomine hi
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04:11 kaeza hi
04:18 VanessaE fuck it.
04:18 VanessaE I give up trying to make everyone happy with this mese shit.
04:20 NakedFury why. whats happening now?
04:20 VanessaE doesn't matter.
04:21 kaeza I know that feeling sis
04:21 VanessaE no matter what I do, someone feels the need to bitch in the most vocal manner possible.
04:22 kaeza then don't mind them
04:22 VanessaE or tell me my changes won't work (pilzadam)
04:22 kaeza I still believe the crystals are the right way to go
04:22 VanessaE the problem is the *old* mese
04:22 leo_rockway I don't like Linus a lot but: Talk is cheap, show me the code.
04:22 VanessaE people who want it bitch loudly when they don't have it anymore.
04:22 VanessaE I try to fix it?  pilzadam bitches.
04:23 VanessaE I try to fix it some other way, someone else will bitch.
04:23 leo_rockway I haven't seen the crystals, but... seriously, some cheese with all the whine? too much drama over something that shouldn't cause so much drama.
04:23 kaeza VanessaE: that also happened to me with my docs fix, remember?
04:23 VanessaE kaeza: actually I don't remember.
04:23 sokomine oh :-(
04:23 VanessaE leo_rockway: the crystals was added to minetest_game master days ago.
04:23 VanessaE and that's making people complain.
04:23 sokomine hm. just give enough mese to everyone :-) (hm..might still not make everyone happy :-))
04:24 leo_rockway VanessaE: yup, I know about it, I just haven't been able to see it since my laptop broke.
04:24 NakedFury they should not complain, makes them more unique
04:24 VanessaE so fuck it.  get Jeija's old mese mod and live in the land of the lost.
04:24 kaeza VanessaE: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/361
04:25 sokomine yes. you tried the best. maybe people where too accustomed to the old mese and just don't like too much change. it's hard to tell
04:27 sokomine today, i discovered too large swamps in singleplayer. and a sheep that was lying on the ground and not just standing. just to add some points that i enjoyed today :-)
04:28 sokomine havn't really seen the new mese yet. i was trying to add the formspec-on-rightclick but am not sure if it will work the way i plan to do it. requires more reading of the code
04:30 * sokomine looks around if there are some unclaimed kittens sitting on heads
04:30 kaeza to all those bitchers out there: is it too hard to just say 'nice job' without sarcasm?
04:31 sokomine we ought to say thank you more, that's right
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04:32 sokomine vanessa is doing a great job. i just think that those poeple who don't like the mese change do not get on well with changes as such
04:32 VanessaE hah
04:32 Muadtralk hmmmm?
04:32 leo_rockway kaeza: what about those dox?
04:32 Muadtralk talking about the changes again?
04:32 VanessaE Muadtralk: talking about how I gave up trying to put the old stuff back in.
04:32 Exio btw, i like the change now mese is 'more normal' :P
04:33 sokomine :-)
04:33 VanessaE people bitch, I try to fix.  then pilzadam, who has the keys the repo, bitches.
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04:33 sokomine i'm afraid there is really no way to make them all happy :-/
04:33 Muadtralk what did pilzadam do?
04:33 leo_rockway sokomine: exactly
04:34 Muadtralk after all i agreed with your fix
04:34 VanessaE Muadtralk: refused to push any of my attempted fixes to give users back their old mese.
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04:34 kaeza leo_rockway: it was just an attempt at documenting something that wasn't documented yet
04:35 kaeza *properly documented*
04:35 leo_rockway kaeza: why did they stop you? I don't get it.
04:35 Muadtralk his reasoning?
04:35 kaeza I just won't waste my time doing something if everyone is starting to bitch
04:36 VanessaE Muadtralk: it leads to inconsistencies with what will be found underground - old mese or new mese-crystals-in-stone.
04:36 kizeren personally I love the new mese.  Works awesome with the mint mod.  That and it makes much more sense.
04:36 leo_rockway kaeza: more and better documentation is always good... I don't get it :S
04:36 VanessaE it was the only way I could solve everyone's problem.
04:36 kaeza leo_rockway: : https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/361
04:36 moltenbot kaeza's link: Added texture transformations documentation to MT Lua API docs. by kaeza ? Pull Request #361 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
04:36 Muadtralk time for me to bitch to pilzadam then
04:36 VanessaE and the only one who even looks at minetest_game anymore, pilzadam, says no.
04:37 VanessaE so fuck it.  I give up.  take my code from (closed) pull request #82 (the first commit only) and see if you can make him like it.
04:38 VanessaE (ignore the three commits that follow it, those were further attempts to fix it followed by failed attempts to revert and rebase so I could collapse it all into one commit)
04:38 leo_rockway :S
04:38 Muadtralk huh
04:39 VanessaE Muadtralk: here's the patch I wanted to add:  https://github.com/VanessaE/minetest_game/commit/b304e242f4a7b5e9769281059fbe1505e6b9afa8
04:39 Muadtralk sounds like that optimization that didnt get tested before being submitted and therefore got kiboshed
04:39 sokomine texture transformation? sounds good. can it be done? apart from animated textures like in vanessas tv? i changed my grass to tv for testing purposes. that worked, but was not suitable for a 4seasons-replacement as intended
04:39 Muadtralk although this one has no reasoning
04:40 kaeza leo_rockway: if there are enough upvotes here, I may expand it. otherwise, just meh
04:40 Muadtralk VanessaE you gave up too quickly
04:40 Muadtralk it took 3 comments to knock you off your horse
04:41 VanessaE Muadtralk: you didn't see the chat here in IRC between pilzadam and I.
04:41 Muadtralk was it large?
04:41 VanessaE large enough.
04:41 Muadtralk hmmm did you send Jordach in as backup?
04:41 Muadtralk he has good speaking skills
04:41 * VanessaE shrugs
04:42 Muadtralk okay i missed a m so he isnt going to get pissed at me
04:42 sokomine for some of us english isn't the first language. while that may not always show it may make it more difficult when it gets to some details or talking friendly with other people. i understand most but have a rather small working vocabulary. and a lot of adjectives remain a mystery. those things might affect other people as well
04:43 sokomine it's sometimes hard enough to work together when all people speak the same language :-)
04:43 OldCoder sokomine, Hmm?
04:43 OldCoder Ah
04:44 OldCoder sokomine, Your English seems perfect
04:44 sokomine thanks. but if we where actually speaking and not writing i'd be completly lost
04:44 sokomine and if i want to discuss details about e.g. possible improvements to a house in one of the mt/mc worlds it gets complicated
04:45 leo_rockway sokomine: what's your mother tongue?
04:45 sokomine german
04:47 sokomine what i'm trying to say is that we (the non-native speakers) might miss some details of english. and those may be relevant as to how the reader perceives something said
04:48 sokomine most will be meant far less harsh than it sounds :-)
04:49 leo_rockway mhm, that makes sense.
04:50 leo_rockway but even using the same language...
04:50 sokomine yes. even there you get those problems far too often :-(
04:50 leo_rockway if you're angry, you'll read what people tell you using an angry tone.
04:50 Muadtralk of course most of native English speakers butcher the language either way
04:50 Muadtralk :P
04:50 sokomine or just reading too fast or beeing to tired or too focussed on something
04:50 sokomine :-)
04:50 sokomine as do germans with their language
04:51 kaeza https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/366
04:51 Muadtralk ill jump on the too tired train
04:51 moltenbot kaeza's link: Add a list of servers to the Multiplayer tab by Jeija ? Pull Request #366 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
04:51 kaeza WOW
04:51 Muadtralk yes!
04:51 leo_rockway one of Wikipedia's pillars is "Assume good faith". I think that solves a lot of issues.
04:51 Muadtralk pull it in now!
04:51 Muadtralk anyone!
04:51 sokomine oh yes, that would be a good thing, such a server list
04:51 kaeza leo_rockway: +1
04:51 * sokomine nods to leo
04:51 VanessaE leo_rockway: you wish!
04:51 leo_rockway VanessaE: I didn't say all o.o
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04:52 kaeza <PilzAdam> YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!
04:52 VanessaE leo_rockway: another one of their cardinal rules is, "if a rule stops you from improving Wikipedia, ignore all the rules [and do it anyway]."
04:52 leo_rockway fly, you fools -.-
04:53 sokomine one part of the lord of the rings was just repeated yesterday :-) maybe he was watching that on tv ,-)
04:53 leo_rockway VanessaE: there you go. So don't try to fix the new mese. The changed was pulled, end of story.
04:54 VanessaE leo_rockway: I wanted to improve it further so people who needed old mese still have it.  Pilzadam says, of the current state, that if peoples' buildings are undesireably altered by the change, they just need to tear down, re-invest, and re-build with less-cheap materials.
04:55 VanessaE (paraphrase)
04:56 Muadtralk kay then
04:56 VanessaE e.g. rebuild with mese blocks = 9 times as much of the stuff.
04:56 sokomine it would be nice if we could distinguish between "automaticly generated block" and "block placed by player"
04:56 Muadtralk tell him to add wool recipes
04:56 Muadtralk that way we can use yellow wool
04:56 VanessaE Muadtralk: he'll tell you to install a mod.
04:56 Muadtralk its in the default!
04:56 NakedFury who the hell would build with the weird old mese blocks???????????????????????????????????
04:56 Muadtralk so are dyes!
04:56 VanessaE (e.g. Jordach's woolcraft)
04:56 Muadtralk I would
04:56 VanessaE NakedFury: I've seen it done.
04:57 Muadtralk Ive built massive statues!
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04:57 Muadtralk using several stacks!
04:57 sokomine is there any real problem with a mod for those people? there is some oldmese mod? doesn't that help?
04:57 VanessaE hey, IP.
04:57 VanessaE world not loading again?
04:57 InfinityProject @VanessaE, the server is bugging
04:57 VanessaE restarted.
04:57 InfinityProject parts of the world arnet loading
04:57 kaeza hi InfinityProject
04:58 sokomine hm, sometimes people did build with the old mese blocks. usually nothing large because that would look too stupid
04:58 InfinityProject hello kaeza
04:58 sokomine i have one in my manson on display :-)
04:58 Muadtralk but still he would say add a mod
04:58 Muadtralk so....
04:58 VanessaE on redcrab's server, before the mapgen killed it, was a small shop made of the stuff, and another long before that with mese as pavement in front of the building
04:59 NakedFury fugly
04:59 Muadtralk let me fetch an image of one of my uses of it
04:59 sokomine yes, i saw mese as pavement somewhere. was only a small area at that house
04:59 Muadtralk its isnt very ugly from far away
04:59 InfinityProject Thankyou Vanessa
05:00 sokomine ok, if you can get far enough away it might look good. that usually is hindered by loading all the chunks requiring time
05:00 VanessaE Muadtralk: the only solution to make everyone happy is to take #82, add an ABM to it to convert all old mese to mese-crystals-in-stone under some certain depth e.g. -100 or lower, and push that to minetest_game master.
05:00 sokomine it is difficult for me to see cactuz' eiffel tower on redcrabs server. if i want to see it i have to climb it first. otherwise it isn't loaded
05:01 VanessaE (and pray that no one tries to place any of it below that depth, lest it also be converted right away)
05:01 VanessaE sokomine: same for me.
05:01 sokomine :-)
05:01 sokomine people like caves too much. you'd end up with someone trying to build a mese fortress at -1000 or something :-)
05:02 VanessaE exactly.  Someone on my server build a moderately-sized dwelling a few meters underground, out of (the new) mese blocks.
05:02 VanessaE three floors, split level if I remember right
05:02 sokomine inocudom?
05:03 VanessaE don't remember
05:03 Muadtralk http://imageshack.us/a/img23/8610/screenshot20723352.png
05:03 sokomine there are several people who look out for caves. they ought to settle down in our cave at greenvale :-)
05:03 VanessaE Muadtralk: that figure looks familiar
05:04 Muadtralk ive built it on every server i visited
05:04 Muadtralk except the newer ones
05:04 VanessaE what is it?
05:04 Muadtralk the rude bird
05:04 sokomine muadtralk: might be a good statue. difficult to see on a single image. flying around it would certainly be fun and give a better impression :-)
05:05 sokomine rude bird?
05:05 Muadtralk a political figure my grandfather created
05:05 sokomine it looks like a bird, yes
05:05 VanessaE ah
05:05 sokomine ah
05:06 Muadtralk trust me the severed head behind the wall its guarding was better
05:06 Muadtralk but i didnt snap many pics back then
05:07 VanessaE sorta reminds me of something out of The Far Side.
05:08 Muadtralk a slightly more 3d version http://imageshack.us/a/img688/5627/screenshot160637871.png
05:08 Muadtralk that wasnt finished
05:10 sokomine the car looks good as well
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05:11 Muadtralk not mine
05:11 Muadtralk :P
05:11 sokomine hm, and lighting seems a problem sometimes. my large minecraft-classic-townhall didn't work in minetest because it was extremly dark inside (until i made all blocks emit light)
05:11 sokomine which server are they on?
05:12 Muadtralk infinity
05:12 Muadtralk you know Jordan4ibanez's one
05:13 Muadtralk the old one is gameboom obviously
05:14 Muadtralk there is an old mineshaft that should still lead to it
05:14 Muadtralk that is if you can find it
05:14 Muadtralk it was directly under bad_commands castle
05:14 sokomine havn't been on that one yet
05:14 Muadtralk which is now a hole in the ground
05:15 sokomine instructions where to find good buildings on servers would be nice :-)
05:15 Muadtralk it would
05:15 Muadtralk I knew some epic ones on Gameboom that i can still find
05:15 Muadtralk but....
05:16 Muadtralk it usually means traversing a map with me for an hour to even see it
05:16 sokomine does the gameboom server has something like teleporters? i wish for them on redcrabs server. kingarthur has them - and they are very practical
05:16 Muadtralk it did
05:16 sokomine urgs
05:16 Muadtralk they got removed
05:16 sokomine :-(
05:16 sokomine why?
05:16 Muadtralk after people got pissed at the moderator Bad_command
05:16 Muadtralk demanded he be removed
05:16 Muadtralk so...
05:17 Muadtralk he deleted them
05:17 Muadtralk and he is the only person who can bring them back
05:17 sokomine oh :-(
05:17 leo_rockway the idea of mese being an alien crystal made me want alien mobs. I've mentioned that... but also, I like how Minecraft has abandoned mineshafts / ravines. MT could have aliens land sites / crashsites.
05:17 Muadtralk yes!
05:17 leo_rockway that would make us different from MC
05:18 Muadtralk replace the dungeons we had with those!
05:18 sokomine oh, yes, aliens would be nice :-)
05:18 Muadtralk not the green ones
05:18 Muadtralk only the white ones
05:18 Muadtralk they taste better
05:18 leo_rockway no, more like oreki (or however it was spelled)
05:18 Muadtralk oerkki
05:19 sokomine i don't like the mystery stuff minecraft seems to have (sekeltons? come on......). but there is nothing wrong with aliens. they might be possible. but if they have crashsites everywhere the question arises why they can't fly....
05:19 Muadtralk we need a bow and arrow
05:19 leo_rockway the DM attack the aliens too
05:19 Muadtralk or a laser gun
05:20 Muadtralk so we can shoot down UFO's
05:20 leo_rockway and they make the aliens UFOs crash
05:20 VanessaE maybe on Earth they can't make the materials needed to fly? :-)
05:20 sokomine the dm have nice living areas
05:20 VanessaE Muadtralk: throwing mod, and technic laser drill
05:20 sokomine why do the aliens fly that deep then?
05:20 Muadtralk yes I know
05:20 VanessaE make those do the job :-)
05:20 Muadtralk actually muavebic was working on some cool things last i checked
05:21 leo_rockway I'd really like throwing mod to have a throwing animation
05:21 Muadtralk and decaying arrows
05:21 sokomine he seems to build cool things as well based on his screenshots
05:21 sokomine arrows...hm...in a world with microprocessors?
05:21 sokomine and tnt...sometimes
05:22 leo_rockway you have to start somewhere
05:22 leo_rockway you were in one of the ufos that crashed and you need to survive o.o
05:22 sokomine sounds good
05:23 Muadtralk or you stole the device needed for them to fly
05:23 leo_rockway and that's why they all attack you
05:23 Exio and now they want it back!
05:24 Muadtralk and thats why they are on the ground!
05:24 sokomine crashed ufos might also supply further inhabitants in the future. those npc have to come from somewhere. having them roam around like animals isn't convincing
05:24 Muadtralk yes yes
05:25 sokomine or mese is really usefull stuff that the aliens need for their technology? very valuable, far more advanced than what the players can build with it
05:26 leo_rockway I'd really like to see this in MT for real.
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05:28 sokomine yes. that would be fun!
05:29 Muadtralk well now that we have put this into a idea
05:29 Muadtralk it will never come to be
05:29 Muadtralk simple as that
05:30 leo_rockway >.<
05:30 thexyz marktraceur: you should try asking him in -dev
05:32 Muadtralk goodbye all!
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05:37 sokomine why not? :-(
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05:41 Kacey hello
05:44 Kacey hello?
05:45 Kacey anybody home?
05:47 kaeza hey
05:47 Kacey hola
05:47 kaeza finished your decored?
05:47 kaeza decoder*
05:49 Kacey almost 2 more outputs to go
05:49 kaeza good
05:49 VanessaE hi
05:49 Kacey and then i have to make the display
05:53 Kacey one more output
05:53 Kacey brb
05:57 Kacey finished with decoder
06:05 kaeza k
06:05 kaeza screenies?
06:05 kaeza meh
06:05 * kaeza goes back to memebase
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06:09 Kacey sorry i was looking for a seven segment display drawing/ circut design
06:11 Exio :O quake3 in android working
06:11 Exio it works in a lg p350 perfectly! (i don't have any real keyboard so i can't move, but.. )
06:12 kaeza just... WOW
06:12 jojoa1997 what does this mean
06:12 jojoa1997 01:10:19: VERBOSE[main]: error_message = Some exception: "Access violation"
06:12 kaeza Access Violation yet again?
06:12 kaeza hmm
06:13 jojoa1997 this is the first time for me
06:13 kaeza jojoa1997: are you using  MOBF?
06:14 jojoa1997 one sec i will paste the errors in the debug
06:14 jojoa1997 http://paste.dy.fi/JHs
06:14 moltenbot jojoa1997's link: pastebin
06:15 VanessaE jojoa1997: probably the result of that recovery you tried to do.
06:15 VanessaE those are the same sorts of errors I was getting with your display boxes mod.
06:15 VanessaE delete technic and tetris_machine and re-download them from their original sources.
06:15 jojoa1997 i dont hink so i downloaded it
06:16 jojoa1997 redownloaded
06:16 kaeza VanessaE: just asking, but what commands would you find useful for remote server admin?
06:16 VanessaE you may have installed them to the wrong folders.
06:16 Exio now i need a bluetooth keyboard
06:16 Exio and i'm done for playing quake3 in everywhere!
06:17 VanessaE kaeza: basic stuff from the node_ownership mod, maybe a few random server commands like /ban or so
06:17 jojoa1997 nope i had been running the modpack file not the actual folder
06:17 jojoa1997 file=folder
06:17 VanessaE I haven't really thought about it too much
06:17 VanessaE /grant is helpful too
06:17 kaeza sounds like a good idea
06:17 kaeza remote ban
06:17 Exio why not a 'insecure exec'? :P
06:18 kaeza that's also a good idea!
06:18 kaeza let's have fun crashing Kacey's server again! :P
06:18 VanessaE heh
06:18 VanessaE I didn't say they'd make for good remote admin commands :-)
06:18 VanessaE just that they're what I use most :-)
06:20 Exio so, you keep banning people? :P
06:20 kaeza she doesn't need to; it's enough with the horrible lag
06:20 kaeza :P
06:20 VanessaE :P
06:20 kaeza lol J/K
06:21 kaeza it's been faster lately
06:21 VanessaE well that's one way to keep the griefing at bay - the server lags so much that only a serious player would bother ;)
06:22 Exio kaeza: do you have any spare bluetooth keyboard?
06:22 kaeza yup
06:22 Exio :P i need one!
06:23 kaeza here's the link: http://room/desktop/keyboard.zip
06:23 VanessaE haha
06:23 Exio ok
06:23 * Exio downloads it
06:23 Exio and btw, i need more ram
06:23 * Exio opens downloadmoreram.com
06:23 kaeza lol
06:24 kaeza seems legit
06:24 Exio :P
06:25 Kacey ok decoder is done
06:25 Kacey now for the display decoder
06:25 * VanessaE looks at the map of her server... still no nyan cats?  come on people, get busy :-)
06:26 kaeza I srsly need to make a Super Mario theme music box
06:26 VanessaE yup
06:26 kaeza BTW I changed the pirate poker face in the forums. hope you like the new one ^_^
06:29 VanessaE haven't seen it yet
06:32 kaeza hmm I think I'll wait until I have some secure authentication before making more commands
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06:34 VanessaE morning Jeija
06:36 Jeija morning VanessaE + everyone
06:36 jojoa1997 does anyone have the uranium mod
06:36 Exio morning Jeija
06:37 jojoa1997 morning Jeija
06:37 Exio but night for me, going to sleep, bye :P
06:37 jojoa1997 adios
06:37 Exio chau :D
06:38 jojoa1997 well does anyone
06:39 Kacey Jeija:i have successfully made a 4-bit decoder
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06:45 Dogzilla131 bye
06:47 kaeza morning Jeija
06:47 * kaeza is slowpoke
06:48 jojoa1997 what is the texture atlas thing that you put in the config file that turns atlas off
06:49 jojoa1997 what do you type
06:49 VanessaE enable_texture_atlas = false
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06:49 jojoa1997 thanks
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07:05 Kacey making a sevven segment display
07:05 Jeija Nice, Kacey
07:05 Kacey i have a 4-bit decoder made already
07:20 Kacey soooooooo many sbi commands
07:21 kaeza anyone interested in this idea: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-12-26#i_2756411
07:21 kaeza +?
07:23 kaeza hmm... another question...
07:24 kaeza is the nyancat generation code in C++?
07:24 kaeza or in Lua?
07:26 Kacey the worst part is... i have no resource to go to...
07:26 Kacey Jeija: +99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 for the microcontroller
07:34 Kacey 0 coded into the display
07:35 VanessaE ok, time for me to crash.
07:35 VanessaE night all.
07:35 kaeza night V
07:35 kaeza Kacey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven-segment_display
07:35 moltenbot kaeza's link: Seven-segment display - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
07:35 kaeza See the "Displaying letters setcion"
07:35 Kacey night v
07:36 kaeza See the "Displaying letters" section
07:36 Kacey i dont need to display letters
07:36 kaeza ...
07:36 Kacey just numbers
07:36 kaeza could you please at least look at it?
07:36 Kacey ok
07:40 Kacey kinda helps
07:42 Kacey sbi this sbi that....
07:42 jojoa1997 what do i type to update my local repo onto github.com
07:45 jojoa1997 anyone
07:46 Kacey 1 is coded in now...
07:47 Kacey and looking at the record... this will take FOREVER!!!!!!
07:47 kaeza jojoa1997: hmm
07:48 kaeza you want to update your mod?
07:48 jojoa1997 which mod
07:48 kaeza jojoa1997: what do you want to do?
07:49 jojoa1997 nvm i wanted to make a minetest backup but i decided not to
07:49 kaeza k
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07:53 Kacey 2 is coded in
07:53 Kacey 13 more to go and then i have to make the real display
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07:54 Kacey hello
08:00 OldCoder Hi
08:00 * OldCoder is resting
08:00 * OldCoder should be here all day Friday after waking up
08:00 * OldCoder will be working on Europe, Vanessa World, build scripts for people, and client binaries
08:01 OldCoder Zzz
08:01 kaeza :)
08:01 kaeza good night OC
08:01 jojoa1997 good night yall i am retiring for the night
08:01 kaeza night
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08:03 Kacey well i guess you and i are the only ones on kaeza
08:03 Kacey 3 coded in
08:03 kaeza yup
08:04 Kacey lol i need 12 more and then i have to make the actual display
08:06 Kacey this is getting boring
08:13 Kacey 4 coded in...
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09:10 kaeza mkay. time to go. good night/morning everyone
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09:21 Zeg9 Hello
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10:00 markveidemanis Hello
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10:16 kaeza hi
10:30 klunk ... hi kaeza !
10:30 kaeza hi klunk
10:30 kaeza what's up?
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10:33 klunk bohh nothing really new...
10:35 Zeg9 Hi kaeza, klunk
10:35 kaeza hey Zeg9
10:36 klunk I totally disagree with merchandising crisis around there, and some other stuffs with forum; I hope I will wrong but youtube flooding wont do nothing more than give community a huge amount of exclusive consumer asshole.
10:36 klunk salut zeg9
10:37 kaeza Zeg9: I was just reading your post about the chest Josh requested
10:38 klunk I would prefer articles in wikipedia and stuff like that, I guess they give us more contributive people.
10:38 Calinou wikipedia article? try harder!
10:38 Calinou --wikipedia admin
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10:40 klunk Calinou: j'ai pas compris ce que tu dit, mais j'ai vu combien s'était difficile dans le wikipedia Anglais.
10:42 Calinou un français :D
10:42 klunk oui et du Sud !
10:42 kaeza no entiendo nada de lo que dicen
10:43 klunk yes we just saying nothing important :-)
10:43 Calinou ich not bin spanish
10:44 Zeg9 /bin/spanish
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10:47 Calinou /usr/bin/native_french
10:48 klunk Perhaps we must do revues on other places, then link them to wikipedia article ; french wikipedia article is thin, but it seems to be "accepted"; perhaps having other wikipedia lnguage revues could help to validate english one ?
10:49 Zeg9 "Minetest is a sandbox game" << citation needed
10:49 Calinou lol
10:49 Calinou that WILL happen
10:50 Zeg9 OMG!
10:50 Zeg9 http://ompldr.org/vZ3V6Yg
10:52 Calinou simple mobs much
10:52 Zeg9 Any clue how I can beat them?
10:53 * Zeg9 will try tnt
10:53 Calinou sword and lava
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10:56 Zeg9 The tnt was destroyed by DM.
10:56 Calinou lava then
10:58 Zeg9 They are blocking access to my mine, where is my unique lava lake :(
10:59 Zeg9 I'll try some workaround...
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10:59 john_minetest Hello.
10:59 Zeg9 Hi
10:59 Zeg9 john_minetest, what I am doing atm: http://ompldr.org/vZ3V6Yg
11:03 Zeg9 Yeah ! Thanks for your idea Calinou. :D
11:06 Calinou yey clementine crash
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11:06 Calinou yey another clementine crash
11:06 Calinou yey yet another clementine crash
11:07 Zeg9 Now the debug time
11:07 Zeg9 After I removed the lava, this area was still lit
11:07 john_minetest Zeg9: Killing creepy DM's again ^^
11:08 john_minetest Zeg9: The ones from the mobf are quite nice, too.
11:08 Zeg9 Yeah.
11:08 Zeg9 But mobf has a sort of creeper that also spawns on the grass
11:08 Zeg9 and blows up everything :p
11:09 john_minetest these pink balls? they are strange. one blow up. the others didn't.
11:10 sapier the others were out of sync with server @john_minetest
11:11 sapier boombomb vanishes in sunlight without blowing up ... but as entity handling is somehow broken client often won't notice there ain't an entity anymore and still show it
11:11 john_minetest sapier: The zombie sounds are so good. Better than the ones in minecraft.
11:12 john_minetest sapier: zombies only spawn at surface?
11:12 markveidemanis how do i connect mithril chests o a network/
11:12 markveidemanis ?
11:13 sapier thx but it's not my work I just selected it .. not exactly they spawn at places where light value between day and night has huge differences ... most likely this is surface true
11:14 Zeg9 Sneak + Right click on cart to leave it = Teleport to somewhere
11:14 sapier but zombie spawning algorithm is really heavy and subject to change (as soon as I have an idea how to do it less costly)
11:14 john_minetest sapier: they should spawn also in caves. I walked through a cave and feared to death because of the zombie sounds and then i got to the surface and there were all the zombies.
11:14 sapier by the way its vombie not zombie :-)
11:15 john_minetest okay. vombies should spawn in caves. when i meet a vombie at surface it is only half that frightening as if i met him in a dark cave.
11:16 sapier true, still I'm not sure if this will result in lots and lots of lag
11:17 john_minetest there should maybe be spawners generated under the surface
11:17 kaeza hmmm... I can't count the times I pissed in my pants when exploring a dark cave and all of a sudden a DM appeared
11:17 sapier I've already thought of spawners but how to make sure they don't get "lost" by some player interaction
11:18 kaeza btw hi everyone
11:18 sapier hello :)
11:18 Zeg9 Make they have no group, so clients won't dig them
11:19 * Jordach just tried to pause a minetest video on yt using esc
11:19 sapier can one make it really invisible to client?
11:20 kaeza sapier: use a *very small* nodebox
11:20 john_minetest sapier: maybe they should be a special stone that drops nothing when you dig it.
11:20 kaeza or copy the player clip from maptools
11:20 Calinou it is possible to make invisible nodeboxes without using a separate node or a specific texture
11:20 sapier So we're talking about some sort of "invisible entity"
11:20 Calinou make the nodeboxes VERY small borders
11:20 Calinou that's what xfences do
11:21 Calinou it is an hack, but invisible unless your screen resolution is something like 6800x2400
11:21 Jordach Calinou, i dont even think NASA'S huge screen does it
11:22 sapier a good idea, might be a solution for those of my spawn algorithms beeing still too heavy
11:22 sapier hopefully this won't make minetests entity handling colapse
11:23 sapier as it most likely will double entity count
11:23 Zeg9 Make a check on each spawn
11:23 Zeg9 if there isn't more than X mobs on the chunk
11:23 john_minetest there should be spawners like in minecraft, only that they look better.
11:23 sapier of course thats done anyway
11:24 john_minetest do the mobs disappear after a time?
11:24 sapier but still for each mob generated there'll be sitting a spawner around
11:24 sapier @john_minetest in general they don't
11:24 Zeg9 Or...
11:24 Zeg9 Make mobs generate with the map
11:24 Zeg9 and then they reproduce
11:25 sapier boombomb vombie dm and big_red are killed by sunlight
11:26 john_minetest btw, are there oerkkis in mobf already?
11:26 sapier @zeg9 good idea but is a little bit too complicated to balance
11:26 Zeg9 Yeah.
11:26 sapier no, I didn't have graphics by now ... but seems there's a 3d model for them so adding would be a matter of minutes
11:27 sapier I think I'll implement a entity based spawn mechanism ... mobf already supports that many features adding another one won't harm ... especially if there are chances to improove performance
11:29 john_minetest I think, when 3d mesh characters are supported, nodeboxes are not longer needed.
11:29 john_minetest boombombs lag really hard because circles are bad with nodeboxes
11:30 sapier mesh is already supported and nodeboxes removal is already in progress
11:30 sapier boombomb for example already got a shiny new sphere mesh
11:30 john_minetest Yeah, I tried the npc_mob and it was nice.
11:31 sapier the cow got one too including walk stand and eat animation
11:38 john_minetest you can take my pig if you have got a texture. unfortunately i am not good in making textures :)
11:40 sapier I'm neither good at making models nor textures ;-)
11:44 thexyz marktraceur: should core docs be in Core: or in main namespace?
11:44 john_minetest i will try to make a texture now.
11:54 kaeza hmm... can you read the key states from lua?
11:55 kaeza I mean, is there a function in the MT Lua API to read whether or not a key is pressed at a given moment?
11:55 Jordach yes, only the default keys assigned for sneaking, walking, maus buttons, flying, jumping etc
11:55 Jordach how do you think you can enter carts>
11:56 kaeza hmm
11:56 kaeza what I mean is *any* key
11:56 Jordach no, that cant be
11:56 Jordach sorry.
11:56 kaeza ok
11:56 Jordach minetest has not got that yet....
11:56 kaeza that would be awesome
11:57 kaeza or atleast a bind command
11:57 Jordach code it yourself.
11:57 kaeza nice idea
11:58 kaeza but before doing it, I wish to know if this feature is wanted
12:01 Jordach it could be useful for a car mod or fighter jet mod (who wants missles and bombs!? not to mention realistic flight)
12:16 kaeza yay and next we add ICBM launchers
12:17 kaeza :P
12:18 kaeza nah, but that would be cool
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12:20 Jordach RealBadAngel, you around by chance>
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12:30 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: if you are around (by chance) then: whats the status on technic?
12:30 Jordach iqualfragile, I would have suggested a pm so he can read it later.
12:30 iqualfragile good idea
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12:39 Jordach VanessaE, sfan5, thexyz: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59887#p59887 this topic is about a CERTAIN DATE.. should this be kept?
12:39 moltenbot Jordach's link: [Mod]911[WIP][911] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
12:39 sfan5 Jordach: yed
12:39 sfan5 *yes
12:39 Jordach sfan5, read the topic wrong
12:39 Jordach actually it is the rescue service
12:40 Jordach hey Zeg9 - im gonna visit yer server
12:41 Zeg9 Hello
12:44 * Jordach signs in gleefully
12:47 Jordach Zeg9, can you drop me some privs on zegatron?
12:50 kaeza does anyone know who "...@rrcs-96-11-145-30.central.biz.rr.com" may be?
12:52 kaeza whoever it is, it is trying to use an older version of my IRC mod
12:54 FreeFull Imagine mods that expire
12:54 FreeFull And you can't use them after a certain date
12:54 FreeFull So you are forced to use the newest version
12:55 kaeza his/her problem is that particular version seems to be crashing
12:56 FreeFull Of course, if you know how to code, the safeguard is easily circumvented, but then you'll probably grab the newest version anyawy
12:57 kaeza a mod manager that automatically updates (or suggests an update) would be useful
12:59 FreeFull True
12:59 FreeFull Probably a better solution
13:11 iqualfragile uhm… you can just pull from github and then update automaticly?
13:11 iqualfragile https://github.com/iqualfragile/minetest_scripts FreeFull kaeza
13:11 moltenbot Masters link: iqualfragile/minetest_scripts ? GitHub
13:15 Jordach OldCoder, europe.minetest.org 30000 is down
13:15 Jordach !up europe.minetest.org
13:15 moltenbot Minetest server europe.minetest.org:30000 DOWN
13:19 kaeza iqualfragile: that would be good, but not all mods are hosted on github
13:19 iqualfragile it will just ignore hosts wich are not updateable via a git or hg-repository
13:19 iqualfragile and i think we should force everybody to have such a repository
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13:20 iqualfragile or at least a link wich allways points to the newest version of their mod
13:20 iqualfragile so its wget-able
13:20 kaeza iqualfragile: also, bash scripts are bad for windows
13:20 iqualfragile kaeza: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
13:20 Jordach kaeza, CYGWIN.
13:20 iqualfragile wtf? who is gona host a server on windows?
13:20 Jordach iqualfragile, ^^
13:21 iqualfragile you be kidding me?
13:21 Jordach iqualfragile, i do
13:21 kaeza Jordach: I know
13:21 kaeza but still...
13:21 kaeza also MinGW32/MSYS
13:21 iqualfragile nope, no windows-support from my side
13:21 john_minetest lol. a server on windows.
13:21 iqualfragile but i think those scripts could be rewritten in bat or whateverz
13:22 * Jordach prefers updating things by hand]
13:22 kaeza okay, so let's say we drop win support...
13:22 kaeza we cannot force everyone to use github
13:22 Jordach kaeza, if minetest lost win32 support minetest would be dead
13:22 Jordach colder and 0 kelvin
13:22 Jordach than
13:22 kaeza Jordach: it's an hypothetical scenario
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13:24 kaeza but also forcing mod devs to add a mod info file with download link is a no-no
13:25 iqualfragile kaeza: why?
13:25 kaeza and a config file would be too big
13:25 iqualfragile kaeza: not force everybody to use github
13:25 iqualfragile but hg or git
13:25 iqualfragile i dont care where its hosted
13:25 markveidemanis Hi all,
13:25 markveidemanis I have Just Put My Server Up
13:26 kaeza hi markveidemanis
13:26 markveidemanis Heloo
13:26 markveidemanis Hello
13:26 markveidemanis want to check out my server?
13:26 kaeza not now, sorry
13:27 markveidemanis creative for building spawn, need to have it in survival ASAP
13:27 markveidemanis anyone want to?
13:27 markveidemanis preferably a good builder
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13:42 kaeza iqualfragile: how about something like this? http://pastebin.com/E6ZsA2d2
13:42 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Bash] lalala - Pastebin.com
13:43 kaeza (as a base)
13:43 iqualfragile one does not use cat | grep
13:44 iqualfragile use grep 'filter' file instead
13:44 kaeza meh, just my style
13:44 iqualfragile or at least grep 'filter' < file
13:45 iqualfragile kaeza: while that "might" work there is no real guarantee that there will be only one link wich points to the file
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13:45 kaeza yeah
13:45 kaeza I tried it here
13:45 kaeza and cannot actually find the links in most mods
13:45 kaeza but whatever
13:45 kaeza was just bored
13:46 iqualfragile there is not even a guarantee that there is a readme
13:46 kaeza there *should* be a readme in every mod
13:46 iqualfragile == there should be a repos for every mod
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13:47 kaeza wrong; most users are not familiar with git and don't want to learn how to use an "useless program" (as I've heard some say)
13:48 iqualfragile hg init, hg serv
13:48 iqualfragile or hg init hg pus
13:48 kaeza s/users/average users/
13:48 john_minetest there should be a huge account called "Minetest-mods" where every modder has got his/her one repo for one mod.
13:48 john_minetest account on github
13:48 iqualfragile du kannst nicht zufälligerweise deutsch?
13:48 john_minetest wer?
13:48 iqualfragile kaeza
13:48 john_minetest ah.
13:48 kaeza niet
13:49 kaeza ?
13:49 iqualfragile ok
13:49 iqualfragile well, then we have to get something like bukkit
13:50 kaeza no what I mean is that we should not force users to use *a single type* of repo
13:51 iqualfragile who said that?
13:51 kaeza i.e a mod can use git, hg, svn, dropbox, ...
13:51 iqualfragile i would be allrigt with either: hg, git, any kind ov versioning-system
13:52 iqualfragile and any link wich is wget-able and allways points to the newest version
13:52 kaeza dropbox/mediafire/ompldr are not versioning systems IIRC
13:52 kaeza oh
13:52 kaeza yeah
13:54 kaeza but the issue now is how to maintain a database of mods. maybe rubenwardy can host one on his "Minetest Extensions" website
13:54 kaeza I mean, links to latest version of mods
13:54 iqualfragile thats no real problem, the database-backend is very simple
13:55 iqualfragile but celeron55 would need to make that official
13:55 kaeza true
13:57 kaeza we need a central/official db, otherwise lists may de-sync and blah blah blah
13:59 kaeza actually it doesn't matter if it's "official" as long as the db maintainer tries to keep the db up-to-date somehow
13:59 kaeza s/tries to keep/keeps/
14:07 Jordach minetest is never going to have a central modding base since xyz over there acts negative about them
14:09 Jordach (even acts pissy about central minetest documentation)
14:11 kaeza meh. so that will be another wasted effort IMHO
14:11 sapier there are already 3 "central" mod repositorys ... only way to get it really centralized is adding some sort of modserver support to core. I've got an idea we rename mod to app at same step and minetest gonna get much more fancy without having to do lots of work ;-)
14:12 kaeza Mac OS fan, huh?
14:12 sapier central modserver would be same benefit apple did when creating a single source of software for its platform ... the appstore
14:13 NakedFury if you dont like apple think of it as an android and its Google Play store
14:13 kaeza ditto Ubuntu, Debian, Puppy, etc etc
14:13 kaeza *any Linux*
14:14 sapier I don't like apple I don't even like the concept of having only one source of software but it's easy and that seems the only thing that matters
14:14 kaeza yeah
14:14 kaeza but no special 'approved by c55' bullshit
14:15 sapier but adding some sort of mod repository / mod packaging to minetest core would be something in between
14:15 kaeza I mean, any modder out there can get their creation on the 'mod store'
14:16 sapier if you use repositorys even any modder could create its own mod store
14:16 sapier but obviously having ones mod on a more common mod store would make things more comfortable for users
14:17 iqualfragile Jordach, kaeza, sapier: good news, celeron is willing to host a official db at minetest.net, it would be possible to use the punbb-credentials to log into the db
14:17 kaeza \o/
14:18 sapier there are already project out there doing it this way but as it's not part of core it's of no use to do packaging work
14:18 sapier @iqualfragile sounds great
14:19 sapier so we just need to get a mod or core enhancement in place to read that db by default?
14:26 iqualfragile we need to create a db first :D
14:26 iqualfragile but that should not be too hard
14:27 iqualfragile we could even try to parse the forum-posts
14:27 sapier :-) much more easy than adding anything to core ;-)
14:27 iqualfragile in case of doubt: use self-written bash-scripts
14:28 sapier I don't think that'd be necessary if there was a mod browser in core reading db any mod creator will be eager to put her/his mod to that db
14:28 sapier there should be some sort of rating system in there too
14:28 kaeza definitely
14:29 iqualfragile i have allready drafted a db for that some weeks ago
14:29 iqualfragile but im not good at html/design to be honest
14:29 kaeza iqualfragile: what would be HTML for?
14:29 iqualfragile we could allso use texturepacks
14:30 iqualfragile for having a good website to browse the mods?
14:30 kaeza rubenwardy has one
14:30 iqualfragile *use it for texturepacks*
14:30 sapier in game mod browser won't use html ... but of course having a website to see same information would be fine
14:31 iqualfragile i know (both)
14:31 iqualfragile well, then lets get rubenwardy to adapt his application to minetest.net
14:31 kaeza sapier: does the MT gui support multiline text fields?
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14:32 kaeza we could embed a short desc on the GUI
14:32 kaeza (plain text only of course)
14:34 sapier first of all there needs to be someone to code it ... I'd probably do it but it's lots of work I've already done lots of work for trash for minetest
14:34 sapier as long as there's not even a signal that mod browser has chances to be included to core I wont start ;-)
14:35 kaeza good point
14:35 iqualfragile sapier: a mod-database would be a good archivement for starters, wouldnt it?
14:35 kaeza how about a separate mod manager
14:35 kizeren In game mod browser i don't see working properly.
14:36 kizeren Too many different ways to compile and run minetest would be coding nightmare to make sure the game knows where it is at.
14:36 sapier @iqualfragile an official "moddb" would be a starting point ... but there are already moddbs ... why should an official one make things that better?
14:37 sapier @kizeren you don't have to support any mode at beginning
14:37 kaeza not necessarily an official one, but a central one
14:38 sapier @kaeza it's only "central" if every mod creator adds her/his mods why should anyone do this if it doesn't have any benefit?
14:38 kaeza well, then we get to the chicken or the egg
14:38 sapier an "official" blessin is a starting point ... no more
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14:38 kaeza no one will put the mods there because there is no gain
14:39 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:39 iqualfragile sapier: because its offical, creators dont have to create a new accont
14:39 iqualfragile hi adam
14:39 kaeza and no one will gain because there are no mods there
14:39 iqualfragile and we could parse the forums
14:39 kaeza hi PilzAdam
14:39 sapier yes thats a benefit ;-) a small one but still it raises chances
14:40 iqualfragile sapier: celeron sais that he would include a mod-manager with support for the mod-database
14:40 sapier that'd be best way to do it
14:40 iqualfragile gave me that link to a discussion about a mod-manager without db-support: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-12-26#i_2756866
14:40 moltenbot Masters link: IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2012-12-26
14:40 sapier at least in my opinion
14:44 sapier seem's this discussin already took place  2 days ago
14:56 john_minetest The problem is, that we need a central, decentralized database. What is impossible (?).
14:59 iqualfragile john_minetest: why decentralized?
15:00 john_minetest When it's central it can crash.
15:00 iqualfragile oh, great…
15:00 john_minetest People won't have the database any more, nothing would work without it.
15:01 john_minetest Like with the server database. When it's down and we didn't remember our favourite server we can't do anything.
15:01 iqualfragile you just would be unable to update your mods or get new mods ingame…
15:01 iqualfragile yeah, the server-database is a bad idea
15:02 NakedFury have 3 central databases around the world. when 1 crashes the next one takes the central position, and it keeps going in a circle
15:02 iqualfragile while the local server-list is great
15:02 john_minetest There should be several databases that are checked.
15:02 kaeza iqualfragile: cached db?
15:03 john_minetest The one having the newest timestamp on the mod is chosen as download db.
15:03 iqualfragile …
15:03 iqualfragile that would make me trust 300 parties instead of one
15:03 NakedFury many databases that are all updated at the same time and you can choose from which database to download[in case it is closer to you] and their purpose it to serve as backup for crashing emergencies of the primary one
15:05 iqualfragile guys, lets first have such a database, we can later switch to a distributed hashtable
15:06 kaeza well, so the DB *will* be in master then?
15:06 kaeza is that confirmed?
15:06 iqualfragile http://pastebin.com/62tJqGXR
15:06 kaeza s/DB/mod manager/
15:06 moltenbot Masters link: 16:06:45 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with iqualfragile  16:06:45 <iqua - Pastebin.com
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15:08 kaeza good
15:08 kaeza hi hmmmm
15:09 NakedFury looks like celeron is on board this idea
15:09 Jordach :o
15:09 Jordach :O
15:10 NakedFury thi new humble bundle has 10 games
15:10 NakedFury 9 and 1 movie
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15:16 kaeza jeez, somebody should teach that guy Ragnar about the 'edit' button
15:18 Jordach kaeza, same
15:20 john_minetest I am banned from Ragnar's server until further notice. I don't even know this server but I was against his t-shirt sales money distribution and he didn't like it.
15:20 john_minetest :D
15:22 Jordach ragnar is being a 8yr old again
15:22 Jordach deal with it.
15:22 john_minetest other topic: Databases. Distros like Archlinux use several databases. if one doesn't work you can choose an other one. all aviable DBs are saved in "mirrors.conf" or similar.
15:23 john_minetest /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
15:23 kizeren john_minetest: That was what I suggested to kaeza for a mod manager.
15:23 kaeza first, fck Arch; second, let's not start another Linux flamewar, and third, +1
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15:24 davidpace Hello All!
15:24 kaeza hi davidpace
15:24 john_minetest yeah, i meant this for the mod manager. and hi davidpace.
15:25 davidpace :-)
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15:31 marktraceur thexyz: If you think things will get cluttered, you can split them, else we can just have everything in main.
15:32 thexyz marktraceur: do you think single namespace is better?
15:32 marktraceur thexyz: I have a suspicion it might be, but the namespace thing would also give clear indication of what each article is about
15:34 thexyz marktraceur: you can think of structure and tell me later ^^
15:34 marktraceur thexyz: I'll ponder it on my commute
15:34 thexyz because I really don't know how should it look
15:43 markveidemanis anyone going to come on my server?
15:43 markveidemanis anyone?
15:48 kaeza markveidemanis: what mods do you have in there?
15:48 markveidemanis http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3954
15:49 kaeza meh
15:50 markveidemanis ?
15:50 kaeza since I'm a bit bored I'll try it
15:50 markveidemanis YAY
15:52 kaeza nice & fast
15:52 kaeza at least at login :)
15:55 kaeza a bit laggy
15:56 markveidemanis OldCoder
15:56 markveidemanis i am proving to him that people will join my server so he will host it on his VPS
15:57 markveidemanis 5 people online!
15:57 markveidemanis a record for me
15:58 kaeza too laggy for me now
15:58 kaeza but I like it
15:58 kizeren laggy yes can't see anything
15:58 leo_rockway somebody named mancho is the only one who ever joins my server.
15:58 leo_rockway I don't even join my server...
15:59 kaeza leo_rockway: IP por favor?
15:59 Exio lol
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16:00 iqualfragile oh, wow, that are quite some mods
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16:00 kaeza yeah, not like in that crappy site rub... o hai rubenwardy! :D
16:00 iqualfragile markveidemanis: moltenbot does not ignore you anymore
16:01 iqualfragile rubenwardy: can you adapt your mod-database to use the accounts from a punbb-forum?
16:02 leo_rockway kaeza: tekk.com.ar
16:02 kaeza leo_rockway: k
16:02 leo_rockway kaeza: you had already joined. You're even admin there.
16:03 kaeza my memory is bad :(
16:03 kaeza I should purchase a new one
16:03 leo_rockway DDR3
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16:03 Exio kaeza: as i said, http://downloadmoreram.com/!
16:04 Exio moltenbot: ping
16:04 kaeza !ping 127.0.0.1
16:04 moltenbot 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.024 ms
16:05 Exio Title: Download More RAM! (at downloadmoreram.com)
16:05 Exio ./nick Exiobot
16:05 rubenwardy (4:01:17 PM) iqualfragile: rubenwardy: can you adapt your mod-database to use the accounts from a punbb-forum?
16:05 rubenwardy I will be doing that soon, it should be easy.
16:05 rubenwardy (the hardest part is redoing the mod ownership)
16:06 iqualfragile that would be great, because celeron said he would host it (read the logs)
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16:07 rubenwardy i know, he told me
16:08 iqualfragile Exio: if you provide vaild urls moltenbot will answer: http://downloadmoreram.com/
16:08 moltenbot Masters link: Download More RAM!
16:08 kaeza heck, I'm lagging everywhere now
16:08 Exio ah, without the !?
16:08 iqualfragile jup
16:08 iqualfragile and: why the hell? who would belive that you can download ram?
16:09 kaeza Exio: moltenbot thinks it's part of the URL
16:09 Exio i saw kaeza
16:09 * rubenwardy is looking at the history#
16:09 Exio iqualfragile: joke :P
16:10 kaeza well, IDK if Exio could DL my keyboard last night
16:10 Exio hahaha
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16:11 kaeza Exio: I changed the link: http://house/trashcan/keyboard.rar
16:11 Exio why .rar?
16:11 kaeza duh
16:11 kaeza better compression?
16:11 Exio tar.lzma
16:11 rubenwardy <sapier> I don't think that'd be necessary if there was a mod browser in core reading db any mod creator will be eager to put her/his mod to that db
16:11 rubenwardy there should be some sort of rating system in there too
16:12 rubenwardy Minetest Extensions does that
16:12 kaeza (12:25:23) sapier: there should be some sort of rating system in there too
16:12 kaeza rubenwardy: ^
16:13 rubenwardy yeah, there is a like system
16:13 rubenwardy I just need someone to do some sliders
16:14 rubenwardy I dont have flash, and i have no idea how to start in js
16:14 kaeza don't ask me
16:14 rubenwardy i could do a radio button system
16:14 kaeza I suck at JS
16:14 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/manual/
16:15 leo_rockway ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <kaeza> ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE
16:15 sapier @rubenwardy sorry I've been busy for a while and don't quite get what do you intend to tell me?
16:15 leo_rockway hahaha
16:15 Exio lol
16:15 kaeza :P
16:15 leo_rockway it's an abandoned world o.o
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16:16 leo_rockway mancho does join up every day, apparently. And he builds stuff.
16:16 leo_rockway at least that's what the logs say
16:16 sapier i know there are mod lists doing this but no "official" one
16:16 kaeza I should say "WIIIIILSOOOOOOON!"
16:16 rubenwardy mine will be official soon
16:16 rubenwardy as soon as i implement punbb support
16:16 rubenwardy which is easy
16:17 sapier I'm looking forward to it :)
16:17 Jordach leo_rockway, whats your server ip?
16:17 kaeza leo_rockway: I saw a nice (?) tower with a blinky plant on top
16:17 * Jordach is interested
16:17 rubenwardy My minetest manual basis: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/manual/
16:17 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Minetest Manual
16:17 kaeza rubenwardy: +1
16:17 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest-manual
16:17 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: rubenwardy/minetest-manual ? GitHub
16:18 * Jordach loves beer
16:19 john_minetest kaeza: I always thought it was "Wilbur" or "Wilbert"... gonna look it up.
16:19 john_minetest Lol, it is really Wilson.
16:19 markveidemanis_ MY SERVER IS FULL NOW
16:19 kaeza john_minetest: spanish translators have the very bad habit of changing names
16:20 kaeza so I may be wrong
16:20 kaeza oh
16:20 kaeza nvm
16:20 rubenwardy sapier: Minetest Extensions is just a database with a HTML front, mod managers can get information from it.
16:20 rubenwardy the 3m mod manager is compatible with it
16:21 john_minetest Yeah. Wilson. Called after "Wilson Sporting Goods", says wikipedia :D.
16:21 * kaeza checks wikipedia
16:21 leo_rockway Jordach: tekk.com.ar
16:22 leo_rockway Wilson was the brand of the ball, I think. Not that I ever watched the movie, but I have seen balls of that brand, IIRC.
16:24 john_minetest "Wilson Sporting Goods"
16:24 kaeza yup
16:25 sapier @rubenwardy as I've told I'm looking forward for it to be included in minetest default game .. I've got 10+ mods it's lots of work to do packaging for each of it anytime I do a release .. by now to less ppl were using it to be worth it
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16:27 PilzAdam Tereasology has an interesting water flowing system
16:28 PilzAdam the flowing_water blocks are cubes too
16:29 markveidemanis_ everyone on my server: sorry for the lagg, using worldedit
16:30 sapier is there a way to tell mapgen not to create worlds in grand canyon style? I don't remember 0.4.3 generating that much clifs
16:30 kaeza rubenwardy: just a small suggestion, but what do you think of an installer for Windows?
16:31 kaeza I could help with that
16:31 VanessaE hi all..
16:31 kaeza o hai VanessaE
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16:31 rubenwardy minetest installer, or mod installer
16:31 rubenwardy ?
16:31 kaeza rubenwardy: minetest
16:31 rubenwardy minetest installer has been done, but it could be better
16:31 VanessaE brb
16:32 kaeza rubenwardy: do you have a link to it handy so I could review what's wrong?
16:33 Jordach VanessaE, hwy
16:33 Jordach hey*
16:33 rubenwardy no, i dont
16:34 kaeza ok
16:35 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2288
16:35 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Minetest Installer (windows-only) (Page 1) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums
16:35 rubenwardy kaeza
16:35 kaeza checking...
16:35 kaeza thanks
16:36 kaeza meh
16:36 kaeza link returns 404
16:37 kaeza (in the forum topic)
16:37 kaeza minetest-INSTALLER-0.4.dev-20120606-c57e508-win32.ZIP (4.89 MB) File is deleted.
16:38 kaeza I will try making a new one
16:39 * rubenwardy is starting the punbb account support process
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16:41 john_minetest Are there Linux binaries for minetest?
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16:42 Muadtralk yes
16:42 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/download.php
16:42 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: Download - Minetest
16:42 VanessaE back
16:42 rubenwardy VanessaE: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/manual/index.html
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16:43 Kacey hello
16:43 Kacey keaza neer got off i see
16:43 john_minetest rubenwardy: In the introduction, maybe say "Freedom" instead of "Free-ness"
16:43 Kacey never*
16:44 FreeFull Meow
16:44 VanessaE rubenwardy: the basic layout looks good.
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16:44 kaeza hi Kacey
16:44 kaeza hi VanessaE
16:44 VanessaE hi
16:46 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4204  <--- I beat out everyone else!?
16:46 VanessaE I claim sample bias! :-)
16:46 john_minetest rubenwardy: "installing minetest" and "installing mods" should be seperated a bit more. It confused me a bit.
16:47 kaeza Kacey: wot
16:47 Kacey VanessaE: i finished the decoder
16:47 VanessaE Kacey: screenshot?
16:47 Kacey later let me get this whole device finished
16:47 kaeza VanessaE: kudos
16:47 kaeza ;)
16:48 VanessaE kaeza: ok
16:48 rubenwardy (4:46:49 PM) john_minetest: rubenwardy: "installing minetest" and "inst ... done
16:48 rubenwardy done
16:48 kaeza WOW I got 5 votes!! ^_^
16:48 * Jordach still finds it funny that no one has voted except for the well known members
16:49 kaeza thanks guys :)
16:49 Muadtralk a vote?
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16:50 Muadtralk where?
16:50 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4204
16:50 moltenbot rubenwardy's link: [Poll] Respected Community Members (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
16:51 Muadtralk ahem why is mijyn and lkjoel counted as seperate votes?
16:51 Muadtralk under number 10
16:51 Muadtralk he is listed twice
16:51 Jordach they are the same dude/dudette
16:51 rubenwardy oh
16:52 Kacey i need to be in that...
16:52 NakedFury those that left should get an automatic -2 votes as penalty
16:52 rubenwardy fixed
16:55 john_minetest rubenwardy: maybe make 2 seperate pages for "installing minetest" and "installing mods". This would look better.
16:55 rubenwardy yeah
16:55 M13 rudenwardy, PM?
16:56 rubenwardy if you would like.
16:58 Kacey 5 programmed in
16:59 Kacey one-third of the way done....
16:59 Kacey brb
17:00 M13 celeron55
17:01 rubenwardy M13: oldcoder could help
17:01 M13 he in sleeping
17:01 M13 ill wait intel he wakes
17:03 Jordach s/intel/until
17:03 kaeza *intel* celeron @ 55 MHz?
17:05 M13 <kaeza> *intel* celeron @ 55 MHz?
17:05 M13 damn thats fast
17:05 M13 lol
17:06 kaeza ;)
17:06 rubenwardy bye all
17:06 kaeza bye rw
17:07 VanessaE seeya
17:08 M13 VanessaE
17:08 PilzAdam hi VanessaE
17:08 VanessaE hi
17:08 M13 PM??
17:08 VanessaE sure
17:08 M13 ok
17:10 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59979#p59979
17:10 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Mese has changed! (Page 2) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
17:13 VanessaE answered.
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17:15 PilzAdam VanessaE, you get it wrong
17:16 VanessaE what?
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17:18 PilzAdam VanessaE, old mese blocks will be converted to new ones (no building will be destroyed); crystals in stone is generated instead of the old mese blocks (like in current git); mese blocks are craftable into 4 crystals and vise versa; mese blocks are generated very deep underground
17:18 PilzAdam this could be a good solution
17:19 VanessaE mese blocks are already craftable - from 9 crystals (and vice versa_
17:19 PilzAdam still the same
17:19 Calinou someone's using qwerty
17:19 VanessaE it doesn't solve the problem though
17:19 Calinou hi :)
17:19 PilzAdam well, it does
17:20 VanessaE people want their old black-on-yellow mese objects is the problem
17:20 PilzAdam thats only a texture thing
17:20 VanessaE no
17:20 VanessaE it's a nodename thing also
17:20 VanessaE it *HAS TO BE* default:mese or the object becomes worthless.
17:20 VanessaE (because then it doesn't work in any recipe)
17:20 PilzAdam sure, name the new mese block mese
17:21 PilzAdam wheres the problem?
17:21 VanessaE the new block should not generate underground - it's a craftable block, not a naturally-occuring object
17:21 VanessaE same reason we don't spawn steel blocks underground
17:21 PilzAdam diamonds are also underground in RL
17:22 VanessaE but not diamond *blocks*
17:22 PilzAdam diamonds are compressed carbon
17:22 PilzAdam and mese blocks are compressed mese crystals
17:22 VanessaE incorrect - diamonds are compressed *coal*.  Not compressed carbon.
17:23 PilzAdam this doesnt change anything
17:23 NakedFury just fuck the chage if you still want those blocks to be generated otherwise just generate crystals and from that craft mese blocks
17:23 VanessaE the carbon in a diamond is the crystal lattice arrangement of the carbon atoms therein, with some impurities.  The carbon is not compressed any tighter than any other carbon compound
17:23 iqualfragile VanessaE: you know what coal consists of?
17:23 iqualfragile carbon
17:23 VanessaE iqualfragile: carbon, mostly.
17:23 M13 VanessaE, I got a ssh server up
17:23 iqualfragile and the rest is not in the diamonds
17:23 VanessaE iqualfragile: but coal is carbon + air + a lot of stuff that doesn't burn
17:24 PilzAdam generating mese blocks deep underground would prevent the inconsistency in the use of old and new mese
17:24 Calinou M13: thanks
17:24 Calinou 8D
17:24 iqualfragile so: diamonds are compressed diamonds
17:24 iqualfragile ühm…
17:24 leo_rockway hey, bro, I heard you like diamonds...
17:24 iqualfragile so: diamods are compressed carbon
17:24 Calinou M13: consider 1) using a custom port for SSH, 2) using a (very) strong password :P
17:24 leo_rockway using ssh keys
17:25 leo_rockway and disabling password login through ssh
17:25 VanessaE iqualfragile: still doesn't change the fact that diamond blocks don't exist in nature
17:25 leo_rockway and disabling root login
17:25 Calinou under buntus, root login is disabled by default
17:25 PilzAdam VanessaE, i thought we were talking about mese
17:25 Calinou ssh keys are overrated
17:25 Calinou overcomplicated, too
17:25 Kacey 6 coded in
17:25 Calinou use very long passwords, like, at least 50 characters
17:25 VanessaE PilzAdam: you started it :-)
17:26 iqualfragile VanessaE: there are, the largest diamonds found are gigantic!
17:26 NakedFury under that rule we should also have iron blocks deep underground
17:27 NakedFury and coal blocks too
17:27 PilzAdam NakedFury, no, because mese is something special
17:28 leo_rockway Calinou: I think 50 characters passwords are more complicated than a key
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17:28 NakedFury yep, it has an ugly texture
17:28 Calinou leo_rockway: less 8)
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17:28 VanessaE iqualfragile: the largest diamond in the world is still "only" about 3100 carats
17:28 Calinou you need something like 600 characters (a-z A-Z 0-9) if you want as much security
17:28 M13 Calinou, PM
17:28 M13 can you help?
17:28 Calinou but if you use special chars, it gets much better
17:29 VanessaE not sure how that translates to geometric size though.
17:29 Calinou use non-ASCII maybe
17:29 Calinou eg. é, ×
17:29 VanessaE certainly less than 1m cube :-)
17:29 Calinou (are these allowed in UNIX passwords?)
17:29 VanessaE and there's only one of those in the world.
17:29 leo_rockway Calinou: most likely.
17:29 iqualfragile NakedFury: no, you need to smelt ore before you got iron-blocks
17:29 Kacey my guy in minetest is super strong
17:30 Kacey he carries around tons of stone
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17:31 VanessaE PilzAdam: at any rate..  old mese should go away over time.
17:31 leo_rockway Kacey: that's because he was part of an alien experiment
17:31 VanessaE if we keep generating it, at any depth, it will never go away, which defeats the whole purpose of the new mese model.
17:32 VanessaE and if that's the case you may as well revert my "new mese" commit and relegate it to some obscure mod that no one will ever use.
17:32 Kacey lol
17:32 VanessaE (of course I'd prefer that didn't happen)
17:33 devlab i'm curious if the developer of the lavacooling mod is here, Hello
17:33 Kacey Max made that i think....
17:34 Kacey who does it say on the forums...
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17:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: so what's the decision here?  Is old mese deprecated in favor of the new model, or was this all a bunch of wasted work?
17:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, what do you think about this: https://gist.github.com/4400060 ?
17:36 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: gist:4400060
17:36 kaeza we are making efforts to make a wider audience aware of minetest, so, IMHO, a wacky yellow block defeats also the purpise of this initiative. Those who want it for nostalgia should use the new_mese (or whatchacallit) mof
17:36 * VanessaE looks
17:36 PilzAdam it converts old mese into the new block and spawns crystals
17:37 kaeza purpose* mod*
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17:37 VanessaE PilzAdam: why do you craft old mese out of 6 crystals, but it crafts back to 9 crystals?
17:38 PilzAdam no
17:38 PilzAdam the diff is just cut off
17:38 Muadtralk VanessaE and Pilzadam Meseblocks cant be used as fuel
17:38 VanessaE oh right, diff artifact.
17:38 Muadtralk why is this?
17:38 VanessaE Muadtralk: use a crystal.
17:38 Muadtralk no
17:38 Muadtralk but im saying
17:38 Muadtralk if something is made out of burnable crystals
17:39 Muadtralk it should be burnable as well
17:39 PilzAdam yea, Ill remove that
17:39 Zeg9 PilzAdam, I like your idea of having mese blocks spawning deeper
17:39 PilzAdam (the burnable crystal)
17:39 PilzAdam Zeg9, will add this maybe
17:39 PilzAdam and it wasnt my idea
17:39 Muadtralk or just add burnable mese_blocks
17:39 leo_rockway so mese == dilitium \o/
17:39 Muadtralk cause thats what i use as fuel anyway
17:39 Zeg9 Well, I like someone's idea of spawning mese blocks deeper :D
17:39 VanessaE PilzAdam: this gist is on top of my unmerged commit?
17:40 NakedFury make 2 versions. one to please you all and the other for people that just dont want a block with words on it and would like to move forward and not be stuck in the past
17:40 PilzAdam nope
17:40 kaeza Muadtralk: why not use plain coal?
17:40 PilzAdam VanessaE, on top of git
17:40 PilzAdam *current git
17:40 VanessaE ok
17:40 Muadtralk cause mese used to burn better
17:40 Muadtralk and old habits die hard
17:40 PilzAdam it basically is your patch but without the "old_mese" block
17:41 kaeza Muadtralk: yes, but coal is much more easy to find
17:41 VanessaE PilzAdam: ok, merge it I guess.
17:41 kaeza I have like 10000 coal lumps (literally)
17:41 PilzAdam Jeija, https://gist.github.com/4400060 if this gets upstream you have to change mesecons; mesecons wire recipe overrides the block -> 9 crystals recipe
17:41 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: gist:4400060
17:41 Muadtralk then mese should burn longer
17:41 VanessaE PilzAdam: he already did that.  cook a crystal to get mesecons wires.
17:42 Calinou mese shouldn't be an efficient fuel
17:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, the old recipe (mese -> 16 wires) is still there and overrides the default recipe
17:42 kaeza yeah
17:42 Muadtralk why shouldnt it be?
17:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: ohh
17:42 Muadtralk its a fossil fuel
17:42 Muadtralk :P
17:42 PilzAdam @all I removed the mese burn functionality
17:42 Muadtralk no!!!!
17:42 Calinou NO
17:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: well go ahead and merge it I guess
17:42 kaeza yes!!
17:42 Calinou PLEASE PUT GNOME 2 BACK
17:42 Calinou oops, wrong channel
17:43 devlab lol
17:43 Muadtralk time to make a mese burning mod :P
17:43 kaeza lol
17:43 Jordach i dont think Calinou was in the wrong channel
17:43 PilzAdam VanessaE, there is still 1 thing to discuss: should mese blocks be spawned _*very*_ rare?
17:43 kaeza Muadtralk: go ahead ;)
17:43 VanessaE incredibly so.
17:43 Jordach near -7000 to -31000
17:43 VanessaE if you spawn them at all,
17:43 Jeija No, please not!
17:44 VanessaE they should be no less than 1/9 as frequent as mese-in-stone
17:44 kaeza MESE picks are an extremely powerful tool
17:44 Jeija I'd say spawn very few even higher than currently, maybe all in all make it rarer
17:44 kaeza so it should be more rare
17:44 Calinou VanessaE: did you make mese rarer when making them blocks and crystals?
17:44 kaeza oh nvm
17:44 Calinou should be a bit rarer imo
17:44 NakedFury spawn them at 31990 deep so we can only see them for 10 blocks before its over
17:44 VanessaE (er, 1/9 as frequent or even less frequent than that)
17:44 VanessaE Calinou: no.
17:44 Calinou minetest shouldn't be an easy game :P
17:44 VanessaE I did not.
17:44 Jeija wait....are we talking about mese blocks or mese ore?
17:45 Calinou ore
17:45 PilzAdam VanessaE, there are currently 2 generate_ore() functions for mese; should I just change the first one to block?
17:45 Calinou also, why not add very rare mese blocks like PilzAdam said?
17:45 Jeija because VanessaE started a conversation about spawning blocks...
17:45 Muadtralk i think that mese should only be down very very far
17:45 Calinou and make ore rarer
17:45 PilzAdam VanessaE, and make it deeper
17:45 Jordach thats what she said!
17:45 VanessaE Jeija: default:stone_with_mese as often as default:mese was, default:mese_block 1/9 as often as that, and yes certainly way deeper.
17:46 Jeija That sounds good, VanessaE!
17:46 Muadtralk after all the depth of minetest is massive
17:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: mese blocks at Y=-1000 and lower.
17:46 Muadtralk why not use it!
17:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: if they're 9 times as valuable, they should be 8-9 times as lower since they need more pressure
17:47 Jeija -1000 actually is a lot; maybe better -400?
17:47 NakedFury why 1/9? why not 1/64? or something massive
17:47 kaeza hmm... there really should be an ultra-mega-extremely rare material at -30000 and below :)
17:47 PilzAdam Jeija, you get 9 (!) crystals with one block
17:47 Jordach it should be called the core
17:47 VanessaE PilzAdam: I don't see a recipe in your gist to do anything with default:mese_block.  It should craft into 9 crystals.
17:48 Muadtralk soulstone1
17:48 Muadtralk !*
17:48 PilzAdam default:mese_block => default:mese
17:48 kaeza DarkStone! (TM)
17:48 Muadtralk it needs to be red
17:48 VanessaE *facepalm*
17:48 Jordach because the mese has become so pressurized it became a new element that burns
17:49 Muadtralk make it ignite things!
17:49 Muadtralk when placed near
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17:49 * marktraceur shouts out suggestions too
17:49 Calinou let's add ultrabooks
17:49 kaeza and hurt the player while item is in inventory! :)
17:49 Calinou you can't craft them into anything
17:49 VanessaE guys come on
17:49 VanessaE please
17:49 Calinou but they'll be overvalued by players
17:49 Muadtralk yep!
17:49 marktraceur Earth's crust ends at about -30KM, start a mantle-like substance then!
17:49 Jordach like nyan cats
17:50 kaeza Jordach: +1
17:50 Calinou +1 Jordach
17:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: can you compile your other suggested changes and show me a diff against git from before my change?
17:50 Muadtralk oy we dont want nyancats to be that common
17:50 Calinou flammable mese much
17:50 kaeza umm... nyancat hell?
17:50 leo_rockway nyan cats have the whole copyright issue
17:50 john_minetest there should be poisons like in minecraft
17:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: so I can see the whole mese tree in one shot?
17:50 Muadtralk tac nayn!
17:50 Jordach john_minetest, FUCK NO.
17:50 marktraceur Add in Olivine! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivine
17:50 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Olivine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:50 PilzAdam VanessaE, here current diff: https://gist.github.com/4400209
17:50 thexyz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4240
17:50 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: gist:4400209
17:50 moltenbot thexyz's link: xyz's Minetest win32 builds (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
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17:51 markveidemanis http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3954
17:51 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: MarkVeidemanis' Server (Page 1) - Servers - Minetest Forums
17:51 markveidemanis have i not been blocked bby the bots?
17:51 kaeza Jordach: and the material should be so powerful it obliterates the chests it is put on along with all the other items :D
17:51 marktraceur Mantle should be 2900KM thick, rich in Olivine, and of varying stability
17:51 PilzAdam VanessaE, and heres a branch: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/mese
17:51 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: PilzAdam/minetest_game at mese ? GitHub
17:51 VanessaE PilzAdam: can you generate that diff against git from say commti hash 95cbfc50d8f[...] ?
17:52 VanessaE I'm having trouble reading the code
17:52 Calinou http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/32575377.jpg
17:52 Jordach Calinou, high five
17:52 marktraceur markveidemanis: Could you please keep the server announces down?
17:52 kaeza Calinou: lol
17:52 marktraceur Calinou: Dosequisite?
17:53 Jordach we should name it solaris
17:53 marktraceur Beergem mod: On the way! :P
17:53 kaeza lol randomterrorist
17:53 kaeza marktraceur: +1
17:53 PilzAdam VanessaE, wait, the branch is empty
17:53 Muadtralk ive done it! ive updated erlehmanns cube mod!
17:53 markveidemanis sure
17:54 Jordach bbl
17:54 Jordach installing xubuntu on my third partition
17:54 markveidemanis when will OldCoder be back?!
17:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/mese
17:55 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: PilzAdam/minetest_game at mese ? GitHub
17:55 PilzAdam ^ git diff 95cbfc50d8f7fc492f6def60720e355fdd0f62c1 HEAD
17:55 PilzAdam oh, damn, wait
17:56 iqualfragile third partition? ulol, i have about 5
17:57 Muadtralk i got you beat with 6
17:57 Muadtralk :P
17:57 PilzAdam VanessaE, the mese branch on my GitHub is now with the changes
17:57 iqualfragile i have just checked: 6 here, too
17:57 PilzAdam forget all the diffs
17:57 iqualfragile but i guess i can remove some of them soon
17:58 VanessaE PilzAdam: let's do this:  revert my commit 1bf62bbad4[...], revert the one you just made, re-apply and rebase.
17:58 VanessaE so I can see all of the code changes in one commit
17:59 PilzAdam umm... no?
17:59 VanessaE I just can't make any sense of it
18:00 PilzAdam VanessaE, reset your head to some old commit (the one before the first mese change) then merge my mese branch and look at the merge commit diff
18:01 marktraceur thexyz: I think it would be better to mix both mod and core docs in the main namespace, it seems like there would be minimal overlap, and any overlap we do find can be solved with a disambiguation notice. I'd save the Mod: namespace for actually documenting individual mods.
18:01 VanessaE reading..
18:02 PilzAdam VanessaE, heres a diff from 95cb to my changes: https://gist.github.com/4400320
18:02 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: gist:4400320
18:02 thexyz marktraceur: what do we plan to document in core, to start with, every .cpp file? every class?
18:03 marktraceur thexyz: Probably classes, functions, and general ideas. Also code conventions, procedures, communication methods.
18:03 thexyz fine
18:03 marktraceur thexyz: Basically the idea is to make it possible to learn about core development on the wiki
18:03 thexyz should it be moved to dev.minetest.net?
18:03 marktraceur "Hey how do I do X" -> we can point them to a wiki page
18:04 marktraceur thexyz: I'd suggest either wiki.minetest.net or dev.minetest.net, yes
18:04 marktraceur But the api subdomain can still point to it
18:04 thexyz i prefer dev., and redirect api. to it
18:04 PilzAdam thexyz, have there been any decision to put dev and api wiki together?
18:04 thexyz yeah
18:04 marktraceur Sounds good
18:05 marktraceur PilzAdam: Rest assured that you won't be dragged screaming into core dev :)
18:05 marktraceur PilzAdam: Not that I think it's a bad idea for you to check it out, but it's only there for you if you want to try it.
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18:08 john_minetest Crafting recipes of all mods should be maintained in the wiki at wiki.minetest.net . Or at least for a lot of mods.
18:08 thexyz john_minetest: there's no wiki.minetest.net
18:09 Calinou <iqualfragile> third partition? ulol, i have about 5
18:09 Calinou extended partitions ftl
18:09 * Calinou uses msdos partition table, forgot to set to gpt when creating table
18:09 iqualfragile aww patt patt
18:09 Calinou 4 primary patitions, one is unused because ubiquity said "no" to UEFI
18:10 Calinou and extended is slow as hell
18:10 john_minetest http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Minetest_Wiki
18:10 thexyz PilzAdam: are you still against it?
18:10 thexyz john_minetest: it's minetest.COM, not .NET
18:11 PilzAdam thexyz, I think it would be better to seperate but I'm also happy if it gets into 1
18:11 john_minetest yeah, when i clicked on "wiki" on minetest net, i just read "wiki.minetest" and thought i was on the same domain.
18:11 thexyz yes, and this is the problem too, too many external sites
18:14 marktraceur sapier1: Hey, was just wondering
18:14 john_minetest maybe everything should be on minetest.net and minetest.com should redirect to minetest.net
18:14 marktraceur sapier1: I've had multiple people ask me about adding your mob framework to the LibrePlanet server
18:14 marktraceur sapier1: But I keep telling them I can't because it's not free software
18:15 marktraceur sapier1: Any chance you could distribute it under unmodified GPLv2+?
18:15 PilzAdam thexyz, what do you think: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/9d2a2f91791b667dab257ea34818d111c2e48049 ?
18:15 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Convert old mese to the new mese block and generate it deep underground ?  9d2a2f9 ? PilzAdam/minetest_game ? GitHub
18:16 markveidemanis how can i USE the minetestserver console window?
18:17 markveidemanis like grant anfd revoke
18:17 marktraceur markveidemanis: It's not a shell, you can't issue commands from it
18:17 kaeza markveidemanis: <troll>use Ctrl+C to paste</troll>
18:18 kaeza </badtroll>
18:18 leo_rockway kaeza: that's a bad troll... Ctrl+C is copy o.o
18:18 PilzAdam updated: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/58f3330aca85b7b0f45febc38644dfda86d95dbb
18:18 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Convert old mese to the new mese block and generate it deep underground ?  58f3330 ? PilzAdam/minetest_game ? GitHub
18:18 kaeza my trolling is bad, and I should feel bad :(
18:18 markveidemanis how i craft the mesecons command block
18:18 khonkhortisan select with mouse, then middle mouse click to paste
18:20 markveidemanis http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3954[18:18] <+moltenbot> PilzAdam's link: Convert old mese to the new mese block and generate it deep underground
18:20 moltenbot markveidemanis's link: MarkVeidemanis' Server (Page 1) - Servers - Minetest Forums
18:20 markveidemanis whoops
18:21 thexyz alt+printscr+e to copy, alt+printscr+i to paste
18:22 khonkhortisan that does a reboot, no?
18:22 khonkhortisan sigterm, sigkill
18:22 thexyz alt+sysrq+r does
18:22 PilzAdam alt + printscreen + r = rebbot
18:22 PilzAdam o = shutdown
18:22 Calinou lol
18:23 marktraceur markveidemanis: Quit it with the server announces
18:23 devlab reboot what?
18:23 markveidemanis i did middle click
18:23 Calinou it's not like we are in a shortage of servers
18:23 markveidemanis sorry
18:23 Calinou devlab: computer... :P
18:23 Calinou we have too many servers actually
18:24 devlab su , init 6
18:24 khonkhortisan you can't just walk up to a random person's computer and type su, sysrq is much easier to do damage with
18:25 devlab that works if magic sysrq is on
18:25 khonkhortisan brrrrrrrrrrrrrr the garbage truck is idling a street away and won't move
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18:27 jordach there, just waiting on finalising the install
18:28 PilzAdam jordach, what do you think: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/d53b16de2589506dbd3a3d84e7f3a316aea10ade ?
18:28 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Convert old mese to the new mese block and generate it deep underground ?  d53b16d ? PilzAdam/minetest_game ? GitHub
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18:28 devlab IMHO, i think ALT + SysRq + B should be last resort
18:28 jordach jeez -- my system is only running from 1gb of ram
18:29 jordach PilzAdam: nice
18:29 jordach its almost done
18:33 thexyz oops, it was B, not R
18:33 PilzAdam Ill push this mese changes upstream
18:33 thexyz r is for unraw
18:33 devlab haha
18:33 jordach PilzAdam: sorry, but run this through VanessaE first
18:34 PilzAdam Im doing this in PM right now
18:34 jordach oh heck
18:34 jordach OldCoder: you about?
18:35 thexyz devlab: in case of frozen pc REISUB is fine
18:35 devlab thexyz: i know, hence 'last resort'
18:36 OldCoder jordach, Yes
18:36 leo_rockway raising elephants is so utterly boring
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18:36 devlab yep
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18:47 sokomine does anyone of you have more detailed knowledge about the internal function of formspecs?
18:48 Muadtralk ello people I am having an issue.
18:48 Muadtralk 08:46:39: ERROR[ServerThread]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "cement:cement_source" at (-13,11,14) (block (-1,0,0))
18:48 Muadtralk happens when I place liquid cement
18:50 sokomine there was something connected to this error but i don't remember :-( something with node not loaded? search for it in the forum
18:50 PilzAdam Muadtralk, the liquid_alternative_flowing field in the cement source has an unkown node
18:50 PilzAdam this causes the error
18:52 Muadtralk ahhhh
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18:54 sokomine really no one who has some knowledge that may help me to locate the necessary things faster? :-(
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18:55 sokomine well...maybe i'm not asking the right questions
18:55 kaeza thexyz: you here?
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18:56 Zeg9 brb
18:57 thexyz kaeza: yep
18:57 kaeza could you try this one? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59987#p59987
18:57 moltenbot kaeza's link: xyz's Minetest win32 builds (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
18:58 kaeza hope this helps somehow
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19:01 thexyz kaeza: I prefer portable versions
19:02 Calinou only use of portable is if you want to carry the game on an USB drive or something like that
19:02 kaeza thexyz: the installer version could be useful for those users not comfortable with that
19:02 Calinou I build without run-in-place, user data stays in .minetest and can be read by any build regardless of version
19:03 thexyz kaeza: you're free to make your own thread with installers
19:03 kaeza thexyz: k
19:04 kaeza nvm then
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19:08 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Convert old mese to the new mese block and generate it deep underground 33ec25caed 2012-12-28T11:05:40-08:00
19:09 PilzAdam If anyone still want to complain about the new mese then got play 0.3.1
19:09 john_minetest I have 3 run-in-place and one "normal" minetest version on my Laptop. The name stays the same so run-in-place is nice if you want to test several versions/forks.
19:10 john_minetest lol, i never used the old mese :D
19:10 john_minetest *new mese
19:10 ecube new mese
19:10 ecube what's new mese?
19:11 PilzAdam crystals
19:11 OldCoder Is the debate settled?
19:11 PilzAdam if you mine crystals in stone (wich is generated) you get 1 crystal; 9 crystals give one mese block (and vise versa) that equals old mese
19:12 PilzAdam OldCoder, seems so
19:12 PilzAdam and the old mese is converted to the new blocks
19:12 PilzAdam so the only thing that will change on existing maps is the texture of the block
19:14 john_minetest getting the fourth run-in-place minetest version now... :D
19:14 kaeza meh
19:14 kaeza I'm out
19:14 kaeza see you
19:14 sapier1 @marktraceur I've once told in mobf forum thread I'm going to switch to gpl as soon as anyone substantially contributes to mobf. Until that happens the "non commercial" license addon will be preserved. ;-)
19:14 kaeza :)
19:14 ecube nice
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19:14 PilzAdam oh, damn, I accidentally clicked on the "Wiki" button in minetest_game
19:15 marktraceur sapier1: Well, you've driven away myself as a contributor and a user, so it won't happen based on me
19:15 thexyz PilzAdam: huh, >Last edited by celeron55, a minute ago
19:16 PilzAdam thexyz, thats happens when someone clicks on the wiki button
19:16 thexyz oh
19:17 PilzAdam c55 has fixed it already
19:18 sapier1 @marktraceur may I know how I did this?
19:19 marktraceur sapier1: By using a non-free license, like I said
19:19 sapier1 What do you mean with "non-free"?
19:19 sokomine ah, hi sapier. i tested the newest version yesterday :-)
19:20 sapier1 @sokomine plz tell a number I'm releasing very fast atm ... 1.9.x is still lot too buggy
19:21 sokomine the models of the animals are very nice. only problem where a sheep moving around while in lying-down-position, cows moving sideways/backwards and heads of cows growing extremly large while eating (that way they look almost like monsters)
19:21 marktraceur sapier1: Your license has restrictions on it that disallow using the software in some ways, leaving your users with less freedoms than they could have.
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19:22 sapier1 @marktraceur then in your oppinion gplv2 ain't free either
19:22 sokomine seems like 1.9.2; though that is mentioned twice in the changelog
19:22 sapier1 then its 1.9.3 ... missed to change that number in README
19:22 marktraceur sapier1: Not totally, but I am happy to inconvenience those who want to create non-free software. I'm not willing to inconvenience someone who's trying to make a living.
19:23 thexyz sapier1: why did you make such modification to gplv2, in first place?
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19:24 marktraceur Because CC-BY-SA-NC isn't for software, I guess
19:25 sapier1 My intention was to prevent someone making money with my work without contributing anything ... I know this won't match most ppl in here but if I'd released in unmodified gplv2 I can't take that back
19:26 marktraceur sapier1: You may get your wish, someone may make money with it by creating a competing mod that isn't tied down by a non-free license
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19:27 sokomine sounds reasonable. some time ago distributions where helpful to get distributions out to users. nowerdays this is a service less needed (the putting things on cds/dvd to avoid download)
19:27 thexyz hm.. "personal benefit" == $$$?
19:27 john_minetest How can i convert mese crystal fragments back to the old mese block?
19:27 Jordach nope. xubuntu failed on installing GRUB. BASTARD.
19:27 ecube 9 crystals i think, right?
19:28 john_minetest okay... how can i convert the fragments back to crystals?
19:28 thexyz Jordach: install it by hand then
19:28 Jordach thexyz, im not arch linux
19:28 sapier1 Of course you may, I don't have any problems wit it ... by the way if I'd release under GPL then it'd be gplv3 ... which noone gonna use, having patents
19:29 marktraceur sapier1: I would prefer GPLv3, actually
19:29 thexyz oh, sorry, i forgot it, Jordach, mark shuttleworth stops you from doing it, right?
19:30 sapier1 @marktraceur what "free" licenses would you accept? probably there's one out having an non-commercial rule too ;)
19:31 marktraceur sapier1: I'd really prefer GPLv3, since it stops non-free development based on your work. But I'd accept anything that allows re-licensing to GPLv3, so long as it didn't include the noncommercial clause
19:31 sapier1 so you demand gplv3 only ... not quite "free"
19:31 marktraceur sapier1: I've relicensed all the mods on the LPGC server to GPLv3, most modders are helpful enough to license that way or use WTFPL
19:32 sapier1 apache for example may not be relicensed within glp but is more free
19:32 NakedFury so gpl3 would be the best license now? I would not want people to stop using my stuff with editing and modifying but I would like to receive credit. is gpl3 for that?
19:32 marktraceur sapier1: apache can be relicensed, I remember that specifically
19:32 thexyz huh.. relicensing wtfpl to gplv3, who is bad guy now?
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19:33 sapier1 If you relicense to glv3 you're taking away freedom ;-) ... not quite consequent  ..
19:33 marktraceur sapier1: I take away the freedom to deny freedom to others. I don't see that as bad.
19:34 marktraceur Congress also takes away the freedom to commit murder, but that's certainly not bad.
19:34 sapier1 so this licens thing is to enforce YOUR personal license preference ... plz don't blame me for mine
19:34 marktraceur sapier1: I don't. I intend to rewrite the mob framework if necessary.
19:35 marktraceur sapier1: If you want to license it under apache or wtfpl or MIT, I'd also be fine with that.
19:35 NakedFury marktraceur I think in this case taking our "freedom or right" to kill and steal is a good idea
19:35 sapier1 you wanna relicense anything to YOUR personal preference
19:36 marktraceur sapier1: Generally, yes. But that's part of the freedom you allow when you license under a permissive license.
19:36 sapier1 If you wanna ensure some minimum freedom I'd accept this but I don't accept you're taking away freedom of code beeing more free than your one
19:36 thexyz there's almost no point in using gpl for mods as you should only provide sources when distributing binary packages
19:36 thexyz agpl suits better for that case
19:37 john_minetest zlib style license is also an option.
19:37 marktraceur thexyz: Don't think I haven't considered it....my impression is that this community doesn't like *normal* GPL, and they'd probably never use AGPL.
19:37 sapier1 @thexyz true I was wondering if gpl is correct too
19:37 sokomine yes, with mods beeing only usable as source, much of the goal of the gpl does not apply
19:38 sapier1 a simple question if a mod is gplv3 can it be run in minetest at all without relicensing minetest to gplv3
19:39 marktraceur Yeah, totally.
19:39 sapier1 thats your oppinion ...
19:39 marktraceur The purpose of moving to lgpl was to increase the allowable licenses, not decrease.
19:39 thexyz marktraceur: yeah, and I prefer wtfpl for small mods and MIT/BSD (what's the difference btw?) for large ones
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19:40 marktraceur thexyz: BSD has some clauses about copyright statements IIRC
19:40 marktraceur Maybe that was MIT?
19:40 * marktraceur doesn't know, look it up
19:40 sapier1 bsd licens allows linking your code staticaly without poisoning your code with gpl
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19:40 sokomine i'm not very familiar with the details of the diffrent liscences. it is difficult to keep track of them. the required liscence for mods in the forum is a problem as well
19:41 john_minetest I always use wtfpl for the stuff i contribute. skins and small mods.
19:41 john_minetest but a huge mod... idk what license i would take.
19:41 thexyz sapier1: wait, how can BSD allow that if GPL requires the opposite?
19:42 thexyz oh, it seems I got it wrong
19:42 sapier1 bsd is more free than gpl
19:43 mauvebic new economy mod https://sites.google.com/site/mauvemods/home/nodex
19:43 moltenbot mauvebic's link: nodex - mauvemods
19:43 sapier1 in company environment bsd is prefered as you ain't forced to open source your intelectual property
19:43 leo_rockway AGPL is the best license for protecting one's mod, IMO.
19:43 Jordach yes
19:43 sokomine yes. for small mods wtfpl seems most useful. if it's hardly more than a couple of (usually very useful and nicely textured!) nodes - that's not more than filling out a form or giving sample code somewhere. anyone who wants the mod behave diffrent can change it (even from memory...) or take as a sample for another mod
19:43 mauvebic what makes AGPL different though?
19:43 leo_rockway mauvebic: GPL is a license applied to distribution.
19:43 leo_rockway when you have a mod on a server, you're not distributing it.
19:44 sapier1 @marktraceur there's a simple way to make mobf glpv3 create some 3d models write some tests and it's gonna be gplv3 ... far less work than completely rewriting it
19:44 leo_rockway so you can modify it and not provide patches
19:44 leo_rockway or not provide source at all
19:44 mauvebic sounds tricky lol
19:44 leo_rockway mauvebic: it is.
19:45 NakedFury this license stuff just creates headaches
19:45 sapier1 I've been releasing in wtfp some mods too ... so the non-commercial rule was just a experimental way to motivate ppl helping me ;-)
19:45 mauvebic yeah i simply prefer license that spell out clearly the do's and do not's
19:45 leo_rockway mauvebic: that's how it happened. There was a website (idr the name anymore) that took the source of Pidgin and started providing an instant messenger service. They never provided source...
19:45 sapier1 by now it didn't work ... true
19:45 thexyz NakedFury: then choose wtfpl
19:45 leo_rockway that's how the AGPL came to be.
19:46 marktraceur sapier1: I'm not going to contribute to the project while it's licensed under the non-free bastardized GPL. I don't write non-free software.
19:46 mauvebic lol this again
19:46 sapier1 gplv2/3 ain't free either ;-)
19:46 leo_rockway it's GNU vs BSD all over again D:
19:46 marktraceur sapier1: I don't contribute indirectly to non-free software either, hence the copyleft.
19:47 sapier1 btw what about a modified wtfp limiting relicensing ;-)
19:47 sapier1 you do have a somehow strange oppinion of "free"
19:47 leo_rockway sapier1: you could use Sun's license if you just want to make it GPL incompatible.
19:47 leo_rockway ccpl, I think it's called
19:48 sapier1 nooo ... I don't wanna make it incompatible ... my only intention was to stop ppl from earning money with my work without contributing ;)
19:48 leo_rockway CDDL <-- this one
19:48 leo_rockway oh, okay
19:48 marktraceur sapier1: If you're set on using a non-free license, just keep doing that. No reason to change if your intent is to stop people from that.
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19:49 Jakssoul I love you guys./
19:50 thexyz sapier1: "do what the fuck you want except relicensing"? makes no sense at all
19:50 sapier1 @marktraceur if you insist on "non free" or not
19:50 mauvebic its funny that religous discussions aren't allowed but the free software zealotry is ok lol
19:50 sapier1 I'm gonna license cddl ...
19:50 sapier1 wich is officially free
19:50 Jakssoul mauvebic, what are you talking about?
19:50 sapier1 @thexyz ... I know was a bad example
19:50 thexyz sapier1: just saying, that's not twitter, you don't have to prefix nicknames with @
19:50 mauvebic just pointing out how religiously some ppl take oss lol
19:51 PilzAdam mauvebic, we had religious disscussions here
19:51 marktraceur sapier1: Is it copyleft?
19:51 Jakssoul How are religious discussions not allowed?
19:51 mauvebic yeah but theyre usually discouraged from what i saw pilzadam
19:51 Jakssoul I was going to say, VanessaE, OldCoder and I all had one the other day. Sort of.
19:51 sapier1 no there's a "you can't sue me" rul in there not compatible with gplv2/3
19:51 marktraceur ....hm.
19:51 PilzAdam mauvebic, the channel topic at this day was "Blame your favourite religion today" lol
19:51 marktraceur That doesn't strike me as free, who said it was?
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19:52 Jakssoul PilzAdam, are you being serious?
19:52 sapier1 as of fsf cddl is a free license but not compatible to gpl
19:52 marktraceur Huh.
19:52 marktraceur Weird.
19:54 sapier1 @marktraceur ... probably the problem vanishes because of someone else contributing to mobf so I'm gonna release v3 either
19:54 marktraceur If it prevents you from suing the authour, explicitly, that sounds pretty bad. But fair enough.
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19:55 sapier1 but you couldn't relicense it on your server either
19:55 thexyz marktraceur: why is it bad?
19:56 marktraceur thexyz: Not only is it stopping you from taking action with the software, but stopping you from taking action in real life? There are legitimate cases that I could bring against sapier1 in the future, and I think it's awful to use a license to prevent that.
19:57 sapier1 related to that piece of software ;-)
19:57 marktraceur sapier1: Well, that's just a standard, then. GPL has that, too.
19:57 marktraceur sapier1: That wouldn't make it incompatible...
19:57 sapier1 it IS incompatible believe me
19:58 thexyz it's probably incompatible because of some other reason then
19:59 sapier1 hmm maybe ..
19:59 sapier1 ohhh ... cddl forbids relicensing in any other license than cddl :) ... maybe thats reason for incompatibility
20:00 leo_rockway marktraceur: cddl was made incompatible on purpose.
20:00 leo_rockway so opensolaris had an advantage over linux
20:00 leo_rockway namely, zfs
20:00 marktraceur That would do it
20:01 leo_rockway the workaround was to develop zfs outside of linux and as part of fuse... which is plain awful, so opensolaris kept the advantage.
20:01 VanessaE yay!  Finally done with this whole mess:  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4154
20:01 sapier1 bit I have to go now ... I've told how mobf will become gplv3 ... there may be other reasons for license change in future too but not atm
20:01 marktraceur sapier1: Ta
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20:02 Jakssoul You know what?
20:03 leo_rockway marktraceur: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDDL#GPL_incompatibility <--- this
20:03 moltenbot leo_rockway's link: Common Development and Distribution License - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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20:03 Kacey hello
20:03 NakedFury hey
20:04 Kacey need to work on my mesecons invention
20:04 Jakssoul Well, I'm going to get going since everyone is ignoring me. >_>
20:06 NakedFury I hate being left haging like that...You know what? and then leaving
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20:08 john_minetest The channel topic says it:  IRC: Be patient; get to know the rules
20:08 VanessaE bbl, food.
20:10 Kacey 7 coded in
20:12 Kacey ... 8 more to go
20:12 ADFENO I just tried to compile Minetest 0.4.3 under Trisquel Brigantia to see if my issue could be fixed, and I got the same results.
20:15 OldCoder Hi
20:15 ADFENO Hi OldCoder.
20:15 OldCoder o/
20:17 Jordach hey OldCoder
20:17 Jordach !up europe.minetest.org
20:17 moltenbot Minetest server europe.minetest.org:30000 DOWN
20:17 Jordach OldCoder, europe seems to be down
20:17 OldCoder Reviewing now. Thank you.
20:18 Kacey o/ OC
20:19 OldCoder Jordach, The VPS itself seems to be gone. Probably not lost. This is Anunakki server. I will move the whole world to my own new Europe machine.
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20:20 OldCoder Jordach, I have not seen Anunakki recently. There are two options. Wait until he shows up. Or move Europe based on most recent backup.
20:20 Jordach europe machine, could you pm the reasonings?
20:20 OldCoder Jordach, Hmm? I just posted them
20:20 OldCoder Reasonings?
20:20 OldCoder Feel free to ask here
20:20 OldCoder Or PM
20:20 Jordach <OldCoder> I will move the whole world to my own new Europe machine.
20:20 OldCoder Jordach, It is not my machine. When this happens I therefore have no way to proceed.
20:21 OldCoder I think I should move the world to a Europe machine of my own.
20:21 OldCoder Jordach, I do know the VPS host slightly. I will try to reach him.
20:23 Kacey 8 coded in
20:24 OldCoder Jordach, I have PMd the VPS host. It appears this may be a known outage though I have not reached him. We will allow a day before moving elsewhere.
20:24 Jordach perhaps AWS?
20:24 OldCoder Jordach, I do not understand
20:24 Jordach (Amazon)
20:24 OldCoder Jordach, I know
20:24 OldCoder What is the question?
20:25 Jordach point is, if anunakki is not around, AWS would be the next best bet
20:25 OldCoder I have already purchased a new Europe machine if that is what you are asking about
20:25 Jordach OH!
20:25 Jordach could we set a speed test?
20:25 OldCoder It is quite fast :-)
20:25 Jordach OldCoder, just set up a default 0.4.4 world quickly
20:25 OldCoder Should work O.K. for most people in Europe
20:25 sokomine besides...what kind of hardwaere does a server require? it seems very variable in singleplayer...from almost nothing to cpu-is-glowing when doing mapgen
20:25 OldCoder Jordach, I had planned to last week or the week before
20:26 OldCoder Jordach, there has been stuff happening that has disrupted this
20:26 Jordach i know this.
20:26 OldCoder sokomine, it depends on how many players you wish
20:26 OldCoder and the types of worlds
20:27 artur99 where can i find a tutorial for mod making?
20:27 sokomine good question. who knows that in advance...if some mc classic players would be willing to play it could be some (10-20 at max?)
20:27 Kacey artur99: check the API page
20:28 sokomine most likely less players
20:29 sokomine i'd like to convice the owner of a classic server to host a mt world as well :-) classic is so slow compared to mt...
20:29 Jordach OldCoder, start the EU aws on beta.eu.minetest.org
20:29 artur99 kacey: where is the api page?
20:29 Jordach api.minetest.net
20:30 Jordach or http://api.minetest.net
20:30 moltenbot Jordach's link: Minetest API
20:30 artur99 thanks
20:34 leo_rockway sokomine: MT definitely uses less resources than MC.
20:34 leo_rockway there's an MC classic server and an MT server running on this computer. Roughly the same amount of people. MC takes a lot of resources.
20:34 ADFENO I agree... Signing below. :D
20:35 leo_rockway PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S  %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
20:35 leo_rockway 4183 minecraf  20   0 1742m 798m  12m S  51.9 16.0 186:40.54 java
20:36 leo_rockway that's the process taking up the most resources on this server. It runs mysql, lighttpd, mt...
20:36 Kacey anyone want to see what i have to type in on every microcontroller?
20:37 Jordach Kacey, go o
20:37 Jordach on
20:37 Kacey sbi(B,D);sbi(A,C|!D) or sbi(B,D);sbi(A,C&D)
20:38 Kacey light on   or   light off
20:39 Kacey 9 coded in...
20:39 Kacey 6 more to go
20:39 * VanessaE is back
20:40 Kacey wb
20:40 VanessaE thanks
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20:55 marktraceur Kacey: What are you doing?
20:55 Kacey making a 4-bit decoder to 7-seegment display
20:55 Kacey segment*
20:55 marktraceur Kacey: Could you just tell us when you're done, maybe?
20:56 Kacey it will never be "done" just finished for a while bbut sure
20:57 marktraceur Kacey: My point is, constant numerical updates aren't totally necessary
20:57 marktraceur Especially since most of us aren't playing on your server
20:57 Kacey i dont have a server
20:57 marktraceur Well, then none of us are
20:57 marktraceur Which only underscores my point
20:57 Kacey ok well i guess im off to finish the coding
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20:58 maarkveidemanis hello
20:58 marktraceur maarkveidemanis: Hi!
20:58 marktraceur maarkveidemanis: Getting in touch with your Dutch roots?
20:58 maarkveidemanis WTF
20:59 maarkveidemanis 20:59:13: ACTION[main]: Server for gameid="Server_Game" listening on port 30000.
20:59 maarkveidemanis :D
20:59 marktraceur Everybody
21:00 marktraceur Stop what you're doing and join his server
21:00 marktraceur It's apparently the best thing like ever
21:00 maarkveidemanis YAY
21:00 * marktraceur is being sarcastic
21:00 maarkveidemanis it is
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21:02 Jordach PilzAdam, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/87
21:02 moltenbot Jordach's link: New Mese Pick Texture. by Jordach ? Pull Request #87 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub
21:02 Jordach the change is noted in the desc.
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21:03 PilzAdam Jordach, why?
21:04 Jordach because the old pick is ORANGE
21:04 Jordach (nearly)
21:04 Jordach orangey yellow ish, and the new one is real yellow
21:05 leo_rockway is it bad if I like the old one better? o.o
21:05 Jordach nope.
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21:05 Jordach just grab cisouns texture pack and it'll be back
21:06 leo_rockway I like that the old one seems to have a bit of a shadow :D
21:06 Jordach i could darken it quickly if you like
21:06 Muadtralk its all green and red anyway
21:07 leo_rockway Jordach: that may look better. I actually like the yellow more than the orange.
21:07 leo_rockway but the shadow looks cooler in the old one
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21:11 Jordach leo_rockway, added more shadow: https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/1439852/34685/039b39f6-5133-11e2-884a-c55476053009.png
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21:12 VanessaE Jordach: better.
21:12 Jordach cmon PilzAdam its a simple merge and we can forget this ever happened
21:12 * leo_rockway highfives Jordach
21:13 Jordach high five!
21:13 VanessaE +1
21:13 PilzAdam Jordach, lemme watch this video first
21:14 Jordach PilzAdam, thanks
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21:21 * Jordach flops down on the channel sofa
21:22 OldCoder Jordach, Hi. Here is the situation...
21:22 Jordach yes?
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21:24 OldCoder Jordach, I have talked to the VPS host for Europe MT. It is Anunakki account. We need to reboot. Anunakki gave me VNC password to do this. But I need control panel password. Neither host nor I are sure of how to reach Anunakki. I think Europe world is lost unless you or somebody else can find him. I will check to see how old the last backup I transferred off of the VPS is.
21:24 Jordach O.O
21:24 OldCoder This is the way of the world
21:24 OldCoder Sh*t happens
21:24 OldCoder Anunakki is not as involved as I had hoped
21:24 Jordach shit hits the fan, typical
21:24 OldCoder I will move Europe to my own VPS
21:25 OldCoder I need to see how old the last transferred backup is
21:25 OldCoder Host says he cannot reboot for me unless I have the UUID code of the VPS
21:25 OldCoder And only Anunakkit has that
21:25 OldCoder * Anunakki
21:25 Jordach \o/
21:28 PilzAdam Jordach, would you mind if I do this in a single commit?
21:28 Jordach sure
21:28 Jordach just merge
21:28 Jordach simple
21:29 PilzAdam two commits for that are too much
21:29 OldCoder O.K. To close that matter: If anybody knows how to reach Anunakki please do so
21:29 OldCoder If he does not show up we will need to revert Europe MT world to some time back
21:30 PilzAdam Jordach, either you rebase that into one commit or I will do that and you wont be the author of that commit
21:34 maarkveidemanis who will gon ton
21:34 maarkveidemanis go on my server
21:38 NakedFury I regret using stack with so many  torches
21:42 Jordach PilzAdam, lemme revert it
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21:46 Jordach PilzAdam, reverting wont help ere
21:46 Jordach hold on
21:46 Jeija Jordach: git rebase -i HEAD~2
21:46 Jordach not helpful
21:50 Jordach PilzAdam, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/88
21:50 moltenbot Jordach's link: New Mese Pick Texture. by Jordach ? Pull Request #88 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub
21:50 Jordach fixed
21:50 Jordach third time lucky
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21:54 Muadtralk nice pick
21:56 marktraceur http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4243
21:56 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Documentation sprint, 2013-01-19, in #minetest-doc (Page 1) - Unofficial engine development - Minetest Forums
21:56 marktraceur RSVP, share the link, bring friends
21:57 NakedFury reading
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22:04 NakedFury after seeing your tech tree comment on that git mod Tech you have I suddenly want a research mod. you start without knowing what the ores are and after mining some you use a research station, oyu place 1 or more ores and depending on how many you placed the game makes a timer to represent you studying and analizing the material. maybe even give it levels or ranks.
22:04 PilzAdam Jordach, next time please put more texture changes into one commit
22:05 Minetest-tan GIT: Jordach (Jordan Snelling) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: new mese pick texture de8726a9f7 2012-12-28T13:34:10-08:00
22:05 PilzAdam they dont have to be merged instantly
22:05 marktraceur NakedFury: I've thought of doing something similar....using really big craft recipes and complex combinations that will ultimately create blueprints for machines. Copy it down by crafting it with paper, share it with others, use it to make a machine.
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22:07 marktraceur Possibly also use it for chemical and biological research
22:07 ADFENO This mod seens/seems to be promissing. (Sorry, bad English. :D).
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22:07 NakedFury add a rank system from 1 to 10[example] the higher level you have researched this material you then unlock new blueprints and recipes. researching takes the form of placing materials on a station and waiting a specific time like it is in real time strategy games or browser based games
22:07 leo_rockway interesting
22:07 leo_rockway +>9k
22:07 NakedFury I would play it
22:08 marktraceur NakedFury: Perhaps we can brainstorm further over the weekend, hopefully I'll have time
22:08 marktraceur (I'm traveling again this weekend and may or may not be able to chat)
22:08 NakedFury this would really take the game away from the minecraft clone category
22:09 marktraceur Might be nice
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22:09 * ADFENO agrees with NakedFury.
22:10 marktraceur NakedFury: Would you be interested in playing a part in this idea?
22:10 NakedFury more crafting to do, more interesting and engaging gameplay too
22:10 NakedFury yeah
22:10 marktraceur K.
22:10 marktraceur I'll start a wiki page, actually
22:10 NakedFury if it can be done then yes
22:11 NakedFury anunakki: OldCoder and Jordach where looking for you
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22:13 OldCoder Hi
22:13 marktraceur NakedFury: http://api.minetest.net/User:MarkTraceur/Tech_tree_idea
22:13 OldCoder NakedFury, Anunakki is not here
22:13 moltenbot marktraceur's link: User:MarkTraceur/Tech tree idea - Minetest API
22:14 NakedFury ohh didnt see the last has quit
22:14 NakedFury he connected twice
22:14 OldCoder Which is the problem; I should have moved the world when I realized he wasn't around much
22:14 OldCoder Yes
22:14 OldCoder But those are auto-joinsw
22:14 OldCoder But those are auto-joins *
22:14 OldCoder I haven't seen him talk in a while
22:16 john_minetest back
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22:17 ADFENO Also, just to get people in touch... I've managed to modify the food recipes mod for those who don't have the mob framework installed, but the user won't be able to craft the recipes which require things derived from mobs.
22:19 ADFENO I can create a forum account or upload it somewhere so that the creator of the food recipes can link to it.
22:19 ADFENO I did it just for those who don't have much skills with Lua scripting.
22:20 NakedFury to the forum. if you do maybe add a link to the mob framework topic just in case they want both
22:22 john_minetest marktraceur: This blueprint/technic idea is pretty awesome.
22:25 marktraceur john_minetest: I didn't mean it as a subset of technic, it will likely be a separate set of mods
22:25 john_minetest yes, i know.
22:27 john_minetest the idea of making crafting more interesting is good.
22:28 john_minetest Maybe something like achievements. When you have done certain things, you get a new  blueprint.
22:33 leo_rockway some guy at the forum had this idea about spells. The Harry Potter mod.
22:33 leo_rockway it's kind of like the blueprint idea.
22:36 mauvebic crafts could have a skill requirement
22:36 mauvebic the more you craft the higher your skill
22:36 mauvebic the more you can craft lol
22:36 mauvebic otherwise its a little ridiculous to think about someone with no home and a wood axe building complex machines in mesecons
22:37 mauvebic seems like something you build up to
22:37 marktraceur mauvebic: Basically this is a way of requiring working up to something without using experience
22:37 NakedFury http://screenshotuploader.com/s/01/j5r1h8ef9
22:37 moltenbot NakedFury's link: Screenshot Uploader
22:38 NakedFury a crude drawing of researching materials
22:38 mauvebic someone else (i forget :/) also suggested making crafts specific to certain machines like blacksmith,woodworking, etc.
22:38 marktraceur Very crude :P
22:38 marktraceur mauvebic: That seems reasonable--research the furnace and the forge, research the lathe and whatever else
22:39 mauvebic from stone age to steel age yeah
22:39 mauvebic without those shitty cutscenes like in other games lol
22:39 NakedFury windows paint skills level up! level 2
22:39 marktraceur NakedFury: "Sord" lol.
22:39 NakedFury he did not research his cultural skills
22:39 NakedFury so its bluprint and sord
22:39 marktraceur NakedFury: Add it to the wiki page? :)
22:40 marktraceur Maybe some plain-text notes as well?
22:40 NakedFury yeah I just made that so people can see the general idea
22:42 john_minetest there could also be skills like "working with an axe". The more skill you have the faster and more efficient the axe will be.
22:42 marktraceur No no no
22:42 marktraceur john_minetest: This isn't about skills, it's about technology
22:42 marktraceur I suspect the core stuff (axes, picks, etc.) will work as-is for a while, until we can change default to use a similar method
22:43 john_minetest hmmm...
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22:43 NakedFury think Age of Empires or Empire Earth where you sort of started in Stone Age and researched up
22:43 marktraceur Except in this case, we'll use actual materials instead of some ephemeral "tech tree"
22:43 john_minetest there should be a gui that shows how far you have researched yet.
22:43 marktraceur john_minetest: It's called your inventory
22:44 john_minetest marktraceur: so, a button in inventory?
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22:44 marktraceur No
22:45 marktraceur john_minetest: If you don't have the blueprints and the materials to build something, you can't build it. That's it.
22:45 mauvebic there wont be crafting on my space map though everything is sold through the exchange :p
22:45 john_minetest marktraceur: but where can i see what i can build yet?
22:46 marktraceur john_minetest: In your inventory.
22:46 marktraceur john_minetest: Do you have the blueprint for it? Do you have the materials for it?
22:47 john_minetest okay, so everything you want to build requires a blueprint and materials?
22:48 marktraceur http://api.minetest.net/User:MarkTraceur/Tech_tree_idea#Implementation
22:48 moltenbot marktraceur's link: User:MarkTraceur/Tech tree idea - Minetest API
22:49 john_minetest so there are leveled workbenches? cool.
22:49 marktraceur Something like that, yes
22:57 NakedFury posted the picture in that api site
22:59 marktraceur Cool
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23:01 Kacey hello
23:01 marktraceur Kacey: Oh hai!
23:01 Kacey hai
23:05 marktraceur NakedFury: Go nuts and add notes there anytime you think of something :)
23:07 Kacey on e more to code in (marktraceur: last update until done)
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23:11 Octupus hi
23:13 NakedFury ok
23:13 NakedFury ill work on making notes and drawing ideas when they come
23:14 Kacey hello Octupus
23:14 Kacey finished coding in
23:16 * Kacey is happy :)
23:21 Octupus hi
23:21 VanessaE hi
23:21 ADFENO Hi Octupus.
23:24 Kacey now to make the display
23:26 STHGOM hi octo
23:27 marktraceur STHGOM, ADFENO, are you two somehow linked?
23:27 Kacey Octu you should see this thing i made
23:27 ADFENO ? No, I'm actually new here.
23:27 marktraceur Cool.
23:27 marktraceur Uppercase, six letters, seemed similar
23:28 marktraceur Well, whatevs.
23:28 STHGOM no
23:28 STHGOM im sparky
23:28 STHGOM on minetest
23:28 marktraceur Haven't played with you before
23:28 STHGOM ok
23:29 STHGOM i usally play on zegeton
23:29 STHGOM see you later guys/gals
23:29 marktraceur Ta
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23:30 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest_game: Remove old unused texture 0eb46a01ff 2012-12-28T15:29:52-08:00
23:32 PilzAdam wtf is that: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/76/files
23:32 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Add Mitori's Textures to Replace VanessaE's textures. by Jordach ? Pull Request #76 ? celeron55/minetest_game ? GitHub
23:32 marktraceur PilzAdam: It's a URI
23:33 PilzAdam marktraceur, normally when people post links they refer to the content
23:33 marktraceur :) I know
23:33 marktraceur PilzAdam: Is there some issue with the pull request?
23:33 PilzAdam have you seen this diff?!
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23:35 marktraceur PilzAdam: It probably just needs a rebase. Politely ask for one.
23:35 PilzAdam I am always polite
23:35 PilzAdam or at least try to ;-)
23:35 marktraceur "wtf is that" is somewhat less than polite
23:35 * VanessaE looks at the actual textures
23:36 VanessaE NOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOooooOOOooOOOooOOOooOoooOooOooOooOo
23:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, that too
23:36 VanessaE they look like an aborted glowstone, a piece of rancid steak, and a lump of I don't even know what, from top to bottom
23:37 VanessaE (Apologies to Mitori, but those are horrible)
23:37 marktraceur VanessaE: Separate issue, then. Post that, too.
23:38 VanessaE eh?
23:38 marktraceur On the pull request, say that the textures aren't very good. Offer ideas.
23:38 VanessaE oh.  no, better I shouldn't say anything
23:42 Kacey uuuuuuuuuuuuuugh this is complicated
23:42 marktraceur VanessaE: Then they won't get better :/
23:42 VanessaE marktraceur: I think the ones I supplied are just fine.
23:42 VanessaE Someone else wants to improve them, I won't get in the way too much :-)
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23:53 Kacey omg this is crazy
23:53 VanessaE ?
23:54 bnd joined #minetest
23:58 Kacey my display
23:59 ADFENO ? What is with your display, Kacey?
23:59 Kacey in minetest i am making a display

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