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00:09 STHGOM bye
00:12 OldCoder Hey
00:23 Jakssoul joined #minetest
00:23 Jakssoul 'Ello  everybody. I'm back.
00:27 kaeza just my 2 cents: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59225#p59225
00:27 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Poll] Respected Community Members (Page 2) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
00:27 kaeza VanessaE, OldCoder ^
00:27 OldCoder Hey!
00:27 OldCoder R
00:28 OldCoder kaeza, Why, thank you; very kind of you
00:28 kaeza np OC
00:29 Jakssoul :( I voted for all three of you guys.
00:29 Jakssoul xD
00:29 kaeza just felt I should mention that
00:31 Jakssoul kaeza, you're very worthy of praise as well.
00:32 kaeza why thank you!
00:32 kaeza I just try to help
00:32 kaeza I'm a bit of jerk sometimes, I'm afraid
00:33 Jakssoul I've got to say, the Minetest community in general are some of the best people I've met in my short time alive.
00:33 Jakssoul Definitely the best single group of individuals online.
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00:36 VanessaE kaeza: nice
00:36 Jakssoul Do people just hop on IRC channels and not participate in any kind of conversation often?
00:36 VanessaE this topic is kind ripe for...friction, but this is nice.
00:37 VanessaE Jakssoul: sometimes - but a lot of people you see here are idle accounts, where the user isn't actually there
00:37 VanessaE and most IRC clients auto-rejoin after a network hiccup
00:37 Jakssoul Oh, okay.
00:37 Jakssoul What's "ripe for friction"?
00:37 kaeza VanessaE: let's troll! I'll just make a line made up of all the names in the list :)
00:37 VanessaE meaning ther....what kaeza said.
00:37 kaeza PING for everyone!
00:38 Exio hey!
00:38 Jakssoul I'll kill you. xD
00:38 Exio i'm a nice idler anyway
00:38 Jakssoul I will punish you with BRIMSTONE AND LIMESTONE!
00:38 VanessaE "lol
00:38 kaeza Vanessa E, E xio, e cube, ...
00:38 Jakssoul :D
00:38 Exio haha
00:39 kaeza trollolol
00:39 Jakssoul You better praise the almighty toe fungus. Or else. (Limestone.) :D:D:D
00:41 Jakssoul OldCoder, a question?
00:41 OldCoder This is just for fun:
00:42 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/test/121225_xmasfriends.jpg
00:42 OldCoder Jakssoul, Go on
00:42 Jakssoul Why do some of the members of this community have such an issue with you?
00:42 OldCoder Jakssoul, PM please
00:42 OldCoder I'll be happy to talk
00:42 Jakssoul I apologize.
00:42 OldCoder No need for sorry; just PM and we'll talk
00:43 kaeza OldCoder: nice!
00:44 kaeza I'll post it on my blog if you don't mind OldCoder
00:54 OldCoder kaeza, Sure!
00:54 OldCoder Christmas Friends
00:54 kaeza thx OC
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00:58 iqualfragile !ping minetest.net
00:58 moltenbot 64 bytes from 5.9.130.165: icmp_req=1 ttl=56 time=9.24 ms
00:58 iqualfragile ah, great
00:58 mrdragons !ping fbi.gov
00:58 moltenbot 64 bytes from 72.21.81.85: icmp_req=1 ttl=55 time=81.4 ms
00:58 iqualfragile fu mrdragons
00:58 mrdragons :P
01:01 iqualfragile sfan5|OFF: notice: riding is not dificult to implement anymore
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01:03 Jakssoul Who here is taller than 5'10"?
01:04 iqualfragile if you convert that to a sane unit you might get answers
01:04 Jakssoul Excuse me?
01:04 Jakssoul Oh.
01:04 Jakssoul Metric?
01:05 iqualfragile jup
01:05 Jakssoul Forgot, few people here live in the US. Yeah, we have idiotic measurements...
01:05 Jakssoul 1.7 meters?
01:05 JesseH I am 5 10
01:06 Jakssoul Alrighty.
01:06 iqualfragile VanessaE: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59231#p59231 can you add a hint to the first post? casimir more or less continues the mod, so that might be apropriate
01:06 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: [Mod] Drowning [drowning] (Page 3) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
01:08 iqualfragile who was 313hummer again?
01:09 VanessaE iqualfragile: done.
01:09 iqualfragile thanks
01:16 iqualfragile i think its jordan4ibanez
01:16 iqualfragile but im not entirely shure
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01:25 kaeza Yay! mesecons website is now ad-free!
01:25 VanessaE yep
01:25 kaeza Jeija: +100000
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01:33 VanessaE hey hey neko
01:35 sapier1 can someone tell me what file format .x is ?
01:36 VanessaE no clue
01:36 kaeza hi NekoGloop :3
01:36 VanessaE some MS format isn't it?
01:37 kaeza sapier1: it's a DirectX model format
01:37 sapier1 ok so i assume only win32 blender is able to export to this format?
01:38 VanessaE I would think any OS build of blender would work?
01:38 OldCoder Sure
01:38 OldCoder Should
01:38 kaeza sapier1: any blender can export it
01:38 OldCoder Have not checked
01:40 kaeza sapier1: if you are looking for tech info, https://www.google.com.uy/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmsdn.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Flibrary%2Fwindows%2Fdesktop%2Fbb173014(v%3Dvs.85).aspx&ei=ClXaUKK9NZTm8wSE-YHoCw&usg=AFQjCNHon3NevaHqwBcTV4JFx93OYviDDw&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.eWU
01:40 sapier1 I've got blender 2.62 and can export to : motion capture, stanford, stl, 3d studio, autodesk, wavefront and x3d extensible 3d
01:40 kaeza ...
01:40 kaeza this one instead: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb173014(v=vs.85).aspx
01:41 sapier1 so minetests current prefered mesh format is only available on windows ??
01:41 kaeza sapier1: no
01:41 kaeza it's cross platform
01:41 kaeza since it is a plain text format
01:42 sapier1 I'll try if x3d is same as x
01:42 VanessaE it is not.
01:42 VanessaE x3d = xml :-)
01:42 FreeFull svg = xml
01:42 sapier1 then you can't use blender to create an .x file on linux
01:42 kaeza xml = xml :P
01:43 kaeza sapier1: what you have to do is use the .blend file format for your work
01:43 kaeza and export to .x when you are ready
01:44 kaeza it's the same as working with pics
01:44 sapier1 kaeza thats the problem ... blender doesn't support exporting to .x on linux
01:44 kaeza you use PNG/BMP/other raster format here
01:44 sapier1 at least not 2.63
01:44 kaeza sapier1: it does on mine
01:44 kaeza oh
01:44 sapier1 do you have linux or windows?
01:44 kaeza I have 2.62
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01:44 kaeza Ubuntu 12.04
01:44 VanessaE maybe it requires a plugin?
01:44 sapier1 funny
01:45 sapier1 I didn't expect export formats to be dropped in newer versions
01:45 VanessaE sapier1:  http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/DirectX_Exporter
01:45 kaeza you beat me to it
01:45 kaeza :D
01:45 VanessaE ninja'd :-)
01:46 sapier1 thanks vanessae
01:46 VanessaE sapier1: hope that helps
01:46 kaeza http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/DirectX_Exporter
01:46 moltenbot kaeza's link: Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/DirectX Exporter - BlenderWiki
01:46 kaeza that's better :P
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01:46 * VanessaE puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
01:47 * NekoGloop punts it at OldCoder
01:47 iqualfragile kaeza: ubuntu is not linux, its just a reskinned windows vista, everybody knows that
01:47 kaeza lol true iqualfragile
01:47 VanessaE haha
01:47 NekoGloop so that's why it doesnt boot
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01:47 sapier1 I've dropped ubuntu as of 12.10 ... I just couldn't get it running on my system
01:48 kaeza Unity surely suxx
01:48 kaeza I prefer something more lightweight
01:48 sapier1 I didn't even get it running in kde or gnome
01:48 NekoGloop *nix doesnt work, in general.
01:48 kaeza sapier1: you should try the ROX desktp
01:48 kaeza top*
01:48 iqualfragile http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4182 what you you think about that idea? i think ist a good idea because people dislike replanting trees and so they are killing the forrests, but it should not change all the saplings into nodes but just 1-3 per tree (one would have to calculate a bit to get a propability for one single leaf)
01:49 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: [Mod] Self-planting saplings [autoplant] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
01:49 sapier1 12.10 has severe mouse cursor issues with tripple screen/dual graphics card setups
01:49 NekoGloop iqualfragile: It is bad and you should feel bad.
01:49 kaeza iqualfragile: bad idea
01:49 iqualfragile kaeza: then should should try the BASH desktop
01:49 kaeza sowwy
01:50 iqualfragile thanks for your constructive feedback :D
01:50 VanessaE iqualfragile: no real opinion on that.
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01:50 kaeza iqualfragile: the problem is that you cut down a tree and KABOOM! instant forest!
01:50 NekoGloop You should try DOS, it's this brand new OS, guarenteed to run on any computer
01:51 kaeza NekoGloop: I use DOS 5.0
01:51 iqualfragile VanessaE: well, lets see: im gona add it to my server, play around with it and then im gona tell you if you should like it or not
01:51 VanessaE iqualfragile: haha ok :-)
01:51 iqualfragile kaeza: use 'reading' drop 1-3 per tree
01:51 NekoGloop ... May i say something?
01:51 FreeFull NekoGloop: Won't run on a raspberry pi, will it?
01:51 kaeza iqualfragile: and what happens if you have the bad luck to have two saplings in the same (X/Z)
01:52 kaeza NekoGloop: sure
01:52 NekoGloop FreeFull: Nothing runs on a raspberry pi
01:52 NekoGloop And i say: hi.
01:52 FreeFull NekoGloop: Linux does
01:52 NekoGloop *nix is bad and you should feel bad
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01:53 VanessaE *nix Is Your Friend (tm)
01:53 FreeFull Why should I feel bad
01:53 FreeFull Why is it bad
01:53 FreeFull What should I use instead
01:53 kaeza VanessaE: UIYF? new BBS term?
01:53 kaeza lol
01:53 VanessaE he
01:53 VanessaE heh
01:53 NekoGloop use DOS, duh
01:53 FreeFull DOS doesn't do most things I want
01:54 VanessaE there, stupid compose key got un-defined.
01:54 kaeza FreeFull: but plain DOS is a hell of a system for graphics programming
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01:54 kaeza or in general to access HW directly
01:55 kaeza no layers in-between, it's just the program and the hardware
01:55 kaeza (in real mode at least)
01:55 FreeFull kaeza: You can do that with an ARM board too
01:55 FreeFull Everything done by writing to memory
01:55 FreeFull kaeza: http://io.smashthestack.org:84/arm/
01:56 * OldCoder blinks and catches it just in time
01:57 kaeza FreeFull: amazing!
01:57 FreeFull Once you set up the graphics chip, you just write to whatever you set as the framebuffer
01:58 FreeFull kaeza: It's much faster than mode 13h too ;)
01:58 * kaeza misses the good old DOS days
01:59 FreeFull Yeah, in the DOS days, the BIOS did a lot for you
01:59 FreeFull The initialisation code isn't toooo long
01:59 FreeFull http://io.smashthestack.org:84/arm/freefull_02.asm See the source for my entry
02:00 FreeFull I set my framebuffer at 0x60020000
02:04 iqualfragile sapier1: will your mobs spawn on wool?
02:04 sapier1 on wool?
02:05 NakedFury why would they?
02:06 iqualfragile yeah, on wool
02:06 NakedFury a wool bug?
02:06 kaeza back
02:06 sapier1 if you create a spawn algorithm to make them spawn on wool they will but none of the algorithmes in default mobf package will do
02:06 kaeza FreeFull: interesting program
02:08 iqualfragile sapier1: that answered my question, thanks
02:09 sokomine which mob would like to spawn on wool? insects that eat the wool?
02:11 sokomine i still think that the mobs don't need that much intelligence. they have to be fast enough to be usable. if a mob drops down and would die...well...heal it and place it somewhere else after detecting its state (if that helps). players may find that funny, but it doesn't matter in the end
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02:12 Jakssoul I'm back, you guys can all stop freaking out now. It'll be okay now.
02:12 Jakssoul xD
02:13 kaeza lol
02:13 kaeza wb Jakssoul
02:13 Jakssoul Como estas, kaeza?
02:13 kaeza Bien y vos Jakssoul?
02:13 kaeza XD
02:14 Jakssoul Vos? Uruguay must be much different than Mexican spanish.
02:14 kaeza oh right
02:14 sapier1 @sokomine most of computing power is used for spawn algorithms if you disable them mobf is using next to no cpu power (except of movement/collision handling itself, but thats done in core)
02:14 kaeza you use "Tú"
02:14 Jakssoul Right, right.
02:14 Jakssoul Well, Mexicans.
02:15 Jakssoul Soy American.
02:15 Jakssoul Asi, yo toco la clase de Espanol en escuela secondario.
02:15 kaeza O.o
02:15 Jakssoul Toce*
02:15 Jakssoul Que?
02:15 kaeza EspaÑol
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02:16 Jakssoul What? You're upset because I didn't use the "Chicka"?
02:16 Jakssoul Hahaha.
02:16 kaeza lol
02:16 kaeza j/K
02:16 Jakssoul No lo tengo.
02:16 Jakssoul En mi teclado.
02:16 kaeza "Sí, yo tomé la clase de Español en la secundaria"
02:16 sokomine sapier: yes, i noticed. with the spawn at mapgen it runs very well on my computer. so...spawning "dropped" animals again might not be a solution
02:17 kaeza lol
02:17 sokomine hm :-) we might as well start speaking german. that would cover some people :-)
02:17 Jakssoul Yo no sabía que usted habla español tanto diferente.
02:17 kaeza tan*
02:17 sokomine but i don't know spanish (or which language is it?)
02:18 kaeza no tanto
02:18 Jakssoul Spanish, yes.
02:18 Jakssoul Quiero aprender Latin.
02:18 kaeza ah well, I suck at spanish anyway
02:18 kaeza and I speak natively :P
02:18 sokomine latin's even worse :-) though it's fun to try to guess what a latin phrase might mean
02:19 Jakssoul Volo discere Latin. Videre? Hoc est Latina.
02:19 kaeza Google Translate Win!
02:19 Jakssoul YES!
02:19 kaeza :P
02:19 Jakssoul That's what I used. xD
02:19 Jakssoul Not for Spanish, just the Latin.
02:19 sokomine tss :-) don't cheat :-)
02:20 Jakssoul No tenemos clase de Latin en mi escuela!
02:20 kaeza who uses latin anyway
02:21 Jakssoul I want to!
02:21 Jakssoul The Romans did.
02:21 kaeza I'd prefer to learn Italian, French, of even Japanese
02:21 Jakssoul The greatest civilization (Other than the Americans. ;) [Sarcasm]) ever!
02:21 Jakssoul Italian is rather nice. I'm a pureblooded Italian.
02:22 mrdragons Are you in the mafia? >.>
02:22 sokomine iirc there is a small spot in swiss where they still speak some kind of latin
02:22 Jakssoul My dad is.
02:22 Jakssoul Legitimately. Chicago Mafia. Serving time right now, because he's a peon.
02:22 Jakssoul Complete idiot...
02:22 mrdragons Oh
02:23 kaeza why do you stereotype all italians as being part of the mafia? everyone knows they are good for Pizza! XD
02:23 Jakssoul Pizza..
02:23 Jakssoul No. You ass hat!
02:24 Jakssoul Rigatoni.
02:24 Jakssoul Yes.
02:24 Jakssoul :D
02:25 Jakssoul Well, Pizza, and being home to some of this worlds greatest Geniuses. *Cough* Leonardo da Vinci. *Cough*.
02:25 Jakssoul Who actually spent most of his life in France... Traitor. xD
02:27 kaeza well, in a plane there are three men, an italian, a french, and an Uruguayan. The Italian says "we are over Italia"; "how do you know?", "Because I see the Leaning tower of Pisa". Then the french says "We are in France"; "how do you know?", "because I see the Eiffel Tower". Then the uruguayan says "We are over Uruguay"; "how do you know?", because they already stole my watch" XD
02:28 sokomine you're making me hungry....
02:28 kaeza </badjoke>
02:28 Jakssoul YES!
02:29 Jakssoul That was a pretty good one, actually.
02:29 Jakssoul Have you heard of the Italian man who went to Malta?
02:29 kaeza nope
02:29 Jakssoul Youtube.
02:29 Jakssoul Right now, buddy. You'll laugh your ass off.
02:29 kaeza ...
02:30 Jakssoul Sorry, I was kidding about the order.
02:30 Jakssoul But it's very humorous.
02:30 kaeza ummm... lol?
02:30 Jakssoul What?
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02:38 LandMineOG Wassssup
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02:38 Jakssoul Hey, how're you doing?
02:38 LandMineOG Oldcoder how are u doing?
02:38 LandMineOG Fine jakssoul thanks
02:38 Jakssoul That's always good.
02:40 OldCoder lahwran, Hi
02:40 OldCoder Oops
02:40 OldCoder LandMineOG, Hi
02:41 LandMineOG Hi oldcoder what u been up too?
02:41 OldCoder Coding ATM
02:41 OldCoder For a friend who needs a favor
02:41 LandMineOG Ohh nice...may I ask the purpose of the application?
02:42 kaeza hi LandMineOG
02:42 OldCoder It is statistics I think
02:42 Jakssoul I'm now looking into making a mod for Minetest. Me being the perfectionist I am when it comes to software.. well.. it will never be completed.
02:43 LandMineOG Hi kaeza how is ur day?
02:43 kaeza fine LandMineOG, and yours?
02:44 NakedFury Jakssoul: start simple enough to satisfy your perfectionism
02:44 NakedFury 1 block
02:44 NakedFury then expand to 2, repeat and then make complex systems
02:45 Jakssoul That's probably a fantastic idea. I was about to make something crazy.
02:45 Jakssoul I'll be back in a few minutes after reading the guide.
02:45 iqualfragile Jakssoul: what were you about to make
02:45 iqualfragile -.-
02:45 LandMineOG Excelent kaeza
02:45 kaeza good
02:45 iqualfragile why does that keep happening to me?
02:47 NakedFury what keeps happening?
02:53 OldCoder NakedFury, He spoke to somebody who had just left
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02:55 Kacey hallo
02:56 NakedFury hey
02:56 LandMineOG Its spelled hello kacey
02:56 LandMineOG Use proper grammar thanks
02:57 VanessaE German spelling of "hello", LandMineOG.
02:57 Kacey hallo is german dumbass
02:57 VanessaE and spelling != grammar.
02:58 FreeFull Actually, spelling is part of grammar
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02:58 FreeFull Not the whole thing, just a part
02:59 VanessaE you can have piss-poor spelling without trashing your grammar, as long as your misspellings don't result in valid, but out-of-context wording.
02:59 LandMineOG Wow vanessae u get more man with me all the time
03:00 VanessaE eh?
03:00 LandMineOG Its christmas give me a break gosh
03:00 LandMineOG More mean*******
03:00 VanessaE LandMineOG: translation:  grammar nazi FAIL.
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03:01 OldCoder Jakssoul, wb
03:01 LandMineOG Vanessae u know english isn't my native language
03:01 Jakssoul Sorry, had to help a kid with his new Christmas present. Some foster kid that's here.
03:02 VanessaE That does it.  I'm gonna have to give you an "F".
03:02 Jakssoul He got a $250 3DS game system.. >_>
03:02 * VanessaE writes a big, red "F" on LandMineOG's hat
03:02 LandMineOG Don't put me on the spot
03:02 * LandMineOG is sad
03:02 Jakssoul Have you guys seen the Augmented Reality those things have!?
03:02 Jakssoul IT'S AMAZING! Like, mind-blowingly amazing.
03:03 VanessaE Jakssoul: not yet.  in fact I haven't even *seen* a 3DS in operation at all.
03:03 Jakssoul I pretty much despise Nintendo products, but WOW.
03:03 Jakssoul Yeah. They're... eh. But I'm just saying for the AR technology.
03:03 Jakssoul Mind blowing.
03:04 LandMineOG Oldcoder...vanessae is being a bully....she is making fun of my grammar
03:05 Jakssoul You might deserve it.
03:05 Jakssoul (Kidding.)
03:05 VanessaE "So these people have the cake AND eat it too AND the cake is a lie."  <-- there is so much wrong with that sentence that I don't even know where to start. :-)
03:05 VanessaE (closing sentence on a post on slashdot regarding people buying tablets instead of more PCs etc)
03:05 Jakssoul The cake is a lie!
03:06 Jakssoul Would it make me seem gay to wear shin high Batman socks? XD My Fiance got me them for Christmas. (In case you were wondering, I am Batman.)
03:07 kaeza haven't played portal yet :/
03:07 OldCoder LandMineOG, making fun? No... Too rigid probably
03:07 Jakssoul I just heard about it in Game Informer. Portal was.... not my slice of.. wait for it... CAKE! XD
03:07 Kacey you cant be batman I AM BATMAN!!!!!
03:07 VanessaE Jakssoul: I see no reason to avoid them.
03:07 Jakssoul You are NOT Batman!!!!!
03:07 Jakssoul Yo soy Batman.
03:07 Jakssoul Me llamo Batman.
03:07 OldCoder Jakssoul, Fiance?
03:07 Jakssoul There. I just said it in Spanish in two different ways.
03:07 VanessaE you're a llama bat man? :-)
03:07 Kacey estoy batman
03:07 Jakssoul Yes sir, OldCoder.
03:08 OldCoder I C
03:08 Jakssoul So you are only Batman for a temporary span of time?
03:08 Jakssoul Why, OldCoder?
03:08 OldCoder Jakssoul, you are relatively young
03:08 Kacey until i take off my suit
03:08 OldCoder Serious about marriage?
03:09 Jakssoul Absolutely. I'm going to be 18 in a few days here?
03:09 OldCoder Yes
03:09 Jakssoul I've been with this girl for almost three years.
03:09 OldCoder All right
03:09 kaeza wow 18?
03:09 Jakssoul She's the only thing that's kept me going.
03:09 OldCoder O.K.
03:09 Jakssoul Yeah, why, kaeza?
03:09 LandMineOG Jakssoul are u getting married because u got her pregnant right?
03:09 kaeza nothing :)
03:09 Jakssoul NO! Hahaha.
03:09 kaeza thought you were older
03:09 kaeza touché from LandMineOG
03:10 Jakssoul She is not at all pregnant. I hope! xD (She's not.)
03:10 LandMineOG I like u jakssoul...u have a sense of humor
03:10 Jakssoul Well thanks. You actually got me to laugh out loud. Maybe in nervousness, but still.
03:10 Kacey humor?
03:10 Kacey nobody has seen my humor
03:10 Jakssoul kaeza, proper grammar can give the appearance of maturity online it seems.
03:11 Jakssoul So if MT runs off of these LUA scripts, then what does MC run off of?
03:11 kaeza lol u r gay
03:11 VanessaE Jakssoul: Java
03:11 kaeza now I sound like a COD player :P
03:11 tjbarber except when it comes to capitalization, Jakssoul. ;)
03:11 Jakssoul Hahahaah! No kidding. I could never stand Call of Duty online.
03:11 Jakssoul What do you mean, tjbarber?
03:12 iqualfragile calpitaliwhat?
03:12 Kacey Jakssoul: notch's farts and drugs
03:12 Jakssoul HAHAHA! I just absolutely died of laughter. Oh my.
03:12 VanessaE capitalization need not get too much attention, except for the word "I"... that one's just irritating to see written wrong :-)
03:12 tjbarber Jakssoul, a lot of activity in IRC channels doesn't start with capitalization for some reason
03:12 Jakssoul I didn't capitalize kaeza's name because he does not capitalize it himself.
03:12 tjbarber LOL yes VanessaE =P
03:12 VanessaE one bloody letter and people can't even bother with that much :-)
03:12 Jakssoul Ohhhh! Got it.
03:12 kaeza VanessaE: i think the same
03:12 kaeza lol u mad?
03:12 Kacey really? because i neverr capitalize i
03:13 Jakssoul I Used To Always Type Like This.
03:13 tjbarber meh
03:13 Jakssoul So Be Very Thankful I No Longer Do.
03:13 tjbarber lol Jakssoul
03:13 tjbarber everything's a movie.
03:13 Jakssoul I got SO much crap for it years ago.
03:13 Jakssoul I just stopped two or three years ago.
03:13 iqualfragile my client automaticly captializes names when i use tab to autocomplete then
03:13 kaeza AND DON'T BE ANNOYING AND WRITE LIKE THIS EITHER
03:14 Jakssoul I didn't even realize I could tab to autocomplete names. :(
03:14 tjbarber Jakssoul, why would you ever want to hit the shift key for the beginning of very word? xD
03:14 VanessaE kaeza: that does it.  I'm giving you an "F"!
03:14 Jakssoul Thanks for letting me know, iqualfragile!
03:14 * VanessaE writes a big, red "F" on kaeza's hat.
03:14 Jakssoul I don't know, tjbarber, just did!
03:14 * Kacey wants an "F"
03:14 Jakssoul VanessaE, how do I do that... "action" thing?
03:14 tjbarber oh gosh kaeza, that looks like one of those emails that grandmothers send to everyone in their contacts
03:14 Jakssoul THAT! How do I do it?
03:14 Kacey do /me
03:14 VanessaE Jakssoul:  /me does something
03:14 * Jakssoul Eats lots of lies.
03:14 * VanessaE does something
03:15 Jakssoul Yay!
03:15 * kaeza adds VanessaE's "F" to his collection. he surely sucks at english
03:15 Jakssoul I've been wondering that for a while. Thanks, Kacey and VanessaE.
03:15 * Kacey really wants that "F"
03:15 * Jakssoul Gives Kacey an "F".
03:15 tjbarber on Textual there is /slap
03:16 * tjbarber slaps Jakssoul around a bit with a large trout
03:16 Jakssoul Mine probably isn't good enough.
03:16 VanessaE jeez, did no one here ever watch Animaniacs?
03:16 kaeza fck Pidgin: /slap: unknown command
03:16 tjbarber lol Animaniacs XD
03:16 * Kacey eats the "F"
03:16 * Jakssoul stares in horror.
03:16 Kacey mmmmmm fudge
03:16 Jakssoul NOOOO! That "F" was made with L0v3!
03:16 kaeza heeeelloooooo NURSE!
03:16 Kacey i am the 1337
03:17 tjbarber ಠ_ಠ wut
03:17 Jakssoul 66, 4 26 743 5337.
03:17 kaeza Kacey: no u r a n008
03:17 Jakssoul I use T9 code, nobody ever figures it out. ;)
03:17 kaeza 0 3 0 3 456
03:17 * kaeza is singing
03:17 Kacey n008? n008? n000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:17 Jakssoul Usually I don't tell people I'm using T9 code... so yeah. xD
03:18 Jakssoul 0 3 0 3 456 = Nothing.
03:18 kaeza Jakssoul: that's prone to "lol autocorrect"!
03:18 Jakssoul 9428?
03:18 Jakssoul 4 366'8 438 48?
03:20 kaeza &#4C;&#4D;&#41;&#4f;
03:20 kaeza ^_^
03:20 LandMineOG So what did santa bring u guys?
03:20 Jakssoul Santa brought me nothing.
03:20 LandMineOG Besides aids kaeza
03:20 Jakssoul So, yeah. I have a fantastic way of ruining the mood. :(
03:21 * Jakssoul Goes and sits in a corner to cry.
03:21 Jakssoul Bahahah.
03:21 kaeza well, santa gave me an empty box
03:22 Jakssoul I didn't even get an empty box!
03:22 * Jakssoul Cries more.
03:22 Kacey EMPTY BOX!!!!!!!! im jealous
03:22 kaeza so I could pack my stuff and GTFO my parents' house :D
03:22 * Jakssoul is going to be right back.
03:22 Kacey all i got was 12 months of xbox live gold...
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03:24 TorpedoSkyline oi
03:24 TorpedoSkyline ok, this is tjbarber but under hacker guise ;P
03:24 NakedFury some lego architecture editions and an android tablet
03:25 Jakssoul Kacey, I got a pair of socks.
03:25 Jakssoul From my Fiance. Oh, and a Batman shirt. From her as well
03:25 Jakssoul That was my Christmas. I don't wanna hear it. xD
03:25 kaeza A pair of sneakers and a bottle of whiskey for me
03:25 VanessaE my Christmas was the same as every year - a movie and chinese food :-)
03:25 Jakssoul I don't drink, so.. Glad I didn't get any whiskey? xD
03:26 Jakssoul Movie and Chinese. Very, very nice.
03:27 Kacey my christmas was sleeping
03:27 VanessaE good way to spend it
03:27 VanessaE :)
03:27 Jakssoul Absolutely.
03:27 Kacey mostly because i was sick
03:28 Jakssoul Oh. I'm sorry. :/
03:28 Kacey sore throat and congested chest
03:28 VanessaE oh that sucks :(
03:28 Kacey bad coughing fits
03:28 kaeza I'm glad to be of the southern hemisphere. fcking 35 degrees Celsius
03:29 Jakssoul You know, anytime I boot puppy linux, it claims my laptop is 85 degrees Celsius. Wouldn't that literally melt the plastic?
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04:11 youlysses There any "big" technological inspired mods out?
04:11 NakedFury technic
04:12 NakedFury found a drowning and hunger mods too
04:13 youlysses NakedFury: I thought that was exclussively *minecraft* based?
04:14 kaeza neither hunger nor drowning worked last time I tested
04:14 NakedFury really?
04:14 NakedFury they dont have bars
04:14 kaeza hunger kept killing me after eating apples
04:14 mrdragons lol
04:14 kaeza and drowning did not do anything when underwater
04:15 NakedFury they need bars and a underwater check
04:15 kaeza I waited for like five minutes but no damage
04:16 kaeza I should test again with latest version ^_^
04:22 VanessaE "technological" inspired?
04:22 VanessaE there's mesecons of course.
04:23 youlysses Minetest forums down again?
04:23 VanessaE crap.  it would appear so.
04:26 kaeza VanessaE: yes
04:26 kaeza forums down again :/
04:27 kaeza oh sorry
04:27 kaeza youlysses: ^
04:29 youlysses Yeah, that's what I thought. :-P
04:34 VanessaE youlysses: there's also a few misc. electronic devices in Home Decor, but they mostly don't do anything.
04:36 Exio well, talking about that, any way to add things to 'the GUI' like bars?
04:36 VanessaE not at present.
04:37 Exio hm, that explains why hunger/drowing don't have bars :P
04:38 youlysses VanessaE: I'd like to see some game, not nesscarily minetest, that the core of the game is focused around this. Though I guessed this could be accomplished via a bundle of mods. :-P
04:40 VanessaE afaik any server that has mesecons, technic, industrial, and homedecor pretty much covers the gamut of technology in minetest right now
04:44 Exio any thing like ravines in the world gen atm?
04:44 VanessaE not explicitly, but sometimes you get them randomly.
04:44 VanessaE depending on your definition of such
04:46 Exio some big hole in the ground with a big fall between the top and the 'ground' :P
04:46 VanessaE heh
04:46 VanessaE well I see those quite often, but to me a ravine is that, but as a long channel e.g. like a canyon
04:47 Exio yeah :P
04:47 Exio btw, your texture pack is awesome, 64x version here <netbook>, between 30 and 50 FPS, like using default :D
04:47 Exio and it looks a lot better
04:47 VanessaE thanks :-)
04:49 VanessaE do you have the version with the fancy splash screen? :-)
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04:50 Kacey VanessaE?
04:50 VanessaE hm?
04:50 Kacey where can i see the crafting for the mese update
04:50 VanessaE which recipe?
04:50 Exio hehe, i think, i have the last git 'release' in your github :P
04:50 VanessaE there are a few different ones
04:51 VanessaE Exio: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2012172012%20-%2003:15:04%20AM.png
04:51 Kacey all of them
04:51 VanessaE Kacey: they're not listed anywhere explicitly yet.
04:51 VanessaE dig a mese crystals in stone to get a crystal, use three of those + 2 sticks to make a pick, or craft 1 by itself to get fragments, or craft 9 to get a mese block.
04:52 Kacey how about mese coins?
04:52 VanessaE mese coins is unrelated
04:52 VanessaE and the author of the mod in question decided to base it on gold insted.
04:52 VanessaE instead.
04:52 Kacey ooh wow
04:53 Kacey ok what do fragments do?
04:53 Exio ah, yeah, the fancy splash version :P
04:53 VanessaE Kacey: right now not much - ufos and peaceful_npc mods use them to craft things.
04:54 Kacey ooh ok
04:54 VanessaE Kacey: they're too new to really "do" anything yet until people start using them in crafting recipes
04:55 kaeza aaaaand minetest.net is still down :/
04:55 VanessaE yup
04:56 kaeza celeron55 should try finding a better host
04:57 kaeza cjb.net is a good one IMHO
04:57 kaeza I don't recall if they support php
04:58 Exio something related to tools, any way to force some block "drop" anything what isn't the block itself (like making a special tool for breaking stone and getting it, or a overheat pickaxe)
04:58 Exio +?
04:58 Exio :P
04:59 VanessaE Exio: based on the particular tool?  not sure.   dropping a node other than what was dug, regardless of the tool, is easy
05:00 Exio hm
05:01 Exio i want the based on the tool thing
05:02 VanessaE I guess you could watch for the pointed item to appear in the inventory and exchange it for something else
05:02 VanessaE and do that only if a particular tool is wielded at the time
05:03 Exio i think it had some 'very easy way', like on_dig (return otherblock) or whatever
05:06 Exio and other very 'visual' thing, is possible to change the color of the "block hitbox" when you aim them?
05:07 kaeza lol trolling FTW! http://cheezburger.com/6866364160
05:07 moltenbot kaeza's link: Except During a Leap Year..... - Cheezburger
05:08 kaeza totally hilarious
05:18 * youlysses wishes that fedora had a more current release packaged.
05:19 youlysses ...Oh well, I won't be on it for atmost another week. :-P
05:21 Exio ff
05:21 Exio minetest segfaulted
05:21 Exio and i don't know why, the console only say seg fault :/
05:22 kaeza Exio: debug.txt?
05:25 Exio hm
05:27 Exio i don't see any error
05:27 Exio related for that
05:28 kaeza mods installed?
05:28 Exio nope
05:28 Exio just default
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05:29 Exio my debug.txt is flooded with lines like it: 05:17:01: INFO[ServerThread]: WARNING: active block modifiers took 719ms (longer than 200ms)
05:29 Exio poor netbook :P
05:29 kaeza hmm
05:30 kaeza do something for me:
05:30 kaeza delete debug.txt
05:30 Exio but, i don't know how to 'produce' the bug! hehe
05:30 kaeza start game, and when it crashes, pastebin or upload debug.txt
05:30 kaeza hmm
05:31 Exio wow, 27 MB my debug.txt
05:31 * kaeza 's debug.txt was 2GB
05:31 Exio i don't have enough space for that atm :P
05:32 kaeza Exio: maybe you don't have enough memory
05:32 kaeza or processing power
05:32 Exio intel atom n270 with 1gb (ram)
05:33 kaeza hmm, the processor is not bad, but I guess if 1GB is enuff...
05:33 Exio isn't bad? :P
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05:34 kaeza Intel® Atom™ Processor N270 (512K Cache, 1.60 GHz, 533 MHz FSB)
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05:39 Exio well, i will get a bulldozer soon :D
05:42 Exio going to sleep, night
05:44 kaeza night Exio
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06:01 us_0gb Hello!
06:06 OldCoder Hi
06:06 VanessaE welcome, 0gb ;)
06:07 NakedFury what is the name of your light block vanessa? homedecor:?
06:08 us_0gb VanessaE, I think your server just booted me.
06:08 VanessaE homedecor:light_panel I think
06:08 VanessaE us_0gb: you timed out I think.
06:09 VanessaE NakedFury: lemme chek
06:09 VanessaE homedecor:glowlight_thick_yellow
06:09 us_0gb Great, now my window's frozen, and I'm not running from the command line this time Quick, xkill! xkill!
06:10 VanessaE or thick_white or thin_yellow or thin_white
06:10 NakedFury going to test i
06:10 NakedFury t
06:10 VanessaE there's also a wall version, and a ceiling- or floor-mounted cube in yellow and white
06:10 VanessaE us_0gb: crashola eh? :-)
06:11 us_0gb More of a freeze than a crash, I think. The window wouldn't close.
06:13 VanessaE figures..
06:14 VanessaE my server tends to stress peoples' clients just a little ;)
06:14 us_0gb That, and my client love freezing and crashing.
06:14 us_0gb *loves
06:14 VanessaE as does mine
06:14 VanessaE no matter whose server i'm on
06:14 VanessaE I'm*
06:18 kaeza meh forums still down
06:18 kaeza o hai us_0gb
06:18 VanessaE yup :-/
06:19 us_0gb Yeah. It came up for a little bit, then went down again.
06:19 us_0gb tAnd hello!
06:19 us_0gb I think I just hit "t" to input text ....
06:19 kaeza lol
06:19 VanessaE you did :-)
06:19 kaeza too much MT
06:19 * us_0gb slaps forhead
06:20 mrdragons lol
06:20 VanessaE at least in IRC you don't have to worry about F10 crashing your client;)
06:20 us_0gb Huh. F10 open one of my menus on IRC.
06:20 kaeza F10 is a standard hotkey for "Menu"
06:21 kaeza almost the same as pressing/releasing Alt
06:21 us_0gb I was unaware. I don't really use my F keys.
06:21 VanessaE what weird, mutates OD do you run that Alt is a meny key? ;-)
06:22 kaeza on Ubuntu, it brings up the search bar
06:22 kaeza and on Win it activates the leftmost menu
06:22 us_0gb Yeah, alt alone isn't doing anything for me. And I'm on Ubuntu.
06:22 VanessaE I use Xubuntu, which lacks such weird things :-)
06:23 us_0gb My Ubuntu lacks such weird things too.
06:24 kaeza Ubuntu 12.04 here
06:24 kaeza using Unity
06:24 us_0gb Ubuntu 12.04.1 with Gnome fallback.
06:24 VanessaE Xubuntu 12.04 here because 12.10 is a steaming pile of horse manure. :-)
06:25 us_0gb Is it?
06:25 VanessaE yep.
06:25 kaeza I wish I could install another distro
06:26 us_0gb I just decided to go with the long term support version. I guess that was a good choice, but for the wrong reason.
06:26 kaeza but with this crappy 4GB cap, downloading an ISO is a no-no
06:26 VanessaE we tried Mint 14 via a virtual machine, others have run Ubuntu itself, and all agreed that it doesn't work as well as 12.04
06:26 VanessaE kaeza: still dragging your heels on ISP upgrade? :-/
06:26 kaeza yup
06:27 us_0gb I was using Mint 13 for a while, but haven't tried 14.
06:27 kaeza I plan to ditch this thing when things settle a bit (I'm a bit broke with all the festivities)
06:27 VanessaE kaeza: understood
06:28 VanessaE been there, done that, got the overdue bills to prove it :D
06:28 VanessaE (except we're broke for a different reason :) )
06:29 kaeza well, if I spent less in drinks and smokes, I could easily avoid that lol
06:29 VanessaE haha
06:29 kaeza oh that's bad
06:30 VanessaE ?
06:30 kaeza been remodelling your house?
06:30 VanessaE the real one or my in-game one?
06:30 kaeza IRL
06:30 VanessaE yup
06:30 VanessaE today I tore out a flight of stairs
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06:30 us_0gb Sounds like fun.
06:31 VanessaE and I've got the sore toe (hammer -> foot), hand (slipped, hit a board), and elbow (ditto) to prove it :-)
06:31 kaeza heh
06:31 us_0gb Quck! Pretend we weren't talking about Jakssoul!
06:31 Jakssoul us_0gb, Did you respond to me on the forum? I've not checked yet.
06:31 Jakssoul Hahaahah! :D
06:31 Jakssoul Skillful.
06:31 VanessaE forums are down again Jakssoul
06:31 kaeza teh forumz are down :/
06:31 us_0gb Is the forum back up?
06:31 us_0gb What thread?
06:31 VanessaE us_0gb: nope.
06:32 Jakssoul Oh blah! :(
06:32 Jakssoul On Minetest's popularity,
06:32 kaeza It seems PilzAdam is still a favorite
06:32 Jakssoul No no no.
06:32 kaeza just onee vote ahead of VanessaE
06:32 us_0gb This is one of many reasons why we should NEVER have to log into the game using our forum accounts.
06:32 Jakssoul I mean MINETEST. Not it's people.
06:33 us_0gb Favorite of who?
06:33 VanessaE kaeza: until rubenwardy updated his tallies...then I'll probably fall to 2 behind Adam :-)
06:33 Jakssoul But you're just too awesome to lose! :p
06:33 VanessaE us_0gb: overall
06:33 Jakssoul Is he ever even on the IRC?
06:33 kaeza agreed
06:33 VanessaE sure he is
06:34 kaeza Jakssoul: mostly idle on #minetest
06:34 Jakssoul Not since I've been here. Or at the times I am at least.
06:34 Jakssoul :p
06:34 VanessaE ok guys, I'm off to bed before I fall asleep at the keys
06:34 VanessaE night :-)
06:34 Jakssoul Goodnight.
06:34 kaeza night V
06:34 us_0gb Yeah, I need to go to bed soon too. But I'm finishing this small hut too.
06:35 us_0gb tGoodnight.
06:35 * kaeza is bragging about how Pilz Adam gave him his 1000th post
06:35 * us_0gb hit "t" again ....
06:35 * Jakssoul doesn't care because he's SO cool.
06:35 kaeza lol
06:35 Jakssoul xD
06:35 kaeza us_0gb: you're playing too much Minetest
06:35 Jakssoul Not possible!
06:36 us_0gb What do you mean? No I'm not. *shifty eyes*
06:41 us_0gb I should have made my house entirely out of locked chests and steel doors. Then no one could wreck it.
06:42 kaeza us_0gb: seems like the only true antigriefing option right now
06:42 us_0gb Unless your house is made of locked chests, I'm not sure what good locked doors are in the default game.
06:42 us_0gb I do like them though.
06:43 us_0gb Don't get me wrong.
06:43 kaeza I understand you
06:44 kaeza you make your house of wood, and use a steel door
06:44 kaeza *genius*
06:44 us_0gb I know, right?
06:44 kaeza "no one will enter my house"
06:44 us_0gb On VanessaE's server, I found a house with a steel door. But everyone has fly/noclip there.
06:45 kaeza that's even worse
06:45 us_0gb Everyone can easily get past the door.
06:45 kaeza but in creative there's really no win in stealing other people's possessions
06:46 kaeza so I guess that's ok
06:46 us_0gb I've also seen locked chests full of stuff there. But it's creative mode. Why do you need to store stuff? And why does it matter if it gets stolen?
06:46 kaeza heh
06:46 kaeza the griefing is a problem though
06:47 kaeza but there's no reasonable option right now
06:47 kaeza the node_ownership mod has it's advantages
06:47 us_0gb I'm putting one locked chest in my house, just so people know who's house it is though. But it won't be full of junk.
06:48 us_0gb Yeah, my Land Claim plugin is based on the ideas of node_ownership and protector.
06:48 kaeza but unless you hack it, you are pretty much screwed if the user who placed the blocks leaves forever
06:49 us_0gb I actually like it that way. As long as the user dosen't protct a lava flow or something.
06:49 us_0gb I don't want the historical buildings demolished.
06:50 kaeza if you remove the fire mod, lava bocomes less of a danger to sturucture
06:50 kaeza structures*
06:50 kaeza becomes*
06:50 us_0gb My Land Claims protect against fire.
06:51 kaeza yeah
06:51 kaeza I tried it
06:51 us_0gb So no need to remove fire.
06:52 kaeza now if only someone hacked lava so it doesn't damage players... I guess that's not an option actually
06:52 us_0gb Why is that not an option?
06:53 kaeza I mean, you can do it, but it takes more away from the survival element
06:53 kaeza for legitimately generated lava
06:53 us_0gb True. Which is also true for removing fire.
06:54 us_0gb Oops, I dug into a lava flow. Now all my torches burned away.
06:54 kaeza I get your point
06:55 us_0gb On Globis's server, I used to dam lava with logs.
06:55 us_0gb It was so odd ...
06:55 kaeza hmm... disabling lava buckets has also disadvantages, since lava is legitimately used for decorative purposes
06:56 us_0gb Right. Which is why they're only disabled in claimed areas.
06:56 us_0gb It's not a perfect system, but it's the best I can come up with.
06:57 kaeza yeah... this discussion about grief prevention has going on for ages
06:58 kaeza but you cannot devise a system that prevents griefing without affecting legit uses of griefing tools
06:58 kaeza err
06:58 kaeza you get the point
06:58 us_0gb Here's a question: Why do players call vandalism "grief", but not call murder "grief"?
06:59 kaeza that's a good question
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07:00 kaeza but the thing is if they can kill you, then you have a chance to defend yourself
07:00 us_0gb I mean, it's not like people were looking for a word to describe it. There's already a word: vandaism.
07:01 kaeza whereas anyone cam come and "grief" (or destroy) you house when you are away/disconnected
07:01 kaeza can*
07:01 us_0gb Yeah, but why not just call it vandalism, because that's what it is?
07:01 kaeza true
07:02 kaeza the only real solution (albeit a not very efficient one) would be to have a  moderator watching the server 24/7
07:03 us_0gb And what's up with the term "griefing"? You can GIVE someone grief, but you can't "grief them". "Grief" is NOT a verb.
07:03 us_0gb You'd need a moderator you can trust, too.
07:04 us_0gb My sister has dealt with moderators that wreck her bases ....
07:04 kaeza I get your point
07:05 kaeza but for example, what most server admins want is that players join their server right?
07:05 kaeza so more or less, they want fame
07:06 kaeza what good will do if a moderator/admin destroys the players' houses?
07:07 us_0gb Right. You can usually trust the administrator, because you can trust that they want to keep you. It's bad MODERATORS my sister was dealing with.
07:07 kaeza so if a mod is a jerk, you report it to an admin
07:07 us_0gb True enough.
07:07 kaeza and if the admin is a jerk, you simply leave the server and find a better one
07:08 us_0gb It sucks that you'll lose your creations though.
07:09 us_0gb That's why I started my own, actually. The server I was at got wiped, and I didn't want it to happen again.
07:09 kaeza yeah, but you'll have too much work rebuilding your house again and again if both the mod and the admin are jerks
07:09 kaeza nice
07:09 us_0gb That is a good point.
07:11 kaeza I never had these problems since I mostly play singleplayer
07:11 kaeza but Vanessa's server and Shaun's server are quite peaceful
07:12 us_0gb I only do any real building on servers with protector or my plugin installed, so I also don't have these issues.
07:12 kaeza and I bet V will surely kill anyone that destroys her world ^_^
07:12 us_0gb Redcrab has a unique setup though, one that also works. So I build there too.
07:13 kaeza how so?
07:13 kaeza I mean, I never played on redcrab's
07:13 us_0gb VanessaE's server was beautiful when I first went there. But now people filled it with stacks of televisions, and such.
07:13 kaeza lol true... sadly
07:14 us_0gb Redcrab has a custom version of node_ownership, that lets a player define their own protected spaces.
07:15 us_0gb I don't build heavily on servers that use node_ownership as their form of protection, but I make an exception for Redcrab's server, because of the customization.
07:16 kaeza that's a good idea. does it also protect against bucket based attacks?
07:17 us_0gb I don't think node_ownership does, but his version protects against buckets. In fact, you can't even use buckets in unprotected areas. Only in your own areas.
07:17 kaeza that's a good idea indeed
07:18 us_0gb You can FILL in areas you don't own though.
07:18 us_0gb Which is less dangerous.
07:19 kaeza also, comparing two numbers (pos of node being modified and range of owned area) is much faster than say protector which checks for protector node in vicinity
07:19 kaeza i.e: node by node
07:19 us_0gb Yeah. That's why I took mine in a different direction.
07:21 us_0gb Mine should have faster lookups than node_ownership too, because you don't have to check against EVERY protected area. But mine also has more data to keep in memory, so it's a tradeoff.
07:21 us_0gb I'm still looking for a better way.
07:22 us_0gb Someone flooded VanessaE's forest ....
07:22 kaeza lolwut
07:23 us_0gb Water. But I fixed it.
07:23 kaeza hmm... you're giving me an idea
07:23 us_0gb Care to elaborate?
07:24 kaeza stupid idea of mine, but since I have much free time nowadays...
07:24 kaeza yes
07:24 kaeza hmm
07:24 kaeza basically, a "beacon" node
07:25 us_0gb I think someone built one at one point.
07:25 kaeza you put it wherever you think someone may have destroyed something
07:25 kaeza and it stores a special message in the log
07:25 us_0gb Oh, nice. And wait for a moderator.
07:26 kaeza aha
07:26 kaeza and the moderator reads the log and sees who made the mess
07:26 kaeza no one but an admin can remove the beacon
07:27 kaeza obviously, the mod must also punish if a beacon is placed unjustifiably
07:28 kaeza and you give a single beacon per user
07:28 kaeza so they must place it wisely
07:28 kaeza it's not a perfect idea
07:28 kaeza but what the hell
07:28 us_0gb Sounds good. The moderator can give them a new one if they rightfully used their old one.
07:29 kaeza right
07:30 us_0gb Anyway, I'm way overdue for bed. Good night.
07:30 kaeza and maybe "good samaritan" (or police) users can get more than one beacon if the admin sees he deserves
07:30 kaeza good night
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08:35 john_minetest good morning.
08:48 kaeza morning
08:51 john_minetest !up minetest.net
08:51 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.net:30000 DOWN
08:52 john_minetest :/
08:52 john_minetest minetest.net is down. but moltenbot only checks port 30000.
08:52 john_minetest !up minetest.net:80
08:52 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.net:80:80 DOWN
08:53 john_minetest =?
08:53 john_minetest nvm
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08:55 john_minetest on minetest.com there is an error on the main page: shortcomings: "no sounds".
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09:02 kaeza john_minetest: minetest.net is down
09:02 kaeza and it's minetest.org:30000
09:03 kaeza !up minetest.org
09:03 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30000 DOWN
09:03 kaeza ?
09:03 john_minetest yes, i wanted to look if minetest.net is up. moltenbot added the :30000
09:03 john_minetest !up minetest.org:30015
09:03 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN
09:03 kaeza ??
09:03 john_minetest o_O
09:04 kaeza !up minetest.org 30015
09:04 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 UP
09:04 kaeza aha!
09:04 kaeza anyway, I'm off to bed now
09:04 kaeza good night/morning everyone
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09:27 john_minetest Hey Jeija!
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09:53 john_minetest hi sapier
09:53 sapier hello
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09:54 LunaVorax Hi!
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10:14 sapier can anyone tell me if minetest is using multithreading?
10:15 Zeg9 For singleplayer, sure
10:15 Zeg9 I'm not sure about multiplayer though
10:16 sapier are lua scripts done in parallel too?
10:17 Zeg9 I don't think
10:18 sapier puuh ... I hope you're right
10:18 thexyz lua is single-threaded
10:18 sapier good :-) adding synchronisation to lua scripty may be difficult
10:18 thexyz otherwise we'd have many fun errors
10:21 sapier I know ... is there even something like mutexes or semaphores in lua?
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11:01 john_minetest FORUM IS UP AGAIN !!!
11:01 Zeg9 Everyone will rush on it
11:01 Zeg9 making it unusable again lol
11:01 sapier yes .. and mobf is supporting animated mobs as of 1.9.1 release
11:01 Zeg9 sapier: Great!
11:02 sapier doesn't mean all mobs are animated by now ;-)
11:16 RealBadAngel default tree vs L-system apple tree: http://realbadangel.pl/apple_tree.png
11:18 RealBadAngel i have almost finished L-system tree generator, still adding new features
11:18 sapier can you add tree growth? making worlds a little bit more dynamic?
11:19 john_minetest sapier: i downloaded animal_modpack, but where can i find mobf?
11:19 sapier mobf is part of animals_modpack
11:19 sapier those animals are only there to demonstrate what mobf can do ;-)
11:20 john_minetest it tells me "unsatisfied dependencies (mobf)
11:20 john_minetest afk 0.5 h
11:20 sapier is it the only message ore are other mods missing too?
11:20 sapier mobf itself depends on some mods
11:21 RealBadAngel tree above was generated with this: http://pastebin.com/jdCLLNUL
11:21 moltenbot RealBadAngel's link: local pos = pointed_thing.above  apple_tree={  axiom="FFFFAF",  rule - Pastebin.com
11:21 john_mt|afk mobf, inventory_plus, fire, wool
11:21 RealBadAngel saper you can define all when spawnin a tree
11:21 john_mt|afk oh, so I need the default gamre
11:21 john_mt|afk *game.
11:21 john_mt|afk bbl, cya
11:21 FreeFull sapier: I imagine adding tree growth and decay would produce more of a strain, especially since you want it all to happen in an instant when you load a place you haven't been to in a while
11:21 RealBadAngel decay shall be removed
11:22 RealBadAngel it wont work with big trees
11:22 RealBadAngel imagine decay facing this: ive cut one fully grown oak, over 5300 leaves, over 250 trunks
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11:23 RealBadAngel hi PilzAdam, right in time
11:23 sapier @freefull ok I don't know how heavy that l-tree algorithm is and if it's even suitable for dynamic growth
11:23 PilzAdam Hello RBA & others
11:24 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, 2 links for ya, http://realbadangel.pl/apple_tree.png and http://pastebin.com/jdCLLNUL
11:24 sapier I just wanted to mention about half a year ago I've been convinced tress with sizes above 20 are not wanted ;-)
11:25 RealBadAngel hehhe
11:25 sapier have a look at the discussion in growing_trees if you don't believe me ;-)
11:25 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, treegen is fully configureable from LUA now
11:25 PilzAdam nice
11:26 RealBadAngel and able to replace even small default trees
11:26 sapier pilzadam can you fix github issue 229? ;-)
11:26 sapier @realbadangel did you do some performance tests too?
11:26 RealBadAngel and also is able to produce any kind of fruit tree
11:27 RealBadAngel sapier, of course, replaced default treegen with 20 times bigger trees
11:27 RealBadAngel not much of a difference
11:27 sapier I'd prefere faster operation to bigger trees ;-)
11:27 RealBadAngel notice you have to generate far less big trees than default sticks
11:29 PilzAdam sapier, dunno, seems a bit hacky
11:29 sapier :-) that's not what I'm talking about ... it wouldn't be got if this algorithm is lets say 100 times faster for bigger trees but 10000 slower for small ones ... the exact numbers don't matter
11:29 RealBadAngel sapier: fast operation timings are preffered when catchin fleas
11:29 RealBadAngel ;)
11:29 sapier @pilzadam ... it is but it's better than having a server run havok anytime it's at its performance limit
11:29 sapier and real world has a speed limit too ... its speed of light
11:32 sapier and i don't see any other solution if a server isn't capable of doing all the calculations needed to be done (atm) it's better to skipe some calculations than to sit there consume all load and memory until os kills us
11:33 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
11:33 moltenbot RealBadAngel's link: RealBadAngel/minetest ? GitHub
11:33 RealBadAngel git with treegen, up to date vs current master
11:34 RealBadAngel i need to make just a few more fixes to it, then will pull it
11:35 RealBadAngel later today will make also LUA part for minetest_game, VanessaE made yesterday textures for several kinds of trees
11:37 sapier isn't pi a compiler preprocessor macro?
11:37 john_minetest back
11:37 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, can you add the API function to Lua-api-txt?
11:37 RealBadAngel look at the example atm
11:37 PilzAdam and why are you modifying the caves generation?
11:38 RealBadAngel because it was fucked up
11:38 RealBadAngel caves were generated above ground
11:38 RealBadAngel and were destroying everythin
11:38 PilzAdam I guess this should be a seperate commit
11:38 RealBadAngel it will be part of hmms mapgen
11:39 RealBadAngel but i was sick of those caves
11:39 RealBadAngel i suggest you replace CONTENT_AIR with c_mese
11:39 RealBadAngel and see what fuckin cave generator was doing
11:40 PilzAdam I saw the screenshots on -dev
11:40 RealBadAngel you will be suprised seeing mese clouds
11:40 sapier I like mese clouds :-)
11:40 RealBadAngel and it doesnt have to  be separate commit because i was workin on mapgen
11:41 RealBadAngel very same file
11:41 sapier :-) sounds like "I was working on minetest so I change everywhere" ;-)
11:41 RealBadAngel no
11:42 RealBadAngel that was part of the very same loop
11:42 sapier probably someone wants to fix the vaults but not your l-system trees ...
11:42 RealBadAngel not even another function
11:43 RealBadAngel yes, those changes will be included with hmm's mapgen rework
11:43 sapier true but stil completely different things a vault is a vault a tree a tree ;)
11:43 sapier I don't see much things those two things have in common
11:43 RealBadAngel but theres no point when im testin my work seein it completely destroyed by broken cave code :)
11:44 john_minetest mobf should only depend on the mods in minetest_game.
11:44 sapier but it's not my decision so my opinion most likely isn't of any interest
11:44 sapier @john_minetest it does
11:44 RealBadAngel they have in common this simple fact thar one destroys results of another
11:44 RealBadAngel logical?
11:44 john_minetest sapier: mobf_settings depends on inventory_plus
11:46 RealBadAngel anyway as i said, final release of treegen will come without those changes
11:46 sapier @realbadangel no it isn't i don't know if this rule applies to minetest too but at any other project I've been involved. One Patch --> one feature/ problem fix
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11:46 sapier @john_minetest mobf_settings isn't mobf if you don't want to use settings gui you can delete it ;-)
11:46 RealBadAngel shall i said it for the third time?
11:47 john_minetest sapier: okay
11:47 sapier @realbadAngel sorry I've been already writing when you told that final wont contain it
11:47 RealBadAngel i said it already 5 minutes ago
11:47 RealBadAngel <PilzAdam> I guess this should be a seperate commit
11:47 RealBadAngel <RealBadAngel> it will be part of hmms mapgen
11:48 sapier ok i didn't understand this as "it'll not be in treegen fix"
11:48 RealBadAngel np :)
11:49 RealBadAngel its in this git because im testin the trees how them should look like, not how they can be fucked by caves ;)
11:49 sapier as you're used to mapgen do you have an idea how to add random elements to water?
11:50 RealBadAngel like for example?
11:50 sapier fish
11:51 sapier atm I use a abm linked to water looking for other fish nearby ... this is a real performance killer even with low abm chances
11:51 sapier looking for other fish to avoid crowded seas
11:52 RealBadAngel i can take a look where it might be placed
11:53 sapier spawning algorithms in lua are real performance hogs if those can be moved to c++ everyone would benefit
11:53 sapier thats's why most "mob" mods out there use eggs to spawn mobs
11:53 john_minetest sapier: mobf crashes with "attempt to index field spawnpoint (a nil value)"
11:54 RealBadAngel indeed, i can see the difference with trees
11:54 sapier john_minetest can you send me full output?
11:54 RealBadAngel spawnin a big tree by lua was measured in seconds, callin c++ from LUA is instant
11:55 sapier realbadangel: spawning isn't a problem if your mod has only on mob for example but as soon as you support more it's a real problem
11:55 RealBadAngel treegen depends on heavy calculations with matrices
11:56 sapier I assume your main problem was node access if you try to look for each node when you need it you'll have a full lua->c++->lua transition everytime
11:56 RealBadAngel and as i said, big tree can consist of almost 6k of nodes, thats more than whole mapblock
11:57 RealBadAngel and when made in c++ spawning such tree is instant
11:57 sapier of course but i assume that big trees aren't realy often used ;-)
11:57 FreeFull You could live inside such a tree, couldn't you?
11:58 RealBadAngel yup :)
11:58 RealBadAngel takin down such tree takes circa half an hour
11:58 sapier sounds like worldgen not treegen ;-)
11:58 sapier i think fire is faster ;-)
11:58 FreeFull RealBadAngel: Even with the timber mod?
11:59 RealBadAngel timber mod wont work with them
11:59 RealBadAngel decay neither
11:59 sapier why?
11:59 FreeFull =P
11:59 RealBadAngel imagine collecting 6k nodes
11:59 RealBadAngel and what would happen to the game
11:59 sapier limit it to 3k nodes
12:00 sapier having leaves hang around is a big step back
12:00 RealBadAngel that was working with sticks
12:00 RealBadAngel not with the trees
12:01 sapier ok I'm not talking about timber mod ... that can be fixed if they want to
12:01 RealBadAngel propably
12:01 sapier but leave decay is a must have
12:01 RealBadAngel if you have nasa mainframe ready for such calculations....
12:02 sapier I assume if your treegen is used for small trees leave decay will work?
12:02 RealBadAngel youre welcome
12:02 RealBadAngel if you decide to pick default:leaves in definition, decay will work
12:02 sapier It's easy to tell "not possible" this is a game perfect simulation os of no worth if it can't be played anymore
12:03 sapier ok so leave decay can work
12:03 RealBadAngel decay with such trees will be every server murderer
12:03 sapier enough to me
12:03 sapier then we need to think about other solutions
12:03 RealBadAngel ideas welcome
12:04 RealBadAngel until then, no decay for anything bigger than 1,5x default tree maximum
12:04 sapier in my opinion minetest worlds are far to static ... don't get me wrong your trees look great! but they seem to make the world even more static
12:05 RealBadAngel they change far more than you think
12:05 RealBadAngel you shall play a bit with them
12:05 sapier hmm I'm running growing_trees with trees as big as 20 nodes having leaves dynamicaly decay and beeing readded ... but of course growing_trees are rare
12:06 RealBadAngel now you can have randomly selected stage of growth when spawned
12:06 sapier I don't want to "play" with trees ...trees are some sort of decoration ... it's fun if they change by time
12:07 RealBadAngel i cant see any sensible solution for replacing a few k of nodes to provide growth over time
12:07 sapier still they stay the same as soon as generated
12:07 sapier true talking about some k nodes it won't work anymore but do those trees need to have some k nodes?
12:08 RealBadAngel the biggest ones, yes
12:08 sapier so I'm going to chop the trunk and have thousands of leaves floating around in air ...
12:09 sapier still you've done great work
12:09 RealBadAngel have you ever have such thoughts when comparing several hundred years old oak, or sequoia wood to the apple tree in your garden?
12:09 RealBadAngel does they have to be such big for christ sake??
12:10 sapier :-) real world has plenty of "computation power" ;-)
12:11 sapier in our case it's deciding adding a more realism in shape of trees (l-system trees)
12:11 sapier or adding more realism in behaviour of trees (leave decay)
12:11 RealBadAngel trees can be shaped as you like
12:11 sapier i think this is a matter of personal preference
12:11 RealBadAngel up to u, they have kinda programming language
12:12 RealBadAngel to design them
12:12 sapier as far as i understood you using l-system trees won't make leave decay obsolete in any case
12:12 RealBadAngel u can design with it any shape you want
12:12 sapier so it's good
12:13 celeron55 it's interesting to note that mine* games are unique in the aspect that almost everything in the world is simultaneously art and gameplay elements
12:13 RealBadAngel hi celeron55, i nearly finished the treegen
12:13 sapier hello
12:13 celeron55 (and different people weigh them differently)
12:14 sapier true and someone has to decide (meaning you celeron55) ;-)
12:14 RealBadAngel celeron55, you can take a look at WIP version of it, https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
12:14 moltenbot RealBadAngel's link: RealBadAngel/minetest ? GitHub
12:15 RealBadAngel ive also made a pretty neat interface to LUA
12:16 RealBadAngel so engine part wont hold any hardcoded tree definitions
12:18 RealBadAngel i was thinkin about writing tutorial bout L-system tree design, and makin in forum topic for ppl, let them design some trees and then pick the best ones for the game
12:19 berome RealBadAngel: tutorial is always a good idea I think
12:21 berome seeing "post your screenshot" threads, wich is big and heavy sawn, confirm implication of users is a good idea too
12:21 RealBadAngel there are already some tree screnshots there
12:22 celeron55 RealBadAngel: looks reasonable, except of one thing: treegen.h includes way too much headers
12:23 celeron55 environment.h irrlichttypes_extrabloated.h are huge beasts and there should never be any reason to include them in *.h
12:23 celeron55 unless you have too fast a computer and need to extend compile times many times longer in the long run
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12:24 RealBadAngel i know, i need to do some cleanin before pulling
12:25 celeron55 also you should probably add an another copyright line in treegen.cpp, as most of it is yours
12:26 RealBadAngel ok. another note, i used different naming method for two helper functions
12:27 RealBadAngel i used such names because those are names of functions from irrlicht 1.8, ported there
12:27 sapier is ther eany reason why lava can't be seen from below water?
12:27 RealBadAngel when game will move to 1.8 helpers can be replaced with natives just
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12:29 celeron55 that will be like in 2 years 8) or whichever long it takes for debian stable to include irrlicht 1.8
12:30 FreeFull sapier: It's the way that minetest handles liquids right now I think
12:30 celeron55 (i mean, even debian unstable is still at 1.7.3...)
12:31 sapier ok ... it's funny if you've got a whome mountain covered with lava drop into water an see the trees below lava again
12:31 FreeFull Slackware went straight from 4 to 7
12:31 john_minetest sapier: i can't reproduce the error any more...
12:32 RealBadAngel squeeze is 1.7.1 even
12:33 sapier @john_minetest i think this is a follow up error I've seen in rare occasions ... I'll have a look at possible sources of this error but it'll be a little bit difficult to find
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12:33 sapier did you try animated mob too? you need to spawn it by /spawnmob mob_npc:npc <pos>
12:37 john_minetest sapier: got the error again and got the cli output: http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/11684
12:37 moltenbot john_minetest's link: Pastebit, beep beep beep
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12:37 davidpace Hi All!
12:37 john_minetest hi
12:38 sapier wooh ... looks strange
12:38 sapier thanks for your log
12:42 john_minetest sapier: happens more often now. 30 seconds of playing and then this error comes, even with a fresh map.
12:45 john_minetest sapier: watched at the time. 1:00 of playing before crash. the mob_npc:npc looks AWESOME!!!
12:50 sapier I'm going to add a workaround to not make mobf crash ... it's not fixing the real fault but will make mobf work more stable again
12:52 sapier @john_minetest if you used git version I've added a commit fixing it ... i'll release 1.9.2 soon
12:53 john_minetest i used the standard version.
12:53 john_minetest i will try git
12:53 sapier it's a small fix so maybe you can add it manualy too
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13:03 markveidemanis Hello
13:04 berome hello
13:06 RealBadAngel sapier: its useful to put EVERYWHERE check if not nil
13:06 RealBadAngel it pops up in very strage places
13:07 RealBadAngel where theoreticaly nil should never appear lua will find a way to stick it there
13:07 sapier in generall thats true ... but checking anything for nil will blow up mobf code by factor 10 making it defacto unreadable
13:08 sapier and "nil" is a reasonable value for many cases it's saying "not there"
13:08 RealBadAngel just do it this way, for example if youre usuing player, use if (player) then
13:09 sapier they bug john_minetest discovered is somehow related to dynamic_data geting lost which basicaly could happen anywhere in mobf as lua doesn't have a "private" concept
13:10 RealBadAngel i told  ya, lua found  a way ;)
13:10 RealBadAngel shes a nasty bitch ;)
13:10 RealBadAngel where devil cant go, will send lua to do his job ;0
13:10 sapier most time I do this to but at many occasion I don't check for nil by purpose in cases were a nil value is a bug
13:11 sapier lua isn't that bad it just requires more brains from programmer ;-)
13:11 sapier most of us don't have ... me too ;-)
13:11 RealBadAngel hard to get used to
13:12 sapier I've written so many languages by now lua isn't even close to worst :-)
13:12 RealBadAngel but from my experience, checks for nil are a must-have
13:13 sapier in general thats true ... but what to do if it fails? in most cases you want to have an exception ... lua doesn't have on if I'm correct
13:14 RealBadAngel 99% stuff crashes because variable is lost, not defined or went for a beer
13:14 RealBadAngel which results in nil
13:14 sapier true, but in many cases you need that value to be defined ... so error happened before
13:14 RealBadAngel rest is in the hands of coder
13:15 RealBadAngel ive chosen to ignore when nil and do nothin
13:15 markveidemanis I JUST FINISHED CHAPTER 2 IN WORLD OF GOO!
13:15 sapier yes thats what exception handling is for ... try to continue in production code and kill app in debug mode to find the error as soon as possible
13:15 RealBadAngel just skip this particular callback
13:15 markveidemanis chapter 3: cog in the machine
13:16 sapier iIf you've lost all your private data defining a mob you can't continue ;-)
13:16 RealBadAngel it happens often when callback is made before initialization procedures
13:16 RealBadAngel which shall never happen in theory
13:16 sapier callbacks in mobf explicitly check if initialization is done
13:17 RealBadAngel setting init flag is also a solution
13:17 sapier that's the way it's done
13:18 RealBadAngel but lua has ways we have never dreamed of ;)
13:18 sapier I've added a "state change" feature in last version switching an entity to another one  while preserving its private data thus those data need to be transfered ... somewhere within that code might still be an error
13:19 sapier variable/pointer handling in lua is a nightmare
13:31 markveidemanis hi
13:32 WOGCorp hello
13:32 WOGCorp World  Of  Goo
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13:48 markveidemanis hi
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13:51 markveidemanis hi
13:54 markveidemanis can a computer use wifi AND 3g
13:54 markveidemanis at the same tine
13:54 markveidemanis or commect to 2 wifi netoorks
13:55 sapier it can connect but it can't route through both at same time
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13:57 markveidemanis i want to connect to my phone's wifi => 3G network aswell as my  router
13:59 sapier ok thats a little bit difficult, most likely the phone hardware is capable of doing it bit assuming its android or iphone neither google nor apple do support this usecase
14:00 markveidemanis oh
14:03 markveidemanis ok
14:04 markveidemanis but i can do USB connection AND wifi...may try that
14:07 markveidemanis tt
14:07 markveidemanis useing 3G now
14:13 PilzAdam thexyz, in the Minetest API wiki you dont go to the correct site if you search for the method names without prefix "minetest."
14:13 PilzAdam should I add redirects to all methods?
14:15 markveidemanis ?
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14:17 markveidemanis_ hi
14:21 markveidemanis \nick NyanCat
14:21 NyanCat j
14:25 minetester1 HAHA
14:25 minetester1 who will be minetester3?
14:27 thexyz PilzAdam: it's designed to act like this because you call minetest.register_node, not register_node
14:28 PilzAdam its unhandy
14:29 thexyz oh, you mean that search is stupid
14:30 PilzAdam normally I go to lua-api.txt hit Ctrl + F and type "register_node"
14:30 PilzAdam in the wiki I have to type minetest.register_node
14:31 thexyz ok, i'll try to install sphinx search
14:31 thexyz well, redirects are fine too, feel free to make them
14:31 PilzAdam k, will do
14:32 thexyz thanks for your support, btw
14:50 PilzAdam 1/3 finished
15:02 markveidemanis i may have found a bug in technic
15:02 markveidemanis if i drag out of a mithril locked chest, the item stays in and it all adds up if i do it multiple times
15:03 PilzAdam 2/3 finished
15:04 john_minetest there should be the possibility to produce wool in the default game.
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15:12 markveidemanis how i enable noclip in minetest.conf
15:15 PilzAdam noclip = true
15:18 PilzAdam thexyz, done: http://api.minetest.net/Special:RecentChanges
15:18 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Recent changes - Minetest API
15:20 thexyz PilzAdam: nice
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15:27 Calinou hi :D
15:28 Exio hai Calinou
15:28 Exio :>
15:28 RealBadAngel oke doke, added pitch/yaw/roll commands for L-system turtle
15:29 RealBadAngel now its possible to design ANY shape of tree
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15:40 Calinou turtle trees!
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15:43 celeron55 http://api.minetest.net/Intro#Try_it_out.21
15:43 moltenbot celeron55's link: Intro - Minetest API
15:43 celeron55 somebody should probably correct that one 8)
15:43 celeron55 the part about giving yourself the privilege
15:44 PilzAdam I can do that
15:44 celeron55 i guess auth.txt shouldn't even be mentioned and just assume a singleplayer game
15:45 PilzAdam done
15:46 celeron55 hmm, also... isn't that "" way of writing the output item not recommended currently? http://api.minetest.net/Intro#Define_a_craft_recipe
15:46 moltenbot celeron55's link: Intro - Minetest API
15:46 celeron55 or whas it some other thing
15:46 celeron55 was*
15:47 PilzAdam never saw it like this
15:47 PilzAdam but itemstring says it should be "mod:name 2"
15:47 celeron55 it had some problems with... umm... something
15:48 celeron55 the engine accepts that, but mods that inspect the crafting output stuff don't like it
15:48 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/206
15:48 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: get_craft_recipe() not working when register_craft() has internal quotes ? Issue #206 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
15:49 Calinou celeron55: "Launch the game now, and notice that the mods are automatically loaded and compiled." < mods aren't compiled, amirite?
15:49 Calinou they're just read by lua interpreter...
15:49 Calinou someone is wrong on the internet
15:49 celeron55 well, lua compiles them to bytecode
15:49 Calinou luajit, no?
15:49 celeron55 luajit compiles to native code
15:49 PilzAdam fixed the quotes thing
15:49 Calinou ah
15:50 sapier has luajit been enabled?
15:50 Calinou no
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15:56 celeron55 read through the rest of it; now it's pretty good and up-to-date
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16:21 jeffrash I see the server is shutting down.  Is everything ok?
16:22 jeffrash Zeg9, can you backup my castle again?
16:23 Zeg9 jeffrash, coming
16:24 Zeg9 jeffrash, it seems the server crashed. Or OldCoder is restarting it
16:24 jeffrash yes, I was just asking about that too
16:25 jeffrash I was on and saw the message server shutting down.  So I don't think it was a crash
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16:30 markveidemanis hi
16:31 markveidemanis ?
16:32 jeffrash Hi, markveidemanis
16:33 markveidemanis hello
16:33 markveidemanis any way to make internet FASTER?
16:33 jeffrash just waiting on the server to come backup
16:33 jeffrash sure, faster connection
16:33 markveidemanis or is zeg's server down?
16:33 markveidemanis ok
16:34 jeffrash Yes, I was on when it went down
16:34 markveidemanis an XBOX is using WiFi so i am using 3G/HSDPA
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16:34 markveidemanis is there a way to make my samsung galaxy ace use 3G and not HSDPA?
16:37 markveidemanis when will server be up
16:38 jeffrash I will check back later
16:39 markveidemanis minetest.org:30015 DOWN <== why is it down?
16:40 * markveidemanis <== he wants to know why it's down
16:41 Zeg9 jeffrash, when a mod crashes, the sever says "server shutting down" before crashing
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16:44 jeffrash oh, I see
16:44 jeffrash I didn't know that
16:45 markveidemanis_ my computer ran out of memory and chrome said "he's dead, jim"
16:46 markveidemanis_ minetest.org:30015 UP
16:47 jeffrash markveidemanis, it's not up yet
16:47 markveidemanis yeh it is, im connecting
16:48 jeffrash oh, ok.  I'm not able to
16:48 markveidemanis its down again!
16:49 Zeg9 !up minetest.org 30015
16:49 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN
16:49 Zeg9 !up minetest.org
16:49 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30000 UP
16:49 markveidemanis ha!
16:50 Calinou markveidemanis: HSDPA is some kind of 3G improvement
16:50 markveidemanis improved 3G?
16:52 Calinou yes
16:53 markveidemanis yay, i have better 3G then
16:53 markveidemanis i thought 3g was better...
16:53 markveidemanis or UMTS
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17:23 markveidemanis minetest.org:30015 UP or DOWN?
17:24 Calinou !up minetest.org:30015
17:24 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN
17:25 markveidemanis and why?
17:25 markveidemanis DOWN for  too  long
17:27 thexyz !up minetest.org 30015
17:27 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN
17:27 markveidemanis why is it DOWN
17:31 markveidemanis ok, who wants to go on my server
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17:37 Zeg9 !up minetest.org 30015
17:37 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN
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17:41 markveidemanis Zeg9: can you send me the zegaton map?
17:41 Zeg9 markveidemanis , I only have an old one
17:41 markveidemanis ok
17:41 markveidemanis before the restart?
17:41 Zeg9 markveidemanis, ask OldCoder for the current one, also it is saved under levelDB, so you need a levelDB compatible client
17:42 markveidemanis levelDB?
17:42 Zeg9 markveidemanis, before the server was hosted by OldCoder
17:42 markveidemanis Zeg9: can i have a link to the leveldb thing?
17:43 markveidemanis ima have a go at survival on minetest singleplaye
17:45 Zeg9 markveidemanis, can't find it
17:45 markveidemanis ok
17:45 Zeg9 if you want I can give you an old version of it that is still under sqlite
17:47 markveidemanis ok
17:47 markveidemanis will it have my house?
17:48 Zeg9 No, it wouldn't
17:49 markveidemanis ok
17:49 markveidemanis no then
17:49 markveidemanis il just stick to playing on the server
17:49 markveidemanis my singleplayer is slower than the server...
17:50 Calinou because he's single
17:50 Calinou poor player :(
17:50 markveidemanis i gave up on singleplayer, btw
17:51 markveidemanis too boring
17:55 markveidemanis k
17:55 markveidemanis is serveer up?
18:02 markveidemanis who here is on a minetest.org server?
18:02 markveidemanis any port
18:02 markveidemanis post
18:03 * VanessaE peeks in for a sec
18:03 markveidemanis AnyOne?
18:04 VanessaE markveidemanis: my world backup at 30017 works.
18:04 * markveidemanis <== he wants to know if there is anyone on the minetest.org servers
18:04 markveidemanis ok
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18:07 markveidemanis [18:06] CTCP TIME reply from OldCoder: Wed Dec 26 10:05:20 <== LOL still asleep
18:08 Zeg9 mark, he gets to bed at 03:00 am ...
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18:09 markveidemanis ha
18:10 markveidemanis VanessaE and Zeg9: how did you convince oldcoder to run your server(s)?
18:11 VanessaE he doesn't run a server for me as such, he runs a copy of my world as a backup, and he offered to do so.
18:11 markveidemanis ok
18:12 markveidemanis Zeg9?
18:13 markveidemanis minetest org 30018? thats new
18:13 Zeg9 Minetest.org 30018 ? let me see
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18:13 markveidemanis VanessaE and Zeg9 <=: how did you convince oldcoder to run your server(s)?
18:13 kaeza hello
18:13 markveidemanis :=>
18:13 markveidemanis hi
18:14 Exio hai kaeza
18:14 Zeg9 markveidemanis, maybe if you don't spam people will be nice with you
18:14 Zeg9 hi kaeza
18:14 kaeza what's up?
18:14 markveidemanis im not spamming!""
18:14 kaeza is there any forum moderator here?
18:15 * VanessaE is.
18:15 kaeza hey hey V
18:15 markveidemanis u r not opped
18:15 VanessaE I am now. :-)
18:15 markveidemanis fair enough
18:15 VanessaE hi kaeza  :-)
18:16 markveidemanis but how does chanserv know you CAN be opped
18:17 markveidemanis \clear
18:17 markveidemanis ?
18:17 markveidemanis minetest org 30018 3% media
18:17 marktraceur Calinou: Did you fix the copper rails in moreores to be in group:rails?
18:18 kaeza hi marktraceur
18:18 marktraceur Hi kaeza
18:19 markveidemanis VanessaE how many letters in your name, you have 10 seconds to answer
18:20 VanessaE 16.
18:20 VanessaE (counting my last name)
18:20 VanessaE if I counted it right :-)
18:20 markveidemanis tep
18:21 markveidemanis yep
18:21 markveidemanis #but more than 10 seconds
18:21 markveidemanis Vanessa Eekowitz
18:21 markveidemanis whoops
18:21 markveidemanis Vanessa Ezekowitz
18:21 VanessaE I wasn't paying attention :-)
18:21 markveidemanis :->
18:22 markveidemanis :->)
18:22 markveidemanis lol
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18:22 markveidemanis i am on minetest org 30014
18:24 markveidemanis \clear
18:24 markveidemanis \/clear
18:24 markveidemanis :)
18:25 markveidemanis Zeg(when will server be up)9
18:25 * marktraceur wonders why markveidemanis hasn't yet figured out the no-spamming-no-flooding idea
18:25 * markveidemanis
18:26 * markveidemanis <== EPIC        marktraceur <== NERD
18:26 marktraceur markveidemanis: Lesson of IRC number 1: Don't antagonize the ops.
18:26 markveidemanis :P
18:27 markveidemanis a-n-t-a-g-o-n-i-z-e?
18:27 markveidemanis when will the lesson be over?
18:27 markveidemanis im bored
18:27 markveidemanis :P
18:28 marktraceur markveidemanis: It is over. Just pipe down and wait for Zeg9 to finish his restart or whatever it was.
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18:28 markveidemanis it crashed...not restart
18:28 jordach hello everyone
18:28 Calinou markveidemanis: they are, no?
18:28 Calinou is the group "rails" or "rail", btw?
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18:29 Calinou marktraceur*
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18:29 jordach oops, closed tab!
18:29 marktraceur Calinou: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2451
18:29 moltenbot marktraceur's link: [Mod] Carts [carts] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
18:29 marktraceur jordach: Time for a proper IRC client? :)
18:29 Calinou xchat is :>
18:30 jordach marktraceur: not at home atm
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18:34 jordach VanessaE: homedecor is missing a mini cd player, desktop computer speakers, a desk, etc..
18:35 VanessaE jordach: yeah, there's still stuff that needs to be added.  Sooner or later.
18:35 Calinou homedecor lacks tablets, let's add iOS and android in minetest!!1!1!1
18:35 jordach also, wall mounted lcd tv's would be nice
18:35 Calinou (oh and don't forget windows 8)
18:36 jordach <Calinou> (oh and don't forget windows 8) you mean win8 or a 8) ?
18:36 jordach VanessaE: a vcr, dvd player, perhaps bluray???
18:37 jordach and a satellite dish reciever box
18:37 VanessaE .....
18:37 * jordach also would like a desk tidy that stores 1-4 items
18:39 marktraceur jordach: Perhaps you could put this stuff in a forum post or something, and VanessaE can read it later? (perhaps when you link it to her?)
18:39 jordach ooh! desk chairs that spin with the wheels!
18:40 VanessaE actually yeah, jordach post that stuff in the Home Decor thread.
18:40 VanessaE I already plan to add a digital projector since I have one, but the other stuff I hadn't thought of.
18:41 jordach also, picture of my house on the LAN game with my girlfriend: http://imgur.com/7P7YX,2KqpR,B3yAs
18:42 marktraceur Daw, they're playing house.
18:42 * jordach kicks marktraceur
18:42 jordach its called suvival with mobf here
18:43 marktraceur Ah. Even so.
18:45 celeron55 are mobs frightened of flowers
18:45 jordach the only problem i face is having to /clearobjects often
18:45 celeron55 or are they camouflaged missile launchers
18:45 jordach yes
18:46 jordach punching the tv fires the nukes
18:48 Calinou jordach: windows 8 of course
18:48 Calinou no tablet has windows 7 :p
18:48 Calinou of course it's the ARM "RT" version, with non-disableable secure boot
18:48 Calinou make that into minetest too
18:48 jordach Calinou: bullshit, my brother thinks hes 2005 and uses xp tablet edition
18:48 jordach d:
18:48 Calinou if the user tries to install another OS on it, the tablet folds then eats the user's hand
18:48 jordach D:
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18:58 kaeza heh seems like someone gave jordach's skin a name without permission ^_^
18:59 markveidemanis link
19:00 jordach VanessaE: heres your long as shit post http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59327#p59327
19:00 moltenbot jordach's link: [Mod] Home Decor [20121005] [homedecor] (Page 4) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
19:01 kaeza jordach: that desk would be good for my computers/consoles mod  ^_^
19:02 markveidemanis yay - Co Operate
19:04 kaeza jordach, markveidemanis: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3830
19:04 moltenbot kaeza's link: [MOD] Computers (Decorative) [0.1.4] [computer] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
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19:04 jordach kaeza: i know of that and have used it on VanessaE's serv.
19:04 VanessaE jordach: dayum!
19:04 markveidemanis i think its too  many
19:04 iqualfragile g day guys
19:04 jordach im not at home....this allows me to look for things that should be part of it
19:04 kaeza oh right, V is using them on her server
19:04 kaeza g day iqualfragile
19:05 markveidemanis i expected a block for a computer and a block for the monitor
19:07 jordach VanessaE: feel free to pick and choose
19:07 VanessaE I'll see what I can do
19:08 VanessaE but this will be for later, not right now
19:11 jordach and yes im part of the hyper class of builder
19:11 jordach (eg. almost realistic.)
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19:13 markveidemanis minetest org 30015 <== why DOWN
19:13 jordach !up minetest.org 30015
19:13 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN
19:13 marktraceur markveidemanis: Because a gazelle attacked the server
19:13 markveidemanis ok
19:14 jordach Jordach roundhouse kicked so hard, he made a Amazon AWS server crash.
19:14 iqualfragile !up minetest.org 30000
19:14 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30000 UP
19:14 markveidemanis 30015
19:15 jordach also, VanessaE baths are needed
19:17 VanessaE edit your post to add them
19:17 jordach done
19:17 VanessaE I se you already did :-)
19:17 VanessaE see*
19:17 jordach "there must be more shit i can think of."
19:17 jordach VanessaE: lava lamps are a must
19:18 * jordach loves lava lamps.
19:18 * jordach also wondered when jordach became a ideas machine
19:19 markveidemanis what company made World  Of  Goo?
19:19 jordach !g which company made world of goo
19:19 Minetest-tan jordach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Goo
19:20 jordach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2D_Boy - markveidemanis
19:20 moltenbot jordach's link: 2D Boy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:20 markveidemanis ok thanks
19:20 jeffrash still can't connect to minetest.org 30015.  What's the status?
19:20 markveidemanis i was wondering what other apps like it there are for Android
19:20 markveidemanis "!up minetest.org:30015"
19:21 markveidemanis type it
19:21 jeffrash !up minetest.org:30015
19:21 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN
19:21 jordach VanessaE: post updated again
19:22 jeffrash I see that, but is there an ETA?
19:22 jordach jeffrash: dunno, best asking OldCoder about this, he operates the server nexus
19:22 jeffrash OldCoder, what's the status on minetest.org 30015?
19:23 jordach VanessaE: thought of more shit.
19:23 jordach (do make a checklist.)
19:24 VanessaE just keep adding to the post, I'll use it for reference later.
19:25 jordach VanessaE: you could edit the post and add a tick by each completed thing right?
19:25 VanessaE sure I could do that I suppose
19:26 jordach editing again.
19:27 jordach updated
19:29 markveidemanis VanessaE, add some of the stuff Jordach posted, they're good ideas
19:29 john_minetest Is there a 0.4.3 Server out there?
19:30 markveidemanis nope
19:30 jordach nope.
19:30 markveidemanis maybe]
19:30 jordach everyone follows the stable.
19:30 markveidemanis lol
19:30 john_minetest Ubuntu seems to have 0.4.3 in the repos.
19:30 Calinou Version: 0.3.1+dfsg-4
19:30 Calinou apt-cache show minetest
19:30 Calinou nope.Avi
19:30 Calinou (oops, .avi... poor azerty layout)
19:31 jordach john_minetest: most debian repos wont accept minetest since the addition of a .x file, eg, == propetrairy
19:31 john_minetest hmmmmm...
19:32 john_minetest got a noob in skype who wants to play minetest but he has no clue. well, i will try.
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19:34 jeffrash sokomine, I'm playing around with mintest server.  How do I make it so people can't grant themselves access?
19:34 jeffrash sokomine,
19:35 jordach jeffrash: default settings only gives them to be able to build and shout
19:35 jordach first player to join becomes the admin
19:35 jordach (eg, you.)
19:35 jeffrash oh, I see.
19:36 jeffrash sokomine, no one else can grant /all to themselves like I just did
19:36 jeffrash testing
19:37 jeffrash it worked
19:37 jeffrash thanks
19:39 jordach see, this is what happen when you test every. single. release. and. commit. of. minetest.
19:39 PilzAdam http://api.minetest.net/Groups
19:39 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Groups - Minetest API
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19:39 jordach lets mine the test until the test mines us.
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19:40 VanessaE jordach: that's a metric assload of stuff in your list.  I'll see what I can add later.  Some of that stuff is probably a no-go like coat hangars or soap bottles
19:41 VanessaE anyway, I'm out.  gotta run to the store
19:41 markveidemanis i just got flash player to work on my android, any recommendations for .swf file links?
19:44 markveidemanis http://incredibots.com/if/game.php
19:44 kaeza markveidemanis: filetohd.com
19:46 jordach VanessaE: im probably going to stop there
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19:48 markveidemanis [19:44] <kaeza> markveidemanis: filetohd.com <== any swf files?
19:48 jeffrash how do I start a none creative world?
19:48 jeffrash with or without the checkbox its always a creative world
19:48 markveidemanis im minetest conf set creative to false or 0
19:49 jeffrash ok
19:49 markveidemanis creative_mode = 1 <==replace with ==> creative_mode = 0
19:52 jeffrash working
19:52 jeffrash thanks
19:52 jeffrash is /spawn a default command?
19:52 jeffrash It doesn't seem to work for me
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19:53 markveidemanis nope, need sethome mod
19:53 kaeza markveidemanis: you enter the URL of the game, select "Objects" radio button, click on "I accept the terms of service blah blah blah", and click on "Submit"/"Search"/whatever
19:54 iqualfragile PilzAdam: craftguide has problems with groups and that confuses new players
19:54 kaeza and it gives you back the SWF links
19:55 PilzAdam iqualfragile, what problems?
19:55 jeffrash ok
19:55 iqualfragile see for yor self,  its on my server
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19:59 Jakssoul Hey-lo.
19:59 Jakssoul Why does somebody always Ping timeout when I get on here? o.O
20:00 Jakssoul Seems that way, at least.
20:00 kaeza cause nobody likes you :P
20:01 kaeza lol J/K
20:01 markveidemanis .clear
20:01 PilzAdam Jakssoul> Hey-lo. <-- TBBT?
20:01 markveidemanis /clear..soc
20:01 OldCoder Hi
20:01 markveidemanis z
20:01 OldCoder Checking 30015
20:01 Jakssoul TBBT? Huh?
20:02 PilzAdam The BIg Bang Theory
20:02 Jakssoul Oh, and hello, PilzAdam! I was just asking yesterday if you ever frequented this IRC channel.
20:02 Jakssoul I am new, but hadn't really ever seen you on here. I've been saying Hey-lo long before I'd even heard of TBBT.
20:03 Jakssoul kaeza, wanna hear something wonderful?
20:04 kaeza sure
20:04 iqualfragile fusrohda! minetest crashes when im opening the console using F10
20:04 Jakssoul In order to get back at my Fiance for her dislike of Minetest, I made a "mod" (Just a block) with her face on it.
20:04 Jakssoul She's furious.
20:04 Jakssoul :D
20:04 kaeza iqualfragile: Fus-Ro-Dah*
20:04 Jakssoul FUS. RO! DAHHHH!
20:04 kaeza Jakssoul: O_o
20:04 Jakssoul Sorry. Had to.
20:04 sapier1 is someone here who knows how to create meshes in blender that do work in minetest?
20:05 Jakssoul I mean, isn't that just the perfect idea? xD
20:05 iqualfragile sapier1: how do i manualy configure mobf then?
20:05 kaeza heh, hope you chose a nice pic of her, or she'll surely kill you instead
20:06 Jakssoul It's one I took during a Skype call while she was stretching.
20:06 Jakssoul Yeah, I'm dead. :D
20:06 iqualfragile -.-
20:08 * jordach prefers OH! DA! VING!
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20:08 OldCoder
20:08 OldCoder NEWS: There is corruption in Zegaton or a bad mod. Reviewing.
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20:09 OldCoder I am getting that again
20:09 OldCoder 16:20:55: ERROR[main]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): id=187 m_stat
20:09 OldCoder WARNING: StaticObjectList::remove(): id=187 not found
20:09 OldCoder Plus many of these
20:09 OldCoder Working on it
20:09 Jakssoul Haha! Did you guys see Casimir's response to why Minetest isn't more popular?
20:09 Jakssoul "1. The same reason people are using Apple. I don't know that reason, but it has to be the same."
20:10 OldCoder the same?
20:10 Jakssoul The same reason.
20:10 Jakssoul That people use Apple. (The unknown craziness in modern America that causes people to purchase overpriced Apple products.)
20:11 OldCoder Ah
20:11 jordach lol.
20:11 jordach we should be making mac builds
20:11 OldCoder NEWS Zegaton 30015 is back up. Please test.
20:11 Jakssoul Ick!
20:11 marktraceur Jakssoul: Link?
20:12 Jakssoul People should just get rid of Macs.
20:12 Jakssoul Link to?
20:12 Jakssoul http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4210&amp;p=2
20:12 moltenbot Jakssoul's link: Why isn't Minetest more popular? (Page 2) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
20:12 Jakssoul I started that thread as a simple question, but apparently I've now spawned an entire marketing plan. xD
20:13 jordach we've been doing that for a whi
20:13 jordach le actually*
20:13 jordach lolMac OSX
20:13 Jakssoul Doing what?
20:14 Jakssoul Making Mac builds or marketing?
20:14 OldCoder I am probably here for the next 12 hours except errands. MT work will proceed today. I am going out now briefly to buy fake orange juice.
20:14 Jakssoul Fake orange juice for the WINN!
20:15 marktraceur Sunny D!?
20:15 Jakssoul I hope not.
20:15 marktraceur *gasp* BLASPHEMER
20:15 Jakssoul Hahaha.
20:15 jordach marktraceur: OldCoder cant process most food.
20:16 Jakssoul So, I looked up and downloaded the entire luatut.com Tutorial on Lua, in hopes of learning more about LUA. Yeah, apparently I have NO idea as to what I'm doing, because I can't get some of the simplest things to work in my Terminal after starting Lua in it.
20:16 marktraceur Oh hm
20:16 * marktraceur buys OldCoder an extra CPU....more processing power
20:16 Jakssoul I am using their recommended SciTE IDE for it, and.. yeah. I'm obviously stupid.
20:17 * Jakssoul busts out laughing at marktraceur's comment.
20:17 marktraceur Jakssoul: I think we could probably write a much sexier tutorial for Minetest modding in Lua, it might work out more in your favour
20:17 Jakssoul Probably, because the current tutorial doesn't explain much.
20:17 Jakssoul It gives the very basics, but making new blocks isn't what I have in mind.
20:18 john_minetest OldColder: Zegaton seems to work all properly.
20:18 Jakssoul I want to be able to do some real modding for this game, to really propel it forward.
20:18 marktraceur Jakssoul: I'll see if I can't wrestle some time into my schedule for writing such a tutorial
20:18 Jakssoul I'd really appreciate it.
20:18 * marktraceur wonders if a video or audio track would be useful for that
20:18 * Jakssoul shakes his head at video...
20:19 Jakssoul I mean, it's your tutorial though. xD
20:19 tango_ wow minetest sure progressed a lot since the last time I looked at it
20:19 marktraceur Well, I can imagine that there are some people who are visual learners, who need to see something happening
20:19 Jakssoul That's true.
20:19 jeffrash how do I install mods?  Just copy them into .minetest/mods/minetest?
20:19 Jakssoul Yes sir, jeffrash.
20:19 jordach tango_: welcome back
20:19 Jakssoul For most of them, that's about it.
20:20 tango_ jordach: "welcome back" is a bit of stretch, but it's good to see there's so much progress
20:20 tango_ I still won't have enough time to contribute, I'm afraid
20:20 jordach damn
20:20 jordach tango_: most people here dont remember 0.2.x like i do
20:21 tango_ I haven't looked at 0.4 yet
20:21 Jakssoul I remember.. 0.4.4. :D Hahahah.
20:21 * tango_ does a git remote-update
20:21 jeffrash I just tried to install Zeg9's skins but get an error when the server starts
20:21 tango_ wow can't find cisoun's repo anymore
20:22 Jakssoul marktraceur, if you end up making a text-based tutorial, try to make it easy to make for offline browsing. Most of my time spent on my netbook is offline.
20:22 marktraceur Jakssoul: It'll be set up as a nice HTML page, probably, with source and build instructions readily available
20:22 jordach tango_: we are not 0.3.x anymore, i dont know why it dissapeared
20:22 tango_ wait, jungle trees _still_ don't produce wood?
20:23 Jakssoul I'm a cool kid and have WebHTTrack! So, that'll work great. :D
20:23 jordach yep
20:24 tango_ why ...
20:29 jordach because most people are lazy and use jungle wood as a building material
20:29 cisoun tango_: my repo ?
20:29 markveidemanis pu si gro.tsetenim
20:29 cisoun you mean c55's repo ?
20:29 markveidemanis read backwards
20:30 tango_ cisoun: you used to have a repo
20:30 cisoun an old repo forked from minetest-delta yes
20:30 tango_ on github, a minetest-delta
20:30 tango_ yeah
20:30 tango_ whatever
20:30 tango_ doesn't matter
20:31 cisoun https://github.com/cisoun/minetest
20:31 moltenbot cisoun's link: cisoun/minetest ? GitHub
20:31 tango_ now I'm trying to cmake the latest git but it complains about missing bzip2 dev files and I can't frigging find the stupid package for them
20:31 cisoun why the hell are you looking after my repo ? o.o
20:31 cisoun it's a very old one
20:31 tango_ cisoun: I ran a git remote update
20:31 tango_ been a LONG time since the last time I did it
20:32 cisoun I am astonshed I still haven't removed it...
20:32 jeffrash !up minetest.org:30015
20:32 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN
20:32 kaeza jeffrash: !up minetest.org 30015
20:33 tango_ cisoun: you have removed it, I can't find it
20:33 cisoun It's still here though : https://github.com/cisoun/minetest
20:33 kaeza !up minetest.org 30015
20:33 moltenbot cisoun's link: cisoun/minetest ? GitHub
20:33 tango_ or, git can't find it 8-)
20:33 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 UP
20:33 tango_ cisoun: I was following the minetest-delta repo
20:33 jordach tango_: i suggest you pull latest git at least once a month
20:33 tango_ jordach: when I used to follow the development closesy, I did it almost daily
20:33 jordach from celeron55.master#
20:34 tango_ the real question is: where are the bzip2 dev files hidden in debian?
20:34 cisoun tango_: https://github.com/erlehmann/minetest-delta
20:34 moltenbot cisoun's link: erlehmann/minetest-delta ? GitHub
20:34 cisoun why do you need minetest-delta ?
20:34 cisoun nostalgia ?
20:34 tango_ cisoun: I don't
20:34 cisoun :D
20:34 cisoun oh
20:34 tango_ I just said that git couldn't find yours on a remote update
20:34 cisoun oh well I maybe deleted the -delta repo.
20:35 cisoun I don't remember.
20:35 jordach cisoun!
20:35 cisoun sup
20:35 jordach its good to see the old guys are talking again
20:35 markveidemanis Atchhoooo
20:35 cisoun lawl
20:35 markveidemanis sorry
20:35 * jordach always preferred minetest in -dev
20:35 * markveidemanis <== he agrees
20:36 * Jakssoul Is confused about what is going on.
20:36 * cisoun eat some biscuits.
20:36 jordach because i remember the days when the forums had a noob free zone
20:36 RealBadAngel if anybody wann play with new treegen and try to design some tree models:
20:36 jordach cisoun: eats*
20:36 RealBadAngel source: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
20:36 cisoun yup thanks !
20:36 moltenbot RealBadAngel's link: RealBadAngel/minetest ? GitHub
20:37 RealBadAngel simple tools for it: http://realbadangel.pl/treegen_tools.zip
20:37 cisoun I feel a little bit ill this evening. So excuse my english.
20:37 tango_ ah, there we go
20:37 RealBadAngel and a screenshot: http://realbadangel.pl/RealAppleTree.png
20:37 tango_ ok, compiling with gcc first
20:38 cisoun RealBadAngel: that's pretty funky !
20:38 jordach cisoun: alcohol!
20:38 cisoun WHERE ?!
20:38 jordach beer + minetest + c++ = good times
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20:39 jordach though this will be the result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2b8ENc_Ak
20:39 moltenbot jordach's link: Cyanide & Happiness - Beer Run - YouTube
20:40 cisoun Well, I'm hesitating between a belgian, swiss or dutch beer right now.
20:40 NakedFury go american
20:40 NakedFury or puertorican, Medalla
20:41 jordach cisoun: i prefer 50% alcohol whiskey
20:41 cisoun Since when whiskey is at 50% ?
20:42 cisoun I could take an absinthe too. I live near the place where the real absinthe is made.
20:42 cisoun Gaddamn I don't know.
20:42 * cisoun keeps eating his biscuits.
20:43 marktraceur thexyz: What's the URI for that wiki you set up?
20:43 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fix 'longjmp causes uninitialized stack frame' in cURL 896e1a30b0 2012-12-26T12:41:00-08:00
20:43 thexyz marktraceur: http://api.minetest.net/
20:43 moltenbot thexyz's link: Minetest API
20:43 NakedFury drink some Bacardi while sitting under a palm tree watching women on bathing suits
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20:44 marktraceur +++
20:45 marktraceur thexyz: Wait, is this for mods only? Or core as well?
20:45 thexyz for mods
20:45 marktraceur Hrmmm.
20:45 thexyz there's already wiki for core http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php
20:45 moltenbot thexyz's link:
20:45 marktraceur thexyz: Would it be terrible to make it more general?
20:46 marktraceur thexyz: Doku is nice and all, but having the wiki available for both modding and general development would be great.
20:46 PilzAdam thexyz, do I miss something: http://api.minetest.net/Groups ?
20:46 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Groups - Minetest API
20:47 thexyz this one is designed only for lua api (there're hacks for highlighter, for example)
20:47 marktraceur thexyz: IIRC the syntaxhighlighter does C++ as well
20:47 tango_ oh god make -j has locked up my computer
20:47 tango_ should have thought about it
20:47 thexyz marktraceur: it does
20:48 marktraceur thexyz: So what would the problem be?
20:48 thexyz but i also made it to make API methods into links
20:48 marktraceur Oh, cool
20:48 thexyz and I don't think it'll suit this wiki, it's named API.minetest.net, btw, what problems do you have with doku?
20:48 marktraceur thexyz: It's not as intuitive or user-friendly as MediaWiki
20:49 thexyz it's pretty intuitive if you're developer, and only developers will use it
20:49 OldCoder Back
20:49 marktraceur thexyz: That's very small thinking, and I suspect you know that
20:50 marktraceur thexyz: We're trying to lower the barrier for entry here, and doku is a step in the wrong direction
20:50 marktraceur thexyz: If you think of people as "developers" and "not developers" then you're losing a huge potential for expansion of your volunteer base
20:50 OldCoder jordach, I love food and it goes well sometimes. More food this week I seek. But it is a matter for PM. Here we shall discuss mods and not bods.
20:50 OldCoder Speaking of which...
20:50 jordach heh
20:51 OldCoder Anybody have mod updates or requests?
20:51 * jordach wonders where VanessaE got to
20:51 OldCoder Could be resting
20:51 OldCoder Has not slept enough.
20:51 PilzAdam <VanessaE> anyway, I'm out.  gotta run to the store
20:51 PilzAdam ^ jordach
20:52 jordach i know
20:52 jordach sometimes she never says if shes back or not
20:53 thexyz marktraceur: i don't like the idea of making another developer wiki when one already exists
20:54 marktraceur thexyz: The other one is stagnant. It drives people away. Splitting up modders and developers only worsens that.
20:56 marktraceur celeron55: Can I ask you to weigh in on this? If you want to hold on to the dokuwiki instance and keep people segregated, fine. But I don't want us to continue on the path of driving away contributors, and I think this is a good way to mitigate those effects.
20:56 marktraceur s/mitigate/start mitigating/
20:56 kaeza marktraceur: +1
20:58 marktraceur For more accurate context, I'd like http://api.minetest.net to host documentation for both modding and core development, and I'd like that to happen sooner rather than later. This should ideally happen soon, because (as I've mentioned) there will be a documentation sprint in mid-January and I want this to be ready for it.
20:58 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Minetest API
20:59 thexyz marktraceur: ok, let's wait for celeron55's response
21:01 Jakssoul marktraceur: +1
21:02 Jakssoul kaeza, que haces hoy?
21:02 NakedFury could the examples used be taken from mods? so people see them in action.
21:02 kaeza coding :)
21:02 marktraceur NakedFury: What examples?
21:03 Jakssoul Quick question: How often is the idea of Mintest's name being changed brought up? I've seen people mention it in the forums pretty frequently.
21:03 NakedFury The groups of a node or tool are defined in the definiton table:
21:03 NakedFury minetest.register_node("mod:testnode", {
21:03 NakedFury -- [...]
21:03 NakedFury groups = {crumbly=1, meat=2,},
21:03 NakedFury })
21:03 NakedFury The rating can be any integer, but 0 is equal to nil.
21:03 Jakssoul Tienes feliz, kaeza.
21:03 kaeza O_o
21:04 jordach NakedFury: PASTEBIN. jeez.
21:04 Jakssoul ? Did I say that wrong?
21:04 marktraceur Oh I see.
21:04 thexyz NakedFury: if they're licensed under appropriate license
21:04 kaeza please sitck to english for now ^_^
21:04 kaeza stick*
21:04 marktraceur NakedFury: Can't you edit the wiki?
21:04 Jakssoul Hahaha, I said have happiness? Oh am I wrong?
21:04 kaeza lol I figured
21:04 Jakssoul Since I don't know the word for fun.. xD
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21:05 kaeza 'Estás felíz?' would be a better one
21:05 Jakssoul Oh, alrighty
21:05 NakedFury never tried but would it be a good idea or just leave them with the generic modname foofoo stuff?
21:05 kaeza Fun = "Diversión"
21:05 Jakssoul Oh that's right!
21:05 kaeza 'Te diviertes kaeza?'
21:06 Jakssoul I meant it in more of a command, not a question.
21:06 kaeza o hai leo_rockway
21:06 OldCoder kaeza, Did you indicate there may be a fix? Did you wish a test?
21:06 Jakssoul It's a common English saying, "Have fun!" (Now used generally with sarcasm).
21:07 kaeza OldCoder: I'm fixing it, not yet. I have patched LuaIRC to allow more reliable checking
21:07 kaeza Jakssoul: then "Diviértete!" or "Que te diviertas!"
21:08 Jakssoul Alrighty, thanks.
21:08 OldCoder kaeza, k
21:09 jeffrash which mod give you the menus to my places, bags, skins, etc?
21:09 kaeza jeffrash: Unified Inventory
21:12 kaeza Jakssoul: Spanish is a weird language, so no doubt strangers have some difficulty learning it
21:12 leo_rockway hello kaeza
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21:13 leo_rockway and hello everyone
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21:16 OldCoder kaeza, Spanish is a Romance Language or derivative. Stays with you if you learn it young.
21:16 Jakssoul Everyone needs to stop speaking anything but Latin.
21:17 OldCoder Sic Transit Gloria Mundi
21:17 Jakssoul Exactly.
21:17 kaeza I have a better idea, we should be able to telepathically impress what we mean in other people's minds! No more need for different languages!
21:18 kaeza :P
21:18 Jakssoul That would be nice too.
21:18 Jakssoul No doubt. xD
21:18 Jakssoul Sic Finit loqui de latina
21:19 kaeza Jakssoul: cheater
21:19 kaeza no Google Translate plz :)
21:19 Jakssoul Google Translate. :D
21:19 Jakssoul Hahha!
21:19 Jakssoul See, you read my mind.
21:19 Jakssoul We already have that ability!
21:20 * kaeza has evolved beyond human imagination
21:21 * Jakssoul welcomes you to where he has been since creation.
21:21 Jakssoul If you don't worship me, Brimstone and Limestone await you. ;)
21:21 kaeza /me waited impatiently for Jakssoul's answer
21:21 kaeza gawd you are slow :P
21:21 Jakssoul Hahaha!
21:29 * jordach yawns
21:31 * Jakssoul yawns.
21:31 Jakssoul Louder.
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21:31 markveidemanis hi
21:32 john_minetest hi
21:32 Jakssoul Hi.
21:33 jordach O.O
21:33 kaeza hi
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21:34 kaeza o hai Kacey
21:34 Kacey hello
21:34 Jakssoul Hey-lo.,
21:35 Jakssoul Did you ever get Windows installed?
21:35 * Jakssoul almost vomits.
21:36 * kaeza has already vomited
21:36 Jakssoul Because of Windows?
21:36 Kacey no i installed xubuntu
21:36 Jakssoul HIGH FIVE!
21:36 kaeza \o/
21:37 * Jakssoul puts hand up to high five!
21:37 Kacey no no high five
21:37 Jakssoul Why not?
21:37 Jakssoul Oh. Well! Okay then./
21:37 kaeza ?
21:37 kaeza gone...
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21:37 Jakssoul Somebody doesn't like Xubuntu. :(
21:37 * jordach was hosting a LAN game when suddenly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1468189/
21:38 Kacey i like it
21:38 Jakssoul Oh, good!
21:38 Jakssoul Well that's no fun, jordach.
21:38 jordach access_violation
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21:38 kaeza jordach: access violations again?
21:38 jordach it wrote around 2000000 lines
21:38 jordach kaeza: first timer here
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21:39 Jakssoul Oh! john_minetest is jmf on the forums?
21:39 kaeza jordach: that seems to happen often on Win
21:39 Jakssoul That's nice to know.
21:39 Jakssoul Hello, LunaVorax.
21:40 john_minetest Jakssoul: yes
21:40 kaeza jordach: on linux this is usually unnoticed bc the client just dumps core
21:40 john_minetest Jakssoul: My signature in forum says that I am john_minetest here.
21:40 Jakssoul That's where I saw it just now.
21:41 jordach and heres the core: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1468195/
21:41 moltenbot jordach's link: Ubuntu Pastebin
21:41 LunaVorax Hello Jakssoul
21:42 jordach kaeza: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1468195/
21:42 moltenbot jordach's link: Ubuntu Pastebin
21:42 jordach core dump
21:43 kaeza hi LunaVorax
21:43 kaeza jordach yes
21:43 kaeza I mean on windows it seems to continue spitting Access Violations like hell
21:43 kaeza instead of just crashing
21:44 LunaVorax Hello EVERYONE
21:44 Jakssoul Hello LUNAVORAX. Haha.
21:44 Jakssoul How's it going?
21:45 kaeza LunaVorax: you seem new here
21:45 LunaVorax It's fine, I just read the latest news about gnu sed/grep leaving the FSF
21:45 kaeza lolwut
21:45 kaeza sed leaving the FSF?
21:45 LunaVorax It's not _that_ a shocking news, but the flame war around it is concerning
21:45 marktraceur kaeza: I thought the maintainer was just retiring
21:46 LunaVorax Or maybe it's that marktraceur
21:46 marktraceur http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.gnu.general/7873
21:46 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Gmane -- GNU sed 4.2.2 released, and a rant from the maintainer
21:46 marktraceur Last one I heard
21:46 LunaVorax I don't understand clearly what's going on but it's going bad
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21:46 kaeza yeah, sed is a core utility in a GNU system
21:46 Kaceygame *** Kacey joined the game
21:47 kaeza oh gawd what have I done???
21:47 marktraceur Kaceygame: This seems like....not the best place to test the IRC mod
21:47 Kacey im not testing
21:47 kaeza Kacey I told you so
21:47 Kacey im listening in
21:47 LunaVorax But it's depressing me a bit, it's like if I was reading everywhere "Who gives a shit about freedom anyway?"
21:47 kaeza but well, if you don't flood
21:48 marktraceur LunaVorax: I don't think that's the problem. I think Paolo just realized that there were some things on the technical side that weren't getting the right amount of attention.
21:48 Kaceygame <Kacey> i need help for a mesecon invention
21:48 leo_rockway gnutls is leaving gnu, not sed nor grep.
21:48 kaeza lol
21:48 LunaVorax Hope you're right marktraceur
21:49 leo_rockway but rms was like "no, gnutls will remain gnu. You fork if you want"
21:49 marktraceur leo_rockway: {{cn}} ?
21:49 marktraceur (citation needed)
21:49 leo_rockway marktraceur: the maintainer expressed his intention on the mailing list.
21:49 leo_rockway I don't have a link on me atm
21:50 marktraceur http://lwn.net/Articles/529558/
21:50 moltenbot marktraceur's link: gnutls is moving  [LWN.net]
21:50 leo_rockway yes, that
21:50 marktraceur Wow.
21:51 marktraceur That's quite a trend, then
21:51 leo_rockway I didn't read rms' reply first hand. But I read comments that said that he appreciates the work the maintainer has done, but GNUtls is a GNU app, so he can fork if he wants and continue his work with a different name.
21:51 Jakssoul Hey guys, what would you say is the smallest and fastest Linux distro compatible with Minetest. (Puppy isn't an option. :( )
21:51 leo_rockway the FSF has the copyrights, but gnutls is morally Nikos'
21:52 leo_rockway so... it's kind of complicated
21:52 kaeza one more reason to hate FSF imho
21:52 kaeza that is not freedom
21:52 leo_rockway I like the FSF
21:52 leo_rockway and I like the work rms did
21:52 leo_rockway but I think it's time for him to retire
21:53 leo_rockway [sorry for the OT, btw]
21:53 marktraceur kaeza: The guy is totally free to do what he likes, that's acceptable
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21:53 leo_rockway kaeza: yes, Nikos can continue working on gnutls, they asked him to fork it and name it something else.
21:53 kaeza yeah, I don't know how to say it more clearly
21:53 LunaVorax Jakssoul, ArchLinux
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21:53 marktraceur kaeza: Basically the better way to put it would be "gnutls's maintainer is moving his work somewhere, and GNU is maintaining their version of it elsewhere"
21:53 leo_rockway marktraceur: did you see what happened to rms in Brazil?
21:53 Jakssoul ArchLinux scares me.
21:54 Jakssoul It scares anyone who isn't a Linux genius.
21:54 marktraceur leo_rockway: He had something stolen IIRC
21:54 leo_rockway marktraceur: no, that was here in Argentina.
21:54 marktraceur Oh hm.
21:54 leo_rockway in Brazil he freaked out...
21:54 marktraceur What happen in Brazil?
21:54 leo_rockway he asked "should I give my speech in EN or PT?"
21:54 LunaVorax Jakssoul, it is scary at first, but using it will teach you a lot of things about GNU/Linux. The documentation is excellent.
21:54 leo_rockway people said "English would be better"
21:54 leo_rockway an hour into it they told him "on second thought... maybe Spanish"
21:54 leo_rockway sorry, not PT, but ES.
21:54 leo_rockway and he got MAD
21:55 leo_rockway he had reason to be upset, but he completely overreacted
21:55 marktraceur Hm.
21:55 leo_rockway marktraceur: there's a video around, but out of respect to him I'd rather not post it here.
21:55 Jakssoul LunaVorax, I've actually been told in the past that the documentation is AWFUL. How "excellent" is it really?
21:56 marktraceur leo_rockway: Strange stuff. I can see why that might elicit an extreme reaction.
21:56 LunaVorax He's weird leo_rockway, it's no surprise.
21:56 leo_rockway marktraceur: I can pm you the link if yo uwant.
21:56 marktraceur leo_rockway: Nah
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21:56 leo_rockway Jakssoul: Arch's documentation is one of the best.
21:56 leo_rockway along with Gentoo's and the BSDs
21:56 Jakssoul Then I was misinformed.
21:56 LunaVorax Jakssoul, well it guide you step by step for the installation for exemple
21:57 LunaVorax And a lot of common problems are documented
21:57 leo_rockway marktraceur: he was swearing out loud and he smashed the mic against the table. I think he's burned out and he needs to step down.
21:57 LunaVorax Jakssoul, ArchLinux users can be asses on IRC or forum. But if you precisely describe your problem and say what you've already tried, it'll be ok.
21:57 leo_rockway I know how he is, so I'm not freaked out, but new comers won't see it that way.
21:58 john_minetest Archlinux isn't scary. Ubuntu is scary. Like the evil clowns in the films. Colorful but deadly. And Gentoo is scary.
21:58 Jakssoul Alrighty, I'll look into it more.
21:58 leo_rockway Jakssoul: Arch has a LOT of DIY...
21:58 leo_rockway so you have to be willing to learn the ins and outs of your system
21:58 LunaVorax Jakssoul, for 100% FOSS Arch, chose Parabola, it's Arch with no closed-source component, and the people are really nice.
21:58 Jakssoul Alrighty.
21:58 john_minetest leo_rockway: a lot of DIY but it is so well-documented that it I could use it as a newbie.
21:58 mrdragons What's not free about arch?
21:58 LunaVorax Jakssoul, train yourself in a VM first
21:58 john_minetest the drivers
21:59 john_minetest mrdragons ^
21:59 LunaVorax mrdragons, what john_minetest said
21:59 leo_rockway john_minetest: mhm.
21:59 LunaVorax mrdragons, Flash, Skype, nVidia/ATI drivers…
21:59 leo_rockway mrdragons: lots of things. Linux, for starters.
21:59 mrdragons Ah, well I don't care much about that.
21:59 LunaVorax Usually, mrdragons, the very useful softwares aren't FOSS :( (except for Flash, it sucks)
22:00 leo_rockway there are very little pieces of software without a usable FOSS alternative.
22:00 LunaVorax I won't convert you mrdragons… for now ;)
22:01 mrdragons Convert me? I usually stay away from closed-source stuff, I haven't had flash installed for months
22:01 mrdragons But I like to have the option availible
22:01 LunaVorax A FOSS Skype alternative would probably be doable, but the FSF has no extra people or money to dive into such a project.
22:01 LunaVorax Ok, I perfectly understand that mrdragons
22:01 leo_rockway LunaVorax: XMPP works quite well, but it has no landphone integration.
22:01 marktraceur LunaVorax: I've had OK success with Ekiga
22:02 marktraceur I haven't done computer-to-computer with it, though.
22:02 leo_rockway I haven't had a lot of success with SIP
22:02 LunaVorax marktraceur, I never figured out how to use Ekiga tbh
22:02 leo_rockway I used it computer-to-computer
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22:02 * marktraceur has been without cell phone and using ekiga for roughly 1.5 months
22:02 leo_rockway but the best "feature" of Skype is poking holes in firewalls and always finding a way out
22:02 leo_rockway people like that security flaw...
22:03 LunaVorax leo_rockway, I never managed to make a working phone/video call via Pidgin using GTalk… and now I'll have to wait until Pidgin 3.0 because they removed the Video/Audio support because of some incompatibilities with Gstreamer 1.0
22:03 leo_rockway LunaVorax: I managed with telepathy.
22:03 leo_rockway but it had to be telepathy on both ends
22:03 leo_rockway and it worked really well for audio/video
22:03 LunaVorax Hum ok, that sucks
22:04 LunaVorax Ok
22:04 leo_rockway I tried telepathy and pidgin and they weren't talking to each other for some reason... this was about 6 months ago.
22:04 leo_rockway maybe a bit more
22:04 LunaVorax Ouch
22:05 leo_rockway nowadays I use Google's nonfree plugin :S
22:05 LunaVorax sudo pacman -S empathy >> an extra 190mo of software
22:05 leo_rockway I use Telepathy KDE
22:05 leo_rockway =]
22:05 LunaVorax I'm running XFCE
22:05 leo_rockway oh...
22:05 LunaVorax Yeah
22:05 leo_rockway then yes... 190mo sounds about right
22:05 LunaVorax I was a Gnome2 fanboy before Gnome3
22:06 leo_rockway I never liked Gnome
22:06 LunaVorax Then I switched to XFCE… and THEN I realised I should have started with XFCE from the beginning
22:06 leo_rockway I always liked KDE and E16/17. I stayed with KDE because E was talking too long to release...
22:06 LunaVorax XFCE = Gnome2 without bugs and slowdowns
22:06 leo_rockway I think XFCE is alright. I never liked Gnome, though.
22:06 LunaVorax Isn't E16/17 a pain to install and configure ?
22:07 leo_rockway not to install, just install it from the repos
22:07 LunaVorax Their website is absolutely not clear
22:07 leo_rockway to configure... and to get used to... yes
22:07 john_minetest I used lxde (didn't work, always crashed), then XFCE for a LONG time, then xmonads, then XFCE, then i3, dwm, iceWM, openbox, and now dwm again.
22:07 leo_rockway well, you can keep the default configs, but the beauty of E is that everything can be tweaked
22:07 LunaVorax I would love to dig into dwm
22:08 leo_rockway dwm is nice
22:08 LunaVorax LXDE is a waste of time, better getting used to openbox with your custom set of softwares
22:08 leo_rockway LunaVorax: ++
22:08 celeron55 wm wars? icewm!
22:08 kaeza LunaVorax: what do you think of IceWM?
22:08 leo_rockway I never tired icewm
22:08 LunaVorax Never tried it, is it that popular ?
22:08 kaeza oh ninja'd
22:09 leo_rockway tried*
22:09 leo_rockway I remember trying fvwm95, hehe.
22:09 LunaVorax IceWM looks E16/17-ish
22:09 celeron55 icewm a rock solid well designed minimal windows-esque WM from the 90's
22:09 kaeza LunaVorax: Puppy Linux has it as an optional WM
22:09 kaeza and it's pretty lightweight and fast
22:09 kaeza yet full featured WM
22:10 LunaVorax I stay away from Puppy, it's nice and funny but it's too much of a "basement-distro" for me :D
22:10 celeron55 i once benchmarked on a 100-200MHz laptop: icewm was way faster at switching workspaces than fluxbox
22:10 OldCoder celeron55, kaeza I use Openbox LXPanel ROX-Filer and a number of patches and components of my own design
22:11 kaeza OldCoder: good! I like ROX Filer
22:11 LunaVorax I also use XFCE not only because it's fast and simple, but because I'm lazy, it comes with it own set of softwares.
22:11 OldCoder I have produced wrappers and scripts that integrate my browser with the desktop
22:12 LunaVorax Dunno if I'll switch to Wayland
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22:18 marktraceur celeron55: Did you see the question we (myself and thexyz) had askde you above?
22:18 marktraceur asked*
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22:25 Minetest Visit this:
22:25 Minetest https://epicfreeprizes.com/?ref=1951505
22:26 mrdragons Seems legit.
22:26 VanessaE about as legit as a US $3 bill maybe.
22:27 marktraceur That's a 30 dollar bill right three
22:27 marktraceur there*
22:27 Jakssoul Hahahahaha!
22:27 marktraceur (anyone else watch Storage Wars to observe evolution failing to work?)
22:27 Jakssoul I GOT IT!
22:27 Jakssoul I laughed!
22:28 Jakssoul That's a $42.39 dollar bill right der! (Waiting for the day this happens)!
22:29 jordach VanessaE: the list isnt ticking itself!! XD
22:29 VanessaE too lazy right now :-)
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22:30 VanessaE hey xy.
22:30 jordach VanessaE: should i fork homedecor and add the dishwasher and washing machine?
22:30 VanessaE if you want :-)
22:30 * jordach does not do node boxes
22:30 Jakssoul VanessaE: Could you /join #threeway  ? (It's not perverted, just realized how that sounds after I said it. >_>)
22:30 VanessaE I didn't put it on github just as cloud storage :)
22:31 VanessaE Jakssoul: um..no
22:31 jordach VanessaE: what parts would you consider for the washing machine?
22:32 VanessaE what parts?  you mean for the recipe?
22:32 jordach mhm
22:32 jordach use pm
22:32 jordach [22:32] <@john_minetest> we just discuss about how to sell minetest on usb drives. VanessaE #threeway
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22:33 jordach i hate webchat
22:33 kaeza jordach: try a *real* irc client
22:33 q66 then use a proper irc client?
22:34 * jordach is not at home and is not willing to piss up another pc
22:34 marktraceur jordach: Why wouldn't this person want you to install a tiny piece of software?
22:34 jordach dunno#
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22:35 marktraceur Then do it!
22:35 marktraceur Worse yet, ask!
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22:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: merge my mese update. :-)
22:36 PilzAdam whats the benefit?
22:37 VanessaE fewer people bitching about the change? ;-)
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22:38 * marktraceur will bitch about the change either way :P
22:38 VanessaE PilzAdam: this update makes the old mese object available again, but stops it from spawning in newly-generated terrain, in favor of the crystals-in-stone one.  also adds cross-compatibility with crystals so the old stuff can still be used.
22:39 PilzAdam we had a poll to change it to crystals
22:39 PilzAdam why change it?
22:39 VanessaE because too many people bitched and whined that the old stuff was being phased out too quickly.
22:39 kaeza bc it makes more sense
22:39 PilzAdam but more people dont do this
22:39 kaeza (for a nonsensical block)
22:40 VanessaE yes I know
22:40 VanessaE but this covers all possible use cases
22:40 VanessaE (apropos:  http://xkcd.com/927/ )
22:40 PilzAdam I want old maps to be converted to the crystal thing
22:40 PilzAdam what about this?
22:40 VanessaE they will be.
22:41 VanessaE sorta
22:41 VanessaE if old mese was there, it stays there - but as new terrain is explored, only mese crystals will show up
22:41 VanessaE so sooner or later there will be no more of the old stuff.
22:41 VanessaE I was reminded:
22:41 leo_rockway dig it all, destroy it.
22:41 PilzAdam I want the whole map converted, not only the new part
22:41 VanessaE people make structures of the old mese.
22:41 VanessaE so it can't be converted.
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22:42 VanessaE such a conversion needs an abm or something so that peoples' inventories aren't disrupted.
22:42 VanessaE not suitable for inclusion in the default game imho
22:44 youlysses leo_rockway: What poor planing from the the Brazilan planner, mixed with individuals not understanding Autism?
22:45 leo_rockway youlysses: he was right to be mad. I still think that smashing the mic was an overreaction.
22:45 youlysses leo_rockway: Do you know any individuals on the spectrum?
22:45 leo_rockway youlysses: the rest of the people don't.
22:46 leo_rockway they don't have to know that he has autism.
22:46 leo_rockway they see a guy that was asked to switch languages and he reacted smashing a mic and swearing out loud.
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22:46 youlysses leo_rockway: Then you educate them.
22:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: such as davidpace. \
22:47 davidpace ?
22:47 VanessaE ;)
22:47 davidpace ...
22:47 VanessaE davidpace: nothing, just being funny
22:47 youlysses Really though, from perosnal experience... that wasn't that bad of a "tantrum".
22:47 davidpace Riiiight
22:47 youlysses *personal
22:47 VanessaE talking about the mese->crystals change and my proposed update to address everyone's latent concerns.
22:48 leo_rockway youlysses: o.o then I wouldn't like to see him in a bad tantrum :S
22:48 youlysses leo_rockway: I'm not saying him, I'm saying I know people on the autistic-spectrum, that have acted *much worse* for *much longer*.
22:49 leo_rockway oh, okay
22:49 leo_rockway I don't personally know any autistic person
22:49 leo_rockway not IRL, I think.
22:49 youlysses leo_rockway: And I don't think many do, so it probally is hard to relate. :-/
22:52 youlysses I'm not saying it's approriate though and I do think RMS is NT-leaning enough to be able to understand he acted unprofessionally; though this defintley a factor in his personal and professional-life.
22:56 leo_rockway youlysses: when he asked people to stop recording you can tell that he realizes that he had acted unprofessionally.
22:57 davidpace Who are you guys talking about?
22:58 youlysses leo_rockway: RMS, and his little "tantrum" and the factors that influnced it.
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22:58 leo_rockway davidpace: ^
22:58 davidpace Alright :-)
22:58 youlysses leo_rockway: Oops, sorry. :-P
22:58 leo_rockway he did ask right before the talk if they preferred EN or ES...
22:59 leo_rockway so he was right to be upset
23:02 youlysses leo_rockway: I still think the whole thing could have been prevented if the event-planner would have hired a translator. Oh well, can't change the past... :-P
23:02 leo_rockway indeed
23:02 leo_rockway I would've translated if they had paid me the trip... o.o
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23:03 youlysses leo_rockway: You speak brazilan?
23:03 youlysses **Portuguese.
23:03 iqualfragile short summary?
23:03 leo_rockway I speak some Portuguese. It's indeed really close to Spanish.
23:03 youlysses iqualfragile: Oh the "tantrum"?
23:04 iqualfragile i dont know, what happened?
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23:05 STHGOM hallooo
23:06 davidpace Would anyone play in a survival server? Not PvP, but surviving against mobs?
23:06 jordach meh
23:06 davidpace Meh?
23:07 leo_rockway iqualfragile: he went to give his talk on free software to Brazil. He asked them if they preferred Spanish (which he speaks well, although with a very strong accent) or English.
23:07 leo_rockway they said English.
23:07 youlysses iqualfragile: RMS was going to give in a speech in Brazil. Oh the two language that are most common to be-spoken which he knew was English and Spanish; they speak Porteguese. He game a choice at the begining of which to speak. They choose English. 15 minutes into his speech, someone interputed him and said that half of them don't understand. RMS being frustrated he couldn't convey his message effectively had a mild semi-classical
23:07 youlysses "tantrum".
23:08 leo_rockway halfway through the talk, they asked him to switch to Spanish, because the couldn't understand his English.
23:08 leo_rockway Spanish and Portuguese are _very_ similar.
23:08 STHGOM hola, ola...
23:08 iqualfragile xD
23:09 youlysses iqualfragile: We were discussing how RMS actually *is* on the Autistic spectrum, and this was defintley a factor. And how this unfournate situation could have been avoided if the event organizer would have hired a translator. :-P
23:09 youlysses leo_rockway: If they're "so close", any idea why they choose English intially.
23:09 leo_rockway iqualfragile: he was like "now I don't know WTF to do" and at some point smashed the mic against the table. The audience laughed o.o. He continued in English after some frustrated screaming.
23:09 youlysses *?
23:10 leo_rockway youlysses: maybe because rms has a very strong accent in Spanish.
23:10 youlysses leo_rockway: Well I'm pretty sure they thought RMS was joking intially, which is what I thought. :-/
23:10 youlysses leo_rockway: Ah, I see.
23:10 iqualfragile is there a video of that happening?
23:10 davidpace Would anybody play on a server like this?: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3003
23:10 moltenbot davidpace's link: [Game] Dwarves [dwarves] [0.9.6.1] (Page 1) - Minetest Games - Minetest Forums
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23:11 davidpace A survival server
23:11 davidpace Not PvP
23:11 leo_rockway iqualfragile: yes, it's in YT.
23:11 youlysses iqualfragile: Yeah, it's not pretty though. And I'm not linking it to you, you can find it yourself I guess...  it's against it's RMS wishes for distrubiton, and I'll respect not making that any-worse.
23:12 leo_rockway he did ask people to stop recording, so I don't really want to link to it.
23:12 iqualfragile ok
23:12 youlysses *RMS'
23:13 john_minetest RMS...
23:14 john_minetest I like Linus Torvalds and ESR more.
23:14 leo_rockway I didn't know anybody could like ESR
23:14 LunaVorax ESR?
23:15 leo_rockway Eric Raymond
23:15 john_minetest Eric S Raymond
23:15 leo_rockway he wrote the Cathedral and the Bazaar
23:15 youlysses john_minetest: You don't have to like him, but are you one of the individuals who have no-idea what he's actually done for the GNU/Linux system?
23:15 john_minetest he is cool. he is not as extremistic as RMS and he has skillz ;)
23:15 leo_rockway I don't agree with rms on a political level. And I don't particularly like him, not dislike him. But I think he gave us an amazing gift.
23:16 LunaVorax Ah, him
23:16 STHGOM bye
23:16 LunaVorax Isn't he a douche?
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23:16 leo_rockway john_minetest: esr is kind of racist. And I say kind of to be nice...
23:16 Jakssoul I know I am, so sorry.
23:16 Jakssoul A douche, that is.
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23:17 LunaVorax Jakssoul, ESR I meant :D
23:17 Jakssoul I know, just playing. ;)
23:17 youlysses john_minetest: Ok then. Most-people I seem to talk to don't seem to know that RMS did "anything" for GNU/Linux...
23:17 LunaVorax I know you know Jakssoul
23:18 Exio we know you know what he know LunaVorax
23:19 leo_rockway I think coming up with GNU GPL is the best thing rms ever did.
23:19 leo_rockway but, granted, I'm not an emacs user
23:19 LunaVorax emacs is both heaven and hell
23:20 youlysses leo_rockway: Well it depends from what you're looking at. From a legal-level, I'd agree. But Emacs *is* my DE of choice. ;-)
23:20 Zeg9 Who is RMS ? and why do we call it gnu/linux and not just linux ? </troll> Hi !
23:20 Exio hahaha
23:20 Exio hai Zeg9
23:20 Exio btw, hi too
23:21 john_minetest leo_rockway: racist???? it says in the hacker guidelines: "no matter which race, outer appeariance, sex, etc.", every hacker is equal.
23:21 leo_rockway john_minetest: then read his blog what he has to say about islam.
23:22 Zeg9 Every hacker, but not every man.
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23:22 Jakssoul Every man can claim hacker status.
23:22 Jakssoul *cough cough*
23:22 john_minetest the hacker counts, not the man behind this. his theories about hackerdom and stuff are really nice.
23:23 Jakssoul Hey, look! I can begin an HTML document! <html> AND end it! </html> I'm a hacker.
23:23 kaeza <div>Q: what's the best way to piss a web developer?</span>
23:24 OldCoder htmlacker
23:24 Exio lol kaeza
23:24 OldCoder kaeza, What?
23:24 OldCoder Ah!
23:24 Exio hahaha
23:24 leo_rockway xD
23:24 leo_rockway kaeza: sos grosso, sabelo.
23:24 OldCoder That will make them itch
23:24 kaeza C wut I did thur?
23:24 Zeg9 Every hacker is equal when he is behind his computer << better?
23:24 Jakssoul HEY! Who here is visually creative?
23:24 kaeza leo_rockway: thx
23:24 kaeza :D
23:25 kaeza u 2
23:25 youlysses Jakssoul: Describe "visually creative".
23:25 leo_rockway john_minetest:
23:25 leo_rockway "our long-term objective must be to break, crush and eventually destroy this culture, because we can't live on the same planet with people who both carry those memes and have access to weapons of mass destruction. They will hate us and seek to destroy us not for what we've done but for what we are"
23:25 Jakssoul It's pretty obvious what I mean.
23:25 leo_rockway this is a huge OT and we can continue it on a PM if you'd like
23:25 leo_rockway but in like 2 hours, because I'm at work o.o
23:26 Exio leo_rockway: btw, where do you live?
23:26 leo_rockway Exio: CABA
23:26 Jakssoul Anyway: Multiple people in the Minetest community have been spending the last few hours trying to come up with a way to raise awareness and funds for the Minetest project. If anyone would like to be a part of the discussion, /join #threeway
23:26 Jakssoul Right now, our best bet is T-shirts.
23:26 leo_rockway get a mob that's awesome, like the creepers. Sell merchandise.
23:26 Exio CABA? wat?
23:27 leo_rockway Exio: Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires.
23:27 Jakssoul Dungeon Masters. Maybe.
23:27 LunaVorax At least equality is kinda true on IRC
23:27 Exio lol
23:27 Exio just say Argentina! :P
23:27 leo_rockway Exio: but you knew that!
23:27 leo_rockway I had already mentioned it... hadn't I?
23:27 Jakssoul joardach said he may do a 3d rendering of his player skin or something.
23:27 leo_rockway maybe I hadn't o.o
23:28 Exio i didn't know you were argentinian :P
23:28 youlysses Jakssoul: No it's not. You could mean be able to come up with designs and not implement them well.
23:28 leo_rockway we can now start the Argentine Minetest Users Group
23:28 Exio hehe
23:29 Jakssoul youlysses, How about just some creative minds?
23:29 Jakssoul There
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23:29 Exio why Argentine? poor kaeza
23:29 Jakssoul Let's be very pedantic.
23:29 youlysses Jakssoul: Don't have to be "snippy". :-P
23:29 leo_rockway Rioplatense Minetest User Group
23:29 Jakssoul :D Sorry. :P
23:29 Exio lol
23:29 kaeza Exio: nope
23:29 kaeza Uruguayo
23:29 kaeza :D
23:29 leo_rockway kaeza: yes, that's why he mentioned I was leaving you out of the group.
23:30 kaeza y? :(
23:30 kaeza hey!
23:30 leo_rockway leo_rockway │ we can now start the Argentine Minetest Users Group
23:30 Exio [20:29:27] <leo_rockway> Rioplatense Minetest User Group
23:30 kaeza oh
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23:30 kaeza +1
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23:31 Exio now i have a pink minetest :D
23:31 jojoa1997_ does anyone know if there is going to be a minetest app for android
23:32 Zeg9 Root it and install linux instead :D
23:33 iqualfragile Zeg9: -.- android is linux
23:33 Exio android is linux, like mac os x is bsd
23:33 iqualfragile jojoa1997_: no, there is not but you could root your device and install a X stack
23:34 LunaVorax Yeah no Exio, Android is more GNU/Linux than OS X is BSD
23:34 Exio iqualfragile: the only way for having access to the GPU in some X11 in android is 'killing' the interface, and you can't do that
23:34 Zeg9 by linux I ment a real linux distro...
23:34 jojoa1997_ if i have enough space could i run minetest on my tablet like on a regular pc i have a wireless keyboard and mouse
23:35 Exio LunaVorax: remove the GNU part, the entire user space uses some weird libc and the tools are messed up
23:35 Zeg9 or some sort of X yeah
23:39 Exio btw, anyone here tried to install debian or some distro in android?
23:39 Exio in android phones* :P
23:40 iqualfragile dont kill me but i have heared that ubuntu works
23:40 youlysses TMK the default distrubiton of android, above the kernel ... there's little to know GNU. It's all ran in JVM. :-L
23:40 VanessaE iqualfragile: fitting given the DE model ubuntu pushes these days
23:40 VanessaE e.g. "smartphone" metaphor.
23:41 Exio iqualfragile: native or using chroot?
23:41 jojoa1997_ People need to get android tablets. Mine has 16 gb and is soooooooooooooooooo cool.
23:41 VanessaE jojoa1997_: got an extra $100 lying around? :-)
23:41 john_minetest bye.
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23:42 youlysses jojoa1997_: Android tablets are real "meh" compared running one with a full GNU-based distrobution, imo.
23:42 jojoa1997_ What is GNU
23:42 VanessaE GNU's Not Unix.
23:42 * VanessaE ducks and runs
23:42 iqualfragile @devs: something about opengl seems badly unoptimized, comparing the size of the landscape i can view at a given framerate in minetest versus minecraft
23:43 Exio i want the nokia n900 back
23:43 youlysses jojoa1997_: What most people mistakenly refer to as "Linux" when they're not refering to thu kernel. :-/
23:43 VanessaE oh here we go again
23:44 Exio wut
23:44 jojoa1997_ kernel?
23:44 youlysses *the
23:44 youlysses jojoa1997_: Trolling, or really just ignorant on the topic?
23:44 VanessaE jojoa1997_: the primary component of an operating system that handles all of the communication between devices such as video, keyboard, mouse, etc and gives your software a platform to run on
23:44 jojoa1997_ ignorant
23:44 iqualfragile youlysses: jojoa1997 _1997_
23:44 jojoa1997_ oh thanks
23:45 iqualfragile ~= 14
23:45 Exio iqualfragile: and?
23:45 Exio it doesn't mean anything, really
23:45 jojoa1997_ take a look at this https://www.khanacademy.org/science/cosmology-and-astronomy/v/big-bang-introduction
23:45 youlysses iqualfragile: OH... true. Hell though, (s)he has internet access. That's about when I switched over to gnu-based system. :-P
23:45 iqualfragile Exio: but putting ones age into ones username does :D
23:46 VanessaE jojoa1997_: when a piece of software wants to read the keyboard, it sends a command to the kernel asking it for keyboard access.  the kernel mediates that access, passing data back and forth between the program and the driver and/or hardware.
23:46 jojoa1997_ my mind is the big bang ;)
23:46 Exio hahaha
23:46 iqualfragile youlysses: hmm… yeah, it was about that time i decided against social chitchat and for computers
23:47 VanessaE (that's the simplified version of course)
23:47 jojoa1997_ so the kernal is like a train station input goes in and output goes out just to come back again with different stuff
23:47 iqualfragile jojoa1997_: yeah
23:47 VanessaE jojoa1997_: something like that
23:47 jojoa1997_ http://www.google.com/search?q=lightbulb&amp;hl=en&amp;client=tablet-android-asus-nexus&amp;tbo=d&amp;rlz=1Y3NDUG_enUS504US504&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=isch&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=nozbUIKoDpSx0AHD4IGIBg&amp;ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&amp;biw=961&amp;bih=553#biv=i|12;d|LEYw3Sc6i-KxQM:
23:48 jojoa1997_ sorry for such a long link
23:48 Exio http://www.google.com/search?q=tablet-android-asus-nexus works too
23:48 Exio :P
23:48 PilzAdam ixquick.com works too
23:48 VanessaE you know, it's pretty sad when google doesn't automatically shorten its links using its own goo.gl URL shortener :-)
23:48 youlysses jojoa1997_: It's an exteremely important component, but if you're wanting a full &/ working "unix-like" operating system... it's not even close to the minimum.
23:49 Exio lol PilzAdam
23:49 * PilzAdam is kinda bored
23:49 davidpace jojoa I don't get what your point is on my topic on the forums
23:49 Exio PilzAdam: accept my pull request!
23:49 iqualfragile https://duckduckgo.com is quite cool
23:49 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: DuckDuckGo
23:49 VanessaE PilzAdam: and mine!
23:49 jojoa1997_ link please
23:49 Exio hahaha
23:49 VanessaE there, that takes care of ~2 minutes of time :-)
23:50 leo_rockway http://tekk.com.ar/seeks o.o
23:50 iqualfragile PilzAdam: create a mod wich allows one to go into pvp mode to fight others wich are in pvp mode (carefull, you may not switch modes after beeing hit for ~1 minute)
23:50 PilzAdam Exio, this 3 commits shout for a rebase
23:51 jojoa1997_ davidspace: this one http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4215
23:51 moltenbot jojoa1997_'s link: Would you play on a server like this? (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums
23:51 PilzAdam VanessaE, forum poll?
23:51 VanessaE PilzAdam: none needed - I already got opinions from the detractors of the original poll.
23:51 PilzAdam iqualfragile, maybe Im too tired right now, but I think this is not possible
23:51 VanessaE those who I talked to were in agreement with my fix.
23:51 Exio PilzAdam: hehe, ok
23:52 PilzAdam Exio, and please dont open a new pull request like VanessaE does
23:52 VanessaE PilzAdam: from roughly here:  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59129#p59129
23:53 VanessaE PilzAdam: ok ok, we get it.  my git skills are FAIL. :-)
23:53 Exio poor VanessaE :P
23:53 PilzAdam iqualfragile, maybe save the health of the player that disables it and restore it every serverstep
23:53 PilzAdam but this would be *really* hacky
23:54 Zeg9 bye, going to sleep now :)
23:54 PilzAdam VanessaE, Im not very happy with this change
23:54 PilzAdam the map would be inconsistent in its use of mese
23:54 VanessaE PilzAdam: neither am I.  but it solves everyone's problem.
23:54 PilzAdam bye Zeg9
23:54 VanessaE it's either this or everyone continues to bitch about it.
23:54 PilzAdam not everyone
23:55 PilzAdam the majority of people voted for crystals
23:55 PilzAdam and this implies to override the existing world
23:55 Exio night Zeg9
23:55 Zeg9 About that pvp thing, what about immortal armor group thing?
23:56 PilzAdam how does this handle falling damage?
23:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: see that link I posted and also http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4191
23:56 PilzAdam seems to be a great idea
23:56 PilzAdam VanessaE, Jeija's mod solves everyones problems!
23:56 PilzAdam if you dont like crystals just install it
23:57 VanessaE PilzAdam: everyone still complains about needing his mod.
23:57 VanessaE we were wrong in trying to push this through so abruptly.  It should have allowed for a gradual phase-out of the old stuff.
23:57 VanessaE my fix addresses that.
23:57 PilzAdam s/everyone/some people
23:57 jojoa1997_ the crystals mod?
23:57 jojoa1997_ mese crystals
23:58 iqualfragile nah, i like the new mese
23:58 jojoa1997_ i like the new mese also give more functionality
23:58 PilzAdam VanessaE, see?
23:58 VanessaE PilzAdam: and the old stuff is compatible with the new recipes by way of a reversible craft of two old mese to two crystals.
23:59 PilzAdam currently we craft a crystal with a stone
23:59 VanessaE I changed that.
23:59 jojoa1997_ no we craft a stone with crystals
23:59 PilzAdam s/currently/in current git/
23:59 jojoa1997_ oh
23:59 VanessaE 0gb_us pointed out, where does the stone go when you craft old mese?

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